Aaron Rodgers, Grit Week 2022 + Mt Rushmore Of NFL Coaches You Want On Your Side In A Fight

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On today's part in my take, Aaron Rodgers. We got him.
Going to jail. Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
We got him. We got him.
That's the truth. That was what I was putting on tweeting when we have yet to post a video.
Aaron Rodgers has been caught and compromised to the fullest extent. We got him.
We flew to Green Bay, a covert operation, kept it under wraps. This was on Tuesday, and we got Aaron Rodgers.
Great interview. Went into it being like, can't let him win me with kindness.
I feel i held my ground but i guess we'll see uh we are on grit week we're in colorado we're dealing with the high altitude it's awesome it's going to be a great week because we have a lot of uh awesome stuff planned we're gonna do who's back we're gonna do mount rushmore of nfl coaches we want on our side in a fight in honor of Grit Week and Dan Campbell wearing his grit hat. Ever had one of those days when it's just too cold to keep working? Nah, neither has Ariat.
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Let's ride, Broncos broncos country let's ride let's ride let's broncos country let's ride let's ride there were some people who thought that today's interview was gonna be russ wilson and it was uh that people were very upset about that but i'm saying let's ride let's fucking ride today yes we're hitting the south yes week yes we're in the southernmost state according to paul bissonette um yeah grit week seventh year grit week 2022 we're very excited we got some awesome stuff planned we're gonna make some trips all around uh the lovely state of colorado the sunshine state is that what it is yeah dumber dumber's Florida. Dumb and dumber.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Good call. Yeah.
We're in the Rockies. How many times are we going to say that? Extra high.
Somebody sent me something on Twitter earlier and said, hey, in case you guys are having an issue dealing with the altitude, apparently Viagra helps that. Ooh.
Shout out, Buda Ben. Do you remember? Shout out to a great week.
Yeah. Year one.
It reminded me of year one. We met Richie Incognito and we decided to play a game called Viagra Falls.
Yes. Because we were up in Buffalo where we just took like a bunch of pills that were like gas station supplements or like vitamins.
But one of them was Viagra and none of us knew who got to Viagra. We didn't get boners though.
Well, because Hank also threw up right after. So we think it might have been him.
Remember? Hank had to get the black water. Yeah, the gray water.
I think it's both. Out of the bus.
And he puked right away, right after we had done it. But yeah, this is crazy.
A little bit different setup than that one. Yeah, well, we should say, too, we are in the beautiful Ameristar hotel in Black Hawk, Colorado.
Come visit it. It's incredible.
So thank you to Penn. Penn Entertainment.
Do you guys see the change? No. Huge.
Yeah. New logo and everything.
We're expanding. Yeah.
Penn Entertainment. They've been taking great care of us.
We're only here for tonight. We're then going to get a little grittier.
Maybe a night in the bus. Well, they did put a mad dog in my room which i really appreciate i think i feel like that's one of those things icing hasn't been hot for a while but that's the equivalent of icing me when i see it i haven't drank a mad dog in probably a couple years and i feel like once once you hit like your mid-30s you should probably not be drinking gas station wine anymore however if it's put in front of me i feel like it would be impolite of me to not and it will go brazy up in the altitude it will go absolutely the two nights go brazy in the altitude the two nicest hotels i've ever stayed at in my life by far are the ameristar here in the lake charles uh place we stayed at for the super bears the best the best both pen properties the best part about when we stay at a pen property they they obviously make – they give us like a bunch of nice stuff when we show up, like a bunch of snacks and everything, and they personalize them.
Like you got a Mad Dog, Billy got corn, and then every time I go to my room, it's just the most amount of candy possible. So it's just such a subtle like you're a fat ass.
And obviously like I walked in and I just had a Twix bar and some gummy bears instantly so i mean it worked like it's not i didn't turn it down but it does hurt a little bit inside yeah no the candy is a nice touch the candy apparently also helps with the altitude sickness yes that's what i've been told just fill up on candy all right so grit week 2022 aaron rogers uh incredible interview coming up i can't believe we got him can i just say that I think I like him? I do not. I do.
I like him. I was nervous.
I was nervous about the interview, not because we've done a million interviews. It was that I knew he was going to try to win me with kindness, and he did try to win me with kindness.
And there was a moment where I kind of liked him, but I think I hate him now again. The only reason I kind of hate him is because the podcast about ayahuasca dropped the day after we visited him, so we couldn't talk about that.
I made a joke about ayahuasca to him, and he kind of admitted that he took it, and then I thought later, I was like, wait, did Aaron Rodgers just admit on part of my take that he took ayahuasca? That's going to be huge, and then fucking undercut us like a motherfucker he described his whole whole life with ayahuasca that makes that makes me like him a little bit less but yeah it was good you know this was a long time coming for sure one of the white whales yes we have on part of my take and the white whales are dying at an alarming rate yeah you don't we're running out of white whales we got to restock i was thinking about it because we were talking about it after. Like, what are the white whales?

Kevin Durant's still there.

Bill Belichick.

Tom.

Tom.

Which Tom?

Oh, there's Tommy Smokes.

I mean, he's the reality show king.

Hanks.

I think Jameis is a white whale.

I'll throw him in there.

Jameis?

Jameis would be so much fun.

He would be fun.

He's not the biggest whale out there.

No, but he's maybe a baby white whale. Like a smaller white whale.
He's a calf. Yeah, right.
Exactly. He's just swimming.
Yeah. Yeah.
Who else would there be? LeBron. Yeah, LeBron, definitely.
He's probably going to come on soon. I want to interview Pete Carroll.
Yeah. Pete Carroll's up there.
We still got some work to do. But this was a good one.
All right, so what else? There hasn't been a lot going on in sports other than, did you guys see Daniel Vogelbeck running around the bases today? It was majestic. Yeah.
And the Mets are as hot as possible, and the Yankees are completely dying, which hurts the Subway Series hopes of everyone. I think the Yankees will be just fine.
They're bad, but going to improve they're bad right now they're really bad right now what are you gonna say jake they still have 70 wins like they suck they're slumping right now but as pinstripe let me put on my pinstripe dan hat right now they suck blow up the team they won't even make the playoffs it's been the same team five years in a row yeah that's true uh don't look now i was in some replies earlier i just saw people saying that the Yankees fans falling apart so big cat your pick of the Mariners to win the world series that was my preseason pick preseason pick they're still in it my preseason pick from the NL is coming on strong right now the Phillies yes the Phillies are fucking good Schwarber yeah and uh when Bat's doing, he's editing some stuff right now, so he can't speak to it, but

he was just like, I think someone when we

got on the plane was like, Phillies look

good. He's like, dude, Schwarber.
And a little

part of me died. Yeah.
It really hurt when he

said that. And it's all of us.
Yeah, all of us.

He got a taste. I got a taste last year.

That's for life. Yeah.
It's still

whatever. I don't want to start

getting bummed out about the Cubs. That's what happens when Bryce Harper stops playing for your team.
You accomplish big things. Yeah.
You'll be back ready to mash soon. So, yeah, the Phillies.
Yeah, I mean, EPL started. Who cares? I care a little bit.
I watched a little. It's just good to have sports on in the morning when you wake up.
That's the only thing. It's like the NFL game in London.
No, it doesn't end before. It's the longest season in the world.
No, they take a break. They take a break.
Yeah. What's that eye roll for? You think that they shouldn't take a break? You think all the best players in the world should just...
Why did you eye roll? Or just figure out a season that isn't going to interfere with the World Cup. Well, usually it doesn't.
Well, the World Cup doesn't, yeah. It's because we decided to play a World Cup in the fucking desert.
It's because the slaves didn't meet the deadline in Qatar, and so they had to push it back. Air conditioning costs too much in the middle of August in Qatar.
Yeah, so I care, but not the first game. And also it's all on Peacock now, which is that extra step that's going to kill my ability to just turn it on.
You do the extra step. It's like, all right, you know what? I'll find something else.
I mean, cards on the table, this is really the only weekend that I care about EPL because it's the first one where I'm like, oh, it's back. I missed this.
And then I'm going to completely forget about it. Yeah.
Okay, so that was big. I had one other story.
I was talking soccer. I was talking soccer.
I had one other story before we do who's back. PFT, I read this quote to everyone before you got in the room uh did you see pete rose today i did was honored for uh the 1980 world series for the phillies did you see a reporter asked so a reporter asked pete rose a female reporter asked pete rose about um the allegations that he had sex with a minor back in like 1970s.
And he replied, no, I'm not here to talk about that. Sorry about that.
It was 55 years ago, babe. Yeah.
The babe at the end is just, I mean, what else would you expect from Pete Rose? Yeah. He also apologized for that after.
And he said, will you forgive me if I sign 1,000 baseballs for you for you did he really say that p rose still the only guest that has requested us pay him correct to come on to part of my take he also also went on the broadcast and uh i think they're probably regretting having him on the broadcast because this was just i'm gonna pull up real quick a quick snippet of him on the broadcast. This is the Phillies broadcast.
He joined them in the booth. I hit a cock high fastball.
And Joe didn't know what to say. Joe said, no shit.
This is all the broadcast. Talking about hitting cock high fastballs.
I mean, this is what, you're not going to expect, like, an eloquent response from Pete Rose about anything. No.
He's just going to be like, do you have money for me? Yes, right. I still gamble heavily.
How many balls can I sign for the max amount of money? Yeah. That's all I need.
How many baseballs can I sign to get myself out of a statutory rape charge? Yes. He was probably pissed that he had to go to Philly.
You know, Saratoga's running Del Mar. Like, he'd probably want to watch the horses i would expect that pete rose's answer to a question like that would be well how old is she now like 55 yeah oh no he said the other part was he's like you weren't even born yet you shouldn't care about things that you weren't born for hank hank's somehow yeah hank's like you know world war ii was a complicated conflict We weren't alive for it.
We didn't get to hear both sides. Yes.
Okay. There's a lot of nuance there.
Disavow. Any other stories? I mean, this is the lull of training camp, right? I feel like this was the weekend that every team had their family night or like, you know, fans got to show up, take a video of one player getting cooked.
Yeah. One awesome play like yeah look at our team's gonna be awesome this is when they need to do bark at the dog at the ballpark yeah where they have all the dogs invited yeah like every team it should actually be a night across the dog should be on the field dog night yeah let him run let him take shits everywhere michael vick is like the whole nine you guys came up with this a little too late for me yeah so i the only other news that's out there is deshaun watson suspension being appealed and goodell designated his assigned like hearer of the suspension who's definitely just going to do whatever roger goodell asks him to do um so that's probably going to happen next week at some point yes that's about it yeah i just think him and brit Griner should trade punishments.
Yeah. That one guy.
Yeah.

I mean, yeah.

Brittany Griner did get her.

Was it Friday that she got?

Yeah.

Like six weeks.

Okay.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

Six weeks seems reasonable for her.

I also like my content brain.

Brittany Griner should be freed.

She should be back home.

It's fucking ridiculous.

But I was thinking that like if Batgirl does something bad and we do a free Batgirl hashtag. Yeah.
And get a little cross pollination. So free BG.
That would be good. Well, we're talking about our Batgirl, not Brittany Griner.
Yeah. She should be free.
It depends on who arrests Batgirl if they have somebody that we want to get back in exchange. Yeah.
Because that's what's going on with Brittany Griner right now. She got the big sentence, which is like 10 years because she couldn't be traded back until she was sentenced correct and now they've got her for 10 years so it's a lot of leverage and now putin's asking for like the god of war yeah it's a merchant of war merchant of death he's an arms dealer there's actually people now grading the trade yeah people like this isn't a fair trade no i ran into the espn simulator yeah it's like we got to least get some cap space back yeah this is bullshit uh billy what were you gonna say uh there was a crazy viral video of jordan davis absolutely blowing up jason it was it was so remarkable to see a guy like that get pushed back 10 yards yeah i mean jordan davis is jordan davis is like every time i see a picture of him, he looks so young and he's so big.

