Aaron Rodgers, Grit Week 2022 + Mt Rushmore Of NFL Coaches You Want On Your Side In A Fight

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Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers. We got him.
Going to jail. Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
We got him. We got him.
That's the tweet. That was what I was putting on tweeting when

Speaker 1 we have yet to post a video.

Speaker 1 aaron rodgers has been caught and compromised to the fullest extent we got him we went we flew to green bay a covert operation kept it under wraps this was on tuesday uh and we we got aaron rodgers great interview um went into it being like can't let him can't let him win me with kindness i feel like i held my ground but i guess we'll see uh we are on grit week we're in colorado we're dealing with the high altitude it's awesome it's going to be a great week because we have a lot of awesome stuff planned.

Speaker 1 We're going to do Who's Back? We're going to do Mount Rushmore of NFL coaches we want on our side in a fight in honor of Grit Week and Dan Campbell wearing his grit hat.

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Speaker 1 Hey, Big Cat, let's ride. Let's ride.
Broncos Country. Let's ride.
Let's ride. Let's ride.

Speaker 1 Broncos Country. Let's ride.
Let's ride. There were some people who thought that today's interview was going to be Russ Wilson, and it was

Speaker 1 that people were very upset about that, but I'm saying let's ride. Let's fucking ride today.
We're hitting the south this grit week. Yes, we're in the southernmost state, according to Paul Bissonette.

Speaker 1 Yeah, grit week, seventh year, grit week 2022. We're very excited.
We got some awesome stuff planned. We're going to make some trips all around the lovely state of Colorado, the Sunshine State.

Speaker 1 Is that what it is? Yes, Florida. Dumb and Dumber.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We're in

Speaker 1 the Rockies. How many times are you going to say that? Extra high.

Speaker 1 Somebody sent me something on Twitter earlier and said, hey, in case you guys are having an issue dealing with the altitude apparently viagra helps that oh so shout out bootaban do you remember

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 it reminded me of of year one we we met richie incognito and we decided to play a game called viagra falls yes because we were up in buffalo where we just took like a bunch of pills that were like gas station supplements or like vitamins but one of them was viagra and none of us knew who got to viagra we didn't get boners though well because hank also threw up right after so we think it might have been him remember oh that's right it was hank had to to get the black water yeah or the gray water i think it's both out of the bus and he puked right away right after we had done it but yeah this is it's crazy it's a little bit different setup yeah well we should say too we are in the beautiful ameristar our our hotel in blackhawk colorado come visit it it's incredible uh so thank you to pen uh penn entertainment do you guys see the the change no huge yeah new logo everything new logo and everything we're expanding yeah penn Entertainment.

Speaker 1 They've been taking great care of us. We're only here for tonight.
We're then going to get a little grittier. Maybe a night in the bus.

Speaker 1 Well, they did put a mad dog in my room, which I really appreciate. I feel like that's one of those things.
Icing hasn't been hot for a while, but that's the equivalent of icing me when I see it.

Speaker 1 I haven't drank a mad dog in probably a couple years, and I feel like once you hit your mid-30s, you should probably not be drinking gas station wine anymore.

Speaker 1 However, if it's put in front of me, I feel like it would be impolite of me to not drink it. And it will go brazy up in the altitude.
It will go brazy. It will absolutely.

Speaker 1 The Zins go brazy in the altitude.

Speaker 1 The two nicest hotels I've ever stayed at in my life by far are the Ameristar here and the Lake Charles place we stayed at for small benefits.

Speaker 1 They're both penn properties.

Speaker 1 The best part about when we stay at a penny property, they obviously make, like give us like a bunch of nice stuff when we show up, like a bunch of snacks and everything, and they personalize them.

Speaker 1 Like you got a mad dog, Billy got corn. And then every time I go to my room, it's just the most amount of candy possible.
So it's just such a subtle, like, you're a fat ass.

Speaker 1 And obviously, like, I walked in, I just had a Twix bar and some gummy bears instantly. So, I mean, it worked.
Like, it's not, I didn't turn it down, but it does hurt a little bit inside.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, the candy is a nice touch. The candy apparently also helps with the altitude sickness.
Yes. That's what I've been told.
Just fill up on candy. All right.
So, Grit Week 2022, Aaron Rodgers,

Speaker 1 incredible interview coming up. I can't believe we got him.
Can I just say that I think I I like him? I do not. I do.
Yeah. I like him.
I was nervous.

Speaker 1 The most, I was nervous about the interview, not because, like, we've done a million interviews. It was that I knew he was going to try to win me with kindness, and he did try to win me with kindness.

Speaker 1 And there was a moment where I kind of liked him, but I think I hate him now again.

Speaker 1 The only reason I kind of hate him is because the podcast about ayahuasca dropped the day after we visited him. Yeah.
So we couldn't have talked about that.

Speaker 1 I made a joke about ayahuasca to him, and he kind of admitted that he he took it. And then I thought later, I was like, wait, did Aaron Rodgers just admit on part of my take that he took ayahuasca?

Speaker 1 That's going to be huge. And then fucking undercut us like a motherfucker.
He just spent his whole

Speaker 1 life with ayahuasca.

Speaker 1 That makes me like him a little bit less. But yeah, it was good.
You know, this was a long time coming for sure.

Speaker 1 One of the white whales that we have on part of my take, and the white whales are dying at an alarming rate.

Speaker 1 We're running out of white whales. We got to restock.
I was thinking about it because we were talking about it after, like, what are the white whales? Kevin Durant's still there. Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 Tom.

Speaker 1 Tom.

Speaker 1 Which Tom?

Speaker 1 Oh, I think it was Tommy Smokes. I mean, he's a reality show king.

Speaker 1 Hanks. I think Jameis is a white whale.
I'll throw him in there. Jameis? Jameis would be so much fun.
He would be fun. He's not the biggest whale out there.
No, but he's maybe a baby white whale.

Speaker 1 Like a smaller white whale.

Speaker 1 He's a calf. Yeah, right, exactly.
He's just swimming. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who else would there be?

Speaker 1 LeBron. Yeah, LeBron, definitely.
He's probably going to come on soon.

Speaker 1 I want to interview Pete Carroll. Yeah, Pete Carroll's up there.

Speaker 1 We still got some work to do. But this was a good one.

Speaker 1 All right, so what else? There hasn't been a lot going on in sports other than,

Speaker 1 did you guys see Daniel Vogelback running around the bases today? It was majestic. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 the Mets are as hot as possible, and the Yankees are completely dying,

Speaker 1 which hurts the Subway Series hopes of everyone. I think the Yankees will be just fine.
They're bad, but it's going to improve. They're bad right now.
They're really bad right now.

Speaker 1 What are you going to say, Jake? They still have 70 wins.

Speaker 1 They suck. They're slumping right now.
As Pinstripe, let me put on my Pinstriped Dan hat right now. They suck.
Blow up the team. They won't even make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 It's been the same team five years in a row. Yeah, that's true.
Don't look down. I was in some replies earlier.
I just saw people saying that. Jake Downey.
Doesn't watch his fans falling apart.

Speaker 1 So, Big Cat, your pick of the Mariners who win the World Series. That was my preseason pick.
Preseason pick. They're still in it.
My preseason pick from the NL is coming on strong right now.

Speaker 1 The Phillies. Yes.
The Phillies are fucking good. Schwarber.
Yeah. And

Speaker 1 Batgirl's doing, he's editing some stuff right now, so he can't speak to it, but he was just like, I think someone when we got on the plane was like, Phillies look good. He's like, dude, Schwarber.

Speaker 1 And a little part of me died. Yeah.
It really hurt when he said that. And it's all of us.
Yeah. All of us.

Speaker 1 He got a taste. I got a taste last year.
Not for life. Yeah.
It's still whatever.

Speaker 1 I don't want to start getting bummed out about the colours. That's what happens when Bryce Harper stops playing for your team.
You accomplish big things. Yeah, yeah.
He'll be back ready to mash soon.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, the Phillies. Yeah, you got, I mean, EPL started.
Who cares?

Speaker 1 I care a little bit. I care.
I watched a little.

Speaker 1 It's just good to have sports on in the morning.

Speaker 1 You know what I think? It's like the NFL game in London. No, it doesn't end before.
It's the longest season. No, they take a break.
They take a break. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's that eye roll for? You think that they shouldn't take a break? You think all the best players in the world should just.

Speaker 1 Why did you eye

Speaker 1 figure out a season that isn't going to interfere with the World Cup? Well, usually it doesn't. The World Cup doesn't, yeah.
Yeah, it's because we decided to play a World Cup in the fucking desert.

Speaker 1 It's because the slaves didn't meet the deadline in Qatar, and so they had to push it back. Air conditioning costs too much in the middle of August in Qatar.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I mean, I care, but like, not the first game. And also, it's all on Peacock now, which is that extra step that's going to kill my ability to just turn it on.
That's true.

Speaker 1 When you do the extra step, it's like, all right, you know what? I'll find something else. I mean, cards on the table, this is really the only weekend that I care about EPL because it's the first one.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Where I'm like, oh, it's back.
I missed this. Yeah.
And then I'm going to completely forget about it. Yeah.
Okay, so that was a big. I had one other story.
That was talking soccer.

Speaker 1 That was talking soccer. I had one other story before we do who's back.

Speaker 1 PFT, I read this quote to everyone before you got in the room.

Speaker 1 Did you see Pete Rose today? I did. Was honored for the 1980 World Series for the Phillies.
Did you see a reporter asked? So a reporter asked Pete Rose, a female reporter asked Pete Rose about

Speaker 1 the allegations that he had sex with a minor back in like 1970s. And he replied,

Speaker 1 no, I'm not here to talk about that. Sorry about that.
It was 55 years ago, babe. Yeah, the babe at the end is just, I mean, what else would you expect from Pete Rose?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he also apologized for that after, and he said, will you forgive me if I sign 1,000 baseballs for you? Did he really say that?

Speaker 1 Thero's still the only guest that has requested us pay him to come on to part of my take.

Speaker 1 He also also went on the broadcast, and uh, I think they're probably regretting having him on the broadcast because this was just, I'm going to pull up real quick, a quick snippet of him on the broadcast.

Speaker 1 This is the Phillies broadcast, he he joined them in the booth.

Speaker 1 I hit a cock-eye fastball,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 Joe didn't know what to say. Joe said,

Speaker 1 no shit.

Speaker 1 Talking about hitting cock-eye fastballs.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is what you're not going to expect like an eloquent response from Pete Rose about anything. No.
He's just going to be like, Do you have money for me? Yes.

Speaker 1 I still gamble heavily. How many balls can I sign for the max amount of money? Yeah.
That's all I need. How many baseballs can I sign to get myself out of a statutory rape charge? Yes.

Speaker 1 He was probably pissed that he had to go to Philly. You know, Saratoga's running Del Mar.
Like, he probably wanted to watch the horses.

Speaker 1 I would expect that Pete Rose's answer to a question like that would be, well, how old is she now? Like 55? Yeah. Oh, no, he said the other part was he's like, you weren't even born yet.

Speaker 1 You shouldn't care about things that you weren't born for.

Speaker 1 Hank. Hank, somehow.

Speaker 1 Hank's like, you know,

Speaker 1 World War II was a complicated conflict.

Speaker 1 We weren't alive for it. We didn't get to hear both sides.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of nuance there.

Speaker 1 Any other stories? I mean, this is the lull of training camp, right?

Speaker 1 I feel like this was the weekend that every team had their family night, or like, you know, fans got to show up, take a video of one player getting cooked for one awesome play and be like, yeah, look, our team's going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 This is when they need to do bark at the ballpark. Yeah.
Where they have all the dogs invited. Yeah.
Like every team, it should actually be a night across. The dog should be on the field.
Dog night.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
On the field. Let him run.
Let them take shits everywhere. Michael Vick is like, damn.
The whole night. I just came up with this a little too late for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the only other news that's out there is Deshaun Watson suspension being appealed, and Goodell designated his assigned hearer of the suspension, who's definitely just going to do whatever Roger Goodell asks him to do.

Speaker 1 So that's probably going to happen next week at some point. Yes.
That's about it. Yeah.
I just think him and Brittany Griner should trade punishments. Yeah, that one guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that, I mean, yeah, Brittany Griner did get her. Was it Friday that she got

Speaker 1 six weeks? Okay,

Speaker 1 that makes sense. Yeah, six weeks seems reasonable for her.
I also, like, my content brain, Brittany Griner should be freed. She should be back home.
It's, it's fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 1 But I was thinking that, like, if Batgirl does something bad and we do a free Batgirl hashtag, we get a little cross-pollination. So free BG.

Speaker 1 That would be like, well, we're talking about our Batgirl, not Britney Griner. Yeah, which she should be freed.

Speaker 1 It depends on who arrests Batgirl if they have somebody that we want to get back in exchange. Yeah.
Like, because that's what's going on with Britney Griner right now.

Speaker 1 She got the big sentence, which is like 10 years, because she couldn't be traded back until she was sentenced. Correct.
And now they've got her for 10 years, so it's a lot of leverage.

Speaker 1 And now Putin's asking for like the god of war.

Speaker 1 The merchant of war. Merchant of death.
He's an arms dealer. There's actually people now grading the trade.
People are like, this isn't a fair trade. No, I ran into the merchant simulator.

Speaker 1 It's like, we got to at least get some cap space back. Yeah.
This is bullshit. Billy, what were you going to say? There was a crazy viral video of Jordan Davis absolutely blowing up Jason McKelsey.

