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Speaker 1 On today's Pardon My Take, UConn wins the national title. We put a bow on the 2023 NCAA tournament, talking about the national championship game, talking about the tournament in general.

Speaker 1 We also are turning the page. We have masters preview for everyone.
Look at that. We're right away, bang, right on to the next one.

Speaker 1 We have Max Homa for a little pump up, getting his mind right for Augusta this weekend. And then we have Shane Bacon on to break down the entire field.
Some long shots, some course changes.

Speaker 1 He's going to tell us all about the masters. And we finish with some FAQs.
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Speaker 1 Welcome to part of my take. Today is Wednesday, April 5th, and the Connecticut Huskies are officially basketball royalty.

Speaker 5 Dan Hurley has painted his masterpiece. UConn is officially a blue blood now, right?

Speaker 1 Officially, they have hemophilia.

Speaker 5 Welcome to the Blue Blood Club. That means that your ancestors were doing some incest,

Speaker 5 dabbling in some sisterhood.

Speaker 1 And your uncle might be a pedophile.

Speaker 5 Well, that's okay in this circumstance because you're a basketball royalty. You've made it.
You've joined all the other blue teams that are blue bloods. Yes.
So I think they kick Villanova out, right?

Speaker 5 And then they move Villanova's out.

Speaker 1 Villanova's out. UConn has won their fifth title in the last 24 years.
UConn is also the only second team all time to win titles in

Speaker 1 four consecutive decades. So they won in 99.
They won 2004.

Speaker 1 They won 2010 and

Speaker 1 2011, 2014. And now they've won 2023.
So that's four consecutive decades. The only other team to do that, North Carolina.
So they are basketball royalty. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I know we have the debate about Blue Bloods, all this stuff. Five in 24 years is insane.

Speaker 5 And they've done it with three different head coaches, too.

Speaker 1 Three different head coaches. Shout out to Kevin Ollie.

Speaker 5 Kevin Ollie laid the foundation to build up KubeCon basketball.

Speaker 1 Kevin Ollie is Fredo. Yep.
It's, it's, it's, uh, I guess Jim Calhoun would be Sonny, and then Dan Hurley would be Michael Corleone, which is perfect.

Speaker 5 Banners fly forever, though. Yeah.
And I, before we, we dive further into this championship game, um, I'd just like to say thank you for being my friend. Yes.
Jim Nance with a sign-off at the end.

Speaker 5 Goodbye. Thank you for being my friend.

Speaker 5 He claims that it was not a play on the hello friends. He just thinks everybody's his friend.
That's just how he addresses people.

Speaker 1 I'll say it. I'm his friend.
And I enjoyed him on the podium after the

Speaker 1 commissioner of the NCAA or someone from the NCAA who was

Speaker 1 getting a little too close to Jim.

Speaker 1 You know, it was a little weird whenever that guy, whoever presents the trophy is always like, it's a weird position to be in because, like, no one's there to see you, dude.

Speaker 1 And then Jim Nance tried to make Dan Hurley cry, which he probably was grabbing his butt when he did that. But it was, it was a hell of a tournament run.

Speaker 1 Like, we can talk about the full tournament in a minute, but UConn, what they did, they beat every single team by double digits. They

Speaker 1 were trailing in just 13% of their games total. So, six games.
They were trailing for 31 minutes of game time, 13%,

Speaker 1 and they were only trailing for 55 seconds of a second half. Crazy.
That's insane. They absolutely wasted everyone.
Their total average that they beat teams by was 20 points per game.

Speaker 1 And it was the fourth largest average win margin since the field expanded to 64 teams in 1985.

Speaker 1 And Dan Hurley, what he said couldn't have been more true when he's like, once we got out of the Big East play, you know, we're a different team.

Speaker 1 They ended up on the season 17-0 against non-conference opponents, and they beat all of those non-conference opponents by 10-plus points.

Speaker 5 Except San Diego State, kind of a Big East opponent. Kind of seasonal.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 5 we're not counting that.

Speaker 1 But that run, like, I know people will talk about this tournament not living up to the hype, which I totally disagree with. Yukon was the story and their dominance and what they did.

Speaker 1 And Dan Hurley has arrived officially as a coach of the national title. He feels like he's the next era, which I love because

Speaker 1 Dan Hurley is like a throwback to the next era. He's got that scowl.
He's got that anger. He was Zen-like tonight because his team is that good.

Speaker 5 He drinks piss.

Speaker 1 He drinks piss. He drinks urine.
He is the, you know what, PFT? The NAA basketball, it's in good hands with Dan Hurley.

Speaker 5 It really is. I think that we can say maybe the Hurleys are the first family of basketball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say so. First family of part of my take right now.
LeVar Ball, the ball family.

Speaker 5 Maybe first family, but yeah, first family part of my take for sure right now.

Speaker 5 What a run. Shout out to Jake for getting an exclusive with Coach Dan Hurley right after the game.

Speaker 5 Dan Hurley definitely remembered the name of the podcast, Part of My Take. Did not require any nudging whatsoever from Jake.
He did it. But yeah, great story for him.

Speaker 5 I'm happy for him because he is, you could definitely make the case like, okay, going into this tournament saying like nobody believed in UConn.

Speaker 5 I think a lot of people believed in UConn, but a lot of people never believed that Danny Hurley would ever reach this level.

Speaker 1 And I mean, yeah, a lot of people believed in UConn. They were a four-seed, they were not the team that everyone was looking towards.

Speaker 1 Everyone thought, you know, it was going to be Alabama or Kansas back-to-back. They were

Speaker 1 like when the tourneys started, there were people who picked him, but they definitely weren't the team that everyone was looking at, being like, this team is as dominant as they come.

Speaker 1 But when you look at their season, they were that team in November and December. They had a little blip in January, and then February, March, April, they were that team again.

Speaker 1 They were a very worthy national champion that dominated, dominated, dominated tournament play.

Speaker 5 So another little fun stat here. This one's from recurring guest John Rothstein.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 Dan Hurley, the Carpenter. Oh.
No, here's the real stat. UConn is the first team in the history of the NCAA tournament to win six games by at least 13 points.
Wow. Just dominating everybody.

Speaker 1 So better than the 2018 Villanova team.

Speaker 5 Well, now it's time to ask the question: is this the greatest college basketball team of all time?

Speaker 1 I think we should probably ask that. What do you think, Max?

Speaker 5 I think they're definitely in the conversation, Max. Do you agree?

Speaker 6 I think they have to face someone better than a three-seed. You play who you play.

Speaker 1 You play who you play. Yeah, well, I mean.

Speaker 6 You play who you play.

Speaker 6 They didn't play anybody the whole tournament. They played the Alabama.
Yeah, they did.

Speaker 5 They played

Speaker 1 against Kansas. Yes, they did.
They played who they played.

Speaker 6 Yeah, well, Nova beat real teams.

Speaker 1 Okay. And then also, we should shout out Sunogo, who is outstanding.
He wins most outstanding player. I don't know why they don't call it just most valuable player, but his tournament run was insane.

Speaker 1 He just dominated. Even tonight, like there was a couple of times that he was on the bench.

Speaker 1 San Diego State sort of didn't go away, even though in retrospect, like, you know, they cut it to five with, I don't know, it was like maybe six minutes left.

Speaker 1 But every time they needed a big bucket, it was either Jordan Hawkins or Sunogo coming through with that big moment, big rebound. He was just an absolute force.

Speaker 1 And Yukon's defense, which I talked about on Sunday's show, Monday's show,

Speaker 1 was just insane. Like every time their opponents got in the paint, they just had an answer for them.
And nothing was easy. And you could see it.

Speaker 1 I know San Diego State wasn't the best offensive team, but

Speaker 1 they were just getting absolutely stonewalled at every spot. And they were guarding.

Speaker 1 at the three-point line across half court like just their defense got slept on because it was that dominant in this run.

Speaker 5 There was one play in particular, I think it was Minsa on San Diego State.

Speaker 5 One of their bigs tried to back down Snogo and tried to throw some bows at him, threw a hip and a shoulder into him, and it looked like a Volkswagen Beetle just driving into a brick wall.

Speaker 5 He just like bounced off it, and at that point, you know that's too much man you're going up against him.

Speaker 1 Do you know what it reminded me of? I got to try to find it real quick.

Speaker 1 The old member, Brian Windhorse, tweet about LeBron in

Speaker 1 2017?

Speaker 1 Every time someone has a play like that where it's like just pure strength, it's stupid. It's really like, my life is too much about sports and just like sports memory flashbacks.
I found it.

Speaker 1 So it was

Speaker 1 Winhorse in 2017. As far as LeBron recovering and not being injured, he has more equipment in his home than most colleges.
And he is so strong.

Speaker 1 That's what I think of. I just think like when Sunogo did that, I just was in my head.
I was just thinking of Brian Winhorse being like, and he is so strong.

Speaker 5 Well, Sunogo throughout this tournament is probably the only person, not LeBron James, who has actually gained weight during basketball games. Yes.
Because he was playing. It's Ramadan.

Speaker 5 He wasn't able to eat. Maybe he ate before the game.
I'm not sure what that was like, but for some games, he was not able to eat before. Halftime, you know,

Speaker 5 what do you pound at halftime if you're Sunogo and you can't eat in the first half?

Speaker 5 I think it's simple. Lemon lime Gatorade

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 5 strawberry uncrustable.

Speaker 1 Maybe a banana? Maybe banana, yeah. One banana, strawberry uncrustable, maybe like a handful of almonds.
Yeah. That feels like, get a little salt.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and he was, he was so good tonight. He's just, he's just a big, meaty dude.

Speaker 1 He's strong. And he is so strong.

Speaker 5 He's so strong. Brian Winhorse.

Speaker 1 And he is so strong.

Speaker 5 The only strategy that San Diego State had was step on their shoes. Yeah.
Give them flat tires and make it annoying to try to play defense with one sock.

Speaker 1 And it worked a little bit.

Speaker 1 And I know, like, this game wasn't the best, but I really do think that watching it you're like this is way more about ucon just being so dominant defensively uh i did they were that good they were that good tristan newton was great they were just there i mean joey calcaterra like that guy's got just springs on his legs like he was just bouncing around uh caraban and shout out andrew hurley who played in all six tournament games that's how good ukon was that andrew hurley got in all six tournament games he's classy classy that's a class

Speaker 5 he's demonstrated so much class at the end of the game by not shooting. I think Dan Hurley actually told him you can see him like raise his hand up and be like, don't take that three.

Speaker 5 Don't take that three. I know you want to.
I wanted to see him take that three.

Speaker 1 I kind of wanted to see a moment that we could just furiously debate online because

Speaker 1 I realized that after Sunday, the LSU Angel, what was her name? Angel

Speaker 5 Reese. Reese.

Speaker 1 And Caitlin Clark issue. I was like, let's just have this on every game where we can just debate this for 24 hours.
It means nothing. It's stupid, but why not?

Speaker 1 Just someone, Andrew Hurley, jack a three right in their face.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the um, the game, you're right, it wasn't the best game.

Speaker 5 The conversation maybe we should have about UConn, this is always a fun one, instead of are they the best uh men's college basketball team of all time, are they the greatest champion of all time

Speaker 5 because they're play in this tournament? I mean, it was just dominant. It was dominant.
I'd say that they are the greatest champion of all time.

Speaker 1 By the way, we have breaking news. Jake is on the floor as we speak.

Speaker 8 Today's part of my tape, guest, guests, Bobby Hurley.

Speaker 9 So we had you on today,

Speaker 9 your brother on last week, Yukon undefeated since both of you have come on. I mean, how do you feel?

Speaker 9 Like you mentioned on the show, your dad had his moment, and you wanted your brother to have his moment.

Speaker 8 Now he has his. How do you feel now?

Speaker 8 He's worked so hard for this moment. He's so deserving.
He's so talented at what he does.

Speaker 8 I saw this day coming for him. I had a chance to work with him.

Speaker 1 All right, well, Jake's questions are just very...

Speaker 7 I am am so disappointed.

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 5 not because of how normal his questions are because that's Jake baby. Yeah, that's Jake.
That's Jake.

Speaker 1 Love him or hate him. We love him.
Yes.

Speaker 5 But I'm disappointed. That's the all-time that's wild.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And he didn't say this is wild. Yeah.
His brother was on the show, then he was on the show. Then his brother never lost a game.

Speaker 1 That's fucking wild, Jake. It was only two games, but that is wild.
It's wild that that's what happened. But yeah, Jake's doing a lot of talk about.

Speaker 1 What's going through through your head right now? Jake is doing a great job of getting every he had Ray Allen. He had Dan Hurley.
But here's my promise to the people.

Speaker 1 Next year, PFT and I are going to try to get credentialed for this because it feels like everyone gets credential. So we're going to do our own interviews on the court.

Speaker 5 Tuxedos. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And let's just hope St. John's is in the final four.
Yes. Holy shit.

Speaker 5 I love Coach Petino. I love Coach Petino too.

Speaker 1 Class. Quick update, by the way, because we never shared it.
We might as well.

Speaker 1 I've said this before, but I have a stalker who texts me every now and then anytime we make a Rick Petino joke.

Speaker 1 He popped back up this past week when Rick Petino went to St. John's and was threatening PFT this time.

Speaker 1 And then he said that he was in Houston and gave us a meetup time.

Speaker 1 Didn't show. He said he was with Rick Petino.
Obviously, we're getting fucked with, but it's good. It's good to wake up and be like, yeah, my stalker's still coming after me.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and we're, listen, we're ready, Rick.

Speaker 1 We like Rick Petino. I like Rick Petino.
We want him on the show.

Speaker 5 He's a fantastic coach.

Speaker 1 We rooting for St. John's.
All right, so Jake is on the floor getting all these interviews. Great job by Jake.

Speaker 5 We should say that, like, obviously the game, not that entertaining. It was the story of fouls in the second half.
Yes. UConn got in the bonus super early.

Speaker 5 So they had a bunch of 90-foot fouls where they get fouled underneath their own basket. Yep.
And then everybody walks calmly to the end of the court. And then they make both free throws.

Speaker 5 And you can't come back from that if you're San Diego State. I was talking to Titus about it as it was happening.

Speaker 5 Like, well, the rest of this game, the last 10 minutes, are just going to be nothing nothing but free throws.

Speaker 5 And he made the point that that was probably San Diego State's strategy was to foul, like, be very physical with UConn and just hope that the refs don't call it every time. Yeah.

