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Speaker 6 Experienced on today's part of my take, we have our good friends Greg Olson and George Kittle. It will screw me up during the interview.
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Speaker 6 Today is Wednesday, May 25th, and the most exciting thing we had tonight was a rain delay inside of an NBA arena.

Speaker 8 Yeah, we had a leaky roof tonight. Kurt Warner having a stroke watching that.
Like,

Speaker 6 can we do a double dome over top of that?

Speaker 8 I really don't want any weather creeping in. Well, no, actually, big cat, you're wrong.
I think that was the second most exciting thing.

Speaker 8 The most exciting thing that happened was Jake's nodding his head right now. We got a Leggy.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Free throw. Never seen that before, Jake?

Speaker 6 Not up a game. No.

Speaker 6 It was actually, I mean, and while we're taping this, we're taping this with three minutes left, four minutes left.

Speaker 6 I'll never count out the Warriors, they're down 13 right now, so we might just look like the dumbest people in Earth by the end. 12.
Now, down 12, now down 12. So, like, we basically started the show.

Speaker 6 We're like, hey, should we do this starting into the fourth quarter? Because the Warriors were down a million, now they're down 11.

Speaker 8 And of course,

Speaker 6 the Warriors are the Warriors, and they can come back from anything. But we're going to assume the Warriors lose this game.

Speaker 6 And if they don't, we'll keep this all in and we'll just correct it by the end of this.

Speaker 6 Either way, it was the two most exciting plays in the game, or the three most exciting plays in the game were the wedgie or whatever we're going to call it, where the ball just stopped on the rim, the rain delay, and then Luca just shooting one of the greatest horse shots I've ever seen, where he threw it up in the air after Warriors down eight.

Speaker 6 This is awesome. And I'm pretty sure Steph can play.
I've not, and Draymond have not been in this fourth quarter.

Speaker 6 Awesome. Dude, if the Warriors steal this game, holy fucking shit.
And I did my whole tweet about how it's always blowouts and everything's a blowout.

Speaker 6 The Warriors might be the only team that can be blowout proof.

Speaker 8 Well, it's crazy because in a game like tonight, this would be the Bowband game. We were supposed to get Bowband tonight, but it would no, like you said, no lead is safe against the Warriors at all.

Speaker 6 You put Steph back in right now? Yeah, absolutely. They just, they just, yeah, but they just came all the way back with their

Speaker 6 bench players.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you roll the dice.

Speaker 6 They're playing earlier in the fourth, but

Speaker 8 you put Steph back in and you give America a night that they won't forget. That's that's what you have to do right now.

Speaker 8 I now I really hope that the Warriors win this game, especially because later on in the episode, I said the Warriors won earlier tonight.

Speaker 6 So you did.

Speaker 8 I don't want to seem dumber than usual on the podcast. I don't need to go out of my way to make myself look like an idiot.
But yeah, the halftime, the halftime delay was, that was electric.

Speaker 8 It's always funny when they kick it back to the booth, back to the halftime show, guys, and they're like, okay, just kind of ad lib for anywhere between five and 20 minutes until we get this thing fixed.

Speaker 8 They sent a guy up to the roof, up to the catwalk. First of all, I would have puked and gotten dizzy and fallen over the ledge if I was up there.
But they sent a guy up there with a towel.

Speaker 8 That was their game plan. It was very reminiscent of many afternoons where we've seen FedEx Field in the fall in Raleigh John Maryland.

Speaker 8 But yeah, their big plan was just like hold, they should have sent him up there with like one bucket and then send another guy up to like replace the Home Depot bucket with a new bucket every five minutes.

Speaker 6 Why didn't they just use duct tape?

Speaker 6 I like, I know it's a joke like you know the apollo 13 or whatever when they use duct tape but duct tape literally fixes everything if you just duct tape the hole you'll be fine for at least the rest of the game that's a fact i i also every time i saw you tweet that clip i was i was so confused because i went on the chiclets stream for the battle of alberta for the first period and i came back to my couch and it was like still halftime and i was like wait that was 35 minutes.

Speaker 6 What the hell's going on? Are they are the Warriors now? What would you put your hands up for, Hank?

Speaker 6 They put Steph back in, they let Luca dunk the ball, and then they just do it in an offensive foul. Like that,

Speaker 8 Steph was not involved in either of those plays, but the vibes, but it did have the vibes changed.

Speaker 6 I mean, if you look at it's actually funny to look at the Warriors starters versus bench, everyone in the starters is minus 18 or worse, and everyone on the bench is like plus 15 or better.

Speaker 8 It does make sense that the Mavericks are winning this game because this is like the formula that the Mavericks need.

Speaker 8 Like, Luca can go out there and he can can score 40 points if he wants to, but those are the games that you're probably going to end up losing because it means that Luca is trying to do it all one-on-one and not really, you know, like for whatever reason, it could be that no one else is getting involved.

Speaker 8 It could be that everybody else is missing their shots, but that's you're not going to win many games against the Warriors when Luca is doing the thing where he puts the entire team on his back.

Speaker 8 In this game, what does he have? Like 26 points right now and like seven assists, eight assists?

Speaker 6 Yeah, 14 rebounds.

Speaker 8 14 rebounds.

Speaker 8 That's the formula. Martin Cuban should just be like, hey, every night, Luca, you go out there, you score 28 and also have like three other starters in the late teens, early 20s.

Speaker 6 I don't know if it's that's totally the formula.

Speaker 6 I think it's more just those other guys finally did hit shots because remember in game three, they were 28% from three and Reggie Bullock was 0 for 7 from 2. And they all like...

Speaker 6 The Mavericks weren't going to just miss every shot for this entire series. So it was going to happen.
They were getting good looks. They just weren't hitting any of their shots.

Speaker 6 So it finally happened tonight. And even still, the Warriors almost came all the way back, which would have been incredible if they had won this game.
Again, they still could win this game.

Speaker 8 By the saber metric stat of the night came from Stan Van Gundy. This was like three minutes ago when the Warriors were down by probably 24 points.

Speaker 8 And he said, the hardest thing to do is win in the NBA because the other team is trying to win too.

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 it's Trent Dilfer stuff right there.

Speaker 8 Unless you're playing the Kings.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I just hate that the Mavericks, like, this was supposed to be the game three energy, and we all bet on them on Sunday night. Like, you can't do game three energy in game four.

Speaker 6 You screw everything up. When you're down 2-0 and you go back home, you're supposed to win that game, not lose, and then win game four.

Speaker 6 So they've got me all screwed up, and I'm sure they'll win game five if they if they uh pull this one out. But um, yeah, I guess the Warriors are the, at least they didn't make it a blowout.

Speaker 6 At least they made the fourth quarter kind of fun for a minute. Yeah, for about 13 again.

Speaker 8 One minute.

Speaker 6 Now it's back up to the, well, there's still two and a half minutes left that's plenty of time yeah but steph should never have been brought back in um we should we should talk real quick uh memes are you ready to are you ready to to face the music 10 points i'm here um where are you at right now because the rangers win four to one it's now two to two in the series it seems like the canes just can't win on the road which has to make you a little nervous knowing that if the rangers can steal one you're now in hell yeah so the worry meter goes up with each win.

Speaker 6 But funny, funny how that works.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 that is how series worked.

Speaker 6 Well, now it's the best of the truth.

Speaker 8 But I was looking at their scores from the last series. They got blown out by the Bruins away every single time in all three games.

Speaker 6 So you're just going to, you're going to bank on a game seven at home. You'll be okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But they also have, they also have the lightning waiting for them if they do win.

Speaker 8 Yeah. So memes, I noticed, you know, several tweets from the Battle for Alberta game.
Didn't see that many coming from you from the Rangers game tonight.

Speaker 2 So, like,

Speaker 8 I don't know if you got hacked in the middle of that game.

Speaker 6 Phone was charging.

Speaker 8 I tweeted one out. It said Rangers 2.0.

Speaker 9 So I was like, who's got the gun to your head?

Speaker 8 You have to be unbiased, memes. It's right there in your bio.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you know, it's bad memes when I start getting tweets being like, has anyone checked on memes? That's usually my radar.

Speaker 6 Like, whenever something bad happens in the sports world to any of us i'll start getting tweets being like oh no check on hank check on jake like all these things so that's why i had to ask how you're doing and it seems like you're in denial if i had to pinpoint what the mood is Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 6 They look really good. Here's what you do.

Speaker 8 Here's what you do, memes. You know, those, those losers that have in their profile on Twitter, like retweets are not endorsements, thoughts are my own.