Speaker 1 It was so remarkable to see a guy like that get pushed back 10 yards. Yeah.
I mean, Jordan Davis is, Jordan Davis is like, every time I see a picture of him, he looks so young and he's so big. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he's so fucking. How do you look running to the sideline, Billy? That's the big question.
Yeah, that's right. That's a big question.
Did he have stamina?

Speaker 1 I didn't see him hustle back after the play. And also, I was just going to say that with Jordan Davis, that was the pick of the draft.

Speaker 1 There were actually, I'm going to put it in the same category as the Ravens when they just get great players that fall to them. Yes.
When the Eagles picked him, I was like,

Speaker 1 why is he still on the board? Why do they get him? Yes. And I did make a future bet on the Eagles and Ravens, which is probably stupid because it's based solely on the draft.
Yeah. But whatever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that might be a better thing to do like two years from now. Yeah, whatever.
I mean, that's okay.

Speaker 1 Opportunities now. Billy, did you see Zach Wilson catching a ball with one hand, too?

Speaker 1 That's pretty cool for the Jets that everyone's getting excited about their quarterback catching a ball. He did with his tips of his fingers.

Speaker 1 I know, and everyone's like, holy shit, Zach Wilson, beast mode. It's like, but

Speaker 1 he's got to throw it. Brady can't do it.
Superman catches bullets the same way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but again, he's got to throw it, not catch it. Who cares?

Speaker 1 If he does like a Brett Favre and throws and catches his own interception, he'll be in a good spot. He had an amazing last day at camp.
Oh, great.

Speaker 1 He had zero incompletions. Wow.

Speaker 1 How many completions?

Speaker 1 I think he went 15 for 15. Oh, I was hoping you were going to be like four.

Speaker 1 Well, those are always the best stat lines in training camps when it's like, okay, yeah, a ball didn't touch the ground.

Speaker 1 Yeah, probably because he was going up against a second-team defense, I would imagine. And they're all scripted plays, and the defense has like maybe doesn't even know.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The most impressive thing that I saw was earlier today out of the Chiefs' training camp, their safety. Their safety kicked a 65-yard field goal.
What?

Speaker 1 Oh, that was your who's back. Sorry, Hank.
Okay,

Speaker 1 I've got several, so I can give Hank. All right, let's get back to, let's get to our who's back.
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Speaker 1 Awesome. Who's back was actually Cody Parky?

Speaker 1 Oh, because Justin Reed hit a 65-yard field goal and then just in classic ricochet NFL fan form, all the replies were just like, no one showed this to Bear fans, no one showed this to Bear fans, no one shows this.

Speaker 1 So that, but that was like, that seems like a long time ago, but it's still one of those things. No, anytime a doink,

Speaker 1 but not even a doink, it was just a

Speaker 1 double doink. It was a crazy long field goal.
Yeah, I mean, what you need to have happen is somebody to miss a field goal in more spectacular fashion. Probably won't happen.

Speaker 1 Right now, that's the most heartbreaking field goal that we have in recent memory. So until somebody fucks it up worse, then that's just what we're going to go with.
Yes.

Speaker 1 My other Who's Back is a Chaco Taco. Oh, good Who's Back, hey? Yeah.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 They said they're bringing it back. They just heard.

Speaker 1 Stay woke. Yes.
I mean, Morbin time. They went Morbin time.
That was a genius move. Choco Taco's going Morbin.
They just reminded everyone the Chaco Taco rules. Yeah, and then everyone was like,

Speaker 1 please, no, please don't take away my beloved Chaco Taco. Right.
It's all I have going for me in this shitty life.

Speaker 1 And now all you'll think about when you see the Chaco Taco, you're like, I got to get it before it runs out. You never know.
Right.

Speaker 1 They should just announce that they're discontinuing it and then just never do anything to it and have it just constantly be in stock the same amount that it is right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it'll just fly off the shelves. We're discontinuing Billy talking on Part of My Take.
No, that's real, though.

Speaker 1 We're discontinuing Part of My Take. This is the last episode ever.

Speaker 1 We're retiring. Thank you guys for listening to the last episode.
If we ever got a lot of time, the last seven years,

Speaker 1 this meant a lot. I said, yeah,

Speaker 1 if we get Aaron Rodgers on this show, I'll never do another podcast. Someone's going to write an article and they're going to think it's real.
No, no, this is real. Yeah.
Oh, okay. We're quitting.

Speaker 1 Glass Beagle. We're on with it.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Your who's back, PF.
Well, Hank stole mine with Chaco Taco, but my other who's back of the week is Earth. Earth is back.

Speaker 1 There was an article that came out last Friday that said that the Earth is now spinning faster than it has before. Whoa.

Speaker 1 So specifically on June 29th, Midnight arrived 1.59 milliseconds sooner than expected. So it's spinning up.
It's going faster than it has before. Don't know what that's all about.

Speaker 1 It doesn't sound good. It's going to fuck up technology.
That sounds bad. It is going to fuck up technology.
It was like Y2K all over again? Actually, though.

Speaker 1 I was going to say it's like the Houston Astros 2020 season all over. Yes.
Yes. Get Trevor Bauer on the case, figure out what's going on with the spin rate.

Speaker 1 This is a problem. Yeah, maybe we just have too much spider tack on the ozone layer right now.

Speaker 1 I don't know if this was hand-timed or electronically timed. Like, there's some nerd.

Speaker 1 This is one of those things that I didn't even know that we kept track of as the human race, but apparently there's some scientist somewhere in a mountain that like checks at the end of every day how long the day was.

Speaker 1 What does he just see how fast it is for him to get back to the exact same point? Yeah, I guess so. That's probably how you do it, but it's a great excuse for anyone who's running late for something.

Speaker 1 You just put the earth sped up, not my fault. You put a balloon in the air and wait till you get back to it.
Yeah, that's probably what it is. That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 I respect science, but like scientists have some of the biggest rockets going. Oh, they could say anything and everyone would be like, holy shit, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which climate change, right, Hank? Which climate change? No, we were talking about it.

Speaker 1 I want to hear one, I want to hear an example of another racket that scientists have going on. The people that do the fucking the star is like 2,000 years ahead.

Speaker 1 Look at these super close images we got. Yeah, and it's even taking a picture.
There's a hundred galaxies, like the one that came out last week. We were talking about

Speaker 1 rocks. Yeah, no, someone found a picture of a racket going.
A rug that looked exactly like it. It used to be a picture of a rug.
Yeah, and it's like a doctor's office. What do they do?

Speaker 1 What is that knowledge going to help us with? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Minus aliens. It means next time we'll have like a slightly clearer picture of those rocks.
Right. And what? They're 2,000 years behind us? Like, sweet.
It's a little bit further than that.

Speaker 1 I think it's probably like 50 million. Yeah.
But, like, I don't know. Maybe a couple billion years.
It's just mind-blowing, all of it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How does that help science?

Speaker 1 Well, this is what happens to Hank when he hears something that's so like enormous and the magnitude of it is too hard to comprehend that your brain goes into fight or flight mode and you're just like, no, fuck you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Scientists and objects.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do they do? Yeah,

Speaker 1 the spin rate stuff makes sense. Like, that's a real problem.
If there's two things that Hank absolutely knows nothing about, it's geological time and vaginas.

Speaker 1 Just abstract theories to him. I don't, I don't, whatever.
Why would I know what an object was back then?

Speaker 1 I do now.

Speaker 1 All right, my who's back is us, PMT. We're back.
Grit week, we're back.

Speaker 1 And also, we're back because I, you know, every now and then we get a couple tweets here and there where people are like, oh, you guys are recycling guests or you don't have new guests.

Speaker 1 We, you know, Will obviously had Aaron on the bus on Friday. So we had a few people being like, PMT could never.
I just want to remind you, we've been doing this for seven years.

Speaker 1 We do three episodes a week. We have three guests a week.
Sometimes you got to slap everyone around and be like, just shut up. Still got it.
Just still got it.

Speaker 1 We know what we're doing.

Speaker 1 I know that people want to pretend that like we don't know what we're doing whatsoever i here's the the best way to put it i when people might think like we don't care i spent the majority of july being nice to aaron rodgers via text message trying to get this interview i had to suck up so much

Speaker 1 being like ha ha aaron yeah like we should do an interview it was torture for me and i was doing it for the awl so next time you're like oh you guys don't you you don't have it anymore Like, you know, I need more of this guest.

Speaker 1 Don't worry. We're always working on it.
We're always working on new guests, new people. Again, show me a podcast that does three interviews a week for seven years.
There are none. We're like swans.

Speaker 1 We look like everything's going smooth above the surface, but you get under that water and you just see feet just kicking, kicking, kicking. Dude, it's we're we're always kicking.

Speaker 1 I'm going to look up how many times I had to fucking say ha-ha to him. It's fucking like liking messages and shit.
Dude,

Speaker 1 I had to suck up my pride because there was multiple times where he's probably doing ayahuasca and I had to, I texted like there was like six blue bubbles in a row and I was just like, this fucking sucks because I'm just, and I even, we even were going to try to go to Austin to interview him.

Speaker 1 And at one point, we had it planned. And I was thinking the whole time in the back of my head, like, he's just going to set me up.
Like, we're going to go down there.

Speaker 1 He's just not even going to be there. I would actually, I would have respected that a lot if he had just pranked us, if he had told Evander Holyfield on us.
He just fucking dominated me via text.

Speaker 1 I did it for the AWL.

Speaker 1 So next time you think you want to go on the Twitter machine and be like, you guys suck, you don't have your fastball, just remember I'm probably completely emasculating myself to some guest for you.

Speaker 1 You think I want to be emasculated by Kevin Durant every day? The last couple weeks, you've been working hard on Aaron Rodgers and you gave me your first-class seat. Yes.

Speaker 1 Like this has been an all-time week for you. Which, now that we've, now that we went on the plane, I don't, I regret it so much.

Speaker 1 Hank, Hank saw me squeezed into this seat, and I was like 26F, and Hank just was laughing in my face because I was, it was,

Speaker 1 as Hank said, I have size issues. I did not fit in this seat.

Speaker 1 And the worst thing that ever can happen on a plane, well, I guess a plane crash, but the second worst thing that can ever happen on a plane. It really happens on the ground, not on a plane, though.

Speaker 1 Falling asleep. on a plane and waking up and you haven't even taken off the fucking worst yeah I took like a nice 20 minute snooze woke up and I was like wait we're still in fucking New York

Speaker 1 for a brief second I was like yes I did it I didn't really mind it that much because I just had two glasses of champagne I kicked my feet back a little bit reclined it was it was lovely up there now if you're saying hey PFT why'd you sit first class it's grit week well first of all it wasn't my choice big cat forced it upon me no I gave it second I tried to give it back to big cat when we boarded the plane today and big cat was like no no you take it and kept walking through the aisle and then I said, Well, I'm going to give to Hank if you don't take it.

Speaker 1 And then Big Cat stopped. He was like, Wait, don't, because he sleeps the whole time.
I was like, We'll split halfway through. And then PFT on a four-hour flight texted me with 30 minutes left.

Speaker 1 Oh, you see, the time gets shorter every time the story gets told. It was an hour left.
I did fall asleep.

Speaker 1 But you could have texted me.

Speaker 1 In my defense, it was the grittiest first-class seat possible because it was the very front row, no TVs. No seats, no TVs.

Speaker 1 I had to put my backpack up in an overhead storage bin, so it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows up there.

Speaker 1 The second glass of champagne was slightly small.

Speaker 1 They kind of shorted me on that pour. And then the dinner was

Speaker 1 a little salty. Yeah, I saw them walking the dinner back by all of us, like in the tray.
I was like, fuck, I really don't know. You know, the flight attendants absolutely hate you guys.

Speaker 1 They hate everyone that's not sitting in first class. Oh, yeah.
Like open disdain.

Speaker 1 Even if you had texted me like 30 minutes after takeoff to be like, let's switch, I wouldn't have been able to because I was that wedged into my seat. It would have taken so long for me to get out.

Speaker 1 You know what I really wanted to have happen? Is I should have texted you like an hour in.

Speaker 1 Chances are, you'd probably say, No, no, I don't want anymore, just so that you can still have that card on me.

Speaker 1 But if you had tried to take it and gotten up to the front and then taken my seat, and then the flight attendant kicks you out. Oh, you can't do that.
That's what I wanted.

Speaker 1 I wanted to get to sit down and then get kicked out of first class. I'm happy because I made it here, and the next time there's only one first-class ticket, I will take it.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I'd like to give you that ticket next time. Thank you.
Thank you. All right, Billy, your who's back? My who's back is food challenges.
I am coming out of retirement. Yes.

Speaker 1 It's finally been a long enough time since I think it was the cheeseburger incident where I'm ready to do it again, and I don't remember how sick it made me feel. So I'm going in this 1,000%.

Speaker 1 So how many are you doing? I think as many as we can do. Four? Five?

Speaker 1 Some are saying that the real food challenge is doing five.

Speaker 1 Depending on our schedule, I think we can do three. So I got three spots.

Speaker 1 So you've already failed the five food challenges.

Speaker 1 Well, I never.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I'm hyped. It's going to be exciting.
I've been, you know, tonight's a big prep night for me, so I'm going to have to be eating a lot. I'm actually taking these very seriously.

Speaker 1 Seriously, I'm very excited because I love watching you compete and get bodied by food. It's the best.
It's so much fun. I think it was undefeated against it.

