Tracy McGrady, Warriors Back In The Finals, The Heat Are Dead And Fyre Fest Of The Week

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And the Warriors, the alternates start to the show is the Warriors are back in the finals. A stat that makes perfect sense.
But when you look at it, it's like, what the hell is going on? The Warriors under Steve Kerr are 18-0 in series in the Western Conference. 18-0 in in the Western Conference you see it and you're like how is that possible and you're like oh yeah they didn't make the playoffs when everyone was injured and they made the finals every single year incredible and we've talked about it you know throughout these playoffs that this feels like the crowning achievement for this group to be able to go back there after all the injuries, after Katie came and left after, you know, guys are in and out and they've rebuilt themselves with that core of clay, Steph and Draymond and Steve Kerr there and back in the finals.
We don't make excuses for injuries, but I'm willing to make a giant excuse for the warriors for the two out of the eight years that they did not make the finals. It's all because of injuries.
Like should have been in the finals eight years in a row and actually like relatively speaking six out of eight years being healthy as a team is pretty good but right it's like it's like but it's actually like better for us though because like now I'm I'm I'm watching myself you know another blowout tonight the Mavs we can talk about the Mavs in a second, but it's almost better because I'm watching the Warriors

and I'm having so much fun.

It feels like it's like time traveling back to the 2015 Warriors

when they came on the scene and they were a breath of fresh air.

And it was like, holy shit, this team is so much fun to watch.

They had some of that going tonight where Clay was like on fire.

Everyone was hitting their shots.

It feels like that, where the injuries let us root for them now. you know what's so true is if you love something set it free if it was meant to be it'll come back it's true it's so true facts facts and seeing clay i think like clay is the is that extra piece because he struggled you know he obviously coming back from double injury he's had times where it's like, this guy is just never going to be close to the same.
But tonight it was he had that shot going. It's like he's going to hit everything.
And they are so deadly. And even though it was a blowout, when the Warriors get like that, it's fun to watch.
And Andrew Wiggins, I mean, he's just incredible now, like all the time. It's crazy we do we need to start respecting steph curry more on defense respect his hustle at least yes maybe maybe not his like shot blocking ability but he figured out the secret to the good to like playing good defense for a person his size he's like remember rip hamilton when he used to just run all the time on offense and be like that's the secret to my game is i'm just gonna run and eventually the guy that's guarding me is gonna get tired steph curry just runs a shitload on defense he's just like sprinting all over the place if you just run enough you'll be open on offense and you'll stop perimeter players on defense yeah you know he he always tries hard on defense and i know that sounds crazy just to say like of course they're professionals are playing in the western conference finals they should try hard but there are some guys who don't try hard all the time

like you could even point to the mavs comeback partly like luca being like hey i'm gonna start

locking in a little bit on defense like the whole team's gonna start playing defense i do want to

give the mavs credit they could have easily quit like that and i know it sounds crazy to say that

in the third quarter a team could quit but if you don't think a team can quit in the third quarter

you haven't been watching these NBA playoffs.

Like the whole time I was just thinking like,

Thank you. And I know it sounds crazy to say that in the third quarter, a team could quit.
But if you don't think a team can quit in the third quarter, you haven't been watching these NBA playoffs. Like the whole time I was just thinking like, what would James Harden do in this situation? He would start, he'd do the running clock and make sure that every, like he was not shooting and just passing every single ball.
The Mavs had that little run where it's like, hey, we're going to go out with like a few punches here and try to make this a game. They fell short, but they deserve credit for that.
James Hard would not have left Dallas. He would be currently passed out belly up in the breakfast room at Jaguars, just like sweating maple syrup and pancakes and still have a stack of hundreds that's currently being used to get him continuous lap dances until he wakes up.
Yeah. Yeah.
And and i again like we should it might be a statement more on these playoffs and all the blowouts but i'm willing to give the avs credit for not giving up in a situation where they could have easily packed it in and been like we're done we're out like we're down you know 20 the warriors are hitting everything pack the bags let's go home also i i feel like this was uh we get like one solid awesome unbelievable Klay Thompson game per series and this is it this is the one where like oh you can tell he probably hit the like took an edible at like after the third quarter was over just so because he knew he was in the zone he's like after the game's over during the trophy presentation I'm going to be having my god moment and I'm going to be I'm going to be on the fucking moon he looks so high after the game and that is his right as a clay thompson absolutely and the i mean the warriors i who knows i mean i i obviously think they're going to be playing the celtics we're going to get to celtics heat in a minute um but they're they're they look really hard to beat and i don't know if like that's a maybe the teams in the west you know they avoided playing the sons who was the best team all season but i don't they're just they're they're like back maybe not all the way back because all the way back is crazy to say because that's how good they were especially with kd but they're as close to as back as they could be in this situation given their age and all the injuries and like the roster changeover i feel like if they rebound they can't be beat and loki the warriors are pretty good rebounding team like they're not they're not the soft warriors that people used to hate on you know a few years ago they're i think they were like top five or top six in the nba and rebounds this year and when you've got kevon looney when he plays like significant minutes it's funny to go back because I checked his stat sheet tonight and I looked for like the last 20, 30 games that he's played in. And it goes like 20, 15, 15, 15, 16, 11, like all these double digit numbers and then drops down to like three, four.
And it's all because like, he's on the court more. I feel like in the finals, at least if it's against the Celtics, he's going to get a lot of minutes.
And if they rebound the ball, especially like on offense, when they have those, they have those possessions where you work hard on defense and they miss, they miss like a layup, they get an offensive rebound, kick it out, miss a three pointer, kick it out again. They're going to make the third one.
It's demoralizing. Yeah.
To when you, when that happens to a team, it feels, it feels like extra points. And I guess you could, you know, there's probably some statistic, some statistic out there of like made threes off offensive rebounds are extra points, but it feels that type of deflation happens when the warriors get those rebounds.
And like you said, you just know there's just, they're just, it's almost, I think it's, yeah, it's statistically true. They will not miss three in a row.
Yeah. And so it's like almost impossible based on I'm a numbers guy.
If you shoot 33% from three points, you're going to make one out of three every single time. That's how take a math class and learn, learn how to do probability.
Also, they've got AI coming back. Iggy.
Yeah. Possibly come back from the final AI.
Yeah. I hope how awesome would it be if he got another finals MVP? I mean, it did Steph Jake did Steph officially win the MVP of the Western Conference? Cause I, I mean, he had to have, I I'm sure they tried to give it to Andrew Wiggins.
We touched on that on Wednesday that everyone always tries to just for some reason be like, you know, who deserves it? some other guy not named steph curry even though

it's clear steph curry is the guy who does like yeah he wanted okay good all right so they're coming around to the fact that steph curry even if he doesn't have the most points in a given night is by far the most important player on the warriors i also i feel like the warriors are the equivalent of the chiefs where it's they're the perfect team to go basic on to be like steph Curry cheat code. Yeah.

Draymond Green genius.

Clay Thompson walking, walking

fire. where they're the perfect team to go basic on, to be like Steph Curry, cheat code.
Yeah. Draymond Green, genius.
Clyde Thompson, walking fireman emoji. I'm pretty pumped to see Charles Barkley versus the city of San Francisco for another couple weeks.
That's a nice storyline that's developing. Wait, but he's out.
He's done. We say goodnight.
Yeah, we say goodbye to him. This is a sad part of the season.
Oh, all right. That's awesome.
awesome yeah green he's made some very powerful enemies out west too so i'm sure he'll turn full heel it is always sad when when uh when when chuck and kenny and the guys have to say goodbye for like the the rest of the season like it's over it's always a little bittersweet so yeah that that ends tonight um let's talk a little hockey oh Billy, do you have a game ball in this game or a hockey game? The third, baseball game. Baseball game.
Okay. All right.
So, you want to give your game ball? Yes. Aaron Judge, he had three at-bats, one run, one hit, two RBIs, and the Yankees cleaned up today.
How thirsty is Whitey?

We just got out of the car, and he is chugging water.

I want to give Whitey the game ball.

He's drinking the ocean right now.

Yeah, dude, he's going nuts.

I bet you he chugs faster than you do.

Absolutely.

Actually, it's kind of sad.

He's got one of those mouths where he can't really drink properly,

so he just drinks for a super long time. Yeah, one of those.
Yeah, Leroy actually used to just drink until he threw up, and then that would be his body telling him he's had enough water. Stella does that, too, where she just drinks and then coughs, and it's like a little bit of throw up.
It's like, yep, you're good. You're done.
You're done. Dogs.
Love you, bro. Mem you feel good feeling good so you're i mean the rangers are definitely going to win game six yeah for sure right so then you gotta go game seven but it's it's got to feel good that the the canes are just like they will just not lose at home they're the greatest team ever at all it's crazy it just doesn't make sense do they will they have home ice in the in the eastern conference final i don't think so i yeah i gotta check that too i don't i don't think they will either yeah i don't think so but that would be 116 points tampa 110 oh so they do so put them in the put them in the final that's that's it that's how they do it i don't know if there's like aren't there like two brackets i i mean i think that's it i think they're in the final i think just book their trip right now right yeah they're just an absolute wagon at all all right well it makes sense i'm happy for you means um the last thing should we i mean we should probably address the fact that i might be dying um i don't know what happened with that picture i've i'm pretty used to just getting like roasted online for looking bad fat ugly whatever you want to call it but that picture where i'm like my eyes are black and crossed yeah um welcome my world i think i'm Now you're getting eye roasted.
You should start wearing sunglasses all the time. I'll grow out a mustache.
I'll salt and pepper my hair. I'll put on like 60 pounds and then we'll just switch roles.
It was one of those things where it's just like, I, like I said, I'm pretty used to like getting roasted on a daily basis, but to have like my eyes now not work. It, it, it really like threw me for a loop like i and jake was nice enough to be like look here's the real picture your eyes don't look like that but i just went straight to the mirror and i was like am i am i dead am i dying what's going on right now i don't know what happened yeah no you looked like a like a zombie you look like somebody in a horror movie that got inflicted with inflicted with the bad contagion or the Crossroads music video.
That was the other thing. And listen, eyes and flash photography, sometimes they don't get along well together.
I just, you know, I think you have perfectly normal, perfectly healthy eyes. Thank you.
I got to update. I have Hank has a catalog that I've had him keep for like the last decade of just terrible pictures of me and he'll i've made him do like a dick's pics which is for grateful dead but for hank's pics where it's just my worst pictures this definitely is is up there now with all the fat pictures and all the bad angle pictures because i i true i still don't understand how that happened it looks like somebody edited your picture like they do with the avatars when somebody buys like a really shitty crypto coin.

