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Welcome to Part of My Take. Today is Monday, May 8th, and the Philadelphia 76ers and Boston Celtics are tied 2-2.

Best of three now.

Best of three after an incredibly entertaining game four.

Up and down.

You guys, Max and Hank, watched it together in the gambling cave.

Told them to save all their takes for after so that we could have it on the show fresh. It looks like they've simmered down a little.
I'll start with one. Hank's got bad body language throughout the entire game.
I'm wondering if that has anything to do with the Celtics' performance. He's got a bad scowl on his face.
He's got bad body language. Hank is the first with the most insulting looks that he serves after a win.
And then after a loss, his face just does what the rest of his body does, which is he just goes radio silent. He won't address it.
Yes. But Hank, you looked like you were going through it at the end.
There was actually a very funny screenshot of Hank right after the game was over when he, he tipped his head back and then he put his hat on his face. So it looked like his entire neck and chin was his face.
A little preview camera. Yeah.
But I, listen, just you know from from the outside looking in max is the winner today so we get to congratulate max we get to pile on hank this is how this series is gone this is what i wanted from this series hank i thought your body language in the gambling cave watching it was bad and i think the celtics feed off that what does that mean? It means exactly what I said. Your body language

was bad. Objection.
I was nervous.

It was a close game. I was nervous.
That's how I

get. I watch games.
I

cover my ears for whatever reason. I get nervous.

Yeah. I also

was distracted. Max

was freaking out so bad

about the Jason Tatum

non-offensive foul call

and he basically had a heart attack and he was sitting down next to, and he was breathing like a 10-year-old pug. And I was – Pugs don't live that long.
I know. Actually, no, pugs do live long.
I was thinking of Bulldogs. I was laughing at that, and it felt like the Celtics had it in control, and then all of a sudden they double teamed on the NB drive, even though Al Horford was playing great defense on him all game.
Yeah, that was – And then they didn't call a timeout. That was a very strange – You needed Brad Stevens.
There was a few end-of-the-game strange decisions. End of regulation, I know that you disagree because you responded to me.
I thought Jason Tatum should have taken that shot instead of – I know Marcus Smart was wide open, but if you ask the 76ers who they want to take a last shot, it's got to be Marcus Smart. He's got to be the only guy on the floor that they're okay giving a last shot to.
Jason Tatum drove, I think Tobias Harris. Like, Embiid couldn't jump for the fourth quarter.
He looked so gassed. And then you get to the final sequence in the OT.
I don't understand what they were doing when they didn't have. I know that it looked like they switched.
They had Marcus Smart on Embiid. They switched.
Tatum was on Embiid. And then Jalen Brown came and helped and left Harden wide open in the corner.
Jalen Brown did say afterwards, that was my fuck up. I shouldn't have done that.
that that was just boneheaded basketball because you left the one guy open who you didn't want to leave open who had 45 points you have 45 points i'm not sure how many he had exactly he was insane he was really good tonight and it's like back and forth back and forth to james hard which one you're going to get he's going to be tired for the next game no you should sit him yes i i'm a big believer and if james harden scores more than 30 points in a play game, you should sit him in the next game. Give him a nice little sit.
And then it's back to Philly, right? It's 1-1-1. Yeah.
At this point. So bring him back in that game.
And then I'm sure that James Harden will be great in game seven, like he always is. Yes.
He throws it out. Yeah.
So it was weird. I actually don't have a problem with a no timeout call at the end of the game.
Because if it works out in the celtics favor everybody's like that was a great call by missoulo not calling a timeout right there because you don't want the defense to get set up yep what well i was gonna say i they made a shot though like if if they miss the shot and it's off a rebound i agree no run it up and but they made a shot no that's when you should call a timeout i i know i'm just saying like i don't i don't hate the lack of time out there because it can help the defense too yeah to get things set up so i i didn't mind that as much max had i i would say that this game came down to one very simple fact and that is that max outperformed hank tonight on the yeah no hank absolutely absolutely out before hank looked like joel and bead going at al horford and he was shook he was shooketh tonight to go at Big Al. But Max brought the noise on the stream.
I thought several times that Max was either going to have a heart attack or destroy the television, and I did give Max permission in a Game 7. If it's Game 7, it's a heartbreaking ending.
I gave Max full permission to break a television because he was in a battle with the TV. He wanted to fight the television so hard.

You know that you were, Max.

You were getting all up in his face.

Yeah, let's hear from you, Max.

No, I was.

I'm not proud of what I did after the Jason Tatum non-push-off.

Well, it was a push-off.

It was a bad push-off.

It definitely was.

No, it was.

The only thing I'm concerned about is for your health,

because I think your blood pressure was 400 over 400.

No, it was high.

It was high.

I couldn't even really celebrate the Harden 3 because I was still recovering from my anger of the Jason Tatum push-off. Which had happened probably 10 minutes in real life before.
Yeah, no. I was sitting there and I was kind of having an internal moment with myself and I was like, you gotta actually relax.
No. No.
No. Max, you got this win.
That was all you, Max. You actually put your life on the line, whereas Hank just sat there pouting.
That's the difference between winning and losing. Shut the fuck up.
What does that have to do with anything? Bad body language. I'm telling you what I.
That's my opinion. Can't have opinions on part of my tape.
I didn't even see it. Hank, when you guys took the lead for the first time since the first quarter, when you guys took that lead at the end of the game, this is the fucking lights are on.
You didn't even give a double fist bump. That's not true.
I was going nuts. I was dapping up Donnie.
Like, I don't. This is gaslighting at its finest.
You guys are doing your thing. It is what it is.
At the end of the day, sitting in a game with Cave is not going to affect the game so like well i disagree uh outside of your bad body language which i think we can all agree is a fact what did you see with the end of the game in terms of end of regulation end of uh overtime i had i had no problem with the end of regulation but it was a wide open look you expect an nba player to be able to hit that shot that's i would rather i know you would say the Sixers would rather have Marcus Smart take that shot but I would rather have an open look by any player on the floor than you know a contested shot in the lane I think especially with Jason Jason Tatum had food poisoning the city of Philadelphia pulled their biggest scum move to date wait is that a fact or are you just going off the one tweet I saw you I said I before the game I said to me and I was driving and he's like Jason Tatum has food poisoning and then we got there and I didn't have time to do any of my own research I didn't have any time to do my own research and I watched the game and he didn't score any points in the first quarter so I was like confirmed Jason Tatum definitely had food poison I think on that one I think I think he definitely had he got he got fixed at halftime I said Max word on the street Jason Tatum may food poisoning. And then I followed up right away, and by word on the street, I saw one tweet.

I was driving.

I literally saw the food poisoning tweet, and that was it.

That's a good sports sound.

In the first half, it did look like food poisoning.

And the line moved.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's what Philly does, man.

He had some bad water.

He did look like food poisoning the first half.

Second half, he was phenomenal.

So that was all-time scum move by Philly. Not surprising.
That would go to any lengths to win, I guess. No problem with the end of regulation.
End of overtime. They waited way too long to get that play going.
The fact that they didn't get a shot off, and they also were just dribbling at the top of the key for like 10 seconds, it's kind of infuriating. And going back to the last time we talked about the Celtics on this show, not game three, but game two.
Or no, game, I forget. Game three, Jason Tatum did alpha at the end of that game.
There was that game. In game three, the Sixers kind of closed the deficit towards the end, and it was like, whoa, this game's getting a little weird.
And then Jason Tatum, I think, scored eight straight points. It was like, that's what the best player on the court does.
And he is the best player. He's better than Joel Embiid.
I'm sorry. Like, in playoffs, Max, Joel Embiid, he had a very good game.
But the fourth quarter, he looked like the most gassed person in the world. I thought Al Horford played great defense.
How did Jason Tatum look in the first half? Okay, he was dealing with food poisoning. Like, you go through stretches.
Listen. He gets zero points in the first half.
Joel Embiid. No, that's false.
That fourth quarter, Al Horford just, like, bodying him, that was not great. And then what happened in overtime? It's frustrating to waste that, though.
That's where it's like, that's a game that would have broken the Sixers. So, Hank, you said going into today's game that it was a must win, right? Correct? Fact? Every game in the playoffs was a must win.
But you didn't win your must win. So what happens because you lost a must win? Game five is now a muster win.
Must win. Muster win.
And then you said the next game is mustest. They lose game five, then game six is the mustest of all mustest.
What about elimination game? What are we calling that? That's a win or go home. Yeah.
Okay. Let's do or die.
You have no problem with Joe Embiid getting gassed for the 100th playoffs in a row? No, I don't think he was. This is even worse.
I don't think he was gassed. I think that he got a little bit scared of the moment.
Yeah, he was scared. There was that one sequence where Joe Embiid and Tobias Harris played hot potato, and then Tobias Harris airballed the shot, and P.J.
Tucker, like dog, got the rebound and won. That's what I was going to say.
MVP of the game is P.J. Tucker with a minute to go going up into Embiid's face and chewing him out.
Right. Yeah, he was hyping him up.
But then in overtime, Embiid was back. Because look.
Embiid was great in overtime. The thing is, people will say, like, I'm being too hard on Tatum or being too hard on Embiid.
But this is what the playoffs are. Like, the playoffs, when you get to these moments, are your best player has to be the best player on the court.
There was that moment in the game in the end of the fourth quarter when the lead was shrinking and shrinking and shrinking. And you're looking and you're like, Joel Embiid, you're the MVP.
This is the time when you stop this run and you take over the game. And it didn't happen.
He did kind of rebound in overtime. So credit to that.
And it's similar to Jason Tatum. Game three, he was like, we're not going to lose this game.
I'm going to take over. I just love this series so much because this is what – like 3-1 would have sucked.
It's got to go 7-1. 3-1 would have sucked for us.
2-2. Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday.
Yeah, Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday. You get instant reactions.
James Harden is playing his fucking balls off in their two wins. I'm excited.
Are you nervous, Hank? Yeah. You are.
Yeah. Officially.
I think that was a – they could have ended the series right there. They had it.
They could have won the game. Should have won the game.
It wouldn't have been the series, though. I think you won the franchise if the Sixers lose that game.
Yeah, the Sixers have momentum. But it's win on Tuesday and we're back.
The one thing I'd say about the Celtics, too, is I think they're more talented. I think Joe Mazzula is a liability.
Yeah i would have i would have i didn't mind i liked i and i don't know if this is going to make any sense i like them not calling a timeout to end regulation i wish they used a timeout at the end of overtime what's the difference though in those two scenarios it was just feel but it felt like and just the like they ran the same play there's a difference because at the end of regulation, you're tied.

So you can't lose the game right there.

At the end of overtime, James Harden hits a three to go up one.

That should change how you were, you know, your best play drawing it up.

Like this is what we need to do.

We have to score here.

Which comes back to the drawing up of the plays and my concerns and desires to have Brad Stevens comevens come on down yeah yeah do you think he's done any of that have you clearly not yeah either way jalen brown i mean that was just that was a lapse in judgment to to to come off of james harden in the corner standing there and joe mb does get credit for seeing that and being like he's wide open he's been hitting shots all game when're getting outcoached in the playoffs by Doc Rivers, it's a problem. Yeah.
It's an issue. I have a question.
So in fairness to both, because I've pointed out that there's been times where I'm like, Jason Tatum, you should take this game over. Who's taking last shot on the Sixers? Harden.
It's Harden, right? Okay, so Embiid is not the best player on his team. I think there's a difference.
There's a closer. Okay.
He is the guy. You can make that case with Robert Ori when he was on the Lakers where he would average eight points, but he would always hit the big shot at the end.
James Harden is the best player on the court when he's playing well, and he's also the closer. So you could say that James Harden, ipso facto, is the best player on the Sixers.
I think how the NBA, like, it's tough to be a big man and also get the ball at the end of the game. Like, the way the game is played right now, someone has to get the ball at the top of the key and make a move.
It's different that way for like a last shot. He is getting more attention, too.
So if he gets the ball anywhere close to the basket they're double teaming him they're triple teaming him sometimes so like he did set up that shot like he he took the attention but max you also understand that these these facts are getting in the way of a brilliant take which is that joel and beat is not even the mvp of his own team let me let me get my fiery takes off i'm not james hardens the best player i mean he's the last shot guy overrated you don't realize what i'm trying to do yeah we're just getting the hottest takes possible james harden is the guy he's the guy you need to have the ball in his hands uh joe and b did like he did recover in overtime so i'm not gonna you know pj tucker pj tucker but yeah it was gassed up big time that that's why i don't think that imbeed was even getting tired yeah i think he just got shook he was shook he was nervous about al horford the moment he was so shook was when he took a fade away three yeah because he was worried that al horford was gonna block him for the fourth time in the fourth quarter that was i think i think that was right after pj tucker yelled at him right after that like dude what you doing? How did Al Horford not make that wide open three that he took? Was that an overtime? Yeah. Max said it at the time, but he's seen that shot 100 times and it goes in 100 times.
Did you have any problem with the Marcus Smart charge call, Hank? No. I do.
I have a problem with the big cat. Why? My problem is that, again, I think we talked about this two weeks ago, you should not be allowed to take a charge if you're covering your nuts yeah that's one of your worst takes why that should be your sacrifice that you're making sure how can you play defense if you're covering why play football with helmets on how no you're not listening to me hank you can't make a play on the ball if your hands are on your own balls they're not making a play on the ball.
They're making a defensive play. So it's not a defensive play.

I don't think you shouldn't be able to protect yourself.

Yeah.

I think if you want it,

if you want it enough,

you should be willing to take a shot right in the nuts.

I would.

It's the restricted circle.

You can't have your hands over the restricted circle.

Yep.

Think about it.

Think about it.

Think about it hard.

Are you done thinking about it?

Okay.

You're done thinking about it.

I mean,

the thing is if it went the other way,

if somebody did that to you, Hank, you would a hundred percent agree this take. No, it's stupid.
I'm being an unbiased observer. Either way, Tuesday night's going to be great.
Max, we asked Hank's nervous. What are you? Because you need to win this series now.
Yeah, I honestly am just as nervous as Hank is going away from that game because that should have been a blowout. Yeah, you guys let them back in the game.
It was the same. I've seen that game so many times against the Celtics, and it's like we lose that game every time.
It was also more of the Celtics fucking up than the Sixers kind of taking over, which I don't love. I do think this is going to go seven, and I think the Celtics are going to win in seven

because the Sixers didn't win game three.

That should be a must win.

But it's a must win for Hank.

This is exactly how, when we explained it to you, the Celtics are going to have a reinvigorated

effort on Tuesday night, win that game.

