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We're going to start with fastest two minutes. We're then going to break down every game.
A lot of playoff implications. A lot of movers and shakers.
Big games. We got some messy spots for the last spot in the AFC and the NFC.
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Today is Monday, December 12th, week 14.

Whap! Whap!

I got my whop back.

Up in the Queen City of Buffalo, the Jets said, I want to ride my Mike White circle.

I want to ride Mike White.

And even though the quarterback took multiple violent blows to the ribs,

he said, don't stop me now.

I'm having an okay time. Having an okay time.
The game started in punt jail until Dawson Amanda Knox broke free for a touchdown to start the scoring. And the final score was close, but the Buffalo Bill Clintons jumped on Epstein's jets, securing a win in the flight log.
Hey, Tiege. No one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.
Bills 20, Jets 12. What? What? Over to Cincinnati, where Deshaun Watson was looking stiff and had the Browns play-by-play guys echoing the sentiment of many a masseuse yelling, Deshaun Watson, turnover! Trent Steve Irwin shot a bar right through the heart of the Browns defense with a flea flicker touchdown.
And after 2.5 years of bad luck, the Bengals finally get Harambe off their back with a win against their in-state rival, the Bengals 23, the Browns 10 In Detroit, where the Vikings' defense looked drunk and sloppy after the Lions forced them to take a shot of Jameson, Williams, that is, among other whiskey play calls. The Lions' offense is in Christmas spirit as Goff was singing, Shark the Herald, Angels Sing, as he and his wide receiver hooked up for a touchdown.

Jefferson was justin' with the boys, trying to keep the Vikings alive with justin' it.

But Detroit was too much as they sealed the contest after a foolish games play with Panay Jewell,

leaving Lions fans satisfied.

Lions, 34.

Vikings, 24.

The Lions?

Huh?

Huh?

Sniffin' around.

Sniffin'?

Thank you. 34 Vikings 24 The Lions? Sniffing around Sniffing? Sniffed? Down to Nashville where Trevor Lawrence Fishburne was up to his old matrix taking the red pill to raise the ultimate truth that he's a franchise quarterback Derrick Henry Lockwood couldn't get the ball right fumbling twice on Sunday Jacksonville was partying on some Evan Ingram as Chug Peterson and the boys told Tennessee, You got jagged up! Jacksonville, 36.
Titans, 22. I like when we do that together, Boom.
You just got jagged up! In the Meadowlands, the Eagles' offense went to sonic boom as Miles Tails Sanders ran all over the Giants defense, collecting coins on the way to 144 yards and a score. The Giants are still sniffing around the playoff picture as they try to jumpstart their offense with Richie James, bitch.
But it was the Eagles that were cold-blooded on Sunday. And let us be the first to welcome the Philadelphia Eagles to the 2022-2023 playoffs.
As they officially clinch. Eagles 48.
Giants 22. Whip! Whip! Some spread.
Some spread. In the Battle of Texas.
Deck it up, deck it in. Let me begin.
The Cowboys came to win, kind of, as House of Damian Pierce and the Texans had other plans. In the least erotic quarterback combo of all time, Lovie Smith switched back and forth between Davis Mills and Jeff Driscoll as the Texans kept on trying to get there to a win.
But the Cowboys were serial killers in the end as they used Dexter to make a big goal line stop and drive 98 yards for the win. The Cowboys, 27.
The Texans, 23. Is it true what they say? It's very true.
I thought so. Up to Pittsburgh in a classic AFC North battle between Kenny Pickett and Tyler Huntley.
Huh? Huh? But what's that music? I'm a Mitch. I'm a lover.
These two teams don't like each other. Kenny Pickett hurt his brain.
Here comes three picks in the rain. And on the other side, Anthony, what can Brown do for you? Not very much.
Came in for the Ravens. Late in the fourth.
Pat, can you take me, Friar? Muth had the Ravens begging him to stack. But it was Baltimore that held on in the end in the crucial division win.
Ravens 16. Steelers 14.
And Mile High, where a gay guy got his hands on Russell Wilson's ball. Broncos country lets pride.
It looked like a Chiefs rout until Jerry Judge Judy said,

Court is in session, scoring three touchdowns to bring the Broncos back.

Russell Wilson had a nano bubble up here on his forehead, forcing him from the game,

and in came Brett, the Rippin' and the Terran.

The Rippin' and the Terran.

But it was too little too late as the Broncos remain in hedonism because they fucking suck.

The Chiefs, 34.

The Broncos, 28.

We finish in the Bay Area where I regret to inform everyone it might be time to count out Touchdown Tom

as the passing of the torch occurred because the Niners went to Brock. The Niners want to Brock and Roll all night and Purdy every day.
With a total set at 37, everyone was expecting a Brock fight until Purdy showed up and showed out. And outside of Debo Samuel injury, Niners faithfuls were left singing, we built this city.
We built this city on Brock and Roll. As the Niners kill the Bucs.
35-7. Week 15.
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Tua might be hurt. That's what I'm going to go with as a member of Tuanon.
I think he started three for 17 until he threw a touchdown to Tyree Kale. Looks like a bust to me.
I'm in the Talia band, his brother. I think his brother's going to be better than him.
Don't do that. I'm just saying his brother looks good.
Tua had a chance here. He has this game on Sunday night and then a game on Saturday night against the Bills to, like Heisman vote.
Not off to a great start. Three for 17.
Four for 18 now. Not great.
Not great. It's time to ask what is to his signature win.
Does he have a Heisman moment? It's probably back against the Ravens week two. Yeah, Ravens week two.
Yeah, that was 10 years ago. Also like a Tyreek Hill signature moment.
Good point. Yeah, that is true.
Good point, Hank. Either way.
Hank said that he wasn't going to talk this entire episode to the end. He lost his voice.
Because he lost his voice. And that lasted about a minute and a half.
He threatened us. He's like, I'm not talking.
I was like, yeah, you are. It lasted seven patinos.
Yep, you got it. You got it.
It was just all we had to do was bring up Tua. to a that's it uh but yeah we'll update that when that game goes final looks like the chart the charge up 2014 as we're speaking um yeah we'll update that when we get to it so let's get into it boys week 14 some fun games some interesting playoff pictures and we will start with the game I think we all were most interested in and we had on sound.
It's Lions 34, Vikings 23, and the Detroit Lions are good. Listen, this Detroit Lions team that we saw play today, they're as good as any team in the NFC, I think.
I don't know about that. Maybe not the Eagles did.
Their biggest win of the season, the Lions' best win of the season, was their three-point loss against the Eagles week one at home. I would say actually their three-point loss against the Bills.
They've had a number of incredible three-point losses. They started November 1-6.
We had the conversation, is Dan Campbell in jeopardy of maybe losing it? Because like we've always said, Dan Campbell, a guy you'd want to play for, but guys, rah-rah guys like that, if the losing mounts up, it's hard for the message to keep going through. And the message has kept on going through to the point where they are five of the last six games they've won.
They are now sitting in, they still have work to do. They still have some things that have to break their way in front of them, but they are absolutely in the playoff picture.
They handled the Vikings today. Their offense looked awesome.
Jared Goff was awesome. Jameson Williams, nice little addition late in the season.
Great free agency pickup late in the season, as they say. His very first catch was a long touchdown catch.
And I am always convinced that if a player's first play ends up in a tremendous 50-yard bomb or something like that, that actually just means great things for their entire career. As far as I'm concerned, Jameson Williams is a home run of a draft pick just because of the way that his career started.
Yes, yes. And more than anything, the Detroit Lions, they're playing great football, and Dan Campbell is pulling all the right moves because you had two moves today that showed that Dan Campbell, like the game on the edges, the game of inches, he had the fourth and seven with 11 minutes left on his own 26 fake punt when they're up one score.
That was huge. And then, of course, to ice the game, the play where he had Panay Sewell run in motion.
He's not all pro yet, but he's definitely a pro bowler. Left tackle, run in motion, catch the ball in the flats for the first down, totally unguarded by the Vikings defense.
Panay Sewell afterwards said, quote, talking about Dan Campbell, dudes got some nuts on him, bro. Like, it's as simple as that.
Yeah, he's got big swinging swinging nuts yeah and that was it though like we've talked about like dan campbell sometimes doing the desperate things where you're like oh dude did you have to do that like you guys might have a good team he knows he has a good team they play good football their defense is not as bad as it was to start the season their offense is really really good and he's doing just the right couple things here and there to win the football Yeah, it's a very fine line between having the biggest nuts in the world and having a brain made of shit. Yeah.
And Dan Campbell is constantly tiptoeing that line. Don't get me wrong.
The fake punt, it worked. That was dumb as fuck.
It was stupid. But it worked.
They had the look. It worked.
All you got to say is they had the look. I know, and that's the look that they were looking for they were looking for that they were looking for that look and they got that look but it's also we could also say like dude you're fucking insane yeah like i think dan campbell is a adrenaline junkie i think he just like gets off on taking these unnecessary risks and they do pay off for him at times like this it ended up paying off for him big time i think he's actually just straight up addicted to faking punts yeah.
Yeah. Because it's more rare that a week will go by where Dan Campbell does not fake a punt.
Every time he runs his punt team out there, even though he's got Jack Fox, the best punter in the history of the NFL, every time he puts his punt team out on the field, he wants to fake it. He hates punting so bad.
And, yeah, it worked out this time. But you've got a lead.
You're running it from, what, your own 25-yard line with 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter? There was a very good chance that that was not going to work. It worked this time.
It did work, but yeah. And they do call good fake punts.
They've got a good person that designs those, that looks for the looks, and then puts those into motion. But still, at the same it's like that's that's something that we would absolutely kill him for if it didn't work all you gotta say is they got the look they got the look they got the look uh our friend jared is playing awesome football like legitimately awesome football did the lions win the stafford trade i mean they are this has to be the best it's felt to be a lions fan in a very long time, probably since Stafford went to the playoffs, because not only are they playing great football, they're trending in the right direction, they've got a bunch of young, exciting players on both sides of the ball.
They also have two picks in next year's draft. One of them could end up being a top-five pick.
It is a fund. It's probably the first time we've ever said it on this podcast.
We've been doing it for seven years. It is a fun time to be a Detroit Lions fan.
Yeah, the Lions are legitimately good. I'm joking a little bit when I say that they're the best team in the NFC.
They're probably number three right now in terms of how they're playing. Yeah.
It's probably the Eagles, the 49ers, and then the Lions are actually that good that I would consider them to be, at the moment, the third best team. Like, the Lions are the team that nobody's going to want to play in the playoffs.
We should just, as a country, like, get together and be like, the Lions get to win the NFC South. Yeah.
They get to win the NFC South. Let's just make that the rule.
No one really wants to see any of these NFC South teams anymore. The Lions win the NFC South.
Biz would probably consider them to be part of that division. Yes, they're Southern enough.
Dan Campbell is the embodiment of that meme of the dude that's, like, picking away at the coal mine. And, like, one guy stops because he gets tired.
And the other guy – no, the guy stops because he's tired. But he's, like, two picks away from hitting the diamonds.
Yeah, he's true. And Dan Campbell just kept going because when you coach like Dan Campbell, you just like empty the emotional tank every single week.
Yeah. And it's very hard to continuously do that when you're one and six.
Right. It's like, what more depths can you go to? How many more tears can you cry after a game to pump the guys up? But he just kept crying.
Keeps picking away. Dan Campbell cried his way into success it's it's awesome yeah and it's it's like it's not a fluke like i said five out of last six games and their one loss being a three-point loss to the bills who everyone has his super bowl favorite it's it's just austin watch so they have coming up and this is big they have at the jets next week which is a very very tough game for them because the Jets, their defense is not to be taken lightly, at the Panthers, who are playing good ball, and suddenly we'll get to them later in the NFC South playoff picture.
Then they play the Bears, who they should beat, and then they play at the Packers. Who knows who's going to be playing for the Packers at that point? Yeah, it might be Jordan Love.
I think they have to probably go 3-1 to realistically have a shot at this thing. They'd have to finish 9-8 to have a realistic shot at this 7 seed.
I think the Seahawks, we can get to that later. They beat the Seahawks straight up.
And we can get to the Seahawks later, but I would put more money on the Lions closing out the year strong and having the Seahawks kind of limp into the end of the season.

It's going to be between the Seahawks, Commanders, Giants, Lions.

Yeah.

And you've actually graciously already said you'll step aside if need be.

If need be.

When did I say that?

You were like, well, it's the Lions.

I can't root against the Lions.

No, I said I can't root against the Lions.

I want the Lions to make the playoffs.

No, you'll step aside. If I have to step aside and stand down, I will do that for the Lions.
Wow, that's huge. So you heard it here first.
The commanders have now forfeited the rest of their season. No, I said if necessary, I will stand down.
We'll remember that. If called, I will serve.
Okay, great. So if it gets to the point where we're in week 18 and you have the spot and the Lions need it, you need to make sure that the commanders lose.
No, I've already given up. I gave the Giants the win last week.
I tried to give them the win last week, but they didn't accept it. So I don't know how far my word is going to get in this.
But if it comes down to it and it's the Lions and the commanders fighting for the last playoff spot, I'll make a call. You'll step aside.
I'll make a call. Yeah, you'll make the call.
Alright, other side. And this is, you know what? I don't even really like the Vikings.
They've become a big topic in this show. I think it's a very simple discussion.
Kirk Cousins was good. Justin Jefferson was good.
Their defense is trash. Justin Jefferson was awesome.
Yeah. 223 yards.
He's incredible. Their defense defense sucks their defense has been living on the whole bin but don't break thing for a long time it it's shattered it exploded today it's given uh their defense has given up uh five straight weeks the opponents have have racked up 400 plus yards which is usually a good sign of like hey this defense might not be good it's bad and i know harrison smith wasn't in there but uh I think Lions fans like we're gonna we're gonna pivot the conversation about the Lions fans or sorry Vikings because all year it's been about Kirk Kirk has been playing very well Kirk has had probably his best year uh you know just eyeball test he's had his best year where he's making throws making plays that aren't usually like the Kirk Cousins implode in the pocket.
Justin Jefferson is the best receiver in the NFL. The defense is going to let you down.
Yeah. And they know that.
Vikings fans know that. Per the Elias Sports Bureau, they're the only team in NFL history to have a negative point differential after getting 10-plus wins after 13 games.
And if you want to go even further the uh our guy stat whole sports had uh the stat yards gained versus yards given up uh the worst team in the league uh the the houston texans are at a differential of minus 1200 yards the falcons are second minus 877 yards the the titans who are are i don't even know if you can call them frauds because they probably just aren't that good they're just playing in a bad division they're just hanging out they're just hanging out our 824 at third and then the Minnesota Vikings who are 10 and 3 are fourth in the league in negative yard differential minus 742 that's crazy though that the Texans are in first with what was,200 yards. And then second was like 800.
Yeah. The Texans are that much worse.
Yeah, 300 yards worse. The Texans are, what is that, like almost 50% worse at playing football than any other team in the National Football League.
Yes. And that's, I mean, it's not the end-all, be-all stat, but obviously points can happen in a million different ways.
You get special teams, touchdowns, you get pick sixes, whatever. Yards are pretty good.
Yes. Like test of it's a good yardstick.
Yeah. Yeah.
Is your team like soundly beating teams or is something weird happening here? And I think, again, I think Vikings fans know that the defense is going to let them down. And today was the day that the defense absolutely let them down because Justin Jefferson jefferson could not be stopped and i'll even say one nice thing about the vikings fans i think justin jefferson got that touchdown ripped away from him okay because i think that they called they whistled it early he never went out of bounds yeah his heel didn't touch it made no sense that they stopped that play that should have been a touchdown for him he should have been at like 270 yards yeah that's it was a crazy day for him he rocks rocks.
He's probably the best receiver in the entire league. And today, I do agree, today's story is not that much about the Vikings.
It's just like the Vikings got beaten by a better team. Right.
And they also are going to fall to where we thought they were going to fall. Like they didn't, they weren't going to be the one seed.
This was the day where it's like they're not going to be the one seed. Yeah, they're going to win the NFC North easily.

