Nuggets HC Michael Malone, Comedian Big Jay Oakerson, Celtics Lose Game 7 And Hank Is Down Bad + Success Finale Recap

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Speaker 1 Nuggets head coach Michael Malone, awesome interview with him. And then Big Jay Okerson, incredible stand-up comedian.
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So an extra long part of my take.

Speaker 1 Remember, we only have Tuesday and Friday this week. So if you you want to save some for Wednesday, you can.

Speaker 1 We have game seven, Celtics Heat. We're going to talk about that game, where Hank's head is at.
Also, maybe someone getting a random smooch over the weekend.

Speaker 1 Who's back of the week? And succession. Finale, series finale.
So we'll talk about that after the interviews.

Speaker 1 So if you haven't watched it, just don't listen to the last 10 minutes of the show because there will be spoilers.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to Part of My Take. Today is Tuesday, May 30th, and the Boston Celtics are dead.
Game seven,

Speaker 1 absolute whomping by the Miami Heat. We're going to get to every single angle.
Hank, Jake, Max, who was a Boston Celtics fan for one game and one game only but pft

Speaker 1 i got to start with you because you have to feel incredible relief for your bet the 10 000 to win a thousand when you bet the heat up 30 and the panthers up 30 cashes

Speaker 6 got to be the biggest relief of all time it was it was an investment big cat it wasn't a bet the mission was always to make 10 roi on your investment it had never happened before in the history of the nba and there's a reason why I didn't do this bet if it was a six-game series.

Speaker 6 You need seven games. You need that extra cushion there to win.
So this all fell into the model. Statistically, it was exactly where I wanted to be.

Speaker 6 It's no different than if we had won game four, that we won game seven. It's 10%.

Speaker 6 Then we collect, we regroup, we move on. I need Carl Nassib, though, to tell me how many times I need to make this bet before I become a quadrillionaire, like the compound interest.

Speaker 6 I don't know how that works, but I'm pretty sure if I take the squarest parlay of all time at 10% ROI, eventually I'll be the richest man on earth.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so I'm waiting to hear how I can, I guess, advance and use my winnings to make more money.

Speaker 6 But, you know, it wasn't about me. It wasn't about the bet.
I actually, I hated to win the bet that way when you had Jason Tatum go down with a sprained ankle.

Speaker 6 on the first play of the game pretty much we don't refer to that he was not going to be himself on defense he wasn't moving at all on offense every shot that he was taking it was like he was he was thinking really hard before every single shot trying to will his way to be able to get a little bit of elevation on any shot.

Speaker 6 So it was tough. You don't want to win that way.
If I could give the money back, I would, because it felt dirty, honestly, winning that 10% that way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's Warren Buffett, the guy from Wolf of Wall Street, and PFT, the greatest investors of our time.

Speaker 1 Let's talk to Hank. Should we, PFT? Should we talk to Hank?

Speaker 6 Well, we can talk to Hank. I don't know if he's going to talk back to us.

Speaker 1 Good point.

Speaker 1 We do not know if Hank will partake in today's pardon my take coming off an L.

Speaker 1 Henry, you're trending on Twitter.

Speaker 1 Some are saying that you ended the stream early. I didn't.
Okay, the stream did end early, PFT.

Speaker 3 I don't push the buttons.

Speaker 1 Fact or fiction. Where are you at mentally? Why don't you tell us how you're feeling? And please do elaborate.
Use your words. As much, the beauty of a podcast is there are no commercial breaks.

Speaker 3 That's true, Big Cat. I'm here as I always am.
I'm always ready to give my takes. I'm feeling very disappointed.
There was a lot of excitement going into the game.

Speaker 3 It almost felt like people from Boston were a little bit too sure the Celtics were going to win.

Speaker 3 Everyone was already kind of counting the Red Sox and Celtics as the first two teams to ever come back from 3-0 before it actually happened.

Speaker 1 Not you.

Speaker 3 I was expecting them to come out. I was expecting them to come out too, you know, anxious or ready to blow the doors off and miss some shots, and that happened.

Speaker 3 I wasn't surprised in the first quarter or second quarter. And then the third quarter, they had a run.
They had the momentum. The crowd was in it.

Speaker 3 They were getting defensive stops, and they just could not make a shot. They had some really, really bad turnovers, a lot of turnovers, I think like 14 or 15, and they just could not hit a shot.

Speaker 3 Obviously, Tatum going down in the first play, not going to make excuses, but that's never what you want.

Speaker 3 And besides Derek White,

Speaker 3 no one was hitting shots.

Speaker 1 So let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 Not to make excuses, because Tatum's injury was real. Like, you could see he was hobbled.
He was not the same.

Speaker 1 But you brought up a point that you thought a lot of people were saying game seven was it was over. Like, you guys were good.
Walk me through Saturday night when Derrick White makes that put back.

Speaker 1 One of the most insane endings to an NBA game with the stakes as high as they could be. You yourself are not thinking we got this?

Speaker 3 Oh, I absolutely did. Oh,

Speaker 3 I was. I was.

Speaker 3 Listen, I said it after game four. It felt like, again, it did.
There was a lot of comparisons to 2004. They got blown out game three.
Then they get it to seven.

Speaker 3 And then in game seven, obviously, that was a blowout. So obviously that's how you felt.
We've been in this way before. And in game seven, we blew them out.
I was confident.

Speaker 3 I felt like we had all the momentum on our side. And we did.
And then our star player got hurt. And we couldn't.
It's not even, there's no excuses to be made. They just missed every single shot.

Speaker 1 Live by the three, die by the three.

Speaker 3 And they died by the three. Game six was unbelievable.
PFT, I I was with PFT. Just

Speaker 3 that win and the day after did

Speaker 3 it did feel like a game seven win. It felt like a series win.
I was basking in it. I truly was.

Speaker 6 I mean, the way that you won game six is almost better than winning the series. That was just such an incredible fact.

Speaker 1 That's true. And coming back

Speaker 1 counts essentially as a win.

Speaker 3 No, see, I said that too. That's the true hard part of being a Boston sports fan that people always make fun of us for.
But we lost a game seven at home to an eighth seed in hockey.

Speaker 3 We lost a game seven at home to an eighth seed in basketball.

Speaker 1 Is there anyone in this room that roots for both those teams?

Speaker 6 Wait, were they both both from the same part of the country?

Speaker 1 Yep. Is there anyone in this room who has just complete ownership of Henry Lockwood? Jake Marsh.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Jake, that guy?

Speaker 1 He owned you? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Can you say it? South Florida.

Speaker 1 Boston. Well, will you say what I just said? Jake Marsh owns Henry Lockwood.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Jake Marsh. Jake Marsh owns Henry Lockwood.

Speaker 3 I

Speaker 3 had all the momentum. I had PFT's really stupid bet and then Max had

Speaker 3 obviously we'll get to it the dumbest video and funniest video maybe in the history of this podcast. And it just sucks so much

Speaker 3 that

Speaker 3 it doesn't matter as much because the Celtics lost a series. If the Celtics had won that series, I would, I mean, I'm still going to relive that video many times.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 If they had won the series, it just would have been so much sweeter. And it sucks.
It's a disappointment.

Speaker 3 As fun as the series was, as fun as Saturday Night was, it's a letdown. They should have been in that spot.
They win game one or two, and then they could have won the series in six.

Speaker 1 It's USA losing the gold is what happened. Yeah.
Because you had the moment. You had the iconic moment in game six.
You had the iconic kiss heard around the world with Max and his bro.

Speaker 1 And all of it gets just kind of erased from history. Except the Max and the kiss.

Speaker 1 That will come up often.

Speaker 1 Do you want to explain it? Yeah, all right. yeah, we could explain it.
So in game six, the Derrick White game, which was insane. Like, I, I, the Celtics almost blew that game.

Speaker 3 That's the hardest part of that game that the Celtics shouldn't have even been in that position.

Speaker 6 Well, if Duncan Robinson makes a wide open three, one of two shots that he had at the end, then we're not even talking about game seven. And by the way, we were wrong.

Speaker 6 We said that game six was game seven. We said that game five was game six.
Game seven was game seven. That's true.
That was a good lesson. Game seven is always game seven.

Speaker 1 That was a true must-win. By the way, next time we have Duncan Robinson on, Jake, remind me to ask him.
I think on that three he shot with like a minute and 40 left, he shouldn't have dribbled.

Speaker 1 He dribbled once, and he was in, when he caught the ball, he was in perfect rhythm to just rise and shoot.

Speaker 1 He had one dribble, and I think that took him out of his rhythm, but just put a pin in that one. But so back to Saturday night.
Incredible.

Speaker 1 It wasn't an incredible game. I actually was sitting on my couch being like, what did I just watch?

Speaker 1 Because it felt like both teams wanted to to lose and it wasn't well played, but it had the most insane ending ever because you had Jimmy Butler terrible for 44 minutes that he played. He played 46.

Speaker 1 Last two minutes, he scores 10 points, gets the three-point foul, hits all three free throws to go up 1.

Speaker 3 Wait a second. It was a two-point foul that Missoula challenged into a three-point foul.

Speaker 1 But then got you the 0.9 seconds back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And yeah, it was a dumb challenge.

Speaker 6 It was maybe the worst challenge of all time.

Speaker 1 Ever. Ever.
And so Jimmy Butler nails all three. Ice in his veins.
Three seconds left.

Speaker 1 Ball out at half court. Marcus Smart turns, misses a shot, misses a three-pointer.

Speaker 1 And Derrick White gets to the rebound where he was like he was the inbounder, gets to the rebound, puts it up in in with no time left on the clock.

Speaker 1 Maybe the most ridiculous ending because everyone was watching Marcus Smart miss and being like, series over, game over, everything's over. And Derek White just snuck in there and did it.
Meanwhile,

Speaker 1 so I'm on my couch, PFT and Hank are watching together. Saturday night, holiday weekend.
We're not streaming. Max decided that content is king, which I want to give him a little,

Speaker 1 if we had Buckeye stickers, we could put on our helmets. Max gets a couple of cameras on his helmet for Saturday night because he had, he could have done nothing.
He could have enjoyed his weekend.

Speaker 1 He could have been at the bar doing nothing but having fun. Instead, he decided to do live reaction videos.
So not live.

Speaker 1 He didn't go live.

Speaker 1 He took the video, then he posted it on Twitter. He posted the video of Marcus Smart missing and Derrick White hitting the shot of him like being happy and then being like, holy shit,

Speaker 1 Derrick White got this in time.

Speaker 1 Mixed in there, his boy, boyfriend.

Speaker 1 Just my boy. All right, I just want to get it right.

Speaker 1 We're about to be in Pride Month. We're about to be in Pride Month.

Speaker 1 That was something I was

Speaker 1 going to say.

Speaker 3 I was hoping it was a random.

Speaker 1 He sneaks the softest, most sensual kiss on Max's ear. It was like the tiniest, littlest kiss.
It was the kiss. It was the kiss you kiss before you get your dick sucked.
That's what the kiss was. And

Speaker 1 not only does Max have that kiss happen, but then he posts the video. Again, no need to post anything.

Speaker 1 And it will live in lore of this show forever. PFT, when you saw it, I mean, your reaction was probably the same as like, I watched it.
I stayed up.

Speaker 1 There's little moments where like I talk about being tired because of my kids, but when I have to actually like break it down, I'm not tired because of my kids.

Speaker 1 I'm tired because Max gets sensually kissed by his boy at 11.30 at night, and then I stay up till 1.30 reading all the replies and people roasting Max. That's why I'm really tired.
That's the problem.

Speaker 6 So first of all, what was Max doing even filming himself for this? Like, I agree with you. I'm glad that it happened.
Max is not, he's not a Heat fan.

Speaker 6 He's just trying to claw back a little tiny bit of self-respect after having to shave his face because Hank beat him. So, he starts live streaming.
He's not live streaming.

Speaker 6 He takes the video and he's getting his loser stench all over the heat. I was so fucking mad at Max for putting his loserness and the entire Philly sports fan thing onto the Miami Heat.

Speaker 6 Completely fucked everything up at the end. He had no business doing that.
I'm glad.

Speaker 1 Again, I'm glad what happened tonight.

Speaker 6 I'm glad he didn't. So tonight, we had a little word on the part of my take text thread before.

Speaker 1 We're in the same thank you yet.

Speaker 6 And thank you, Max. I asked Max to start rooting for the Celtics because I can't have him rooting for Miami.

Speaker 6 I need him rooting for the Celtics in order to fully support our friend Jake in the Miami Heat. And yeah, maybe my $10,000, I almost said the B-word, investment that I had.

Speaker 6 But Max, it was...

Speaker 6 I just couldn't believe what I saw. I was like, why is Max, why is Max doing this? Why? It's he all-time on force error putting that up? But again, I'm very glad that it happened.

Speaker 1 Yes, and Max did do a phenomenal job of being a Celtics fan tonight. His last tweet tonight was, damn, thought we had it always next year.

Speaker 1 Hashtag Boston Celtics, which I don't think I've ever seen anyone hashtag the entire team name.

Speaker 1 But hold on, timeout, timeout. I'm going to take a Eric Spolstra timeout where he just walks on the court and demands a timeout, which is the most power move of all time.

Speaker 1 I realize what just happened here. Hank just did a really good job of deflecting what was going to be the sadness of Hank onto Max, which I'm happy we took that detour.

Speaker 1 But why don't we go back to Hank? I do.

Speaker 3 After me, I need to hear from Max. I need to hear about the next morning or like when it set in that, you know,

Speaker 3 he took a video of his boy kissing him on the cheek. Did you know the kiss happened?

Speaker 1 I don't think I knew that the kiss happened.

Speaker 2 It was very soft. It was a very

Speaker 1 sensual. It was so sensitive.

Speaker 2 It was a very soft kiss.

Speaker 1 It was like, babe, let's get an Uber and get out of here.

Speaker 2 Number one, I don't really know why I was taking those videos. I think in the moment, I was like,

Speaker 2 it had the makings of an epic Boston collapse.

Speaker 2 Part of that made it feel like it was going to be a win for me. And I was like, I need to capture this moment

Speaker 2 of this win. Like, I don't get these often.

Speaker 1 and then it

Speaker 1 wouldn't have gotten it it wasn't your team I know no but it but they're

Speaker 1 I know how big of a loser you are you know what this does max max is to Hank as big cat is to Aaron Rodgers yeah yes yeah you were trying but you can't celebrate until the banner's raised I know and then I took that video and I can't even tell you if I remember the kiss or not

Speaker 1 the kid oh you'll never forget that so then yeah walk me through the next morning yeah what did did the guy say? No, I mean, when did you realize instantly what you had done?

Speaker 2 It started to blow up, and I was like, do you understand what you just did?

Speaker 2 And he's like the guy in my friend group who's just always, he's just the bit guy.

Speaker 1 He's always kissing you.

Speaker 2 He's just always doing.

Speaker 1 He's like jerking you off, like doing weird shit. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy.
Yeah, yeah, he's that guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I had to post a video. It was a funny video.

Speaker 1 I didn't have to post a video. What did he say after? Did he explain the kiss? Did he say anything?

Speaker 2 No, he still hasn't given me an explanation for why he did it. I think he just saw that I was recording.

Speaker 1 And kissed you. And then, like, it was like, it'll be so funny if I,

Speaker 2 in his mind, ruined this video with a kiss. And he did.

Speaker 1 He made the video.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but he did the opposite.

Speaker 1 In your eyes, he did. Oh, he's a hero.
Like, I want him on the show. I want to talk to him.
Sounds shit behind backs. Yeah, he wants to kiss you.
I want to just,

Speaker 1 like, how much reasonably does he, like, does he do well?

Speaker 1 What? Like, does he do well in his profession? Yeah, he's great

Speaker 2 residential real estate.

Speaker 1 Okay. But I'm asking, like, like,

Speaker 1 what do PFD and I have to put up to have him just walk behind you and kiss you all the time?

Speaker 2 That's a good question. I'd have to.

Speaker 1 Mid-six figs?

Speaker 6 Have you ever kissed him back?

Speaker 2 Obviously, not.

Speaker 1 I didn't even. Well, no, that's not obvious.
That is not obvious.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait, wait. Very much.
Is it not the first time they've ever kissed you?

Speaker 2 It also makes it worse that he looks so much similar to me, but just a better eyebrow.

Speaker 3 Much better eyebrows.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 His eyebrows are insane.

Speaker 1 He gets those eyebrows done. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'll put that out there to the world. He gets those eyebrows professionally.

Speaker 1 Oh, you can tell.

Speaker 1 First thing I notice before the kiss.

Speaker 1 He's just got great brows.

Speaker 6 We should go back to Hank, though, for a second.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, we should go back to Hank for a long time.

Speaker 6 I do have some questions for you, Hank.

Speaker 1 Yes, I do, too.

Speaker 6 Hank, would you have rather gotten swept or lost game seven in heartbreaking fashion at home after thinking that you were about to win game seven and complete really like the

Speaker 6 Red Sox

Speaker 6 Patriots Super Bowl 28-3, like the Boston Triple Crown of comebacks?

Speaker 3 I would have rather lost game seven.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'll go question. Hank, do you regret any of your actions, notably being silent during losses and a cocky asshole during wins?

Speaker 3 No, that's I mean, this is just that's that's fan fiction made up by you. I've never been that

Speaker 1 I've been on every stream. I think the fans

Speaker 3 have answered on every single podcast. I'm happy when they win.
I'm sad when they lose. If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.
I don't know what you want me to say.

Speaker 1 Sad/slash mute.

Speaker 3 What does that mean? Was I sad slash mute tonight?

Speaker 1 No, because you knew the fire was on. You knew you had to show up.
Well, you did end the stream early.

Speaker 1 Next follow-up question.

Speaker 3 That was a biased question.

Speaker 1 That was a projection. Objection.
I wasn't biased.

Speaker 6 I was just asking a question. It's just factor fiction.
The leading question. Your words per minute are higher after a win than after a loss.
Leading question.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Where do the Celtics go from here? Because I'll just throw a couple things out there. Al Horford is old.
Yep. Great, great player, great career.

Speaker 1 But you saw it like in the series. You didn't know some nights he just was old.

Speaker 1 And then he would all of a sudden, Al Horford has this incredible knack of like being like 25-year-old Al Horford. When he, did he block Jimmy Butler at the rim? Like, insane shit.

Speaker 1 Al Horford's old. Jalen Brown does not know how to dribble.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's something he's going to learn.

Speaker 1 And then, I mean, Jason Tatum, obviously, I think Jason Tatum probably smells the best coming out of this run just because he did have moments where he was the alpha and he did get injured in this game.

Speaker 1 But where do you go? And Marcus Smart. I don't know.
Do you keep rolling out the same thing year after year and not getting over the hump?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, the Jalen Brown thing is interesting just because of the Super Max.

Speaker 3 Like, if they give him the Super Max, then, you know, him and Tatum will be by far the most paid two players in the whole league.

Speaker 1 He can't dribble.

Speaker 3 That was tonight when Tatum gets injured. You kind of need...
Jalen Brown to go off. He tried.
He took a lot of shots. He didn't make a lot of them.

Speaker 3 And yeah, he was just a lot of turnovers, a lot of turnovers.

Speaker 3 He's so young.

Speaker 3 The Super Max thing is where it gets complicated.

Speaker 3 I think you explore. I think there's some exploring that has to be done.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Coaching.

Speaker 3 I think you have to look at the roster. I don't think you touched Tatum.
I really don't think you touched Aylen Brown. But if they can figure something out,

Speaker 1 do you think he learns how to dribble eventually? Because this did happen last year, too.

Speaker 3 It did happen last year. The free throws happened last year.
The free throws happened this year.

Speaker 3 That's what's tough when you're this young of a team, but it's almost like

Speaker 3 the magic with Shaq and Penny. It's like, why would you split them up just because they're so young?

Speaker 1 Like, they're so young.

Speaker 3 They went to the finals. They went to the Eastern Conference Finals.
They went to Game Seven.

Speaker 3 Obviously, two disappointing years, but

Speaker 3 you're going to blow it up with two NBA all-star players that are both under 26.

Speaker 1 No, you're in a weird spot because the Celtics, if you roll out the Celtics exactly the same, they're still a top five team in the NBA. I think that's confidently you can say that.

Speaker 1 They have two incredibly talented young guys, but there does feel like it's like running into a brick wall a little bit without at least some tweaks to the roster. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, switching a coach, too. That's obviously

Speaker 3 the same coach.

Speaker 1 Who knows? That would be the fourth different coach in four years, though. And at some point, you got to be like, maybe it's the players.
Although Eme obviously didn't get fired.

Speaker 1 Well, he did, but that was weird. He would still be the coach if he could just not fuck.

