Warriors Win The NBA Finals, Hank Was Live On The Wood For Game 6, Golf Writer Bob Harig From The US Open Plus Cubs Patrick Wisdom And Frank Schwindel

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Speaker 4 On today's part in my take, the Golden State Warriors are NBA champions. We have Henry Lockwood live from the wood post-game.
He was forced to watch the entire celebration and not leave the wood.

Speaker 4 We're going to get his recap. We're going to talk about the NBA Finals.
We have a packed show. We have golf.
We have hockey.

Speaker 4 We have Stephen Chea becoming the fantasy commissioner of Mike Trout's Fantasy Football League. We have great interview with Bob Herrig talking golf.

Speaker 4 We have Patrick Wisdom and Frank Schwindell on the show.

Speaker 4 Just a heads up. We taped it last week.

Speaker 4 We've had some events. The Cubs have gotten significantly worse in the past week, which is hard to say, but it is the truth.

Speaker 4 And then we have Firefest, which is also an all-time Billy moment. So make sure you tune in.
There's a lot, a lot going on on today's show.

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Speaker 4 Today is Friday, June 17th, and the Golden State Warriors are your NBA champions.

Speaker 4 Steph Curry puts an absolute stamp on his legacy, four-time champion, wins his MVP.

Speaker 4 What a series. And not really what a series, but what a dynasty by them.
And PFT, I'll start with you, but I think everyone just wants to hear from Hank.

Speaker 6 No, yeah, I'll keep it short and sweet. It is June 17th, and Hank Lockwood is dead.
Steph Curry is now in the conversation for best basketball player of all time.

Speaker 4 All time.

Speaker 6 But he still hasn't had the MVP trophy handed to him by the commissioner yet because we had the backup commissioner that filled in for silver and did that tonight.

Speaker 6 I'm sure that somebody will bring that up tomorrow on one of the shows. But most importantly,

Speaker 6 there was somebody weighed in, a very important sports figure. weighed in Lil B.

Speaker 6 And he said, Warriors better than Bulls and Jordan Warriors, Warriors best team to ever do it. Warriors better than Jordan.

Speaker 4 So, there you have it.

Speaker 6 This team is the greatest basketball team ever assembled. So, at least you can take solace in that, Hank.
You lost to the best team of all time, according to Lil B.

Speaker 4 The debates will be fun off of this one. Um, but we should

Speaker 4 talk about the game. And we had our live correspondent, Henry Lockwood, uh, on the wood, on the court, for game six.

Speaker 4 Hank,

Speaker 8 I mean, I'm just sad. Like, I'm very, very sad.

Speaker 8 I

Speaker 4 well, first of all, like, it's just one of those things where it's crazy.

Speaker 8 Like, I, I do, I like sitting in those seats, I feel like an imposter. I'm like, why am I sitting in these seats? And I don't know that I'll ever sit in those seats again.

Speaker 8 So I was just trying to take it all in, and it was an unbelievable experience sitting there.

Speaker 8 The game part of it absolutely fucking sucked. Watching the Warriors come back to the bench and hearing them celebrating absolutely sucked.

Speaker 6 Kind of right in your face

Speaker 1 a little bit.

Speaker 4 Can I ask a question real quick about the seats?

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 9 Big cat.

Speaker 4 Did you think about doing anything about that guy that was boxing you out all night? Because he was dominating you guys.

Speaker 8 No, I mean, no, I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 The guy to your left.

Speaker 8 He was boxing me out.

Speaker 4 I mean, he was dominating the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I didn't notice that.

Speaker 8 He was, he had some, some, some G-rated chirps that were tough to listen to.

Speaker 4 Oh, no.

Speaker 4 He actually listened. He actually took Clay's statement to heart and was like, we got to clean this up.
We got to get it.

Speaker 8 He was like, come on, come on, Clay. Don't beat us tonight.

Speaker 8 And then said, good luck to Steve Kerr before the game. But Steve Kerr turned around.
I was like, thank you. Like, that's how close it was.
Where it was like, he's like, good luck, coach. And then

Speaker 8 he turned around. I was like, thanks, man.

Speaker 6 Wow. Boston's soft.

Speaker 7 Oh, you changed Boston.

Speaker 6 Hank, I have a serious question about the game, though.

Speaker 4 Sure. PFT.

Speaker 6 Yeah, thanks for calling on me, Hank.

Speaker 6 What was the logic that went behind changing your shirt? And did you bring like a backup shirt to wear or did you find that? Did you buy it new in the stands? How did that work out?

Speaker 8 I was going to wear this shirt that we just came out with for Derek White, who fucking sucks, is maybe the worst player in the last two games.

Speaker 8 So that was just dumb on my part because I thought about it after game three.

Speaker 8 And by the time the shirt was made, he was just an absolute garbage can.

Speaker 8 But I wore that to the pop-up shop. And then Dave was like, it'd be funny if we wore these mashing Celtics and seven shirts.
So I just put that on over my Derrick White shirt.

Speaker 8 And then the third quarter, it was bad. Like they had no momentum.
You know, it felt like, it felt like the game was over, honestly, in the in the second quarter.

Speaker 8 And going into the third quarter, I just took it off and was like, if there's any chance, if there's anything I can do, let me switch shirts.

Speaker 9 And they kind of started to fight back, but they just never, they just never got over the hump.

Speaker 8 Like they just, they would take it to nine, turn the ball over. They would hit a three, we would hit a three.

Speaker 8 We would get a stop, turn the ball over. Like they just couldn't get that score, stop, score, stop, score that they needed to come all the way back and get it within like five or six.

Speaker 8 They just, they just couldn't get over the hump. Jason Tatum played really, really, really fucking bad.
Mark Smart played pretty fucking, he was just, he was wild.

Speaker 8 He like, I mean, it's just Marcus Smart, you live and die with him, but he was, he was wilding out.

Speaker 6 Was it the moment too big for Tatum? It's like Al Tuve is Tatum. Double teams.
It's like he never gone. Judge is the moment.

Speaker 8 Well, he's just never gone double team before, I guess.

Speaker 4 Hank, do you want to keep doing doom and gloom or we can cheer you? We can try to cheer you up.

Speaker 4 Sure. Big cat.
All right. Well, I'll try to cheer you up.
And I want to talk about the Warriors, too, after this. But I mean,

Speaker 4 that sucked for you. And that was a brutal ending, especially because that 12-2 start, you're like, oh, geez, like, this is

Speaker 4 going through.

Speaker 4 And turns out that was like them emptying the tank.

Speaker 4 I did think that the Celtics fighting, like, it's going to sound like loser talk, but deserves a tiny bit of credit because there was a moment there where it was like, are the Warriors going to win by 40?

Speaker 4 And like, Steph is going to spend the last 24 minutes of this game dancing and like rocking the baby to sleep.

Speaker 4 And so them fighting fighting a little bit there was nice robert williams again probably the like

Speaker 4 jalen brown played really well but like robert williams like he was everywhere he'll never give up um and i what i would say hank in a spin zone for you is this team is still young like i said jason tatum 14 years old like he's gonna be he'll learn and he was a no-show but he'll learn and he'll get better and you can't right like isn't there something about that like that you can you can go to bed being like this is the growing pains of the NBA.

Speaker 4 This is what good teams have to do to become great.

Speaker 6 Tatum might have just kind of shown his true colors. Like, that's who he is under the bright lights.
I don't know. But that's a good spin zone, Hank.

Speaker 4 I'm just trying to help you, Hank.

Speaker 8 I mean, I feel like the only real good comparison to the Celtics team is the fucking thunder, and they never got back.

Speaker 4 You've never, by the way, I don't, I don't want to make any of this about me, but you have not congratulated me about my future yet. Fuck you.

Speaker 4 You haven't.

Speaker 6 Everyone else did. I just feel bad for the city of Boston.

Speaker 6 There are kids in Boston that are about to start preschool that have never seen a parade.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's tough.

Speaker 4 So Hank, what, did you have to, you had to sit there and watch the entire uh is that like a issue with being on the wood? They were like, you actually have to stay and watch this entire presentation?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I was actually, we got told, you know, the guy that was walking us to and from our seats told us basically, he's like, you guys can either leave with like three minutes left, but if you stay, you have to like, we're not going to be able to get you out until like, you know, the stage gets out there and stuff.

Speaker 8 We didn't stay for the whole trophy ceremony, but we had to stay and watch them celebrate for like the, for 10 minutes after.

Speaker 4 What was the worst part, Billy? Sorry, I know you're falling asleep. What was the worst part of

Speaker 4 like, what was the worst part? Well, I was a dream on quickly, quickly before.

Speaker 8 I mean,

Speaker 8 I'll just tell this funny story, but the so we knew that we knew we had to stay there. And we had security next to us.

Speaker 8 And the people next to us basically were like, didn't know or whatever and just tried to power through. And the security guard put his arm out.
And this guy just like

Speaker 8 just mowed right over him. And the security guard like had to chase him down and hold him back.
And like the guy who I'm sure probably paid fucking

Speaker 8 six figures for tickets was like, I'm not like, why are you stopping me? Like, I'm leaving. And the guy was like, no, you're not.
It was, it was, it was pretty wild.

Speaker 4 That's

Speaker 6 he was like taken prisoner.

Speaker 4 That's a fucking well, the guy was like, he was trying to get out.

Speaker 8 And the security guy was like, we can't, like, you know, we can't let you leave. And the guy was like, I'm going to fucking leave.
And the guy was like, I can't let you leave. Like.

Speaker 8 Jesus. It was a standoff.
So it was. And the guy just, and the guy just, and the guy just, and basically just ran away.

Speaker 4 And you're getting out of here. Yeah.

Speaker 8 The security guy was like, okay, fuck.

Speaker 6 You watching the trophy presentation and all that stuff.

Speaker 8 that's like when digs watched the chiefs get their trophy afterwards you want to you want to watch you want to feel that sting so you remember it so you fight harder next time i would say the worst part i mean draymond's threes were tough the third quarter the beginning of the third quarter when they just came out turned the ball over gave up a three turned the ball over like it they had the chance

Speaker 8 And they just, or it was being in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 I forgot what it is. Yeah, they cut it to eight.

Speaker 8 They were cut it to eight. Yeah, they cut it.
They were, it was being in the fourth quarter, my bad.

Speaker 8 because they had cut it to to 12 or whatever it just it just felt like they were right there and they just didn't come out with any any fire any desire yeah um hold on cut this part billy just turn off your camera i don't want to watch you doze off in my face um

Speaker 4 yeah i just don't i like it's very distracting um

Speaker 4 okay back

Speaker 4 Well, there's no positive spin zone right now. You're just going to have to soak in it like how bad it was.

Speaker 4 But like, there's, I mean, you have to be be able to be like, that was an incredible, at least run.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 I'm trying to help you, Hank. I'm trying to pull you out of the, out of the depths here.

Speaker 4 I'm trying to pull you out of your grave because I saw that Henry Lockwood who double fist pumped and looked like his entire, he lost control of his entire body when they cut it to eight, like you said.

Speaker 6 And he looked like he was getting electrocuted.

Speaker 4 It was crazy. He really was.
He was, he was, uh, he was Marv from uh Home Alone or Harry, I came from Harry from Marvone.

Speaker 8 No, it was Marv.

Speaker 6 Harry was Joe Pesci. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That was Dave.

Speaker 8 Besides the 12 to 2 opening run, that was the only glimmer of hope. Like besides that, it was just battling back or just watching them just cash threes in our face.

Speaker 4 The, the, I don't know, like Mark is smart.

Speaker 8 What happened?

Speaker 6 Like when the game, Steph, what, hit him in the nuts or something?

Speaker 8 He just fell to the ground and then hit a wide open three. Like that was the game.

Speaker 4 It just,

Speaker 8 it's just sad. I mean, obviously, like, like, again, like, I don't think I'll probably ever sit on the wood again.
And if I do, I'll be very happy.

Speaker 8 But, like, if I don't, I'll always appreciate those three games. And, like, there are some unbelievable memories.
But see,

Speaker 4 there it is. You got to see some.
I mean, you touched an NBA Finals game ball and almost shot it. Like, you have to.

Speaker 8 I got another one tonight.

Speaker 9 You guys, yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 4 I saw that. You gave it back really quick, though.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Well, I mean, I didn't want to, the first time it was just, I didn't want to, like, I don't know.
I don't want to be a liability. I don't want to get like

Speaker 4 a bunch of on a no wood.

Speaker 8 I don't want to get it put on a no woodland.

Speaker 6 You're the Zach Hample of the NBA playoffs.

Speaker 4 You should have, you should have just chucked up a shot because then you wouldn't have had to watch the Warriors celebrate.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 8 When Steph was crying.

Speaker 4 Steph. All right.
So

Speaker 4 are you... Is there a fire fest you wanted to do? You had an extra fire fest? Because

Speaker 4 I do want to give the Warriors their credit and talk about this run.

Speaker 8 I mean, Liam, Liam will be able to read. You guys know my love for Gucci Main, probably

Speaker 8 top three favorite rapper of all time, in my personal opinion, like my one of my favorites. He was there, and this is going to sound, this is just wood problems, but there's under

Speaker 6 the story of this podcast for you, huh?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 In between

Speaker 8 halftime, they bring you to this Putnam Club where they have drinks and food and stuff. And you can hang out in between halves with the other wood elites.

Speaker 8 And Dave, they give Dave like a table so he's like the elite of the elite and they're like oh you're gonna be sitting next to Gucci man at halftime and I like freaked out Dave doesn't even know who Gucci Man but his girlfriend's a big fan too and so when we got back there it's like private like it wasn't like a force it wasn't like uh you know like can we take a picture like it wasn't like crazy it was just our table was literally next to him and dave was like before i could even do it dave very casually it was just sitting right next to him.

Speaker 8 Was like, hey man, can we take a picture? Like, I'm gonna send it to my girlfriend and Gucci Man was just like, no.

Speaker 4 He's like, just like, he was just like, he was like, no, I'm eating. No, this is before the game.

Speaker 8 No, this is at halftime.

Speaker 4 Oh, no, Hank.

Speaker 6 That's tough, hang.

Speaker 8 It was, it was me, Dave, and then Gucci Man and his crew, and then Dave Matthews band and his crew. Like, that was the

Speaker 8 table.

Speaker 4 Dude, what is that? Yeah,

Speaker 4 I was like,

Speaker 8 if I could have got a picture with Gucci, that like maybe would have been a nice spin zone or like, you know, something nice takeaway from the night.

Speaker 6 But no, it's, it's the, it's the memories you made along the way. That's that's what the real NBA championship is.

Speaker 4 I do think, obviously, this is right after the loss, and this is what the people want to see: is you doom and gloom right after a loss.

Speaker 4 But I think in like a few days, you'll come around to like, hey, listen, if I feel like the Celtics are Jason Tatum, uh, not avoiding all contact when going to the hoop away from maybe winning an NBA title.

Speaker 4 All three. Like, every

Speaker 8 and I do think Richard Jefferson, when he said, like, I do think there's an element of maybe they were just cooked, like, they were just absolutely gassed.

Speaker 8 Like, the last three games, they just had so many

Speaker 8 inexplicable turnovers. And every time they drove to the hoop, they didn't get fouled or foul calls.
And they just didn't, like, they were just basically driving, looking for foul calls.

Speaker 8 And then when they didn't get the foul call, they just couldn't finish.

Speaker 4 Well, there, there was also

Speaker 8 so many in and outs in the third quarter. Like, it's not even an excuse.
Like, it is what it is. It's a make or miss league.
But again,

Speaker 8 in that climb back, there was like

Speaker 8 two or three in and outs and then two or three miss layups where it was just like, like they just could not get the momentum. Like they were, they were inching for it, but they just couldn't.

Speaker 8 Like you need to probably get two or three straight scores to really have the momentum and they just couldn't do it.

Speaker 6 Tayden is obsessed with that Euro step too when he gets to the basket. He, he, he takes like, he, he looks like he slows down to almost half speed when he gets close.

Speaker 6 Instead of going up like into the guy, he'll take two steps and just like step completely around somebody, make a worse angle for his shot, make it easier to block, and usually make it just like tougher to get up and then not even get the opportunity to go to the foul line.

Speaker 6 I can't, I, I, I don't know exactly what the numbers were, but it seemed like nobody shot foul shots tonight on either team.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, they didn't.

Speaker 4 And it is like, I know we joke about Jason Tatum's age, but he is 24 and he will get better because like you'd, you'd think that the prime of someone's career is probably their late 20s, right?

Speaker 4 Like physically and their strength and everything.

Speaker 4 But if he could just figure figure out a way to not have it he it's so bizarre watching him go to the hoop and you could say he's injured i'm just going to assume that yeah he's a little injured but so is everyone right now um he goes to the basket and he avoids contact and then he gets mad when there's no foul even though he avoided contact.

Speaker 4 And it's like, if he can just figure out, like, I'm, my, I'm a big person who's got a strong frame, like I can just run over these people. That might solve it right there.

Speaker 4 And also, like you said, Hank, like they just, the Celtics threw the ball away like it was nobody's business the last three games. Just as sloppy as you could be.

Speaker 6 I'll tell you, if you could build an entire Celtics team out of the heart of Robert Williams, Al Horford or Al Hofford, as Mark Jackson calls him,

Speaker 6 those two guys, those are the guys that showed up. Those are the dudes that you can win a championship with for sure.

Speaker 6 Like if everybody played with that same level of intensity that they had, I do think that the Celtics, especially defensively, were a better team.

