FAU HC Dusty May, NBA With Kirk Goldsberry, MLB Opening Day + Fyre Fest Of The Week

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On today's Pardon My Take, we have a twofer for the people. We have Florida Atlantic head coach Dusty May getting ready for Saturday night's semifinal at the Final Four in Houston.
And then we have our good friend, Kirk Goldsberry on to talk a little NBA.

We're actually in his classroom right now.

We're at the university of Texas.

And we taught a class molding some young minds.

Yeah.

Scary thought,

scary thought.

And we have both them on the show.

Great,

great show.

We're going to talk a little baseball opening day,

a fire fest of the week. Hank is doing the shocker.
That's the Houston Cougars sign. He's doing the Houston Cougars sign.
Wrong team. But we are going to hang out with Dana tomorrow night.
We just actually solidified those plans. We're going to be doing this a lot tomorrow night.
Yes, yes. Hell yes.
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Today is Friday, March 31st And we got baseball, boys. Baseball's back.
Advanced stat, Christian Yelich is on pace to hit zero home runs this year. Love to hear it.
Fraud, no power in that guy. Love to hear it.
There's nothing better than opening day. It does feel like we've made it through winter, just seeing the boys of summer out there.
It also is very fun to do those stats. I think Aaron Judge at one point was on pace for 570 home runs.
That was cool. The Cubs are on pace for 162 wins.
The Phillies are on pace for zero wins. Yeah, you remember for about two hours when Aaron Judge was a Giant, and then in his first at-bat, he goes yard off the Giants? Yes.
That's a two-point swing yeah remember too i didn't billy say that because aaron judge deleted or he unfollowed the yankees it was a good negotiating yeah yeah yeah i remember that as well but yeah we so do you see how big those bases are they're huge they look bigger than spring training i'm gonna say it i'm legitimately excited for the new rules like, I think that this actually, there's been so much hand-wringing about how to fix baseball. I was reading an article that basically everyone who played in the WBC who had come from spring training was like, yeah, this feels like we're playing 10 hours.
Like, why wouldn't we have a clock? I'm excited. I think it's going to be awesome.
More stolen bases, more – I think there was – it was something – every single team stole more bases in spring training than last year, even though it was short in spring training. The shift, everything.
Like, I'm excited for baseball. The shift is cool.
And that might be because the Cubs won their first game. No, the shift – I think they actually listen to what baseball fans have been saying.
Yes. Which is even baseball – that's how you know that your game is boring as fuck.
When your most diehard fans are like this, I'm watching too much baseball. Yes.
You need to shorten it a little bit. So there was some initial controversy today.
I think it was a Red Sox player, right? First ever to be called out. He got called out because you have to step back into the box before eight seconds.
And then the umpire watches.

And if the pitcher gets the pitch off in time or whatever, boom, you're out.

Yeah.

It's fun.

It's fun.

It's fun.

Like watching these rules be implemented and watch players like freak out for the first

time.

But overall, I think that what they've done is they've turned baseball into a game that

more people.

Congrats.

We did it.

We did it.

Through our Mike Greenberg's dumb rules.

We made baseball watchable again. Yeah.
But there's going to be games that are two hours and 20 minutes which is perfect time yep yeah ready to go and we will do a baseball preview at some point i it was kind of i don't want to take some awls to task but if you know we're a little backed up we just did our nba preview like a month ago we did our college

basketball preview in january we're gonna need a little bit of time to see how everything shakes

out before we do our preview we still haven't done our nhl preview have we no we did we did

that in december actually that we just did that so that this net would stop hitting us up yes but

we're gonna do it we'll do another nhl preview we will do an mlb preview my you want to say who are

world series champions yes san diego padres oh we are say who they're playing no I'm just saying I will do our World Series loser preview later okay I was I was going to pick the Mets but Verlander's already hurt yeah so the Mets are on pace to have every player injured this year um hmm the Rangers are at the top of the al west right now one and oh huh catbird seat you know what i'll say it this is the year i think the tempeh rays are gonna win it all okay they've been they've always been for the last what like 10 years 15 years they've been like knocking at the door where like they'll have a couple years where their advanced analytics will always work and they'll be the team that everyone's like, watch out for the Rays, and then they'll fall back down. I think they're coming back up this year.
I think the Cincinnati Reds. Yeah? Good, good, yeah.
I think they were my pick last year. The Cincinnati Reds are 0-1.
They lost to the Pittsburgh Pirates. O'Neal Cruz is a monster.
So you're already – Major comeback. Okay.
I do love how Cincinnati, like, for whatever reason, they party the hardest for opening day. Yeah, it's a big...
It's a parade and everything. That's exciting.
It's awesome. I mean, opening day is awesome.
Yeah. It really is.
Like, it does feel like we've made it. There's not a lot of day games on.
There wasn't a lot of games on ESPN. No, there were a lot of day games.
There wasn't... I did my strategy of, with all the rule changes, just blindly bet every over.
There was like nine games during the day. Not on ESPN.
I feel like in the past it was just the opening day was... Baseball, baseball, baseball, baseball.
Was the World Baseball Classic bad for baseball? Because now the regular season is going to pale in comparison to it. Baseball fatigue.
Yeah. I'm already out.
I'm out, Yeah. People are wondering.
Actually, I'm twitching. Angels.
Yeah. Angels.
I was about to say my loser of the World Series is going to be the Angels. Let's do losers.
Okay. Angels, Padres, Angels lose in a sweep.
Unless they bring back the rally monkey, in which case they win. Angels beat the Giants again.
Shades of, what was that, 2003? Social. Mike Socialism, yeah.
Okay. David Eckstein, I mean, that's your guy.
I'll do. Eckstein? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, David Eckstein. Hustle monster.
I'll do the Tampa Bay Rays beat the Philadelphia Phillies because, of course. Yeah, title time.
Yeah, of course. That would absolutely happen.
I actually am. I'm also very excited for the Cubs because I think they're going to be.
My line is sneaky, not bad. Sneaky, not bad is very close to good.
Yeah, sneaky, not bad. At least you got young guys you can root for.
Yes, exactly. Like you're building something.
Do I have to? I signed some guys, Mancini, Swanson. It's sneaky, not bad.
Do I have to pick a Chicago Cubs or White Sox since I'll be out there this summer? Well, just look into White Sox Dave's eyes and then you can pick. They're your Sox brethren.
That's true. You have to go double Sox, right? That's true.
Keep those feet warm. By the way, I think Trey Mancini is like the universally most loved guy in all of baseball.
Because remember, didn't he beat cancer? He did. Yeah.
And he then went to... Like he's the only guy who's ever gone to the Astros and people didn't hate him.
Yeah. Think about that.
That's really hard to do. He's a really good feel-good story.
Yeah, right. He dominated cancer.
Can you – like, everyone hates the Astros. Everyone on the Astros.
Yeah. And he is somehow not hated.
Shohei Ohtani, not hated. Yeah, although I think there's some people who are like he should be a yankee yeah he's just he's hated he's a yankee yeah you remember when he made his debut for the angels it was in spring training and uh mike francesa was like yes yankees dodged a bullet by not getting this guy to talk about this guy like he's babe ruth yeah they're not even gonna put him on the roster yeah babe ruth would have been cleaning his job his jocks great call yeah baseball let's have some fun with baseball it's just good you know what baseball is great for especially this time of year is just walking past a TV and seeing a sport on a live sport in the middle of the day a live sports on a TV that I walk past I'm in makes me feel good usually it's like opening then you you kind of hit a low where you're like oh shit there's 162 of these and then like june rolls around you're like no this is fun plus those bases man i'm telling you they're huge things are fucking fucking huge um all right what else we have going on oh we have a tweet that hank has to address yes hank we do it's more than just a tweet it's it like a culture that you have to address.
Yeah, so Asante Samuel tweeted out of the clouds. Like, really, I don't know what he's even doing these days.
Is he on a show anywhere? He's being a dad. He's being a dad.
He's the most important job of all. He said, Lamar Jackson, my brother, trust me, you don't want to play for Belichick out of nowhere.
He's a defensive player.

I don't really know how that's relevant.

Belichick's a defensive coach.

I thought you had something better than that.

No, I just think it's like, I don't know.

I think a guy like Tom Brady, Hoyer, maybe a quarterback.

A quarterback says something like that and maybe holds some more weight,

but a defensive player talking to a quarterback,

they're not even in the same position rooms.

No, he's just saying he knows how Belichick is and he knows Lamar you wouldn't want to play for this guy does he know lamar wait maybe i also he called him his brother sounds like he's got he's just a little i mean again belichick's known related for cutting players when you know the second they're on their decline well samuel has experienced two separate cultures he's experienced the patriots and then he's experienced a winning culture on the Eagles. And he just knows that you don't want to play for the Patriots.
What is his beef, though? Because I just went to his Twitter page, and the tweet before that is a retweet where Brandon Marshall was calling him out saying, how dare you, Asante Samuel? How dare you, Shady McCoy? How dare you say, Bill Belichick ain't that guy? What is the beef? He probably got cut. Yeah.
It was very weird out of nowhere. I mean, it kind of didn't make much sense.
It has to make you stop for a second. There's got to be something else to the story.
There's something deeper there, yeah. Yeah.
We got to figure out what that is. Maybe it's – He held out in 2007 and there was a free a free agency departure i mean i think he's the classic guy where it's like they they cut him they weren't going to pay him they cut him and then so that seems extremely relevant to me maybe on the eve of a big payday he tried to strong or he tried to hold out maximize his value sounds like that's exactly what lamar is going through right now yeah what was the who's the guy who picked off uh russell wil? No.
Malcolm Butler. Malcolm Butler.
He also was on that. He might be because of that.
Sante Samuel is David Tyree catch. Yeah.
But no, I'm saying Malcolm Butler. He could have.
Malcolm Butler got put. Remember, he didn't play in that game the next year.
So maybe he treats players bad. I don't know.
It seems weird does it seems it seemed out of nowhere hank you seem like you're you're very delusional about anything related to the patriots right now no that's not me i'm i'm thinking i'm very level-headed with the patriots always have been uh longest odds they've ever had in the bill belichick era era since the first year i think yeah it's gonna be a fun season we're not gonna get lamar unfortunately It doesn't seem that way. Why not? It just doesn't seem like Belichick wants him.
Because, it's going to be a fun season. We're not going to get Lamar, unfortunately.

It doesn't seem that way.

Why not?

It just doesn't seem like Belichick wants him.

I just don't think Belichick wants him.

Which is crazy because it'd be so fun.

So fun.

I would love to watch and see what they did.

All I know is I'm all in on both Anthony Richardson and Will Levis.

Yeah, so Anthony Richardson had his pro day today.

And he was lighting it up.

He's an absolute athletic freak.

I think it's he would he chart higher than any quarterback ever right yeah it's basically he's basically cam newton yeah better like he's better he's better more athletic once a generation talent it's cam newton with regular captions on instagram yeah yeah well yeah he speaks english and also no Heisman or national title. But that's college.
This is the pro game. No, no, but Anthony Richardson didn't do what Cam Newton did in college.
Right. What, steal a laptop? That's the past.
Yeah, that's it. We're focused on, you know.
Right. In the present day, Anthony Richardson.
Is better than Cam Newton right now? I'd probably agree. When they were both this age.
Whatever age they were, yeah. Okay, so when Cam Newton was the number one pick in the draft and won a national title and a Heisman.
And beat Alabama. With a team that had no offensive NFL talent.
So now Anthony Richardson is better than that guy. That SEC wasn't the same as today's SEC.
Oh, no. It's much harder to win in today's SEC.
Okay. All I know is I've seen enough from both those guys.
If you can throw a football off of a roof, I'm in. Dude, he was sitting down, not on his knees, sitting down throwing 30 yards.
Okay, I'm in. Yeah.
Like, it was insane. How do you not take him number one? What would happen in a game? It has nothing to do with your bet.
No. What would happen in a game if a quarterback hit the roof of a dome with a pass? I guess what – In Jerry's world.