Sixers reinvigorated effort on Thursday, win that game.

Back to Boston for game seven.

Celtics win game seven. And I mean, Embiid's going to be out of gas.
Sit them both. Embiid, it wasn't gas.
Oh, by the way, B-Ball Paul did hit his over, so I'm officially out. Just by a half a point.
Was it 20? No, it was 17 and a half. He has 18 now in the series.
Another Josh Harris sweep today, too. Devils and Sixers both win.

I think that's elite ownership.

All sweep clauses, all big guys clauses, basically just the straight-up series now, right?

Yep.

And did we ever decide on a time frame?

I don't think we did.

We'll have to work that out because, again, the baby, the memorial.

Not like how long you need to keep.

One shave.

We definitely decided that.

Okay.

One shave cycle?

Yeah, you shave and then you just grow it out. Yes.
Yeah. Okay.
Okay. Should we talk some other games? Talk some everything that happened this weekend? Should we talk some Lakers-Warriors? I feel like Lakers-Warriors, we should just have a flow chart.
Is Anthony Davis going to play good? Yes. Lakers win.
Is Draymond Green going to play bad?

Yes.

Warriors lose.

They have not.

They've alternated games playing good and bad.

And Anthony Davis was phenomenal again.

He also leads the league in times during a game that you think he is going to be out for the year.

I counted four last night.

He had his rib injury, his eye. It is pretty much every quarter you're like, oh, there goes Anthony Davis.
He's done. He got, was it Moses? Was it Moses Moody? Yeah.
He broke the code. He reached out and grabbed Anthony Davis's knee and gave a tug on it.
Can't do that. And I thought that his leg just exploded based on Anthony Davis's reaction.
But yet once again, Anthony Davis is the most healthy human being on the planet right now, so he was able to overcome it. And the second quarter, Lakers, they took away any opportunity for the third quarter Warriors to even show up.
It's so annoying that LeBron has figured out how to perfectly manage. He load manages in games.
That first quarter, he didn't take a shot. And you're like, he's washed.
And then in the second and third quarter, he was running back on defense, making plays, hitting shots. He was doing everything.
He was back to old LeBron. He load manages within quarters.
And it sucks because if you watch last night, the first quarter, I'm like, oh, yeah, LeBron's washed. This is over.
It's over. And then the second and third happen.
You're like, oh, nope. nope he's back to being lebron so lebron won't even give the lebron haters out there of which there are many the opportunity to be like look at him he's done he's a shell of himself he needs to retire now i think lebron's gonna play what maybe like four more years three more years maybe yeah and i don't think he's even gonna get worse well i say i think he kind of is what he is at this point, and old, slightly less athletic LeBron is still a fucking monster,

and so he's just going to play until he decides to walk away,

and he's still going to be super healthy at that point.

So they played the game like two hours after Bronny had declared

that he's going to USC.

I think we all figured that was going to happen.

University of Spoiled Children.

Yes, and I wonder if LeBron had to Photoshop him like rowing or something to get him a scholarship. Yeah, probably.
But LeBron, I hate to give LeBron credit for anything, but I will give him credit for this. He was asked after the game about like, is it still the plan to play with Bronny to play long enough? And he said, I'm still serious about it.
I've done what I had to do in this league. And my son is is going to take his journey but just because that's my aspiration and my goal it doesn't mean it's his good father lebron good parent that's that's the best parenting you can do to be like i'm i know what i want but it's my son's life and he's going to do what he wants and figure out his own path lebron's by everything that we've seen outside of having his daughter drink wine seems like a really great dad and eat rocks he made her eat rocks because she was like this wine tastes like rocks dad yeah he she had rocks and then wine yeah rocks then in that order now would michael jordan say the same thing i don't think so i think michael jordan would like try to tank one season just to make sure that his team could draft his own son well sons weren't as good as not quite as good as brawny yeah but yeah it is it is good parenting shout out lebron good parent good dad you know what decent basketball player even better father even better father i heard the younger brothers even better than brawny yeah he was he's taller way bryce bryce maximus yeah yeah so we're gonna get that maybe we'll get all three james king it was cool though because he did also say like unless he's missing someone way back in his family like tree this will be the first uh member of his family to go to college which is pretty cool that's very cool like the whole thing i i give lebron a lot of shit but i will admit like he is a great father seems like a very good dude and it's also bullshit that he load and I can think that he's washed.
And then he's, like, running and sprinting like he's young LeBron again. Yeah, so Bronny's going to go to college.
I highly doubt he's going to stay for four years. Yeah, maybe.
If he stays more than one, I believe he'll be a Big Ten athlete. Yeah, he will.
That's true. But here's the thing.
If Bronny is even slightly good as a freshman, then LeBron's going to be like, yo, enter the draft so that we can draft you.

Right.

He's probably, okay, here's a future take for us.

LeBron's about to be a bad father because he's going to deny his son a degree

just so that he can draft him to get him to play on the Lakers.

Boom, we're back.

I think it's going to be the opposite.

I think he's going to make him stay in college,

and it's going to be a whole storyline.

And he's going to make a shit ton of NIL money, but it's gonna be a whole thing that like lebron won't let him graduate or leave the the uh it's very funny too when these things happen in like your first reaction is a selfish to yourself reaction where i was like fuck i'm gonna stay up late to watch brawny yeah like damn i already stay up late anyway to watch you know bill walton and like oregon Oregon versus Washington state and shit. But still, like he will be that will be insane viewership on those games.
No, I'm calling his games. Great.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm I think I'm going to like Bronny. I think that's going to be my thing.
Yeah. I think I'm going to be a Bryce guy.
Charlie Woods. Charlie Woods.
We're all the we're the next generation right now. Yeah.
Go yeah the baby goats well we go this is what they call lebron is older than us we can relate to bronnie a lot more yeah like listen we're cool guys lebron doesn't understand us being in the media as this next generation he grew up watching you know espn and studio shows all that this is the new media lebron you don't get it i do hope that lebron goes to usc and like helps bronnie move into his dorm and all that shit he's not living in a dorm i think some schools you have to your freshman year i doubt it some of your maybe required one year yeah maybe maybe well i don't know get them all hooked up with the green green street hooligan okay he might he might he might the kiss he might on a meal plan have a dorm but i't know if he'll live there. Yeah.
Like, he might have a dorm to, you know, leave his shoes or something. LeBron's just going to turn his dorm into, like, a wine cellar for himself.
I can't imagine that they make those kids be in dorms now, too, with NIL. Like, because LeBronny has already been in, like, some big-time advertising.
He was in a big commercial. Like, he's got his own money.
I feel like some schools, especially.

He's in phase.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Some schools, especially if it's got an athletic program that's like playing by the rules,

you have to go there and you have to be on campus as a freshman.

You have to have an address.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because I was thinking like Caleb Williams probably got the coolest house ever.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

He's probably.

According to like the NIL site, his evaluation of nil money is 7.2 mil a year yeah i don't really understand how it works but he's like the highest yeah nil guy 7.2 mil he's gotta be um okay so yeah i i do think the warriors i think this is gonna this is gonna be one of those series that might go i'll say we'll go go seven. And people will be like, what a classic series.
I'm like, no, actually, it sucked because half the games, one team killed the other. And then they were like, all right, let's not waste our guys.
Yeah. The best we can hope for it is probably alternate wins, alternate wins, alternate wins.
Game seven, close game. Yeah.
That's what I want. I did love Jeff Van Gundy just completely taking apart load management

at the end of the game because there was the discussion about

Anthony Davis playing 32 minutes versus 39 minutes,

and he turned to Mike Breen at the end of the game.

He's like, I hope you can broadcast in two days after we just did 48 minutes.

It's perfect because it is.

They were getting into it about that.

Well, at some point, when we're talking about the difference

between four minutes, I get not having guys in in a blowout that makes sense but i don't think that uh a athlete of that caliber four minutes in a playoff game should matter that it does so the the four minutes just matters because he was tired at some point and needed a breather right he just wants to catch his breath right and then whatever way the game clock checks out at that point when he's feeling rested he goes back in and it's not like they're they're like oh well 38 minutes would be too much for right let's dial a pack and and there are like it is different if it was like 43 minutes to 47 minutes because 47 minutes would be playing the whole game i get that but 30 32 to 33 or 33 to 38 like he can do Okay. Next game.
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The game was, was bad. Yeah, it was, it was a really, really, really bad game.
The Knicks offense is horrible, horrible. And I did spend the whole time thinking, obviously now I would say whoever wins the six or Celtics series is going to go to the finals.
But the whole time I was like, well, the Celtics are going to smoke. Whoever wins the series.
think that's probably fair. I think the Heat are way better than the Knicks.
They're the hottest team right now. The Heat make no...
Well, we're going to get one Jimmy Butler game, at least one Jimmy Butler game in the Eastern Conference Finals. Probably two or three of them.
Good point, Jake. They're going to smoke the Knicks.
They're going to win the Jimmy Butler games. That's just how it's going to be.
But they're not going to get four Jimmy Butler games in the Eastern Conference Finals. The Heat make no sense.
The Heat were down to the Bulls with like three minutes left in the play-in game. And all Heat fans were talking about how this is going to be a painful rebuild and you have to change over the whole roster.
And now they feel like significantly better than the Knicks. They're in the best spot in the East right now.
They're in the best spot in the East. The craziest part is Tyler Hero broke his hand and you're like, he's out for, it's done, season's over.
He could come back because they're going to play all the way to the, like if they get all the way to the Eastern Conference Finals. I think it's still Finals only.
Really? Yeah. Either way, the Heat have been awesome.
I don't really know, like, they just playing very good basketball. And Spolstra is the best coach left in the Eastern Conference, probably in the NBA.
Yep. I think in the NBA.
Brad Stevens. So it does feel like they have the edge there.
And a lot of these series do come down, like, to to game because you start to know your opponent so well. I've never been more wrong about saying Heat culture was dead.
Do people think that Jimmy Butler's unathletic? No. Because Jimmy Butler said that he did a reverse two-handed dunk in the game to prove all the people wrong who are always saying that Jimmy Butler's unathletic.
I just didn't know if those people actually existed or not. I don't think he's not like an athletic specimen

where you're like, he beats you with athleticism,

but he's not unathletic.

He's a great...

Is he saying like, he's probably sick of people being like,

he just tries harder and he's a great basketball player.

Right, right.

As opposed to being like, he will go nuclear on you.

Like, John Moran can go nuclear on somebody.

Right, he won't beat anyone.

Like, Tyrese Maxey is like, he's so much faster than everyone.

You know what I mean?

the As opposed to being like, he will go nuclear on you. Like, John Moran can go nuclear on somebody.
Right. He won't beat anyone.
Like, Tyrese Maxey is like, he's so much faster than everyone. You know what I mean? Like, that athleticism shows up.
Whereas, like, Jimmy Butler isn't. Although, I mean, I think his strength is, if you're doing athleticism, like, speed, jumping, probably not, like, elite.
Well, he's obviously elite because he's in the NBA. But his strength has to be up there because he just bull he bullies because i've always thought jimmy butler exceptionally athletic individual yes when i look at that man i'm like he's he's by a wide margin he's more athletic than i am i i yeah i think it's more that he just doesn't like have jumping out of the gym type of like athleticism yeah some guys get by with yeah i was reading a uh an article about that practice the legendary practice that he had in minnesota when they kicked him off the team essentially where uh he was pissed off at the management and he said fine fuck it i'm gonna play with all the backups yep and we're gonna play against the starters and then they smoked him by like 10 points in the practice jimmy walked off the court saying fuck you pay me to the general manager and then then he walks directly into an interview with Rachel Nichols and basically says, I'm so much better than the rest of these clowns.
And then just blows up the Minnesota Timberwolves. Turns out Jimmy was right.
Yeah. Jimmy was right.
You should have paid Jimmy, Minnesota. So you're not afraid at all about it.
It would be funny if after this entire season and the Heat, remember the Heat were the number one seed last year. If we get the same Eastern Conference final Celtics heat I'm not I'm not thinking about that okay you were at the game you were how was the experience of the no Hank said it's hard not to think about the finals right so that means he was thinking about it but no it means he was trying really hard but he was his mind kept on going back to who I thought was going to be in it Hank were you thinking about none of the teams I was watching were going to be answer the question that was all I could think were you thinking about the finals yes who were you thinking about playing I didn't say this I just was thinking about the finals like oh it starts June 1st oh okay got it finals uh so how was the how was the scene how was the I mean, Miami is just the craziest scene in general,

just walking around the city.

And obviously, F1 was a very fun, like, bucket list event to go to.

It was like the Super Bowl in that there's just so much going on. But Miami, just the people watching and the people that are just in the crowd

and walking around is just ridiculous.

Max doesn't know that Gucci was a brand. A guy was wearing a Gucci shirt in the front row, and on the back it said Gucci.
And Max said, is that Gucci, man? Because it says Gucci on the back. And I said, no, that doesn't look anything like Gucci, man.
First, then Max said, I don't know what Gucci man looks like, which is crazy. Then two minutes later, it was like, wait, Gucci is a brand.
Oh no,

Max.

I know.

I knew,

I know that Gucci is a brand.

I know that Gucci is a brand.

I,

the font was different.

The colors were different.

I,

I was looking for stars.

It was,

it was like a big week and I was like,

oh,

there's probably some stars.

I was like,

oh,

Hank,

you know,

you know,

Gucci,

man.

Like,

is that him?