Speaker 4 But like you have to play a perfect game and everybody has to be turned up to 11 if you want to stop steph curry and it was also we had unreal defense we know this give give i'll give them some credit yeah well so i wanted to talk about the words but the last thing like we we we know this every year we learn this every year we forget it during the regular season like bench doesn't really matter in the nba finals in the playoffs deep in the playoffs like it does because you need like one or two guys but guys that were really good at playing bench minutes in February, like you need, you need a five that is going to play like 42 minutes.

Speaker 4 You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Like it's just as bad as like Peyton Pritchard and those guys were, like if you look at, if you look at how the Warriors ended up playing like the series, I mean, Kavan Looney was, I bet on him every time, but they had Gary Payton Jr.

Speaker 4 or the second and Jordan Poole. Like that was their bench.
You know what I mean? Those two guys coming in and playing big minutes and being impactful.

Speaker 4 And like, you know, you need like one or two guys at most. You can't be like, oh, yeah, our bench is a strength.
We have, we go nine deep. Nine deep doesn't exist in the playoffs, you know?

Speaker 8 Jason Tatum, not like, yeah, like, I, I don't know why Jason Tatum wasn't starting in the fourth quarter. Like, that was, that was insane to me.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 10 All right.

Speaker 4 So let's, let's talk about the Warriors. And Hank, you can chime in anytime you want.
Um, so fourth championship with this core.

Speaker 8 Like best Warriors team of all time.

Speaker 4 As Hank said, best Warriors team, most talented Warriors team of all time. Um, I, I don't know, like Steph Curry, I can't remember a guy who has

Speaker 4 the double combo of insanely great, all-time great player, and like also seems like an all-time great dude, where you just end up rooting for him because he just had, like, are there people who truly remember?

Speaker 4 We used to do this as a bit, like in 2017, we'd try to nitpick Steph Curry and be like, yeah, he's chewing on his mouth guard. Like, that was what we could find to like be annoying about him.

Speaker 4 That's how likable he is.

Speaker 6 His mouth guard is big and his shoes suck.

Speaker 4 That's all he got.

Speaker 4 He's got force gump ankle braces.

Speaker 6 And it's like his parents are swingers.

Speaker 4 His parents are swingers, which is kind of cool. That's actually a plus.

Speaker 4 But like him crying at the end, and like the, you know, the fact that he was able to put the team on his back and have that seminal, like stamp it moment where everyone always said, oh, yeah, well, Kevin Durant, you know, was MVP for the 17 and 18 and Iguadala was MVP for 2015.

Speaker 4 like this was steph curry like steph curry and obviously there we can talk about the other players but this was steph curry's finals besides game five he was incredible in every game he had 34 tonight he was six for 11 like every time he had the ball the celtics had to scramble and freak out every time he wasn't on the floor you could feel it he just had that presence about him where it's like this is his stage this is his finals this is his team and to put a bow on it where like he wins a title in 15 and now wins a title in 22, it's, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 Like he's, I don't know where he's number two point guard of all time. And I guess you could probably make the argument now that like people will probably argue that he's better than Magic.

Speaker 4 I don't know. You know, I'm not an NBA historian, but

Speaker 4 he is number two all time.

Speaker 6 I am an NBA historian. And I think that what we're going to see is like he's going to be in people's conversation for the Mount Rushmore of NBA.
He's not on there.

Speaker 4 The problem is who do you want to do?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 6 people are going to talk about him in there. And that's really all that matters to be in the conversation about that.
Here's a crazy stat. This is from Secret Base.

Speaker 6 The number of NBA Finals games where a player made at least six threes, Steph Curry has 12 of them. Second place all time is Clay Thompson with four of those games.

Speaker 6 Then after that, you've got Danny Green with three, Ray Allen with two, and then everybody else tied with one. And again, Steph Curry has...
12 of those games where he makes at least six threes.

Speaker 4 It's insane. And Clay Thompson, like he's another guy where I, I, you know, I, there were definitely people who wrote him off.

Speaker 4 There were people who were like, he can't play in this, like, he, he can't play in this series. He can't, like, he's, he's cooked.

Speaker 4 And you see, like, coming back from the double injury and being able to, yeah, obviously he's not Clay Thompson that was before those two injuries, but he played after what, game one, or maybe it was game one and two, he played a great series.

Speaker 4 He gave them some crazy shot making. He played great defense.
And that, that also, Hank, to, to give you another ray of light, the Celtics were sloppy with the ball.

Speaker 4 The Warriors played incredible defense. Like, they deserve so much credit for the defense they played.
Clay played great defense. Andrew Wiggins, like,

Speaker 4 he beat Jason Tatum one-on-one. Like, their matchup one-on-one.
Andrew Wiggins was better in these finals than Jason Tatum. Steph was all over the place, just a menace with his hands in the lane.

Speaker 4 Gary Payton Jr., Draymond was like, Draymond,

Speaker 4 everyone was, he was cooked. He was absolutely cooked.
And he ended up having an incredible last few games to take them over the top. So, like, their defense was insane.

Speaker 6 Draymond's also, after the game, he was saying that he appreciated all the Boston sports fans. He was like, it's a good fan base.
I respect you guys. You guys got in my head a little bit.

Speaker 6 So he, he gave you guys some credit. Now, if you had beaten the Warriors, I don't think that Draymond would have that same.
He's the definition of a guy that can be like over-the-top classy.

Speaker 6 And do you guys know anybody like that, maybe on this podcast that's like super, super, super classy when they win to the point where it's almost insulting to you? I don't know.

Speaker 6 I don't know if those type of people exist in the podcast world outside of Draymond Green, but he like went over the top thanking Boston. And I will give credit to Draymond.

Speaker 6 I think I asked Kurt Goldsbury, I was like, does Draymond suck now? Is this just kind of what we're looking at? And he played really well, especially in the last two games.

Speaker 6 Like he, he got back into being chaotic, Draymond, but like still playing the game of basketball, as opposed to what we saw early in the series, which was just like,

Speaker 6 we're we're going to put Draymond on the floor. He's not really going to play the sport, but he's just going to go out there and piss everybody off.

Speaker 6 But it turns out that like when he gets locked in and he's focused, he's still a very capable player. I think he would probably like, he fits in perfectly on this Warriors team.

Speaker 6 I'm not going to do the thing where I'm like, if you put Draymond on a different team, if you put him on the Kings, how many titles do the Kings win?

Speaker 6 I'm not going to do that because that's not like Draymond's game, but he is. the perfect piece on this Warriors team.

Speaker 6 And there's something to be said for the people that put together the team, which is, yeah, you've got an all-time great shooter and you've got two all time great shooters.

Speaker 4 Two of the best shooters of all time.

Speaker 6 But still, where the game was like 10 years ago, just because you had two great shooters, that was not a guarantee that you were going to have any success whatsoever.

Speaker 6 So they kind of like reimagined the game of basketball a little bit and they kind of designed a system, found players that worked for them.

Speaker 6 And it's actually been a really great system that not only got them to championships, but also kept them as the best team in the league for probably what, how many years would you say that like the Warriors have been the best team in the league when they're all healthy?

Speaker 4 I mean, every year they've been all healthy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Every single year they've been all healthy. And so I was listening to Wind Horse,

Speaker 4 his podcast, I think it was yesterday or today.

Speaker 4 And he clarified, which, which, you know, this is a lesson that we should never take, you know, one line from something said on Sports Center and be like, oh, like when he said the Warriors are outspending everyone.

Speaker 4 And what his clarification was, and it actually does make sense. And it's like, it's a good point.
The Warriors were the worst team in basketball two years ago.

Speaker 4 They had the worst, they had the worst record. Like they won 15 games or whatever it was when everyone was injured.

Speaker 4 Most franchises at that point would be like, all right, let's bail on like, let's, let's basically just keep Steph and we'll start shedding the parts and we'll live off legacy.

Speaker 4 And like, you know, Steph will be great and he'll have.

Speaker 4 moments of greatness and that will be cool and we'll just sell merchandise for the three rings we had and that's awesome instead they're like, no, we're going to go get Andrew Wiggins.

Speaker 4 They're going to pay Kavan Looney when they could have just not.

Speaker 4 Like all these moves that they did where they're basically saying, no, we're not going to shed all the parts and lose money or like shed all the money.

Speaker 4 We're going to still spend money, even though we suck because we want to take another crack at this. And there are very few owners in all of sports that would do that.

Speaker 4 There are very few owners that would be like, we have the worst team and we're also going to have the highest salary. Like they would, that just doesn't happen.

Speaker 4 So they deserve all the credit like for that. And it's, I mean, it's a crazy, crazy run.
The fact they were able to do it with that gap of injuries and COVID is, it's nuts.

Speaker 4 And it's just a testament to how good it goes all. All of it goes back to Steph.
Like he is the, the guy who stirs everything.

Speaker 4 And I, can I, can I say real quick, I think Steve Kerr might be a good coach.

Speaker 6 So Steve Kerr now has nine rings. I think he probably knows the sport of basketball.
I'm willing to concede that Steve Kerr is an intelligent basketball mind.

Speaker 4 He did have a good good moment of self-deprecation when they were like, How do you do it? He's like, I just surround myself with superstars. It's like, yeah, good point.

Speaker 4 Like Jordan Pippen, Tim Duncan, like Steph, all these guys. Good point.

Speaker 6 And then I make sure to like follow around guys like Mark Jackson and then clean up their mess. And then I look like a genius.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 But it is, I mean, I, so I had, I had one question. And Hank, you're going to hate this question, but in terms of like unbiased, if you have no rooting interest,

Speaker 4 you know, your team's not involved.

Speaker 4 And there will probably be people who will say this is an insane statement to say just because of the Kevin Durant years and what he did and how mad people got.

Speaker 4 Do you think the Warriors dynasty is one of the most likable dynasties?

Speaker 6 In terms of like their Q score?

Speaker 4 Yeah, because I know the Kevin Durant thing pisses everyone off, but I think, and I know people don't like Draymond. But the combo of Steph, Clay, and Kerr are very likable guys, right?

Speaker 6 I'm trying to think of of other dynasties to compare them to. And dynasties almost by their very nature are unlikable.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 6 Exactly. You just get sick of the same people.

Speaker 4 Right. So it's not like.

Speaker 8 Everyone loved Bill and Tom, Patriots.

Speaker 6 Yeah, everyone did.

Speaker 8 First one and the second one.

Speaker 4 It's not like I love the Warriors, but I'm just saying in terms, like you said, PFT, dynasties are meant to be unlikable.

Speaker 6 I actually think that the Bulls dynasty was good.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the Bulls would be the...

Speaker 6 Unless you happen to be a Pistons fan, a Knicks fan, and that's pretty much it. Maybe a Jazz fan if you're one of a couple of jazz fans out there.

Speaker 6 But besides that, like America fell in love with those Bulls teams.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, the Bulls would be the other, the only other team I could think of.

Speaker 6 Like, that became the de facto team that you would root for if you didn't have a favorite basketball team that you grew up watching. Like, everybody was, I was a Bulls fan.

Speaker 6 I was a Michael Jordan fan when I was a kid.

Speaker 4 You're right. Everyone was drawn to Michael Jordan.
So that would be the one, but maybe, maybe the question is better, like in since Michael Jordan in all sports, because I think also we've gone,

Speaker 4 like, weirdly, we've gone anti-dynasty more than ever. Because even I, I know people, like, I, people didn't like the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 Obviously, they hated the Cowboys during it, but it wasn't the hate that some of the dynasties now have.

Speaker 6 Do you know what I mean? It's funny because, like, what we do is we see teams that are like trying to build, and we do the thing where we talk about their championship window. Right.

Speaker 6 And we're like, how great can they be for a long time? And we criticize them when they do things to minimize their championship window.

Speaker 6 And then when they maximize their window and they actually become a dynasty, we're like, these pieces of shit. I fucking hate these guys.

Speaker 4 Right. It is very, very stupid that we do that.
But I just, I was just thinking about it because maybe the question is better 2000, post-2000, because you're right.

Speaker 4 I mean, like, Jordan is, you know, Jordan and like he's, you know, the

Speaker 4 global phenomenon.

Speaker 4 And like, thinking back to like, even I'm trying to think of like what, like, the Cowboys, like I said, like, people didn't like it because they blew everyone out in the Super Bowl, but it wasn't the hate that the Cowboys have now.

Speaker 4 Like they got it afterwards. During it, it wasn't the same.

Speaker 6 I actually think that, you know, we were talking about how like Steph Curry's height is a detriment to him sometimes when it comes to winning MVP and individual awards.

Speaker 6 I actually think it makes this dynasty more likable. Yeah.
The fact that he's a small guy that's been able to do this. And Clay, too, yeah.

Speaker 6 They're two like superstars on the team are little guys compared to a lot of the other. guys that we see like dominating the NBA.
So it's kind of refreshing. It's short King Spring again.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 4 Like the Lakers of the early 2000s like every i think everyone's like well shaq's just not fair it's not fair what shaq is doing he's just better than everyone and those finals were always really like there was no drama they would just kill everyone he actually said i've heard an interview recently that shaq said that the finals against the nets was boring to him yeah i was like yeah you're it was boring to us too dude well watching watching shaq play uh all of us idiots on the couch are like man if i was shaq size i would be better than shaq yeah that's what we all thought but with with Steph Curry, there's really no excuse.

Speaker 6 He's like a pretty normal size guy. And we're like, that's just incredibly impressive what he's doing out there.

Speaker 4 And now I'm thinking about it. Maybe it was a bad question because, like, I don't really hate the Spurs.
And maybe it's just like, if you have enough time after a dynasty, the hatred goes away.

Speaker 4 It's in the middle. So maybe that's really what it is.

Speaker 4 Are the Warriors one of the most likable in the middle of it? Like dynasties were like, okay.

Speaker 6 And they also happen to play against the Cavs all the time. So really, they only pissed off one fan base.

Speaker 4 So we should end with that. Hank, that is the all-time spin zone.
Steph Curry now has four rings. Steph Curry has as many rings as LeBron James.

Speaker 4 Steph Curry has as many rings as the quote-unquote goat of his era. And you could even say he has more because some of us don't count the bubble ring.
So, that's got to be good, right?

Speaker 8 I guess.

Speaker 4 But then, does it elevate 2016?

Speaker 4 Because

Speaker 4 he's the only team to beat a fully healthy Warriors.

Speaker 6 You were all fired up like two days ago to talk about how this NBA Finals impacts LeBron's legacy. And now you got nothing.

Speaker 4 He's got tell me.

Speaker 4 He's tapped.

Speaker 8 I'll tell you.

Speaker 8 I need like,

Speaker 8 give me the offseason. Like, what, like, we can't you like, I'm Anthony Davis right now.

Speaker 4 I got you.

Speaker 10 It's too soon. I'm not shooting.

Speaker 8 I do strictly weights for a couple months.

Speaker 4 How crazy was that that he said he hadn't touched a ball, a basketball in two months?

Speaker 8 It was hilarious.

Speaker 8 I mean, dude, I was, it's like it was on a, it was on a uh nuke squad vlog like that was the funniest part can i have permission it was like so it's like he's like friends with those kids because like from from from call of duty and like they're like you know they do vlogs and stuff and so he was just like hanging out with the boys and then it's classic like nba media like picks up picks it up and then two days later he's in the gym he's got lebron posting like pr videos did you see that no LeBron posted like a highlight reel of Anthony Davis like two days after all that shit happened being like he's nasty oh yeah

Speaker 6 can I I get permission to squat on a take real quick? Because I think

Speaker 6 if I know my man Skip, my main man, I think I know what he's going to say about Steph Curry because he's always guarding against anyone approaching Michael Jordan's legacy.

Speaker 6 Once he gets a whiff of somebody like entering that conversation, Skip will start to line up all of his ducks so he can knock them all over and keep that guy.

Speaker 6 I think there will be people out there that are like, yeah, they won this game, but they would have lost if it went to game seven because Steph Curry can't close out of game seven.

Speaker 4 I like that. And

Speaker 4 special, like, I know that people are going to be like, yo, you slobbed on the, on the words. They want a title.
We do this for every championship that's won.

Speaker 4 There is something like being able to close it out on the road and not needing that extra game that is, that does feel like, holy shit, like that's, you know, they like that, that, that's like a professional way to win.

Speaker 4 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 It's a weird thing that, that I, I count it more, even though it shouldn't count more, but it's like, it's so easy to go into game six and be like, well, we have game seven at home. We're okay.

Speaker 4 And they went in there like, no, let's end this tonight.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I talked to Bubba a little bit earlier because we used to do a segment on the show called Parental Advisory, where we just get takes from dads and moms where they text you during games and they give you your sports takes.

Speaker 6 And Bubba's dad is a, he's a big Boston guy. I think, Liam, you're saying that like he used the word fucking like we use um or like.

Speaker 6 Yes, yeah, constantly. So what's your dad's take?

Speaker 6 I did text him when you hit me up. I said, what's your thoughts on the game? And he said, we need more intensity.
Al's the only one stepping up. Other stars aren't ready for the moment.

Speaker 4 Exactly. Yep.
Exactly.

Speaker 6 The moment's too big for Jason Tatum.

Speaker 4 He nailed it. He nailed it.
Hank,

Speaker 6 I want to give you the opportunity if you wanted to, for the listeners, for the AWLs, because they'd appreciate it, to do Soggy Sorrows.

Speaker 4 When you're in your hotel room,

Speaker 6 just go get wet.

Speaker 6 I know you like to get wet, Hank.

Speaker 4 Just go get wet.

Speaker 6 Just a little wet.