Yeah, in Jerry's world, don't the punts –

It hit the scoreboard.

They have to re-punt, right?

Can you – does that wind time off the clock when you do that?

I don't know.

Now you found a loophole.

I think I found a wrinkle in time, yeah.

Aren't the Titans getting a new stadium?

Yeah.

Maybe they build it specifically to erase time.

Yeah, it's funny because I think Will Levis, he's obviously like –

he's way stronger than he was a couple months ago.

They did the before and after pictures of Will Levis.

I think that's Will Levis. he is a friend of the program i'm rooting for anthony richardson too because he seems like if he could put it all together he'd be electric yeah i did have a dream the other night which is terrible to say admit that like these are the dreams i'm having cj stroud to the 49 to the 49ers.
Oh, imagine him and Kyle. That was my dream.
Yeah. It was crazy.
I just had C.J. Stroud in a 49ers uniform.
I don't know how it happens. Yeah.
Someone figure out how they can move up with – I don't think they have a first-round pick. No, they definitely don't, right? They don't, but they got a bunch of third-round picks.
Okay, so that's how it happens. They bundle their thirds.
How many third-round picks equals a first-round pick? We got to do our own draft value chart. 15? 15 third-rounders equals a first pick? I'd say a dozen.
Baker's dozen. 13.
First pick in the draft. Yeah.
That would actually rule if someone was, like, traded for an entire round of the draft. You would be able to build a hell of a football team out of only third-round pick.
Yeah. I've got major respect for the whole Patriots organization.
Being drafted to that team helped me be a better player and a better man, and for that I'll be forever grateful. Who's that? Asante Samuel.
When? After he retired. Oh.
Was he still owed money? No, that's what it was. He held out before the 2007 season.
He went all pro, and then he signed with the Eagles, and he was mad. He said the Patriots offered him half as much as what he should have been getting.
So don't hate the player, hate the game. Yeah, he's bitter.
Dolchek's playing the game correctly. Yeah, but it sounds like Lamar wouldn't want a situation where your coach is denying you money.
That's exactly what Lamar's leaving right now. That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, I mean, I thought the only way that it would work is where Lamar was kind of just going to do a fuck you to everyone else and prove it with the Patriots, and then, I don't know. It never really made sense other than just like it'd be sick if we got Lamar.
It would be sick. Yeah.
But like in the world of, yeah, I just want to win. I'm just going to win to prove it all wrong.
It's kind of sucked to be Matt Jonesones like even your car insurance rates are through the roof yep a lot of points yeah you don't think it sucks to be mac jones i don't to have mac jones is a good quarterback if you can get an all pro quarterback i guess that's not an offensive coordinator it doesn't suck as much yeah but you still have the threat you've got a looming zappy over your yeah it's more like i feel bad i'm not saying like he sucks i'm saying it's got to suck to know that even like robert craft being like meek mill texted me let's get lamar that's gotta suck yeah knowing that your boss is texting with meek mill trying to get you fired that has that sucks it's a business they know okay blinders on um all right we're gonna talk some let's talk some final four before we do that just for men one day beard and brow color is the first temporary brush in washout color from just for men the beard color experts it's a breakthrough dye free formula easily and instantly eliminates grays with natural looking temporary colors fills in the thin patchy areas and defines your beard for a thicker fuller look now any guy can easily transform their look anytime you want your beard to look its best for interviews dates going out to bars meetings parties weddings events podium moments profile photos or your big podcast isn't just for ears anymore that's us check us out on youtube just brush. Just brush in lightly.
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Okay. Let's, let's figure out this, this ticket thing thing right now and we'll talk a little final four do you fun fact about the final four um if jim laranega wins the championship he will be the oldest coach in any sport to win a title that's wild wild wait now we're counting all college sports college yeah college football.
College football, basketball, and the four major pro sports.

That is wild.

And he would do it, I think he would be a month older than Dusty Baker was in October.

So Dusty Baker's actually...

So Dusty gets like six months of being the oldest.

Dusty Baker is older than Jim Laranega, but Dusty Baker was like 73 in five months when he won the World Series. Jim Laranega would be 73 in six months when he wins, if he wins the title.
I like it. I mean, I feel like Miami is kind of becoming a trendy pick right now just because people don't want to see UConn win because it's the final four of underdogs.
So you have which one of these underdogs is the most likely to win. And you'd probably say whoever wins the UConn-Miami game is going to be heavily favored to win the championship, right? Yes.
So hypothetically, whose line is it anyway? Miami against FAU. I don't think it would be that big of a – What, three and a half? Yeah, I think it would be like two, three.
I don't think it would be that significant. UConn, if Un if UConn like kills Miami they will be a significant favorite in the championship game but yeah I listen I want UConn to win because of my future but I am scared to death of Miami I don't think I there's two ways that this game is going to go and I'm hoping that Dan Hurley does the fun way because UConn,

basically they have a lineup that I think could defensively stop Miami, but that lineup won't be as explosive offensively.

I'm hoping he's like, fuck it.

Let's just go shot for shot.

Yeah.

You know what we really need?

America needs Miami's super rich boosters to step up to the plate right now.

Danny Boy Kane.

Danny Boy Kane.

Dave Portnoy.

Dave Portnoy. All the lawyers.
Yep. All the drug dealers get together and put a bounty on this game.
Put like, tell the kids, you know, they created like an NIL company in Miami that does not actually... Life wallet.
They don't actually have a product down there. They're just like, if you come to Miami, we're going to pay you money.
That's how it should be. So they created that.
They need to step up to the plate and all donate like tens of millions of dollars to split up as a bounty if this Hurricanes team wins the national championship. Put like some serious, serious money on the line.
Motivate the hell out of it. That's the only way that I see it happening, actually.
Because other than that, I feel like we're in store for two UConn blowouts back to back. I would be fine with that.
If I get – all I really need out of this Final Four is just one close game. One classic.
One classic game. We got three chances at it.
Give me one classic. I think all of the games are going to be close.
I honestly do. Maybe not the championship game, but I think Saturday night we're going to have two competitive close games.
I really do. I don't think FAU and San Diego State either team is that much better than the other team in Miami like Miami what if they just keep making all their shots yeah then then you can't beat them it could happen yeah um all right so how should we decide who's gonna sit in the last row in the stadium hmm do we do odds do odds and evens? We could do a random number generator and the person who's furthest away from it.
Okay. One through 100.
You want to do that? Well, no, because then we'll all pick. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. We're not good at math.
Yeah, we're in a business school right now. I think we go odds and evens, right? Everyone comes, memes and max, come over here.
You go one, two, three, shoot. You throw a one or a two, and we keep shooting until one person has it by themselves.
All right. Okay, here we go.
So this is going to be for the San Diego State FAU game. One person will buy tickets thanks to game time so that they can come down in the second game.
be for the San Diego State FAU game one person will buy tickets thanks to game time

so that they can come down in the

second game but for

the first game they're going to have to sit

one single ticket

last row in the stadium. Max is already

defeated. You throw a one or

two it's very easy. You just do a one two three shoot

you throw a one or two. You can throw a three or four too.

No you can't throw a three or four. Max looks like a four year old

right now on the ground in kindergarten. Ons or evens? Oh I guess we could do that yeah.
You can throw a three or four, too. No, you can't throw a three or four.
Max looks like a four-year-old right now on the ground in kindergarten.

Ons or evens.

Oh, I guess we could do that.

Yeah.

You want to do that?

No, no, no.

All right.

All right.

One, two, three, shoot.

One, two, three, shoot.

Do you want to do a practice round?

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

This is great.

Everyone should be watching the YouTube.

All right.

This is a practice.

No, this is not a practice.

You just said no.

Okay.

Yeah, no, I know.

Let's do one

practice everyone throws zero one two three shoot okay all right so i would be out because i threw

one yes yes all right here we go i got it one two three shoot all right we gotta go again we gotta

keep rapid fire one two three shoot one two three shoot terrible podcasting one two three shoot

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Terrible podcasting. One, two, three, shoot.
Damn it! Oh, big cat. Oh, fuck! All right.
Another loss. See you in the back row, buddy.
All right, so San Diego State FAU, I'll be sitting in the back row of NRG Stadium. I'm excited.
I actually – have I – oh, no, in Jerry's world, we went to Alabama, Wisconsin, and I almost had a heart attack climbing up those stairs. Might have been from extra-curriculars.
But, yeah, that was – yeah, so I'll be all the way up at the top for the first game. I can't wait.
You get to see the whole court from up top. Our bus almost died from gas.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, the cops came over and they're like, is this your bus? We're like, yeah.
They're like, you're like five minutes away from blowing up everyone around you. I was like, okay, cool.
You're going to have the all-10 angle. Shout out game time.
Going to get great seats. Great seats.
I'll come down and join you guys for Miami-UConn. Yeah, this will be fun.
I'm excited. Tweet out the picture, just being like, hey, look how far away I am.
Everyone's like, nice seats, nice seats, bro. All right, anything else before we get to our interviews? I saw that Celtics beat the Bucs by 40.
They did, and we're about to talk to Kirk Goldsberry, and while we were talking to him, they were playing, and he's like, I like the Bucs if they match up against Celtics. They match the celtics are on fire now right they beat the bucks by a whole lot they probably blew the doors off the the wizards when they played no they lost the wizards by 20 that was a tough loss uh really made the getting the one seat a lot harder zards played tough celtics were never in it i don't really know what happened there i think think the Bucs are doing some load management.
I don't think so.

Yeah, I think they might have just lost.

I think they might have just lost.

They're coming off a back-to-back.

That's what Bucs fans will say.

Celtics were coming off back-to-back, I think, against the Warriors.

We had a hilarious double.

No, they weren't.

Almost a double ejection last night where Kyrie.

Pretty much a back-to-back.

Pretty much. Kyrie and Russell Westbrook in separate games tried to kick fans out of the arena.
Just so soft. They're dictators.
The Mavs are fucking a joke. They're a disaster.
Yeah. They couldn't even beat the Sixers.
The one guy got kicked out by Westbrook because he called him Westbrook, which is apparently you can't say that to him anymore. That said the W word.
Yeah, you can't say that. Got kicked out, but then he got kicked in after they determined.
You didn't tell him that he sucked or anything. You didn't cuss at him.
You called him Westbrook. Yeah, we're sending you back to your seats, which I like.
Yes. I agree with that.
You shouldn't swear at players. You shouldn't say anything vulgar to them or threaten them.
But you can call him Westbrook.

You can call him Westbrook.

Yeah.

Also, Pat Bev got too small by Austin Reeves.

Yeah.

Who, Austin Reeves, is very good.

He's a great player.

But it really hurt because LeBron was like, you go do that.

I'm not.

I'm above this.

He had his henchmen take care of it.

Yeah. That's light work for him.

Yeah.

He doesn't want to get his hands dirty.

That sucked.

That sucked.

The NFL is apparently exploring an international division in football,

like an entire division.

So expanding.

This was discussed at the owner's meeting, apparently.

So everyone's been thinking London's going to get at least one team.

Germany might get at least one team.

And they're looking at maybe Mexico City.

I don't know.

I don't know if it's going to be a European division or what.