Speaker 8 You just need to put in the part of my take bio,

Speaker 8 thoughts are not my own. So it's just like, it's just the game flowing through you, not even your own thoughts.
Right. You can't be held responsible for anything.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Solid.

Speaker 8 Sounds good.

Speaker 6 And the Battle of Alberta has been electric, no matter what. I mean, it's going to be.

Speaker 6 What? What do you got?

Speaker 6 I saw you on the chicken screen. Yeah, I have both.
I have the Eulers and the Flames. Futures on both.

Speaker 8 So you want the Flames to win so it goes longer no i i would like i probably would like the oilers to just finish this off at this point because i want them to be fresh for the avalanche yeah you want them to have fresh legs going into that also i'm going with the oilers too just because i i know a player on the oilers yeah so that's kind of my standard when it comes to west coast you know two

Speaker 10 Who's the second?

Speaker 6 Dunkey Keith's also on the Dunkey Keith. There you go.

Speaker 8 Okay. Yeah.
So I know two more players on the Oilers than I do on the Calgary Flames.

Speaker 6 Okay, we're going to kick it back to ourselves in the studio for Heat Celtics. By the way, we're streaming it tomorrow night live from the PMT studios.
So, tune in. We will be live for game five.

Speaker 6 I'm sure it will be a blowout, but we don't know which way.

Speaker 8 Oh, that just reminded me. I was supposed to go to Manhattan tomorrow night.
I guess we'll postpone that. When Hank, you're the programming director of this entire website.

Speaker 6 You're the president. Uh, let's do Saturday night, nine o'clock.

Speaker 8 No,

Speaker 8 I'm unavailable. I have another, I have a meeting.

Speaker 6 All right, so Sunday morning at 7 a.m.

Speaker 11 Yeah, another meeting.

Speaker 8 Watching the UEFA Champions League then. So

Speaker 8 I don't want to cannibalize our own company's stream that we'll probably have.

Speaker 6 Definitely have.

Speaker 2 All right. Well,

Speaker 6 tune in. We'll be

Speaker 8 save it for next Wednesday. I'll just tease it right now.
Next Wednesday,

Speaker 8 I'm going to be bombing Dan Snyder's train.

Speaker 6 There we go. Yeah, there'll be no NBA Finals game.
It doesn't start until Thursday, so you're good to go. Beautiful.
All right, let's kick it to ourselves in studio.

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Speaker 1 So, Heat Celtics,

Speaker 1 another blowout. We'll throw another one into the blowout meter.

Speaker 1 These playoffs, I said it on Monday, and again,

Speaker 1 I know that there's a lot of anti-NBA weirdos that want to hop into this storyline of the NBA playoffs game-to-game not being very competitive.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll get to hockey later for those.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Like, it's one of those things that I can hold two thoughts in my head at the same time.

Speaker 1 I can love basketball and think that these playoffs have been a little bit disappointing because the series are competitive, but the games are not.

Speaker 1 And I would like for the games to be competitive more than, like, if you had me choose, I think I'd rather have really competitive games, two-point games in a five-game series than seven blowouts.

Speaker 2 Yeah, not a sweep, but like a five- to six-game series where they're competitive, where at least we get like three competitive games rather than a seven game series where it's like 20-point victories each side, it's all shaping up to be the most confusing NBA finals of all time because you've got the Warriors who we already talked about them tonight.

Speaker 2 Yep. But we're time traveling.
So the Warriors swept the Mavericks tonight.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 they look like they're world beaters. They're the old Warriors right now.
And they're going into the finals against a team that probably is going to go six or seven games.

Speaker 2 And it's going to be...

Speaker 12 It's a fair assumption.

Speaker 2 But it's going to be a blowout for most of them. Thank you, Hank.

Speaker 1 It has to go six.

Speaker 2 Hank, you don't need to be so fucking spicy.

Speaker 2 But what I'm saying is, like, you don't know, no matter if it's the Heat or the Celtics, no matter which team advances to the finals, I have no idea how to handicap this finals.

Speaker 2 I don't know if the Warriors are that good, if the Heat are that good, if the Celtics are that good. I don't know what I'm going to do.

Speaker 1 I think we just got to parse it down to

Speaker 1 if any team plays their best, they're the best. You know,

Speaker 1 that's kind of like, because I've talked myself into it many times where I'm like, no one's beating the Warriors best, but what about the Celtics best?

Speaker 1 That could beat anyone, but what about the Heats best? That's a tough team to beat.

Speaker 2 I'd say, like,

Speaker 2 these Celtics could beat those Warriors, right? And those Heat could beat those Warriors, but those Warriors would beat these Heat.

Speaker 1 Yes, I followed that. It makes sense.
The one thing that confused me about the game, so it was decided pretty much within the first five minutes. It was 18 to 1, I think, at some point.

Speaker 1 The Heat missed their first 11 shots. Was it 11 or 12 shots? 13.
13 shots from the field. It was disastrous, disastrous start.

Speaker 1 I was very confused, though, with this series and the injuries that happened. Every single game, it feels like, oh, okay, Marcus Smart's not playing.
Oh, Tyler Harrow's not playing.

Speaker 1 Oh, like, you know, Robert Williams might not play. Right.
It was weird to me that the Heat, even though the game was decided in the first quarter, they played their starters in the second half.

Speaker 1 And I was waiting for them to be like, hey, let's punt and go to the next game. And they never really did that.
They kept on trying to claw back.

Speaker 1 and it wasn't possible because the Celtics were just way better than them on Monday night.

Speaker 12 We'll see if this matters, too.

Speaker 5 But Derrick White left the game with like a groin injury with like three minutes left when the game was very much decided. So hopefully that isn't a factor, but that was a little bit

Speaker 5 Thibodeaux. Yeah,

Speaker 2 what's the quarters update, Hank?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 The quarters, what is it, Jake?

Speaker 12 9-2-3 or something?

Speaker 11 Well, they tied the third.

Speaker 1 It was a great game of quarters. Oh, wow.
So it was only 2-1 for the Celtics last night.

Speaker 1 one to one. Yeah, wow.

Speaker 11 Yeah, so the heat of momentum.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they do. It's true.
He's on the quarter. Yeah, they are.
You got to worry about it.

Speaker 2 A one-game quarter streak.

Speaker 1 I also,

Speaker 1 we talked about it on Monday, but Bam Adebayo being the most frustrating guy to watch because he's good enough to take over any game.

Speaker 1 And then I think he had his second field goal attempt with like 60 seconds left in the second quarter. He ended up with five shots total.

Speaker 1 And it's like every time, I'm like, dude, just you're Al Horford deserves a ton of credit. Robert Williams deserves a ton of credit.
The Celtics defense is completely different when he's on the floor.

Speaker 1 But I just keep,

Speaker 1 I keep watching Grant Williams. I keep watching Bam being like, just do some stuff, dude.

Speaker 1 He's the verbal meme, the guy with the stuff you're poking. You're poking him, like, do something, dude.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Jimmy Butler last night, I feel like in the first half, tried to make this into a Jimmy Butler game, but he's not healthy enough to make it a Jimmy Butler game.

Speaker 2 So he was taking most of the shots. And Bam, I do think that there is something to the fact that, like, when Jimmy Butler, when he's on your team, like, he has to be the alpha.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I think that if you're not, like, a really strong-willed dude, then you're just more than happy to let Jimmy Butler go out there and do his thing because he is a dog.

Speaker 2 And Bam will step into the dog role when Jimmy's not there, but when he's around, he's always going to be the one that's like deferential. Yes.

Speaker 2 And like lacks a little bit of confidence in himself because Jimmy's out there doing his Jimmy thing, even when Jimmy's not 100% like I don't think he was last night either.

Speaker 1 No, I'd agree.

Speaker 2 And also, Peyton Pritchard played well. Yeah.
Peyton Pritchard went out to the code. After he broke the code.
He did his thing. He broke the code, but he came back.

Speaker 2 His whole look when he's wearing the low-top black shoes,

Speaker 2 a lot of people jump straight to the smash the cop button and be like, that guy looks like a cop. Peyton Pritchard looks like a fucking cop.
Oh, he definitely looks like.

Speaker 2 He looks like either a police officer undercover as a busboy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He looks like a cop that will show up to a basketball game and then cross everyone up and then bleach reporting in Sports Center Instagram accounts will be like skull emoji, skull emoji. Wow.

Speaker 2 I love those videos.

Speaker 1 When a cop shows up, it's like a female cop shows up and just gives a guy like 20 and 10 right to his face yeah like damn this is crazy all right so i have a question for you hank before i want to get she's got a gun of course you're not going to take a charge yes uh question

Speaker 1 yes marcus smart defensive player of the year correct that's facts would you

Speaker 1 would you agree though Robert Williams, most important defender on the Celtics?

