Max Homa, Aaron Rodgers Emerges From His Cave, Official NBA Finals Picks + Fyre Fest Of The Week

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have our good friend Max Homa in person.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to Pardon My Take. Today is Friday, February 24th.

Speaker 1 And Aaron Rodgers has emerged from his hole, from his darkness retreat. We have seven more months of winter.

Speaker 2 Yeah, worst groundhog ever.

Speaker 1 Ever.

Speaker 1 He has come out.

Speaker 1 He did it in record time. He completed 50% of his darkness retreat.
So he said on the Pat McAvee show that he was going for four days.

Speaker 1 He completed two days. That's all he needed.

Speaker 2 That's impressive because he's due to make, what, $60 million? Yeah. He figured out that he wanted to return for $60 million guaranteed in only two days' time.

Speaker 1 It was either that or he went in there for one sleep and was like, yeah, no, I don't want to go to the Jets. Yeah.
Yeah. And he's like, I'm good.
I'm good. I'm coming out.

Speaker 2 Jesus did for three, but he was in there for two, and he's trying to think of, I guess, what his future has in store for him. Trying to figure out if he wants to keep playing football.

Speaker 2 Spoiler alert, he will. Yep.
Wants to continue playing. Probably would an MVP.

Speaker 2 So the report that came out from the guy, Scott Berman, who owns Sky Cave Retreats, what a crock of shit this business is, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 He basically, the dude owns a bunch of trees and then puts doors inside these little trees. Aaron Rodgers lived like an elf for two days.
They put him inside, and it's a 300-square-foot apartment.

Speaker 2 It's got electricity. He's got a queen bed, no light, a bathroom, and a meditation light mat.
It does sound like someone who's just come back from a long weekend in Vegas. Right.

Speaker 2 That's basically what I do every time after a bachelor party. Yeah.
It's a perfect scenario to really dry yourself out.

Speaker 1 And it's, it's, I looked at it. It looks like a Manhattan hotel room.
The ones that you get where it's like you open up the blinds to see the view and it's just staring at a brick wall next door.

Speaker 1 That's essentially what he rented.

Speaker 1 I looked at it. I was like, I would love to spend two days in here and just sleep.
I could have slept 20 hours a day in there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it does seem like an awesome place to just hang out for a while.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It sounds like he was also just like cosplaying as Saddam Hussein. Yeah.
Just like staying down a little spider hole, hiding from the Jets, making sure that he's just in a right sound mindset.

Speaker 2 It would get boring after, I think, three or four days. Well, but like a good weekend in there, yeah, you just chill out, you come out refreshed.

Speaker 1 What I really want to know, so the article,

Speaker 1 it was hilarious just to see Adam Schefter's tweet where it's like, this is an actual thing that just happened.

Speaker 1 The guy who won multiple MVPs, has a Super Bowl, is getting paid $60 million to play football.

Speaker 1 And Adam Schaefer tweeted, the room in which Aaron Rodgers spent his time is a partially underground hobbit-like structure with 300 square feet of space, devoid of light, with a queen bed, a bathroom, and a meditation-like mat on the floor.

Speaker 1 And it's just a link to the article. And that's like, that's breaking news today in the NFL world.
And

Speaker 1 there's a couple of things. So I read the whole article because I was like, what is this all about?

Speaker 1 It seems like a pretty good time just in the fact, like I said, you could just sleep the entire time and come out very well rested. This guy, Scott Berman, I would love to find out.

Speaker 1 So essentially what happens is he goes in there. He can turn on the lights.
He can also leave and just walk around the woods if he wants. So not much of a

Speaker 1 solitude, like darkness retreat. The guy who owns it comes with food once a day and then provides the person in the solitation confinement, whatever jail.
We'll just say jail, just so it's clear.

Speaker 1 He provides the person in in jail, Aaron Rodgers in this instance, a thought starter. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And people who have been interviewed said that those thought starters, he'll just say like a limerick or something.

Speaker 2 Well, you know who the person that they interviewed was? Colin O'Brady, the guy that walked across Antarctica? Yes. That's the guy that started the Everest equivalent.

Speaker 1 Yes. And he also,

Speaker 1 Colin O'Brady was quoted in this article, and it was like an all-time sick flex where

Speaker 1 he was talking about all the things that he's accomplished.

Speaker 1 and he was like yeah you know people think it's tough to pull a 375 pound sled across Antarctica but they don't realize it's really the mental toughness that's why I did this like oh thank you for mentioning that you went across Antarctica with 375 pound sled but I am I think I want to do this for a night Yeah, I mean, you're just talking about turning off the lights and going to sleep.

Speaker 1 You're talking about sleeping.

Speaker 2 I'm talking about I go on a darkness retreat every single day. It's right that I've found to hack my body's circadian rhythms to figure out how to get more in touch with the global calendar.

Speaker 2 You just turn off the lights at night and then you close your eyes and it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 I actually have this in my house down to the Scott Berman where my son walks in.

Speaker 1 He's a little troll that walks in and just gives me a little limerick in the middle of the night that's usually, dad, can we get up? And then I think about it and I'm like, no. Darkness retreat, done.

Speaker 2 So everybody made the joke, like, this sounds like he's training to live in New York City. Yeah.
Since he's in a 300-square-foot apartment that's dungey.

Speaker 2 It's damp, it's completely dark, and it's boring. This is actually the size of my first apartment in New York City.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 If you don't count the bathroom, I had a bathroom, not to brag, so I had one door, but it was about 300 square feet,

Speaker 2 and it was like partially underground. I lived there for a year.

Speaker 2 Don't feel like I got any more clarity about my life after staying there, other than the fact that I don't want to live in New York for the rest of my life. Let me ask you a question, though.

Speaker 1 So you lived there for a year. Did you at any point say, Man, I wish I could play football for $60 million? Yeah, I say that every day.
Okay, so there you go. So, it's complete.

Speaker 2 So, it does work. So, it absolutely works.

Speaker 2 Okay, so if you spend like a good portion of your life living in a 300-square-foot place with no lights, you're either going to play in the NFL or you're going to work for Barcelona Sports. Yes.

Speaker 2 That's kind of that's we have a lot of people out there that live in that lifestyle.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the only thing was missing is the mice. Yes.
Because that absolutely is what he should have had if he's planning on living in New York City. So

Speaker 2 why go to Oregon for this? Because this dude is acting like he's sold out for the next six months.

Speaker 1 I know why.

Speaker 2 Oh, legalized hallucinogen.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's the psychedelics or decriminalized.

Speaker 2 Okay, so that's bullshit. That should not count as a darkness deprivation retreat if you're turning your mind into its own playground.

Speaker 1 It's actually, again, it sounds like a fucking kick-ass weekend. Oh, I'm going to go and sleep, and then when I'm not sleeping, I'm going to take mushrooms.
Yeah. That sounds awesome.

Speaker 2 This is actually, they should market themselves as being the after party for a bachelor party. Yeah.
Like come to Oregon, sit here in my tree for two days.

Speaker 2 I'm going to give you food and water and by the time you leave you're going to feel fantastic. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's either that or my long-standing idea is that if we could ever get medical science to focus on the important things after a bachelor party, if they could put us into a medically induced coma where like, you know, when someone has a spinal injury and they and they bring your body temperature to like 86 degrees, I would love to do that for two days.

Speaker 2 That's how I feel about the entire football offseason. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Just put me in that coma.

Speaker 2 Get me to September, baby.

Speaker 1 Well, that's, I mean, this is football offseason because we're talking about Aaron Rodgers coming out of his hole.

Speaker 2 That's true. Like, that's it.

Speaker 1 That has happened. And he is, I'm fully prepared for him to go back to the Packers and win an MVP.
Because it feels like this is just the cycle that we're in.

Speaker 1 And he's probably going to be phenomenal next year. And then we're going to do the whole thing the year after and year after and year after.

Speaker 2 He's also upset at the media for judging him.

Speaker 2 But I feel like if you put it out in the media that you're going on a four-day darkness retreat and only last two days in the darkness retreat, you deserve to be kind of raked over the coals for that.

Speaker 1 I, for one, cannot believe that Twitter and podcasts made a bunch of jokes about this.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 It's unfair.

Speaker 2 I mean, I thought he was fucking with us at first.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I thought he was just making this up entirely, knowing that we would all make our jokes and then he would be laughing at us, being like, look how I trolled them.

Speaker 2 No, this is like, this is a field day for us.

Speaker 2 We should be thanking Aaron Rodgers actually for giving us something to talk about this week.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 I was going to say the only other thing, we had a couple other things to talk about. One is, hand up.
We probably didn't do a great job of explaining the Alabama situation.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that was going to be my fire.

Speaker 1 I'm retiring from

Speaker 4 commenting on active.

Speaker 1 active criminal investigations.

Speaker 4 Hand up, I'm going to say it. The names were too similar.
I messed up the names like three different things.

Speaker 2 Miles and Miller?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I can see that

Speaker 1 was

Speaker 1 a mistake. Hand up.

Speaker 4 We should not

Speaker 4 be commenting on active murder investigations going on.

Speaker 2 It was not Brandon Miller that said that there's a bullet in the chamber. No.
That was Miles. Yes.
Saying it with his

Speaker 2 mother.

Speaker 4 Miles is Miller. They both start with MI.
I'm not a world-renowned educated person or good reader.

Speaker 2 And I fucked it up.

Speaker 2 The car was also, one of the cars at the scene of the crime was Brandon Miller's that was found boxing the other one in that had a bullet hole in it so it for some reason his car was there too it's not like he's not implicated at all right but he did not text him like the guns ready to be fired and the and the story so there's two things hank one spin zone for you and for this show in general Alabama fans, and this is just sports fandom, they will

Speaker 1 read everything and find the best possible version of events to then defend their guys. Totally understand that part.

Speaker 1 We provided them some big-time fake news. Like, look, the media is spinning this the wrong way.

Speaker 4 They want me to get sued for libel.

Speaker 1 Right. So, we, so, so, that, you, Alabama fans should be thanking us because you can't get mad when someone just says the facts and they're like, this is a bad situation.

Speaker 1 Natos has handled it incorrectly. That's not really like something that can be argued because it's just kind of a fact.
Like, his press conference

Speaker 1 was tone deaf and he had some stupid answers with the Boys Will Be Boys kind of shit. But you can point to this podcast and be like, these guys got it wrong.
Look at what the media is doing.

Speaker 1 So you're welcome, Alabama fans. We did get it extremely wrong.

Speaker 1 Everything wrong.

Speaker 2 All the details were wrong, basically, except we got the state of Alabama correct.

Speaker 2 Now, it actually is interesting because if this happened to any other fan base, then Alabama fans would be saying the exact same thing that like Tennessee fans.

Speaker 1 That's how fandom works.

Speaker 2 That's how fandom works. Like if it happened in Knoxville and it was a Tennessee player, you bet your ass everybody in Alabama would be like, that kid should not be playing for the rest of the season.

Speaker 2 Like kick him out of school.

Speaker 2 But when it happens on your own campus, you get more, you read more about the facts of the case and then you find the little cracks that you can use to justify why this kid's being railroaded a little bit.

Speaker 2 Now, I'm not saying that he's being railroaded entirely, but I am saying that if you're a fan of that team, there's enough out there for you to look at and to say, well, of course they shouldn't put him out.

Speaker 1 You basically get to spend a week saying, well, actually, on the internet.

Speaker 2 And if he was...

Speaker 1 To us, mostly.

Speaker 1 And if he was the eighth guy on that team he definitely wouldn't be playing no no but no because he's a star and he's very very good and he's really good they're keeping him in 40 last night against south carolina and like it you just see it you watch if you watch him play you're like yeah that guy's gonna be an awesome nba player hank i i have another spin zone too okay i disagree with you though on one point i think we actually should do any breaking news any legal matters hank explains i think that should be a segment on this show it is good legal protection for us yeah It's like, well, we definitely, Hank's definitely not going to get it right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Like, Hank, a breaking news happens.
Tell us what happened. And then we just get it all wrong and we go from there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, the names against the.

Speaker 1 You're a Roger Cossack. You're a Roger Cossack.
You are

Speaker 1 our legal analyst.

Speaker 4 I was doing some review, some internal watching the tape, and I was cringing at myself when I realized.

Speaker 2 I thought it was like two people.

Speaker 4 But it was also the third, the Miller, really.

Speaker 1 This is one of those situations where we have to row together as a team because you were giving us the recap and getting everything wrong.

Speaker 1 And PFT and I were sitting here being like, oh, that's interesting. Oh, good point, Hank.
Like, we're just as much to blame as you.

Speaker 2 We're to blame for trusting Hank. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's our biggest crime in this situation. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm not an active.

Speaker 4 I'm a post-like once the trial's done, then I'll report.

Speaker 4 I think the active stuff is where I will.

Speaker 1 And you're pre, pre-law. Right.
And we can't, to borrow from Nate Oates, we can't control what happens outside of this podcast room.

Speaker 1 So we don't know what Hank is doing in terms of his law degree outside of here. Yeah, Hanks.
As far as we know, he's a jurisdiction.

Speaker 2 Hanks will be Hanks. That's what we've taken away from this.

Speaker 4 My other spin zone is I actually think this helps his draft stock.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Go on. Think about all the attention he's getting.
Everyone knows who he is. And then after, you know, all eyes are on him, he drops 40.

Speaker 1 Actually, I don't totally disagree because, again, as we...

Speaker 1 I didn't know who he was before.

Speaker 4 You know, I knew who he was. Like, I knew the the top, you know, the projected lottery picks.
I didn't know too much about him. I watched the whole game last night and was like, wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 This guy is going to be a great in the NBA.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 if we believe

Speaker 1 the course of events that his lawyer put out there, and I'm just saying, I don't, I, we're right back to square one right now, but uh, he really, he, he has not been charged with anything.