He's where that shirt says Gucci on it. Max, don't apologize.
Gucci's wearing like a baseball jersey with his name on the back. Don't apologize for being trashy.
You think that I'm trashy too? Like I don't have nice things like cream shirts are just like a Taco Bell. Don't apologize for that.
Don't apologize for that, Max. But it was scumbags.
We don't wear nice clothes. We're too fat to wear nice clothes.
That's very true. I didn't know what Hermes was a couple weeks ago.
They don't make nice clothes for, specifically me and Max, they don't make nice clothes for guys with our build. That's a fact.
They don't do those. We get the linebacker ads on Instagram.
Right, exactly. We get the constant ads of you want a shirt that makes your arms look big and your gut look small, and it's just a t-shirt.
Aside from Roback, of course. Yeah, Roback actually works, and then you put the t-shirt on because I've been duped many times on these ads.
Oh, yeah. You put it on, and you're like, wait, I look exactly the same, still fat.
Yeah. We don't get Gucci.
I don't get Gucci. We don't get Gucci.
Gucci's not advertising. But it was Memes.
It was Memes, the big Knicks fan. It was his first Knicks playoff game.
Terrible game to watch. I've been lucky enough to go to a lot of very cool sporting events, playoff games in my lifetime.
This one would rank up there with the Villanova-Michigan championship game. It was over instantly.
It was just like the energy just wasn't there. Did you get to see Pat Riley in the sands? No.
I love that shot whenever they just put it on Pat. Yeah, and Alonzo.
Yeah. I was watching the first half of this game at a two-year-old's birthday party, and a guy came up and recognized me and was like, you're gonna watch this game I was like yeah I was like I took the heat big and he you thought that I like had had like made fun of his mother and then at halftime I was like see and he had to kind of like bow his head and be like fuck Nick's hype is out of control and they they're not that good they're winning at all probably.
Probably. Yeah, probably.
Probably. Yeah, their offense, it's hard to watch sometimes.
You know what it is? Well, Emmanuel quickly got hurt. That doesn't help.
I also think that Josh Hart played so well in a couple games that now Tibbs thinks he's more than what he is. Because he's a good player, a role player, but he's not, he can't be your like featured guy.
And when you need a bucket, Oh, memes, memes, not the picture. He, he, the heat have banners hanging.
Oh yeah. For MJ for no, for Tim Hardaway, Dwayne Wade, LeBron James and bam winning gold medals.
Oh, they also have an MJ banner. Yeah.
Yeah. Which is classic is classic yeah respect um that is mellow should have played for the heat he'd have a banner yeah that place would be just decorated yeah the rafters would be full of mellow that would be sick uh hank so you do are you are anticipating that when the celtics win this series it's gonna be a cakewalk to the finals yeah through the heat.
So you're officially that when the Celtics win this series, it's going to be a cakewalk to the finals. Yeah.
Through the Heat. Or the Knicks.
So you're officially overlooking the Heat at this point. Or the Knicks.
Okay. Okay.
Whoever wins that series, L. L for them.
Whoever wins Celtics, Sixers, W. I'm officially in don't discount the Heat territory, where it doesn't make sense anymore and jimmy butler is just gonna be like better than everyone when he wants to be and suppose gonna be the best coach and so who the fuck knows i think your take pendulum has swung too far no i well no i'm not saying that i still don't think the heat are that good i'm more like i don't know what to expect from the heat so i'm i'm done discounting that's like i'm not i'm not gonna if they win to get thrown out the window right after you get hot right the regular season doesn't matter if they if they play the sixers or celtics i'm not gonna be like oh that's an easy win for the sixers celtics now do you think that there is something about the fact we talk about during the regular season sometimes if you've ever listened to any uh like podcast that's done by a former player teams that go to miami they party it up in miami f1 they have a good time yeah do you think that even in the playoffs guys go down there and they're like fuck it it's miami james harden let's have fun james harden that could be a real issue for the sixers yes james harden going to miami on the road for three games in the playoffs max is shaking said max you were fucking delusional if you don't think that james harden flew to las vegas on an off day correct if he's in miami in the playoffs.
Max is shaking and said, Max, you were fucking delusional if you don't think that... James Harden flew to Las Vegas on an off day.
Correct. If he's in Miami during the playoffs, that man will be hitting up every strip club.
What did he do after he went to Vegas? That's a good point. Fair point.
But... Fair point.
He's also going to be partying it up all the time down in Miami. That's fine if he drops 45 the next day.
But I don't think that he will every time. I don't know about the playoffs.
I think James Harden was in the playoffs.

He went to Vegas.

He went to Vegas two days before this series started.

Before game one, when he had the best game of his career.

Smooching on girls.

I think we should watch the game in here on Tuesday, by the way.

Okay, that works.

We should do, by the way, for Mount Rushmore,

because now I'm thinking about a PFT,

when you said my pendulum swung so much.

There are certain times in sports where a team can win a championship

Thank you. for Mount Rushmore, we should, because now I'm thinking about a PFT when you said my pendulum swung so much.

There are certain times in sports where a team can win a championship

and you're like,

I still don't think they're that good.

Oh, the worst champions.

I think that's what the heat would be for me.

So like,

it's,

I don't want to,

I mean,

Joe Flacco is elite,

but when Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl,

I was like,

they're not that good.

Like there are teams that win championships

and if you've been a hater for long enough and you like watch enough of their games, you're like, what the fuck? You go to your dying bed being like, no, no, no, they weren't that good. Yeah, LeBron, 2020.
Yeah, they weren't that good. I still don't think the Rams were that good.
Which Rams? Oh, when they won the Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They just had Aaron Donald. And Matt Stafford played really well for an extended stretch.
But, like, yeah, those teams exist in your mind. Like, I still think the 49ers were better than the Rams.
Yeah, there's some real shitty teams that have been champions. Right.
A champion doesn't make you good. And it's the dumbest thing you can do as a sports fan to be like, yeah, yeah, no, no, I still don't think they're good, even though they proved that they were that good because they won a championship.
Asterix, wanted championships that is but that happens in all from yeah it happens in sports where you're just like nah i don't think they're that good you know what this is going to turn into though it's just going to turn into you guys picking each other's teams just to piss each other off what do you mean like you picking the one of the patriots teams you picking the capitals no the capitals were great no one no one ever picked that no i would be honest about it i don't I don't think there's... No.
No. I'm just saying.
Jake, no. Well, the capitalists were great.
No, no one ever picked that. No, I would be honest about it.
I don't think there's no, no, I'm saying Jake. No.
Well, yeah, the Marlins in 97 and 03. Yeah, both wildcard.
They were not that good. They were never in their history.
One, three, especially. We know why.
Okay. Let's talk Suns Nuggets.
What a fucking game that was. What a series this has turned into.
Just great vibes. Always great vibes between the Suns and the Nuggets.
Two chill fan bases. So 2-0 going into Friday night, and then Devin Booker decides to just go absolutely nuclear pretty much for two straight games because he was 14 for 18 tonight.
And on Friday night, he was, what was his final stat? I think he was 20 for 25. It's 47 points, 20 for 25.
He and KD have essentially been like, I mean, this is what we knew with the Suns. Like, they don't have a bench.
They traded everyone to get KD. So it was essentially like Devin Booker and Kevin Durant have to score 80 to 90 points a game for this to work.
And tonight they scored 72 on Friday night. I think they scored, I don't know, like something like 85 plus.
And now we have to ask the question, are the Suns better without Chris Paul? Yeah, I was hoping that we would ask that. I think in a sick way, they definitely are better without Chris Paul.
100%. Because if you've got Devin Booker and KD those guys big cat would you say that they can both create their own shots I would say so I would say so too so they're not really like obviously they can make open looks and stuff and cut and get get open off the ball but you want the ball in their hands there's only one ball and I think one ball can be divided between two great, but one ball can't be divided between three great players.
Let's just pretend that the Miami Heat never happened when they had Bosh, LeBron, and Dwayne Wade. Yeah, but Bosh had to play second fiddle for a lot of that.
None of those guys are point guards. That's true.
That's a very good point. I think if you have a big three and one of which is your point guard— Wait, no.
Now I'm just— There have been some other teams where that hasn't worked out but i i do think that in a weird way they are they don't they're not relying on chris paul to run their offense and they get along just fine without him well and it's we we find this a lot in the nba playoffs like if you're missing a key piece everyone else has to step up and that's exactly what kevin durant and devin booker have done So I just looked it up. Devin Booker, the last two games, is shooting 34 for 43.
He's shooting at 79%. That's in fucking sane.
Yeah. That is absolutely, like, you better win when your guy's shooting 79%.
And the Nuggets, I mean, almost won this game. J 53 like it was an insane game high like the shot making was out of control and this series is fun this series is a lot of fun and it's fun because Chris Paul's not in it so moral victory is it good for the Nuggets that they were able to keep these last couple games as close as they had, even though it took Devin Booker defying the laws of physics to be able to shoot as well as he's shot?

But maybe he's just going to keep shooting this way.

If he does, then we're in for probably seven games in this series.

But I'm standing by my take Nugs in six.

I still think it's going to be Nugs in six.

Go back to Denver.

We should actually say the guy that stepped up the most tonight was in place of Chris Paul yeah was Matt Ishbia yes the owner of the Suns yeah exactly filled the flopping void that was left by Chris Paul it was an all-time flop it was a great flop and it's good to see the owners get involved in the action people are talking about like suspending Jokic well yeah so no they should just get to shove Stan Cranky when he's courtside. That would be wonderful if Stan Cranky took a charge courtside and his two pages went flopping up in the air and then went into the fifth row behind him.
I was going to say, they should just get to rip off his mustache. Just wax off his mustache.
Just take some hair off of him. Yeah, that was a crazy scene because if Jokic gets suspended, that would be absolutely bullshit because Matt Ishma, I mean, I don't begrudge him because if you're the owner of the team and you paid a shitload of money for him and you have a chance to maybe get the best player on the other team suspended, why not? But he grabbed the ball, wouldn't give it up, and then he kind of like chest into Jokic and then Jokic gave him a little shove.
Yeah. If Adam Silver suspends Jokic for this game, it's bullshit.
He should at least suspend Matt Ishbia from owning the Suns for at least one day. Matt Ishbia played on the national champion Michigan State teams.
He's a Tom Izzo product. Yeah.
That should actually be the ruling. Matt Ishbia's got to play at least 20 minutes on tuesday night i would watch that that would be awesome matt ishpia when i felt when i i read up on because i forgot that he was a walk-on on that team yeah that shocked me looking at matt ishpia's body type right now yeah nothing about that guy screams basketball yeah but he was and he actually he like goes so he owns I think, the biggest mortgage company in the country.
And he treats his mortgage company like basketball teams where he'll split them up. Each sales team is like five guys, and they all have to learn.
All his life. Yeah.
So that will be bullshit if Jokic gets suspended. I actually kind of felt like Jokic was going to have a game like this, especially after Embiid gassed out in the fourth quarter.
Came back in overtime. Don't get mad, Max.
But Jokic scoring 53 points. And, like, they're just, his game is so much fun to watch because it really is the most skilled YMCA player of all time.
Yeah. And I don't mean that in a bad way because people will be like, that's fucked up.
But like some of his shots, when he does the one-legged, you know, jumper, he'll just like lightly put in like an eight footer. It's just beautiful.
I can't wait to see the statue they eventually make of him. I hope he's riding a horse in it.
Yeah. And falling down and making a shot.
Yeah. I hope he's got like, he's got his left foot down, down his right foot up but his right foot is like maybe one inch off the ground and his body is like kind of off at an angle like a 45 degree angle yeah his head is tilted to the side his right elbow is stuck out to the side too and you just know that he's gonna switch it but it's um the performance that he had what was it friday night was that the last Friday night.
Didn't he – he had like 30-something, 17-17 in that game? He's just – he's incredible. I'm looking it up right now.
He had 30, 17-17. That's crazy.
Yeah. That's a crazy stat line.
Yeah. He's – I mean, it's stupid how good he is.
You know what? Ishbia should be – they should force him to sit courtside at the Nuggets game and on either side of him should be one of the Jokic brothers. Ooh, I like that.
Just right in between them. See if he does like a Steve Ballmer crotch grab on those two guys.
Yes. All right, so right now, so the last two games for the Suns, Kevin Durant and Devin Booker have scored 64% of their points.
150 out of – 158 out of 250. You know what? That's a key to success.
Have your best players score all the points. It might be just a hack that other teams could use in the future.
Get Chris Paul on your team and then have him get injured, and that way everybody is psyched that they don't have to play with Chris Paul anymore. better vibes on the team yeah and uh I think tonight yeah Landry Shamit I the Suns I'm gonna fall for the Suns again because it is fun seeing campaign out there just uh we had a great report on Friday night that campaign when he had to fill in and start for Chris Paul he usually wears all black for the games he decided to wear some colors to remind himself to have fun out there.
That was an actual sideline report. He wore he wore colored clothes, colored clothes.
That was a sideline report. It's hard hitting.
We had some serious sideline reporting on. There was one other that was essentially Chris Paul talks and then doesn't talk.
That's how he's been leading the team since he's been out. Hold on, I'm going to find it.
I took a screen grab of it. He continued to talk a lot, specifically to Kevin Durant and Devin Booker.
First, Chris Paul spoke up once, stepped back, allowed the team to talk. Then he spoke up a second time, and then allowed Kevin Durant and Devin Booker to speak amongst themselves.
So making his presence felt, but also allowing everyone else to do their thing. Did you get that? Did you get's called facilitating did you get that facilitating the conversation i don't think i don't think no no no no no i think i i don't think that what you fail to understand big cat is it's the times that he didn't talk that were more impactful but he also talked after he didn't talk but then after he talked again do you know what he did after that he finished it with not talking he didn't talk again again.
Yeah. He closed it.
So it's like that's his finishing move is not talking. I don't know who the reporter is.
I mean, look, sideline reporters have a tough job because if you don't get anything, like if they don't want to talk to you, you have to make it up. And this was Chris Paul talking and then not talking and then talking and then not talking.
She just described the conversation. This is the campaign.
We're down 0-2. It's a different team, but he told me in order to get ready today, he sat in deep prayer.
And he even dressed differently coming into the game, deciding to wear color instead of his usual black to represent fun and bringing energy. He said, if I dress well, I can play well, too.
Got that? Got it. Got it.
Got it. Got it.
Bubba's just watching the TV like, what the fuck does that mean? So, yeah, that's the Suns. The Suns are back.
The Suns are back. This entire, like, playoffs are just, they rule.
Like, we have, what would be the, and the Knicks Heat probably is the worst series, and that's 2-1. Yeah, so I'd say that three out of the four series are awesome.
Right. So we have two of them, 2-2.
Monday night, we might get all four to 2-2. I want at least two Game 7s to come out of this.
Give me Warriors-Lakers. Let's get greedy.
Give me Warriors-Lakers Game 7. Give me Celtics-Sixers Game 7.
Yeah, and Suns-Nuggets. And give me all the popcorn.
Yes, all the kettle corn. Yeah, so every series except the heat one would be game seven sunday so we could have up to three on sunday holy shit mother's day that's actually fucked up and i think that would default the celtic sixers to a day game because the two west games they're not gonna put during the day yeah that's true if it's on mother's day game seven you know what they have to do in la right or i guess that game's going to be in Golden State.
Yeah. You got to invite Delonte West.
You have to.