That would be wild. But a full division that's just international teams.
So the Jaguars are going to London finally? They might be. They might be moving over there.
There are two stadiums in London right now that are ready for NFL teams. Tottenham.
And then I think what's the other? The O2. No, Wembley, which might be Tottenham.
Yeah. I'm going to have to fact check that one.
No, Wembley is not Tottenham. But I like the idea of having international rivalries.
Yes. Like, I think if they – Where'd Queen play? Queen? Wembley.
Wembley, yeah. Well, she's – The Queen? She's not playing anywhere now.
Queen. Six feet under.
Queen. But it'd be good to have, like, England versus Ireland in a rivalry.
It's just another move by the NFL to just own every hour of our lives. Yeah.
Because we will just be watching NFL football at 6 a.m., at 8 a.m., just constant. Can you imagine an Italian team? I would love an Italian team.
Italian team would be great. Yeah.
Maybe we could actually get NFL rigged. Oh, yeah.
They do like to rig games there oh yeah there's a team in sicily yeah let's do it oh we're the tightest pants i'm in i'm in um all right should we get to our interviews let's do it oh one last thing uh in hilarious uh politicians trying to talk about sports eric adams today was on the yankees broadcast and he called it yankee park that's good i love that i always love it when there was like some some politician from uh massachusetts that tried to pronounce monino yeah yeah hondo just just a couple guys talking ball okay called the called kj and rondo kj and hondo it didn't what it was ted cruz called it a basket goal no goal basketball rim or basketball hoop he call it? I think he called it a goal. Throw it through the goal? Yeah, or something like that.
It's just always great. DeMar Hamlin met with Biden today.
Two guys that have been accused of being dead. Mm-hmm.
That one plays. I think that one flew.
Yeah, that one definitely flew. What else? That's about it.
Yeah. Yeah, we're excited to be in Houston.
Trump got indicted. Yeah.
Fucked a porn star. And that's our politics update.
Yeah. Come see us.
We'll be at Kirby's Ice House in Houston on Friday and Saturday. Five to seven local Friday.
One to three local Saturday. So it should be great.
Yeah. A lot of times on math.
All right. let's get to it.
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Here he is, Dusty May. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.
It is head coach of the Florida Atlantic Owls, headed to the final four, Dusty May. Coach, thank you for joining us.
Appreciate it. I think we met in Columbus.
I don't know. You were staying at our team hotel, or we were staying at the team hotel, and I want to start by saying if we did meet, I apologize because I'm pretty sure I walked through the lobby after your win against Memphis just saying that wasn't a jump ball, guys.
That wasn't a jump ball. We got lucky.
We got lucky. So yeah, apologies for that if I ruined the moment at all.
No worries. Actually, I didn't meet any of you guys.
I went through quickly, got out of the way. But our players and I have three sons.
I have three sons, 21, 19, and 17. And they recognized everyone.
So, I think they're spending too much time on Barstool Sports. Yeah, that's probably true.
So, let's start with there, though, because this run has been incredible. And with seven seconds left in the first round, it could have been over.
Have you had a moment to think, like, holy shit, that was quite the sliding doors moment of my career, of FAU's, you know, trajectory? Like, has that set in? Like, we were on the edge there. We were about to be done.
Yeah, it seems big run when you look at national champions you look at final four participants usually out of their first four or five games they had one really scary moment where I even remember coach Donovan at Florida got over the hump he had been knocked out the first weekend maybe four or five straight times and then Mike Miller Butler missed a free throw from a 90% shooter and Mike Miller hits a floater at the, and the rest is history. So it seems like every champion or Final Four participant has some type of storyline similar.
So fortunately for us, we didn't have to bank in an 80-footer or anything like that. Our guy made a good play at the rim.
And even I thought that the timeout call was a little bit overblown because there was a stop and play a couple minutes prior that we had a three-pointer waved off, and didn't score in that possession. So I think it's just when you lose, those plays stand out a lot more than the winning team having similar bad luck.
Yeah, might be a team of destiny. I'd like to give you the opportunity to make your case for Florida Atlantic as being America's team or America's sweetheart in this final four, because I think we're all searching out there.
There's a lot of underdogs. It would be one thing if it was, you know, ones and two seeds and then you guys, but there's a lot of underdogs out there.
So why is FAU America's team? Well, we have a fun style of play to watch. I think from day one, we've wanted to be entertaining.
You're in Boca Raton, Florida. You need to do something other than just win and just play the game to get people into a gymnasium when it's 80 degrees and clear skies out.
So we wanted to have an entertaining brand of play. And fortunately, we had some guys buy into it.
And then on the other end, we've got some pit bulls that compete every possession. So I believe we're top 25 in the country in offensive metrics, efficiency, and the same with defensively.
So we play both sides of the ball. We're very unselfish and we're a throwback team because we have a different best player almost every single game.
And you guys are physical. I saw you push back.
Some people maybe in the lamestream media, ESPN, saying that you guys aren't physical. You guys went and beat a very physical Memphis team, a very physical Tennessee team.
Why are people saying you guys are soft? Let's change that right now. You guys are physical.
It's a great question. I think we're 330th in the country in height and we're top 25 in defensive rebounding percentage.
So it's difficult to be soft and do that, but I don't know. And especially when you, you, you watch our league UAB, man, they've got a high major, big, strong physical group.
I think you guys have seen them in your event. And then North Texas is the same way.
So we've seen these types of teams in our league. Obviously, you still have to go out and put in the work, but we're confident we can play any style and figure out a way to win or at least be in position to win.
Yeah, Conference USA is going for the Triple Crown. You guys are – you've got two teams left in the NIT.
You won the CBI, and you guys are in the Final Four. So it's obviously a very good league.

Absolutely. And it's the best it's been since Derrick Rose and Calipari were in Memphis as far as numbers.
And, you know, you look top to bottom, there's some really good teams in our

league that didn't make postseason. Yeah, yeah.
You said before the Tennessee game,

and we are a big rugby podcast over here, that you're going to have to start watching some rugby to get ready for Tennessee's style of play. Did you actually watch any rugby? A few clips.
Actually, I don't even know. I'd seen on Twitter that there was a big – people were complaining about Tennessee's physicality, and I had no idea what exactly it was.
But, you know, social media skews our minds anyway. So immediately after the game, they asked what I knew about Tennessee and I was more embarrassed that I confused Australian rules, football and rugby and combined the sport.
So I was embarrassed by that. But no, I said it as a joke and just, and if you said our team plays like a rugby team, I'd say, I'd say, hell yeah.
Yeah. I love it.
Yeah. It was funny.
Cause when you said that my initial reaction was one coach knows ball rugby is a very important sport globally two it's interesting because it almost reminded me of something that phil jackson used to say or how he would you know treat the refs in the media he'd send a message through the media by you saying that you're like hey you better call it fair next game no more forearms no more elbows nothing like that i thought that was a good piece of coaching on your part well Well, hopefully it helped maybe one possession, but that wasn't why I said it. I was trying to be funny, and sometimes when you're not that funny and you try, you get the backlash.
Yeah. So sticking with your run, we were in Dayton.
We fell in love with Fairleigh Dickinson. Dave actually called his shot.
He said they're going to beat Purdue. And we had the theory that they were actually too short to play basketball.
Did you notice that at all? Where it's like their lack of height was actually kind of shocking and how much speed they had. Because that was a tight game.
They gave you everything. Yeah, well, going back to the Purdue game, as soon as we saw them play Texas Southern, we said, man, this is going to be a tough matchup for Purdue.
Now, we didn't call the win, and obviously Dave, he was out ahead of that one. But we did think that if things didn't go well for Purdue, then they could pull the upset.
In the first couple possessions, the big fella missed a couple hooks in close, and then Purdue's three-point shooters looked out of rhythm. from the first couple of minutes, it looked like it was going to be a scary game for Purdue.

And then when we played them, I was blown away at their team speed. And then they just found

the rhythm at the right time. I, you know, after playing them and then playing the way they did,

I was, I was like, how did this team lose 15, 16 games or whatever? But then they, you know,

they had a couple of guys who were 30% shooters or 20% shooters have started making three or four

threes a game. And the heck that could be enough on, on, on a given night.
Yeah. Are you, were you, were you a little happy that Purdue went down? Cause you're a Hoosier.
Oh, I didn't, I was just happy that, uh, well, I was, I was shocked. I said, the staff and I were talking about, we'd said, we're going to be a double digit favorite to go to the sweet 16.
So it was just kind of a joke, but we knew how difficult the game was going to be. Yeah.
It's funny. After the game was over, we went back to the hotel and you guys were getting in.
And Dave went up to every player on your team. He was like, nobody believed in us.
He thought that you guys were FDU. Yeah.
Well, I don't think very many people picked us to beat Memphis either. I thought they were terribly underseeded.
I thought they were a really good team, especially the last month of the season. They were probably a top five or 10 team in the country after drilling Houston in the AAC championship.
So he probably said that, and I doubt anyone in our travel party at that time even noticed. Yeah, Big Cat brought up the Indiana connection.
I was wondering, we were talking about this on Monday's show, you came up, you were a student manager with Bobby Knight when he was the coach of the team. Did he give you any tips or is there anything that you've incorporated into your coaching philosophy and coaching style that you got from Bobby Knight? Any chair throwing, things like that? No, I try not to throw any chairs.
But yeah, there's not a day that goes by that I don't use something that I learned from Coach Knight. I don't think people realize how far ahead of his time he was as far as teaching, communicating, efficiency of his words, efficiency of the English language.
But he also used analytics that we use now that at the time, you know, he's talking about the percentage of defensive rebounds and these types of things. And now they're considered the analytics movement.
Well, he was using a lot of that stuff back in the day. So I just think in so many areas, he was ahead of his time.
He was an unbelievable teacher and just things were a lot different then than they are now. That's interesting.
They said efficiency of language is my new favorite. Like that? Yeah.
No, is there anything like that? It's really interesting because like, obviously we can see where that would take us with his fiery personality. But also at the same time, I have to imagine that as a coach, sometimes less can be more.
You don't want to overdo it with information that you're passing along with, you know, when a simpler concept might work. Is that fair? Two side notes.
Number one, I was probably a sophomore manager and I was in charge of stats and he asked for a score. There's three teams playing.
And as a 19 year old, you said, Hey, red has three gray has this. And he says, gee, many, blah, blah, blah, red to gray, five white one.
And at that point I said, you know what? I was just mumbling and rambling to say that I was given way too many details or way too much information. And then the other one coach and I used to say the word, the F word could be used as a noun, verb, adjective.
So I guess that may be part of the efficiency of the English or the use of the English language. Yeah.
So the ball has been a big point of contention in this tournament. Have your guys complained about it? Do they, do they feel different shooting this ball? We got to get to the bottom of the ball.
Well, it's a brand-new ball, and I don't think there's a ball made that you can pull out of a box, air it up to its maximum, whatever it is, and then go out and balance it, and it feels like what you use every single day because you don't get a new ball every day. So hopefully these basketballs have been used a little bit and they're worn down because I think the newness is the biggest part, but it seems like we should have one universal ball for college basketball for every team to use.
And I know they use one ball for the NCAA tournament, but every game we go to, we have to practice a different, we have a closet full basketballs. We have to practice with a different one every week, depending on where we're playing.
So I would think it's time for all of us to come together. And even if we have to sacrifice a few thousand dollars into our overall budget to have one basketball for the betterment of the game.
Yeah. Why can't you guys just take all the balls that they're going to be using the final four and just practice with those all week? Well, we've accumulated several now.
And actually, we have the game balls from our games. And one of our players came in yesterday morning to shoot.
He said, Hey, can I use these? Cause we only have like two of the regular basketballs that we purchased. So I said, you know what? You could use these.
It doesn't matter. Just make sure you bring them back.
Cause they are the game balls from the FAU's first sweet 16 and the lead. Oh yeah.
Yeah. When, what about the stadium? Because the NRG stadium, this is a big thing.
We talk about you guys. I I'm sure you talk about it.
We talk about it for a different reason. Whenever you get into a football stadium and you're trying to shoot, has your team ever played? Well, you did play the Conference USA Championship.
Is it in Jerry's world or the practice facility? Yeah, it's in the practice facility. They curtain off half of the stadium, and there's two courts set up simultaneous.
And then so there's a curtain behind one side, and then they use the stands on the other. So it's a big open arena.
It's different. So we probably played in the closest thing to a true football stadium is anyone playing.
Yeah, yeah, because it definitely is an issue. I feel like every time we get to the Final Four.
Speaking of Conference USA, why is Jelly Walker the best player you've ever coached against? Because we love him. I'm a big Jelly Walker fan, but I'm not taking anything away from Marquise Noel.
Okay, okay. And the State guard, man.
These New York City guys, because usually the small dynamic guards, they really score and put a lot of pressure on your defense. But Noel, he might go get 30 and 20.
We felt like we did an unbelievable job on him, and he got 30 and 12. So go ahead.
Yeah, well, I was going to say, I thought that you watched the Michigan State game, and maybe I'm way off and I don't know ball, but I thought that part of your game plan was, let's let him shoot more. Let's give him more opportunities to shoot because we'll take a three-point shot from him instead of him throwing a perfect pass for an easy layup or dunk.
Was that part of your game plan with him? It was. We wanted to first take away as many of his assists as we could, and then we wanted him to take shots at the rim or the midrange.
We actually wanted – he's slightly more efficient from three than he is in the paint or from mid-range. But his shots around the three-point line are extremely efficient.
Fortunately, he takes some that are really, really deep that skews his numbers a little bit. But he's a special talent.
And for him to play 40 minutes the way he does, I don't know if we faced a better guard and I thought Kendrick Davis was sensational jelly walker Tyler Perry from North Texas was our league's player of the year and they play low possession and he puts up great numbers so we faced that we faced Antoine Davis who just came up shy of Pistol Pete's record yeah probably a who's who of dynamic guards this year and when you look the board, our guys have pretty much made them score officially almost every time we

