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Speaker 1 On today's Pardon My Take, we have our good friend Andy Staples on to talk college football. One question with the quarterback with Joe Burrow after his return to Louisiana.

Speaker 1 We have some Monday night football recap to talk about. Russell Wilson, it's gotten somehow worse.

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Speaker 1 Today is Wednesday, October 19th.

Speaker 1 And the Broncos have somehow gone from bad to worse. Monday night football.
I actually, I'm going to say this, and I know this people will be like, oh, you're just saying this to be opposite.

Speaker 1 I enjoy having the Broncos on primetime football because every time it's a story. It's bad football, but you see something new every time, and

Speaker 1 it's a weird story.

Speaker 1 And we had an overtime last night that was tied 16-16 that had 16 plays for 16 yards, no first downs, and the Chargers win off of a muff punt, never getting a first down in overtime.

Speaker 1 And the Broncos are as rock bottom as it gets.

Speaker 4 So there's the old Kevin Clark tweet for the program about the Seahawks. Like the Seahawks have never played a normal game.
The problem wasn't the Seahawks. The problem was Russell Wilson.

Speaker 4 It follows him wherever he goes. And he always plays hilarious brands of football.
You see, like you said, like brand new shit that you haven't seen at all. So I tuned in.

Speaker 4 I was able to catch the fourth quarter and overtime yesterday. So I'm remote right now, dealing with some real life, like family, personal stuff.

Speaker 4 But I was able to tune in for the fourth quarter. I was following along on my phone.
I was so confused because in the first half, I was like, Russell Wilson, holy shit, he's back.

Speaker 4 He's fixed everything in the first half, just lighting it up. And then he went backwards somehow in the second half.

Speaker 4 I think they had like negative 13 yards

Speaker 4 cumulative passing in the second half for Russell Wilson. So they stopped doing everything that was working.
I was very confused watching it.

Speaker 4 And then as he goes into overtime, I'm like, what's wrong with Dustin Hopkins? Their kicker can't kick. He's got one leg.
Russell Wilson is going out there and just,

Speaker 4 he's not able to pass the ball physically. I don't think he was hurt.
I think his brain is hurt at this point. I think that when people say, is there something wrong with Russell Wilson?

Speaker 4 I think, yes, there is. I think mentally he's a broken man.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 he is hurt because we had, we're now getting the full court press from Russell Wilson's PR team through NFL reporters because we had the report from Tom Pellisaro that was, this was the concern pending test today.

Speaker 1 Russell Wilson plays through pretty much everything, but his health will be worth monitoring again on a short week leading up to Sunday's game.

Speaker 1 And then Ian Rappaport quote-to- and said, after the MRI, Russell Wilson is considered day-to-day, source said. It's a real injury and he's in real pain, but he's pushing to play.

Speaker 1 That was one of those reports that came directly from an agent. It's a real injury

Speaker 1 and he's in real pain. Just so that we all know, Russell Wilson playing so shitty that everyone is regretting the $250 million contract he got.

Speaker 1 You got to know that he's in real pain and it's a real injury, and he will play through it.

Speaker 4 And my real girlfriend lives in Canada, and she's a real model.

Speaker 1 It was so funny seeing that tweet and being like, well, that's very predictable. And

Speaker 1 yeah, the game was PFT, the game was insane.

Speaker 1 It was insane on both sides because you not only had Russell Wilson, who came out and looked good for the first, I don't know, quarter and a half, threw a touchdown pass, like kind of looked like old Russell Wilson scrambling around a little, but then it just devolved into neither team being able to do anything.

Speaker 1 You had Justin Herbert throw for 57 attempts for 238 yards and no touchdowns. He basically, like the Broncos defense is very good.

Speaker 1 And so it was Justin Herbert's throwing dump downs, check downs, and then Russell Wilson not being able to do anything and like multiple times having blitzes come that no one blocked and he would just get absolutely smushed.

Speaker 1 And the overtime, like I said, I know that this is going to be, people are going to be like, you're trying to go against the grain.

Speaker 1 But if you watch that game, it was so stupid and it was so similar to the Colts game, Broncos, Colts. It was so stupid and it became so hilariously bad that it's interesting.

Speaker 1 I'd rather have a high-scoring game. I'd rather have Derek Carr versus Patrick Mahomes all day.

Speaker 1 But there's something about a Broncos primetime game that is fascinating to watch because it's just a car crash for 60 minutes plus last night.

Speaker 1 Nathaniel Hackett doing dumb shit, Russell Wilson not being able to figure it out, and their defense being elite, and it all just winds up as the Broncos 2-4.

Speaker 4 Do the Broncos ever practice blitz pickups? Because from what I saw in the fourth quarter and overtime, they were just, they were rushing guys up the middle the entire time. What's his name?

Speaker 4 Drew Tranquil was just not being touched. They just weren't touching him.
And then Russell Wilson would drop back and immediately get sacked. It's like, okay, maybe

Speaker 4 put somebody back there to chip. Maybe put an extra tight end in.

Speaker 4 Maybe do something anything different on offense to try to pick up this blitz blitz because they weren't, it seemed like they weren't even trying at that point.

Speaker 4 It seemed like Nathaniel Hackett was pissed off at Russell Wilson. It was like, okay, you're really hurt.
Okay, I'm going to put you in real pain then.

Speaker 4 I'm just going to get your ass kicked for the entire fourth quarter and overtime. It was, it was very bizarre seeing that.
And like you compare Nathaniel Hackett to

Speaker 4 like what's going on with the New York Giants and all the small things that we keep talking about.

Speaker 4 That's the type of thing like figuring out how to how to pick up blitzes and how to make adjustments over the course of a game like Like Nathaniel Hackett might be an offensive guru, and I like Nathaniel Hackett.

Speaker 4 I want to have him back on the show. Nice guy, very nice guy.
I want to root for him. His son thinks Blake Bortles has a huge penis, great family.

Speaker 4 But you also have to be like, wait, this is something that you're just not prepared for at all. Just because you're a good offensive coordinator doesn't mean you know how to do all this stuff.

Speaker 4 There was another part in overtime.

Speaker 4 I think we might have seen the best catch that never counted. Mike Williams.
That Mike Williams diving catch on the sideline.

Speaker 4 I could not believe that he hauled that in. And I think he might have touched his toe down.

Speaker 4 They only showed it like once, but

Speaker 4 I think if they had like the NBC at angle or whatever it is for ESPN, where they zoom in, I think his left foot touched the, and it's tough to say, like, if your foot touches like a blade of that fake grass, does that count?

Speaker 4 Or does it have to hit like the

Speaker 4 rubber pellets for it to count? Because I think he grazed the grass.

Speaker 1 And the craziest part about that catch wasn't even the catch. It's the fact that that's how good Pat Sertan is.

Speaker 1 That Mike Williams didn't do anything last night because Pat Sertan just locked him down.

Speaker 1 That Mike Williams had to make maybe the best catch of his career that didn't count to even have a chance to make an impact.

Speaker 1 I think I saw a stat that Pat Sertan's given up like 150 yards this season as a primary defender. Like he just completely locks down a side of the field.
And that Broncos defense, like

Speaker 1 the other the other thing we had, and

Speaker 1 I know we pick on Russell Wilson, but it has been a big storyline in this NFL season, especially because they've been playing on primetime so much.

Speaker 1 But at halftime, they showed the entire Broncos team going to the locker room, and Russell Wilson was standing outside the locker room, essentially making everyone high-five him.

Speaker 1 And the body language was not great. It was not great.
And it feels like with the way the Broncos defense is playing, there have to be some pretty pissed off dudes in that locker room that are like,

Speaker 1 how do we not win these games when we hold down Justin Herbert? He has to throw 57 times to get 200 yards.

Speaker 1 Like when we make Matt Ryan look like he should retire and we keep losing these games because Russell Wilson can't make the plays that he was paid to come to Denver and make.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think he just makes everybody around him uneasy. Everybody's got a friend like that in their life or like an acquaintance, somebody that maybe you're in a class with that just bad vibes.

Speaker 4 And Russell Wilson is a freak athlete, so he kind of skates by a lot of that stuff.

Speaker 4 But if like Russell Wilson, if his brain was born into Michael Sarah's body, he would be writing a manifesto somewhere. He would be like completely shunned and he would not have any friends.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. And it feels like it's,

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess now that we can do the injury thing, like I, Dion actually called this last week. He's like, Russell Wilson will definitely say that he has an injury if he plays bad.

Speaker 1 And it does feel like this is a situation where Russell Wilson could, if it keeps going bad, be like, I'm out for the year and just do a fresh start.

Speaker 1 And I actually wouldn't blame him because a fresh start is almost what this team needs because it's the vibes have been so bad and the games have been so bad.

Speaker 1 And you even think about the games they won because they've won two games. They beat the Texans and that was closer than it should have been.

Speaker 1 And then remember, they beat the Niners because Jimmy Garoppolo, Dan Orlovsky's himself. So it's not just like the losses are bad.

Speaker 1 The wins haven't been like they haven't had one good game of football through six weeks.

Speaker 1 And we also are now getting the old-fashioned, it happens every year where everyone complains about the NFL product.

Speaker 1 For the first time, I kind of see it, not because the games are so bad. I just don't think there's more than three or four really good teams.

Speaker 1 Like, when you think about the really good teams, the Bills and the Eagles have played really good football, the Chiefs, the Giants and Jets, you could throw in there, but like everyone else has all the other teams that are supposed to be in that elite category have had some real stinker of games and some of them on primetime.

Speaker 1 And it makes you think, like, whoa, does everyone suck?

Speaker 4 I think a lot of it is that defenses are really good now. Like,

Speaker 4 just because, just because it's not like a shitload of high-scoring games doesn't necessarily mean that

Speaker 4 it's bad football, it's all depending on like the perspective that you look at it from. We've been conditioned over the last like 10 years to be shootouts, shootouts, shootouts.

Speaker 4 That's what we're going for. All the rule changes.

Speaker 4 Football, all the innovation football has come on like the spread side of the game, just trying to figure out ways to really exploit the passing game. And now we've got some really good defenses.

Speaker 4 I think, like, the Broncos, the Broncos' defense is awesome. They're very, very, very good.
They're like Super Bowl quality defense.

Speaker 1 And so, no, you're right.

Speaker 1 And it's also, you know, I mean, there's been a lot written about it that a lot of teams are going more into cover two and basically keeping everything in front of them and saying, hey, we're not going to let explosive plays beat us.

Speaker 1 So you don't see these like, you know, red zone, holy shit, 80-yard touchdowns as much.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it does feel like, I mean, and I I guess this, it's, I know people are like, oh, it's more positions than just the quarterback, but the quarterback is the most important position in all of American sports.

Speaker 1 And when quarterbacks like Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, like you can go down the list of guys that have struggled a little bit, Russell Wilson, like guys that are supposed to be elite,

Speaker 1 Kyler Murray, like Matthew Stafford, that... that affects the play.
Where they aren't playing their best football, the games don't look as good.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I thought I was ruined for a second for a tie last night in overtime.

Speaker 4 That game had tie energy. We got gipped out of a tie.
I don't know if I can say the G word anymore. No, you can't.
We got screwed out of a tie against the Colts when it was the Colts and the Broncos.

Speaker 4 This felt like it had a tie, and it was

Speaker 1 down.

Speaker 1 No one got a first down.

Speaker 4 That's such a smart play. Why don't teams do that more on punts? It's just blocked the other guy into the guy that's trying to catch the ball.

Speaker 1 It's so smart. No one got a first down.
It was crazy.

Speaker 4 Like watching Dustin Hopkins fall over, like he got his leg blown off with a grenade three times in a row.

Speaker 1 It was all game. That was awesome.
It was all game. He had the wrap on.
He was like, they kept on showing him. I've never seen a kicker pour it on more that they were injured.

Speaker 1 And like he would just fall down. He wasn't even getting hit.
He would just kick and then just fall down. Yeah.
And then like slowly get up. Well, he would scream when there was way down, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, then put the wrap on and everyone would be like, damn, Dustin Hopkins really gutting it out.

Speaker 4 They put him on his shoulders after the last kick for a second. I was like, what's going on right now?

Speaker 4 Why are we doing that? I guess that's the only time Dustin Hopkins will ever have that treatment. And to be fair, for the Chargers, that franchise,

Speaker 4 they're not really known for having heroic kickers at any given point. So that to them was like, that's as good as it's going to get.

Speaker 4 But yeah, I am curious to see what Billy has to say, too, about Billy. Why is offensive football so offensive this year?

Speaker 5 No, because just as we were saying, that cover two everyone's playing, the real evolution in the defense is the linebackers. They're more athletic.
They're built to stop the rushing quarterback.

Speaker 5 And with that, you're seeing teams that stack it up and take advantage of these lighter guys.

Speaker 5 The age of the hole plugger, like a Ray Lewis Erlacher, who used to just hit the hole, that sort of was phased out with these new agile quarterbacks and different spread offenses.

Speaker 5 But now you're seeing guys

Speaker 1 cut out. Right.
That was a good point.

Speaker 4 It was actually the internet did Billy a favor because he was on a real hot streak right there.

Speaker 4 So good job, internet, cutting Billy off. So far, you made great points.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was great points. But you know what I'm saying? Like when you actually, like, even Lamar has had

Speaker 1 what happens. And, like,

Speaker 1 yeah, you cut out. But it was a great point up until you cut out.
You were dead right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's actually, you should have more points cut out because it cuts you off right before you can say something that will then incriminate yourself. So it was like, it was the perfect Billy point.

Speaker 1 But I also,

Speaker 1 what I wanted to say was, even though it's been bad through six weeks, this does happen every year where September looks sloppy and then good teams start playing better and the bad teams start to fade and you get like this equally like everything levels off and we get good football down the stretch.

Speaker 1 So I'm not freaking out. I'm just noticing like for the first time, people always make this complaint and I'm usually like, ah, fuck that.
Who cares?

Speaker 1 They're usually just complaining about like the standalone games. This time it does actually have a little bit of merit that the like you know, unders are hitting at a crazy pace.

Speaker 1 The games don't have as many points. It hasn't, there haven't been like all these incredible, you know, instant classic type games, but I think they're coming.
That's my whole point.