Speaker 1 If I pick up a dove, I'll go to the beach. Oh, that's what I told you.
Remember when this all started?

Speaker 1 I was like, Billy, this is great content because chances are you're going to continually get bodied. But when you do win one, people are going to be so pumped.

Speaker 1 I mean, I might fail the first two, but those will help me to the third. Correct.
And it's like. I'm also interested to know what you're doing to train tonight.

Speaker 1 You said that you're already putting in work. I want to know what that looks like.

Speaker 1 Stomach expansion is a big one. This past week, I've been eating a lot.
Nice. I've been chugging water.
Yeah, me too. I'm going to be really good at this food challenge also.

Speaker 1 Did you see the 19-ounce burrito? Are we going to do that one? Yes, next one.

Speaker 1 how long you have you have. The timing is gonna be hard.
Two minutes. 19-ounce? Shut up.
Two minutes. But it's 19 ounces isn't that big.
Two minutes. Yeah, two minutes is two minutes.

Speaker 1 That's a little bit over like a beer can. Yeah, yeah.
But it's too much. Just dislocate your jaw like a snake.
I ate a Philly, I ate one of our pardon my cheesesteaks in one minute.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, that's a TikTok. Cool.
That's pretty good. Yeah.
Oh, you do deep throat, actually?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was a minute and 12 seconds. No gag reflex on our board.
6 inch or the 12 inch?

Speaker 1 A 6 inch. Oh, yeah.
It's just

Speaker 1 an average size cheese. Good journalist question there, Jake, because that was...
We just glossed over that fact. I thought I could get away with it.

Speaker 1 But I'm absolutely piggy out tonight. Okay.
Oh, you're a mirror star. Yeah, I'm going to do it.
Love him. Love it.
All right, Jake, who's back? And then we'll get to Aaron Rodgers. My who's back?

Speaker 1 The water dogs. These guys are on fire right now.
Yeah, they are. They started 0-3.
They have won won five straight at 5-3. I told you.

Speaker 1 Oh, you know what? I'll do it right now. Means, just send this to him.
Water dogs, I apologize for absolutely nothing. You fucking suck.
You're going to continue to suck. You're not going to win shit.

Speaker 1 I know that. You're on a nice little winning streak.
You probably played the worst teams in the league. Once you get to the playoffs, you're going to fucking suck, and I'm going to laugh at you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just want to apologize. Send that to him.
I think I creeped him out a little bit on Saturday because I tried to motivate them, and I wanted them to get some interaction online.

Speaker 1 Did you put peanut butter on your balls? No,

Speaker 1 I said that if they didn't win, I would poison one bag of dog food somewhere on the eastern seaboard.

Speaker 1 And then, like, I kind of joke. Well, I am joking about that, but I hope.
But they don't. They're a very brand safe Twitter account sometimes.

Speaker 1 So they see that and they're like, oh, I don't know what to do with this information about this podcaster threatening to kill a dog if we don't win. Fortunately, they did win in overtime.

Speaker 1 There was a switch.

Speaker 1 The water dogs switched whoever runs that account because last year

Speaker 1 they were like our subs. We were their dom.
Like we just made fun of them. They took it and they loved it.
This year, it feels like they don't really like the fact that we make fun of them constantly.

Speaker 1 I got a text from somebody that works. I'm working in for the day being like, yeah, fuck, one of these guys tweeting again.
I got a text from somebody that works at the PLL being like, hey,

Speaker 1 just so you know,

Speaker 1 I think the person that runs that Twitter account is a little freaked out by your tweet. I was like, don't worry, I'm not actually going to kill a dog.
If they win,

Speaker 1 they're also, by the way, the PLL has,

Speaker 1 did you see their throwback? We need those. We need the throwback jerseys.
It's obviously there's, you know, to last year?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's what it would have been if they played the PLL existed in the 1980s and they did, uh, it's like champion throwbacks.

Speaker 1 Paul, I know you listen to every second of this podcast. Send us all some throwback water dog stuff.
So they're in fourth place right now. They beat top three teams.

Speaker 1 Oh, so we're celebrating that they're in fourth place.

Speaker 1 Regular season, bro. They're not even a wild card.
Who they beat the fucking snakes? The Whip Snakes are 7-1. They're only lost to the Water Dogs.

Speaker 1 Not really. They lost to the Water Dogs.
I know, but that was just an off-game thing. If this was the BCS, the Whip Snakes would be out.
You can't lose to the Water Dogs. You just lost to Purdue.

Speaker 1 It's true. Yeah.
So two weeks left of regular season heating up. Wow, PLL.

Speaker 1 Paul really should do the BCS

Speaker 1 for the PLL. Get people mad about rankings.
Yeah, just do a computer rankings and have it only be a two-team final. Like, don't have a playoffs.

Speaker 1 Oh, I have a vote as a media member for the postseason awards. Oh, we'll be taking that.
Yes. Thank you.
Is that ethical?

Speaker 1 Thank you very much. Is that ethical? Yeah.
Because

Speaker 1 he's not a owner. Technically, you're not an owner, but I'm not an owner either.
I never filled out the paperwork. But you do work with the owners.

Speaker 1 Yes, but not on the team.

Speaker 1 Side. Yeah, yeah, I filled out that paper.
I don't work with the team. It took me like a year and a half.

Speaker 1 And then finally, Paul got so mad at us because he's like, you know, this is actual paperwork and they're outstanding shares. Yeah, he did.
And for legal reasons? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it took like three or four different emails for him to really impress that on us. And it took like one second once you actually logged in.
So, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Anything else? A lot of former Denver University players on the Water Dogs. Cool.
Guys were in Denver. Okay.
Nice. Well, beautiful.
Black Hawk. Blackhawk.
Yeah. Blackhawk.
Blackhawk.

Speaker 1 I said it blackhawk. What are you saying? No, that wasn't

Speaker 1 cell phones that you were. Did you say Black Hawk? Blackhawk.
Blackhawk. Blackhawk.
Blackhawk.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we have him. We got him.

Speaker 1 It is,

Speaker 1 he's won one Super Bowl, which we can get into because I have the theory that if you win one Super Bowl, you actually have none.

Speaker 1 He is a four-time MVP of the league. He has an 11-10 postseason record,

Speaker 1 one in four in NFC Championship games. I'm just introducing you.

Speaker 1 One of the best quarterbacks ever, Aaron Rodgers. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't really know where to start other than like, how dare you?

Speaker 1 How dare you?

Speaker 1 Big Cat, we'll not ask you any questions that aren't threatening, so I'll start it because we ask everybody this question. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I forgot about that. I got blinded.

Speaker 1 What does grit mean to you?

Speaker 1 Wait, are you recording this? I know you like to, you don't trust the media. Do you have your own tape player on? Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 What does grit mean to you?

Speaker 2 It means you're from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Okay.
That's actually an answer we haven't had yet. That's a great answer.
And it's true.

Speaker 2 That's what's been ingrained in me since I was a second-year player in the league. I've been surrounded by Pittsburgh people, everybody from Mike McCarthy to Tom Clements

Speaker 2 to Ben McAdoo, Dom Capers, Darren Perry,

Speaker 2 Frank Signetti,

Speaker 2 a lot of Pittsburgh people. And all they talk about is just toughness.
Yeah, that is Pittsburgh grit.

Speaker 1 Putting fries on sandwiches. Wait, so are you saying that you miss Mike McCarthy?

Speaker 2 I love Mike McCarthy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So

Speaker 1 why don't you marry him? Why don't you have him back here? Have him be your coach?

Speaker 2 I think he's doing pretty good in Dallas.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 1 All right, so we're going to sidetrack. We've got a lot of stuff to get to.
I can't wait. Did Mike McCarthy ever smash a watermelon in front of you? I never saw that, no.

Speaker 1 Okay, because he did that with the Cowboys and they won a big game. And we were wondering if that was like a party trick he pulled out for all of his teams.

Speaker 2 No, I haven't seen that. Okay.
He never did that in 14 years.

Speaker 1 Are you a little disappointed that he never thought highly?

Speaker 2 I am disappointed. Now, we did do a lot of fun things.
The McCarthy Olympics was one fun thing that we did every year in training camp, but no watermelons.

Speaker 1 What's involved in the McCarthy Olympics?

Speaker 2 There was a dunk tank. There was a penalty shot.
We had it at his property.

Speaker 2 He, obviously, like anybody would in Green Bay, bought a 30-acre property and then spent who knows how much money building this big berm so nobody could look at him on one side of the road.

Speaker 2 And then he bought up all the houses around him. So he had just a massive property.
So it was, you know, there was like a 100-yard golf shot. There was a soccer thing.
There was indoor basketball.

Speaker 2 There was golf, you know, long drive. There was three-point competition.
There was dunk tank. There was lawn darts, you know, all the good stuff, beer chugging, which I would have won probably.

Speaker 1 Whoa, I've seen that bug scares. That's, I don't know.
I have that written down. You can't chug a bunch of people.

Speaker 2 I'm going to take all your information and just put it out there, so you can't do anything.

Speaker 1 I have a feeling that you've done some opposition research going into this interview.

Speaker 2 No, of course not.

Speaker 1 I don't believe that for a second. You're confident enough?

Speaker 2 What's opposition research?

Speaker 1 You know stuff about mostly him, I would imagine. I do, yes.
Yeah. So you.

Speaker 2 Caleb told me a lot. Listen.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's just cut through it.
Put our cards on the table. If you had to go to jail or prison, which one would you pick?

Speaker 2 What's the difference?

Speaker 1 Well, jail's probably a little lighter than that. You're like in prison.

Speaker 1 County jail? I've said, see, listen. Maybe you like the Manhattan correctional facility with like a real jacked-up former cop as your cellmate for another?

Speaker 2 Yeah, from what I've read, I think if anybody in this room, and I don't know some of the other people in here,

Speaker 2 and Tom has a sketchy past, but I think you would probably be most likely to go to jail between all of us anyway.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah. I have committed some crimes.
That's fine. But I also admit to the crimes I commit where you don't.
And you kind of skirt around it. But listen, I'm actually very

Speaker 1 realistic about you as a player. I've always said you're a very good quarterback, very good quarterback, even league MVP four times, right?

Speaker 1 I do think that you are, you should be in jail or prison, and I'm fair to say you get to pick. I think jail's better than prison, so you can have that and I will meet you halfway.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Well, I'll work on it. Let's do it.
Let's try a different angle. How close were you to retiring?

Speaker 1 Be honest.

Speaker 1 Close. I don't know.
How close is close?

Speaker 2 I was thinking about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, Jeopardy, that would have been cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would have been cool. Yeah.
Did you want that job?

Speaker 2 I did.

Speaker 1 I feel like it's a thankless job, though, because that's become one of those shows where no matter who's hosting it, it's almost like the Jeopardy community loves to nitpick.

Speaker 1 at the host and be like, you're not Alex Trebeck.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, I mean, that's the case. And I would say for many of the shows that I grew up watching, that is definitely the case.
You know, price is right. Nobody can ever beat Bob Barker.

Speaker 1 Best show ever.

Speaker 2 But I will say, one guy who's transcended all of that and even surpassed Louie Anderson, who nobody thought ever could, is Steve Harvey with Family Feud.

Speaker 1 He's America's host.

Speaker 2 Family Feud. You know what I mean? That show went through so many different people.
And although they didn't maybe have one iconic host other than Louie,

Speaker 2 I think Steve definitely did that.

Speaker 1 So I was actually like, you know, like I said, I'm actually fair with you. You might think I'm not fair, but when you were, you know, saying that you wanted to...

Speaker 2 No offense, but I don't watch your stuff.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 My what? We don't think about you at all. Yeah.
Okay. All right.
So

Speaker 1 either way,

Speaker 1 that's fine. You don't have to watch anything.

Speaker 1 But I was.

Speaker 2 I'm a big Portnoy fan. Like I'll watch his pizza reviews and cookie reviews and ice cream reviews.

Speaker 2 You never think about us.

Speaker 1 That's fine. I wanted you to have the Jeopardy job.
I was pushing for it.

Speaker 2 Just so you could slam me or?

Speaker 1 No, I wanted you to have the job so you could be happy. And because clearly you don't like playing football, so it's like, let's get this guy happy.
Oh, I'm a humanitarian.

Speaker 2 You want me out of the NFC north?

Speaker 1 I got it. I also would like to say, like, I saw your golf game.
See that? Yeah, I don't know what's going on there.

Speaker 1 I saw your golf game. Liv is offering a lot of money.
So, have you thought about that?

Speaker 2 $150 for last place seems like a pretty, pretty fair. It's a strong offer.
Fair offer.

Speaker 1 So, we were actually just talking about this the other week. We all have a number.
Like, Saudi Arabia could give me $100 million.

Speaker 1 Yes. Instant yes.
What's your number?

Speaker 2 Probably around Tigers' number.

Speaker 1 $800 million. So there is a chance.

Speaker 1 I'm going to make some calls. I'm going to work my ass off.
Everybody's got a price.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's true.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We've all got a price. I will work my ass off to try to get Live or Jeopardy or anything you want to do.
I'm an Aaron Rodgers fan.

Speaker 1 I'm going to make sure that you're happy doing anything besides football.

Speaker 2 In three more years.

Speaker 1 Ooh, okay. So you're saying you're going to retire after three years?

Speaker 2 Maybe four. Oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 You're never going to retire. You're never going to retire.

Speaker 1 Wait, I just got one follow-up.

Speaker 2 Are you you really sensitive about what I said last year after I scored that touchdown?