played them.

Yeah.

Would you like to apologize to America for,

for knocking him out,

for knocking Noel out of the tournament?

Absolutely not.

Okay.

That's the,

that's the right answer.

That was a test.

How much of your recruiting technique is just like,

if you were to split it up between X percentage basketball stuff and and x percentage look at the beach here's the beach you're in you're in south florida isn't the beach cool well we obviously when they're on their official visits we go to the beach and we eat our meals on the beach and and we do our photo shoot on the beach and we on the beach on on the beach on the beach but then once they get here we condition a couple times on the beach and other than that we never go to the beach except we do tell them hey on Sundays if you enjoy the the ocean go hang out on the evenings after you've got you put in your work if you want to go hang out we even have a couple players that sometimes they'll go at 6 a.m and read and meditate we've got a serious group that's always looking for the best way for them. So we use it a little bit, but the thing we sell is the perfect weather all year, the blue skies, the quality of life.
You can wear shorts, you walk around campus and just how much better you feel when the sun is out 365 days out of the year. So we sell that part of it that you're going to have more energy.
You're going to feel better because of the natural beauty than you would going up to wherever, you know, who else is recruiting you. That's a good sales pitch.
So I read a story that when you signed with FAU, you had a moment of regret. And it's funny because we actually were talking to Danny Hurley on Monday's show, and he had a similar moment where he was like, what the hell is going on here? This is a mess.
So that moment you cried. Did you cry? Yeah.
You said moment of regret, maybe choke on my water. Um, I did.
And the media, we just had about a hundred media members and they asked me about it. They said, what would 2023 tell 2018 dusty mate? I'd say, tell him, stop being a big baby and stay the course and get to work.
So it was just, it was overwhelming. I was leaving complete and utter happiness.
And one thing in our business, I've tried not to ever chase anything other than happiness and professional fulfillment. So, but yeah, it was overwhelming at the time.
I was very impulsive, signing the contract, going too fast. And then when I saw everything, I was just overwhelmed in that moment.
But luckily my wife is tough. She's tough as an L.
She basically told me that, hey, this is a decision you made. There's nothing we can do now.
You might as well get to work. And by the next day I was in the trenches again.
Yeah. So you mentioned your son.
Have you given him some shit? Because he's a walk-on in Florida, right? Well, we gave him some stuff. We went up to Florida and beat those guys.
Yeah, but now his dad's going to the Final Four. I would assume you would have had a roster spot for him, and instead he didn't make the tournament.
Yeah, I have a middle son that's a walk-on at UCF. It was never an option for them to play for me.
Oh, okay. Yeah they're, they're calling me Ted Lasso.
And it's something that I've, I've evolved into being mild and cool, calm and collected because by nature, I'm, I'm nuts like a lot of coaches used to be. And so when I still coach my sons, it's hard for me not to be nuts.
So my wife said from early on, you'll never coach the boys, no matter how good they are. And as a coach, if you're going to coach your sons, they either have to be way too good above your level or they have to be not good enough to ever play.
If they're ever in between that gray area. Wait.
Yeah. So this is your wife's fault.
Like, are they – like, I would be pissed if my dad was in a Final Four and I was like, I didn't get to go? I wasn't playing on the team? Well, luckily, you know, and I'm close with both staff, so I'm fortunate both of them have a place in this game and can be a part of it. But fortunately, both of their seasons are done, and so they're traveling with us now.
And FAU has been awesome with taking our families and letting everyone's families share this experience because that's probably the coolest part. Other than watching your players put in all this work and receive what's going on,

seeing your family, who you drag them all over the country, changing schools, daycares, jobs, all that. And, heck, I was obsessed.
I would just leave and my wife would have to sell the house, organize the moves, all that kind of stuff, while raising three boys. So it's awesome just to be able to share that with them.
Yeah. Yeah, well, so you mentioned you, before we started taping,

that you were on the sidelines for, uh, the buzzer beater, Florida versus Wisconsin in the sweet 16, uh, fuck you. First of all, second of all, uh, I guess, tell me what it felt like from your point of view, because it was utter heartbreak for mine.
I mean, the video, uh, that's the beauty of Barstool is we videotape everything. So I get that tweeted to me anytime that, that like the shot comes up, it's just, I get tagged under it constantly.
Would you call that your moment of weakness, Big Cat? No, I would still say that when, when we were up nine against Duke at halftime of the national championship, that was probably the weakest I've been, but it was a weak moment for sure. That was the Brian Butch team.
No, Brian Butch was a long time ago. Yeah, no, that was Frank Kaminsky and Sam Decker.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
But yeah, that, that, that sucked for me. You, I mean, you have to admit that that was lucky.
Well, it would have thought a doubt, but let's rewind. The Wisconsin has the ball.
We're in position to foul. We knock it loose in the backcourt.
I forget the guard's name. Show Walter grabs it, and he hits a floater to send it into overtime.
So a floater to go into overtime is somewhat lucky. No, that's his shot.
He made that shot all year. So you see my point.
It's a lot like the missed calls in one of these games where it follows a missed call the the winning team uh so yeah you get my point but yeah how about that a floater to go overtime and a floater to win the game yeah yeah i mean they were good shots both of them i as a fan of the sport of basketball i had to take my hat off and say that's that's just a good shot yeah and obviously a rod sitting courtside added. Yeah.
Yeah, Showalter did the discount double check. It is funny because you actually just proved your initial point for the first question that, like, I do black out the fact that we had a lucky bounce.
All I think about is, like, man, we got screwed. So you're right.
You're right. Okay.
That makes me feel a little bit better. Did you guys go on to win, go to the final four that year? No, we were up big against South Carolina.
Oh, damn. They shot like 25 free throws in the second half and they were tough.
And they had, you know, obviously Thornwell and Dozier and all those guys ended up, three of those guys ended up playing extensive, you know, playing multiple seasons in the NBA. So it was a heck of a team.
And, and yeah, they, they found a way to win, but a great run. Brutal.
Here's a tip because you've never been to a Final Four. I've been to two.
So if you win on Saturday, try not to go to the bar on Sunday for 14 hours because you still got a game on Monday. Noted.
Okay. All right, because that was a mistake I made.
I made that mistake. I, I was the day that Wisconsin played Duke, I was drinking Petalite in my hotel room being like, how am I going to get myself off the mat here? So just don't do that.
Saturday you went to the bar Sunday and I'm assuming you were over served. I didn't leave Hank.
Hank's not in the room right now, but I literally, we went to the bar at like 11 AM and I didn't go home till two. I was like, I'm staying.
Because I was like, I may never get back here. Which is proven to be correct.
But yeah, try to keep a little something in the tank for Monday. No promises, but I'll do my best.
Maybe just eight hours at the bar. Just beer only.
No shots. Yeah.
Okay, just maybe one shot right when you get there. But then that's it.
Then you're done. Yeah.
When you're going up against a coach that's super fiery, like if you were to coach against Danny Hurley, do you step your game up in that situation where you see him, you know, screaming every word under the sun at the refs, doing the scowl at the refs? Do you then have to be like, okay, I need to match that it just going to be dusty just dusty is going to be dusty every day just dust in the wind i'm going to be me just hanging out not not getting too emotional it's not who i am anymore um and i'll lose my voice too quickly and then i'll never be able to help our guys the rest of the game yeah yeah dusty is a great name by the way it is dusty is a fake name yeah you're you were born if going to be named like Skip or Dusty, you're going to be a coach at some point. Yeah.
Was it a situation where the name led you into coaching? No, I hated it my whole life until I became an adult. And then I would meet people and 20 years later, they would remember Dusty May.
And so I was like, wow, this is actually pretty cool, my profession, that I can meet people and they always remember me, even if I have no idea who they are.

So I've actually used it as a positive.

I never liked it before.

I don't particularly like it now, but I've rolled with it.

Yeah.

I mean, memorable.

Yeah.

I think we said it sounded like a porn star from the eighties.

Well, I think Titus and those guys, I remember there was a show and it was

either I was a NASCAR driver, a professional wrestler,

or a basketball coach.

