Hot Ones Host Sean Evans, Mt Rushmore Of Guys Not To Mess With, Wyndham Clark Wins The Us Open And The Suns Are Making Another Super Team

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We have Mount Rushmore of guys you wouldn't fuck with. We have the U.S.
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Speaker 1 Today is Monday, June 19th, and Wyndham Clark has won the U.S. Open.
Wyndham Clark has won the U.S. Open PFT when we had a Final Four of Ricky Fowler, Rory McElroy, and Scotty Scheffler.

Speaker 1 Wyndham Clark is your U.S. Open winner.

Speaker 9 Big dub for Colorado.

Speaker 9 Everything's coming up, Colorado these days. Yeah,

Speaker 9 he is the U.S. Open champion.
There was a great leaderboard. I love the golf fans that just talk about how good the leaderboard is on Sunday.
They root for the leaderboard almost sometimes.

Speaker 9 The big loser this weekend was the course. That course sucked.
I disavow that course. I know they're supposed to have another U.S.
Open there in like 13 years or whenever. They should take it off.

Speaker 9 They should take it off because

Speaker 9 there was no big game feeling with this course. It was a soft course.
You had two guys that shot eight under in the first round, tied the record at a U.S. Open for it.

Speaker 9 And then the course just got softer. The Marine Layer, everybody was talking about the Marine Layer.
Like that was some sort of excuse. The course is a loser for making excuses.

Speaker 9 It was not becoming of a U.S. Open to be played at such a soft course.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was so soft that Ricky Fowler, who had...

Speaker 1 the lead up until maybe the worst announcer's jinx of all time on Saturday night when he had like a four-footer to have wire to wire start to finish in the first three rounds lead he misses that but Ricky Fowler who I think what he finished he ended up finishing fourth he broke the U.S.

Speaker 1 Open record for birdies so that was like the course was not what a U.S.

Speaker 1 Open course should be the crowd sucked we found out halfway through the tournament that they only uh released like 29,000 tickets and then the LA Country Club bought bought half of those, more than half of those.

Speaker 1 They actually were in the works of trying to buy all of them. And so it was very corporate.
There were holes where it felt like no one was there.

Speaker 1 Matt Fitzpatrick said it, like when he hit a hole in one, he was like, that just didn't feel like I hit a hole in one at the US Open.

Speaker 1 And then we also had a plane, NBC plane, buzzing around the entire tournament. I like,

Speaker 1 I know that this is a very old man thing, but I think most people agreed. They're like, what the fuck was that? Why was there a plane flying lowly overhead for the entire tournament?

Speaker 1 LA Country Club, fuck you guys. I know you're the richest, most powerful people in the world.
Stan Crockie, a member. So that's the first L Stan Crocky's probably ever taken.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the course was disappointing. The course was a big loser.
Wyndham Clark, the big winner.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, we saw in the PGA championship, the bunkers there were literally eating golf balls. If you get a ball embedded in a bunker at the PGA, that ball is gone.

Speaker 9 Sorry, you got to find a new one. Rory gets his ball embedded.
What hole was that? That was like the 14th hole?

Speaker 1 Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 9 The ball was embedded in the side of the bunker, and then Rory calls the rules official over, and they're like, Oh, well, good news.

Speaker 9 You can just reach your hand in, pull the ball out, and then take a drop a club length away. Oh, yeah, you can actually put that on the green, so you're good.
You can just take it closer to the hole.

Speaker 9 Made no sense to me. The course is a bitch.

Speaker 1 Also, the like maybe plant some more trees, LA Country Club. How many times do we see guys miss terribly?

Speaker 1 Like, Wyndham Clark did it, I think, on the 17th, and he just hit it in the other fairway, and it was like a perfect, like, he's like, oh, yeah, this is going to be a decent angle.

Speaker 1 Like, he can be able, like, you shouldn't be rewarded for missing. I know the fairways are narrow there, but like, when you hit it in the other fairway, it shouldn't be like, oh, no problem.

Speaker 1 You can still make par pretty easily. Bitch course.
Bitch.

Speaker 9 You had the barrancas, which is basically just like a dried up piece of dirt that's on the side of a fairway. That doesn't really punish you that much.

Speaker 9 I didn't see any creeks out there, I didn't see any lakes, I didn't see any trees getting in the way. I don't like to see it.
I disavow. I disavow this.

Speaker 9 Listen, all the credit goes to Wyndham Clark because they all had to play the exact same course, and he ended up obviously playing well on Sunday.

Speaker 9 He nutted up when he had to, and he made some big shots.

Speaker 9 But

Speaker 9 as far as this tournament goes, I'm putting an asterisk on the U.S. Open this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and now, so yeah, Wyndham Clark was, he deserves it. He was like, as everyone, Scotty never really got it going in this, in, in the final round.

Speaker 1 Rory just couldn't hit like that one or two putts to put him through. Like, he kept on going pars.

Speaker 1 It felt actually reminiscent of the British Open or the Open Championship last year when it was like, if he could just get one of these putts to fall and get a little positive momentum, he can win this tournament.

Speaker 1 And now, Rory, like, how long has it been since Rory won a, I think it's 2014? 2014, yeah.

Speaker 2 2014.

Speaker 1 is Rory oh hey Hank

Speaker 9 is Rory a choker so big hat I was about to ask you this because it's been so long I think if you go 10 years without winning a major the narrative goes back and now it's Rory will never win a major championship he doesn't have the clutch gene

Speaker 1 like imagine 2014 you said hey we'll be in 2023 and Brooks Kepka will have more majors than you, Rory.

Speaker 1 Who's that? We don't know who that is.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think if he finishes this, if he doesn't win a major, if he doesn't win the open championship this year, then I think start of next season, Rory will never win a major championship.

Speaker 9 It goes back to that conversation. And Hank and I were talking about this earlier.

Speaker 9 We have now officially activated ourselves into Brooks legacy defense mode. So when it became clear that Ricky Fowler wasn't going to win,

Speaker 9 we just started rooting against anybody who already had a major championship. Correct.
Because we don't want anybody to catch up to Brooks. Yes.

Speaker 1 No, no. You like Rory winning there, and then now it's the five club.
He joins it. Yeah, no, I completely agree.

Speaker 1 I think we all, and I speak for America, we all were rooting for Ricky Fowler to break through because

Speaker 1 the story, you were rooting for Rory over Ricky?

Speaker 2 No, I'm saying the world was rooting for Ricky Fowler.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes, that's what I'm saying. The world, yeah.
The world was rooting for Ricky Fowler. He, like, the story about how last year his game was so bad that he was an alternate to be in the U.S.

Speaker 1 Open, didn't actually play in the U.S. Open.
Like, he was,

Speaker 1 you know, whatever it was, like, seven, eight years ago, he was with that group, Jordan Speeth, Justin Thomas, and all these guys who've won big tournaments, and he never's been able to do it.

Speaker 1 It sucked because I really do think that putt

Speaker 1 on Saturday night, like, I think he misses that, and he just goes and he has to sit in his hotel room or his Airbnb and just be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 Like, how did I miss that to go into the lead on Sunday? And I do think that was the course's fault. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it was the course's fault. It was the night.
The fact that

Speaker 1 they were playing, it was so fucking dark when they were playing on Saturday. The whole tournament was a joke.
A joke.

Speaker 1 So I usually like...

Speaker 9 Real quick, Jake, I usually like West Coast golf because it means that we get to watch the ends of these major tournaments in prime time at night.

Speaker 9 And that feels awesome if you're on the East Coast Coast, getting to watch the end of a U.S. Open when you look outside and the moon's already out.

Speaker 9 That's a cool feeling. And this guy, I don't want it to be dark where they're playing, though.
And they did move it. They moved it up a little bit on Sunday, so they weren't going to run into that.

Speaker 9 But yeah, Saturday felt, it felt different. It felt different watching them at the end of the day.
Mickey Mouse course, Mickey Mouse U.S. Open.
USGA do better. Sorry, Jake, go ahead.

Speaker 11 Yeah, so you guys mentioned Rory McElroy winning the 2014.

Speaker 11 This last time he won a major. That was at Royal Liverpool.
Guess where the 2023 Open Championship is next month?

Speaker 1 Royal Liverpool. Sanderspool.
Oh. Oh, Royal Liverpool.
Won there before.

Speaker 11 Got it.

Speaker 1 You can't putt, Jake. Yeah, fucking 10 years ago, Jake.
That was when he could putt. Yeah, just name it.
He can't put.

Speaker 1 But either way,

Speaker 1 it sucked that Ricky choked. I agree with you guys.
I'm rooting for Brooks' legacy.

Speaker 1 I also, maybe it's just me, but when I was watching this tournament and Rory was fucking demolishing the ball off the tee like what he hit like one like 390

Speaker 1 i i can't be the only person i was just thinking the whole time

Speaker 1 if if blocky had that distance he would have he would have the tournament would have been over on friday like block would have i it would have been over like he so i'm just like thinking like man if block if blocky can get this kind of distance it's curtains for the rest of the tour Yeah, I think if any of us had that kind of distance, we would probably win the U.S.

Speaker 9 Open.

Speaker 9 Rory McElroy actually might suck at golf.

Speaker 1 He just hits the ball a long way. He hits it it so far.
He's

Speaker 1 so small.

Speaker 11 On the flip side, I love the 81-yard par three on Saturday on 15. I've never seen that before in a major.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was crazy.

Speaker 1 What other things from this tournament did you guys take away? We saw

Speaker 1 Blake Griffin and Brooks meeting on Thursday or Friday. That's a great sign.
Blake of the year coming up.

Speaker 1 Brooks didn't like the course. What are you going to do? You can't win if you don't like the course.
It's not his fault. The course sucked.

Speaker 9 He's bored. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was going to say, similar to Rookie missing on 18 when Wyndham Clark hit that shot going into 18 in the club twirl,

Speaker 2 that was a sign right there, too. Incredible.

Speaker 2 It was going to be a long day for Rookie Sunday.

Speaker 9 So Wyndham Clark had his first win like a month ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was his second win of one time on tour.

Speaker 9 And I don't think

Speaker 9 his top finish at a major was like 73rd, and he hasn't ever played in a masters.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I'm happy for him.

Speaker 9 It It seems like this is something that can catapult him into the next stratosphere of his career.

Speaker 9 But it didn't have that big game feel to me. It didn't seem like the lights were too bright.

Speaker 1 It's also really tough because golf is a sport of privilege. Rich people play it.
You're playing it at LA Country Club, which I think have like the richest owner.

Speaker 1 The membership has to be the richest of any country club outside of maybe like one of the New York clubs. Like it is the elite of the elite.

Speaker 1 And then you have a guy named Wyndham, Wyndham, which is like

Speaker 1 you name your kid Wyndham to win US Opens and be like a rich prick golf. I think I'm sure he's a really nice guy, but I'm saying like in your head, you're like, this fucking guy.

Speaker 1 So it took a little bit of the buzz away. Again, he's probably a really nice guy.
He went to high school with Christian McCaffrey. So like, at least he knows a football player.

Speaker 1 Like, that's cool by me.

Speaker 2 They kept mentioning in the broadcast how he basically copied Ricky Fowler's putter and that they're like friends.

Speaker 2 But like, would you, if you're Ricky Fowler, would would that like kind of piss you off a little bit?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah. He cheated on the test.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that would definitely piss me off. I hope that Ricky continues to play well, though.

Speaker 9 Golf is a better game when Ricky Fowler is in contention on Sunday.

Speaker 1 And Wyndham Clark did deserve it because he was like,

Speaker 1 he took it at the beginning of the day on Sunday. Like, he had, I think, one of those early birdies, and it felt like everyone else was going backwards or just treading water.

Speaker 1 And he was like, fuck, this is my tournament.

Speaker 1 we should say max didn't play well

Speaker 1 he would tell you that on friday on friday that's true thursday he was great uh

Speaker 1 it sucks i like i know people were coming after us i i i consider max a friend it sucks i hope he plays well in a major soon because it no it doesn't suck for anyone more than him like it sucks for him he he wanted to do well so i like he's a great dude he'll eventually do it and when it happens it's going to be the sweetest sweetest thing ever.

Speaker 1 I'm starting to make a list. Just so everyone knows, I'm making a fucking list.
I think I'm number one on the list of max doubters and haters.

Speaker 1 But so I'll do like a suicide vest bomb and then I'll kill up the whole list with myself included.

Speaker 9 Yeah,

Speaker 9 it's tough to watch because he was he was very much upset on Friday, very upset on Saturday. Then he got drunk with Justin Thomas.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 And they did some commentary this afternoon as the round was wanting to an end. I think he was drinking Rose today, I guess, guess, at the Southern California thing.

Speaker 9 But yeah, he was drunk commentating on the final round, and then he was roasting Justin Thomas, being like, Yeah, if I was out there today, I probably would have shot like seven, eight shots better than you today.

Speaker 9 So at least, at least Max is better than Justin Thomas. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Well, Justin Thomas also said, who's a friend of the program as well, said his golf game's never been worse, and he's like hit the lowest point.

Speaker 9 So, yeah, I did see one fun fact about Wyndham Clark on Foreplay. They tweeted this out.
I guess they did an interview with him.

Speaker 9 He blacks out every single number on all of his golf balls, which is very relatable.

Speaker 9 So it's like if you hit a Titleist 2 or a Taylor-made one or whatever, let's say he's playing a Taylor-made one and he loses that ball, then he takes out like another ball and it's Taylor-made two.

Speaker 9 And he's like, it's a constant reminder that you lost a ball that you fucked up. So he just writes over all the numbers so they all look the same to him.

Speaker 9 That's the funnest fact about Wyndham Clark that I could track down.

Speaker 9 And Christian mccaffrey and he knows christian mccaffrey and he's from colorado yes he's an athlete oh yeah yeah his caddie was like be an athlete on that chip and then and then he chipped and went like 10 feet past the hole

Speaker 1 dude don't try to be an athlete you're not an athlete you're a golfer speaking of caddies i really do think it all went downhill for ricky when his caddy paled him in the first first hole i i he pals him all the time

Speaker 1 did you hear that though that's like that's how they communicate yeah but you can't pal someone there he's like yeah, you know, hit this, hit that. You know, you got this, pal.

Speaker 1 I would have walked off the course. I'm like, no, you know what? You don't say that to me.
We got to either fight right now or, you know, apologize and never say that again.

Speaker 1 Can't pals someone right before

Speaker 1 they're in the first hole of the U.S. final round of the U.S.
Open with the lead. Don't do that.

Speaker 9 Hank and I played a round of golf yesterday, and I guess I can't tell you what happened

Speaker 9 because the video is not out yet. I can't say it doesn't matter who won because

Speaker 9 it was a team thing where Hank and I were trying together to break 100 through 9-0.

Speaker 2 So there's no spoilers.

Speaker 9 No, no, I'm not going to spoil it, but I'm just saying, as great teammates as me and Hank were, because the individual score definitely didn't matter, and we're never going to tell who won.

Speaker 9 But we never palled each other because we were pulling on the same rope, you know? All for one, one for all. You don't pall your buddy.

Speaker 1 Ricky was done after that. You don't pal your buddy.
I have one other thing.

Speaker 1 I got to call out.

Speaker 1 The tracker community is the worst at this point because you can't,

Speaker 1 and this is not even actually where you guys think I'm going to go.

Speaker 1 If you track a golfer, you sign up to be like tracking that golfer all the time. You cannot miss moments.
You can't miss things that happen with your golfer.

Speaker 1 It's something you depend on because I think I speak for a lot of people who bet on their golfers.

Speaker 1 The broadcast wasn't showing like 90% of these guys. They just weren't showing them.
You need the tracker to track. This happened before the tournament.