Yes. Yes.
I'm doing, I'm, I'm, I'm standing up for ask. Yeah.
You're on come rocket right now. It looked like, yeah, it looked like big cat just lost all his apes.

People were the roast off was very funny. Then one person was just like, dude, you i was like yeah those are me those are always mean but but pft like they're mean but in moments like this i can't i can't protest that i can't be like hey no dude actually like you're looking at a mutant and and i guess the only spin zone i have is that my eyes did a good job of getting everyone to not look at my breasts, which both my nipples were rock hard.
So maybe that's a, maybe that's a plus. I think that's, there's a little bit of that going around.
I was noticing that I was wearing a white t-shirt the other day and like just rock hard nipple season for some reason around the office. I think it's colder in the office now.
The worst is when people like work their way down on my body and like triggs who does our artwork who i love and i consider a friend he was like the worst part is you're trying to do the skinny girl like sorority arm i'm like dude i have to i have to if i don't do that it's it's like everything falls apart it's always weird when they find a new body part to go after like i can deal with if you make fun of my eyes if you make fun of my height if you make fun of my shitty beard i can deal with that but then somebody will be like yo your knees are bony as fuck i'm like what the hell man my knees are great i love my like we can't do that now you've got ugly ankles i've got enough stuff that's wrong with me i don't need you to start p i don't need you to dissect my thigh gap. I mean, it's true.
That does happen where they just find. Yeah, dude.
Whoa. Look at your toes.
That's so gross. Dude.
You should see a doctor about your thumb. Oh yeah.
Bite your nails much. I get that a lot with my, whenever I have my thumb, they're like, look at that.
Look at your cuticles. Like what does that even mean? What is a cuticle? You ever get caught in between blinks? It happened to me a couple weeks ago.
I got caught in the act of blinking and I fucking looked like Spicoli. I looked high as shit.
I was a lot of things at the time, but I was not stoned. But like looking at the picture, you would never, ever in a million years believe that I wasn't high.
It's I mean, it's it's all very funny. And it's like I just has been doing it for a very long time so when i saw this one today i was like well that's something new like that's something i've never seen before i my eyes are i have the black plague in my eyeballs so um can billy and i do a quick top gun review sure because we went to go see no spoilers no spoilers spoiler free and thank you i was actually like i stayed offline for a good portion of the day and hank was like yeah i want to go see the movie with you and i thought i thought that hank was going to do the meanest thing ever and figure out what happened in the movie and then spoil it for me at the last second to get back for the years of soprano spoilers that we put on him he did not hank was great he was a good guest um i give it no spoilers i am going to try to see it oh yeah this weekend and it just came out i'll put it this way here's my review i'm going to go see it again tomorrow night i already bought here we go so i'm going two nights in a row too beautiful review there's a lot of planes if you like planes this is a perfect movie to go see um it's basically tom cruise becomes the instructor so he's like the the instructor and the big problem is all the new recruits are pussies and he's like he's like i gotta figure out how to make them go faster and it's awesome storyline works it delivers it delivers billy what were your thoughts on the movie uh if you're driving to and from the theater really watch your speed leaving the theater because it is absolutely electric and you're going to have a need a boner for speed leaving the place.
And it's dangerous. And they should feel a warning.
Yeah. Even even walking out of the theater, I was like looking over my shoulders and I was like banking left when I was making a left hand turn.
Oh, I love movies like that. It's like the true member of the Truman Show when you saw it back in the day and you started looking for cameras everywhere.
Yeah. Or you remember Mad Max.
Yeah. After Mad Max, I drove home and I thought that every car around me had spikes and missiles and catapults on it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Those are, those are the best. Or like when the Sopranos was going and you just like found yourself like being like, yeah, I'm just going to, I'm going to like, I, I get in like a fight over a parking spot and i have an urge to just bash this guy's brain in for me when i was watching sopranos it was like oh i really want some ziti that's got the crumbled up ground sausage and the basil in it because that's the last ziti that was made for bakala by his wife before she died and then janice moved in and then she forced him to eat that last cd before he was really ready

either that or or i hope i hope my i hope uh no one shows up to work early and sees me sucking

my boy's dick because then i'd have to move to new hampshire and ride motorcycles and eat for an

entire season that was great also they play a game called dogfight football on the beach which

you want to talk about a game made for Michael Vick.

Yes, there it is.

It's going to make you irrationally angry at the first part

before they explain the game,

but you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

Okay.

All right.

No spoilers, but I'm going to give it five and a half balls.

Love it.

That's more balls than can fit.

Okay. We have no show Monday,ay memorial day everyone enjoy the long weekend and then we'll be back tuesday with stavi baby uh incredible interview everyone's gonna love it and then we'll have another show friday which will be after game one of the finals so uh let's kick it back to ourselves in studio heat and celtics talk and then getting to tracy mcgrady there's making a sandwich and then there's crafting a sandwich and when i want something perfectly crafted i go straight to boar's head for over a century boar's head has been dedicated to crafting premium deli favorites every ingredient is carefully chosen every recipe made with a purpose their oven, smoked master ham, and ever roast chicken are made from premium whole cuts, hand trimmed, and perfectly seasoned.
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Heat Celtics. That game stunk.
That game stunk. It had two good quarters.
Two good quarters. They weren't good.
They just were close. We had two close quarters.
I think what we learned last night is just because the games are close at times doesn't mean that they're good.

So maybe some of the blowouts are actually good games.

Yeah, it was actually the worst of both worlds because we had a close game.

So we were told like, oh, it's finally a close game, but it was bad basketball. And then it became a blowout.

So it was just there was nothing to watch the second half.

We do have a theory, though.

It made me appreciate the old blowouts, the ones where at least people were making shots.yle lowry by the way i he's he's a he's not good he's a big boy he's not good he's gotten thick i think i saw a stat that they've their backcourt has like one made field goal in the last two games which is like insane like they're starting back okay so not dunking because dunking's had yeah dunking's been playing okay yeah yeah um but. But the stat was seven full quarters.
Heat's starting backcourt has made one field goal. That's not good.
That's pretty bad. Not ideal.
But I have a theory, and I'd like Jake you to weigh in on this. The reason why the Heat lost on Wednesday night.
This will surprise you. Someone tweeted this at us.
It comes from an online message board, and it says, FTX Arena concessions lost us the game. Seems absurd at a glance, but hear me out.
Heat win the opening tip. Fans are actually on time and packed in, part thanks to the game starting perhaps 30 minutes late.
Still absolutely anemic on offense, but Heat are controlling the flow of the game and getting the better of the Celtics through the first half so halftime happens and then we come back the arena is empty the fans are all in the building as we saw from the first half but most are stuck still waiting in line for food and watching the game from the monitors unlike pretty much every other arena in these playoffs so the Celtics get opening possession and with an with an empty arena, it's basically shoot-around for them, finally finding their shots falling. By the time the crowd was back from the concessions, the momentum had turned completely on its head, and the Celtics were rolling, and the Heat lifeless.
So we're saying it was the long lines of the concession stands. That was the only reason.
Thoughts? No, the Celtics were better, and the Heat stunk. That's why they lost.
But were the Celtics better because all the Heat fans were waiting for hot dogs? Yeah. And it was open gym for the Celtics.
That could play a factor. I don't like the people who are screen grabbing.
It's a 13-point game with like a minute 20 left and like, oh, leaving early. Literally any fan would leave early.
No, not me. It's not like they have a history of doing that in the finals.
No, I know. So it's an easy target.
Bad sports time. But if you're down 13 with a minute 20 left, there are going to be a lot of people leave.
And it was also not really like 13 because right. And that game was like 30.
Yeah. Basically just hit a few shots and garbage.
It was reverse in Boston. Celtics fans would do the same.
Probably. Yeah.
I'd see. I'd say pretty much every fan base would do the same.
I don't understand that as over as over could be. I don't.
I've never seen a team, they missed 38 three-pointers, and they were not missing just like, oh, their shots are about to fall. They were missing air balls.
They were missing like just everything front of the rim. Three-pointers that hit the backboard and not even the rim.
Disgusting. And the Celtics deserve credit for their defense in the fact that Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum decided at halftime like, oh, we're actually good.
Let's stop playing like ass. And now you have a strength.
I mean, it was Jalen Brown was like, oh, yeah, I remember how to dribble. Let me try to dribble and shoot at the same time.
Also, Jason Tatum got hurt in the first half and then all of a sudden his shoulder got better as the game went on. So there were a lot of people saying I saw our guy pro football talk or pro football doc, excuse me, on Twitter said that he thought it was a back injury because a stinger isn't something that reoccurs.
But then his shoulder healed. I think the Celtics just love getting injured and then coming back later on in the game.
Except this time he didn't have to go all the way to the locker room and come back to get a bump from the crowd because it was an away game. So it was just like halftime.
He got the bump from his own team when he came back at halftime I think he's healthy now he looked good in the second half every other night thing yeah so Hank what you're now 100% the Celtics are winning the championship yes okay correct okay you were um quite you were quite something to deal with during the game you guys were up like 20 and you were like it's we're still gonna lose we're still gonna lose I hadn't seen that side of you in a while I was usually confident and you were not on on Wednesday night I was very stressed I mean that was a you know pivotal game I think if the whoever won that game is going to win the series Celtics are the better team so if I've said it you know a few times throughout the series but if if they lost the series it would be as devastating as it comes that's still still true. If somehow it goes to seven, I'll be just as much shitting my pants.
Jake this manned me. He just manned me, yeah.
Any comment on this man game? I've never seen him be so negative. It was crazy.
I agree. You know how it is.
For whatever reason, I had a big bet. We got some false sources on...
For whatever reason is that we all thought that the Heat were going to have everyone out because of COVID on Wednesday. I got it through some gambling friends.
You got it through like a producer tweeted something. Yeah, Felger and Mass producer tweeted like a vague emoji that made it seem like two Heat players have COVID and they're not traveling to Miami.
And then you said it. Right, it was a double sourcing.
And then I was like, boom, we're going nuclear to the house. And then I just realized that the next day I woke up on Thursday or Wednesday.
The days have been fucking me up because we did the stream on Wednesday. We were all in the studio.
It was a recording day, but it was actually Wednesday. Firefest.
But I woke up on Wednesday shitting my pants. I don't know what I was thinking because I have to do this live stream i'm gonna be shitting my pants and it's just a stressful stressful stressful situation yeah you don't want it you don't want to you don't want to like get confident it was the double source it was backfire we both we both heard from different sources and then came to the same conclusion and then it was like oh this is going to be easy they're going to announce everyone on the heat out Well, when I saw it and I processed it but didn't really make any action.
And then you said it from a separate source. And I was like, that's confirmation right there.
Boom. But you guys were right, but for the wrong reasons.
Yeah, it was fucking a staffer. It was a broadcaster and a trainer.
Well, they might as well have had COVID the way they shot. Like that kind of turned out to be true.
They might have long COVID. Yeah.
I mean, Kyle Lowry, I think that he'd probably want him to have COVID so he doesn't play anymore. Maybe lose some weight.
Yeah, I mean, it was that bad of a performance. That was mean.
I like Kyle Lowry, but I do think that the lack of playing time for him recently, I mean, it's natural. He's always been a big guy.
Yeah, you're going to get a little chubby sometimes. Yeah, he's always been a little bit bigger.
And they missed Tyler Hero, although Tyler Hero getting some fits off. Yeah.
Getting some absolute fits off. Big time.
Last night he looked like Machine Gun Kelly mixed with Vanilla Ice, which is quite a combination. And he also has an entourage now.
Yeah. Tyler Hero just rolls up into games with guys that are like copies of copies of Tyler Hero that just kind of follow him around only to make the original Tyler Hero look better.
This is what we were robbed of, though, because Tyler Hero almost went to Wisconsin. It would have been hilarious if that was a Wisconsin Badger looking like that.
He would have been disowned. He would have been excommunicated from the state of Wisconsin and Minnesota for reciprocity.
Also, Jenna Sampson's courtside with her fiance. and she looked great she did look great and our good friend brooks you know you can't say it like that because then people are going to be like you guys got beef oh yeah yeah like hey you say anything any any word that we say gets taken into like oh fuck they hate this guy well i was i was mostly making we do think kyle larry's fat yes true but like disrespect.
Right. Fat in a way, okay, I get it.
That's relatable fat. Fat in a way, if you're out to dinner with him, you're going to do apps and a soup? That kind of fat.
Or maybe just one fried app and then get the grilled calamari. Yeah, like we don't, no, we don't need dessert.

