Packers ST Coordinator Rich Bisaccia, Will Zalatoris Wins A Tournament + Mt Rushmore Of Bad Idea

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We got coach Rich Basaccia, now special teams coach for the Packers, was the interim head coach for the Raiders last year.

Speaker 1 Great interview with him. All-time football guy through and through.

Speaker 1 We also have Mount Rushmore of line. What do we have? Bad ideas.
Mount Rushmore, bad ideas. We just did two Mount Rushmores, so I got confused.
Mount Rushmore, bad ideas.

Speaker 1 With a bonus, Will Zalatoris watching the last hole live during the Mount Rushmore segment. We have Who's Back of the Week.
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Speaker 1 Today is Monday, August 15th, and Will Zalatoris has finally done it. Congrats, Will.
Very proud of you. He also got a tweet from Adam Sandler.
Yes. Saying, congratulations.
Happy's happy for you.

Speaker 1 Yes. We're all happy for you.
It was crazy. It's got to be surreal, right? Yeah.
Because I'm sure that Will Zalatoris, when he was growing up, probably got compared to Happy Gilmore's Caddy a lot.

Speaker 1 And it probably sucked for him at the time. time.

Speaker 1 But then to get a congratulations tweet from Adam himself on the day that you win your first tournament, that's big.

Speaker 1 The entire playoff that they had was just fucking nuts. Yeah, it was nuts.
And we have a little time capsule for you.

Speaker 1 So when we started Rushmore, Mount Rushmore today, we were actually doing it at 6 o'clock. And you can hear us live the last hole.
It was insanity.

Speaker 1 The fact that we had a three-hole playoff, sudden death, three-hole playoff, and there were three different penalties taken.

Speaker 1 And Wills Alatorus, his ball, like I guess it ended up, it didn't make a difference if it went in the water or not, but his ball bouncing and staying on that rock, I still don't.

Speaker 1 That's like a billion-to-one shot. It's incredible.
Yeah, but it was a fantastic finish. Basic PFT voice.
Golf playoffs, go home, you're drunk. Yeah, it was.
I mean, they were drunk.

Speaker 1 And Will Zalatoris also, I mean, he, what did he finish this year? I think he finished second

Speaker 1 like four or five times, including second in three of the four majors.

Speaker 1 So he was, they were saying on the broadcast that he made $6.7 million this year, and that was the most money that anyone's ever made without winning a tournament. So he finally wins one.

Speaker 1 That was the drama on Sunday. We're still,

Speaker 1 it's preseason football. It was cool to have all the preseason games going on.
I like how it's all spread out. So it's like, oh, Friday night.
Oh, there's three games. Oh, Saturday afternoon.

Speaker 1 Oh, cool. Let's watch a couple games.
Sunday, there's a little extra game. It's nice.
I like preseason football. I did okay on it this week, and I've got a little system.

Speaker 1 I don't know how it's going to carry over into weeks two and three, but week one, it was pretty strong.

Speaker 1 You just bet on whatever coach, if it's a matchup between a rookie head coach and a coach that's been in the league before, you bet on the rookie head coach to win. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because I think somewhere deep down, they would prefer to win their very first game that they play in. They might make some decisions towards the end of the game that they're actually trying to win.

Speaker 1 Right. As opposed to you look at some of the older guys like Belichick.
I think Peyton was this way too, where they just don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 And then, oh, also bet on the Ravens because the Ravens are the best team to ever play preseason football. They're incredible.
And yeah, it was, you know, preseason football.

Speaker 1 I think we all had the moments. I mean, Billy and memes, you had a scary moment on Friday night.
Zach Wilson threw

Speaker 1 it was Jameis-esque, pre-Lasic Jameis. Jameis is now an MVP candidate, but

Speaker 1 he just threw a perfect pass to the middle linebacker and gave up pick six. And then

Speaker 1 non-contact knee injury, not ACL, but what was going through your head Billy when that happened because that was that was scary it was the worst sequence of moments in a preseason like literally so much hope going in and like you know hopefully there's been improvement and just interception

Speaker 1 almost ACL it was just the worst sequence of events but I looked at the tape the linebacker did fake a blitz kind of disguised well nice it was supposed to be a routine uh dump off to the stick a very safe pass and you know the linebacker got a little got a little greasy.

Speaker 1 So it was a better play by him than a worse play by Zach Wilson. Right, it was very well disguised.

Speaker 1 Like, that's something that you see on film, and since he didn't have any of that on film, like, so we'll see. The linebacker ran play action on him, exactly.

Speaker 1 Pretended to defend against the run, yeah, and then dropped back. I mean, it's a typical thing, it's something to spot.

Speaker 1 He should have, you know, but he was trying to get out fast, and the linebacker got under.

Speaker 1 It was tough on the on the group text because it was, uh, I think memes was already like Jimmy G.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm going to love watching Jimmy G on the Jets because that, you know, obviously everyone thinks, you know, Mike LaFleur is their offensive coordinator and Salaf from San Francisco.

Speaker 1 They're like, Jimmy G is going to be on the Jets by Monday. But thankfully, you have Zach Wilson.

Speaker 1 I'll address that more in my who's back. Oh, oh, okay.
Do you have multiple who's backs? You want to just do it now? Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know who looked amazing? I'm having a conversation. You know who looked amazing? Joe Flacco.
Sam Ellinger. Oh, he actually, yeah, he did.
He looks amazing. He did.
He did. He did.

Speaker 1 I mean, I saw a stat line. Two touchdowns, 10 and 11.
Did you actually watch Sam Ellinger play? I saw the highlights. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They were sick highlights. Yeah.
Yeah. In your defense.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's preseason is, it's really, it's, it's such a test for football fans because it really is like, I was watching the Bears game on Sunday or on Saturday, and I was like, don't get upset about this.

Speaker 1 Don't get upset about this. And then if Justin Fields made a nice throw, and I was like, dude, he's fucking awesome.
It's like, you can't, you just, it's so hard to watch it and let it not bother you.

Speaker 1 And then you automatically, if a good play happens, you're like, this is the best. We're back.

Speaker 1 There was stuff coming out of training camp for the Jets that Joe Flacco was performing very well. And it was like, should we just start Joe Flacco because he's performing better?

Speaker 1 But the thing is, that's what I was thinking about when Zach Wilson got hurt. I hope Zach Wilson has a very speedy recovery.
But, I mean, then you don't have to make that decision. And then

Speaker 1 it's bad if that if you're, if you're, if your first-round pick is in in the second year and you're talking about starting a guy who's 40, that's bad. No, but

Speaker 1 that was more just something that was more just like fodder to write about for the sports writers, but like then if that was a true in that situation, then you could put Flacco in.

Speaker 1 This is Billy is like, I think this is just osmosis and being around us long enough. He's becoming a master of the spin zone in terms of sports.

Speaker 1 Like what you just did, I'm proud of you because that's true. Like, you're like, well, now they don't have to make a decision, and we can just see if Joe Flacco's going to be.

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson, you better be back by week one because if you're not and Flacco goes out and he throws four touchdowns as he usually does,

Speaker 1 it's going to be very tough to bench Joe Flacco at that point. Yeah.
I'm just so happy to be talking about football again. Yeah.
This is like so fun. Yeah.
Because Jake has a stat.

Speaker 1 If Joe Flacco plays week one, you know who's on the schedule? Ravens Jets. Ravens games.
Week one. Oh, my God.
You see, Lamar Jackson added 18 pounds of muscle.

Speaker 1 I feel like that's probably not going to go great. I think he just hasn't shit in a while.
I don't know. I think he's way Thursday night football.
He looks clear some of that out. He looks thicker.

Speaker 1 Like it's I don't I don't know. I feel like he's not gonna be as quick.
This might be his way of holding out.

Speaker 1 He might be pulling a James Harden because he says that he's not gonna negotiate his contract after the season starts and then he's gonna go into this offseason as like a lame duck court.

Speaker 1 It's very weird what's going on

Speaker 1 right now. Would you go into the offseason as a free agent, right? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So this would be his like lame duck.

Speaker 1 But it's it's very weird what's happening with him and they better they better lock him up because if he hits the open market, he's going to get paid.

Speaker 1 It's weird, and this is just like my own personal experience with guys who put on a ton of weight and then they play.

Speaker 1 Like, how they do, either you get serious injury prevention from some injuries, like broken bones, just like, you know, concussions, you know, impacts aren't as bad, but then you have the double-edged sword.

Speaker 1 Is the body capable of moving at that weight? You get like non-contact. Right.
Zach Wilson, he put on a bunch of weight this offseason. Yeah.
He had a non-contact.

Speaker 1 Well, and I'm talking more about like Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 He looks thicker, and it's probably good because he does sustain some hits, although part of like what makes him great is he's able to kind of elude those hits.

Speaker 1 But I just can't imagine gaining 18 pounds of muscle. Like, you can't tell me he's going to be as fast.
He has to lose at least a little bit of quickness.

Speaker 1 And you know that it's not, you know, everyone talks about 18 pounds of muscle. No one ever actually puts on pure muscle.
I mean, it's definitely, it's a mix. You know, there's always a a mix.

Speaker 1 You're always putting on, you know, like a little bit of fat, depending on the ratio. So it's not all functional weight.
So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 All right, so that was talking Lamar Jackson's body type. I like that.
I like that a lot. He is very low body fat, but

Speaker 1 there's going to be some added non-functional weight.

Speaker 1 I think he would look better to have a little bit of that Russell Wilson cake and a little bit less of the Lamar Jackson pie. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 Thick that out a little bit. Yeah.
What else do we have going on? I mean, there was soccer drama. We had a a Harbosh Schwartz handshake off in Tottenham, Chelsea.

Speaker 1 That was talking soccer. Yeah, that was talking soccer.

Speaker 1 There was a few more things that happened in football. We got to see Baker Mayfield in a Carolina Panthers jersey.
Yep. Fucking weird.

Speaker 1 I knew it was going to be weird because they've got such a like 90s modern color scheme that Baker was not going to look natural in it.

Speaker 1 He looked good when he was playing for the most part, but like I'm not going to get used to seeing him in a Carolina Panthers jersey. No, he definitely.

Speaker 1 'Cause the Browns in Oklahoma Oklahoma had like

Speaker 1 understood. Yeah,

Speaker 1 similar look. Now, this play.
Yeah, it looks like Captain Planet hit with a strobe light on the Panthers. That's not Baker Mayfield's game.
He looks like he's playing in NFL Europe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what it is. He's playing for the Berlin Hammers or whatever the fuck they were.
It's very strange. Matt Rule's glasses have gotten bigger.
He wears the biggest sunglasses in the world.

Speaker 1 Now they cover up his entire forehead. Yep.
Sam Howell, future Super Bowl MVP. That was nice to see.

Speaker 1 Kenny Pickett, nice little drive

Speaker 1 to win for the Steelers.

Speaker 1 I mean, the Steelers, I don't really know what they're doing because they have like three.

Speaker 1 I actually think that if you were like, who's got the best three quarterbacks? I think the Steelers are the answer. Yeah, they've got elite.
Rudolph, Trubisky, and Pickett.

Speaker 1 Like, I think if you had to go three deep. I think Rudolph kind of sinks that a little bit.
Yeah, a little bit. But who else has, who can go three deep?

Speaker 1 Do the Steelers have the best starting three.

