Paul Rabil, Mr Portnoy + Steph Curry's Legacy Game

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Let's go. Legacy series, baby.
Legacy series. Friday night

Steph Curry went into

Boston and dropped an

all time Legacy series, baby. Legacy series.
Friday night, Steph Curry went into Boston and dropped an all-time, all-time performance. Hank, you want to just lead off? With what? How are you feeling? Just your thoughts.
How's your butthole doing? Yeah, just your thoughts. My butthole was clenched.
It was a very impressive performance from Steph Curry. He did everything for them.
Klay Thompson, Draymond. I mean, Klay played well.
Draymond's absolutely useless out there. He almost had a single double.
He had nine rebounds this time, right? Nine rebounds and eight assists. He is Ben Simmons.
It kind of felt like when Draymond, after the first game, was like, oh, well, we won 40 of the minutes and just fell apart. That's how that game felt.
The Celtics felt like they were in control the whole time.

There was a few times where they had a six, five-point lead

where if they had just had a couple stops and a couple good possessions,

they would have pulled away, and Steph Curry just wouldn't let it happen.

It was tough.

He was taking the air out.

There was a lot of moments Big Cat loves where everyone's going crazy,

then they hit a three and everyone just shuts up.

I mean, those are the greatest moments in sports.

And Marcus, at the end of the game, the last four minutes of the celtics they just they just fell apart they did they forgot how to play basketball yeah martin this happens at the end of a lot of games where smart gets a lot of open looks and i guess just in a vacuum they're good shots because he's open right but when it's marcus smart taking them at the end of games they're not necessarily good well they're by design i mean golden state deserves a little credit for being like we're going to take away everyone but Marcus Smart taking them at the end of games, they're not necessarily good shots. Well, they're by design.
I mean, Golden State deserves a little credit. Oh, for sure.
Like, we're going to take away everyone, but Marcus Smart and see if he can beat us. I also like that game.
It did feel like we talked about it before game four, that the Celtics are the better team, and the only way they lose is beating themselves. It was Steph Curry beating them, but there was a lot of Celtics beating themselves.
Yeah, the PFT's point if they make it yeah they would have they would have been back in the game but I would rather live and die with with Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum yeah making or missing shots I don't even think they shot in the last four minutes maybe once yeah yeah it was weird Tatum had a lot of turnovers so I I was out uh in San Francisco and I was at a wedding I was at the rehearsal dinner on Friday night and I did the thing where I hadn't seen my friends in a really long time so I got blackout drunk uh way too drunk on Friday and then Saturday like the wedding I was like I'm I'm just showing myself so I watched the entire game and I did not remember anything I was taking notes during so I'm gonna read you just my notes real quick because i i remember i was watching the game watched every single play and then one of my buddies who wasn't watching after was like like what happened i was like warriors one and steph and that was like all i could tell him so i my notes are these are notes i was taking during the game because it's like dude you're so drunk that you're not going to be able to remember this hold on let. Let me find my notes.
Where the fuck did I put them? Oh, here it is. Okay.
First note is just Steph. Second note is- Stephan.
I wrote Steph, so I guess I'm not as close to him. Second note is just Dave's shirt is way too big.
He was wearing, like, it looked like a pajama shirt. Triple X on.
I don't know what's going on. Wouldn't that be awesome if Dave Portnoy was the one that brought that brought back like the big white tea look so you could go into like any gas station and get the like quadruple xl fresh press white tea he looked he looked like he was walking out uh like it like a college uh like a dude's apartment and like the girlfriend walks out after a long night being wearing like the guy her boyfriend's shirt or like going on right now, dude? Like a middle school girl waiting for her dad to pick her up at the pool.
Yeah, it was just I actually had a tweet where I was I didn't have cell service points. And I got one out that was just like, I can't get I can't get any tweets out making fun of Dave's shirt.
This is my personal hell. And then my next one is Draymond is Ben Simmons.
Because he, now Steve Kerr deserves all the, I watched the game back on Saturday after I was sober. Steve Kerr deserves a ton of credit.
The people who say Steve Kerr can't coach. Bad coach.
Going offense, defense, and also having the balls to pull Draymond out of the fourth quarter. And that offense, defense actually worked because Draymond had a couple deflections there at the end.
And he basically was like, Draymond Green does not want to shoot. He is Ben Simmons at this point where it's like he could have a completely open look going towards the basket and he will pass it up.
Which is smart. It's smart for him at this point because if he does force it at the basket, he's going to do that thing where he puts up a finger roll and it goes off the backboard.
Right. It doesn't hit the rim.
Right.

He's just breaking the backboard all the time.

My next note was just Steph, whoa.

That must have been just a big three he hit. That was probably that move that he did.

Because Steph does this when he's really feeling it.

He'll do the thing where he does a fake step back to a three.

They try to block it.

He drives past him.

They catch up with him.

He does a full 360 pivot, ends up going towards the basket, and just throws up a little up a little teardrop that doesn't even hit the net. It just goes straight through.
Yeah, he had everything going. He had the ones where he was getting the ball force out of his hand and then he'd run the full baseline and then show up in the corner and hit one.
I think this one was the one where he was looking for a foul, which wasn't there. He, like, fell down, and that was where it was like,

he's just going to hit every shot that he takes.

And then Wiggins went to rebounding school.

He just felt like every time they needed a rebound, he was there.

I don't know where he came from.

Rebounding school.

Yeah, he went to rebounding school.

And then my last note is, Steph, whoa, whoa.

Okay.

I mean, honestly, that's a pretty solid recap of the game.

Yeah, that's it.

That's my drunk recap. That's really how you could follow.
I was, I was watching the game in a bar in Brooklyn that did not have a television, which so I was watching it on my phone. It's redundant.
And if, yeah, it is extremely like I looked it up before I went there. I was like, this place is probably not going to have a TV.
Yeah. And not only did that place not have a TV, none of the bars within like a a two block radius had a tv so if you're watching if there's like a big sports game on in a bar where they don't have a tv and you are the person that has the espn app on their phone pulled up you become a god yeah in that bar yeah i had like a little a little gathering around me of people that were just treating it like it was the bar's television right and you become like a superstar people like sending you like sending you free drinks.
Thanks for letting me watch your TV. Right.
No problem. So I was my phone.
I had a lot of takes to that. I wish I could have tweeted out, but I can't be tweeting because everybody is watching my phone.
You should have. What you should have done is you should have pulled it down.
So it was in the top right corner while you tweeted. Yeah.
Let me get sorry, guys. You're going to have to watch the corner of my phone.
Let me get let me get this tweet off. I've got a burning addiction to being online.
But yeah, it was Steph. It was Steph.
It was the Steph game. It was the Steph game.
And Hank, I'm more curious about the atmosphere in Boston. On a scale of 1 to 10, how classy were you? I'm not going to lie.
It was way more classy than I was expecting. Really? There was like a couple fuck Draymonds, like one fuck Clay, but i was actually expecting it to be a lot more and a lot more consistent it was it looked like an electric uh like atmosphere i used where were you sitting uh we were like behind the basket great tickets shout out to game time my only other observation from the celtics game is that obviously his glad his knees are made of glass and i don't know he wasn't like playing in the end of the fourth quarter.
But when Robert Williams, he's the most impactful player on the court. He was insane.
As many blocks as he has, he probably has so many more that just because his presence is there, they don't even try and take shots. And it's just energy.
And his rebounds. He just, he...
He had like 10 rebounds the first quarter. He brings the energy for the Celtics.
Now, my question to you, Hank, is when you're watching that game, because that was an all-time Steph Curry performance, 43 points. I think he was 7 for 14 from 3.
Just insane. It felt like every time he was shooting the ball, it was going in.
Did you have that feeling standing there like we're just so fucked because there's nothing you can do about it? You could argue, their defense dropped coverage, all these things, but there were times when Steph, they would try to give him a different look and he still would figure out a way to beat it. It was just so insane.
I think it was like nine minutes left and the Celtics were up five or six and it was a timeout and Golden State had the boss that these are the most important next four minutes and then I think they scored like both times down the court and made it to two then after that, it was just, it was a Steph show. Yeah.
It was also one of those weird games where it was close, kind of like game one, where it was close. And then they took the lead and the Celtics just couldn't, couldn't get it back.
And it was over. Yeah.
Right. It just ended.
But it was a close game, but it was 10 points at the end. Tatum got hurt in like the first five minutes of the game as is custom for him now.
I missed that. Yeah.
Was it the French shoulder? His French shoulder came out. That's what Greg Goldsberry was saying.
His French shoulder, yeah. Like the Big Ben walking boot thing.
He was hurt in like the first five minutes, then he came back and he was fine after that. But yeah, I would be a little bit worried if I were you guys.
And I thought that it looked like the Celtics were going to cakewalk their way. But there's nothing you can do when Steph plays like that.
There's simply, you can't stop that. Hank's going at this comment but i still think the celtics is a better team oh they are i think they definitely are i do i just i that i do too and i also think after i mean if you were looking for a bet after a loss they've been undefeated this point these playoffs you'd expect them to win on monday yes i do and so i like i obviously if step Steph decides to just do that again, then you probably, it's a totally different, because the Celtics are the better team, but Steph Curry is the best player on the court.
So that's kind of the equalizer at hand that we have. I think Richard Jefferson, how he explained the finals, it's all playing out pretty much exactly that way.
Because Andrew Wiggins was, when we were talking to Kirk Goldsberry on Wednesday night, saying, like, Andrew Wiggins needed to have a game where it felt like his presence was there, and it was. Those offensive rebounds that he got where he had a couple layups at the end of the game, it felt like he was out there.
And his defense on Tatum has been very, very good. But if you go by what Richard Jefferson was saying, it's bad for the Celtics.
He was saying that as the series goes on, they're going to get tired. I know.
And the superstars. Yeah.
Oh, our man, Perk, carry the hell on, Kendrick Perkins. He said he's on board to give Steph Curry the MVP no matter what trade.
Love it. I support that.
Love it. Yeah, he said no matter what, win or lose, Steph Curry deserves this MVP.
I'd be willing to trade in Billy not being vegan just for the ensuing takes that would come with Steph Curry. Yes.
Winning the MVP in a losing effort. In a losing effort.
Yeah. If Steph Curry wins, I'm going carnivore diet.
Only Curry. You should only eat Curry.
Only meat. Only Curry would be funny.
Yeah. That's terrible for your battles.
This series has been also a big enemy of my enemy is my friend where a lot of the Golden State slander is coming from the LeBron Cavs team's fans and all of the ammo that I've been using and seeing. It's like, yes, yes, yes.
And then I realized these are all Cavs fans. However, LeBron says that he wants to play.
I think he said it again. He reiterated that he would like to play on Golden State at some point in his career.
But you're right, Hank. It's all like anytime Steph has a bad game or like the Warriors lose have lost a game in this series it's been like well Kyrie and Kevin Love got hurt one year 2016 happened then he needed KD to save him that's basically been the narrative every time you just stay it just it just goes one time it was even they lost 3-1 it just goes back and forth of Steph Curry is top 10 all time to Steph Curry has been carried to everything and he's the luckiest player in NBA.
Mickey Mouse rings. And then you can always make the argument, I love this one, where they talk about 2017 and they're like, if J.R.
Smith goes up with that shot, then the Cavaliers win that series. Yeah.
You can also say that. Yeah.
It's I mean, it's been a fucking hell of a finals. I'm excited for tonight.
Yeah, I'm really nervous. Really, really nervous.
Very, very nervous. We'll be streaming.
Yeah. I'll be shitting my pants.
We also have probably the biggest debate that we have to discuss ever in terms of sports debates. This one coming from Chris Weber, who said during the game, is Draymond, I was lucky enough to have the presence of mind to screenshot it when someone sent it on the part of my take group chat.
He said, is Draymond Green the Wes Welker of the NBA? Yes or no? And if yes, what does that mean? And what does that mean for him and Wes? Okay, let's talk about it. Let me read it one more time just because it is actually hard to follow.
No, no, I'm with it. Is Draymond Green the Wes Welker of the NBA? Yes or no? And if yes, what does that mean? And what does that mean for him and Wes? Okay, so...
We need him to have, like, a brutal turnover that loses him a game they should have won. Also, is he thinking...
To give away the championship. Is he thinking Julian Edelman? Because, like, Wes...
Draymond has rings. Yeah, no, you can...
Wes doesn't. It's funny because you could actually make the argument that Chris Webber is the Wes Welker of college basketball.
Right. It's just like – I don't – Right? That actually fits.
Right. Right.
I think that's – you know what he's doing? He's doing that whole thing where, like, if somebody's guilty of something, they project and they accuse other people. Yeah.
So he's getting out in front of it before anyone accuses him. He's just been thinking.
Yeah, he's been thinking about Wes Welker. I don't know where the analogies would start between Draymond, Guerin, and Wes Welker.
Yeah. I'm trying to think of one.
I'm struggling to think of it. So let's see.
Wes Welker went to Texas Tech, right? Draymond went to Michigan State. He was also not like Draymond's, you know, whatever, the third or fourth fiddle.
But I feel like Wes Welker was also kind of the number one receiver on a lot of the teams he played for. Maybe two, obviously not with Moss.
Clay is more similar. Wes Welker was awesome.
Right. Even Edelman.
Wes Welker was more of a star when he was really good than Edelman worked his way up there. I could see Draymond maybe doing Molly recreationally.
Yeah. That could be a connection.
Yeah. Man, that would be spook.
Concussions. That would be weird, Draymond on Molly.
I don't know. It's one of the weirdest analogies I've ever read.
I was thinking about it basically all weekend after seeing it. Where does it start? Give me one starting point that I can be like,

yep, okay, all right, I'm going to follow you down this path.