I think basketball coach third. Yeah.
Or an allergy advisory. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's exactly it. All right.
I have a couple nerdy basketball questions for you. One is your team is phenomenal shooting the three.
You guys play, you know, four out, five out. In terms of recruiting, like, is it as simple as we won't recruit anyone who can't shoot? Because you see teams all the time struggle with finding those shooters.
And how does that like, is that something day one you're building? Like, if you can't shoot, I'm not recruiting. We try not to recruit anyone that can't shoot.
And if you can't shoot, then you have to have one really unique skill. You could be an elite playmaker, elite passer.
And we feel like if you're a lead in one of those other areas, we can find a way for you to be successful. What we've tried to do is take really good athletes who are smart and tough and are good shooters and feel like because of the work we put into it, that we can help them become really good shooters.
So we feel like we have a group that's tough, athletic, strong, can guard, but also they are all good shooters or they were good shooters that have become really good shooters, but they can also dribble pass as well, which I think that's what makes us unique, that they all can put it on the floor and catch and shoot and really defend at a high level. Yeah, I mean, you'd be shocked with how many teams I feel like I watch where it's like none of these guys can shoot.
So it's refreshing to see a team where it's like you can't leave anyone open.. It obviously is a complete mismatch hell for the other team.
The other question was, the transfer portal. A lot of people hand-wringing about the transfer portal.
Oh my god, it's going to ruin college basketball. You've done a really good job of getting guys from Power 5 conferences to go to FAU.
I think that's the beauty of the transfer portal that a lot of people don't see, that you get the movement both ways. It's not just, oh, the best guy on Wofford is going to go play at Kentucky.
You can get guys who maybe aren't getting time in Power 5 to come to FAU. What's the pitch there? Well, anytime there's a Power 5, I would just say anytime, because we have three on our roster, and two of them were situations where they're plug-and-play guys.
We need a point guard. You're a point guard.
You're coming down for a reason because you're coming down a level because you want to play and have a major role. And then we had our starting center left to go play professionally in Europe a couple years ago.
He had a bad need, so he needed to start making some money with his career. So we had a starting position open.
So we got two of our power five guys because we had an immediate need. And so they were plug and play.
And then the third one, Jalen Gaffney, I'd known him because we recruited him at Florida and he was just looking for something different when he left UConn. And so because of the relationship, we didn't need a guard.
We had everyone back, but he just wanted to be a part of it. And he's been, he's received almost but he's had a huge huge imprint on our success because of his intelligence and his selfishness and him just wanting to be a part of a really good team so it's been unique that all three of those guys are major contributors but I don't think we would bring one in that we didn't think could play a major role because they would be frustrated because they're leaving a lot of nice stuff where they're not playing to go to a place where it may not have as nice stuff where they're not playing.
What about your son? He's at a Power 5 conference right now. He enters the transfer portal.
I know you said that you're not allowed to coach. What if he just says, you know what, I'm going to transfer to FAU.
Do you have to resign at that point? Well, I've even said too that I don't know if it's completely healthy to have my sons in the locker room. I have a a great relationship with them but I would never want our players to think that they're telling me what's what's being said in there I just unless it's the only option or whatever the case I don't think it's a good fit and I want them to go grow into their own be their own men develop who they want to be their personalities and and probably if they're here I'm gonna have too much oversight and control over uh you know who they are so i want them to grow make some mistakes learn from them and just just decide who they want to be as people that's probably healthy i see i see there's a bunch of stuff written behind you on the whiteboard do we have to blur that out are you giving away his competition spirit no it's it's it's the traits we talk about in recruiting and then oh so give it to us yeah well how recruit us act Act like me and Big Cat are in your living room right now.
You guys obviously have the competitive spirit. That's number one.
You've got to have that. Coach, first question, do you have a beach? I'm really into the beach.
We have a beach. Okay, I'm in.
First question for me. You've got to shuttle to the beach from campus.
First question for me, I can't shoot at all, but I have a competitive spirit. Would I be a match? Well, we're always looking for a good 14th man, so yes, he doesn't close any doors.
Functional intelligence. You guys are probably out on that one.
Yeah, no, that's not a good fit. The word functional completely ruins it for us.
Basketball skills. Okay.
I'm the exact same size as Marquise Noel. I can give you a look.
I can be scout team Marquise. And then speed, physical and mental.
I think you guys have the mental speed. You guys are quick with it, but I don't think you have the physical speed.
So probably not a great fit for the Owls. No, no.
All right, so I have a very important question. I got a couple more questions, but one very important one.
And you're going to have to start prepping yourself for this because you've done a great job with FAU, but knowing how the big 10 works and knowing how the Indiana fan base works, if you have more success, they're going to just be tweeting that picture of you in a red sweater and being like, coach, you want to come home? You want to come home to Indiana? What are you going to say to that? Cause that's going to happen. I mean, they, Indiana fans are still asking for Brad Stevens to go to Indiana.
I'm going to say, I absolutely love my time in that state and the, the basketball there is a religion. Uh, coach Woodson and his staff are doing an unbelievable job.
They've got a great team. They got it rolling, but I love being here.
I don't know, uh, how, how you could ever leave these guys in this situation, uh, from what we built and the direction we're going in the growth, the growth opportunities here. This place is, it's amazing how fast this university athletic department are growing.
And hopefully this just speeds up the process even more. Okay.
Good answer. Counterpoint Hoosiers, the movie.
I popped that in and I'm like, check it out, Dusty. And then you start crying.
And then I seal the deal. Well, that's a different thing.
Yeah, coach stays, I stay. Coach goes, I go.
My team is on the floor. Yeah, exactly.
You know, Coach, I measured the height of the basket at FAU and the height of the basket in Indiana. It's the exact same height it is the the dimensions are the same actually a

couple people asked me if i'm going to do that in uh in the dome in texas i'm not but uh it reminds

me yesterday one of the reporters asked me how tall are you and i said 5 10 with shoes let's

make sure we're clear that i only measure myself with shoes so yes yes uh you got you got uh tom

herman down there at fau too you guys are building a little good it's like the new cradle of coaches

down there. Tom Herman is one of my favorite college football coaches because of his

look at the You got Tom Herman down there at FAU, too. You guys are building a little good.
It's like the new cradle of coaches down there. Tom Herman is one of my favorite college football coaches because of his Longhorn hydration chart that he would post up in the bathrooms where it would show on a scale of how dark your pee was, whether or not you're a bad guy or a good teammate.
Has he put those up around any of the athletic facilities? Is he monitoring people's level of urine not yet but i'm i'm assuming he'll monitor big cats on on sunday in between the games yes yes that's a good call um all right my last question roback question r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com great joggers polos q-zips if you're in boca raton you're trying to golf roback has you TAKE for 20% off your first purchase. My last question is actually I'm going to give you another tip.
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I do watch a lot of college basketball. Usually when San Diego State's down like 7 or 8, the game is over.
I'm going to tell you right now, that's not the case this year because there's been multiple times in this tournament I've been like, oh, they're done. They won't be able to find seven or eight points.
So don't think that you've won if you're up like 12 to four. No celebratory dances before the buzzer sounds.
Yes, yes, because they're different. They're different this time.
It confuses my brain. And there's some teams, Wisconsin, Virginia, some of those teams, like if you open up a 10-point lead, they can't score that many points.
So if we have a 10-point lead, how early can I break out into the gritty? Oh, I think maybe like a minute and a half left. I was going to say halftime.
Yeah. Do a halftime.
A half, up 10. Yeah.
Make your free throws. You got to make your free throws.
That's the big thing. You have to make your free throws.
That's the, I stress that all the time. Do you guys simulate? They're a lot like us.
They, they, they found ways to win just about every night. And a lot of, a lot of nights it looks differently, but man, they're, they're a good basketball team.
Yeah. Do you guys simulate pressure in practice when it comes to shooting free throws? Is there anything that you do to turn up the heat on guys and see, know okay you're under the gun right now go shoot your free throws and you see what happens yeah we have competitions we try to do everything we can to add a little bit of pressure but our guys now being a veteran group they've been in these game moments so many times I think you just once you're in it you know how it feels you know how to prepare better so because of our guys have been in these situations so many times, I think they're more comfortable than, than a lot of younger teams.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, Dusty, thank you so much. We appreciate the time.
I am upset that you mentioned that Florida thing with the buzzer beater. That's going to put me in a little bit of a spiral for the rest of the day, but that's okay.
I'm rooting for you and we're excited to see you live in in Houston. Get the owls ready to go, and maybe, yeah, do the tape.
You can go viral if you just do the tape measure for the basket. You should do that.
I'll consider it. That's why I do this, for an opportunity to go viral.
Yeah, exactly. Isn't that the goal of all coaching that's the goal just go viral i also you what you did to uab in the conference championship game that was mean that was too much you guys that was too much i was watch it yeah of course i watched it i'm i love jelly and i was like i think they i think uab was up like 15 to 14 and then the next thing it was like a 20 point lead for fau and you got everyone off the scent too because you guys would have been an at-large team but you win the conference usa and everyone's like oh it's just one of those you know small conferences that that's an auto bid so i guess that worked in your favor it did i was you know obviously i didn't want to lose but if we did we did it would be it would mean two conference usa teams got in in the same year because the uab north texas there are other teams that were that are good enough to be playing in the tournament but you know how it goes if you lose one game here or one game there it knocks you out yeah yeah so yeah that was not nice i jelly walker's my guy so yeah yeah there we go i accept your apology all right uh, best of luck and looking forward to Saturday.
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Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend. It is Kirk Goldsberry.
We are in his classroom.

We just finished teaching his business class at the University of Texas. So let's start there.
How do you think we did? Because we have to be the dumbest. It was PFT, Hank, and I, and we have to be the dumbest people ever to teach a business class.
I don't think that's true. But my students were thrilled to have you guys in our classroom.

It means a lot that you guys would come here.

They all love your show.

Your show is very popular at the University of Texas,

and I think we saw that in class today with the enthusiasm that you guys received.

So thank you for joining us.

We appreciate you having us.

Nobody offered us an honorary doctorate or anything like that.

Or drugs.

Which usually we get on the road. Can you give us an honorary doctorate or drugs, which usually we get on the road.
Can you give us an honorary honorary doctorate? Yeah, I think you guys are almost an honorary doctorate stage. Honorary MBA has been bestowed upon both of you.
And I don't have the authority to do that, but let's just go with it. Congratulations.
So it was great. We loved being here.
Um, but but i will say at the end i asked you a question and you basically cut the entire uh class short because i think it was like the scene when they pull back the curtain on wizard of oz i asked simply do you kirk goldsbury think that you took part in ruining basketball because we do oh it hurts basketball is my favorite thing in the world the fact that people would even say that big cat it breaks my heart but you you're one of the first people to point out that three is more than two yeah well three is more than two and mid-range shooting has gone down and and we've helped sort of illustrate why that is but man as i said to my class kevin durant great longhorn uh back in action this week yeah what do you do in the tournament he's a great longhorn legend uh two-time finals mvp he was on campus for what four months he keeps coming back though he's a big part of the program but i love the mid-range shooting and kevin is is breaking the math right now if you look at his mid-range he's arguably having the greatest mid-range season in the history since we've been tracking this for 25 years. And he's breathing life into it, and it's beautiful to watch.
So how do we do that? How do we bring back mids? You just need more Kevin Durant. More guys who are seven feet tall.
DeMar DeRozan, Chris Paul. Guys who can make that shot at a 48%, 50% clip like those dudes.
Kevin's almost 60% right now. It's incredible.
Wait, so what is the actual math where a mid-range shot is more valuable than a three-point shot? Like if someone's shooting 38% from three, what's the math for the two? So an average mid-range shot is worth about 0.8 points because they go in 40% of the time. They're worth two points.
An average three-point shot

goes in 35% of the time.

That gets you to 1.05.

So an average paint shot,

how can I explain it?

Paint and threes are each worth

a little over one.

And mid-range is sitting here

at 0.8 for the league.

Now there are exceptions to that rule

and we just went through Kevin,

Paul George,

What are those worth?

What is Kevin Durant's mid-range shot worth?

That's a great question.

So right now it's funny

because an average Kevinvin durant mid-range shot is going in 60 of the time pretty close this year which brings it close to a really good three-point shooters number okay and so kevin is and by the way he's not taking easy ones he's dribbling in the face of the best defender their opponent can put, and he's still doing it.

And he's having an incredible season.

We just hope he can stay healthy because it's so unique to watch.

And Devin Booker on his team and Chris Paul on his team,

the Phoenix Suns this year have a chance not only to win the championship

but doing it in the mid-range.

He's doing the same thing he did with the Nets.