Speaker 1 He, it seems like he didn't do anything wrong. It seems like

Speaker 1 it was a fucked up situation, tragic situation, and his name is involved. He did answer a text with someone saying, you know, like, hey, can you bring my gun?

Speaker 1 He's like, yeah, well, I'll be right there. But either way, maybe that's not even wrong.

Speaker 1 Either way, I think the story, again, is how Nate Oates has handled it more than anything.

Speaker 2 There's that, but there's also the aspect of just the student codes of conduct. And like we've seen when we went to Ohio State, we saw like, you know, the teams have their team rules.

Speaker 1 Oh, Urban was very clear. No guns.
No guns.

Speaker 2 Yeah. A lot of teams.

Speaker 2 A lot of teams have an absolutely no guns policy. That doesn't count finger guns.

Speaker 1 And also doesn't count for when Urban was at Florida.

Speaker 2 Yes, correct. Yeah.
And if you're really good. And you're really good.
No guns if you suck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's kind of a fair rule. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, basically, yeah.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I'm sure that Alabama has some sort of policy like that, which they will choose not to enforce on Brandon Miller because he's really, really good at basketball.

Speaker 1 That would be funny if Urban Meyer, like when he was coaching Ohio State, like the minute you get your 50th Buckeye on your helmet, it's like, well, you can have a gun. Yeah, you get a gun.

Speaker 1 He's handy one.

Speaker 2 I'm curious to know.

Speaker 2 We got Billy. He's in a hotel room in D.C.
right now with Dugues. Billy, you did put out a TikTok about how Nadoates had sought counsel with some legal advice of his own.
Is that correct?

Speaker 7 Yeah, he sought out counsel from Ray Lewis, who had been in a quote-unquote similar situation.

Speaker 1 Okay. So I was thinking about this.

Speaker 1 Actually, not the worst person to talk to if you're discussing murders on a team, but probably not something you want to say out loud.

Speaker 2 Ray Lewis is a great person to talk to if you want to hear somebody speak emotionally for five minutes, feel better afterwards, but then not understand a single damn thing that you said.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 And also,

Speaker 1 who was after him

Speaker 1 with the Hall of Fame speech?

Speaker 2 Was it Peyton? I forget who followed him up.

Speaker 1 Who just like, it was like brutal for him. It was like, shit.
Maybe Ray Lewis went last. He just had the sweat towel out.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think he did go for...

Speaker 2 Was Was that Michael Irvin?

Speaker 1 No. No, no.
Ray Lewis had the sweat towel out and he was going forever.

Speaker 1 He had like the, he had, um, he had like the, the priest or the, the pastor, the big-time like TV pastor microphone because he was like, I'm going to be walking around. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's really going to explore the city of Canton in the speech.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So he, he talked to Ray Lewis about how to handle a situation like this with the media or what was, what was the conversation about? Do we know?

Speaker 1 How to not have murder charges stick?

Speaker 7 Maybe like dealing with committing a murder after the fact, like from a player's standpoint.

Speaker 1 It's basically like, so you bought a house. What now? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 2 manslaughter for dummies.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right, right. So a murder has happened.
What next?

Speaker 2 They should have talked to Marvin Harrison. He'd be a more appropriate person to discuss it with.
Yes.

Speaker 7 I mean, by that logic, like, why didn't he hit up O.J. Simpson?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, he probably knows that he's went off.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I would say that would probably be the next call he makes.
But it was, we did get everything wrong.

Speaker 1 Brandon Miller is playing.

Speaker 1 He hasn't been charged, so I don't really know. I mean, it is weird that he's playing.

Speaker 1 It feels like Alabama maybe should have just been like, let's take a quick timeout, like a quick, you know, maybe one game, just reassess.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's just a bad situation all around. Right.
And it's a legally ambiguous situation, too, where it's going to be very tough to prove.

Speaker 1 Especially when Hank's. Yeah, Hank's very ambiguous.

Speaker 2 Hank has definitely muddied the waters enough to the point where nobody really knows what's going on in this case.

Speaker 1 So you might be working for hours. You might get it thrown out of court.
Yeah. They're like, we don't really know the facts.
We listened as per part of my take on February 22nd.

Speaker 1 Who's to say what happened?

Speaker 2 A little piece of free legal advice here.

Speaker 2 If you're a lawyer for Brandon Miller, you can say, well, the entire jury pool is tainted in Tuscaloosa now because the whole town listens to Hank on part of my take. Right.

Speaker 2 And now they all have a preconception of what happened that night, and that's not actually the events that took place.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you're an Alabama fan listening to this right now, you need to download, subscribe, resubscribe, and listen to Wednesday's show like a billion.

Speaker 1 Like, that should be our highest-listened show, and then we could actually prove this in court, that

Speaker 1 we have led the people of Alabama astray, mostly Hank.

Speaker 2 It is weird because it sounds like it's going to be tough to prove that a crime was committed by him. Right.
Because it's not illegal to give your friend his gun. Right.

Speaker 1 It wasn't.

Speaker 2 Unless he knew that something was was going to happen. But that's where it comes in, where it's like, how do you prove that he knew that something was going to happen?

Speaker 2 But then the car at the scene also adds in another wrinkle. It sounds like a nightmare, really, to be able to sort through all those details.
At the same time, you can probably say

Speaker 2 if he wasn't on your team, he probably shouldn't be playing right now. Right, right.

Speaker 7 I have a crazier take that might take some heat off Hank.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 7 People are forgetting that the boyfriend in the car also had a gun and shot back.

Speaker 2 Right. You return fire, which is, if you get shot at, you're allowed to return fire.

Speaker 7 I know, but so like his lawyer could prove in court that he may have flashed the gun before and everyone gets off.

Speaker 1 Well, that was, I think that's what they're trying to do. I think they're saying it was self-defense.
But it's either way, it's a tragic, tragic situation. And yeah, we got a lot wrong.

Speaker 1 So hand up on us.

Speaker 2 Our first time for everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We've never gotten any fact.
That was the first, seven years of doing this podcast. That was the first time we got a fact wrong.

Speaker 2 We're like Lenny Dykescrew. We're 503-in-1 on murder cases.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we almost got it.

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Speaker 1 Okay, other thing I had. We have big-time mock draft movement going on.
Hank's boy, Anthony Richardson, went from I think it was like 100 to 1 to be the first pick to 8 to 1 to be the first pick.

Speaker 1 He's now been thrown around there in mock drafts.

Speaker 1 It's my favorite time of year to watch as the draft guys get involved and start clipping stuff and putting it on Twitter

Speaker 1 and talking about the draft. And you're like, wait, but I watched him play.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's certain guys, this happens almost every season where the longer they go. Exactly.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I don't think he's the first overall pick.

Speaker 2 The longer they go between playing actual football, they get better at football. Right.
So this happened with, I think, famously Tom Savage. Remember Tom Savage? Yep.

Speaker 2 Pittsburgh quarterback, right? And I think he got, he like shot up five rounds over the course of like a three-month period where he just went and trained with Trent Dilfer or whatever.

Speaker 2 Anthony Richardson, he's got a live arm.

Speaker 2 I saw, I've seen the comparisons to Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 And I kind of like that, just like putting him in that discussion. In my brain, just when you link somebody to Josh Allen, he jumps up top 10 in my book.

Speaker 2 And I don't, I've watched him play. Hank, you've watched him play.

Speaker 2 I would not touch him with a 10 foot pull.

Speaker 1 All right, so pro Anthony Richardson side, cannon arm,

Speaker 1 can run, can make all the throws. The game against Utah was phenomenal.
The game against Florida State, I don't think I've ever seen a wide receiver group drop more passes.

Speaker 1 The con against Anthony Richardson, it's something that I believe very strongly in.

Speaker 1 Show me a quarterback who played at power five who was average, who then ended up having an incredible career.

Speaker 1 And I'm not saying, like, the reason why I say incredible is if you're the number one pick, you should have, like, you're projected to have a very good NFL career. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so that's like, if we're talking about the 20th pick, that's different. Brock Purdy.
Brock Purdy. He actually was pretty good at Iowa State.

Speaker 2 He was okay, but he definitely wasn't. I mean, he there's a reason why he was Mr.
Relic.

Speaker 1 He peaked out.

Speaker 1 We still got to find out if Brock Purdy is the dude.

Speaker 1 So Tom Brady is one that gets thrown out. He's good, though.

Speaker 1 I would still contend he was good, and he also got fucked over because they did the platoon with Drew Henson in his senior year, where they basically were like, well, this kid's from Michigan.

Speaker 1 He's going to be the best of all time. Let's play him.
Let's start a game where Tom Brady starts and then Drew Henson will come in for the second series.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it doesn't happen often.

Speaker 1 It doesn't happen often. Like Daniel Jones is a case where Daniel Jones was average at Duke, and he just finally had his first.

Speaker 1 So maybe he will be the guy who goes on and has like an incredible career. It's just,

Speaker 1 I think the drafts, like all that stuff matters because at the end of the day, you do want a guy who can make all the throws. You want a guy who's faster than slower.

Speaker 1 Like all these things, hand size, we joke about it. I'd rather have a guy who has huge fucking hands than small hands.
But the football you play should still matter a little bit.

Speaker 2 There's the draft guys, when they get involved, they always just look at traits. Right.
Like, I'm just looking at all the attributes.

Speaker 2 They're looking at essentially Madden ratings on a quarterback and not watching as much. They don't put as much stock into watching film because it is football.

Speaker 2 So there's 10 other guys on the field that he's playing with. So there's variables.
But he also,

Speaker 2 he misses a lot of throws. He's got a cannon for an arm, so he can throw it, you know, 70 yards.

Speaker 2 But it just, as far as like the eyeball test goes,

Speaker 2 I should put a caveat out there where the commanders are looking for a quarterback. If we draft him,

Speaker 1 I'm going to have to walk back all these times.

Speaker 4 You guys are going to trade up?

Speaker 1 I'll help you with that. I know we're getting Lamar.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know if you listened.

Speaker 2 No, he didn't. He didn't listen.
You just spewed

Speaker 1 facts about Alabama basketball. That's all I've done.

Speaker 4 He just said if we get him, you'll be pumped, but you would have to trade up to number one.

Speaker 1 I guess at the end of the day, this isn't like a crazy take that it's just hard to figure out what quarterbacks to draft because it is, and it's a very 50-50 proposition in the first round it's more that like anyone who thinks that uh only the combine matters is an idiot and anyone who thinks that only college football matters an idiot there's it's gotta both have to matter yeah is really kind of where i land where how how does a guy go from

Speaker 2 like go up to a number one in the mock draft with not have having played any football in the last you know three months i'm gonna withhold judgment on anthony richards until he does his pro-day workout okay and he has one really sexy throw he's got got the Zach Wilson.

Speaker 2 You know, he's going to have a sexy ass throw. Yeah.
And then I'm going to be all in on him. Right now,

Speaker 2 I've already fallen in love with Joe Milton. I'm already circling him.

Speaker 1 I mean, Joe Milton's got a hose.

Speaker 2 Did you see that he threw an orange 120 yards? I believe it. Before the orange bowl? I believe it.

Speaker 2 They put him on the practice field at the end of the end zone, and they said, How far can you throw an orange? The man throws an orange 120 yards. I don't need to see anything else from the guy.

Speaker 2 I want him.

Speaker 1 I just, yeah. Yeah.
Joe Milton's got an absolute hose. I like watching Joe Milton play just because it reminds me of when you accidentally mashed the buttons in Madden too hard.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you just hold Y.

Speaker 1 You throw a screen pass 100 miles an hour.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Hank, look up that video of him throwing an orange. It's the most impressive thing I've ever seen on a football field.

Speaker 1 That's a big one. Yeah.
That's a big statement to me.

Speaker 2 He's number one on my big board right now for next year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that was the only other thing I had. I mean, there's NBAs coming back.

Speaker 4 College basketball. It's a long NBA break.
You think so? It felt long. It felt like Tuesday and Wednesday.
I know.

Speaker 4 It always

Speaker 2 seems long. I did see that me and Big Cat had similar takes about how to fix the NBA All-Star game and tie it into their contract.

Speaker 2 My idea was that, one, well, you like the Nets on fire, so it looks like NBA Jam. That'd be sick.

Speaker 1 Oh, not the franchise.

Speaker 2 Not the franchise. They did that themselves.
Two, what you should do is

Speaker 2 you should award the winning team. Every player on the winning team should get one year off their contract to become a free agent.
So they hit free agency one year sooner.

Speaker 2 And then that would incentivize them. I don't think that the, I almost said the O-word, the governors would ever agree to that.

Speaker 1 No, they wouldn't. They wouldn't agree to any of these ideas because my idea was.
But that would fix it. Yeah, the dunk contest should be the winner of the dunk contest gets an

Speaker 1 all-time for the rest of their career. Like, basically, trade me to that team, and it has to happen.

Speaker 2 Or, yeah, just give maybe the winning team, they all get no trade clauses. Yeah.
So they can control their own destiny. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like that too. Yeah.
Guys would play, guys would compete.

Speaker 1 Are you ready for the home stretch NBA, Hank? It's a lot at stake. Giannis getting hurt helps you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, the East is going to be gauntlet. I think there's three really good teams, and getting to the finals is going to be tough.
Hopefully, we play the Suns.

Speaker 4 This is when the Celtics turned around last year, so I'm excited.

Speaker 2 Why do you want to play the Suns?

Speaker 4 I just want to go back to Arizona.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Golf? Yeah. That's it?

Speaker 2 It'd be a fun series.

Speaker 4 And I don't want to play the Warriors. I mean, the Warriors, like, I feel like the Warriors are the Celtics kind of boogeyman.
So I think we could beat anyone else.