Speaker 1 Zach Dosen, Mike White, Joe Flacco. That's pretty big.
That's a three-headed monster. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I just, it was like kind of, I think I might have just bet the Steelers every preseason game because like every one of their quarterbacks isn't like a backup hanging on. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I would say maybe the 49ers. Colts.
Jimmy G,

Speaker 1 Wendy Lance, and Colts have two, I think they have Nick Foles. Oh, yeah, Matt Roberts.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, and Sam Ellinger.

Speaker 1 They win. Yeah.
Okay. It's just a fun little debate to have.

Speaker 1 Who's got the best starting three? three?

Speaker 1 Trying to think of other ones.

Speaker 1 Who's the third? Panthers.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, they got P.J. Walker, right? Saints, Saints, Dalton and Jameis and Ian Book.
Ian Books thinks that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the Panthers are definitely up there. Although Sam Darnold and Baker, like, what?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Bills of Case Keenum.

Speaker 1 Matt was drilled. Case Keenum did the video where he was like pretending to get...
He was like, who will recognize me getting signatures from other Bills fan, like, Bills players?

Speaker 1 But he didn't even wear a disguise. It was just like, everyone was like, dude, what are you doing? Like, Josh Allen was like, what's up, Case?

Speaker 1 It was a

Speaker 1 Case just likes weird videos. Yeah, I feel like he's always good for one of those every year where it's like training camp, weird, funny videos.
So the joke was like, he just looks like a normal guy?

Speaker 1 He kind of put down his bucket hat a little bit. So didn't really show his face.

Speaker 1 I feel like Case Keenum, Case Keen will be the guy who does a video at Sports Authority and be like, no one knows that it's me. It's like, well, you're Case Keenum.
Like,

Speaker 1 yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay, Case. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I remember Woodhead did that for a while.

Speaker 1 He was the king of that. He would show up.
I think he did a dick sporting goods thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it was funny because he was selling, people were buying Danny Woodhead jerseys, and he was the guy that was selling them the Danny Woodhead jerseys. Right.

Speaker 1 But they didn't know that that was Danny Woodhead selling that jersey. Right.
That's fucking. That's some high-level internet right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know what else happened with the NFL preseason. Watson got chanted.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you sick fuck. Yeah, you sick

Speaker 1 by the Jaguars fans. Best thing the Jaguars fans probably ever done.
No, swimming in the pool with a denim on. Yeah, that was pretty good.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I guess that's true.

Speaker 1 Getting your head stuck in the Jaguars statue outside the stadium. Yeah, so he's done a lot of cool stuff.
That's like the Mount Rushmore, and then the Jackson Deville, like

Speaker 1 didn't he get strung up or something? Yeah, Jackson Deville is the greatest mascot, I think, in professional sports.

Speaker 1 He gets lowered in on a zipline.

Speaker 1 He gets lowered in on a zip line, and he was just completely passed out, and his neck was like drooping forward. Yeah, that was awesome.
That happened with the Nuggets mascot, too.

Speaker 1 Remember that video? That was fucking sick. Tim Kennedy Stew's guy went off.
Yes. Our guy.
Yeah, our guy. You know him.
Yeah. Tim Kennedy from Farmingdale went off.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's going to be a good hard knock. Jared looked great.
Yeah, I'm excited for Hard Knocks. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It was definitely the beginning of the, I can't wait to watch this Lions game so I can see all the plays that I'm going to see shot with a different camera on hard knocks the following Tuesday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what is he going to yell about? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What? Fernando Tati.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That was going to be my

Speaker 1 ringworm for Fernando Tatis, 80 games. You got to be feel real.
The Padre's statement that came out. I wouldn't say it was great for Fernando.

Speaker 1 But it's realistic. No, I know.
They were very honest. They're like, yeah,

Speaker 1 we expect to have trust both ways and something is clearly broken because this sucks. Yeah, so I have him on my fantasy team and I cut his ass the second I found out about this.
Nice.

Speaker 1 So Leroy gave me the heads up.

Speaker 1 I brought the ghost of Leroy came back for a brief time on Friday night, got a tip, got a couple tips saying that Fernando Tatis was going to be suspended for the rest of the season because of PEDs.

Speaker 1 And so I immediately went to my fantasy app and tried to trade Fernando Tatis. Is that, like, is that a code break? No.

Speaker 1 If we're talking about, like, should I have gotten smacked in my face by somebody for using inside info that they didn't know? No.

Speaker 1 So I wasn't able to find a trade partner in the 15 minutes in between when I found out and when Jeff Passan reported it. But

Speaker 1 I stand with the Padres in solidarity that we've come this far without Fernando Tatis. We don't need him.
We're going to keep moving on.

Speaker 1 And like it just, it sucks for them because they built everything up to win a title in the next year or two. And now you have this guy out.
I don't understand why.

Speaker 1 Didn't he test positive like a while ago? I don't know why. That's usually how it happens in baseball.
You test positive, then there's an appeals process.

Speaker 1 That's like Cam Smith today. That fucking sucked for anyone who bet Cam Smith on Saturday night, and he shows up to the driving range and they hit him with a two-stroke penalty.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which is this league with LivTour. Of course, and then big time.
It was also this league. Did you see Scotty Shuffle? Yeah, step in his line.
Yep. Don't step in another man's line, Haas.

Speaker 1 Big time. Big time.

Speaker 1 Okay, anything else? Last thing on Tatis, his excuse for the ringworm medication, it's a totally different compound.

Speaker 1 So I think it's like whatever the word is, then like euthanate or something, acetate afterwards, and that's a totally different compound that's used to take out ringworm than the one he tested positive for.

Speaker 1 So he's just bullshit. So he still has ringworm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Untreated. Got it.
What is ringworm? I think it's fungal. Yeah, it's like when you're really good at wrestling, you get it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're just rolling around on mats with dudes. You get ringworm.
Okay, that makes sense. I have a bad fungus right now.
What?

Speaker 1 You know, we're on a mic right now.

Speaker 1 What's going on? No, well, now you have to say it. I got this thing on my back.
Doesn't itch, doesn't hurt. What does it look like?

Speaker 1 It turns red.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I can die.

Speaker 1 How do I put it on the camera?

Speaker 1 Take it all the way off. Take your shirt off.
Let's see your fungus. Where is it? Are you talking about pimples? You have pimples?

Speaker 1 No, it's fungus.

Speaker 1 You have back acne?

Speaker 1 It shows up in the heat. Yeah, oh, Billy, I know what that is.
That's tinniaversicola. Yeah, how do I get rid of it? You know what you should do? You should get some

Speaker 1 dandruff shampoo, get like selsom blue,

Speaker 1 and then rub that on your back every day. Also,

Speaker 1 if you being on time helps it. True.

Speaker 1 You'll also get that in Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore today

Speaker 1 was a chaotic mess because one of the mics wasn't working. Billy showed up halfway through.
And also, we were watching Will Zalatoris win his first PGA champion. It's very, very good.

Speaker 1 Billy's not in trouble, just so everyone knows. No.
But it was great. It was great watching, hearing all of it.
Billy, Selson Blue. You're real fun.
Just rub it on you.

Speaker 1 Hey, Billy, you're a real fun guy.

Speaker 1 Thanks. Nice.
All right, let's do our Who's Back of the Week, and then we'll get to Rich Bisacha, who all-time football guy. Like, just

Speaker 1 he didn't, he liked us, and then we had a couple questions that he didn't like us, but I think there was, like, we love him more.

Speaker 1 Like, it was one of those interviews where it's like, he might not like us, but we love him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we love him because he's the exact kind of football guy that doesn't have time for like two slap dicks with a podcast questions yeah but he also

Speaker 1 he had a great I forget what the exact phrase that he uses but he you know how Belichick every year when they ask him about social media he'll be like oh I'm not on snap face yeah you know like where he just makes up a social media thing yeah he did that he did that too

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Uh, okay, uh, Batgirl, are you. Hank is on vacation.
Do you have a who's back?

Speaker 1 You are sitting in his seat. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Vacation's back. Okay, there we go.
All right, nice one. Nice one.
You didn't know that you were going to be called on, so that's fair. I did have a backup.

Speaker 1 I was either going to go that or shorts and pants.

Speaker 1 Wait, why are pants back? It was kind of cold this weekend. It was.
It was beautiful. Yeah,

Speaker 1 switching pants. Pants are back.
Yeah, it was beautiful. It was like the perfect temperature in the city.
It made you start to feel like fall's coming and football's coming.

Speaker 1 That first crisp of the air when you're just like, oh.

Speaker 1 I got tickets to the whiteout at Penn State. My girlfriend went there, so

Speaker 1 who are they playing?

Speaker 1 Minnesota, which kind of sucks. Oh, that's...
Why are they wasting a whiteout? I know Minnesota. I have no idea.
What? Yeah, that's tough. Yeah.
What's the rest of their schedule?

Speaker 1 Wait, but they're not that good when they do whiteouts, right? Right. Yeah.
Yeah, so they're not really.

Speaker 1 When we think of them wasting it, it's like, that's actually a perfect use for a whiteout because you don't want to do the whiteout against like in Ohio State. Well, that's what they've been doing.

Speaker 1 Although they did win the famous one. Yeah, they have a home game against Ohio State and Michigan State.
Oh, man. All right.
Minnesota whiteout. Okay.
PFT, your who's back.

Speaker 1 Well, I was going to have Leroy as my who's back. He's a very good boy.

Speaker 1 But we talked about Fernando Tatis coming back. So I'm going to say my who's back is soup and salad.
So it happens about every time this year.

Speaker 1 I know you guys kind of feel the same way when we get back from Grit Week. It's usually when we're at our most bloated of the calendar year or definitely right up there.

Speaker 1 Jake's nodding his head because during Grit Week, every time we'd have like a burger for lunch, Jake would be like, oh my God, we're eating like such shit shit today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he really made us feel way fatter than we really did. He said that so many times that he was like, we ate like shit today.
I was like, I ate exactly how I always eat.

Speaker 1 You have to realize I'm someone who, on a routine in the office, I eat a salad for lunch five times a week.

Speaker 1 So anything but that. We have back-to-back barbecues.
That's

Speaker 1 really hurt my feelings. I was like, wait, am I eating like shit? I should have used first person, not us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, when you say I'm eating like shit and we're eating worse things than you're eating. Yeah, right.
And that's a big-time double sportsmanship where it makes us feel worse. Yes.

Speaker 1 But this is the time of the year where we do feel bigger, bloated, filled with sodium and beer usually. So weighed myself.
I'm a little on the chunky side. That's fine.
What are you weighing at?

Speaker 1 No comment. No, come on.
Give us the weight. 191.
Oh, that's not bad. But every time I approach 200, I'm like, okay, if I get over 200 pounds, I'm never going back.
So

Speaker 1 I was about at this age or about this weight last year at this time. So I'm going to get back on the soup and salad train.

Speaker 1 And then it fucking didn't help me i don't know i think i don't know who to point my finger at exactly but if you see the thumbnail from this week's stool scenes have you looked at it big cat no it's me and you i got done dirty on this thumbnail look it look it up right now i want to see your reaction to it okay you look great in it i think they used the slimming tool on you somebody put the fat filter on my face and on my boobs And I just look fat as shit in this.

Speaker 1 But I saw it and it was like looking into a window into the future.

