Game 3 W/ Kirk Goldsberry, Danny Woodhead, And Hank Parties With Guy Fieri

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I don't really know how to start it other than saying, Hank. Congratulations.
Actually, the question is, Hank, how many people do you think want your life? I don't know. I mean, it was a great night probably a lot yeah so uh to recap the celtics win game three convincingly it was actually a very very fun game to watch because you had uh the warriors almost you know come back the seven point possession all these things happen and the the celtics who were the better team win the game hank is sitting on the wood he gets the ball ball, pump fakes a shot.
He does his fist pumps where he actually has now done a very good job of keeping his right hand cocked and loaded but not releasing it. He had one towards the end after the block where he let them both fly.
It was kind of, yeah, he was holding one, and then it was kind of moving a little bit. He was sitting with Guy Fieri.

He went to the club with Guy Fieri. He also sat on Paul Pierce's top 75 basketball coat that every top 75 player got, a special jacket.
He sat on it. Then when Paul Pierce was like, hey, you're sitting on my jacket, he got up and he moved and he sat on Paul Pierce's phone.
He had an all-time night. So you just go.
We'll pepper in questions, but it is the Henry Lockwood show to start this one. Yeah, I mean, I tried to write down some notes to just like things to go over because there there was so dana barrows random but celtic legend was wearing a dana barrows jersey during like the pre-game warm-ups and was standing like two feet in front of me like he was literally like boxing me and i was just like stuck behind him like that was unreal celtic legend bill walton recurring guest he was there like a row behind us did you talk to him did you remind him of uh of the time we interviewed him in vegas we didn't we didn't really get to talk to him we were just kind of like we're we're a little little far away from each other but when the t-shirt they came out with all the t-shirt girls were like throwing t-shirts he was just standing there and just asking for t-shirts and grabbing them like but like put it grabbed one like put it down and like put his hand back up and just grab one put it down uh i believe it was his wife had like a sick celtics garcia like jerry garcia jersey uh the paul piercing i mean i that that needs to get cleared up a little bit though okay please he first of all he was he was a little uh he was a little tipsy like he was he was definitely like this is going hank it sounds like he was he was blaming Paul for you almost stealing his stuff.
No, and Big Cat knows this, where Dave will basically just, for the sake of the story, make things up to make it seem more ridiculous. I didn't sit on the jacket.
He put his jacket on my seat, and I went to sit in a different place. I was like, oh, I can't sit in the jacket.
He's like, no, you definitely can't sit in the jacket and he had just thrown his phone like on the bench so when I sat down he's like that's my fucking phone but he was like he was like fucking around and then Dave started laughing and then he started like obviously like realized Dave was laughing and like fuck with me and then he just like kept going so it was like funny but like I didn't sit on his jacket I definitely you sat on his you defiled his jacket sounds like you tried to steal his phone yeah and his jacket no it was great okay so um i don't even know where to go you had such a crazy night well let's talk let's talk about the let's talk about hezi hank yeah we'll get to the game we'll get to the game we also have breakdown with kirk goldsbury we'll get to the game but let's let yeah. So the ball gets deflected to Hezzy Hank.
And Hank, I was honestly impressed. I was very impressed with the fact that you caught it.
It almost seemed like you were just ready to shoot. Like you didn't hesitate at all.
You were just like, this is what I have to do right now. What went through your head in the moments after you caught the deflection until you did the pump fake? If you look, you of see in real time like I looked at the ref and and uh pool and they weren't looking at me like I had the ball and I was kind of ready like instantly probably just throw it back but I realized like they weren't focused on me in that moment or whatever so I had like a quick second where I was like all right and then I just like it was very natural so quick and then I didn't quick.
And then I didn't know, like afterwards I was asking Dave, he's like, do you think that was on TV? I was like, I fucking hope so. Like that was hilarious.
And then obviously like he texted me, but it was just, I don't even know. Like it just all happened very quickly.
I jumped out of off my couch. Cause I was like, I it's, I was thinking about it this morning.
It's so funny because we're blessed with having dream jobs and we get to

talk to athletes and we get to be at all these events.

But just a simple fact of our boy Hank being on TV.

And like,

I was just like,

anytime the action was down on his end,

I was just staring at that left corner of my television being like,

that's him.

I know him.

I fucking know him.

He just got the ball.

I was just super impressed that you had the presence of mind.

Like most people,

they,

they catch a ball in the stands and they like start laughing and they

smile and they look around.

And they're like,

Thank you. can know him he just got the ball i was just super impressed that you had the presence of mind like most people they they catch a ball in the stands and they like start laughing and they smile and they look around they're like oh i can't believe this happened they toss the ball back it was like instantaneous for you you were you were like you had a plan almost that's what it looked like now my question to you is do you think that if you had shot it would you have made it i don't know i was kind of behind the backboard but i i mean i had a clean look i i said so we when we we had kirk on last night it's coming up i said zero percent chance zero percent chance i was like it that the art we were behind the backboard so like realistically but like if i was a little a couple feet to the right i also got him with the pump fake yeah you did yeah you did.
You could see his head go for it. Yeah.
I just said, the way I describe it is, I've played basketball with you many times, and you're a guy who needs to warm up. That's what I said.
You need to warm up. Your first few shots missed the rim, and then you could hit eight or nine in a row.
So that one would have missed everything. I think low-key Hank would have made it.
High-key, he would have hit an innocent bystander underneath the basket. Well, yeah, we also were like, we didn't know if we were going to get kicked out or not.
That's what we were trying to decide after. Yeah, no, I don't think you would have.
I didn't say that in the beginning, but Guy Fieri, being with him in the beginning because him and Dave are close, and we didn't know. We went went to meet up with him at his restaurant beforehand.
And we just like hung out with him and his sons. And then we didn't know when we got to the garden.
They're like, oh, you're sitting next to Guy. It was like, oh, this is hilarious.
But yeah. And then the Celtics just class organization, like class all around.
It's just very like they obviously it's like a great it's just a surreal experience.

Like obviously from the butter knife days and all of a sudden we're like in the in the Legends Club, like all these people sitting courtside.

Like it's just very it's it's very surreal from the pits of the palace.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you went to you went out to the club with guy the next that night, right?

Like right after.

And how was that?

It was great.

I mean, he's got he's got like his own line of tequila. So he was like giving us tequila before he gave us like three bottles of tequila.
I didn't I didn't take any because we ended up at the club. But he had, you know, it was just everyone like he gets when we were courtside, we were leaving like walking on off the court.
and like everyone, every single person,

like Kenny Smith, Nia Long,

like every celebrity that's there like sees guy and it's like oh my god guy like guy guy guy like obviously being with dave it's kind of like that like there's that to an extent and like you guys know how it is but guy fieri it's just like on another level like every single person like i was he was right behind me and kenny smith was walking up to me like he knew was like, hey, and I was like, I like for a second was like, what? And then I turned around. I was like, Oh, he's, he's going for guy.
You're like, man, this heater is incredible. Kenny Smith.
No, I was just like, yeah, but it was so, he was so like, he was so like, you're my best friend. And I was like, this isn't for me.
I was like, but I turned around and it was just like oh it's for guy okay so so a segue to talking

about the game is one last question about this night do you think one will there be a game six and two do you think you'd get the invite i do think there will be a game six unfortunately very scared about game four

and I do think I will be a game six, unfortunately. Very scared about game four.
And I do think I would get the invite. Wow.
So you could be in there for a potential clinching game if the Celtics win one of the next two. That would be correct.
I'm not, I mean, I guess, I don't know. I don't want to knock on wood, but.
Okay. So let's talk about the game.
I mean, we, I think PFT and I are kind of in the same boat where it's like, I think the Celtics are just better. You know, at this point, the Warriors, I don't know what they can do other than, like, everyone's got to make their shots because the Celtics, the Celtics just tried so much harder.
And it might not be, like, that's not saying they're not talented because they obviously are. But they went for every 50-50 ball.
They out-rebounded. They were flying around, cutting harder, everything.
It felt like the Celtics were like, we have to win this game. And the Warriors didn't have that same sense of urgency.
Yeah, the Celtics, what they have gotten better at over the season, but that happened a lot in the beginning of the season, they still do it to an extent. It happened in the third quarter.
They just will just let down and all of a sudden have terrible runs like that. That seven-point possession when you got the and one on the three and the flagrant, that's the only thing.
But they obviously came back in the fourth quarter kind of like game one where they just came out in the fourth quarter and just asserted dominance. They did in the first quarter, too, but they just let that third quarter when they let them down.
Like, it was it just gets so scary all over again when they all of a sudden are up 15 and then down, too. Yeah, I do feel like the Warriors, like, yes, they obviously have to make their shots if they want to win.
But the Warriors are a team that can beat a team that's like, you know, better all around than them. And they can beat them easily, too As long as you just have Steph, Clay, if those two guys make all their shots, if they get to a night where they're both on, then they're pretty much impossible to beat.
It doesn't matter how good the Celtics can play. They sneaky were, though.
No, yeah, when Steph's not playing, when Steph's not on the court, you can tell their just doesn't have any room. I don't think that Klay was on-on, though, last night.
Oh, he was on. He was pretty close.
Because remember, he didn't score in the first – I don't think he scored in the first quarter or the fourth quarter. So he had 25 points in two quarters.
Right, that's what I'm saying. They didn't have a combination game.
He was going off, though. Of them both being just good from start to finish and when they do I don't think

that you can beat them but they're not going to be able to do that like that's not it's impossible for them to sustain that type of basketball so I I also think we talked about with Kirk later but I think Celtics in six um Hank do you have do you have anybody that you'd like to apologize any children that might have been at the game yes that you dropped f-bombs in front of because Hank, real classy, real classy last night.