Speaker 6 Right. So if the Celtics had come back, taken game seven, gotten to the finals, and had a respectable showing in the finals, like won two games against the Nuggets,

Speaker 6 there would be chatter about keeping Missoula. They're making the decision for you.
You're going to fire Missoula this offseason. So that's kind of a win right there.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think Brad likes him.
Yeah, and I, so Missoula's been obviously criticized a lot,

Speaker 1 but if you actually put up his resume next to Imei Odoka, it's not that dissimilar.

Speaker 1 Like they went, I think what the Celtics last year, they swept the Nets in the first round, then they went seven, then they went seven, and then they got they lost in the finals.

Speaker 1 I mean, this year, obviously, they went six in the first round, but they seven and seven. They came up short tonight, but it wasn't like I think, I think, what Missoula won more regular season games.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, like, if you look at it just objectively, both resumes, they're very similar, and the team is obviously very, very talented. So, maybe he's the fall guy.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 Well, I'm looking at it like Ryan Day Urban Meyer is Joe Missoula. So I don't think you could, like, if Eme Odoka is coaching this team, I think that they win the series.

Speaker 6 I don't think that that's unreasonable to say that he's worth at least one extra game in a playoff series like this.

Speaker 1 Although Missoula got him back from down 3-0, like that also happened, right? Like that.

Speaker 1 I think that if they got swept, it's a no-brainer because it felt like if they had given up in game four and it's like, clearly, this is not working.

Speaker 1 but to be that close to history like he did something right in the last three games

Speaker 6 yeah yeah i mean they they did win three games in a row like i i i think it's not as cut and dry obviously as it would have been but i still think like the way especially that they looked like they were giving up at the end of game three was bad That's a position where like a good coach can at least drag effort out of guys.

Speaker 6 In game three, when you're looking like you're about to go down 3-0 in a series that you should win, that you're a big-time favorite to win.

Speaker 6 I think a decent coach at least gets some effort out of those guys at the time. I'm just saying, like, if I were Hank, I would want to fire him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 Hank, if you're Brad Stevens, you are Brad Stevens for a day. What do you do?

Speaker 3 I explore.

Speaker 1 You spend the whole day exploring? Yeah, so like Max on the Jersey Shore on a Saturday night. Yeah.
Just explore. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I started trying to connect some dots, see what pieces what we can do. If

Speaker 3 there's a good move, you make it, but you don't have to force anything.

Speaker 3 I don't think

Speaker 3 they don't have to force anything. Like you said, if they come back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're a top five team. Yeah.
Yeah. No,

Speaker 1 it's a weird spot to be in if you're like

Speaker 1 know that you have a chance to be competing for titles, but also know that something is a little off, that something needs to change a little bit to get over that hump.

Speaker 3 It's got to make shots.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a make or miss league. I have a couple more questions for Hank.
Do you have a couple more, PFT? You have any more for Hank?

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, I've got a couple more. Okay, go ahead.
Okay, Hank, do you think that Jimmy Butler is Michael Jordan's son?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 6 But not his secret child. Why?

Speaker 3 I mean, anything's possible, I guess.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 6 So it's possible. So you're not.

Speaker 1 There's a 0% chance. No.
Okay. So there's a chance.
Billy just perked up. Billy's going to be like definitively yes.

Speaker 9 No, no, I was researching this over the weekend. There's some very interesting pictures of his mother with Michael Jordan around nine months before his conception.

Speaker 1 There was pictures of his mother with Michael Jordan? Yeah. I see those pictures.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that was the craziest part. Okay.

Speaker 6 Did you find these in the same website that you saw pictures of Mother Teresa with Dr. Fauci?

Speaker 1 I was going to say, I haven't seen these pictures, but I'm going to trust you, Billy, at this one moment, at this juncture. What other questions you got for Hank?

Speaker 6 That was really the only last one that I had for him. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 Do you think maybe you would have won this game if Jason Tatum had painted red paint onto his ankle after he hurt his ankle?

Speaker 3 No, I wish.

Speaker 3 I don't know what the difference between the NFL and the NBA is, but Patrick Mahomes fucked his ankle up, and he went into halftime, and they juiced him up with some of the strongest shit ever.

Speaker 3 He came out and he was fine. I was hoping that at halftime, like, that they were going to, you know.

Speaker 3 make that same call, get him that same juice, and he looked more hurt in the second half than the first. I was really hoping for some halftime, like

Speaker 1 a miracle. Yeah.
It is. Jimmy Butler did turn his ankle, like, by my count, 700 times in the last five weeks.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Maybe Jason, like, he did look very injured.
I will say that. Like,

Speaker 1 you can't be like, oh,

Speaker 1 he looked fine, and he just didn't show up. Like, he looked injured.
I just don't. We see sprained ankles a lot, and it's game seven.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That's what? What's wrong with what I said? I don't.

Speaker 3 It sounds like you're trying to downplay the injury or say, like, I'm just, it's game seven.

Speaker 1 Leave it all out on the floor.

Speaker 1 He literally did.

Speaker 6 I simply would have wanted it more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would have, I would have taped up my ankle and been like, I'm good to go.

Speaker 6 I think Jimmy Butler's ankle wanted it more than Jason Tatum's ankle.

Speaker 1 One thing about me and PFT, if we turn our ankle, we don't come out of a game seven. No, PFTK walks without breaking his phone.
You'd have to kill me.

Speaker 6 You would have to kill me like a racehorse out there.

Speaker 1 Okay, Hank, my other questions. Where's your sadness at right now? Give it to me.

Speaker 3 Out of 10?

Speaker 1 You've talked some shit.

Speaker 3 I have talked some shit, and like I said,

Speaker 3 you can't enjoy game six, really.

Speaker 3 I would say it's probably an eight.

Speaker 1 Eight? Eight out of ten?

Speaker 3 Yeah. I mean, the

Speaker 3 first of all, you expect them in the beginning of the series to go to the championship. Like, that's an expectation.

Speaker 3 And then obviously.

Speaker 1 You did have the quote that you went and scouted the Eastern

Speaker 1 Conference second round semifinals, the Knicks and the Heat being like,

Speaker 1 How do we lose to either of these teams?

Speaker 3 I said it's hard not to watch these two teams and not think about the finals, which was fair. The game was trash,

Speaker 3 and so you expect to win the series before the series starts, and you go down 3-0. And then, when it's like, we can do this again, 28-3, 2004, Red Sox, 2023, Celtics, this would be amazing.

Speaker 3 Max got kissed, this is going to be so funny.

Speaker 3 He did get kissed. It went, you know, it's a double, it's a double, it's a double sadness.

Speaker 1 What about,

Speaker 1 is there a feeling like, because you going into this game, you had the same feeling of like, you're going to do it because you've done it. Now the shine is off a little.

Speaker 1 Does it give you hesitation next time you're trying to do something like this? No. No? No.

Speaker 1 So you're unflappable in that regard. Yeah, you got to fight.
Okay. There's no loser creeping in your brain.
No.

Speaker 1 Again,

Speaker 3 it'd be one thing if they lost, or it'd be one thing if

Speaker 3 they obviously got killed.

Speaker 1 Well, they got killed, but they got killed tonight.

Speaker 3 They beat themselves. they did not play

Speaker 3 a game that you needed to play in game seven to win like it wasn't even the like the heat heat just hit their shots the celtics missed everything they had good they had in the first half they had way better opportunities and they just they missed everything everything you know what's crazy just a little saber metrics it's been over four years since hanks had a parade

Speaker 1 damn it's a long ass time that's tough it's a long ass time um we should talk about the heat we should give the heat some shine And Jake,

Speaker 1 well, let's start with you, Jake. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you've got to be feeling very conflicted right now. On one hand, the Heat won and PFT won his bet.
On the other hand, Hank lost, and he's your friend. So you kind of don't wish you had this, right?

Speaker 1 Nope, this is the perfect scenario.

Speaker 6 You know why? Why?

Speaker 2 Because the Heat are in the NBA finals, and...

Speaker 2 The door is still open to play golf with Hank this month.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 2 Spending a lot of time together throughout June.

Speaker 1 So it's a perfect world. So you should call him a loser.
You're a loser. Oh,

Speaker 1 he gave him the point. He gave him the points.

Speaker 1 Does that hurt? That hurts. This is perfect.
We're going to be spending, we're going to be on the road a lot.

Speaker 1 Look at that. Even better.
This is great.

Speaker 2 We're going to be playing a lot of golf together and the heat still won.

Speaker 1 Jake is back. Jake is back.

Speaker 6 Perfect. What's awesome?

Speaker 1 It was his notes.

Speaker 6 Is that in this moment, Jake is being super extra polite to Hank by trying to tell him, hey, listen, we experienced all these wonderful times together.

Speaker 6 But Jake doesn't realize that Hank's going to hate that because you're going to be a reminder of how much you dominated him in these entire playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because they're going to go out and golf. Like, what do guys talk about when they golf? Sports.
Sports. NBA Finals going on.
What are we going to talk about? So it all worked out.

Speaker 1 Jake, did you shake his hand?

Speaker 2 Yeah. He actually initiated it.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was good sportsmanship. Look at you.

Speaker 3 Jake earned it. I mean, he had to battle off you and Max.
That's not an easy thing to do. What?

Speaker 1 Jake, what was I doing?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 I'm talking about PFT.

Speaker 6 Oh, my eyes are up here. You were looking at Big Cat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're looking at me.

Speaker 3 Sorry. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he did have to battle off. Although Max put on a game seven performance to the agent.
Are you upset at Max at all?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 1 Okay, Max, what do you think the fixes are for your Celtics?

Speaker 3 I can't describe, again, it sucks because they lost, but

Speaker 3 the joy that that video brought me, just the fact that he posted it in the first place, was just really gave me a lot of laughs on Sunday.

Speaker 1 Max, what are the fixes for your Celtics?

Speaker 2 First is stop talking about that video because Celtics lost and it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's the first,

Speaker 1 though. But you lost, so it's fine.

Speaker 2 First, you got to blow it up.

Speaker 1 You got to blow it up.

Speaker 2 How many times can you get close? I mean, as a Celtics fan,

Speaker 2 I cannot stand watching this team get so close year after year and then falling short.

Speaker 1 It's bullshit.

Speaker 2 You didn't even shoot 40% from the field in game seven to go to the finals?

Speaker 7 Bullshit.

Speaker 1 I can tell Max is very upset. He's not wrong.

Speaker 3 The blow-up part is wrong.

Speaker 2 I mean, you got to do something. We've got to change something.

Speaker 2 This is Boston. We're about winning championships in Boston.

Speaker 1 All right?

Speaker 2 None of this close shit.

Speaker 6 Next year, though, we're supposed to be Title Town, Max.

Speaker 2 We are supposed to be Title Town.

Speaker 1 That's the thing.

Speaker 1 What are they perfect?

Speaker 2 That's the one thing about Boston is we're fucking Title Town, baby.

Speaker 6 It'd be so perfect if the Celtics listened to Max's advice and did some drastic moves, blew the team up, but made great moves and then came back and beat the fuck out of the six.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 This guy knows ball. This is the Central thing.
This guy knows ball. All right, so let's talk about the heat, though.
That was, I mean,

Speaker 1 I, for one, thought the Celtics were going to win game seven because I like

Speaker 1 you can't have a more devastating game six ending and have it be 3-3 after you have all these chances to close it out.

Speaker 1 I did think, though, when Spolstra came to

Speaker 1 the press conference after game six, and he was like, it actually sounded like

Speaker 1 the dude online who's like trying to sell real estate or 10x or whatever. We were like, you don't even believe this bullshit.
He was like, it's just great competition.

Speaker 1 Like we look forward to being able to compete one more time.

Speaker 1 As crazy as it sounds, though, like it was smart of him because you have to just essentially just pretend none of that happened and go play game seven.

Speaker 1 Whereas, like, I know personally, if I were the coach of the team that had just lost like that, and it was 3-3, I'd have been like, it's over. We're dead.
We shouldn't even show up. Fuck this.

Speaker 1 Like, this is all bullshit. And cry into a little puddle and just melt away as all the reporters try to ask me questions.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, I mean, Spolster definitely deserves credit. I think they said that he's been to the finals six of the last, what, 15 years? It's crazy.
In the NBA.

Speaker 6 It's a crazy thing. Now, obviously, some of those were LeBron James and Dwayne Wade on your team, but

Speaker 6 he's a great coach, but

Speaker 6 he gets some credit, but Caleb Martin gets most of the credit tonight. So Caleb Martin was just unreal.
I think

Speaker 6 he was the worst of the Martin twins, right?

Speaker 6 I think his brother got drafted. Caleb didn't.
But then Caleb now is about to make like $100 million just based on this series. It's insane what he was able to do out there.

Speaker 6 One fun thing about him, because I know you used to watch his games when he was on Moscow.

Speaker 1 Musk Plus. Yeah.

Speaker 6 He was a double wolf pack. He went to NC State.
He was on their wolf pack.

Speaker 1 He went wolf pack to wolf pack in college. Yeah, he's awesome.
He like

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 1 remembering from watching those Nevada games, like I would bet on him, and they would always make it thrilling.

Speaker 1 And the fact that they would be down and then they would just start reigning threes and the Martin brothers would get going. He was incredible.

Speaker 1 He was the best player on the court for long stretches of this game and the series.

Speaker 1 There was a moment where it was like legitimately Caleb Martin versus Derek White because Derrick White did was like he tried to will the Celtics back into this game. But yeah, the heat, like, I,

Speaker 1 I just don't, like, as much as you like want to give them, I don't know how to give them the proper credit for, because like at one point they kind of blew this, but to be able to get off the mat in game seven and have that kind of performance was incredible.

Speaker 1 Like, they looked so gassed. Jimmy looks so gassed.
So, like Derrick White, at the beginning of this series, Jimmy was eating him alive. By game six, Derrick White was completely shutting him down.

Speaker 1 You thought like there's no way the Heat are going to be able to win this game. And what they showed tonight, Heat Culture,

Speaker 1 it's as thriving as thriving could be. There's never been a worse call than when I said Heat Culture was dead.

Speaker 6 Yeah, very much alive. I just think that the Heat are, you can't even, you don't need to say undrafted when talking about the Heat anymore.
They're just good.

Speaker 6 They've just got a lot of really good players. They developed the fuck out of them.
Somehow they've got a great system in place for that, but they're just good and they scare me a little bit.

Speaker 6 As, you know, if you're, if you're watching the Nuggets and you're rooting for the Nuggets, which I think that we are, with the exception of our darling Jake,

Speaker 6 the Heat should scare you. It's not about them being a fluke anymore.
It's not about anything weird going on. They're not getting like lucky breaks here and there, although obviously Tatum's.

Speaker 6 injury on the first play of the game that was a good break for the heat but the heat are just a fucking good basketball team all around and they've got guys that step up when their stars aren't playing well.

Speaker 6 And I'm a little bit afraid of the Heat in the finals. As a longtime three-year Nuggets fan, they scare me just because they got some bullshit going on.

Speaker 1 And they, like,

Speaker 1 what was the stat we had it a while ago where they like the amount of games that they've won being down 10 in these playoffs alone, I think eight or nine of them, like Duncan Robinson even.

Speaker 1 Duncan Robinson.

Speaker 1 That game six, he misses two wide open threes that could have put the heat in the NBA Finals and then he comes back tonight and and hits some big big shots like the entire team is just completely unflappable and there's nothing that can bother them and I I do think it starts with Spo and Jimmy Butler and Jimmy Butler did show up tonight where it looked like he had ran out of gas and he had one last push and yeah I mean Jake what what did we miss the heat are fucking good It's true culture winning this game because

Speaker 1 pretty much Hank is disgusted by this.

Speaker 2 pretty much any other team like you said big cat i don't know how you physically bounce back from as devastating as a loss as you experienced in game six look at uh when the ray allen shot the next game like

Speaker 2 the spurs fought but we knew the heat were winning that game i i really thought the celtics were going to win this game just based off momentum but that's culture culture spo spo

Speaker 2 right after they lost game six he's like we want to tip this thing off right now like right they were not backing down. I knew they wouldn't lay an egg, but I didn't expect this.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hank?

Speaker 3 Me neither. Culture.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Tatum got hurt.

Speaker 1 Tatum got hurt.

Speaker 6 Why did the Celtics not have Kevin Millar, Bill Miller, Eucalys, David Ortiz, Tim Wakefield, Johnny Damon? Why weren't all those guys sitting courtside for this?

Speaker 2 Johnny Damon was out a game or two ago.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was a miss. I thought

Speaker 3 they were going to roll now, too. I don't know if they weren't around or they couldn't make the trip, but.

Speaker 1 Do you think the game goes different if you and Dave are sitting on the wood? Because Dave had a hundred and four fever, so he couldn't make it to the game.

Speaker 1 You got to think that things go a little different.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you never know. You never know what you can do.
Yeah, I'm on that floor.

Speaker 1 What was the text you sent to try to get on the wood?

Speaker 3 I didn't say to text to try and get on the wood.

Speaker 1 What was the text you sent to get on the wood? Was it a haha?

Speaker 3 No, I mean, me and Dave text after games. We just texted after the game.

Speaker 1 And then you say, we were like, wouldn't it be crazy if we went to games? No, no, no.

Speaker 3 We only texted after the game. It was like, that was crazy, Unreal Wind, you know, back and forth, normal stuff.
And then I was just, you know, hoping, you never know.

Speaker 3 Obviously, I'm very grateful to ever have gone once. I don't care if I never go again.
But I was like, he's gonna, if he goes, he's gonna take someone, maybe text me.

Speaker 1 So I was just kind of like, you're like, hey, you see Max and his boy, that could be us on the wood.

Speaker 3 Getting the phantom vibrates in my phone, being like, did he text me? And

Speaker 3 at least he was, you know, he was sick, but that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It doesn't matter.
That sucks.

Speaker 6 If we kissed in the garden, yeah.

Speaker 1 This could be us. You sent him a meme of Max and his boy.

Speaker 3 No, I hope. I mean, I hope Dave feels better.

Speaker 3 That does hurt.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 We should actually bring that guy on for any

Speaker 6 heartbreaking loss. That guy should have to come on the show and give the kiss of death to one of us.

Speaker 1 Yes. What, Max?

Speaker 2 Technically, the Celtics have yet to win a game since that kiss has been posted.

Speaker 1 That is true. It's a fair point.
Kiss of death for who.

Speaker 2 I mean, I guess as a Celtics fan,

Speaker 1 it would be the kiss of death for you. Now you're getting confused.
Oh, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 6 This is like when I tried to be a LeBron James stand for like a week and

Speaker 6 it just goes against every fiber of your being.

Speaker 1 All right. So we do have Nuggets coach Michael Malone coming up.
We're going to talk a little basketball with him. NBA Finals is set.
Heat Nuggets. I'm very excited.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be an awesome series.

Speaker 1 Pump for this. I know that the ratings police are going to be so mad.

Speaker 1 They also are going to be mad about the Stanley Cup final, which we have the Knights, the Vegas Knights going up against the Florida Panthers.

Speaker 2 No overlap, by the way, for Heaton Panthers. What do you mean? The Stanley Cup and the NBA finals, not one-day overlap.
So it's.

Speaker 1 Okay, that was important. I was worried for a second.
Well, for South Florida, it's a good thing. Yeah, no, I was worried.
I was worried. Yeah, no, that's a good point.
For Brooks. Brooks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 No double hunters. Yeah, he's going to be going nuts.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 so we did put in the synopsis on Friday. I wrote it at like one in the morning, and I was like, Stanley Cup final set.
Heard a lot of people being like, not true.

Speaker 1 So thank you to the Vegas Knights for showing up tonight and winning six to nothing. And it was never a doubt.

Speaker 1 So we had almost like it was crazy because if the stars win tonight, we would have had another 3-0 comeback, game seven, but the Knights were too good and they said, fuck this.

Speaker 1 We're done with this shit. Stop fucking around.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, the Knights are a fun team to root for. I love how much the city of Las Vegas just straight up embraced them right off the bat.
They became like an institution in Vegas. Yeah.
Year one.

Speaker 6 Mark Davis goes to the games, sits behind the ice, puts on his white suit. He looks fantastic.

Speaker 6 The two cities with maybe the most cocaine done per capita, Vegas, Miami, playing against each other in the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 6 Brooks will be on his best behavior. That didn't have anything to do with the previous sentence, just saying that Brooks will be on his best behavior.

Speaker 1 And Alec Martinez, our guy. We've become Knights fans for a week, and look at them now.
They're in the Stanley Cup final. Hank, what were you just looking at your phone for?

Speaker 3 Nothing.

Speaker 1 What are you just scrolling? What were you doing?

Speaker 6 Let us know.

Speaker 1 See something, say something. I saw something.

Speaker 10 Say something. I just wasn't.

Speaker 1 I saw something. You say something.

Speaker 3 I didn't see anything. I saw a stat.

Speaker 1 What was the stat?

Speaker 3 It was the game seven stat. What was it? Bruins and Celtics post-loss.
Game sevens at home to eighth seed Florida team.

Speaker 1 Shit.