Speaker 1 I think they're coming. Maybe not this week because unfortunately for the people that say that the games suck, we have the Eagles, the Bills, the Vikings, and the Rams all on by.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it's going to be like a

Speaker 1 grab your lunch pail type of Sunday, real football fans only.

Speaker 1 It will happen. We'll get there.
We will get there.

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 all those teams that you mentioned, the ones that were starting slow, those are the guys that didn't play in the preseason either.

Speaker 4 Maybe it would have been good for Russell Wilson and Nathaniel Hackett to have played in a couple games in the preseason. Maybe that would help them in mid-October.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jake, Jake, schedule, remind me in December, mid-December, if there's a bad Thursday, Sunday, or Monday night game, I'm going to be like, probably should have played the starters in preseason.

Speaker 1 Because that feels like that has some legs later on in the season.

Speaker 4 It's probably going to be a Super Bowl take as well. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Probably should have started these guys in the preseason.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it was, it was,

Speaker 1 again, it was an eventful game, and I know that they're not aesthetically pleasing watching the Broncos play, but I kind of am going to miss that.

Speaker 1 I don't think they have another primetime game for like

Speaker 1 a month and a half or two.

Speaker 4 So we've got reverse primetime because they're playing the Jaguars. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the true London game. They're playing Christmas and they're a standalone game.
They're playing Christmas Eve. They're not playing Christmas Day.

Speaker 7 This is a standalone game because they moved the bulk of the slate to Saturday. I think they did this like six or seven years ago.

Speaker 1 There's three games on Christmas, and they're all bad.

Speaker 1 I just, I don't know. I like what you just tune in because you're like, you don't know what kind of fucked-up football you're going to watch, and it's something interesting, even though it is bad.

Speaker 1 And by the way, talking about schedule, the NFL remains king. Next year, Black Friday, we get a game, which they're just flexing on everything, and I love it.

Speaker 1 I wish they had done this earlier where they're just like, we own every day. If there's other sports being played, tough shit, we're playing a game.

Speaker 4 No, it's a big brain move on their part because it's like Friday after Thanksgiving. What does Jeff Bezos do? He runs Amazon, right? Or he founded Amazon.

Speaker 4 He's trying to get people to stay home and buy shit online instead of going to wait in stores. What better way to do that than to have games on television?

Speaker 4 People going to be on their asses on the couch.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 NFL is king, as always.

Speaker 1 Anything else from week six? We're going to do all of our college football talk with Andy Staples coming up. PFT, you're Carson Wentz.

Speaker 1 You've been relieved of Carson Wentz duty, which you should be happy about.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 I'm not happy about it, Big Cat, because I was rooting so hard for this guy. Nobody wanted him.
We wanted him in D.C. Like, you saw Ron Rivera after that last game, right? He was crying.

Speaker 4 He was like, I wanted this guy. I was the one that brought the binders full of quarterbacks over to Mr.
Snyder, and I showed him, look at this guy. This guy is a guy that we can build around.

Speaker 4 I felt the same way. You saw me from day one.
I was fully in support of Carson Wentz. I did everything that I could to try to to make it work out.

Speaker 4 It's just unfortunate that he had this injury in a game that he won, actually.

Speaker 4 And I bet if you go back and you look at the history of Washington football team, Redskin Commanders, quarterbacks, he might be the first quarterback to win their last game with this franchise in 25 years.

Speaker 4 It's just that he went out on top. Thank you, Carson, for everything you contributed to the organization.
And now it's Taylor Heineke time, bitch.

Speaker 4 And I'm pretty pumped up about Heineke going into Green Bay and just beating the fuck out of Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 I think that game's

Speaker 1 in Washington. At home, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 And then he'll go to Green Bay afterwards and kick his ass.

Speaker 1 I actually, I think I might have to bet on the commanders just just on the theory that everyone hates Carson Wentz.

Speaker 1 Like you, you have to, you have to bet on the commanders this week, just being like, everyone hates this dude. He was not good.

Speaker 1 Taylor Heineke is a very likable guy who will just make shit happen. He's going to throw deep to your receivers that are very, very good.
And fun shit's going to go down.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Yeah, that's what's great about Taylor Heineke. He's one of the most fun quarterbacks to watch.

Speaker 4 I personally, I don't mind watching Taylor Heineke, even if we end up losing, because it's just a fun brand of football.

Speaker 4 And I know that's loser talk, but I knew last year we weren't going to win anything.

Speaker 4 This year, we're probably not going to win anything. So, yeah, put Heineke out there.
Have him just stir shit up. Just make plays.

Speaker 4 I want to see Taylor Heineke pointing downfield, up into the air, and just fucking letting one sail. That's the Heineke I know.

Speaker 4 That's the brand of football I want to see played.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Okay, so other stuff. Baseball.
The Yankees survive. Five-game series against the Guardians after a rain delay on Monday night that people were pretty pissed about.

Speaker 1 It was a fun scene watching the Bronx today because I love whenever a guy

Speaker 1 you know, showboats or does a celebration and it backfires instantly. And that happened with Josh Naylor, who did Rock the Baby to Garrett Cole in game four.

Speaker 1 And from that moment on, the Guardians scored one run in 15 innings, and the entire stadium was rocking the baby, including, was it Glaver or even Gladys?

Speaker 1 The final out, just shoving it back in their face. I have nothing against the Guardians.
I was rooting for them.

Speaker 1 I, you know, Pinstripe Dan will tell you differently, but me, Big Cat, I was rooting for the Guardians, and they have a young, fun team.

Speaker 1 But this will be fun to watch the Yankees lose to the Astros for like what seems like the 17th time in the last five five years.

Speaker 4 That's what we all got. If you don't have a dog in this fight, you got to be rooting for the Astros to come out and like and play surprisingly well against the Yankees.

Speaker 4 If I'm the Astros, I start cheating again.

Speaker 4 Like I want it, I want them to just beat the fuck out of the Yankees and then to have the Yankees just looking around like, what the hell just happened to us?

Speaker 4 I want spin rates to be off the chart this series. I want them to be sending out umpires to the pitchers mound like every two innings, looking underneath belts, underneath ball caps.

Speaker 4 I want them swiping behind ears, not finding anything. I want the Astros to get on the horn of NASA and figure out all the most advanced new ways.

Speaker 4 Maybe talk to Elon about it, the best new ways to cheat. And I want them to just dominate the Yankees.
That would be, in my opinion, good for baseball.

Speaker 4 Jake is biting his lips because it goes against two things that Jake loves right now. One, the New York Yankees.
He's back. And two, sportsmanship.

Speaker 1 Hold on, Jake. Talk about the Yankees while I put Stella's collar in.
She's back on the street.

Speaker 7 So obviously the Astros knocked out the Yankees and the ALCS in 2017 and 2019, and COVID happened right after that.

Speaker 7 The Astros have returned to Yankee Stadium since then, but I think Yankee Stadium for games three, four, and five, that's going to be back to the front of their minds, and this is revenge for both of those years.

Speaker 4 Are you saying that the Houston Astros caused COVID with their championship?

Speaker 7 No, I'm saying that they didn't get... a full fan reception due to the due to the delay.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 4 Interesting. Interesting.
You're saying the timing was suspicious.

Speaker 7 Not at all.

Speaker 1 Jake, do you give the Yankees any chance in this series? Like, they already are kind of fucked. Like, I love how everyone was complaining about the weather delay on Monday night.

Speaker 1 It was raining, but they were saying that the Yankees basically, MLB decides whether the game's canceled or not, but people were putting on their, yeah, they were putting on their tinfoil hats, being like, the Yankees did this because they wanted to get their pitching set, but not realizing the downside of this is they literally just beat the Guardians and then have to fly directly to Houston and play the Astros on Wednesday night.

Speaker 1 And I mean, that's a,

Speaker 1 I might just bet the Yankees because their number will be so high, but it feels like you're already starting like if you can find a way to win one in Houston, it's a series.

Speaker 1 And if not, it's going to be a big one.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Listen, obviously, it is the very unique turnaround, but this,

Speaker 7 I said it at the beginning of the Guardian series. It's all on the starting pitching.
The starting pitching delivered in this Guardian series, right? Garrett Cole had two great games.

Speaker 7 Nestor Cortez on short rest got five innings today. So if their starters are going to have to give you distance in game one, they're probably not going to have a starter that you can fully trust.

Speaker 7 I think Tyone might be going. I'm not entirely sure.
But Cole was the reason they got those games one and four wins.

Speaker 1 So we'll see.

Speaker 4 What about the fact that Garrett Cole is kind of a head case?

Speaker 4 Or do you think he's figured it out mentally?

Speaker 1 He'll be fine.

Speaker 7 He'll be fine. did you see him he shrugged off the podium he said that's cute about the rocking the baby

Speaker 1 yeah well they'd already won right

Speaker 4 yeah so i mean he also did the two short to garrett cole which is weird because isn't garrett cole like six four think he's a solid size yeah

Speaker 1 yeah i don't know if he was doing like an ironic six like you're rocking the baby when you're losing the baseball game is a crazy move it was a crazy move it was a crazy move but um i don't know it It had the fans fired up.

Speaker 1 I love that shit. I love shit talking.
I saw Ben Verlander, Justin's brother who covers baseball, was actually upset about it, which is nice to know.

Speaker 1 He's a new school baseball media guy, knowing that there still is some old school curmudgeon in every even new school baseball guy. Where I got to find his tweet.

Speaker 1 He was actually kind of upset, which made me laugh very hard because how would you be upset about that?

Speaker 4 It's maybe not the worst strategy of all time to do that when you're losing.

Speaker 4 Because maybe you'll get lucky and they'll just bean the guy behind you in the lineup, and boom, you get another guy on base. Like, it might be a good way to start a rally.

Speaker 1 All right, here it is. This is wild.
This is from Ben Verlander. This is wild.
Josh Naylor was rounding the bases, rocking a baby, and calling Garrett Cole his son.

Speaker 1 I'm a fan of bat flips and celebrating your work, but don't make it disrespectful. This is quite disrespectful.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Like, that's he's he's he's new media, and it's like just passing the torch because you need at least one or two baseball writers to just be upset about everything at all times.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I want, I want, like, a teenager out there yelling at players, like, pull your pants off.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's great.
Um, and then the fightin's up one-0 as we're taping this.

Speaker 4 Yeah, price went yard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we'll see. We, we mentioned at the beginning, but Max is going to a game this weekend.
We'll hopefully get video of that.

Speaker 1 Him just half screaming, half crying about every play and showing his true Philly. So it's going to be great.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think what else. Oh, NBA started.
Hank, I have a question for you. Why are the Celtics wearing the Bucs uniforms?

Speaker 8 Oh, they're the new city jerseys for Bill Russell. So if you don't like them, then you don't respect the greatest player in history.
So just watching the game.

Speaker 4 And also one of the greatest civil rights icon as well.

Speaker 1 I was just asking because it confused me. And Nike has ruined...
like NBA jerseys where every team has 15 jerseys and they all like they just look totally different.

Speaker 1 Celtics have, the Celtics are another one of those teams that that's a classic jersey. Why would you mess with the classic jersey?

Speaker 8 The Celtics have never made an alternate jersey that's better than their greener whites or their white jerseys.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 because it's a classic jersey. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like, we talked about it with the Steelers and the Packers. Like,

Speaker 1 why would you mess with something that is already kind of perfect? Like, the Knicks, when the Knicks wear, remember when the Knicks wear their Halloween jerseys?

Speaker 1 It's like, why would you mess with something that is beautiful to begin with? Alternate jerseys are for franchises with no history. I'm going to say that.
That's a take.

Speaker 1 But these are Bill Russell specific.

Speaker 4 The commanders look pretty sick in the black ones.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I'm just like one year old.

Speaker 1 That's true. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 Hank, we're trying to start a tradition right now.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying when you like alternate jerseys work for like the Oregon Ducks. And this is now very ironic that I'm doing this take right after I made fun of Ben Verlander.
But the NBA has like,

Speaker 1 there's so many jerseys now. And I mean, I had this take three years ago when, who was it? It was the Blazers and the Nuggets were playing, and the Nuggets were playing with the Blazers jerseys.

Speaker 1 And it was like, what's going on? Or when the Heat made the playoffs and they were wearing the Pacers jerseys.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's got to be the same color. Like, I do sound like that.

Speaker 1 No, but I agree, though.

Speaker 8 The fact that the Celtics are wearing green jerseys, but they're not their typical green is just kind of a little strange.

Speaker 1 They have a perfect jersey. Don't mess with the perfect jersey.

Speaker 1 Okay, anything else before we do hot seat cool thrown?

Speaker 4 Yeah, can I change my picks for the NBA championship this year?

Speaker 1 Nope. You're locked in with with the nugs.

Speaker 4 I've been thinking about that all day.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 you've been a Nuggets guy through a groove.

Speaker 4 I got cut off in traffic by a guy with a Nuggets bumper sticker today. It's just been everywhere around me.

Speaker 4 My pick that I know I'm going to, I mean, I'm going to lose all credibility as far as

Speaker 1 what do we call it? A round ball head? Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're ball is life podcast. We're going to lose all credibility.
But

Speaker 4 all my hoop cred.

Speaker 1 You have to stick with it because you've been saying for like, it it feels like five years now that once the nuggets get healthy.

Speaker 4 It's two years. It feels like five years.

Speaker 1 Once the nuggets get healthy, watch out.

Speaker 4 Dude, Jamal Murray is back and he's looking really good right now.

Speaker 1 Michael Porter Jr.

Speaker 4 Michael Porter Jr. is back.
We've got

Speaker 4 the big K Cerrito showing some love on the inside.

Speaker 1 It's going to be the Nugs year.

Speaker 1 Okay. Also, oh, Draymond Green, did you guys see? Yeah, I did.
I did that on my cool throne.

Speaker 8 It was preposterous.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. Let's get to Hot C Cool Throne then.
All right.

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Speaker 8 jake marsh uh

Speaker 8 he has been keeping track of our nfl weekly picks and yeah i noticed that there was no update well no so he tweeted someone tweeted at him uh last night and they're like can we can we see the standings please and jake tweeted out a screenshot i'll send you guys the link or jake if you can send the link you guys have access to the sheet.

Speaker 8 He tweeted out a screenshot of an XL sheet that showed the stats. And he, I've never seen a person get dunked harder.
Like, the cells were a disaster. XL bros left and right were just absolutely

Speaker 8 crushing him.