Speaker 1 We would have to scratch and claw to get into the real playoffs. But I don't want, I hope they don't.

Speaker 2 A lot of disrespect being thrown at the Bucs recently.

Speaker 1 A lot of

Speaker 2 11-game winnings treatment.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, well,

Speaker 1 Giannis having a wrist injury definitely hurt.

Speaker 2 It's not that bad because he did start and score the first two games of the All-Star game. Yeah, two points.
Where they just treated him like a make-a-wish kid. Yes.

Speaker 2 Let him drive to the hoop and dunk it and then checked himself out.

Speaker 4 Kevin Love on the Heat. It's not, you know, it's a good addition for them.
them. Yeah, it's not.
I mean, they're already a good team. They added a great, great player.

Speaker 1 What about, we haven't done, I don't think we've done this yet on the show. Let's do predictions for the NBA Finals.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Celtic Sons.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go Bucks Sons.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go Bucks. I want to save my nuggets.
How do you guys like?

Speaker 1 Oh, you rude against our friends.

Speaker 2 You're against our friends.

Speaker 4 Blake of the year is on the Celtics. You guys have no respect.

Speaker 1 No respect.

Speaker 2 That's actually a fair point.

Speaker 1 All right, Celtic Sons. Thank you.
I'm going to go.

Speaker 1 You made a very fair point. Just remember it next time.
You besmirch Jared Goff's name, Props Kepka's name.

Speaker 1 What? Yeah, no, no, no. Just remember this.

Speaker 2 You hate all of ours. Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 Just remember this, Joe Burn. J.J.
Watt. J.J.
Watt. Just remember this.
Mr. Portnoy.

Speaker 2 I'm going to say Suns win. This is Chris Paul's year.
I mean, Chris Paul's got all the ingredients there.

Speaker 2 Chris Paul's going to win.

Speaker 2 Congratulations to the Suns. You've got KD, and more importantly, Chris Paul.
This is the time where he puts it all together for sure and wins a championship.

Speaker 1 If the Suns do win, I think we should just, as a podcast right now, decide that we'll have Russilo on right after, and then we'll just pretend his internet connection's bad. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 We can't hear you. I mean, it's got to be.
The Suns are definitely going to win, right? Yeah. Chris Paul? They're definitely going to win.
AJ Titties Baby's coming out. She's going to be

Speaker 1 ready to go.

Speaker 2 I've been saying that we should get AJ Titties on the podcast to do a deep dive into what happened in that house.

Speaker 1 How many dicks were sucked?

Speaker 1 Chris Paul's addicted to going to to the NBA Finals. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 If it's not the Suns, I'm going to say I'm going to stick with My Nuggets. My Nuggets over Hank Celtics.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and that's the big, like, everyone's getting pre-mad right now about Jokic winning a third-straight MVP, which I think is... I think we looked it up last night.

Speaker 1 It's Larry Bird, Wilt, and Bill Russell, I think, are the only

Speaker 1 players that have won three consecutive MVPs.

Speaker 1 But people are getting pre-mad because they're like, if he wins an MVP and they don't get to at least the conference finals, this is a sham.

Speaker 1 Again,

Speaker 1 it's a regular season award. Like, that's just what it is.

Speaker 1 Remember, actually, remember back in the day when they would have, they would do, they changed this probably the last 10 years or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 They would have the MVP come out in the second round and accept their MVP, and Dirk had to do it after he got bounced by the Warriors.

Speaker 1 And it was like, well, this is awkward. Yeah.
Like, it's a regular season award.

Speaker 1 Finals MVP,

Speaker 1 I'll say it, means more to me than the regular MVP.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like the president's trophy in hockey. Right.
It's a regular season thing. It doesn't always mean that you're going to get to the finals.

Speaker 2 It doesn't always mean that you're going to win the finals.

Speaker 1 He's averaging a triple-double. It's insane.

Speaker 2 Well, Westbrook did too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that was a little bit different.

Speaker 2 It was.

Speaker 1 It was just stat chasing.

Speaker 2 I still like my Nuggets, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so wait, what's your final prediction?

Speaker 2 I'm going to say my...

Speaker 2 I wanted... My heart's been with the Nuggets because I've been on them for like a year and a half.
Yeah, stick with them. But I just don't see see a way that Chris Paul loses.

Speaker 1 No, but you got to stick with them.

Speaker 2 Okay, Nuggets.

Speaker 1 Because if the Nuggets make it to the finals, people be like, but you got off.

Speaker 2 Nuggets over the Bucs.

Speaker 1 Because, like, what's the downside of the Nuggets getting bounced early? You're like, well, I'm just a rider-dying guy.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry for believing too hard in my guys. Right, right.
I think the altitude makes a difference. It's going to be nuggets over the Bucks.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Jake and Billy, you want to do your NBA Finals prediction?

Speaker 7 Celtics Lakers.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 23 most important games in LeBron's career coming up. I'm going to be watching this.
I will hawk for that load management.

Speaker 11 I will go with Warriors over Sixers, and the city of Philadelphia completes the Super Fect of second place.

Speaker 1 No, yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a 0% chance it's Warriors Sixers. And clip this.
That's fine.

Speaker 2 What about your hometown team, Jake?

Speaker 1 What the fuck? Yeah, what about the heat? Heat culture.

Speaker 11 Obviously, I want the heat.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you don't. What would you rather? Sounds like you definitely don't.

Speaker 2 Jake, what would you rather have the heat make it all the way to the finals and lose, or the Sixers beat the Heat, make it all to the finals and lose?

Speaker 11 I'd rather the Heat go farther.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, the Heater,

Speaker 1 they're not.

Speaker 1 I think it's

Speaker 1 Celtics Bucks drop-off. Heat.
Heat, Sixers, Cavs, Cavs, Cavs should be

Speaker 11 seven games behind Philly right now.

Speaker 1 If you were ranking contenders in the Eastern Conference, would the Cavs not be...

Speaker 1 I agree. Celtics Bucks is the...

Speaker 1 Those are the two best teams. Those are the teams that I trust the most.

Speaker 1 A little step down, the Cavs have to be mentioned. Hank, what the hell is this? You were Cavs guy last year.
I know.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 They got rid of their leader.

Speaker 1 Their veteran leader.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Hank, on your golf vacation that you took in Arizona, did you happen to leave your wallet behind in Arizona?

Speaker 4 I did not. Okay.

Speaker 2 That would be an issue for your sons.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm not rooting. I mean, I want the sons.

Speaker 4 I've always liked Kevin Durant. I have no no issue with Chris Paul.
I like the Suns.

Speaker 1 You literally

Speaker 2 go on a golf vacation.

Speaker 1 I do have.

Speaker 2 When in the history of this podcast, have we ever. Now I'm gone to the location of the NBA final.

Speaker 1 Now I'm switching back.

Speaker 1 I'm going Suns Bucks again because that would be funny if the Suns clinch before the Celtics Bucks series ends and Hank's like, I got my Arizona trip planned.

Speaker 4 I did. I think I talked about it on the show.
I accidentally,

Speaker 4 in the sports book, I I was looking at futures and I was looking at the Nuggets Championship, and then I entered that and I was like, you know what? I'm not going to bet them to win the championship.

Speaker 4 I'm just going to bet them to win the Western Conference Finals. Accidentally did both for a lot.
So I have a big,

Speaker 1 I'm just hoping I get in a cash out situation.

Speaker 4 Like, I have a big Nuggets conference finals future. And accidentally put the same amount on the Nuggets to win the championship.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 4 I'm just trying to get them to a cash out spot so I can negate some of those.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. So you're going to be a big Jokic is a fraud if they get bounced in the second round.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I need him to make the conference finals.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes. Memes, who do you got?

Speaker 12 Mavericks versus Knicks.

Speaker 1 Oh. Okay.

Speaker 1 Wow. I mean, I didn't see that one come.
I like it. I like it.
We got some. We really should have just figured this out beforehand and just had like every iteration and just said all of them.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we could clip it. Maybe we'll do that as a...
a social clip after. We'll just say every permutation.
We called it. We got it.

Speaker 1 All right. Should we get to Max Homa? Great interview coming up.
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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on

Speaker 1 a recurring guest, very good friend, very, very special guest, but this is the first time in person. It is Max Homa, winner of the most tournaments in the last, what is it like?

Speaker 6 25 months.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's kind of specific. Yeah,

Speaker 1 what happened 26 months?

Speaker 6 It's like,

Speaker 6 what was the old Kirkjin MOB stats where it would be like, he's hit the most home runs on Thursdays after 9 p.m.

Speaker 6 They fit me in. They like me on social media, so they make me seem a lot better than I am.

Speaker 1 So wait,

Speaker 1 who won all the tournaments 26 months ago?

Speaker 6 Probably Rom.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, okay. So Rom's got you.
But yeah, you're on a hot streak. It's good to finally have you on in person.

Speaker 1 You are a good friend of the show. Do I get my shirt now that we're all together?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's on the way. It's on the way.
I think we sent it to L.A. You're in Arizona.

Speaker 1 So you probably missed it. That makes sense.

Speaker 2 We gave it to Kyrie. He was going to bring it out.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's me.

Speaker 2 Are you going to go to Dallas? Yeah, you can pick it up there. Maybe it's Max.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Maybe it's Max.

Speaker 1 I like the hat. You're wearing the positive vibes only hat.
Let's start here. Do you think that you need us to stop being mean to you, or are we the last podcast that actually gives you the truth?

Speaker 6 No, you're the only ones to keep it real.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're on every show now. Yeah, you're on every show.
You're a slut. Yeah, exactly.
You are. I'm even on the couch.
Yeah, you're on the couch. Yeah, exactly.
We're going to need to see some ID.

Speaker 6 That's weird that you know how that starts.

Speaker 1 Who doesn't know how that starts?

Speaker 2 I don't know what you guys are talking about. Put it on the list.

Speaker 1 Hank, put me and Max on the list. I just skip that part.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What are we talking about? But

Speaker 1 we're going to keep pushing you because we want a win in Augusta.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's all that matters.

Speaker 1 That's it. Road to Augusta.

Speaker 6 Is that it?

Speaker 2 Is that like if you were to pick one tournament to win, it's Augusta?

Speaker 6 That's not it. I'll take any of them.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I mean,

Speaker 6 that and the open

Speaker 6 are my two favorite events.

Speaker 6 But yeah, the Masters is special. Plus,

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 6 It's an interesting place.

Speaker 6 It's just like the city of Augusta has nothing except like Augusta National.

Speaker 6 But ever since, you know, I played my first two years there were like the COVID year, so it wasn't like a lot of wasn't a lot of fans. It was kind of dull.
I don't think Tiger played one of the years.

Speaker 6 And then last year was like my first real one, it felt like. And

Speaker 6 you start to get what all the hype's about. But like I said, I'll take any of them, but that would be...
That would be definitely way up on that list.

Speaker 2 Have you thought about what your champions dinner would be?

Speaker 6 I have, and that's my promise. I don't have like some of these guys have, all these guys are so damn rich now too.
They're like, oh, you know, I got the chef from my favorite restaurant.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, like i don't who meets the chef at their favorite fucking restaurant like i just eat it and then leave yeah and tell my friends about how good it was so i don't know what i would do um you know i'm half jewish so maybe i'd throw in like my mom's matzo ball soup oh that would be good yeah i'm not sure how everybody would feel about it but uh i think i'm gonna be a very boring they everyone always does like a steak a fish i'm gonna have to call somebody to figure out what kind of wine uh is real good.

Speaker 6 I'm not really sure what I would do, but that's a problem I would fucking love to have.

Speaker 1 It would be very funny if you served the Matzo Ball soup and like Fuzzy Zeller was like, How the fuck did he get anything? We don't let what the fuck is going on around here?

Speaker 2 So you're like 50% happy that Kyrie didn't code the Lakers.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 Maybe even 51%.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, what did you think? So we're going to run this probably in a week or two, but this is a timeless tweet. Your king, LeBron James, tweeting, maybe it's me.

Speaker 1 It's as pathetic as it gets for the Lakers right now. Well, do you feel pathetic? You should, yeah.

Speaker 6 I always. Um,

Speaker 6 the funny part about like people today on the range, you know, they're like, man, Kyrie, like, didn't go Lakers. I'm like, was he gonna fucking fix us?

Speaker 1 Like, I don't think we're one piece away here.

Speaker 6 No, um, so no, it wasn't super devastating. Uh, obviously, Kyrie and I have our background.
Uh, he likes movies I don't like as much.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 6 so it wasn't like devastated, uh, I, but now it's exciting because like you just never know with some of these players like Pat Bevs on our team and like him and Russell Westbrook seemed like they hated each other and now they like each other, I think.

Speaker 6 So that's exciting. So getting to watch like the car accident.
I feel like this could be a car accident.

Speaker 2 I mean, just give it a week.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and you just never know.

Speaker 1 And then I'm just like, the best part was this, it was going so well. Yeah.

Speaker 6 He's like, yeah, fuck this. I can't do it anymore.

Speaker 1 So I love that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's exciting for sure. I read something.
I actually just Googled your name earlier. That's the prep that we do on this show sometimes.

Speaker 2 You just signed up to play in Tiger Woods Monday Night Golf League.

Speaker 2 Can you walk me through what that means? I know it sounds like it's golf on a Monday night.

Speaker 6 So far, so good.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 Him and Rory

Speaker 6 are building

Speaker 6 like a small basketball court arena where there'll be live like people in like live there, and then it'll be broadcast live. So it's basically a simulator golf league.

