Chris Berman, Super Bowl Week Is Here, Kyrie Tried To Highjack The Super Bowl And Tons More

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Speaker 1 On today's pardon, my take, the Schwamm is back. Chris Berman, for an hour and a half.
We went back up to Connecticut. He remembered us.
He loves us.

Speaker 1 It was awesome. It was everything we wanted because the first time we interviewed Chris Berman, it was a lot about his career.
This time it was Super Bowl memories, guys talking football.

Speaker 1 Just an awesome time. We had a smile on our face, ear to ear.

Speaker 1 We are going to talk football. We are here in Arizona Arizona live from Super Bowl Week.
We are going to talk Kyrie to the Mavericks. He tried to hijack Super Bowl Week.

Speaker 1 We have Who's Back of the Week. And don't worry, we also have the lottery ball machine.
We pre-taped it. So tune in to see if Hank won.
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to Part of My Take. Today is Monday, February 6th, and we are here in Arizona, Super Bowl week.

Speaker 5 Arizona, we are inside you. It's a lovely place.
Super Bowl abs.

Speaker 1 Everyone, check. Yeah, good.
I'm good. Check, everyone.
Yep. Yep.
We all got our Super Bowl abs. Yeah, look at this.

Speaker 5 Came in nicely. Totally.

Speaker 1 Washboard Billy.

Speaker 1 That little fucking Italian, Pete Prisco, is going to be going to be eating off my Super Bowl abs. He was wrong.
I was right. We all got in great shape for this weather, and we're here.

Speaker 1 It feels great.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, it's Super Bowl week, and there's a feel in the air. We saw Tom Rinaldi in the airport walking around.

Speaker 1 We did.

Speaker 5 He had his headphones on. Jake speculated he must be listening to the piano music.
Yep. He just bangs that nonstop.

Speaker 1 Sad music, just looking at people being like, I wonder how many people in his life have died from cancer.

Speaker 1 Just walking around thinking that about everyone he sees.

Speaker 5 There was a guy holding a sign at the airport, apparently, that just said Florio in big letters. So, Mr.
Big Shot's in town.

Speaker 5 It's been pretty nice so far.

Speaker 1 Also, we should just note, so we have a great show coming up. We have Chris Berman that we taped on Wednesday.
We went back up to Connecticut for him.

Speaker 1 Hopefully, it's going to be our Super Bowl, like, annual kickoff Monday of Super Bowl, the Schwamm.

Speaker 1 But right now, we're sitting in Arizona. We look like fucking idiots because we don't have our mic stands because Hank forgot the mic stands.

Speaker 5 That's fine. Hank's in a rare form this week.
Hank is he is ready to go. I think he knows that there are going to be a lot of people saying a lot of mean things to him, so he's pre-mad.

Speaker 5 And so it's kind of exuding. It's coming out of his

Speaker 5 Hank's anger is oozing out of every hole.

Speaker 1 It's me.

Speaker 1 We got off the plane and he's like, Super Bowl week just feels a little different without the Patriots.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I was like, Hank, like, have you thought that maybe what if, like, a lot of franchises don't go to Super Bowl week ever?

Speaker 1 Lions fans never have gone to Super Bowl Week. That's just a reality.
Browns fans have never gone to Super Bowl Week. Jaguars fans have never gone to Super Bowl Week.

Speaker 5 That happens. You're entitled, Hank.

Speaker 1 I never said that. You did say that.

Speaker 1 I'm going to have to start. No, when you have to start.

Speaker 6 I'm just recording everything I had conversation I have with you and put out a documentary about the truth.

Speaker 5 What you did say was it just doesn't hit different or it hits different without the Patriots.

Speaker 1 I love Super Bowl week.

Speaker 6 I've been to a lot of them. Coincidentally, the Patriots have been at over half the Super Bowl weeks I've been to, but even the ones they're not at, I still have a great time.

Speaker 6 It's great hanging out with the guys, it's great seeing everyone, all the fans, and stuff.

Speaker 7 This is the anniversary of the first time the three of us ever hung out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is, it was nice getting off the plane, being like, wow, eight years ago,

Speaker 1 a lot has changed. We've come a long way.
Yeah, we have. It's a little like walk down

Speaker 1 nostalgia here where we're like, oh, back in Scottsdale,

Speaker 1 we actually have our own hotel rooms this time, and we're going to have a great Super Bowl week. We've got some awesome guests lined up.

Speaker 5 It's going to be a blast. I'm looking forward to the game because, Big Cat, we're good friends.
Yeah. I put my bet in today.
You did.

Speaker 5 $8,500.

Speaker 5 Hank put in a bet for like $3.20.

Speaker 1 He's like, I'm riding with you guys.

Speaker 5 I'm going to truck Hank. But you know what?

Speaker 1 We don't.

Speaker 5 Let's not feed the trolls, Big Cat. Let's not, because that's what he wants.
He wants the attention.

Speaker 1 That's what he thrives on.

Speaker 1 Hank, you do. He wants it.
You do.

Speaker 7 I'm just here for work.

Speaker 6 I'm not trying to speak. I just want to do my job.

Speaker 5 No, you're not trying to speak. You just tried to take my chair during tonight's broadcast.

Speaker 1 We did. This is insane.

Speaker 1 Okay, no, we're not feeding the trolls. We're not gaslighting.
Like, wait, we're not natural now that we're using for the gaslights.

Speaker 5 Don't feed the trolls. We're good friends at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 It's going to be a blast. It's going to be a blast.

Speaker 1 It is, it was weird waking up today with no football. It always is like a

Speaker 1 first Sunday without football.

Speaker 1 The Pro Bowl, I don't even know what, all I know is I tuned in a few times during the weekend and it was like one time they were catching water balloons.

Speaker 1 Another time they were jumping off trampolines into a mat. Like, I don't know what they did with the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 1 And I think actually what they did was genius because we all complained about how the Pro Bowl isn't real football. And like, why are they even playing the game?

Speaker 1 Whatever they changed it to, I want the old Pro Bowl.

Speaker 5 No, it's smart what they did, but I did read one headline about how the Pro Bowl turned out. So this will be our official Pro Bowl analysis of the game itself, the flag football game.

Speaker 5 Kirk Cousins leads NFC to a comeback. So there you go.
All the haters that say Kirk Cousins can't win a big game, he just won the Pro Bowl flag football challenge.

Speaker 1 I also read a headline, and

Speaker 1 I got to find it. It was...

Speaker 1 It probably wasn't even the NFC.

Speaker 5 It was probably like Team Eli. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Report Browns defensive end Miles Garrett suffered a dislocated toe at the Pro Bowl games and limped off the field. Yeah.
So even whatever games they were playing can be dangerous.

Speaker 1 Dodgeball can be dangerous.

Speaker 5 I saw one highlight from the flag football game and somebody lateraled the ball to Tyreek Hill as he was crossing the goal line and Jalen Ramsey just laid him out on the sideline.

Speaker 5 Somebody forgot to tell Jalen Ramsey that you don't hit in flag football, but it was awesome just to see like a little bit of contact, just to get you a little, like perk your ears up a little bit.

Speaker 5 Football is actually coming back again this week.

Speaker 1 It was also

Speaker 1 great to to see them out there being like, you know what? This is actually exactly what the players who deserve to be in the Pro Bowl, Tyler Huntley included. I saw him slinging it around.

Speaker 1 They were all just looked like violently hungover, half speed running around on the field. That part is perfect.

Speaker 1 That part is it should be a reward to go to the Pro Bowl and not having to actually put on pads and be like, hope I don't get injured.

Speaker 1 They did knock that out of the park because you could see everyone had like sunglasses on, bucket hats.

Speaker 1 they Devontae Adams was playing with sunglasses in a bucket hat, and he's just like, Yeah, he probably partied all night. Why wouldn't you?

Speaker 5 Yeah, he made the Pro Bowl. They did not invite Alvin Kamara back, right? I don't think so.
I don't think he's allowed in the state of Nevada. Yeah.
Are we ever going to find out?

Speaker 5 Is he going to go to jail? Um, because I think his trial is still pending for that, isn't it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think so. And yeah, that one's weird.
We had the Joe Mixon thing was weird because it like got he he had a warrant and then it was dropped.

Speaker 5 Well, he allegedly pointed a gun at somebody, got charged for menacing, which is a very cool-sounding thing to be charged with, and then they just dropped the charges.

Speaker 1 He should just join John Morant's crew. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that might have been him. That was a wild story.
Did you hear about that?

Speaker 1 John Morant, and we're going to talk about Kyrie in a second, but John Morant, there was a report out that he got in an altercation.

Speaker 1 His best friend and like some of his friends got in an altercation with the Pacers when the Pacers were in town.

Speaker 1 And then after the game, when the Pacers were getting on the bus, his friends were like basically saying, like, come fight us.

Speaker 1 And then they rolled out and there was a laser pointer pointed at players in the bus. And they thought it was maybe a gun.

Speaker 1 Kind of a little too far, I would say.

Speaker 5 They asked the NBA and they were like, hey, was the laser attached to a gun by any chance? They're like, we don't know. We can't comment on that just yet.

Speaker 1 I mean, if it was just a laser pointer, that's actually a hilarious move because everyone has had a phase in their life where they're like, laser pointers are cool.

Speaker 5 Let me see if I can try to point it in my friend's eye or if you have a cat it's always fun yeah like there i think someone brought a laser pointer to the office last week and i was like let me see that and was just trying to get people in the eye like it's fun wasn't there a laser pointer event at a uh nfl playoff game i feel like derek carr might have gotten a laser pointer shined in his eye now i'm all i think ronaldo complains about a laser pointer when they're not even there i'm all for laser pointers i just think that they should be green

Speaker 5 for shining laser laser at tom brady yeah okay there we go it should be they should be green green laser pointers always play once the red dot gets involved, I've watched too many action movies to fuck with those.

Speaker 1 The red dot feels like you're like, what the hell is going on here? Yeah. So, yeah, that was a serious story.

Speaker 1 The other football story is Aaron Rodgers just playing in a pro-am, winning it, and getting asked where he's going to play. Seemed like every hole.

Speaker 1 Every single hole he was asked where he's going to play. People making Raiders' jokes,

Speaker 1 Jets jokes. I just want to I want to say to me, you're sitting right here.
He's a Jets fan, Raiders fans,

Speaker 1 don't become pathetic here. The guy is a jerk.

Speaker 1 Don't be pathetic, like begging for him. He's a jerk.
Yeah. Don't belittle yourself.

Speaker 5 I would also say the more that you want him, the more likely you are to push him away. Yes.
You want him to come to you. Be like, yeah, it'd be cool if Aaron played with us.

Speaker 5 But don't, once you start to smother him, then he's more likely just, because he is an asshole, he'll be like, well, they really want me, so it'd be cool if I broke all their hearts.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly. Do we have any other coach hirings? I know the Colts are doing like four-day interviews.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so they're doing like

Speaker 1 only to hire Jeff Saturday.

Speaker 5 So Jim Ursay is doing like 12-hour interviews with these coaches, and I think they're on their third round right now. I think Jim Ursay just wants people to hang out with.
Yes.

Speaker 5 That's what it comes down to. He just wants to take people on a tour of his house, show them his weird guitar collection, show them his patchouli walk-in closet.

Speaker 1 See how long he can go to the bathroom with, you know, for without them freaking out. Yeah, again,

Speaker 5 I have to say I'm in favor of Jim Ursai using the restroom as long as he wants to. Yes.
I would never walk out of that restroom.

Speaker 1 Well, you have to take a shit after you do the cocaine.

Speaker 5 It would be nice if he offered the cocaine, though.

Speaker 1 That's a fact, right? Yeah. It's definitely what happened.
Actually, be like, dude,

Speaker 1 he's in a house, probably a nice bathroom.

Speaker 5 It happens quickly. The red flag was probably him not offering Josh McDaniel's wife cocaine.
She was like, that guy's rude. At least offer.

Speaker 1 At least. Yeah, I don't think we had any other coach hirings.
I know the Cardinals are doing interviews.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think that's it. The Panthers hired the Broncos defensive defensive coordinator.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 But yeah, that's about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so, and we're going to talk obviously more Super Bowl, all of our props, everything as the week goes on.

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Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 Kyrie Irving tried to try he tried to hijack Super Bowl Week. Let's just say that right now.

Speaker 1 I have a place we can start. I want to read a quote to you about Kyrie Irving and how excited he is.
So he says, so this is a tweet.

Speaker 1 Have been told that Kyrie is ecstatic about the trade, looking forward to playing for Brad Stevens and understands the Celtics tradition. Oh, wait, sorry.

Speaker 5 That was from 2017.

Speaker 1 Here's the quote. Kyrie Irving is said to be ecstatic about the trade to Dallas Mavericks and looking forward to joining forces with Luca, a league source tells NBA on TNT.

Speaker 1 Literally the exact same quote, five years, six years apart.

Speaker 1 He's ecstatic. He's ecstatic on both ends.

Speaker 5 I think it's a good move for the Mavericks because he only has half a season for his team cancer to spread. So this is like a good window for Kyrie.

Speaker 5 Once the first offseason ends, who knows what he's going to come back with next year? He's going to be like the JFK assassination didn't even happen. He's going to get nuts in Dallas.

Speaker 5 He's going to get this weird stuff. But for the first like four or five months, I think that's fine.
It's hard to destroy a brand new team in like four months.

Speaker 1 Man, I think he's up for the challenge. If anyone can do it,

Speaker 5 he's the man for the job.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be,

Speaker 1 it will just be whether or not they agree to pay him what he wants. He wants a max deal.
That was how it all fell apart with the Nets. They're like, dude, you barely play.

Speaker 1 And when you do play, you also mix in a little bit of, hey, let's have headlines about the anti-Semitic documentary you're tweeting about or these weird comments.

Speaker 1 Why would you give him $200 million in four years? So they're like, we don't want to do that. He wants that.
Will the Mavs do it? If they say no, he's probably going to be just as mad.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so they had offers in, pretty good offers from the Lakers. The Lakers offered Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 1 Oh, great offers.

Speaker 5 They said, tell you what, we've got a great, you know, former all-pro, guaranteed triple-double guy, Russell Westbrook. Let's get him out there.

Speaker 5 It was him, two first-round picks, swapping another pick, and that's where he wanted to go.

Speaker 5 He wanted to go to LA, reunite with LeBron, which I was kind of rooting for because that would have blown up. That would have blown up pretty quickly, I think.

Speaker 1 It would have been hilarious. And we also got the all-time emo LeBron tweet.
He just said after an hour after the trade was announced, he just tweeted, maybe it's me. Yeah, it's so good.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's me.

Speaker 5 We got to make that a segment of the show. Whenever we fuck up something, maybe it's me.

Speaker 1 It's me.

Speaker 5 I love LeBron. I know that we give him a lot of shit, but I actually, I love LeBron because he's basically a billionaire, right?

Speaker 5 He's been a top two player on most teams that he's been on, one of the all-time greats.

Speaker 1 Three in the heat.

Speaker 5 Probably number three on the heat.

Speaker 1 That first year when he scored eight points in game four, I think it was.

Speaker 5 And he's like an international icon, but he still has big-time, like,

Speaker 5 I really wanted to kiss you tonight, Energy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe it's me.

Speaker 6 Where am I hug at?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Like, that's a, he basically tweeted a text where it's like, you've, you've texted a girl five times in a row with no response, and just maybe it's me.

Speaker 5 The only thing that would have made it more melodramatic was putting the two dots after the maybe it's me. Not even the full three ellipses.
Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me.

Speaker 1 And you know what? It is. LeBron, it is you because it is your team.
You have created this team.

Speaker 5 So this one isn't on LeBron because they specifically did not trade him to the Lakers. Josiah said that they were doing whatever they could to not fulfill Kyrie's presumed objective.

Speaker 5 But which was going to the Lake. Presumed objective is such a funny word.

Speaker 1 The counterpoint would be the Lakers have done everything. Like they got Anthony Davis because they traded their entire team.

Speaker 1 Anytime LeBron wants them to trade something, they've just now come around to being like, maybe, maybe we shouldn't give in to everything you want.

Speaker 1 But yeah, maybe it is you. Yeah.
I think part of it is.

Speaker 6 Kyrie knew that they were going to do that and told them, like, he called their bluff. What do you mean?

Speaker 6 He told the Nets who wanted to play with the Lakers, knowing they wouldn't trade him to the Lakers because they thought that's what he wanted.

Speaker 5 You know what? That breakdown of the street, that's exactly how Kyrie Irving, if he were in your position, would analyze that. Like six layers of 7D chess.

Speaker 1 I do like that we now get to do the only one ball because it is like Luca and Kyrie are the epitome of only one ball. Both guys need the ball at all times.

Speaker 5 I'm excited to see it work out, though.

Speaker 1 Not work out, you mean?

Speaker 5 I think it might work out. I don't know.

