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Today is Friday, May 5th.

And the Golden State Warriors are back. The LA L are dead dead dead dead dead no this was a this was a can't lose it warriors yeah we'll get into the can't lose must win dynamic but it was a clay thompson game we got a clay game i have a fun stat for you big guy because i looked it up clay thompson uh when he scores 30 or more points what do you think golden state warriors record oh 31 and 6 that's very disrespectful to clay thompson i was gonna say uh playoffs or just right i think it's both i think it's both i typed it into google and the first result that came out 45 and 4 64 and 10 wow pretty good so when and that it's a little bit of a fake stack because it also probably implies that steph curry put in a lot of points too because there are a lot of games i'm sure where steph curry scores 30 or more clay doesn't and they don't win as many of those games but clay is the key if he has a good game and what he made he went eight for 11 yes three tonight yes they win when clay thompson scores that when has, when he's the perfect amount of high for a game, when he takes his edible and times it out perfectly before the game and he goes off, the Warriors win those games.
Well, and it was also very clear what the Lakers were trying to do tonight was basically not let Steph Curry shoot. And Steph Curry's good at passing.
So, like, they were putting two guys on him, giving him no space, and he was just dropping dimes all across the court. Why Clay also was open, hit threes.
The Warriors are, you know, when they get to this level, when other guys are hitting shots and Steph doesn't have to score 35-40, they are very, very scary. And Draymond Green.
Yeah. Great game from him.
An assist shy of a triple-double. And I don't – maybe this is just the Lakers because it does feel – like you had LeBron first half go like full old-school LeBron.
I think he had like 21 points or something at halftime. He was on fire.
And Anthony Davis, we said this on Wednesday's show, it does feel like as Anthony Davis goes, theakers go he is going to be if he has an exceptional game the Lakers are very very hard to beat he did not have an exceptional game tonight so he had four turnovers he only had 11 points it uh it feels like this is going to be a seven game series I'm very very excited now the question PFT I actually don't think the lakers have to win game three it's not really a desperation spot for them because they're so good i mean they've got guys they've got two players on the team that could be the mvp if they play up to the levels they want to play at they have championship medal yeah they exactly they're they're a great team and you can't panic if you're in that if you take yourself as being a title contender, you can't make game three of a series. It's a seven-game series.
It's best of seven. You have to win four games.
Right. Going down 2-1, it happens.
It happens, and the great teams are able to bounce back. Right, right.
Max just took off his headphones. We're going to talk Sixers-Celtics in a minute.
He's mad because we've told him that the Sixers have to win, must win game three. It's different.
It's very different. The Lakers have been there.
They've done it. West coast.
Yeah. Right.
And LeBron's done it. And AD's done it.
Like they got guys like Austin Reeves. Sixers don't have an Austin Reeves.
No, they don't. So they're fine.
It's interesting. You brought up Draymond's great game tonight because we've laughed at Draymond's antics as we will continue to do in the future.
But I feel like Draymond is kind of what Ben Simmons was a couple years ago in that if there wasn't a basket on the court, Draymond might be the best player on the basketball court. Yeah, but he was making some jumpers tonight too.
He does everything. Everything that he does is done with such a high level of intensity he he must be insane to go up against when he's playing defense on you because he feels like he's fouling you when he's just playing very hard defense and he had a couple strips on Anthony Davis tonight where Davis just he looked around he was like there's nothing I can do about that he he'll just get around you and slap the ball out of your head it's also um it's a very good like you can spot the casual when people like draymond's completely washed up because not only defensively but their offense like the amount of times where he'll get the ball at you know at the three-point line and and run their offense through him and he'll have an assist or he'll find someone like he he is a very big part of their offense even when he's not scoring tonight he.
So the Warriors, this was, I expected this answer from the Warriors. We saw the stat last night.
It's 15 in a row now. No, 16 in a row, I believe, where if the home team loses game one, they win game two.
So, like, a lot of these NBA playoff series and NHL, but, like, it's the desperation. When you get into desperation mode, when you're home team down 0-1, you need to win game two and you see it.
Like the teams just come out and give their best performance. This was the best performance from the Warriors today.
Now, I don't know. I think I can't decide who's going to win this series because I do still think the Lakers, when AD is on, pose some significant issues for the Warriors.
I guess, yeah, it's going to be a great series. I think it's going seven.
I really do. We talked last time about how the Warriors, when they're not big enough to beat the Lakers.
Right. And it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter when they shoot like this. When either Clay or Steph goes nuclear, I don't think that there's anything that you can do to beat this warriors no and they went uh yeah they were they were 52.5 from three today 21 for 40 it's pretty good that's pretty damn good really good that's pretty damn good um okay a couple other things before we get to six or celtics i have a pre-fire fest fire fest i just found out um we're in.
We're all... Time traveling.
What? Yeah, we're time traveling. We were watching the game.
Memes was on the bed editing. I was laying next to him on the bed.
Kind of cute. I looked over and I saw a picture of myself.
And I was wearing Spanx today. Video.
What was it? Motion picture. Motion picture.
Yeah. Why do you always say that? Why do you always correct us when we say that there's a picture of us that looks fat? And you're like, actually, it's a video.
It's a habit that you have. What were you watching? It was actually a still footage.
I'm just wondering. I'm just wondering why it's important to you.
Because he wants to let everyone know that it's not a bad picture. It's real life.
Okay, got it. That's what he's trying to say.
It's not a bad angle you just are fat and i know i'm fat but i was wearing spanks today thinking i'd protect myself and i was also leaning forward and it looks like i have a full pillow underneath my shirt so if you're watching on youtube right now um it's not bad right comment yeah it's not right i need to never not wear black shirts black shirts for life that's it uh but uh if you comment uh that i look fat you're i already beat you to it you're a pervert well sicko actually you're unoriginal because big cat already i already said it i'm fat and i look really fat if anybody says it just everybody let them know like hey this joke is kind of played out now yeah and it it doesn't agree it doesn't help that that Max and Checo are both like 140 pounds, but I'm just that much more of a man than them. That's true.
So what are you going to do? Checo, I towered over him. It was awesome.
Yeah. It's very rare that I get to do it.
Very good guys. Very good interview.
The other last thing we had to talk about, which we forgot to talk about, Jackson Mahomesomes yeah so are we we're we have to wait and see i'm uh i think we have to disavow i want to say i want to say something very clear i'm i'm anti-sexual assault i'm disavowing if you guys are going to cancel me for for being anti-sexual assault that's fine i'm willing to die on that hill. Yeah.
I am disavowing Jackson Mahomes.

I'm not disavowing Patrick Mahomes or the Mahomes family.

Just that particular piece.

Could we say for right now?

Hopefully he learns from his mistakes.

Yes.

But also that was a mistake that we disavow. Also disavow.

We're anti-Nazi, anti-sexual assault.

Anti-Los Angeles C-words.

Anti-Los Angeles C-words. Anti-calling me fat.
Anti sexual assault. Anti Los Angeles.
Sea words. Anti Los Angeles.

Sea words.

Anti calling me fat.

Mm hmm.

Anti lottery ball.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Pro lottery lottery ball.

You can't get it.

Anything else that we're anti?

Oh, Max is anti dog.

Mm hmm.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

You're anti dog.

No, you're anti dog.

I hope that Mike was not.

I don't think it's Mike.

That Mike's not. No, no.
No. He said.
No, no. No, no.
No, no. No, no.
No,dog. No, you're anti-dog.
I hope that mic was not on. I don't think it's mic was on.
That mic's not on. No, he didn't talk about that.
He said it's fake news. There's no way.
But Max's defense is he doesn't hate dogs. And after we did this conversation with Max earlier, I told him, Max, it's not so much that you hate dogs, it's that you don't love dogs.
And that's almost worse. That's worse.
I hate every single person in this room. I do love dogs.
Max, why don don't you drive your mic because we're going to kick it to ourselves we'll get into it we're going to get into the dog issue yeah no we are we already unfortunately we already taped that portion of the show so yes we are going to get into it i'll edit it out but just to put a bow on everything big cat uh the los angeles lakers it's not a must win for them next game, right?

Correct.

I just want to make that clear.

Okay.

Oh, last thing.

Leafs are in big time trouble.

Yeah, they're fucked.

They're big time trouble.

I mean, game three is a must win for the Leafs.

Yes.

Yes, I would say so.

And if that, game four will definitely be a must win.

Yeah.

But yeah, the Leafs are in big time trouble.

It was nice that they won a series, but they look.

They won the first five minutes of this game.

Handily.

Yeah.

2-0, most dangerous lead in hockey.

Hey, that's... The Leafs are in big-time trouble.
It was nice that they won a series, but they look... They won the first five minutes of this game.
Handily. Yeah.
2-0, most dangerous lead in hockey. That's very true.
Hank, are you rooting for the Panthers to win the Cup? Because I think that would lessen the blow a little bit. If you lose to the champion, it makes it a slightly less choke.
Still a choke, but a slightly less choke. Yes.
But I'm rooting for the Oilers. I'm rooting for the Oilers.
Yeah, Jake. I hope it's Panthers, Oilers, and the Oilers win.
Okay. I don't know why.
I just. Connor McDavid.
Yeah. I think I'm rooting for Cracken.
Late night games. Yeah.
Yeah. Late night games.
Cracken, though. Cracken's fun.
No one cares out there. Yeah.
Okay. You hate Seattle so much.
You hate Seattleattle you despise no i love seattle yeah no you despise wish they had some sports fans out there max wants to talk again he turned his mic on finally no i was just gonna wait till you finish and i was gonna talk about how much i love dogs yeah but that's not true no it is i love dogs so much i thought you're allergic no I'm slightly allergic to some dogs. I wasn't allergic to Brody.
Are you like actually? At halftime yesterday, which there was no cameras rolling. When you say you're allergic, do you mean like you sneeze or you're allergic like I can't be around him because I don't like him? No, I sneeze.
With some dogs, I sneeze. Sounds like your body is repulsed by dogs i'm that was that was horrible that's a fact no your body can't handle dogs i love dogs everyone knows that allergies are not something allergies are things people can control i control that i love dogs and i'm done with you okay if you say if you say i i'm allergic to some dogs that to me sounds like a pre-excuse if you just don't want to feel like hanging out with a dog.

You're like, oh, my nose tickles.

Yeah.

You know, I'd like to come over and scratch your dog's chin.

But unfortunately, some of the times I break out in hives.

Yeah.

Actually, now that I think about it, when we started Stella Blue, Max was like, do we

really have to give money to the dogs?

Shut up.

Shut up.

I mean, he probably has a Michael Vick jersey. He definitely has a Phillies.
Yeah, I do not have a Michael Vick jersey. Did you ever cheer for Michael Vick? I loved Michael Vick.
Okay, there we go. Also, the jury rest his case.
I'm anti-dog killing on the show. Yeah, me too.
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Celtic Sixers

game two. Oh, man.
Hank is already serving looks. Don't want to say the old, don't want to say you told you so, but I told you so.
Max, you got absolutely demolished. Your shit pushed in.
Your teeth kicked in. Walked, dog walked off the floor.
Didn't even pet a a dog didn't even pet a dog that was bad no no that dog just wanted you to love it and you just looked away like it was chopped that was like a kobe angle thing of like i couldn't see that too soon no angle like you know the kobe angle a kobe angle are you doing the tmz pictures max the fuck you know when kobe doesn flinch, when the ball is like coming at his face from the one angle. Matt Barnes.
So you say Matt Barnes. Use some context.
You did scratch the dog. I didn't see you scratch it.
For context, we watched at our boss's house, Dave Portnoy. I'm calling time out for Max.
You need a 20 second time out. That was a bad start.
No, that was what was going on in my head made sense. The Kobe, Matt Barnes.
Okay. All right.
Bad start. Take a 20 second timeout.
Let's just talk. We'll just start with the facts.
How about that? We'll start with the facts. There was a dog on the couch next to Max watching the game.
It wanted so much for Max to love it. And Max just wouldn't give the time of day.
Max. You're still on timeout, Max.
So that's just a fact. And now the game.
While Max was not petting the dog, he was watching the Sixers get absolutely demolished. Joel Embiid looked old, tired, injured.
Injured. Injured.
The big three. James Harden, also tired.
I told Max after game one, Doc Rivers should sit Embiid and James Harden. He didn't listen to me, Max that is.
Neither did Doc. A little stat for for everyone jalen brown started becoming the primary defender on james harden in 28 uh half court sets that jalen brown was guarding james harden james harden scored no points one point one point one point one point it felt like the celtics asserted themselves as a team you thought you'd see in game one uh we now objection that point shouldn't even count because it was a free throw with jalen brown didn't even get to defend him on it well he probably followed him you never know that but still i'm pretty sure that's what happened uh max we will tag you back in and we'll start with this game three is a must win for the sixers no it is not a must win yes yes you guys keep fucking saying this no max I'll lay it out to you it's math wait no it's stupid you guys already started saying this yesterday and it doesn't make any fucking sense all right time out every game in the playoffs max when you're in timeout that's that's a championship you said game two was not a must win but no no game three is a must win the Celtics played game two like it was a must win and that's a simple math situation math math max will you listen to math okay okay just these are facts only okay so fact or fiction since you guys won game one if you guys win every other game you win the series if you lose two games in a row at any point in this series you will probably lose Fact or fiction the probably if you win every other game in the series you win threw me off yes if you win every other game of the series you win so if you win game three then game four is not a must win anymore then you win game five correct then game six isn't a must win then you win game seven max boom championship here's where here's where makes perfect sense.
You just got beat by 30 points with Joel Embiid back on the court. But he was working his way back in.
It was like a minor league start. It was a rehab start.
Okay. Well, he looked bad.
He looked bad. Okay.
He's going to look so much better tonight. How much better? He's going to drop at least 35.
You say it happens. At least 35.
Losing by 30 is not good. Bucs lost by 42 game two of the second round when they won the finals.
Okay, you fell for that trap. Giannis, the rest of that series went 34-13.
Is that what Embiid's going to do? Yes. You're talking about the guy who averaged that in the regular season.
Regular season. Here's my biggest point about game three being a must win.
If you win game three, all the pressure's back on the Celtics. If you lose game three, the Celtics basically can say, we don't have to win game four.
If we lose game four, it's a three-game series with us having home court. What happened yesterday? Celtics won by 30.
The Sixers looked at that game like it wasn't a must-win game and they shouldn't have looked at it that way, but that's what happened. Exactly.
So game three is now a must-win for the Sixers. If they look good in game three, and it is a hard-fought game that they lose, then that is fine.
And then they come back and win game four. This is the same exact thing that Hank said.
This is future Max talking. Not on the record.
It's a must-win. It is on the record.
It's a must-win. It is on the record.
You said game two was not a is not a must win if you lose game three you lose the series no i honestly there's a part of me that wants to lose game three and then come back and win the series because you fuckers are making me so angry which part of you wants to lose game three like like just the part to like look at your fucking face and be like we lost game three well i've been very much on the record with what i'm rooting for this series. I'm rooting for its alternate wins until we get to game seven.
So we can see like Wednesday's show, Hank was as down in the dumps as you can get. Friday's show, Max is being aggro Max where he just needs 20 second timeout five seconds into the game.
And I wanted to just flip flop back and forth so these guys have to deal with it and then get to game seven and have game seven i don't care who wins but i want it to be as controversial as possible where the loser can be like we got screwed yeah uh max he cracked all of his knuckles within the first like 10 seconds he's gonna fight he wants to fight he's trying to find more knuckles to crack because he's so angry right now my i want you guys to feel my hands and how much they're sweating oh i thought you were like oh that was almost badass for a second yeah feel my hands i want you to feel the power of my hands they are drenched in sweat because i'm just perspirating anger out of my max so you you have a point which is imbeed looked like shit last night right he looked like shit yes he can't look any worse than shit oh i disagree so i disagree look worse. But he looked worse as the game went on.
So would you say- He looked bad in the second half. Did he get healthier as the game went on? No, but he hadn't played in 10 days.
He hadn't practiced in 10 days. How many games has Embiid played in the playoffs? Four? He played two and a half.
No, he played three. He played three full games.
So this is his fourth game. Correct.
But he hadn't played in 10 days. Fun fact.
He hadn't moved in 10

