Jake Plummer Live From His Mushroom Farm, Hard Knocks, Grit Week Midweek Recap + Mt Rushmore Of Universally Loved Things

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On today's Pardon My Take, Jake the Snake Plumber, all-time guy, quarterback for the Cardinals, the Broncos, almost won a national title with Arizona State, and now Mushroom Farmer. We go to his mushroom farm.

You're going to want to watch this on YouTube because we literally are sitting in a mushroom farm cooler. We have a great interview with him about his career, life after football, Pat Tillman, ton of stuff covered.
We also have Grit Week Wednesday, so we're halfway through Grit Week. We talk talk about everything we did we have hard knocks to recap some stuff going on in the sports world hot seat cool throne and then we finish off with the mount rushmore of universally loved things great great show coming up ever had one of those days when it's just too cold to keep working nah neither has ariat ariot work jackets and boots are packed with all the cold stopping waterproof protection you need to get the job done under any conditions so you can take any job out there and always deliver check out ariot in your local workwear retailer or visit ariot.com work to get 10 off your first order when you sign up for email.
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Today is Wednesday, August 10th, and football is back. Officially back.
I would like to issue a challenge right now. If there's anybody out there that does have one ass cheek and three toes, I will beat the fuck out of you.
Yes. I will kick your ass.
I want that person's name, rough and rowdy, me and you. I'll put $500,000 on the line.
So, yeah, Dan Campbell, Hard Knocks, incredible Hard Knocks. It was probably the – Hank said that it was probably one of the best Hard Knocks episodes that we've had since we started this show because Hard Knocks has lulled.
The best. Yeah, it has lulled.
But it's basically the Dan Campbell biopic, and it's incredible. The exact quote he said was, doesn't matter if you have one ass cheek and three toes, I'll beat your ass.
want to is he is that is he beating like a handicapped person yeah if you have one ass yeah no i hate that person yeah kick his ass yeah he also kick his one ass dan campbell um everything that you want in a football coach uh like especially for hard knocks i you know the jury's still out on actually winning, which I think the Lions will be better this year. But the way he talks to his team, the fact that he's always on the verge of crying, football guy tears.
He's always on the verge of crying. We opened up where he said the one-ass, cheek, three-toes guy, he also got very, very vivid in his explanation

of drowning a human being to a point where it was like,

have you drowned someone, Dan Campbell?

He's like, we're going to pull you into the deep end

and we're going to suffocate you and put your head underwater

and you'll never breathe again.

And it was like, wait, are you saying something that happened?

But holy shit, can that guy fire up a team? He also had a great analogy that he used. I'm trying to remember his exact words.
Well, he came out wearing the grit hat. And right off the bat, just straight up said, this team's about grit.
I feel like that was a message to us. I did not appreciate, however, it felt like a direct shot at us when he said, we have two rules.
Don't be late and don't be overweight. Yeah.
And that kind of describes this entire podcast. Yeah, that is true.
That was a little fucked up, Dan. Yep.
But besides that, yeah, Dan Campbell's going to be a star. He already is a star in my heart.
He's a star. But yeah, the crying, the spitting when he talks.
The up-downs. That's his mouth crying when he spits out.
Chaw dog. The up-downs, chaw dog, big time chaw dog.
Love everything. The crying is contagious, too.
Yeah. Other players are going to start crying.
Jamal Williams was crying. Also...
I want to see an episode where a kicker gives an impassioned speech, like the special teams room, and the kicker starts crying. Yes, and speaking of crying, shout out Mark Brunel.
He will never escape that. Every time I see his face, I'm just like, remember when he cried on TV? He cried because of footballs.
It's okay. I want to be perfectly clear.
It's great to cry about football. It's awful to cry about footballs.
Yes. And he was like, Tom Brady took care of those balls.
Dude, he played 19 years in the NFL. He has a Super Bowl ring with the saints he's a coach on the detroit lions right now and every time i see his face i'm like oh remember when he cried on tv like that's just his legacy uh-huh it's just it's just he he cried on tv yeah and not dan campbell cry which is like no it's the most manly thing you could do when dan campbell's just screaming at them like i have a plan for you like the reason why we're in pads all i do is think about you guys yeah well he also he sprinkles in here and there he always says like he talks to the word men in yeah and if you just put the men the word men into a sentence it just makes it seem like like you're for the guys yes like i care about you guys yes Yes.
Billy actually said after watching the episode, he's like, I think I might be Dan Campbell's, like, lost child. I mean, Dan Campbell knows how to get the troops going.
It was a great episode. We also had Dan Campbell, you know, explaining his coaching staff.
He has just a bunch of guys who played a lot of NFL games. And then we had the clip where it was Deuce Daly and Aaron Glenn going at each other in practice.
And we all kind of looked at each other watching it. By the way, shout out the AWL Kyle for hosting us.
Incredible hosting job. He and his wife, they put everything out.
And Winston the dog. And Winston the dog.
And they their two friends, but awesome time watching at a random A. W.
House. We're now three for three or four for four, not getting murdered.
So we're on a hot streak. Definitely a thousand percent.
Yeah. Very cool.
I don't know the exact record. We just show up at a person's house and we're just like, yeah, let's watch hard knocks.
But, um, we all turn to each other, including Kyle. And we're like, is do Staley and Aaron Glenn, glenn like are they coaching right now or are they just trying to beat each other like in this meaningless scrimmage it was a it was kind of an odd vibe they're playing live action madden against each other they're looking at the guys that they coach and they're like okay i'm gonna kick your ass today yeah you know it's the exact same thing as when you're playing madden against your friend you're talking shit shit.
That's literally what they're doing. I feel like I hope that they go back and they, like, look at the tape and actually coach them up.
But I think more so than ever, like, after every practice, they'll probably go back, look at the tape. And Deuce Daly will look at Aaron Glenn on the sidelines and find fucked up, like, weird things that he's doing on the sidelines just to roast him about later.
Right. Not so much, like, what your own players are doing.
It was odd coaching. was just i liked it yeah no it was it was intense it's great tv yeah like i don't the best part about it could have cut around it too you never know if they're only using those parts or whatever yeah what i would say the best part about hard knocks is every time i've ever watched hard knocks and this happens every single year you watch the team and you're like this is the best team ever assembled because they're so physical.
And because, you know, everything's mic'd up in the pads and everything.

You're like, this team has grit and they are going to be fucking getting after people.

One thing I am worried about, though, when it does come time to cut players, Dan Campbell, the crying.

He might die cutting a player because he's so sad to see one of his men leave.

Yeah.

And you know how like they always do lip service during the cut days when the coach is like, I'll always put in a reference for you. I think Dan Campbell might spend cut day literally calling all 31 teams, being like, get this guy.
Yeah. Because he needs a job.
Yeah. Yeah, he might just become, like, an outbound salesperson.
He also probably, like, will call their next of kin to notify them. Yeah.
Like, right after the leave, he's like, hey, I regret to inform you that your son has been cut from the Detroit Lions. I'm very sorry.
Yes. The other highlights of the show, Aiden Hutchinson singing.
I just love the moment when they make rookies go up and say what their signing bonus is. And he's like $22 million and everyone just lost it.
And then we also had Jamal Williams with the quote of the night when he when he said if you're gonna piss like a puppy stay on the porch let the big dogs eat which now is a shirt that we're selling in the barstool sports store thank you jamal williams yeah i think aiden hutchinson when he when he got drafted and before he got drafted when we were kind of like reading the tea leaves of yeah you're gonna go to detroit dan campbell wants to draft you because he wants to just like wrestle, wrestle you. He wants you around for your presence.
Right. I actually think now he drafted him just so that he could watch Penne Sewell and Aiden Hutchinson wrestle each other every single day.
Iron sharpens iron. Iron sharpens iron.
By the way, Jake, all-time wild moment. Yes, Aiden Hutchinson's first youth football team.
The Lions wore the jersey drafted by the Lions. His mom was like, she what about his mom no oh she said oh jake yeah we had other teams we had a little mini jack Wilson on our hands i would have been happy but i was secretly really hoping it was just the lions yeah yeah it was also because because jake's brother is here right now and he was like when he walked in he's like, Jake is notoriously horny.
Yes. Always.
He's a big mom guy. Another moment that was scary.
Just like the profession. The reporter's phone going off during the press conference.
Yes. And he called them out.
If that was me, I would have just like turned in my credential. Did you have secondhand embarrassment? Yes.
I turned to Hank. I'm like, if that was me, I would just walk out.
This is why Jake is so, he completes the show so perfectly because I didn't even think twice about that. And Jake like not jotted it down being like, could you imagine being that reporter? It's always funny too.
When somebody's alarm goes off and it's like 1045. Yeah.
It's like, wait, that's your wake up alarm right now. Yeah.
So, I mean, it it was a great episode great wild moment great episode yeah he's going to be running training camp like it's mosh pit which is awesome yeah like it's going to be they're they're going to be hitting because studies have shown he is really billy's father studies have shown that having what velocity and violence in in a certain amount what was the quote, Billy? I know that you paid attention to it. Cool Throne studies, volume and intensity is essential for a winning season.
There we go. Studies.
Studies are back. Hank's right, though.
I don't know what HBO is doing to us, but what's up with the 45-minute episode? We all were just like, wait, it's over now? They needed 60 seconds of DeAndre Hoppe in slow motion. It's fucking bullshit.
Yeah. To promo the end season one.
Give me those 15 seconds. Give me that back.
And then that was actually great after the credits were rolling. The offensive line room when the guy was just like, I don't know what player it was when he was just like, I have so many cool clothes I can't wait to fit in.
He's like, oh, man, it's going to be great. Yep.
And no busting ass in the running backs room either yes you fart you're out yes and deuce is gonna count to 10 when you go outside you get fined for farting yeah yeah he said section five or something yeah so you get fined for farting yeah i mean it was a great episode i'm excited the hard knock season like it it's one of those things too where they can't give us enough dan Like I, there is no, my thirst for Dan Campbell is unquenched even after watching 45 minutes of him. Yeah.
I would like somebody to actually like hold my head under Dan Campbell and just drown in Dan Campbell. Yeah.
Just a pool of Dan Campbell. Take me to the deep end of Dan Campbell.
Just Dan Campbell's tears. Like drown me in Dan Campbell's tears.
Yes. I'm for it it it's definitely coming to they kind of foreshadowed it but we'll get it we'll get like a full jared episode yeah and he's our guy we gotta have him back on yeah there's a there's shout out the one awl who tweets me every day being like it's been this many days since you've had jared goff on that guy's doing he's he's he's working hard open invite yeah he's doing he's doing a good job.
Speaking of the AWLs, we are in Denver. We did a meetup.
It was awesome. We had, I mean, the line was like, we actually, at one point, we did like a double take because we thought the line was for the game, for the Rockies game, but it was literally a line down the block.
And, you know, we got to meet everyone, take pictures with everyone, but it, it was such a, like those moments are so cool to remember just how, like we have so many fans everywhere and how big the world is. And it's like, not all these people are the, you know, I, I know Monday I was like complaining about the very, very vocal minority on Twitter.
Like these are all people that just love our show and, and support us. so shout out to all of them i also think that denver people are amongst the chillest yeah i would i would say maybe the chillest city in north america yeah and the variety of drugs that we were given tonight by listeners all of them yeah it was like every time i felt like i was in hamsterdam yeah it was amazing name a drug actually one guy handed pft a piece of paper and i was like and pft was like what is this and the guy was like it's a parlay and i turned to pft i was like i 100 thought that was acid like there's no way like well it might still be i don't know he definitely phrased it like it was acid he was like here here's a full of piece of paper and he was like hang on to this for later yeah and i was like okay what is it he's like oh it's a parlay it's gonna hit yeah so i'm gonna put the parlay in week one obviously you have the napkin parlay yeah and we'll publicize that we'll publicize the napkin parlay so other people can that could be acid and if you yeah and we'll put like do the math and be like okay i'm gonna try to win like 800 tabs of acid yeah this parlay maybe eat that paper later and let us know how it goes i mean we're in denver it probably has some runoffs yes yes and the one the the awo who saw us on monday after we did the tour of cores which was awesome and he came up to me just dead serious he's just like big cat i want you to have my biggest nug and he just took out the biggest fucking nug i've ever seen i was like okay cool that guy had a pair of my sunglasses.
Yeah, that's right. He was like, I wanted to give you your sunglasses back.
You left them at the Pop Punk concert in Denver like eight months ago. What a great series of gifts that guy gave.
Yeah, dude rocks. That dude rocks.
Like, who just willingly gives away their biggest nug? That's not something you do. You keep your biggest nug.
I've also noticed that everybody in denver not everyone but a sizable majority of them look a lot like jake plumber yeah they have mustaches they've got long hair mustaches and they all appear to be in like really good shape but wearing a dirty t-shirt yes yeah pretty much it's i mean it's a great it's a great city we've had a great time we went we went to cores we went to colorado boulder we got to see the facility there um we've been everywhere we went to jake plumber's mushroom farm that's coming up in a second my leg really hurts i was given this is one of the best gifts i've ever been given by an awl it's a it's a baja blast polo oh hell yes he's like i know you love baja blast it's too small i tried it on it's too small for me. It is right up your alley, though, PFT.
So I'm going to gift my favorite gift to you. Incredible.
Thank you, Hank. Wear it well.
I know you will. I know.
You know I love Baja Blast. And I know that's your color.
That's a good color for you. All right, it's enormous.
Low-key, diet Baja Blast fucking hits. Yeah.
It slaps. I had one for breakfast the other day.
Ooh, nice. I'm living healthy's crew week live clean yeah i am living moss yeah live the whole time what do you say billy i got a space force coin oh space force officer that was pretty cool yeah i i think my favorite uh person that i i met today is a listener and he saves up all of his episodes yes and he saved up like six months

worth of episodes because he goes to work on a fucking submarine yeah and so he listens to all part of my day he catches up like he's probably listening to super bowl episode yeah he's listening he's in the power i was like so dude you're just time traveling he's like yeah it's pretty sweet yeah he was like yo i just heard like yesterday morning that was fucked up what you said to john Yeah, right, right.

That's, yeah.

His friend just died.

Billy's list member, the submarine guy.

Oh, nice.

There you go. I just heard yesterday morning that was fucked up what you said to John Cena.
Yeah, right. His friend just died.

Billy's List member, the submarine guy.

Oh, nice.

There you go.

Beautiful.

Now I kind of don't like him.

So let's do premature Super Bowl predictions.

He's probably listening to this six months from now, Super Bowl week.

Yeah.

Sorry about that war you started with Russia.