Speaker 1 You know what would have worked out? Paying Jalen Brunson like a max contract because he's fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 I know he probably wanted to go to New York and it felt like that's what like he wanted to do that. But still, you basically just traded,

Speaker 1 you know, two decent players, like good role players for Kyrie Irving when you could have maybe signed Jalen Brunson to a long-term deal who's really fucking good.

Speaker 5 Do you think they're gonna like him in Dallas? I think the Dallas fans are gonna like Kyrie Irving.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I feel like this is I read a quote.

Speaker 1 Like initially. Yeah, the athletic put it.
Someone put it on. I can't remember who wrote it, but I was reading it on the plane and it was put perfectly.
They're like,

Speaker 1 this trade to the

Speaker 1 Mavericks raises their ceiling, but makes the floor lava. And

Speaker 1 that's perfect. Like, that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 Like, they're, yes, in a world where this all works out, you now added, like, a, I mean, Kyrie Irving is, that's the best part about Kyrie Irving is even after all the shit that's said, he's still every like NBA player's favorite player because his handle is great and

Speaker 1 he's a walking bucket. Like, he could say, he could do anything and be like, yeah, well, he's a walking bucket.

Speaker 5 So the problem is that you do run the risk of completely alienating your entire relationship with Luca.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's the lava part.

Speaker 1 Luca could

Speaker 5 he could hate playing with Kyrie so much that he could end up resenting the Mavs' front office for this move. Right.
And then now you've lost your star player.

Speaker 1 Right, exactly. So that there's the lava, and it's, yeah, but Kyrie, yeah, like he'll show up.
He'll be awesome.

Speaker 5 He's going to be staring at the tech, at the Texas flag, counting the points on the star. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I can play here.

Speaker 1 He's just going to, I mean, it's, it is funny. So I want to reiterate.
So these are the three quotes. So after Kyrie hit the big shot in 2016,

Speaker 1 the Cavs win. Everything's great.
That offseason, yeah, that offseason, he was basically like, I want, I'm sick of playing with LeBron. Or no, it was the next offseason.

Speaker 1 He was sick of playing with LeBron.

Speaker 1 Went to the Celtics, got traded to the Celtics, said

Speaker 1 the tweet is, have been told that Kyrie is ecstatic about the trade, looking forward to playing for Brad Stevens and understand the Celtics tradition. Went on the Celtics.

Speaker 1 Didn't he go in front of the fans being like, I'll stay as long as you'll have me? Was that his exact quote, Hank? Where he's like, I'll stay as long as you guys will have me.

Speaker 1 And then demanded a trade from there.

Speaker 1 Signed with Brooklyn, said, in my heart, I always knew I wanted to play at home. I'm happy to be in Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 Played 143 of 278 possible games in three plus years with the Nets. KD and Kyrie played 74 games together.
KD, Kyrie, and James Harden played 10 games together. And then

Speaker 1 today says, Kyrie is said to be ecstatic about the trade to Dallas Mavericks and looking forward to joining forces in Luca. It's just, it's going to keep happening.

Speaker 1 It's the old saying, like when someone tells you who they are, like, listen, this is who Kyrie is. He's going to be upset in a matter of months, and he's going to want to be somewhere else.

Speaker 1 And then he's going to go sign a MAC somewhere. And then a year from that, he's going to be like, I don't like it here.
And it's going to keep happening.

Speaker 5 What about for the Nets? How's that work out for the Nets? The new big three that's going to be scary.

Speaker 5 It's Ben Simmons, Spencer Dinwiddie. Yep.
And KD when he gets back from injury.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Dorian Finney Smith. And a future 2029 first-round pick.

Speaker 5 So what I really wish had happened is the offer that the Phoenix Suns had made. I wish that had gone through because Chris Paul would have then come to New York to play for the Nets.
Chris Paul, KD.

Speaker 5 And you want to talk about expectations on Chris Paul's shoulders this postseason? And there's no chance that that Nets team would have won the championship.

Speaker 5 And that would have been so much more powerful for us to be like, hey, Rosillo, explain yourself than just another year flaming out with the Phoenix Suns.

Speaker 1 It really, like,

Speaker 1 this four years of the Nets is fascinating to look at because they went all in with all three of these guys. And I guess it's like more of a tech.

Speaker 1 Because remember this past offseason when they got swept by the Wamping, by the Celtics, and then Kyrie said

Speaker 1 KD and I are going to co-manage the team.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, it's co-coached the team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it was co-managed. I think he was like talking about the roster and stuff.
Okay. Yeah.
So it really shows like,

Speaker 1 you know, at some point you have to also build a team where guys want to be there and not just be like, let's get.

Speaker 1 You have to take the shot with KD and Kyrie. It just blew up in spectacular fashion.

Speaker 5 I don't think we knew that Kyrie was like fully Kyrie at that point.

Speaker 1 Well, KD's also asked for a straight tip. Yeah, so it's been a disaster.
He might not show up.

Speaker 5 It's a warning sign. Like sometimes it's bad to go all in.
You can be too all in. Sometimes just the tip is better.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and you you just you you let the players you let the players decide they're gonna co-manage the roster yeah it could have some ramifications it could backfire i there okay so as as much of a shit show as it's been on the court i feel like i feel like the the nets ownership they've got a lot of questions to answer for all this because because of the way not only did they say co-manage the team but kyrie was also like yeah we don't really have a head coach it's going to be most of us that take turns and steve nash was like what

Speaker 1 he's steve nash has got to be the big winner out of oh huge yeah steve nash i told you guys it was not possible and this is proving it because kd

Speaker 5 like he could just say i don't want to be here either and and i i don't know what they do then it's just ben simmons is you're selling nets tickets with ben simmons do you think that you could have found like any worse more drama-filled teammates to be on the nets than they've had actually on the roster over the last three years like are there any players that are huge head cases that blow up teams in the NBA that haven't played on the Nets?

Speaker 5 No. They've collected all of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 They truly have.

Speaker 5 It's wonderful to watch.

Speaker 1 I guess you could say for the Nets, they did trade in the Kyrie Irving trade. They traded Markeith Morris.
So that would be... Okay.

Speaker 1 I feel like the Morris twins are always ready for something.

Speaker 5 You know what? I kind of like Marke Morris fitting in in Dallas. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Gives him a little edge to him.

Speaker 1 No one's going to fuck with Luca anymore.

Speaker 5 You need some edge.

Speaker 1 Don't let Marquis find out that someone dated his mom.

Speaker 1 He'll get fucking pissed. He'll get real pissed.

Speaker 5 So who won the trade? I'd say America.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I mean, here's how I think it will go is I think the Mavs will probably

Speaker 1 torch some team in the first round and everyone will say, look at this. This is real.

Speaker 1 And then either Kyrie will get hurt or decide not to show up or something will happen and they won't win a title. And then this offseason, yeah, like there's just no way that this is going to end.

Speaker 1 There's no way. Could you imagine us sitting here right now? What if I told you, like, yeah, Kyrie loves it in Dallas, stays for the next five years and they win two titles?

Speaker 5 You know what? I might put it.

Speaker 1 That just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 5 I might put some money down on the Mavs winning the championship this year, June. Just because what if? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Can you imagine that?

Speaker 5 It's late June, whenever the NBA Finals start this year. And welcome to part of my take.
It's like June 21st, and the Dallas Mavericks are world champions.

Speaker 1 Congrats, Kyrie Irving. Their offense is going to be insane.
That's the craziest part about the Nets.

Speaker 1 When they all were healthy, remember what was the

Speaker 1 Hank, remind me. So they got swept by the Celtics last year.
Swamped. The year before they beat the Celtics in the first round.
Is that right? I believe so.

Speaker 1 Because I think there was a game where Harden.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 104 points, Kyrie, Harden, and KD.

Speaker 1 And if

Speaker 1 KD's foot isn't on the line in that game seven against the Bucs, it could have all worked.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Like it could be true.
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 1 They were that close to having it actually maybe work.

Speaker 5 If his foot was like one size smaller. Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So as bad as it all fell apart, like in theory, when they all three were healthy and wanted to be there, it's really just COVID's fault. COVID fucked up.

Speaker 1 COVID fucked with the wrong people, and that's Kyrie Irving decided not to play.

Speaker 5 Honestly, it was the sickest 2K team of all time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's also also crazy because if COVID, like if

Speaker 1 Monkey Pox comes back, now Kyrie can play because he's in Dallas. Yeah.
So they won't open it up. Restrictions.
Yeah. Yep.
Yeah. But the whole thing is just very funny.

Speaker 1 And the LeBron, maybe it's me, just so perfect. I actually am happy the NBA did this because it is nice to, like...

Speaker 1 Right when football ends, get into NBA season, like they're just like, fuck it, we're all in. We're just going to have the craziest shit happen.

Speaker 5 LeBron definitely thought that he did something too because before the trade was announced, he tweeted out eyeball emoji, crown emoji. So I think that's him being like, the king's done it again.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Brought Kyrie to L.A.

Speaker 1 But he definitely did something because Kyrie hated him. Kyrie didn't talk to him.
Remember before he got traded, the reports came out that they just weren't speaking.

Speaker 1 He would just show up and they wouldn't talk. They were like Mike the Mad Dog.
And what, now Kyrie's cool? Like they're fine.

Speaker 5 Because they've been apart for a while. I guess so.

Speaker 5 Kyrie will hate everybody that he's in close quarters with if if he spends enough time with them.

Speaker 1 I actually kind of feel bad for KD a little bit. Same.
Tiny bit. Because he did.

Speaker 1 I think the internet might have bullied him a little too hard with the legacy talk. Because imagine if he just stayed with the Warriors.
Yeah. That was a pretty sick situation.

Speaker 1 Instead, he was like, fuck it, I'm going to start my own thing with the craziest people I can find.

Speaker 1 And then like, like, playing with James Harden, Ben Simmons, and Kyrie, I would say makes you appreciate Steph Curry a lot more. Oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 He probably texts, He probably writes out text messages to Steph at like two in the morning and then deletes them, being like, I can't show my hand. Like, I miss you.
Like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 It is your team. I should have been okay with that.

Speaker 5 If I was KD, I would just get out of town. I wouldn't want to play in Britain.

Speaker 1 There's a chance. There's a chance he's injured right now.
There's a scheduled update, I think, on his injury tomorrow. Like, the Nets had said they're going to give everyone an update.

Speaker 1 The update might just be like, yeah, we talked to KD. He doesn't want to play.

Speaker 5 You know, it'd be sick if KD demanded a trade to the Lakers.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But that's actually the worst part for KD because out of all the bullshit aside, I actually think that Kevin Durant loves playing basketball more than any other player in the NBA.

Speaker 1 Like, he just loves playing basketball.

Speaker 5 And when he's not playing, he's watching basketball. He's like on those hooped Twitter accounts.
Right. So he's watching people's handles at Lifetime Fitness.
Right.

Speaker 1 So it's got to kill him that this is all happening because he just wants to play basketball. Yeah.
And it was a plan that was decent on paper that just completely blew up in every fashion.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 God damn it, Kyrie. You've done it again.
I hope he demands a trade in like a week.

Speaker 5 I mean, I honestly, I wouldn't put it past him to blow up the team before the playoffs start. But on the other hand, like, I can.
He wants.

Speaker 5 This is the perfect scenario for Dallas because you don't have a long-term commitment to Kyrie right now. You say that you're interested in giving him a max extension.

Speaker 5 I don't know how far along those talks are going, if they've even started.

Speaker 5 But they're open to it or else they wouldn't have traded for them.

Speaker 1 Well, you'd hope because if I think they're open to it, but they have I think you have to be more than open to it.

Speaker 1 I think you have to be like, we traded for you because we're going to sign you for a long-term deal.

Speaker 5 If I'm Mark Cuban, I give that a little 90-day cooling off period before you sign it to any long-term contract.

Speaker 1 And the craziest part, like, of all the nuts stuff that's happened with Kyrie, he's still awesome. He's been awesome this year.
He's been carrying the nets this year with KD out.

Speaker 1 He's averaging 27 points.

Speaker 1 He's an awesome player. That's my point back to like every player loves Kyrie because I think every player sees his game as like he can do stuff that very, very few people can do.

Speaker 5 Wimbayana.

Speaker 1 Wimbinana. No, Wimbinana's handles aren't that tight.

Speaker 5 No, he's like 17. I'm just like saying tight handles.
Tight handles, sick handles. Yeah.
T.J.

Speaker 5 Smith is probably pretty pumped up because when Kyrie makes the Mavericks flame out hard, that's double dipping on Cowboys. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He'll be like, Jerry, come on over.
Yeah. Let's talk about this.
Although Jerry Jones probably would be happy, right?

Speaker 1 He can't. He doesn't want to see it.

Speaker 5 I'm sure he doesn't. Yeah, he doesn't.
He thinks Mark Cuban is like a young hotshot kid.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Still, even though he's like six.

Speaker 5 He's like 60. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's like this whipper snapper just showed up, tried to steal my show.

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Speaker 1 All right, who's back of the week? Hank.

Speaker 6 Who's back of the week is America.

Speaker 5 Oh, oh, you stole mine.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Shot down, shot down the big Chinese balloon.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We got it.
Waited till it went all across the country.

Speaker 5 Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, so if you know anything about air-to-air ordinance, big cat, you would understand that firing an AM9X sidewinder overpopulated cities can result in some pretty significant damage to the populations below.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Montana, very populous.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so listen, we didn't, it's the F-22's first kill. We should show some respect.
First confirmed kill for that like $85 billion program.

Speaker 5 So it shot a hot air balloon down, which is pretty hilarious. It is.
That's what we spent all that money for.

Speaker 1 It was also very funny.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't even think it was a press conference. Biden just got off his plane and he just sometimes just starts rambling.
He's like, I told him to shoot it down Wednesday.

Speaker 1 And they told me that we couldn't until it was safe.

Speaker 1 I wanted credit for shooting. Like, yeah, okay, cool.
Yeah, we should, I guess, yeah, we probably should have shot it down Wednesday, but we had to wait until it was safe.

Speaker 5 I put together a plan for shooting this thing down. What about just a giant needle on the tip of the airplane?

Speaker 1 What about just like get someone who just went to the dipper to the cow?

Speaker 1 What about someone who wants to get a manicure? Just pop it like that.

Speaker 5 Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. You put a giant needle on the nose cone of the plane and you fly the plane directly into it and then you just eject right before it hits the balloon.

Speaker 5 That's what I would have done.

Speaker 1 It was cool to see it go down, though. Fuck.

Speaker 1 Fuck that, fuck that Chinese air balloon.

Speaker 5 I'm anti-balloon.

Speaker 1 How many times have they been doing this?

Speaker 5 So there was a report that it happened along the three previous times.

Speaker 1 I saw the flight path. It was pretty cool.
It started out, it went over Alaska, and then it came down through Canada, and then it went through Montana,

Speaker 5 through like Missouri, and then drifted across with a jet stream.

Speaker 1 Nebraska.

Speaker 6 But was it all off of just airflow?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 So they're unsure. So what they did was they fired a sidewinder missile at it that usually has like a detonated explosion in it.
But this one didn't have the explosive.

Speaker 5 They just like hit it with a missile because they were trying to keep all of it intact for when it fell into the ocean. They could go like recover it and see what the fuck they were doing.

Speaker 5 So we don't know what it was doing just yet.

Speaker 1 We're going to find out. We'll find out.
We're going to find out. And they won't tell us, but we're going to find out.

Speaker 1 But Biden wants credit. You said shoot that thing down on Wednesday.

Speaker 5 I would have shot it down so fast. I honestly could have shot that thing down.

Speaker 1 It was just cool to have, it was actually a nice place

Speaker 1 in place of football on Saturday to just be like, oh, we're just going to watch this balloon get shot.

Speaker 5 It's always nice to see an explosion and just everybody watching it go like, fuck yeah, America. We did it.
We got it.

Speaker 1 We shot a balloon that we let fly over our entire country first. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We nailed that piece of shit. We got it.
We fucking got it.

Speaker 1 Okay, good. Who's back?

Speaker 5 PFT? Yeah, I was going to say my who's back was American air superiority, but that's fine. If it flies, it dies.
That's what I always say. Hell yes.

Speaker 5 So, memes just in a text, so I'll just say who's back? Potentially Chris Paul. Ooh.

Speaker 5 The Phoenix Suns are prepared to pursue Brooklyn Net star Kevin Durant should he become available league sources tell NBA on TNT.

Speaker 5 That scares me a little bit because I do think that the Suns with Kevin Durant's future has already gone up.

Speaker 5 They would probably become a significant threat to my Mavericks. Yeah.
So, well, no, my nuggets. Excuse me.
It's my nuggets this year, but I do feel like Kevin Durant on that team would be...

Speaker 5 He would be a nice piece to add.

Speaker 1 It'd be very fun.

Speaker 5 Why would it be so great if they didn't win the championship with KD on that team?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it would just be... Well, they would.
So what would the trade be? It would be Chris Paul and Picks and something else to the Nets.

Speaker 5 I'm not a capologist. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it would just be so fun.

Speaker 1 If that happens, Vrasilla's on the next show.