Speaker 1 I mean, it makes me laugh. This is an official statement.

Speaker 1 Another update. There will be no tracking for the U.S.
Open on this account. I'll be in attendance at Bonnaroo.

Speaker 1 I might check in every once in a while, but I'm looking forward to a fun time on the farm. As always, follow Fleetwood Legion for shot-by-shot updates.
Hashtag let's go Tommy.

Speaker 1 That was from Tommy Tracker420. It's the U.S.
Open. You can't fucking skip the U.S.
Open if you're a a tracker.

Speaker 9 You've got to hand the account down to somebody else.

Speaker 9 You have four weekends a year that you absolutely no excuses have to be doing your job as a tracker.

Speaker 2 He had to do a playoff the weekend before. That's overtime.
Yeah, but

Speaker 9 you don't get to take the U.S. Open off because you want to go do mushrooms in the woods with your friends.

Speaker 1 It's the U.S.

Speaker 9 real shit.

Speaker 1 Bonaroo hasn't been cool for like 15 years, and you're fucking skipping the U.S. Open.
Tommy Tracker 420, don't ever fucking tweet another one of Tommy Fleetwood's shots. You're done.
It's over.

Speaker 9 If somebody wants to start a new Tommy Fleetwood tracker, we will promote that tracker and we'll tell everybody

Speaker 9 this is the official one.

Speaker 9 But you have to be committed to it. You have to be absolutely locked in.

Speaker 1 You cannot miss it. I like a shot.

Speaker 9 Bubba put me onto the Siwoo Kim tracker because I've been betting a lot on Siwoo Kim. And he likes, like, when he's not tracking, he's some like middle school kid halfway around the world.

Speaker 9 And he just talks about how much homework sucks.

Speaker 1 I love it. That's okay.
If you're not, if your guy's not playing, you can do whatever you want. But when your guy's playing, especially in a major, you're tracking.
That's the rule.

Speaker 9 Crazy. Board the clock, buddy.

Speaker 1 Crazy.

Speaker 1 Also, why is he

Speaker 11 promoting a different Fleetwood tracker? That's his rival.

Speaker 12 That's his competition.

Speaker 1 Well, he doesn't have that dog in him. No, yeah.
Apparently, he just kneeled down and was like,

Speaker 1 I'm not the official tracker anymore. I'm going to Bonaroo.

Speaker 9 If Hank was a tracker,

Speaker 9 he would take off weekends like this. He's like, you got to have that work-life balance.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you one thing. Henry Lockwood could never be a tracker.
The guy has no.

Speaker 1 No. Not even close to the amount of work I think it takes to be a tracker.

Speaker 2 Oh, I can track.

Speaker 1 Okay, then you should track Winter Clark. Yeah, track someone.

Speaker 2 So I have to pay attention to more golf.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're for my job.

Speaker 9 No, watch more golf, but not play more golf.

Speaker 1 You can't miss a shot.

Speaker 1 Of who? We're going to give you a trial, Hank, at the open championship.

Speaker 1 I'll I'll do it for live. I'll do it for live.
I'll do it for live. Four races tracker?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'll Cam Smith. I'll be a Cam Smith tracker.

Speaker 1 Deal.

Speaker 2 See?

Speaker 1 More work to my plate. All right.

Speaker 1 Other things. Bradley Beal got traded from the Wizards to the Suns.

Speaker 1 I love the Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 What did we say? Like, 2019, you could maybe make the argument. Yeah, 2019 was kind of when the super team era started to shift.

Speaker 1 And we've had the winners of of the last few championships have not been super teams where everyone's just, you know, free agents, trades, all this.

Speaker 1 Kevin Durant's just like, I'm never leaving the super team era. I always have to be on a super team.
Brooklyn, Phoenix, like, let's add

Speaker 1 another guy on a max contract and have literally no one on our bench. And we'll just see how it goes.

Speaker 9 That's the thing. It's like, they're not even super teams, really.
They're just super threes. They've got three good players.

Speaker 9 And then the rest of the team, they didn't even have anybody to trade to the Wizards, basically.

Speaker 9 They almost sent the Gorilla over to D.C. They have they have nobody that you could even offload in terms of like getting a matching deal.

Speaker 9 So they had to send Chris Paul and who knows if he's going to be a wizard for life. I think that he probably will.
I don't think that this is a buyout situation.

Speaker 9 I think that Chris Paul is going to win a championship in D.C. But I think if you look at the way that the Suns are created, yeah,

Speaker 9 they've got three good players, three great players on their team.

Speaker 9 But if you're telling me that they're going to compete with the Nuggets based on this roster, yeah, I don't see how they have no bench.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no bench. I do.

Speaker 9 Bradley Beal's great, though. Bradley Beal is a legitimately great player

Speaker 9 when he plays. And I mean, you get

Speaker 9 the injuries start to flare up when you have to play on the Wizards for long enough. That's all I'm going to say about that.

Speaker 9 Like, you, it's very easy to take a day off work when your job description is go on the court with the rest of the Washington Wizards. Minus Corey Kispert, who's awesome.

Speaker 9 But he, yeah, he's had some injuries, but when he plays, he's awesome.

Speaker 9 The Wizards' front office was basically it's been run by the equivalent of just like a rabid dog for the last and that's probably given a lot of credit to rabies i would say just like a dog with hepatitis for the last six years and it's starting to get to its brain at this point because the contract that they gave bill which beal definitely he deserved a big contract because he's a great player but to give him a no trade clause too was actually insane pretty much forced the wizards to trade him to a team that had no good assets to get in return for him one year after they signed him to this huge contract.

Speaker 9 You could have done business with so many other. You could have probably gotten Jalen Brown from the Celtics for Bradley Beal if you wanted to, if you didn't have, what was that shrug, Hank?

Speaker 1 I don't think. I don't.

Speaker 2 Celtics aren't that dumb.

Speaker 1 I don't know. They don't know about that.

Speaker 9 You could have gotten at least a talented player, a very talented player for Bradley Beal if you had managed his contract right instead of giving him a no-trade clause.

Speaker 9 And then all of a sudden you have to take what he wants to do.

Speaker 9 So the wizards fucked us up so so they fucked up the last 10 years of their franchise i hope i'm very hopeful that with the new gm that they're going to try to figure out how to run a basketball team correctly i'm not going to hold my breath but this has been a masterclass in how not to deal with superstars in the wizards defense though i will say if you doesn't really matter if you up an nba franchise it can still 10 extra money uh yeah that makes you the goat

Speaker 2 that's what i'm saying michael jordan Michael Jordan. He didn't do shit for the Hornets and sold for 10 times as much as

Speaker 2 you can. So I don't think the owners are too, too worried about the product on the court.

Speaker 1 Michael Jordan, one of the greatest investors of all time.

Speaker 1 What did he buy the Hornets for? Like $200 million? And he sold it for $3 billion?

Speaker 1 He didn't really win. $275.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 11 $275 for $3 billion.

Speaker 1 And he won nothing?

Speaker 1 That's called being the GOAT.

Speaker 1 He's not only the GOAT basketball player,

Speaker 1 it might be...

Speaker 1 Who's better, Warren Bethwood or Michael Jordan? The debate should start.

Speaker 9 Snyder, 10X.

Speaker 1 Snyder made more money. 13 years.
22 years. 13 years is insane.
One last thing with the Suns.

Speaker 1 I kind of like Matt Ishbia, the new Suns owner. I like his vibe because he's got very reminiscent of myself on day one of March Madness where I'm like.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to throw all my money out there and just hope it comes back with like wins and just be like, spread it all out.

Speaker 1 Like, you know or not spread it all out but like like i don't care i like this new excitement of like oh my god oh my god this is such a fun thing like there's no way all of these bed flues yeah right he's a kevin durant here's all this money deandre eighton already he already had all that money but bradley beal now you have all this money devin booker all this money like it will work out like it's just like and and you know he's gonna wake up in like a year or two and be like wait fuck this probably isn't the smartest strategy but i don't blame him because I think I'd do the exact same thing if I ever owned a team.

Speaker 1 I just be like, give me all the high-priced guys and I'll figure out the rest later.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that's a fun way to run a team. Yeah.
Give me the guy.

Speaker 9 I want a team with at least four guys' names that I know right off the bat.

Speaker 9 I want some marquee titles. I want to have, I want to sell tickets too.
They're going to sell tickets. They're going to be talked about.

Speaker 9 They're going to be, as far as like the national conversation at the NBA, people are going to be talking about the Suns like they are going to be favored to win the title.

Speaker 9 But I just, I don't see how they compete with the Nuggets.

Speaker 1 I basically would grade every trade if I was an owner. Can you make a graphic with three or four players being like, who's stopping them on Twitter?

Speaker 1 And like, it doesn't have to be, you know, because people did that graphic and they're like, who's stopping them? And everyone's like, plenty of teams because they're not back.

Speaker 1 But you can at least throw that out there. Like, look at them.
Big three. Who's stopping these guys?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I just want I wonder what's going to happen with Chris Paul now because he's probably actually not going to play for the Wizards.

Speaker 9 I don't want to say that officially, but I saw the report is that he's going to be traded to the Clippers.

Speaker 9 It's coming home.

Speaker 9 They're going to have a big reunion for him.

Speaker 9 That would actually be a fun team to watch. I feel like the Clippers, well, they're never healthy either.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was going to say,

Speaker 1 the Clippers are a joke. They'll always be a joke.
They just are. And I don't mean that.
I love Steve Ballmer. I like the idea of Kawhi Leonard.

Speaker 1 I think Paul George has gotten shit on so much, he's actually underrated, but like, as a franchise and how they're run, it's like they always kind of like fall into bad things.

Speaker 1 New stadium, though, new stadium, probably haunted in some way.

Speaker 1 Um, all right, John Morant got suspended 25 games. Yeah, I thought it'd be longer.
The video that he released, or

Speaker 1 I think TMZ had it, but I guess he maybe had used it as a defense of him lighting a candle with a fake gun, being like, it's been a fake gun all this time. It's just been a really cool lighter.

Speaker 1 Not the worst defense.

Speaker 1 I kind of like the ingenuity of it. I think if I was Adam Silver, I would have been like, you know what? Fair's fair.
That's a cool lighter, dude. You're right.
10 games. Yeah, no,

Speaker 9 it is embarrassing that he had a gun that could be mistaken for a lighter.

Speaker 9 Like, if that's if that was actually a gun and he's saying that it was lighter, he's actually owning himself on that because you can't talk shit about your own gun that way.

Speaker 1 It's it's also just funny the idea of John Morant's house just being full of regular household items all shaped like guns.

Speaker 1 Like his target's a gun, his, his, like, he go, you know, like his oven's a gun shape, his pool's gun shape, like everything's just guns. Yeah.

Speaker 9 His knives in the kitchen are all guns.

Speaker 1 His fucking huge sofa is a gun shape. Like his TVs are put in a gun shape.
His pool table has a gun logo on it.

Speaker 1 I kind of like if he could just make that like quick change and be like, Adam Silver, look, I don't own guns. I just love the shape of guns.
I think he would have had a better chance.

Speaker 9 He should come out with a shoe that's just, it just looks like a gun.

Speaker 9 People would buy that shit. That'd be hot.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
What were you going to say, Billy? Something with John Moran?

Speaker 13 I kind of get why he's flashing a gun on Instagram Live. I kind of get it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 13 Because he doesn't, because his location is revealed. He wants anyone watching his Instagram Live to know that he's strapped.

Speaker 9 It's a safety thing. You're talking about the ops.

Speaker 13 I mean, I just...

Speaker 1 Does your Instagram Live always have location?

Speaker 13 No, but like you can just tell from the background.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but Billy, okay,

Speaker 9 counterpoint, what if he just didn't go live on Instagram? Then people wouldn't know where he was.

Speaker 13 Well, remember, the video we're talking about, he it's not his Instagram live, it's someone else's, so someone knows where he is.

Speaker 1 Wait, so you think that he was like, oh shit, my friend's going on Instagram live. Better take my gun out so if anyone comes and tries us

Speaker 1 Exactly. Okay.

Speaker 13 Let's everyone know he's not lacking because

Speaker 1 here's what i'll say take i hadn't heard yet

Speaker 13 it may be a bad take it may be a bad take but it doesn't matter

Speaker 13 if you if you drop a take i'd never heard i you still have to tip your cap and be like hadn't heard that yet like if i was on instagram live and like people knew where i was i might feel a little vulnerable Well, right now you're in the studio in New York and you're lacking.

Speaker 9 You don't have a gun.

Speaker 13 Exactly. So I have an axe.

Speaker 2 How much cash do you have on you?

Speaker 1 No cash. $0.

Speaker 1 He's scared of cash. Do you think John Morant's got that type of heat on him that people want to go and go after him? He might.
Because

Speaker 1 people could, they know where he is every day when he goes to games and practices.

Speaker 13 It's a scary world being famous.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 Do you think that John Morant has ever carried a gun during a game?

Speaker 9 Like, it's strapped into his compression shorts.

Speaker 1 I would say

Speaker 1 maybe when injured, like when LeBron was drinking wine

Speaker 1 on the

Speaker 1 bench.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Or if Shannon Sharp's showing up to a game, just keep it underneath your shooting sleeve.

Speaker 1 Either way, I hope Ja can stop flashing guns. Again, I think it's a good one.

Speaker 9 Credit where credit's due, but get it's been, I think, two and a half months since Ja has shown a gun on Instagram.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I can't stress it enough if I'm the Grizzlies. Like, just do a

Speaker 1 Friday happy hour.

Speaker 1 Close off the doors. No videos.

Speaker 1 Everyone shows off their guns to each other. It's that simple.
Let him get it out of his system. Just let him do it.
And then you just move on next week. Bring in the new gun.
Show us that.

Speaker 1 It's clear that that's like just

Speaker 1 let him have an outlet for showing his gun.

Speaker 9 Or what he should do is he should take all of his guns and just paint little orange circles at the end of the muzzle so they all look like toy guns because that's how you can tell if it's a toy, if it's got that thing that clearly marks, hey, this is not a real live gun that's shooting bullets.

Speaker 9 He should just do that to all of his guns. That way he can just always say that they're toy guns.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 1 Another good idea.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Should we do some who's back of the week?

Speaker 12 Let's do it.

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Speaker 1 Who's back of the week, Hank?

Speaker 2 My who's back of the week is David Freese.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 2011 World Series MVP, clutch player that whole postseason, St. Louis Cardinals, got voted into the Cardinals Hall of Fame and denied it.

Speaker 2 Denied entering the Hall of Fame, said he hadn't earned it, that

Speaker 2 he knew it was kind of a weird decision, that he was going to wear it.

Speaker 2 It really made no sense to me. I feel like if you're a World Series MVP,

Speaker 2 you've earned the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 9 It's the most Cardinal story ever.

Speaker 9 This actually proves that he should be in the Cardinals Ring of Fame for denying his own entry into it because he feels like he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as those other old Cardinals players.

Speaker 9 That's the most Cardinal story that you could ever draw up.

Speaker 2 There's plenty of other Cardinals players that aren't World Series MVPs in the Cardinals Hall of Fame. So

Speaker 2 that to me is like 1-1. You're automatically drafted into the Hall of Fame.
Any World Series MVP.

Speaker 1 No one would ever have known about this story until he did this. Yeah.
So he's actually a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 He is.

Speaker 9 But it's the most Cardinals thing ever to get a lot of attention to yourself for raising your hand and being like, look what a team guy I am. Look how humble I am.

Speaker 9 Everybody, give me credit for being the most humble individual ever. Also, I just love the phrase, like, I'll wear this one.
He's like, yeah, I'll wear it. You know what?