Yeah, that's kind of a bummer.

You're going to be on high alert.

That submarine was actually defecting to the United States. We send you all the signals.
But yeah, it was a great time. It really is like I know that we should be used to it, but every time we do a meet and greet like that.
We didn't think people were going to show up. Yeah, we knew people were going to show up, but we're like oh yeah, Buffalo would have been have been way more.
Denver was that was I mean, conservative. What do you think? Thousand people.
It was two hours straight of pictures and talking to people. And it was like every time it happens, I should expect it.
And then it happens. I'm like, that was awesome.
Like, that was really fucking cool that we got to see everyone and like be out with the people. So, yeah, shout out everyone, especially the cardinals fans who got to see the barackies just shit down their throat that was extra fun um well i think there was a lot of cardinals fans yeah well yeah they're playing yeah yeah so uh all right what other we got to talk about a couple other stories kevin durant wants um sean marks and steve nash fired so that's the latest in the world.
I kind of agree with Kevin Durant. Well, so here's the thing.
I think that Sean Marks is a bad GM because he brought Kevin Durant in. Yeah.
So Kevin Durant's right. Or Kyrie at least.
They should fire him for bringing him in there. But with Steve Nash, I do agree.
Like, Steve Nash, I like him. I think he's a good guy.
I think his players like him as a person. But watching him in the playoffs.
What was that look, Hank? I'm not talking about his coaching. I think it's not good.
I think he's like. He's got to play Blake more.
Yeah, he needs to play Blake Griffin way more. When we saw him in the playoffs, it was abundantly clear.
Like, he doesn't fight for his guys at all. Yeah.
I think the players like. Yeah, I don't think the players respect him as like a coach.
They're just like, he cool guy yeah yeah just have him as like minister of vibes but it is kevin durant's pick like he you know maybe he didn't say i want steve nash but he had to have signed off on it that's the that's the best part about this whole story is that it comes out that kevin durant's demanding both the coach and the gm are fire which is it unprecedented, but I'm sure LeBron's done it many times. But you can't, like Joe Sy, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube here.
You gave Kevin Durant basically ownership of this team. You can't be like, oh my God, how could this happen? He wants everyone fired.
They did the press conference after they got swept by the Celtics being like Kyrie Irving be like yeah Kevin and I are got to get got to get together and figure out what's best for this team like they they run the team you gave them the team you can't be upset that now the guys who you gave the team to are trying to run the team Kevin Durant has left the group chat with Mark what's his name Mars and uh Steve Nash. Yeah.
Ben Simmons. That was the other part.
Ben Simmons came out that he, uh, before game four, they had a group chat with all the players and they asked him like, are you ready to go? And he just left the group chat, which is a hilarious move. Like I, whatever you want to say about Ben Simmons, leaving the group chat is always a power move.
I don't know how to leave a group chat. Oh, it's so funny.
I do it all the time. I'm still in group chats from neighborhoods that I lived in 11 years ago.
Yeah. 11 years ago.
And I get texts all day and I still haven't figured out how to leave it yet. Yeah.
I'll leave the group. I leave the group chat all the time.
Just as a joke. Like someone says something you don't like, just like leave.
Because it's just a very funny thing to do. Then you get added back.
They should add a feature where if somebody leaves a group chat, you can then like that. Yeah.
Like that they left the group chat. Well, I also like to add people back who leave.
Like Brandon Walker likes to leave group chats. Like when we start talking about how Ben Mintz is the king of the south.
So he'll leave and then I'll immediately add him back. Being like, you aren't going anywhere.
Yeah. Ben Simmons did dispute that in a way.
He tweeted out, must be a slow news day and then some crying face emojis. So it's true.
So it's 100% true. It's 100% true.
And yeah, it is a slow news day. Yeah, it is.
It's fucking August, Ben. Yeah, and Hard Knocks hasn't come out yet.
Yeah, and then Roquan Smith notes at Bears, which is never good. So he wants, he said that he's being disrespected.
Ryan Poles, the GM, to his credit, did a press conference almost immediately, which I do think is like a little bit of a change because he's like, I'm going to meet this head on. And who wants an off-ball linebacker? Because it looks like it's up for grabs now.

Yeah.

I mean, he's a good player.

He's a very good player.

But the problem is it's one of those situations where he's a very good player,

but he's not a position that is like a top four position on a field that you have to pay.

It's not a QB.

It's not an edge rusher.

It's not a wide receiver.

It's not an offensive, like a premier offensive lineman.

Like that's – I don't know what you – you've got to pay him, but you also don't want to pay him so much. Although the cap doesn't matter.
Fuck it. Pay him.
I think that linebackers have kind of become the running backs of the defense where you don't need to pay a start. You don't need to start.
And I, in a way, like I missed the old days when it was, you know, like a linebacker centric league when you had Urlacher and Ray Lewis as the faces of the league. That was a good time to be a football fan.
Yes. That was the age of jacked up.
Yeah, yeah. And they go hand-in-hand too, right? The running back position and running the ball and those linebackers.
It's clear what's happened in the league with the past heavy league. I hope the Bears figure it out, but I just know that waking up to getting notes apped by the best player on your team is never a good sign.
It's not good. No, you can't.
It was a long notes app, too. He really notes it.
Was it more than one page? Did you have multiple pages? It was two pages, I believe, yeah. Yeah, that's tough.
Yeah, and then Ian Rappaport was had just every detail because Roquan Smith, it was told to him. Yeah, it's bad.
Bad scene. Let me ask you this.
In D.C., would you say it's a good or a bad thing to have your defensive line coach get fired three weeks into training camp? Good. Do you think that's a good thing? Yeah, because you don't want to go into the season with him so if he's bad get him out i saw a picture of the new defensive line coach in dc i think it's an upgrade yeah this guy just he was wearing athletic shorts and he had a belt on that is a fucking coach yeah but you know what i mean like you don't want to if there's a problem deal with it now yeah don't deal with it in in october nice to deal with in January.
Yeah, of course. But you know, you had to wait to, if there's a problem, deal with it now.
Yeah. Don't deal with it in October.

Well, it would have been nice to deal with it in January.

Yeah, of course.

But, you know, you had to wait until he showed up to realize that he sucked.

So, basically, Rivera spent the last, like, seven months being like, you know what?

This guy really stinks.

Maybe I've known him for the last 15 years.

Maybe he'll really turn a corner this spring.

Yeah, something will be different.

I feel like this is his time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, everyone has that friend who's like, yeah, something will be different now. now yeah but i like the new guy just based on vibes alone that is that is good vibes uh anything else in the in the world of sports we got to hit before we hit hot sequel uh chris sale chris sale he joe biden himself or jim calhoun the og of falling off his bike fell off his bike broke his hand after the season i don't believe it yeah well so i i just don't believe it.
I was going to say like gut just going off his bike. Fell off his bike, broke his hand after the season.
I don't believe it. Yeah, well, so I just don't believe it.
I was going to say, like, gut, just going off my gut right now until I see video evidence, I think he was, like, playing basketball. I think it was something else.
Yeah, no, I do not believe. Because Chris Sale, I want to say, who was it? Yeah, Chris Sale broke his foot when he was on the White Sox, and he said it was because he was stepping off his truck.
So he just is the king of weird injuries. So I don't really buy it.
So like Mr. Bean, how does he have all these freak? And then he had Tommy John surgery, right? So how many seasons has he played for the Red Sox? I got some stats for you.
All right, stat me up. This is from John Tomase on Twitter.

Signed a five-year, $145 million contract extension in 2020.

Who did?

Chris Sale.

Since then, he's made 11 starts.

Oof.

Posted a playoff ERA of eight.

Oof.

Missed nearly two years to Tommy John.

Contracted COVID, which that just seems like a ricochet.

That's awesome.

Come on, don't throw that on there. Come on.
Everyone in the world has had COVID multiple times. Jake had COVID.
Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
Jake Barsh had COVID. Yeah.
I should tell you he can get anyone. Yeah, that's just unnecessary, but it's in the tweet.
Broken a rib throwing a pitch. Wait, what was that? Broken what? Broken a rib throwing a pitch.
Okay, you got to say that slowly. He broke a rib throwing a pitch.

He has.

This is all the things he has done. He has broken a rib

throwing a pitch.

He has broken a pinky on a liner.

That was another one.

That was a freak injury.

That shit happens.

If it happens on the field, that's a much different story

than getting off a truck or falling off a bike. Broken a rib falling off a bike.
I want to see his bike too. Because like if he can produce the bike within 24 hours, a picture of it, I'll tell you if he fell off it or not.
Like if he's riding one of those like Tour de France bikes, then I believe it. But if he shows a picture of a bike and it's like a mountain bike there's no way that he fell off his bike or if he that's if you ask him to produce a picture of the bike and he just doesn't have a bike like you know what i mean that you there are certain people that you can tell like they're putting on gotta be a cycling yeah they're putting on their spandex lance armstrong suit and they're yeah they're locking in because that's how you fall you lock in and they're just you know cycling around everywhere that guy falls off his bike if he's going around on a fucking i don't even know what they're called what's like probably a friend huffy a schwinn french bike no no no no i'm saying like the opposite of a oh yeah yeah huffy a huffy a schwinn of uh mountain uh mountain track just walk outside right here in denver and see what's on the first t-shirt you see.
A track? That's probably one of those bikes. Is this track a bike? Yeah.
We're big bicyclists. You can tell on that show.
A mongoose. A mongoose.
Yes. Thank you, Billy.
A mongoose. That's the Walmart.
If he's got a mongoose, he didn't fall off that bike. I think it's really impressive, though.
He's made what? You said $120 million? He's made 2020. Okay.
So he's gotten paid $10 million to start. Yeah.
That rocks. You know, it'd be cool is if you, if you fell off pegs or pegs, if he was getting driven around by somebody, he was on the front pegs.
That'd be awesome. That'd be so fucking cool.
Pegs were the best. Okay.
Anything else in the sports world? Serena Williams retiring. Oh, she did.
Basically go. My hot seat was the sport of tennis.
Oh, losing great. Oh, Serena Williams.
Is Williams retiring? Oh, she did? That was my hot seat. Goat? My hot seat was the sport of tennis.

Oh.

Losing a great Serena Williams.

Is she retiring or is she doing like a...

She's slowly like...

She's doing a golf game.

Oh, she's going to play again.

Yeah.

And she's not even the good one.

No, she is.

She is.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Venus is the older sister.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Serena's the goat.

The goat.

Yeah, she is the goat. Easily.
Yeah, tennis is a popular sports podcast, so I figure we're going to talk about that. Didn't she marry that dude who created Reddit or something? I think it's Alexis Ohanian.
Yeah. Yeah, I think so.
All right, now it's talking tennis. Thanks, Jake.
Oh, and the Orioles are back. They keep winning.
Fuck you, Hank.

What are you looking like that for?

You gave up.

I didn't give up.

I couldn't cash out the bet.

The bet's still there.

I didn't give up.

I said I didn't like the fact that they gave up.

But I didn't give up.

I said fuck them.

I might have given up a little.

But I'm back.

I get a mulligan.

All right, let's do a hot seat, cool throw, and then we'll get to Jake Plummer, which is a great, great interview.

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PFT, hot seat, or Hank, PFT, Hank.

Hot seat with the wrong.

Hank, I want you to go first because you were so nice and you gave me this Baja blast.

It's fucking me up that we're like, I feel like I'm being interviewed.

Maybe you are.

Oh, shit.

My hot seat is Kelly Olenek.

Yeah.

The clinic.

Yeah.

Former Celtic Great. Former, I think, was he on the Bullets? Was he on the...
Yeah, probably. Yeah.
Former Washington, great. Who cares? He got married.
He has long hair, too. He's got, you know, allegedly seems like he has flow.
We don't all know each other. Has the appearance of flow.
You guys are like Jeep guys? He got married, put his wedding photos out, and he wore a snapback in all his wedding photos, and is's getting destroyed on the internet. You can't do a snapback.
No. He was doing Jordans, too, which I think that's a little...
You can maybe make that work. Yeah, people do that now.
Yeah. But a snapback is crazy.
What about top hat? I feel like top hats... With a tuxedo? I mean, like a stovepipe.
Or scaly. I'm thinking like Abraham Lincoln top hat.
Yeah. With a tuxedo.
Do you have a nice enough tuxedo? Like you can make it look fly. But you can't.
Like you can make the old school hats look good because like tuxedo is an old school look. But a snapback just doesn't go.
It was a tough look. But I guess he doesn't give a fuck.
He's made how much money? A lot. How much money has he made? Oh, man.
Is this going to bum you out? Remember when he broke Kevin Love's shoulder? I was just all in the game. That was the same thing as Jimmy Butler.
People look too far into that stuff. Kelly Olenek, career earnings.
Everyone take a guess. $89 million.
Yeah, fuck. Hank took my number.
You said $89 million? $90 million. He's going to be one of these guys that's like $120 million or something.
No. $50 million.
So, so far in his career, he's made $70 million. Oh, he's broke.
He's going to be one of these guys that's like 120 or something. No.
50. So, so far in his career, he's made 70.
Oh, he's broke. But he's set to make his next two years, because I think they're all guaranteed, 95.
That's nuts. Yeah.
That's nuts. Yeah.
His biggest contribution to any team was the Kevin Love. Yeah, it was a big contribution.
If you're 6'8", you should make $50 million playing basketball.

Otherwise, you're a failure. There's really no excuse.

Yes, correct. If I was 6'8",

you'd all be fucked. It would have been over.

You'd be dunking on Billy. I'd be in three Hall of Fames.

Yeah.

My cool throne is Mississippi State.

I've honestly talked

a lot of shit about Mississippi State. It was my least favorite

school to visit. I put it on the Mount Flushmore of colleges I think when we did that Or something But in their new stadium In their balcony seats at Davis Wade It's going to allow fans to bring in their own Refrigerator games to store cold beverages So like their elevated Bleacher seats with room underneath.
I like that.

That's great.

It's innovation at its finest. They're doing the thing where you have to make your stadiums feel more like somebody's home

because you're competing against people staying home and watching games from their couch.

They're really taking that to the next level.

I like that.

Well, it's like NASCAR.

Yeah.

Which is great.

That's pretty much the best part about NASCAR.

More stadiums need to be like Maction, too, where you can leave. Northern Illinois

does it. I think a couple other ones do it, too,

where you can leave at halftime and go tailgate and come

back. That's great.

So, yeah, step in the right direction.

Also, shout out Mississippi State playing in the inaugural

Barstool Sports Invitational for

basketball. Yes, true.

Bring in our guy Jelly.