Yeah.

And he's so fucking.

How do you look running to the sideline, Billy?

That's the big question.

Yeah, that is a big question.

Did he have stamina?

I didn't see him hustle back after the play.

Okay.

And also I was just going to say that with Jordan Davis,

that was the pick of the draft.

There were actually,

I'm going to put it in the same category as the Ravens

when they just get great players that fall to them.

Yes. When the Eagles picked him, I was like, why is he still on the board why did they get him yes and I did make a future bet on the Eagles and Ravens which is probably stupid because it's based solely on the draft yeah but whatever yeah that might be a better thing to do like two years from now yeah whatever I mean that's okay yeah opportunities now Billy did you see Zach Wilson catching a ball with one hand hand too? That's pretty cool for the Jets that everyone's getting excited about their quarterback catching a ball.
He did with his tips of his fingers. I know, and everyone's like, holy shit, Zach Wilson, beast mode.
But he's got to throw it. Brady can't do it.
Superman catches bullets the same way. Yeah, but again, he's got to throw it, not catch it.
Who cares? If he does like a Brett Favre and throws and catches his own interception, he'll be in a good spot. He had an amazing last day at camp.
Oh, great. He had zero incompletions.
Wow. How many completions? I think he went 15 for 15.
Oh, I was hoping you were going to be like four. Well, those are always the best stat lines to come out of training camps when it's like, okay, yeah, a ball didn a ball didn't touch the ground yeah yeah probably because he was going up against the second team defense i would imagine and they're all scripted plays and the defense has like maybe doesn't even know they're doing the most impressive thing that i saw was earlier today out of the chiefs training camp their safety their safety kicked a 65 yard field goal what oh that was your respect sorry hank okay i've got got several, so I can give Hank one more.
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Alright, Hank.

Who's back was actually Cody Parkey.

Because Justin Reed

hit a 65 yard field goal

and then some classic ricochet

NFL fan form.

All the replies were just like, no one showed this to Bear fans.

No one showed this to Bear fans.

That seems like a long time ago

but it's still one of those things.

You never know.

It was a crazy Thank you. fans.
No one showed us to bear fans. So that, but that was like, that seems like a long time ago, but it's still one of those things.

No,

anytime.

You never know,

but not even a doink.

It was just,

it was,

it was a crazy long field goal.

Yeah.

I mean,

what you need to have happen is somebody to miss a field goal in more

spectacular fashion.

Probably won't happen.

Right now.

That's the most heartbreaking field goal that we have in recent

memory.

So until somebody fucks it up worse,

then that's,

that's just what we're going to go with.

Yes.

Um,

I was back to Choco Taco.

Oh,

good. Who's back.
Yeah. Thanks.
Uh, they said they're bringing it back. then that's that's just what we're gonna go with yes uh my other who's back is the choco taco oh good who's back yeah thanks uh they said they're bringing it back they just hurt that stay whoa yes i mean that was time they went morbin time that was an a genius choco tacos going more they just reminded everyone the choco taco rules yeah and then everyone was like pull it away please no please don't take away my beloved choco taco right it's all i have going for me in this shitty life and now all you'll think about when you see the choco taco you're like i gotta get it before it runs out you never know right they should just announce that they're discontinuing it and then just never do anything to it and have it just constantly be in stock the same amount that it is right now yeah but it'll just fly off the shelves we're discontinuing billy talking on part of my take that no that's real, though.
We're discontinuing part of my take.

This is the last episode ever.

We're retiring.

Thank you guys for listening to the last episode.

We said if we ever got Rodgers.

The last seven years.

Yeah, we did.

It's meant a lot.

I said, yeah, if we get Aaron Rodgers on this show, I'll never do another podcast.

Someone's going to write an article and they're going to think it's real.

No, this is real.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

We're quitting.

Glass Beagle.

We're on with it. Yeah.
All right. You're who's back uh well hank stole mine with choco taco but my other who's back of the week is earth earth is back uh there was an article that came out last friday that said that the earth is now spinning faster than it has before whoa so specifically on June 29th, midnight arrived 1.59 milliseconds sooner than expected so it's spinning up it's going faster than it has before don't know what that's all about it doesn't sound good it's gonna fuck up technology that sounds bad it is gonna fuck up technology this is like y2k all over again actually though i was gonna say say it's like the Houston Astros 2020 season all over.

Yes. Yes.
Get Trevor Bauer on the case. Figure out what's going on with the spin rate.
This is a problem. Yeah.
Maybe we just have too much spider tack on the ozone layer right now. I don't know if this was hand-timed or electronically timed.
Like, there's some nerd. This is one of those things that I didn't even know that we kept track of as the human race.
but apparently there's some scientist somewhere in a mountain that like

checks at the end of every day,

how long the day was. What does he just see how fast it is for him to get back to the exact same point? Yeah, I guess so.
That's probably how you do it. But it's a great excuse for anyone who's running late for something.
Sorry, the earth sped up. Not my fault.
You put a balloon in the air and wait till you get back to it yeah that's probably what it is exactly what it is i respect science but like scientists have some of the biggest rackets going oh they could say anything and everyone would be like holy shit that's crazy yeah like climate change right hank i want to hear one i want to hear an example of another racket that scientists have going on the The people that do the fucking star is like 2,000 years ahead. Look at these super close images we got.
Yeah. Anytime they take a picture.
There's 100 galaxies. The one that came out last week, we were talking about astronomers.
It looks like a bunch of rocks. No, someone found a picture of a rug that looked exactly like it.
There should be a picture of a rug. Yeah.
Like a doctor's office. What do they do? What is that knowledge going to help us with? I don't know.
Find us aliens. It means next time we'll have a slightly clearer picture of those rocks.
Right. And what? They're 2,000 years behind us? Sweet.
It's a little bit further than that. I think it's probably like 50 million.
Yeah. Maybe a couple billion years.
It's just mind-blowing. All of it.
Yeah. How does that help society? Well, this is what happens to Hank when he hears something that's so, like, enormous and the magnitude of it is too hard to comprehend that your brain goes into fight-or-flight mode and you're just like, no, fuck you.
Yeah. Scientists and objins.
Yeah. What do they do? Yeah.
The spin rate stuff makes sense. Like, that's a real problem.
If there's two things that Hank absolutely knows nothing about, it's geological time and vaginas. Just abstract theories to him.
I don't. I don't.
Whatever. Why would I know what an object was back? I do now.
All right. My who's back is us.
PMT. We're back.
Grit week, we're back. And also, we're back because every now and then we get a couple tweets here and there where people are like, oh, you guys are recycling guests or you don't have new guests.
Will obviously had Aaron on the bus on Friday. So we had a few people being like, PMT could never.
I just want to remind you, we've been doing this for seven years. We do three episodes a week.
We have three guests a week. Sometimes you got to slap everyone around and be like, just shut up.
Still got it. Just still got it.
We know what we're doing. I know that like people want to pretend that like we don't know what we're doing whatsoever.
Here's the best way to put it. I, when people might think like we don't care, I spent the majority of July being nice to Aaron Rodgers via text message trying to get this interview.
I had to suck up so much shit being like, ha ha, Aaron, yeah, like we should do an interview. It was torture for me and I was doing it for the AWL.
So next time you're like, oh, you guys don't, you don't have it anymore. Like, you don't, I need more of this guest.
Don't worry. We're always working on it.
We're always working on new guests, new people. Again, show me a podcast that does three interviews a week for seven years.
There are none. We're like swans.
We look like everything's going smooth above the surface, but you get under that water and you just see feet just kicking kicking kicking dude it's we're always kicking i'm gonna look up how many times i had to fucking say haha to him it's fucking like liking messages and shit i had to do and i had to suck up my pride because there was multiple times where he's probably doing ayahuasca and i had i texted later it was like six blue bubbles in a row and and I was just like, this fucking sucks, because I'm just, and we even were going to try to go to Austin to interview him, and at one point, we had it planned, and I was thinking the whole time in the back of my head, like, he's just going to set me up, like, we're going to go down there, he's just not even going to be there. I would have respected that a lot, if he had just pranked us, if he pulled a Vanderhoofield on us.
us. He just fucking dominated me via text.
I did it for the AWL. So next time you think you want to go on the Twitter machine and be like, you guys suck.
You don't have your fastball. Just remember, I'm probably completely emasculating myself to some guest for you.
Do you think I want to be emasculated by Kevin Durant every day? The last couple weeks, you've been working hard on Aaron Rodgers,

and you gave me your first-class seat.

Yes.

This has been an all-time week for you.

Which, now that we went on the plane, I regret it so much.

Hank saw me squeezed into this seat, and I was like 26 F,

and Hank just was laughing in my face because I was –

it was – as Hank said, I have size issues. I did not fit in this seat.
And in the worst thing that ever can happen on a plane, I guess a plane crash, but the second worst thing that could ever happen on a plane, it really happens on the ground. Not on the plane though.
Falling asleep on a plane and waking up and you haven't even taken off the fucking worst. Yeah took like a nice 20 minute snooze woke up and i was like wait we're still in fucking new york did you take me landed for a second i for a brief second i was like yes i did it i didn't really mind it that much because i just had i had two glasses of champagne i kicked my feet back a little bit reclined it was it was lovely up there now if you're saying hey pft why'd you sit first class it's grit week well first of all it wasn't my choice big cat forced it upon me no i gave second i tried to give it back to big cat when we boarded the plane today and big cat was like no no you take it and kept walking through the aisle and then i said well i'm gonna give to hank if you don't take it and then big cat stopped he was like wait don't because he sleeps the whole time that's like we'll split halfway through and then pft on a four-hour flight texting me with 30 minutes left the time gets shorter every time the story gets told there was an hour left i did fall asleep the reason but you could have texted me by the way in my defense it was the grittiest first class seat possible because it was the very front row no tvs no tvs i had to put my backpack up in an overhead storage bin so it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows up there the second glass of champagne was slightly small they they kind of shorted me on that board and then the dinner was um it was a little salty yeah i saw them walking the dinner back by all of us like in like the tray i was like fuck you know the flight attendants absolutely hate you guys they hate they hate everyone that's not sitting in first class oh yeah like open disdain i even if you had texted me like 30 minutes after takeoff to be like let's switch i wouldn't have been able to because i was that wedged into my seat it would have taken so long for me to get out you know what i really wanted to have happen is i i should have texted you like an hour and chances are you'd probably say no no i don't want anymore just so that you can still have that card on me but if you had tried to take it and gotten up to the front and then taking my seat and then the flight attendant kicks you out you can't that's what i wanted i wanted to get to sit down and then get kicked out of first class i'm happy because i made it here and the next time there's only one first class ticket i will take it no i know i'd like to i'd like to give you that ticket next time thank you

um all right billy you're who's back my who's back is food challenges i am coming out of retirement yes it's finally been a long enough time since i think it was the cheeseburger uh incident where like i'm ready to do it again and i don't remember how sick it made me feel so i'm going in this thousand percent so how many are you doing I think as many as we can do five I want some are saying that the real food challenge is doing five I know depending on our schedule I think we can do three so I got three spots I think you've already failed the five food challenge challenge well. Yeah.
So I'm hyped.

It's going to be exciting.

I've been, you know, tonight's a big prep night for me.

So I'm going to have to be eating a lot.

I'm actually taking these very seriously.

I'm very excited because I love watching you compete and get bodied by food.

It's the best.

It's so much fun.

I think if I pick up a dove, I'm so happy.

That's what I told you.

Remember when this all started?