Speaker 9 I'm going to, I'm going to wear doing a great thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, it is the most Cardinals thing ever, though. And yes, he will probably, they'll probably, like, force him in.
They'll probably put him in anyway. And he'll look like a good guy.

Speaker 1 He's a piece of shit. He should be in.

Speaker 1 No, he shouldn't.

Speaker 2 Any World Series MVP for any baseball team should be in that baseball team's Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 I think he got a DUI, and we don't stand with that. But also, that's Bob Huggins.

Speaker 9 That's also the most Cardinals thing ever.

Speaker 1 We played the game the right way.

Speaker 1 And we love Huggins.

Speaker 9 Bring it down to first base every time you got a walk and got a DUI. That's the St.
Louis hat-trick.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Jake, please fact-check me so I didn't. Oh, I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 11 November 2002, arrested for DUI.

Speaker 1 So there you go. Again, we don't stand for drinking and driving.

Speaker 12 2009.

Speaker 1 So double.

Speaker 1 Double.

Speaker 11 And then MVP two years later.

Speaker 2 DWI, Jake.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So two DUIs.
Wikipedia is wrong.

Speaker 2 No, DWI.

Speaker 11 Wikipedia says two DUIs.

Speaker 1 Often on Zoom. Two DUIs.
Huggy, he also has two, but that's besides the point.

Speaker 9 He has two?

Speaker 1 Means me. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 12 Is there DWI?

Speaker 9 I think that's the same thing.

Speaker 1 Just one or two. Yeah, I think they just changed it like a few times.

Speaker 9 Driving under the influence of driving while intoxicated. I think those are pretty much.

Speaker 12 I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that you shouldn't do either one.

Speaker 1 Two

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 I'm

Speaker 1 as an aside, I'm going to miss Huggy Bear. I know

Speaker 1 he had to go. That was bad.
0.21 is bad.

Speaker 1 We do not think DUIs are funny, but you can separate the fact that he fucked up and also be like, he's a legendary coach that makes the sport better, and it sucks that it ended this way. Wait, point

Speaker 1 two one is it?

Speaker 9 I didn't realize it's a point to one.

Speaker 1 He has dude,

Speaker 1 he was in Pittsburgh. He He thought he was in Columbus.

Speaker 13 Like three times 0.08?

Speaker 1 0.21.

Speaker 1 Not good. Three times 0.08.
Look, it's not too good.

Speaker 1 I wish Huggy had gotten a driver.

Speaker 1 I wish he had gotten a driver. Bad.
DUIs are bad. They actually are like one of those things that like, it's not, there's no jokes.
It's like lucky no one got killed. Like very lucky.
Very, very bad.

Speaker 1 In this day and age, get a fucking Uber. It's so goddamn easy.
Don't put yourself at risk. Don't put other people at risk.
Bad, bad, bad.

Speaker 1 Huggy should have, like, the minute I saw it, I was like, he's, there's no way he's going to survive this. And with all that said, I'm going to miss him.
And I think that's fair to say.

Speaker 1 I'm going to miss Quill.

Speaker 13 That's 12 beers in an hour.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Billy, we know. Look, I mean, what was David Fries's? Probably worse.

Speaker 9 I was going to say, he might, Huggy might get inducted into the Cardinals' Ring of Honor.

Speaker 1 He, yeah, the

Speaker 1 being in Pittsburgh and thinking you're in Columbus is tough.

Speaker 9 It's not good. Don't do it.

Speaker 1 Don't do it. Don't do it.
Okay, PFT.

Speaker 9 Good who's back, Hank. Thanks.

Speaker 9 My who's back of the week is United States soccer. U.S.
soccer's back, baby.

Speaker 9 Don't, Hank, try to show some fucking patriotism for once. We just dominated the CONCACAF Nations League.
Some say it's a more challenging tournament than the World Cup.

Speaker 9 We just won it for the second time in a row. Our new striker, Balagon, he scored.

Speaker 9 We had Claudio Claudio Reyna's kid, Geo, out there, lighting it up, dicing up the defense. And then also, we brought back Greg Berhalter, the coach from the last team.
So, how'd that work out?

Speaker 9 Well, we tied the fuck out of Great Britain or England over.

Speaker 1 You remember that?

Speaker 9 Then we then let him go because you reset after every World Cup. That's when his contract was up.
The funny part about this was we hired a search firm, the U.S.

Speaker 9 Soccer Federation, hired a search firm, and then they spent like, I don't know, probably $800,000 traveling around the world. And then they just rehired the same guy that used to be the team.

Speaker 9 So, what I learned from this is that we have to get into the search firm business, whether it's college football, whether it's

Speaker 9 international soccer. Running a search firm is the best gig of all time.
You get driven around all the major metropolitan cities.

Speaker 9 You just fly into an airport, get picked up in a town car, taken to a meeting, town car again, back to the airport.

Speaker 9 Then you fly to a nice five-star hotel, then you go home, and you get paid a fuckload of money to do it. And it seems like the best gig of all time.

Speaker 1 Dude, remember when, like, I think Bill Pollyon had it a few times, Ernie Accorsi, all those guys who they just hire, and then they just would pay him like a million bucks and they just hire their friend after doing like six interviews.

Speaker 9 Yeah, or sometimes it's like, here's a million dollars, go stay in LA for a week, go stay in New York, go fly over to London, come back, and then hire like your nephew.

Speaker 9 Something that you're actually related to.

Speaker 1 It's also like, I used to think it was like crazy why would you do this but it's also genius on the team hiring the search firm because essentially saying we know this is a really important decision and if it goes south we want someone to be able to blame because like if you hire someone and it fucks up Then you're like, well, that was my fault.

Speaker 1 I'm a fucking idiot. If you hire someone who then hires someone, you can be mad at the person you hired to hire the person.
And then you never have to take blame.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it's really, really, really smart. And it also insulates you from any sort of legal obligation that you might have.

Speaker 9 If you don't uncover something about the person's past or whatever, then you could get sued. But if you hire somebody whose job it is to do that for you, then they're like, these guys did a bad job.

Speaker 9 Don't ask me who hired those guys to run the surge firm, but they're the ones that you should be mad at, not me. But yeah, Greg Burhalter's back.
He sucks. I am upset about that.

Speaker 9 But right now, boys are humming. Just beat Mexico.
Trey Sacero beat Canada in the championship. Got another chip, another ring for the boys in blue.

Speaker 1 Dude, we're rolling right now.

Speaker 9 This is the golden generation. We've got a great young team.
I know Hank's rolling his eyes because he's a hater and doesn't like America, but that's fine. We've got a great team.

Speaker 9 Next World Cup, it's our year.

Speaker 1 We've had this discussion PFT next World Cup if they don't get to at least the Elite Eight.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm sick of it. That's it.

Speaker 9 They need to get to the quarterfinals. If they don't, then it's a failure.

Speaker 13 You know know how beat it is showing up to a bar at 9 a.m. to watch America play and them get blown out by the Dutch?

Speaker 1 Like, can't happen again. Damn.

Speaker 9 How beat is it? Tell me how beat it is.

Speaker 2 Beat it as fuck.

Speaker 1 It's so beat.

Speaker 1 It is. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 Because I'm seeing it. Like, I see your face.
It was beat.

Speaker 9 Billy's never going to recover from that loss to the Dutch.

Speaker 9 Billy's never going to go to a bar at 9 a.m.

Speaker 1 ever again.

Speaker 1 All right, my who's back is the Bears, the Chicago Bears. I don't know if you guys saw this.

Speaker 1 Jordan Love posted a video today.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it was some, he took it or someone else took it, but he had a video where

Speaker 1 he said, happy Father's Day to all Bears fans out there.

Speaker 1 Jordan Love is a fucking moron. So Jordan Love basically called Bears fans his dad.

Speaker 1 And it was like the first moment that I've had in a very long time where I was like, ooh, I think things might be changing.

Speaker 1 Because Jordan Love was trying to do an Aaron Rodgers, like, I own you, I'm your daddy, and he couldn't have bungled it worse. He couldn't have fucked it up worse.

Speaker 1 He's a moron, and it's the first glimmer of hope where I'm like, things are changing. This guy thinks he's that guy, but he ain't that guy, pal.
And the Packers are in trouble.

Speaker 1 Like, what an embarrassment. And then Bleacher Report even, because everyone's so used to the Packers kicking the shit out of the Bears and the Bears being the punchline on the internet all the time.

Speaker 1 Bleacher Report released it being like, damn, Jordan Love didn't hold back. And it was like, what? Did you watch the video? He literally called us his dad.
We are his father.

Speaker 9 Yeah, what's sad about this is you're right. He thinks that he is Aaron Rodgers.
Right. That's the only explanation.
Like, he, I'm actually with you on this one, big guy.

Speaker 9 I would like to be, you know, put on my giant cheese head Packers ownership hat and be like, no, you're misunderstanding this. That's bad, what he did, because even

Speaker 9 what he was going for was calling you his son, which he has not done anything to make the Bears his son. He's never played the Bears at this point.
Right. Never played the Bears.

Speaker 9 He's just taking Aaron Rodgers and he's basically saying, I'm Aaron Rodgers now. Congratulations to me.
You can't do that. I have a big update that just came through from memes here.

Speaker 9 Freeze is BAC.

Speaker 1 Oh, breaking moose, breaking moose.

Speaker 9 Oh, sorry, breaking moose.

Speaker 1 That was fine. Do it.
No, breaking moose.

Speaker 1 Breaking moose.

Speaker 1 I'm Hank almost salty. B-word.

Speaker 1 Wait, Hank, you're so salty, it feels like there's some tension between you and PFT. Like, there's no

Speaker 1 golf yesterday.

Speaker 1 We're on the same team.

Speaker 1 Breaking moose.

Speaker 9 No tension. No tension whatsoever.
David Freeze, BAC.232.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit.

Speaker 9 That's fucking hammered.

Speaker 1 That's so drunk. By the way.
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 That was a great lifetime stat that someone had that we missed. BAC and the date and like what happened of your lifetime stats would be incredible to look at.
0.244

Speaker 9 went out and then lost the Super Bowl the next day. 0.257

Speaker 9 woke up in my girlfriend's roommate's bed.

Speaker 1 Hypothetically.02 got kissed by my best bro at the bar.

Speaker 2 The part is Max can't hear you. He just

Speaker 2 had a big hat had a good one.

Speaker 12 It was a good one, Max.

Speaker 1 This is totally soft.

Speaker 9 Anything happened to you this weekend, Max? Anything on film?

Speaker 1 We'll talk about it Wednesday or Friday.

Speaker 9 Derek Henry Lockwood's right here.

Speaker 2 Max wants nothing to do with talking about this.

Speaker 1 We can wait. We can wait.
We'll wait. We'll wait.

Speaker 9 We'll wait until we're on first again.

Speaker 1 We'll do a film breakdown.

Speaker 2 If you don't want to know what you're talking about, if you're listening and you might not understand, I will post the video again on my Twitter and

Speaker 2 the story in the morning just so people have

Speaker 1 to show. I'll retweet it.
But yes, we will talk. We'll all be together on Tuesday.
So we will break it down then. Either way, my who's back is the Bears.
Because Jordan Love, you're a clown.

Speaker 1 Like, it really was. Aaron Rodgers did own me.

Speaker 1 He was my daddy. He, like, any talking, any shit he talked, he could do it because I was like, there's nothing I can say.
This guy can't even get the simplest joke right. What a moron.

Speaker 2 The first game, it's reminiscent of the 2004 Yankees Red Sox when Martinez called the Yankees his daddy.

Speaker 2 And then the chants when he was pitching were all time, like the who's who's your daddy, like, that will be electric in Chicago the first time.

Speaker 1 The Bears, yeah, if the Bears beat the Packers week one, that clip is going to be,

Speaker 1 I mean, I'll be just tweeted every single day. Like, I'll just, it's, it's, I don't know how you could be that dumb.
It makes me think he won't learn to play. So, I'm excited.

Speaker 9 Um, all right, real quick, Hank, since we're talking about Aaron Rodgers, I want to get your comment on the story that broke.

Speaker 9 I think it was last Thursday, maybe last Friday, um, regarding your Patriots. That the Patriots tried to trade for Aaron Rodgers this offseason.
First of all, I thought that you loved Mac Jones.

Speaker 9 Second of all, Aaron Rodgers rejected the trade. He didn't want to play for, I guess he didn't want to do a two-quarterback system with him and Bill Belichick at the same time playing quarterback.

Speaker 9 But I'm just curious to know from your perspective, I thought it's a Florida report. I thought you were all in on Mac Jones.
It might be.

Speaker 1 It might be. It might be all.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm assuming that your dad just

Speaker 2 webbed up a nice web of tall tales and webbed up the web.

Speaker 1 he whipped up the web yeah okay uh billy

Speaker 13 my who's back of the week is diamondback terrapins so uh it was father's day did they ever go away

Speaker 13 no they would they were breeding they were getting their no they went they went away for a little bit in like the early 2000s they were endangered back then so i was uh my dad wanted to go to the beach so we were at the beach it's father's day uh i was driving on a road and i noticed there was a a bunch of turtles crossing the road, probably to nest.

Speaker 13 They were probably females looking to lay eggs.

Speaker 13 So I pulled over the car and I was picking up turtles that were trying to cross the road and I realized there was a lot of them and I was ending up stopping traffic and I was picking them all up, putting them in a bucket in the back seat that I had.

Speaker 13 And what ended up happening was that...

Speaker 1 To do what with them?

Speaker 13 No, because I was going to deposit them on the other side of the road, but the thing was...

Speaker 1 Deposits.

Speaker 1 Where does deposit?

Speaker 9 Do you mean just like pick up and then put down again?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but

Speaker 13 there were so many of them. Anyway, the cops,

Speaker 13 I literally almost got arrested. The cops pulled up on me picking up these turtles, and my dad was being like, my dad was like, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 13 No, my dad was like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, just like... Keep driving.
He doesn't get it.

Speaker 13 So

Speaker 13 he doesn't get that I'm stopping the car trying to pick up turtles to make sure they get to their nesting point anyway but he is your sons or you you know he is your father so he should get a lot of this no no he he still doesn't get it you know 16 years later so the cops pull up to me and they're like what are you doing why do you have 15 turtles in the back of your car native turtles this is technically a felony if you're collecting these for whatever reason and i was like look i'm just trying to put them back on the other side of the road so they don't get run over.

Speaker 13 I know they're in danger. Like, yeah, you're collecting an endangered species.

Speaker 12 It was,

Speaker 13 in the end, we put them on the other side of the road, and I didn't get arrested. But it was a little touch and go because the cops were pretty pissed that I was collecting turtles.

Speaker 9 I think you are Chiefsaholic, man.

Speaker 1 I really do.

Speaker 2 It also sounds like you definitely were collecting them and got caught.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I was going to put them to

Speaker 13 the breeding grounds i was gonna put them on the other side of the road but and in the breeding grounds in your backyard

Speaker 13 hey also you know were you gonna like one of them happen to stay in your truck look you know whatever got put out got put out maybe some ended up in my truck there's no worries about that no one knows

Speaker 2 okay how much how much is one of these uh

Speaker 13 they go for about 15 they go for about 1500 on the free market

Speaker 1 Just one? And you've got

Speaker 1 $220?

Speaker 13 They're very endangered.

Speaker 1 You definitely kept some. No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 While he was going to keep you. You $1,500.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 You knew immediately, right off the top of your head, how much it costs.

Speaker 13 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 13 The cops came, and I put the turtles back.

Speaker 2 Maybe you give the cops one, you take one, put eight back.

Speaker 13 Look, I may have bribed a cop with a turtle, but I don't think

Speaker 13 that's for public consumption.