Speaker 1 Okay, let's get into it.

Speaker 1 So you said

Speaker 1 I own you. I fucking own you to the city of Chicago.
The city of Chicago has $38.7 billion of debt. So are you going to pay that?

Speaker 2 That's a good one. I mean,

Speaker 1 you own us.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 I don't think I'm

Speaker 2 saying that about the entire city. Now, maybe Soldier Field, every fan who was flipping me off, you know, that negativity that was kind of coming my way.

Speaker 1 There was a pretty substantial FCC fine that came Fox's way. Do you own that fine?

Speaker 1 You can't just say fuck on TV. I don't think it's.

Speaker 2 It's supposed to be a 10-second delay. So I think that's out of my hands.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I actually own you because I'm a Packers owner. Facts.
So I own you, you own him.

Speaker 2 You own a piece of paper that has

Speaker 1 an actual value.

Speaker 1 I actually stole it from our goldfish. So our goldfish owned you.
Then he died. Then I inherited the share.
Now I own you. You own Big Cat.
So I kind of, I guess

Speaker 1 I inherit that debt.

Speaker 1 Okay. Do you feel bad for what you've done to my friend Big Cat?

Speaker 2 No, I don't.

Speaker 1 At all. Like, not at all.
Because, like, I don't know if you can see that. I think he's conflicted.

Speaker 2 You know, he's conflicted. It's kind of like Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker.
Remember, you know, he's like, I can feel the conflict within you.

Speaker 2 And he says this fake statement, like, oh, there's no conflict. I'd move on.
Inside, he went to Wisconsin. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I hate you, though. I hate that.

Speaker 2 He's seen some of my all-time best moments on the field, not only at Soldier Field, but also at Ford Field.

Speaker 1 So I was a Lions fan for 24 hours. But deeply.
And I went to go help support the Lions fans to try to beat the Packers. And then you threw the Hail Mary right in my face, directly in my face.

Speaker 1 Like I said, you've tortured me. They had me on the way over here.
They were like, what's the worst moment, Aaron Rodgers versus the Bears? And I just started listing like a laundry list.

Speaker 1 And it goes on forever. Do you get extra, like, do you, do you actually relish in the fact that you beat the Bears the way you do every single year? Yes.
Fuck. I mean,

Speaker 1 I knew the answer to that.

Speaker 2 Because it's a great sports town. You know, if we're beating up on a town that doesn't have great sports history, it's like just another win.
But Chicago is Chicago.

Speaker 2 You get 100 years of Bears football, almost, right? You have the Chicago Bulls. I grew up a Bulls fan.

Speaker 2 You know, back on my old TV, we had like seven dials, you know, and you had to like hit it just right with the antenna doing.

Speaker 2 We could get WGN, so we could watch, you know, Cubs baseball and Harry Carey. You know, that was like iconic and Bulls basketball.
So we're like,

Speaker 2 I grew up watching Chicago sports.

Speaker 1 So, all right, what's your favorite memory? I'm just going to do this because everyone's going to want to hear it. What's your favorite memory of beating the Bears?

Speaker 1 What's your favorite Bears all time?

Speaker 1 Because there are a lot.

Speaker 1 I actually like, weirdly, I'll tell you mine first because there's, you know, Randall Cobb was terrible. The NFC championship game was terrible.

Speaker 1 When you faked, you had an injury with Khalil Mack that first half and you came back.

Speaker 1 Weirdly, though, the one that just kills me the most, because actually Hank and Dave, we were in Arizona for some college football thing, and we watched Sunday Night Football.

Speaker 1 It was a game that you put up like, I think you guys were up 42-0 at half. And they just laughed at me for an entire half.
And they're like, how do you watch this?

Speaker 1 That one hurts, I think, weirdly the most. So what's your favorite? Go ahead.

Speaker 2 Well, that one hurts because it was 42, whatever, at halftime, and I'd thrown six touchdowns. Yeah.
And the record is seven.

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 2 Mike was and Mike was gonna sit me

Speaker 2 and I was like ah how about one more possession

Speaker 2 he goes okay one more so we got down to the nine yard line and threw it three times three incompletions so Ben don't break yeah

Speaker 2 so we went up 45 nothing yeah all right so what's your favorite probably

Speaker 2 2013.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Only because I came back from my collarbone. Randall came back from his knee injury.
And then

Speaker 2 somehow it was for the division. You know, after so many things happened, you know, for us to be able to be in it.

Speaker 2 And I believe that Detroit was still in it the week before, then they had a bad loss to somebody. So then it came down to like our game.
And,

Speaker 2 you know, neither team, I don't think, was great that year.

Speaker 2 But we're still playing for a home playoff game. And I start off, I threw a pick to Chris Conte

Speaker 2 on a rollout, and I'm like, shit, like, is it going to go like this

Speaker 2 tonight? And then I threw another pick to

Speaker 2 Jennings in, I think, the second or third quarter. And then we had that weird, fluky pep, you know, cause the fumble, and Boykin picks it up, and nobody's doing anything, and he runs in the end zone.

Speaker 2 And on the last drive, we converted

Speaker 2 three fourth downs, you know, fourth and like inches on a dive play, a fourth and three on a throw to Jordy. But that last one was pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 So what,

Speaker 1 this is terrible.

Speaker 1 I actually hate that I'm doing this. This is actually my least favorite thing I've ever done coming here right now.
But

Speaker 1 you look good.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 2 No, I mean, sometimes... No, I mean, you know, I know that we've all struggled with our own issues, and I know weight's been kind of up and down for you, but I feel like you look at the bad.

Speaker 1 Well, you don't watch anything I do. No, I just heard.
Oh, okay, okay. You heard about the weight.
All right.

Speaker 1 You're looking good.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 When you saw,

Speaker 1 like, what did you see when Chris Conti was just not there? Were you like, holy, did you, did you think you were hallucinating? No one's ever been more open in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 2 You have to understand, you have to put it all together. I think people throw blame on Chris or Mega

Speaker 2 or whoever it was on that side. I think Bowman was outside as well on the play, but you guys brought seven, and we blocked with six, right? So there should have been a free guy.

Speaker 2 So it was really the rush pattern that got you. On the back side, Evan Dietrich Smith and I believe that Josh Sitton did a good job of blocking like two or three.

Speaker 2 And then John Kuhn comes over and cuts Julius. So I guarantee on the defense that they were expecting the ball to come out quick.
That's why they were playing at 10 yards.

Speaker 2 In fact, there was probably an illegal contact on the play. I think Major Wright just dropped Jordy, who was in number three in that spot.
But

Speaker 2 that was a fun feeling.

Speaker 1 He was so open. He was so open.

Speaker 2 Well, because they're playing for

Speaker 2 what they should have done was changed the they should have changed the call. I I mean,

Speaker 2 I knew what the check call was.

Speaker 1 Okay, was that one of those plays where

Speaker 1 when you get up to the line, you see what they're doing, you just know it's a touchdown?

Speaker 2 No, I don't know it's a touchdown at all. I was literally trying to throw it hot to Jordy, and then I felt John come out because I didn't think he was going to block Peppers because he was...

Speaker 2 Pep should have been the free guy in the play. But John was smart, and he saw that Evan and Josh had blocked those guys, so he came over and cut Julius.

Speaker 2 So question off of that, real question, which is why I think Major hit Jordy, because I was going to throw it to Jordy on the stop route. route.

Speaker 1 So off of that real question, real football question, at what point in your career have you been able to be like, I just see everything better than, like, you know, I know what the defense is going to do.

Speaker 1 I've done this so many times. Like, you almost feel like you're playing at a higher level than everyone else.

Speaker 2 It takes a long time, and I don't ever feel like that. I don't think consistently.
It's more certain teams you play or certain defensive coordinators, you start to get in a rhythm.

Speaker 2 And even in a game, they ran that same pressure, I think, two other times with the same signal.

Speaker 2 So we came out they did a signal I made a check and was thinking about throwing a hot to Jordy now it all just came together because John made a great block and it shouldn't have been like that but you can get into a rhythm with seeing certain things.

Speaker 2 I think the most important thing for a quarterback is to figure out what I'm doing and once you can wipe your mind from that To be able to see what the defense is doing takes you to a whole nother level because then you're reading the fronts, you're seeing signals, you're hearing things out there that you might not hear if you're just thinking about what my guys are doing and what this guy's doing and this guy's doing.

Speaker 2 You know, it's playing on the other side of the football is how you kind of take that jump.

Speaker 1 Because it does feel like it at times where, again, there's going to be a compliment, but like you are, you're seeing things and processing things so much faster than everyone else that it feels almost unfair.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's just us watching it and being like, holy shit, Aaron Rodgers, or you actually feel that yourself where you're like, I'm processing this so much faster than everyone else.

Speaker 2 I feel like that sometimes for sure. But it's just certain games.
Some games teams will be so good at disguise, you're guessing a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And sometimes you guess right and sometimes you guess wrong and there's going to be mistakes.

Speaker 2 But certain teams that we played over the year, you kind of feel the rhythm of certain guys and the alignments and the movements and different things to, you know, it's always a chess match with Brian Erlacher because he was so good.

Speaker 2 They would make everything look the exact same and then run a couple of different coverages out of it and he would change all his checks.

Speaker 2 So we'd be studying the checks the week before and have like three or four word identifications. And we get in the game game and he called the same word, it means something completely different.

Speaker 2 So it's, but he was doing what I was doing on the other side of the ball. He could play that game back to the offense

Speaker 2 and mess with you.

Speaker 2 But I feel like you and I can be like Brian and I, because Brian and I, we were on the field now, we were, you know, I can't say we were friends, but we were harsh competitors and I respected him and tackled him once.

Speaker 2 But he picked me off quite a few times. I think the most in my career is Brian picking me off three times.

Speaker 2 But now we're friends.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I spend zone, Brian.

Speaker 2 I feel like we could.

Speaker 1 These guys know, they see me watch. Like, I do really, truly hate you, but I also watch you, and I'm like, holy shit, like, the plays he's making are insane.
Like, that's a fact.

Speaker 2 I feel like we could hang out. We could, you know, have a Guinness and

Speaker 2 Pizza Pizza.

Speaker 2 Yeah, of course, Coors Light sponsor.

Speaker 1 Yep, yep, yep. I appreciate that.
I'll be honest, I like you. I don't like what you've done to my friend because you probably aged him like 30 years.

Speaker 2 Well, you're a Washington fan, so you don't care.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you don't watch anything that we do.

Speaker 1 You're right. I'm a nihilist, okay? Like I'm convincing myself to root for Carson Wentz this year.
That's how bad things have gotten. I'm actually a Commanders fan.

Speaker 1 Don't forget about that name change. But I do like you.

Speaker 1 I noticed that you had almost like a significant change in perspective over the last few years. You become, it seems like you're having more fun from what I've seen.
You're enjoying your teammates.

Speaker 1 You're enjoying the process. You're enjoying what you get to do while you're still able to do it, which I think is very cool.
And you have a good perspective on where football fits into your life.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people don't have that, especially from the outside. So I guess my question is, when did you first try ayahuasca?

Speaker 2 A few years ago. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Straight from the source?

Speaker 2 What source? Ecuador?

Speaker 1 I don't think it's me.

Speaker 2 I don't think I would be the source. Amazon.
Amazon. Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way, the tattoo looks better in person. Thank you.
That's another thing I admire about you.

Speaker 1 You're totally go-ahead. You're like, listen, if you want to put a needle in my arm and inject whatever you want in there, I'm totally on board with that.
I could never do that.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 I actually

Speaker 2 very, very important. I immunize this part of my body right here.

Speaker 1 Could you actually explain the tattoo? Because we're trying to figure it out when the picture came out and trying to analyze what it was.

Speaker 2 No, I think your analyzation is probably better than my explanation.

Speaker 1 You were just like, give me something cool. I actually, I did not make fun of you for the tattoo because I am, what are you, 38? No, you're, you're 40? Are you 42?

Speaker 1 You should probably retire.

Speaker 1 I, I do want to get a tattoo. I don't have

Speaker 2 what are you in your late 30s?

Speaker 1 I'm 37, yeah. Nice.
So I'm going to, why don't we retire together? I'll walk away from this. You walk away from that.
We'll just do it together.

Speaker 2 Yeah, sounds good. We both made enough money.

Speaker 1 Let's just fuck it. Let's get out of here.
Let's go play golf.

Speaker 1 Let's go play golf. Come on.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I didn't, I actually respect the fact that you got a tattoo so late in life because I want to get a tattoo at some point, but I don't, it's hard to be like the late 30s, early 40s guy and be like, oh, here's my first tattoo.

Speaker 1 Because either you're a tattoo guy or you're not, but you now are.

Speaker 2 I am, and I don't care

Speaker 2 about whether you like it or don't like it. No, I said I like it.
I would like you to like it because I like you and I want to like you, but I actually don't care.

Speaker 1 We think that it's cool. I think

Speaker 1 our analysis was what it looks like the inside of Kyrie Irving's brain.

Speaker 1 Nice. Yeah.
I also say I live in Brooklyn now, so I was like, yeah, humble brag. I basically see that tattoo every single day.

Speaker 2 Humble brag?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Brooklyn's a humble brag.

Speaker 1 Here's a real question. Huge brag.
Live in Brooklyn. A place that has like

Speaker 1 three million people. Yuppie.
Yeah. Can we run through some just like some football scenarios here? Because as big cat was saying, you watch.