Speaker 4 Crushing him. Dude, do you even macro?

Speaker 8 It was, it was one of the worst displays of macro selling I've ever seen in my long history.

Speaker 1 XL bros will come at you hard because you have to realize that's like that's all they have.

Speaker 1 So you can't fuck with all what they have like that's and and a guy i will say this for excel bros if you've ever watched someone use excel the way it's supposed to be used it is actually like mind-blowing yeah because i think everyone in the world everyone listening to this podcast has applied to a job out of college where they wrote on their resume proficient in microsoft excel and and 99.9 of us are not we just knew how to open it up and like write a word in it the people who actually know how to use it and make all kinds of of weird formulas,

Speaker 1 they're geniuses. So

Speaker 1 when you fuck with them, they get upset.

Speaker 4 Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 1 Jim Harbaugh would have your ass out. They're really mad.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the Microsoft Excel guys. Have you ever seen, they have Excel championships, like competitions on TV where you can, it's like Twitch, people using Microsoft Excel.
It's fascinating.

Speaker 4 I actually, I talked with this dude who was an executive at Microsoft at my old, old job way back in the day.

Speaker 4 He was like coming through our office, and he was like, Microsoft Excel is the most advanced, most beautiful, simplistic, perfect piece of software that humans will ever create.

Speaker 4 And he sold me, I was like, yeah, I fucking love Excel, even though all I know how to do is just up arrow, down arrow, click.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I've used Excel for two things in my life, both of which the templates were built for me prior by someone else.

Speaker 7 It's the two things are plugging in our pics and my broadcasting charts.

Speaker 1 So the system works. You got to use it around features.
You're not professional.

Speaker 8 Format to percent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but the system works.

Speaker 7 I used it last year, and I'm not going to change it.

Speaker 8 Brother, brother, using some title, 15 decimal places, crying emoji.

Speaker 1 Who cares? You know, Jake.

Speaker 1 Jake,

Speaker 1 you are like, you know, a mini perfectionist, but I'm telling you that as your boss, you have to keep, don't change anything. And every week you need to tweet out the screenshot.
And only people

Speaker 7 will be in on the joke. Yes.

Speaker 1 Love it. Yes.
Done. Exactly.

Speaker 4 Make it worse.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Make like 20 more decimals.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just make it, just figure out a way to make it even worse.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 The McCool throws Draymond Green.

Speaker 8 He managed to turn him

Speaker 8 almost killing one of his teammates in a disgusting move. Pat Beverly talked about it on the Pat Bev show where it's like, that just doesn't happen.

Speaker 8 I think it's especially because football, there's fights all the time where people are like, oh, you know, fight in training camp or whatever.

Speaker 8 Teammates don't just punch each other in the face and knock them out cold. And he

Speaker 8 took that didn't get a suspension or anything just you know took some time away from the team and then has a show on tnt where he like

Speaker 1 made it

Speaker 8 he like glorified it basically he he glorified himself assaulting his teammate and looking so like immature childish and just bad

Speaker 1 it was a master class in how to use your children to shield you Like that was when he was like, yeah, I was just playing with my kids.

Speaker 1 And then there was a slow-mo of his daughter running into his open arms. Like, this is where when I make the joke, Father or two, and people like, will joke about it.

Speaker 1 Like, this is what people actually do where, like, they'll hit a controversy and they'll be like, well, I'm a father. So, I could never have been a bad person.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, there's a lot of bad dads out there. That's actually totally like a lot of people who've committed a lot of crimes are fathers.
But I saw it and I was like, just,

Speaker 4 chef's kiss to be like, yeah, I was playing with my kids when the video got leaked and I didn't even notice how the internet reacted because I was just with my kids and I was just you know enjoying the moment with my kids and here's a slow-mo of me with my kids just to prove that I was with my kids also his first explanation behind it was that he he dropped a line unironically hurt people hurt people which I fucking love that line so he's like really I I was damaged and so because I was feeling so much pain I had to make somebody else feel so much pain.

Speaker 4 It's like when people wave the therapy magic wand. And don't get me wrong.
Yeah. I think therapy is great.

Speaker 4 I've been to therapy before i think more people should go to therapy it's a very useful thing that you can do but when you say like uh you i can't really be held accountable like kevin spacey or whatever for you know those dozens of people that i raped because i'm going to therapy right now and i'm working on myself that sort of thing yeah like you you can't you can't do the you can't play the therapy card and then automatically everything that you've done up to that point is forgiven yeah He did the double whammy, the therapy and father card.

Speaker 1 What were you going to say, Hank, to finish it off?

Speaker 8 Oh, I just, when he was watching, I was was like, this is this is like if Rico Bosco made this tape where he was like, I have the moment where I almost like

Speaker 8 the lowest moment in my life on camera, and that's a good thing. It's like, what?

Speaker 1 But it made me, it made me just want to do a remake with Rico.

Speaker 8 That's what I was thinking when I was watching it. This is preposterous.
Like, imagine if we had done that. Like, imagine if we tried to spin that into a positive.

Speaker 1 And I'm just going to take a shot in the dark. I think Draymond Green probably would have preferred that moment to never be leaked.

Speaker 1 But like, Cool Drone took the moment

Speaker 8 to like a special on his on his on his TV show.

Speaker 4 But that's why Draymond is a sneaky genius for doing all this media stuff.

Speaker 4 Like all the stuff that he does in games, all I want to know after it's over is like what is Draymond's actual explanation for why he did that during the game.

Speaker 4 And then boom, he's got his own podcast, so I can go listen to it right away. Like the world is content for Draymond Green.
Everything is content.

Speaker 1 Also, just,

Speaker 1 this really has nothing to do with any of it, but he has very white teeth, and that always helps me believe you. Not too white.

Speaker 1 If your teeth are too white, where it's like Rex Ryan, you're like, what's going on here? He just had like very nice white teeth, and I'm like, I kind of believe this guy.

Speaker 8 That's fair.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. It's something about it.
So, all right, PFT, your hot seat, cool to run.

Speaker 4 My hot seat is the Houston Texans' moral character as an organization.

Speaker 4 They've had a great couple years, but it sounds like they're losing their rock. They have fired fired Jack Easterby.

Speaker 4 They've unfortunately decided to cut ties and move on from Jack Easterby. If you don't know Jack Easterby, he was part-time character coach, part-time stand-up comedian, and then full-time Rasputin.

Speaker 4 I think his official title was Executive Vice President of Football Operations. If you go back and you look at Jack Easterby's career,

Speaker 4 I'm like obsessed with this guy because the stand-up stuff that he's done is just, it's groundbreaking material.

Speaker 4 But if you go back and you look at what he did in New England, he was their character coach there.

Speaker 4 And basically, his job was to like hang out in the cafeteria and make everybody uncomfortable around him.

Speaker 4 And they brought him in like after Aaron Hernandez, all that situation went down to try to like clean the team up a little bit.

Speaker 4 And when he applied to work there, he falsified his resume and he pulled. an unironic Dwight Schroot.
So he was right out of college.

Speaker 4 He was like an assistant to the director of football operations for the Jaguars.

Speaker 4 And then by the time he got to the Patriots and applied there, he said that he was the assistant director of football operations to the Jaguars as like a 22-year-old.

Speaker 4 And then he carried that over, got hired by the Texans, became literally like their rasputin, and convinced Bill O'Brien to trade away DeAndre Hopkins, even though he had no background whatsoever as a football guy.

Speaker 4 He was just kind of like a preacher that hung out.

Speaker 4 And so now the Houston Texans won't have any character. So that's got to be bad news for them.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's a crazy story, especially because this guy like wrecked your entire franchise. And well, I mean, Deshaun Watson had something to do with that.

Speaker 1 And then to have him get fired, you're like, wait, if he's going to wreck it, at least keep him around. And maybe he could be an accidental genius at some point.

Speaker 4 Well, the timing's really weird on it because he's already destroyed the franchise.

Speaker 4 And like the Deshaun Watson thing, I have a feeling that he was maybe working with Deshaun Watson, like with some of the NDA stuff or team facility. I have no evidence to back this up whatsoever.

Speaker 4 I just want to be clear about that. But his job was kind of to make Deshaun Watson happy after the whole Bill O'Brien thing happened and try to convince Deshaun Watson to stick around.

Speaker 4 So the timing of firing him right now is pretty strange. Oh, and also when they went out to pick their new GM, he was like, oh, yeah, any competent general manager is going to want to fire my ass.

Speaker 4 So I'm going to make sure that the owner hires my buddy from the Patriots, Nick Cacero, to come in to be the GM because maybe he won't fire me immediately. Well, after like a year, he got fired.
So

Speaker 4 go check out Jack Easterby's stand-up tapes if you haven't already.

Speaker 4 When he talks about how like people out in Los Angeles have surfer voices or how people in Houston, Texans wear like giant belt buckles. It's really funny stuff.
So

Speaker 4 give it a look. It's awesome.

Speaker 4 And then my cool throne is

Speaker 4 DJ Chark.

Speaker 4 Because he just had a baby. So we're putting him in the baby bonanza.
Or I guess his wife or girlfriend, whoever had a baby. But he's a father now.
So it's baby chark this weekend.

Speaker 4 And we're putting that on the Barspool Sportsbook. Yes.
And it'll have a baby boost on there for part of my take. So check it out right now.

Speaker 1 Okay, my hot seat is the rats of New York City. So I don't know if you guys saw this, but there was

Speaker 1 they basically made an ordinance in New York City that they're going to delay trash pickup. Like they're going to do limited hours for trash pickup.

Speaker 1 So people shouldn't leave their trash on the streets unless it's their time because they're trying to fight the rats and they had a press conference and uh this this reporter emerc uh quoted some things from the press conference i want to read some of them for you because it's essentially like um george w bush being like you know we're going to find the terrorists that's how like serious they're taking this rat situation uh now watch this drive one of the quote yeah one of the quotes where there are many rivers that are feeding the sea of rodents in the city and today we're damning one of the biggest swing you can take in cleaning up our streets is shutting down the all-night all-you-can-eat rat buffet rats will hate this announcement the rats don't run this city we do this is not ratatouille rats are not our friends new yorkers will not have to fear as many rats hiding in late night shadows It sounds like something that Batman would say when announcing that, like, we're taking Bane out.

Speaker 1 The rats don't run this city. We do.
It's like, I tend to disagree. Do you have to say that?

Speaker 4 I think the rats run the city i think the rats definitely run the city and also we've seen yeah

Speaker 4 we've seen some of the the late-night rat buffets and they are there's something else

Speaker 4 why don't you know what what uh i've seen happen a couple times around my neighborhood at least they have these things called dachshund clubs and you know like dachshunds the dogs the like little short-legged things they're actually bred to kill to hunt and kill rats that's what they naturally do they have dachshund clubs that meet up together and then they just let their dogs off leashes and they just sprint around killing rats all night.

Speaker 4 It's pretty metal.

Speaker 1 That is pretty metal. I mean, it's, it's in Chicago, it's, it's usually the rats stay in the alleys because that's where all the trash is.

Speaker 1 And then every now and then you'll go in an alley and there'll just be notices everywhere that basically are like, we just, we just lit off a nuclear bomb in this alley. So be careful.

Speaker 1 And that's also like very metal where it's like, yeah, we just, we, it was biological warfare in this alley.

Speaker 1 So if you drop any food, don't try to eat it for a little bit because there's a lot of shit going on. But yeah, the rats,

Speaker 1 the rats don't run this city. We do.
And saying the rats will hate this announcement.

Speaker 4 One weird trick.

Speaker 1 Rats hate it. Oh, man.
And then my cool throne is all of us because Taco Bell, steal a base, steal a taco's back.

Speaker 1 I feel like it's always back, but it's back. They made the announcement.
So now we get a free taco when someone steals a base in the world's.

Speaker 8 Best promo going. It's always fun.
Best promo going.

Speaker 1 It really is.

Speaker 1 It really is.

Speaker 1 We should do Steal a Base, get a free subscription to Pardon My Take. I like that.
Hit a Homer. Hit a Dinger.

Speaker 1 Maybe if there's a Grand Slam in the World Series, we will give away a free subscription to Pardon My Take.

Speaker 4 And I'm going to match that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So everyone root for a Grand Slam in the World Series, and we will then drop the links for everyone to subscribe for free.

Speaker 4 That's beautiful.

Speaker 1 Should we do a Grand Slam? Should we do like a 6-3 ground out?

Speaker 8 We could do the podcast and YouTube, and maybe if there's two.

Speaker 4 I don't think we know. Now we're sounding kind of thirsty.
I feel like we do... Thirsty, we'll give away a YouTube subscription.
No, but I'm saying...

Speaker 4 Yeah, we don't want to give everything.

Speaker 4 Let's give away a YouTube subscription if there's a bulk.

Speaker 1 Okay, a bach or a grand slam. Okay.
A bach or a grand slam free YouTube subscription to pardon my take. That's we're not going to be able to afford this.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 You're taking away base. Pretty much you're reducing my salary to two apes per episode yeah we might have to fire billy so my apes go don't subscribe otherwise we might have to

Speaker 1 billy your hot seat cool throne that was a joke billy i love you i can hear you guys okay

Speaker 1 uh you didn't even hear the joke

Speaker 5 Okay, my hot seat is Tom Brady. He compared playing in the NFL, like deploying overseas and fighting a war because you don't see your family.

Speaker 5 And a lot of people are calling me out for that, saying it's pretty BS.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 a lot of great quarterbacks steal valor.

Speaker 1 So I was going to say this for my fire fest, but I have to say it now. I was in Chicago on Monday.
Hank and I went to look at offices and so I flew in, flew back. So it was a long day.

Speaker 1 I was coming back. I was in O'Hare and I was sitting by the gate and

Speaker 1 because there was no seats, it was packed. And they made the announcement: like, military service members can please board the plane.

Speaker 1 So I got up because I was like, oh, I got to get up because I got to get ready to go in, like, when they start actually boarding people.

Speaker 1 So I got up to get out of the way because I was kind of in the gateway. And a person walked by and was like, thank you for your service.
And it was thrilling. It was thrilling.

Speaker 1 Because they thought I was getting up to go on the plane. And I was just like, this, I get why Billy steals Valor every day.
Like, it was.