It would be a massive, massive disappointment if Chris Paul and the Suns did not win the championship this year. And Ryan Russillo, I don't know if you guys know this, huge Chris Paul guy.
Huge Chris Paul guy. He expects big things from the Suns this year.
This is good because I'm not rooting for the Suns and you famously came on the show and told us the Brooklyn Nets have the greatest offense you've ever seen in your entire life. And then James Harden got hurt.
For all 23 games they played, yeah. Yeah, Kevin Durant actually tried to carry them.
Kyrie got anti-Semitic. Like, a lot of things happened since then.
It's crazy to think back. It was 2021, and I remember Kevin was carrying that team.
He was. And he had his— I was at that game seven.
And he had his toe on the line. Yep.
You didn't factor that in. And he was on such a heater moment that I knew that shot was going in.
And I was already looking at his feet, and I was on TV. I wasn't there.
I'm not a big shot like you, Big Cap. But, dude, I mean, they were that close.
Even without the injured players that year, they were very close. The Bucs obviously end up going on to win the championship.
And they're a great team too. But yeah, they were pretty close, but that's the league now.
They're dismantled. Yes.
If a game was played on a spreadsheet, they would be the best team ever assembled. They would beat the Dream Team.
Definitely the Dream Team would beat them. Have you gone back and tried to quantify the Dream Team and just how good...
All I know about them is they never took a timeout. They never used one.
The thing with the 1992 Dream Team is they were obviously a great assemblage of American talent. Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Larry Magic at the end.
Christian Leitner. Yeah, Christian Leitner obviously deserved a theater over Shaq.
Yeah, Isaiah Thomas wasn't there. I don't remember why.
But the thing that's changed since then the most, 30 or 40 years since then is the world has caught up. You know, 12 years later, Manu Ginobili, my friend from the Spurs, beats Team USA in Athens.
And now, you know, Team USA isn't getting much worse. We're still very, very good.
But you don't go into the 92 Olympics thinking you're going to lose. If you go into these Paris Olympics, you're going against a French team that's going to have Lembanyama, Gobert, Nick Batum, like five starting NBA players on their home turf, and you're like, oh, my God, we could legitimately lose.
Yes. Yeah.
All right, so let's talk a little NBA. Yeah, let's do it.
Let's do the West first because it is absolutely chaotic. Is there any team that you confidently can sit here and say, I feel good about them getting to at least the conference finals? No, it's the weirdest season.
It's just the weirdest conference season I've ever seen, period. I mean, you look at it, to me, Big Cat, it's the unproven teams who have deserved the top three seeds.
You have Memphis, which has their issues denver's at the very top and sacramento and then on the bottom half you have the illuminati you have yeah steph curry kevin durant kawai leonard uh and lebron james right and luca outside if you look at who's won the finals mvps for the last 10 years those guys i just named have won most of them and they're now sitting in the bottom half of the western bracket against unproven teams up top so all of my friends in the NBA media are going to have okay so let's say it's the Warriors Nuggets in 8-1 it's like well if you believe the regular season the Nuggets are going to wipe the floor here the Warriors can't win on the road but if you believe in Steph Curry and Draymond Green and Klay Thompson and Steve Curry, you're going to be like,

so nobody knows what to trust.

If you believe the last five, ten years NBA basketball,

the teams on the bottom half have a legitimate chance.

If you believe what we've seen all season,

it's Denver, Sacramento, and Memphis.

I tend to side with the players.

I think there's going to be some upsets in these first-round series.

And if you're Denver or Sacramento after these great seasons, you see Steph Curry, Le some upsets in these first round series yeah uh and if you're denver or sacramento after these great seasons you see steph curry lebron james i know first round what a bummer yeah i was i was reading your article uh your most recent one about yokich's issues on defense actually i i should i should preface that by saying i didn't read the article yeah i read the first three paragraphs before it became espn plus only and then i read the first the last two sentences as it was fading out. I just read his Instagram caption.
Okay. So you hate Jokic and he gets, he gets dunked on all the time by shitty players.
Yeah. I'm honored.
That story did really well for us at ESPN, but it was really cool because it was the first time one of my articles was labeled a hatchet job by an NBA coach. Yeah.
But you were just using numbers. Mike Malone called it a hatchet job.
And I was like are just facts I mean but in reality on March 10th Nicole Jokic went to San Antonio his big favorite and this viral video emerged you guys probably saw that I was all over the NBA internet on Twitter it's just Jokic layup line Spurs guys just beating him the most points any rim protector has given up all year I went and looked at a bunch of numbers and he's giving up more points per game on layups as the closest defender of any player in the player tracking era, which is now 10 years. And so I brought that up because it's in the heat of this chance for the Nuggets to finally get out of the Western Conference, for Jokic to be a three-time MVP.
And I didn't think it was a loud enough part of the conversation. So I was just like, hey, guys, what about this? And that's the hatchet job I got labeled for.
But in all seriousness, when I look at the MVP race, Nikoli Jokic's defense is a big sort of consideration that I don't think is being talked about enough. Because Embiid's defense, he is that rim protector.
Yeah, so the other two guys are incredible defenders. Giannis is my favorite defender in the world.
The Bucs have one of

the best defenses in the league, and I think the Sixers are currently ranked sixth in defense,

and Embiid's a huge part of that. Meanwhile, Denver's middle of the pack are mediocre,

and of the 16 playoff teams, if you look at Denver's performance in defense of the last

three years, they ranked 12th, 12th, and 16th in the last three years. It's been their demise,

and Jokic is really important. Centers have an outsized importance.
Like, quarterbacks on

I'll see you how good your defense is in the NBA. Yeah.
Is there any historical basis for teams that are middle of the pack on defense, elevating their game in the playoffs, though, and turning it on? I think one of the late, sort of, chubby Shaq-era Lakers teams, as he played himself into shape, during the regular season, was middle of the pack on defense. But it was Shaq by the time the playoffs came around, and it was a problem.
But it is so fascinating, because the NBA, I love the NBA playoffs. I obviously like, it's one of my favorite.
I love basketball. But the regular season feels like it doesn't mean as much.
And more than anything, any other sport, it's like similar to who's your center. It's like who are your starting five in the playoffs because you can win a lot of games in the regular season, trying a little bit harder, like getting people on off nights.
But then when when you have to play in the playoffs it's like who's going to be playing in the fourth quarter who's going to get stops that's the team right and that's why these two sort of unproven teams in the west right now are near the over indexing on the betting odds right like if you look at the the golden state warriors who are terrible on the road well they're starting five if they can get them together right if w, right? If Wiggins comes back, it's like the numbers are great. And we saw it last year.
They're pretty good. And then the Phoenix team is like, Oh, they have Kevin Durant now, all the regular season numbers.
So I wanted to ask you guys, this is like, it's starting to feel more like the NHL, right? Like who's hot and who's healthy during the stretch run. Is that just the reality for basketball? That sort of seems what the Western Conference is.
The Eastern Conference is sort of more normal. Yeah, and it's the old Pat Riley, which is like one of my favorite quotes about NBA basketball.
It's start, what is it? Play, trust eight, play, or no. Yeah, trust seven, play eight.
Trust seven, play eight. Yeah, yeah, right.
Like when you get to the playoffs, you're going to play seven guys. Yeah.
Like that's just really what it comes down to, meaningful eight. Yeah, right.
When you get to the playoffs, you're going to play seven guys. That's just really what it comes down to, meaningful minutes.
Yeah, and I think some of these teams, like the Lakers are another good example. That was not who this team was in October, November, December.
If LeBron and AD show up healthy with these guys they got at the trade deadline, like the regular season legitimately doesn't matter. He's doing the ESPN thing because if the Lakers win one game, everyone on ESPN is like, watch out for the Lakers.
Yeah, but what you're also doing is you're saying the Lakers should win in the playoffs, which I like because I want to be disappointed in LeBron if they lose in the playoffs. It's their championship to lose.
This is what you just said. I mean, you just said LeBron James and AD.
Agg I mean just think about those two they should dominate I do think the Lakers are very fascinating what I was saying is they're bad their regular season identity is a bad yeah but be not indicative of who they are going into the playoffs like they haven't been healthy and they haven't had all these supporting pieces they're playing great defense they're simply one of the better NBA teams in the last 15 games or so, and that was without LeBron for a vast majority of that. They're scary.
So they're better without LeBron. Dude, LeBron, no, they are definitely not better.
You said they were. They did a lot at the trade deadline, Big Cat, that made them a dangerous team.
And to your point, they have seven or eight dudes that can play playoff basketball, shoot threes, defend.

They kind of resemble,

and I know where you guys are going to go with this,

they resemble the team we saw in the bubble.

Like, they're physical.

They're stronger.

And they're playing great defense.

And they take, like, 150 more free throws in the next team. I don't know if you saw that stat.
Yeah, their physical team. That's what it is.
But I'll say this. You know what? I think the dominant trait of this NBA season, guys, is it's wide open.
And I think that's more fun. And we saw it in March Madness.
Nobody knows who's going to win. The thing with LeBron's legacy is for eight years in a row, we knew the Eastern playoff preview was pretty simple yeah no you're right it's the Cavs or it's the heat or whatever and it's like what I love about this year is that man nobody has a good feel for who's coming out of either side yeah we respect the Kings on this podcast by the way we respect them we know everything about them I just want to hear from you why other people out there should also respect the Kings, because we definitely do.
In word offense, these dudes are scoring more points at a higher rate than anybody, and they destroy really good defenses in big moments, and it's not a fluke. I mean, Fox and Sabonis are just the chemistry couldn't be better.
Kevin Herter, who they got from Atlanta, has emerged as one of this Clay Thompson light, like a catch and shoot threat who spaces it out and then they just are fast and young and smart and what they aren't is defense so the haters case against the Kings is is on the other side of the court which is weird because Mike Brown their coach built his reputation as this defensive genius so you know one of the stats guys that I I know NBA team has won the championship with a defense that's ranked 11th or worse in the regular season in a very long time, and they are not checking that box. The Denver Nuggets are not checking that box.
And that's, yeah, I mean, that makes sense because it really does. Like when the games slow down in the fourth quarter and it's a half-court game, it's like you've got to get a get a stop yeah and there's no bad teams you you get exposed if you play Giannis in a seven game series if you if you play LeBron and AD in a seven game series and you don't get stops like they're going to smell blood and they're going to just destroy you over and over again Chris Paul like these players Luka Doncic I you know whoever makes it's like you can't cover up bad defense.
Well, Luka's a bad defender. I actually want you to do an advance stat.
How many points Luka gives up complaining calls on the other end? Oh, so I went to Eurobasket and watched him play for Slovenia, which was awesome by the way, like watching international basketball in Europe. But I came home being like, this guy is just giving up so many fast break points.
You're like, you talk about hockey. There's a power play seven times a game because it's five on four because he's back on the other end.
Complaining, yeah. I need that advanced stat.
How many times? Too many times. I'll look it up for you.
What about the opposite of Jokic, which would be Rudy Gobert in Minnesota? People aren't respecting the Timber the timberwolves enough if they're a team that checks the defensive box why aren't we talking more about the timberwolves as a society yeah as a society i think it's it's a conversation we need to have more of pft and i think you guys provide a platform where we can talk about the minnesota timberwolves and feel comfortable just just make it so that our our listeners in minnesota they've had a tough time probably as long as they've been alive with their sports. Is this the year that Timberwolves and feel comfortable.
Just make it so that our listeners in Minnesota, they've had a tough time probably as long as they've been alive with their sports. Is this a year that Timberwolves can win at least one postseason series? This has nothing to do with PFT.
Oh, I forgot that I had that massive, massive future on them. So where the Timberwolves are is the short answer is yes, but you got to watch these matchups.
And what's happening in the lower half of the Western bracket right now is chaos. I don't know who's going to be the 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11.
It's all jumbled up. If they get Minnesota, I'm sorry, if they get a team like Memphis or if they get a team like Sacramento or Denver, of course they can.
Everybody's unproven. They played pretty well in the playoffs last year.
They got a chance. They're playing well now my opinion i think most people think they have a very good coach uh rudy gobert anthony edwards are are pretty good players but it's going to be a matchup dependent thing they got a chance who should who should minnesota fans be rooting for them to match up against the first round would it be sacramento you know what i think that's the normal that's the obvious choice everybody wants sacramento because they're sacramento and like they haven't been good in our lifetime like since like vladi divac was there and and this is their first time in the playoffs congratulations to them it's one of my favorite stories light the beam i i mean the fact that they were almost they almost moved and everything like that's a diehard group of fans that deserve Yeah, and I don't roast people on social media as much as you guys, but I did make fun of Light the Beam when it first came out.
I made some stupid joke like, well, they're not going to need a lot of energy. And one of their coaches texted me who I worked with at the Spurs and was like, F you, we're going to get it together.
And sure enough, they did, and I'm happy to see it. I love it.
I want that team in that city to be great. That said, I do think whether you're talking about the Lakers, you're talking about the Warriors, you're talking about the Timberwolves, the team in that lower half, they might be picking Sacramento because of that defensive limitation.
And also Dele. Dele's plus minus is 16 wins this year over what they had last year.
So the intangibles he brought. That would be fucked up, though, if it was the Kings and the Lakers in the playoffs and LeBron got all the calls and it's just a flashback.
Has that ever happened before? That would be heartbreaking. It's a Bobby Walker's halftime show, as my friend likes to call it.
That would suck. But yeah, that will bring back memories.
But it's cool to have that there. And the other interesting thing that could happen is Golden State playing Sacramento, which is like a regional thing.
They're 90 minutes apart, and it would be like this cool thing for Northern California to have that. So, East.
Yeah. A couple thoughts.
One is it feels like the Bucs are – it feels like last year they had Chris Middleton injury. He's getting back.
He's starting to play a little bit better. If the Bucs have everyone healthy, it feels like it's almost like a defense of their title in 2021.
Is that fair to say? That's where I'm at. Because, you know, last time they were healthy, they got there and they won it.
And so they deserve that respect. Boston deserves respect.
Philadelphia. the thing is the east does really deserve respect

i'll tell you i'll tell you what's going on the east is sort of the new west like for the last 20 years the west was stacked and as when i worked with the spurs it's like oh my god we're playing like chris paul in the first round or whatever it is and it's like they're the seventh seed or we're the seventh seed and it's like that's where the east is right now so it's cleveland is playing really well. Philly is really good.