I was like, Billy, this is great content because chances are you're going to get

Thank you. much fun i think if i pick up a dove oh that's what i told you remember when this all started i was like billy this is great content because chances are you're going to get continually get bodied but when you do win one people are going to be so pumped i mean i might fail the first two but those will help me to the third correct and it's like i'm also interested to know what you're doing to train tonight you said that you're already putting in work i want to know what that looks like specifically.
Stomach expansion is a big one. This past week, I've been eating a lot.
Nice. I've been chugging water.
Yeah, me too. I'm going to be really good at this food challenge also.
Did you see the 19-ounce burrito? Yes. We're going to do that one? Yes, that's one of them.
Did you see how long you have? The timing is going to be hard. Two minutes.
19-ounce? Shut up. Two minutes.
19 ounces isn't that big. Two minutes.
Two minutes is tough. Two minutes minutes that's a little bit over like a beer can yeah yeah so just uh just look at your jaw like a snake i ate a philly i ate one of our pardon my cheese steaks uh in one minute oh nice cool that's pretty good yeah so you do deep throat actually yeah um it was a minute and 12 seconds but No gag reflex on our boy.
Was it the 6-inch or the 12-inch? 6-inch. Oh, yeah.
That's an average-sized cheese steak. Good journalist question there, Jake, because we just glossed over that fact.
I thought I could get away with it. But I'm absolutely pigging out tonight.
Okay. That's how you're preparing? At the Ameristar.
Yeah, I'm going to have it. Love it.
All right, Jake, you're who's back and then we'll get to Aaron Rogers. My who's back.
The water dogs. These guys are on fire right now.
They are. They started three.
They have won five straight at five and three. You know what? I'll do it right now.
Me just send this to him. Water dogs.
I apologize for absolutely nothing. You fucking suck.
You're going to continue to suck. You're not going to win shit.
I know that. You're on a nice little winning streak.
You probably played the worst teams in the league. Once we get to the playoffs, you're going to fucking suck, and I'm going to laugh at you.
Yeah. There's my apology.
Send that to them. I think I creeped them out a little bit on Saturday because I tried to motivate them, and I wanted them to get some interaction online.

You put peanut butter on your balls? No, I said that if they didn't win, I would poison one bag of dog food

somewhere on the eastern seaboard.

And then I kind of joke.

Well, I am joking about that.

I hope.

But they're a very brand-safe Twitter account sometimes,

so they see that, and they're like,

oh, I don't know what to do with this information about this podcaster threatening threatening to kill a dog if we don't win fortunately they did win in overtime there was a switch some the water dogs switched whoever runs that account because last year they they were like they they were like our uh subs we were our dom like we just made fun of them they took it and they loved it this year it feels like they don't really like the fact that we make fun of them constantly i got a text from somebody that for the day being like yeah fuck what are these guys tweeting again i gotta text him somebody that works at the pll being like uh hey just so just so you know i think they're um i think the person that runs that twitter account is a little freaked out by your tweet i was like don't worry i'm not actually going to kill a dog if they win yeah yeah they're also by the way the pll has um i did you see their throwback we need those yeah we need the throwback jerseys it's obviously there's you know to last year yeah it's it's it's it's what it would have been if they played the pll existed in the 1980s and they did uh it's like champion throwbacks Paul I know you listen

to every second of this podcast send

us all some throwback water dog stuff

so they're in fourth place right now they beat

top three teams oh so we're celebrating

that they're in fourth place it's a regular season

they're not even a wild card who they beat

the fucking snakes the whip snakes are 7-1

they only lost to the water dogs

not really they lost to the water dogs

I know but that was just an off game

if this was the BCS the whip snakes would be out

you can't lose to the water dogs

I'm sorry. They only lost to the Water Dogs.
Not really. They lost to the Water Dogs.
I know, but that was just an off game.

If this was the BCS, the Whip Stinks would be out.

You can't lose to the Water Dogs.

You just lost to Purdue.

It's true.

Yeah, so two weeks left of regular season heating up.

Wow, PLL.

Paul really should do the BCS for the PLL.

Get people mad about rankings?

Yeah, just do a computer rankings and have it only be a two team final. Like don't,

don't have a playoffs.

Oh,

I have a vote as a media member for the postseason awards.

Oh,

we'll be taking that.

Yes.

Is that ethical?

Thank you very much.

Is that ethical?

Yeah.

Because you'll be handing that over to us.

He's not an owner.

Technically you're not an owner.

I'm not an owner either.

I never fill out the paper,

but you do work with the owners.

Yes,

but not on the team side. Yeah.
Yeah. I filled out that paper.
I don't work with you on the behind the scenes of the team. It took me like a year and a half.
And then finally, Paul got so mad at us because he's like, you know this is actual paperwork and there are outstanding shares of this team. Yeah, he did get mad.
And for legal reasons. Yeah.
And I felt bad. It took like three or four different emails for him to really impress that on us.
And it took like one second once you actually logged in so yeah okay anything else a lot of former denver university players on the water dogs cool as we're in denver okay nice well beautiful black rock yeah black hawk black hawk but i said it black hawk what are you saying cell phone situation Blackhawk Blackhawk

Blackhawk

Blackhawk

Blackhawk

yeah

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We got him. He's won one Super Bowl, which we can get into because I had the theory that if you win one super bowl you actually have none uh he is a four-time mvp of the league he has an 11 and 10 postseason record uh one and four in nfc championship games i'm just introducing you uh one of the best quarterbacks ever aaron rogers welcome the show.
Thank you. Okay.
I don't really know where to start other than, like, how dare you? How dare you? Big Cat will not ask you any questions that aren't threatening, so I'll start it because we ask everybody this on Grit Week. Yes, that's true.
I forgot about that. I got blinded with rage.
What does grit mean to you? Wait, are you recording this? I know you like to – you don't trust the media. I don't trust you guys, yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay, so what does grit mean to you? It means you're from Pittsburgh. Ooh.
Okay. That's actually an answer we haven't had yet.
That's a great answer, though. And it's true.
That's what's been ingrained in me since I was a second-year player in the league. I've been surrounded by Pittsburgh people.
Everybody from Mike McCarthy to Tom Clements to Ben McAdoo, Dom Capers, Darren Perry, Frank Signetti. A lot of Pittsburgh people.
And all I talk about is just toughness. That is true.
Pittsburgh grit. Putting fries on sandwiches.
Wait, so are you saying that you miss Mike McCarthy I love Mike McCarthy yeah yeah so why don't why don't you marry him why don't you have him back here have him be your coach I think he's doing pretty good in Dallas yeah okay all right so we're gonna sidetrack we got a lot of stuff to get to I can't wait did Mike McCarthy ever smash a watermelon in front of you I never saw that no okay because he did that with the Cowboys they won a big game. And we were wondering if that was like a party trick he pulled out for all of his teams.
No, I haven't seen that. Okay.
He never did that in 14 years with us. Are you a little disappointed that he never thought highly enough of you to do that? I am disappointed.
Now, we did do a lot of fun things. The McCarthy Olympics was one fun thing that we did every year in training camp, but no watermelons.
What's involved in the McCarthy Olympics? There was a dunk tank. There was a penalty shot.
We had it at his property. He obviously, like anybody would in Green Bay, bought a 30-acre property and then spent who knows how much money building this big berm so nobody could look at him on one side of the road.
And then he bought up all the houses around him. So he had just a massive property.
So there was like a 100-yard golf shot. There was a soccer thing.
There was indoor basketball. There was golf, long drive.
There was three-point competition. There was dunk tank.
There was lawn darts, all the good stuff, beer chugging, which I would have won probably. Whoa.
I've seen that in Bucks games. I don't know.
I have that written down. You can't chug a beer.
See, I'm going to take all your information and just put it out there so you can't do it. I have a feeling that you've done some opposition research going into this interview.
No, of course not. I don't believe that for a second.
You're confident enough? What's opposition research have to do with anything? You know stuff about mostly him, I would imagine. I do, yes.
Yeah, so you... Caleb told me a lot.
Listen, all right, let's just cut through it. Put our cards on the table.
If you had to go to jail or prison, which one would you pick? What's the difference? Well, jail's probably a little lighter than prison. Do you like his county jail? I've said, see, listen.
Maybe you like the Manhattan Correctional Facility with like a real jacked up former cop as your cellmate for another? Yeah. From what I've read, I think if anybody in this room, and I don't know some of the other people in here, and Tom has a sketchy past, but I think you would probably be most likely to go to jail between all of us in here.
Really? Yeah. I have committed some crimes.
That's fine. But I also admit to the crimes I commit where you don't.

And you kind of skirt around it.

But listen, I'm actually very realistic about you as a player.

I've always said you're a very good quarterback.

Very good quarterback.

Even league MVP four times, right?

I do think that you should be in jail or prison.

And I'm fair to say you get to pick. I think jail is better than prison, so you can have that, and I will meet you halfway.
No. Okay.
All right. Well, I'll work on it.
Let's try a different angle. How close were you to retiring? Be honest.
Close. I don't know how close is close.
I was thinking about it, yeah. So Jeopardy, that would have been cool.
Yeah, that would have been cool. Yeah.
Did you want that job? I did. I feel like it's a thankless job, though, because that's become one of those shows where no matter who's hosting it, it's almost like the Jeopardy community loves to nitpick at the host and be like, you're not Alex Trebek.
Well, yeah, that's the case. And I would say for many of the shows that I grew up watching that is definitely the case you know Price is Right nobody can ever be Bob Barker best show ever but I will say one guy who's transcended all of that and even surpassed Louie Anderson who nobody thought ever could is Steve Harvey with Family Feud he's America's host Family Feud you know I mean that show went through so many different people and I although I didn't mean to have one iconic host other than Louie, you know, I think Steve definitely did that.
So I was actually like, you know, like I said, I'm actually fair with you. You might think I'm not fair.
But when you were, you know, saying that you want to be- No offense, but I don't watch your stuff. What? My what? We don't think about you at all.
Yeah. Okay.
All right. So either way, that's fine.
You don't have to watch anything. have to watch anything uh but i'm a big portnoy fan like i'll watch his you know pizza reviews and cookie reviews and yep ice cream reviews you know you never think about us that's fine i wanted you to have the jeopardy job i was pushing for it just you could slam me or no i wanted you to have the job so you could be happy and because clearly you don't playing football, so it was like, let's get this guy happy.
I'm a humanitarian. You want me out of the NFC North.
I got it. I also would like to say, I saw your golf game.
See that? Yeah. I don't know what's going on there.
I saw your golf game. Liv is offering a lot of money.
So have you thought about that? $150 for last place seems like a pretty fair. It's a strong offer.
Fair offer. So we were actually just talking about this the other week.
We all have a number. Like Saudi Arabia could give me $100 million.
Yes. Instant yes.
What's your number? Probably around Tiger's number. $800 million.
So there is a chance. I'm going to make some calls.
I'm going to work my ass off. Everybody's got a price.
Yeah. It's yeah it's true yeah we've all got a price i will work my ass off to try to get live or jeopardy or anything you want to do i'm an aaron rogers fan i'm going to make sure that you're happy doing anything besides football in three more years oh okay so you're saying you're gonna retire after three years maybe four oh fuck you're never gonna retire you're never gonna retire you i just got one follow-up are you really sensitive about what i said last year after i scored that touchdown okay let's get into it um so you said i own you yeah i fucking own you to the city of chicago the city of chicago has 38.7 billion dollars of debt so are you going to pay that that's a good one i mean no i'm not you own us no i was i don't think i'm saying that about the entire city now maybe soldier field every fan who was flipping me off you know that negativity that was kind of coming my way it was a pretty substantial fcc fine that came fox's way do you own that you can't just say fuck on tv i don TV.
It's supposed to be a 10-second delay.

So I think that's out of my hands.

I actually own you because I'm a Packers owner.

Fact.

So I own you.

You own him.

You own a piece of paper that has zero actual value.

I actually stole it from our goldfish.