Speaker 6 So they, I don't know who is doing, I think this company called full swings doing the technology But you'll hit and you'll play like an alternate shot It's six teams of three alternate shot in the simulator, but they also have like the putting and and

Speaker 6 And chipping and all that so I guess it's pretty extensive stuff. I wouldn't understand until I get there, but it'll be obviously mic'd up.
I'm bringing some flavor in. I'm

Speaker 6 I do believe that some of these guys are

Speaker 6 They they they seem funnier because everyone laughs at their jokes. Yeah.
Like I'm still up for debate if,

Speaker 6 you know, Tiger is super funny or I just laugh a lot. Yeah.
I haven't got comfy enough with him to dissect. Was that actually a good joke or is it just Tiger and I got a giggle?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, because we do have to keep it real with you, are you a little nervous?

Speaker 1 Because remember, you basically cried at the British Open because you got to stand next to Tiger Woods and then you missed the cut. And he bodied you mentally.

Speaker 1 I think I might have said some things leading up to it. I whooped his ass at least.

Speaker 6 I beat him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you did, but you missed the cut. And we said that that was going to be, you were going to let the moment get too big.
So are you a little nervous?

Speaker 1 Like, you're going to show up this Monday night league with Tiger and you're going to become a puddle again.

Speaker 6 I wasn't until you just mentioned it. So now I might need to make some phone calls.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 That's going to be tricky. I will say, though, that there is no cut, which is

Speaker 1 good for you. That's kind of perfect.
That's a great spot. Yeah, that's a perfect spot.
All right, sweet.

Speaker 6 Can I give you just one thing now that we're in person? Because Caleb started this shit about the, you know, work-life balance. You never make cuts.

Speaker 6 I think I've only missed cut once in like the last, I'm going to to jinx my shit out of the Phoenix Open, don't bet me.

Speaker 6 For like six or seven months, and I still get the, oh, ho, look at you playing golf on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, all right, man.

Speaker 6 Like, I do it.

Speaker 1 Listen, we're still occasionally. I like it.
We just keep with the story. I mean, we still were waiting for Gonzaga to make a Final Four.

Speaker 1 It's going to be sick. Dude, I wasn't even born, I don't think, when they made their last Final Four.

Speaker 2 I still think Peyton Manning hasn't won a Super Bowl. Yeah.

Speaker 2 There are certain takes.

Speaker 1 You guys have.

Speaker 6 I listened to this way too often. I told you guys, I was listening listening on my way over to the Josh Dumel one.

Speaker 6 And it is weird how some of your guys' takes are like in my head because I'll be like, has Peyton Manning want to fucking see that?

Speaker 1 No, he hasn't. He has to think about it.
The best guy.

Speaker 2 I'd say it's him, then Dan Reno.

Speaker 1 Best guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wait, so, all right.

Speaker 1 The Monday Night Golf League, do you think Charlie will be there? Can you make an intro? He's a huge fan of ours. We've been.
I actually did see that.

Speaker 6 That was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 We're big Charlie guys.

Speaker 1 Charlie's next up. He's going to come and beat your brains in.
Like, just so you know.

Speaker 6 What a unique take that Tiger Woods' son is going to be really good at golf. No one else has said that.

Speaker 2 No, Charlie's going to be better than Tiger.

Speaker 1 He's the fucking thing. Better than Tiger.
Better than Tiger and Jack combined.

Speaker 2 He's going to be better than you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, so

Speaker 1 let's just get this out here right now because, you know, we consider you a friend and we love having you on. But if Charlie

Speaker 1 even like bats an eyelash at us, you're gone.

Speaker 6 See if I'm going to be.

Speaker 6 I imagine that this Monday Night League, if like Charlie gets the night off of school and he's like, you know, Dad, I want Max's Max's spot, like, yeah, I'll just be gone, which is actually pretty exciting.

Speaker 1 And we'll caddy for him, yeah, yeah, perfect. No,

Speaker 1 we will sell it.

Speaker 6 That is your guy's caddy spot, is where you don't actually have to carry a bag. We just sit there and drink.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we can just roast the other competitors.

Speaker 2 Caddying in an indoor golf simulator league?

Speaker 1 Yes, sign me up.

Speaker 2 That's it.

Speaker 6 I need you guys to do that one night just to see how many minutes Tiger lets it go on.

Speaker 1 You're in the league. Get us on your bag.

Speaker 6 So they finally signed me and then first day, hey, so got one request.

Speaker 2 is kind of crazy what golf or dimpleheads, parverts, what are we calling ourselves?

Speaker 1 Parverts, we're perverts are good.

Speaker 2 We're so in tune with golf. Like, we discovered you out of nowhere, and now we discovered Charlie Woods.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's pretty cool. You know what we're talking about?

Speaker 6 Yeah, you guys are molding the future of the game. I have a funny story about that parverts thing.

Speaker 6 Also, sidebar, pretty cool getting called a pervert every fucking week. You refer to my wife and my family, and people have to explain it.
But I was in Nashville this last weekend,

Speaker 6 and

Speaker 6 this guy walks by me and he goes, Hey,

Speaker 6 you, Max Homa? And I'm like, Yeah. And he goes, You want to pardon my take later? And I'm like, I don't know what the fuck that means.

Speaker 6 And then, and then he, and all my friends are there, and they're like laughing. And he goes, Uh,

Speaker 6 he goes, uh, couldn't be the real Max Homa if you don't know what pardon my take is. I'm like, No, I know what it is.

Speaker 1 That's a weird thing to say.

Speaker 6 I was like, I just don't know what we would do about that.

Speaker 1 And I was like, Are you trying to do an hour-long podcast?

Speaker 6 It's like, I'm fucking busy. Dude.
And then I see him maybe an hour later back on Broadway.

Speaker 6 And he walks by me goes hey he goes he goes i realized what i was supposed to say and i'm like what he goes pervert

Speaker 1 i said what the fuck just happened

Speaker 1 he owned you yeah no when you did uh russilla's life advice and you guys were talking about like hecklers and you're like i like when people say something original and in the back of my head i was like he's definitely saying that like all the awls just need to come up with new jobs the only one joe can't stand uh my caddy joe can't stand uh when people just yell everyone yells big cat says hi.

Speaker 6 And it's not because it's like what it is. It's like a very, you know,

Speaker 6 that's nice. Like, that's a nice plain one.

Speaker 6 I reached out to every single person. Yeah, so he always says that.
He's like, it's the thousandth time, and there's no fucking chance Big Cat told him to tell hi.

Speaker 6 And he doesn't go on Twitter ever, so he'll sometimes ask me, like, did Big Cat tweet today, like, tell Max hi?

Speaker 1 No, I'm going to. Fuck.
That's fine. I'm not going to hear any more than I already hear.

Speaker 1 I think with the pervert, we just got to keep hammering the pervert. That is like to just get called a pervert.
There you go. That's pretty cool.
You have to have like an explanation.

Speaker 2 You have to have like a card to hand to people to be like, this is why they just call me a pervert.

Speaker 6 Here's an explanation.

Speaker 1 Well, I am Italian.

Speaker 2 I mean, there's a really easy way to fix all that, and that's just to win the Masters. And then everybody will just be like, well, he's not a pervert anymore.
He's Masters Champion. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Those are the two stages of golf now.

Speaker 1 I either

Speaker 6 imagine that's how that's going to end.

Speaker 1 It saved Tiger's career.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think I'll just be called the most perverted Masters Champion.

Speaker 1 No, Tiger. Yeah, Tiger.

Speaker 1 That's fine.

Speaker 1 Listen, we're in the same boat. We don't bash tiger anymore because his son loves us.
He clearly doesn't

Speaker 1 ever say anything bad about him.

Speaker 2 When you think about Charlie is the direct product of Tiger being a pervert.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But we also

Speaker 1 do have a kid, I guess. So

Speaker 1 sliding out. You've proven you're a pervert.
So you do actually maybe have to ask Charlie, like, does he like because there's a theory that he might like. I don't think I talked to Tarthi.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, you do. No, no, you do.
Yeah, this is it. Can you send him this message?

Speaker 1 There's a theory that he maybe likes pardon my tape because we bust his dad's balls. So we need to know if we need to go further.
You know? So finally.

Speaker 6 He just texted me back.

Speaker 1 He said yes. Okay, all right.
So yeah.

Speaker 6 Push the limits.

Speaker 1 Tiger's a sex act. You need a rival.

Speaker 2 You need like, back in the day, there were, you know, Tiger had like a thousand different rivalries.

Speaker 1 We might be. Yeah, we are.
We are. Yeah.
We are.

Speaker 2 Should I throw a tea at you?

Speaker 1 I bet on you.

Speaker 1 I root for my bets to lose. Because I'm like, do I want money or do I want to bash max bashing's more fun

Speaker 6 i'm with that is that like crossing a major line in golf somebody throws a t at you it's on site um i think the lawsuit parts are definitely like a bit ahead of the t uh but i mean i guess i didn't know i've never had somebody throw a t right at me uh and he rifled that thing yeah that was the sad part of the fucking video was so he just like dropped it just like tossed it like i had to read about this all morning and this is what it was uh but you know i think it starts with the lawsuits pretty far up the list i put t's probably like like, we're a pretty benign sport.

Speaker 6 It's probably still second place, but it's just way further.

Speaker 2 The lawsuit was on Thanksgiving and the lawsuit on Christmas. Like, he timed that out.
He might send you one to Hanukkah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Do you feel lame not getting a lawsuit?

Speaker 1 Like, you kind of suck.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that actually is kind of funny.

Speaker 1 You're left out of the party. Yeah.
Like, he's just a bad thing.

Speaker 6 So one day I want to be like the bad boy. Like, I want to.
Yeah, I got subpoenaed. Yeah.
Yeah. What are you going to do about it?

Speaker 2 So they have rules.

Speaker 2 You have to wear pants when you go off. Can you wear jeans?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 6 No denim.

Speaker 2 No denim?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're anti-jinkos. Wow.

Speaker 2 Because that would be really like wear some serious, like cool old-school skater jeans. You're instantly street red.

Speaker 1 I'd definitely probably still have some. Yeah.

Speaker 1 When do you think people are going to turn on you?

Speaker 1 And will we get credit for being the first? It'll definitely. Yeah.

Speaker 6 You guys will lead the mob with the fucking fire.

Speaker 6 It'll happen. I think, honestly, I think maybe when I do, if and when I do win a major, because I feel like then people will like, people always start to hate you when you start playing well.

Speaker 6 Like, you always get like a weird crowd of people who's like, no, that guy's not that fucking good. He's an asshole.
And it's like, well, I feel you loved him like a month ago.

Speaker 6 And now, so maybe that'll be it, but that will be another thing.

Speaker 1 I'll be, it'll be cool.

Speaker 6 I'll be cool people hating me if I had won a major and I could just shit on you guys all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I don't think, but I'm not sure. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to push limit, but could be any day now.
It could be tomorrow.

Speaker 1 I actually don't think people are going to ever turn on you. Thank you.
I truly believe that.

Speaker 6 Straight up the nicest things ever turned on.

Speaker 1 No, I truly believe that.

Speaker 1 You are refreshing for golf and you're fun to listen to. And yeah, you might do too many podcasts, but that's okay.
Everyone has their faults. You need faults.
Yeah, right. Exactly.

Speaker 1 But no, I do think, like,

Speaker 1 I would imagine you've had, have you had like sponsors reach out, like, trying to get in the Max Homa business?

Speaker 6 Yeah, but I tell them all the time that my fee back to the Pardon My Take podcast is just too damn high to be accepting any more money. So

Speaker 6 my checking account is closed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, alright, so let me ask the question this way: when do you think you're going to get so rich you stop answering our text messages?

Speaker 6 Never your guys. It's maybe Will's.
Okay.

Speaker 6 When I saw Will earlier, we're doing something tomorrow. Yeah, bust.

Speaker 4 I already have the.

Speaker 6 I'm not going to spoil it, but I have an entire idea. It is going to be just one long

Speaker 6 running joke that he'll probably hate by the end of it.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Well, he may not know.
Or I know what it's probably about. He's not.
Yeah, which would be better than what he's not.

Speaker 2 He's a football player.

Speaker 6 It would be fucking perfect if he didn't.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do do you get recognized a lot now?

Speaker 1 Uh yeah.

Speaker 2 Like outside of a golf environment?

Speaker 6 Yeah, going back to just the guy screaming pervert in my face in the middle of Nashville. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So yeah.

Speaker 2 When did that start?

Speaker 6 Uh far too long ago considering people

Speaker 6 had I had too big of a fan base for how not great I was at golf.

Speaker 6 So it would be even weirder to have people want to take pictures with you and then every one of your friends be like, why the fuck do they want to take a picture with you?

Speaker 6 And I'm like, because they liked my tweet one time, like back in the day, they two agree about some dumb shit I've thought up. So, yeah,

Speaker 6 it's definitely growing, but I don't know. I still like to at least put myself out there a little bit.

Speaker 2 Do you think that that's had an impact actually on your golf game?

Speaker 2 The feeling that you're super well known for being like the funny golf tweeter and you're like, shit, now I got to actually get rid of that.

Speaker 6 Old running joke that's still true is I just always want to be as good at golf as I was at Twitter. So I'm trying to like level those two out a little bit.
So that, yeah, it's definitely motivating.

Speaker 6 You also do get, you know, I am like lucky that it doesn't matter on social media what I do, people are always like pretty nice to me, but there's always a few guys in there, of course, who will say some shit about, like, you know, he sucks, he's not even that good.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 that is definitely a motivating factor when you write something very benign about, like, hey, you know, the sun is quite warm today. Right.

Speaker 6 And then everyone's like, oh, ha ha, Max, like, so fucking great.

Speaker 1 What a great point.

Speaker 6 And then one guy's like, oh, yeah, well, you still fucking suck at golf.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, shit.