Wes Welker, didn't he wear a fun hat at one point?

That big concussion helmet.

Yeah, well, he wore the big concussion helmet,

but he also went to the Kentucky Derby.

Yeah, and he wore a fun hat.

I'm pretty sure that Draymond Green is a fun hat guy too.

Yeah, is Wes Welker the wide receiver coach for the Niners?

He's a Dolphins now.

I think he went over with McDaniel.

Okay.

Oh, no.

Was he for the Texans at first?

He was on the Niners.

He's a Dolphins now.

He was the Niners, so I guess they were in San Francisco at the same time.

Briefly.

Although he was in Santa Clara.

Yeah.

I think he needs to put that take back in the oven for a little bit. I'm just trying to think what else.
I mean, how tall is dream on green? It's like six, seven. All right.
So not that. Cause West Walker is five, nine, 10.
Shit. We had one there.
Let's see. What else is West? West Walker went out to Denver.
Okay. Played with Peyton Manning.
Okay. The Warriors did beat the, the Nuggets this year.
That's true. Yep.
Okay. What else? What else? What else? ACL.
I don't think Draymond's ever had an ACL. He was on the best regular season of all time, but lost a championship.
Oh, there we go. Okay.
Yeah, I forgot about that one. That's where we start.
Good memory, Hank. This is, yeah, Chris Weber.
Way to go, dude. I think it's just Chris Webber is the Wes Welker of college basketball.
Yeah. Yeah.
It was a very, very bizarre thing for him to throw out there. We don't really know if either one's going to be a Hall of Famer.
Yeah. They're both kind of borderline.
Yeah. Yeah.
Although everyone makes the NBA Hall of Fame. But yeah, I'd agree.
You know that will become a big debate. Yeah.
Should Draymond make the Hall of Fame? Although Draymond's going to be so good at Charles Barkley's role whenever Chuck wants to retire that he'll make the Hall of Fame easily. Yeah, he'll talk his way into it.
Yeah, right. So, all right, anything else from Game 4 that we missed that we need to talk about? What do you need to see starting? I got a lesson oh really about what i hate that i uh i tweeted fucking a man oh didn't use a comma so yeah i was like i went i went i went back to my twitter like it was it was a live tweet like during a commercial or something fucking a man and didn't even didn't even look at it till after the game and then i was looking you know it's like replies 20 something.
You just said fucking a man? And didn't even look at it until after the game.

And then I was looking.

It's like replies, 20 replies, 30 replies.

And then fucking a man had like 300.

That's perfect.

You're such a good ally, Hank.

Love is love.

Yeah.

It's Pride Month.

I do think the Celtics plus three and a half is a good bet on Monday night.

Me too.

I like it too.

And it might look stupid.

So, I mean, if the Celtics have never...

They haven't lost this postseason following the loss. They haven't lost two straight.
That would mean that they will win the championship, correct? Correct. In seven.
Numbers never lie. Fact or fiction.
They have won two in a row, so they could win two in a row. Fact.
Win in six. Yes.
And you are going to be sitting on the wood for game six, which actually makes Monday night like the most pressure-packed game of your life because you can then go and sit on the wood for possibly a championship. Yeah.
Which would be like, you'd be in, you'd be in like the trophy presentation. Let's just not even talk about it.
Let's just focus on tonight. No, we'll focus on tonight.
Clearly you've thought about it. You've thought about looking up and seeing confetti.
You're going to get on the court. You're going to have a net draped around your neck.
I'm concerned with how much I've thought about it it yes do you think they'll get let you give a speech maybe not i'm not like not like your speech at wisconsin but i'm not gonna talk about it publicly i have thought about it i drove home today i mean i had a five hour drive home today you're right so you were thinking like all right what am i gonna say here not say but just like yeah no i'm not gonna talk about it go back to the fucking a man tweet did you capitalize the letter a no oh no that's even worse so you really were fucking a man yeah according to my that was my update that was my twitter update in like the third quarter or fourth quarter it was probably after steph like kind of after steph did something after my first steph whoa this might sound like i should know i should know the answer to already, but what does fucking A mean? I'm looking it up right now. Is it just from British people being like, fucking hell? What is it? Did you type fucking a man? I put the comma in.
Come on, Billy. What does fucking A mean? It's okay.
Where does it come from? Fucking A. Because I think British people would always be like, fucking L.
Oh, it's U.S. slang, vulgar, an expression of triumph or joy, usually in response to an unexpected good news.
Comes from the military saying affirmative, which was said by soldiers in the heat of battle as fucking affirmative, which was later shortened to fucking A. And which was later shortened to over the years, the meaning of this phrase has been changed.
It's now used to express something as good. Okay.
That's a double negative. I didn't even use it correctly.
I think you can also use it to be like, ah, shit. It can just be like shit.
That's what I was going for. Yeah, it can be used.
Listen, language evolves over the years. years fucking a man fucking a man yeah so it's like did our bunker get bombed yeah fucking affirmative yeah i'd miss it i was fucking a man that kind of thing i must have missed it uh all right other things before we get to who's back the lightning uh i think i kind of want to bet on the lightning to win this series it's it's to be interesting.
They just don't lose. They don't.
And this was a karma series for the Rangers. Yeah.
After that game where they had the Rangers fan that just sucker punched the Lightning fan in the concourse. Which.
It's like, you know what? I have to say, memes was right. Yeah.
Scumbag Rangers fan. Staten Island specifically.
Yeah. Scumbags.
And then he showed up for court wearing the Rangers shirt which I respect that so actually I kind of like I really do want like I've said this before

but I want uh every time there's like a major arrest and they write about it in the news I

want to know like what team that person yes yes so if it's like if it's a great context bank

robbery it's like Celtic fan arrested for bank robbery yeah it's the context that we all need

but yeah that the they losing four in a row.

Wait, no, yeah, they did, right?

They were up 2-0 in the series, and they lost four in a row.

Yep.

The Lightning are just, I know the Avalanche are better,

and we're going to have Whitney on on Wednesday to preview the whole series.

But they just don't lose.

They're just.

Do you think it's because it's hockey that no one is sick of the Lightning yet? Yeah. And they had one COVID.
Yeah. So it's like that definitely makes it feel like...
I've had a few times where I've had to check myself and be like, oh, yeah, that would be three in a row. Yeah.
Kind of thing. Because if it was any other sport, I feel like America would be sick of that team by now.
We would hate them. Yes.
But I don't think anybody hates the Lightning. It's a combo of hockey and Tampa.
Yeah. It's a perfect combo.
Like, blue sweaters are tough in general to hate. Yeah.
Blue is like a likable color. Yeah, and Lightning bolts.
Yeah, it's pretty sick. Yeah, but they are just, I mean, they're nails.
Like, they just, everything about them, they just, they get better as series goes on. They, like, tighten things up, you know.
Don't let up goals. I don't know.
I'm sitting here before the series starts, and I've been thinking about what I want to bet, and everything says that the Avalanche are the best team in the NHL, but then it tells me, guess what? Maybe I'll wait until the Avalanche win the first two games or three games, and then the Lightning are like, all right, now we're going to start playing and you're not going to score ever again and we're going to win. I'm just going to take the over.
I'm just going to root for goals in good games. Yeah.
I want some overtimes. Now is the time where we are prepared for overtime playoff hockey.
Yes. It's been long enough to the point where like three overtimes.
That won't phase me. One super long overtime game would be a lot of fun.
It'd be amazing. yes.
I'm willing to stay up. I have a programming question.
Justin Bieber concert is still off, even though... Yeah, because his face got paralyzed.
Usually, the NHL season ends before NBA, and we do Mount Rushmore at the end of NBA. Right.
Are we going to do it after NHL or after NBA? I think we do it after NBA.

Oh. You just did it.
Hockey game seven would be Tuesday, June 28th. That's too long to wait.
Yeah, I say we do it after the NBA finals. Earliest it would end is June 22nd.
Let's just do it this way. Let's just say the date that will make a compromise.
So even if the NBA Finals only goes six games, let's just say the the date that will let's make a compromise so even if the nba finals only goes six games we let's just start because this is how they always start the nba finals of stanley cup they say like what the date is well before let's just say that mount rushmore the first mount rushmore will be june 22nd next wednesday i like that so no matter what june 22nd, next Wednesday. Set your clock.
Team Mount Rushmore.

If NBA Finals ends on Friday,

we're still going to wait until next, the following Wednesday. That will be our

kickoff Mount Rushmore.

Get your submissions in. We need

topics this year. You got anything you

want to hear us do? We're doing teams this

year. It's kind of like season

seven of the challenge. No, it's like the

Live. It's like the Live Tour.
Yeah, right. We do need mascots.
We need really shitty logos. Oh, we got to get logos.
Yeah. All right.
We'll get logos and sell merch. Commenter cat.
No, we got to, we got to do something that makes fun of them. We'll think of it.
We'll, we'll think of it. Well, let's, we don't want to show our hands.
Double anchovies. No, it was double olives.
Double olives. Double olives.
Extra. Hold the anchovies.
And then, yeah, I guess the live golf happened this weekend. That scoreboard, it looked like dude perfect.
It was weird to watch the whole thing. Charles Schwartzel, I'm at the point now where I can still disagree with all of what Saudi Arabia has done, but then I can chuckle every time someone like Charles Schwartzel who hadn't won a tournament in forever won, and he was like, yeah, I kind of needed the money.
Yeah. Like, this is sick.
Somebody pointed out, I forget who it was, they said that it was the tour for people who were either heavily in debt or recently divorced. Yeah.
And that's exactly right. If you need to make alimony payments, you're going to the fucking live.
You're going to take the money and run. Or, oh, I'll forget one other category.
Guys who may or may not have done steroids so much that they got hurt a bunch and said they were going to break golf and then golf broke them. And now they have to do it.
If you're in debt to your steroid dealer. Yeah, right.
Then you have to go over there. Not naming names.
No't we don't know who that could i think hank or someone that everyone on the tour hates already that could also be true that could be the yeah but it could be another guy too yeah patrick reed is such a perfect fit for the live tour yeah if he steals anything they're going to cut his hands off also like for him it's like you go through the debates like well will people hate me if i do this doesn't matter yeah't matter. Yeah.
Yeah. Did you see the Pat Perez? He basically had come out what it was like maybe February was like whatever Tiger says is gospel like is gold.
We'll do. We'll follow his lead.
Like there was someone who commented on his Instagram that was like in February was like go to the live tour. He's like, hell no, never.
And now he's joined. And he was like, after talking with my family and realizing the schedule was a little easier.
After speaking it over with my accountant. Yeah, parentheses, millions of dollars.
I'm now comfortable with doing this. Let's just say it moved me.
It just is a great life. To a bigger house.
It's a great life lesson to never say no to anything definitively because you probably will someday be swayed the other way. And that's what they have the power to do is if anybody says no, they're like, how about we just add another zero? Yeah, right.
And it's like, okay, yeah, now you've convinced me. Well done.
And then we had this league because Rory won the Canadian Open. And in his press conference after, he said, that's my 21st, one more than someone else.
And that's someone else being norman who has 20 and greg norman had an all-time picture that was taken after the introductory press conference i think on thursday yes where alan shipnick got kicked out yeah and then his the goons from the tour were like escorting him out and greg norman was like i'm sorry i didn't see that happen i would have stepped in then a picture came out of greg norman lurking behind him with this grin on his face. He looked like a great white shark.
Actually, that smelled blood in the water. He was ready to pounce.
It was awesome. Listen, I'm not here to judge anyone that's making $100 million from the golf standpoint, but the rivalry that's going back and forth and the controversy, I'm going to put the good for golf stamp on it.
I think we're talking about golf more. Except when the commissioner of the PGA Tour got on the microphone today and he was like, hey, you guys remember 9-11? Those are the guys that did not.
He invoked 9-11 as a reason why people should not leave the PGA Tour. Now everybody's like, well, that was a bit much.
Yeah, but hey, he's got got to feel a little pressure right now. Yeah.
With the commas that are getting thrown around. Yep.
I just hope that they let – what's Patrick Reed's wife's name? Justine, I think. Sure.
It should just be Karen. I hope they let Karen caddy for Patrick Reed because a story came out over the weekend that was saying that Justine was upset because she didn't have direct access to the commissioner of the pga tour to voice to voice her complaints that she voiced on the real golf facts account she was like trying to complain about patrick reed's starting times to the commissioner and he was like i can't i can't handle you right now so that's why she told patrick to go over and play for the saudis right and she'll i'm sure all her complaints will be heard by the Saudis.
Yeah. Ask to speak to MBS's manager.
Yeah. See how that goes.
Can I get, yeah. Can I get a zoom call with MBS next week at 11 AM? Okay, cool.
But yeah, I, I'd agree with you. Like good.
The, there's been more golf talk in a non-major week than has ever happened. Besides like a Tiger Woods scan.
It's kind of like. It's kind of like the Super League.
Actually, that's actually Tiger Woods. He has to feel a little responsible.
Hey, you want to get more people talking about PGA? Get another scandal. Because that will get people going back the other way.
Exactly. That's the only thing that can fight it off.
That or Max Homo winning the U.S. Open.
Yeah. Wait.
Are these guys showing up to the U.S. Open? I think Phil is going to show up.
That's awesome. I hope Phil wears the all-black outfit.
Is Dustin Johnson? Slip back hair. I don't know if DJ's going to do it.
I want all of them to show up because that will be very fun to watch. Them show up and be just shunned.
The bad boys. Yeah, and hated.
And what if one of them wins? Justine's wearing a hijab. Yeah.
She's like... They probably wouldn't put him on the broadcast at all justine's the chick that went went for a semester abroad yeah she got it but it all happened in one weekend i'm pretty sure dustin johnson's playing he has a 6 45 a.m practice round tea time this morning wow okay so yeah i don't know like how they're going to cover them how they're going to talk about them see this is good for golf i telling you, this U.S.
Open is going to be incredible. And they're only going to play because they can't play in the PGA Tour events.
They're only going to play in the majors, which that's kind of all what we cared about. How awesome would that be? Besides the Fortnite Open.
If it's like Phil and Rory dueling it out in the final round on Sunday. Phil and Tiger.
For the sanctity of golf. Yeah.
Wow. Max has a warm-up round at 8.57 a.m.
with Taylor Gooch, who's on live. They are good friends.
That's interesting. I think.
Yeah. Like, actually.
Oh, okay. Yeah.
The whole thing is going to be fun to watch. I'm pumped.
Yeah. And some people are saying that Bryson ran because he was scared.
Not me. Not me.
But some people could say that. Billy said it.
If the Saudis are listening, Billy said it. Billy's your number one fan.
Yeah, Billy is actually a huge Saudi guy. Spin zone, they're just stealing a ton of money from the Saudis.
Oh, that's a good reply guy tweet. You should say that.
Just be like, yeah, now the money. Better Phil has it than the Saudi royal family has it.
Yeah, because it might end up back in Penn Gaming. Exactly.
Yeah, it's good for us. Our stock price should go up.
Phil's got money. Yeah, Billy's going to be the reply guy being like, actually, the Dustin Johnson Foundation raised over $500,000 for kids this year.
So this is actually really good. Yeah.
I mean, listen, you can make it work if you want to. You can do any mental gymnastic you want to do.
They should just say, yeah, they're paying me a fuckload of money, and that's why I'm doing it. That's pretty much what Charles Schwartz will say.
I haven't won a lot of money in a long time. There are some people that are going after the golfers and some of the guys that haven't made that much money over their career.
One of them, I forget who it was. Yeah, there's some border amateurs.
Had like $4 million in career earnings, which is a lot of money. But it's not like I'm set for life, my family's set for life.
It's not a lot of money if it's like 15 years. Exactly.
I think it was like 10 years or something like that, which is still, again, not bad, especially for playing a sport. But then you go over and you play for the Live Tour and they're giving you like $50 million guaranteed just for signing up like that.