We're good.

I tell you what, this was a great meal.

I don't know if we're going to go with dessert.

Maybe don't get the milkshake and the chocolate cake at the end.

Fat like, you know, maybe we don't do family style because you'll eat all of it.

Yeah. And this is speaking from, you know, obviously my own life.

And when I see people being like, I don't know about family style.

Like you're just going to eat all of it. We can do the hungry man,, but maybe not the Hungry Man XXL.
You don't need the third Tinder. Right.
That's what we're getting at. Right.
That kind of fact. No disrespect to Cal Lowry.
None. So Hank's going to be courtside, right? Wood? On the wood? On the wood? I don't know.
I saw Dave was going. He hasn't sent me a text.
If I'm not on the wood, I will use game time, the best place for last-minute tickets. So I'm waiting because I know last- i know last minute tickets i can get them through game time but you're trying to get wood i'm just not going to say anything and just pray but i have a feeling that since the text hasn't come yet it's a no i'm going to say it's a no i'm going to say that you got you got your wood out of the way that's fine great wood yeah best wood of my life yeah it's that's not really a high bar yeah that's like my i don't.
Tell me about the wood I've received. Ten years ago, my boss at the time...
But it's like a good luck charm. That's what I was maybe like in my head.
No, no, that's not how it works. I was going to say, so when I...
You gotta bring me along. We won last night.
My boss had sick Bulls tickets, and he seasoned tickets, and every year it would be like,

all right, passing out the tickets, and I would just get the Kings game.

And I'd be like, all right, that's cool.

That's my game.

Yeah, that's fine.

That was your game, which is a playoff game,

but you're not getting another one.

Yeah, maybe.

Nah, I think it's not.

Finals?

I think they have to put you on the Jumbotron.

You're 1-0.

Yeah.

We'll see, yeah.

We'll see.

Maybe I'll be in the wood. What if you promise right now to do a hard double fist pump if you get on the Jumbotron? I can't promise anything that was pure emotion.
It was a perfectly normal celebration. Yeah.
He'll do it again. So are you butterknifing in? There should be a butterknife option on the GameTime app.
They renovated the stadium. The butterknife is gone.
The butterknife days are over. Really? Rest in peace.
Why don't you just try it? People have been saying Hank's lost his fastball. He's corporate now.
He's a sellout. We all hate him.
Like that stuff. People have been saying that stuff? You've been saying that.
Why don't you prove that you still got your fastball and butter knife your way in? I'm down to butter knife in. I'll never forget when I was an intern and you and Dave were trying to go to the Blackhawks game.
And I was dead serious. I was like, oh, I can get you guys in the butter knife.

Dave was like, what?

What do you mean?

Are you fucking crazy?

Well, the good thing is since you're flying private, you can bring your own butter knife

on the plane.

You don't have to check that at TSA.

That's true.

True.

Yeah.

In the corporate jet.

Jake, where are you at?

He's got a chopper.

He's got a chopper.

Seaplane.

The Heat are not looking good.

Yesterday was very bad.

I think they're banged up. It's not an excuse.
The Celtics have been better the last two games. What's a culture update? Bad.
This is a test of the culture. Everyone's saying the series is over.
Someone said that Heat culture was just them being lucky LeBron likes South Beach. Oh.
I'm not saying that. Okay.
Wow. Guess what? They got two titles out of it, so who cares what they think cares what they think you shouldn't say that not one not two i had one person who got very mad at me that i implied that other teams might check body fat not just the heat they're like what do you think jermaine o'neal said that for that's heat culture pat riley like revolutionized basketball five percent body fat or less like i'm pretty sure every team's.
Also, 5% body fat sounds like that's not enough body fat for a healthy man. Yeah.
What if he gets stuck outside? Was the skin calipers just missing that day when Cal Larry checked in? Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's true.
He cultured just missed him, apparently. Yeah.
Listen, a team's blown a 3-2 lead in Eastern Conference playoffs this year so far. It's happened before.
Oh. The Bucs.
Oh, yeah, the Bucs. Yeah, the Bucs did.
So now it's reverse. And like Hank said, after game five, you thought it was done.
And here you are. I would like some confetti, though, Hank, for the studio.
Can you bring back some confetti? Mm-hmm. Yes.
Please. Okay.
Please. Okay, other sports.
I feel like we just mushed it, too. Tracy McGrady coming up, but he said something, and the way he said it, I saw visions of a mush, and I saw visions of old take exposed.
I won't spoil it, but it's towards the end of the interview. And I was watching it, and I was just like.
Uh-oh. You were watching it? yeah oh it's a great interview nice coming up nice uh the uh hockey the hockey Nathan McKinnon was maybe had the greatest goal ever that everyone's gonna forget that was my big hockey take yeah it's crazy it was uh it was tape to tape coast to coast like insane goal if you just watch the last three seconds of the goal you'd think it was an insane goal and then you watch the full clip and you're like, holy fuck.
But now the abs and blues go. The one thing that's nice is we get hockey on Friday night, which it would have sucked if that series had ended and we didn't get any hockey on Friday night.
Basically, what we can take away from these hockey playoffs is that NHL is way better than the NBA right now. Yeah.
You won. The hockey games have been incredible.
Some of them. Some of them have sucked.
Most of them have been good, though. The Lightning Panthers series was a total snooze fest.
It's because the Capitals beat the Panthers up so bad. Yeah, that's true.
The Lightning rolled through them. But people forget to mention that when they do the NHL-NBA debate.
But is NHL having a moment? Well, I'm telling you, all the weirdos on Twitter that are hockey fans that are like, please like my sport, this is the time when you should be high-stepping. Yeah.
This is the time when you should be dunking all over the NBA. All the crazy young talent and, like, yeah, I mean, the Battle of Alberta's been incredible.
We talked about it at the beginning of the show. But that series has been insane.
So, yeah, the NBA just needs one good series, and we just haven't had it. Yeah, we'll forget about all the other bads.
As long as we get a good finals, we'll be like, these playoffs have been awesome. And we know what we get if we get a good finals.
We can just keep saying, we deserve this. Yeah.
Like, we're sticking it through. All of our hard work of sitting on the couch and watching games, we deserve this.
Well, you can either have one of the two. You can have what what we've had this postseason where it's like a shitload of blowouts but you can't really predict which team is going to blow which team out or you can go back to last year and you can complain about everybody being injured but the games are close right so i would i would prefer this one as long as we're making a deal with the devil that we get at least a couple good finals games yes then i'll be fine with it yeah then we officially deserve Also, actually, you know what? I'm not prepared to even say that these playoffs have sucked yet because I don't know what the ratings have been.
Oh, true. Good point.
We need to look at the ratings. I feel like they've been higher.
So actually, these are the best NBA playoffs. I've enjoyed it thoroughly.
Yeah. I just like to watch it with my friends in a party setting.
As many people as possible. Just grow the game.
Yeah. That's what we're doing this this postseason uh okay let's get to uh trace mcgrady let's talk a little more basketball with him and you also hear that clip that hank alluded to uh here he is trace mcgrady when your home system or appliance breaks down american home shield will help fix or replace the covered item no matter its age visit ahs.com slash listen% off any plan.
See AHS.com slash contracts for coverage details, limitations, and exclusions. Okay, we now welcome on very special guest.
You like that clap? You like that clap? Yeah, that kind of threw me off a little bit. You're very special.
Am I? Yeah. Hall of Famer.
Very, very special. Yeah, Hall of Famer, Trace McGrady in studio.
I mean, like one of my favorite basketball players to watch. I appreciate it, bro.
Yeah. And you got – so you have a new thing coming out.
It's called the One's Basketball League. This weekend it's going to be in New York.
So we're going to air this tomorrow. It will be in New York.
And then it will be in the DMV June 4th to 5th, Bay Area June 11th to 12th,

and it's essentially one-on-one basketball

to figure out who's the best one-on-one basketball player in the country.

Now, do you realize that you've opened yourself up to just debates constantly

of people being like, who could you beat one-on-one?

That debate has been out there for years.

But reignite it. Let's go.

Yeah, I love it.