Speaker 6 All right. Well, I can either stop tweeting or I can just get better at golf.
And I don't really want to stop tweeting. So I'm just going to get a little bit better at this game.

Speaker 1 Well, I think you did it. Like, it's interesting because if you look at your career and what you've been able to do the last 25 months, and like, you are legitimately a very good golfer.

Speaker 1 Like, you are, what are you? Top 15 in the world then? 12th. 12th.
So you're 12th in the world right now. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 I think if you were that good right at the beginning, you never would have tweeted and you never would have shown your personality.

Speaker 1 Because like golfers that are that good right away and they're winning right away, you never get to know them because they become like so corporatized right away.

Speaker 6 I also think like, you know, like comedians, a lot of them say like they're depressed. So I think a lot of funny starts with like a lot of sadness.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 So most of my tweets started with just like constantly having the weekend off to think. And then I would probably mask all the sadness with like,

Speaker 6 hey, how about that sun being so hot?

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. That would, like, I'd be like, oh man, this guy's so relatable.

Speaker 6 And I was, because, like, I didn't make very much money and I had a lot of weekends to tweet. So I was, I was, I feel like I was right in the sweet spot.
But yeah, I agree. I, I honestly don't know.

Speaker 6 Some people ask me, like, what would you tell a college kid coming out about like what they should do with social media? And I'm just kind of like, fuck, maybe, like, don't go on it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Cause it is, it is, it's sad. Like, the whole reason for it has been great, like, for everybody.

Speaker 6 Like, social media is awesome, but there's so much of it that is just a cesspool of like angry people i'm sure you guys get this too but like i have never really had somebody come up to me and say anything that mean and like sometimes i have to remind myself part of get honestly getting like recognized in public and and and taking pictures or whatever has having that happen more often has helped because i think like sadly you only notice the shit people say and when i realize i'm like dude everyone is so nice and like personable and they just like there there's fans of golf or whatever and it's just like man that's that's like refreshing because it is weird these people like they look up to you guys like you guys are like a big deal to them and there'll still be people in there saying like oh barcel's stupid and they they only do x y and z and it's like no one ever actually would say that because they don't act i don't even think they actually believe it they just like they have to be different and and hardo i don't know it's it's like truly it sounds cliche but it's hurt people hurt people like whenever someone tweets really mean shit at me i'm like like this guy's going through something like I've actually reached, like, there's been a couple times where I've, I remember there's one kid who was like tweeting mean shit to me at like one in the morning.

Speaker 1 I was like laying in bed and I was just scrolling Twitter. And when it's like that late, you can, you see the like four tweets.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I went to his timeline and he was tweeting like really depressing shit. And I hit him up.
I was like, dude, are you okay? And he was like, yeah, I'm not. Like, I'm not okay.

Speaker 1 Like, like, that, and it kind of like put a face to it where it's like, yeah. Like, this makes sense.

Speaker 1 Like, if you're angrily tweeting at someone at one in the morning, you probably have some shit going on in your life that's not going great. So, I have a little sympathy for it.

Speaker 6 That is a good point.

Speaker 6 But it's also almost always the political activists on Twitter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 6 They also, that, uh, man, that's nice of you to do that. I've never thought to do that.
Uh, yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 I actually, I actually,

Speaker 6 I get it. I mean, it does make sense.

Speaker 6 I mean, most people, even in real life, like if you're an angry person, it's usually because like some, you know, your wife just yelled at you.

Speaker 6 So you're like the yelling, uh, whatever it is, the thing from How I Met Your Mother, the fucking yelling train. And it's just like,

Speaker 6 I don't know, man.

Speaker 6 I think it's a great tool. I think it's also like, I'm fucking 32 years old.
I grew up on my phone.

Speaker 6 It's fucking fun reading all your guys

Speaker 6 like tweets and

Speaker 6 sports takes from all over the world. Like, I love all that stuff.
So it's like, I'm not going to get off of it. But it is so wild how people just decide, like, this is the time.

Speaker 6 Like, this is the time. I'm going to say some shit that I would fucking never say.

Speaker 1 Yeah, try to really hurt this person's feelings.

Speaker 2 I think sometimes it's people that just, they need an outlet to get some takes off. Yeah.
So they'll like tweet like, fuck you, Max. I fucking hate you.
You fucking suck.

Speaker 2 And they'll put their phone down and go back to their daughter's birthday party.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And they're like super happy in that moment.

Speaker 2 But then they meet you face to face and they'd be like, oh, Max, I love you. It's just like, whatever.
I need to type these words in this box. Yeah.
Get sent.

Speaker 2 It's going to make me feel good for whatever reason.

Speaker 6 The Creed.

Speaker 1 They need to do the Creed thing.

Speaker 6 Like, all these fucking angry people just got to type it into Word and like send it to Ryan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. So

Speaker 6 we can figure out the anger problem in this world real fast.

Speaker 1 But I'm telling you, so to finish that story, I think I've told this before, but I, so BetterHelp's a great sponsor of ours. I told the kid after he was tweeting me mean stuff and I DM'd him.

Speaker 1 I was like, dude, I'll buy you a month of BetterHelp. Go, and he, it, like, was a success.
He was like, he hit me up like two months later. He was like, dude, I feel a lot better.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm really sorry. It was like, yeah, this is, we shouldn't interact like this.
You know what I mean? Like, interacting anonymously online is probably not healthy forever.

Speaker 6 That is a, that's actually really, that's really cool. I need to do it to the other 3 million people that

Speaker 1 it made me feel like, hey, if this is what this case was, it probably happens. Yeah.
For sure. And it's like, you got to put it into perspective that people are just going after you for no reason.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 except us. We're going after you for a reason because we're rooting against you.

Speaker 2 We're going to get back to Max's.

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Speaker 1 We just got to stay consistent, you know, because I don't want you to get.

Speaker 6 I want you guys to be genuine and just say how you feel. And if it's mean, that's fine.
If it's nice, that's fine.

Speaker 6 I would be so upset if all of a sudden you guys basically did to me what you're doing to Charlie Woods and just like, no, you'll never be talking about it.

Speaker 2 You'll never be Charlie Woods in our

Speaker 1 Charlie Woods. We've been Charlie Woods fans for 13 years.
13 years. Yeah, 13 years.
His entire life. We have been rooting for Charlie Woods.

Speaker 6 Do you know there is a Charlie Woods Twitter account, but it's not, it's obviously not him?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we run it.

Speaker 6 Oh, do you?

Speaker 1 Because it actually would make sense.

Speaker 6 It is fucking hilarious. We're like, talk shit about people all the time.

Speaker 1 You got to look it up after this because it is really funny.

Speaker 2 You should start a Twitter account, Charlie Woods Goat, and just put all these stats up about how he's the best of all time at his age.

Speaker 1 You should. Of course.
That's not creepy, is it? Yeah. How old is he? 13, I think.
Yeah, it's not creepy. You guys would know.
Yeah. Charlie Woods and Web Minana.
Those are our next ups. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Another.

Speaker 2 You got to get on him young. You got to start.
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 You think that guy's going to be pretty good at basketball?

Speaker 2 He's going to be the best of all time.

Speaker 1 Really? And I'm a Jordan guy, but I'll concede Wen Binana is he's he already might be the best.

Speaker 2 He's the best prospect.

Speaker 6 Wow. I'd love that you guys are going to be in my town the week LeBron breaks the scoring record.

Speaker 1 Wait. What town? In Phoenix.
Oh, in Phoenix. Next week.
I'm in L.A., we're not going to be.

Speaker 6 I get to feel your guy's sadness.

Speaker 2 I personally don't care. Yeah, I've noticed that.

Speaker 2 He's a stack compiler.

Speaker 1 Right. And when you don't go to college, which is not something we should be aspiring for, we should have people get educated in this country.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait. What college did you have? What college did Wembanyana go into?

Speaker 1 Wembanyana, I think he.

Speaker 2 He got studied abroad, so international education. They do it differently in France.

Speaker 1 Yeah, don't, listen, you can't change the goalposts on me here. LeBron didn't go to college.
That's why he has that many points. If he was studying, he wouldn't have that many points.

Speaker 2 But, I mean, it's not like Kareem was, what, one and done?

Speaker 1 Oh, no, wait, he went all four years.

Speaker 2 He went all four years at UCLA.

Speaker 1 And MJ, what? I think he was three years, so hmm, that's interesting. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 1 And also, LeBron might do steroids. We don't know.

Speaker 1 Maybe make that the headline.

Speaker 1 Max Homa asked, did LeBron do steroids? That would be the headline of the YouTube.

Speaker 6 All jokes aside, could you imagine if LeBron would have played like three years in college? What that would have looked like?

Speaker 1 It would be awesome.

Speaker 6 It would have been so much fun.

Speaker 1 What would have been the coolest thing?

Speaker 1 I wish someone would do this if LeBron had just gone to Akron for one year and just see how far a talent like that could take a max school like imagine if Akron goes to the final four with LeBron they beat Gonzaga to the final four yeah right they get to the final four with four that would be crazy I mean even like you know uh the ball brothers they went to Chino Hills high and like you know that's basically where I'm from ish and so my friends would like I've had friends go to their games to watch like the family and They'll be like, dude, we got here at so-and-so time.

Speaker 6 And like, there's fucking thousand people for this high school gym just trying to to get in it's like i don't know if you ever been to the drew league but that's how going to the drew league is to the high school in compton and it's just like you would i you would never really go there and you show up we went to a morning game and uh apparently harden cp3 and westbrook were coming through that night and uh we were we were like man i don't know if i'm gonna stay for nine hours and we left and uh the guy's like yeah you you will never get bucking back in this gym like there's gonna be so many people here and it's just like crazy so it'd be fun to see like, you know, not like Duke, not like Kansas, where you got these big arenas, to see, like, a see what the turnout would be would be nuts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 When do golfers peak? When do we peak? Yeah, is there like, is there like a 17-year-old golfer out there that's got all the tools?

Speaker 6 Uh, there is like an 18-year-old kid that's real, real good, Akshay Batia. But he's been, he's been pro for like, maybe he's 19 now, like two or three years.
Uh, it's getting younger and younger.

Speaker 6 They just did a stat on uh on uh the top 15 in the world in golf right now for men. The average age is like 26, and I'm the third oldest.

Speaker 1 Whoa, that's weird.

Speaker 2 I feel like for a long time, golf was like a middle-aged game.

Speaker 6 That's about 33, 34. I'm just old school, man.
I'm traditionalist.

Speaker 6 I hit my stride when I got a three in front of my age.

Speaker 2 You're building a sustainable game, one that you can play. Like, have you had to change your swing?

Speaker 2 Because you're like, well, I'm crushing the shit out of the ball, but I won't be able to do this for six, seven years.

Speaker 6 No, I think that's also why I don't feel old yet is because like my body hasn't broken down.

Speaker 6 But that's that's what's scary is if these kids are that good when they're 22. And, like, I was thinking about this the other day.
I was like, man, in four years, let's say I'm 36.

Speaker 6 I was like, am I still going to be fucking like working at it like this? Because if I slow down, I'm already like scratching to stay up with some of these kids. But

Speaker 1 you're 12.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but

Speaker 6 I work my ass off.

Speaker 6 Like,

Speaker 6 I outwork the 20-year-olds.

Speaker 1 The problem is that they have

Speaker 1 a lead on me.

Speaker 1 You got to think the mental game because remember we had you on I think it was like maybe six months ago and we talked about like the changes you've made and how the mental game will like the the last 25 months is a lot the mental game like

Speaker 1 That has to be an advantage compared to the young kids because wouldn't you say that kids are also dumb still yeah right but wouldn't you say during your 20s like the mental game was you probably weren't great at it yeah my mental game was just getting beers later yeah right tucking that away right uh tweeting on Friday nights.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I definitely, that is an advantage. I definitely, it's been interesting.
My good personal friend Aaron Rodgers was telling me a couple years ago.

Speaker 1 Sandbagger.

Speaker 1 He's a sandbagger. Why does everybody care?

Speaker 1 You said yourself that sandbaggers are pieces of shit and should go to jail on the Rasillo podcast.

Speaker 6 I thought I said prison, but

Speaker 6 the,

Speaker 1 I don't remember what I was saying.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah, mental game's important.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wait, what did Aaron tell you?

Speaker 6 Just like what, like, he was helping me one time. I was asking, I was like, how the fuck do I get better than so-and-so? And he's like, go find what they're not good at.
Be so significant.

Speaker 6 Like, make that your strength. And then, and then like, that's how you'll like create an advantage.
And what's funny is you get higher and higher and up. And it's just like

Speaker 6 people don't have big strengths. And I can't like quantify how good someone's mental game is, but that is becoming like a thing.
I'm seeing that like

Speaker 6 it might not be something you can put a number to, but

Speaker 6 it's a noticeable difference when I'm out there when I'm at home like confidence does go a long way and and I think some people uh like just in in in life have that like fake confidence we all know those people who like Billy they say

Speaker 6 Billy no Billy's delusional

Speaker 6 Billy's is like he's like clinically he was like

Speaker 6 he would be like diagnosed with being confident I'm not sure like

Speaker 6 so so but like mine is like true because I've gone from like zero confidence to like some So, like, I know mine's like a genuine confidence. So, I feel like that helps.

Speaker 6 Where sometimes people you'll probably meet and you're like, oh, that guy's so confident. And to the same thing as the tweeter guy is like, man, fuck, maybe he's not.
And, like, this is masking it.

Speaker 6 So, I think mine is cool because I do have a foundation based off of a bunch of shit of no confidence, hitting the ball bad, all this stuff. So, like, when I do play well, I feel like I own all of it.

Speaker 6 I feel like I've heard athletes talk about that.