Speaker 5 The refs called it every time. Every time.
And it was, I don't think it was a poorly officiated game. It was overly officiated, maybe you could say.

Speaker 1 The second half felt like that.

Speaker 5 But the fouls, I think, were legit fouls for the most part.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. And, you know, so let's talk about the full tournament because I do think

Speaker 1 there's been this weird narrative that this tournament sucked. I think it's a lot of people who didn't watch the tournament who just don't like college basketball, which is fine.

Speaker 5 Respect to those people that didn't watch it and they're like, this sucks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. And there are some media members who literally just didn't watch it and they're like, there's no good storylines.

Speaker 5 That's how a lot of people are with the live tour, which is golf but louder, but nobody watches it.

Speaker 1 Nobody watches it.

Speaker 1 I think this was. So the final four, I think we got, obviously, last year, we got spoiled with the Duke UNC and Kansas and Villanova.
Although, in retrospect, only three blue bloods.

Speaker 5 We thought at the time, but we were young and foolish.

Speaker 1 Max, you want to say anything?

Speaker 1 Max is just shaking his head.

Speaker 6 No, I don't have anything to say other than fuck off.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, Max had a long day when the hair is down. Max has been drunk and sober like four times today.

Speaker 6 No, I was just drunk and then sober.

Speaker 1 It was just one time. I'm so sunburnt right now.
Oh, I thought, oh, oh,

Speaker 1 that's interesting because when I saw Max in the pool and he looked, he was drinking like a red and white, what was it?

Speaker 6 It was my advice.

Speaker 1 This is my advice. I was like, Max, you look like you're drink right now.
You're so sunburned. He goes, I'm fucking Italian.
I don't sunburn. Yeah, I didn't say that.

Speaker 1 Yes, you did.

Speaker 5 What, to be fair, what?

Speaker 6 To be fair, I mean, this was a long trip. We worked hard this year.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 today was our off day. No, I wasn't saying anything about that.
I was saying that it was.

Speaker 5 You didn't take a bath, but you did a good job.

Speaker 1 You told me that you don't get sunburned, and now you're saying, I'm so fucking sunburned.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. I mean, everyone needs a base sunburn for the summer.

Speaker 1 It's got a little earliest out on the golf course today.

Speaker 5 Max and Memes were just looking at each other, and they were both a little drunk from the day. And Memes was like, Am I really red? Yeah.
And Memes was really red.

Speaker 5 And Max looked at him, and Max was like super bright red. He was like, No, dude, you're not that red.

Speaker 1 And Memes was like, Yeah, you're not that red either. No, you guys deserve it.
We're both just normal, normal guys. Yeah, and we are.
People are probably like, What the hell are they talking about?

Speaker 1 We are recording right after the game, so it's Monday night because we have a full travel day.

Speaker 1 We're in Louisiana, so we have to drive two hours and then fly back to New York.

Speaker 1 So if anything crazy happens on Tuesday in the sports world, we will update it Tuesday night. Otherwise, you're just listening to the raw dog right after the game reactions.
Brain dump.

Speaker 1 So the tournament. I think we had it all.
I know that there wasn't the

Speaker 1 one seeds in the Final Four, all that, but we had an all-time upset with Fairleigh Dickinson. Princeton just gets like completely erased from history because of Fairleigh Dickinson.

Speaker 1 They went to the Sweet 16 as a 15 seed. You had an all-time tournament personal run by Marquise Noel, which was like, if you didn't watch the tournament, Marquise Noel dominated the second weekend.

Speaker 1 His performances at Madison Square Garden were out of this world, like appointment television.

Speaker 5 You had 5'8 confirmed, by the way. 5'8 ⁇ .
We got to interview him on Barstool Live. Him and I exact same size.
5'8.

Speaker 1 You had, I mean, Furman winning against Virginia. There was a bunch of upsets, whatever.
And then you had

Speaker 1 Final Four, two

Speaker 1 insane runs of schools that had never been to the Final Four in Miami, FDU, or sorry, FAU and San Diego State.

Speaker 1 And then you had UConn, the dominant team that steamrolled the entire tournament to kind of put a cherry on top with some incredible players, an incredible coach. I don't know.

Speaker 1 This tournament delivered. It always delivers.
It's the fucking March Madison. I love this tournament so much.

Speaker 5 We had the first buzzer beater coming from behind in the Final Four to win a game in San Diego State FAU. There was a lot of stuff.
I mean, there were tons of upsets. People say that they like upsets.

Speaker 5 They like underdogs. Well, guess what? Go out back and smoke an entire pack of underdogs because this delivered in spades.
It didn't have the brand names, which some people don't like.

Speaker 5 You always hear people say, oh, I like the underdogs. I like when they win in the early opening rounds.
But then after that, you want the big name schools. That's fun sometimes.

Speaker 5 But this was, it was very cool to see all these these schools that never thought that they'd have a chance to win a single game advance throughout the tournament and a lot of them make it very very far to like unprecedented levels so i liked it i i i enjoyed the tournament and at the end of the day you got the champion that was most deserving like uconn

Speaker 1 17 and oh a non-conference 10 plus points every single opponent they were phenomenal like that's the thing is i i understand that the thought process of the underdogs getting really you know deep into the tournament ruins it later But that's also part of like, you don't want to have a weird outcome where it feels like the best team, the best team won.

Speaker 1 Yukon was the best team this year. They deserve the title.

Speaker 1 I'm giving this tournament maybe it wasn't an A plus, but I actually don't think any tournament could be less than an A, so I'm giving it an A.

Speaker 5 I'm giving it five balls.

Speaker 1 Okay, there we go. So like, again, it's just some people, and it's fine.

Speaker 1 Some people like to talk about NBA all year, or they want to talk about, I don't know what, what other sports are going or ML MLB just started yeah sure March is for the NCAA tournament and it always delivers yeah well I mean you just said March my only gripe is that March should have 35 days the NCAA tournament should end in March it should it's tough because I can consider I consider this an all-time March moment for UConn although I like that it finishes it finished in April because I can be like well

Speaker 1 March was a pretty bad gambling month, but April fucking rocks. We're all

Speaker 1 up to it. We're on a live stream.

Speaker 5 I don't think that there's ever been a live stream in the history of this company where everybody won their

Speaker 5 felt. It feels good to win one.

Speaker 1 And I know, I know those sickos and perverts got a five-point game with six minutes left. They're like, this is going to be an all-time loss for UConn, and Big Cat's going to cry on a stream.

Speaker 1 And I would have cried. I would have cried, but you didn't get it.
Not this time. Not this time.
You know why? Because I didn't have that loser max attached to me.

Speaker 1 And that's how you take one across the finish line. So I do have my hot seat is max i'll just jump ahead well yeah let me do it the ad and we'll get into hot seat going through

Speaker 1 uh all right uh

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Speaker 1 PFT hot seat culture.

Speaker 5 My hot seat is Max.

Speaker 5 Oh, Max is on the hot seat, not just for all the reasons that we've said above, where how Villanova has been removed from the Blue Bloods and UConn is in, but also because Max bet against UConn every single game of this tournament.

Speaker 1 You did?

Speaker 5 Yeah, he, yes, he bet San Diego State money line.

Speaker 5 What? And San Diego State against the spread.

Speaker 1 No, Max. Yes.

Speaker 1 Dan Hurley, best coach in the Big East.

Speaker 5 Max, you just.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not going to argue who Kyle Neptune is.

Speaker 1 You just got no hit. You got no hits.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 6 I had no hits on UConn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got no hit. That's a no-hitter.
That's a no-hitter.

Speaker 1 I guess.

Speaker 1 Dude, that's at any point where you like UConn might actually be good?

Speaker 6 No, I knew the entire time that UConn was good, but

Speaker 6 it was against my.

Speaker 1 But see, shouldn't you have been like, hey, they're really good? Might as well win money?

Speaker 6 The whole Moral Hedge thing is a bunch of bullshit.

Speaker 1 It's not an issue. No, but when they're that good.

Speaker 6 I know.

Speaker 6 Honestly, I told you this. I told you this earlier that

Speaker 6 if I didn't pick UCLA, I would have picked UConn because

Speaker 6 everyone was sending me those stats of like only these five teams can make it, and UConn had the best odds, but I couldn't get myself to pull for UConn.

Speaker 1 So you could have won.

Speaker 5 That was the number one.

Speaker 1 You could have won like 20 grand tonight.

Speaker 5 I respect that, though.

Speaker 5 Max is a real fit. Max is a good sports town.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good job, Max.

Speaker 5 Also, another good sports town.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 5 Cool Throne stores, Connecticut. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Student athletes

Speaker 5 win a national championship game, and then the entire town just starts picking up light poles and smashing in doorways.

Speaker 7 And flipping cars, yeah.

Speaker 5 Flipping cars. What a great way to celebrate a victory.

Speaker 1 Got to be the coolest thing to win a title when you're a student at a school. In college, yeah.
Yeah,

Speaker 6 I can attest.

Speaker 5 I can attest that too.

Speaker 1 Non-commuters.

Speaker 6 I still was on campus for the game. I didn't have any friends on campus, but I was there.

Speaker 5 JMU Division won double-A national championships 2004. There you go.
You can forget.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Wisconsin. They won 2006, Frozen 4.

Speaker 1 Huge. That's so sick for you.

Speaker 5 My cool throne is Dogecoin. Oh, yeah.
Dogecoin spiked today

Speaker 5 because Elon put the Doge dog on the home screen of Twitter whenever you loaded it up. Last night,

Speaker 5 I responsibly ran out of money in my Barcelon Sportsbook account, and I had been holding Doge.

Speaker 5 Hoddling?

Speaker 1 Yeah, hodling.

Speaker 5 I've been hoddling.

Speaker 5 I had diamond hands. I was waiting to go to the moon patiently, and

Speaker 7 I've had it for like three years.

Speaker 5 It increased increased in value it dipped way back down and then I was just hodling it and I liquidated my Doge account last night all your assets all my assets in Doge I liquidated so that I could put money into my account to bet on the tournament and then

Speaker 1 seven hours later yeah Elon changes the fucking home screen of Twitter to Doge the Doge dog and then the stock shoots up a hundred percent that's fucking horseshit you got you got your Dogecoin got doink bet.

Speaker 5 I did. It was a doink.
It was a doink all over again.

Speaker 1 I got double doink. I couldn't believe it when I went on Twitter this morning.
I was like, what is this? And then I realized what it was. And then I saw all the people being like, Doge is ripping.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, no, PFT sold off. It was on the moon.

Speaker 5 Although, Spend Zone, I made more money betting on this game than I would have.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 5 I more than doubled my money. You need that.
Because I hit everything tonight.

Speaker 5 So in your face, Elon, I'm not paying for that blue check. Yeah.
Unless... Well.

Speaker 1 We might. Maybe.
Well,

Speaker 1 now that Jake's not in the room, we might.

Speaker 5 If you can hide my likes on certain tweets, I'll pay for that.

Speaker 1 You need a horny tab? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Exactly. I'll do it then.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hank needs a horny. Remember Hank?

Speaker 1 Nah. Nah.

Speaker 1 No. We did taped lottery ball, which we shouldn't have because

Speaker 1 he's not on this episode. He's on vacation.

Speaker 5 We have certain conversations offline on this podcast that stay offline.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right, exactly. But we did tape the lottery ball, so that will still happen with Hank at the end.
Okay, my hot seat. I have two.
Number one, Joe Biden. So Joe Biden.

Speaker 7 You say Jill or Joe? Jill.

Speaker 1 Jill Biden. Dr.
Jill. Dr.
Joe Biden invited LSU and Iowa to the White House. That's fucking bullshit.
You can't do that.

Speaker 5 That's fucked up.

Speaker 1 You cannot do that. That's fucked up.
Iowa lost.

Speaker 5 They lost. Has this happened?

Speaker 1 You know what that is? Classless move.

Speaker 5 It's playing both sides. It's classless move.

Speaker 1 It is classless. It's classless move.
You can't do that.

Speaker 1 If I were LSU, I'd be like, fuck you. I'm not coming now.
No, then, because then actually Iowa would probably show up. But either way, learn how fucking sports work.

Speaker 1 I feel like this entire LSU, Iowa game just had to, it like shook everyone where everyone forgot how sports work for a minute, where they're talking about classy, classless, you can't shit talk.

Speaker 1 Yes, you can.

Speaker 1 You shit talk, you run up the score, you point to your finger when you win a ring, you do the John Cena, and then you get invited to the White House, and the team they lost doesn't get invited to the White House.

Speaker 1 That's how sports work.

Speaker 5 I agree with that. A million percent.

Speaker 5 It doesn't happen in other sports. No.
Nor should it happen in other sports. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bullshit. You know what it is? Jill, Dr.
Joe Biden, you're not. uh treating them as equals as men you're because i don't see them i don't i don't think san diego states get an invite invite.

Speaker 5 You're almost just protecting them.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Bullshit.
Bullshit. I don't know what I'm going to do.
I'm going to have to explain this all to my daughter. It's going to be terrible.

Speaker 5 Would you ever go to the White House after losing something?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 5 I think Max would just live in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 1 if that were the case.

Speaker 1 All right. My other hot seat.

Speaker 1 My other hot seat is anyone who owns Dalmatians because Vince McMahon looks like he's about to steal 100 Dalmatians. He unveiled his new look today.
He made, I think he made like $5 billion.

Speaker 1 So WWE got sold to

Speaker 1 Endeavour, which Ari Emmanuel, they already own UFC.

Speaker 1 Vince McMahon sold 51%. He's still going to be part of the WWE, still going to

Speaker 1 make moves. He's still going to be the boss.
But he made, I think it was like somewhere like $4 or $5 billion personally.

Speaker 5 The company was rumored to sell for $9 billion. Right.

Speaker 1 So he made so much money today. He bought the WWE from his father for a million dollars in like 1982.
So pretty good return on investment, but he went and did the rounds on all the shows.

Speaker 1 And he has this pencil-thin mustache above his lip that makes him look like Vince McMahon already is the evil boss. He just took it to a different level.

Speaker 5 I mean, the man is a showman, and if you're going to be accused of being a pervert left and right, and all these people come out and say all these weird things about you and how you're a creepy old dude, of course, vince mcmahon is going to lean into that costume and grow a tiny little mustache yes that's like that's day one playbook stuff for him in wwe so he's he's fucking rich now huh uh very very rich or what is vince mcmahon i i don't think money really matters to vince he's just going to use that money to just make more wrestling yeah it's all it's all going back he's probably they're keeping him around right yeah no he's he's he's going to be i think his official title let me find this um i was reading this article a minute ago i think think his official title is still like director of WWE or something.