Speaker 1 You got to understand too I don't I don't care like my my pictures I always am like I look like shit yeah no but oh yeah you don't yeah what you're it's more your face just looks distorted they made me fat and but it's you know what it's good for the motivation it's like it's bulletin board material for me I don't want to look like that so I'm back on my diet which I invented which is just eating soup and salad every day during the week and then whatever the fuck you want to do on weekends that's fine that's that's that's your time I thought you were gonna say that they put in all your misses at colorado no no well there weren't any of those right yeah do we have a video coming out from that back girl yeah that'll be in the recap this week nice beautiful so we got a recap coming up and then we got everest also at some point we're not putting a date on that'll be following but everyone check it out because we got some good stuff we have we have more grit week stuff coming up content coming out um okay so yeah that that's that's a fucked up picture they put yeah but you know what in the long run i think that picture is going to be that's going to start a new good diet for us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, okay, there you go. I like that.
Appreciate that. I like that.
All right, my who's back is Jacob DeGrom.

Speaker 1 He's just all the way back, and this is why, like, when we talk to J. Gary Evan, people get upset when he's like, yeah, Jacob DeGrom's the best pitcher.
Like, oh, he can't stay healthy.

Speaker 1 He, on Saturday night, pitched against the Phillies, the red hot Phillies.

Speaker 1 He pitched six innings, 10 strikeouts, 76 pitches. He's still on, I think, a pitch limit.
Yeah. It's fucking insane how good he is.

Speaker 1 And he's fully back because he's also back to getting the exact same amount of run support that Jacob DeGrow.

Speaker 1 One run. One run.

Speaker 1 What was his run support and his other start on Tuesday? I feel like it was like two or three runs. Yeah, but

Speaker 1 he is so fucking filthy. Like, the fact that he pitched six innings, 10 strikeouts,

Speaker 1 he's nasty.

Speaker 1 And when is he going to be memes? When is he going to be like back fully? Like, when do they say they're going to let him actually pitch a full game? I think it's going to be a while.

Speaker 1 Okay, but you don't care. You just got to have him back.
Yeah. Yeah.
They said on the pregame show that his slider wasn't hitting and he still threw 10k strikeouts.

Speaker 1 Fuck. Not bad.
It's crazy. Yeah, the other night he pitched, he pitched five and a two-thirds and had 12 strikeouts.

Speaker 1 He's absolutely insane. Yeah, so right now he's pitched three games.
He has 28 strikeouts in 16 innings. He's fucking filthy.

Speaker 1 Also, my jinxing ability is back because I totally blew up that Ray's pitcher's

Speaker 1 Rasmussen's perfect game. It was, was, even for me, and I do jinx a lot of shit.
I was shocked because I tweeted, like, congrats to the Rays for the perfect game.

Speaker 1 And it was like 45 seconds later that the Orioles broke it up. So, sorry, Rays fans, all five of you.

Speaker 1 Jeff Passan also also jinxed it when he tweeted his thing out because he was like, There's something happening. I hate that shit.

Speaker 1 That I'm not going to talk about because I can't talk about it, but you should watch this game. Dude, there were so many writers saying shit, like, like, tune into this game.
Something's going on.

Speaker 1 Just, Just, you're a fucking writer. Like, just say it.
Say what's happening so people go watch it. Yeah.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 Also, this is, it's a tough look for the Rays because the Rays, I think they've got the most perfect games thrown against them of any team, despite the fact that they've only existed for like 20, whatever years.

Speaker 1 And they never have a perfect game for themselves. That's right.
So it's bad luck. I think they're number one.
I believe that.

Speaker 1 I feel like every time I've seen a perfect game, Dallas Braden, his was against the Rays.

Speaker 1 So they're tied for number one against the with the dodgers oh the dodgers they've been around a little bit longer yeah a little bit longer i'd say the the twins have two the rays and the dodgers have three perfect games thrown against them and the twins have two thrown against them so the last perfect game 10 years ago right is that what it was felix hernandez yeah might must have been yeah

Speaker 1 perfect games rock you remember we were we were having a big discourse this is how dumb sports talk radio is in 2012 we were like is there something wrong with baseball why are there so many perfect games?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, something's changed, and then, boom, 10 years, none.
Yeah. Yeah, no, it's been crazy.
I mean, yeah, because 2021. There were three and 2012.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, so it was a problem. There were two in 2012.
There were too many perfect games. And then Armando Galaraga got absolutely screwed out of his.
Yeah. Yeah.
Jim Joyce. Yeah.
The umpire.

Speaker 1 It's been crazy.

Speaker 1 That would piss me off forever.

Speaker 1 All right, Billy, go ahead. My who's back is Tyson Fury.

Speaker 1 Tyson Fury, who had once said he was retired from boxing, went to Iceland to try to find Hathor Bjornsson, the mountain, to do some sort of exhibition event. Oh.

Speaker 1 Wait, yeah. Are you saying a boxer didn't actually retire? Right.
I know. I know, but he's back.
That's

Speaker 1 so Hathor Bjornsson, you probably know him as the mountain Game of Thrones.

Speaker 1 He's a, you know, a multiple world strongest man winner, like gigantic specimen of a human being who has been getting into boxing recently.

Speaker 1 This is just one of those pure spectacles that I think would be just hilarious to watch because Hathor Bjornsson did win a fight against Eddie Hall, another strongman.

Speaker 1 His boxing is very limited, but it would be a total crazy thing to see him face off against Heist and Fury. These are two gigant, like giants.
Boxers and porn stars never really retire.

Speaker 1 They always say they do.

Speaker 1 They're always ready for one more. It just always, you know what I mean? You don't see it and you're just like, no, no, no.
If you're a porn one, there's one more. You just age into becoming a MILF.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. And it's just like, oh, I'm back for one night only, you know, like double anal, like, oh, okay.
In some ways, the senior tour

Speaker 1 Mayweather is going to fight some random dude in fucking, you know, Vegas in a couple of years. He's back.
Just, they don't retire.

Speaker 1 The senior tour of porn stars is almost more lucrative than the original tour. It's just, I never trust boxers and porn stars.
You tell me you're going to retire.

Speaker 1 I'll be like, all right, I'll see you in a couple years. Well, when a boxer retires, it's almost understandable because they just got done getting punched in the face for like 30 minutes.
Right.

Speaker 1 So most rational people would say, okay, I'm never going to do that again right after it happens. But then boxers are like, you know, you give them a couple months off.

Speaker 1 They're like, I kind of want to kick somebody's ass. Not only that, but someone's like, hey, how about we give you $20 million for one night of work? Okay, that's similar to porn stars.

Speaker 1 How many Zen six of work? How many Zen 6s you got in? Two. Yeah.
Yeah. That's fucking insane.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just cashed my last two.

Speaker 1 We have Breaking Moose. Breaking Moose.
Max, Batgirl.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, that's me. That's me.
I know the voice.

Speaker 1 I say breaking news. PFT does the telegraph.

Speaker 1 Breaking moves.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. Hank.
I miss you, Hank. Hank.

Speaker 1 This show doesn't work without you, Hank.

Speaker 1 Emergency, who's back of the week? Stephen A. Smith is back tomorrow.
Yeah. He just released this tweet.
I haven't heard it yet. It just came out.
Let's see what Stephen A.

Speaker 1 Smith has to say for himself.

Speaker 1 What's up, everybody? It's been a long time. I know I've been gone a little while.
I know that, but

Speaker 1 I'll be back.

Speaker 1 I'll be back Monday morning, 10 a.m. Eastern Standard Time.
There's a whole bunch of stuff to get into.

Speaker 1 I know you're seeing stuff in the NFL, the Cowboys, Lamar Jackson, Drey Lance, and the whole crew.

Speaker 1 But I haven't had an opportunity to comment about KED and his trade demands. Let's go.
And Kyrie,

Speaker 1 along with a host of other things that's been going on in the nba

Speaker 1 strobe light going on by it's been a while the shoulder still still got some work to do

Speaker 1 but i'm ready i miss y'all steve acel y'all miss me too definitely strikes me

Speaker 1 he he definitely strikes me as a dude

Speaker 1 it's been a while i can't wait to get back swear i can't wait

Speaker 1 He definitely strikes me as a dude

Speaker 1 who's got a strippers pole in his in his house. Oh, for sure.
He probably has his own ATM in his house. Yeah.
But he just uses it himself and pays himself money. He's a bottom feeder, self-admitted.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he loves the booty. You know, Stephen A.
You can't keep Stephen A. Smith's mouth off of booty.
But yeah, it's good. The sports world is going to be, you know,

Speaker 1 it's a better place when Stephen A. Smith is on my television screaming at me in my living room.
Yes, agreed. Agreed.

Speaker 1 Okay, Jake, finish us off, and then we'll get to Rich Basaccia. Who's back? Kentucky Athletics.
We've got a situation brewing in Lexington.

Speaker 1 I really wish you guys had Kentucky Sports Radio coming up because you guys would love

Speaker 1 messing with the fans. So

Speaker 1 John Calipari wants a new practice facility. Caliperi.
Yes. He wants a new practice facility.
He says we're a basketball school.

Speaker 1 Coach Stoops bounces back, says we're a football school, and now they're kind of beefing. Okay, so if you want to explain

Speaker 1 the school, yeah. Well,

Speaker 1 so yeah, obviously Stoops was like,

Speaker 1 we compete in the SEC, and Kentucky football has been good the last few years. The thing is, it's like one of those things that what John Cal Piperi said is not incorrect.

Speaker 1 He just shouldn't say it out loud. Right.
They are a basketball school. Right.
Like, you can't change that. Right.
But Kentucky football has been good.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 1 Of course. But, like, this would be saying if Notre Dame basketball won a national championship in March Madness, they wouldn't be a basketball school.
Right.

Speaker 1 But, like, what is Coach Stoops supposed to, he has to defend his.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Cal Prime Mom Perry.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He screwed up by saying it out loud, but what he said wasn't actually incorrect, right? I think Stoops also said, I'm going to stay in my lane on this one, so he's taking the high road on it.

Speaker 1 But Jim Calapari is 100% correct. Like, they are, that's who they are.
I really wish you guys were hosting this week.

Speaker 1 If they're a basketball school, what does that make St. Peter's?

Speaker 1 Like, basketball. Juggernaut.
Yeah, Juggernaut. Basketball Mecca.
But everyone getting upset. It's better than the dream team.
Yeah. I get getting upset upset about it if you're in the

Speaker 1 program, like football program.

Speaker 1 But again, what he said, that would be like Duke.

Speaker 1 Duke is a basketball. You know what basketball and football schools are.
You just,

Speaker 1 I don't, when I saw it, I was like, yeah, they are a basketball school. That's not an offense.
That's no offense to the football program. Kentucky, when you think Kentucky, you think basketball.

Speaker 1 That's just a fact. And then the AD, Mitch Barnhart, blames the media and the world we're living in for the controversy.
And the world. Blaming the world.
I mean, Cal Mary,

Speaker 1 he did kind of step in it. He shouldn't have said it.
You know, you're on the right side of history when you start blaming the entire world. Yeah.
It's not me. It's the media.

Speaker 1 It's literally everyone else. Yes.
It's actually. Yeah.
Yeah. So I thought that was a rare controversy that you never have the

Speaker 1 two head coaches kind of beefing. Yeah.
What a burden that must be to be the only correct person on planet Earth. Yeah.
It's got to suck. Yeah.
It's like everyone else is crazy except me.