Speaker 1 Probably Jay Crowder would be involved in in that deal yeah and watching watching uh the nets lose in the first round like get swept by yannis or something and be like chris paul what happened thoughts it'd be incredible uh yeah that kevin durant on the sons would shake things up the west is crazy the west would be so fun there's the west has every team could win it right now and every team is within like five games of each other go for it sons every team except the lakers except for the lakers they're they're i think two games out of no let's see I want to actually,

Speaker 1 let's look real quick. The Lakers, I believe, are in the play-in game.
No, they're too out of the play-in game. Everyone's.

Speaker 8 But they're only five games out of the three seed.

Speaker 1 They're only five games out of the three seed. That's a fact.
Yeah. That's how crazy the West is right now.

Speaker 1 Okay. My who's back is Max.
Max, you want to come sit down? You want to take a mic real quick? So Max is back

Speaker 1 because I've decided I'm going to play a little fun game with Max.

Speaker 1 It is the Super Bowl. It is birds.
He's got his Philly sweatshirt on. Now, I've told Max.

Speaker 1 I've told Max this before, so I didn't want to. Yeah, what is it? Oh, you're wearing the sweatpants where you look like you're.

Speaker 9 These are good sweatpants.

Speaker 1 You're a dad of four.

Speaker 1 And you're just trying to shovel all the kids into the van as you yell at them. And you have maybe some go-gurt and throw-up on those pants.

Speaker 1 That's what it is. Normal sweat.
Those are the pants you put on on

Speaker 1 the same side right now. What?

Speaker 1 We are on the same side right now. Yeah, we are.
We are.

Speaker 1 I'm jealous of those pants. I would wear those pants on Saturday morning.

Speaker 5 I think my third-grade female art teacher had those pants.

Speaker 1 They're very comfortable pants.

Speaker 9 They're very comfortable pants.

Speaker 5 She was showing me how to make pottery and shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's actually. Max is wearing the Chinese balloon that got shot down right now.

Speaker 1 Same material. No, these are comfortable pants.

Speaker 9 They're in style.

Speaker 1 They're not in style. No, no, no, no.
No, no, no. No, they are.
They're not in style. No, they are.
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 They are.

Speaker 5 Max is very defensive today.

Speaker 1 Well, it's Birds Week. All right, thanks.
It's a big week. Yeah, it's a big week.
It's a big week. So I've told Max this before because I didn't want to put him on the spot.

Speaker 1 We've had that happen with the Ray Allen tweet, and it went poorly.

Speaker 1 So I'm doing a better job of that. But here's the deal.
Everyone obviously knows the future I have at play with the Eagles, and I've decided that Max and our good friend Roan, you might know him as

Speaker 1 Angelo Palantonio.

Speaker 1 Max is going to the Super Bowl. I am buying him tickets.
Shout out game time.

Speaker 1 And there's only one rule. The rule is if the Chiefs win, he has to pay me back every single dollar plus interest.

Speaker 9 Where's the interest?

Speaker 1 Well, I'm going to charge you a point a week.

Speaker 1 So if it's like four grand tickets, he's four grand. You have to come back later on that night if you pay him in full.
No, if you don't have a bunch of things.

Speaker 1 You don't have to do that part. I was just out of that part.
But yes, so you are going to the Super Bowl. Correct.
Which is incredible because you get to see your team play in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 9 I still have an process. Exciting.

Speaker 1 It's a huge moment. But if they lose, you have to watch your team lose the Super Bowl and also pay me back for the Super Bowl tickets.
Correct. And if they win,

Speaker 1 free tickets because I'll be as happy as it could be.

Speaker 9 Yeah, thank you very much for.

Speaker 1 Well, don't thank me yet.

Speaker 9 No, well, I mean, regardless. I mean, you guys are

Speaker 1 going to win. Yeah.
Shut up, Hank. There's also, I've also made it very clear.

Speaker 1 So this is the part where AWLs win is they either get to see Max cry and yell Sed and maybe beat up a small child at the Super Bowl, which we will document.

Speaker 1 If the Chiefs win, you're paying me back, but you're also like hustling back to this room. where I will berate you for the entire episode on Sunday.

Speaker 9 Yeah, nah. No, it's pretty clear that

Speaker 1 whatever comes on Sunday,

Speaker 9 there is no in-between of it's either the number one best day of my entire life. Life, yes.
Or the number one worst day of my entire life.

Speaker 9 Like the middle ground, like the five grand just puts so much more of it.

Speaker 1 Here's the question. How nice of tickets do you want?

Speaker 9 Five grand.

Speaker 1 You sure? You don't want to be sitting like

Speaker 1 a 50-yard line? Well, he might have to pay for them. Well, he might have maybe 20 grand a ticket.

Speaker 9 I mean, what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 What are we doing?

Speaker 5 How deep in Big Cat's pocket do you want to potentially watch?

Speaker 1 Do you want to just use up the entire future? Well, here's the thing: here's the thing:

Speaker 1 80 grand, 90 grand tickets.

Speaker 1 I mean, I got to talk about it. I'm going to tell you this about Max.

Speaker 5 If you buy an $80,000 Super Bowl ticket for Max and he loses, and he now owes you 80, Max might actually kill you.

Speaker 5 You don't want to be 80 grand in debt to somebody.

Speaker 9 We would put on the greatest YouTube stream of all time of donations.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I'm looking at game time right now. There's some really good seats for like the four grand range.
I'm worried about Max though.

Speaker 5 I'm worried about Max and his Eagles because he cut his hair. And you had such strong, long,

Speaker 1 powerful hair. You cut your hair.

Speaker 5 And Max went out on Friday and got a haircut. He took like five inches off.

Speaker 1 Five inches.

Speaker 5 Remember when the Astros were up on the Nationals in the World Series and Chap shaved his beard? Yeah. That's what happened here.

Speaker 1 This is like right before someone has to admit that they committed a grisly murder. They cut their hair and then they go in and talk to the police.

Speaker 5 Or they go into court wearing glasses. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Oh, no, you're fine.
He's not.

Speaker 5 No, no, big cat.

Speaker 1 It was like down to here.

Speaker 1 This is long hair. I know a little trim before the Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but you never wear your hair down it on the sides. It's very, it's very obvious.
No, yeah. Well, the sides,

Speaker 9 I got it. The sides trimmed up a little bit.

Speaker 5 Maybe that's where the Eagles got their power.

Speaker 1 You're like, Sam.

Speaker 9 I didn't think about it when I went and got the haircut. It was really, my mother was looking at the stream and she was like, you better go get your haircut before the Super Bowl week.

Speaker 1 She goes with my hair. The birds are in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 9 Yes, of course.

Speaker 5 Max, have you cut your hair at all this season?

Speaker 1 No, I haven't. Oh, God.
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 How nice is your parents' house? Because I might be taking off the morning. No,

Speaker 9 there's a lot of things that could be going on here.

Speaker 1 Are they willing to sign?

Speaker 9 My parents are on board with me doing this.

Speaker 9 Sometimes they don't like if I'm financially irresponsible, but this is responsible.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's the physical option. It's a physically reasonable.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 And I just want to clear because there will be people who will be like, oh, big cat, like, if the Chiefs win, take pity on Matt. I will not.
No. Because it has to feel like this.

Speaker 1 Because I don't want you to think in the back of your head, like, oh, maybe he'll be. No, no, no.
It has to. We need to feel the pressure.

Speaker 9 So this is basically like

Speaker 9 a $5,000 bet for me. Like, the biggest bet I've ever placed in my life is, I think, $500.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 So this is 10X, 10X of that.

Speaker 1 But you could have the greatest night of your entire life.

Speaker 1 There's no in between. If the Eagles win, you go party, you call in.
Like, we'll call. Like, Hank has done that.
You don't have to rush back here. Three times.
Yeah. All right.
I walked into that.

Speaker 1 But you, like, you go party. You know what I mean? You call in.

Speaker 9 Me and Ron will have the greatest night of our life.

Speaker 1 Ever. Because I don't think your flight's till later on in the Monday.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 If the Chiefs win, you're back here. I want you.
I'm going to to make you cry again. Oh.

Speaker 9 No, I think there's a serious,

Speaker 9 like, we always joke about me crying. Like, if the Eagles lose on Sunday, there's, there's a serious, seriously, okay, well, save it because I want to see you cry.

Speaker 1 I think you're going to cry if they win. Maybe.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Tears.

Speaker 1 Oh, I can't. This is.
You're going to cry either way.

Speaker 9 This game is seven days away.

Speaker 1 Shall I buy the tickets right now on game time?

Speaker 9 No, we got to talk to Rome.

Speaker 1 We got to talk to Rome.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you're having second thoughts. No, no, no, no.
I think the hair thing is

Speaker 5 gotten to him. I think that.

Speaker 9 I could wear these pants. They're great pants.

Speaker 1 All right, we'll buy the tickets on Wednesday show on game time. Shout out game time.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 9 Maybe we bring Roan in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's perfect. We'll talk to him.
Yeah, because

Speaker 1 he will have to be in attendance if the Chiefs win. Yeah.
Back here. We're doing the.
Yeah, me and Ron are in this together. I want him holding

Speaker 1 a tissue, dabbing your eyes while you try to tell us how you fucked up.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be talking to you like you played 100 snaps. I'm going to be looking like you played 100 snaps.

Speaker 9 Like I think that I will feel worse than like the player on that team.

Speaker 5 Do you have your game day attire picked out like in terms of the jersey that you're going to wear?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 9 I'm wearing Barcelona merch.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
Like this sweatshirt. I was going to say, don't buy anything new.
No, no.

Speaker 9 This is going to be a frugal week for your boy.

Speaker 1 The only other thing we have to figure out is how we're going to, are we going to get maybe a GoPro? Should you bring in a gopro face that you're face yeah we're gonna we're gonna

Speaker 1 play the whole time i'd watch the whole thing especially if the chiefs won i'd watch the whole thing i'd be like i need that footage and i would save it for a dark place

Speaker 9 yeah yeah yeah it's gonna

Speaker 1 it

Speaker 5 it's gonna be the best night of my life i'm just gonna say that okay all right you sound you sound very short listen i want to fuck i max so nervous going to this game it's like you right now you're more nervous about the game than the actual Eagles are.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 No, that's what I'm saying. Like, I am going, like, I've never felt more a part of the game than I am going to feel.

Speaker 1 I would love.

Speaker 5 Are you going to get some practice reps in this week?

Speaker 9 Yeah, just watch old game tape.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I should watch

Speaker 9 the Eagles Bats Super Bowl just to

Speaker 9 remind myself that it can happen.

Speaker 1 You can lose.

Speaker 1 No, not the loss. Oh, which one? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Not the McNab puke one.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I would love for nothing more than for you to owe me me $0.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 That would be amazing.

Speaker 1 I'd be just as happy as you. All right.
All right. Max is who's back.

Speaker 1 I'm nervous for him. Those pants.
I've just basically

Speaker 1 subscribed to our YouTube and like the video.

Speaker 1 The pants are just insane. Well, no.
He said the first time he wore them, he ripped his pants and had to buy them. So that's like an emergency situation.
They look like you're.

Speaker 5 And then he just wears them all the time.

Speaker 1 But don't you think, like, it's not like

Speaker 1 any pants you buy for, like,

Speaker 6 you know, my pants ripped.

Speaker 11 You got to just buy any pants you can get your hands on.

Speaker 1 This is he just wears them like every week. This is the dude who has who has four kids.

Speaker 1 He's at the hockey rink on Saturday morning at 7 a.m. just hoping that the

Speaker 1 ref calls something bad and he can get into a fight.

Speaker 5 These are some major I give up pants.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 9 I was on, it was the day Pensei was in the Rose Bowl. I was getting into an

Speaker 9 and my pants literally ripped. Like, my dick was hanging out of my pants.

Speaker 1 Like, all up in my crotch

Speaker 9 was dick and balls were out of my pants. So, I went in, and these were the best things I could find, but they're super comfortable.

Speaker 9 These were my flying pants.

Speaker 5 It's like if a janitor wore Jinkos. That's what we're looking at.

Speaker 1 You wear pants like that. It's just major, like, I want to.
This is just unironically.

Speaker 5 Mine are the clutch jeans. Yeah, no, you break them out on special occasions.

Speaker 1 It's major, I want to yell at children's pants. His own or others.

Speaker 9 There's a chance that that's how this week ends.

Speaker 5 That's like what that giant dude that

Speaker 5 won the senator position in Philadelphia. That's like what he would wear to court.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Max, I don't want you wearing those shoes on Sunday.
I've worn them in the past. Okay, all right.
I mean, PFT bought those shoes because you lost to the Commanders.

Speaker 1 That was the only game that Jalen Hurts lost.

Speaker 6 Those are great points.

Speaker 5 Those are sick Eagles shoes.

Speaker 1 You were wearing shoes

Speaker 1 that commemorates the only time Jalen Hurts lost this season in a game he played.

Speaker 1 Do you think that might be a problem? Do you think that might be an issue?

Speaker 9 I've worn them the past few playoff games because PFT, you said the same thing to me

Speaker 9 in the NFC Championship.

Speaker 1 Do you remember? I mean, what size shoe do you wear? 12. Put these on.
You look a lot better. You look more like a dad.
No, no.

Speaker 1 Get those out of there. You're too showing your socks.

Speaker 1 All right, Jake, finish us off before we get to the schwam.

Speaker 8 My who's back is Duke.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 8 They snapped their losing streak, their two-game losing streak to North Carolina over the weekend.

Speaker 1 What were the two games they lost? They were 1-0.

Speaker 8 They lost Coach K's final home game and in the Final Four.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 8 And they are 1-0 in the post-Coach K era against North Carolina.

Speaker 5 Yeah, what about the rest of their record? Where are they in the ACC right now?

Speaker 9 They're in the top half, I believe.

Speaker 5 Oh, top half? Is that the Duke standard?

Speaker 5 I would say no.

Speaker 1 Miami minus Fortinite hammer play.

Speaker 8 Against Duke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so congratulations to Duke.

Speaker 8 They snapped the losing streak against UNC.

Speaker 1 I watched the whole thing.

Speaker 5 Coach K should come back.

Speaker 5 It's sad what's happened to the program since he left.

Speaker 1 I watched the whole game and it bummed me out because both Hubert Davis and John Shire like to play defense and that's not my Duke UNC.

Speaker 5 Did you watch the Auburn game? Auburn, Tennessee?

Speaker 1 I think the final was like some of that.

Speaker 5 It was like 43 to 41. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was awesome. Yeah.
So that bummed me out. Yeah.
That game should always go over.

Speaker 8 Also a reminder to call the bowling guy. Oh, yeah.
But it's 1220 Eastern.

Speaker 1 We got to do it, right?

Speaker 1 Hold on, now I got to scroll back. I got to save his number.
I'm going to save his number into my phone.

Speaker 1 Why are you calling him again?

Speaker 5 Because Pete Weber's not bowling in the World Cup over where he was this weekend.

Speaker 5 U.S. Open? U.S.
Open. U.S.
Open. He wasn't bowling in it.
Some dude with a fro was bowling, though. That guy looked cool.
I have no idea who he was. He just had a good vibe.

Speaker 1 By the way, I was looking at the scores.

Speaker 8 Somebody bowled a 177.

Speaker 5 So, Jay,

Speaker 5 you could be in the U.S. Open.

Speaker 1 I guess.

Speaker 5 It's just, it's gross that they didn't let Pete Weber bowl.

Speaker 1 It sinks to high amounts. Pete Weber is old.

Speaker 1 I went down a Pete Weber rabbit hole, and he just

Speaker 1 has been a badass since he fucking showed up on the scene.

Speaker 5 This is what happens when you're bigger than the game. They hate him.
They hate us because they ain't us, right, Hank?

Speaker 5 That was this year.

Speaker 6 I mean, that was this game.

Speaker 5 What do you mean, the Super Bowl? Hate us because they ain't us.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm saved his number so that this won't take long next time.

Speaker 1 What should be,

Speaker 1 it would be full circle. This

Speaker 6 was the greatest night of my life.

Speaker 1 I think it's, yeah, like one in the morning where I'm calling him.

Speaker 6 Do you know who the Eagles are going to have this guy?

Speaker 1 I'm probably

Speaker 5 thinking of new ways to railroad Pete Weber.

Speaker 1 What did you ask, Hank?

Speaker 6 Well, it's like, you know,

Speaker 6 when you come to these and your team's in the game, you start to try and find

Speaker 6 who they hire to perform after the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 So, like, don't listen to him.

Speaker 5 I'm serious. Meek Mill's definitely in town.

Speaker 6 Probably Meek Mill, Lil Uzi. It'd probably be an Unreal.
Unreal.

Speaker 1 I hope it happens.

Speaker 6 I have a future on them, too.

Speaker 5 Stop it. Fuck you.

Speaker 1 How much are you saying to make, Hank? $2?

Speaker 1 Like, $5.

Speaker 6 I could cash out right now for

Speaker 1 $2.30. I don't want to do.
I'm not going to.

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Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 we now welcome on very special guest, recurring guest.