Speaker 1 Is that true? Who roots for them?

Speaker 6 Jake.

Speaker 1 Marsh? Your daddy?

Speaker 1 The Celtics beat the heat last year in game seven.

Speaker 1 What are are you going to get Jake for Father's Day? Nothing. You should.
You should get him something.

Speaker 1 I won't.

Speaker 3 You should. He's got to win a fucking championship.
Okay. Or else it means nothing.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Okay.

Speaker 1 Don't be careful with that. It's true.

Speaker 1 It goes against the kiss video that we want to live forever. Two weeks.
Yeah. So we got to be careful with that talk.
Okay. Okay.
Because the kiss video has got to stay.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's staying. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 We're never forgetting that. No.
No. It's our 9-11.

Speaker 1 That actually,

Speaker 6 it overshadowed the last-second shot.

Speaker 3 No, yes, my my Sunday, again, like, it doesn't, this really, like, it hurts because I was really, really looking forward to the Celtics winning and then really, really being able to lay into it.

Speaker 3 But my Sunday morning, you know, I was like, oh, I'll do some, you know, move some stuff in Saturday, move some stuff in Sunday.

Speaker 3 I spent all of Sunday morning just switching back and forth between Derek White, like all the different angles and all the different heat reactions, and then just Max's video.

Speaker 1 Like, for a solid three hours i was just sending it to random people like friends and family just been like so you got to understand max our producer and i would just send him the video i don't think it was that funny if you don't know the whole backstory but i still was like you got to see this watch this yeah the posting it it was really just the posting it like you took the video and then posted it yeah it was the rare video at one in the morning i almost woke up my wife to show her i didn't but i was like this close it was like you can't believe what max just did You know what, though?

Speaker 6 Max serves a very valuable purpose when he does something like that.

Speaker 6 I was looking for anybody to be mad at. I was looking for a reason why that last shot went in because it was just such a ridiculous last play that it leaves everybody in stunned silence watching.

Speaker 6 But the second that I saw that Max put that video up, I was like, okay, yeah, that's the guy that I'm pissed off.

Speaker 1 That's the bad guy.

Speaker 6 You're my scapegoat. You were a great scapegoat for that.

Speaker 1 Happy to be here. Who's the bad guy? Okay, let's do who's back of the week, and and then we'll get to our great interviews.
Again, we're going to do succession talk at the end of the show.

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Speaker 3 okay who's back of the week hank i have a couple my first one is uh cinderella Okay, this is in college baseball.

Speaker 3 Tulane finished the regular season 15 and 39, and then they won the AEC Conference Tournament, and they're going to the tournament. NCAA.

Speaker 1 You know who loves Tulane?

Speaker 3 Tell me what to say.

Speaker 6 Too soon. Still the game.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Too soon.
But that's, you know, you usually hear that in basketball, but it's always basketball. Sorry, 15 and 39.

Speaker 1 15 and 39? Yeah. Holy fuck, who'd they beat in the championship?

Speaker 3 I don't know. Well, they're probably going to play like Rice or something.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Maybe, who knows? Maybe shock the world.
That's insane. 15 and 39 is pretty fucking crazy.
That's a bad team. Yeah.
That's a really bad team.

Speaker 3 then my other who's back of the week uh shots this is a little psa or like something i feel like we've talked about before but with the with the move to chicago me and pft were out and i do truly you know meeting a lot of awls everyone's saying welcome to chicago welcome to chicago a lot of people were also you know buying coming over with shots and i personally am at a point in my life where like i try and just not even drink liquor when i'm out but i feel bad because people are just you know it's a nice gesture and i appreciate the gesture but

Speaker 3 i think think I'm just going to have to start turning them down. Or if people want to buy a shot, just buy a shot and we'll cheers and you take it.

Speaker 3 But I feel bad turning them down, but I also just don't, I can't be drinking 10 shots a night.

Speaker 1 You just, yeah, go ahead, Peter.

Speaker 6 My rule of thumb is no shots. That has started to go sideways since I've been in Chicago because I've been on a little malort kick for the last couple days.
And

Speaker 6 my rule is I will not be taking shots that other people buy for me of malort any longer. It's not happening.
I can't keep up this pace that I'm on right now. It tastes like the devil's come.

Speaker 6 It's awful. It does taste like gasoline.
It tastes like if somebody threw up gasoline and then re-drank it, that's what Malort tastes like.

Speaker 6 I'm still, I will buy myself some Malort occasionally as a treat, but I have to set a hard and fast rule because it's quickly getting out of hand.

Speaker 6 I will not be drinking any more shots of Malort that people buy for me. I can't do it.
I will be dead within a month.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think I've told this story, but the

Speaker 1 Cardinals Steelers Super Bowl, we had one of our friends try to drink an entire bottle of Malort, and he did before halftime. And then, like,

Speaker 1 during, it might have been like right, it's actually right during like the run back. I missed that run back live because they were like, hey, where is he?

Speaker 1 And then I found him in my room, and he had just started puking up Malort in my room. And I, it, like, I smelt it for like six months.
It was the worst thing.

Speaker 6 I can still, I can still smell it on the roof of my mouth.

Speaker 6 It stays with you for so long. It honestly feels like a drink that somebody made up as a joke.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
As a dare.

Speaker 1 Hank, that's a good rule. I've had a rule for, it's been like eight years now.
Never, I'll never take a free shot from anyone because of that.

Speaker 1 Like, I, it actually was at Declan's for the Oshi game, the USA versus Russia game at fucking seven in the morning. I had to be peeled off of Wells Street because I took so many free shots.

Speaker 1 So, just if you make it a

Speaker 1 rule, it's no hurt feelings, right?

Speaker 3 That's the thing, and I do appreciate it. It's just awkward when they come over, like, here's a shot.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, I don't really want this, but I also don't, you know, I don't want to seem like an asshole, but that's that's kind of what I'm getting at.

Speaker 1 It's just a hard and fast rule because you can't break it either. Like, I don't, if someone tries to buy me a shot, say, Hey, thank you so much.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 I don't take shots. Yeah, buy a shot for yourself.
Well, cheers. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Can we add one more rule?

Speaker 7 Yeah, buy Billy shots.

Speaker 9 Closed bottles and cans only.

Speaker 1 What do you think you're going to get roofied by a stool?

Speaker 9 I think QB sneaked once.

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 9 It's a long time ago, but Coors Lights only.

Speaker 1 The worst one I ever got was a shard bomb. You ever guys get shard bombed?

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 1 Some dude came up to me

Speaker 1 at this bar called River Shannon in Chicago. I don't know if it's still there.
And was like, dude, big cat, shard bomb. And he just handed me a glass of Chardonnay and we had to chug it.

Speaker 1 And I just went right outside and puked my guts out. So no shard bombs either.
I thought people were just walking up to you and sharding. Shard bomb.

Speaker 1 I mean, the problem is you have to get, you have to do the shard bomb once. Because when someone says, hey, shard bomb, that's a cool name.
And you're like, a glass of fucking white wine? Okay.

Speaker 1 How bad could it be? Really bad.

Speaker 6 That's the bachelorette party version of icing, you broke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, shard bomb.

Speaker 1 I had to respect the ingenuity of a shard bomb, but never again.

Speaker 6 Never again. You just say bomb after anything.
Yeah, right. You have to chug it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude, remember

Speaker 1 like Vegas bombs at brunch? We're just, I don't even know. It was like, it was a Red red bull and orange juice and vodka

Speaker 1 like yeah okay i'll take a bomb sure uh

Speaker 6 good who's back no more shots pft great who's back hank uh my who's back of the week is live golf

Speaker 6 because live golf is tweaking their rule format that they have they are now instituting relegation and promotion in live golf league hell yeah which is great so what they what they're doing is they're having players that finish between 25th and 44th.

Speaker 6 They will be in the open zone, becoming free agents where they can move between teams or leave live golf.

Speaker 6 Essentially, live golf just invented the PGA tour. So you're not like guaranteed a spot on live golf.
Other players can play well and then get moved up into live. They invented qualification school.

Speaker 1 Are we worried about our fourth ace? What's his name again, Hank?

Speaker 1 Don't, Jake. Don't, Jake.

Speaker 3 It's like Pietro or something.

Speaker 1 Euline. Euline.
Peter, Eulon. Yeah.
Are we worried about our fourth ace?

Speaker 3 No, he's actually probably top one of the better aces. Oh, he is.

Speaker 1 So you take him over. What other?

Speaker 1 What ace would you take him over?

Speaker 3 Maybe Pat Perez.

Speaker 1 Okay. And

Speaker 3 Dustin Johnson.

Speaker 1 And Bubba. Okay.
You got to think.

Speaker 6 Power rank your aces.

Speaker 3 DJ, number one. He's the GOAT.
Great guy.

Speaker 1 I'd love to actually get him a part of it.

Speaker 3 DJ, Bubba, Eulon, Paperez, I guess. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. My who's back is DeAndre Hopkins, free agent, DeAndre Hopkins.
Got cut.

Speaker 1 What team is going to take him?

Speaker 1 That was a nice little NFL is still king when DeAndre Hopkins got cut. I think it was like Friday.

Speaker 1 What do you think, PFT? Where is he going to go? I mean, Ravens.

Speaker 1 He was rumored the Patriots were talking to him.

Speaker 1 Everyone, I hate how it now has become like any really good player gets cut or is like on the block and they're like, Chiefs, he'll take less. And you know, it's probably true.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it's, I would love to see him on the bills, actually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, it'd be sick.

Speaker 6 But I'm just happy for Hopkins. Like, this is his Super Bowl.
Getting cut from the Cardinals must be awesome if you're a good player and you get to just pick where you want to end up next. Like,

Speaker 6 he's left. two of the most unstable franchises in the past four years.
Those are two great days that he has. When he finds out that he's leaving the Texans, he's fucking pumped.

Speaker 6 Then he finds out that he's leaving the Cardinals. He's probably psyched about that too.
I'm just happy for him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Cardinals are going to be bad, bad. Like, really bad.
Because it is one of those, you just keep forgetting that Kyler Murray is not going to be starting the year.

Speaker 6 You know what this sounds like to me? I bet you the Cowboys are going to make their fans believe that they're in the Hopkins running until like the very last second,

Speaker 6 and then he's going to sign with the Bills.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and

Speaker 1 it would be funny if he went to the Ravens, although Lamar Jackson, like, is that too much too fast? You know, like,

Speaker 1 you never want to be the guy who's like, I never have help. I never have help.
Then you have so much help. Then it's all on you.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's great to have an excuse. And that excuse, he won't have anything left at that point.

Speaker 6 But Lamar Jackson is already saying things publicly like, I'm going to be passing the ball a lot more than I'm going to be running it.

Speaker 6 So he's setting himself up to have like everybody look at him and say, well, maybe, maybe the problem might have been you at some times here, Lamar.

Speaker 6 Whereas in the past, he was the the most sympathetic guy in the NFL. He wasn't getting a big contract.

Speaker 6 His mom was working as his agent, and he had absolutely no help at wide receiver, as is tradition for the Ravens.

Speaker 6 I just, it would be weird to watch a Ravens game and see them have outstanding wide receivers all across the field. It wouldn't feel right.

Speaker 1 I also just revealed myself as not having that dog in me because I know that Lamar Jackson and the Ravens probably don't think that way.

Speaker 1 Where I'm like thinking about it, if I were Lamar Jackson, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's not get so much help that then I can be blamed.

Speaker 1 You never want to be in that spot where you can't make at least one excuse. That would suck.
You got to at least leave yourself an excuse in life for something going wrong.

Speaker 6 Absolutely. And they would have none.

Speaker 6 I would just, I would love to see him on the Bills. I think Bill's Super Bowl if they get DeAndre Hopkins.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, Billy.

Speaker 1 Billy's wearing sunglasses for some reason.

Speaker 9 Their USA sunglasses. It's a Morio.

Speaker 1 It's actually not memorial. Oh, two more minutes.
Two more minutes. You got it.
Yep.

Speaker 9 I'll wear it.

Speaker 1 Billy just got real banged up this week.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 There was a moment where we were having a healthy debate in the kitchen, and I felt like I was just arguing with the South Park character because Billy was getting aggro with his sunglasses on.

Speaker 1 He's like, It's fucking Memorial Day, bro.

Speaker 9 Art imitates life.

Speaker 9 Arnold Schwarzenegger, he's back. If you remember, Derek,

Speaker 6 other way around.

Speaker 1 Just let him go. He's cooking.
Hold up. Hold up.
Let Billy cook. Wait, what I say? Life imitates art.

Speaker 9 No, art imitates life.

Speaker 1 Anyway. Oh, I guess because you are imitating artists.
Yeah, I did that on purpose. Billy's a work of art.

Speaker 9 Got it.

Speaker 9 So, Derek from More Plates, More Dates, who was the one that exposed Liver King for being on steroids.

Speaker 9 Actually, he should come on the show.

Speaker 6 He'd be a guest.

Speaker 9 Yeah, yeah. Asking about Ozempic.
I will. And then,

Speaker 9 so he basically.

Speaker 1 I know his co-host.

Speaker 1 Great dude. Co-host Zach.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Basically, Arnold started talking about his steroid use for the first time and talked about his cycle.

Speaker 9 And basically, he wasn't on that much steroids compared to a lot of guys today in bodybuilding, which just goes to show that he is the goat.

Speaker 1 Okay. So not as much steroids.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Which just shows that according to him. Yeah, but he had a

Speaker 9 Derek confirmed that this makes sense according to what it was rumored to have, but everyone thought that it was impossible that he could have done it like that. Got it.
So he's still the goat.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 And the Taliban.

Speaker 1 Wait. It's back.
The Taliban's back. Why?

Speaker 9 They literally invaded Iran.

Speaker 1 By the way, it's midnight, so take the glasses off.

Speaker 9 Nope.

Speaker 9 Because it's fucking America.

Speaker 1 Okay, but it's not Memorial Day. Yeah, I'm still going to wear my American sun.

Speaker 1 Now it's stolen back.

Speaker 9 No, I can wear American flag sunglasses. This is America.

Speaker 1 Wait, what did the Taliban do?

Speaker 9 They're just acting up.

Speaker 1 Shit.

Speaker 1 They just get invaded Iran?

Speaker 1 Kind of.

Speaker 1 Taliban Day, they do get a little wild sometimes. They just kind of get a little bored and then they get fucking wild.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 they go away. They pop up.
They're like herpes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think it's just like five years, a little flare-up.
I think it's just like the nature. It's kind of like

Speaker 1 the Taliban's kind of like being on a bachelor party at all times. We're like, you know, if you're on a bachelor party for long enough, you get bad ideas.
Like, hey, let's go do this.

Speaker 1 I mean, we speak about it. We have dudes hanging out all day doing like muscle.

Speaker 6 The ultimate bro trip.

Speaker 6 Don't think about bringing your chick.

Speaker 1 yeah and then eventually you can only watch your guys like do a bunch of pull-ups in the desert you got to eventually go do something about it yeah they just they hang out they bro out together probably play a lot of cards shoot guns

Speaker 9 just guys being dudes yeah and they're like hey why don't we just go invade iran was it iran yeah but the worst part is they now just got like a bunch of stuff around them like you know when your buddies just start using excavators and like going to construction sites when they're just bored and like they start trying to use heavy equipment and heavy machinery.

Speaker 9 Well, imagine that with like U.S. military equipment that just slept.

Speaker 1 And now, how, how often does that happen? The first part of that?

Speaker 9 You know, when your buddies get drunk and it's like a college campus and then there's like excavators.

Speaker 1 Actually, I do. I actually do.

Speaker 1 Imagine that. I actually know exactly what you're talking about.
Imagine that. That's what I think.
Humvees. Yeah, yeah.
Okay. Tanks.
No, it's it.

Speaker 1 We all were in college at one point, and if there was a fucking, you know, huge backhoe sitting in the middle of the street at two in the morning,

Speaker 1 you tried to get it.

Speaker 6 When you think about it, like a drunk 19-year-old is really no different than a three-year-old going down the street and seeing an awesome backhoe and just stopping and staring at it and be like, that kicks ass.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let me get on that thing. All right, Jake, your who's back, and then we're going to get to Michael Malone and Big J.

Speaker 2 My who's back is lacrosse.

Speaker 2 Big weekend of lacrosse, Notre Dame men, Northwestern women national champions, and the PLL season is here.

Speaker 1 Oh, hell yes.

Speaker 2 Billy and I will be heading to training camp in Albany later this week,

Speaker 2 opening weekend for the PLL. And a huge announcement last week, the league is shifting to home cities next year.

Speaker 1 Yes. In 2024.

Speaker 2 So the Water Dogs will need a permanent home.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if Paul Rabel is going to come on the show in the next week or so, if he doesn't give the Water Dogs Chicago, we riot.

Speaker 1 I think we just actually, we just, I think we just kidnap him and keep him in this hot fucking studio and just just like beat him up.

Speaker 3 Are you guys going to stop?

Speaker 1 We could do that, Billy.

Speaker 3 I mean, Jake?

Speaker 2 We might. Yes, this is a throwback to last year when Billy picked TGI Fridays over

Speaker 1 like a staple deli.

Speaker 2 Because of a booth.

Speaker 1 People were forgetting. This is what is

Speaker 9 forgetting it was also Friday.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. So that is true.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 9 I was like, it is Friday, Jake. Let's go to TGI Fridays.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 9 we had just been playing lacrosse all day, and I really just wanted someone to just come up to me with a big cup of ice water and just keep refilling it.

Speaker 3 We did this. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And you wanted the booth.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So stay tuned for some content in Albany.
Our friend Dugues will be joining us. We'll be there Thursday, Friday.

Speaker 1 Is he in a wheelchair?

Speaker 9 He might be. He's on crutches.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Duke. It's going to be electric.
Duke's a great, great case for never doing anything athletic past the age of like 23. Cripple Duke.
Yeah, he broke his ankle at alumni lacrosse.

Speaker 1 That's like you're, you're just, it's, there's no glory in it.

Speaker 1 You're just only going out to just break the, you basically, I mean, PFD, when you play in your rugby game, like you're essentially just playing, hoping you don't get injured. That's the only win.

Speaker 6 No, it's to me, the feeling of playing an alumni rugby game when I unretire every year is the exact same feeling that I get when I make a $10,000 bet that ends up winning $1,000.

Speaker 6 So like at the end of the game, if I walk off the field under my own power, not in an ambulance, I'm like, okay, that was an awesome game.

Speaker 1 I'm so happy to do that.

Speaker 6 But yeah, you should not,

Speaker 6 it's really the dumbest thing ever because somebody in those games, whether it's lacrosse, uh, rugby, any sort of like high-contact sport, some old guy always gets like devastatingly injured in that.

Speaker 6 And then they have to go back to their real job. And there's nothing worse.
I mean, at Barcelona, you can get away with a lot and it's not the exact same.

Speaker 6 But if you go back into a real office job and you're in like a sling with black eyes and a broken nose, then people are like, What is this person? They're not, this is not a serious individual.

Speaker 1 Wait, Billy, do you have a black eye right now?

Speaker 1 No, okay, no, he doesn't. I thought for a second, maybe that was why he's wearing the glasses.

Speaker 9 I'm actually ashamed I don't, and that's why I'm wearing glasses.

Speaker 1 Who the fuck comes back from Memorial Day weekend without a black eye? Pussies, that's who.

Speaker 9 Also, shout out Notre Dame. Uh, they won the national lacrosse lacrosse championship, D1.

Speaker 3 They beat Duke 13-8.

Speaker 1 Yeah, who won the women's?

Speaker 6 There's no way to know.

Speaker 1 There's no way to know. Wait, wait, one second.
Well, no, Jake said, shout out Notre Dame and Northwestern. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get to our interviews. We have Coach Mike Malone

Speaker 1 and then Big Jay Oakerson. We drove 1,700 miles of old Highway 61, the whole country top to bottom, just to prove one thing.
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Speaker 1 The road trip might be over, but dinner's just getting good.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is head coach of the Western Conference champion, Denver Nuggets, Michael Malone.
Thank you so much for joining us, coach.

Speaker 1 We wanted to give the Nuggets their, you know, their shine because there's been a lot of talk about the media not giving the Nuggets their shine. So we thought having you on would be great.

Speaker 1 So, first of all, congrats on the sweep. And my first question is, what do you think about LeBron potentially retiring?

Speaker 1 First off, it's great to be on with you guys.

Speaker 12 I have a tremendous coaching staff who are all big fans of your show, your podcast. And when they heard I had a chance to go on, they said, Coach, you got to do it.

Speaker 12 Big Cat, PFT are great guys. You're going to have a fun time.
So thanks for having me on. Yeah.

Speaker 12 As far as the Lakers sweep, yeah, I really can't comment on your first question.

Speaker 1 So, all right. So my real first question, because that was not the real first question, is way more important.

Speaker 1 You have nine days rest now.

