Warriors Win The NBA Finals, Hank Was Live On The Wood For Game 6, Golf Writer Bob Harig From The US Open Plus Cubs Patrick Wisdom And Frank Schwindel

Hey, Pardon My Take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music.
On today's Pardon My Take, the Golden State Warriors are NBA champions. We have Henry Lockwood live from the wood post-game.
He was forced to watch the entire celebration and not leave the wood. We're going to get his recap.
We're going to talk about the NBA finals. We have a packed show.
We have golf. We have hockey.
We have Stephen Shea becoming the fantasy commissioner of Mike Trout's Fantasy Football League. We have a great interview with Bob Herrig talking golf.
We have Patrick Wisdom and Frank Schwindel on the show. Just a heads up.
We taped it last week. So we've had some events.
The Cubs have gotten significantly worse than the past week, which is hard to say, but it is the truth. And then we have fire fest, which is also an all time Billy moment.
So make sure you tune in. There's a lot, a lot going on, on today's show.
The barstool Golf Time app makes it easy for golfers to find the best tee times at the best prices.

Stop searching all over Google for your next tee time.

Start searching multiple courses in your area from one app.

It's annoying to have to create accounts for each individual course to book online.

Just make one account with us at Barstool Golf Time and book all of your tee times.

Plus, the new reservation sharing option

allows you to take control and book tee times for your entire group. Earn golf time rewards every

time you book or leave course reviews. And then you can redeem those rewards for free Barstool

Golf Merch in our store. Download the Barstool Golf Time app now.
Start earning those rewards

and booking those tee times. Barstool Golf Time app now.
Boy! Boy! Now in the street there is violence. And then a lot of stuff is worth to be done.
No place to hang out or wash in. And then I can't blame all on the sun Oh no We're gonna rock down to Electric Avenue And then we'll take it higher Oh we're gonna rock down to Electric Avenue It's a part of my take presented by Barstool Sports Welcome to part of my take presented by Visible.
Go to visible.com slash pod. Get unlimited single line wireless for as low as $25 a month.
Today is Friday, June 17th, and the Golden State Warriors are your NBA champions. Steph Curry puts an absolute stamp on his legacy.
Four-time champion wins his MVP. What a series.
And not really what a series, but what a dynasty by them. And PFT, I'll start with you, but I think everyone just wants to hear from Hank.
No, yeah, I'll keep it short and sweet. It is June 17th, and Hank Lockwood is dead.
Steph Curry is now in the conversation for best basketball player of all time. All time.
But he still hasn't had the MVP trophy handed to him by the commissioner yet because we had the backup commissioner. True.
That filled in for silver and did that tonight. I'm sure that somebody will bring that up tomorrow on one of the shows.
But most importantly, there was somebody weighed in,

a very important sports figure weighed in, Lil B.

And he said, Warriors better than Bulls

and Jordan Warriors, Warriors best team to ever do it.

Warriors better than Jordan.

So there you have it.

This team is the greatest basketball team ever assembled.

So at least you can

take solace in that Hank. You lost to the

best team of all time according to Lil B.

The debates will be

fun off of this one

but we should

talk about the game and

we had our live correspondent

Henry Lockwood

on the wood

on the court for game

six. Hank

Thank you. Henry Lockwood on the wood on the court for game six.
Hank. I mean, I'm just sad.
Like, I'm very, very sad. I.
Well, first of all, like, it's just one of those things where it's crazy. Like Like I do.
I like sitting in those seats.

I feel like an imposter.

I'm like, why am I sitting in these seats? And I don't know that I'll ever sit in those seats again.

So I was just trying to take it all in.

And it was an unbelievable experience sitting there.

The game part of it absolutely fucking sucked.

Watching the Warriors come back to the bench and hearing them celebrating.

Absolutely sucked.

Kind of right in your face. A little bit.
Can i ask a question real quick about the seats big cat um did you think about doing anything about that guy that was boxing you out all night because he was dominating you guys no i mean no i don't know what you're talking about the guy to your left he was boxing me out i mean he was he was dominating the line of scrimmage yeah i didn't notice that um he was he had some some some g-rated chirps that were tough to listen to oh no i've got he actually listened he actually took clay's uh statement to heart and was like we gotta clean this up we gotta get class here come on come on clay don't beat us tonight like and then like, we got to clean this up. We got to get class here.
Come on. Come on, Clay.
Don't beat us tonight. Like, and then like said, like, good luck to Steve Kerr before the game.
But like Steve Kerr turned around. I was like, thank you.
Like, that's how close it was where it was like, he's like, good luck coach. And then like he turned around.
I was like, thanks, man. Wow.
Boston soft. Oh, no.
You changed Boston. Hank, I have a serious question about the game though.
Sure. PFT.
Yeah. Thanks for calling on me, Hank.
Um, what was the logic that went behind changing your shirt? And did you bring like a backup shirt to wear or did you find that? Did you buy it new in the stands? How did that work out? I was going to wear this shirt that we just came out with for Derek White, who fucking sucks is maybe the worst player in the last two games. Um, so that was just dumb on my part.
Cause I thought it after game three uh and by the time the shirt was made he was just an absolute garbage can but i wore that to the pop-up shop and then dave was like it'd be funny if we wore these matching celtics and seven shirts so i just put that on over my derrick white shirt and then the third quarter it was bad like they had. You know, it felt like it felt like the game was over, honestly, in the in the second quarter.
And going into the third quarter, I just took it off. It was like, if there's any chance, there's anything I can do.
Let me switch shirts. And they kind of started to fight back.
But they just never they just never got over the hump. Like they just they would take it to turn the ball over they would hit a three we would hit a three we would get a stop turn the ball over like they just couldn't get that score stop score stop score that they needed to come all the way back and get it within like five or six they just they just couldn't get over the hump jason tatum played really really really fucking bad Marcus Smart played pretty fucking he was just I mean it's just Marcus Smart you live and die with him but he was wiling out was it the moment too big for Tatum it's like Altuve is Tatum double teams it's like he never got double teams before he's just never gotten i guess hank do you want to keep doing doom

gloomer we can cheer you we can try to cheer you up sure big cat all right well i'll try to cheer you up and i want to talk about the warriors too after this but i mean that sucked for you and that was a brutal ending especially because that 12 to 2 start you're like oh geez like this is this is going to start and turns out that was like them emptying the tank um i did think that the celtics fighting like it's gonna sound like loser talk but deserves a tiny bit of credit because there was a moment there where it was like are the warriors gonna win by 40 and like steph is gonna spend the last 24 minutes of this game dancing and like rocking the baby to sleep. And so them fighting a little bit there was nice.
Robert Williams, again, probably the like Jalen Brown played really well, but like Robert Williams, like he was everywhere. He'll never give up.
And I, what I would say, Hank, in a spin zone for you is this team is still young. Like I said, Jason Tatum, 14 like he's gonna be he'll learn and he was a no-show but he'll learn and he'll get better and you can't right like isn't there something about that like that you can you can go to bed being like this is the growing pains of the nba this is what like good teams have to do to become.
Tatum might have just shown his true colors.

Like that's who he is under the bright lights.

I don't know.

But that's a good spin zone, Hank.

I'm just trying to help you, Hank.

I mean, I feel like the only real good comparison to the Celtics team

is the fucking Thunder, and they never got back.

You've never, by the don't i don't want to

make any of this about me but you have not congratulated me about my future yet fuck you you haven't everyone else did i just feel bad for for the city of boston they give their kids in boston that are about to start preschool that have never seen a parade yeah that's true yeah i guess yeah it's tough the so hank what did you have to you had to sit there and watch the entire uh is that like a issue with being on the wood they were like you actually have to stay and watch this entire presentation yeah it was actually that we got told you know the guy that was walking us to and from our seats told us basically he's like, you guys can either leave with like three minutes left. But if you stay, you have to like, we're not gonna be able to get you out until like, you know, the stage gets out there and stuff.
We didn't stay for the whole trophy ceremony, but we had to stay and watch them celebrate for like for 10 minutes after. What was the worst part? Billy, sorry.
I know you're falling asleep. What was the worst part of like, what was the worst part Billy sorry I know you're falling asleep what was the worst part of uh like what was the worst part well Draymond quickly quickly before I mean I'll just tell this funny story but the so we knew that we knew we had to stay there and we had security next to us and the people next to us basically were like didn't know or whatever and just tried to power through it and the security guard put his arm out and this guy just like just mowed right over him and the security guard like had to chase him down and hold him back and like the guy who i'm sure probably paid fucking six figures for tickets was like i'm not like why are you stopping me like i'm leaving and the guy was like no you're not it was it was it was pretty wild that's um he was like taken prisoner Well, the guy was like, he was trying to get out.
And the security guy was like, we can't let you leave. And the guy was like, I'm going to fucking leave.
And the guy was like, I can't let you leave. It was a standoff.
And the guy just basically just ran away. And I'm getting out of here.
Yeah, the security guy was like, okay, fuck. You watching the trophy presentation and all that stuff, that's like when Diggs watched the Chiefs get their trophy afterwards.
You want to watch. You want to feel that sting so you remember it so you fight harder next time.
I would say the worst part, I mean, Draymond's threes were tough. The third quarter, the beginning of the third quarter, when they just came out, turned the ball over, over gave up a three turn the ball over like it they had the chance and they just or it was being in the fourth quarter i forgot what yeah they cut it to eight they were they cut it yeah they cut it there it was being the fourth quarter my bad um because they had cut it to 12 or whatever it just it just felt like they were right there and they just didn't come out with any any fire any desire yeah um hold on cut this part billy just turn off your camera i don't want to watch you doze off in my face um yeah i just don't i like it's very distracting um okay back well there's no positive spin zone right now you're just gonna have to soak in it like how bad it was.
But like there's, I mean, you have to be able to be like, that was an incredible at least run. No.
I'm trying to help you, Hank. I'm trying to pull you out of the depths here.
I'm trying to pull you out of your grave because I saw that Henry Lockwood who double fist pumped and looked entire he lost control of his entire body when

they cut it to eight like you said and he looked like he was getting electrocuted it was crazy he really was he was he was uh he was marv from uh home alone or harry i can't remember harry for marv no it was marv marv harry was joe pesci yeah that was dave was besides the besides the 12 to two opening run. That was the only glimmer of hope.
Like besides that, it was just battling back or just watching them just cash threes in our face. The I don't know, like Mark is smart.
What happened? Like when the game Steph hit him in the nuts or something, he just fell to the ground and then hit a wide open three. Like that was the game.
It's just sad I mean obviously like again like I don't think I'll probably ever sit in the wood again and if I do I'll be very happy but like if I don't I'll always appreciate those three games and like there are some unbelievable memories but see there it is you gotta see some I mean you touched a NBA finals game ball and almost shot it like you have I got another one tonight you guys Yeah, I saw that. I saw that.
You gave it back really quick, though. Yeah.
Well, I mean, you touched an NBA Finals game ball and almost shot it. I got another one tonight.

Did you guys see that?

Yeah, I saw that.

I saw that.

You gave it back really quick, though.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, I didn't want to.

The first time, I didn't want to, like, I don't know.

I don't want to be a liability.

I don't want to get, like.

You're the foul ball guy for the NBA.

I don't want to get to put on a no wood list.

You're the Zach Hample of the NBA playoffs.

You should have just chucked up a shot because then you wouldn't have had to watch the Warriors celebrate. Yeah.
Yeah. What stuff is crying? You step.
All right. So are you, is there a fire fest you wanted to do? You had an extra fire fest because I wanted, I do want to give the Warriors like their credit and talk about this run I mean Liam Liam will be able to read

you guys know my my love for Gucci Mane probably top top three favorite rapper of all time in my personal opinion like my one of my favorites he was there and and this is gonna sound this is this is just wood wood problems but there's under the story of this podcast for you huh yeah in between

halftime they bring you to this uh putnam club where they have drinks and food and stuff and you can hang out in between halves with the other wood elites and dave they give dave like a table so he's like the elite of the elite and they're like oh you're gonna be sitting next to gucci man at halft. And I was like freaked out.
Dave doesn't even know who Gucci man, but his girlfriend's a big fan too. And so when we got back there, it's like private, like it wasn't like a force.
It wasn't like a, you know, like, can we take a picture? Like, it wasn't like crazy. It was just, our table was literally next to him.
And Dave was like, before I could even do it, Dave very casually, it was just sitting sitting right next to him was like, Hey man, can we take a picture? Like I'm gonna send it to my girlfriend at Gucci man. It was just like, no, he's like, just like, he was just like, no, I'm eating.
No, this is before the game. No, this is at halftime.
Oh no. Hank, that's tough.
It was, it was me, Dave, and then Gucci man and his crew, and then Dave Matthews Band and his crew. Like, that was the table.
Dude, what a sick group that is. If I could have got a picture with Gucci, that, like, maybe would have been a nice spin zone or, like, you know, something nice takeaway from the night.
But no, it's the memories you made along the way. That's what the real NBA championship is.
I do think, obviously, right after the loss and this is what the people want to see is you doom and gloom right after a loss but I think in like a few days you'll come around to like hey listen if I feel like the Celtics are Jason Tatum not avoiding all contact when going to the hoop away from maybe winning an NBA title all three like every day and I do think Richard Jefferson when he said like I do think there's an element of maybe they were just cooked like they're just absolutely gas like the last three games they just had so many inex inexplicable turnovers and every time they drove to the hoop they didn't get fouled or foul calls and they just didn't like they were just basically driving looking for foul calls and then when they didn't get the foul call they just couldn't finish well there there was also also so many in and outs in the third quarter like it's not even an excuse like it is what it is it's a make or miss league but again in that climb back there was like two or three in and outs and then two or three missed layups where it was just like, like they just could not get the momentum. Like they were, they were inching for it, but they just couldn't like, you need to probably get two or three straight scores to really have the momentum.
And they just couldn't do it. He was obsessed with that Euro step too.
When he gets to the basket, he, he, he takes like, he's, he looks like he slows down to almost half speed when he gets close. Instead of going up into the guy, he'll take two steps and just step completely around somebody, make a worse angle for his shot, make it easier to block, and usually make it tougher to get up and then not even get the opportunity to go to the foul line.
I don't know exactly what the numbers were, but it seemed like nobody shot foul shots tonight on either team. Yeah, no, they didn't.
And it it is like i know we joke about jason tatum's age but he is 24 and he will get better because like you you'd think that the prime of someone's career is probably their late 20s right like physically and their strength and everything but if he can just figure out a way to not have it he it's so bizarre watching him go to the hoop and you could say he's injured i'm just'm just going to assume that, yeah, he's a little injured, but so is everyone right now. He goes to the basket, and he avoids contact, and then he gets mad when there's no foul, even though he avoided contact.
And it's like if he can just figure out, like, I'm a big person who's got a strong frame. Like, I can just run over these people.
That might solve it also like you said hank like they just the celtics threw the ball away like it was nobody's business the last three games just as sloppy as you could be um i'll tell you if you could build an entire celtics team out of the heart of robert williams yeah al horford or al hofford as mark jackson calls him um those two guys those are the that showed up. Those are the dudes that you can win a championship with for sure.
Like if everybody played with that same level of intensity that they had, I do think that the Celtics, especially defensively, were a better team. But like you have to play a perfect game and everybody has to be turned up to 11 if you want to stop Steph Curry.
And he also played unreal defense. We know this.
I'll give them some credit. Yeah.
Well, so I wanted to talk about the words, but the last thing, like we, we, we know this every year. We learn this every year.
We forget it during the regular season. Like bench doesn't really matter in the NBA finals, in the playoffs, deep in the playoffs.
Like it does because you need like one or two guys, but guys that were really good at playing bench minutes in February, like you need, you need a five that is going to play like 42 minutes. You know what I mean? Like, it's just as bad as like Peyton Pritchard and those guys were like, if you look at, if you look at how the Warriors ended up playing like the series, I mean, Kevon Looney was, I bet on him every time, they had gary payton uh junior or the second and jordan pool like that was their bench you know what i mean those two guys coming in and playing big minutes and being impactful in like you know you need like one or two guys at most you can't be like oh yeah our bench is a strength we have we go nine deep nine deep doesn't exist in the playoffs you know jason tatum not like yeah like i i don't know why jason did it wasn't starting in the fourth quarter like that was that was insane to me yeah all right so let's let's talk about the warriors and hank you can chime in anytime you want um so fourth championship with this core like best warriors team of all time if it is hank best Warriors team, most talented Warriors team of all time.