Speaker 4 Just get a little wet.

Speaker 6 For the listeners. Oh, he's pouring.

Speaker 4 Oh, that was. That was.

Speaker 8 That's all I had.

Speaker 4 I don't think you realized what that was.

Speaker 4 That was Chris Bosch.

Speaker 8 What you fucking wanted, right?

Speaker 4 You got it.

Speaker 6 Nobody photos. Get in your shower.
Nobody Photoshop anything.

Speaker 4 Go get in your shower, fully dressed,

Speaker 4 come back and sit down.

Speaker 8 Fucking amen. This isn't a yak, big cat.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 6 we've been doing soggy stars for six years on this show.

Speaker 10 You guys never fucking do soggy sorrows.

Speaker 4 I did one.

Speaker 9 I've been big as pussies when it comes to best.

Speaker 6 I've done soggy sorrows too.

Speaker 4 I did one.

Speaker 4 All right. Hank, I ate shit.

Speaker 6 I just did it.

Speaker 8 I just bukaki myself with water.

Speaker 6 Just a little bit more. Just like okay.

Speaker 4 Please. Let's let's get to the rest of the show.
I mean, let's or anything else, Hank? Uh,

Speaker 8 no, I just, I hate myself for everything I said at the end.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. Make sure you listen to Firefest because Hank,

Speaker 4 yeah.

Speaker 6 Oh, we, we almost forgot.

Speaker 9 The big night live event is canceled.

Speaker 4 Yeah, will you still be doing the stream on Sunday? No, canceled. Okay.

Speaker 6 We should have Hank stream.

Speaker 4 Stream Sunday night baseball.

Speaker 6 We almost forgot. Most important part of our NBA recap, Billy, who gets your game ball for tonight?

Speaker 8 Oh, he's been gone for hours. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, horrible. Oh,

Speaker 4 okay. Okay.
Yeah, tune in for the Firefest because, yeah,

Speaker 4 Billy's a shithead. So that will be fun to listen to.

Speaker 4 Okay, let's get to the rest of the show.

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Speaker 4 unbelievable game overtime I mean

Speaker 4 this series is going to be incredible overtime in the first game uh

Speaker 4 like lightning come out slow Avalanche actually, you know, rest versus Rust. We got, it was decided for at least a period there that rest beats or sorry, Rust beats rest.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 6 Yes. Yes.
Rest.

Speaker 10 Rest beats Rust. Yes.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 I have to say, though, and I'm sorry to all of the Avs fans that listen to this show. I think I'm just going to, that was like the perfect setup for entering into a lightning future.

Speaker 6 That was, that was the altitude, though, in that first period. I think.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 That was the thin air effect. I don't know.
I like it.

Speaker 6 I put my money on the avalanche. I trust in Biz Nasty.
He's one of our greatest hockey minds here in America. So far be it for me to disagree with what he has to say and his prognostications.
But

Speaker 6 it seemed like it was like a must-win in game one, as much as a must-win can be in game one. Like if the Avalanche went down 1-0.

Speaker 6 in the Stanley Cup finals, that would have been bad news for him. So they had to win that one.
Berkowski with the awesome, awesome, awesome finish at the very end. Neutral zone turnovers.

Speaker 6 I don't know shit about hockey. I just like to say, like, new neutral zone turnovers, that'll get you.
You can't win that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you can't, you can't. Neutral zone turnovers sticks on the ice at all times, as Eddie O has taught us.

Speaker 4 I also like, I loved having Whitney on when we asked about Kale McCarr because I like tried to actually focus on what he was talking about and it jumped out.

Speaker 4 The fact that he was so fast and his hips opening up and their team speed is just out of this world but i think we're in for a long series like i think we're in for a very long series the lightning i even the lightning forcing that to overtime like it felt didn't it feel like when you were watching that first period it was like all right abs win game one game over lightning they've done this before come out slow you know they just finished a seven or a six game series against the rangers and they came back and and fought hard and i just I don't know, I now like the Lightning at even juicier of a price.

Speaker 4 I didn't bet them before the series because I was waiting for the Warriors' money to come in. Now I think I'm going to take the Lightning at like plus 220.
I think they're at. I don't know.

Speaker 6 I just, maybe it's the narrative that Whitney kind of opened us up to a little bit, but the idea that the Lightning might be the worst back-to-back champions of all time, if you look at the bubble win, put an asterisk on that.

Speaker 6 And then you look at them playing like maybe one of the worst Stanley Cup champion or the stanley cup finals teams in recent memory in like the last 30 years in the canadiens

Speaker 6 uh and now they finally run into a wagon in the stanley cup finals i'm kind of that's that's what i'm talking myself into a little bit um i i still think that the lightning are obviously really really dangerous and they kind of got they got slapped awake they got punched in the face and that seemed to like wake them up they played harder after they went down 2-0.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So it's going to be an awesome series.
I'm very excited for Saturday night. It's also like, I know this sounds stupid.

Speaker 4 it sounds like one of the things we mock where um and i i know the the stanley cup final have been on nbc but for some reason like it being on abc it's like whoa

Speaker 4 hockey is back well i don't know why i don't know it's like you get the gold outline yeah on it and there's like a little bit of prestige that goes along with it you're like oh it's on disney now yeah i don't know what it is but i like it does sound like the people who are like oh nba finals ratings down so i didn't like that series like I don't, it shouldn't matter that it's on ABC versus when it was on NBC, but for some reason, it just felt, it felt like it was like hockey has finally come back from, you know, even 20 years ago when it went to the, after the lockout, when it went to the own oxygen network and all that bullshit.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that was the best. You know what I think it is? When you see the NBC cock, when you see the peacock on the screen, you think to yourself, NBC Sports Network.

Speaker 4 I think Notre Dame football.

Speaker 6 But when it's hockey, because you've seen so much of it on either like the Olympic channel or whatever, or NBC Sports Network, when you see it on ABC, you're like, okay, now hockey might be a top five sport.

Speaker 4 By the way, what I just said, like, there's some, some, some executive in Stanford is listening to this and just like came everywhere. The fact that I was like, I see NBC, I think Notre Dame football.

Speaker 4 Cause like, you know, they all, like, they're all Ivy League execs. And they're like, when we see NBC, we want you to think like rowing, Olympics, Notre Dame football.

Speaker 6 Well, no, they're Notre Dame graduates, but they consider Notre Dame and Ivany school.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 All right, U.S. Open.
Real quick, obviously round one

Speaker 4 doesn't, you know, not a lot to talk about round one, except for the fact that Max,

Speaker 4 I think he's now in three consecutive majors led within the first 15 minutes.

Speaker 4 Good round by him. Rory looked good.
There's a Canadian who's leading the whole thing right now. What do I tell you about Rory? What do I tell you about him?

Speaker 6 He's playing some of the best golf of his career he he beat up the bunker yeah see that the course showed its teeth a little bit it wasn't like a huge showing but that's what the course does they're chumming the water they're getting the sharks a little too frisky they're gonna spear the out of them later but there are some moments where you see like what this course is capable of some of the rough that they put around the bunkers is just obscene yeah it's crazy it's just like an overgrown backyard and they dug a hole put a bunker in it you'd rather be in the bunker in a lot of these places than you would be in the rough yeah and it is i mean it does look like a difficult course And I'm excited to watch some, like, the fact that there's just major golf on Father's Day is such a treat.

Speaker 4 I'm just going to like, cause that really is just such a cheat code. It's like, what do you want from Father's Day? I want to be able to sit on the couch and just do nothing and watch golf.

Speaker 4 And like, I'm putting that, I'm cashing that card in.

Speaker 6 I found a great new bet that I'm doing on the 11th hole. Every single round, I'm betting on my favorite golfers to make holes in one.
Love it.

Speaker 6 So like everybody that I, that I bet on to win the tournament, I'm betting on them every morning. It's like plus 18,000 to get holes in one.

Speaker 6 And the 11th hole is so awesome because it's like, I think it plays about 100 yards. It's longer than that, but with the wind and it's downhill too, it plays about 100 yards.

Speaker 6 So people are like, they're dotting it. They're landing the ball like within 10 feet of the cup on most good shots.
And so for you have like something to look forward to once every 30, 40 minutes.

Speaker 6 And it's exhilarating, but then you obviously lose all your bets. But still,

Speaker 6 I don't bet to win money. I bet for the rush that I get when the ball is in the air.
And And I think that I could win money.

Speaker 4 Also, it's a great bet because it's the classic, all you need is one.

Speaker 10 Yeah, just one. All you need is one.

Speaker 6 Max put it within four feet today. I was pissed off at him.
I was like, what the fuck, Max?

Speaker 4 Yeah, all you need is one. We have a great interview coming up, by the way, with Bob Herrig live from the U.S.
Open talking about live golf, talking about

Speaker 4 Tiger vs. Phil, his new book, talking about who's going to win.
Awesome interview. Very, very good.

Speaker 6 So, so I hit up Max just to say congratulations after the round. Like, congrats on not sucking today, Max, positive vibes only.

Speaker 6 And he said that there was an AWL there and he walked past them and the guy just yelled out, pervert.

Speaker 6 And Max just started to laugh. And everybody stared at the guy and was like, what the fuck, man? But the guy was super happy with himself.
So if you're that AWL, thank you, Max. Appreciate it.

Speaker 6 But don't call Max a pervert.

Speaker 4 Oh, also, did that, um, did that bet hit that the

Speaker 4 guy yelled at Phil? Yes, it did. What a moment.
Did you? I don't know if you saw that where they did two things on the broadcast

Speaker 4 where they put goal posts on a drive, which just made everyone be like, football, that's awesome.

Speaker 6 Perfect.

Speaker 4 And then someone screamed at Phil, Phil, Al Horford, over nine and a half rebounds. You know, Phil bet it.
Al Horford ended up with over nine and a half rebounds.

Speaker 4 So great, great job by that fan to just scream that out because it's like, oh, okay, well, you got to bet that now.

Speaker 6 They do need to start incorporating football into other sports on TV with like the layover graphics.

Speaker 6 You know how they put the fake NBA Finals logo on the court at uh at at uh the i guess it was on on both courts it wasn't just in boston it was also in in san francisco they need to put like yard markers on the court like show me

Speaker 4 play a football game like actually like show a football game on the court if it's like a blowout show me yeah yeah at the very least just put like the gridiron marks on there in five yard segments um all right last thing before we get to our interviews reminder uh frank schwindel and patrick wisdom did come in a week ago so when we asked frank schwindell about pitching in games and he was like yeah it's fun but i really don't want to do that anymore in the six days since we interviewed him he's had to do it twice because it comes with that bad i think he also gave up like three home runs his his ara sucks dude the the the the swing that the yankees play i can't remember who it was had off of him over the weekend was like i know this sounds ridiculous to say and and hear me out it was the most disrespectful swing i've ever seen and i don't don't think i'm not one of those guys like you shouldn't swing for the fences when a pitcher when a position player is pitching but it was such a looping ephus and the guy swang swung swung swang swung it's like one in the morning it was like a straight up wiffle ball at your eyes uppercut and it was like this is just an absurd swing to have in a major league baseball game and obviously hit it a million feet and i was like all right great so i'd really like to dive into the spin rate on on his pitches because his Ephesus goes like 34 miles per hour.

Speaker 6 I bet I wonder if you're allowed to, you know how like people are allowing to start JJ Watt as a tight end in fantasy football? I wonder if you can start Schwindell as a pitcher in fancy baseball.

Speaker 6 I might pick a little bit.

Speaker 4 38 is the magic number.

Speaker 4 Well, he was, well, he was a little bit below that.

Speaker 6 He didn't have his best stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Also, credit to him because he did say it kind of sucks because it means you're down a lot and the Cubs have been down a lot like every fucking day.

Speaker 4 I also asked a question about a 12-game losing streak and I think that they're two away now. So that will also not, you know, like one of those interviews.
We did it on Thursday.

Speaker 4 We're running it on Friday. Um, you know, things have gotten a lot worse since that interview.

Speaker 4 But the last thing we have to talk about before we get to Bob Herrigan, Frank Schrindell, and Patrick Wisdom, the Mike Trout Fantasy League, the famous fantasy league, Jock Peterson, and Tommy Pham.

Speaker 4 Uh, everyone knows that story by now. It was one of the funniest stories, I think, probably in the last year.
In an insane twist, that I just still can't really comprehend is real.

Speaker 4 Our colleague Stephen Che, who's been on this show, he's our junior draft analyst at Barstool Sports. Dave has entered into the league as Tommy Pham's replacement.

Speaker 4 And Mike Trout was like, I don't want to be the commissioner anymore. Can you find someone for me, Dave?

Speaker 4 And Dave has found Stephen Che, and Stephen Che is now the commissioner of the Mike Trout Fantasy Football League that ended up in Tommy Pham slapping Jock Peterson. What a fucking world.

Speaker 6 I really think it's perfect because I guarantee you that Stephen Che

Speaker 6 mainly knew Mike Trout as the guy that shows up to Eagles games. He probably, he probably didn't wouldn't, he'd be one of those guys that like wouldn't recognize Mike Trout in a mall.

Speaker 4 PFT, he knows so little about baseball. Shane Bieber is in this league who won a Cy Young.
And he texted me on the side because Shane Bieber was like,

Speaker 4 Dave, Dave basically was like, everyone say who you are so Stephen can save your numbers. And Shane Bieber was like, Bieber.

Speaker 4 And Stephen Che texted me. He's like, is this really Justin Bieber? Okay, our fancy football league.

Speaker 6 I'm on Stephen Che's side on that one. If you identify yourself in like a celebrity league as Bieber, but the ball is

Speaker 6 still, still, the ball is on Shane Bieber to be like, I'm the Biebs. That's me.

Speaker 4 No, he didn't say, he didn't say,

Speaker 6 you got to say like S. Bieber.
You can't say Bieber.

Speaker 4 Also, Stephen Che used the Vince McMahon gif.

Speaker 4 Maybe like 30 minutes after the story came out about Vince McMahon to announce that he was going to be the commissioner. And everyone was like, dude, what are you doing with this timing?

Speaker 4 And someone replied, like, hey, do you have an extra $3 million to spare? Referencing the

Speaker 4 payment that Vince McMahon had to his secretary for an NDA. And Stephen Shea then asked me if the buy-in for this fantasy football league was $3 million.

Speaker 4 So this is the commission of Mike Trout's fantasy football league.

Speaker 6 Shea is also the man that was asking, like, is there an Adam Schefter for politics? Yeah. And everybody was like, yeah, it's called the news, Steven.
You can turn on the news.

Speaker 4 And he does have a Twitter account dedicated just to giving him news that's not football. So that guy failed him in this case.

Speaker 6 I'll say this. I'll say this, though, about say something nice about Stephen Che.
I think he will be painstakingly detail-oriented in being the commissioner of this league.

Speaker 6 He's going to do a great job running the league, but everybody's going to hate him.

Speaker 6 And that's kind of the role, right? He's the punching bag.

Speaker 4 Elon Musk, in his wildest dreams, could not create a robot like like Stephen Che. That's how good of our robot is at Barstool Sports.
He is the greatest dork robot of all time.

Speaker 4 There's never been anyone like him.

Speaker 6 We should give him a new name that's just a bunch of algebraic symbols.

Speaker 4 He really is.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 I mean, we'll have him on when that league starts because that will be just hilarious to hear what his take is. He's, again,

Speaker 4 he is on a text chain with the greatest baseball player alive right now. And he like doesn't even, like, it does not impress him whatsoever.

Speaker 4 If he was on a text chain with Allie Marpet, he would be cumbing himself. And instead, he's on a text chain with Mike Trout.
And he's like, who's that guy?

Speaker 6 Yeah. I know it's perfect.

Speaker 6 That's what they need in this league, though.

Speaker 4 They need a completely

Speaker 6 oblivious doofus. And you couldn't draw it up better than Steven Che.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Okay.
Let's get to our interviews. We got Bob Herrigg, and then followed by Frank Schwindell and Patrick Wisdom together in studio.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now have a very special guest on. Talk a little golf U.S.
Open Live Tour in his new book.

Speaker 1 It is Sports Illustrated writer Bob Herrig, and he has a book out that will be perfect for Father's Day.

Speaker 1 Uh, we're gonna run this on Friday, so I think you could probably still get it by Father's Day, but you can also give you know your dad a receipt and say, Hey, I got you this book.

Speaker 1 It's called Tiger and Phil, Golf's Most Fascinating Rivalry. So, um, we're gonna get into that, but let's start, Bob.
Thank you for coming on. And you're at the U.S.
Open right now.

Speaker 1 Um, we've been talking about it for the last week and a half. Are people sick of talking about the live tour at the U.S.
Open at this point on Wednesday of U.S. Open week?

Speaker 12 Well, I think certainly some people are, you know,

Speaker 12 and I understand why. I mean, this has dominated the golf conversation for weeks.

Speaker 12 It's been a distraction, frankly.

Speaker 12 It's been very disruptive, but yet I think we kind of saw that coming. And, you know, you've got 11 guys who played last week in London who are competing in the U.S.
Open.

Speaker 12 who made it here through other means, obviously. And

Speaker 12 obviously, the affiliation with that new series of tournaments is highly controversial on obviously a number of levels. You know, the funding, are they turning their backs on the PGA tour?

Speaker 12 Are we, is golf going through an upheaval? And here we are at one of the three biggest, or excuse me, one of the four biggest events, the majors. And this is sort of dominating the conversation.

Speaker 12 We're not really talking that much about the golf, you know, obviously, until it gets started. So,

Speaker 12 yeah, it's it's it's it's been quite quite an experience, quite a time in golf, frankly.