One-on-one is the true essence of basketball you think so i know so yeah okay there's one-on-one and five-on-five true matchups but one-on-one is the true pure essence of basketball i mean we all grew up playing one-on-one yeah you know uh for me i i just there's a lot of untapped talent out here you know everybody can't play in the nba right everybody can't go across season play basketball um but when i look

at the landscape of basketball players skill i understand that i've actually played with some of

these guys that can't play in the nba because they're probably put in the wrong role right

Thank you. that I've actually played with some of these guys that can't play in the NBA because they're probably put in the wrong role, right? They can't play in a structured system, right? Because they need the ball.
So if they're a player that needs the ball in their hands, right, and a coach puts them in a corner because the other player or other two players are better, these guys get depressed. They get frustrated.
And then, in essence, they get put out of the league. And we're talking number two, number three draft picks.
Like, this is why these guys can't sustain of staying in the NBA. They're in the wrong system.
But even more so than that, we're talking guys that just really never got the opportunity, got overlooked. Maybe something happened along their journey of playing basketball and something deviated them from that course.
And now they're back to loving the game of basketball. They still play at a high level.
I'm telling you, there are highly skilled guys out here that we don't know about. Yeah, that is true that when you see guys who played, it's always funny when I see someone who played in college and you realize immediately you're like, oh, okay.
It's a totally, it's something that it's so fun to just watch like you know i play in a pickup game it's nothing

but there's one guy who played in college yeah and when he comes they're like oh okay yeah that's the difference and we're talking like college to nothing then go up to the nba it's like a you know obviously a totally different jump and these guys are very very good and so you're highlighting it i love them well the thing is is giving them an opportunity man giving them a platform because you might not know there's a lot of

underground one-on-one basketball leagues

around in these cities. Yeah.
I'm just giving them a platform to really have these guys make a name for themselves. Sort of like, you know, UFC, UFC gave fighters a platform.
Right. We didn't know who these guys were until they got on the UFC platform.

We know who the basketball players are because we watch them in college.

But fighters, we don't know these guys, right?

UFC gave them a platform.

Now they're stars.

OBL is creating stars, right?

These guys' stories need to be told.

Their skill set need to be displayed on a platform to where we actually can watch them and be like, he's really good.

Yeah. So let's talk about it.
Like, prime T-Mac against Kevin Durant. Who wins? Listen, we're talking about one of the greatest scorers, two of the greatest scorers to play the game.
I was going to say, you? Both of us. You don't know.
We don't know. I'm sure KD will say he will win.
We just don't know. I mean, it's, you know, two highly skilled guys.
I feel like you back him down. I feel like you throw a shoulder into him.
He falls over. Back him down.
I mean, he is seven foot, guys. I'm only 6'8".
Right. With low arms.
Well, that's, I mean, whenever the one-on-one debate happens, I'm very, like i i mean we we do the goat debate all the time i think michael jordan's the best of all time but i do think that lebron would beat prime lebron would beat pretty much anyone one-on-one just because the height and size they didn't need the whole skill set oh you don't think so oh okay no then well he will be a problem but even somebody like kyrie despite lebron's size, he will be a problem, but even somebody like Kyrie, despite LeBron's size, Kyrie will be tough for LeBron to even guard in his prime. Right.
Right? We haven't really seen Kyrie skill set. We've seen snippets, but it's hard to really display your ultimate skill set in a five-on-five setting.
One-on-one, Kyrie, you'll probably see things that you've never seen before. Even me, like what I displayed on the NBA, I had more to give in my bag that you guys didn't see.
I didn't need to bring that out. Right, right.
I mean, Kyrie is a good answer because when he has the ball on a string and he's like going through people, it's insane. It's shot making from all the different angles.
So is it call your own foul? No, we have refs. Oh, it would have been great if it was call your own foul.
You just get guys in arguments the whole time. You know what would have.
Oh, yeah, it would have been terrible. It would have been the worst product ever.
We wouldn't finish a game.

I'm going to start an OBL. And we'd have turned into fight.

Yeah, I'm going to start an OBL.

Let's call your own foul.

And we never get past the first round.

Nah, yeah.

We probably wouldn't finish the weekend, bro.

Somebody would be jacked up.

It's funny because when you were coming up in the NBA,

I remember that was right when,

maybe a little bit before the N1 mixtape tour got really popular. And we used to always have those arguments like, oh, one-on-one, could the professor beat an NBA player or something like that? The street ballers that play.
Obviously, there are different rules when they play. You can get away with a lot.
There's no carry at all whatsoever in some of these N1 exhibition things. But you can tell that some of the players have, like, real serious talent and could probably be pretty good at least offensively one-on-one.
Is there any guy like that that you think could compete in a tournament like this? I actually think they could because they are highly skilled in terms of their dribbling, shot-making ability. They would have to adjust or adapt to the rules rules because like you said, they get away with a lot of that stuff on the M1 tours, all the carry in and just, you know, it's street ball.
I'm trying to brand and re-market what one-on-one basketball is. It's not street right it's so much more to one-on-one basketball and I always give this example um so if if I was a guy that I trained for two hours every day it's two two guys me and this other guy we trained for two hours right and after my individual training with my trainer I'm playing one-on-one basketball every single day right every single day I'm playing one-on-one basketball.
Well, the other guy, he decides he wants to go and play five-on-five organized basketball, right? So whatever we're training and we're going to play, you know, one-on-one or five-on-five, I feel like the one-on-one person is going to have a much more and quicker development because the opportunities that he's getting with the ball. Right.
Trying to trying to figure it out, trying to figure this defender out. Right.
So he's learning on the fly. Right.
Figuring out, OK, how do I create space on this guy? How do I do this? How do I do that? Whereas when you're playing five on five, the opportunities are limited. Like how many shots are you going to get? How many opportunities are you going to get with the ball in your hands for you to actually work on what you was working on with your trainer? So your development is going to be a little bit slower.
So that's one-on-one to me. And then the mental aspect of that.
You got to be tough as hell to play one-on-one in front of a crowd. Yeah, absolutely, because you're going to get embarrassed at some point.
All right, so this made me think. So you have one-on-one with the ball in your hands.
I might start a one-on-one league with the ball out of your hands where it's just guys boxing each other out for an hour and no one gets to touch the ball. We work on that skill set.
That's some serious banging right there. I'm just grinding.
Yeah, just like losers when they practice without the ball and we're just running around like setting picks. That would be a good one-on-one league.
A complimentary. We could maybe start it and do it before your games.
Have the ice bags and everything lined up on the side because there's going to be a lot of brutes. I've got a good idea.
You can make it co-ed and you can have it like in a club environment and you can have music playing and they're serving beer. I like that.
And then there's a DJ. It's just box outs.
And it's dark out. Yeah.
So you just... Box outs.
It's just freak dancing. Yeah, it's freak dancing.
Yeah, the professional freak dancing. You might have some, right? You might have some, right? You might have some, right? Yeah, that's a good idea.
I think one thing about one-on-one that has always separated the men from the boys is who's really good at checking the ball up. I was really fucking good at checking the ball up.
The checkup? The checkup. Would you throw it at his chest or his face? I'd throw it at your foot, and it would bounce right back to me.
And so is that part of the aspect? Have you thought about the guys that are dirty? No, no, no, no. No gimmicks in my league.
No gimmicks. This is all structure.
No. I love it.
Good rules.

I love it.

So I want to talk about your career because, like I said,

I was a big fan of yours.

The 75 top players that got announced, I was thinking about it.

I actually think that you benefited from it because being outside of it

because everyone was like, Tracy McGrady should be top 75,

and I think you should be.

But you got like – like if you were 74, yeah, it would have been nice to be acknowledged at halftime but weirdly like 76 is better because everyone's like where the fuck is tmack he's clearly a top 75 guy and you had everyone kind of standing up for you which you deserved so like did you see it that way where it's like hey everyone, everyone's kind of giving me my flowers, so to speak. Yeah.

In this way.

I did feel that my fans had my back in that.

Yeah.

It showed me that I had a lot of love out there.

But with that said, you know, I don't take away from, you know, anybody that was on that list.

I mean, obviously, when you make a list like that with all the great players that's come through our league,