I don't know.

Like, Steph Curry, I can't remember a guy who has the double combo

of insanely great, all-time great player,

and also seems like an all-time great dude,

where you just end up rooting for him because he just had –

are there people who truly – remember we used to do this as a bit like in 2017 we'd try to nitpick steph curry and be like yeah he's chewing on his mouth guard like that was what we could find to like be annoying about him that's how likable he is his mouth guard is big and his shoes suck that's it like that's all you got he's got he's got forrest gump uh ankle braces and it's like his parents are swingers his parents or swingers was kind of cool. That's actually you got.
He's got he's got Forrest Gump ankle braces and it's like his parents are swingers. His parents are swingers.
It's kind of cool. That's actually a plus.
But like him crying at the end and like, you know, the fact that he was able to put the team on his back and have that seminal like stamp it moment where everyone always said, oh, yeah, well, Kevin Durant, you know, was MVP for the 17 and 18. And Iguodala was MVP for 2015.
Like this was Steph Curry, like Steph Curry. And obviously we can talk about the other players, but this was Steph Curry's finals.
Besides game five, he was incredible in every game. He had 34 tonight.
He was six for 11. Like every time he had the ball, the Celtics had to scramble and freak out.
Every he wasn't on the floor you could feel it he just had that presence about him whereas like this is his stage this is his finals this is his team and to put a bow on it where like he wins the title in 15 and now wins the title in 22 it's it's crazy like he's I don't know where he's number two point guard of all time and i guess you could probably make the argument now that like people will probably argue that he's better than magic i don't know you know i'm not an nba historian but i am he is number two all time i am an nba historian and i think that what we're going to see is like he's going to be in people's conversation for the mount rushmore of nba he's not on there the problem is who do people yeah people, people are going to talk about him in there, and that's really all that matters to be in the conversation about that. Here's a crazy stat.
This is from Secret Base. The number of NBA Finals games where a player made at least six threes.
Steph Curry has 12 of them. Second place all time is Klay Thompson with four of those games.
Then after that, you've danny green with three ray allen with two and then everybody else tied with one and again steph curry has 12 of those games where he makes at least six threes it's insane and clay thompson like he's another guy where i i you know i there were definitely people who wrote him off there were people who were like he can't play in this. Like he can't play in this series.

He can't like, he's, he's cooked.

And you see like coming back from the double injury and being able to,

yeah, obviously he's not Clay Thompson. That was before those two injuries,

but he played after what game one, or maybe it was game one and two.

He played a great series.

He gave them some crazy shot making.

He played great defense.

And that also Hank to, to give you another ray of light,

Thank you. He played a great series.
He gave them some crazy shot making. He played great defense.
And that also Hank to, to give you another ray of light, the Celtics were sloppy with the ball. The Warriors played incredible defense.
Like they deserve so much credit for the defense. They played clay played great defense.
Andrew Wiggins. Like he, he, he beat Jason Tatum one-on-one like their matchup one-on-one.
Andrew Wins was better in the in these finals than Jason Tatum Steph was all over the place just a menace with his hands in the lane Gary Payton Jr. Draymond was like Draymond everyone was he was cooked he was absolutely cooked and he ended up having an incredible last few games to take them over the top so like their defense was insane Draymond's also after the game he was saying that he appreciated all the boston sports fans he was like it's a good fan base i respect you guys you guys got in my head a little bit so he he gave you guys some credit now if you had beaten the warriors i don't think that draymond would have that same he's the definition of a guy that can be like over the top classy and do you guys know anybody like that maybe on this podcast that's like super super super classy when they win to the point where it's almost insulting to you I don't know I don't know if those type of people exist in the podcast world outside of Draymond Green but uh he like went over the top thank you boss and and I will give credit to Draymond I think I asked Kirk Goldsberry I was like does Draymond suck now Is this just kind of what we're looking at? And he played really well, especially in the last two games.
Like he, he got back into being chaotic Draymond, but like still playing the game of basketball, as opposed to what we saw early in the series, which was just like, we're going to put Draymond on the floor and he's not really going to play the sport, but he's just going to go out there and piss everybody off. But it turns out that like when he gets locked in and he's focused, he's still a very capable player.
I think he would probably like he fits in perfectly on this Warriors team. I'm not going to do the thing where I'm like, if you put Draymond on a different team, if you put them on the Kings, how many titles do the Kings win? I'm not going to do that because that's not like Draymond's game, but he is the perfect piece on this Warriors team.
And there's something to be said for the people that put together the team, which is, yeah, you've got an all-time great shooter and you've got two all-time great shooters. Two of the best shooters of all time.
But still, where the game was like 10 years ago, just because you had two great shooters, that was not a guarantee that you were going to have any success whatsoever. So they kind of like reimagined the game of basketball a little bit and they kind of designed a system found players that worked for them and it's actually been a really great system that not only got them to championships but also kept them as the best team in the league for probably what how many years would you say that like the warriors have been the best team in the league when they're all healthy like i mean every year they've been all healthy yeah every single year they've been all healthy and and so i i was listening to win horse um his podcast i think it was yesterday or today and he clarified which which you know this is a lesson that we should never take you know one line from something said on sports center and be like oh like when he said the warriors are outspending everyone and what his clarification was it actually does make sense and it's like it's a good point the warriors were the worst team in basketball two years ago they had the worst they had the worst record like they won 15 games or whatever it was when everyone was injured most franchises at that point would be like all right let's bail on like let's let's basically just keep steph and we'll start shedding the parts and we'll live off legacy and like you know steph will be great and he'll have moments of greatness and that will be cool and we'll just sell merchandise for the three rings we had and that's awesome instead they're like no we're gonna go get andrew wiggins they're gonna pay kavan looney when they could have just not like all these moves that they did where they're they're basically saying, no, we're not going to shed all the parts and lose money or like shed all the money.
We're going to still spend money, even though we suck because we want to take another crack at this. And there are very few owners in all of sports that would do that.
There are very few owners that would be like, we have the worst team and we're also going to have the highest salary like they they would, that just doesn't happen. So they deserve all the credit like for that.
And it's, I mean, it's a crazy, crazy run. The fact they were able to do it with that gap of injuries and COVID is it's nuts.
And it's just a testament to how good it goes. All of it goes back to Steph.
Like he is the guy who stirs everything. And I, can I, can I say real quick, I think Steve Kerr might be a good coach.
So Steve Kerr now has nine rings. I think he probably knows the sport of basketball.
I'm willing to concede that Steve Kerr is an intelligent basketball mind. He, he did have a good moment of self-deprecation when they were like, how, what, how do you do it? He's like, I just surround myself with superstars.
It's like, yeah, good point pippen tim duncan like staff all these guys good point and then i make sure to like follow around guys like mark jackson and then clean up their mess and then i look like a genius yeah but it is i mean i so i had i had one question and hank you're gonna hate this question but in terms of like unbiased if you have no rooting interest um you know your team's not involved and and there'll probably be people who will say this is an insane statement to say just because of the kevin durant years and what he did and how mad people got do you think the warriors dynasty is one of the most likable dynasties in terms of like their q score yeah because i i know the kevin durant thing pisses everyone off, but I think and I know people don't like Draymond, but the combo of Steph, Clay and Kerr are very likable guys, right? I'm trying to think of other dynasties to compare them to and dynasties almost by their very nature are unlikable. Right, exactly.
You just get sick of the same people. Right.
So it's not like everyone loves Bill and Tom Patriots. Yeah, everyone did.
First one and the second one. It's not like I love the Warriors, but I'm just saying in terms, like you said, PFT, dynasties are meant to be unlikable.
I actually think that the Bulls dynasty was pretty like it. Yeah, the Bulls would be the...
Unless you happen to be a Pistons fan, a Knicks fan, And that's pretty much it. Maybe a jazz fan if you're one of a couple jazz fans out there.
But besides that, like America fell in love with those Bulls teams. Yeah, no, the Bulls would be the other the only other team I could think of.
Like that became the de facto team that you would root for if you didn't have a favorite basketball team that you grew up watching. Like everybody was I was a Bulls fan.
I michael jordan fan when i was a kid you're right everyone was drawn to michael jordan so that would be the one but maybe maybe the question is better like in since michael jordan in all sports because i think also we've gone like weirdly we've gone anti-dynasty more than ever because even i i know people like i people didn't like the cowboys obviously they hated the cowboys during it but it wasn't the hate that some of the dynasties now have. Do you know what I mean? It's funny because like what we do is we see teams that are like trying to build and we do the thing where we talk about their championship window.
Right. And we're like, how great can they be for a long time? And we criticize them when they do things to minimize their championship window.
And then when they maximize their window and they actually become a dynasty, we're like, these pieces of shit. I fucking hate these guys.
Right. It is very, very stupid that we do that.
But I just I was just thinking about it because maybe the question is better. Two thousand post two thousand because you're right.
I mean, like Jordan is, you know, Jordan and like he's, you know, like a global phenomenon. And like thinking back to like even I'm trying to think of like what like the Cowboys, like I said, like people didn't like it because they blew everyone out in the Super Bowl.
But it wasn't the hate that the Cowboys have. Like they got it afterwards.
During it, it wasn't the same. I actually think that, you know, we were talking about how like curry's height is a detriment uh to him sometimes when it comes to winning mvp and individual awards i actually think it makes this dynasty more likable yeah the fact that he's a small guy that's been able to do this and clay too yeah they're they're two like superstars on the team are are little guys compared to a lot of the other guys that we see like dominating the nba so it's kind of refreshing.
It's short King spring again. Right.
Like, like the Lakers of the early two thousands, like I think everyone's like, well, Shaq's just not fair. It's not fair what Shaq is doing.
He's just better than everyone. And those finals were always really like, there was no drama.
They would just kill everyone. He actually said, I've heard an interview recently that Shaq said that the finals against the nets was boring to him.
Yeah was like yeah you're it was boring to us too dude well watching watching shack play uh all of us idiots on the couch are like man if i was shack size i would be better than shack yeah that's what we all thought but with steph curry there's really no excuse he's like a pretty normal size guy and we're like that's just incredibly impressive what he's doing out there and And now I'm thinking about it. Maybe it was a bad question because I don't really hate the Spurs.
And maybe it's just like if you have enough time after a dynasty, the hatred goes away. It's in the middle.
So maybe that's really what it is. Are the Warriors one of the most likable in the middle of it? Like dynasties were like, okay.
And they also happen to play against the Cavs all the time. So they only pissed off one fan base so we should end with that hank that is the all-time spin zone steph curry now has four rings steph curry has as many rings as lebron james steph curry has as many rings as the quote-unquote goat of his era and you could even say he has more because some of us don't count the bubble ring.
So that's got to be good, right? I guess. But then does it elevate 2016? Because he's the only, he's the only team to beat a fully healthy warriors.
You were all fired up like two days ago to talk about how this NBA finals impacts LeBron's legacy legacy and now you got nothing he's got tell me he's tapped i'll tell you i need i need to i need like give me give me the offseason like what like we can't like i'm anthony davis right i got you i'm not shooting i do strictly weights for a couple months how crazy was that he said he hadn't touched a ball a basketball in two months it was hilarious i mean i dude like i was it's like it was on a it was on a nuke squad vlog like that was the funniest part can i have permission i was like i was like he's like friends with those kids because like from from from call of duty and like they're like you know they do vlogs and stuff and so he was just like hanging out with the boys and then it's classic like nba media like picks up picks it up and then two days later he's in the gym he's got lebron fucking posting like pr videos did you see that no lebron posted like a highlight reel of anthony davis like two days after all that shit happened being like he's nasty oh yeah can i get permission to squat on a take real quick because i think if i if i know my skip my main man i think i know what he's gonna say about about Steph Curry because he's always guarding against anyone approaching Michael Jordan's legacy. Once he gets a whiff of somebody like entering that conversation, Skip will start to line up all of his ducks so he can knock them all over and keep that guy.
I think I think there will be people out there that are like, yeah, they won this game, but they would have lost if it went to game seven because Steph Curry can't close out of game seven. Oh, I like that.
And special, like, I know that people are going to be like, yo, you slobbed on the, on the worst. They want a title.
We do this for every championship. That's one.
There is something like being able to close it out on the road and not needing that extra game. That is, it does feel like, holy shit.
Like that's, you know, they like that, that, that's like a professional way to win. Do you know what I mean? It's a weird thing that I count it more, even though it shouldn't count more, but it's so easy to go into game six and be like, well, we have game seven at home.
We're okay. And they went in there like, no, let's end this tonight.
Yeah. I talked to Bubba a little bit earlier because we used to do a segment on the show called parental advisory where we just get takes from dads and moms where they text you during games and they give you your sports takes.
And Bubba's dad is a, he's a big Boston guy. I think Liam, you're saying that like he used the word fucking like we use or like.
Yes. Yeah.
Constantly. So what's your dad's take? I did text him when you hit me up.
I said, what's your

thoughts on the game? And he said, we need more intensity.

Al's the only one stepping up.

Other stars aren't ready for the moment.

Exactly. Yep.
Exactly. The moment's

too big for Jason Tatum.

He nailed it. He nailed it.

Hank, do you want to do, I want to give you the opportunity

if you wanted to, for the listeners,

for the AWLs, because they'd appreciate it, to do, I want to give you the opportunity if you wanted to for the listeners for the AWLs because they'd appreciate

it to do Soggy Sorrows.

When you're in your hotel room,

just go get wet.

I know you like to get

wet, Hank. Just go get wet.

