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Today is Wednesday,ober 19th and the broncos have somehow gone from bad to worse monday night football i actually i'm gonna say this and i know this people will be like oh you're just saying this to be opposite i enjoy having the broncos on prime time football because every time it's a story it's bad bad football, but you see something new every time, and it's a weird story. And we had an overtime last night that was tied 16-16, that had 16 plays for 16 yards, no first downs, and the Chargers win off of a muffed punt, never getting a first down in overtime, and the Broncos are as rock bottom as it gets.
So there's the old Kevin Clark tweet in front of the program about the Seahawks. Like the Seahawks have never played a normal game.
The problem wasn't the Seahawks. The problem was Russell Wilson.
It follows him wherever he goes. And he always plays hilarious brands of football.
You see, like you said, like brand new shit that you haven't seen at all. So I tuned in.
I was able to catch the fourth quarter in overtime yesterday. So I'm remote right now dealing with some real life, like family, personal stuff.
But I was able to tune in for the fourth quarter. I was following along on my phone.
I was so confused because in the first half, I was like, Russell Wilson, holy shit, he's back. He's fixed everything.
In the first half, just lighting it up. And then he went backwards somehow in the second half.
I think they had like negative 13 yards cumulative passing in the second half for Russell Wilson. So they stopped doing everything that was working.
I was very confused watching it. And then as it goes into overtime, I'm like, what's wrong with Dustin Hopkins? Their kicker can't kick he's got one leg russell wilson is going out there and just they're he's not able to pass the ball physically i don't think he was hurt i think his brain is hurt at this point i think that there's when people say like is there something wrong with russell wilson i think yes there is i think mentally he's a broken man well he is he is hurt he is hurt because we're now getting the full court press from Russell Wilson's PR team through NFL reporters because we had the report from Tom Pelissero that was, this was the concern pending test today.
Russell Wilson plays through pretty much everything, but his health will be worth monitoring again on a short week leading up to Sunday's game. And then Ian Rappaport quote tweeted it and said, after the MRI, Russell Wilson is considered day-to-day, source said.
It's a real injury and he's in real pain, but he's pushing to play. That was one of those reports that came directly from an agent.
It's a real injury and he's in real pain. Just so that all know russell wilson playing so shitty that everyone is regretting the 250 million dollar contract he got you got to know that he's in real pain and it's a real injury and he will play through it and my real girlfriend lives in canada and she's a real model it's it's it was so funny seeing that tweet being like well that well, that's very predictable.
And, um, yeah, the game was PFT. The game was insane.
It was insane on both sides because you not only had Russell Wilson who came out and looked good for the first, I don't know, quarter and a half through a touchdown pass, like kind of looked like old Russell Wilson scrambling around a little, but then it just devolved into that. Neither team to do anything.
You had Justin Herbert throw for 57 attempts for 238 yards and no touchdowns. He basically, like the Broncos defense is very good, and so it was Justin Herbert's throwing dump downs, check downs, and then Russell Wilson not being able to do anything and like multiple times having blitzes come that no one blocked and he would just get absolutely smushed and uh the overtime like I said I know that this is going to be people are going to be like you're trying to go against the grain but if you watch that game it was so stupid and it was so similar to the Colts game Broncos Colts it was so stupid and it became so hilariously bad that it's interesting I'd rather have have a high-scoring game.
I'd rather have Derek Carr versus Patrick Mahomes all day. But there's something about a Broncos primetime game that is fascinating to watch because it's just a car crash for 60 minutes plus last night.
Nathaniel Hackett doing dumb shit. Russell Wilson not being able to figure it out.
And their defense being elite. And it all just winds up as the Broncos 2-4.
Do the Broncos ever practice blitz pickups? Because from what I saw in the fourth quarter in overtime, they were rushing guys up the middle the entire time. What's his name? Drew Tranquil was just not being touched.
They just weren't touching him. And then Russell Wilson would drop back and immediately get sacked.
It's like, okay, maybe put somebody back there to chip. Maybe put an extra tight end in.

Maybe do something, anything different on offense to try to pick up this blitz

because it seemed like they weren't even trying at that point.

It seemed like Nathaniel Hackett was pissed off at Russell Wilson.

It was like, okay, you're really hurt?

Okay, I'm going to put you in real pain then.

I'm just going to get your ass kicked

for the entire fourth quarter in overtime.

It was very bizarre seeing that.

You compare Nathaniel Hackett to what's going on with the New York Giants and all the small things that we keep talking about. That's the type of thing, like figuring out how to pick up blitzes and how to make adjustments over the course of a game.
Nathaniel Hackett might be an offensive guru, and I like Nathaniel Hackett. I want to have him back on the show.
Nice guy nice guy i i want to root for him his son thinks blake portals has a huge penis great family but you also have to be like wait this is something that you're just not prepared for at all just because you're a good offensive coordinator doesn't mean you know how to do all this stuff um there was another part in overtime uh i think we might have seen the best catch that never counted mike williams that mike williams diving catch on the sideline i i could not believe that he hauled that in and i think he might have touched his toe down and and they only showed it like once but i bet i think if they had like the nbc at angle or whatever it is for for espn where they zoom in i think his left foot touched the and it's tough to say like if your foot touches like a blade of that fake grass does that count or does it have to hit like the uh the rubber pellets for it to count because i think he grazed the grass and the the craziest part about that catch wasn't even the catch it's the fact that um that's how good pat sertan is that mike williams didn't do anything last night because patertan just locked him down, that Mike Williams had to make maybe the best catch of his career that didn't count to even have a chance to make an impact. I think I saw a stat that Pat Sertan's given up 150 yards this season as a primary defender.
He just completely locks down a side of the field. And that Broncos defense, the other thing we had, and I know we pick on Russell Wilson, but it has been a big storyline in this NFL season, especially because they've been playing on primetime so much.
But at halftime, they showed the entire Broncos team going to the locker room. And Russell Wilson was standing outside the locker room, essentially making everyone high-five him.
and the body language was not great. It was not great, and it feels like with the way the Broncos defense is playing, there have to be some pretty pissed-off dudes in that locker room that are like, how do we not win these games when we hold down Justin Herbert? He has to throw 57 times to get 200 yards.
Like when we make Matt Ryan look like he should retire and we keep losing these games because Russell Wilson can't make the plays that he was paid to come to Denver and make. Yeah, I think he just makes everybody around him uneasy.
Everybody's got a friend like that in their life or like an acquaintance, somebody that maybe you're in a class with that just bad vibes. And Russell Wilson is a freak athlete so he he kind of skates by a lot of that stuff but if like Russell Wilson if his brain was born into Michael Cera's body he would be writing a manifesto somewhere he would be like completely shunned and he would not have any friends it's crazy and it feels like it's um I mean I guess now that we we can do the injury thing, like I – Dion actually called this last week.
He's like, Russell Wilson will definitely say that he has an injury if he plays bad, and it does feel like this is a situation where Russell Wilson could, if it keeps going bad, be like, I'm out for the year and just do a fresh start. And I actually wouldn't blame him because a fresh start is almost what this team needs because it's – the vibes have been so bad and the game's been so bad.
And you even think about the games they won because they've won two games. They beat the Texans and that was closer than it should have been.
And then remember they beat the Niners because Jimmy Garoppolo, Dan Orlovsky himself. So it's not just like the losses are bad.
The wins haven't been – like they haven't had one good game of football

through six weeks.

And we also are now getting the old-fashioned – it happens every year

where everyone complains about the NFL product.

For the first time, I kind of see it not because the games are so bad.

I just don't think there's more than three or four really good teams.

Like when you think about the really good teams, the Bills and the Eagles have played really good football, the Chiefs, the Giants and Jets you could throw in there, but like everyone else has – all the other teams that are supposed to be in that elite category have had some real stinker of games and some of them on primetime and it makes you think like, whoa, does everyone suck? I think a lot of it is that defenses are really good now. Just because it's not like a shitload of high-scoring games doesn't necessarily mean that it's bad football.
It's all depending on the perspective that you look at it from. We've been conditioned over the last 10 years to be shootouts, shootouts, shootouts.
That's where we're going for all the rule changes. Football,, all the innovation football has come on, like, the spread side of the game, just trying to figure out ways to really exploit the passing game.
And now we've got some really good defenses. I think, like, the Broncos defense is awesome.
They're very, very, very good. They're like Super Bowl-quality defense.
No, you're right. And it's also, you know, I mean, there's been a lot written about it that a lot of teams are going more into cover too and basically keeping everything in front of them and saying hey we're not gonna let explosive plays beat us so you don't see these like you know red zone holy shit 80 yard touchdowns as much um but it does it does feel like i mean and i guess this it's i know people are like oh it's more positions than just quarterback.
But the quarterback is the most important position in all of American sports.

And when quarterbacks like Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers,

you can go down the list of guys that have struggled a little bit,

Russell Wilson, guys that are supposed to be elite,

Kyler Murray, Matthew Stafford, that affects the play.

Where they aren't playing their best football,

the games don't look as good. Yeah, I thought I was ruined for a second for a tie last night in overtime.
Oh, big time. That game had tie energy.
We got gypped out of a tie. I don't know if I can say the G word anymore.
No, you can't. We got screwed out of a tie against the Colts when it was the Colts and the Broncos.
This felt like it had a tie, and it got ruined. No one got a first down.
No one got a first down. That's such a smart play.
Why don't teams do that more on punts? It's just block the other guy into the guy that's got to catch the ball. It's so smart.
No one got a first down. It was crazy.
Watching Dustin Hopkins fall over, he got his leg blown off with a grenade three times in a row. It was all game.
It was awesome. It was all game.
He had the on he was like they kept on showing him i've never seen a kicker poured on more that they were injured and like he would just fall down it was he wasn't getting hit he would just kick and then just fall down yeah and then like slowly get up well he would scream on his way down too yeah then put the wrap on and everyone be like damn dustin hopkins really gutting it out they uh they put him on his shoulders after the last kick for a second. I was like, what's going on right now? Why are we doing that? I guess that's the only time Dustin Hopkins will ever have that treatment.
And to be fair, for the Chargers, that franchise, they're not really known for having heroic kickers at any given point. So that to them was like that's as good as it's going to get.
But yeah, I am curious to see what billy has to say too about really why is offensive football so offensive this year no because just as we were saying that cover two everyone's playing the real evolution in the defense is the linebackers they're more athletic they're built to stop the rushing quarterback and with that you're seeing teams that stack it up and take advantage of these lighter guys The age of the hole plugger, like a Ray Lewis, Erlacher, he used to just hit the hole. That sort of was phased out with these new agile quarterbacks and different spread offenses.
But now you're seeing guys. Oh, no, no cut out.
Right. That was a good point.
Billy is actually the internet did Billy a favor because he was, he was on a real hot streak right there. So good job, internet, cutting Billy off.

So far, you made great points.

Yeah, that was great points.

But you know what I'm saying?

Like when you actually, like even Lamar has had a bad moment.

What happens?

And like, yeah, you cut out.

But it was a great point up until you cut out.

You were dead right.

Yeah.

It's actually you should have more points cut out because it cuts you off right before you could say something that will then incriminate yourself. So it was like it was the perfect Billy point.
But I also what I want to what I wanted to say was even though it's been bad through six weeks, this does happen every year where September looks sloppy and then good teams start playing better and the bad teams start to fade and you get like this equal, like everything levels off and we get good football down the stretch. So I'm not freaking out.
I'm just noticing, like for the first time, people always make this complaint and I'm usually like, ah, fuck that, who cares? They're usually just complaining about like the standalone games. This time it does actually have a little bit of merit that the, like, you know, unders are hitting at a crazy pace.
The games don't have as many points. It hasn't, there haven't been like all these incredible, you know, instant classic type games, but I think they're coming.
That's my whole point. I think they're coming.
Maybe not this week because unfortunately for the people that say that the games suck, we have the Eagles, the Bills, the Vikings, and the Rams all on by. So it's going to be like a grab-your-lunch-pail type of Sunday,

real football fans only.

But it will happen.

We'll get there.