Speaker 1 Oh, executive chairman.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 he's going to be, still be the executive chairman.

Speaker 5 You know that old saying, like, if you have money, you just become more of what you were before. Like, if you gave me $9 billion, I would just buy a shitload of soup.

Speaker 5 If you give a creepy old man $9 billion, he's going to become a super creepy old man with a child molester mustache.

Speaker 1 Yes, the pencil thin mustache. It was quite a look.
Quite a look.

Speaker 1 Also, shout out to Shane O'Mack. uh i think he tore his acl yeah well he battled through it all time

Speaker 1 yeah i don't know where wherever joey abs or uh yeah joey abs and pete gas are right now i wish they had come out and saved him but yeah he was in wrestlemania he he he was doing his thing and uh Tore his ACL, tried to stand up, flop back down.

Speaker 1 Snoop Dogg had to save him. But yeah, that was, you know, win some lose some.

Speaker 5 That's such a classic WWE recap. Snoop Dogg came out.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, of course.

Speaker 5 Of course he did.

Speaker 1 It's got to kind of suck because

Speaker 1 Shado Mac probably made a shitload of money today, too, but

Speaker 1 he's got crutches.

Speaker 5 I would kind of love that though.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't want to win money like that.

Speaker 5 That's like the ultimate bonus. It's like, not only are we giving you a couple hundred million dollars, but also doctor's orders, you're not allowed to exercise

Speaker 1 six months. I always feel so bad.
It's like when you win like a title and a guy gets injured in the game,

Speaker 1 I always feel so bad that they can't party like fully. So they got like a boot on or they got like their arm in a sling.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but if somebody told me, congratulations, $100 million,

Speaker 5 don't try to work out. And also, here's a couple Vicodin.
Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 But like, Odell Beckham, like, that had to suck. You know, he wanted to go crazy when the Rams won.

Speaker 5 Oh, I'm sure that that didn't completely stop Odell Beckham.

Speaker 1 He wants $15 million.

Speaker 5 And real money? Sort of like he handed out

Speaker 5 to LSU.

Speaker 1 He wants $15 million. That's the word on the street.
So do I. My cool throne is

Speaker 1 the Detroit Tigers. They are the last team to get their first win of the MLB season.
So they beat the Astros tonight. And congratulations to the Detroit Tigers.

Speaker 1 They are the last team to get their first win. Every other team has a win.
So congrats to the Tigers.

Speaker 5 Have your bias.

Speaker 1 This is bullshit. What? What?

Speaker 6 The Phillies do not have a win yet.

Speaker 1 What? You got no win.

Speaker 1 You got no win? No, dude.

Speaker 6 I don't know how this ended up being a podcast about me.

Speaker 1 Dude, are you serious? I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 You want to cut this part?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can do it the fuck I want.

Speaker 1 Wait, the Phillies don't have any wins?

Speaker 6 It's four games into the season.

Speaker 1 Who cares? But every other team has a win. Who cares?

Speaker 5 Yeah, but you got Hoskins coming back.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You already did this.
You already did this bit once.

Speaker 1 I was watching. The Tigers were, they had an extra inning game against the Astros.
And since we're in Louisiana, the Astros are technically the home team.

Speaker 1 So I was watching out of the corner of my eye during the national title, being like, I hope the Tigers win so I could do exactly this on the podcast.

Speaker 5 I'd like to give another shout out just specifically to Louisiana. Yeah.
Best place in the world.

Speaker 6 The best. I have one more thing to say.
Fuck ESPN.

Speaker 6 The Phillies played on Sunday Night Baseball yesterday, and for whatever reason, they made the most detailed graphic of all time, just being like, hey, by the way, did you know that Philly has just come in second in every single thing this year?

Speaker 6 And I was like, watch Sunday Night Baseball. And I was like, watch Sunday Night Baseball tonight.

Speaker 6 What the fuck does the union losing the MLS have to do with Sunday Night Baseball, the Phillies Rangers?

Speaker 1 A lot.

Speaker 6 It was nothing. A lot.

Speaker 6 It was just so people could just fucking tweet at me, the graphic, and be like, hey, hey, Max, did you see this? Did you see this? Philly loses every championship? I know.

Speaker 7 I know they lose.

Speaker 5 Okay, Sixers will definitely win.

Speaker 1 Max, you should actually be thinking that Hank exists because Hank's not here, so you're getting all of our jokes. I love that.
I love that for for Hank.

Speaker 1 So, wait, the Phillies really don't have a win?

Speaker 6 No, the Phillies do not have a win.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's a good one. But

Speaker 1 wasn't opening day like, it feels like 10 years ago because we've been on the road for a while. I feel like we were in Austin 50 years.
Yeah, I mean, it's all of March.

Speaker 1 I just miss my kids. I just want to go home.
I miss my bed. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that too. Yeah.
I miss my dog.

Speaker 5 Coming home to your bed is so nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're going to get home. We're going to do it.
Bring the boys home. Bring the boys home.
Let's do it. Sorry that the Phillies don't have one.
I didn't know that before I said that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know you're really upset about it. All right, let's guess what? We have Masters Talk.
It is

Speaker 1 what a great turnaround. The sports gods really do it correctly with the tournament like the most intense month in the sports calendar.

Speaker 1 And then they're just like, here's a really nice, easy thing to watch for the entire weekend. You can sit on your couch.
I'm a little worried about the weather, by the way.

Speaker 1 Nothing bums me out more than Masters being bad weather.

Speaker 5 Well, so if it rains early in the week, that's good, right? No, but it's if it rains early in the week, that means that the course is ready to get fucked.

Speaker 1 There's a chance we might have a Monday Masters finish, which would kind of rule.

Speaker 5 You remember when the U.S. Open had that Monday finish a while back? Yeah, Rocco Mediate.
Rocco Mediate, Tiger Woods, 18-hole playoff, an extra round of just Tiger Woods. Nobody got any work done.

Speaker 5 By the way, all the freaks out there online, all the economy watchers that keep reminding people how much money is stolen via time theft of people at work not paying attention to work and watching sports on TV, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 1 Also, yeah, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 5 It's labor month. We get a month to steal all that time back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, don't you realize that America does it the right way? We're not like one of these fancy European countries that takes all the summer off. We work every single day, 365 days a year.

Speaker 1 morning, noon, and night. And then when we go to work, we take no vacations.
And when we go to work, we just don't work. Yeah.
It's a perfect system.

Speaker 1 Unless you're Hank Lockwood. Yeah.
But that is. Hank works.

Speaker 7 It's very European.

Speaker 1 Listen, this is America, baby. Vacations are frowned upon.
You know when I take my vacation? Every fucking day when I go to work and I fuck off. That's what you do.

Speaker 1 Someone listening to this right now is nodding their head. They're like, I'm at work right now.
Maybe they're watching on the YouTube. They're like, guess what I'm doing? Not working.

Speaker 5 You mastered the art of getting paid to not work. Right.

Speaker 1 Exactly. I think I said it a couple weeks ago where I was like, the worst thing you could have your boss ever figure out is that you could do all of your work in like four hours.

Speaker 1 Because you could.

Speaker 5 But never tell your boss that.

Speaker 1 And also don't do that. Just do little bits and pieces of work.
Like a squirrel hiding nuts before the summer winter.

Speaker 5 If there's somebody that does six hours of work while at work,

Speaker 5 you're working way too hard.

Speaker 1 Chill out. Chill out.

Speaker 5 You're making all of us look overachiever.

Speaker 1 All right, master's weather real quick before we get to our preview. 74% chance of rain on Friday, 91% chance of rain on Saturday, 74% chance of rain on Sunday.

Speaker 5 Play the Masters in a Dome.

Speaker 1 This is bad. This is really bad.
I don't.

Speaker 1 It just bums me out.

Speaker 5 The birds aren't going to be out. How is this going to affect the Azaleas? That's what I want to know.

Speaker 1 We need to, yeah, we need to just stop weather for a week. All right, so we do have Masters Preview.

Speaker 1 Max Homa, pump up with him, and then we have Shane Bacon to break down the whole course and everything and give you some maybe some long shots.

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Speaker 1 All right, here he is. Our good friend, Max Homa.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 it is Masters Week, and we thought we'd have on one of our favorite guests, Max Homa, before Augusta.

Speaker 1 This is not an interview. This is a just guys pumping each other up session.
We're just getting ready for Augusta. It's the biggest tournament of our lives.

Speaker 1 And I say that meaning all three of us here. Hank's not in the room.
He doesn't like you. And neither is Max.

Speaker 1 He's probably getting a, I think he's at a doctor's appointment. That probably won't go well for him.

Speaker 1 So, how are we feeling mentally, Max?

Speaker 11 Good. Do you think Max or Bat Girl's blood pressure is going to come back just on the high side? Because I would assume it's going to be an alarming digit.

Speaker 1 I would say that's probably a good bet.

Speaker 5 Is there any professional golfer that is expected to win who's from the Philadelphia area? Because we need to get matched on a Philly guy.

Speaker 11 Man, I can't think of... I know Harry Higgs, but I don't think he's in yet.

Speaker 11 I can't think anybody, so hopefully Max's heartbreak will slow down.

Speaker 11 That was a funny, that was a funny 20. I only saw the clip or I only saw the meme where it just said Max is going to suck.
Yeah. And I was like, damn, that was mean.

Speaker 11 And then I listened to the first like 20, 30 minutes. I'm like, oh, this guy's.

Speaker 11 This guy's in it right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was rock bottom.

Speaker 5 He said it out of rage at himself, really, like at himself loathing. He was really saying when he it was his way of telling himself that he sucked, but he was just projecting it onto you.
Yes.

Speaker 11 I was positive he said, I fucking did it. I did it.
Let me see LA kid hit the three. I'm still pretty sure that's what he said.

Speaker 1 I am too.

Speaker 1 He's just a ball of just sad energy that screams at everything. So, all right.
We are taping this a week before, Augusta. What are you going to say, Jake?

Speaker 4 Rocco Immediate, who's known for being in second to Tigers from Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. So, Rocco Rocco is like the most famous second place match ever.
Let's go, Rocco. Yeah, Rocco.

Speaker 1 You can see him saying that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's definitely Max. All right, so

Speaker 1 what, like, where's the mental app? Because, you know, we've obviously had you on before, the Masters before,

Speaker 1 the famous time when I was like, can you win this? And you were like, I think, I think you can win this now. Like, I am confident.
I feel good. Do you feel the same way?

Speaker 1 Or are we all on the same wavelength?

Speaker 11 Yeah, we are on the same wavelength. I'd say obviously this is the best standing I've had going into any major, let alone just Augusta.

Speaker 11 So I think, you know, as much as sports are just about who's the best at what they do.

Speaker 11 Golf, obviously, you have to peek at the right time and you have to, you know, your game has to show up at the right time.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 11 I just say that going into it, that just seems like the only thing. I mean, I like what I've I've been doing.
I like where my game feels.

Speaker 11 I like where my head's at, but handling the pressure and doing all that will be different. Having expectation will be a bit different.
But I mean, I really do like my chances.

Speaker 11 I like the golf course. I haven't had much success on it yet, but I just feel like I go in there and put a bunch of

Speaker 11 excessive pressure on myself just to play well.

Speaker 11 I would be lying if I didn't say that last year I was really prominently thinking about making the cut for the first time there.

Speaker 11 So this year the goals are set a lot higher, but everything's kind of lining up well. And so I do feel good.

Speaker 11 I feel the best I probably could feel going into a going into a major. So I got that going for me.

Speaker 11 I know I have Bat Girls Cold Streak running, but at some point that has to turn around even for even for that psycho.

Speaker 5 No, it's good because he's rooting against you now.

Speaker 1 So he is going to have money on you.

Speaker 5 He's the one person that you want cheering against you the hardest. True.

Speaker 1 Because he can't win anything.

Speaker 5 So you've made a very good enemy to have.

Speaker 5 You're dialed right now. Is it fair to say you're dialed? I've heard people say that.
I've been playing a lot of PGA Tour 2K video games.

Speaker 1 And they say,

Speaker 5 oh, yeah, yeah. We actually need to talk about Hank.
So the Hank clip of him trying to get out of the bunker.

Speaker 5 He's at Augusta. He's trying to get out of the bunker.
He's chipping downhill. He's shooting like, I don't even know what you call like a 12-bogey on a hole.
You told me that.

Speaker 1 We call that a Hank.

Speaker 5 We call it a Hank on tour.

Speaker 5 You told me that the fellas were laughing at at it. Were you showing it to other golfers, and everybody was just having a good laugh at Hank?

Speaker 11 We were on the range in Austin. It was for the video.
It wasn't the bunker one, which I saw yesterday.

Speaker 11 It was the one where he hits, he puts it off the green on nine, and then you say bite, and we all lost it.

Speaker 11 So I saw it in the morning, and then I was showing Joe and I was showing my buddy Edward and some of the other players.

Speaker 11 And I mean, as funny as the video is, you guys laughing.

Speaker 11 Like, I don't, PFT, like, I know you, I know you're, you know, part character, uh, obviously, unless your name really is PFT.

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 11 but you, so you guys laugh a lot. We listen to you guys laugh a lot on this show, but every once in a while, we'll get like a true, genuine laugh.

Speaker 11 Like when Max was going through it last week, you had the funniest laugh ever because neither of you guys could stop fucking giggling. And we were all laughing at that by the end of it.

Speaker 11 So then I see Hank's bunker video yesterday. I saw that one last night.
And I've just never seen. I mean, I just don't understand.
I just don't get it. Like, I don't get

Speaker 11 how it's that hard. Maybe I need to try playing it, but man, that shit is fucking hilarious.

Speaker 5 The game's not that hard.

Speaker 1 You're right. Frustrated Hank.
Frustrated Hank is a top character because he gets so angry and quiet. Yeah.
Yeah. He just looks good.
He just, because I can see it in my face. Like, I can see my head.

Speaker 1 He just has his tongue out. He's focusing so hard.
He puts his, he does his face where he has his tongue like halfway out. And he's just like,

Speaker 1 He talks the most shit of anybody.

Speaker 5 And the second something goes sideways for him, he just shuts up and he pretends that his mic doesn't work, then he's accidentally muted.

Speaker 1 And then he'll come back to holes.

Speaker 5 He's so bad at that game.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 11 Usually you've got to play video games to kind of get away from all the frustration.