You can't you can't tell somebody like, oh, I wouldn't do that. Right.
50 million because we all have our number. Right.
And again, my number is 100 million. Yes, mine as well.
And it is funny, though, like when you see like, oh, yeah, four million dollar career earnings. And then it's like, wait, but it took him 12 years to do it and taxes and, you know, paying the caddies and all this stuff.
Like, yeah, so he's probably – like, he's obviously okay,

but it's not like he's rolling in dough. Yeah.
It's just tough to say no to that much money. When somebody actually backs the truck up for you, it's tough to turn that down.
All right, let's get to who's back. And then we got Paul Rabel and Mr.
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Who's back of the week? Hank. Who's back of the week is Tennessee doing Tennessee things.ennessee things that was mine university of of tennessee vol for life big cat you were one of them uh they were the number one seed in college baseball and they got upset today by notre dame they're not even going to the college world series by far the favorites right like they they had three number one picks and i remember they had a pitcher this year that was hitting like 105 miles per hour on the gun all the time, which doesn't seem possible.
To me, that means like that radar gun is definitely rigged, right? But they kept talking about how he was like he threw three of the fastest like five pitches of all time this year. Yeah, they were the bad boys.
Like everyone, you can tell a team has struck a chord when everyone was reveling in the fact that tennessee had lost they won 57 games they had the back controversy 49 and 0 when leading after six innings crazy they had the back controversy they had the guy who was flipping off uh the other team so they were the bad boys i don't think yeah it's a fine line between being a bad boy and being a clown yeah i think if you don't actually then you're a clown. Yeah.
Well, their coach even said after the game day, he's like, I love these guys. You know, we had a couple maniacs on the team, I think, talking about all those controversies, which, yeah.
I mean, honestly, they were kind of fun to watch. Yeah, they were.
I liked watching them. Yes.
But they're clowns. And it's been, I follow a lot of Tennessee Twitter because of my days as their coach, and it was funny watching the different emotions that they all went through where it was like obviously shock and sadness, and then like put SEC championship kind of more important than anything else.
True. Like, yeah, maybe not.
And they also got that new quarterback on NIL. Yeah.
Arch Manning hasn't been in a Tennessee uniform yet, I don't think. No.
Alabama and Georgia, I've seen him in. That's tough.
Yeah, it is. So maybe we got to get him photoshopped in a jersey for tomorrow morning.
That would be nice. Yeah.
Just let's cheer up Tennessee. Memes when he listens to this part.
Get us in a nice Arch Manning photoshopped Tennessee jersey. Just a first look.
Yeah. Yeah, like, oh, he's visiting Knoxville today.
And you know what? He didn't want to go to a school where baseball took all the shine.

So probably a lot of fans that already had their travel and stuff booked, too.

Oh, to Omaha.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was a home game.

Oh, brutal.

Brutal.

Notre Dame.

Yeah.

That's tough.

Notre Dame.

Notre Dame.

That's awful.

Yeah.

Thoughts and prayers.

OK.

PFT, your who's back. My who's back of the week is Dr.
Heat. Ooh.
Greg Williams. Yes.
Greg Williams is back. He just got named as one of the defensive coordinators for the yet-to-be-announced XFL teams that are playing.
So, if you were in fear that we were going to see the last of Dr. Heat running zero blitzes on third and long.

No, no, no.

If you think that he was dialing up the heat in the NFL,

wait until he gets to the extreme football league.

We're looking at extreme heat.

It's going to be awesome.

Just blitz.

It's like how you used to play Madden back in the day.

Just run engage eight all the time.

That's what Greg Williams is going to be cooking up.

And I still don't know what the XFL is going to do, if they're going to have the same cities, if they're even going to have cities, if they're going to do the PLO model. But frankly, I don't care because I think I'm just going to root for whatever team Dr.
Heath's coaching. Yeah.
Yeah, that will be – I will tune in for Greg Williams. Yeah.
As long as it's not against college basketball games, but I'll tune in. All right, my who's back.
I had Tennessee, so I got baseball managers instead.

Tony La Russa on Thursday, before we taped early because I had to travel,

was the ire of all of White Sox Twitter because he intentionally walked someone with a one-two count, making people be like, is he senile?

I think it was Trey Turner, right?

Yeah, it was Trey Turner to get to Max Muncy, who then hit a home run. But it was a 1-2 count.
I'm just going to chalk that up. It's a June weekend-ish game.
LaRusso was probably drunk. He probably tied a couple on.
That's fine. Boys will be boys.
And then the other one was Joe Maddon, who got fired last week, but then the story came out later that he was fired in the middle of a 12-game losing streak that the Angels had. They've since won a game.
But he had gotten a Mohawk for the team, and he was getting ready to reveal it to them, and then he got fired. Yeah, that's tough.
So he didn't even get to show off the Mohawk. So he got fired with the Mohawk.
He got fired with the Mohawk. And he didn't get to even see the team with the Mohawk.
Yeah. So he just went into the office.
Yeah. How old is he? 60? Yeah.
I mean, he's 68. 68-year-old man.
Yeah. Went into his boss's office with a Mohawk.
With a Mohawk. He's like, look, I got the answer.
Got fired. Mohawk.
And then he had to walk out of the office. Yeah.
Fired with a Mohawk on it. And then go home and tell his wife, I just got fired today when he had a mohawk.
And they're like, wait, did they fire you because of the hair? It was like, no, it was a 12-game losing streak. Yeah, you got to keep the mohawk at least for one day, right? No, you got to demand that you get to at least speak to the players and show them the mohawk.
I would keep the mohawk until my next job interview. But show them the mohawk and hope that they win and then be like, hey, you sure you wanted to fire me? Because the Mohawk worked.
I actually think it's kind of fucked up to fire. Maybe he'll do like TV and still have like the outline in a couple weeks.
It's so funny. It's fucked up to fire a manager in the middle of the losing streak.
You got to make him dig his own way out of the losing streak. Right.
You got to fire him the day after. Yeah.
Joe Girardi too. Tough weekend for, tough week for managers named Joe.
He got fired a couple weeks ago, right? Yeah. Yeah.
There used to be two Joe managers. I know.
Now there's zero. I know.
Is that true? That's true. Yeah.
No more Joes? No more Joes. Fuck.
Someone's going to be like, dude, what about the Royals manager? Like, I don't know. Don't care.
Ned Yost? No. Who is the...

Let's see.

Let's see who the Royals manager is.

Actually, it is Joe.

It is Ned Yost still.

Is it?

No, it's Mike Matheny.

Mike Matheny?

Mike Matheny is the dumbest guy in the world.

I love Mike Matheny.

He's very funny.

He is.

He just...

So he just moved...

Moved across state.

Wow.

I'm happy Mike Matheny's back. He is a total dum-dum.
Okay, Billy. My shoes back is the Peaky fucking Blinders.
Oh, nice. Yeah, so the new episodes came out on Friday, new season, season six, and I just binge-watched it all day.
It's awesome. It's like sick historical fiction.
You thinking about joining a gang? We are a gang Wait, wait, wait Billy, when you said historical fiction

Do you just mean like a fiction show that is set

In the past?

In the past?

Yeah

But like it involves historical events

That's true

It's just more

It does

It's more historical fiction than the past episodes

Yeah

So it's like, whoa

Right

Yeah, like time traveling

It's a good Who's Back

Yeah

Alternative But it just came out It's really good stuff Are like time traveling. It's a good Who's Back.
Yeah. I'll turn it.

But it just came out.

It's really good stuff.

That was your Who's Back last Monday?

I think so.

No, we talked about it.

Oh, no.

It was Cool Throne.

No, we talked about it.

If it was, then we're going to have to take...

I'm going to take emoji away.

No, we talked about it, but it finally came out.

Because I said it was coming out on Friday.

I think it was in the course of a conversation.

Yeah.

Because we were doing British accents and stuff.

We were.

And then, yeah. Off of fucking Shelby.
Off of fucking Shelby. Yeah, he's great in this one.
Oh, he told me. Also, who's back? America, the Barstool store.
Go there right now. We have a bunch of America merch that's coming out.
This shirt you see right here, my DILF shirt. Damn, I love freedom.
It's coming out. There's also a MILF shirt.
Dude, I love freedom. Dude, I yeah, dude, I love freedom.
And then there's a MILF shirt that's Man, I Love Freedom. We have a house divided back in my place with Mincy because he thinks I stole it from him.
Yeah. He created MILF? Yeah, he's the MILF guy at Parsley.
He thinks he created MILF? He created MILF, Man, I Love Fall, and Man, I Love Football. Yeah, but I think he's forgotten about it because Old Miss won and they're going on.
Whatfs. I know I do.
Turns out Ben's the milf guy. If you're doing any type of milf content in the Barstool office, you got to report to you guys have like a actual argument about who created milf.
Neither of you did. But I know he like I just try to do the shirt.
He hasn't spoken to me since he found out and like I pass him all the the time i think i might put out a rival shirt that just says uh fucking a man yeah i had a i had a i had a shirt i'm gonna talk to merch tomorrow this you might see this come to life this week but uh it would just be like a picture of the sun on the front and then the back would say low-key heat stroke vibes but like in like the cursive writing like like uh like brianna chicken fries like hungover like yeah loki heat remember the summer of loomy yeah duh loomy was sick i still that hat hell yeah the loomy hat yeah didn't bubba design the did the design for it yeah he did yes yes uh all right good good who's back um not taking an emoji away uh jake my who's back is birthday reminders. I have this in my phone.
Today, Monday, is Hank's birthday. Happy birthday, Hank.
Wait, it is? Yep. And I have the reminder in my phone because we missed it last year.
And we ordered Papa Diaz on his birthday. And we were supposed to do it again this year.
So I'm glad I didn't remind you guys. Oh, so we will tomorrow night.
For the game. Papa Diaz, yeah.
For the game for the game. Are they still selling them? The August 25th episode, Order 29, Papadias.
Apologize to me for remembering when Selection Sunday was, and happy birthday, Hank. Happy birthday, Hank.
Thank you. Thank you, guys.
Are you 29? Order 29, Papadias. I was very worried there that you were going to say 30.
Hank, you are so old. I know.
Yeah, you are. Damn, dude.
I always said that when you turn 30 i'm going to be like very very sad you know what we got to do when you were a teenager we got to get somebody from like forbes get hank on the 30 under 30 list yeah for an executive yeah like most high-powered media executive henry lockwood yeah that'd be cool that would be oh we'll we'll make some calls um good reminder i'm not gonna do any calls bubba's laughing because i'm not doing jenny can you make a call jake make a call for hank you know what's gonna end up happening is someone's gonna email me being like i work for forbes and we'd love to feature hank and i won't reply like the bare minimum i will tell you right now i will give forbes a quote for Hank and everything that he does. Huge.
Huge quote. Huge.
Okay. What else we got? Oh, let's get to our interviews.
We got Paul Rabel, and then we have Mr. Portnoy coming after Paul Rabel.
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It is Paul Rabel. Retired Paul Rabel.
The PLL is back. We're taping this on Tuesday.
We're going to run it Monday. So the water dogs are 0-2.
0-2. The water dogs suck.
Let's start there. Have you done this intentionally? Is this an intentional thing to try to screw with those? Well, as you intro that, I have Jake Withers jersey from last year, to the best owners in sports, and he signed it for you all.
That's very nice. It can't be to us.
It's to you. No, no, no.
It's to you. Okay, great.
We put on a Hall of Fame. We put on a clinic in sports ownership last year in terms of motivating the team.
Right. This year, it's almost like we're back to square one.
I'm told that things are going to turn around maybe once we get our goalie back. Is that the case? I mean, I feel like it's the blueprint.
You guys started in last place last year, and then you finished in first. I feel like this is like a type of thing here.
Why are you keeping our goalie away from us? You know, should we just open this? Just call it what it is owner's meeting yeah it is it is yes and now you can be open with us because you're not a player and you don't have to pretend that yeah until i don't make up the rules as they go where you like rip a guy's helmet off and then you're like i'm not suspended right yeah oh so everything's on the table now from our text messages I just want to know, when do we get our goalie back?