Speaker 5 No, it is awkward because AWLs come up to me and say, thank you. And it's like, no what do i say like no stop

Speaker 1 no i said i said you're welcome and it felt great and i i like i i had this moment where i was like almost like zapped into your life and i was like i get i understand why billy wears the camo and wears the fake purple metal and all that stuff like it makes sense to me now well he might have also been thanking you for your service as a podcaster which is i get that a lot i've never stolen valor but people do see me and they're like you know what you go behind a microphone every day and you speak hard truths thank you sir.

Speaker 4 You know, the First Amendment,

Speaker 4 without the First Amendment, you don't have the second. So, and don't get me started on the third with quartering soldiers.
But if somebody says to me, thank you for my service as a podcaster,

Speaker 4 it's almost like an everyday thing for me right now. And I'm comfortable saying you're welcome.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Bill, you're cool thrown.

Speaker 5 My cool throne is humans. If you've been seeing the news recently, humans have been taking tons of W's against bears and just dishing out bears' L's.

Speaker 5 There was a video of a dude fighting a bear and throwing him off a cliff. And then there was another video.

Speaker 5 There was another story of two Wyoming wrestlers beating the bear off and beating the shit out of a bear and getting him away from him and surviving a grizzly attack.

Speaker 1 That feels not cool. Yeah, so we're

Speaker 4 gonna buzzfeed Steve Irwin right now.

Speaker 1 We're up two on bears. Yeah, watch this huge

Speaker 1 corner kill bears. No, it just didn't kill them.
They just fought him off.

Speaker 4 Look at his stingering. Talk about a major fail.

Speaker 1 No, but... But one of them threw him off a cliff.

Speaker 5 Yeah, because the bear tried to attack him

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, but that guy was probably in the bear's home. No, yeah, the bear were in the bear's home.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 5 if you haven't seen this video, I posted it to my Twitter.

Speaker 5 This guy, a bear comes out of nowhere and tries to attack him, and then he falls off the cliff, and then he hits the bear that's trying to attack him.

Speaker 1 And it's all on GoPro. Wait.

Speaker 1 But again, the bear didn't come out of nowhere. He came out of his house.

Speaker 8 Also,

Speaker 8 what was the guy wearing?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, it's just

Speaker 1 take humans aren't.

Speaker 4 I think it was actually a female bear. It was a female bear, and she had her bear cubs with her.
So she thought that the human was trying to take her cubs away. That is true.

Speaker 1 She was just defending herself. We're up on her.
I just always, as a principal, and this is someone who probably, because her mother lost her life and her kids are now.

Speaker 1 Well, the bear's not actually dead.

Speaker 5 The bear's not dead. It just ran away.

Speaker 6 It just ran away.

Speaker 4 It's just a sick video. I actually think that what's happening right now is actually,

Speaker 4 it's a major dub for bears because we're talking about bears. We're watching all their content right now and we're like, oh, fuck, I would shit myself if a bear came at me like that in the woods.

Speaker 4 It's making us as humans more fearful of them when in reality, we probably shouldn't be that afraid of them. But it's putting out like fear porn propaganda on behalf of the bears.

Speaker 4 So I say that's a major win for the bears.

Speaker 1 I'm also, you know.

Speaker 1 I'm a city guy, and I don't really go deep into nature, but I always root for the animals. Always.
I just always root for the animals.

Speaker 1 Chase doesn't like it. i rooted for harambe

Speaker 8 oh this is a crazy video yeah you are kind of like you this is your second animal video with millions of views i just get them i get them first and i credit them when i find where they came from

Speaker 1 yeah because i was gonna say you don't get them first you find them first get them off reddit first

Speaker 5 well you gotta be you don't get you gotta be part of the right reddit and whatsapp group chats

Speaker 1 oh my God.

Speaker 4 I don't want to know what the WhatsApp group chats. I don't want to know what the wrong WhatsApp group chats look like.

Speaker 1 Okay, Jake, finish this off, and then we'll get to Andy State's.

Speaker 7 My hot seat is James Corden.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He was briefly banned.
He was banned from part of my take. He was briefly banned by New York City Balthazar, but the real story is he's permanently banned from this show, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's banned from this show. No, banned, Hank.

Speaker 1 Nah, fuck him.

Speaker 4 You know what? Hank, you're banned too.

Speaker 1 Think about the

Speaker 1 That would be a fine thing.

Speaker 1 He can come on, pardon my take, but he has to be in person, and Billy has to serve him a seven-course meal while he's being interviewed.

Speaker 4 And they all have to be made by Billy, and just completely fucked up. And if he complains one time, I'm going to kick him in his turn.

Speaker 7 Reports say he was the most abusive customer at the restaurant.

Speaker 1 Well, and this guy,

Speaker 1 quite a situation he got himself in because he apparently uh has defended uh woody what's the what's the

Speaker 1 what's the woody allen woody allen he was friends with with with jizzy maxwell he was friends with jeffrey epstein so he made this like public post and everyone's like hey wait you're not a good guy and then he immediately was like james gordon called me and apologized we're good it's like the uh the shrimp toast crunch guy or bean dad dude How about Emu Girl?

Speaker 1 Do you see she got killed?

Speaker 4 I did see that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes. What? She's like,

Speaker 1 couldn't find

Speaker 1 all her birds died she she apparently like is part of like the she's gonna start another pandemic and i heard people were saying that she's racist i couldn't find the racist stuff but it was just

Speaker 1 the fact that people are still heartbroken when some random person goes viral and then we find out they're a bad person it's that's like internet 1.0 That's been happening for so long now.

Speaker 1 You can't fall in love with these people.

Speaker 4 Wait, is Emmanuel, is he okay? Or did he die today? I think he's racist.

Speaker 1 I think he's life-supporting.

Speaker 8 99% of the birds died.

Speaker 8 He might be dead. No, I saw you drink water.

Speaker 1 Are the emus racist?

Speaker 8 A few days yesterday.

Speaker 1 Oh, so you're following this story. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like the bird girl. Is she racist?

Speaker 1 People were saying she was not. I did not know that.

Speaker 8 I did not see that.

Speaker 1 I couldn't.

Speaker 1 It also could have been like people just said she was racist, and then no one

Speaker 1 just hate her.

Speaker 8 Right.

Speaker 1 Because I couldn't find the racism, so I was like, what's going on here?

Speaker 4 I'm looking it up right now.

Speaker 4 They're calling her the racist emu girl. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 That's yeah.

Speaker 4 I feel like you're going to have to be more specific than that.

Speaker 1 I couldn't figure out why.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. All right, Jake,

Speaker 8 I'm going to tell you girls racist, and that her kissing a manual is a serious public health issue.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I can't find where she was racist.

Speaker 4 Oh, wait. Okay.
So

Speaker 4 2012, she's got some posts. okay?

Speaker 4 I'm going to read some of her posts just out loud for the first time.

Speaker 4 Don't, I shouldn't.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You dare me to? No, I do.
Like, no filter? Oh, I see him, too. No, don't.

Speaker 1 I'm seeing. I'm looking at them now, too.
Yes. Okay, should I do it? Swarbo, though, Schwarbo, Schwarbo, Schwarbo.
Schwarbo just hit a bomb? Fucking tank this. It was a beast of a sack.

Speaker 1 Sack. I laughed at it.

Speaker 1 He was play-by-play right now.

Speaker 6 I don't know what else to say.

Speaker 6 He just hit an upper decker.

Speaker 1 You know what a shooter is. Give us your feelie.
It's the best. I know what a 488.

Speaker 4 Damn, that's a hammer time. I put a bet on

Speaker 4 Harper to go yard, Schwarber to go yard, and then I've got Castellanos to go yard. I'm trying to get the big three right now.

Speaker 1 That would be crazy. You got two down.

Speaker 4 Wait, oh, yeah. I was about to read this one, but that one's got the N-word in it, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, there's a lot of things. All right, so I'm bad.

Speaker 8 No, I disavowed Evil Girl. I hope her bird dies.

Speaker 7 My cool throne is the inside the NBA crew. They all sign long-term extensions, so that fantastic pregame show will be with us for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 4 That's great. I heard that Charles Barkley is getting like a $100 million contract right now from Turner or something like that.
Masterful use of Saudi Arabia as being the big money in the room.

Speaker 4 That's how you do it right there for Sir Charles. Just be like, I'll take money from anybody and then get a massive, massive raise when he returns back to TNT.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we welcome on our good friend, college football expert. You can find him on The Athletic.
You can listen to the Andy Staples podcast. You can hear him on SiriusXM.
It is Andy Staples.

Speaker 1 We're here to talk some college football. What a season it has been.
What a Saturday it was. So let's start there.
I have a couple questions on the Tennessee-Alabama game, but

Speaker 1 I think you probably do this too, Andy, sometimes where a big game happens and you talk about the losers more than the winners. So I don't want to fall into that trap and let's talk about Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Is Tennessee all the way back?

Speaker 1 And if even if they lose to Georgia, are they still all the way back? Because I want them to be back. It's fun to have Tennessee back.

Speaker 11 This is is the best tennessee team since the two you led to a national title yeah for sure but are they all the way back i i don't know that yet they

Speaker 11 they roped alabama into playing their style of game which alabama almost played as well as them in one of the most intense environments you'll ever see so i don't know that i'm ready to crown tennessee quite yet but i will say I don't know there's a lot of defenses in the country that are going to be able to stop them.

Speaker 11 I think you're going to have to beat them in a shootout.

Speaker 11 That's what's interesting to me as you go forward. Like, you know, because

Speaker 11 in a couple of weeks, they play Kentucky. Like Kentucky just shut down Mississippi State.
Could they slow down Tennessee enough? I don't know if they can. I don't know.

Speaker 11 And Georgia may be able to, but I could see Georgia beating them by outscoring, you know, because Georgia has a bunch of different ways to beat you offensively. But

Speaker 11 Can Tennessee compete with anybody in the country right now? Yeah, they absolutely can.

Speaker 11 Could they compete for the SEC title? Yes, they could beat Georgia. They could go to the SEC title game.

Speaker 11 Or if you really want to make non-SEC people's heads explode, you can talk about what if they lose close to Georgia, Georgia and Alabama play a classic SEC championship game, and Tennessee slips in into the playoff that way.

Speaker 11 It's possible that could happen. They've got to figure out how to make sure.

Speaker 11 They keep winning. I mean, it's hard because these are guys that have not had a ton of success in their careers.
So So they've got to learn how to deal with this level of success.

Speaker 11 Now, playing UT Martin this week, I think helps them. So if they had to play Kentucky this week, I would be putting my life savings on Kentucky to cover.
Yeah. Because it's the ultimate letdown spot.

Speaker 11 But right now, I think they're in a good spot.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Do we know if their defense is bad?

Speaker 12 Do we officially know that? Because the style of play that their offense plays, their defense is exhausted because. they get on the field so much.

Speaker 12 So I don't think we really have a barometer like whether or not Tessie's defense is good enough to get them that far.

Speaker 11 Okay, so my alma mater, Florida, their defense

Speaker 11 bordering on bad. And you saw what LSU did to them last weekend.
Well, Tennessee's defense shut down LSU's offense. So it may not be that Tennessee's defense is bad.

Speaker 11 It may be that Tennessee's defense is not the best when playing as the Heisman Trophy winner. and his merry band of five stars, which is what they had to deal with with Alabama.

Speaker 11 Now, I realize this is not the Alabama receiving core that we've seen over the past few years. It's still a really good offense.
Jameer Gibbs is an amazing tailback.

Speaker 11 They've got great players all over the field. So Tennessee did enough to

Speaker 11 like, when you say forcing them to kick a 50-yard field goal is the highlight of your day defensively. Yeah, that was enough.
You did enough.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It is interesting. I would actually say that Florida's defense is bad and LSU owns Florida.
It's pretty shocking. I got to live here, big cat.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 11 If If I say something like that, people are going to be coming at me in the grocery store.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're bad.

Speaker 1 I'll say it for you.

Speaker 1 So Alabama, I'm so interested.

Speaker 1 It's crazy how when Alabama stumbles, it's just fascinating to just see how they come back, how Sabin reacts, because they've just been on top for so long.

Speaker 4 My question, though, is, is this feel

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 Alabama is not, they're not fading. They're still, you know, probably going to college football playoff, but they struggled against Texas.
They struggled against Texas AM.

Speaker 1 You can go back to last year. They lost to Texas AM.
They struggled against LSU.

Speaker 1 There have been signs where they are not the struggle against your Florida Gators. There have been signs that they are not the Alabama that just rolls people.

Speaker 1 And even if they slip up once here or there, they come back and they just keep rolling people. Are you, can we do the like, hey, is Sabin losing the fastball? Is he throwing 92 and not 99 now?

Speaker 11 Can I put my Dan Wolcan hat on and say the Alabama dynasty is dead? No, I will not say that.

Speaker 11 Like every time somebody says the Alabama dynasty is dead, another five-star recruit calls Nick Saban is like, can I come? Can I come? Yeah.

Speaker 11 But what I do think has happened, I blame Kirby Smart for a lot of it. Kirby Smart's been at Georgia now since 2016.

Speaker 11 And every year he's been there, he sheared off a few guys that would have signed with Alabama before Kirby Smart was at Georgia. And so you got that.

Speaker 11 You had Jimbo signing guys that Alabama wanted last year at Texas AM.

Speaker 11 You have Tennessee now getting big into the NIL game, getting looks from recruits they hadn't been.

Speaker 11 You had Florida hiring Billy Napier with the express purpose of get guys that Kirby Smart and Nick Sabin want.

Speaker 11 And so

Speaker 11 if you sign 20 of those guys a year instead of 25 of the guys that you absolutely want the most,

Speaker 11 your depth suffers.

Speaker 11 That happens. And that's what Alabama was able to just lord over everybody for the longest time:

Speaker 11 if they had somebody hurt, if they had somebody who wasn't playing particularly well, they just plug in the next one. And it's another potential first rounder.

Speaker 11 Well, they're still that way in most places, but there are some positions now where they're not as perfect as they have been. And they're susceptible.

Speaker 11 to the same kind of depth issues that normal teams are at certain places. And so if you catch them on on the right day, you can beat them.
That said, I'm with you.

Speaker 11 I think they went out and I don't put it past Nick Sabin to have a perfect game plan for an SEC championship game. And they go to the playoff anyway.

