Michael Davies, Celtics/Sixers Tied 2-2, NBA/NHL Playoffs, Kentucky Derby And The King's Coronation

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have Michael Davies,

Speaker 1 executive producer of Jeopardy Masters. He also created Who Wants to be a Millionaire in America.
He also was the executive producer for Barstool Van Talk. So very interesting interview with him.

Speaker 1 We talked soccer. We talked Barstool Van Talk.
He was there. He was front row.
He was probably like one of the more inside people for that entire experience. Great interview with him.

Speaker 1 Also, he's got a British accent, so you know it's a great interview.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk

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Speaker 1 Welcome to Pardon My Take. Today is Monday, May 8th, and the Philadelphia 76ers and Boston Celtics are tied to two.
It's a best of three now.

Speaker 1 Best of three after an incredible, incredibly entertaining game four, up and down.

Speaker 1 You guys, Max and Hank, watched it together in the gambling cave. We told them to save all their takes for after so that we could have it on the show fresh.

Speaker 1 It looks like they've simmered down a little. I'll start with one.
Hank's got bad body language throughout the entire game. I'm wondering if that has anything to do with the Celtics' performance.

Speaker 1 He's got a bad scowl on his face. He's got bad body language.

Speaker 1 Hank is the first with the most insulting looks that he serves after a win.

Speaker 1 And then after a loss, his face just does what the rest of his body does which is he just goes radio silent yeah won't address it yes but hank you looked like you were going through it at the end there was actually a very funny screenshot of hank right after the game was over when he he tipped his head back and then he put his hat on his face so it looked like his entire neck and chin was his face a little preview camera yeah but i listen i'm just i'm just you know from from the outside looking in max is the winner today so we get to congratulate max we get to pile on hank this is how this series has gone.

Speaker 1 This is what I wanted from this series. Hank, I thought your body language in the gambling cave watching it was bad, and I think the Celtics feed off that.

Speaker 2 What does that mean?

Speaker 1 It means exactly what I said. Your body language was bad.
Objection. Okay, overall.

Speaker 2 I was nervous. It was a close game.
I was nervous. That's how I get.
I watch games. I cover my ears for whatever reason.
I just, I get nervous.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I also was distracted. Max.
was freaking out so bad about

Speaker 2 Jason Tatum non-offensive foul call, and he basically had a heart attack, and he was sitting down next to me, and he was breathing like a 10-year-old pug.

Speaker 2 And I was,

Speaker 1 and he was pugs don't live that long, I know, especially. I actually know pugs do live long.
I was thinking of Bulldogs.

Speaker 2 It was so, I was laughing at that, and it felt like the Celtics had it in control, and then all of a sudden they double-teamed on that on the MB drive, even though Al Horford was playing great team

Speaker 2 on him all game. Yeah, that was when they didn't call a timeout.

Speaker 1 That was a very strange decision. Needed Brad Stevens.
There's a few end of the game strange decisions. End of regulation, I know that you disagree because you responded to me.

Speaker 1 I thought Jason Tatum should have taken that shot instead of, I know Marcus Smart was wide open, but if you ask the 76ers who they want to take a last shot, it's got to be Marcus Smart.

Speaker 1 He's got to be the only guy on the floor that they're okay giving a last shot to. Jason Tatum drove,

Speaker 1 I think, Tobias Harris. Like, Embiid couldn't jump for the fourth quarter.
He looked so gassed. And then you get to the final sequence in the OT.

Speaker 1 I don't understand what they were doing when they didn't have, I know that it looked like they were they switched. They had Marcus Smart on Embiid.
They switched. Tatum was on Embiid.

Speaker 1 And then Jalen Brown came and helped and left Harden wide open in the corner.

Speaker 1 Jalen Brown did say afterwards, that was my fuck up. I shouldn't have done that.

Speaker 1 That was just boneheaded basketball because you left the one guy open who you didn't want to leave open who had 45 points. Did he have 45 points? I'm not sure how many had exactly what happened.

Speaker 1 He was insane. He was really good tonight.
And it's like back and forth, back and forth with James Harden, which one you're going to get. He's going to be tired for the next game.

Speaker 1 No, you should sit him. Yeah, I see.

Speaker 1 I'm a big believer in if James Harden scores more than 30 points in a playoff game, you should sit him in the next game. Give him a nice little sit, and then it's back to Philly, right?

Speaker 1 It's 1-1-1 at this point. So bring him back in that game, and then I'm sure that James Harden will be great in game seven, like he always is.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it was weird.

Speaker 1 I actually don't have a problem with a no-timeout call at the end of the game.

Speaker 1 Because if it works out in the Celtics' favor, everybody's like, that was a great call by Missoula not calling a timeout right there because you don't want the defense to get set up. Yep.
What?

Speaker 1 Well, I was going to say,

Speaker 1 they made a shot, though. Like, if they miss the shot and it's off a rebound, I agree.
No. You can run it up, but they made a shot.
No, that's when you should call a timeout. I know.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, like, I don't hate the lack of timeout there because it can help the defense, too, to get things set up. So I didn't mind that as much.

Speaker 1 Max had, I would say that this game came down to one very simple fact, and that is that Max outperformed Hank tonight on the stream. No, Hank,

Speaker 1 absolutely outperformed. Hank looked like Joellen Biade going at Al Horford, and he was shook.
He was shook tonight to go at Big Al. But Max, Max brought the noise on the stream.

Speaker 1 I've thought several times that Max was either going to have a heart attack or destroy the television. And I did give Max permission in a game seven.
If it's a game seven, it's a heartbreaking ending.

Speaker 1 I gave Max full permission to break a television. Break a television.
Because he was in a battle with the TV. He wanted to fight the television so hard.
You know that you were, Max.

Speaker 1 You were getting all up to the bottom of the bus. Hey, let's hear from you, Max.
No, I was. I'm not proud of what I did after the Jason Tatum non-push-off.
Well, it was a push-off.

Speaker 1 It was a bad push-off.

Speaker 1 It definitely was. No, it wasn't.
The only thing I'm concerned about is for your health because I think your blood pressure was 400 over 300. It was high.
It was high.

Speaker 1 I couldn't even really celebrate the hardened three because I was still recovering from my anger. Jason Tatum push-up.
Jason Tatum push-off.

Speaker 1 Which had happened probably like 10 minutes in real life before. Yeah, no, I like that.

Speaker 1 I was sitting there and I was kind of like having an internal moment with myself and I was like, you like, you got to like actually relax. And no, no, no, no, no, I wasn't.

Speaker 1 Max, you got this win. That was all you, Max.
You, you actually like put your life on the line, whereas Hank just sat there pouting. That's the difference between winning and fucked up.

Speaker 1 Like, what does that have to do with anything? Bad body language. I'm telling you what I, that's my opinion.
Can't have opinions on part of my take. I didn't even see it.

Speaker 1 Hank, guys had ones when you guys took the lead for the first time since the first quarter when you guys took that lead at the end of the game you

Speaker 2 the fucking lights are on you do you

Speaker 1 even give a double fist bump

Speaker 1 that's not true I was going nuts I was dapping up Donnie like I don't this is this is gaslighting at its finest you guys are doing your thing it is what it is okay so it's at the end of the day sitting in a game with Cave is not going to affect the game so like well I disagree outside of your bad body language which I think we can all agree was a fact what did you see with the end of the game in terms of end of regulation, end of overtime?

Speaker 2 I had no problem with the end of regulation, but it was a wide open look. You expect an NBA player to be able to hit that shot.

Speaker 2 I would rather, I know you would say the Sixers would rather have Marcus Smart take that shot, but I would rather have an open look by any player on the floor than a contested shot in the lane.

Speaker 2 I think so. Especially with Jason.

Speaker 1 I had an open look.

Speaker 2 Jason Tatum had food poisoning. The city of Philadelphia pulled their biggest scum move to date.

Speaker 1 Wait, is that a fact or are you just going off the one tweet I saw?

Speaker 1 I said before.

Speaker 2 You sent it to me, and I was driving. And he's like, Jason Tatum has food poisoning.
And then we got there, and I didn't have time to do any of my own research.

Speaker 2 I didn't have any time to do my own research. And I watched the game, and he didn't score any points in the first quarter.
So I was like, confirmed. Jason Tatum definitely had food poisoning.

Speaker 1 I would pick on that one. I think he definitely had food poisoning.
He got fixed at halftime. I said, Max, word on the street, Jason Tatum may have food poisoning.

Speaker 1 And then I followed up right away and by word on the street, I saw one tweet.

Speaker 2 I was driving.

Speaker 2 I literally saw the food poisoning tweet, and that was it.

Speaker 1 That's a good sports sound.

Speaker 1 The first half half, it did look like food.

Speaker 2 And the line moved. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what Philly does, man.

Speaker 1 He had some bad water.

Speaker 1 He did look like food poisoning the first half. Second half, he was phenomenal.

Speaker 2 So that was all-time scum move by Philly. Not surprising.
That'll go to any lengths to win, I guess.

Speaker 2 No problem with the end of regulation. End of overtime, they waited way too long to get that play going.

Speaker 2 The fact that they didn't get a shot off, and they also were just dribbling at the top of the key for like 10 seconds is kind of infuriating.

Speaker 2 And going back to the last time we talked about the Celtics on the show, not game three, but game two, or no, game, I forget.

Speaker 1 Game three, Jason Tatum did alpha at the end of that game.

Speaker 1 There was that game, in game three, the Sixers kind of closed the deficit towards the end, and it was like, whoa, this game's getting a little weird.

Speaker 1 And then Jason Tatum, I think, scored eight straight points. It was like,

Speaker 1 that's what the best player on the court does. And he is the best player on the league.
He's better than Joel Elmbi. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Like in playoffs, Max, Joel Embiid, he had a very good game, but the fourth quarter, he looked looked like the most gassed person in the world. I thought Al Horford played a lot of the same thing.

Speaker 1 He was terrible in the first half. Okay, he was dealing with food poisoning.
Like, you go through stretches. Listen, I.
He gets zero points in the first half. Joel Embiid.

Speaker 2 No, that's false.

Speaker 1 That fourth quarter, Al Horford just bodying him was, that was not great. And even the.
And then what happened in overtime?

Speaker 2 It's frustrating to waste that, though.

Speaker 2 That's where it's like, that's a game that would have broken the Sixers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so Hank, you said going into today's game that it was a must-win, right? Correct? In fact?

Speaker 2 Every game in the playoffs is a must-win.

Speaker 1 So, but you didn't win your must-win. So what happens? Because you lost a must-win.
There's got to be characteristics.

Speaker 2 Game five is now a must-or-win. Must-must-win.

Speaker 1 Must-or-win. And then

Speaker 1 the next game is must-est.

Speaker 2 If they lose to five, then game six is the must-est of all must-wins.

Speaker 1 The mostest.

Speaker 1 What about elimination game? What are we calling that?

Speaker 2 That's a winner-go-home.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
That's do or die.

Speaker 1 You have no problem with Joe Mbi getting gassed for like the 100th playoffs in a row? No, I don't think he was.

Speaker 1 This is even worse. I don't think he was gassed.
I think that he got a little bit scared of the moment. Yeah, he scared.

Speaker 1 There was that one sequence where Joe Embiid and Tobias Harris played hot potato, and then Tobias Harris airballed the shot, and PJ Tucker, like dog, got the rebound and won.

Speaker 1 That's what I was going to say. MVP of the game is PJ Tucker with a minute to go going up into Embiid's face and chewing him out.
Right. Yeah, he was hyping him up.
But overtime, Embiid was back.

Speaker 1 Because look. Embiid was great in overtime.
The thing is, people will say, like, I'm being too hard on Tatum or being too hard on Embiid, but this is what the playoffs are.

Speaker 1 Like, the playoffs, when you get to these moments, are your best player has to be the best player on the court.

Speaker 1 There was that moment in the game, in the end of the fourth quarter, when the lead was shrinking and shrinking and shrinking. And you're looking and you're like, Joel Embiid, you're the MVP.

Speaker 1 This is the time when you stop this run and

Speaker 1 you take over the game. And it didn't happen then.

Speaker 1 He did kind of rebound in overtime. So credit to that.
And it's similar to Jason Tatum. Game three.
He was like, we're not going to lose this game. I'm going to take over.

Speaker 1 It's, I just love this series so much because this is what, like, 3-1 would have sucked. It's got to go.
3-1 would have sucked for us. 2-2, like.

Speaker 2 Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday.

Speaker 1 And, and, yeah, Tuesday, Thursday, Sundays, you get instant reactions. James Harden is playing his fucking balls off in the two wins.

Speaker 1 I'm excited. Are you nervous, Hank?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You are. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Officially. I think that was a, that was a.
they could have ended the series right there. They had it.
You know, they could have won the game, should have won the game.

Speaker 1 It wouldn't have been the series, though, and the U.S. franchise if the Sixers lose that game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the Sixers.

Speaker 2 Sixers have momentum.

Speaker 2 But it's

Speaker 2 win on Tuesday and we're back.

Speaker 1 The one thing I'd say about the Celtics, too, is I think they're more talented. I think Joe Missoula is a liability.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I would have, I would have, I didn't mind. I liked, and I don't know if this is going to make any sense.
I like them not calling a timeout to end regulation.

Speaker 2 I wish they used a timeout at the end of overtime.

Speaker 1 What's the difference, though, in those two scenarios? It was just feel, but it felt like and just the like they ran the same play. Well, there's a difference because

Speaker 1 at the end of regulation, you're tied, so you can't lose the game right there. At the end of

Speaker 1 overtime, James Harden hits a three to go up one. That should change how you were, you know, your best play, drawing it up.
Like, this is what we need to do. We have to score here.

Speaker 2 Which comes back to the drawing up of the plays and my concerns and desires to have Brad Stevens come on down. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think he's done any of that?

Speaker 1 Have you seen that? Clearly not. Yeah.
Either way, Jalen Brown, I mean, that was just

Speaker 1 a lapse in judgment to come off of James Harden in the corner, standing there. And Joe MB does get credit for seeing that and being like, he's wide open.
He's been hitting shots all game.

Speaker 1 When you're getting out-coached in the playoffs by Doc Rivers, it's a problem. Yeah.
It's an issue. I have a question.

Speaker 1 So in fairness to both, because I've I've pointed out that there's been times where I'm like, Jason Tatum, you should take this game over.

Speaker 1 Who's taking last shot on the Sixers?

Speaker 2 Harden.

Speaker 1 It's Harden.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Fabid is not the best player on his team. I think there's a difference.

Speaker 1 There's a closer. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is the guy.

Speaker 1 You could make that case with Robert Ory when he was on the Lakers where he would average like eight points, but he would always hit the big shot at the end.

Speaker 1 James Harden is the best player on the court when he's playing well, and he's also the closer. So you could say that James Harden, ipso facto, is the best player on the Sixers.

Speaker 1 I think how the NBA, like, no, it's tough to be a big man and also get the ball

Speaker 1 at the end of the game.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 1 the way the game is played right now, someone has to get the ball at the top of the key and make a move. It's different that way for

Speaker 1 a last shot. He is getting more attention, too.
So if he gets the ball anywhere close to the basket, they're double-teaming him, they're triple-teaming him sometimes. Like he did set up that shot.

Speaker 1 He took the attention. But, Max, you also understand that these facts are getting in the way of a brilliant take, which is that Joelle and Biede is not even the MVP of his own team.

Speaker 1 Let me let me get my fiery takes off. I'm not, no, no, no.
James Harden's the best player, Joelle Embiid, I mean, James's last shot guy overrated.

Speaker 1 You don't realize what I'm trying to do. Yeah, we're just getting the hottest takes possible.

Speaker 1 James Harden is the guy, he's the guy who needs to have the ball in his hands. Uh,

Speaker 1 Joel Mbi did, like, he did recover in overtime, so I'm not going to, you know, PJ Tucker, PJ Tucker, but yeah, PJ Tucker

Speaker 1 gassed him up big time.

Speaker 1 That's why I don't think that Embiid was even getting tired. Yeah.
I think he just got shook. He was shook.
He was nervous about Al Horford.

Speaker 1 The moment he was so shook was when he took a fadeaway three because he was worried that Al Horford was going to block him for the fourth time in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 That was, I think, I think that was right after P.J. Tucker yelled at him right after that.
Like, dude, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 How did Al Horford not make that wide open three that he took? Was that overtime? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Max said it at the time, but he's seen that shot 100 times and it it goes in 100 times.

Speaker 1 Did you have any problem with the Marcus Smart charge call, Hank?

Speaker 1 No. I do.
I have a problem with big cat. Why? My problem is that, again, I think we talked about this two weeks ago.
You should not be allowed to take a charge if you're covering your nuts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's one of your worst takes. Why? That should be your sacrifice that you're making.
Sure. How can you play defense if you're covering your nuts?

Speaker 2 By the way, I play football with Heletton.

Speaker 1 No, you're not listening to me, Hank. You can't make a play on the ball if your hands are on your own balls.

Speaker 2 They're not making a play on the ball. They're making a defensive play.

Speaker 1 So it's not a defensive play.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking you shouldn't be able to protect yourself. Yeah, I think

Speaker 1 if you want it enough, you should be willing to take a shot right in the nuts. I would.
It's the restricted circle. You can't have your hands over the restricted circle.
Yep. Think about it.