Speaker 1 Is this going to be the best your voice ever has sounded before game one? And how quickly are you going to lose your voice when you get into the NBA Finals in game one?

Speaker 12 Yeah, there's no doubt my voice is going to have plenty of time to get some rest. And come game one, hopefully

Speaker 12 in Denver next Thursday, it'll be ready to go. And probably by halftime, we'll be a little bit hoarse, but our guys are used to it.
Been here for eight. It's crazy.
Been here for eight years now.

Speaker 12 And to be a part of a team and a franchise that's gotten better and better and better, gotten healthier, allowed us to get to this point.

Speaker 12 It's been a real fun ride to this point, but we're not satisfied.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it really has been awesome watching your team for especially the last three years or so.

Speaker 6 I saw, it was about three years ago. I remember I was watching you guys play and I was like,

Speaker 6 if they can get all healthy at the same time, this is a team that can win an NBA championship. They've got the talent on the team.

Speaker 6 It's about lining up the health of Murray and Porter and getting some nice pieces around because they've got a stud and Jokic and they're prime. They play a fun, entertaining style of basketball.

Speaker 6 If people are, I know there's a lot of ratings talk already out there. If you like watching fun basketball, you should love watching this Nuggets team play because they're very entertaining.

Speaker 6 Was there a time, though, over the last few years where you just weren't sure that the health of all your guys was going to line up to a point where it was going to turn you guys into a contender.

Speaker 12 Well, yeah, I go back to right after we traded for Aaron Gordon about three years ago, whenever it was. And shortly after that trade deadline, we played the Clippers in L.A.

Speaker 12 and we were fully healthy at that point. They were fully healthy.
And we went in there and won that game. And Aaron Gordon's impact, the defense on Kawhi.

Speaker 12 And after that game, I know for me, I said, if we can stay healthy, we got a chance to win it this year. Unfortunately, as we all know, shortly thereafter, Jamal suffered his ACL injury.

Speaker 12 And then the following year, Michael Porter missed 73 games. But the last time our core was fully healthy was the bubble.
And we made it to the Western Conference Finals and we lost to the Lakers.

Speaker 12 And so, you know, if you want to achieve something great, you have to go through failure. And I think our guys, like every other great team and player in the past, we've gone through adversity.

Speaker 12 And I think being healthy, staying together, having tremendous ownership in front office that have remained patient, have allowed us to be in this position.

Speaker 12 But I knew once we got back being healthy, adding a few pieces like KCP, like Bruce Brown, drafting well,

Speaker 12 we'd be back in the Western Conference finals, fighting for our first appearance in the NBA finals. And that's what we've been able to do to this point.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was a great moment watching after the sweep was concluded and you're walking off the court and the Jokic brothers come up to you, and they start tossing you around like a bag of potato chips.

Speaker 6 Is that something where they approached you, and you're like, I have to let them do whatever they want because they're intimidating me right now, and they're the Jokices and they get full reign?

Speaker 12 No, you know, it was really more about like love.

Speaker 12 And like, I've gone over to Serbia so many times, and I spent so much time in the offseason, not just with Nicola, but with Nemanya and Strahina and their parents. And

Speaker 12 so, we've created a very close bond. And so, when I went off the court to find them, to hug them, they came running down.
I said, uh-oh, what's about to happen?

Speaker 12 And as you mentioned, next thing you know, I was being thrown in the air. And I can honestly say that's the first time this ever happened.
But really cool moment.

Speaker 12 I've had so many people send me that video, but I think it just speaks to the bond that I have with the entire Jokic family. Had a big hug with Jamal Murray's father, Roger.

Speaker 12 We've been with these guys so much and we spend so much time with them, not just on the court, but off the court.

Speaker 12 I remember one year I flew to Toronto to go with Jamal Murray to a Cleveland Cavalier Toronto Raptor playoff game, just so he could feel what it was like.

Speaker 12 And now all these years later, Jamal Murray averages 32 points a game in the Western Conference finals and is a huge part of us getting to our first NBA finals.

Speaker 6 It must also be nice having the Jokic brothers just, you know, relatively court-side at a lot of games. So you don't have to have an enforcer on the court all the time.

Speaker 6 You've just got the big Serbian boys standing up, just staring daggers at the other team and at the refs. And you just point at them.
They're like, yeah, listen to these guys, please.

Speaker 12 Well, it's great to know I got two security guards that got my back at all times. And I can remember Nicola's rookie season.
I think we were playing Phoenix and Tyson Chandler and Nicola got into it.

Speaker 12 And out of the corner of my eye, I see this very large object moving at a high rate of speed down towards the court.

Speaker 12 And one of his brothers was about to run onto the court and handle the business for Tyson Channel. Thankfully, security got to him before that happened.
But they are passionate.

Speaker 12 They love their brother. They love the Nuggets.
And thankfully, I'm on their good side.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 12 I know they're in my corner, which is great to know.

Speaker 1 It's an incredible story, Jokic specifically. He is the best basketball player in the world.

Speaker 1 I'm confident in saying that. You've been with him pretty much from the beginning here.
Was there a point where you saw it?

Speaker 1 Because you can't, you know, people are like, oh, we knew he was going to be this guy.

Speaker 6 They're lying.

Speaker 1 He was a second-round draft pick. You know, he had to get in better shape and learn the game a little bit more.

Speaker 1 But was there, what was the point where you're like, okay, this guy, his ceiling is best basketball player in the world?

Speaker 12 Well, I agree. I think he is the best basketball player, and I think he's proving it every single night.
And, you know, I go back, my first summer in Denver was also Nicola's first summer.

Speaker 12 And we went to Las Vegas for summer league.

Speaker 12 Not one point in time in Vegas did I say, hey, we have a franchise player. You know, it it was just, it just, no one saw that, to your point.

Speaker 12 But as we got into his rookie season and he lost some weight, got in shape, we had some injuries, we played a game in San Antonio with Tim Duncan still playing.

Speaker 12 And Nicole went out there and put up like 25 points, 13 rebounds, seven or eight assists. And that's when for me, like the light bulb kind of went, wait a minute.

Speaker 12 He just did this against one of the greatest players of all time, one of the most well-coached teams and best coaches in NBA history and Greg Popovich.

Speaker 12 we may have something special here. And it really kind of, I think, a defining moment for our franchise was year two

Speaker 12 and reinserting him back into the starting lineup as our starting center. And

Speaker 12 our trajectory from that point in time just took off. Our offense took off.

Speaker 12 He became the focal point of everything that we did because His innate ability to make everyone around him better and the fact that he takes the most joy in making plays for others.

Speaker 12 You know, we have kind of, we identified that, and the rest has been history to this point.

Speaker 1 It really is like so much fun watching him play because of what you just said, where even if he's not scoring, you can see the impact he has on the other defense where everyone's collapsing and he's getting guys open and he has his fingerprints over every possession, whether he's scoring or not.

Speaker 1 Are there times, like I would imagine as a coach, are there times where you're just like, hey, just go figure something out? Like, you're the best player in the world. Like, don't even drop a play.

Speaker 1 Like, I know you got this. Like, you're going to get it.
You get, get the ball, bring up the ball. Everyone's going to collapse.
You find someone or you score. Like, you can do everything.

Speaker 1 Do you, do you ever say, like, no play, just go do it?

Speaker 12 Well, yeah. I mean, sometimes the best play is just get the ball to Nicola.
Yeah. And then to your point, through his IQ and unselfishness, you know, he's going to make the right play.

Speaker 12 Whether or not we make the shot, whatever, it doesn't matter. Like, you know, you're going to get the right look.

Speaker 12 And I think a great example of that was in a game three against the Lakers, fourth quarter.

Speaker 12 And he grabs the clipboard before I get in there and he says, listen, me and Jamal are going to play this two-man game.

Speaker 12 You other three guys, just get out of the way, be ready, and let us play our game. And we did it for like five or six straight possessions and pulled away from the Lakers.

Speaker 12 So, and that's one thing I have to say about Nicola that in the eight years that he continues to get more comfortable with is being more vocal, being a leader, using his voice to in those moments, not keep it within, but what do you have to say because you're out there we all trust you and so that's just one of many examples where hey man I know in this situation we're gonna get the ball to Nicola in the low post in the high post on the elbow on the wing and let him make a play like he's done time and time again yeah there are there's some haters out there A good friend of our show, Kirk Goldsberry, he wrote a scathing article.

Speaker 6 I didn't read the entire thing. I read like the first paragraph and then I clicked it because I knew it was fake news about his defense and about how he gives up a lot of easy layups.

Speaker 6 We told him to his face he was wrong. He's a numbers guy.
We're eyeball guys. We know ball.
We knew that that those plays that highlight reel wasn't telling the full story.

Speaker 6 Do you read any of the naysayers out there about him? Does he read the naysayers? And if so, do you guys use that as motivation or are you guys just completely locked in on what you're doing?

Speaker 12 So, you know, I learned, you know, I'm the son of a coach. My father's in the NBA for many years and he was in Detroit with Chuck Daly and the bad boys.

Speaker 12 And one thing he learned from Chuck Daly was don't listen to the radio, don't watch TV, and don't read the newspaper.

Speaker 12 And now in today's NBA and just social media world, it's don't look at anything because something negative is being said about you at all times.

Speaker 12 No matter what you're doing, what level you're playing at, or you're winning at a high level, people are going to find something to attack.

Speaker 12 And I did see the article because one of the coaches showed it to me because they were so upset.

Speaker 12 And the whole premise of the article was one game against San Antonio and Jakob Pertle and how Nicola is not a good defender. And we have no chance of winning at a high level because of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Well, we'll start with the finals on Thursday. So I think that we've shown, and Nicola has shown that he can be a good enough defender.
And we as a team can be a good enough defender.

Speaker 12 And in eight years, I think we've taken some of that. perceived disrespect, if you will, and used it as motivation.

Speaker 12 I think this year, for the first time that I've ever been with Nicola, I do think the negative negativity around the MVP narrative became somewhat of a distraction and was very negative.

Speaker 12 And I think it really turned him off and a lot of other people off for it. You know, I can't speak for you guys on that matter.

Speaker 12 But so I think there are times that we use it as motivation, but at the same time, we have to spend as much energy as possible in trying to win. the NBA Finals now, try to win a championship.

Speaker 12 And if we're worried about all the other things, that's going to distract us us from concentrating on the task at hand. We're just trying to win a series.
I like that.

Speaker 6 We're in the finals. Take that for data.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I did take away Embiid's MVP this year. So, personally, as a show, Jokic is now our MVP.

Speaker 1 We vote on the MVP after the playoffs start. That's just how the show always works.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that way we can never be wrong about our MVP, and people can never rub that in our face and be like, well, what did they do in the playoffs? Well, we wait until after the playoffs are over.

Speaker 6 Whoever wins the championship, we give a team MVP.

Speaker 1 And right now, it's the Nuggets.

Speaker 6 I had one more question about jokic uh specifically about in-game management for him he tends to get his arms cut more easily than any player in maybe nba history it always looks like after the first quarter he's been handling feral cats and just gotten scratched up with blood everywhere do you have a cut guy that's that's on retainer that just is assigned to nicola's arms No, that's a good idea, though.

Speaker 12 We might have to hire somebody because whether it's Boston or Miami, we know those cuts are going to be even that much worse. But no, it kind of reminds me of the scene in Rocky, like, cut me, Mick.

Speaker 1 You need somebody to help him out.

Speaker 12 So Nicole is a warrior, man. The guy, and people always talk about his lack of athleticism.
But like, what they don't remember is, okay, game four against the Lakers, he played 45 and a half minutes.

Speaker 12 You know, there was a game against Portland, a four-overtime game a few years ago, where I played him 63 minutes. And he's able to, like, he's got, you know, maybe he's like secretariat.

Speaker 12 He's big into horses. He can run for days.
He may not jump over people, but his conditioning is is at an elite level. And

Speaker 12 you're right. He looks like he's been through a war every time he comes into a locker room after a game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaking of horses, has he gotten you on a horse when you've gone to Serbia?

Speaker 12 Yeah, I was.

Speaker 12 Well, first off, his brothers were pissed off because they never get the, he's never given his brothers the opportunity to go on the on the horse.

Speaker 12 And so they were really like insulted that he allowed me to go and not them.

Speaker 12 But it was, it was like a practice day for the horse. And so we went to the track.
It was me, Nicole, the horse, and their trainer.

Speaker 12 And obviously, I'm sitting in, I don't know what you call it, the buggy, the thing behind it. That's that kind of a horse.
You don't sit on the horse.

Speaker 12 And he goes, all right, coach, just take it nice and easy. This is like a warm-up.
I'm like, okay. And I get on the horse and all of a sudden I think I'm like Ben Hurt.

Speaker 12 I'm like, whipping the reins, let's go. So we come around the first time.
He's yelling at me, Coach, slow down. You're going too fast.
And then I went one more lap, even faster.

Speaker 12 And he was really mad because coach, you're never riding my horse again.

Speaker 1 again so I did it one time you got it you can't take it you can't take it away from me yeah yeah you got it that one time um so the other you know your your team has been playing so well as a team but Jamal Murray specifically has been out of this world good uh there was a story that came out recently that when he tore his ACL he actually asked you like is this mean I'm like done with the nuggets and you like

Speaker 1 Walk me through your watching him tear his ACL and having to deal with like, all right, we're missing this guy.

Speaker 1 He hasn't been able to reach his full potential and how you mentally were able to get him, build him back up to a point where he could have easily won the MVP of the Western Conference Finals.

Speaker 1 He's been that electric. And he also is now getting like the superstar playoff kind of treatment where we saw him in the bubble and we see him this year.
Like he shows up for these big, big moments.

Speaker 12 He does. He lives for those moments.
And, you know, you referenced that the night that game happened was against Golden State in San Francisco. He tears his ACL.
We stayed over that night.

Speaker 12 And the next morning, we're on the bus going to the airport and I'm sitting next to him and we're having a conversation. And you could just see the

Speaker 12 fear, the dejection, and like, you know, what just happened? And more importantly, what's about to happen? And, you know, when he said to me, Coach, like, are you guys going to trade me?

Speaker 12 That really hit me. And it was an emotional conversation because of, you know, everything we have gone through together and where we were at.

Speaker 12 And I just tried to reassure him in that moment and every day after that, no, like

Speaker 12 we're not thinking of you as damaged goods. You're our guy.
And not only are you going to come back from this injury, Jamal, you're going to come back a better player.

Speaker 12 You're going to attack your rehab. You're going to come back stronger, better.
And I think he's proven that.

Speaker 12 And I think this year, the biggest game of the season for me, and Jamal's confidence and getting back to that level was we played, I think, Portland on December 8th, and Jamal hits a game winner over Jeremy Grant.

Speaker 12 And you could see almost like him take a deep breath and remind himself, hey, I'm a really good basketball player. I went through a really long journey getting back to this point.

Speaker 12 And there were some dark days in that journey and coming back from the ACL injury, but he attacked it.

Speaker 12 And all we try to do as an organization, all I tried to do as a head coach was support him and show him how much we loved him, not rush him back.

Speaker 12 A lot of people wanted him to come back last year in the playoffs. You know, is he ready? Is he not? And I wasn't going to push him.

Speaker 12 You know, I wanted him to feel really comfortable about stepping back on that court. And that happened this year.
And to your point, you know, Nicola was amazing in the Western Conference Finals.

Speaker 12 He won MVP, but you can make a great case as well for Jamal. 32 points a game in a four-game sweep.
And he has 30 points in the first half of game three.

Speaker 12 And in game two, he had 23 points in the fourth quarter alone to allow us to win that game. So just thankful that he's back healthy in a really good place mentally.

Speaker 1 And that's a great great story because I think when it comes to the building of these teams and injuries and everything that goes into it, as fans, we sit there and we're like, well, what the heck?

Speaker 1 Like ACL, it's actually, we have a joke here. Adrian Peterson ruined ACL injuries for everyone because the running back, he came back in like eight months.

Speaker 1 And so now anyone gets injured and we're like, what the hell? Why aren't they back?

Speaker 1 But the mental side of sports and being able to keep your guys mentally in it when they're not maybe participating on the court, that's got to be a tough part of the coaching job that people don't really see

Speaker 12 well it is and i'm glad you brought that up because one thing we did last year for jamal to you know because it was really hard for him to be at practice and have to sit there and watch everybody else playing the game he loves that's like torture hey man come watch this practice you can't touch a ball or do anything but like be there and be a good teammate man that sucks yeah but so we try to do we try to get him involved in the process and so every game we play in the regular season we do the same thing in the playoffs we watch a personnel edit so we're getting ready to play miami so one of our coaches will take our team through a personnel edit talking about each of their players their tendencies what their strengths are so we started having jamal do that last season jamal you present to our team and it was just a way to keep him involved where okay i can't play the game but i can still try to help my guys out i can you know come in and sit in on a coach's meeting and so trying to do things like that just to keep a young man who's going through a really tough time, just keeping him mentally engaged and letting him know you're not playing right now, but you're still a part of this.

Speaker 12 Like you're still going to be a part of this moving forward. And I do think that helped him kind of getting through that really tough year all of last season.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 It must be tough for a guy that's that much of a competitor to have to sit back and watch everything.

Speaker 6 And now, you're talking about like keep strategies, keeping your team together, keeping players focused when they're not playing. You have a pretty significant layoff.

Speaker 6 We don't know who you're going to be playing in the finals. We don't know how long the Heat Celtic series is going to go.
What's your strategy right now in terms of rest versus rust?

Speaker 6 Do you have guys competing in practice? Do you have simulated scrimmages? Are you giving the guys time off just to recuperate? How are you handling the layoff between now and the finals?

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 12 we met for a while as a staff yesterday. So the first day back was a complete blackout day.
We got really back late from L.A.

Speaker 12 Yesterday was

Speaker 12 a player development, treatments, lift kind of a day. We're going to get on the floor here in a little bit.

Speaker 12 And we don't know who we're playing yet. So the next three or four days are going to be just about the Denver Nuggets.
You know, kind of cleaning up all the things for the first.

Speaker 12 We're 12 and three so far. So after 15 games, what are the things that we have to clean up offensively, defensively, special situations, whatever it may be?

Speaker 12 And then at whatever point in time we finally know who our opponent is,

Speaker 12 we know we'll have three or four days to get ready for game one to prepare for their personnel and their plays and the walkthrough and what our game plan is going to be.

Speaker 12 We're meeting as a staff every day talking about both Miami and Boston just to get ready for each team and what they present.

Speaker 12 But it's a challenge because we played every other day. Our guys are in peak conditioning and a rhythm right now.
And then all of a sudden you take that away. And that's our biggest challenge.

Speaker 12 How do we maintain our conditioning? How do we maintain our rhythm while not playing games? And it's hard to do. When I was an assistant in Cleveland, we have the same situation.
We swept around

Speaker 12 first round, we swept the second round, and our next opponent had both gone to a seven games. So we had like an eight, nine day layoff for both of those.

Speaker 12 And I think it affected us kind of getting into the Eastern Conference finals. But our guys will be ready.
I have no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So you talked about Cleveland.
You've had a

Speaker 1 incredible career in basketball. You've been around some great players.
You also were with the Warriors before they became the championship Warriors.

Speaker 1 Is there any like parallels in watching Steph Curry when he was at the beginning of his career being like he was kind of similar to Jokic, where he was obviously great in college basketball, made a tournament run with Davidson, but no one thought he was going to be what he is.

Speaker 1 Did you see it, you know, when you're watching him in practice and being like, yeah, this guy is special. He's going to be one of the best players in basketball.

Speaker 12 Well, yeah, because with Steph, you know, you getting to know him, you realize, okay, this guy, the character, I mean, just a tremendously high character young man uh tremendous work ethic the guy every day had a routine routine discipline worked on his game before and after every practice and you knew he had a skill i mean his ability to shoot the ball was just as ubi brown said many years ago shooting makes up for a multitude of sins and one thing steph curry can do is shoot and score the basketball as we've all come to see in the years since they've won all those championships and then you draft a guy like clay thompson and then we drafted a guy like Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes.

Speaker 12 And you can see the makings of something special. I wound up leaving.
They had to go to Sacramento to be the head coach.

Speaker 12 But when I left to go there, you know, my second year in Golden State, we upset Denver in the first round, and we gave San Antonio a hell of a series in the second round.

Speaker 12 So you saw all the makings of a team that had championship DNA. And obviously, as they continue to add to that, you know, those three or four core guys, you know, the rest has been history.

Speaker 12 Obviously, they've been almost like a dynasty these last 10 years.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I made the comparison in, I think it was a week ago or so, that Steph and Jokic, even though they don't obviously play the same position, they're very different in how they play,

Speaker 1 they are similar in the fact that a defense,

Speaker 1 the orbit of the defense, the gravity of the defense always collapses on them and opens up everything else.