Speaker 5 100%. If Robert Williams was healthy all year, he would have been the defensive player of the year.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 5 I think most of the players would agree.

Speaker 5 He will be defensive player of the year eventually in his career.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he could also be like the defensive player of your team, but not the defensive player of the league.

Speaker 1 Well, that was why a lot of people were

Speaker 1 just injured, but that's that.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, people are up in arms with the guard winning defensive player of the year because rim protectors and guys who can alter everyone's shot that gets even close to the rim, like Robert Williams, changes the entire scope of the defense.

Speaker 5 He had like 30 more blocks this season than Bam, and he missed like 30 more games.

Speaker 1 So my second question is, we're just, this is just the mood ring series where we're just riding Hank's mood.

Speaker 1 You are are now back to this team is the best in the world.

Speaker 2 It's the best of three.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm planning on going on Friday. Shout out to game time, but I'm expecting it to be a closing match confetti season.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're on. Oh, confetti for winning the East? No, Confetti for winning the championship.
What if, I mean, Philly just did confetti for the first round? That was...

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's kind of thrown off my thing when they did it.

Speaker 1 Well, no, they did confetti for a game that they didn't win.

Speaker 5 For making it to overtime. Yeah, right.
And then they lost.

Speaker 2 So I was confused. They should do confetti at the start of the game.

Speaker 1 So they don't even do t-shirts. No, they don't.
It's all t-shirts with sports.

Speaker 5 I do t-shirts.

Speaker 1 They're confusing. There might be confetti.
They do the t-shirts that are like, we run the east. Yeah.
Like the east, the beasts in the east. Something like that.

Speaker 5 I feel like if they do a stage in a trophy presentation, they do confetti as well.

Speaker 12 They do. So I'm expecting that.

Speaker 1 And it's the Larry Bird trophy and the Magic Johnson trophy now. They just named that.
So for, yeah, for the most valuable player in the conference finals. That'll be awesome.

Speaker 1 They just keep adding trophies, which is going to be funny because it'd be great if they do like playing most valuable player play in trophy, James Harden. That would be sick.

Speaker 1 Play in P. Yeah, yeah.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Play NP is in the West. James Harden's in the East.

Speaker 2 So, Hank, are you like, give me your confidence meter right now? You're talking confetti on Friday. So you're saying it's, you're even 95%.

Speaker 1 You're throwing out the like, it's not even a best of three right now.

Speaker 2 You're just saying, like, we're going to win three games in a row.

Speaker 1 Yes. So open parlay, Celtics Wednesday to Celtics Friday.
Yes.

Speaker 5 Jalen Brown finals MVP.

Speaker 1 How do you take that off? It's for Sarah Bird MVP. Coming from all over the boss.
NBA Finals MVP. Jalen Brown.
Yeah. Where'd that come from? Stephen Shea.
Okay. I mean, Hank.

Speaker 1 I was going to say that you didn't come up with that. But he said it, and it's been ruminating in my brain all day.
You don't think Jason Tatum?

Speaker 5 It's good value, better value.

Speaker 12 Okay. Think about Andrew, you know? Jason Tatum's going to be a little bit more valuable.
It's like

Speaker 5 they're going to try and lock up Jason Tatum.

Speaker 1 But that only happens to Steph. Like, there was a narrative going after game three that Andrew Wiggins has been the best player in this Warriors Maverick series, and everyone's like,

Speaker 1 just because Steph is small doesn't mean we have to take away every MVP from him. Fact, like,

Speaker 1 it does feel like Steph is the only guy that everyone tries to find someone else on his team. Like, you know who really was important?

Speaker 1 No, Steph, because Steph gets all the attention and Steph draws everyone to him and everyone else eats around.

Speaker 2 Well, it's because he's too good. He's almost like a gimmick with how good he is.
Like, it seems like the style of basketball that he plays shouldn't even be possible. So

Speaker 2 it is like you're using a Game Genie and you're like, yeah, you got the high score on Game Genie, but I got the high score without using the cheat.

Speaker 1 Right. And Steph will go like six for 14 from three and everyone be like, ooh, what's wrong with him?

Speaker 2 Yeah, something's wrong with Steph Curry.

Speaker 1 I don't know. That's like 40%.

Speaker 2 But let's not forget that Jason Tatum wins the finals MVP.

Speaker 2 Then Billy has to go vegan.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 For how long? For a month. For a month and a half.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 1 He's going to cheat. So he has to do it.
If he cheats, he has to restart day one.

Speaker 2 Yep. Because

Speaker 12 there's tests you can can do for that.

Speaker 2 I'll just say that there is, and I'll say that he's lying after the first week, and it'll be a good test for confidence.

Speaker 1 Also, I don't think we're going to have to do a piss test. He's just going to text us all on Sunday being like, Felipe Chow?

Speaker 1 And we'll be like, yeah, Billy. And then he'll eat it.
And I'll be like, you're not vegan.

Speaker 2 So, Jake, Jake, where are you at? Because Hank's showing a lot of disrespect to you.

Speaker 2 You know what Hank's doing. Hank is the national media right now.

Speaker 2 Hank's gotten so big at his job here at Barcelona Sports that he is the face of the national media, forgetting about the heat, not showing heat culture any respect right now.

Speaker 2 Um, to your face, he said that it was going to be a two-game sweep.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, he did say five or six, so he's still alive in that

Speaker 1 consideration. The problem with this series is that every game is a blowout, so you walk away from like the blowout saying that team will never lose again, right?

Speaker 1 Like, after game three, I was like, the heat are way better, and then after game four, I was like, no, the Celtics are way better. So, it's, I just hope we get a good competitive game.

Speaker 1 Give us one good competitive game. Nah, game five will be streaming, Correct? Yep.

Speaker 12 So that was. From here, PMT YouTube.

Speaker 5 Yep. No nutsacks.

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 2 There was a sick crowd courtside, too. You see, Pitbull was there?

Speaker 1 Pitbull? Gucci Maine? Oh, yeah, it's Gucci Maine.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It was Gucci Maine was there.
Big Baby Davis.

Speaker 1 I get them confused.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Crushing popcorn.

Speaker 1 I saw there were some Arsenal players.

Speaker 1 The Pistons were there, which is weird.

Speaker 2 Do you guys know?

Speaker 5 I don't, I don't, you know, it was great talking to soccer. I learned a lot the other day, but

Speaker 5 I saw someone say he was disrespected because they showed a bunch of celebrities and they didn't show one of the soccer players.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's too bad. Damn.

Speaker 5 Don't know what any of it meant.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I don't. That one doesn't bother me.
Yeah. Whatsoever.

Speaker 2 Wait, what were we talking about right before then?

Speaker 1 There was something else about

Speaker 2 the jailblasters.

Speaker 1 The pistons. The pistons were there, which I actually, it's always, people always think it's weird when other players go to games like that, but I would.
If you're a fan of ball, you're a fan of ball.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, Big Baby Davis. Yeah.
You guys know what Big Baby Davis has been up to recently?

Speaker 1 Nothing. He's been getting in trouble, I think.

Speaker 2 He's been on probation, and he violated, because he defrauded the NBA out of a bunch of money meant for the players after they retire, like what Clinton Portis got caught for.

Speaker 2 But he violated his probation that game that he snuck into, and he took somebody else's seat, courtside.

Speaker 2 You remember that?

Speaker 2 When the cameras caught the usher, like asking him to move? Because he got on TV from that, his probation officer was like, wait a second.

Speaker 1 He's like a curb your enthusiasm.

Speaker 2 You're not allowed to be in Massachusetts right now.

Speaker 1 That's funny. So he got arrested for that.
It's a Hall of Fame

Speaker 1 cry guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Big Baby Davis.

Speaker 1 I feel like there was a stretch there with Kevin Garnett just looked at him.

Speaker 12 He would cry.

Speaker 1 Hall of Fame gif guy. Yeah, really.

Speaker 2 I would honestly go to jail if it meant that there was a gif of mine that would live on like well past my death. I think that's well worth it.
Yeah, the licking the lips.

Speaker 1 That is a good gift. All right, hockey.

Speaker 1 Jake.

Speaker 1 Is it good or bad to go to a strip club before your teammates bouncing? Never confirmed.

Speaker 1 Fully confirmed.

Speaker 1 The Panthers, if you if you didn't hear the panthers went full varsity blues tampa bay is a strip club city probably the number one strip club city in america um and so they all went to a strip club before they got bounced in the playoffs the most prolific offense in the history of the nhl scored three goals in a four-game series i mean the lightning are a wagon the lightning are like crazy they're legit They're starting to reach the point for me where I'm sick of them.