Speaker 1 Hopefully this becomes a tradition, starting Super Bowl week with the Schwamm.

Speaker 1 We're back here almost exactly a year from the last time we saw you, back in Connecticut, getting ready for the Super Bowl. Thank you for joining us, first of all.

Speaker 1 You made the trek up here.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's the easiest trek in the world when we get to sit with you for an hour. So thank you for joining us.
I do hope this becomes a tradition. We were like, how do we kick off Super Bowl week?

Speaker 1 How do we one-up the schwam from last year? Well, let's just do it again. Let's run it back for the people.
So, and we're lucky because we're sitting here on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 We're going to run this on Monday to start Super Bowl week. Tom Brady retired an hour ago.
He did? So we get, yeah, so we get breaking news. So we get

Speaker 1 your unfiltered thoughts right away. So let's start there.
I mean,

Speaker 1 is it a discussion greatest of all time? You've watched more football than probably anyone in the world. Wow.

Speaker 1 Is he the greatest of all time? Are you going to say Joe Montana? I know you got a relationship with Joe Montana, but laid on us. I do.
It's one and one A. I mean, but if,

Speaker 1 and yeah, it can be recurring. One is an accident, two is a trend.
No, we often said three was a problem, but we also said when there were good things, three is evidence. So we're on that.

Speaker 1 Just as an aside. So if the ultimate yardstick, again, a football term, no pun intended, is winning,

Speaker 1 Well, so think of this. And I didn't think of this till like an hour ago.
So he played, well, 08 he was hurt, so 21 years, like played. He was on the Patriots in 2000, but 01 to 22 minus a year.

Speaker 1 So he played in half the Super Bowls. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He won a third of them, seven out of 21.

Speaker 1 And he won early, and he didn't win the very last year, but he won late, like real late.

Speaker 1 He won in different fashions.

Speaker 1 Like football was, I don't want to say a different Neanderthal 20 years ago, but think of the way, and of course he won the sixth with Bill Belichick and then the one other Tampa.

Speaker 1 Think of the way the Patriots of 01, 03, 04 were. Yeah.
They were not ground and pound, but it was

Speaker 1 defensive.

Speaker 1 You know, the last year, 04 was probably their best of those three. They had Corey Dillon to run, but not the other years.

Speaker 1 By 07, which was

Speaker 1 19-0 if you take off the last minute.

Speaker 1 But for the history books, it was Randy Moss 25 touchdowns. It was 50 touchdowns in the year, whatever he had.

Speaker 1 It was that. Not that they didn't play defense, but it wasn't.

Speaker 1 That was the headline. Brady DeMoss, 50.
Now the one they lost to the Giants in 11, again, only four years. The two tight ends, they had Gronk and Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 1 They weren't the only offensive players they had, but they were, that was the headline.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 now all along, and I'm going to jump in here, the only constants offensively were a slot, Troy Brown, begat Wes Welker, begat Julian Edelman as we move forward, and always a back, Kevin Falk,

Speaker 1 you know, and James White later on, and the fellow that went to the Giants. I'm spacing for a moment.
He caught a lot in that Seahawk game.

Speaker 1 But those are the only concerts. They weren't the headlines.
Although the slight, Edelman and Welsh were caught a lot.

Speaker 1 So now toward the end, the comeback year,

Speaker 1 the win against Seattle,

Speaker 1 which is monumental,

Speaker 1 the comeback

Speaker 1 was monumental against Atlanta. And then oddly enough, the only two that he won that weren't at the wire

Speaker 1 were the kind of 13 to 3.

Speaker 1 They won over the Rams and then the one with Tampa over Kansas. My point is, I'm not saying he won with,

Speaker 1 they still had great coaching.

Speaker 1 He's still Tom Brady and how he threw 700 passes at 45 years old. We actually will never know.
I'm going to eat avocado ice cream for the rest of my life. Okay.
No, you aren't. But maybe not.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I haven't found it yet, but I will.

Speaker 1 So I'm going on, but these are like the Tom Thoughts. So it wasn't like they want this is what we do

Speaker 1 for 20 years. We don't do that.
Evolved. It was different.
And he,

Speaker 1 something about winning and the great ones.

Speaker 1 I remember Joe Montana, I think we took Joe Montana told me once when I interviewed him, and I know when it was, it was before the fourth and as it turned out, final Super Bowl that he won in 89.

Speaker 1 I said, what is it about winning?

Speaker 1 And he thought for five seconds and he went, I'm just so darn afraid to lose.

Speaker 1 It's such a simple answer. Yeah.
I don't think that way. Do you guys like, I'm afraid to lose what? Like my car keys? Like I do it every day.
Like where did I put them? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, and I know Tom's the same way. The fact that he, and one more, and then I'm talking too much.

Speaker 1 The fact that maybe he was 36 or 37, I don't know what year it was that I interviewed him in New England, which he was good enough to give me every year or two, like I just alone, usually in January before their first playoff game interview.

Speaker 1 I said, so how long do you want to do this? Not expecting, I didn't know what the answer was going to be. He went, I think 45.
And I said, hold on, Tom. Did you say 40?

Speaker 1 Because that's, he goes, no, no, boomer. I said 45.
Swami. You could swam.
I said, 45. I went, really?

Speaker 1 That's like eight year or whatever it was.

Speaker 1 He played the 45. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was a goal. Yeah.
That was a goal, and he reached it. And that's the craziest part is, you know, everyone, Mahomes looks like he's on the path to being a multi-Super Bowl winner.

Speaker 1 And we'll find out if he gets that second, you know, ring in a week here. But the fact that Tom Brady did, he won four Super Bowls after the age of 37, 38.

Speaker 1 Like, that's just, how many guys are going to be able to play that long? You see it all the time. You know, even the greats, Peyton Manning, his arm kind of betrays him.

Speaker 1 You know, all, you know, Ben Rothelsberger, the end there was a little bit, you know, it's not the same.

Speaker 1 He was kind of the same all the way through, and he was able to play till 45 and be that good through 45.

Speaker 1 Yes, and that good. I mean, it's not like he threw 700 passes and completed none of them.
I mean, they were 8-9 this year, and they lost the playoff game, but it's like he's 45, dude.

Speaker 1 We used to marvel our guy at George Blander. Well, he would come off the bench.
He would kick at 44, 45, I think till 46, and maybe come in for a series if a quarterback got hurt.

Speaker 1 By the way, the Niners could have used George Blander. Well, he's gone now.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? But that's neither here nor there. But he's a stud at 45.
And if he wasn't quite Mahomes

Speaker 1 Burrow Allen last year, which he wasn't,

Speaker 1 he's the very next group. Yeah.
And this is 45-year-old Tom Brady, not he's holding on. And thank God we get to buy a ticket and tell my grandkids I saw Tom Brady.
Right.

Speaker 5 I think he threw 50 passes or more than 50 passes in their playoff loss. Yeah, like 60, maybe.
Yeah, maybe even 60 passes. And that's what's remarkable about Tom Brady is the longevity of his career.

Speaker 5 Football is a violent sport. It's a real, I mean, all you have to do is watch that 49ers Eagles game.
Purdy gets injured in his, what, like, eighth NFL game, ninth NFL game. Josh Johnson comes in.

Speaker 5 He gets injured as well after, you know, maybe two series. Tom Brady, with the exception of his ACL year, he had a relatively injury-free career.

Speaker 5 It's remarkable to play through your 40s until you're 45 and still be able to get out of bed every morning and be like, I want to go on a field and maybe get tackled by Nadamikan Sue.

Speaker 1 It's wild. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, you say, well, some guys are lucky. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 It's the little things that the three of us will never be smart enough to know that he did all his career in the pocket. The little shift.
I see you two steps, not one step two later.

Speaker 1 Here's Nadamik and Sue. Yeah.
Not to say that you're the same. Feeling that pressure.
Yeah. After, you know, growing family, Thanksgiving.
You know, we've all come in.

Speaker 1 little things that he did to avoid,

Speaker 1 to put the odds in his favor. One hit can do anything, obviously, as we saw in the Niners.
You know, they lost their other quarterback in two games, right? Yeah. So, I mean,

Speaker 1 yes, it's to his credit of all the conditioning and whatever he has done, which is unbelievable, but

Speaker 1 it is incredible. So

Speaker 1 football coaches will tell you guys, as they've told me,

Speaker 1 availability goes way up

Speaker 1 on as I evaluate someone. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So before he even throws a pass, he's available for 22 years. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, you can't tell the story of Tom Brady without the story of Boomer. Because, I mean, you kind of bookend him a little bit.

Speaker 5 You were there during the catch game. People forget that.
Tom Brady also at that game.

Speaker 1 Well, Tom was like four or whatever, three, four, the picture with him and with the foam finger. That was from another time.
Yeah, I didn't know that he was there then. He didn't know me then.

Speaker 1 He was four. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, it was you, Tom Brady, John Candy.

Speaker 1 John Candy was a little later. You know, that was the 88 Super Bowl.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Bengal.

Speaker 1 That's one of the great Joe Montana. We're getting off it, but that's the Joe Montana story that some of your guys may not know.

Speaker 1 So they got the ball down to the Bengals in 88 with four minutes or whatever in their own and long Super Bowl timeouts. And they're in the huddle and kind of tense.

Speaker 1 And Joe pops his head up and he goes, oh my God, or whatever he said,

Speaker 1 look over there. And a few guys looked up.

Speaker 1 It's John Candy. He was on the sidelines.
And a couple of the guys laughed. Randy Cross told me,

Speaker 1 let's go win this thing.

Speaker 1 But that's the greatness, too, is those guys you hear all the stories about Tom Brady when they're in the huddle, knowing that they always have a chance and knowing that calm, cool, you know, that's the the part that I think people probably discount with these great quarterbacks of getting in the huddle with them and having that demeanor of, we're good.

Speaker 1 Like, we might be down, but we're good. We got this.
Like, I'll lead us there. I'll take us down the field.
I'm calm. I'm looking at John Candy in the stands.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, you don't see, I mean, that is the true greatness of some of these guys. It is.

Speaker 1 And to be a fellow player, which, of course, we're not in the huddle to experience that, like, we have a chance even if we're down 10 or 20. Well, we're 28 to 3

Speaker 1 in that case. It means a lot.
Yeah. It means confidence breeds a lot of success.

Speaker 1 It's not just because Tom goes, we can win this. It's we have seen it 100 times.
What about the 100 first? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, right. They do a lot of psychological studies about what choking means in big moments.
And I think a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Like us over a three-foot punt.

Speaker 1 I didn't mean it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, maybe like over a T-bone steak. But no, it's like if you have if you have doubt in your mind, doubt creates these little small moments in your brain that lead to

Speaker 5 physiological changes that you're a little bit shaky.

Speaker 5 But if you have confidence, if you're around a guy that you know has done it before, will make you win, all of a sudden, you don't have that doubt.

Speaker 5 So you're less likely to make the little nervous errors that you are, and you're more likely to win as a team.

Speaker 5 And I think that's something that, yeah, obviously the great ones, you know, Tom Brady, if Tom Brady's in my huddle, it's like, yeah, well, he came back from 28 to 3. We can win this game.

Speaker 5 And it strikes me, you've seen a lot of some of the, you've seen the best games a football ever played, a lot of them in person. What would you say is the best game that you've ever been to?

Speaker 1 Well, the one thing, and that's a good question. The one thing I'll qualify it is, is that except for Super Bowls, of which this one will be,

Speaker 1 God,

Speaker 1 41st? You know, 41st in a row. First Niner one was my first one.
Okay. Montana, 16th.

Speaker 1 But other than that, and championship games before we were doing primetime and then it was NFL game day,

Speaker 1 I wasn't at a lot of games because I'm always in the studio. So I have to recuse myself from, well, what about that game? But I'll give you a couple.

Speaker 1 So the best

Speaker 1 two regular season games, and

Speaker 1 we'll do that first.

Speaker 1 I'm omitting a few, but

Speaker 1 the day the Saints reopened, they came back after Katrina because there was so much more to it, as you know.

Speaker 1 And I was in late September, so this isn't, but

Speaker 1 I remember on the pregame saying, we made our picks. I said the 78 Steelers wouldn't win in here tonight.
Yeah. It's just not happening.
And Gleason, Steve Gleason blocking the punt, which now,

Speaker 1 after all that, Steve, ALS, I mean, you know, who knows how that story doesn't grow, but it like takes even more meaning and what that meant to the people.

Speaker 1 The best regular season game I was fortunate enough to be at, well, there were two, because I went to some Monday Nighters.

Speaker 1 The Niners and the Giants each lost their first game in 90, like the week before. They're both, don't quote me on this, 11-0, 10-0.

Speaker 1 And there's a candlestick like December 4th or something in 90. And

Speaker 1 it was 7-3.

Speaker 1 Which you wouldn't have, I mean, the Giants, yeah, Parcells, but you wouldn't have a Joe Montana

Speaker 1 game seven to three, but it was whoa. And in the end, they played in the championship game, and the Montana got knocked out, and the Giants won on five field goals, and they upset Buffalo.

Speaker 1 But the biggest was the 12-0 Bears. I knew you were going to get to this.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 I'm seeing I'm like Steve Gleason and the catch, like the hair. I get tingles.

Speaker 1 12-0, the Bears, and obviously in the playoffs they obliterated everybody so they lost

Speaker 1 but it was as if it was marino's super bowl yeah because in retrospect that was it yeah uh in 85 he never you know he never

Speaker 1 really had it he never got back right the year before they lost to montana well this is marino the bears and i'll never forget i think did we do this last time i don't know we might have

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 i came out doing interviews before the game which john shula always gave me one. He was great.

Speaker 1 You know, and three hours before, whatever, you go up and get something to eat and you come out in the old, the orange was like a nine o'clock kickoff back then.

Speaker 1 And you come out underneath kind of the bowels of an old stadium.

Speaker 1 You come out and it's bright and it's Miami. And it's, and at the first, I come out on the Miami side like a 10 of nine.

Speaker 1 And I see Shula with the jaw out, you know, like already. And I look down to the left of the Miami players.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 there's Larry Zonka and Jim Kick.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's Nick Bonacanti over there.

Speaker 1 I think Bob Greasy wasn't there. He told me later he wasn't, but, oh,

Speaker 1 that's Larry Little.

Speaker 1 And I went, oh,

Speaker 1 okay, I get it. Yeah.
Bears are not winning. Yeah.
Bears are not winning. But

Speaker 1 the catch of a not, you know.

Speaker 1 Because it kind of started my

Speaker 1 not so much my personal relationship with the Niners and Joe and Dwight, the late Dwight Clark and Eddie DeBartolo and all of it, but it was,

Speaker 1 as history has told us, it was

Speaker 1 a game that, like the tuck game, started the Patriots.

Speaker 1 The Cats started the Niners. You didn't know they were going to win the Super Bowl two weeks later.

Speaker 1 You didn't know in the Tuck game that the Patriots were going to beat the two touchdown favorite Rams. There are games like that that kind of, in retrospect, history, jump start it.

Speaker 1 And then we can get to the Super Bowls, which I've omitted those.

Speaker 1 So 41 in a row. You're going to, you're 41st.
41st. Incredible.
So, yeah, favorite Super Bowl memory or play. So many.
However you want to go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So many.

Speaker 1 You know.

Speaker 1 The Niners, except for that Bengal one I talked about with John Candy,

Speaker 1 they ended up,

Speaker 1 they were in control of the other three, especially the Denver one, the last one.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 I'm not old enough to have attended those Pittsburgh Dallas ones. I watched them, but you know, I was high school, college, et cetera.

Speaker 1 The Super Bowls, the last, they used to, the majority were blowouts. Yes.
Now, not Pittsburgh, Dallas, but majority were blowouts.

Speaker 1 In this century, you know, 20, 22 years,

Speaker 1 they've like three-fourths of them have been

Speaker 1 kind of like this season, right? Yeah. Close.
Even you don't think of, okay, I'm not putting this first. Pittsburgh over Arizona.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Whoa, what if Harrison goes 100 yards? Larry Fitzgerald catches a bomb and is running 80 yards or whatever it is. And then Ben to home.
Sorry, I'm mentioning that.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the Giants upsetting in the big toaster.

Speaker 1 Brady with a minute, under a minute to go. Like Tom Jackson said

Speaker 1 we had to be underneath then. That for whatever reason, we weren't on the field the last four minutes and we were watching on the screen.
Tom said, I look like,

Speaker 1 even though they were down to the seven or whatever they were, the Giants,

Speaker 1 oh my goodness, they completed it. Yeah.
You know?

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 28-3, I wouldn't, that's up there, but I wouldn't. I mean, I'm not putting that one.

Speaker 1 Although maybe in some ways you should, but I'm not.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 did any of them top the catch for me being at it? Ooh.

Speaker 1 And I'm probably forgetting a great, I'm not forgetting. I don't forget any of them.

Speaker 1 So the unlikely interception of Malcolm Butler, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 The reason, again, this is not that that was 2014 and we're only 20-22 season. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The reason I will point that as one of the most important games in the 50-plus year history of the Super Bowl is

Speaker 1 Seattle is about to win.