Speaker 12 So let's have the discussion because I love that narrative of like, when is Alabama's dynasty officially over? When would it be officially over?

Speaker 12 Would it be if they don't win three championships in a row? It's like three consecutive years. without a national title and Nick Saban is washed.

Speaker 11 Is that what we're going to say? I think that might be what we're going to going to say. I'll tell you when it is.
We'll know when Nick Sabin retires because he told me this was 2017.

Speaker 11 So this is the year they win the national title. They plug into in halftime in the national title game.
So this was the week of whatever FCS team they're playing before Auburn.

Speaker 11 And I'm in his office and I'm asking him all these big picture questions because I was working for SI and I was writing, you know, pre-writing the bulk of the national title game story because you have to have that sucker in before the game starts for the most part.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 I'd asked him about, you know, all the different changes in the sport. And he basically said,

Speaker 11 I will leave before I let it go down. Like, and the implication of that is I will know before any of you idiots do if this is going downhill.

Speaker 11 And I will make sure that they that I give Alabama a chance to put somebody in who will who will get it back to where it needs to be.

Speaker 11 Now, Nick Sabin's idea of where it needs to be and everybody else is probably a very different place.

Speaker 11 But my guess is he understands better than everybody else. That's why you saw that stuff with Jimbo in the offseason.
Like, you know, he's talking about the NIL stuff.

Speaker 11 It's not so much that he's worried about, oh, they're quote-unquote cheating, which they're not,

Speaker 11 because there are no rules anymore, which is the best way college football should be. But

Speaker 11 he's saying, I can't make more rich people in Alabama.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 11 Texas will always have more rich people than Alabama. Tennessee will probably have a similar number of rich people as Alabama, but they don't have an Auburn.

Speaker 11 And that's the thing that he's thinking about. He's thinking ahead to, okay, how do I dominate this new world? Because things are changing around me.
And

Speaker 11 there's some things that probably are out of my control. So I got to work around them.

Speaker 12 So Nick's saving to Yukon is what you're saying. A lot of wealth up there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Done.
Yeah. No, and I'm I do not think Alabama is done.

Speaker 1 I just, it's also the bar that Nick Saban has set there, where you have the 2020 Alabama team, and I know it's a COVID year, but that team was so goddamn good, and they just rolled over everyone.

Speaker 1 Like the closest game they played was against Florida in the SEC championship game. And

Speaker 1 maybe I'm misremembering it, but I never at any point was like, Florida's going to win this game. It was like, can Florida win?

Speaker 11 It was a five-point game, but Florida would get within like five, and then Alabama would score another touchdown. Right.

Speaker 1 And that was their closest game. And now they've played in the last two years

Speaker 1 half a dozen games where it's actually been, hey, this is kind of weird, whether it be an actual loss or a game that they skirt by, you're like, oh, this is a close game.

Speaker 1 They might actually be in trouble.

Speaker 1 I want to move to the Pac-12 real quick. It's a perfect Pac-12 season where...

Speaker 1 Like, it's actually a better than normal PAC-12 season because I think there actually are good teams, but they all just cannibalize each other. So we'll end up with no Pac-12 participant.

Speaker 1 My question, though, is: do you think when Lincoln Riley went to USC,

Speaker 1 did anyone tell him, like, hey, I know that you don't want to be in the SEC, but having to play at Utah is like the worst thing in the world. Like, you're just never going to win there.

Speaker 1 If it gets dark, like, it was watching that game, it was essentially like Utah sucked, and then the sun went down and Utah came alive.

Speaker 1 Do you think anyone let him know in on that little dirty secret that playing against Kyle Wittingham at night in Utah is probably the toughest place in the country to play.

Speaker 11 Nobody ever tells anybody that secret. And I've been to night games at Utah.
They're incredible.

Speaker 11 The mighty Utah student section is loud. That stadium is the perfect size.
They're right on top of you.

Speaker 11 You're looking at that you in the mountain. It's car, you know, rocks in the mountain.
Like it's not a fun place to play at all.

Speaker 11 And the issues that Lincoln Riley teams had at Oklahoma seem to be the same as Lincoln Riley's USC team. Like they don't dominate you up front and they don't cover very well.

Speaker 11 And so I think you're going to have a problem when you play a UCLA this year. If you wind up playing an Oregon in the Pac-12 title game, that's a problem too.
Now, can they fix that? Sure.

Speaker 11 They can get a pretty good level of recruit along the line of scrimmage that maybe didn't want to come to Oklahoma when they were in the Big 12.

Speaker 11 I think, I actually think once Oklahoma is in the SEC, that level of player will want to go to Oklahoma too. But

Speaker 11 that's that they're the same

Speaker 11 issues-wise that they were at Oklahoma. Yeah.
And we'll see if they figure that part out.

Speaker 11 That may be an off-season figure-it-out kind of situation because I don't know if there's much you can do about it right now.

Speaker 1 Who do you have coming out of the Pac-12? Like, if you had to pick right now, and it's too bad because I think even if

Speaker 1 UCLA is the only hope at this point to run the table, and because Oregon could run the table, but everyone will just point to the week one game against Georgia and be like, no, thanks.

Speaker 1 We don't want that again. So

Speaker 1 do you think it's going to be just everyone cannibalizing each other? I mean, I know UCLA plays Oregon this weekend, but is it the Pac-12 is pretty much on the outside looking in yet again?

Speaker 11 I'm not giving up on him yet. But yes, that Georgia loss.
for Oregon just hangs over the whole league, and it sucks that anybody else might get smeared with that brush.

Speaker 11 But But I think if UCLA runs the table, they got a shot. I think a one-lost UCLA might have a shot as well.
And I'm curious. Right now, I'm still leaning Oregon.

Speaker 11 But if UCLA goes in there and rams the ball down their throat like they have everybody else,

Speaker 11 I'm probably all in on the Bruins at that point because I like the way they play.

Speaker 11 I think

Speaker 11 they run the ball so well. Charbonnet is

Speaker 11 just a beast, especially like Charbonnet will drag guys for three, four yards. And DTR, Dorian Thompson Robinson, their quarterback, he can run really well.

Speaker 11 But then when he's running and Charbonnet is running well, it opens up the pass game.

Speaker 11 You got Bobo, Jake Bobo, the transfer from Duke, who's been fantastic. So

Speaker 11 I really like what UCLA has become. And I'll admit, I was surprised.
I didn't know if Chip Kelly was ever going to be able to get it back there.

Speaker 1 It'll be so awesome if Chip Kelly crashes the party. Like after it felt like he was, you know, had a few years at UCLA where everyone just kind of forgot about it.

Speaker 1 And it was going to, it was trending towards, oh, they'll just have to fire Chip Kelly in a couple of years because they never really broke through. And now he could break through this year.

Speaker 4 It's fun.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah. And the thing with Chip Kelly was, you know, he created a paradigm shift in the sport.

Speaker 11 Like he took advantage of a change in the clock rules to create an offense that nobody knew what to do with. And that was my big question with him going to UCLA, coming back from the NFL was,

Speaker 11 can you build in a more standard way? Because you had this innovation that no one could deal with. By the time you got back, everybody had caught up with it.

Speaker 11 And it reminds me a little bit of Steve Spurrier, because Steve Spurrier in the 90s had the fun and gun and nobody knew what to do with it in the SEC because it was like a three yards in a cloud of dust league.

Speaker 11 Well, they started hiring defensive coaches specifically to stop it. He gets back to the SEC at South Carolina in 2005, tries to run the fun and gun and they can't move the ball at all.

Speaker 11 And so what he did is he borrowed Appalachian State's offense. And when they had those really good teams at South Carolina, they were running Appalachian State's offense.

Speaker 11 Well, what you've seen with Chip Kelly is he's evolved. He's not worried about running at light speed anymore because that worked then.
That's not what necessarily works now.

Speaker 11 But what he's done is created a pretty good ground and pound offense that the rest of his league doesn't seem ready for.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Can we talk jobs real quick? I love talking jobs just in general. So

Speaker 11 we don't talk about another man's job, but brian harson probably gone right these guys have families we don't want to we don't want to say anything bad about them they're probably only getting well there's nothing you can say that some internet people didn't say about his family that wasn't true uh in in the offseason so now he's going to get 12 million bucks to not work it's a pretty good deal no offset by the way next job doesn't even doesn't even count against it so i love it

Speaker 11 it's it's a weird situation at auburn because like the team has not quit on him so i think that's why he hasn't been fired fired yet. But clearly he will not be the coach at Auburn in 2023.

Speaker 11 The problem for Harson, and while I disagree with the methodology of the coup attempt, because it was pretty gross what some of the folks tried to do to him this past offseason and Auburn trying to find dirt so they could fire him for free.

Speaker 11 But the reason they did it is because His first year at Auburn, they looked at his recruiting and they're like, did you go after anybody that Nick Saban and Kirby Smart wanted? Did you even try?

Speaker 11 And the answer was no. He thought, he really thought he could out-evaluate Nick Saban and Kirby Smart, not realizing that,

Speaker 11 yeah, they get the best players, but they're also better at evaluating than most people too. So that was the biggest problem.
And it was never going to work there.

Speaker 11 So now you have this awkward dance where they haven't hired an AD yet. Eventually, they'll make the move and he will get his money.

Speaker 11 And then we'll see a whole new circus around Auburn as they try to hire another coach.

Speaker 12 Yeah. We were joking about Matt Ruhl and how Matt Rule might have to take a step back in the next program that he goes to.
So I suggested Auburn as being like one of those second or third level.

Speaker 12 People got very mad at me about that. But I feel like Auburn is, it's a weird situation where it's a top job, but it also kind of sucks because you're not Alabama.

Speaker 11 Okay. So you're not just Alabama, your two biggest traditional rivals are Alabama and Georgia, which are probably the top two of the top three teams in the sport right now.

Speaker 11 And they get the best best players. They're the top two recruiting teams in the sport.
So you're going to be judged against them. But here's the thing.

Speaker 11 And this is where I look at it differently because my dream job is to be a fired SEC coach. The problem is I'm never going to be good enough to be a hired SEC coach.

Speaker 11 But if you can get past that, then you're in good shape because nobody gives out buyouts like Auburn. Cuss Moussey got $21 million.

Speaker 11 Brian Harris is going to get $12 million.

Speaker 11 So I say, take the Auburn job, deal with all the crap, and you're going to be able to buy your own island.

Speaker 1 Who doesn't sign up for that? Yeah. It's pretty good.

Speaker 12 That's the difference in mentality, though. Like, because somebody that has a normal everyday person's mentality would never get good enough at coaching college football to be that successful.

Speaker 12 So it's a catch-22.

Speaker 12 So if you're Matt Ruhl and you're looking at the potential open jobs in college football, first of all, you think Matt Ruhl could just come back and take over like a solid top-tier program right now?

Speaker 12 Would they be lucky to have him? Or is he going to have to like maybe go back a couple steps and work his way back up?

Speaker 11 No, I think Matt Rule can get a pretty good job right now. And I think would do a very good job.

Speaker 11 You look at what he did at Baylor, which was in a really bad place when he got there, but he'd not worked in Texas before. He did a great job of hiring people.

Speaker 11 who could kind of guide him there and help him recruit there and understand the landscape there.

Speaker 11 One of them was a guy named Joey McGuire, who was a longtime high school coach in Texas, who was so good at Baylor that he became the head coach of Texas Tech. And that's what he is now.

Speaker 11 But Rule's smart enough to know that you have to put those people like Harson went to Auburn, but didn't want to do that. You know, Rule would do that.

Speaker 11 I don't think Rule will take Auburn or really be in the mix for that. If I had to guess, Rule might want like a Wisconsin type job, but it looks like Jim Leonard.

Speaker 11 Like, I think, Big Cat, you know this better than I do, but I think the timing of the firing of Paul Christ was to give Jim Leonard enough runway so that they could give him the job.

Speaker 11 So that would be the one I'd look at for Rule.

Speaker 11 My guess is he does TV and then waits this cycle out and sees what's available next cycle, because unlike Brian Harson at Auburn, Matt Rule did have an offset in his contract to Carolina.

Speaker 11 So whatever he makes in his next job comes out of the buyout. So he's making the same amount of money either way.

Speaker 11 So why don't I just go talk on ESPN for a year, chill, and then come back refreshed, rejuvenated, at a job that you like a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's also, for me, it's Matt Rule's a fantastic college coach. I think even Baylor, what he did at Baylor, but what he did at Temple, he got Temple to 10 wins.
Like, that's insane.

Speaker 1 I don't care where they played, getting Temple to 10 wins, like that doesn't just happen.

Speaker 11 Like the Manifesto works in college, right? Right. Pepsi tastes like Pepsi 100% of the time.

Speaker 1 It doesn't work for us. Yes, but it's one of those things that he got, the way he got fired in Carolina, the stink on him from how bad they were.

Speaker 1 It can all be erased by taking a year off and doing media.

Speaker 1 And then you can get the real, like, because I think he can get any job he wants right now, but he'd probably have to make some concessions and not, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's not the perfect fit for him. Whereas he waits a year and it's, it's, everyone's going to be like, whoa, remember Matt Rule? Like, the Temple and Baylor years outweigh the Carolina Panther years.

Speaker 11 He'll also be beloved on TV. Unlike most head coaches at that level, he can have a normal human conversation.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 11 And that makes you a star in TV.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's true. So, all right.
So kind of a similar situation, even though it might not appear this way from the outside looking in.

Speaker 1 What happens with Penn State and James Franklin? Because James Franklin is a case where he's at a school where the expectations don't meet the reality.

Speaker 1 And you could basically look at it one of two ways. You could say James Franklin isn't competing with Michigan and Ohio State anymore.
He won 11 games a couple times, but it was a while ago.

Speaker 1 Or you could say Michigan and Ohio State are just that much better. So we should just be happy that we're winning nine, 10 games and be good with that.

Speaker 1 So where do you think that, like, how do you think that all unfolds and where the Penn State fanbase is sitting right now?

Speaker 11 The Penn State fanbase is not happening. Not happy.
James Franklin did this new contract, and his salary is guaranteed 85% for the life of the contract. So they are not firing him anytime soon.

Speaker 11 It's not Jimbo Fisher ironclad, but it's close enough. So nothing's happening to James Franklin.