Speaker 1 You see everything before it happens. You're playing seven-dimensional chess out there.
Yes. All right.
You score a touchdown. You're down 14 in the fourth quarter.
You score a touchdown.

Speaker 1 Time's running out. Do you go for two the first time or do you wait to go for two later?

Speaker 2 I like going for two later, but our analytics guy likes going for two now.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Another one, let's say it's fourth and inches at midfield. Coach sends out the punt team.
What would your play call be? A little hard count probably?

Speaker 2 Fake punt. Fake punt? Yeah, they'd never know it's coming.

Speaker 1 Okay, then the last one I had here hypothetically, fourth down at the eight-yard line. There's two minutes, nine seconds left.
You're down eight.

Speaker 1 You kick a field goal there, just take the points.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just take the points. Take the points.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. What was the line?

Speaker 1 I think it was three. Yeah, it didn't help us.

Speaker 2 You guys were very upset about that. Yeah, you guys hit us in the points.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So every time we talk to your coach, LaFleur,

Speaker 1 we give him a hard time about that. And he's put all of it on you.
He's like, Aaron wanted to, you know, kick a field goal. He wanted to get off the drill.

Speaker 1 He didn't trust his arm. He was late.

Speaker 1 He was late for a flight to go hang out with Miles Teller in the jungle. Yeah.
So

Speaker 1 he wanted to get out of there. We're like, all right, fine.
It's credit to him. He's never said it publicly.

Speaker 2 I think maybe he was thinking, if I get three now, then we stop him, get three again, get on-site kick, and then another three.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 32 to 31.

Speaker 2 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Championship.

Speaker 1 But seriously, I was joking around earlier, but I have noticed that you've changed your perspective as your career has matured.

Speaker 1 Do you think that you love football more than you did when you first started playing in the NFL?

Speaker 2 I think I have a better perspective about

Speaker 2 life now than I did as as a 21-year-old, and I'm more of an appreciation and gratitude for still doing it. I mean, that's the reason.

Speaker 2 The other part is just,

Speaker 2 you know, people like Dan and others, you know, have created this idea of what I'm and what I'm about and who I am.

Speaker 2 Felon. Yeah, I should be in jail, arrested.
And it's been fun to, you know, do McAfee's show.

Speaker 2 be a little more open with the media, finally do, you know, this with you guys, and hopefully let people see a different side.

Speaker 2 But either way, I'm not trying to be anything other than myself. And I do, I think, deep down realize this chapter of my life's coming to a close soon.

Speaker 2 So I'm trying to enjoy it a little bit more than when you're 21, you're thinking you're going to play forever and 38, you're a fucking old guy.

Speaker 2 38, you're like, damn, like the years have really gone by and I'm thankful for it. You know, I want to leave this place better than I found it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to throw you a great retirement party. That's my promise to you.
We'll go hang out, do whatever you want. You just say the word.
Maybe next Saturday, we'll do it. All right.

Speaker 1 We're going to fucking hang out. Off that.

Speaker 2 And we're going to fly on that jet you flew in here on?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's grit, baby.
It's actually

Speaker 1 a body jet.

Speaker 1 You had me by the street. I mean, like, behind the scenes, people don't realize I had to basically beg Aaron for three weeks.
I was annoying him with text messages.

Speaker 1 I wanted to, like, kill myself every day that I had to text you and be like, hey, will you come on the show? But I will suck up.

Speaker 1 I will suck it up for the people. I got you.
The people want to see the.

Speaker 1 We were talking about it. There was a small part of me when we were going to go down to Austin.
I was like, he's probably not even going to be in Austin. And he's just getting me to fly there.

Speaker 1 And I'm just going to, we're going to show up.

Speaker 2 See, that's what you do. So you present this image of me, this perspective of me that's totally doesn't match the facts.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 we've been doing it for years. I'm going to give you credit.
You were very nice on text. You said I want to do it.
I just got

Speaker 2 for libel. And you can choose a cash payout or jail.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's gonna put you in jail. So you're down in Austin.
How was doing the Alex Jones show?

Speaker 1 No, you were very nice and accommodating. The media part, I do have a question off that.

Speaker 1 Do you get a little bit of like pleasure out of trending and having people like you've done some cryptic Instagram posts and some cryptic tweets.

Speaker 1 I think you're yeah, no, you're like there's been many times where you've posted something and I'm like, it's over. He's done.
He's leaving Green Bay. And like I get my hopes up.
Are you doing that?

Speaker 1 Like knowing you're just, you just like to rile the people up because you do it very well.

Speaker 2 Every now and then there's a situation where you might

Speaker 2 push the send button before

Speaker 2 counting the 10 and talking to a friend and making sure this is something you want to put out there. And I think we're all probably guilty of that.
You, for sure, I've read some of yours.

Speaker 1 I mean, do you want to get into the tweets?

Speaker 2 The one that Devontae was,

Speaker 2 him and I kind of put our heads together and, you know, wanted to stir some shit up.

Speaker 1 Oh, the last dance? Oh, that one had me so happy.

Speaker 1 I was telling everyone, I was like, it's over. It's over.
And it was? It's done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was. I guess it was.
He's in Vegas. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you said, like, you know, there's a certain image out there of you that you've tried to, well, you don't care really what strangers think necessarily, but it's not necessarily accurate. Big cat.

Speaker 2 I mean, Dan, yes, I do care about him.

Speaker 1 How would you describe yourself?

Speaker 2 I just, I think in general,

Speaker 2 I'd like to present myself how I see myself.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 unapologetically

Speaker 2 authentic.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 you like me or don't like me. That's not my concern at this point.
You know, my concern is just speaking the truth and,

Speaker 1 you know, and people say, oh immunization

Speaker 1 vaccination I did I said yeah a lot. Yeah, you did.

Speaker 1 How many people do you think you killed?

Speaker 1 What's your count? How many grandmothers? Let's just do grandmothers.

Speaker 2 I mean I know you guys are fucking right. I don't find that that part funny.
I really don't.

Speaker 1 Oh shit.

Speaker 2 You got John CNAT.

Speaker 1 No, yeah. Yeah.
No,

Speaker 1 it actually is one of my favorite things I was able to do off of that whole immunization thing is tweet that you should be in jail.

Speaker 1 And then I would have people who get the joke and then there would be like a ton of people who'd be like, oh, you like, you think COVID is so real, you should be in jail.

Speaker 1 And it was just, my mentions would just be a mess.

Speaker 2 And probably a lot of people said, fuck yeah, put him in jail.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
No, I have an army. Put that liar in jail.
Get him in jail. Get him in jail.
Get him in jail. Probably.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 A real question. Those are the ones you were all retweeting and liking.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I was like, yep, good point. Good point.
Good point.

Speaker 1 Real question. Kind of a grit question for Grit Week.
Please.

Speaker 2 Did you know, first of all, let me just, I just, I need to share this. I feel like AJ Hawk would never forgive me if I didn't.

Speaker 2 But in our old grading system, so we play a game and the next day, you know, every play is graded.

Speaker 2 At one point, went to this huge grading format where there was like 20 different things somehow that were graded. And I swear to God, on every single play, there was a grit grade for each player.

Speaker 2 Grit grade. There was a NM for needs more, an ST was standard, and then an alpha plus.

Speaker 2 Alpha plus. Yeah, you know, if you got that alpha plus grit grade, you probably did something fucking.

Speaker 1 That's a John Coon grade.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 He probably learned where's John from? In grit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh.
Yeah, yeah. Grit grade.
We got to start grit grading ourselves. Yeah, you do.

Speaker 1 All right, so grit grade.

Speaker 2 I would grade this interview on a grit grade schedule of standard of somewhere between ST and NM.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
So we got to

Speaker 1 get some time. Yeah, I don't want to be in the Alpha Grid Plus yet.
All right, so this is the real question.

Speaker 1 This will help with the Alpha Plus.

Speaker 1 Your story of getting to the NFL. So

Speaker 1 you were lightly recruited.

Speaker 1 I think I read that you at one point were thinking about just quitting football and going to be a lawyer, right? I was thinking about it. How close were you at that point?

Speaker 1 Because I just want to go home and fantasize about a different world where you just never played football. But how, because you stuck it out.

Speaker 1 And it is, you know, people think, Aaron Rodgers, your town is so out of this world, they don't think grit. But then when you read about, you know, having to start at Chico, it was Chico? Butte.

Speaker 1 yeah right right by Chico and then going to Cal and not getting all of those scholarship offers and like you know falling in the draft were there moments where you're like this just isn't going to work out for sure and it was when I think about there was like one day that kind of course corrected everything

Speaker 2 the it was in February of 2002

Speaker 2 and the baseball coach who had been my JV football coach had been kind of prodding me to maybe come out and play baseball and pitch. And I hadn't played since eighth grade.

Speaker 2 And so the pitchers and catchers were like playing catch on the black top or something. He said, oh, come out and throw a little bit.
And they had the gun out there.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 one day, I think, changed my kind of turned back on my competitive fire. Really? Because I came out of the winter, had no offers.

Speaker 2 I didn't really know what I was going to do. Obviously, the Jukos in the area wanted me to come play there, but when you growing up, you don't dream about playing

Speaker 2 Juco ball. You're dreaming about playing on Saturdays on ABC with Keith Jackson calling your game.
So you're not thinking about playing at Cowen Stadium in Orville, California in front of 500 people.

Speaker 2 Playing baseball that spring really kind of gave me my competitive fire back. And then I played in this all-star football game that summer.

Speaker 2 And I say all-star very lightly because it was Northern California and kind of north-south. There were only a few of us from that game who kind of went on to play in college.

Speaker 2 But that kind of gave me my fire back. I went to junior college at Butte, had a fantastic time, still very close with my coaches there.
And then the rest is kind of history.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 So there is like, there's an alternate world where if that invite doesn't happen, not saying that you would have stopped playing sports, but you might have been like, all right, I'm going to figure out something else in life.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, there's a world.
I was dealing with a major knee injury that was frustrating for two years in in high school. And I was like, maybe I'll just rehab and maybe I'll I'll get surgery.

Speaker 2 I don't know what I wanted to do, and then that day, kind of, oh, okay, let me get into this next challenge. How can I be the best pitcher this year? And that kind of got my mindset

Speaker 2 adjusted, and that competitive fire kind of came back.

Speaker 1 And what was that guy's name? I just want to know for personal reasons. I just want to call him up and

Speaker 2 Daniel Katz.

Speaker 1 Motherfucker. I want to build a time machine.
I want to find that guy. Yeah, stop that, man.
If I build a time machine, one thing I can do is find that baseball coach.

Speaker 1 Don't invite Aaron to practice today.

Speaker 1 Then you're a lawyer. You would have been a terrible lawyer.
Oh, my God. Really? Yeah, you would have been a terrible lawyer.

Speaker 2 I can just feel it.

Speaker 1 Nah, you just wouldn't have been a good lawyer. I just know it.

Speaker 2 It's all I got right now. Probably true.
I'm grasping.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 You got to hurt me with the Bears stuff. What's the worst loss that you've had? What's the one that stuck the most?

Speaker 2 Oh, the NFC Championship against Seattle.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was a very fun game from my perspective.

Speaker 2 If one play goes our way out of all these, you know, they don't call it offsides. I throw a pick to Sherman.

Speaker 2 Obviously downside kick, fake field goal, two-point conversion, you know, all the, there's like eight plays if one of them goes our way.

Speaker 2 We had a pick and the guy, you know, our guy slid down instead of running back inside the 30. And one of those plays goes our way.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 we win that. We played New England, who...
We had beaten earlier that year at home, but we beat them 26-21 that year. But

Speaker 2 yeah, that one hurts. That was a fun one.
Always going to hurt.

Speaker 1 I was just like, this is really happening. This is really happening.
Holy shit, is this still happening? And it just kept on happening. Do you have a photograph of Deborah? It was great.
It was great.

Speaker 1 I remember the bar I was at in Chicago. I was like, this isn't it.

Speaker 2 Tell me more about it.

Speaker 1 It was, so

Speaker 1 did you guys like run, you didn't run offense at the end of the game, right? Was there time left and you kneeled it? Or no? I know the on-side kick off.

Speaker 2 They scored. Yeah.
And then they went for two and he threw threw up that wild one, and somehow guy caught it and scored it. So we're down three.
Then we went down and got a field goal. That's right.

Speaker 1 You kicked a field goal instead of

Speaker 1 but there was moments where it felt like your offense wasn't, you guys were kind of playing not-to-lose situation towards the end where it's like, all right.

Speaker 2 Oh, the last couple of possessions. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that was one of my favorite parts. I was like, what are they doing? Like, they've been able to.

Speaker 2 Well, we'd got after them in 20 the entire game, in 20 personnel, so two backs and three receivers. And that was kind of the plan.

Speaker 2 And then we went, cut last couple of possessions in 22 personnel, so two backs, two tight ends, like a jumbo set, which, you know, Seattle's iconic, you know, one of the best defenses of the generation for sure, the last 30 years probably.

Speaker 2 The Legion of Boom, and people forget how good they were up front as well.

Speaker 2 And obviously, they had KJ and Bobby at backer, you know, they were as stout as can be, but they had a front that was pretty nasty.

Speaker 2 But we had found some things in 20 personnel that got after them pretty good. And the last couple of possessions, we didn't do it.
But

Speaker 2 as well as we played on defense

Speaker 2 that day, we picked him off five times. We had the ball inside the two twice and kicked two field goals.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Which obviously hurt. That was awesome.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That was hurt.
There were a lot of things.