Speaker 11 But he plays golf and then goes straight to struggle at Augusta Nashta.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. All right.
So speaking of the course, we're big course guys. What's the one or two holes that we should be looking out for this year that you're like, you have circled? Like, hey,

Speaker 1 I got to have a good strategy here. So we know what to watch when we're watching all weekend.

Speaker 11 Well, I'll lead with, I know you guys are big fans of the course winning. And I saw a lot of rain next week.
So you guys might have a tough week there. I think it'll be soft.

Speaker 11 So might be a lot of birdies.

Speaker 11 Big hole,

Speaker 11 I think 13 always plays. They changed it a little bit this year, but that one always seems to be really important.
13 and 15 on the back nine. And then on the front,

Speaker 11 four and five are the two hardest holes on the front nine. So those two, I think when you see people play those two well, you'll see somebody who's probably going to have a good chance.

Speaker 11 Usually you see a lot of birdies on the back nine and the front nine, if you shoot anywhere between even and two, three under, that usually sets you up for a great day.

Speaker 11 But I mean, the whole golf course is pretty damn awesome. PFT, you know, you play it all the time.
I do. It's a pretty great golf course.

Speaker 5 So so uh there's a lot of holes i could say but those those seem to stick out well i usually only play the first nine holes because hank quits after nine that's a fact so i don't know what the i don't know what the second nine is like did you just call out the course it sounded like you just called out the course

Speaker 5 i mean i'm coming for birdies i'm coming for blood so someone's got to puff their chest out to it at some point yeah you just said that there's going to be some low scores out there i like it i think there might be how when are we going to know what the course is going to be like if it's going to show its teeth or not is it during the like, for you specifically, during the par 3 competition?

Speaker 11 Are you going to... That's usually a telling sign, yeah, because

Speaker 11 I'm going for it this year.

Speaker 11 You see two three holes in one, you know, you know, the course is getting a little nervous.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Okay, so what's our plan? You don't know your pairings yet.

Speaker 1 What's our plan if they do pair you with Tiger?

Speaker 1 Are we going to have a better plan than the British Open? Will you melt it into a huddle? We got to stay mentally strong.

Speaker 11 So if i play with tiger um i think i think we can we can use the open uh

Speaker 11 i forget what you call it a pool of of tears yeah you're melting you were melting you're like oh this guy i love him so much oh i don't even know how to shoot my own golf shots yeah shooting shooting them wrong um they uh yeah i think it'll go a lot better uh and that would be wild to play with them in backsmack major so i doubt that would happen uh but i think i'll be you know i got it out of my system i got the the tears out of my system.

Speaker 11 The Kleenex has been removed from the bag. Uh, I think I'm pretty, I'm pretty ready for that again.

Speaker 1 Okay, and now who would you like to be paired with? Like, who if we they get paired, if you get paired with them, everyone's gonna be like, all right, Max, this is you play well with this person.

Speaker 11 Oh, who I play well with? Um, I think I'd like to play with Justin Thomas. I think that'd be a good one.
Okay.

Speaker 11 I do think, like, the live thing is going to be funny because, like, I feel like anybody who's playing with, you know, Phil or Cameron Smith or DJ or Brooks, it's just going to be like none of us really have any bad blood, but they've like made the

Speaker 11 fans or whatever have made it out to be like we, it's going to be so awkward.

Speaker 11 So I think that would be quite funny just to see the reaction. I'm sure I'll get a lot of texts like, oh, man, you know, do you think you guys are going to talk today?

Speaker 11 Like, yeah, you know, it's really not as big of a deal. So I think that would be fun.
But yeah, I think playing with Justin Thomas, I usually play quite well with him.

Speaker 11 And so I think that would be a good sign that

Speaker 11 the powers that be at Augusta are looking out for me. So something like that.

Speaker 5 Max, just a pointer. They're called patrons at Augusta.
Not patrons.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I mean

Speaker 11 fans like in, you know, that'll be on the internet. Patrons at the golf course who are not allowed their phones probably won't be tweeting me or else by penalty of death.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 Let's also just say right now, for any AWLs that are lucky enough to to get to Augusta, which I would say this is probably the one tournament you won't get called a pervert a lot because I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 1 Our fan bases probably can't afford it.

Speaker 1 We've never been to Augusta. We just sit on the outside while all the rich people get to go to Augusta.

Speaker 1 But let's just say if there are any AWLs that are there, maybe just a positive like, hey, Max, you're doing great. Just you're doing great.
That would be. Yeah.
Keep going. That'd be great.

Speaker 11 So I've been wrestling with this. I've been talking to Lacey about this.

Speaker 11 She's like, man, I really hate that they call you pervert. And I said, yeah, me too.

Speaker 11 But I was like, you can't say, like, stop calling me that because you learned in second grade that you can't do that. So, so I will say this.
I'm really excited for a week of peace

Speaker 11 because that has become, I don't know how this works as I'm only a one-time Takey Award winner.

Speaker 11 But I'm hoping that whoever wins it this year will take that crown and everyone will forget.

Speaker 11 I think that would be quite nice. But I would say that to any AWS that are there at Augusta National,

Speaker 11 I would recommend not calling me a pervert there because I don't think it's going to be received super well.

Speaker 1 Correct. Yeah, correct.

Speaker 11 I do. There was a guy who got kicked out, I heard, at the Players Championship because security said, you got to stop saying that.
And I guess he said it again.

Speaker 11 And it was kind of, it was kind of internet in real life because, you know, I'm sure he was complaining like, it's a joke from a podcast.

Speaker 5 and the lady's like i don't care right right at the end of the day i don't listen to that so i don't know what you're talking about you're still calling him a pervert yeah yes people seem to miss that like you'll hear a couple snickers when someone says it and then a lot of people be like hey man like chill and like thank you like this is real life yes yeah no i mean i'm on i'm on your side on that one like yeah we can't we can't say like do not call him a pervert but you will be you will be kicked out of augusta if you say that to him yeah and we want you there cheering on Max for the long weekend and well into Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 1 We should start,

Speaker 1 instead of calling Max a perfect, just say he's Italian. Everyone will know what you're saying.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Say Forza.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah.
Yeah. Maybe after you hit a good tea shop, you're like, that's a spicy meatball.

Speaker 11 See, this shit, that's fucking funny.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. So we can work with that.
We can work with that.

Speaker 1 All right. So

Speaker 1 I really hope that they, I forgot the whole live angle. Like, I hope they

Speaker 1 put like

Speaker 1 Phil with Rory or Phil with Tiger would be so great. Oh, my God.

Speaker 11 Sergio Rory and Tiger Phil are two that I just think would be.

Speaker 11 That would be a spicy meatball right there.

Speaker 11 That would be a chef's kiss Italian hand.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 That would be really good. Yes.

Speaker 5 Max, I don't know if I need to call you out on it, but the internet at large called you out.

Speaker 5 Are you a slow player now?

Speaker 11 Oh, I'm glad this is up.

Speaker 11 No, that video is 52 seconds. We get 45 seconds to hit a shot.
So that was too slow.

Speaker 11 I understand it looks way shittier than when you walk around. But I went, I wanted to check because I've always thought of myself as

Speaker 11 quite a fast player.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 so I went and like, look, we can look up how like our average.

Speaker 11 uh time or whatever so i looked it up and i am not slow so that made me feel good but it was also that was like a perfect understanding of the internet one clip of one putt uh and uh that's just the way the world works now yeah you know what it was i'll wear it but i at least i i found out that i am not in this one clip that that's going around uh it's max putting it's you're reading a putt from both sides of it and the cinematography on the clip is just incredible.

Speaker 11 It was very good.

Speaker 5 It makes it seem way longer than it is because it cuts to you, it cuts away back to you, and you're in like a different position the second time they come back.

Speaker 5 And then there's a guy waiting on a bridge for you to finish putting. and then the camera cuts back to you, and you're still reading the putt.

Speaker 5 So, like, yes, as the stopwatch goes, it wasn't exceptionally slow, but I heard rumors out there that you were apologizing for your pace of play, and I wanted to see where we were at with that.

Speaker 11 I under as a fan of golf, I understand that it looks like shit, so I would like it to be uh faster. I didn't really put two and two together that the clip was that short.

Speaker 11 So, after I apologize, I realized it wasn't that bad, but I will say this, shout out to the producer and the cameraman. They must have been loving that.

Speaker 11 Like, back back to the guy he's playing who's about to jump in the lake all right back to max standing a different direction all right back to that guy looks like he's crying okay back he's he's mad at max see if he's got a knife like that guy was he he he went from like a sports uh you know producer to like a daytime emmy producer so quickly and i was pretty impressed with how how that all laid out i was i was uh i was a fan of that video yeah i i don't want you to change anything about your game right now you're in the zone max yeah i was

Speaker 5 we're we're fully gassing you up we we are 100 homosexuals going into the masters don't watch any youtube videos about your swing i did that and it me up

Speaker 11 yeah no i've learned from your mistakes um

Speaker 11 i i wonder i was listening to uh some of you guys had on last sometime last week uh about your your theory uh which is accurate to golf that uh if you don't like your score you just make the score you want it to be and write that down yeah um so i'm wondering if august uh yeah wonder no not it's not a theory it's a a fact.

Speaker 11 I wonder if Augusta is removing the erasers, essentially, to forbid this kind of activity because that would be a pretty easy way to win the Masters.

Speaker 11 I feel like I was doing some studying, and I feel like that was an. I mean, I've been working on chipping and hitting, but I have not really thought about pencil whipping too much.

Speaker 11 And that seemed like not a bad idea.

Speaker 1 This is the shit that I wish

Speaker 1 golfers, I know that there's rules and they don't want to be, you know, getting in trouble, but like if you maybe get an injury on the course and you're going to withdraw anyway, just put like a 62 and have them ding you and then just walk off.

Speaker 11 There is a story.

Speaker 11 This girl got in trouble in college, but she, so back in college, you know, now we have a guy who walks with us and puts in our score each hold, like update, you know, obviously for fans,

Speaker 11 patrons, if you will, and like the, it's big on like gambling. Obviously in college, it's a lot different, just your parents.

Speaker 11 uh watching the scores online but every three holes you tell there's a person a volunteer standing by the green and you say, Hey, I went like four, three, four.

Speaker 11 And they type that in or whatever. So she decided she was going to fuck with everybody at regionals, which is a big event.
And so she told the person, I just went two, three, two.

Speaker 11 I went one, three, three. So she's like nine under through nine, and everyone's wigging out.

Speaker 11 And she realizes halfway through this might be a problem because, you know, the other coaches are also looking at these scores to see what place their team is and all that stuff.

Speaker 11 So she started going like eight, five, five, five, seven, four, like trying to even it back out.

Speaker 11 And I think she might have got like suspended because I completely fucked with like the nature of the golf tournament.

Speaker 11 So I've always thought about maybe if my walking score was ever just in a, in a silly, goofy mood, if they were like, you know what, fuck it. Hole and won on number eight, the par five.

Speaker 11 That was the greatest shot in the history of the world. Max Holma is now leading the masters.

Speaker 1 Yeah, wait, wait. So this guy, that's a great story.

Speaker 1 That woman has a great sense of humor. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 so so the person walking with you doing the score do you ever catch them doing like the classic like standing at the green being like all right one and then two

Speaker 1 and then like you know like every guy's had that moment where like wait did i hit another one there like you ever see him like trying to actually do it in his head So I think what they do is they have a piece of paper or something like that and they write down like a tally by, because they have to do three people someday.

Speaker 11 So that would be tricky, right? And they do a tally. And I've always wanted to see, you know, like Kevin Na one time made a 16 on a hole.

Speaker 11 you know people have made like 14s and 15s and like I always want to see that tally line this guy just scrambling to fucking like how like yeah he's like literally doing math to try to figure out what what score to type in uh but yeah I've never seen the finger counting but I will now I'll keep my eye out for that okay all right so Max I have two last things one is you need to

Speaker 1 Just stare into your son's eyes before you start on Thursday. So like long stare.
This is what I'm doing it for. Perspective.
Maybe Maybe a little tears. That's fine.

Speaker 1 Just get the full, soak in the perspective. Okay.
Soak in it.

Speaker 11 It's funny you say that because my now five-month-old son told me just two days ago that he said, he said, these are his words, not mine.

Speaker 11 He said, Daddy, I believe you're going to win the masters and you're going to shove it right in Batgirl's face.

Speaker 11 He said those words. Yeah, it was pretty awesome considering that he hadn't spoken any words before and he just strung along such an eloquent sentence.

Speaker 1 Did he also say, I thought I saw it on Twitter that he also said, hey, daddy, is it true that the night I was conceived, you were being a real pervert?

Speaker 11 I didn't know he had a Twitter account. It was probably a burner, so I'm going to need to go and check his phone, but I wouldn't put it past him.

Speaker 11 The way he's been speaking to me,

Speaker 11 I would not put it past him.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. Then my last question is: what do you think about your Dodgers this year?

Speaker 11 You know, it's odd. I mean, this is like total fandom, but it's odd.
I feel like every other year when we like spent a just a gazillion dollars, there was so much pressure to

Speaker 11 win the World Series or bus.

Speaker 11 And this year, I almost feel like maybe that will be the key to us winning the World Series again. Not

Speaker 11 okay, well,

Speaker 11 but winning it again.

Speaker 11 So it'll, I don't know, it'll be a fun season.

Speaker 11 It's actually quite fun because everybody, you know, for the last eight or nine years has like in the division, like all my friends from southern, southern California

Speaker 11 will be like, oh my God, you guys just spent so much fucking money. Oh my God.
And now like the Padres have just decided that, you know, their credit cards work and they're just shelling out cash.

Speaker 11 So now I'm just like, have fun this year. If you guys don't fucking win, it's a complete and utter loss.
So I've had to deal with that for the last decade. So enjoy that.

Speaker 11 So I look forward to hopefully the Padres flaming out and the Dodgers somehow backdooring it. But I'm with you.

Speaker 11 I think last podcast, you guys talked about something about how, like, yeah, fandom is rooting for your team and hoping they win, but it's almost more fun when the teams you hate suck. Yep.

Speaker 11 So if the Dodgers do, in fact, not excel as I'm hoping they will, I will truly enjoy myself rooting against the Padres and Giants this year. So I feel good.

Speaker 11 I mean, they still got a really good lineup, but it's obviously a bit different than

Speaker 11 when they just, you know, brought, pulled up the Briggs truck to just about anybody they wanted.

