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We also have the Mount Rushmore of Haases.

Very contentious one, if I remember correctly.

I think it's a great Mount Rushmore.

Great Mount Rushmore. We are doing Hot Seat cool throne.
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Today is Wednesday, June 21st. Wait, did we just make it to summer? Yeah, we did.
First official day of summer. If you're hearing maybe a little echo or something, probably not an echo, but it sounds like we're in a cavernous place.
We actually are. We're in the brand new Barstool Bar in Nashville, which opens this weekend.
It's incredible. Everyone should go check it out.
1, 2, 3, South 2nd Ave. So check it out.
That's what we're recording today. We've reached summer.
Is this the longest day? Yeah, it is. Holy shit.
And it was the longest day for part of my take, too. Yeah, we did a bunch of interviews at Tight End U that will be coming out in the next couple of weeks um wait that means that tomorrow's it starts getting shorter oh no oh no and this is also us filibustering because there's no sports going on uh big cat sony michelle re-signed with the rams today how quickly we forget it's sony michelle day also victor wendell held a baseball in his hand yeah did you see that picture i did see the picture it was it was insane it's free he's a freak he's a freak officially a freak he rode the subway to the game which uh questionable decision making on his part John Rocker's pissed yeah well it's a very French move given the smell of the subway he probably fit right in yep and uh he went out through the first pitch better than 50 cent that's what I'll say okay Better than 50 cent low bar not as good as george w bush okay okay um yeah we are in uh we're in that section of the sports calendar yep we're ass deep we're there ass deep in it yeah i do love nashville though nashville is a fun city awesome city uh bachelor part bachelorette parties everywhere you can't help but notice at about like 9 a.m they're lined up taking pictures in front of those giant wings next to our hotel giant wings it's just it's just a bachelorette trap yes uh let's do some let's do a fun new game okay okay it's called i just read the top stories on espn and you guys sound off all right sound off in the comments okay so anyone who.
So anyone who's like, why don't you talk about this? Guess what? We're going to talk about it. Sources.
Kuzma declines option. Hits free agency.
That's Kyle Kuzma. Good.
Rebuild. Rebuild.
Full effect. Yeah.
The Zards. Zards are down bad right now.
Chris Paul found out that he was getting traded to the Zards on his flight to New York from his son. Didn't seem so happy about it.
Yeah. Also, Isaiah Thomas is the shadow GM.
That's what he's been alluding to, which it's insane that Isaiah Thomas is going to be controlling another team. Yeah.
I mean, honestly, would you play for the Wizards if it was $5 million a year? Yes. I would not.
To be in the NBA? I would not. Yeah you would it's in in five years five years time i would love to play for the wizards but right now i'm declining i would i would like to i'd play for the wizards for five million dollars i would rather take the buyout call me stupid yeah i already said that i would play for the suns for one dollar because they need they need cheap rosters yeah a million one million oh billy okay yeah one million i think i could get a couple boards yeah i think so too probably your own shots yeah yeah um okay nfl to reinforce this gambling policy to players no fantasy leagues uh that are over 250 cash prize but you can still play you can play for free you can draft yourself onto the team that's what we do love of the game yeah we don't money doesn't have to enter the equation yeah um love fantasy wrong so i know big cat i i hate to correct you i think that the nfl redoubled its gambling messaging okay so redoubling i don't know what the difference between reiterating and redoubling it is yeah i'll match also our good friend mike florio uh had a little fan fiction that you'd like hank he he wrote an article about the east west shrine game moving out of vegas because of the gambling but it actually was moving out of vegas because the super bowl is there this year okay so um doesn't matter don't let don't let facts get in the way of a good story okay um how about this one rom john rom that is is not wasting time on what ifs of Alliance.
Okay. I'm not going to click.
So we don't know what this is. It's about the live.
That's about Saudi. Yeah.
The Saudi money. Yeah.
Not wasting time thinking about it. Honestly, if I were him, I probably wouldn't either.
I wouldn't want to think about how much money I turned down. Yes.
Yes. Kings first to hire two women to lead G League team.
Two. If you have two, you don't have one.
The Kings? Yeah, the Kings. The Queens.
The Queens have hired two women to lead G League team. Yeah.
Good. Good.
Good. Good.
I'm glad. I'm in favor of it.
Progress. I'm in favor of it.
As Yanks flounder, Cashman cites belief in roster. That's a shame.
He's a dodo brain. So Cashman is saying, I made good decisions.
Okay, so if Brian Cashman's name wasn't Brian Cashman, he would have been fired already, right? Brian Cashman's a powerful name. Doesn't he always climb a building in Connecticut too? Yeah, he went through some weird midlife crisis where he got divorced and started climbing buildings like Spider-Man.
Yeah, as one does but he i'm like convinced that like if you're if you're a stein

brenner you hire brian cashman who's like well yeah he's the cash man that's what we do here

yeah but he's but he reiterated his belief that he redouble yeah i mean this is also he should

have come out and said hey remember that time the astros cheated that counts as a world series so

we're really not that bad yeah so the yankees have only won, what, one? This can't be right. One World Series since they started really testing for steroids? Yeah.
That's wild to think about. That is wild to think about.
Gino expects Buker's ready for start of season. That's Paige.
Paige Buckets. Yeah, of course.
Yeah, I know. UConn women.
This is the Sixth headline So it's hot right now In the sports world Conte leaves Chelsea Joins Benzema At Alley We're crushing these They gotta have Thoughts boys They should have you Stremski's home run last night Great home run Walk off home run Into theoff home run into the Cove. You think so? Electric.
Okay. Bentham is overrated.
Yeah, I concur. And then finally, which is perfect, Sonny Michel returns to the Rams.
Of course, there we go. That should be way higher on this list.
He's the eighth on ESPN. We're running it back.
Yeah, let me see. I'm just going to refresh real quick, see if anything popped up.
No. Okay.
Oh, you forgot the big headline. Kellen Moore said that Justin Herbert's size has opened his eyes to some things.
So, Kellen Moore realized that Justin Herbert is big. Yeah.
Really big. This is why we're in our Rushmore season, guys.
Sometimes I look at Max and I go through the same thing. Yeah.
Whoa. He's big.
Big boy. You should probably be able

to tackle anybody

on this podcast.

You know what?

Why don't we do that?

Yeah.

Before we get to

Hot Seat Cool Throne,

why don't we talk about Max?

Hank, in real time,

can you just tweet the video

just in case people

didn't see it?

Yeah.

The slow-mo one

or the regular one?

Let's go with the regular one.

Okay.

And then we will make sure

that we also tweet it out

tomorrow with the show. And the cartoon.
And the cartoon. How many times are we going to tweet it? So Max.
It's all promoting the show, Max. Now that we're all together, where did that chair go? Billy fucking put his laptop on.
Come on, Billy. We really need Billy with his laptop.
It's Billy's notes. There's no way you have anything written down in it.
What's your notes? Read your notes. No, they're all for later.
So it's one animal fact notes there's no way you have anything written down what's your notes read your notes but no they're all they're all for later it's so it's one animal fact it's a drawing of a submarine no no with a with a skull and cross question with a question mark next to it bad time uh max hank stiff-armed you into the earth's yeah like destroyed you yeah no i honestly see any submarines while you're down there i was really thinking about it like in that moment i could have just gone and laid him out but we were having like a friendly day yeah no one was wearing any pads and you know i'm used to hitting rugby i know i'm used to hitting with rugby great sport i'm not used to it i used to hitting with pads on. There was a part of me that was going through that, and I was like, if I really go and try and lay him out, then it's going to be an issue.
He could get really hurt, and then I would look like a massive asshole. So as it was coming on, I was like, you know what? I'll stop my feet, just wrap up, bring him down to the ground.
Very, very simple. He got it.
got it. I whiffed.
I whiffed. I whiffed.
No, it wasn't so much a whiff. And the way that angle looks, it makes it look like a stiff arm.
So like, shout out to Hank. He got great tape out on.
There's no great tape out. There's a different angle coming out then, right? Do you need a 20 second timeout? No, no.
I think I did a great job right there. Yeah, I don't know.
There's still Oklahoma drills tomorrow. I mean, Hank, he put his arm into your chest and then pushed you down.
I wouldn't say that you whiffed. He did not push me down.
He certainly did not push me down. You pushed me down.
Yeah, you got pushed down. You got pushed down.
The faster you admit this, the easier it's going to be for you. It was one rep.
And then also, something else that isn't shown out there right now is that all the drops you had there was an opposite uh rep where i was running and hank was supposed to tackle me and he just bailed out and threw a water he made a business decision his business decision was just throwing a watermelon at me which is which is the right move because hank has been around the content game long enough to know that you don't want to put the bad tape out there. Max, I have a question for you.
Can I ask a question? Yes. Okay.
Do you think there's any, like, limit to the amount of L's you could take? No. Because it really does feel like a bottomless pit of L's.
Like, you – every time I'm like, oh, Max is going to bounce back. You find a new way to get lower, both literally and figuratively, because again, he did put you through the Earth's crust.
I've invented a new, like that shouldn't have been it. That day, I did not wake up that day thinking that there was going to be a viral video of me looking horrible again and and i'm starting to get used to it which is honestly sad like it didn't really affect me that much because it's just i'm just wearing them every day what i love about that rep is that after you hit the ground you can see you're in your body language you know immediately it's going to be a bad visual oh yeah oh yeah i pound the ground it's like you blame the ground for it i i don't know if i blame the ground as much as i just wanted to bury myself into that into that ground i live in the mud right now yeah no it's bad for you it's bad but that the win that i do get the one win that i will get one day will be that much sweeter.
Oh, man. That's sad.
I've been where you're at right now, and it's straight loser talk. Like, someday it's going to be my day.
From your perspective, can you walk us to the rep? Yeah. Like you said, I've been in the content game a long time.
Didn't want to do it. Max is a big, big, big, big guy.
Played football. No matter what word you were going to end that with, I was going to laugh.
Yeah, I didn't know if you were going to go bitch there. He's a D1 athlete.
He's a big fellow. He played football.
I did not play football, even though we were playing rugby. It was my first time.
But I knew I had to do it once. I'm committed to the content.
And in my head, I was like, this is not going to go well. Let's rep max is gonna tackle me try not to get hurt and you know it's just instinct and and i i saw his eyes i realized i crossed him up and then i just i just thought it was a great pass great pass good speed good momentum and once i got my hand kind of on his chest i just i just threw him down i didn't realize how he was just kind of like a marshmallow like i didn't realize how soft he really was and how easy it was.
I couldn't tell you this. When I ended up that drill on my feet on the other side of the pitch, I was stunned.
Couldn't have been happier. And you knew in that moment, you're like, this is great tape.
And then later, me and Max and memes were eating dinner, and PFD sent the video to the group text, but I didn't see it on my phone. max in real time he's like oh my god and i was like what and he tried to not tell me even

though i was on the text message i was like what what what do you what do you what are you commenting

on he's like no no no and then i just pulled out my phone and saw that it's it's bad angle

it's bad angle uh i have decided my uh you know tiktok i i don't really post there much i think

i'm just going to post that video with a different sound And effects every day I think you've already Quit on that For like a month That's good I like that Did you post one today? Still time Yeah We've been busy You were looking at your watch there It's the longest day of the year One time Yeah you can go Okay good Good stuff Try not to trip Yeah Try. Yeah.
Watch out for Hank's fist there. Okay.

All right.

Okay.

I guess that means like Hank could probably, the thing about Hank is he would beat the

fuck out of Max.

I mean, we have only proof.

The only proof we have of their physical confrontation, Hank won easily.

That's a fact.

One thing people don't realize when they're listening or watching part of my take is most

of the episodes, Max is just pacing back and forth behind the cameras,

thinking about what he can say.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oklahoma.

Making sure all the camera angles look good.

I do walk back and forth.

You do want to make sure that all the camera angles look good.

No bad angles.

Well, yeah.

I want to make sure everyone's still in focus.

That's me doing my job.

Right.

I'm saying bad angles. If I'm not going to do my job anymore, I don i don't know i'm saying bad angles is how we get the video that we got oh yeah oh yeah sure that's yep okay good job hank good job good producing oh it is funny because it it also dawned on me that like as soon as Hank can get away from Jake, he becomes an alpha.

Yeah.

It's just the minute he gets back with Jake, it's over for him.