days. Kawhi Leonard has more made field

goals in these playoffs than Joel Embiid. I

don't care. I don't care.

Isn't that a fun fact? That's a fun fact. You're also

forgetting that Embiid

dominated the paint in the first half yesterday.

He made, he did.

He made the Celtics look like children

trying to get layups at the rim. He had a 10 point

lead in half. He's, I mean, that we weren't making shots.
I wouldn't say. Sometimes you don't make shots.
Sometimes you make shots. Sometimes you don't make shots.
On defense, he dominated. Yes, he did.
And it's not like he was missing shots. He just wasn't taking any.
It's not like he was chucking up. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
He wasn't missing shots because he was turning the ball over before he had a chance to shoot. Yes.
You know who was missing shots? James Harden missed a lot of shots, correct. There was some monkey business going on with that rim, too.
Yes. There was some weird rim ends and rim outs.
I'm not going to say it again. Say it again.
Say it again. No, I know what he's going to say.
You want me to say it for you? I'll say it for him. We got in the car after we were watching the game, and Max said to me, if James Harden's first three that rattled around the rim had gone in different game they win different i agree you know what i agree lost by 27 but it's a different game yeah yeah they would lose by 24 it's a different game so max during the game i was telling you i was trying to coach you through because you went through all the different emotions how to pet a dog well i mean this was i mean well you can't teach a man how to pet a dog.
No, neither has nor he does it. It's in your heart at that point.
I mean, dogs go. You should have lost that game like the Bucks smartly did by 40 points.
Because if you lose by 40 instead of 30, then you're like, fuck it. That's an aberration.
Let's burn the tape and move on. But you lost by like a believable amount of points in a blowout.
It was an aberration. That game will not happen again.
So win or loss time. You aren't saying that with your chest.
Yes, I am. We will not see the Sixers look like that again in this playoff.
Yeah, Doc Rivers is going to coach the boys up. Okay.
Playoff Doc. Game two is a must win.
No, game two is not a must win. Game three is a must win.
Well, game two was a must win for the Celtics. It's a good thing they won because it was a must win.
Yeah. It was a must win game for the Celtics.
No, I agree with that. I'm going to go on the record.
Every game from now on is a must win for the Celtics. So what happens if you lose a game? Yeah.
Then you're done. Then you're done.
Then you're done. Then you're done.
Then you're done. Then you're done.
Then you're done. If it's a must win.
No, no, no, no, no. Must win means the series is over if you don't win that game.
So every game is probably a can't lose then. You can't lose game three.
You definitely can't lose. Game three.
If you lose game three, that's a. No, you're trying.
Because then you're going to paint me in this picture of like, oh, you already said the series is over. These are the moments.
Because that's what must win. We were saying it before.
But these are the moments where like there's definitely some F1 fans that are listening to the show just for the interviews. And they're listening to our conversation right now.
And they're like, what are these guys doing? Yeah. What's it? Kiss.
Kiss. Say the difference.
How did these guys get popular? They are talking in circles. Final ruling.
Can't lose game three. Not a must win.
Can't. No, you will not get me to say that at home.
If there's already a home. I will agree.
They have to win one of these next two. Well, I have to, I would say they have to win one of these next two I would say they have to win one of these next three well that would be fact but I'm willing to say you have to win one of the next two if you go down 3-1 you're fucked if you go down 2-1 if you go down 2-1 you guys are going to get gentlemen sweeped it It's going to be 4-1.
Fuck off. No, we're not.

Yes, if you lose this game, you might as well lose three games in a row.

Okay.

Any last words from this game?

The drone was insane.

I cannot believe they have a drone in a basketball game.

I hated the drone.

Whose idea was that to fly the drone in the middle of the camera

and then just cover up the plays just so we could get one shot

that looked like a video?

It was crazy.

It looked cool.

It was weird.

When we were watching, I was like, why is there a drone there?

And it took everyone for a second to adjust their eyes. Like, wait i was like why is there a drone there and it took everyone for a second to like adjust their eyes like wait wait why is there a drone there it made no sense it was weird uh joe mazula we should give him credit right yes he was pissed off after the game he said he said like how come nobody's asking me about my adjustments that i made right you guys don't want to talk about that he it looked like the celtics played with a lot more defensive uh intensity jasonum was not good, and they still won by 24.
Marcus Smart, he basically looked in the mirror and was like, yeah, I am him, and he came out and played a great game. Yeah, the Celtics.
Okay. That's probably true.
Probably true. You got to hope, unfortunately, James Harden probably will shoot like that again two for 14 okay i'm done with the whole james harden no i'm done with the whole james james harden talk he had a bad game but then you can't just negate what he did in game one like of course not yeah but when you can't just immediately be like oh yeah he's back to two of 14 after what he did in game one because he can just as easily go back to that in game 1 and game 3.
Sustaining correct excellence is why you win a championship. Sustaining excellence is fantastic I hate your little the way you're just smiling and moving your head around.
But Max this is how it works on Wednesday's show PFT and I were going after Hank and you got to sit there and laugh along. Now we're going after you and Hank gets to laugh along.
This is how it works. This is why I wish this series was best of 99.
We're just watching it for the next six months. I have one more thing to say.
Oh, it is Max's championship. I have one more thing to say that I'm very passionate about.
I am done hearing about the MVP. I'm done hearing about the MVP.
Well, congrats. Because there was so much cheering over the mvp when we had a series a playoff series to play would you that night would you say it was like they drank the champagne before they won anything yes it looked like they were drinking champagne we're gonna go home on friday wait wait wait max max in your opinion how should they have celebrated joel and bead winning the mvp no i mean it's like it was just too much talking about the mvp we've been waiting for this moment for so long like i'm so it's like okay i get it the mvp is great but we have a ball game to win and you need to focus on game two and not just keep celebrating the mvp and then get smoked by 40 i've never heard somebody say the word joy with as much anger in their face as max just did there's no like i am too much i'm am so happy that Joe won the MVP.
I'm very happy that Joe won the MVP. I am very mad with the way that they came out after he won the MVP.
Good. Put it behind you.
Go on to Friday. Get back into this series.
Give it to Jokic. I'm pretty sure Friday night is when I I'm still going to give him the trophy.
That's how it works. Yes.
But the crowd will get behind that, though. Yes.
No, they're going to cheer. That's the other thing.
We're on the road. We split two games on the road.
No matter how you look at it, a win is a win and a loss is a loss. You went into Boston and you took home court.
And no one's talking about it. Okay.
Okay. All right.
That was a good away stretch for the Sixers. You finally talked yourself into a good point and got angry enough to make some sense, which is if you had told Max like a week ago that you'd be leaving Boston with a 1-1 split, you would have taken that, right? 100%.
and I kept saying that. But if you lost by 30 points in the second game...

Don't care.

Win is a win.

Loss is a loss.

Okay.

What about losing game three?

Have to win game three.

Don't.

Have to win one out of the next two.

Okay.

Have to win one out of the next two.

Max almost wants to see them lose the next game, as a matter of fact.

No, I don't.

I really would like to see them win,

but I also would like to say something to you.

So, Hank, you...

He really pointed at me there.

Hank's been super quiet. I know that there have been a million thoughts running through your head through this entire conversation.
You get the floor, Hank. Game three is a must-win.
We got to just take control of the series, win by 30 again, kill Phillies' will to live, and just, you know, end this series quickly. I don't want seven games.
I don't want six games. Five games, gentlemen's sweep, starts tonight.
Must win. Given the fact that they're going to give Joel Embiid the MVP trophy in Philadelphia on Friday night, would you say if Philly was a good sports town, they would do that because they should stop celebrating and move on? Yeah, I didn't think they should stand up.
Yeah. Okay.
Take out newspapers and pretend like you're reading them instead of it. You're kind of crying right now, Max.
I'm not crying. I'm just thinking.
I wasn't listening to what Hank had to say. Yeah, you were because you almost came up to the mic halfway through it.
No, because I was just thinking about something. Hank is just so confident right now, even though before the game yesterday, he was like, there's going to be a Lakers-Celtics-Sixers final.
There's going to be a Lakers-Sixers final. And it's going to be my worst nightmare.
It would be. I did not say that.
I didn't say there was going to be a laker celtics sixers final did not there's going to be a laker sixers final did not say that my worst nightmare it would be i did not say that i did i didn't say there's going to be i just said in a world where there's a lakers doesn't matter i didn't say this year just any world where it's lakers sixers i would cease to exist as a human well no once lebron leaves it doesn't it's not as bad not as bad yeah still bad yeah um it was yeah Max. Good job, Max.
Good luck on Friday night. Can't lose.
Can't lose. Yeah, we'll do a fire.
Max, you'll have a fire fest. Have a fire fest, Max.
Other news. Coach Bud got fired.
Yeah, that's tough. He gets to take a time out with him.
Yeah. In retirement.
That's kind of cool. I mean, it goes to show you just how short-term a lot of people's memories are when it comes to the ownership because he's a very very good coach he's going to get hired by somebody like there somebody's going to be very very lucky to have him yes and for whatever reason just didn't work out at the end it didn't work out like the news that came out after the series was over about what he was going through during the games yeah about his brother yeah it was not it wasn't great i you can you can forgive him for his head being in a different place here's a fun fact that i i love these uh fun stats that don't they sound cool when said but when you actually look into it it's not that cool uh every nba coach besides steve kerr that's won a championship since 2015 got fired that is a cool stat but it's not.
Wait, let me look into it. Who else got fired? It's Bud, Nick Nurse, and Ty Lill.
Okay. Yeah.
It's one of those stats that's hidden under the fact that Steve Kerr has four championships. And the Lakers.
Oh, and Vogel. Yeah, but that doesn't count.
Yeah, that was a bubble. Wow, you almost just said that the Lakers won a championship.
Yeah. Our friend Buddha Ben, he's running with the theory right now that the bubble did not even exist, that it was all AI, computer generated.
So look into that. Ben's on it.
Yeah, let's get our best guys on it. Sounds credible, yeah.
Buddha Ben is our best guy. He is our best guy.
He's the best guy. Maybe tag team Mike the Bike, and we're ready to go.
We also had a couple other other NBA stories we talked about the MVP we also had the weirdest uh story ever written in the Denver Post uh the writer who wrote about uh Jokic being the real MVP he wrote so this is Mark Kisla uh wrote sorry Mr. Joel Embiid but we all know Nikola Jokic is real MVP of everyday Budweiser drinking peeps he said peeps yeah he said peeps and so he talked about Jokic being cool guy awesome guy great leader and then we got to a very weird paragraph where he said I'm not ashamed to admit to spending so much time in the Denver locker room waiting for Jokic to shower, dress, and share his self-deprecating pearls of wisdom that I know this man has wicked funny taste in boxers.
Underneath the fine and stylish European attire he wears into the arena, Jokic sports wacky underwear that on any given night colorfully celebrate Budweiser the king of beers or might be might be adorned with the face of SpongeBob SquarePants. After silencing Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, and the grousing sons, who seemed to have a beef with a ref after every whistle, Jokic slipped into silly boxers that proclaimed, that's what she said across his booty.
Classic, classic joke. So that's his secret to his MVP seasons was he wears funny boxers.
He basically was like, Jokic didn't win a third straight MVP, but he's the champion of the people because no one knows this, but I know it because I stalk him every night after the game that he has funny boxers. He most valuable underwear yes that's it's real that's

it was a bizarre article very bizarre really strange um but you know what he spends more time around him than i do so maybe maybe there is something to it i don't know yeah jordan he wore the same shorts underneath his uh shorts every game yeah he wears like unc uh athletic shorts as boxers it's uh i bet kevin durant wears whitey tighties yeah i could definitely A little stain on him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Very bizarre.