Speaker 1 Think about it, Hank. Think about it hard.
Are you done thinking about it? Okay, you're done thinking about it.

Speaker 1 I mean, the thing is, if it went the other way, if somebody did that to you, Hank, you would 100% agree with this take. No, it's not.
I'm being an unbiased observer.

Speaker 1 Either way, Tuesday night's going to be great. Max, we asked Hanks, Hank's nervous.
What are you?

Speaker 1 Because this

Speaker 1 you need to win this series now. No, yeah.
I honestly am just as nervous as Hank is going away from that game because that should have been a blowout. Yeah, you guys let them back in the game.

Speaker 1 It was the same. I've seen that game so many times against the Celtics, and it's like we lose that game every time.

Speaker 1 It was also more of the Celtics fucking up than the Sixers kind of taking over, which I don't love.

Speaker 1 I do think this is going to go seven, and I think think the Celtics are going to win in seven because the Sixers didn't win game three.

Speaker 1 That should have been a must-win.

Speaker 1 It was a must-win for Hank. This is exactly how, when we explained it to you, the Celtics are going to have a reinvigorated effort on Tuesday night, win that game.

Speaker 1 Sixers reinvigorated effort on Thursday, win that game. Back to Boston for game seven.
Celtics win game seven.

Speaker 2 And I mean, Embiid's going to be

Speaker 1 out of gas. Sit them both.

Speaker 1 Embiid, it wasn't gas.

Speaker 1 Oh, by the way, Beeball Paul did hit his over, so I'm officially out. Just congrats.
By a half a half. I thought it was, was it 20? No, it was 17 and a half.
He has 18 now in the series.

Speaker 1 Another Josh Harris sweep today, too.

Speaker 1 Devils and Sixers both went.

Speaker 1 That's elite ownership. All sweep clauses, all big cats clauses, basically just the straight-up series now, right? Yep.
And did we ever decide on a time frame? I don't think we did.

Speaker 1 We'll have to work that out. Because, again,

Speaker 1 the baby, the memorial,

Speaker 1 not like how long you need to keep it.

Speaker 2 One shave. We definitely decided that.

Speaker 1 Okay. One shave cycle?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you shave.

Speaker 1 And then you just grow it out.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Okay. Should we talk some other games? Talk some

Speaker 1 everything that happened this weekend. We should talk some Lakers Warriors.
I feel like the Lakers Warriors, we should just have a flowchart. Is Anthony Davis going to play good? Yes.
Lakers win.

Speaker 1 Is Draymond Green going to play bad? Yes. Warriors lose.
They have not. They've alternated games playing good and bad.
And Anthony Davis was phenomenal again. He also leads the league in

Speaker 1 times during a game that you think he is going to be out for the year. I counted four last night that he had his rib injury, his eye.

Speaker 1 It is pretty much every quarter. You're like, oh, there goes Anthony Davis.
He's done. He got, was it Moses? Was it Moses Moody? Yeah.
He broke the code.

Speaker 1 He reached out and grabbed Anthony Davis's knee and gave a tug on it. Can't do it.
And I thought that his leg just exploded based on Anthony Davis' reaction.

Speaker 1 But yet, once again, Anthony Davis is the most healthy human being on the planet right now. So he was able to overcome it.

Speaker 1 And the second quarter Lakers, they took away any opportunity for the third quarter Warriors to even show up. It's so annoying that LeBron is figured out how to perfectly manage.

Speaker 1 He load manages in games. That first quarter, you didn't take a shot.
And you're like, he's washed. And then in the second and third quarter, he was

Speaker 1 running back on defense, making plays,

Speaker 1 hitting shots. He was doing everything.
He was back to old LeBron. He load manages within quarters.

Speaker 1 And it sucks because if you watch, like last night, the first quarter, I'm like, oh, yeah, LeBron's watched. This is over.
Like, it's over. And then, and then the second and third happening.

Speaker 1 You're like, oh, nope, he's back to being LeBron. So LeBron won't even give the LeBron haters out there, of which there are many, the opportunity to be like, look at him.
He's done.

Speaker 1 He's a shell of himself. He needs to retire now.
I think LeBron's going to play, what, maybe like four more years, three more years, maybe? And I don't think he's even going to get worse.

Speaker 1 Well, I think he kind of is what he is at this point and old uh less slightly less athletic lebron is still a fucking monster and so he's just going to play until he decides to walk away and he's still going to be super healthy at that point so uh they played the game like two hours after bronnie had declared that he's he's going to usc i think we all figured that was going to happen university of spoiled children yes and uh i i wonder if i wonder if lebron had to photoshop him like rowing or something to get him a scholarship yeah probably um but lebron i hate to give lebron credit for anything, but I will give him credit for this.

Speaker 1 He was asked after the game about like, is it still the plan to play with Prani to play long enough? And he said, I'm still serious about it.

Speaker 1 I've done what I had to do in this league, and my son is going to take his journey, but just because that's my aspiration and my goal, it doesn't mean it's his. Good father, LeBron.
Good parenting.

Speaker 1 That's the best parenting you can do to be like,

Speaker 1 I know what I want, but it's my son's life, and he's going to do what he wants and figure out his own path.

Speaker 1 LeBron's, by everything that we've seen outside of having his daughter drink wine, seems like a really great dad. And eat rocks.

Speaker 1 He made her eat rocks because she was like, this wine tastes like rocks, dad. Yeah, she had rocks and then wine.
Yeah, rocks, then wine. In that order.
Now, would Michael Jordan say the same thing?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. I think Michael Jordan would like try to tank one season just to make sure that his team could draft his own sons.
Well, his sons weren't as good as Bronny.

Speaker 1 Not quite as good as Bronny. But yeah, it is good parenting.
Shout out LeBron. You're a good parenting.
Good dad. You know what? Decent basketball player, even better father.
Even better father.

Speaker 1 I heard the younger brother is even better than bronnie yeah well he's he's taller way bryce bryce maximus yeah yeah so we're gonna get that maybe we'll get all three james king it was cool though because he did also say like unless he's missing someone way back in his family like tree this will be the first uh member of his family to go to college which is pretty cool that's very cool like the whole thing I give Hilbrown a lot of shit, but I will admit like he is a great father, seems like a very good dude, and it's also bullshit that that he load manages during games, and I can think that he's washed, and then he's, like, running and sprinting like he's young LeBron again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so Bronny's going to go to college. I highly doubt he's going to stay for four years.

Speaker 1 Maybe. If he stays more than one, I believe he'll be a Big Ten athlete.
Yeah, he will.

Speaker 1 But here's the thing. If Bronny is even slightly good as a freshman,

Speaker 1 then LeBron's going to be like, yo, enter the draft so that we can draft you. Right.
He's probably, okay, here's a future take for us.

Speaker 1 LeBron's about to be a bad father because he's going to deny his son a degree just so that he can draft him to get him to play on the Lakers. Boom, we're back.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be the opposite. I think he's going to make him stay in college.
And it's going to be a whole storyline.

Speaker 1 And he's going to make a shit ton of NIL money, but it's going to be a whole thing that LeBron won't let him graduate or leave.

Speaker 1 It's very funny, too, when these things happen and your first reaction is a selfish to yourself reaction where I was like, fuck, I'm going to have to stay up late to watch Bronnie. Yeah.
Like,

Speaker 1 damn. I already stay up late anyway to watch, you know, Bill Walton in Oregon versus Washington State and shit, but still, like, he will be, that will be

Speaker 1 insane viewership on those games. Bill Walton calling his games.
Great. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
I, I'm, I think I'm going to like Bronny. I think that's going to be my thing.
Yeah. I think

Speaker 1 Charlie Woods. Yeah.
Charlie Woods. We're the all the goats.
We're the next generation right now. Okay.
Goat, goat, next gen. Yeah.
The baby goats. Well, kids.

Speaker 1 That's what they call them. LeBron is older than us.
We can relate to Bronny a lot more. Yeah.
Like, listen,

Speaker 1 we're cool guys. LeBron doesn't understand us being in the media as this next generation.
He grew up watching, you know, ESPN and studio shows, all that. This is the new media, LeBron.

Speaker 1 You don't get it. I do hope that LeBron goes to USC and helps Bronnie move into his dorm and all that shit.
Stop living in a dorm.

Speaker 1 I think in some schools you have to, your freshman year. I doubt it.
Some of you are

Speaker 1 acquired one year. Yeah, maybe you will.
I don't know. Gets them all hooked up with the Green Street Hooligan.

Speaker 1 He might

Speaker 1 on a meal plan. He might have a dorm, but I don't know if he'll live there.
Yeah. Like, he might have a dorm to leave his shoes or something.

Speaker 1 If LeBron's just going to turn his dorm into a wine cellar for himself. I can't imagine that they make those kids be in dorms now, too, with NIL.

Speaker 1 Like, because LeBron he has already been in like some big-time advertising. He was in a big commercial.
Like, he's got his own money. I feel like some schools, especially.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Some schools, especially if it's got an athletic program that's like playing by the rules, you have to go there and you you have to be on campus as a freshman you have to have an address yeah yeah um because i was thinking like kale booms probably got the coolest house ever oh my god yeah he's probably according to like the nil site his evaluation of nil money is 7.2 mil a year

Speaker 1 yeah i don't really understand how it works but he's like the highest yeah nil guy 7.2 mil he's got to be um okay so yeah i I do think the Warriors, I think this is going to, this is going to be one of those series that might go,

Speaker 1 I'll say, will go seven, and people be like, what a classic series.

Speaker 1 Like, no, actually, it sucked because half the games, one team killed the other, and then they were like, all right, let's not waste our guys. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The best we can hope for it is probably alternate wins, alternate wins, alternate wins, game seven, close game. Yeah.
That's what I want.

Speaker 1 I did love Jeff Van Gundy just completely taking apart load management at the end of the game because

Speaker 1 there was like the discussion about like Anthony Davis playing 32 minutes versus 39 minutes. And he turned to Mike Mike Breen at the end of the game.

Speaker 1 He's like, I hope you can broadcast in two days after we just did 48 minutes. Like it's perfect because it is.
Oh, they were getting into it about that.

Speaker 1 Well, at some point, like when we're talking about the difference between like four minutes, like I get not having guys in in a blowout, that makes sense. But I don't think that

Speaker 1 an athlete of that caliber, four minutes in a playoff game should matter that much. It doesn't.
So the four minutes just matters because he was tired at some point and needed a breather. Right.

Speaker 1 He just wants to catch his his breath. Right.
And then whatever way the game clock checks out at that point, when he's feeling rested, he goes back in.

Speaker 1 And it's not like they're like, oh, well, 38 minutes would be too much for him tonight. Let's dial it back.

Speaker 1 And there are, like, it is different if it was like 43 minutes to 47 minutes because 47 minutes would be playing the whole game. I get that.
But 32 to 33 or 33 to 38, like, he can do it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

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Speaker 1 Did you see Hank's tweet while watching that game yesterday? No, please tell. It's hard not to think about the finals after watching these two teams go at it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it would have been a lot nicer to be 3-1 talking about this because I spent the whole time.

Speaker 2 The game was bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 It was a really, really, really bad game. The Knicks offense is horrible.

Speaker 1 Horrible.

Speaker 2 And I did spend the whole time thinking, obviously, now I would say whoever wins the Sixers Celtics series is going to go to the finals.

Speaker 2 But the whole time, I was like, well, the Celtics are going to smoke whoever wins the series.

Speaker 1 I think that's probably fair.

Speaker 1 I think the Heat are way behind the Knicks right now.

Speaker 1 The Heat makes no sense.

Speaker 1 The Knicks are like...

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're going to get one Jimmy Butler game, at least one Jimmy Butler game in the Eastern Conference finals, probably two or three of them. Well, if they got the Knicks.

Speaker 1 Good point, Jake. They're going to smoke the Knicks.

Speaker 1 They're going to win the Jimmy Butler games. That's just how it's going to be.
But they're not going to get four Jimmy Butler games in the Eastern Conference finals. The Heat make no sense.

Speaker 1 The Heat were down to the Bulls with like three minutes left in the play-in game.

Speaker 1 And all Heat fans were talking about how this is going to be a painful rebuild and you have to change over the whole roster. And now they feel like significantly better than the Knicks.

Speaker 1 They're in the best spot in the East right now. They're in the best spot in the East.

Speaker 1 The craziest part is Tyler Hero broke his hand and you're like, he's out for, it's done. The season's over.

Speaker 1 He could could come back because they're going to play all the way to the, like, if they get all the way to the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Either way,

Speaker 1 the Heat have been awesome. I don't really know.
Like,

Speaker 1 they just, they, they just playing very good basketball. And Spolstra is the best coach left in the Eastern Conference, probably in the NBA.
Yep. I think in the NBA.
Brad Stevens.

Speaker 1 So it does feel like they have the edge there. And a lot of these series do come down like to adjustments in game to game because you start to know your opponent so well.
Heat.

Speaker 1 I've never never been more wrong about saying heat culture was dead.

Speaker 1 Do people think that Jimmy Butler's unathletic? No.

Speaker 1 Because Jimmy Butler said that he did a reverse two-handed dunk in the game to prove all the people wrong who were always saying that Jimmy Butler is unathletic.

Speaker 1 I just didn't know if those people actually existed or not. I don't think he's not like an athletic specimen where you're like, he beats you with athleticism, but he's not un-athletic.
He's a great.

Speaker 1 He's saying like, he's probably sick of people being like, he just tries harder and he's a great basketball player.

Speaker 1 right right as opposed to being like he will go nuclear on you like john morant can go nuclear on somebody right he won't beat anyone like like tyrese maxi is like he's so much faster than everyone you know what i mean like that athleticism shows up whereas like jimmy butler isn't although i i mean i think his strength is if you're doing athleticism like speed jumping probably not like elite or well he's obviously elite because he's in the nba but his strength is is has to be up there because he's bullies because i've always thought jimmy butler exceptionally athletic individuals Yes.

Speaker 1 When I look at that man, I'm like, he's by a wide margin, he's more athletic than I am.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it's more that he just doesn't like have jumping out of the gym type of like athleticism that some guys get by with. Yeah, I was reading

Speaker 1 an article about that practice, the legendary practice that he had in Minnesota when they kicked him off the team essentially, where he was pissed off at the management and he said, fine, fuck it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to play with all the backups and we're going to play against the starters. And then they smoked him by like 10 points in the practice.

Speaker 1 Jimmy walked off the court saying, fuck you, pay me to the general manager.

Speaker 1 And then he walks directly into an interview with Rachel Nichols and basically says, I'm so much better than the rest of these clowns. Yes.
And then just blows up the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Speaker 1 Turns out Jimmy was right. Yeah.
Jimmy was right. You should have paid Jimmy Minnesota.
So you're not afraid at all about it.

Speaker 1 It would be funny if after this entire season And the Heat, remember the Heat were the number one seed last year if we get the same Eastern Conference final as Celtics Heat.

Speaker 2 I'm not thinking about that.

Speaker 1 Okay, you're thinking about two. But you were at the game.

Speaker 1 You were.

Speaker 1 How was the experience at the game? Hank said it's hard not to think about the finals, right? So that means he was thinking about it. But no, it means he was trying really hard.

Speaker 1 But he was, his mind kept on going back to the game.

Speaker 2 I didn't say who I thought was going to be in it.

Speaker 1 Hank, were you thinking

Speaker 2 that none of the teams I was watching were going to be in it?

Speaker 1 Answer the question.

Speaker 2 That was all I could think.

Speaker 1 Were you thinking about the finals? Yes. Who were you thinking about playing?

Speaker 2 I didn't say this. I just was thinking about the finals.
Like, oh, it starts June 1st.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's finals.

Speaker 1 Got it. Finals.

Speaker 1 How was the scene? How was the vibe?

Speaker 2 I mean, Miami is just the craziest scene in general, just walking around the city. And obviously, F1 was a very fun, like, bucketless event to go to.
It was like the Super Bowl in that.

Speaker 2 There's just so much going on. But Miami, just the people watching and the people that are just in the crowd and walking around is just ridiculous.
Max doesn't know what that Gucci was a brand.

Speaker 2 A guy was wearing a Gucci shirt in the front row, and it on the back it said Gucci. And Max said, Is that Gucci Man? Because it says Gucci on the back.

Speaker 2 And I said, No, that doesn't look anything like Gucci Man. First, then Max said, I don't know what Gucci Man looks like, which is crazy.
Then, two minutes later, it was like, Wait, Gucci is a brand?

Speaker 1 Oh, no, Max. I know, I knew, I know that Gucci is a brand.
I know that Gucci is a brand. I

Speaker 1 the font was different, the colors were different.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 was looking for stars.

Speaker 1 It was like like a big week, and I was like, oh, there's probably some stars. I was like, oh, Hank,

Speaker 1 you know, Gucci Mane. Like, is that him? He's wearing that shirt says Gucci on it.
Max. Oh, no.
Don't apologize for that.

Speaker 2 Max thought Gucci was wearing like a baseball jersey with his name on the map.

Speaker 1 Max, don't apologize for being trashy. You think that, like, I'm trashy, too.
Like, I don't have

Speaker 1 fine taste in nice things, like cream shirts or just like a Taco Bell. Don't apologize for that.
Don't apologize for that, Max.