Because it seems like PLL rigged against the Water Dogs right now.

It seems like we might need to make Paul Rabel clown commissioner t-shirts.

Wait a second.

I thought DeLuca was the one you wanted to keep.

I like DeLuca.

He showed some fight.

He showed fight.

He showed fight.

I'm trying to get Drew Snyder out of retirement.

Why?

Because I met him at Super Bowl week. We actually went out to dinner.
Great dude. Good dude.
So I was like, I want you back on the team. I don't think he's going to come out of retirement.
I'm not sure. I don't think that's going to happen.
Now, would you come out of retirement? Can we get you to be on the Waterdogs? Because that would actually be, if we lost, but I can blame you, it would make me feel a lot better. Right i think i think i i can after this season my rights are with the cannons now oh so we can start negotiations okay now right now so wait how how's the knee feeling because i know you got like a big surgery right yeah yeah it's not great so like overall body um you know like you're six out of ten really my knees are six out of 10 right now.
And now is that- Are you going to try to get back to 10 out of 10? Because you're obviously retired. Right.
Well, sort of. I'm staying fit.
Does it hurt? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you're staying fit.
Yeah, yeah. So it sounds like you're not closing a door.
Yeah. Well, look, guys.
Man, this is really going in this direction. Yeah, we're going to bring you out of retirement.
You had to have known. We do every interview.
I think we interviewed Barry Sanders, and we're like, so, really retired? Barry left early. Barry left early.
I'm 36, so I think I kind of got out at the right time. LeBron is 37.
Yeah. LeBron's 37.
Yeah. Yeah, and Nadal's 36.
I'm 37. Yeah.
and you're 38 i'm no i'm 27 27 yeah i still got my best years ahead of me yeah so it's i think we all do yeah yeah with the dogs if i came back and played in purple yeah i think it'd be fun it'd be fun to play it'd be good to be on the same team wouldn't it yeah now is this yeah is this tampering are we tampering with you right now since you're under contract technically but who's gonna get us in trouble your brother right it would have to be him or my dad yeah i mean everything's on the table right now because i i'm not i'm leaving no stone unturned and how to turn around these water dogs because i'm not going to go through a start of a season like i did last year i'll move the team you i swear to god i'll I'll move the team. You guys just signed Billy.
No. He shot the ball 97 miles an hour.
Yeah, so about that. Billy's been going around the office telling everybody that he shot the ball 100 miles an hour.
Right. We all saw the video.
At no point did it ever break 100 miles per hour. Hyperbole guy.
You rounded up, didn't you? Well, if I had another shot, I would have gone 100. But you did have another shot.
I went 86, 94, 97.

If I was allowed a fourth shot, which I wasn't, I would have gone 103.

Well, here's the real question.

Was the gun juiced?

I mean, you've seen, Jake, you've seen a lot of lacrosse shots.

I mean, 97.

Let's just say it was all 10-year-olds in line and Billy.

Ooh.

A radar is a radar.

A radar is a radar. Well, no, there are juiced guns.
There are. I mean, that's absolutely a thing.
I mean, what was the fastest you have shot before the 97? I shot 87 in eighth grade. Okay.
Wow. 87 in eighth grade.
I was like this size in eighth grade. That's real.
That Jack movie with Robin Williams. That's kind of how he's aged throughout life.
What was your fastest shot ever, Paul? 114. Wow.
Wow. And what's the fastest shot ever in lacrosse? 121, I think.
Jesus Christ. Who is that? A kid who doesn't play professional lacrosse.
Can we get him on the water dogs? Probably. And just have him shoot? Probably.
He's huge. Yeah.
Great. Looks like the rock.
How do you save 121 miles an hour?

You don't.

Right.

You get hit with it.

Right.

So let's get him to just stand at the top of the circle, pass it to him.

Yeah.

How would it work if you got like a seven-footer in lacrosse?

Yeah.

It'd be pretty hard to get the ball out of their hands if they just held their stick

all the way above their head.

It's a good point.

I mean, like, what if they just walked like this?

I mean, he could body check you.

You can't just walk through the field.

Yeah, but also this guy's like the size of the mountain there yeah you didn't let me finish that was the part the mountain you want to sign the mountain yeah can we make an offer yeah you could definitely make an offer let's sign the mountain okay the mountain i know that you're big awl big time stoolie the mountain we are officially offering you a contract on the water dogs right now to be our designated shooter for how much name your price yeah name your price how you're like the live tour yeah what gets it done for the mountain yeah whatever whatever whatever gets the sun 100k on are we allowed to take on Saudi money is that on the table yeah have you thought about that in terms of your uh investment when you're doing like a, what is it?

Series B?

Yeah.

What's Series C's money?

You know, look, you guys are shareholders.

We're business guys.

Yeah.

We're business guys.

I mean, we're well capitalized.

We're not looking for outside capital.

But if we were. We've got churning.

Yeah, that's true.

That's true.

What else do you need?

I've got barstool money.

That's worse.

That's worse than the Saudi money.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

All right.

So I actually think the big, like just a really tall dude holding the ball over his head.

I don't know how you stop that i don't know the thing about tall athletes is they they aren't the most agile but they cover a lot of ground with a stride right yeah so they don't really change it's like dk metcalf he's a really tall i mean he's got everything he's fucking insane yeah he can't go 90 degrees though And he doesn't have everything because he tried to have a foursome, and he didn't get it. So he does not have everything.
He couldn't get it? No. That you know of? Well, no.
He got publicly rejected. Yeah.
Publicly. He's not a man who has everything.
That time. Yeah.
Kind of a beta, if you ask me. I do want to compliment you, Paul, because the PLO obviously has been very successful.
Your new deal with ESPN is awesome thank you I watched the water dogs just because I basically am at the point now where I tune into every water dogs game just so I can get more information to hate on them um but it's like seeing the broadcast on ESPN plus is great um how like overall what year is this three four four four how would, like, do you think you're where you wanted to be? Yeah, I would say so. We are, we're really excited about how it's progressed.
A lot of attention, a lot of viewership, a lot of sponsorship. Players are excited.
More fans than we've ever had. And I think in sports you want to hit that, like, big turn.
like the hockey stick curve um and uh we were just talking outside with josh richard and uh he played lacrosse and a lot of these like tiktokers played lacrosse and uh they might be to what like hip-hop was to basketball in the 90s tiktok artists are to lacrosse that kind of tracks yeah yeah i mean i mean he was just on his wall in la having a catch and i was like this fucking guy play lacrosse and so i don't know between uh kind of culturally trying to get people more excited about lacrosse more sports fans into the game this is a game that's been around for over a thousand years we did a documentary on it right yeah which is now june 15th yeah that we're in it yeah so what do we look good i don't remember signing a consent form your executives did i think someone has signed you to wherever why would you we're shareholders in the same as why would you why would you sue us i will see how the angles if i look fat in it i will sue that's that's a fact there was a moment in 2019 in our first interview where we sat down and you were asking about mll which is the group that then we acquired after 2020 yeah yeah we've been through a lot it's it's been uh quite a run but the stories have been incredible supporters now do you think that um the model that you've chosen to use which i like where it's no team has a specific city do you think that the model that you've chosen to use, which I like, where it's no team has a specific city, do you think that hurts attendance a little bit because you don't have the natural – you basically have to decide who you're going to be a fan of? Yeah. Well, I think that that has got us to this position of success.
But where we want to go, that hockey stick curve, we're going to have to create, I think, that geo model that geo model at some point right because the novelty it's just like what you guys do when you run these bits and stuff like you have to make a decision to continue the bits because they're hot or like turn it and do something new and it's no there's another option is just keep running the bit and then it gets bad and then it gets good again it gets good because it's so bad i know that's the model i know what you're doing right now and you're trying to feel out when we're gonna flip on the water dogs yeah never become like the biggest no but you've never been a supporter no no so you're talking you're a heel you're gonna turn to a face of the dogs and then we're gonna take it down to we're gonna become such heels that we end up being faces no no i mean if they keep playing like this keep playing like this, I'm going to move the team to Juarez. Yeah.
That's the next step for us. Yeah.
Or Qatar. Qatar.
Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
We'll be the richest team. We will.
Yes. With a great stadium with air conditioning.
Yes. We're going to sell our souls.
So we might do the geo model. Do we get to decide where the water dogs are placed? We'll have a conversation.
Should we have a conversation now? You guys are in New York. Should the dogs be in New York? No, I want it to be...
Tri-state. No, no, no, no.
Let's put the water dogs... You need to go to a game.
You haven't been to a fucking game yet. Rikers Island.
The Rikers Island water dogs. Ralph John, Maryland.
Can we have them play on an aircraft carrier that's out in the middle of the ocean? That's a great idea. You're in no man's land, international it becomes like the amsterdam of the pll great aesthetic don't have to worry about tickets yeah right honestly i would say you worry about tickets now do with the water dogs the way they're playing we have all water water dogs fans i saw concern they were by far the most we have the best fans worst team best fans yeah if you did on an aircraft carrier then boom it's just we become like the military team yeah and then you It's impossible to root against the water fans.
Worst team, best fans. Yeah.
If you did on an aircraft carrier, then boom. It's just we become like the military team.

Yeah.

And then it's impossible to root against the water dogs or else you hate freedom.

Right.

And so we do it out there on international waters.

Anything goes. It does.

We sell a limited amount of tickets.

So like 50 to 100 tickets to people from the mainland.

And you can go out there on almost like an exclusive bachelor, bachelorette type vacation.

Oh, it's like celebrity cruises. Do anything you want on the boat.
Yes. Anything.
Yes. Anything.
Anything. I'm talking like score goals.
Yeah. Right.
Because they don't do that. Foursomes.
DK will get out there. DK will come.
Like crazy shit the Water Dogs never thought of. Right.
Yeah. They suck.
I have a question for you guys. So we have All-Star Game coming up.
Yep. And speaking of changing atmospheres, we are going to offer our fans the chance to suggest rules so we can pilot.
Because we want to continue to look at the sport not only from an operations standpoint but also from a gameplay. Yeah.
Exploding ball. So it's almost like a shot you guys name exploding okay so much like you guys name the water dogs yeah name your rule yeah exploding ball pass that through now yeah it's like it's reasonably the ball becomes a grenade almost and so if you don't score it's like a shot clock if you don't score or shoot within a lot of time period then the ball explodes in your stick yeah okay how do Okay.
How do we make that? I'm an ideas guy. Yeah, you can paint a grenade, I guess.
That would be one way to do it. I think the goal should get bigger as the game goes along.
Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.
So, like, first quarter, it's the regular size, and then it gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Yeah.
So, in the fourth quarter, you have, like, chaos, where it's like the scoring picks up, and everyone's like, holy shit, this is awesome. And people will be shooting from midfield.
Midfield, right. Comebacks, like everything.
How about this one? There are fights in lacrosse. How about the winner of the fight doesn't have to go to the sin bin? Oh, that's good.
So if you lose, you have to serve the penalty. Then, yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
What is the shot clock right now? 52 seconds. Yeah, we got to get that smaller.
It's got to get 30. I just want more shots.
I like that for all-star. I always think there has to be more shots in a game, more action.
So, yeah, I don't know what. We could shorten the field, take the shot clock down to 30 seconds.
Make the goals bigger. Make the goals bigger.

More scoring is always the answer.

Yeah, three-point arc.

I like that.

Or the money ball.

Or just bring the money ball.