So our goldfish owned you.

Then he died.

Then I inherited the share.

Now I own you.

You own Big Cat.

So I kind of – I guess I – Dan guess i yeah i inherit that debt okay do you feel bad for what you've done to my friend big cat no i don't at all like not at all because like i don't know if you can tell this conflicted you know he's conflicted it's kind of like darth vader and luke skywalker remember you know he's like i can feel the conflict within you and he says this fake statement like, oh, there's no conflict. I'd move on.
Inside, he went to Wisconsin. I hate you though.
I hate the Packers. He's seen some of my all-time best moments on the field.
Not only at Soldier Field but also at Ford Field. So I was a Lions fan for 24 hours.
I went to go help support the Lions fans to try to beat the packers and then you threw the hail mary right in my face directly in my face like i said you've tortured me they had me on the way over here they were like what's the worst moment aaron rogers versus the bears and i just started listing like a laundry list and it goes on forever do you get extra like do you do you actually relish in the fact that you beat the bears the way you do every single year yes fuck i mean i know i mean i knew the answer to that because it's a great sports town you know if we're beating up on a town that doesn't have a great sports history it's like just another win but chicago is chicago you get 100 years of bears football almost right you have the chicago bulls i grew up a bulls fan fan. Back on my old TV, we had like seven dials, and you had to hit it just right with the antenna doing.
We could get WGN, so we could watch Cubs baseball and Harry Carey. That was iconic, and Bulls basketball.
So I grew up watching Chicago sports. So, all right, what's your favorite memory? I'm just going to do this because everyone's going to want to hear it.
What's your favorite memory of beating the Bears? What's your favorite Bears all time? Because there are a lot. I actually, like, weirdly, I'll tell you mine first because there's, you know, Randall Cobb was terrible.
The NFC Championship game was terrible. When you faked you had an injury with Khalilil Mack that first half, and you came back.
Weirdly, though, the one that just kills me the most, because actually Hank and Dave, we were in Arizona for some college football thing, and we watched Sunday Night Football. It was a game that you put up like, I think you guys were 42-0 at half, and they just laughed at me for an entire half, and they're like, how do you watch this? I think weirdly the most so what's your favorite go ahead well that one hurts because it was 42 whatever at halftime and I'd thrown six touchdowns yeah and the record is seven and Mike was and Mike was gonna sit me and I was like how about one more possession he goes okay one more so we got down to the nine yard line and threw it three times three incompletions so then don't break yeah so we went up 45 nothing yeah all right so what's your favorite probably 2013 okay only because i came back from my collarbone randall came back from his knee injury and then somehow it was for the division you know after so many things happened you know for us to be able to be in it and i believe that detroit was still in it the week before then they had a bad loss to somebody so then to like our game.
And, you know, neither team I don't think was great that year. But we're still playing for a home playoff game.
And I start off, I threw a pick to Chris Conte on a rollout. And I'm like, shit, like is it going to go like this, you know, tonight? And then I threw another pick to Jennings in I think the second or second or third quarter and then we had that weird fluky pep you know cause a fumble and Boykin picks it up and nobody's doing anything and he runs in the end zone and on the last drive we converted uh three fourth downs you know fourth and like inches on a dive play a fourth and three and a throw to Jordy but the last one was was pretty amazing so what this is this is terrible i don't i actually hate that i'm doing this is actually my least favorite thing i've ever done coming here uh right now but you look good you look good i want to thank you thank you no i mean sometimes no i mean you know i know that we've all struggled with our own issues and i know weight's been kind of up and down for you but i feel like you look You don't watch anything I do.
No, I mean, I know that we've all struggled with our own issues, and I know weight's been kind of up and down for you, but I feel like you're looking really good. Well, you don't watch anything I do.
No, I just heard. Oh, okay, okay.
You heard about the weight. All right.
You're looking good. Thank you.
When you saw – like what did you see when Chris Conti was just not there? Were you like holy – did you think you were hallucinating? No one's ever been more open in the history of the NFL. We have to understand, you have to put it all together.

I think people throw blame on Chris or Major or whoever it was on that side.

I think Bowman was outside as well on the play.

But you guys brought seven, and we blocked with six.

So there should have been a free guy.

So it was really the rush pattern that got you.

On the backside, Evan Dietrich-Smith and I believe Josh Sitton did a good job

blocking like two or three.

And then John Kuhn comes over and cuts Julius.

So I guarantee on the defense that they were expecting the ball to come out quick.

That's why they were playing at 10 yards.

In fact, there was probably an illegal contact on the play.

I think Major Wright just dropped Jordy, who was in number three in that spot. But that was a fun feeling.
He was so open. He was so open.
Well, because they're playing for... What they should have done was change the...
They should have changed the call. I mean, I knew what the check call was.
Was that one of those plays where when you get up to the line, you see what they're doing, you just know it's a touchdown? No, I don't know it's a touchdown at all. I was literally trying to throw it hot to Jordy, and then I felt John come out because I didn't think he was going to block Peppers because Peppers should have been the free guy in the play, but John was smart, and he saw that Evan and Josh had blocked those guys, so he came over and cut Julius.
So question off of that, real question. Which is why I think Major hit Jordy because I was going to throw it to Jordy on like a stop route so off of that real question real football question at what point in your career have you been able to be like I just see everything better than like you know I know what the defense is going to do I've done this so many times like you almost feel like you're playing at a higher level than everyone else It takes a long time and I don't ever feel like that I don't think consistently it's more certain teams you play or certain defensive coordinators you start to get in the rhythm and even at a game they ran that same pressure I think two other times with the same signal so we came out they did a signal I made a check and was thinking about throwing it out to Jordy now it all just came together because john made a great block and it shouldn't have been like that but you can get into a rhythm with seeing certain things i think the most important thing for a quarterback is to figure out what i'm doing and once you can wipe your mind from that to be able to see what the defense is doing takes you to a whole nother level because then you're reading the fronts you're seeing signals you're hearing things out there that you might not hear if you're just thinking about what my guys are doing and what this guy's doing and this guy's doing.
You know, it's playing on the other side of the football is how you kind of take that jump. Because it does feel like at times where, again, there's going to be a compliment, but you're seeing things and processing things so much faster than everyone else that it feels almost unfair.
I don't know if that's just us watching it and being like, holy shit, Aaron Rodgers, or you actually feel that yourself where you're like, I'm processing this so much faster than everyone else. I feel like that sometimes for sure, but it's just certain games.
Some games, teams will be so good at disguise, you're guessing a lot. And sometimes you guess right and sometimes you guess wrong and there's going to be mistakes.

But certain teams that we've played over the year,

you kind of feel the rhythm of

certain guys and their alignments and the movements

and different things.

It's always a chess match with Brian

Urlacher because he was so good. They would make everything

look the exact same and run a couple

different coverages out of it and he would change all his checks.

So we'd be studying the checks the week before

and have like three or four word identifications. And we'd get in the game and he'd call the same word it means something completely different so it's but he was doing what i was doing on the other side of the ball right he could play that game back to the offense and mess with you and and um but i feel like you and i can be like brian and i because brian and we were on the we were, you know, I can't say we were friends, but we were harsh competitors, and I respected him and tackled him once.

But he picked me off quite a few times.

I think the most in my career is Brian picking me off three times.

But now we're friends.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like we could do it.

These guys know.

They see me watch.

Like, I do really, truly hate you,

but I also watch you

and I'm like, holy shit,

like, the plays he's making are insane.

Like, that's a fact.

I am honest.

But I feel like we could hang out.

We could, you know,

have a Guinness and eat some pizza.

Coors Light, yeah.

Yeah, definitely Coors Light.

Coors Light sponsor.

Yep, yep, yep.

I appreciate that.

I'll be honest.

I like you.

I don't like what you've done to my friend

because you've probably aged him,

like, 30 years.

Well, you're a Washington fan, so you don't care. Yeah, but you don't watch anything that would do right i'm a nihilist okay like i'm convincing myself to root for carson this year that's how bad things have got i'm i'm actually a commanders fan don't forget about that name change but i do like you um i noticed that you had almost like a significant change in perspective over the last few years.

You've become, it seems like you're having more fun from what I've seen.

You're enjoying your teammates.

You're enjoying the process.

You're enjoying what you get to do while you're still able to do it, which I think is very cool.

And you have a good perspective on like where football fits into your life.

I think a lot of people don't have that, especially from the outside.

So I guess my question is, when did you first try ayahuasca?

A few years ago.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Straight from the source?

What source?

Ecuador.

I don't think it's me. I don't think that would be the source.
Amazon. Amazon.

Yeah.

By the way, the tattoo looks better in person.

Thank you.

That's another thing I admire about you.

Yeah.

You're totally go ahead. You're like, listen, if you want to put a needle in my arm and

Thank you. That's another thing I admire about you.
Yeah. You're totally go ahead.
You're like, listen, if you want to put a needle in my arm and inject whatever you want in there, I'm totally on board with that. I could never do that.
Well, it was very, very important. I immunize this part of my body right here.
Could you actually explain the tattoo? Because we were trying to figure it out when the picture came out and trying to analyze what it was no i think your analyzation is probably better than my explanation so you're just like give me something cool i actually i did not make fun of you for the tattoo because i am i what are you 38 no you're you're 40 are you 42 you should probably retire um i i do want to get a tattoo i don't have are you what are you, what are you, in your late 30s? I'm 37, yeah. Nice.
So I'm going to, why don't we retire together? I'll walk away from this. You walk away from that.
We'll just do it together. Yeah, sounds good.
We both made enough money. Let's just fuck it.
Let's get out of here. Let's go play golf.
You're so rich, dude. Let's go play golf.
Come on. But yeah, I didn't, I actually respect the fact that you got a tattoo so late in life because I want to get a tattoo at some point, but it's hard to be the late 30s, early 40s guy and be like, oh, here's my first tattoo.

Because either you're a tattoo guy or you're not, but you now are.

I am, and I don't care about whether you like it or don't like it. I would like you to like it because I like you and I want to like you, but I actually don't care.

We think that it's cool. I think our analysis was what it looks like the inside of Kyrie Irving's brain.
Nice. I also said I live in Brooklyn now, so I was like, yeah, I basically see that tattoo every single day.
Humble brag? Yeah. Brooklyn's a humble brag.
Here's a real question. Huge brag.
Live in Brooklyn. A place that has like three million people.
Yuppie. Yeah.
Can we run through some football scenarios here? Because as Big Cat was saying, you see everything before it happens. You're playing seven-dimensional chess out there.
Yes. All right.
You score a touchdown. You're down 14 in the fourth quarter.
You score a touchdown. Time's running out.
Do you go for two the first time, or do you wait to go for two later? I like going for two later, but our analyst guy likes going for two now. Yep.
Yeah. Okay.
Another one, let's say it's fourth and inches at midfield. Coach sends out the punt team.
What would your play call be? A little hard count, probably? Fake punt. Fake punt? Yeah.
They'd never know it was coming. Okay, then the last one I had here, hypothetically, fourth down at the eight-yard line.
There's two minutes, nine seconds left. You're down eight.
You kick a field goal there, just take the points? Yeah, just take the points. Take the points.
That's it? Yeah. What was the line? I think it was three, two and a half.
Yeah, it didn't help us. Oh.
Yeah.

I'm very upset about that.

You guys hit us in the points.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So every time we talk to your coach, LaFleur, we give him a hard time about that.

And he's put all of it on you.

He's like, Aaron wanted to kick a field goal.

He wanted to get out of the field.

He wanted to get home.

He didn't trust his arm in that situation.

He was late for a flight to go hang out with Miles Teller in the jungle.

Yeah.