Speaker 1 Well, here's the.

Speaker 2 If they hadn't been so pathetic before they won their first Stanley Cup, I would already be sick of the Lightning.

Speaker 2 But because they bowed out so unceremoniously, first to the Capitals when Tom Wilson literally punched them out of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 And then the years following that where they were a big disappointment, if it hadn't been for that, I would already be sick of the Lightning.

Speaker 2 Right now, I'm still, I'm like reaching, I'm about to peak. on the lightning.
That's what's happening right now. I'm peaking on the lightning.

Speaker 1 Well, they're a good test of my theory that they're fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they're a good test of my theory that it doesn't, as long as you don't know anyone who's a big fan of that team, it can never bother you. Like, I don't know any Lightning fans.

Speaker 1 They could win every Stanley Cup. I would not be bothered.

Speaker 2 Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 Tom Brady's a Lightning fan. Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 Tom Brady just brought excellence with him down to Tampa Bay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to update that stat where he's basically every city he's lived in just wins trophies.

Speaker 2 San Francisco?

Speaker 1 San Francisco is Michigan.

Speaker 1 I think the Piston - no, the Red Wings won when he was there. And then obviously Boston and then Tampa Bay has had many trophies.

Speaker 2 I mean, the Rays got to the World Series. Yeah, they they did.

Speaker 1 That's the last win of the Panther season.

Speaker 11 It will be the Bikini game.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's nice, Jake.

Speaker 2 Thank you for reminding me about that.

Speaker 12 That's very nice.

Speaker 2 I know it as the Jake lost his phone game, but you got it back and then got a puck.

Speaker 11 And got a puck and gave it to you, and you threw it at an usher.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. That's true.

Speaker 2 I threw it in the direction, and the usher happened to be standing there. I did not throw it at the usher.
That's fair. But you also, let's put the context in this.
You came to the upper body.

Speaker 2 It didn't hit. It didn't hit the usher at all.
And it would have hit the lower body. Classic.
Oh, shut up, Hank.

Speaker 1 You were for Mac Jones. Kid throw.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Panthers. I mean, that was.
Don't win the presidents. Yeah, it was bad.

Speaker 11 But look, this is the first time they won a playoff series in 96 and 60.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's hang the banner.

Speaker 1 That's great. For them.
Yeah, no, that's great.

Speaker 1 Rare.

Speaker 1 Go catch. Yeah, go cats.
Time to hunt. Time to hunt.
Well, it's not time to hunt anymore.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's time. Time to go to sleep.
Time to gather.

Speaker 1 Time to golf. Time to go to the strip club.
I don't have a problem with that, honestly.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm not a strip club guy, but I know that hockey guys are a strip club guy. What is this laughing about? Like,

Speaker 2 have you ever known me to be a strip club guy ever? I don't understand the concept of strip clubs, why they're so fun.

Speaker 1 I am not a big strip club guy myself,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 I don't know either. We've talked about it before with Ryan and Titus.
There's always one strip club guy in the group.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the guys that's always Hank. The guy that's always pressed.

Speaker 12 We've been to a strip club in Tampa together.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we did.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow. Probably because Hank suggested it, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was like, let's go get some food.

Speaker 2 Like, there's something.

Speaker 1 The only place I know is strip club.

Speaker 2 There's something weird about the guy who's always like, hey, I want, hey, bros, you want to go look at naked chicks together? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he does it too early in the night, and you're like, all right, just chill out. Strip club? Should we, I'm thinking strip club? Yeah, maybe strip club.

Speaker 2 It's usually the guy that his wife holds him like right under her thumb the entire time. Yeah.
And the second he steps out of the house, he's like, boobs.

Speaker 1 And then you leave the strip club, he's like, hey, none of this gets out. It's like, we literally just went and wasted money staring at naked women.
Like, what are you talking about? This.

Speaker 1 We didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 The Avalanche versus the Blues.

Speaker 1 I was watching that game on Monday night, and one of the worst feelings in playoff hockey is what the Blues went through, where they were up one to nothing, and they had like three shots going into like the second period.

Speaker 1 And you just sit there and you're like, nope,

Speaker 1 this isn't sustainable. This is going to be a problem.
We're definitely going to lose this game. And then the avalanche avalanched them.

Speaker 1 And I think they scored three goals in like a minute and a half. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that was it. What's going to happen with this series is going into every round, you're going to see the odds on the avalanche and you'll be like, that's way, that's way too heavy.

Speaker 2 Like, there's no chance. Why would anybody bet on that? You're basically throwing your money away because you're only going to win like 10 bucks off a $100 bet or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 And then you're going to bet on the other team and you're going to lose all your money doing that. And then you're going to do it the next round and it's going to happen again.
Right.

Speaker 2 I'm just convinced at the Avalanche that this is their year. This is their year.
I feel like they're just.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, maybe the Lightning.

Speaker 2 Maybe, yeah, maybe the Lightning. That's going to be good finals.
This is going to. I'm looking ahead to that already.

Speaker 1 Lightning Kanes, though. If it's Lightning Kanes, then NHL, that's a tough, that's a tough conference final.

Speaker 2 Lightning Hurricanes.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Put on the weather channel, am I right? Damn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we should have Al Roker.

Speaker 2 Jim Kentori.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And the Avalanche.

Speaker 1 And the Flames. Yeah.
Or actually, it'd be better if it was the Oilers.

Speaker 1 One thing causes all the others. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's my style.
Libcat. No, Democat, remember? Democat, yeah.
Yeah, Democat.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Hank, hot seat, cool throne.

Speaker 2 Hot seat is society/slash my brain.

Speaker 5 It's kind of in a pretzel with this new invention that's come out.

Speaker 5 Don't really know what to do. I mean, I'm sure you guys remember listeners to the show back in 2016, I brought forward to the world the art of dipping your Oreos in water, essentially washing them.

Speaker 5 Tastes delicious, better than milk. If you haven't tried it, you should.

Speaker 1 All the weird things you do.

Speaker 5 People try to take that take from me, but it's definitely top two. The date goes back for sure.

Speaker 5 But then today, I don't know if you you guys saw this. There's a new cookie cracker sandwich invention that's half Oreo, Oreo filling, and the other half is Ritz.

Speaker 1 Okay. I don't know.

Speaker 5 And I don't know whether or not you're supposed to dip that.

Speaker 1 This is kind of rip it. This is kind of, this is like a chocolate-covered pretzel, is what they're going for, it seems like.

Speaker 5 That's why I kind of said my brain, like, I haven't, I need to try it because I can't really wrap my head around it.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it sounds like one.

Speaker 5 50% salty, 50% sweet, 100%

Speaker 5 with an emoji drooling.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing, these marketing bastards know exactly what they're doing because there's guys like me out there that will buy these new fucked-up novelty products once just to try it.

Speaker 2 So it could be like any new flavor of Doritos, I'm going to buy it once. Any new flavor of Gatorade, I'm going to buy that once.
Any new combo, I'm going to buy that once.

Speaker 2 This, any new Oreo, I will buy it once, and I always go back to the double stuff. Nothing will ever beat the double stuff.
Society peaked when we invented the double stuff.

Speaker 2 I don't care that they've taken a little bit of the stuffing out. I think what we have right now with that is just fine.

Speaker 2 But we keep trying to reinvent the wheel here when we have the best cookie ever right in front of our face.

Speaker 1 You know what it is, too? Is that you'll try it and then you will walk away being like, yeah, I miss Oreos and Ritz.

Speaker 2 That's probably what it's about. It's like, you know what?

Speaker 2 For every package of these that we sell, they're going to suck enough that somebody will go back and buy regular Oreos just because they want those instead.

Speaker 1 Right, right. So I guess I kind of see the salty, sweet thing.
I just like to do it the old-fashioned way and go back and forth, switching back and forth.

Speaker 2 Do you lick the cream off? I do not.

Speaker 1 I scrape it.

Speaker 2 Oh, with your teeth? Yeah. I don't like teeth.

Speaker 1 My cool throne

Speaker 5 is the city of Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Today the NFL announced that Indianapolis will host the NFL combine in both 2023 and 2024.

Speaker 5 Good. It seemed like it wasn't happening.
I know we talked about it on this show,

Speaker 5 but cooler heads have prevailed. I don't know if the coaches

Speaker 5 did a little silent uproar, but that seemed like something that the NFL would want to do in Dallas or in Vegas and really

Speaker 5 up the production value, up the events of it.

Speaker 1 But Cooler Heads have previously been to it. Indy's the best.
Indy's the best city for it.

Speaker 1 They should never move it from Indy. It's perfectly set up for it.
And

Speaker 1 coaches are creatures of habit.