So when you put one certain ball in play, that one is worth three points.

Yeah.

Okay.

How often do we put it in play?

All the time.

I would like to see a quarter.

Scoring goes way up.

I like the money ball.

I'd like to see a quarter where there were two balls in action at the same time.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah, we got that one from Top Gun.

Dogfight lacrosse.

That would actually be cool, though.

If you're trying to figure out where the...

It'd be tough for the broadcasters.

Right, right, really tough.

But man, would that be cool.

Yeah, yeah.

This doesn't really have as much to do with lacrosse as it does with Top Gun,

but what about a sport where it's like Quidditch,

but all the players, instead of flying around on brooms in harry potter they're in f-18s oh wow well you gotta get your pilot license yeah i think i i probably just need to talk to the military about that right here's an idea all right so you got sounds like the most expensive sport of all time yeah it sounds incredible though i'll watch so what about this how many guys are on the field? Ten. Ten on each team.
Yeah. So we add an 11th on each side, and then we start the game where all 11 are on the line, and there's a ball, and one team is on offense, and one team is on defense, and the offensive team tries to put the ball into the end zone, and the defensive team tries to stop them.
It's like capture the flag. One player can throw the ball forward.

Or run it, and you've got to tackle him and stop him from getting into the end zone.

The games are on Sundays, and then Monday night you have a game, too.

This could be a big sport I'm telling you about right now.

What if you just change it to football and just said it was lacrosse?

People would watch.

Like, tune into lacrosse.

Isn't this football? No, it's lacrosse. Are you guys going to watch the XFL? Probably not.
It depends. No? I might play in the XFL.
I haven't decided yet. So I tried out last time.
I got cut, unfortunately. And I have to make the decision because I am getting into my late 20s now.
Do I really want to put in the time over the summer to work out and to get in shape to try out again in the fall?

Have you played lacrosse?

I've never played lacrosse, no.

Should we make this happen?

Can we make this happen?

I don't.

No, the thing is.

I'll work out.

Yeah, no, Billy.

All right, Billy's acting like.

Not interested.

No, no, but we just don't know what Billy just said.

Billy said that he's going to train me to be a professional lacrosse player,

which is just the most delusional thing he's ever said.

Because, Billy, you think that you could actually play in this league. You're actually built like a prime attackman.
Like, you and Rob Pinnell are the same build. I don't know who that is.
Dude, legend. He's a great player.
Yeah? He's a great player. Do I look? You've got good hair for lacrosse.
I do have the flow. I've got the lettuce.
I think I'm, like, too short to be a lacrosse player, though. You can use it to your advantage, like soccer.
Yeah. Get low.
Get underneath gravity a little bit quicker so wait when is um you asked xfl the i'm a big like sports seasons i respect the seasons like as soon as football i love football obviously i wish it was football season right now but once football's over in in february it's like all right i like i need a break i want to watch some college basketball basketball. I want to watch some NBA.
So when they're playing football against college basketball, I'm like, I'd rather watch college basketball. I want to watch college basketball.
When is the championship in the PLL this year? September 18th. So that's the problem.
We've got to move that up. We've got to move it up.
We've got to move it up. That's another thing.
That sports calendar is very important. Even the fact that every Memorial that every memorial day no matter what i know i'm gonna watch the national championship college see the problem be labor day the challenge is then our season's so short but i i i just think double headers yeah we could do doubles we could start a little bit earlier a little bit earlier start earlier and and and labor day beL championship day.
Our championship game and semifinals kind of crush when it comes to tickets. We sell like 15,000 tickets to those games.
But I bet you get, I guess what Big Cat's getting at is if it's competing against college football or NFL, then it's tough to get people to tune in on TV. Yeah.
Especially if the Water Dogs aren't playing. Right, and you pick a day that's, like I said day i don't i'm like i'm gonna i always tune into the areas the day before no it is memorial day yeah so labor day can be there's usually no college football on labor day yeah labor day is the pll day yep this is the type of owners conversations that we have yeah we're doing live now let's do that what about this um it kind of goes against what big cat was saying about the sports seasons but i love snow football what about snow lacrosse snow lacrosse is good have you played i have i bet that really is like a different game it's a different game especially in college because the balls are white so you can't really see the balls that's tough which is tough our balls are optic yellow same color as tennis balls yeah as you guys know the way, I didn't even mention the fact that Big Ten brothers now.
Yeah. Congrats.
Yeah. I didn't know that.
Yeah. Johns Hopkins in the Big Ten.
That's right. How'd that work? They put a bid in for them.
Johns Hopkins was originally going to go to the ACC, and then they backed out. And now they're in the Big Ten.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because people were trying to test my lacrosse knowledge. They're like, who's in the- And you were all over it.
I was like was like google who's in the big 10 lacrosse i mean your your engagement was through the roof this weekend yeah i was yeah you're all i get very upset about the water dogs they stink i would too yeah and also the second game can i say this real quick because this obviously this is i'm talking about week one the second game who played in that game chrome whip snakes maybe no no second game was atlas redwoods fuck both those teams don't like them no they over under was 23 and a half and they had 12 goals in the first quarter and they scored two goals in the second and three goals in the third i wanted to throw my phone through the tv what's your clp this week uh i don't know i should probably start doing lacros for lacrosse. I think everything's still like a point and a half.
Let me see. Yeah, but that was a travesty of an over.
We got halfway there in the first quarter, and they just stopped scoring. That's the excitement of it, though.
No, that's not the excitement. That's what I'm saying.
You need to make sure that overs hit. The over hits all the time.
I know. I need the over to hit all the time.
Problem is, since we pay the guys more and they're on national television, the coaches and the GMs are so into this thing that the intensity is ratcheted up and defenses are fucking so tough. So yeah.
What about a goal? So it's locked down. It's kind of like NFL a little bit.
And as the season goes, you'll see more scoring. But early on, it's just defense versus defense.
What about a goal bounty? What if for every goal scored, everybody on the team splits in a set amount of money that gets put out? So every goal, $1,000, you split between everyone that's on the field at that time. So you think they're holding back on scoring.
I'm just saying, like, you grease the wheels a little bit. A goal bounty, and then you could follow along, and there would be a metric on the screen that shows how much money the players have made.
So there's a purse for each game.

Maybe that's our all-star idea.

Yeah, just put a bunch of money in a giant pot.

Yeah.

And be like, this is what they're competing for.

Yeah.

Maybe actually just put a ladder with a suitcase full of money at midfield and whoever can climb it.

Have it just be a literal ladder match during the PLL All-Star game.

What do you think about instead of a face-off, like the old, speaking of XFL, the old ball in the middle, both sides just rush. Everyone gets injured, though.
It was a good idea. Everyone gets injured.
Except I think on the very first one they did in the XFL, somebody tore their ACL. Yeah, we can't.
That was not a great way to do it. We can't have ourselves getting injured.
We can't. No.
Like, as much as I hate the water dogs, I don't root for injuries. Let's pivot real quick to something a little bit more positive.
Okay. I think there's an announcement that you want to make in terms of our darling Jake.
Oh, yeah. Our darling Jake is stepping back into the booth to announce a game this year.
Why were you hesitant around sharing which game you're calling? I don't know if I'm allowed to say that yet. I could be.
Because of ESPN? Yeah, I don't know if they want me to yet. I just said it's coming up.
Jake's a big rules guy, but I think you can say. I offered him a drink on the sideline at the game, and he didn't accept.
I feel like if you said it, he wouldn't get out of it. You didn't have a water with you.
He has to have a water every time he has a drink. But yeah, Paul, if you want to say what game it is.
He will be calling the games in Baltimore, Maryland. Whoa.
Let's go, Jake. So when is that? That's going to be when this is airing next Saturday, June 25th.
Oh, hell yeah. Huge.
Good attendance in Baltimore. We usually sell that one out.
Are you going to be doing the whole weekend? No, just the doubleheader Saturday. Saturday.
Is Water Dogs part of that? No. Damn.
I know he's pissed about it. That's actually good, though, because I would have.
Happened for the opportunity. Yeah.
If you said anything nice about the Water Dogs, I would have been mad at you. Right.
So it's good that you stay out of that. I'm not sure they're even Waterdogs guys, to be honest.
You were in Archer's shorts. Oh, no, Billy's not.
Billy's a Redwoods shirt. If you had Archer's shorts on, didn't you? Paul, you got to understand.
Oh, it's RJ? Paul, you got to understand something. Give me tons of gear.
Billy, he's like low-key. He's upset that he does not own the Waterdogs with us because he in his head is like, I like lacrosse.
That was early days. I should own them.
It was just early. So he's like even said it to me like, yo, low key, can I have your ownership in the Water Dogs? I'm like, no.
No. So he's now he's kind of acting out being an archers fan.
He's going through a phase. Redwoods.
I mean, it's going to be worth over a billion dollars. Yeah, I know.
Yeah. It's going to be sick.
It's going to be huge. We're going to we're going to be especially when we're in Qatar.
Yeah. We're literally going to be on a purple yacht.
On boats in the Pacific. I'm going to have to invest in handball or something.
Yeah. Like paddle tennis.
Now, would you say that Jake is a better lacrosse player than Billy is? Because I don't know if you saw Jake's shot, but he fired one past Billy. Top cheddar.
Yeah. We should have gotten you on that juice gun.
Yeah. I'm see what you would have gotten how about on rough and rowdy you fight someone in the PLL I'm retired just want to know yeah go out undefeated what if what if we what if you we put you on a roster if you beat a PLL player up like Connor you're on the chrome you take on Connor Farrell you beat him you're on chrome dude he's a tank he's a tank so is Jose Canseco I know but this guy actually might like fight back how bad do you want this job though Billy what job being a perfect you could be a professional athlete I'm already a professional athlete yes I'm a professional boxer well no that's actually that would that would be hype.
I think it would be better to squash league beefs in the ring. Okay.
I think that because that would be great cross promotion. True.
So another thing about Billy, I don't know if you saw the video of the shot that he was trying to show off and shoot it as hard as he could past Jake, I believe, was in the net. No, it was Dugues.
Shout out Dugues. Oh, it was Dugues in the net.
And he cocked back and he really did a lot of wrist flicking and the whole nine yards showing off a little bit. What happened? And then the ball just fell out of his cradle.
No, my stick had no hold. Is that what? Yeah.
But his fault was that? Who strung your stick? Some guy. I think it was you.
I think you strung your stick. What did that feel like? I mean, that's definitely happened to you once.
It's happened. Never.
It happens. Never.
It's never happened to you. Yeah.
I mean, I pick up the stick first time in six years, just like try to crank one. Was that your first shot? It was one of them.
Got it. Were you talking to Belichick the other day? Yeah.
How'd that go? Pretty good. He's a big fan of the sport, right? He loves the PLL.
He actually follows and watches the games? Yeah, he opener. He's, like, deep into training camp right now, but he's obsessed with lacrosse.
He was recognized at the Tourton ceremony, which is, like, essentially the Heisman for college lacrosse. He was recognized as the Spirit Award winner, which is basically, like, Legacy Award.
And he had a – the event started at 6. He had his private jet leaving one Patriot place at three 30.
Um, and then there's a ton of traffic. So they held the event to start for him to come.
He got there, he did some interviews and the people that run in the event were like, uh, you know, is a coach gonna give some acceptance remarks? And I was like, yeah, I'm sure he will. Like, what do we need? He didn't send a speech in and they have teleprompters and i'm like oh he'll be fine he'll probably say a few words the man talked for like 15 minutes that's awesome because he is obsessed with lacrosse and i think that that's like belichick anyone who's like said a story about him if you can get him talking about something he's really interested in and it's not like the routine media like how how the guys play today like i mean he was talking about writing and clearing and face-offs and stick work against the wall and did you win the heisman i did not how close were you i came in second twice shit i know i'm still pissed have you ever won the the spirit award i have not wait was it bullshit do you think no do you think you should have won i do yeah i think i should have won what was, was there politicking involved? What was the reason why you didn't win? I mean, we can roll out conspiracy around that.
Yeah. I know that I felt like I was a test dummy.
I won the championship my junior year, lost the Touraton, lost the championship my senior year, lost the Touraton. Went the other way both times.
Right. Because, like, the Heisman, usually, like usually the best player on the winning team gets it.
Yeah, doesn't win the title. So who won instead of you? Matt Donowski, my junior year.
And then Mike Lavelle, my senior year. So have you ever talked to Belichick about when he's done coaching the Patriots, if he would ever want to become a coach in the PLL? Yes.
You think he's interested? Yes. Whoa.
Now that would be awesome. Okay, I want him.
For the Waterdogs. Wow.
Maybe that's what you. That's our money ball is we just get the greatest sports coach of all time.
Mortgage everything. Yeah.
We don't care how old he is. He's not a part of a, actually, you don't have to mortgage anything.
You just go start negotiating with him. Yeah.
So here's what we're going to do. Andy Copeland's not going to feel great about it.
I think he'd understand. We won't be the coach by then.

I think he'd understand if it was Belichick.

Do you think that, like, you know, just given his history with the sport

and also, you know, his career being, you know, a great head coach

in a different sport, how long do you think it would take him

to seamlessly transition into being a professional lacrosse coach?

Do you think it could be done?