Just a little wet. Just get a little

wet. For the listeners.
Oh, he's pouring

over. Oh, that was, that was

all I had. I don't think you realize what that was.
That was Chris Bosh. What you fucking wanted, right? You got it.
Nobody photoshopped. Nobody photoshopped anything.
Don't get in your shower, fully dressed, and then come back and sit down. Fucking amen.
This isn't a yak, big cat. We've been doing soggy stars for six years on this show you guys never fucking do so i did one biggest pussies when it comes to i've done soggy sorrows too i did one all right hank i ate shit i just did it i just bukkake myself with water just a little bit more just like okay uh, please.
Let's get to the rest of the show. I mean, let's anything else, Hank? No, I just I hate myself for everything I said at the end.
Oh, yeah. Make sure you listen to Fyre Fest because Hank.
Yeah. Oh, we almost forgot.
The big night live event is canceled. Yeah.
So we're doing the stream on Sunday no canceled okay we should have Hank stream stream Sunday night baseball uh we we almost forgot most important part of our NBA recap Billy who gets your game ball for tonight oh he's been gone for hours yeah oh Yeah. Tune in for the fire fest because yeah, Billy's Billy's a shithead.
So that'll be fun to listen to. Okay.
Let's get to the rest of the show. Quick word from one of our sponsors.
Simply safe. Simply safe offers whole home protection protection for every window room and door against intruders, fires, water damage, medical emergencies, and more.
All monitored 24-7 by professionals ready to dispatch police. The experts at SimpliSafe will help you customize the perfect system for your home.
You'll customize your system with products like Entry Sensor, which alerts you when a door or window is opened. Motion sensors that's designed for high traffic areas like a hallway where an intruder would pass through.
When motion is detected, it sounds the alarm. Outdoor and indoor camera, video doorbell, water sensor, smoke detector, carbon monoxide detector, everything with SimpliSafe.
Customized by SimpliSafe to have a video doorbell. You can watch people when they come to your door.
You don't have to just stand there old-fashioned way and look through your door. The entry sensor for windows and a smoke and carbon monoxide detector, which everyone should have.
And then you can manage it all from your app, which is easy, easy to use. You can see your home, even if you're away, is secure with SimpliSafe.
You can customize the perfect system for your home in just a few minutes at simply safe.com slash PMT go today and claim a free indoor security camera plus 20% off with interactive monitoring. Go to simply safe.com slash PMT.
Okay. Stanley cup final game one, unbelievable game overtime.
I mean, this series is going to be incredible. Overtime in the first game, like lightning come out slow.
Avalanche actually, you know, rest versus rust. We got, it was decided for at least a period there that, that rest beats raw or sorry, rust beats rest.
No rest beats rust yes yes um i have to say though and i'm sorry to all of the abs fans that listen to this show i think i'm just gonna that was like the perfect setup for entering into a lightning future that was that was the altitude though in that first period yeah you know that was the uh the thin air effect I don't know. I like it.
I put my money on the Avalanche. I trust in Biz Nasty.
He's one of our greatest hockey minds here in America. So far be it for me to disagree with what he has to say in his prognostications.
But it seemed like it was like a must win in game one. As much as a must win can be in game one.
Like the avalanche went down uh one zero in the stanley cup finals that would have been bad news for him so they had to win that one burkowski with the awesome awesome finish at the very end neutral zone turnovers i don't know shit about hockey i just like to say like new neutral zone turnovers that'll get you you can't be doing that yeah you You can't. Neutral zone turnovers sticks on the ice at all times, as Eddie O has taught us.
I also, like, I loved having Whitney on when we asked about Kale McCarr because I, like, tried to actually focus on what he was talking about, and it jumped out, the fact that he was so fast and his hips opening up, and their team speed just out of this world but I think we're in for a long series like I think we're in for a very long series the lightning I even the lightning forcing that to overtime like it felt didn't it feel like when you're watching that first period it was like all right abs win game one game over lightning they've done this before, come out slow. They just finished a six-game series against the Rangers, and they came back and fought hard.
And I just, I don't know. I now like the Lightning at even juicier of a price.
I didn't bet them before the series because I was waiting for the Warriors' money to come in. Now I think I'm going to take the Lightning at like plus like plus 220 I think they're at I don't know I I just maybe it's the narrative that Whitney kind of opened us up to a little bit but the idea that the uh the lightning might be the worst back-to-back champions of all time if you look at the bubble win put an asterisk on that and then you look at them playing like maybe one of the worst Stanley Cup champion or Stanley Cup finals teams in recent memory, like last 30 years in the Canadians.
And now they finally run into a wagon in the Stanley Cup finals. That's what I'm talking myself into a little bit.
I still think that the lightning are obviously really, really dangerous. And they kind of got they got slapped awake.
They got punched in the face. And that seemed to like wake them up.
They played harder after they went down to nothing. Yeah.
So it's going to be an awesome series. I'm very excited for Saturday night.
It's also like I know this sounds stupid. It sounds like one of the things we mock where and I know the Stanley Cup final have been on NBC.
But for some reason, like it being on ABC, it's like, whoa, hockey is back. I don't know why.
I don't know. It's like you get the gold outline on it, and there's like a little bit of prestige that goes along with it.
You're like, oh, it's on Disney now. Yeah.
I don't know what it is, but it does sound like the people who are like, oh, NBA finals ratings down. I didn't like that series.
It shouldn't matter that it's on ABC versus when it was on NBC but for some reason it just felt it felt like it was like hockey is has finally come back from you know even 20 years ago when we went to the after the lockout when we went to the own oxygen network and all that bullshit yeah that was the best you know what I think it is when you see the NBC cock when you when you see the peacock on the screen you think to yourself nbc sports network i think notre dame football yeah there's but when it's hockey because you've seen so much of it on either like the olympic channel or whatever or nbc sports network when you see it on abc you're like okay now hockey might be a top five sport by the way what i just said like there's some some some executive in Stanford is listening to this and just like came everywhere. The fact that I was like, I see NBC, I think Notre Dame football, because like, you know, they all like they're all Ivy League execs.
And they're like, when we see NBC, we want you to think like rowing Olympics, Notre Dame football. Well, they're Notre Dame graduates graduates but they consider notre dame and ivy yes um all right us open real quick obviously round one uh doesn't you know not a lot to talk about round one except for the fact that max uh i think it's i think he's now in three consecutive majors led within the first 15 minutes.
Good round by him.

Rory looks good.

There's a Canadian who's leading the whole thing right now.

I tell you about Rory.

What I tell you about him, dude, he's playing some of the best golf of his career.

He beat up the bunker.

Yeah, that course showed its teeth a little bit.

It wasn't like a huge showing, but that's what the course does.

They're chumming the water.

They're getting the sharks a little too frisky.

They're going to spear the fuck out of him later. But there are some moments where you see like what this course is capable of some of the rough that they put around the bunkers is just obscene yeah it's crazy it's just like an overgrown backyard and they dug a hole put a bunker in it you'd rather be in the bunker in a lot of these places than you would be in the rough yeah and it is i mean it does look like a difficult course and uh i'm excited to watch some like the fact that there's just major golf on father's day is such a treat i'm just gonna like because that really is just such a cheat code it's like what do you want for father's day i want to be able to sit on the couch and just do nothing and watch golf and like i'm putting that i'm cashing that card in i found a great new bet that i'm doing on the 11th hole every single round i, I'm betting on my favorite golfers to make holes in one.
So like everybody that I bet on to win the tournament, I'm betting on them every morning. It's like plus 18,000 to get holes in one.
And the 11th hole is so awesome because it's like, I think it plays about 100 yards. It's longer than that.
But with the wind and it's downhill too, it plays about 100 yards. So people are like they're dotting it they're they're landing the ball like within 10 feet of the cup on most good shots and so for you have like something to look forward to once every 30 40 minutes and it's exhilarating but then you obviously lose all your bets but still i i don't i don't bet to win money i bet for the rush that i get when the ball's in the air and i think that I could win money.
Also, it's a great bet because it's the classic. All you need is one.
Yeah. Just one.
He's one Max. Max put it within four feet today.
I was pissed off at him. I was like, what the fuck, Max? Yeah.
All you need is one. We have a great interview coming up, by the way, with Bob Herrig live from the US Open talking about live golf, talking about Tiger, Tiger versus Phil, his new new book talking about who's going to win awesome interview very very good so so i i hit up max just to say congratulations after the round be like congrats on not sucking today max positive vibes only and he said that there was an awl there and he walked past them and the guy just yelled out pervert and max just started to laugh and everybody stared at the guy and was like what the fuck man but the guy was super happy with himself so if you're that awl thank you max appreciated but don't call max a pervert oh also did that um did that bet hit that the uh the guy yelled at phil yes it did what a moment did you i don't know if you saw that where they did two things on the broadcast um where they put goal posts uh on a drive which just made everyone be like football that's awesome perfect and and then someone screamed to phil phil al horford over nine and a half rebounds you know phil bet it al horford ended up with over nine and a half rebounds so great great job by that fan to just scream that out because it's like oh okay well you got to bet that now they do need to start incorporating football into other sports on tv with like the layover graphics you know how they put the fake nba finals logo on the court at uh at at uh the i guess it was on on both courts it wasn't just in boston it was also in in san francisco they need to put like yard markers on the court like Like, show me play a football game.
Like actually like show a football game on the court. If it's like a blowout, show me.
Yeah. Yeah.
At the very least, just put like the gridiron marks on there. Yeah.
Five yard segments. All right.
Last thing before we get to our interviews, reminder, Frank Schwindel and Patrick Wisdom did come in a week ago. So when we asked Frank Schwindel about pitching in games and he was like, yeah, it's fun, but I really don't want to do that anymore.
In the six days since we interviewed him, he's had to do it twice because it comes with that. I think he also gave up like three home runs.
His ERA sucks. The swing that the Yankees play, I can't remember who it was had off of him over the weekend was like, I know this sounds ridiculous to say and hear me out.
It was the most disrespectful swing I've ever seen. And I don't think I'm not one of those guys.
Like you shouldn't swing for the fences when a pitcher, when a position player is pitching, but it was such a looping Ephus and the guy swang, swung, swung, swang, swung. It's like one in the morning.
it was like a looping ephus and the guy swang swung swung swang swung it's like one in the morning it was like a straight up wiffle ball at your eyes uppercut and it was like this is just an absurd swing to have in a major league baseball game and obviously he hit it a million feet and i was like all right great so i'd really like to dive into the spin rate on on his pitches because this ephus goes like 34 miles per hour. I wonder if you're allowed to, you know how people were allowing to start J.J.
Watt as a tight end in fantasy football? I wonder if you can start Swindell as a pitcher in fantasy baseball. I might pick him up.
In the interview, he said 38 is the magic number. 38 is the magic number? Well, he was a little bit below that.
He didn't have his best stuff. Yeah.
Also, credit to him because he did say it kind of sucks because it means you're down a lot, and the Cubs have been down a lot like every fucking day. I also asked a question about a 12-game losing streak, and I think that they're two away now.
So that will also not, you know, like one of those interviews. We did it on Thursday.
We're running it on Friday. You know, things have gotten a lot worse since that interview.
But the last thing we have to talk about before we get to Bob Herrig and Frank Strindell and Patrick Wisdom, the Mike Trout Fantasy League, the famous fantasy league, Jock Peterson and Tommy Pham. Everyone knows that story by now.
It was one of the funniest stories, I think, probably in the last year in an insane twist that I just still can't really comprehend is real. our colleague, Stephen Shea, who's been on this show, he's our junior draft analyst at Barstool Sports.
Dave has entered into the league as Tommy Pham's replacement, and Mike Trout was like, I don't want to be the commissioner anymore. Can you find someone for me, Dave? And Dave has found Stephen Shea, and Stephen Shea is is now the commissioner of the mike trout fantasy football league that ended up in tommy fam slapping jock peterson what a fucking world i really think it's perfect because i i guarantee you that steven shea mainly knew mike trout as the guy that shows up to eagles games he probably he probably didn't when he'd be one of those guys that like wouldn't recognize Mike Trout in a mall PFT he knows so little about baseball Shane Bieber is in this league who won a Cy Young and he texted me on the side because because Shane Bieber was like uh Dave Dave basically was like everyone say who you are so Steven can save your numbers and Shane Bieber was like Bieber and Stevenay texted me he's like is this really justin bieber okay no i'm on football i'm on steven chay's side on that one if you identify yourself in like a celebrity league as bieber but the ball is on the ball i still still the balls on shane bieber to be like i'm the biebs that's me no he didn't say he didn't say you gotta say yes like s bieber can't say Bieber.
Also, Stephen Shea used a Vince McMahon gif maybe like 30 minutes after the story came out about Vince McMahon to announce that he was going to be the commissioner. And everyone was like, dude, what are you doing with this timing? And someone replied like, hey, do you have an extra $3 million to spare? Referencing the payment that Vince McMahon had to his secretary for an NDA.
And Stephen Shea then asked me if the buy-in for this fantasy football league was $3 million. So this is the commission of Mike Trout's fantasy football.
Shea is also the man that was asking, like, is there an Adam Schefter for politics? Yeah. And everybody was like, yeah, it's called the news, Stephen.
You can turn on the the news and he does have a twitter account dedicated just to giving him news that's not football so that guy failed him in this case i'll say this i'll say this though about say something nice about steven che i think he will be uh painstakingly detail oriented in being the commissioner of this league he's gonna he's gonna do a great job running the league but everybody's gonna hate him and that's kind of the role right he's the punching bag elon musk in his wildest dreams could not create a robot like steven che that's how good of our robot is at barstool sports he is the greatest dork robot of all time there's never been anyone like him we should give him a new. That's just a bunch of algebraic symbols.
He really is. So, uh, too, I mean, we'll have him on when that league starts.
Cause that will be just hilarious to hear what his take is. He's again, he is on a text chain with the greatest baseball player alive right now.
And he like, doesn't even like, it does not impress him whatsoever. If he was on a text chain with chain with ali marpet he would be coming himself and instead he's on a text chain with mike trout and he's like who's that guy yeah you know it's perfect that's what they need in this league though they need a completely oblivious oblivious doofus and you couldn't draw it up better than steven yeah okay let's get to our interviews we got bob harrig and then then followed by Frank Schwindel and Patrick Wisdom together in studio.
Before we get to Bob Herrig, I want to talk to you about our great friends over at Current. We love Current.
It's your last chance to try out Current and win some money. We're giving away money.
The giveaway ends tomorrow and it's free to enter. So we're partnering with Current to help give back to part of my Take listeners.
we're going to be giving away $500 to 10 random listeners who sign up at current.com slash PMT.

Go to current.com slash PMT.

Enter promo code PMT in the app for a chance to win.

We love Current.

It's so easy.

You get faster direct deposit, actually, on Current.