But. You know what they have to do in L.A., right? Or I guess that game is going to be in Golden State.
Yeah. You got to invite Delonte West.
You have to. But maybe not.
Maybe not. I saw Hank's face.
I read Hank's face. All right.
Last thing. Hockey.
Do we count the Leafs getting into the second round if they don't win a game? This was a win. This was a win for the Leafs.
They won a series for the first time since the first Bush administration. I don't think it counts.
If they don't, if they don't win a game this was a win this i don't i don't want a series for the first time since the uh first bush administration i don't think it counts if they don't if they don't win a single game in the second round i don't think they got to the second round this is one of those games where if they'd won in overtime and it had been 2-1 instead of going down 3-0 if they'd won that game in overtime i could see the leafs pulling it out now the leafs are going do. It's late in the season.
Well, they're down 3-0. The Leafs will crumple.
Yeah, so it's over for them. It was a good run.
We had a great run. They won a series.
Listen, who could forget? They won a series. That's the equivalent of a Stanley Cup for Toronto.
It's over, Jake. It's over, Jake.
Jake, it's over. Not three.
It's over. It's over.
Three nothing. Jake, it's over.

Now I'm kidding about doing something.

Hank will get a cat if the Leafs come back and win the series.

Okay?

Deal.

Deal.

I'll match.

You'll get a cat?

Yeah, I'll match.

If you agree to get one.

No.

Name it Rob Ford.

No, there's no upside for him there. I'll do cat bets.
Someone else has to do a cat bet if they sweep. No, but that's one more game.
It's a lock side bet. It's the same conversation you try and do every single time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shut up, Panthers.
The Devils are back. They won 8-4.
Yeah. And then the Oilers.
Oilers are so much fun to watch. I know that they lost game one, but they won game two on Saturday night.
Their power play is so much fun to watch. Did you see, by the way, with the Devils game, did you see Biz get into it with Tuckett? No.
They got mad at each other. They got very mad at each other because Biz was like, this game's over.
The Devils were up 3-0, and Tuckett was like, was like yeah well let's just turn all the cameras off and pretend that this game's not even going to finish and it's like yeah they should because this game's over yeah that was probably stupid well and then they went up uh i think they went up what six two yeah and then they came back it was like seven four i was just i was hoping that they were going to come back and somehow tie the game just to see Biz and Toc go round two. Yeah.
Talk about fun to watch. Yeah, Kraken.
Up 2-0. Kraken are – I just can't get over how much they nailed their jerseys.
They fucking rule. Like the coolest color scheme.
I don't know if that Pantone is used in any other professional sports team, that teal. No.
It's like lighter than the Dolphins Aqua. Yeah, it's not exactly the Jaguars.
It's a good color. And it's just exclusive.
The whole thing is they did a great job. The Kraken.
That would be Rob Ford's second favorite team. Yes.
Crackheads. Spencer Haas better be there.
Otherwise, we're never getting the Sonics back. Let me see.
If he's not there he they don't get the sonics back i'm saying right he's got to go to at least one one playoff game yeah facetime let's see he better be there i'm gonna hang up instantly on him if he's not at this game okay it's called ice blue the pantone oh ice blue and shadow blue that's beautiful and they also have boundless blue whoa deep sea blue i think they made their own colors for this team. Wait.
Yeah, those are made up. Yeah.
Wait, those can't all be the... Deep Sea Blue? Deep Sea Blue, Ice Blue, Boundless Blue, Shadow Blue.
And then the red is Red Alert. He's not there.
No, that's probably... He's probably not picking up...
I want him a towel in his hand. Otherwise, Sonic's never coming home.
No. Oh, Spencer, why aren't you at the game? Bad sports town.
Bad sports, man. Bad sports town.
Sonics are cursed. You're bad sports, Spencer.
Oh, no. Are you guys recording? Yeah.
Have you gone to a game yet? I've been to many games. Playoff game? This is the playoffs.
It's the Yoffs, man. Saving it for Tuesday.
Okay, all right, fine. You go Tuesday, then the Silas can come home.

All right, it's a deal.

You got yourselves a deal.

Okay, all right.

Bye, Spencer.

Wow, we just made him go to a playoff hockey game.

Hope you like jail, brother.

It's like the funnest thing you can do is go to a playoff hockey game.

We just made him do that, and it sounded actually like he already had tickets.

Yep.

He should be at this game, though. He should.
He bullshit 1-1 home ice got to support the boys spencer i'm starting to think hank might be right bum that might be a bad sports no i see i was a great sports that'll bring the songs back uh okay f1 um credit to us yeah red bull went one and two that's never? We fixed Red Bull. Red Bull.
Everybody was saying this team, they're going to fall apart. They don't have any cohesion.
Everything that they've done this season. I forget how many wins they had or P ones, whatever you want to call it.
Everyone's saying it was a fluke. Q ones.
I think they demonstrated that it was, it was not a fluke. Uh, credit to Checo.
Great loser. Great loser.
He was a great loser today. So he picked that up from Max.
Great loser. Not you, Max.
Not you, Max. No, you're bad, Max.
You're a terrible loser. We also had a moment when it was like four laps left and Checo got caught on the radio asking, is Max struggling? He was just looking out for him.
Yeah. He was just hoping that he was okay.
He was like, I'll be right there for him if he needs any help screen shot of that right away and put it in his folder also knowing knowing oh that's perfect yeah it was good there was a side note when we interviewed uh max uh and checko on thursday i have some friends that are big f1 fans and i got two separate texts asking is max uh a dickhead in real life and i read them as our max and then i was like wait they're talking about max for seven who's not a dickhead not a dickhead very good guy i do think knowing a little bit about checo and his sense of humor and what we've kind of seen from when we've interviewed him i think he knows for a fact that that was going to get caught it was going to be a screenshot it was going to be a clip that would come out. He knows when he gets on the radio, people are going to be listening to it.
I think he was fucking around. Yeah.
I think he was like, Max is winning this race, so I'm just going to bust his balls. Yeah, is he struggling? Ask me if he's struggling.
Yeah. Yeah.
But F1 was fun this week. Yeah.
Christian Horner found the perfect toilet to piss in. Yeah, he did.
And he did for the king. Yeah.
He did for the king. What a coronation present.
Shout out to king and his stubby, gross fingers. What is wrong with his fingers? Inbred.
Yeah. They look like little smokies.
Remember little smokies, the little sausage bites? Yeah. He's got five little smokies on his hands.
They're all inbred. Yeah.
That's the short answer to it. That one picture of his middle finger, it looks like he's having an allergic reaction only in his middle finger.
Yeah, I was hoping that we were going to get the absolute unit to show up at the coronation. Oh, yeah.
That guy should be escorting the king down the aisle or whatever it is. I don't know how coronations work.
But the absolute unit, the look at the size of this lad guy with a double-breasted suit, that should be the mascot of england yes he should be incorporated in every single formal thing they do someone

pointed out too uh which was like genius that uh they really like the the monarch really was

better in black and white because looking at a picture of the king and camilla like with their

robe and their like they just looked like they were going to a halloween party some people they

looked ridiculous some people shouldn't be in high def yeah you know like that 4k televisions

We'll be right back. With their robe and their head.
Like, they just looked like they were going to a Halloween party. They looked ridiculous.
Some people shouldn't be in high def. Yeah.
You know? 4K televisions weren't good for everybody. No.
No. And it was the second televised coronation of all time, right? Yeah.
Because Queen Elizabeth was the first. This was the second.
Prince Andrew showed up, and he was, like, wearing the shroud of darkness or whatever the fuck he was getting to wear. Shroud of pedophilia and then harry harry just had to wear a suit because he's not the royal family he regrets so he has prince harry uh marrying megan markle and then getting absconded with to america not allowed to be part of the formalities prince andrew fucking 16 year olds on pedophile island for 20 years Allegedly

Yeah, come on, come on in

Yeah, you're fine

You can be part of the ceremony

You can walk Pippa down the aisle

Yeah

They think Meghan Markle went in disguise

Oh, really?

Okay, yes, this is my favorite theory

And this is going to be my who's back

But we'll just talk about it now with the coronation

British fans of the monarchy

Are some of my favorite sports fans in the world

Yes

They are fucking insane

I'm going to go ahead and see you next time. about now with the coronation um british fans of the monarchy are some of my favorite sports fans in the world yes they are fucking insane they're crazy how seriously they take this shit there was a screenshot of this one guy in the audience and to be fair he looked a little bit like donnie brasco undercover or like a i don't know a dana carvey character or like that.
And they screenshot him because he's got this bowl cut and these giant weird glasses on. Oh, I saw.
He looks like he's straight out of the 1980s. And they're saying that that was Meghan Markle wearing a prosthetic, pretending to be a dude to sneak into the coronation.
I have no idea if it's true or not, but now I believe it because these people care so very deeply about it the only reason i don't believe it um and i maybe this would be offensive to to british people but i'll just say it british people do like really ugly better than any other country yeah they really do like they have some of the ugliest people whether it be the teeth or whatever like that guy i saw him and i was like oh that guy's British as British gets. Yeah.
I mean, your, your King looks like if you just touched him with your finger, he would crumble to dust and then get blown away by the wind. Yeah.
But this guy, you know what I'm saying? I know what you're saying. People are, there are some really ugly British.
I saw the picture of this guy and I didn't even think twice about it. I was like, Oh yeah, that's just a member of the British monarch Because that's the best that they have to offer is a guy like that.
Yeah, they have a bunch of people that look like they just were trapped in a time capsule. And they showed up for this event.
And they haven't been seeing the light of day since the 80s. Yeah.
I mean, that's just Britain. They don't get any sun over there.
They don't have dental work. Their food sucks.
And they eat like they drink pea smoothies. Nick and our colleagues colleagues nick and tommy went and i think they have a video coming out they were doing they were doing clips during it but uh nick asked one of the a british guy like this is so boring he's like britain does boring better than anyone yeah like yeah they do a million they really do a million percent but i do choose to believe that megan was undercover i like it at that event i like it and who god And God knows what she was doing there.
Is there anything else since we are talking about it now? No. I mean, basically, he's going to die soon, and then somebody else is going to get a coronation.
Yeah, William. They should have skipped Charles and just gone straight to William.
Yeah, this feels like a better PR. It feels like a participation crown for Charles.
It's like, okay, you waited long enough. We'll let you have your turn.
And also, I do feel a little bad for, not that bad for Camilla because she's, you know, queen now. Should have been Diana.
Right. That's every time she gets put in the spotlight, everyone's like, oh, yeah, those are the people that killed Diana.
Yep. So it's like if I were Charles, I would have been like, I'm actually going to sit this one out.
Yeah. I don't really want a trend for killing my Ex-wife nope nope yeah yeah Yeah all time strays were getting caught there

So Harry is completely

Out of it right he regrets it

He does he probably does

Because he's been over in the

States like trying to get his wife hired as an actress

Yeah there are only so many podcasts

That you can do with your wife

Before you start to think to yourself

Maybe I should have just kept that job Where I don't have to do shit and i get millions of dollars right and live in castles yes also what's trending a lot is uh pictures of diana's bodyguard that looks exactly like harry who's also ginger oh is he the king interesting yeah how old is he well no he might be harry's father harry's dad yeah ah got it oh i see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.
I see what you're saying. Yeah.
Ooh, interesting. I do think that we should have a king and queen in America, though.
I understand the usefulness of the royal family because they just serve to do all the stupid shit that the president does that doesn't make a difference. So their actual politicians can govern instead of worrying about hosting the president of South Korea for karaoke or whatever.
I understand why they do it. I still think that it's stupid how much money and wealth they have and how seriously they take it.
But I would like to see a king and queen in America. Should have been, he passed, but John Madden and Beyonce.
That's perfect. That's a pretty good king and queen right there.
I was going to say Coach O should

just be the king of Louisiana. Yeah.
They should get him

a scepter. Coach O and Taylor Swift.
Coach

O and Brandy. Did you see Brandy's

Rock? No. It's nice.
Good job, Coach O.

Good job, Coach O. Get that buyout.
Yep.

He told us. What did you say, Billy?

Dolly Parton should be the queen. Yep.
Good point.

Good point. John Madden and Dolly Parton.

Bob Barker and Dolly Parton.

That works. Yeah.
That absolutely works. We should get to watch him fuck yeah put it on the list uh don't tell me you wouldn't click on that link i would but only after you did it okay um to make sure that it was safe yes i didn't get a virus okay uh last thing kentucky derby mage wins good job 17 to 1.
Mage. Mage.
Mage. Forte got scratched.
There's a lot of people were very upset. If you lost to Kentucky Derby like I did, this guy wrote an article saying, sorry, but Kentucky Derby 149 deserves an asterisk.
Mage, a horse Forte just beat twice at Gulfstream Park, benefited when the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission

scratched the Derby favorites Saturday morning. So asterisks on everyone who lost.
Sure, asterisks on that. There were seven horses that died this week at Churchill Downs.
There's got to be a way that you can take a horse that broke its leg and just wrap it up real good and suspend it above the ground so it doesn't re-injure itself. I feel like we haven't exhausted our