Speaker 1 But it was. We're scumbags.

Speaker 1 We don't wear nice clothes. We're too fat to wear nice clothes.
I mean, that's very true. Like,

Speaker 1 I don't know. I didn't know what Hermes was.
Yeah, they don't make nice clothes for, specifically me and Max. They don't make nice clothes for guys with our build.
That's a fact.

Speaker 1 They don't do those. We get the linebacker ads on Instagram.
Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 We get the constant ads of you want a shirt that makes your arms look big and your gut looks small, and it's just a t-shirt. And then I put it on Roback.

Speaker 1 And then you, yeah, Roback actually works, and then you put the t-shirt on because I've been duped many times on these ads. You put it on, you're like, wait, I look exactly the same, still fat.

Speaker 1 We don't get Gucci. I don't get Gucci.
We don't get Gucci. Gucci's not advertising.
But it was memes.

Speaker 2 It was memes, a big Knicks fan. It was his first Knicks playoff game.
Terrible game to watch. I've been lucky enough to go to a lot of very cool sporting events, playoff games in my lifetime.

Speaker 2 This one would rank up there with the Villanova Michigan Championship game. It's just like...

Speaker 1 It was over instantly.

Speaker 1 It was just, it was just, yeah it was just like the energy just wasn't there did you get to see pat riley in the sands no i love that shot whenever they just put on pat and alonzo yeah i also had uh i was i was watching the first half of this game at a two-year-old's birthday party and uh

Speaker 1 guy came up and recognized me and was like you know you're gonna watch this game i was like yeah i was like i took the heat big and he you thought that i like had had like made fun of his mother and then at halftime i was like see and he had to kind of like bow his head and be like fuck nick's hype is out of control and they they're not that good but if the next winner they're winning at all probably yeah probably yeah probably yeah they their offense uh it's hard to watch sometimes you know what it is it well manual quickly got hurt that doesn't help um

Speaker 1 i also think that josh hart like played so well in a couple games that now tibbs thinks he's more than what he is because he's a good player a role player but he's not he can't be your like featured guy and when you need a bucket oh memes, memes sent the picture.

Speaker 2 The Heat have banners hanging.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, for MJ.

Speaker 2 No, for Tim Hardaway, Dwayne Wade, LeBron James, and Bam winning gold medals.

Speaker 1 Oh, they also have an MJ banner. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which is respect. Yeah.
Respect.

Speaker 1 That is. Mellow should have played for the Heat.
He'd have a banner. Yeah, that place would be just decorated.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The rafters would be full of Mellow. That would be sick.

Speaker 1 Hank, so you do are, you are anticipating that when the Celtics win this series, it's going to be a cakewalk to the finals through the heat.

Speaker 1 Or the next. You're officially overlooking the heat at this point.
Or the Knicks. Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay. Whoever wins that series, L.

Speaker 1 L for them.

Speaker 2 Whoever wins

Speaker 2 Celtics, Sixers, W.

Speaker 1 I'm officially in

Speaker 1 Don't Discount the Heat territory where it doesn't make sense anymore. And Jimmy Butler is just going to to be like better than everyone when he wants to be.
And Spo's going to be the best coach.

Speaker 1 And so, who the fuck knows? I think your take pendulum has swung too far. No, I well, no, I'm not saying that.
I still don't think the heat are that good. I'm more like,

Speaker 1 I don't know what to expect from the heat, so I'm done discounting that. It's like

Speaker 1 the heats get thrown out the window after you get hot. Right, the regular season doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 If they play the Sixers or Celtics, I'm not going to be like, oh, that's an easy win for the Sixers or Celtics.

Speaker 1 Now, do you think that there is something about the fact we talk about during the regular season sometimes? If you've ever listened to any

Speaker 1 podcast that's done by a former player, teams that go to Miami, they party it up in Miami. After one week, they have a good time.

Speaker 1 Do you think that even in the playoffs, guys go down there and they're like, fuck it, it's Miami. James Harden will come.
Let's have fun.

Speaker 1 James Harden, that could be a real issue for the Sixers, is James Harden going to Miami on the road for three games in the playoffs. Max is shaking his head.

Speaker 1 Max, you were a fucking delusional if you don't think that James Harden flew to Las Vegas on an off day. Correct.
If he's in Miami during the playoffs, that man will be hitting up every strip call.

Speaker 1 What did he do after he went to Vegas? That's a good point. Fair point.
But

Speaker 1 he's also going to be partying it up all the time down in Miami. That's fine if he drops 45 the next day.
But I don't think that he will every time. I don't know about the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Here's what James Harden went to playoffs. James Harden.
He went to Vegas. I don't know.
He went to Vegas two days before this.

Speaker 1 Game one. Before game one, when he had the best game of his career.
Smooching on girls.

Speaker 2 I think we should watch the game in here on Tuesday, by the way.

Speaker 1 Okay, that works. We should do, by the way,

Speaker 1 for Mount Rushmore, we should, because now I'm thinking about a PFT when you said my pendulum swung so much.

Speaker 1 There are certain times in sports where a team can win a championship and you're like, I still don't think they're that good. Oh,

Speaker 1 I think that's what the heat would be for me. So like, it's, I don't want to, I mean, Joe Flacco is elite, but when Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl,

Speaker 1 they're not that good. Like, there are teams that win championships, and if you've been a hater for long enough and you, like, watched enough of their games, you're like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 You go to your dying bed being like, no, no, no, they weren't that good. Yeah, LeBron, 2020.
Yeah, they weren't that good. Not that good.
I still don't think the Rams were that good. Which Rams?

Speaker 1 Oh, they won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 They just had Aaron Donald and Matt Stafford played really well for an extended stretch. But like, yeah,

Speaker 1 those teams exist in your mind. Like, I still think the 49ers were better than the Rams.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's some realist shitty teams that have been champions. Right.
A champion doesn't make you good.

Speaker 1 And it's the dumbest thing you can do as a sports fan to be like, yeah, yeah, no, no, I still don't think they're good, even though they proved that they were that good because they won a champion.

Speaker 1 Asterisks, that is a

Speaker 1 sports where you're just like, nah, I don't think they're that good. You know what this is going to turn into, though?

Speaker 1 It's just going to turn into you guys picking each other's teams just to piss each other off. What do you mean? Like you picking one of the Patriots teams, you picking the Capitals.
No.

Speaker 1 The Capitals were great. No one would ever pick that up.
No, I would be honest about it. I don't think there's.
No.

Speaker 1 No. I'm just saying.
Jake, no.

Speaker 1 Well, the Marlins in 97 and 03. Yeah, both locked.

Speaker 1 They were not that good. They were.
They were never in their history won the 03 especially. We know why.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's talk Sons, Nuggets. What a fucking game that was.
What a series this has turned into. Just great vibes.
Always great vibes between the Suns and the Nuggets. Two

Speaker 1 fan bases. So 2-0 going into Friday night.
And then Devin Booker decides to just go absolutely nuclear,

Speaker 1 pretty much for for two straight games because he was 14 for 18 tonight. And on Friday night, he was, what was his final score? I think he was 20 for 25.
It's 47 points, 20 for 25.

Speaker 1 He and KD have essentially been like, I mean, this is what we knew with the Suns, like, they don't have a bench. They traded everyone to get KD.

Speaker 1 So it was essentially like Devin Booker and Kevin Durant have to score 80 to 90 points a game for this to work. And tonight they scored 72 on Friday night.

Speaker 1 I think they scored, I don't know, like something like 85 plus. And

Speaker 1 now we have to ask the question, are the Suns better without Chris Paul? Yeah, I was hoping that we would ask that. I think, in a sick way, they definitely are better without Chris Paul.
100%.

Speaker 1 Because if you got Devin Booker and KD, those guys, big cat, would you say that they can both create their own shots? I would say so. I would say so, too.

Speaker 1 So they're not really like, obviously, they can make open looks and stuff and cut and get open off the ball, but you want the ball in their hands.

Speaker 1 There's only one ball, and I think one ball can be divided between two great players, but one ball can't be divided between three great players.

Speaker 1 Let's just pretend that the Miami Heat never happened when they had Bosch, LeBron, and Dwayne Wayne. Yeah, but Bosch had to play second fiddle for a lot of that.
None of those guys are point guards.

Speaker 1 That's true. That's a very good point.
I think if you have a big three and one of which is your point guard. Wait, no, no, I'm just.

Speaker 1 There have been some other teams where that hasn't worked out. But I do think that in a weird way they are.

Speaker 1 They're not relying on Chris Paul to run their offense, and they get along just fine without him. Well, and it it it's we we find this a lot in the NBA playoffs.

Speaker 1 Like if you're missing a key piece, everyone else has to step up, and that's exactly what Kevin Durant and Devin Booker have done. So I just looked it up.

Speaker 1 Devin Booker, the last two games, is shooting 34

Speaker 1 for 43. He's shooting at 79%.

Speaker 1 That's that's in fucking sane. Yeah.
That is absolutely you better win when your guy's shooting 79%. And the Nuggets, I mean, almost won this game.
Jokic scored 53. Like, it was an insane game.

Speaker 1 High, like, the shot making was out of control. And

Speaker 1 this series is fun. This series is a lot of fun.
And it's fun because Chris Paul's not in it. So moral victory.

Speaker 1 Is it good for the Nuggets that they were able to keep these last couple games as close as they had?

Speaker 1 Even though it took Devin Booker, like, defying the laws of physics, to be able to to shoot as well as he shot. But maybe he's just going to keep shooting this way.

Speaker 1 If he does then we're in for probably seven games in this series. Yes.
But I'm standing by my take Nugs in six. I still think it's going to be nugs in six.
Go back to Denver.

Speaker 1 We should actually say the guy that stepped up the most tonight in place of Chris Paul was Matt Ishbier. Yes.
The owner of

Speaker 1 him of the Suns. Yeah, exactly.
He filled the flopping void that was left by Chris Paul. It was an all-time flop.
It was a great flop. And it's good to see the owners get involved in the action.

Speaker 1 People are talking about like suspending Jokic. Well, yeah, so no, they should just get to shove Stan Cranky when he's courtside.

Speaker 1 That would be wonderful if Stan Cranky took a charge court side and his toupee just went flopping up in the air and then went into the fifth row behind him.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, they should just get to rip off his mustache.

Speaker 1 Wax off his mustache. Just take some hair off of him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a crazy scene because if Jokic gets suspended, that will be absolutely bullshit.

Speaker 1 Because Matt Ishmael, I mean, I don't begrudge him because if you're the owner of the team and you're you paid a shitload of money for him and you have a chance to maybe get the best player on the other team suspended, why not?

Speaker 1 But he grabbed the ball, wouldn't give it up, and then he kind of like chest into Jokic and then Jokic gave him a little shove. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If Adam Silver suspends Jokic for this game, it's bullshit. He should at least suspend Matt Ishbia from owning the Suns for at least one day.

Speaker 1 Matt Ishbia played on the national champion Michigan State teams. He's a Tom Izzo product.

Speaker 1 That should actually be the ruling. Matt Ishbia's got to play at least 20 minutes on Tuesday night.
I would watch that. That would be awesome.
Matt Ishbia,

Speaker 1 when I read up on, because I forgot that he was a walk-on on that team. Yeah.
That shocked me looking at Matt Ishbia's body type right now. Yeah.
Nothing about that guy screams basketball. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he was. And he actually, he like goes, so he owns, I think, the biggest mortgage company in the country.
And

Speaker 1 he

Speaker 1 treats his mortgage company like basketball teams where he'll split them up. Like each sales team is like five guys and they all have to learn.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So

Speaker 1 that will be bullshit if Jokic gets to spend him. I actually, I kind of felt like Jokic was going to have a game like this, especially after Embiid

Speaker 1 gassed out in the fourth quarter. Came back in overtime.
Don't get mad, Max. But Jokic scoring 53 points.

Speaker 1 And like, there's just, his game is so much fun to watch because it really is the most skilled YMCA player of all time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's I don't mean that in a bad way because people will be like, that's fucked up.

Speaker 1 But like, some of his shots, when he does the one-legged, you know, jumper, he'll just like lightly put in like an eight-footer. It's just beautiful.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to see the statue they eventually make of him. I hope he's riding a horse in it.
Yeah, and falling down and making a shot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I hope he's got like, he's got his left foot down, his right foot up, but his right foot is like maybe one inch off the ground.

Speaker 1 And his body is like kind of off at an angle, like a 45-degree angle. Yeah.
His head is tilted to the side.

Speaker 1 His right elbow is stuck out to the side, too, and you just know that he's going to switch it.

Speaker 1 The performance that he had, what was it, Friday night? Was that the last game? Yeah. Friday night, didn't he? He had like 30-something, 17-and-17 in that game.
He's just, he's incredible.

Speaker 1 I'm looking it up right now. He had 30, 17, and 17.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Yeah.
That's a crazy stat line. Yeah.
He's, I mean, it's stupid how good he is. You know what?

Speaker 1 Ishbia should be, they should force him to sit court side at the Nuggets game, and on either side of him should be one of the Jokic brothers. Ooh, I like that.
Just right in between them.

Speaker 1 Just let him. See if he does like a Steve Ballmer crotch grab on those two guys.
Yes. All right.

Speaker 1 So right now, so the last two games for the Suns, Kevin Durant and Devin Booker have scored 64% of their points.

Speaker 1 158 out of 250. You know what?

Speaker 1 That's a key to success. Have your best players score all the points.

Speaker 1 It might be just a hack that other teams could use in the future. Get Chris Paul on your team and then have him get injured.

Speaker 1 And that way, everybody is psyched that they don't have to play with Chris Paul anymore. Yeah.
Better vibes on the team. Yeah.
And I think tonight, yeah, Landry Shamet.

Speaker 1 The Suns, I'm going to fall for the Suns again because it is fun seeing Campaign out there.

Speaker 1 We had a great report on Friday night that Campaign, when he had to fill in and start for Chris Paul. He usually wears all black for the games.

Speaker 1 He decided to wear some colors to remind himself to have fun out there. That was an actual sideline report.
He wore colored clothes, colored clothes. That was a sideline report.
It's hard-hitting.

Speaker 1 We had some serious sideline reporting on it. There was one other that was essentially Chris Paul talks and then doesn't talk.
That's how he's been leading the team since he's been out. Home.

Speaker 1 I'm going to find it. I took a screen grab of it.

Speaker 1 He continued to talk a lot, specifically to Kevin Durant and Devin Booker first Chris Paul spoke up once stepped back allowed the two to talk then he spoke up a second time and then allowed Kevin Durant and Devin Booker to speak amongst themselves so making his presence felt but also allowing everyone else to do their thing let's get that that's called that that's called facilitating did you get that facilitating the conversation I don't think I don't think he's talking no no no no no talk I think I don't think that what you fail to understand big cat is it's the times that he didn't talk that were more impactful but he also talked after he didn't talk.

Speaker 1 But then, after he talked again, do you know what he did after that? He finished it with not talking. He didn't talk again.
Yeah, he closed it. So it's like he's that's that's his finishing move.

Speaker 1 These were not talking. These are, I don't know who the reporter is.

Speaker 1 I mean, look, sideline reporters have a tough job because if you don't get anything, like if they don't want to talk to you, you have to make it up.

Speaker 1 And this was Chris Paul talking and then not talking and then talking and then not talking. This was he just described a conversation.
This is the campaign. We're down 0-2.

Speaker 1 It's a different team, but he told me in order to get ready today, he sat in deep prayer.

Speaker 1 And he even dressed differently coming into the game, deciding to wear color instead of his usual black to represent fun and bringing energy. He said, if I dress well, I can play well too.
Got that?

Speaker 1 Yep, got it. Got it.
Got it. Got it.
Bub was just watching the TV, like, what the fuck does that mean?

Speaker 1 So, uh, yeah, that's uh, the Suns. The Suns are back.
Suns are back.

Speaker 1 This entire like playoffs are just, they rule. Like, we have, I, what would be the, and the Knicks Heat probably is the worst series, and that's 2-1?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I'd say that three out of the four series are awesome. Right.

Speaker 1 So we have two of them 2-2. Monday night, we might get all four to 2-2.

Speaker 1 I want at least - I want two game sevens to come out of this.

Speaker 1 Give me Warriors Lakers.

Speaker 1 Give me Warriors-Lakers game seven. Give me Celtic Sixers game seven.
Yeah, and Sunday seven. And give me all the popcorn.
Yes,

Speaker 1 all the kettlebells. Yeah.
So every series except the Heat one would be game seven Sunday, so we could have up to three on Sunday. Oh, that would be Mother's Day.
That's actually fucking good.

Speaker 1 And I think that would default the Celtic Sixers to a day game because the two West games are not going to put during the day. Yeah, that's true.
If it's on Mother's Day, game seven,

Speaker 1 you know what they have to do in LA, right?

Speaker 1 Or I guess that game's going to be in Golden State. Yeah.
You got to invite Delante West. Yeah.
You have to.

Speaker 1 But maybe not.

Speaker 1 Maybe not.

Speaker 1 I saw Hank's face. I read Hank's face.

Speaker 1 All right. Last thing.
Hockey.

Speaker 1 Do we count the Leafs getting into the second round if they don't win a game? This was a win. This was a win.
I don't either. They won a series for the first time since the first Bush administration.

Speaker 1 I don't think it counts.