It rounds up on purchases, and it automatically moves extra change into your savings. Great savings tool.
They want you to get your money faster, help you move it faster and give you the tools to spend it and save it better than ever. You can get your paycheck up to two days faster.
Sometimes they have a new interest feature that helps you earn way more on your savings. And there are no overdraft fees up to $200, no minimum balance fees, and absolutely membership fees.
And remember, we're partnering with Current to help give back to PMT listeners. We're going to be giving away 500 bucks to 10 random listeners who sign up at Current.com slash PMT.
That's Current.com slash PMT. 500 bucks to 10 random listeners.
The giveaway ends tomorrow. So sign up right now.
Now, here's Bob Herrig. Okay, we now have a very special guest on.
Talk a little golf, U.S. Open, Live Tour, and his new book.
It is Sports Illustrated writer Bob Herrig, and he has a book out that will be perfect for Father's Day. We're going to run this on Friday, so I think you probably still get it by Father's Day, but you can also give your dad a receipt and say, hey, I got you this book.
It's called Tiger and Phil, Golf's Most Fascinating Rivalry. So we're going to get into that, but let's start, Bob.
Thank you for coming on, and you're at the U.S. Open right now.
We've been talking about it for the last week and a half. Are people sick of talking about the Live Tour at the U.S.
Open at this point on Wednesday of U.S. Open week? Well, I think certainly some people are, you know, and I understand why.
I mean, this has dominated the golf conversation for weeks. It's been a distraction, frankly.
It's been very disruptive, but yet I think we kind of saw that coming. And you've got 11 guys who played last week in London who are competing in the U.S.
Open, who made it here through other means, obviously. And obviously the affiliation with that new series of tournaments is highly controversial on obviously a number of levels.
You know, the funding, are they turning their backs on the PGA Tour? Is golf going through an upheaval? And here we are at one of the three biggest, or excuse me, one of the four biggest events, the majors. And this is sort of dominating the conversation.
We're not really talking that much about the golf, you know, obviously until it gets started. So, um, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's been quite, quite an experience, quite a time in golf, frankly.
So I, obviously the, uh, a lot of the controversy has been stirred up because of the affiliation with Saudi Arabia and, and the ruling family there. But it also seems like the PGA is just, they're, they're very much It could be anybody that could be luring these guys away, and the PGA would have a negative reaction towards it.
So, for example, if Mark Cuban made his own tour, or a billionaire, like Elon Musk started their own golf tour in the United States, were able to pay these guys more, I would still expect that the PGA would have a significant backlash to that, and they would accuse these guys of turning their back. So I guess my question is, if you take a very big part out of it, which is where the money's coming from, let's say that's not an objection right now, is there any expectation that these guys should have loyalty to the PGA Tour? Yeah, listen, you raise a great point.
I mean, the funding source is a convenient excuse in some circles to knock this. But even if that weren't the funding source, this would be very, very controversial.
Because the PGA Tour is the established tour, obviously, in North America for, well, 100 years. I mean, it changed names over the years.
It became what it is today in the late 60s. And this is the concept and the format they've used.
They've had basically the same rules as far as playing outside. They've tried to protect their product.
And so for guys who have come up on the PGA Tour and wanted to win the Arnold Palmer Tournament or the Bob Hope Tour know, Memorial or name any of them, the ones that have been around, you know, Colonial or, you know, Riviera at LA, there's history here. And, and, and so are they turning their backs on that, that the same angst would be there, even if the funding were from Mark Cuban, because it would be a rival.
It would be, there would be. Clearly, the ability to do both is very, very limited.
It's hard to do that. Greg Norman, the commissioner of the Live Series, has said he believes it should be additive, that you can play both.
But if you look at it, it's not that easy. I mean, these guys only play so many.
The tour does have rules about competing outside of its own events. It would be very hard for their players to adhere to those rules under the current situation.
So absolutely, yes, it would be still a huge issue. See, to me, I think that part of the equation is kind of bullshit.
I don't think that there should be that level of expectation of loyalty on the player's end because it's not reciprocated. The PGA Tour doesn't owe these guys anything either on that end.
I feel like that's the part that I think is rubbing some people the wrong way where you could make the legitimate gripes about, okay, this is sports washing. This is just a giant commercial to try to minimize some of the things that the Saudi regime has been accused of doing.
That's legitimate, but I think that they're taking it. You can see the sour grapes coming from the PGA, and I think that's rubbing people the wrong way.
I completely understand that. I get that too.
I mean, listen, what Phil said, Mickelson, back several months ago, obviously the message got lost in just sort of how over the top he was. But the PGA Tour isn't perfect, you know, and the players have for a while had some gripes.
And this whole idea of the rival league didn't just occur overnight. It seems like they threw it together overnight, given all the roadblocks they had.
But there have been talks about this going back five, six, eight years. There has been a group out there called the Premier Golf League who is still in play.
They want to partner with the PGA Tour. They want their events to become part of the PGA Tour.
But basically what happened was is the players and the agents were sold on the idea that the top PGA Tour players are not being paid for their worth. And look, I know he's an outlier, but Tiger Woods is a great example of this.

Look at all that Tiger has brought to the PGA Tour and to golf.

Sells tickets, TV rights, hospitality, some tournaments that might not sell out.

He sells them out.

But when he starts on Thursday morning, he's guaranteed zero,

just like the 100th ranked player in the world who isn't selling a ticket. And so the players have sort of gotten to this mind frame mindset like we are subsidizing the rank and file guys.
Why are we not being rewarded for our worth? And it wouldn't have taken the Saudi millions to make this happen. It would have taken some sort of a plan that might have funneled some guaranteed money to the top players, not based on performance, but just based on common sense.
And it never happened. So look, I'm not saying that they're right either.
Obviously, they're compensated very well if they play well, but that's the point. They're only compensated well if they play well.
You have to be in the top 30 in the fedex you've got to you know you've got to do this you got to do that and so this is how this all how we got to this point you know and they never bridged that gap and now the saudi group starts throwing tons of money at them and you know in some places you say god it's kind of hard to blame them what if it were you And we were offered life-changing money. Now, maybe it's not life-changing to them, but it might be to us.
And that's why I find myself very conflicted over this whole thing. It's not as cut and dried as some people want to make it.
I think that's fair. Yeah, that was a very reasonable take, Bob.
I like that because there has been a lot of people that have made it cut and dry, and there are pieces to this that are cut and dry when you want to talk about Saudi Arabia and some of the things in their past, but there are a lot of pieces that are very gray, and it's hard to decipher. So in terms of kind of bringing it towards your book, and I want to get to U.S.
Open questions in a little bit, but to your book, Tiger vs. Phil, what do you think? Do you think Tiger and Phil have had a conversation about this at all? Do you think Tiger has, because I know he was offered a lot of money.
It feels like Tiger is very, you know, at this point of his career, why would he not be totally committed to the PGA Tour? But do you think Tiger and Phil have talked about this at all? And how do you think their relationship is right now, given everything that's happened in the last few months? Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, their relationship is probably splintered a little bit more now again over this.
I asked Phil that question last week. I actually got him on the phone before he went to London.
It was the first chance anybody had to talk to him. And I asked him, have you

spoken to Tiger about any of this or any of your peers? And he didn't answer it directly, which suggested to me he has not. We asked Tiger about it at the PGA last month.
He said he had not spoken to Phil, but he came out very clearly. Now, listen, he didn't rip Phil because I think deep down Tiger shares some of the same concerns that Phil has.

You know, Tiger over the years has wondered about his media rights. And look, in all sports, no player gets to have their media rights.
But if anybody was going to benefit from something like that, it would have been Tiger. You know, I'm sure he feels some of the same tiger was asked about saudi arabia in 2019 when a bunch of guys are signing up to go play over there and tiger's answer i'm paraphrasing was look i understand the political ramifications of this but you know years ago i started going to dubai and golf isn't big in the middle east when i first went there there was three was three skyscrapers in Dubai and now it looks like New York city and golf has grown.
So maybe if they do this, maybe golf will grow in Saudi Arabia. So he wasn't exactly dumping on the idea that the murderous regime shouldn't, shouldn't have any, any ability to form a golf tour.
But in this case now, he brought up legacy. And it's a great point,

but especially if you're Tiger. These guys compare themselves to the past.
I mean, are we going to keep track of live events and how many wins you have and how much money? And I bring up the example all the time. Back in the day, the USFL, there was a lot of great players that they picked off and didn't go to the NFL.

Herschel Walker, Jim Kelly, Steve Young.

I don't think, I'm pretty sure that Herschel records, rushing records, didn't transfer over to the NFL when he came over. Like, it's almost like it was dismissed as like an exhibition.
How will these live events go? They might be compelling at some point, but where will they rate? So that's Tiger's stance.

And so, yes, to answer your question, long-winded, I'm sorry, Tiger and Phil are not on the same page

on this one. And, you know, it might've driven another little bit of a wedge through them,

which is kind of interesting to me, given that I spent all this time piecing together the kind

of the intersection of their careers and how they, you know, they were really against each other. And then they kind of had a little bit of a coming together and now they might be apart again.
Yeah. I mean, you get to write another chapter, which is nice.
I need to, they need to, if there's a paperback, I could add probably, you know, God, three or four more chapters. I mean, look, even Tigers comeback this year was unexpected.
You know, that was, we, when there was – what kind of odds could you have gotten on January 1st that Tiger Woods would play the Masters and the PGA and Phil Mickelson would not? Yeah, crazy. Yes.
So, you know, it's just – it's been wild, and obviously they're still incredibly relevant. And back in the day, I remember people used to talk, you know, in the mid-2000s about the Tiger Tour, the possibility of a tour that would be just based around Tiger Woods because he was at one point bigger than the game of golf.
He was the biggest draw, so he could have splintered off himself easily. So I feel like to some extent he does have a loyalty to the PGA Tour because he had the opportunity and turned it down.
In honesty, this is why the Tour has its rules about having to get releases to play in opposite events. If you recall when Tiger and Phil had their match in Vegas in 2018, the PGA Tour had to sign off on that because they own the media rights.
If a player is going to be televised playing golf, they have to get permission to do it. And the tour even got a cut of that.
That's how their system is set up. I think they had to be paid a million dollars.
And the reason they do that is what would keep Tiger and Phil from doing that 10 times a year? We would probably all tune into that 10 times a year, certainly back in the day. And yet that would harm the PGA Tour's product which is why they have rules so your book um which it sounds fascinating because there's two guys that are probably the most interesting guys in golf in the last 30 years uh tiger versus phil what is the story that best sums up each guy and who they are and and you know the story that maybe they you know that they interacted together it's like that's tiger that's phil you know without giving the whole book away sure well i'll give you three quick examples after an introduction the first chapter of the book is about the 2004 rider cup and any any golf geek's going to remember that that was the rider cup where they were paired together as partners for the only time in their Ryder Cup history.
They played the first day together, two matches, lost them both. The U.S.
got smoked. Tons of criticism.
And the gist of it was, they just were not at a point at that time where they were going to be very collaborative as partners, even though they were playing for the same U.S. side.
And there's story after story about how the body language suggested that they didn't want to be together. And even though they said the right things before, it didn't work out.
And Hal Sutton lost a lot of, you know, he lost a lot of sleep over that. He got criticized.
He was the captain. It actually impacted his career.
It's pretty amazing to think that something like that could have such a huge impact. And then I'll give you two quick stories about each guy.
Phil, way back in the day, 1998, played a rare practice round with Tiger before the LA Open. In fact, they didn't play a practice round together for 20 years after this.
Phil, as it's sort of fitting given the current climate, had a match with Tiger. They had a phil won he won five hundred dollars so tiger pays him off in five one hundred dollar bills now phil not being content with the bragging rights and the money decided to take a picture of those five hundred dollar bills and he wrote a note on it dear tiger these benjis are very happy in their new home thanks phil and

he put in his locker now i don't think that went over real well with tiger phil over the years has

loved telling that story and he always tells it with sort of an affection though for tiger in

which he says look he's got the bragging rights on me but i got that on him right all right so

you know is that really egregious no but it does kind of say something i mean tiger there's no

Thank you. He's got the bragging rights on me, but I got that on him.
All right. So, you know, is that really egregious? No, but it does kind of say something.
I mean, Tiger, there's no way Tiger liked that. And Tiger was never big about playing betting games in practice rounds.
He always kind of did his own thing. Phil was huge with that.
I've got to have a whole chapter on that. Some of those gambling stories are really fun.
And then the Tiger side of it, in 2002, at that point, Tiger had won two majors that year to run his total to eight. At the PGA Championship, he's in contention again.
He's playing in the group in front of Rich Beam and Fred Funk. Tiger's playing with Justin Leonard.
Beam has a fairly big lead going into the back nine. In fact, he led by six at one point.
But coming down the stretch, Tiger birdied the last four holes. And to make it interesting, and Beam had to sweat it out.
Beam has not won since. You know, that was a huge moment in his career.
And he needed to make a bogey on the last hole to win. And he kind of shook in a short putt to get the bogey and win by only one and tiger and fred funk were in the scoring area afterward watching this on tv they had signed their scorecards and were waiting for them to finish and when he hold the putt tiger stood up and said he gave a fist pump and he goes yes and fred funk looked at him like you know three heads.
And he said, Tiger, what are you doing?

He won.

There's no playoff.

He won.

He just made that putt.

That's a five, not a six.

He goes, Tiger.

Tiger said, I know.

I don't care.

He goes, that's Rich Beam one, Phil Mickelson zero.

And he walked out of the room. I mean, so Tiger sort of relished back in that day keeping Phil down.
That tells you he knew how good Phil was. And, you know, listen, that played into that Ryder Cup in 2004, frankly.
That year, Phil finally won a major. He won the Masters and contended in all four majors.
Tiger contended in none of the majors that year. And, you know, he was a little bit in the point where he was searching for his game and and so he he was looking at phil now as more of a threat and and he wasn't going to sit there and help him read putts or help him with his chipping or putting or driving you know and that's just sort of the dynamic of those guys back at that time they were that competitive that's awesome what a great story it speaks to kind of the attitude around the tour towards phil and ph has always been a love him or hate him, sometimes at the same time kind of guy.
I don't know how many of our listeners are familiar with his nickname, Fig Jam, that the other players used to call him. Do you know the origin of that nickname and who came up with it or if you want to explain that to them? You know, I certainly know what it stands for, um and and it it just i i think it got it it came up like through the gallery one time and somebody overheard it and it's and it kind of stuck uh but you know the first three letters what they stand for and then it's just just ask me and yeah phil had a reputation of of uh um you know the smartest guy in the room and that rubbed some people the wrong way you know and and this is not just golf this was everything like any kind of topic Phil was the expert you know and sometimes it was eye-rolling type stuff and you know I don't know I might be one of the two one of the few guys that had found way to appreciate them both.
Like I was never for one against the other type of thing. I always just liked them both in terms of what they've done.
But you could see why people took sides. Yeah.
You know, and Phil was the guy who signed autographs, waved, thumbs up, looked you in the eye. He was personable, the people's favorite.
I think that bug tiger, that was sort of like Jack and Arnie back in the day. You know, Jack was the better player, but people loved Arnold.
Tiger, better player, people loved Phil. But then there was a bunch of people who thought, oh, that's a bunch of BS coming from Phil.
You know, you know, why doesn't he win more, you know, this, that or the other. And they appreciated the champion tiger.
So that's all part of the dynamic of this rivalry. And obviously the numbers don't suggest a rivalry.
But as I tried to point out, and as I made very clear to Phil a couple of times when he was leery about another book about him, I said, I'm making you look good, man. Your record, it might not compare to his, but who else's does?