Very bizarre that Jokic should have won the mvp because he wears hilarious boxers uh but yeah that was that was the big response for mbid winning from denver i actually thought that the best basketball was being played in denver by the mascot did you see rocky's shot yes it was fucking insane yes mascots are more athletic than nba players i stand by that take so rocky the denver nuggets mascot he's like a cougar or mountain line or whatever he set up a giant ladder at half court and then climbed that ladder put another ladder on top of it climbed up to the top of that ladder and then took the ball like he was going to shoot a half court shot and then at the last minute threw it backwards over his head and it went in the other basket swish damn it was fucking unreal when you when you look back on the nba i think you can make a case that was it benny the bull benny the bull outstanding athlete the phoenix gorilla maybe the best basketball player of all time yep and then rocky is this generations yep what's. Yep.
What's that, Hank? Lucky. Lucky the leprechaun? What has he done? He's a guy.
Yeah, but he does flips and shit. But he's not a mascot.
He's a guy. So he's just a gymnast? What do you mean? All these other mascots are basketball players.
Like, do you think there's a... Benny the Bull is a bull? No, they bring him from Ireland.

Okay.

That counts then.

Yeah.

They find him under a bridge.

His name is Lucky.

Okay.

Okay.

That's how they cast.

Yeah.

Name has to be Lucky.

Okay.

So we had that.

And then we have the Dylan Brooks fallout.

So it turns out that Shams might have editorialized a little bit.

Everyone's mad at him. The Grizzlies are mad at him.
Dylan a little bit. Everyone's mad at him.

The Grizzlies are mad at him.

Dylan Brooks is mad.

Agent is mad at him.

I'm pretty sure Shams, even though he might have taken a little bit of liberty, also nailed it.

And then we had J.J. Redick, who we love, who's going to come back on the show.

There's just J.J.'s really good every now and then just having a clip that's just like reeking of irony that I don't think he fully realizes when he was saying that Shams was just trying to get engagement on Twitter. And JJ was making this point on first take.
And he was like, all that anyone cares about is engagement and hot takes. I think that JJ goes on first take for the integrity of defending basketball.
I actually don't think he cares about engagement.

He's just so passionate about going against the hot takes

that he ends up having a hot take of his own.

J.J. always makes good points.

This one I kind of disagreed with just because there's no way

that Dylan Brooks wasn't part of the failure.

He wasn't the whole failure.

He was a little bit of a scapegoat, but his performance and the way he acted did not help the grizzlies beat the lakers and him making that point like getting super serious on first take always makes you laugh because then then steven a smith will just like chime in and be like dylan brooks is a bum yeah and then yeah it's like if you argue with jj it's like you're you're getting into a screaming match with a librarian right And they'll make much better points than you. But JJ, I don't think he has yet to understand the point of first take, which is to be wrong but be louder.
It's a noble pursuit by JJ to try to elevate the discourse. Yeah.
But newsflash, the discourse is never getting elevated. No.
We'll drag you back down in the mud and be like, Chris Paul, choke artist. Yeah's a one-way street it's going straight down i actually think that shams would i would i truly believe happened behind the scenes shams put out his first report which was correct and he heard that from somebody at the grizzlies and then everybody's like yo this is a little bit harsh right the grizzlies saw that and they're like wow free agents might think twice about signing with us because we're going to take a big steaming shit on them on the way out the door.
We don't want people to think that's how we do business. So we're going to have to go back and we're going to fight against that report and say that's not how it was said at the time.
Right. And so now that's where we're at right now.
But in the back of his head, Dylan Brooks knows that he's not going back to Memphis. No.
Memphis is like, yes, correct. Under zero circumstances, will we ever bring him back?

Yeah, no, Dylan Brooks is the meme that goes around Adam Silver.

He better learn Chinese, buddy.

That's kind of where he's at right now.

I mean, someone will probably take a risk on him, but it has not gone well for Dylan Brooks.

The talk and text, what team is that?

Coach K was right.

No, Coach K taught him how to be a bad person.

Dylan Brooks was fine until Coach K got his hands on him.

No, he was trying to teach him to stay calm, stay humble.

I don't know about that.

That's not true.

There was another great hot take out there in the world of football.

Did you guys see what they said about Sam Darnold today?

Matt Maiuko, the writer in San Francisco?

No.

He said Sam Darnold might be the most talented thrower of football

that the 49ers have ever had.'s that me joe montana memes what are you doing memes believes yeah memes loves sam darlin no he hates him no most talented most most talented thrower of football he didn't say best quarterback in the history of san francisco in the history of the 49ers have they had any good quarterbacks in the past kaepernick kaepernick good point yep jeff garcia yeah alex smith josh

johnson yep anybody else these are pretty good yeah no i think we nailed it yep that's it so

yeah i guess i guess he's right most talented thrower of football he's not a thrower he's a

passer i don't even know what that means most talented thrower well i actually yes i do know

exactly what that means just a guy that you watch you're like jamarcus russell would win that award yeah like the most talented thrower of football that the nfl has ever had the ball spins well brady quinn great thrower good basically what he said was i want to fuck his spiral yeah yeah okay yeah to thrower concurred yeah um it does make me think of just joe neva he's not a thrower he's a passer we could take the jets all the way i want to kiss you uh okay anything else we have kentucky derby talk coming up with randy moss very excited for that uh yeah so everyone tune in to watch f1 on sunday miami grand prix uh let's do it though we have christian horner and then and Checo. So two interviews back to back.
Great interviews. I think we fixed Red Bull in terms of maybe the rift between Max and Checo.
They're super broken right now. No, but you can get better.
You can get better. They're bros.
Yeah, they're bros. We got them together.
And then we have Randy Moss giving us Kentucky Derby picks, tips, everything.

Always fun to have Randy Moss on.

So let's get into it.

Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, a recurring guest.

It is Christian Horner, team principal, Red Bull Racing.

Thank you for joining us in person in Miami.

I'm going to ask the most important question to start it is probably the toughest question um have you picked out your toilet this weekend because last time you're on you told us you have your lucky toilet yeah it's your second year in miami no exactly do you know where you're going i'm trying to remember which one i used last year because that was pretty good um but i'm i'm heading to the track straight after this so uh do a bit of reconnaissance yeah what do you look for in the toilet is it just a vibe you look at you're like yeah that's that's the one right there or is there a quality that you look for i think uh anything that isn't called toto uh but it's uh yeah no i think it's just going to be convenient and uh and available it is uh because we're new to F1. So when we had you on, we always don't know where the interview is like, who's going to pick up what? But that was the story that everyone picked up from you being on the first time.
About the lucky toilet. The lucky toilet.
I'm impressed. That was it.
Absolutely. Okay.
I was like, okay, I guess everyone wants to talk about this. So the season has been great so far.
You guys are in first. You have two guys who are competing for a championship.
You said you're going to let them race. What exactly does let them race mean? Because obviously there's a point where you have to pull it back if you risk the team, right? So how do you find that line? Well, it's exactly right.
It's finding that line because, you know, in Formula One, you've got two competition. You've got the driver's championship, which is where all the prestige and the hype and the fan interest is.
And then you've got the constructors' championship, which is where the money is distributed and where we're measured against our rival teams. So both have a value.
And, of of course both rely on both drivers scoring as many points as possible so it's a question of just reminding the drivers that it's it's not their car it's a team car and they're representing the hopes of every single employee of every single member of the team all our partners and so on when they're they're racing our cars and so long as they respect that uh which you know so far they've they've been great um then then we've got no problem allowing them to race each other in a in a clean and healthy way from the outside looking in it feels like a good problem to have right like in terms of problems that you could have in f1 having your car be so good yeah that both your racers are competing for the championship, I would imagine you'd want that over every other problem.

This is the kind of problem that you dream about having.

Right.

This is a luxury problem, and it's not a problem.

It's actually great to see the two guys pushing each other hard.

It's great to see how Checo's made a step up.

Now he's in a third year with us as well, and Max again continuing to evolve. And what we're seeing is the best of them.
And I think over a 23-race championship, it's going to be fascinating. But what we can't do is take our eye off the ball of what's going on with the other teams, and we've got to make sure we keep edging away from them in both championships.
Yeah, in American media and sports, we always like to say if a team is too dominant, we like to have the conversation. It's probably the stupidest conversation that we have.
Are they bad for the sport because they're so dominant? Is Red Bull bad for racing because you guys are so good right now? Well, look, from my perspective, obviously not but um i think when you've got two teammates that are competing hard with each other like we have uh that's another dynamic it's another uh you know focus of interest and don't write those other teams off because you know we're about to head back to europe fairly shortly big upgrades we know are in the pipeline for you know some of our rivals and uh you know this year we have a restricted amount that we can develop the car with in terms of time in the wind tunnel so i i'm expecting the others to come back at us you know through the summer can you explain to us the uh the the shortening of the DRS zones and what that means in this race?

I think, what, two out of the three they pulled back?

Is that good for you or is that bad for Red Bull?

I think it depends if you're ahead or not. I mean, the DRS zone for when the flap opens that gives you an overspeed on the straight,

some have argued that it's been too easy to make an overtake.

So I think that's why they've been trimming these zones to make it more wheel-to-wheel. And we'll see how that works in Miami.
I think it had an impact in Azerbaijan. They trimmed it by 100 meters.
Maybe it should have, I think with hindsight, been 50 rather than the 100 because there wasn't a huge amount of overtaking going on. Yeah.
car's been dominant for a couple years now at what point uh in that process were you like oh this is we have something special like at what point during the building of the car you're like this is we have something that no one else is going to have going forward well that's the thing you just don't know really and uh you know last year was a big reset. We turn up at the first test.
Everybody's car looks a bit different. And the Mercedes looked very different.
You think, have we missed something dramatic here? And then, of course, 22 was an incredible year for us. And then we've just taken all those learnings and applied it into this car.
And, you know, the car was a little bit heavy last year. We got the car the weight limit and and that kind of stuff and just evolved the theme and uh we've been surprised um that the others haven't been closer to us so far but you know feel that that will come later in the year yeah so so from uh a novice perspective which we we come at this sport from we're learning it we're getting into it Week to week, how many adjustments are made on the car? Is it just constantly evolving? Is it similar to, you know, a football team where it's like you see the first drive and then the coach says, all right, we've got to change everything we planned because it's not working? I think, you know, every track is different.
Like Miami compared to last week in Azerbaijan, different surface, different type of corners, et cetera, et cetera. So it's different downforce levels.
So you're constantly evolving and tuning the car. And then at strategic points within the budget that you have and the tools that you have, you're upgrading the car, the body work, the wings, the engine cover, the floor, the big performance differentiators.
And teams strategically pick where they're going to introduce those upgrades. And that's why I'm expecting when we head back to Europe, cars to start to converge a little.
That's interesting. Do you like racing in America? Do you like the events that are taking place? We're expanding over here.
We've got Vegas coming up soon. You mentioned it was on your birthday.
Happy birthday. Well, it's very kind of them to put the event on my 50th birthday i mean that's huge i mean you're gonna win that planned it specifically for that you have to win that for that weekend so uh it's going to be an awesome event i think it's going to be the biggest sporting event globally this year uh i really do i think that the interest and the hype around that race i mean a saturday night race down the strip in in vegas um who doesn't want to be there who does not want to see that race and i think it's it's going to be such a spectacle and i think racing in the states for us is is very different i mean i'm very british obviously and coming over here everybody's so friendly and a lot of high fives and fist pumps even when you go out for a run um you You know, in England, you go for a run, nobody talks to you.
Over here, everybody's super friendly. So that's taking an adjustment.
But just the interest and the hype around Formula One is just amazing. And, you know, you guys put on a great show, and I'm sure we're going to see something a bit different this weekend as well.

Well,

I would say also this weekend,

it's the coronation.

What,

what better coronation present?

Yeah.

So you're missing that.

Yeah.

You're missing it,

but if you win,

that's,

that's the ultimate gift,

isn't it?

I'm sure he's going to be watching in between his students,

you know,

what's going on out in,

in Miami,

but it's a big weekend in the UK, but nothing bigger than that for us than being out here in in miami yeah that's true so uh in america we love the redemption arc of teams and sports where a guy a team has success they get torn torn down then they come back and they recover you have you know you had four

championships with Vettel Red Bull was dominant yeah there was a period then where Mercedes takes

over now you're back was there a moment in that entire path where you thought like I may never be

back on the top like this is it's it's getting bleak it's getting hard I don't you know not even

quitting but just like you're forcing your head through a wall and you just can't get through

Honestly, I don't think there was ever a point that we didn't believe we could get back. And I think it was having that culture, that can-do attitude.
It was a question of, okay, we need to address where our weaknesses are. Why are they beating us? And Mercedes is an incredible team and their achievements during that period have been record-breaking.
But I think it just demonstrates that if you want something bad enough and you focus and apply yourself, you can achieve it. And sport, it always comes in cycles, whether's you know formula one or football or basketball or any any form of sport you always are going to see you know cycles of winning teams and i think that for me the challenge is how big how long can we keep this cycle going yeah because it is interesting you know people who are getting to the the sport in america right now they see red bull dominant they're probably like oh we don't like these guys they always win And it's like, but it is interesting.
People who are getting to the sport in America right now,

they see Red Bull dominant.