somebody's going to get snubbed. Somebody's going to get left off.
It's going to leave room for those type of conversation. I just happen to be one of those guys.
I'm in the Hall of Fame. I don't give a shit about that top 75 list.
Like, what is that? I'm stamped in the Hall of Fame. But you were an egregious omission.
Like, I think everyone's like, how is T-Mac not on here? I say that for a few of the guys that was left off of that and dwight howard to me is yeah really the most disrespectful one yeah yeah i mean i think that dwight like you know what's actually interesting and i'd love to hear your take on it because you played for a few different teams throughout your career i think weirdly when guys move around they get discounted a little bit because like they don't like guys that stay with one team or maybe their career is two teams it just feels different than a guy who bounces around like Dwight Howard has a Hall of Fame career but he's bounced around in the second half of his career and I think people look at it differently when you bounce around well you can't take away the body of work though you can't stay You can't stay in your prime forever. I mean, everybody's not LeBron James.
Right. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Everybody can't be LeBron James. His prime years was phenomenal.
Like, he was the most Dominic Big in our game in his prime years. Yeah.
Yeah, it's true. I think you can look at your career and say that at least for a couple years you were the best scorer in the NBA for sure and I don't think that's up for debate I think that anybody that has that on their resume like you're probably one of the top 75 no brainer yeah so to me it's like what are what what are we basing this off? The individual accomplishments or team accomplishments? Because individually, like some of the guys that's on the list is not touching me on, you know, what I've accomplished individually.
Everybody can't play on championship teams throughout their careers. I didn't.
I've not once in my 15 year played on a team that it was like they have a good chance of winning it this year. Never.
They never said that about any of my teams. Do you think you would have been a good fit on those Chicago Bulls if they had drafted you? Shit.
Michael Jordan still was playing. Yeah.
I mean the trade almost happened. Were you told that was a realistic possibility? Yeah.
Well draft night before draft, I get a call at 12 o'clock at night. I'm sleeping.
My agent calls me. Hey, get up.
We got a secret location. You got to go take a physical.
I'm like, physical? For what? It's like the Bulls is really considered trading you for Scottie Pippen. And we drive like an hour outside of Charlotte, go to the clinic, they take me in the back door, sneak in, do my physical.
Next morning, the trade is not going to happen. I'm like, okay.
I didn't feel it was going to happen anyway because it didn't make sense to me. You're still winning championships.
Scottie Pippen is top 50 all time. Why the hell are you going to trade him for a rookie? Not only a rookie, but a guy coming out of high school.
It just didn't make sense. So you do have some incredible what-ifs in your career.
Oh, my gosh. Is there one? So, like, you know, there was rumors that you were going to be traded to the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe.
There was the AI. You were going to go to Philly, and then Stephen A.
Smith ruined that one. Tim Duncan signing with the Magic when he was a free agent.
Yao's just health. Is there one, though, that you're like, man, if that one had gone differently, that would have been it? Well, one for sure, and two, I'm not quite sure.
I got to get confirmation, but I'll tell you about the one, Grant Hill. Yeah.
Like if Grant Hill was healthy. Yeah.
You know, even without Grant Hill and playing that Detroit Pistons team, we were up 3-1 on them, right? And they were the number one seed. Healthy Grant Hill, I'd make it to the NBA Finals with Arlanda Magic.
Going back to the other one with Tim Duncan, there was rumors that he didn't sign because Doc Rivers didn't allow your spouse to travel on road games on a plane. And that was a deal breaker for him.
And, again, that's confirmation that I have to get. I saw Doc confirmed it a little bit.
Oh, did he? Well, he said that he told Tim that not every game that you can have your family on the plane. You can't.
Don't say that to Tim Duncan. And then the story goes.
Give that man what he wants. Yeah, I feel like that's a rule.
You kidding me? It's not like you're letting him stay out until like 5.30 in the morning or night. He just wants to be around his family more.
It's like, okay, I think I i can be a better you gotta be a better salesman well so that was the big the big part of the story that doc said um is that he had a meeting with tim duncan tim duncan was like i'm pretty sure i'm signing with the magic he's like i gotta go talk to pop one last time and then calipari called doc and was like did you get him and he's like yeah i think we got him he's just got to go talk to pop he's like no you don't have him then it's over like you because because pop and david robinson flew from hawaii to have a meeting with tim duncan and sold them like don't let him leave the building no right give him everything he wants every single thing that's a great nba what if like because the magic would have with the three of you guys would have been it would have been crazy The two of us. Yeah, the two of you.
But if Grant, you know. But Grant, oh, yeah.
We would have created a dynasty for sure. In those playoffs, do you regret saying, like, we already advanced the next round against the Pistons? Because you kind of started the Pistons dynasty by giving that Bolton board material.
I honestly don't remember saying that. All right, so then you didn't.
I don't remember saying that all right so then you didn't you can't remember saying that i yeah because i had the interview last week and somebody brought that up i was like bro show me the footage where i said that like i don't remember saying it i think you said something like it's good to get to the second round you might have implied i've heard someone say that say that. I don't remember.
We're talking, what, 2003? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was 40 years ago.
That's him talking what if, though. And then the AI one, like Stephen A.
Smith, have you ever talked to him about that? No. Because the story goes that you're going to be traded to the Sixers.
For Larry Hughes. And probably one of the most dynamic backcourts ever with you and AI,

and then Stephen A. Smith leaked it 24 hours before,

and then they got cold feet and didn't do it.

So Stephen A. Smith screwed that up.

Stephen A., you screw up.

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And now here's more Tracy McGrady. Speaking of media, I know you get this question all the time, but the pants.
Oh, so we can talk about on T8? Yeah, so if you haven't seen Trace McGrady, the most ridiculous pair of pants I've ever seen in my entire life. So here's what happened on that, right? There's no shame in my game at all.
So throughout my career, you have these guys that make suits want you as a client. So they'll make your first suit free for you, right? So in my closet, I have a bunch of suits.
I know I'm going to make an appearance on NBA TV. I don't think about it.
I just go in my closet. I grab a suit, right? Okay.
Grab a suit. Did you get dressed at home? No, no, no.
Oh, you brought it. Okay, yeah okay yeah yeah i'm traveling okay night before okay i go to uh atlanta i'm in studio i put on my suit i'm like damn i hope i don't have to stand up during a segment just sit behind the desk so you knew you knew yeah but sure for sure i knew i was like you're wearing a parachute on your legs dude they were huge they were huge i'm like oh shit we got a stand-up segment uh like not only are they wide but they're long too yeah it's shocking everyone you're a tall man and they're they're built for someone who's like eight feet tall yeah they were big big built for like the kenbe mutombo or somebody not me but yeah the pants was sw pants were swallowing me and the clit went viral.
So when they asked you to stand up, were you like, can we just stay? I hear shit, dude. Who cares? Pants, who cares? It's one of the funniest pictures.
Yeah, like, come on, man. That stuff doesn't bother me.
Even with it going viral doesn't bother me. I actually got, I laughed at it myself.
Yeah, I mean, you can't not look at that picture and be like, what the fuck? What are these pants? No, it was funny. That's the worst visual that you've ever had.
You're doing pretty good. It was funny.
It's just like, I wore a big pair of pants one time, my bad. You should, next time you go on TV, you should get even bigger.
That's my claim to shame. Yeah, but you should do that.
You should keep like, getting your pants bigger and bigger. I might start a trend.
And just keep going re-viral i might start a trend coming back yeah next time you're on tv get the biggest pants you've ever seen if i do that and shit starts to take off i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give you a cut yeah yeah you could do that you could even make it like viral on twitter and be like for every every thousand retweets this tweet gets i'm gonna wear bigger pants i'm gonna wear one inch just getting bigger and bigger and then everyone's like yo what's with the pants like what do you mean their pants their pants you're gonna make fun of my pants what's with your pants don't make fun of another man's pants yeah i think i'm my i think we're on to something guys i loved it though that was an all-time all-time clip um the other question i had the 13 points in 33 seconds how often do you watch that? I don't. What? Can we watch it? I'll tell you a true story.
Okay. Probably 10 years went by before I ever watched that game again.
Really? Yeah. I mean, that is still one of the coolest things.
If you've never seen it, just Google Trace McGrady, 13 points, 33 33 seconds it's funny too watching it because it's like a different nba where it was the there was you know 40 seconds left in the game and the score was like 74 68 66 or something it's like wait what this is the score right now but you just like did you feel it were you like i cannot miss right now yeah that was um just you know the will to take over a game and see what happens. I actually, even before that, almost got close to doing that before of having one of those miracle comebacks.
It was a moment, man. I felt it, and as you could see on the game winner, I knew it was good.
I was looking for my spot, dribbling down the left side of the court, looking for my spot. I knew I was going to make that.
The basket seemed so big. It was a magical moment.
How often did that happen in your career? Where was the basket feeling that big? I'm obsessed with the idea of guys being in the zone in basketball because it's got to be the coolest feeling.

You have no idea.

When you have that feeling that every shot you take feels like it's going in,

defenders are at my mercy.

Yeah.

When you have that type of feeling.

There's literally nothing you can do when someone feels that way.

And so how many times do you think what happened? I had it a lot. Really? I had it a lot, bro.
The year I averaged 32 points, I was having 20 points by halftime, damn near every game. Yeah.
Because I was in a zone that whole season. So you had an extended zone.
That's incredible. Could you feel like the night's coming when you were like, tonight is going to be a good night.
I can already tell. I can pre-tell that I'm going to be in the zone later on tonight.
For sure. Because I feel fresh.
I feel good. I feel like I'm going to jump out of the gym tonight.
My body just feels loose. And playing in Orlando, in that type of weather, you get that.
But playing in Toronto? Yeah. Shit.
Oh, I got to go throw out. Let me go in the Sauners.
Yeah, because even before you get to work sometimes, you have to, like, scrape off your car and shit. That's the most annoying thing about the cold weather.
Like, if you don't live in cold weather, you don't understand that you have to wake up an extra hour early to take care of all the stuff around it, and that throws off the rest of your day. Yeah, yeah.
It's tough to play in cold weather. Yeah.
It is. That Raptors team, though, with Vince Carter, when you guys were both like, you know, it was like a breath of fresh air, like both these guys' cousins, which you didn't find out you were cousins until you got drafted, right? That was weird.
How did that go down? My senior year, I moved to Durham, North carolina to go to high school finish out my high school career up there just to get the exposure because they traveled nationwide vince was obviously at unc and that's like 20 minutes apart 15 20 minutes apart i think i used to go over there and play against those guys in the summertime so I went I knew Vince

because I played on the I think I used to go over there and play against those guys in the summertime. So I went.

I knew Vince because I played on the junior team, Florida team, and he played on a senior team, Florida.

So I used to play before him.

So I'll I'll go over there to UNC.

He let me use his locker.

And I think this is like a Thursday Friday.

I told him I won't be here.

I'm going back home to attend a family reunion.

He's like, cool, I'll see you when you get back.

I get to my family reunion, sitting down, talking shit.

My grandmother tells me, she introduced me to a cousin.

I was like, okay, cool.

She was like, hey, my grandson plays college basketball.

I was like, yeah, who does he play for?

And she was like, he plays for UNC.

I was like, North Tar Heels? And she was like, yeah. I was like, who is he? She was like yeah who does he play for and she was like he plays for unc i was like north tarhills and she was like yeah i was like who is he she was like vince she called him vincent she was like vincent i was like vince carter she's like yeah i say please call him right now he's gonna freak out i say i was just with him the other day so she calls him and you know i get on the phone i'm excited what up cuz like who the hell is this this mac man mac what is t mac he's like what you doing on my grandma's phone i say bro you ain't gonna believe this i say she's at the family reunion we're family bro that's incredible holy shit that's how we found out just like that and then you guys play in the raptors together we play on the raptors like it was crazy i used to watch this like in my high school my you know 19th grade year that's all i heard about him for was vince carter right vince freaking carter he was incredible not knowing that was my cousin that's insane so you get up to durham and obviously you were you're highly sought after recruit.
I think you had a big performance at one of the summer camps, right, ABCD? Yeah, ABCD. So after you're one of the top recruits in the country, I have to imagine that Coach K was stopping by a lot, knocking on your door, given that you're just in town.
Was he swinging by with a bag, dropping off? Not the bag. He said the bag.
How much money did Coach K offer you to go to school at Duke University? He offered me a full scholarship, full ride. Full ride scholarship.
I got offers from everyone. Yeah.
There was a couple of bags, you know, maybe on the side somewhere. Yeah.
Coach K. Obviously, you made the correct decision, I think, going to the NBA and capitalizing there.
But I was going to ask about, like, do you feel like you missed out on the college experience? Well, I did miss out on it. I don't think, you know, only time I feel, you know, left out is during March Madness.
That's the only time because everybody is rooting for their team. They have a dog in the fight.
I feel like I have a dog in the fight because I was going to Kentucky so that's who I root for, my Wildcats. Here we go.
You should just do what LeBron does. LeBron I think claims Ohio State, Duke, UNC, USC, UCLA, Akron.
I'm a Wildcat. When it comes to basketball, I'm a Kentucky Wildcat.
Football, I'm a Florida guy, so you know I got to go with the Seminoles. Okay, okay, that's fair.
But, yeah, that's – I mean, when you made that transition, it is crazy to think that now guys can't do that. I think it's going to come back where guys can go straight from high school to the pros.
But when you showed up the first day, were you like, uh-oh, this is different? Or did you have that confidence like, hey, I belong right here? I felt like I belong. I played against NBA players even prior to getting drafted.
Like I played against these guys, so I know I can hold my own. It's just really understanding, okay, I got to understand how the NBA game works.
Okay, what do I need to work on? Certain things I got to work on this year and maybe add something next year. But it was just all about, okay, how do I, you know, figure this game out to be, you know, have some sort of impact in my rookie season.
It was very, very tumultuous and just

a tough freaking rookie year

with the coach that I had.