And they'll they'll have a home playoff game, maybe multiple home playoff games, probably

multiple home playoff games.

But yeah, this is this is the day.

And we said it before, like the 10 and 2 Vikings are on the road and their two point

underdog to the five and seven Detroit Lions.

Yeah, tells you everything.

Take the line. Yep.
Good thing we took. We took7 Detroit Lions.
That tells you everything. Take the Lions.

Yep.

Good thing we took the Lions today.

Billy took the Vikings.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

That's tough, Billy.

We took the Jets.

We did take the Jets.

You guys were right.

Actually, you should have taken the Jets.

Yeah, you should have taken the Jets because let's talk about that game next.

That's the next game.

The Bills, 20.

Jets, 12.

The Bills survive an ugly game. I'm going to – so there was a question afterwards.
A reporter said, are you concerned, Josh Allen, about this offense not looking like an offense that can win a Super Bowl? And his response was simply, okay. So I like that.
Good question. So because it was one of those ugly games, division games, Jets defense.
We've been giving them flowers all season long. They are elite.
They were able to slow down, make the Bills look ugly for a good portion of this game. Started with 10 punts.
But the Bills survived an ugly game. And Mike White, I don't know if he has ribs anymore.
He got folded in half. Like multiple times.
It looked like a folding chair. He got cut in half and sandwiched.
He got turned into the less than sign as he just got absolutely destroyed by the blitzing linebacker. After the game, he was taken to the hospital in a precautionary ambulance is what the coach said.
the coach said yes he had a precaution you know just like a precautionary ambulance right just to make sure that he's doing okay yeah you know like as is as is standard after an nfl game you obviously take your starting quarterback to the hospital in an ambulance just in case i would imagine a precautionary ambulance is like a fun ambulance. It's not actually in service.

It's maybe actually like a Bills fans tailgate. You know, they customized an ambulance, an old ambulance, and put like Bills Mafia all over it.
Yeah. That guy took him to the hospital, and at the hospital it was like.
Except it wasn't a hospital. It was just a bar.
Yeah, exactly. And they're like, here, you need to have some hard liquor to take away some of that pain.
P ron was hitting his kneecap with with like a hot dog and being like all right i'm going to uh prescribe you three three shots of of a weird liquor out of this bowling ball i have and you'll be good to go mike yeah there you go so so he's fine now after a precautionary trip to the hospital where they just said like yeah you got fucked up today mike white really bad i felt bad for mike white because they kept putting him back in the game and he kept getting hurt and they couldn't do anything to protect him and it felt like it was animal abuse it felt like a dog like i was watching a dog that was just like tied up outside in a snow in a snowstorm that was just getting like hit by the wind with no food or water but i felt bad for mike white but it's kind of your guy's fault because every time they put Joe Flacco in, he was like, I don't want to be doing this. He's a starting quarterback.
Joe Flacco is a starter. Joe Flacco.
He starts. He does not come off the bench.
Joe Flacco put, I would say, about 10% of his heart and effort into playing football today every time he came in. What do you expect from Joe Flacco? He gave a full-onon i don't want to be here get mike white back out here i don't care how many ribs he's missing uh it was actually very funny because joe flacco would just keep coming in he would keep looking terrible and being like please don't put me back in this game he had a couple nice handoffs but the fumble was was pretty bad you i actually think that's what happened.
I think Mike White was on the training table,

and the doctor was like,

Mike, you are very, very badly injured.

We can't let you in.

And Mike White was just watching the game and watching Joe Flacco play.

He's like, Doc, I have to play

because Joe Flacco is quiet quitting out there.

So Joe Flacco is going to get everybody else hurt

on the field.

I'll only get myself.

It was very selfless to go back in the game.

Joe Flacco has reached a point in his career where he should not be doing any improvisation whatsoever. If the play doesn't look exactly like he's practiced it in the VR headset or whatever, his job should just be he should sit down.
He should just stop in the middle of the play and sit down crisscross applesauce in the pocket and be like, let's live to fight another day. When he starts to improv, then he did that thing.
He tried to do like a Patrick Mahomes flip of the ball, and the ball went like just straight sideways. And he also, like, Joe Flacco shouldn't be playing.
He shouldn't be outdoors if it's below 40 degrees. Yeah.
Like that in itself was a problem that Joe Flacco was even there. Billy, so Mike White, by the way, 40.4% of the dropbacks he was pressured on.
Yeah, it was bad. That's insane.
Like, the Bills' defense, and that's what I was saying, like a gritty, tough win, because the Bills have had, I think this just comes with the territory when you are the Super Bowl favorite and everyone's picking you apart, and there's games where you don't look great. They've had games where they haven't looked great.
They lost to this Jets team, but their defense was awesome today, stepped up, and their offense did enough where it wasn't like – I don't – the Jets are just a really good defense, and they know the Bills. Yeah, and with Mike White at quarterback, they actually look like a good football team.
Yeah. Like Mike White is – I think – is Mike White him? He makes competent plays.
Should we be having that discussion? He does. I think he might be him.

The funniest play of the first half was, and it was a punt fest,

but on that last drive the Bills had, it was fourth down,

and they ran the play that everybody knows is coming where they tried to get the defense to jump off sides on fourth down,

and they had Dawson Knox go under center

and pretend like he was going to get the snap.

The Jets jump over the line of scrimmage,

absolutely destroy Dawson Knox, but it was very clearly off sides. And then you saw Dawson Knox get hit to the ground and then jumps up and starts celebrating because he just got killed on that play.
And then they went down and they scored. Dawson actually got that touchdown where he flipped into the end zone at the end of the half.
If the Jets had gone into the halftime at 0-0, they might win that game. Yeah, those also are the coolest moments when you get a flip in the end zone out of necessity, not celebration.
When a guy has to flip into the end zone just to get into the end zone, those plays rock. And when you're flipping because somebody else made you flip, not because you're doing it on purpose.
Right, exactly. That's what I'm saying.
Instead of just when guys try to flip to showboat, when they they actually like the only move I have right now is to flip.

Those are the coolest touchdowns.

Billy, how are we feeling?

State of the Jets, they have the Lions.

Ooh, let's play whose line is it anyway with that.

The Lions, the Jaguars, at the Seahawks, at the Dolphins.

They got to win.

Lions at home?

Lions at home.

Whose line is it anyway?

I actually think it's – I think the Jets are going to be favored. Oh, yeah, they will be favored.
By a point. I think it's going to be two and a half Jets.
Yeah, three. Can you look it up, Hank? You can talk, too.
We got to address someone else besides Flacco for quarterback two spot. It can't be Zach Wilson.
No, yeah, it's Streveler. I think we should actually call it Streveler.
Yeah, Streveler, yeah. Just just Streveler just so we can have a guy who can go in there and make some plays and not you know be geriatric I agree like Joe Flacco could start but he's not a backup he's nobody's backup like he needed to warm up yeah like it was very obvious for like a couple hours yeah yeah Joe Flacco if you want to put him in a game you better have like a heated pool inside the stadium that he can go into and do like aqua aerobics for 30 minutes a full training camp before he gets into a game wilson i think i think mike white's starting for the rest of the no no zach wilson's not going to be a jet anymore yeah have you realized that yeah okay because that's like and i actually think robert salah uh deserves all the credit in the world because that I was thinking about it.
That's not an easy thing to do to bench the guy who is supposed to be the franchise quarterback, but the team looks like they're fighting in a different way than they were a few weeks ago. And I think this is why he's seriously going to be in the running for coach of the year.
Yeah. He has one of our votes.
I said that in the beginning of the year. I put that bet in.
I tweeted it. Robert Sala? Yep.
Okay. And I think these are the decisions you have to make that if, you know, they make the playoffs, let's say they go decently in the playoffs, that's going to put them in contention.
What's decently in the playoffs? I think one win. One win? I think one win is more than decent.
Yeah. But, you know...
I think a close loss is a cover. I mean.
With Mike White at the helm, playing like that against the Bills and in Buffalo in this light flurry snow. Moral victory time.
Yeah, that's Super Bowl football. He's right.
We're looking at the Super Bowl now. Hank, go ahead and talk.
Hank, you're making all these faces. I'm totally running up the score while Hank can't talk.
Come on, Hank. Jets minus one.
Oh, okay. Hank, go ahead and talk.
Billy just sounds like a Jets fan. You sound like a Pats fan.
You sound like a Pats fan. When we talk, we don't lose a game and then say, that's a Super Bowl.
No, no, I'm saying that's Super Bowl playing football. That is the Super Bowl contender.
All right. I agree with Hank because it does sound ridiculous.
We beat the Bills in Buffalo last year. People forget.
Billy, it does sound ridiculous to say that's Super Bowl football. You can say that's playoff football.
Well, that's competing. That's competing.
Yeah, yeah. But you guys did that say it.
It's playoff football. I mean, I kind of knew that's how the game we covered.
I kind of know that's how the game we covered. How can you didn't bet on him then? Yeah, me and Pink Cat had him in the contest.
Because I wasn't – it was a weird line. You also, like, were sucking Zach Wilson off.
Like, you're really quick to forget that. No, I was supporting – basically, I was supporting – No, you were sucking him off.
You sucked him off. You did.
Week by week. Yeah.
Oh Yeah You gargle on Mac Jones Yeah I mean Listen to your voice You gargle on Bailey's app And Mac Jones You're getting You're getting double teamed You're getting spit Hank has actually been Pretty honest about Mac Jones recently Recently You did You did suck off Zach Wilson pretty hard I do owe Billy an apology Young man I was not I was not familiar with your game. I owe you an apology.
I was roasting you. You weren't even here.
I was like, hey, Big Cat, do you remember what Billy said about the weather in this game? You said it was going to be wintry conditions. It was going to be snowy, and it was going to be 38 outside.
And I didn't even realize, oh, shit, Billy just predicted a snowstorm in 38-degree weather.

And you were actually right.

There was snow.

It was like sloshy.

Yeah, there was snow, and it was 38 degrees.

I didn't even know that was possible.

Good job.

Well, I've been keeping up with the weather a little harder.

You guys have been holding me to that pretty well.

But I knew that it was going to be a tight game.

They'd probably cover because it was probably going to go under, which it did.

And I didn't have the balls to take it because

I got talked out of it.

I'm not going to do that again, but

they're going to play Detroit Lions. They're scrappy.

I think this was a hard game for the

offense to really click with Mike White at the helm

because of the conditions.

We're going to see at home,

hopefully it's decent weather, that

it's all going to click and you're going to see some serious numbers out of the Jets' offense. Serious numbers.
Serious numbers. I like that.
I mean, you're going to have to compete with the Detroit Lions. It's going to be a shootout.
Yeah, which is crazy to think. I mean, it's kind of a loser-lead town cross-conference.
It is, yeah. I mean, Goff and White actually kind of have a lot of similarities.
That's what I was seeing. Probably just from their stature and play style.
Yeah, I don't know about that one. I agree.
It's definitely both quarterbacks. They are.
They're both quarterbacks. I mean, they're both like 6'6", pretty skinny.
Yeah. They're both good.
Wear t-shirts. I think Mike White's a good quarterback.
You know what? I don't necessarily think he's good yet I think he's a fine quarterback You've got a fine quarterback And he gets a job done Even better person I think the Zach Wilson experiment Is pretty much No no no Done That was the part I was saying. Have you realized? No, no, it's done.
Yeah, I have a Mike White jersey coming in the mail. I'm now going to be slapping his mouth.
So make sure Zach Williams' dick is out of your mouth by the time the jersey gets here. We're on to a new guy.
Okay, all right. Because that was like you were looking back, being like, Zach, you were hoping he was looking back.
You guys were saying goodbye to each other on the street? And then you look back, and he looked back and catch eyes. It was a two-game stretch.
We saw Vikings. This was a two-game.
If he won the game or performed well, that was going to solidify him for the rest of the season. But Zach Wilson, you are right.
Zach Wilson might have to dress just because Mike White keeps getting absolutely brutalized. I know.
Like I literally said, the offensive line is going to decide whether Mike White's career directory survives. Yes.
Survives, yes. Now, it's going to be interesting with Zach Wilson because he's going to go somewhere else, and somebody's going to fall in love with him.
Someone's going to be like, this guy's ceiling is Patrick Mahomes. And he could go.
I think there will. It's more of a yips thing with him, I think, at this point.
Oh, it's just the yips. Well, yeah, exactly.
He will will i'll tell you this new he'll be sick in the xfl yeah he needs a new he would uh scenery he needs a change of scenery yeah because i think to be this is a little hot take but if you hear how like he refers to and his mother refers to the new york media you can have there's like a you can tell that they're really not happy.

Oh, is he too conservative to play in New York City?

I kind of was getting those vibes.

The libs are driving him crazy.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Okay.

It's their fault.

Well, he needs to just – yeah, he needs to go somewhere.

Where would it be?

Like where would the best place for him to own the libs be?

Texas?

Yeah, go to Texas.