Klay Thompson reported reported and this is egregious if true that there were fans that were dropping f-bombs at the game is that true i hope that is very true multiple times throughout the game i was definitely participating he what observation from the wood he. He, from start to finish, does not stop talking.
Talking to the refs. Like, talking shit.
The entire game. Wait, Clay Thompson? No, Draymond.
Draymond. Yeah, Clay Thompson was the one that.
Clay didn't say a word, I don't think. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Like, Clay was the one that called you out on it, though. Did you say anything to Clay? Yeah, I mean that.
No, I didn't say anything to Clay. It's crazy.
It's so soft. It is so soft.
So, and obviously the series could still, I'm convinced now the Celtics are just the better team. The only team that can beat the Celtics is the Celtics.
Like, they have to beat themselves. And it's kind of sad watching the Warriors go out a little bit like this where they're complaining they're and there's been complaining on the celtics side too so it's not like you know but but the way the fact they're complaining about uh the f word is insane like being like real classy that's you immediately lose the argument when you say stay classy and then and all he does is talk like it's not like it's just coming out of nowhere that It's much different when he's actively talking shit, and so Celtics fans are talking shit back.
Yeah, and now Draymond didn't complain that way. His wife did.
Clay did. Draymond, I don't think, said, hey, this was bad.
Because I think Draymond genuinely loves. It's kind of cool.
Yeah, he loves the attention. He loves being a heel.
He just sucked at basketball in game three. But what I was saying is it's weird watching the Warriors.
They are the embodiment of a great athlete that can still do the same things but not in exactly the same way where it's like they have those runs where they'll cut it to four or cut it to five, and then they couldn't get over the they like couldn't the Celtics had an answer for him where old school warriors they would have those runs then the game would be over they'd be like oh here's here's a 15-0 run in like two minutes nothing you can do about it game over they have those little spurts where you're like that's the warriors and then they're human again so it's kind of weird watching them. They need their role players if they're going to win games.
They don't have any. Like Steph, I mean, because Steph and Klay are the only ones that can score.
But if they just D them up, like it's, I think they should win. It might be Celtics in five, but who knows? We just need Scott Foster every game.
Whoa. So Scott Foster is actually not undefeated when he refs for the Celtics we get into this with Kirk yeah a little bit later we got got by a fake stat yeah for real yeah so we at we all now have I feel like I've seen that I've seen that trickulating for weeks because one person makes it up and then like finding actual stat I don't know but finding out the actual referee record against certain teams is like pretty tough to do you have to really dig into the numbers so people see that and then everyone just runs with it meme said four and three is the real stat so now we got to get into the fake ref stack game which is so funny four and three that's you guys talking about 12 and 0 right yeah yeah no i brought it up with Kirk and and he's like you got got and i was like fuck i there scott foster just in that level where it's like you can just anything you say about him you're like yep that makes sense but yeah you need scott foster all right real quick uh before we finish up talking about game three and then talk about game four better help life can be overwhelming and many people are burned out without knowing it.
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So, Hank, you're being weirdly – are you nervous? I can't get the vibe of like are you nervous of a jinx? Because I have now – like game three showed me that the best version of the Celtics, the Warriors cannot beat. I'm being honest.
That's just my honest take on it. And that's what's scary, I guess.
Like saying that you might not have your best and you might beat yourself? Yes. Okay.
I could see that. I mean, they have worn beforely off a loss.
Or, sorry, off a win. So, yeah, I could see that happening on Friday night.
It's been like this in Milwaukee series, like this in Miami series. Like they had – it was all three series.
It was the same thing where it's like they looked like the better team. They kind of had control.
And then they just get – like they have – they just throw up stinkers. I think the only thing you have to be worried about at this point, when you say it's scary, do you mean like it's all lining up too perfectly? Like this can't be real? How good we're playing and how much clearer it is that we're the better team in this series? Everything to you is just perfect.
It's going swimmingly, and you're just worried that this is all being set up to get crashed to get crashed down. Yeah, pretty much.
I mean, Draymond, by the way, also just, like, he's terrible. Yeah, no, he's not good.
He's not good at basketball. He, like, can't play offensive basketball.
No. And he's just dirty.
Yes. He broke the code last night.
Yes, he did. What, on the Tatum? I mean, that wasn't.
Well, no, he went after Tatum tatum's injured shoulder yeah see like i honestly unbiased unbiased me like the paint pritchard thing i didn't think was that crazy i didn't think that was that crazy either like i don't think he was i don't know if you if you have cameras on it like that you could probably do that for a million players uh are you friends with paul pierce now yeah absolutely we're boys so when's he coming on the show? Yeah, he knew. Could you get us? I actually think we could probably, yeah.
I mean, I can try and make that happen now that we're BFFs. But he came up to Dave.
I mean, honestly, this is funny. Dave will probably say it.
So it's like the Legends Club where you can hang out before the game. We got brought in there, and you need to get a wrist but we got brought in by someone so i didn't get a wristband and i left to go to the bathroom and i come back in the usher was like oh you need a wristband there was people like right behind the gate that were like oh no he's fine he's with us he's like no you need a wristband like you're not coming in and so i texted dave and some kid comes up to me he's like dave's talking to paul right now like i don't know't know if he's going to come out.
And I didn't know what that meant. And then he came and got me.
And then like, we walked back in, it was him and Pierce. And I guess Pierce, he was like, Pierce came up to Dave and was like, Oh, what's up, Dave? Like, love Barstool, blah, blah, blah.
Like, Dave was not expecting that. So I think, I think we can get him on.
Yeah, we should. And we should have done when you, when you sat his phone, when you like stole his phone from him.
But I also missed that initial number into there. Yeah.
Like I went to the bathroom and got stuck outside and I missed like the initial like, you know, embrace with Paul to combo. How was how was the party? I was rattled after the phone thing.
I'm not going to lie. Like I was definitely you smushed his phone.
I said on his phone and I was he was like, that's my phone. I was like, no fucking way.
I love it. Like underneath my ass crack.
I was like, oh, my God. Did you go out and actually party last night with Guy Fieri? Yeah, we were at the club until it closed.
And then we were at a casino and played some blackjack. Hell, yeah.
That's awesome. Hell, yeah.
Guy Fieri, is he as cool as I hope he is? Dude, he was like the most down to earth guy in in the world you you're living the dream he's i mean it was like it's it's crazy to say that's where it's like so funny like the pictures and stuff it's like he's he's just the the chillest like chillest guy funny dude and then it's like it's guy fieri like you just see the way people react to him and it's like people just love him yeah like it's absolutely insane everyone that's what and that's what i'm saying it's like you in being in boston there's obviously a lot of fans people see dave and they they react a certain way they're like oh what's up dave but like people see guy and they're just like oh my god like and it's like everyone i love i love it too because there's it it's a great testament that the internet is not real life because i know there was a moment where like people tried to ironically like shit on guy Fieri. And then you go out in public with him and you're like, he's just the most beloved guy ever.
That gives me hope for the world. I think what happened was the New York times wrote that review of American kitchen and everybody read it and was like, this is just really mean.
Right. To a guy who doesn't do anything.
Who's actually like a very positive person Right. And so it was kind of cool to see everybody be like, yeah, you know what? Fuck that guy.
We're Guy Fieri fans. Yeah.
He's just a good guy that makes people happy. Yeah, and it's cool that everyone loves him out in the wild.
That's exactly what I would expect out of Guy Fieri. Okay, so game four, Friday night.
I don't – I guess I could see the – Santa Fino tequila. That was just tequila.
That was great. I guess I could see the Warriors winning.
I just don't – I think that they're going to lose, and then I think they're going to win game five. Game five, yeah.
And then Hank will be on the wood for – On the wood. I want confetti Hank.
Wow. I don't know.
What a moment that would be. Again, I don't want to get ahead of myself.
I'm very appreciative. If I never went to another game, I'd be fine with it.
But if you're in Dave's shoes and you don't invite me, then you're a jinx. He could be a jinx.
True. How does it feel to be the most important part of this podcast? He's the most famous person by far.
Easily. I mean, we've all had our championship runs.
You had the Caps. Big Cat had the Cubs.
It's just what happens sometimes when you go on these runs and you're in the center stage. Yeah, except for you, you've had it how many times? How many championships have you seen in your day? Have you counted? I think it's 17 or 18 since this podcast.
No, since you can remember being alive. The Patriots have won twice.
The Red Sox won. The Bruins went to game seven.
I've had four, no, six championship runs, I think, just since this podcast started. That's insane.
What about in your lifetime? Do you know how many championships? believe it's 17 fuck you i think jake could probably fact check that fuck you hank all right well um what else we got we got the live tour has off and running hank you're a fan of it which uh you just popped on before we started you're like i think i'm into it that's a choice yeah and you've made it i mean if a fan like i'm watching it yeah that's the thing it's entertaining do you feel like they have like random college kids mixed in it's kind of hilarious yeah like the coverage is just like it'll go from dustin johnson to like a kid that looks like he's 16 i kind of like one thing i've realized that's what i'm saying like it's it's entertaining i can't i'm not gonna sit here and say it's not like the uh the kingdom of saudi arabia has enough money where they could literally just pay every celebrity enough money to just go live in saudi arabia that's how fucking rich they are yeah they can just buy they're buying friends and it happens sometimes and so the pga tour came out today and they said we're suspending everybody that's playing on the live tour um phil mickelson went out today and man he looks he you want to talk about a guy that looks rough well the leather coat was so great because he really i mean everyone was clowning on him but he really is like the the divorcee dad going to the midlife crisis being like i'm just going to take this saudi money real quick um and he's yeah he he does look rough he like he hasn't slept. There also was a nice grouping of PGA players who did the I'm not fired, I quit move where they revoked their own card.
I don't know. It was weird that they waited until the Livetour started to make that announcement.
To make the announcement right before. I think it's just basically a case of procrastination where you don't want to deliver bad news to somebody and so you wait until like the the night before and you hit up your boss you're like hey um not gonna make it in uh mbs just gave me 400 million dollars so uh i'm gonna jump over to london real quick and play in this tournament i feel feel like they just delayed the inevitable until the very last minute.
It had big asking your wife for a divorce after she had already moved out energy. Where it's like, it's already been over.
And you're like, hey, I think we should get a divorce. I have a new boyfriend.
Yeah. Or like you know that you're about to get caught doing something bad.
So then you ask for the divorce right there. Yeah.
So Phil actually put a um put a vest on before he teed off today that's the augusta national golf course vest oh wow so he's like begging he's like please please continue to let me play in the masters if i really want to that's what's going to get interesting is if these guys aren't allowed to play in majors then they're going to be like oh shit what I done? That's the only thing that they really care about as golfers to begin with is the money and then also how many majors. Majors, yeah.
Yeah, and we had a moment where we thought our guy Brooks, he did the eyeballs emojis. It actually was a good test run for us, just in case any of our friends do join the Live Tour because the part of my take group chat brooks was fucking with everyone he's not joining the live tour he now currently yeah he did the eyes emoji and then uh like three hours later was like whoops forgot the link and it was like saquon barkley's looking great in otas but it was it was a genius move for the pip bonus stuff yeah because he's probably like he's probably like on his or no is he doing He's never mind.
He had like hundreds and honeymoon. Yeah, he's on his honeymoon, I think.
But he had like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of replies and obviously a lot of retweets and likes and favorites on it. And he was just trolling everybody.
But that's good because he's going to make money off. And he also, so how it went was he did the eyeballs emoji.
On the part of my take group text. You've never seen a group of people be like, well, like money's money.
Like he should go live his happy life. Like we were so quick to be like, we still love him.
Like, you know, it's not a big deal. So then I texted him and he said that if he wins the PIP, then he'll throw us a party.
Oh, there it is. Nice.
So, yeah. So we'll just have to start interacting.
Well, now we have to just essentially become like a giant commercial for Brooks Koepka all the time. Correct.
We should retweet every tweet that he has. Yep.
Yep. And then if you're an award-winning listener, it's your duty now to interact with that tweet.
Yeah, respond to every tweet. Respond to every tweet.
We'll throw apart. We'll invite some AWLs.
Yes. Well, yeah.
Does he know that? No. Okay.
Yeah, but we'll invite. I said some.
It could be two. We'll invite some AWLs to the party.
And I want Luda there. Yes.
I want my Luda. My Luda that I didn't get at the wedding.
But yeah, Brooks. Listen, I'm not going to judge if Brooks ends up going, but I hope that he doesn't yeah but if he does that's fine yeah whatever makes him happy right we're i just want brooks to be happy correct exactly i don't want to be happy i might not agree with his lifestyle but i want him to be happy and if he loves playing on the live tour then love is love and he should be allowed to do that correct exactly um and then the last thing i had was the rams are just i i mean there's never been a team that's just better at doing future future rams problems they signed cooper cup to a big deal after signing aaron donald to a big deal i i mean what can you say other than like i respect this at this point like their mcveigh is probably just has it circled, like, 2025 call the executives at ESPN, Fox, and CBS.
I mean, do we know that the salary cap is even a real thing? No, it's not. In terms of being enforced? Because my theory is that the NFL just said, okay, we're going to make a salary cap.
Every team has to be underneath it. And then they just send, like, a series of threatening letters to teams that are not in compliance with the salary cap but they don't actually have a guy that's tracking it and enforcing actual penalties against right right it's just like you better watch out because if you go into next year you're gonna be in cap hell and then they send a strongly worded letter saying uh you are currently two you know two million dollars over the the league year.
And then they just never follow up on that. It's crazy.
And they hope nobody calls them out on the bullshit. But smart teams like the Rams and Saints, they're just like, okay, we see through this game.
Yeah, we're just going to keep worrying about it later, keep hoping the cap goes up, keep hoping nothing happens, and it's working. Yeah.
Yeah. It's smart.
I'm at the point now where i respect it as someone who loves to do similar things where it's like oh i'll do that yeah in the future oh i'll do that in three months oh i'll you know yeah sign me up for that stupid bets like that's it's a great way to live i honestly look at the teams that have the most salary cap available and they're always the worst teams yeah it's like you you suck yeah you need to go spend some money spend your money yeah live today like there's no tomorrow they're always the worst teams. It's like you suck.
You need to fill this room up. Go spend your money.
Yeah, live today like there's no tomorrow. Basically, the Rams have a target wooden board above all their doors.
Live, laugh, love. Yeah, that should really be the live tours.
If they co-opted that, it'd be great. Live, laugh, love, unless it's same sex.
Yeah. Or live like you were dying.
Yeah, because you might. Because you might if you piss us off.
Yes, exactly. All right.
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Okay, we are welcoming on our very good friend. It is right after the game, so it's a time cap.
So we going to run this on Friday's show, but it's a time capsule. We're getting instant reaction from one of the smartest basketball minds in the world.
It is our good friend, Kirk Goldsberry. I don't know where we want to start, Kirk.
I actually know exactly where we want to start because I know you have a higher understanding of the game. You have numbers that you can give us, but I have a question just from the jump.
Is it fair to say, throw out like the shot making and you know, the fact that Celtics are probably more talented, the Celtics just straight up out hustled the Warriors tonight and like rebounding to me, the Celtics are bigger, but still rebounding is a lot of hustle. And it was like right from the jump.
They basically were like, no, we're just going to get every 50-50 ball. Yeah, it's fair to say they trucked them, man.
That's the word that I kept thinking. They are a bigger team.
They are a stronger team. And for the first time in the series, I think they really asserted that big cat.
When they won in game one, it was like crazy three-point shooting. They looked like a lost team in game two, and then in game three, they looked like

the best team in the NBA in large part because

everybody in the rotation played

hard, played smart,

and like you said, the rebounding numbers

were good, and the points in the paint

numbers were good.