Speaker 1 That was a great game. And then Russell Wilson passing overtime.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But where were you? Where were you? I was at a bar.

Speaker 1 I have a friend who's a diehard Packers fan. And as it was happening, I started to slowly move away from him because I thought he was going to legitimately punch me.

Speaker 1 So by the end, when Russell Wilson threw the touchdown, I was like basically standing in the doorway, like away from where we were sitting the whole day because I was like, he's going to try to fight me.

Speaker 1 And yeah, it was great. It was great.
And then he was just defeated and it was just beautiful. The whole thing.

Speaker 2 Can I ask you a non-condescending, in a non-condescending way, a question?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm going to.

Speaker 2 That question was.

Speaker 1 That was a rhetorical question. That intro question was a little bit condescending.

Speaker 2 It was rhetorical. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Truly, is it hard

Speaker 2 for you as a Bears fan that some of your greatest moments are cheering against me when the Bears aren't playing?

Speaker 1 Okay, good question.

Speaker 1 Very good question. No, it's actually great because what I've told everyone is

Speaker 1 I'm very realistic about the Bears. Not a great franchise.
Just don't do the right things for the most part. Every year I look forward to the playoffs and the game that you're going to lose.

Speaker 1 And I've told this story on the air, but like when you guys lost to San Francisco this year, we were watching the game in New Jersey and I drove back to Brooklyn, Brag,

Speaker 1 and I listened to Tausher, ESPN, Wisconsin. For three hours, I sat in my car.

Speaker 1 I had arrived home. It's a 20-minute drive.
I had ride home. I sat for three hours listening to callers be like, blow up Lambeau, get 12 out of here.
We need to build a dome.

Speaker 1 This team isn't built for the outside. And that was the highlight of my NFL season.
And I have no problem saying that because I know I'm a loser. That's the best part.

Speaker 1 I've come to grips with the fact that I'm a loser. So, yes, watching you lose in the playoffs is my, that's my Super Bowl.
And I've won a lot of Super Bowls, if you do it that way, more than you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like that spin zone I just did in my head. Yeah, I love it.
Yeah, I have a dynasty cook in there.

Speaker 1 Do you like playing in the cold? I do. Really? Because I know Brett was saying, like, he had that amazing record in the playoffs, and Lambeau Field was a place nobody could win in.

Speaker 1 And he hated playing in the cold, but you enjoy it.

Speaker 2 I do. I feel like it slows the rush down.
And I think that kind of evens some things out up front. So we play in a front that's really, really dynamic.

Speaker 2 Footing can get in the way, especially if you're playing in Chicago in the cold.

Speaker 1 That field's terrible.

Speaker 2 It's unique.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a sandpit.

Speaker 1 Is there like one coach that you go up against? And you know that, you know, we were talking earlier about how sometimes you can see exactly what's going on.

Speaker 1 Sometimes things are more disguised, but one coach that you know that when you play against them, they're going to throw some stuff at you.

Speaker 1 They're going to disguise things, and you're going to be a little confused.

Speaker 2 I think Todd Bowles has done a good job at that over the years. I think he's a really good coach.

Speaker 2 He has a

Speaker 2 you can always tell schematically what coaches

Speaker 2 are the best based on how the league adjusts. And offensively, you know, in this offense that we're in,

Speaker 2 there's like nine different teams running it now, and it started with Mike Shanahan and his son, Kyle, running it really, really well, and Atlanta going to Super Bowl, and then everybody copied it, and then there was a Seattle defense.

Speaker 2 I think you're seeing the Rams defense that kind of branched out across the league. There's probably six, seven teams running the same thing.
And then there's some teams trying to do what

Speaker 2 Coach Bowles does with the pressure package.

Speaker 2 Mike Zimmer, for a long time, was as hard as it came playing against because they had eat up looks, you know, double-A gap and and then double edges, and then they had every variation, both edge guys, four to his side, four to the other side, both inside guys, drop those guys out.

Speaker 2 And the best disguisers in the game, including, you know, Harrison Smith, who's been there forever, but the backers when Barr and Kendricks are in there, you know, and they had that front that played together for a long time.

Speaker 2 It was one of the toughest defenses to go against.

Speaker 1 Yeah, your coach was telling us before you came in, you know, one way to counteract that is by running a lot of motion on offense. He said you love that.
He said that you really enjoy it. Over motion.

Speaker 1 Over motion.

Speaker 1 Why is that? So we're idiots, obviously. I mean, you've heard us talk for the last 20 minutes, so you know that we're fucking morons.
Yes.

Speaker 1 No. But what is it? Interesting people, man.

Speaker 1 What is it about installing a motion offense that you're like, God, damn, this is kind of a pain in the ass. Because to me, it's just like you go out there and you do what the coach says.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, if he's smart and he knows what he's talking about, then yeah, you do what he says.

Speaker 2 He's one of the smartest in the game, but... That implies that you've maybe played for some coaches that weren't smart.
No, that's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 I'm saying if the scheme is smart and makes sense, then yeah, you do it.

Speaker 2 Sometimes in this scheme, and I tell Matt all the time, this scheme has flaws. I think this scheme

Speaker 2 is way different. I grew up on the West Coast offense.
The West Coast offense, I think, is the most beautiful offense ever created.

Speaker 2 It's about timing and rhythm and balance, and everything makes sense protection-wise. You know where your hots are, you know where your eyes are going every single time.

Speaker 2 You know how the concepts fit together. This is a schematic offense.
That was not a schematic offense.

Speaker 2 That was built on timing and precision and rhythm and guys being in the right spot at the right time and putting the ball in the proper number.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it started with Bill Walsh and Montana and Paul Hackett and on down to the iteration that we got to, and I loved it. In that offense, though, it's not predicated on motion.

Speaker 2 It's predicated on winning one-on-one matchups and then being accurate, throwing the football. And so that's what I grew up in.

Speaker 2 I marveled at Peyton Manning during his prime would run all two by two and three by one formations with no motion, just because he wanted to look at it and use this cadence variation to get movement and then be able to go with tempo as well.

Speaker 2 When you have so much motion, it's hard to get tempo going.

Speaker 2 You know, it's because you always got to make sure you're set and you got a motion, maybe a double motion, maybe this thing, maybe this adjustment off of it.

Speaker 2 I just like sometimes, and I tell them the same thing. I'm not telling you guys anything I wouldn't tell him.
I got after him a day because every freaking play there was goddamn motion.

Speaker 2 I'm like, can we run one play without a motion and pass so we can get some tempo going? Because I like to switch the tempos.

Speaker 2 But in this offense, it does put a lot of stress on the defense because you have a motion you have an outside zone look you have a guy sealing backside and we have off of that we have a run we have a screen we have a keeper we have an action pass so you have so many different looks off the same stuff that's why it works it's a little frustrating when you grew up in the west coast offense and your

Speaker 2 mindset is all about protection and X's and adjustments and different things when you're playing an offense that doesn't have a lot lot of those things and maybe could use it at times.

Speaker 2 And also, when it kind of fucks up the protection schemes and lanes and identification sometimes, it just makes it

Speaker 2 you know, it makes it a little

Speaker 2 extra strenuous sometimes on the quarterback.

Speaker 1 I'm starting to think you might know football. A little bit.
Do you think football is beautiful?

Speaker 2 I do. I can tell.
When done right, yeah.

Speaker 1 What's the most beautiful play?

Speaker 1 Good question.

Speaker 2 We used used to run this play many, many times. Unfortunately, hit the bears against it a few times.

Speaker 2 But hard play action to the left, half roll back to the right, and then a double move by 87 off the front side with some sort of adjustment, you know, some sort of complimentary route, either a deep cross or a kind of a throwback route.

Speaker 2 But it was the weave, like corner post, off of hard action. And we probably hit it for, I don't know, seven or eight touchdowns over the kind of three or four year span.

Speaker 2 And when that one comes clean and, you know, safety goes and doubles the X, and Jordy's, you know, up there and running this corner, and you just know he's going to be wide open.

Speaker 2 I think that's pretty play.

Speaker 1 Shit. I mean, you can tell, like, that, yeah, that's football is beautiful.

Speaker 1 We know you got to go in a second. We got a couple more questions.
We'll wrap it up quickly. Thank you, though.
I do appreciate your time.

Speaker 2 I appreciate you guys coming up here.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, I mean, we dropped it.

Speaker 2 I hope it's all a write-off, and you guys, you know, are run out of podcasts.

Speaker 1 David pays for all of it. David, good.
Dave pays for it. Yeah, thank you, Dave.
You think the bar still fun was going to restaurants?

Speaker 1 um all right favorite we'll go quick here favorite throw you've ever thrown is it the one against the cowboys

Speaker 2 i like that one i liked the couple in the super bowl that felt good but my favorite throw is the one that you got to witness in detroit just because i don't think i've ever thrown a ball that came off that good and went that high and that far you killed detroit dawn his soul left his body If you watched the video back, like he literally, his body, he had no spine, he had no bones, he just collapsed.

Speaker 1 You killed that man.

Speaker 2 He's still alive there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is still alive, I think. But he

Speaker 1 like spiritually.

Speaker 1 He made it back.

Speaker 1 The worst part about that, before that video, they were doing the math on how they were going to make the playoffs. They're like, we win this game? Win that.

Speaker 1 And I was like, all right, guys, but it's fucking Aaron Rodgers. Like, this is not over.
And then you did that.

Speaker 1 All right, let's wrap up with a couple of last questions.

Speaker 1 Is the discount double-check, the championship belt, you think that's a little ironic now since you haven't won one in a long time? Yes. Okay.
All right. Good answer.
Good answer.

Speaker 1 Let's see. What else do we have? Oh,

Speaker 1 do you think that if the NFC North was a better division, then you'd have better success in the playoffs? Is Big Cats or is Bears actually not preparing you enough?

Speaker 2 No, I think the question. The North is a tough division.
It's a gritty division. I think we can all agree on that.

Speaker 1 It is gritty. Okay.
When you said that the 49ers were going to regret not drafting you,

Speaker 1 when they're 4-0 against you in the playoffs, is that regret or is that, what is that? What would you describe that as?

Speaker 2 How many Super Bowls have they won in the last 18 years?

Speaker 1 Doing the math right now. I mean, the lights went out.
That kind of screwed them. Oh, no, that actually helped them, I think.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. And they didn't win that one.

Speaker 2 They also had one of the most iconic defenses in the last 30 years as well. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 And didn't win any. A 4-0.
When you're dropping down on draft day, are you like doing the math? Like, please, God, somebody picked me before Washington?

Speaker 2 Well, Washington would have picked Campbell, I think, anyway.

Speaker 1 You think so? Ooh.

Speaker 2 Supposedly, they liked him more than they liked me.

Speaker 2 I was honestly thinking

Speaker 2 when the Raiders trade up at 23, I was like,

Speaker 1 here we go.

Speaker 2 Maybe take somebody else.

Speaker 1 When it's Green Bay, and you know the situation that you're going into, it's, you know, Brett Favre's the guy. Yeah.
Also, it's cold, you're Caliboy. Yeah.
Were you at first like, oh, shit?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 2 I mean, I couldn't have picked it out on a map, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 And I feel like I'm pretty good with states and capitals and geography, but the Packers was the worst interview at the Combine. So it was at the Combine.

Speaker 2 I was sitting in front of a group like this, but Camera right here, Mike Sherman,

Speaker 1 the whole room.

Speaker 2 And it was a tough interview. I feel like they were grilling me.

Speaker 2 I thought this was like, you know, a little like love session where we're kind of loving, you know, you're loving me up a little bit, and I'm kind of, you know.

Speaker 2 being you know nice and funny maybe but it was not that and i came back i was like well doesn't matter they're picking 24th i'll never last that long

Speaker 1 damn another sliding doors moment.

Speaker 2 Famous last word.

Speaker 1 I love asking athletes this, what's the one thing that fans just totally get wrong in terms of your day-to-day, like season, life, everything? This is where you can basically sub-tweet everyone.

Speaker 2 It's a grind, but it's a balanced grind. I think

Speaker 2 a lot of guys like to talk about, you know, oh, I'm up at 5.30 watching film and doing this and grinding all night. That's overkill to me.

Speaker 2 You know, as somebody who's had success in the league, It's a it's balanced people always like oh your schedule must be crazy like I got to talk to you in the offseason.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no like Wednesday and Thursday are busy and you Tuesday you're working on the plan But the schedule in the NFL is pretty nice and we're creatures of habit. We love the routine

Speaker 2 It's a mental grind,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 It's not a crazy I feel like there's traditional grains when you're watching film too. It's like you can watch eight hours of film a day and at some point you start to phase it out.

Speaker 1 You can't watch eight hours of anything.

Speaker 2 You can't. No.
Why would you want to do that?

Speaker 1 Do you have anything in your contract saying you have to watch four hours over the course of a week?

Speaker 2 I don't.

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Just Dash PMT and Shea McClellan. Yeah.
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Speaker 1 Yes. Well, thank you, Eric.

Speaker 2 She actually apologized after that. It was a nice apology on the field.
That was 2013 on the field before that game. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that was a great moment when you got hurt.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was for me personally. I don't root for injuries.
But when they happen, what are you going to say? No?

Speaker 2 Let me just say this. Let me ask you a question to finish this.
2018, right? I go down the first quarter.

Speaker 2 And then Mac has picked six, sack fumble.

Speaker 2 It's 20 to three.

Speaker 2 20 to nothing.

Speaker 2 And then you see me come back on the field. What are you thinking?