We will get there.

I think all those teams that you mentioned,

the ones that were starting slow,

those are the guys that didn't play in the preseason either.

Maybe it would have been good for Russell Wilson and Nathaniel Hackett

to have played in a couple games in the preseason.

Maybe that would help them in mid-October at some point.

Yeah, Jake, schedule.

Remind me in December, mid-December,

if there's a bad Thursday, Sunday, or Monday night game,

I'm going to be like,

probably should have played the starters in preseason

because that feels like that has some legs later on in the season.

It's probably going to be a Super Bowl take as well. Yeah, probably should have started these guys in the preseason because that feels like that has some legs later on in the season.
It's probably going to be a Super Bowl take as well.

Yeah, I probably should have started these guys in the preseason.

But, yeah, it was – again, it was an eventful game,

and I know that they're not aesthetically pleasing watching the Broncos play,

but I kind of am going to miss that.

I don't think they have another primetime game for like a month and a half or so.

We've got reverse primetime because they're playing the Jaguars. Yeah.
All right. You see the Christmas slate? That's the true London game.
They're playing Christmas. They have a standalone game.
They're playing Christmas Eve. No, Christmas Day.
There's a standalone game because they moved the bulk of the slate to Saturday. I think they did this like six or seven years ago.
There's three games on Christmas. Yeah.
And they're all bad. I just, I don't know.
I like what you just tune in because you're like you don't know what kind of fucked up football you're gonna watch and it's something interesting even though it is bad and uh by the way talking about schedule the nfl remains king next year black friday we get a game which they're just flexing on everything and i love it i wish they had done this earlier where they're just like, we own every day. If there's other sports being played, tough shit,

we're playing a game.

No, it's a big brain move on their part

because it's like Friday after Thanksgiving,

what does Jeff Bezos do?

He runs Amazon, right?

Or he founded Amazon.

He's trying to get people to stay home and buy shit online

instead of going to wait in stores.

What better way to do that than to have games on television? People to be on their asses on the couch yeah yeah so um nfl is king as always uh anything else from week six we're going to do all of our college football talk with andy staples coming up uh pft you're you're carson wentz you've been relieved of carson wentz duty which you should be happy about no i'm I'm not happy about it, Big Cat, because I was rooting so hard for this guy. Nobody wanted him.
We wanted him in D.C. You saw Ron Rivera after that last game.
He was crying. He was like, I wanted this guy.
I was the one that brought the binders full of quarterbacks over to Mr. Snyder, and I showed him, look at this guy.
This guy is a guy that we can build around. I felt the same way.
You saw me from day from day one I was fully in support of Carson Wentz I did everything that I could to try to make it work out it's just unfortunate that he had this injury in a game that he won actually and I bet if you go back and you look at the history of Washington football team Redskins commanders quarterbacks he might be the first quarterback to win their last game with this franchise in 25 years it's just that he went out on top thank you carson for everything you contributed to the organization and now it's taylor heineke time bitch i'm pretty pumped up about heineke going into green bay and just beat the fuck out of aaron rogers i think that game's at home in washington yeah yeah i i then he'll go to green bay afterwards and kick his ass i actually i think i might have to bet on the commanders just just on the the theory that everyone hates carson wentz like you you have to you have to bet on the commanders this week just being like everyone hates this dude he was not good taylor heineke is a very likable guy who will just make shit happen. He's going to throw deep to your receivers that are very, very good,

and fun shit's going to go down.

Yeah, that's what's great about Taylor Heineke.

He's one of the most fun quarterbacks to watch.

I personally, I don't mind watching Taylor Heineke even if we end up losing

because it's just a fun brand of football.

And I know that's loser talk, but I knew last year we weren't going to win anything.

This year we're probably not going to win anything. So, yeahineke out there have him just stir shit up just make plays just i want to see a taylor heineke pointing downfield up into the air and just fucking letting one sail that's the heineke i know that's the that's the brand of football i want to see played absolutely um okay so other stuff baseball the yankees survive five game series against the guardians after a rain delay on monday night that people were pretty pissed about um it was it was it was a fun scene watching the bronx today because i love whenever a guy uh you know showboats or or does a celebration and it backfires instantly and that happened with with Josh Naylor, who did rock the baby to Garrett Cole in game four.
And from that moment on, the Guardians scored one run in 15 innings and the entire stadium was rocking the baby, including was it Glaber who did it? The final out. The final out, just shoving it back in their face.
I have nothing against the Guardians. I was rooting for them.
Istripe dan will tell you differently but me big cat i was rooting for the guardians and uh they have a young fun team but this will be fun to watch the yankees lose to the astros for like what seems like the 17th time in the last five years that's what we all got if you don't have a dog in this fight you got to be rooting for the astros toros to come out and play surprisingly well against the Yankees. If I'm the Astros, I start cheating again.
I want them to just beat the fuck out of the Yankees and then to have the Yankees just looking around like, what the hell just happened to us? I want spin rates to be off the chart this series. I want them to be sending out umpires to the pitcher's mound like every two innings, looking underneath belts, underneath ball caps.
I want them swiping behind ears, not finding anything. I want them to be sending out umpires to the pitcher's mound like every two innings, looking underneath belts, underneath ball caps.

I want them swiping behind ears, not finding anything.

I want the Astros to get on the horn of NASA and figure out all the most advanced new ways.

Maybe talk to Elon about it.

The best new ways to cheat.

And I want them to just dominate the Yankees.

That would be, in my opinion, good for baseball.

Jake is biting his lips because it goes against two things that Jake loves right now. One, the New York Yankees.
Stella's back. And two, sportsmanship.
Hold on, Jake. Talk about the Yankees while I put Stella's collar in.
She's back on the show. Yeah, so obviously the Astros knocked out the Yankees and the ALCS in 2017 and 2019, and COVID happened right after that.
The Astros have returned to Yankee Stadium since then, but I think Yankee Stadium for games three, four, and five, that's going to be back to the front of their minds, and this is revenge for both of those years. Are you saying that the Houston Astros caused COVID with their cheating? No, I'm saying that they didn't get a full fan reception due to the delay.
Oh, interesting. Interesting.
You're saying the timing was suspicious. Not at all.
Jake, do you give the Yankees any chance in this series? They already are kind of fucked. I love how everyone was complaining about the weather delay on Monday night.
It was raining, but they were saying that the Yankees basically mlb decides whether the game's canceled or not but people were putting on their yeah they were putting on tinfoil hats being like the yankees did this because they wanted to get their pitching set but not realizing the downside of this is they literally just beat the guardians and then have to fly directly to houston and play the astros on wednesday, that's a, I might just bet the Yankees because their number will be so high, but it feels like you're already starting. Like if you can find a way to win one in Houston, it's a series.
And if not, it's going to be big time trouble. Yeah, listen, obviously it is the very unique turnaround, but this, I said it at the beginning of the Guardian series.

It's all on the starting pitching.

The starting pitching delivered in this Guardian series, right?

Garrett Cole had two great games.

Nestor Cortez on short rest got five innings today.

So if their starters are going to have to give you distance in game one, they're probably

not going to have a starter that you can fully trust.

I think Tyone might be going.

I'm not entirely sure

but cole was the reason they got those game games one and four wins so we'll see what about the fact that gary cole is kind of a head case do you or do you think he's figured it out mentally he'll be fine he'll be fine do you see him he shrugged off the podium he said that's cute about the About the rocking the baby. Yeah, well, they'd already won, right? Yeah, so, I mean, he also did the two short to Garrett Cole, which is weird because isn't Garrett Cole like 6'4"? I think he's a solid size, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know if he was doing like an ironic six, like you're too short thing to him. When you're losing the baseball game is a crazy move.
It was crazy move it was a crazy move but um i don't know it had it had the fans fired up and uh maybe i love that shit i love shit talking i saw ben verlander justin's brother who covers baseball was actually upset about it which is nice to know like he's a new school uh baseball media guy knowing that Like there still is some old school curmudgeon in every even new school baseball guy where i gotta find his tweet he was like he was actually kind of upset which made me laugh very hard because yeah how would you be upset about that it's maybe not the worst strategy of all time to do that when you're losing because maybe you'll get lucky and they'll just bean the guy behind you in the lineup and boom you get another guy on base like it might be a good way to start a rally all right here it is this is wild this is from ben verlander this is wild josh nailer was rounding the bases rocking a baby and calling garrett cole his son i'm a fan of bat flips and celebrating your work but don't make it disrespectful this is quite disrespectful disrespectful. That's awesome.
Like that's, he's, he's, he's new media and it's like just passing the torch because you need at least one or two baseball writers to just be upset about everything at all times. Yeah.
I want, I want like a teenager out there yelling at players, like pull your pants up. Yeah.
Yeah. It's great.
It's great. And then the fighting's up one one nothing as we're taping this yeah bryce went yard yeah so uh we'll see we we mentioned at the beginning but max is going to a game this weekend we'll hopefully get video of that him just half screaming half crying about every play and showing his true philly so it's going to be great um i'm trying to think what else oh nba started hank Hank, I have a question for you.
Why are the Celtics wearing the Bucs uniforms? They're the new city jerseys for Bill Russell. So if you don't like them, then you don't respect the greatest player in NBA history.
So just watch your words. Also one of the greatest civil rights icons as well.
I was just asking because it confused me. Nike has ruined NBA jerseys where every team has 15 jerseys and they all like they just look totally different celtics have the celtics are another one of those teams that that's a classic jersey why would you mess with the class celtics have never made an alternate jersey that's better than their greener whites or their white jerseys no because it's a classic jersey yeah that's what i'm saying like we talked about it with maybe the black ones like why why would you mess with something that is already kind of perfect like the the knicks when the knicks wear remember when the knicks wear their um like halloween jerseys it's like why would you mess with something that is beautiful to begin with alternate jerseys are for franchises with no history that's i'm gonna say that that's a take but these are the commanders look pretty sick in the black ones yeah well those are cool but i'm just saying like one year old.
That's a take. But these are – That's Bill Russell specifically.
The commanders look pretty sick in the black ones. Yeah.
Those are cool, but I'm just saying – They're one-year-old. That's true.
Yeah, exactly, Hank. We're trying to start a tradition right now.
I'm just saying when you – Alternate jerseys work for the Oregon Ducks, and this is now very ironic that I'm doing this take right after I made fun of Ben Verlander, but the NBA has like – There's so many jerseys now. And I mean, I had this take three years ago when, who was it? It was the Blazers and the Nuggets were playing and the Nuggets were playing with the Blazers jerseys.
And it was like, what's going on? Or when the Heat made the playoffs and they were wearing the Pacers jerseys. Yeah, it's gotta be the same color.
I do sound like an old Ben. No, but I agree though.
The fact that the Celtics are wearing green jerseys, but they not their typical green is just kind of right they have a perfect jersey don't mess with the perfect jersey um okay anything else before we do hot seat cool throne yeah can i change my my picks for the nba championship this year nope you're locked in with the nugs i've been thinking about that all day you but it's you've you've been a nuggets guy through i got cut off in traffic by a guy with a nuggets bumper sticker day it's just been everywhere around me my pick that i know i'm gonna i mean i'm gonna lose all credibility as far as all what do we call a round ball head yeah we're we're ball is life podcast yeah i lose going to lose all credibility. But all my hoop cred.

You have to stick with it because you've been saying for like,

it feels like five years now that once the Nuggets get healthy.

It's two years.

It feels like five years.

Once the Nuggets get healthy, watch out.

Dude, Jamal Murray is back.

And he's looking really good right now.

Michael Porter Jr.

Michael Porter Jr. is back.