Our guy Jelly, Andy Kennedy.

November 11th in Philly. The big UAB guys this year.
Is that it, Hank? Yeah. Okay.
Okay. Very good, Hank.
Good job. Good job, Hank.
Thanks. My hot seat is Domino's.
Putting Domino's pizza on the hot seat. They just got kicked out of Italy.
Yeah. You can't lose Italy.
You know how bad? You can't. You can't.
You can't. You can can't that's if you're a pizza place and you lose italy you can't that's like if you're selling heroin and you lose baltimore you can't do it it's bad you can't like that that's you're running a bad business yeah at that point and so they were so unpopular in italy they were just like uh we're just gonna go home we're gonna we're gonna pack up our shit and leave because i guess Italians don't like pizza.
Yeah. I guess it's a Papa John's country.
I don't know. Oh, my God.
That sucks. It's really bad.
That's really bad. It's so fucked.
Yeah, you cannot lose Italy if you're a pizza company. Probably the first pizza company to ever have to fold up shop in Italy.
Yeah. What the fuck? bad damn um so r.i.p dominoes and then my cool throne give me one second here my cool throne is going to be cam smith because cam smith uh recurring guest on part of my take he came on right after he won the open championship uh he's leaving the pga tour and going to the Live Tour.
Oh. Allegedly.
As first reported by Pardon My Take. Yes.
All right. Yeah.
I like that. Please credit.
Well, no. He said that he would do it today.
But I reported that like two days after the Open. Yeah.
Please credit. I'm a golf insider.
And he won't admit it, right? He refuses to acknowledge it. Yeah.
He's Irish goodbying. Yeah.
And hello-ing. So he's going to be joining the Live Tour.
$100 million. Pretty good.
But then the report came out today that there was a Live lawyer that said, I mean, just saying it out loud, like being a lawyer for the Live Tour, that's got to be a very scary profession. Yeah.
Your whole life is like Better Call Saul. He's saying that the money that's won by the players in tournaments is actually recouped against the live contracts.
So I guess if they pay you $100 million and you win a tournament, it's just like we're going to take that off your tab so you don't get an extra check. Even though Live Tour has been saying all along that the money that you win in a tournament is on top of that.
One of their lawyers publicly said today that's recouped against the Liv contracts. So big controversy now.
Who would have thought that Mohammed bin Salman might have some underhanded business dealings? Is the Liv running out of money? They might be. They might be in bad trouble.
Yeah. So I hope Cameron Smith.
That's a significant clause. If you paid me $100 million and you're like, if you win, we're just going to take that out, I would be the worst golfer ever.
Like, if we've said $100 million is our number, if the Liv got us for $100 million, and then we have the Aaron Rodgers episode that does Numbies, and they're like, yeah, actually, that's coming off your tab. I'm out.
Fuck that. Yeah, I'm out.
You know what? That's where my morals step up. Yep.
I'm like, I don't think this is cool anymore. When the check doesn't clear, that's as far as I go.
I start having real strong thoughts on a global scale. Yep.
Yeah. All right.
That does it for me. Okay.
Thanks, man. My hot seat.
Yeah, good job. My hot seat is Beth Mullins and the Beth Mullins game.
It's dead. It's gone.
So Big Ten has their new contract, new deal. It's Fox primarily, and then they also have NBC and CBS.
So the Big Ten is going to be on, I think they're going to do all the windows on Saturday where it's 12 o'clock, 3.30, and like a night game on all three networks. So that means, unfortunately, ESPN will not have the Big Ten and we will not have Beth Moens putting us, you know, in a perfect spot on a Saturday morning watching Purdue and Northwestern have a punt off.
And I'm going to miss that because that game means a lot to me. Yeah, it's kind of like soccer adjacent where there's not going to be a lot of scoring.
It's going to be on early in the morning. It's going to introduce to introduce to your day like calmly it's gonna ease you into a long day of football there was nothing better than watching game day and then having it just immediately like the the hype of game day then just flip over to like a dreary big 10 campus with a half filled stadium late in like november and just being put to sleep and it was just great and those games are always zero three in the second quarter yeah they waste zero time corso puts on the headgear and then boom boom off welcome yeah right and it's just i'm gonna miss that that was part of my saturday it was a great way to ease you into saturday because like i'm i don't like and i know that like the big dune kick and everything, I don't like having a huge game right away.

I like to ease my way in.

Because you know there's so many games going on.

I want to just watch all the other games and then be like,

all right, 3.30 is a huge game.

8 o'clock is a huge game.

I need to ease my way in.

Well, it would honestly be fucked up to have a game that started at 11 o'clock

be a 50 to 40 game.

Right.

I wouldn't like that. Right.
It's like this is too much like this is too much right exactly so i'm very sad that's gone um and then my cool throne is uh me because colin coward of all people did a better job and more gracious job of explaining my size problems as hank has said than anyone else that's a direct quote yes about talking about your length of your feet and legs. Oh, really? Yeah, that's it.
The guy has notoriously long feet. Coward talked about our Aaron Rodgers interview, and he is now going on seven years of the running gag of pretending he doesn't know who we are.
He dropped the PFT commentator. Always plays.
That's basically my name. Yeah.
I get that a good like seven times a year from prominent people. Or PMT commenter.
Yeah, PMT commenter. That happens occasionally.
And then he described me as a stand-up comedian, big guy, big physical presence. At this point, I respect Coward for doing this because he is so committed to it the guy is obsessed with sports coverage podcasting all these things so for him to pretend he doesn't know what the number one sports podcast is i actually tip my cat but it's funny and he also went out of his way to unfollow us yeah at the same time like three years ago right when we were roasting him so he knows exactly who of course he does he dude he's like someone like that is he has a podcast he's he has a podcast network he's obsessed with numbers and all these things but again i at first when it when we were like in year three or four i was like oh that's that's fucked up like he should know who we are now.
It's, he definitely knows who we are, who we are. And he's doing it as a bit.
And I respect it. I really, I respect it.
His daughter follows all of us. Oh, bonk.
Uh, sup bonk. Um, I got a funny Colin coward story.
This is back in like 2014. I want to say I went to South by Southwest.
Were you pissing next to him? No, I wasn't being next to him one day. I would dominate him so hard.
so I want to say I went to South by Southwest Were you pissing next to him? No I wasn't peeing next to him One day I would dominate him so hard So I go to this South by Southwest event And it's me I'm meeting up with Cliff Kingsbury Or not Cliff Kingsbury Yeah what? Huh? Kirk Goldsbury Okay I always fucked that one A little bit of a mess Yeah Kirk's more He's hotter And he also has accomplished more accomplished more. He's got a gold medal.
Yeah, so it's me and Kirk. And Kirk, we go to South by Southwest and Colin Coward's there.
And so he's like, okay, I want to go up and introduce myself to Colin. I think he might know who I am.
So I just stand there. I'm watching the two of them shake hands.
And Colin's talking real close to him. And he spits on him while he talks.
And it's like this one giant bubble of spit that comes out of the cow turds mouth and it lands right on Kirk's face. And he doesn't know what to do about it, but he starts like looking at me out of the corner out of his eye being like, I can't like wipe this off because Colin knows that he spit on me, but I don't want Colin to feel bad that he spit on me.
And it becomes like a Mexican standoff of like, is Colin going to stop talking? Or is Kirk going to be able to extricate himself from the conversation and wipe the spit off his face? And to his credit, he stuck through the entire conversation, turned to me and goes, oh my God, Colin Cowher just spit on my face. He it wipes himself down it is that i think that kirk played it well because you have to as the spitter you have to acknowledge that you spit yeah that's on you to be like oh i'm so sorry but if you don't do that then yeah you can't be like dude you just spit on me yep cowher's yeah i can't admit anything yeah exactly yeah he's got a problem he does he does, let me explain this in a way you might understand You're like Blockbuster And we're like Netflix You had your shot, Colin And you missed it Colin, you are The first wife We're the second wife The hot wife The wife that's 20 years younger That everyone's like, ooh at his new wife.
That's us. You want to have fun with us, but I don't think you'd rock this body, Colin.
Then my other cool throw in is sportsmanship because Little League World Series is back and everyone loves sportsmanship. I hate it.
I only deserve double sportsmanship. Dave, what? Specific scenarios.
Yes, yes. Our boss Dave got roasted on Twitter.
He was trending. I just loved it because if you didn't expect Dave to tweet exactly that, welcome to the show.
The show's been going for a long time. That's the show.
He has that take every year, and people get mad about it every year. Big Cat, what was his take? He's doing Hank's role right now.
Yeah, it was. I was actually just.
I'm not fucking explaining it. That's a great.
That's good work. A kid.
I didn't even have to come out yet. When it does, people are going to.
I'm going to be vindicated. A kid got beamed in the head.
And then the pitcher. These are 12 year old boys.
11, 12. The pitcher was shaking up because he rocked him with a fastball to the dome.
Was crying on the mound. And then the kid went and like consoled him and was like it's okay i'm gonna be okay and then dave was like this is bullshit you're trying to play for a spot in williamsport that's the pitcher's plate and like why would you ever let him off the hook when you have that kid was what would dan campbell say to that dude i know i like i said he's been running the same play for a very long time.
The internet gets mad about it every time. They can't stop it.
Yeah, they can't stop it. He's going to keep doing it.
Everyone just piles on, and they're like, this is what – like, if you didn't know this was the play – He's going to run power right until your defensive line can step together. No, he's going to run power right until you stop, quote, retweeting it and saying Dave Portnoy is a piece of shit like and then getting your retweets yep so just keep happening all right uh Billy my hot seat is the Jets offensive line uh Makai Becton shattered his right kneecap and is out for the season what sounds painful yeah Billy that's oh it's bad oh no it's bad It's bad.
Zach Wilson getting sacked on four out of five dropbacks in practice right after it happened. Oh, no.
Bad. But Kai Becton had been playing in practice before that.
And last season, you didn't get much playing time due to injuries. So, still positive.
And Zach Wilson, need protection because the guy, because the first round pick has always been injured. It's not a big deal that he got injured again.
Actually. No.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, I actually buy that. You know, you're, you're right.
I am. You're right.
Um, he's, you can't rely on him. So to lose him is not a big deal.
Yeah. So he hasn't, he's, he was really overweight, right? There were eyewitness accounts.
Was it Sasquatch? At practice, who saw him puking after like 11 on 11 drills. Maybe that eyewitness account.
It's your stomach crying though. That's good.
Yeah. So, I mean, who knows? I think maybe this time will do him well, but sure.
And we'll see him this year. The shattered kneecap could be really good for his NFL career is what you're saying.
Cause I was talking to memes about earlier and memes, I think is a, probably the biggest jets fan that we have on this podcast. Right.
I'd say so probably. And he was, he was really not that concerned about McKay.
He was like you know what kind of what you said like he's been injured he's overweight reports were that he might even get cut yeah if he's always injured yeah and he's just injured again no big deal exactly okay and my cool throne is studies because of dan campbell and my other cool throne is jake paul's because he might be fighting Andrew Tate by the end of the year. Whoa.
I think that would actually be a very fun fight to watch. Your two heroes going up against him.
Kickboxing? No, regular boxing. Billy, are you going to be like Brady Quinn's or A.J.
Hawk's sister and wear a split jersey of them? I don't even know. Billy's not going to be able to watch you because it's like...
Or Brady Quinn's sister. I can't watch either one of them.
I'm not an Andrew Tate fan. You guys just put that on me because it's funny.
No, you are. Don't lie, Billy.
Billy, you showed me Andrew Tate for the first time. Yeah, because he's been trending.
He's a top G. Billy likes...
Hank is a bigger top G fan than I am. You like observing Andrew Tate like one would a zoo animal.

Yeah.

Just like study their habits and then maybe also pick up one or two of them.

Yeah.

Ironically, but then it evolves into reality.

He likes to study them and be like, wow.

Okay, Jake.

This crocodile isn't letting the female crocodiles drive a car.

I kind of dig them.

The funniest thing ever, though, is Andrew Tate was talking about how bad women drivers are. And his examples that he was giving are, he's like, I've been in like a dozen car accidents, and they're all with women.
It's like, wait, dude, you've been in 12 car accidents? You have been in 12 car accidents. Yeah.
My hot seat's watching the Philadelphia Phillies. So Keith Hernandez, the broadcaster for the Mets, he said on the Mets broadcast tonight that he asked SNY to not make him call games against the Phillies because he doesn't like watching them play.
Whoa. Talk about an alpha move.
I love Keith Hernandez. Yeah, he's an OG.
Yeah. Could you imagine? One day, if I'm fortunate enough to call the NFL, they assign me commanders, bears, just two teams.
And I'm like, no. Yeah, you should say that.

Two teams you don't like watching play?

Two random games.

Yeah, totally random.

Actually, if you ever are calling NFL games,

you get the commanders and bears,

can you just, before the game, pull the cord on the truck

so we don't have to watch it?

Yeah, actually.

That would be the nice thing.

I'm going to give you U-Haul filled with fertilizer

that you can drive into the stadium beforehand.

Please.

That would be the nice thing to do.

Yeah, no. That would be the nice thing.
I'm going to give you U-Haul filled with fertilizer that you can drive into the stadium beforehand.

Please.

That would be the nice thing to do.

Yeah.

No, I would be fortunate to call any NFL game.

Yeah.

So I would never say no to any.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But say no to that.

Give me 0-16 Browns versus 0-16 Lions.

The two teams on a field together.

Jake, you don't want to do that first.

That would be like a porn star doing anal on their first scene.

Like, where are you going to go? Where are you going to go? And he's a butt guy. Yeah.
Come on. You got to.
Come on. Where are you going to go? I would still enjoy it.
Jake said he would still enjoy anal. An opportunity to get better.
You know what? There is probably like a 0.00001% chance that everybody involved with Thursday Night Football gets COVID during the week that the Bears are playing against the Commanders this year. Yeah.
And they're like, what can we do? Next man up. And I hope they play this clip.
Yeah. And they're like, look how wild this is.
They talked about it before. I'm ready to go.
What a go and then and then you're whoever you're broadcasting with is like so the anal thing is still on the table uh and my cool throne a popular guy on the podcast these days sean mcveigh so after yes we put him on our mount rushmore, no. No.
No, definitely not. Obviously not.
ESPN also did a profile on him. The photo shoot.
I know. It doesn't help.
Yeah. He also, I was reading it.
That was his idea to pose like that. His hands are behind his back.
Yeah. His head.
I was reading the profile, and it was just like, Sean McVay is a psycho. I was like, yep.
don't like how i don't like how he got drunk and decided to trade away jared goff yeah that was my big takeaway from that was not cool he was like i had a bunch of tequila and then came home and i said i got on facetime with the gm and said we need to let our nuts hang let's trade for matthew stafford yeah it's a bad idea they would have won the Super Bowl by more if Jared Goff was their quarterback.