Speaker 1 I think my tweets at the time were like,

Speaker 1 Mac is the best player on this field. The Packers have no answer for this defense.
The Bears are going to ruin Aaron Rodgers' life for the rest of his career. And then you came back and you did that.

Speaker 1 And yeah, that was a bad one. That was a really bad one.

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Speaker 1 you're 23 and 5 against the bears

Speaker 1 am i gonna allow him to do that yeah he just alphaed you on dane campbell is the only one that's allowed to call me that why because he's an alpha plus

Speaker 1 he's got a lot of grit yeah he does yeah

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Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 that was Aaron Rodgers. Again, I really think he was trying to win me over with kindness.
I'm not not going to let it happen. He said he really likes you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But also doesn't consume any of your stuff. But then also noticed my weight and also said, remember Ford Field.
Also, the NFC North just has no respect for the dead, and I kind of don't.

Speaker 1 Him and Dan Campbell just dead naming me left and right. Yeah, that's true.
That's disgusting. Well, actually,

Speaker 1 it does make sense that Aaron Rodgers would not have respect for somebody's brother. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 That's absolutely true. Which you made that joke.
I didn't because I have always been like, I'll try to get you in jail.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you that that you're the biggest piece of shit ever, but I'll never make fun of your family. Oh, well,

Speaker 1 I guess I'm the asshole. Yeah, you're the asshole now.
But I will say this: I do think we will probably have him on again. Like, I thought that went well.

Speaker 1 I've conversed with him a little bit afterwards.

Speaker 1 A little bit of tight time, too. A little tight time.
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 1 Definitely go longer.

Speaker 1 Oh, we could have done two hours, but we had, you know, it was actually we got there and he had practice and then a meeting, and he came and let us interview him during like his like 45-minute break.

Speaker 1 So it was it was a tight time.

Speaker 1 We got the little wrap it up that was like, I have like 15 more questions. All time, all time great.
They're like, all right, one more question. And you guys squeezed like, I think 10.

Speaker 1 That's, yeah,

Speaker 1 people don't see that part, but when Hank, when Hank does, I'll always notice Hank in the background because he has, shout out, shout out the PR for the Packers, Tom, who's very nice to us.

Speaker 1 We met him a few years ago when

Speaker 1 he had us there there for LaFleur. And also, Peggy knows him well.
Peggy does a great job with us. But Hank got the notice from Tom that we had to wrap it up.

Speaker 1 Hank gave me the wrap it up, and I was like, yeah, yeah. And then I just kept on going.
Kept on going.

Speaker 1 He's like giving me the look. I'm like, you saw him say it.
He acknowledged it. Grit week memory.
That's all I can do. Grit week memory about that.

Speaker 1 Like back in the day when we finally got Harbaugh and

Speaker 1 JT, his guy who I'm still keeping touch with, good guy. He doesn't work there anymore.
But afterwards, he pulled me aside.

Speaker 1 He's like, hey, when you asked for this interview, you said you only needed 20 minutes and then you took an hour. He's like, what happened there? I was like, yeah, sometimes we just get carried away.

Speaker 1 Well, also, Harbaugh liked doing the interview, so he didn't want to stop you.

Speaker 1 He was more asking me, he wasn't mad. It was more of like, how'd you do that?

Speaker 1 What kind of Jedi mindset?

Speaker 1 I'm going to be able to stop the next people who do this. Well, we just lied.

Speaker 1 That's our trick. Yeah.
Although, I don't think that we intentionally went into it being like, we're going to go for an hour with Coach Arbaugh. No.
It just happened.

Speaker 1 This one with Rodgers, we had a hard out, and we pushed to the limit.

Speaker 1 He probably was eating lunch in the meeting. Yeah, no, he was leaked to his meeting.
He didn't get to eat lunch and then go to the meeting. Like, he was probably in the meeting eating.

Speaker 1 I was thinking about that. Could we get him fined? That would have been great.
Or how sick would it be if he didn't learn a specific play because he spent too much time with us?

Speaker 1 He missed something very important, and then he fucks up against the Bears. Yeah, or the playoffs, that's fine.
We learned that too.

Speaker 1 Yep, he got, thank you for having my back there in that moment when he's like, It's pathetic that all you care about is my losses. I was like, dude, I got it.
I got a lot of Super Bowl rings.

Speaker 1 I got like fucking 10 of them. Um, okay, let's do it.
We're gonna do Mount Rushmore of NFL coaches you want on your side in a fight in honor of Grit Week. Uh, who goes first? Who won last time?

Speaker 1 You guys did. Also, shout out to me and Billy.
We didn't get last for the first time. Yeah, this is the cornback.

Speaker 1 Hey,

Speaker 1 hang hang the banner.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, you guys do need a banner for you. That momentum.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 Who came in last place then?

Speaker 1 Well, there was a bet where people wanted to see Billy or Big Cat.

Speaker 1 I didn't retweet that. Yeah, I didn't retweet it either.
Yeah, so we proved what we were saying all along. You said we were a system Mount Rushmore team.

Speaker 1 Wait, do we have to bleep out the MR word? What?

Speaker 1 Oh, you got what? You go first?

Speaker 1 No, no, no. That's not how it works, memes.
Memes trying to go first. I say we go first.
Idiot memes.

Speaker 1 We'll go first. Who do we want to go second?

Speaker 1 Let's have Jake and Billy go second. Okay.
All right. So you guys will go third.
Our first pick is Dan Campbell. Yep.
Easy pick. Easy pick.
Easiest pick in the world.

Speaker 1 I think he still does get into fights. Yeah.
Oh, definitely. Wearing the grit hat, like talking about biting kneecaps.
He's doing the up-downs. He's...
Hard knocks tomorrow. Also, tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Hard knocks, yes. Meet and greet.
Meet and greet. Yes.
Where is the meet and greet? What times? I believe it's called Tom's. Tom's.
It's right next to to Coors Field. Okay.
Are we doing 5 to 7?

Speaker 1 I think we're going to do 4.30 to 6.30. 4.30 Mountain Time.
Yeah, 4.30 to 6.30. Hard out at 6.30.

Speaker 1 We apologize if you can't get there by 6.30, but we do have to get to our host's house for hard knocks. You can't miss hard knocks.
I understand.

Speaker 1 And also, I think the Rockies game starts at 7, so most people are probably going to be going in the Rockies game. So 4.30 to 6.30, come say what's up.
We'll be there. There's a food challenge there.

Speaker 1 Oh, Tom's at the Tom's Walk bar.

Speaker 1 great yeah so you'll just be doing that to the side no that's perfect i think okay there's a food challenge you did it with billy with an offer here's a little tip content tip there's a food challenge every place we go okay because we can come up with one the best i will say billy did he did a good job prepping he said the lists and like maps and locations and stuff and i was like going through with him at the airport and the and the one there's like a steakhouse and he's like it's just like a really nice steakhouse and i was like what's what is the challenge he's like well they they definitely have a challenge

Speaker 1 i was like you just want to go i was like we we definitely can go there. It's good to have good restaurants to find.
But

Speaker 1 this is just a steakhouse he wanted the boys to go to, which I'm down to. He also should go.
Rocky Mountain Oysters. Yeah, can you find a lot of those, though, here?

Speaker 1 Can you eat the most expensive steak on the company card challenge?

Speaker 1 Damn, did it. All right, so Dan Campbell's our first,

Speaker 1 easy first pick. I think Dan Campbell could actually step in if...

Speaker 1 If he, like, they didn't draw attention to him entering the game wearing a full uniform, and you just put him like on the defensive line.

Speaker 1 I actually think he could get two reps in before people were like, who's that guy

Speaker 1 playing defensive tackle? Yes, yes. Okay, you guys have next pick.

Speaker 1 Vrabes. Okay, that was easy.

Speaker 1 That was easy. I was going to be so mad if you guys fucked that up.

Speaker 1 Easy. And no disrespect to Vrabel.
It's just that you got man Campbell to compete with now. I think also, yeah, like Vrabel

Speaker 1 is easy number two. It's more that Dan Campbell, I feel like he just has less to lose.
And he cries, too. Yeah.
Like anytime that somebody cries openly is not afraid. I can't see Vrabel crying.

Speaker 1 I feel like Vrabel, if he started to well up with emotion at the podium, he would just like break the microphone in half and leave. Right.
And Dan Campbell is like, he channels that emotion.

Speaker 1 And also, Mike Vrabel is very successful. Like, he's won Super Bowls, he's coach of the year.
So there's got to be a part of him, like,

Speaker 1 why am I even in this fight? Whereas Dan Campbell, the fight is the most important thing in his life at that moment. Yep.

Speaker 1 This one I think is also pretty obvious, but might not be to the naked eye. It's Sean McDermott.

Speaker 1 Okay. We had him on the list.
He's a little pit bull.

Speaker 1 He was a back-to-back national prep champion wrestler, like all-time good wrestler. He had a 61-0 record surrendering just one takedown.
Wow.

Speaker 1 So if you get in a fight, how many people that you're fighting know how to wrestle when the wrestling guys you see in the UFC all the time, you can be a great fighter, you could be a great striker, you could be strong as shit.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, the guy takes you down. There's nothing you can do.
Never for some reason, unbelievable. Never.

Speaker 1 I had some friends that wrestled for a couple of years in college, and they were by far the last guys that you wanted to fight with. And they're always the first guys you want to try to get a fight.

Speaker 1 And they know they just know how to angle. Because they're so calm.
And they're usually the small guys that

Speaker 1 says, oh, they can't do anything, and then they will just pin you. They're so calm.

Speaker 1 They can get you on the ground, it's over. Like, if they get, if they get Dan Campbell on the ground, it's over.
If they get Vreble on the ground, it's over.

Speaker 1 Like, there's nothing, they're getting taken down, and they're just going to be choked out. They're just used to physical contact all the time.
Yeah. They're very comfortable.

Speaker 1 And then this one's more, a little bit more of an obvious one, just size matters. Doug Marone.
From the basement.

Speaker 1 He's not in the business.

Speaker 1 Fuck. Fuck.
I mean,

Speaker 1 you should lose your pick. That should be a vacated pick.
Yep, the Vikings. That should be a vacated pick.
Fuck.

Speaker 1 No. Who's choosing? Who does that memes? No, I think you get a pick at the end of the draft.
I think it's like

Speaker 1 we skip you and you come back. You still get to do four.
Yeah. But I mean, that's...
That's tough. It's not hard to.

Speaker 1 He didn't coach last year. It's not hard hard to have.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Urban Meyer is right.
You guys are right. Yeah, you guys are right.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we'll come back and you'll get another pick. Sure, my bad.
Yikes. Memes is bad.

Speaker 1 Big yikes. Wait, was it me you memes?

Speaker 1 No. Damn.
I said it. So anxious throwing memes under the bus.
No, I mean, I said it like memes supposed to be my guy. Oh, wait, so he didn't tell you that you were wrong.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 That's a team. Bad job, memes.
That's a team thing. Okay.
You guys next pick. Fuck.
All right, we are going to continue the mic train with Tomlin. Shit.

Speaker 1 We thought we'd get him later. He's intense, yeah.
Yeah, that's a good pick. I feel like he's...
Mike Tomlin's a good guy to have on your side in a fight because he could just look at the opponent.

Speaker 1 Or trip. Yeah, he could trip him.
Good call. But people would just walk away and be like, I'm not fighting that guy.
PFT, I feel like we have just great pick.

Speaker 1 I think we take the list I sent you back when we did the just NFL coaches. I think we should go with three and four there.
Yeah, I like that a little bit. I mean, that's easy.

Speaker 1 Why don't you go with three and just

Speaker 1 right in Billy's face? Sala. Yeah.
So easy. So easy.
Dude is jacked as hell. Shaved head.
A little Vin Diesel action going on.

Speaker 1 He's got long arms, too. I feel like he could choke you the fuck out.
He's got good reach. We thought

Speaker 1 the guys wouldn't take him. We were going to have him later.
Yeah. Yeah.
You're not

Speaker 1 easy pick. The guy's got fucking muscles for days.
And does he live in a hotel?

Speaker 1 Still, maybe. I think he's got a house now.
He might have a house now. But anybody that lives in a hotel for months at a time, they can usually handle themselves.

Speaker 1 Okay, our next pick, another former player in the NFL, been around forever. Todd Bowles.

Speaker 1 Todd Bowles. Washed.
What? Washed?

Speaker 1 You're lashing out. Todd Bowles would kick your fucking ass.
Also,

Speaker 1 he played safety in the 90s.

Speaker 1 Do you know how violent of a person you have to be to play safety in the NFL in the 1990s? That's an intense dude, too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're just mad because you didn't realize that fucking Bruce Arians isn't the coach anymore.

Speaker 1 Doug Marone. Oh, man.
I mean, we love Doug, but he literally hasn't been the coach in a year and a half. Hank is flustered.

Speaker 1 That's how bad that dick is. Yeah, I know.
I understand. It would be one thing

Speaker 1 if it went Doug Marone to Doug Peterson. It's like you got your dougs crossed up.
You skipped Urban Meyer's entire two-win season. How could you?

Speaker 1 All right. The boys are talking.
Go ahead, Billy. Sean McVay.
What? He's

Speaker 1 high energy. That's a terrible guy.
No, that's not a terrible guy.

Speaker 1 That's not Jerry. He's going to quit this podcast for real.
He's probably one of of the most physical.

Speaker 1 I thought we were coming in third, and now I'm like, all right,

Speaker 1 we can stay.