Oh, if Jake was trying to tackle Hank, he'd have a bloody nose, a broken arm.

Looked like he just got run over by a lawnmower.

He just needs to stay so far away from Jake.

Yeah, truly.

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Hot seat,

cool throw on Hank.

My hot seat is Wes Anderson.

Yeah.

The filmmaker.

Great,

great films.

Got a very unique style. Yeah.
No, I'm aware of Wes Anderson. Thank filmmaker great great films got a very unique style yeah no I'm aware of Wes Anderson thank you okay sorry uh I think he's boring does anybody else think he's boring what's one good movie of his bottle rocket and Royal Tenenbaums were great Royal Tenenbaums who the best hotel is good Royal Tenenbaums was a great film it was uh the Zizou one the Yeah, that was okay.
Not too soon to talk about ocean exploration. Yeah, but that was okay.
Yeah. It's all kind of one movie.
But the Royal Tenenbaums was, I think, the people. People are going to get mad at that.
That was the one that was really, really. Bottle Rocket was also great.
I think that was his first one. That was his first one.
I feel like his movies are just designed so that people in the audience look at each other and go, these people are so weird. I will say, yeah, when I did one year film school, and I was like i was like oh wes anderson great filmmaker watch a bunch of his movies like he's so good and then over the years it's like this is all kind of you know also rush the liam oh yeah rushmore was great yeah rushmore give me those there's a liam meets one that was really good too but he has a very distinct style on tiktok there's been a trend of people basically making wes anderson style tiktoks and he came out and was like i refuse to watch them he's like he hates them he well yeah i would understand why yeah basically his his entire life life's work is being minimized to a tiktok no it's like it's they're cool they're they're cool videos it's like uh it's an homage to him and it's you know very filmmaker move to come out and be like, he refuses, he's disgusted at the thought of people even trying to do what he does.

But I'm saying I get that from his perspective,

because he probably takes himself very seriously.

He's a filmmaker, an artist, and then everyone can do it with a phone.

He definitely takes himself very seriously.

That part is legit.

Yeah.

I'd love to see him direct an episode of part of my take.

Ooh.

You should do an intro to the stiff arm, where it's like Max's face, then your face, then a rugby ball, then the stiff arm, Wes Anderson style. That's a good idea.
Have Jason Schwartzman in it for some reason. Yeah.
Bill Murray, yeah. Timothy Shamalot.
Is the new movie good? The new Wes Anderson? Yeah. I don't know.
Okay. I've heard.
I'll watch it. I've heard it's not.
Okay. Yeah, I mean, he's kind of like, he had those few that were awesome, and then it got a little redundant.
Once you've seen one, you've seen them all. Correct.
Cocaine Bear was definitely better. Okay.
And then my cool throne is LSU. Ah, that was mine.
there in the the College World Series. There is a bar that does jello shots and keeps track of how many fans buy the jello shots.
And LSU, what, quadrupled, quintupled, seven-tupled, the next closest? LSU, they broke the all-time record beating Ole Miss a couple years ago. our friend Todd Graves actually went and bought 6,000 Jell-O shots to go past the record.
They still are going, though. They're at 23,302 Jell-O shots.
That's so many Jell-O shots. And second place is what? Like 5,000? Second place is Wake Forest, which is actually a little surprising, although they're really good, so I think that's why they're sticking around.
They're at 6,631. What's Oral at? Oral Roberts, not last, 3,006.
Can you guess who's last? Stanford. Stanford, not last.
Stanford had 747. Virginia, 621, also because they lost in the first two games.
Put the Virgin. Put the Virgin in Virginia.
But, yeah. Speaking of oral, this kind of puts LSU back on the hot seat.
They lost to Wake Forest, and then in the locker room celebration, Wake Forest, they just face-fucked their own team. What do you mean? You got to pull this up.
Okay. It was one of those spur-of-the-moment things where they were just celebrating with each other, and the guy sits on a bench and he just face-fucks his teammates.
So they were doing... Oh, yeah.
Oh, no, yeah. He's face-fucking.
No, no, no. That is exactly what happened.
You're right, Hank. So imagine being an LSU player or fan and being like, we just lost to this.
This is the after part of Harlem Shake. Yeah.
It drops. Suck that dick, bitch.
Yeah. No, that one felt like they had done that before.
Yeah, that's just a face fuck. Also, Wake Forest has these uniforms with insanely tiny font that's very funny.
It looks like. Like those Great Britain World Baseball Classic jer jerseys they're so small it's so small look at how small the demon deacons it's on that it's really really small it's very funny but yeah college baseball world series awesome uh okay pft uh my hot seat is james cameron yes we've alluded to it a couple times the big day for filmmakers the ocean gate Gate company sent their submarine down to explore the Titanic, the wreck of the Titanic, with, I think, five souls on board.
You always say souls if there's a crash. I don't know what the difference is between, like, five people and five souls.
Five souls on board. One hour, 30 minutes into the voyage, they lost contact with the surface.
So the sub was apparently controlled via text messaging from the surface because you can't get gps underneath the water and on board they had like two controls that they could use which they were using a uh like a mad cats playstation 3 controller yep to i guess move the sub around so we don't know where they are they have enough oxygen apparently until thursday well i know where they are if it's still they're dead they're probably dead they are dead uh this is one of those situations that it it's captivated the internet because they keep being

like they have 50 hours of auction they have 40 hours they died they've they i they probably in

like in a weird way i know this is a tragic situation but it's probably better that they

died almost instantly i would imagine they did yeah something bad happened and the sub broke

I'm sorry. Probably in a weird way, I know this is a tragic situation, but it's probably better that they died almost instantly.
I would imagine they did. Something bad happened and the sub broke and they died.
You don't want to be on board a submarine that's the size of a geotracker with four strangers. Right.
And then have to kind of live out the last 40 hours of your life. It is one of those situations too where five people died and Twitter's just going off.
One of them was a billionaire. One of them was.
I did have one tweet that maybe was uncouth in the moment, but it's just buy a sports team. Yeah.
Don't have to go see the Titanic. Buy a sports team.
But still, it is tragic. And it's also like Twitter's just having a field date with it.
Well, CBS did a report, like 60 Minutes did a field report months ago where they basically showed how it wasn't approved. It wasn't really thought through or scientifically backed.
It was just kind of thrown together by some guys that charged $250,000 for a trip. How do you think they came up with that number, $250,000? It probably isn't worth that much, but the market that you're you're going after you might as well go after rich people and if you make something cost a lot of money then rich people want to buy it yeah and smart smart business it's also insane because i was watching a news clip and uh they had like a scientist on he's like more people have been in space than have been that deep yeah which kind of puts into perspective how fucking scary they're at the bottom of the bottom in the ocean we don't know yeah me and me and will were talking about this at lunch and he actually i think he would have survived with his with his plan of it was a lot different if you were on that thing no no no no i was just saying like there gets a point if you have like 90 hours of oxygen for four people left and then you're like well you know if you don't have to share the oxygen anymore.
Now you have way more. Yeah.

Oh, Bill, you just would start killing them one by one.

I like imagine what's going on in that if they're still alive.

That's the thing is I don't I think that's why people are so like intently watching it because it's a literal ticking time bomb of like when they run out of oxygen.

But I really do think like they probably died instantly.

The minute they lost communication, the sub probably broke and they died, which again is a better way to die than the alternative of being trapped in that. Yeah.
Counting down these seconds. Once, once somebody has to take a crap for the first time, I'm just holding my breath until I die.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's crazy. I mean, the videos of the inside of that supper, it's fucking tight.
I'm so glad I'm claustrophobic because I would never get in a situation like that. Yeah.
Yeah. Billy would never sink to the Manhattan.
Yeah. No, Billy would never get into a suit and then submerge himself underwater.
No, no, but that's different. That's different.
That's way different. Yeah, totally different.
There was like a swimming. You could swim out of there if you really needed to.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's also just like a good rule of thumb. Like anything Titanic related, just don't do it.
Let it be. Because then it just becomes like, well, we know what the Titanic happened.
Well, listen, I am once again asking them to build Titanic 2. Correct.
The ship that's in the same dimensions as Titanic 1, sailed the exact same route as the first Titanic went, have everybody on board dressed like it's what, 1915, whenever it went down and just replay, just run it back. Yeah.
Don't carry enough life boats on board, sell it to Uber rich people. And I guarantee you that thing would sell out.
I would be on Titanic too. Yeah.
It also, I didn't realize how, like where the Titanic sank. Super close to the United States.
Yeah, I had no idea. I would have swam to shore if I were them.
Yeah, it's like kind of crazy, because like in your head, you're like, oh, they were somewhere way up. But that's just where icebergs were back in the day.
Just don't fuck with the ocean. Yeah.
Yeah, that's actually a really good, just stay away from the ocean. Yeah, in general.
Stay away from more than like 20 feet into the ocean. The beach is fine.
Yeah, beach is good. Everything else, bad.
My cool throne is Zion Williamson. Yes.
Zion has been in the news a lot recently for some of his relationships and sexual prowess, you might say, or lack thereof. His ex-girlfriend, Mariah Mills, got her Twitter account nuked today because she was threatening that she was going to drop a sex tape of Zion because I guess Zion wasn't playing ball with her or whatever.
So she got her account suspended because I guess that would technically be revenge porn if she put out a video, federal crime. She put out a video of Zion Williamson banging her in the bathroom next to all his two liters of soda.
And she showed a picture of her iPhone when she was letting him know, like, I got the goods on you.

She has the most cracked iPhone screen of all time.

As we alluded to on Girls You Don't Want to Fuck With,

someone with an obliterated iPhone screen.

You see a girl with that screen

and she is the worst type of a blast to hang out with.

One night's great, probably, I would imagine.

She's like Vegas, the female equivalent of Vegas. One night would probably be a lot of fun, and then you want to get as far away as possible.
Yeah. She didn't really play her hand well.
She did not. It went from, oh, she's got something to say, to now she's lost all her means to make money, it seems like, because social media probably was pretty important to her.
Yeah. So, yeah.
Shout out Zion. Zion's back i i would like to say just right now uh if the bulls want to trade for zion i'm all in yeah because he does feel like he might be on the trade block and i'm all in yeah he just needs a change i actually think that stress asset that uh new orleans is probably the worst city for him to live in yeah i would get fat new orleans too yeah in a second i did for the for the final four yeah that was i was like a fucking i was like a sausage on a grill i love going ready to be poked i love i'm ready to go back it's the best it's the best um okay uh my hot seat is packers fans trying to get me to somehow admit that i was wrong about the jordan love video a lot of packers fans listen i more out of Packers fans.
You've owned me my entire life, and you're acting kind of sad right now, being like context, context, context. We did get a little bit of context that Jordan Love was just a French Bears fan was asking him to make the video, and so now Packers fans are like, look, he was asked to make the video.
That still is bad. Aaron Rodgers never would have done that.
That was my point. You got to say no.
You got to say no if you're Jordan Love. You got to say no.
Aaron Rodgers, that was my – like as much as I hate Aaron Rodgers, he tortured me. He's fucking owned me, all that stuff.
He respected the rivalry. He never gave an inch.
Jordan Love, you gave an inch. I'm going to take that inch.
Yeah, if you identify yourself as a Bears fan and you ask the Packers quarterback to make a video for you for whatever reason. He was wearing a Bears jersey.
Yeah, you say no to that. You say no.
Yep. You say, I'll say, you know, happy birthday to anyone.
I'll say whatever. Happy Father's Day to your own father.
Whatever you want. I'm not saying it to all Bears fans.
So there's your context. People were like, people were very upset

at me. That's not really much context

whatsoever. That's my point.

It was like a big gotcha moment.

I still think it was stupid.

It makes it maybe a tiny bit

better that he wasn't

made the video himself trying to own Bears

fans, but still, you say no to that video.

Ten times out of ten. Hank, what are your thoughts?

You look like you've got some thoughts on Jordan Love.

No.

Do you agree with me that you just don't do that video absolutely not yeah that's that's respecting the rivalry don't do that video week one is going to be who's your i'm excited for that what's the most important what's in the video for those who didn't watch it uh it's jordan love saying I want to wish a happy Father's Day to all Bears fans.

Oh.

So, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, my cool throne, because both my cool thrones are taken,

I'm going to do it on the fly.

Sonny Michel, he's back in LA.

How about Wyndham Clark?