Yeah, Texas. Yeah, go to the Texans um okay uh last thing on this game yeah the bills yeah the bills did like struggle offensively and then now we have so i mentioned the jet schedule i love this time of year because you can kind of like map it out with four games left uh that's scary to say the bills have dolphins at bears at bangles and then the then the Patriots if they win out their one seed if the Chiefs slip up at all and they both can go 3-1 they have the tiebreaker but I feel like the one seed in the AFC is going to be so god damn important because getting that bye week getting those home games not having to go through a gauntlet versus some of these teams that are definitely like i i mean the dolphins don't look great tonight but not having to play maybe the bangles in the second round how yeah i mean for the bills it's super important if you can get home field advantage in buffalo imagine imagine a night game in buffalo like 22 degrees snowy i love it afc championship game nobody in the crowd wearing a I love it.
That's football, baby. I love it.
Kurt Loner's going to have a stroke. Okay.
Next up, the first team to actually clinch a playoff spot in the 2022 season, the Eagles, 48, Giants, 22. Congratulations, Max.
Max. Congratulations.
Congrats, Birds. Congratulations, Max.
The Philadelphia Eagles are rolling. They are rolling.
I know that there's been a lot of talk about their schedule. They had that moment where they slipped up against the Commanders and had the close game against the Colts.
This was a game that everyone thought, ooh, maybe tough game, Giants. They obliterated the Giants.
They absolutely took it to them right from the get-go. 14-play, 84-yard touchdown drive.
12-play, 91-yard touchdown drive. And then they got that muff kick that was then just a touchdown to Devontae Smith, a 33-yard touchdown.
They are rolling. Everything is clicking for them.
It looked so easy. It looked so easy so their offense looked like it was running in slow motion but the the defense of the giants was running in even slower motion it's like it's it they they knew exactly where they were going the ball every single time uh on the design runs for jalen hurts or even this like miles sanders had an incredible game but neither one of them looked like they were like they were having to put forth an insane amount of effort.
It was so easy for them today. And it also, they just beat you in so many different ways.
Because A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith, both, like, their ball skills are insane.
They just, half of these throws, it's not, Jalen Hurts is probably going to win the MVP. But he, and it's a credit to him because he basically just says, I'm giving my guys a chance because I know they'll make plays for me.
And they, they did that in the first half. Then they ran the ball down their throat.
Jalen hurts, ran the ball down their throat. Miles Sanders, they have a million different ways to beat you.
And it looks like, I don't know. I, they're just, they're, they're peaking at the right time.
Like they're starting to play really, really good football. They have that big game against the Cowboys coming up.
But that was – Jalen Hurts now it feels like, especially after Mahomes had a weird game in Denver today, it feels like Jalen Hurts is the frontrunner for the MVP. I would say so.
Their offense is clicking. They've got – Miles Sanders now at 1,000 yards.
Miles Sanders has an incredible season, by the way. Like, everybody wrote him off the last two years just because his hamstrings were made out of bubble yum or whatever, but he's playing really, really well right now.
He had a 1,000-yard season. A.J.
Brown has 1,000 yards. That's the first time that the Eagles have had either a runner for 1,000 yards or a receiver for 1,000 yards since 2014.
Wow. When it was LaShawn McCoy and then I think who would have been Macklin probably.

Yeah.

That wide receiver that got a thousand yards.

Yeah.

Macklin in 14, I think was.

Yeah.

So 2014, that's old school Andy Reed shit.

Shout out Mizzou.

This, this Eagles team.

That was Macklin.

That 14 was chip, right?

No.

That might've been Doug, right?

No, I think that, I think that was chip. Yeah.
I think Andy left in 12. Oh, yeah, you're right.
Yeah. It was probably Chip.
Yeah. Yeah, it might have been Chip.
Yeah, that makes sense. Was that the Nick Foles year? Yeah.
Yeah. What was it? 27 touchdowns, two interceptions? Yep.
Something insane like that. Yeah, so congratulations, Max.
But yeah, they're really, really good. And Max, what do you think? I mean, they're rolling.
They're rolling. Yeah.
I mean, today there wasn't even really much to say about the game today. I mean, we have the six TVs.
We turned it off in the third quarter because the game was over. And I actually said, I was like, wait, Max might want to keep watching.
And you're like, nope, game's over. Game's over.
It was. It was.
It was over. Well, it also was because the game that wasn't on was Cowboys-Tex.

Yeah.

That became good.

You turned all your Eagles fury onto how that sucks.

Yes.

Went into the Texas.

To try to get that.

Because now you're at the spot where the Eagles, if they finish 3-1,

they can even lose to the Cowboys.

If they finish 3-1 with the Vikings lost today, they're the one seed.

They can't finish.

If they go 2-2 and they lose to the Cowboys, they might. I don't want to think.
I want to beat the i want to be oh you don't want to think about i want to be the cow you want to beat the cowboys i want to beat the cowboys and now i'm i'm now getting to the point of like people are coming at me on twitter for like cowboys takes and like i hate the cowboys so much i've hated them my whole life but now it's just like and i haven't wanted to win a game a regular season game as bad as I want to beat the Cowboys on Christmas Eve.

Yeah.

As like, I'm almost worried about the Bears next week because of how much.

But that's you look at.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That matters.

You're looking ahead.

That does matter.

Like if you as a fan overlook a team that has an impact as to what the players are on

the field.

That would really put me in a pickle.

Yeah.

If the Bears win a game that I don't want them to win because of draft pick and also because of my Eagles future, wow. That would suck.
Well, that is exactly what's going to happen. The good news is the Eagles are probably going to lock up home field no matter what.
They can't slip up. I think that the Eagles have it.
I don't think the Vikings are a threat anymore. No, no, but the Cowboys are the threat.
Cowboys could be a threat. I think the Cowboys win the tiebreaker if the Cowboys win this game.
And that changes everything. It's not only the one seed, but it's also home field.
Right. Because then you're a wild card.
Yeah, then you're a wild card team. Now you're on the road.
Everything is different. The Eagles have two wins over them right now, right? No, no, no.
The Eagles have beaten the Cowboys once. They play on Christmas Eve.
No, I'm saying like right now they're 121. The Cowboys are 10-3.
The Eagles can't slip up because then that Cowboys game could end up being like, if you lose it, you're now fucked. And you go from the first to the fifth.
And that's why the Texans game was so big today because if they lost, then it was over. It was over.
If they lost, then whatever, give us the one seed. We could coast into the playoffs.
How's your punter doing? Is he okay? Great question. I liked him on the cart, and he was also screaming.
He was screaming at Giants fans being like, fuck you. Yeah, it was a sick play.
Because they were saying shit to him. It was one of the more athletic plays I've ever seen.
Like, he got the punt blocked, right? And he scooped it up with one hand, avoided a defender, and then got absolutely leveled after running for seven yards. And it looked like his ribs just got crunched into his body, and they were going to have to take him off on the carpet.
He was pissed off to be leaving the game. I always love it when there's an injury to a punter or a kicker, and then the punter has to try to kick or the kicker has to try to punt because you would think that they'd be the exact same thing and that any kicker would be able to punt.
Not even close. Not at all.
If you watch a punter try to kick, nine times out of ten, they're going to kick it out of balance by accident. They're going to miss it that badly.
It makes no sense. For the Giants, they're just not that good.
They aren't. Look, they've had a nice season.
They've overachieved. I think most Giants fans would agree their roster is very limited.
You can't – the minute that the Eagles were up 21-0, the game was over. The Giants are not built to come back from 21 down.
Like, they need everything to kind of go right to stay in a game to make those kind of games work. They just don't have enough talent.
Like would the, outside of Saquon, the entire Eagles offensive team, I don't even know. Miles Sanders has been that good.
Would the Giants swap? They would take every single player before theirs on the offensive starting 11? I'm looking right now. I think so.
That just tells you. I don't know that much about the interior line of the Giants, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that yeah the eagles that's how much of a mismatch it is well that's the biggest thing about the eagles is that the offensive line like is incredible hurts has so much time back there every single play and our run game is dominant because of our offensive line yeah so yeah i just don't have the giants are are a nice story nice season they still can get in the playoffs they have that sunday night game against the commanders next week but they're just not I don't have the Giants are are a nice story nice season they still can get in the playoffs they have that Sunday night game against the commanders next week yeah but they're just not I don't think anyone's deluding themselves to be like the Giants wow that's such a bad loss they're just the Eagles are significantly more talented team than yeah even Giants fans I think were they were just kind of along for the ride earlier this season they're like holy shit that's incredible Brian Dable's doing a great job with this team it was But nobody thought, they weren't deluding themselves into thinking that they're going to win playoff games.
Right, right. So it might be, the air might be coming out of, yeah, the Giants.
It feels like for the seventh seed, that's why I want the Lions to get in because they are the only, the commanders are playing good football, the Seahawks and the Giants are not. And the Lions are playing good football.

In terms of fairness, if we just went fairness, the Lions would make the playoffs.

They should, yeah.

And, I mean, the Commanders dominated the bye week this week.

This was huge.

Like, we butt-fucked the bye week.

We had the Seahawks lose.

We had the Giants lose.

This was a great week for the Commanders.

Yeah, you guys had a nice week.

So, that's that game.

Next up, we have Ravens 16, Steelers 14. What is there to say about this game? Because this game sucked.
This game, not even the colors of the Ravens Steelers, who, by the way, don't like each other. Yeah.
And you can throw out the record books when they get together. It's bad.
It's bad for my boy, Mitch. Yeah, it was probably his last chance.

That was tough.

He comes in.

Kenny Pickett played well before he got concussed, which I'm getting a little.

Yeah, he had a touchdown drive.

He had a touchdown drive.

He had a 75-yard touchdown drive.

Okay.

I think to start the game, right?

I thought he was like 0 for 1 passing or something like that.

No, I'm pretty sure he had a 75-yard touchdown drive to start the game and then got concussed. And I think Kenny is good.
Mitch is not good. Yeah, Kenny was 0 for 1.
He was? He was 0 for 1 with zero yards. Where did I think they had a touchdown? Oh, they did have a touchdown with him on the field.
He had two carries for 16 yards. He had a long of 13.
That's probably what you remember. Oh, no, they scored with Mitch in there.
For some reason, I just blanked and was like, oh, Kenny played okay. Maybe Mitch's first drive was good.
Yeah, that's right. Because right when Mitch got in there, we were all like, that's Mitch Trubisky.
He's a great backup coming off the bench. Yes, that's right.
He's not going to be your starter, but he's an impact sub, and then he went on to throw three interceptions. Hand up.
That's a six TV fault of mine where I definitely thought that that touchdown drive was Kenny, not Mitch. So Kenny didn't play well, got concussed, and also that's his second concussion this year, which makes me nervous.
Mitch, I don't know. It's not good.
Yeah. It's not good.
Roquan picked him off. He had the whole Mitch thing where there was a pickoff over the middle.
There was a pickoff where he was trying to throw a left. He's versatile.
Yeah. It was just like, oh, man.
I've seen this before. He doesn't look good.
I still think he's going to get opportunities to be a backup. Sure.
I don't think that he'll ever get a starting spot ever again. Here's something I'll say.
The Ravens defense is very good. They are good.
They're very good. They've got a lot better.
Also, is Mitch still really young in terms of his football career? Yeah, he's very young. So he started one year in college, right? He hasn't played enough football.
So the jury's still out. Seven-year bump is coming out.
The jury's still out on Mitch Trubisky, yeah. That's a fact.
He would be a fine Colts quarterback next year. Yeah.
Yeah. Actually, the story of this game, besides Mitch being bad, the Steelers' defense has reverted to not being that great because you also had Tyler Huntley back up, get hurt, and then Anthony Brown, I was shocked that he's in the NFL because he was not good at Oregon and somehow he's in the NFL you'd think he comes in the Steelers should be able to get back in the game and the Ravens being one-dimensional still ran the ball right down their throat like J.K.
Dobbins was awesome the Ravens played defense and the ball. And old school Ravens football.
And, yeah, like, the Steelers, I saw some Mike Tomlin trending. I saw some it might be time for Mike Tomlin.
Like, people are saying that it's very similar to the end of Andy Reid in Philadelphia where it's he's not a bad coach. He's actually a very good coach.
It's just been a very long time, and it might be time for a change. It's been like half a long time, though, in terms of Pittsburgh time.
True. He's still got like another 10 years, and they'll be like, okay, that will still feel like they're moving on too quickly.
No, he's probably got another 10 years. He's probably going to win another Super Bowl.
That's what the Steelers will do. They are pissed at him in Pittsburgh, and it does feel like it's more than just a one-year rebuild at this point, too.
Yeah. It feels like it's going to take a couple to really smooth out all the problems they have.
Well, they put a lot of money into their defense. Brian Flores is there.
You'd think that their defense would be able to stand up in a game like this where you're up against the third-string quarterback for the Ravens, and they just weren't. Thes were just kept on getting first downs and they needed to running the ball

knowing that they probably can't pass because they don't have that ability and

the Steelers couldn't do anything about it and that's that's got us like for the

true Yenzers that would drive you insane it would it would and the Ravens they

are like anamorphing into the old school Ravens defense right now yeah and we've

been talking for the last couple years about how that Ravens defense just

because they wear those jerseys that are not the same team so don't expect them

to get like anamorphing into the old school Ravens defense right now. And we've been talking for the last couple years about how that Ravens defense, just because they wear those jerseys that are not the same team, so don't expect them to come out there and just dominate defensively.
Now they kind of are doing that. Now they're able to turn, like they flip the switch, and it's like 2001 all over again.
And they got dudes everywhere. Dudes.
Dudes on dudes on dudes. They got dudes everywhere.
So the Steelers are done.

Here's the other part.

If you're sitting at 5-7, there was a group of teams sitting at 5-7 this week,

the Raiders on Thursday night, which we obviously talked about,

the Lions, the Steelers, the Browns.

There is a little bit of freedom in losing that game where the start of the run-the-table game. You know when you sitting there as a fan you're like hey if we run the table we're in the playoffs don't even get the car out of the garage it's over like Steelers fans you don't have to get your hopes up like you don't have to play the what if if you'd won three games in a row and then lost the last two and you're like oh man we were right there no no season's over time for next year like figure out what you got and and it's next year yeah so if i i agree with that because that can that will drive you insane right if you if you think like okay if we do the impossible here we can work it out and if you win like one or two games you're like oh no look at us yeah it's like you're appealing your death sentence over and over and over again then the governor's like no flip the switch right you're done so uh it's it's bad news if you're a Steelers fan right now.
Pickett probably, I'm going to guess he'll be out next week if that's his second concussion of the year. Yeah.
Why would you chance putting him out there again? Yeah. If Mitch continues to play like this, you know that Roethlisberger has at least thought about picking up the phone, right? Like, I'm not saying that they'd take his call.
They probably gave him, like, the rejection hotline in case, like, he gets antsy during the season and wants to call to leave a message. They probably gave him a fake phone number.
But you know Big Ben has considered picking up the phone to call and be like, hey, if you need me. If you need me, I'm ready to go, coach.
I've got a couple weeks left in me, coach. Yes, yeah, call me up.
I'm ready to go, coach. Yeah, man, that would be a fun way to end the season.
That would be a great way to end the season. Just watching Big Ben out there.
I mean, think about it. If you're the Steelers and the run-the-table fantasy is over, you'd like to sell some tickets, right? No, why not? What better way to sell tickets than just have Big Ben back there? How about every year just have a farewell Big Ben ending to the season that you don't make the playoffs? Yeah, no, and have it actually be a true farewell to Big Ben where they do the retirement ceremony all over again and they got the cameras following him into the locker room with his family afterwards.
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, when they do the Ring of Honor, whatever they have in the Steelers for Big Ben, Big Ben night, he's definitely going to ask to play. Yeah, let me just throw one.
Yeah, let me just get in there once. And then I ended up, and then he's going to be on this podcast and be like, I wasn't planning on playing.
And then I was like, hey, let me throw one. And I just ended up next thing you know, I had 70 pass attempts last night.
Next thing you know, I was getting sacked. It was crazy.
Oh, the Dolphins almost recovered. Almost recovered the onside.
They might have gotten it. They're saying they did.
I don't think they did. They pointed first, though.
They pointed first. That's always good for something.

I love the guy who's on.

You've got to be a fast pointer.