Speaker 11 Now, I will say, I kind of split the difference there because the way he's recruited, it feels like next year could be one of those years for them.

Speaker 11 So where they really are competitive with Michigan and Ohio State. I'm curious what they do going forward this season.

Speaker 11 Do they go with Drew Aller, the freshman at quarterback, and just see where his ceiling is? Do they try to get him ready so that when he takes over next year and has

Speaker 11 talent around him that is more comparable to Michigan and Ohio State?

Speaker 11 Is he ready?

Speaker 11 Or do they stay with Sean Clifford for the rest of this year and then figure out that all out in the offseason? I think that's the more interesting question going forward.

Speaker 11 And I kind of want to see how they play Ohio State. It's weird because that game against Michigan tracked with some of those games during a very good period for Penn State.

Speaker 11 You know, 2016 to 2018, they had really good teams that went to Michigan and got smashed. 2016, they beat Ohio State.
2018, they played them tough.

Speaker 11 My guess, they play Ohio State tough again. And everybody's like, well, you know, they were kind of close there.
So I guess it's all right. But no, they're not thrilled with James Franklin right now.

Speaker 11 I think they need to see some progress through the end of this year. And then there is hope,

Speaker 11 just judging by the way the recruiting has gone, that next year will be a little bit different.

Speaker 1 And it's so funny because in college football, you can have a loss that is okay with, you know, it's never okay for a lot of fan bases to lose, but the non-competitive losses in Michigan just, that was, I had the game very wrong.

Speaker 1 They absolutely bullied them. Like as, as, as severe as you can bully a team, that's what Michigan did to Penn State.

Speaker 1 And when it happens like that, it just, something about it feels feels different where you're like, whoa,

Speaker 1 we don't have a chance against these guys. That looked like a Michigan versus a Rutgers, not a Michigan versus Penn State.

Speaker 1 And that's when people are like, that loss is different than if Penn State went into Ann Arbor and lost by three in a thriller.

Speaker 11 I agree completely. And it was weird that Penn State was ahead in that game 17-16.
It was mostly because they played some good red zone defense and kept Michigan out of the end zone early.

Speaker 11 But on the podcast, we had a bet on that game, and I had taken penn state plus seven feeling pretty good about it i had to eat 30 bucks worth of taco bell on my show that's not a problem because of that although i will say now uh sharon more the o-line coach at michigan offensive coordinator who i i am happy to give a lot of credit for for this offensive renaissance at michigan i kind of want to hug him because I'd never had those little Cinnabon things.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They're so good.

Speaker 11 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Taco Bell. Those are crazy games.

Speaker 12 Andy, have you ever had Taco Bell breakfast?

Speaker 11 I have not. I was looking at that.
I'm thinking I might have to con my co-host into another bet involving Taco Bell just so I can do that.

Speaker 12 Take Rutgers against Michigan. Be like, yeah, you know what? I like the Scarlet Knights at home in Piscataway.

Speaker 12 Let's run it back. Let's go double or nothing, $60 worth, and then get like 10 breakfast crunch wraps with the sausage.
It will change your life. Those are the Cinnabon treats.

Speaker 1 By the way, Michigan, I don't know if you agree with this, but I had them wrong to begin the year because they played absolutely no one.

Speaker 1 Maryland was competitive with them, and I was like, that's weird. Like, Maryland, you know,

Speaker 1 they're better than the average Maryland, but still, Michigan should be able to beat Maryland. I'm now completely flipping.

Speaker 1 I think they absolutely can beat Ohio State again because of the style they play, and they just play that bully ball where if they're running the ball and they're doing it, and I love a coach like Jim Harbaugh who's like, if this is working, we're not stopping.

Speaker 1 We don't care if we never throw the ball. Winning is the most important thing.

Speaker 1 I'm so excited for for that game now because I thought all year it's going to be Ohio State's revenge. They're going to blow him out, everything.
Now it's like, Michigan might still be those guys.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that style travels.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 It doesn't matter if you're having a good day, bad day, home, road.

Speaker 11 That works pretty much everywhere. And,

Speaker 11 you know, I think it's a better version. of the one from last year.

Speaker 11 Now, they don't have the same elite pass rushers they had on the other side of the ball, which is what allowed them to really get after C.J. Stroud.

Speaker 11 I love the interior of Michigan's defensive line this year, but that offense, I think, is more dangerous because of J.J. McCarthy.

Speaker 11 And I love the way Harbaugh handled that situation at the beginning of the year. He had what amounted to an NFL preseason in his non-conference schedule, and he used it like one.

Speaker 11 He said, I'm going to give Cade McNamara the first game. I'm going to give J.J.
McCarthy the second game, and we'll make a decision based on that. The timing of that was intentional.

Speaker 11 Cade McNamara is coming off, leading them to a Big Ten title, but you know, you want to start JJ McCarthy. And I know Jim Harbaugh said it was biblical, wisdom of Solomon.
Who could have known?

Speaker 11 No, I think he knew.

Speaker 11 Cade starts.

Speaker 11 He's the opening day starter after leading to a Big Ten title. JJ comes in.
You're like, oh, this is different.

Speaker 11 And then everybody kind of accepts the reality. And JJ has not had to throw them to a win yet.
I thought what he said on Saturday after the game was perfect.

Speaker 11 He's like, look, if we're going to average like 7.6 yards of carry, I'm happy to be along for the ride. But I do think there may come a point where he has to, and I think he's capable of it.

Speaker 11 I think that's what makes them a little more interesting in a game against a better Ohio state. Like this Ohio State defense is a lot better than the one they played last year.

Speaker 11 Jim Knowles, the DC they hired this year, worth every penny. So they're going to need him if they want to beat Ohio State this time.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Yeah.
You were saying that the style of football travels. I think it travels.

Speaker 12 It gets better over the course of the year as it gets colder outside, as weather starts to become an actual thing that they have to deal with.

Speaker 12 But then once they get, once you get into the playoffs, I think they're in like Arizona and then the college football

Speaker 12 college football mecca of Los Angeles for the championship game. So that'll be nice.
And so that just spells disaster if Michigan does get into the playoffs.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I still don't know that they're necessarily equipped to deal with who they might see there if they have to play Georgia again, if they have to play Alabama.

Speaker 11 But I think they're getting closer and that's progress. Two years ago, we were were ready to run off Harbaugh and we're like, he's lost it.
There's no chance. They're done for.

Speaker 11 I think they've gotten better each of the past two years.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, not us. We always had us back.
I like this style of football, too. It's like the 90s are back.
We're going to just run the ball down your throat. And

Speaker 12 we got an offensive line built out of like feral hogs, and there's nothing that you're going to be able to do to stop it.

Speaker 12 It's fun to watch when all you see is just like, you know, electric passing attacks everywhere else. Having variety is good, I think.

Speaker 12 I want to talk about Texas real quick. Their next three games, pretty tough games.

Speaker 12 How many of those games do you think Texas has to win in order for the fan base to feel like real good, like real good about the direction they're heading in going into next year?

Speaker 11 For the fan base to feel good, they need to win three of them. Realistically, I think two would do.

Speaker 12 This is one that that Iowa State game,

Speaker 11 as frustrating as that probably was for Texas fans,

Speaker 11 be happy. That represents progress because they should have lost that game.
And I think in the past over the past 10 years, that's a game they would have lost.

Speaker 11 So the fact that they're sitting there at five and two right now, they lost a game they shouldn't have against Texas Tech, but then they got in a situation again against Iowa State where they should have lost, but they didn't.

Speaker 11 And I think that that's progress. But Oklahoma State, K-State, both of those on the road, both incredibly tough places to play.

Speaker 11 If you've never been to a game at Boone's Pickett Stadium or Bill Snyder Family Stadium, like if your team happens to be going there at a conference and you're like, I don't know if I want to make it, no, make the trip.

Speaker 11 I'm telling you right now, those are great places to watch a game.

Speaker 11 If they can be two and one in this stretch,

Speaker 11 I'm ready to start thinking maybe that they could be back next year because I look at the young offensive linemen they brought in that they've had to plug in and play. Those guys are getting better.

Speaker 11 And they were pretty good to start with. I can't even imagine second year that leap.

Speaker 11 This is starting to look like a team that actually meets its recruiting ranking at some point. And that's just not what Texas has been.
They've been a team that they would bring in these guys.

Speaker 11 They were highly talented recruits. And then none of them would make it to the NFL.
And they would just kind of.

Speaker 11 you know, they'd have a decent game against a good team every once in a while or maybe surprise Oklahoma, but then they'd lose to Iowa State or they'd lose to TCU.

Speaker 11 They feel different now, but they got to prove it. They got to prove it in this stretch.
And look, let's say they beat Oklahoma State and K-State and lose to TCU.

Speaker 11 I don't think there's any shame in that. TCU is really good this year, but

Speaker 11 this is the step they need to take. Like two and one in this stretch would show me they're taking the steps they need to be in a position next year to maybe compete for the Big 12 title.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I love TCU the way they play this year and that game against Oklahoma State.
It was too bad that it got over.

Speaker 1 Well, it was the Alabama, Tennessee game was like all time, but I was watching both at the same time. I was like, this is a great game.
What TCU is doing to come back in this game.

Speaker 1 Last conference I wanted to talk about, obviously ACC, Clemson.

Speaker 1 So a couple weeks ago, I was like, take Clemson 16 to 1 to win the national championship. They're not going to win it, but at that number, they're going to get there.

Speaker 1 Is there, it's already down to 10 to 1. Is there a chance they could even get to the final? Because I've watched most of their games.
The Wake Forest game was crazy.

Speaker 1 They had a lot of defensive backs out. Sam Hartman played out of his goddamn mind.
It was incredible.

Speaker 1 I do think once Clemson gets a little more healthy on defense,

Speaker 1 they are going to be right up there with everyone else in terms of just the way they play defense. And DJ Ungule

Speaker 1 is actually not so bad anymore. That's a nice thing.
Oh, no, I've changed my mind. This is, yeah.

Speaker 11 I'd say the past four weeks, I've gone from a DJ Uyungule doubter to DJ's good yeah he's just good like some of the there was a play he made the florida state game where they they send a corner blitz and the guy's got him dead to rights and it's like the guy realizes as he gets within two feet of dj holy crap this guy's 6'5 245 and dj just kind of sidesteps him and uncorks a beauty down the sideline and he just wasn't throwing that confidently last year.

Speaker 11 This is a different person that we're seeing this year. And

Speaker 11 I admit I was wrong on him. He is really grown up, and I love watching that offense play now.

Speaker 11 Defensively, you're right. They had some guys out.
I think their defensive line is nasty enough, actually, that if they get in the playoff, they might be able to beat somebody in the playoff.

Speaker 11 Because,

Speaker 11 again, we talk about things that travel. Well, Brian Brissie and Tyler Davis.
travel. Those guys are fantastic.
And so I think they have have the pieces to actually compete for a national title.

Speaker 11 Whether they could put it all together is another question. They've got Syracuse this week.
Syracuse is undefeated.

Speaker 11 I think Clemson's almost a two-touchdown favorite. My guess is they flex on Syracuse, and then we forget about them for the rest of the year.

Speaker 11 They keep on winning, and then they show up at a semifinal, and the other team's like, oh, crap.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They might be better than us.

Speaker 1 That's kind of my whole thought process is like, they have the dudes, like

Speaker 1 your co-host, Ari, stars matter. Like, they have the stars.
It was just last year was a down year. They won 10 games.
Their offensive line sucked. DJ sucked.
DJ also, he...

Speaker 1 That Notre Dame game screwed him so bad when he filled in for Trevor Lawrence and lit the world on fire and everyone's expectations for him went sky high.

Speaker 1 And then he had last year and everyone's like, this guy stinks. Now we're getting to see kind of the middle ground here.
And he's pretty good.

Speaker 11 He will miss like one or two throws a game that you'll be like, like what the fuck is going on with him but that's also an expectation of a five star that's probably unfair yeah and then the the number of misses has come down right and then the the thing is those are made up for by he's now going to make three four throws a game where you go how did he do that right and you didn't do you never said that last year but like that wake forest game he had two throws in overtime you're like

Speaker 11 i don't know if anybody else can make that yeah yeah

Speaker 12 um Andy, give me the ultimate chaos scenario that we can look forward to as the rankings start to come out. Give me one that'll just like that'll piss everyone off.

Speaker 11 I want

Speaker 12 you to say the words, and I want to just think to myself, oh my god, that would be awesome.

Speaker 11 Well, there'd be one group of people that would be happy about this, and they tend to be pretty annoying when they're happy. So you just be ready for that.
But everybody else would hate this.

Speaker 11 All right, here we go.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 11 Tennessee and Georgia play an absolute classic. Nine overtimes.
Anybody could win based on the bounce of the ball. Georgia wins.
Tennessee wins the rest of their games.

Speaker 11 Olemis and Alabama and Oxford play an absolute classic.

Speaker 11 Alabama wins

Speaker 11 with a walk-off field goal or an overtime, something like that. It's close.

Speaker 1 I know where this is going, and I already hate it.

Speaker 11 Alabama goes to Atlanta to face undefeated Georgia, beats them close.

Speaker 11 I'm just saying, people are asking,

Speaker 11 could Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and Ole Miss be the playoff?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Ohio State is going to add it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ohio State loses to Penn State, beats the shit out of Michigan, and then Illinois beats Ohio State in Indianapolis.

Speaker 11 You got that? And then the Pac-12 will take care of itself. Somebody's going to knock off TCU.

Speaker 11 Clemson loses to Syracuse this weekend. And then South Carolina just plays the game of its life and wins that, makes that a rivalry again.

Speaker 11 It's all coming together for the SEC. That plucky little SEC might just might just be their year.

Speaker 12 Damn. JMU dominates Marshall and goes on the road to Louisville, kicks the shit out of them.
Maybe they sneak in.

Speaker 11 Oh, well, listen, I don't know.

Speaker 11 As Scott Frost will tell you, losing to Clay Helton's Georgia Southern, just not great for your future prospects. It's not good.

Speaker 12 I said that I would cut my penis off if they made the college football playoff this year.

Speaker 12 A lot of people didn't realize that they're a solid bet when they make the playoff.

Speaker 11 The rules are in your favor. Yes.