Because you have now gotten the internet to be like,

hey, he's a bad guy.

Yeah. So you've gone through the whole thing.
Tremendous loser behavior by anyone who does this. Don't care what side politics you're on.
If you see someone have the greatest moment of their life and you immediately are like, let's go through his likes and try to figure out what he liked on Twitter. That's loser energy.
I was shocked to find out that a PGA golfer is a Trump supporter. Named Wyndham.
Yeah, I didn't see that one coming. So, yeah, Wyndham Clark, you were on the cool throne because you've gone through it all now.
As soon as you get your big moment, have the internet shit on you a little bit, or a corner of the internet, it's not the whole internet, you now have come through the other end and you're good yeah the best thing about sports is to not care about politics for however long you're watching sports you just turn that side of your brain completely off right and you just watch the saudi funded golf tournament yep yep um okay uh billy my hot seat is at andrew tate he's officially done so oh no what happened this time no no he He's officially done-zo. Oh, no.
What happened this time?

No, no.

Top G?

He's big-time racketeering charges, arrested.

Again?

Smuggling people.

Yeah, now they got it.

It's going to stick.

Really?

Yeah.

This has got to be devastating for you.

No, it's not.

Do you disavow?

Oh.

It's a collusion.

It's tough.

No, he doesn't know.

No, I don't.

I think Billy still wants to be a top G. If's convicted then we'll see what happens Okay so let all the facts come out Yeah My favorite interstate clip is Do process Romanian law I don't know how corrupt Romania is So not disavow I disavow if he's guilty If he did what he's accused of Okay Okay And then my Beta behavior Other hot seat Never apologize What? Yeah you just Future disavow And that's beta Sure My other hot seat Is Jack Jones I don't know if we talked About this already But he was caught In the airport With two guns Yes But that wasn't the bad part in the duffel bag no the bad part was that he uh tweeted john morant a month ago being like dude what are you doing oh clean it up oh yeah yeah said receipts on him yeah he had two guns in the airport yeah yeah probably grabbed the wrong bag some people have gun bags people are asking is belichick lost the locker room i love i love that debate when it's like um well he's a grown-ass man who's doing whatever he like no old school belichick he used to pack all the players this is nothing for belichick yeah yeah i mean aaron hernandez probably flew with no fewer than five guns at any time i just do love though like when you're back when an n NFL guy gets in trouble this time of year,

it's like, well, how'd the coach not stop him?

Yeah.

This grown-ass man who's living his own life.

Those should have been two playbooks in his backpack.

God damn it.

Pelichick, how can you not get him to stop doing this?

I mean, speaking of TSA violations, our good friend Henry Lockwood went through the airport

with no fewer than what, I'd say, like 12 tools in your bag?

A full toolbox? I went to clean out my apartment when we in new york because i'm not going to be back and i found a box of tools i meant to pack put in my backpack meant to transfer it to my bag that i was checking and then me and pft were going through the security line and it kind of sent in i was like i think i have a giant box of tools with like nails and a ratchet and a wrench uh-huh and was like, oh, I think you might be able to get through with it. And so he basically forced me to ask the TSA agent like, hey, is this okay? And she's like, this is like a 12-foot ratchet.
Like, no. And I had to throw it away.
I forced Hank to do that, by the way. That was my fault.
You did. I was going to throw it away and pretend like it never happened.
And you were like, no, ask him. Yeah.
Somebody pointed out online, like, what if the plane broke down and hank need to fix it and then they got rid of the one guy that could have landed true could have been that guy um all right good hot seat cool thrones oh you have one more uh cole roland on wake forest cool throne uh dude he's the face fucker the face fucky i don't know but he's just tweaking out on the mound and i love that energy He looks like he's really wound up And he's pretty pumped up

Pissed off Face fucker or the face fucky? I don't know, but he's just tweaking out on the mound, and I love that energy. Okay.
He looks like he's really wound up.

Okay.

And he's pretty pumped up, pissed off.

Nice.

So, good for him.

Nice.

All right, so we're going to do Mount Rushmore of Haases

as it currently stands.

PFT and I have two points.

Max and Hank have two points.

Editor's note, Max and Hank have three points.

I repeat, three points.

Billy and Jake have zero points. We should have three, but we took a one point penalty self-imposed yep well not self-imposed it was jake jake and snitch ass yeah yeah that was dirty what jake did that was it was really dirty i would never have like two seconds yeah did not affect the score we still would have won i agree i never snitch.
So then can we take back our self-imposed penalty? No. Oh, okay.
I mean, absolutely not. Okay.
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Okay, Mount Rushmore time.

We've been talking about doing this one for a while now.

It is Mount Rushmore of Haases. Big old Haases.
Not saying horses. Haases.
Haas. You know a Haas when you see one.
Big boys. Big boys.
Max, you're Haas adjacent. You're Haas-ish.
I think that's the nicest thing you've ever said. Yeah, you're Haas-ish.
You look good in that shirt today, Max. There's so many holes in this shirt.
That's a hostage.

You know what?

Having holes in a shirt as a big guy, it's actually not that bad because it's like, oh, he got hungry.

He started gnawing on his shirt.

Yeah, you, Frank the Tank.

It's just, you know, you needed a quick snack on the subway.

Why don't you see if there's maybe some hemp in that shirt?

They're all around my belly.

So that's just the belly popped so bad. Oh, no.
Yeah. Those moths.
Yeah. It looks like maybe you got stung by something.
Yeah. Maybe take your shirt off.
So many holes. Yeah, it's fine.
It's fine. Okay.
All right. So Mount Rushmore of Haas is Hank and Max are up first.
And then we're going second. and then Billy and Jake third.
Let's go, guys. Let's have a good Mount Rushmore.
Yeah. Yeah.
Let's get it. Hank.
Just so behind the scenes, Hank has claimed that Max has dropped the ball and not being a great teammate.

This was before you came in this room?

He said this?

This is news to me.

Sounds like something you guys can figure out 24 hours.

I mean, I sent him a full list of horses yesterday.

Okay.

This is a devious move.

I'm just saying.

Did you not hear him say that? I know, but I don't know if you can cross the barrier like that.

I think Hank said it.

His direct quote was, I have no idea what Max is doing.

Yeah.

I said he's out to lunch.

Yeah, he's out to lunch.

Thank you. Did you not hear him say that? I know, but I don't know if you can cross the barrier like that.
I think Hank said it. His direct quote was, I have no idea what Max is doing.
Yeah. I said he's out to lunch.
Yeah, he's out to lunch. I thought he was out to lunch.
Literally. Okay.
There's a look. I like it.
All right, here we go. Hank and Max, pick one.
We're going to go with Shaq. Okay.
Oh, not a hoss.

Why not?

Not a hoss.

Could be debatable.

Yeah.

Too athletic to be a hoss.

Good pick.

Too athletic to be a hoss.

No, we talked about this. I don't want to be contentious, but I lean towards Billy's reply there.

But he's gotten unathletic.

Yeah, he has.

He's gone hosser.

He literally didn't work out until the season started. That's true.
That is a hoss fucking move. It's not a bad pick.
I just don't know if it's 1-1. He's way too agile.
You know what? Why don't we do 1-1? We'll take our 1-1. Yeah, we'll take our 1-1.
Huge miss on Hank's part. Max didn't contribute, so I'm going to blame that on Hank.
1-1 John Daly. Good hoss.
We We have that on our list. Big Haas.
Haas. Good City.
No, that's a better pick. Rippin' and Rippin'.
Rippin' Sig. Rippin' Driver.
Yes. Spending rain delays in the Hooters tank, getting drunk with John Gruden.
That's a Haas. Dude, I take- Haases love Hooters.
They do. Dude, I'll take your Haas and raise your Haas.
My list is about to be crazy. We take your Haas, we raise your Haas with Jared Lorenzen RIP.
Okay. Haas.
Yes, good pick. We had it on our list.
RIP, personal friend of mine and Hanks. Should we do it right there? So it's kind of fucked up that you took a guy that we personally had a relationship with and died, but that's fine.
No, he would have wanted that.

I don't know. He literally

didn't know you existed. You had the

chance to take him. Yeah.

It's kind of fucked up you didn't take him.

No, that's fine. That's fine.
You had the chance.

We thought it would be a memorial pick. Wait, wait, wait.

Really quickly. I think that.
Yeah.

Okay. Okay.
All right. Oh, they're

pumped. These guys got their swag back.

Super Bowl champion Andy Reid. Okay.
Okay. And it's a cheeseburger after every game.
That's a very good Hoss. Good Hoss.
That's a very good Hoss. Hossom.
I think we should go with number eight, maybe, PFT? Number eight's good. Yeah.
Because we can get two later. Yeah, we can get number two later, and we can get the second one that I sent later.
Eight and nine are both good Haases. But yeah, I'll let you make the call.
Damn, you let me have that. That is a lot of pressure on me.
I'd say go eight. Okay, John Madden.
John Madden is a Haas. Serious hoss.
I mean, the guy loves food. He literally invented Thanksgiving.
Loves football, loves food. Hoss.
He invented video games, too. Yeah.
Too big. He's too much of a hoss to fly.
Mm-hmm. That's a fact.
Getting driven around everywhere on a bus. It's the most hoss food you can have.
It's the hossest thing you can do. You're basically a longed cattle at that point.
Yes. Okay.
Hank is going to go with... Go ahead.
Your pick. Go ahead.
It sounds like you're going to finish my sentence for me. You're going to be like Yao Ming.
Yao Ming is a hoss. Okay.
Good pick. Good pick.
I didn't pick him. Oh, okay.
We're going to go with another guy, unfit to fly, too big for the world, Andre the Giant.

Okay.

Hoss.

Okay.

Yeah.

Absolute Hoss.

Now, is he a Hoss or is he a Giant?

He's a Hoss.

That's his name.

That's his wrestling name.

Billy and I are on the same page.

That's a wrestling name.

This is really weird, but it has to do with hip flexibility.

Also, Giant in today's day and age is kind of offensive.

It's like the M word.

Let's relax.

Which word? What word? The M word. Are you saying M? Use that in the sentence.
M like Nancy? Giant is tall. The M word is short.
You need to specify which letter you're saying right now. M like Nancy.
M as in Max. M as in Max.
Okay, good. It all has to do with hip mobility, in my opinion.
Okay. If your hips are too fluid, you're not a hoss.
Yeah. I agree.
Yeah. Like, hosses are more laid back.
They're lumbering. You guys think that you're just inventing the word hoss.
No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We just know how to use it. No, that's not true.
That's not true. Are you saying we're appropriating the word hoss? No, Haas doesn't have a distinct definition.

It is within the eyes of the beholder.

And with that, I will go with our next pick, Genghis Khan.

No, dude, he was tiny.

Dude, he's tiny, bro.

Billy Cook.

He had big Haas energy.

No, he didn't, dude.

He was tiny.

Haas isn't about the size.

Look up how big Genghis Khan was. It doesn't matter.

No, the Haas is very much about the size.

No.

Yeah.

Oh, a million percent.

Max, is he just...

Well, now you're just going back and forth.

Now you're saying it's not about the size

and it is about the size.

There's a size.

It's a big dude.

It's not a giant.

It could be.

Genghis Khan...

Why can't it be a giant?

The only thing big about Genghis Khan

was his rape statistics.

Oh.

Oh.

Yeah, Hank is like a rapist.