That's most of the job on the hands team.

I love the guy who's on the pile, who has no ability to tell who has the ball,

pointing, like, we got it.

We got it.

Our Chargers are pointing more now.

They got it.

Chargers got it.

So Chargers win.

They almost Chargered this.

Let me do a quick ad, then let's talk about this game.

That's it for Raven Steelers? Yeah, I think so. Big Ben.
We've reached the Big Ben. Will he or won't he point in the discussion? I'd say we can move on.
That's our version of the wrap it up music. Yeah.
It's like when we start talking about Big Ben during the Steelers recap. It's like, all right, guys, wrap it up.
You know that he's thought about it. Oh, yeah, and we have.
Yeah, a lot. I'm thinking about it right now.
A lot. All right, so game time.
If the Steelers do do the Big Ben retirement tour night, game time will get you there. Can we just start that rumor? Yeah.
Big Ben is thinking about coming back. Big Ben is willing to start for the Steelers if needed.
Yeah, if needed, he's in the best shape of his life right now. Facts.
And he's rediscovered his love for the game, and he's willing to come back there if you need him, Steelers. If you need him.
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They're all the way across the country right now. Jake, it feels like the bottom's falling out a little bit.
Yeah, it's not good. I could sit here and talk into this mic and say to us ceilings, Patrick Mahomes, but I'll call it how it is and say, yeah, the last two games have been awful.
He's been bad. And they're at Buffalo.
That was a low blow, Jake. At Buffalo next week.
So, yeah, not great. Like you mentioned, the 3 for 17 start, but.
What do you finish up as? Couldn't be great. Tua's, it's bad.
It was a very bad start a very bad start for 10 for 28 the coolest part of that game was was uh the fumble where the ball squirted out of the back of the pile tyreek hill grabs it and the second tyreek hill touches the ball jake goes he's gonna score yeah because like that that's what you think with tyree if tyreek hill gets his hands on a football in the middle of a field unexpectedly nobody's able to tackle. That's funny you said that because Max, producer of the year, said can't advance a fumble.
Doesn't know ball. Dude, Max also didn't know the fair catch kick rule.
I had to explain that to him. Oh, Max.
This is bullshit. I know, I know, I know, I know.
This podcast is built on bad takes and knowing ball. That was a bad moment of take.
Not a take. Put the camera on yourself.
It wasn't a take. It was just you not knowing ball.
Max, put the camera on yourself and apologize. I know.
I got excited. I thought I was knowing a rule that was going to make me sound smart, and it instead made me sound terrible.
And then later I asked him, I go, hey, Max, okay, since we're teaching each other ball, let's do a little quick pop quiz. What's the targeting rule in the NFL? And then he started to explain it to me.
And I'm like, dude, there's no targeting rule trick question. That's college.
This was like the fifth question. Learn ball.
This was like the fifth line of questioning. Would you take a ball test? No.
Would you do a ball test? A ball test would be funny. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
Not for me, but just in general, like test as well. A ball test, yeah.
Do you know a questionnaire of do you know ball? How many feet? Besides you and PFT, who knows ball the most? I think maybe you, Hank. I agree.
It might be Hank. Although the Hungry Dog has not hit this year, so maybe not.
It's either Hank or... I mean, what? I'm being honest.
You don't know Hungry Dog ball. Wait, when we say ball, just like weird rules? I think it's Hank or Jason.
No, just do you know ball. It's pretty simple.
If you have to ask, then you can't afford it. I know ball.
No, you don't really know ball. You just had to ask.
You've played ball, but you don't know ball. Billy, they asked you to write down the 32 teams like a year ago, and you couldn't do it.
No, no, you gave me a time limit. You don't know ball, bro.
Yeah, you don't know ball. No, you don't know.
It's okay, bro. It's okay, bro.
Lily, you're young. When I was your age, You don't know ball Yeah you don't know ball No you don't know

It's okay bro

It's okay bro

You can do it now

Billy you're young

When I was your age

I didn't know ball

Billy

It comes with time

Billy we've watched like

Twice as much football

As you have

I know

Be careful Billy

Because you don't want

Us to go to the next level

And call you casual

Right

I'm gonna be honest

You don't know ball

Back when I played

You don't know like that

Yeah you don't know ball

I couldn't watch college football

And then on Sundays

I had to do all my homework

So I wasn't

Yeah I've never done that Thank you. I'm going to be honest.
You don't know ball. Back when I played football, I couldn't watch college football.

And then on Sundays, I had to do all my homework. So I wasn't really watching NFL football.
Yeah, I've never done homework or anything. Billy, the fact is me and Big Cat have watched probably more than twice as much football as you've watched.
It's actually snowball. People don't underestimate how much football you guys especially watch.
I've forgotten the names of more like two and 14 coaches than you will ever learn in your life.

Ooh, next year we should try to,

we should actually do like a tally.

Any game, anytime we watch a game start to finish

and how many games we watch start to finish in a given season.

NFL should send you like an end of the year Spotify rap thing where it shows you like how much time you spent watching Red Zone. Yeah, and Max's would just say, you don't know ball.
Yeah, sorry, bro. Let's go back to Billy not knowing ball.
You can't advance it. All right, it's okay.
It's not a big deal, Max. I feel bad for you.
Max actually doesn't know ball. Also, it's good because it's not like you said it around me because if you said it around me, I wasn't going to tell anyone that you said that.
You're the only person I said it around. And you go, oh, no, don't worry.
I'm not going to go tell anybody. It was the next 20 minutes of our time was just quizzing me on football.
Listen, Max. Max, you proved to me that you don't know ball.
We had a little pop quiz. You got the forward pass question correct about any part of the quarterback's body.
You knew that one. But Max, think about it this way.
You represent us. I know.
Don't embarrass us. If you go out to a bar, and imagine if you were at a bar, and that play happened, and you screamed out, can't advance it, and everyone turned around and was like, yo, aren't you Batgirl from PMT? Bro, do you even even know ball what if it was like a chargers bar and you said that in there oh actually we'd be so no chargers bars i don't think there i don't think there is a chargers bar in north america no it was a dolphins bar and he screamed it out loud and everybody was like oh that's not going to count they'd be so mad at you and that would look so bad on us wait pft explain the fair catch uh kick rule

because not that many people know about it yeah well people that know ball understand the fair catch kick rule because it's usually only used in high school yeah no that's when it most effectively like the the scenario occurs where like a game-winning field goal like within a at the end of a half or at the end of the game you can fair catch a kick it can be a punt or a or a kickoff. You can fair catch it, and then you get one untimed, uncontested kick.
You can put the ball on a tee and kick off that tee and try to get a field goal worth three points. It happened.
It's happened a couple times in the last 10 years. Yeah, I want to say like.
Yeah. Joey Slides.
Carolina Panthers did it in London. Whoa.
Well, no. I told him.
I told him about that. This guy knows ball.
I was doing a ton of research. That's okay.
It doesn't matter how he knows ball. It's just dropping something like that.
He gains our trust. No, but no, he doesn't really know ball.
He's like Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting where I'm going up to the guy in the bar. It's like, oh yeah, I read that too.
You're going to tell me about the Marxist, the economic system of the plantations. You're going to tell us about Steve Sable? Yeah, I watched that too.
I watched all the old videos. One day you're going to just look yourself in the mirror and realize that you spent $40,000 on education.
You could have gotten it for $499 a library card. No, you could have gotten it for $59.99 with a red zone in your couch.
Think about that. Sorry.
I mean, we're old school. We learn.
Remember when you asked who the last Eagles receiver to have a thousand yards was? You knew it. Jeremy Macklin.
I think I said wasn't that Macklin and then you said, yes, sir. It was a tribute.
That's true. You said, yes, sir.
PFT. Well done, sir.
Well, we were having the discussion earlier and that was a question that somebody asked me. Oh, I wasn't in the room for that.
Completely separate. This is completely random.
You're grasping at strong. I know.
I just want some sort of acknowledgement of ball. You just want to know ball.
I get it. I get it.
I get it. No one ever truly knows ball.
It's the act of learning ball. By the way, confirmed I was correct.
2013-15 was Chip Kelly, Philadelphia Eagles. Damn.
You know ball. I do know ball.
Okay. All right.
Chargers win. That was a big win for the Chargers.
Yeah. And I don't know if it was Tua looking bad, but the Chargers defense looked better than they've looked in a long time, and they have the receivers back.
I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to believe in the Chargers.
But with that said, I think they are the seventh seed. No one wants to see.
Dude, I'm sick. No one wants to see them.
I'm sick of people like the backlash to the backlash of Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert's just a good quarterback.
If you think that Justin Herbert's not a good quarterback, then you actually do not know about it. He can play quarterback.

It's fucking Acho in his little rant where he missed the point

and being like, Justin Herbert is a social media quarterback.

No, no, no.

He's a good quarterback.

I don't know what that means, a social media quarterback.

He got confused, as he often does, where he thought he was saying

the Chargers are a social media team and the fact that NFL media

every August and a bunch of blue check marks suck their dick and charge the best team in the NFL. And if you know ball, you know that, one, they're all going to get injured, and, two, they're just going to charge their shit up and fall below expectations.
That's how they're a social media team. Justin Herbert's just a good quarterback.
Yeah, he's very good. Justin Herbert is one of the best young quarterbacks he has regressed this year just like numbers wise dvoa and shit but i still watch the game and i'm like half the time he he doesn't have receivers with him and he's also just it feels like he's he's stuck in that third and 18 every time because if they make a stupid penalty they try a screen pass because they can't run the ball where it gets blown up and then he's got to make a huge play and he usually does yeah i'll be very clear the chargers if they make the playoffs are going to lose the chiefs and get like three punts blocked in that game it's gonna be scary though for a second it'll be a disaster for the chargers because they will charge us away the game pretty badly i feel like they'll be up like 10 nothing-0 though and we'll be like whoa.
Watch out. It might be like that Texans-Chiefs game from a few years ago where they take an early lead and then Patrick Mahomes is like okay I'm just gonna piss missiles all over you and then it's end of game.
So the Chargers have a game against the Titans coming up and then at Colts Rams-Broncos. The Chargers this was a huge game because it feels like they can make the playoffs now and when I say that that means they'll probably lose two out of four of those in stupid fashion they'll lose to the Rams I did have a moment today where I was screaming at the TV at Brandon Staley just fucking kick a field goal I know just kick a fucking field goal I know I'm gonna declare this please hold me to it Jake can you? Chargers, if they play in prime time, remove the over 3.5 field goal bet from the Chargers in prime time because there's nothing more frustrating than betting on that bet and Brandon Staley going for it on like fourth and sixth from the 20-yard line.
The part that I don't understand, and obviously it worked out tonight because they got the touchdown at the end of the first half but part of going for it on fourth and goal from like the two yard line is that if you don't get it you back them up and then you expect if you can just get three stops you have the punt and you have now you're in plus territory right so i don't get it why you do it at the end of a half when you don't get the benefit that's what i was saying backing them up you them up. You don't get it on the back end at all.
Right. Yep.
Okay. So, all right.
Look at us. We're understanding the fourth down probability charts.
A lot. A lot.
They're on Monday night in two weeks. I'm not.
We're not at the Colts. We're not betting 3.5 field goals in that one.
We're not going to do it. That's the game they're going to lose, by the way.
And they're slated for week 17 Sunday night football. Potential flex of the year.
Rams, Chargers. Remind me to take the Colts in the Chargers at Colts.
That's the game they're going to lose. That's the game they're going to lose, by the way.
And they're slated for Week 17 Sunday Night Football, potential flex of the year, Rams-Chargers. Remind me to take the Colts and the Chargers at Colts.
That's the game they're going to lose. That's the game.
They're going to win next week. They're going to be actually in the playoffs.
Like, when you look at the playoffs standings, they'll be in there. Then they'll somehow lose to the Colts for no reason.
Yep. That's absolutely what's going to happen.
All right, next up, Jaguars-Titans. Trevor Lawrence, can we say it, has officially arrived? He's like, he's taxing to the gate right now.
He's playing. So, obviously, last week he didn't play well.
He also got the most horrific injury that didn't take him out of any game. But he was awesome today.
Awesome, awesome, awesome. I think he had one of his best games as a pro.
He had that game, what, two weeks ago where they beat the Ravens. So he's now putting together semi-adjacent incredible performances.
And I'll just say, so maybe he hasn't arrived. I am firmly in the Trevor Lawrence is your franchise quarterback.
Yeah. Like, I'm set with that.
He's no longer a bust. I've seen enough.
If you can do the right things, I am now in the Jaguars can fail Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence can't fail the Jaguars territory.
So, he's close to a rival. He's circling.
He's on final approach. And today, he had a pretty important milestone in Jaguars franchise history first quarterback with 300 pass yards multiple pass touchdowns and a rushing touchdown in a single game and the rushing touchdown was pretty cool never happened before mark brunel never did that so it's pretty cool pretty cool that you actually have a quarterback that i agree you build around now you don't even think about what your future is at quarterback you know what your future is going to be at quarterback.
Now it's only going to be like how good can Trevor Lawrence be. Yeah, he was 30 for 42, 368 yards, three touchdowns.
And more than anything, it's the throws he's making down the field. So the last three weeks, he's six touchdowns, zero interceptions on 10-plus air yards.
He's now pushing the ball, making those throws that were kind of sketchy.

I don't even know how to explain it when we watched it when it was bad last year

and the first half of this year where it was like—

They would sail a little bit off.

It was like not even—yeah, right.

It wasn't that he was missing guys.

It was just the balls just—they were just weirdly placed

and hitting guys' helmets and stuff. I think he still hit a helmet today.
But he looked awesome today. The Jaguars looked really good today.
The Jaguars are now maybe in the playoff hunt because the Jaguars are playing good football and the Titans are reeling. The Titans are playing bad football.
They are, I think they've lost three in a row now.

It feels like just nothing is working.

What they could rely on before, really good defense,

ball control has not been there.

And I looked at the schedule.

I said, I think the nerd that's on NBC put it at a 14% chance

the Jaguars can make the playoffs.

Kornacki.

Yeah, Kornacki.

I told our good friend Uncle Chaps, I'm saying 20% chance.

You're upping his percentage.

I don't know. NBC put it at a 14% chance the Jaguars can make the playoffs.
Kornacki. Yeah, Kornacki.
I told our good friend Uncle Chaps, I'm saying 20% chance. You're upping his percentages.
His data is wrong. My data is right.
All right, so right now I'm going with a different nerd. Okay.
The 538 website has the Jaguars at 15%. Okay, so they're also wrong.
So they're wrong, but it sounds like they're more right than the nerd on NBC is.

Yes, yes.

The nerd at 538, Nate Silver, his model more closely follows your model than Steve Kornacki's.

I've looked at it.

I've crunched the numbers.

If the Jaguars can beat either the Cowboys or the Jets in the next two weeks,

I think they can make the playoffs.