Speaker 1 But if both teams win, the fans probably won't care. That's not going to happen, though.
But again, go back to who's going to win a national title. Who's more likely to win a national title?

Speaker 1 Obviously, Basketball.

Speaker 1 It's very clear. I do like what James Calapari is doing, which is

Speaker 1 Jin Calapari. Jin Calapari.
He is completely thrown out the idea of winning being the only thing in college basketball, though. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So much so to the point where he has players that are getting drafted in the first round that just never play at Kentucky. Correct.
So it's just a farm system for professional basketball.

Speaker 1 They just, like,

Speaker 1 when they get away with the one, one and done rule and they make it so high school players can go. Like

Speaker 1 James Cal Peperi is going to figure out a way to have dudes go from high school to NBA, but make sure they're wearing a Kentucky hat on draft night. Yeah.
And be like, he would have.

Speaker 1 He would have come here. Another one for us.
Or just market himself like, hey, come here. You'll get a million dollars in NIL.
Yeah. Stay on campus and we'll just have you practice for a while.

Speaker 1 If you don't like the teams that are going to be probably in the lottery this year and you want to wait out for a different lottery sequence to come up, then yeah, come hang out in Kentucky for a year.

Speaker 1 We'll pay you a million bucks. You don't even have to play.
Yeah, or just commit to us and then go into the draft. Yeah.
You don't even have to show up on campus. Put our hat on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just know that I want to be on top of the commitments every year. Yeah, it's true.
But yeah, Kentucky, they are beefing.

Speaker 1 I guess it's also not a problem to have that it's a good problem to have the fact that football now takes offense to it because that actually shows like if you think of it that way

Speaker 1 10 years ago, no, if he said that, no one would have said a word, right?

Speaker 1 So it's actually good that Kentucky should be proud that there's actually people who are upset by that now because it means that football has been better than average.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say that Kelperry is actually putting himself on the losing side of this argument by having to say, we are a basketball state, Kentucky. Yeah, sure.
That should not ever have to be said.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's like, what's that old, the political thing where

Speaker 1 if you can make your opponent say, I'm not a pig fucker,

Speaker 1 even if they're beating you, you already won because you shouldn't have to. Jim Caldwell had to answer a question of whether he's dead or alive.
Exactly. Makes you think, is he dead or alive?

Speaker 1 Not a question an alive person would ever have to answer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the old David Stern. Remember, David Stern did that to...
Who did he fucking do that to? Did he do it to... Oh, have you...
When did you stop beating your wife? Beating your wife.

Speaker 1 I think he did it to Jim Rome. I think so, yeah.
Yeah, he's like, when did you stop beating your wife? All time fucking pretzeled them. Yep.
he's like, what? No good answer. No good answer.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to our interview. Great interview.
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Speaker 1 This grit week interview is brought to you by Coors Light. We now have a very special guest.
It is special teams coach for the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 1 He also was the interim head coach for the Raiders last year. First guy ever to get coach of the year and assistant coach of the year votes after the 2021 NFL season.
It is coach Rich Visaccia.

Speaker 1 Coach, thank you for joining us. So it's grit week.
First thing we ask on grit week, what does grit mean to you or how would you define the word grit?

Speaker 1 Grit.

Speaker 3 I guess grit to me would be my dad getting up at five in the morning and going to work and driving a truck and coming home at seven at night and getting up the next morning and five and going to work and driving a truck and getting up the next morning and

Speaker 3 feeding his six kids.

Speaker 3 I think grit is doing what you're supposed to do, when you're supposed to do it, the way you're supposed to do it, and do it fucking better than anybody else on the planet.

Speaker 1 That's a great answer. I love that to me.
I'm ready to run through brick wall.

Speaker 1 It's what everyone always says about your players for you.

Speaker 1 Is there a player that has tried to run through a brick brick wall for you?

Speaker 3 I don't, you know.

Speaker 3 The equation is about them trying to improve at everything that they are every day, right? Can they be a better son? Can they be a better husband? Can they be better at their craft

Speaker 3 every day? Just can you improve a little bit at who you are every day? And then, you know, we're trying to do it for each other. It's not just about me or one particular person.

Speaker 3 It's really trying to do it for each other. That's the particular thing about football is we need all of us.
You know, Michael Jordan can go off and score 50 in a game, right?

Speaker 3 We need the guy next to us. We need the guy behind us.
We need the guy in front of us. It's just a different game.

Speaker 1 So it's really about all of us.

Speaker 1 So we were telling you right before we started that when you got the job with Las Vegas last year, when you became the interim head coach, we had our good friend Booger McFarland on and we asked him about you.

Speaker 1 And he said that you're the number one foxhole guy, number one guy that you want to be in a foxhole with.

Speaker 1 And it seems like everyone has that same opinion of you where players want to play for you what is that about you or your personality that has guys all the quotes are i love coach he's always you know been straight with me honest with me like i'd run through a brick wall like pft said what is it that makes guys like drawn to you

Speaker 3 i you know for the test of time i always have issues with or talking about you know my personality or who i am or i don't know if i can actually explain that to be honest with you.

Speaker 3 I think a lot of players I've been fortunate to be around and people I've been around they do a better job explaining me than I do.

Speaker 3 The McFarlane thing, you know, he's been in a lot of my meetings and in Tampa and the foxhole thing from Anthony is, you know, like I do this thing about the foxhole, you know, is like, fuck the foxhole, make them dig.

Speaker 3 You know, we ain't digging. And I'm not a digger.
I don't want any of our guys to dig. We're just, we're going to go.

Speaker 3 And that's where that foxhole thing, he always, you know, he leaves me that a lot of times when my message is, you know, fuck the foxhole.

Speaker 3 And that's kind of our mentality is fuck the foxhole, make them dig. We're running.

Speaker 1 That's a quote.

Speaker 1 tattooed.

Speaker 1 And it's genius because what he's saying when he said, like, you're the number one foxhole guy, what he means by that is he wants to be in a foxhole with you because you're not going to be in a foxhole.

Speaker 1 You're going to be putting the other guy next level thinking.

Speaker 3 Well, just, again, it's a, you know, it's all right. It's a mindset.
It's a mentality. We run into circumstances all the time.
How are we going to deal with the circumstance?

Speaker 3 And if we run into that circumstance,

Speaker 3 I guess I'd rather just, I'm going. Yeah.
And hopefully we can get enough guys to go in the same direction.

Speaker 1 The thing I've heard about you from your players is just that you care deeply about each and every one of them.

Speaker 1 That you, you know, you think of them first, you're an authentic guy, they respect that, because players can tell if they're dealing with like a bullshit artist, but you actually care about them and you want them to succeed.

Speaker 1 Is there one player in particular,

Speaker 1 let's just say besides Will Compton, besides Will Compton, who's the best player you ever coached?

Speaker 3 Wow, that's, you know,

Speaker 3 I've been fortunate to be around.

Speaker 3 I've been asked that.

Speaker 3 I struggle with that.

Speaker 3 I think if you go way back for me, you know, I was fortunate in my college career to be around some guys that became, you know, Sterling Sharp and Harold Green and Deuce McAllister and Robert Brooks way back when, you know, when I started in college and,

Speaker 3 you know, in pro football to be around early, you know, Ronnie Barber and Mike Allstott and Derek Brooks. And, you know, when I saw Warren Sapp practice, you know, I about shit myself.
I mean,

Speaker 3 I never seen anybody run like that, that size and practice like that, and how smart he was, and the way in which he cared about his teammates and the way in which he cared about the plays, and then being with John Lynch, and you got Brad Johnson, and then I ended up with the work done, and Cadillac Williams goes on and on and on.

Speaker 3 You know, when you talk about

Speaker 3 a long career, the list of the players that I've learned from or had an opportunity to be around, I mean, we could take the whole show, I guess.

Speaker 3 And, you know, I know I forgot a lot of guys, but early in my career, when I first got into the NFL, to be around those guys on that defense, you know, not to mention Simeon Rice was on that defense.

Speaker 3 And, you know,

Speaker 3 I just, I can't explain the things I've learned from those guys. And, you know, Derek Brooks and I are still extremely close and have conversation.

Speaker 3 And when you win a Super Bowl, and I've tried to tell our guys

Speaker 3 all the places I've gone, when you win a Super Bowl with a group of men, your Rolodex is incredible. You know, the phone gets picked up like that.

Speaker 3 And there's there's some sort of a bond when you win that one game in this league that's never ending. You know, and I've been fortunate to be a part of those men doing that.

Speaker 1 So we're here in Green Bay. It's training camp.
We, you know, we love talking to football coaches.

Speaker 1 One of our good friends, Doug Marone, he said that sometimes at practice, he likes to close his eyes and just listen to the hitting of the pads and the helmets.

Speaker 1 What, when you, like first day of training camp, do you have an extra pep in your step? Is there something about football that like just gives you extra life?

Speaker 1 That's something that's a little thing that maybe us fans don't realize?

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, Doug Rohn's an old lineman, so those guys, you know, they hit all the time. He's from Lehman High School and the Bronx, and I've known Doug a long time.

Speaker 3 But I just feel fortunate every day that I get to wake up and do this. You know, it's been a way of life.

Speaker 3 So I have a certain zeal for the mornings because you get to... come in here and see the players and see their dreams come to fruition and and watch them.

Speaker 3 I think the only people that get excited about first day of of pads are coaches you know players like gosh i gotta put on my pads today you know especially if you guys have been around for a little bit but again to and coaches always talk about this right the opportunity to be on the grass is what we all we all strive to do right we all want to be on the grass we know the meetings are a big deal we know all those are but you know Being on the grass is that that's coaching, right?

Speaker 3 And that's playing. Players make plays, not coaches.

Speaker 3 So the meetings are to put something in, but to actually go on the grass and walk through it and then to see it happen and see it happen live and see it happen fast and see it happen physical, fuck, that's why you get up and go to work, you know?

Speaker 1 So that's for me. Yeah, so you're from New York.
Did you grow up a baseball fan?

Speaker 3 Huge baseball fan. There was only one fucking team though, and that's the Yankees.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. I respect that.
I think a lot of people feel the same way.

Speaker 1 But as you're growing up, when did you realize that it was football that was your passion?

Speaker 3 Yeah, good question.

Speaker 3 You know, I played basically all the three sports, you know, most through all high school. And

Speaker 3 I just kind of got bored with baseball a little bit. It just got to be the point where I liked this.
I liked

Speaker 3 the physicalness of it. I liked

Speaker 3 the tactical part of it, you know, learning other positions. And, you know, I'm old now, so I never came out the field.
I was fortunate in high school. You played offense and defense and kickoff.

Speaker 3 We did all those things. So I think that just

Speaker 3 the zeal for football came from the physicality of it to some degree and

Speaker 3 the chess part of it, you know, knowing all the positions and, you know, how it works together. I think that was always,

Speaker 3 for me, it was something I just, I thrived on the, to some degree, the physical part of it, but the technical part of it was fun.

Speaker 3 I mean, we all love the other sports, but.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so special teams. We always, you know, it's a third of the game.
Everyone reminds everyone of that when you're watching. The Packers had struggled big time last year with special teams.

Speaker 1 You come in.