Good job, Hank. Way to go, Hank.
Bill Cosby next. Yeah.
Yeah. Good job, Hank.
Okay. Genghis Khan is a hoss.
I don't know. Genghis Khan is way too proactive to be a hoss.
You guys are having a great... I think we go 11 now, PFT.
What do you think? We've got a lot of good picks on the board. We've got some great picks.
Genghis Khan was 5-5. Everyone knows 11.
Yeah. Bartolo Colon.
Bartolo Colon. Haas.
That's on our list. When he hit that homer, he was so fat.
He could pitch and hit. That was maybe the best sports highlight of all time.
I don't know. I feel like if we're going with...
His body jiggling. Just a Haas energy all the time.
Billy, you're talking about hip mobility. He's got a second family, right time.
You're talking about him. He had a second family.
He's got a little Genghis Khan in him. Great pick.
Consensually. Yeah, consensually.
Okay. I don't see any charges against Genghis.
What do you think? Listen, I'm not going to. It is until proven guilty.
You guys lost this draft. It's okay.
The good news is we have another one next to the next day. This is like, I had this inspiration last night.
Genghis Khan was maybe the worst pick him out Rushmore season. He was 5'5".
And the only reason he looks big is because he was wearing so many fur coats on top of each other. I guarantee if Genghis Khan rolled into your fucking Hoboken Village on a horseback, you'd be like, that guy is a hoss.
No, I'd be like, that's a little man on a horse. Okay.
You guys have your last two. We're first going up with probably one of the hosses hosses.
The boss, Rick Ross. Okay.
Rick Ross. Big hoss.
He literally lost like 120 pounds. Have you seen? He's still like 260 pounds.
He rents his house on Airbnb. He also loves horses, right? Yeah.
That's a Haas move. We dominate this draft.
No, no. We dominate this draft.
Wait for this. We've still got like five first round picks on our board.
Yeah, we'll wait for her to... Easy.
This wasn't our best. You guys call it starting to set in? I still...
I in. I think Genghis Khan is going to slap on the graphic.
I'm almost upset that we only have four picks. Yeah, we could go eight rounds easy on this.
So this is a synonym for Haas. Okay.
That would imply that there's a definition. No.
Do it. Yeah, do the synonym on Billy.
This is what it's about. Yeah.
Billy, go roll. Be creative, Billy.
Take the ball. Jake never lets you cook.
Jake never lets you cook. This is, it won't work out.
Jake's watering you down right now. It's sad that they're thinking about the graphic, not the pics.
Because I think about the pics. No, it's not.
No, it's not. You're pandering.
No, it's about being creative and having a good discussion with your friends. This is the most meta Haas of them all.
Suck. It is big country.
Brian Reeves. All of them.
Big country in general. Like Russia? You sipping for Putin? No, big country.
Texas just there's a big country in general you have to pick big country what like there's a big russia everybody stepping for putin no big country just there's a big country on every team the hoss of the team sometimes there's actually not that many big countries anymore brian big country reads is that your big country yeah big country no you you have to pick a person no big country no it has to be one big country we chose for guys you don't want to fuck with. All right, fine.
We'll just put big country on there. Yeah, just put big country.
And then we'll put a bunch of flags. Russia, U.S., Brazil.
No, no, no, no. Big country.
Everybody will just be like, that's Bryant Reeves. Yeah.
You can put Bryant, big country, Reeves. That is who it is.
Yeah. That is the official big country.
Remember, we gave Kyle Rudolph that nickname. Yes.
Yeah. Haas.
Okay.

PFT.

Let's nail the perfect draft.

Okay.

We got the perfect draft. Let's finish off the perfect draft.

So, Big Cat, number two, number nine, or the guy that you sent me starts with a B.

Yeah.

I like number nine or the guy I sent you starts with a B.

This is tough. It is a B.
This is tough.

It is really tough.

This is tough.

Let's go with the side guys.

All right.

I'm just going to say it.

I'm just going to say it.

All right.

Say it at the same time.

No, no, no, no.

Because you're going to get a great pick out of it if we don't.

They're just going to say another fat guy.

They just think all horses are fat guys. Well, they're also whatever they say.
No, no, no. They've never lost the draft.
Never. Yeah, I disagree with their definition of Hausses.
What does BFC know about Hausses? Nothing. You guys are talking to the guy who was a haunt.
Have you seen any of my friends ever? All my friends are Hausses. Yeah, because they're all Hausses compared to you.
I'm a porker. Your friends just look like me.
Yeah, yeah they all do all the hard factor guys look like a combination of max and big cat yeah no when i met them all i was like he has a type yeah this is fucked i like big hairy guys what can i say zaddies all right no big at you take you okay okay uh three two one zero john crook good pick great pick and max And Max is probably kicking himself. Isn't he short? How tall is he? He's a hoss.
He's a hoss. You just think the definition of hoss is fat.
That is what we've come down to. And I take back what I said earlier.
That was nice when you called me out. So height matters for Andre the Giant.
It matters for Genghis Khan. But it doesn't matter.
I'm just trying to establish. 5 tenths are perfectly average.
He was probably a Haas in your day, but I don't think it's going to play today. It's honestly pathetic that Hank tried to say that John Kruk isn't a Haas.
I'm not. Where did I say that? Right after the pick was made.
Just so we're clear, Billy just said John Kruk is not going to play in his day, but he just picked a player for the Vancouver Grizzlies. Yeah, well, Big Country on the graphic is going to play so fucking hard.
It's Bryant-Reeves. Everybody has a big...
No, but it's Bryant-Big Country-Reeves. Yes.
Yeah. Everyone sees Big Country, they're like, that's a hoss.
Okay. Every Big Country is a hoss.
It is a shame because we could go another four easy. You want to go five? You want to go bonus pick? No.
Yeah, let's go bonus pick. Yeah, let's go bonus pick.
The question is how nuts do we want to get, man? Yeah, let's go bonus pick. I'm going to go.
My clip is still loaded. Okay.
What about Hail Mary right now? Donald Trump. Okay.
That's not a bad pick. Have you seen that tennis picture? Okay.
All right, we're going five rounds rounds Driving a golf cart on the green is a Hoss He's skinny as fuck right now He looks weak right now I think we go number three You said to throw up a Hail Mary If you said throw a screen pass We could get some votes If you said throw a screen pass I would have thrown a screen pass If you said four birds Hail Mary And I threw it up We could get some That name on a graphic He's a H hoss. You guys want to go six? He's got hoss energy.
No, I'm good. We're good.
Really? No. No, let's go six.
If we can empty the clip. Wait, no.
This isn't six. This is four rounds.
It's six. We need to institute a rule of not everybody talking over each other during Mount Rushmore.
We did institute a rule the other day that whatever rules we stick to, we're sticking with. That is true.
Okay. I'm willing to go five rounds, though.
I don't give a fuck. For the record.
Well, it's a vote. It's a democracy.
No, it's not. We said the other day we're going to stick with these rules.
They're all presidents elected by democracy. See, that's why.
This is what I don't get. We say this as I know you guys are going to do this.
Freedom. Freedom.
Freedom. Freedom.
Freedom. Freedom.
Freedom. Freedom.
Freedom. All right.
All those who vote for one extra round of Haas's. Raise your hand.

All those who vote against.

It's three or four. Jake, what the fuck?

Just because they have a deep list.

They don't have a deep list.

They won't want to do it.

This is literally.

No, but we have a deep list, too.

We have guys.

It doesn't matter.

We didn't have top four guys.

Now we got five and sixes.

You are quite literally moving the goalposts.

Let's just play within the field.

So honorable mentions.

And when you're thinking about voting, think about how great the honorable mentions were. Gaslight, lamp on.
Chris Berman, David Wells. Vince Wilfork.
Yeah. CeCe Sabathia.
One that I'm surprised. That's a good pick.
CeCe Sabathia is a good one. Butterbean.
The Royal Hoss. The Royal unit.
Here's one that I was actually surprised. We could have picked it.
Big Al. The kid who hits dingers.
Yeah. I mean, he's a Hoss.
William Howard Taft. We got Hathor Bjornsson, the mountain.
Yeah. Yeah, we said Vince Wilford.
Toby Keith. He's a Hoss.
Yeah. Former Kansas coach Mark Mangino.
Oh, that's a Haas. That's a Haas.
Max is going to get upset. Chris Christie, just in appearance.
Chris Christie, pouring the M&Ms into the Moore M&Ms. Fupa.
Oh, and the baseball pants? That's a Haas. Taft, the president.
John Taffer. John Taffer is a Haas.
Definitely a Haas. John Wayne.
actually we thought about making a team of all Johns and going John Daly, John Madden, John Kruk, John Wayne.

That might have worked.

Could have worked.

Friar John from Robin Hood.

Oh, big John Thompson.

Yeah, that's a hoss.

He's a hoss.

That's a hoss.

Big Magic Johnson.

What did he do?

He got AIDS.

Big Magic Johnson. Babe Ruth.
Babe Ruth. Big Hoss energy.
Big Hoss. I actually think, well, see, this is where I think you guys were wrong with the big country pick because if you did big countries.
Yo, man, by the way, correct. Or country strong, then you would do Adam Dunn.
You would do Jim Tomey. Tony Saragusa.
There's a difference between Country Strong and Haas. Adam Dunn? Yeah, Adam Dunn, Jim Tomey are the same person.
I don't think there is. I think that you're trying to make that distinction.
The thing is, if Haas is like, if all of our groups of Haases battled, we would dominate. Albert Bell was a Haas.
Genghis Khan could not play in this era. Genghis Khan, he couldn't do shit without his crew.
Yeah. It's facts.
They just swarmed. What are you gonna do with Genghis Khan? Try to dick us down? Yeah.
Worked for him. Worked back then.
Oh, did it? How's Mongolia doing these days, Hank? Sounds like you're an apologist. Well...
Yeah, Billy? Never mind. What were you gonna say about the Mongols? They're badass? They're pretty badass.
I do like when they do the throat singing. That's crazy.
Yeah. Well, they now, they're like the best sumo wrestlers in the world.
Boom. Now.
Con effect. Who's that Dodgers pitcher, RYU? How did you pronounce that? Injun Ryu or something? Yeah, he was a Haas.
What's his name? Hideki Arabu? Yeah. He was a Haas.
Pablo Sandoval? Yep. When he broke his belt? Pablo Sandoval was a Haas.
Vogelfatt? James Harden had a Haas. You just think Haoss means fat.
A hoss is like big intimidating presence.

Wide shoulders.

Wide shoulders.

I would say that to be a hoss, you should be overweight.

Disagree.

Your BMI should be out of whack.

No, no. You should be clinically obese.

By BMI.

Oh, well, yeah.

Like the rock is a hoss.

Yeah, yeah.

Everybody in this room is probably obese on the BMI scale.

I definitely am.

I certainly am. Would you please step up? Thank you.
Okay, good draft. We do have to start not.
There was a moment there. I'm sorry.
I apologize for that. I think the rule needs to be if two people are screaming at each other, that's fine.
A third person can't come in over the top. Yeah.
Let the two people scream it out before you start screaming. Hand up, hand up.
No, I disagree. Yeah, I know.
It was definitely directed directly at Max. No, I don't disagree.
That's correct. That's correct.
I'm sorry. How are you feeling, Hank? I feel great.
Great. The graphic will tell.
Cass Con. I can't.
I'm going to throw. That's worse than double olives.
What are you talking about? People are going to think were you throwing this one wait so under the same rules Bonaparte Napoleon yeah dude Hitler yeah no yeah no these are kind of the same guy Mussolini kind of Haas Winston Churchill Haas short guys trying to take over the world Stalin was a Haas Stalin was a Haas he was 5'8 in his era that's like fucking Andre the Giant Stalin was like a little person too He was a big boy. No, no, he wasn't.
hoss. He was 5'8".
In his era, that's like fucking Andre the Giant. Stalin was like a little person, too.
He was a big boy. No, that was all coats.
5'8". No, he's a big boy.
No, they wear a lot of coats. A hoss's mustache.
He had the stache. Teddy Roosevelt.
Mussolini was a hoss, for sure. Teddy Roosevelt was for sure a hoss.
Yes, he was a hoss. Yeah.
Big time hoss. Big stick.
Oh, Ben Franklin, kind of a hoss.

Yeah.

Maybe too horny to be a hoss.

No.

No, that's when he got active.

I think hoss is only fuck on bottom.

Zach Randolph.

That's a good pick.

Good hoss.

That's good hoss.

Great hoss.

Not Kang is calm, but solid.

Z-Bo.

Oh, Kim Jong-un.