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Speaker 1 I think we just have to. I feel like this has been the year where because Nebraska fired Scott Frost, they just get to be in every conversation, college football conversation.

Speaker 1 It's actually the most relevant Nebraska's been in a long time. They just had to fire their coach to have it happen.

Speaker 1 Where do you think it is right now? Like if you had to circle, I loved your idea of Jeff Monk and going to Nebraska and them just running the triple option on steroids.

Speaker 1 But if you had to guess right now, where are they leaning and who are they looking for?

Speaker 11 I think Lance Leopold would be be your favorite. He's the Kansas coach and did a great job.
Now, if Wisconsin's really open, if they are not just going to elevate Jim Leonard,

Speaker 11 that might be where Lance Leopold would land.

Speaker 1 He's from Wisconsin.

Speaker 11 Because he's a Wisconsin guy, coached at Wisconsin Whitewater, won a bunch of D3 national titles there. But,

Speaker 11 you know, Kansas is going to try to keep him. They're going to do everything they can to try to keep him and throw a bunch of money at him.

Speaker 11 But I think when you look at a guy who's built like that, it makes a lot of sense because he has

Speaker 11 Kansas was a bigger dumpster fire when he got there than Nebraska is now. Yep.
And that's saying something.

Speaker 11 And the fact that he turned it around as quickly as he did, well, it's not that different from a recruiting footprint standpoint or anything else. He understands the lay of the land very well.

Speaker 11 So that's one I would look at. I still think Matt Campbell can coach.
I know all the Iowa State people are out on him now and everybody's like, well, he missed his window.

Speaker 11 If you can make Iowa State win nine games in a season, you're a good coach.

Speaker 11 Like, you know what the hell you're doing and again similar recruiting footprint similar kind of builder i think that's a guy they should look at i know i know there's a lot of shine off him right now but i guarantee if they'd have beaten texas this weekend everybody everybody like well there it's matt campbell's job to lose now so that's another one i think and you know i for i hope mickey joseph gets a shot he's the interim coach right now he's got him playing better and and you know what if he keeps him playing better and then decide no we don't want to hire you i hope mickey joseph gets gets Colorado because I think he's showing he's worthy of a head coaching job.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You didn't mention Urban Meyer, so that's off the table.

Speaker 11 I'm guessing Urban feels like he could do a little better.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Maybe Notre Dame's open in a couple of years. That was a bad loss to Stanford.

Speaker 1 I just want to will Notre Dame and Urban Meyer because it would be the funniest marriage of all time.

Speaker 11 I think we missed our window in

Speaker 11 2004 going into 2005 when the Notre Dame Jet landed in Salt Lake City,

Speaker 11 but Florida's athletic director had already basically made the deal. Yeah.

Speaker 11 It was over then.

Speaker 12 I feel like that's a marriage even Notre Dame would not approve of.

Speaker 1 No, no, they wouldn't.

Speaker 4 There's a bridge too far.

Speaker 1 But Urban Meyer is that guy.

Speaker 1 He's the one guy out there where it's like, do you want to win a national title? Because you probably will.

Speaker 11 I don't know if they will. I'm not sure how Urban's management style works in the era of NIL and the transfer portal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true.

Speaker 11 It's a lot more like working in the NFL now.

Speaker 1 I just, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 General college coaches just realized that it doesn't work in the NFL. The only person that made it work was probably Pete Carroll, right?

Speaker 11 It was Pete Carroll. And,

Speaker 11 you know, the revisionist history of if Drew Brees had passed his physical, Nick Sabin would still be in the NFL right now.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Yeah.
There's that. I guess Jimmy Johnson, right? That kind of worked out.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that worked and probably could have kept working, except Jerry wanted to bring in Barry Switzer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess you could say Barry Switzer, too, if you're just going off Super Bowl wins.

Speaker 1 If you just say

Speaker 11 Barry Switzer had a Larry Coker-esque experience, though.

Speaker 8 Yes.

Speaker 1 If you just say, did they win a Super Bowl? Yes. The answer is yes.
Barry Switzer was a resounding success in a perfect job. Okay, well, Andy, thank you as always.

Speaker 1 It's been a very fun college football season.

Speaker 1 It feels like there was so much hand-wringing with NIL and stuff, and now we get to watch these games. That's been

Speaker 1 my main point forever is like everyone gets upset about the conference, the NIL.

Speaker 11 When the games are on you're gonna watch because there's nothing like it it's it's the whole offseason because the offseason is so long we get into the weeds of all this crap and and i always tell the people because they they'll yell at me i'm never watching this again now the guys are getting money or i did too many buyouts and all that shut up what are you gonna do on saturdays yeah exactly

Speaker 12 watch some college football absolutely yeah it does serve a valuable purpose which is it gives people an excuse if their team loses it's like well it's the nil bullshit yes yes um I'm out.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm out.
I'm out. I don't want to watch this anymore.
Andy, thank you so much. And appreciate you coming on.
We'll talk soon.

Speaker 11 All right. See you guys.

Speaker 1 Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 11 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, time for one question with the quarterback. Our new Wednesday feature that is

Speaker 1 taking the world by storm. Blake Bortle's retired.
Kirk Cousins stunted on us.

Speaker 1 And now we have our friend, recurring guest, national champion, Super Bowl participant, Joe Burrow from the Cincinnati Bengals. One question with the quarterback.

Speaker 1 PFT, I'm going to let you, you ask the first question of Joe.

Speaker 12 Thank you. Yeah, we have to be very efficient with these questions because we only get one.
So I'll just tell people to check out the Joe Burrow Foundation.

Speaker 12 I'll give you that plug right off the bat because I'm a nice guy. My

Speaker 12 question for you is: if you could get one guy for the month of December and the playoffs, so you're getting for the playoffs too to join the Bengals between Odell Beckham, LeBron James at tight end, or Harambe is alive again and he's playing defensive end.

Speaker 12 And he's doing a three-man rotation with Trey and Sam Hubbard. Who are you taking?

Speaker 1 You got to take Harambe, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, the strength to weight ratio is just way higher than humans.

Speaker 12 You got to get after the quarterback in the playoffs. You have to be able to heat him up.
Like, you got to take Josh Allen or Mahomes.

Speaker 12 I think the only person that's taking Josh Allen down is probably a silverback gorilla.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 9 That's, I mean, that's an easy seven sacks, a game, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 And I think we're kind of sleeping too. Like, Harambe could probably play two ways.
You could probably have him as your left tackle as well if you needed him.

Speaker 9 It depends on how great his cardio is.

Speaker 12 That's true. That's a good point.
Yeah. Like, does he have all the current injuries that he currently has?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Because if so, um, you'd probably run out of breath pretty quick. Yeah.
H-back.

Speaker 1 I like that. Yeah.
Um, okay, that was a good question. All right, Joe, my question is, this season,

Speaker 1 you guys are,

Speaker 1 seem to be writing the path. You, you had your appendix taken out before the season.

Speaker 1 Has there been any times this season where you've made a throw and you're like, damn, if I had my appendix, like I would have, that throw would have been good.

Speaker 9 No, not specifically. It was definitely took some time to

Speaker 9 get back to where I was pre-surgery, but you know, I'm feeling good now. So I think, I think we're going going to get it rolling.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.
I'm not

Speaker 1 a doctor or scientist. I just was curious if you make a throw and you're like, oh man, if I just had a little bit more of my body, internal organs, that throw might have been a completion.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you never know. You never know.
Okay.

Speaker 4 You don't have as much guts to spill.

Speaker 12 That's kind of the problem supermetrically.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Billy, do you have a question, Billy? Go ahead.
Oh, wait, hold on. Billy's mic's not on.
We're going to turn Billy's mic on. He's got a question.

Speaker 1 This is always scary when Billy has to ask a question.

Speaker 5 Hey, Joe, quick question. There's a clip going around the internet.
I want to get your take on it.

Speaker 5 There was a cough that happened during a press conference. Saw you're getting a lot of unfair flack about it and just wanted to hear your side of the story because it's important.

Speaker 9 I was what?

Speaker 1 What did you, what was the last part?

Speaker 5 Well, it's important because you're getting a lot of flack on the internet.

Speaker 12 That's not a question, Billy.

Speaker 4 You have to ask a question.

Speaker 1 His question is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, his question is: can he hear your side of the story of it with the cough? Yeah.

Speaker 9 I honestly don't even remember if I was reacting to the cough.

Speaker 9 I could have been. I do a lot of press conferences.
It was a while ago. I barely remember it, but

Speaker 9 so I don't even know. I don't think I was reacting to the cough.
I think it was reacting to something else.

Speaker 1 When was this press conference?

Speaker 5 People are saying that

Speaker 1 he was scared of a cough. Oh, okay.
So Billy just basically was like, are you a lib? Do you still think COVID exists?

Speaker 9 Are you asking if I'm frightened of loud noises?

Speaker 5 Without the appendix, immunocompromisation, we don't know.

Speaker 1 We don't know. Yeah, we don't know.
You're right. We don't know.

Speaker 9 You never know. You never know.

Speaker 9 Open-ended for the discussions.

Speaker 12 Next time we have you on, Billy's question will be, do you think COVID is real?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, I wish we had longer to discuss this topic.

Speaker 1 Joe, do you have a question for us to finish this off?

Speaker 9 big cat, how many donuts did you eat this weekend?

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Uh, so I got a little, I was at a wedding on Friday, I got a little banged up.
Um, so it was a lot. It was, I, I get six, and then I usually will just take a bite of all of them.

Speaker 1 Is this a, I feel like Booger put you up to this question. I'm not actually going to not, I'm not going to answer.
I'm not going to implicate myself anymore. This is bullshit.

Speaker 1 All the LSU guys are just like you call me on the spot, and so I throw out a question.

Speaker 9 What do you want from me?

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, that's fair. I just, I feel like the LSU guys, they're just really, they're really.
I'm going to LSU this weekend. It's going to be great.

Speaker 1 It'll be great. Yeah.
It's always fun. Yeah.
It's going to be a great time. Fred's.
It's going to be, it's going to be sick. Everyone should come out to the show.

Speaker 1 All right. I think we're out of questions.

Speaker 1 Unless anyone else in the room. Oh, Jake has a question.
All right. Last question from Jake.

Speaker 7 Hey, Joe, Jake Marsh, part of my take podcast.

Speaker 6 Which show do you enjoy more?

Speaker 1 This one or Calling Cowards? Ooh.

Speaker 1 Good question. Good question.

Speaker 9 I enjoy both of them equally.

Speaker 12 That's not true.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 12 next time you see him, that he's a fake soup guy.

Speaker 1 He doesn't really like soup.

Speaker 9 What does that mean?

Speaker 12 He pretends that he likes soup, but I guarantee if you ask Colin Coward to name six soups off the top of his head, he's going to be running to goo.

Speaker 12 He doesn't actually like soup. I think you can't.

Speaker 9 I don't need you to name six soups off the top of your head.

Speaker 12 You want me to name six right now?

Speaker 1 Six. Okay.

Speaker 12 Minestrone.

Speaker 12 We're going to go loaded baked potato, Manhattan clam chowder, New England clam clam chowder.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 9 we're counting chowders, okay.

Speaker 12 Then, I'll do chowder then, ramen. I'm gonna go with faux, and I'm gonna go with Avgo Limono soup, the uh, the Greek lemon chicken soup, my personal favorite.

Speaker 1 Chowder counts too, chowder, dude.

Speaker 12 Joe, you just got dunked on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was bad. That was bad for you.
That was really bad for you.

Speaker 12 Come at the king, you best not miss.

Speaker 1 Yeah, uh, Max, did you have a question? Maybe check your phone. See if you have a question.
Last question for Joe.

Speaker 1 This is from Max, our producer.

Speaker 14 Hey, Joe, pardon my take podcast here.

Speaker 1 Did you pick one show?

Speaker 14 If you could pick one show for the rest of his life or else you die, which show would you pick, Rs or Cowards?

Speaker 1 Answering that question.

Speaker 1 That was a good question, Max.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Joe, thank you for joining us for one question with a quarterback.
We've got to have you back on for a real interview sometime soon. And best of luck with the rest of the season, man.

Speaker 1 We love watching you.

Speaker 9 Yep. Sounds good, guys.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 All right. Thanks, Joe.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up the show. By the way,

Speaker 1 every time I try to type Schwarber, this is how much I love the guy in my phone on Twitter, it just always capitalizes because that's just how fucking awesome he is.

Speaker 1 What are we doing? FAQs and guys on chicks? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Let's do it, Hank. Hey, fellas, do you think Max could beat Billy up? I saw him easily outbenching Billy, and he had the Philly rage that Billy can't contend with as a soft-hand New Yorker.

Speaker 8 Also, please say, Thylands.

Speaker 1 Never outbenched me.

Speaker 8 Thanks, Big T meat Spin.

Speaker 8 Love meat spin.

Speaker 5 Okay, Max never outbenched me.

Speaker 4 Here's the thing.

Speaker 4 I've witnessed both Billy and Max

Speaker 4 Max bench on the same day. And the fact is, Max put up the full rack of weights with ease on the same very same day that Billy did not get the full bench.

Speaker 14 That is not true at all.

Speaker 1 That is true.

Speaker 4 On that day, it was true.

Speaker 1 On that day it was true, Billy.

Speaker 5 We just lie on the podcast.

Speaker 1 We just lie. No, we made a shit.
We just lie.

Speaker 4 We made a sheet about it.

Speaker 4 I benched as much as you did that day, which was 255. All he does is eat it.

Speaker 1 And then Max put up.

Speaker 4 All he does is

Speaker 1 give people 275. I'm going to go to 232 and lie.
Okay. 275.

Speaker 1 I like this question because there's a 0% chance that Billy doesn't end up triggered. But keep going.

Speaker 8 Well, I was going to say, the only other thing I would say, just for the, like, can confirm from the question is that Max does have those blue-collar filly hands with calluses.

Speaker 8 He doesn't even really do like

Speaker 8 that.

Speaker 1 And Billy does have the softest hands on the podcast.

Speaker 8 He still has calluses all over his hands.

Speaker 1 And it's confirmed. We did a test.
Billy has the softest hands on the podcast. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Also, one time, this is no joke. I walked past Max one day when he was editing.