They're probably like, oh, we don't like these guys.

They always win.

But you don't know the history.

It was a stretch where they weren't winning,

and they were trying to get back up on top of the mountain,

which is the best part of sports.

I mean, all back three years, the domination we've had is,

believe it or not, we're not as dominant as Mercedes were a few years ago few years ago they finished i think first and second in the first five grand prix um so look and and of course we've got this competition between our two drivers and that's a whole different dynamic and a different responsibility is from a team point of view because suddenly it doesn't just become about racing the others it means it becomes about just ensuring that you know both have got the same opportunity and that as fairly as we can even to the point of who drives out the garage first we alternate from weekend to weekend who talks first in the debrief yeah you're under a microscope we go we we alternate from weekend to weekend to ensure as much uh fairness as we can uh provide. It's really interesting because we were talking earlier this week about certain NBA coaches in basketball that have had to manage two superstars at one time.
So Phil Jackson, when he had Michael Jordan, Shaq and Kobe, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Spolstra, when he had the big three down here in Miami. So that's interesting how you try to keep everything fair.
Are there certain elements of the different drivers' personalities that you know that, okay, this guy must need a little bit more encouragement on certain weekends. This person needs some tough love at this point.
How do you manage dealing with those egos? Well, they're all different. And, you know, sometimes they need an arm around the shoulder.
Sometimes, you know, they need to kick up the ass. But, you know, both great drivers, and there's a great dynamic between the two of them.
And I think what Checo has, the way he's kicked off this year has been fantastic. And, of course, all the races he's won for us so far have been on street tracks.
And I think the challenge for him is going to come, okay, he knows Max has been the most informed driver of arguably the last five years. So he's got to keep this level across 23 events.
And we're just fortunate, and it's great to see the healthy competition that there is between these two great drivers. Yeah, I saw that there was a bit of a stir when you made the comment, I think it was last week that that checo was was lucky and in certain regards now i think that's unfair to you because in any sport there is a certain element of luck that's involved so in any race depending on when you pit all that stuff these small you know small fractions of a second make a big difference how much of of racing is luck in your opinion i think it sometimes sometimes plays a role.
And it's how you use it at the end of the day as well. And look, what happened with the safety car last weekend, Checo benefited because he had a shorter time in the pit lane because when the safety car comes down, everything slows down.
And so he gained a track position without having to make the overtake on track. But then he had to convert that.
And not on one lap did he ever let Max get close enough to get into that DRS zone and at one point pulled out a 3.7-second lead. And it was a phenomenal race from him., you look back to Jeddah or Saudi last year, he was in the lead pit, took a pit stop and the safety car out and it benefited Max.
And, you know, he was unlucky on that day. Max got lucky.
So it tends to even itself out these situations over the course of a season. But, you know, the comment was not in reference to him having a lucky win.

It was a lucky scenario that he then converted.

And, man, did he put in a competitive race.

I think that's totally fair.

It's the ball bounce.

Like, we watch it all the time.

The ball bounces your way sometimes.

It doesn't mean that, like, you don't deserve a win.

It's just that's how the ball bounces.

And you know what? Max recognized that. He said, he said look yeah the opposite happened in jedda last year that's the way it goes sometimes right you know that's that's that's that's sport so speaking on that though uh you're mic'd up during the race yeah it's a fantastic thing for the viewers we love we love being able to see what's going on in you know the control center and how you're talking drivers.
Are you going forward going to be like, I'm not going to say some things now because everything's under a microscope? If you just respond to what people are writing on social media or whatever, then we're just going to end up with robots. You've got to respond to what you're seeing and what you're feeling and what you believe the drivers are feeling.
And, of course, sometimes you've got to pick drivers up. Sometimes you've got to manage expectations and so on.
And I see that as part of my role is to do that. And the most important thing is to deal with it openly and honestly.
So we like to troll on this show. We like to basically make a mockery of the media and kind of get the media.
Just an idea, throwing it out there. We're saying this.
It's going to be on a podcast. Maybe when you're on an open mic, you say to Max over the weekend, like, you're my favorite son ever.
And then everyone flips out. And then they're like, no, wait.
We planned this whole thing. Good idea, right? I mean, you guys are changing the dynamic of radio calls.
It was obviously a joke. We said it out loud.
We said we were joking. Yeah, no, absolutely.
I'm even thinking of selling the space that makes this message that is brought to you by Cash App. Yeah.
Why not throw a Roback ad in there? We'll give you some ads that you can pitch from our show. Yeah, yeah, I like it.
I like this idea. Yeah, just be like, I said it on part of my take.
I was going to say this and then say it and people will run with it and then be like, no, you guys are idiots. You're not doing your job.
Yeah. So we can get the media.
Yeah. Just a thought.
The problem is people always pick out little bits that they want to hear or they want to see and the most important thing is what what our drivers feel and what our team feel so to be honest i don't really give a shit uh what others think it's about what they think and what the team yeah actually you can't cuss on this podcast though you can't no you can't you can say whatever you want you can you can ask motherfucker you can say anything oh really yeah we can say literally what's your favorite swear word? My favorite swear word? Yeah. Ooh, good question.
Yeah, that's... British people swear well.
Do they swear? They swear. It sounds classy when you guys do it.
It sounds more classy. When I say motherfucker, everyone's like, shut kid rock up.
Yeah, no, when it's like when you get like a viral clip of like a British guy watching a soccer team. When I said change your fucking car, I'm now seeing t-shirts with that on.
Yeah. Change your fucking car.
I like that too. There you go.
Go ahead. I was going to say like, you know, welcome to America.
We want to be gracious hosts. Part of American culture is being very kind to our guests.
So in that spirit, I just have a little bit of American trivia for you. Okay.
That's all right. Who won the Revolutionary War?

Good question.

Who was in it? It was

the colonies, the United States

and Great Britain.

Well, you guys obviously got Independence Day

that came off the back of it and so on.

Never forget. Yeah, never forget.

That's the only question that I have.

There you go.

Oh, wait, I have a question, too.

I have a question.

How many Super Bowls has England won?

Super Bowls has England won?

Yeah.

Well, you know, do Manchester United play in the Super Bowl?

No, no, no.

So, yeah, the answer is zero.

You guys have not won any Super Bowls.

That's kind of pathetic, but whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maybe someday.

Exactly.

And then third question. Did you watch the United States against England in the World Cup this year? Yes, I did.
Who won that draw? That's even – do you know what? That shows my following of football. We won that one.
No, we won the draw. We won the draw.
It was a nil-nil. Was it a nil-nil? Yeah, we won.
You guys will take that as a victory now. We won that draw.
Exactly. You probably got lucky on that.
You lost the draw. We won the draw.
Christian Prusilic hit the crossbar. It was off the woodwork.
We won that draw. Who's your soccer team? Who's my soccer team? I like a team called Coventry City.
They're in the second tier. Championship league, yeah.
Championship. They're getting to the playoffs.
Okay. They're there.
My grandfather used to be a part of that team. So that's why I've got an interest.
That's big. Hopefully they get up to the EPL.
But I tell you what, the women's game, I went to see the women play football the other day, and they are kicking butt. They are doing unbelievably well.
And they don't flop. And they won a penalty shootout.
I mean, the men fluff the penalties all the time the women bang yeah no they don't we beat brazil the other day unbelievable it's great to watch because they like you'll watch a men's game and neymar will get you know lightly touched and he'll go down like he needs to be in a wheelchair the women are tough play through it yeah they play through it yeah that's what we want to watch the point when women play soccer they the point is to not get pushed off the ball yeah in men's soccer it's like the point is please push me so i can fall over and embellish and get a penalty yeah um so drive to survive has been fantastic yeah uh we watch it we love it do you watch it back and just maybe make like a super cut of all the times you pissed toto off and being like this rules like look how mad he is mad he is. I did that.
Well, do you know what you get to see at the end of the year, they send through some of the cuts and, um, you, what you don't see is how they've put it with the other pieces. So, um, you think, did I really say that? Yeah.
You know, did I really, you know, say the see you next Tuesday word or something like that?

Cunt.

And, you know, sometimes you think, where's this going?

So I think we need that to be removed.

Yeah.

It's an out-of-body experience to watch yourself back.

Exactly.

Exactly.

So, and then, of course, then you see how they cut because you think, what are they giving the guys on the other side as hard a time as they appear to be giving us?

And then you see the whole thing come together.

But you've got to remember they're making a show.

I mean, it's like the Kardashians on wheels, basically.

I like that.

That's very meta that you guys, like the idea that you and Toto would complain to them

that they showed you complaining more than the other person complaining. Yeah.
That's pretty much what you're saying. That's pretty much what you're saying, yeah.
So you watch every episode of it? Have I watched every episode? I don't think I've seen all the episodes. I've seen the ones that are relevant to us.
To your team. Yeah.
And you see what information other people are getting about Red Bull and what's being distributed out there. Is there anything that you think has been unfair in general

in the way that you've been portrayed

or the team's been portrayed?

Well, again, you've got to remember

that they're making a story or making a show

and somebody's going to be the villain,

somebody's going to be the hero,

and sometimes they swap over

and there's an element of pantomime to it.

I mean, the one thing that's consistent

is just how fucking scary Gunter Steiner is yes um but uh that's the uh you know that's the consistent theme through all of the shows what i've seen yeah so how is your relationship with toto right now is it if he called you and was like hey i want to get dinner with you you'd be like this is a prank what are you doing i think he's blocked oh really no um it's fine i mean look there's a healthy healthy competition and I think it's blocked. Oh, really? No.
It's fine. I mean, look, there's a healthy competition, and I think it's good to have rivalry in sport.
Yeah. And, you know, they did a lot of winning.
They're a great team, and now we're doing our thing, and, you know, we're tending not to look behind. We're looking forward, and it's not really about Toto.
I mean, it's about Ferrari, about Aston Martin. And he's no doubt got his challenges.
So I'll let him focus on those. I'll correct you.
It's great for sport to have rivalry. That's what we watch for.
Absolutely. That is, you know, you want to see.
There's nothing better than when two teams don't like each other and the stakes get higher and higher and higher

and you get invested in your team.

It's the best.

It's boring.

If everybody just loves each other and whatever,

you've got to have a rivalry.

It's got to fire people up.

I think that fires the fans up as well.

There's always going to be people that support you

and people that don't.

That will change from country to country that you go to.