I feel like he would win in the first three seasons of coaching if not sooner I mean I don't think he really coaches football he just coaches he coaches human beings he's so good at that right I mean the the number of draft picks that come out of nowhere that turn into stars and I mean even even lacrosse players he has a knack for bringing them over into the NFL.

I think he understands the nuance of sports and blueprint of winning better than anyone.

Yeah, and he also would put smart people around him.

Smart people around him.

He commands insane amount of respect.

Yep.

I mean, I think I told you guys this,

but when I first met him,

he came to a Hopkins practice.

He stepped into the locker room

and was motherfucking us up and down around our stick work and this six-on-six possession. He's got photographic memory.
So he then just commands a room. And all of a sudden you listen to Bill Belichick coach you on lacrosse and you're bought in.
Right. I want him.
I want him. We want him.
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Based on the February 2024 Nielsen Report, learn more at discover.com credit card last question real real question give us the five years where are we at in five years i know you've thought about it you've done a dream board with it yeah where where what does it look like what's like the big benchmark that we should be looking so the sport's sport's going to be getting ready for the Olympics in 28 and five years. Okay.
That'll be huge. We're finishing a pitch in July.
You guys should come to it. In where is it? Birmingham, Alabama out.
Okay. No, I love it.
I'll catch a USFL game. Okay.
The PLL will be a top six sport in North America.

It's competitive now.

I used to say, we always talk about the big four, but it'll be a top six.

So you say top six, that means number six.

Someone's got to go.

Who's going?

Who's five?

Soccer?

It could be.

I mean, we're in the summer, so soccer's a force globally.

And MLS, I think, is the second most important league to get in right now in the world and that's outside the box because the premier league's number one but every being a part of american sports is just where all the commercial rights are what's what's lacrosse right now penalty minute no no no i'm saying in the um oh i think we're probably seven or eight yeah yeah I'm trying to think of what else would be like obviously soccer. Rugby.
Well, football, basketball, baseball. Hockey.
Hockey. Then you have like golf, UFC.
Tennis. Tennis.
Rugby. I'm going to keep saying rugby until you acknowledge it.
We're ahead of rugby. MLR rating is pretty good this year.
Yeah, pretty good. F1.
Starting to make a run. Yeah run yeah i mean everyone wants live sports because it's the last any firewall for advertising dollars and it's like we'll be in a good spot either way we're gonna be a good spot yeah so uh the business is growing i think in five years we'll be in markets for sure uh so we have to figure out where the water dogs are going to be uh we'll still i think we'll renew and we'll be with a big network partner like espn uh we need to turn our athletes into celebrities i think that's what makes the nba so exciting it's like literally these guys are a-listers playing on the floor every other night it's like if the kardashians played hoop right right you need to get guys uh more on like social media and stuff interacting what do you i mean what do you think makes a star? Basketball is tough because it's just like the league, obviously, where it's gone.
It didn't happen overnight. It's happened a long, long time.
You know what I mean? Magic and Bird, Jordan, all these things, LeBron, Kobe, you know, the star stars that rise everyone else up with it. I don't know.
I just think that I think lacrosse players do need to do a better job of being accessible, being online, you know, tweeting each other like this league type of shit, which is kind of annoying, but also definitely sells. It's a similar culture in lacrosse as in baseball and hockey, where it's like kind of mum is the word.
Yeah, don't say anything. Just put on your helmet yeah what can we i mean the water dogs don't aren't active on social maybe that's the issue that i could be it you could do um in the nba they always have like the videos of the guys walking into the locker room beforehand yeah where they're wearing like ridiculous outfits yeah just force people to wear stupid clothes right oh man i can't believe this guy's wearing we have gq sports that wants to feature our pregame fits this year.
Nice. We've got to do big documentary films like we're doing.
Yep. Behind the scenes.
What the fall is that? Yeah. What's our drive to survive? Our hard knocks.
Hard knocks. Massively distributed on HBO or Netflix or E+.
Yeah. The two other big things, gambling obviously is big.
So making people, I think it's pretty straightforward what you're gambling on with PLL. It's not like a confusing thing, game to gamble on.
And then an awesome video game. Video game is huge.
Like if you could get a video game that is very fun to play and like just the gameplay is great, that is such a key to opening up so many doors. Should it be like Madden is to football or NBA Jam was to hoops? See, that's a tricky question.
You could almost make it a mini game in Madden where you could do a side quest as Bill Belichick where you now coach a lacrosse team and then you play the lacrosse game inside of Madden. Yeah.
That would be huge. But I feel like NBA Jam lacrosse would be fun.
Yeah. But a video game is yeah but a video game is very important grenade balls yeah yeah yeah exactly you could have a lot of fun with that type of stuff you just have a bunch of kids who like you think about it when you were a kid and you loved the sport you played the video game that's how i learned about tony hawk right right and how i learned about chelsea football clubs through fifa right yeah right otherwise i had no interest in all those things.
Yeah. So, okay.

So it's a video game.

Our team's expansion into markets,

gambling,

fighting,

fighting.

Yeah.

Uh,

documentaries,

docu series,

some kind of big controversy,

huge controversy.

Athletes become celebrities,

more beer tents,

more beer,

more beer at games.

There's only two.

Yeah.

He,

I looked under your chair when you left, there was like at least a dozen beers. That was also dukes.
That was also dukes. At least a dozen beers.
Take an emoji away. I was excited about that.
50-50 raffle at games. Yeah.
Yeah. We do that.
Okay. Yeah.
What's it get to? I don't know. Maybe 10,000? We need to juice the pot.
Juice the pot. Yeah.
Can we get you guys to games? No. Why not? Depends.
I have to ask you. How far? Remember last year you said anything you want.
It depends on where you need a bottle. Yeah, and you said Long Island.
I said no. Is it how far? What if? Is it in the office? Yeah.
Long Island is a game coming up. No.
Or we could do Baltimore when Jake's calling it. No.
We've got to watch them on TV. Come on.
You know that. What if we figure out a way to fly you private? Maybe.
Now we're in Vegas. Does it land on the field? We could, if it's a helicopter.
Okay. Vegas? Oh, Long Island.
We could helicopter you into Long Island. Yeah, when's Long Island? Two weeks after Tribeca.
So you're going to come to Tribeca. It's Wednesday the 15th at 8 o'clock.
I know you have kids at home. Nope.
Out. How about this? I'm not saying that as a mean thing.
I think that's actually nice of me to say it to your face instead of being like, I think it actually bad to be like, oh, I'll be there. Yeah, save me a seat.
Like no, I'm out right I might go. No offense.
I might go save me a seat. So helicopter.
I want to watch the documentary We what's gonna be on after we're figuring that out now beautiful I've got I will watch it if I guarantee that well, you're in it. You're you're actually in the You guys roll credits.
Love it. It's a fantastic part.

You set the scene for the whole fucking film.

I love it.

I'm going to watch it.

I'm very excited for that. It took us a while to get the release, though.

Yeah.

Because your legal team is tough.

I wish we hadn't given it to you.

Right.

I wish I hadn't given you those shares.

I wish we had held out.

I know.

I wish I had held out.

I would like to have them back.

Real talk, if you can get us in a room with Belichick at one of these games, then I would

go.

If we could interview Bill Belichick, we will go. Let's do it for All-Star.
Let's do it for All-Star. Do we want to do that? If we could interview him at the game.
I think I'm on vacation. July? Wow.
I can't. We're trying to set up.
I only take one vacation a year. We need to the football season getting BB on.
This is true. We don't take vacations on this show.
I don't take vacations. My family would kill me if I'm the one vacation.
July is like the only month that we don't have non-stop you're taking the whole month yeah well i'll be i'll be in and out of the office where you going i'm just going out east that's what you gotta say when you that's like when you say the hamptons yeah it's like when you say where'd you go to college and you say right outside boston okay it's harvard i get it all right so don't don't make that ask yet. Well, yeah, it's because that's beach month for us.

Yeah.

Okay.

So it's going to be tough to pry away from Jersey Shore.

All-Stars at Gillette.

You won an interview with Bill Belichick.

And then we'll go to any game you won.

That I will agree to.

That's going to be super hard.

It's gotten more difficult to get him on media because of those text messages

and all that shit.

Wait, what's harder?

Getting Bill Belichick on Pardon My Take or getting Pardon My Take to a PLL game? Pretty much the same. That's an unstoppable force for some movable objects.
Right, right. I guess you're right.
I mean, you could frame it like... I could make it happen.
These guys are owners of the team. Yeah.
And what if... We could talk to him about lacrosse.
We'd also ask him about football, but lacrosse would be a talking pool. All right, so private.
No, we don't even need to be a private. That's off the table now.
Straight up, Belichick for us. Belichick on PMT, PMT at PLL.
Done. Easy as could be.
That literally is the easiest trade we've ever made, and we will go anywhere to get Belichick. Who wins in that deal? I think everyone.
Everybody wins. a win-win that's everyone wins that's a true win-win that's a dream to get belichick on pmt absolutely yeah god he would be so good it would be incredible it would be incredible and also if we could have steve in the background just making weird he would be so good too yeah he would be fantastic he played lacrosse at ruckers yeah yeah all right so we're this is.
We made some progress. So it makes sense.
That's going to be my angle.

A lot of synergy here. You guys are going to talk PLL.

Yep.

If he comes on the show, no NFL.

Yeah.

We'll tell you whatever you want to hear.

Right?

That's fine.

Yeah, definitely.

We can say that.

No football questions.

Cool.

Great.

At all.

Great.

All right.

Well, Paul Rabel, this is good.

This is productive.

Always great to see you.

Congratulations on everything.

I sincerely mean that. Love being on here.
The ESPN deal is awesome. The documentary is awesome.
I'm going to keep watching the PLL. This is one of those things where you've tricked me into just watching lacrosse on the weekends.
Yeah. No, I do watch.
You know I watch because I comment on things that you have to watch to see. You own shares in a company that's going to be north of a billion dollars soon yeah my that purple yacht's gonna be sick we're gonna just be honking the horn while well uh billy's in his kayak is that where you're gonna name your yacht water dog yeah water dog it's not bad yeah that's pretty good uh all right that's why we're doing it wait wait how when are we allowed to cash out our shares that's a very important question so usually when there's a liquid event So if we raise more money and as part of that, investors can take secondary if we go public or if we get bought.
Interesting. Okay.
Okay. You'll let us know.
I'll let you know. Yeah.
Yeah. We'll do another podcast when that happens.
Beautiful. And then we'll talk about what we're going to do with our money.
Yeah. right in Billy's face.
Guess what? If you're listening to the show right now,

we're going to buy homes out east.

If you want to know how to get us to stop doing this podcast,

the best way is to watch the PLL drive the ratings up,

go out to a game, increase our net worth.

That way we can sell our shares,

and then you'll never hear from us again.

Okay, here's my request.

If we get BB on PMT, can we do that episode live from the sideline of a PLL game? We won't broadcast it live, but we will record it live. Yeah, we'll stand on the sideline with him.
That's kind of cool, too. Okay, done.
Yeah, perfect. Love it.
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And now for something completely different. It's been way too long, but we figured now is a good time to have our lawyer.
What other job titles do you hold? A bunch of job titles, but our lawyer, mostly our lawyer. It is Mr.
Portnoy. He is back with us.
Do you want to start with the three words or?

Oh, my God.

Oh, no.

Was that bad that I started with that question?

You know it.

Probably.

Patriots.

Yep.

Shout-up.

Yep.

Oh, my God.

Don't tell me.

Oh, you've got it.

It's one of your best words.

Chowder.

I give up.

It's an app on your phone.

You can do it.

You can do it.

We've turned this word into a remix of our outro song on the show.

You're famous for this word.

Yeah.

It's an app on your phone.

Oh, my God.

Give me another hint. Okay.
Cars, yeah. Patriots child.
I'm sorry. It's an app on your phone that you use to get a car.
Uber. Yeah, there we go.
He's back. I'm sorry, i needed i needed some help no that's fine so i i mean first of all how are you what's going on what's new in in mr portnoy's life yeah before we start i gotta tell you something big cat okay you know what the show on now called barry you ever watch that the best i love it do you did you notice what the doofus cop his name was no wait yeah was it wait i maybe have not got is it only season three i'm three episodes in oh this is uh i don't remember which episode number it was but it is a a cop who's a doofus oh no and his uh he's investigating the death of that uh other cop oh yes yes okay and he's kind of in charge of the investigation and on the last episode that first time i noticed it they said his nickname was big cat damn that's tough to be a doofus cop.
Although, you know what? That show's so good, I'm honored because I love, love, love that show. I think it's very, very funny.
I do find it... I might have missed some...
I find it a little difficult to follow. I think it's very...
It's a dark comedy for sure. It is.
And it's... I agree with you.
It's one of those shows I was actually complaining about it. Maybe this is a sign that I'm entering the next phase of my life where the third season came out and I was like, I don't have any clue where I'm at in this storyline.
Like I lost all knowledge of the show. So I agree with you on that.
I thought a couple of episodes where the guy that wants to be the actor, that's the Dave, whatever. Bill Hader, yeah.
The star of the show. Yeah.
That he was having trouble getting connected to his phone. I thought that was unbelievable.
Yes. You know what I'm talking about? Yes, I know.
No spoilers. But yes, that was a very, very funny scene.
He has to go outside the automobile to try to connect with the phone so he can go kill somebody. Yes, yes.
Very good show. That was hilarious.
So what else besides watching Barry? What else you got going on? I have some. I know you want a complaint for me.
I can give you one. Yes.
Starts with the Boston Globe. I know you folks don't read or look at the Boston Globe.
I do, although I'm not really that happy with it. There are other publications that I think at this point are better.
Okay. But I was looking at the Globe the other day, and all of a sudden, and by the way, I have it on my app and I buy it and whatnot.
So all of a sudden, when I was looking at it, I saw it would cut in and it was telling me that I can subscribe to the globe for X amount of dollars. Of course, the problem with that is I already do subscribe to the globe and i've seen it before when that comes on that that cut it cuts in telling me i can subscribe to the globe the problem is i already do right but that's a signal that they don't have that registered somehow with them at that point somehow they don't have me all of a sudden as a subscribe.