Speaker 1 How do you fix it? Like,

Speaker 1 what is the rich Versacea key to special teams that you tell guys day one, like, this is how we're going to do it? Players. That's it? Players.

Speaker 3 I mean, players have to believe in what you're teaching them.

Speaker 3 You have to be

Speaker 3 astute enough in what you're teaching them to gain their trust. for them to know that, okay, this has worked over test of time.
If we do it this way, we can have some success.

Speaker 3 And then you just, you know,

Speaker 3 put them in position to do what they do well and and let them play you know special teams is some degree gets bad rap you know it's really the ultimate football play you know you talk take the punt play to me it's the most transitional play in all of football you have the ball so you have to protect the punter and then next thing you know you transition into a defensive player there's gap responsibilities there's lane responsibilities there's the integrity of the cover in the whole field so it's a transitional play that usually your offense can't get 40 to 45 yards on a play so they hopefully we can go out there and we can make up for them not getting enough yards and three downs.

Speaker 3 You get one down, you know, to set the defense. And that's kind of the mentality you try to take.

Speaker 3 But it also gives guys, affords guys, the ability to play for a while in the National Football League if they can adapt the team first attitude that it takes to play special teams.

Speaker 3 I think Keith Burns, I had him in Tampa. He was in Denver.
He played 15 years. I don't think he ever started a game.

Speaker 3 Wow. He played all special teams.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, everyone always talks, I think, did he just retire Matthew Slater? I think he's still playing.

Speaker 1 No, he's still playing, but like he's, yeah, he's a perfect case of a guy who's made his entire career off special teams.

Speaker 1 And you can tell that like a guy like Belichick looks at him as like he's very important to this team.

Speaker 3 Well, Coach Belichick started out as a special teams coach. Yeah.
You know, so I mean, that's you put importance on it and you put a priority to it. And players can see that you do that.

Speaker 3 They're wanting to get a chance to get on the roster and they find a way to do it.

Speaker 1 So what's the what's the biggest change in special teams since you've been in the league? Because it's come a long way.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I've been a lot of changes. I think the biggest one is what goes on on kickoff return now.
You know, no more three-man wedges, no more basically back-end, two-man wedges.

Speaker 3 There's eight guys in the setup zone. There's no more crack back blind blocks like that.
There's no start off for the kickoff team. We used to line guy, Tori Cox.
I had him in Tampa.

Speaker 3 He had sucked a lineup on a 15-yard line, you know, to take off. And they moved the ball up because they want more touchbacks, things like that.
So there's constant rule changes.

Speaker 3 A lot of them are made towards safety to some degree in the kicking game.

Speaker 3 But you just have to adapt and know that everybody's doing the same thing.

Speaker 1 What about strategy-wise?

Speaker 3 Well, I think it's

Speaker 3 when I came in the league in 2002,

Speaker 3 there used to be back in the day, like when I was in college for 19 years, you coach a position and you work special teams. Some teams broke it up.

Speaker 3 This coach had kickoff return, this coach had punt return, and other coaches all helped. I think it started to get into vogue in the National Football League.

Speaker 3 You know, the coach Westoffs, the Brad Seeley's, those guys early in their career coached a position and did special teams.

Speaker 3 Well, once they started naming a guy just the special teams coordinator, and now he started to put in new schemes because he has a lot of time, he has longer meetings, well, it just became more of an interest, and now you had to play against that guy, so they were all donating time and just one coach to the special team.

Speaker 3 So the strategic part of it has grown immensely over time. We're all looking for the weak link on the punt rush team.
You know, who can you beat?

Speaker 3 What scheme are you going to scheme up this week to beat a certain guy?

Speaker 3 They've eliminated the the pull-and-shoot where you used to pull a guy out and shoot a guy behind it because guys got pretty smart in doing those things. There's been guys on field goal rush.

Speaker 3 They used to grab a guy and they'd send the guy out and stand in front of the officials because you can't see the guy grabbing a guy for the shoot. So I think you have to

Speaker 3 look at what's going on in the past to understand that now there's so much schematics going into the special teams because of what happened earlier.

Speaker 1 Were you the coach on the Bucs in that game against the Colts where the, I think it was Monday Night Football? Yeah, sure was. That was bullshit, right? The end of that game?

Speaker 3 It's, you know, it's a long time ago, but, you know, we had our chances in that game, and obviously, you know, it came from behind.

Speaker 3 We actually gave up a big kickoff return to kind of start their roll. I didn't really score.
I'm not be scoring on the next play. And really, I thought we just

Speaker 3 had a big lead, and we just scored again. We get a kickoff return.
Next thing you know, you get a big play, and it kind of starts the role.

Speaker 3 I think there was four on-site kicks in that game, and one was over there at Lynch's side, I know, and one was the middle dribble, and we got one.

Speaker 3 And then it became the field goal debacle, and what's his name hadn't missed all year?

Speaker 3 Yeah, and they called like he missed, and they called leaping on Simeon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I went back and I watched that when we had Booger on because I want to bust his balls about it. And I was looking at those calls.
I still don't know what they called in that play.

Speaker 1 I don't understand it. Well, they call it Leaping.

Speaker 3 I just don't know if they saw that, but that's what they call it.

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Speaker 1 just like football it's about grit grind and getting it done head to chevy.com to learn more and build your own chevy silverado uh so i mentioned at the top uh the raiders last year first coach ever to get assistant coach of the year and head coach of the year votes uh it was an incredible year just because of you know everything that happened with the raiders and you come in have you had a moment to like look back and be like That was that was like I'm proud of what we did because I think any other team has that much adversity with Gruden going away and then, you know, the Henry Ruggs situation, like you, you kept that team together.

Speaker 1 It was incredible that you guys got to the playoffs and got to that point and, you know, probably should have, outside of a bad call against the Bengals, could have maybe been playing in the second round.

Speaker 1 Like, have you had that moment? Like,

Speaker 1 that was something special because it was, from our point of view.

Speaker 3 I think we definitely think it was something special. Certainly

Speaker 3 when it's all said and done at the end of the year, and you lose that last game, and you're in locker room with those guys that went through all that, I'd like to thank the coaching staff that we had

Speaker 3 pulled everybody in the same direction. And the players just decided to become a team as we got going.
And I think we tried to improve a little bit every day.

Speaker 3 I thought we were improving in games as the season went on.

Speaker 3 But I think the credit really gets to be spread amongst the coaching staff, amongst the personnel people that were there and Mayoc, who I've known for a long time.

Speaker 3 And then certainly the way players adapted to everything that happened. You know, a lot of times in adversity, you know, it breeds strength.

Speaker 3 And because in a national football league, no one really gives a shit, to be real honest with you. You know, you got to get up and you got to go play.
You know, no one cares type deal.

Speaker 3 And I think we got to the point where we had to kind of rally together for the things that went on that weren't in our control, but what is in our control and how are we going to respond to the things that happen?

Speaker 3 That's life, right? There's circumstances that come up. How are you going to respond to the circumstance? And I think that's what everybody on that particular staff and team adapted to.

Speaker 3 Here's the circumstance. Here's how we're going to respond.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now, that last game

Speaker 1 before the playoff game, was there any part of you that was like, let's play for a tie? No. That was one of the craziest

Speaker 1 events, basically, in the NFL, the fact that we had two teams that if they tie, they both get in and then have it be tied late. You know, there was never a point where you're like, well, we just

Speaker 3 had the ball and we had the clock in our favor. So our thought was we were just going to keep running the ball.
And I thought we could kick a 58-yard field goal with Daniel, obviously.

Speaker 3 So, but we get in position where we end up with a big run. The timeout's really irrelevant.

Speaker 3 I don't know why everybody makes such a big deal over it, but we just ended up with a big run, you know, with Josh and just put us in better position to kick it.

Speaker 3 But we were going to be in position to kick at least a 58-yarder, we thought.

Speaker 1 Now, did you feel at any point that the Chargers were like, maybe they'll just tie? Because it was crazy. I mean, I'm just thinking back of it now.

Speaker 1 Like, it did feel like the Chargers thought, oh, let's just run this out. Like, we'll be fine.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think we can only coach one team at a time.

Speaker 1 That's a a good answer. That's good fun.

Speaker 1 How long did it take to write all those handwritten notes? Because, for people who don't know, you wrote a handwritten note to every single player.

Speaker 1 I don't actually like, I'm not going to commend you because, like, you just did schoolwork, but

Speaker 1 how much time did it actually take? Because that part, I would be like, no, I'm just going to type this out.

Speaker 3 That was actually, you know, my daughter put that on Facebook or Facebook, whatever those things are.

Speaker 3 But I, you know, and I wasn't really happy with her at first. I certainly appreciate her thought process and what she was now that it's gone through.

Speaker 3 But coming from a longtime college coach, you know, we just, I wrote notes all the time, you know, handwritten notes. That was a big deal in recruiting at that time.

Speaker 3 And a lot of times I'd left, you know, you can ask Deuce McAllister and those guys, I'd left notes in their lockers and all those things.

Speaker 3 So that was just kind of we're, you know, we were in a playoff game and it was an exciting time for everybody. And I was just going to leave stuff in their locker and I was just finishing up some.

Speaker 3 That was actually the morning of the game. I only had a few left to finish up.
I had been working on them throughout the week.

Speaker 3 So there there's only a few to finish up, and that's when the picture was taken.

Speaker 1 Did Compton get one? Because I don't think he was a non-you got to write him a note.

Speaker 3 I got to bring that up.

Speaker 1 Come on, you got to write him a note. You owe him a note.
Do you want to give him a verbal note?

Speaker 1 Give him a verbal note.

Speaker 1 I text him all the time.

Speaker 1 I text him all the time. So it's

Speaker 1 exactly what that means. It was a cool moment, though.
I mean, I just, like I said,

Speaker 1 we're drawn to football guys who it's clear their players will do anything for them. And it's clear that you have that with with your players.

Speaker 3 Well just some things are supposed to be private to some degree and and you know that probably should have been one of them.

Speaker 3 Again my daughter I love her to death you know she's a school teacher and and I get her being excited for her dad but just some things should be private in our world because we don't really live in the real world.

Speaker 3 I know people on the outside like to think that we do but we we really don't and it just

Speaker 3 You know, we have this thing about a brotherhood of men and families.

Speaker 3 And, you know, we try to create a family community community within our team but the reality of it is in a family the weak set the pace right you go to the zoo you got your little kids they spend most of the time on top of your shoulders you know it's thanksgiving you're with your grandmother you're going to make sure your grandmother gets to her seat and you're going to take care of everyone in your family well in this the strong set the pace the weaker cut out

Speaker 3 Will Compton. This is a brotherhood of men.

Speaker 3 Will Compton is a good player now.

Speaker 1 He's a great player. Why'd you cut him?

Speaker 1 Why'd you cut him?

Speaker 3 We just had a numbers issue. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 1 The math didn't work out for him.

Speaker 3 Be careful being a wise ass with a wise ass. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But anyway, go ahead. I love it.

Speaker 1 I read that you worked with Charlie Weiss right off the bat.

Speaker 3 He was one of your... Not right off the bat, but out of Wayne.
Charlie is the one that hired me as a GA at South Carolina back in 88. We worked offense, defense camp in 87.

Speaker 3 He was in charge of hiring the GAs at South Carolina. And so he hired me after the 87 season.
I was at Wayne State in Nebraska. He hired me as a GA at South Carolina.