Speaker 12 So we don't want to rock the boat.

Speaker 2 I think the NFL media, too, I think Peter King King probably wrote, he got on his Buzz Williams shit and just wrote Rodrigue a letter every single day once he floated this idea out there being like, don't move it from Indy.

Speaker 2 I like going to the same bar every single year, seeing the same people, having the same conversation, eating the same steak.

Speaker 2 They are creatures of habits.

Speaker 1 It's Groundhog's Day.

Speaker 2 They love doing that. And I think what Goodell did here, I think this was a smart move by him to like float out the idea of moving it.
And then to be like, guess what? We're not going to move it.

Speaker 2 We're coming back. And now all the NFL writers are like, great job, Rodell.

Speaker 1 It's like when he took away touchdown celebrations, then brought him back. Brought him back.
And he looks like a hero. The oldest trick in the book.

Speaker 1 And Indianapolis has the added bonus that you can stay somewhere and never leave. You can never have to go outside.
Yeah, it's my dream. Yeah, you can eat in the steakhouse in the hotel.

Speaker 1 You can walk in the concourse to the stadium, to the meetings, everything.

Speaker 2 That's a cool thing. What they'll probably do, though, because the whole idea of moving it out of indie was to get more money for the league.
Right.

Speaker 2 They'll probably just sponsor the fuck out of every event at the combine. So it'll be like the Oikos 40-yard dash and the Pepsi bench press.

Speaker 1 Right. And the, yeah, the

Speaker 1 Chevy Mike Silver drinks five bottles of wine at this steakhouse tonight.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Wonderlick presented by Bud Light.

Speaker 1 All right, PFT, your hot seat, cool drones.

Speaker 2 My hot seat is Rex Chapman.

Speaker 12 Ooh.

Speaker 2 Our favorite TNT. What was he on?

Speaker 12 CNN Plus.

Speaker 1 He had his own show for like a week.

Speaker 2 He killed CNN Plus. Blocker charge.
So it goes.

Speaker 2 He's on the hot seat because Twitter got rid of the tweet video feature. So you can't do the thing where you hold down on the video and then you just tweet the video out.

Speaker 2 You have to quote tweet the entire tweet now.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Press the video. He's saved.
He's saved.

Speaker 11 He's saved. And you hold down the video instead of just on your timeline.

Speaker 2 No, I do that. But you can't do it anymore.

Speaker 1 You have to click into it. The actual video.

Speaker 2 Oh, into the video.

Speaker 1 That's it. All right, so Rex Chapman is on the cool throne.
Slight extra step.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he'll be on the cool throne in two days once he listens to this podcast and then figures that out.

Speaker 2 But I have noticed that I went back, I don't actually follow him on Twitter, but I went back and checked his timeline to see how this new feature is affecting him.

Speaker 2 And he's doing quote tweets now, but then he's going back and retweeting his own tweets like four hours later to get the extra engagement. That's always a real smart thing to do.

Speaker 2 So I guess he's on the hot seat and the cool throne at the same time. I like it.

Speaker 2 My cool throne, I've got two. My first one is Alex Caruso.

Speaker 2 He's on the cool throne because he is the last man on earth to get arrested arrested for weed. He got arrested in college station by Texas A ⁇ M police officers.

Speaker 2 Texas A ⁇ M just tweeted out today a picture of their grow op that they have on campus. They're just growing weed on campus now and they're using it for like hemp and for I guess all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 Caruso saw that and he was like, what the fuck? Like,

Speaker 2 you guys arrested me a year ago for having a grinder and now you've got an entire wing of a new building dedicated to growing marijuana. So free Caruso.
Yes.

Speaker 2 I I think we need to say as a podcast that, like, they need to expunge his record. They, I want a public apology to Alex Caruso for arresting him for having a grand joke.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give it a Jimbo to give him a public apology while high.

Speaker 2 This is what that would be a great idea. But if Nick Saber was smart, he would be talking about this and not about the paying players.

Speaker 2 He'd be like, listen, you can go to college station, but they'll arrest you if you have a joint.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and while growing weed in their backyard.

Speaker 2 While growing weed in their backyard. Bullshit.
So Free Caruso. Also, my cool throne is Mac Jones.
Oh, that was mine. You want to take it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure. He's got...
He's jacked. He's already best shape of his life.
Yes. Which,

Speaker 1 is that good, though? Year two? Because you can't go better than best shape of your life.

Speaker 12 No, you can get better. You can maintain.

Speaker 1 No, but you'll be in the best shape. You can get better shape.

Speaker 12 No, no, actually, no, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 5 You could have the best season of your life, and then the next season have a better season.

Speaker 12 But you have becomes the best season of your life.

Speaker 1 But you have one off-season to come into the season, best shape in your life. Disagree.
I think that's how it works. I mean, it's good that he's best shape in his life.

Speaker 1 His stomach is no more, is what was said.

Speaker 2 How are his eyes?

Speaker 1 Six-pack summer.

Speaker 1 Still red, sleeping.

Speaker 5 Six-pack summer. Me and Mac.

Speaker 1 Are you ready to unveil?

Speaker 1 In the summer, I will be. Okay.
I'm getting it.

Speaker 2 Has he been working on his posture from that, Patricia? That's what I'm working on.

Speaker 2 Hank, have you been following what's going on with the offensive side of the ball?

Speaker 5 Are you talking about the coaching staff? Bill said that he has no concerns with the coaching staff, so I don't either.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he said there's an open competition to see who's going to be the offensive coordinator. That's good.

Speaker 1 Competition breeds greatness.

Speaker 2 I've never heard that.

Speaker 14 It's training camp for coaches, too.

Speaker 2 It would be good to have competition, but the two people competing are Joe Judge and Matt Patricia to be offensive coordinator, neither of whom.

Speaker 1 Matt Patricia, offensive coordinator?

Speaker 2 Yes, offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 And Joe Judge, offensive coordinator.

Speaker 12 He was an offensive guy, no?

Speaker 1 Matt Patricia? Joe Judge.

Speaker 5 Yeah, pretty much offenses. Close enough.

Speaker 1 Adjacent.

Speaker 2 They have the ball in their hand for part of the plays.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Fake punts.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's...

Speaker 5 I would say it's alarming if Belichick said he wasn't concerned.

Speaker 12 What do you think? Otherwise, I would be like, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 Do you think Belichick would be like, hey,

Speaker 2 listen,

Speaker 2 I'm worried about our offense this year? You think he'd ever say that?

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's a pretty honest guy with the media.

Speaker 1 I did like that he was wearing a Celtics hat. I love when coaches...
of other teams do that.

Speaker 5 And all the Red Sox players are like going to and from the bus with like Celtics jerseys on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is funny whenever

Speaker 1 it's Nick Siriani's wet dream. He's like, damn, I wish the Sixers were in the conference final.
I could do that. All right, my hot seat, so that was my cool drill.
My hot seat

Speaker 1 is balloons in Nebraska. So they are done with the red balloon tradition.
Helium shortage is what they're claiming now.

Speaker 1 So it's been a tradition since the 1960s that in a Nebraska home game in football, everyone brings a red balloon. They score their first offensive touchdown.
They all release it.

Speaker 1 Now, Trev Alberts, the AD, famously known as giving Scott Foster too many years, he has said that it's no more, no more helium shortage in the world. I guess we get a lot of our helium from Russia.

Speaker 1 Didn't know that. And no more balloons.

Speaker 2 I thought it was like a 99 red balloon situation where they don't want to start a nuclear war.

Speaker 2 I can't release them anymore. Yeah, it's,

Speaker 1 I hope they keep doing it. I think they will keep doing it.
I think they tried to stop this a few years ago, and then fans just brought their own balloons because

Speaker 1 there's not that big of a helium shortage but it is funny for them to have like a

Speaker 1 presser and be like yeah no more red balloons helium shortage think of the turtles also don't the the balloons just land in the ocean kill turtles a guy did try to sue them uh in i think it was like four or five years ago being like the balloons land and then it's just waste like yeah we know yeah that's what happened but right but do they really though but they also you need it for the touchdown do they really land i don't think so i don't think they do i think they go forever i think you you release a balloon and then at that point you're just like, that's someone else's problem.

Speaker 1 That's God's problem, right? And it's someone like two counties over's problem.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I always assumed that it would just like go into the ocean somewhere, maybe go to the North Pole.

Speaker 1 It would be funny if there was one guy in Nebraska, like, and the wind always went a certain direction.