It was no structure. I wasn't

being taught the game. It was like I had

to figure that out on my own. We was always

bumping heads. It was

very tough my first half of my rookie year.

It's also a tough thing

to ask an 18-year-old to do is to

move to a different country.

Oh, gosh. And you're on your own and also here's millions of dollars.
I would have gone missing. I'm sure of it.
I was not equipped when I was 18 years old to deal with something like that. For you, was there a period where you were like, this is too much? Did you have to have somebody that you brought up there to help you out with that entire transition period? You know what?

Kobe was my guy, man, to lean on him because he went through it the previous year in Los Angeles.

It was just a very frustrating rookie year.

So I leaned on him a lot my rookie season just to help me get through it because I was on was on a young team and I felt like I should have been playing on that young team we only won 16 games that year guys right right like we were a very bad team and I got drafted ninth overall like why not teach me the game and throw me out there if you know you're grooming me to be the franchise player for this team it's's also funny because I read a story beforehand, this interview, where it was like, yeah, T-Mac his rookie year, he just slept a lot. I did.
Like 20 hours a day. It was so cold outside.
Well, and it's funny because it's like your initial reaction when you see that, like, oh, he slept a lot. Like, oh, he didn't want it.
No, no, he was literally a teenager whose body was still growing. Yeah, that's for sure.
It didn't dawn on me until I read it. I was like, wait, no, that's what teenagers do.
They sleep because their body is literally changing, and you're in the NBA. But I got knocked for it, though.
Yeah, I know. He's lazy.
All he does is sleep. He doesn't work.
Remember yourself at 18. You would just sleep all day if you could.
And I took advantage of that. I slept.
Yeah. That's great.
All right, so today's NBA.

Have you been watching any of the playoffs?

Catching a little bit?

Yeah, yeah.

Who do you like – what guy are you watching these playoffs where you're like,

wow, this guy is – this is his playoffs where he's taking another step.

Or it might be even like Steph and what the Warriors are doing resurgence-wise.

Has there been one guy that you're like, damn,

this guy's going to own the league for a while my favorite player is Jimmy Butler okay right Jimmy Butler um I know his story because I am from Houston Jimmy Butler's from Houston and like his his journey right the path that he was on is just an incredible path and and to see what he is today as a basketball player, I have the utmost respect for that guy in terms of his work ethic, what he's built himself up to be as a basketball player and as a person. I mean, amazing accomplishments in his career.
And what he's doing is just you have no choice but to get behind and root for somebody like that. And he's an incredible basketball player.
But he wasn't born with, see me, I was born with a natural ability, natural skill set. Like you could drop, God just dropped me on his earth.
Like son, you could play baseball, basketball, football, pick your choice for what you want to do. Like, that was me as a kid.
Like, I could do anything without. I could throw a football 60 yards, right? I could throw a baseball 85 in high school, 88 miles per hour, right? I could catch a football.
I ran a freaking 4-4, 4-5, right? And I could play basketball. This was without practicing or anything.
He just dropped me and gave me all this talent. Jimmy Butler, I don't think was like that.
I think he had to work his ass off to get to where he is today. And I appreciate that and he's my favorite player.
I love watching him. He's fun to watch.
What about the teams that are left right now? Are the Mavericks done or are they finished? They're both.

We're going to run this tomorrow, so I would assume the Warriors probably finished them off.

I was telling this to some of my guys.

This is what teams do.

And it's not – they don't sit in the locker room or on the bus or on the plane and talk about this.

But when you know you can beat a team, right, when you know you got them. All right, we got them.
So they up three on them. Game four is in Dallas.
Game five is back in Golden State, right? They took a night off game four. Hey, let's make them travel all the way back out to the Bay Area.
Take that flight. We'll blow their ass out, and they got to take a lonely trip all the way back to Dallas.
They're playing with their food before they eat it. It happens.
It happened to me before Utah did us like that one year. We didn't have Yao.
We won game five, had to travel all the way to Utah, and they blew our ass out game six series over with. It's going to happen tonight.
You've got to believe it's over with. Yeah.
I mean, I do agree with that. I do think they're going to beat them handily tonight.
But it's funny to hear that because there is that human element of sports where even it's hard to sweep teams because teams have pride, but also on the other side where teams are like, all right, we got you. It doesn't matter.
Yeah. We'll give partial half effort tonight.
See if we can steal one. Yeah.
Yeah, they almost did steal one. They came back and it was like cut it to like eight where it's like, all right, we'll try for like five minutes here, see if we can close the league.
It's probably going to be another blowout. It's probably going to be like a 12, 15-point Golden State win.
And so do you like the Celtics? Yeah. Or do you think the Heat can come back? No, it's over.
Oh. It's over.
It's over Friday night. Celtics will be making an appearance into the NBA Finals.
And Jalen Brown is my little bro. I trained him a couple times and he's looking really, really good.
Have you worked with his dribbling? Because there's times when it looks like he doesn't know how to dribble. But then there's times like that.
It's gotten better. On Wednesday night, he was like the second half.
He was incredible. He's been phenomenal.
He's been phenomenal in these playoffs. He's getting better and better.
But, no, I got the Celtics. They're playing a wounded team.
I know. Kyle Lowry's not healthy.
Hero is not healthy.

A lot of people are making a big deal of the every other night. And a lot of times the media will be like, well, they're pros.
They should be able to play every other night. What does it do to your body, though, when you're playing in a series and you're playing every other night? Is the bounce back really that hard? It's tough.
The longer the series goes,

the more tired

I think your body

is, especially every other

night. It's pretty tough.
If you're a

guy that's playing 40 minutes,

that's tough later as you get

in these series. If you're like the

main guy, the playmaker,

the defensive stopper,

the score for the team, it's a lot on your body yeah is it easier on you if you're younger yeah yeah for sure i mean like these guys can can run all day like they don't feel that but you know when you in year 8 10 you feel it yeah yeah yeah we're not sleeping as much at that point you're a little older yeah very little sleep body is aching waking up in the morning the achilles is tight back is tight yeah um i i was going back i was watching some of your highlights because there were there are a few that were like significant like iconic highlights my favorite shot my favorite jump shot you ever had was one where he started with the ball down like at shin level yeah and you just pulled it up over your head can't even pull it back kd does that now yeah yeah you taught him that right i didn't teach him well well he probably watched the film but yeah yeah and then the other there's just a bunch of dunks that you put out there do you have a favorite dunk of all time i don't have a favorite one of all time i know a lot of people like the the uh sean bradley one um i i have some good ones i don't i don't have a favorite one of all time. I know a lot of people like the Sean Bradley one.
I have some good ones. I don't know.
All right, so I have one last question. It's a rowback question, rhoback.com.
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We got some stops coming up. So my last question is you mentioned different sports.
You played baseball. I did.
Did you go into a game in a minor league game recently? Did you pitch in a minor league game? No. minor league baseball yeah okay so back in 2014 yeah yeah so i guess 2014 would be recently in my mind but that's not recently yes so how did you do and like that's crazy that you can just pick up what you know like you said the natural ability to just play every sport that was that's why i was telling you i was blessed with god givens talent um i didn't do so well but i was i didn't do awful like i was throwing strikes i got a strikeout in the all-star game um how fast were you throwing i was throwing like 87 in 2014 and you might be crazy yeah i haven't played since 1996 right right not so to go off there and um i remember Long Island Ducks, right? And it was this guy that played Major League Baseball.
And I was pitching against him. I knew who he was from my teammates telling me.
I blew up his bat. And that was like the thing.
Just walk off and be like, you could have done this if I wanted to. I blew up his bat.
And I didn't know if you're a pitcher

and you break someone's back, that is a thing for the pitcher.

So they was giving me my props.

I was like, oh, you blew up his bat.

He was a major league baseball player.

I'm like, okay.

I don't even know what that means.

Did you have to hit?

My coach would.

No.

Gary Gaiety was my manager.

He didn't allow me to hit.

Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty big strike zone if you had to hit.

He didn't allow me to hit. Yeah.
That would have been. And BP, I'm cracking them out.
Really? 400. Yeah.
How many pitches were you just throwing fastballs? No, no, I was throwing fast sliders. I was throwing change up.
Yeah. My change up, because my hands are so big, I can't do the circle change.
So I hold the ball like this loosely and throw it as hard as I can and it'll take like 10 miles off. That's baseball.
Must be nice. Must be nice.
I wish I could go up there and just throw like, after not throwing a baseball for 15 years, just go up there and burn 190. Yeah.
Yeah, bro. It would be really nice.
All right, so the OBL, check it out. I heard you're playing whoever wins.
You're playing them one-on-one. I'm done.
Cooked. I heard that you were going to play for the final championship, right? What'd you say? Are you done or are you finished? Yeah.
That's me. I can show you how to check up the ball real dirty.
You'll never get beat. I need that tactic.
That's pretty nice. Hey, what's that over there? And then you check it back to him and then you get the ball back.
You got all the tricks. Yeah.
I mean, when you suck, you have to get good at cheating. You got to find something else.
Right. You got to find advantages.
Right. Well, Tracy, thank you so much.
We really appreciate it. No, thank you guys, man.
Top 75 in our book. Appreciate you, bro.
Thank you for allowing me on your platform. Thank you, man.
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We got Fyre Fest of the week. Hank, what's your Fyre Fest? I don't know.
I don't know how serious I want to get with our relationship, but I have another one. We're good, dude.
We're good. Vic kind of hates me, but that's a separate conversation for a separate day.
I do not hate you at all. I'm like scared.
I miss you. I miss you.
You have meetings all the time. I miss my friends.
See, the thing is, then I come downstairs

and you just give me the death stare.