So he wanted to get out of there. We're like, all right, fine.
It's credit to him. He's never said it publicly.
I think maybe he was thinking if I get three now, then we stop him, get three again, get onside kick, and then another three. Yes.
32-31. Yes.
Championship. But seriously, I was joking around earlier, but I have noticed that you've changed your perspective as your career has matured um do you think that you love football more than you did when you first started playing in the NFL I think I have a better perspective about life now than I did as a 21 year old and I'm more of an appreciation and gratitude for still doing it I mean that's the reason the reason.
The other part is just, you know,

people like Dan and others, you know,

have created this idea of what I am

and what I'm about and who I am.

Felon.

Yeah, I should be in jail, arrested.

And it's been fun to, you know,

do a McAfee show,

be a little more open with the media,

finally do, you know, this with you guys, and hopefully let people see a different side. But either way, I'm not trying to be anything other than myself.
And I do, I think deep down, realize this chapter of my life is coming to a close soon. So I'm trying to enjoy it a little bit more than when you're 21,

you're thinking you're going to play forever,

and 38, you're a fucking old guy.

Yeah.

Very old.

You're 38, you're like, damn, like the years have really gone by,

and I'm thankful for it.

You know, I want to leave this place better than I found it.

I'm going to throw you a great retirement party.

That's my promise to you.

We'll go hang out, do whatever you want.

You just say the word.

Maybe next Saturday, we'll do it.

Thank you. to throw you a great retirement party that's my promise to you we'll go hang out do whatever you want you just say the word maybe next saturday we'll do it all right we're gonna we're gonna fucking hang out uh off that we're gonna fly on that jet you flew in here on yeah that's grit baby it's actually hey listen you had me by the street i mean like behind the scenes people don't realize i had to basically beg aaron for three weeks i was annoying him with text messages i wanted to like kill myself every day that i had to text you and be like hey will you come on the show but i will suck up i will suck it up for the for the people i got you the people want to see the the there was we were talking about it there was a small part of me when we were going to go down to austin i was like he's probably not even going to be in austin and he's just getting me to fly there.
And I'm just going to, we're going to show up.

See, that's what you do.

So you present this image of me, this perspective of me that's totally doesn't match the facts.

You've been doing it for years.

I'm going to give you credit.

You were very nice on tax.

You said, I want to do it.

I just got to figure out my schedule. I'm going to sue you for libel and you can choose a cash payout or jail.

Yeah, he's going to put you in jail.

So you're down in Austin.

How was doing the Alex Jones show?

No, you were very nice in accommodating.

The media part, I do have a question off that.

Do you get a little bit of pleasure out of trending and having people?

You've done some cryptic Instagram posts and some cryptic tweets. I think they're funny.
Yeah, no, you're like, there's been many times where you've posted something and I'm like, it's over. He's done.
He's leaving green Bay. And like, I get my hopes up.
Are you doing that? Like knowing you're just, you just like to rile the people up because you do it very well. Every now and then there's a situation where you might push the send button before counting to ten and talking to a friend and making sure this is something you want to put out there.
And I think we're all probably guilty of that. You, for sure.
I've read some of yours. Do you want to get into the tweets? The one that Devante was – him and I kind of put our heads together and wanted to stir some shit up.
Oh, The Last Dance? Yeah. Oh, that one had me so happy.
It was very fun. I was telling everyone.
I was like, it's over. It's over.
And it was. They're done.
Right? Yeah, it was. I guess it was.
He's in Vegas. Yeah.
So you said like there's a certain image out there of you that you've tried to – well, you don't care really what like strangers think necessarily, but's not necessarily accurate big cat i mean dan yes i do care about him yeah how how would you describe yourself i just i think in general i'd like to i'd like to present myself how i see myself so unapologetically authentic you know and I mean you like me or don't like me that's not my concern at this point you know my concern is just speaking the truth and and you know and people say oh immunization vaccination i did i said yeah a lot yeah you did yeah how many people do you think you killed what's your count how many grandmothers I mean I know you guys are fucking around I don't find that part funny I really don't oh shit yeah it actually is one of my favorite things I was able to do off of that whole immunization thing is tweet that you should be in jail and then I would have people who get the joke joke. And then there would be like a ton of people who'd be like, Oh, you like you think COVID is so real.
You should be in jail. And it was just, my mentions would just be a mess.
And probably a lot of people said, fuck yeah, put them in jail. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. No, I have an arm.
Get that liar in jail. Get him in jail.
Get him in jail. Probably.
Okay. A real question.
Those are the ones you're all retweeting and liking. Oh, yeah.
I was like, yep, good point, good point, good point. Real question, kind of a grit question for Grit Week.
Please. Did you know, first of all, let me just – I need to share this.
I feel like A.J. Hawk would never forgive me if I didn't.
But in our old grading system, so we play a game, and the next day, every play is graded. At one point, we point went this huge grading format where there was like 20 different things somehow they were graded and i swear to god in every single play there was a grit grade for each player grit grade there was a nm for needs more and st was standard and then an alpha plus so alpha plus yeah you know if you got that alpha plus grit grade you probably did some fucking that's that's a john coon grade that's awesome yeah for sure he probably and where's john from in grit yeah pittsburgh yeah pittsburgh yeah yeah grit grade we got to start grit grading ourselves yeah you do yeah um all right so grit grade i would i would grade this interview on a grit grade schedule of a standard of somewhere between st and nm okay okay So we got Okay.
So we got some time. Yeah, I don't want to be an Alpha Plus yet.
All right, so this is the real question. This will help the Alpha Plus.
Your story of getting to the NFL. So you were lightly recruited.
Right. I think I read that you at one point were thinking about just quitting football and going to be a lawyer, right? I was thinking about it.
How close were you at that point? Like because I just want to go home and fantasize about like a different world where you just never played football. But how – because you stuck it out.
And it is – you know, people think Aaron Rodgers, your town is so out of this world. They don't think grit.
But then when you read about, you know, having to start at Chico – what was it, Chico it was chico butte yeah right right by chico and then going to cal and not getting all of those scholarship offers and like you know falling in the draft were there moments where you're like this just isn't going to work out for sure and it was when i think about there was like one day that kind of course corrected everything the it was in February of 2002 and the baseball coach who had been my JV football coach had been kind of prodding me to to maybe come out and play baseball and pitch and I hadn't played since eighth grade and so the pitchers and catchers were like playing catch on the blacktop or something. And he said, oh, come out and throw a little bit.
And they had the gun out there. And that one day I think changed my kind of turn back on my competitive fire.
Really? Because I came out of the winter, had no offers, and really didn't know what I was going to do. Obviously the JUCOs in the area wanted me to come play there, but when you're growing up, you're not dreaming about playing JUCO ball.
You're dreaming about playing on Saturdays on ABC with Keith Jackson calling your games. You're not thinking about playing at Cowan Stadium in Oroville, California, in front of 500 people.
But playing baseball that spring really kind of gave me my competitive fire back, and then I played in this all-star football game that summer and I say all-star very lightly because it was northern California kind of north south there were only a few of us from that game who kind of went on to play in college but that kind of gave me my fire back I went to junior college at Butte had a fantastic time still very close with my coaches there and And then the rest is kind of history. That's crazy.
So there is like, there's an alternate world where if that invite doesn't happen, not saying that you would have stopped playing sports, but you might've been like, all right, I'm going to figure out something else in life. Yeah.
I mean, there's, there's a world. I was dealing with a major knee injury that was frustrating for two years in high school.
and I was like maybe I'll just rehab and maybe I'll get surgery. I don't know what I wanted to do.
And then that day kind of, oh, okay, let me get into this next challenge. How can I be the best pitcher this year? And that kind of got my mindset adjusted and that competitive fire kind of came back.
And what was that guy's name? I just want to know for personal reasons i just want to call him up and uh daniel cats i want to build a time machine i want to find that guy yeah stop that man if i build a time machine one thing i can do is find that that baseball coach and be like don't invite aaron to practice today then you're a lawyer you would have been a terrible lawyer oh my god really yeah you would a terrible lawyer why i can just feel it no you just wouldn't have been a good lawyer i just know it it's all i got right now probably true i'm grasping all right uh you got to hurt me with the bears stuff what's the worst loss that you've had what's the one that stuck the most oh the nfc championship against seattle yeah yeah that was that was a very fun game from my perspective if one play goes our way out of all these you know they don't call it offsides i throw a pick to sherman obviously the onside kick fake field goal two-point conversion you know all there's like eight plays if one of them goes our way we get a pick and the guys you know our guy slid down instead of running back inside the 30 and one of those plays goes our way you know we uh we win that we played new england who we had beaten earlier that year at home but we beat them 26 21 that year but uh yeah that one hurts that was a fun one always gonna hurt i was just like this is really happening this is really happening holy shit is this still happening and it just kept on happening do you have a photograph it was great it was great i remember the bar i was at in chicago and i was like this is tell me more tell me more about it it was so um what did you guys like run you didn't run offense at the end of the game right it was their time left and you and you kneeled it or no i know the onside kick they scored yeah and

then they went for two and he threw up that wild one and somehow guy caught it yeah scored it so

we're down three then we went down and got a field goal that's right you kicked a field goal

yeah right right and there was but there was moments where it felt like your offense wasn't

you guys were kind of playing not to lose situation towards the end where it's like all right oh the

last couple of possessions yeah and i that was that was one of my favorite parts i was like what

the you guys were kind of playing not to lose situation towards the end where it's like, all right.

Oh, the last couple of possessions.

Yeah, and that was one of my favorite parts.

I was like, what are they doing?

Like they've been able to – Well, we'd get after them in 20 the entire game, 20 personnel,

so two backs and three receivers, and that was kind of the plan.

And then we went kind of last couple of possessions in 22 personnel,

so two backs, two tight ends like a jumbo set, which, you know,

Seattle's iconic, you know, one of the best defenses of the generation for sure the last 30 years probably. The Legion of Boom, and people forget how good they were up front as well.
And obviously with KJ and Bobby at Backer, you know, they were as stout as can be, but they had a front that was pretty nasty. But we had found some things in 20 personnel that got after them pretty good in the last couple of possessions we you know didn't do it but you know as well as we played on defense that day we picked him off five times we had the ball inside the two twice and kicked two field goals yeah which obviously hurt um yeah there were a lot of things that was a great game and that was a Wilson passing passing overtime.
Yeah. But where were you? Where were you? I was in a bar.
I have a friend who's a diehard Packers fan. And as it was happening, I started to slowly move away from him because I thought he was going to legitimately punch me.
So by the end, when Russell Wilson threw the touchdown, I was basically standing in the doorway, away from where we were sitting the whole day because I was like, he's going to try to fight me. And yeah, it was great.
It was great. And then he was just defeated and it was just beautiful.
The whole thing. Can I ask you a non-condescending, in a non-condescending way, a question? Yeah.
I'm going to. That question was kind of hard.
That was a rhetorical question. That intro question was a little bit condescending.
It was rhetorical.ical yeah okay is truly is it hard for you as a bears fan yeah that some of your greatest moments are cheering against me when the bears aren't playing okay good question um very good question no it's it's actually great because what i've told everyone is um i'm very realistic about

the bears not a great franchise just don't do the right things for the most part every year i look forward to the playoffs and the game that you're going to lose and i've told this story on the air but like when you guys lost to san francisco this year we were watching the game in new jersey and I drove back to Brooklyn, brag,