Speaker 1 He's like, Yeah, my farm has been ruined because every time they have a prolific offense, I just have balloons popped on my yard.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, that wouldn't be like, he'd probably be pretty happy since like the 80s.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's been,

Speaker 1 I think maybe that's why they're doing that they're like we just really don't want to be embarrassed when we don't score until the second half well there's nothing more sad than going to a nebraska game and then going home with your balloon yes yes they're probably just trying to limit that yeah but either way that's a that's a stupid thing to stop Traditions are fun in college football.

Speaker 1 That's what makes college football college football is the traditions.

Speaker 2 I also think that any tradition, if you do the math and you really calculate, okay, how much harm does this do to the environment, almost every tradition sucks for the environment. But guess what?

Speaker 2 We need some traditions.

Speaker 1 We need need something to look forward to. Yeah.
Jake, wrap us up with hot seat, cool throw, and then we'll get to George and Greg.

Speaker 11 My hot seat's the Arizona Cardinals. They've been selected for the in-season hard knocks edition.

Speaker 11 I mean, look, there's two ways to think of this. One, it's in the middle of college football, the World Cup, feast week, and the NFL season.
So I don't know how many people are going to run to that.

Speaker 11 And B, it gives you an opportunity to...

Speaker 1 Tweet at Kyler. Yeah, I mean, it's going to be fun to watch the...

Speaker 1 They probably have the best story arc of any team because the beginning of this, the, uh, hard knocks will be all cheery and awesome, and then everything will fall apart, and it will be fun to watch.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Kyler Murray might not even be on the team at that point.

Speaker 1 That's true. I don't know.
Right.

Speaker 2 I'm looking forward to seeing, like, how Kyler.

Speaker 2 I'm looking, I want to see Kyler when he knows he's on camera and see if he acts any differently than I've seen him in the past, where, like, he just, he seems like he just doesn't care about, like, a lot.

Speaker 2 That's just like his, his normal personality is just kind of there. Right.
I'm curious to see if he like hams it up for the cameras at all. If he tries to, well, oh, J.J.
Watt. Yes.

Speaker 2 He's going to be there. I saw he tweeted out yesterday that he needs to bring back the Fort Miner.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 That would be great. If they're smart, they would have if

Speaker 1 he did that.

Speaker 11 Ken Kingsbury's house.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's good.
That's true. Maybe it's not really a hot seat, but.
Okay. And your cool throne.
My cool throne is Mike White. Yes.

Speaker 11 Today, reminder was set. I have the clip from the November 5th podcast.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Remember Mike White Day.

Speaker 2 I mean, the big winner of tonight for the Jets has got to be Mike White, though.

Speaker 1 Yes. Because he looked decent.
He took our first couple drives that he was in.

Speaker 1 Everything we said, we said, when you're a backup quarterback in the NFL, the best thing you can do is have an awesome game and then immediately get injured and secure your status as an NFL quarterback for 10 years.

Speaker 1 Mike White,

Speaker 1 I'll remember Mike White. Mike White put in a reminder, don't forget about Mike White,

Speaker 1 May 24th. He's going to

Speaker 4 the Thursday night game where he got hurt.

Speaker 1 That's beautiful. Yeah.
We remember Mike White. May 24th.
Here we are. He does suck.
No, I didn't. He was great that one game, then he got hurt.

Speaker 1 I'm on the pod. Come on the pod.
I'm on the pod. Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 I don't think that Mike White is good enough to suck.

Speaker 1 That was enthusiastic.

Speaker 2 I think that he's just like, he's just Mike White.

Speaker 1 Mike White. Let me see.

Speaker 1 What were his stats after that? Because didn't he come back in and then suck? Didn't they beat the Bengals?

Speaker 1 Mike White.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 that was the beginning of the Mike White.

Speaker 1 Five touchdowns, eight interceptions.

Speaker 2 I'm going through his timeline right now. Oh, March 25th was Mike White's birthday.
The Jets tweeted out, Uber Eats says, happy birthday, Mike White.

Speaker 1 Nice. So, yeah, remember

Speaker 1 he screwed up because he got hurt in that indie game where he played well, but then he came back the next week and threw four interceptions against the Bills.

Speaker 1 That's what happened.

Speaker 7 But we remember him.

Speaker 1 We do remember him. We remember that he stinks.

Speaker 1 He's AWO. I'm pretty sure he is.
Mike White, come on the show. I'll say it to your face.
That's fine. I like Mike White.
I hope you think he's an AWL.

Speaker 11 I have a friend who's friends with him.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow, wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where'd that connection come from?

Speaker 1 What school did Mike White go to?

Speaker 11 Well, he graduated Western Talkie, but I believe he started at USF. My friend went to USF.

Speaker 1 Got it. Yeah.
All right. All right.
Fine. You can talk me back into Mike White.
All right.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go to our good friends

Speaker 1 George Kittle and Greg Olson. And then on the other side, we have Bono's Ball with Bo Polini.
Questions from the AWLs with Bo Polini in studio.

Speaker 2 OG guest. OG guest.

Speaker 1 Fuck. You guys probably talked about that, didn't you? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we did.

Speaker 5 I realized that after I said that. No, I realized that after I said that.

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Speaker 1 Three, two, one.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on. Did you just steal my clap, George?

Speaker 2 I think you saying three, two, one in the clap, it's an indication that everybody should clap.

Speaker 1 But George stole my clap.

Speaker 10 No, no, that's what I do on my podcast.

Speaker 1 We all clap. Okay, you have a podcast.
Oh, okay. All right.
So

Speaker 1 I've invited you both, too.

Speaker 9 We want to talk about it. If you you guys want to talk about it, we can talk about all of our podcasts.

Speaker 1 That'd be great. That's me.

Speaker 2 This entire interview is just like, let's talk about what you guys talk about in your podcast.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, and Greg, we know you have a podcast because you stole Mikey Podcast from us.

Speaker 6 Correct. Right.

Speaker 1 We just talked about it. Yeah.
We just talk about it. So it's Craig Olson and George Kittle.
It's going to get confusing because we do call George Greg.

Speaker 1 They're on. They have tight end you coming up again,

Speaker 1 which is getting tight ends the recognition they deserve, which we can get into this, but I think you guys have too much recognition at this point. But I wanted to start with a softball.

Speaker 1 I have a softball for both of you. Who wants to go first? All right.

Speaker 9 Kittle.

Speaker 1 All right. George, your softball is,

Speaker 1 when do you think Tom Brady will take Greg's job as the number one guy in the booth?

Speaker 10 It's a great question. No, I don't know.

Speaker 10 Greg kind of has this tenacity to him. I don't know if he's going to let anyone take his job.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 10 But it is Tom Brady, and there are six Super Bowls attached to that, so that's kind of also.

Speaker 1 Yep. Wait, is it

Speaker 1 seven? Is it seven? I think he's seven. Is it seven? I think he has seven.

Speaker 1 Too many Super Bowls.

Speaker 9 If he gets eight, I'm fucked.

Speaker 1 You're fucked. All right.
So, Greg, my question for you, which was a softball, is Trey Lance or Jimmy G, who's starting for the 49ers week one?

Speaker 9 Oh, I'm saying Trey Lance. Okay.

Speaker 1 And Greg, if for people who are listening, not watching, he's nodding with approval right now.

Speaker 1 Am I?

Speaker 9 Yeah. And by Greg, they mean George.

Speaker 1 So who's on first?

Speaker 2 I have no idea what's going on. Greg, are you going to mentor Tom Brady in the booth and train him on how to take your job?

Speaker 9 Yeah, that's actually been a big part of the negotiations. Tom, no, I'm kidding.

Speaker 9 No, I have nothing to do. When I heard about the Brady news, I heard about it the same way everybody else did.

Speaker 9 Hopefully.

Speaker 9 things can you know things are working out we're we're talking to them now we're we're in discussions about you know what that looks like between now and whenever that day he retires of hopefully calling a Super Bowl and calling their A slate this year.

Speaker 9 So hopefully that works out. We're talking to them right now.
But anytime you find yourself in a battle with Tom Brady,

Speaker 9 I think it's pretty clear who wins.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 1 I mean, you did a great job, you know, your first year broadcasting this year, and it's going to be great to hear you on those premiere games on Sunday afternoons.

Speaker 1 I would have to imagine there's a little small part of you that's like, oh, this kind of sucks. But if there's one guy in the world who you can't really be mad, it's the guy with seven Super Bowls.

Speaker 9 Yeah, if they would have hired someone, you know, all along, like, you know, we thought we were in the mix and we had good dialogue.

Speaker 9 And, you know, obviously they weren't going to tell us exactly what was going on behind the scenes.

Speaker 9 And, you know, we had heard the same rumors everybody else did and we were trying to make sense of it all. And then when the news came, it was like you just said, I was, if it was someone.