The Knicks are fun.

But I keep coming back to Milwaukee. Drew Holiday scored 50 points.
He's their third option. Right.
When Brooke Lopez is playing defense like he is, they're impossible to score on in the paint. And Giannis is the most terrifying help defender in the league like the best free safety in basketball can guard anyone and Chris Middleton as you said is just gives them another threat to get a bucket and when they did win they wouldn't have won without him right when they did win he got so many late game buckets that Giannis like if there's a limitation in Giannis's game it's late game execution yeah deserve to be the favorites.
They have the best record without Chris a lot of the year. I think they deserve to be the favorites coming out of the East.
So Hank is sitting over here. He actually has been pretty honest that he's maybe not nervous, but something has been off with the Celtics.
What has been off? You know, they have really leaned into shooting a lot of threes this year, and when those threes are going in, they look undefeated. That's your fault.
That's literally your fault. I don't know why they're shooting all these threes.
I have no idea. But, like, in October, November, they were making all of them 40% up and down the roster, and then they stopped going in.
Their offensive efficiency tanks, and they start losing. And not a lot of games, but enough that Milwaukee catches up.
I think at worst their offense depends a lot on three-point shooting and Jason Tatum isolation, and it doesn't always work. And I think the offense is the thing to watch there in a playoff series against defenses like Cleveland, potentially the Bucs no weaknesses on those defensive teams yeah you might not get easy threes Jason Tatum might have a harder time and and look all due respect to the Celtics I think they deserve to be the second favorite to come out of the east but I see a matchup with Milwaukee and and right now I think a lot of us would take the Bucs this time around yeah yeah uh let's talk Wimben Yama I don't know if we say his name right we pronounce his name differently every single time I did notice on Wednesday's show that you guys might have said it incorrectly but don't make me say it yeah so so is he actually as different as we're being told that he is he's one of the tallest prospects in history and he can shoot threes isn't he like lying that he's shorter? I know I'm serious.
He's like Kevin Durant,

like doesn't want to be a seven footer.

It depends on where you measure.

And me and PFC are big eye height guys.

Yeah.

And I think we're going to bring that into the combine in Chicago.

Maybe you guys will be there for the combine,

but yeah,

the eye height thing.

I think his eyes are seven,

two off the ground.

That's incredible.

I don't know what they are,

but he's,

he's one of the tallest prospects around the thing that need that people need to talk about with him is the defense. He's defensive efficiency in a can.
I think he can guard almost anybody in the league in his length. Imagine trying to shoot against a guy like that.
He's like a buck 50. I would body him.
He gets bullied. I've seen him.
He got bullied by some like, I don't know, six, four, 300 pound Latvian dude. Just put his ass into him.
Give me one box out. He would be hurt.
This is an NBA deep cut PFT, but Kenny Lofton last year in summer league. It's just the big hulking.
Oh, yeah. Louisiana Tech.
Yeah. I love them.
Took it to Chet. Yeah.
And it was exactly what you guys are describing. Is he on a roster? Huh? Is he on a roster? Kenny Lofton.
Yeah. He's on the Memphis Grizzlies.
Okay. I love his game.
He would have been the best player in like 1993. For a long time, I legitimately thought he was related to the baseball player.
Because Kenny Lofton, the baseball player, played hoops in Arizona too. He was really good.
But he has the best touch. But then you see his physique and you're like, I don't think they're related.
Yeah. Because Kenny Lofton, the baseball player, played hoops in Arizona too.
He was really good.

But he has the best touch.

But then you see his physique and you're like, I don't think they're related.

Yeah.

Because Kenny Lofton was like the sick outfield.

No, he was the best.

Like anything that he shot like 10 feet out, it would just roll out.

Oh, great touch around the rim.

Yeah.

Great player.

But yeah, I think Wembenyama is the most hype prospect, arguably since LeBron James. And a lot of it has to do with the – yeah, he's Ralph Sampson with a three-point shot.
If that's too old school of a reference, I can't help it because it's been that long since we've had somebody that tall that we've been this excited about in the NBA. Maybe Yao Mei.
So my theory, and you can – I don't know if you're able to answer this, but I think the Spurs have gotten to the perfect position. This is like Pop's masterpiece.
He thought to himself, I want to leave a legacy here. We're in a position where we could win the lottery and get Wimbabwe from France.
You nailed it. You got it right that time.
And then I bow out. I leave.
Maybe I take a front office job. This is my last season.
I've put us in the exact right position, and now I'm out. The future is in your hands right now.
From your lips to God's ears as a spur for life, I love that idea that they would get him. He has connections to Tony Parker and Boris Diaz.
The Spurs have been very good with international players for a long time. It does sort of fit poetically, but one thing people don't realize, even if you're in that very low category, they have a 14% chance.
And the lottery's rigged. Yeah.
Is it rigged? It is rigged. So if the lottery was rigged, where does David Stern want Wimper Vib to go? San Antonio, right? I mean, like you said, it's the best story.
So let's speak it into existence. I've let myself believe this, that they're going to be like, hey, the Bulls are never getting out of this stuck-in-mediocre-ville roster.
Let's rig it. I know you guys are looking forward to some time in Chicago, but, man, I miss going to time basketball in Chicago with that fan base.
They want, it would be great story. And you, you actually are part of Adam Silver's like little inner circle.
So you probably will rig it yourself. You know how you guys do the ping pong balls? Yeah.
I know how to do that. Yeah.
Have you ever gotten it? Uh, I've never tried. Are you guys going to let me try Let's try Here we go

For people who are watching on the YouTube

I have 1 to 100 written on the board

And I will circle it of the number that I'm picking

And Kirk is not looking at the board

And he's going to guess

Hank is looking at the board and he's furious

I'm going to use

I'm going to use

My cosmic strategy

I can't see it

I'm not supposed to see it

Thank you. I'm going to use my cosmic strategy.
I can't see it. I'm not supposed to see it.
When do I guess? He's thinking about writing. I'm faking you out.
He has not circled yet. He's going up, down, left, right.
Okay, he's got it. Big Cat.
I'm going to use a Grateful Dead reference here because I know you're a deadhead.

I'm a deadhead.

We've bonded.

We're going to go to all these shows together.

I was listening to the Grateful Dead channel on Sirius Network.

One of my favorite shows is the Egypt show.

They play the pyramids, 9, 16, 78.

And I'm going to go one of those numbers let's just go 78 i feel 78 are you serious that's that fucking insane he did it you literally got it he did it what do you mean it's rigged i didn't tell him anything i just told we would's rigged? I didn't tell him anything. I just told...
We would never rig this. I didn't tell him anything.
I think it's so easy. I didn't even think he was going to want to guess.
What do you say, Max? Reflection off the TV. What about it? Reflection off the TV? Oh, why? Look what I'm looking at.
That is the trashiest... Can you just celebrate someone else getting it? just celebrate someone else getting it? That was remarkable.
Look what he thinks. All I can see is the reflection of a light in a rainbow.
Yeah, Max. There's no chance.
Don't take this away from Kirk. He nailed it.
Can't see it. Can't see it.
Can't see it. I almost picked 16.
Yeah. So there you go.
It It's that easy Sorry not sorry dude That was incredible He just got it and you have never gotten it Okay he's just silently staring at me Last question Let's do a little March Madness You've been watching. Who's winning it all? My beloved Longhorns gave the Miami Hurricanes a run and credit to Jim Laranaga who we all adore.
It's hard to root against that guy. I found a way because the Longhorns were playing him last weekend.
These dudes were making shots, man. For me, it's either Miami or UConn who seems to be one of the more talented.

You don't respect the little guys.

I mean, honestly, I've been waiting my whole life for this Final Four.

Just chaos, five seeds, nine seeds, like whatever.

And if Florida Atlantic wins, that's like my childhood dream coming true.

It's the craziest story.

You make that bracket and you're like, no way this is going to happen.

That would be the coolest story that could happen, right? Yeah yeah yeah florida atlantic coming out 37 and 3 they would be if they want it all yeah um you know but i think the more talented teams which don't always come out on top are are yukon and miami i mean i know you guys are going down what are you looking forward to i i mean i have a future on yukon i just am worried miami they might just make every shot. That's what they've been doing.
Oh, San Diego State plays incredible defense. They look like an NBA team when they're – Yes.
Yeah, like the length and athleticism they have on the court. Yeah, no, there's a lot of like, oh, these guys are the mid-majors, but I would not be shocked if any of these – You guys had the great Mountain West stats coming into the tournament.
Oh, well, they deserved it. I always used that.
my mind. People were getting upset about it.
It's like, you guys got eliminated from the tournament in 10 hours last year. You have to say it, but San Diego State's been tremendous.
It's been a great tournament. I just want to say I found myself really watching games and getting into this year, and I think the chaos helps.
The thing I'd say against it is I kind of missed some of the blue bloods in the Final Four. Okay, Okay.
You're a snob. I don't know if I'm a snob, but last year was a little extreme on that side.
It was Villanova, Kansas, and then, of course, North Carolina and Duke. Somebody handed me a piece of paper up there.
Have you heard the good news? We're getting close to the year anniversary that I put them in the grave. You can say that if UConn wins, they might become a blue blood.
That's a good point. I think UConn is potential.
I'm not on the blue blood committee. I don't know who gets it.
Yeah, that's us. Are they one championship away from you? They would have five in the last 24 years.
I would give them a blue blood. Yeah, that's crazy.
That's crazy. And the next closest is Duke and UNC both have three in the last 24 years.
Blue blood. Yeah, so I think this is the blue blood final four.
Yeah. They have a chance to become, what is it? What's the name of the disease that you get if you're? Hemophilia.
Hemophilia, yeah. They have the opportunity to gain hemophilia.
Royalty. That's why they call it blue blood.
Did you know that? I didn't know that. Yeah, fun fact.
I had one last question about March Madness. And this is my – I have an old man take that I love to bring out anytime Alabama and Nate Oates and his stupid spreadsheets falter in the tournament.
Is that what their biggest problem is? Yeah. Yeah, that is their biggest problem.
Do you think there's anything to be said for a team that shoots only threes and layups to struggle in big moments from the free throw line. They don't practice mid-range.
Yeah, I think in the NBA, what we've seen is Kawhi Leonard and Kevin Durant really excelling in these tight spaces in the playoffs. The mid-range does seem to be where the biggest shots happen, whether it's Jordan's biggest shots.
But I don't know. But there is, again, there's a virtue to the midrange.
And the free throws suffer. Brandon Miller did not have a good tournament.
And there's all sorts of jokes. But the bottom line is I expected that player to, because the way he played in the sec tournament i expected him as an nba sort of