And this is all predicated on the Titans kind of fumbling the bag here and looking not great. And also this weekend or next weekend when it's the Cowboys at Jaguars, that's a look-ahead spot for the Cowboys because they're looking forward to Max's Eagles.
Yes, that's also a weird matchup where I can't really name many times those teams have played. No, Cowboys and Jaguars, never.
I feel like the Jags. Never.
Did the Jags ever play on Thanksgiving? No. They wore weird.
Dear God, no. They wore weird uniforms in Dallas once.
The black ones with the. The gradient.
Yeah. The multicolored helmet.
I have a memory of that. But yeah, that's a matchup that you can't name your favorite Jaguars-Cowboys memory.
It's never happened. It's never happened.
The Dolphins, I don't think, have ever played against the Seahawks. Actually, did they play this year? No.
Was that the Sprinkler game? Yeah, it might have been like two years ago. Remember the Sprinklers came on the field? With who? With the Dolphins.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that was.
When was the last time the Jaguars – it was four years ago, but who was playing in that game and what was the result? 40-7 Cowboys. I think that is when they wore those jerseys and it was really bad.
It was Blake. I know, it was Blake.
I'm pretty sure that's what they – can you find a picture of that game? It was probably windy. 15 for 26, 149, one plus – All right, we don't have to do that.
No, no, no. All right.
Can we see the – Better than two of them. Can we see a picture of the game, please? Yes.
So, yeah. So, the Jaguars play the Cowboys next week.
If they can beat the Cowboys or the Jets, I think they can do it. I really do because the the Titans are playing poorly, and they play again week 18,

and they already have beaten them once.

So if you can find a way, like if, let's just say, yeah,

so it was the black ones.

I don't know if it was the gradient.

I do remember that game.

If they could somehow pull off an upset against the Cowboys next week.

Here's the problem.

If the Titans, if they just beat the Texans.

No, that's part of my model. I know.
I'm saying the Titans, if they just beat the Texans... No,

that's part of my model. I know.
I'm saying the Titans, if they just beat the Texans

in week 16, then they're 80%

to get into the playoffs. Right, but

if the Titans go 1-3 and the

Jaguars go 3-1, the Jags make it.

That's my model.

It might come down to week 18. That's what I'm saying.

That's my model. Week 18.
That's my model.

You don't want to go to Duvall. No, you don't.
Not in January. Not in January.
Was that January 8th? January 8th. No, sir.
Duval County. No, sir.
Let's play Who's Light is January. Better pack a lunch.
Cowboys, Jaguars. Cowboys by five and a half.
I was going to say four and a half. Can you look it up? Six.
Six. Damn.
Okay. I'm going to take the Jaguars.
My note on this one is the Titans-Jaguars game should always be played on Thursday night. That should be a Thursday night matchup.
That's a fact. This is not a Sunday matchup.
It's not a Monday night matchup. Dear God, it's not a Saturday.
It's a Thursday night matchup. They have to wear the color rush.
Yeah, the mustard, the baby poop yellow. Yeah.
We also had Evan Ingram, who is torturing Giants fans now because he was awesome today. He had 162 yards and two touchdowns.
He also is, we've talked about it, how the Jaguars just never have tight ends. He is the sixth time that a Jaguars tight end has eclipsed 100 yards receiving in a game.
That's crazy. That's crazy.
To put it in perspective, Travis Kelsey has 33 times he's done it. Gronk has 32.
The Jaguars, as a franchise, have done it six times. So in their history, they've got, they had like three good years of Mercedes Lewis.
So I couldn't even find find this i couldn't even find i found uh four out of or five out of six of them i couldn't find the six i'll bet uh julius thomas probably maybe i bet you he had one it was marcedes lewis had one kyle brady two pete mitchell one and uh evan gangram had one today tebow did tebow ever get one? Tebow did not. Preseason.
Bring Tebow back.

Preseason warrior.

But yeah, the Titans, again, I don't think they're frauds because I think they're just

not that good right now.

No, I think the Titans are still going to make the playoffs.

I think they've just...

80% chance.

They just clinched the division in September.

But did they?

In that one game against the Colts.

When they beat the Colts, it's like, okay, that's the end of the season.

The Titans can just be seebs for the rest of the year, not really do shit and not really exert themselves too much. What's the odds? I want to maybe bet on the Jaguars.
It would be nice to see the Jaguars in the playoffs, but it's going to be the Titans. They're going to get bounced, and then everyone's going to play the you-need-to-respect-the-Titans card more because they've been to the playoffs like five years in a row.
The Jaguars are plus 550. The Titans are the Atlanta Braves.
To win the AFC South. The Tennessee Titans are the mid-90s Atlanta Braves of the NFL.
They just keep racking up division wins. You're going to get to the playoffs every single year.
Something weird is going to happen. You're going to be very mad for a couple days, and then you'll be like, okay, we'll get them next year.
Look, we're already projected at like 93% to win the division next year.

Yeah, I'm just rooting for maximum amount of new teams.

I want the Jaguars in.

I want the Lions in.

Listen, you will not find a bigger Lions supporter than me.

On behalf of Commanders fans, I hope Lions fans will reciprocate.

You can join the command wagon.

I'll join the Lions bandwagon.

I want those two teams to make the playoffs together.

Yeah.

Okay, so that's that game. Next up, Bengals-Browns.
Bengals 23, Browns 10. Bengals get the monkey off their back.
They haven't beaten the Browns in two and a half years, so five straight. And it feels like...
Deshaun Watson actually wasn't that bad for the start of the game, and then it was essentially like every Browns game with Jacoby Brissett. I actually was thinking Jacoby Brissett could win this game, but Deshaun Watson at the end of the game started throwing picks and the Browns penalties left and right.
It felt like every Browns game they had a chance. They should have been out of the game, and they were still in the game up until, I don't know, five minutes left.
They kept getting the ball back down 13 and then not being able to do anything yeah the Bengals had a sick flea flicker that was uh that was Trenton Irwin Trent Irwin not I think it's Trenton Trenton Irwin I think it's Trenton not Trent Taylor who also had I double checked I think Trent Taylor had like 32 yards 34 yards one catch 34 yards there we go a single double at good. I'm on his stats every week.
I'm looking him up. Because when Trenton Irwin caught the flea flicker, I was so pumped.
I was like, our fucking dude just caught a touchdown. They look very different.
Right. But Trenton and Trent can get a little confusing.
It can, yeah. So the Bengals, they got the monkey off their back, like you said.
This is more like it didn't really have that much of an impact. I don't think it will have that much of an impact on the Bengals' postseason hopes.
I think the Bengals are going to make the postseason. I think that they're pretty well positioned right now to do that.
Yeah, they're not in for it. It was more about the Bengals just getting that confidence of like, okay, the Browns don't have our number anymore.
We're good enough to not have like a curse against us. Yes.
And so it was a statement win for them. There was one moment where Deshaun Watson developed a cramp in his hamstring.
Did you see that? He had a self-massage. He started to cramp up after he fell down on the ground, and then he just, like, grabbed his leg and started to, like, rub his own cramp out of his leg, and everyone stood around him.
Like, everyone was thinking about it, but nobody said it.

Yeah.

It was a very funny moment.

Yeah, it was.

To just, like, watch all his teammates, like, look at him, be like,

should we call somebody out?

Yeah.

I don't know, Deshaun.

Why don't you take care of that yourself?

Yeah, do that yourself.

Yeah, the Bengals, yeah, they're – I mean, they have kind of a tough schedule

still left.

They have to play the Ravens and the Bills, and the Bucs don't.

I'm not counting the Bucs as good anymore.

They're not a football team. They're not good anymore, so that's not a part of their tough schedule.
But one of my favorite things that happened in this game, and the Bengals' second-half defense, by the way, still elite, seven points given up. We have a good old-fashioned uprising of fantasy football players very upset at a coach.
There are a lot of people, a lot of people that want to murder Zach Taylor. T.
Higgins, if you didn't follow, if he is not on your team, we're getting to the playoffs, we're getting to right before the playoffs. T.
Higgins was taken off the injury report. He was on all week.
He played one snap, and then he came out of the game and didn't play for the rest of the game. And people are fucking pissed.
Pissed. I actually, this is maybe like a masochist, but I love to just search, name search, like people upset at coaches.
Like the Matthew Berries of the world just getting so upset at who who do this to the fantasy owners this late in the season one guy said Zach Taylor and the Bengals should be fined five hundred thousand dollars for removing T Higgins from the injury report while not playing him second time this year it's happened we've got fantasy chances we have fantasy championships to win here big cat who pays these guys' salaries? I mean, it's a good question. It's fantasy football owners.
Yeah, it's fantasy football owners. Yeah, people are so mad.
Like I said, I just search it the whole time. The NFL cannot allow the Cincinnati Bengals to continue to lie about the injury status of its players if they're going to be a partner with the gambling and fantasy community.
Joe Mixon, T. Higgins, Shane Falco, how much longer will this go on? Shane Falco.
So check this out, Big Cat. T.
Higgins actually snuck onto the field. It was not a coach's decision.
He was supposed to be out the entire game. I don't know if that makes it any better.
But T. Higgins snuck onto the field because he wanted to get into the game without his coach's permission.
He just like, he did the Peyton Manning when Brock Osweiler was supposed to get into the game, and he snuck onto the field because he loves ball. He wanted to be out there with his buddies, with his teammates.
And so he gets onto the field and then his coaches, they just kept him off the field. They're like, dude, we told you that you're not playing today.
I need to hear from Matthew Berry. He's got to be furious.
This is another one. This T Higgins injured, but not on the final injury report.
Shit is really shitting on my Sunday. Like, what are we doing here? It's hands on site.
Zach Taylor. Hands on site.
That was from Linda. Linda DeLions.
I like that. Respect.
She's ready to fucking fight Zach Taylor. I just, there's something old-fashioned ramps up when you get to playoffs before fantasy.
And I have sympathy for fantasy football players right now. That sucks.
If you go into the last week of the regular season and you have this happen to you, you have reason to be pissed. Hands on sight, Zach Taylor.
Yeah, no, it's definitely, if I put myself in your position, I would be furious. Furious! Especially if it's, like, a big money league.
Yes. If there's a lot at stake, I'd be very upset about it.
But ultimately, it's a reminder that they don't really care. No.
That the NFL, like, does not give a fuck about your fantasy team. $500,000, they should be fined.
Yeah, $500,000. $500,000.
Like, it should serve as, like, a small wake-up call to people to be like, hey, they really don't. Your fantasy league doesn't matter at all.
But hands on side. But the people that take fantasy football very seriously will never, ever understand that, which is why I love them.
Yeah, I'll just search it. I'll probably go to bed tonight, like, searching Zach Taylor, fuck you.
Yeah. Just watching all the different replies.
What were you going to say, Hank? I mean, no one cares about fantasy, but I missed out on a playoff spot tonight because I started the Titans defense. They got negative seven points.
Oh, well, that's just your... You don't know ball.
That has nothing to do... What? That has nothing to do with Zach Taylor.
I think we all knew that the Jaguars were going to put up points this week. Yeah.
I think I gave you that on Friday's show. He did give it to you.
He did give it to you. You should have listened to me because I know Ball.
Who's ahead in the standings right now? Ball knower. Fuck Zach Taylor.
Pulling Higgins off the injury report, not playing him should be punishable. I hope the Bengals lose every game from here on out.
We just need justice. They need to figure out a way to get Zach Taylor in a dunk tank or something.
Something needs to be done for fantasy owners. I think it should be hands on sight.
Yeah. I think every fantasy owner should be allowed to slap him.
Or at least shoot him with an airsoft gun. Yeah.
What were you going to say, Billy? Nah, I was going to say something about my fantasy team. I just picked up Jarek McKinnon off waiver wires.
He went off today. Well done.
Oh, that's sick. That's real sick.
I just had to tell somebody. All right.
You've been told. You told all the AWS.
I do love this though that he should be fined $500,000. I love that one, yeah.
Where did you come up with that number, I wondered? I don't know. It feels right though.
Oh, it's a fantasy football guy. Yeah, no, no.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, no.
I did my research.

I was searching people mad at Zach Taylor for about 20 minutes today. This guy's a super flex truther.
Yeah. No, he was...
$500,000 feels right. Yeah, I'm with this guy.
$500,000. Yeah, $500,000.
$500,000. Last thing I had from this game, just a weird stat that's kind of fun.
Fun stat you can walk around with in the back pocket and Just tell people. Jamar Chase is now the third wide receiver ever in NFL history with Devontae Adams and Brandon Marshall, who had 10-plus catches and also were sacked.
Yeah. He took a bad sack to that.
He took a really bad sack. So they tried to spring him on a – was it an in-around or something like that and get him out in space and throw a pass.
And he took one of the worst sacks of all time. It was a Matt Ryan-esque sack.
You would think that a player that is so good at wide receiver would have a shred of escapability to them, but the second they turn into a quarterback, they just get sacked like a motherfucker. Yeah, and he looked at Joe Burrow after.
He's like, I don't know what to do. Yeah, that was bad.
We also had, there was a report, which I love this because it's always like a no duh, but teams should get credit for doing even the no duh things. There was a report today before the game that the Bengals have changed their entire offense in week five this season to give Joe Burrow way more control, and they've won six of seven since.
Yeah, that's when he started going shotgun. Yeah, no duh.
It's just very funny that they had to sit down and be like, oh, our franchise quarterback who is an insane leader and makes all the right decisions, maybe we should let him do it more? Yeah, it was so obvious. No duh.
It was like, okay, stop putting him under center. Yeah.
He hates that. That just sucks to have to bend over 50 times a game.
Let him stand up straight and take the ball. Like a man.
And do what it is that he does. Yeah, like a man.
Like a man does. Yeah, play man ball.
Was this senior night for the Bengals? I lost track if this was senior night or if this was Harambe. I think it was Harambe night, right? Because they were getting the monkey off their back.
Yeah, they got their monkey off their back. So the monkey is officially off the back.
The only other note that I had here was David Njoku. To me, he feels like he could be Antonio Gates if he had a good quarterback.
I always forget how good he is until he gets the ball in his hand, and it's like, oh, that guy's a little bit different I think he drops balls oh does he I think got bad hands I I feel like I've in like the back of my head I just see him like in the end zone uh about to make a great catch and he drops it because every time he he catches a ball and runs with it you're like oh that dude is legit right right he might have some some drop issues he's got a little bit of the pickens thing where the easy catches yeah right where he gets his hands twisted up he had a um a meager 3.8 drop rate last year i don't know what that means but it said meager in front of it oh that's that's pretty good so that's might be just he dropped one that i've remembered and i just can't get out of my head head. I think it was Hard Knocks.
Was it? What was his drop rate the year before? 3.8 is the drop percentage. He only had two drops last year.
What about the year before that? I don't know. This is the most recent year that stats were available.
I think in that Browns Hard Knocks, he didn't catch a pass and it's just poisoned all of our memories. Yeah, that is true.
Anything that happens in hard knocks just stays in my memory forever. This guy is awesome.
Like Baker Mayfield throws a hell of a spiral. Kajust? Oh, the crystals? Dude.
He's just waiting for his chance. Bob Wiley.
Yeah, Bob Wiley. The troops didn't stretch before D-Day.
Yeah, and the fact that he squeezeshini. Yeah.
Every day. Okay, next up, Cowboys 27, Texans 23.
This game actually was close. Yeah, congrats to the Texans.
This was a statement loss on their part. It's a perfect tank loss.
They could have won this game, actually. Yeah, if they, well, yeah, they could have.
They were in position to win the game. Like, before the game started, the Cowboys lost their safety.
He got hurt in pregame. And they were already down two cornerbacks, one of which was not Diggs who had a bullshit interception on a Hail Mary at the end of the half.
Oh, he was just hawking for it. And he was ripping the ball away from his teammate.
He's like, that's my interception. Then he went on Twitter afterwards and said, just so everybody knows, I caught that ball first.
That interception should be mine. So he was making sure that he gets credit for that.
Real impactful play there. I do want to give credit to the Dallas Cowboys, though, because Big Cat, off the top of your head, when was the last time the Cowboys had back-to-back double-digit win seasons? I mean, it's probably the 90s.
It was 1996. Yeah.
95-96, which is crazy. That is crazy.
Considering how much air we use up talking about the Dallas Cowboys. They're always relevant.
They're always relevant, and this is the first time that they've actually been consistent in back-to-back years. You know what, though? That fucks me up now because of the 17 games.
Because now it's like winning 10 games is no longer impressive. It kind of ruined it yeah 10 games was impressive when you were 10 and 6 it was a watermark 10 and 7 is not that impressive 10 6 and 1 is still good 10 6 and 1 is still good but it was always like in the back of your head i i always was like a 10 win team is a good team a 12 win team is where you start to be like that's a really good team it's you know what now with 12 and 5 it's like are they really good it all goes back to what we remember from like the the home screens in madden we are selecting your team a 10 and 6 team you're expecting like their overall ratings in the high 80s yeah right like that's a very good team and then and then yeah like when you get to the 12 bars where it's like okay now 12 and up 13 and 3 is like that's you got to be the one seed.
You've got to be the favorite. But now thinking about 13 and four, I mean, the Vikings are going to be 13 and four.
You know what's also crazy is that the Cowboys see themselves as underdogs now. Yeah, because the Eagles.
Yeah, Cowboys fans are like, nobody believes in us. We're the Dallas Cowboys.
No, we just find you annoying. Yeah, you're just fucking really, really annoying.
Because you get talked about all the time and you haven't been good since the 90s you're the worst yeah but they're good they are good this year like i i'm trying not to hold their fans against them as a team um but the cowboys are are very good this was a very easy game for them to to stumble and lose uh there were 17 and a half point favorites they that They had to go into this game being like,