and I listened to Tauscher ESPN Wisconsin. For three hours, I sat in my car.
I arrived home. It's a 20-minute drive.
I had arrived home. I sat for three hours listening to callers be like, blow up Lambo.
Get 12 out of here. We need to build a dome.
This team isn't built for the outside. And that was the highlight of my NFL season.
And I have no problem saying that because I know I'm a loser. That's the best part.
I've come to grips with the fact that I'm a loser. So yes, watching you lose in the playoffs is my, that's my Super Bowl.
And I've won a lot of Super Bowls, if you do it that way. More than you.
Yeah, I like that spin zone I just did in my head yeah yeah I have a dynasty cooking you actually answer do you like playing in the cold I do really because I know Brett was saying like he had that amazing record in the playoffs and Lambeau Field was a place nobody could win and he hated playing the cold but you enjoy it I do I feel like it slows the rush down and I think it that kind of evens some things out up front. So we play in a front that's really, really dynamic.
Footing can get in the way, especially if you're playing in Chicago in the cold. That field's terrible.
It's unique. I mean, it's a sand pit.
Is there, like, one coach that you go up against? And you know that, you know, we were talking earlier about how sometimes you can see exactly what's going on. Sometimes things are more disguised.
but one coach that you know up against and you know that you know we were talking earlier about how sometimes you can see exactly what's going on sometimes things are more disguised but one coach that you know that when you play against them they're going to throw some stuff at you they're going to disguise things and you're going to be a little confused I think Todd Bowles has done a good job at that over the years I think he's a really good coach he has a you can always tell schematically what coaches are the best based on how the league adjusts. And offensively, you know, in this offense that we're in, there's like nine different teams running now.
And it started with Mike Shanahan and his son Kyle running really, really well in Atlanta going to the Super Bowl. And then everybody copied it.
And then there was a Seattle defense. I think you're seeing the Rams defense that kind of branched out across the league.
There's probably six, seven teams running the same thing, and then there's some teams trying to do what Coach Bowles does with the pressure package. Mike Zimmer, for a long time, was as hard as it came playing against because they had eight up looks, you know, double A gap and then double edges, and then they had every variation, both edge guys, four to a side, four to the other side, both inside guys, drop those guys out, and the best disguisers in the game, including Harrison Smith, who's been there forever, but the backers when Barr and Kendricks were in there, and they had that front that played together for a long time.
It was one of the toughest defenses to go against. Yeah, your coach was telling us before you came in, one way to counteract that is by running a lot of motion on offense.
He said you love that. He said that you're really enjoying all the motions.
That's what I mean, baby. Why is that? So we're idiots, obviously.
I mean, you've heard us talk for the last 20 minutes, so you know that we're fucking morons yes but no but what what is it interesting

people what is it about installing like a motion offense that you're like god damn this is kind of

pain in the ass because to me it's just like you go out there and you do what coach says

yeah i mean if he's smart and he knows what he's talking about and yeah you do what he says

he's one of the smartest in the game but that implies that you've maybe played for some coaches

that weren't smart no that's not what i'm saying i'm saying if the scheme is smart and makes sense

I'm saying. I'm saying if the scheme is smart and makes sense, then, yeah, you do it.
Sometimes in this scheme, and I tell Matt all the time, this scheme has flaws. I think this scheme is way different.
I grew up in the West Coast offense. The West Coast offense, I think, is the most beautiful offense ever created.
It's about timing and rhythm and balance, and everything makes sense protection-wise. You know where your hots are.
You know where your eyes are going every single time. You know how the concepts fit together.
This is a schematic offense. That was not a schematic offense.
That was built on timing and precision and rhythm and guys being in the right spot at the right time and putting the ball in the proper number. It started with Bill Walsh and Montana and Paul Hackett and on down to the iteration that we got to, and I loved it.
In that offense, though, it's not predicated on motion. It's predicated on winning one-on-one matchups and then being accurate, throwing the football.
And so that's what I grew up in. I marveled at Peyton Manning during his prime would run all two-by-two and three-by-1 formations with no motion just because you want to look at it and use this cadence variation to get movement and then be able to go with tempo as well.
When you have so much motion, it's hard to get tempo going because you always got to make sure you're set and you got a motion, maybe a double motion, maybe this thing, maybe this adjustment off of it. I just like sometimes, and I tell them the same thing.
I'm not telling you guys anything I wouldn't tell him. I got after him a day because every freaking play, there's goddamn motion.
I'm like, can we run one play without a motion and pass so we can get some tempo going? Because I like to switch the tempo. But in this offense, it does put a lot of stress on the defense because you have a motion, you have an outside zone look, you have a guy ceiling backside, and off of that we have a run,

we have a screen, we have a keeper, we have an action pass.

So you have so many different looks off the same stuff.

That's why it works.

It's a little frustrating when you grew up in the West Coast offense and your mindset is all about protection and Xs and adjustments

and different things when you're playing an offense that doesn't have a lot of those things and maybe could use it at times.

And also when it kind of fucks up the protection schemes and lanes and identification sometimes, it just makes it a little extra strenuous sometimes on the quarterback.

I'm starting to think you might know football. A little bit.
Do you think football is beautiful? I do. I can tell.
When done right, yeah. What's the most beautiful play? Good question.
We used to run this play many, many times. Unfortunately, I hit the Bears against it a few times, but hard play action to the left, half roll back to the right, and then a double move by 87 off the front side with some sort of adjustment, you know, some sort of complemented route, either a deep cross or kind of a throwback route.
But it was the weave, like corner post, off of hard action. And we probably hit it for, I don't know, seven or eight touchdowns over the kind of three- or four-year span.
And when that one comes clean and, you know, safety goes and doubles the X and Jordy's, you know, up there and running this corner and you just know he's going to be wide open. I think that's a pretty play.
Shit. I mean, you can tell like that.
Yeah, that's football is beautiful. We know you got to go in a second.
We got a couple more questions. We'll wrap it up quickly.
Thank you, though. I do appreciate your time.
I appreciate you guys coming up here. Yeah.
I mean, we dropped everything. I hope it's all a write-off and you guys, you know, aren't out of pocket at all.
No, Dave paid for all of it. David? Yeah, Dave paid for all of it.
Yeah, thank you, Dave. You think the Barstool Fund was going to restaurants? All right.
We'll go quick here. Favorite throw you've ever thrown? Is it the one against the Cowboys? I like that one.
I like the couple in the Super Bowl that felt good. But my favorite throw is the one that you got to witness in Detroit.
Fuck. I don't think I've ever thrown a ball that came off that good and went that high and that far.
You killed Detroit Dutton. His soul left his body.
If you watch the video back, like, he literally, his body, he had no spine, he had no bones. He just collapsed.
You killed that man. He's still alive, though, right? Yeah, he is still alive, I think.
But he made it back. He recovered.
The worst part about that, before that video, they were doing the math on how they were going to make the playoffs. They're like, we win this game? I was like, all right, guys, but it's fucking Aaron Rodgers.
This is not over, and then you did that.

We'll wrap up with a couple of last questions.

Is the discount double-check the championship belt,

you think that's a little ironic now since you haven't won one in a long time?

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

Good answer.

Good answer.

Let's see.

What else do we have?

Here's one.

Do you think that if the NFC North was a better division,

then you'd have better success in the playoffs? Is Big Cats or is Bears actually not preparing you enough? No, I think the North is a tough division. It's a gritty division.
I think we can all agree on that. It is gritty.
Okay, when you said that the 49ers were going to regret not drafting you when they're 4-0 against you in the playoffs. Is that regret or is that – what is that? What would you describe that as? How many Super Bowls have they won in the last 18 years? Doing the math right now.
I mean, the lights went out. That kind of screwed them.
Oh, no, that actually helped them, I think. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
But they didn't win that one. They also had one of the most iconic defenses in the last 30 years as well and didn't win any.
But Before, no. When you're dropping down on draft day, are you doing the math like, please God, somebody pick me before Washington? Well, Washington would have picked Campbell I think anyway.
You think so? Supposedly they liked them more than they liked me. I was honestly thinking when the Raiders trade up at 23 I I was like, whoa.
There we go. Maybe take somebody else.
When it's Green Bay and you know the situation that you're going into, it's, you know, Brett Favre's the guy. Yeah.
Also, it's cold. You're Cali boy.
Yeah. Were you at first like, ah, shit? Yeah.
Of course. I mean, I couldn't have picked it out on a map, to be honest with you.
And I feel like I'm pretty good with states and capitals and geography. But the Packers was the worst interviewer at the Combine.
So it was at the Combine. I was sitting in front of a group like this.
But camera right here, Mike Sherman, the whole room. And it was a tough interview.
I felt like they were grilling me. I thought this was like, you know, a little like love session where we're kind of loving you know you're loving me up a little bit and i'm kind of you know being you know nice and funny maybe but it was not that i came back i was like well doesn't matter they're picking 24th i'll never last that long another sliding doors moment famous last story um i love asking athletes this what's the one thing that fans just totally get wrong in terms of your day-to-day like season life everything this is where you can basically subtweet everyone it's a grind but it's a balanced grind i think a lot of guys like to talk about you know they're i'm up at 5 30 watching film and doing this and grinding all night that's overkill to me you know as somebody who's had success in the league, it's balance.
People are always like, oh, your schedule must be crazy. I've got to talk to you in the offseason.
No, no, no, no. Wednesday and Thursday are busy, and Tuesday you're working on the plan.
But the schedule in the NFL is pretty nice. And we're creatures of habit.
We love the routine. It's a mental grind, but it's not a crazy schedule.
I feel like there's a mission for the reasons when you're watching film, too. It's like you can watch eight hours of film a day, and at some point you start to phase it out.
You can't watch eight hours of anything a day. You can't, no.
Why would you want to do that? Do you have anything in your contract saying you have to watch four hours over the course of a week? I don't. All right, last question.
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What are you macro dosing? Pizza? You know. What are you, an XL? Yeah.
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I appreciate that. All right.
you a gift because i did say we were you were nice enough to do this um so please accept my gift i guess that's not a question but please accept my gift if you want to open it on air this is a joke i got you no i got you your favorite scotch snake in here nope they told me this is aaron's favorite scotch so i got him his favorite scotch in the entire world what is there something gonna bite me so there you go a card in there too. Do you want to read the card to the people? Hey, thank you.
Yeah, that's your favorite scotch, right? It's my favorite scotch. Yeah.
Wolfburn. I actually couldn't find your favorite scotch, so I just got you that.
Yeah, you didn't try very hard, obviously. Yeah, I love it.
Okay, all right. And then maybe read the card and then we'll end there.
Oh, how's the COVID toe, by the way? Yeah, it's pretty good. Okay.
Yeah's doing good. The lesions are gone, I believe.
Thank you. What do I open first? No, that was just filler, so it looked like the bag was bigger.
I just had to find random pictures and stuff and just – What? Oh, is it – It's the same picture. It's the same picture.
It's the same picture? Is that Shane McClellan? That's the highlight of his career, I think. It is.
Listen, if you told me when we drafted him in the first round, he would break your collarbone and do nothing else, he'd be like, sign me up. Yeah, that's really nice.
Oh, there's another. Oh, shit.
There's another one there, too. Oh, yeah.
So I said thank you. Yeah, thanks so much.
What did I say in there? I can't remember what I wrote. Thanks for coming on PMT.

You're the worst.

Love PMT.

Not love.

Just Dash, PMT, and Shea McClellan.

Yeah.

Two of them on here.

Thank you to Shea.

Yes.

Well, thank you, Eric.

She actually apologized after that.

It was a nice apology on the field.

He did?