Speaker 6 Like, when you go through swing changes, when you go through struggles with your shot in basketball or something, like once you like have to relearn how to do it, if you can make it better, you start to know: hey, I'm doing X, I know exactly how to not do that or do that better.

Speaker 6 And that has helped me because I feel like I'm like learning all of these things, which has been

Speaker 6 an advantage for sure.

Speaker 1 So, like, in just in terms of how your confidence in mental game has grown, is it as simple as bad shot, you're able to just overcome it right away?

Speaker 6 A little bit.

Speaker 6 It's ever-changing, but I would say like the general crux of the idea, I guess, would be that

Speaker 6 I need to put more value on how many good shots I hit.

Speaker 6 And I think that's hard. When you play,

Speaker 6 I said this when I first turned pro, and what really fucked me up for a while and like sent me down a rabbit hole was I went on to the driving range,

Speaker 6 and I don't mean like we just won. It's like a, we call these like metaphors.

Speaker 6 And I went on and I was just like, oh man, I would see so-and-so hit a ball, and I'm like, fuck, man, like, I need to hit it like that.

Speaker 6 And I see somebody chip, I'm like, god dang, I got to chip it like that. I got to put it like that.
Like, these guys are so good at that.

Speaker 6 But I'm looking at like the three guys who are the three best at those things. You absolutely do not need to be the best at every area of the game to be successful.

Speaker 6 So I'm chasing something that I know like that that was unattainable to be that good.

Speaker 6 Honestly, but besides Tiger, Tiger's the only person in history that's been the best at like four to five things in golf.

Speaker 6 Like it's it's super impossible, except maybe for Charlie, I guess, to your guys' point.

Speaker 6 So it's like, it's like now, I don't know.

Speaker 6 That's the tough part about like the youth come up is you don't know yet what great golf is and then you start to play and you're like fuck man i've been like it's been here the whole time i'm just like chasing something that's not really real and it's helpful because it's motivating but it's not helpful because it's not realistic and uh you might already if you ever make it in any area of your life like you're already doing something good just build like be the best you push push that as far as you can i'm not gonna ever like hit a driver like roy mckelroy he hits it way further than me higher all these things but i can i can do things within myself to get the ball in the hole the same amount of times he does and like that's kind of the game yes i mean that's it's a very healthy perspective it sounds like you've you've learned that uh by just knowing that all the work that you put in that nothing that you're doing is a fluke yeah that gives you an advantage and that's hard i mean that imposter syndrome like i have it a billion percent but i you hear so many people do josh dumel on your guys' podcast like that's he's he's literally preaching imposter syndrome this guy is really good actor he's incredibly hot and uh very like and he's like man i just don't know if i could be an actor right it's like i think they could just put a fucking picture of you up there for an hour and a half and there'd be at least be a turnout of women yeah that would be like fuck this is a good movie yeah and guys they'd be like this is my new favorite movie uh so i don't know i think that A lot of that just kind of comes from

Speaker 6 just a natural thing. But there's, again, there's positive that.
Fuck, it makes you work really hard because you're scared it's always going to go away.

Speaker 6 But part of it is like, you know, the whole Kobe Bryant stuff, like how we talk about

Speaker 6 he puts in all these hours that when he plays the game, he can turn his brain off and just play it. Right.

Speaker 6 It's like I do those things and then I get in the game or on the course and I think to myself, it feels different today. It's like, dude, just at some point, like my putting coach had the best,

Speaker 6 one of the better things I've had a coach tell me on Saturday morning before the final round of farmers, my putting stroke, it didn't feel good Friday and then it didn't feel very good Saturday while I was warming up and I texted him a video.

Speaker 6 I said, Does this look okay? And all he wrote back was, It looks plenty good enough to make a lot of putts today. Like, just go fucking putt.

Speaker 6 It was weird. I was talking to him about it today.
I was like, It's weird how I needed that, but like, I wanted everything to feel perfect and to be perfect.

Speaker 6 And what I've worked on with my sports psychologist for the last couple months is like we've been talking about winning ugly.

Speaker 6 Like, I'm looking at it as exciting for a day where my shit feels terrible, and I can still be like, all right, I'm still beating your ass.

Speaker 6 And it's like, that's fun, but I am not, I've never been good at that because I think, you know, in the back of my mind, oh, it's a fluke. Like, today's the day, it's gone.
It's over.

Speaker 6 It's gone forever. And like catching that, catching yourself doing that, that's, that would be the confidence to be like, okay, I heard myself say it.

Speaker 6 She always tells me, she's like, thoughts can be thoughts and they can just move away. But if I catch that thought, I'm like, oh, no.
It's like, no, no, you don't just,

Speaker 6 that's your, that's like, that's your crazy side saying, that's it. That's, that's the asshole tweeting the thing at you.
You don't need to fucking take any stock in it.

Speaker 1 You, you just, You just explained why your mental game has become like gone so far is like that thought of I can win this without

Speaker 1 feeling perfect.

Speaker 6 You need to know that because we all have bad days where it's like you can still go out there and do your best that day. And then usually the next day you feel better.

Speaker 6 And you start to feel back to normal. But I mean, every day, shit.
Like some days with my kid, I'm like, like off. And it's just like...
I like grabbing for the diaper.

Speaker 6 I'm like doing things out of order.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, I don't put stock into it because it's right it's it feels more mindless right but when you're doing your your own thing It's like it gets it gets scary, but it's it's also I think why some people make it and why some people don't is like self-awareness in to me and in sports especially is a big deal because you need to be in your head without Fucking up your head.

Speaker 1 That's I mean, that's a great message.

Speaker 2 It's very profound. We're gonna distill this all down to Max Homa credits Aaron Rodgers for fixing his golf swim.
Perfect.

Speaker 1 A felon. He'd throw another one.
I'm in jail with him.

Speaker 2 He'd throw a different type of tea at you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Too you're picking up when I'm putting down.

Speaker 2 Would you ever take ayahuasca? Like, let's say you had the yips.

Speaker 2 Are we allowed to use the why word? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. You're asking.

Speaker 2 If you get the yips, are you, is, would you take ayahuasca to fix it?

Speaker 1 Does it fix it?

Speaker 2 Probably.

Speaker 1 Then fuck you.

Speaker 1 You know what? If you ever get the yips, here's what you could. We can be your sports psychologist for a second.
If you ever get the yips, just think about how much we'll be laughing at you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that will get you out of it. Because if you got the yips, oh my God, it would be

Speaker 1 like, it would be like, cancel all my plans. Tough day for me.
I have to sit here and watch Max have the yips.

Speaker 6 That'd be a tough day for me.

Speaker 6 I would immediately call you and say, could I have Billy's job?

Speaker 1 I'm out.

Speaker 2 I think that's when Billy tweets the very disturbing animal video.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I needed. Shock you out of it.
Punch me right in the face.

Speaker 6 You'd see me walking down the fairway. I'd look at the video right before I had every shot.

Speaker 1 No, that's the Harambe video. That's when he drops that.

Speaker 1 He's been waiting. Yeah.
Another banger. Holstering it.
How many times have you done ayahuasca?

Speaker 2 Ayahuasca? zero times. I don't think I ever would.
It scares me, actually.

Speaker 6 You don't look like you'd be scared of it.

Speaker 2 I'm 100% scared of ayahuasca. He's not a drug guy.
I'm not a drug guy.

Speaker 2 I ate cardboard and Qatar. That's as close as I'll come to taking ayahuasca.
How was that high? It was actually a really, really awful time to choose to do acid for the first time.

Speaker 2 You're in a foreign country where drug use is punished by beheading. You're around 70,000 strangers, your phone doesn't work, and you're being videotaped.

Speaker 1 And I can't watch the football game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that, that, yeah, and I couldn't watch the Bills game.

Speaker 2 That checks off like the entire, that's a clean sweep of places that you don't want to be when you're doing.

Speaker 6 If you're not a drug guy, it seems like you have to go out of your way to do something so dumb.

Speaker 2 Well, I am not actually a drug guy. It just so happens that every time I do hard drugs, it's on camera.

Speaker 2 I do my hard drugs off camera.

Speaker 1 So that's why I can skirt it.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, I've been unfairly, but yet quite fairly pegged as the drug guy. Yes.

Speaker 6 You get it, but it's not you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I do have an actual golf question. I have a suggestion.

Speaker 13 Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 You don't have to do it on camera, man. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 But it'd be a lot cooler if I did.

Speaker 1 That's a fair point.

Speaker 2 I have a serious golf question for you. Can you give us your top three fifth majors?

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 The Genesis Invitational, the Farmer's Insurance Open, and the Fortnite Championship.

Speaker 2 Oh, why'd you pick those three? I'm curious.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Man, I got a lot of majors. Yeah, I got a shitload of majors.

Speaker 6 I guess we can stop joking about that one now.

Speaker 1 That's the max slam. Clear, yeah, that is.
You win three.

Speaker 6 I dare somebody to not only play in all three of those, but win all of them.

Speaker 2 You're probably the only person to win those three tournaments in. Was that a calendar year or was that

Speaker 1 25 months?

Speaker 2 Yeah, 25 months. 25 months.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that'll be that.

Speaker 6 That's actually, that might be my new running joke. Yeah, just a moment.
If you can win those three in 25 months,

Speaker 1 leave off, man.

Speaker 6 That's the slam. I'll get you a jacket.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you need tips for the U.S. Open after I shot a 72 at Shinocock? Yeah.
That was pretty impressive.

Speaker 6 It was really impressive.

Speaker 6 People always tweet at me that it's fucking not real. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 6 I responded to yours the other day, and they're like, you know, he didn't do that. I'm like,

Speaker 6 yeah, he did.

Speaker 6 I don't know why you would immediately talk about haters.

Speaker 1 They just can't admit it. Here's the problem.
I post all my scores every time, real.

Speaker 1 People thought it was fake because two weeks later I shot a 136.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but we just talked about good days and bad days.

Speaker 1 Right. I watched one YouTube video, screwed me up, 60 strokes.

Speaker 6 Dude, you're, I mean, I did the same thing. I've done, I've literally done it.
The day after the farmers, I went and played golf and I shot 140.

Speaker 1 Right. I just shot 66 today.

Speaker 6 Just the fucking wing kept screwing with me and I didn't have my caddy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Happens.

Speaker 2 Another serious golf question. What's your favorite club?

Speaker 2 It's hard-hitting shit.

Speaker 6 Shit. Hawkes on pretty fun.

Speaker 1 TJ?

Speaker 6 I got a seven-wood, and it's my favorite because I love hitting it, but it's also funny because most people are like, you know, why the fuck would anybody have a seven-wood?

Speaker 6 It's like, that used to be back in the day for like the old men.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 But it's made a revival in this game. So I like it for

Speaker 6 both the practicality of it and for the content.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay, I like that.

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Joggers, polos, q-zips, everything.

Speaker 1 What are we realistically thinking about, Augusta, this year? I'm going to make a bet on you. I think you're like 33 to 1 right now.
Kind of disrespectful.

Speaker 1 Oh, I was going to say that was really fucking nice. No, that was just.
I thought it was, I was like, damn, that's disrespectful. Are we feeling confident? Did you make the cut last year? Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I remember we almost had the cut slam. Yeah, yeah, all right.
Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right.
You did. You did.
But then Tiger bodied you you because you just were like a little baby.

Speaker 6 Quick side on that, he played behind me on Sunday, and I finished, and

Speaker 6 he beat me by one, and there was like a long walk from like 18 to scoring, and I was there with my family, and I turned around because Tiger's walking up, and

Speaker 6 he is,

Speaker 6 it was the biggest limp I've ever seen in my entire life, and I was like, Fucking that guy just beat me, man.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 6 and then

Speaker 1 it wasn't a real limp.

Speaker 6 No, it was fucking accurate.

Speaker 1 It was Big Ben. No.

Speaker 6 But yeah, so realistically this year for the Masters, I will say

Speaker 6 I am, I mean, you can never know if you're just going to show up for one week and win it, but I am confident. I've had a very,

Speaker 6 I've had a pattern throughout my career of like being a slow learner.

Speaker 6 And as much as it was like a funny joke and I like, I indulged in the joke, making the cut in it and making the cut in a couple others for the year, like getting the taste of what four rounds in a major feels

Speaker 6 At the PJ, where I did play well, there was a part on the back nine where I thought if I like went full blackout, like I could sneak up to like the top leaderboard and at least play some of those holes down the stretch with like some kind of major pressure.

Speaker 6 Like I do think it helped. The Augusta Fitz My game, it is just a big,

Speaker 6 it's a big

Speaker 6 spot to be in.

Speaker 1 Okay, you got this.

Speaker 6 It's a big spot. But I do feel comfortable.
My golf game will be there. Yes.
I know that. So I just have to go make sure that

Speaker 6 I do the little things right that week. But again, part of it, like I said, I'm just a fucking slow learner.
So I just needed

Speaker 6 four rounds.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm picking up what you're saying. We're going to go top 10 this year.
So we'll bet top 10 not win.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 2 if Max plays his best golf

Speaker 2 and John Rahm plays like...

Speaker 1 His worst golf and Charlie Woods can't eligibly be in the tournament yet.

Speaker 2 Yep, I think you can definitely win.

Speaker 2 Would you say that at your best, peak max, max to the max, you could win at Augusta? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hell yeah.
Yeah, man. Okay, so just do that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, do that. Was that so hard?

Speaker 1 Why are you getting

Speaker 1 it out?

Speaker 2 You just won right now.

Speaker 1 You just won the tournament. I'm a family psychologist.
Yeah, great. You never even mentioned, baby.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 2 Listen, let us be the first to congratulate Max Oma on his master's championship.

Speaker 6 Thank you, guys.

Speaker 1 What are we having for dinner? Matzo Ball soup, baby.