Kind of a hoss. A lot of dictators are hosses now that I think about it.
That is kind of true. Uh-huh.
Idi Amin. Kind of a hoss.
Kim Jong-un. El Chapo.
Kind of a hoss. Yeah.
Fidel Castro. Pablo Escobar was a hoss.
Oh, yeah. That's a great one.
Fidel Castro invented the Eurostep. Yeah.
What? That's right. Yeah.
He did. How did I not know this? It's incredible.
He didn't actually. Che Guevara wrote about how Fidel used to do this little sidestep into layups.
Yeah. People wanted to call it travel.
Wow. Yeah.
It changes everything. Yeah.
It really does. It makes communism a lot more powerful.
Well, think about where the Eurostep came from, the Eastern Bloc. I guess he taught them that.
If he had just led with that, being like, yeah, okay, we're communists, but watch this Eurostep. Yeah, I can get two on anybody in the paint.
Jokic is on the same coaching tree as all that. Think about it.
Just being from Serbia? Yeah. Also, Billy thought that Pau Gasol was from France.
He's technically Catalonian, which is in Spain. He's like the most Spanish guy.
He played for the Spanish national team. He's Catalonian.
He literally played for Spain on the Olympics. That is not Spanish.
Well, then why did he play for Spain? The Catalonians would agree with me. Why did he play for Spain? This picture of Fidel like those guys have no idea what they're gonna do they're like is this a track I read about him I was like all right on a murderous dictator this seems like a joke and then I saw the pictures like oh my god he is hitting that shit you call travel on Fidel he's taking's taking your farm.
Yeah, he's got ball low. He's going to bring it high.
Oh, man. Okay.
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Okay. We now welcome on our draft insider, draft guru, and very special friend.
It is Ryan Rosillo. A couple times in two weeks.
Good to see you, Ryan. NBA Draft.
You watch all the tape. We thought you are our guy.
You got to come on and give us some talking points that we can just tell people randomly. Be like, hey, saw this.
Because we watched none of the tape. So thank you.
And let's start at the top. Let's start big picture.
I want to just throw something out there for you. I want you to give me all the players right now that could possibly be traded for the number one pick in the San Antonio Spurs.
If the Spurs would actually pick up the phone, because I was thinking about it today, wouldn't it be smart for the Nuggets to extend their window and trade Jokic for Wembenyama right now? Yeah, and it's a rookie-scale contract, so you'd have some more flexibility moving forward. So you've got to ask the question.
You've got to ask the question. If you've never seen it before, how can you even know how good it can be? The best part is that you frame that with how many players would be traded for him.
I was like, we're going to be here a while. But I think you meant to say it's the other way around.
So, yeah, Jokic you'd hang up. Luka you'd hang up.
Giannis you'd hang up. Embiid you'd trade him.
Tatum probably. Booker.
I don't know what they're doing now, but the list is probably like three guys. That's crazy.
That is crazy, right? Like to have the number one pick be only three guys in the NBA that you'd even consider? Yeah, and even, you know, maybe even Dallas would be like, you want to just see what happens because it kind of goes against it right it goes against my rule right like my rule usually is when it's not this absurd when it's not once in a generation and by the way like anybody who says he's the best like he's better than lebron as a prospect i would completely disagree just because lebron body was NBA-ready. And as much as I like Wenbin Yaman, we can get into what's so special about him, he's going to get hurt.
It would be shocking if he doesn't have somebody roll into his legs at some point. But the thing that I would also point out is that Durant got hurt all the time, and if you could do it all over again, you'd still take him number one, even with all those injuries, because of how good he is.
I have my own working theory that some of these dudes that are so absurdly big, but also have like perimeter skills because on offense, he's like a small forward that I just don't think the human body is supposed to move like a creative player in an NBA video game where you give them like Michael Jordan skills and then make them seven, five. Again, he's not Michael Jordan, but you get the point.
Like, so I'd imagine, they're doing all these preventative things, they're doing all these feet workout, all this kind of stuff that I think is really cool, but there's still a really good chance until he builds himself up into his body, as talented as he is, he's probably going to get hurt and he's still going to take him. So, you know, Jokic is just too good and he's still too young.
Giannis is still too good and too young. And, you know, Luka, you might even have a conversation but back to the original point like normally I'd go wait I don't want to trade a guy who I know has already done it for somebody that I've never seen actually do it but that's how special Victor is so it is an absurd list it's an absurdly short one and it goes against everything we probably ever think about the draft but uh that's how special he is damn so so So tell me about these workouts that he's putting in, the preventative injury stuff.
What is he actually doing to make sure that he doesn't get hurt in his first couple years? You know, they don't – they've zagged a bit on the bulk thing. Like I remember poor Manute Bull back in the day.
They were just like, here are cheeseburgers. Like just go.
Just get fat. Try to put put on his blanket.
I like that. Yeah, back then, I don't know that it was as scientific as the options now.
But it hasn't been about bulking. And the thing is, too, is like he – I mean, did you see the picture of him next to Rudy Gobert? Like, he's also, like, big.
You know, I know he's skinny and everything. But he's got, like, a big frame.
and one of the things that I was reading that I thought was really interesting is like these foot strengthening drills like it's it's about his feet now on top of every other thing that he's doing but he does this workout or excuse me warm-up routine before games where he like really concentrates on getting his feet as stretched out as possible because it's just a lot to ask a pair of feet to run around in a basketball court jump all over the place block everything and have the center of gravity be basically like mutant level it it's it's it's insane to watch and then i also just go back to kenny lofton jr uh bullying him in the post and i'm just gonna stick with. We are Webinyama guys, but there are going to be moments where he looks like a boy playing against men and gets bullied around.
And you just got to live with that, right? Like, I would imagine if he goes up, when he goes up against like a guy like Embiid in his, you know, rookie year, it's going to look bad. And there's going to be moments where it looks bad.
And you're just saying he's that special that eventually it will all correct itself. Yeah, because most of the time, I know Billy always gets upset about his bench numbers.
But when you talk about man strength and when it actually kicks in, he's still got years to go. Everybody knows this.
Depending on how focused you are on all your stuff, you kind of just start to fill out. I mean, some people fill out in different ways than other guys.
So that's not going to be through a workout. That's going to be adding muscle.
That's, it's just going to be part of getting older for him. And so, yeah, like, look, he's better off now though, in this era of basketball than he would have been coming in in the nineties and eighties where guys would have just tried to post them up.
People didn't take threes. And everybody had like two enormous guys with a lot of bulk to them.
So the way he plays, every time you think you kind of have him figure it out, well, I wouldn't even say figure it out. You're like, oh, okay, this is who he is.
This is absurd. This is amazing.
Then he'll do like one thing in a game. You're like, are you kidding me? He had a time where he actually doubled the ball where they have the big stay on the ball screen with the ball handler so two guys stay with the with the point guard basically off a screen it usually is like a guy who's a much better player and you don't care about leaving somebody else open but it also kind of slows the offense down and what happened was like the guy who cut got behind him and it looked like they had him they looked like they had him on a really good roll off the ball screen because he stayed on the ball handler he didn't block the pass he like reached back behind him in a way that you don't ever see anybody do it and he reached back and then he grabbed it and that's just the stupid defensive stuff that he does um that changes everybody like everybody that's going to the rim it's not the blocks it's that you're thinking about him and that he makes up so much ground and that he can also get out and contest.
But the really special stuff, especially in that Scoot Henderson showdown that we saw, which also makes me like Scoot a lot because Scoot was like one of the few guys that was like, I'm going to go at him. He had that mentality and it worked a few times.
It also didn't some other times. But we're talking about somebody who can go between his legs and step back dribble and hit a three.
Like the three-point shooting numbers can be a little bit better. You know, I'm not talking about him being like one of the top three-point shooters in the league, but we've just never seen anything like this.
We've never seen a combination of the defensive impact that should be a lead immediately on top of what are you supposed to do? Like when Garnett hit fadeaway baseline jumpers, we were like, all right, I give up. Like I'm never going to contest this.
Add five inches to it. And that's what Wambiyama's doing.
It sounds like he needs some old man strength, some dad strength even. He should get a girl pregnant.
He should get Zion Williamson's Rolodex, find some of those girls, bring them in, get dad strength right off the bat. Boom, problem solved.
I do likeerson though scoot henderson he seems like he you kind of alluded to it he's got the dog in him i don't know victor has the dog in him or the sham or whatever they call it in france a poodle yeah does victor wimbanyama have a poodle in him or or does he have to work on that no he actually like mixes it up a little bit you know when we grew up and you know every time you'd watch a Euro or an international guy, you'd be like, soft, whatever. This guy stinks.
I remember American guys, if you got into it with Sasha Pavlovich, you had to go extra at him just to prove that you weren't a bitch. I don't know when it changed.
I don't know when it changed, but whenever I watch some of the international guys now, I don't even think about it anymore you know I think the thing is so global they're all so used to it now they've all played you know a bunch of Americans I mean this isn't new this been going on now for a couple decades but I think it took a little while for for any of us to get into the draft to watch guys and be like you know what he's got a little attitude to him I remember it was Prazingis I was like this guy's got a little tood uh at times when he's ready for the draft. And really his biggest issue was being hurt.
But no, Wembenyama every now and then, like, he'll look at the, he'll hit a shot and turn around and look. Like in that G League showcase, and usually the bench is saying some shit to you that gets players, even at the NBA level, to turn around and do something.
But like, he turned around and like stared him down a couple times, like looking at him. He'll, you know, I don't know that he has the dog in him like Scoot does because I I know you guys are going to love my Scoot Chris Paul comp um because you know we're talking about all like first team all dog guys but I'm not worried about like one Banyama going oh my god like I'm in the NBA now like this is freaking me out like if if he fails it's not going to be I highly doubt that he's I don't watch a guy that um you know it's just kind of big and happens to be skilled I think there's I think the fact that he kept playing and granted he was under contract and there's all sorts of debates about my thoughts on that but you know he could have just said screw it like and he could have also he could be charged with a couple felonies and still go number one one.
But I just think that his competitiveness, because a lot of big guys don't always love basketball.

And so far right now, everybody that's talked to him, everybody loves him.

And I think as far as not being a dad, that's probably why his family was cheering for him not going to Houston.

That's true.

By the way, I think the Euro guys switched with Dabo Cephalosha.

I think that was the moment. I think that was when everyone was like, oh, shit, you can't fuck with these guys anymore.
Yeah, I mean, he's one of the toughest guys ever. He was wearing 90 Air Maxes in basketball games.
Those things are like clogs. So, I mean, you want to talk about it? Yeah yeah i might have to do a thesis on this how tabo changed the entire perception of euro plays the nba all right they just got dirtier i think i think they got they they switched they rebranded they went from being soft to just being kind of dirty players sometimes yeah flopping and all that yeah yeah all right give us the dog list give us the dog list first round dog list um.
Rank them one through whatever, however deep you want to go. Maybe rank them like Pitbull through Chihuahua.
Different breeds of dogs. You're better with the breeds than I am, to be honest with you.
I'll help you out. We'll go back and forth.
Cam Whitmore is definitely on that list, maybe number one overall,

the Villanova freshman.

Watching him play is like every time he gets the ball,

he's going left and he beats everybody every single time.

I'm not sure he's going to be able to get to the hoop the way he did in college where just like I guess nobody's ever going to stop him.

And then even if somebody got the angle on him,

he would just bull into him.

There was a Providence game where it was like the second position of the game.

Nobody's even sweating yet.

He went into the post and there was this poor kid who like got him on the block. And I don't even know if it was his assignment.
It may have just been a switch, you know, just kind of like getting cross matched. And Whitmore went hit him so strong.
Like I thought this kid was going to go into the transfer portal immediately. Like he, the kid was like overwhelmed because it was like, holy shit, this guy's at like level 11 energy this early into the game.
So Whitmore is definitely on there. Didn't make the NIT.
Just going to throw that out there. No, no doubt.
Okay, keep going. What would be a dog that's really tenacious but single-minded? What was the shitty border collie maybe? Yeah, or like like a cattle dog like one of those cattle dogs it's like like basically born to do one thing and they do it exceptionally well but like they're not gonna do other stuff i would say a red healer yeah yeah okay all right that's good um my other my other guy i'm going with is...
We're all learning stuff here.

Right.

James Najee.

Look, if he doesn't last in the league, Najee is going to work here anymore, office space.

But I...

That's good.

He's so bad.