What about the supporters of the different racing teams is obviously in in british football yeah each team has their supporters they're known for different things in racing is it the same way um ferrari you know it's a great brand isn't it it is it's cool i wear a ferrari shirt i don't own a ferrari but i wear it just so people think I own a Ferrari. See, you're a classic Ferrari.
Yeah, that's why I don't take offense to that. But look, it's great to have so many iconic brands.
And what we see is just this fan base growing and growing. And not just for the team, but for the drivers.
I mean, you see the support there is for Max when, you know, he's hit his orange army traveling around the world for such a little country. Those guys get around.
And then when we race in Zanvo or Belgium, it's unbelievable. And then we've got the Mexicans, which is, you know, that's just insane that weekend when we go to.
So we've got about four or five home races. Yeah.
That's nice. Smart.
Yeahooligans the hooligans yeah which which team is the hooligans well that's probably us yeah you know we're a bit edgy well i see that you're you're a company man you're drinking a red bull right now that's we do that we drank six coors lights before but i think we play our music loud we're a really bad neighbor um you know everybody's enjoying what they're doing they're doing it with a smile on their face we do things a bit differently we're not as corporate you know nobody in our factory wears a tie uh they probably won't get in the factory if they wore a tie uh you know there's a very much a jeans and t-shirt kind of culture in the design functions and so on so it's just a different culture and every team its own characteristic. And I think the Red Bull one empitomizes who we are.
And it's got to be fun. It's got to be, if you don't enjoy what you do, why do it? Yeah.
All right. So last question.
This has been fantastic. Best of luck in Miami.
Before Max and Sheko come into the room, who do you love more? Well, look, I love equally oh shoot they're in the room I didn't even realize they were in the room oh no that was my mistake well there you go yeah have you got kids yeah you love one more than the other yeah my daughter oh really okay that's the easy answer okay that's sorry that's that's kind of in the UK we'd never say anything I love it people do that to me all the time. I'm just like, yeah, my daughter, and they don't know what to say.
All right. Well, thank you so much, Christian.
We really appreciate it. Best of luck in Miami.
Very fun to do this in person. And if you want to troll on the mic, we'll have your back.
Okay. That's good to know.
Just think about it. That's good to know.
Yeah. Good luck.
Thank you very much. And now for something completely different.
Okay, we now welcome on recurring guests who've been on before. It is from Team Red Bull, Max Verstappen, Sergio Perez, Checo, and Max.
Thanks for joining us, guys. We're at Miami for the F1 race this weekend.
So let's start there. How good is the car right now? I think it's pretty good i mean uh we've won the race so far all the races so i think um that's a great start i mean honestly i think we didn't expect it to be that good i mean of course we had a very strong car to the end of the year but we really thought that um starting this year other people um yeah would have been closer, especially, I think, in the race, the car is very, very strong.
That's, of course, where you score the points, right? But, yeah, I think we are all positively surprised with it. Okay, so dumb question.
We asked Christian this, like, in America, if a team dominates too much, we always start the stupid storyline, are they bad for the sport? Because they're winning so much. Have you guys ever thought to maybe slow down a little bit just so that way the competition thinks they're closer than they are? Like being like maybe in this race, I'll just hit the brake just a tiny bit just to make them think that they're close? Dumb question.
I knew it sounded dumb when it came out. The problem is if, I mean, whoever sits in the lead, if you do that, then your teammate normally will get by.
So I don't think that would be the case. I think we would be really happy if we keep winning every single race.
Yeah, I guess now that we break it down, what we just asked you was like, have you ever considered being worse at your job? Yeah, slower. And that's probably not what goes through a formula one driver's mind at any time i i have i saw your uh your helmets so you've got the custom paint design for this race this weekend is there does that make you faster i didn't make one i forgot about it oh you didn't make one i missed out the boat so i'm doing one for i think in two three races.
Is there a helmet that you've put on and you look at yourself in the mirror and you're like, yeah, this is a fast helmet? I look at the car more than the helmet. That was another, yeah.
I mean, we do, we like bet on teams based on their jerseys. So you'd have to understand, like, when we see cool helmets, we're like, oh, they're not going to lose.
Not even thinking about the car. Just the helmets.
We're like dogs we see some of them we're like oh that's cool um all right so the second year in miami what like how are american race fans how is it like progressed from what you guys have seen obviously drive to survive has been huge but like rate us versus other race countries and the events i mean i find it amazing how how it has grown you know and and and the race weekends in the U.S. are unique because they're so different to, let's say, to the standard format of Formula One.
I love it. I enjoy it.
There are a lot of fans, a lot of Latins, always in Miami, for example. And it's great to see how much they're getting into the sport and also the young generations.
So, yeah, it's great that finally Formula One made it to the US. Yeah, yeah.
What do you think? Yeah, I think, you know, it's always been quite busy at the track, right? But even, you know, getting back to your hotel now and just in general, the travel to the track, you can see it's a lot busier and a lot more fans around. So, yeah, definitely it has grown a lot in the last few years.
I mean, compared to like 2015 and now it's a different world. Of course, that first started in Austin and now, of course, here in Miami, Vegas coming up later.
So, yeah, I think it's a good thing. I mean, I enjoy anyway being in the US, so it's good that we have a few races here.
I also, you know, people say, is people say is it not too much you know to have three races or whatever but the country is so big it's almost like europe right yeah yeah i think it's quite um i think it's quite normal texas is bigger than france yeah yeah so i yeah and they're very different as well my name austin vegas so speaking of that when you when they unveil a new track how long does it take you guys to learn the track on the simulator or like feel comfortable with the track? Cause I'd imagine that's a lot of your job is like knowing exactly when you're pushing, when you're, you're laying off the turns and everything. How, how long is that process? It depends a bit, right? Like, I mean, sometimes a different track gets to the calendar, which has been around for a while while but not an f1 for example but i know the track from when i was a young kid playing already on a simulator or whatever right but if it's a complete new track which um like you know miami last year it just yeah it takes a few laps i mean um first you go to an onboard or whatever of a previous simulator driver in back at red bull and he's been driving already to try and set up the car a bit for you and um yeah takes a few more laps than than normal but then again also to um to judge like the the grip levels and stuff you have no idea right until you actually get to get to the track um so it is always a bit more difficult than another track yeah yeah yeah we saw uh daniel ricardo at the met gala last week you guys see the pictures of him talking to ann hathaway being a big time celebrity did you guys get an invitation to the met i wasn't invited i don't know if max was no i'm not the kind of guy to go um to these kind of events yeah so you wouldn't go if you were invited chaco would you you go? I wouldn't go either.
I'll prefer to go and play golf. Yeah, how's the golf game right now? How are you shooting? Like, what's your score? Well, I played this morning, and I had a pretty good run, but I only played six holes because I was in a rush.
Yeah. Pretty much just got a buggy.
Okay. The rest was on par, so it went really well.
Yeah. So you're pretty much a scratch golfer then.
Yeah. Right around there.
Right around par. That's good.
That's fun. Yeah, but that was my best run.
You had a hole in one? I wouldn't be here, mate. Have you ever had a hole in one? No.
Oh, shit. And I don't think I will ever get one.
Max, you... Have you? I haven't.
I shot a 119 the other week, but I had two birdies, which is hard to do. It's the equivalent.
I'm really bad at golf. I have no clue what you guys are talking about.
Why don't you golf? You should golf. What basically he says is that he's done two pole positions, but he has crushed pretty much.
That's pretty much it, right? Two of the fastest laps and then every other lap was a complete crash. My car caught fire.
Max, you own a lion. Do you own a lion? I read a story that you own a lion.
Well, we kind of adopted a lion to Mick. That was like this kind of like adopted a lion and um to make okay that was like this kind of like um was it the christmas kind of presents you have to give to other drivers right you gave you can like adopt a lion no you can adopt a lion and then well he didn't get the actual lion i mean the lion is still walking around in the wild we need to find this lion.
But you own it. No, that's your lion.
Yeah, no, wait, so what other gifts did you get? Because that's a pretty cool gift. Well, I gave it away.
I gave it away. Okay.
I gave it to Mick. Okay.
So yeah. So Mick owns a lion.
A lion. Kind of.
Do you get to visit the lion if you wanted to? Could you go find it? Yeah. Yeah.
I would find that line. Should be.
Wait, so you give gifts to other racers? Well, that was like this Christmas kind of thing we do at the end of the year for my F1. Basically, you're forced to.
Okay, so what did you guys get other people? Well, I gave that to Mick and I got an F1 cover with three times Charles in it. So Charles, of course, gifted that to me.
Wait, so you guys were basically playing Secret Santa and you're like, I'm getting someone a lion. Secret Santa, that's what I was looking for.
What did you get? I got sake from Juki. And I gave some golf lessons to Albon.
But not a lion. That's a mean gift to give somebody's golf lessons yeah that wasn't my idea though if you ever get me do not give that to me yeah do you guys get each other gifts um well it's okay me and big cat don't give each other that's fine we kiss every every year on our birthdays yeah yeah we done that yet.
You guys haven't kissed each other?

I don't think that will happen.

Bad teammates.

Not yet.

Do you want to?

No, no.

We're good.

That's fine.

You?

You do it now?

Well, would you do it now?

In front of the camera?

Or are you shy?

In front of the cameras?

It's not really bad.

It's not our birthday.

We do it.

You got to wait for the birthday.

We'll send you a video on our birthday. Okay.
Of us kissing. It's fine.
I don't want to say it. We're going to pay apart.
Don't send the video. We kiss at midnight because I'm January 30th.
He's January 31st. All right.
It's like the passing of the torch. You understand.
If you guys had birthdays next to each other, you'd probably kiss. Yeah.
Maybe. So the start of the season, obviously, you guys have been in the news a lot.
You guys are both racing. You're free to race, competing against each other.
I thought maybe we should do a team building exercise. I Googled team building exercise.
So I just Googled how to build a team together. And I have a couple exercises we can do if you guys are down.
You ready? All right. All right.
So it's just to learn learn about each other what's the best piece of advice you've ever received from anyone anyone this is just to learn about each other and you guys are going to walk out of this being like i love you man i love you man just push the right the right pedal okay that's a good advice that's a good advice stay with two feet on the ground Okay. Okay.
What's the most profound experience that you guys have ever had?

This is team building.

It could be.

We got to let ourselves be vulnerable.

It could be anything.

It could be seeing the Northern Lights.

It could be whatever.

You know.

Yeah.

Well, I think the most we've been together, it was in Austria, where I drove you for like

eight hours.

I didn't want to drive.

And you were sitting, and he was on the side.

I was driving the truck through the mountain and so on.

That was actually a good experience.

Look at this.

It was a long day.

We had to wake up super early.

Super early.

Oh, my God.

But it was...

Good team building.

Yeah.

This is good.

You remember these moments. I almost broke the gearbox.
I will never forget. You remember on the track? Yeah.
I love the wheel. Yeah.
Like I remember one time when PFT threw up and I had to hold his hair back. Yeah.
That's team building. That's how you build closeness.
That's how you build a team. That's closeness.
Yeah. All right.
Next one. So what did you learn from that experience? What did we learn? That I can't handle my milk.
Yeah. I thought to cut your hair.
Oh, yeah. So you don't need to hold his hair need to hold his hair that's true yeah also yeah don't drink a gallon of milk and try to run um but that's a different story uh what how do you most like to be recognized or thanked for your contribution so when you do something how do you like people to be like great job how do you like that so you know maybe we start doing it to each other right well just job just being yourself and honest yeah but like so check out wins check out what would you like that? Because maybe we start doing it to each other, right? Good job.
Just being yourself and honest. Yeah.
But like, so Checo wins. Checo, what would you like Max to say to you if you win a race? You are amazing, Checo.
You know, I mean, what you've done. Yeah.
Yeah. That's beautiful.
You've done it. Okay.
So, Max, you win a race. What would you like Checo to say to you? This is good.
I feel like we're making a breakthrough. I really do.
We're getting there, right? Yeah, this is the hard stuff. Actually, in the most Mexican way, you have to approach me.
Okay. Just, I don't know, like with the accent, you know, the full-on Mexican, hey, man.
Good win. Yeah, it's good.
High five. Yeah, I like that.
And then we just, we can't high five. We just keep missing each other.
Yeah. Let's start high fiving each other.
Do you guys have a handshake that you do together? I think it's just a normal. It's not very complicated.
Well, last week. Yeah? Did you? Yeah.
Did you feel it though? Yeah. High five right now.
Let's see it. That was pretty good.
That was pretty good. All right.
That felt good. We're getting used to it, Joe, when you're always on the podium together.
Yeah. High five right now.
Let's see it. That was pretty good.
That was pretty good.

All right.

That felt good.

We're getting used to it, Joe, when you're always on the podium together. Yeah.

You can practice a lot.

Yeah.

The next one here is I want you guys to tell each other what's one quality in each other that you appreciate.

So, Cheka, what's your favorite thing about Max as a person?

He's a good loser, I'll say. Oh, okay.
All right. That's good.
No, no. You're going to go a little off-rails to bring up.
No, because when you have – he has a fame of a bad loser. But honestly, whenever I beat him, he's like – he really like, well done.
and it's not very normal in Formula One to have that sort of teammates you know that's actually a good answer he really comes and you know you're well done mate like yeah rooting for each other and you can see that he feels it and that's I appreciate that yeah Max you would check out yes I wanted to say just you know the family man Checo yeah no because i mean people always so focused you know on their fun career and that's their only sole goal you know to try and achieve and it always feels like if you don't achieve any not what you want in a fun your life is like over or whatever it's you know you get these kind of like impressions but i i do like how Checo handles everything and how he sees f1 world but also you know it's important to have good family life and you know that's probably way more important than whatever you do in f1 anyway you know yeah yeah that's beautiful all right this this last one might be a little tricky but we're going to give it a try okay because i feel like we're getting somewhere the last one that the team building when i googled it it said look into your teammates eyes for 60 seconds without taking away the gaze so you guys are going to look each other's eyes for 60 seconds yeah i'm going to have i have the timer right here and we'll just narrate but you guys just stare at each other okay and we are not allowed to no can't break you're going to want you're're gonna want to but yeah all right you ready to go all right look each other's eyes here we go time all right so they're looking at each other this is good it does look good you feel like you know your souls are connecting i'm really feeling it yeah this is good really bad guy very intense oh yeah oh you look okay i'm gonna have to restart we may never get out of here. Oh, Max just kind of looked away a little too.
Max has really quick eyes. Did you see that? Stay locked in.
You got 40 more seconds, guys. This is, you feel it.
I feel it. Yeah, I feel the love in this room right now.
I feel like you guys are finally connecting. Like, you haven't looked at each other's eyes.
Oh, a little sigh. That was cute.
Yeah. Oh, you're starting to mirror each other's body language, too.
You're nodding a little bit. I'm going to say that you guys can kiss if you want to.
That's fine. Okay.
All right. They're saying no.
20 seconds. They're such good teammates.
They know, like, hey, I don't want to kiss. Yeah, right.
I also don't want to kiss. Right.
All right. This feels good.
This is beautiful. You just look at each other.
Yep. No laughing.
This is so good. I feel the bond is getting stronger.
We got, oh, they went thumbs up on each other. That was just to remind each other they're good.
And time. That was great.
How'd that feel? Unbelievable. Yeah.
I really felt it. Okay.
Do you guys feel closer? Yeah. We were already that close.
It can't even get closer. It can't get any closer.
It can always get closer. No.
No, no. We're going to have to build.
It cannot get closer already. We're going to have to build Christian Horner for all the things we've done for Team Red Bull here.
Therapist. Because this feels like you guys are.
What was that? Like on Google? Like team building? Yeah, it was literally the first thing. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, it was trust falls too, but I don't really want to do a trust fall.
But yeah, yeah. It was the most generic like icebreaker thing you do like in a corporate America.
And we did it. Yeah, what we just did.
Yeah, we did it. And I feel like you guys are as close as you ever met.
It's unbelievable, isn't it? Yeah. Okay, serious F1 question.
Do you think that Formula One is trying to nerf the Red Bull team? Are they trying to make you guys slower with the DRS stuff? Are they out to get you? No. Well, no, no.
I think so far it's been all right. I mean, the thing is natural, you know, when one team is ahead that people start looking into things.
But for the moment, I think it's all right. I mean, we've had it before as well where, you know, other teams have been dominating.
have been dominating and then at one point of course you know there are real changes and things get upset a bit but that's how formula one goes you know yeah so miami last year there was a famous clip because we had uh one of the guys on the broadcast going around interviewing famous people he was getting a bunch of them wrong because they were like american sports stars have you guys met anyone in america that you didn't know who it was and then afterwards they're like hey that was someone pretty important chuck chuck leclerc okay okay you know you know chuck yeah yeah yeah charles leclerc yeah so what he you met him yeah chuck chuck i didn't know who chuck was i didn't know it was charles but did you have you guys met like any big time sports stars and stuff because it was very funny watching it when he would just go up i think i think he walked past patrick mahomes or something yeah he went up to paulo banquero yeah basketball player and said this is patrick mahomes yeah and it was like that couldn't be more wrong yeah So has that happened to you guys now that you're getting bigger in America where you've met someone?