The medical

State of America real good and suspend it above the ground so it doesn't re-injure itself i feel like we haven't exhausted our the the medical um state of america to figure out a way to make a horse not kill itself and not keep re-injuring itself i feel and this is not really fully understanding but i feel like it's like pretty much the owners are like this is going to cost me too much money i think that there might be might be something to do with that. He's not going to be winning me any races.
Yeah, right. So like as much as I say that I love this horse, you got to kill it.
Rehab? No thanks. I don't want to have to feed this fucking thing.
Yeah. I don't understand why they don't do it for breeding purposes.
Even though it can't run, it can still fuck. But if they don't win, then the breeding is not worth it.
Then you just got a bunch of worthless cum. Then you're just hoping the horse would have been good if they didn't have a broken leg.
Yeah. But then somebody would buy that cum for the potential of it.
Yeah. It's a risky investment.
Because didn't you bring that up with Randy Moss? They should just start breeding horses, don't even race. Don't race.
Just based on like, look how strong and fast this horse is. Like, let's not even risk the injury.
Right. But I do feel like- We play horse racing on a spreadsheet.
Yeah, exactly. It's like Moneyball.
It's sabermetrics. Yeah.
But yeah, it's a distressed asset if you buy an injured horse's cum. Yeah.
There's a lot of money that could be made. Could also just be a total bust.
Mm-hmm. No pun intended.
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Who's back of the week? Hank. My who's back of the week? I did have Red Bull.
I did have Bronnie Jr. Oh, wow.
Sorry. It's all right.
I'll power through. My who's back of the week is Chris Brown red bull i did have brawny jr oh wow sorry it's all right i'll power through my who's back the week is chris brown being problematic oh okay he's had himself quite a weekend uh he had a birthday party thrown for him by usher there's a bunch of r&b legends that were there performing you're gonna let another man throw a birthday party for you yeah that's cool That's sus.
But and then and then uh it was probably something really masculine right usher invited tiana taylor who apparently chris brown has beef with they got into a verbal altercation and then chris brown was demanding usher that he kick out tiana taylor he didn't and then the rumor is there's no video evidence of this and all the video evidences of them kind of being buddy, buddy at the party. And Usher didn't seem to be too fucked up.
But there was a rumor that Usher sent his bodyguard to go fuck up Usher. And then today at a music festival, he was fighting with Missy Elliott.
So Chris Brown is just back. He's wilding out.
I never really got like why people, i guess his songs were so good that people were like god yeah he like brutally beat up rihanna yeah yeah no there's like that felt weird always wait is that is that the porn star yeah like he beat the shit out of right and everyone's like really bad but his bangers and but i'm a bad guy it's like you can he's a bad guy i can overlook certain things like we i think as a nation we've agreed to just like talk about michael jackson's bangers more so than the other stuff but with chris brown it's like he doesn't have the body of work to separate the art from the artist and he's also i'm not shocked when a story comes out that he's a bad guy because he's already proven he's a bad guy what are you laughing laughing about with Billy? I didn't know this singer. Billy heard Tiana and just thinks porn.
Oh, yeah, put that on the bond. No, don't put that on the bond.
Oh, yeah, you did. I didn't know who Tiana Taylor is.
Now I don't. Tiana who? You only know one Tiana and it's a porn star.
You were thinking of what's... There's TT.
You were thinking Tiana Trump? Yeah, it's alliteration. To be fair, he's always thinking about Trump, though.
Yeah, that's true. He's got it on the mind.
Come on. Sesame, who's back? Okay, good.
Who's back? It was at a roller skating rink, too. That's very funny to get your ass kicked outside of a roller skating rink.
Were they on roller skates? We should do a birthday party at a roller skate rink. At a roller skate rink, yeah.
Why not? I don't know how to roller skate. I don't either.
I don't know how to roller skate. We can bring roller blades.
I'm sick at roller. No, I bet you that there's beef there.
I bet that the roller skating rink people are like under no circumstances are blades allowed in the skating rink. Okay, we're going to do our 40th birthday party at a roller blading rink slash bowling alley.
With a petting zoo. Yeah.
In the rink. So you have to dodge donkeys and shit.
And we should charge people like five grand to come to our party. And then we won't show up.
And then we'll have just the money. We should also invite Usher and beat the shit out of him.
We should do a fire fest for our birthday party. Make a shitload of money.
But if we say it before, people can't sue us. No, it's going to be a lot of fraud.
So if you buy a ticket that's on you, we're not coming. $5,000.
Buy it.

It's going to be sick.

Okay.

PFT.

Who's back was going to be the monarchy.

Monarchy's back.

But I'll just say Ed Sheeran.

Ed Sheeran's back.

So a jury ruled in his favor in a lawsuit.

Marvin Gaye's family sued him because one of his songs was definitely a blatant ripoff of Let's Get It On.

I think anybody that ever heard that song was like, oh, yeah, that's just Let's Get It On.

Just with Ed Sheeran doing his whimsical British howling over it.

But the jury ruled in favor of Ed Sheeran because I guess it's tough to prove that the,

or I guess the melody and the lyrics weren't similar enough to Let's Get It On.

But shout out Marvin Gaye's family who's just listening to every single hit song that comes out

and thinking about how that's a ripoff of Marvin Gaye's song from like 30 ago yeah because he did that with robin thick right yeah uh with blurred lines which was a blatant ripoff but marvin gay was that good that there are yes it is i just looked it up because i was like wait his dad's not still alive right he he is dead because that would be extra weird oh if his dad was suing to get the guy killed marvin gay yeah yeah no he died in 1998 okay good that would be extra weird. Oh, if his dad was suing to get money for his- The guy who killed Marvin Gaye? Yeah.
Yeah. No, he died in 1998.
Okay, good. That would have been messy.
Good. I'm glad that his dad was taking everyone to fucking court.
Yeah, that would be- Actually, if he- What the fuck? That sounds like something- Marvin Gaye could have taken them to court if he didn't kill your son. That sounds like something that would happen in the royal family at some point.
Yes. Like you see how- Infanticide followed up by suing your dead prince's opponents.

Yeah, Jake.

Did you see how Ed celebrated?

He was here in the city, hopped on a car, and just did a free concert in Soho.

Oh, hell yeah.

Very cool.

Nice.

It was pretty crazy.

Someday I hope one of us meets Ed Sheeran.

Yeah, that'd be great.

Yeah.

Has anyone?

God willing.

I actually did one time. What? Yeah.
When? Where? I met him. It was 2015 at Sirius Radio.
He was there promoting, I think, his album or whatever, right? And I was also there recording my podcast, The Steam Room, which Charles Barkley stole the name of my podcast, by the way. It's canon.
You can look it up. So me and Ed go into the bathroom at the same time it's serious and we're peeing at stalls next to each other or the urinals next to each other okay you must have been nervous no no i actually let it flow nice like i got i had a powerful it was like a fire hose was there a barrier yeah i think there was a small barrier i didn't corners full i didn't look at his penis could you peek over yeah i probably could have peeked but i'm not a peeker it's like right scout's honor um so plus i tower over him so he was probably more eye level with my penis than i was with him so i just start pissing right just real bad pissing and then ed can't pee he's trying to he's like struggling and i'm pissing so hard he starts doing the thing where he's like spitting into the urinal thinking maybe i'll mistake his spit for the sound of piss.
So long story short, I just pissed. And then I zip everything up.
Ed retreats from the urinal because he got too much bad stage fright trying to piss next. That's fucking wild.
I would like to hear the long. I've known you for like almost a decade.
Never heard. I know.
We learn fun facts about each other all the time. I want to hear the long story long of that one day.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That was.
No, that was because we don't have. We don't have enough tape on the podcast.
Did you pat him on the ass when you left? No, I didn't pat him on the ass. Okay, there's rumors about that.
Billy, you're ruining the bit. It's a stupid question, Billy.
You've never heard this story, Billy? There was rumors that you gave him a pat on the ass, a nice one. No, I did not give him a pat on the ass, no.
Have you heard this story, Billy? No. Wait.
Okay, now you've been to me.

The funny part is there are definitely some people out there that are listening that have not heard the story yet.

Correct.

Of course.

And they don't understand that I've told this story 40 times.

They don't understand the last five minutes of the show.

But it is a true story.

Yeah, no.

He couldn't pee.

Yeah.

I did.

It's wild.

Okay, my Who's Back of the Week is higher education because Justin Fields just graduated college.

So he's ready to go.

Also found out his middle name is Skylar.

Oh, that's kind of cool.

Don't really love that.

Skylar Fields.

Yeah, that feels red flag-ish.

Skylar Fields.

Yeah, I don't know.

JSF.

Look, you can't pick your name, but...

You can change your middle name.

You should have picked, yeah.

You can change your middle name if you want to. So what did he get his degree in? What did he get his degree in? Football.
Yeah. I don't know.
I did look up to try to see if Zach Wilson got a degree, and he did. So I was going to dunk on Billy, but that didn't happen.
What did he get his degree in? Let's see. Justin Fields.
Yeah, he graduated. I like when guys go back.
Family Financial Services. Oh, that's nice financial service that is a good degree yeah good for him so now the the bears are ready to go well counterpoint college you know graduate now he's officially a buckeye quarterback that's true so you can't really run away from that anymore yeah he should have graduated from somewhere else he said yeah if usc yeah if he had gotten his degree from like i don't know northwesternern in the offseason.
So, yeah, congrats to Justin Fields. Very cool.
Billy. I got a couple who's backs.
First one, speaking of Prince Andrew, Epstein's Islands have just gotten bought by Stephen Deardoff, who's going to make it into a hotel and luxury resort. That's not haunted at all.
Yeah. Totally not covering anything up also alabama baseball um brad bohannon was fired because he may have tipped off a dude in cincinnati it seems like he did yeah very much allegedly just throwing that out there it seems pretty yeah i mean he got fired and i think the other guy might be in jail yeah because they text messages yeah while he was in the casino yeah not good uh no one knew he was going to bench the stars for a game against lsu which got blown out by but someone put like a six-figure bet on it uh and then last but not wait i have one thing i want to go back to the first one epstein's island i don't there needs to be now epstein pedophile pedophiles bad what is the word for people who are obsessed with pedophiles pedophile files yeah because there is like a group of people online yeah that are like i yes if there were some salacious things where you know when it all came out i watched the documentary everything but at this point it feels like people are like google alerts for anything epstein related yeah it sounds like you might be on one of these lists no i didn I didn't know the island sold.
Wait, you're saying Billy or me? No, no, no. I'm saying like...
You are telling people like, hey, maybe we should just chill out with all the investigators. I see how that comes to...
There is some crazy shit that they're hiding from people. Really, I'm talking about Billy and Dante.
It's really who I'm talking about. Dante tweets about it just gets clicks in place yeah Billy I just want to say for the record I hope you discover all the truth yeah anybody that's ever flown into that island before I want you to get their names and I want you to broadcast it's a pizza gate guy he would be the pedophile file where he's so obsessed with like finding pedophiles that he goes to a pizza store and it's like they have kids locked and a lot of times the pedophile files end up just becoming pedophiles right exactly there's definitely a weird like thing where it's like if your main hobby online is hunting pedophiles go outside touch grass look look at all the sick stuff that they did i wrote up a long description of everything that happened on that island but i do understand how the way i broached that topic definitely put a target on me that's fine i could deal with that release the list uh also i should make a list of pedophile files yeah so i'm a pedophile file file pedophile i'm obsessed with the people who are obsessed with people who are pedophiles.
Yep.

That might be.

No, that's not Chris.

You could just go with pedophans.

Pedophans.

Yeah, pedophans would be good.

Yeah.

No.

No, I think that's just watching the Little League World Series. Dude, it gets clicks.

Also, horse trainers, Safi Joseph Jr. was banned after two of his horses died within like three days at Churchill Downs earlier this week.

He got banned from the Kentucky Derby. Too many horses died horses died yeah which is nuts because he's probably shooting them up with some crazy shit they're just basically like they died after the races this guy brought the vibes down so uh you're done man no but like whatever he definitely allegedly shot him up with something that like made them go run so hard they just died right after listen it's it's i love horse racing it's not good santa nita had a bunch of this a few years ago it's it it is not good just figure out a fucking way to not have to kill the horses yeah i think maybe just figure out a way to kill him like two weeks after the kentucky derby yeah like just put him in a coma the fact that happened during this week is really, if we're really going to nail down the issue.

Because you don't hear about horses that die at tracks

during the rest of the year.

What you could do is you could just, like,

you could shoot them up with whatever it is that kills them

and then just weaken to Bernie's the horses

and just have, like, four guys lifting their hooves up,

walking them out of the bar.

This horse is totally okay.

We're taking them back to the horse hotel. No, this horse is just such a competitor.
It doesn't even feel any of the pressure of the Kentucky Derby. Ice in the veins.
If they body doubled horses, they should. Every horse should have a body double.
They're like, this is totally Barbaro. Put A-Rod in one of the barns.
I bet on two fills, and that was the worst loss gambling-wise. My son picked two fills as well.
He wanted the blue one. He almost got it.
He kept on that. It was heartbreaking, too, because he's like, the blue one's winning, right? And I was like, it is.
And then at the end, he was like, did the blue one win? I was like, nope. I got a crazy tip in a gambling group chat that a mobster died, and the last thing on his deathbed said was bet on two fills.
That's kind of awesome, though. Yeah.
Also two online. Yeah.
I'm way too online. When I die, I want to leave a hot gambling tip for somebody.
Just because, like, what if it wins? Yeah. You'd be a legend forever.
I thought that was it. Yeah.
Fucking mage came out of nowhere. I bet mage is drugs on drugs.
I want him drug tested. I'm going to get a gambling tip tattooed on my body for right before I die.
Yeah. Okay.
Legend. Jake.
My Who's Back. It's just a PSA.
My Who's Back's mom's. It's Mother's Day.
Oh, yeah. I'm reminding all the AWLs to take care of their moms.
Careful, Jake. Yeah.
Take good care. Yeah.
Get a gift. It is.
Mother's Day does sneak up. Exactly.
Because it's always Father's Day. You know, once Mother's Day hit, you're like, Father's Day's got to be coming.
Yeah. But Mother's Day does sneak up.
It's a good PSA. Just a heads up.
Does it feel like it's early this year? No. It's never too early for mom's big cat.
That's true. Yeah.
There's no worse feeling because there's definitely been some years where I've like turned on an MLB game. I'm like, why the fuck got pink bats? Yeah.
Pussies. I shit it's Mother's Day yep I forgot that yeah so good call Jake that's a very good PSA Jake what how are you feeling about the heat overall I feel solid I mean again at this point like we said three weeks ago it was like who cares because it's heat bowls and it's like they're gonna lose to the bucks but I'm all way back in now.
I'm obviously not living and dying as much as Max and Hank here, but I'm along for the ride, and he's going to enjoy it. Jake winning the Stanley Cup and the Larry O'Brien trophy.
And not caring. And just fighting and all for everyone.
These guys are diehards. I'm not going to sit here and be like, yeah.
No, you're Yankees and Dolphins are your one, too, right? I mean, yeah, but even now, like, I don't know, as I get deeper into this, you're such a journalist.

It's like, I just don't want to.

You're right.

This show, we try to keep our bias aside.

Yeah.

So like, yeah, obviously I root for them, but I'm not going to probably won't lose sleep over any teams anymore.

Yeah.

I think I've changed my mind.

I think I would instead of seeing heat Celteltics i would rather see jake against max

because max i think jake's calm demeanor would make max so much more angry that he's not getting any any shit back from him but jake beating hank it might be rock paper scissors you know i'm saying what do you mean one beats one oh jake beats hank hank beats max jake beats hank yeah and LeBron wins the title and we all lose.

Yeah.

That would suck.

That would be awful.

That would suck. That would be awful.
That would suck. If that happened, should we quit the podcast? I wouldn't mind LeBron winning.
I would. Oh, don't.
All right. Listen.
I thought about that, too. If the Sixers lose, I'm going all in on the Lakers.
Oh, you fuck. Oh, yeah.
You fuck. Oh, yeah.
You fuck you. You fuck you.
You fuck you. Yeah, you guys having three out of the four teams in the East, like, I will personally.
And memes. And memes.
Four for four. Four for four.
I will personally take it out on any of the four of you that gets to the finals if LeBron wins. Just so you know.
That'll be on you. That'll be your fault.
Yeah, I mean, the Bulls made the postseason.