The thing is,

you're not one of us anymore.

I'm not sure.

What does that mean?

It's all rooted in a place of love

where we're-

I don't know if it is.

We're mad that you don't love us back anymore.

Yeah.

So this is defense mechanism.

I think I was like,

you should do this

and then now it makes me regret it

every day of my life.

No, fuck that.

That's not true.

Now I got to say nice things to you. I already said nice things to you um you're doing a great job honey sweetie i love you so much i'm so proud of you my fire fest when you come down and you try to pretend like you're one of the guys still makes me want to throw up in my mouth it's.
I'm going through an identity crisis.

Yeah, you are.

Hey, that's okay, though.

Hank was waiting at the doorway this morning as we were on our way into the studio.

He was standing there, and he just stuck his fist out, and he was fist bumping us when

we were coming in.

Like, the last guy, like the last security guard when an NBA team is going out onto the

court, he was like, let's go, guys.

Let's have a good show today.

Have a good show.

Never once in the history of part of my take has Hank done that. Yeah.
Well, usually I'm doing stuff. Now I'm not in the mix.
And I'm, like, trying to figure out, you know, like, I don't know. It's like a – We thought there was a hidden camera.
We were like, wait, are we getting pranked right now? What is he doing? I'm like – it's like I graduated in three years and I come back to college and everyone's still living their life, doing their thing, and I'm, like, kind of like – So you're better than us. Yeah, you're better than us.
Or, like, whatever. I dropped out.
I dropped out. I don't know.
It's like you go back to hang out with boys and nobody's got a job and they're still living with their parents. Or whatever.
It's disgusting. I don't know.
I can't drink six nights a week anymore, guys. It's time we grow up.
That's kind of how I feel like when I go down and visit them. It was great seeing my boys, but holy shit, they live like fucking animals.
I would never want to go back there. No, it's like, I do want to come back, but when I come back, I just, like, I open the room and the music turns off, record scratch, and everyone just stares at me like, what the fuck are you doing here? Who brought the cop? Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you are, you're upper management. What do you want us to say? I don't know.
My real fire fest. The fist bumps were so, they definitely threw me off.
It was really weird. I was just like, what's going on right now? I thought he was going to lock us in the room and there would be no air left.
And he'd just keep us shut in there and we would all die. It was like I was coming down to hang out.
And then Big Cat was like, you never come down to hang out. And then I was like, I came down to hang out and I got shamed for it.
Everything I do. Shame.
You know what, Hank? We're going to have a great time at Top Gun. Yes, I'm excited for that.
I can't go. My son is sick.
Sorry. My Fyre Fest is I got spoofed or...
Boofed? You got boofed. I don't even...
I can't think. You got spoofed.
My brain isn't working. I got pranked or I got spoofed.
You can't... Yeah.
I mean, this is the creative side. Your brain doesn't...
Spoofed? It doesn't bet if we put a bunch of bagels and coffee out on the table and we're like, hey, welcome to the 9 a.m. meeting, your brain would turn right back on.
Catfished? Not kind of catfished. Tom Brady posted a video.
Ah, you got j-macked. I got j-macked.
I got j-m'd hard. I don't know what I was thinking.

He posted a video where it's like a drone shot.

It looks like he hits like a, whatever, 200 yard.

Hold it out.

And I saw it and was like, holy shit, this is the greatest shot of all time.

Repost it on my Instagram.

And then every single person, I had people text me and be like, there's no way you think that's real, right?

And then I watched it a couple more times.

I was like, this is clearly the most fake video of all time. I thought it was real.
Really? Yeah. I was like, because I watched it once.
I was scrolling through Instagram. You thought they just happened to have the perfect drone shot of the perfect golf shot.
If they're droning every single one of his shots, it's not that crazy. Like, he does, all his stuff is videotaped all the time now.
So I scrolled through, saw it, didn't even think twice about it. I think that's bullshit that he's faking that hank's like i can't believe that tom brady threw a football at the moon and it turned into bitcoin that was crazy but i also that's what that's right that's what my initial reaction was like this is real and then i was thinking about the past videos he's posted which were also fake and i was like duh but i don't think you should apologize for that hank because i think that it's i never want to be a person who everything I see is like, that's fake.
Yeah. That would suck.
He's my hero. You know, I want to believe him.
I still think that those old NFL fantasy football videos were like, it was Braylon Edwards catching footballs blindfolded. Chris Cooley through the, through the drywall.
Michael Vick throwing the football out of the stadium. I still think that those were, those are real.
It should, there should be a law that you can't fake something that is conceivably real like that, because, again, it just sucks to be online where everything is like, oh, fake, that's fake, that's rigged, that's fake. That sucks.
Agreed. It's a terrible life to live.
Agreed. Except that one was just obviously fake, though.
But I watched it for two seconds. It was a sick video, though.
If it was real, maybe the greatest golf shot ever. And drone shots are like golf film shots.
Those new drone shots are getting cooler and cooler. The one we did in the office, it seemed like something similar to that.
And I just watched it. I scrolled it.
And I was like, oh, that's cool. And they sold it really well.
Yeah. So that was my FireFest.
Okay. All right.
Good FireFest. Thanks.
A+. Also, I left my Apple Watch at home.
Oh, that's tough. Also, quick Apple Watch discussion.
Blows my mind. I'm new to the Apple Watch life.
It is a corporate move, and I joined the ranks. Jake Marsh wears his in the shower, and it blows my mind every day.
Yeah, I do, too. It's waterproof, right? Yeah, remember that was my FireFest before.
You have to put on the teardrop thing i'm way too scared to touch it i check my messages in the shower yeah yeah sometimes you could voice text in the shower yeah not me really no you've never had a waterproof watch before i just break things all the time so it's like yeah bringing technology in the shower just doesn't really make sense to me. I get that there's a feature to prevent it, but I'm not buying it.
Apple Watches, in my opinion, ruined academia because literally they're the number one thing used to cheat. Yep.
No one was cheating before Apple Watches. I know, but it's so much easier.
How do you cheat using an Apple Watch? You can get people to text you stuff and text them back without anyone knowing. Can't the teacher be like, why are you just looking at your watch throughout this entire test? No, because it's so much easier to hide.
It's just rampant uses. I've never had an Apple Watch, but I wanted to buy one just because it would have been so much easier.
Billy was a huge academia fan before before the apple watch came along yeah and ruined everything now there's no integrity in college exactly okay pft your fire fest is that i've i've had two years two and a half years to prepare and i haven't done shit to improve myself for the XFL tryouts

that I just found out are going to be in October

with Nick Novak, the former NFL kicker.

He's running the XFL tryouts for special teams.

And I've been saying, oh, I've got two and a half years.

Oh, I've got two years.

I've got a year and a half left.

I've got a year left.

I'll start to work and I'll start to get in shape.

I haven't kicked a football since I got cut from the XFL.

Are you retired?

No, we retired from the NFL. Right.
Are you retiring from the XFL? I'm considering retiring from the XFL. You've got to do a press conference.
I will be doing a press conference to announce my decision. I'm going to talk with my family, and I'm going to figure out what's best for the future.
If there is a future for a 37-year-old in the XFL, people are saying that there might not be. Also, there's something in the paperwork that you have to fill out saying that you had to play college football within the last five years.
I don't know if they count NCAA football on Xbox. I'm going to find out.
I've got my agents and representatives reaching out to find out the details behind that or if maybe there's a fake college that I can that I can enroll in in order to qualify for the XFL but um I think I'm going to make my decision the next two weeks because the summer's coming up like yeah you can't you gotta let yourself yeah if the tryout was going to be like in March be like, all right. Yeah, I can.
During the wintertime, I'll work out and I'll do some kicking. But this is summer.
I'm going to be at the beach. Yeah.
I don't want to sacrifice my entire summer just to get good at kicking footballs. So I'll be thinking about it.
I'm considering all options that are all on the table right now. Whatever you do, we support you.
I'm following my heart. I'm following my heart right now, guys.
So thank you for your thoughts. Okay.
We support you. Thank you.
All right. My fire fest is I miss Hank.
That's it. The old Hank? The old Hank.
No, my real fire fest is I woke up today and I found out I have the softest hands at Barstool. That's why he's been pissed this whole time.
No, Billy. That's why the vibes have been off.
It was the first thing that Big Cat said to me when I came to the office. So here's what happened.
So when I got better, PFT told me about this, which makes it even funnier. I guess on the group text and macrodosing, Billy sent his hands and Arian said, your hands are soft.
And Billy just immediately goes, Big Cat's hands are soft. No, no, no.
He said that. no he said that no he said that drake the rapper had some of the softest hands i'll walk i'll walk through the entire story because i don't believe anything billy says so on macrodosing yesterday we were talking with arian and he was saying how one time he dapped up drake and he was like drake has the softest hands that i've ever shaken my life he's like i dapped him up twice over the course of like a seven year span and they're crazy soft like weirdly soft and then billy sent a picture of uh his hands right group chat because we're talking about getting lead stuck in your hand and then aaron was like yo billy you've got some soft fucking hands and he got and then billy was like actually like loki you know who has the softest hands this is crazy.
What? Yes. How crazy is this? And then I was like, Billy, don't say it.
And then he texted the group chat. I was like, I would not say this out loud because you literally just got back.
I've never said it out loud. For no reason.
He just was like, Big Cat's got soft hands. Coley said it.
I was like, you just got soft hands? Yeah. I haven't seen Coley in like six years.
No, no, no, no. Coley read Billy's text.
I literally wanted to cut it from the show because I knew it would be just like such a big deal. I do have soft hands.
I have blogger hands. I've lived a life of blogging.
The funny part to me is Billy thinks that he has like coal miner hands. Dude, I literally.
Captain Cons went and looked at them and Captain Cons is like, your hands don't even have calluses. Bro, I have calluses.
You can see them. Let me see.
You can see see on my hands like so pretending that he's like this hard-working blue-collar okay I have amazing look I'm I'm not like here to like say I'm that but like I have a resume that like he worked construction for his dad so I'm sure he was six years ago yeah I worked like like for you were in academia summer Billy Did you like did you wear gloves when you play football? Did you do like an internship at a fucking financial company? Yeah, for one summer, but like literally all through high school in the summer after right? Yes Then the summer after I worked at an excavation company and then I went into fine Damn your hands must be grizzled. They.
They were back then. Did you wear gloves when you played football? Not in high school.
So in college, yes. Yeah.
You know who didn't wear gloves in college? Jack Nicklaus' grandson. Is Nick O'Leary related to Jack Nicklaus? Who? The guy on FSU.
Yeah, he's Jack Nicklaus's grandson. Holy shit.
So, yeah, I mean, I have soft hands because I've been blogging for 10 years. I've been living in New Yorkat.
I wasn't saying you have soft hands. It's just crazy that Billy thinks that he has hard hands.
I have fucking hard hands. You're no different than us.
Dude, literally the one thing I had when boxing was they told me I had heavy hands. And that was a compliment.
You don't have heavy soft, but. Wait, your trainers that were gassing you up trying to convince you like you're going to win the fight.
Or your dad who had you work construction who I'm sure was making you work hard as shit. Yeah, well, actually, it was fucking like if I didn't work hard, then it would look bad on my dad.
So I was busting my ass out of my dad. Okay, there's one way to do it.
I don't know why we're making this such a, like, we, like. You could have just not said big hands.
I got a ricochet out of nowhere. I literally wanted to cut it because I knew what you were saying in the first place.
Arian made fun of your hands, hands and then you're like you know who's got really soft hands.