Speaker 1 Hey.

Speaker 9 Do you know the same if one of these dying black terrapins fell off the back of this truck?

Speaker 1 I don't even know what to say. Yeah, I don't even know what to say.
I mean, it was so clear you were trying to steal some terrapin turtles for money, and you got caught.

Speaker 13 No, look, they're very expensive turtles, and you know, they're not.

Speaker 1 Because they're an endangered species, Billy.

Speaker 13 They're very endangered. We don't have to talk about it.

Speaker 1 Because of the black market traders like you. No, look, look, look.

Speaker 13 You know, I made sure they didn't get run over. There was a couple run over on the road.
Running over a turtle is the most demoralizing thing ever because you hear the pop of the shell.

Speaker 13 We don't have to talk about that.

Speaker 1 Jake, what's the first time? Money wasted.

Speaker 1 Wait, there were multiple dead ones on the road?

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 13 it was carnage. It was terrible.
So I started pulling over and picking them all up. Then the cops came and they asked me what I was doing.
I was like, hey, I'm trying to get these turtles to safety.

Speaker 2 Definitely not doing selling these.

Speaker 1 I'm not selling these turtles for $1,500 a pop. Look, look.

Speaker 13 Look, I had about like $10,000 worth of turtles in the back of my truck.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Billy, you're finding like runaway juveniles and you're putting them into your car and driving away with them so that they can breed. You're basically Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 13 No, no, like, listen to this. Like, if you have like

Speaker 13 18K worth of turtles in the back of your truck, like

Speaker 13 in China, they sell for like probably $2,500 each. Like, it's, you know, you're riding a little high at that point.
But anyway, Jake, what's your who's back of the week?

Speaker 11 Thank you, Billy.

Speaker 11 My who's back is the College World Series. It was an opening, exciting opening weekend in Omaha.
We had a walk-off in the top of the ninth inning. We had some Cinderella with Oral Roberts.

Speaker 11 And we have Frank the Tank meeting Peyton Manning. So a lot of storylines.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait. Jake.
Hold on. Jake, that's funny.
You mentioned the Oral Roberts

Speaker 1 TCU game. Did you want to say anything about the call?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I said we had a walk-off in the top of the nine.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, but maybe let's put this guy to task. Let's, you know, like, well, yeah, let's get into it.

Speaker 11 I figured we would expand. Carl Ravich, let me read his statement.

Speaker 11 So, for those unaware, he released a statement?

Speaker 2 Statement about what? He tweeted it.

Speaker 11 He tweeted it about, like, Andrew Martin said, tough look for him.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 2 can you redo the call for the listeners that didn't hear it?

Speaker 11 Yeah, let me.

Speaker 11 And this one is hit into left field. Did he get it? Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Walk off.

Speaker 1 Nine hitter.

Speaker 11 Correl Roberts rallies

Speaker 11 and wins it. Top of the ninth.

Speaker 1 Top of the ninth.

Speaker 1 Brutal.

Speaker 11 So, Carl Ravich's statement, it was all on me. Come back and do it again tomorrow.

Speaker 1 My bad. I wear this one.
Damn.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Listen, he's at a point in his career where he can get away with something like that.

Speaker 1 Kenny?

Speaker 11 There's on to tomorrow for him. A lot of people not on to tomorrow.
I hope to get to that level one day.

Speaker 9 I don't know.

Speaker 9 When you say we're on to tomorrow, he just basically rehired himself. He's like,

Speaker 9 I'm not getting fired because I'm already on to tomorrow.

Speaker 1 I couldn't watch any of the college baseball the rest of the weekend because I was like, how can I trust these guys?

Speaker 1 Sad.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Chris came into the room. He's like, daddy, I thought that there was a bod with the ninth inning.
What's Mr. Ravage telling me on television?

Speaker 1 I didn't know what to say yeah it was it was so bad because we do like carl ravish but man it was the double down that killed him when he was like he he was like yeah it was a walk-off like yeah and then he realized that he was wrong that was it was tough it was bad bad luck thank god they won that game because if they blew it

Speaker 1 yeah yeah Yeah, big time.

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Speaker 9 And now here's Sean Evans.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on very, very, very special guests. You get three berries.
Wow. It is Sean Evans.
You know him from Hot Ones, friend of PFT and myself. Finally on the show.
Long overdue.

Speaker 1 Long overdue.

Speaker 1 Let's start here.

Speaker 1 What do you think of the studio? Because you're probably like one of the last interviews we're going to do in the studio. We cleaned up for you.

Speaker 12 It looks like it might be on its last legs, but I shouldn't talk because we have kind of an embarrassing studio sometimes that like when we bring guests to it, it's like a little bit of a chicken coop.

Speaker 12 This does

Speaker 12 translate better to video than it does in person. Okay,

Speaker 12 that's where I'd put this one at.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah, because

Speaker 9 your studio, you play it smart. It's like just very clean and minimal when you see it on TV.

Speaker 9 So when you see or when you see it on YouTube, but when you look behind the scenes, I'm sure that that's a shock. We put all of our dirty laundry out.

Speaker 9 So people, when they come in, they might be pleasantly surprised that there's not actually like, I don't know, animals living around here.

Speaker 12 But I like it because it's honest. You know what I mean? It's an honest set, you know? So in that way, it's kind of comfortable, and I feel good about it.

Speaker 1 That actually,

Speaker 1 like one of the great things about your show, and I don't know, you can tell me if it was intentional or not, I always think that when people try to do internet

Speaker 1 shows that look like TV shows, they fail. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because the internet, there should be a little bit more, there shouldn't be as much of a barrier between you and the audience, like a big ESPN Sports Center set.

Speaker 1 So when you guys were designing your show, was that a thought? Being like, hey, we don't need to make it like big green screens and shit.

Speaker 12 Yeah, no, it was, well, well, it's just an unintended consequence, really. Like, we were just broke.
So we just had to do something with the least amount of money as possible.

Speaker 12 And then that solution is just like hanging black curtains from the ceiling. But it ended up being like the best thing that we did because the show travels now.

Speaker 12 And that's how we kind of punch above our weight class with guests is because we can just pop up wherever. So it was like one of the great gifts.

Speaker 12 And I always think like, even if they gave us a bigger budget, I don't even know how we'd spend it.

Speaker 12 You know, like even if it came in, I don't think doing those kinds of improvements do anything for the show. If anything, I think it like undermines or undercuts it.
Yeah, like so.

Speaker 9 You velvet black curtains, you upgrade the material, the shit that's hanging out.

Speaker 12 Maybe, I mean, we could do better with shapes and materials, you know, as we go on. Yeah, I like that.
I like that.

Speaker 1 But it sounds similar to, I mean, you know, the start of this show, we were doing it on Zoom and Skype.

Speaker 1 And a lot of it is like watching people watch from day one where it's not like this big production day one right out of the gate. Because then you can always get bigger.
You can always grow.

Speaker 12 You can all, yeah, you can always get to this point. Right.

Speaker 1 But if you start at that point, people are going to expect things from you. That's like when we had a show for one day, as you know.

Speaker 1 We're like, we don't want a big studio.

Speaker 1 We couldn't afford a big studio, but we wanted it specifically to look like shit. Yeah.
So people weren't expecting it to be some like, you know, beautiful cinematography.

Speaker 12 People root for an underdog, and I think that works for the sets. I think it works for the shows.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Are there any Hot Ones Truthers out there? I was thinking about the interesting thing that that says like the sauce actually isn't that hot they're acting so

Speaker 12 okay well i like that idea and here's what i would say is at this point you know we've had hundreds and hundreds of guests if that were the case you know we don't have anyone sign an nda or anything like you'd think that would leak out and then the thing with me you know i'm a chicken wing talk show host of the highest dignity you know if people switch boards with me i'll switch boards with them you know like i go through that whole thing exactly what the

Speaker 12 little like uh princess bride yeah so i feel like we're fully buttoned up. Like a truther doesn't have an inch to breathe with this show, I don't think, you know?

Speaker 12 But I guess that could be a challenge for you, PFT.

Speaker 1 People get bored.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think like if you don't have truthers, there's still room for the show to grow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right, right, right.

Speaker 9 That's like the last frontier that you can conquer when there are people that are psycho enough out there to actually think that.

Speaker 9 Are there haters? Do you have any haters? It seems like you're the most likable person on the internet.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 12 Well, I'd say the same for you guys. I don't know.

Speaker 12 I guess it would be, I bet we probably get the same thing because we've both been going on for about the same length of time where like the thing that I'd get would be,

Speaker 12 you guys have changed. Like it's like people have gotten more famous or whatever.
It's like, oh, the show's not like what it used to be. Like that sort of thing I kind of get.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 But I'm also not like. Super, I don't really like check on it or like see it that much.
I guess everybody kind of sees their own shit, but

Speaker 12 that's the thing that probably I get the most is like the show's changed or whatever. But I always think that's weird because I feel like the show just hasn't changed at all.

Speaker 12 It's just like the same set. It's, hey, what's going on, everybody? It's this camera, that camera, whatever.
So it's like the exact same show.

Speaker 12 I actually think the better criticism is that we haven't changed enough, but that's probably like the most common one, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And that also, when we get stuff like that, I hear it, or people will say both.
They'll be like, oh, you guys have changed. I think we get more like, oh, you guys are still doing the same show.

Speaker 1 It's like, well, we have fun. Right.
The sports calendar keeps moving, just like your guests keep changing.

Speaker 12 Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 And yeah, like, I think there's something, there's fatigue because we're in such a a weird time in media where everything is new. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's definitely fatigue for any like if you listen to the same podcast over and over every day. Eventually you're gonna be like, oh, maybe I need to take a break.

Speaker 1 But then you might come back and I think a lot of the people come back. So it's like I never take offense when someone's like, oh, I took a break.

Speaker 12 And I think if you do anything for more than 18 months, that starts. Like people started saying that to me in like season three of the show.
And then it like keeps, you know what I mean?

Speaker 12 So then you just you become kind of desensitized to it, I guess.

Speaker 1 Right. And it's also the loudest like vocal minority of people.
Like there's,

Speaker 1 we always have to remind ourselves, like, if people are like, oh, you guys suck now.

Speaker 1 It's like, what about like the hundreds of thousands of people who don't have a Twitter account who are just listening to us and enjoying us every day? Because those exist. Right, right.

Speaker 1 People who don't have a YouTube commenter. They're not a YouTube commenter.
They're watching it. They watch it.
They enjoy it. Then they go on with their life.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah. I guess that's most people.
And then I always think, like, you know, it's not. Like, I just burst through your wall like the Kool-Aid man.
I'm like, here's an episode of Hot Ones.

Speaker 12 You have to click like three things in order to get there. You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 Yeah. Do you read the YouTube comments?

Speaker 12 I like the YouTube comments. You know, like I'm not jaded by it.
I kind of like them.

Speaker 12 When a new episode comes out, you know, on Thursday night, I'll kind of scroll through it and see what floats to the top there.

Speaker 12 And sometimes on like nice classic episodes, if I'm feeling a little down, it's like a picture of like an X I'll look at or something like that.

Speaker 12 It's like I'll go back to a classic episode and just kind of like marinate in it for a second. So yeah, YouTube comment, I like, I appreciate the YouTube comments.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I love the first guys on YouTube, especially the guys that come in like a week late.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Comment first. YouTube comments seem like they're more positive in general than other.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's what I think. Or it just feels close, like connected to the show, which makes sense because it's a discovery platform.

Speaker 12 So people probably find you early on and then they have a connection to it and grow with it.

Speaker 12 So I always feel the YouTube comments, it just feels like people who really watch and like the show, I guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 Tell me like the the backstory of when you first came out because it is one of those genius ideas that I think a lot of people independently were like oh like we should do a show where we put the guests kind of under pressure you you did it first yeah what I know some of it but for our audience like the idea and the first you know test of it and being like oh I think we have something what was that moment so the moment so basically what happened was First We Feast was a food blog text like

Speaker 12 sort of the intersection of food and pop culture. But, you know, in 2015, everyone's like, we're pivoting to video.
Everyone's got to pivot to video.

Speaker 12 so we had to come up with a video product uh we were working in a magazine office similar to this you'd see celebrities walk in the halls all the time so we're like well maybe a celebrity interview show would be viable you know like just for our proximity to it and then chris schoenberger um who's the general manager of first we feast he was like well you know we should do a celebrity interview show celebrity interview shows are boring how do we make them not boring and he was like well what if we interviewed celebrities but had them eat increasingly spicy chicken wings over the course of the interview as a way to to break them down.

Speaker 12 And then I was like, dude, you're a fucking genius. So we started hammering out a pilot and then we shot it with Tony Yayo from G-Unit.
That was our first ever episode.

Speaker 12 And then we just kind of never stopped making them. And I recognized pretty early on that it had potential.

Speaker 12 The first shoot was like machine gun Kelly in a red leather jacket doing laps around the studio, swearing up a storm. And it was so insane in the studio.

Speaker 12 It felt so gonzo and off the wall that I'm like, this is going to translate to video and just be something that people haven't seen before.

Speaker 12 You know, it was just so like I could recognize the hit of it all in that room, but no one gave a shit about the show at first.

Speaker 12 It was actually like, I used to joke with Chris all the time, I'm eating a lot of really spicy food and no one cares. You know, like, I don't know how long I can sit in this pace.

Speaker 12 And then our first real breakout episode was the Key and Peel episode, and that was trending and front page of Reddit and all of those sorts of things. And the show was just kind of off from there.

Speaker 12 There's these like tentpole episodes along the way, but that's more or less kind of how the plane got off the ground. I'd imagine Paul Rudd.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like that, I mean, that you became like everyone uses that gift all the time.

Speaker 12 You know what's funny though is in that moment, I didn't recognize it as anything. Yeah.
And then I've talked to Paul Rudd since then and I remember being like, when you said look at us, did you?

Speaker 12 He goes, I'll be honest, I didn't even remember it when I walked out of the room. He's like, people are just yelling, look at us, look at us on the street.

Speaker 12 And then eventually somebody got to him and be like, oh, have you seen this thing? But I didn't even know that that would be a thing.

Speaker 12 And that's broken containment and gotten almost bigger than the show itself.

Speaker 1 It's perfect.

Speaker 9 It's like a little encapsulated moment, but it was such a small part of that interview because I think it was like 30 minutes long.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 9 And it was in the middle of a much bigger, like connecting bro moment that you guys had where he was telling you, like, you're good at basketball.

Speaker 9 You should have been cut from your high school basketball team.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 9 And when I watched that for the first time, I was like, that's Paul Rudd's a sweet guy.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And then everybody, yeah, they just zeroed in on that one moment.

Speaker 1 Look at us. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Did you you actually feel better after that interview did he actually gas you up you know what i do after a lot of the interviews uh you know counter you know to what you might think they're very positive experiences and then when you mess with spicy foods you can get a head high off of them so it's kind of like you end up in this bizarre abstract place with the guests where you're just kind of in space and i've come to enjoy it as spicy as it is like the twilight hours of an interview are my favorite parts of the hot water interview.

Speaker 9 Has there been a time when like a celebrity comes in and they're doing a press junket?

Speaker 9 They're advertising for a movie or something and their publicist has not adequately prepared them and they're not familiar with the show and they're coming in like trying to give canned answers and battle because that's really a battle.

Speaker 9 The genius of the interview format is you can't give canned answers when you're when you're feeling a physical interruption and how your brain works.

Speaker 9 Has there ever been somebody that tries to keep doing that?

Speaker 12 I mean the early early days I remember I was just talking about this, feeling

Speaker 12 almost embarrassed by the show, you know, because we would seriously have, we'd like, let's say there's a junket, right? And it's at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

Speaker 12 We would rent a suite and then literally just hang black sheets from a suite.