Speaker 1 Yeah, did he have a parrot back then?

Speaker 3 Not to the best of my knowledge.

Speaker 1 Okay, he ended up getting a parrot after that. And then every time somebody would go over to his house, the parrot would just attack him.
Yeah. We've been on the parrot case.

Speaker 1 We've had him on a couple times. We've been searching for that bird.
Kind of obsessed with the parrot.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I went to his house in New England once. I didn't see any parrot.

Speaker 1 Really? You were lucky. You're one of the lucky ones.
That's why you're sitting here today.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Charlie's good to me now. Charlie helped me get my start.
He's a brilliant guy. He's a hell of a football coach.
He's really a little bit...

Speaker 3 Charlie would give his shirt off his back now. He cares deeply about people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a good guy.

Speaker 1 I was noticing that through your career, you know, you've gone a lot of places. You've traveled around.

Speaker 1 One thing that's important to a lot of coaches that we talk about is the culture that they establish there. And so in the NFL, especially, it's so transient.
There are people coming in and out.

Speaker 1 Teams are never the same year after year.

Speaker 1 And you're working with a different group of guys. If you move around, like I know you went to San Diego, you've been all around.

Speaker 1 Is there something that like, do you evolve what the culture of your football team is going to be based on the players that you have and their personality or is it more like okay here's what we need to develop I know that this works if we all believe in X Y and Z and that's how you teach it where you go well I think I'm trying to figure out that the head coach's culture and what's important to him and the direction he's taking his team and within that we're going to build our unit culture and special teams, you know, in congruent with what his vision is.

Speaker 1 So based off that, Matt LaFleur, his culture is just looking like a pretty boy. So how have you adapted that?

Speaker 3 There's another wise-ass fucking comment.

Speaker 3 You know, I think Matt LaFleur's, I never met Matt LaFleur until I talked to him on the phone, and I thought I had gotten to a point where I really didn't want to work for a head coach, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 But my conversations with him on the phone, and my conversations with Joe Berry about him, and then I talked to Todd Torcelli, who's the trainer at Tennessee, who's a good friend of mine.

Speaker 3 I was with Matt there, and I got an unbelievable amount of respect for his respect for players, his zeal for football, and his drive to win. And I enjoy coming to work with him every day.

Speaker 3 He's been phenomenal to me. He's incredible with his coaching staff and with their families and the way in which he addresses the team and the way in which he practices.

Speaker 3 I mean, you look at that team out there in practice, the whole offense is 10 to 15 yards behind the offense that's on the field.

Speaker 3 Every team I've been on, you're screaming and yelling at him all the time. I think the discipline of his players show up in games over and over.
over and over again.

Speaker 3 I don't think he gets enough credit for doing what he's done.

Speaker 3 I'm excited for the journey with him.

Speaker 1 What's that? He's a good-looking guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I guess I don't look at him like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I do. He's a good-looking guy.
I guess, yeah, yeah. He's a friend of ours.
We've had him on a couple times. He's a good-looking guy.
I don't like him.

Speaker 1 He loves field goals, so that's good for you, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did he actually bring

Speaker 1 you in because Aaron Rodgers is getting a little older, so you're going to have to punt more?

Speaker 1 We always have to pepper a couple of these in. Okay, here's a real question.
Here's a real question.

Speaker 1 You coached, you mentioned two of the guys that you coached back in Tampa, John Lynch, Mike Allstott, two heavy hitters. I heard a rumor that they were not allowed to hit each other in practice.

Speaker 1 Is that true?

Speaker 3 That'd be false.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Oh, that was sprinkled in there by somebody trying to...
Like, did you coach when Lorenzo Neal was also there?

Speaker 3 Yep. Lolo, no.
Lolo was in San Diego and I was in Tampa.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah. But in the collisions that would occur in that practice, that's one thing that we love about Mike Allstott, like an all-time great guy, probably, never afraid to put his face down.

Speaker 1 Top of the list.

Speaker 1 Would those noises sound different? You know, you always hear about like certain batters in baseball. Ball sounds different off their bat.

Speaker 3 You know, I think those collisions, you hear more,

Speaker 3 you don't really hear like a hammer hitting a nail kind of deal. You know, I think you feel they're like fucking horses finishing at the end of the quarter mile, you know.

Speaker 3 But those are, I don't know, those praxes back then, I mean, we're two a days in Orlando in the heat and a walkthrough at the end of the day.

Speaker 3 You know, these practices we have now, you could coach these from a barstool sometimes.

Speaker 3 So those guys

Speaker 3 kind of, men were still men.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it is crazy to think about how the NFL, like, just even seeing the bumblebee thing on top of everyone's helmet, the fact that guys, you know, the first seven days or whatever aren't hitting, and then you think about like 20 years ago, two days and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 And just yeah, I think those things are good. You like to think we've learned, right? We've improved.
We've gotten better in the grain of safety.

Speaker 3 And so if it can extend guys' careers, we can keep guys playing a little bit longer and playing at a high level,

Speaker 3 because the way they take care of their bodies today, it's a year-round job, right? It's non-stop the way they get ready to play.

Speaker 3 So I think if we can extend careers and have guys play a little bit longer, I think anything we can do in the vein of safety is a good thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've got one suggestion. I'm a little intimidated to tell it to you because you've obviously been around and you've seen a lot more football.

Speaker 1 But we had Coach Harbaugh from the Ravens on a couple years ago sprinkled this in his ear. He's an old special teams guy, too.
So he kind of understood what I was getting at.

Speaker 1 But for the onside kick, I've been trying to tell people that a more effective way to do it could be to do a drop kick.

Speaker 1 So in rugby, which is what I grew up playing, you can get way more air under the ball, obviously, if it hits the ground first, kick it right up in the air.

Speaker 1 And the guys that are going to be catching it are going to be the guys that are right up close to the ball. They don't have a lot of experience catching balls like that.

Speaker 1 Is that something that you've ever considered?

Speaker 3 Well, actually, again, if you're going to allow them to do that, you just should allow them to fair catch it like they do in college. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then you put those guys up there that can do that, and hopefully you get a chance to get a fair catch.

Speaker 1 If you're the one kicking off, they might not know that it's coming. That's what I'm saying.
I'm trying to say, like.

Speaker 3 On a surprise?

Speaker 1 On a surprise, and then your guys are able to get downfield. You know, you only got to go 10 yards.
The ball's in the air for.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, I think Coach Harp always agrees that we always teach the front line of kickoff return to always assume he's kicking you the ball. And then when he does, you won't be surprised.

Speaker 1 That's good. I mean, I've always thought you just kick it as hard as you can at

Speaker 1 someone's face.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, that's what everybody's kicking his shit for a loser.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
I have one last question. We really appreciate this, Coach.
It's been awesome.

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Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the last question is actually from the definition of grit. This is a stupid question, but what time would your dad go to bed at night?

Speaker 1 He would wake up at five, work till seven, and what time would he go to bed?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I know, he's probably like nine o'clock, something like that, 10 o'clock.

Speaker 1 And you just watch that every day, and you're like, this is grit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I said it at his eulogy. I just feel like

Speaker 3 he was the power of example,

Speaker 3 not the example of power, you know, and I think that that was for me

Speaker 3 to some degree. You know, I got, I've been married 38 years, and my wife is a trauma ICU nurse for 25 years, and so she's the power of example, not the example of power.

Speaker 3 And I think throughout my life, I've tried to

Speaker 3 look towards those people that are the power of example and try to live your life a certain way. And I think that's what we're trying to do, you know, for our players as well.

Speaker 1 Us? Do you think we're the power of example?

Speaker 3 This is the first time I ever, I've never even heard of this shit, though Waller's asking about it.

Speaker 1 I'd say we're the only one who's lucky to get to make a living and all that stuff. Yeah, we make a good living off of being assholes.
That's exciting. Yeah, so that's the power of example.

Speaker 1 It's the way of the world right now. It's the way of the world.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Coach. Is there actually, follow up to that, is there anybody in the NFL right now, any coach that you think leads by that power of example?

Speaker 1 You know, I'm working for one now.

Speaker 3 Again, I'm enjoying every day learning, you know, from Matt and what he's doing. And we've got a great young staff and a lot of young kids.

Speaker 3 And so my wife and I are enjoying the things that we've done as a family.

Speaker 3 But I think the way that Matt is detailed in the practice schedule that we're, this is a whole different practice schedule than I've ever been involved in. So

Speaker 3 the details that he puts in the practice schedule, the details in which he communicates to the players about what the week is going to be like, what the day is going to be like, I'm really enjoying learning from him every day.

Speaker 3 It's been a great experience for me so far.

Speaker 1 Also, we love the glasses. I don't know, this is another thing that like us sitting on our couch when you'd break them apart and then put them back together on the sideline.

Speaker 1 These are the details that we always watch. Until we really know our shit.

Speaker 1 We know ball. We know ball.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you so much, Coach.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's do our Mount Rushmore. Uh, we also have an extra bonus.
We are watching the playoff of the playoff, the FedEx Cup Championship playoff

Speaker 1 playoff. Willie Z is trying to get his first ever

Speaker 1 PGA tour win. I bet on him because I've just been pot committed with him.

Speaker 1 He's like the human form of the 50-50 raffle for me at this point. So you will also get some reactions throughout the Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 And Hank is on vacation, and Billy is late. So we might have a Billy show up at any point.

Speaker 1 I think I've lost maybe two consecutive bets on Willie Z in playoffs. Dude,

Speaker 1 he's finished second like five times. It's been infuriating.
That first one, I had both him and Justin Thomas, and I cashed out on Justin Thomas. I was like, you know what?

Speaker 1 Let's just ride with Willie Z. I feel like this one's different, though.
I think he's built different. I'm knocking on wood.
I'm knocking on wood.

Speaker 1 I'm also looking forward to Billy coming in because we're taking bets on what his excuse is going to be. I thought maybe it would be a phone excuse.
Like, my phone didn't receive the text.

Speaker 1 I'd like to change that. I think he's going to go traffic on this one.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I would like to hope that maybe he's shown some growth because in Colorado, I had a heart-to-heart with him that was basically like, hey, dude, sometimes just take an easy L.

Speaker 1 Like when you're late, just be like, hey, my bad. I fucked up.

Speaker 1 Knowing Billy, he's probably not going to do that, but I'm holding out like hope that I'm basically the guy who, you know, like I'm in the relationship and just hoping the husband or wife just changes, even though they've shown over year over year, they're never going to change.

Speaker 1 I'm hoping this time will be different. This time it'll walk in and be like, my bad guys.
It'll never happen again. It will never happen again, right? So he was supposed to be here at six.
It's 6:40.

Speaker 1 But let's do the Mountain Rushmore. So Hank's on vacation.

Speaker 1 That means Batgirl and memes are running the show. And that also means Batgirl and Memes, I think you guys won the candy draft.
So you get to pick the order.

Speaker 1 I want it on record. I'm 2-0 after contributing to Mountain Rushmores.
I've yet to lose in this

Speaker 1 on this show. So, okay.
Hang the banner. Wow.

Speaker 1 That's one thing to note. Memes, what do you think about that? Kind of just he's taking all the shine away from the team.
Actually, you know what, though?