we don't even have to get out of bed for this.

I still, though, and Max is going to love me saying this,

maybe it's because I just haven't seen it.

I just don't know if I trust Dak in a huge playoff moment.

Maybe it's because we saw it, like the run,

17-yard run to end the game last year. You know what it is? I feel like he throws a shitload of second-quarter interceptions.
If we can figure out a way to – he might be the worst second-quarter quarterback in the NFL. If we can figure out a way for him to just hand the ball off to Tony Pollard in the second quarter and not attempt any passes, I think they might be in business.
I also think that maybe it's what – because it's not the passing. I think he's a very good passer.
I think it might be that I don't. I feel like he could run a little bit more.
And he doesn't. You know, he doesn't.
It feels like sometimes there will be easy yards there. And he also runs sideways a lot.
He panics sometimes. He gets in like when he starts scrambling.
You can tell that he's just like he's terror. Yeah.
He's got terror in his eyes and terror in his legs the way that he runs. He needs the sleeves.
I got to figure out what it is because the Cowboys are very, very good, and I think Dak is a very good quarterback. It's also just seeing it to believe it.
Like, I would say the same thing. I don't know.
Name a quarterback that, like, we haven't seen it actually happen all the way yet. Ryan Tannehill.
Well, yeah, that, duh. I don't believe that.
I'm thinking out loud just winning a big playoff game. Jalen Hurts.
Jalen Hurts, yeah, I have to see it. Yeah.
What's Dak's biggest playoff win? I guess that's it right there is what I'm talking about. What is his biggest playoff? He won the MVP.

I think I found it mentally.

You know how it is just win one big playoff game,

and then forever I'm going to be like, yep, I can see it. Big playoff game winner.

He beat the Seahawks a couple years ago.

Yeah.

I wish our internet worked in this fucking office. Do you know off off the top of your head Max it just doesn't exist Dax biggest playoff win I don't know he's got always got bailed out today though I mean it was fourth and one the Texans had were able to win the game and it was a broken play on fourth and one it looked like it was an option.
Jeff Driscoll ran the wrong way. They kept going Jeff Driscoll and...
That was a horrible pick that day. It was a horrible pick.
He's got one playoff win, and it was against Seattle. Okay, so yeah.
So there it is. Yeah, it was 2019.
So that's probably why. That's definitely why, because he hasn't won the playoffs.
Right. So it's like win one big and in the playoffs start believing but the sleeves are also definitely a thing oh the sleeves are too much yeah too much very baggy for if you're Dak Prescott's a big dude yeah you should not be wearing baggy sleeves all right so this will be a I mean the Cowboys are the Cowboys the Cowboys absolutely have a team that can go to the Super Bowl yeah right I Right? I would say so.
Their defense, when it's playing well, is as good as any defense. Dak is good.
Trayvon Diggs had that sick interception today. They do it all.
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We have the Chiefs, 34. Broncos, 28.
This was going to be a clowning. It was 27 to nothing.
And then the Broncos somehow woke up. Yeah.
And then Russell Wilson got concussed. But they woke up.
That was the best quarter of football that I think the Broncos have played all season. All season.
Jerry Judy was awesome. They were just going up and down the field.
It looked like what it should have looked like all year. And, yeah, it was a weird game because it really was.
Like 27-0, you expected the Broncos just to roll over and die. Russ throws a pick six, and it turned out to be a fun game.
And then we had Brett Rippon come in, throw a touchdown pass on fourth down. But, yeah, the Broncos, I still can't believe Patrick Mahomes never lost an AFC West road game.
He also is 10-0 against the Broncos. I would commit several felonies to have Patrick Mahomes as my quarterback.
I was thinking about that. If you could reverse time and go back and make a deal with the devil to be like you get Patrick Mahomes for 12 years.
No, you have a sore throat. Don't talk.
12 years of your life. Save your throat.
Don't talk. I know what you're going to say.
Don't talk. I think I would steal a car.
I would commit wire fraud. I would actually steal candy from a baby to get Patrick Mahomes as my quarterback.
To be a Chiefs fan, I bet you that Chiefs fans, the life expectancy rate in Kansas City has increased because the entire happiness of the city is so much better knowing that Patrick Mahomes has been and will continue to be your quarterback for 15 years.

It's crazy.

I do a weekly hit with Waddle and Sylvie in Chicago,

and they asked me, I think it was like maybe a year or two ago,

how many toes?

Six.

Yeah.

Three and three.

Yeah.

Three on one foot, three on the other.

Easily.

Six toes I'd give up for Patrick Mahomes.

I think I would commit any crime short of manslaughter.

That throw that he made to Jerick McKinnon was so stupid and so like his improvisation skills. Billy Housen, by the way.
What? Jerick McKinnon. Oh, yeah, he does.
I thought you said Patrick Mahomes. He has Zach Wilson, too.
Yeah, but he has Derek McKinnon. But, yeah.
And Patrick Mahomes actually kind of was bad at points today at three interceptions.

Yeah.

That one where they could have just kicked a field goal to basically end the game was very bad.

It was like quadruple coverage.

But, yeah, he is – what were you going to say, Hank?

I was just wondering if you guys saw the story like a week or two ago

about how the Chiefs ended up – why they chose Patrick Mahomes.

Yeah, we did.

Why don't you rest your throat and keep eating candy, you fat fuck? It's a cough drop that you gave me. Oh, yeah.
You're not eating candy, too? I have a couple of pieces. Yeah, yeah.
You got some pieces. But this is a cough drop.
Yeah. Yeah, I saw the story.
Your throat hurts. I thought you said you weren't talking.
You're right. You're right.
I would do so many things to get Patrick Mahomes as my... Just like your whole life would be better.
All right, now I think you're trolling me, too. I don't know what you're talking about.
I think you're trolling me, too. I don't like this.
I don't like how this is turning. It would make my life so much better.
All right, now we get it. We get it.
We get it. We get it.
Let's move on. And you got to see the good side of Patrick Mahomes and the bad side, but the good side of Patrick Mahomes, he can fuck around all over.
He can throw three interceptions, and he's still going to win 90% of every game that he plays in. It's absolutely ridiculous.
It's got to suck so bad to be a Broncos fan to be like your franchise is a very good franchise. Like there was a stretch there where I think, I think they might be one of the only teams in the NFL who've never had the first pick in the draft because they've always been just consistently good.
Like they didn't multiple losing seasons in a row for many years there well they got john elway yeah no but that wasn't the first pick wasn't the first i know that he didn't want to he like forced his way into denver in draft let's find this let's see no you're right you're right though they're never bad enough to be like

yeah they've but now noteworthily now they have a guy in their division who just owns them owns their life and he's young and he's never going anywhere yeah he's never going anywhere and you're just gonna have to deal with it like there's nothing you can do about it he is going to just own your life. I'm looking right now.
Yeah, I do not believe they ever had the first pick. I think there was a list of it because it was like the Jaguars recently were one of the franchises.
I think the Seahawks might be the other franchise. A little fun trivia for everyone out there.
Jay, can you fact check that for me? I'm looking at all first overall picks. I command F Denver and I don't see anything.
And what about the Seahawks? I think they're the other franchise. Either way, the point is...
I don't see anything either. Yeah, the Broncos are a very good team or franchise and Patrick Mahomes is their daddy.
So technically, yes, John Elway, but it was the Colts pick, right? It was the Baltimore Colts. They had the first pick that year.
So technically wasn't the... They – They'd never drafted first.
Right. John Elway was like, I don't want to play for the Colts.
He did the whole Eli Manning thing that he did to the Chargers. They've never had the first pick in the draft, which is kind of crazy to think about.
That means that you just never have bottomed out. And now Patrick Mahomes is 10-0 versus the Broncos.
Also, fun fact, because I was looking it up, we talked about Tom Brady being 10-0 against the Falcons. John Elway is 10-0 against the Patriots.
The other one, other quarterback, trivia, other quarterback who is undefeated against a team with more than 10 wins. Can you name it? This one shocked me.
Is it active? it active no undefeated against another team with

10 wins 10 and 0 or more he's 11 and 0 against this team jared no true breeze andrew luck never

lost the titans oh that's kind of fun yeah that's fun 11 and 0 that's andrew luck never lost also

that article that came out about andrew luck didn't i didn't really learn anything new about