They didn't actually.

It doesn't exist.

It doesn't exist in the records.

They made the non-regular season.

Yeah, they did not make the postseason officially.

Okay, let's get to Michael Davies.

Oh, another quick who's back of the week.

NHL.

The lottery.

Yeah.

The lottery, I think it's tonight, isn't it? Yeah. Monday night.
Conor connor bedard the bedard sweepstakes blackhawks have the third best odds it's gonna change some i kind of hope that if he doesn't go to the caps i wouldn't mind seeing him go to the black where are the caps odds i think they're like five percent okay so crazier things would have like it'd be be bedarded but it could happen yeah i was gonna say going to say, you're going to make a black-eyed peas.

Yep.

Yeah, someone will cheat that the minute that the lottery gets decided.

Now, the fun fact, the lottery machine for the NHL is why I bought this

and why Hank's life is in front.

Hank, who do you think is going to win the NHL lottery?

Oh, can you get it?

Can you get it right?

The Blackhawks.

Okay, nice.

Now, we're definitely not.

We're definitely not.

I can't believe they don't televise that portion.

No, they do. For the NBA? Oh, no, no.
For the NHL, they do. Yes.
Oh, they do? Yeah, that's why I bought it, because everyone thought it was rigged, because one of the balls went up weird. And it is.
And I was like, I was like, I need one. Because the NBA, they always show the room, but they never show the live drama the live draw.
No, I know. The giant envelope.
Yeah. Okay.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest. I believe, yeah, you have been on.
It's been a while. It is Michaelael davies our old uh friend producer of barstool van talk but now he somehow has parlayed barstool van talk into jeopardy how did you do i mean jeopardy masters coming out may 8th um did you put barstool van talk on your resume when uh when you when you're trying to get this job as executive producer of jeopardy masters oh it's permanently on my resume it can't be deleted is this the second episode of barstool van talk i mean technically it could be yes yeah you were you were on episode two we we taped that full interview with you in the back of the van that never made it to air but i think i was heavily drunk because i don't remember being bundled into the back of the van but if you say it happened it happened yeah wow r.i.p bar store van talk yeah jeopardy van talk that would be a that would be um yeah jeopardy masters uh thank you dan that is uh goes on the air next monday may.
The greatest Jeopardy players alive playing against each other over 10 episodes to see who's going to be the Jeopardy master. Ooh.
So who is it? Who are the competitors? Because I am a casual Jeopardy fan. Jeopardy is one of those shows that I love when I stumble upon it, but then I feel incredibly stupid watching it and not getting any of the answers correct.
So I know Ken Jennings. Actually, that surprises me.
I thought you had actually been a pretty good Jeopardy player. No.
No. The six Jeopardy masters.
Well, the host is Ken Jennings, who is the GOAT. He's the greatest Jeopardy player of all time, won the most consecutive episodes.
Then you have James Holtzauer.

He's won a lot of episodes straight.

I think he's won more money on the show than anyone in recent memory.

Superb player from Las Vegas,

professional gambler,

a man after your own, after your own desires.

I would say Amy Schneider,

who came from that classic season 38,

Amy Schneider,

Matt Amodio,

two of the biggest winners from that season.

Mateo Roach, who won 23 straight games at the age of 23, arguably the best young player

in the world.

Then Andrew He, brilliant, young computer programmer from Northern California.

And rounded out by Sam Buttery, Steve Martin lookalike, an assistant professor at the postgraduate Naval Academy. We have boomers.
We have Gen Xers. We have millennials.
We have something for everyone on Jeopardy Masters. So when you say that Ken Jennings is the GOAT, you said that in a tone that conveys that he's the undisputed GOAT of Jeopardy.
Is there anybody out there that would disagree? Because I know that there are a lot of Jeopardy James fans. I think that Holtzauer is the better player.
I think James Holtzauer would disagree, and he disagrees loudly in every episode, and I think he's desperate for a rematch against Ken. But I think it's a tough argument, Ken having won all those episodes, and when they played a primetime event named GOAT to determine the greatest of all time ken jennings won that against james yeah uh there's so it always people bring up like the buzzer situation that some guys are better than than other contestants at the buzzers that's true you found what's what's the secret to being fast on the buzzer in jeopardy well the buzzer we actually have buzzer data nowpper data.
We've introduced that. So we actually see what's going on with the buzzer.
One thing that we've instantly found at PFT is that everybody complains, oh, I just didn't get in on the buzzer. I didn't get on the buzzer.
And then when we look at the data, we realized that they weren't actually buzzing in. So the first secret to the buzzer is you actually have to buzz in.
That's a very big thing. And also it's a lockout system.
So the buzzer doesn't open up. You can't buzz in until the final word has been read on the clue.
And so you have to be patient. You can't go in too early.
You've got to wait for that moment and then buzz in so that you're not locked out. I would definitely be one of those people that complained that the buzzer just wasn't working for me and I wasn't buzzing in at all.
And I'm and i'm sure one thing that you've learned uh on this job firsthand that we've just had like a small taste of because we have our own trivia league here at barstool a dozen that we compete in is uh trivia fans are unique they're very passionate they're weirdos but they're very passionate and they care a lot have you had was there an adjustment period where you were like wow these people care way more about the game show than even i thought that i did look i've worked in trivia for a lot of my career when i wasn't working on barstool van talk i produced some uh some other quiz shows so i did millionaire i did espn's two minute drill world series of pop culture win ben stein's money a bunch of shows so i've been around the trivia nerd for a long time and they sort of there are three kinds right there's the the people who just have read everything seen every movie they know everything forever those are the purebloods you then have the people who are the really biggest nerds who just have learned trivia in order to be good at trivia those are the mudbloods and then you've got the halfbloods the people who know like a bunch of stuff but then have done a lot of revision on the side so there is three different flavors of nerds jeopardy attracts the entire world of them so what about the nerds that we deal with uh the everyone is cheating all the time uh people because that's that's what we deal with when we do our trivia show and jeff d low a fantastic job, but there's a group of people who just assume the worst of everyone, and every answer, they're like, no way he got that. He was looking at his computer.
He was doing this. Those are the people PFT was alluding to that maybe take a little too seriously sometimes.
Yeah, look, 110,000 people apply to be on Jeopardy every year. We take about 400 about 400 of them that's a 0.36 acceptance rate harvard is at four percent uh jeopardy is pretty hard to get on to it's tough to cheat your way on like i think that maybe you just need to make your show way more competitive to get on yeah that's a good point yeah that's probably that's definitely true actually has there ever been a cheating scandal a contestant? You know, it's interesting because when you're asking the question, I was thinking about that.
I mean, years ago, and this has been something that, you know, there have been, you know, we've just launched this History of Jeopardy podcast and it's been something we've looked into. You know, there was a contestant who had appeared on multiple game shows under different names, but there's no suggestion that she ever cheated in any way.
She just wasn't under the same name or, you know, on every single show. So I don't think we've ever had a cheating schedule.
I think Jeopardy would be very, very difficult to cheat on. Yeah.
You'd have to find out all the answers to the clues or all the questions to the answers. Yeah, it would be maybe.
Yeah, it would be very, very hard. Yeah, maybe drug tests.
Make sure no one's on Adderall. I don't know.
I probably wouldn't disqualify anybody for being on Adderall. I got a dumb question about Jeopardy because you like you said, you have the history of Jeopardy podcast.
We ever run out of trivia questions. Well, with a Writers Guild strike about to be called you know within 24 hours dan that that question is is is pretty appropriate yeah i mean it it's tough to i mean i think it's remarkable what the writers do how they continue to find categories they continue to find things to write about because jeopardy has enormous range on a daily basis yeah so it's it's very hard to like figure it all out it all starts with a blank page but you know while the world's still you know it's kind of like you know will you ever run out of things to talk about on pardon my take you know while the world still has stuff happening in it on a daily basis there will probably always be you know information and places and names and things to talk about that's true we're making trivia right now as we speak yeah yeah there you go yeah uh the day that hank gets the lottery ball correct that's when we just completely run out of topics to talk about on the show yes yes it'd be a dark day yes your career is uh fascinating you you've been in television for what 30 years now 30 plus longer yeah 34 years so who wants to be a millionaire you mentioned you've worked with incredible you know you've worked with jerry seinfeld with jimmy kimmel uh all these different shows you've you've you know bravo the andy cohen show is out of your offices in uh in chelsea or soho um what is the one job that you were like this is the show we put it out there and i really think it

should have hit but right time right place whatever it may be wow the one that got away yeah good question well by the way i'm i know that this question was not self-serving no it was not no i'll still barstall van tork was going to be a hit oh no way oh okay all right good answer good answer it was going to be a hit TV show. And, uh, you know, as I poured over the, uh, 18 to 34 demo results of that first episodes, you know, that was a hit TV show.
So that was the one that got away. I don't think anything else.
I mean, I've had some things that I would, I would regard as critical hits, like world series of pop culture. I thought it was, uh, one of the best, you know, quiz shows i ever made that didn't really work um or didn't last beyond two years espn's two minute drill you know similar but you know i've been pretty fortunate most of the other stuff you know comedians in cars andy cohen you know who wants to be a millionaire win ben stein's money this stuff has has has worked jeopardy is the first time i've been given a show that i didn't have to sort of you know develop from scratch yeah i mean barstool van talk as well i was i was given that show you walked into my office and you you gave me the chance to do that but on the whole we have to sort of develop everything from scratch and so you know a lot goes wrong before it gets on the air jumping back to to vanTalk real quickly, because we did work pretty closely on that show.
And I still remember, in fact, we have video evidence of the second that me and Big Cat were informed that the show was getting canceled because I believe we were filming a scene and the cameras kept running. And by the way, thank God that the cameras were running because, you know, capturing a moment like that is just priceless.
I'm glad that we have documentation of it i'm curious to know when did you find out that the show was getting kids did

you find out before we got word or did you find out when skipper released that statement do you

know when you just were setting up that question i was trying to remember like what happened i have

no memory that's you know part of the fact of advancing age and the fact that you know i wasn't

being shot at the same time was it me who called you i doubt it was erica no erica called yeah and that just shows it was a traumatic experience for you too your mind has blocked that out yeah i mean i feel like i heard from espn but i'm trying to remember who our executive at espn would have been on the, on the, on the show. Yeah.
I think Erica probably was dealing with, with the ESPN folks and, and everything that was unfolding there more than I was. Yeah.
I was in, I was in shock about, I got to tell you, that is one of the, there's very little that's happened in my career that has really surprised me. That was a situation where I was just thoroughly surprised because it it was just the situation was just sort of spinning out of all of our control we were just making a show and trying to like make it well and there was a whole other situation going on that was like difficult to process i remember feeling absolutely terrible for you guys i mean you were just sort of you you were you were silent and stunned yeah yeah it sucked in the moment in the moment there was no worse feeling and then we we went out right afterwards we walked out of nbc row and we went down uh somewhere in the west village and had some beers together and somebody brought up the point like if you look at this from if you zoom out a little bit and you realize that we worked so hard to get a show on espn and you know growing up i know speaking for myself i used to watch espn all the time and sports center was a daily thing of mine that it was appointment television and getting a show on espn i thought at one time when i was a kid was like the ultimate goal of anybody in sports media and then we work so hard we get there and then it And then it's canceled after one episode.
If you zoom out, that's very funny. That was a very funny circumstance that we were put into.
So if you kind of like look at it that way, and you're able to appreciate how ridiculous the circumstance was, it's funny that it happened that way. And in retrospect, we can certainly look back and be like, yeah, that kind of rocks that we're there for.
We're the bad boys and we're too hot for ESPN too. Well, also, yeah, it's added to the myth and the comedy that is your podcast and is the Pardon My Take brand.
It's almost better for you. It's almost as though you fix that to happen, that you made it get canceled after one episode.
Yeah. Some of our biggest successes are in our biggest failures.
Yeah. No, it is true though true though because it always we were bummed in the moment and i should say too jake just sent us this tweet to our group text uh you had our back which we do appreciate we never said thank you for but after it all happened you said there's no entity in the world of sports that can stop the part of my take guys from becoming massive long-term true talent always wins.
So you treated that right after, which we did never thank you. So thank you because we were getting shit on by the entire world, and there were very few people who had our back, and you did in that moment.
But in reality, like getting canceled in that way was actually – if we had done an entire season and they're like, the ratings you guys suck that feels so different to have it be uh you know a situation where it gets taken from us after one episode we can kind of play the what if forever and we in our minds we can play it out as a success and who knows if it would have been or not and how important is failure when it to, I know that everybody's been talking a lot about failure in sports after Giannis' comments, you know, after getting eliminated from the playoffs, but, you know, failure is also really important. That's why I do think there is failure in sports because you need failure to inform success.
How many great, you know, talents who we've worked with in this business have failed first before they've succeeded. And you need to sort of feel that.
I just look back at my career, Regis Philbin was, you know, talents who we've worked with in this business have failed first before they've succeeded. You need to sort of feel that.
I just look back at my career. Regis Philbin was, you know, he's someone who failed spectacularly for decades before millionaire happened to him.
And it, it, it made it so much sweeter for him, you know, and, you know, I was talking with Carl Brandt the other day from good morning football, another one of, of, of, of our shows. And, you know, Kyle talks about like And Kyle talks about being on the real world in his career and where it all goes before he ends up becoming successful.
So you kind of need those. It's almost good to have it, even if you absolutely didn't deserve it.
The great thing is there isn't a lot of great talent. There aren't a lot of people who are really good.
And so that's why I was very confident you're always going to succeed.

Okay, so going off of that, one thing that I hate that successful people do is they basically ignore all the luck that comes in their career.

Because we've had a million lucky bounces to say like, oh, yeah, it's just hard work and we're just – no, no.