We've got the big case of Rito showing some love on the inside it's gonna be it's gonna be the nugs year um okay also oh draymond green did you guys see yeah i had that on my cool throne it was preposterous okay all right let's get to hot seat cool throne then all right hey it's ria from tricks in the office it's officially mini skort season and abercrombie has the ones to go out in their

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My hot seat is our darling Jake

Jake Marsh

He has been keeping track of our NFL weekly picks. Yeah, I noticed that there was no update.
Well, no, so he tweeted. Someone tweeted at him last night and they're like, can we see the standings, please? And Jake tweeted out a screenshot.
I'll send you guys the link or Jake, if you can send the link, you guys have access to the sheet. He tweeted out a screenshot of an Excel sheet that showed the stats and he, I've never seen a person get dunked harder.
Like the cells were a disaster. Excel bros left and right were just absolutely crushing him, crushing him.
Dude, do you even macro? It was, it was one of the worst displays of macro selling i've ever seen in my long history excel bros will come at you hard because you have to realize that's like that's all they have so you can't fuck with all what they have like that's and and a guy i will say this for excel bros if you've ever watched someone use excel the way it's supposed to be used it is actually like mind-blowing yeah because i think everyone in the world everyone listening to this podcast has applied to a job out of college where they wrote on their resume proficient in microsoft excel and and 99.9 of us are not we just knew how to open it up and like write a word in it the people who actually know how to use it and make all kinds of weird formulas they are they're geniuses so when you when you fuck with them they get upset jim harbaugh jim harbaugh would have your ass they're really mad i've yeah the microsoft excel guys have you ever seen they have excel championships yes like competitions on tv where you can it's like twitch people using mic's fascinating. I actually, I, I talked with this dude who was an executive at Microsoft at my old, old job way back in the day, he was like coming through our office and he was like, Microsoft Excel is the most advanced, most beautiful, simplistic, perfect piece of software that humans will ever create.
And he sold me. I was like, yeah, I fucking love Excel.
Even though All i know how to do is just up arrow down arrow click yeah i've used excel for two things in my life both of which the templates were built for me prior by someone else the it's the two things are plugging in our picks and my broadcasting charts so the system works you got to use the round feature you're not professional format to percent yeah but the system works i used it last year and uh i'm not gonna change it brother brother using some title 15 decimal places crime emoji you know jake jake you you are like you know mini perfectionist but i'm i'm telling you that as your boss you have to keep don't change anything

and every week you need to tweet out the screenshot and only people just to keep getting people will be in on the joke yes love it yes exactly make it worse yeah i had like 20 more decimals yeah just make it yeah just figure out a way to make it even worse um okay hey the mccull throws Draymond Green. He managed to turn him almost killing one of his teammates in a disgusting move Pat Beverly talked about it on the Pat Pev show where it's like that just doesn't happen you know I think it's especially because football there's fights all the time where people like oh you know fight fight in training camp or whatever but like teammates don't just punch each other in the face and knock them out cold.
And he took that, didn't get a suspension or anything,

just took some time away from the team,

and then has a show on TNT where he glorified it, basically.

He glorified himself assaulting his teammate

and looking so immature, childish, and just bad.

It was a master class in how to use your children to shield you like that was when he was like yeah i was just playing with my kids and then there was a slow-mo of his daughter running into his open arms like this is where when i make the joke father or two and people like will joke about it like this is what people actually do where like they'll hit a controversy and they'll be like well i'm a father so i could never have been a bad person it's like no there's a lot of bad dads out there that's actually totally like a lot of people who've committed a lot of crimes are fathers but i i saw it and i was like just chef's kiss to be like yeah i was playing with my kids when the video got leaked and i didn't even notice how the internet reacted because I was just with my kids and I was just enjoying the moment with my kids. And here's a slow-mo of me with my kids just to prove that I was with my kids.
Also, his first explanation behind it was that he dropped a line unironically, hurt people hurt people, which I fucking love that line. So he's like, really, I was damaged.
and so because i was feeling so much pain i had to make somebody else feel so much pain it's like when people wave the therapy magic wand and don't get me wrong i think therapy is great i've been to therapy before i think more people should go to therapy it's a very useful thing that you can do but when you say like uh you i can't really be held accountable like kevin spacey or whatever for you know those dozens of people that i raped because i'm going to therapy right now and i'm working on myself that sort of thing yeah like you you can't you can't do the you can't play the therapy card and then automatically everything that you've done up to that point is forgiven yeah he did the double whammy the therapy and father card what were you gonna say hank to finish it off oh i just when he was watching I was like this is this is like like if Rico Bosco made this tape where he was like I have the moment where I almost like the lowest moment of my life on camera and that's a good thing it's like what but it made me it made me a remake with Rico that's what I was thinking I was watching yeah preposterous like imagine if we had done that like imagine if we tried to spin that into a positive like and I'm just gonna take a shot in the dark I I think Draymond Green probably would have preferred uh that moment to never be leaked but like he took the moment he other moments like a special on his on his on his tv show like but that's that's why Draymond is is a sneaky genius for doing all this media stuff like all the stuff that he does in games, all I want to know after it's over is what is Draymond's actual explanation for why he did that during the game. And then boom, he's got his own podcast so I can go listen to it right away.
The world is content for Draymond Green. Everything is content.
Also, this really has nothing to do with any of it but uh he has very white teeth and that always helps me believe you not too white if your teeth are too white where it's like rex ryan you're like what's going on here he just had like very nice white teeth and i'm like i kind of believe this guy that's fair it's i yeah i don't know i it's something about it so um all right PFT, your hot seat, Cool Trunk. My hot seat is the Houston Texans moral character.

As. Yeah, I don't know.
It's something about it. So, all right, PFT, your hot seat, Cooltron.
My hot seat is the Houston Texans moral character as an organization. They've had a great couple years, but it sounds like they're losing their rock.
They have fired Jack Easterby. They've unfortunately decided to cut ties and move on from Jack Easterby.
If you don't know Jack Easterby, he was part-time character coach,

part-time stand-up comedian,

and then full-time Rasputin.

I think his official title was Executive Vice President of Football Operations.

If you go back and you look at Jack Easterby's career,

I'm obsessed with this guy

because the stand-up stuff that he's done

is just groundbreaking material.

But if you go back and you look at what he did in New England,

he was their character coach there. And basically his job was like hang out in the cafeteria and make everybody uncomfortable around him.
And they brought him in like after Aaron Hernandez, all that situation went down to try to like clean the team up a little bit. And when he applied to work there, he falsified his resume and he pulled an unironic Dwight Schrute.
So he was right out of college. He was like an assistant to the director of football operations for the Jaguars.
And then by the time he got to the Patriots and applied there, he said that he was the assistant director of football operations to the Jaguars as like a 22 year old. And then he carried that over, got hired by the Texans, became literally like their Rasputin and convinced Bill O'Brien to trade away DeAndre Hopkins, even though he had no background whatsoever as a football guy.
He was just kind of like a preacher that hung out. And so now the Houston Texans won't have any character.
So that's that's got to be bad news for them. Yeah, it's that's a crazy story, especially because this guy like wrecked your entire franchise.
guys well i mean deshaun watson had something to do with that but um and then to have him get fired you're like wait if he's gonna wreck it like at least keep him around and maybe he could be an accidental genius at some point well the timing's really weird on it because he's already destroyed the franchise and like the deshaun watson thing i i have a feeling that he was maybe working with deshaun watson like with some of the nda stuff or team i have no evidence to back this up whatsoever i just want to be clear about that but he was his job was kind of to make deshaun watson happy after the whole bill o'brien thing happened and try to convince deshaun watson to stick around so the timing of firing him right now is it's pretty strange. Oh, and also when they went out to pick their new GM, he was like, oh yeah, any competent general manager is going to want to fire my ass.
So I'm going to make sure that the owner hires my buddy from the Patriots, Nick Casero to come in to be the GM, because maybe he won't fire me immediately. Well, after like a, he got fired.
So go check out Jack Easterby's stand-up tapes if you haven't already. When he talks about how people out in Los Angeles have surfer voices or how people in Houston Texans wear giant belt buckles, it's really funny stuff.
So give it a look. It's awesome um and then my cool throne is uh dj shark because he just had a baby so we're putting him in the baby bonanza or i guess his wife or girlfriend whoever had a had a baby but he's a father now so it's baby shark this weekend and we're putting that on the barstool sports book yes and it'll have a baby boost on there for part of my take so check it out right now um okay my hot seat is uh the rats of new york city so i don't know if you guys saw this but there was um they they basically made an ordinance in new york city that they're going to uh delay trash pickup like they're going to do limited hours for trash pickup.

So people shouldn't leave their trash on the streets unless it's their time

because they're trying to fight the rats.

And they had a press conference and this,

this reporter Emmer court quoted some things from the press conference.

I want to read some of them for you because it's essentially like George W.

Bush being like, you know, we're going to find the terrorists.

That's how like serious they're taking this rat situation.

Now watch this drive.

One of the quotes.

Yeah.

One of the quotes were there are many rivers that are feeding the sea of rodents in the

city.

And today we're damning one of them.

The biggest swing you can take in cleaning up our streets is shutting down the all night

all you can eat rat buffet.

Rats will hate this announcement.

The rats don't run this city.

We do.

This is not Ratatouille.

Rats are not our friends. New Yorkers will not have to fear as many rats hiding in late night shadows.
It sounds like something that Batman would say when announcing that we're taking Bane out. The rats don't run this city.
We do. I tend to disagree.
If you have to say that, I i think the rats run the city i think the rats definitely run the city and also we've seen yeah we've seen some of the the late night rat buffets and they are there's something else why don't you know what what uh i've seen happen a couple times around my neighborhood at least they have these things called dachshund clubs and you know the dachshunds the dogs they're like little short-legged things they're actually bred to kill to hunt and kill rats that's what they naturally do they have dachshund clubs that meet up together and then they just let their dogs off leashes and they just sprint around killing rats all night it's pretty metal that is pretty metal i mean it's it's in chicago it's it's usually the rats stay the alleys. Cause that's where all the trash is.
And then every now and then you'll go in an alley and there'll just be notices everywhere that basically are like, we just, we just lit off a nuclear bomb in this alley. So be careful.
And that's also like very metal where it's like, yeah, we just, we, it was biological warfare in this alley. So, uh, if you drop any food, don't try to eat it for a little bit because there's a lot of shit going on but yeah the rats the rats the rats don't run this city we do and saying the rats will hate this announcement one weird trick rats hate it oh man and then my cool throne is um all of us because taco bell uh steel base steel tacos Oh, nice.
I feel like it's always back, but it's back.

They made the announcement, so now we get a free taco

when someone steals a base in the World Series.

The best promo going.

Which is always fun.

Best promo going.

It really is.

It really is.

We should do steal a base, get a free subscription to Pardon My Take.

I like that.

Hit a homer.

Hit a dinger.

Maybe if there's a grand Slam in the World Series,

we will give away a free subscription to Pardon My Take.

And I'm going to match that.

Okay.

So everyone root for a Grand Slam in the World Series,

and we will then drop the links for everyone to subscribe for free.

That's beautiful.

Should we do a Grand Slam?

We could do like a 6-3 ground out. We could do the podcast and youtube and maybe if there's two i don't think we know now we're sounding kind of thirsty i feel like we do thirsty we'll give away a youtube subscription no but i'm saying like description yeah yeah we don't want to give everything away let's let's give away a youtube subscription if there's a bulk okay a b balk or a grand slam okay a balk or a grand slam free youtube subscription to pardon my take that's

we're not going to be able to afford this no you're taking away base pretty much you're

reducing my salary to two apes per episode yeah we might have to fire billy so my apes don't

subscribe otherwise we might have to billy your hot seat cool throne that was a joke billy

I don't subscribe. Otherwise we might have to.
Billy, you're hot seat, cool thrown. That was a joke, Billy.
I love you. I can hear you guys.
Okay. You didn't even hear the joke.
I didn't even hear the joke. Okay, good.
My hot seat is Tom Brady. He compared playing in the NFL, like deploying overseas and fighting a war because you don't see your family.

And a lot of people are calling him out for that, saying it's pretty BS.

Yeah, a lot of great quarterbacks steal valor.

Is that true?

I was going to say this for my Fyre Fest, but I have to say it now.

I was in Chicago on Monday.

Hank and I went to look at offices.