I'm not going to tell you he's the best basketball player you've ever seen okay because he's not that uh he's probably a late first round guy his wingspan however is seven seven and the way like as soon as he checks in the game you're not like oh we gotta guard him but it would be kind of like shit he's in like this is just gonna be hard everything everything is going to be harder now because he attacks the glass like even when he doesn't have a chance it's like an annoying guy in pickup where you're like you were boxed out from 15 feet away like what are you doing are you going to do this the whole game like this is going to suck and granted he's getting paid it's a little different than pickup hoops but he's um he's not skilled he's not he's very raw but as soon as he checks in the game things are just different and it's because of his energy his size his strength and i think he actually has a chance to make a roster here okay he looks like a tight end who's playing basketball like he's so built it's crazy you don't see basketball players i feel like built like that anymore with like actual i meannis has gotten to that point, but a lot of guys aren't built that same way. They're built in different ways and for quick movements and not – he looks like he'll fuck some people up.
Dude, I'm telling you, when he checks into the game, you just go – because sometimes you're watching the other guys. If you're going through games and then I can sort it through clips on Synergy.
And so sometimes I'll just go clips on guys. And then you're like, oh, I'm not even watching Najee.
And then it's just like you can't stop watching him because he just kicks everybody's ass the whole time. Another guy.
This isn't. I would say real quick for him.
I would say that he's he's Major Biden. It was not the shitty Biden dog that just bit just bit everybody yeah and like everyone was afraid to be around him major biden that's him okay i'm gonna need help on the uh the breed for this one because and big cat can probably when i watched ohio state when i went back and watched it all it was like they had an intramural football team they were like hey do you guys also want to play basketball and so they had all these like thick stout dudes and bryce sensiball who apparently is going late teens uh he's not my favorite player he averaged 12 and a half shots per game in only 24 minutes which is actually kind of hard to do i don't know that he defends but he he would watch you he'd be a dog that would watch you eat and never and your friends would come over and be like hey anything you can do here and you'd be like no like this is what he does he's gonna eat no matter what he's waiting it out be like does he do it can he do something else can he defend the house nope not interested he's gonna let strangers walk right past but when it's meal time he's gonna get his and there's nothing you can it.
And if you leave your plate, it's going to be gone. So I don't know if that makes any sense.
I didn't expect to get this deep into the dog breed. Husky.
That's a husky for sure. Yeah, that's a husky for sure.
And if you leave the plate out, he will literally eat himself until he dies. Yeah.
And watching Ohio State this entire year, and Titus can attest to this, you'd watch them and they would show flashes where you're like, this team is like a top 10 talent-wise team. And then they would just stop playing basketball for long stretches.
And it was like shocking to watch. We were like, what just happened? They would lose leads.
They wouldn't score. Like they would just do dumb things, turnovers.
A lot of young guys and i do like price sensible he's he he can he can you know what they they call this one ryan he can fill it up you can take that with you to uh when you do your draft coverage he can fill it up yeah um that's uh that's one i definitely hope to use that's fine i'm writing it writing it down. Fill it up.
Yeah. Fill it up.
He can fill it up. Use that once, and then they're like, what do you mean he can fill it up? And then you say, he can score the basketball.
Yeah. Score the basketball sucks.
He gets buckets. Whoever invented that.
No, that's worse than guys. Apparently, dudes in men's leagues now are tapping after missed free throws.
Like, no one should be high-fiving anybody. We need these games to go quicker.
Whoever started that, and then everybody thinks that you're supposed to do it. Then I remember years ago, the Wall Street Journal had some study about how teams that touched each other more were more successful.
And you're like, yeah, because they're good and they have more things to celebrate. The Wizards can't go to next year being like, just keep touching each other all the time, and we'll win 40 games.

I will say, though, I agree with you that, like,

an intramural game to do that,

but when you're playing in a pickup game,

like, you can't do it often, but, like, maybe once a month,

call a good old-fashioned timeout

when you're about to go out of bounds,

when there's no timeouts.

That will get some good laughs.

That will get some good laughs from the crew when you're just, like, falling out you call a timeout it's like we're playing pickup what the fuck are you talking about a guy got a pretty good elbow on me like and then like put my arm behind my my back when i was trying to like get to the hoop and i was pissed and like now all of a sudden the intensity went up and i was like i'm just gonna get this guy in the post through him. I don't care.
And I don't know what he was doing. He read it perfectly and then took the first bump, and then the second one he just pulled the chair from me and backed up, and I fell on the asphalt and just yard sailed.
And I was so pissed, and he went to help me up, and I was like, fuck off. And then he's like, what? I was like, no, no, no.
What you did was awesome. It worked.
I'm just super pissed. I ate it and fell down on the ground.
ground and he's like that doesn't make a lot of sense i was like it does to me the old way yeah yeah like i'm congratulating you on a tactically beautiful play but i'm also really pissed you did it so yeah uh the inverse to big cats suggestion would be like in the nba if there was a tie ball, and then somebody just goes first. That would get a good laugh, I would think.
I like saying shirts and skins like right away. Just like half pull up and go, hey, we're skins.
You say it as a total joke, I bet, right? Yeah, that shit gives me like heart palpitations where I'm like, oh, fuck. We'll be skins.

Let's just go light shirts, dark shirts.

Let's just do that.

When no one's running shirts and skins and then you get on and half pull your shirt up and scream, we'll be skins. And you don't know the other four guys.

Usually, it's not a laugh as much as it's like, what?

Are you fucking?

I'm the guy who's in the corner being like, wait, no, no.

I'm wearing white.

He's got light blue. So we'll be on the same team and just trying to like parse it all together with like, he's got a little bit of a gray shirt.
You'd be on our team. Yeah.
All right. So what about reverse Ryan? The guys who need some dog, the guys who are going to be first round picks and they're good at basketball, but you'd like to see a little more grit, a little more something to them.
Okay. I'm going to go with two big guys off the jump here.
Derek Lively, the freshman from Duke. This is a really weird draft in that.
And I think this number is right. I've shared it a few times before, but since Anthony Davis was the number one player in high school in his class, and then he went number one, every player that's been number one, as far as the rankings are concerned at a high school, and I know there's some variation on those.
five of those 11 picks have gone number one player in high school in his class and then he went number one every player that's been number one as far as the rankings are concerned out of high school and I know there's some variation on those five of those 11 picks have gone number one and the lowest we've had a number one player in his class go uh and again the ratings can fluctuate at times was Emmanuel Moutier who went seventh you have actually four different players that at one point were number one in the high school class in this draft uh and it's four if you include gg jackson who reclassified who's obviously not i don't think he's going to go in the lottery so you've got lively you've got whitehead also at duke and you've got nick smith at arkansas who are all number one on rivals uh 24 7 and espn and none of them are even going to go on the lottery i don't know how lively ended up i don't follow the high school stuff until after the fact. I'll just look to see where they were ranked.
So I didn't watch it, but I went back because I thought Lively at Duke, yes, defensively impactful. Yes, really good on the, on the rim runs and slipping the screen and knowing how to do that and being a really great lob threat because he's huge.
But there were other times where he got the ball. And if it wasn't off of something like that, he that he looked lost like lost and I still think he's going to go in the lottery so I know there's video of him hitting threes at workouts I mean we've seen some of that stuff before I think Mo Bamba like set a Larry Bird type record in some workout where he couldn't miss a shot and again cool but with Lively I just need to see him be a little bit more comfortable with the basketball and i felt like at duke if it wasn't a lob he was pretty unsure of what he wanted to do uh the other guy i think i'm gonna go clowny yeah go ahead i was just gonna say we had a theory that at ohio state when they run their 40 yard dash in football when they time it at pro day that their yard lines are slightly closer together than a yard so so their 40 times are all blazing fast do you think that a team could get away with it like a college team or um or i guess if they were doing like a workout with their agent or somewhere overseas if it was a european guy and they're they're working out in a gym and the rim is like two inches bigger like a slightly larger rim during this workout so they're filling it up they're scoring basketball in the workout do you think that the scouts would actually notice hey something's up here the new york city rims that mellow plays at that one court that all the guys play at i swear to god those rims are bigger just make them just like two inches big.
Yeah. This is genius.

I don't know that I've ever heard of anybody doing it,

but why wouldn't one of the testing facilities that's like not a school,

but where they do some of the joint workouts,

like right after the combine out in California,

there's all these different places that have these workouts.

So all the teams fly out here and go up and down the coast.

That's smart.

You should do it.

I don't know how anyone would ever notice it.

I'm sure somebody hasn't. Yeah.
Yeah, because soft rims you'd notice, but like slightly larger. Yeah.
Unless they get up there with their iPhone and measure side to side. Nobody's doing that.
They'd be like, get out of here. I swear to God.
You know what, Jim, I'm talking about, Ryan? Thehattan that mellow is always playing at that's like it's all the pros play whenever they come to new york city yeah that that has bigger rims i guarantee you it we're gonna have to investigate we're gonna boot i mean this is a this is a million dollar idea here just start a company that makes bigger rims and you just sell it to like one agent or one one workout guru guy and then boom you're swimming in money i don't hate it i don't hate it you probably should edit this out because you should pitch it big rims yeah max you know seriously like it could be a business but with a z could be well no call it i like. That's good.
Now what we do is we go and we bust.

They also spin.

We bust the people who are doing this.

Because now that we've put it out there, it's like a test to see who's immoral.

And we'll go find them.

So some team should hire us to go test the rims.

We're the rim doctors.

Yeah.

Maybe you could bring back Dada's, too.

Remember those?

The spinners on the shoes? Yeah. Remember the East Bay catalog will come and be like should i get yellow and red dada's i'm like i'm not sure oh east bay was the best east bay was the best i used to go right i bought the jump shoes i think in my late 20s didn't work yeah who would ever do that nobody would do that not me not me i i have a question unless there's another guy that you say needs to get a bigger dog in him.
But I have a question about one prospect in particular who has a dog in him. Okay.
Marquise Noel, Kansas State. Is he going to be drafted or is he going to be very lonely on draft night? Because he confirmed has a dog in him.
It's just a very small, angry, aggressive dog. It's pretty small.
It's a pretty small dog. I don't even know.
It sucked, too, because they used to do the measurements in shoes. And so now I've got to recalibrate all this stuff.
Because we'd be at the combine, right? And for whatever reason, the NBA measurement was always, whatever you saw at the beginning of their career, it'd be like, hey, they have shoes on, right? right so they just stopped doing that so now everybody's just going to be across the board like an inch and a half shorter than everybody else and uh yeah he wasn't even on the list so uh he might be up for adoption oh you know what like they could have they could have a whole campaign around it and be like, he was a rescue. Who's safe to?

Yeah.

Favorite guy that no one's talking about.

Your guy that you're going to put your reputation on

and be like, this is my pick.

Well, I can't pick anybody up top then.

You can.

You know what?

I'm going to give you two. Olivier Max is Prosper, the kid from Montreal who played at Marquette.
I like him, and I also like the kid from Pepperdine, Maxwell Lewis, who's probably like late first, early second. So Lewis, to me, is like if he were in a major major program i don't think there's even a question just based on his skill set and his size and i think how much better he's going to get also he's like a really weird high school story where like you know he they didn't have basketball his freshman year like who goes to who's like potentially going to play in the nba it's like oh too bad no basketball in town it's like footloose or something you know not a lot of dance so then he had to play like j NBA.
It's like, oh, too bad. No basketball in town.
It's like footloose or something, you know, not a lot of dance. So then he had to play like JV and then he transferred around.
It was, it's just, I'm not even sure after I read it, I was like, what is this? So when I watched him more and more, I'm like, man, this guy like full, full on NBA body, NBA athleticism, the shot making, the dribbling, the attacking, all of it. I was like was like man I think he's better than where he slotted and then I think with with Prosper he's just so intense that I I have a hard time believing like that kind of guy you know like whenever I look at somebody I'm like okay the worst version of him is what and then with with him, I'm like, well, plays defense, makes enough threes, active roster guy.
The best version is, holy shit, you actually got somebody who's getting a second and third contract here, which is not as common as people make it out to be. Half the top 10 picks end up on another team or two or three years.
Part of it's the value as a former top 10 pick for the next mad guy that wants to be traded somewhere. But you go through it, and I'll do it again this year before the draft, you'd be shocked how often even the top picks don't even get to the second contract with the original team that drafted him.
So then you factor in after 15, 16, 17 historically, you're lucky to even get a rotation guy. In draft night, it always feels like, oh, hey, this guy's going to do this, and he's going to do that, he's going to do this.
And we're like, yeah, man, actually a lot of these guys these guys would be in turkey so uh whenever i'm looking at the 20s when i think of okay there's certain players that are better um you know the kid from xavier colby jones is just a better basketball player ben shepherd from belmont's a better basketball player than some of the other guys but physically i think lewis and prosper uh stand out in that group for me okay what about miller Miller? What about Brandon Miller? Is any team out there, like he might go second, right? Might go third. I would personally take Scoot second.
But is there any concern from NBA teams, given what happened at Alabama this year? Is there any concern at all taking a guy that was associated with a shootout? I think there's concern up until they watch the tape, to be realistic about it. I haven't heard a team say, anybody that's like, we wouldn't take them.
Where are you picking, 28? Don't worry about it. I just haven't heard anybody say, because not that many teams are even in the mix.
And I think there's even teams that would be willing to trade up depending on how the scoop Miller thing plays out there so not to be dismissive of what happened his involvement of it um at all but I think we all know with sports especially with this thing kind of like it felt like it kind of went away a little bit too. It doesn't have draft night, okay, fine.