I mean,

at that time,

especially in the grid,

you see all these famous and all these cameras,

but it's like,

you are just thinking about it.

It's like proper tunnel vision.

You don't look left or right.

I think it's more or less same for any sport.

Like if you are the one who has to play or drive or whatever,

like just pretty focused on what you have to do especially when it's that crowded um i mean it would be a bit like before you walk onto the pitch or if there are like fans just walking around right you know it's a bit weird of course we grew up like that but at one point when it gets so crowded you're like whatever yeah what's just do your thing we you know we are just busy and focus with our engineer to go through all the, the things before you even do the start. Right.
So you're pretty isolated in a way as well. Who is your favorite American? Ooh, my favorite American.
Anyone in this room can be picked too. Anyone is a tough question.
Yeah. Anyone.
There's a million of us. I don't know looking around okay favorite american i don't know i don't have but i don't have a favorite daniel daniel ricardo he he's a he's an import he's an import i really felt like he really made it now to the to the it's a perfect answer yeah is that the met gala

yeah that's that's great he does he does wish he was american yeah he really i really i really think the howdy hats all that stuff he arrives on a horse in the paddock when so back to the start when all those fans are on the on the uh track and then they get off and then you're ready to start how like the seconds before you start what's going to is your mind completely blank like i have to just nail this start and you know right away like oh i missed that by a split second or oh that was an incredible start yeah well you feel straight away if it's a good one or a bad one really yeah yeah as soon as you release like the the clutch it's either wheel spin or it just accelerates. So I think last year was okay.
Yeah, it was all right. I mean, I'd stop P3.
But also on a new track, it's the first time you're going to do a start into turn one. There are a lot of things you don't really know about as well.
So it's a bit more exciting, I guess. And then what about if you guys, know sometimes there'll be crashes sometimes there'll be things that you think someone else is doing something dangerous to you or vice versa after the race do you ever go up and talk to those guys you didn't saw the last race the last sprint race no okay you you you should watch it okay nothing happened yeah okay so so what happens after? Do you go and talk to the guy? Yeah, it depends.
Because how bad... If you really want to say something or question, yeah.
Yeah. He had an award with one of the other drivers.
Okay. After the race.
And is it like... But it doesn't get like...
Because in NASCAR, like, they properly... They fist fight.
Yeah. They properly fight.
Yeah. I'm in the wrong sport wrong sport yeah would you like to fight other drivers no no i'm honestly i'm joking yeah if i'm gonna say that it's gonna be all over there no but i mean sometimes of course you see that in nascar right a bit more you know yeah it's not allowed i mean even if you grab someone like that you get already two days of homework.

I've done that already.

So they measure everything that happens on the track.

They measure everything about the car.

They measure everything about driver's reaction time.

There's so much that you have to look through.

How do you sort what's important to pay attention to

and what needs to be improved versus all the other numbers

and data that's coming at you that doesn't really make a difference to you on a day-to-day basis you're going to go ahead can you repeat that one it seems like they measure everything about like everything's tracked yeah in every single race that you do but that's like too much information for you no i think i sorry sorry i i got the question i think at the end of day, we have so much information to look through with the engineers and so on. You know, we have information about the gearbox, about the engine, about the tires, about the brakes.
But at the end of the day, there is so much the driver can control. And I find it useful that you just focus on things that you can change or that you can influence.
Because if you try to focus on so many things at the end of the day it just becomes so much and there are drivers that can have the more more stuff than others and it's just down to you to to feel what you're able to to filter yeah so off that you guys are driving the car you know the car better than the engineers are there times when you're like hey change this and they say no we're not going to because we've we've planned this out like who gets final say when it comes to the modifications of the car well i think if you really really want to then you put whatever you want on the car but it's also working relationship right so i mean if you really force sometimes things through maybe engineer is not entirely happy other people around you so it's also sometimes a bit of a 50 50 scenario where you have to find a compromise right where um sometimes they come up with something and you come up with something which might be a little bit different and you're like oh should we go in the middle or you know so you just have to work together that's why it's a team sport at the end day. And I mean, to just head first go into things and force things on the car is not always, I think, the right way to go.
Yeah. I have a really dumb question.
This is maybe dumber than the other ones that we've asked. Another one.
Yeah, another one. We're really good at asking dumb questions.
Are you better at turning left or turning right good question tough i mean i think in the circuit you have turns where you you just they come more natural to you than others you know because you look at the data at the telemetry and you say i'm looking good at turn one turn two but then i'm missing to max on turn nine and and you have to focus on turn nine but normally it doesn't really matter if it's left or right right normally not i mean you do have a leading eye which i do think has an influence on on things but um yeah it's i think it's more the shape of corners it doesn't really matter if it's left or right. It's like just the speed or the angle, the degrees.
It's actually a good question. Yeah, because they might track that.
You might be just like slightly better at one direction because like you said, the leading eye thing and also being right or left-handed might have like the tiniest bit. What does that mean though, a leading eye? Well, I do feel, I mean, you can see it, right? If you already put your hand in front of your eyes, there is a bit of a difference.
So you always see a bit better through one eye. And I feel like sometimes you can look around the corner a bit better if it's, for me, to the right than a left-hand corner.
But, yeah, it's more like with some kind of reaction stuff or when you're looking're looking you have to look straight but then you have to touch bits on the left or the right it can have a bit of an of an influence as well yeah maybe an f1 it's not as big but yeah okay so uh last question you guys have been great it's great having you on uh good luck with the rest of the season can we get last high five? I just want to see it one more time just so people can see it. See how much it developed.
Yeah, like have we gotten better? So let's go high five. Oh, no.
Big one more. Oh, it's failed.
You can tell you're a golfer because you didn't connect on a high five. I think it didn't work.
We got to end with a high five. Look.
Bam. See that? Come on.
You guys high five. Let's see the trust.
Yes. Okay.
Beautiful. It feels like we got something accomplished here.
So thank you guys. You got to tell Christian.
Yes. Yes.
Yeah. No, we're going to bill him $2 billion for what we've done today.
Yeah. That's a good start.
Yes. Good luck.
If you get 200 bucks, you've done a good job. All right.
Well, thank you guys and best of luck for the rest of the season. Thank you guys.
Thanks Thanks, guys. And now for something completely different.
Okay, we now welcome on one of our favorite recurring guests, probably the longest-running thing that we do on the calendar. It's true.
Randy Moss for the Kentucky Derby. It is time.
You can see him on NBC. He's going to be doing the Oaks on Friday.
He's got the Kentucky Derby on Saturday. It's a great weekend for horse racing.
Randy, let's start big picture. How are we feeling about the track, weather, just general vibe for this year's Kentucky Derby? Well, it's Derby week, so you know it's going to rain.
I think it's supposed to rain Friday for the Oaks. And the weathermen are as bad handicappers as the rest of us.
But what they say is that by the time we get to Saturday, it's going to be okay. And I mean, you know, big cat from the past, the racetrack of Churchill is, uh, is so fast drying that it ought to be, if they're right, then it ought to be a pretty good, uh, pretty good track Saturday, but it's looking good.

The horses are all, uh. is so fast drying that it ought to be, if they're right,

then it ought to be a pretty good track Saturday.

But it's looking good.

The horses all seem to be training pretty well, and the place looks good.

They're redoing the paddock, and they have a whole new grandstand area

on the first turn that looks almost space age.

It looks like Arlington Park is really nice.

So, yeah, all systems go.

I'd love to make it to the Kentucky Derby at some point. That's on my bucket list of events.
I can't believe I haven't been there yet. But it seems like the most fun ever.
I'm sure you still have a great time after, you know, you've been going for a really long time. It's still probably one of the best weekends of your year.
I haven't been paying that much attention to the storylines leading up to this year's Derby. So really all I know going into this derby, I think, is this the last year?

Like Bob Baffert's not allowed to be training any horses in this race, right?

Besides that, maybe we can get back to that later.

Besides that, what are the big storylines in this year's race?

Well, there's a lot of them as always. And by the way, before you come to the derby for the first time, go to YouTube or Amazon and look up Hunter S.
Thompson Kentucky Derby. Just Google that and read what the Louisville native Hunter S.
Thompson has to say about the Kentucky Derby. You'll be laughing for a week.
That was my intro into the Kentucky Derby. The Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved.
One of the best, best stories of all time. Yeah.
Okay. You beat me to it then.
You already know. Storylines, uh, other than the Baffert storyline, I think probably the number one storyline in this race is going to be the two Japanese horses in the race because Japanese horses guys are absolutely kicking ass worldwide.
It's happened in Saudi Arabia where they dominate. It's happened in Dubai where this year in the UAE Derby they ran one, two, three, four.
They won the Dubai World Cup. The number one rated horse in the world is a Japanese turf horse.
They won at the Breeders' Cup here the last time they had runners. They had two winners, including one that looked like she had absolutely no chance at all.
They've won in Australia. Wherever they go, the Japanese horses right now are, they look like the best horses in the world.
And it got to the point that in the Santa Anita Derby this year, they shipped a horse from Japan that ran at a B-level racetrack in Japan, a horse called Mandarin Hero. And he got beat that far in the Santa Anita Derby.
So there are two Japanese horses in the Derby this year. One of them is my pick to win the Derby.
He's probably going to be seven eight nine ten to one his name is derma soto gake and uh in my eyes not only do you have the japanese right now but he to me he looks like the fastest horse in the race so i think it's you know keep it simple stupid right yeah so and i think you said it last year maybe it was a private conversation but the japanese horse racing has had a boom recently but isn't it uh and i may have this wrong but it all goes back to is it seattle slew what was the horse that basically uh was the start the come of that horse for lack of a better term was the start of all these japanese horses. And now they're, you know, generations down the line and it's all starting to become this like huge, huge thing.
Yeah. You got the right story.
The horse is Sunday silence. That's right.
Who won the Kentucky won the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness and the Breeders' Cup classic in 1989. When he retired to stud, none of the American breeders were excited about him at all.
They didn't really want to breed to him. So the owner of the horse, Arthur Hancock, from Kentucky, got this fantastic offer from the Japanese, and he needed the money to save the farm.
The farm was in some financial difficulty because it was an economic downturn. So he sold Sunday Silence against really his best wishes to the Japanese.
And Sunday Silence became one of, if not the most influential sires in the world. And almost all of these Japanese horses, including the two that we'll see in the derby, traced back in their pedigree two, three generations back to Sunday Silence silence has been the bedrock of this of this japanese uh resurgence in horse racing yeah it's fascinating that it all goes back to to sunday silence yeah yeah do uh do the horses care about time zones do you have to get the japanese horses in ahead of time because i mean if you just ship a horse over from japan i have to imagine like it is halfway around the world.
Day is night. Night is day.
Yeah, yeah. That's the that's the only conceivable drawback to this horse running in the Kentucky Derby and his chances to win is travel.
That's the only that's that's what people will cite if they say they don't like Dermasodagaki because he he went from, obviously, from Japan to Saudi Arabia, and he ran in the big Saudi race for three-year-olds. And then he went from Saudi to Dubai, which is just a puddle jump.
And he won the UAE Derby by five and a half lengths or something like that. And then from Dubai to the United States.
But he's been here for quite a while. He's had a chance to acclimate in the flesh he looks great uh hasn't lost any weight he his workouts have been really good um really nice looking horse and so you know i'm i'm gonna try not to get too deep into the weeds on the travel and just uh trust the japanese because they certainly know they've proven that they know how to travel with their horses and succeed.
Yeah, so Derma Sotogate, which will probably take some money because of what you said, you know, Japanese horses, the UA Derby, everything. Forte is the favorite, 3-1 right now.
Where do you think the price is going to land with the favorite? Is it going to be a horse that is, like, is Forte a horse that is that much better than everyone else, that everyone's going to wake up and the casual bettors are going to get in on it? Or is this something that maybe it goes, maybe three to one, it goes four to one? Yeah, I think the latter. I think it goes seven to two, four to one.
There's not a lot of love right now from some of the big bettors out there for Forte. And it's not just because he's the favorite and they're trying to beat the favorite.
He's the most accomplished horse in the race. He was the two-year-old champion last year.
He won the Breeders' Cup Juvenile. He's only been beaten once in his career.
But his win last time out in the Florida Derby was not visually the type of race that you would like to see if you're going to bet a Kentucky Derby favorite. It looked like it left to me and a lot of people, it left a lot to be desired.
So I think Forte is definitely a favorite to try to take a stand against. And another reason to like the Japanese horse is that the American three-year-olds this year, they're okay.
I wouldn't say they're bad, but it's a pretty average group right now on paper i think we ask this question every year but who is the uh who's the wild card horse like the draymond green of horses that will you know liable to freak out uh maybe cause a ruckus uh when when they first get started but ultimately could be a horse that could make some noise tap it trice is his name okay and he Okay. And he's actually going to be the second favorite in the race, but he comes from the same barn as Forte.
Todd Pletcher is the trainer. Tappet Trice is a horse that's got just a world of talent, but he doesn't like the starting gate.
He breaks slowly from the starting gate in most all of his races. He doesn't like run inside of horses he gets kind of claustrophobic when horses start to come over on him he kind of freaks out a little bit he doesn't necessarily like dirt hitting him in the face and he's in a 20 horse field it's tough business yeah yeah he doesn't he's not the kind of horse that can get stopped in traffic and then pick it right back up again it him a while.
He's like a locomotive that, you know, when he gets rolling, he can really roll. But it takes him a while to get going, and he's not a stop-and-start kind of horse to go through traffic.
So all of those things are going to work against him in a 20-horse field. But they'll try to get him wide so he's outside and he's out of all the kickback and he doesn't have to stop and start and if he doesn't get caught too wide he doesn't lose too much ground he he can really run so this this uh race feels like won't be one of those kentucky derby's where this pace is insane right to start who does that favor so like it's going to be a little bit slower start, not one of those ones where it's like, holy shit, they're going so fast.
Which horses in the field does that favor, knowing that the pace probably won't be blistering right out of the gate? Number one on the top of that list is Dermot Sotagaki. He went wire to wire in the UAE Derby, but he doesn't have to be in front.
It was the only time of his life he's ever actually gone to the early lead. So he's versatile.
He's adaptable. He can go either way.
But he'll be really close. The other horse is a horse called Bear Fine, who didn't get the best draw.
He's in post position number two, but he's got some early speed as well. Those are the two horses, I think, that are going to be favored the most, it looks like, by what the pace is going to be.
And with the Japanese horse, guys, the one thing I'm worried about, the main thing I'm worried about, and I don't ordinarily put a whole lot of stock in the jockeys because when you get to the Kentucky Derby, this level, the jockeys, there's not a lot of difference between your Ired Ortiz's and, you know, your Flabby and Pratt's. And you can just pick them out of a hat.
There really doesn't make much difference. But Dermasodagaki is ridden by a Frenchman named Christophe Lomare, who has relocated to Japan.
And he's one of the leading riders in Japan. Not all that familiar with American dirt racing.
And last year, he had a mountain in the Kentucky Derby on another Japanese horse called Crown Pride, who was also the UAE Derby winner. Didn't look as good as Nerva Sobhagate, but he wasn't a bad horse.
He left the starting gate like he was in a corner horse race. Christophe Lemaire was like in almost in a drive out of the starting gate and he hooked up with another foreign jockey on a horse called summer is tomorrow uh and they went the first quarter mile in a sprint time 21 and three fifth seconds it was the fastest opening quarter mile in the history of the Kentucky Derby so hopefully Christophe Lemaire has learned something from his last year's Mount in the Kentucky Derby, which was his last American dirt race, by the way.
And he won't ride Dermasodagake the same way that he rode Crown Pride, fingers crossed. So speaking of that, last year's race obviously was a memorable one because of Rich Strike at 80-1.
You know how gambling works. People will take that from last year and be like well it's going to happen again let's find the long shot on the board so yeah i'm not saying it's going to happen again but if you had to pick a horse that was 30 to 1 or more that has hey this could be another magical ride uh which horse would it be? Probably a horse named Hitchow, who was second in the Wood Memorial.
The Wood Memorial is not going to get a lot of love because it's a race that's really kind of fallen on hard times as an effective Kentucky Derby prep race. This year was kind of a slow running as well.
It's kind of a messy race, three horses at at the wire together bumping and grinding uh but his show i think is going to get a little bit overlooked because of that he's trained by brad cox he's got four horses in the derby um brad's one of the very best trainers in the business he's on a real roll right now and i think his show would be the most likely you know big long shot uh to win and now he's not 80 to 1 like rich strife yeah and now hit shows on the rail and you you know we've learned that the gate has changed they changed the gate a few years ago has it made the rail a lot better has it changed it like to a point where the rail is not something people should be afraid of years past the Kentucky Derby? First of all, my opinion, and it happens to be a minority opinion, but I can back it up with statistics. The rail was never as bad as people like to make it out to be.
As a matter of fact, if you go back 30 years into Kentucky Derby, on average, horsesaking from the number one post position outran their odds. Now, you could, there were certain horses who, with the running style, that could be disadvantaged by having the rail.
But most of the time, racing on the inside is the shortest way around, and it actually could benefit a horse. But yes, one of the big disadvantages in the old way, in the old starting