It's better than anybody else's, and you took him on pretty well, and you stood above everybody else for 20-some years. And, of course, winning the PGA at age 50, it's amazing.
We're not talking about that still because of all this other stuff. He won the PGA Championship.
He outdid Tiger in that regard. Yeah.
You know, so it's – anyway, I found it fun to dig into it and lost a few brain cells trying to put it all together. Yeah, you are right, though.
He is in the conversation just by, you know, being in the book and being the guy that people remember as the second guy in Tiger's era of dominance. Now, the U.S.
Open now, you're there live. We are huge course guys.
We just love the course. We root for the course.
I've seen some videos where the fairways look daunting, the greens are insane. Where would you say this ranks up there with other U.S.
Open courses? Because this is our favorite tournament of the year because they make it so that it's as difficult as possible. Do you think it's going to be that hard and scores being closer to zero than minus six, seven, eight? I don't think it'll be like winged foot or Oakmont tough where typically right around par wins or sometimes over par wins at those venues.
you know last year tory pines was was much harder than people thought it was going to be you know they have a way of toughening things up obviously winged foot two years ago where bryson won he was the only guy under par he beat he won by six shots he was six under but everybody else was par or worse yeah but No fans at that one. There's no fans.
So asterisks. Yeah, bubble.
Doesn't count. Not a true major.

Doesn't count with no fans. I think this one will be a little tamer, but not much.
I think it's going to be very hard. It's 7,200 yards par 70.
That's not short, although it's not a bomber's course. I think there's some places where it cuts off and you can't just kill it with a driver.
Rory talked the other day about you having to be strategic. There's going to be some places you're going to have to lay back.
It really is a cool, old-school design. The reason they don't come here more often is because it's a small footprint.
It's in a neighborhood. There's a lot of hassles trying to stage such a big tournament.
They figured out a way to do it, which is great because this course has tons of history. You know, only three U.S.
Opens, all playoffs. You know, probably the win that put U.S.
golf on the map back in 1913 was Francis We Met. He sort of sparked interest in golf in the U.S.
And, yeah, I'm excited about it because I think the course is really cool and has a lot that we're going to appreciate. So who would you say is, if you were a betting man, if you were Phil Mickelson, who would you put your money on going into this weekend? And I'm going to give you a couple options.
Brooks Koepka, Will Zalatoris, Max Homa. All three of them have a strong chance? Well, the reason I'm not keen on Brooks, and look, you say this and you cringe, right? Because he's so good in majors and he gets up for these things.
And he has played well in majors when it didn't seem like he could. But he's not been really solid lately know he just got married he hasn't played I don't think he's played since the PGA championship where he didn't play all that great you know and before that he he wasn't good uh you know he's not really been solid lately he's been dealing with injuries again and so I'm not so sure about him I like Zalatoris because he's going to always be better on a hard golf course because he's not a great putter.
And this is – if you can two-putt it to death at a U.S. Open, you're going to be up there because it's not going to be that much under par.
And, you know, he hits it long and he's got a good iron game. If he can make a couple birdies on par fives and stay away from the bad stuff sure why not max homer he's look he's he's been trending in the right direction now for a while he's he's sort of starting he's on the cusp of establishing himself as you know one of the top 15 players 10 players in the world he's been knocking on that door with some really good golf and and now he needs to kind of take that step in a major and contend in a major.
Yeah. That was such a funny spin zone that you had for Will Zalatorre.
But it makes sense. He has a lot of practice two-putting.
And two-putting is what you need at this tournament. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, you know, that's what's keeping him from winning some of these other events because they're birdie contests.
You've got to make, you know, six, eight birdies a day. And, unfortunately, he's not making enough putts.
But here, you've got to make the short ones when you're trying to get it up and down. But if you hit it to 30 feet all day in two putt and maybe get one or two to drop, you're going to always be in good shape in a U.S.
Open typically because guys are going to miss greens, and hitting a lot of greens is not that easy, and it's not a birdie fest. Yeah, I'm going to bet on Will now because of that.
All right, so Bob, this has been great. I have one last question for you.
It's the Roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Use promo code TAKE.
You're 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, hoodies, polos, some great golf gear.
So who would be your pick right now for this U.S open by the way everyone go buy bob's book tiger and phil um you basically made a father's day book i i know that like i can't imagine a book will ever sell better than uh tiger and phil right around father's day so kudos to you on that but who would be your pick maybe you have two guys that're looking at. They're playing the best golf.
This course suits them well. Who would that be? Well, I'm sorry to be kind of obvious, but Justin Thomas, to me, seems a good pick right now.
I mean, I think it's actually good he didn't win last week. It gives you just that little extra bit of motivation, and you don't get complacent because you're coming off a win.
And look, he did the same thing last month. He played really well at the Byron Nelson in Dallas the week before the PGA.
He was a little bit annoyed that he didn't get that done. He had gone to Southern Hills during the Byron Nelson week to get a scouting trip in.
Comes in, obviously had a big comeback on Sunday, but he did the job did the job. He played great the first two days.
Bad Saturday. Really good Sunday.
Wins in the playoff. Then here, same thing.
He played the country club last week before going to the Canadian Open. Got a practice round in here.
Played great at the Canadian Open. Didn't win.
He was almost shot for shot with Rory on Sunday. Just kind of had a mess up there on

17, which cost him. But still,

finished third. Tony Finau was in the

mix. And I got to believe he's

feeling really good about his game, and he wants

to capitalize. Okay.

I love it. I like it.
Yeah, so what's

the scouting report on the fans that are

going to be there? Because anytime we have

a U.S. Open or a major tournament

in Long Island, you always get the, oh, this is going to be a crazy, drunk atmosphere a U.S. Open or a major tournament in Long Island,

you always get the, oh, this is going to be a crazy drunk atmosphere. What's the scene like

up there? I have a feeling it'll be similar. These guys are into it.
Now, there's been some

concern about heckling of the live guys, especially Phil. Boston fans known to be tough.

They're tough, obviously, on the Celtics,. Excuse me, on the Warriors and the basketball.
But that's because that's their team, you know, that they're rooting against, right? Whereas in golf, it's not quite the same. Now, they were off the charts bad here during the Ryder Cup that was played here in 99.
You know, there's a lot of stories written about the abusive behavior they gave the European guys. Like in other words, they deserved it.
They did, but it crossed the line. I think, you know, there's a line, right? That's what the Ryder Cup is.
Do I expect that here? No, but I expect them to be very rowdy, very boisterous. I think they'll really get into it.
It'll be a fun atmosphere. Awesome.
I have one last, last question, because you mentioned some of the gambling that takes place during practice rounds. You don't have to name names, or if you want to name names, that's fine too.
Have you heard of a player in a major tournament, or I guess in an actual tournament, that's betting against their playing partner during the third, fourth round? I've never heard anything like that, and that would be highly illegal, frankly.

They're not supposed to bet on the competition.

It's more about their own practice round gambling.

I do have a story, though, that's in there, too, that's about Phil that's kind of funny.

It goes way back at a British Open.

Him and a guy named John Houston.

John Houston's probably 60 now playing Champions Tour golf, but John Houston won seven or eight times on tour, was known as a birdie machine, and him and Phil teamed up a lot. They were practice round bandits on Tuesdays.
They took a lot of cash off the guys. Well, one year there at the British Open, for whatever reason, they were on the opposite sides, and Houston played great and really blitzed Phil.
He played phenomenally in a practice round leading up to the British Open, and Phil thought to himself, you know, there's no way he can keep that going. No chance.
So he went into a legal booking shop in Scotland and placed money on Houston to miss the cut, which he did. And then Phil relished telling Houston that I bet on you to miss the cut.
And to this day, because I interviewed John Houston for the book, he said, man, that hurt. Yeah.
It was bad enough that he bet against me, but then he rubs it in. And he said, to this day, he'll rub it in.
Oh yeah you know it's bad enough that he that he that he bet against me but then he like rubs it in and he said to this day he'll rub it in oh you know so that's kind of like that's an example of betting against somebody right but it wasn't to my knowledge in the tournament you know itself like he went and did that away from the event that's a great story and uh there's many many more in bob's book tiger and phil uh buy it now it's out it's the perfect father's day gift bob we really appreciate your time and uh have fun this weekend at the u.s open thanks a lot guys i appreciate you having me we're gonna get right back to the show all right back to part of my take and now now for something completely different. All right, we now welcome on very special guest.
It is Patrick Wisdom, Frank Schwindel. It is Schwisdom from the Chicago Cubs in town, in studio.
Very excited for you boys to be here. I'm upset that we didn't get Schwisdom shirts.
I guess we should start there. You guys are the greatest duo the Cubs have ever had, I would say.
For sure. Like, sometimes they'll be like, oh, the sequel isn't as good as the original.
Well, Brizzo's out, Schwizdom's in. It's like Top Gun Maverick.
You guys surpassed what was already an impressive feat. Do you guys, I mean, is it weird when people walk around being like, Schwizdom, let's go.
I mean, you guys did do the back-to-back in two consecutive days this year. So you guys are lockstep, right? Oh, yeah, for sure.
It's a lot of fun. Every time – like if he hits before me, which he usually does, he'll let a homer comes around home and I'm on deck and he's like, all right, your turn.
Let's go for it. Yeah.
Who came up with Schwisdom and why not Fratrick? Ooh, I don't know about that one. Fratrick Schwisdom would be good.
Fratrick Schwisdom. Was it Joe Obvious that came up with it? Or, I don't know.
Dempster? Maybe. But I don't know if I can claim half that yet.
I still get the We Want Rizzo chance over there. Yeah.
We're working on it. So, like, how does that actually, like, affect you? Because I would imagine that, like, Rizzo, obviously, everyone loved Rizzo, right? So you understand that you're kind of stepping into an unfillable void.
You'll never be, like, you have to be yourself. You can't try to, like, replicate what he did.
Like, does that affect you when you first got in there? No, not at all. I mean, I knew, knew like I said if I was half as good as him I think it'd be a win you know win some fans over here and there but uh no he's some tough shoes to fill but you know just having fun with it what are you what are you gonna say to him when you're because you guys are here to play the Yankees so you're gonna get the first base and what what's the first line you're gonna say maybe maybe something like were they really that cheap with you like they really don't know maybe say that for me it's like big cat wanted me to know uh were they really that cheap with you i would lighten the mood yeah absolutely no but yeah i'm i'm not too mad about him leaving you yeah right he pursued this opportunity and let me uh get a chance yeah so so you guys are similar in that you're both,

is it fair to say grinders because you were in the minor leagues

for a long time and came up and had your start in Major League Baseball,

your breakout a little bit later in your career?

I know we had you on last year, Patrick,

but going from last year to this year, were you like,

oh my God, this is kind of comfortable.

I actually get to do this again.

Like I'm not going to have to move cities. I'm not going to have to like go everywhere.

Like I'm playing for the Cubs again.

Yeah.

There's an aspect of that.

But like when I went to spring training, I still didn't know like, hey,

I was going to be the third baseman.

And then the staff was like, what are you like?

Yeah.

You're the guy.

You're the guy.

So I was like, really?

And they're like, you didn't know that. Like, well, I've just never been in a position to like think that way or like know that so i went in knowing like hey i gotta fight for this spot again so yeah um there is yeah some aspect of comfortability and um like knowing your way around now for sure yeah and frank you were your middle seat frank oh yeah so we to talk about that story.
So as it goes, I wouldn't think everyone knows this story,

like is keeping up on the Cubs, but Frank got sent down to AAA.

The Cubs were out on the West Coast.

This was, what, a month ago?

And a couple injuries, whatever, needed you to come back up,

and you had to get there any way you could, and you were sitting middle seat.

And a reporter, I think, was like,

I'm on the same flight as Frank Schwindeli sitting middle seat what what airline was it uh american i think okay i think it was like 23b or something okay i was back there yeah so you were and you were just were there other people noticing you or so a couple people in the airport were you know wanted selfies or saying what's up or yeah get back soon stuff like that i was like yeah don was like, hey, don't say anything. I'm starting tonight.
They're like, oh, that's cool. They obviously didn't believe it.
But then I got to the gate where it was going to San Diego. There's a couple people looking.
And then my buddy sent me that tweet when I was sitting down. I'm like, oh, here we go.
So you can explain that away, though. That to me just screams that you forgot to check in for the flight.
So you were like one of the last people to check in. Or did you buy that intentionally? No, that's what they got me with.
Oh. Because it was the only flight that would make it in time for the game, and I think there was three seats left, and that was the closest middle seat.
Okay. Right.
To the front. Right.
So are you thinking to yourself, like, I guess it's a – I saw your quotes after, like, there's no bad days in the big leagues, which is awesome. Right.
But are you thinking to yourself, like, you're – like, I guess it's – I saw your quotes after, like, there's no bad days in the big leagues, which is awesome. Right.
But are you thinking to yourself, like, I'm not even first – like, if it were, let's just say Anthony Rizzo, and that happened to him, I would say he probably gets a private plane from the Ricketts, I would guess. I would imagine.
So we got – that's what we're working for. Hey, that's fine.
I said I would have rode in the toilet to get there. But it's just a crazy couple hours there.
It sucks, though, to get spotted middle seat and then get, like, narked on. It's like there's nothing you can do.
It's like, yeah, it's middle seat. Oh, yeah, just got to wear it.
You know, knees pressed up against the back seat. And, yeah, just just wear it it's actually good perspective because i

think just about 100 of the population would actually ride in a toilet if it meant that like you get to start in a major league baseball oh absolutely yeah that's that's that's good to like have that perspective in mind to be like okay yeah you know it's kind of embarrassing to get called out on this but at the end of the day i'm playing the show right right back to the show. Now, also that game, or maybe the game after, I want your guys' take on the balls this year.
Oof. Yeah.
So I would guess from hitter's perspective it's brutal because you had the bases loaded warning track power, which was there's been moments where I've watched baseball this year and been like, that should be a home run. What the hell do they do the balls? Do you guys notice it like day to day? I think there's definitely a difference.
You can, you know, just feel them. But then, you know, some days the 98 exit VLO goes out and then some days the 103 stays in.
So it's, I mean, part of the elements as well. But, you know, it's just something to think about.
It's crazy. Are they switching them up, Patrick? Because I feel like, too, like there's maybe like last weekend or the weekend before, I was like, oh, I think they switched the balls this weekend.
Like everything's going out. I think they've like secretly been like switching in some good balls because certain games like on certain times.
I don't want to say anything specific. Primetime yeah you'll see like a lot more homers yeah or a lot of hard hit balls and uh they're going out of the park can you feel it off your bat does it have a different feel yes and no like sometimes like there's balls that we hit and we're like oh it's gone and then next thing you know it's caught and you're like wait what like the years past that ball's you know 10 rows deep usually so and I think early on it's tough to tell in Chicago with the yeah the weather and the weather but uh yeah some of them you're like man that should have went and you know they're camped under it like uh we had a late game Hayward hit one like 105.6 that got caught at the track we're like how's that even possible yeah can you can you tell like in batting practice when it's going to going to be a good ball night? Ooh, I don't know if those balls are the same because some of them are clearing the street easy across Waveland.
And then, yeah, I don't know. They keep you guessing.
They drop their balls on you last minute. Yeah.
When the lights come on. Do you guys obsessively check the wind at Wrigley? I mean, I do as a better.
And just because I'm like,, you can tell the minute you see the line open, and it's like, oh, it's 12, and you're like, that makes – oh, yeah, okay, the wind. So when you know it's a good wind day, you're like, I got to eat today.
I got to get something up in the air and just let it go. For sure.
Yeah, absolutely. Those are the days you got to get something in the air.
You can't have anything more than one ground ball or something, but – It's the opposite effect of our good friend Dan Heron, who pitched for half a season at the Cubs, and he obviously pitched a long time in Major League Baseball, but he was like, whenever the wind was blowing out, I would just try to call in sick and not want to be there. He has a shoulder.
Yeah, right, exactly. I don't want to play today.
I feel like we need to talk about what happened last time you were on this show, Patrick. Okay.
Because I've a bone to pick with you. All right.
Do you know where I'm going to go with this? I have a feeling, but I'll let you. We asked you specifically if you respected 90.
Oh. And I'm a big fan of the guys that sprint to first base after a walk, like the real try-hard guys.
Oh, yeah. It's very funny to me to watch like David Eckstein, like sprint down the first baseline.