Speaker 12 And so, whoever, like Charlie Stheron, would go to like an elevator downstairs, come up and then walk into this suite with just sheets hanging and the bed pushed up against the wall.

Speaker 12 And then me just standing there with the hot sauces and just being like, sorry, you know, and like they walk in and the publicist is trying to top line it it like while they're walking in.

Speaker 12 And then she's like looking at you like, are we eating all of this? You know, like that. And it's, we've already started off and I feel it's just a tears of a clown sad situation.
Right.

Speaker 12 You know, so that used to happen kind of all of the time. But I guess what's changed.

Speaker 12 And so I think now people walk in with a mindset almost like, you know, how if you'd walk into a Howard Stern interview, it would be a different mindset.

Speaker 12 You're like, I'm doing the Howard Stern interview.

Speaker 1 He's going to ask you now, fuck.

Speaker 12 Exactly. Like, that's not an outrageous question from Howard Stern because you know you're doing the Howard Stern interview.

Speaker 12 I think now a lot of times people come in and then they're ready to do their internet interview of record or whatever.

Speaker 12 So I feel like they come in ready to melt their face off, ready to kind of bear their soul in a way that's unique and go through this crazy experience and have this career spanning interview.

Speaker 12 So, but in the beginning, it was always like that.

Speaker 12 Just I saw publicists deal making and bargaining in real time right in front of me while I just stood there, sat there pathetically in front of the hot sauces and the wings.

Speaker 9 I would watch a compilation of interviews from those early days of celebrities on the junkets that they had to do an interview right after your interview.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 See like the lingering heat and trying to deal with like an actual, okay, back to reality interview with like entertainment tonight or whatever, and they've got hot sauce all over their face.

Speaker 1 That would be awesome. Exactly.
Yeah. Spitting the mic.

Speaker 12 Well, sometimes what they'll do, because Fallon, when we were on 50th Street, Fallon was right across the street.

Speaker 12 So somebody would come in, you know, dress like they're going to dress on Fallon and then walk right across the street to do Fallon after doing hot ones.

Speaker 12 Now we tell people all the time because we were amazed how often we'd be like a 10 a.m., 11 a.m. interview and then they'd have a full day of press afterwards.

Speaker 12 But now we just tell people like, we're like a four o'clock. You want to do us at the end.
Right.

Speaker 1 Right. At the very end.
Who's your white whale?

Speaker 12 Right now, because I just listen to people who yell at me on the street. So forever, Gordon Ramsey was our white whale.

Speaker 12 Like, you know, every time we'd put up an episode, people would be like, where's the Gordon Ramsey episode? Nobody cared about anything that was going on.

Speaker 12 So it's just an albatross going around my neck. So finally, we crossed him off the list.
And then I thought the requests would stop. But now, Keanu Reeves is like one of the most requested.

Speaker 12 He said in a recent AMA that he wouldn't do it, but you know, like these. And then

Speaker 12 who else is like, like, The Rock still hasn't done it. That's like an often requested one.
Yeah. So I guess you just try to.

Speaker 12 I try to work through white whales just so people stop yelling them at me in airports.

Speaker 9 Basically, what about you should get like a child star on?

Speaker 9 Like a nine-year-old just burned their face off.

Speaker 1 Little Tay.

Speaker 1 yeah

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Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw you wanted to have Howard Stern on.

Speaker 12 Yeah, well, Howard Stern, David Letterman, Adam Kroll, and Jimmy Kimmel were probably the formative, most influential broadcasters for me growing up.

Speaker 1 So if you did have Howard Stern on, would you like at the spiciest wing, you'd be like, are you a sellout?

Speaker 12 Well, he would never do the show. He would never never in a million years do hot ones.
Which sucks. And then when you say, yeah, he would probably say, like, yeah, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe. I think he'd probably try to explain away his sellout.
Yeah, yeah. Because he has sold out.

Speaker 9 You should do like a swap with him and be like, I'll go on your show and ride the Sibian if you go on the show.

Speaker 1 I'll ride or Sibian and take on the wings.

Speaker 12 That's a

Speaker 12 trade, you know, fair currency exchange, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Can you say who your worst one was?

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 I think, you know, I wish I had. I wish I had like just a good podcast anecdote for like the worst one.
And it's usually a very positive experience.

Speaker 12 But the one, because I think with interviews, they're like movies. You know, if they're bad enough, they're awesome.
Oh, you know, like the worst ones can be better than the best ones.

Speaker 12 And I think a good example of that is we had DJ Khaled come in super early, and then he tapped out on the third wing, like completely rejected the format of the show like before it even started.

Speaker 1 That guy doesn't eat anything. Yeah.

Speaker 12 And, well, you know what? I remember a memory that I have of that is like walking into the studio and before we laid down the wings or anything, he was already eating pizza. And I remember being like,

Speaker 12 dude, we're about to eat these wings. He's like, I'll be fine.
I'll be fine. You know, and then he was just eating like one of those New York $2, like massive greasy slices.

Speaker 12 So maybe that was the problem all along. But that's like a good, so bad, it's good kind of Hot Ones episode.

Speaker 1 We've actually toyed with the idea, because it is tough because you don't want to bash a guest because then you got you're getting future guests, but we've toyed with the idea of running a worst of, which would be like, no one does worst ofs, where it's like all of our bad interviews just in one episode.

Speaker 12 That sounds good.

Speaker 1 But then you bring up the idea of like people would, you know,

Speaker 1 be like, why am I on the worst of the day? Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Although

Speaker 9 there are a couple that would probably explain.

Speaker 1 One would sue, and then the other, like, Dan Marino doesn't have Twitter. You know.

Speaker 9 Yeah, so Sean, from your perspective, because you are an AWL.

Speaker 9 What's the worst thing about Part of My Take, and what are our worst moments?

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 12 Well, here's a criticism I have, but it's of all podcasts, or all sports podcasts, and I understand it, and listeners probably need it.

Speaker 12 But, you know, it'll be like March, and we're talking about the NFL for like the first 30 minutes of the show. You know, the football, you know,

Speaker 12 like I'm with seasons. You know what I mean? So sometimes.

Speaker 1 I think we actually have.

Speaker 1 I think we used to do that once.

Speaker 1 I think we were too. You're right.
You're right. We had a moment.
It was actually Mike Singletary, Legendary Bear.

Speaker 12 We interviewed him at the Super super bowl and we ran it in like march and people were like what like why and we're like you know what we got to do a better job because i actually think that like one thing i love about this show is that we do talk all sports but yeah you're right there are some times when football will dominate but offseason can i gas you can i say the things i like yeah can i say the things i like well you two seem to genuinely like each other we do you know what i mean and i and i know that you genuinely like each other and kudos to you for making that work especially in this day and age like i can't imagine if I had a Siamese twin with me through this whole thing and making sure that relationship, whatever.

Speaker 12 So I think there's that, but then it's also just the ensemble cast here.

Speaker 12 You know, it's a, you guys play a great role as well, because then I can feel like when I'm listening to the show, that I'm just with my friends sitting here talking about sports.

Speaker 12 You know what I mean? You have like that side of it. And then Grit Week is amazing.
The bets are amazing. Sorry, Max.

Speaker 12 They don't seem to go your way, but you know, you're a good sacrificial lamb for the whole thing.

Speaker 12 From an AWL perspective, it's really interesting.

Speaker 1 He's a great loser. The great loser is.

Speaker 9 That's what

Speaker 9 Checo said that about Max for stopping, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're a great loser, Max.

Speaker 1 Thanks, guys. You're the best.
You are. And you are number one loser.

Speaker 1 You're a loser, loser, loser.

Speaker 9 That's actually like, it's kind of analogous to the show, you win at losing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah. No,

Speaker 9 and I got a lot of experience with it.

Speaker 1 So I'm better. And you know what?

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 12 your value is growing through it. You know what I mean? Like, the further you slide, the more your value grows.
Like, you've inverted it somehow. Yeah, I have thought, like,

Speaker 12 in a bizarro world,

Speaker 9 the Phillies won the World Series, the Eagles won the Super Bowl, and the Sixers won the finals.

Speaker 1 I would be...

Speaker 12 I would be the most hated guy.

Speaker 1 Everybody, everybody would.

Speaker 1 I've had this conversation with Max because it is the weirdest thing at Barstool that you obviously are rooting for your teams, but when they lose, there's a weird silver lining of, well, people won't start just hating me because I'm winning.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's almost like one of our biggest episodes ever was the double doink. And it was like because people just wanted to see me as sad as possible.
That was sad. And like that,

Speaker 1 it is a very fucked up thing to do the mental gymnastics.

Speaker 1 You don't want to lose, but losing is not the worst.

Speaker 1 Again, that sounds like the biggest loser talk ever. But yeah, I mean, I do think our show,

Speaker 1 like, our relationship, me and PFT and then everyone else, like, I listen to other podcasts, and I don't know if there's any other podcast that has two hosts that have been doing it for as long because a lot of podcasts are solo, or there's one like main host and then an

Speaker 1 ensemble. But yeah, I think just us hanging out and liking each other does go a long way because people want to just hang out.

Speaker 12 That's yeah, that's exactly the experience that I have. And I think another way that you can judge a show is like, how good are the vibes on recurring guests? You know, I think that's another way.

Speaker 12 And the vibes are very high on the show. Love the Blakes, became a huge DK Metcalf fan because of the show.
but then i think my proud

Speaker 1 piece of

Speaker 12 and then i think

Speaker 9 the reason why i say that and dk knows this he ducked us on the nfl draft show oh he specifically requested i take time out of my busy day to do a seahawks thing with him on draft day and then he just left new york because he was afraid of me yeah he knows he's scared though yeah he's a bitch he probably won't even come back home the show

Speaker 12 whatever and then the the but the proudest i i am of you guys is when i see you guys knowing where you came from and how you made this work work seeing you interview like the old guard you know it's like the Chris Berman interview to me that's a problem

Speaker 12 those are that was big for me as well

Speaker 9 yeah it's funny you mentioned like the ensemble cast because I think big cat and I've described us before as like sometimes the stern father and the crunchy granola mom on the show yeah and anytime things get stale in our relationship we just have another kid yeah and it saves the marriage yellow and yeah so that's that's actually a good role that max has filled any any latent aggression that we might have towards each other gets immediately redirected on somebody new.

Speaker 9 And if they can take it, then that's really the most important

Speaker 9 character trait that they have.

Speaker 12 The secret to the show's success.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I do love just hearing from other people, too, because, like, I mean, PFT and I have talked for thousands of hours.

Speaker 1 So sometimes, like, yeah, let's have someone else's opinion and then we can make fun of that person. Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Speaker 9 Billy's been talking a lot about how AI's or artificial intelligence is going to take our jobs one day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 I actually think that your show might be AI-proof.

Speaker 9 Because AI can't eat, it can't feel spice.

Speaker 12 It can't feel pain.

Speaker 12 You know, in certain ways, I do think I've protected myself in the format of the show because it also makes it hard to just go out and get another host, too. True.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 So there's always, so I always feel I've insulated myself that way. But am I AI-proof? Right? Because AI can't eat the wings,

Speaker 12 but

Speaker 12 I guess they'll name likeness. they can recreate my voice.
Yeah. But then I'm wondering, too, though, maybe we've like timed AI kind of perfectly.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 Like when it does get to that point, and then we just license away our name and likeness and then just disappear to an island.

Speaker 1 Have the robot. Yeah, that's actually a great point.

Speaker 12 Our job is like just

Speaker 12 steady royalty checks coming on.

Speaker 1 That might be the new pension.

Speaker 1 So I always think hopefully it's AI proof, but then this the basement on it is it's like not not badly timed yeah that is true yeah we've had a good run yeah yeah we've had a good run and then tomorrow would be we could look back on the yeah yeah that was what a ride you know you you did have a quote in an article i think you did maybe it was vanity fair you you've been written up a couple times uh which are always interesting but it bummed me out because it made me start thinking about this show uh-huh when you said like yeah i'm probably i've probably done more hot ones than i will do Right, closer to the end than the beginning.

Speaker 1 And I don't like to think like that, but it's a hard thing to like stop and be like, wait, because you don't know when the end comes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 If I could do this show forever, I would, but like, you never know.

Speaker 12 Right. So, I mean, here's.

Speaker 1 TFT is going to be in an F-18. He might run this after he dies.
Oh, my God. Probably, yeah.
In memory.

Speaker 9 Yeah. R.I.P.
Do you want to say anything nice about me?

Speaker 1 Now that I'm dead?

Speaker 1 But yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 Do you think about that often? Because it is kind of a bummer to think about. But it also, you saying that out loud, I...

Speaker 1 Like, I don't want to sound sappy, but it was kind of courageous because it's like, I'm more of a, I'll just ignore it and be like, nah, fuck, everything will stay the the same forever. It's good.

Speaker 12 It does. It is, it is existentially kind of taxing because I love everything about what I do right now.
I love the people that I work with. I love the show.

Speaker 12 I look forward to Thursdays when the episodes go up, and I just look forward to just watching it. It's just a show that I really like.
And I'm like, king of my little castle.

Speaker 12 And because we've been doing it with the same team since the beginning, it's kind of like a family affair. And then it feels good from an audience

Speaker 12 reception point of of view. And we've been able to go 20 seasons and beyond that.
So, everything about it feels so good. And I don't look around at anybody and wish I had that.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 I don't look at any, I wouldn't switch places with anyone in media, entertainment, podcasting, or whatever. And I mean that.

Speaker 1 There's not another show that I want, another podcast, like whatever.

Speaker 12 Like the thing that I have is exactly what I want. And then I don't have world takeover aspirations.
You know, I'm not Kevin Hart. I'm not the rock.
You know, like, this is all good for me.

Speaker 12 I don't need to be king of the world. Like, I'm just, I like just my little plot of land.
You know what I mean? No, I so I don't even aspire to be any bigger than it is, you know?

Speaker 12 So if I could hold on to this,

Speaker 12 I will for as long as I want.

Speaker 12 And then I've done enough TV, like just enough TV to know that I don't want to do that, you know, like it's just the exact perfect lane and I'd like to stay in it as long as I can.

Speaker 12 And I love doing the show. So I don't know exactly where I see the end of it.
So revisiting that quote, I almost want to step that back and be like, no, you just want to go back.

Speaker 12 And see how long long that can go. But I mean, it has been now over eight years and 20 seasons.
So, I mean, I don't know how much, but I love it and I don't want it to stay.

Speaker 1 It's interesting you say that because we've talked

Speaker 1 all AWLs know that we talked ad nauseum about the BVT thing and everything that's happened. And we always say like it was actually

Speaker 1 the best thing.

Speaker 1 And one of the parts of it being the best thing is it did kind of put us in perspective of like, why are we trying to be on TV when we have this and it's awesome and people love love it?

Speaker 1 Like, we don't need to do world takeover. We don't need to be these big TV stars.
Like, this is more fun than being on TV.

Speaker 1 Cause I do think at the beginning of the show, it was such a rocket ship for us. And we're like, next step, next step, next step.

Speaker 1 And then when we got to that step and it didn't work, it's like, wait, maybe we don't, maybe this is

Speaker 1 right. We're at the top.

Speaker 12 And people like it. You know,

Speaker 12 and then what else? Why do this for any other reason than to put on a show for an audience that cares about what you do? So as long as you have that, that's the lightning in a bottle.

Speaker 12 And then, once you lose that, you're just going to try to capture that over and over again. And nothing says that you will.

Speaker 12 So, while it's in its moment, just appreciate it, ride it, and see if you can put some fuel behind it. Because once that's over, it just might be like over.