So I flew in, flew back. So it was a long day.
I was coming back. I was in chicago on monday hank and i went to look at offices and so i flew in flew flew back so it was a long day i was coming back i was in o'hare and i was sitting by the gate and uh because there was no seats it was packed and they made the announcement like military service members can please board the plane so i got up because i was like oh i i gotta get up because i gotta get ready to go in like when they start actually boarding people so i got up to get out of the way because I was kind of in the plane.
So I got up because I was like, Oh, I got to get up. Cause I got to get ready to go in.
Like when they start actually boarding people. So I got up to get out of the way.
Cause I was kind of in the gateway and a person walked by and was like, thank you for your service. And it was thrilling.
It was thrilling. Cause they thought I was getting up to go on the plane.
And I was just like this. I get why Billy steals valor every day.
Like it was awkward because AWL has come up to me and say thank you and it's like no what do i say like no stop no i said i said you're welcome and it felt great and i like i i had this moment where i was like almost like zapped into your life and i was like i get i understand why billy wears the camo and wears the fake purple metal and all that stuff like it makes sense to me now well he might have also been thanking you for your service as a podcaster which is i get that a lot i've never stolen valor but people do see me and they're like you know what you go behind a microphone every day and you speak hard truths thank you sir you know the first amendment without the first amendment you don't have the second so and don't get me started on the third with quartering soldiers but if somebody says to me thank you for you for my service as a podcaster, it's almost like an everyday thing for me right now. And I'm comfortable saying you're welcome.
Yeah. Bill, your cool throne.
My cool throne is humans. If you've been seeing the news recently, humans have been taking tons of W's against bears and just dishing out bears L's.
There was a video of a dude fighting a bear

and throwing him off a cliff.

And then there was another story of two Wyoming wrestlers

beating the bear off and beating the shit out of a bear

and getting them away from him and surviving a grizzly attack.

That feels not cool.

It feels like a BuzzFeed Steve Irwin right now.

We're up two on bears.

Why is that cool to kill bears? No, they didn't kill them. They just fought them off hand to hand.
Talk about a major fail. No, but one of them threw him off a cliff.
Yeah, because the bear tried to attack him. Yeah, but that guy was probably in the bear's home.
Yeah, we're in the bear's crib. If you haven't seen this video, I posted it to my Twitter.
This guy, a bear comes out of nowhere and tries to attack him, and then he falls off the cliff, and then he hits the bear that's trying to attack him, and it's all on GoPro. But again, the bear didn't come out of nowhere.
He came out of his house. Also, yeah, what was the guy wearing? Yeah, I mean, it's just humans are're just take humans i think it was actually is a female bear is a female bear and she had her bear cubs with her so she thought that the human was trying to take her cubs away that is true she was just defending herself we're up i just always as a principal and this is someone who probably because a mother lost her life and her kids are now well the.
Well, the bear's not actually dead. The bear's not dead.
It just ran away. The bear's not dead.
Just ran away. It's just a sick video.
I actually think that what's happening right now is actually it's a major dub for bears because we're talking about bears. We're watching all their content right now, and we're like, oh, fuck.
I would shit myself if a bear came at me like that in the woods. It's making us as humans more fearful of them, when in reality we probably shouldn't be that afraid of them.
But it's putting out fear porn propaganda on behalf of the bears. So I say that's a major win for the bears.
I'm also a city guy, and I don't really go deep into nature, but I always root for the animals. Always.
I just always root for the animals. I do.
I root for Harambe. Oh, this is a crazy video.
This is your second animal video with millions of views. I just get them first, and I credit them when I find where they came from.
Yeah, because I was going to say, you don't get them first. You find them first.
You get them off Reddit first. You don't get them first.
You got to be part of the right Reddit and WhatsApp group chats. Oh, my God.
I don't want to know what the WhatsApp group chats. I don't want to know what the wrong WhatsApp group chats look like.
Okay, Jake, finish us off, and then we to andy my hot seat is james corden uh yeah he was briefly banned from part of my take briefly banned by new york city's balthazar but the real story is he's permanently banned from this show right yeah he's he's banned from this show no band now fuck him you know what, fuck him. You know what? Hank, you're banned too.

Think about the views.

That would be interesting.

He can come on part of my take, but he has to be in person, and Billy has to serve him

a seven-course meal while he's being interviewed.

And they all have to be made by Billy and just completely fucked up.

And if he complains one time, I'm going to kick him in his teeth. Reports say he was the most abusive customer at the restaurant.
Well, and this guy, quite a situation he got himself in because he apparently has defended Woody... What's the...
Oh, Woody Allen? What's the... Woody Allen.
Woody Allen. He was friends with Jizzy Maxwell.
He was friends with Jeffrey Epstein. So he made this public post and everyone was like, hey, wait.
You're not a good guy. And then he immediately was like, James Corden called me and apologized.
We're good. It's like the shrimp toast crunch guy or bean dad.
Dude, how about emu girl? Did you see she got canceled? I did see that. Yeah.
Yeah. Why? Because all her birds died.
All her birds died. She apparently like is part of like the, she's going to start another pandemic.
And I heard people were saying that she's racist. I couldn't find the racist stuff, but it was just the fact that people are still heartbroken when some random person goes viral.
And then we find out they're a're a bad person, that's like Internet 1.0. That's been happening for so long now.
You can't fall in love with these people. Wait, is Emmanuel, is he okay? Or did he die too? I think he's racist.
I think he's life support right now. 99% of the birds died.
He might be dead. No, I saw he drank water for the first time on his own in a few days yesterday.
Oh, so you're following this story Yeah I like the bird girl Is she racist? People are saying she's racist I did not see that It also could have been like people just said she was racist And then no one actually proved it People just hate her I didn't know Because I couldn't find the racism, so I was like, what's going on here? I'm looking it up right now. They're calling her the racist emu girl.
Yeah, right. I feel like you're going to have to be more specific than that.
I couldn't figure out why. Oh, man.
All right, Jake. You're finding out the emu girl is racist and that her kissing Emanuel is a serious public health issue.
Yeah, but I can't find where she was racist. Oh, wait.
Okay. So 2012, she's got some posts.
Okay. I'm going to read some of her posts just out loud for the first time.
Don't? I shouldn't? No, I am. You dare me to? No, do it.
Like no filter? Oh, I see him too. No, don't.
I'm looking at them now too. Okay, should I do it? Don't.
He fucking tanked it. It was a beast of a bomb.
Sack. Give us the play-by-play right now.
I don't know what else to say. He just hit an upper-decker.
You know what a Schwarbo is. Give us your Philly.
It's the best. I know what a fucking Schwarbo is.
Damn, that's a hammer time. I put a bet on Harper to go yard, Schwarber to go yard, and then I've got Castellanosanos to go yard i'm trying to get the big three right now that would be crazy you got two down um wait oh yeah i was about to read this one but that one's got the n-word in it too yeah no okay all right so i'm i know i i disavowed emu girl i hope her bird dies uh my cool throne is the inside the nba crew They all signed long-term extensions so that fantastic pregame show will be with us for the foreseeable future that's great i heard that charles barkley is is getting like a hundred million dollar contract right now from turner or something like that masterful use of saudi arabia as being the the big money in the room.

That's how you do it right there for Sir Charles.

Just be like, I'll take money from anybody and then get a massive,

massive raise when he returns back to TNT.

That's a pregame show with high approval rating.

If you're looking for an NBA podcast with high approval rating,

check out the Pat Bev pod.

Episode one dropped today.

Love it.

Love it.

Okay.

Good hot seat, cool thrones, everyone.

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Okay, we welcome on our good friend, college football expert. You can find him on The Athletic.
You can listen to the Andy Staples podcast. You can hear him on SiriusXM.
It is Andy Staples. We're here to talk some college football.
What a season it has been. What a Saturday it was.
So let's start there. I have a couple questions on the Tennessee-Alabama game, but I want to – I think you probably do this too, Andy, sometimes where a big game happens and you talk about the losers more than the winners.
So I don't want to fall into that trap.

And let's talk about Tennessee.

Is Tennessee all the way back?

And even if they lose to Georgia, are they still all the way back?

Because I want them to be back.

It's fun to have Tennessee back.

This is the best Tennessee team since the two you led to a national title.

For sure.

But are they all the way back?

I don't know that yet. They roped Alabama into playing their style of game, which Alabama almost played as well as them in one of the most intense environments you'll ever see.
So I don't know that I'm ready to crown Tennessee quite yet. But I will say, I don't know there's a lot of defenses in the country that are going to be able to stop them.
I think you're going to have to beat them in a shootout.

That's what's interesting to me as you go forward.

Because in a couple weeks, they play Kentucky.

Kentucky just shut down Mississippi State.

Could they slow down Tennessee enough?

I don't know if they can.

And Georgia may be able to.

But I could see Georgia beating them by outscoring. Because Georgia has a bunch of different ways to beat you offensively.
But can Tennessee compete with anybody in the country right now? Yeah, they absolutely can. Could could they compete for the SEC title? Yes, they could beat Georgia.
They could go to the SEC title game. Or if you really want to make non-SEC people's heads explode, you can talk about what if they lose close to Georgia, Georgia and Alabama play a classic SEC championship game and Tennessee slips in into the playoff that way.
It's possible that could happen. They've got to figure out how to make sure they keep winning.
I mean, it's hard because these are guys that have not had a ton of success in their careers. So they've got to learn how to deal with this level of success.
Now playing UT Martin this week, I think helps them. So if they had to play Kentucky this week, I would be putting my life savings on Kentucky to cover.
Yeah. Because it's the ultimate letdown spot.
But right now I think they're in a good spot. Yeah.
Do we know if their defense is bad? Do we officially know that? Because the style of play that their offense plays, their defense is exhausted because they get on the field so much. So I don't think we really have a barometer like whether or not Tennessee's defense is good enough to get them that far.
Okay, so my alma mater, Florida, their defense bordering on bad.

And you saw what LSU did to them last weekend.

Well, Tennessee's defense shut down LSU's offense.

So it may not be that Tennessee's defense is bad.

It may be that Tennessee's defense is not the best when playing as the Heisman Trophy winner

and his merry band of five stars, which is what they had to deal with with Alabama.

Now, I realize this is not the Alabama

receiving core that we've seen over the past few years it's still a really good offense Jameer Gibbs is an amazing tailback they've got great players all over the field so Tennessee did enough to like when you say forcing them to kick a 50 yard field goal is the highlight of your day defensively. Yeah, that was enough.
You did enough. Yeah, yeah.
It is interesting. I would actually say that Florida's defense is bad, and LSU owns Florida.
It's pretty shocking to see. I've got to live here, Big Cat.
Yeah, I'm just saying. If I say something like that, people are going to be coming at me in the grocery store.
Yeah, they're bad. I'll say it for for you um so Alabama I'm so interested it's it's crazy how when Alabama stumbles it's just fascinating to just see how they come back how Saban reacts because they've just been on top for so long my question though is is this feel like Alabama is they're not fading they're still you probably going to the college football playoff.
But they struggled against Texas. They struggled against Texas A&M.
You can go back to last year. They lost to Texas A&M.
They struggled against LSU. Like there have been signs where they are not – they struggled against your Florida Gators.
There have been signs that they are not the Alabama that just rolls people. And even if they slip up once here or there, they come back and they just keep rolling people.
Are you, can we do the like, hey, is Saban losing the fastball? Is he throwing 92 and not 99 now? Can I put my Dan Wolkin hat on and say the Alabama dynasty is that? No, I will not say that. Like every time somebody says the Alabama dynasty is is dead another five-star recruit calls Nick Saban is like can I come can I come yeah but what I do think has happened I blame Kirby Smart for a lot of it Kirby Smart's been at Georgia now since 2016 and every year he's been there he's sheared off a few guys that would have signed with Alabama before Kirby Smart was at Georgia.

And so you've got that. You had Jimbo signing guys that Alabama wanted last year at Texas A&M.
You have Tennessee now getting big into the NIL game, getting looks from recruits they hadn't been. You had Florida hiring Billy Napier with the express purpose of get guys that Kirby Smart and Nick Saban want.
And so if you sign 20 of those guys a year, instead of 25 of the guys that you absolutely want the most, your depth suffers. Yeah.
That happens. And that's what Alabama was able to just Lord over everybody for the longest time is if they had somebody hurt, if they had somebody who wasn't playing particularly well, they just plug in the next one.
And it's another potential first rounder.