Speaker 9 else like if i got jumped by someone else i would like wanted to burn yeah sure i would have wanted to like burn the city to the ground right i would would have been pissed and whatever.

Speaker 9 But like when you lose out to Tom Brady, it's like this sucks. At least he doesn't take the job now.
Maybe I can have my time in the sun and like keep his seat warm until he gets there.

Speaker 9 But yeah, if you're going to lose, at least lose to him, right? I mean, that I can at least live with, I got beat out. The only person in the world who beat me out was Tom Brady.
I can live with that.

Speaker 2 I think you got a root for him to not win a Super Bowl this year because if he wins, I think that's when he does retire. But if he doesn't win one this year, then it's like, oh, shit,

Speaker 2 he has to come back next year.

Speaker 9 I personally think his career doesn't really, you know, I think you can't really make a judgment on his career until he has eight Super Bowls. So I think

Speaker 9 if he really wanted to achieve something, he should just continue to play and see if he can win another ring. You know, Arians is gone.
Win one for Todd Bowles.

Speaker 9 I think it's only fair that he wins one for the next guy. And if it doesn't happen this year, hopefully it's within the next 10.

Speaker 2 George, I was just admiring, as Greg was talking, your ability to tie your hair up into that sick little top knot that you have.

Speaker 2 You were doing like some intricate hand position, it took you about like 45 seconds to do that. I don't know how that's done.

Speaker 2 I've had long hair for like 10 years, I still don't know how to do what you just did.

Speaker 10 Uh, my wife taught me.

Speaker 12 Oh, well, she did a hell of a job.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like you're doing origami with your hair. What thank you, I really appreciate that.
What's the new tattoo? I just saw it on your hand.

Speaker 10 Yeah, oh, it's it's Hobbes from Calvin and Hobbes Comics. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Is that real? Yeah,

Speaker 1 there's nothing better than getting a new tattoo and having someone ask, is that real?

Speaker 9 That's amazing. Dude, that's sick.

Speaker 6 No, I know.

Speaker 10 All my teammates were like, is that a henna tattoo? I was like, nah, it's not really my thing. I did get on Sunday before I flew back, though.
It was nice. I love that.

Speaker 2 I feel like kids these days, they don't know about Calvin and Hobbes. It's one of the all-time greats.

Speaker 10 You need to get, yeah, they need to get on that. You'll learn something, maybe a thing or two.

Speaker 9 Hey, was that last year that we made, that you showed us your ass tattoo?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 6 It was. Yeah.
That's what I thought.

Speaker 6 You never showed your ass, though. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I don't have an ass tattoo. I have nothing to show.
I got some hair. That's about it.

Speaker 1 He's got a third leg.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I've heard about that third leg.

Speaker 1 Actually,

Speaker 2 at TEU, you know what you should do? You should just sneak up behind him and then rip the back of his jeans off and expose it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's talk about it. Yes.

Speaker 9 What are you doing?

Speaker 2 It's fun.

Speaker 1 What's happening? I mean, Billy, you can chime in anytime you want here. Wait, is Billy here? Yeah, he's here.
What's up, I'm off here. Billy, what's up, dude? How are we doing?

Speaker 10 Dude, I've seen your legs a lot recently

Speaker 2 on the internet.

Speaker 15 So it kind of all started where I've been taking my jeans to a laundromat, and they're getting like pretty beat up, and they've been ripping when I've been sitting down.

Speaker 15 So I had some like tinfoil ass jeans, and there's been a like a trend going around where people ripping each other's pants. I was like, we should do that, and we did.
And it became a problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a problem now. So it started as it actually was like a TikTok,

Speaker 1 viral TikTok of, I don't know, two weeks ago. We were out in Vegas and Billy was like, hey, this is a viral TikTok.
Basically, PFT and I,

Speaker 1 every day, we just sit in our office, in the office, and Billy comes up and he's like, hey, I need you to do this TikTok. And we don't even know where they go.

Speaker 1 He just like films us and then they just go out on the internet. So when he says, hey, I need you to rip the jeans off of my ass, I'm like, all right, fine.
So I did it.

Speaker 1 Then we came back and now it's become, we did it again. PFT did it to him.
But now it's like real. Like, now people are in the office are trying to rip the jeans off each other's asses.

Speaker 1 I got willing to do it.

Speaker 9 I saw someone, yeah, I saw, was it PFT who tried to rip someone else, and then he got like counter-moved, like, reverse two points? Yeah, he got taken down, and your pants got ripped off.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I mean, I saw that.

Speaker 2 I tried to rip Billy's ass off, and then Billy defended against me because he was wearing mugsy jeans, which don't rip, they stretch.

Speaker 2 And then he just pushed me off, and then he landed on me and ripped the back of my pants off. I wasn't wearing underwear at the time, and my balls just flopped out from behind.

Speaker 1 Big balls.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're like normal-sized balls.

Speaker 1 You can see, well,

Speaker 1 you can judge for yourself on TikTok if you go follow apart in my tank. Well, you can't go look.
Because Billy uploaded. I might go look.

Speaker 2 I saw the video, Billy showed it to me, and I was like, that's a funny video. Like, objectively speaking, male nudity usually plays.

Speaker 2 I didn't know that my balls popped out because I didn't watch it in slow-mo.

Speaker 2 Billy uploaded to TikTok, and then I watched it in slow-mo, and i was like that's just my nutsack you can very it flops backward it's very funny to see like it pops up like a like a carp coming to the top of a lake and then drops immediately back down and i was like billy please delete that from tick tock he deleted it uh but then some people screen grabbed it pretty quickly so the one that's on tick tock now is censored but the original uncut there was there's balls but i'm of the mindset that like balls are always funny yeah i think balls are what they are right yeah yeah no they're very funny

Speaker 9 just Just looking. I'm glad we got to the bottom of that.
I was waiting. I was looking forward to this for no other reason than I was trying to wrap my head around what was happening.

Speaker 10 Wouldn't like a good defense system just be like cut the pockets off your jeans?

Speaker 2 That's probably the next thing up. But that's what you think.

Speaker 1 That would definitely make it more. Like if you start a rip,

Speaker 1 it would be very easy to rip it.

Speaker 10 But if you just cut the pocket out, then there's nothing to grab.

Speaker 1 I think it's just assless chaps. You've got to wear assless chaps everywhere.

Speaker 2 I hate it. That also becomes like a challenge if you cut the back pockets off entirely.
It's like daring other people like, you can't rip these jeans. Even God himself could not rip them.

Speaker 2 I think that like we go through these types of scenarios as a podcast a lot where like four years ago we got really into sack tapping each other and then you go too far.

Speaker 2 You're walking around in fear all the time. I hit big cat so hard that I thought that he would never have kids.

Speaker 2 Fact check false.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then

Speaker 2 we just realized, okay, we've gone too far. We need to stop.

Speaker 1 I think we've reached the point where we've been too far because billy got will compton and just like tore a leg off of his pants right that was awesome i think i know but will deserves that yeah he does but no pd he's a nebraska guy yeah he deserves that you're absolutely right but pft is right like the barstool here our office is already crazy enough when you add the element of like will i have my pants ripped off my body at any moment it becomes very tough to just live day to day

Speaker 1 It's like walking around a locker room. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 But if you guys back when you back when you were allowed to towel snap somebody like in high school, you know, like when you were a freshman, they're not allowed to do that anymore.

Speaker 9 I think you get like kicked out of school.

Speaker 9 But like when we were still, like when we were growing up, like the young kids would walk around in fear going to the shower because the older seniors would like, you know, make a towel snake and like snap them in the ass.

Speaker 9 It's like, I get it. I've been there.

Speaker 2 I think if you guys are looking for something to be instantly viral for TEU, a video of that would be very funny. Like you just absolutely pants in Johnny Smith or something like that.

Speaker 9 We just go around and just pull each other's Levi's off.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was a sponsor.

Speaker 9 They're a sponsor. Nice plug.
That was a good plug.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is.

Speaker 1 So I said it at the beginning, but do you guys think, like, I know that when you started TEU, it was like, hey, tight ends, you know, all of us getting together,

Speaker 1 teaching each other stuff, like it's a brotherhood. But I feel like tight ends get more respect than any other position at this point.

Speaker 1 It's become the position in the NFL where it's like, if you don't have a great tight end, you're in trouble.

Speaker 10 Well, yes and no. I I mean, I definitely think it's, there's more respect coming our way.

Speaker 10 But if you look at like the last or ever, how many Super Bowl winning teams, every team has had like a really, really talented tight end on their team.

Speaker 9 To George's point, you know, I think part of the evolution of the position has kind of, and what was cool is, you know, when I came in the league, there was a handful of guys, right?