Speaker 1 It's great perspective. And I think that people are skeptical of it because they don't understand like saying, I don't want to be on TV.
But like, that's how I feel.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 people just expect,

Speaker 1 you know, media people to always want to go to the next step and it's like no i actually don't want to be on tv and then we'll have to be in a movie after that right and then you have boss for yeah then you have to like take some time away from hollywood and write a play and try to find yourself

Speaker 1 right right right

Speaker 1 when people are like oh yeah you guys are you know believe barcelo it's like do you realize that i've had a company card that no one's asked me a question about for

Speaker 1 like everyone in this room has my card on their uber like no one asked me a question i would never give that up it is it is very nice

Speaker 9 so sean when you were when you were talking about kind of your mindset behind where you're at right now, I don't think I've ever told you this, Big Cat, but Sean and I went out to dinner.

Speaker 9 This is a couple years ago. And I was in the middle of trying to figure out where my contract situation was going to be.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember.

Speaker 9 And I had that same mindset that you had. And it's like, you have to appreciate what you have.
You're in the perfect location.

Speaker 9 You don't have to go out, try to prove anything by doing something elsewhere on your own.

Speaker 9 And the fact that you verbalized that back to me, that made me feel like, okay, so it's not, I'm not just just being afraid of going out. I actually like what I'm doing and I want to stay here.

Speaker 9 So, Sean, you saved PMT. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Congrats. It was a weird time because it was one of those times that, you know, PFT and I talked about it throughout the whole thing.
Right.

Speaker 1 And it was like, we had a very honest conversation where it was like, hey, like,

Speaker 1 we love working together, but we also understand like there's business sides to this that we can't control.

Speaker 9 So it was always like, we were very upfront with each other, but it was, it definitely was weird for both of us because we were like, we want to keep working together but we also know it might not happen right yeah and money doesn't necessarily fill that hole that you said which is like the connection with the audience that you have the connection with the people that you work with people should value that more than money so now i'm not saying like it's female behavior to chase a bag like kissy whitlock said about pat mack

Speaker 9 but i am saying that you have to know what you value and i think we have that same shared value which is like There's something meaningful in the connection that you have with the audience, with the people that you work with, that money will never replace.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah i mean you have a hit show how crazy is that you know what i mean and that's what everyone wants and is chasing anyway and then that'll take care of the other stuff you know your life gets a little bit better when you have a hit show so whatever it might not be the exact dollar amount that you want or whatever but if you have uh an audience that cares then that should kind of be enough you know has there been a big thing that has been offered to you that you've been like no thanks

Speaker 12 yeah i say no to everything you know what i mean like and i don't even really want to add more to my plate You know, like, there's that side of it where everybody wants to,

Speaker 12 you know, fully

Speaker 12 put your hand in as many honey pots as you possibly can and make this thing. But I'm like, I don't know.
Like, there's 36 interviews a year that I like really care about.

Speaker 12 Outside of that, not much, you know, honestly. And then there's not.
a ton that I want to add to my plate either. You know, I spend a lot of time in airports.

Speaker 12 It's a labor-intensive show already, or at least takes up a lot of time. So, yeah, I don't know.
Like, then that's, it's just, everything's good for me.

Speaker 12 Like, right now, I feel like I could take this and make it last for a while.

Speaker 1 Your agent must hate this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, kind of, kind of.

Speaker 1 I don't want to do anything.

Speaker 12 Shout out to Ben. Shout out to Ben.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, there's right. That actually can come from.

Speaker 12 Shut up, Sean. That can come from a couple different camps.
You know what I mean? Like that can be internal, whatever. A lot of people will be like, can you please just do this?

Speaker 12 And, you know, sometimes I do.

Speaker 12 But also at the same time, that also makes me low maintenance. You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 Like, it's like you fix one corner of the carpet, you mess up the other one, you know sort of thing and and right now That's what I think is good that I'm just kind of I'm just kind of low maintenance.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have those moments where I'm like I'll just be like I'm never leaving bar store like why the fuck would I do that and

Speaker 1 they're like we got a shop

Speaker 1 saying that like can you please stop saying yeah, I know you're shrinking his leverage position, you know

Speaker 9 There was a moment that we had last fall where Billy I remember tried the was it the last dab hot sauce? Yes. Put that on the part of my cheesesteak had a Billy style.

Speaker 12 Yep. yep.

Speaker 9 And he absolutely flipped out.

Speaker 1 Like, that's probably, I'm going to ruin my whole night. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How do you deal with the post?

Speaker 12 The post shows.

Speaker 1 Shouldn't you trigger?

Speaker 1 How? How? Yeah.

Speaker 12 I've trained myself like a dog. My favorite part of my week is the post-show, dude.
Because no one can bother me. You know, like, that's the time that they know I'm not going to email back.

Speaker 12 They know I'm not going to text back. I go home or back to the hotel, put on basketball shorts, crank the AC.
It's like Pavlovian to me at this point.

Speaker 12 I've gotten to a point where it's my favorite part of the week. Are you talking about like taking a shit or like the stomach?

Speaker 13 No, just waking up all night, like total ruins sleep, have to go to work the next day.

Speaker 1 You're so dramatic.

Speaker 12 I know. There's no way.
Half of a cheese.

Speaker 1 I know. There's no way you had that kind of a night on three bites of like a cheese steak with some hot.

Speaker 13 No, no, but the thing is, like, when I did the hot wing challenge on Grit Week or every time I do like a hot wing challenge, like it's like, it's a lot afterwards.

Speaker 12 Like, actually because you eat one you only you only eat one wing right right yeah I mean well I mean there's 10 wings in the thing but the way I look at it is like the first five if you don't if you don't have any sort of hot sauce experience like kick or whatever but I always think about it for me to have this cartoon life it's uh once a week eating three spicy bites right yeah but it's the other side of it is like the more often you do it I think the more your biology adjusts to it.

Speaker 12 So I can go from a shoot to Equinox. Like I can go from a shoot to the gym.
You know, at this point in my life,

Speaker 12 it doesn't break my stride.

Speaker 1 So you got to eat more hot stuff as well.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's what we're saying.

Speaker 12 Get your weight up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
You got to train big time. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Do you have do you have like a reminder that you set for yourself after you're done eating? Like, don't. Don't take a piss and use your hands.

Speaker 12 I mean, once you do that, any cross-pollination hot sauce mistake you can make, I've made. And then those are pretty uncomfortable.
So you just tend to not make those again, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 12 But every once in a while, I can catch you. Even if you thoroughly wash your hands, you know, even if it was yesterday, you know, like every once in a while, I can still get you.

Speaker 1 When it gets under your nails. Yeah, yeah.
There's no place to know.

Speaker 12 No, you know what? Never, I've never like thread the needle that way. It's never, like, I've never independence day

Speaker 12 into the pee hole with hot sauce.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 But I got time, baby. I got time.
Another 20 seasons.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's me. That's one.
You see one hot commercial, you're like, I got to do that.

Speaker 9 That's a great way to think about it where it's like Randy Quade just driving a ghost pepper up the date.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I would just immediately where the mind went.

Speaker 9 I would have a no-hands on shoot days, if I were you, I would just wear basketball shorts and then just pull them down, go pants all the way on the ground,

Speaker 1 and then pull them up. That's a good move.

Speaker 12 Maybe I'll take that. I'll take that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, um, well, Sean, this has been awesome. You're a recurring guest now.
All right, come back on.

Speaker 12 I'm in the club.

Speaker 1 I have one last question. I'm sure PFT does well.
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Speaker 1 It's a three-part question. So it's dumb hypotheticals that we all know

Speaker 1 this stuff doesn't,

Speaker 1 the reality is not this. So you don't actually have to worry about it.
It's more like what would happen?

Speaker 12 Thought exercise.

Speaker 1 So yeah, like, what if the sun doesn't rise tomorrow? Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 I mean, nothing, right?

Speaker 12 I mean, we wouldn't. Is that the first question?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the first question.

Speaker 12 What if the sun doesn't rise tomorrow?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, again, we we know the sun's going to rise tomorrow, so it's not a big deal.

Speaker 9 Talk about breakfast.

Speaker 12 I don't know, but the herd mentality of the sun not rising, I think,

Speaker 12 like, that is a tsunami kind of butterfly. Right.
People will freak out if the sun doesn't rise tomorrow. But I wouldn't.
It'd be fun. I'd be chill with it.
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 Sleep in. Like, what if hot ones never happened?

Speaker 12 Then I would be.

Speaker 12 Oh, my gosh. I'd still be doing architecture tours of the Chicago River.

Speaker 12 I'm not good at anything besides what I do.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter because hot ones happened. So you're good.

Speaker 1 And like the last one, I just saw off the top of my head, like, what if Justin Fields isn't the guy? All right.

Speaker 12 Well, let's unpackage this.

Speaker 1 Because, again, we know he's the guy. He is the guy.

Speaker 12 He is the guy. He is the guy.

Speaker 12 Well, you know, here's the thing is being a Chicago sports fan, you're always ready for a rebuild to blow up and take another eight years to give you any kind of hope.

Speaker 12 So I'm like fully practiced and going through it right now with the White Sox anyway. But here's my thing.
Justin Fields, I don't even really understand Bears fans that have

Speaker 12 like the other side of the argument. You know, I'm like, what have you been watching your whole life?

Speaker 12 You know, like those Jay Cutler years, we threw like 22 picks and six or 22 touchdowns and 16 picks. That's the best quarterback play that we've ever seen by far.

Speaker 12 Otherwise, you have like one Eric Kramer Pro Bowl year. And like, like Jim Miller to us is like a good player.
Very good.

Speaker 1 The Jay Cutler year, the best year he had, he broke his thumb because he was making a tackle after an interception just put that into perspective right that was him playing that's what i've seen so i don't like prior to last year i don't know if i've ever seen the bears with my eyes get a third and 12 you know what i mean like like one holding call destroys the whole so like now with justin fields flying around like i don't even understand bears fans who have that other side of that coin opinion okay so i understand it in that i think what people are doing is they're trying to like get in front of it before they get hurt again okay do you know what i mean it's like a cope it's like a cope like, oh, he won't turn out because they don't want to believe in something.

Speaker 1 I want to believe in something. I do too.

Speaker 12 I'm dying.

Speaker 1 I don't want to believe in something.

Speaker 1 What the Bears did last year, even though they only won three games, I don't remember, like, maybe, maybe, obviously, it's the Lovey team that went to the Super Bowl and that defense, maybe the 2018 team, because it felt like that defense is on that level.

Speaker 1 But like waking up on Sunday and being like, I'm excited to watch the Bears play football is not a normal feeling.

Speaker 12 It is not a year-in and year-out feel at all.

Speaker 1 But I do think there are people, and I probably, I've done it every now and then where I'll just be like walking and I'll be like, wait, what if he's not the guy? Fuck.

Speaker 1 And like, this, this, this, like, wave of like pessimism and dread comes, washes over me. And I also,

Speaker 1 week one is going to be the most important non-playoff game in Chicago Bears history.

Speaker 12 In a while. In a while.

Speaker 1 Because it is the Jordan Love, like, if the Packers beat the Bears, then they have all season to be like, ha ha, you idiot Bears.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 12 So, yeah. I think I'm going to go to that game, actually.
You should go. We should go.

Speaker 1 Is it, we can't go on Sundays because we have to work.

Speaker 12 You know what we should do, though?

Speaker 9 Week five, Commander's Bears. Yeah, we go.

Speaker 1 Thursday night. Yeah, we can go to that.
Yeah, yeah, let's do that. I want to go to that.
Yeah, I want to go to that.

Speaker 1 So he's the guy.

Speaker 12 He's the guy, but it would be very bears. It would be bearsy in if he's not.

Speaker 1 I don't. I think this one would hurt the most.
It would this week's start would hurt the most.

Speaker 12 And too, because I'm getting too old, you know? Like, I'm starting to get there where I'm like, oh,

Speaker 12 so they're not going to be good until I'm in my 40s? You know, like, I have no hope until then. You know, I can't go.
That would suck. It would hurt.

Speaker 1 But I'm practicing. It would hurt the most, though, too, because it feels like there's just such a blank slate with the team, the roster, free agents, all that shit.

Speaker 12 All my team's got to start playing better.

Speaker 1 But Jerry Reinsdorf has to sell. I don't know how you do it as a White Sox Ambols fan because he is the worst.
He is the worst. And he doesn't get enough credit for being the worst.

Speaker 12 You know, if I give him the benefit of the doubt, he's a very loyal guy. Or he's loyal to his guys.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 No, not a good. Not too much.

Speaker 12 Not a good quality for a professional sports owner, as I think that we've seen play out. In fact, I was complaining to my dad the other day because I was like, you know what's crazy?

Speaker 12 Take 2005 out of it. The White Sox have not won a playoff series in my entire life.

Speaker 9 Dude, that's crazy to think about.

Speaker 9 Because if you asked me, I'd be like, oh, the White Sox haven't been that bad.

Speaker 1 They won a World Series.

Speaker 12 Yeah, in 2005, take that out. They haven't won a playoff series in my entire life.
And I was complaining to my dad about this. Not to undersell 2005 is amazing, one of the greatest summers of my life.

Speaker 12 Shout out to all the legends.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 I was complaining about this to my dad. I'm like, I'm 37 years old.
They've won a playoff series in one year of my entire life. And he goes, oh, Crimea River, same for me, and I'm 68.

Speaker 12 You know what I mean? Like, if you really look at the history of how sort of oscillating between like mid and being ass cheeks they are, it is like, it like, yeah, it's, it's statistically,

Speaker 12 it defies everything.

Speaker 1 So, it's the, it's the same as like the Bears.

Speaker 12 It's definitely, they are both franchises that owe their fans so much better than they've delivered on in recent history. But the fans are amazing, it's a great sports town, and I'm too deep in.

Speaker 12 I've committed too much, so I just have to stand by my man and ride it out. Ride it out.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a big if, but if Michael Jordan doesn't exist, like Jerry Reinsorf is the worst runner of all time, right, right.

Speaker 1 Like, he, you know, that, like, he really, like, Michael Jordan, he wins six titles. Like, there's nothing really else besides that that he can show for.
Right. And he didn't even draft him.
Right.

Speaker 1 So. Does he pretend to be poor? He does.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I like those.
No, he does.

Speaker 9 I respect the billionaires that are like, I just don't have any money. I'm sorry.
What do you want from me?

Speaker 1 Time's tough. He did a, I don't know if you heard it, but he was like, he was like doing a

Speaker 1 crypto conference or something. And he was bemoaning how he's like, you know, all these teams are selling for billions of dollars.
I don't believe it. Like, the revenue doesn't show.

Speaker 1 It's like, dude, shut the fuck up. Right, right.
Just take your billions and go.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I don't even understand the motivation of like owning something like that, except if you buy in where he bought in. You know, I don't know.
It was like 20 million and now what's that worth?

Speaker 12 25 million and now what's that worth?

Speaker 12 But otherwise, like if you get in the game now, like what's the point other than to win and leave some kind of legacy or something?

Speaker 9 Yeah, you know, if you're one of these old owners, though, you have also seen, like, obviously the value of the team has grown so much over the years, but also just numbers-wise, your expenses that you write out, those have also gone up due to inflation, also, the market just getting massive for professional sports.

Speaker 9 I think a lot of old owners have the mindset of just they hate to spend money, so all they see is like, oh, I'm spending all this money now.

Speaker 12 I didn't spend money. And all of that has exploded, so I can kind of understand the sticker shock.
But if you're not built for that game, then get the fuck out of it.

Speaker 1 Well, it's also like the difference between an owner who is rich and then buys a team versus an owner who bought a team and then got rich because of it. Right, right, right, right.