There'll be a story.

There'll be a local paper that says that they shouldn't have done this.

And then once he gets out there, it's hard because I'm with you.

I like Scoop better, but when you watch Brandon Miller go off,

you're like, wait, I like somebody better than this dude?

You just feel like you're going to be wrong

because his shot making at that size and what you think he'd be able to do defensively. And it's not just the shots, but he's, you know, he's exactly what you want today's NBA, this massive wing who can shoot the hell out of the ball.
Okay. A couple of last questions.
This one, you could do both. So it kind of sucks to ask, but what is the one prospect that you've through your

years of watching basketball so this is before even you were maybe even saying it on on radio

or podcast that you loved and sucked ended up sucking can't even say it's injury he just

sucked and then you give us the reverse the one guy that you've you've been like touting and you

were dead on and no one else saw okay i love this i'm gonna i should always have i always thought

I'll be real quick. I always thought Shaq was just big.
Yeah, that's a tough one. He's not cut out to play in the NBA.
I was just like, he's just big. It's not like he's not skilled.
He's just bigger than everyone. That was wrong.
Well, he was also. I mean, I have a couple international ones way back in the day, like Mohamed Sersene.
And then there was another kid named Sergei Monja, who I fucking loved. And then it was like, what happened to him? Last year, my late guy was Gabriel Prachida.
And he was in Berlin this year, missing everything, apparently. And I was like, man, the Pistons know what they're doing.
I was like, I'm so smart. I'm so smart.
So I had a weird weakness for some of the international guys. I'm going to blame Chad Ford.
But this is like decades ago. Let's see.
No, I liked Wendell. Look, I have misses like everybody.
Craig Brackens was somebody I really liked I think I like Marcus Fizer but I didn't realize he was like 100 years old with really bad knees so I'm gonna give myself an out on that one who else did I like I don't know that I liked Jarrett Culver all that much I don't know I feel like I'm not giving you enough here because I definitely have plenty of misses. I like DeJuan Blair.
I thought that he was going to be the truth. Yeah, but dude, honestly, for a guy with no ACLs, the guy with no ACLs in both knees, that was, he was actually pretty good, I thought.
Yeah. Oh, you know what, Derek? I just don't think that his knees could handle his ass.
I'm shocked Derek Williams, the number two pick behind Kyrie, was that bad. Like, he was, he played for a bunch of teams, and it was weird, too.
Like, I think, I'll see if I pull it up here. His college stats, I think he shot some absurd number.
I'm looking this up. Because I remember we used to do those chats on ESPN where it was on ESPN.com.
And they were like, what do you think of Derrick Williams? And I was like, well, you know, he's awesome. Remember him at Arizona? And he shot 57% on threes his second season at Arizona.
He only took two, but 57% on threes. So I was like, well, he's not going to shoot 57% on threes the rest of his life.
And then a guy was clearly an Arizona fan. He was like, well, why don't you think he will? I'm like, well, I don't know.
Do I need to explain that to you? So that was a whiff because he was gone immediately.

I liked Jan Vesely's athleticism.

The NBA did not.

He lasted three years.

I hate to say this about our guy Jimmer, but I was like, I just don't see how an NBA team is going to let him take all these shots,

even though they went in.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

I feel like I'm not giving you enough misses.

And then who have you been right about?

I was so, well, let me see who else uh because we were right about you guys are always you were on that early like his third or fourth year in the league you guys are like this guy's gonna be awesome no before that no it was I thought when I saw when I saw I thought Luke Babbitt. Yeah.
Sorry. Go ahead.
No, yeah.

We know the media got it right. Like we said he was the next chosen one.
We were all right about that. He lived up to our expectations that we set for him.
He didn't do anything special. If you actually go expectations wise, he has to win two more titles and then and then he will fulfill the prophecy prophecy but until he does that kind of a bust.
I was kind of surprised Gravis Vasquez lasted as long as he did. Alright.
The hits. When I was a little kid and Tate George hit the game winner against Clemson and then he went in the first round I was like dad what are the idiots? So that was Tate George.
I had that one right. Nice.
I shared this one with woge but before i was even in the media and i would sit at home with legal pads this is so embarrassing i'm not going to admit this part then never mind um i gotta say you would sit at home with legal pads and you would just write write down guys names and be like i love this guy this was like before red before Reddit even existed, right? This is how long ago this was. This is over 20 years ago.
I wanted a team to make a trade. I wanted them to trade picks for this other veteran player.
And so I was like, how come no one's talking about this? So I called the team. I think I was like 23.
And I was like, hey. I was like, are you guys hearing anything about this? And they put me on with like the lowest level person in PR.
like seriously the team answer was like hey I was like are you guys hearing anything about this and they put me on with like the lowest level person in PR like seriously the team answer was like hold on it was almost as bad as PFT getting into Jason Kidd which is poor that poor lady I hope she still has a job there with the Bucks I still can't believe that happened so anyway no that was actually Deli no but that's you know you called saying you were delavidova to get to jason kidd and jason kidd ended up being on the air and it was funny too because guys were like oh riscilla what are you going to start being immature because you're having the barstool guys on i'm like i don't care what you call us that's legitimately funny like anybody pulling that off you got through to jason kidd he just calls he's like Yeah, there's coach there. They're like, hold on.
Yeah, so I called the team.

I'm not going to say the team or who the player was. And I was like, hey, have you heard anything about this trade? And some woman got on the phone and she's like, the team is aware that that is something going on, but we have no official comment on this time.
And I'd be like, all right. And I'd turn Madden back on.
And I was like, what did you think you were just being sawed there? I thought that you were like a legitimate member of the media asking for a quote on it, but you were just a guy with an idea. Yeah, I was just a guy with an idea.
All right, that was it. What'd you do today? I tried to plant the seeds of this guy moving.
What'd you do today? That's incredible. You know, it's like a mock Twitter account with the fake woges and the fake everybody's and all these guys.
Like I, I used to have a legal pad out and I would keep notes on different stuff I was seeing and I didn't even work. I was bartending.
I mean, that's, that's fucking insane behavior. I shouldn't even have admitted that.
Yeah. So that's actually better, Ryan, because that's better because people are like, oh, he's a loser.
He sits at home all day and watches all these games like, no, you've always been a loser. Yeah, right.
I was cool, actually, when I was doing that. Way better.
Yeah, that's way weirder than that. Yeah, Richard Jefferson was another.
When Richard Jefferson went as late as he did, I'm like, do these people not see what I just saw and I was I was like okay I'm gonna have to be a GM these guys suck at it and then once I learned how they did it I was like actually this job's really really hard and there's no way to improve with cap space really most of the teams have to waste their cap space and then draft picks are a total coin toss if a guy you draft ends up just not liking basketball you're fucked your owners get pissed you get fired every three years um and then if you have a really good player but it's not a cool city you're going to lose him too so the job uh as i learn more about it i respect the job a lot more than i used to when i was just a dude who was cheering on teams so if you put on your if you put on your gm hat right now and you're the spurs do you already start to build around women y? How do you do that? Do you wait until he gets a year in the league and you see exactly how he translates to on the court? And then you're like, okay, now I have an idea of who we should pick up, who we should put around him. Or do you do that like right now? I think you just start the process with it.
And not to rip off the Sixers term there, but I think it's gotten used so much. It doesn't even apply to them necessarily.
I think he's going to be pretty good defensively immediately. I'd be shocked if he wasn't making a defensive impact.
They're not a good team, but they're a great organization, and it's actually a great spot for him because I think they're going to take it serious and do it the right way. I'd imagine if they have access to anybody that's good, it's going to cost them more because if it's a vet who's good, it's's like i don't know that i want to go there right now um i'd imagine they're going to do shorter contracts and next year's draft is like early people are talking about it like last year they were saying how bad historically bad 24 was going to be you know things can change in momentum but when you start going through it you're like whoa uh so i don't think it's worth like tanking or being bad again on purpose.
I mean, the weird thing is, is all the teams that are generally bad have been stockpiling so much talent the last couple years that there's no clear team of like, okay, they're definitely going to suck. So San Antonio could still have one of the three or four worst records because Orlando feels like they're building something.
Houston's trying to figure it out. Detroit's getting this awesome backcourt back once Cade comes back.
OKC wasn't even supposed to be good this year and they were competitive. Marketing has taken such a jump with Kessler.
So like, you know, a lot of years we had all these teams like those six teams are going to be dreadful. And it was happening this year where you saw those teams that normally are not going to have great records.
You're like, you know what? They're actually pretty talented because they've been bad for so long. They finally hit on some of these picks.
So San Antonio could still be in the mix for what's not a great lottery. I just think everything they do, they're not going to have access to like a franchise changing player to pair with Wembenyama this early.
They're just not because that guy's not going to demand to be traded to San Antonio. I don't know that that's ever happened, even when they were good, unless it was a guy at the end of his thing who wanted to kind of show up and try to get a ring.
So they're not positioned for that. I think everything they do has to be short-term for the right guys around them, knowing they're going to reinvent this thing a couple times around Wimbanyama.
Okay. I like it.
All right. I got one last question.
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Last question.

Are you a Wizards fan now?

No.

He's going to be bought out or traded.

How do you know that?

Oh, come on.

Let PFT have a moment.

Listen, we're building something here in the district, Ryan.

Everyone says the Wizards don't have a plan. Why would they give Bradley Beal Supermax contract and a no-tri-tri-tri-tri-tri-tri-tri-tri-tri-tri-tri getting Chris Paul.
We're building the big three, big four even if you count Kuzma, Porzingis. Kispert.
You got Kispert and Chris Paul. Johnny Davis.
And Johnny Davis coming into his own. I know way too many Wizards.
I was wrong about Johnny Davis. Johnny Davis is barely played.
I told John Thompson III, I ran into him at a rugby game about a year ago. And I was drunk.
And I was like, I got two words for you. Johnny Davis.
Draft Johnny Davis. He's like, why do you like Johnny Davis? I was like, the kid can fill it up.
He's a scorer. Score the basketball.
And then he took Johnny Davis, and then I watched him, and I was like, I may have given John Thompson bad advice on that one. Sorry.
He needs some time. He needs some time.
He should have come back.

That was his junior year.

It's better for Ovechkin if they buy him out because Chris Paul can't own the city this quickly.

That's true.

That's true.

That's a good point.

Now, where would you in your wildest dreams, Ron,

your deepest, I was going to say darkest fantasies,

but most erotic fantasies,

where would you like to see Chris Paul play next year?

Phoenix. erotic fantasies where would you like to see Chris Paul play next year uh Phoenix um I'd actually like to see him I got one for you I think you know I'm not like the biggest homer on all this stuff but I I would love to see him in Boston because I think it makes sense he would be he would be good he would be good they need it they need point guard.
I got one for you. What about Milwaukee? And they trade Drew for a new younger piece.
I don't think they need to do that. They don't want to trade Drew.
And Drew's better defensively than Chris at this stage. And look, Chris Paul wasn't good this year.
He wasn't good this year. So I don know, I don't think you need to be trading like a major asset for him.

I think it's just a smaller asset or you wait on the buyout market because there's a really good chance, too,

the Wizards might do him a solid here and save $15 million.

Okay, so not a Wizards fan.

Yeah.

Even though he is on the Wizards right now.

I ordered a jersey.

Don't get me wrong.