Well, they're still that way in most places, but there's some positions now where they're not as perfect as they have been. And they're susceptible to the same kind of depth issues that normal teams

are at certain places.

And so if you catch them on the right day, you can beat them.

That said, I'm with you.

I think they went out, and I don't put it past Nick Saban

to have a perfect game plan for an SEC championship game,

and they go to the playoff anyway.

So let's have the discussion because I love that narrative

of when is Alabama's dynasty officially over?

When would it be officially over? Would it be if they don't win three championships in a row? Is it like three consecutive years without a national title and Nick Saban is washed? Is that what we're going to say? I think that might be what we're going to say. I'll tell you when it is.
We'll know when Nick Saban retires because he told me this was 2017. So this is the year they win the national title.
They, they plug into it in halftime in the national title game. So this was the week of whatever FCS team they're playing before Auburn.
And, and I'm in his office and I'm asking him all these big picture questions. Cause I'm, I'm, I was working for SI and I was writing, you know, pre-writing the bulk of the national title game story.
Cause you have to have that sucker in before the game starts for the most part. And I'd asked him about, you know, all the different changes in the sport.
And he basically said, I will leave before I let it go down. Like, and the implication of that is I will know before any of you idiots do if this is going downhill and i will make sure that they that i give alabama a chance to put somebody in who will get it back to where it needs to be now nick saban's idea of where it needs to be and everybody else is probably a very different place but my guess is he understands better than everybody else that's why you saw that stuff with jimbo in the offseason.
He's talking about the NIL stuff. It's not so much that he's worried about, oh, they're quote-unquote cheating, which they're not because there are no rules anymore, which is the best way college football should be.
But he's saying, I can't make more rich people in Alabama. Alabama right Texas will always have more rich people than Alabama Tennessee will probably have a similar number of rich people as Alabama but they don't have an Auburn and that's the thing that that he's thinking about he's thinking ahead to okay how do I dominate this new world?

Because things are changing around me.

And there's some things that probably are out of my control,

so I got to work around them.

So Nick Saban to UConn is what you're saying.

A lot of wealth up there.

Done.

Yeah.

No, and I do not think Alabama is done.

It's also the bar that Nick Saban has set there,

where you have the 2020 Alabama team, and I know it's a COVID year, but that team was so goddamn good, and they just rolled over everyone. Like, the closest game they played was against Florida in the SEC championship game, and maybe I'm misremembering it, but I never at any point was like, Florida's going to win this game.
It was like, can Florida cover this spread? It was a five-point game, but Florida would get within five and then Alabama would score another touchdown. Right, and that was their closest game, and now they've played in the last two years half a dozen games where it's actually been, hey, this is kind of weird, whether it be an actual loss or a game that they skirt by.
You're like, oh, this is a close game. They might actually be in trouble.
I want to move to the Pac-12 real quick. It's a perfect Pac-12 season where, like, it's actually a better than normal Pac-12 season because I think there actually are good teams, but they all just cannibalize each other, so we'll end up with no Pac-12 participant.
My question, though, is do you think when Lincoln Riley went to USC, did anyone tell him, like, hey, I know that you don't want to be in the SEC, but having to play at Utah is, like, the worst thing in the world. Like, you're just never going to win there if it gets dark.
Like, it was watching that game. It was essentially, like, Utah sucked, and then the sun went down, and Utah came alive.
Do you think anyone let him know in on that little dirty secret that playing against Kyle Whittingham at night in Utah is probably the toughest place in the country to play? Nobody ever tells anybody that secret. And I've been to night games at Utah.
They're incredible. The mighty Utah student section is loud.
That stadium is the perfect size. They're right on top of you.
You're looking at that you in the mountains, rocks in the mountain. It's not a fun place to play at all.
And the issues that Lincoln Riley teams had at Oklahoma seem to be the same as Lincoln Riley's USC team. They don't dominate you up front and they don't cover very well.
And so I think you're going to have a problem when you play UCLA this year if you wind up playing in Oregon in the Pac-12 title game. That's a problem too.
Now, can they fix that? Sure. They can get a pretty good level of recruit along the line of scrimmage that maybe didn't want to come to Oklahoma when they were in the Big 12.
I actually think once Oklahoma's in the SEC, that level of player will want to go to Oklahoma too. But they're the same issues-wise that they were at Oklahoma.
And we'll see if they figure that part out. That may be an offseason figure it out kind of situation because I don't know if there's as much you can do about it right now.
Who do you have coming out of the Pac-12? Like if you had to pick right now, and it's too bad because I think even if UCLA is the only hope at this point to run the table, because Oregon could run the table, but everyone will just point to the week one game against Georgia and be like, no thanks, we don't want that again. So do you think it's going to be just everyone cannibalizing each other? I mean, I know UCLA plays Oregon this weekend, but is it the Pac-12 is pretty much on the outside looking in yet again? I'm not giving up on them yet, but yes, that Georgia loss for Oregon just hangs over the whole league, and it sucks that anybody else might get smeared with that brush.
But I think if UCLA runs the table, they got a shot. I think a one loss UCLA might have a shot as well.
And I'm curious, right now I'm still leaning Oregon. But if UCLA goes in there and rams the ball down their throat like they have everybody else, I'm probably all in on the Bruins at that point because I like the way they play.
I think they run the ball so well. Charbonnet is just a beast, especially.
Charbonnet will drag guys for three, four yards, and DTR, Dorian Thompson, Robbins, their quarterback, he can run really well, but then when he's running and Charbonnet is running well it opens up the pass game uh you got you got Bobo Jake Bobo the the transfer from Duke who's been fantastic so I I really like what UCLA has become and I'll admit I was surprised I didn't know if Chip Kelly was ever going to be able to get it back there it'll be so awesome if Chip Kelly crashes the party like after it felt like he was you know had a few years at ucla where everyone just kind of forgot about it and it was good it was trending towards oh they'll just have to fire chip kelly in a couple years because it they never really broke through and now he could break through this year it's fun oh yeah and and the thing with chip kelly was you know he he created a paradigm shift in the sport like he took advantage of a change in the clock rules to create an offense that nobody knew what to do with. And that was my big question with him going to UCLA, coming back from the NFL was, can you build in a more standard way? Because you had this innovation that no one could deal with.
By the time you got back, everybody had caught up with it. And it reminds me a little bit of Steve Spurrier.
because Steve Spurrier in the 90s had the fun and gun, and nobody knew what to do with it in the SEC because it was like a three yards in a cloud of dust league. Well, they started hiring defensive coaches specifically to stop it.
He gets back to the SEC at South Carolina in 2005, tries to run the fun and gun, and they can't move the ball at all. And so what he did is he borrowed Appalachian State's offense.
And when they had those really good teams at South Carolina, they were running Appalachian State's offense. Well, what you've seen with Chip Kelly is he's evolved.
He's not worried about running at light speed anymore because that worked then. That's not what necessarily works now.
But what he's done is created a pretty good ground and pound offense that the rest of his league doesn't seem ready for yeah yeah um can we talk jobs real quick i love talking jobs just in general so um we don't talk about another man's job but brian harson probably gone right these guys have families we don't want to we don't want to say anything bad about them they're probably only good there's nothing you can say that some internet people didn't say about his family that wasn't true in the offseason. So now he's going to get $12 million to not work.
It's a pretty good deal. No offset, by the way.
Next job doesn't even count against it. I love it.
It's a weird situation in Auburn because the team has not quit on him. So I think that's why he hasn't been fired yet.
But clearly he will not be the coach at Auburn in 2023. The problem for Harsin, and while I disagree with the methodology of the coup attempt, because it was pretty gross what some of the folks tried to do to him this past offseason and Auburn trying to find dirt so they could fire him for free.
But the reason they did it is because his first year at Auburn, they looked at his recruiting and they're like, did you go after anybody that Nick Saban and Kirby Smart wanted? Did you even try? And the answer was no. He thought he really thought he could out evaluate Nick Saban and Kirby Smart, not realizing that that, yeah, they get the best players, but they're also better at evaluating than most people too.
So that was the biggest problem and it was never going to work there. So now you have this awkward dance where they haven't hired an AD yet.
Eventually they'll make the move and he will get his money and then we'll see a whole new circus around Auburn as they try to hire another coach. Yeah.
We were joking about Matt Rule and how Matt Rule might have to take a step back in the next program that he goes to. So I suggested Auburn as being like one of those second or third level.
People got very mad at me about that. But I feel like Auburn is, it's a weird situation where it's a top job, but it also kind of sucks because you're not Alabama.
Okay. So you're not just, you're not Alabama.
Your two biggest traditional rivals are Alabama and Georgia, which are probably the top two of the top three teams in the sport right now. And they get the best players.
They're the top two recruiting teams in the sport. So you're going to be judged against them, but here's the thing.
And this is where I look at it differently because my dream job is to be a fired SEC coach. The problem is I'm never going to be good enough to be a hired SEC coach.
But if you can get past that, then you're in good shape because nobody gives out buyouts like Auburn. Gus Malzah got $21 million.
Brianars is gonna get 12 million bucks so I say take the Auburn job deal with all the crap and you're gonna be able to buy your own island yeah who doesn't sign up for that yeah it's pretty good that's the difference in mentality though like because somebody that has a normal everyday person's mentality would never get good enough at coaching college football to be that successful. So it's a catch 22.
So if you're Matt rule and you're looking at, at the potential open jobs in college football, first of all, you think Matt rule could just come back and take over like a solid top tier program right now, would they be lucky to have him or is he going to have to like, maybe go back a couple of steps and work his way back up? No, I think that rule can get a pretty good job right now. And I think would do a very good job.
You look at the what he did at Baylor, which was in a really bad place when he got there, but he'd not worked in Texas before. He did a great job of hiring people who could kind of guide him there and help him recruit there and understand in the landscape there One of them was, was a guy named Joey, Joey McGuire, who was a longtime high school coach in Texas, who was so good at Baylor that he became the head coach of Texas tech.
And that's what he is now, but rules smart enough to know that you have to put those people like Harsin went to Auburn, but didn't want to do that. You know, rule would, would do that.
don't think rule take auburn or really be in the mix for that if i had to guess rule might want like a wisconsin type job but it looks like like jim leonard like i think big cat you know this better than i do but i think the timing of the firing of paul christ was to give jim leonard enough runway so that they could give him the job so So that would be the one I'd look at for rule. My guess is he does TV and then waits this cycle out and sees what's available next cycle, because unlike Brian Harsin at Auburn, Matt Rule did have an offset in his contract to Carolina.
So whatever he makes in his next job comes out of the buyout. So he's making the same amount of money either way way so why don't I just go talk on ESPN for a year chill and then come back refreshed rejuvenated at a job that you you like a lot yeah and it's also for for me it's Matt rules a fantastic college coach I think even Baylor what he did at Baylor but what he did at Temple he had Temple to 10 wins like that's that's insane I don't care where they played getting temple to 10 wins like that doesn't just happen like the the manifesto works in college right right pepsi tastes like pepsi 100 of the time doesn't work yes but it's it's one of those things that he got the way he got fired in in carolina the stink on him from how bad they were it can all be erased by taking a year off and doing media and then you can get the real like because I think you can get any job he wants right now but he'd probably have to make some concessions and not you know what I mean it's not the perfect fit for him whereas he waits a year and it's it's everyone's gonna be like whoa remember Matt Rule like the Temple and Baylor years outweigh the Carolina Panther years he'll also be beloved on TV unlike most head coaches at that level he can have a a normal human conversation right and that makes you a star in TV yes that's true so all right so kind of a similar situation even though it might might not appear this way from the from the outside looking in uh what what happens with Penn State and James? Because James Franklin is a case where he's at a school where the expectations don't meet the reality.
And you could basically look at it one of two ways. You could say James Franklin isn't competing with Michigan and Ohio State anymore.
He won 11 games a couple times, but it was a while ago. Or you could say Michigan and Ohio State are just that much better, so we should just be happy that we're winning 9, 10 games and be good with that.
So where do you think that – like how do you think that all unfolds and where the Penn State fan base is sitting right now? The Penn State fan base is not happy. Not happy.
James Franklin did this new contract, and his salary is guaranteed 85% for the life of the contract. So they are not firing him anytime soon.
It's not Jimbo Fisher ironclad, but it's close enough. So nothing's happening to James Franklin.
Now, I will say I kind of split the difference there because the way he's recruited, it feels like next year could be one of those years for them so where they really are competitive with michigan and ohio state i'm curious what they do going forward this season do they do they go with drew aller the freshman at quarterback and just see where his ceiling is do they try to get him ready so that when he takes over next year and has you know talent around him that is more comparable to michigan and ohio state is he ready or do they stay with sean clifford for the rest of this year and then figure that all out in the offseason i think that's the more interesting question going forward and i kind of want to see how they play ohio state it's weird because that game against Michigan tracked with some of those games during a very good period for Penn State. In 2016 to 2018, they had really good teams that went to Michigan and got smashed.
2016, they beat Ohio State. 2018, they played them tough.
My guess, they play Ohio State tough again. And everybody's like, well, you know, they were kind of close there.
So it's, I guess it's all right, but no, they're not thrilled with James Franklin right now. I think they, they need to see some progress through the end of this year.
And then there is hope just judging by the way, the recruiting is gone that next year will be a little bit different. And it's so funny because in college football, you can have a loss that is okay with, you know, it's never okay for a lot of fan bases to lose, but the non-competitive losses in Michigan just, that was, I had the game very wrong.
They absolutely bullied them. Like as severe as you can bully a team, that's what Michigan did to Penn State.
And when it happens like that, it's just something about it feels different where you're like, whoa, we don't have a chance against these guys. That looked like a Michigan versus Rutgers, not a Michigan versus Penn State.
And that's when people are like, that loss is different than if Penn State went into Ann Arbor and lost by three in a thriller. I agree completely.
And it was weird that Penn State was ahead in that game 17-16.