Speaker 1 So, like, that the same with the Bears. Like, they just, all the, all the McCaskey's money is that team.
Right. So, it, I think it distorts you.
And fuck, man.

Speaker 1 Justin Fields has to be the guy.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that would take care of a lot of this.

Speaker 1 It would. It really was such an inside problem.

Speaker 9 At the very least, he's so much fun to watch. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Like, he's actually in.
His highlight reel is, I love it. He's the guy.
He is the guy.

Speaker 12 See what I'm doing right now?

Speaker 1 I'm talking to myself. I let that happen.
Both of us. We're working together.

Speaker 1 We're working together.

Speaker 1 Look at you guys. Yeah.
Who would have thought? Not me. Best goal of league in the league.

Speaker 1 I am going to just. I have like a file of people I want to dunk on if he ends up like

Speaker 1 an MVP or Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 You've been keeping receipts.

Speaker 1 And I've said this before, but like I now, like anyone who calls any quarterback, like people who criticize Lamar Jackson, like I will take up that fight and like fight for Lamar and Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 1 Like anyone's like, oh, all he does is run. Lamar sucks.

Speaker 1 I don't want Lamar. Shut the fuck up.
These guys are really good fucking passers, too.

Speaker 1 Fucking assholes.

Speaker 1 Well, Sean, this has been awesome, man.

Speaker 12 Yeah, thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 1 We got to have you back on.

Speaker 12 Recurring. It's a dream.
That would be a dream. Yeah.
Recurring guests.

Speaker 1 Recurring gestures. Well, when you come for the Bears-Packers game,

Speaker 1 maybe just watch it with us in the gambling cave. All right, I'll do that.
I'll be just as good.

Speaker 9 You can watch it live in person.

Speaker 12 Are you guys going to be in Chicago by then?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Fuck yeah.
I'll be able to get it.

Speaker 1 I'll be set up.

Speaker 9 Yeah, next week. Summer in Chicago.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Give me some tips.
Beautiful.

Speaker 9 Give me an extra tip about Chicago.

Speaker 12 Take the architecture tour. I'll go on there with you.
Maybe if I still remember my game, but it's really good, but don't go to like, don't go to any tour.

Speaker 12 You got to go to the Chicago Architecture Foundation one, all right? Because that's going to be like a former like architecture professor or something like that. Chicago's first lady.

Speaker 12 That's the one to do. Don't worry, I'll get you sorted.
Okay.

Speaker 9 Which is the one that had a bunch of shit dumped on it by Dave Matthews' band. Was it that one?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll take my chance. Wait, what's your favorite wings?

Speaker 12 Is it Buff Joe's?

Speaker 12 You know, here's the deal. I can never, once this show is done, I can never look at another chicken wing again in my life.

Speaker 12 But I guess like the cancer to Chicago one and they are good like the toons wings Yep, you know toons kind of class is my favorite bird's nest is another one that I kind of recommend because I get that question like when people are in Chicago like I have like an encyclopedic knowledge of wings or something, but those are the ones and then we got to get you wing nuts in Buffalo.

Speaker 12 What's your what's your

Speaker 12 deep dish place?

Speaker 1 Pequads.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you're kind of you're kind of class, you're kind of like old school, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love the, I love Pequads, yeah.

Speaker 9 Also, uh, ah, fuck what's it called you know what's really good about the bird's nest wings every time i've had them

Speaker 9 and there's just steam coming off the wings yeah yeah

Speaker 12 i mean that does kind of sound nice maybe that could get me back into wings all right well sean events thanks so much for see guys

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Speaker 1 Okay, Mount Rushmore time. Today we're doing Mount Rushmore of Guys Not to Fuck With.

Speaker 1 Good one. This is a good one.
This is a spicy one. What, hey?

Speaker 2 Problematic?

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 Why would it be problematic? What's problematic about guys not to fuck with?

Speaker 1 I think it's a problematic if you make it problematic. It's not gender inclusive.
Oh, girls not to fuck with you.

Speaker 12 No, guys is.

Speaker 1 That's not where Billy was thinking. Billy was thinking.
Billy had some answers that were problematic. He had no idea what you were thinking about.
So

Speaker 13 guys is neutral?

Speaker 1 Yeah, guys not to fuck with. We'll do girls not to fuck with after.
We'll do girls not to fuck with later.

Speaker 1 I like that. So that'll be a future Mount Rushmore.
Beautiful.

Speaker 9 Girl with a smashed, absolutely smashed iPhone.

Speaker 1 Yes. Don't fuck her.

Speaker 9 Girl. When I see a girl with a smashed iPhone, though, I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Woman with a minivan.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Girls at brunch.

Speaker 1 Just girls at brunch.

Speaker 1 Just girls at the girl.

Speaker 9 Don't fuck with women.

Speaker 1 All right, we have first pick. So it's going to go PFT and myself, Billy and Jake, then Hank and Max.

Speaker 1 Our first pick, I'll let PFT say it.

Speaker 1 This is the easiest one.

Speaker 9 I think we all thought this when the topic got sent out. Guy with cauliflower ear.

Speaker 1 Done. Yeah.
You see cauliflower ear?

Speaker 9 You turn around.

Speaker 1 It's an absolute red blinking sign that says, do not fuck with this guy. Because you know he's been in some shit.

Speaker 9 That dude in the Oklahoma bathroom would have done well to take note of that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's the universal just do not fuck with this person.

Speaker 1 Okay. Billy and Jake.

Speaker 13 Are you good with the 2-2?

Speaker 1 Sure. Yep.

Speaker 12 God.

Speaker 1 God. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Good pick.

Speaker 1 God is a guy. God is a guy.

Speaker 13 Doesn't matter if he, like, don't take the chance.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 Wait, which guy? Are we talking Old Testament or New Testament?

Speaker 13 Oh, we're talking

Speaker 1 anyone. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Just

Speaker 1 big man.

Speaker 14 Just whoever it is. Whatever you want.

Speaker 1 Just don't fuck with them. I think you have to

Speaker 1 pick a specific god.

Speaker 13 Nope, nope.

Speaker 1 What if someone else wants to do a different god? No, no. The whole pantheon.
Muhammad.

Speaker 2 That's multiple guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, we're taking all of them. Okay.
That is multiple guys. All right, we're going to go with a guy holding a gun.
Oh!

Speaker 1 That's good. That's pretty apparent.
Smart. So.

Speaker 1 If a guy's holding,

Speaker 1 if they have a gun on them,

Speaker 2 if they're holding it, don't fuck with them Okay, like if a police officer is holding a gun in his hand You're not gonna go up and pants them gun guy.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, I would hope you don't

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what fucking with is right would you fuck with the police officer like not holding I wouldn't go like

Speaker 1 English police

Speaker 13 English police without guns?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think if it's in the holster it's a little bit different, but if they're holding

Speaker 9 They're holding in their hand, but it's like what if the guy with the gun was about to shoot Max? Would you not fuck with him and try to take him out?

Speaker 12 Well, you could say that you could say that about any single one of these would you not do the same with someone with cauliflower here definitely not i'd let you die yeah for sure but but gun now no yeah gun i'd take him out uh okay good pick

Speaker 2 uh then we're gonna go with a crazy homeless guy oh okay yeah don't with them don't with them don't engage if they're you know it's you you just don't fuck with them you don't go near them you don't try and talk to them you never know what they're gonna do.

Speaker 2 Stories come out all the time.

Speaker 1 They'll bite you.

Speaker 1 Who knows?

Speaker 2 Who knows what will happen?

Speaker 12 Don't fuck with the crazy homeless guys. Easy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I like to give homeless people money, but yeah, that's fine. That's just the kindness of my heart.
There's a difference between homeless andless people.

Speaker 2 That is being generous. That's not fucking with them.

Speaker 2 Would you go up to them and then give them a dollar bill and then pull it away from them?

Speaker 1 No, but

Speaker 1 that might go viral on TikTok. Think about it like that.

Speaker 2 You keep bringing up these references as if

Speaker 1 the context is fucking with them.

Speaker 13 Crazy homeless guy is different than homeless guy asking

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 about homeless people. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Like in the I fuck with them way.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Buy them a meal.

Speaker 1 But it's guys not to fuck with.

Speaker 2 It's not guys to fuck with.

Speaker 1 It's guys

Speaker 1 to fuck with.

Speaker 12 Billy's right. You're forgetting the crazy part is everything.

Speaker 2 And you're forgetting the not to fuck with part of the entire Mount Rushmore, which is somewhat important.

Speaker 1 We're trying to bend the rules. It's fine.
No, we're not. We're having debate.

Speaker 1 It's called podcasting. If we list off all of our picks, just like list them all off and just keep moving, that would be so boring.
It'd be electric.

Speaker 1 This is the whole point of Mount Rushmore season to have discussion around it. Okay.

Speaker 1 From the guys that brought you God. What do we got?

Speaker 14 The devil. All right.

Speaker 12 We're going to go with Bill Belichick after you fumble.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Good pick.
Get in the doghouse. That is a good pick.
Career's over.

Speaker 1 I think, PFT, we should go with our two here. I like that.

Speaker 1 This one, I'm shocked it got all the way back to us.

Speaker 12 What do you think I'm going to say? I I know exactly. I'm not going to say it because, but I know what it is.

Speaker 1 Don't say it. No, no, no.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I guarantee you. You don't know.

Speaker 2 Max doesn't know.

Speaker 1 You do not know.

Speaker 2 He doesn't. You're right.
Okay.

Speaker 1 The I.T. guy.

Speaker 1 Don't fuck with him. Do not fuck with him.
What was that, sorry? The IT guy. Guy who does the computers in your office.
That's the last person you want to fuck with.

Speaker 9 He knows every

Speaker 9 bit of information about you. He can watch you as you surf the net.
He can get your financial information. He does everything.

Speaker 1 You don't want to be on the wrong side of the IT. He can plant evidence.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Good pick. Okay.
That's a great pick by us.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 9 So for a third big cat,

Speaker 9 I like nine.

Speaker 12 I like ten.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think ten is pretty solid. Nine or ten, either way.
You go. Surprise me.
Keep it interesting between us.

Speaker 9 A guy wearing black Air Force Ones. Yes.

Speaker 1 Good pick.

Speaker 9 Black Air Force Ones.

Speaker 2 Again, I literally just texted Max.

Speaker 9 Well, thank you for complimenting our pick.

Speaker 1 Good pick. No, it's a good pick.

Speaker 1 What did you think I was going to say? Don't say that.

Speaker 9 I know what he thinks you were going to say.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay.

Speaker 9 And it might be on our list. Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I know what you think. Okay, I do.
I now know.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I do. Go ahead, Billy and Jake.

Speaker 14 Just a warning, Billy's not giving me an answer. So I think he's going rogue here.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go. Yes.

Speaker 1 Do it, Billy. Billy, rogue time.

Speaker 1 Billy, how often do you think?

Speaker 2 It's going to be tough when you have to do this stream and you're not even like, you're going to have to come to Chicago to do this stream.

Speaker 1 I know. You're scared of Chicago.

Speaker 13 I'm going to miss my flight. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Okay. Are you going to take the entire city of Chicago, Bill?

Speaker 1 No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 Chicago is overrated crime-wise.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 1 There actually was a funny TikTok of it was MLB teams standings if you did it based on murder rate.

Speaker 1 And the Cubs, I think, were fourth in the NL Central, and everyone on Twitter was like, how is this possible?

Speaker 12 Midwestern bullshit.

Speaker 13 Midwesterners just have such a low tolerance for crime.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's what it is.

Speaker 13 That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 No, like it's not what it is. We don't have to get into it deeply.

Speaker 9 People just don't realize how many people live in Chicago.

Speaker 1 And that it's used as a whole.

Speaker 13 So we're going to go with Albanians.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Good thing.

Speaker 13 Do not fuck with Albanians.

Speaker 12 They, they're like.

Speaker 1 You're saying don't fuck with

Speaker 1 no, not Jacob. You have to bleep that out.
No.

Speaker 13 Albanian. Like.
They took over the hitman jobs for the mafia.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 Now we're getting very racist.

Speaker 1 I was going to say that. Albanians.

Speaker 1 A whole country of people. Don't fuck with them.
Don't fuck with them. They'll even tell you that.
Yeah, they're not all hitman.

Speaker 9 Sometimes they just raise the price of cancer drugs.

Speaker 13 Don't fuck with Albanians.

Speaker 1 Okay. Skrelly's Albanian.

Speaker 9 Oh, big time Albanian. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Huge Albi.

Speaker 2 Doesn't give up those vibes. Huge Albie.
All right, we're going to go with guys who have the higher ground.

Speaker 1 Okay. Good answer.
Good answer.

Speaker 2 That is a good sports stadium. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Anakin Skywalker.

Speaker 13 That's in the Art of War, Sun Tzu.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Sun Zoo.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Agreed.

Speaker 2 And then I'm running point. I'm going to kick it to Max in the corner.

Speaker 1 Let's go, Max in the corner.

Speaker 9 Like a child?

Speaker 1 No, that's where he's. He's like PJ Tucker.

Speaker 2 He's wet from the corner.

Speaker 12 Are we... Did you see my last sex?

Speaker 1 You're just letting me run. You got the ball.

Speaker 12 All right, Callie Teens.

Speaker 1 Oh, those are guys?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Those are teenagers. Correct.

Speaker 12 This is what you were saying.

Speaker 12 Guys?

Speaker 1 Those are teenagers. Yeah.
Are we doing teenagers not to fuck with? Kids not to fuck with? Now Now you're going to get to the left.

Speaker 12 They're just not guys?

Speaker 1 They're teenagers.

Speaker 1 What is this distinct guy here? So you're, you know, 18?

Speaker 1 That's not true at all.

Speaker 9 This was a weird pander pick because it was just basically designed to keep the pick away from big cat.

Speaker 1 I'm looking at our list. It's too bad.

Speaker 9 I don't even think that we're going to take that.

Speaker 1 You should just pick what you think, not what someone else is.

Speaker 13 No, he's trying to get big cat votes to make people think that you picked that.

Speaker 1 It's a little rent-free situation. It's kind of bullshit.
No, I mean, that's true. No, you don't want to fucking the California teenagers.

Speaker 1 Why? Why, Max? Yeah, why?

Speaker 12 Because they're scary. They're way cooler than you.

Speaker 1 Smash you in the head with your skateboard.

Speaker 2 They'll fucking steal your wallet.

Speaker 12 They're all twigs.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 I think that Cali teens have actually gotten less intimidating since we've started doing this podcast.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 now they'll tick tock in your face.

Speaker 1 They can get

Speaker 1 legal weed. Yeah.
You can get legal weed. That's true.
You can do that pretty much anywhere.

Speaker 2 Great pick, Max.

Speaker 1 But before they, okay.

Speaker 14 All right, Billy took his. I'm going to take mine here.

Speaker 9 The Undertaker.

Speaker 1 It's not real, Jake. What do you mean? Well, it is real.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 10 if he rolls his eyes back and does the slash thing, that's the scariest thing of all time.

Speaker 1 It is real. But yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 It's never happened. Billy is so mad at Jake.

Speaker 9 This is great. So mad.
This is real life.

Speaker 1 It would be great to see Billy and Jake.

Speaker 1 Billy is just

Speaker 9 like genuinely upset.

Speaker 1 Very upset.

Speaker 2 Jake, the Undertaker is not a real person.

Speaker 1 Okay, PFT.

Speaker 1 I think this is our draft to win if we just go with the right pick here.

Speaker 9 Okay, so

Speaker 9 I like

Speaker 9 six. I like

Speaker 13 seven.

Speaker 1 I think we go six.