Speaker 1 If they don't win a single game in the second round, I don't think they got to the second round.

Speaker 1 This is one of those games where if they'd won in overtime and it had been 2-1 instead of going down 3-0, if they'd won that game in overtime, I could see the Leafs pulling it out.

Speaker 1 Now the Leafs are going to crumple. Now this is what they do.
It's late in the season. Oh, they're down 3-0.
The Leaves will crumple. Yeah, so so it's over for them.

Speaker 1 It was a good run. We had a great run.
They won a series. Listen, who could forget? They won a series.
That's the equivalent of a Stanley Cup. Not over.

Speaker 1 It's over, Jacob. It's over.

Speaker 1 Jake, it's over. Not three.
It's over. It's over.
3-0. Jake.

Speaker 1 It's over.

Speaker 1 Now I'm kidding. Grabs doing something.
Hank will get a cat if the leaves come back and win this series. Okay?

Speaker 1 Deal.

Speaker 1 Deal. I'll match.
You'll get a cat? Yeah, I'll match.

Speaker 1 If you agree to get one. No.
Name it Rob Ford.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 there's no upside for him there.

Speaker 2 I'll do cat bets. Someone else has to do a cat bet if they sweep.

Speaker 1 No, but that's one more game.

Speaker 2 It's the same conversation. We try to get stalled.

Speaker 1 We get stalled. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Shout out Panthers. The Devils are back.
They won 8-4. Yeah.
And then the Oilers.

Speaker 1 Oilers are so much fun to watch.

Speaker 1 I know that they lost game one, but they won game two on Saturday night. They are, their power play is so much fun to watch.

Speaker 1 Did you see, by the way, with the Devils game, did you see Biz get into it with Tockett? No. They got mad at each other.
They got very mad at each other because Biz was like, this game's over.

Speaker 1 The Devils were up 3-0, and Talkett was like, yeah, well, let's just turn all the cameras off and pretend that this game's not even going to finish.

Speaker 1 And Biz was like, yeah, they should, because this game's over. Yeah, that was probably stupid.
Well, and then they went up, I think they went up, what, 6-2? Yeah. And then they came back.

Speaker 1 It was like 7-4.

Speaker 1 I was hoping that they were going to come back and somehow tie the game just to see Biz and Tac go round two. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Talk about fun to watch. Yeah, Kraken.
Up to nothing. Kraken are.
I just can't get over

Speaker 1 how much they nailed their jerseys. They fucking rule.
Like, the coolest color scheme. Yeah, I think that Pantones used in any other professional sports team, the Teal.
No.

Speaker 1 It's like lighter than the Dolphins Aqua. Yeah, it's exactly the Jaguars.
It's a good color, I think, and it's just exclusive. The whole thing is, they did a great job.
The Kraken.

Speaker 1 That would be Rob Ford's second favorite team. Yes, Crackheads.

Speaker 1 Spencer Hawes better be there. Otherwise, we're never getting the Sonics back.
Let me see. If he's not there, they don't get the Sonics back.
I'm saying, right?

Speaker 1 He's got to go to at least one playoff game. Yeah, FaceTime.
Let's see. He better be there.
I'm going to hang up instantly on him if he's not at this game. Okay.
It's called Ice Blue, the Pantone.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Ice Blue and shadow blue.
That's beautiful. And they also have boundless blue.
Whoa. Deep sea blue.
I think they made their own colors for this team.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, yeah, those are made up.

Speaker 1 Wait, those can't all be the

Speaker 1 deep sea blue? Deep sea blue, ice blue, boundless blue, shadow blue. And then the red is red alert.

Speaker 1 He's not there. No, that's probably, he's probably not picking up the game.

Speaker 1 I want him a towel in his hand. Otherwise, Sonic's never coming home.

Speaker 1 No, Spencer, why are you just at the game? Bad Sports Town. Bad Sports Spencer.
Bad Sports Town. Sonics, you're Sports.
You're Bad Sports Spencer. Oh, no.
Are you guys recording?

Speaker 1 Yeah, have you gone to a game yet? I've been to many games. Why are you offset?

Speaker 1 This is the playoffs. It's the Yops, man.
Saving it for Tuesday. Okay, all right, fine.
You go Tuesday, then the Sonics can come home.

Speaker 1 All right, it's a deal. You guys know it's a deal.
Okay, deal. Bye, Spencer.
Wow, we just made him go to a playoff hockey game.

Speaker 1 You hope you like jail, brother.

Speaker 1 It's like the funnest thing you can do is go to a playoff hockey game. We just made him do that.
And it sounded actually like he already had tickets. Yep.
He should be at this game, though. He should.

Speaker 1 He should. That's bullshit.
1-1. Home ice.

Speaker 1 Got to support the boys, Spencer. Starting to think Hank might be right.
Bum. Seattle might be a bad sports ten.
No, I see I was a great sports. I'll bring the Sonics back.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 F1.

Speaker 1 Credit to us.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Red Bull won one and two.
That's never happened before. You know what? We fixed Red Bull.
Red Bull, everybody was saying this team, they're going to fall fall apart.

Speaker 1 They don't have any cohesion. Everything that they've done this season, I forget how many wins they had, or P1s, whatever you want to call it.
Everyone's saying it was a fluke. Q1s.

Speaker 1 I think they demonstrated that it was not a fluke.

Speaker 1 Credit to Checo. Great loser.
Great loser. He was a great loser today.
So he picked that up from Max. Great loser.
Not you, Max. Not you, Max.
No, you're the other Max. You're a terrible loser.

Speaker 1 We also had a moment

Speaker 1 when it was like four laps were left, and Checo got caught on the radio asking, is Max struggling? He was just looking out for him. He was just hoping that he was okay.

Speaker 1 He was like, I'll be right there for him if he needs any help. James screenshotted that right away and put it in his folder.
Also, knowing that

Speaker 1 it was good. There was a side note when we interviewed Max and Checo on Thursday.
I have some friends that are big F1 fans, and I got two separate texts asking, is Max a dickhead in real life?

Speaker 1 And I read them as R Max. And then I was like, wait, they're talking about Max for Stephen, who is not a dickhead in real life.
Very good guy. Not a dickhead.
Very good guy.

Speaker 1 I do think knowing a little bit about Checo and his sense of humor and what we've kind of seen from when we've interviewed him, I think he knows for a fact that that was going to get caught.

Speaker 1 It was going to be a screenshot. It was going to be a clip that would come out.
He knows when he gets on the radio, people are going to be listening to it. I think he was fucking around.

Speaker 1 I think he was like, Max is winning this race, so I'm just going to bust his ball. Yeah, is he struggling? He's struggling.
Yeah. Yeah.
But F1 was fun this week. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Christian Horlick found the perfect toilet to piss at. Yeah, he did.
And he did for the king. Yeah.
He did for the king. What a coronation present.
Shout out to king and his stubby, gross fingers.

Speaker 1 What is wrong with his fingers? Inbred. Yeah.
They are, they look like little smokies. Remember little smokies, the little sausage bites?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're he's got he's got five little smokies on his hands. They're all they're all inbred.
Yeah. That's the that's the short answer to it.

Speaker 1 That one picture of his middle finger that's just a mute.

Speaker 1 It looks like he's having an allergic reaction only in his middle finger.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was hoping that we were going to get that uh the the absolute unit to show up at the coronation yeah that guy should be escorting the king down the aisle or whatever it is i don't know how coronations work but the absolute unit to look at the size of this lad guy with a double-breasted suit that guy should be the mascot of england he should be incorporated in every single formal thing they do someone pointed out too uh which was like genius that uh

Speaker 1 They really like the the monarch really was better in black and white because looking at a picture of the king and Camilla like with their robe and their, like, they just looked like they were going to a Halloween party.

Speaker 1 Some people, they looked ridiculous. Some people shouldn't be in high death.
Yeah. You know, like that 4K televisions weren't good for everybody.
No, no.

Speaker 1 And it was, it was the second televised coronation of all time, right? Because Queen Elizabeth was the first. This was the second.

Speaker 1 Prince Andrew showed up and he was like wearing the shroud of darkness or whatever the fuck he was he was getting to wear.

Speaker 1 And then Harry, Harry just had to wear a suit because he's not in the royal family. He regrets it.
So

Speaker 1 Prince Harry

Speaker 1 marrying Meghan Markle and then getting absconded with to America, not allowed to be part of the formalities. Prince Andrew, fucking 16-year-olds on pedophile island for 20 years, allegedly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, come on, come on in. Yeah, you're fine.
You can be part of the ceremony.

Speaker 1 You can walk Pippa down the aisle. Yeah.
They think Meghan Markle went in disguise. Oh, really?

Speaker 1 Okay, yes. This is my favorite theory, and this is going to be my who's back, but we'll just talk about it now with the coronation.

Speaker 1 British fans of the monarchy are some of my favorite sports fans in the world. Yes.
They are fucking insane. They're crazy how seriously they take this shit.

Speaker 1 There was a screenshot of this one guy in the audience. And to be fair, he looked a little bit like Donny Brasco undercover or like a, I don't know, a Dana Carvey character or something like that.
And

Speaker 1 they screenshot him because he's got this bull cut and these giant weird glasses on. Oh, I saw him.
He looks like he's straight out of the 1980s.

Speaker 1 And they're saying that that was Megan Markle wearing a prosthetic, pretending to be a dude to sneak into the coronation.

Speaker 1 I have no idea if it's true or not, but I now I believe it because these people care so very deeply about it. The only reason I don't believe it, and

Speaker 1 maybe this would be offensive to British people, but I'll just say it. British people do like really ugly better than any other country.

Speaker 1 They really do. Like they have some of the ugliest people, whether it be the teeth or whatever.
Like that guy, I saw him and I was like, oh, that guy's just as British as British gets. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, your king looks like if you just touched him with your finger, he would crumble into dust and then get blown away by the wind.

Speaker 1 But this guy... You know what I'm saying? I know what you're saying.
British people are. They're some really ugly British people.
I saw the picture of this guy and I didn't even think twice about it.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, yeah, that's just... a member of the British monarch because that's the best that they have to offer is a guy like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they have like they have a a bunch of people that look like they just were trapped in a time capsule and they showed up for this event and they haven't been like seeing the light of day since the 80s yeah i mean that's just britain they don't get any sun over there they don't have dental work their food sucks and they eat like they drink pea smoothies nick and uh nick and our colleagues nick and tommy went and i think they have a video coming out they were doing they were doing clips during it but uh nick asked one of the a british guy like this is so boring he's like britain does boring better than anyone yeah like yeah they do they really do A million percent, but I do choose to believe that Megan was undercover

Speaker 1 at that event. I like it, and who God knows what she was doing there.
Is there anything else from the

Speaker 1 since we are talking about it now?

Speaker 1 Uh, no, I mean, basically, he's going to die soon, and then somebody else is going to get a coronation, and then

Speaker 1 they should have skipped Charles and just gone straight to William. Yeah, this feels like a better PR.
It feels like a participation crown for Charles. It's like, okay, you waited long enough.

Speaker 1 We'll let you have your turn. It also, I do feel a little bad for

Speaker 1 not that bad for Camilla, because she's, you know, queen now. Should have been Diana.
Right.

Speaker 1 That's every time she gets put in the spotlight, everyone's like, oh yeah, those are the people that killed Diana. Yep.

Speaker 1 So it's, it's like, if I were Charles, I would have been like, I'm actually going to sit this one out because I don't really want a trend for killing my ex-wife. Nope.
Nope. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's yeah, all-time strays were getting caught there.

Speaker 1 So Harry is completely out of it, right? He regrets it. He does.
He has to. He probably does because he's been over in the States, like trying to get his wife hired as an actress.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 There are only so many podcasts that you can do with your wife before you start to think to yourself, maybe I should have just kept that job where I don't have to do shit and I get millions of dollars.

Speaker 1 Right. And live in castles.
Yes. Also, what's trending a lot is pictures of Diana's bodyguard that looks exactly like Harry, who's also Ginger.
Oh, is he the king? Interesting. Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 How old is he? Well, no, he might be Harry's father. Harry's dad.
Ah, got it. Oh, I see what you're saying.
I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.
Yeah, yeah. Ooh, interesting.

Speaker 1 I do think that we should have a king and queen in America, though.

Speaker 1 I understand the usefulness of the royal family because they just serve to do all the stupid shit that the president does that doesn't make a difference.

Speaker 1 So their actual politicians can govern instead of worrying about hosting the president of South Korea for karaoke or whatever.

Speaker 1 I understand why they do it. I still think that it's stupid how much money and wealth they have and how seriously they take it.
But I would like to see a king and queen in America.

Speaker 1 Should have been he passed, but but John Madden and Beyonce.

Speaker 1 That's perfect. That's a pretty good king and queen right there.
I was going to say

Speaker 1 Coach O should just be the king of Louisiana. Yeah.
They should get him a scepter. Coach O and Taylor Swift.
Coach O and Brandy. Did you see Brandy's Rock? No.
Good job, Coach O.

Speaker 1 Good job, Coach O'Keeffe. That buyout.
Yep. Told us.

Speaker 1 What do you say, Billy? Dolly Parton should be the queen. Yep.
Yeah, good point. John Madden and Dolly Parton.
Yeah. Bob Barker and Dolly Parton.
There you go. That works.
Yeah. That absolutely works.

Speaker 1 We should get to watch him fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Put it on the list.

Speaker 1 Don't tell me you wouldn't click on that link. I would, but only after you did it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 To make sure that it was safe. Yes.
So I didn't get a virus.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Last thing, Kentucky Derby. Mage wins.
Good job. Mage right.
Good job. 17 to 1.
Maje. Majee.
Maje. Maje.

Speaker 1 Forte got scratched. There's a lot of people were very upset.

Speaker 1 If you lost a Kentucky Derby like I did, this guy wrote an article saying,

Speaker 1 sorry, but Kentucky Derby 149 deserves an asterisk.

Speaker 1 Maze, a horse forte, just beat twice at Gulfstream Park, benefited when the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission scratched the Derby favorite Saturday morning. So asterisk on everyone who lost.

Speaker 1 Sure, asterisk on that. There were seven horses that died this week at Churchill Downs.

Speaker 1 There's got to be a way that you can take a horse that broke its leg and just like wrap it up real good and suspend it above the ground so it doesn't re-injure itself. I feel like we haven't exhausted

Speaker 1 the medical

Speaker 1 state of America to figure out a way to make a horse not kill itself and not keep re-injuring itself.

Speaker 1 I feel, and this is not really fully understanding, but I feel like it's like pretty much the owners are like, this is going to cost me too much money.

Speaker 1 I think that there might be something to any of that for him. He's not going to be winning me any races.
Yeah, right. So, like, as much as I say that I love this horse, you got to kill it.
Rehab?

Speaker 1 I don't want to have to feed this fucking thing. Yeah.
I don't understand why they don't do it for breeding purposes. Even though they can't run, it can still fuck.

Speaker 1 But if they don't win, if they don't win, then the breeding is not worth it. Then you just got a bunch of worthless horses.
Then you're just

Speaker 1 hoping the horse would have been good if they were not, didn't have a broken leg. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Then somebody would buy that cum for the potential of it. Yeah.
Like it'd take it's a risky investment. Because didn't you bring that up with Randy Moss?

Speaker 1 They should just start breeding horses, don't even race. Until race, just based on like, look how strong and fast this horse is.
Like, let's not even risk the injury. But I do feel like...

Speaker 1 we play horse racing on a spreadsheet yeah exactly it's like money ball it's sabermetrics yeah but yeah it's like it's a distressed asset if you buy an injured horse's cum yeah there's a lot of money that could be made could also just be a total bust no pun intended um okay let's do who's back of the week the pro football football show is presented by the chevy silverado built for the hustle ready for the game chevy silverado is america's most dependable full-size truck whether you're grinding through the week or gearing up for kickoff the silverado is one ride that's always game ready.

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Speaker 1 Who's Back of the Week, Hank?

Speaker 2 My Who's Back of the Week, I did have Red Bull. I did have Bronny Jr.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow, sorry.

Speaker 2 It's all right.

Speaker 1 I'll power through.

Speaker 2 My who's back of the week is Chris Brown being problematic. Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 He's had himself quite a weekend.

Speaker 2 He had a birthday party thrown for him by Usher. There's a bunch of R ⁇ B legends that were there performing.

Speaker 1 You're going to let another man throw a birthday party for you? Yeah, that's cool. That's sus.

Speaker 1 But then, and then, and then, it was probably something really masculine, right?

Speaker 2 Usher invited Tiana Taylor, who apparently Chris Brown has beef with. They got into a verbal altercation, and then

Speaker 2 Chris Brown was demanding Usher that he kick out Tiana Taylor. He didn't.

Speaker 2 And then the rumor is there's no video evidence of this, and all the video evidence is of them kind of being buddy-buddy at the party, and Usher didn't seem to be too fucked up, but there was a rumor that Usher sent his bodyguard to go fuck up Usher.

Speaker 2 And then today, at a music festival, he was fighting with Missy Elliott. So Chris Brown is just back.
He's wilding out.

Speaker 1 I never really got like

Speaker 1 why

Speaker 1 people, I guess, his songs were so good that people were like,

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he like brutally beat up Rihanna. Yeah, yeah, no, it was like that felt weird.
Always. Wait, is that Tiana Taylor? Is that the porn star? Yeah, like he takes the fucking shit out of him.