I think Boston only had 24

points in the paint in game two. They more

than doubled that tonight,

which isn't just a stat. It's proof

that Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown were

Thank you. But I think Boston only had 24 points in the paint game, too.
They more than doubled that tonight, which isn't just a stat. It's proof that Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown were playing aggressive, asserting their physical advantages and making plays in the teeth of the Warriors defense.
So for me, yeah, it's fair to say they out-hustled them. The word I kept thinking, they trucked those dudes.
They were bigger, stronger, and better. I like that.
Would you say, like, are the Celtics, are they intimidating? Are the Warriors a little bit intimidated? When they play like that, PFT, they are. They look like the biggest, baddest group of dudes in the league.
But what's weird about the series is in game two, they didn't look like that at all. It looked like Draymond could get in their heads.
Looks like they couldn't dribble down the court without dribbling off their foot. And they were afraid to make plays or couldn't get plays made in the paint.
And so when they play like they did in that raucous arena with guys like Hank, three drinks in, four drinks in, Guy Fieri sitting there, it's intimidating, man. It's intimidating for a team like the Golden State Warriors to go in there and play against a team like that.
Yeah, this is a big dub for everybody that said like five years ago that the Golden State Warriors were soft, that they were a soft team. And now if you wait long enough on a take and they run into a team that will truck you like the Celtics, you could eventually be proven right.
Also, if Draymond Green just ends up falling off completely. Is it fair to say from a basketball nerd standpoint, does Draymond suck now? Does Draymond suck now? I'm not ready to go there, but Draymond has not been good enough PFT, and I think he's the key to the series if the Warriors want to win it.
I think Draymond would own up to not being good tonight. I mean, he fouled out, and that might have been the difference.
The Splash Brothers were actually pretty good, right? They made a lot of threes and the warriors defense let them down tonight. PFT after holding Boston to 88 points in game two and looking like themselves, they gave up one 16 tonight.
We're slow on rotations. They got toasted on the boards.
Like big cat said, and simply put they got beat up. And, and, and one of the things I like about dream on guys is that he'll own the Dean.
He says, Steph runs the offense. I run the defense.
Well, if that's true, this one's on you and your leadership to get back into the series because, Draymond, you weren't good enough. You fouled out.
Your shooting numbers have been miserable, but we expect you to be better on defense. Yeah, he shouldn't shoot threes like ever.
The game was great. Even though it ends up being a 16-point game, it felt like a great game because the Celtics jumped all over him.
The third quarter Warriors showed up. We got to see a seven-point possession, which I don't think we've ever seen before, which was crazy.
Now, I tweeted at you, Kirk. Did you have some flashbacks knowing that the Warriors then benefited from a landing space call? Oh, God.
Zaza taking out Kawhi when they were down like 20 in that playoff game, and you were sitting there. Were you in there? You were obviously in the arena when Kawhi went out.
Yes, I was working for the San Antonio Spurs in the front office during that awful game. We were up, I think, 26, Big Cat.
And then the Zaza play happened. And Kawhi was already limping around a little bit.
Some people think that Zaza targeted his ankle. Some people don't.
Regardless, Kawhi was out. It changed the sport forever because now we have these.
And you're right, Al Horford, who I don't think is a dirty player, was contesting the greatest shooter in the world. And he came down trying like heck to contest that shot.
And Stefan landed on his foot and it was scary because Stefan has those ankle problems himself. And man, those are dangerous plays.
I did have flashbacks. In fact, my wife texted me and she was like, did you hear the announcers? I'm still mad.
She's still more mad about it than I am. But it's a dirty, dirty situation.
That gave me flashback. Short answer, yes.
Hell yes. Now, in fairness, talking about Draymond, he also broke the code.
I don't know if you saw. He tried to tug on Jason Tatum's arm after a free throw.
He also kind of fell on Jalen Brown. It's like he's right on that edge where he's constantly like, you know, like I feel like NBA fans 50 and up are like, man, this is good, just hard basketball.
And then everyone's like, dude, are you just intentionally trying to rip his shoulder out of his socket? Like, what the fuck? Yeah, he's he he messes with that rod in line like if you're rooting for him like if you're a bulls fan in the 90s against carl malone oh my god this guy's incredible what what a ferocious defensive presence he is and and then if you're rooting for the jazz like this guy's a maniacal jerk you know i hate this guy uh and that's draymond and that's what he brings to this Warriors team. And without him, big cat, to PFT's earlier point, without him, their defense isn't going to be good enough to beat this Celtics team.
I have one sort of dumb guy stat that I'll throw out to you. The Celtics are now 11-0 when they score 108 points in these playoffs.
And they're 3-7 when they don't. So if you're Draymond Green in this defense, you need to hold the Celtics below that magic number because the Celtics defense doesn't take a night off.
Yeah, and on top of that, it's the turnover stat that everyone's seen at this point where the Celtics with 16 or more turnovers are basically, I think they're 0-5 or something like that, or maybe 1-5 in the playoffs. And then when they have 15 or less turnovers, they're essentially unbeatable.
I think like 13-2 or something. So yeah, I mean, the defense, it seems like that's like you need to make the Celtics make mistakes and you need to hold them to let, you know, obviously it's a dumb guy stat under, you want them to score less, but you're right.
Like Draymond, he is the X factor on that part, and he totally failed tonight. It seems like this series is pretty consistent when Golden State has the ball.
They're going to end up with 105, 110 points. But yeah, we're seeing a lot of variance when the Celtics have the basketball because of those turnovers and because of Golden State's ability to be more physical or keep up with the physicality of the Celtics on that.
So yeah, keep your eyes. When the Celtics have the ball, are there shots going in? Jason Tatum's had a couple bad nights shooting the ball.
He was great tonight. But his passing, their ability to get into the paint in Game 3 was the big difference.
So if that's a trend going forward, the Warriors are in trouble. Draymond can now flip the switch and be like, channel that crazy Draymond energy like he did in game two and hold that Celtics defense down.
We're going to have a long seven-game series. I still think that's where this is going.
But game four is going to be huge if Draymond and that defense can hold the Celtics down to 108 or less. They have a good chance.
Right. So you mentioned Tatum's off night when they had the loss.
What you do in an off night doesn't matter if you lose, according to the people that vote on the MVP award for the finals. And this is something that we're tracking here very closely.
Part of my take, because Billy has to go vegan for an entire month, including the 4th of July, which is like his, that's Billy time. And we need to get an update on who, in your estimation, is tracking to be the MVP of this series.
Is it going to be Tatum, or is it going to be Brown? Let me give you the stats, too, real quick, Kirk. So Jalen Brown, 68 points, 22 rebounds, 13 assists.
Jason Tatum, 66 points, 17 rebounds, 25 assists. So pretty statistically, they're pretty much the same right now.
Yeah, I think it's time to fire up the Impossible Burgers because I'm going Jason Tatum, folks. And I think Billy's, I would recommend the Impossible Burgers.
They're better than you think they are they're not bad they're not bad I don't think he'll enjoy them quite as much as an all-beef patty but I think Jason Tatum is going to win the MVP because the Celtics are only going to win the series if Jason Tatum has a few more good games and his passing in particular guys has been great in been great. In that game one, he had a terrible night shooting, but his passes created 35 points for the Celtics.
He can score it, pass it, rebound it, steal it. He's just slightly more complete and slightly more important to the Celtics' success, in my opinion.
So I think he's a safer bet. Now, I'm not going to be shocked, PFT, if Jalen Brown wins the MVP, if the Celtics win the series.
But my money and my impossible burgers would be on Jason Tatum at this point. It does feel like, to make the Jalen Brown argument, it feels like he gets them going a lot faster.
Like, tonight, I think game one was similar. Mark Jackson astutely said Jalen Brown was the best player in the first quarter after he dropped 17, five and three.
And he does though, like, it feels like he gets them in a spot where then Jason Tatum can take over later on in the game, which I guess, I mean, winning time is probably going to win the MVP, but it like that, that first quarter when the Celtics jumped on him and had that energy, that was a lot because of Jalen Brown and him driving and hitting open shots. Yeah, he scored 17.
He assisted on seven more in that first quarter, I think. So that's 24 by my count.
And the dubs only had 22 points. And Jalen, you're exactly right.
He's been that, I think, twice by my count in these first three games. He has been the spark.
He has been the leader right when the game starts setting the tone. So, you know, like I said, if Jalen Brown wins the finals MVP, good for Jalen Brown.
He could, there's definitely a pathway path where he deserves it. And he was great in game three, especially at the beginning when the Celtics sort of needed that big start at home.
And he gave it to them in a way that Jason did, but Jason caught up by the end of the game, had a great game. And, but if Tatum has these moments like he's had in the last couple of games where at the very start of the game, he like grabs his shoulder and winces in pain and acts like he needs to get it amputated that whole thing.
If he keeps doing that and the stats are even, I feel like that's tilting it a little bit towards Jason Tatum because he's a warrior. Yeah.
Well, remember when Paul Pierce won the finals MVP, you know, he's been known to go out in a wheelchair and come back in. So, you know, Jason's just carrying on a proud Celtics tradition.
Tatum needs to shit his pants. It is, it is very Roethlisberger esque that Jason Tatum, like it's, I don't think he's, I think he's obviously got an injury.
I'm not saying he doesn't have an injury, but he does do a good job to PFT's point of reminding everyone about his injury very early on where you're like, there's been multiple times this playoffs where I'm like, oh, is Jason Tatum really hurt? And it's like, no. Then he dropped 27.
Wait, does this is this is medical tape on his shoulder. PFT have an accent talk like the walking boot does for big man.
let's do we have a bit yes uh je ne sais je ne sais pas qu'est-ce que c'est avec avec mon oh qu'est-ce que c'est avec mon shoulder don't touch my shoulder that's exactly right we just burned a new uh walking boot all right so wait kirk you just said uh this game this series is going seven so if that were to the case, I would assume the Warriors would – it would be very hard for them to obviously come back from a 3-1 lead. We've seen it happen.
Has it ever happened? Have we ever seen? Yeah. But if the Warriors are going to win – to make this a long series, I think they probably have to win Friday night.
So what are the adjustments? What do they have to change to to win this game and it might even just be the celtics have been so jekyll and hyde all playoffs just let the celtics implode because it does feel like they have a game like this and then they play a bad game then they play a great game and then they just hope that they end up winning in game seven which they've done twice so far yeah i think you're right big god It does seem like they're great after a loss. There's now 7-0 in these playoffs after a loss.
The Boston Celtics are, which is the longest such streak in playoff history. So to get to that, you have to lose a bunch of games.
Right. And you can't lose a couple in a row, obviously.
So it does seem like the Celtics are due for a loss. Now that's again, dumb guy reasoning.
It's all about the defense. Draymond, Kavon Looney, the bigs have to do a better job on the glass.
They have to out sort of match their own size. They have to over-index on the boards and rim protection in a way they did not do in game three, but in a way they did do in game two.

They have to be physical without fouling out. Now, Draymond has fouled out twice in the series.