It was mostly because they played some good red zone defense

and kept Michigan out of the end zone early.

But on the podcast, we had a bet on that game,

and I had taken Penn State plus seven, feeling pretty good about it,

and I had to eat $30 worth of Taco Bell on my show because of that.

Although, I will say, now, Sharon Moore, the O-line coach at Michigan,

of the good about it. I had to eat 30 bucks worth of Taco Bell on my show.
That's not because of that. Although I will say now, Sharon Moore, the O-line coach at Michigan, offensive coordinator who I am happy to give a lot of credit for this offensive renaissance at Michigan.
I kind of want to hug him because I'd never had those little Cinnabon things. Yeah, they're so good.
Oh my God. Taco Bell's great.
Those are crazy. Andy, have you ever had Taco Bell breakfast? I have not.
I was looking at that. I'm thinking I might have to con my co-host into another bet involving Taco Bell.
Just so I can do that. Take Rutgers against Michigan.
Be like, yeah, you know what? I like the Scarlet Knights at home in Piscataway. Let's run it back.
Let's go double or nothing, $60 worth, and then get like 10 breakfast crunch wraps with the sausage. will change your life those are the Cinnabon treats by the way Michigan I don't know if you agree with this but I so I had them wrong to begin the year because I you know they played absolutely no one Maryland was competitive with them and I was like that's weird like Maryland you know they're better than the Maryland, but still Michigan should be able to beat Maryland.

I'm now completely flipping.

I think they absolutely can beat Ohio State again because of the style they play and they just play that bully ball where if they're running the ball

and they're doing it, and I love a coach like Jim Harbaugh who's like,

if this is working, we're not stopping.

We don't care if we never throw the ball.

Winning is the most important thing.

I'm so excited for that game now because I thought all year it's going to be

All right. If this is working, we're not stopping.
We don't care if we never throw the ball. Winning is the most important thing.
I'm so excited for that game now because I thought all year it's going to be Ohio State's revenge. They're going to blow them out, everything.
Now it's like Michigan might still be those guys. Yeah, that style travels.
Yeah. It doesn't matter if you're having a good day, bad day, home, road.
That works pretty much everywhere. and you know I think And I think it's a better version of the one from last year.
Now, they don't have the same elite pass rushers they had on the other side of the ball, which is what allowed them to really get after C.J. Stroud.
I love the interior of Michigan's defensive line this year, but that offense I think is more dangerous because of J.J. McCarthy.
And I love the way Harbaugh handled that situation at the beginning of the year. He had what amounted to an NFL preseason in his non-conference schedule, and he used it like one.
He said, I'm going to give Cade McNamara the first game, I'm going to give J.J. McCarthy the second game, and we'll make a decision based on that.
The timing of that was intentional. Cade McNamara is coming off leading them to a Big Ten title, but you know you want to start J.J.
McCarthy. And I know Jim Harbaugh said it was biblical, wisdom of Solomon, who could have known.
No, I think he knew. Cade starts.
He's the opening day starter after leading to a Big Ten title. J.J.
comes in. You're like, oh, this is different.
And then everybody kind of accepts the reality and jj has not had to throw them to a win yet i thought what he said on saturday after the game was perfect he's like look if we're going to average like 7.6 yards a carry i'm happy to be along for the ride but i do think there may come a point where he has to i think he's capable of it yeah i think that's what makes them a little more interesting in a game against a better Ohio State like this Ohio State defense is a lot better than the one they played last year Jim Knowles the DC they hired this year worth every penny so they're going to need him if they want to beat Ohio State this time yeah yeah you were saying that the this style of football travels I think it travels it gets better over the course of the year as it gets colder outside as weather starts to become an actual thing that they have to deal with. But then once you get into the playoffs, I think they're in Arizona and then the college Arizona and Atlanta.
College football Mecca of Los Angeles for the championship game. So that'll be nice.
So that just spells disaster if Michigan does get into the playoff. I still don't know't know if they're necessarily equipped to deal with, with who they might see there.
If they had to play Georgia again, if they had to play Alabama, but I think they're getting closer and that's progress. Cause two years ago, we were ready to run off Harbaugh and we're like, he's, he's lost it.
There's no chance there. They're done for.
I think they've gotten better each of the past two years yeah yeah not not us we always had his back i like this style of football too it's the 90s are back we're going to just run the ball down your throat and there's our we got an offensive line built out of like feral hogs and there's nothing that you're going to be able to do stop it it's it's fun to watch when all you see is just like you know electric passing attacks everywhere else having variety is good i think I think. I want to talk about Texas real quick.
Their next three games, pretty tough games. How many of those games do you think Texas has to win in order for the fan base to feel real good, real good about the direction they're heading in going into next year? For the fan base to feel good, they need to win three of them realistically i think two would do this is one that that iowa state game yeah as frustrating as that probably was for texas fans be happy that represents progress because they should have lost that game and i think in the past over the past 10 years that's a game they would have lost so the fact that they're sitting there at five and two right now, they lost again, they shouldn't have against Texas tech, but then they got in a situation again against Iowa state where they should have lost, but they didn't.
And I think that that's progress, but Oklahoma state K state, both of those on the road, both incredibly tough places to play. If you've never been to a game at Boone's picking stadium or Bill Snyder family stadium, like if if your team happens to be going there at a conference and you're like i don't know if i want to make no make the trip i'm telling you right now those are great places to watch a game if they can be two and one in this stretch i'm i'm ready to start thinking maybe that they could be back next year because i look at the young offensive linemen they brought in that they've had to plug in and play.
Those guys are getting better, and they were pretty good to start with. I can't even imagine second year that leap.
This is starting to look like a team that actually meets its recruiting ranking at some point, and that's just not what Texas has been. They've been a team that they would bring in these guys.
They were highly tied to recruits and then none of them would make it to the NFL. And they would just kind of, you know, they'd have a decent game against a good team every once in a while, or maybe surprise Oklahoma, but then they'd lose to Iowa state or they lose to TCU.
They feel different now, but they've got to prove it.

They've got to prove it in this stretch.

Let's say they beat Oklahoma State and K-State and lose to TCU.

I don't think there's any shame in that.

TCU's really good this year, but this is the step they need to take. Two and one in this stretch would show me they're taking the steps they need

to be in a position next year to maybe compete for the Big 12 title. I mean I I love TCU the way they play this year uh and that game against uh Oklahoma State it was too bad that it got over well it was the Alabama Tennessee game was was like all time but I was watching both the same time I was like this is a great game what TCU is doing to come back in this game uh last conference I want to talk about, obviously ACC, Clemson.
So a couple weeks ago I was like, take Clemson 16-1 to win the national championship. They're not going to win it, but at that number they're going to get there.
It's already down to 10-1. Is there a chance they could even get to the final? Because I've watched most of their games.
The Wake Forest game was crazy. They had a lot of defensive backs out.
Sam Hartman played out of his goddamn mind. It was incredible.
I do think once Clemson gets a little more healthy on defense, they are going to be right up there with everyone else in terms of just the way they play defense. And DJ Ungulele is actually not so bad anymore.
That's a nice thing to say. Oh, no, I've changed my mind.
I'd say in the past four weeks, I've gone from a DJ Ungulele doubter to DJ's good. He's just good.
There was a play he made in the Florida State game where they sent a corner blitz, and the guy's got him dead to rights. And it's like the guy realizes as he gets within two feet of DJ, holy crap, this guy is 6'5", 245.
And DJ just kind of sidesteps him and uncorks a beauty down the sideline. And he just wasn't throwing that confidently last year.
This is a different person that we're seeing this year. And I admit I was wrong on him.
He has really grown up, and I love watching that offense play now. Now, defensively, you're right.
They had some guys out. I think their defensive line is nasty enough, actually, that if they get in the playoff, they might be able to beat somebody in the playoff.
Because, again, we talk about things that travel. Well, Brian Brissi and Tyler Davis travel.
Those guys are fantastic. And so I think they have the pieces to actually compete for a national title.
Whether they can put it all together is another question. They've got Syracuse this week.
Syracuse is undefeated. I think Clemson's almost a two-touchdown favorite.
My guess is they flex on Syracuse, and then we forget about them for the rest of the year. They keep on winning, and then they show up at a semifinal, and the other team's like, oh, crap.
Yeah. They might be better than us.
That's kind of my whole thought process. They have the dudes.
Your co-host, Ari, Stars Matter. They have the stars.
It was just last year was a down year. They won 10 games.
Their offensive line sucked. DJ sucked.
DJ also, that Notre Dame game screwed him so bad when he filled in for Trevor Lawrence and lit the world on fire and everyone's expectations for him went sky high. And then he had last year and everyone's like, this guy stinks.
Now we're getting to see kind of the middle ground here. And he's pretty good.
He will miss like one or two throws a game that you'll be like, what the fuck is going on with him? But that's also an expectation of a five star that's probably probably unfair yeah and then the the number of misses

has come down right and then the the thing is those are made up for by he's now gonna make three four throws a game where you go how did he do that right and you didn't do you never said that last year but like that wake forest game he had two throws in overtime they're like i don't know if anybody else can make that. Yeah.
Yeah.