Speaker 1 So obviously, a lot of the controversy has been stirred up because of the affiliation with Saudi Arabia and the ruling family there. But

Speaker 1 it also seems like the PGA is just,

Speaker 1 they're very much sour grapes. It could be anybody that could be luring these guys away, and the PGA would have a negative reaction towards it.

Speaker 1 So, for example, if like Mark Cuban made his own tour, or like a billionaire, like Elon Musk started their own golf tour in the United States, were able to pay these guys more.

Speaker 1 I would still expect that the PGA would have a significant backlash to that, and they would accuse these guys of turning their backs. So, I guess my question is:

Speaker 1 if you take a very big part out of it, which is where the money's coming from, let's say that's not an objection right now.

Speaker 1 Is there any expectation that these guys should have loyalty to the PGA tour?

Speaker 12 Yeah, listen, you raise a great point. I mean, the funding source is a convenient excuse in some circles to knock this.

Speaker 12 But But even if that weren't the funding source, this would be very, very controversial because the PGA Tour is the established tour, you know, obviously in North America for, well, 100 years.

Speaker 12 I mean, it changed names over the years. It became what it is today in the late 60s.
And this is the concept and the format they've used.

Speaker 12 They've had basically the same rules as far as playing outside.

Speaker 12 They've tried to protect their product.

Speaker 12 And so for guys who have come up on the PGA tour and wanted to win the Arnold Palmer tournament or the Bob Hope tournament or, you know, Memorial or name any of them, the ones that have been around, you know, Colonial or

Speaker 12 Riviera at L.A., there's history here.

Speaker 12 And so are they turning their backs on that?

Speaker 12 The same angst would be there, even if the funding were from Mark Cuban, because it would be a rival.

Speaker 12 There would be separation. Clearly, the ability to do both is very, very limited.
It's hard to do that.

Speaker 12 Greg Norman, the commissioner of the live series, has said he believes this should be additive, that you can play both. But if you look at it, it's not that easy.
I mean, these guys only play so many.

Speaker 12 The tour does have rules about competing outside of its own events. It would be very hard for their players to adhere to those rules under the current situation.

Speaker 12 So absolutely, yes, it would be still a huge issue.

Speaker 1 See, to me, I think that part of the equation is kind of bullshit.

Speaker 1 I don't think that there should be that level of expectation of loyalty on the player's end because there's not, it's not reciprocated.

Speaker 1 Like the PGA Tour doesn't owe these guys anything either on that end.

Speaker 1 I feel like that's the part that I think is rubbing some people the wrong way where you could make the legitimate gripes about, okay, this is sports watching.

Speaker 1 This is just a giant commercial to try to minimize some of the things that the Saudi regime has been accused of doing. That's legitimate, but I think that they're taking it.

Speaker 1 You can see the sour grapes coming from the PGA, and I think that's rubbing people the wrong way.

Speaker 12 I completely understand that.

Speaker 12 i get that too i mean listen what phil said mickelson back in you know several months ago obviously the message got lost in in in and just sort of how over the top he was but the pga tour isn't perfect you know and and the players have for a while had some gripes and and several years this this whole idea of the rival league uh didn't just occur overnight.

Speaker 12 It seems like they threw it together overnight, given all the roadblocks they had. But there have been talks about this going back five, six, eight years.

Speaker 12 There has been a group out there called the Premier Golf League who is still in play.

Speaker 12 They want to partner with the PJ Tour. They want their events to become part of the PJ Tour.

Speaker 12 But basically what happened was, is the players and the agents were sold on the idea that the top PJ Tour players are not being paid for their worth.

Speaker 12 And look, I know he's an outlier, but Tiger Woods is a great example of this. Look at all that Tiger has brought to the PJ PGA tour and to golf.

Speaker 12 Sells tickets, TV rights, hospitality, some tournaments that might not sell out, he sells them out.

Speaker 12 But when he starts on Thursday morning, he's guaranteed zero, just like the 100th ranked player in the world who isn't selling a ticket.

Speaker 12 And so the players have sort of gotten in this mind frame, mindset, like we are subsidizing the rank and file guys. Why are we not being rewarded?

Speaker 1 for our worth.

Speaker 12 And it wouldn't have taken the sauddy millions to make this happen.

Speaker 12 It would have taken some sort of a plan that might have funneled some guaranteed money to the top players, not based on performance, but just based on common sense.

Speaker 12 And it never happened. So look, you know, I'm not saying that they're right either, that, you know, obviously they're compensated very well if they play well, but that's the point.

Speaker 12 They're only compensated well if they play well. You have to be in a top 30 in the FedEx.
You've got to, you know, you've got to do this, you got to do that.

Speaker 12 And so this is how this all, how we got to this point, you know, and they never bridged that gap. And now the Saudi group starts throwing tons of money at them.

Speaker 12 And, you know, in some places you say, God, it's kind of hard to blame them. What if it were you or I? And we were offered life-changing money.

Speaker 12 Now, maybe it's not life-changing to them, but it might be to us.

Speaker 12 And that's why I'm, you know, I find myself very conflicted over this whole thing. It's not as cut and dried as some people want to make it.

Speaker 1 I think that's fair. That's, yeah, that was a very reasonable take, Bob.
I like that because there has been a lot of people that have made it cut and dry.

Speaker 1 And there are pieces to this that are cut and dry when you want to talk about Saudi Arabia and some of the things in their past, but there are a lot of pieces that are very gray and it's hard to decipher.

Speaker 1 So in terms of kind of bringing it towards your book, and I want to get to U.S. Open questions in a little bit, but to your book, Tiger vs.
Phil,

Speaker 1 what do you think? Do you think Tiger and Phil have had a conversation about this at all? Do you think Tiger has, because I know he was offered a lot of money.

Speaker 1 It feels like Tiger is very, you know, at this point of his career, why would he not be totally committed to the PGA tour? But do you think Tiger and Phil have talked about this at all?

Speaker 1 And how do you think their relationship is right now, given everything that's happened in the last few months?

Speaker 12 Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, you know,

Speaker 12 their relationship is probably splintered a little bit more now again over this.

Speaker 12 I asked Phil that question last week. I actually got him on the phone before he went to London.
It was the first chance anybody

Speaker 12 had to talk to him. And I asked him, have you spoken to Tiger about any of this or any of your peers?

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 12 he didn't answer it directly, which suggested to me he has not. We asked Tiger about it at the PGA last month.
He said he had not spoken to Phil, but he came out very clearly.

Speaker 12 Now, listen, he didn't rip Phil because I think deep down, Tiger shares some of the same concerns that Phil has. You know, Tiger over the years has wondered about his media rights.

Speaker 12 And look, in all sports, no player gets to have their media rights. But if

Speaker 12 anybody was going to benefit from something like that, it would have been Tiger. You know, I'm sure he feels some of the same things.

Speaker 12 Tiger was asked about Saudi Arabia in 2019 when a bunch of guys are signing up to go play over there. And Tiger's answer, I'm paraphrasing, was, look,

Speaker 12 I understand the political ramifications of this, but, you know, years ago, I started going to Dubai and golf isn't big in the Middle East.

Speaker 12 When I first went there, there was three skyscrapers in Dubai and now it looks like New York City and golf has grown. So maybe if they do this, maybe golf will grow in Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 12 So he wasn't exactly dumping on the idea that the murderous regime shouldn't have any ability to form a golf tour. But in this case now, he brought up legacy.

Speaker 12 And it's a great point, but especially if you're Tiger, these guys compare themselves to the past. I mean, are we going to keep track of live events and how many wins you have and how much money?

Speaker 12 And, you know, I bring up the example all the time. You know, back in the day, the USFL, you know, there was a lot of great players that they picked off and didn't go to the NFL.

Speaker 12 Herschel Walker, Jim Kelly, Steve Young. I don't think, I'm pretty sure that Herschel Records, Rushing Records, didn't transfer over to the NFL when he came over.

Speaker 12 Like, it's almost like it was dismissed. It's like an exhibition.
How will these live events go?

Speaker 12 They might be compelling at some point but where will they rate so that's tiger's stance and so yes to answer your question long-winded i'm sorry tiger and phil are not on the same page on this one and you know it might have driven another little bit of a wedge through them which is kind of interesting to me given that i spent all this time piecing together the kind of the intersection of their careers and how they you know they were really against each other and then they kind of had a little bit of a coming together and now they might be apart again yeah i mean you get you get you get to write another chapter, which is nice.

Speaker 12 I need to. They need to, if there's a paperback, I could add probably, you know, God, three or four more chapters.
I mean, look, even Tigers' comeback this year was unexpected.

Speaker 12 You know, that was we when there was what kind of odds could you have gotten on January 1st that Tiger Woods would play the Masters and the PGA and Phil Mickelson would not?

Speaker 1 Yeah, crazy.

Speaker 12 Yes. So, you know, it's just, it's been wild and obviously they're still incredibly relevant.

Speaker 1 And back in the day, I remember people used to talk, you know, in the mid-2000s about the Tiger tour, the possibility of a tour that would be just based around Tiger Woods, because he was at one point bigger than the game of golf.

Speaker 1 He was the biggest draw. So he could have splintered off himself easily.
So I feel like to some extent he does have a loyalty to the PGA tour. Sure.

Speaker 1 Because frankly, he had the opportunity and turned it down.

Speaker 12 If, you know,

Speaker 12 in honesty, this is why the tour has its rules about having to get releases to play in opposite events. If you recall when Tiger and Phil had their match in Vegas in 2018,

Speaker 12 the PJ Tour had to sign off on that because they own the media rights. If a player is going to be televised playing golf, they have to get permission to do it.
And the tour even got a cut of that.

Speaker 12 That's how their system is set up. I think they had to be paid a million dollars.
So, like, and the reason they do that is, is what would keep Tiger and Phil from doing that 10 times a year?

Speaker 12 You know, we would probably all tune into that 10 times a year, but certainly back in the day. Yeah.
And yet that would harm the PJ Tours product, which is why they have rules.

Speaker 1 So your book,

Speaker 1 which it sounds fascinating because there's two guys that are probably the most interesting guys in golf in the last 30 years, Tiger versus Phil.

Speaker 1 What is the story that best sums up each guy and who they are? And, you know, the story that maybe, you know, that they interacted together.

Speaker 1 It's like, that's Tiger, that's Phil, you know, without giving the whole book away.

Speaker 12 Sure. Well, I'll give you three quick quick examples.

Speaker 12 After an introduction, the first chapter of the book is about the 2004 Ryder Cup.

Speaker 12 And any golf geek is going to remember that that was the Ryder Cup where they were paired together as partners for the only time in their Ryder Cup history.

Speaker 12 They played the first day together, two matches, lost them both. The U.S.
got smoked.

Speaker 12 Tons of criticism. And the gist of it was, is They just were not at a point at that time where they were going to be very collaborative as partners, even though they were playing for the same U.S.

Speaker 12 side. And there's story after story about how the body language suggested that they didn't want to be together.
And even though they said the right things before, it didn't work out.

Speaker 12 And Hal Sutton lost a lot of, you know, he lost a lot of sleep over that. He got criticized.
He was the captain. It actually impacted his career.

Speaker 12 It's pretty amazing to think that something like that could have such a huge impact. And then I'll give you two quick stories about each guy.

Speaker 12 Phil, way back in the day, 1998, played a rare practice round with Tiger before the LA Open. In fact, they didn't play a practice round together for 20 years after this.
Phil,

Speaker 12 as is sort of fitting, given the current climate, had a match with Tiger. They had a bet, and Phil won.
He won $500.

Speaker 12 So Tiger pays him off in five $100 bills. Now, Phil, not being content with the bragging rights, and the money, decided to take a picture of those $500 bills.

Speaker 12 And he wrote a note note on it, Dear Tiger, these Benjis are very happy in their new home.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Phil.

Speaker 12 And he put it in his locker. Now, I don't think that went over real well with Tiger.
Phil, over the years, has loved telling that story.

Speaker 12 And he always tells it with sort of an affection, though, for Tiger, in which he says, look, he's got the bragging rights on me, but I got that on him.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 12 All right. So, you know, is that really egregious? No, but it does kind of say something.
I mean, Tiger, there's no way Tiger liked that.

Speaker 12 And Tiger was never big about playing betting games on practice rounds. He always kind of did his own thing.
Phil was huge with that. In fact, I have a whole chapter on that.

Speaker 12 Some of those gambling stories are really fun.

Speaker 12 And then the Tiger side of it. In 2002, at that point,

Speaker 12 Tiger had won two majors that year to run his total to eight.

Speaker 12 At the PJ Championship, he's in contention again.

Speaker 12 He's playing in the group in front of Rich Beam and Fred Funk. Tiger's playing with Justin leonard

Speaker 12 beam has a fairly big lead going into the back nine in fact he led by six at one point but coming down the stretch tiger birdie the last four holes and and to to make it interesting and beam had to sweat it out beam has not won since you know that was a huge moment in his career and he needed to make the bogey on the last hole to win and he kind of shook in a short putt to get the bogey and win by only one and tiger and fred funk were in the scoring area afterward watching this on tv They had signed their scorecards and were waiting for them to finish.

Speaker 12 And when he hold the putt, Tiger stood up and said, he gave a fist pump and he goes, yes.

Speaker 12 And Fred Funk looked at him like, you know, like he had three heads. And he said, Tiger, what are you doing? And he just, he made, he won.
He beat. There's no playoff.
He won. He just made that putt.

Speaker 12 That's a five, not a six. He goes, Tiger, Tiger said, I know.
I don't care. He goes, that's.
That's Rich Beam one, Phil Micholson, zero.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he walked out of the the room.

Speaker 12 I mean, so Tiger sort of relished back in that day keeping Phil down.

Speaker 12 That tells you he knew how good Phil was. And, you know, that was that, listen, that played into that Ryder Cup in 04, frankly.
That year, Phil finally won a major.

Speaker 12 He won the Masters and contended in all four majors. Tiger contended in none of the majors that year.
And,

Speaker 12 you know, he was a little bit in the point where he was searching for his game.

Speaker 12 And so he was looking at Phil now as more of a threat.

Speaker 12 And he wasn't going to sit there and help him read putts or help him with his chipping or putting or driving, you know, and that's just sort of the dynamic of those guys back at that time.

Speaker 12 They were that competitive.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. What a good story.

Speaker 1 It speaks to kind of the attitude around the tour towards Phil. And Phil has always been a love him or hate him, sometimes at the same time kind of guy.

Speaker 1 I don't know how many of our listeners are familiar with this nickname, Fig Jam,

Speaker 1 that the other players used to call him. Do you know the origin of that nickname and like who came up with it? Or if you want to explain that to them?

Speaker 12 You know, i i certainly know what it stands for um and and it it just i i think it got it it came up like through the gallery one time and somebody overheard it and it's and it kind of stuck uh but you know the first three letters what they stand for and then it's just just ask me and yeah phil had a reputation of of uh

Speaker 12 um you know the smartest guy in the room and that rubbed some people the wrong way you know and and this is not just golf this was everything, like any kind of topic.

Speaker 12 Phil was the expert, you know, and sometimes it was eye-rolling type stuff. And,

Speaker 12 you know, I don't know. I might be one of the two, one of the few guys that has found a way to appreciate them both.
Like I was never for one against the other type of thing.

Speaker 12 I always just liked them both in terms of what they've done. But you could see why people took sides.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, and

Speaker 12 Phil was the guy who signed autographs, waved thumbs up, looked you in the eye. He was personable, the people's favorite.
I think that Bug Tiger, that was sort of like Jack and Arnie back in the day.

Speaker 12 You know, Jack was the better player, but people loved Arnold. Tiger, better player.
People loved Phil. But then there was a bunch of people who thought, oh, that's a bunch of BS coming from Phil.

Speaker 12 You know, why doesn't he win more? Or, you know, this, that, or the other. And they appreciated the champion, Tiger.
So that's all part of the dynamic of this rivalry. And

Speaker 12 obviously the numbers don't suggest a rivalry.

Speaker 12 But as I tried to point out, and as I made very clear to Phil a couple of times when he was leery about another book about him, I said, I'm making you look good, man.

Speaker 12 Your record, it might not compare to his, but who else's does? It's better than anybody else's. And you took him on pretty well, and you stood above everybody else for 20-some years.

Speaker 12 And of course, winning the PGA at age 50, it's amazing. We're not talking about that still because of all this other stuff.
He won the PGA championship. He outdid Tiger in that regard.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 You know, so it's anyway,

Speaker 12 I found it fun to dig into it and

Speaker 12 lost a few brain cells trying to put it all together.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you are right, though. He is in the conversation just by, you know, being in the book and being the guy that people remember as the second guy in Tigers' era of dominance.
Now, the U.S.

Speaker 1 Open now, you're there live.

Speaker 1 We are huge course guys. We just love the course.
We root for the course.

Speaker 1 I've seen some videos where like the Fairways look daunting, the greens are insane. What, like, where would you say this ranks up there with other U.S.
Open courses?

Speaker 1 Because this is our favorite tournament of the year because they, you know, they make it so that it's as difficult as possible. Right.

Speaker 1 Do you think it's going to be that hard and scores being closer to zero than like, you know, minus six, seven, eight?

Speaker 12 I don't think it'll be like Wingedfoot or Oakmont tough,

Speaker 12 where typically right around par wins or sometimes over par wins at those venues.