His physicality has to be perfectly calibrated in game four to get those stops without going over the top. We've seen him teetering on the edge.
We've seen him cost this Golden State team

a finals before by getting kicked out of a game or suspended for a game with his kick into LeBron's

Thank you. on the edge.
We've seen him cost this Golden State team a finals before by getting kicked out of a game or suspended for a game with his kick into LeBron's area of sensitivity there. So I think it comes down to Draymond Green.
PFT asked me earlier, is Draymond just bad now? I don't think he's bad, but he needs to be better. If he isn't, the series isn't going to go to seven.
So I think they need to win that defensive battle in game four.

I can't believe we've gone this

long without asking you about the basket

before the game.

Before the game started,

the basket was identified

as being potentially a couple inches

too tall by a member of the Warriors staff.

They went out, they measured it. I never

even knew that that tool existed, which is

just like a rod that you hang from the rim

to measure seven Thank you. too tall by a member of the Warriors staff.
They went out, they measured it. I, I never even knew that that tool existed,

which is just like a rod that you hang from the rim.

Norman measure seven to measure 10 feet.

So is that something that you've ever even heard of in your days?

Like would pop have some guy walk out onto the court and measure the basket

before every game?

Yeah. There's a legendary shooting coach at the Spurs named Chip England,

who is one of the most brilliant shooting coaches and player development coaches in NBA history. But he's also very, very observant about the inflation of the basketball, the springiness of the rim, whether the rim is crooked, whether it's too high or too low.
So, yes, this is something that the good teams and all teams really have. I've never seen it be too high or too low um so yes there this is this is something that the good teams and all teams really have ever seen it be too high or too low sometimes you see that crooked the crooked thing um i think it would be fun if the celtics actually had a smaller rim or like a carny rim like a you know it's not it's 18 inches wide but if they had like a 16 inch rim that would be they have any splashes you get with a 16 inch rim yeah you know what i mean it's also funny because everyone obviously made bill belichick jokes after it but it's like know your history like this is a red aurbak move like it's almost you can almost tip your hat and be like it's probably the ghost of red aurbak being like yeah you you don't get to go to boston in the playoffs and not have to deal with at least something weird.
Something weird. Remember, the court had the dead spots, and only the Celtics knew where the ball would sort of bounce abnormally, and the other team wouldn't, and that caused a bunch of turnover.
So, yeah, it's gamesmanship. But, yeah, it was an interesting moment, as was when your colleague Hank almost shot a corner three from the left three there.
He should have let that go, guys.'s gotta let that go he's a genius actually because if you if you miss then that's following you around forever like forever do you think we're gonna ever let that go that's gonna be like hank's calling card for the rest of his life now if he makes it i don't i actually don't think that he would get kicked out no i don't he wouldn't he because he's with dave Dave and those seats. I think they're literally on the Celtics Instagram right now being like big names, big games, and it's Dave, Hank, and Guy Fieri.
And Bill Walton. Yeah, and I don't think he'd get kicked out.
And if he made that. He's a legend at Boston.
What does he shoot from the left corner? Big cat. Does he shoot 30% from the left corner? What do we say? So I want to be, I love Hank.
I love him to death. I've played basketball with Hank many times.
He would have missed that shot without a doubt because he's not a bad shooter, but he is one of those shooters that has to find his rhythm. He would have airballed it.
I think he would actually agree with me because he's like one of those guys that he'll show up to the gym. First three shots won't even hit rim and then he'll hit like eight or nine in a row.
But the first shot, no chance. Like it's hard to hit the first shot if you haven't been shooting for anyone.
Then he absolutely made the right call, not shooting that ball. If he needed to

warm up and he's going to airball that, that's

a bad look, right? If he shoots an airball, it gets

kicked out. Yeah.

The counterpoint would be, though, he looked like

he caught that in rhythm. He had

Clay Thompson quick release on that.

Yeah, he was already in his pocket.

Yeah, he was there.

I was proud of him. He actually

had a better night from three than Draymond did.

Can you make

one of your heat maps

Thank you. He was there.
I was proud of him. He actually had a better night from three than Draymond did.
Can you make one of your heat maps for Hank? Like his 0 for 0 from that corner? Yeah, he has the same numbers made threes as Draymond in this series. Draymond should stop shooting threes.
I know he has to every now and then to try to keep people honest, but it's like, it actually does the opposite. It's like everyone just is reminded that he cannot shoot threes.
Well, real talk when they have Looney and Draymond out there, it's like they're playing three on five on offense. And if Looney's not getting easy looks at the rim and that's bad.
And that's one thing to watch. Like Stefan Stephan and Klay, Wiggins, Poole to some extent,

are carrying this offense.

They need somebody else, Looney or Draymond,

to have something to give on offense. Because, yeah, it seems like it's three on five

when they have their two-big lineup out there.

And that's not going to get it done against the Celtics team

that has a much sort of more robust group of scorers in the game

at almost all times.

Yeah, I like Kevon Looney just because he sets awesome screens,

and I noticed that he puts some meat on it.

I actually have a nerdy basketball question for you

because it's obviously very funny whenever you just are scrolling through Twitter

and it seems like everyone sitting on their couch has an answer

to how to play defense in an NBA Fin finals game. But it's obviously been discussed.
Like the Warriors are running less of their motion, you know, everyone running around and more pick and roll with Steph up top. And there was a few times where Al Horford got caught, especially the seven point possession where he's doing drop coverage.
Everyone's like, you can't drop coverage you can't do this like i i just feel like sometimes steph is so good i know you have to be up on him and you can't give him even a second but it's also one of those easy twitter answers that everyone has where they're like coaching and it's like i it has to be more difficult than that like what's the solution for the celtics uh because it does seem to happen a lot where they run a pick and roll and stuff gets that little glimmer and he hits the shot yeah he's been awesome and they're following the numbers big cat those pick and roll efficiencies this series have been great for stephan and they are you're exactly right getting away from the motion so i think it starts with marcus or whoever's at the point of attack trying to get over the screen uh not necessarily relying on the drop coverage or the switch with somebody like Al Horford or Robert Williams to defend that quick, dancey ball handling that Stefan likes to do. So can they get the ball out of Stefan's hands by blitzing him? Can Marcus Smart do a better job of fighting over these screens? They need to find a better way to stop him.
Stefan did what he needed to do offensively tonight. Again, I keep hitting this point.
Stefan is not the problem. He is beating the Celtics in the exact same way.
This might be his best finals performance we've seen. Period.
And his team isn't there. This isn't a deep enough team.
The problem isn't there. It's on the other guys and on the defensive end tonight again.
So Stefan is carrying it. Clay was even great in game three.
It was nice to see that, but I think it just speaks that there's no Sean Livingston here. Andre Godal is not what he used to be.
Draymond isn't doing much. Jordan Poole hasn't really flexed aside from that crazy late game and the shots in game two when the game was kind of locked up.
But, yeah, they need more on offense aside from Stephanie. Well, you're going to get us roasted online because of what you just said.
You forgot. I mean, Kevin Durant would be nice to have right now too.
Yes, I think Kevin Durant would be nice to have right now. And you know what? I would be nice to have right now and you know what i'll leave that to steven a and some of my colleagues at espn i'm sure they'll hit this one up uh but for me but you know this is a team that that won without kevin and then obviously won two with kevin but kevin won those finals mvps for good reason when they play a great defense, but you know who shut down Kevin in these playoffs? This Celtics defense.
True.

Good point. Kevin won those finals MVPs for good reason when they play a great defense.
But you know who shut down Kevin in these playoffs? This Celtics defense. True.
And Stefan, you know, if you want to get into the talking heads game, Stefan is doing better against this exact same defense than Kevin did in the first round. So I think that's interesting.
But, yeah, obviously, if the Warriors had both of those dudes, this would be a different vibe in the series. Okay.
so it just occurred to me what is probably going to happen, what I hope happens now, especially for the talking head situation. I'm hoping that we get a Celtics series win and Steph Curry gets his first finals MVP out of that.
That would be the ultimate, wouldn't it? That would be so great. Threading the take needle.
That's what we need to happen.

Nick Wright wouldn't know what to say.

It would be, that would be incredible.

Incredible.

That would be the perfect ending.

It would be the probably, yeah, the perfect ending of this series.

I don't know what the talking heads would make of that, guys.

I think that, I think that like first take would just implode on itself. I don't know if know if the power of Skip's own brain would probably give him a stroke.

And he probably wouldn't make it.

Isn't that a lot of red meat, though, PFT?

That's a lot of red meat.

You can't give the finals MVP to a losing player.

Isn't that what you do?

Isn't that the take?

Well, I think the conversation has become so much bigger than just that.

It's now a reflection on Steph's entire legacy that the only finals mvp he got was when they lost then you can go it's one of those things that will become a rorschach test where you can take that little nugget right there and stretch it to to back up whatever argument you had previously made it's going to be amazing that's that's now what we have to root for and by the way i i still still do. I love that.
You call him Stefan. Yeah.
It's the best level of, of comfort with him. Like, you know, the guy I don't, I've been, I've been like slandering his name by calling him Steph this whole time.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, he, I go by, I call him Stefan. I think that's old fashioned.
I think that's what we were calling him at Davidson. I don't know why everybody chose Steph.
I feel like that's a little personal. I'm not there with him yet, but maybe, you know, a couple more hangs, a couple more golf games and I can get there with him.
I don't know. By the way, the other, there's two other players I want to talk about real quick.
Marcus Smart played great. And then he had like a very impactful game, you know, scored a lot of points.
And then Andrew Wiggins, because you're talking about like they need someone else i just looked up i looked it up andrew wiggins had 18 tonight he's got like the quietest 18 in the world i i think it's maybe just the fact that like he hasn't been able to hit those big threes when he's open but it it feels like they're gonna need like 30 from him one night to to steal one of these games yeah i agree with that you know he's great in transition uh he gives them dunks he has the potential to tear the internet down with a dunk uh that could help the momentum they're finding him open for three he's got to make those uh but you're right like he is one of the two guys the other one being Poole that could sneak in a 28 point game here and really lift this offense over the hump. Marcus Smart was awesome tonight.
It feels like he's finally getting back from his injury, you know, and one of the cool stats that came out of this tonight was that, that Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, Marcus Smart are the first trio to have 20 points, five rebounds and five assists in the finals game since Kareem Magic and Michael Cooper did it in 1984. Again, super weird, esoteric ESPN stat.
I love those, but it just proves that this is a deep team, and these three guys were all contributing tonight in Boston in a big game and all played very, very well in a way that the Warriors don't have that kind of depth. That's a stat that we need to hear somebody like Wiggins or Poole getting numbers that they haven't been getting so they can match a stat like that.
I don't think that's going to happen. That is a very cool stat.
Can you explain to us, maybe if you have another dumb or a smart way, or I guess a dumb way to say something smart. The fourth quarter starts and the Celtics respond to the third quarter Warriors onslaught because you don't see many teams bounce back from taking that beating from the Warriors in the third quarter.
It can demoralize, but the Celtics, like, I would just be like they're a tough team is what I would say. But from like a basketball perspective, is there any way that you can quantify what the Celtics were able to do or what they changed, what they did differently from what most teams do after they received that beat down from the third quarter warriors? Yeah.
I had that in my nose PFC. So yeah, they take the haymaker in game one.
They respond with an awesome game or fourth quarter three point shooting clinic. What was interesting in game one was that Stephen Curry took his normal rest at the beginning of the fourth quarter and sat the first six minutes, and that's when the game flipped.
Tonight, Steve Kerr actually rested Stephen Curry at the end of the third. Now you have me in my head about what am I calling this? No, it's good.
I don't mean to do that. I like it when you do it.
But yeah, so Steph came out and played the first part of the fourth quarter, and it still didn't really affect it. So I think they're trying to tweak their rotations because the Warriors are a much better team statistically when Stephen Curry's on the court shot right now.
But in game one, they tried to sort of – they exploited no Stephen in the court at the beginning of that fourth. Tonight he was out there and they still did it.
I think it's just, you know, the Golden State Warriors deserve a lot of credit for having this third quarter magic haymaker that they can throw. They threw it again tonight.
But yeah, I think it is a real sign of the toughness of this team, especially on offense, that they can come back out and throw their own haymaker in the fourth. It's won both game one and game three for us.
Yeah. Should we start talking more about like the fourth quarter Celtics? Is that a thing? Hey.
Yeah. I think we should make that a series.
That's the other thing. Let's do a thing.
Let's keep it game four. It does.
And Steph did have foul trouble, which I, everyone was expecting a Scott Foster game. Everyone expecting the rest to control this game.
I don't think that that happened. Like, I big news big cat yeah i was behind scott foster in the metal detector line on the way to the arena yeah i had to talk to him for a second it was very exciting what do you say how many cell phones did he have did he whisper in your ear like hey take the celtics take the under take the under yeah the over hit no he's i think he's i think he's 12 and 0 in celtics games I saw saw this that i'm gonna pull it up but yeah he probably whispered to you so he's 12 and 0 uh in celtics games this year wasn't that or the celtics 12 and i'll be this guy wasn't that uh wasn't that fake fake it was fake okay then maybe it was fake yeah i guess scott foster's reached a level where any stat, I'll be like, oh yeah, that makes makes sense.
He's 29-1 in Boston. He basically gave Chris Paul COVID for game seven of the MAP series.
That's right. He's out there, yeah.
He injected him with COVID. We need to start making up ref stats because they're so hard to track.
Nobody knows how to find that data. So memes, that's what we need to do before the next game.
Just find out who one of the refs is and just make something like completely out of thin air up. Yeah, I definitely got duped.
Yeah, I got duped because Scott Foster, like you could tell me anything about Scott Foster, any which way. And I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, it's like a Chuck Norris bit at this point with that guy. You can make up anything.
It sounds true. Everybody hates him.
He's like the ref that every team in the league thinks hates them, which is impossible. But yeah, here he is in game three.
And I don't think the officiating really had an effect on this game at all. But yeah, it was interesting for me to be behind him