Luck has a lot to do with where you get in life uh bounce here bounce there what would be your lucky break or the moment that you were like oh that that worked out my way and that kind of propelled me to do other things well moving to america would be like a major thing i would never be successful in britain really just wouldn't have been there was something about something about America that the environment worked for me. So I'd say moving to America was a massive part of it.
And, you know, being a younger brother of an older brother who moved to America first and went into the entertainment business never helped me get a job in the entertainment business, but showed me that I could, you know, I grew up wearing the same hand-me-downs as him. So I always thought that if, you know, I play tennis, he played tennis.
I grew up in South London. He grew up in South London.
Oh, he's gone to Hollywood and he's become a successful screenwriter. I can certainly go out there and produce nonfiction television.
Right. So that was sort of the most overwhelming luck.
That's a good answer. I got hired at Disney when I was 25 was 25 that at a very good time long before they bought abc bought espn i i i got a job at a company that was growing i was laughing the um rog my partner on men in blazers who you know well another friend of part of part of my take he just interviewed the the guy who's come in to go and be the new head of uh u.s soccer and he was talking about about the search for the new manager to, you know, presumably replace Greg Berhalter.
And he was saying that he's looking for a legacy manager on the way up. And everybody is like, Oh, amazing.
Getting a manager on the way up. What a great idea rather than a manager, uh, on the way down.
And we always, um, but I do think that there is something about joining a company that is in the process of growth yeah i didn't know it at the time i had no idea i was taking the only available job to me working at disney at that time but joining a company that was about to grow incredibly that was a very fortunate break as well that's a great point because it is like even barstool for us like the time that we started a podcast in the company we started it at, like all those things don't they don't happen if they're not those lucky bounces in like right place, right time.

Because the growth of a company is it's when everyone's got that energy and everyone's working really hard and it's it becomes everyone's like passion in life.

You can't really replicate it once you get to the top and you get to a big, big company and things are more bureaucratic. Yeah.
It's probably the simplest piece of career advice I give to younger people when they come to me is they go into industries that are growing and try to join companies that are on the way up that are growing. Right.
You know, tough time to go into um cable television right now right yeah yes i i

was reading a story earlier that you you work closely or you got to you got to know merv griffin

a little bit as you were working alongside him i only know merv from having his name pop up and

the logo pop up at the end of shows i have no idea what kind of guy was what he was about how

hands-on he was with all these game shows and all these shows that he created and produced and brought along the way. What is Merv Griffin, the human being, like? And what can you tell us about how hands-on he was in developing all these legendary shows that he was a part of? It's a shame because you would have loved Merv Griffin.in number one most important merv griffin fact he made his fortune his big hit song was um i think it was called i've got a lovely bunch of coconuts yeah this is a hit song which i feel like that sort of would play in the barstool van talk sort of theme world i don't sort of think it would be a nice little thing i think you could you could you could sort of make a new version of that on your guitar bft but it's a uh he sort of made his fortune then he sort of ended up being a very successful talk show host from a griffin show um and you know he's both an entertainer he knew the rat pack he knew all those guys and just um then started creating tv shows and him and his wife created jeopardy and wheel of fortune in the space of you know weeks and wrote the music um which still makes that family you know a lot of money to this day and they created a show when we watched the original pilot from 1964 recently and the pilot is almost identical to the show that we make today wow it was just created from scratch just perfectly um and merv i was lucky enough to work for him when i first moved to la when i was about 24 years old um worked on a couple of game shows for him worked in development for him and so going back to jeopardy now is sort of full circle uh to sort of working for merv early in my career yeah that's incredible that we used to go to lunch at the uh he used to own the beverly hilton hotel and we used to go to lunch and um the waiter would come to the table and say may i take your order sir and uh merv would go and he'd write something down in a notebook

and three weeks later you'd watch wheel of fortune and the puzzle would come up and it would be may

I take your order sir he was still like writing so everything that was said in his company uh

ended up sort of getting on the show that's that's kind of what we were saying about like

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This,

you may not have a great answer for this,

but I'm, I'm very curious.

You've been so successful in the TV world.

Do you think,

you know what people want better than what they know,

what they want?

Like the old Vince McMahon,

like I know what you want more than you know what you want. Like I can i can script this don't tell me i'm wrong like do you know the psychology of americans and what we want to watch on tv and how much does that play into when you're building a tv show or taking a show like jeopardy i don't think i do at all um i think i focus on to that i do understand a lot about the history of American television when I moved here and I wasn't American I felt like I had to understand more about the history of American television than anybody else to even deserve to work in it so I do understand television history I understand where it's gone on usually I ask myself two questions one, do I really believe in the talent of the people I'm working with? And so, you know, hence, you know, when you see an Andy Cohen or Jimmy Kimmel or Katie Nolan or you guys, it's like, wow, this person is so talented.
I have to work with them. I believe they have a preternatural ability to communicate, to look down the lens and communicate with the audience and have something to say.
So I kind of feel like I know talent when I see it. And I usually know what I want to produce, but that's a long way away from thinking something was going to be a hit.
Who wants to be a millionaire? I really, everybody says, oh, how did you know that was going to be a hit? I didn't know it was going to be a hit at all. In fact, I'd lined up a job for myself.
The first run was 13 days and i lined up a job for myself starting you know on the 14th day because i had no idea it was going to work can i give you just a little piece of advice new game show who wants to be a billionaire whoa just just step it up yeah whoa is right that's that's the reaction that everybody would have jimmy kimmel pitched me to do Be a Millionaire, but it's with billionaires, and they put up their billion on, and when they lose, they end up going down to a million. Ooh, I'd watch that.
Yeah, I'd watch that. I would also watch a show that was developed by a guy from England that is brand new to the United States, had never visited, and they had to create a TV show for Americans just based on what they thought of Americans.
It's just all like, like beer, fast food, hamburgers music. Yeah.
Hamburgers. Yeah.
These fat slobs would love this show. I would watch that.
Yeah. My, one of my friends in college who'd never been to America would write letters to me when I first moved out here and would always ask me, how are things in the land of hip hop and the hamburger? And that's really all he knew of the United States at that point.
And phrases like, you look like a million bucks. Yeah.
I love when English people do the American accent. They're like, let's go have a cheeseburger.
We have troops here. Yeah.
Burger. I got a question about question about about jeopardy and the transition that it went through yeah just a couple years ago do you get the sense that if aaron rogers had been offered the full-time job hosting jeopardy he would have taken it i mean that was before my time so i wasn't there um but i think that from all accounts he was and is so passionate

about the program and had clearly when i watched his episodes he'd clearly studied i mean obviously

he's a guy who can study a playbook but he clearly had studied alex trebek and um you know was really

good at it so i think he wanted the job that would save you like a couple years of consternation there big cat yeah it would have been very nice if he had gotten out of my life yeah what would have been your opinion oh i was i was i was i was like commenting on every single one of his posts for a year there being like hey man i know that like football hasn't been great to you like jeopardy is a great spot like build your legacy like look at alex trebek he's a so that he wouldn't be the bears anymore that was yeah that was your sole focus totally selfish for me just didn't want him to beating the bears every single year so i i'm happy now though it all worked out uh let's talk about some sports your soccer team sucks uh yeah but they're entertaining okay that's good that's good well not the team sorry the team this is chelsea football club they're not entertaining but their new owner has come in with a pledge to double the revenues and make it worth billions and billions of dollars and is is doing that mainly by spending money he's very good on the supply side not so good on the demand side and um it's entertaining to watch them go down in flames yeah so this season has been a a failure how do you feel going forward because it was you know the the for people who don't know chelsea had an owner a russian oligarch obviously uh with the war in ukraine all their like they got frozen out he had to sell the team you now have a new owner an american owner which yeah i feel like american owners don't do great with english premier league i feel like that well they own so many teams at this point i don't think you can say that that's true that's true that is true they have basically have they have pretty much every team yeah so uh like what like, what's the future of Chelsea looking like?

Because Chelsea was, you know, you guys won, what, a couple in a row?

Like, you were on fire.

Chelsea have won more.

Chelsea, as I say, in the Men in Blazers era, Chelsea have won more than almost anyone.

So, yeah, it's been good.

We've won a couple of Champions Leagues, won a bunch of Premier League titles, a bunch of other trophies.

Yeah, I mean, Chelsea do have this habit of either being brilliant and winning it all or being horrible and finishing mid-table. This year, they look to even finish, they look like they're going to finish lower than mid-table and they've been terrible.
They don't actually score goals. I mean, soccer, you know, for many Americans is low scoring at the best of times.
We were talking about this on the podcast today, Roger and I, Chelsea just had their goal of the month award for April. Chelsea scored one goal in April.
So their goal of the month was literally their goal of the month. And it was scored on a deflection from Connor Gallagher in a game that they lost, of course.
So yeah, it's been an absolutely terrible season. On the other side side we have bought almost every young player in world football and signed them to massive long-term contracts so many players that i think we've got more than 30 players in the first team they couldn't fit them all in the dressing room they couldn't fit them in the locker room um and it's just been chaos behind the scenes i sort of think with that amount of money they will work work it out and they will get better.
But the Premier League has become intensely competitive. I don't know where your football loyalties are lying these days.
I know that Dave has become a Tottenham fan, which is shocking in so many ways. Yes.
He did not know the history of Tottenham when he joined up with them. I watched his video from this morning after their 4-3 loss to Liverpool, and I think that was the whole theme of the videos.
Nobody told him that it was going to be like that. Yes, exactly.
So, yeah, it's tough. I mean, for most of the teams in the Premier League, it is just a disaster.
My poor partner in pod, Roger, has the game going on right now, Everton against Leicester. And the team that lose this game are likely to be relegated and may never, ever get back into the Premier League.
Yeah. Yeah.
How does that work? If you are born and raised in England and you've got a team that's in the championship, that's the second division. And you're a fan of that team.
Are you also a supporter of a team that's in the EPL? Do they have split allegiances? Yeah, very often. I mean, when I left Britain in 1989, Chelsea were in the second division.
What was the championship was the second division. And I would just cheer for any English team if they made it into Europe, if they made it into European competition.
But, yeah, there are lots of complicated things. I'm from South London.
I come from closer to Crystal Palace. A great friend of mine ended up buying Crystal Palace Football Club.
So I sort of have two Premier League clubs. Plus today I was very happy.
Plymouth Argyle,le owned by another american promoted from league one to the championship um and sort of always had a soft spot for plymouth argyle my whole life as well so that's a great team name oh our god i said on the pod today we see so many scs sporting scs and fcs in america why have we not seen an argyle yeah argyle roger said maybe phoenix argyle that's quite a good uh team name should be north carolina it should be north carolina should have a team so they can match the uh the unc colors yeah oh that's good yeah yeah argyle i did help name hartford athletic um because charlton athletic is a big team uh in south london and a friend of mine brought Hartford, the USL team, and I called them Hartford Athletic. And I think that's a more exotic team name in the US.
But an Argyle would really be strong. Yeah.
I like to mess with Argyle Troops here, who's a massive Arsenal fan. And I tell him that West Ham is my team that I support in the EPL.
And then in the FA Cup, I'm an Arsenal fan. And then in the Champions League, that's when I root for Man City in the Champions League.
So it depends on the tournament entirely. That's excellent.
Yeah. And I'm still probably not enjoying his end of season with Arsenal.
No, no. And I'm still stuck with Swansea, who may never get back up.
Yeah. Was that? I can't remember.
I know you're an owner. Yeah, I am an owner.
I am an owner, yeah. You are an owner.
Yeah. But there was that moment where, you know, the great Bob Bradley went over there and coached Swansea.
I'm sure, like, fermented your American interest in the team. Yeah, I think I've told you this before, but it makes me, like, probably every, I don't know, like eight months, I'll start getting tweets out of nowhere about Swansea.
I'll be like, what's going on? And then I'll look into it and it'll be like some message board will be like, you know, Liverpool has LeBron and we got this fat podcaster like that. No one knows.
And it's like, I, when I tell you I own 0.000001%, I think that's actually overestimating it. So they think I have control of anything.
I do not. I would like them to go back up, but it's hard.
It does feel like the entire English soccer has gotten so, so good and so, so competitive. Do you sort of feel sometimes that you showed Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney the way to go with Wrexham? You led them into Wales.
Yes. And all of their success is really because of your trailblazing work with Swansea.
I think so. And I think Mindy Kaling might own some of Swansea.
She gets a lot of shit, too. It hasn't gone great.
I'll say it right now. It hasn't gone great.
So I hope they come back up. Are we going to get a Super League in because we were we're pro super league as a podcast oh you are yeah great that that must be a really popular view amongst uh amongst your your your fans of the premier league uh your english audience oh you know you're the name super league yeah we just like super league sounds great name who wouldn't it's it's the super league like there's nothing better than the super league and you obviously know us very well.
Yeah, it's part of the Marvel universe. Right.
And if we can find an angle to piss off the most people, fly into a debate and decide we're going to really strongly argue for one side that will make everyone mad, Super League. I mean, there's nothing better than it's literally in the name.
It's the side note uh gerald piquet was a great um great spanish footballer mostly known for uh i think being in a relationship with shakira but he started something called the king's league and in the king's league they have a they have a mystery player who comes on blindfolded or with a sort of a a mask on who you don't know who it is but it's meant to be a famous spanish player who's not meant to be playing in the king's league but plays in the king's league see for me the super league needed more more ideas like that it needed ideas that would bust the old idea of of of of soccer they should have they should have played it under different rules there should have been fighting aloud there should have should have been... I love those videos when you see from Japan where you see three Japanese football professionals playing against 100 Japanese schoolchildren.
I think that would have been great Super League action. They should have been a team just with 100 Japanese schoolchildren going against the teams.
Then I would have been more into it. What they should have done, they should have had the players wear helmets and then you all have to line up across from each other and then you can also have a forward pass and it's kind of like there's a rugby try zone but those are worth six points yeah okay and then you can kick for the extra point that would have been a good what would you call that what would you call that game oh it's called football yeah oh football yeah it's still called football yeah.
Oh, football. Yeah.
It's still called football. Yeah.
We're not changing the name. We're not reinventing the wheel.
Do you know why, by the way, football is called football? Because it's the best game ever? I don't know. Yeah.
No, it's because sports in the 19th century were only played by gentlemen, and they were only played by gentlemen on horseback. So there was falconry and equestrian sports and polo.
And when they would ride back from their polo match and they'd ride back across the countryside, they would only join cavalry regiments where they could ride horses. They would ride back from their polo matches or from their cavalry outings, and they would look down from upon their horses on the peasants running or kicking a pigskin bladder around the little villages.
And they would call those sneeringly football games played by men on foot infantry men so all games of football i think what you're trying to say pft is all games of football are somewhat related because they are working class peasant games that are sneered upon by the gentry that's exactly what i was getting that's more eloquently than i did

but that's what that's what i was getting at also the super league if they really wanted to keep the game just you know okay we'll keep it like soccer but just make the goals worth more that way it's got the illusion so it's like three points for a goal yeah wow that's great chelsea then would have um chelsea would have had six points this season instead of uh instead of just one huge So wait, is the Super League going to happen?