Speaker 12 You know, last year, Torrey Pines was

Speaker 12 much harder than people thought it was going to be. You know, they have a way of toughening things up.
Obviously, Wingedfoot two years ago, where Bryson won, he was the only guy under par.

Speaker 12 He won by six shots. He was six under, but everybody else was par or worse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but no fans at that one. There's no fans.
So Asterix, yeah, both. Not count.
Not a true country.

Speaker 1 No fans.

Speaker 12 I think this one will be a little tamer, but not much. I think it's going to be very hard.
It's, you know, it's 7,200 yards power 70. That's not short, although it's not a bomber's course.

Speaker 12 I think there's some places where it cuts off and you can't just kill it with the driver. You have to.
Rory talked the other day about you having to be strategic.

Speaker 12 There's going to be some places you're going to have to lay back. It's just...

Speaker 12 It really is a cool old school design.

Speaker 12 The reason they don't come here more often is because it's a small footprint. It's in a neighborhood.
There's a lot of hassles trying to stage such a big tournament.

Speaker 12 They figured out a way to do it, which is great because this course has tons of history. You know, only three U.S.
Opens, all playoffs. You know, probably

Speaker 12 the win that put U.S. golf on the map back in 1913 was Francis We met.

Speaker 12 He sort of sparked interest in golf in the U.S.

Speaker 12 And yeah, I'm excited about it because I think the course is really cool and has a lot that

Speaker 12 we're going to appreciate.

Speaker 1 So who would you say is,

Speaker 1 if you were a betting man, if you were Phil Mickelson, who would you put your money on going into this weekend? And I'm going to give you a couple options.

Speaker 1 Brooks Kepka, Will Zalatoris, Max Homa. All three of them have a strong chance?

Speaker 12 Well, the reason I'm not keen on Brooks, and look, you say this and you cringe, right? Because he's so good in majors. And he gets up for these things.
And

Speaker 12 he has played well in majors when it didn't seem like he could.

Speaker 12 But he's not been really solid lately. You know, he just got married.
He hasn't played. I don't think he's played since the PJA championship where he didn't play all that great.

Speaker 12 You know, and before that, he wasn't good.

Speaker 12 You know, he's not really been solid lately. He's been dealing with injuries again.
And so I'm not so sure about him.

Speaker 12 I like Zalatoris because he's going to always be better on a hard golf course because he's not a great putter. And this is, if you can, if you can two putt it to death at a U.S.

Speaker 12 Open, you're going to be up there because it's not going to be that much under par. And, you know, he hits it long and he's got a good iron game.

Speaker 12 If he can make a couple birdies on par fives and stay away from the bad stuff, sure, why not? Max Homa, he's look, he's, he's been trending in the right direction now for a while.

Speaker 12 He's, he's sort of starting, he's on the cusp of establishing himself as, you know, one of the top 15 players, 10 players in the world. He's been knocking on that door with some really good golf.

Speaker 12 And now he needs to kind of take that step in a major and contend in a major.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was such a funny spin zone that you had for Willis Dalatori. But it makes sense.

Speaker 1 He has a lot of practice two-putting. And two-putting is what you need at this tournament.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I mean, you know, that's what's keeping him from winning some of these other events because they're birdie. They're birdie contests.
You got to make six, eight birdies a day.

Speaker 12 And unfortunately, he's not making enough putts, you know. But here, you know, you got to make the short ones when you're trying to get it up and down.

Speaker 12 But, you know, if you hit it to 30 feet all day in two putt and maybe get one or two to drop, you're going to always be in good shape in a U.S.

Speaker 12 Open typically because guys are going to miss greens and hitting a lot of greens is not that easy. And it's not a birdie fest.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm going to bet I'm will now because of that. All right.
So, Bob,

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Speaker 1 So who would be your pick right now for this U.S. Open? By the way, everyone go buy Bob's book, Tiger and Phil.

Speaker 1 You basically made a Father's Day book. I know that.

Speaker 1 I can't imagine a book will ever sell better than Tiger and Phil right around Father's Day. So kudos to you on that.
But who would be your pick? Maybe you have two guys that you're looking at.

Speaker 1 They're like, they're playing the best golf. This course, you know, suits them well.

Speaker 1 Who would that be?

Speaker 12 Well, I'm sorry to be kind of obvious, but Justin Thomas, to me, seems a good pick right now. I mean, I think it's actually good he didn't win last week.

Speaker 12 It gives you just that little extra bit of motivation, and you don't get complacent because you're coming off a win. And look, he did the same thing last month.

Speaker 12 He played really well at the Byron Nelson in Dallas the week before the PGA. He was a little bit annoyed that he didn't get that done.

Speaker 12 He had gone to Southern Hills during the Byron Nelson week to get a scouting trip in. Comes in.
Obviously, he had a big comeback on Sunday, but he did the job.

Speaker 12 You know, he played great the first two days. Bad Saturday, really good Sunday, wins in the playoff.
Then here, same thing. He played the country club last week before going to the Canadian Open.

Speaker 12 Got a practice round in here. Played great at the Canadian Open.
Didn't win. He was almost shot for shot with Rory on Sunday.
Just kind of had a mess up there on 17, which cost him.

Speaker 12 But still, finished third. Tony Fina was in the mix.
And I got to to believe he's feeling really good about his game, and he wants to capitalize.

Speaker 1 Okay, I love it. I like it.
Yeah, so what's the scouting report on the fans that are going to be there? Because anytime we have a U.S.

Speaker 1 Open or a major tournament in Long Island, you always get the, oh, this is going to be a crazy, drunk atmosphere. What's the scene like up there?

Speaker 12 I have a feeling it'll be similar. Nice.

Speaker 12 These guys are into it. Now, there's been some concern about heckling of the live guys, especially Phil.
Boston fans known to be tough.

Speaker 12 you know they're tough obviously on the on the uh on the celtics or excuse me on the on the warriors and the basketball um but that's because that's their team you know that they're rooting against right whereas in golf it's not quite the same now they were off the charts bad here during the ryder cup that was played here in 99.

Speaker 12 they were really you know there's a lot of stories written about the abusive behavior they gave the european guys like in other words they deserved it it crossed they did They did, but it crossed the line, I think.

Speaker 12 You know, there's a line, right?

Speaker 12 That's what the Ryder Cup is. Do I expect that here? No, but I expect them to be very rowdy, very boisterous.
I think they'll really get into it. It'll be a fun atmosphere.

Speaker 1 Awesome. I have one last, last question because you mentioned some of the gambling that takes place during practice rounds.
You don't have to name names, or if you want to name names, it's fun, too.

Speaker 1 Have you heard of a player in a major tournament, or I guess in an actual tournament, that's betting against their playing partner you know, during the third, fourth round.

Speaker 12 I've never heard anything like that. And that would be highly illegal, frankly.
You know, like they're not supposed to bet on the competition. It's more about their own practice round gambling.

Speaker 12 I do have a story, though, that's in there, too, that's about Phil. That's kind of funny.
It goes way back in a British Open. Him and a guy named John Houston.

Speaker 12 John Houston's probably 60 now playing Champions Tour golf, but John Houston won seven or eight times on tour, was known as a birdie machine. And him and Phil teamed up a lot.

Speaker 12 They were practice round bandits on Tuesdays.

Speaker 12 They took a lot of cash off of guys. Well, one year they're at the British Open, for whatever reason, they were on the opposite sides.
And Houston played great and really blitzed Phil.

Speaker 12 Like he, he just, you know, he played phenomenally in a practice round leading up to the British Open. And Phil thought to himself, you know, there's no way he can keep that going.
No chance.

Speaker 12 So he went into a legal booking booking shop in scotland and placed money on houston to miss the cut which he did

Speaker 1 and then phil

Speaker 1 phil

Speaker 12 relished telling houston that i bet on you to miss the cut and to this day because i interviewed john houston for the book he said man that hurt yeah you know it's bad enough that he that he that he bet against me but then he like rubs it in and he said to this day he'll rub it in uh you know so that's kind of like that's an example of betting against somebody, right?

Speaker 12 But it wasn't to my knowledge in the tournament, you know, itself. Like he went and did that away from the event.

Speaker 1 That's a great story. And there's many, many more in Bob's book, Tiger and Phil.

Speaker 1 Buy it now. It's out.
It's the perfect Father's Day gift. Bob, we really appreciate your time.
And have fun this weekend at the U.S. Open.

Speaker 12 Thanks a lot, guys. I appreciate you having me.

Speaker 1 We're going to get right back to the show.

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Speaker 1 All right, back to part of my take.

Speaker 6 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 All right, we now welcome on very special guests.

Speaker 1 It is Patrick Wisdom, Frank Schwindell. It is Schwisdom from the Chicago Cubs in town in studio.

Speaker 1 Very excited for you boys to be here.

Speaker 1 I'm upset that we didn't get Schwisdom shirts. I guess we should start there.
You guys are the greatest duo the Cubs have ever had, I would say.

Speaker 1 Oh, for sure. Like, like, sometimes they'll be like, oh, the sequel isn't as good as the original.
Well, Brizzo's out, Schwisdom's in.

Speaker 1 Top gun Maverick. Yeah.
You guys surpassed what was already an impressive feat. Do you guys, I mean, is it weird when people walk around being like, Schwisdom, let's go.

Speaker 1 I mean, you guys did do the back-to-back in

Speaker 1 two consecutive days this year. So you guys are locked step, right? Oh, yeah, for sure.
It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 Every time, like, if he hits before me, which he usually does, Hillary Homer comes around home, and I'm on deck, and he's like, all right, your turn. Let's go for it.

Speaker 1 Who came up with Schwisdom? And why not Fratrick? Ooh, I don't know about that one.

Speaker 1 Fratrick Schwisdom would be good. Fratrick Schwisdom.
Was it Joe Obvious that came up with it? Or I don't know.

Speaker 1 Dempster?

Speaker 2 Maybe. But I don't know if I can claim half that yet.
I still get the We Want Rizzo chance over there.

Speaker 1 We're working on it. So,

Speaker 1 how does that

Speaker 1 actually affect you? Because I would imagine that Rizzo, obviously, everyone loved Rizzo, right? So you understand that you're kind of stepping into an unfillable void.

Speaker 1 You'll never be like, you have to be yourself. You can't try to replicate what he did.

Speaker 1 Did that affect you when you first got in there?

Speaker 2 No, not at all. I mean, I knew, like I said, if I was half as good as him, I think it'd be a win, you know, win some fans over here and there.
But no, he's some tough shoes to fill.

Speaker 2 But, you know, just having fun with it.

Speaker 1 What are you going to say to him when you're, because you guys are here to play the Yankees, so you're going to get to first base.

Speaker 1 And what what's the first line you're going to say maybe maybe something like were they really that cheap with you like they really

Speaker 1 say that for me it'd be like big cat wanted me to know were they really that cheap with you I would lighten the mood yeah absolutely no but yeah I'm I'm not too mad about him leaving you yeah right you pursued this opportunity and let me get a chance yeah so you guys I mean you guys are similar in that like you're both is it is it fair to say grinders because you were in the minor leagues for a long time and you know

Speaker 1 came up and had your start in major league baseball, your breakout a little bit later in your career?

Speaker 1 Has there, I know we had you on last year, Patrick, but like going from last year to this year, were you like, oh my God, this is kind of comfortable. Like I actually get to do this again?

Speaker 1 Like I'm not going to have to move cities. I'm not going to have to like go everywhere.
Like I'm playing for the Cubs again. Yeah, there's an aspect of that.

Speaker 1 But like when I went to spring training, I still didn't know like, hey, I was going to be the third baseman. And then the staff was like, what are you, like, yeah, you're the guy, you're the guy.

Speaker 1 So, I was like, Really? And they're like, You didn't know that? Like, well, I've just never been in a position to like think that way or like know that.

Speaker 1 So, I went in on, like, hey, I got to fight for this spot again. So, yeah, um, there is, yeah, some aspect of comfortability and

Speaker 1 like knowing your way around now for sure. Yeah, and Frank, you were your middle seat Frank.
Oh, yeah. So, we got to talk about that story.

Speaker 1 So, as it goes, I wouldn't think everyone knows this story, like his keeping up on the Cubs, but Frank got sent down to Triple-A.

Speaker 1 The Cubs were out on the West Coast. This was what, a month ago, and a couple injuries, whatever needed someone, needed you to come back up, and you had to get there any way you could.

Speaker 1 And you were sitting middle seat, and a reporter, I think, was like, I'm on the same flight as Frank Schwindelli sitting middle seat. What airline was it?

Speaker 2 American, I think. I think it was like 23B or something.
Okay, I was back there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you were, and you were just, were there other people noticing you?

Speaker 2 So a couple of people in the airport were, you know, wanted selfies or saying what's up, or yeah, get back soon, stuff like that. I was like, yeah, don't say anything.
I'm starting tonight.

Speaker 2 They're like, oh, like, that's cool. They obviously didn't believe it.
But then I got to the gate where it was going to San Diego. There's a couple of people looking.

Speaker 2 And then my buddy sent me that tweet when I was sitting down. I'm like, oh, here we go.

Speaker 1 So you can explain that away, though. You can say that to me just screams that you forgot to check in for the flight.
So you were like one of the last people to check in. Or did you buy that?

Speaker 2 No, that's what they got me with. Oh.
Because

Speaker 2 it was the only flight that would make it in time for the game. And I think there was three seats left, and that was the closest middle seat

Speaker 1 to the front. Right.
So, and are you thinking to yourself, like, you're, like, I guess it's a,

Speaker 1 I saw your quotes after, like, there's no bad days in the big leagues, which is awesome. Right.

Speaker 1 But are you thinking to yourself, like, I'm not even first class? Like, if... If it were, let's just say Anthony Rizzo and that happened to him,

Speaker 1 I would say he probably gets a private plane from the Ricketts.

Speaker 2 I guess. I would imagine.

Speaker 1 So that's what we're working for. Hey, that's fine.

Speaker 2 I said I would have rode in the toilet to get there. But

Speaker 2 it's just a crazy, crazy couple hours there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that sucks, though, to get spotted middle seat and then get narked on. It's like there's nothing you can do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is middle seat. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Just got to wear it. You know, knees pressed up against the back seat.
And

Speaker 1 yeah, just wear it.

Speaker 1 It's actually a good perspective because I think just about 100% of the population would actually ride in a toilet if it meant that you get to start in a Major League Baseball game. Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's that's that's good to like have that perspective in mind to be like, okay, yeah, you know, it's kind of embarrassing to get called out on this, but at the end of the day, I'm playing the show, right?

Speaker 1 Right. Absolutely.
Going back to the show. Now, also that game,

Speaker 1 or maybe the game after,

Speaker 1 I want your guys' take on the balls this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I would guess from hitters' perspective, it's brutal because

Speaker 1 you had the bases-loaded warning track power, which was, there's been moments where I've watched baseball this year and been like, that should be a home run. What the hell do they do to the balls?

Speaker 1 Do you guys notice it like day to day?

Speaker 2 I think there's definitely a difference. You can, you know, just feel them.

Speaker 2 But then, you know, some days the 98 exit V-lo goes out and then some days the 103 stays in. So it's,

Speaker 2 I mean, part of the elements as well. But, you know, something.
Just something to think about. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 Are they switching them up, Patrick? Because I feel like, too, like, there's maybe like last weekend or the weekend before, I I was like, oh, I think they switched the balls this weekend.

Speaker 1 Like, everything's going out. I think they've secretly been switching in some good balls because

Speaker 1 certain games, like, on certain

Speaker 1 times, I don't want to say anything specific, but prime time. Yeah, you'll see like when we naturally televise games,

Speaker 1 or a lot of hard-hit balls, and they're going out of the park. Can you feel it off your bat? Does it have a different feel?

Speaker 1 Yes, and no. Like, sometimes, like, there's balls that we hit and we're like, oh, it's gone.
And then next thing you know, it's caught. And you're like, wait, what?

Speaker 1 Like, the years past, that ball is, you know, 10 rows deep usually. So

Speaker 2 I think early on it's tough to tell in Chicago with the wind and the weather. But yeah, some of them you're like, man, that should have went.
And they're camped under it.

Speaker 2 Like we had a late game Hayward hit one like 105.6 that got caught at the track.

Speaker 1 We're like, how's that even possible? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Can you tell like in batting practice when it's going to be a good ball night?

Speaker 1 Ooh,

Speaker 2 I don't know if those balls are the same because some of them are clearing the street easy across across Wavelen. And then,

Speaker 2 yeah, I don't know. I think you get it.

Speaker 1 They drop their balls on you last minute. Yeah,

Speaker 1 when the lights come on. Do you guys obsessively check the wind at Wrigley? I mean, I do as a better.

Speaker 1 And just because I'm like, you know, also you can tell the minute you see like the line open and it's like, oh, it's 12. And you're like, that makes, oh, yeah, okay, the wind.

Speaker 1 So like when you know it's a good wind day, you're like, I got to eat today. I got to get something up in the air and just let it go.
For sure.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Those are days you've got to get something in the air.

Speaker 1 You can't have anything more than one ground ball or something, but it's the opposite effect of our good friend Dan Heron, who pitched for half a season at the Cubs, and he obviously pitched a long time in Major League Baseball, but he was like, whenever the wind was blowing out, I would just try to call in sick and like not want to be there.

Speaker 1 Dang it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right, exactly. I don't want to play today.

Speaker 1 I feel like we need to talk about what happened last time you were on this show, Patrick. Okay.
Because I got a bone to pick with you. Do you know where I'm going to go with this?

Speaker 1 I have a feeling, but I'll let you.

Speaker 1 We asked you you specifically if you respected 90. Oh.