in the metal detector line going into the arena

being like, oh gosh, you know,

I hope one of us gets out of here alive tonight.

Go ahead and do that game.

Yeah, I actually thought like there was obviously

there were some like significant fouls,

Steph Curry getting foul trouble,

but I thought it was a pretty physical game

and they let him play for the most part.

I mean, there were some, you know,

there's a decent amount of foul shots, but like there was some physical, physical play happening, which I love to see. Yeah.
Guys were fighting into screens, colliding with screeners. Draymond was playing super physical.
In fact, got disqualified for it. And then Stefan had a couple of dumb reach in fouls.
His fourth foul. I remember when he was behind Marcus Smart in the third quarter, just yanking at the at the which is just a bad foul.
If you're trying to be finals MVP, you can't be in foul trouble. But to Steve Kerr's credit, he didn't, quote-unquote, foul out his own players.
He let him play through the foul trouble and ended up being okay. But yeah, I think that's something to watch too, especially with Draymond who's been disqualified in two of these three games because of those fouls.
And he can't be doing that if they want to win game four. Big cat.
Do you have a rowback question? Cause I've got one here from, from Bubba. I don't know.
Do you know Bubba? Have you met Bubba? New Orleans? Was he, was he in New Orleans? He was. Yeah.
Yeah. He was by memory.
So yeah, it's the rowback question. Promo code.
We hung out. I think it at the ball.
We did. Yeah.
Okay. So I ball we did yeah yeah okay so i have wait wait wait bubble we have set this up this is the roback roback question promo code take 20 off we'll send you some kirk we've got some right here here's a polo for you you love roback you're always so generous with that yeah 20 off use promo code take all right with a roback question here's Bubba okay is there I want you to look at the stats for when they change to that courtside angle when you're watching the broadcast I feel like shots never go in never bad angle yeah I don't I don't know yeah like if if somebody has run stats on that I think like I I don't know I think there's some juju about it that it might get in the players' heads.
Yeah. That might trigger the magnets and the rims that we know are in there.
Yeah. It's like there's some sort of magnetic field when they change the camera, the magnets and the rims are activated and their shots never go in, huh? Yeah.
It could be. You can get bad angles.
It happens in football when they go to the Skycam. There's only been one good play ever.
Corral Patterson. The kick return.
Besides that, bad angles have killed many thirst traps on Instagram. We know.
Exactly. It's all about the angles.
Listen, I'm the king of bad angles when I take pictures. So I understand this.
You look like a different person. I also, if we're doing dumb stats that you should track, I don't know.
Are you going to game four? Hell yeah. You're going to game four.
I would love, if you're watching, are you going to game five? Are you going to San Francisco? No, it's too far. Okay.
So I would love to just get someone to do an actual stat breakdown of how many bangs Mike Breen does. because it felt like he was making up for lost time tonight with the COVID that he's been out for.
I don't know. That would just be a very funny like bangs by quarter.
Like when is it most likely? Well, to be fair to Mike, you know, the Splash Brothers hit I think 10 or 11 of them tonight. So those are, he's almost going to always give a bang for either one of those dudes.
Yeah. And so there was probably 10 of them there, you know, Stefan hits when he's always getting a bang.
But yeah, I'm not like trying to tell you how to do your job, but I would look at a map of Mike Breen's bangs, like an illustration forever. I would just stare at it.
Like, you know, what, what time and like, you know, when it peaks and everything. I think, I think we can take it even farther and do like decibels and everything like like audio that's good on it yeah yeah that's good yeah when stefan hit that shot in oklahoma city in 2016 from like 35 feet he gave the real double bang he was so excited yeah the double one for luca i think in maybe the bubble that was the last double bang we've had oh that was.
Yeah, the clipper one. Yeah, that was an incredible shot from the left wing.
But yeah, man, I got to make that map. We'll sell that.
Oh, I got to plug something too. We got to plug something.
Yeah, we got Father's Day. Are people buying it again? Because it's the best Father's Day.
I got it from my dad. It's the best Father's Day gift out there.
Yeah, but breaking news, breaking news moves we have a baseball map breaking moves

he's not here wait you did you say baseball map yeah we made the past time national park soon if your dad likes baseball yeah you're like let me just get more into the dad culture i'm gonna do yeah we should do a steely dan map next I love it

Big Cat are going to do a Grateful Dead one

Yes I actually told him baseball if we could do a grateful dead uh like so like all-time songs played and everything i would stare at that forever forever but what's the baseball map so i took the map of the baseball field and labeled it with a bunch of famous plays and obviously Hall of Fame players. There's even Big Cat Meadow on there named after either you or Andres Galarraga.
I can't remember which, but it's on there. But yeah, if you go to the golden hexagon dot com, I really do think it's a great Father's Day gift.
If your dad likes maps and or basketball or baseball. Yeah, I'm going to I'm going you guys no no no no i get the row back i'll just send you guys some you're never getting the row back that's part of the bit you're gonna send it to us and then i'm gonna feel like i have to send you a shirt and then i'm gonna have to mail that map then to my dad all right yep framed yeah i'm gonna get the framed one how about that i'm gonna spl dude.
I'm going to buy all these. Yeah, buy it now.
Sorry, I'm going to make you watch me buy your map right now, Kirk. We get paid $83,000 an episode.
We can afford these maps. Oh my god.
What the fuck? So the crazy part is like you, when you just plugged your map right then, in the time that you spent doing that, that paid for my map. It paid for all of our, paid for multiple maps.
Thank you though, Kirk. you though kirk we really appreciate this fun i like these type of games i i watch that game and i just want to talk about it right away so when we have it on a wednesday night and it's an off night it's like i'm i'm happy that you were able to hop on with us because i feel i feel good that i was able to dump my brain out and then now we can you know tomorrow we can we can talk to Hank and hear about Guy Fieri in the club.

Dude, he's not going to be up for a little bit. Hey, last, last question.

Who's going to win? Who do you guys got in the series?

I think the Celtics are the better team significantly.

I have a future on the Warriors.

I was hoping the Warriors would go up like one, nothing,

and I'd be able to hedge back. But I think the Celtics are just,

the only thing that can stop the Celtics at this point are the Celtics. Like they have to beat themselves.
Yeah. And that could happen.
But I would say if you play this series 10 times, the Celtics win it eight times. Yeah.
I think they just have too much size. Basketball is a pretty simple game.
The bigger, stronger team a lot of times wins. I think it's Celtics.
Yeah, Celtics

in six is what I got. I think

Boston wins the next game. Golden

State comes back to Boston. They win.

There it is. Yeah, I'll end it

with this. I mean, can you imagine the party in Boston,

Massachusetts if they win this thing at home

in game six? I mean,

Hank will tell us all about it because he'll probably

be partying in the

locker room with the guys after the game. Yeah, it'll be quite the scene and Hank will be in the middle of it.
Yeah. All right, Kirk.
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And now here is my best friend in the entire world, Danny Woodhead. And now for something completely different.
Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, longtime friend, recurring guest. It is Danny Woodhead.
If you saw the news, most people did. Actually, I don't know how many people follow the U.S.
Open qualifying.

Danny made it to the last qualifying.

Fell a little short, but we wanted to have him on.

And honestly, this is going to sound sappy.

I wanted you to come on just to be like, dude, I'm proud of you.

It was incredible you got that far, especially considering the fact that you were like a couple years ago.

We're like, I'm going to start golfing.

And then you were two rounds away from the U.S. Open.
How's it going? I know it's a little bittersweet, but we wanted to catch up with you. Man, I appreciate it.
Yeah, it is a little bittersweet. Played 32 pretty good holes of golf.
Not great, but 32 pretty good. Four holes that just kind of were stupid, but is what it is man like this is not the last time i'll be trying to do it yeah um i mean it's like you said like four years ago if if you would have told me i had a chance i was 36 holes away from being at the u.s open i would have thought you were a moron, but like I, the truth is like, I was at that situation and man, it's been a, it's been a wild ride, like in my golf journey, but man, I love it.
I love playing. I still like today, I'm definitely not going to touch a club, but I, uh, probably tomorrow I'll be back at it just like, cause I, I need to get better.
I wasn't good enough. I could see how like on a day I'm playing good that I could shoot the number to get in.
Yes. But like that's the huge difference in an AM and a pro.
The pros consistently do it and they're going to be in it regardless. Where I would have need to have a really good day like those guys don't need a really good day i would have needed a really good day and uh it just wasn't there but man it's wild yeah wild to say the least yeah that's that would probably have been and we spoke on the phone before you went to this tournament.
But I think I told you this. That would have been your biggest athletic accomplishment of all time.
And you're a guy that's played. How many way you played for four NFL teams? Yeah, I'd like 40 touchdowns that qualifying for the US Open would have been the craziest athletic accomplishment of your life.
And it wouldn't have been close. Like, I mean, I would even say.
Because there were a lot of pros at the qualifier to my initial qualifier i thought you were playing against duffner well and the thing is it's like it's just one of those things you're like just even just even get to ohio that way it ranks up there with a lot of my athletic achievements because it's also something i'm not supposed to be good at, right? Like it's something that like I'm supposed to suck. How many NFL running backs play golf period? I don't know.
Maybe 0.4%. Like it's just, it's not really a number.
Maybe one guy on in the NFL does now. So like, I just felt like the odds weren't for me to even get to that, to that qualifier.
And it's just, man, to get in was nuts. I had to get into the Ohio one.
I had to beat pros at my club or at the qualifier that was at my club. And yeah, so like, it's just a weird thing that I never thought was thought was really is almost like I didn't think that could be reality.

And then when it was and even when I went out to Ohio and played, even though I didn't post great scores, I was like, maybe I'm not that bad at golf.

Yeah, I think you're good now.

I think we can officially say like Danny Woodhead above average golfer.