Speaker 5 Okay, that's got the Lakers, and they're really good so you know

Speaker 1 short you're too short also

Speaker 1 just just want to let everyone know all the listeners that was our baseball preview so um appreciate that that was that was our entire baseball preview

Speaker 11 we have belly this year so that'll be fun yeah i mean hopefully he finds it because i i mean he's he's awesome but that'll be it's always weird when you have guys on the team you know for a long time and then they then they dip out but at least he's still in blue and white so i guess i can kind of get down with it yeah the cubs are going to be my line about the Cubs this year is they're going to be sneaky, not bad.

Speaker 1 Take that however you want. That's a really good twist.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a very good twist.

Speaker 5 I've got a one-team rivalry. As long as we're not as bad as the athletics, then I'm happy with the national season.
That's fair. It's a race for the bottom.

Speaker 5 Last thing, Max, when you win the Masters, which you can do physically and mentally.

Speaker 5 Thank you. You have to agree to come on part of my take for at least five minutes that Sunday night.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 11 Whatever y'all need. I mean, that's easy.
I'm going to be wearing a green jacket and smiling ear to ear.

Speaker 11 So, yeah, I'm very in. I will be royally wasted by the time I get on.
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 Not to put any pressure on you, but I'm going to bet on you so much I might win more money than you do.

Speaker 11 I hope you do, man.

Speaker 1 That would be awesome.

Speaker 11 I would be so happy if that was the case.

Speaker 11 What I hope happens is that you win the most money anyone's ever won on a single bet.

Speaker 11 And somehow, Bat Girl, like his, his, his, his, like, like, account fucked it up, and he did bet on Rocco Mediate, and he's not even playing, and he's going to be cheering the whole weekend.

Speaker 11 He's going to cry tears of joy, and then he's going to go to look at his account to see all the commas, and he's going to say, It's going to be red again.

Speaker 1 I'll be so happy. Yeah,

Speaker 5 I think, I think we're all loading up on you. It's Max of the year.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 perfect.

Speaker 1 Monday is either going to be a great day or a fucking terrible day for me. Yeah.
No, no, no. Great day.
Great day. So let's stay positive.
Max, thank you as always. Good luck in Augusta.

Speaker 1 We'll be cheering you. We'll be rooting.
We'll be watching everything. And everyone, just spicy meatball.
He's a spicy meatball. That's what we're doing.

Speaker 11 Thank you guys.

Speaker 11 And thank you guys for having me on. This has been a nice running four-year tradition.
So I'd like to keep this one going. Also, Jake, hi.
I love you. You're the nicest man in the world.
Oh.

Speaker 11 It's a damn. I'm good to see you.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 11 I'm looking forward to this. This should be fun.
Yes.

Speaker 1 All right. Awesome.
Nothing for Billy?

Speaker 11 He can send me an animal video if you'd like, but

Speaker 11 I'm not guaranteed to watch it. But I mean, that kind of worked last year.

Speaker 5 I think maybe Sunday. Maybe Sunday if you're in contention.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Sunday if I'm in contention, send me something fucked up.

Speaker 5 You're going to be super graphic.

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Speaker 1 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, recurring guest. It is Shane Bacon.
You can find him on Twitter at Shane Bacon. You can listen to him on his podcast, get a grip.

Speaker 1 He's also got a book out, The Golfer Zoo.

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Speaker 1 Let's go, Shane. You're doing everything.
We have you on to talk some masters.

Speaker 1 We're taping this before Masters Week, but we're running this Masters Week, so it is Masters Week.

Speaker 1 Let's start big picture.

Speaker 1 Is anyone better, is anyone going to beat Scotty Scheffler? Because it feels like for the first time since Tigers run in the early 2000s, it's like

Speaker 1 Scotty Scheffler's playing at a different level than everyone else, else, and it's going to be hard if he plays even 90% of his best to beat him.

Speaker 13 Yeah, you know, the interesting thing about the whole Scotty Scheffler experience was last year, it seemed not like a fluke. I mean, he, you know, he'd won in Phoenix.

Speaker 13 He'd obviously won in Bay Hill and he'd won the match play, but young people don't win at the Masters.

Speaker 13 Young players win everywhere else, but typically it takes a bit of time to get experience on the golf course and to not be intimidated by the whole fact that you're trying to win a green jacket and to join like the most exclusive club in sport.

Speaker 13 And the fact that he was able to do that and then he continued on and played well at the U.S. Open and nearly won there and then already has a win this season.

Speaker 13 I think it's a great point in terms of who can beat this guy because he obviously hits the ball as far as anybody out there, which is very important at Augusta.

Speaker 13 But it's his hands and his chipping around the greens that I think was so impressive last year and continues to impress me in terms of how he goes about his business.

Speaker 13 I mean, this is a guy that literally chips in what feels like every round.

Speaker 13 And when you think back to that final round last year, you know, it seemed like he was kind of starting to do what young people do on Sunday at the Masters, and he hits that bump and run on three and it goes in for Birdie.

Speaker 13 And the rest, you know, is part of Scotty Scheffler history.

Speaker 13 So I would say he's my favorite with the way he's playing and the way he played in Austin, headed into this golf course, and knowing that if you play well at Augusta, you typically play well at Augusta year in and year out.

Speaker 13 I think he is the favorite going in, and it's going to take monumental efforts to kind of knock him off that because he doesn't seem intimidated by the other players and by the moment they're at the masters.

Speaker 5 Yeah, more importantly, what is Scotty style when it comes to his sliders at the championship?

Speaker 1 So interesting. Have we figured that out yet? Because

Speaker 5 my theory is it's just like seasoning salt that he puts on at the end. He's like, now it's Scotty style.

Speaker 13 So sliders to me are best untouched. I don't need a lot on a slider.
Burgers are a different story, but to me, maybe a pickle, throw cheese on there, but I don't need more than that for a slider.

Speaker 13 I think it was UPFT that said he's going to lick all of them. Is that right?

Speaker 1 Was that his approach?

Speaker 5 That might have been Big Cat.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just a little piece on each slider.

Speaker 13 I just want to see Gary Player's face if Scotty walked by and licked his slider before he consumed it. But that'll be a question I think that'll pop up in the press conferences.

Speaker 13 What is Scotty's style for a slider? I'll be very interested. I'm from Texas.
I don't really think we have a slider feel that is any different than other places, but I guess we'll find that out.

Speaker 5 It's like when dads say, like, I serve this one up dad mode or whatever, and they just mix ketchup and mustard together.

Speaker 5 it's like that's dad's special sauce i think it's probably going to be something maybe like a touch of barbecue sauce on top and now it's scotty typically it's just when i overcook stuff i say that's my own style right it's like oh that that's just well done you're gonna love it yeah a real golf question about scotty's play at at his peak he does seem like he's the best but what about john rahm if we've got peak john rahm going up against peak scotty scheffler who wins that

Speaker 13 PFT, I know you've become a dimple head, as you call it. I know you're really obsessed with the game, and you understand that when you're really dialed, it's tough to be taken down.

Speaker 13 I mean, unless you're playing Big Cat at Schinnecock, it's almost impossible to beat certain players on the golf course.

Speaker 13 I would say right now, if Scotty Scheffler's playing his best golf, it's the best in the world. And that is definitely not something I would have said six months ago.

Speaker 13 I think six months ago would have been Rory or it would have been John Rahm or even Cameron Smith with the way, obviously, he played at St. Andrews.

Speaker 13 But to me, right now, with the way Scotty Scheffler is able to get the ball in the hole and around the greens, I think his best is the best in professional golf.

Speaker 1 Interesting. So the other big storyline for this Masters is obviously the Live guys showing up.

Speaker 1 Last year was a little weird because they hadn't played, you know, some of them weren't officially in Live. They hadn't played a Live event yet.
This year, Live is established as much as it can be.

Speaker 1 You have

Speaker 1 the Scotty dinner, the green jacket dinner, and then you have the pairing. So is it going to be awkward, do you think, at this dinner, do you think that it's going to to be like, hey, fuck you guys?

Speaker 1 Or does having a green jacket at that exclusive club trump all and they, and they kind of put it aside and go with the manners route?

Speaker 13 I think some of the players are trying their hardest to make it a little uncomfortable. I mean, you've seen some of the comments from Sergio Garcia, who will be in there at the champions dinner.

Speaker 13 You've seen Fred Couples take shots at a couple of these guys, you know, in the meeting. I mean, the quotes have been floating around, but I think when they get there, it won't be awkward.

Speaker 13 I mean, these are adult men having dinner, eating sliders. I mean, how awkward can it be? As you guys have said, it feels very much like a Ruby Tuesdays or an Applebee's menu for these guys.

Speaker 13 You can't be unhappy at an Applebee's. I will say, I did watch a Super Bowl at a Chili's once alone, and I was relatively unhappy that night.

Speaker 13 I was on the road, and you don't want to go to that type of restaurant and watch the actual Super Bowl. There's not a lot of cheering and happiness happening

Speaker 1 around that bar.

Speaker 5 That's my perfect date with myself.

Speaker 5 Go to Chili's Solo. The Super Bowl's on TV.

Speaker 1 You eat all the chips for yourself.

Speaker 5 You drink all the margaritas that they sell. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what? You have a limited mindset, Shane.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you're not unlimited.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 13 you guys might be right.

Speaker 13 Can I say, though, that the fact that they now put the calorie count on the chilies, chips, and queso, when you eat that whole thing by yourself, it does make you feel like a lesser person.

Speaker 1 It's like 3,000 calories. I feel like it actually is more of an accomplishment.
I'm like, look at the score I put up. I put up a high score today.
Take that.

Speaker 13 Take that skill at Queso. Maybe Skillet Queso's on the sliders.
Yes.

Speaker 1 So, all right. So when we get to the actual tournament, there's obviously going to be some live guys paired with, you know, it's just the nature of it.

Speaker 1 They're not going to put all the live guys together. So do you expect anything in that respect? Like,

Speaker 1 I'm guessing we're just going to make every little interaction. We're going to overblow it and be like, oh, look at this cold stare from Rory.
But is there anything to expect there or to look out for?

Speaker 13 I don't think at the Masters you're going to see that.

Speaker 13 I think these players understand that of all the golf tournaments they play in, this is the one where you don't make it about yourself or, you know, strife among players and people.

Speaker 13 I think we are going to talk about that in terms of media. I think we will blow this up as we get closer and closer to Thursday.

Speaker 13 But when you get out on the golf course, I'd say people are going to be relatively calm and, you know, respectful and gentlemanlike. But I will say this, Big Cat.

Speaker 13 Of all the microphones in golf, it's the loudest one is at Augusta.

Speaker 13 And if you are going to say something, if Phil Mickelson does want to take a shot or does want to say something about another person, if you say it there, you understand that everybody's going to be listening.

Speaker 13 So if there is a place that you could make a comment that's going to float around outside of golf circles, it could happen here. But I don't expect too much of that in terms of the players.

Speaker 13 I think they understand that at this, at this golf tournament, at this place, at this golf course, understanding what the Masters is all about, they'll probably be gentlemen-y, I'd say.

Speaker 1 Okay, we need Phil mic'd up because Phil is the one guy that if you just get him talking, he'll just say a bunch of shit and then afterwards be like, whoops, didn't mean to say that.

Speaker 13 He's done it before. I mean, if you think back to that Ryder Cup press conference years ago where he's literally sitting next to the captain taking shots at him, I mean, Phil is

Speaker 13 a lot of things. He's a very smart guy, and Phil understands what he says.
He understands that it's calculated. And if he says things to ruffle feathers, he's doing it on purpose.

Speaker 13 So I would say if there's anybody to kind of put odds on that might, you know, maybe go that way, it would be Phil Mickelson.

Speaker 13 But I also understand that that this is Phil's favorite week and it's his favorite golf tournament. And I think the last place he wants to upset people at is Augusta Nationals.
So

Speaker 13 I think he'll be subdued to a certain extent.

Speaker 5 We've got a lot of listeners out there in the younger demographic, a lot of kids that are massive fans of the aces on the live tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 My four-year-old son, Chris, he can't get enough of Patrick Reed. Who is the one person from the Live Tour that you think could actually win the Masters?

Speaker 5 And how awkward would that be if a Live player won at Augusta?

Speaker 13 I'm going to go back to Cam Smith. I mean, obviously, that's taking the last major winner.
So that's maybe an easy way out, but he's had a ton of success at Augusta, played great here last year.

Speaker 13 You know, he's got a great short game and he's an incredible putter. And those things are very important at this golf course in particular.
So I would say he'd be on the top of my list.

Speaker 13 Dustin Johnson has won a green jacket before and typically plays well in majors and gets himself in top tens.

Speaker 13 But I think of all the storylines going in, that is the one I'm most interested in is considering how little amount of golf they've played in a professional environment.

Speaker 13 I think they'll only have three live events going in to the Masters, including the weekend that we just had in Orlando. They haven't played a lot of tournament golf.

Speaker 13 And tournament golf is, it's like going to the gym.

Speaker 13 I mean, you're not going to be, you know, you're going to be way more sore if you take breaks, weeks off going to the gym, and your mind isn't going to be as sharp for tournament golf if you're not playing as much as like Rory and Scotty and Max and that whole crew who's been playing since the wraparound season last year.

Speaker 13 So if somebody does win, a live player does win, I will take it as more impressive than maybe anything else because, again, I mean, they just haven't gone through the reps.

Speaker 5 It might be too quiet out there for him. Liv is golf, but louder.
Yeah. So they might not be used to all the silence.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Maybe like headphones like Tin Cup when he was doing the qualifier, like maybe bring a stringed headphone like Big Cat does when he's traveling. I mean, that would be a play.

Speaker 1 It would be funny if they just slipknot.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it would be funny if we also could watch the live golfers on cw just out of like you know masters cut a deal with cw and we're just watching them simulcast yeah just so it's the featured group coverage yeah i love that is there these are the live dudes yes would there be anything that would stop the live tour from like turning the masters having their own tournament inside of the masters so like whichever golfer plays the best at augusta they also know that they're going to get 10 million dollars from muhammad bin salmon you know i mean it's it's a suggestion i put it in the box i i don't i don't i don't think it's a dumb idea.

Speaker 13 I just say who's the low-live guy. And if you win, it's double.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, you never know. They throw money around a lot.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they might not let them play next year if they do something like that. Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, that's true.

Speaker 13 Also a big part of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
So let's talk about the course. What have they changed? And what do you expect from the course? Because we're big fans of the course on this podcast.