Speaker 1 And I'm a big fan of like the guys that sprint to first base after a walk, like the real try-hard guys.

Speaker 1 It's very funny to me to watch like David Eckstein sprint down the first baseline.

Speaker 1 And you said that you respected 90. And you said the next time you drew a walk, you would sprint to first base.
You'd hustle. Well, we watched you.

Speaker 1 You drew a walk. And then you just kind of lackadaisically trotted down the line.

Speaker 1 You completely forgot about your promise to this podcast.

Speaker 1 If you have a good explanation for it, I'd love to hear it. But if not, we might have an issue.
Yeah. I forgot about this.
There's a problem. We were all very

Speaker 1 good. Because we watched the game.

Speaker 1 We went out of our way to watch you play in this game. Yeah.
And we saw you get the walk. And

Speaker 1 we could not believe it. We were sitting in this room, our jaws on the floor.
Yeah, I'm sorry about that letdown because

Speaker 1 I realized when I got to first base that I didn't sprint and I was going to let you guys down like I really hope they're not watching this game and maybe they'll catch my next walk. But then

Speaker 1 I got ball four and it just went right over my head. I didn't even.

Speaker 1 So hold on.

Speaker 1 Are you saying that when you're in the batters box in Major League Baseball, you're not thinking about us?

Speaker 1 Is that what you're saying? No,

Speaker 1 if it was a full count, yeah, definitely not. I was trying to think some Tivity and

Speaker 1 just.

Speaker 1 What the hell? Why aren't you thinking about this? When I did get to first and I'm like, oh, shoot. Yeah.
Should have sprinted for the guys. Uh-huh.
All right. Well, you have a redemption.

Speaker 1 We're not going to run this probably till next week. So maybe the day after it runs.
Hopefully, I can get a couple walks. Yeah.
Yeah, Frank, maybe you can help us out. Maybe sprint.

Speaker 1 We just want to sprint to first base. Do you want me to do anything like when I get to first base? No, just sprint.
I just want to see somebody run to first base after a walk. Yeah, just respect 90.

Speaker 1 Respect 90. Yeah, I'll give you one.

Speaker 2 I don't walk much, so I'll celebrate every walk.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 I'll give you a hard 90.

Speaker 1 Not enough people pimp their walks. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, I'll give you one.
Do you exactly have a little backflip maybe and then run? Give us a quick sprint.

Speaker 1 All right, so Frank, I have this kind of a weird question for you.

Speaker 1 So you're wearing regular clothes now. You look like a regular person.
Do you realize though sometimes when you put on the uniform and especially you do the thumbs up,

Speaker 1 you look like

Speaker 1 somewhere between like an accountant and a little league player. Okay.
Do you do you know that you have that look? Like there's times when I watch you like do something awesome.

Speaker 1 I'm like, how is this guy doing it?

Speaker 1 Because you have, I don't know, you have like an unassuming look to you and it's gone right now it might be just be when you put the cap on do you know you look goofy sometimes uh i i know now that uh

Speaker 2 you know i'd hope someone else had told you yeah i just uh i don't have twitter because you know a lot of negative stuff on there but uh yep i'll see all the good ones through my buddies and stuff like that and yeah i've i've realized i'm i'm pretty goofy out there and i think it's relatable in a way but oh big time people are like how the hell is he a big league player it's not a bad thing yeah no i think it's the thumbs up it's really when you do the thumbs up because it's like you it's almost like a surprise that you hit a home run and even though you're in the big leagues and you do the thumbs up it's like

Speaker 1 it looks a little bit like our co-worker tommy smokes yeah look at how we look at this one go meet him yeah see that one yeah like that one where it's like you look you look pretty

Speaker 1 you look like an accountant who had like two wine coolers at the christmas party yeah like

Speaker 1 i'm hitting the dance floor yeah

Speaker 1 but at the same time you look like

Speaker 1 you're experiencing the fact that this is very cool that you just hit a home run.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, some guys hit him and I have a straight face around the bases. Uh-huh.
Not for me. I'm enjoying every second of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love the enthusiasm. It's like infectious because

Speaker 1 when you get a big hit or a big play, I'm like sitting watching being like, when is he going to do the thumbs up? When is he going to point to the dugout? Like, this is going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 So I hope, I think there's a lot of people in my shoes who are thinking the same thing.

Speaker 2 I got to keep it going now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Keep the big hits rolling.

Speaker 1 All right. So you guys played, like I said, we're going to run this next week, but you were in Baltimore last night.
Rain delay postponed.

Speaker 1 What do you do in the dugout for that many hours?

Speaker 1 Is there like, I'd imagine, in my mind, it's like, oh, you just sit there for three hours and bust each other's balls, but I would imagine that gets probably old after a while.

Speaker 1 Like, what happens during a delayed game in MLB?

Speaker 1 I mean, we were playing cards, snacking.

Speaker 1 Jason Hayward tried to give a speech. That would be funny if he did that.
It's like, all right, guys, we're going to beat the Orioles and we're going to only be 10 games under 500.

Speaker 2 Not that, but he was saying stay ready. He was convinced we were starting around 10.

Speaker 2 He was dressed the whole time, and he said he's seen it all on the East Coast.

Speaker 1 Do you have to watch what snacks you're eating before a game?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 the nutritionist is hanging around over there, but we can pretty much sneak in. Just candy?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Do you guys have a set pre-game meal? I know that Wade Boggs had a rotation of different chicken dishes that he would have.

Speaker 1 He would eat, I I think he had five different chicken dishes, and he would just cycle through them like a maniac, you know, throughout the entire season, never varied or anything.

Speaker 1 Is there anything specific that you have to eat before a game?

Speaker 1 Not me, no.

Speaker 2 I'd say if you know an 0 for 4, I'm not going to eat the same thing. That's the only thing.
So, like,

Speaker 2 some stuff is just out for good.

Speaker 1 What if you go like 5 for 5? Oh, then you got to repeat it.

Speaker 1 Are you wearing like the same underwear? 100%. Everything.
Yeah. Everything.
Not showering.

Speaker 2 No, you got to shower.

Speaker 1 You got got to shower? Yeah, you could wear the good. We're getting rid of all the good sweat then.

Speaker 2 I know. You might be right.

Speaker 2 You might be honest.

Speaker 1 If I went five for five in a Major League Baseball game, I would go back to the clubhouse. I would just sit there.
And I'd be like, okay, I'm not touching

Speaker 1 until the next game. Yeah, yeah.
I'd be like, I'm not touching anything. Whatever happened today is good.

Speaker 1 I don't want to screw it up. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, Patrick, you changed your bat, too. What?

Speaker 1 What changed? Can you explain it to dumb people who are like, a bat's a bat?

Speaker 1 It's at the bottom of the hands, right? Yeah, I have that big knob now. I saw some other good hitters do it.

Speaker 1 Basically, it's so you can get a bigger and heavier bat, but not affect

Speaker 1 the feel because the weight's below your hands, so you don't necessarily feel it in your swing. Got it.
Yeah. And it's helped a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you're supposed to hit the ball harder, which I've been doing.

Speaker 1 Do you guys go look at exit velocity where you're like, that should have been a hit?

Speaker 1 That would drive me insane.

Speaker 1 insane if you can go and do you see that i mean frank you'd know it right away well at wrigley they have it on the scoreboard so like as soon as somebody hits it like two seconds later everyone like checks to see like how hard did he hit that yeah how hard was that and like the uh launch angle and stuff and that has distance what's the hardest you guys to hit a ball that was an out I had a 112 and 112 and change in Colorado last year.

Speaker 2 Just right at the left fielder.

Speaker 2 Anything with launch is way out, but I was just shaking my head the the whole way back

Speaker 1 that was tough to look at yeah that's got to be so frustrating we when we had you on last year patrick we talked about mac uh sorry jacob degrom and how much it sucked to face him who's the guy that you've played this year either of you guys can answer this that is just like well this sucks who's got like the nastiest stuff we like we're stuff guys we like to talk about stuff

Speaker 2 i'd say corbin burns owns me and uh zach allen think i'm one for 20 something combined off those two and is it just nasty what is it it that he like what pitches give you the the most problem when you're facing a guy like that?

Speaker 2 Off burns, everything looks the same out of the hand.

Speaker 2 I know he's got them a couple times, but to me, it's you know the high-velocity cutter with the stuff moving off that big slider curveball to get you off it.

Speaker 2 And you know, just out of the hand, everything looks looks the same. So you're swinging, and sometimes it's not there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Have either of you guys gotten into the game, you know, going back to your minor league career as a pitcher?

Speaker 1 Oh, pitching? Yeah, have you ever... I always love that at the end end of blowouts when they sense it.

Speaker 1 I lead it step in the other day. He threw the other.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Got two quick outs and then let up back-to-back homers on back-to-back pitches.

Speaker 2 61 miles per hour, isn't it?

Speaker 1 Is that something that you had ever planned for? Like, if I get into the game, here's my strategy.

Speaker 2 Well, I was planning on throwing some knuckleballs because I messed around with it pre-game all the time. And I got on the mound and they were just terrible.

Speaker 2 It made them nerves or, I don't know, a bad ball or something.

Speaker 1 The humidity was off.

Speaker 1 You needed a certain

Speaker 1 thing.

Speaker 2 I said, scrap that. We're lobbing it in there and it didn't work.
And I think the last pitch I threw was 38 and Bader popped it up. So that might be the magic number.

Speaker 1 38 miles per hour. Yeah.
Yeah, I would just throw a change. I would just throw Ephesus every time.
Yeah, just throw it like a lollipop.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was fun. But hopefully I don't have to do that again.

Speaker 1 What was the feeling?

Speaker 1 You know, after

Speaker 1 the...

Speaker 1 Batter hit the ball and it's going over your head and you know it's a home run instantly.

Speaker 1 Did you even think about doing the thing where you you like hung your head or where you're like, you know what, this is kind of what they expected out of me.

Speaker 2 Oh, it was funny. I was shaking my head because I got the two quick outs.
I was like, oh, maybe it's going to be a lucky day.

Speaker 2 And then first pitch,

Speaker 2 I think Dickerson was the first one that got me. And then Newbar got me the second.
Two pitches to some damage real quick.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 you know, I think it was efficient. Three outs and two homers on ten pitches.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's celebrating the boys off the field. Yeah, you got to preserve the arm for the next day in case they need you again.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it was fun.

Speaker 2 if you're out in the field do you have a like a specific person that you know that you're gonna throw the ball to at the end of the inning like is there a kid do you ever like pick out a kid you're like okay that kid's getting the ball they're cheering hard they're it looks like their first time at the ballpark or do you just like throw it in there indiscriminately oh i uh so my new strategy was you know i had to win some fans over uh when i got over there so every every ball every ball warm-up ball i'll throw into the crowd so that's a good question so sometimes i'll pick them out in advance sometimes i'll throw it away from a section that I don't think they're going to have any chance of catching it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like that. You're like going door to door.

Speaker 1 Every fan. So you come over after you get one? Yeah.
Yeah. So like the people that are that are like chanting for Rizzo would be like, okay, I'm going to give that guy a ball.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And they're going to love me from now on. Yeah, we'll see who you're cheering for after the game.
That's smart. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 Or give a ball to like that person's kid, and they're going to like reluctantly have to become a Schwindell guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you got to win him over.

Speaker 1 It's brilliant.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so yeah, sometimes I'll pick him out and sometimes, you know, just wing it.

Speaker 1 there was a uh we were in milwaukee and i the ball in between innings and i just threw it over the stand or over the net indiscriminately and i i just saw the ball travel right to this guy wasn't paying attention doink right on

Speaker 1 brewers fan brewers fan all right

Speaker 1 caught right on top of the head and they were like all attending to him and they just put like the cold beer right on top of his head on his head yeah

Speaker 1 do you do you ever respect a fan that makes a really sick catch on a foul ball? Absolutely. Yeah.
You ever like give them a round of applause? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Should be in the game?

Speaker 1 I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 Getting on the video board. Yeah, we're hoping that, like, basically, what we're saying is, can we do anything to impress you guys for you to be like, those guys should be professional athletes?

Speaker 2 Oh, some of the Wrigley tradition is to throw back the home run boss. So, yeah, there's some that could get close to the end.

Speaker 1 You know what's bullshit, though? I don't know if you've ever noticed it, but

Speaker 1 I had season tickets in the bleachers for a bunch of years, and there's a bunch of dudes who bring a ball. So if they catch a ball, they flip it.

Speaker 1 So they'll throw out the ball they brought, they'll throw back the ball they brought, and they'll keep the home run ball, which is bullshit. You think it is? Yeah, that's

Speaker 1 the spirit of it is you got to throw back the ball that was hit.

Speaker 1 You can always tell if the guy has a glove or he's like an older guy, he's doing that. Like if it's a drunk 20, 30 year old, they're just tossing it back.

Speaker 1 You could tell almost right away, though, like that guy's switching the balls. Now, do you, as the fan, get anything from Wrigley or anything for catching the home run and then throwing it back? No.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they come over and they hit the cup snake out of your hand. You're like, go make another one.
Yeah. Go buy more beer and try to build it.
Yeah, that's build another one.

Speaker 1 They should reward that type of behavior from the fan. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 Send them a beer, send them a ball.

Speaker 1 Send them a beer. That's the least you could do.
For sure. And honestly, if I'm a fan, the plot to rookie of the year is exactly that.
That's my dream scenario.

Speaker 1 To catch a ball, throw it back so far, they're like, okay, we are actually going to sign this kid together. He blows the catcher down.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, that's, yeah, that's basically what we want you guys to think of us. You got to do something so athletic where you're like, whoa, Jed, give these guys a tryout.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll outlaw the position player pitching. We'll bring in the fan with the best arm.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there should be a fan pitch, yeah. I like that.
Are you, does it ever blow your mind that you are playing in the same stadium? where we saw Rookie of the Year?

Speaker 1 Like, you probably watched that movie growing up, right? I watched it like last week. Yeah.
It's a great movie. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He threw out the first pitch a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he always does.

Speaker 2 Every year he does. So it was cool.

Speaker 1 Have you guys, what's your guys' relationship with Jed? Do you see it when you see him? Are you saying Jed? Are you saying Mr. Hoyer? What's...
I said Jed. You say Jed? So Jed? You cool with him?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think so. I used to walk my team.
He's on the teams.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in Oz Park, and he walked his dog at the same time. And he would, it was funny because we were like friendly, but

Speaker 1 I could tell he'd always give me information that like he basically walks around with a little information in his pocket.

Speaker 1 Like, I can tell this guy, and like he'll think that I'm giving him inside inside information. And it's like something everyone knows.

Speaker 1 But I would walk away being like, holy shit, Jed just told me all these secrets. They're none of them are secrets.

Speaker 1 Does he ever give you guys some of those? Like, where he's like, here's like, you know, something about his strategy. And you walk away and you're like, yeah, you know what?

Speaker 1 Like, I'm sure he said that to like everyone in the building just now.

Speaker 2 Not that I know of.

Speaker 1 Okay. He's got to start doing that because it makes you feel good.
When a guy like that tells you something, you're like, wow. Oh, I bet.
Yeah, this is awesome. Yeah.
I'm a no-no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you feel like you're part of the plan yeah right let's do it right one of the inside guys yeah you ask him for my advice because i'll give it to you in his inner circles

Speaker 1 uh how do you guys feel about the bigger bases

Speaker 1 oh good question so last year when i spent some time in triple a it would they didn't seem like it wasn't like that big of a difference right obviously it's like different but it wasn't like astronomical i don't know what's your take I don't I don't know if it's going to make much of a difference, but I just think funny

Speaker 1 boxes. Yeah, yeah.
But the base dealers wear those gloves anyways. They like stick out.
Oh, yeah, the middies.

Speaker 2 Steals are up.

Speaker 2 I think there's been so many reviews and close calls this year. So maybe that'll, I don't know how much that'll affect it, but stuff like that.

Speaker 1 Speaking of which,

Speaker 1 did you ask for that review at home plate when you were out by a million feet? Me? Oh, no. No, I didn't.
I knew that. That was one of the worst reviews ever.

Speaker 1 Well, they were saying if he blocked the plate or not. Because we got, Wilson got called on it like a a couple games prior to that.
Got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we had the sound off because we were watching the NBA Finals and I just saw that you were, I don't know what happened. Yeah, you were total toast.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you guys can you guys ever tell like Ross to review it or does he listen to you when you say that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think like if we were very adamant about it because I love every it's basically every sport now. Like any sport, if there's review,

Speaker 1 you know, I think actually in the NBA Finals, someone got called for a foul in the first quarter and he went to the coach and was like review it and the coach was like are you serious why would i do that i only have one yeah like every every every player wants everything reviewed oh yeah but yeah i knew i was out yeah you were so i mean that makes like a flip or something it makes more sense that it was not a review to see if you were out because we were watching we were like wow they're idiots yeah we're like what is david ross doing right now i've never seen a more out person in my life yeah i was running i see the throw coming i'm like oh i'm gonna be toast but i don't know how to go about sliding in here so you should just go backwards in those points like just start running back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but like going backwards, like, I don't know, like, I would just try to do something a little different. Maybe jump over him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Superman. That has happened to Yadi.
Yes, yes. Yachty's the worst.

Speaker 1 You guys don't have to answer that, but he is the worst. That was a question or a statement.
It was a statement, and you're both nodding furiously, so I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1 So, like I said, we're going to run this a little later next week. But right now, as we're sitting here, the Angels have lost 12 in a row.

Speaker 1 What would you guys do if you're on that team?