Speaker 1 It would have been two in a row.

Speaker 1 Would they have won with the Legion of Boom not upset all those alphas?

Speaker 1 could they have won three in a row, which nobody's done? Maybe.

Speaker 1 Next year, if everything was hunky-dory, right, they won.

Speaker 1 We don't know. They would have been the team of the last decade.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And had

Speaker 1 Tom and the Patriots lost,

Speaker 1 look, the two they lost are the Giants and that one of Seattle, they're both like just the way they won the other ones at the wire, but all of a sudden 3-0 becomes 3-3. Oh, what's the matter?

Speaker 1 They can't win the big, which. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, and it goes a decade between winning one.

Speaker 5 Really, that jump-started the third act of Tom Brady's career.

Speaker 1 Yes, very good.

Speaker 5 And if they don't get that interception, I remember after the game, I was sitting with a friend of mine, Danny Kelly, who used to write about the Seahawks, and he lived and breathed that team.

Speaker 5 And we were talking about it, and he said it perfectly. He was like, I think we just got a dynasty taken away from us tonight.

Speaker 1 He knew. And I think, you know, would they have won the next year? You don't know.
But there wouldn't have been unbelievable bickering and this and that. And

Speaker 1 had they,

Speaker 1 it would have been defensive that led it all. Yeah.
And that changed the course of ultra-modern football, if you will. To your point, I didn't look at it this way.

Speaker 1 It did jumpstart Tom's third, although, and what I remember about that game, and this is historic too, and I said it on the air that night. I don't know why I.
So from Seattle led by 10,

Speaker 1 although

Speaker 1 they stopped Marshawn Lynch on a third and short, and they kicked a field goal and made it 10 instead of first down and then maybe 14.

Speaker 1 That's part of the reason why they didn't run Marshawn again. I mean, I do know that, but then neither here nor there.

Speaker 1 So he completed just about every pass from that point on, Tom.

Speaker 1 And to Edelman or Gronk, mostly. And then who was it? He went to the back out of the spacing, but it'll come to me.
Went on to the Giants.

Speaker 1 He completed every pass. And I remember reading, of course, about the greatest game ever played, right? Like 1958, I was three years old.

Speaker 1 Johnny Onidas, Yankee Stadium, Sudden Death, they beat the New York Giants, a game that that's what put football on the TV and in the public eye and grew it like this, and then the Packers grew it more, and then by the 70s they were.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 someone who was at the game or some writer like your friend was smart enough to write the iconic voice, Bob Shepard, the PA announcer. I assume it was him at the time.

Speaker 1 Unidas has passed to Raymond Berry, complete, first down Baltimore. And I thought, this must be like Johnny Annidas completing all these passes for the tying drive.

Speaker 1 And then, and then which, I don't know. So I bridged Johnny Annitis to Tom Brady at that point.

Speaker 1 I don't know if anybody else did, but I did. Yeah.

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Speaker 5 I heard a rumor about one of the Super Bowls that you covered. Not sure if it's true.

Speaker 5 I don't think anybody's written about it that I can find, but I heard that Tom Jackson and you, after the Redskins Broncos Super Bowl,

Speaker 5 I heard that, was it both you guys were pantsless?

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Well, it sounds like something illicit, but this was, so it's our first one that we did.

Speaker 1 I mean, I covered Super Bowls from 81. It was our first one with prime time.

Speaker 1 And Thomas just retired in 86 and was a rookie with me, a rookie TV with me.

Speaker 1 And it was our first year of having the NFL, and it was a different thing. And it was at San Diego at the Murph.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, the Broncos are playing in it, and they led 10-0 and all this stuff

Speaker 1 and our site was for post-game because during the week you're somewhere else but post-game you got to be near the stadium if we're going to be go to three-quarters of it then make our way over to the set and it was on the top of like like a three-story building but you had to it was you had to drive around it but then there was a little creek okay

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 So that's why, okay, meet me at the end of the third quarter down here, da-da-da-da-da. Let's drive over to the thing.

Speaker 1 Well, Tom wasn't there and you know there's no cell phones 1987 or you know january 88

Speaker 1 i gotta go and he was with the broncos not on the field but whatever and oh my god by that point it's a blowout for doug williams right and

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 where's time i am i don't know and then about 10 of eight meaning 11 it's dark now

Speaker 1 Tom, maybe quarter of, he comes up.

Speaker 1 There was no van. There was no nothing.
No one knew where he he was. He, like a football player,

Speaker 1 he forded the stream, which looked like, okay, six inches of water. Okay, we've all had wet.

Speaker 1 Boom, like it wasn't six feet, but he went in it dark. Yeah.
And branches and twigs and snapped off. And

Speaker 1 he went like two feet in.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 And now he's...

Speaker 1 I mean, that's my first Super Bowl show. I'm about to get fired.
The Broncos get beat, whatever the 49,

Speaker 1 42 to 10 or whatever.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 all of a sudden he comes up and I

Speaker 1 shiver what the,

Speaker 1 you know, and well, I didn't see it then. He's bleeding.
And it's just,

Speaker 1 I don't know how they had other clothes or maybe he had what he was going to wear there already, probably.

Speaker 1 He was shivering because it wasn't like a warm scene.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, we're on like an eight minutes. I said, Tell you what, Tom, just I'll come to me.
I'll just do the highlights. I'll introduce you, but you're not going to be seen.
You got another like

Speaker 1 seven or eight minutes. So you get 10, 15 minutes to get together.
And they got him together. I mean, he got on the air.

Speaker 1 So by the time the highlights, and the final score was a 42 to 10, whatever it was, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then we come out to Tom and me.

Speaker 1 And I said,

Speaker 1 well, I

Speaker 1 I didn't point out that he wasn't there to do the analysis on the highlights.

Speaker 1 I forget who else did that with us. But

Speaker 1 I said, Tom, looked at him with a straight face. I went, if someone were to tell you that the Denver Broncos were to lead 10 to nothing

Speaker 1 and then give up the next 42 points or whatever it was,

Speaker 1 You would have told me to jump in a lake, wouldn't you? And

Speaker 1 he would have lost it.

Speaker 1 So he wasn't pantsless, but it was

Speaker 1 nip and tuck for him to get on at the end of an eight-minute highlight.

Speaker 1 He had to ford the stream in the dark. I mean, this is like Washington across the Delaware.
Yeah, that's amazing. That's a true story.
He was a ball player, right? You laugh about it to this day.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's great. That's great.

Speaker 5 I mean, the relationship that you and Tom had, watching that evolve over the years, I mean, I think for myself and Big Cat, watching you guys do the highlights together, that was the highlight of our week was seeing you guys do that.

Speaker 5 It's been cool to see, you know, you've got the studio named after both you guys now.

Speaker 5 And now you're working with Booger, who's a friend of ours.

Speaker 5 How has that transition been to start working with Booger after you were working with Tom for decades?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 Booger is great,

Speaker 1 and I know he's a friend of your guys, and he's Tom 2.0. Now, Tommy and I still talk every week or every other week.

Speaker 1 We talk Sunday morning before the, you know, the Bengals Chiefs, he's from Cincinnati, or lives there now.

Speaker 1 And we'll talk next week when I get out to Arizona.

Speaker 1 You're not making me drive with you, are you? No, no, good.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you learn things. It's great.

Speaker 1 Put the period at the end of the sentence.

Speaker 1 So, you know, Tommy and I could complete each other's sentences. And what was most fun about Tom.

Speaker 1 and still is, and I didn't realize it till a few years in, I was, boom, I listened to the same music you did growing up. And I said, well, you know, I listened to a lot of the same that you did.

Speaker 1 And he from Cleveland, certainly a different background than me, football player, Louisville, Ivy League, Brown, you know, but we both like football. So,

Speaker 1 and he was an ex-player and a really good one, as you know, 14 years, still among the league. The Bronco leaders in games played 190 or whatever.

Speaker 1 He was like, wow.

Speaker 1 Look at that play.

Speaker 1 You don't expect a football player. And I was new to that too, having a regular partner.
They're like fans, too, even though they play it and broke bones doing it. So Tommy and I were that way.

Speaker 1 Booger,

Speaker 1 Booger is

Speaker 1 unbelievably pleasant, which is not the first prerequisite of being my partner. You know, put up with my crap, which I, you know, I guess that's important.

Speaker 1 I don't mean crap behind the scenes. I mean, on the airline, hey, boom, you can give me a chance.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 here's what, so it really was much by week four or five.

Speaker 1 So we've done it three years, right? Three years now. Is it three or is it four? Primetime, no 17, no 18 on ESPN plus 19.
And Tommy did it that one year. Then COVID Kennedy was done.

Speaker 1 So 2021, 22 with Booger.

Speaker 1 Like in five weeks, it was pretty seamless. You don't ever expect that.
And what makes Booger great is

Speaker 1 this behind the scenes stuff. If I, a lot of that's unrehearsed.
Primetime, there's no commercials.

Speaker 1 So we didn't go over, oh, that game just ended, you know, the Rams in Seattle, and it was a great finish. I'm making it up.
And the highlights run into. We don't even have the model.

Speaker 1 We don't even, we can't even cheat. I don't know who.
I'm the only one in America that don't know who won when we do the highlight. Because there's no even timeout.
Okay, Seattle won 45, 42.

Speaker 1 You won't believe the play at the end. I don't get that.
It's here's your sheet. So I can go to him at the end of a book.
Like, look to me in that. Seattle didn't, or didn't blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 He's got something intelligent. He's got something unrehearsed.
He's got something

Speaker 1 in 15 seconds. Not easy.

Speaker 5 He's also delusional, though, because he thinks that he can be a PGA golfer. Like, seriously, he thinks that he could quit doing sports analysis and within about a year, he could step onto the tour.

Speaker 5 He honestly believes that.

Speaker 1 You know, a lot of the great athletes.

Speaker 1 Sterling Sharp, who worked with us and was a great receiver, obviously, until he had to retire because he might not have walked properly had he got the proper hit

Speaker 1 and wasn't there when the Packers won the Super Bowl the very next year. But he worked with us.
Sterling, I don't believe, played golf while he played.

Speaker 1 He certainly wasn't playing in the winter in Green Bay. I know that much.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Sterling is, I don't know about now, but Sterling, because of the athlete and maybe the same thought,

Speaker 1 like a two or a three.

Speaker 1 And he didn't play, you know and so i get it boog i i've i didn't play with him this year we try to do a saturday in like late september early october he'll come in before he's got to get on and we'll play at 8 a.m on a saturday

Speaker 1 his first college hits like two o'clock or something yeah yeah and we we didn't get that done this year i i forget why not but uh so i can't vouch for how he played this year is he much better player now well no when i heard him say that i think it was like three years ago So, you've probably seen him.

Speaker 1 I believe whenever you see an ex-athlete, professional athlete, no matter what sport they play, and they pick up any other sport, you see it and you're like, oh, like, I see how they move.

Speaker 1 It's just different. You know, like

Speaker 1 they throw a ball, they hit a golf club. You're like, yep, that's the difference between me and you right there.

Speaker 1 So, the hockey players, not every one of them, are great golfers

Speaker 1 because that's their three-month summer in Canada that they can play golf, but they because it's the shot. Kickers, football kickers.

Speaker 1 Is it because we have a T?

Speaker 1 I think it's because they have time. They just have time.
So many of them are scratch

Speaker 1 or really

Speaker 1 good golfers.

Speaker 1 Stenarude. George Blanda was like a two when he was in his 60s.
Wow. Okay.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's, I don't, I mean, you're not kicking the ball the way you're swinging. I don't know why it's.
I think it is because they have so much time on there.

Speaker 5 I think it's a combination of time.

Speaker 5 Yeah, a lot of time. And then also anything that's just a repetitive motion that you have to replicate over and over again.
I bet a lot of them are good bowlers, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, mental toughness.

Speaker 5 Like, same principle. If you get up there, you do the same thing every time.

Speaker 1 Who is it that's a 300 bowler? Woogie Bets is a 300. Yeah, well, we had Pete Weber on the show today.
Pete Weber. And we were talking to him.

Speaker 1 Come on now. Yeah, we were saying, like,

Speaker 1 our memories are.

Speaker 1 When you're a shankle, yeah, our our memories are of watching Prime, you know, the Sunday countdown, watching you, and then be like, all right, and enjoy the games, and then boom, it's Pete Weber before you could change the channel.

Speaker 1 It's like, wait, hold on. It's football.
Tommy loved that word. Yeah.
Keggler's Tom.

Speaker 5 Norm, who is Norm, what was his name?

Speaker 1 The other, like one of his rivals, Norm. It was a lefty.
With Johnny Petraglia, it was one of them. Yeah.
And there was another one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm forgetting, but they were at the Chris Schenkel Wire World. I mean, one of the stops on the PBA tour, which got big ratings now, 60s, 70s.
Yeah. Big.

Speaker 1 Up here at Bradley Airport. I don't know, maybe because right across the street from our airport in Hartford, the Bradley Bowl.
And that would be a regular stop.

Speaker 1 I don't know what time of year it was that they were, they were, the Kegglers were here in Connecticut.

Speaker 5 That always struck me as ESPN waving just a temporary white flag on Sunday afternoons.

Speaker 5 It was like, here's countdown, and then here's Boomer with a straight face telling you to stick around and watch bowling.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, yeah, that's very funny. Well, we had to put something on the

Speaker 1 maybe those who don't like football will like bowling.

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't care about that football, like those two. Yeah, yeah.
It had to be something that I don't like football. Or tennis.
I'm not knocking any of those,

Speaker 1 right? Or here's a, what do we have now? Women's hoops? I mean, again, it's not a knock. I mean, it's okay.
Who's not watching football? How can we get them? Yeah. Not the easiest to pro

Speaker 1 Sundays for football.

Speaker 1 The Keglers. Tony loved the boom.
We have the Kegler, you know, the last commercial. What's next? The Kegglers? I go, yeah, yeah, we get Keglers, you know, from wherever layings.

Speaker 1 I hadn't thought of pro bowling. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They could be. Yeah.
Good, good memory.

Speaker 1 That goes

Speaker 1 away. It was literally like, how fast can you turn the channel? Because you would just be, all right, enjoy your Sunday.
You might have lost the remote. Yeah, and then boom, wait, whoa, what is this?

Speaker 1 Is bowling? Okay, we got to get to the football.

Speaker 1 Just like that. That's funny.
You had one minute of the Kicklers.

Speaker 1 Did you tell Pete to jump

Speaker 1 so they don't review like the Eagles did?

Speaker 1 Did you wonder whether he, as soon as they came on, he just rolled the first ball down the lane and maybe it was a strike?

Speaker 5 That was the prime real estate right there in the first 30 seconds of the bowling time.

Speaker 1 You got to have a strike on the first ball. Yes, God.
So everyone sees it.

Speaker 5 He's a big fan of yours, though. He wanted us to pass along his salutations.

Speaker 1 Well, me too. I mean, Pete Weber, Johnny Petraglia might have been the lefty, and there was another with an N.

Speaker 1 I mean, I mean, you know, we all tried bowling, right? Yeah, I mean, it's fun, fun sport. So, wait, what are you golfing these days? Hey, you know, I turned

Speaker 1 the answer right there.

Speaker 1 I'm still like

Speaker 1 a different 13 or 14 than I used to be.

Speaker 1 Not that anybody cares, a little back surgery a year ago, all of them and you know, upper 60s. So, this was the year that I refused to give in until the very end

Speaker 1 you know you're you're hitting fairways

Speaker 1 but you've lost

Speaker 1 with all your clubs 10 15 even though oh i hit that pretty good oh okay i still have to hit another seven wood

Speaker 1 and you're not getting on the majority of the par fours anymore like you could

Speaker 1 but You're going to put a seven wood from 200 on every time the pros don't do that.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm going to try it anyway.

Speaker 1 It went 180 and it rolled into the trap on the left. And now, you know, you're scrambling to make a bogey.

Speaker 1 Screw it up. So only in the end did I come to the realization that, you know what?

Speaker 1 If you're 50 yards or 40 yards short, learn to bump and run it. Give yourself a chance at a par.
And if you miss, it's a bogey. Yeah.
Just come to grips that you're not getting.

Speaker 1 And this isn't a seven-iron anymore, your second shot. Not that I put those on.
So I'm playing

Speaker 1 87, 88.

Speaker 1 All right. Oh, come on.
I'm not going to tell you like Booger, I'm going to be a pro golfer. Yeah, yeah, but that's pretty good.
That's a ultra senior champions past tour. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anything in the 80s is you're having fun. Because that's, you know, that means that you're not running around in the woods and shooting a million shots.

Speaker 1 That's fun golf. That's our story.
We're sticking with it. Yeah, right.
Exactly.