Speaker 13 Yeah, 13 will be a different experience. If you guys remember, and I know you do last year, 15, which is the other part five on the second night at Augusta, they made it longer.

Speaker 13 And considering the weather we had last year, the wind was into the players' face. We didn't see as many players going for 15.

Speaker 13 You know, in years past, like in Tigers' prime, I mean, he was hitting five and six irons into that part five. And we saw last year players going forward, hitting three woods.

Speaker 13 They did the same thing to 13. So 13, I think, is the most famous part five in the world.
And I think a lot of golf nerds call it the best hole in the world. world in terms of golf.

Speaker 13 They've added distance to that and they've elevated the tee as well. So you're going to see a lot more drivers off the T at 13.

Speaker 13 I think you're going to see a lot more balls left in the trees and in the creek there. So I think they're bringing in the big numbers again at 13.

Speaker 13 So these par fives on the second nine, where we used to see a lot of Eagles and a ton of birdies, you're still going to see Eagles and Birdies, but you're also going to see, you know, six, sevens, and eights, which, you know, brings in kind of the old school way of those par fives back in the day.

Speaker 13 You know, Curtis Strange in 1985 had a great chance to win the Masters, and he made six on 13 and 15.

Speaker 1 He was hitting lumber into those par fives and that's what we're going back to which is pretty exciting okay so another question about the course and and this is maybe just uh my i don't know enough about golf and how these tournaments work when it comes to where they put the pins do they deliberately say like oh these guys are scoring too well let's make it harder as the weekend goes along like do they know already where the pins will be on saturday or sunday or is that something they decide after the round on friday and saturday i would say they have a good idea of where all the locations are going to be throughout the week.

Speaker 13 And the only reason they might change them is conditions. So maybe they have it on a high point and it's an extremely windy day.
And so they decide to move it a little bit.

Speaker 13 But at the Masters and at Augusta, I think they have a pretty good idea of where the whole locations will be all four days.

Speaker 13 And a lot of them, especially on the second nine, are relatively traditional. Hole locations like you guys know at 16 when Tiger won in 2019.

Speaker 13 That's the same whole location as when he chipped in in 05. You know where it's going to be on 17.
You have a good idea. It's going to be short of the hill on 18.

Speaker 13 I mean, these are part of the tradition of the golf course and the golf tournament is putting them in the same spots so fans understand where they're going to be and players do as well.

Speaker 5 I love it when they release the pin locations in the morning. So great.
So early. You see that tweet go out there and it's just like, okay, it's golf time, baby.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 PFT, you strike me as a guy that might even print those out just to have it around like a bracket. No, I just

Speaker 5 pick my own. So I map out what I think the pin locations are going to be.
Then I score myself. It is kind of like a bracket after every day.
So

Speaker 5 if I go 10 for 18, then that's kind of my standard that I hold myself. It's a perfect front name.

Speaker 13 That's a great idea. So it's like a blueprint of a green, and you place where you think it's going to be.
That is next level thinking.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I predicted in 2017, I had a perfect bracket on Thursday.

Speaker 1 No, it was a perfect front nine. Yeah, it's perfect.
Well, you didn't have the perfect back nine.

Speaker 5 It's a perfect front nine on Thursday. Yeah.
But they're still talking about it to this day. Yeah, they are.

Speaker 1 It's an incredible.

Speaker 13 BitKeck, can I ask you a question? I've been interested in this. Yeah.
You guys have gotten way more into golf over the last year, year and a half, two years.

Speaker 13 What's the power ranking of player at part in my take? Like, who's the best and who's the worst?

Speaker 1 Well, Hank plays the most. My problem is, unfortunately, Hank and PFD, for me, it's not unfortunate for everyone else, but they're getting really into golf.

Speaker 1 I don't have the time to golf because I watch every sport and then I also have two soon-to-be-three kids. So it's hard for me to be like, oh, yeah, I'm watching every sport every day.

Speaker 1 And then also on Saturday morning, I'm going to peace out for for six hours. So I think it's going to be bad when we start doing more golf content for me.
But Hank is the one who plays the most.

Speaker 1 So he should be the best. Jake is the best naturally.
Like, Jake playing his best will beat everyone else. But Hank, I mean, how many rounds?

Speaker 1 He plays an insane amount of golf.

Speaker 5 It'd be very embarrassing if Hank wasn't the best golfer on this podcast. Right.
But unfortunately, I think that might be the case. I think Jake is the best golfer on this podcast.

Speaker 5 And then Hank would be second. I suck at golf.
I just, I still haven't played a full, what do you call it, a round? Yeah. I haven't played a full round of golf yet, like a full 18.

Speaker 5 So I think right now, if I were to do it, I would probably shoot 140. But we're working, you know, we're working on it.

Speaker 13 You have to start somewhere. I also had an idea for Hank, by the way.
You guys, I don't know if you guys know this. You guys do this lottery ball thing.

Speaker 13 And Big Cat, I know you don't bring it up often that Hank's never gotten it, but Hank has never gotten the number.

Speaker 13 I mean, at least that's what I'm hearing when I listen.

Speaker 1 I didn't even realize that. I'm a textbook.
Rarely brought up.

Speaker 13 It's rarely brought up. Check the numbers.
I was thinking about this for Hank. When he gets it, if he ever gets it, that's the number he should mark his golf ball.

Speaker 13 His golf ball, he should personalize his golf ball with that number for the rest of his life.

Speaker 1 Ooh, I like that. I mean, he never will get it, but that's a good idea.
Like, he never, ever will get it.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, we'll never have to be there. But I like the idea if, like, in a fantasy world where, like, yeah, Hank's going to get it, never going to get it.
That'd be like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Wait, does do the old guys, I know the old guys at the masters they tee off

Speaker 13 like why doesn't why don't some of them say like i want to play the whole round like they can they do that well past champions can play okay they can play the masters but i think the term is it they have to be competitive and so i'm assuming there's some sort of a number that you know you have to shoot around

Speaker 13 and uh and i also i mean also these guys don't want to embarrass themselves but there's been some shots back in the day jack smoking one or or gary hitting it solid and you know it's in a place where the pros the guys that are going to tee up after him, would love to be.

Speaker 13 So, yeah, you know, maybe play one, play one like a, like for like 20 bucks or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if I'm, if I'm Jack Niklaus, I'm playing the whole first two rounds. Like I'm playing Thursday and Friday being like, it's my right.
I'm getting to do this. I don't know why he does it.

Speaker 13 1998, crazy little golf,

Speaker 13 nerdy golf stat for you. In 1998, Tiger and Jack finished in the top 10 at the Masters.
Oh, that is relatively wild.

Speaker 1 That is wild. Super Super wild.
That's incredibly wild. Holy shit.
I want to go back to a comment you made and just get more detail on it. You said that young guys struggle at Augusta.
Why is that?

Speaker 1 What exactly is it? Is it just the scene, the stage is too big, or is it the actual golf course that guys struggle with?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I would say it's probably 50-50. I think it's a stage, you know, understanding that if you win at the Masters, you're forever in this club.

Speaker 13 I mean, if you think about Jordan Speeth winning at such a young age, I mean, he's in that rotation for the the rest of his life.

Speaker 13 And I think understanding what that means, I mean, a ton of money comes your way for the next five, 10 years as a master's champion. But I also think it's golf course.

Speaker 13 I think it's understanding that of all the golf courses these guys will play all year long, this is the one where knowledge is the most helpful. You know, somebody like Max, right?

Speaker 13 Max can go play any golf course and shoot 65, but to truly understand the intricacies of hole locations and which ones not to go at and the way putts will break and T-shots that you want to take on and holes that you want to kind of, you know, pull back on.

Speaker 13 I think there's so much of that in play at this golf course in particular. I remember Max telling a story at his first Masters.
It was 2020, if you guys remember.

Speaker 13 That was the November Masters and he played with Fred Couples, who has played, you know, 40-something Masters.

Speaker 13 And he said on 13, Fred Couples laid up short of the creek and hit it like five feet off the ground. And Max was walking up and asked him what the reasoning was that for.

Speaker 13 And he said, if you hit it high and it's soft, you might get a mud ball.

Speaker 13 So he just kind of puts it down the fairway and it avoids getting mud on the golf ball i mean that is the type of knowledge that you get when you play this place year in and year out and so you know when you look at the average age of winners it's typically in their 30s not in their 20s like we're seeing in other golf tournaments and especially in the modern era i love it i mean i love those like intricacies of the masters that makes it so unique and i guess it makes sense because these guys can't like they they can't just play Augusta in like random times in the year, correct?

Speaker 1 Like Max can't just say, I want to go play Augusta and get a few rounds in to learn more about the course, can he?

Speaker 13 I think you can go on a scouting trip. I'm not 100% sure on that.
I think if you're in the Masters tournament, you can go play a day or two, but I mean, you can't go five times. You can't go 10 times.

Speaker 13 I mean, if you want to go and fly up, if you guys watch full swing, you know, last year when Jordan and Justin, they went to Tulsa, they played Southern Hills.

Speaker 13 I mean, you could do that four or five times if you wanted before the PGA championship. That's not the case, obviously, at the Masters.

Speaker 13 And also, Augusta is not open open all year round because they're always doing changes and they close it down in the summer.

Speaker 13 And so, you know, you just, you're not allotted that much time to go out there and do that. So, yeah, when you show up, Masters Week.

Speaker 13 And the other thing is the golf course doesn't play like it plays like it does in the Masters, except for Masters Week.

Speaker 13 So you'll hear players say, I was at her two weeks ago, but it was almost in theory a waste of my time in terms of tournament prep.

Speaker 1 Interesting.

Speaker 5 And do they, do they pipe in the bird noises on television?

Speaker 13 No, you'll see birds. You'll see birds flying around.
There's no piping in.

Speaker 5 This thing is a naturale, baby.

Speaker 13 It is ready to rock.

Speaker 1 Are you allowed to carry your cell phone on the course because you're a journalist?

Speaker 13 I can't. I think you've got to be like Van Pelt level is basically what I cut the line off at.

Speaker 13 I think if you're Scott Van Pelt or Jim, you might be able to carry it around, but I am not allowed a cell phone on the course.

Speaker 5 Scott has to be ready in case any Mets get injured. He has to be able to fire off some tweet and start do a selfie of him doing the gritty across the green.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Always the rest.

Speaker 13 Man, that could be amount rush Rushmore of people you'd like to see do the gritty.

Speaker 1 Van Pelt would be high on the list. He'd probably

Speaker 13 6'6.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, when they bring Darren Ruff back up to the majors, you'll see him do it. Yeah, he's going to be pumped.
That's a fact.

Speaker 1 That's a fact. All right, so give us some other names.

Speaker 1 Obviously, we talked about Scotty, but give us maybe three or four names that you got circled, a long shot even.

Speaker 1 You're like, these guys are playing great golf and their game fits Augusta.

Speaker 13 Yeah, so this isn't a name that I'm pulling from any sort of a weird hat, but I'm very interested to see what Rory does on Thursday, Friday.

Speaker 13 Rory, if you guys remember last year when he hold that bunker shot, he shot 64 in the final round. And after the final round, he said, I'm leaving here with my first positive thoughts at any masters.

Speaker 13 And so I'm interested to see how Rory kind of rolls that in. He's been playing great golf.
I mean, you know, he made the constellation match of the match play already a winner this year.

Speaker 13 So I'm very interested to see. how he does.

Speaker 13 I'm actually really excited to see what Hideki does. You know, Hideki obviously has won at Augusta, but he's kind of been in and out of injury.
And he's playing this week.

Speaker 13 Well, I guess last week in Texas, he's playing in San Antonio, which is a bit abnormal for Hideki in terms of his scheduling. So I'm interested to see how he kind of rolls into it and does.

Speaker 13 And then the other name, and again, you guys have already mentioned this is one of the best players in the world, but somebody like John Rahm, who we saw play great early in the season, but he hasn't played as well of late.

Speaker 13 I'm just interested in seeing what John Rahm does because, again, John Rahm is such a good pitcher of the golf ball.

Speaker 13 And I'd say if you're going to rank skill sets to do well at Augusta, pitching the golf ball is number one.

Speaker 13 And the fact that John Rahm is so good at that, and then, you know, one of you guys is boys, but the Max Homa ride, for goodness sakes, and the fact that he has now turned probably the worst part of his game in terms of being able to chip the golf ball consistently into a real weapon.

Speaker 13 I mean, he's one of the best in the world at pitching off fairway lies.

Speaker 13 I'm so excited to see what Max can do here because he's obviously been playing great and he's been trending in these major championships.

Speaker 13 And I only feel like it's a matter of time before he gets himself in contention. So I feel like it's a max week.
I would be shocked if he wasn't, you know, top five, top 10, headed into Sunday. Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 5 But he did call out the course a little bit. So we just had him on part of my take, and he said, uh-oh, it's going to rain.
It's going to rain next week. So there's some low numbers out there.

Speaker 13 Yeah, but he's a mutter, man. Max is a mutter.
I was texting with him yesterday about this. He said the forecast looks bad.

Speaker 13 And I said, that's good for you because Max is one of those guys that the grosser it gets, the more into it he gets.

Speaker 13 And a lot of the players, when it gets nasty, it gets wet, you're not playing great golf, that can affect you. And Max is one of those guys that almost plays, that plays into his hands.

Speaker 13 So I would say the nastier, the better for Max.

Speaker 5 I like that.

Speaker 1 I love that. Nasty.
So

Speaker 1 the other thing I'm wondering, you say we wouldn't be shocked if Max is in top five, top 10. How shocked would you be if Tiger is in one of those last few groups on Sunday?

Speaker 1 Because obviously Tiger, even though he's gone through the injuries, people always will say when he gets to Augusta, it's different. He knows the course better than anyone else.

Speaker 1 So do you think Tiger has a run in him?

Speaker 13 Yes, I do.

Speaker 13 One of the biggest things for Tiger going into this Masters versus last year, there was a ton of unknown going in last year. Obviously, we didn't even know if he could walk 72 holes.

Speaker 13 If you remember the week before the Masters, we weren't even sure if he was going to play.

Speaker 13 The fact that he played Riv this year, he played in Los Angeles, and he played excellent golf for a couple of those rounds. He shot 67 on Saturday, one of the low rounds of the entire day.

Speaker 13 The fact that he has four rounds of walking a a golf course that's not easy to walk, playing competitive golf, having a couple of great days, I think was huge for Tigers' mental approach to this week.