Speaker 1 Before you even answer, that's Hank's fault because

Speaker 1 Hank makes it an individual award, not a team. The way that it used to go would be: Hank would list his three, and there would be one really good one, and that would always be memes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, be like, yeah, that was memes. So, what do you think, memes? He was in the group chat.
Oh, you're not on. You're not on.

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 1 Nope. Nope.

Speaker 1 Turn the knob, switch the thing. All right, Willie Z and Sep Strach are walking up to the third playoff hole right now.
Willie Z's got an all-time forehead tan going on right now. Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1 It is crazy. I love him so much, and he just doesn't win.
He just finishes.

Speaker 1 I was listening on the way in, and they said that he's made $6.7 million this year. Yeah.
That's the most money that anyone's ever made without winning a tournament. Always the bridesmaid.
Yeah. So

Speaker 1 it's tough. All right, so Mime's going to figure this out.

Speaker 1 Maybe he won't. That's fine.

Speaker 1 All right, so we're doing the Mount Rushmore of bad ideas.

Speaker 1 I can't hear you either, Jake. Uh-oh.
Oh, no.

Speaker 1 I feel like Hank is sabotaging. He definitely has sabotaged.
Like, you guys know.

Speaker 1 He's like, wait,

Speaker 1 wait, Batgirl is crushing it. But then it would actually be bad for him because he'd be like, you can't go on vacation anymore.
And he loves vacation. Well, he just wants to be wanted.

Speaker 1 He wants to know that the show cannot happen without him. That's true.
And it seemingly right now feels like that's the fact.

Speaker 1 The worst thing that you can say to Hank is actually, like, if you tweet at him and say, there it is, hey, Hank, please don't take another vacation. We need you on the show.
We need you on the show.

Speaker 1 It's so much better with you on the show. Yeah.
He'll be like, God damn it. It's also, it's, MT and I have to filibuster.
What are we even doing?

Speaker 1 Willie just hung his head. Oh.
Water. Fuck.
Oh! Oh, it's saved by the rules. Oh, my God.
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 What does that mean? I don't know what golf rules are. I don't know either.
I think he's dead. I think he's dead again.
You can take a club from there, right? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 You get relief from this government. You're our rules guy.

Speaker 1 This fucking tournament makes no sense.

Speaker 1 It bounced on the wall nine times and then settled in. This isn't.
Oh, there you are, memes, I think. All right, memes is here.
Memes, what do you want to say? We just saw Willie put it.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, that was a buzz. There's a buzz.
There's a buzz on memes, Max. There's a buzz on you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a bad buzz. This is great.
We're keeping this all in.

Speaker 1 This is what the people want.

Speaker 1 You go water.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, wait, water, water.

Speaker 1 Yes, God.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 They're both trying to fuck themselves out of this. Does nobody want to win this tournament? What is happening? I think it's because, like, the more money they win, the less money goes to the kids.

Speaker 1 This is insanity.

Speaker 1 This is going to be great, too, because when we start the show, we're going to tell everyone just tune in to Mount Rushmore to see our instant reaction because this is all happening live for us right now.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 So how do you go in the water after he goes? I'm not if I was if I was Sepp, I would simply hit it on the green. Yeah, I shot a 72 at Shinnocock.

Speaker 1 I would just be like, let's play at Slay Sphere and let's just go on the green. I broke 140.
Yeah, so boom. All right.

Speaker 1 This is still buzz with my butter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's still a buzz. Memes, I think, maybe just turn your microphone off.

Speaker 1 Oh, the buzz is still a bit. It might be Jake's mic now.
Is this going to be gone? Oh, it's gone.

Speaker 1 It's gone. It's gone.
It's gone.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Let's reset. Memes try.

Speaker 1 Now memes is all. Okay, we're just going to have to go silent memes.
Silent memes.

Speaker 1 Okay, what's the order? This has been chaos already. What is the order?

Speaker 1 I can't believe that shot.

Speaker 1 For people who didn't watch the golf, it literally bounced five times and laid right on the rock. I think it was like nine bounces on the rock.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then Sepp went in the water that fucking fat fuck.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
All right. Here we go.
Here we go. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 What's the order? The order is.

Speaker 1 Mount Rushmore, bad ideas. Bad idea, not hitting it on the green when the other guy hits it on a rock.

Speaker 1 That's just a little test of what it is. That's a bad lie he's got, though.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The thing's buried on the rock. You should take over Nick Faldo's job.
Yeah, but he could just be his caddy. Take the penalty and drop there, too, if he's not confident.
He might do that, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. Maybe he goes to the water again, Sepp.
You fucking bitch. Oh,

Speaker 1 all right, now you got to take the penalty. Yeah, all right, all right, let's go, let's get back on track.
This is like

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 end of that Raiders-Chargers game when nobody wanted to win.

Speaker 1 All right, here we go. Bat girl, who's up? Uh, Jake's gonna go first, you guys are gonna go second, we're gonna go third.

Speaker 1 Okay, this Mount Rushmore has it all because it's not only gonna be a great Mount Rushmore, but we have the PGA playoff, and Billy still has to show up at some point. Um, okay, here we go, Jake.

Speaker 1 All right, 1-1, bad idea. Drinking and driving.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, it's a bad idea.
I didn't know we were. Yeah, that's...
Yeah, you can't really argue with that. No, I wanted to.
It's a very bad idea.

Speaker 1 For a second, I was like, wait, but then if I argue, then I'm arguing pro-drunk driving. Yeah, yeah.
It's a very bad idea. Yeah, though, that is a very bad idea.
Murder is also a bad idea.

Speaker 1 We don't have that on our list. But I think I'm going to go.
Although, murder, yeah. Yeah, no, murder's a bad idea.
So are we second? We're second.

Speaker 1 Okay, I think we go with the first one I just texted you. Yes.
That's a pretty bad one. Yes.
Okay, having a kid to save your marriage. Very bad idea.
Things are on the rocks.

Speaker 1 Let's just squirt another human being into the world. I'm sure we'll grow to love each other as we go through one of the most stressful things that a couple can do together.

Speaker 1 Yes, maybe, maybe having a kid will fix all of our problems. That's a very bad idea.
I think it's like, you know how they say that money never really changes somebody.

Speaker 1 It just makes somebody more of who they already were. Yeah.
A kid is probably along those same lines where it's like

Speaker 1 you find the true colors when you have a kid that you're in trouble. As a father or two, I could say kids definitely add stress, so don't do that.
If you're on the rocks, that's a bad idea.

Speaker 1 Speaking of on the rocks, Willie Z is trying to hit off a brick right now. Oh, my God.
All right, Max, Batgirl. Shit, I shouldn't have used your government name.

Speaker 1 Fuck, that was weird.

Speaker 1 So the first one we're going to do is the Wuhan Lab in China. Okay.
That was a bad idea. That was a really bad idea.
Shout out. I mean, memes dominated this one.

Speaker 1 This is just all a meme of everything of bad ideas. So his brain worked perfectly for this.
I considered putting eating a bat on there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I think the Wuhan lab, I think history is leaning more in that direction. Yes.
That's a very bad idea. Bad idea.
Still a bad idea to eat a bat, though. Yeah.
For the record. And

Speaker 1 this is a direct line from Hank for how we're going to phrase this one. Trying to go to space with a frozen O-ring.
So the challenger.

Speaker 1 That's a really bad idea.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Challenger.

Speaker 1 Shout out too soon. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what else to say about that.
You guys are going really bad ideas. Okay, we got to go with a really bad idea, PFT.
We went with more theoretical.

Speaker 1 Maybe we go with the season one that we both talked about. Yeah.
Oh, and here he is. Here he is.
Billy Football. Welcome, Billy.
Welcome to part of my take. Let's see what his excuse is.

Speaker 1 Let's see his comments. Fresh.
I have no excuses.

Speaker 1 Whoa!

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 This, what a moment. That was big, Billy.
Billy, I said we were talking about what you were going to say for your excuse, and I was like, I'm hoping he just takes an L.

Speaker 1 I feel so shitty. Okay, dude, that's big.

Speaker 1 I know. Do you want me to make it funny for the listeners, but I'm actually sorry?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I kind of do. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 I came 15 minutes early to the time I had my head. Okay.
Okay, so it's the same problem we had on the bus where you were like, you just didn't read the text.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I blanked. Okay.
I feel terrible. And I was like, honestly, it was one of those things where I just had the biggest pan attack ever.

Speaker 1 When did you realize you were late?

Speaker 1 When I texted Jake. On the side.
Yeah, you're a big side text. Well, because you guys get annoyed.
What is Billy doing? What is he doing? What is he doing? Sorry, we're also watching golf, Billy.

Speaker 1 All right, he's taking the relief. He's taking the relief.
Smart move. Okay, so Billy's here.
We're doing bad ideas. Bad idea

Speaker 1 not

Speaker 1 checking the text message thread to see what time we're starting.

Speaker 1 Okay. It's okay, Billy.

Speaker 1 Of all the ways to sit down, I thought that was the best thing you could have done. I said it before.
I was like, taking an L

Speaker 1 is a sign of progress. Just being like, I fucked up.

Speaker 3 The thing is, I don't want to show up late.

Speaker 1 No, I know. I know.
I know. I'm really sorry, guys.
It's okay. Don't cry.
Don't cry.

Speaker 1 We did.

Speaker 1 We changed the time later last night. So

Speaker 1 it wasn't that late, but it was seven. I'm going to be honest.
I totally see it. And also, we had all today.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's your flowchart, Billy, in terms of texting people on the side to see what's really going down when you don't want to make all of us mad? How does that go? Jake's the safest bat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jake is, yeah, because he'll have the most leniency.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. What do you want to do, PFT? I think we go the season one.
That's a... Pretty big mistake, or is there another like? Wait, which season one?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
All right. So, yeah, bad idea.
This is a historical bad idea. Multiple times, invading Russia in the wintertime.
Bad idea. Never want to do it.
Really bad idea.

Speaker 1 History will judge you unkindly. Yes.
Just being like, hey, you know where it gets really cold and hard to move tanks?

Speaker 1 Let's just fucking invade them in

Speaker 1 September. Yeah, I bet the Russians.
I hope it works out. I bet the Russians won't be that good at fighting a war in the winter.
Yeah, bad idea. All right, bad idea.
You got Jake and Billier up.

Speaker 1 Will Zalators is, by the way, taking a penalty stroke. But that's okay.
That's okay. Sepp is in the bunker.
So they're on the same. This will be the same shot that Sepp just took to the bunker.

Speaker 1 So if Willie Z can get on the green here, we got a chance.

Speaker 1 I like his strategy. It's a good strategy.
Yeah. Okay.
Bad idea, number two for Team Jilly. We're going to go with taking a dump without checking for toilet paper for us.
Yep. Yeah.
Really bad idea.

Speaker 1 I've once used a coffee filter.

Speaker 1 I've used my underwear before and just throw the underwear out. Yep.
Yep. That's definitely happening.
Magazine pages

Speaker 1 back in the day. Just putting your butt in the sink.
I've never done that one. I haven't either.
I have on multiple occasions taken a shower right after.

Speaker 1 Right, but I could see sometimes, I could see people having to put their butt in the sink. Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Willie Z, another approach shot.

Speaker 1 He doesn't like it.

Speaker 1 Oh, he loves it. I love it.
He loves it. There we go.
He doesn't like it. He loves it.
That's for the win for Willie Z.