Speaker 1 Do you see the same thing where it's like these guys, even if they're not making shots,

Speaker 1 it's everything that comes around it that the defense has to prepare for that makes them so special.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I think the truly defining characteristic of a great player is the one that makes his teammates better.

Speaker 12 And obviously, Steph, to your point, you know, he's going to attract the crowd every night. Two, sometimes three defenders.
And I think his playmaking and unselfishness is somewhat underrated.

Speaker 12 We all talk about Steph Curry as a shooter and a scorer, probably the greatest shooter in NBA history, but he also has the ability to make those around him better.

Speaker 12 i've often used the analogy and you know i'd be curious to see if you guys find this funny or you see it i think uh lebron james and nicole jokic are very very similar

Speaker 12 and the eye test you say hell no like one's a great athlete freakish and the other guy can't jump over the sunday newspaper but you get away from that Both those guys, their IQ, their unselfishness, their ability to make everyone better and impact the game, rebounding, scoring, playmaking, and just making timely plays and seeing things before everybody else sees them.

Speaker 12 And having coached LeBron for five years and now Nicolo for eight, those two guys, I think, are incredibly similar once you get past the obvious athleticism.

Speaker 6 That's really interesting. The one thing that I would agree with on that, they both will make passes, and you see it in football sometimes.
A quarterback throws a pass before the receivers open.

Speaker 6 Jokic and LeBron both make the pass. They start passing the ball before their guy is even open to receive the pass.
They truly do see that before it ever happens.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 No, they do. I mean, that's the great thing about like some guys are playing checkers out there.
And then you have a few guys that play chess and see things developing.

Speaker 12 And guys understand pretty quickly when they first come to our team, first time playing with Nicola, hey, you better have your head on a swivel because if you're open, he's going to find you.

Speaker 12 And sometimes guys are running through the lane, they get hit in the back of the head, and he yells at them, hey, be ready to catch the ball because I'm going to find you when you're open.

Speaker 12 So that's the best part about playing with him. The guy is so unselfish.
He just wants to win, doesn't care about the, he's almost embarrassed by the attention at times.

Speaker 12 And he's just such a selfless superstar. And I feel very, very fortunate to have the opportunity to coach a guy who's like that.

Speaker 1 I like the analogy, too, just because when LeBron and Jokic both get the ball at the top of the key, the defense is already kind of screwed because they can do everything.

Speaker 1 And it's like, you don't, there's nothing you can really do to stop whatever their next thing is because they could go to the hoop, they could hit a fadeaway, they could pass, they could, everyone can collapse on them.

Speaker 1 That like spot

Speaker 1 already has bent the defense in a place they don't want to be.

Speaker 12 And for me, like most games, I'll start off the first play of the game. We're going to post up Nicola because I want to see what the other team's game plan is.
And everybody's got a choice to make.

Speaker 12 Are you going to play Nicola straight up or are you going to double team him? And he's, he, like LeBron, has seen every conceivable defense that you can imagine.

Speaker 12 And the one thing you love about nicola like after i think it was game one against the lakers we're up one oh and everybody talked about the lakers they're in a great place they're down one oh but they had rui hachimura guard nicola and it went really well yeah and now we we got a kick out of that because one we were up one oh and no one was talking about that and nicola like And Rui Hachimura is a hell of a young player, and he had a tremendous Western Conference finals, but like no one figures out Nicola.

Speaker 12 He's seen everything like he's had the defense of player of the year type players draped all over him and he's going to find a way to beat you and whether it's scoring or finding the open man for jamal for michael for kcp whoever it is to make the shot so uh yeah when nicola has the ball in that low post on that elbow that that defense has a decision to make and nicola is going to make the right read every time yeah there's usually no no correct decision yeah hope that he screws it up somehow which he and hope somebody misses yeah yeah hope Hope they miss a shot.

Speaker 6 That's the defense that they have to play sometimes.

Speaker 6 I have two questions. Well, it's a two-part question, but I feel like every championship team has to have an X-Factor to win.
And that might just be a term we make up in the media of an X-Factor.

Speaker 6 Which one of these X-Factors is more important to your team? The altitude? Or Rocky, the mascot, being able to drain half-court shots on top of a 50-foot ladder, throwing the ball over his head?

Speaker 12 No doubt, Rocky.

Speaker 12 I mean, you know, it's funny, before I got here, they told me a story. It was like maybe the season opener, Rocky was being like coming, he was rappelling down to the floor.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 12 And they have the spotlight on him. And ladies and gentlemen, here comes the world's most famous mascot.
And then something happened where as he's coming down, Rocky passes out.

Speaker 12 His body is slim.

Speaker 12 But yeah, so Rocky is definitely important, but I think you can see it on the other team's face.

Speaker 12 When they come to Denver and they play in this altitude, that first quarter, you can see guys huffing and puffing.

Speaker 12 And it's something from Doug Moe, the greatest coach in Nuggets history, his teams back in the day trying to outscore you, getting up and down.

Speaker 12 I got a great message from Dan Hissel the other day, one of the all-time greats in Denver Nugget history, saying, hey, just run the Lakers off the floor.

Speaker 12 Keep running, keep running, keep running, because we do have an advantage built into our city.

Speaker 12 But I can never discount the importance of Rocky.

Speaker 1 Yeah, smart.

Speaker 1 before a game, so before game one, do you get nervous?

Speaker 1 We, we, we have, uh, we've had Danny Hurley on a bunch, and he, you know, during UConn's run, we were talking to him, he drinks urine before the game, which is intimidates everyone else.

Speaker 1 But he also said that he has to like get in a zen moment where he doesn't, he doesn't want to be so mad about the referees or something before the game that he has to like shut off all the lights and give himself a moment.

Speaker 1 What's your pre-game routine? And are you, do you, do you get the butterflies as the game's about to tip off?

Speaker 12 Well, first thing, I got a question. And I know Danny and Bobby and obviously we have a ton of respect for their family.
St. Anthony's guys, I'm a Seton Hall prep guy via New York.

Speaker 12 But I just, whose urine is he drinking? Is it his own or something?

Speaker 1 Hopefully his own. Yeah.
Well,

Speaker 1 it's a mushroom. Do we know that? Well, it's a mushroom tea that looks like piss.
And we told him he should just go with it and be like, yeah, I'm drinking piss before the game.

Speaker 1 Because listen, it's like the old saying, like, never get in a fight with a guy who's got nothing to lose. If you see the other coach drinking piss before a game, you're in trouble.

Speaker 12 You definitely are. So I don't drink piss or anything else.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Noted, noted.

Speaker 12 But it did work for him. He had a hell of a season.
So congrats to you, kind of Danny Hurley. But

Speaker 12 you know what?

Speaker 12 Haven't done it for as long as I have been.

Speaker 12 I don't get, I'm so.

Speaker 12 locked into my pregame routine and getting ready and doing my notes and my ATO plays and preparing that.

Speaker 12 And then, you know, like as you get ready for the jump ball, I'm sorry, we know we've done our job. We've prepared our guys.
We're ready for whatever comes our way.

Speaker 12 But I can't say I get nervous, you know, like where my heart is beating out of my chest. It's,

Speaker 12 you know, I don't think the NBA Finals will be any different, but I've never been there as a head coach. I was there as an assistant coach one time.
But

Speaker 12 when you work hard and you're detailed and you're prepared, you know, you kind of let the chips fall where they may after that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you, Coach.

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Speaker 1 So, my last question, coach, and this has been fantastic. We loved having you on.

Speaker 1 You had a quote. So, Jokic has had eight triple-doubles in these playoffs.
He's been out of this world, averaging a triple-double. And you had a quote saying, There's no stat padding there.

Speaker 1 Like, he's doing it, and it's not like something that we're, you know, orchestrating.

Speaker 1 So, walk me through game six of the Suns when you're up 20 with two, three minutes left, and Jokic is still on the court because he only has nine rebounds. Walk me through that decision.

Speaker 12 Hey, I said he doesn't stat pet.

Speaker 1 I stat pet for him.

Speaker 12 I keep him out there so he can get those marks. You know, it's funny you say that.

Speaker 12 Uh, somebody asked me a question, and then I was walking out of the press room after that game, and uh, the guy who asked me the question came up to me. He goes, you know what? I agree.

Speaker 12 These playoffs, Nicole, has been unbelievable. He goes, but one, one rebound in the phoenix sun series i have to say he did stat pat

Speaker 1 yeah it is great because you're right you're right he has not stat pat he's been unbelievable but there is that one game where you were you were up 20 and the suns were dead and he was still in there with three minutes left and i was like huh and then he got his rebound and he got pulled i think he got a rebound another assist and he got taken out like 20 seconds later Well, you know what's funny about it?

Speaker 12 Like, I get these questions after like a big game, and there's always going to be some guy saying to me, Coach, you were up 25, but three minutes ago, you still had your starters in.

Speaker 12 And like, that's what they focus on.

Speaker 12 And for me, maybe it's being around the game as long as I have been, and probably to detriment at times, I always have fear that somebody's going to come back and make a run with the three-point line.

Speaker 12 And so, and then I got home yesterday, and my, I got two daughters, a senior who just graduated, she'll be a freshman in college next year, and a sophomore who will be a junior next year.

Speaker 12 And they came over to me laughing, and there was this meme, and it says, this is Mike Mike Malone when his team is up 30, and somebody doesn't hustle down the court.

Speaker 12 And it was a guy, a coach, throwing a chair across the court.

Speaker 12 And it said, and one of the titles is that bro is always angry.

Speaker 1 So I'm not always angry.

Speaker 12 I can smile and have a good time with you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. No,

Speaker 6 listen, we love the Nuggets. We're a very pro Nuggets podcast.
We've been rooting for you for a while.

Speaker 6 I do want to say it was a, from a personal standpoint, it was a questionable decision to not play KCP the entire fourth quarter of game two. What was going on with that?

Speaker 6 Some of us were very interested in KCP getting one more anything in the stat column, and you didn't play him the entire fourth quarter, Coach. Zero minutes in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 12 And the best thing about that is if you see KCP in the fourth quarter when he's not in, He's the first guy off the bench.

Speaker 12 He's cheering on Bruce Brown, who played for him in that fourth quarter.

Speaker 12 And like after that game, I think it was the same game where Jeff Green and Bruce played the whole fourth quarter and KCP and Aaron Gordon did not.

Speaker 12 And that group that was out there just was playing at such a high level, defending, scoring, and we pulled away. So

Speaker 1 you gave him a participation trophy on his bet. Well, no, thank you.
Thank you for your apology. That's all I was looking for.

Speaker 6 Listen, I'm not making this personal. The apology was well received.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that. If high fives counted as points, you would have won that bet.

Speaker 12 So PFT, help me out. So PFT stands for.

Speaker 6 It stands for Pro Football Talk.

Speaker 1 Okay. Or Pretty FNT.
Pro-like thick.

Speaker 12 Either one. So when are we going to change it to PBT?

Speaker 6 Pro-Basketball?

Speaker 6 If the Nuggets win, I'll be PBT. In the finals.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You heard it here.

Speaker 1 We know.

Speaker 6 In the finals, I will be PNT commenter.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 And then yesterday, the guys told me, oh, you're going to love these guys. They're awesome.
Big cat. I'm like, Andres Colaraga's got a podcast.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 12 now I have a much better awareness of you guys, the podcast, and I will definitely be tuning in.

Speaker 1 I actually used to, so I used to do a hit for the Bears in Chicago on Fox Chicago at like 7 a.m. on Mondays after their games.
And there's a big cat, James Williams, who used to play for the Bears.

Speaker 1 And so when I showed up the first time, the people were like, wait you're not like a six seven black guy what's going on here so i i that happens every now and then i'm yeah benandris colarraga legend of the game legend legend no doubt yeah well coach best of luck we're rooting for you we appreciate you coming on and we got a you're now a recurring guest so anytime we want you on you have to come on

Speaker 12 I can't wait. I will definitely be on with you guys again.
Looking forward to it. Appreciate the time and the opportunity and appreciate all your support.

Speaker 12 Love to hear that this is a Pro Nuggets podcast. We appreciate that.
There's not many of them out there.

Speaker 1 So thanks a lot. Yes, absolutely.
All right. See you, coach.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Big Jay Okerson, very funny comedian.
Go check out his new special, Dog Belly. You can watch it on YouTube now.
Big Jay, thank you for coming in.

Speaker 1 Thank you for having me. What a cool studio.
It's a dump. You know it's a dump.
You can just say it's a dump. It's lived in.
It's lived in, for sure.

Speaker 1 No, this definitely needs a woman's charm, I guess, but

Speaker 1 you got to respect the Smith machine, the weightlifting rack. Yeah, you haven't even noticed the best part about it is you're sitting on a couch that is being held up by paint cans.
Is it really?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so be careful with any sudden movements. Also, this is Velour, so I assume any part that's scratchy is semen.
Yes, probably. Yes, exactly.
Exactly. Well, so thank you for coming on, man.

Speaker 1 You are a very, very accomplished, funny comedian. We thought it would be great to have you on.
You also a sports fan? Yeah, big sports day for Philly. Yeah.
Rivers Outski.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so if you look right there to your left, Max, our producer, he's actually getting

Speaker 1 people are saying he looks like you right now because he's got a soul patch.

Speaker 1 He had to get the soul patch because the Sixers lost to the Celtics. Oh, that was the thing.
Yeah. Are you a Sixers fan or you just thought they were going to win? No, he's

Speaker 8 unfortunately a Sixers fan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, too.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Do you feel like getting rid of Doc,

Speaker 6 that's going to cure anything? I think it's good. Like, you had to get rid of Doc.

Speaker 1 It's the first move, yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know at this point. This might just

Speaker 1 be me talking

Speaker 1 angry shit because

Speaker 1 they lost, but I think maybe Embiid could go too at this point. Yeah.
Doesn't have that dog. Yeah.
I don't think he's a, he might not be a winner. Yeah.
Yeah. He's awesome.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's an unbelievable talent. And that's my favorite.
Like, our show is basically built on being like, you know, the dumbest sports fans.

Speaker 1 And that, I would imagine, is being called into every Philly radio station right now being like, he's not a winner. He's a loser.
Guy who just won the MVP. Yeah, he's not.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's a loser is the wrong word. I just don't think he's like a.

Speaker 1 He doesn't have that fight. Like you said, he won't put the, he can't lead that team.
Yeah. Like he doesn't make anybody else better.

Speaker 6 It's been a while since we had the championship DNA conversation. I don't know if he has championship DNA.

Speaker 6 He gives off a little Carson Wentz vibes.

Speaker 1 Yes, but I'm also.

Speaker 1 That's the meanest thing you can tell someone ever. I know.

Speaker 6 That was over the line.

Speaker 1 I'll admit that. I'm almost thinking for Philly and the personality of Philly Sports.
I say a straight up for John Morant. Yeah.
Ooh, I like that.

Speaker 1 Philly can handle uh a problematic like alan iverson he's like alan iverson every way to me yeah like the way he plays and his off

Speaker 1 if there was social media when alan iverson was playing he'd have flashed a gun yeah for sure yeah he got caught with guns like all the time yeah and he would just get in trouble but there's no video right there wasn't like uh tick tocks of him like singing and waving it around it it is we were talking about it the other day but it's just insane that john morant like the one rule it's just don't take your gun out during an instagram live it's very easy actually Yeah, you'd have thought he would have like figured it out after the first one, but it does now make funny like all of the

Speaker 1 you know when he has to do a sit-down wearing like a turtleneck and be like, That's not me. I should have done that.
That's not the person I am.

Speaker 1 And I don't, you know, kids are watching, and I know that. And he was so like,

Speaker 1 and then, you know, what is it? A month later. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, the season's over.

Speaker 1 A little longer than two months. Let's give him some great.

Speaker 6 It's been three days now. So we can say today it's been three days since John Morant has last showed a firearm on a social media post.

Speaker 1 You had to erase that board the days without incident. Yeah, let's celebrate the progress on this one.

Speaker 6 I was reading a little bit about your history and the way that you came up through the scene. Did you, you were, you got started doing stand-up when you were in college? Is that right?

Speaker 1 No. Oh, yeah, I guess so.
I was in college for like a month or two, and then I tried an open mic, and I did good enough that it gave me an excuse to quit college. Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a good excuse. Actually, Burt Kreischer on his podcast, we had one of the funniest moments of like

Speaker 1 self-realization. Maybe sometimes I feel like we hang on to something we thought when we were younger and has never really been challenged.
And I used to always tell the story of starting

Speaker 1 comedy. I told this to Bert on his podcast once.
I was like, I started doing comedy. I dropped out of college immediately.
It was just a community college anyway. And my parents were all pissed off.

Speaker 1 They got furious. And I said that I eventually got my family to get behind me just in the sense of, I had a speech with them.
And I was like, you know, this is, I'm a quitter by nature.

Speaker 1 And if I have like a backup plan, I'll bail on this. But I think I want to try doing this.
So, you know, if I can go back to school in a couple of years if this isn't working out good.

Speaker 1 But right now, I got to put all my eggs into this basket. And Burt just started cackling and goes, you could have done both.

Speaker 1 And he's absolutely right.

Speaker 1 I just didn't care for school. Yeah.
So any excuse to get out of it would have been fine for me. But it's a good origin.
It's like Bill Gates. Did Bill Gates drop out of college? No.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Kobe. Kobe.
Yeah, Kobe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all these guys didn't go to college. Yeah.
Kyrie. Yeah.
Antinana. Yeah, all these guys.

Speaker 1 Daryl Dawkins.

Speaker 6 It makes sense, though. It's like,

Speaker 6 you know, burn the boats. You know, you don't have, if you don't leave yourself a backup option, then right.

Speaker 1 But it was young enough. I mean, I was doing com when you first start, if you're getting up once a week, it's fantastic.
Right. And these things are always at night, and they're not over too late.

Speaker 1 And these are all things I could have just gone to the three classes I was taking.

Speaker 1 Do a 10-minute set. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Do you remember the first joke?

Speaker 1 Oh my God, I have to put all my eggs in this basket. Well, I mean, that is true.
If you want to be a real comedian, you have to like wake up at three o'clock in the afternoon, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You've got to live that life. Yeah.
Drink a beer to get rid of the shakes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 My first, I don't remember the first joke I ever told, but I know my first like set I ever wrote was all,

Speaker 1 it's such an interesting thing starting. I started at 19.

Speaker 1 So when you're that young, you don't realize, I think, until you get older, like you need some life experience to

Speaker 1 talk about so when i first started i thought i was being a genius too i was like jerry springer shows crazy what's with mari povich living with your mom's nuts you're just you're just doing the greatest hits of skipping school and staying home yeah you guys

Speaker 1 yeah yeah you guys think you'd rock plinko what's going on there i remember it was uh was it eddie murphy that that was talking about kind of that same thing write what you know and his first set was just about taking a shit because he was like 14 years old and that's that's the entire life experience that he had was just shitting well it's kind of funny you know eddie murphy is such a good example because you know he lives on those two specials and not to take anything away from him they were hits and they were both great and they hit me when i was younger but as someone who's been doing it so long now like i see the 19 year old because he was 19 and delirious right so like i see that all over it now Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 At the time, he was like older than me when I saw it and I thought he was like a seasoned, and he was, but like the material itself is not really like

Speaker 1 anything like, you know, it doesn't really give you any insight into him. He does a long sit on like, you know, what if this old TV star, but fuck this TV star?

Speaker 1 I mean, that plays.

Speaker 1 And then like the one long story about the barbecue.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the Rocky story. Like, don't mess with a white guy after you just saw Rocky.
And then Rawl.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Rawl was in his early 20s. So, yeah, it is funny.

Speaker 1 I almost, you know, because he's always threatening to come back and do comedy again, and then it doesn't work out. And then I think the reason always comes out.

Speaker 1 He's like, well, where could I possibly work out new jokes when I'm so famous? Right. You could.

Speaker 1 I think he's worried, like, he, I don't know if his skill level on that particular thing, stand-up, has like changed. He hasn't done it in 30 years.
Yeah. It'd be pretty rocky.

Speaker 1 And from everything we've talked about with comedians, it really is you have to do it every day. Like you, yeah, all you can do is disappoint.
Right. Yeah.
That's true. That is true.

Speaker 1 He can't really do anything that's going to make it go, oh, well, right where he left off. Right, right.
Yeah, the bars already, so he left the bar so high, you can't just show up.

Speaker 1 Guys, I went to go see Creed III in the theater the other day. He's always got to move up with a Rocky movie.

Speaker 1 So, you also,

Speaker 1 you were security for escorts, is that right? Yeah, I mean, that's a wild. I mean, everyone, you have the look.

Speaker 1 Like, anyone who's been on maybe not escorts, but like a bachelor party and you hire a stripper, you usually walk in the door.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were relying on that look and didn't really ask me about any of my defensive skills.

Speaker 1 And the look, you know, I guess usually would work.

Speaker 1 I try to use my mind in that job more like where, you know, there is somebody, somebody in the ladder here has given a credit card number to somebody. Right.
Because,

Speaker 1 you know, that's just how it works. So like reminding them of that.