That was 2013 on the field before that game. Yeah.
Yeah. That was a great moment on the field.
He did? That was 2013 on the field before that game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was a great moment when you got hurt. I mean, it was for me personally.
I don't root for injuries, but when they happen, what are you going to say? No? Let me just say this. Let me ask you a question to finish this.
2018, right, I go down the first quarter. and then

Mac has pick six

sack fumble

uh 2018, right? I go down the first quarter. And then Mac has pick six, sack fumble.
It's 20 to three, 20 to nothing. And then you see me come back on the field.
What are you thinking? I think my tweets at the time were like, Mac is the best player on this field. The Packers have no answer for this defense.
The Bears are going to ruin Aaron Rodgers' life for the rest of his career. And then you came back and you did that.
And, yeah, that was a bad one. That was a really bad one.
That was the postgame where you had the spontaneous southern accent. Yeah.
I love that. You sprinkle that in sometimes.
I do. My knee.
My knee. My trick knee's acting up.
Yeah. That was a bad one.
Listen, you get to – Thanks, Eric. Appreciate that.
You're 23-5 against the Bears. I know it.
It's a fact. Am I going to allow him to do that? Yeah, he just offered you on the way out.
Dan Campbell is the only one that's allowed to call me that. Why? Because he's an alpha plus.
He's got a lot of grit. Yes.
He does. He's got a lot of grit.
All right. Thank you, Aaron.
You were one of our white whales, so we appreciate it. Still don't like you, but I respect you more.
I like you. I don't like what you've done to him.
Don't say that. I like you, and I really like you.
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Okay, that was Aaron Rodgers.

Again, I really think he was trying to win me over with kindness.

I'm not going to let it happen. He said he really likes you.
Yeah, but also doesn't consume any of your stuff, but then also notice my weight and also said, remember Ford field. So also the NFC North just has no respect for the dead.
And I kind of, they don't him and Dan Campbell just dead naming me left and right. Yeah.
me left and right yeah yeah that's true disgusting well actually it does make sense that aaron rogers would not have respect for somebody's brother yeah that's true that's absolutely true which you made that

joke i didn't because i have always been like i'll try to get you in jail i'll tell you that

you're the biggest piece of shit ever but i'll never make fun of your family oh well i guess

i guess i'm the asshole yeah you're the asshole now but i will say this i do think we will probably

We have a great day. the biggest piece of shit ever but i'll never make fun of your family oh well i guess i guess i'm the asshole yeah you're the asshole now but i will say this i do think we will probably have him on again like i thought that went well i've i've i've conversed with him a little bit afterwards and a little bit of a tight time too a little tight time yeah we didn't definitely could definitely go longer oh i we could have done two hours but we had, it was actually, we got there and he had practice and then a meeting and he came and let us interview him during like his like 45 minute break.
So it was, it was a tight time. Great.
We got the little wrap it up. That was like, I have like 15 more questions.
All time. All time.
Great. All right.
One more question. And you guys squeeze like, I, like, I think 10.
Yeah, people don't see that part. But when Hank does, I'll always notice Hank in the background because he has – shout out the PR for the Packers, Tom, who's very nice to us.
We met him a few years ago when he had us there for LaFleur. And also Peggy knows him well.
Peggy does a great job with us. But Hank got the notice from Tom that we had to wrap it up.

Hank gave me the wrap it up.

And I was like, yeah.

And then I just kept on going.

Kept on going.

He's like giving me the look.

I'm like, you saw him say.

Actually, grit weak memory.

That's all I can do.

Grit weak memory about that.

Like back in the day when we finally got Harbaugh and JT, his guy guy who who i i'm still keeping touch with good guy he doesn't work there anymore but afterwards he pulled me aside he's like hey when you asked for this interview you said you only needed 20 minutes and then you took an hour he's like what what happened there was like yeah sometimes you just get carried away well also harbaugh liked doing the interview so like he was he stop talking either. He was more asking me.
He wasn't mad. It was more of like, how'd you do that? What kind of Jedi mindset did you do? I've got to be able to stop the next people who do this to me.
Well, we just lied. That's our trick.
Yeah. Although I don't think that we intentionally went into it being like, we're going to go for an hour with Coach Harbaugh.
No. It just happened.
This one with Rodgers, we had a hard out, and we pushed to the limit. He probably was eating lunch in the meeting.
Yeah, no, he was late to his meeting. He didn't get to eat lunch and then go to the meeting.
He was probably in the meeting eating lunch. I was thinking about that.
Could we get him fined? That would be great. Or how sick would it be if he didn't learn a specific play because he spent too much time with us? He something very important and then he fucks up against the bears yeah or the playoffs that's fine we learned that too yeah he got you thank you for having my back there in that moment when he's like it's pathetic that all you care about is my losses i was like dude i got it i got a lot of super bowl rings yep i got like fucking 10 of them um okay let's do it we're gonna do Rushmore of NFL coaches.
You won on your side in a fight in honor of Grit Week. Who goes first? Who won last time? You guys did.
Also, shout out to me and Billy. We didn't get last for the first time.
Yes, the corn bet. Hey, Jake, hang the banner.
Yes, yes. You guys do need a banner.
We have momentum. Yes.
Yes.

Wait, who came in last place then?

Well, there was a bet where people wanted to see Billy or Big Cat.

I didn't retweet.

Yeah, I didn't retweet it either.

Yeah.

So we proved what we were saying all along.

You said we were a system about Rushmore team.

Wait, do we have to bleep out the MR word?

What?

Oh, you go first?

No, no, no. That's not how it works, memes.
Memes trying to go first. I say we go first.
You're an idiot, memes. We'll go first.
Who do we want to go second? Let's have Jake and Billy go second. Okay.
All right. So you guys will go third.
Our first pick is Dan Campbell. Yep.
Easy pick. Easy pick.
Easiest pick in the world. I think he still does get into fights.
Yeah. Oh, definitely.
Wearing the grit hat, like talking about biting kneecaps. He's doing the up-downs.
Hard Knocks tomorrow. Also tomorrow.
Hard Knocks, yes. Meet and greet.
Meet and greet, yes. Where is the meet and greet? What times? I believe it's called Tom's.
Tom's. Right next to Coors Field.
Okay. Are we doing 5 to 7? I think we're going to do 4.30 to 6.30.
4.30 Mountain Time.

Yeah, 4.30 to 6.30.

Hard out at 6.30.

We apologize if you can't get there by 6.30,

but we do have to get to our host's house for hard knocks.

You can't miss hard knocks.

You understand.

And also, I think the Rockies game starts at 7,

so most people are probably going to be going in the Rockies game.

So 4.30 to 6.30.

Come say what's up. We'll be there.
What? There's a food challenge there. Oh, shit.
At the supermarket? At the watch bar. Great.
So you'll just be doing that to the side. No, that's perfect.
I think. Okay.
Imagine if you did it with an audience. Here's a little tip, content tip.
There's a food challenge every place we go. Okay? Because we can come up with one.
The best, I will say, Billy did a good job prepping he sent the lists and like maps and locations and stuff and i was like going through with him at the airport and the and the one there's like a steakhouse and he's like it's just like a really nice steakhouse i was like what's what is the challenge he's like well they they definitely have a challenge i was like you just want to go i was like we definitely can go there like it's good to have you know good restaurants to find but like yeah this is just this is just a steakhouse like he wanted the boys to go to which i'm down to it also should go rocky mountain oysters yeah i think we're gonna find a lot of those though here can you eat the most expensive uh steak on the company card challenge damn did it all right so dan campbell's our first easy easy first pick i think i think dan campbell could actually step in if if he like they didn't draw attention to him entering the game wearing a full uniform and you just put him on the defensive line. I actually think he could get two reps in before people were like, who's that guy playing defensive tackle? Yes, yes.
Okay, you guys have next pick. Vrabes.
Okay, that was easy. That was easy.
I was going to be so mad if you guys fucked that up. Easy.
And no disrespect to Vrabel. It's just that you got Van Campbell to compete with now.
I think also, yeah, like Vrabel is easy number two. It's more that Dan Campbell, I feel like he just has less to lose.
And he cries too. Yeah.
Like any time that somebody cries openly, is not afraid. I can't see Vrabel crying.
I feel like Vrabel, if he started to like well up with emotion at the podium, he would just like break the microphone in half and leave. Right.
And Dan Campbell is like, he channels that emotion. And also Mike Vrabel is very successful.
Like he's won Super Bowls. He's coach of the year.
So there's got to be a part of him like, why am I even in this fight? Whereas Dan Campbell, the fight is the most important thing in his life at that moment. Yep.
This one I think is also pretty obvious but might not be to the naked eye. It's Sean McDermott.
Okay. We have him on the list.
He's a little pit bull. He was a back-to-back national prep champion wrestler, like all-time good wrestler.
He had a 61-0 record surrendering just one takedown. Wow.
It's like you get in a fight. How many people that you're fighting know how to wrestle? When the wrestling guys you see in the UFC all the time, you can be a great fighter, you can be a great striker, you can be strong as shit.
All of a sudden, the guy takes you down. There's nothing you can do.
You never fuck with a wrestler. And he's an unbelievable wrestler.
I had some friends that wrestled for a couple years in college, and they were by far the last guys that you wanted to fight with. And they're always the first guys you want to try to get a fight.
And they just know how to angle. Because they're so calm.
And they're usually the small guys. Everyone says, oh, they can't do anything, and then they will just pin you.
They're so calm, too. They can get you on the ground, it's over.
If they get Dan Campbell on the ground, it's over. If they get Vrabel on the ground, it's over.
There's nothing. They're getting taken down, and they're just going to be be choked out they're just used to physical contact all the time yeah they're very comfortable and then this one's more a little bit more of an obvious one just size matters doug marone from the bronx he's not oh i mean does he lose your pick that should be a vacated pick yep the vikings that should be a vacated pick fuck no whose choice is that memes no i think you get a pick at the end of the draft i think it's like the we we skip you and you come back you still get to do four yeah but i i mean that's tough it's not hard to he didn't coach last year it's not hard to have yeah yeah yeah yeah urban meyer you guys are right yeah okay so we'll come back and you'll get another picture my bad yikes memes is bad big yikes wait was it me you memes no damn i said it so hanks just throwing memes under the bus no i mean i said it like memes supposed to be my guy oh wait so he didn't tell you that you were wrong yeah okay which is yeah bad job memes that's a team thing okay guys next pick.
All right, we are going to continue the Mike train with Tomlin.

Shit.

We thought we'd get him later.

He's intense, yeah.

Yeah, that's a good pick.

I feel like Mike Tomlin's a good guy to have on your side and fight

because he can just look at the opponent.

Or trip.

Yeah, he could trip him.

Good call.

But people would just walk away and be like, I'm not fighting that guy.

PFT, I feel like we have just great pick. I think we take the list I sent you back when we did the just NFL coaches.
I think we should go with three and four there. Yeah, I like that a lot.
I mean, that's easy. Why don't you go with three and just right in Billy's face.
Sala. Yeah.
So easy. So easy.
Dude is jacked as hell. Shaved head.
A little Vin Diesel action going on. He's got long arms, too.
I feel like he could choke you the fuck out. He's got good reach.
He's very important. We thought you guys wouldn't take him.
We were going to have him later. Yeah.
Yeah. You're not.
Easy pick. The guy's got fucking muscles for days.
And does he live in a hotel? Still, maybe. I think he's got a house now.
He might have a house now. But anybody that lives in a hotel for months at a time, they can usually handle themselves.
Okay, our next pick, another former player in the NFL, been around forever, Todd Bowles. Todd Bowles.
Washed. What? Washed? You're lashing out.
Todd Bowles would kick your fucking ass. My ass.
He played safety in the 90s. Do you know how violent of a person you have to be to play safety in the NFL in the 1990s? That's an intense dude, too.
Yeah. You're just mad because you didn't realize that fucking Bruce Arians isn't the coach anymore.
Doug Marone. I mean, we love Doug, but he literally hasn't been the coach in a year and a half.
Hank is flustered. That's how bad that pick is.
I get it know. I understand.
It would be one thing if it went Doug Brown to Doug Peterson. It's like you got your Dougs crossed up.
You skipped Urban Meyer's entire two-win season. How could you? All right.
The boys are talking. Go ahead, Billy.
Sean McVay. What? Oh, my God.
High energy. That's a terrible pick.
No, that's not terrible. That's not terrible.
We're going to quit this podcast for real now. But he's probably one of the most physically able coaches.
I thought we were coming in third, and now I'm like, all right, we can fight back. Sean McVay is— Whose pick was this, Jake? He fucking goes to a salon.
He manicures his facial hair. I green it but it was billy's idea but i will take some responsibility too he definitely can bring the like out of all the coaches a lot of older like he's gonna still bring the heat no no he's ready willing and able no he's absolutely not fire starter energy guy no dude he's a hollywood dude who takes his shirt off now was your fourth pick cliff kingsbury no i think sean mcveigh is a little more physical than sean mcveigh sean mcveigh is smaller than i am he's five time no i've stood next to sean mcveigh quite a few times yeah yeah he is he's i i've been there for those times for those standings standoffs i think i think you guys are wrong but sean mcveigh okay okay i if if it were like we had to pick every nfl coach he would eventually get picked but i don't think he's what what is this like the the ninth pick there are 32 coaches that's right top 10 yeah sean mcveigh's top 20 but not top maybe 10.
I think he's one of the most physically able of the coaches. He's not going to fuck you, bro.
Hank, you have two. I mean, these don't count.
Let's see if anyone here is still coaching. Hank's like Bill Parsons.
You want me to just give the two picks memes to me? Greg Sciano, Brett Bielma. So we had those on our list too for college.
No. No.
Wasn't it Hank's idea to change it? You're the leader of this team. Take some accountability.
It was Hank's idea to make it. Hank was the one who said...
Yeah, I know. I said that too.
So why would you throw one of the bus there? Because he just texted me those two seconds ago after that debacle of Doug Maroon.