Speaker 5 You get one hole to check out the scenery. And the rest of it, you're, for the most part, fairway adjacent.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Now, there's always a couple that's ip in pocket yeah you know yeah

Speaker 1 okay and and sometimes it's i hate this hole and and it's going to be a seven and it is a seven and you some the way i get around that is now on the holes

Speaker 1 and the holes that i know are going to be real trouble i'll sometimes put a seven before i tee off then if i make a six you go

Speaker 1 down money yeah yeah that's a different way to do it how about that the power of positive negative things things. Yes, I like that.
You got to get negative to get positive.

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Speaker 5 If it's okay with you, I'd like to just gass you up for a second. Go ahead.
And I think that you don't get enough credit for cable television as a whole.

Speaker 5 I think you can trace the rise of cable TV in America directly to Chris Berman.

Speaker 5 Because ESPN, think about it.

Speaker 5 People, most people growing up, at least, you know, my friends, my coworkers, we got cable because ESPN was on there. Sports was on there.
Why were people watching ESPN?

Speaker 5 Because Chris Berman helped to elevate that channel. I think you should get residuals on every

Speaker 1 single

Speaker 1 TV package sold. Your agent will love that one.

Speaker 5 Just like retroactively be like, hey, you owe me $5 billion.

Speaker 1 Kind of like Bill Rasmus and our founder who is 90 and who is still, I talked to him several times. He should get residuals, not me.
So very kind. You gassed me.

Speaker 5 But you were right there at the beginning of the cable TV revolution. And you were a big part of that.

Speaker 5 I mean, we always look back on things that we've accomplished, and maybe in retrospect, they seem huge. But at the time, we don't know what we're doing.

Speaker 1 At the time, did you realize what a big deal cable tv was going to become well we certainly didn't realize what we started i think we we talked about this first of all thank you i can't look i i ended up being a quarterback or the not the quarter but a quarterback at espn and so you get more credit than you deserve occasionally get more blame than you deserve but mostly the former you know

Speaker 1 i started when

Speaker 1 we put the flag in the north pole right or one month later right like we we were the first ones to find the north pole or we landed on the moon, more accurate.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 ESPN, HBO existed, but you had to pay for it over and above and cable late 70s. We started in 79, CNN 80.
I'm going to deflect this a little bit.

Speaker 1 ESPN Fall 79 CNN at some point 1980, MTV when it was really MTV, you know, music videos, which is a great idea. 82.

Speaker 1 Those weren't the only three channels, but if you're by the mid-80s

Speaker 1 getting cable or traveling, I live in New York, Chicago, where have you, I'm traveling to Seattle, the hotel, do they get those three channels?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got my music station, I got my news station, and I got my sports station, almost like listening to your local baseball game, except this is nationally ESPN. So in the 80s, I was not alone.

Speaker 1 I mean, Bob Lee, we can go on, Tom Mies. I mean, I could name you all the names and people you'll never know behind the scenes that without them, we never,

Speaker 1 I would have been fine, but we would have been, you know, the test pattern, right?

Speaker 1 We did 10 sports centers a week. So invariably, or 12, like two a day, and somebody's sick, I'll do it.

Speaker 1 So invariably, if you were turning on a sports center, you saw me or Bob or Tom or

Speaker 1 the many others, and I don't mean to eliminate names at all. I mean, Greg Gumbel, I worked with a lot then, and John Saunders came out in the mid-80s, and we can go on, they're all my friends.

Speaker 1 So, I was there a lot, whether you liked me or not. I became one of those synonymous with you.
Turn it on, there's Pete Weber bowling, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like I, you know, I never thought I'd be compared with Pete Weber, I wasn't as good as him. But so, thank you.
But, so, ESPN, here's what it was:

Speaker 1 I'm going to take me out of it.

Speaker 1 I always say

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 ESPN ESPN rode cable's coattails because from

Speaker 1 fall of 79 to fall of 89, it was a graph like this, cable TV.

Speaker 1 Nobody knew in 1980 people were going to spend for 36 channels, right, in the beginning, 20 bucks a month? What are you out of your mind? I mean, I've been 20 bucks a month for, right?

Speaker 1 I got to go to sleep. Yeah.
I got to eat. I got to go to work.
We don't have anything to tape anything with.

Speaker 1 What do I need?

Speaker 1 I got five on my TV, you know.

Speaker 1 So cable did this. So we rode its coattails, but cable rode ours.
I will, on behalf of the thousands of people that have ever worked at our place,

Speaker 1 I will say that it was a mutual riding of coattails. We weren't alone.

Speaker 1 But we went from three million homes and when I was there and we signed on to at some point 110 million hundred. I mean, it's not that anymore.
I mean, cable is not this, but it's

Speaker 1 it's it's live sports. stands the test of time you know it's it's when i when i think about what

Speaker 1 tv has become now and it's all the streaming and everything you know is on demand but live sports you can't replicate it's the best drama you can find and it's you know whatever game college basketball football anything you want to watch the live sports and that's the revolution part you know like thinking about in the 80s how many games could you watch a week not many yeah like a handful at most now you can watch a game at all times and that's the best part even games you don't care about.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, I care about them all because they gamble on them all. So, yeah.
Yeah, they do. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You want to throw some Italian soccer in my face? I'm in. Who's Hawaii playing tonight?

Speaker 1 No, I don't mean in hoop. I mean, I'm just.
Oh, I was just saying, hoop. Oh, no.
Oh, listen.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen, when you go, the Hawaii late-night game, when you're staying up till 3 a.m. to bet on that, you got to reassess some things.
Amen.

Speaker 1 Well, it's nice to imagine yourself in the stand. Yes, yes, yes.
As you sit in the Northeast or the upper Midwest

Speaker 1 in December watching the rainbows. Yeah, watching Hawaii.
Yeah, I mean, those were some fun teams. I had some when they were doing the

Speaker 1 running, you know, shooting, just throwing it all over the place. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Tommy Chang. Tommy Chang, one of the best all time.
Colt Rennie.

Speaker 1 Went to the, what was it, the aren't?

Speaker 1 Against Georgia, yeah. They got

Speaker 1 the mushed. Yeah.
Yeah. But it was a good season.
And they were closer than TCU. We're not knocking knocking TCU, but I mean, you never know.
It was a great season, and then

Speaker 1 that's why they play the game. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.

Speaker 5 You've also seen a lot of great halftime shows at these Super Bowls that you've been to. Are there any that stand out where you were looking forward to it?

Speaker 5 It hit all the right, like you were not disappointed by it?

Speaker 1 Well, you're not disappointed by it.

Speaker 1 And aside, okay?

Speaker 1 So sometimes Tommy and I were sitting in the stands for that. We didn't want to hear any commentary of anybody else.
And of course, you're signing into this, and that's fine. It's a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 the halftime shows what they became for me as I got a little older. This is true confession here now on pardon my take.

Speaker 1 So you wait for the second song, whoever it is.

Speaker 1 You got the bathroom to yourself.

Speaker 1 I'm Chris Berman, and I'm in the bathroom by myself. I actually could get a hot dog.

Speaker 1 I put on like a ball cap. It can't be him.
I'm not wearing that. It can't be him.
It's not him. Why would he be? He's missing the half-black.

Speaker 1 You got to wait to the second, because the first song, it takes a while to set the stage up. Everyone who's been in the bathroom comes running out.

Speaker 1 Sometimes a little sloppy, you know, when the lights go down. But the second song, very important.
I'm out of here. Yeah.
Okay, so that's an inside story. Now,

Speaker 1 the one that it's funny, Tommy and I talk about this

Speaker 1 because we had a different vantage point.

Speaker 1 We go back a long way with this.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we would be at the game, but never, primetime wasn't on the field in the late 80s, 90s, like the Washington, the Denver story we talked about.

Speaker 1 We had to go either back downtown to where we were all week or some other site. And we would always leave at halftime.

Speaker 1 And now here's the 90s. It was the Dallas Buffalo in the Rose Bowl.
Ended up being a blowout.

Speaker 1 Remember for Leon Lett, but I mean, you know, it was actually a very close game of two minutes ago. I think it was 14 to 10.

Speaker 1 And Dallas scored twice. I think the Bills turned it over.
It was like 28 to 1. So at the two-minute warning, we go down the portal so we can be in the car

Speaker 1 at halftime. And we had one of those primitive TVs back then, but you kind of got it, right? In the car TV in 1992.
You know, it was a Philco, you know, or whatever. And

Speaker 1 Michael Jackson was halftime.

Speaker 1 And we're seeing him be Michael Jackson, right?

Speaker 1 And then we get to our site in the third quarter. I said, Tom,

Speaker 1 we left. It was a football game because we had a different vantage point than anybody else, different experience.

Speaker 1 We left. It was 14 to 10.
We heard the crowd twice.

Speaker 1 In retrospect, Dallas scored two touchdowns. We got in the car.
We saw Michael Jackson, I think, on the same field where we were watching football, and now they're playing football again.

Speaker 1 This must be not right. Yeah, so that's a different answer than you expected.

Speaker 5 No, I appreciate that because you don't think about that. It's the biggest sporting event of the year, right? And then halfway through, it's like, oh, here's Maroon 5 for 15 minutes.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then, boom, we're going to kick off. Weird.

Speaker 1 I liked it when the stones did it. I mean, more my guy.
I understand. I mean, you got to appeal to everybody.

Speaker 1 And I'm not knocking any of the show, but when the stones did it or Springstam, it's like, ooh, this is pretty good. Yeah, Prince.
Yeah, it was

Speaker 1 purple rain in the rain. That was big.
Yeah, no, no. And I always respected Prince.
I wouldn't huge on him. Yeah, I loved him for that.
I was young enough, I didn't have to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there we go. There we go.

Speaker 1 That's about when it turned.

Speaker 1 When the drive started going left.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was right around the Prince. That's a good question.
Halftime show. Halftime.
Yeah, but key bathroom stop. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So what...

Speaker 1 What's your favorite player to have watched play football? We talked about Tom Brady. Doesn't have to be Joe Monte.
Doesn't have to be a quarterback.

Speaker 1 The one guy that you just will always think, like, man, that was fun to watch him play.

Speaker 1 While I've been on TV, I'll give you two answers. Okay, Joe Namos, not obviously, my hero, Joe Namos, because I watched him play at Shea Stadium 70 times.
Okay. Whatever the number is.
Yeah. 60.

Speaker 1 You know, if he played 70 games at Shea, you know, he had injury years.

Speaker 1 I was at 63 of them with my dad and my brother, starting at nine years old. And then the Super Bowl year, I was eighth grade.
And then we went at the Super Bowl. We were at the championship game.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, I actually learned football by sitting in the upper deck for $8 a game, you know, like lower upper deck seats, box seats, the AFL, because they threw.

Speaker 1 And I didn't know that I was really watching film. Not that I'm so smart, but

Speaker 1 there's John Hadle, there's La Monica, Dawson threw it enough.

Speaker 1 It was a throwing league as opposed to running in the 60s.

Speaker 1 So Namath is my hero

Speaker 1 and the AFL is our, you know, it was so 60s. It was so rebels, you know, with a cause.
And

Speaker 1 we liked all the AFL teams, even though the Jets had the big robbery with Oakland when push came to shove. They're in our league.
Right. Hence, somewhat Buffalo with me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They were the champs of my league when I was a little kid and I remember them. Hence, always like the Chargers.
Wow, they're in my league. Yeah.
You know, my league. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Always like the Chiefs, My league. Yeah.
You know, so that's that.

Speaker 1 Professionally, and I actually said it both times as MC at Canton when I don't speak much, nor should I. I give my own minute and a half, and then here's the tape and all, and then etc.

Speaker 1 I did it for both of these players because I wasn't lying because I haven't said it about any other one.

Speaker 1 Brett Farf. Okay.

Speaker 1 You always knew

Speaker 1 you had a highlight from him, even if he was down 17. There weren't a lot of him then.
I don't mean like Brett played with Johnny Onitis, but

Speaker 1 Brett Favre, and he was like a little boy still playing a man's game.

Speaker 1 And then defensively,

Speaker 1 Junior Sayo. Oh, good answer.
Because

Speaker 1 there would be a play that

Speaker 1 I would have to say, make sure, well, it didn't affect the game. No, no, but he went from that sideline to that sideline to make a tackle and force a punt.
Well, they didn't score on that.

Speaker 1 I don't care.

Speaker 1 Put it in. And Favre,

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, he was the little girl with the curl. And I lived that with him a little bit.
I'm very close with Mike Holmgren and kind of watched that go from...

Speaker 1 Three out of every five passes, Mike would hide his eyes to two out of every five, to one out of every five.

Speaker 1 Four out of five, I'm pretty confident he's going to complete this.

Speaker 1 The lowlights were highlights

Speaker 5 sometimes, too. The lowlights were some of the best plays for Brett Favre.
For Brett? Yeah, he'd throw some of the most spectacular interceptions I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 Kudos to him.

Speaker 1 To that point, we might have said it last time, but, you know, what you said 10 minutes ago, nobody remembers anyway.

Speaker 1 The best answer in an interview I ever got on, you know, I get many.

Speaker 1 When I thought Brett was finishing up, it was 07 with the Packers. He gave me a long interview before their game with the Giants.
Who knew that they were going to go to the Jets and then Minnesota?

Speaker 1 And by the way, they

Speaker 1 almost beat the Vikings and he almost played in,

Speaker 1 you know, almost played in the almost

Speaker 1 Saints, yeah. Almost played in the Bounty Geek game, yeah.
Yeah, well, and look at the tape sometime after that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just look at it. They were going low a lot.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do I know? Whatever. And aside.

Speaker 1 So we went, I went to all of at the time he was ahead of so many categories like Tom is now, right?

Speaker 1 And I went to like five or six of his,

Speaker 1 yeah, you played 300 straight games or whatever it was in 07. What does that mean to you? Beautiful answer.
You've thrown

Speaker 1 the most yards.

Speaker 1 What does that mean to you? And I went to about three or four of them, all with straight face, beautiful answer.

Speaker 1 And I said, Brett, you also have thrown by far the most interceptions of anybody in football. What does that mean to you? And he laughed like a kid.
He went, he didn't know it was coming.

Speaker 1 He went, well,

Speaker 1 it means I was trying.

Speaker 1 Best answer I ever got. Yeah.
Like, unrehearsed. I set him up.
Oh, you won the Morgan. You won the day.
You had five MVP,

Speaker 1 whatever the numbers were. Most interceptions.
I was trying. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's some. You're right.
They were highlighted.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and there are some interceptions that are, you know, you don't want to have an interception, but you also don't want to have a quarterback that doesn't want to take a risk.

Speaker 1 So sometimes you see an interception, you're like, look, he's trying to make a play. It didn't happen this time, but he's trying to make a play.
He will make a play later on. He was fun.

Speaker 1 And Junior, those would be the two. I mean, offense and defense.
I mean, we're leaving out a ton, but

Speaker 1 those are the only two at Canton that I and Junior was gone by then

Speaker 1 that I said, even in my little bit of words, that in my career, professional career, the most fun that I ever had was watching their games.

Speaker 1 Now, the other thing you told us right before we started, we missed out on a shout-out because Brock Purdy got hurt.

Speaker 1 So you told us you were going to say you were going to give us the, were you going to give us the

Speaker 1 Brock and Roll All Night, or were you going to give us,

Speaker 1 or was it going to be Rock Out with Your Brock Out? No, no, it was the one. Oh, it wasn't going to be that one.
Brock and Roll All Night and Purdy every day. I went, that's genius.

Speaker 1 I'm ready to give it to the pardon my take, boys.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I couldn't do, I was going to, on regular TV, not even the S PM Plus. This is real cable TV.
This was, you know, monumental viewers, right?

Speaker 1 And that primetime, I think, ran three times like the old days. Yeah.
So at midnight on the West Coast, it ran again. No, it was, I even had it written down on my notes, like, don't forget it.

Speaker 1 And then.

Speaker 1 Sorry. So we did do, we did do something for you, though, when Josh Johnson came in.
We did our fastest two minutes, and we did 14 consecutive from for Josh Johnson.

Speaker 1 I haven't heard that one, yeah, just listing all the games, all the teams you played.

Speaker 1 Teams from the Jets, from oh, you did there was uh, what was it, the Sacramento Fleet, Sacramento Wildcats, yeah, whatever that could be from the US, we just went all the way down. That's genius.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 that's that's

Speaker 1 that that's funny.

Speaker 1 I, you know, you have a lot of mixings.

Speaker 1 I did a couple of times do mixions, the one way back, you know, which I am the president. Richard Milhouse Mixon.

Speaker 1 You had a game at Washington and you work presidential names into everything. Yeah, brilliant.
Zachary Taylor?

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, Zachary Taylor Highland.

Speaker 1 I mean, you got presidents in Washington.

Speaker 1 Oh, the Mixon one that I

Speaker 1 Mason Mixon line. Yeah, Mason Mixon.
Which, of course, he plays for Cincinnati close to the Mason-Mixon line.

Speaker 1 It wasn't like playing for Minnesota. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know? So,

Speaker 1 look, I know it's a tip of the cap, but you're going, you're picking up big yaks yards after catch with a lot of them. I commend you for it.