Andrew Luck. It was like, oh, he's trying to

and That's kind of fun. Yeah, that's fun.
11-0. Andrew Luck never lost the Titans.
Also, that article that came out about Andrew Luck, I didn't really learn anything new about Andrew Luck. It was like, oh, he's trying to enjoy fly fishing now.
Andrew Luck, come on this podcast. We will treat you very well, and it will be an incredible interview.
Yeah, I'd like to do a deep dive. We'll even read one of your books.
We'll read one of your books. We'll have fun.
We won't ask too many questions that, you know, we'll just be like, we'll have fun. If you want to bring Sam- We won't ask too many questions that you know we'll just be like we'll have fun if you want to bring we won't ask too many questions you can bring sam with you and then just have him beat us up if you ask any questions it will be actually very fun that you don't like andrew luck uh this is yes the the last quarterback to beat last broncos quarterback to beat the chiefs peyton manning uh the chiefs now have eight straight seasons with 10 or more wins.
That's the fourth longest streak in NFL history. That's crazy.
So Andy Reid is the third coach that has eight straight 10-win seasons. The other two, you know who the other two are? So Andy Reid has eight straight 10-win seasons.
Belichick. George Seifert has eight straight from 1989 to 1996.
The other coach, Belichick, had 17 straight 10 win seasons. Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ. And let's say this about the Chiefs.
I am a little worried about their defense because we just said the Broncos. The stat hole gave me a stat that shocked me.
Through week 14, the 0-16 Browns had 197 points. These Broncos, they scored 28 points today, by the way.
They have 194 points. That's crazy.
They needed 28 points to get that close. That's how bad their offense has been.
I mean, for a while, we talked about this a couple weeks ago with Russell Wilson. At what point do you actually bench him? I called for it today.
Nathaniel Hackett has run out of tricks that he can pull to keep that locker room together. I think the locker room tends to like Nathaniel Hackett, but I don't know if they actually believe in him.
It's just that when the choice is, like, do you side with Nathaniel Hackett or Russell Wilson, people are going to be like, yeah, I'm going to go with a human being, Nathaniel Hackett on this one. But we were talking a couple weeks ago, like, should he bench Russell Wilson? And today it was like, he played so bad at the start of this game.
You could have legitimately made the argument like, sit his ass down. It's also so sad watching the Broncos because they also like, I've never seen a team give up on third downs more, where they'll be third and 10 or third and 12 or whatever and Russell Wilson won't be able to find anyone and he'll just run out of bounds for four yards yeah and be like what are we gonna do yeah I can't let's just punt it want to be magic out there yeah let's go Russell Wilson also he like hates running and he ran effectively today he did get his head driven into the turf oh my god he got and that got very concussed.
He was super concussed. I also noted...
Jets fans were making fun of him. It was bad.
Yeah, they were. I also noted that there was a lot of his teammates that, like, dapped him up on the way off the field.
Yep. Just a verbal check to make sure, do his teammates care that he got concussed.
They did. Well, at the end of the day, like, we're all human beings here.
Yeah. And they did not want to see him have a debilitating brain injury i would like to see though maybe if we could get like uh some maybe some stickers on the back of helmets uh for the broncos to see who went to his party and not see if there was a crossover like yeah whether it was there anyone who didn't go to his party that was dapping him up that would be interesting i would imagine that his offense was the ones that went to his birthday party.
His defense were probably like, you know, fuck you. Yeah.
But yeah, he got very concussed. That was scary.
It was. He was okay afterwards after he came to for a little bit.
He had one of those hematomas on his head. Yeah.
And he also had just so much turf in his helmet. Yeah.
It was like the nano bubble that was from like a burst blood vessel. But he was on the sidelines for the rest of the game so i guess he was like it wasn't an immediate like severe health concern yeah um it'd be interesting if he came back and you know how like sometimes people have a stroke and they're able to like play the piano all of a sudden like what if russell wilson after this concussion was just cool yeah and everybody liked him he spoke spanish yeah yeah senior unlimited yeah yeah broncos country i don't know how to say si se puede yeah there we go and everyone's like yeah Fuck yeah, Ross.
You're the man. Yeah.
Yeah. Señor Unlimited.
Yeah. Yeah.
Broncos country. I don't know how to say this.
Si se puede. Yeah.
There we go. And everyone's like, yeah, fuck yeah, Russ, you're the man.
Yeah. Like, what if he was actually like a good dude? Like, just down to chill all the time.
Who knows? Had poker night at his house. Yeah.
Hung with the boys. He's played well.
My advice to Russell Wilson would be like, you should change your entire personality right now. This is the chance that you have to do like a hard reset on your entire new guy and just like go back laugh at all the shit that you used to be like oh man i was a dork i can't believe i did yeah wait i said broncos country let's ride yeah who would do that even if you don't actually have a personality change you should act like you just got born again and you're a brand new person who's cool now yeah you're like That was Russell.
I'm Rusty. Yeah.
Rusty. Rusty Wilson.
Rusty Wilson is good. Dude, I would hang out with Rusty.
Yeah. Go for a ride in his pickup truck.
Rusty Wilson is a guy I would play for. Yeah.
Yeah. Free advice, Russell.
All right, so Chiefs defense, I'm a little – you're suspect. But that's every year.
Yeah. Every year the Chiefs defense is like, hey, you're suspect.
But then they're just like hey maybe chris jones will just wreck everyone's shit and the playoffs will be good yeah and also they can be suspect as long as they have patrick mahomes correct who's going to go out there and just drill everybody correct oh uh again like i would i would probably now i'm talking myself and i would probably kill somebody yeah to get patrick kill multiple people yeah uh just to be like every sunday like oh pat Patrick your life is so much better so much better so much better they know it too yeah the Chiefs fans know it I I've tweeted that before and they they they know it they've suffered through a lot of bad quarterbacks and they're like we know how good this is um Panthers 30 Seahawks 24 I mean the turf the dog like I I love I I think the Panthers might make the playoffs I think the Seahawks didn't really love turf the dog that much I don't know because I the pant I'm do I still have another coach of the year yeah Steve Wilkes yeah I mean he gets my interim coach of the year excuse me interim coach he the Panthers I don't think people realize it because the NFC South is so bad and we spent a lot of energy talking about the Falcons, rightfully so, at the beginning of the year. The Panthers might make the playoffs.
Yeah, so I ran the scenario last Monday while that abomination of a game between the Saints and the Bucs was going on. I went through the entire playoff machine.
There's a scenario where every team in the NFC South finishes at 6-11, and the Panthers make the playoffs at 6-11. That is what I'm rooting for.
That is absolutely what I'm rooting for. That would be awesome.
I just want people to realize the Panthers might make the playoffs because next week the Bucs play the Bengals, which I would assume, whose line is it anyway, Bucs versus Bengals. I think it's at home.
It's Tampa at home. So I'm going to say Bengals minus three? No, one and a half, three and a half.
Wow. And then we have Panthers at home against the Steelers.
That must be Panthers minus two and a half? Two. So you have a Panthers game where they're favored versus Buc underdog obviously that's not how it works but let's just say both favorites win they're tied yeah they're both six and eight they're tied and the panthers beat the bucks earlier this year they play again week 17 if they beat them like the panthers might make the playoffs that would be matt rule like does ne Nebraska fire Matt Rule right away? They hire Steve Wilkes, I think.
Yeah, I think so. I think what happens is like.
Wait, your former team made the playoffs? Steve Wilkes, I think, has earned the head coaching job. I think what he's done.
Charlotte native, which is hard to come by. You keep him around.
This should be his job. If he doesn't get the job, get him on plane to lincoln and immediately fire matt rule and bring steve wilkes in there i told you the panthers are my bounce back team next year i might have been a little too late on them yeah it might be the bounce back team this year yeah so uh weird little stat here the seahawks are seven and two against every team that's not in the abysmal nfc south they're oh and four against the nfc south oh so that's just their kryptonite they can't play against shitty teams they can't play and it's so bad the panthers it's week 14 that was their first road win every other team in the nfl had had a road win so far they finally got a road win uh and they i mean they dominated them they they ran the ball down their throat they they absolutely punished him 223 yards.
Sam Darnold looked, like, decent. He looked pretty good.
And the Seahawks, without Kenneth Walker, like, Geno was kind of running for his life. A couple picks that hurt them, put them in that hole.
Yeah, Geno didn't look great today. Yeah, they don't.
I mean, the turf the dog. You told me turf the dog, and I was like, I love the Panthers.
I love the Panthers. It was a fact.
The only person that was playing for turf out there was DK, and that was apparent. I texted him before the game.
I was like, you're going to get a touchdown for turf the dog. He wrote me back.
He said, yeah, no doubt I love that dog. Played hard for him.
But everybody else just – It was like it didn't even matter to them. And their captain went out there at the start of the game.
They had the 12-man flag that they carry out onto the field. They put Turf's collar around the flag and took him out onto the field.
This is something. You can't lose a dead dog game.
You can't lose a dead dog game. You can't lose a dead dog game.
Absolutely not. You cannot.
His death is in vain now. It is.
It actually is like it's now sad because you lost your dead dog game. It's tough.
That is – and you should know that going in. When you honor a dead dog for a game, you better win it.
The team's got no heart. Fuck.
I'm out on the Seahawks after this. Yeah, well, they're – You know what? This is the curse of turf.
I'm telling you, like, they're not going to make the playoffs because they lost the dead dog game. It does feel like they're running out.
They have lost three of four. The one win being that Rams game last week where they came back in the last seconds to win the game.
And now they play the 49ers on Thursday Night Football. And if they lose this, it's like, uh-oh.
It's kind of... They're fading at the wrong time.
It's like, let the Lions be in. Lions have the head head to head.
So that's big. Yeah.
Lions have the head to head, but yeah, I watch out for the Panthers. Watch out for the Panthers.
The defense is really good. It's funny watching Sam Donald run because you know how we were talking to, I think it was like last year where the announcers, when they're struggling to find something positive to say about Derek Carr, they're like, look what tremendous balance he runs with when he's running with football.
Sam Darnold has the opposite of that. Absolutely.
Sam Darnold's like teetering to either side with every single step that he takes. Yeah.
And he's got that big head that's just like bouncing off each shoulder as he runs. He's also, when he's running, he had a long run today.
He always has a feel when he starts to run where he's like, am I doing this? Am I doing this? And he'll be like 20 yards down the field. He's like, wait, I am doing this.
I can do this. Like a boy can fly.
Like I'm doing it. Yeah.
Yeah. He doesn't trust himself as a runner.
He does not at all. But he's like shockingly effective because I think he's deceptively slow as a runner.
Yes. Yeah.
He's slower than he looks. Yeah.
People are like trying to tackle in front of him and missing because they're like, wait, you're supposed to be fast. Yeah, it's like a knuckleball.
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Brock Purdy, baby. Brock, baby.
Brock Purdy. It's Brocktober.
They fucking dominated the Bucs. The Bucs are a sad sack of a football team.
Their offense is so bad. It's just, and the Niners just jumped all over them.
Brock Purdy looked awesome. Brock Purdy also, in the second quarter alone, alone, just the second quarter, had more deep outside passes, outside the numbers, two, than Jimmy G has had in the last three years combined.
Yep. Yeah, dude, he slings it.
Pushing the ball. Brock slings it.
And they showed that graphic at the start of the game, comparing Brock Purdy coming out in the draft to Tom Brady when he came out in the draft and had all their weaknesses and where they went in the draft. And it was meant to compare, which I thought was fairly disrespectful to Brock Purdy because he is way better than Tom Brady right now.
Tom Brady stinks right now. Be honest with you.
If you were to take one quarterback right now for the rest of the season, if you were putting together like a stretch run, would you rather have Brock Purdy or Tom Brady right now? I don't think Tom Brady is having any fun. I also just want to say right now it's way too early to be doing the what team is Tom Brady going to play for next year.
It's dominating the conversation.

Hank, are you getting nervous?

Because there's been a lot of talk about the Niners.

I heard the Jets rumors today.

No?

No.

Jets rumors?

What was the other team?

The Patriots.

Yeah, but then there was another team, too.

It was the Niners.

It's the Patriots or no one.

The Bucs.

Oh, it's the Patriots or no one.

Okay.

All right.

His arm's still strong.

It's just his offensive line.

Thank you. It was the Niners.
It's the Patriots or no one. Bucs.
Oh, it's the Patriots or no one.

Okay.

All right.

His arm's still strong.

It's just his offensive line is garbage.

Remember, there was the talk of him going to the Raiders because Josh McDaniels.

That whole connection out there.

Actually, if I'm Tom Brady, I'm newly single.

Vegas, baby.

Why not with the Panthers?

Vegas.

You think he wants to move to Charlotte? I don't know. He big banking guy what were you going to say Billy in quarterback's first starts against Brady they were 0-6 until today with Brock Purdy yes God's first win I think Brock Purdy there's only six quarterbacks starting their first game ever yeah it's Brock Purdy's first career start and also the craziest stat was the fact that this was only the second time that Tom Brady's ever played in San Francisco.
That made no sense to me. I think it was the perfect lineup of his ACL year and also maybe his suspension.
Whatever it was, the fact that he's only played twice in San Francisco is wild. But the craziest part is I think Brock Purdy has a better starting story than Brady ever had as Mr.
Irrelevant.

So if he were to have some insane career,

it would totally wipe Tom Brady's narrative off the history book.

If Brock Purdy won seven Super Bowls,

then it would be Mr. Irrelevant.

That is the greatest underdog story ever crafted. I don't think we can call him Mr.
Irrelevant I think he's Mr. Relevant I think he made being irrelevant relevant but the whole 199 thing like not as cool as Mr.
Irrelevant not as cool as if Brock Purdy goes off Tom Brady had a great quote today he said every week you have the opportunity to kick ass or get your ass kicked. Whoa.
Obviously, we were on the wrong end today. It was a butt whooping.
It was a butt whooping. Did you see also, Jake, your favorite wild stat? Tom Brady's in his 23rd year in the NFL.
Brock Purdy's 22 years old. Wild.
He's younger than me. Yeah.
That's wild. He was born in 1999.
It's wild. Whoa.
It's wild. Brock Purdy is.

What year were you born?

His birthday is late December.

Oh, 99.

He's about to be 24.

Or 23.

He's 11 months younger than me.

Wow.

Brock Purdy is.

Could have been you, Billy.

You could have been beating Tom Brady today.

Think about that.

Oh, my God.

Wow.

Whoa.

Could have been.

Wow.

I think Brock Purdy is a legitimately good player for the Niners.

I think he fits in what they do. But then again, I feel like Kyle Shanahan could take anybody and be like, okay, you're playing any position on this team.
And he can make it work. I also watched a lot of Brock Purdy in college football.
I do think there will be a market correction of Brock Purdy coming up. What's crazy is he wasn't that great of a college quarterback.
No, no. And the fact he's playing this well at the nfl level is it's a little bit he doesn't really have any like elite skills he's not the tallest guy he doesn't have like a hose of an arm but he makes plays he's a playmaker you're you're missing out on the it factor which he has he's got a great name so uh yeah brock purdy i i i want everyone to just be okay with when the market does correct on him.
He has a bad game. We don't bail on Brock Purdy.
I'm not going to bail on him. Also, Debo carted off but ruled a high ankle sprain.
So, says like four to six weeks. The playoffs start in five weeks.
That's a godsend that they potentially could still have Debo for the playoffs yeah that to me that surpasses the Trevor Lawrence injury from last week yeah of most bionic ankle because when he got rolled up on I was like okay he's he's out forever thank god he got paid that's what I first thought yes and uh to have him back in five weeks that's as good as you could hope for on that yeah yeah and the Niners are just rolling their defense is flying um there's so they Orion's gonna get a job that was the that's the fun Schefter Rappaport like agent you know uh sends you a text that you have to tweet out saying just I woke up this morning it was like there's there's a belief that D'Amico Ryan will get a head coaching job that'll be the third year in a row that Kyle Shanahan's lost a coordinator so yeah okay yeah yeah I mean we. I mean, we, I hope he does.
He's a very good defensive coordinator. But why are we talking about it right now? That's what Adam Schefter woke up thinking about today.
He was just like, just by the way, there's a strong belief in the 49ers organization that he's in line to become a head coach. And yeah, he does a lot of, he does PR.
Yeah. That's what Schefter does.
That's how he gets the scoops. You got to trade favors sometimes.
By the way, we're in Schefter Christmas present watch. That's right.
Yeah, the chocolates, right? Yeah. We don't know what it could be.
It could be a tie. He better send us something.
Send a tie before, too. I'll switch over to being a rap sheet guy like that.
Wow. That's going to be – yeah, Rap Poor also had a tweet that was like Odell Beckham, who's made a lot of headlines for his free agency tour.
Like there's a belief he might not be able to play. It's like, who do you think did a lot of headlines? Yeah.
We're all trying to find the guy who did this. Jerry Jones just said today that they're not out of the Odell Beckham sweepstakes.
And he said, put an exclamation point on that. Whoa.
So you know how Jerry gets? He was probably drunk when he said it. Had a couple shots of Johnny Walker on him.
He was like, you know what? I need to. Old Jerry's got to make a headline.
Watch this. I actually think that Odell Beckham is just waiting for the Giants to not be in the playoffs.
Then be like, all right, I'm going to the Cowboys. Probably.
Why would he go to the Giants? He would be so mad i don't know yeah i don't know he would hate it did you guys see uh brady sign the football that the 49ers player intercepted whoa he went up to him post game said he's been watching since he was two years old that takes some balls to ask tom brady to do that yeah i respect after a 35 7 just thrashing sportsmanship he

really doesn't look like he's having fun no did he looks miserable did he hurt his hand today yeah he did so yeah that's bad timing and have a broken hand to have a broken right hand right after you get divorced yeah that's tough he also uh well he's got alex guerrero that's true uh he like, he was in the game with a hurt hand, 35-7. And I was thinking, like, why is he in this game? And then it's on me, like, the Bucs offense kind of needs the reps.
Yeah. They're that bad.
Like, they might need to, like, run through some shit. Yeah.
That's how bad they are. They're just a bad football team.
Mike Evans, it looks like he's aged five years in this one year. Yeah.
Leonard Fournette actually, he made some plays out there that look pretty old-school playoff Lenny-type things. But we talked about this game on Friday.
The 49ers, just on a pure team-versus team, they're so much faster. Yeah.
The Bucs are just slow, and the 49ers are fast. And that's what happened today.
And the offensive line was humming for the 49ers. Christian McCaffrey looked awesome.
Their running game is just beautiful. It's just beautiful football to watch when it's working.
You've got Kittle laying people out. You've got Jushek in motion hitting people on weird angles from blocks, blocking guys that are like 40, 50 pounds heavier than them, but hitting them at the exact right angle to take them out of the play it is actually it is it's some sexy football when that 49ers run game is working i have a question for you and we'll wrap this up and go to football guy of the week and then wrap up the show would you say it's would you put your life on the line on one of the or two of these six teams making the Super Bowl Kansas City Chiefs the Buffalo Bills Cincinnati Bengals San Francisco 49ers Philadelphia Eagles Dallas Cowboys it feels like we're at the point in the life online yep that those six teams we're gonna get our Super Bowl out of those six teams yeah I don't know what like what would be the case for, I guess the only— The Lions could get hot.
The only other team that I would make a case for is the Baltimore Ravens defense. It'd be a case for the Baltimore Ravens defense.
But I feel like the Lamar Jackson health thing is— Agreed. A running quarterback like that, if it's a knee that's only a few weeks.
He might not be 100% when he gets back in. Agreed.
I'm just saying that's the only team that could kill us. Yeah.
The Ravens, maybe. It's funny because when now, now you've got me agreeing to like put my life on the line.
I'm also, I'll match. Which is, which is also we're tossing in death to our Vikings bet.
Right. Yeah.
We're adding, we're adding not only we're going to get a tattoo and then die if the Vikings make the Super Bowl. And it's not like we're not saying anything crazy because they're not the top three seeds in both leagues, but I think those are the three teams that I close my eyes.
I'm like, yeah, I could see any one of those six teams making a run to the Super Bowl. What were they again? In the NFC, you've got the Eagles, you've got the Niners, and then you've got the Cowboys.
And then in the AFC, it's the Bengals, the Bills, and the Chiefs. That's it.
I think our Super Bowl is coming from there. I feel like if the Bucs make it, it's bringing the playoffs.
No, no, no, no, no. Have you watched the Bucs play football?