Speaker 1 We can fight back. But Sean McVay is...

Speaker 1 Whose pick was this, Jake?

Speaker 1 He fucking goes into his salon and he manicures his facial hair. I green lit it, but it was Billy's idea, but I will take some responsibility, too.
He definitely can bring the heat.

Speaker 1 Like out of all the coaches,

Speaker 1 older, like he's going to still bring the heat. No.
Like, he's ready, willing, and able. No.
He's a fire starter, energy guy. No, dude, he's a Hollywood dude who takes his shirt off now.

Speaker 1 Was your fourth pick Cliff Kingsbury? No. I think Sean McVay is a little more physical than you.

Speaker 1 Sean McVay is smaller than I am. He's

Speaker 1 no, I've stood next to Sean McVay

Speaker 1 quite a few times.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is.

Speaker 1 I've been there for those times. For those standings.
Those standoffs.

Speaker 1 I think you guys are wrong, but Sean McVay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 If it were like we had to pick every NFL coach, he would eventually get picked. But I don't think he's.

Speaker 1 What is this, like the ninth pick? There are 32 coaches. That's where I know top 10.
Yeah, Sean McVay's top 20, but not top

Speaker 1 9.

Speaker 1 I think he's one of the most physically able coaches. Okay.
He's not going to fuck you, bro. Hank, you have two.

Speaker 1 I mean, these don't count. Let's see if anyone here is still coaching.

Speaker 1 Hank's like Bill Parsons. Do You want me to just give the two picks memes, send me? Yeah.
Greg Sciano, Brett Bielma. Okay,

Speaker 1 so we had those on our list too for college.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Wasn't it Hank's idea to change it? Wait, Hank, you're your leader of this team. Take some accountability.
It was Hank's idea to make it NFL. Yeah, wait.
I think we would have said. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 I said that too.

Speaker 1 So why would you throw one of the bus there? Because he just texted me those two seconds ago after that after that debacle of Doug Maroon. It's all right.
It's my team, my responsibility.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it sounds like

Speaker 1 you got to run a tight ship now. Again, this is why I love Team Mount Rushworth because you were seeing Hank's true leadership.
It's why everyone says Barstool's going downhill.

Speaker 1 All right, we're going to go with

Speaker 1 another defensive beast coach

Speaker 1 on the battle

Speaker 1 on the way back, Ron Rivera. There we go.
All right, yeah. Good pick.
Former player. That's a good pick.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He got him on our list.
Big dude, physical dude, good pick.

Speaker 1 I said Ron Rivera, he said he vetoed me with McVay.

Speaker 1 I did not be aware of that. Here's the thing I pointed to Ron Rivera.
If you said Ron Rivera, I would take pointed to him.

Speaker 1 Ron Rivera's two Sean McVays. I know, I know.

Speaker 1 He could completely lead the shit out of Cancer.

Speaker 1 If Sean McVay wanted to pretend that he was Ron Rivera, he would have to get in a trench coat and go on Sean McVay's shoulders.

Speaker 1 Wait, Billy, did you just say that you didn't want to pick Rivera because you'd be able to get to the point of the game? No, no, I said he beat the shit out of Cancer.

Speaker 1 He'd be great to have on your team in a fight. Yeah, so why did you say McVay?

Speaker 1 Because I forgot about Rod Rivera.

Speaker 1 I pointed to him.

Speaker 1 Why? Well, then, why? Like, I'm fine. I'm sure Sean McVay beat the shit out of like Botox one day last year, where, you know, the next day your face hurts a little.
He came, he bounced back.

Speaker 1 Oh, Hanks, thank you. Good pick.
Want to throw memes under the bus one more time? No, memes doing great. Memes love memes.
Great guy.

Speaker 1 This is where it gets tough.

Speaker 1 This is the reason you did say NFL only. You said that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, this is the reason because it gets more contentious. If we did NFL in college, then everyone would just be like, you know, good pick, good pick.
There's enough to go around where it's like.

Speaker 1 Sean McVay gets picked in the third round. That makes it contentious.

Speaker 1 So for our third pick, should be fourth pick, which is going to get weird at the end, I guess.

Speaker 1 More so that he's not a psycho himself, but when you have to grow up with one of the all-time psychos in Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh is just like he's been through some shit. He's fought him all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's definitely got his experience.

Speaker 1 If it's an NFL coach fighting NFL coaches, like he has more experience fighting an NFL coach than Harbaugh's don't quit either. Right.
Like, he wouldn't quit.

Speaker 1 I mean, didn't Jim tell us the story how he was.

Speaker 1 Right. He held his head underwater in the ocean.

Speaker 1 And wait, did John, Where did John play?

Speaker 1 No, I was going to say. Somewhere in California, maybe? I don't even know if he played.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he played a D3.

Speaker 1 Probably Ohio somewhere then. Where did he play? Did he play? I'm pretty sure.
Didn't he play in the...

Speaker 1 Miami of Ohio. He played for the Colts.
No. You're looking at the wrong Jim.
Wrong Harbaugh. Yeah, Miami, I'm Ohio.

Speaker 1 Yeah, human body craves contact. It's a good point.

Speaker 1 He shares DNA

Speaker 1 with Jim Harbaugh. And he's had to fight Jim Harbaugh his whole life.
So it's like he might not be a fighter himself, but like he, again, yeah, he knows what it's like. Yep.
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 1 You pick your team in a fight. You need size, and that's why we're going with Andy Reid.
Okay. Good pick.
Good pick. No.
He's Yokozuno.

Speaker 1 No, he's Yokozuno. You just sit on someone.
He's old and he's huge. He will be huge.
Have you seen his stats? But he's not mobile. His stats, when he doesn't eat,

Speaker 1 he pushes his kick punch past when he's 13. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That man is fighter. Andy Reid.

Speaker 1 I think the argument for Andy Reid is, no, it's that it would never get to a fight if you have Andy Reid with you. Like, no one would be like, I want to fight that big fucking dude.

Speaker 1 Also, if you did get into like a big group fight, I feel like two guys have to be hanging off Andy Reid at any given time.

Speaker 1 Like when the Raptors take out the T-Rex in Jurassic Park at the very end, spoiler alert.

Speaker 1 That's like what you're looking at in that situation where Andy's got like two other coaches dangling off his arms and then it frees you up to take out the rest. Yes.

Speaker 1 All right, PFT, what do we want to do with our last one?

Speaker 1 It's tricky at this point. So, um, do we go for the brains? Yeah, I think we do.
I think, yeah, yeah, Bill Belichick. Belichick, yeah.
That was what I was, that's what I was debating. I, I, I,

Speaker 1 I thought if we took him, then one of you guys would probably take Harbaugh. Yeah, we would have.

Speaker 1 But he was, but Belichick was on our list. That's where I got, that's where the mispick fucks me.
Yeah, I think Belichick is the kind of guy that probably

Speaker 1 works out by boxing, recreational he's probably studied like Joe Johnson tapes from 1920 and knows like all the old he probably fights with the like fighting Irish leprechaun hands with the two hands yeah I also feel like he's a big time like pressure point guy like he could just walk up to you and like you would faint yeah he'd do the five finger like heart heart buster or whatever yeah he also he feels like he would be kind of similar to you know he's a little older now but

Speaker 1 Dalton in Roadhouse where he like sees all the angles and he sees a fucking guy with a knife in his boot before the the knife even comes out of his boot so that kind of shit yeah you need the mental side all right i feel great about our force is awesome our for great about our force how is it possible that we keep getting that hurt yeah you screwed up with the dung maron and sean mcvey we've talked about it but yeah no if that i if we had had harvon belchek and there are other two i think we probably don't win but whatever uh i mean yeah that's like the that you just tank the entire draft which is fine um

Speaker 1 so we got a choice i feel like we're playing mount rush more in like the old like 10 years ago AFC East. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where it's like me and Big Cat, you know, we might have a couple off days, but you guys, no, but you guys keep finding a way to like shoot yourself off. Yeah, right.
It's not.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, we made great picks. I did make a mistake today.
But this wasn't like this was anyone could have won this one. And there were just mistakes made along the way.

Speaker 1 You passed up a pick, and they put picks on me. And no one said you've won it.
And we've won. Yeah, I mean, really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
Here we go.

Speaker 1 We'll just go. I'm in between two, but I'm just going to.
One of the two. Why don't you just talk it out? Because it's the last pitch.
Well, yeah, I'll talk it out.

Speaker 1 It's Doug Peterson and Dable, and I just Doug Peterson. I'm just going to pick Dable because

Speaker 1 we almost took Dable and Smith. Yeah.
I don't really like Doug Peterson. I'm actually shocked.
So PNT and I had one other name that we were two other names we were throwing around.

Speaker 1 One, we thought everyone would forget. Lovey Smith.
Texans head coach. Definitely.

Speaker 1 Age definitely quite a factor for me. And then Nick Siriani, we were saying on the side text that Siriani definitely thinks he's rocky.
I think Siriani has a gun. Yeah.
A couple guns.

Speaker 1 I think he carries around a gun with him just when he's on the streets, just in case shit goes down. Yeah.
Mike McDaniel would have been a funny pick, too.

Speaker 1 Mike McDaniel, I think, would be like on the flushmore, I think McDaniel's one. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Like with the other ones. Flushmore, McDermott.
I mean, McVeigh. McVeigh.
McVeigh. Kingsbury.
Kingsbury.

Speaker 1 Kingsbury.

Speaker 1 McDaniel. Maybe Josh McDaniel's.
Definitely not doing much in a fight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think who else would be on the flush. There's got a lot of nerd coaches.
Brandon Staley, I like him a lot, but I don't know if he'd be the fight guy.

Speaker 1 Kyle Shanahan. Well, he's Kyle played receiver.
He's played Shanahan's got a little grit to him. He definitely has a knife.
Yeah. He's a knife guy.
He's got some grit under him.

Speaker 1 He's got one of those switchblades that just folds out. He just sits there just playing with it.
LaFleur, definitely on the Mount Floyd. He couldn't fucking beat up a fucking fly.

Speaker 1 No chance. Kevin Stefansky.
I don't think he's. No.

Speaker 1 He's too good looking. Yeah.
Who's the Bears coach? iber flus

Speaker 1 yeah i'm just taking him based on name of arthur smith yeah although he probably could take a punch with that with that jaw yeah or lack thereof

Speaker 1 it's like he's got a broken jaw well no he never mind he has no jaw and so when we originally started to do this we were talking about college coaches and i thought that your pick of shiano or Bilimo were two those are two that I had on the list there.

Speaker 1 I also had Kalani Satake because he's the coach at BYU. He actually, his chin just goes into his shoulders.
Yeah. He doesn't have a neck at all.
You cannot knock that man out.

Speaker 1 And when we were talking about college coaches, I had obviously Harbaugh, but then Jeff Brom sneaky for that XFL clip when he was concussed seven different ways.

Speaker 1 He was just like, gotta go back in there and play some football.

Speaker 1 In our early PMT clip. Yeah.
Super viral. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, Jeff Brom, Mount White Whale.

Speaker 1 I was joking. That was a joke.
Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 1 All right, you guys have any other thoughts? Any other thoughts?

Speaker 1 I mean, we were thinking Pete Carroll. Oh, Pete Carroll, I could see, you could convince me on Pete Carroll and just like, he's a fitness freak and he's got age.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, who also would be maybe the worst, like, worse than Mike McDaniel, is Matt Rule. He'd just be spitting on himself, just fucking puke.

Speaker 1 Like, he'd get punched in the stomach and just puke everywhere.

Speaker 1 I think Matt Ruhl would get into a fight and become so overwhelmed with anxiety, he would just faint like a possum. Yeah, he would just like lay on the ground perfectly.

Speaker 1 Although, I did remember, I think we were about to interview him once, and I read some stories about him.

Speaker 1 He did, um, he put when he was trying to turn around temple, he like put on the pads and like tried to fight his players. I love that, and like played

Speaker 1 bowl in the ring, he just gets knocked out. Yeah, he was trying to get some toughness with the temple team.
Who else we got? I don't know enough about Hackett.

Speaker 1 I don't know if Hackett could kick in the ass. Hackett, Kevin O'Connell.

Speaker 1 Probably not. Probably not.
Yeah. I don't know.
There's a lot of guys that are just like, eh, probably not.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Trying to think if there's anyone we missed.

Speaker 1 Going through the list in my head. Oh, Zach Taylor.
No. Oh, yeah.
I forgot. He went to a Super Bowl.
Yeah. No.
And again, I don't think I would recognize him if he were in this room.

Speaker 1 No, no, definitely not.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's do numbers. Send everyone off.
You got Rodgers? Two.

Speaker 1 Six to nine. Big interview coming Wednesday.
Grit week. Get excited.
Make sure you're following all the accounts. 26.

Speaker 1 8. Jonah?

Speaker 1 9? 81.

Speaker 1 I will do 27. Whatever number we get, we should play it in the roulette table.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 62. No.
Hit it again so we get our number for roulette.

Speaker 1 74. Hit it again so we get a number for roulette.
87. Hit it again so we get our number for roulette.
49. Hit it again so we can get our number for roulette.
70. Hit it again.
69.

Speaker 1 Wait, does that count? No.

Speaker 1 34. All right, 34.

Speaker 1 Playing 34. Yeah, that's not going to work.
Is there a red or black generator that you can hit? Just like randomly? Just flip a coin.

Speaker 1 Let's go eat some steaks. Actually, we should flip a coin.
We to get this boy's belly expanded.

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