Speaker 5 Hopefully Purdy's got a long career. Hopefully he can work them in next year.
That would be, it would be an honor.

Speaker 5 It really does make our year if you were to do something like that.

Speaker 5 And we need some advice, honestly, because we do it as a tip of the cap. We sometimes do the Raiders, you know, the real low.

Speaker 1 Why not?

Speaker 5 I'm having trouble right now because we've tried it over the course of the season.

Speaker 5 And every time I do it, or when Big Cat does it, immediately after we're done, we have to turn our head and just cough for like 30 seconds.

Speaker 5 How do you get a real guttural Raider sound?

Speaker 1 You can't go all the way down. Somehow it's got to stop here when you're there, but

Speaker 1 you're up here with it.

Speaker 1 Because that's your...

Speaker 1 Hold on. Where's my.
Yeah. Where's my

Speaker 1 coke or my chloroseptic spray?

Speaker 5 I get, I do the neck.

Speaker 1 I go,

Speaker 5 and I got to stop that.

Speaker 1 You got to somehow bring it up before you start. So

Speaker 1 it's only coming from here. Try to

Speaker 1 make it sound good. Can you give us the full one? Huh? Can you give us a full of the Raiders? Well, the full, yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's like, I mean,

Speaker 1 and you can go louder. I mean, it's just, and that's an old Al Davis.
Yeah. Because you went.

Speaker 1 It'll work on it. Oh, no, yes.

Speaker 1 They're not in the Super Bowl. You don't have to do it.
We got some time.

Speaker 1 I do want to say I think our whoops have gotten a lot better.

Speaker 1 And you're certainly using them. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You go to Costco and get the full whoop bargain. Sometimes you get a little whoop-heavy.
Yeah, that's true. So what? That's a fact.

Speaker 1 You know what? I get with the young ones.

Speaker 1 That's what I get stopped for the most now. Can you say it? Summers the rate.
Can you say whoop?

Speaker 1 Do you know what's

Speaker 1 your whoops are good? Yeah. Do do you know what's great too? I'll see a play and I'll just think of the whoop.
Patrick Mahomes fumble in the AFC Championship game. Immediately thought of you.

Speaker 1 All slippery. Wait, it slipped.

Speaker 1 It had to be a leap. Yes.
Or a turn. Yes.

Speaker 1 I mean, but it came, as we said, with Barry Sanders. Yeah.
That was

Speaker 1 courtesy of the three Stooges. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Of Curly.

Speaker 1 But I swear I see it. It's the Three Stooges.
This is how much you live in our brains, and I see that fumble. And I'm not like, what a fumble.
I'm like, oh,

Speaker 1 that's a schwam whoop right there. I'm worried about you.

Speaker 1 You guys have been on too long. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm worried about you. No, look,

Speaker 1 the sound effects, they're not for everybody. And, you know, a couple of guys you go on with.
I mean, they don't, you know, relax. It's just for fun, right? And I mean, you guys relax.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean. But it's.

Speaker 1 Not that this is exactly right, but I tell our folks cutting highlights, and I didn't know this when I started TV in my 20s.

Speaker 1 when words and pictures match up

Speaker 1 one plus one equals three

Speaker 1 when words and pictures don't match up either your narration or you wouldn't normally try a sound effect on whoop when a guy's just running the ball you wouldn't but

Speaker 1 one plus one equals one yeah but you know what it is you just said something there and i think that this is probably why we're drawn to you and and a lot of our success football and sports are supposed to be fun.

Speaker 1 And you've always had fun. And that is something that translates to the people because I think there are a lot of people now who talk about sports and they don't make it as fun.

Speaker 1 It's a lot more serious. And there's, I've always, we've always had the mantra with our show is like, life's hard enough.

Speaker 1 Sports are supposed to be the thing that you watch for fun and that you, you know, like, you know, we'll make fun of people's teams. We'll make fun of our teams.

Speaker 1 But like at the end of the day, what is it? It's not, it's not hard life. It's not, you know, we're not talking about serious topics.
We're talking about sports. It's fun.
Correct.

Speaker 1 And that's what people listen. And now,

Speaker 1 you guys have great wit. I'm not saying people, not everybody on has great wit.
They do in different ways. Bob Lee and I are two different animals.
Bob Lee is a great professional.

Speaker 1 I look up to him in a lot of ways. I don't know that he looks up to me in a lot of ways, but we're great colours of him, right? So,

Speaker 1 but he's him. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't get what you just said.
It's just for him now to be gregarious would not be him. And now you're acting a little bit.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying he would or did.

Speaker 1 I'm that way. You guys are that way.
I mean, you have

Speaker 1 more boisterous than here, but I mean, but the combination is we're just having fun. And if we're busting,

Speaker 1 it really isn't mean-spirited. Busting on somebody's team.
Yeah, they stunk today. They did.
Right. I mean, usually.
You know, sometimes people go a little more. It shouldn't be personal.
Right.

Speaker 1 And the athletes are also

Speaker 1 people, you know, and so

Speaker 1 I don't mean to make this analogy, but

Speaker 1 so the Bills, which is an unbelievable season packed with everything,

Speaker 1 and this sounds like an excuse for why they lost to the Bengals. The Bengals are better from play one to play 100, okay? So

Speaker 1 let's start with that, in that game.

Speaker 1 I wondered,

Speaker 1 and I said it, and I'm close with them, but they're human beings.

Speaker 1 DeMar Hamlin, with that being the game they played against the Bengals, like the first week there was an exhale. Like, he's even in the building.

Speaker 1 He, we think, is going to be really okay, even if it takes a year.

Speaker 1 Well, you had that for three weeks, maybe not sleeping at night, worrying about him. Yeah.
You had two six feet snowfalls where you're going to Detroit now.

Speaker 1 You guys didn't have power last night with your wife and and your your three and your one-year-old uh you you did by the time you left but you're leaving them alone and you're going to play football in detroit which you're going to go to canada well they cleared the airport for them but but and then you're going to come back and you're

Speaker 1 you know there was the shooting in the in the in the supermarket in the black neighborhood in the summer

Speaker 1 they're not they're not the only franchise that but this was a lot yeah there's a lot of people i wondered yeah

Speaker 1 how much gas did they use up to get to this point is that the reason they lost to the Bengals? The Bengals were better.

Speaker 1 But they're human beings. So to make, but what were they? They didn't care.
They acted like they did.

Speaker 1 It's a slow leak of the tire. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They weren't running on the rims, but they were closer to it. I don't.
I diverge there, but I brought it up to date here to say, what were they doing?

Speaker 1 Remembering that people are humans. Yeah,

Speaker 1 the people you're watching on Sunday, they're human beings. They got stuff going on in their life.
It's absolutely a great point.

Speaker 1 There was a moment where I was like, hey, maybe we get the Schwann this year.

Speaker 5 Maybe we get the Bills Niners.

Speaker 1 It's going to happen eventually. Well, I found the football.
How many years in a row, by the way?

Speaker 1 Did you predict that? Well, seven in a row, one of the two of them made it. Yeah, and you predicted it.
Like 10 or 11 or 12.

Speaker 1 Because it was like, I had to take August off. I don't need to do any homework.
I know who I'm picking. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Even if I'm wrong, I don't care.

Speaker 1 They've carried me this far. From 88 to 94, one of the two of them

Speaker 1 made it. Bills, Niners.

Speaker 1 The Niners made it three times. They won all three.
The Bills made it four times. They lost all four.
But I was 50% for seven years. Nobody you know is 50%.
Yep, and I didn't change a thing.

Speaker 1 That's a fact. So

Speaker 1 they send us, I think they still do,

Speaker 1 the footballs. on Championship Sunday of the four possible combinations, like a model, you know, Super Bowl, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 And in 92,

Speaker 1 I kept the ball even though uh the niners uh

Speaker 1 did they got beat alvin harper in dallas that's that was the play in the championship game the bomb from aikman to harper that started them on their mini dynasty there three out of four

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 i found it

Speaker 1 maybe that was why they lost to the bengals forget everything else uh i found it i said i think i know where this is so it was the 92 ball buffalo versus san francisco in super bowl whatever that was, Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 That one, okay?

Speaker 1 It didn't happen. But I saved that one.
I didn't save seven of them, but I saved that one. That's great.
And I was ready to bring it on set, just like I was ready to go brock and roll all night.

Speaker 1 And alas,

Speaker 1 alas, it'll wait another year.

Speaker 5 What are the chances that we get a Bills Super Bowl here in this window? It feels like

Speaker 5 it feels like the Josh Allen window, which could, who knows? What was his contract for? He's got another like five years on it, something around there.

Speaker 5 What are the chances you think we're going to get an actual Buffalo Bills Super Bowl championship in that time period?

Speaker 1 I think they'll be in one, at least one, because he's really good, and he was hurt. I mean,

Speaker 1 he, Burrow, and obviously Mahomes at the top, like, they're the best three, and they're all, by the way, they're all they all win divisions, so they're all going to play each other in the regular season, and they're going to play each other like Manning and Brady did every year, right?

Speaker 1 Like, they're winning their division nine times out of ten. So

Speaker 1 that's

Speaker 1 they don't have to go through. I don't want to say the NFC is easier.
That sounds like we're knocking Hurts and the Eagles and what they've done, which is the best record in football, right?

Speaker 1 So we're tied.

Speaker 1 They'll get in one.

Speaker 1 This,

Speaker 1 God, they started. Remember, they blasted the Rams.
Oh, yeah. Nobody goes on the road when they're unveiling the banner and beats the hell out of it.
Nobody does that.

Speaker 1 I remember that game so well, too, the week one game, the opening of the NFL season, because we had Julian Edelman, who's our friend of ours, watching the game with us. I love him.

Speaker 1 And he said, he's like, it's just so easy for Josh right now. He's like, he's just, it's too easy for him.

Speaker 1 And you could feel it. Like, everything was just easy.
Like, everything, he looked comfortable in the pocket. And yeah, he got that elbow injury against the Jets.

Speaker 1 And it felt like they were, I still wonder, it's crazy to say, but if DeMar Hamlin doesn't happen and they play the Bengals and the Bengals beat them, is that a wake-up call that they needed maybe to

Speaker 1 because it did feel like towards the end they were kind of

Speaker 1 they were winning games, but it didn't look exactly like it looked at the beginning of the season. Yeah, they beat the Chiefs

Speaker 1 in October. Right.
So that, yeah, I'm very confident that they'll that Coach McDermott, Brandon Bean is sharper than hell. The GM

Speaker 1 it's a franchise. This fan base speaks for itself.
So in other words,

Speaker 1 they're just adored. I mean, they're, other than Green Bay, it's the smallest, as you know, it's the smallest city, right? So it's different.
It's, it's, yeah.

Speaker 1 Cincinnati is a small lure as well. I like that two of the smallest cities bonded for the wrong reason, you know, over the Hamlin injury.
But it was not that New York wouldn't. I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 No, but it's different. It's different.
It's just the smaller.

Speaker 1 Somebody wrote on their sign right at the Bengal game praying for number three Hamlin. He's a Bengal fan.
Yeah. Who had a magic marker in his or her pocket.
So the answer is they'll get in one, but

Speaker 1 Mahomes and the Chiefs and Andy Reid aren't going anywhere. And Burrow and

Speaker 1 Zachary Taylor,

Speaker 1 they're not going anywhere either. And

Speaker 1 what does Sean Payton and Russell? They're in the same division with Herbert. They're all in the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Trevor Lawrence, and yeah, there's a lot. The AFC is.
They're going to be in one.

Speaker 5 You said next year. I don't know if this was subconscious, subliminal.
You said Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid aren't going anywhere. I know you've got to be close with Coach Reed.

Speaker 5 I'm sure that you guys are thick as thieves. Probably going to be rooting for him in the Super Bowl, I would imagine.
You think Andy's going to stick around for another five, six years?

Speaker 1 Well, I do know that he loves coaching and doing what he's doing. Like the setup.
Sometimes even the smartest, and I would include Bill Parcels in that. I would include, you know, they all want to be

Speaker 1 the coach, GM. I'm going back a little way to answer your question.
In Philly, he was that some, you know, you always have a cap guy.

Speaker 1 I mean, you can't do math all day long when you're trying to devise a play, right?

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 he even realized, as Parcells quietly, probably grudgingly realized, and I say that with love and respect for Bill,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 Balachek's a little different story,

Speaker 1 but just you can't, Mike Holmgren wanted to do it. You can't do it all, right? When he went to Seattle, he did the grand poobah, I called him, you know, his friend, right?

Speaker 1 But even he probably at the end realized, you know, if I had a really good GM, who I'm this.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the situation of Kansas City behind the scenes. Brett Veitch, who was on his staff, not so much as a coach, but as an assistant and like quality control, et cetera.
He's great at that.

Speaker 1 They're simpatical, and the ownership is great, and the fan base is great.

Speaker 1 And now we get to the quarterback.

Speaker 1 So if I,

Speaker 1 if I'm a coach and I still love it, even though I'm 60, 61, whatever Andy is,

Speaker 1 I still love coaching, which obviously Coach Belichick does too. He loves coaching.
He loves turning on the film on a Tuesday and looking at the other team before I have to even address my play.

Speaker 1 Like, what do they do?

Speaker 1 And they still love that. And you have Patrick Mahomes?

Speaker 1 What's the rush? Yeah. Unless there's something we don't know that's going on.
You don't feel

Speaker 1 you're fighting, which he's not.

Speaker 1 Every now and then coaches have to get out because,

Speaker 1 I mean, Terry Francona goes through stuff. He still manages.
He loves it.

Speaker 1 I have Patrick Mahomes, and I have the situation set up here.

Speaker 1 And so I would think.

Speaker 1 I would be to put a number on it.

Speaker 1 Will Mahomes play more than five more years? Yes. I mean, let's hope so.
He doesn't get hurt for it. Because we like football.
You don't have to root for the Chiefs. You like football.

Speaker 1 You want to see him play football, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd be surprised if he, he's not driven by, ooh.

Speaker 1 You know, if he wins this game, I could be wrong, don't quote me. And then

Speaker 1 I think the next win next year, he would tie Tom Landry for four.

Speaker 1 He's not driven by that.

Speaker 1 He's not,

Speaker 1 it's not, ooh, I got to get to. He's not driven by that.

Speaker 1 270 wins, I think, is Landry's number. And they gave Andy 268.
I could be wrong, but he's in the

Speaker 1 you know, there's up there. There's Don Shula, there's Bill Belichick, there's George Hallis, and there's Tom Landry, and Andy is five.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 if he still loves what he does, and I know he does, and I have him, and I have this set up, where am I going? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 You ever go out for a steak dinner with Coach Reid?

Speaker 1 We've eaten

Speaker 1 A little bit of steak steak. We've eaten.

Speaker 5 We heard a rumor that he eats three steaks at a time sometimes.

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't know about any more. I mean, maybe

Speaker 1 I don't think that's true.

Speaker 5 It might be a one-sided steak.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe just as a dare. I haven't heard that.
We haven't talked about it, and I haven't seen it, so I'm not going to say it wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 5 I mean, he's slimmed down quite a bit. You can tell he's shed some of the pounds.
He still

Speaker 5 wears the big jacket, so sometimes you don't realize it. He's lost some weight, but I feel like I think we heard that maybe it's at the Combine at, was it Prime State?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's at the steakhouse.

Speaker 1 The steakhouse in Indy? Yeah, yeah. That's a famous one.
That could be. I've never been at that.

Speaker 5 It's just like a cheat day once a year.

Speaker 1 A side steak. You know what? Once a year, it's February.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do I know that he's done it?

Speaker 1 I don't think so, but could he do it in the day? I'm sure he could.

Speaker 5 Is there a coach over the years that you've become closest with that you've become. Well, he would be it.
Andy's your closest guy?

Speaker 1 I mean, and

Speaker 1 I don't mean to,

Speaker 1 but that would be him. I mean, I'm very close with quite a few others.
It's kind of all, not all. There's a couple of trees that if you chase my football family history.

Speaker 1 So this is the Bill Walsh tree and the Niners tree. You don't think so.

Speaker 1 So here's Bill Walsh, who I learned, not that he sat me down in his office an hour at a time. Let me not misrepresent that, Chris.
So here's how we run the West Coast offense.

Speaker 1 Like, I didn't get that audience, okay? Nor should I have. But I lived it, the Niners, and I got it.
And it was new. And football kind of changed then a little.

Speaker 1 Mike Holmgren was the direct descendant, if you will. There were others and many.
The coaches were

Speaker 1 that's the direct son of Bill Walsh, kind of sort of.

Speaker 1 And then, of course, he had Brett Farvin, that offense of the 80s or early 80s, which was already different in the late 80s when Montana was a better player, and the Niners had Roger Craig, and they had Jerry Rice.

Speaker 1 And I mean, they didn't have that in 81.

Speaker 1 Mike Holmbren was the descendant, as I see it, in boomer-esque history.