And I like the fact that you're just you're going to keep grinding and, you grinding. I'd put my money on you someday being in the U.S.
Open. I wouldn't.
Betting against Danny Woodhead and his will to accomplish. I mean, it's more fun if you bet against me.
No, but like. Because then I hate you.
No, I'll tell you something. No, seriously, we live in a very cynical time.
And I think a lot of people are about sports um but i was like when when i saw that you were in this i was like i was actually proud it's a weird thing to say but i was like damn this is awesome now i do have one question though about your your uh setup in like you know the last two days do you think the shorts might hurt you a little bit because it is kind of like dress for the job you want uh situation i saw you out that's a good one yeah your legs are obviously incredible you know well i mean guy to guy but yeah in my butt yeah i feel like i have some gifts there right definitely um i would say i have a gift in my butt um the thing is too with pants I could have wore some

pants that just showed it off a little and even if they were baggy

it's big enough that it's still going to show it off a little

you could have worn yoga pants that would have been something

I just saw it how nails would that have been

me in yoga pants just strutting around

some Lululemon

Danny Woodhead sponsored by Lululemon

I guarantee I'd be wearing a thong because you don't want

I think... yoga pants just strutting around but then some lululemon yeah danny would head sponsored by lululemon fellas but i guarantee i'd be wearing a thong because you don't want any lines yeah but i don't i did see it and i was like i i believe that he's here he's very good at golf he's right there and then i saw the shorts and i was like wait i don't know he's got he's got to take that next step in his game where he feels comfortable golfing in pants because you know that once you get there, you have to wear pants.
It might be a stupid rule. It is a stupid rule.
It is a dumb rule. But I think you might be on to something.
And I think there's a good chance, say, next qualifier I make, I'm wearing pants. I might go joggers route, though.
Yeah. Because that's legal.
Yep. But, I mean, my gift will be shown off either way and i i mean and and in some ways i don't know if it was a smart thing because i don't want i shouldn't want people looking at me no don't apologize for your body that's yeah that's their problem it would be awesome too when you get to the u.s open and you're like you know you're uh popping in locking and popping on on when you go to pick up the ball and your tea every time just showing off the booty that's how you get on tv yeah you yeah i don't i don't put the tea in the ground like the the standard ones like i'm like making sure i'm like way down yeah you're popping it you're twerking on the tea box maybe wearing some heels yeah really lifting it's like that's super weird why does wood woodhead puts the tea in weird he puts it in with his mouth what is he doing what this is this is so weird the tea's in his mouth and so is the ball it doesn't make sense at all wait so the – can we talk about the four holes? Let's just break it down.
So what happened? Because I saw you started on Monday. I think you were, what, minus one through five? Yeah.
And it was like, ooh, we were following. We're like, uh-oh, this could happen.
What were the four holes and were they consecutive or they were just scattered? So on hole nine, I was even par going into hole nine.

I will say very tough hole. So this course, there's certain places if you hit it,

you can be absolutely dead, just dead.

And I end up doubling it.

And it just kind of put me in a tough spot

being too over going into hole 10.

And hole 10, I end up bogeyingying that one here. That could have been whatever.
Um, but it was just, uh, it was just a tough, um, it was just a tough few holes that I had. There were also a few, like three holes later, I double when I hit a sand shot to three or four feet.
And because of the greens, it was a spot you can't miss it in. I had to play it like two feet out to the left.
And it's like a three or four footer. And I touched it and it rolled like seven, eight feet past.
Damn. And then I mean, it was just the greens are absurd.
And then I'm like, OK, well, this is going to be right edge. Hit it firm.
And it it doesn't break but it broke a mile on the way down right so right there that's two strokes I lose because if if I'm hitting it somewhere and it's a four footer usually I'm making a four footer but because of where it was I was kind of dead so that's two strokes right there two dumb strokes on the par three which which even if it was one stroke on the par three, on that first par three, that's three strokes right away. It changes the whole dynamic of just how you're attacking the course.
And then I ended up the next time I played hole nine, that par three, I double it again, put it in the bad spot. And then I will say the other one which i tripled so i had three doubles and a triple usually i don't play and have a double anyways period right well the triple in all fairness guys like i was hanging out eating lunch talking with my i was already it was after my first round didn't't stretch at all.
First swing, kind of a practice swing, cracks my back. I'm like, oh, this could be sketch.
Take the full swing, pull it, put it in the trees. Just kind of dead nation.
And the thing is, I don't want to say I was already plus seven, so it didn't matter because I don't want to be that guy. But it was – I was just – that one, I don't want to say is a wash, but I was hanging out with my boy Nate Ebner.
He was from Columbus, came up to watch me. So I'm like, why don't I hang with my guy? I don't need to get warmed up.
I'd have to shoot a million under to get in anyways. But then I end up playing, and after that I have a stretch of like four birdies and like six or seven holes playing pretty playing playing pretty decent and giving myself other looks um i will say the thing that i looking back i would have been a little bit more aggressive than conservative because this the greens are very hard at that course at springfield i feel like um if I was just a little more aggressive and said, whatever, I'm going to go shoot a low score, probably would have – I played a little bit more conservative than I should have.
Let's put it that way. And I think that made it to where I was a little more defense, like I was playing too much defense, and almost getting me in trouble.
You're trying to do the fairways and greens thing from, from 10 cup as opposed to going for it. Yeah.
Right. Right.
Well, I probably wouldn't quite 10 cup it, but just being a little more aggressive because I hit the ball far enough and I have a good enough short game, not saying I was going to shoot four under, but if I play good and I should be at least around even if you don't if you just don't do a couple dumb things and and unfortunately we like I try not to but at this course like there's just the room for errors a little bit less so if you're a PGA guy your miss is probably not going to be quite as bad as my miss. And if you're playing 36 holes, that's so much golf.

Too much golf.

That's way too much golf.

You know what the qualifier should be?

And it probably is.

If you just complete 36 holes of golf, then you qualify for the U.S. Open.

Because that sucks.

They need to change the rules.

They need to change the rules.

It's not a legitimate thing.

But, yeah, I don't know. I felt it wasn't one of those things and this is what's crazy because i never thought this is how i would have felt even though i didn't shoot like the score that i wanted to i mean i didn't feel out of place yeah that's a big step yeah yeah and and that's the thing is like usually you'd probably fill out a place right i i didn't fill out a place i just i made a couple dumb mistakes and it's like okay maybe next time i'm not next time i won't do that and um and i'll play more aggressive than i than i did in the past because it's like if you want to qualify even though even if it's a hard course you You kind of have to go out and take it regardless because it's a one-day tournament.
I mean, yes, it's 36 holes, but it's not four days. It's a one-day tournament.
If you want to qualify, you still have to go out and take it. And I don't think I had that attitude, honestly, until the second round.
And I was just like, whatever, man. I'm going to just go shoot a score and that's when i started just birding holes like because i was like no i'm i'm not gonna do this anymore i'm not gonna do this like oh i'm only hitting it to right here i'm hitting it no i'm gonna i'm gonna hit the ball hard because when i hit it hard i hit it straighter and i'm gonna try to give myself.
And when I did that, weird. Things work again.
Grip it and rip it. I saw Coach Belichick reached out to you, or at least he said something in the media.
He said that we're all watching Danny. We're pulling for Danny.
That was cool that Bill Belichick still remembers you. Yeah, I mean, I'm a forgettable guy.
I don't know. For him, though, you might be the most memorable guy for him.
I think it's like actually Ebner. He probably remembers Ebner.
He remembers you. Guys that play other sports.
Belichick is interesting. I mean, that is true.
And I will say it is cool because the fact of the matter is I was only there three years. It's not like I was there for like seven years.
But for him to kind of give a shout out i mean still kind of a a cool deal he remembers me enough is funny i had a one other pr guys reach out to me and laugh because then i put something out there about how oh he remembers me let i i love you bill and i said hey bears let bill know because Bill doesn't have Twitter. But his assistant, Bears, is like the freaking – He's the guy.
He's the protector of Twitter, social media of the team, and gets anything over to Bill that says, hey, Woodhead said this on Twitter the other day. Make sure to rip him out in the meeting.
Yeah. Like, hey, Woodhead said he talked about someone's contract.
Make sure you tell him in the meeting that he that is the number one thing we don't do is talking about another player's contract. So like I had to make sure Bears knew about it.
And the best part is everyone in New England knows exactly what I'm talking about when I'm like, hey, Bears. Yeah.
This is let him know because he's like just creeping on social media. Oh, I've heard about him before.
Yeah, he basically like prints up Twitter. He prints Twitter out and then hands it to Bill.
He's like, here's what he gets on his desktop and then prints out the all the tweets of the players and says, Bill, are these OK? It's almost like, I mean, yeah, Bill watches film, right? But I don't think he sleeps a lot. So I think he has tons of files and papers that he has to go over.
And I think half of it is probably a bunch of tweets from players to make sure it's acceptable. What, who is, did Phil Rivers hit you up? Please tell me what Philip didn't.
Oh, no. Oh, no oh no the world know and i i think i might have to text him too i think you tell him to come on part of my take as well um yeah i can't i can get that done and talk about his uh coaching career now yeah but no he he didn't but man i'll tell you what tons of people it was kind of cool kind of weird kind, oh my gosh, this is how my life used to be type stuff.
Like just as far as like notoriety, as far as like, I got some golfers that reach out to me saying congrats, that's sick, whatever, yada, yada, yada. I had former teammates and that's, it's crazy.
And then it's, it's kind of weird because then you're going around and i mean people know who i am in omaha and they still sometimes will say hey how you doing yada yada yada um but after qualifying like it obviously happened significantly more and i was like gosh this is kind of exhausting like you know i said i don't know if it's my wife or someone else I was like, this is kind of exhausting.

I said, I don't know if it was my wife or someone else.

I was like, this is kind of, I guess, what it used to be like.

Because, I mean, you're playing for 10 years. And I was like, I mean, I want to continue doing this,

and I want to continue playing and stuff.

But I was like, this is exhausting.

I'd have to get used to that again.

Yeah.

So I guess the next question is, where do we go from here? I know that there's some very lucrative offers out there from the Live Tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's right. Yeah.
I mean, they could get you a lot of money, Danny. They haven't reached out to me.
They haven't reached out to me. We can make those connections.
Billy is close with the royal family. Yeah.
Oh, that doesn't shock me. what number would you do it for what would you let's just let's just your what's the price for your dignity you know hey the thing that i learned big cat you never play your hand in negotiations just you never set you never you never set the ceiling.

But it is funny to just conceptualize,

and there's a lot of discourse going on right now of like,

what's the number that is enough that you just never have to listen

to anyone else ever again, so it just doesn't matter?

Wrong or right, there is a number.

I haven't thought about it.

Everyone has a number. I mean, PFT, you have a number to play in the live golf tour also i definitely have a number it's as close as you'll ever get to defining the term fuck you money right that's what we're talking about here right so it's basically buying enough having enough money that when everyone says you're a shitty person you can be like i don't care because i'm on it's like well did you yeah did you not see what did you not see my live contract right and it's a horrible thing to say because we all like would like to be good people but everyone i think if you ask if you hit them with true has a number there is a number for the rest and they have to admit that for the rest of your life you can tell anybody scoreboard yeah right you just point and you're like that's.
No, but it's not even. Whatever.
It's the number that you don't even have. Like, those people who are like, hey, you're a bad person, they don't even come in your circle anymore.
Yeah. They can't even get to you.
No, because you have that number. Yeah, you have that number.
There's some valid points, too, about like, you know, if you want to judge whatever corporation you're currently doing business with by the actions of their CEO, like do you take Ubers? Yeah. You know, like there's, I think the Saudi royal family actually is the biggest investor in Uber as well.
So like there's, there's like, but I wouldn't even do that. There's a lot of stuff that you can point fingers at.
It's just like a little bit more explicit here. And now it seems like, I don't know i i would honestly i i'm fine with anybody doing it it would break my heart if max homa did it yeah it would break my heart yeah no there's definitely some people i don't think max will no i don't think he would he won't um he's also he's also half jewish i don't think they would want him so um did he reach factual here did he reach out to you yeah max no oh yes max did yeah that doesn't surprise me you guys seem like you'd become like instant best friends yeah he's i mean he's awesome like awesome awesome dude um i was fortunate enough when we went down to arizona over spring break my kid's spring break uh he had me out and we played him and Joe Scavron.

It's Ricky Fowler's caddy.

And I had a great time.

Just regular dudes.

I mean, it was fun.

It was a great time.

It didn't feel like... I mean, you just feel super normal, right?