Speaker 1 Okay. Next pick.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Batgirl.
Snake trap. Foul.
If you got two of them. No, no, no, no, no, no.
This is me. This is me.
This is me. This is me.
If you go out of order, you lose a turn. Batgirl.

Speaker 1 I never said that I was going to make a pick. I was just chiming in.
Oh, you're kind of fucked up. You guys did the Wuhan lab with your name?

Speaker 1 Like, I didn't even think about that at the time, but that is kind of fucked up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's fine. I'll wear that.
I'll wear that. All right, here we go.
Team Jilly.

Speaker 1 Staying out too late on a work night yeah we had that on our list entertaining clients on a Wednesday night was actually the specific bad idea now is it staying out too late that was the issue it was just a simple matter of the clock

Speaker 1 okay

Speaker 1 PFT I like

Speaker 1 I think we do our hyper-specific one

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 the football one? Yeah, yeah, let's do that. Why don't you do it?

Speaker 1 Okay, so we had kicking a field goal down eight with two minutes left, and the best quarterback of all time on the opposing team in the NFC championship game. Yes.
That would be a bad idea. Bad idea.

Speaker 1 Really bad idea. Mathematically and spiritually, also.
Just bad vibes from that decision. And I actually had, after the Nathaniel Hackett interview on Friday,

Speaker 1 Matt LaFleur did. text me and was like, you guys are just never going to let that go.
I was like, never, ever. I mean, it's a pretty bad choice.
Here's how bad the choice was. I was like,

Speaker 1 my goal is to never, ever let that go. Here's how bad the choice was.
It's my go-to when I think of coaching mistakes.

Speaker 1 And it's so bad that it got Big Cat to finally forget about Dan Quinn's field goals. Yes, yes, that's true.
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Back girl, you guys are up.

Speaker 1 This is a good Mount Rushmore. I like this Mount Rushmore.
Yeah, I'm still going to say I'm really confused about this snake draft, and I don't understand how I'm out of it. That's fine.

Speaker 1 Have you ever played fantasy football? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I'm just being. Okay, real quick.
I'm going to show you. Ready? They went.
We went. You went.
You went again.

Speaker 1 We went, they went, they went again, and we went. Right, okay.
So you're

Speaker 1 back, I'm back, I'm back. For the win?

Speaker 1 Woo! Spogey! He did it. We love it.
Willie Z. Yes, Willie.
Willie Z.

Speaker 1 Incredible. Oh, man.
I love this guy so much. It's kind of weird with three people for the snake draft.
I get what you're trying to say. Thank you.
Yeah. I fucking love this guy so much.

Speaker 1 Okay. So here we go.
I finally, like, that was, I've lost so much money betting on him, and I find I'm even

Speaker 1 for life. He tried very hard to lose this.
Yes,

Speaker 1 Sep tried even harder. Oh, he's crying.
Yeah, of course, dude. First win.
Fucking love this guy. All right.
All right. Here we go.

Speaker 1 Late night drunk text, your ex is our third one. Very bad idea.
Very bad idea. Good call.

Speaker 1 We're going to follow it up with drinking as well and the very late night shot round for the for the team. Yeah, we had that too.

Speaker 1 That's a good one. That's a really good one.
Oh, and then Billy just texts the group chat.

Speaker 1 Billy just texted his pic to the group chat live.

Speaker 1 So, do we take Billy?

Speaker 1 Wait, no, I meant to text that to Jake. Yeah, no shit.

Speaker 1 So, to be fair, Billy, we had some similar ones as you had. Well, let's just say it because then he can't say it.
Yeah, so I thought about doing not pulling out or

Speaker 1 doing like just the tip. Let's not have sex.
Let's just just put the tip in see how it feels

Speaker 1 um okay uh

Speaker 1 pft what do we want our last one to be

Speaker 1 um there's

Speaker 1 i think i think actually the g3 one is pretty good yeah yeah let's go with that all right godfather three really bad idea bad idea shouldn't have done it the the perfect two movies probably one of the only times that the the second is better than the first and then they're like let's roll the dice and go again yeah Number three.

Speaker 1 They're going to do that with Top Gun 2. Terrible idea.
Sure of it. Terrible idea.
Yeah, Godfather 3, awful movie, so much so that people just don't acknowledge that it exists.

Speaker 1 We just don't, yeah, people don't watch it. Sometimes I wonder, like, would Godfather 3 be that bad if Godfathers 1 and 2 were just like mid? Yeah, but they were, they got, they got better.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Godfather 2 got better than 1, and 1 was already a masterpiece. So, yeah.
I would love to watch a documentary about Godfather 3.

Speaker 1 At what point did they realize as they're filming it, like, hey, this is going to suck? Yeah, but we have to put it out. Yes, yes.
Okay,

Speaker 1 next up. You guys finish us off.
Finish off. Hey, speaking of finishing us off, yeah.
Pull out. Don't pull out.
Don't pull out. We can still pick that, right? Oh, yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 I mean, we kind of just

Speaker 1 kind of took it up.

Speaker 3 Did you like it?

Speaker 1 Really took the wind out of yourself. What do you got?

Speaker 1 You got anything else?

Speaker 1 I have a decent one. Wait, wait, let me see it.

Speaker 1 I'm so happy for Will's out to me. No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not pulling out. Not pulling out.
Not pulling out. Wow.
I didn't see that coming. So, wait, you're saying that pulling out is a good strategy.
It's just if you execute it improperly. Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. Got it.
So, wait. Yeah.
Hold on. Is it pulling out too late or not? No, he's saying generally.
He's saying not pulling out when you were supposed to pull out. You're against cream pies.

Speaker 1 Is that the sound it mix?

Speaker 1 The DID inception. Billy Football anti-cream pie.

Speaker 1 Put on a quote card.

Speaker 1 I think we have a shot here.

Speaker 1 That was a good Mount Rushmore. Feel good about this one.

Speaker 1 I think that

Speaker 1 Team Batgirl, the Wuhan, that one's going to...

Speaker 1 People are going to be very excited to vote for that one. That's a good one.
It really hurt everyone. We also had Prohibition.

Speaker 1 Imagine that.

Speaker 1 Who the fuck thought Prohibition was a good idea? They just said, okay, nobody's allowed to drink any more cold turkey. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I also had

Speaker 1 investing in beanie babies. That was a really bad idea.
There's a documentary that I watched where it's just so funny. All the people who were like, my entire life savings is in beanie babies.

Speaker 1 But an all-time funny meme where they're in court and they're divvying up the beanie babies as part of the divorce. I had everything that Sandler does in Uncut Gems.
Yep.

Speaker 1 It's just like, why are you doing this the entire movie? Yep.

Speaker 1 We had a lot of good ideas, too. Depending on what you were going to say, that was actually...
he did win that parlay at the end. This is how I did it.
That was correct.

Speaker 1 A hyper-specific one for our good friend Tom Segura trying to dunk when you're overweight

Speaker 1 in your 40s. That's a pretty bad idea, just in general.
Woodstock 99 was a bad idea. Yep.

Speaker 1 Anything that you do after you say the words, watch this, is generally a bad idea. Yep.

Speaker 1 I had also strip club before 9 p.m. The guy who's just like, let's go to the strip club really early.
That's just a bad idea. Yeah.
You can also make the case for like the same person who's like,

Speaker 1 let's go to the, let's drive to a casino before like 7 p.m. Not when you're in Vegas, because that's just.
You go there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you go there to gamble, but like being like, yeah, let's just go to the casino.

Speaker 1 Okay, any others?

Speaker 1 I really wanted to say drafting Jalen Rager, but I thought that may have been too specific to myself.

Speaker 1 I thought about that too, and I was like, that's too Philly-centric, but I think he's the current one where you're like, you can name all the players that were drafted instead of him.

Speaker 1 Passing Passing on Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we thought about doing that specific to you. Yeah, that would have hurt.
Although, kind of vindicated with the Deshaun Watson part. True.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen, Ryan Pace being like, hey, Mitch Shabiski got an old beat-up car. Like, he's a good guy.
Turned out to be right. That part turned out to be right.

Speaker 1 Eating greasy food before part of my take. Recording.

Speaker 1 What do you mean by greasy, Jake? Or anything that could upset your stomach? Yep. What about saying a slur on a PLL PLL broadcast? That was a bad idea.
What about you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but luckily they caught it out. They hit the dump button.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anything else? What about maybe going to a small liberal arts college instead of going to Rutgers and playing quarterback? Yeah. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 Fuck yeah. Dude, Billy, you would have been so awesome at Rutgers.
Yeah, you would have

Speaker 1 ran that campus. But no, it's actually.
It's a good thing. But it was a good thing because you're using your degree

Speaker 1 for this.

Speaker 1 It was also kind of good because I went to the college in the middle of the woods and I sort of was like, You became a woodsman. Yeah, I was hidden.

Speaker 1 They don't have any other ones like that. Wait, where were we on Grit Week?

Speaker 1 Be like the most campaign college ever in Boulder.

Speaker 1 Allow me to disappear for a while. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you were at Rutgers, you would have been on the radar a lot more.

Speaker 3 That's a fact.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It would have been nice to go to your games, though, dressed up as like your parents.
Wearing carnations on senior night. That would have been great.
The big pins.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he stole that from us, Billy. That's okay.
True. That's all right.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's the show. Let's do numbers.
Shout out Willie Z. He fucking did it.
He finally did it. Give me 33.

Speaker 1 I'll go with

Speaker 1 what was Willie Z's final score. Can someone find that? 16 under, right? Well, they were

Speaker 1 today's round. Oh, today's round.
He shot a 66. He shot a 66.
I'll go with 66.

Speaker 1 26.

Speaker 1 Four for memes. 69.
Three for memes. 56.

Speaker 1 58.

Speaker 1 58. Love you guys.
Dented, too.

Speaker 1 I think the first ever dented ball. Can I do a quick recap? I had a who's back I was really excited about.
No, we haven't done that part of the show yet. Oh, we haven't? Yeah, no, okay.

Speaker 1 I'm really sorry, guys. Who's back, Billy?

Speaker 1 Coming in overprepared 40 minutes late. I'm really sorry, guys.
I haven't

Speaker 1 love you guys.

Speaker 1 Talking away,

Speaker 1 I don't know what I'm to say. I'll say it anyway.

Speaker 1 Today's another day to find you Shy it away

Speaker 1 Oh, I'll be coming for your love okay

Speaker 1 Shy it away

Speaker 1 Oh, I'll be coming for your love okay

Speaker 1 Needless to say

Speaker 1 I'm upset in But I'll be stumbling away

Speaker 1 Slowly learning that life is okay

Speaker 1 Say up to me

Speaker 1 It's the better to be safe than sorry Stay up to me

Speaker 1 so better to be safe than sorry.

Speaker 1 Things that you say

Speaker 1 my memories away.

Speaker 1 You're all things I've got to remember. Be a shy and I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 Be a shy and I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 come

Speaker 1 drink on me. Take

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 up.

Speaker 1 Drink on me. I'll be

Speaker 1 come.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you what you're doing.

Speaker 1 Baby, come

Speaker 1 on.

Speaker 1 Take on me.

Speaker 1 Take me

Speaker 1 up.

Speaker 1 Take on me, I'll be

Speaker 1 your

Speaker 1 family.

Speaker 1 Take on me, say

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 Take on me, I'll make

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 1 a bad one.