Um,

and you said that you respected 90 and you said the next time you drew a

walk,

you would sprint to first base.

You'd hustle.

Well,

we watched you,

you,

you drew a walk and then you just kind of lackadaisically trotted down the

line.

You completely forgot about your promise to this podcast.

If you have a good explanation for it, I'd love to hear it. But if not, we might have an issue.
Yeah. I forgot about this.
It's a problem. We were all very disappointed.
It's a big problem. Because we watched the game.
We went out of our way to watch you play in this game. Yeah.
And we saw you get the walk. And we could not believe it.
We were sitting in this room, our jaw's on the floor.

Yeah, I'm sorry about that letdown because I realized when I got to first base that I didn't sprint and I was going to let you guys down.

I really hope they're not watching this game, and maybe they'll catch my next walk.

But then I got ball four, and it just went right over my head.

So hold on.

Are you saying that when you're in the batter's box in Major League Baseball, you're not thinking about us? Is that what you're saying? No. Because that's fucked up.
If it was a full count, yeah, definitely not. I was trying to think about some tivity and just.
What the hell? Why aren't you thinking about us? But I did get to first, and I'm like, oh, shoot. Yeah.
Should have sprinted for the guys. All right.
Well, you have a redemption. We're not going to run this probably until next week, so maybe the day after it runs.
Hopefully I can get a couple walks in. Yeah, Frank, maybe you can help us out, maybe sprint.
We just want to sprint to first base. Do you want me to do anything when I get to first? No, just sprint.
I just want to see somebody run to first base after a walk. Yeah, just respect 90.
Respect 90, yeah. I'll give you one.
I don't walk much, so I'll celebrate every walk. I'll give you a hard 90.
Not enough people pimp their walks. Yeah.
Yeah, I'll give you one. Yeah, exactly.
A backflip maybe and then run. Give us a quick sprint.
All right, so Frank, I have this kind of a weird question for you. So you're wearing regular clothes now.
You look like a regular person. Do you realize, though, sometimes when you put on the uniform and especially you do the thumbs up, you look like a regular person do you realize though sometimes when you put on the uniform and especially you do the thumbs up you look like uh like somewhere between like an accountant and a little league player okay do you do you know that you have that look like there's times when i watch you like do something awesome i'm like how is this guy doing it because you have i don't know you have like an unassuming look to you i mean it's gone right now.
It might just be when you put the cap on. Do you know you look goofy sometimes? I know now.
Okay, shit. I'd hope someone else had told you.
Yeah, I just don't have Twitter because, you know, a lot of negative stuff on there. But I'll see all the good ones through my buddies and stuff like that.
And, yeah, I've realized I'm pretty goofy out there there and i think it's relatable in a way but big time people are like how the hell is he a big league player it's not a bad thing yeah no i think it's the thumbs up it's really when you do the thumbs up because it's like you it's almost like a surprise that you hit a home run and even though you're in the big leagues and you do the thumbs up it's like it looks a little bit like our our co going to have you go meet him. Yeah.
See that one? Yeah, like that one where it's like you look pretty – You look like an accountant who had like two wine coolers at the Christmas party. Yeah.
You're like, eh, karaoke. Right as I'm hitting the dance floor, yeah.
But at the same time, you look like you're experiencing the fact that this is very cool that you just hit a home major league baseball. Oh Baseball.
Yeah, you know, some guys hit them and, you know, I have a straight face around the bases. Not for me.
I'm enjoying every second of that. Yeah, I love the enthusiasm.
It's, like, infectious. Because when you get a big hit or a big play, I'm, like, sitting watching being like, when is he going to do the thumbs up? When is he going to point to the dugout? Like, this is going to be awesome.
So I think there's a lot of people in my shoes who are thinking the same thing. I got to keep it going now.
Yeah, absolutely. Keep the big hits rolling.
All right, so you guys played, like I said, we're going to run this next week, but you were in Baltimore last night, rain delay postponed. What do you do in the dugout for that many hours? Is there like, I'd imagine in my mind it's like, oh, you just sit there for three hours and bust each other's balls, but I would imagine that gets probably old after a while.
Like, what happens during a delayed game in MLB? I mean, we were playing cards, snacking. Jason Hayward tried to give a speech.
That would be funny if he did that. It's like, all right, guys, we're going to beat the Orioles and we're going to only be 10 games under .500.
Not that, but he was saying stay ready. He was convinced we were starting around 10.
He was dressed the whole time, and he said he's seen it all on the East Coast. Do you have to watch what snacks you're eating before a game? No.
The nutritionist is hanging around over there, but we can pretty much sneak anything by. Just candy? Yeah.
have, like, a set pregame meal? I know that Wade Boggs had, like, a rotation of different chicken dishes that he would have. He would eat – I think he had five different chicken dishes, and he would just cycle through them like a maniac, you know, throughout the entire season, never varied on anything.
Is there anything specific that you have to eat before a game? Not me, no. I'd say if, you know, an 0 for 4, I'm not going to eat the same thing.
That's the only thing. So, like, some stuff is just out for good.
What if you go, like, 5 for 5? Oh, then you've got to repeat it. Are you wearing, like, the same underwear? 100%.
Everything? Yeah. Everything? Not showering? No, you've got to shower.
You've got to shower? Yeah, you could wear close to the field. Were you getting rid of all the good sweat, then? I know.
You might be right. You might be honest.
If I went 5-for-5 in a Major League Baseball game, I would go back to the clubhouse, and I would just sit there. And I'd be like, okay, I'm not touching.
All night until the next game? Yeah, yeah. I'd be like, I'm not touching anything.
Whatever happened today is good. I don't want to screw it up.
Yeah. So, Patrick, you changed your bat, too.
Like, what changed? Can you explain it to dumb people who are, like, a bat to bat? It's, like, at the bottom of the hands, right? Yeah, I have that, like, big knob now. I saw some other good hitters do it.
So you can get a bigger and heavier bat but not affect, like, the feel because the weight's below your hands, so you don't necessarily feel it in your swing got it yeah and is it's helped a lot yeah so you're supposed to hit the ball harder which i've been doing and um do you guys go look at like exit velocity where you're like that should have been a hit that would drive me insane if you can go and do you see that i mean frank you know at Wrigley, they have it on the scoreboard. So, like, as soon as somebody hits it, like, two seconds later, everyone, like, checks to see.
Like, how hard did he hit that? Yeah, how hard was that in, like, the launch angle and stuff. And it has distance.
What's the hardest you guys have hit a ball that wasn't out? I had a 112 and change in Colorado last year.

What?

Just right at the left fielder.

In Colorado?

Anything with launch is way out, but I was just shaking my head the whole way back.

That was tough to look at.

Yeah, that's got to be so frustrating.

When we had you on last year, Patrick, we talked about Jacob deGrom and how much it sucked to face him.

Who's the guy that you've played this year?

Either of you guys can answer this.

That is just like, well, this fucking sucks. Who's got, like, the nastiest stuff? We're stuff guys.
We like to talk about stuff. I'd say Corbin Burns owns me and Zach Gallin.
I think I'm one for 20-something combined off those two. And is it? Just nasty.
What is it that he, like, what pitches give you the most problem when you're facing him like that? Off Burns, everything looks the same out of the hand. I know he's got them a couple times, but to me it's the high-velocity cutter with the stuff moving off that big slider, curveball to get you off it.
Just out of the hand, everything looks the same, so you're swinging and sometimes it's not there. Have either of you guys gotten into the game going back to your minor league career as a pitcher? All pitching? Yeah, have you ever? I always love that at the end of blowouts when they send something.
I threw the other day. He threw the other day.
Yeah. Got two quick outs and then let up back-to-back homers on back-to-back pitches.
61 miles per hour, isn't it? Is that something that you had ever planned for? Like i get into the game here's here's my strategy well i was planning on like throwing some knuckle balls because i you know i mess around with it pre-game all the time and uh i got on the mound and they were just terrible i might have been nerves or i don't know a bad ball or something but uh yeah the humidity was off you need a certain it needed to be fall weather i said scrap that webing it in there and it didn't work. And I think the last pitch I threw was 38 and Bader popped it up.
So that might be the magic number. Yeah.
38 miles per hour. Yeah.
That's a hell of a changeup. I would just throw Ephus.
Yeah, every time. Yeah, just throw it like a lollipop.
Yeah, but it was fun. But hopefully I don't have to do that again.
What was the feeling? Go ahead, Meeps. You know, after the batter hit the ball and it's going over your head and you know it's a home run instantly? Did you even think about doing the thing where you hung your head? Or were you like, you know what, this is kind of what they expected out of me.
It was funny. I was shaking my head because I got the two quick outs.
I was like, ah, maybe it's going to be a lucky day. And then first pitch, I think Dickerson was the first one that got me and then uh new bar got me the second two pitches to some some damage real quick but yeah you know i think it was it was efficient three outs and two homers on 10 pitches oh that's the boys off the field yeah you gotta preserve the arm for the next day in case they need you again yeah but it was fun if you're out in the field do you have a like a specific person that you know that you're going to throw the ball to at the end of the inning? Do you ever pick out a kid? You're like, okay, that kid's getting the ball.
They're cheering hard. It looks like their first time at the ballpark.
Or do you just throw it in there indiscriminately? So my new strategy was I had to win some fans over when I got over there. So every warm-up ball I'll throw into the crowd.
So that's a good question. So sometimes I'll pick them out in advance.
Sometimes I'll throw it away from a section that I don't think they're going to have any chance of catching it. Yeah, I like that.
You're like going door-to-door every fan. Some people that ask, they'll get one.
Yeah, so the people that are chanting for Rizzo will be like, okay, I'm going to give that guy a ball.

Oh, yeah.

And they're going to love me from now on. Yeah, we'll see who you're cheering for after the game.

That's smart.

Yeah, that's smart.

Or give a ball to that person's kid,

and they're going to reluctantly have to become a Schwindel guy.

Yeah, you've got to win them over.

It's brilliant.

Yeah, so yeah, sometimes I'll pick them out,

and sometimes, you know, just wing it.

There was a – we were in Milwaukee, and I – the ball in between i just threw it over the stand or over the net indiscriminately and i i just saw the ball travel right to this guy wasn't paying attention doink round and then like brewers fan brewers fan got around top of the head and they were like all attending to him and they just put like cold beer around the top of his head. Oh, his head, yeah.
Do you ever respect a fan that makes a really sick catch on a foul ball? Absolutely, yeah. You ever give them a round of applause? Yeah, a round of applause.
Do you guys should be in the game? I don't know about that. We're getting on the video board.
Yeah, we're hoping that basically what we're saying is, can we do anything to impress you guys for you to be like, those guys should be professional athletes? Oh, some of the, you know, the Wrigley tradition is to throw back the home run balls. So, yeah, there's some that could get close to the infield.
You know what's bullshit, though? I don't know if you've ever noticed it, but I had season tickets in the bleachers for a bunch of years, and there's a bunch of dudes who bring a ball. So if they catch a ball, they flip it.
So they'll throw out the ball they brought, they'll throw back the ball they brought, and they'll keep the home run ball, which is bullshit. You think it is? Yeah.
I think it's bullshit. The spirit of it is you've got to throw back the ball that was hit.
You can always tell. If the guy has a glove or he's like an older guy, he's doing that.
Like if it's a drunk 20, 30-year-old, they're just tossing it back. You can tell almost right away, though, like that guy's switching the balls.
Now, do you, as the fan, get anything from Wrigley or anything for catching the home run and then throwing it back? No. Yeah, they come over and they hit the cup snake out of your hand.
Yeah. They're like, go make another one.
Yeah. Go buy more beer and try to build another one.
That's a good point, though. They should reward that type of behavior from the fans.
Yeah, I agree. Send them a beer, send them a ball.
Send them a beer. That's the least you could do.
For sure. And honestly, if I'm a fan, the plot to rookie of the year is exactly that.
That's my dream scenario. Correct.
To catch a ball, throw it back so far, they're like, okay, we are actually going to sign this kid to the catcher dad. Yeah, that's basically what we want you guys to think of us.
We've got to do something so athletic where you're like, whoa. Jed, give these guys a tryout.
Yeah, we'll outlaw the position player pitching and we'll bring in the fan with the best arm. There should be a fan pitch.
I like that. Does it ever blow your mind that you are playing in the same stadium where we saw Rookie of the Year? You probably watched that movie growing up, right? I watched it last week.
It's a great movie. He threw out the first pitch a couple weeks ago.
Yeah, he always does. Every year he does.
It was cool. What's your guys' relationship with Jed? When you see him, are you saying Jed? Are you saying Mr.
Hoyer? I say Jed. You cool with him? Yeah, I think so.
walk my dog in yeah in oz park and he walked his dog at the same time and he would it was funny because we were like friendly but i would tell he i could tell he'd always give me information that like he he basically walks around with a little information in his pocket like i can tell this guy and like he'll think that i'm giving me inside information and it's like something everyone knows. But I would walk away being like, holy shit, just told me all these secrets.

Yeah.

They're none.

None of them are secrets.

Does he ever give you guys some of those?

Like where he's like, here's like, you know, something about his strategy and you walk

away and you're like, yeah, you know what?

Like, I'm sure he said that to like everyone in the building just now.

Not that I know.

Okay.

He's got to start doing that because it makes you feel good. When a guy like that tells you something, you're like, wow.
Oh, I bet. Yeah, this is awesome.
Yeah. I'm a Nino.
Yeah, you feel like you're part of the plan. Yeah, right.
Let's do it. I'm one of the inside guys.
Yeah, you ask him for my advice because I'll give it to you. I'm in his inner circle.
How do you guys feel about the bigger bases? Ooh, good question. So last year when I spent some time in AAA it would they didn't seem like it wasn't like that big of a difference right obviously it's like different but it wasn't like astronomical i don't know what's your take i don't i don't know if it's gonna make much of a difference but uh i just think funny they wear those boxes yeah yeah but the base dealers wear those gloves anyways they like stick out oh yeah, yeah, the mittens.
Steels are up. I think there's been so many reviews and close calls this year, so maybe that'll – I don't know how much that'll affect it, but stuff like that.
Speaking of which, did you ask for that review at home plate when you were out by a million feet? Me? Oh, no, I didn't. That was one of the worst reviews ever.
Well, they were saying if he blocked the plate or not. Because Wilson got called on it a couple games prior to that.
Got it. Because we had the sound off because we were watching the NBA Finals, and I just saw that you were – I don't know what happened.
Yeah, you were total toast. Can you guys ever tell Ross to review it? Or does he listen to you when you say that say that yeah I think if we were very adamant about it it's basically every sport now like any sport if there's review I think actually in the NBA finals someone got called for a foul in the first quarter and he went to the coach it was like review it and the coach was like why would I are you fucking sick? Why would I do that? I only have one.
Like every player wants everything reviewed. Oh, yeah.
But, yeah, I knew I was out. Yeah, you were so – I mean, that makes you like a flip or something.
It makes more sense that it was not a review to see if you were out because we were watching and we were like, wow, they're idiots. Yeah, we're like, what is David Ross doing right now? I've never seen a more out person in my life.
Yeah, I was running and I see the throw coming. I'm like, ooh, I oh i'm gonna be toast but i don't know how to go about sliding in here so you should just go backwards in those points like just start running but yeah but like going backwards like i don't know like i just try to do something a little different maybe jump over them yeah oh yes that has happened to yadi yes yes yadi's the worst you guys don't have to answer that but worst.
That was a question or a statement? It was a statement, and you're both nodding furiously, so I appreciate that. All right, so I have one last question.
It's a Roback question. Promo code TAKE for 20% off.
We got Q-Zips, hoodies, polos for you guys. Roback, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com.
Use code TAKE for 20% off your first purchase.