Speaker 1 I actually can't imagine losing 12 in a row and sitting there every day. Have you guys been a part of a long losing

Speaker 1 streak where it's like nothing is going well? Oh, yeah, last year, 12. Yeah, 12.
It wasn't 12?

Speaker 2 I think right around there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I i mean it was bad last year but also the angels were in first place and they lost 12 like they were they were humming and now it's falling off the cliff so what happened last year when when 12 in a row happened i forgot that last year was 12 i thought it was like nine or ten i think it was i think it was twice once before i got there once when i was there but uh

Speaker 2 yeah those are ones some of you just scratch your head and after the game and just say all right you know lace them up and go at them again tomorrow but yeah so they did i don't know if you saw they had everyone uh walk up to nickelback oh yeah did that work no No.

Speaker 1 They lost.

Speaker 1 Should they try like Creed next? Yeah, I know. So

Speaker 1 was there a moment like game eight where someone like stood up and was like, let's do this today. And then just like, all right, well, now that didn't work.
What do we do now? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 There was

Speaker 1 an instance where

Speaker 1 someone did that and we went out and scored like six runs in the first and then we lost like 12 to seven. Oh, that was against the Brewers.
No, was it Philly? Yeah. Something like that.
One of those.

Speaker 2 Yeah. We were up like 7-0, and then they put up seven the next inning.

Speaker 1 I probably

Speaker 1 was out. That was the Brewers, I thought.
Oh, really? Yeah, because I tweeted Cubs are back. Yeah, it was a Brewers.
Yeah, it was a Brewers game in Milwaukee, and I was like, Cubs are back.

Speaker 1 This is awesome. Oh, boy.
And then, yeah,

Speaker 1 I actually distinctly remember that game. I was listening on the radio.
I was like, dude, they're fucking back. Yeah, we came out with a vengeance, and then it was like,

Speaker 1 I was like 14 to 7. Yeah.
Like, shoot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll make sure to get you some Schwisdom jerseys. Shirts, yeah, jerseys, yeah.
For sure. Maybe you get the jerseys too.
Yeah, jerseys. Who gets the number?

Speaker 2 Oh, we each got one of our own, so you guys get to pick.

Speaker 1 All right, okay.

Speaker 1 We could put your number on there. Yeah, I'm gonna make the fratric ones, and it's gonna be all in Greek letters.
It's gonna look like a frat shirt. Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you guys got to keep going back to back. That's electric when it happens.
Yeah. Oh, I know.
It's yeah, it's so much fun. Yeah.
But I hope you guys enjoy the shirts we gave, or I gave you guys.

Speaker 1 Yes, we gave you

Speaker 1 a single look. Yeah.
Just a quick little plug, yeah. So Northside High Fives.
Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So we do high fives for pretty much anything anything good on the field.
Yep. But if you buy the shirt off my website,

Speaker 1 part of the proceeds will go to St. Jude.
Love it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So what's the website, PatrickWisdom.com? That's it, yeah. Hell yeah.
I kept the same shirt. That is very simple.
Yeah. So he has some cool designs.

Speaker 1 And yeah, the North Side High Fives, I thought, is a cool little

Speaker 1 gig and saying. So we all wear them.
And yeah, you want to be part of the squad. Didn't Dusty Baker invent the high five? Dusty Baker? I'm pretty sure he claims that.
He's a Valentine in the wrap.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I think he claims that he invented the high five. He was like the first person to do it.
I could see him claiming that. Not some like Roman, like Greek god or

Speaker 1 Roman Emperor, like high five, one of his guys. Yeah.
Yeah, not Baker. Yeah, definitely.
He is a legend.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, Jesus wasn't going out there to high five anybody.

Speaker 1 No, it was Dusty Baker in like 1976. I'm pretty sure he says, or he says he invented the high five.
Yeah. I'm going to believe him.
Dusty Baker seems like a cool guy. So, all right.

Speaker 1 So when this runs, everyone go to patrickwisdom.com, check out the shirts. Great shirts.
You owe us a respect 90.

Speaker 1 And Frank, you owe us, ask Rizzo, how much the Cubs love bald them. All right, perfect.
Okay, all right, perfect. Thank you, boys.
We appreciate it. Thank you, guys.
Thanks for having us.

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Okay, let's wrap up. We got Firefest.
We're recording this in the middle of the day.

Speaker 1 So Hank is on Zoom because he's getting ready for game six.

Speaker 1 You listened at the beginning of the show to the fate of Henry Lockwood. Dub.
Okay. All right.
Wait,

Speaker 1 you got the dub? You got the dub.

Speaker 1 Did you get the dub? Okay, so this will be fun. If it goes the other way, this will be a fun time capsule.

Speaker 8 And like I said, game seven, we're having a live event at

Speaker 1 Hank. Let me ask you this.
Did the players leave leave any money in the ceiling when they were out in Golden State, knowing that they would make the trip back?

Speaker 8 I know, but I know that Golden State booked Encore for this big celebration night, and so it sucks that they're not going to be able to get to do that. Fuck all right.

Speaker 1 Now it's scary. Oh, damn.
Okay, so like I said, we're taping this before.

Speaker 1 We're in the middle of the afternoon. It's noon.
Hank is zooming in because we knew he was going to be in Boston. Billy is zooming in because he just didn't want to come to work today.
No,

Speaker 10 I woke up, felt a little bad.

Speaker 14 I'm taking a COVID test. And if it's

Speaker 1 only negative.

Speaker 1 You're a little full of shit.

Speaker 12 You had a little bit of a COVID scare, but I'm taking it.

Speaker 1 I'm taking it. And then

Speaker 12 I'm going to take a look at the show.

Speaker 1 Throat, cough,

Speaker 1 all that. Billy's being very responsible.
Okay, so. Billy's the only responsible member of the podcast.
Now,

Speaker 1 I've been blogging from home. Real quick.
That's good. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you must have been blogging from home. I have a real quick, I have a text real quick.
I'm going to get to my Fire Fest later, but this is from Tuesday at 4.38 p.m. Because,

Speaker 1 again, I'll get to my Fire Fest, but I've had to deal with COVID around my life this week, and I've been doing the responsible thing to protect everyone on the show and the guests that we've had on.

Speaker 1 I've been testing religiously every morning to make sure that I don't have COVID. When I told everyone I was going to be testing every morning, Billy wrote, Please don't test.
No testing.

Speaker 1 Ignorance is bliss. That was just two days ago what what's been the change of heart Billy

Speaker 1 you know just keeping everybody safe okay is it your hero dr.

Speaker 8 Fauci getting it

Speaker 12 yes yeah I mean if Fauci could go down anyone could go down yeah I could get anybody yeah so I

Speaker 1 I got a phone handed to me about an hour ago

Speaker 1 from Jake and usually what happens if if Billy is finding himself in like some sort of predicament sometimes he'll try to text me on the side thinking that me and Big Cat don't talk about things and that we don't share things.

Speaker 1 So Billy's like, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to go to the crunchy granola mom. It's a strict stepdad.
And instead of doing it that way, what Billy did this time was he actually called Jake.

Speaker 1 He was even afraid to text me on the side. So he calls Jake and Jake just hands me the phone and Billy's like,

Speaker 1 Yo, are we recording right now? And I was like, yeah, we are. He's like, I thought it was, I thought it was 2 p.m.
today. It's like, well, no, we have an interview with somebody at 3, I believe.

Speaker 1 Right? Yeah. I'm actually happy this happened because every now and then there'll be like an undercurrent of people who are like, you're too strict and hard on Billy.

Speaker 1 And this is a great show of like, no, we're not. We're actually not because he just didn't show up to work today.

Speaker 1 Which, well, how many jobs? 12 o'clock is pretty unbelievable. How many jobs can you? 12 o'clock is.
Yeah, how many jobs can you just not show up?

Speaker 1 And in reality, we're not strict because he's not in trouble. You know what? He's just looks like a fool.
And this is also right before he wants to be sent to to Nashville. I'm taking away an emoji.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm sorry, Billy.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 So, just to just to recap for everyone, Billy wants us to send him to Nashville to party with tight end you.

Speaker 1 And we basically were like, if you are on good behavior leading up to it, yeah, we could think about this. This might be fun.

Speaker 1 And then for some reason, last night he got so drunk that he didn't show up to work. That doesn't feel like

Speaker 1 doing enough to get sent to tight end you. So, yeah,

Speaker 1 the floor is billy's for all the lies that he's about to give us

Speaker 1 look

Speaker 4 dude it was

Speaker 8 uh

Speaker 1 entourage it was sick

Speaker 6 it was entourage was filmed you want to unpack that what was entourage ibecca film festival yolo i mean it was awesome i mean i did i'm here to take my lashings did what i did you know But it was it was cool.

Speaker 1 What did you do? Specifically. Yeah.
You did entourage. As far as I know, you were in Entourage last night.

Speaker 6 You were cosplaying Entourage. It was awesome.

Speaker 1 So who did you go out with?

Speaker 12 Literally all the best lacrosse players from my childhood. Okay.

Speaker 1 Anybody else that works on this show? Was anybody in there? Anyone in particular?

Speaker 12 Jake went home.

Speaker 1 Okay. Oh, so no, so Jake went out with you, though, right? And then he went home.
And then he went home, and then he came into work.

Speaker 12 No, no, Jake went home very early.

Speaker 1 After party till one in the morning. Oh, you were there, Jake.
Until one in the morning. Okay,

Speaker 1 yeah. So that's a reasonable thing.
So this is also, these are my favorite moments, too, because Billy thinks that the history of barstool started when he showed up, and he'll sometimes be like,

Speaker 1 Big cat, you don't understand how hard I have it. Like, you don't understand.
Like, this is like...

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So I remember vividly, if I could just share a story.
When the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup, I think in 2013,

Speaker 1 I was lucky enough to go out with the team. I was out till I want to say four or five in the morning because I remember, I vividly remember hearing the birds chirp when I got home.

Speaker 1 And then I wrote like 14 blogs the next day because I know if I didn't, Dave would have like reamed my ass out and made a fool of me.

Speaker 1 Um, and so that just kind of shows you the easiness that you have because really the only punishment you're getting is we're just doing this five-minute segment where we're like, dude, you couldn't come to work

Speaker 1 on a Thursday on a Thursday at noon?

Speaker 12 It was 2 p.m. I thought we were doing it at 2 p.m.

Speaker 1 I don't think you ever said that. Wait, wait, when you said it.
What time do you usually come up with? When it was 2 p.m., what are you talking about? What was 2 p.m.?

Speaker 4 I mean, okay.

Speaker 12 I have no excuses.

Speaker 1 There it is. Okay.
Hey.

Speaker 1 You're not getting the emoji. There we go.
The emoji is already gone.

Speaker 12 I don't want to take all the emojis.

Speaker 1 Billy, let me ask you an honest question.

Speaker 12 Sorry. I am sorry.

Speaker 1 Do you think that you are at a place in your life where you can handle the freedom of going to Nashville next weekend? Be honest.

Speaker 1 Yes. Oh, come on.
You should have said no there. I would have given you an emoji for honesty if you said no.

Speaker 1 I cannot.

Speaker 4 Because

Speaker 12 the thing is, the past couple of days, you've been entertaining a lot of clients.

Speaker 1 And wait, what? Wiquito in sales now? What the fuck?

Speaker 1 Entertaining what?

Speaker 1 Clients? Who's a client? Name, list the clients, because there was an S on that. I would love to hear one client.

Speaker 4 Game time?

Speaker 4 Oh, Arian.

Speaker 1 Arian's a client.

Speaker 1 Wait, Game Time. No, because they give you a free ticket doesn't mean that you're entertaining.
They're actually not how that works. They're actually entertaining you.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah. And I don't think you were with that.
You just went to a game. Like, I don't think you were with.

Speaker 1 No, he, no, he wasn't. He went to a game.
So that was entertaining game time.

Speaker 1 It's basically like when you, Billy thinks that when he drinks 15 Cores Light on Friday night, he's like, well, I'm entertaining Cores Light. I'm a client.
Yeah, I'm a big ad partner dinner tonight.

Speaker 1 tonight.

Speaker 1 Billy, you're literally sitting and drinking beers on your couch. I'm doing work, guys.
It's content.

Speaker 1 It's fine. I'm actually not mad.

Speaker 1 I'm just more, it is like I said, I'm happy that it happened so that it can be an illustration to our audience who sometimes thinks PFT and Hank and I are too hard on you.

Speaker 1 It's like, actually, we're very easy on you when it all comes down to it. Because I'm not, you're not in trouble.
It's just,

Speaker 1 it's just very funny that you couldn't show up to work.

Speaker 14 The thing is, like, I like, this is like, I took a shower.

Speaker 1 Okay, awesome. Now we're, yeah, progress.

Speaker 8 I got up like at 10.30, 11, like being like, okay, take a shower, get, like, going to work.

Speaker 10 And then it was like, oh, shit, we're recording at 12.

Speaker 8 And I was like, fuck.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you got up and everything, and you even took a shower before you were even supposed to be at work. So technically, you were early.
Okay.

Speaker 8 I'm sure there's plenty of AWLs who can relate to waking up for work at 10.30 and 11. And they're like, this is, no, this is cool.

Speaker 1 Also, also just want to throw that out there that PFT, you know, usually how this podcast works,

Speaker 1 as much as we think we, people think we don't have our shit together, we'll share on the text chain. Like, hey, what's the schedule tomorrow? Let's just fill each other in.
PFT at 5.42 p.m.

Speaker 1 last night. So that's fairly early.
That's not like late breaking news. Texted the group.
So noon tomorrow for Firefest for Stapp and Perez at 3. Started the show via Zoom after the game.

Speaker 1 And everyone laid out a teaser. Nice little teaser.
Yeah, that is. Yeah, that is.
But that was all laid out, and everyone was like, yep, that's perfect. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 Minus Billy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 Being a big L. All right, well, I think this is good because this is your Fire Fest.
We've done your Fire Fest here. I'm also noticing that

Speaker 1 Billy's got a little fake Clay Thompson vibe thing going on right now. Yeah, the goatee.
With the goatee?

Speaker 1 We should, you know what?

Speaker 1 If Boston had their shit together, they would try to sneak in their own fake Clay Thompson, and then they would stop the real Clay Thompson outside the arena and give him a hard time and detain him for like an hour being like, there's a lot of fake Clay Thompsons going around.

Speaker 1 How do we know you're the real one?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's what they should be doing.

Speaker 1 Billy gives the Warriors 35 minutes tonight. Yep.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 1 Although, Hank, like in the alternate 0.000001% chance, what if Billy beat the Celtics? That would probably be the worst loss of your life.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, but

Speaker 8 that would never happen.

Speaker 1 You're sweating out booze by the first quarter.

Speaker 12 I've been balling pretty hard lately.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Yeah.
It sounds like you balled a lot louder. All right.
So let's get to Firefest. Unless you have anything else, Billy, that you wanted to throw out there.

Speaker 1 Any other clients or excuses you wanted to throw to the wall and see if they stick?

Speaker 12 Look, I am honestly very, I'm sorry. It was a serious mental error.

Speaker 12 I think it was more of scheduling and thinking I had more more time than I did, not making excuses. I am sorry to the listeners because honestly,

Speaker 12 they deserve better for me. And I'm sorry.
And I know there's going to be a lot of people angry. And I'll take my lashings like a man.

Speaker 1 No tap.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no tap. Yeah, no tap.

Speaker 1 Give us at least one good story, low-key story from last night.

Speaker 12 We were in Chain Tatum's apartment.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's cool. Was he there? No.

Speaker 1 Does he know that people were in his apartment?

Speaker 1 I don't think he lives there anymore. Got it.

Speaker 12 But it was awesome. It was a great event.

Speaker 2 The movie.

Speaker 1 So not his apartment.

Speaker 1 Wait,

Speaker 1 what do you think Channing Tatum's apartment? What does that sentence mean to you?

Speaker 12 It probably was very cool.

Speaker 1 Right. But he lives in Channing Tatum's apartment.

Speaker 12 Not anymore.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 12 the sport was honestly amazing. It was like, I think that it's going to be be as huge for lacrosse as Drive to Survive was for F1.
It was an amazing feature.

Speaker 1 This movie.

Speaker 12 Showing an amazing venue on the water on Battery Park.

Speaker 1 Like, it was awesome. It's going to single-handedly turn lacrosse in the fifth major sport.

Speaker 12 It's going to get in the top five.

Speaker 1 Through this movie. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Thank God you went and entertained those clients.

Speaker 12 I know. It was an amazing movie.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's get into Firefest. That was a great review.
Jake, how was the night from your perspective? By the way, I want to just say,

Speaker 1 not to brag, but I called it when Billy's pictures showed up from the red carpet. Jake, you look great.
Dukes look great.

Speaker 1 Billy was wearing a party shirt, and people were trying to make fun of Billy for what looked like a double chin. I did not think you looked bad, Billy.
I thought he looked wide.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's looking wide.

Speaker 1 There have been some bad angles of Billy going around the internet recently.

Speaker 1 But it was so clear that he was wearing a shirt that was like he was hoping that one of his lacrosse heroes is like, bro, this guy is fucking ready to party. Let's go have a crazy night.

Speaker 1 And then it turns out that's exactly what happened. So mission accomplished in terms of the shirt, which I thought was a good play by you.

Speaker 12 I mean,

Speaker 12 it was a red carpet event. I didn't know what to wear to a red carpet event.

Speaker 8 So I was just like, let's wear the shirt that looks like drapes.