Speaker 9 You want to go six?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 I like six and seven. So if you like six, we'll do six.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's a good roundout.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 We're going to go with anyone named Kyle. Don't fuck with them.

Speaker 1 Kyles are fucking crazy. That's the last pick.

Speaker 1 That's the last pick. Billy, you can try to do this, but you're not good at this.
Dude,

Speaker 1 anyone named Kyle? Kyle? Yeah. Kyle's are fucking crazy.

Speaker 13 Dude, Kyle's low-tee and lives in his mom's basement.

Speaker 1 That's wrong. Kyle drinks fucking monster energy and jumps off random shit.
Kyle Shanahan. No, dude, Kyle don't.
Kyle Shanahan. Don't fuck with Kyle Shanahan.

Speaker 13 Kyle doesn't leave his house because he's like...

Speaker 1 No, Kyle's basement.

Speaker 9 He's all the time. He's in other people's basements.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 you're describing a guy who has nothing to lose.

Speaker 13 Monster Kyle.

Speaker 1 You're describing a guy who has nothing to do.

Speaker 13 He can't get up in the morning because he's lazy.

Speaker 1 Kyle actually. That's how he gets the baseline.
He's drinking monster. A guy who lives with his mom has nothing to lose.

Speaker 12 Zero to lose. I have a friend named Kyle who is the easiest guy to fuck with Kyle.

Speaker 1 Is it the guy that kisses you?

Speaker 12 No, it's not.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, no, no, no, that's another one. Oh, okay.

Speaker 12 It's a different Kyle.

Speaker 1 That's a different guy.

Speaker 9 Dude, Kyle's got the sickest sound system in his car.

Speaker 1 Kyles are just white Turango.

Speaker 1 Your parents tell you not to hang out with Kyles. You don't want to

Speaker 1 get you in trouble. Imagine this.

Speaker 9 Imagine that

Speaker 9 your daughter comes home from school. Dad, I finally get asked a prom.
Oh, who's taking you? It's Kyle.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 13 Because Kyle can't defend her in case of a problem.

Speaker 2 I feel like I don't know how you're going to name a Kyle that's like scary. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Kyles are scary. I mean, you know, Kyle Ringhouse.
Yeah. Boom.
Done.

Speaker 1 Can you stay

Speaker 1 Bower?

Speaker 1 cauliflower here.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Hank, you just said a guy carrying a gun.

Speaker 1 We took a guy with a gun who likes to carry guns.

Speaker 2 Okay, fair carry on a point.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Honorable menu. Chris Kyle.

Speaker 13 I literally had a whole list of badass Francis Nganu, Brock Lesnar, Kimbo Slice, Vladimir Flicker.

Speaker 1 Who is that? Who is it? Brock Lesnar?

Speaker 13 Brock Lesnar. Yeah.

Speaker 13 And Jake chose The Undertaker.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, you could pick specific guys. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, The The Undertaker, if you're choosing.

Speaker 2 Nate Diaz is probably the.

Speaker 2 He actually just choked a guy out.

Speaker 1 Like, Diaz is good for the title.

Speaker 13 I actually thought that was Logan Paul to this day.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Which is insane.

Speaker 9 One of their honorable mentions.

Speaker 1 I had dad with multiple kids under five. I just know that if you see a dad with multiple kids under five,

Speaker 2 don't fuck with him. That was the one we should have taken.
I shouldn't have kicked the ball to max.

Speaker 2 Anyone that has personal security. Oh.
So, like, because people, because those security guards don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 2 Like, if you go up to that person, whoever it is, that security guard will kill you and they don't care.

Speaker 2 If it's like a team thing or they're at a sporting event, like, maybe they're just like punching the clock doing their job. But if they're like a personal security guard, they'll fuck you up.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That was good.

Speaker 1 We had one that was kind of similar to the IT guy, but anyone involved with Anonymous. Chechens? Don't fuck with them.

Speaker 1 You just.

Speaker 1 List off all the countries. No, they're badasses, badasses, dude.

Speaker 1 It's not, it's like they're badasses. Neck tattoos, face tattoos,

Speaker 13 there's a lot of people who get those tattoos to look tough, but aren't actually tough.

Speaker 9 We just had Wu-Tang clan, nothing to fuck with.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 11 Before Coffee.

Speaker 1 Yeah, me before Coffee. Steve Smith Sr.
was our only guy, like singular guy, like that. Any others that were missed? I had the Carl Everett.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 I had why

Speaker 2 he like beat the fuck out of a catcher in the minor leagues.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 Are you thinking of Milton Bradley? I thought of Carl Everett. Milton Bradley was a bad dude.

Speaker 2 I thought it was Carl Everett. There's a video of a minor leaguer turning around and just smashing the catcher in the face.
Oh, that's to know.

Speaker 1 That was Carl Everett. No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Sorry, Carl Everett.

Speaker 9 Along the same lines I'd say.

Speaker 2 I don't know how smirched your name.

Speaker 9 Rough Nando O'Dour?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nolan Ryan.

Speaker 9 Nolan Ryan. Don't fuck with Nolan Ryan.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 What am I talking about? The Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

Speaker 9 Lots of stuff happens.

Speaker 13 But that's more.

Speaker 2 Cats.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, don't fuck with Cats.
Good pick.

Speaker 2 All right, yeah. Sorry, Carl.

Speaker 1 The quiet. I just looked it up.
Player kicks catcher Izzy Alcantra.

Speaker 1 Alcantara. Izzy Alcantara.
Is that who you're thinking of?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess. I don't know why I thought that was Carl.

Speaker 2 I'm going to find what I I was thinking of. Carl Everett, great guy.

Speaker 9 The distant cousin of the Black Air Force Ones. Anybody that's wearing Tims that are older than three years.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 13 Oh, guy with no shoelaces.

Speaker 9 That's you a lot. Yeah, that's you.

Speaker 1 That's just you trying to be the tough guy.

Speaker 13 No, no, that was... But like, guy with actually no shoelaces.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 We should definitely do, because there's somebody that's related to that guy that Big Cat was talking about. And I was like, no, that is a guy that you fuck with.

Speaker 9 We should do a list of guys that you absolutely do fuck with.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we should do that as a list. We'll do that as Mount Rushmore as well.

Speaker 9 Put down the list, Jake.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Good Mount Rushmore.
Everyone go vote.

Speaker 1 All right. Good show, boys.
Great interview with Sean Evans.

Speaker 1 Numbers.

Speaker 9 Season 9.

Speaker 1 Six and

Speaker 1 that was.

Speaker 1 That was. I didn't even have to try.

Speaker 9 Bill, your brain's moving at the pace of a diamond back towards it.

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 How did you, you like I started to wrap up the show and you moved away to like plug in this machine?

Speaker 13 I to do my job and make sure that we can do this this.

Speaker 1 But how did you not like that was

Speaker 12 easy?

Speaker 13 I've given up on 69.

Speaker 1 Okay, great.

Speaker 13 I'm all about 21.

Speaker 1 Also, shout out the guy, what's his name?

Speaker 10 David E.

Speaker 1 David E., incredible, created pardonmyballs.com, which has like all

Speaker 1 the stats

Speaker 1 from all the numbers. We're going to do some fun stuff.
I talked to him. I reached out to him.
Jeff D. Lowe, get your own fucking guy.
Jeff D. Lowe swooped in fast.
Did you see that? No way.

Speaker 1 I saw the tweet. Dude, Jeff D.
Lowe, get your own fucking guy. This is our guy.
This is our nerd. Jeff D.
Lowe treated, man, this rules. What an awesome website.

Speaker 1 I wish I could do this shit with revive movie rankings.net and then make one for the dozen trivia.

Speaker 1 It was like, we basically like found a hot girl at the bar and we're like, I'm going to go take a piss.

Speaker 1 And we came back and GFT Lowe's like, like got her in a corner, like, like, you know, like two inches from her face being like, oh yeah, was my friend bothering you? So that's our guy, JFT Lowe.

Speaker 1 But pardonmyballs.com. Check it out.
Like, I, he was saying that he can set it up that people will be able to maybe submit their guesses with like a time.

Speaker 1 So like we can actually check it and like people can start like actually keeping track of how they do. So it's not just, oh, I got it.
Like they can actually do it on a app or something.

Speaker 1 So we will figure that out for the new the new lottery ball.

Speaker 9 All right, so this dude rocks. He's amazing.
He's created such a

Speaker 9 like visually entertaining product here. I was looking at Hank's his spray chart for his guesses that he has.
Hank guessed, I think, 96 different numbers on his quest to get one ball correctly.

Speaker 9 Remember when you said that you had like a system that you were sticking to, and it was just basically

Speaker 9 guess every number?

Speaker 2 Well, this just goes to show, you know, my organizational skills. Because at one point, I said, I'm going to go one through a hundred, and every day I go one, then two, then three, then four.

Speaker 2 I missed 60, 74, 92, and 97.

Speaker 2 But I was pretty close.

Speaker 9 He almost got all of them. He almost guessed every single number.

Speaker 1 It's incredible. Like, just looking at the, I could look at Hanks.
Like, I'd make a poster out of Hanks. And just having 17 72 times.

Speaker 2 Well, I saw when I saw it, I was like, oh, this is going to be funny. All my scores are going to be lit up because I, in my head, picked every number.

Speaker 1 And I was like, you're a fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 You couldn't even do that.

Speaker 9 Picca, I have a question because I don't know if we discussed this yet.

Speaker 9 I wasn't online that much on Friday. We're doing stuff down here for Premier Rugby Sevens in Austin.
I don't know who won Mount Rushmore, the first one, the first poll.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 9 Do you happen to know?

Speaker 1 We forgot to say, yes.

Speaker 2 Pifty pulled over to chuck the poll. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 We squeaked one out. It was actually.

Speaker 11 He also retweeted it when he said we weren't going to retweet.

Speaker 1 Wait, Jake, who did?

Speaker 13 That's just cheating.

Speaker 1 Wait, you did Pifty? I retweeted it. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 9 I unretweeted it. Jake, you narrow.

Speaker 13 That should be no win for whoever retweeted it.

Speaker 9 I unretweeted it. Jake, you're a tattletale, Jake.

Speaker 1 It was tied

Speaker 1 by 2%.

Speaker 1 Nobody tweeted.

Speaker 9 Criminal. Right when it came out.
I saw it and force a habit. I hit retweet, then I un-retweeted it.

Speaker 1 Lock him up. Oh, so it wasn't at the end.
Oh, my God. No, no, it was not at the end.
Here we fucked up.

Speaker 9 No, it was the second it came out.

Speaker 2 It's literally the two hosts of a podcast versus two producers and two

Speaker 2 third mics, and you guys still have to go through these lengths to win by 2%.

Speaker 9 Why does that even make a difference? I retweeted it right when it came out after the moment.

Speaker 2 It didn't make a difference. Why do we make it a rule?

Speaker 9 I don't know. I don't know why he made a rule, but then I remembered that it was a rule, so I unretweeted it.

Speaker 1 We'll take a self-imposed one-point penalty.

Speaker 1 So we have one point, and you guys have one point. It was like, thank you.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't shut. No, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, thank you.

Speaker 1 Jake, you can't fucking go back on. You just narked, and then be like, no, no, no, no, no, narcing, it's called, it's called sticking by the rules.
Okay, but be consistent.

Speaker 1 Be consistent. Don't nark

Speaker 1 and then be like, oh, I didn't mean anything by it. No, no, no.
KFT, right is right. We're going to take a one-point penalty.
So we have one point.

Speaker 1 Hank

Speaker 1 and Max have one point. Jake and Billy have zero points.

Speaker 2 Did you say that if you guys did that, you get disqualified?

Speaker 1 Thank you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 What did you say?

Speaker 2 Hank? No, I just feel like if I feel like if the situations were reversed, that there'd be a DQ, but that's fine. One point's

Speaker 2 a nice self-imposed, you know.

Speaker 1 He retweeted it for how long, PFD?

Speaker 9 I don't know how long it was up there.

Speaker 2 In fact, to fiction, we said we wouldn't retweet.

Speaker 1 It was angry.

Speaker 9 The instant that I remembered that I was not supposed to retweet, I unretweeted it.

Speaker 1 Put him in the box. How long was it retweeted for, Jake? It was like 10 minutes.

Speaker 2 Hank, you don't know. I mean, that's an eternity.
That is an eternity.

Speaker 1 All right, so what would you like, Hank? What would you like us to do?

Speaker 2 Expulsion. I think the season.

Speaker 9 Shut up.

Speaker 1 Shut up.

Speaker 1 PFT, you got to be better than that. I know, I do.
Okay, tell you what. I will...

Speaker 2 Thank God you brought it up, PFT, on your own to good warning.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why the fuck? I fucking didn't know that.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that video would be this big of a deal.

Speaker 12 I unretweeted.

Speaker 2 Jake up, Jake. Thank you.
That was very cool. Jake is a bitch.

Speaker 1 I'm going to fucking

Speaker 1 fucking fucking stab him when he sleeps.

Speaker 11 He got crushed, but we lost by the...

Speaker 1 He's the law. I'm going to stab you.
No, no, law and order.

Speaker 13 Someone's got to keep it.

Speaker 9 It was anonymous, though. Our names weren't even on it.

Speaker 1 turtles.

Speaker 9 It would be one thing if our names were on it,

Speaker 9 then I'd retweet it, and then it would say PFT as one of the names, and then that would tell everybody what to vote for. Our names weren't even on it.

Speaker 2 Cry to the rules committee, not not the who's on the rules committee, Hank.

Speaker 1 Shut up, Hank. That's you guys.
That's who I'm

Speaker 1 crying to right now. You're just pissed because you suck at golf.
Criminal?

Speaker 9 No. No, no.
We sucked at golf. It was a team.

Speaker 1 Oh, I wasn't talking about you guys playing together. I was just saying, in general, he sucks at golf.

Speaker 1 Can I hit this thing?

Speaker 2 I got to get out there more. I got to track myself.

Speaker 1 Right, right.

Speaker 1 How about that?

Speaker 2 What if I do that? I'll live track myself. No,

Speaker 1 26 would be my number.

Speaker 1 Okay, ready? Minus 21. 10.
No, no, no. Did Hank and them say? Yeah, yeah.
I thought they agree.

Speaker 1 Hank, what'd you say? 60. 10.

Speaker 1 He's never gotten it.

Speaker 1 Is that true? Yeah, people are telling me that now. So, thanks.

Speaker 13 Okay, about to hit it. Is everyone good?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm hitting it. One, two, three.

Speaker 1 I would love to see Bill pull up to a person who's popping in the tails.

Speaker 1 56!

Speaker 1 Oh, I feel like that's been hit a lot.

Speaker 1 56.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah, that just hit

Speaker 11 three shows ago.

Speaker 1 56.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's 56 the most. We did it with Maxoma.

Speaker 1 It was during the Max Foma.

Speaker 1 How'd you pick it?

Speaker 13 Orcas are actually dolphins.

Speaker 1 Killer wheels are dolphins.

Speaker 1 I'm coming to your love up here.

Speaker 1 Don't want me.

Speaker 1 Make me young.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 eager.

Speaker 1 Needless to say,

Speaker 1 I'm all the same.

Speaker 1 But he's throwing it away.

Speaker 1 Look at the light is okay. Say after me.

Speaker 1 It's for better to be safe than sorry. It's for better to be safe than sorry.

Speaker 12 It's for better to be safe than sorry.

Speaker 1 Say gone me.

Speaker 1 Take me up.

Speaker 1 I am eager.

Speaker 1 to

Speaker 1 things that you say,

Speaker 1 just the way I love you.

Speaker 1 Moment I left to remember, you shine away.

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 Be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 Take on me.

Speaker 1 Take me up.

Speaker 1 I'll be gone.