Whereas if you're playing with some other guys

that are very famous, it's like, gosh is this going to be like weird or whatever but it's it was even though he's like a top top player in the world he doesn't make you feel like that he just it's like you're a regular dude i can't wait till i can't wait till he wins the masters and then just forgets all of us i know that's the only thing it's gonna happen like big cat pft woodhead yeah oh wait you guys yeah yeah we're like hey congrats on the win i love your green jacket who dis yeah huh yeah against green bubble sorry you're gonna have to yeah green jacket green bubble that's how it goes yeah you're gonna to have to talk to my PR person if you want to set up an interview. Next thing you don't block.
Yeah. My phone number's blocked.
I'll send you an autographed hat. I think Max might be the only one that's immune to it, but I also.
He is getting so good at golf now. And he is like the trajectory.
If you had to bet. If I had to bet right now, I'd put two bets.
Danny Woodhead will be in the U.S. at some point let's go and max homo will be win a major and the thing is he's he's he's having a child my best years were after my kids the bump the bump yep it's a fact we studied it this year in the nfl you score a touchdown whenever you have a kid i mean listen to big cat's voice yeah better yeah it got better yeah it's it's gotten worse.
I don't know if it translates in podcasting. It might be the one profession that's immune to the baby pump.
I think also not having kids makes you worse at podcasting, too. I think just age.
Father time steals everything. It's undefeated.
It is undefeated, right? Hey, Big Cat, has your pickup basketball game gotten better? I can see you getting bored. Dude, I'm training now.
I'm literally just going to the gym, and I got a guy. It's called Swish House, so they have classes, but I basically have hired a guy who just runs me through drills because I want to start playing again.
I stopped during COVID, but I also know that if I just go right back into it, I'll just

tear everything in my entire body.

So it's a slow ramp up.

It's just a little climb.

Yeah, right.

And also the best part is I show up and when I play pickup, I can play two hours of pickup

and I can maybe take five shots because my job, I know my job.

Do your job.

It's to rebound. It's set picks.
It's to get dirty down low, play some defense. I show up when I'm one-on-one, and I get to shoot like 300 threes, which I never would do in a game.
So it's fun. But that's awesome.
It's the climb. I can see the Miley Cyrus climb song in your ear pods.
Yeah. I'm going to be whatever the US Open for basketball is.
For pickup basketball. It is very cool that the US Open does have that facet to it.
Anyone can qualify. Well, the NFL needs to probably get something like that for kickers, right, PFT? Agreed.
To where it's like a bunch of guys try out and the next thing you know you have a guaranteed contract because i mean it'd be tough for for the for the pod because then you'd be playing probably for i don't know the commanders and then it just that complicates what we get our ratings would go down because who wants to have a washington commander on every week yeah like it would actually get who get less interest all he would be able to talk about is like, oh, the commander's lost to the Giants 9-10. Yeah, Ron Rivera would have you shut down.
I think they should add one more wrinkle for the US Open. I love that anyone can realistically get in.
They should have one spot, though, for the everyman golfer, where when you go to the qualifying, you're 36 holes, you shoot, and every beer is a stroke off of your score. So we get like one just guy who's just fat and wasted into the U.S.
Open. And he can drink like that in the U.S.
Open. But a solid golfer.
Yeah, right. He's a solid golfer, but he's also a really good drinker.
He shoots like 77. Right.
But he had 12 beers, so he shoots 65. Yes, exactly.
You want john daly yeah which i agree 100 what what if they did maybe that's what the live tour is doing oh that'd be incredible they're just like all right you shoot your score and then however many beers you have yeah a bong counts as two strokes and these guys are wasted at the end or it's like or if it's an's an IPA, it's minus two. Yeah.
Yeah. You know what I mean? These are good rules.
These are good rules. You know what we should really do? Next thing you know, a guy shoots 59 every week.
Yeah. We should do our version of the live tour where we implement these rules and then we get like exclusively marketed to John Daly to play.
Right. And then be like, hey, John, this is a sport that was invented for you.
And it's funded by North Korea. By Putin himself.
Yeah. Let's check Putin.
We'll figure it out. And then you've got Putin golf.
No, you've got Kim Jong-un golfing. And he's the all-time record holder, right? Because he's winning every tournament.
A lot of money involved in it, though. Yeah.
I have one last question for you, Danny. It's a Roback question.
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Are we going to officially make it that if you make a U.S. Open, PFT cuts his hair? Because it was.
If you win a Super Bowl, PFT cuts his hair. I kind of like this wrinkle that it's still you, and it's just a new challenge.
I love that idea, and I don't know why we wouldn't make it that. Yeah.
It seems like it fits. It's perfect.
Now,'s perfect I got a little carried away when I saw how close you were I said that I would shave every hair off my body You did get carried away Because if I would have had a good day You would have been shaving every hair Which would have been kind of sick It's a little spooky what's happening with this guy But I would love it Maybe that's if he that's if he makes the cut. I think if you make the cut, it's every hair.
If you make the US Open, I'll cut my hair into like regular length. Either way, it would be sick if you did shave every hair on your body.
And we also made you wear reading glasses. Then I could host the Scott Van Pelt show when you went on vacation.
Oh, my gosh. I'll shave my head, too.
We'll just do Bizarro World Scott Van Pelt show Oh my gosh I'll shave my head too We'll just do bizarro world Scott Van Pelt It would be out of control Like You guys are always already like Huge It's cool that you guys still want to talk to me right Stop it You had to get close to the US Open For us to want to call you Yeah that's fair enough Fair enough. But I mean, you guys still want to talk to me right but uh stop it well you're you have to get close to the u.s open for us to want to call you yeah that's fair enough fair enough but i mean you guys would be making if you guys were both bald and had if you guys were hairless with reading glasses i'll tell you what you guys would be live to our status money wise yeah not not not what's backing it i'm just saying money wise it would just so give another thing that billy could like in you know people behind our back like at the bar on the weekend he's like dude they can't even see and they got no hair like their time is up how's old Billy doing not good well right yeah he's fine he's doing fine he's doing he's doing you know perfectly average for Billy he's thriving he's actually been on a roll recently so we've been we've been awarding him emojis based on good behavior.
It's like, you know, I don't know if you have, like, charts that you use for your kids where you give them stickers every time they do it. Yeah, yeah.
It's like a or a like at school, like they do like a color chart. I don't know why red's bad.
Maybe it's because it's like a stop sign. Yeah.
And green's good, and yellow's like, oh, chill out, homie type stuff. But you guys have a color.
It's almost like a color chart, but it's an emoji chart. It's emojis.
We give him emojis as rewards, as treats, when he does something good, because he's trying to go to the tight end university camp that they have over in Nashville, which really just means that Billy wants to go to Nashville and get

drunk. So we

need to incentivize him. He needs to

behave himself if he wants that type of privilege.

You know, if he gets enough emoji

days, maybe you guys will take him out for an

ice cream cone or something like that.

Yeah, exactly. They'll become real

life stickers. Alright, well Danny,

thank you. It's been too long, man.

Hopefully we cross paths at some point

and yeah, do get us Phillip Rivers

We'll be right back. Yeah, exactly.
They'll become real-life stickers. All right, well, Danny, thank you.
It's been too long, man. Hopefully we cross paths at some point.
And, yeah, do get us Philip Rivers, please. All right.
Hey, sounds good, fellas. Thanks for having me.
Good seeing you, Danny. See you.
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All right, we're going to wrap up. We've got Fyre Fest of the week.
Hank, if you have a Fyre Fest, I'm going to be mad. I'm going to be very mad.
All right. I won't then.
No, go ahead. Give it to us.
I know you've got to play. It's more like let the record show.
I got to try and find my original tweet. I would say it was, I don't know, six or seven weeks ago, maybe less.

I bought AirPods, and I said, how long until I lose them?

And I lost them.

I don't know where they are.

I mean, the clock starts on AirPods the second that you buy them.

I lose AirPods like they're going out of business.

Did you see the NBA?

Who was the NBA player who tweeted?

Was it Josh Hart?

Josh Hart was like, man, I always lose these. And he had, you know when you pull up your Bluetooth, it has all the old ones? He, no joke, had like 35 AirPods.
Just scattered across the country? It was like Josh Hart's AirPods 1, Josh Hart's AirPods 2. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I didn't see that. Like Beats 3, like all these things.
Very, very funny. Wow.
All right. So I put up a poll.
April 11th, I purchased airpods this tweet will service bookmark for when i lose them place your bets less than a week four percent one week to three months 48 that was the winner of the poll three months eight months 39 percent eight plus months nine percent so people people got me yeah they got me read like a book i mean airpods favorite one AirPods, there's never been a more clear example of a product that was designed by a company specifically so that people would lose them and then have to buy them again. Without a doubt.
And the fact that you can't, if you lose the case, you can't just replace the case. Yeah.
It's crazy. Yeah.
All right. Sorry for your AirPods.
That's a shitty week. Tough week, dude.
I know. Real your fire things turn around um my fire fest this is actually a pretty funny fire fest so um i've mentioned on the show a couple times i'm going down to the shore this summer uh have a house down there again it's gonna be a great time and uh part of going down there is we're trying to like sponsor some of the things i'm going to be doing for example like grilling out maybe we can get some Omaha steaks there and you get a free stuff we have a plug and yeah yeah and one of our one of our favorite companies in the world Chevy is going to be giving me the Silverado that Billy and I and Bubba drove across the country on our way to the Super Bowl so we're gonna get it wrapped was the idea and wanted to put, I want to turn the Silverado until the silver shark, like put, put like gills on the side and have like fins and teeth and shit going over the grill.
Um, so turns out what I've, I actually don't, I think I know where you're going with this. I actually don't know though.
Yeah. So, um, it.
It's awesome that Barstool and Chevy are going to help me out with this. And so we submitted the design to get it wrapped.
It looks like it's going to be awesome. And then they got back to me earlier this week, and they said, hey, just so you know, I don't know when you need to have this truck down at the shore.
I'm planning on taking it down there at the very, very end of the month um but they're like hey uh we're we're gonna need for it to be wrapped uh for out and about in the barstool gay pride wrap and i need to take the truck down to move my stuff in before they're going to be able to get it wrapped as the shark love it and knowing how I just am reluctant to do anything that requires work, I'm probably just going to end up driving the Gay Pride Barstool Silverado around Jersey Shore all summer long. You should.
You should. Yeah, what are you, a Tampa Bay Rays player? Yeah, dude, come on.
Am I a bigot? Am I a bigot for wanting the shark? Yeah, I think you should. It's going to be a look if that ends up happening.
You got to lean into it. I think I might have to just lean into it.
Yeah. Hot boy summer.
Yeah. You can probably get into some good conversations.
Yeah. You can stop in the truck and everything.
And you know what? It's probably a good way to not have conversation with somebody if somebody would go out of their way or um like hate on that yeah you're weeding out i'm weeding out i'm weeding out the bad hangs yeah yeah so i might just be driving a gay pride truck around for the entire summer which is which is fine like we say love is love probably not going to get that live money now though which is tough um but we But we can evaluate that when the time comes. Yeah.
Yeah. The live money.
Yeah, you might have to be excluded from it. I think it's a good.
I think you got to drive the truck. I love the truck.
It's like wearing the ribbon. Yeah, exactly.
You got to do it. You got to wear the ribbon.
I will. All right.
My Fire Fest is. Also, it just has Joey and Pat's face on the truck, I believe.
Beautiful. Have you seen the designs? I've seen? I have not, no.
That will be very, very funny. Send it over to me because I'd like to see what I could potentially be rolling around in.
Because I could delay and get the truck wrapped in the shark, which looks awesome. I love the shark idea.
You should get the shark rainbow. But there are some things that I want to get down there for right at the beginning that I'm going to need the truck for so it's like what do i want to do do i want to like schedule another time to take the truck all the way back to new jersey get it rewrapped and then pick it up or am i just going to be like you're trying to see yeah because then you're also kind of low-key silencing yeah the gay truck lg t right lg t b q p f t yeah there it is just throw it all in there Especially if you tweet that, people.
L-G-T-B-Q-P-F-T.

Yeah, there it is.

Just throw it all in there.

Especially if you tweet that, someone will be like,

fuck, how many letters are there now?

Yeah.

Plus.

Bullshit.