gate at Churchill Downs, they used two starting gates, right? They didn't have one huge 20-horse starting gate. They had two 14-horse gates that they sort of put end-to-end, or maybe a 14 and a 10, I think it was.
And as a result, the horse that broke from the rail in order to fit both gates onto the racetrack, when they left the gate, the horse was looking right into the bend of the rail as it turned down the stretch. So the jockeys would have to maneuver out around that bend in the rail, and it could cause some issues.
Now with the new starting gate at Churchill Downs, it's a 120-horse gate, so it's not as wide, and the number one post position no longer has that disadvantage so they can run a straight line and not have to worry about it. Interesting.
All right, so back to Bob Baffert. It's his last year suspended from the Kentucky Derby, but he's in litigation, right? So he's kind of like taking his time on this.
Maybe I'm not well-read enough on the story, but the way i've read it is that he's kind of extended his own issues with the derby by taking this whole thing to court and exhausting all of his legal options but is this is this the last year that he will be suspended from the derby yes this is the last year the baffert will be suspended from the derby look there is certainly no love lost between Churchill Downs and Bob Baffert. And as soon as they handed down a two-year suspension, it was guaranteed, or two-year ban, it was guaranteed that there was going to be no love lost between them.
Baffert has fought everything in court that he could possibly fight. And so far, even in the cases that it looked like he might have a chance, you know, to at least get, you know, some sort of relief.

He's been shot down every time by the by the Kentucky court system. It's gotten to the point where if you go to Bob's old barn at Churchill Downs, which used to be covered with signs, you know, about Bob's previous six derby winners.
And it was like a shrine to the Baffert stable. It was tastefully done, but it was, you know, it was his barn.
It was Bob's barn. And it stayed there year round.
And it was like a tourist attraction. You can't find any trace of Bob Baffert on the Churchill Downs backstretch.

They've pretty much like whitewashed Bob Baffert from the history of the Kentucky Derby,

at least visually when you come to the back side.

So, yeah, there's a lot of animosity, I think, between Baffert and Churchill Downs.

And it'll be interesting to see how that plays out when he's back at Churchill Downs, almost certainly with some high-level horses next year. Yeah.
Okay, so I have a couple last questions. Always great to see you, Randy.
I just love this stretch where we have all the playoffs and then Kentucky Derby comes and we get to see your face and it's like it's all happening. All right, I want to talk about the Oaks in a second, but give us one last thing on the Kentucky Derby.
I love playing exotics. I love building just ridiculous tickets.
What horse should I have added that you know is like, hey, they might not be there, but they're a great finisher, and if you're trying to hit a try, you probably want to have them as part of it. If you're looking for a big long shot to go into the try other than hit show i would say a horse called disarm um who's it going to be a stretch runner who's doing really well you know there's not a lot of speed in the race on paper so that's not going to help and we talked about that uh but my exacto right now is dermis so got king and horse called verifying we talked about those two as being the ones that could benefit the most from the pace and and while you're betting uh you bring a little extra money because the race before the kentucky derby okay it's a race called the old forester turf classic it's a mile and an eighth on the grass right there's a horse in the race called up to the mark that that I am really excited to bet on.
He's trained by Todd Fletcher. Love all of his recent races.
He might not even be the favorite, probably second choice, but he's a horse you can bet on in the race before the Derby, and then maybe you can have a little bit more ammunition, right, when he gets to the Derby race itself. Okay, I like it.
Now, what about Oaks? Do you have a pick for us in the Oaks? It's kind of a bad Oaks, honestly. It really is.
It's a pretty lackluster group of horses. To me, it's going to be hard to beat the favorite.
The favorite's name is Wet Paint. She's a horse that's won, I think, three races in a row all at Oakland Park.
It comes from last, which is pretty unusual for a horse to be that consistently a winner on dirt with that kind of running style uh she's two of her races have been on wet racetracks so if the weatherman is right and it rains on friday that might even group her up uh and there was another horse in the race called south lawn one word um who's also really in good form right now so it's it's nothing you know i'm not telling you anything that a lot of other people couldn't get out of the racing form but i like a wet paint south lawn exact okay wet paint i feel like that's a name that there there has to have been another horse named wet paint before right probably i don't know i didn't look it up how it's owned by godolphin right so Godolphin is Sheikh Mohammed, the ruler of Dubai. And sometimes he names all these horses with Arabic names that are hard to pronounce and nobody knows what they actually mean.
But wet paint for this one. I feel like there should be some sort of...
Somebody should be keeping track of that. Make sure that we don't have any duplicate named horses also do you know oh they do they do oh really yeah very strict rules about the reuse of names there has to be a certain waiting period if a horse is really good and like it's standing at stud or a brood mare or or you know major stakes winner that name gets thrown out and you can't use it anymore like they won't be they'll never be another Seattle slew or firm, you know, or Sunday silence for that matter.
So, yeah, they keep pretty close tabs on them. Roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com.
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There should be a rule that you have to race a certain amount of races because what happened is I think a lot of people tuned in and just anecdotally friends hitting me up being like, this horse is incredible. Why is it not racing anymore? It's like, well, it makes so much more money going to stud than continuing to race but flight

line was that type of horse that you saw and it took your breath away and every i mean what a race five races four races like every single race was the same thing of like oh my god i can't believe how good this horse is can we change this can we fix this they have to race again it's money. You said it.
Horses can make way more money, like Lightline, that good. Way more money at stud than they can ever hope to make on the racetrack.
It could be changed, Big Cat, but there's only one way to do it, and it would have to be done worldwide, not just in the United States. But it would benefit every country, really.
and the breeders would fight it because of the money involved but here it is and i've been saying this for years a rule in this in the book that says that that no horse can race okay unless the stallion and the dam were at least five years old uh at time of conception. Put in, yeah.
Which means horses would have to stay in training throughout their, they couldn't just retire at the end of their three-year-old year. They would have to stay in training as a four-year-old.
Now, with Flightline. He's older, yeah.
It wouldn't have made a difference with Flightline because he was already four. He had had some injuries early in his career and some setbacks that had put him behind schedule and that's why he only had only run you know so few times so it wouldn't necessarily have resulted in flight line staying but there are a lot of really like american pharaoh yeah a lot of really good horses they get retired after their three-year-old season because the money is so you know overwhelming it's look

at flight line right you they've i think they retired of a stud for a 200 000 stud fee okay they could breed flight line easily uh conservatively to 150 mayors whoa okay that's that's 30 million dollars the first year for flight line so horses typically have breed three different years really two before you you see their offspring and breeders have a chance to look at the babies and see how good they look and all that so that's a guaranteed 60 mil it's before you ever ever know how good the bakers look and 90 mil before you ever see them run it's not so the money is absurd it's absurd yeah yeah the only way to change it would be something like i said and it would feel like more of a long play if people could get together because again it's like people you know it's similar to sports you root for the teams that you know the players you know if you have these horses that are exceptional and if american pharaoh keeps racing after uh you know the breeders went after retired like people will tune in because like oh i know that name so i don't know it's just it's just it's a bummer sometimes when you see a horse like that and you like you said flight line was already uh old enough but when when you see a horse like that, you're like, all I want to do is see this horse run again. Like, I want to see this horse run and race.
I don't care about the $30 million just going in someone's pocket. But I know that's not how the world works.
You just hit on the single biggest problem in horse racing right now. yeah that's it the really early retirement of

the superstars you know what they call that when when horses take time off from racing so they can just breed all the time load management management yeah uh was flight line one of the best horses you ever saw yes yeah uh secretariat was the best story i didn't see him in the flesh i watched him as a kid on TV.

The three best,

I'd say four,

the four best horses that i've that i've since i've been around following it were secretariat uh flight line spectacular bid uh and american feral damn i got to see two of them at the breeders i feel fortunate yeah i would put them in that in that order wow and i know some people think it's it's heresy to say that flight line was better than american pharaoh because american pharaoh was obviously a really good horse but i just think that uh the flight line was better yeah and and the beauty of horse racing is you can say like if secretary was in this kent Kentucky Derby, they would dust him, right? Secretary would be the favorite. Oh, yeah.
Because Secretary, when he won the Kentucky Derby, he had to beat a horse who would have won the Triple Crown any other year. Yeah.
The horse's name was Sham. And to this day, Sham has run the second fastest Kentucky Derby in history.
That's crazy. Sham got a real raw deal.
Yes, Sham got an extremely raw deal. Yeah.
Remember Sham. He's one of the best horses that nobody considers to be an all-time great.
That's tough. Tough break.
All right. Well, Randy, thank you as always.
You are the best. We appreciate it.
Good luck. Everyone tune in.
See him on Friday and Saturday. Maybe we've got to talk before the Preakness.
All right. Whenever, guys.
Love watching you. Keep it up.
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But we put out our all we put out our tomorrow. Oh, no.
Shout out to the handle song. We put out our golf video.
It's on YouTube now. Me and Big Cat versus PFT and Aaron.
And the response is overwhelmingly negative. People were just roasting my golf game.
I'm a little bit, you know, vulnerable. You think I did that to you? I think you have.
I think your over-exaggeration of how much I golf has created this created this narrative that people what's expecting me to

be better than I am I guess I don't know I think we talk about you golfing the exact correct amount that you golf correct have we ever said that you're going golfing when you're not actually going golfing so all right so we we filmed this video we actually did two videos so the other ones will be out on macrodosing today at noon so go check it out macrodosing YouTube um so we we played these two golf videos what did you do after well i had a flight because i had a uh right so oh okay vacation so what did you do before you got on your flight well i had hours i had a lot of time question what'd you do i stuck around and you at the golf course what'd you do at the golf course i mean there's nothing else to do i? I mean, there's nothing else to do. I had to golf.