It's all right.

It's my team, my responsibility.

You got to run a tight ship. Again, this is why I love Team Mount Rushmore because you were seeing Hank's true leadership.
It's why everyone says Barstool is going downhill. Oh, my God.

All right, we're going to go with another defensive beast Coach On the battle On the way back Ron Rivera There we go Good pick Former player That's a good pick Yeah We had him on our list Big dude Physical dude Good pick I said Ron Rivera He said He vetoed me with McVay Here's the thing I pointed it to Ron Rivera If you said Ron Rivera Ron Rivera is to Sean McVay I know He could complete an eating challenge He literally beat the shit out of cancer If Sean McVay wanted to Pretend that he was Ron Rivera He would have to get in a trench coat and go on Sean McVay's shoulders. Wait, Billy, did you just say that you didn't want to pick Rivera because he just had cancer? No, no, I said he beat the shit out of cancer.
He'd be great to have on your team in a fight. So why'd you say McVay? Because I forgot about Ron Rivera.
I pointed to him a second before. Well, then why? It's fine.
I'm sure Sean McVay beat the shit out of Botox one day last year, where the next day your face hurts a little. He bounced back.
Oh, Hank's thinking. Good pick.
Want to throw memes under the bus one more time? No, memes are doing great. Love memes.
Great guy.

This is where it gets tough.

This is the reason you did say NFL only.

You said that.

Yeah, no, this is the reason because it gets more contentious.

If we did NFL in college, then everyone would just be like, you know, good pick, good pick.

There's enough to go around where it's like.

Sean McVay gets picked in the third round.

That makes it contentious.

So for our third pick pick should be fourth pick,

which is going to get weird at the end, I guess.

More so that he's not a psycho himself, but when you have to grow up with one of the all-time psychos in Jim Harbaugh,

John Harbaugh is just like, he's been through some shit.

He's fought them all.

Yeah, he's definitely got his ass kicked a lot.

If it's an NFL coach fighting NFL coaches,

like he has more experience fighting an NFL coach than. harbaz don't quit either right like he wouldn't quit but i mean didn't jim tell us the story how he almost drowned him right he held his head underwater in the ocean yeah and wait did john where did john play uh Uh, no.
I was going to say. Somewhere in California, maybe?

Yeah, he played at the D3.

Probably Ohio somewhere then.

Where did he play?

Did he play?

I'm pretty sure.

Didn't he play in the.

Miami of Ohio.

He played for the Colts.

No.

You're looking at the wrong Harbaugh.

Yeah, Miami of Ohio.

Yeah, human body craves contact. It's a good point.
He shares DNA with Jim Harbaugh. And he's had to fight Jim Harbaugh his whole life.
So it's like he might not be a fighter himself, but he, again, has fought. Yeah, he knows what it's like.
Yep, I like it. I like it.
On your team in a fight, you need size, and that's why we're going with Andy Reid. Okay.
Good pick. Good pick.
No. He's Yokozuna.
No, he's Yokozuna. He just sit on someone.
He's old, and he's huge. He will be huge.
Have you seen his stats? But he's not mobile. His stats when he doesn't need to.
He just throw in half. Yeah.
That man is a fighter. I think the argument for Andy Reid is, no, it's that it would never get to a fight if you have andy reed with you like no one would be like i want to fight that big dude also if if you did get into like a big group fight i feel like two guys have to be hanging off andy reed at any given time like like when the raptors take out the t-rex in jurassic park at the very end spoiler alert yeah that's like what you're looking at in that situation where andy's got like two other coaches dangling off his arms and then it frees you up to take out the rest yes all right pft what do we want to do with our last one it's tricky at this point so um do we go for the brains yeah i think we do i think yeah yeah bill belichick yeah that was what i was that's what i was debating i i i thought if we took him then then one of you guys would probably take Harbaugh.
Yeah, we would have. But Belichick was on our list.
That's where the mispick fucks me. Yeah.
I think Belichick is the kind of guy that probably works out by boxing, recreational. He's probably studied Joe Johnson tapes from 1920 and knows all the – he probably fights with the fighting Irish leprechaun hands with the two hands.
I also feel like he's a big-time pressure point guy. He could just walk up to you and you would faint.
Yeah, he'd do the five-finger heart buster or whatever. He also feels like he would be kind of similar to – he's a little older now, but Dalton in Roadhouse where he sees all the angles and he sees a fucking guy with a knife in his boot before the knife even comes out of his boot.
So that kind of shit. Yeah, you need the mental side.
All right, I feel great about R4. R4 is awesome.
Great about R4. How is it possible that we keep getting that hurt? Yeah, you screwed up with Doug Marone and Sean McVay.
We've talked about it, but... Yeah.
No, if we had Ed Harbaugh and Belichick and our other two, I think we probably don't win, but whatever. I mean, yeah.
That's like that. You just tank the entire draft, which is fine.
So we got a choice between two here. I feel like we're playing Mount Rushmore in like the old, like 10 years ago, AFC East.
Yeah. Where it's like, me and Big Cat, you know, we might have a couple off days, but you guys, no no but you guys keep finding a way to like shoot yourself yeah right it's not no I mean we make great picks I did make a mistake today but this wasn't like this was anyone could have won this one and there were just mistakes made along the way you passed up a pick and they put pick Sean and no one said you know we've won yeah I mean really yeah yeah okay okay here we go we'll just go I'm in between two but I'm one of the two why don't you talk it out because it's the last pick well yeah I'll talk it out it's Doug Peterson and Dable and I just Doug Peterson and I'm just gonna pick Dable because we almost like Dable and yeah I don't really like I'm actually shocked.
So PFT and I had one other name that we were two other names we were throwing around. One.
We thought everyone would forget. Lovey Smith, Texans head coach.
Definitely. Age definitely quite a factor for me.
And then Nick Sirianni. We were, we were saying on the side text that like Sirianni definitely thinks he's Rocky.
I think Sirianni has a gun. Yeah.
A couple of guys. I think he carries around a gun with him just like when he's on the streets, just in case shit goes down.
Yeah. Mike McDaniel would have been a funny pick, too.
Who? Mike McDaniel, I think, would be on the Flushmore. I think McDaniel's won it.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Like, with the other ones. Flushmore, McDermott.
I mean, Flushmore, McVay, Kingsbury. Kingsbury.
Kingsbury. Maybe Josh McDaniels.
Probably not doing much in a fight. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm trying to think who else would be on the floor.
There's kind of a lot of nerd coaches now. Brandon Staley, I like him a lot, but I don't know if he'd be the fight guy.
Kyle Shanahan. Well, I guess Kyle played receiver.
Yeah, Kyle Shanahan's got a little grit to him. He definitely has a knife.
Yeah. He's a knife guy.
He's got some grit under his. He's got one of those switchblades that just like folds out.
He just sits there just like playing with it. LeFleur, definitely on a knife yeah he's a knife guy he's got some great under he's got he's got one of those switch blades that just like folds out he just sits there just like playing with it leflore definitely on the mount floor he couldn't fucking beat up a fucking fly oh no chance kevin stefanski i don't think he's no he's yeah he's too good looking yeah who's the bears coach uh eberflus yeah i'm based on name arthur smith.
Although he probably could take a punch with that jaw or lack thereof. It's like he's got a broken jaw.
Oh, no, he nevermind. He has no jaw.
So when we originally started to do this, we were talking about college coaches and I thought that your pick of Shiano or B. Limo were two.
Those are two that I had on the list there. I also had Kalani Sataki because the coach he's the coach at BYU he actually his chin just goes into his shoulders yeah he doesn't have a neck at all you cannot knock that man and when I when we were talking about college coaches I had obviously Harbaugh but then Jeff Brom sneaky for that XFL clip when he was concussed seven different ways he was like gotta go back in there plays football time early.
All-time early PMT club. Yeah.
Super viral. Yeah.
Oh, Jeff Brom, White Whale. I was joking.
That was a joke. Yeah, sorry.
All right, you guys have any other honorable mentions? Any other thoughts? I mean, we were thinking Pete Carroll. Oh, Pete Carroll, I could see.
You could convince me on Pete Carroll and just like he's a fitness freak and he's got age. You know who also would be maybe the worst, like worse than Mike McDaniel, is Matt Rule.
He'd just be spitting on himself, just fucking puke. He'd get punched in the stomach and just puke everywhere.
I think Matt Rule would get into a fight

and become so overwhelmed with anxiety.

He would just faint like a possum.

He would just lay on the ground perfectly still.

Although, I did remember,

I think we were about to interview him once

and I read some stories about him.

He did, when he was trying to turn around Temple,

he put on the pads and tried to fight his players.

I love that.

And played a ball in the ring. He just gets knocked out.
Yeah, he was trying to get some toughness with the Temple team. Who else we got? I don't know enough about Hackett.
I don't know if Hackett could kick any ass or not. Hackett, Kevin O'Connell.
Probably not. Probably not.
Yeah. I don't know.
There's a lot of guys that are just like, eh, probably not. Okay.
I'm trying to think if there's anyone we missed.

Going through the list in my head.

Oh, Zach Taylor.

No.

Oh, yeah.

I forgot.

You went to a Super Bowl.

Yeah.

No.

And again, I don't think I would recognize him if he were in this room.

No.

No.

Definitely not.

Okay.

Let's do numbers.

Send everyone off.

You got the same.

Evan Rogers. Two.
Six to nine. Big interview coming Wednesday.
Grit week. Get excited.
Make sure you're following all the accounts. 26.
Eight. Jonah? Nine.
81. That's three.
I will do 27. Whatever number we get, we should play it in the roulette table.
Yes. Here we go.
62. Hit it again so we get our number for roulette.
74. Hit it again so we get our number for roulette.
87. Hit it again so we get our number for roulette.
49. Hit it again so we can get our number for roulette.
70. Hit it again.
69. Wait, does that count? No.
34. All right, 34.
There it is. Playing 34.

Yeah, that's not going to work.

Is there a red or black generator that you can hit?

Just like randomly?

Just flip a coin.

Let's go eat some steaks.

Actually, we should flip a coin.

We're going to get this boy's belly expanded.

Love you guys.

Jaguars eat ayahuasca and trip balls.

That's kind of good. Packers do good.
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Take me away. Take me away.
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Stay up to me

Life's no better to be safe than something

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I'll be gone

Things that we say

Every little I hope

Just to play my birthday

You're all the things I've got to remember

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