Speaker 1 Driving escorts that were just escorts was actually weirdly seedier because you just drive and like you wait outside of some weird house and then some

Speaker 1 girl goes in and then comes out and then has to to have a conversation with you like like you know right she's like sorry i was late i had to queef out some cum

Speaker 1 sorry were you waiting long uh you know yeah

Speaker 1 the other ones were like uh you'd go

Speaker 1 and they were like strippers also so like you'd go and they would like dance and some of them weren't escorts but uh some of them like what it was pretty gross yeah i mean it is like

Speaker 1 the look i think is 95 of the job because you walk in and it's a bunch of dudes at a bachelor party, and they just need to have someone who they're like, Oh, he could probably fuck me up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes it would be like sending me to North Philadelphia with like 15

Speaker 1 young black dudes and me

Speaker 1 where they're good. So it's like, you know, you gotta be like, hey, guys, rap music, right? Just try to like relate.

Speaker 1 Hey, look at my foo boo sneakers. I'm sure you had some wild.
So you were doing that and stand-up at the same time?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I thought it was a good way to like make money and not have to like put too much work in. Also, fat insecure kid kid that I definitely thought I was like, oh, and these hot chips.

Speaker 1 One, I'm going to get paid to watch these girls get naked, basically. Yeah.
And then, uh, and then they're probably going to be all horned up. Probably take a shot at me.

Speaker 1 Shot at the title on the way home. No, it was,

Speaker 1 you go. It was mostly depressing.
And then the ride home was them,

Speaker 1 you know, telling me their.

Speaker 1 long-term plan of getting their children back from the government or

Speaker 1 finally getting away from this guy that beats them up and you're like, okay, well, here we are.

Speaker 1 Good luck.

Speaker 1 Time to go get gangbanged by guys in Ocean City.

Speaker 1 Let's put a pin in this conversation about your child being taken by the government. Let's go do this gangbang in Ocean City, New Jersey.

Speaker 6 Yeah, did you use your own car for that or was it a company car?

Speaker 1 Own car.

Speaker 6 What did it smell like afterwards? Was there, because anyone that's ever had a stripper come to their house, there's a distinct stripper smell.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe there were. I don't really fully remember that.
I said I was definitely in the beginning, I didn't do it very, very long. Or I shouldn't say it.

Speaker 1 I did it for several years, but very on and off. So I would do it like six weekends in a row or something, and then I'd be like, you know, get away from it.

Speaker 1 And then like you'd lose sort of that company.

Speaker 1 But there was a time where you could just go on the yellow pages and anything that was like, you know, you look for it's like Bill's Creepy Entertainment or something. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Some name it just made sense that it was going to be strippers. Yep.
And you can call and be like, hey, I'm a driver. I've done this before.

Speaker 1 And I mean, with no back check, they'll be like, go pick up these three girls. You sound like not a murderer.

Speaker 1 I did it one time in New York only.

Speaker 1 And it was,

Speaker 1 I think it's sort of like a different system, I think, here than it was in Philadelphia. I picked up, I told this on Mark Marin's thing years ago, but I picked up these, it was three girls.

Speaker 1 And the plan in New York, they just have you get girls in the car. and then just wait for something to roll in.
You know, you wait for a call to come in.

Speaker 1 Oh, so, yeah, you're like an Uber sitting there. I mean,

Speaker 1 no one got a job of these girls. And thank God, that would have been its own problem.
Yeah. One of them mercifully didn't have a lazy eye.
One of the three.

Speaker 1 And then just listening to them compare notes over

Speaker 1 how to get this one old man off that everybody gets called to. And just, it was really like,

Speaker 1 it was pretty creepy. And then just sitting in a car double parked in Times Square for like four hours.
And then the guy's like, yep, guess nothing tonight.

Speaker 6 No work. Did you get paid?

Speaker 1 And then, no. No, there's no

Speaker 1 only night I ever did it in New York. It was just one night.
I would imagine talking about life experience and how you started comedy at 19.

Speaker 1 That's that's like the fastest way to get life experience to do a job like that. Yeah, no, for sure.

Speaker 1 And also comedy itself because then you start traveling and opening for people and you kind of get like

Speaker 1 experience how it goes. You know, it's interesting that someone like Pete Davidson is like so young, but I mean, he was thrust into life experience.
He definitely has things to talk about

Speaker 1 because of all those things. But yeah, at 19, all I knew was like my mom's house, me and my friends going to an Eagles game, playing basketball and going to the mall to try to talk to chicks.

Speaker 1 So it really wasn't anything like

Speaker 1 I had nothing. It was all TV shows I've seen and

Speaker 1 movies I've watched.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I was reading your bio. It refers to you as a comics comic.
That seems like a good thing to be called. Would you consider yourself a comics comic?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I hope so.
I mean, the people I always like

Speaker 1 to watch, I would describe like that. Would it be Patrice or Attel or people like that? When they went on stage, Geraldo, when they went on stage, the clubs, like the comics all tried to, like,

Speaker 1 stop what they were doing and watch them. I mean, the staff.
So that's a cool thing. But,

Speaker 1 yeah, it would also be good to be a people, an audience's comic. Yeah, I was going to say, is there like a little sneaky diss in there where it's like, yeah, he is the funniest guy.

Speaker 1 He just hasn't had the Dane Cook. tour.
Yeah, I don't know if it's a,

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's like backhanded at all, but like it definitely is such a funny like anyone they call a comics not that they're not successful people, but anyway they call a comics comic is like they're a comics comic because no one else knows about them.

Speaker 1 Right. Right.
The comics are aware.

Speaker 6 But it said that you were on Tough Crowd, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did it once. Yeah, that seems

Speaker 6 that seems like maybe one of the funniest shows that nobody talks about these days. I used to love watching Colin Quinn and the rotating panel that he would have on.

Speaker 1 Where are you from?

Speaker 6 I'm from originally Washington, D.C. So I remember watching that show almost every night in college.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was the problem, I mean, it's great. It was a hilarious show.
I loved it, but like, I'd have to assume like the long-term issue with it was it was really

Speaker 1 local New York comedy scene, like heavy. Do you know what I mean? Like, you had to know, like,

Speaker 1 they would say names like the booker of the comedy seller, like, everyone knew who it was. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 And they go, you know how Estee gets when she's in a bad mood booking the show. Yeah.
I assume people in like Iowa are like, what the fuck are they talking about?

Speaker 1 It was very local. Yeah.
But it was, I mean, one of the funniest shows ever on TV. Yeah.
But so, so your new special is Dogbelly. You had a couple specials.

Speaker 1 Is this the one like I love, by the way, that you did on YouTube? I feel like comedians are starting to do that. And we've, you know, we're friends with Stav and he has his special out on YouTube.

Speaker 1 Like, what... Did you try to sell it? And you're like, no, I want to do it on YouTube because I can make just as much money and more people will see it.

Speaker 1 No, I was trying to just have one of the streaming services pay for it outright, just like produce it completely.

Speaker 1 And then with all the quarantine stuff and like everything changing, I mean, quite frankly, it was like

Speaker 1 I had a couple, like Netflix and HBO were both supposed to come, like, watch me run the hour to see if they were interested in picking it up.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 then

Speaker 1 by the time after like quarantine, me too, and then Black Lives Matter happened.

Speaker 1 And essentially, in not so many words, they were like, Yeah, we can't just throw some straight white guy that no one really knows that well into the mix right here.

Speaker 1 Like, there's nothing to sell it with. So, it kind of like then I got defeated.
And then Davattle and Ari Shafir were kind of like the two people who were like, Just let's do it. Right.

Speaker 1 Just do it yourself. Yeah.
And then,

Speaker 1 easier said than done, also. It's crazy expensive to do.
Yeah. But, like, I do love the ownership of it and everything.
And it is pretty great. But then we were like,

Speaker 1 we'll make it high quality also, so we can like try to sell it. And then by the time it came, like,

Speaker 1 you know, hey, now's the time to like shop this around if we're going to see if somebody wants to buy it. I was like, man, it's going to hurt more if I give them a finished product too.

Speaker 1 And then they go, this is great, but no. Yeah.
So I was just like, let's just give it, let's just give it out

Speaker 1 for free. And then you hope it, you know, moves tickets.

Speaker 6 Yeah, when you were watching the debut of it on YouTube, were you nervous? Did you click into it? Be like, nobody's going to watch this. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 It was fun. Yeah, it is.
That's the other thing with all the streaming services that I've been on Comedy Central and Netflix before, and like, you only just know by reaction online,

Speaker 1 like social media interaction. And like,

Speaker 1 you know, there's never stress over the numbers. That, when it's on YouTube, you go back every hour and be like, oh, that was a slow hour.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then now it's like, you know, it even hits like, and it did great. It's like 1.6 million, I think it is, in a month, which is good.
I think we hit the million in five days.

Speaker 1 That's almost the thing. I hit the million in five days, and now it's like 1.6.
And you're like,

Speaker 1 seem to have hit a bit of a wall there.

Speaker 1 So you don't know what's going to make people jump back on it again.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no matter how much promotion you put into it, no matter how big you are, I assume that everybody at every level has that moment where they click into it and they're like, what if nobody watches me?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like, I would definitely be thinking about that.

Speaker 1 Especially all the promotion I did leading up to it. And then like Ari was great, you know, in the producing of it.
Like the day it came out, he made me sit like five hours and and text every

Speaker 1 celebrity or person I've met in my life. Some of them did it too, which is pretty funny.
Like, hey, lead singer of living color.

Speaker 1 We're sort of, we sort of know each other, and he promoted it for me, which I thought was really cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's always a shitty feeling to have to do, like, in the content game, to like ask other people to share because it's, it is what makes kind of the world go round, but it also, like, it never is fun to just be like, hey, you're my friend.

Speaker 1 Can you do this? Even though we're friends, like, please plug me. Also, I don't have good karma on that.
I have a lot of people that are like, can you post this thing?

Speaker 1 And I'll just be like, Mark as unread. Yeah, right, right, right.
And then the time comes for you and you're like, shit, I probably should have replied. Yeah, and then I'll be crappy.

Speaker 1 I'll be like, can you believe so-and-so didn't answer the way I wouldn't have to not promote their special as well?

Speaker 6 Or just like the week before your special comes out, you just go back through all those messages and just do nothing but promote other people.

Speaker 6 Yeah, just knowing that you're about to send that text out to them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just build it all up.

Speaker 1 i also uh i was listening to a show you're on uh it's probably a month ago you do a lot of cruises or you've done a lot of cruises yeah i'm fascinated with that what it's like to be a performer on a cruise because i've been on a cruise maybe once or twice um they're not the best they suck yeah i was gonna like it is very weird to them pretty quick yeah to be on vacation with everyone at the same time but from a performer's perspective like are you just watching the whole thing being like what is going on well it's funny, whatever day,

Speaker 1 however many days of cruises, I feel like, because I've done like the four and I think I've done three, four, and five days I've performed on. And

Speaker 1 whether it's five or three, the last day you're like, get me off this goddamn thing. Right.
Like, if I can't look at this buffet or buffet people anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I've never done like a cruise ship that was like, thank God, that's the thing that

Speaker 1 it'd be a tail tuck for me because just what I do.

Speaker 1 But if you do like Carnival cruise lines or norwegian cruise and you're on just the cruise as the comedian the rules are insane uh there was a comic like legendarily got helicoptered off the plane because he went into a girl like a girl's room like on the cruise ship they found out he went with like a customer right into the room they helicoptered him off the plane because it's such a rule break apparently right but the ones i've all done are chartered cruises so it's it could be carnival or Norwegian, but they're not involved, it's it's taken over by a thing.

Speaker 1 So, I've done a shiprocked is the one I've done the most, it's a heavy metal cruise ship, so it's like porn and godsmack and all these bands

Speaker 1 that I've done it with, so that and that's rule-less. You can go back to anybody's room, but the median weight of females on shiprocked, I'd say, is about me plus.

Speaker 1 So, it's not a real uh fuck fest but it is like there are no rules so it's not so bad in that regard because like and then also in your downtime uh

Speaker 1 you know you could go watch bands play all day long so it's pretty cool but i mean i assume and even that after a while like just like they suck you know i mean you go and you do them but like they wear i've done the impractical jokers a couple times that's fun because there's a bunch of friends on it there

Speaker 1 so like the entertainment wise and

Speaker 1 stuff to do is better on those but it's still just after so many days. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And if I was just on a cruise ship where the entertainment was like a share impersonator and like a comic who has to do cruise ships, it would be, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So that sounds crazy. They, they helicoptered a guy off because you're not allowed to fraternize at all with the other people that are on the cruise.

Speaker 6 You have to just like be by yourself or with the other performers.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And you could hang out, I think, with like.
the staff that is from all over the globe. Right.
So like no one has a great grip on English.

Speaker 1 They just know how to say washy-washy and squirt your hands with hands.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I see, I see you got the X on your hand. Are you straight edge?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 That's almost like stolen.

Speaker 6 That's like stolen valor for straight edge people.

Speaker 1 So confusing.

Speaker 1 I think the last little bit of ink was getting put into it when someone came up to me and goes, straight edge? And I was like, oh, right.

Speaker 1 No, it's my show. That's the bonfire logo, and that's the mouth of the Legion of Skanks logo.
So that's what it's supposed to be. But yes, it does appear that I am straight straight-edged.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It does confuse people when I smoke pot. Yeah.
Yeah. I was going to say.
And that's my pot smoking hand. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it was very confusing. Suck on that CM Punk.

Speaker 1 You started your own festival with Skank Fest, which, like, that's, I mean, incredible, like, to, to have the balls to be like, hey, let's get everyone together. And it's grown to such a huge level.

Speaker 1 Did you ever imagine that it would get to like the level that people are looking forward to and buying tickets right away to Skank Fest every year? I didn't even think it was a good idea.

Speaker 1 I thought it was going going to be a failure of an idea.

Speaker 1 That's the vision of Luis J. Gomez.
He really sees it.

Speaker 1 He knows how to,

Speaker 1 you know, he got Rebecca Trent and Christine Evans, who's my girlfriend for a long time now,

Speaker 1 to kind of help him. And they're all three partners.
Those are the three major partners of the festival. And they put that thing together every year.
I'm just like a figurehead by name.

Speaker 1 It's, you know, my podcast

Speaker 1 is kind of like the focal point of it. But yeah, that's those guys.
I really, am

Speaker 1 small potatoes in my visions. Like, when I did my first Comedy Central special, it was like 17 years into doing comedy.

Speaker 1 I got that, and my agents reminded me the other day when we finished the second show that night. I went to him and I was like, That was as far as I pictured in comedy.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I don't know what the next thing is. Yeah, I said I wanted to do an hour special that everyone could see.

Speaker 1 That's it. Yeah, I'm like,

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's over

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Speaker 6 So what is what is like the next big thing for you to conquer? You want to do like movies, TV?

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 1 I don't like either of those things.

Speaker 1 I love broadcasting. I really do.
I really like to do the bonfire with Robert Kelly now. I did it for eight years with Dan Soder, who's a genius at that stuff.

Speaker 1 Excuse me, Legion of Skanks. I have so many

Speaker 1 broadcasting, and that seems to scratch the same itch as stand-up to me. Yeah.
Acting and sitting around, reading other people's funny words or whatever doesn't really like.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't like it.
I feel like every time I've done acting, I was in the movie Hustlers,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 within those three days I was there,

Speaker 1 long days, but within that, I got to watch J-Lo do like the dance she did in the movie, which was insane.

Speaker 1 Cardi B was there at one point, Lizzo,

Speaker 1 Usher,

Speaker 1 and of course, J-Lo. And with all of it, I just,

Speaker 1 I mean, the 30 seconds or two minutes of like actual filming I was a part of every day was not worth the just sitting.

Speaker 1 I still look at those days as like nightmarishly long sitting around doing nothing days. Yeah, yeah.
So you were smart to drop out of college. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just sitting in class. It wasn't my thing.
It wasn't my thing. What's uh, I love asking comedians, like, what's the best underrated comedy city in America that you like to go?

Speaker 1 Because most comedians, and you can maybe tell me I'm wrong, they say Miami sucks.

Speaker 1 Wow, really? Does everybody say that? Yeah. Because I, yeah, Miami sucks.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 why is that? I don't know. Well, for me, it's because whatever reason, that's just a city I just like don't draw like tickets in.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And then people show up for a comedy show, and it's mostly Cubans who want to hear,

Speaker 1 you know. Cuban household parents.
They're like this. Right.
And I don't have any of that. In fact, I go up there.
I'm like, what's up, Cubans?

Speaker 1 And then I start doing a Mexican voice for them, which they don't love.

Speaker 6 I think people are just too hot in Miami.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 physically. Yeah, but I think you're right.
It's a city that does, like, they want to go party. They want to interact.
They're not really into like sitting and observing like a thing.

Speaker 1 So if unless you, again, if I was drawing my own audience, it's, I mean, I,

Speaker 1 Tampa. It's like a great place for me.
Yeah. But they love Hulk Hogan.
Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, Tampa, like all the retired wrestlers living in Tampa, is one of my favorite things about Tampa.
It's so funny, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like on Monday nights, you can go to Hulk Hogan's restaurant, and it's just like I've been, you know, it's like what happened because I just had coconut shrimp with Brutus the Barber beef,

Speaker 1 yes, yes. There's something about Tampa, it's just like it's just so pure Florida.
Like, people think of Florida, they think of Miami. I think Tampa is the most Florida of Florida.

Speaker 1 No, it is because you get all of it. It's the white trash,

Speaker 1 the morbidly obese Latinas walking around in short shorts and bathing suits.

Speaker 1 I mean, just

Speaker 1 confidence. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a beautiful, beautiful place.

Speaker 1 That's why I would never live there. Florida's too humid for me to live my fat hoodie lifestyle all year round.
Oh, dude. Tell me.
I mean, I was actually wondering, like, have you been Big J forever?

Speaker 1 Because that, like, I know personally, like, the bodega I go to around the corner from my house, like, I'll walk out and there's a guy out there all the time who calls me big guy.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, that kind of hurts. Cause I know he's not saying that to everyone.
You know what I mean? Like, he's saying, he's profiling me. He's like, big guy.
Hey, big man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So were you always big J?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, the name came.
It was funny. The why that even sticks

Speaker 1 like in like comedy and like that I've just always used it was when I first started comedy. I had, I switched schools senior year of high school.
I went from Philadelphia to South Jersey.

Speaker 1 for one year and my best friend that I became friends with at that school his name was Jay also

Speaker 1 By the way, six foot tall, not little.

Speaker 1 But he was, he started dating a girl who was kind of friends with the group. So when she would differentiate who she was, she would say Big Jay and Little Jay.

Speaker 1 He's still called Little Jay, by the way, which is so funny. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 and that was it. So then when I started doing comedy, I started in the all-black circuit, and I saw the disregard

Speaker 1 for a comic's last name by the host was very evident right away. They really really didn't.
So rather than have it get massacred all the time, I was like, I'll just be Big Jay. That's smart.

Speaker 1 And then, which worked out. And then when I started getting

Speaker 1 into the more mainstream stuff, like the mainstream clubs and everything, I just put my last name on it. But I kept Big J.
Such a funny, pompous thought because I have none, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 But I was like, what about all my Black Circuit fans? I don't want them to not know who, you know, they see Jay Okris, and they're not going to know it's their favorite white comic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you don't want to turn your back on them.

Speaker 1 And it's funny at 45 getting the question because I always just like

Speaker 1 give like a half-hearted, they're like, what do you mean to say I bring a Big J or just Jay Okrisson? I'm like,

Speaker 1 whatever, man. It's weird if you just, if you say one or the other.
No, Big Jay, please. Yes.
Don't fuck this up.

Speaker 6 Would you rather be like a slightly portly man, like in Big Cat's example, and have somebody be like, what's up, big dog?

Speaker 1 Or would you rather be someone who's evidently small like myself and be called like what's up big boy because for me whenever i get called like big man i hate yeah that's the one way that you can really twist a knife it's like you don't you don't mean that i don't know that's funny i i have so many uh like internal aspirations to just go shopping at a mall and buy cool jeans and be smaller yeah but i also feel like there's like an identity loss in being like too small.

Speaker 1 Like one thing I've always,

Speaker 1 not that I haven't had any problems or

Speaker 1 people fucking with me physically in the world, but I think it's just a little less of like that. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I've also done, just for like argument's sake, squatted down and walked at a height of like a girl I know once, and I was like, what a terrifying world. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 It looks like everybody's like looming over you when they talk and everything. So it's like,

Speaker 1 yeah, I guess I'd rather be like a bigger guy than a smaller guy. Yeah, and you can't shred it, like you can't die from small.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 You can't, yeah. Being like,

Speaker 1 yeah, you can. You'll starve to death.