Big Cat.

No.

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PFT said.

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happened.

I'm not the only one

who said that.

What?

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in the history who

have said that.

Said what?

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the message?

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saying?

There's multiple people

that are saying Big Cat

has soft hands.

Look you know what

just drop it.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Now we have to find

out.

Yeah. It's been on this show What? Who? What are you talking about? It's been on this show And the listeners will know What are you talking about? So then say what it is Does Jake have soft hands hands that's not an insult i've literally been blogging for 10 years of course my hands are soft i don't pretend

to be some like coal miner like billy not pretending to be a coal miner i just like

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I've got probably the hardest.

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I have fucking mitts, bro. I don't know why this is such a thing.
Okay, there's one way to decide this. Dude, you're a blogger.
You literally... Hey, hey, hey.
Now I do. I've got it.
There's one way to decide this. I think that the best in the office at executing handshakes, Jake, should blindfoldedly shake both of your hands and then say whose hands are harder.
I don't know, but I know I have soft hands. The part that's just funny to me is that Billy thinks he has these hands, construction hands.
He's like a 65-year-old retiree who's been working and he can't even straighten his fingers anymore. I'm not saying that.
He worked two summers in construction and he's got hands that are steel. Are we? Whatever.
Do a handshake. I really don't give a fuck about this.
This is crazy. You definitely don't.
I mean you're attacking me after a spawn. I mean we're all about ball busting.
Right. Yeah, right.
Yeah. I mean, we're all about ball busting, right? I made fun of your hands.
I made one comment about your- I'll close my eyes. Okay, can you pull your hood over your eyes? I made one comment about detrimental to you.
And this has blown up so much. Arian saying you have soft hands got you so upset.
You're like, big cat has soft hands. Because that's literally, just listen to the tape.
It's not like that crazy. Okay okay it's a text message no it was on air it was on the podcast we had the discussion on the podcast and then billy got upset that his hands were soft and then yes i literally told billy i've never been told that my entire everyone i have soft whatever so that's that's the part that's funny to me you know what you know I'll step back.
Maybe I've been seeing the degradation of my hands that used to be absolute like fucking

granite.

Blocks of granite.

You know, now that I'm becoming, I'm not as strong as I used to be.

I'm not as athletic.

I'm slowing down.

My hands have lost their calluses.

Now maybe I'm self-conscious about that.

Yeah.

Because I'm slowly having my hands turn into your hands. There it is.
That's therapy. That is.
That was good. We're good.
That's good. Good job.
That's growth. Because if you had a construction worker shake my hand and you have soft hands, I'd be like, yeah, dude, I do.
Yeah. I've literally been working inside for my life.
I still want to know who has softer hands though okay so jake close your eyes and then we're gonna mix it up right now you both of you guys stand up billy stand up okay so you can't hear you go all right you go first, second handshake

Okay

All right Jake who had harder hands one or two

First so Billy's got some softer hands. Oh, yes! Bullshit! Yes! Oh, yes, Jake! You knew.
You can tell whose hands are. No, Jake's not a liar.
I don't know. Jake's not a liar.
Oh, no, Billy. I literally did the softest in the office.
You had softer hands in me. Dude, that's not even true at all.
Fucking. I feel bad because this is right after.
This is right after. This is right after.
This is harder handshake. It was a harder handshake? Yeah.
You had a double whammy. A dead fish, soft dead fish.
Well, honestly, I didn't go hard-o on the handshake because it was like... Did I? I did a regular handshake.
Whatever, dude. There's some excuses.
Whatever, dude. Whatever.
Anyway, my fire fest. My fire fest is that I cracked my phone.
And I even bought a life proof case. How did you crack it? I fucking, I was running through the woods and like fell, cracked it.
I don't, did you really fall? Is that a true story? Yeah. I was trying to move through the woods really fast.
Yeah? Sounds like you were stalking somebody. Yeah, what happened? Did it fall out of your little baby hands? Dude.
I'm just going to post a picture of my hands to Twitter right now. Yeah, that'll be good.

No one's going to roast these. Definitely, that's going to go well for you, and you're not going to get upset.
It's going to make things so much worse. So much worse.
No, because my hands are my hands. Right.
Which is why you're totally comfortable and confident in them. Which is why you're about to post it to strangers online.
Dude, you have soft hands energy. So this is

This is getting into like the third or fourth layer

Of Billy's Freudian lizard

Yeah Now you're about to post it to strangers online. You have soft hands energy.
I don't know. So this is getting into like the third or fourth layer of Billy's Freudian lizard brain right now.
Right. Where it's like it started with someone insulting him.
So he then insulted someone else. And now we've led to a point where he's like quadrupling down.
You missed some special memes. It's unfortunate.
But Jake judged. And I have harder and stronger and harder hands than Billy.
That is just not true. I mean, Jake said it.
Jake would never lie. Billy, honestly, I'll disavow my own title as stronger and tougher hands than you.
I don't want it. I don't want the title.
This bit has gone on for way too long. I don't want the belt.
Take the belt. I don't want it.
You take it. I mean, you've literally been pissed off all day.
Because I have soft hands. I'm admitting I have soft hands.
They're as soft as could be. I know, but you've been pissed off all day.
You don't have hard hands. You are not as tough as you think you are.
I absolutely am. Okay.
All right, Jake, you're Fyre Fest. My Fyre Fest is is i had diary on the show the other day so we already talked about it but that was that was very low point of the week yeah that was very tough yeah that was it and people were they thought that it was unprofessional of you listen i will say this if i was going into a game i would not have a cheesesteak as a pregame meal.
Yes. Okay, but what about this, Jake? What if you had food poisoning from the night before and you had to call the Super Bowl? Would you wear a diaper? If I'm fortunate to call the Super Bowl one day, I will have a plain turkey sandwich.
Okay, what if there's salmonella? It's poisoned, yeah. Okay, I'll have a bagel with cream cheese.
Okay, what okay what that cream cheese is poison too it's a poison cream cheese okay i'll have fruit the question is jake fruit always goes a banana the question is would you wear a diaper on the air if you had e coli during the super bowl yeah you'd have to that's true you have to that's fair yeah and hopefully the person you're doing it with would be cool about it i feel like they'd also have to have diarrhea. Tony Romo would be fine with it.
Yeah, you'd have to. That's true.
You'd have to. That's fair.
Yeah. And hopefully the person you were doing it with would be cool about it.
I feel like they'd also have to have diarrhea. Tony Romo would be fine with it.
Yeah. Yeah.
You'd have to. Yeah.
Tony Romo would have to get diarrhea in solidarity. Yeah.
That's fair. Yeah.
All right. Meems, do you have a Fyre Fest? Oh, the Rangers? That.
And I keep forgetting to pay for parking. So I'm just racking up tickets.
What does that mean? Like you get out of the car and you just... Yeah, so there's an app on my phone that I have to pay it on.
Okay. And I just get on the train and forget until like six o'clock the next day and just hope I don't have a ticket on my car.
You know what? I'm almost in favor of just putting the chip in my arm and letting me just like scan shit as I walk through. I know it's like it's egregious and it's not a good idea for like personal liberty, but I'm at the point where like I forget to do so much stuff.
I just as much magic as can happen where stuff gets taken out of my bank account and put in other people's accounts that I owe money to. I'm fine with it at this point.
It's also one of those things that now that it's automated, you forget because it's so easy to forget. Whereas before it's like, oh, I need quarters to go to the meter, put them in.
I'm fine with it at this point. It's also one of those things that now that it's automated, you forget because it's so easy to forget.
Whereas before, it's like, oh, I need quarters to go to the meter, put them in. I'm really dating myself right now.
But you had that action. They still have that, but they made it easier now that there's that.
But worse for you. Not easy.
I just get on the train and forget. Yeah.
And it's like you forget to pay $0.25 and pay $50 for a ticket. Yeah.
Fuck. Brutal.
That is brutal. How much money do you owe? I think it's like you forget to pay 25 cents and pay $50 for a ticket Yeah Fuck Brutal That is brutal How much money do you owe? I think it's like $250 $250 a ticket? Damn Damn Oh in total Damn Alright numbers Anything else? Numbers? 26 No show Monday, show Tuesday No show Monday, show Tuesday Sorry, that's a good call jake oh actually my real fire fest i'm sorry i forgot to say i love you on wednesday's show i forgot i forgot to tell you guys that i loved you guys i do love you guys we we interviewed bo pelini and we interviewed it like we did that interview first and so it didn't feel like the end of the show i forgot to say i love you you guys afterwards.
I apologize. I'll never do it again.

From this point on, you'll never see a

podcaster love his audience more than

I love you guys. That's beautiful.
God bless. That's

beautiful. Alright, 26.

25. 69.
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6. 41.

Hank picked

10. I'll

say 10 72 i feel like we had 72 last night we did not a lot of numbers last night 72 is a little glitch here uh six time six. Sixth time.
All right.

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