I understand, but he stinks.

No.

He's bad.

I'm not even going to say Tom Brady stinks.

The Bucs stink.

That's fine.

It's just Tom Brady.

The Bucs stink.

He deserves the respect.

But Tom Brady's on a bad football team.

And he's part of it, but he's also bad right now.

Like, Tom Brady is bad.

The offensive line is so bad, he doesn't trust any of it. What are you going to say, Hank? Hank, go ahead.
No, no, come on. Say it.
Say it. Fact or fiction, he's got more Super Bowls than all the other quarterbacks.
That's a fact. But also, he's 46 years old.
Yeah. And he was 44 when he won a Super Bowl.
Yeah, but you get old at some point. Fact.
People are not. I feel like I'm going crazy because we did the is this the last year for Tom Brady thing when he was like 38 and like 37, which is when most quarterbacks start going downhill.
He's 46. It's okay.
It's fine. Is making the playoffs good? It's a part of life.
He's getting older. Has he made the playoffs yet? No, but I think if he makes the playoffs, that's a pretty good indicator of being good.
What if he makes it at 7-10? Playoffs for the playoffs, right? Okay. Playoffs for the playoffs.
Is that a fact? Playoffs are the playoffs. That is a fact.
Playoffs is the playoffs. And then he's going to get to play probably the Cowboys, who he's never lost to in the first game.
Wow. No, no, no.
Oh, yeah, the Cowboys going to the Tampa. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cowboys would go to Tampa. Tom Brady has never lost to the Dallas Cowboys.
Now I'm starting to talk myself into Tom Brady. Fact.
Fact. And then it's like...
Fact of fiction, I've been talking to Tom Brady. They used to go to Philadelphia.
No, he'd go to Philadelphia. Well, I guess, yeah, if you have an upset.
Yeah, because the Commanders would beat the Vikings in the opening round. So now he just has to win one game on the road or one game against the Eagles.
Beats the Vikings. What a way to go.
All right, let's do Football Guy of the Week. Wait.
Hank, do you still want Tom Brady in New England? Yes, badly. Really? Yeah, I mean, why wouldn't you? Because he's not good anymore.
I don't think that he's not good. I think his offensive line is so bad that that's like the one thing that Tom Brady like he can't move like he used to have like mobility.
He doesn't have that same mobility. He doesn't have trust in his offensive line.
I think his mind and his it's not like Peyton Manning. You know what I mean? Sure, he like Peyton Manning's last year you get maybe one quarter out of Peyton Manning he'll throw like two good balls and then his arm is shot I don't think Tom Brady's arm is shot I think that he's trusting in his arm too much at this point where it's not as good as it was it's not shot, it's still decent but he's he's trying to make throws that you have to have, like, the perfect Tom Brady arm of old to make, and he hasn't learned how to adjust to that.
I think he also just is scared that he's going to get crumpled in half on every play. That's probably true also, but I don't know.
I've been watching a lot of Tom Brady recently, and he just doesn't look good. He's not wearing a glove, though, like talking about Peyton.
Like, his body is still much better put together. Yes.
No, Peyton was shot. He's like not throwing like those ducks.
His body was shot. Those ducks.
Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
His arm strength is still there. Do you think he was using Giselle for the HGH connection like Peyton Manning was using his wife? Do you think that his arm troubles are because he's having to use it more since he's been divorced? It's worth asking the question.
Yeah, it is. All right, Football Guys of the Week.
So congratulations to reoccurring guest Max Duggan for winning Football Guy of the Week. Didn't win the Heisman.
Did he finish second? In Heisman? He did, okay, yeah. Yeah.
He's our Heisman until Caleb Williams comes on the show. So he won something this week.
Yeah, shout still playing Caleb isn't I bet you Caleb would give up that Heisman Probably not Definitely not Our first nominee this week is But definitely not Our first nominee for this week is Baker Mayfield Baker Mayfield had the game winning drive And then he once again used a move that he used a couple weeks ago, which is headbutting guys on the sideline without a helmet on. Yeah, but we think that he might have padding.
Underneath. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. We taped.
Yeah, my theory is that he's got padding underneath his little headband. Yeah, so that's why he's doing it.
I think he's got two headbands that he wears. Same principle.
Our second nominee is Tom Brady. We talked about this quote earlier.
Every week you have the opportunity to kick ass or get your ass kicked. Obviously, we're on the wrong end today.
Just a great football guy quote. Yep.
I mean, it's a good quote. I don't know if I'd put him in football guy of the week.
It was a little slim pickings this week. Congratulations for getting your asshole blown out by the 49ers.
I definitely sent you a text with one. Our third is Cody Motch.
This guy lost his two front teeth his sophomore year of college around, and he hasn't gotten replaced. He's a number one draft pick coming up offensive tackle from north dakota state university uh you guys gotta see these pictures the evolution of it um also shout out mike leach who's in the office always was a football guy in the hospital uh what is it you said in the office yeah he's in the hospital it's okay uh always I hope he's featured very scary yeah yeah but take take a look at this match guy basically he there's this evolution of a freshman tight end who's 6'4 and 234 pounds who's evolved into this offense this 6'6 offensive tackle who's over 300 pounds has a total transformation no teeth super long, huge beard.
He looks awesome. He looks like a Game of Thrones or like the guy from Braveheart, his best friend from Braveheart that he started off throwing rocks at each other for games.
I sent you one, Billy, a throwback. It's a picture of a guy in a white tuxedo football coach, and the story is this coach, Fred Carter Jr.
He was the defensive coordinator for Mansfield, the 1991 AAA state champions, and later on became the head coach. But for this particular season, he promised his top-ranked defense.
If they made it to the state championship, he would wear a tuxedo. They put together a one-loss season, arrived in New Orleans for the state championship game.
Being the stand-up guy that he was, he wore the white tuxedo. Unfortunately, they went down 29-6 at halftime.
And in the locker room at halftime, he ripped off his tuxedo. And they ended up winning the game 36-29.
Shut him out in the second half. Nice.
Big-time football guy. Big-time football guy.
All right, so go vote for it. Yeah, and our last guy is this high school football coach who said, to those who text and DM me with your critical evaluations on my decisions for the program which I was put in place to lead, you will not get a response.
However, the address to Seertown High School is 167 Franklin Drive. This guy basically gave everyone his address in order to say, if you have something to say, come basically fight me in my office.
I like it. I like it.
Come talk to me about it. Yeah.
Those are our football guys of the week. Nice.
Takes in. We can vote on it.
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Okay, who's back of the week?

Hank.

I'm not going to couple.

All right.

It not coming home.

Yeah, that is back.

Yeah, big time back.

England lost.

Yeah.

The lads.

Ronaldo also lost. Harry Kane.

Harry Kane.

Oh, what was that?

Ronaldo lost?

Did you see the cry-ception picture?

That was awesome.

Did Ronaldo really even lose?

Because he didn't really play.

He came in.

He came in, but kind of.

Imagine losing to Morocco.

Yikes.

Not my Messi.

He'll have a chance to finish what Ronaldo couldn't do.

Morocco is going for the entire Iberian Peninsula sweep.

They've beaten Spain, Portugal.

They're going for France next.

No, are they playing?

the chance to finish what Ronaldo couldn't do. Morocco's going for the entire Iberian Peninsula sweep.
They've beaten Spain, Portugal. They're going for France next.
No, are they playing? The Moors. It's like the Moors.
Oh, they're playing France. Yes, the Moor invasion all over again.
Argentina plays Croatia. They play Croatia, yeah, which is European Chile.
They just steal all the coastline from you. You guys know I'm a huge soccer guy, but I was thinking that PKs are the dumbest thing of all time to decide a World Cup match.
Oh, you're one of those guys now? But you should make them if you do get an opportunity to shoot a PK. No, no, no.
You should probably put it on frame. The Henry Kane one, that's an in-game PK.
Much different. That ball still hasn't landed yet.
They've got to just put the net at half court and do it that way. Okay.
Every 30 minutes, bring the net closer. Well, I was saying that they should do it so every five minutes in extra time you take a player off.
So then it ends up being like one versus one. I like the idea of just making the field tiny.
Yeah. That's not a bad idea.
The wall's coming in. Yeah, like 160th minute, you're playing like 30 feet.
Yeah, I like that. Okay.
But yeah, Harry Kane with an all-time bad penalty. Really bad.
There's an all-time. Granted, that's six yards too far for his range.
Yes. All-time, all-time, all-time reaction video from a British crowd of them watching that.
It's all-time sound of just disappointment, anger. Everyone dies, falls down.
I'm sure they'll handle it well. They're used to it.
It's fantastic. And also Avatar's back.
What's worse, losing a dead dog game or losing a dead queen World Cup? Dead dog. Probably dead dog, yeah.
That's it. Okay.
PFT or who's back? My who's back of the week is Alexander Ovechkin empty netters and the controversy that goes along with him. So Ovi now has 797 career goals.

That's three goals shy of 800, obviously.

Five goals shy of passing Gordie Howe for second

on the all-time goal list.

But people are getting mad at Ovi

because he scores a shitload of empty net goals.

He scored a bunch last year.

I think he set the all-time record for a season last year.

I think he had like nine or ten empty netters,

and this year he's probably on pace to do that again.

Listen, maybe beat the Caps,

and then he won't have empty net opportunities.

Gordie Howe was playing against plumbers.

Exactly, yeah.

I mean, if Ovi got to play against the goalies

that Gordie Howe was playing against, he'd

have like 6,000 goals easily.

Minimum.

But yeah, Ovi's back.

It's just fun when you have a team that's not really that fun to root for, but you've

got a milestone.

Oh, it's the best.

It makes it better.

So now I'm just, I'm purely an Alex Ovechkin fan for the next like two seasons.

I like it.

Until he sets that milestone.

I like it. All right.
My who's Back is Bowl season this week. It's starting.
Best season of the year. I fucking love bowls.
Bahamas Bowl on Friday afternoon. Just like the first bowl game.
It's just something about it. It just clicks in my brain.
It's like, I'm going to watch every fucking one of these bowl games. I love the ones that sneak up on you in the afternoon.

That will happen to you for Miami of Ohio and UAB, Bahamas Bowl, 1130 on Friday.

Yeah, that one definitely sneaks up on you. Kind of sneak up on you for sure.

Bowl season is here.

We're finally in bowl week, or the start of bowl season.

And then, like, yeah, we have our Arizona Bowl, December 30th.

Get ready, Barstool TV.

Check it out.

Ohio versus Wyoming.

Parker Titsworth. Shout out.
He's getting me a jersey. Pumped.
Yeah. Billy.
So my who's back is just crazy college football fans. So apparently with the Heisman campaigns running up, someone bought a bunch of Twitter bots to tear down Stetson Bennett and sort of pump up Hendon Hooker on the run-up to the Heisman campaign.
Someone basically, you know, this was the quote that was put in a bunch of different tweeters, little bots. So Stetson Bennett isn't even the best player on his own team, maybe not even close.
Hendon Hooker transformed our entire team. And this was just, this message was just from multiple different bot counts just spammed and was found i know pft found a similar type situation with dan snyder there's a tweet i'll say it till i'm blue in the face dan snyder is doing what needs to be done in the nfl is the uh this is the year bo nicks dark horse for heisman yeah but i don't know who's like buying these bot accounts to make them spread these messages.
Who's got to gain? A little behind the scenes on this one because I read Billy's blog on it when he put it out last Thursday night, Friday morning, and I was reading the blog and as I get through maybe the second paragraph, I'm like, wait a second, Billy completely telegraphed to us what he was going to be doing with his blogs this seems like it's being written by a bot and the entire blog well you added in your own color to it but there were like five paragraphs that it was just so obvious that an artificial intelligence script wrote that blog it was a good blog i mean right it was obvious from the get-go that you had you had a robot write it for you well i mean, writing a blog about bots using a bot was a bit. Oh, it was a bit.
It was a bit, yeah. It was a deep bit.
It was a bit. Yeah.
Nice bit. It's a good bit.
Okay, Jake, wrap us up. My who's back is Patty the Batty.
Yeah. Secured a big win out in Las Vegas over Jared Gordon.
I was there. Unanimous decision.
Yeah, won it easily, he said. Unanimous.
And he was the one in the fight, so who are we going to trust? Unanimous. That means everybody agrees.
Yes, everyone on the internet agrees. It was great for our guy, Patty the Batty.
Work to be done, but a win is a win. He got a dub.
Yeah. Simple as that.
He got the dub. He got the dub.
Unanimously. Unanimous.
Unanimous. And wait, the people that score those fights, they're professional judges.
Yes. Okay.
I was sitting next to Joe Musgrove, and I did ask him if he had anything on his ears. He said no.
Okay. From the Padres.
Yeah. He was fucking man spreading all over me.
Very shiny ears. Yeah, he's a big dude.
Big fucking dude.

Okay.

Numbers.

17.

Parker Titsworth.

81.

Bethel Johnson.

Have you ever gotten this, Hank? No.

I can't hear your voices.

Have you gotten it?

Can you give me a number, please?

81.

No, can you give me a number?

18.

No.

I want a number. Sebastian.
Just give me a number. 17.
No, 17 PFT guys. Give me a real number.
Come on. Sebastian has 45.
Hank, give me a number. Five.
What? Five. Five? Your voice sounds so bad.
I'll take five. Thank you, Hank.
I wanted a number. Max?

20.

Also, watch the behind-the-scenes of the Patty fight Thursday. Oh, yes.
PMTV. Max is with me.
You ready? 81, you said? 81. You're never going to get this.
Remember, we have back-to-back. So many people ask me if Hank ever got it.
Oh, so close.

That's really close.

84.

Damn.

Sorry, Hank.

84.

Sorry, Hank.

You were so close.

That's the closest you've ever been.

Now tied for second.

Not tied.

It's by itself in second place.

What is?

84.

Wow.

Hank, that's right there.

We have three numbers at nine.

This is now at eight.

Hank.

Thank you. Not tied.
It's by itself in second place. What is? 84.
Wow. That's right there.
We have three numbers at nine. This is now at eight.
Hank. Hank, what number did you take? 81.
He was so close. He was three off.
This one doesn't count. I just want to see if.
This doesn't count. I'm so pissed.
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