There also was an anecdote in it where he was moving houses.

He was upgrading, and it was basically his life is changing.

He got married.

And I guess his wife didn't want him to move the basketball hoop, the pool hoop, to the new house.

It's like, what's the point of being rich if you can't have a fucking hoop in your pool?

That's fun. Yeah.
So Sean McVay. I don't know.
it's like gordon bombay put the fucking beach ball out on the ice or get a second get a second pool yeah just for like full court yeah pool basketball yeah get a slam ball court too hell yeah why not it's the whole point of it okay good job jake um are you guys ready for jake plumber this was an awesome interview oh I wanted to say one thing before we get to Jake Plummer. Jake texted me after.
So the Umbo company that he owns, the bars, he forgot to mention, he co-owns it with Rashad Evans, former UFC. I think he had a belt.
Yeah, he was a huge UFC guy. So they're doing that together.
Check it out. We should have a shot on sometime.
But Jake Plummer, great interview. Maybe the coolest guy ever.
Coolest guy ever. Great interview.
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This Grit week interview is brought to you by coors light we are i'm we're welcoming on uh the man the myth the legend it is jake the snake plumber we are in i don't even know what is this a mushroom refrigerator i don't know what the technical term is for where we are sitting right now i want to set the stage for the people why they might here's some drilling or something in the background. What's this room called? This is, thanks for, thanks for being here, by the way, in my favorite room, uh, surrounded by the lovely reishi mushroom, which was my favorite.
This is a fruiting room. Basically, we bring them out of the dark room, uh, that, that, you know, is low light, um, constant temperature, kind of cooler.

Just trying to recreate what they would be under the ground in their mycelial network

before they come out.

And then we introduce oxygen and humidity.

And then they come out of the bags.

Once we cut them open, they want oxygen.

So they just come right out.

Yeah, it's beautiful.

Yeah, it is.

You said they're reishi mushrooms.

What are reishi mushrooms?

Reishi are mushrooms considered the mushroom of immortality. That sounds, I'm in.
Yeah. A lot of vitality.
There's a link from heaven to earth. Back in China, they call it Lingzi, and the emperor would actually behead you if he found you going anywhere but to the palace with a reishi on your body.
So they've been used in a lot of spiritual work.

The shamans, a lot of shamans they've found buried

have reishi necklaces or reishi in their tomb

where they've been buried.

So very grounding mushroom.

Very good for you, really.

I should say like a blanket over your central nervous system.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, just a nice calming effect and really one of my favorite mushrooms the one i take every single day it's helped me with uh i don't have really bad allergies anymore so yeah we could go on and on but this is a beautiful fruiting room one of three that we have here at michael love farms so we want to talk about everything jake your football career the mushrooms everything um but we start every interview grit week with a simple question what does the word grit mean to you and you can take it any direction you want it's the worst when you're camping and you get some food you take a bite and you start chewing and there's like somehow some campfire dirt yeah that's great yes that's what i think of immediately it's just something like that Yeah. What about in football terms, grit? Yeah, I mean, grit is just like being kind of tough, nasty, showing up when you need to every time and kind of being coarse and tough and getting after it.
When you have to change, you've got to be able to dig deep. Grit is where you've got to go to.
You've got to go down and get that dirt. Yeah, yeah.
That's a good answer. Is there somebody that you played with in the course of your career that you would say like that's the grittiest dude oh man there there were so many i mean just guys that you could count on tough dudes that got it done mike anderson was a guy i played with yeah uh a running back fullback i mean just tough big really yeah just solid uh ex-marine so he was like he could go where he needed to go to get it.

Yeah.

When you needed it.

You know, like, hey, it's fourth and one.

We need this.

I'm going to give it to Mike Anderson.

Yeah.

And Ruben Drones.

Those are two running backs to play with.

And Larry Sinners.

I mean, I could go on and on.

Yeah.

Grit goes in a lot of different depths with certain players.

But when I think grit, too, I think kind of like –

kind of like a – not dirty in a bad way,

but then dirty and just like a guy that doesn't mind bloody dirt getting after it.

Get that extra yard.

Got this dog in him.

Nasty.

Yes.

Yeah.

So, I mean, your career is fascinating.

I want to start at the end, actually, because I was reading a story,

the Sports Illustrated story that you had out, I don't know,

like seven or eight years ago, talking about your retirement,

and you left on the table. John Gruden flew to you trying to get you.
You got traded to the Buccaneers. You were going to make $5 million, $6 million a year.
And John Gruden flies to Idaho to have a meeting with you and your wife to try to convince you to play football. And you're like, no, I'm done.
I don't really want to play anymore. And guys look at that, they're like, what is this guy doing? Like he's 32.
It's a dream job for a lot of people. But you always seem to march to a different, the beat of your own drum.
What went through your mind when you were processing? Do I want to move to Tampa Bay? Do I want to keep this career going? Or I'm ready to walk away? Yeah. I mean, interesting lead up to that.
And in 2005, we had our best season, my best season ever in the NFL. And we lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers and the AFC championship game.
I had plans to go to the Superbowl that year, to be the MVP, to hold the trophy and on the stage, turn to everybody and say, Hey, it's been a great ride. Peace out.
Oh shit. I wanted, I wanted a ring.
I mean, that's what I was going for. I wanted to win a Super Bowl.
I didn't want a ring. I mean, I wanted to win the Super Bowl.
Right. Five-year-old, six-year-old, that was my dream.
So if I was going to do that, then I would be ready to be, that dream, done. Check that off.
Let's go. It didn't happen.
So I came back that 10th season. Kubiak left.
It wasn't the most smooth coming into the season. There was some miscommunication between me and Mike Shanahan.
And then I was made an example of being not committed to the team. And if you recall, that's when we had drafted Jay Cutler in the offseason.
So the crack had been formed right there of like, okay, my team knew I was committed. My coach told me you should go there more often.
You look great in practice. So I took some time off, get ready for my 10th season, you know, and it didn't go so well.
I ended up getting benched for Jay. Jay came in and played as a rookie.
It was hard at first, but then I kind of realized like, this is my, this is my time to enjoy this, enjoy these last five, six games, ride this out and then be ready to retire. And no one knew i'd already made my mind up during the season and then new year's eve when when we you know we had the awful thing happened to darren williams yeah that was kind of a real solid like yeah it's out get out here i'm done and that's crazy so they traded you to the bucks and so john gruden could have come and said anything and you would have yeah i was done i was at the time with my fiance we were getting married that summer i was ready to start traveling i was just done you can't really take a break like right you can't you can you could take a break and then retire and then come back but i always thought that was kind of foolish like why couldn't i have just said hey let me go i'm gonna take a year maybe two years off and come back and play for kubiak down in down in houston right so but that doesn't happen right you can't break that that you know continuation of the game yeah and uh i was ready to go and retirement they had no chance yeah they were sparking up the wrong tree at that moment so they traded for you and you're like no i already told you i wasn't going to play did he try to convince you you? Oh, yeah.
They pulled out all the stops. It was like a recruiting trip again.
They came up. They were talking about donating millions of dollars to my foundation and everything I could imagine, anything I wanted.
And I just told them, I'm not going to play. I'm done.
In my heart, I was done. It was time to move on.
My body was beat up. I was not in good shape physically.
And mentally also was pretty much you know that that whole limelight and being i had social anxiety i couldn't go out very many places without like oh great someone's looked at my looked at me here goes there goes the rest of my night right right i can't hang out with my with with tony or any of these guys on the team with any of my buddies because now there's 15 guys coming over and infiltrating coming to talk to me and my buddies all take off and it's like damn you know so it wore on me a little bit like just the being in social settings I respect the clarity though to to know for a fact because a lot of guys I think they don't know when they want to retire yeah it's always up in the air but it seems like you had you know you were crystal clear you knew what you wanted and you just did it that's I think Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, it was just something in my heart I felt was right, and I've always kind of gone on what I feel.
You know, as an 18-year-old going to ASU, how did I know? I just felt like it was a good place to go. Like, never heard of ASU much.
The coach said, if you come here, I've got the pieces in place to win a national championship. The only coach that told me that was Bruce Snyder.
I mean, in my gut, if he's telling me that, I want to see if he's right. But my gut also told me, go down here and make a name for yourself.
Do something special somewhere where it hadn't been done in a long time. Yeah, so the drilling, by the way, like we said, we are in, this is the coolest backdrop we've ever had.
So if you hear the drilling, it's worth it because you should watch on the YouTube. But PFT is right.
Like a lot of guys, the saying goes, like, the game retires you. You don't retire from the game.
I love the story, though, that your retirement press conference, you did it at the Denver Athletic Club. You gave your speech.
You didn't let anyone ask any questions. Then you walked down the hallway and played handball with your brother.
Is that exactly how it went? Basically. I mean, that's one of the coolest ways to retire.
Yeah, you know, I didn't want to make a big scene. I just wanted to go about the rest of my life and get moving on it.
The only thing I didn't do was wear my handball gloves and my goggles when I think back. But I was, like, going straight in to get warmed up and go play.
You know, it was just a time to move into a new phase. For 10 years, I'd played at the highest level.
For four years prior to I played at the second you know in the pack 10 and then you know since I was 12 years old was playing football so it took up a lot a lot of my life yeah and I was missing out on things my cousins would get married or someone would get married in August and I had I'm the only guy not there so it was pulling me to be with my family it was pulling me to to go explore the world to go travel because i really didn't couldn't cut loose when i was playing i felt like singular focus yeah but once that was over and i wanted to get married have some kids and i had life to go live yeah football it's always going to be with me yeah ever uh but but for me there's so much more in life to go experience and do you mentioned um the pack 10 and and playing for national championship. It was a funny moment on the bus because PFT and I are both 37.
So I remember watching that Rose Bowl. Some guys on the bus are a little younger.
And I said out loud, I was like, he was 100 seconds away from a national title. Everyone's like, wait, what? And it's like something that you were that close.
The Rose Bowl, if you don't remember, Jake Palmer had a 11-yard touchdown run with like a minute and a half left to put Arizona State up four over Ohio State. They would have been the only undefeated team that year because Florida had lost.
And you were that close. Is that, I mean, like after that moment, after that run, were you like, this is it, we got it, we got it.
No, I was never. Really? I was never.
I knew what game was like. I've been in too many games where you, oh, yeah, we got it.
But the whole sideline, people were celebrating, screaming national champs. And you don't see it, but you can see me on the bench standing up.
I stood up on the bench because I was telling my teammates, like, get the fuck away from me. Get out of here.
This game ain't over. Look at the clock.
Are you kidding me? Stop saying we're national champs. It started pissing me off because it happened a couple other times against U of A at home.
Some alumni came behind the bench. We're beating them.
There's seven minutes left. What happens? They're like, a couple of the alumni, there's no better feeling than beating the U of A at home.
I turned. I said, hey, I told them to get off the field.
I said, get out of here. Yeah.
Bring that bullshit down here. My teammates, I was like, come on.
But sure enough, the crack had happened. You let that down.
So I never, I didn't stop. If you remember the tail end of that game, Lindsey Jackson caught a dig route, and I was screaming timeout.
And by the time he hit the ground, it was zero, zero. The clock hit zero.
But we were at about the 33-yard line. We could have tried a field goal to tie it.
Yeah, which would have been incredible because I think you got the ball back for 19 seconds. Yeah, neither team wanted to stop playing that.
That was a phenomenal game. Beautiful day.
Real mystical. There's nothing better than the Rose Bowl.
And just to be that close, I mean, you know, obviously it was a different era where the national championship, that's the other part of it, the national championship was decided by voters, where it's like you don't even – there's a world where you could win that game and they wouldn't even vote you for – there would have probably been writers that voted for Florida. When we lost, I know Florida State, a couple of the guys, I met them down at some events, and they kind of pissed me off because they were like, hey, man, thanks for losing that game.
Yeah. What? Because right before they were going to play Florida State – Yeah, Florida.
Florida, yeah. Florida saw that if they win, they're like hey man thanks for losing that game yeah what because right before they were going to play florida state or yeah florida yeah i want to play florida state florida saw that they if they win their national champs yeah right then if we beat florida state we're national champs yeah had we won there would have been a big dispute yeah we were outright if you're 12 and 0 you're national yeah you should be if you're the only undefeated team you know i trusted my instinct i got from being a young kid at capital high school in boise idaho to follow a coach that gave me the confidence confidence that i needed and we we almost won a national title yeah i believe that with the people around me if i set my mind to something and they believe too we all like push for the same thing that anything is possible yeah i'm now taking that into my real life where okay what do we want to do here do we want to make millions of dollars selling mushrooms no not bit.
Do I want to bring this to people's attention and let them know there might be a better way to approach your health and wellness? Yes, and I'm lining up with hundreds of other people that feel the same exact way, which means something big, something good is going to be around the corner. Yeah, goodness, all goodness.
It's great, yeah. I do want to talk a lot about the mushrooms in a little bit, but as far as the football stuff goes, so you're the big man on campus at ASU.
You are, like, the guy there. And then you get drafted to Arizona.
Was there a part of you that was like, I would like to maybe get outside of this area, maybe not play in the same stadium? There's a lot of pressure that goes along that, you know, like people that used to come watch you in college,

they're asking for tickets, that sort of thing.

Like, were you excited to play for Arizona

or did you want to go somewhere else?

To be honest, I wanted to go somewhere else.

Yeah, I was ready to just experience a new city

and maybe something bigger than Boise and then Tempe.