So, like I said, we're going to run this a little later next week.

But right now, as we're sitting here, the Angels have lost 12 in a row.

What would you guys do if you're on that team?

I actually can't imagine losing 12 in a row and sitting there every day.

Have you guys been a part of a long losing streak where nothing is going well? What were we at last year, 12? It was 12? I think right around there. It was bad last year, but also the Angels were in first place and they lost 12.
They were humming and now it's fallen off the cliff. What happened last year when 12 in a row happened? I forgot that last year was 12.
I thought it was like 9 or 10. I think it was twice.
Once before I got there, once when I was there. But, yeah, those are ones some of you just scratch your head after the game and just say, all right, you know, lace them up and go at them again tomorrow.
Yeah, so they did. I don't know if you saw, they had everyone walk up to Nickelback.
Oh, yeah. Did that work? No.
They lost.

It was worse.

Should they try Creed next?

Yeah, I know.

So was there a moment like game eight where someone stood up and was like,

let's do this today, and then just like, all right, well, now that didn't work.

What do we do now?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

There was an instance where someone did that,

and we went out and scored like six runs in the first, and then we lost like 12 to seven. Oh, that was against the Brewers.
Was it Philly? Yeah. Something like that.
We were up like 7-0, and then they put up seven the next inning. I probably – that was the Brewers, I thought.
Oh, really? Yeah, because I tweeted Cubs are back. Yeah, it was the Brewers game.
Yeah, it was the Brewers game in Milwaukee, and I was like, Cubs are back. This is awesome.
Oh, boy. And then, yeah, I actually distinctly remember that game.
I was listening on the radio. I was like Cubs are back this is awesome and then yeah I actually distinctly remember that game I was listening on the radio I was like dude they're fucking back yeah we came out with a vengeance and I was like 14 to 7 yeah like shoot but yeah we'll make sure to get you some Schwizdom jerseys jerseys too yeah jerseys who gets the number oh we each got one of our own so you guys get to pick all right okay yeah all right we could put your number on there yeah i'm

gonna make the fratric ones and it's gonna be all in greek letters it's probably like a frat shirt

yeah i like it yeah yeah i mean you guys got to keep going back to back that's electric when it

happens yeah oh i know it's yeah it's so much fun yeah but i hope you guys enjoy the shirts we gave

or i gave yes we gave us yeah just a quick little plug yeah uh so north side high fives

I'm going to go to St. Jude.
Love it. Yeah.
So what's the website? PatrickWism.com? That's it, yeah. Hell yeah.
That's a pretty cool shirt. That is very simple.
Yeah, so we had some cool designs. Yeah, the Northside High Fives I thought was a cool little gig and sang, so we all wear them and you want to be part of the squad.
Did Dusty Baker invent the High Five? Dusty Baker? I'm pretty sure he claims that he... Valentine in the wrap? Yeah, no, I think he claims that he invented the high five.
He was like the first person to do it. I could see him claiming that.
Not some like Roman, like Greek god or Roman emperor, like high five one of his guys. Yeah, Dusty Baker.
Yeah, definitely. He is a legend, so...
Yeah, no, Jesus wasn't going out there high five anybody. No, it was Dusty Baker in like 1976.
I'm pretty sure he says, or he says he invented the high five. Yeah.
I'm going to believe him. Dusty Baker seems like a cool guy.
All right, so when this runs, everyone go to PatrickWisdom.com. Check out the shirts, great shirts.
You owe us a Respect 90, and Frank, you owe us, ask Rizzo how much the Cubs low-balled him. All right, perfect.
Okay, all right, perfect. Thank you, boys.
We appreciate it. Thank you guys for having us.
Thanks for having us. Patrick Wisdom and Frank Schwindel were brought to you by Shopify.
Shopify, the all-in-one commerce platform to start, run, and grow your business. Shopify gives entrepreneurs the resources once reserved for big business, so upstarts, startups, and established businesses alike can sell everywhere.
They can synchronize online and in-person sales and effortlessly stay informed. Shopify offers online retailers a suite of services.
You get payments, marketing, shipping, and customer engagement tools. Connect with your customers.
Drive sales. Manage your day-to-day.
Shopify instantly lets you accept all major payment methods. and they have thousands of integrations and third-party apps from on-demand printing to accounting to advanced chatbots and beyond.

Go to shopify.com slash take, all lowercase,

shopify.com slash take for a free 14-day trial

and get full access to Shopify's entire suite of features.

Shopify.com slash take right now.

Okay, let's wrap up. We got FireFest.
We're recording this in the middle of the day. So Hank is on Zoom because he's getting ready for game six.
You listened at the beginning of the show to the fate of Henry Lockwood. Dub.
Okay, it's all right. Wait, you got the dub? You got the dub.
Did you get the dub? Okay, so this will be fun. If it goes the other way, this will be a fun time capsule.
And like I said- Game seven, we're having a live event at- Oh, wow. Announcing it.
Oh, yeah? Okay. Hank, let me ask you this.
Did the players leave any money in the ceiling when they were out in Golden State, knowing that they would make the trip back? I know, but I know that Golden State booked Encore for this big celebration tonight, so it sucks that they're not gonna be able to get to do that fuck all right now damn okay so uh like i said we're taping this before uh we're in the middle of the afternoon it's noon hank is zooming in because we knew he was going to be in boston billy is zooming in because he just didn't want to come to work so i woke up felt a little bad I'm taking a COVID test and shut the fuck up that's negative you were so full of shit you had a little bit of COVID scare but I'm taking it I'm taking it and then what doesn't feel good show uh throat cough um all that billy's being very responsible okay so he's the only responsible member of the podcast now i haven't been blogging from home real quick good yeah you must be you must have been blogging from home i have a real quick i have a text real quick um i'm gonna get to my fire fest later but this is from tuesday at 4 38 p.m. Because, again, I'll get to my Fyre Fest, but I've had to deal with COVID around my life this week.

And I've been doing the responsible thing to protect everyone on this show and the guests that we've had on.

I've been testing religiously every morning to make sure that I don't have COVID.

When I told everyone I was going to be testing every morning, Billy wrote, please don't test.

No testing. Ignorance is bliss.
That was just two days ago. What's been the change of heart, Billy? You know, just keeping everybody safe.
Was it your hero, Dr. Fauci, getting it? Yes.
Yeah. I mean, if Fauci could go down, anyone could go down.
Yeah, I could get anybody. Yeah.
So I got a phone handed to me about an hour ago from Jake. Usually what happens if Billy is finding himself in some sort of predicament, sometimes he'll try to text me on the side thinking that me and Big Cat don't talk about things and that we don't share things.
So Billy's like, oh, I'm going to go to the Crunchy Granola Mom instead of Strict Stepdad. And instead of doing it that way, what Billy did this time was he actually called Jake.
He was even afraid to text me on the side. So he calls Jake and Jake just hands me the phone.
And Billy's like, yo, are we recording right now? And I was like, yeah, we are. He's like, I thought it was 2 p.m.
today. I was like, well, no, We have an interview with somebody at 3, I believe.
Yeah. I'm actually happy this happened because every now and then there'll be like an undercurrent of people who are like, you're too strict and hard on Billy.
And this is a great show of like, no, we're not. We're actually not because he just didn't show up to work today.
Which, how many jobs? 12 o'clock is pretty early. How many jobs? 12 o'clock is.
Yeah yeah how many jobs can you just not show up and uh in reality we're not strict because he's not in trouble you know what he's just looks like a fool and this is also right before he wants to be sent to nashville taking away an emoji i mean i'm sorry this is i'm sorry so so so just to just to recap everyone, Billy wants us to send him to Nashville to party with Tight End You. And we basically were like, if you are on good behavior leading up to it, yeah, we could think about this.
This might be fun. And then for some reason last night he got so drunk that he didn't show up to work.
That doesn't feel like doing enough to get sent to Tight and you so yeah great excuse the floor is billy's for all the lies that he's about to give us look dude it was uh entourage it was sick it was not entourage was filmed you want to unpack that what was entourage i bet a I mean, it was awesome. I mean, I did.
I'm here to take my lashings. Did what I did, you know, but it was cool.
What did you do specifically? Yeah. You did Entourage.
As far as I know, you were in Entourage last night. You were cosplaying Entourage.
It was awesome. So who did you go out with? Literally all the best lacrosse players from my childhood.
Okay. Anybody else that works on this show? Was anybody else there? Anyone in particular? Jake went home.
Okay. So Jake went out with you, though, right? And then he went home.
And then he went home, and then he came into work. No, no, no.
Jake went home very early. We were at the after party until 1 in the morning.
You were there jake till one in the morning okay so yeah yeah so that's a that's a reasonable thing so this is also uh these are my favorite moments too because billy thinks that the history of barstool started when he showed up and he'll sometimes be like uh big cat you don't understand how hard i have it like you don't understand like this is like no i i literally hold on hold on so I remember vividly if I could just share a story when the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup I think in 2013 I was lucky enough to go out with the team I was out till I want to say 4 or 5 in the morning because I remember I vividly remember hearing the birds chirp when I got home. And then I wrote like 14 blogs the next day, because I know if I didn't, Dave would have like reamed my ass out and made a fool of me.
And so that just kind of shows you the easiness that you have, because really the only punishment you're getting is we're just doing this five minute segment where we're like, dude, you couldn't come to work. Uh, on a thursday on a thursday at noon it was 2 p.m i thought we were doing it 2 p.m i know we never said that wait wait when you said what time do you usually come to work it was 2 p.m what are you talking about what was 2 p.m okay i have no excuses there it is you're not getting the emoji there we go the emoji's already I don't want to take all the emojis.
Billy, let me ask you an honest question. Sorry.
I'm sorry. Do you think that you are at a place in your life where you can handle the freedom of going to Nashville next weekend? Be honest.
Yes. Oh, come on.
You should have said no there. I would have given you an emoji for honesty if you said no.

I cannot.

Because the thing is, the past couple of days,

you've been entertaining a lot of clients.

Wait, what?

What?

Are you in sales now?

What the fuck?

Entertaining what?

Clients?

Who's a client?

Name, list the clients, because there was an S on that. I would love to hear one client.
Game time? Oh, Arian. Arian's a client.
Wait, game time. No, because they give you a free ticket doesn't mean that you're entertaining.
That's not how that works. They're actually entertaining you.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I don't think you were with that. You just went to a game.
I don't think you were with. No, he wasn't.
went to a game so that was entertaining game time it's basically like when you billy thinks that when he drinks 15 cores light on friday night he's like well i'm entertaining cores light as a client yeah i'm at a big uh ad partner dinner tonight billy you're literally sitting and drinking beers on your couch i'm doing work guys it's content it's fine i'm actually not mad um i'm just more it is like i said i'm happy that it happened so that it can be an illustration to our audience who sometimes thinks pft and hank and i are too hard on you it's like actually we're very easy on you when it all comes down to it because i'm not you're not in trouble it's just um it's just very funny that you couldn't show up to work the thing is like i like it this is like i took a shower oh great oh okay awesome now yeah progress i got up i got up like at 10 30 11 like being like okay shower just like going to work and then it was like oh shit we're recording at 12 and i was like fuck okay so you got up and everything and you even took a shower before you were even supposed to be at work so technically you were early i'm sure there's plenty of awls who can relate to waking up for work at 10 30 yeah and 11 yeah like this is no this is cool also also just want to throw that out there that pft you know usually how this podcast works um as much as people think we don't have our shit together,

we'll share on the text chain, like, hey, what's the schedule tomorrow?

Let's just fill each other in.

PFT at 5.42 p.m. last night, so that's fairly early.

That's not, like, late-breaking news.

Texted the group, so noon tomorrow for Fyre Fest,

for Stapp and Perez at 3, started the show via Zoom after the game.

Nice little teaser. Nice little teaser.
Yeah, that is. Yeah, that is.
But that was all laid out, and everyone was like, yep, that's perfect. Let's do it.
Minus Billy. Yeah, dude.
Being a big out. All right, well, I think this is good because this is your fire fest.
We've done your fire fest here. I'm also noticing that, like, Billy's got a little fake Clay Thompson vibe thing going on right now.
Yeah, the goatee. With the goatee.
You know what? If Boston had their shit together, they would try to sneak in their own fake Clay Thompson, and then they would stop the real Clay Thompson outside the arena and give him a hard time and detain him for like an hour being like, there's a lot of fake Clayompson's going around how do we know you're the real one yeah that's what they should be doing billy billy gives uh the warriors 35 minutes tonight yep i love that although hank like in the alternate like uh 0.0001 chance what if billy beat the celtics That would probably be the worst loss of your life. I mean, yeah.
That would never happen. Sweating out booze by the first quarter.
I've been balling pretty hard lately. Yeah, sounds like you balled a lot last night.
All right. So let's get to Fyre Fest.
Unless you have anything else, Billy, that you wanted to throw out there, any other clients or excuses you wanted to throw to the wall and see if they stick? Look, I am honestly very – I'm sorry. It was a serious mental error.
I think it was more of scheduling and thinking I had more time than I did, not making excuses. I am sorry to the listeners because, honestly, they deserve better for me.

And I'm sorry.

And I know there's going to be a lot of people angry.

And I'll take my lashings like a man.

No tap.

Yeah, no tap.

Yeah, no tap.

Give us at least one good story, low-key story from last night.

We were in Channing Tatum's apartment.

Oh, that's cool.

That's kind of cool.

Was he there?

No.

Does he know that people were in his apartment?

I don't think he lives there anymore.

Got it.

But it was awesome.

It was a great event.

The movie.

So not his apartment.

Wait, what do you think Channing Tatum's apartment?

What does that sentence mean to you?

It probably, it was very cool.

Right.

But he is not Channing Tatum's apartment.

Now, let's see. mean to you um it probably it was very cool right but he is not channing tatum's apartment not anymore but you know the sport was honestly amazing it was an like i think that it's going to be as huge for lacrosse as drive to survive was for f1 it was an amazing feature this movie Amazing amazing venue on the water on battery park like it was awesome it's going to single-handedly turn lacrosse in the fifth major sport it's going to get in the top five through this movie yeah thank god you went and entertained those clients i know it was an amazing movie.
Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, let's get into Fyre Fest.