Speaker 1 Right, and everyone's like, really bad. But his bangers.

Speaker 1 He's a bad guy. It's like, he's a bad guy.
I can overlook certain things.

Speaker 1 I think as a nation, we've agreed to just talk about Michael Jackson's bangers more so than the other stuff.

Speaker 1 But with Chris Brown, it's like he doesn't have the body of work to separate the art from the artist.

Speaker 1 And he's also, I'm not shocked when a story comes out that he's a bad guy because he's already proven he's a bad guy. What are you laughing about with Billy?

Speaker 1 I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 Billy's hearing Tiana and just thinks porn. I'm actually going to

Speaker 1 put that on the bottom. bonnet.
No, don't put that on the bonnet. Oh, yeah, you did.
I didn't know who Tiana Taylor is. Now I don't.
Tiana who's thinking of you only know one Tiana and it's a porn.

Speaker 1 You're thinking of what's there's TT. You're thinking Tiana Trump? Yeah, it's alliteration.
Yeah, to be fair, but he's always thinking about Trump, though. Yeah, that's true.
He's got it on the mind.

Speaker 1 Yeah, come on.

Speaker 1 Sessim, who's back? Okay, good. Who's back? It was at a roller skating rink, too.
That's very funny to get your ass kicked outside of a roller skating rink. Were they on roller skating?

Speaker 1 Taylor's birthday party at a roller skating.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't know how to roller skate.
I don't either. I know how to roll a blade.
We can bring roller skate.

Speaker 1 No, I bet you that there's beef there. I bet that the roller skating rink people are like, under no circumstances are blades allowed in the skating rink.
Okay, we're going to do our

Speaker 1 40th birthday party at a roller blading rink slash bowling alley. With a petting zoo.
Yeah. In the rink.
We're going to

Speaker 1 be dodge donkeys and shit. And we should charge people like five grand to come to our party.
And then we won't show up. And then we'll have

Speaker 1 we should also invite Usher and beat the shit out of him. Yeah.
We should just do a fire fest for our birthday party and make a shitload of money. Yeah.
But if we say it before, people can't sue us.

Speaker 1 No, it's going to be a lot of fraud. Yeah.
Yeah. So if you buy a ticket that's on you, we're not coming.
$5,000. Just buy it.
It's going to be sick. Okay.
PFT.

Speaker 1 My Who's Back was going to be the monarchy. Monarchy's back, but I'll just say Ed Sheeran.
Ed Sheeran's back. So a jury ruled in his favor in a lawsuit.

Speaker 1 Marvin Gay's family sued him because one of his songs was definitely a blatant ripoff of let's get it on I think anybody that ever heard that song was like oh yeah that's just let's get it on just with Ed Sheeran doing his whimsical British howling over it but the jury ruled in favor of Ed Sheeran because I guess it's tough to prove that the or I guess the melody and the lyrics weren't similar enough to let's get it on but shout out Marvin Gaye's family who's just listening to every single hit song that comes out and thinking about how that's a ripoff of Marvin Gaye's song from like 30 years ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because they did that with Robin Thick, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 With blurred lines, which was a blatant ripoff. But Marvin Gaye was that good that there are...
Yes. It is.
I just looked it up because I was like, wait, his dad's not still alive, right? He is dead.

Speaker 1 Because that would be extra weird. Oh, if his dad was suing to get money.
The guy who killed Marvin Gay? Yeah. Yeah.
No, he died in 1998. Okay, good.
That would have been messy. Good.

Speaker 1 I'm glad that his dad.

Speaker 1 Taking everyone to fucking court. Yeah, that would be actually...

Speaker 1 What the fuck? That sounds like something. Marvin Gaye could have taken them to court if he you didn't kill your son that sounds like something that would happen in the royal family at some point.

Speaker 1 Yes, like

Speaker 1 infanticide followed up by

Speaker 1 suing your dead prince's

Speaker 1 opponents. Yeah, Jake.
Did you see how Ed celebrated? He was here in the city, hopped on a car and just did a free concert in Soho. Oh, hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Very cool. Nice.
It was pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 Someday I hope one of us meets Ed Sheeran. Yeah, that'd be great.
Yeah. Has anyone? God willing.
I actually did one time. What? Yeah.
When? Where? I met him. It was 2015

Speaker 1 at Sirius Radio. He was there promoting, I think, his album or whatever, right?

Speaker 1 And I was also there recording my podcast, The Steam Room, which Charles Barkley stole the name of my podcast, by the way. It's in Canon.
You can look it up.

Speaker 1 So me and Ed go into the bathroom at the same time at Sirius and we're peeing at stalls next to each other or the urinals next to each other. Okay.
You must have been nervous.

Speaker 1 No, no, I actually let it flow. Nice.
Like I got, I had a powerful, it was like a fire hose. Was there a barrier? Yeah, I think there was a small barrier.
I I didn't quarters full.

Speaker 1 I didn't look at his penis. Could you peek over? Yeah, I probably could have peeked, but I'm not a peeker.
It's like Scout's Honor.

Speaker 1 So, plus, I tower over him. So, he was probably more eye-level with my penis than I was with him.
So, I just start pissing, right? Just real bad pissing. And then Ed can't pee.

Speaker 1 He's trying to. He's like struggling.
And I'm pissing so hard. He starts doing the thing where he's like spitting into the urinal, thinking maybe I'll mistake his spit for the sound of piss.

Speaker 1 So, long story short, I just pissed, and then I zip everything up. Ed retreats from the urinal because he got too much bad stage fright trying to piss next to him.
That's fucking wild.

Speaker 1 I've known you for like almost a decade, never heard that. I know we learn fun facts about each other all the time.

Speaker 2 I want to hear the long story long of that one, Dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That was no, that was

Speaker 1 enough tape on the podcast. Yeah, you pat him on the ass when you left? No, I didn't pat him on the ass.
Okay, that was rumors. Billy, you're ruining the bit.
That's a stupid question, Billy.

Speaker 1 You've never heard this story, Billy? There was rumors that you gave him a pat on the ass, a nice one. No, I did not give him a pat on the ass, no.
Have you heard this story, Billy? No. Wait.

Speaker 1 Okay, now you've been me. The funny part is,

Speaker 1 there are definitely people out there that are listening that have not heard the story yet. Of course.
And they don't understand that I've told this story 40 times.

Speaker 1 They don't understand the last five minutes of the show.

Speaker 1 But it is a true story. Yeah, no.
He couldn't pee. Yeah.
I did. It's wild.

Speaker 1 Okay, my who's back of the week is higher education because Justin Fields just graduated college. So he's ready to go.
Also found out his middle name's Skylar. Oh, that's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 Don't really love that. Skylar Fields.
Yeah, that feels

Speaker 1 red flag-ish. Skylar Fields.
Yeah, I don't know. JSF.
Look, you can't pick your name, but you can change your middle name.

Speaker 1 You can change your middle name if you want to. So, what did he get his degree in?

Speaker 1 What did he get his degree in? Football. Yeah, I don't know.
I did look up to try to see if Zach Wilson got a degree, and he did. So I was going to dunk dunk Billy, but that didn't happen.

Speaker 1 What did he get his degree in? Let's see. Justin Fields.
Yeah, he graduated. I like when guys go back.

Speaker 1 Family Financial Services. Oh, that's nice.
Yeah, Consumer in Family Financial Services. That is a good degree.
Yeah, good for him. So now the Bears are ready to go.

Speaker 1 Well, Counterpoint College, you know, graduate. Now he's officially a Buckeye quarterback.
That's true. So you can't really run away from that anymore.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he should have graduated from somewhere else. He should have graduated.
Yeah, USC. Yeah, if he had gotten his degree from like, I don't know, Northwestern

Speaker 1 in the offseason. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So yeah, congrats to Justin Fields. Very cool.
Billy. I got a couple who's backs.
First one, speaking of Prince Andrew, Epstein's Islands have just gotten bought by

Speaker 1 Stephen Deirdoff, who's going to make it into a hotel. And that's luxury resort.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Totally not covering anything up. Also, Alabama baseball.
Brad Bohannon was fired because he may have tipped off a dude in Cincinnati. It seems like he did.
Yeah. Very much did.
Allegedly.

Speaker 1 Just throwing that out there. Man, it seems pretty.
Yes. I mean, he got fired, and I think the other guy might be in jail.
Yeah, because they text messages. Yeah, while he was in the casino.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not good.

Speaker 1 No one knew he was going to bench all of his stars for a game against LSU, which he got blown out by, but someone put like a six-figure bet on it. And then, last but not least, wait, I have one thing.

Speaker 1 I want to go back to the first one: Epstein's Island. I don't.

Speaker 1 There needs to be. Now, Epstein pedophile, pedophiles bad.
What? is the word for people who are obsessed with pedophiles? Pedophile files. Yeah, because there is like a group of people online

Speaker 1 that are like I, yes, there were some salacious things where, you know, when it all came out, I watched the documentary, everything. But at this point, it feels like people are like

Speaker 1 Google alerts for anything Epstein-related. Yeah.
It sounds like you might be on one of these lists.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I didn't know the island sold. Dude, wait, you're saying Billy or me? No, no, no, I'm saying like,

Speaker 1 it's not the, it's not,

Speaker 1 you are telling people, like, hey, maybe we should just chill out with all the investigators.

Speaker 1 I see how that comes in.

Speaker 1 There's some crazy shit that they're hiding from people really i'm talking about really i'm talking about billy and dante is really who i'm talking about because dante tweets about his walks clicks okay that's fair it just gets clicks it plays yeah billy i just want to say for the record i hope you discover all the truth yeah anybody that's ever flown into that island before i want you to get their names and i want you to broadcast it's the pizzagate guy he would be the pedophile file where he's so obsessed with like finding pedophiles that he goes to a pizza store and it's like they have kids locked in and a lot of times internet pedophile files end up just becoming

Speaker 1 pedophiles right exactly there's definitely a weird like thing where it's like if your main hobby online is hunting pedophiles

Speaker 1 go outside touch grass look look at all the sick stuff that they did i wrote up a long description of everything that happened on that island but i do understand how

Speaker 1 the way i broached that topic definitely put a target on me that's fine i could deal with that release the list uh also i should make a list of pedophile files yeah so i'm a pedophile file file.

Speaker 1 Pedophile. I'm obsessed with the people who are obsessed with people who are pedophiles.
Yep.

Speaker 1 That might be. No, that's not Chris Anne.
Could just go with pedophans. Pedophans.
Yeah, pedophans would be good. Yeah.
No.

Speaker 1 No, I think that's just watching the Little League World Series. Dude, it gets clicks.

Speaker 1 Also, horse trainers. Saffy Joseph Jr.
was banned after two of his horses died within like three days at Churchill Downs earlier this week. He got banned from the Kentucky Derby.
Too many horses died?

Speaker 1 Yeah, which is nuts because he's probably probably shooting them up with some crazy they're just basically like they died after the races this guy brought the vibes down so uh you're done man no but like whatever he they definitely allegedly shot him up with something that like made them go run so hard they just died right after listen it's it's i love horse racing it's not good santanita had a bunch of this a few years ago it's it it is not good just figure out a fucking way to not have to kill the horses yeah i think maybe or maybe just figure out a way to kill them like two weeks after the kentucky derby Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, just put him in a coma. The fact that it happened during this week is really the, if we're really going to nail down on the issue.

Speaker 1 Because you don't hear about horses that die at tracks during the rest of the year.

Speaker 1 What you could do is you could just, like, you could shoot them up with whatever it is that kills them and then just weekend to Bernie's the horses and just have like four guys lifting their hooves up, walking them out of the bar.

Speaker 1 This horse is totally okay. We're taking him back to the horse hotel.
No, this horse is going upstate.

Speaker 1 Such a competitor doesn't even feel any of the pressure of the Kentucky kentucky derby yeah ice in the veins if they body doubled horses yeah they should every horseshoe body double be like this is totally barbaro yeah look at him i bet a rod in one of the barns no i bet on two fills and that was the worst like loss gambling wise my son picked two fills as well he wanted the blue one i actually he almost got it i was in he kept on it was heartbreaking too because he's like the blue one's winning right and i was like it is and then at the end he was like did the blue one win i was like nope i got a crazy tip in a gambling group chat that a mobster died and the last thing on his deathbed said was bet on two fills.

Speaker 1 That's kind of awesome, though. Yeah,

Speaker 1 also two online. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I do want when I die, I want to leave a hot gambling tip for somebody. Just because, like, what if it wins? Yeah, you'd be a lot here.
I thought that was, I thought that was it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fucking mage came out of nowhere. I bet mage is drugs on drugs.
I want him drug tested. I'm going to get a gambling tip tattooed on my body for right before I die.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Legend.

Speaker 1 Jake. My Who's Back? It's just a PSA.
My Who's Back's mom's. It's Mother's Day.
Oh, yeah. I'm reminding all the AWS to take care of their moms.
Be careful, Jake. Yeah, take good care.

Speaker 1 Yeah, get a gift. It is.
Mother's Day does sneak up. Exactly.
Because it's always Father's Day. You know, once Mother's Day hit, you're like, Father's Day's got to be coming.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But Mother's Day does sneak up.

Speaker 1 It's a good PSA. Just a heads up.
Does it feel like it's early this year? No. It's never too early.
My mom's big cat. That's true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's no worse feeling because there's definitely been some years where I've like turned on an MLB game. I'm like, why the fuck got pink bats? Yeah.
Pussies.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit, it's Mother's Day. Yep.
I forgot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so good call, Jake. That's a very good PSA.
Jake,

Speaker 1 how are you feeling about the heat overall? I feel solid. I mean, again, at this point, like we said three weeks ago, it was like,

Speaker 1 who cares? Because it was heat bowls and it's like, they're going to lose to the Bucs. I'm all the way back in now.

Speaker 1 I'm obviously not living and dying as much as Max and Hank here, but I'm along for the ride. And Jake would enjoy the Stanley Cup and the Larry O'Brien trophy.

Speaker 1 And not caring. And just for a while.
No, I don't care. Everyone.
These guys are diehards. I'm not going to sit here and be like, yeah.
No, your Yankees and Dolphins are your one, too, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, but even now, like, I don't know, as I get deeper into this broadcast and stuff, it's like, I just don't want to. You're right.
This show, we try to keep our bias aside. Yeah, so like,

Speaker 1 yeah, obviously I root for them, but I'm not going to, I probably won't lose sleep over any teams anymore. Okay.

Speaker 1 i think i've changed my mind i think i would instead of seeing heat celtics i would rather see jake against max because max i think jake's calm demeanor would make max so much more angry that he's not getting any any shit back from him but jake beating hank it might be rock paper scissors you know what i'm saying what do you mean one beats one oh jake beats hank hank hank beats max jake beats hank yeah and lebron wins the title and we all lose yeah that would suck that would be awful

Speaker 1 That would suck. If that happens, should we quit the podcast? I wouldn't mind LeBron winning.
I will. Oh, don't.
All right. Listen.
I thought about that, too.

Speaker 1 If the Sixers lose, I'm going all in on the Lakers.

Speaker 1 Oh, you fuck.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You fuck.
Oh, yeah. You fuck you.
You fuck you. You fuck you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you guys having three out of the four teams in the East. Like, I will personally take it.
And memes. And memes.
Four for four. Four for four.
I will personally take it out on

Speaker 1 any of the four of you that gets to the finals if LeBron wins. Just so you know.
That'll be on you. That'll be your fault.
Yeah, I mean, the Bulls made the postseason. They didn't actually.

Speaker 1 It doesn't exist. It doesn't exist in the records.
They made the non-regular season. Yeah, they did not make the postseason officially.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's get to Michael Davies. Oh, another quick who's back of the week.
NHL. The lottery.
Yeah. The lottery, I think it's tonight, isn't it? Yeah.
Monday night. Connor Bedard.
The Bedard sweepstakes.

Speaker 1 Blackhawks have the third best odds. It's going to change some.
I kind of hope that if he doesn't go to the caps, I wouldn't mind seeing him go to the Blackhawks. Where are the caps odds?

Speaker 1 I think they're like 5%.

Speaker 1 Okay. So crazier things would happen.
Like, it'd be

Speaker 1 Bedarded, but it could happen. Yeah, I was going to say, you're going to make a Black-eyed peas.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Someone will cheat that the minute that the lottery gets decided.

Speaker 1 The fun fact, the lottery machine for the NHL is why I bought this and why Hank's life has been ruined. Hank, who do you think is going to win the NHL lottery? Oh, can you get it?

Speaker 2 Can you get it right? The Black Hawks. Okay, nice.

Speaker 1 Now we're definitely not.

Speaker 1 We're not. We're definitely not.
I can't believe they don't televise that portion. No, they do.
For the NBA? Oh, no, no. No, for the NHL, they do.
Yes. Oh, they do?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's why I bought it because everyone thought it was rigged because one of the balls went up weird.

Speaker 1 That is. And

Speaker 1 I was like, I need one for this. No, because the NBA, they always show the room, but they never show the live drawing.
No, I know. Giant envelopes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's get to our interview. We got a great interview with Michael Davies, some Barstool Van talk.
He was the executive producer.