Speaker 4 He was doing like a working lunch at his desk, and he was eating the biggest steak that I've ever seen just with a knife at work. It was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 Max is pretty much everything that Billy wants to be.

Speaker 5 Max, why don't you speak some truth to the people?

Speaker 14 You just want to call me fat so bad right now. I can just see it.

Speaker 1 No, I don't want to call you facts. See, I don't want to call you fat.

Speaker 5 That's not what I'm saying. Did you ever bench more than 275, which we both did? We both did that.

Speaker 1 True. See? No, no.

Speaker 5 That's some facts on the podcast. No, that is true.

Speaker 1 That is true.

Speaker 14 But then we both went to go. But then we both went to 290, 290,

Speaker 14 and I didn't get it, but you got stuffed immediately. And I was like.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So you can bench two.
Max can bench 285 and Billy.

Speaker 6 No, no, we tried.

Speaker 5 Neither of us did 285.

Speaker 1 Yeah, correct. Correct.
But he did. He did 290.
He almost did.

Speaker 8 He did 275 harder than you did. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 5 I'll give him that. But we both did it.

Speaker 1 So he's

Speaker 1 there.

Speaker 4 There was that one day that Billy didn't do 275, though.

Speaker 1 Because I was. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Well, you didn't let him PFC. That was your fault.

Speaker 8 Next question.

Speaker 1 The good thing is, Billy, you didn't take any of this as a joke, which it was meant to be a joke.

Speaker 4 I think actually that Max after a Phillies win versus Billy after a Jets loss would be, that would be a battle for the ages.

Speaker 8 How do y'all navigate around criticizing either past guests or guests you want to have on in the future?

Speaker 1 Oh, I saw

Speaker 1 went viral the other day. He's a piece of shit.

Speaker 4 What did he go viral for?

Speaker 8 He went viral. He was saying that Bill Murray was mean to them, or he didn't like them.

Speaker 1 To mean to like Chris Farley.

Speaker 8 And he came back to like guest host SML.

Speaker 1 That's a shame.

Speaker 1 We should bleep the name that I said there and just leave in all the context clips. So we never said that.
I never said that. I never said that.

Speaker 1 The truth is actually pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You can usually figure out exactly who we're defending because they've been on the podcast. I don't think that we really make that.
We don't really try to hide our biases. We're openly biased.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And more than that, I mean, we have taken from day one, PFT and I, Hank all like agreed, like, this is a podcast that is, we want people to come on, have fun, and come back, not play gotcha.

Speaker 1 So, we've even protected guests before. We've even, some of our favorite guests, we cut things out that they didn't even realize they said.

Speaker 1 Like, we'll, we, we want everyone, we don't want people to just get bad publicity that doesn't really serve the podcast and doesn't make anything funnier or fun.

Speaker 1 So, um, and then the few people that we don't like, you can pretty much figure out because we talk about them all the time. Like Dan Rio.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 All right. We're going to, I think

Speaker 8 next we're going to do Jimbos, by the way. We're going to bring them back.
So try not to send, send real ones. It's been enough time.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank, I have a question.

Speaker 8 There's just not. Meme sent me like three questions and two of them are not even good.

Speaker 1 Hank, I have a question real quick.

Speaker 4 What are Jimbos?

Speaker 8 Jimbos are from Jimbo.

Speaker 8 Not Jimbo Fisher. Jim Tom Sula.

Speaker 1 Jim Tom Sula.

Speaker 8 Jim Tom Sula. That's what he called his fuck up.
So he would say, you know, I fucked up and just call it a Jimbo.

Speaker 1 So in the early days of this show, if I was supposed to run, yeah, if I was supposed to run when I was a pat, when I I was supposed to run when it was clearly

Speaker 1 a running down and I passed, that's a Jimbo. That's on me.

Speaker 8 And he would just own up to it and be like, in the early days of the show, I think it was on Fridays, like before Firefest, we would talk about our biggest fuck-ups of the week and then have people submit fuck-ups.

Speaker 8 There was the classic Pizza Hut fuck-up.

Speaker 8 And so that we did those for a while, but then people started sending bad ones, so we stopped. But we're going to bring them back because these FAQs are now bad.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 1 We'll put in, maybe we should re-release on our YouTube the best Jimbos, which the Pizza Hut one. Just put that up there as a short so people can get an idea.
Maybe the hardest I've ever laughed.

Speaker 1 So give you an idea of what Jimbos were. It was one of those things that then became, people were just making stuff up, but we do, you know, day one AWLs know that Jimbos were great at the beginning.

Speaker 1 So we'll try to reclaim that glory.

Speaker 5 And shout out Billy for Jimbo's, he said Jimbo's has just always been one of my favorite OG segments that I just used. That's how I fell in love with the show.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 fellas!

Speaker 8 Asked for a Mintzy voice.

Speaker 8 Where do you guys see the show going in the future? It seems like you guys have got most of the white whale interviews.

Speaker 8 Is there a way you guys plan on keeping ideas fresh and exciting or just going with the flow? Especially with the mood of Chicago and the horizon.

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 4 Yep, we're actually going to take the show into the metaverse next year. It's going to be exclusively in the metaverse.
So buy your $75,000 helmet from Mark Zuckerberg.

Speaker 1 Okay, real answer.

Speaker 1 We do still have some white whales out there. And I know that obviously, you know, we don't.
try to delve too far into comment sections, everything, because it will poison your brain.

Speaker 1 And it does keep us fresh.

Speaker 1 You can see see billy's brain um freshly poisoned every day uh but i i would say that yes there are some repetitive nature to the show but the non-repetitive nature is the sports that's what keeps it fresh sports are always there's always a different sports story there's always you know the seasons change and that's why i love doing the show because i like talking sports with you guys so it's like you know when every year like when football season ends it's a little sad but it's also like hey i'm ready to talk about a different sport and then we go to something else and then summertime it's like let's do something different let's talk do mount rush more so i feel like the calendar year in its own keeps us fresh it's funny because there's always like one person that'll be like fastest two minutes is the worst i skip forward through it every single week and then you but you look at everybody else

Speaker 4 Yeah, we all, well, we intentionally skip the Jets, the Packers. Who else do we intentionally skip?

Speaker 1 The Ravens. Yeah, Ravens.
I think I realized that.

Speaker 1 Whenever the Bears lose, I don't put them in.

Speaker 8 I think because the Jets have won, I think, is like people are like Jets fans are like listening. Like, why don't you put the Jets in?

Speaker 1 It's like, I've never seen that before ever. But it's only because

Speaker 8 it's been good in the past two weeks.

Speaker 1 And we've said it a million times.

Speaker 1 The fast two minutes are pretty much random.

Speaker 1 Like, we pick eight to nine games, and sometimes we'll even pick a game, start it, have nothing good, and then go to the next game and just be like, let's just do not do this game.

Speaker 1 So it's, we will do, I actually kind of want to not do the Jets. Well, we did that.

Speaker 4 We did that a couple years ago. I forget what team that we did that we just intentionally never included the entire series.
Maybe it was the Dolphins.

Speaker 4 I think it might have been the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We should, we should, you know what we should do? Let's, let's do this.
Um, we will include the Jets in every fastest two minutes when they lose and never include them when they win.

Speaker 6 I like that.

Speaker 1 That will get people so mad. And if you're listening to this right now, you know we're doing this intentionally to piss people off.
But yeah,

Speaker 1 what PFT was saying is right.

Speaker 1 Like you could find, if you wanted to just dig deep into the internet, you could find a complaint about everything that this show has ever done, about each one of us a million times over.

Speaker 1 But I think for the majority of listeners, the vast majority of listeners, they enjoy the show, and we love them for that. So you can't listen to the 3%,

Speaker 1 1%,

Speaker 1 that will pick apart every little thing that you say.

Speaker 8 Also, Chicago

Speaker 1 changer, too.

Speaker 8 I think that will, that will be fresh. Yeah, Chicago, the offices are going to be sick.
I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 8 Everything will be fresh just based off of us being in a new place and in a a new office.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the offices are going to be sick. And by the way, the 1% that do pick apart everything we say, I actually don't even hate them because it's like it fills their day with something.

Speaker 1 Well, it's a lot of people. And they just hark on everything that we say to you.

Speaker 8 They have to listen to everything.

Speaker 4 Who's actually listening? Like, that's the person that is paying the most attention is the person that's able to pick everything apart.

Speaker 1 Right. And I do,

Speaker 1 especially in football season, because we talk about every team and we talk about the entire league. So we're not experts about any specific team.

Speaker 1 And we will get the experts chime in about their specific team, being like, you got this wrong. It's like, you know what? I probably did because we're doing a fucking big view of everything.

Speaker 1 So you're right. I didn't know that the left tackle went out in the second quarter and that changed the outcome of the game.

Speaker 4 Exactly. They'll be like, Raheem Mostert actually didn't get any touches in the third quarter.
And I'll be like, yeah, I, or they'll say, do you even watch the games?

Speaker 1 I'll be like, kind of. Yeah,

Speaker 4 it was on one of the TVs and I was watching it.

Speaker 1 I think we do a pretty good job for talking about all of them and having no expertise whatsoever. Yep.

Speaker 1 Except for Bill. Next one.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was it.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was it. Oh, I had one more.
There was one sent to me.

Speaker 1 Let's see. Where was it?

Speaker 1 Let's.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 This one was.

Speaker 1 Hi, longtime AWL. I have an FAQ.
With years of doing the show three times a week, I was wondering if, after all those shows, has Hank ever guessed the correct number at the ping pong ball machine?

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 1 Hank?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No. That's too bad.

Speaker 1 That's too bad, dude.

Speaker 4 Oh, did you guys see the story that just came out about

Speaker 4 Jerry Jones?

Speaker 4 Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft.

Speaker 1 What is Billy Space? It's like

Speaker 6 what's her name, Violet Beauregard, and Willie Wonko, which turns blue.

Speaker 5 Oh, no, that's just a... No, Mitzi's going nuts in the apartment over, and I don't know what he's yelling at.

Speaker 1 Wait, what was what was the story, PFT?

Speaker 4 Uh, Jerry Jones is trying to take money out of Roger Goodell's pocket again, trying to redo his contract because he thinks he makes too much money.

Speaker 4 And uh, Robert Kraft was uh was disagreeing with him because Robert Kraft loves Roger Goodell. Goodell was at his wedding, I think.
That was kind of weird.

Speaker 4 Um, and then Jerry Jones just screamed at him, Don't fuck with me.

Speaker 4 And then Kraft was like, Excuse me. And Jones clarified and said, Don't mess with me.

Speaker 1 I love all this shit. And Jim Ursa, Ursay,

Speaker 1 your white knight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's out. And it's so great because everyone's like, wow, Jim Ursai's got bald.
No, Jim Ursa, literally, every bad thing he's ever done is public. So Dan Snyder can't do anything to him.

Speaker 4 It's actually perfect. It's kind of the Dave Portnoy method where it's like everything that he's done is out there.

Speaker 4 You can't find something that he hasn't already talked about.

Speaker 4 So it's, I thank you, Jim Ursae. I actually, I DM'd him earlier today.
I was like, thank you, sir, for standing up for what's right. And he thumbs upped it.

Speaker 1 Oh, hell yes.

Speaker 4 If Jim Ursai,

Speaker 4 if he can get Dan Snyder out, I will get.

Speaker 1 I'll become a Colts fan.

Speaker 4 The Colts will be my AFC team for sure.

Speaker 4 I will root almost as hard for the Colts. And they'll probably get...
It'll be nice, too, because the Colts will get quarterbacks that the Commanders will get just like one year before.

Speaker 4 And then they'll filter through. I will become a Colts fan in the AFC if Jim Ursai does this.
And I think he's going to because you've never heard an owner say anything like this before.

Speaker 4 It just doesn't happen. He was like, yeah, I think we need to get him out.
I think we need to force him to sell. Fuck yeah, Jim Ursa.

Speaker 4 I've always said, Jim Ursai is what I think I would be like if you gave me like a billion dollars, buy every guitar out there, get like crazy, crazy amps and like pieces of Americana, jam out with all your musical heroes, and then own a football team.

Speaker 4 And then

Speaker 4 not be drug guys. And then once a week, you just send off a tweet being like, yeah, the roof's open.
There you go. My job's done.
I fucking love Jim Burse. I always have.
Jimbo, I love you.

Speaker 1 Please do the right thing for the league, for the Colts, for our Colts, and for America.

Speaker 1 I'm rooting for this just so that you can just be ride or die with the Colts and then have to explain it anytime anyone asks, like, you're a Commanders and Colts fan?

Speaker 1 You're like, well, how much time have you got?

Speaker 4 Yeah. No, this, I mean, it would be huge.
I've said that I would get like a tattoo of whatever.

Speaker 4 I've said a lot of things about what I would do for Dan Snyder.

Speaker 4 You'd cut your dick off, you said, if you got a no, I never said I said I would cut my dick off if JMU won or was invited to the playoff.

Speaker 4 And then that sick fuck, Darren Revelle, tweeted out, I've never rooted harder for a team, including Northwestern, before. What a fucking freak Darren Revell is.

Speaker 1 He wants your dick. You know what he wants to do is he wants to buy it.

Speaker 4 It was memorabilia.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he would definitely.

Speaker 1 I own over one piece of PFT's body.

Speaker 4 Yeah, over half of a piece of PFT's body.

Speaker 1 Okay, number. So, Hank,

Speaker 1 you've not gotten this, right?

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 just making sure I wanted to answer that person's question. I'll go 37.
18.

Speaker 4 91.

Speaker 8 I don't think this.

Speaker 8 I don't want to do this one.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 You think it'll be Mickey? You're not lying if you don't play.

Speaker 8 You're not here? I'm not there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I think the real machine. Come on, Hank.
Hank, Hank.

Speaker 4 McChake's not going to cheat.

Speaker 1 Hank, I'll run over to you. This is one step.
I'm going to celebrate with you.

Speaker 1 Hank, this is one step closer to you getting that $5,000. Come on.

Speaker 8 17. No, 5.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 5. Oh, no.
Oh, no. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 I changed mine to 17.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Memes has six.

Speaker 4 17.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 4 Jake's at attention.

Speaker 1 Perfect posture.

Speaker 6 93.

Speaker 1 93. Wow, that would have been electric if it was 17.
All right. We'll see everyone on Friday for a weekend preview.

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