Yeah, I mean, something a little bit more, you know,

a little more like a Chicago or New York or a big city, you know? a big, big city. I'd never lived in anything like that, and I thought it would have been fun to get drafted.
But I also was looking for teams that I think, you know, I wanted to win a Super Bowl. That's really what I wanted to do.
And it didn't become a part of, like, an actuality or an actual possibility until after my senior year. Then I let that come in.
But prior to to my senior year I wasn't going to ball that year to try to get in the league yeah I had no concerns about the league that didn't even matter to me what mattered was winning a national title so I looked up before we do interviews I try to look up like what I've written about someone and I had uh I said Jake Plummer is the greatest naked bootleg uh quarterback of all time when you ran that play, when you ran play action and you're out there, were you like, because I feel like your game, you loved throwing on the run. Did it feel like, hey, let me get out in space? I just have memories of like Broncos, Cardinals, even Arizona State, where it's like you would get out there and it's like, uh-oh, this is over.
Like Jake Plummer's got his space. Well, thank you for that.
I love doing that. I really can't be called the best because I never actually did it fully naked.
Yeah. So I've been able to actually really fully.
We have a football if you want to try. I might have to get that done here in the next little bit and get it on film somehow and say now I am definitely the best naked bootleg quarterback.
it before it became um something we really did very well here in denver which obviously we had a great running game we had linemen that were sacrificing their bodies moving that stretch zone run west coast style you know that that boot was just dangerous and what kubiak did was he rolled me to my left because not a lot of quarterbacks could throw rolling to their left. I actually felt like I could throw better rolling to my left.
I felt like I could create more torque, more velocity. But see, this all started on the playground.
Yeah. It wasn't, okay, we're running stretch boot left.
It was, I'm not going to let you catch me. You're catching me.
You're fast. I better learn how to throw on the run running really fast.
So that's how I learned how to do it, and then it just became an art form after that. It was an art form.
I loved watching you do that. Like that was the play.
It was, I mean, anything could happen. And it was a lot of fun to get out in space because then you could throw it or you could run.
And you could use your eyes really good too. I could be looking back here knowing that Rod's running a 20-yard comeback.
And if I keep my eyes in here, all I got to do is go like that on the run. And it's nothing.
It's a simple completion.

And then if there's nothing there, you can tuck it and run.

Yeah.

Yeah, I missed that part probably more than anything,

rolling to my left, trying to thread one between a couple linebackers.

It was beautiful.

I love to hear that.

Because they're running full speed,

and they're not thinking the ball is going to rip right past their helmet

to a guy right behind them.

And the beauty of Mahomes, I think that's really a beauty of his

is he throws the ball from all different angles.

Yeah. That makes me very happy that if you had one thing you miss about football it's like running the bootleg.
That was so great. Does time slow down for you when you're on the run and you're about to throw? Not really.
Everything's moving. It's neat though because I'm moving this way and they're all coming with me.
People think, how do you do well you're just throwing at a stationary target yeah both running at the same speed i'm throwing it he's stationary to me if i same as if we stopped right you know it's different when you're stopping they're running this way you got to lead them you got to anticipate when you're running on the boot you're on the same same parallel you're just so that was fun it was when i scramble that was when there would be some panic yeah fear yeah oh shit where's anybody coming from because you might think you're good and all of a sudden palomalu comes flying out from behind somebody and drills you i always think that uh you you looked even a lot cooler when you started to do the bootleg once you grew your hair up a little bit like that that added an extra element to it was a flying out yeah it was like there's a wild man out in space. Yeah, that's true.
Good point there. I did that.
You know, that was a year after when Pat got killed. Everybody just was so struck by him and his genuineness as far as like his patriotism and going to fight for our country.
But really before that, he was such a unique individual that imprinted, left a huge imprint on all of us, teammates, friends. So I just started growing my hair out, and I had my beard going.
And I saw his widow, Marie, and she's like, wow. And she was touching my face like, you kind of resemble Pat just because of the beard.
So I was like, God, I can bring her some comfort, give her a hug. And then I just started doing it.
And then people wanted to talk shit about it. I just said,'m doing it for pat and then they'd stop that's why i grow mine out too is for pat so a lot of people talk about pat and when they talk about him a lot of focus i think deservedly so is paid to you know his final acts and and his military service but you knew him you were great friends with him for years before that what was he like as a person as a friend he's one of he's you said it right there a friend I mean he really was you say you have friends and you guys know probably who your your friends are really when times matter and something happens you get phone calls or you get someone stopped by those are your friends and Pat was like that to so many people he really had a real special way of connecting with people, anybody.
I mean, you go on ASU's campus, you could find 10, 15 people that would be obscure on the back walls, janitors, whatever you say, just in the shadows, that probably knew Pat at a deep level because he just was intrigued with humans. And when he would sit down with you, he was genuine and authentic and extremely knowledgeable very well could think for himself never was thought for and uh yeah it was a great friend he called me before he left for his last deployment to check on me after i'd gone through a pretty monumental change almost got married it didn't work out he was calling to check on me to see how i was doing when i mean a real friend would have been calling him or going to see him right Damn, I might not see you again, right? You're going to war, really.
You're not just going to check on me to see how I was doing when a real friend would have been calling him or going to see him. Right.
And I might not see you again. Right.
You're going to war. Really.
You're not just going to play the Buccaneers. Right.
You're actually going to war. Did you, did he talk to you at all before he made the decision to leave the NFL? No.
And so, so were you shocked at all? Were you like, no, that's Pat. No, I had some insight from my, a teammate of mine that his brother uh and pat had talked his brother had been in special special forces and uh special ops and so he talked with him and so before the decision was made uh this coach at the time came and said you need to talk to pat he's about to do something you know kind of crazy i was like well yeah that's pat tell me what's up he's like well he's thinking about going into basic training and becoming a ranger i was like okay i mean what do you want me to do right i'm not gonna stop him he's gonna do it he's gonna do it i mean if his fiancee marie his wife before you know hadn't gotten married if she can't i think they just got married she can't tell him to stop him and what am i gonna do so just what said i i prayed for him and wished him my you know him and wished him the best I could to go over there and come back safe.
Sad that he didn't come back. He's left a huge impression on so many people and definitely inspired a lot of humans.
I try to not talk too much about Pat because I feel like he lived his life at such a high level. for me to talk for him i'm trying to raise my game so i can actually be at that similar level you could never be at a level of someone like him but in my own way to try to be authentic and genuine and real carry on his tradition that way not by like trying to hike every 14 or in the world yeah but that's that's cool i respect that because there's you know when you have a hero and everyone's talking about it there's times when it feels like certain people are trying to almost take advantage of their legacy and like step in for their legacy and like that's a true friend to be like yeah he was one of my great friends when our past president's trying to use him in some way or shape or form it's like oh yeah then i might have really loved Trump.
I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
You can't speak for him. That was so wild.
You never know. He might have had some respect in some way for him, maybe not his ideals and his way about things, but just his, I think Pat would have weirdly enough respected Trump for the fact that he didn't really, he did what he wanted to do.
Right, right. You know, like in life, what do you do? Oh, I'm not going to go do that because you don't want me to.
That's a life of misery. Yeah.
Yeah. Even though I'm not a fan of our past president, but you know, who knows what Pat would have thought, but yeah, I just think for yourself, you know, move and do the things you want to do.
Um, I also know Pat on the, on the other side of like, not this hero, but down, down a dirty life, you Right, your teammate, your friend. It gave me much more of an appreciation for these soldiers that sacrificed their lives, that sacrificed their livelihoods to go fight for the freedom for our country.
And then when you see the pictures of these dead soldiers in the paper, it just resonated more of like, that's somebody else's best friend. That's someone's son.
That's some other badass dude that wasn't a football player but is still making the world a better place so pat used his stage and now his he's a he's a legend yeah to have been tight friends with a legend like you know that's amazing yeah i'm i'm blessed i miss him but i'm gonna try to you know one of these days i might see him if i eat enough mushrooms a lot these ones these are non-psychedelics yeah. Let's talk about some of the mushroom stuff, though, because that's a good segue.

I was actually thinking, I was like,

how are we going to segue out of this?

You did it for us.

Actually, my other segue was

going to be, remember that time you flipped off the

Broncos fans? What happened there?

I had a funny letter. I just got

a letter from a lady who was like,

sent that little clip and then told me a whole story of how I did all these bad things to her in 1991 in Tempe. And I'm like, that's weird.
I didn't get to Tempe till 93. So I got this letter from some lady who has assumed that this person that did all these wrong things to her was me.
But not me. That's crazy.
Yeah, the finger, I mean, I feel like I like those moments because I always think like we put athletes in a in a spot that they like they're humans they have a bad day at work human emotions happen like there we you know i don't you probably don't follow like baseball very closely but there was a phillies player this year who the fans were booing him he's like you could see him whispering i fucking hate this place and then afterwards they interviewed him he's like yeah i said it like i was having a really bad day and it sucked and like i was pissed off that i was had a bad day and so like those moments flicking people off i i don't know i respect it they just put some weird uh pressure on athletes like we were supposed to be happy and perfect all the time right if anything it just shows that we're going through it too you know i'm feeling it but if you step up for what you do and you say you know i i got caught in the moment and didn't do that right that was the wrong reaction hopefully i don't do it again they train us though to react they don't really train us how to deal with that kind of stuff so when you are in the moment and you're you're in it you might not think oh wait this might hurt my sponsorship deal with Xfinity. Like, no, you're like, yo, you're saying some raunchy stuff.
How come you're saying this raunchy stuff and wearing Broncos attire? I got something for you. I'm going to fix my hat.
It was very subtle. It was smooth.
It just happened that the camera was right on me. So, yeah, you know, I slipped up.
But they don't train us for that. And then you get done with the game they're not helping you decompress from that um that kind of masculine like react i'm gonna kick your ass you mess with me you mess with us you know that that's like we're programmed to react and not necessarily think and and take a few minutes to think something through right yeah so right what was that like because i think you're 100 right that if you if you play professional sports especially in the nfl like there's so much aggression every day you you live in a sink or swim world if it's against your opponent or if it's somebody that is coming up behind you that might take your job you have to be aggressive you have to be violent all the time and violence gets rewarded but then after you leave what was that process like for you like you said decompressing but leaving that environment where it's competitive all the time.
And now it's just like, okay, blank slate, go do what you want to do. Yeah.
You know, handball was a big part of that. It was something active that I could go do and I could hang out with the guys.
We could sit around, you know, at the club and the place where I played in Sandpoint, we could have a few cold ones afterwards, which was really nice. So I didn't miss that camaraderie.
And I think a lot of guys, they just don't fill that void with anything except football again. And sometimes that just keeps igniting the beast, especially if you didn't walk away from the game.
Like I took off. I ran away, actually.
I was healthy enough to run away from the game. To choose to not play is very rare in the NFL when there's people that would do anything to play uh so a lot of times they're dealing with that like being told i don't like you anymore you're no good right there's someone better even though he's not we're going to tell you who he is and make you feel like you're no good anymore so guys some guys go and they take care of that post-career and they work through that and they you know get counseling and they go through a lot of them get are bankrupt get divorced uh and fall into you know hopefully not fall into anything bad or some addictions because what do you what do you feel that void with and so for me i i filled it with handball i moved up to sand point i did coach high school football and that was a beautiful thing to see you know little billy with his chin strap tightened and i'm like I'm like, you're a ninth grader.
You're not even going to see the field. But he was right there ready.
You know, it brought back that love of the game. These kids played it because they weren't going to college.
They played it because they wanted to go hit somebody and get out some aggression and be playing under the lights on Friday night. You know, that's a good feeling.
So it brought that love back to me, that feeling of why I played football. Um, you know, I traveled a lot and I, you know, but I didn't do any spiritual work.
I didn't do any real deep dives. I didn't do anything that I, if I, if I had a recipe for that, I would go back and do all that so that I would have found my path a lot sooner instead of, you know, down the road, I'm on a great path now, but it took, took some tough times.
Yes. So handball, how did you get into handball? Because I remember even when you were playing football,

I knew Jake Plummer, also outstanding handball player.

Yeah, it was a game my dad played.

He was an Idaho State champ and a Washington State champ

back in the day in the Opens.

And so he played it where he worked.

They had a handball court, and he picked it up by some friends.

And then he taught all of us. I mean, I was a baby crawling around onto the court chasing the ball when he was playing in tournaments.
And so my brothers both played, and naturally I played. And it was off-season, kind of like we'd see my dad.
We'd try to play some handball together. And I played in tournaments when I was 12, 13, 14.
It was a mental mess because it's a hard, hard game. But then as I progressed through high school, I didn't play a lot.
College, very little at all. And then when I got into the pros, I got reintroduced to the game a little bit as an off-season conditioning.
And just really the lateral movement, the spatial awareness, the mental toughness, hand-eye coordination, and you have to use your left side so it brings back balance to your body. you know it became a really good way for me to go out and kind of do something in the off season

instead of golf every day and go work out in the weight room and then go run on a field when it's 110 out. I got sick of that stuff.
So handball was a chance for me to cross-train. Yeah.
I mean, when I first read the story, like, oh, Jake Plummer's like a really good handball player. And I think you were trying to go like pro, right? No, no.
There was a moment that you were – They were using me for – Oh, okay. You know, the game was using my – But it helps.
The game, yeah. I got to play with some pros, but no.
When I play a pro and they would go three quarters, they'd beat me 21 to one if I happened to maybe get a serve and get a point on them. They're good.
It's like a pro golfer. Yeah.
Yeah, you can golf and shoot in the 80s, and you go with a golfer and you're like, holy shit, these guys are good. Different level.
So, no, I never was trying to be a pro. I just was out trying to get some light shed on a great game for these kids that are singularly focused on one sport, and maybe they're already specializing at age 14.
I'm like, God, come play handball. So I taught a lot of kids how to play handball, and they might not play again until they're in college.
So I got got when I read the story because it was the story, like he's trying to become a professional handball. I mean, it was good for handball because I didn't even know.
I always think handball, like there's the Olympic sport where they're running around and throwing it. Then there's also just like the guys who play just, it's almost like squash, just one wall.
Your handball is all four walls, right? Well, there's four wall, there's three wall, and there's one wall. So you would play four wall, right? Yeah, I just played in a three-wall tourney this weekend.
So four wall, you could just hit it off any, like I... Yeah, I mean, it's the same rules as racquetball.
Pretend I'm five, yeah. Same rules as racquetball.
You got to let it bounce once, and when you hit it, it has, whatever it does, it has to hit the front wall. Okay, so you can hit the back wall and then go to the front wall.
Yeah. And there's other little intricacies involved in that.
Like sometimes you can't hit four walls at once on a serve. But it's basically just like back in grade school when you'd have a ball and a wall and a buddy.
That sounds awesome. Yeah, that sounds awesome.
I really want to play. They're going to throw in some beer.
And guys are like, I mean, the crew I was with this weekend, it was like 95 degrees out. All they did was play handball and drink beer all day long.
That's awesome. So it's racquetball but no racket, just your hand.
Yeah, you use both hands. Yeah.
It sounds so cool. It's a lot of fun.
It's a tough sport. It's definitely like racquetball is appealing to everybody, but handball definitely is only appealing to those that kind of like to get after it.
Yeah. That grit.
I'm in. I'm in 100%.
Yeah. so now you've transitioned into into are you a mushroom farmer how should we describe what you did here I'm just a I'm a micro lover okay and I just love mushrooms um before the pandemic a good buddy of mine Del Jolly who I had worked with at Charlotte's Web if you recall Charlotte's Web was the hemp oil company that Charlotte Fiji was a little girl who had Dervais syndrome, and she was not doing well with seizures.
Her mother and her father fought hard to find the medicine and get it to her. Even though they were breaking the law federally, they still administered it to her.
And the Stanley brothers went and found a bunch of hemp out in Kansas along the ditch banks and started extracting it and giving it to them and made a really highly potent, very, very worthwhile beneficial oil. And so we did the work there already on a plant that was highly misunderstood and not many people knew the difference between THC and CBD or hemp, I should say.
Real similar minus the high. Psychotropic high you get from smoking marijuana or THC, but hemp has tons of benefits together at the right levels, a very potent medicine.
Yeah, so the mushroom farming. So let's first say the website so everyone can go check it out.
Yeah, we're sitting here at MycoLoveFarm, which is mycolove.farm. Yeah, M-Y-C-O-love.com.
Yes, so Myco means mushroom, and then my Colorado, since it's local, and you got C-O can stand for a lot of stuff. So mycolove.farm is where we're at now, where we are growing medicinal functional mushrooms, turkey tail, lion's mane, reishi, and cordyceps.
These are new to a lot of the population here in the states in western medicine but they're long long-standing remedies and you know cures for a lot of stuff back east and in in china and asia they've been using you know these beautiful fungi forever it's an entire So when you, we say queendom,

but they have their own kingdom.