Andy, give me the ultimate chaos scenario

that He had two throws in overtime. They're like, I don't know if anybody else can make that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Andy, give me the ultimate chaos scenario that we can look forward to as the rankings start to come out. Give me one that'll just like, that'll piss everyone off.
I want you to say the words, and I want to just think to myself, oh, my God, that would be awesome. Well, there'd be one group of people that would be happy about this, and they tend to be pretty annoying when they're happy.
So just be ready for that. But everybody else would hate this.
All right, here we go. So Tennessee and Georgia play an absolute classic.
Nine overtimes. Anybody could win based on the bounce of the ball georgia wins tennessee wins the rest of their games ole miss and alabama and oxford play an absolute classic alabama wins with a walk-off field goal or in overtime something like that it's close i know where this is going and i already hate alabama goes to atlanta to face undefeated georgia beats them close i'm just saying people are asking could alabama georgia tennessee and ole miss be the playoff? Yeah.
Ohio State loses to Penn State, beats the shit out of Michigan, and then Illinois beats Ohio State and Indianapolis. You got that.
And then the Pac-12 will take care of itself. Somebody's going to knock off TCU.
Clemson loses Syracuse this weekend. And then South Carolina just plays the game of its life and wins that makes that a rivalry again.
It's all coming together for the SEC. That plucky little SEC might just be their year.
JMU dominates Marshall and goes on the road to Louisville, kicks the shit out of them maybe they sneak in oh well listen i don't know as scott frost will tell you losing to clay helton's georgia southern just just not great for your future prospects no it's not good i said that i would cut my penis off if they made the college football playoff this year um a lot of people didn't realize that they're a solid bet when you make the playoff the rules are in your favor yes yes um all right so andy i got one last question roback question and he's wearing roback right now q's if listen i was i was wearing roback when i caught a pass in the texas a&m alabama that's right one-handed catch and i'm pretty sure it was because of my roback hoodie hell yes so go to roback.com r-B-A-C-K, use code TAKE for 20% off. I'm wearing the joggers right now.
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I feel like this has been the year where because Nebraska fired Scott Frost, they just get to be in every conversation, college football conversation. It's actually the most relevant Nebraska's been in a long time.
They just had to fire their coach to have it happen. Where do you think it is right now? Like if you had to circle, I loved your idea of Jeff Monk and going to Nebraska and them just running the triple option on steroids.
But if you had to guess right now, where are they leaning and who are they looking for I think Lance Leopold would would be your favorite he's the the Kansas coach and did a great job now if if Wisconsin's really open if they are not just going to elevate Jim Leonard that might be where Lance Leopold would land he's from Wisconsin Wisconsin guy coached at Wisconsin Whitewater won a bunch of D3 national titles there but you know Kansas is going to try to keep him they're going to do everything they can to try to keep him and throw a bunch of money at him but I think when you look at a guy who's built like that it makes a lot of sense because he has Kansas was a bigger dumpster fire when he got there than Nebraska is now yep and that's saying something and the fact that he turned it around as quickly as he did, well, it's not that different from a recruiting footprint standpoint or anything else. He understands the lay of the land very well.
So that's one I would look at. I still think Matt Campbell can coach.
I know all the Iowa State people are out on him now and everybody's like, well, he missed his window. If you can make Iowa State win nine games in a season you're a good coach like you know what the hell you're doing and again similar recruiting footprint similar kind of builder I think that's a guy they should look at I know I know there's a lot of shine off him right now but I guarantee if they'd have beaten Texas this weekend everybody been like well it like, well, it's Matt Campbell's job to lose now.

So that's another one, I think.

And I hope Mickey Joseph gets a shot.

He's the interim coach right now.

He's got him playing better.

And you know what?

If he keeps him playing better and then decide, no, we don't want to hire you,

I hope Mickey Joseph gets Colorado

because I think he's showing

he's worthy of a head coaching job.

Yeah.

You didn't mention Urban Meyer,

so that's off the table.

I'm guessing Urban feels like

he could do a little better.

Oh,

Thank you. He's showing he's worthy of a head coaching job.
Yeah. You didn't mention Urban Meyer, so that's off the table? I'm guessing Urban feels like he could do a little better.
Oh, okay. Okay.
Maybe Notre Dame's open in a couple years. That was a bad loss to Stanford.
I just want to will Notre Dame and Urban Meyer because it would be the funniest marriage of all time. I think we missed our window in 2004 going to 2005 when the when the notre dame jet landed in salt lake city yeah but florida's athletic director had already basically made the deal yeah it was it was over then i feel like that's a marriage even even notre dame would not approve of no no they wouldn't there's a bridge too far but urban meyer is that guy he's that he's the one guy out there where it's like do you want want to win a national title? Because you probably will.
I don't know if they will. I'm not sure how Urban's management style works in the era of NIL and the transfer portal.
Yeah, true. It's a lot more like working in the NFL now.
Mm-hmm. I just think, yeah.
We know college coaches just realized that it doesn't work in the NFL. The only person that made it work was probably Pete Carroll, right? It was Pete Carroll.
And, you know, the revisionist history of if Drew Brees had passed his physical, Nick Saban would still be in the NFL right now. Yeah.
Yeah, there's that. I guess Jimmy Johnson, right? That kind of worked out.
Yeah, that worked. And probably could have kept working, except Jerry wanted to bring in Barry Switzer.
Yeah, I guess you could say Barry Switzer, too, if you're just going off Super Bowl wins. You just say that.
Barry Switzer had a Larry Koker-esque experience, though. Yes.
If you just say, did they win a Super Bowl? Yes. The answer is yes.
Barry Switzer was a resounding success in a perfect job. Okay, well, Andy, thank you as always.
It's been a very fun college football season. It feels like there was so much hand-wringing with NIL and stuff, and now we get to watch these games.
That's been my main point forever is, like, everyone gets upset about the conference, the NIL. When the games are on, you're going to watch because there's nothing like it.
It's the whole offseason because the offseason is so long. We get into the weeds of all this crap and and i always tell the people because they'll yell at me i'm never watching this again now the guys are getting money or i did too many buyouts and all that shut up what are you gonna do on saturdays yeah exactly games you're gonna watch some college football absolutely yeah it does serve a valuable purpose which is it gives people an excuse if their team loses it's Like, what see nil bullshit yes yes um i'm out yeah i'm out i'm out i don't want to watch this anymore andy thank you so much and uh appreciate you coming on and we'll talk soon all right see you guys andy staples is brought to you by chevy we are starting to see pretenders and contenders emerging after the first month of the nfl.
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One question with the quarterback. PFT, I'm going to let you ask

the first question of Joe. Thank you.
Yeah, we have to be very efficient with these questions

because we only get one. So I'll just tell people, check out the Joe Burrow Foundation.

I'll give you that plug right off the bat because I'm a nice guy. My question for you is if you could get one guy for the month of December and the playoffs, so you get him for the playoffs too to join the Bengals, between Odell Beckham, LeBron James at tight end, or Harambe is alive again and he's playing defensive end and he's doing

a three-man rotation with Trey and Sam Hubbard.

Who are you taking?

You got to take Harambe, right?

Yeah.

I mean, the strength to weight ratio is just way higher than humans.

You got to get after the quarterback in the playoffs.

You have to be able to heat him up.

You got to take Josh Allen or Mahomes.

I think the only person that's taking Josh Allen down

is probably a silverback gorilla.

Yeah.

I mean, that's an easy seven sacks a game, I'm sure.

I think we're kind of sleeping, too.

Harambe could probably play two ways.

You could probably have him as your left tackle as well

if you needed him.

It depends on how great his cardio is. That's true.
That's a a good point yeah like does he have all the current injuries that he currently has yeah because if so um you'd probably run out of breath pretty quick yeah each back i like that yeah um okay that was a good question all right joe my question is this season um you guys are are seem to be writing the path you you had your uh appendix taken out before the season have there been any times this season where you've made a throw and you're like damn if i had my appendix like i would have that throw would have been good uh no not specifically it was definitely took some time to uh get back to where I was pre-surgery,

but I'm feeling good now, so I think we're going to get it rolling.

Okay.

Yeah, I'm not a doctor or a scientist.

I just was curious if you make a throw and you're like,

oh, man, if I just had a little bit more of my body, internal organs,

that throw might have been a completion.

Yeah, you never know.

You never know. Okay.
You don't have as much guts to to spill that's kind of the problem yeah sabermetrically yeah um billy did you want do you have a question billy go ahead oh wait hold on billy's mic's not on we're turning billy's mic on he's got a question this is always scary when billy has to ask a question hey joe uh quick question there's a clip going around the internet i want to get your take on it. There was a cough that happened during a press conference.
I saw you were getting a lot of unfair flack about it and just wanted to hear your side of the story because it's important. I was what? What was the last part? Well, it's important because you're getting a lot of flack on the internet.
That's not a question, Billy. You have to ask a question.
His question is, can he hear your side of the story of it? With the cough. Yeah.
I honestly don't even remember if I was reacting to the cough. I could have been.
I do a lot of press conferences. It was a while ago.
I barely remember it. So I don't even know.
I don't think I was reacting to the cough i think it was reacting to something else when was this press conference uh people were saying that uh he was scared of a cough oh okay so he billy just basically was like are you a lib do you still think covet exists frightened of are you asking if i'm frightened of loud noises with without the appendix immunocompromisation we don't know we don't know you never know I guess I'll have to be open ended for the discussions next time we have you on Billy's question will be do you think COVID is real I wish we had longer to discuss this topic Joe do you have a question for us to finish this off um big cat how many donuts did you eat this weekend oh man uh so i got a little i was at a wedding on friday got a little banged up um so it was a lot it was i i get six and then i usually will just take a bite of all of them is this a i feel'm not actually going to not – I'm not going to answer. I'm not going to implicate myself anymore.
This is bullshit. All the LSU guys just call me that.
You put me on the spot, and so I throw out a question. What do you want from me? Okay.
All right. That's fair.
I just – I feel like the LSU guys, they're just really – they're really – I'm going to LSU this weekend. It's going to be great.
It'll be great. Yeah.
It's always fun. Yeah.
It's going to be a great time. Fred's.
It's going it's gonna be uh it's gonna be sick everyone should come out to the show um all right i think we we're out of questions uh unless anyone else in the room oh jake has a question all right last question from jake hey joe jake marsh part of my take podcast which shows you enjoy more this one or calling Colin Coward's? Good question.

Good question.

I enjoy both of them equally.

That's not true.

Let me see him that he's a fake soup guy.

He doesn't really like soup.

What does that mean?

He pretends that he likes soup, but I guarantee if you ask Colin Coward to name six soups

off the top of his head, he's going to be

running to goop. He doesn't

actually like soup. You want me to name six soups off the top of his head, he's going to be running to Google.
He doesn't actually like

soup. I think he's going to name six soups off

the top of your head. You want me to name six right now?

Six. Okay.
Minestrone.

We're going to go

loaded baked potato.

Manhattan clam chowder. New England

clam chowder. We're counting

chowders. Okay, then I'll

do chowder then. Ramen.
I'm going to go

with pho, and I'm going to go with Avgo soup the uh the greek lemon chicken soup my personal favorite chowder counts too chowder dude joe you just got dunked on yeah that was bad that was bad for you that was really bad for you come at the king you best not miss yeah uh max did you have a question maybe check your phone see if you have a question last question for joe this See if you have a question. Last question for Joe.
This is from Max, our producer. Hey, Joe.
Pardon my take podcast here. Did you pick one show? If you could pick one show for the rest of his life or else you die, which show would you pick? Ours or Coward's? Answering that question.
That was a good question, Max. All right.
Well, Joee thank you for joining us for one question with the quarterback we got to have you back on for a real interview sometime soon and uh best of luck with the rest of the season man we love watching you yeah sounds good guys appreciate it all right thanks joe joe burrow is brought to you by zip recruiter in the latest news news, Halloween is expected to be epic this year, so party supply stores had to hire tens of thousands of workers. They needed everyone from supervisors to stockers to keep up with the sales of fake blood, fangs, and other frightening costumes and accessories.
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Let's wrap up the show. By the way, every time I try to type Schwarber, this is how much I love the guy in my phone on Twitter.
It's just always capitalizes because that's just how fucking awesome he is uh what are we doing FAQs and guys on chicks yeah let's do it Hank hey fellas do you think Max could beat Billy up I saw him easily out benching Billy and he had the Philly rage that Billy can't contend with as a soft hand New Yorker also please say Thailand never out benched me Thanks, Big T. Meat Spin.
Love Meat Spin. Okay.
Max never out-benched me at all. Here's the thing.
I've witnessed both Billy and Max bench on the same day. And the fact is, Max put up the full rack of weights with ease on the very same day that Billy did not get the full bench up.
That is not true at all. That is just not true.
On that day, it was true, Billy. We just lie on the podcast.
We just lie on the podcast. We just lie.
No, we made a sheet about it. I bitched as much as you did that day, which was 255.
All 50 does is eat hot shit and lie. All he does is make people do bets they didn't agree to and lie.
Okay, I was going to say, I like this question because there's a 0% chance that Billy doesn't end up triggered. But keep going.
Well, I was going to say, the only other thing I would say, just for the, like, can confirm from the question, is that Max does have those, like, blue-collar Philly hands with calluses. Like, he doesn't even really do, like, manuals.
And Billy does have the cells on his have the hands on the podcast he still has calluses like all over his hands and and it's confirmed we did a test billy has the softest hands on the podcast yeah also one time i this is no joke i walked past max one day when he was editing he was doing like a working lunch at his desk and he was eating the biggest steak that i've ever seen just with a knife at work it It was pretty cool. Yeah.
I mean, Max is pretty much everything that Billy wants to be. Max, why don't you speak some truth to the people? You just want to call me fat so bad right now I can just see it in your face.
No, I don't want to call you fat. I don't want to call you fat.
That's not what I'm saying. Did you ever bench more than 275, which we both did? We both did that.
True. See? No, no.
That's some facts on the podcast. That is true.
Thanks, Max. But then we both went to 290, and I didn't get it, but you got stuffed immediately, and I was like, yeah.
So Max can bench 285 and Billy can't. No, we tried.
Neither of us did 285. Yeah, correct.
But he did it. He did 275 harder than you did.
Yeah. Yes.
Yeah. Okay.
I'll give him that, but we both did it. Also, he's strong.
There was that one day that Billy didn't do 275, though. Because I was.
Yeah. Well, you didn't let him PFC.
That was your fault.