And of course, that leads me down to the rabbit hole of trying to find out why I'm not a subscriber listed with them. And come to find out they had the email.
I only have a couple of emails. People probably have about 10 burner

counts, but I only have

two, alright?

One I use... I only have a couple of emails.
People probably have 10 burner counts.

But I have two.

One I use all the time.

The other one I hardly ever use.

So I thought for some deranged minute that maybe they're telling me that they have sent me a notice of my status.

And for one deranged minute, I think, well, maybe I shouldn't use this other email email which is not the general one I use and I'll get rid of that and just go to the one I always use and change it and obviously that sent me down a rabbit hole of maybe an hour and a half trying to get back to where I was I'm not trying to get ahead I'm just trying to get back to where I was change my email not trying to get ahead. I'm just trying to get back to where I was, change my email instead of the one, to the one I always use to this other one that they have that I never use.
And it was just a disaster. It was just a total disaster.
And I'm not exaggerating when I tell you, I was on the phone finally speaking to someone. Then we started to talk about why am I paying X amount of dollars when five minutes after I spoke to somebody, the first thing they said to me, oh, by the way, we can reduce that rate.
It was originally going to be $16, I think, for every four weeks. We got a better offer for you.
$4. When somebody drops from $16 to $4 after you say hello, what does that tell you about what you're being charged to start with? It's a good point.
I've been a customer forever, and they're charging me the highest rate they have. Yeah.
So that whole thing deteriorated, and that is my complaint. And I think I finally thought I shouldn't even say this.
I think I straightened it out. I think.
But as we're speaking right now, I'm not sure. Yeah.
A little tip to salespeople out there. Don't don't give away everything right up front because it actually it makes the customer feel worse about what they're purchasing because then they feel like they were a sucker for even talking to you.
As usual, you're on point, my friend. Thank you.
That is, and it happened so fast. After I said hello, basically said, you want to cheap a break? I mean, I didn't even get to say who I was.
You want to cheap a break? Take it, take it. And that's what happened.
I'm just happy because I thought when you initially started that complaint, I thought it was going to be a discussion about the journalism in America and the state of journalism in America. No, it's just simply a login problem.
Well, I could discuss with the state of journalism in America. I'll tell you one thing that I have a general complaint.
I cannot, I can't turn on the TV anymore. I say on CNN and one of these other channels, regardless of their political leanings.
One way, I can't because the ads drive me bananas. Wait, not the news.
Wait, not the news. I fucking hate this MyPillow guy.
Say that again? It's not the news. Nothing to do with the news.
No, nothing to do. I'm sick of William Shatner, Joe Damus, Chris Berman, Cascio, Ernie Hudson, Jimmy J.J.
Walker trying to sell me stuff. Should I get another social? If they can give me a better deal on my social security.
What about my car? What about car shields? You better get a car because you need car shields. Something's going to go wrong with your car if you don't buy car shields today.
Thank you, Joe Namath. Thank youris berman uh you better do this all these has-beens all have one thing in common i hate to say it about joe willie namath but you and you the folks know this if you're gonna oust a common sense you don't go in these ads for these crazy companies unless you need the dough right right right and when you're talking about somebody like should joe namus need money i hope not he might he might the guy gets around town yeah he might what about you what about william shatner he goes to the moon yeah that's true that one's weird and chris berman i i would say probably doesn't need the money, you know.
He likes to be on TV. Yeah, he's on TV.
This is so great, though. I love, like, we need more of this in America right now where everyone's divided.
It's we can get behind the news sucks because of the commercials, not the news. Yeah, I'm not even, I'm telling you, and not that they're worried about somebody like me, but I just can't watch anymore i don't even get i don't even get to what the the content because i can't watch it now i cannot watch it now let me ask you a question okay let me ask you a question though would that be different if you're uh the the guy that basically got you out of bed every day for four years was still in office because i feel feel like you'd still be watching cause you were on, you were on Trump's ass, like white on rice.
You know something? I'm going to answer one thing. I'm going to say to you right now.
I expect Trump to be doing one of these commercials sooner rather than later, but that's me to handle there. You know, that was a different time for me.
That was the one time in my life, I suppose, I was so enraptured by what was going on with my hate. But that time has gone by.
I mean, he's still hanging around. And I guess if he really got involved with getting the nomination, etc., I would be involved as I was before.
You would overlook the commercials at that point. Yeah, you'd be back in.
You'd be like, okay, you know what? I'll deal with Joe Theismann talking to me about his prostate. I want to see what's going on with Trump.
Right. And right now, as we're speaking right now, that doesn't exist.
There's nothing pulling me in like the Trumpster did. So the commercials become a, you know, what's the right word? A fungible situation.
Yeah. We need to get you on Truth Social.
We'll sign you up for Trump's social media app so that you can reply to him directly. Now you did.
Oh, by the way, you know, those commercials, and of course I don't watch Fox, the little that I do once in a while, they're the same on Fox. There's no difference.
The commercials are the same, and the commercials live, and they're not going to die, all right, for these products that nobody wants or needs. But you know something? What I keep telling myself as I get more upset about it, these must work, these commercials.
Somebody's buying this shit. Somebody is.
They track this. You know that better than anybody.
This stuff is all tracked, right? They know what's working. Yes.
It's working on you because I bet you if you had to go buy a car shield, you'd be like't didn't joe name it tell me where to get that you it'd probably work you know something i can't picture myself buying any of those i can't you know why because i i know what you just said and maybe it's just the way i am by definition when i see them up there those products are a fraud yeah i mean they wouldn't what i'm saying to you is they wouldn't be advertising there if they weren't a fraud and i get because believe i know you'll find this hard to believe but i have on occasion checked with the ftc site and and other things to see various of these companies have all sorts of consumer complaints against them. And what a shock.
Yo, so you're just... Cascio has a million complaints against them.
Are you just casually, like, on a Tuesday afternoon just going on to the Better Business Bureau website and just checking out, like, hey, how are these companies doing? I'm not going to answer that. That's a leading question.
I'm not going to answer that question. You decide for yourself.
You know me well enough. You decide for yourself.
You think of the answers. What's one thing that you've been really enjoying in your life? Is there a product or a service that you've thought to yourself, like, hey, this is really hitting all the right notes for me? You mean that I didn't't see advertised here yeah just like what what are you really into right now

you know something i think those type of products that i'm getting

i'm not seeing up like this i i really don't i i think i i guess the best way for me to answer

that is that the desire for me to get the product starts with me first. Yeah.
I need something. Maybe I need, for instance, I need an improvement for something on my grill.
I just thought off the top of my head. I know there's a pan that I bought.
Okay. But the need started with me.
I saw that I needed it. Then I went online to Amazon and checked out what was available.
All right. So that's a little different than somebody yelling at me that I need car shields or that I better, what's my, what's my, I better get an update on all my social security payments because what I have isn't good enough.
You know what I the impetus is starting i've determined that in my life i need a product this product this particular product and then i go hunt for it like anybody else on amazon but it starts with me i can't think of anything to tell you the truth on the top of my head that i saw one of these for blundet that's a Jewish word, ads on one of these forblundet sites that lit that interest in me. I can't, it obviously works for other people, it just doesn't work for me.
Yeah. Have you considered getting a reverse mortgage? A reverse, I'm not in that market anymore, but there was a time when I certainly years ago looked at that and I'll tell you something, you know what I see? I'm different.
I, when I saw it, and I did at one point, we're talking about 10 years ago, when they started with the reverse mortgages, the, their ads, they started with their ads. And I think the first guy that started with it is now deceased uh with the ads the ad started with his sentence this is not a scam yeah

i mean that was the furthest thing from my mind until he put it in my little keppy

that this might be a scam see i'm different the way i'm a wired different you know what i mean

if somebody says in their ad by the way this is not a scam and the guy the first guy that did it was a a well-known congressman who has since deceased i i think you know i wouldn't even think about whether it was a scam until he said it now we've talked to you about this before this this uh legal loophole but if he had said this is a scam, he can legally get away with it, right? I think we actually presented that idea to you that if we basically started an investment fund and we're like, hey, listen, this is a Ponzi scheme, and then if people invest, how can we be in trouble? We told you right from the start. Yeah, but isn't the other side of the coin who is gonna buy a product that starts with the sentence this is a scheme i think there's a lot of people because there's a lot of people who are like maybe they're just joking you know that that reminds me of when you when we started talking the three of us for a long time you Yeah.
Parody law. Parody law.
I thought you were using the word parody as saying it's all equal. You know, like this is everything.
And I didn't realize until about the fourth time I was on that you were talking about comedy. Yes, yes.
You can do parody law. You can literally take somebody's money from them if you're making a joke out of it.
Well, I don't know. Like I say, I'm why a little different.
If you started to add me and said, by the way, this is not a scam, a scam. All right.
That's going to I'm going to start to say, well, I better check this out. We're talking about say the reverse mortgage is a good example.
Yeah. And that's that's how there's an example of a company that started their advertising with, by the way, this is legit.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, so I'm wired that way. Why are they saying it's legit? It never occurred to me that it's not, but now I'm going to start to investigate it.
I'm not your average consumer, obviously. Right.
Yeah. You're literally built there.
You've you gotta wake up a little early in the

day to to pull one over pulling over on you now is there from a legal standpoint has there ever been any decision that's written or any like casework around the idea of sarcasm in an ad can you be sarcastic so could you say like oh i think there've been many i think that there've been many cases that have dealt with whether or not what was being said was obviously, quote-unquote, parody. Oh, I think there's a lot of cases about that.
Yeah, like if you were to be like, oh, this is definitely not a scam. Well, now, see.
Oh, I'm totally not going to take your money. No, me? No, I would never do that.
You know, when you're talking about things like this, you're just throwing things out there right now. You've got to plug in something that is a real fact patent.
And I'm telling you that there are many fact patents. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but you can find many of them that talk about a fact

patent that the court came down and said that nobody would have taken what was being said here as being other than parody parody not equal parody i.e comedy is allowed comedy is allowed if it's obvious that it's comedy.

It's got to be obvious

that only

an idiot would think that somebody's being truthful here so i think we're good so basically telling us we can't do anything legally a lot of idiots yeah if you have a lot of idiots the more idiots you have the better off you are i guess yeah is it is it more helpful if you're an idiot yourself when you're promoting your product? If you're like, hey, listen, I'm really, really dumb. You know, this might not work.
As usual, you ask good questions. My answer to that is I think if somebody was defending what they had said and I guess they would try to say, look, everybody knows PFT is in the humor business.

He's in the sarcasm business.

Bastl is a humor site.

And if you're going to take something that was said there as being the truth, all right,

it's much more difficult than if you are going to try to sue something you saw in an article in the New York Times. Yeah.
Don't you see that? Yeah. Yeah.
We're so consistently wrong about everything, then why would you take anything that we said seriously? Yeah. And I think, I'm hoping, I think it's pretty well accepted that Bostol Sports, The Onion, these are comedy sites.
So if you're going to sit back and said they said that there was no problem with reverse mortgages on The Onion or Bastille Sports, that's a little different than if there was an article in the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times, saying, somebody is quoted in there as saying, reverse mortgages, there's no problem at all. Okay, so I'm going to get into the reverse mortgage business.
Yes. It's not a scam.
I don't know if you folks, you got to change business? No, we can do two things at once. Yeah, I can multitask.
It's not a scam. Step one.
Somebody can get an article in the New York Times. Yeah.
Would you be willing to endorse it? Would you become our Chris Berman? What's that? Would you become like our Chris Berman, our Joe Namath, and sell reverse mortgages to our listeners? We'll pay you handsomely. Yeah, very handsomely.
Yeah. Speaking of that, just to get off topic, I know you can't believe I would do that.
Did you folks see that Caller Daddy was in the cover of the New York Times? I didn't. I didn't, but that's hilarious that you did.
Are you sure about that? Well, somebody sent that to me. Yeah? On the cover of the New York Times Magazine.
And that ain't nothing. Are you a big Color Daddy fan? I wasn't until I read that article.
Oh, and now you are. I want to tell you something.
It was very interesting. Nothing bad said about Bostel.
Nothing at all. No.
But nothing really. There was nothing in there where she said that I love them.
They've been very. She mentioned it, but not in a negative way.
I think she could have been a little more effective and say, you know, they helped me get my start. They were very good to me.
David Portnoy was good to me. I had no problems with them.
I don't know. She just didn't go into that too much.
It was very neutral. Well, you know what? And believe me, you know damn well, the guy was salivating from the New York Times hoping she would say something terrible about Bostol or David Portnoy.
And she didn't. I would guess.
I would like, and I have no, you know, there's no facts right. This is a total guess't I would guess I would like and I have no there's no facts right this is a total guess I would guess that she probably did praise us more than what was printed and knowing the writer in New York Times they're not going to just they're not going to print something that is positive towards us because I think it's that skewed now where it's like if someone says something positive about us they're like well we'll just never say that we'll never repeat that yeah well you're right because by the way you won't believe this i just gotta talk about uber i just gotta email from uber obviously oh they're listening they're listening but what i was gonna say they also put in the new york times they had on on a sidebar that David Portnoy has been accused, you know, that whole Michigan.
So they couldn't resist getting that in there. Yeah, they all that.
She didn't say that. But they had a sidebar with all the little facts.
And they did mention that that he's been accused of this, that and the other thing, and that currently he has sued them.