Are they female?

Fungi.

Yeah. They're just,

they're the mamas of everything.

Yeah.

Cool.

So,

so what does it do?

Like what is the,

the mushroom it's extract,

right?

It's oil that you're selling.

Yeah.

It's a,

it's a dual extract alcohol water.

Yeah.

So what does it do?

Like what,

what are the benefits?

Like what if,

you know,

I'm very interested in this.

Yeah.

The fungal kingdom is, you know, they say anywhere from 2.2 million to 3.8 million of any sort of fungus around the world. We've only discovered and identified of fruiting bodies about 100 plus thousand.
So we're just scratching the surface on what could be out there in the world. And if you believe that earth provides everything for us humans to balance everything out i believe that the fungal kingdom has everything we need in it to to balance out any of the ailments or disease disease that we have here in in our country and in the world so when you're working with these mushrooms you know they all do different things but they all basically do the same thing you know they're here to help us.
So reishi is one that helps with anxiety, the nervous system. It's the mushroom of longevity.
There's the mushroom of immortality. It helps with longevity, vitality, all sorts of stuff.
And so in the world, we're under stress constantly. These lights right now are sending stress to us.
So if you can protect yourself and put just something in your body that's a preventative form of of maintenance

just like you put oil in your car and you put high lead high leaded gas in your car because you want

that thing to run well we should do the same to our body and that's why i take reishi every day

yeah i i was watching this documentary a couple months ago about mushrooms and i didn't realize

how complex the network of mushrooms on earth are so they were making the the statement that like

Thank you. documentary a couple months ago about mushrooms and i didn't realize how complex the network of mushrooms on earth are so they were making the the statement that like mushrooms act as the earth's central nervous system almost where they pick up and changes in uh in the climate and the temperature and a lot you know the soil all sorts of things and then they actually communicate with other mushrooms through this complex like nerve network underground is that is.
Am I describing it correctly? Because it blew my mind when I first heard about it. The mycelial network underneath the ground.
And then the mycorrhizal network that goes into the roots of all plants. All living plants have a little thread, single cell hyphae of mycelium going up inside of them that communicates with the mother.
It's one whole thing. And that's why it's beautiful because these grow in nature, but we're able to do the same thing, replicate with an oak and soy holes combined together with some water to make a substrate that's basically like making a tree that would have fallen in the forest, and then they come and decompose.
They're the main, they're the big decomposers of everything that dies. Yeah.
They breathe in oxygen and breathe out CO2. They don't photosynthesize the sun and they eat dead things.
So there's a few similarities to humans also. Yeah.
But they're very bioavailable. Lion's mane is great for your brain, for neuronal growth, basically for all, all neurons in your.
Lion's Mane is one that we're going to have a lot of research done here soon that's going to show that it's something that everybody should have in their daily regimen. It enhances your dream state too, so you're dreaming pretty amazing dreams.
Not like crazy, wacky, psychedelic type, but just like a dream like this. I'm in a room with mushrooms and a bunch of guys filming me and like, I'm here and I'm in it and I'm feeling like I'm there being interviewed.
No, I'm literally feeling like I'm in a dream right now. Yeah.
This is definitely a dream sequence. Sometimes I feel the same way.
We're on Grit Week. I'm about to wake up.
There's going to be millions of people maybe that listen to this. We've already done this interview.
I'm about to wake up because we took some Lion's Mane with us us and so this is actually wednesday already we got to talk about the show this is a dream yeah it's a great dream though yeah no i've returned on the right road yes to get here yeah just controlling you yes got you here so we're all fuck now i'm kind of fucked up i'm not gonna lie i'm actually along those same lines like let's get into a little bit because Do you feel at all like you were destined to have this life that you've had? Because I read a little bit about you growing up, and you were given the nickname Jake. Your name's not actually Jake, which is weird, but you were given the name, and you loved Jake.
Who was it? Jake the Snake. It was Ken Stabler.
Ken Stabler gave it to Jake the Snake, Jake the Snake, to this Jake the Snake. So modeling, ever since you were a kid, you looked up to Ken Stabler.
You were an outstanding quarterback all the way through high school. Go to Arizona State.
It feels like you've had a perfect line from when you were a kid to what your career has been and where you're at right now. Do you feel like you were ever destined to do that? I've taken my taken my hand off the wheel really just to see where it goes um as i was saying with the work with with cbd it it showed me the power that not power not in a bad way but the influence and power we have as athletes if we stand in our truth in our and really stand with our heart open and communicate to people we can help change the way they approach their health and

wellness and how their lives are. So through the Charlotte's web, we affected a lot of people.
We

affected a lot of people in a positive way. So I felt like, wow, what a gift, you know,

how do I do that now and actually do that in my own life? Like I'm doing this, but I'm still

struggling with things. I'm still trying to find my path.
So hands off the wheel, the pandemic hits

and then mushrooms come into the picture by my buddy, Dale Jolly, who kind of showed me like,

Thank you. struggling with things.
I'm still trying to find my path. So hands off the wheel, the pandemic hits and then mushrooms come into the picture by my buddy, Dale Jolly, who kind of showed me like, Hey, this is nature.
And I've always been about nature. And I grew up in sawtooth mountains as a young kid.
We've always been backpacking and I find my peace of mind when I'm sitting by a stream or in trees or out in the mountains, in the woods or around living, growing things. and so this just came around as another opportunity to take a misunderstood kingdom and educate people on the difference between psilocybin and lion's mane lion's mane does almost the same thing psilocybin does there's some research that shows this that it does most of the same stuff clarity wise focus your senses but without psychotropic high.
So it's like these things are so diverse. I can't tell you anything other than what I know and have experienced.
And I know a lot more than you guys, but I know about that much compared to Paul Stamets or Robert Rogers, who've been doing this for 30-plus years. They are mushrooms themselves.
They're walking around. They're mushrooms.
They're spreading the spores the spores so i've been you know the path that i've gotten to no way did i ever expect to be farming mushrooms in fort lupton and extracting them and then also working with umbo another uh get umbo.com you can go there to check out our bars that have two and a half grams of mushrooms in them to try to introduce them to people because most people like oh i don't like mushrooms. They're gross.
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Now we're introducing another something that we've, we've eliminated from our complete diets for hundreds of years. When we evolved, we ate mushrooms.
It's a no-brainer that that's one of the food sources we had wherever you went. Come with me to the mountains, and we'll go find some chanterelles.
There's food being grown by Pachamama, by Mother Earth for us. This is just remembering old knowledge.
So it's fun to be, again, taking something misunderstood and bringing it out to the people to make them kind of scratch their head and go, what the hell? And then they're, Oh, Jake, Jake, Jake, he's not a wacko. He knows his stuff.
I respect him from his days. You know how he left the game.
I'm going to check this out. So it's an intense and intensely, like I'm, I'm very humbled by the ability to bring this to people because I've already felt and had many people's lives change already just by being able to get a better night's sleep yeah yeah damn i'm sleeping again yeah really sleeping i'm like yeah what else has happened like i'm up early now i'm jogging now man i'm being my wife are smiling at each other like things can change but you just have to be ready to you have to be open to it and i don't want to force it on anybody i'm'm just here to go, hey, this is me.
This is what I'm doing.

Check it out. We should say now specifically maybe just for Billy,

but for anybody out there that might be like Billy,

that doesn't mean that go into the woods and just find a mushroom and eat it.

No, no, no.

You want to make that part better.

That is a good point.

Yeah, they're so diverse.

I mean, there's some that look exactly the same,

but you have to do a spore print to know if you can eat one or the other.

Yeah.

What's that like? Yeah, you take the cap of the mushroom off and set it on a piece of paper and then put a cup over it. You can do white paper or black paper, depending, because some spores, as you look around, there's a few spots where they're dark or they're light.
So, yeah, and then it just leaves, every mushroom has its own print. Okay.
Wow. Every human has our own fingerprint.
It's like a snowflake. It's kind of funny.

There's another similarity.

I think you're humans. I think you've successfully

convinced me that we're related to

mushrooms. I hope I can turn into one.

Listen, all I'm going to say is

you're going to eat one like Mario

and grow up to be seven feet tall.

I'm back every year in the forest. My kids can come

find me and eat me. I'm like, there's dad.

I mean, just

based off vibe checks, I would say

you got to check this stuff

I'll see you got to check this stuff out because your aura or vibe is just a very relaxed, assured person who's just like, this is my life. And like I said, the fact that you walked away from the game when you could have played and made millions more, it's also, you're kind of a trailblazer because it's happening now.
Like guys are doing it now, but when it happened with you, it was like, what the hell's wrong with this guy? Yeah, thanks for noticing that and saying that. That's very nice.
And, you know, I never had a plan in place. I didn't plan to go to ASU and stand up after the season and call out the entire team as a 170-pound freshman saying, we can play better, and these seniors, they need us right now.
I didn't have that plan. It just happened.
So this is just another thing that's just come my way. I'm not a mycologist.
I can't tell you everything about these things, but I got people surrounding me just like a great team like I did when I played ball. I could do what I could do, but i needed a good right tackle i needed a good punter i needed somebody that would come and clean the locker room so after we made a mess you know so we could come back and have fresh clear mind so i'm building the team and i'm not necessarily the quarterback but i'm just a part of it that's helping drive this thing yeah if i can be authentic and genuine in how i approach this then i believe that we're just going to help help people become a little aware of a different way to look at life.
Yeah. Sick and tired of being sick and tired.
Yes. Check it out.
Check out gethumble.com and michaelloved.farm. Yeah.
And if it doesn't work, hey, yeah, whatever. Yeah.
It's interesting because I think Big Cat's, he's right. If you talk to any of your former teammates, they all love you.
Yeah. You've got a good relationship with them.
I'm curious to know, like when you got, when you got to the league and it looks like you're probably going to be starting and you get into that first game, it's your first time in the huddle. Did you, I know that you didn't have anything planned out because you're not a planned out guy.
Like you said, it's just like, like hands off the wheel, right? But do you remember what you said to the guys for that first time? Because making that first first impression i would have to imagine at that level in the huddle with another group of professionals is like that can be you know not a make or break moment but that can have a pretty big impact on which direction things are going to go so oh yeah remember what you said yeah that's why i'm smiling i know exactly right we were in philly playing the old veteran stadium and so kent graham hurt that week prior, so Stoney K started, and I was his backup. It was week seven or eight, I think.
I was like, man, I'm a play away from getting in this game. Holy smoke.
Going into halftime, we were struggling. Coach says, hey, we're giving you the reins.
Sure enough, the ball gets punted down, down on the two line in the bowl in the bowl part of this a veteran stadium that was a whole circle yeah so we're right down i mean it's it's they're getting after it i love i love philly fans they say the nastiest craziest stuff then after the game they want to be your best friend and have you sign some stuff or whatever but they're in it so and the cheesesteak sandwiches too yes so i go into the huddle and i know exactly what i said you know i mean i was i was ready for this this was my chance to come out on the field and we're on the two yard line what else do you say i walked in got into the huddle and i said we're gonna take this motherfucker 98 yards who's with me and they just like yeah that's all i let's go. And meanwhile, I'm looking over at Larry Sinners because it's a TV timeout,

and he kept looking at me like this.

He's pulling his eyelid down.

I'm like, you got something in your eye?

He's like, no.

Eye of the tiger, baby.

Eye of the tiger.

And then did you, what was the result? You went 98?

We went 98 and scored, yeah.

I was going to say that would suck if you threw an interception.