Because it does feel a little similar to Live Golf, where it's like we heard the rumblings. Everyone's like, no, it's not going to happen.
It's not going to happen. Then it happened.
I just can't believe that these guys that have more money than God had an idea, got it shot down, and they're like, oh, yeah, we'll listen to the people. We won't do this again.
I mean, the equation is difficult because you're right. On the one side, you've got sovereign wealth, nation states, and hedge funds owning all of the teams, and they don't like the pyramid of football where you can get relegated and go out of it.
So that's the one side. So wealth wanting more money, they want to have a super league of the biggest teams in Europe and the world playing against each other in the biggest markets, including America.
And on the other side, you have FIFA and UEFA, two almost James Bond villain-like global organizations that exist to control football worldwide and keep it in its individual regions and ultimately who is more corrupt i think is and that's difficult and on a on a on a weekly basis i can argue one side of that equation is more corrupt and more powerful than the other side of the equation what gets lost in the middle is unfortunately and always the sports fan right um But look if there were a super league um it would destroy the fabric of football and yet it would still be pretty good that so that's that those unfortunately the moral arguments you keep on having to go to when you watch sport qatar was an absolutely terrible place to have a world cup they never should have got a world cup did i watch yes was it pretty good yes it was pretty good yeah that's that so we're we just just to pull the curtain back we are not actually pro super league we like the way it works because fans like the idea that there's relegation and promotion and these stories that you get are so fantastic and it's what the the climb of being a sports fan and why you put in all those hours that's like it's the beauty of the sport. So we don't want the Super League.
But we also, as sports fans, know if there was a Super League game on, we'd watch it. And that, unfortunately, is like our Achilles heel that I think these super powerful rich guys know that if they put the two best teams on a Wednesday night, the whole world's going to watch.
Yeah. And that's sort of what happens.
And the market changes for sport. And I think over the last 10, 20 years, certainly since the evolution of the internet and high standards in training, all these things, the world has got smaller and we're all watching the same sports.
It was inconceivable, I'm sure to you too, that you would be even knowing what's happening in the premier league having a boss that's like making videos about the premier league like it's a it's it's a really odd thing the world is getting smaller the sports world is getting smaller everybody wants to watch the same things they want to watch the best in the world and yes it will continue and while there's huge amounts of money in the sport the free market will march inexorably on but. But then there's FIFA and UEFA who control everything, who are going to who are going to try to make it very difficult.
Yeah. So I kind of know the story about why the Super League didn't end up happening this most recent time.
But I think that there's a big difference between European sports fans and American sports fans in terms of how they react to a situation like that. So if a team, if an NFL team moves, the city, they fight to keep it best that they can.

But there's no massive public demonstration or outrage or anything like that.

In Europe, the fans were very vocal and held giant demonstrations that somewhat swayed

what the future of the sport was going to look like.

What do you think the difference is between European sports fans or I guess just English

sports fans in general and American sports fans?

Thank you. dissuade what what the future of the sport was going to look like what do you think the difference is between european sports fans or i guess just english sports fans in general and american sports fans i mean look i think one of the things is is honestly you have to understand and only when when you go to europe do you realize how small it is and one of the big things we hear from from american premier league fans who go over and and and watch these teams play is they cannot believe how the stadiums are literally built into little you know little parts of the city literally surrounded by terraced housing on every single size and i know that there are you know there are american sports teams who find themselves in downtown locations but these sports teams are literally in the middle of neighborhoods is where they've they've put these teams they're not built on the outskirts of town with decent parking and a Bojangles chicken just through the turnstiles.
They are literally sitting in community. They are community clubs who over the course of more than 100 years have become in the Premier League or elite sides.
so I think the communities as there's been this globalization and as the whole game has changed and the TV rights internationally are worth so much and these teams have fans all over the world, I think people in the communities feel a great dissonance with how they follow their teams. Look, Manchester United are good again this season.
They are winning and literally have protests at every single one of their games against their american owners even as they have found a way to get back and win games i like i'm in the light aircraft rental industry around premier league football games the number of people who rent light aircraft and fly them over games with banners it's been very good for the light aircraft banner towing industry uh the number of protests that are held by fans yeah um all right

so michael davies has been awesome i have one last question everyone go watch jeopardy masters

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My last question is, who wants to be a millionaire? The famous first time that a guy won it, and he called his dad and was like, yeah, so for people who don't know, who wants to be a millionaire was an absolute hit. Like, everyone in America was watching it.
Yeah. Someone finally gets there.
He gets to the last question. He calls his dad, and instead of asking for a lifeline of help on the question, he's like, I'm about to win a million dollars like I know the answer when you're watching that live are you just like fist pumping in in the uh you know truck being like this is the greatest moment of television that I've ever produced it's really worth it the the YouTube clip of John Carpenter winning a million is is is outstanding it was one of the greatest game show flexes of time, like literally pointing the outfield, calling his dad to tell him he's about to win a million dollars.
In reality, what was going on in the control room as that moment was happening is I was trying to figure out, because I thought there was a chance that he was going to win, I was trying to figure out what Regis Philbin was going to say when he won. And Regis didn't wear an earpiece.
He didn't take any cues from cue cards. He had a messaging system in front of him on the computer that I could send him a message that he would occasionally read.
And I knew that this moment when John Carpenter won a million would be shown all around the world because there's no, nobody had reached the question 15, the level 15 on the show. And it was, it exploded in like 15 countries by that point.
And so I knew I had to have Regis say something. And of course we'd rehearsed every single thing on the show, but I hadn't rehearsed the moment that somebody wins a million dollars.
And so I was desperately trying to figure out a way to get Regis how to say a line and figure out what the line should be. And Dennis McMahon, who was our runner at the time, was literally sweeping the control room.
As I said, what is the greatest line in the history of sports that I can have Regis say? Because I knew what it would be in Britain, but in America, I didn't know. And he said, oh, the shot heard around the world.
And I said, I thought that was the beginning of world war one or the civil war he goes no it was a revolution joke he was making a joke yeah no it's a pirate yeah so um yeah so it's a so i said shot heard around the world so i i literally wrote to the computer the final answer heard all around the world i wrote it in caps and flashed it at regis and had my producer, Vinny Rubino, hold it in the side and try and send it to Regis. So I was just waiting to figure out if Regis would say that line.
And amazingly, he never looked at the screen. When if you watch the tape on YouTube, you see Regis leaning back going, wow.
And then suddenly a flashing screen, you can actually see it almost reflected in his eyes. he takes the line and he actually said it and it was yeah that was a phenomenal tv that was the super league of uh of game show moments right there it really was it was a fantastic fantastic moment and i do think um like the we were streaming and everything some of that tv that everyone is watching this one show and you know everyone's watching it has been lost a little bit in culture.
And that might have been one of the last moments. That's so right.
That was probably about 35 million people watching that episode. Yeah.
And it's weird. I mean, not to sort of turn this into a Jeopardy plug, but one thing that's been amazing about coming back to Jeopardy is that the only show on television that outrates Jeopardy is the NFL.
Wow. There nfl then jeopardy then every drama every new show every comedy everything else and jeopardy still has those moments and especially when you're watching the great ones play um that's still big broadcast television and you know all that's left is sports and jeopardy really for me on tv There's nothing else.
And you guys. Two of my favorite things.
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Okay, good show, boys.

Hank, you golfed on Friday.

I did.

How'd you do?

I played well.

It was a great time.

Shetty Yans brought me out.

One of the funner rounds of golf I ever played.

He sent us a great video of Hank hard at work on Friday, just driving like a mini motorcycle.

It looks so much fun.

All like down at Golf Fairway.

PFT and I are going to go down there and play around with Keith Yando.

You're not going to be a fan. hard at work on Friday, just driving like a mini motorcycle.
It looks so much fun.

All like down at Golf Fairway.

PFT and I are going to go down there and play around with Keith.

You're not invited.

That's rude, but fair, I guess.

You got yours in.

We had to get back and work, and you got to.

I was down there working.

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Game time activation. Hey, what happened on game three when the Max leave leave the bar you guys were it was confusing what happened uh we were at a bar got some in incorrect information that the bar would have sound it did have sound but it was club music oh uh and the game ended and i was looking for max and he was nowhere to be found for like an hour hour is a stretch yeah.
Yeah. And that I left the bar because I got a text from Big Cat that said I need to stay to the Union for Max.
So I left to go do the video. Also, Hank, good job.
So I was doing my job. After tonight's game ended, you just left for a long time and didn't say a word.
Big Cat said don't talk. That's true.
I did. Left and saved for the show.
Took a walk. Took a walk.
We never even talked about the fact that Joel Embiid like put grant williams face through the center of the earth oh yeah yeah they had him mic'd up after though the and and grant williams like it's all good like that's how good sportsmanship it was the one time like a lot of these are not accidents especially when it's dream on green but that one did feel accidental like he didn't know that his face was right and he didn't really step down it was like his head kind of of pushed his head down. The screenshot is the worst.
It's a bad visual. It's a bad visual.
But I think Grant Williams even said after the fact, like, yeah, I kind of got curb stomped. But at the same time, I could feel him let up with his foot because he realized he was stepping on something.
He was stepping on a human head. It was the nicest curb stomping of all time.
A gentleman's curb stomping. It's going to be a weird feeling when you try to

step down and there's a human head under

your foot. Yeah.
Crunches.

Oh, what the fuck is this?

Human head. Yes,

it was like Phil Leotardo. You wouldn't get that, Hank.

Phil Leotardo got killed

at the end of The Sopranos. He got run over by a car, right?

In slow motion, yeah.

Like a second to last episode, something like that?

What were you about to? No. What? We'll talk off the record? What? We'll talk off the record.
Nothing's off the record here. It's a future ad deal thing we're going to be doing.
Oh yeah, we could do that. You're right.
I had a conversation about it last week that I hadn't filled you in on. That would be fun.
Rewatch the Sopranos maybe that would be fun I'm so in I'm so in surprise maybe the greatest show I can't wait till we get to the part uh you know what I'm not gonna do it for you because we're gonna re-watch it I'm not gonna say it we can see I've actually never watched it okay I just seen clips Billy you would like it I know's this one scene. I think it's the last episode in the train station.
Or they go to a toy train shop. Bobby Bacala.
Yeah. Oh, he was out of game, I called.
Really? He's dead. He got shot in a toy train store.
He's been dead for fucking 15 years. Spoiler.
Yeah, that's a bit. I knew that bit.
I knew that bit. I actually never watched it, but I know all the serious plot twists

because they've just been spoiled

because I listened to the show.

Man, when Tony just like covers up Christopher's nose,

that's what I want to do to Billy.

I'm not going to say.

I want to do that to Billy so much.

Okay.

Just reach over and just,

well, you've got a deviated septum.

You basically do it to yourself.

That's true.

Yeah.

Just put one tissue up there.

Like a bulldog.

Yeah.

With a tennis ball in his mouth. Max would hate you.
Yeah. Just put one tissue up there.
Like a bulldog. Yeah.
You can't put a tennis ball in his mouth.

Max would hate you.

Max, you.

That was bullshit.

You don't like dogs.

I love dogs.

How many times do you have to talk about dogs?

Brody Smith was in the YouTube chat of the sportsbook stream today, and Max was like,

shout out, I love all Brodies.

But that's false.

Yeah, that is false.

Max, what's your favorite dog? Black Lab. A lot of bulldogs on the Eagles.
That's true. Sure.
Love them. Yeah.
Ugga. You should have said Ugga.
Ugga. Did memes do the meme that was Brody's thought bubble? Being like, he woke up next to me and he won't even pet me.
That was funny. Shout out memes.
Shout out memes.

All right.

He also did something with the Sixers and the girl says, who are you?

Max had a sleepwalk.

Okay.

Hank, have you ever gotten this?

Nope.

Got a lot of recommendations.

I'll tell you that much this weekend.

79.

Whoa. I think that was PFT.
No, I think I'll tell you that much this weekend. 17.
Whoa.

I think that was PFT.

No, I think Hank got me.

Hank has informed me that he has officially committed to 17 forever.

So let's hope he gets it every time.

Check the audio.

You and Epstein.

Yep, that's me.

Oh, you sure?

Yeah.

All right, I'll go six.

Yeah, no, Hank got me.

All right.

I'll admit it.

I'll go six.

We got to get.

We got to. 99.
We got to block six. Yeah, no, Hank got me.
All right. I'll admit it.
I'll go six. We got to get...
We got to...

99.

We got to block him.

Start blocking him.

99.

What?

I can't have you get it on 17.

Yeah, that would actually kill me.

Knowing your plan?

I root for everyone to get it every day.

False.

Fact of fiction.

No, you do not.

You never root for anyone because you want to get it.

No, I'm for the boys.

I want everyone to be happy. Not everyone can get it.
A bigger lie has never been told in the history part of my take. Oh, maybe.
You know what? If that's the case, then we should get double numbers. So PFT and Hank both have 17.
No. Yeah.
Do you want me to get it though, right? That would be so good if you. Hank, you're rooting for the boys, right? Hank got it, but you only got a half.
I'll be rooting for you. You're rooting for me.

17 all around.

A round of 17s.

All right.

99 PFT?

Yeah, if Hank won't let me share 17.

All right.

I'll go 6.

Billy, 69.

Jake, 18.

Max?

20.

This would be awesome.

You want to do 76 for 76ers?

Nah, 20.

69 is so good. 62.
Back to back. Whoa.
Well, no. Friday show? Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, Jack Macken.
Damn. pick 62, you're going to take the road.
Tied for the lead. I mean, you could have.
Tied for the lead. You could have.
You could have easily. 62 is tied for the lead? Yeah.
47, 50, 52, 62, 64. Five ways.
I might have to start doing 62. Nine each.
Nine each. Damn.
I might have to start doing 62. They've got nine.
And Hank, it's so easy just to do it it. Hank, if you pick 62 every time, you'd have nine wins.
Nine. But instead, you have 17.
So you have zero. Has 17 ever been? There's no worse.
Whatever. How many times has 17 been picked? 17.
Four times. Most recently.
That's amazing. Most recently, March 28th, 2021.

Oh, it's been a long time.

Long time. No fucking shit.

Two out of three shows.

November 5th, 2020.

February 18th, 2021.

February 23rd, 2021.

And then March 28th, 2021.

So three in that one month stretch.

And then, yeah.

This doesn't count.

It's cold streak.

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