That was a great review.

Jake, how was the night from your perspective?

By the way, I want to just say, not to brag, but I called it,

when Billy's pictures showed up from the red carpet,

Jake, you look great.

Duges look great.

Billy was wearing a party shirt,

and people were trying to make fun of Billy for what looked like a double chin. I did not think you looked bad, Billy.
I thought he looked wide. Yeah, he's looked wider.
There have been some bad angles of Billy going around the internet recently. But it was so clear that he was wearing a shirt that was like he was hoping that one of his lacrosse heroes was like, bro, this guy is fucking ready to party.
Let's go have a crazy night. And then it turns out that's exactly what happened.
So mission accomplished in terms of the shirt, which I thought was a good play by you. I mean, it was a red carpet event.
I didn't know what to wear to a red carpet event. So I was just like, let's wear the shirt that looks like drapes.
Smart. Yeah.
And so Jake, how many waters did we mix in last night I double fisted For the beginning

One water and one beer

Oh

Yeah

Water and a drink

Yeah

Double fisted

Yeah

Hell yeah

It was a great event

Shout out to PLL

For inviting us

But that was my firefest

I thought I looked bad

In the red carpet photo too

So we all looked

Pretty heavy

Do you know

The worst photo of us

Is they could

You know what it was Jake

Is I

You know

As someone who's had

Very very bad angles um when you wear a suit you have to make sure that your shirt is always tucked in like at all times because you had a little bit of that little pillow yeah where it wasn't your body it was just the shirt like suits were were as a podcast a bunch of guys that weren't meant to be in suits. Like, I think that's just a fact.
Like, there are people who look. I wear one all the time.
I got to be extra care. Yeah, I know.
But we're just like, it's hard to look good in a suit. You got to wear a suit all the time.
You got to have like those finely Italian tailored suits. Reduction next week.
Yeah. Yes.
Yes. Yeah.
You have a nice suit. I always say, like, if you're wearing a suit, it's good to have, like, one giant accessory to take people's mind off how weird you look in that suit.
So, like, a fun hat. Or a shoe.
Or sunglasses. Or a belt.
Yeah. Yeah, something big, like a big belt buckle.
Who designed suits? A C watch. Yeah, a nice watch.
Whose idea was it to be like, hey, guys have to wear five pieces of clothes, and these are the five pieces that make them look good. Yeah.
It's weird.

Yeah, I agree.

It's hard to look good in a suit.

Yeah.

It was probably back in the day

when it was only rich people could afford

more than three pieces of clothing.

True.

I actually think it probably had something to do with

people used to stink really, really bad.

So the more layers of clothes they could wear,

the less smelly they were.

Yeah.

And so rich people would just stock up on layers. It would a cool alternate reality where like the suit was just a tank top yeah that was the formal wear back in the day and that's just how we've how we've progressed as a society like 1400s christopher columbus approaches the uh the like royal court and he's rocking a wife beater and jinkos yeah he's walking rocking a lax penny yeah yeah maryland lax penny and he's like what's up bros uh all right so that's your fire fest jake that's your fire fest billy hank what's yours uh update for my last week's fire fest i did find my air pods in my golf bag so that's a that's a that's a dub they're about to die though but uh i kind of told pfc this the other day as a joke kind of kidding but like low key i just said that for real fuck um sneaky it might actually come to fruition i am trying to find an apartment and because i've been coming back to boston so much and just like moving around and shit i haven't really had time to like go and look at places and like every place i look oh no the places i've looked they're just like oh yeah someone else got it like we had 10 people apply and someone else got it i have like another i have like another few weeks but i was telling pft i was like there's a chance i have to move shit into your beach house for a couple weeks oh yeah august i know big cat was thinking the same thing i was thinking way was thinking when Hank was telling me about this that he would have to move in with Billy.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

I thought you were going to have to move in across Billy.

I actually think it would be good for both Billy.

I'd move into the office.

I'd move to the streets.

Yeah, well, I mean, with your new paycheck, you can probably move into Channing Tatum's

old place.

Mm-hmm.

True.

But yeah, Hank might be like, or at least Hank's stuff might become a temporary roommate

of mine down at the Jersey Shore this summer.

Why wouldn't you just put your stuff in the office?

There's so many, like, spots now upstairs.

You just throw all your shit.

My couch and shit.

I might just do storage.

I don't know.

It's just one of those things where.

Just a tip.

I feel like that would probably be the smart thing to do if you're going to stay in the same location.

Maybe do storage instead of moving all of your stuff two hours away to then move it all the way back. It's not two hours away.
It was more like storage, put it in storage, but then I will come stay at the house for a couple of weeks. I was basically inviting myself.
I'm more just trying to help PFT where you just said you might move a couch into his rental house. That seems a i don't know i don't know what's gonna happen i just know that next week is is is gut check time yeah no like it was it's one of those things where because because i came back last week on on wednesday and i was home for the weekend and i came back this morning and like during the week i just didn't i tried to uh look at apartments but they didn't have times like before or after work and I could just pull a billy and not come in.
So I just didn't get to look at any apartments, and I have less than a month at this point. Yeah, you're more than welcome to come stay.
That would be fun. It's going to be a good time.
We've got a pool table. We've got a bar inside the house.
We're right by the beach. I've got the gayest truck in North America.
That would be a great look, me and Hank driving around in the out-and-about truck. Why don't you just stay, Hank? In my current apartment? Yeah.
I told them, no, they tried to raise my rent. Oh, that's one of those ones that I would just be like, fuck it, I'm not moving.
Yeah, have you tried to negotiate or do you need an expert? like like i mean this is i don't know if i said this on the show did i talk about the view thing

on the show oh you don't like the view okay i i i looked at this building and it has a sick view

of manhattan and then the apartment i looked in i didn't really like the layout and there was

they're like oh we have these other different layouts in the building and i just looked at

the blueprint i was like oh this is perfect every fucking like every every view has to be sick

Thank you. I didn't really like the layout.
And they're like, oh, we have these other different layouts in the building. And I just looked at the blueprint.
I was like, oh, this is perfect. Every fucking, like every view has to be sick.
And then when I walked in, it had like, it was like blocked. Like my view is blocked.
And it just pissed me off for the entire year. So I can't do it again.
Talk some prayers, Hank. That's brutal.
I know. Well, yeah.
I mean, yeah, whatever. Skyline problems.
Thank God you found your AirPods in your golf bag.

What do you want me to do?

It's Firefest.

What am I supposed to talk about?

It's true. They didn't have good seat selection in the Legends Club tonight.

Wait, where are you sitting?

Next to the Warriors bench.

Oh, okay.

That's tough.

It would have been nicer next to the Celtics bench.

It turns out I left the diamonds in my Maserati, so problem solved. All right, PFT, your fire fest? My fire fest, I've been dealing with this off and on for like the last week and a half or so, but it really, it got concerning to me last weekend.
I woke up, I thought I was having a heart attack. I woke up and my entire left arm was numb.
And when I say numb, I don't mean like pins and needles numb. I mean, I could not feel anything on my skin from the shoulder down to the tips of my fingers.
And that's a weird feeling to have when like a complete limb is just not there. And so I sat up and I was turning side to side in bed and my arm was like flopping around.
And so I would pick it up with my right hand and drop it. It would just snap back into place.
And after about, I don't know, two minutes or so, I was able to get feeling in it and move it around. But it's happened to me to a certain degree maybe three times over the last week and a half when I just wake up and my arm is kind of...
I think my arm is about to fall off. Yeah.
My left arm. That's, I mean, it sounds like it's just your arm's asleep, but it sounds obviously more severe.
Maybe I got like nerve damage in my, I don't know. Are you sleeping on your arm? I don't think so.
Maybe it's just from years of blogging. Damn.
It's an overuse injury. I don't know.
Imagine if you had to get a hook. If you got a hook, that would be cool.
It'd be kind of sick, yeah. I was actually thinking about what, if I were to get some sort of prostate, if my arm fell off like a lizard's tail, like what I would get to replace it.
I think the hook is a little bit dangerous. It's either hook or robot arm.
Yeah, robot. I would like to have the robot arm.
Yeah. I really.
Yeah. Then I couldn't play guitar anymore.
That'd be tough. Yeah.
That would like a maraca. What? Yeah.
Like a maraca or something. Oh, like a shaker.
Yeah. Yeah.
Billy, as, as our bro football doc, what's your medical diagnosis of my arm? Not feeling there anymore. You got to work on your circulation, probably get a vasco dilator, start lifting, do some cardio, get the blood pumping.
We work out together sometimes. You know that I lift.
We haven't worked out in a long time. Wow.
I know you haven't. I worked out yesterday morning, but anyway.
And you still took that picture? He's looking jacked. Alright, well, thoughts and prayers.
Yeah, I don't know. When you say vasco dilator, are you talking about like Viagra?

No.

Well, maybe, but I think you're-

All right.

I just got prescribed Viagra.

Yeah.

Some type of blood thinner.

Are we talking like maybe pain?

You just got to get the blood pumping.

Loosen it up a little bit.

I think-

So once I started moving around, then I was able to move my arm again.

Yeah. I think you're restricting blood flow to your arm somehow.

So I get that pumping.

Maybe I did sleep on it in some weird way.

But I've done it like three times this week.

That's fucking crazy.

It was crazy.

It was like my arm wasn't even there.

And then I told Nick once I got in the office, I was like, yeah, I think I was having a stroke.

He goes, no, that's a heart attack.

You're having a heart attack.

Yeah, one or the other.

That's fine. Did you JJO with your numb hands? No, I, no, I didn't jack off with the ghost hand.
Wow. He, while he thought he was having a heart attack.
Um, now the thought did occur to me after the, after the fact is like, whoa, I bet that would have felt sweet, but I couldn't move my hand. So I, if I wanted to do that, I would have had to like wedge my hand like against a wall and then fuck my own hand.
Yeah. I couldn't move my hand.
So if I wanted to do that, I would have had to like wedge my hand like against a wall and then fuck my own hand. Yeah.
I couldn't move it. So worth thinking about it.
Yeah. Maybe next time.
Yeah. Now that next time I'll be prepared.
Yeah. All right.
My fire fest wrap up. Like I said, at the start, I went to a wedding last weekend and literally everyone got COVID except myself.
Knock on wood. But but yeah it's been a hell of a week uh my wife is out with covid at a hotel and so i've been one on two with the kids trying to earn earn father's day i feel like i'm like i'm getting tested right before father's day like can you actually earn this yeah so are you going to be are you going to be relieved of duty by father's maybe not so it might just go we might just might just be you know one on two um yeah it's it's been it's been interesting this is your cam newton moment where you're like okay i got this a lot of a lot of moments where i look up and i'm like wait where the fuck are my kids and they're like somewhere in my apartment yeah so it's you know a little got to be a little more on my toes um but yeah it's been it's been fun trying to juggle all that.
I imagine that if you're dealing with like two poop emergencies at once, that's probably the worst part, right? No, it's no. Actually, listen, when did you become a dad? Like poop is nothing.
Like it doesn't even faze me. It's way more like where are my kids? Like they crawled into a room and now I don't hear them.
The silence is the scariest thing as a parent. When you can hear your kids playing, nothing matters.
But when they walk out of your eyeline and then it's silence, you're like, oh, fuck, something bad is happening. But yeah, it's been a fun test.
And yeah, just remember to wish me a happy Father's Day on Sunday because I earned it this year.

I really do think that Billy is giving us good real-life experience for raising a teenager.

For all intents and purposes, Billy is 14 years old.

If my son is like Billy, I might have to just kick him out of the house.

It might be a situation like Jimmy Butler where he just got banished.

I would be ready.

I think I would be ready for a Billy-like child by the time they're 14 just from going through this experience. I don't know.
Because the problem is – You just give them a ball and you're like, okay, go throw this against a wall somewhere. Like you have to have like still unconditional love for your child and that would be tough for Billy right now.
I still love Billy. Yeah, but unconditionally? No, I mean, there's definitely a line.
Yeah, that's the thing. Unconditional love is very different than just regular love.
I unconditionally love Jake. Yes, absolutely.
Hey, man, this podcast life, great. Oh, my God.
Billy really did try to- Something like that. Just when Billy gets fake sentimental, that's actually when I come closest to not loving you anymore.
Yes, correct. Because Billy has actually said to me, like he has stone-faced been like, you don't understand how hard this content game is.
And I'm like, dude, are you actually saying this to me? You just said that. I think you blogged in a different era.
I will say that. Yeah, so he's going to see this is the craziest.
It was actually harder. You don't blog anymore, Billy.
You don't blog. And and also a job the early 2010s was maybe the hardest era to blog in you had the most competition the fiercest competition for example i think you could like when you put up 14 blogs like it's 14 blogs that no one else is blogging whereas like nowadays you're blogging you got this is insane this is what i deal with people he literally said he said to, I don't even know if the video is out now.
He's like, you don't understand how hard it is to be on camera all the time and blog all the time. You literally just described my life.
No. They used to get in the most petty fucking fights about blogs.
Reblogs. It was.
And yeah. Yeah.
That's just not true billy is it was every chin xer that is billy would have gotten chewed up and spit out in 2013 on the blog sphere i mean there was less bloggers and there was more topics to blog so you could get no there was not more topics to blog about that's just like there's way more now yeah like you know how many more people are on the internet right now? Do you know how many stories happen every day? There's stories out my asshole. But, like, there's other people who would take the same stories.
Yeah, we would, right? That happened then. That happened then, all the time.
But there was more... There was less bloggers, more topics.
No. Billy, also, the reason that you didn't blog this morning was because you were hung over and didn't wake up until 11 o'clock correct not because like well billy's gonna be like well if i had been awake people would have taken all the blogs i was going to write so i got drunk i have i have just like three blogs in my pending that just won't get posted wow too too bold for the internet, you realize that like if I, like there was the only time I can remember someone just not blogging one day, just waking like we woke up and this person just didn't blog.
It was Trent when he went to jail. He was literally in jail.
That was the only time I can remember someone just being like, not going to blog today. And Trent probably tried to blog from jail who says i wasn't in jail okay oh man all right numbers jake do you have one a number oh you already did you just fire up that picture yeah yeah yeah you look fat look quick oh my god he's the problem is right now he's in that like goofy hungover phase where he thinks everything's funny

and it's yeah.

Billy's about to have some really bad

tweets this afternoon. Yeah.
I can tell some bad

tweets. And then he's going to regret it tomorrow and he's

going to be like my dad's mad at me.

You guys made me tweet. My dad's

mad at me. It's basically the weekend big cat.

It was Wednesday night last night. How's

your Saturday Billy?

Alright 26. What's your number, Billy? All right, 26.

What's your number, Hank?

18.

Memes got three.

25.

Bubba?

Six.

Six.

I'm going to go two.

Two.

69.

88. New.
Wow. 88 New

Wow

Scoregami

Patrick Kane

Michael Irvin

Right?

Michael Irvin?

Yeah

Playmate

626

27

29

51

78

Love you guys.

We'll be right back. Take on me