But I'm sure they put that in there grudgingly.

But they did.

Yeah, I do like, I'm reading the article right now.

I like in the opening paragraph, they say,

she's developed a following of millions of loyal listeners since debuting her raunchy sex and dating show

on the aggressively laddish Barstool Sports site in 2018. That rocks.
She didn't say anything like that. We're aggressively laddish.
Almost that's a feather in my cap. We're for the boys.
Say that again? We're for the boys. I still didn't hear what you said.
You are for the boys. For the boys.
Yeah, you are down for the boys.

I'm sorry.

I'm not hearing what you said. No, you got it.

You said it.

You said it.

I think, like, we're down for the boys.

Like, we're just guys being dudes.

We like to hang out.

Yeah.

Right.

Exactly.

Exactly.

We're on the same page.

Aggressively lattice.

Yeah, we're on the same page.

All of us, we're all.

Yeah, but it was obvious to me, and of course, I have some background in this, that the New York Times was salivating. Oh, yeah.
To get her to say something that would be damaging to Bostolz, and she didn't. Absolutely.
They were. Absolutely.
All right. You got to read that out.
I think you'd both find it very interesting. I am going to read it.
I had one last question for you. By the way, this is by far the best technology.

You were on the Zoom right away.

I just want to give you a compliment.

Can I tell you something?

Yeah.

You know who did it the best that we were on?

We're no longer there for obvious reasons,

and I never understood why Marty Mush had the best team setting it up.

You know who he is, Marty Mush. I'm not familiar.
No, never heard of him. No, you never heard the name.
But he had a show. He had a show that we were on for a very short space of time.
Oh, yeah, the Cousins. No, no, no.
He's talking about Mush the Line. Yeah.
Yeah. And he had the team behind him on the technical side.
They were excellent. Well, there you go.
That huge yeah they're all gone they're all gone they're they're in uh ostracized heaven wherever they are but but cousin murray and i we were on there for approximately two shows okay yeah so you just hop around hopefully we don't get canceled after this um yeah well hopefully hopefully i going to comment. Hopefully neither one of you will put yourself in that position.
No, no. All right, so my last question, Roback question.
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I actually get the random tweet like probably once every few or four months Out of nowhere Someone will be like Whatever happened to Mr. Portnoy's mail Has there ever been a resolution Or is it still getting burnt randomly I'm going to tell you I got some of that rollback product I won't tell you how I got it But I got it It's good I'm just leaving it fall off the back of a truck? It's good.
I'm just leaving it at that. I don't want to disclose my source of supply.
I'm going to guess your son might have sent you a shirt. I don't deal with my son for things like that.
I got a better connection. He's got another connect.
I got a better connection. Let's just leave it at that.
What was your question? I forgot. The mail.
Has the mail been burnt?

That's the good news.

The mail has not been burnt.

But the bad news is because I closed that mailbox.

Ah.

I didn't need it.

So whoever has that mailbox.

I don't go there anymore.

I don't have the box anymore.

Got it.

So that solved the problem.

Yeah.

If you want to tell, if the way to solve a problem is to kill it,

Thank you. anymore yeah i don't have i don't have the box anymore got it so that solved the problem yeah if you want to tell if the way to solve a problem is to kill it i guess yeah that's exactly right an animal that barked well i took care of it i killed the dog perfect analogy i don't think that's the way to handle things generally do you no i it would be funny if we could track down who has that po box right now and if they were still getting burnt mail.
So it wasn't you. I have an answer to that, I think, because the box was so difficult for somebody to get to.
It was the last box on the floor. So here I am at the time I started.
I was probably 73. Now I'm 75, and I can't even get to the freaking box because the box was aligned to the floor.
So I had to bend down on my knees to get to the combination.

I would venture a bet no one has taken that box because it's so hard to get to.

And they have a lot of empty boxes.

Yeah.

Which is not a shock.

No, that's not a shock. Especially if they're giving people burned mail.

Yeah.

I would imagine that.

Yeah.

You know, they probably still burn it.

Yeah.

Just a light burn. All right.
Do you want to end with the three words? Okay. I'm going to try.
I'm just, I'm sticking my neck up. I'm going to start with Uber.
Yes. Nailed it.
Uber. Patriots chowder.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Yeah. I want to tell you, next time you do this, give me a heads up.
I haven't done that in so long. I don't think – you know, this is an honest question.
I want to answer to this question. You think I should have known those? No, I think Toronto was great.
You're good. You're good.
It's totally normal. I remember a couple years ago when we first asked you those questions, you were very stressed out about your mental state.
You were dealing with a lot of anxiety, and you still were able to retain those words over the next couple years. But we haven't asked you in a long, long time.
So to get two out of three, I think it's good. You should not be having that same anxiety.
I think that your brain is doing wonderful. Yes.
You know, you don't realize that. That does bother me.
Yeah, but you are doing way better than the last time. I know you had a fall or something with your head.
You're doing way better. Just the fact that when I said three words, you were like, all right, Uber, Patriots.
That right there, test over. You've been holding those around.
You've been walking around with those three words. Just bouncing around.
Even if you just have me on for 13 seconds to give you the words, I wouldn't mind that. Okay.
All right. We'll start calling you randomly.
I'll call you random phone calls. In the middle of one of your shows, just say, we're going to have a break now.
We're going to call Cousin Mike. Just have him be on for 10 seconds.
I will do that. I wouldn't mind.
I will do that. That will be a test in the next month.
I'm telling you that right now. I wouldn't mind that.
Okay. Perfect.
All right. Well, it's always great to talk to you.
Always great to catch up. I love you guys.
We love you. We won't have it be this long in between the next time.
Just for the words only. Yes.
That's okay. Yes.
All right. Thanks, Mr.
Portnoy. All right.
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Okay, let's wrap up.

We've got an all-time story that is going around NBA Twitter and online.

Hank, I asked Hank to dig into it to explain it to us,

and then Billy is a backup in case he gets lost.

Hank, the floor is yours. All right, so I'll try and set it up a little bit first uh Del and Sonia got divorced a little while ago Curry's these are the Curry's this is the Curry's Stefan and Seth's parents right who everyone you know they were for for the Warriors stretch of championships they were front and center for all of them according to Robert Little Black Sports Online one of my favorite journalists there's no sarcasm in that allegedly Dell was suspicious this was happening and hired a private investigator and basically found out that she was cheating on him with this guy named Steven Johnson who was one of Dell's friends from Virginia Tech.
They both went to Virginia Tech at the same time. He was a family friend.
I guess he would go with them to Seth's game at Duke. Okay.
So that was what, according to Robert Little, inspired the divorce. Sonia says that they had already been split up and only started after.
So it's a little bit of a he he said, she said. Okay, sounds like this happened right when they were spending a lot of time around Coach K.
Bad influence. But then on Friday at the Celtics game, Del was there with Steven Johnson's ex-wife.
And he's dating her. He's dating her.
He brought her to the game. So clearly he was like that was just purely out of spite by dell like just straight up just an absolute spite move that's great maybe as a swinger situation but i feel like it's more like a revenge and just even if they were dating to bring her to the game to be seen publicly and everyone's like hey wait a second right you know what you were doing you were trying to.
You were trying to be toxic. Hopefully it's a big distraction for Steph.
I can't imagine trying to play in the NBA Finals and dealing with that kind of press. But it's a wild, wild story.
At first, people shared the screenshots and said, as a joke, basically, it looks like they switched partners. And then hours later, it came out like, no, they actually did.
They switched on the pick and roll instead of coming under. Right.
Billy? Billy? My take, it's just a swapsies. A swapsies.
A temporary swapsies? What's the difference between a swapsies and a swingsies? Why would you do a swapsies, though, and get a divorce? Yeah. That seems like a permanent swapsies.
Well, that's the difference between a Swingsies and a Swapsies. A Swingsies staying married, a Swapsies is...
Swingsies is we had an understanding. Right.
Swapsies is what the fuck. Yeah.
Okay. This is...
I'm looking it up right now. He was a Patriots tight end.
He started three games for the Patriots his rookie year. Recorded one catch for five yards and then got a knee injury injury so is this guy a Boston sports icon that's trying to bring down the Warriors very classy of him inside job interesting this is similar uh the story uh I just looked it up 1970 Yankees Fritz Peterson and Mike Kekic oh yeah uh swapped wives for an entire yeah for an entire season and then made it official.
You've heard of this, Billy? Yeah, they went on vacation together. They swapped wives.
I didn't know the names. It was a very famous story, though.
That's the 70s, though. They went on vacation together, and they're like, oh, we actually like each other better than the OGs.
Like taking taking a season off taking a gap year in your marriage yeah no so it so uh it was both both men and their families live close to each other in new jersey and frequently gotten their families together since the 1969 season when catch kekich had joined the team it just happened it wasn't planned said peterson although the announcement was made in march of 73 the conversation started a party Maury Allen was throwing in summer of 72 at some point during the summer the arrangement was called off for a week both pitchers returned to their wives and settled back into their lives but Peterson just wasn't happy I told Marilyn I just have Suzanne and Marilyn said I have to have Suzanne and Marilyn said she was in love with Mike. And then they swapped.

That's interesting.

Teammates.

I got to think, like, if you end up, if Del Curry ends up marrying this lady and Sonya ends up marrying this guy,

you got to go on vacations as families again, right?

Yeah.

You got to run it back.

It sounds like you guys had a fun time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You get along well as a double couple.

There is an element, though, that they might just be family friends and we're just near each other when the pictures we're taking and they're not actually together. That's the rational thing I saw online.
I don't like this, Billy, where you're trying to talk us out of conspiracy theories. Yeah, no, don't do that.
Just egg us on, please, Billy. By the way, I'm reading the rest of this.
So as always with this, and this is probably going to happen exactly in this one too, Mike and Marilyn broke up and then Fritz and Suzanne ended up, they're still together to this day. Oh, that's nice.
So that will be like, I would imagine Sonia and her man are probably going to stay together and then Del's going to be like, okay. Del's going to play the field a little bit.
Yeah, this was, you know, this swap season was good for a minute and i don't i maybe i'm wrong maybe it goes the other way but remember when uh what does it say about about steph's legacy though that his parents are his legacy is on the line parents well imagine though his parents don't have a ring either but yeah imagine if he does if he does all this and beats the celtics by himself while his parents are doing a swap sees holy shit shit. Remember when Dell showed up to the game with like four women? Yeah.
Remember that? Yeah. The old DK.
Also, I got to be honest with you guys. I'm having a little bit of a cell phone, cell phone moment here when we keep saying Adele when you said like, and then, and then Dell and then Adele.
And I just keep thinking of Adele, the singer. Del and Adele.
Yeah. They could hook up.
Yeah. What? Rich Paul.
Rich Paul and Adele. So they're hooking up now.
Maybe he's connected somehow. This goes deep.
Wow. So Del Curry and Rich Paul.
What about Elena Deladon? Is she involved? Deladova. Matthew Deli.
Deli. Deli might be involved.
That was a step stopper. We're at the point of the podcast.
That's that's true Della shut him down for like half of one game and then he needed Della Dova needed to go to the hospital because his body was in shock Della's NBA career is very strikingly similar to Dan Dokic's NCAA career he had one half of great defense and then he had to sit in an ice bath for four weeks. It was a hell of a half of defense, though, to Dele's credit.
And then Dele got like $30 million from the Bucs. That was awesome.
Yeah, that was awesome. Okay, good show, everyone.
Numbers? Anything else? New Dele. New Dele, India.
Yeah. more.
That's another one. I just want to name Dell things.

Different Dell.

Dell's a computer.

Yeah.

Dude, you're getting a Dell.

You probably don't even know that commercial.

18.

That was kind of you, Billy.

That actually was played by a former Billy football.

Dude, you're getting a Dell.

Give me a 92.

69.

26.

6.

25.

None.

No. I want it.
Got it. 6.
25. Is it on? Nope.
Got it. Delaware.
Delaware, yep. We are Delaware on this podcast.
A deli. Deli sandwich.
36. That's double what Hank picked.
Damn. Tough.
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Yeah, everyone keeps tweeting photos of common snapping turtles laying eggs at me. It's sick because it's like, wow, this is actually happening all around the country.
I saw that snapping turtle on the golf course the other day. It freaked me out.
Dude, they're dinosaurs. It moves like a dinosaur, yeah.

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