Speaker 1 Small people do live longer. That is just a fact.
Like big dogs, like I know, like there's a there's a moment where my body will just be like, you shouldn't have done all this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but then you also have those years where you're a very heavy problem for everybody. That's true.
When you can't move so much,

Speaker 1 you got to carry a tank of something with you at all times connected to nose hoses.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah, you can't get shredded, though, because that's not funny.
Like there are no really good-looking comedians. There's some, I think there's really funny people that are, they have to find

Speaker 1 it. It's almost that's like the harder thing, is then you have to find what's like

Speaker 1 kitschy about you. You can't just be like,

Speaker 1 it's always been very easy for me to get pussy, and I got a pretty awesome dick. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 You're not going to really, really reel anybody in with that one. So, it's the other thing:

Speaker 1 being a big guy, especially young. That was such a funny thing me and Patrice O'Neal had in the beginning of my comedy because I,

Speaker 1 as most fat comics will do too, all my jokes in the beginning, again, because I had no limited life experience, where I'm fat, and this is what being fat's like, and this is fat, and I've done this fat thing.

Speaker 1 And I guess Patrice had a bunch of jokes like that, too, at the time,

Speaker 1 like just being fat jokes. And I remember we did a show at Caroline's here in New York one time, the late Carolines now,

Speaker 1 years ago, and he

Speaker 1 something, it kind of telephoned back to me.

Speaker 1 I looked up to Patrice so much, and they were like, Patrice says you're stealing his material.

Speaker 1 And that got me, that frazzled me in so many ways because, one, I look up to him, two,

Speaker 1 I was hurt because I know it's not true.

Speaker 1 And also, like, but I'm like, well, how do I argue this? Like, I don't want to be, if I go argue this with Patrice, like, he's going to win the argument.

Speaker 1 He's like such a bigger personality and funnier. And there's all these, like, you know, so I kind of ignored him for a while.
And I remember he gave me a call, Landline, how long ago this was.

Speaker 1 And his first words, he just goes, I didn't say that you were stealing my jokes.

Speaker 1 And he explained that he was like, I just said to someone, I go, by the time I get on stage closing these shows, these showcases, I have nothing to talk about because Jay is doing all fat guy stuff, which made much more sense to me.

Speaker 1 And then he said, Yeah, he goes, but I'm going to like, he goes, but I shouldn't even have said that because he was like, you could do with those jokes, do them. He's like, I'm been doing this longer.

Speaker 1 I should be. I don't want to just do, I got more to say than just like simple fat guy jokes.
And then, as soon as he said that, I was like, Well, I don't want to just do simple fat guy jokes.

Speaker 1 He's like, Yeah. So I feel like that was such an important moment for me, too, to almost be like, Yeah, I shouldn't rely because I don't want to be

Speaker 1 my eventually my thing be taken down by like a fat

Speaker 1 Er guy. Oh, no, a fat guy's going on before me.
I'm done.

Speaker 1 There's another up-and-coming fatter comedian. You're fucked.

Speaker 1 You're looking at like everyone who's doing the stand in the comedy cell. You're like, wait,

Speaker 1 his BMI is okay.

Speaker 6 Oh, no, he's from Philly, too.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. We got a fat kind of thing.
And then the anger when a guy who's like slightly chubby is like, being a big fat fuck like me, I don't. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can't take those.

Speaker 1 You can't take that from us.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 That's interesting. That sounds like a pretty cool thing for Patrice to do to like have the...

Speaker 6 ability to see that, yeah, he's not stealing material. I'll call him.
I'll give him some words of encouragement because he got back to him.

Speaker 6 He seems like a good guy. And I always seem that it always seems that in comedy, there's always going to be competition, even if they're your friends, if they're your peers.

Speaker 6 You're all ultimately competing against each other in the same way.

Speaker 6 But I do think that now that there's more opportunities, that's just not, you know, you get a special on Comedy Central, you get a special in HBO.

Speaker 6 Now that there's more opportunities for you to put your own stuff out, I do feel like from the comedians we've talked to, it's become more like, yeah, you can have friends, like true friends that you root for.

Speaker 1 No, absolutely.

Speaker 1 There's so many avenues and stuff too. And I think also like that competition thing.

Speaker 1 And I don't, it's not a,

Speaker 1 I wonder if that was more of like an LA thing. New York, I've always felt much more of a sense.
I know, I think it's changed now. I think there's so much splintering with like,

Speaker 1 there's like a woke comedy scene or something. It's like a whole different, it's just crazy shit.

Speaker 1 But in New York, I felt because New York, what didn't really seem to be like the bulk of everybody was trying to become like a sitcom actor or anything. If you were doing that, you were out in L.A.

Speaker 1 And I think that competition, but it manifested in a weirder way. In L.A., everyone was super nice to each other, it seemed like very complimentary.

Speaker 1 And no matter what you did, Kevin Hart explained this to me once when he moved out there, like what the difference was. And he used the example that if I

Speaker 1 started going, hey guys,

Speaker 1 I'm wearing a halftop on stage. It's my new thing.
Fat guy and a halftop.

Speaker 1 You know, if I walked into the comedy cellar or New York clubs like that, there's five guys waiting to trash me out of that for my own good to be like, What the hell are you doing? Right.

Speaker 1 You look like a moron, like that's stupid. In LA, because it's so competitive, when they know it's a ridiculously shitty idea, just in case that idea pops in some way, they're like, Brilliant, dude.

Speaker 1 It's so brilliant, you know, because like you're drawing people, it's brave, it's whatever, you know.

Speaker 1 So it was more, it sounded more supportive, I feel like, in that world, but I've never, like I said, I have no

Speaker 1 acting, movie star, like TV heavy ambitions at all. So, like, I feel no competition with any.

Speaker 1 I love comics. I like bullshitting with them and hanging out with them as much as possible.

Speaker 1 I do think, though, I've always thought the idea, like, you know, how people, the NBA has become the offseason is almost more exciting than the season for some people, where it's like the trades and who wants out.

Speaker 1 If you could find someone who could, like, the woge or the shams of the comedy scene and being like, this guy talks shit about this guy.

Speaker 1 Like, this guy doesn't think he should be headlining and not opening like yeah be it would it would be fascinating to watch oh man if it yeah but it would be bad yeah i would assume it would be very bad very quickly well you know i think i can't speak on everybody but i feel like especially my friend groups

Speaker 1 there's like

Speaker 1 my opinion of someone's comedy does not ever affect my opinion of them as like a person.

Speaker 1 Do you know what I mean? Now, the people that I choose to be like friends with

Speaker 1 are people who like, and ever years ago, when I started, even I kind of like catch shit for that because I was hanging out.

Speaker 1 I was told by Keith Robinson, who kind of mentored us, do comedy with our like peers and wherever you can get stage time, but kind of hang around the higher-ups.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean, the guys you like look up to, kind of where you want to be. And I would do that, but then I would kind of like catch shit because

Speaker 1 when I was like a 10-year comic, and it's like he hangs out every day with these like four or five-year comics that are his friends. That would be like Lewis and Dave from Legion of Skanks.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, yeah, well, they make me laugh. You know what I mean? It's like, I know they're like young comics and figuring out that, but I was technically still a young comic.

Speaker 1 You know, I was just a little longer than they were. We talk about that all the time on the show, like the

Speaker 1 thing, like, they couldn't believe.

Speaker 1 Yesterday on Legion of Skanks, Dave was saying, Dave Smith used to be at my house all the time, and he was broke.

Speaker 1 And he was like, they thought I was kind of like doing it because I was working the clubs a little bit, but they didn't, you know, I was also also broke. And Dave saying that he was impressed that

Speaker 1 when we wanted to order food, like I had one of those change jugs that had enough change for us to, he's like, man, this guy can just go pull $20 out of that change jug whenever he wants to.

Speaker 1 He's killing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were impressed by that.

Speaker 1 But again, I never like, my friendships were not. And I said, like, I've always

Speaker 1 taken people on the regular soon. Almost to a flaw, I used to get shit for it.
That it's like, if I had like a pinky inside the door, I was also like, Can my friends come?

Speaker 1 Right, yeah, because I like to have like people around and stuff.

Speaker 1 Like, I've gotten better spending time by myself as I got older now, but like when I was younger, I was like, We'll get these guys in also.

Speaker 1 That's a great quality to have, I want them to be around, yeah. So, I did cut you off.
What's your favorite underrated comedy city?

Speaker 1 Underrated comedy city.

Speaker 1 We said Miami sucks, yeah.

Speaker 1 Um, I don't even know if it's like necessarily a city

Speaker 1 because I think like Denver is like it's people know how great Denver is right like it's that club you know but more I'd say the most underrated state for comedy is Ohio Ohio just has a crazy amount of clubs for me and my like like what I prefer with like audiences it's all blue collar pretty much you know I mean that's where I kind of flourish in a place where again because of broadcasting it's truckers,

Speaker 1 blue collar, factory, warehouse guys, people who can just put in headphones and just do their job all day. And getting them through that kind of thing is like where I tend to do where.

Speaker 1 So I like those kind of things. And Ohio just has, I mean, so many clubs.
That's crazy. I never even thought of it.
10, 15 clubs. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 A bunch of big cities that are slept on in Ohio. Like Columbus is a very, very big city.

Speaker 1 Columbus and a great club.

Speaker 1 Cleveland's got a great club. Cincinnati's got a great club.
So it's like, yeah, they're all over the place.

Speaker 1 Then there's like Dayton and Toledo and these like smaller cities that still have like a funny bone in them you can go do. So I do like that's that's probably my most underrated.
That's a good answer.

Speaker 1 How bad did the Eagles Super Bowl hurt you? You were there. Would have hurt worse if I paid for it, not Bert.
Yeah. That's well, Max.
So our producer,

Speaker 1 I had a future on the Eagles to win 200 grand. I put it in August, 22 to 1.
So I sent him, because he's a diehard Eagles fan, I bought him a ticket for six grand.

Speaker 1 And I said, if the Eagles win, you don't have to pay me back. But if the Eagles lose, you have to to pay me back every dollar.
So

Speaker 1 he had the watching the Eagles lose and then realizing at the end he had to pay for the month for the ticket. His face isn't enjoying the story though.
No, no. Yeah, no, my favorite.

Speaker 1 You're not over it. This is just a punching bag for all Philadelphia failures.

Speaker 8 I'm happy that we could bring up both of them within the past 30 minutes.

Speaker 1 It was a hell of a year. Even the sports I couldn't care about, like, you know, they also lost soccer this year.
Yes,

Speaker 1 on the same weekend they lost the Phillies. Oh, I forgot about that, too.
Yeah. Yeah, but that, I I mean, so you, you, do you, like, watch every Eagles game you're in into the season and everything?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. It's uh, it's hard.
So I watch every Sixers game, too. I watch all 82 games.
Damn. Uh, with minimal exceptions.
Sometimes it gets ruined for me, and it's like not worth it to watch it.

Speaker 1 But for the most part, I'm able to avoid it. And I watch mostly on DVR.
Yeah. I'm usually flying home on Sunday when the game's happening.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, no, it is. It's my complete escape.
It was my favorite thing. But Eagles and Sixers primarily.
I love it. I don't watch

Speaker 1 hockey or baseball, really. I feel like there's a lot of comedians that just don't like sports.

Speaker 1 It's weird. Maybe it's just because, I don't know.
I don't know what it is. What is so many gays now?

Speaker 1 But I feel like we have comedians on. Those gays are taking over comedy.
You said you were coming. Or sports.
Or sports. Maybe it's the other one.
Or sports.

Speaker 1 Comedians are like, no, I'm not watching this. But yeah, I feel like maybe I'm way off.

Speaker 1 um, no, there's plenty that yet do not care at all, right? A bunch of my friends don't care. In fact, I have very few comedian friends who give a shit about sports, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, a lot of them couldn't care less. Shane, for sure, yeah, Shane loves sports, yeah, loves sports very much.
Soder cared about sports, but like Joe DeRose is like a good friend of like,

Speaker 1 doesn't care. I always wonder, like, what it would open up so much of my life if I didn't care about sports, my scheduling, like just like happiness.
Yeah, well, I just say it's what it is.

Speaker 1 For me, it's like a pure, it's an unjudgable escape from, I guess, unjudgable is wrong. Yeah, we just call it

Speaker 1 and be the loser. Yeah, so it's judgeable.
But I mean, like, it's just pure, like,

Speaker 1 there's nothing I can do about any of it. You know what I mean? It's just my pure enjoyment.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, that's why I fell in love with The Impractical Jokers and Jackass and those kind of shows so much that I'm a fan of is because that's why it's unjudgable comedy for me.

Speaker 1 It's like, I wouldn't do that. Right.
Like, it's something I would. So there's no way I can watch that and be like, you know what what would have been funnier?

Speaker 1 You know, this could have been, like, I have no idea. Right.
It's not my like thing at all. So it's like, I could appreciate that.
I think sports has a similar thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like sit back and watch these guys go. My emotion towards sports has gotten funnier as I got older.
How so? Just like

Speaker 1 the actual, like the, like the beautiful story of like a thing. I remember a couple years ago.

Speaker 1 I think it was the first year the Sixers made the playoffs in like quite some time.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we went to the game. We went to the game one, I think, against the heat, it was, and they won

Speaker 1 the first round. This is back when

Speaker 1 this is before Doc Rivers, still Brett Brown, everything, but they made the playoffs with Embiid, and they showed like the hype video before the game. And

Speaker 1 my girlfriend and my daughter are both kind of looking at me because I was glassy-eyed for sure. Yes.
And they were like, what? And I was like, These 12 guys, man, just like,

Speaker 1 like, they weren't supposed to do anything this year.

Speaker 1 They just did so.

Speaker 1 I'm so proud. Like, just to be proud of guys who I don't know at all.

Speaker 1 Man, was I proud of it?

Speaker 6 Dude, great group of kids.

Speaker 1 That is so true, though.

Speaker 6 I was saying a couple months ago on this show, they should have, if you go to a therapist, if a guy goes to a therapist, they should give you like a mitt and a ball to throw back and forth with your therapist so that you can open up about all this stuff while just playing catch.

Speaker 6 And you're like, well, it's not gay because I'm playing sports. Also,

Speaker 1 doctor, can you call me champ? Yeah, right. Right.

Speaker 1 Let me slip the bat. Yeah.
No, it's true. Hey, Champ.
How's work going? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 I'm sure a lot of guys would actually open up and

Speaker 1 hit a home run at work.

Speaker 1 Just using only sports.

Speaker 1 I sure did.

Speaker 1 I sure did. But man, I remember that game was so funny, how emotional I got.
I mean, like, I get,

Speaker 1 I'll go back and watch hype videos.

Speaker 1 for things that like are way over the the the Super Bowl win year for the Eagles.

Speaker 1 Some genius put together like a promo, and it's the whole season going backwards. Do you remember seeing that at all? It's like every story has a beginning, I think it's called.
I watch it a lot.

Speaker 1 And it just goes, it starts at the winning, the championship game to go to the Super Bowl, and then it just starts doing everything backwards while playing negative talk clips.

Speaker 1 Oh, so it's like them winning against the Falcons, and it's like, you hear what they're saying. Carson Wentz is out.
This season's over. And then they show the 61-yard field goal, come back to the T,

Speaker 1 all the way back to like camp.

Speaker 1 And the guys, like, you know, they're starting it all together, and then they drop back on the line, and then just cuts to Doug Peterson saying, We're better than nine and seven, guys.

Speaker 1 We worked too hard for this. And it's just, I'm getting goosebumps telling it to you.
Yeah. It's stupid.
No, no, but it's not.

Speaker 6 You're like, yeah, nobody believed in you guys.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I did, though. That's also the thing, too.
He goes, I knew you guys had this in you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, it's, it's, but every year of Eagles and Sixers both, I go, at some point, my poor girlfriend, who tries desperately to care, but doesn't really, I look over and I go, something special happening this year.

Speaker 1 At some point in the season, I go, something special here.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So are you mad at the groundskeeper for the Super Bowl, the guy that laid that grass down, the slippery grass?

Speaker 1 I hate excuses, and I want to say all of them. Yeah.
But I really.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Cleats.

Speaker 1 Statwan was fucked up. He knew what he was doing.
I was very mad about that. Because the Chiefs fan.
Maybe you should only have to pay three grand back because of the grounds.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, he loves to

Speaker 2 the fact that he's saying this. He just always yells at me for making that excuse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I did like a month-long of excuses and like deep dives into the Sod Father. And like, everyone was like, you're a loser for caring this much.

Speaker 1 And then now I've just like, now that we've removed ourselves, I'm like, Max, remember when you fucking cared so much about this?

Speaker 1 I would never make an excuse for a lost bet. Fuck that.
But I, you're right.

Speaker 1 Like, something about sports as you get older, it's like you weirdly don't care as much, but then you are like more romantic about it. Much more romantic and don't care, which I think is good.
Right.

Speaker 1 That's a good thing. I guess it's more things going on in your life.
There was a time, Dan Soder always reminds me,

Speaker 1 even a short time ago, I mean, it was still McNabb years, I think it was his last year.

Speaker 1 And they lost in the playoffs championship game to the

Speaker 1 Cardinals. That was the Cardinals versus Pittsburgh here.

Speaker 1 And they lost that game, and everybody was going to stay to watch the second game at my house. And he reminds me, I told everyone I was like, ah, guys, I'm not watching any more football.

Speaker 1 And they're like, oh, we got to watch the other game. I'm like, I'm done.
Like, I was really bummed and

Speaker 1 sort of angry. And I really held that for a while.
Genuinely, and I'm happy about this. It's good.
I love, because now I look at all the news. I'm reading all the articles.
And Doc Rivers is fire.

Speaker 1 And what do we do next? I'm more like into that than I am.

Speaker 1 I'm already over the thing. I'm like, man, they've crumbled.
What else is new? Yeah. I can move on from it much quicker.
Yes.

Speaker 6 Was a part of you happy to see Andy Reid win?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 6 You don't love Andy Reid?

Speaker 1 No, I do love Andy Reid. No, for sure, but not against the Eagles.

Speaker 6 Obviously, not against the Eagles, but at the same time, it's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 his remaining children.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Something could have happened to them, and I'd be like, whatever, dude.
Whatever makes us win this game.

Speaker 1 But you have to respect Andy Reid.

Speaker 1 At least the coach, Andy Reid, maybe not the family match. Yeah.
But I mean, that guy's lost everything to football and just keeps showing up.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's true. It's the only thing he has.

Speaker 1 It is very true. Two children, I think, right? One's in jail, and one's dead.
Yeah, one died, and then one, yeah, was in. Yeah, I think he might have.
I don't think he killed a kid, but he like

Speaker 1 it was a vehicular man. Like, I think the kid is in very bad shape.
Yeah. Not great.
No.

Speaker 1 Do you remember when Hulk Hogan's kid yes was racing around and nicks yeah yeah he smashed into a tree and the his friend became a vegetable yeah and then they had the hulk they had the hulk hogan audio of the phone call and he was like

Speaker 1 i don't know what your friend did wrong with god brother that brought that kind of karma down on him he goes Your son drunkenly driving into a tree? Yeah, Jesus Christ. He's like, man,

Speaker 1 I don't know what your friend did. Seemed like a good guy, but he must have some darkness worth over.

Speaker 1 He's hanging around the wrong crew.

Speaker 1 Anything wiretapped or

Speaker 1 you know, illegally filmed with Hulk Hogan has not gone his way, I would say. Now, good commercial for that big thick wiener, though, right? Yeah,

Speaker 1 Pringles can. I had a dangler, he did, he did.

Speaker 1 Um, all right, I have one last question: Rowback question: promo code take 20% off at first purchase, q-zips, polos, hoodies, uh, joggers, shorts, everything.

Speaker 1 Uh, actually, speaking of shorts, I got to ask Big J, your look.

Speaker 1 I love your look. Thank you.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like stuck in the 90s, but in a good way. Sure.
Is that like the George? You don't see Georts. Enough? Enough.
I would say enough at all.

Speaker 1 I love it, though, because there does seem like some comedians,

Speaker 1 they hit success, which you've hit success, and they might go on steroids or get skinny or

Speaker 1 buy designer clothes. I like it.

Speaker 1 Now, this is my thing. You know what? I didn't dress

Speaker 1 when I was young any way that I necessarily would have been my first choice. Not that I hated it or anything how I was dressing, but it was all kind of choice of sizes.

Speaker 1 That's nothing being like a big guy. When I was younger, I would have dressed much more like

Speaker 1 rock band shirts and all that kind of stuff. And I just never did because I just went with the flow of everybody.

Speaker 1 And that was whether it be the one strap-off overalls or, you know, whatever the 90s brought. The old Navy striped shirt.