Speaker 1 And Andy Reid is the descendant of Mike Holmgren, even though Holmbren was still coaching Seattle when Andy was coaching Philadelphia. That's the direct.
Andy coached under Mike,

Speaker 1 as did a lot of really successful coaches under Mike. And now look at the successful coaches under Andy,

Speaker 1 John Harbaugh and I are very friendly. Well, he was on Andy's staff.
So I got to meet him through the years.

Speaker 1 Coach Belichick and I are obviously very friendly.

Speaker 1 Not just to throw names. And there's, and of course, Marv Levy, and I, I mean, you know, from, but that, but that's that tree.
Okay, we could talk about others, but to me.

Speaker 1 Oh, we were on the West Coast offense. There's 10 coaches that say it.

Speaker 1 It's more like the,

Speaker 1 it's West Coast offense. It's some, it's not really it.
And, oh, we're running that. And the West Coast offense, properly run, growing through the years, is still really effective.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I have ultimate respect for the way all these guys thought, big picture and little picture. Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Andy Reed.

Speaker 1 And so the fact that I've grown close with his family and

Speaker 1 he with me and

Speaker 1 didn't get to meet him as an assistant thinking, thinking, oh, here's a guy that's going to coach for 25 years and I Tom Landry.

Speaker 1 No, he was the quarterback coach.

Speaker 1 I went into the quarterback room. He was the quarterback coach.
And every Thursday they had Brett Favre like Cajun beans and this. And I thought, want to come in, Chris? Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 Little God. You know, talk about guttural with the Raiders.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll come in.

Speaker 1 The Mariuchi was in there. I mean, so

Speaker 1 that's my derivative. So it really goes back farther than than anybody knows, even though I didn't know him well when he was an assistant, but I knew Mike's staff well enough.
Yeah. And

Speaker 1 that would be the closest. That's great.
So

Speaker 1 it's just interesting that the more life,

Speaker 1 you know, the longer we live,

Speaker 1 we go full circle. Yeah.
So he's coaching against the Eagles.

Speaker 1 By the way, he drafted three of these players that are still playing. Yeah.
Kelsey, Jason Kelsey,

Speaker 1 Cox, and Graham.

Speaker 1 They're still playing. He hadn't been been coached in 2012.

Speaker 1 Howie Roseman was the GM.

Speaker 1 The same owner, obviously. I mean, it's interesting how,

Speaker 1 but he won't see the Eagles as, oh, my God, this is without them, I wouldn't be here.

Speaker 1 He already knows that. You don't have to play them to know that.

Speaker 1 He already knows how good they are. But it's just interesting how it, and two Kelseys

Speaker 1 and two, heaven forbid, African-American quarterbacks, which I didn't even think of it. We put up the graphic at the end of the show.
These are the youngest two

Speaker 1 by 15 days younger than Marino in Montana. When you add up the years and the days, like, all right, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 And then, oh, by the way, they're, I didn't even think of that, which I think is going to make me a better creator.

Speaker 5 I mean, it's important to a lot of people, and a lot of like African Americans watching, obviously, they probably, they will notice it because, of course.

Speaker 5 But to us, it's, you know, it's something that I think it's a good good thing that it doesn't stand out to us anymore yeah right very that's what i meant by it that didn't make me any different than you guys but it

Speaker 1 i didn't

Speaker 1 late in the early 80s i interviewed early in my career doug tampa being in the the norris division which

Speaker 1 Tampa didn't, you know, geographically with Minnesota, Chicago, you know, Detroit and Green Bay and Tampa.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 Vince Evans, the quarterback in the Bears, and Doug, Doug Williams, the coach in the Bucs, I interviewed both of them in 82 after the game. Didn't make me any different, but

Speaker 1 I did that interview 40 years ago. And that was after the game, so they weren't sitting together.
It wasn't any big, but it was.

Speaker 1 You guys are playing against each other twice a year the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 Both black quarterbacks, African-American quarterbacks. And

Speaker 1 so I don't, that's 40 years ago.

Speaker 1 The fact that it finally happened in the Super Bowl isn't,

Speaker 1 I guess it, I mean, it's a milestone. Yeah.
It's a good milestone. It's a great milestone.
Yeah. Right.
So we don't think,

Speaker 1 think like that. Yeah.
They're both really good. Yeah.
Very good. How about that? Very good.
Very, very good. One and two.
By the way, have you seen the size of Jalen Hurts' thighs? Oh, I didn't.

Speaker 1 I saw him walking in. He showed me

Speaker 1 walking in. I thought it was

Speaker 1 A.J. Dillon.
Yeah. He's insane.
We should say

Speaker 5 you should watch this on the YouTube because if you're listening to it, Boomer kind of trailed off there. He said he's talking about his thighs.
Thighs. He said, Jalen hurts his thighs.

Speaker 5 I just want to make that clear in case the audio was a little bit murky on that one. But he squats, what, 600 pounds?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that, yes.

Speaker 1 He's a monster. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 It's 600 pounds. I mean, that's more than three stakes.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. All right.
So let's do this because this has been fantastic. Last question.
Hopefully we do this again next year.

Speaker 1 I'd love for this

Speaker 1 tradition.

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Speaker 1 Super Bowl week. We need your prediction.

Speaker 1 I want a Schwami score too. I want the weird scores.

Speaker 1 I remember as a kid when I saw the arrow with the team that didn't score more, I was like, what's that? And then I realized, oh, it's point spread.

Speaker 1 I want the Schwami score. Well, I'm not going to pick three to two, which I have done as a Swami.
And I remember greater show on turf against Brett Favre of one year. I think I had 78-75.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You mean that's an over? No, I'm just picking. Just relax, you know.
I guess it's an over. I don't even look at that anyway.

Speaker 1 I never picked the scores with regard to that, except, so I won't pick 3-2, and I won't pick 78-75.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 as much as Jalen Hurts has gone this.

Speaker 1 From that playoff game against Tampa and the whole Eagles team, they were dreadful to this

Speaker 1 and have won two games. Say what you want, but the history will say 38-7, 31-7.

Speaker 1 Okay. I understand the 49ers are running a single wing.
I get it. Not their fault.
Single wing is not going to work in 2022.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 and given that pass rush of the Eagles, will that be better than Chris Jones and Frank Clark?

Speaker 1 Well, it might be because they're seven strong.

Speaker 1 They play

Speaker 1 Nantama Kinsu comes in for 18 plays. Yeah, Linvald Joseph.
Well, yeah, well, nine of them, they're going to be a real factor, right?

Speaker 1 Even though they're not, I mean, Reddick is Reddick, and then,

Speaker 1 oh, I'm forgetting,

Speaker 1 97. You know, they're loaded there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yet both teams,

Speaker 1 I'm not, I'll give you a prediction. Both teams sent three of their offensive linemen to the Pro Bowl or flag football or whatever it is.
But they're not going,

Speaker 1 whatever it is.

Speaker 1 So do I think that's going to be relevant since all the bigs are good, will that be a neither advantage either way? Maybe so. Mahomes won't be better than 80%.

Speaker 1 Who knows what he'll be? We're taping this on, you know, on the 1st of February, and we don't think anything will happen to him, but he's not. They ran most

Speaker 1 of,

Speaker 1 most,

Speaker 1 most of probably what they could do. I don't think certain moves in this, nor will that change in two weeks, is Hurts hurt

Speaker 1 a little. He says so.

Speaker 1 He had that one series where he ran the ball, which I think was a signal to whoever they were going to play next. Yes.

Speaker 1 We're okay here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe it wasn't. Yeah.
Maybe they wanted to just put it away and make it 28-7, and we're done.

Speaker 1 Mahomes is,

Speaker 1 you know, Chiefs' receivers. God, they ended up with with nobody.

Speaker 1 But I'm going to pick the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Score.

Speaker 1 27-24 sounds boring. That's not a Swami.
Yeah. No, but I'm not going to do that because it's a Super Bowl.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I don't think this is the 78 of the Steelers against the Purple People Eagles, which, by the way, the score of that game at halftime was 2-0.

Speaker 1 Love it. Look it up.
Love it. 2-0.

Speaker 1 do they get to the 30s because i haven't gone there yet you know we're early we're not even out there

Speaker 1 could it be 31

Speaker 1 27

Speaker 1 i think it could yes it could what about 29 26 every nice schwam yeah that's a schwam like when you get how do you get nine and six on your super bowl board you're really annoyed right like my hundred bucks just went down the drain yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 I always used to remember the swamp.

Speaker 1 Swamp two. Yeah.
That's right.

Speaker 5 About

Speaker 5 the arrow. That was, I think a lot of people got woken up to gambling because that arrow got too odd for

Speaker 5 his eyes open.

Speaker 5 There's always one even number and one odd number in Swamp's score.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well,

Speaker 1 has there been? I mean, I don't know if there always was. Did I do it on purpose?

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 The only thing I did with the score all those years was make it at least three points different from whatever the number was when I taped it on Friday. So there was no mistake, unless

Speaker 1 Brett Farve, you know, unless Patrick Mahomes isn't playing and Henny's playing, and we don't know that to Sunday morning. Well, then the line would move.
It was always

Speaker 1 at least three

Speaker 1 different. And then I put that arrow and use words like closer than expected or they may win more handily than you think, you know, like that.
So I didn't know about even odd.

Speaker 1 I didn't do that knowingly if I did.

Speaker 5 So what's the official prediction? I'm going to sprinkle a little bit on the exact score. So what did you say, Big Cat? Did you say

Speaker 1 26? Sounds like Swami, yeah.

Speaker 5 Do we want to stick with that or is there...

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 much more interesting.

Speaker 1 If I get it, I'm thinking of the bizarre numbers when you like a two, although 32 is not that 22 is a bizarre number. Yeah, that's a bizarre one.
And I think we're a little over. We could pick 25, 22.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's a bizarre one.
But I don't think the game's going to be that bizarre. Okay.
I don't think it's, it's, we're not going to see the single wing or the wishbone. You know, let's hope not.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 I announced the game once in college where the Holy Cross ran a wishbone against Brown. And I had to learn.
I went to our coach. I'm like,

Speaker 1 just give me 10 minutes of something so I know what the hell I'm doing in 1975. You know, they're running a wishbone.
You know, like,

Speaker 1 I know what it is,

Speaker 1 but I, you know, whatever. whatever, that's an aside.
Um,

Speaker 1 so we want to move that to

Speaker 1 25, 22. I like 29, 26.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 I don't even know what the early over-under is, by the way. I think it's like right around 48, somewhere, 49.
See, so, but I never picked them worried about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My score was

Speaker 1 never trying to think through everything.

Speaker 1 So, if it's

Speaker 1 29, 26, that's... That's an over.
Yeah, which I like.

Speaker 1 People want that. They do want that because you're always in it.
Yep. Yep.
Right. They want it.

Speaker 1 The under is a nervous

Speaker 1 terrible vote.

Speaker 1 But the best in the day

Speaker 1 was when you took a team regular season.

Speaker 1 Well, it would still be now because you wouldn't kick an extra point in overtime.

Speaker 1 And you're getting seven and they go to overtime. Yep.
And it's

Speaker 1 five things can happen, all of them good. Well, even ending in a tie, which, of course, the Super Bowl can.

Speaker 5 Well, now you have to kick the field goal, or you have to kick the extra point because both teams get a possession.

Speaker 1 Right, you would.

Speaker 1 So getting seven and a half. Yeah.
That is the one. Yeah, you would.
You would now.

Speaker 5 I had to remind myself of that when the playoffs started because, like you, you get to overtime, you're home free. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, nobody's going to be, that number won't be that. I mean, it'll be

Speaker 1 a field goal will make it either way.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't think, I mean, again, by the time this runs, we may have moved three times, but we're just BSing and you may not even include this a little bit, but I don't think it'll get to three.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think so either.

Speaker 1 Both defenses are pretty damn good.

Speaker 5 Three's a big number.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Chiefs play a ton of rookies in their secondary. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Eagles

Speaker 1 It could be a little lower than that. So what are we going with? 29, 26? Yeah.
Although

Speaker 1 I think we didn't get the brock and roll. I'm going to give you guys the nod with the score.
Okay, okay. The score contribution.
Yes. I love it.
How's that? Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 Remember, my favorite saying of all time, it's all in the delivery.

Speaker 1 We're all in this together alone.

Speaker 1 I love it. I love it.
Remember, that's what we're doing here. Yes.
Chris Berman, thank you so much. Hopefully a tradition every year.
We appreciate you.

Speaker 1 And thanks again for giving us an hour and a half of your time. I enjoy that.
You guys are football fans, legitimate football fans.

Speaker 1 You probably bring a lot of fans to the game that you don't know that you're bringing to the game.

Speaker 1 Like in our early years of primetime, we didn't know we were bringing some people to the game that might not have watched six hours. Yeah.
And you're doing that as well. I didn't even do the French.

Speaker 1 You know, Le Granchant et leganteur. I mean, I'd be full of fairy.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry about that. With the Olympics coming up in Paris, never too early to start working on it.
Start farming. Yeah,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 see you guys. Happy Super Mo.
I'm glad you're not driving. Yeah.
Happy Super Bowl. Happy six.

Speaker 1 Trust me. Thanks, Swam.
Thank you. Enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1 Cleaned up for right now. High protein, no fake stuff, no shortcuts.
Bison meatloaf, chicken enchiladas, turkey lasagna, the kind of meals that taste like Saturday night, even on a Tuesday.

Speaker 1 Crave New World. Find it in Kroger Isles this October.
The road trip might be over, but dinner's just getting good. Okay.
Chris Berman was awesome.

Speaker 5 I love Chris Berman.

Speaker 1 I love him so much.

Speaker 5 I love that you can hear him before you see him. When he comes around the corner and you just hear him talking, you hear some,

Speaker 5 and your ears perk up and it's like, it's on.

Speaker 1 And it's also, I hope this is just a Super Bowl tradition that we have him on to start every Super Bowl week as long as he'll come on.

Speaker 1 It's hilarious because we go up to this hotel. He rents this huge conference room in a hotel in Connecticut.
And then after we finish the interview, this happened two years in a row now.

Speaker 1 There's just like a massive spread of food that is just out there for us to have lunch. And it's like, it's very old school way.
It is.

Speaker 5 And all the Diet Cokes that you can drink

Speaker 5 just stocked with Diet Cokes. And he gave us like a some spread.

Speaker 1 I looked at the spread.

Speaker 6 I was eating and he walked up. He was walking out and he's like, how's the food? And then he caught himself.
He's like, How's the food?

Speaker 1 Some spread? Yeah.

Speaker 5 He gave us like the whole history behind the some spread.

Speaker 5 We basically, every time we sit down with Boom, at least the last two times, it goes on for like another 30-minute podcast after we're done recording. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Because he just, you wind him up and he just goes. He's the best.

Speaker 1 He's the absolute best. So thank you to Chris Berman for coming on.
Hopefully it is a tradition. We have pre-taped the lottery ball machine because we knew we would be out of the office.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So we know what happens.

Speaker 5 Congratulations Hank.

Speaker 1 Let's find out if Hank has finally won. Kicking it back to ourselves in studio.

Speaker 5 Love you guys.

Speaker 5 No, you don't get to say that.

Speaker 5 I love you guys. No, I love you guys.

Speaker 1 Not Hank. Okay.
We're back in the studio. End of Monday's show.
Yeah, he said love you guys in the last one.

Speaker 1 We're going to do the numbers. So we're actually, this is, we're taping this on February 3rd.

Speaker 1 We're going to do the numbers for the entire Super Bowl week to see if Hank can get it, which he won't, because he'll never get it. Hank, have you ever gotten it? No.
Okay.

Speaker 5 Numbers. 17.
69.

Speaker 1 18. 51.

Speaker 1 20.

Speaker 1 90. 90.
Where'd that come from, Hank? Random?

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of money in the pot right now.

Speaker 1 97. Oh, that one is really close.
Close, Hank. That's the closest you've ever been.
Boss.

Speaker 1 Third time.

Speaker 5 First time in 2023.

Speaker 1 Love you guys.

Speaker 5 Love you guys. Dragons might have been real.

Speaker 5 Definitely done that before.

Speaker 5 I don't know what's about to say I've stayed anywhere.

Speaker 1 Today's end my day to find you. Show it away.

Speaker 1 I'm coming for your love of game. Show it

Speaker 1 I'm coming for your love of game.

Speaker 1 Some needless to say,

Speaker 1 I'll say it. I'll be somewhere.

Speaker 1 Say on me.

Speaker 1 Makes a better thing, change the sorry. Say on mean

Speaker 1 to tell me

Speaker 1 Hoping that staying free to live. Display that memory away.

Speaker 1 You all think I've got to remember. Be shy away.

Speaker 1 Love you

Speaker 1 anyway. Be shy away.

Speaker 1 I'll come with you anyway.

Speaker 1 Day gun.

Speaker 1 Drink on me. Day.

Speaker 1 Drink on me.

Speaker 1 I'll give you love.

Speaker 1 all

Speaker 1 me,

Speaker 1 all

Speaker 1 this,

Speaker 1 take on me, I'll take you,

Speaker 1 take my ear,

Speaker 1 take my fear,