Speaker 13 And so we saw some good from Tiger last year. If you remember, he shot 71 on Thursday.
I feel like we will see better from Tiger this year.

Speaker 13 Would I be shocked if he was in the top five going into Sunday? I would not be shocked. I wrote an article years ago for Fox Sports that said Tiger was done.

Speaker 13 I mean, obviously, that was incredibly incorrect about Tiger's career.

Speaker 13 I would be non-shocked if he was in the top five, but just going into this this year versus last year, I feel more positive about him being able to go four days on a golf course.

Speaker 13 It's one of the hardest walks of the entire year for the pro golfers.

Speaker 5 That would be awesome. So if Tiger was just in the conversation on Sunday, that would really make a lot of people's weekends.

Speaker 13 What is in the conversation, by the way? Like, what does he need to be come Sunday to be, quote unquote, in the conversations? Top top 20? Like, is it six shots back?

Speaker 1 I think he needs to, I think it's

Speaker 1 truly in the conversation. I think he needs to be within like four shots of the lead.
And it can't be obviously he's four shots a lead, but he's 13th.

Speaker 1 Like, because you, you know, there's obviously he doesn't, he can't jump that many guys.

Speaker 1 But if he's, if he is, we're waking up Sunday morning and it's like, if Tiger Woods plays his best round, he will have a chance to win this.

Speaker 1 That's, that's kind of where I would be like, Tiger's really in the conversation here.

Speaker 5 That first page that they they show the leaderboard before they scroll to the second, if he's at the bottom of that first page, because with Tiger, I still have it in my head because we've been watching him since, what, 97, whenever he came onto the national stage.

Speaker 5 I'm always thinking, like, Tiger could just, he could just hit a hole in one on a par four.

Speaker 5 Like, that thought is always in the back of my head, like, this guy is so much different from everybody else. Just get, get Tiger on the first page, and I can convince myself he can win it.

Speaker 13 And I will say this about the Masters. We were talking about young players at the Masters earlier.

Speaker 13 I would say this is one of the last golf tournaments that you will truly see players choke on Sunday simply because they understand what comes with this.

Speaker 13 I think that was a little bit of what I talked about earlier with Scheffler last year, is it was a slow start on Sunday and you kind of had that feeling, okay, maybe he's not ready.

Speaker 13 And then obviously he proved that to be incorrect. But when Tiger was in the hunt in 19 and he ended up winning, you saw players that don't typically struggle or choke fall apart late.

Speaker 13 If you remember Kepka, he obviously hits it in the water on 12.

Speaker 13 But Brooks, who who I would say was the alpha male in pro golf at that time over anybody else, and he knew that, finally faced off with somebody that was more of an alpha than he was.

Speaker 13 And he had great chances on 17 and 18 to potentially get in a playoff with Tiger, and he didn't hit the hole on those putts.

Speaker 13 If Tiger is around the lead on 11, 12, 13 on Sunday, it matters so much more than anybody else in the field being around the lead because he understands what it takes to win those things.

Speaker 13 And there are so many players that don't understand what it takes and how to get it done at this golf course in that type of pressure environment.

Speaker 13 And so if he's four back, three back, even going to the second nine on Sunday, I think there's a real opportunity that he could pull off number six.

Speaker 5 We are still rooting for Brooks. We want him to step his game back up and to get in the conversation during these majors.

Speaker 5 But maybe you can tell us from a golf perspective, what's different about Brooks's game now than four years ago?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, it's just all been health. I'm with you guys.

Speaker 13 I mean, no matter, you know, my my thing with the PJ tour and live and this whole quote-unquote split is a lot of the guys that went to live are still interesting to watch and they're still fun to root for.

Speaker 13 I'm talking about Brooks. I mean, you know, Bryson is polarizing, obviously, and people either love him or don't like him, right?

Speaker 13 And that's good for golf because golf obviously needs villains and struggles to find those villains. But for Kepka, it's always been health.

Speaker 13 I mean, he's just been going through a ton of health issues over the last two and three years. And it's not just being unhealthy, but when you're unhealthy, you also can't practice.

Speaker 13 And if you're not practicing, obviously, you know, you're going to be losing ground to the people that can go out there and bang balls 100% healthy.

Speaker 13 That's something Tiger has talked about over the last 10 years of his life is he just hadn't had the opportunity to go out there and hit his enemy range balls and work on his game like a Rory could or a Cam Smith could or a Jordan Speed could.

Speaker 1 Makes sense. All right.
I have one last question. This has been awesome, Shane.

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Speaker 1 Give us, I'm going to put you on the spot because I want all the listeners to, if this turns out to be correct, they can be like, man, Shane Bacon's awesome. He knows golf.

Speaker 1 And if you're wrong, they can be like, fuck this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
Give us someone

Speaker 1 that we're not talking about that I won't ask you to have them win, but maybe a top 10, top 20 from back in the field where it's like, I got my eye on this guy.

Speaker 1 I think he's setting up perfect for this tournament.

Speaker 13 I'll go Jason Day. I know his odds have improved as of late, but Jason Day in his prime, so 2014, 2015, 2016, was a staple on the leaderboards at the Masters.

Speaker 13 Really had an awesome chance to win, I believe, in 2011 when there was some seven, eight, nine guys, you know, in and around the lead with about four or five holes to play.

Speaker 13 Jason Day has been trending, and his game plays so well at Augusta. Exceptional putter, great pitcher, the golf ball, and has kind of gained some distance this year.

Speaker 13 So I would say Jason Day, while he's a notable name and somebody that I think three, four, five years ago, you would have, we would have already brought up, I feel like the way he's been playing as of late, I would say he is looking at this week as a real opportunity to win a second major in a first green jacket.

Speaker 13 So I would say Jason Day is the name that I'm looking at. And, you know, I think Joaquin Neiman is somebody that I could see have some success here just the way he hits the golf ball.

Speaker 13 And again, in and around the greens, I'd say those are kind of two people that I'm looking at that maybe aren't on those, you know, first five, six, seven odd lists.

Speaker 1 Okay, so if those guys finish top 20, everyone tweets Shane and be like, thanks for the pick. And if they don't, be like, Shane's a fucking idiot.
He should never talk golf again. I forgot one guy.

Speaker 1 I have pledged it. I will bet on him every single major until he wins one, Wills Aleatoris.
How are we feeling about Willie Z? I love his game. He seems like a great guy.

Speaker 1 We've had him on the show, and I'm just pot committed at this point. I'm just going to keep doing it.
I've lost a lot of money.

Speaker 1 He's been very close, but I'm going to keep doing it until he wins a major.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, came really, really close last year at multiple majors. Has just also been battling some injury, which is a bit of a bummer because he was so, he was trending in the right direction.

Speaker 13 I think Will Zalatours is probably a top three or four iron player in the world. And if you talk to pro golfers, they say Augusta.

Speaker 13 I think it's way more about pitching, but a lot of the players will call it a second shot golf course.

Speaker 13 So I would say Zalatours is always going to be in and around on the weekend at this place because of the fact that he's just such an exceptional iron player.

Speaker 13 But, you know, the in and out of injury, battling that over the last, you know, six, seven, eight months, I don't love injured golfers going into a place like this because I just don't feel like they've been able to spend as much time on their game.

Speaker 13 Would I be surprised if Will Zalatource was in the hunt? Absolutely not. But he probably wouldn't be.

Speaker 13 in my list of six people I'd pick if I was, you know, putting together some sort of a master's pool.

Speaker 5 Okay. Just so it's clear, I'm still going to bet on Will Zaltoris.

Speaker 1 I've made my bet.

Speaker 1 I've come close.

Speaker 1 The U.S. Open, I remember, was on Father's Day, and I had to give a speech in my house.
Like, everyone just shut up. We're trying to get this win.

Speaker 1 He ruined Father's Day, but that's okay. Actually, Fitzpatrick ruined Father's Day, not Will Zaltoros.
But yeah, I'm a Willie Z guy for life.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, he's such a cool kid. I've had the opportunity to cover him, you know, back in my Fox days when he was playing in some of those USGA championships.
You knew he was a stud then.

Speaker 13 You could kind of feel it. I mean, I even got that sensation in and around Scotty Scheffler.
He was low amateur at Aaron Hills that year, and I got a chance to interview him.

Speaker 13 And just, you guys know this. I mean, you guys deal with so many athletes.
There are young athletes that come in and they're cool and they're calm and they're collected.

Speaker 13 And then there's that level above that where they almost feel like they're 40-year-olds. And Zalatoris was like that, and Scheffler was like that.

Speaker 13 And so there's no, there's been no surprise to me that they've been successful this early in their careers, considering it feels like the head on the shoulders thing is real.

Speaker 5 I think Scheffler might actually be 46. I think he was born 46 years old, like as a baby.
He's like doing his own.

Speaker 13 He's golf, Greg Odin, just

Speaker 13 dialed and ready to rock and roll. Yeah,

Speaker 13 it's a good joke that floats around the golf circles. The no-laying up guys have leaned on that heavily over the last few years about Scheffler being older than he is.

Speaker 13 But there was actually, there's a new picture at my golf course, and it's from like the 1800s, and it looks exactly like Scotty Scheffler.

Speaker 13 I'll text you guys a picture when I go back over there because, again,

Speaker 13 it's an ancient photo and it looks like Scotty.

Speaker 5 I think it might be like an Albert Pujolst type situation. Fake birth certificate for Scotty Scheffler.

Speaker 1 I think he is.

Speaker 13 What was the baseball player, Danny? What was his last name? Almonte.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's Danny Almonte. That's what he is, except he's just 46.
He's always been 46. His birthday, his age never changes.
I saw that you tweeted something out the other day.

Speaker 5 I want to ask you about, then we'll let you go.

Speaker 5 You're competing in a tournament or maybe just a round of golf where you just get one club for the entire round and you're trying to figure out what the best club to you if you could only use one club for 18 holes of golf.

Speaker 5 I've always thought it's the seven iron and you're thinking about not doing the seven iron.

Speaker 13 Okay, so I didn't write this on Twitter because you guys know how Twitter is, especially these days, and there had been a lot of clapback if I had to mention it.

Speaker 13 I won the one club tournament last year with a seven iron. I made four pars to close, which I was very impressed about.
And so

Speaker 13 I've been throwing out the idea of using a seven wood, which again would allow me to gain distance off the tee, but the little chippy shots might be a little tougher.

Speaker 13 And I've had a lot of people bring up bunkers. So it's really for me between seven wood and seven iron.
And seven wood, the reasoning is because Max Homa. Max Homa is a seven wood guy.

Speaker 13 I've followed in the footsteps of one of my heroes and I've become a seven wood guy as well. And I'm really considering it.
It is this Saturday at a local course here in Connecticut.

Speaker 13 And either I'm going to go seven iron or seven wood. And it seems like the people at least want to see the seven wood.

Speaker 1 I would actually go putter.

Speaker 1 Just all putter.

Speaker 13 Off the tee?

Speaker 5 I can drive my putter 65 yards.

Speaker 13 PFT, you need to get a, I think it was, was it the tuttle?

Speaker 13 It was like an old Callaway putter they had back in the day, and it looks like a three-wood, and you could absolutely smoke that thing off the T.

Speaker 13 So maybe that's a purchase you need to have in the near future.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I like the putter, the chipper putter. You remember those things?

Speaker 13 Yes, I have a couple buddies that still use those things and always slightly embarrassing when they pull it out. But hey, if it's effective, who cares? Yep.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Shane, thank you so much.
Appreciate it. Very excited.
Masters Week is the best, best nap of the year.

Speaker 1 Go find him at Shane Bacon on Twitter. You can listen to him all the time.
He's got the book out.

Speaker 1 Everyone got to buy the book.

Speaker 1 So thanks so much, Shane. We appreciate it.

Speaker 13 Absolutely, guys. Big fans of you guys.
You guys crush it all the time. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap it up. We got FAQs,

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 1 Um, real quick, means want me to bring this up. Anthony Rendone.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
He got suspended five games.

Speaker 5 Hey, have you heard this one? Another swing and a miss from Anthony Rendone.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. That was...

Speaker 1 I mean, everyone who's been listening to the show, who's been following forever, knows that I have the rule that they should enact in all sports that every player gets to fight one fan once a year.

Speaker 1 Because that solves that. He gets to fight that guy who called him a pussy, beat his ass.
He called him a bitch.

Speaker 1 He called him a bitch, beat his ass, and then no one's going to fuck with the rest of the Nats because he'd be like, wow, Anthony Rendon beat the fuck out of him. They're all probably tough.

Speaker 5 He's on the Angels now. Angels.
Thanks for bringing that up. He's another great player that the Nats lost.

Speaker 5 But he hasn't been that good since he left the team. So that's net positive.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he's spent in five games.

Speaker 5 He's been in five games. I think that's as close as Rob Manford would get to saying, yeah, you're allowed to take a swipe out of Fannie if he calls you a bitch.
Yeah. Because that's like nothing.

Speaker 1 He grabbed him. It was awesome when he he just had him in his grasp.
Yeah. I could just never let you go.

Speaker 5 The funniest part about that was his dad, the guy's dad, was walking his son down and like pushing his son at Anthony Rendone and being like, yeah, this is my son.

Speaker 5 He's the guy that called you a bitch. Go ahead, say it to his face.
And then Rendon tried to slap him. Rendon's, he's used to missing games, so this would be fine for him.

Speaker 5 You should be allowed to fight a fan for sure. Yes.

Speaker 7 Or at least just slap.

Speaker 5 Just a power slap.

Speaker 1 All these fans wouldn't be talking like this if you had the threat of like, this guy can just beat my ass.

Speaker 5 Classy or not by Rendone.

Speaker 5 I think it's classy.

Speaker 1 I think it was classy. I think the whole thing was classy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was like challenging him to a duel. Openhand slap.
That's okay.

Speaker 1 Joe Biden, invite them both to the White House. Let's figure this out once and for all.
All right, FAQs.

Speaker 6 Is Madden Movie Friday really happening this summer? So much of your demo is probably severely lacking in the movies you grew up on.

Speaker 6 I hate the only baseball dog days of summer, so I so I need something else to look forward to.

Speaker 1 I want to do it. I think we should do it.

Speaker 1 I think we should maybe test it out in July and see if people like it. And if people like it, we will try to do a few more and then maybe we'll start doing it every summer.