Speaker 1 The pleated pants tech vest yeah yeah just everything i would try everything trying to be the versus like what i wanted to do so then when i got the confidence to just do that i did but i know it's open to scrutiny which i'm fine with also no i like this you're like the the i mean i kind of do it every day where it's like being an adult's awesome i can eat ice cream every night that's right like i can dress however i want

Speaker 1 rules yeah i like i feel like uh like a white ghost face killer

Speaker 6 i like the look yeah no it's good It's like if

Speaker 6 you go to a place that wouldn't let you in while you're wearing jorts and a hoodie, is that a place you want to be in?

Speaker 1 No. Probably not.
Fuck no. No.
It's also weird when they let me into a place because they do recognize me.

Speaker 1 And then you're like, I shouldn't go in, actually, because if you're not supposed to wear them, I really don't want to be that sore thumb either. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Does that happen a lot now?

Speaker 1 I just did something

Speaker 1 on. I did Gutfeld on Fox News the other day for the first time.
And I went there.

Speaker 1 And as I was meeting the panel backstage, I was was like, oh, I didn't even overthink that I'm going to be the guy with

Speaker 1 knee-ripp jeans and big combat boots on. And everybody else is like in a wonderful suit

Speaker 1 and the girls were dressed to the nines. And it was like, I sat there.
I'm like, what are we talking? Politics? Hey, don't mind my knee and hand tattoos. Oh, this? No, I'm not straight edge.

Speaker 1 I'm just an idiot.

Speaker 1 The straight edge tattoo is very funny. No, it is.
You're not straight edge. Because I'm sure you get that all the time.
All the time.

Speaker 6 Go to a bar, order a drink. They're like, tough week for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wait a second. You're 17.
It's my first beer ever. That's the old me.

Speaker 1 I kicked that habit of not drinking.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, thanks so much for coming by, man.
Thank you guys for having me. Yeah, we appreciate it.
Go check out Dog Belly now. Good luck to the Eagles.
And sorry about the Sixers.

Speaker 1 It's going to be a big Eagles here. Big Eagles.
You think so?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do. He's as down as he can be right now.
It's rock bottom for him. Because the Sixers?

Speaker 2 The Sixers and then the Soul Patch also is just no good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Those are the only two things.
You're doing all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I thought I was going to say girlfriend left him because the Eagles and Sixers lost.

Speaker 6 Well, he slept with his girlfriend's roommate. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's not

Speaker 1 true.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, David, wait.

Speaker 6 You slept with her.

Speaker 3 I fell.

Speaker 2 We don't have to get into all this.

Speaker 6 He fell asleep in his girlfriend's room.

Speaker 1 I sleptwalk one night,

Speaker 8 bit of drinking the night before, and I've woke up in my roommates, or my girlfriend's roommate's roommate's bed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Slept a little bit.
With a roommate. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Asleep

Speaker 2 in the bed.

Speaker 1 She never woke up and realized a person crawled into her bed.

Speaker 2 She was also drinking.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It happened.
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 It happened. I mean, if we're talking technicalities,

Speaker 6 you're not a big baseball fan?

Speaker 1 No, I mean, I got into the World Series. You know what happened with my stepfather when I was

Speaker 1 young? He moved, he got it with my mom when I was like 11.

Speaker 1 And then he was super in like the Phillies.

Speaker 1 So I started watching, and then because his explanation of it and his like, you know, enjoyment of it got me into it. We went to a couple games, and that was 93.
Oh, and they went to the World Series.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What a personality that team had.
And then they did Joe Carter. Joe Carter.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then I think I have this number right. I think for 13 years after

Speaker 1 that year, they were like the worst team in baseball, or one of them always. They barely made the playoffs, if ever, in those 13.
I think they made the playoffs in 13 years. And then

Speaker 1 2008, I was just already kind of out of it,

Speaker 1 not caring about the sport. But this last one I watched, I did enjoy the World Series.
I mean, didn't enjoy how it worked out. Yeah, so that one game when you guys got no hits,

Speaker 1 was that a no-hitter? Yeah, I think someone took a no-hitter again. But there was, but there, but there was, you know, what was fun is to come back and watch.

Speaker 1 I think the first one I watched the full game was them just rocking the home run. Oh, that was the game before.
That was like a hell of a game. That was a lot of hits.
Maybe it's awesome.

Speaker 1 Shitload of hits. And then you got no hits the next time.
I think at the end of that game, I was like, maybe I'll start watching the Phillies next year.

Speaker 1 The last couple games, I was like, oh, yeah, baseball. Yeah.
Like, when it ain't going good, it's so boring. That's what it hit me.
I was like, it's a very boring game if your team's terrible. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And there's so many of the games. So many games.
But I did.

Speaker 1 I say I watch 82 games a year. The Sixers.
I watched the 10-win season

Speaker 1 so much so that at one point my girlfriend goes, I don't know if it's like good for you, like

Speaker 1 your physical health of watching this. Because you're coming home every day

Speaker 1 to escape into this game and by the halftime they're down by 20 you're you're thinking about buying an ish smith jersey because it's the only player on the team doing anything yeah that's a that's a lot of losses that's a lot of bad days that you're forcing yourself to have yeah that's so many losses that's brutal so i do appreciate uh where they are now for sure i said it's why it doesn't like take the the steam out of me so much i'm like you know what they gave us so it's my adult approach to all of it i go hey man we're only supposed to get 82 games and we got you know there you go that's we got like 90 something.

Speaker 6 Great group of kids out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, James Harden trying hard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they do what they did. These guys,

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up. Billy, you want to leave? Yeah.
Billy hasn't seen the succession finale. Spoilers, if you haven't seen it, PFT.

Speaker 1 I loved it. That rocked.
Oh, wait, Hank's out of here too. Hank has not seen it as well.

Speaker 1 similar to the stream tonight hank's leaving early

Speaker 1 interesting uh i loved it i loved it i thought it was perfect i want to know your thoughts we haven't talked about it at all uh i know i do like the uh conspiracy theorists out there that think just because we have a max uh ad deal now we just started talking walk watching succession um we have watched all four seasons it was one of my favorite shows i know the stupid debates of like is it a like all-time great show?

Speaker 1 I don't fucking know. I just know that I really liked the show, and the characters were incredible, and the acting was awesome, and it was a great series finale.
I thought they did a great job.

Speaker 6 Yeah, in retrospect, they couldn't do anything funny with it. Like, there were a lot of theories out there that they were going to have Greg inherit the company.

Speaker 6 There were some other ones out there that were kind of like, they were fun, like that, but it wouldn't have gone along with the theme of the show in general, which is just like tragedy and the way that Kindle ended.

Speaker 6 they left it kind of ambiguous when he was staring out at the water. I thought that was a great last scene because he's looking out at the water.

Speaker 6 Roman had just talked earlier about how the water is like all connected, like through the channels and tributaries. It's all connected across the world.
Roman's

Speaker 6 looking out at the water. Sorry, Kindle's looking out at the water and thinking about probably the guy that he killed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 that drugs. No, he didn't.
That didn't happen. That did not happen.

Speaker 6 Did not happen.

Speaker 6 He's probably also thinking about the time where he almost died in a swimming pool underwater and he's thinking about jumping over the edge i actually read an interview with the actor that plays kindle and he said there was one take where he just walked up to the edge and tried to jump in and the guy that plays his bodyguard his only friend at the end call the actor actually had to come and like take him down off the ledge which is just kind of perfect because the dude that jeremy strong plays kindle kind of a weird guy he makes people like very uncomfortable on set because he's like almost kind of method with it.

Speaker 6 Um, and he just went rogue on that one and decided to almost kill himself in character at the end.

Speaker 6 But I, I liked, I liked how they wrapped everything up, get giving Tom, who's just basically a big plastic sheet of paper, uh, the title of CEO, where he's just going to be the pain sponge, yes, uh, for Madison.

Speaker 6 At the end, I thought that was a really good, I thought that was a good way to wrap it up.

Speaker 1 It's it's so perfect because everyone lost, like, even Tom, who's the winner, he has to go be CEO for a guy who the night before was like, I want to fuck your wife, and I think she'd probably fuck me too.

Speaker 1 That's his boss now. Like, he has to go and be that guy's pain sponge.
Like, so he achieved technically the win because he's a CEO, but there's no like happiness in Tom's life.

Speaker 1 He got what he wanted, but what he wanted was just this, like, people shaking his hand and respecting him and having this, like, empty power.

Speaker 1 And And then all the other, like the siblings, that scene when they're in the boardroom fighting,

Speaker 1 it was essentially what Shiv said in the funeral episode when she's like, yeah, we were always outside, like, you know, messing around while like dad did business. Like, that's what they were doing.

Speaker 1 The business was happening, and they were in this room, side room, fighting with each other, like saying the meanest shit to each other. Shiv ends up being essentially like her mom.

Speaker 1 She just, like, she's now the wife of the the power. She's like, she doesn't win anything.
Roman nailed it, was like, we're just all bullshit. He goes back to his life of being insanely rich.

Speaker 1 And then Kendall, like, he was from episode one of the entire season was aspiring to have this role that he, like, just because he was the eldest boy.

Speaker 1 Like, that was, yeah, there was no other, like, qualifications that he had. He didn't do anything well.
He was a tragic, tragic figure.

Speaker 1 But, like, the, the part where he's like, yeah, dad told me when I was seven that I was going to run the company, like that's what he lived with his entire life, where he was like, this is my destiny.

Speaker 1 I am going to be the CEO of Waystar Royko just because of who I was born, like where I was born.

Speaker 6 I actually think the one guy that is going to have the happiest life after this is probably Roman because he's still got billions of dollars and he's just going to go off and be like a drunk, horny, weird asshole on his own, which is what makes him the happiest is when he's doing that type of shit.

Speaker 6 He never actually wanted real power. He just wanted to be able to be a dickhead to people.
And he can still do that if you have billions of dollars. So I think he's going to be happy after the fact.

Speaker 6 Tom is maybe the biggest cuck in the history of television. It's crazy.

Speaker 6 So for the foreseeable future, his boss is not giving him any power, going to make him act like he has all the power, but just cuck him behind the scenes in terms terms of business while also literally cucking him by fucking his wife and just being like, hey, here's how it's going to end up.

Speaker 6 I'm going to be dominating you on and off the court for the rest of your life, but you get to smile and just pretend like it's fine. And Tom is like a sick son of a bitch.

Speaker 6 So he's like, yeah, okay, yeah. That's actually the best outcome that I can hope for in this instance.

Speaker 6 And yeah, I think Tom getting the company at the end is perfect because you know that he's not, you know, he's not going to like do anything substantial with it.

Speaker 6 He's never been a guy guy that makes moves right he's a reactive person so he's just gonna get over for the rest of his life but he's still gonna have greg around and him taking greg back at so perfect was awesome because he needs his own punching bag to be he can only absorb so many body blows from his boss and from his wife he needs to have an even sadder more pathetic guy that has to that's forced to hang out with him and just get dominated.

Speaker 6 So Tom at least has like one outlet for any rage or aggression that he might still have. He's like, yeah, you're disloyal.

Speaker 6 You don't really bring anything to the table, but you're very easy to make fun of and just bully. So I'm going to pay you to be my bitch.

Speaker 1 That slap fight in the bathroom was so perfect. And yeah, you're right.
Like Greg, his entire story arc was essentially just being like the biggest weasel out there.

Speaker 1 He was obviously the comedic relief in the show, but he was a weasel. He was blackmailing.
He was information trading.

Speaker 1 And he essentially just made one move too many when he was trying to, he was quadding up with the Roy siblings.

Speaker 1 But still, he ends up right where he started, like being Tom's bitch.

Speaker 1 I just thought like it was weird because I think like that show was so good because all those people are such terrible, terrible, awful people. But you did find yourself rooting for them a little bit.

Speaker 1 And it was nice at the end where no one won because they're all terrible, awful, terrible people.

Speaker 1 So it was like, I know that sometimes people want like this winner or, or, you know, to feel satisfied, but like, that was why I liked it so much. Cause like, oh yeah, these are horrendous people.

Speaker 1 And guess what? They're still all insanely rich beyond belief. Like they all, I think, walked with, someone did the math.
They all like have like $2 billion in the payout. So they.

Speaker 1 They all have everything, but they have absolutely nothing. And that's why I loved it.

Speaker 1 Like, they all lost everything, yet they're still richer than anyone could ever believe or anyone could ever possibly attain. And I, like even the Shiv part, people were pissed at Shiv.

Speaker 1 I loved it just because she got fucked over by her siblings constantly. She got fucked over by her dad.
She got fucked over by her husband at the end of season three.

Speaker 1 Finally, she was like, I'm like, fuck this. Like, I'm going to fuck you over back.
Like, there was no, no one ever showed her loyalty. Why would she ever do that back?

Speaker 6 You know who actually ended up the best now that I think about it is Connor. Connor, dude.

Speaker 6 Connor spent $100 million on his presidential campaign campaign and got like half a percent of the vote nationwide. And now he is the ambassador to Slovenia.

Speaker 6 And his, I guess, his wife is just going to hang out in the United States and like be an actress or whatever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, long distance. He's an ambassador.
Long distance. Two week.
I think Kendall said, oh, two week itch.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, but good for Connor. Connor's living the dream, man.
Just going over to Slovenia, hanging out, probably drinking some crappa.

Speaker 1 Dude, and not only that, but Connor, that scene when they had the virtual dinner with dad thing that they watched, that scene was basically showing all of us that Connor was the only one who had a relationship with his father that meant anything.

Speaker 1 Everyone, all the other three kids were just transactional, like they want to be

Speaker 1 the next in line. Their dad promised it to him at various points, played him like a fiddle, trust issues, all that shit.

Speaker 1 Like, watching that scene, it's like, oh, wait, Logan Roy did have friends, and Connor was his friend. Like, they had a relationship that wasn't just purely

Speaker 1 who's getting your company when you die. And I thought that was perfect too, where it's like all three of these terrible people just fought tooth and nail,

Speaker 1 backstabbing each other constantly to try to get essentially their father's love and become like the

Speaker 1 successor when Connor was just an oddball. barely on screen and he got the one thing that none of them would ever get and that was like friendship with their father.

Speaker 6 I did miss Brian Cox in the last scenes a little bit.

Speaker 6 I understand why he had to go and how that was like used to advance the plot, but I missed having him on screen because he's such an awesome actor. I've gone back.

Speaker 6 I've started watching some old Brian Cox stuff. Did you know that he was the first Hannibal Lecter? He was Hannibal before Anthony Hopkins was in the movie, I think it was Manhunter.
Oh.

Speaker 6 And that was like, if you've ever seen Red Dragon, I think Red Dragon was a remake of

Speaker 6 Manhunter? One of these. I think think it was Manhunter.
And he's fucking awesome. And I watched like 10 minutes of clips of him as Handable Elector.
Awesome actor. Incredible.

Speaker 1 Super Troopers.

Speaker 6 Super Troopers. Everything.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Adaptation.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You name it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was a great show. I loved it.

Speaker 1 My test for all movies and shows is, do I wake up the next day thinking about it? And I did. Like, I woke up this morning thinking about the finale, thinking about the whole show.

Speaker 1 I will probably rewatch it.

Speaker 1 I don't know where it is like you know the immediate rankings i fuck i have no fucking idea like i probably i like sopranos more because i don't if you tell me you like succession more than sopranos cool that works i don't know it's tv like it's subjective

Speaker 6 yeah i i also liked roman's shirt that he was wearing at the end which is like the the little boy's shirt that he wore when he once he went to his mom's house and his mom like gave him some clothes to put on somebody looked it up and that's like a nine dollar shirt that you can buy at walmart that's and everything else that they wear in that in that entire show is like, you know, even the even the black t-shirts that they wear are $500 designer black t-shirts.

Speaker 1 The mom just like not liking the idea of eyes

Speaker 1 was so perfect. What a fucking crazy, crazy woman she was.
Like the little blobs in your skull. Who wants those?

Speaker 1 But yeah, great series.

Speaker 1 Reminder, we're going to do Blood Sport on Friday. So we're going to do a review of Blood Sport.
Go download Max. This wasn't an ad.
This was just us talking about succession.

Speaker 1 Good show, everyone. Hank, good show.

Speaker 1 You feel better? No.

Speaker 1 You don't? No.

Speaker 1 You feel worse? Yeah.

Speaker 1 PFT, we lost him. His headphones cut out.

Speaker 1 His headphones cut out. PFT, just say a number.

Speaker 1 69. No,

Speaker 1 I didn't. say numbers yet.
That's a false start. That's a false start.

Speaker 1 You just said say a number. yeah i said say a number i didn't say numbers

Speaker 1 numbers 600 no no no you you're false starting you're going last tell text pft to say a number i'll do 69. okay 69

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 43 43 for pft wait wait we got to go to the board for that you said say a number i said say a number i didn't say nothing i thought you said numbers no i said say a number you know i said say a number because you said say a number i think if 69 hits today we really need to go to the rules okay well hank has it so hopefully hank I'm rooting for you.

Speaker 1 No, this.

Speaker 1 I'll go 17.

Speaker 9 Pilly? I'm going to go with the only other number I've won with: 21.

Speaker 1 Okay. Actually, I shouldn't let this happen

Speaker 9 in total.

Speaker 1 Memes, have you ever gotten this? Nope.

Speaker 1 59.

Speaker 1 You've never gotten this? Never gotten it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 13 20.

Speaker 2 Would it be FTC? 43?

Speaker 1 43. I shouldn't be letting this happen.

Speaker 1 It's going, there's the greases. It's already going.

Speaker 1 It's already going.

Speaker 6 Thank God, it's not 69.

Speaker 1 It's nine.

Speaker 1 I really wish that would have been 69. If it was an all-time fucking freak out, I'm going to be honest, I'd destroy this whole studio.

Speaker 1 It would have freaked out.

Speaker 1 It would have freaked out.

Speaker 1 I would have probably destroyed the ball machine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Great show.
Reminder, Friday. Friday, we're back.
Friday, we're back.

Speaker 1 PFT actually will be back in studio with us. So Friday, we're back, and we'll see you then.

Speaker 1 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 You got an animal fact?

Speaker 3 I got distracted. Wait, wait.

Speaker 1 He got distracted. Beaselbugs were a gigantic frog.
He was so mad at me about 69. It was in my head.

Speaker 9 Because there was a possibility.

Speaker 1 PFT, when I said your headphones cut out, I said say a number.

Speaker 1 Is that the same as saying numbers?

Speaker 1 You said say a number to the whole crew, I just said say a number to you specifically, and then Billy said 69. That's offsides.

Speaker 13 Well, I didn't hear him coming in, coming in, I just heard say a number, say a number. I thought you were telling me to say a number.

Speaker 1 Well, it's no harm, no foul. Yeah, now it was.
I always had Billy just go full aggro.

Speaker 1 I was, I was literally, I didn't have my fact ready because I was going through hypothetical rage scenarios in my head. It was like I got, I got like

Speaker 1 dimensionally angry. Let's do one more number.
There's There's another. Let's do one more number.
There's another like time space where it did hit 69.

Speaker 13 Right. Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I felt the rage of that guy in this dimension. Okay, let's do one more number.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You want to do one more number, PFT? Sure.

Speaker 1 Numbers. Six nine.

Speaker 1 I got it. PFT's lag, so I think

Speaker 9 my reaction speed was much faster.

Speaker 1 Let's flip a coin. Because he's...
No, no, no, we're not flipping a coin. Yeah.
No, I said it to when Big Cash said,

Speaker 1 it was immediate. It was an instant tail.

Speaker 1 No, no. PFT, call heads or tails.
No. Why does he get to pick it? It's a heads.
No, no.

Speaker 1 Show me the coin. No, you could have flipped it.
Heads. No, no.
PFT got 69. What's your number? 16, 18.
21.

Speaker 1 2020 all over again.

Speaker 1 What do you got?

Speaker 1 Billy, what's your number? 21. Hank Hardy said it.

Speaker 1 45.

Speaker 1 Big T, man.

Speaker 1 17. 59.
Memes, you still haven't gotten this? Still haven't gotten it. Since the last time? Still haven't gotten it.

Speaker 1 72. Oh, my God.
Damn. We could have gotten such aggro, Billy.

Speaker 6 All right, do you want more, Billy?

Speaker 6 Yeah, you know what? Let's do it. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 See you guys on Friday. I'm leading in.
See you guys on Friday.

Speaker 1 Today is on my day to find some real way.

Speaker 1 I'll come with lovely.

Speaker 1 I'll be

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 same.

Speaker 1 I'm on the day.

Speaker 1 Tell me right away.

Speaker 1 Swear than the mind is okay.

Speaker 1 Say unto me.

Speaker 1 So better you can say something.

Speaker 1 Take

Speaker 1 on me.

Speaker 1 Take me

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 the I'll be

Speaker 1 gone.

Speaker 1 Things I can say and feel I love just to play my memories away.

Speaker 1 You all know what I have to remember. Shy and away.

Speaker 1 I'm coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 Shy and away,

Speaker 1 I'll come for you anyway.

Speaker 1 Take only

Speaker 1 one,