Yeah.

I just sent it.

I want to see a picture of it.

I sent it to both of you.

Okay.

I'm looking as well.

My Firefest is...

Wait, hold on. I'm looking at it.
Oh, Fest is... Wait, hold on.

I'm looking at it.

Oh, that's a perfect truck.

You have to keep it.

Proud AF.

Out and about.

Proud AF.

Yes.

You're Proud AF on the top?

Dude, you have to keep that.

I'll have to be mad if you don't.

They should put you as the third picture in the thing, just so people know it's your car.

Yeah, I'd be mad if you don't.

You have to keep that.

Yeah, that's awesome. I do want my face on there if it's going to be like pat and joey or maybe i'll put somebody else's face on there the mam shirts that's gonna be great that is gonna be great um all right i my fire fest is obviously uh the' future is dead.
I truly believe that.

So I have a new future that I'm putting in that people are going to be very upset about.

Hank, you might actually be upset about it, but it's going to be fun.

It is – I don't know why.

I'm just feeling it this year.

It's Subway Series.

I'm putting in Subway Series future.

I'd be down for that.

The Mets and the Yankees to meet in the World Series.

I think it's 14 to 1.

If you're a Mets or Yankee fan, sorry.

But when I said it, who was mad?

Oh, Bubba was mad at me because he was like, fuck that.

That would be brutal. But I just want to see it in this office and the chaos that ensues.

So one down or a million down because the Warriors were not the first future

I ever lost.

But we're on to the next one.

I'm already on to the next one.

You've been doing this all show.

I know what you're doing.

I don't.

You guys both are doing it.

I'm not doing anything.

You just decided the series.

It's two to one.

The Celtics are better.

I know.

Hank, we're actually not doing anything.

Yeah, we're actually being honest.

We truly believe this.

You have won the series already.

I'm not.

I don't think the Warriors can do it. I really really don't do you have a parade outfit picked out are you gonna wear the pants no i don't have the pants with me do you need a truck uh we should keep that that truck forever just have it be that truck i almost wish the truck was a little gayer yeah like it's almost like yeah it needs a little bit more a little more flair to disco ball or something what are you gonna say truck nuts truck nuts good point i should put the truck nuts on there yeah that'd be awesome we've talked about it before but obviously we're just talking about how many like championship runs the boston's gone on in new york just doesn't do anything.
Being living here in New York, I would rather the Rangers, having the Rangers, people be excited about the Rangers is fun. If it was a Subway series, it would just be a fun time to be in New York, and I would just root for the Mets.
I'm thinking of it just purely from an entertainment. Like Frank the Tank beating the Yankees would be the greatest story of all time.
Or Frank, yeah, it'd be great. Just the buzz of the office every day would be incredible.
And the Cubs suck. So it's like I'm not even rooting for either team, so to speak.
I'm just rooting for them to meet in the World Series and see what happens. I would not mind seeing the Mets in the World Series.
I feel like even though they're technically a rival of the Nationals, when you have a shitty baseball team, you kind of just throw everything out the window. Yeah, they are cursed.
It's a free roll, though, this year, where it's like, for me, the Cubs suck. So what would be the most entertaining World Series? I think seeing Frank the Tank in the World Series and trying to figure out how he can be pessimistic about his team if they're winning the World Series, that's going to be worth the price of admission yeah uh all right bill you're a fire fest this one's pretty infuriating um so i was playing basketball tuesday night with soli shout out for soli we were there for like two and a half hours just two of you or uh no no we were playing full court with a bunch of dudes outside outside it was like one of the first times i played pickup since the pandemic it was sick to get back into it so we were like playing hard we were gas like i was totally beat up after it um what's your what's your game like billy how would you compare your game to a modern nba player um i mean my like it was my first time shooting a lot so i was just more inside just getting bored Draymond Green with less offense.
Robert Williams without being 6'10". Yeah, without dumping.
No, but I hit some clutch shots, but my shot just wasn't really landing that day. So anyway, so I'm coming back.
So I ordered Chipotle on my way back. So hopefully when I get home, it's there.
So I order it. I'm walking back.
Then as soon as I order it through DoorDash, it goes delivered already. I'm like, what? So anyway, I'm like, that's weird.
Like did it not go through? So I check, I paid for it. I get home, I'm waiting.
It's definitely not coming. So I get on the phone with DoorDash.
They give me the runaround for like 30 minutes. It's getting late.
It's like 930, 945. And so basically they took my money.
I have no food. And I don't keep food in my fridge because I've been traveling recently.
So it's getting late. Everything's closing.
So basically I'm hungry as fuck. I didn't get my food and they took my money and i'm pissed did you go to bed without that is without dinner no i had to i went to the deli that was oh i basically ate an ice cream dinner because that was the only option i noticed that you're a little bit swollen now chipotle fix this chipotle i'm pissed i'm a lot i'm guac mode verified and you took my double protein rewards points fix it i want him to have a free gift card i monday i want i want the black card for billy i want my points back i want my money

back because i have tons of chipotle points i'm a loyal customer and i think doordash stole my

burrito i don't know what happened but i called they gave me the runaround there's they kept

asking me for my order number which doesn't exist anywhere on my order confirmations i'm pissed

I'm going to be honest. what happened but i called they gave me the runaround there's they kept asking me for my order number which doesn't exist anywhere on my order confirmations i'm pissed i'm a loyal wait so did sounds like you might not have ordered no you took my money i took my money it's like my chase card shows that i was charged for my burrito so i'm pissed now you're broke nothing worse than getting the runaround yeah yeah and no burrito justice for billy all right jake finish this off yeah so we were in albany last week and we were told to go to this like classic sandwich place and we were in the parking lot of the sandwich place and billy's like there's no seats i want to sit i'm tired from getting my butt kicked by memes across field and billy's like let's's like, let's just go to TGI Fridays.
I'm like, we are not going to TGI Fridays. Dugues and memes just stayed silent.
And Billy's like, turn the car around. We're going to Fridays.
We go to Fridays, and it ends how you would expect it. So, Jake, why? Oh, your diarrhea, guys? Yeah, not diarrhea, but Jake, why did you not want to go to TGI Fridays? It was Friday.
It was Friday.

So you have to go to TGI Fridays.

When in Rome.

Memes and Dukes were like, yo, TGI Fridays, and they were all down.

They didn't say a word.

Memes, how down were you and how down was Dukes?

Memes doesn't have a mic right now.

They were down.

They were down. So anyway.
Thumbs up or thumbs down? We were in the. No, everyone was down.
Memes will back this up. We were down to sit, but we were at the sandwich spot.
The sandwich spot was a deli and like it probably wouldn't be a great place, but we'd been out in the sun for like five hours. It was 90 degrees.
I wanted to sit in a booth. He's diva Billy.
No, no. I wanted to sit in a booth and just get unlimited water refills because we were all dehydrated.
Everyone else was the same vibe, so everyone was vibing for TGI Fridays. When we got to TGI Fridays- It was Friday.
I will say that. He said that.
There was all the deals. Jake started.
Oh, there were all the deals. Jake started.
What kind of deal? Was that $5 Long Island iced tea night by any chance? No, we weren't drinking. We were driving.
So we were walking in. That's a lie.
You can always tell when there's a bigger lie when Billy puts a small lie out there. Well, we couldn't.
It was like lunch. Russian nesting dolls of lies.
everybody was driving at the time so no one could drink.

Yeah.

All right.

That's not true.

So what really happened?

As a collective, we're driving.

Anyway, so we, like, Duges was driving. If it wasn't the group consensus, the driver wouldn't have drove us to TGI Fridays.

The vibes were high.

And then when Jake got in there, Jake got in there, Jake was just, like, getting angry

at the other customers for just existing. Jake was just, oh, this place.
Oh, this is disgusting. I was like, Jake's looking at Yelp reviews and being like, oh, it's just reheated everything.
It's disgusting food. So I talked to one of the guys coming out of the store.
I'm like, yo, did you have a good meal there? And he goes, yeah, it was great. I was like, okay, like, fuck yelp.
This guy says it was good, so we go in, and we had a great time. We got wings, we got, like, really good sodas.
And it was Friday. Oh, really good sodas, nice.
Unlimited refills. It was a good Friday.
It was just, like, at that point in time, it was great. At that point, yeah.
The sauce had a dirty table, made us get up, because they said, oh, it wasn't a dirty table. They just had to clean it.
Can I butt in real quick? Jake, it sounds like you're being a little bit elitist towards TGI Friday. Exactly.
It's not my spot. I'll just say that.
I do think that if you were going to a really well-known deli, you should do that. If you're in a different city, you should try a different...
I agree with that. If Billy's whole thing was,

I want to go someplace

where I can sit down,

first of all,

that's code for Billy

being like,

I want to go up to a place

that has cocktails and beer.

Right.

Just be honest, Billy.

You didn't want to go

to the great deli

because they didn't serve beer.

I think it's actually

the rare case

where both of you,

it was like Billy's diva

was passed to Jake's diva.

So you both are divas.

It's transitive diva property.

So does that come back to you guys as the parents?

No, we weren't involved with them that day.

No.

Only so much you can do.

They were at summer camp.

Ted Bundy had a mom.

It's not her fault.

There was some low-key heat stroke vibes coming out.

What does that mean?

That means I always band on that.

You guys are basically in the desert. No.
It sounds like... I mean, low-key heat stroke vibes.
We had no water. Scientifically.
We had to play lacrosse. Albany is hot this time of year.
They didn't have water at the lacrosse practice. They didn't have...
Of the major league lacrosse. No, they had a cooler in the field.
You realize you could have just said it was hot out. That's a huge story if true.
I mean, that Premier Lacrosse League is not providing water to their players. No, no, because we got moved off the main field because they had to paint some lines so we were on this side field that had no waters and like, it was so hot.
Like, memes, I need some backup here. Thank you for your service, Billy.
Yeah, thank you. We were scale of 1 to 10, how hungover were you? I wasn't.
You lost his voice. You can see that on PMTV.
I wasn't hungover. I was, dude, this is, anyway.
Okay. I just need, I wanted to sit down and get, like, cold ice water just refilled so I could chug it.
It was, that was the vibe. They didn't have bottles of water at the deli?

No,

but they did.

Dude,

how terrible. They had tables and chairs.

No,

how famous of a deli.

Oh,

wait,

you could have sat?

That's not true.

Oh,

he just wanted to.

That's the next day.

I got it.

You guys are fully,

yeah,

Billy,

you were being a diva,

so was Jake,

but demanding a booth,

specifically a booth.

But just like,

imagine being so,

so hot and just

endless ice water

and sitting in a booth, specifically a booth. But just imagine being so, so hot in just endless ice water and sitting in a booth after getting your ass beat with a giant metal stick by memes.
That's a sentence. I'm still most.
Love is love again. You have the guy part of my quote? That would be a good one.
Yes, that would be great. Good job.
Numbers. 18.
69 on June 9th, which today is currently. Just to keep Hank humble, he still has not gotten it.
26. I'm going to go 27.
Did 26 get taken? No, 26, 27, 29. Alright, 26.
3 for memes. Evan? If there is a God, 69.
What did you say, Hank? 18. Six for Bubba.
69. 69 on 69 day.
What do we got? Oh, is it going to go up? Yep. Oh.
56. 56.

I feel like that's twice in a couple weeks.

Yeah.

Second time.

When was the other time?

The debut.

August 27th, 2020.

Oh, that was the first fall ever?

First in a couple weeks. Well, we did like 10 that day.

Okay.

Yeah.

Love you guys.

Orangutans regularly take hostages for food.

Ha ha ha. hostages for food.
I'll be coming for you.

I'll be coming for you.

Take on me.

Take me.

Take me.

Take me.

I'll be coming.

Take on me.

Something needless to say. I'm upset.
to be safe. It's not.
Take on me.

Take on me.

Take on me.

I'll be up to you.

Take on me.

Things that you say isn't life or Just a point of a reason You are the things I've got to remember You shine away I'll be coming for you When you like I'll be coming for you When you like that. Take on me.
Take on me. Take me.
Take on me. I'll take on me.
Take on me. Take on me.
Take me. Take me.
Take on me.