Speaker 1 Smart. Yeah.
And so, so, Jake,

Speaker 1 how many waters did we mix in last night?

Speaker 1 I double-fisted for the beginning.

Speaker 1 One water and one beer. Yeah, water and a drink.
Yeah, double-fisted. Yeah, so it was nice.
But no, it was a great event. Shout out to PLL for inviting us.
But that was my firefight.

Speaker 1 So I thought I looked bad in the red carpet photo, too. So we all looked pretty heavy.
Do you know what it was

Speaker 12 the worst photo of us as they could?

Speaker 1 You know what it was, Jake? Because

Speaker 1 as someone who's had very, very bad angles,

Speaker 1 when you wear a suit, you have to make sure that your shirt is always tucked in, like at all times, because you had a little bit bit of that pillow, yeah, where it wasn't your body, it was just the shirt.

Speaker 1 Like, suits, we're we're as a podcast, a bunch of guys that weren't meant to be in suits. Like, I think that's just a fact.
Like, there are people who look great. I wear one all the time.

Speaker 1 I got to be extra careful. Yeah, I know, but we're just like, it's hard to look good in a suit.
You got to wear a suit all the time. You got to have like those finely Italian tailored suits.

Speaker 1 Redemption next week.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. Yeah, you're going to have a nice suit.
I always say, like, if you're wearing a suit, it's good to have like one giant accessory to take people's mind off how weird you look in that suit.

Speaker 1 So like a fun hat or a shoe sunglasses.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Something something big, like a big belt buckle.

Speaker 12 Who designs suits? AC watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, nice watch. Whose idea was it to be like, hey, guys have to wear five pieces of clothes and these are the five pieces that make them look good.
Yeah. It's weird.
Yeah, I agree. It's

Speaker 1 right back to snuggle.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 It was probably like back in the day when like it was only rich people could afford more than like three pieces of clothing.

Speaker 1 True. I actually think it probably had something to do with people used to stink really, really bad.
So the more layers of clothes they could wear, the less smelly they were. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so like rich people would just stock up on layers. It would be a cool alternate reality where like the suit was just a tank top.
Yeah. That was the formal wear back in the day.

Speaker 1 And that's just how we've, how we've progressed as a society. Like 1400s, Christopher Columbus approaches the like royal court and he's rocking a wife beater and Jinkos.
Yeah, he's

Speaker 1 rocking a lax penny. Yeah.
Yeah. Marilyn Lackspenny.
And he's like, what's up, bros? All right. So that's your Firefest, Jake.
That's your Firefest Billy. Hank, what's yours?

Speaker 8 Update from my last week's Firefest. I did find my AirPods in my golf bag.
So

Speaker 8 that's a dub.

Speaker 8 They're about to die, though. But

Speaker 8 I kind of told PFC this the other day as a joke. Kind of kidding, but like low key.
All right, I just said that for real. Fuck.

Speaker 8 Sneaky, it might actually come to fruition.

Speaker 8 I am trying to find an apartment, and because I've been coming back to Boston so much and just like moving around and shit, I haven't really had time to like go and look at places.

Speaker 8 And like every place I look, oh no, the places I've looked, they're just like, oh, yeah, someone else got it. Like we had 10 people applying and someone else got it.
I have like another,

Speaker 8 I have like another few weeks, but I was telling PFD, I was like, there's a chance I have to move shit into your beach house for a couple weeks until August.

Speaker 1 No, Big Cat was thinking the same thing. I was thinking way worse when Hank was telling me about that, said he would have to move in with Billy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah that's what i thought i think you're gonna be moving i actually think it'd be good for both into the office i move i move to the streets yeah well i mean with your new paycheck you can probably move into channing tatum's old place true but yeah uh yeah hank might be like or at least hank's stuff might become a temporary roommate of mine down at the jersey shore why wouldn't you just put your stuff in the office there's so many like spots now upstairs you just throw all your shit like couches and shit i might just do storage i don't know i it's just one of those things where

Speaker 1 just a tip.

Speaker 1 I feel like that would probably be the smart thing to do if you're going to stay in the same location, maybe do storage instead of moving all of your stuff two hours away to then move it all the way back.

Speaker 1 No, it's not two hours away. Well, it was more like

Speaker 8 it was more like storage, put it in storage, but then I will come stay at the house for a couple of weeks. Like I was basically inviting myself.

Speaker 1 I'm more just trying to make it. I'm just more trying to help PFT where like you just said you might move a couch into his rental house.
That seems a lot.

Speaker 8 I don't know. I don't know what's going going to happen.
I just know that next week is, is, is gut check time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 8 Hey, like, it was, it's one of those things where, because, cause I came back last week on, on Wednesday, and then I was home for the weekend. And then I came back this morning.

Speaker 8 And like during the week, I just didn't, I tried to look at apartments, but they didn't have times like

Speaker 8 before or after work. And I couldn't just pull a billion and not come in.
So I had, I just didn't get to look at any apartments. And,

Speaker 8 you know, I have like, I have like less than a month at this point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're more than welcome to come stay. That's, that would be fun.
It's going to be a good time. We've got a pool table.
We've got a bar inside the house. We're right by the beach.

Speaker 1 I've got the gayest truck in North America. Yep.

Speaker 1 That would be a great look. Me and Hank driving around in the out-and-about truck.

Speaker 1 Why don't you just stay, Hank?

Speaker 8 In my current apartment? Yeah.

Speaker 8 I told them, no, they tried to raise my rent.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's one of those ones that I would just be like, fuck it, I'm not moving. Yeah, have you tried to negotiate or do you not know?

Speaker 8 I also don't like the... I mean, this is, I don't know if I said this on the show.

Speaker 8 Did I talk about the view thing on the show?

Speaker 1 Oh, you don't like the view. Okay.

Speaker 8 I, I, I, I looked at this building and it has a sick view of Manhattan. And then the apartment I looked in, I didn't really like the layout.

Speaker 8 And there was, they're like, oh, we have these other different layouts in the building. And I just looked at the blueprint and I was like, oh, this is perfect.

Speaker 8 Every fucking, like every, every view has to be sick. And then when I walked in, it had like, it was like blocked.
Like my view is blocked. And it's just pissed me off for the entire year.

Speaker 8 So I can't do it again.

Speaker 1 Thoughts and prayers, Hank.

Speaker 8 That's brutal. I know.
Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, whatever.
Skyline.

Speaker 1 Thank God you found your AirPods in your golf bag.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 What is, I mean, this is what do you want me to do?

Speaker 9 It's Firefest.

Speaker 8 Like, what am I supposed to talk about?

Speaker 1 It's true. It's true.
No, these are really good.

Speaker 1 They didn't have good seat selection in the Legends Club tonight. Wait, where are you sitting?

Speaker 8 Next to the Warriors Bench.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 That's tough. It would have been nicer next to the Celtics bench.
It turns out I left the diamonds in my Maserati, so problem solved.

Speaker 1 All right, PFD, your Fire Fest? My Fire Fest, I've been dealing with this off and on for like the last week and a half or so, but it really, it got concerning to me last weekend.

Speaker 1 I woke up, I thought I was having a heart attack.

Speaker 1 I woke up and my entire left arm was numb. And when I say numb, I don't mean like pins and needles numb.
I mean, I could not feel. anything on my skin from the shoulder down to the tips of my fingers.

Speaker 1 And I pay, that's a weird feeling to have when like a complete limb is just not there. And so, I sat up and I was, I was turning side to side in bed, and my arm was like flopping around.

Speaker 1 And so, I would pick it up with my right hand and drop it, it would just snap back into place.

Speaker 1 And after about, I don't know, two minutes or so, I was able to like get feeling in it and move it around.

Speaker 1 But that it's happened to me, like, to a certain degree, maybe three times over the last week and a half, when I just wake up, and my arm is kind of I think I'm my arm is about to fall off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 My left arm. That's um,

Speaker 1 I mean, it sounds like it's just your arm to sleep, but it sounds obviously more severe. Maybe I got like nerve damage in my...
I don't know. Are you sleeping? You're sleeping on your arm?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. Maybe it's just from years of blogging.
Damn. It's an overuse injury.
I don't know. Imagine if you had to get a hook.
If you got a hook, that'd be kind of sick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was actually thinking about what... If I were to get some sort of prostate, if my arm fell off like a lizard's tail, like what I would get to replace it.

Speaker 1 I think the hook is a little bit dangerous. It's either hook or robot arm.
Yeah, robot. I would like to have the robot arm.
Yeah, really. Yeah.
Then I couldn't play guitar anymore. That'd be tough.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would like a maraca.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 12 Feel like a maroca or something.

Speaker 1 Oh, like a shaker? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Billy, as our pro football doc, what's your medical diagnosis of my arm not feeling there anymore?

Speaker 12 You got to work on your circulation. Probably get a vascodilator.
Start lifting. Do some cardio.
Get the blood pumping.

Speaker 1 I do. We work out together sometimes.
You know that I lift.

Speaker 10 We haven't worked out in a long time.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I know you haven't.

Speaker 12 I worked out yesterday morning, but anyway.

Speaker 1 And you still take care of the damn thing.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, thoughts and prayers.
Yeah, I don't know. When you say vascodilator, are you talking about like Viagra?

Speaker 4 No, well, maybe, but...

Speaker 1 I think you're...

Speaker 1 I just got prescribed Viagra. Yeah, some type of blood thinner.
Are we talking like maybe pain? You gotta get the blood pumping, loosen it up a little bit.

Speaker 1 I think I so once I started moving around, then I was able to move my arm again.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I think you're restricting blood flow to your arm somehow.

Speaker 12 So I get that pumping.

Speaker 1 Maybe I did sleep on it in some weird way. But I've done it like three times this week.
That's fucking crazy. It was, it was crazy.
It was like my arm wasn't even there.

Speaker 1 And then I told Nick once I got in the office, I was like, yeah, I think I was having a stroke. He goes, no, that's a heart attack.
Yeah. You're having a heart attack.
Yeah, one or the other.

Speaker 1 Did you

Speaker 12 JJO with your numb hand?

Speaker 1 No, no, I didn't jack off with the ghost hand, Bill. While he thought he was having a heart attack.

Speaker 1 Now, the thought did occur to me after the fact. I was like, whoa, I bet that would have felt sweet.
But

Speaker 1 I couldn't move my hand. So if I wanted to do that, I would have had to wedge my hand against a wall and then fuck my own hand.
Yeah. I couldn't move it.

Speaker 1 Worth thinking about if it keeps happening. Maybe next time.
Now that next time, I'll be prepared.

Speaker 1 All right, my Fire Fest wrap-up.

Speaker 1 Like I said at the start, I went to a wedding last weekend, and literally everyone got COVID except myself, knock on wood.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it's been a hell of a week.

Speaker 1 My wife is out with COVID at a hotel, and so I've been one-on-two with the kids trying to

Speaker 1 earn Father's Day. I feel like

Speaker 1 I'm getting tested right before Father's Day. Like, can you actually earn this? Yeah, so are you going to be, are you going to be relieved of duty by Father's Day? Maybe not.
So it might just go,

Speaker 1 you might just be, you know, one-on-two um yeah it's it's been it's been interesting this is your cam newton moment where you're like okay i got this a lot of a lot of moments where i look up and i'm like wait where the fuck are my kids and they're like somewhere in my apartment yeah so it's you know a little got to be a little more on my toes um but yeah it's been it's been fun trying to juggle all that i imagine that um if you're dealing with like two poop emergencies at once that's probably the worst part right uh no it's no actually listen when once you become a dad like poop is nothing like i don't it just doesn't even phase me it's way more like um where like where are my kids like they're they crawled into a room and now i don't hear them the the silence is the scariest thing as a parent when when you can hear your kids playing nothing matters but when you like they like walk out of your eye eye line and then it's silence you're like oh fuck something bad is happening so but yeah it's been a fun test and uh yeah i'm just just remember to wish me a happy father's day on sunday because i earned it this year i really do think that Billy is giving us a good real-life experience for raising a teenager.

Speaker 1 Like, Billy,

Speaker 1 for all intents and purposes, Billy is 14 years old. If my son is like Billy, I might have to just kick him out of the house.
No, there might be a situation like Jimmy Butler. He just got banished.

Speaker 1 I would be ready. I think I would be ready for a Billy-like child by the time they're 14 just from going through this experience.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Because the problem is.
Just give them a ball, and you're like, okay, go throw this against a wall.

Speaker 1 You have to have still unconditional love for your child, and that would be tough for Billy right now. I still love Billy.
Yeah, but unconditionally? No, I mean,

Speaker 1 there's definitely a line.

Speaker 1 That's the thing.

Speaker 1 Unconditional love is very different than just regular love.

Speaker 1 I unconditionally love Jake. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 12 Hey, man, this podcast life.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Billy really did. Something like that.
Just when Billy gets fake sentimental, that's actually when I come closest to not loving you. Yes, correct.

Speaker 1 Because Billy has actually said to to me, like, he has stoneface been like, you don't understand how hard like this content game is. And I'm like, dude, are you, are you actually saying this to me?

Speaker 1 No, I

Speaker 1 just said that.

Speaker 12 I think you blogged in a different era.

Speaker 4 I will say that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he's going to see this is this is the crazy thing. It was actually harder to blog anymore, Billy.
You don't blog.

Speaker 1 The early 2010s was maybe the hardest era to blog in. You had the most competition, the fiercest competition.

Speaker 10 For example, I think you could have, like, when you put up 14 blogs, like it's 14 blogs that no no one else is blogging.

Speaker 1 Whereas, like, nowadays, when you're blogging, you got to be like, oh, my gosh, really. This is insane.
This is what I deal with people.

Speaker 1 He literally said, he said to me, I don't even know if the video is out now. He's like, you don't understand how hard it is to be on camera all the time and blog all the time.
Like,

Speaker 1 you literally just describe my life.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 8 They used to get in the most petty fucking fights about blogs.

Speaker 1 Re-blogs.

Speaker 8 Like, it was...

Speaker 8 And yeah, yeah, that's just not true.

Speaker 1 Billy is

Speaker 1 every gen Xer that is like Billy would have gotten chewed up and spit out in 2013 on the blog sphere.

Speaker 12 I mean there was less bloggers and there was more topics to blog so you could get out of there.

Speaker 1 No, there was not more topics to blog about. That's just

Speaker 1 there's way more now. Yeah.
Like you know how many more people are on the internet right now? Do you know how many stories happen every day? There's stories out my asshole.

Speaker 12 But like there's other people who would take the same stories.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we would right. That happened then.
That happened then then, all the time.

Speaker 12 But there was more, there were less bloggers, more topics.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Billy, also, the reason that you didn't blog this morning was because you were hungover and didn't wake up until 11 o'clock.

Speaker 1 Correct. Not because, like, well, Billy's going to be like, well, if I had been awake, people would have taken all the blogs I was going to read.
So I got drunk.

Speaker 12 I have three blogs in my pending that just won't get posted. Wow.

Speaker 1 Too bold for the internet.

Speaker 1 Billy, you realize that, like, if I, like, there was the only time I can remember someone just not blogging one day, just waking, like, we woke up and this person just didn't blog, it was Trent when he went to jail.

Speaker 1 He was literally in jail. That was the only time I can remember someone just being like, not going to blog today.
And Trent probably tried to blog from jail.

Speaker 6 Who says I wasn't in jail?

Speaker 1 Okay. Oh, man.
All right. Numbers.
Jake, do you have one?

Speaker 1 A number? Oh, you already did. You just fired that picture.

Speaker 1 Yeah, look fat. Look quick.
Oh, my God. He's the problem is right now he's in that like goofy hungover phase where he thinks everything's funny.
Yeah. And it's, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Billy's about to have some really bad tweets this afternoon. Yeah.
I can tell some bad tweets. And then he's going to regret it tomorrow.
And he's going to be like, My dad's mad at me.

Speaker 1 You guys made me tweet. My dad's mad at me.
It's basically the weekend, big cat. It was Wednesday night last night.
How's your Saturday, Billy?

Speaker 1 All right, 26. What's your number, Hank? 18.
Memes got three.

Speaker 1 25. Bubba? Six.
Six. I'm going to go two.
Two.

Speaker 1 69.

Speaker 1 88.

Speaker 1 New. Wow.
No. Scoregami.
Patrick Kane.

Speaker 1 Michael Irving. Right? Michael Irving, yeah.

Speaker 13 Playmates. 86, twenty-six, twenty-seven, twenty-nine, fifty-one, seventy-eight.

Speaker 1 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 I'm not what

Speaker 1 to say, I'll stay anyway.

Speaker 1 Days are not days to find

Speaker 1 shine away.

Speaker 1 I've been coming for your love of king.

Speaker 1 Shine away.

Speaker 1 I've been coming for your love of king.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 need

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 1 Needless to say,

Speaker 1 I hope I'm saying it.

Speaker 1 Gotta be somewhere in the night.

Speaker 1 Smelling learning, my life is okay.

Speaker 1 Stay after me.

Speaker 1 It's no better to be safe and sorry.

Speaker 1 Stay after me.

Speaker 1 It's no better to be safe and sorry.

Speaker 1 I'm

Speaker 1 Things that you say

Speaker 1 gave me the loud.

Speaker 1 Just wave up the rest.

Speaker 1 You're all things I've got to remember.

Speaker 1 Be shy and away.

Speaker 1 Love me, come and please anyway.

Speaker 1 Shine away.

Speaker 1 Love me, come and plead.

Speaker 1 Take on me.

Speaker 1 Take on me. I'll be

Speaker 1 yours.

Speaker 1 I'm me.