Speaker 1 We get that thing ready.

Speaker 1 all right well max thank you i think you're gonna roast some golf swings right now uh best of luck we're rooting for you genuinely so we'll say the nice thing right now i'm genuinely rooting for you i genuinely like you as a person and consider you as a friend and then we'll cut that part and max you're you're you're not making any cuts oh i have one request yeah uh do we have the lottery ball thing here no we don't we already did it can i i'll we'll face time you next time we're in studio just keep the number 25 running and i want it to be hank i want 25 to hit before hank hits you're gonna beat him.

Speaker 1 I am so excited. Okay, awesome.

Speaker 6 I don't, I'm worried for you guys. You guys can.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. 25, 25.
25. You're going to win.
You get cash. Can't wait.
I don't want the cash. No, no, no.
We'll add it to your career earnings. Okay, perfect.
Yeah. 23 million.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 God damn it, Shane. Yeah, this will be perfect.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Jake, no, this is coming out

Speaker 1 two weeks from now. I just won on accident.
You just won by accident.

Speaker 1 All right, so for people who understand, we taped the lottery ball machine for two weeks because we're not in the office. Max has no idea because we taped it just between us.
We didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 He just said he wants 25. In two episodes from now, 25 will be revealed as a number.
You won by accident. How fucking easy that is?

Speaker 6 God, do you know any hard games?

Speaker 1 25. There it is, right there.
February 12th, 25. Super Bowl Sunday.
Idiot.

Speaker 2 You won the Super Bowl lottery machine.

Speaker 1 That's the biggest spot.

Speaker 1 In the biggest spot possible.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you so much, Max.

Speaker 14 Man, I'll tell you what. When you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts.

Speaker 14 That's where Snickers comes in, man. That thing is packed.
Roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk, chocolate. It's like the MVP of candy bars.

Speaker 14 And when you bite into it, boom, it sorts you out, gets your head back in the game of life, satisfying your hunger. Remember Remember this.

Speaker 14 Snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else. Snickers satisfies, man.
That's a winning play.

Speaker 1 Okay, Fire Fest of the week. I think everyone's excited to hear this one.
We have Billy and Dugues. If you don't know Dugues, I would say Dugues is...
quick organizational chart at Barcelona.

Speaker 1 He's probably the ninth most important employee we have. I love Dugs.
He's a ride-or-die guy. Dugs was tasked with being being in charge of Billy for his free beer outing.

Speaker 1 So usually we start with Hank, but I think we have to start Fire Fest this week with Billy and Dukes. So is there a Fire Fest?

Speaker 7 Besides the bad beat we had last night, not really. And I lost a bunch of beer chugging contests.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what was the bad beat? Just so we were.

Speaker 7 So if you didn't know, the PLL Championship Series is going on right now. In the first night of games, we watched the scrimmages.

Speaker 7 We were probably the only reporters who watched the scrimmages and also gave picks.

Speaker 7 And we won the first game. We had the Atlas in the first game, and then we had the Chrome in the second game.

Speaker 7 We put out a parlay and straight picks for the Atlas and Chrome. And the Atlas won big, and we were riding high, and we just needed the second leg of the parlay.

Speaker 7 And then the Chrome went up by like 10 goals in the second game.

Speaker 11 But then overtime,

Speaker 7 unfortunately, they lost by one goal. They tied it up.
So the Archers tied it up with like 10 seconds left. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They blew a 10-goal lead.
Yeah. 10-goal lead, 7, what Jake said.
So let me get this right. Are you guys telling me that your plan to break Vegas with the PLL Championship Series didn't work out?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I thought you guys ever saw this come.
Also,

Speaker 8 Billy's talking like... He was watching the scrimmages and was getting like inside information.
He was looking at his phone the entire time.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. No.

Speaker 7 We were looking up statistics and making content.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh. So we were watching scrimmages.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you were looking up statistics and making content. You were on your phone the entire time instead of being present.

Speaker 2 You're such a Gen Z. You're such a Zoomer, Billy.

Speaker 1 So I'm a Zoomer. All right, so Billy, you kind of buried the lead there.
You went 0-3 in Chugoffs. Terrible performance to not even get one single dub.

Speaker 1 Dukes, how was Billy entertaining clients at this function?

Speaker 8 He was really good at entertaining clients. I mean, I'll give him his part there.

Speaker 8 I lost him for a little bit

Speaker 8 throughout the night, which got me a little nervous where he was, but he was just doing chug-offs with the AWLs.

Speaker 8 I think one thing about the AWLs, if someone that's an AWL comes up to you and they look like they're husky and they're like, Billy, I want to do you in a chug off,

Speaker 2 they're probably going to win. Yeah.

Speaker 8 They know they're going to kick his ass in the chugoff.

Speaker 1 I like how you phrase that too. Billy, I want to do you in a chug off.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Billy, I mean, we tried to do, we tried to do a beer for every goal, like the Wade Boggs challenge.

Speaker 8 And I think like three minutes into the game, it was like 5-4.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I was responsibly mangled.

Speaker 1 Wait, did you guys... Hold on.
So you guys were going to break Vegas, but you didn't realize they score in lacrosse? No.

Speaker 7 Well, look, the new PLL Championship Series 6 is actually, I think,

Speaker 7 like the best lacrosse product I've ever seen. Like, I think it's going to replace

Speaker 7 the regular

Speaker 2 rules. This is so billy to like see one thing and be like, this is, this is the future.

Speaker 1 Everything's going to be future. It is.

Speaker 7 Like, you guys would enjoy watching it.

Speaker 1 There's tons of goals.

Speaker 7 We didn't know it's like all transition. It's more like basketball in the offensive play style.
And basically, we were like, okay, we're going to drink a beer for every goal that gets scored.

Speaker 7 And then literally, there were 90 goals scored, 45 in each game. All the overs that were posted were just destroyed.

Speaker 7 And it was awesome.

Speaker 2 And that's kind of how we were going go okay so we can only drink a beer for every five goals i i get that but also in lacrosse there's a lot of goals that get scored so a typical lacrosse game would what's what's like an average score jake

Speaker 1 12 11.

Speaker 11 i'd say there's like 20 total goals in a normal game yeah or take in this format it's going to be double you'll probably see each side score around 20.

Speaker 2 so when when billy came up with this challenge it was under the presumption that you would have to drink 40 beers in like two hours which is also not realistic i'm just justn't full-size beers.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's another caveat. They're probably like 10 ounces.

Speaker 2 Some would say that's an asterisk, then.

Speaker 1 You should have put

Speaker 2 an asterisk next to every single tally mark.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 And like with Billy, when he's talking about like the new lacrosse, it's for like the casual fan. There's obviously a lot of goals.
So I don't really know how much insight he's giving.

Speaker 8 Like, it was just cool to drink beers and we were pretty drunk and then watching a lot of people score goals. I was like, this is awesome.
I have a simple brain. I like beers.
I like goals.

Speaker 8 Like, this is great.

Speaker 1 They were shelling the goalies. Billy.

Speaker 7 I was concerned about goalie safety.

Speaker 2 They're like if Beavis and Butthead went to private school.

Speaker 1 Yeah. To choke.

Speaker 1 Billy, did you delete your treat like calling your shot that this was going to revolutionize lacrosse? I'm trying to find it.

Speaker 7 Maybe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because so

Speaker 1 yeah, the tweet. Okay, so the treat was essentially like, listen up.
If you've never watched lacrosse before,

Speaker 1 this new Champions League lacrosse will be the best lacrosse you've ever seen, and it will blow your mind. It's like, wait, but this hypothetical is I've never watched lacrosse before.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But it sounds like there was another reason why you deleted that tweet.

Speaker 1 It's like, if you've never seen lacrosse, this will be the sickest lacrosse.

Speaker 2 He said it.

Speaker 7 Let's just say, like, Virginia liquor license laws and certain terminology needed to be deleted.

Speaker 1 Got it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Somehow, Billy finds his way tangled up with the law everywhere he goes. So overall,

Speaker 1 how drunk was Billy Dukes?

Speaker 10 We were pretty deep.

Speaker 1 I asked Dukes. I asked Dukes.
I asked Dukes.

Speaker 8 I've seen him worse.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 He was able to entertain his clients at the very best, and he wasn't quite there.

Speaker 8 I would give him like a B a B plus.

Speaker 1 All right, so

Speaker 1 side note,

Speaker 1 what was he like when you've seen him worse?

Speaker 8 Yeah, it was it was pretty like he was just chugging whiskey the last time I saw him.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, okay.

Speaker 8 Wait, he's just doing respects.

Speaker 1 Respects.

Speaker 2 What about the beer pong? Did you guys play the giant beer pong game?

Speaker 8 That was the funniest part is that he was clamoring for this beer pong tournament. Like in the meetings that we had, they were like, what should we do to get fancy onto the beer section?

Speaker 8 He's like, I think we should really get like a beer pong tournament.

Speaker 1 Like people would love to be a song. It's like an SNL sketch.
Sketch.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they'd move on to the next part of the meeting. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But back to like the beer pong tournament.

Speaker 1 I would have put a pen on beer pong. I'll take notes on this meeting, and then you just look at his paper after it just says beer pong.

Speaker 8 And then the guy that set up the whole thing, we see him at the end of the night. He's like, did you guys enjoy the beer pong?

Speaker 2 Billy's like, nope, didn't even play it.

Speaker 1 Come on, Billy.

Speaker 7 No, but there was a there's cornhole you could throw bags and there was like big beer pong buckets where you could like shoot uh on the like it's different than table pong but really the best part was the seating and the beer garden like if you're gonna go to the plan definitely get a ticket to the bar down down beer garden because it is awesome.

Speaker 7 Like, you can, you're basically like right on the field and you feel VIP and you can drink like you're not a V by P.

Speaker 2 So, like, so what else do you guys have planned? Are you gonna do any sightseeing?

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He keeps mentioning, he's like, Do you want to go to the Capitol?

Speaker 1 I've never been there again.

Speaker 7 No, I've never been there. I want to see him for the first time.

Speaker 1 He's asked me like on the car ride up alone.

Speaker 8 He asked me like seven times. He's like, How funny of a bit would it be if we just stormed to the capital?

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 4 Why didn't you drive drive up with them, Jake?

Speaker 2 Good question, Hank.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah, good question.

Speaker 11 I was going to drive down with them, but Billy texted me the night before. He's like, by the way, there's a ton of dog hair in my back seat.

Speaker 1 It would have been like...

Speaker 11 I'm like, thanks for the heads up. So

Speaker 11 fortunately, I got a train book.

Speaker 7 It would have been really mean to make... like Jake just be allergic to dog hair for five hours.
Yeah. That sounds like hell for people who are makes dogs.

Speaker 2 With all the pressing to go to the Capitol, Billy, you are sounding like a Fed. You know that, right? Like it sounds like you're trying to entrap dukes into something.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I don't want to go with him. I feel like he's setting me up.
He is familiar.

Speaker 7 No, I think it would just be great to shoot TikToks on the Capitol Mall, like that area with like the monument and stuff.

Speaker 7 I really just want to take a picture and pretend that the Washington Monument, like lay down in front of it and pretend it's a penis.

Speaker 8 He's basically asking me to do like a picture for like the eighth grade field trip when you go to D.C. with your buddies.

Speaker 2 He did. Billy did say yesterday on macro dosing that driving through D.C., it's blown his mind because he's seeing the military-industrial complex up close and personal.
Oh, damn.

Speaker 2 He's getting all sorts of ideas about it. So I'm interested to hear what the aftermath of this trip is going to be like.
Maybe your whole perspective will be changed on stuff, Billy.

Speaker 8 Yeah. One other thing is

Speaker 8 for Jake's broadcast tonight, we're going to try to do like the longest snake cup ever at a PLA lacrosse event.

Speaker 7 So hopefully we get like at least 100.

Speaker 1 Okay, sick. Sick.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 memes found the quote. It's, if you've never experienced lacrosse before, you need to check this out.
It will be like lacrosse you've never seen.

Speaker 1 Which is actually factual because if you've never seen lacrosse before, it will be like lacrosse you've never seen.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's true.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I think this is how the game is going to be played in the future. Like, this is the best thing.

Speaker 1 So it's the future of the future of the sport.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's the best lacrosse product you can put out.

Speaker 1 It's like awesome. Okay.

Speaker 7 Which is a highlight machine.

Speaker 2 Sport of the future of the future. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Stick around because we're going to do the lottery balls in a minute. Hank, do you have Firefest or was it Alabama?

Speaker 4 It was Alabama. The other one I was going to say was that I'm all the way back in on Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 4 To tie up, go full circle with it. Stephen Shea, our resident draft expert, knows how much I love Anthony Richardson.
And like two weeks ago, I was like, you know, he also knows I love value.

Speaker 4 He knows my love for value. And he said, Anthony Richardson plus 10,000 or what, whatever, 100 to 1

Speaker 4 to go number one. And I said, say less, put it in.

Speaker 4 So now I'm, now yesterday, the news going, I, when I put it in, it was 80 to 1, I think, when he told me he put it in the night before. So I have it at 80 to 1 to win like six grand.
So

Speaker 4 yesterday, I'm all the way back in. It was one of those things where I was like, yeah, Anthony Richardson, he could have said anything.
And I would have been like, I'm in Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 4 And now I'm like reading all the articles, trying to just will him to somehow become the number one overall pick.

Speaker 1 Sounds like maybe for a little piece of that pie, we could start a draft AnthonyRichardson.com. Yeah, I'm down.
Okay. We'll think about it.
Can and arm.

Speaker 4 Canon arm, fast. Fast.
All the trades.

Speaker 1 Elusive. PFT, what's your Fire Fest?

Speaker 2 My Fire Fest is I got talked into doing something. last week.