prognosticator to come out and continue that yeah that team to go a lot further than they did yeah

why they struggled i don't know you can't put that in a spreadsheet you find out he's in a

different type of self fraud yeah um all right well kirk you have one last question yeah i was

there's another way that basketball has been ruined i don't necessarily think that this one

is your fault but the the gamification of the free throw line yeah people getting these cheap fouls james harden you know jumping into people drawing but they found an inefficiency uh that wasn't there before is there a way mathematically to fix that make free throws worth 0.75 points yeah i think dean smith famously said the best place to score on the free throw line, on the basketball court, is the free throw line. And I think it took a little too long for basketball players to really figure that out.
I blame the European soccer countries that taught us how to flop. My friend Manu Ginobili, again.
Italians, just say Italians. James Harden.
James Harden bringing that Italian strategy into pro basketball. He's perfect.
It's a really smart play. Nothing elevates the expected value of a possession more than a whistle if you're in the bonus or if you have a two-shot foul coming your way.
But are free throws too easy? Yeah, I think they are. Maybe move it back? Yeah.
You know what's weird, guys, is that the college basketball has one-on-one, and then when you make millions of dollars to shoot free throws, we don't need you to take one-on-one. Bring the one-on-one to the NBA.
I think that's one thing we could do to actually increase the risk for some of these guys. You're going to get zero points on the possession if you don't make that front end.
It's terrifying for these college kids in the tournament. That's a great rule.
What was the end of the game? San Diego State. He missed the front end.

He missed that.

Or no, it was a two-shot foul.

If it was one and one.

But it was a shooting foul, whatever.

We can get another call.

But how terrifying was that kid?

Yeah, that second one was terrifying.

He made the second one, though.

Yeah.

I like that.

Tell Adam Silver that.

Yeah.

Mr. Silver.

Mr. Silver.

And also to rig it for the Bulls.

All right.

Well, Kirk, thank you.

Thank you for having us.

It's been fun.

On behalf of the University of Texas and the McComb School of Business, thank you guys for coming to visit. It means a lot.
And hook them horns. Let's go.
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We got Fyre Fest of the Week. Henry? Yeah, this one's kind of ongoing too because I don't know where it is.
You guys know me. I'm a prompt guy.
I'm a prepared guy. I like to be ahead of the curve.
I was packing for this trip last night around midnight, and I decided not to bring my backpack and instead go for a carry, because I didn't want to check a bag, a big bag. So I decided to bring a check.
Why? We're only gone for four days. I'm going for 10 days.
Oh. Going on vacation.
Don't know if I mentioned that. Didn't want to bring it.
So I brought a carry-on bag and then like a little duffel as my carry-on. Go to pack my laptop in.
Open my backpack. My laptop was not in there.
It was midnight, so I wasn't going to go to the office to even look for it. And I didn't even know where it was in the office.
Can you get to it? Replaying my steps. had no idea where it was.
So I, and obviously I'm going away. I have to have some type of laptop or something.
So I had to bring. Do you? Are you going to work? When are you going to use a laptop? I don't know.
Maybe. Oh, for porn.
For internet porn. This is like when I bring my gym shoes.
It kind of, well, that's the thing. It was like, do I not need my laptop? It's like, I probably do.
I don't know.

Because it's like if you don't bring your laptop, then you're openly admitting to everybody,

I plan on doing zero work.

Which is, I will happy to openly admit that.

I plan on doing zero work.

But I had to bring, I have an all business Pete, like the old laptop I used to stream during COVID.

It's like one of those little Dell MacBooks, like little Dell books or whatever you call them. Dell books.
Yeah. Dell books.
And I just, I don't know. What does that have to do with Pete? It just, that's what he uses.
Oh, okay. And then today I hit up Evan and Shane because they're coming down to shoot a video we're shooting on Sunday.
And I was like, can you look for my laptop at the office? He's like, yeah, it's nowhere to be found. Uh-oh.
So I have no idea where it is. Can you track it? Do you know where Ben Mince is? I think it might be in Lake Charles.
Shit. Yeah.
Am I stolen it? So your fire fest is you're not doing any work? I don't have a laptop. And you lost your laptop.
I lost my laptop. No, not doing any work is more like a fire fest.
A good fest. Yeah, it's a good fest.
Yeah. This is fire fest oh speaking of fire fest like literally fire for hank i found out a very interesting fact about henry oh yeah you told me you're gonna save this yeah yeah when we were doing our uh our golf stream with rudy uh hank was like i think i'm gonna turn my fog machine on and i was like wait what does hank have a fog machine in his apartment

is that humidifier that no no that he turns on hank has a fog machine that he turns on when he's just like trying to blow off steam or relax he just calmly goes home and turns his fog machine on yeah no that was i don't think you understood me that was me and rudy going way over your head God, you got duped.

Damn, PFT, we were making us look old.

What's your fog?

Fog is a euthanism he's smoking weed he's smoking marijuana cigarettes yes just a little oh the reefer now i wish you had told me this in confidentiality so i could have been like wait let's think about this because i was like yeah i think i'm gonna i i had a bad shot i was like i think i need to go turn on my fog machine oh and then pfc's like you have a fog machine and i i thought he was playing along i was like yeah i just turned it on in my house this is me continuing yeah maybe a humidifier i don't know yeah no uh because i was laughing so hard at the imagery of hank just like having a tough day at He's like, I got to turn the fog on. It always makes me feel better.

He's like, I got to turn the fog on. It always makes me feel better.
He's like Undertaker's entrance, just sitting there. Yeah, now that I think about it, I'm a real fucking moron.
Yeah, that one hurts. That was dumb.
I thought you were talking about the Mezcal Gatorade Zero. Oh, yeah.
So that's another fun fact that I learned about Hank. That's just an elite drink.
I was like, what cocktail are you making, Hank? And he said he likes to relax with a Mezcal and Gatorade Zero mix. I used to drink.
I had a whole summer where I was just drinking Gatorade and vodka. That's normal.
Yeah. That's normal.
My friend who owns a bar in Chicago put it on the tap for me. Yeah.
Gatorade. It's a good drink.
Red Punch Gatorade. It's a good drink.
But Gatorade Zero and Mezcal, I don't think that's ever been made by anybody before.

Yeah.

That was just like, I don't really drink at my house by myself a lot.

So it's just, I had Gatorade Zero and then I had some Mezcal.

Bang.

It's a wild, wild combo.

It's a crazy combination.

It's good.

It's really good.

Yeah.

You should try it.

Don't knock until you try it.

You have great taste.

Everyone says that.

Yeah.

Barber Cuffalo.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Barber Cuffalo.

Can you get some soup at the hotel? Do they have soup? I don't know. Listerquil? Oh, shampoo soup.
Yeah, obviously. Yeah, that was our next question.
Soup? Come on. Well, that's really embarrassing.
You thought he was talking about actual soup. What an idiot.
All right, PFT. My fire fest is that I thought that Hank was using a fog machine in his house when he was actually smoking weed, which makes me very uncool.
And in addition to that, it is opening day. So I retold the story of my dad punking me on opening day, April Fool's Day, back when I was in elementary school, where he picked me up from school, gave me my glove, drove out of the parking lot, and then told me April Fool's and made me go back to class.
And people pointed out. And then you saw that Shireen in the bathroom at school.
Well, people pointed out something I didn't realize. There haven't been any opening day Orioles games on April Fool's Day throughout the entire 90s.
Oh, no. So I went back and I looked at it.
This motherfucker, my dad, pulled an April Fool's prank on me on April 2nd. Oh, that's illegal.
A full 24. That should be illegal.
So not only did he make me go back to class, but it wasn't even April Fool's. He was just like.
Damn. He must have done something devious.
He pulled a psych on me. He just psyched me.
You must have done some devious shit. I don't know what I did to deserve it.
It's funny in retrospect. But it does make it worse finding out that not only was it a punk, but it was also just not even April Fool's Day.
Yes, that does suck. All right, my fire press is that I have to sit in the last fucking row of a football stadium to watch a basketball game.
That sucks. That's tough.
This is going to suck. Yeah.
You should get binoculars. You're just going to watch the Jumbotron.
I promise to the AWLs I will not watch the Jumbotron.

Yes, you will.

I'll watch the court.

I'm going to give you all.

I'm going to call fouls from all the way up there.

Someone who snuck into a lot of basketball games

and ended up sitting in the last row,

you'll just end up watching the screen.

So I can just watch TV?

Yeah.

Maybe I'll watch it on my phone.

But you'll be in the atmosphere,

which I'm sure will be electric

for the FAU San Diego State game.

The fans will be in there rocking it.

If you hit your first bet,

you're going to want to stay up there

maybe for your second bet.

That's true.

No, yeah, you're right.

I haven't decided who I'm going to bet on

for the first game, but yeah.

Although you guys are going to get good seats.

I'm going Alice, baby.

Damn, I think I'm going to go... I don't know.
Fuck. I don't know.
I'm saying Diego State. Yeah.
Because you're going there? Yeah. Because you want to party with them? They got to beat you at FAU, too.
Dusty May on the podcast. Nothing? Doesn't do anything for you? Owl up.
Okay. All right.
That's our show. We kick it to ourselves.
We did the lottery ball back in the studio. The Kirk, you can admit the Kirk goes for everything now.
It was not fake. Yeah, it wasn't fake, Hank.
I don't know what you want me to say. Hank's too woke.
He got the number. It wasn't fake.
He could not see the, look at the reflection right now. Look at the reflection.
You can't see it. He had, he walked you through his reasoning of picking a random number.
We were talking about grateful dead before we got in here. Okay.
You're too inside your own head. Yeah.
That sucks for you that he was able to get it that easy. It's just like, I don't know.
You guys are, you know, you're, you're really laying it on thick with like the bachelor. Oh yeah.
The bachelor came to the office. If you didn't see the video of it, the bachelor came into the office.
He's an AWL shout out. Zach came in with his bride to be your bride.
I don't know how that works on the bachelor fiance. You can also say bride to be.
Yeah, that's a that's a normal thing. But I asked him just pick a number because we just had Stav on the show.
We just did the drawing. I said, we just did it.
What would your number have been? And he fucking nailed it. First guess.
Everyone gets it except you. Well, maybe not.
Let's kick it to ourselves. See if Hank gets it.
Okay, we're wrapping up the show. Numbers time.
Getting ready for the final four. We're in Houston.
Come see us, Kirby's Ice House. Five to seven on Friday.
One to three on Saturday. Local time.
Numbers. Oh, wait.
Hank, have you ever gotten this? No. Numbers.
16. 18.
Hank? 46. I don't want to win.
I'll say 17. For the record.
If I win, I'll be 14. 42.
42 for memes. Evan, what do you got? what do you got to to 82 82 what was your number Hank 46 I pick 17 don't want to win Hank 59 59 God yeah right you're trying you're trying to win.
right that's our show we'll see everyone on monday love you guys tigers can eat up to 40 pounds of meat and then not eat for a week i don't know what i'm gonna say i say it anyway today is another day to find you shining away.

I'll be coming for your love again.

Take on me.

Take on me.

Take me on.

Take on me.

I'll be coming.

Take on out. Thank you.
We'll be right back. Take me off Thank you.
Take on me.