And then when you flew to your vacation, what did you do on your vacation?

I hung out with my family and my niece and nephew who I never met before

and spent quality family time.

And then one day went golf.

Just one day?

Well, one day I went with my brother.

One day I went with my brother, so that counts as family time.

And then the other day you played 36?

No.

18. I played 36 the whole week.
What I love is I get notifications every time Hank plays golf. This is bad.
I've had to thought about... So pull it up and see how many rounds he's played.
I'm talking about blocking PFT on here. Let's check it out.
How many rounds has he played? What I'll do is I'll just text Hank after he zones his first hole and be like, that's a tough triple bow. I want to be on this.
But listen, I'm trying to get... No.
No. This is like when Dave used to have my Snapchat.
I didn't realize it. I had to block him on there.
Let's see. 2013.
Find my friends. Okay, here we go.
So what's the problem? You golf a lot. You have a 20.5 handicap.
Is that good? I think that's decent. That's the thing.
I don't think I'm that good at golf. The problem is that everyone is being really mean to me and saying how bad i am at golf when i have never myself said that i'm good okay that is my that is my fire fest that is where this issue lies is people i think were expecting unfairly me to be really good at golf despite the fact that i have never said that i am can i throw out just a thought yes just a thought i need to golf more to get better no no no no you watch a no, no.
You watch a lot of golf videos online. I do.

You like watching golf videos. I'm a big fan.

Have you ever noticed that golf videos, every person in the comments says, picks apart everyone's swing and says why they're better?

Have you noticed that Max Homa is entire like for a year had a stick where he would roast people's swings?

Has that registered at all?

That no matter what you look like on that course, people would say, find something to pick you apart.

Thank you. people's swings has that registered at all that no matter what you look like on that course people would say find something to pick you apart that's that's a fair point that's a fair counterpoint that's fair there's two things people like in life golf and telling everyone else their golf swing sucks those are like the two biggest golf hobbies out there okay so it looks like hank played on the 28th he played on the 26th i took a big break off played on the 21st played on the 19th played on the 17th these are nine holes though oh and the 16th okay 16th and 17th holes though then the 7th okay and the 6th those were the yeah it looks like you played 36 holes in in san diego okay and then you played with us in in houston so you've had a busy month nine nine rounds in april that's pretty good looks it looks about right yeah that's that's a decent amount of golf i would say i'd say most people aren't playing nine rounds in a month some of those are nine holes that's really probably like six total whatever all i know is i'm how many times the range my a lot of time my vow and my promise the awls is that i am going to put the work in but so that i can live up to the expectation but you do realize that's very big of you i'm gonna have this narrative that all i do is golf i might as well golf all the time yep you guys good job guys you've done it you talked hank into playing more golf i hope you're happy with yourselves you could shoot a 72 at shinnecock like i did and if it was on video people would be like wow you suck wow, you suck.
No way did you shoot a 72. No, but the score stands for itself.
Right. I got that handicap down.
It's all right. The narrative started now.
You guys have created this monster and I'm just going to, I'm going to live it. Do they kick you off the website if you put in fake scores? I don't know how that works.
No. I'm going to become a scratch golfer by the end of the week.
Okay. PFT.
All right. So my fire fest of the week is something I'd forgotten about until just earlier today.
It was a big future me thing and things have been in limbo for a while as different things were being analyzed and okayed through higher ups. But I can say now I am going to be going up in an F18.
next week next week no not no it's in like two weeks it's in like two weeks yeah um but it's something that i really never had to actually think about doing until the final process was complete so my physical came back i'm built like a shit brick house they're cool with it the navy's fine with it obviously so i told you that i'm'm going up in a Navy F-18, so I'm going to be hitting the simulator pretty hard over the next couple weeks and get my mind right, get prepared for it. So in case something happens to the pilot, I can take over the six and land.
Should we take another trip to the Empire State Building? No, no, no. It's different.
It's different. They were very clear.
A crippling fear of heights is not an issue. If I had a fear of enclosed spaces, if I was claustrophobic, then that's an issue.
I actually agree with that because the one time I went skydiving, you're so high up that it's not like heights because it doesn't seem real. I would like it's scarier when you're skydiving.
It's less scary to be jumping out of the plane than it is to be like 300 feet off the ground.

Yeah, I would shit myself if I went skydiving.

I'm probably going to piss myself in the F-18.

Probably.

I'm probably going to puke.

Probably going to piss. Piss dogs, bro.

Piss dogs.

The content will probably be funny watching me just get terrified up there.

Hell yes.

Who's this for?

It's during a NASCAR race in Poconos.

Nice.

And there's an air show going on that week.

Yeah.

So they're sending me up.

Where is the Poconos?

It sounds like such a cool place. Yeah.
South Pacific, I thought. But if you go.
It's a great name. I actually had that same problem because it was like the Catskills and the Poconos kind of, they're kind of same.
It feels like the same thing, but they're not. Yeah.
And then there's the Finger Lakes. Yep.
Urban Meyer's got a house there. Yep.
Yeah. I've been on some races in the finger lakes yeah i'm gonna be i'm gonna be terrified basically non-stop for the next three weeks as i anticipate going up at this plane you got this but again i'll just i'll i i will do some some ghost of manhattan work and get back to work in the simulator because i've been i've been forgetting to do that i'm losing some of my training and uh yeah i'm i'm like you're not actually flying the plane, right? He might.
They might. They might let me fly.
You never know. If there's a Chinese weather balloon up there, if it flies, it dies.
I'm shooting that motherfucker down. Yep.
I don't know if it's going to have missiles on it. I'll bring my own missile.
Yeah. Just right before.
Just make sure that they have some missiles on it. All right, Max, do you want to do a fire fest? What? Memes? Memes has a fire fest.
Oh, yeah. Memes.
Oh, no. Okay, memes.
Memes doesn't want to be on camera. Uh-oh.
Don't say that. Uh-oh.
I will shit myself on the plane here. Oh, yeah.
you texted what do you mean almost you texted the group and then you never followed up yeah it was a catastrophe uh so get on the plane sit down take off yes we know planes work immediate pain in my stomach okay i was like. I was like, all right, I'm going to have to shit at some point.
I'll just hold it. Aisle or window? Aisle.
Okay. Two hours into the flight.
You held it? Held it. Why? I thought I could make it.
Built different. Immediate pain.
Wait. You thought you could make it to just another toilet that's just as shitty?

Yeah.

You wanted to make it to a land-based toilet.

You wanted to make it to an airport toilet.

Yeah.

Okay.

Boots on the ground.

And I was sitting one seat away from first class.

All right.

So one seat away from first class.

They get all their food.

So close.

You can taste it.

Immediate pain. I get paralyzed pretty much.
I was like, this is about their food. So close.
You can taste it. Immediate pain.

I get paralyzed pretty much.

I was like, this is about to all just come out.

I run to the front of the plane.

Oh, no.

They're like, get out of here.

Pretty much.

The lady had the cart.

She was like, can't go here.

Got to go to the back.

So I'm speed walking through the entire plane looking around.

Hank's passed out in the middle of the aisle.

Obviously.

I make it to the back i i was just panicking i was like where's the bathroom she points right there we go in it's like a closet it was just what's funny is like a lot of people like has memes ever been on a plane before yeah and the reality is this is memes probably like fourth plane yeah yeah and then i get done i come out and there's just a massive line down the entire airplane it was just brutal so wait but you shit yourself before you got to the toilet yeah a little bit came out and then i was just running through hanks passed out it was just so funny one kid smiled at me i think he was a wall but like a AWL. AWL? Owl what'd you do with the underwear oh i threw it out it's captain america underwear oh no you could have won mvp yeah that's tough you have great taste fun also if you're watching youtube max is wearing the puke shirt today just a little fun fact max wears a puke shirt every day like it's crazy i think i personally think max needs to bring back pants for the next game.
If it's really you can't lose, you got to wear the pants. James Harden would.
Yep. One quick note about pass out.
Obviously, I was passed out. I pass out every flight.
And I think I've talked about this before, how sometimes I sleep talk and snore. I know that.
People have told me that before, but no one ever tells me on a plane. And I was sitting next to this French kid.
He this french kid he was probably like i don't know 14 17 range and when we were landing i woke up and he was giving me a look like some shit went out when i was you popped a boner like he was like yeah you know you he was giving me like just a look of like and i i wanted to ask him but i also was like if he's not going to say something i'm not going to ask him you had a boner yeah either that or you just made your standard mouth noises and yeah or sleep talking he's probably going to go back to france and be like americans they all do this when they sleep you had a boner next to a kid 14 year old french kid anything could have happened yeah i mean their culture yeah it's fine yeah i actually completely accepted it was like uh i would describe it like the last scene of inception when everyone wakes up and they're like looking at each other that was me and this kid like he was giving me a look i was gonna look well you might have just started the weird looks no no you wake up that's true you could have just got woken up and just started giving him a weird look and he's like what the fuck yeah um okay my fire is also airport related. I was late to the airport.
I was doing stuff on Wednesday. And so I was like, fuck it.
I'm just going to drive, which I don't know why I thought that would make it faster. Whatever.
I was just going quickly. Park my car.
I have no idea where it is. Never took a picture.
Oh, at the airport. I just realized as we were talking about all the airport stuff that i have no idea where yeah i always i text myself if you look at my history of text messages with myself it's just a series of letters and numbers from various times i've parked i'm fucked i'm so fucked i i like i always take a picture and i just didn't take a picture did you park in the i think i parked in a in a 24-hour lot and my i'm gonna have to pay like 500 bucks i didn't do that i didn't take a picture.
Did you park in the, I think I parked in a, in a 24 hour lot and my,

I'm going to have to pay like 500 bucks.

I didn't do that. I didn't have enough time.

And it was like,

I was pulling in.

I was like,

I didn't have enough time to like,

I was like,

I think it's the wrong one,

but I didn't have enough time to go find the right one.

Right.

You know what you do?

You go back and you're like,

I think I'm going to leave on Sunday.

It's going to be egregious.

If you go back to the airport,

you just tell them that you think your car was stolen.

And then using their cameras,

they'll be like,

no,

it wasn't stolen. Here's exactly where it is.
Yeah. They'll be able to tell you.
Driving to the airport, you just tell them that you think your car was stolen. And then using their cameras, they'll be like, no, it wasn't stolen.

Here's exactly where it is.

Yeah.

They'll be able to tell you.

Driving to the airport is stupid, but it also is the best because when you get off the plane,

you're like, I don't have to try to find a taxi.

Wait for a cab.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And actually, with Uber prices, it actually is pretty much the same price.

But yeah, I'm not going to find my car.

Yeah.

Maybe I'll just take an Uber home and just let them like. They'll get it back to you someday i mean my lease is up soon so maybe i just never never go back it's not yeah just report it stolen like you guys can go get it it's somewhere at laguardia yeah there should be a triple a service that does that there's probably a chip in your car do you have them the key and just be like go and somewhere in LaGuardia.
Do you have an on-star or anything? No, none of that stuff. It's tough.
It's all right. It's fine.
It's, it's fine. Um, all right.
So we are obviously on the road. Obviously you got to watch F1 on, uh, Sunday route for Logan Sargent route for Williams racing.
We are going to FaceTime Jack McCarthy, who is no Jack McGuire, Jack McGuire. Let me get Jack Mack from the studio.
He's going to do the lottery ball for us. He's in the office working Viva hours.
Did you see that you're allowed to bet on the actual draft lottery this year? You can bet on the ping pong balls. Hank, any hot tips? Bulls.
I like that. That would be sick.
I'm going Spurs. All right.
I got to screen record this too so that we can put it in the YouTube. Jack.
All right. Perfect.
Hank, have you ever gotten this no all right numbers 17 you didn't say it 99 you paused you paused how how can you know that this is coming every single show that we ever record i gave you no you didn't i gave you the time yeah there no no it. It was a much bigger gap than usual.
Jack, you get to guess two. Okay.
What do you want? 73. 73.
Memes? 1. 1.
Max? 20. 20.
All right. What's your guess, Hank? 6? Hank guessed 6.
Okay. There we go.
Keep it right on there. Okay.

Here we go.

Keep it right on there.

Yep.

Oh, it looks like maybe a single digit.

Nope.

It is 62.

62.

Getting closer, Hank. All right.

Thank you, Jack.

We appreciate it. Yep.
All right. See ya.
You didn't want to win that one anyways. 62.
Getting closer, Hank. All right.
Thank you, Jack. We appreciate it.
All right. See ya.
You didn't want to win that one anyways. No.
On the road. Asterix.
You didn't want to win that one. That would have been fun.
That would have been a bubble. But you wouldn't have because it's the lottery machine.
So you'll never win it. Right.
What if I get 17 before you? What's the puku? Yeah. we've had this conversation before.
Same as the Lakers Sixers finals. I don't know which I'd rather have.
Yeah. Well, you're not going to get one of them.
Yeah. One of them actually could happen.
Okay. See everyone Monday.
We got an awesome interview with Michael Davies. He is executive producer of Jeopardy Masters.

He also is the executive producer of Barstool Van Talk.

So we had some awesome flashback.

What was your perspective from the whole thing?

And also he's got a brish accent, so he's cool.

Old friend.

Love you guys.

Hank, good luck golfing.

Yeah.

Animal fact. Hank has golfed more than any other animal on Earth in the last month.