Speaker 2 It was kind of entrapment that

Speaker 2 I'm objectively terrified of doing.

Speaker 1 You're playing in an alumni rugby game. You're climbing up to like the 50th, let's say until next year.

Speaker 4 The 50th story of a building.

Speaker 2 It's very similar. Oh, boy.
But scarier.

Speaker 1 Oh, I know this.

Speaker 1 Because I was asked and I said, hell no.

Speaker 2 So large. Well, that's not the story I heard.
So large.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I said hell no.

Speaker 2 No, so large,

Speaker 2 you would recognize him. He does Barcelon Finance, Twisted History here at Barcelona.
He's a big guy. He covers NASCAR for us.

Speaker 1 Commissioned referee for Rough and Rowdy.

Speaker 2 Probably

Speaker 2 he was asked to go up in an F-18 before the NASCAR race at the Poconos later on this year. And he was like, well, I'm a big guy.
They ran the numbers.

Speaker 2 He was too big to fit into the cockpit of an F-18.

Speaker 2 And then he asked Dave if Dave wanted to go up. And Dave was like, absolutely not.
They talked to Big Cat. Big Cat's also too big to go up in the F-18.

Speaker 1 No, he said I could go up. I said, no.

Speaker 2 The story I heard was that Big Cat was too big to

Speaker 1 fit into an F-18. Large asked me if I wanted to go.
So I would assume.

Speaker 2 And then, so Large was like Large isn't going in, asking a guy named Big Cat, probably.

Speaker 1 I mean, Large is

Speaker 1 a lot bigger than me, like height-wise, and probably weight-wise. That's okay.

Speaker 2 Like, you're not that big, but you're too big for an F-18.

Speaker 1 He asked me if I wanted to do it, and I said, Hell no.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so Large said, Well, PFT flies an F-18 in the simulator all the time.

Speaker 1 Well, okay, so this is where the story large is not telling the full story.

Speaker 2 Let's see if PFT would be down to do it.

Speaker 1 Well, so I large came up to me and said, Do you want to do this? And I said, Hell no. And I said, but PFT might.
So Di put that in his head.

Speaker 2 Okay, so Big Eye was too big to fit into the F-18 Hornet. And then he hit me up last week.
I was drunk because I was on vacation. I'd been outside drinking tequila all day.

Speaker 2 And I got a text from Large saying, hey, PFT, would you want to go up in an F-18 Hornet before this NASCAR race? And my reply was, fuck it.

Speaker 2 Which tells you I was in just like a bad state of mind to make that type of decision.

Speaker 2 And now I'm trapped into doing this thing where I'm going to go up in an F-18 and they're going to pull some Series Gs.

Speaker 2 Now, I do have experience in the cockpit of an F-18, so I'm familiar with the layout and I know how to work my way around there. But I'm also deathly afraid of heights.

Speaker 2 And this seems like it's going to be

Speaker 2 the worst experience ever while also being the coolest experience ever.

Speaker 2 But I'm going to get a flight suit.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get the helmet. So that's why I told Large to ask you.
Yeah. Because I know you're definitely afraid of heights, but you also love fighter plays.

Speaker 2 plays. I do.
And maybe they're going to let me take over the sticks for a second when I'm up there.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Just for the right moment.
I'm just too small for that.

Speaker 2 All I'm saying is

Speaker 2 if there's any balloons up there, I'm going to shoot a fucking balloon down. If I see a balloon, I'm going to make sure that we attack that balloon.

Speaker 4 What is the movie where the guy goes up in one of those planes and pukes all over himself?

Speaker 1 I can't. It might be top down.
Jack is. Jack.
No. I don't think I'm going to puke.

Speaker 2 I don't think I'm going to puke. I think I'm.

Speaker 1 I might pass out.

Speaker 2 I might pass out just from the anxiety of going up there. Because

Speaker 2 I've been watching people do it on YouTube because they take people up in F-18 sometimes with the Blue Angels and when they do it they actually like pull back hard on the stick they go upside down they make high speed turns and shit and I think my body is just I think my brain is just gonna shut down I think I'm gonna be up there and my body will go into like possum mode where I'll just pass out for a little bit aren't you tom cruise's height no I'm way taller than Tom Cruise like isn't that why they chose him for

Speaker 2 for top gun two no I think they did that because of Top Gun 1.

Speaker 7 No, no, in Top Gun 1, they chose him because of his height.

Speaker 7 I don't fit in all the planes.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I can definitely fit into an F-18, though. The cockpit is friendly to 5'9 gentlemen such as myself.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, I am excited about it because I'm going to get to actually fly in a jet that I've flown on in the simulator, which is very realistic.

Speaker 2 I'm not delusional enough to think that I could land. the jet.
Most of my training comes landing the F-18 on an aircraft carrier, which I could do, but this is going to be an airstrip.

Speaker 2 But I do think that if they gave me the controls, I'd be able to at least hit the waypoints and shit and pull some sick moves. So

Speaker 2 at the same time, I'm deathly, deathly terrified of doing this.

Speaker 1 You're going to be fine. By the way, I just looked it up.

Speaker 1 I hit all the requirements. I'm almost too tall.

Speaker 2 That's my only issue.

Speaker 1 You can go up to 255 pounds.

Speaker 4 Get Smart is the movie I'm thinking of.

Speaker 1 Get Smart. Okay.
Classic.

Speaker 1 You got this, though.

Speaker 2 You got this. I'm going to look like George Bush in my flight suit.
Mission accomplished.

Speaker 1 That actually, looking at the height restrictions, is actually large is too tall. Yeah.
No, yeah. That's the funniest part.

Speaker 2 He would have bumped his head on the

Speaker 1 crazy.

Speaker 2 You can't be more than 6'4. I think I'm going to have to get back on the sticks and DCS and do some more ghost of Manhattan streams too to get fully prepared for this.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm just going to have to know the F-18 cockpit like it's the back of my hand. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. My Fire Fest.
Hank, I'm going to need you to leave for my Fire Fest.

Speaker 1 Why? I'm going to need you to leave for my Fire Fest. Why? You can come back in in two minutes.
Why? I'm going to need you to leave for my Fire Fest.

Speaker 1 Leave for my Fire Fest. I'm asking you to leave for my Fire Fest.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Leave.

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm going to hear it.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Well, thank you.
That's an extra download we get.

Speaker 2 Please leave for my forest. Did you listen to the podcast? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, I automatically download it.

Speaker 1 Please leave for my Fire Fest.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Could you go a little faster? Bye and see ya.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I miss vacation. Yeah.
Vacation. I really miss vacation.
It was great. I was like, damn, I really wish I could go back on vacation.
That ruled.

Speaker 2 Seeing all of us in the studio with our tans, it is pretty nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like I am a big vacation guy now, I think.

Speaker 2 What's to stop us from doing the podcast? Just always on vacation.

Speaker 1 Vacation. The vacation boys.
Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what's to stop us.
Hank's satisfaction. Yeah.
That's exactly why I had to have him leave the room.

Speaker 1 I can't have him be like, yes, let's go on more vacation. If he was in the room right now, he already would be planning his vacation on his phone.
He is. I'm slowing it down by at least an hour.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, that's my fire festival.

Speaker 2 When's your next vacation?

Speaker 1 Probably Memorial Day. You have Memorial Day in June, July.
Yeah. All right, so we'll go.
Three months away. Yeah, July.
We'll take a week off for July 4th. Bring Tim Woods back.
But yeah,

Speaker 1 I missed vacation. Vacation kicks in.

Speaker 2 It was fucking sweet. What's not to like about it?

Speaker 1 Hank, you can come back in.

Speaker 1 Hank!

Speaker 1 Oh, he's not coming back in. I'm going to text him.
Hank! Can't get the lottery ball. So that was why Alabama said they were going to sue us.
Oh, shit. He's back in.
All right. That was my Fire Fest.

Speaker 1 Jake.

Speaker 11 So I've been sitting on this one for a while because we were off last week. I think PFT, I think I told you about this one.

Speaker 1 I was off last week. Rewind.
I hated. I love being with these guys, with you guys here.

Speaker 1 I hated being on vacation.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but it's nice to work hard and then.

Speaker 2 No, it's nice to work hard.

Speaker 1 Stop. Full stop.

Speaker 1 You fucking work hard, Hank. Vacation boy, you're a soft bitch.
All these vacations you're taking. I didn't even like doing it.
I wanted to be working with the boys, with the fellas. Jake, go ahead.

Speaker 1 I'm taking one after the final four. Oh, no shit.

Speaker 1 Of course you are.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to shame you for it because vacations for suckers and losers.

Speaker 1 Jake.

Speaker 11 So two weeks ago, we were in Arizona. We were at Barcelona, Scottsdale for Super Bowl Sunday.
And I had to go to the bathroom at the two-minute warning and missed the end.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. You missed the end of the Super Bowl? Yeah, Jake,

Speaker 11 I missed the Bradbury holding. I came back out.
I saw the field goal.

Speaker 1 Like, I was just

Speaker 11 going to get Kevin Burkhart on the speaker.

Speaker 1 It was emergent.

Speaker 2 How bad did you have to go to the bathroom where you couldn't couldn't wait for another two minutes?

Speaker 1 The last two minutes of football for the entire year, and you're like, gotta go.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 It was bad.

Speaker 2 Wow. What did you have for lunch that day?

Speaker 2 Salad.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 11 we were eating all night. That's freaking.

Speaker 2 We were eating all night.

Speaker 1 That's freaking guy.

Speaker 11 So, yeah. Unfortunately, that was the end of the road for me, but I got back out for Buck Cruz Field Goal.

Speaker 2 Now, Jake, Jake, being in the broadcast booth, what would happen in a situation like that if you were calling the Super Bowl?

Speaker 11 It wouldn't because I wouldn't put myself in a position to eat risky food.

Speaker 2 Is an aca bowl or risky food the least?

Speaker 1 It wasn't from that. It wasn't from that.
Okay. Yeah.
Well,

Speaker 1 I can't believe you missed the last two minutes of the day. The food was delicious, though.
How could you see? Oh, I saw the end. It's the last bite.

Speaker 1 You literally had like an ice cream Sunday and you just left a little ice cream at the bottom. No thanks.

Speaker 11 I don't want it sent out. The human body doesn't care.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Good show, everyone. Monday, we have our good friend Christian Jelich.

Speaker 1 So I haven't talked to him in a while. We got him in person in Super Bowl Week 2, and it's probably a mistake by us because

Speaker 1 that means that the ass-eating bet is going to be brought back up all the time.

Speaker 1 He looks big. He looks big.

Speaker 2 He looks like he's going to work his swing.

Speaker 1 And also, just a reminder, on Wednesday's show, we're going to do a full swing.

Speaker 11 You mean Jackson Mahomes?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jackson Mahomes. He burned you.
He was the Luigi to the Luigi. He burned you bad, Billy, with that clip.

Speaker 1 Where you're like, I was on vacation all week, and all I could think about was Jackson Mahomes and Christian Yellowch look alike.

Speaker 7 It was just a take I had.

Speaker 1 But the part of I was on vacation, and that's all I could think about. He did because

Speaker 1 he was on vacation.

Speaker 2 He conveniently removed the part where I asked if Jackson eats more ass than Christian does. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He edited that part out. Yeah, it was smart of him.
But yeah, and then full swing review on Wednesday, so everyone watch it's on Netflix, it's fucking awesome. Uh, we'll do that.

Speaker 1 We have a couple golfers that will be on with us then. Uh,

Speaker 1 Hank, have you ever gotten this lottery ball machine?

Speaker 4 I have not.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's too bad. Uh, Dugues, do you want to start us off with what number you want? And you can have 69 if you'd like 69.

Speaker 1 Yeah, take it, take 69.

Speaker 8 I'll do 69.

Speaker 1 All right, nice, salient dukes.

Speaker 1 All right, everyone else, numbers, ninety-six,

Speaker 1 seventeen, ninety-nine.

Speaker 1 Ooh,

Speaker 1 four. Shout out JJ, dude.
Gotta rise my guy. My son picked three this week.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 1 You can't count that high.

Speaker 4 Can I start bringing in people's heads?

Speaker 1 His doesn't count. I'm just doing it for my own.
I'll tweet it. Fine.
I'll start tweeting it. And he'll get it before you, and that'll be funny.
What was your number? 99. Have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 10 Three is missing.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 What an idiot.

Speaker 1 How did he not know that?

Speaker 2 I think something else is missing. What is that?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 60. I thought it was 69.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. That would have been incredible.
No. Oh, my God.
I would have literally missed it, dude. It would have just been the rest of Dues in Billy's Day would have been Billy just being like, bro.

Speaker 1 Why'd you fucking take my number 69? Dude's like, 4,000. And he would have won all the money.
Yeah, and he would have have won all the money. Like, well, dude, it's 69.
I had to.

Speaker 1 It's great having you on, Dukes. All right.
Uh, we'll see everyone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll see everyone Monday.

Speaker 2 Love you guys.

Speaker 7 Maryland Blue Crabs and State Animal Maryland.

Speaker 1 That's actually a lie.

Speaker 1 I don't know what to say. I'd say anyway.

Speaker 1 Today's young day, the body flying away.

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for your love, okay.

Speaker 1 Be like the same.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying it's about me, so we're literally.

Speaker 1 Seven

Speaker 1 months okay, say after me.

Speaker 1 I'd like somebody to be safe and start me.

Speaker 1 Drink on me. I'll be gone.

Speaker 1 You have to sing and easy all.

Speaker 1 Just like

Speaker 1 you all filled up to remember me. Shine away.

Speaker 1 I'll keep you in my mind. Take on me.

Speaker 1 Take

Speaker 1 on me.

Speaker 1 Drink on me.