Speaker 1 And some Jeopardy talk, some great soccer talk as well. Before we do that, PFD, you got a quick word from one of our sponsors.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest. I believe, yeah, you have been on.
It's been a while.

Speaker 1 It is Michael Davies, our old friend, producer of Barstool Van Talk, but now he somehow has parlayed Barstool Van Talk into Jeopardy. How did you do? I mean, Jeopardy Masters coming out May 8th.

Speaker 1 Did you put Barstool Van Talk on your resume

Speaker 1 when you were trying to get this job as executive producer of Jeopardy Masters?

Speaker 3 Oh, it's permanently on my resume. It can't be deleted.
Is this the second episode of Barstall Van Talk? I mean, technically, it could be.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 Well, you were on episode two.

Speaker 7 We taped that full interview with you in the back of the van.

Speaker 3 That never made it to air, but I think you must have

Speaker 3 a visit. I don't remember being bundled into the back of the van, but if you say it happened, it happened.
Yeah. Wow.
R.I.P. Barstall Van Talk.
Yeah, Jeopardy Van Talk.

Speaker 3 That would be a that would be a show awesome.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Jeopardy Masters.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Dan. That

Speaker 3 goes on the air next Monday, May 8th. The greatest Jeopardy players alive playing against each other over 10 episodes to see who's going to be the Jeopardy Master.

Speaker 1 Ooh. So who is it?

Speaker 1 Who are the competitors? Because I am a casual Jeopardy fan.

Speaker 1 Jeopardy is one of those shows that I love when I stumble upon it, but then I feel incredibly stupid watching it and not getting any of the answers correct. So I know Ken Jennicks is.

Speaker 3 Actually, that surprises me. I thought you had actually been a pretty good Jeopardy player.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, the six Jeopardy Masters.

Speaker 3 Well, the host is Ken Jennings, who is the GOAT. He's the greatest Jeopardy player of all time, won the most consecutive episodes.
Then you have James Holtzauer.

Speaker 3 He's won a lot of episodes straight. I think he's won more money on the show than anyone in recent memory.
Superb player from Las Vegas, professional gambler, a man

Speaker 3 after your own desires, I would say.

Speaker 3 Amy Schneider, who came from that classic season 38. Amy Schneider, Matt Amodio, two of the biggest winners from that season.

Speaker 3 Matteja Roach, who won 23 straight games at the age of 23, arguably the best young player in the world. Then Andrew He,

Speaker 3 brilliant young computer programmer from Northern California, and rounded out by Sam Buttery,

Speaker 3 Steve Martin lookalike. an assistant professor at the Postgraduate Naval Academy.
We have boomers, we have Gen X's, we have Millennials,

Speaker 3 we have something for everyone on Jeopardy Masters.

Speaker 7 So when you say that Ken Jennings is the goat, you said that in a tone that conveys that he's the undisputed goat of Jeopardy. Is there anybody out there that would disagree?

Speaker 7 Because I know that there are a lot of Jeopardy James fans. I think that Holsauer is the better player.

Speaker 3 I think James Holtzauer would disagree, and he disagrees loudly in every episode. And I think he's desperate for a rematch against Ken.

Speaker 3 But it'd be, I think it's a tough argument, Ken having won all those episodes and when they played a prime time event named GOAT to determine the greatest of all time, Ken Jennings won that against James.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Always people bring up like the buzzer situation that some guys are better than other contestants at the buzzers. That's true.
Have you found what's the secret to being fast on the buzzer in Jeopardy?

Speaker 3 Well, the buzzer, we actually have buzzer data now. We have Jeopard data.
We've introduced that. So we actually see what's going on with the buzzer.

Speaker 3 One thing that we've instantly found, PFT, is that everybody complains, oh, I just didn't get in on the buzzer. I didn't get on the buzzer.

Speaker 3 And then when we look at the data, we realize that they weren't actually buzzing in. So the first secret to the buzzer is you actually have to buzz in.

Speaker 3 That's a very big thing. And also, it's a lockout system.
So the buzzer doesn't open up. You can't buzz in until the final word has been read on the clue.
And so you have to be patient.

Speaker 3 You can't go in too early. You've got to wait for that moment and then buzz in so that you're not locked out.

Speaker 7 I would definitely be one of those people that complained that the buzzer just wasn't working for me and I wasn't buzzing in at all.

Speaker 7 And I'm sure one thing that you've learned on this job firsthand that we've just had like a small taste of because we have our own trivia league here at Barstool, a dozen that we compete in is trivia fans are unique.

Speaker 7 They're very passionate. They're weirdos, but they're very passionate and they care a lot.

Speaker 7 Have you had, was there an adjustment period where you were like, wow, these people care way more about the game show than even I thought that I did?

Speaker 3 Look, I've worked in trivia for a lot of my career. When I wasn't working on Barstall Van Talk, I produced some

Speaker 3 other quiz shows. So I did Millionaire, I did ESPN's Two Minute Drill, World Series of Pop Culture, Win Benstein's Money, a bunch of shows.
So I've been around the trivia nerd for a long time.

Speaker 3 And they sort of, there are three kinds, right? There's the people who just have read everything, seen every movie, they know everything forever. Those are the pure bloods.

Speaker 3 You then have the people who are the really biggest nerds who just have learned trivia in order to be good at trivia. Those are the mud bloods.

Speaker 3 And then you've got the half-bloods, the people who know like a bunch of stuff, but they've done a lot of revision on the side. So there is three different flavors of nerds.

Speaker 3 Jeopardy attracts the entire world of them.

Speaker 1 So what about the nerds that we deal with?

Speaker 1 The everyone is cheating all the time people, because that's what we deal with when we do our trivia show. And Jeff D.

Speaker 1 Lowe does a fantastic job, but there's a group of people who just assume the worst of everyone. And and like every answer, they're like, no way he got that.
He was looking at his computer.

Speaker 1 He was doing this.

Speaker 1 Those are the people PFT was alluding to that maybe

Speaker 1 I take a little too seriously sometimes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, look, 110,000 people apply to be on Jeopardy every year. We take about 400 of them.
That's a 0.36% acceptance rate. Harvard is at 4%.

Speaker 3 Jeopardy is pretty hard to get onto. It's tough to cheat your way on.
Like, I think that maybe you just need to make your show way more competitive to get on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's probably that's definitely true. Actually, has there ever been a cheating scandal on Jeopardy with a kid?

Speaker 3 You know, it's interesting because when you're asking the question, I was thinking about that. I mean, years ago, and this has been something that, um,

Speaker 3 you know, there have been, you know, we've just launched this History of Jeopardy podcast, and it's been something we've looked into.

Speaker 3 You know, there was a contestant who had appeared on multiple game shows under different names,

Speaker 3 but there's no suggestion that she ever cheated in any way. She just wasn't under the same name or, you know, on every single show.
So I don't think we've ever had a cheating schedule.

Speaker 3 I think Jeopardy would be very, very difficult to cheat on. Yeah.
You'd have to find out all the answers to the clues or all the questions to the answers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it would be maybe. Yeah, it would be very, very hard.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Maybe drug tests, make sure no one's on Adderall.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I probably wouldn't disqualify anybody for being on Adderall.

Speaker 1 I got a dumb question about Jeopardy because you, like you said, you have the History of Jeopardy podcast. Will you ever run out of trivia questions?

Speaker 3 Well, with a Writers Guild strike about to be called within 24 hours, Dan, that question is pretty appropriate.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's tough to, I mean, I think it's remarkable what the writers do, how they continue to find categories, they continue to find things to write about because Jeopardy has enormous range on a daily basis.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So it's very hard to like figure it all out.
It all starts with a blank page.

Speaker 3 But, you know, while the world still, you you know, it's kind of like, you know, will you ever run out of things to talk about on pardon my take?

Speaker 3 You know, while the world still has stuff happening in it on a daily basis, there will probably always be, you know, information and places and names and things to talk about.

Speaker 1 That's true. We're making trivia right now as we speak.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. There you go.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 The day that Hank gets the lottery ball correct, that's when we just completely run out of topics to talk about on the show.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. It'd be a dark day.
Yes. Your career is

Speaker 1 fascinating. You've been in in television for, what, 30 years now? 30 plus? Longer.

Speaker 3 Yeah. 34 years.

Speaker 1 So who wants to be a millionaire? You mentioned you've worked with incredible, you know, you've worked with Jerry Seinfeld, with Jimmy Kimmel, all these different shows.

Speaker 1 You've, you know, Bravo, the Andy Cohen show is out of your offices in

Speaker 1 Chelsea or Soho.

Speaker 1 What is the one job that you were like, this is the show. We put it out there.
And I really think it should have hit, but right time, right place, whatever it may be.

Speaker 3 Wow, the one that got away.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Good question. Well, by the way,

Speaker 3 I know that this question was not self-serving. No, it was not.

Speaker 3 Barstall Van Torque was going to be a hit TV show.

Speaker 1 Oh, no way. Oh, okay.
All right. Good answer.
Good answer. It was going to be a hit TV show.

Speaker 3 And,

Speaker 3 you know, as I poured over the 18 to 34 demo results of that first episode, you know, that was a hit TV show.

Speaker 3 That was the one that got away.

Speaker 3 I don't think anything else, I mean, I've had some things that I would regard as as critical hits, like World Series of Pop Culture, I thought was one of the best, you know, quiz shows I ever made that didn't really work

Speaker 3 or didn't last beyond two years. ESPN's two-minute drill, you know, similar.
But, you know, I've been pretty fortunate.

Speaker 3 Most of the other stuff, you know, Comedians in Cars, Andy Cohen, you know, Who Wants to be a Millionaire? Win Benstein's Money, this stuff

Speaker 3 has worked. Jeopardy is the first time I've been given a show that I didn't have to sort of, you know, develop from scratch.
Yeah. I mean, Bastall Van Talk as well.
I was, I was given that show.

Speaker 3 You walked into my office and you, you gave me the chance to do that. But on the whole, we have to sort of develop everything from scratch.

Speaker 3 And so, you know, a lot goes wrong before it gets on the air.

Speaker 7 Jumping back to Van Talk real quickly, because we did work pretty closely on that show.

Speaker 7 And I still remember, in fact, we have video evidence of the second that me and Big Cat were informed that the show was getting canceled because I believe we were filming a scene and the cameras kept running.

Speaker 7 And by the way, thank God that the cameras were running because, you know, capturing a moment like that is, is just priceless. I'm glad that we have documentation of it.

Speaker 7 I'm curious to know, when did you find out that the show was getting kids? Did you find out before we got word or did you find out when Skipper released that statement?

Speaker 3 Do you know when you just were setting up that question, I was trying to remember like what happened. I have no memory.

Speaker 3 That's, you know, part of the fact of advancing age and the fact that, you know, I wasn't being shot at the same time. Was it me who called you?

Speaker 1 I doubt it was. No, it was Erica.
No. Erica called called.
Erica called us.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And that just shows it was a traumatic experience for you, too. Your mind has blocked that out.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I feel like I heard from ESPN, but I'm trying to remember who our executive at ESPN would have been on

Speaker 3 the show. Yeah.
And I think Erica probably was dealing with the ESPN folks and everything that was unfolding there more than I was.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I was in shock about it. I got to tell you, that is one of the, there's very little that's happened in my career that has really surprised me.

Speaker 3 That was a situation where I was just thoroughly surprised because it was just, the situation was just sort of spinning out of all of our control.

Speaker 3 We were just making a show and trying to like make it well. And there was a whole other situation going on that was like difficult to process.
I remember feeling absolutely terrible for you guys.

Speaker 3 I mean, you were just sort of.

Speaker 3 You were silent and stunned.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
It sucked in the moment. In the moment, there was no worse feeling.
And then we went out right afterwards.

Speaker 7 We walked out of NBC Row and we went down somewhere in the West Village and had some beers together.

Speaker 7 And somebody brought up the point: like, if you look at this from, if you zoom out a little bit and you realize that we worked so hard to get a show on ESPN.

Speaker 7 And, you know, growing up, I know, speaking for myself, I used to watch ESPN all the time. And Sports Center was a daily thing of mine that it was appointment television.

Speaker 7 And getting a show on ESPN, I thought at one time when I was a kid was like the ultimate goal of anybody in sports media.

Speaker 7 And then we work so hard we get there and then it's canceled after one episode. If you zoom out, that's very funny.
That was a very funny circumstance that we were put into.

Speaker 7 So if you kind of like look at it that way and you're able to appreciate how ridiculous the circumstance was, it's funny that it happened that way.

Speaker 7 And in retrospect, we can certainly look back and be like, yeah, that kind of rocks that we're there for. We're too, we're the bad boys and we're too hot for ESPN too.

Speaker 3 Well, also, yeah, it's added to the myth and the and the comedy that is your podcast and is the pardon my take brand. It's almost better for you.

Speaker 3 It's almost as though you fixed that to happen that you made it get canceled after one episode. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Some of our biggest successes are in our biggest failures.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 it is true, though, because it always, we were bummed in the moment. And I should say, too, Jake just sent us this tweet to our group text.

Speaker 1 You had our back, which we do appreciate.

Speaker 1 We never said thank you for, but after it all happened, you said there's no entity in the world of sports that can stop the pardon my take, guys, from becoming massive long-term.

Speaker 1 True talent always wins. So you treated that right after, which we did never thank you.

Speaker 1 So thank you because we were getting shit on by the entire world, and there were very few people who had our back, and you did in that moment.

Speaker 1 But in reality, like getting canceled in that way was actually, if we had done an entire season and they're like, the ratings suck, you guys suck, that feels so different. To have it be,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 a situation where it gets taken from us after one episode, we can kind of play the what-if forever. And we, in our minds, we can play it out as a success.
And who knows if it would have been or not?

Speaker 3 And how important is failure when it comes down to it?

Speaker 3 I know that everybody's been talking a lot about failure in sports after Giannis's comments, you know, after getting eliminated from the playoffs, but you know, failure is also really important.

Speaker 3 That's why I do think there is failure in sports because you need failure to inform success. How many great,

Speaker 3 you know, talents who we've worked with in this business have failed first before they've succeeded? And you need to sort of feel that. I just look back at my career.

Speaker 3 Regis Philbin was, you know, he's someone who failed spectacularly for decades before millionaire happened to him.

Speaker 3 And it, it, it made it so much sweeter for him, you know, and you know, I was talking with Kyle Brandt the other day from Good Morning Football, another one of

Speaker 3 our shows. And, you know, Kyle talks about like, you know, being on the real world and his career and like where it all goes before he ends up like becoming successful.
So you kind of need those,

Speaker 3 you know, it's almost like good to have it, even if you absolutely didn't deserve it. The great thing is there isn't a lot of great talent.
There aren't a lot of people who are really good.

Speaker 3 And so that's why I was very confident you're always going to succeed.

Speaker 1 Okay, so going off of that. One thing that I hate that successful people do is they basically ignore all the luck that comes in their career.

Speaker 1 Because we all like, we've had a million lucky bounces to say like, oh, yeah, it's just hard work. And we're just bet.
No, no, luck has a lot to do with where you get in life.

Speaker 1 Bounce here, bounce there. What would be your lucky break or the moment that you were like, oh, that worked out my way and that kind of propelled me to do other things?

Speaker 3 Well, moving to America would be like a major thing. I would never be successful in Britain.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 3 Just wouldn't have been. There was something about America that the environment like worked for me.
So I'd say moving to America was a massive part of it.

Speaker 3 And, you know, being a younger brother of an older brother who moved to America first and went into the entertainment business never helped me get a job in the entertainment business, but would showed me that I could, you know, I grew up wearing the same hammy downs as him.

Speaker 3 So I always thought that if, you know, I played tennis, he played tennis. I grew up in South London, he grew up in South London.
Oh, he's gone to Hollywood and he's become a successful screenwriter.

Speaker 3 I can certainly go out there and produce non-fiction television. Right.
So that was sort of the most overwhelming luck.

Speaker 1 That's a good answer.

Speaker 3 I got hired at Disney when I was 25 at a very good time, long before they bought ABC, bought ESPN.

Speaker 3 I got a job at a company that was growing. I was laughing.
The Rodge, my partner on Men in Blazers, who you know well, another friend of pardon my take.

Speaker 3 He just interviewed the guy who's come in to go and be the new head of US soccer. And he was talking about the search for the new manager to, you know, presumably replace Greg Berhalter.

Speaker 3 And he was saying that he's looking for a legacy manager on the way up. And everybody is like, oh, amazing, getting a manager on the way up.
What a great idea, rather than a manager on the way down.

Speaker 3 And we always,

Speaker 3 but I do think that there is something about joining a company that is in the process of growth.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I didn't know it at the time. I had no idea.

Speaker 3 I was taking the only available job to me working at Disney at that time, but joining a company that was about to grow incredibly, that was a very fortunate break as well.

Speaker 1 That's a great point because it is like even Barcelona for us, like the time that we started a podcast in the company we started it at, like all those things don't, they don't happen if they're not those lucky bounces in like right place, right time.

Speaker 1 Because the growth of a company is it's when everyone's got that energy and everyone's working really hard and it's, it, it becomes everyone's like passion in life.

Speaker 1 You can't really replicate it once you get to the top and you get to a big, big company and it's, it, things are more bureaucratic.