But I got to have every one. If I'm going wrong, but that just, I gotta have every one.
You know? If I'm gonna do it right, I gotta have every one. So.
Yeah. Like Coach Cal's basement, Ryan's kitchen just has every Chris Paul jersey hanging behind.
Look what I do. Like a decorator came by.
Yeah, she's a friend. You know, Carissa, she's a decorator and she came by and she was like, why do you have all the Chris Paul jerseys hanging over the balcony windows? And I was like, well, there are two jerseys in each one so the people outside can see it too.
And then I flip them. Yeah.
When Chris Paul decides his new team, Ryan's like the Vatican City. There's the white pillowed smoke coming out of his house.
It's like we've made a decision. Yeah.
A flame coming out with just, he ignites C4 energy powder and it comes out of his chimney. We made our decision.
All right. Well, Ryan, thank you.
We said we're going to need you for 25 minutes. This only took 40.
That's pretty good for us. No, I know.
It's mostly on me anyway. I feel like that's pretty good for us no i know it's part it's mostly like that's really good i was thinking about it just be quick with every answer yeah and i was like don't do that uh all right thanks guys you're the best thank you very much thank you enjoy the draft i will ryan rossil is brought to you by our friends at ourselves the barststool Sports Store.
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Let's wrap up. We got FAQs.
Henry? Yes. Wait, I actually got an faq on uh twitter that i'd like to read real quick i have one too hey guys my wife just asked me what the best stiff arm to ever exist is any suggestions i literally just got this tweet shout out brian probably marshall lynch right there okay yeah he tweeted at you as well.
Okay. What's up, guys? Just curious on what your ultimate goal is for each of you.
Like, are you going to do this podcast forever? Is Big Hat going to have a big boy job like VP or something? No. Is PT going to have that kid and live happily ever after? What the fuck are Hank's goals? Just genuinely curious on what the future holds besides Chicago.
Love the show. Ooh.
Good question. That I know mine I'll give a real answer uh-huh uh I would like to do this show for as long as we are still good at it okay like I I could envision my perfect brain five to seven years from now we're like hey we're really good but you know maybe we're fading a little we're getting a little older and then we walk out on top i want to die on the mic okay go out go out on my sword as a legend in the middle of a hitler reference yeah yeah there we go i no i i don't i would like to do this show for i mean like can i could you envision us doing this at 50 that's the question.
I think it would be a little bit sad if we're in our 50s doing this show. In my head, I've always thought once we get to mid-40s, so that's like seven years from now, it will be like a reassessment of what should we do? Maybe we just keep doing it.
Maybe we keep doing it forever. Or I'll say this this i don't think there will be another show that i ever do like like i would never i never be like all right i'm done i'm gonna go make another one yeah you know i mean you'd be like i'm done but i'm like done working the way we work i think yeah like i wouldn't work this these hours this this is probably the last like major full show undertaking that i ever want to commit like can you imagine promoting a new show from scratch no that would be very tough yeah i i agree with you pft like the it's i want to do it forever but forever is a very long time it is it really is it really is like the real answer is like whenever pft and hank and i all realize that it's sad that we're still doing this then we'll stop hopefully not too late yeah no it's not sad it's definitely five years it's definitely it's definitely going to be a little too late yeah but not but not too late yeah but i don't want to do there would never be like it would never be like we're done doing pardon my take oh i'm gonna do this new show that's just like Pardon My Take.
Hopefully it gets – no. It would be like, I'm going to do one podcast a week on someone else's show.
Yeah. What about you, Hank? You said that you had a definite answer.
Definitely never being a VP of anything. I would like to have enough money that I can live on the beach somewhere and have a Marachi band on staff.
That just kind of follows me around every day sounds like hell like all day every day yes donza caduro on repeat like canelo canelo literally has that yeah i mean that's always been my goal that's my dream yeah yeah it is sad to think about but i mean yeah eventually well can't live forever would you have enough money to just play golf every day obviously well yeah if you have a marachi band on staff a marachi band yeah i think there'll also be a point was it mariachi yeah it's okay marachi you invented a new genre of music but until it stops being fun i don't know why it would ever stop yeah we have the best job in the world i was talking to a family member the other day and i said when i was in high school if i were to describe what my ideal job would be it would be this job and my guidance counselor would have said well that job doesn't exist yeah and so somehow it does so i'm not dumb enough to ever let go of it also when we stop doing this podcast someday um we will definitely wait like five to ten years and then do a reunion tour and make a lot of money yeah we've talked about that last show ever be fucking sick do six last shows we're like in our 50s and we're like pardon my take on tour yeah that would be awesome let's debate whether or not baron trump is the greatest basketball player of all time after his sixth ring great pick uh i said baron baron's a hoss baron is already same team. Yeah.
It would be incredible. Mending fences across America.
Would you cut off your non-dominant – Do you think LeBron James would not allow Bronny to play with Barron? I mean, yeah, if he doesn't want him to win any rings. Would you cut off your non-dominant hand to guarantee your favorite NFL team wins back-to-back championships at some point in your life? Hank doesn't count.
It's hard enough being a Boston sports fan. Non-dominant.
I wouldn't. I don't really have a dominant hand.
I also have two dominant hands. Even my dominant hand kind of sucks.
I'd definitely cut off a finger. A hand is a lot.
So that's a no. I'll give up a nut.
That's kind of my dominant hand. Yeah.
Well, I guess this is one of those questions that if the Bears continue to suck and I'm like 80, then yeah. But you got to be like, oh, maybe they'll win.
Yeah. You got to be like Max.
Like maybe someday they'll win. Yeah.
I would get a hook. I would do like the old school pirate hook.
Oh, I'd just have a nub. Yeah.
And then reach that hand out to shake people's hands and make them be like, what the fuck? Make feel real self-conscious i would just go i would go around to bars and challenge people to rock paper scissors shoot and then shoot my nub and be like what he always so oh what's up fellas wondering who has the highest phone screen time don't i don't know don't want to know mine is seven hours seven a little over

seven hours i think i'm the lowest i looked i it pops up every sunday i refuse to look how do you look i will never look if you go to the far left seven seven hours and two minutes daily average i do i do not want to know i i don't want to know how often i was refreshing it today. You got to look.
Okay. It tells you today.
Where do I go?

Screen time.

Holy shit.

You go set it. What do you got, Billy?

Five hours.

That's a lie.

What?

Let's see it. Five hours.
Five hours and five minutes.

Okay.

Turn on screen time. My screen time's not even on.

Oh.

Zero hours. Oh, Hank's got me beat what is it seven hours and 21 minutes what were you doing last night between the hours of midnight in your room can you guys try to find your highest day on there memes what's yours memes gotta be last week i averaged like 10 over 10 oh my god jesus i'm happy not to be the number one uh it's funny because like i have an Apple Watch So if you counted that In addition to everything Apple tricks you, you're just looking at a different screen How do you find highest day? Go down and then scroll over I feel like that's not average Sunday we sat in the AC all day Seven hours is tough I is tough.
I average 280 notifications a day. That's a lot of noties.
My Sunday was 9.56. Yeah, no.
My Sunday we sat on my phone for 12 hours. Yeah, it was mostly Hank just re-watching the stiff arm.
I spent three hours on Twitter a day. I don't know how to find the highest day.
All right.

But I'm sure it's probably like an NFL Sunday or college.

Well, actually, no, it's probably March Madness.

When we're in the middle of March Madness, I'm probably at like 28 hours in a 24-hour day.

There are certain things you would just prefer not to know.

I don't want to step on a scale, and I don't want to know what my screen time is.

Seven hours, I feel like, is fine.

Yeah.

I'll end with this one. Hey, boys, does max take gigantic l's even when he isn't on camera what is the best l you've seen max take that is not recorded for all of us to see it was kind of nice when he finished second in fortnight that was just no i don't think max doesn't really do he's he's actually like decently put together except when he wears that shirt that has holes in it that looks like he's been eating it.
He wore, like, we've been on the road for a month, but he has six holes with six shirts with holes in them. Well, he gets hungry.
The guy gets hungry. His body just absorbs his shirt.
I was like, why do you have holes in all your shirts? And you're like, it's a light shirt. I was like, what does that mean? Oh, yeah.
The shirt that I got.

The purple one.

Stiff-armed with.

There was lots of holes in it.

I buy cheap shirts.

I don't spend more than like $15 on t-shirts.

Okay.

No, he doesn't take it easy.

And they get holes.

He's pretty good.

Anything else?

Will, do you have one?

Come on up.

Yeah, say it in the mic.

Our friend Will Levis is here. Nashville resident, Tennessee Titan.
Oh, yeah, yeah, come on up. Don't get hurt.
It's good to be here. Good to be here in the beautiful bar.
Excited for the opening. What was your favorite memory from the draft? Oof.
Like I was saying, there's a lot of stuff that went down that night that, I mean, only me and the closest ones in my family really know about, and it was just a really crazy experience. But I'm really grateful to be where I am right now, right here in Nashville.
It's incredible. It's the start of the championship DVD.
They're going to do the – Will Levis, the shot of that, and they'll just be like, Super Bowl. Boom.
Who else dropped in the draft? Aaron Rodgers. Yes.
Facts. Tom Brady? They're going to throw those out every year when that happens to somebody.
Donald Trump. Vietnam draft.
True. How are your bone spurs? Are they okay? They're good.
All right. What's your FAQ? All right.
Hello, big cat, father of three. Bainty, father of one.
Hank, father of Max. Yes.
Max and Billy. Can you start? I was thinking, I know you guys don't cut a lot, but were there any things that you guys have had to either ever cut from the show, whether it was just dialogue or whatever, or conversely, are there things that you had to cut that you wish you would have kept in because in retrospect it would have been funnier, interesting, whatever.
On draft night, Hank had some pretty nasty things to say about you uh no we don't actually cut a lot it's like it's it's pretty it's pretty few and far between maybe every now and then a joke that maybe didn't land maybe cutting up the big guest the other day probably should have done that yeah we did we did do a big yeah we probably should have cut that we alluded to a big guest on monday um because we did have a big guest but that was cut yeah which parts i wish i left in yeah yeah right so um that was shout out sean evans he's the fucking man we probably yeah he was a great interview but we probably should have cut us saying there's a big guest on monday when we thought it was going to be a different guest that we then cut yep and we'll just leave it at that yeah we'll we'll drop little hints every now and then it's gonna be a funny little trail of breadcrumbs for people to try to figure out who the big interview was yeah that didn't exactly work out yeah so there's been three and part of my take history three interviews didn't air dan bilzerian yep mystery guest and big poppy number two big poppy yeah yep and pudge rodriguez oh yeah yeah that was because he didn't speak he didn't speak he came on and we were doing it through a translator and we're like what so yeah that was a good question great question great question um all right should we do numbers it is vlog. One vlog clip.
What was that? No, I'm just kidding. What? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, there is a vlog clip that we cut. We'll tell you about it after.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll tell you about it after.
All right. We'll do the random number generators.
This counts. This counts.
Will, why don't you lead us off? Numbers. 69? Yeah.
There we go. Nice one.
I was going to let him have it. No, no, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say, but you got it.
You got it. You got it.
He had to go first. Look, I know.
I know. I'm going to win without 69, and it's going to feel good.
Yeah, okay. 91.
17. 8.
21. Means you who got this? 20? Four.
Oh. Four.
You guess four sometimes, right, memes? Do you have a number yet, Will? No, I don't, actually. Oh.
You should go four. Can we decide it right now? It should be four.
What is it between? I mean, I've been riding with – I was riding with seven at first because that was my college number. Okay.
and there was a brief time period where I wasn't listening to the show as much just cause I couldn't cause of time. And then I got back into it and I started going with eight.
So I'm okay. Number.
Okay. Wait, but he was asking, are you saying like a number? Jersey number.
Jersey number. I thought you were asking like a lottery ball number yet.
Yeah. Okay.
All right. The really important part.
Yes. That sucks.
I'm number eight though. Okay, you are number eight.
All right, he's number eight now. What other numbers were possible? I forget.
I think maybe 10. 10 is a strong number.
It's strong. It's strong.
What are the worst quarterback numbers? I feel like 19 looks bad. Johnny Unitas was 19.
I feel like it's over. That's it.
I honestly really messed with Shea Patterson when we went in the 20s. I thought that was different and unique, and I'm waiting for some quarterback to rock a 20s number.
Are you allowed to? In college, at least. Okay.
Yeah, that is weird. Hank, you just said nine because of Nick Foles.
Who's 99? 99, J.J. Watt? No, but there was a quarterback that wore 99.
I don't... No shot.

I think so? I don't think so. Okay.

Or 97. Okay.

I think it was in like D3. Oh.

Okay, yeah. I remember that.

Alright, that's the show. Thank you, Will.

Yeah, thanks for having me. Love you guys.

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