I came in and like, you know, yeah, these guys were needing some juice. So I just clueless came in and said, let's go.
We threw like eight slant routes. That's all we threw.
Slant, slant, and if it wasn't there. But we went down and we scored.
I mean, this is the Arizona Cardinals too, which up until you started playing, like they hadn't had a lot of success, right? No. And you come in and you're like, we're going to take this motherfucker 98 yards.
And then they probably were like, this's a god yes god not necessarily that they just felt like now okay like he knew like there's a chance now you know like he's gonna bring the he makes me want to do this you know he may he they feel that energy you know and no offense to stoney or kent but they you know when you get drafted in the second round there's a pretty good chance you're going to play, especially for an organization that really hadn't had a franchise quarterback or someone to hang their hat on. Yeah, that year was big.
98 was huge. We saved that team from being the L.A.
Cardinals. I mean, they were the L.A.
Cardinals if not for 98. Yeah, go to the playoffs.
So that was your first time being a backup. The next time you were a backup was your last game, right? And I read the story.
It's very funny. So it's a great story.
Everyone should read it on Sports Illustrated. But Jake essentially tells a story that he's the backup.
At first, he was upset that he was a backup. But then he realized, like, hey, why don't I enjoy this? Like, I'm going to go out and enjoy the fans eating hot dogs at halftime.
So you get in the last game, were just like fuck it i'm just gonna throw it deep and see what happens no not at all i was rolling to my left and saw javon walker taking a break going deep and so i let it let it go i mean i think it ball traveled 50 plus yards in the air right when it was coming down he got tripped and the guy came flying in and picked him off so So that was my last throw in the NFL, which I'm fine with. Yeah, right.
I came to the league to try to make a play, and that's what I told him. I walked by Shanahan.
He's looking at me like, what? I'm like, trying to make a play, coach. We're going to sit down on the bench.
And my QB coach, Pat McPherson, comes over, and he starts to pull something out. I was like, yeah, you can go ahead and get out of here.
Get out of here. I'm not talking to you anymore.
I don't need to tell you what I was doing. I mean, I was trying to make a play.
I wanted to win the game. Jesus Christ, put me in the game.
We win that game. We go to the playoffs.
No offense to Jay either. It's just that was my team.
When I came back out, that energy was still there. I felt it, and it felt good.
It was kind of like my last curtain call was a haymaker rolling to my left trying to make a play. I threw 161 TDs in the NFL, and I also threw 161 interceptions.
That's awesome. That's sick.
That's the definition of trying to make a play. I came out even.
A lot of good ones and some bad ones. You are the ultimate hands-off-the-wheel guy.
That's so's so perfect that the universe ended your NFL career on that play with the same amount of touchdowns as in your seven-year-old. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, it's kind of funny. There were about a good ten of those, maybe a little more, were Hail Marys at the end of the first half with the Cardinals, too.
Right, right. So keep in mind, I didn't throw it out of the end zone like a lot of QBs would for their rating.
I was like, come on, let's get this TD. We're throwing Hail, Mary.
I'm trying to make a play. I put it into the end zone, and there'd be a defensive guy who would pick it off.
So at least 10 of those. Even Dave Brown, my backup, was like, dude, throw those out of bounds.
I'm like, are you kidding me, man? If we get a touchdown going in, we come out, we get another touchdown, we're only down by 14 now. Instead of 28, we got down by 14 like that.
I mean, I never gave up until the clock was over. That's awesome.
That's what my teammates loved. I think that I just never let them be complacent.
Right. How weird was it playing in the NFC East in Arizona? That's crazy, man.
We played some tough teams in some tough places. We traveled a lot.
We flew a lot. Like the late game in Philly or New York, you get back early morning to Arizona and five-and-a-half-hour plane ride.
No wonder these guys are wanting drugs after the game. I mean, you can't hardly just sit anywhere, and then you've got to sit on a plane for five-and-a-half hours.
I mean, that was really tough. Yeah, yeah.
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I read a story, and I want to confirm it because the guy doesn't get a lot of good publicity right now, Hugh Jackson. So clearly things didn't go well for him in the Browns.
But I read the story that Hugh Jackson was the reason you went to Arizona State. Is that a fact? No, he was a running backs coach when I got there.
I loved him. I mean, we were tight right off.
Any coach that as I'm handing the ball off to the running back, he's running behind them through the holes, like helping them hone their vision. I loved him, his energy and everything, but then he coached me, let me see, see my junior year he was my quarterback coach and that's a year i went from kind of uh kind of a sloppy mess into like i look i was legit yeah he legitimized my drop my footwork my delivery efficient everything i just got he he was amazing so fun to play for and to be coached by and yeah he he did it he didn't do as well as people think in Cleveland, but who the hell has? Yeah, that's true.
They didn't win games, but they were in games. Come on, man.
You know, you can't coach like he wanted to coach without full reigns. Yeah.
There's lots of, you know, backstory that goes into that. But I've always been a huge, huge, huge Jackson supporter.
Yeah. Great coach.
Yeah. All right.
Well, thank you so much. This has been awesome.
Right on. Is there anything else you'd like the audience to know about the mushroom business? Do you actually tell you what? Can you do your top three mushrooms? Because you said that this one was number one, right? Yeah.
You've got to go with reishi. It's definitely – it's not a gourmet.
You can't eat it. So you could, but it's real fibrous, very tough.
You wouldn't want to eat reishi mushroom. But taking the tinctures is definitely good for your whole body.
Lion's mane is amazing. And gourmet-wise cooking that is so good.
I've never had anything quite like this. It's like seafood in a way, kind of like fish, without being fishy.
And then after that, I don't know how to pick one after that. I mean, I would probably say turkey tail, which, again, is not one that's edible.
It grows on hardwoods, and it's extremely useful in antioxidant and prevention for cancer. They use it to treat cancer in Japan.
Use it as an additive to cancer treatment, which helps a lot of the people going through cancer and radiation come out a little healthier. So that's another one that's just packed full of a lot of immunomodulating things, immune system, fight things off.
Uh, but those are probably my top three to take, um, out and out and about. I mean, yeah, it's hard to say.
I mean, I love witch's butter. It's a little orange gelatinous thing that comes out of trees that is really good for your respiratory system.
Trem's cool they call it tremella mushrooms have such cool names yeah those are all the Aaron Rodgers loves witches butter too it's all good you know there's so many mushrooms out there but I would say if I had to pick one because you can eat it is lion's mane lion's mane's amazing yeah. Yeah.
Heresy and marinaceous is one strain we could, we, we grow here. Um, it's a beautiful mushroom.
We've yet to find out how good it can be for our brains. Possibly, you know, have might have some positive effects on the prevention of, of Alzheimer's and dementia, uh, with its neuronal growth powers.
So yeah, I'm a full firm believer in the fungal kingdom. I'm excited.
You guys are here guys are here to shed light on this. And anybody out there, again, check out michaulove.farm and getumbo.com for some good products.
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Everyone check it out. One last, last thing.
Do you have one play that you're like, that was my favorite play? I always love to ask guys that. Like, if they have one play that they – the one play that maybe pops in your head at every random.

I'll give you a play and then a throw.

Okay.

My favorite play, we'd run it a lot in Denver.

I would boot out to the left naked, and Rod Smith, the X, would run.

Usually on the normal call, he'd run like a 20-yard comeback.

He was basically going to clear it and then be there late if I needed a throwaway,

or sometimes he'd be wide open.

We would run that.

He'd run an 18-yard, and he'd sit and then go. And so I could still throw on the run.
I could throw it as far as you needed, 45, 50 yards. We killed people with that play.
Yeah. Killed them with that play.
And I can't remember the full call. It was just X takeoff, you know, 34 naked left, X takeoff.
And he'd just run to 18, takeoff. Killed them with that one.
My favorite throw was the skinny post. Just a glance or a bang a bang eight whatever you want to call it and it was just fun to throw as you were five quick steps hit that back foot and the trigger's set yeah there was no you had to read it sometimes you had to pull it back but man letting that thing go in a game and whizzing by guys who are looking at you but it's like it's already by them it's like that was one of my favorite throws i love i also it.
I also heard that you used to call out plays at the line of scrimmage sometimes. Like if you wanted to audible real quick, you would just say the name of the play, and you wouldn't even like disguise it.
In 98, that's all we did. I called my whole offense from right on the line of scrimmage.
Damn. We went no huddle, and in eight games I threw for 2,500 yards.
That was when we made the playoff run. Mark Trestman was the OC.
Like, Coach, I can't just call the plays. He's like, those guys don't know any of those terms.
By the time they figure it out, we're snapping the ball. Right, that's the thing.
It's like you can disguise the terminology, but the defense doesn't know your offensive play calls. Yeah, now they do.
Now they know most of the terms. Those guys study so much.
But, yeah, the game hasn't changed that much. It's still violent.
It's still fun to watch. Yeah.
It's still going to be there, you know, years to come. College game might not, I don't know, depending on how they treat these athletes and with all this.
You would have been an NIL king. Oh yeah.
Oh man. Well, maybe my last year.
Yeah. Yeah.
We didn't do a whole lot. Yeah.
Yeah. But I mean, still like in Arizona great what would have been great is to have the funds to then take my team and take them out to dinner or bring them over to the house and have like gather you're the coolest guy you're so close take care of my cats we pay for there were guys who had kids couldn't get shoes for their kids you know like it would have been nice to have that to help my team sure that would have been a blessing for sure yeah alright well Jake Palmer one of the coolest, one of the coolest guys we've ever interviewed.
Thank you. Everyone check out the website.
A very fun guy. There we go.
Great interview, guys. Thanks for being here.
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Okay. We're going to wrap up with a Mount Rushmore.
Uh, we're doing the Mount Rushmore of universally loved things. Yes.
Sorry. Mount Rushmore is on the hot seat now.
Big time. Thank you to Jalen Rose for putting it on there.
We've gotten tagged in a lot of tweets being like, what are you going to say to this? Probably just going to keep doing Mount Rushmore until football comes back. I'm going to continue to grow as a person.
By that, I mean, once enough people start telling me to stop using it, I'm going to cower and tuck my head and take away. And then we'll just do top fours of all time.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, Jake, who sent this to you? This was a AWL sent this one in. Thank you.
Appreciate that. Proper credit coming your way.
Coming your way. Right up.
Congratulations to camp congratulations one five six okay congratulations

you got proper credit yeah he's getting the course light yeah he's basically been like our pack mule on this trip where it's just like if we don't want somebody to strap it to billy's back yes he also is probably gonna come back with like two missing and be like it was hot hot. I needed a sip.
Low-key, most of these six-packs were missing some. Yeah.
All right. Whoa, Hank, be careful there.
PFT. Hank's peeking.
He's peeking. Dirty dog.
All right, so we won. Dirty tricks after a bad showing.
Yeah, we won again. Playing great.
Why don't we go first? And then, Hank, why don't you go second? And we'll give Jake and Billy just a couple more seconds of time to hopefully get Billy here. So, Jake, your list that you're about to unveil, is that just you or is it a collaboration list? I mean, I have my picks.
I have his picks. So, together, we have a collab pick.
But are you going to go with your picks or are you going to mix it? We'll see how the draft goes. Okay.
All right. Okay.
All right. PFT, I sent you back.

Yeah.

I like this order.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

Number one.

One overall.

Very good pick.

Great pick indeed.

Puppies.

Very good dogs. Puppies are universally loved.

Jake.

Jake loves puppies too.

I had that as my 1-1.

Yeah.

For my guy that's allergic.

I had dogs as 1-1.

Hank tried to get us.

Unreal.

Hank tried to get us.

It backfired.

Yeah.

Puppies are so universally loved that even people that will die from being

in the I had dogs as one one. Hank tried to get us.
Unreal. Hank tried to get us.
It backfired.

Yeah.

Puppies are so universally loved that even people that will die from being in the same room as them still adore them.

Yes.

I also love whenever someone on Twitter, like there'll be like a mass shooting or something.

It'd be like bad day.

Like a lot of people got shot at work or school.

Please send puppies.

Yeah.

Okay, cool.

That will fix that.

If like an entire warehouse full of puppies got shot, maybe stuff would actually change yeah that's true that is true i think actually like sadly yes no it's very sadly but also true yeah but puppies one one billy's here all right billy yes billy he's got the coors light billy you didn't miss any picks we did puppies one one but you guys haven't picked yet thank you for grabbing this course like billy yes billy thank you puppies one one hank team hank hank he had a meeting with his team at lunch yep yeah we expanded yeah we got aria and jonah here for the week great week so you know they were involved in the in the planning process as well uh this that was one one is going to be like clapping back at people on Twitter. That was that was I think dogs was the one one.

I think this is the obvious one, too.

Why did Billy just bring you clear eyes?

Take a take a wild guess.

We're about to be at a meet and greet meeting a lot of people.

I mean, big cats getting big nugs dropped off left and right.

That guy was the best.

He's just like big cat.

I want you to have my biggest nug.

I'm just I'm just shadowing, you know, just just trying to stay ahead of the say ahead of the curve uh but our one our first pick is head heads head head like nancy reagan like getting your dick sucked or getting eaten out if you're a lady okay nice okay everyone likes head yeah hell yeah who doesn't yeah who doesn't i would lie if there's someone that tweets me like i hate head like you'll suck him off no you prove to them you just haven't had it for me hank will if you don't like a blowjob hank will suck your dick dry okay good pick hank thank you you mean i think you should specify can i help you out Everybody likes getting head. Not giving head.
This is a situation like Dana got when he proclaimed himself the king of blowjobs, and he didn't realize that when you call yourself the king of blowjobs, people could interpret it different ways. That is a good clarification thing for that.
Getting head. Okay.
Here we go. Sleep.
Sleep. Everybody loves sleep.
Well. Not everyone.
Not alphasphas not alpha pluses people not russell yeah likes to close their eyes at some point doesn't matter how long everyone likes to sleep at some point counterpoint i don't necessarily like sleep i like being well rested yeah rest i like i like the feeling after i sleep but i don't know if i like actually like well i'm asleep because no one no one likes staying up all night and never being able to sleep okay right yeah everyone likes to sleep what about people who have like nightmares that torture them it would freddy krueger's around yeah what if you just every time you close your eyes it's the scariest thing in the world well guess what sleep is everyone it. Everyone likes it.
Everyone at some point closes their eyes and goes to sleep. We poked some holes through it, but I don't think there are any holes.
That's a good pick. Our next pick is going to be ice cream.
Everyone loves ice cream. That's a good pick.
That's a great pick. It's a natural thing.
I think from the time you're born until the time you die, you never get sick of ice cream. Ice cream is the best.
Shout out to lactose intolerant people. But that's actually a proof to ice cream.
I feel like lactose intolerant people still eat ice cream. And they're like, I'll just be sick.
They've made the ice cream for lactose intolerant people. And they don't even care that it doesn't taste anything like the real thing.
They're just like, yeah, feed me that garbage. It's still close to ice cream.
Yeah, but I guarantee you there are people that reply to me tomorrow they're like yeah i'm lactose intolerant but i like it's like a dog and chocolate like i'll just i know it'll kill me but i'll still eat it that's how good it is uh this would have been my one one i know there are some you know some haters in this panel but our second pick is vacations good pick we had it on the list yep yeah everyone likes them everyone loves them everyone likes going on vacation yeah not with other people that you work with go on vacations. Good pick.
We had it on the list. Yep.
Everyone likes them.

Everyone loves them.

Everyone likes going on vacations.

Not when other people that you work with go on vacations,

but going on one yourself, that's great.

Yeah.

That's good.

Good pick.

Good pick.

Thank you.

Okay.

PFT, why don't you announce?

I'm going to go with number three.

I actually disagree with you.

And then you go with number two, maybe?

Yep.

Perfect.

Perfect.

All right.

Great draft.

Yep. I'm feeling really good about this draft.
Really good. Our second pick, we're going to go with music.
Everyone loves music. Yes.
Now, it's not necessarily the same type of music, but music. Music is universal.
Imagine the world without music. Scary place.
Yep. Music makes a movie great.
Any type of music. Live music.
It makes getting head better.

Yep.

Makes vacation way better.

Good point.

It's a good thing enhancer.