Speaker 3 yeah that's probably the simplest piece of career advice i i i give to younger people when they come to me is i said go into industries that are growing and try to join companies that are on the way up that are growing right you know yeah tough time to go into um

Speaker 7 cable television right now right yeah yes i i i was reading a story earlier that you you worked closely or you got to you got to know merv griffin a little bit as you were working alongside him i only know merv from having his name pop up and the logo pop up at the end of shows.

Speaker 7 I have no idea what kind of guy he was, what he was about, how hands-on he was with all these game shows and all these shows that he created and produced and brought along the way.

Speaker 3 What is Merv Griffin, the human being, like?

Speaker 7 And what can you tell us about

Speaker 7 how hands-on he was and developing all these legendary shows that he was a part of?

Speaker 3 It's a shame because you would have loved Merv Griffin. Number one, most important Merv Griffin fact.
He made his fortune. His big hit song was, um,

Speaker 3 I think it was called I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts, was his big hit song, which I feel like that sort of would play in the Barstall Van Talk sort of theme world.

Speaker 3 I sort of think it would be a nice little thing. I think you could, you could, you could sort of make a new version of that on your guitar, BFT.
But it's a, uh, he sort of made his fortune.

Speaker 3 Then he sort of ended up being a very successful talk show host, the Merv Griffin show.

Speaker 3 And, you know, he was both an entertainer, he knew the rap pack, he knew all those guys,

Speaker 3 and just

Speaker 3 then started creating TV shows.

Speaker 3 And him and his wife created Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune in the space of, you know, weeks and wrote the music, which still makes that family, you know, a lot of money to this day.

Speaker 3 And they created a show. And we watched the original pilot from 1964 recently.
And the pilot is almost identical to the show that we make today. Wow.

Speaker 3 It was just created from scratch, scratch, just perfectly.

Speaker 3 And Merv, I was lucky enough to work for him when I first moved to LA when I was about 24 years old.

Speaker 3 Worked on a couple of game shows for him, worked in development for him. And so going back to Jeopardy now is sort of full circle to sort of working for Merv early in my career.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's incredible.

Speaker 3 We even go to lunch at the, he used to own the Beverly Hilton Hotel. And we used to go to lunch and

Speaker 3 the waiter would come to the table and say, may I take your order, sir? And

Speaker 3 Merv would go, ooh, and he'd write something down in a notebook. And three weeks later, you'd watch Wheel of Fortune and the puzzle would come up and it would be, may I take your order, sir?

Speaker 3 He was still like writing. So everything that was said in his company ended up sort of getting on the show.

Speaker 1 That's kind of what we were saying about like, you know, having that passion where. Everything that you do, when you start a new project, everything you encounter becomes part of the programming.

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Speaker 1 You may not have a great answer for this, but I'm very curious. You've been so successful in the TV world.
Do you think you know what people want better than what they know what they want?

Speaker 1 Like the old Vince McMahon, like, I know what you want more than you know what you want. Like,

Speaker 1 I can script this. Don't tell me I'm wrong.
Like, do you know the psychology of Americans and what we want to watch on TV?

Speaker 1 And how much does that play into when you're building a TV show or taking a show like Jeopardy?

Speaker 3 I don't think I do at all.

Speaker 3 I think I focus on two. I do understand a lot about the history of American television.

Speaker 3 When I moved here and I wasn't American, I felt like I had to understand more about the history of American television than anybody else to even deserve to work in it.

Speaker 3 So I do understand television history. I understand where it's gone on.
Usually I ask myself two questions. One, do I really believe in the talent of the people I'm working with?

Speaker 3 And so, you know, hence, you know, when you see an Andy Cohen or Jimmy Kimmel or Katie Nolan or you guys, it's like, wow, this person is so talented. I have to work with them.

Speaker 3 I believe they have a preternatural ability to communicate, to look down the lens and communicate with the audience and have something to say. So I kind of feel like I know talent when I see it.

Speaker 3 And I usually know what I want to produce. But that's a long way away from

Speaker 3 thinking something was going to be a hit. Who wants to be a millionaire? I really, everybody says, oh, how did you know that was going to be a hit? I didn't know it was going to be a hit at all.

Speaker 3 In fact, I'd lined up a job for myself. You know, the first run was 13 days.
And I lined up a job for myself starting, you know, on the 14th day because I had no idea it was going to work.

Speaker 7 Can I give you just a little piece of advice? New game show, Who Wants to Be a Billionaire?

Speaker 3 Whoa.

Speaker 7 Just stepping up. Yeah, whoa is right.
That's the reaction that everybody would have.

Speaker 3 Jimmy Kimmel pitched me to do Who Wants to be a Millionaire, but it's with billionaires and they put up their billion on and when they lose, they end up going down to a million.

Speaker 1 Ooh, I like to watch that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'd watch that. I would also watch a show that was developed by a guy from England that is brand new to the United States, had never visited.

Speaker 7 And they had to create a TV show for Americans just based on what they thought of Americans. It's just all like light beer, fast food.

Speaker 1 Hamburgers. Music.
Yeah. Hamburgers.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 These fat slobs will love this show. I would watch that.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 My one of my friends in college who'd never been to America would write letters to me when I first moved out here and would always ask me, how are things in the land of hip hop and the hamburger?

Speaker 3 And that's really all he knew of the United States at that point.

Speaker 3 And phrases like, you look like a million bucks.

Speaker 1 I love when English people do the American accent. They're like, let's go have a cheeseburger.
We have troops here who does that. Burger.
Yeah, burger. Burger.

Speaker 7 I got a question about about jeopardy and the transition that it went through uh just a couple years ago

Speaker 7 do you get the sense that if aaron rogers had been offered the full-time job hosting jeopardy he would have taken it

Speaker 3 i mean that was before my time so i wasn't there um

Speaker 3 but i think that from all accounts he

Speaker 3 was and is so passionate about the program and had clearly when I watched his episodes he'd clearly studied I mean obviously he's a guy who can study a playbook, but he clearly had studied Alex Trebek and,

Speaker 3 you know, was really good at it. So I think he wanted the job.

Speaker 7 That would have saved you like a couple of years of consternation there, big cat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it would have been very nice if he had gotten out of my life.

Speaker 3 Yeah, what would have been your opinion?

Speaker 1 Oh, I was, I was, I was, I was like commenting on every single one of his posts for a year there, being like, hey, man, I know that like football hasn't been great to you.

Speaker 1 Like, Jeopardy is a great spot. Like, build your legacy.

Speaker 1 Like, look at Alex Trebek.

Speaker 3 He's a so that he wouldn't beat the Bears anymore? That was it. That was your sole focus?

Speaker 1 Totally selfish for me. Just didn't want him to be eating the Bears every single year.
So I'm happy now, though. It all worked out.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about some sports. Your soccer team sucks.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but they're entertaining.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's good. That's good.

Speaker 3 Well, no, not the team. Sorry.
The team up this is Chelsea Football Club.

Speaker 3 They're not entertaining, but their new owner has come in with a pledge to double the revenues and make it worth billions and billions of dollars and is doing that mainly by spending money.

Speaker 3 He's very good on the supply side, not so good on the demand side. And

Speaker 3 it's entertaining to watch them go down in flames.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so this season has been a failure. How do you feel going forward? Because it was, you know,

Speaker 1 for people who don't know, Chelsea had an owner, a Russian oligarch. Obviously, with the war in Ukraine, all their, like, they got frozen out.
He had to sell the team.

Speaker 1 You now have a new owner, an American owner, which I feel like American owners don't do great with English Premier League. I feel like that's...

Speaker 3 Well, they own so many teams at this point. I don't think you can say that anymore.
That's true.

Speaker 1 That's true. That is true.
They have basically half.

Speaker 3 They have pretty much every team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, like, what's the future of Chelsea looking like? Because Chelsea was, you know,

Speaker 1 you guys won, what, a couple in a row? Like, you were on. Chelsea have won more.

Speaker 3 Chelsea in the, as I say, in the Men and Blazers era, Chelsea have won more than almost anyone.

Speaker 3 So it's been good. We've won a couple of Champions Leagues, won a bunch of Premier League titles, a bunch of other trophies.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, Chelsea do have this habit of either being brilliant and winning it all or being horrible and finishing mid-table.

Speaker 3 This year, they look to even finish, they look like they're going to finish lower than mid-table, and they've been terrible. They don't actually score goals.

Speaker 3 I mean, soccer, you know, for many Americans is low scoring at the best of times. We were talking about this on the podcast today, Roger and I.

Speaker 3 Chelsea just had their goal of the month award for April. Chelsea scored one goal in April.
So their goal of the month was literally their goal of the month.

Speaker 3 And it was scored on a deflection from Connor Gallagher in a game that they lost, of course. So yeah, it's been an absolutely terrible season.

Speaker 3 On the other side, we have bought almost every young player in world football and signed them to massive long-term contracts.

Speaker 3 So many players that I think we got more than 30 players in the first team. They couldn't fit them all in the dressing room.
They couldn't fit them in the locker room.

Speaker 3 And it's just been chaos behind the scenes. I sort of think with that amount of money, they will work it out and they will get better.

Speaker 3 But, you know, the Premier League has become intensely competitive.

Speaker 3 You know, I don't know where your football loyalties are lying these days. I know that Dave has become a Tottenham fan, which is just,

Speaker 3 which is, I mean, it's shocking in so many ways.

Speaker 1 Yes. He did not know the history of Tottenham when he joined up with Liverpool.

Speaker 3 clearly i watched his video from this morning after their uh 4-3 loss uh to liverpool and i think that was the whole theme of the videos nobody told him that it was going to be like this um

Speaker 3 so um

Speaker 3 so yeah it's tough i mean for most of the teams in the premier league it is just a disaster my poor partner in pod roger has the game going on right now everton uh against leicester and the team that lose this game are likely to be relegated and may never ever get back into the premier league Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah. How does how does that work? If you, if you are born and raised in England and you've got a team that's in the championship, that's the second division.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And you're a fan of that team. Are you also a supporter of a team that's in the EPL? Do they have split allegiances?

Speaker 3 Yeah, very often. I mean, when I was

Speaker 3 When I left Britain in 1989, Chelsea were in the second division, the old, what was the championship, was the second division.

Speaker 3 And I would just cheer for any English team if they they made it into Europe, if they made it into European competition.

Speaker 3 But there, yeah, there are lots of complicated things. I'm from South London.
I come from near closer to Crystal Palace. A great friend of mine ended up buying Crystal Palace football club.

Speaker 3 So I sort of have two Premier League clubs.

Speaker 3 Plus, today I was very happy. Plymouth Argyle, owned by another American, promoted from League One to the championship

Speaker 3 and sort of always had a soft spot for Plymouth Argyle my whole life as well.

Speaker 1 That's a great team name.

Speaker 3 Oh, Argyle. I said said on the pod today, we see so many SCs, sporting SCs and FCs in America.
Why have we not seen an Argyle?

Speaker 3 Argyle? Rodge said maybe Phoenix Argyle. That's quite a good team name.

Speaker 7 It should be North Carolina. It should be North Carolina.
You should have a team so they can match the UNC colors.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's good. Yeah.
Yeah, Argyle. I did help name Hartford Athletic.

Speaker 3 because Charlton Athletic is a big team in South London. And a friend of mine brought Hartford, the USL team, and I told him, called them Hartford Athletic.

Speaker 3 And I think that's a more exotic team name in the US. But an Argyle would really be good strong.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I like to mess with our guy Troops here, who's a massive Arsenal fan. And I tell him that West Ham is my team that I support in the EPL.
And then in the FA Cup, I'm an Arsenal fan.

Speaker 7 And then in the Champions League,

Speaker 7 that's when I root for Man City in the Champions League. So it depends on the tournament entirely.

Speaker 3 That's excellent.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I'm still stuck with that.

Speaker 3 Probably not enjoying his end of season with Arsenal this year.

Speaker 1 No, no. And I'm still stuck with Swansea, who may never get back up.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Was that, I can't remember. I know you're an owner.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I am an owner. I am an owner.

Speaker 3 Yeah. You are an owner.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 But there was that moment where, you know, the great Bob Bradley went over there and coached Swansea. I'm sure like fomented your American interest in the team.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think I've told you this before, but it makes me... Like, probably every, I don't know, like eight months,

Speaker 1 I'll start getting tweets out of nowhere about Swansea. And I'll be like, what's going on?

Speaker 1 And then I'll look into it and it'll be like some message board will be like, you know, Liverpool has LeBron and we got this fat podcaster like that no one knows. And it's like, I,

Speaker 1 when I tell you I own 0.0000000001%, I think that's actually overestimating it. So they think I have control of anything.
I do not. I would like them to go back up, but it's hard.

Speaker 1 It does feel like the entire English soccer has gotten so, so good and so, so competitive.

Speaker 3 Do you sort of feel sometimes that you showed Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney the way to go

Speaker 3 with Wrexham? You led them into Wales. Yes.
And all of their success is really because of your trailblazing work with Swansea.

Speaker 1 I think so. And I think Mindy Kaling might own some of Swansea.
She gets a lot of shit, too.

Speaker 1 It hasn't gone great. I'll say it right now.
It hasn't gone great. So I hope they come back up.

Speaker 1 Are we going to get a Super League in soccer? Because we're pro Super League as a podcast. Oh, you are?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Great.
That must be a really popular view

Speaker 3 amongst your fans of the Premier League, your English audience.

Speaker 1 Oh, you know, you throw the name Super League.

Speaker 3 Yeah. We just like Super League sounds great.

Speaker 1 Great name.

Speaker 1 It's the Super League. Like, there's nothing better than the Super League.
And you obviously know us very well. Yeah, it's

Speaker 1 part of the Marvel universe. Right.
And if we can find an angle to piss off the most people,

Speaker 1 like, you know, fly into a debate and decide that we're really strongly argue for one side that will make everyone mad. Super League.
I mean, there's nothing better than it's literally in the name.

Speaker 3 It's the Super League. Quick side note.

Speaker 3 Jara Piquet was a great

Speaker 3 great Spanish footballer, mostly known for, I think, being in a relationship with Shakira, but he started something called the Kings League. And in the Kings League,

Speaker 3 they have a mystery player who comes on

Speaker 3 blindfolded or with a sort of a mask on, who you don't know who it is, but it's meant to be a famous Spanish player who's not meant to be playing in the Kings League, but plays in the Kings League.

Speaker 3 See, for me, the Super League needed

Speaker 3 more ideas like that. It needed ideas that would bust the old idea

Speaker 3 of soccer.

Speaker 3 They should have played it under different rules. There should have been fighting allowed.
There should have been...

Speaker 3 You know, I love those videos when you see from Japan where you see like three Japanese football professionals playing against 100 Japanese schoolchildren.

Speaker 3 I think that would have been great Super League action. There should have been a team just with 100 Japanese school children going against the teams.
Then

Speaker 3 I'd have been more into it.

Speaker 7 What they should have done, they should have had the players wear helmets, and then you all have to line up across from each other. And then you can also have a forward pass.

Speaker 7 And it's kind of like there's a rugby pry zone, but those are worth six points.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And then you can kick for the extra point. That would have been a good thing.

Speaker 3 And what would you call that? What would you call that game?

Speaker 7 Oh, it's called football. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh, football.

Speaker 7 Yeah. It's still called football.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, yeah we're not changing the name we're not reinventing do you know why by the way football is called football

Speaker 3 because it's the best game ever i don't know yeah no it's because sports in the 19th century were only played by gentlemen and they were only played by gentlemen on horseback so there was falconry and and and equestrian sports and polo and when they would ride back from their polo match and they'd ride back across the countryside they would only join cavalry regiments where they could ride horses they would ride back from their polo matches or from their cavalry outings and they would look down from upon their horses on the peasants running or kicking a pigskin bladder around the little villages, and they would call those sneeringly football, games played by men on foot, infantrymen.

Speaker 3 So all games of football, I think what you're trying to say, PFT, is all games of football are somewhat related because they are working-class peasant games that are sneered upon by the gentry.

Speaker 7 That's exactly what I was getting at. Yeah, you said it more eloquently than I did, but that's what I was getting at.

Speaker 7 Also, the Super League, if they really wanted to keep the game, just, you know, okay, we'll keep it like soccer, but just make the goals worth more. That way, it's got the illusion.

Speaker 7 So it's like three points for a goal.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Wow.
That's great. Chelsea then would have,

Speaker 3 Chelsea would have had six points this season

Speaker 3 instead of just one.

Speaker 1 Huge. So wait, so wait, is the Super League going to happen? Because it does feel a little similar to live golf, where it's like we heard the rumblings.
Everyone's like, no, it's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 It's not going to happen. Then it happened.

Speaker 1 I just just can't believe that these guys that have more money than God had an idea, got it shot down, and they're like, oh yeah, we'll listen to the people. We won't do this again.

Speaker 3 I mean, the math, the equation is difficult because you're right. On the one side, you've got sovereign wealth, nation states, and hedge funds owning all of the teams.

Speaker 3 And they don't like the pyramid of football where you can get relegated and go out of it. So that's the one side.

Speaker 3 So wealth wanting more money, they want to have a super league of the biggest teams in Europe and the world playing against each other in the biggest markets, including America.