Next question.

The good thing is, Billy,

you didn't take any of this as a joke,

which it was meant to be a joke.

I think actually that Max after a Phillies win

versus Billy after a Jets loss would be...

That would be a battle for the ages.

How do y'all navigate around criticizing either past guests or guests you want to have on in the future?

Oh, I saw...

F***er went viral the other day.

He's a piece of shit.

What did he go viral for?

He went viral for saying that Bill Murray was mean to them or he didn't like them to mean to like chris farley he came back to like guest host snl that's a shame we should we should bleep we should bleep the name that i said there and just leave in all the context so we never said that i never said that i never said that um i think we're actually pretty good yeah yeah we we are you can usually figure out exactly who we're defending because they've been on the podcast i don't think that we really make that we don't really try to hide our biases we're openly biased yeah and and and more than that i mean we have taken from day one pft and i hank all like agreed like this is a podcast that is we want people to come on on, have fun and come back, not play gotcha. So we've even protected guests before we've even some of our favorite guests.
We cut things out that they didn't even realize they said like, we'll, we, we want everyone. We don't want people to just get bad publicity that doesn't really serve the podcast and doesn't make anything funnier or fun.
So, um, and then the few people that we don't like, you can pretty much figure out because we talk about them all the time. Like Dan Marino.
Yeah. All right.
We're going to, I think next week we're going to do Jimbo's by the way. We're going to bring them back.
So try not to send, send real ones. It's been enough time.
Hell yeah. Yeah.
I have a question. There's just not, me and me sent me like three questions and two of them are are not even good.
Hank, I have a question real quick. What are Jimbo's? Jimbo's are from Jimbo.
Not Jimbo Fisher. Jim Tomsula.
Jim Tomsula. Jim Tomsula.
That's what he called his fuck up. So he would say, you know, I fucked up and just call it a Jimbo.
So in the early days of this show. If I was supposed to run.
Yeah, if I was supposed to to run when I was a pat when I was supposed to run when it was clearly um a running down and I passed that's a Jimbo that's on me and he would just own up to it and be like in the early days of the show I think it was on Fridays like before fire fest we would talk about our biggest fuck ups of the week and then have people submit fuck ups there's the classic pizza hut fuck up uh and soup. We did those for a while, but then people started sending bad ones, so we stopped.
But we're going to bring them back because these epic users are now bad. You know what? We'll put in...
Maybe we should re-release on our YouTube the best Jimbo's, which the Pizza Hut one. Just put that up there as a short so people can get an idea.
Maybe the hardest I've ever laughed. Give you an idea of what Jimbo's were.
It was one of those things that then became people were just making stuff up, but we do day one AWL's know that Jimbo's were great at the beginning, so we'll try to reclaim that glory. And shout out Billy for coming up with that idea.
He said Jimbo. Jimbo's has just always been one of my favorite OG segments that I just used.
That's how I fell in love with the show. Oh.
Way back. Sup, fellas? That's for a mincey voice.
Where do you guys see the show going in the future? It seems like you guys have got most of the white whale interviews. Is there a way you guys plan on keeping ideas fresh and exciting or just going with the flow? Especially with Chicago and the horizon.
Thanks. We're actually going to take the show into the metaverse next year.'s going to be exclusively in the metaverse so buy your 75 000 helmet from mark zuckerberg okay real answer um we do still have some white whales out there and i know that obviously you know we we don't try to delve too far into comment sections everything because it will poison your brain and it does keep us fresh.
You can see Billy's brain freshly poisoned every day. But I would say that, yes, there are some repetitive nature to the show, but the non-repetitive nature is the sports.
That's what keeps it fresh. Sports are always, there's always a different sports story.
There's always, you know, the seasons change. And that's why I love doing the show because I like talking sports with you guys.
So it's like, you know, when every year, like when football season ends, it's a little sad, but it's also like, Hey, I'm ready to talk about a different sport. And then we go to something else.
And then summertime, it's like, let's do something different. Let's do Mount Rushmore.
So I feel like the calendar year in its own keeps us fresh. It's funny.
Cause there's always like one that'll be like fastest two minutes is the worst. I skip forward through it every single week.
But you look at everybody else that listens to the show and they're like, yeah, we intentionally skip the Jets, the Packers. Who else do we intentionally skip? The Ravens.
Yeah, Ravens. I think I realize that.
It's because whenever the Bears lose, I don't put them in. Only because the Jets have won, I think, is like people are like Jets fans

are like listening.

Like, why don't you put the Jets in?

It's like I've never seen that before ever.

But it's only because they're good in the past two weeks.

And we've said it a million times.

The fast two minutes are pretty much random.

Like we pick eight to nine games.

And sometimes we even pick a game, start it, have nothing good, and then go to the next game and just be like let's just do not do this game so it's we will do i actually kind of want to not do the jets well we did that we did that a couple years ago i forget what team that we did that we just intentionally never included the entire city maybe it was the dolphins i think it might have been the dolphins yeah we should know what we should do? Let's, let's do this. We will include the jets in every fastest two minutes when they lose and never include them when they win.
I like that. That will get people so mad.
And if you're listening to this right now, you know, we're doing this intentionally to piss people off. But yeah, the, what PFT was saying is right.
Like you could find, I, if you wanted to just dig deep into the the internet you could find a complaint about everything that this show has ever done about each one of us a million times over but i think for the majority of listeners the vast majority of listeners they enjoy the show and uh we love them for that so that we you can't listen to the three percent one percent that uh will pick apart every thing that you say. Also, Chicago will be a game changer, too.
I think that will naturally be sick. Everything will be fresh just based off of us being in a new place and a new office.
Yeah, the offices are going to be sick. And by the way, the 1% that do pick apart everything we say, I actually don't even hate them because it fills their day with their day with something.
Well, it also hark on everything that we say. It's like they have to listen to everything who's actually listening.
Like that's the person that is paying the most attention is a person that's able to pick everything apart. Right.
And I do, especially in football season, because we talk about every team and we talk about the entire league. So we're not experts about any specific team and we will get the experts chime in about their specific team being like, you got this wrong.
It's like, you know what? I probably did because we're doing a fucking big view of everything. So you're right.
I didn't know that like the left tackle went out in the second quarter and that changed the outcome of the game. Exactly.
They'll be like Raheem Mostert actually didn't get any touches in the third quarter. And I'll be like, yeah, I, or they watch the games I'll be like kind of yeah it was on one of the TVs and I was watching it I think we do a pretty good job for talking about all of them and having no expertise whatsoever yep except for Billy yeah that was it oh that was it oh I had one more there was one sent to me.
Yeah. That was it.
Oh, that was it. Oh, I had one more.
There was one sent to me. Let's see.
Where was it? Let's do. Okay.
This one was, hi, long time AWL. I have an FAQ.
With years of doing the show three times a week i was wondering if after all those shows has hank

ever guessed the correct number of the ping pong ball machine thanks hank no no that's too bad that's too bad dude oh did you guys see the story that just came out about uh jerry jones and Robert Kraft

what is Billy's face right now

nuts Did you guys see the story that just came out about Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft? What is Billy's face right now? It's like Walter and Violet Beauregard and Willy Wonka, which turns blue. Oh, no, that's just a – no, Mitzi's going nuts in the apartment over, and I don't know what he's yelling about.
Wait, what was the story, PFT? Jerry Jones is trying to take money out of Roger Goodell's's pocket again trying to redo his contract because he thinks he makes too much money and uh robert craft was uh was disagreeing with him because robert craft loves roger goodell goodell was at his wedding i think that was kind of weird um and then jerry jones just screamed at him don't fuck with me and then craft was like excuse me and jones clarified and said don't mess with me i love all this shit and jim or say you're you're uh you're you're white knight yeah oh my god he's out and it's so great because everyone's like wow jim or say he's got bald no jim or say literally every bad thing he's ever done is public so dan snyder can't do anything to him it's actually perfect it's kind of the dave portnoy method where it's like everything that he's done is out there. You can't find something that he hasn't already talked about.
So I thank you, Jim Ursae. Actually, I DMed him earlier today.
I was like, thank you, sir, for standing up for what's right. And he thumbs-dupped it.
Oh, hell yes. If Jim Ursae, if he can get Dan Snyder out, I will get a will get i will get a colts fan i will the colts will be my afc team for sure like i will i will root almost as hard for the colts and they'll probably get it'll be nice too because the colts will get quarterbacks that the commanders will get just like one year before yeah and then they'll filter through i will become a colts fan in the afc if jim ursay does this and i think he's going to because you've never heard an owner say anything like this before it just doesn't happen he was like yeah i think we need to get him out i think we need to force him so fuck yeah jim ursay i've always said jim ursay is what i think i would be like if you gave me like a billion dollars buy every guitar out there get like crazy crazy amps and like pieces of americana jam out with all your musical heroes and then own a football team and then not be drug guys not be drug guys and then once a week you just send off a tweet being like yeah the roof's open there you go my job's done i fucking love jimbers i always have jimbo i love you please do the right thing for for the league for the colts for Colts, and for America.
I'm rooting for this just so that you can just be ride or die with the Colts and then have to explain it any time anyone asks. You're a Commanders and Colts fan? You're like, well, how much time you got? Yeah.
No, I mean, it would be huge. I've said that I would get a tattoo of whatever.
I've said a lot of things about what I would do for Dan Snyder. You'd cut your off you said if you got i never said i said i would cut my dick off if jmu uh won or was invited to the playoff and then that sick fuck darren revell tweeted out i've never rooted harder for a team including northwestern before what a fucking freak darren revell is being like you know what he wants to do is he wants to buy it.
It's memorabilia. Yeah.

He would definitely.

I own over one piece of PFT's body.

Yeah.

Over half of a piece of PFT's body.

Okay.

Number.

So, Hank, you've not gotten this, right?

No.

Okay.

Just making sure. I wanted to answer that person's question I'll go 37 91 I don't think this I don't want to do this one come on let's go you can't win if you don't's not going to cheat.
Hank, I'll run over to your house and celebrate with you.

Hank, this is one step closer to you getting that $5,000.

Come on.

17.

No, 5.

Oh.

5.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

Can I change mine to 17? Can you guys see it clearly?

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

Memes has 6.

17.

Oh, no no Jake said attention

Perfect posture

93

93

Wow, that would have been electric if it was 17

Alright, we'll see everyone on Friday

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