It's all around.

I actually don't think you can go on vacation if you don't have music.

That's fair.

Yeah.

I like to put on 3-6 Mafia and just lean back.

Yep.

All right.

Get your knobs lobbed.

Yeah.

We're going to wade into some food similar to ice cream pizza pizza universally loved yep pizza makes the world go round i don't show me a person who doesn't like pizza they are a certified weirdo psychopath psychopath like that and pizza is also one of those things that you liked it when you were two years old and you like it when you're 90 years old.

Yeah.

Pizza.

Pizza.

Pizza fever.

Pizza.

Catch it.

Got any thoughts, Hank?

Would you like to say anything about that?

No, I love pizza.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's good.

Yeah.

If we combined all these things, it would be incredible.

It's a great day.

Getting head from a puppy while eating pizza on vacation.

Listening to your favorite jams.

I'll do your one.

Actually, no. We're going to go into the human side.
Oh, where were we before? Well, things, food. Got it.
Music. Okay.
Oh, you're going with an individual. An individual, yes.
Okay. Adam Sandler.
Oh, that's a good pick. Good pick.
Good choice. Good pick.
That's a very good pick. I like that.
Everyone does like Adam Sandler. Great guy.
Great movies. Yeah, there was even that phase where people tried to come back on Adam.
Yeah. People tried to clown on Adam Sandler and it didn't take.
Like, oh, look at the shorts he's wearing. Everyone's like, dude, what the fuck? It's Adam Sandler.
He's just rich and doesn't care. Yeah.
And he's a universally loved guy and also seemingly nice to everyone. Everyone.
Yeah. Maybe too nice? What does he try to hide? That might be his not be i would that would devastate me i'm gonna add them to the list of of celebrities that i would be like actually crumbled by yeah if it came out that there were dickheads like tom hanks yeah would be one of them and then i always put weird owl on there too because everyone likes weird owl ellen but but yeah ellen oh my god if somebody said anything bad about ellen just my throat.
Yeah, she's my queen. We had a little back and forth here.
Uh-oh. There's nothing better than looking over and Billy looks as confident as ever and Jake's shaking his head.
It's my favorite look in Team Mount Rushmore. They got a good look.
Yeah, okay. So I don't think we all realized how much we all love this.
That's why it's not going to play well in the graphics. No.
Why would you say that, Jake? We literally knew that the intro would have been perfect. But you just had to just shit on it.
Okay, all right, all right. Start over.
Start over. We'll pretend that didn't happen.
Jake, Billy was giving a great intro. Yeah.
So, yeah, he was giving a great intro of, so a lot of people probably are going to disagree about this universally loved thing. I want to this i just want to say for the record i want to like what open mind you'll get our gut reaction so something we all take for granted but on this trip we've lacked a little of and it's a little harder to find than usual oxygen everyone loves oxygen and especially hey we've all been carrying stuff around.
The altitude, the thinning air. I thought you were going to say friendship.
I was like, that's sick, dude. Yeah, like this has been fun.
No, oxygen. Everyone loves oxygen.
If you didn't have oxygen, you would die. What about? A lot of us are slowly dying, carrying stuff, going upstairs with a lack of oxygen.
And you guys may not get it, but guys behind the camera, they get it. aria did have a problem with oxygen yesterday he's peaking and you know what lack of it tomorrow you guys are gonna be like wow he was right you're not wrong about that but it's not something that's loved it's something that's taken for granted right it's like breathing you don't think about i think do you love breathing i think it's underrated do you want to do i don't think about breathing as much as you want to breathe if i took you out to the water if i took you out to the water and put you under the water and then drowned you and you scott obviously said you got to succeed as much as you want to breathe and love ice cream it'd be the same thing succeed as much as you want to breathe okay um philly counterpoint oh yeah about people that...
All-timer. What about getting choked out while you're boning, though?

Like, that's depriving you of oxygen, but heightening the rest of your sentences.

Bonk.

Listen, this is a bonk-free zone.

It's Mount Rushmore.

Things universally loved, yeah. Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Last pick.

It's not a bad pick.

It's just, again, it's not something...

I don't think anyone thinks, like, man, I love oxygen. Milo.
What? Milo, yeah. Man, I love oxygen.
Man, I love oxygen. Okay.
Yeah, there we go. Our last pick is NFL Red Zone.
Oh, yeah. Everyone loves it.
What about the people who? I do love NFL Red Zone, but there have been times on this podcast when somebody else has said that it takes away from the flow. Yeah personally disagree with that take i love enough i i love nfl red zone i would kill but i do there is something about sinking your teeth in a game in a solo game that's right special sunday one o'clock you're playing red zone what about the people who don't like football they don't listen then yeah yeah.
Yeah, you're right. Fuck them.
Fuck them.

I would honestly,

I would probably kill... Wait.

I have a point of contention.

Which Red Zone are you talking about?

This is very important.

I could have...

No, this is very important.

Which type of pizza

are you talking about?

Just pizza.

Cheese pizza.

Which type of music

are you talking about?

All music, we said.

Which type of puppies

are you talking about?

No, no, no.

All puppies.

But there's two different hosts.

That's ridiculous.

I don't love him. He undersells everything.
I don't offer myself anymore. I like him.
All right. All right.
Red Zone. It's a good pick's a good pick.
Yeah. It's a good pick.
I was just trying to make you say something bad about Cisleano.

Never.

Yeah, I know.

I know I have some Syracuse guys too.

They're all Syracuse guys.

Yeah.

They're all.

Okay, good pick.

That's a good pick.

Red Zone is – I'll tell you what.

Red Zone is universally loved on this podcast in terms of listeners.

There's not a person – it would be very funny if we could find one person who heard that pick was like what what is he talking about yeah all right hank i'm shocked that uh team billy and jake can take this considering the merch considering you know what you're wearing uh but our last pick is freedom okay freedom everyone loves freedom yeah that actually, I don't think a lot of people like freedom anymore.

Well, Billy, I think there's a lot of people around here.

Billy's a fascist adjacent.

Where does that come from? Where does that come from?

It means that you're not a fascist, but you admire a lot.

Yeah, right. You're like, they got some good ideas.

You think that they're sweet. Yeah, the trains ran on time.

That kind of stuff.

Not me.

I love freedom.

I love this country.

And, you know.

Good pick.

I think anyone that doesn't have freedom probably wishes they did.

What does freedom mean to you, Hank?

It just means vacation.

Going to the beach.

Getting headed and not having to reciprocate.

Yeah.

America, baby.

Fucking love this country. Okay, our last pick.
Do you want to do it? Yeah, we're going to go with a person on this one. You want to say it at the same time? Yes.
Three, two, one. Scott Van Pelt.
Everybody loves Scott Van Pelt. Everyone loves Scott Van Pelt.
Say something bad about Scott Van Pelt. Try.
I dare you. It's the same as the red zone thing, but what about the people that don't watch sports? You're right.
But those people aren't listening to this podcast. I knew the minute I said that to Jake, I kind of put myself in a box.
So that's why I backed off. But yeah, because there are people who don't watch sports.
I'll hand up. But I still think they'd like Scott Van Pelt.
Yeah, exactly. I think that there's no Scott.
Anyone who's not a Scott Van Pelt fan just doesn't know who he is. There's just Scott Van Pelt fans in the waiting.
He's universally loved. We'll see.
I guess pizza and dog is going to be tough to overcome. Who does not like Scott Van Pelt? Show yourselves, Cowboys.
Ryan Russillo. I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding. I don't know.
There probably is. That was based off what he told you.
There probably is. There probably are people at ESPN that are jealous or like coworkers of his that aren't as successful as him that secretly have disdain towards him.
I think he's gotten to a level where it's like we need Scott Van Pelt to pay our our jobs he's that type of like loved like scott van put pelt puts food on our table i think i think there's probably some jealousy at that company because he is like so massive but i think the respect that he has like people are like i'm jealous of him but i realize that i'm just being jealous yes yes um okay what did we miss there's a lot uh part of myaks. Yeah.
Universally loved. Shout out to everyone that's been getting them.
Keep going to get them. Delicious.
Great, great report so far. So thank you to all the AWLs who have.
Yeah. So we actually dug into the deep dummies on the cheesesteaks.
And the complaints about them are down significantly compared to like any other brand new launch. So it's going really well.
Now been a couple issues if there are issues tweet out the support and the support will take care of all of you i've enmoed some guy 150 bucks because he complained so much and then he he sent it back to me because we refunded him so i was like he and he apologized he's like i'm sorry i was going through some shit i'm sorry i replied to every single one of your tweets for three days straight and i was like cool that's fine all right i just wanted you to be happy that's the cause you won't get that customer service anywhere else yeah i'm doing spot checks on the quality too i'm ordering them personally to myself uh-huh just to make not because i like i'm a fat ass who loves cheese sticks that's totally not why but just to do quality check i check. I like that.
Other things we missed home runs. Everyone loves home runs.
Yeah, I mean chicks dig long ball. That's the universal love thing.
Snow days. Yeah, good.
Yeah, boobs, boobs. Even women love boobs.
Yeah, like women look at a naked woman. They're like, wow, she's gorgeous.
Yeah, they look at each other's girls that don't have boobs. Hate boobs.
No i think they love boobs they're just like i wish i had boobs yeah but then they inherently hate them but like you know like when chicks like hang out they just look at each other's boobs that's all they do we also we just hang out and name random players they just look at each other's boobs mark lemke that's a good one yeah i remember him yes of course you do a lot of the braves from oh i love terry pendleton uh jeff blouser jeff treadway all the jeffs uh we had mac and cheese yep mac and cheese everyone loves mac and cheese free money i don't know even if that exists but free money you know i mean that is universally loved someone's like here i mean those those always go crazy on Twitter when someone's like, I'm giving away free money. Yeah.
Yeah. The live tour.
That's a that's a prime example of it. Yes, exactly.
Free money. Exactly.
Sunsets and sunrises. Oh, yeah.
Nice. Beautiful.
The other the cool side of the pillow. Yeah, doesn't love that.
Taking a nice big clean shit. I think that's just because you have to do that.
I do have to shit. Well, my hotel room's not ready yet.
You can tell he's got to take a shit because he sent it. We went back and forth, and then he sent back.
I was like, I really think that taking a nice, big, clean shit is going to play. I was like, what about the women? I was like, eh, whatever.
Girls poop. Yeah, sometimes.
But those aren't big. Those are little, tiny rabbit pellets.
Tom Hanks, like I said earlier. Pedophile.
Kind of problematic. Yeah, really problematic.
Possibly. Australia.
Alleged. Locked up in our Twitter.
Laughing. Just laughing.
Everybody loves to laugh. Laugh.
Friendship. Yeah.
You know. Potable drinking water.
Potable. Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
That's good. That's along the same lines of oxygen.
Although water kills millions that's why i said potable drinking water potable yeah yeah potable yeah um let's see what else do we have course light oh charles barkley charles barkley everyone loves charles charles is another one where like people have dipped their toe into trying to be like don't listen to charles barkley and everyone's like, how about you shut up? And that's always like a universally loved person. New sheets on a bed.
What? So nice. New sheets on a bed, yeah.
Climbing to bed. I've recently become a second sheet guy.
I'm growing up. What do you mean? Like the, whatever, the cover.
Oh. So wait, talk me through your layers.
You have the fitted sheet on bottom. I have a fitted sheet and then the secondary sheet and then the comforter.
I don't do secondary sheet. I hate it.
I get all tangled up in it. Sometimes I just go only secondary sheet.
Yeah. I only go blanket because I just I'm a violent sleeper.
I feel like that was a big step up in adulthood. Yeah, that is.
You started using a sheet. The second sheet.
Next step is to wash them. Yeah.
No, I wash my sheets. I like how you call it the second sheet, but it's really just the first sheet.
Yeah. No, the first sheet is the sheet.
The fitted sheet on the bottom. That is the sheet.
That's the sheet. That's sheet one.
That's sheet one and sheet two is the sheet. Yeah.
Okay. I would say like 77 degrees and no clouds.

Yeah.

That's pretty universally loved. Not if you're from big time country.

No, but I mean, that's still a day that you love.

I mean, you want...

He doesn't want 20 degrees and clouds.

Oh, yeah, and football weather.

But I'm saying like if you just popped up...

If you popped up a 77 degree cloudless day in the middle of...

The best.

Like in Columbus, Ohio in January, I don't think anyone would complain real feel what real feel 77 yeah real feel yeah thanks for checking because that's 77 yeah no i got you humidity yeah there could be humidity no i'm saying real feel 77 low humidity raymond yeah maybe a soft breeze yeah yeah uh showers i think showers yeah good I, in theory, like baths better, but who has the time? No one has the time. Yeah.
Showers. Showers.
Yeah.

I, in theory, like baths better, but who has the time?

Right.

No one has the time.

Hot tubs.

Hot tubs.

Hot tubs. Great.

Hot tubs.

Great.

We missed that.

We whiffed on hot tubs.

Yeah.

Hot tubs.

Ice baths.

Okay.

Nevermind.

Yeah.

Okay.

Billy.

Gary V.

All right.

Andrew Tate. Top G.
Top G. We've got to do more push-ups.
Numbers. Numbers.
Send everyone on their way. 30.
12. 30.
Tune in Friday. Maybe an airport review coming your way.
The third ever. 26.
Third ever. Madison, Indianapolis.
and then the one that we're going to do for Friday.

Yeah, third ever.

We're averaging one every two years.

That's pretty good.

I thought it had to be more.

We're on kind of a hot streak.

No, it's not more.

It's definitely not.

We're on a hot streak with airport reviews.

Two in a year?

Yeah.

This is the year of airport reviews.

Say your numbers.

Three.

What's yours, Batgirl?

Two.

44 for jonah 21

i'm gonna do 27 everyone got them 30 76 so close i don't want to win on one of these yeah yeah no

you can't win on one of these hank it would be bad if you wanted one of these people would call

mickey mouse trophy love you guys there's alligator eating pythons Yeah, really. That rocks't know what I have to say.
I'll say it anyway.

Today's my day to find you.

Shining away.

I'm coming for your love again.

Shining away.

I'm coming for your love again. So let me go.

So let me go.

I'm going.

I'm going. Take on me again Take on me again

Take on me again

Take on me again

Take on me again Thank you. Things that you say, yeah, is it a light bulb? Just a play that burn the reason away.

You are the things I've got to remember.

Shining away, I'll come for you anyway.

Shining away, I'll come for you anyway. Take on me.

Take on me.

Take on me.

Take on me.

Oh.

Take on me. Take on me.
Take on me.

Take on me.