Speaker 3 And on the other side, you have FIFA and UEFA,

Speaker 3 two almost James Bond villain-like global organizations that exist to control football worldwide and keep it in its individual regions.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 ultimately,

Speaker 3 who is more corrupt? I think is, and that's difficult. And

Speaker 3 on a weekly basis, I can argue one side of that equation is more corrupt and more powerful than the other side of the equation what gets lost in the middle is unfortunately and always the sports fan right um but look if there were a super league um it would destroy the fabric of football and yet it would still be pretty good that so those unfortunately the moral arguments you keep on having to go to when you watch sport qatar was an absolutely terrible place to have a world cup they never should have got a world cup did i watch yes was it pretty good yes it was pretty good yeah that's that So we're, we, just, just to pull the curtain back, we are not actually pro Super League.

Speaker 1 We, we like the way it works because fans, like the, the idea that there's relegation and promotion and these stories that you get are so fantastic.

Speaker 1 And it's what the climb of being a sports fan and why you put in all those hours, that's like, it's the beauty of the sport.

Speaker 1 So we don't want the Super League, but we also, as sports fans, know if there was a Super League game on, we'd watch it.

Speaker 1 And that, unfortunately, is like our Achilles heel that I think these super powerful, rich guys know that if they put the two best teams on a Wednesday night, the whole world's going to watch.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And that's sort of what happens and the market changes for sport.

Speaker 3 And I think over the last, you know, 10, 20 years, since this, certainly since the evolution of the internet and, you know, high standards and training, all these things, the world has got smaller and we're all watching the same sports.

Speaker 3 Like it was inconceivable, I'm sure, to you too, that you would be even knowing what's happening in the Premier League, having a boss that's like making videos about the Premier League.

Speaker 3 Like, it's a, it's, it's, it's a really odd thing. The world is getting smaller.
The sports world is getting smaller. Everybody wants to watch the same things.

Speaker 3 They want to watch the best in the world. And yes, it will continue.
And while there's huge amounts of money in the sport, the free market will march inexorably on.

Speaker 3 But then there's FIFA and UEFA who control everything who are going to who are going to try to make it very difficult.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So I kind of know the story about why the Super League didn't end up happening this most recent time, but I think that there's a big difference between European sports fans and American sports fans in terms of how they react to a situation like that.

Speaker 7 So if a team, if an NFL team moves, the city, they fight to keep it best that they can, but there's no massive public demonstration or outrage or anything like that.

Speaker 7 In Europe, the fans were very vocal and held giant demonstrations that somewhat. swayed what the future of the sport was going to look like.

Speaker 7 What do you think the difference is between European sports fans, or I guess just English sports fans in general and American sports fans?

Speaker 3 I mean, look, I think one of the things is, honestly, you have to understand, and only when, when you go to Europe, do you realize how small it is.

Speaker 3 And one of the big things we hear from American Premier League fans who go over and

Speaker 3 watch these teams play is they cannot believe how the stadiums are literally built into little

Speaker 3 you know, little parts of the city, literally surrounded by terraced housing on every single size.

Speaker 3 And I know that there are, you know, there are American sports teams who find themselves in downtown locations, but these sports teams are literally in the middle of neighborhoods is where they've put these teams.

Speaker 3 They're not built on the outskirts of town with decent parking and a and a, you know, a Bojangles chicken, you know, in the, just through the turnstiles. They are literally sitting in community.

Speaker 3 They are community clubs who over the course of you know, more than 100 years have become in the Premier League or elite sides.

Speaker 3 So I think the communities, as there's been this globalization and as the whole game has changed and the TV rights internationally are worth so much and these teams have fans all over the world, I think people in the communities feel a great dissonance with how they follow their teams.

Speaker 3 Look, Manchester United are good again this season.

Speaker 3 They are winning and literally have protests at every single one of their games against their American owners, even as they have found a way to get back and win games.

Speaker 3 I mean, the light aircraft rental industry around Premier League football games, the number of people who rent light aircraft and fly them over games with banners.

Speaker 3 It's been very good for the light aircraft banner towing industry, the number of protests that are held by fans.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So Michael Davies, this has been awesome.
I have one last question. Everyone go watch Jeopardy Masters coming out May 8th.
Very excited.

Speaker 1 I mean, we actually had James James, Jeopardy James on the show, so I'm going to be rooting for him.

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Speaker 1 uh who wants to be a millionaire the famous first time that a guy won it and he called his dad and was like

Speaker 1 yeah he so for people who don't know who wants to be a millionaire was a absolute hit like everyone in america was watching it yeah

Speaker 1 someone finally gets there he gets to the last question he calls his dad and instead of asking for a lifeline of you know and help on the question he's like, I'm about to win a million dollars.

Speaker 1 Like, I know the answer. When you're watching that live, are you just like fist pumping in the

Speaker 1 truck being like, this is the greatest moment of television that I've ever produced?

Speaker 3 It's really worth it. The YouTube clip of John Carpenter winning a million is outstanding.

Speaker 3 It was one of the greatest game show flexes of all time, like literally pointing to the outfield, calling his dad to tell him he's about to win a million dollars.

Speaker 3 In reality, what was going on in the control room as that moment was happening is I was trying to figure out, because I thought there was a chance that he was going to win,

Speaker 3 I was trying to figure out what Regis Philbin was going to say when he won.

Speaker 3 And, you know, Regis didn't wear an earpiece. He didn't take any cues from cue cards.

Speaker 3 He had a messaging system in front of him on the computer that I could send him a message that he would occasionally read.

Speaker 3 And I knew that this moment when John Carpenter won a million would be shown all around the world because there's no, nobody had reached the question 15, the level 15 on the show.

Speaker 3 And it was, it had exploded in like 15 countries by that point. And so I knew I had to have Regis say something.

Speaker 3 And of course, we'd rehearsed every single thing on the show, but I hadn't rehearsed the moment that somebody wins a million dollars.

Speaker 3 And so I was desperately trying to figure out a way to get Regis how to say.

Speaker 3 a line and figure out what the line should be. And Dennis McMahon, who was our runner at the time, was literally sweeping the control room.

Speaker 3 As I said, what is the greatest line line in the history of sports that i can have regis say because i knew what it would be in in britain but in america i didn't know and he said oh the shot heard around the world and i said i thought that was the beginning of world war one or the civil war he goes no

Speaker 1 it was a revolution joke he was making a joke yeah yeah no

Speaker 3 so uh no yeah So it's a, so I said, shot heard around the world. So I literally wrote into the computer the final answer heard all around the world.

Speaker 3 I wrote it in caps and flashed it at Regis and had my producer, Vinny Rubino, hold it in the side and try and send it to Regis. So I was just waiting to figure out if Regis would say that line.

Speaker 3 And amazingly, he never looked at the screen. When, if you watch the tape on YouTube, you see Regis leaning back, going, wow.

Speaker 3 And then suddenly, a flashing screen, you can actually see it almost reflected in his eyes. And he takes the line and he actually said it.
And it was, yeah, that was a phenomenal TV.

Speaker 3 That was the super league of game show moments right there.

Speaker 1 It really was. It was a fantastic, fantastic moment.
And I do think,

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 with streaming and everything, some of that TV that everyone is watching this one show and you know everyone's watching it has been lost a little bit in culture.

Speaker 1 And that might have been one of the last moments.

Speaker 3 So right. That was probably about 35 million people watching that episode.

Speaker 3 And it's weird.

Speaker 3 I mean, not to sort of turn this into a Jeopardy plug, but one thing that's been amazing about Coming Back to Jeopardy is that the only show on television that outrates Jeopardy is the NFL. Wow.

Speaker 3 There's the NFL, then Jeopardy, then every drama, every new show, every comedy, everything else. And Jeopardy still has those moments.
And especially when you're watching the great ones play,

Speaker 3 that's still big broadcast television. And, you know, all that's left is sports and Jeopardy, really, for me on TV.

Speaker 1 There's nothing else.

Speaker 3 And you guys.

Speaker 3 Too much. Healthy debate.

Speaker 1 Healthy debate. Healthy debate.
Well, thank you so much, Michael. We appreciate it.
Good luck with the show. And always great catching up with you.

Speaker 3 So happy for you guys. Speak to you later.

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Speaker 1 Okay, good show, boys. Hank, you golfed on Friday.

Speaker 2 I did.

Speaker 1 How'd you do?

Speaker 2 I played well. It was a great time.
Shout out to Yance brought me out. One of the funner bronze golf I've ever played.

Speaker 1 He sent us a great video of Hank hard at work on Friday, just driving like a mini motorcycle. It looks so much fun.
All like down a golf fairway.

Speaker 1 PFT and I are going to go down there and play around with Keith Andu. You're not invited.

Speaker 2 That's rude, but

Speaker 1 there, I guess.

Speaker 1 You got yours in. We had to get back and work, and you got to.

Speaker 2 I was down there there working. F1, entertaining clients.
Game time activation.

Speaker 1 Hey, what happened on game three when

Speaker 1 did Max leave the bar? You guys were, it was confusing. What happened?

Speaker 2 We were at a bar, got some

Speaker 2 incorrect information that the bar would have sound. It did have sound, but it was club music.
Oh.

Speaker 2 And the game ended, and I was looking for Max, and he was nowhere to be found for like an hour.

Speaker 1 Hour is a stretch. Yeah.
And that I left the bar because I got a text from Big Cat that said, I need to stay to the union for Mac. So I have to go do the video.
Also, Hank.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go show my job. After tonight's game ended, you just left for a long time.
I didn't say a word.

Speaker 2 Big Cat said, don't talk. That's true.
I did. Left.

Speaker 1 And didn't save for the show. Took a walk.
Took a walk. We never even talked about the fact that Joel Mbi

Speaker 1 put Grant Williams' face through the center of the earth. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, they had him mic'd up after, though, and Grant Williams was like, it's all good. Like, that's good sportsmanship.

Speaker 1 It was the one time, like, a lot of these are not accidents, especially when it's dream on green. But that one did feel accidental.

Speaker 2 Like, he didn't know that his face was right there. And he didn't really step down.
It was like his head kind of pushed his head down.

Speaker 1 But the screenshot is the worst. Yeah, worst ever.
It's a bad visual. It's a bad visual.
But

Speaker 1 I think Brent Williams even said after the fact, like, yeah, I kind of got curb stomped. Yeah.
But at the same time, I could feel him let up with his foot because he realized he was stepping on.

Speaker 1 He was stepping on human head. It was the nicest curb stomping of all time.
A gentleman's curb stomping. It's going to be a weird feeling when you

Speaker 1 try to step down and there's a human head under your foot. Yeah.
And it crunches. Oh, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 1 Human head. Yes, it was like Phil Leotardo.
You wouldn't get that, Hank. Phil Leotardo got killed at the end of the Sopranos.
He got run over by a car, right? In like slow motion. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like a second to last episode, something like that.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 We'll talk off the record. No,

Speaker 1 nothing's off the record here.

Speaker 2 It's a future.

Speaker 2 ad deal thing we're going to be doing.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, we could do that. You're right.

Speaker 2 I had a conversation about it last week that I hadn't filled you in on.

Speaker 1 That would be funny, and I think rewatching Sopranos, maybe. That would be fun.
I'm so in.

Speaker 1 I'm so in.

Speaker 1 Sopranos, maybe the greatest show of all. I can't wait till we get to the part.

Speaker 1 You know what? I'm not going to do it for you because we're going to re-watch it. I'm not going to say it.
We can see. I've actually never watched it.
Okay. I've just seen Chris.

Speaker 1 Billy, you would like it. I know.
Never seen it either. Really? Really? God.

Speaker 1 There's this one scene.

Speaker 1 I think it's last episode in the train station or they they go to a toy train shop probably bakla yeah and then oh he was out of game i called really he's dead he got shot in a train yeah how do you go to the train store he's been dead for fucking 15 years

Speaker 1 spoiler yeah that's that's a bit i knew that bit i knew that bit i've actually never watched it but i know all the serious plot twists because they've just been spoiled because i listened to this show for man yeah when when tony just like covers up christopher's nose that's what i want to do that was

Speaker 1 i want to do that to billy so much yeah um okay just reach over and just well you've got a a deviated septum. You basically do it to yourself.
That's true. Yeah.
Just put one tissue on.

Speaker 1 Like a bulldog. Yeah.
With a tennis ball in his mouth.

Speaker 1 Max would hate you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Max, you

Speaker 1 that we're not. That was bullshit.
You don't like dogs. I love dogs.
How many times do you have to talk about dogs?

Speaker 2 Brody Smith was in the YouTube chat of the sports book stream today, and Max was like, shout out, I love all Brodies.

Speaker 1 But that's false. Yeah, that is false.
Max, what's your favorite dog? Black Lab.

Speaker 1 A lot of bulldogs on the Eagles.

Speaker 1 That's true. Sure.
That's all fabs. Yeah.
Ugh. You should have said Ugga.
Ugh. Did Memes do the meme that was Brody's thought bubble? Being like, he woke up next to me and he won't even pet me?

Speaker 1 That was funny. Shout out, memes.

Speaker 1 Shout out, memes. All right.
You also did

Speaker 1 something with the Sixers, and the girl says, Who are you?

Speaker 1 And Max had his sleepwalking story.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Hank, have you ever gotten this? Nope.

Speaker 2 Got a lot of recommendations, though. I'll tell you that much this weekend.
69.

Speaker 1 Whoa. I think that was PLT.

Speaker 1 No, I think Hank got me.

Speaker 1 Hank has informed me that he has officially committed to 17 forever. So let's hope he gets it every time.
Check the audio on you. You and Epstein.

Speaker 2 Yep, that's me.

Speaker 1 Oh, you sure? Yeah. All right, I'll go six.
Yeah, no, Hank got me. All right.
I'll admit it. I'll go six.
We got to get, we got a 99. We got to block him.
Start blocking them. 99.
What?

Speaker 1 I can't have you get it on 17. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that would actually kill me. Knowing you're not.

Speaker 2 I root for everyone to get it every day. False.

Speaker 1 Fact to fiction. No, you do not.
You never root for anyone because you want to get it.

Speaker 2 No, I'm for the boys. I want everyone to be happy.

Speaker 1 Not everybody. A bigger lie has never been told in the history of part of my take.
Oh, maybe. You know what? If that's the case, then we should get double numbers.
So PFT and Hank both have 17.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah, do you want...

Speaker 1 You want me to get it, though, right?

Speaker 1 So good if you.

Speaker 1 Hank, you're rooting for the boys. Hank got it, but he only got a half.
I'll be rooting for you. You're rooting for me.
17 all

Speaker 1 around to 17.

Speaker 1 All right. 99, PFT? Yeah, if Hank won't let me share 17.
All right.

Speaker 1 Six.

Speaker 1 Billy's 69. Jake, 18.
Yep. 69,

Speaker 1 20. This would be awesome if you have a 15.
You want to do 76 for 76?

Speaker 1 Nah, 20.

Speaker 1 69 is so do.

Speaker 1 62. Back to back.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 Well, no. Friday show? Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jack Madden. Damn.
That is.

Speaker 1 Tied for the lead.

Speaker 1 You could have. Tied for the lead.
You could have. You could have easily.
62's tied for the lead? Yeah, 47, 50, 52, 62, 64. Five ways.
I might have to start doing that. How many do you do? 62?

Speaker 1 Nine each. Nine each.
Damn. I'm going to have to start doing 62.
They've got nine. It's so easy just to do it.

Speaker 1 Hank, if you had picked 62 every time, you'd have nine wins. Nine.

Speaker 1 But instead, you haven't, so you have zero. Has 17 ever been? There's no worse, whatever.
How many times has 17 been picked? 17, four times. Most recently.

Speaker 1 That's amazing.

Speaker 1 Most recently, March 28th, 2021. Oh, it's been a long time.
Long time. No fucking shit.
Yeah. Two out of three shows.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 November 5th, 2020, February 18th, 2021, February 23rd, 2021. And then March 28th, 2021.
So three in that one-month stretch. And then, yeah, it's this doesn't count.
It's cold street.

Speaker 1 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 William?

Speaker 1 Google powder pigeons.

Speaker 1 Just look up powder pigeons. It's the funniest thing ever.
That is a fucked up pigeon. Yeah, if I saw that pigeon, I would kick it.

Speaker 1 If I saw it walking down the street, I would kick that pigeon on site.

Speaker 1 Look at us now.

Speaker 1 So in love with the way we are.

Speaker 1 I'm coming for your love of gay.

Speaker 1 Saturday lessons ain't.

Speaker 1 They lock us to sleep.

Speaker 1 Digital family.

Speaker 1 Might be somewhere else with you?

Speaker 1 Or is it true?

Speaker 1 Can you believe it?

Speaker 1 Stay on me.

Speaker 1 Can you hear the sleep?

Speaker 1 Stay on to me.

Speaker 1 Look at us now. So we love not the way we are.

Speaker 1 from the world

Speaker 1 Things that they say

Speaker 1 Just fade up by the reason why

Speaker 1 You are things I could just remember You shine away away.

Speaker 1 Love you anyway,

Speaker 1 shine away.

Speaker 1 Love you anyway. Take

Speaker 1 on me.

Speaker 1 Take on me.

Speaker 1 Take on me. I'll let you go.

Speaker 1 Take on me.

Speaker 1 Take on me. I'll let

Speaker 1 you go.

Speaker 1 Take on me.

Speaker 1 to feel

Speaker 1 the deal.