Speaker 1 But my idea was: so in college,

Speaker 1 we would do man movie Fridays and we would

Speaker 1 watch just like the most the

Speaker 1 worst action movie you can watch and we just sit down and watch it in the middle of the afternoon and get drunk so we'd watch uh blood sport which is actually an incredible movie uh

Speaker 1 what was the what was the other one fuck now my brain is not working right now under siege under siege we oh all the sagal movies uh hard target um

Speaker 1 cobra there's so many good movies that are just action movies with cheesy dialogue it's basically like watching like porn but instead of fucking they just beat the fuck out of each other because, like, the dialogue's that bad.

Speaker 1 Best of the best, too, maybe my favorite movie ever. So, I think we should do it.

Speaker 5 I think we should do it. I think we should do it.
Commando is another one out of it. Commando.
Commando, Arnold Schwarzenegger. That was his like coming out movie.

Speaker 5 Oh, amazing. He kills a dude by throwing like a steam pipe into his chest and goes, Hey, Bennett, let off some steam.

Speaker 1 It's they're so good. I mean, basically, we could just do all of Seagal's library.
Yeah. Jean-Claude Van Damme.
Like, if John Claude Van Damme or Steven Seagal are in a movie, I will love it.

Speaker 1 Like, that's just, that's just a, that's a, that's, Roadhouse, uh, Roadhouse is a great movie. That was what I was thinking of.
That actually is an incredible movie. Maybe we'll start with Roadhouse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good one. Roadhouse has the best line of all time when it's the bad guy says to, I don't know if he says Patrick Shrazi or someone else.
He's, he grabs him.

Speaker 1 He says, I used to fuck guys like you in prison. It's like, wait.

Speaker 1 So you fuck guys in prison?

Speaker 1 I would not mess with that guy. Yeah.
So yeah, I think we should do it. Don't you guys think? Like, July, we can, because we can tape them before the move.
We can just sit down,

Speaker 1 bang through some of them.

Speaker 1 We'll actually review them. We'll tell everyone.
Maybe we'll release the schedule before July so people have a ton of time to get ready for it.

Speaker 5 I think the title of this should be

Speaker 5 movies that you've watched before that you're going to watch again. Okay.
I think that's a good concept of podcasting.

Speaker 1 Okay. I like that.
I like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We'll work on the title.

Speaker 1 Rewatching Rewatching old movies.

Speaker 5 Don't say

Speaker 5 the R-word.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Mentally watching. See it again.

Speaker 5 Seeing movies again.

Speaker 1 Seeing movies again. Yep.
For the second time. Or third.
It's a great name.

Speaker 6 Was Billy saying Zach Wilson had Patrick Mahomes' potential the hottest take in PMT history?

Speaker 6 I haven't listened to the episode in six years, and I've been racking my brain trying to find a worse take in show history.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 5 I've got a very recent one that we we could say.

Speaker 1 Which one? I mean, I don't want to say it again. Oh.

Speaker 5 Title Town.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 That was.

Speaker 6 No, but I immediately walked that back. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Billy truly believed that.

Speaker 1 We've had some pretty bad ones.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure when Patrick Mahomes was playing in his first preseason, I saw one clip where he didn't look good, and it was also because the Bears are drafted. I was like, this guy's a bust.

Speaker 1 So that was pretty bad. I was like,

Speaker 1 you can't play like that in the NFL.

Speaker 5 I thought Brandon Staley was going to turn this whole Chargers thing around. I was like, this guy knows ball.
This guy has, it's a new C-words team.

Speaker 7 Forget your father's C-word.

Speaker 1 We thought Nathaniel Hackett was smart. Yep, we did.
Yeah. So there's been some bad, but that one probably is the worst because he stuck by it so hard.

Speaker 1 Like a lot of the bad ones were pretty quick to be like, okay, that was bad. I mean, we have a lot of in-the-moment ones, too.
I mean, the the Asante Samuel Jr.

Speaker 1 is overrated, and then he had three interceptions in the wild card game. That was pretty bad by me.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I just said Drew Holiday was a role player, and then he dropped 51 points that night.

Speaker 1 What do you got, memes? Oh, Duncan. No, Duncan from the free throw line's not a take.
That was just a dumb idea. He's still laying up.
That was the worst debate in part of my take history.

Speaker 6 For the listeners who weren't here from the start, how did you decide to start PMT? Lamar to Atlanta, GoFalcan.

Speaker 1 Oh, good question.

Speaker 1 We're actually telling this story. Oh, we were telling it at Kurt Goldsbury's class.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Goldsbury's class.

Speaker 1 PFT and I met online.

Speaker 1 We basically.

Speaker 5 Tinder.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, like, we have farmers only.

Speaker 1 No, but we met online in 2014.

Speaker 1 And then 2015, we finally met. Or no, 2014, we met.
He was in Chicago for a wedding, grabbed a beer.

Speaker 1 We liked each other. We liked each other's vibe.

Speaker 1 We only did groping, no fucking at that time.

Speaker 1 I took him back to my place.

Speaker 5 There should be an app like Grindr, but just for dudes that want to meet another dude to start a podcast with. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, we actually, in early internet days, PFT and I would get tagged in tweets being like...

Speaker 1 I would get tagged in tweets being like, you stole this from PFT. PFT would get in tagging tweets, you stole this from Big Cat.
And then we sat down. I remember it vividly.

Speaker 1 We sat down for a beer in Chicago and we were like just kind of meeting each other, talking back and forth and we both were we both had the the same thought that it would be funny to claim that Cal Ripken did steroids just to ruin everybody's childhood we were like you know it would be great and we like said it at the same time it was basically like step brothers like did we just become best friends because we want to claim that Cal Ripken did steroids I think we also had the take that uh when Ragnar, the unofficial mascot of the Vikings, the guy that used to drive out on the motorcycle,

Speaker 5 he held out from the team and wanted like $10 million.

Speaker 1 It was like a a 30-year contract for like $10 million.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and we were like, you got to pay him. You got to pay Ragnar.

Speaker 1 That's a guy you need around.

Speaker 1 But then Chernin bought Barstool, and the first person I thought of was like PFT. So I told Dave, he's like, we've got to hire this guy.
And we were like, let's do a podcast.

Speaker 1 Funny little wrinkle that doesn't get talked about. Hank was actually thinking about going back to school when I told him, hey, I want to do this podcast with this guy, PFT.
I want you to produce.

Speaker 5 He was actually going to go back to school to become a doctor. So who knows how many Duke? Who knows how many lives we've saved by preventing Hank from entering the medical profession.

Speaker 1 Yes, but Hank legitimately, I remember it very well because he was on the Dixie tour and

Speaker 1 he was kind of like, I don't know what I'm doing with my life. He's having a little like midlife quarterlife crisis.
And I was like, just hold on, dude.

Speaker 1 This guy's about to buy barstool and I really want to do this podcast with PFT and I think you should produce it. And the rest is history.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I told several people when I was making that move who are in the business, I let them know and they responded with saying, this is the worst career move of your life that you can make.

Speaker 1 Don't do this.

Speaker 5 I'd like to tell those people to suck my dick.

Speaker 1 Yeah. From the back.
Disrespectful. From the back.

Speaker 6 One, please do a master's preview.

Speaker 1 You're welcome. Nope.
Done.

Speaker 1 Two.

Speaker 6 How long does it take to produce an episode from prep to recording to editing to release?

Speaker 1 And three, I think I ever got the lottery ball.

Speaker 5 Well, we sit down, let's just take like a

Speaker 5 random Tuesday show. We'll sit down like this one, and right after the game was over, Big Cat and I went up to the hotel room and we wrote for about three hours and

Speaker 5 we came up with this great script. Max has been taking acting classes as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he tends to be mad.

Speaker 5 He's doing a great job pretending to be Max. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So there's a lot of actors.

Speaker 1 He's a crisis actor.

Speaker 5 There's a ton of prep that goes on.

Speaker 1 He's bad prep for sad sports fans.

Speaker 5 We actually, yeah, we found him at NYU.

Speaker 1 He was in acting school.

Speaker 5 And we were like, this guy, he just seems like a Philly guy. So let's see if we can make that role work.

Speaker 5 So yeah, we just script everything out and then we record it and then they edit it, CGI.

Speaker 1 No, they just press a button.

Speaker 5 It takes two seconds. Big Cat's mustache is CGI'd into every episode.
No, honestly, the show,

Speaker 5 it's tough to say like it writes stuff. We don't really do that much prep anymore for the show.

Speaker 5 During NFL Sundays, we'll do prep because there's so many games that we have to go back and pull stats from and we'll write the boomers and all that shit uh but for the most part it's we know what we're going to talk about pull together some research it doesn't have to be true um and then we'll just go from there yeah we're very lucky because people

Speaker 1 somehow enjoy us talking about sports and uh we don't yeah there's not a lot of prep anymore it's like basically the prep happens like passively like watching games our license prep.

Speaker 5 Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Watching games, like, you know, following stories. But yeah, we don't write anything out.
We'll have just like

Speaker 1 the only thing, really the only thing we do outside of, you know, the boomers, like, sometimes we'll sit down and I'll just say to PFT right before we record, like, let's do the games in chronological order.

Speaker 1 Or, like, let's talk about this first. Well, that's about it.

Speaker 5 Also, Hank spends about like an hour before each episode just copying and pasting Tom Fernelli's Twitter feed

Speaker 5 into a Google Doc so that he can just read those out verbatim.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I would actually like to hear from you, Max. How long does it take to edit? Because we don't know.

Speaker 6 It depends on how long the episode is.

Speaker 6 If it's an hour episode, it'll probably take two hours from when we stop to when we start to release it, like really release it on the back end.

Speaker 1 That's why Hank has always told us that we need to do

Speaker 1 for the longest time when Hank was producing the show and editing the show, he's like, let's try to do it faster. Correct.

Speaker 1 It's about like double the time of whatever, how long we record.

Speaker 5 Got it.

Speaker 6 That's just for audio. I only do audio.
We have another guy, Evan.

Speaker 1 He does the YouTube show. Shout out to Evan.
He's audio. Shout out to Evan.

Speaker 6 It probably takes him about three hours because there's just more that goes into the video editing aspect.

Speaker 1 But great addition because now we get YouTube up in the morning, which I know a lot of people love watching.

Speaker 6 And memes does most of the clips.

Speaker 5 Billy spends negative time preparing for the show.

Speaker 7 He'll prepare for the show as he's doing the show.

Speaker 1 He gets younger when he walks out of the studio.

Speaker 5 Yeah, there's a painting of Billy hanging up in some attic somewhere.

Speaker 1 He's that planet in Interstellar where he ages in reverse. Or maybe it was the aged faster.
But either way, yeah.

Speaker 5 But sorry, when Memes gets to it, what does Memes do?

Speaker 6 Memes just does most of the clips, so a whole, I don't know, an hour.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we are. An hour and a half.
We're very, very lucky because, like I said, we get to talk about the shit that we like to talk about, sports all the time, and people like to listen to us.

Speaker 1 And we're also very lucky because we have an awesome team like Max, Memes, Shane, Evan. They work really hard behind the scenes.
They make sure that PM TV's up. They make sure we look good.

Speaker 1 So, yeah,

Speaker 1 it's crazy to think because it used to be just me, PFT, and Hank. And because we've been successful, we've been able to add people and it's been awesome.
And we love being on the road together.

Speaker 1 We had a great drive, three-hour drive, just talking, shop, making jokes. A lot of snacks on the road.
I will say that. What did you say?

Speaker 6 A lot longer to edit on the road.

Speaker 1 The road is not the easiest part of our job, but we can't complain.

Speaker 6 This is the last one.

Speaker 6 Does moving to Chicago make Hank think he gets a better chance at the lottery ball?

Speaker 1 Hank is threatened to throw the lottery ball machine out.

Speaker 1 He keeps mumbling, like, I better get it before we move to Chicago.

Speaker 1 I think that's just solely because he is just like, you know, nine-plus million new people

Speaker 1 in the city, in Chicagoland, that can be like, hey, Hank, have you ever gotten it? That alone scares the shit out of him.

Speaker 5 If we let Hank get his hands on the lottery bowl machine,

Speaker 5 he's going to drive to Chicago with it, and then he's going to dump it into the Chicago River like Dave Matthews bands with all their shit onto a boat full of tourists.

Speaker 1 Yes. No, we,

Speaker 1 I am, I'm going to buy, once Hank gets it, I think for the new office, I'm going to buy a bigger one, Like the one that you actually see

Speaker 1 on the nightly news when they do the lotto numbers. And like, I want it to be like the central point of our new studio where it's like, see this.

Speaker 1 And then the beauty of it is Hank had never gotten on the new one. So we start afresh.

Speaker 5 I think if Hank doesn't get it by the time, by the end of next football season, he should have to get the lottery ball machine tattooed on his body.

Speaker 1 Agreed. Agreed.
And

Speaker 1 he just texted me because he's listening. He said, yep, I'll do it.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 5 If Hank does not reply to the part of my take tweet announcing that the show is out within four hours,

Speaker 5 he consents to getting the Laudo Bow machine tattooed on his body. I like it.
Okay. I like it.
The ball is in your court, Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's do it, Hank.

Speaker 1 Is that it? That's it. Well, I guess, I don't know.

Speaker 5 Does he get it in this episode?

Speaker 1 Well, let's find out.

Speaker 5 Love you guys. Thank you for being my friends.

Speaker 1 Okay, numbers time. We've done these batches back-to-back.

Speaker 13 Oh, wait, what are these for?

Speaker 1 This is for Wednesday.

Speaker 1 This is for Wednesday's show. Oh, you're not going to be part of Wednesday's show.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I'm on vacation.

Speaker 1 No, he's going on vacation.

Speaker 4 But aren't we recording Tuesday morning?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but he's going on vacation Sunday. Oh.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, you can watch, though.

Speaker 1 Hank's not here. He's never gotten it, so it really doesn't change anything.

Speaker 1 Numbers.

Speaker 5 I'm going to go 17.

Speaker 1 18.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure if Hank. 6.

Speaker 5 And you know what?

Speaker 1 I'll split it with Hank. Okay.
He's not here, though. 99.
99.

Speaker 1 Evan. 66.
66. All right.
I'm going 6.

Speaker 1 What would you have guessed, Hank, even though you're not here?

Speaker 5 Come on vacation.

Speaker 1 13.

Speaker 1 Damn. 13.

Speaker 6 Eighth time. Tied for second.

Speaker 1 Damn, if you had picked 13, you would have won eight times.

Speaker 5 I'm not even here, so.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm just saying it to the I'm saying it out loud to the world.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hank wasn't allowed to pick a number because he didn't show up

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