Speaker 9 There was Gates and there was Witten and there was Gonzalez. And, you know, there was a handful of guys.

Speaker 9 And then every, you know, everybody else was just kind of run of the mill, you know, give or take.

Speaker 9 And now, to George's point, almost every prominent team, prominent offense, playoff contender, Super Bowl contender, has a legit dude at the position.

Speaker 9 I think you can see it now in how they're getting paid. I think you can see it now in their production.
I mean, you look at George, you look at Kelsey, you look around the league, Mark Andrews.

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 9 Darren Waller, I mean, the production that these guys are having when I first came in the league, if you wanted to be a top 10 tight end in the league, if you had five, 600 yards, you would be in the top 10.

Speaker 9 Now, you get 500, 600 yards, like you're an afterthought. You're a guy that doesn't really really get, it's just a completely different world.

Speaker 9 And I think it's a credit to more people want to play the position because it is a little bit more highly thought of. It's a little more acclaimed.

Speaker 9 You know, in years past, these bigger guys would go play defense or they'd, you know, get smaller and go play wide receiver. Now guys, they grow up wanting to play tight end.

Speaker 9 And I think we're getting better athletes to play the position. And as a result, more and more guys are entering the league that are capable of doing it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you've got, I feel like National Tight End Day over the last couple of years, it's kind of like, it's become a look at me thing for you guys Whereas before it was like tight ends gritty position almost like the the flashier nephew of the fullback now.

Speaker 2 It's like you got your own holiday like a lot of people are saying like it's it's become a little too showy.

Speaker 9 Are you saying that we sold out?

Speaker 2 I'm not saying that

Speaker 2 other people are telling you some would say that Let's just say, hypothetically, if Billy said that to you guys, what would you say?

Speaker 10 I took his pants off.

Speaker 1 But it's

Speaker 1 who's getting snubbed this year? Because I know that that's like, who's coming to the tight end you? Because I thought that last year, was there a couple guys who were a little

Speaker 1 hurt that they didn't get the invite? Tebow. Tebo, yeah.
Tebo

Speaker 10 probably. I mean, I think we're not going to lie.
Last year, we totally underbooked. We did not think that we would get as many guys down.

Speaker 10 I think when me and Greg and Travis first talked about it, our goal was like 20 to 25. And it was like, we're going to have some fun with it.
And then next thing we know, we're at 40.

Speaker 10 And then come like the first day, we're at 49, 50 guys and yeah we definitely had to turn some guys away and uh that's the whole point of this here is we're trying to make it open to almost everybody and what weekend is that

Speaker 1 june 22nd 23rd and 24th okay very cool why don't you guys come is there a chance you guys make it down there this so billy's gonna try to get an invite and i don't think we trust him to go by himself um that's the the barstall idol week is that week so it we gotta

Speaker 1 next like you gotta tell us when it is next year and we'll make sure that we have it completely blocked off. Love that.
Like, I'm in.

Speaker 1 But it just so happens, yeah, Billy is, Billy's been, like,

Speaker 1 he's trying to get an invite, but I don't know. We got to see how he.
I was so well behaved in Vegas. We got to see how well he's acting.

Speaker 1 Because, Billy, you guys could maybe help us with this because you guys have been in the league for a long time. And

Speaker 1 you ever have a teammate who...

Speaker 1 After a good game, you can just tell maybe their effort isn't the same in practice next week. They kind kind of sit back a little and they're like, I fucking rocked.
I'm the man.

Speaker 1 I don't have to do this anymore. We deal with that a little times.
Yeah, like Billy has actually been doing a great job. All compliments to Billy.

Speaker 1 But every time I do give him a compliment, we usually have like a four to five day, Billy's going to go get drunk and we won't hear from him.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 10 I'm not going to make you not do that, Billy. That kind of sounds like a fun invite.

Speaker 2 This is what we're afraid of.

Speaker 1 Yes. So, like,

Speaker 9 some guys want to rest on their laurels. laurels Some guys think they've arrived some guys have the number one show on on the internet and they just keep banging away every week and grinding it.

Speaker 9 There's two different types of people and You know if Billy can't handle the success

Speaker 9 That's gonna be a problem.

Speaker 2 How about this? What we should do is we should sit we should say that we will send Billy But we'll keep like we'll put a chart up on the wall and he gets a sticker for every good day that he has here.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's like a buckeye.

Speaker 9 Yeah, exactly like a helmet sticker on the wall and he has to collect a certain amount of those to be able to go and he won't know until like the last week whether or not he'll my kids collect emojis it's what we do with my kids big cat you can steal this idea when your kids get older um you we do emojis and we keep track of it in our notes section so every single time they do something like above and beyond what they're expected to do like be nice to their sister or you know whatever they're they're supposed to do and they go above and beyond they get an emoji and they could pick it whatever emoji they want and sometimes they pick funny ones and they don't even know it

Speaker 9 like there's like five eggplants in my wife's note section i'm

Speaker 9 awesome but um and then they can cash them in for like prizes or a new whatever like they can cash them in it's almost like fake money kind of thing for deeds so that's parenting 101 and also a very good idea by uh

Speaker 9 by you guys

Speaker 1 good good call that's genius yeah we gotta we gotta do the emojis so we're gonna we're gonna keep track of billy's emojis if he gets like i don't know let's say 15 emojis by the time it comes around maybe we'll send him but he has been doing a lot better.

Speaker 1 It's just one of those situations that, like, there's a world where Billy was well-behaved in Vegas just so that he could go to tight end you. Like, he, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So we got to be, we just got to be aware of everything with Billy. He's he's always scheming.
So there's a good chance he'll get there. He's got to earn it.

Speaker 15 Just wondering, did you guys see my write-up on tight end you from last year?

Speaker 9 We saw it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 15 I mean, I just think I'd be a very good.

Speaker 9 I didn't love it.

Speaker 1 I know. I know.

Speaker 12 Even better.

Speaker 15 I mean, I just, it was all I saw, so if I was there, I'd probably be able to get a better

Speaker 2 coaching points. Yeah, get a better.

Speaker 9 Yeah, all I know is if you do come this year, you better, you got to be better, Nat. I thought your article last year was shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 15 I mean, did you see the, do you know the title of the article?

Speaker 9 I blocked it out from my brain.

Speaker 15 Tight end university, a party school.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Wow.
Okay. So you're not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 10 You're putting labels on us, bro.

Speaker 15 I didn't see the work from the social media output. I saw yoga no and shotgunning beers in bathtubs uh the shotgunning beer uh just so you want to

Speaker 9 yeah the shotgunning beers some you know all this does take a lot of money just for the record so yeah we there is some stuff that we have to do to pay the bills because when guys come in and we and george throws them a great party in his hometown of nashville shit ain't free so uh we are very fortunate that we have great partners We've already gotten two of them in very organically, and now I'm going to throw in the third one, not quite as organic, but Charmin, you can see it on george's shirt they are a presumptive sponsor and if you don't get it guys they take care of your tight end

Speaker 9 i was gonna say because you guys have gotten baby shit soft uh-huh yeah it goes both ways i'd say it goes both ways i think it can depend on which angle you're coming to it from oh um

Speaker 9 but uh all that all the sponsors are what makes all this possible you know to host 75 to 100 guys this year and put everybody up in nashville and bust them around and host events and you know rent rent vanderbilt and all that.

Speaker 9 We're fortunate that we have great partners and we get to throw what we think is of all these positions that host these events, ours is the best.

Speaker 9 And a big part of that is because we can treat our guys really well because of our partnership dollars. And then everything we don't spend goes to charity.
So

Speaker 9 it's a win-win for everybody.

Speaker 2 I'll say something nice about tight ends. I think that you have the coolest people playing the position in the NFL right now.

Speaker 2 If you look around, like per capita, tight ends, those are mostly guys that I would want to hang out with.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think that's that's right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 we actually do want to come next year. We will absolutely make a trip of it and just interview all the tight ends.

Speaker 1 I have a question for you, Greg, because you're retired, so you can speak on this more.

Speaker 1 Would you ever have a situation

Speaker 1 when you were playing that maybe like a star player

Speaker 1 wanted a new contract or wanted to be traded? How did you deal with that?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, there was times where I wanted a new contract. You know, I never demanded that a team trade in me, but I, I'm all for that shit.

Speaker 9 I think everybody should be able to get their money, get what they're paid. And I think, and last year, people got crazy when I made that comment.

Speaker 9 I was actually on here talking about TEU and I made the comment about tight ends don't get paid enough. And people like brought up my contract earnings that I was complaining.

Speaker 9 Making money in the NFL is not, yes, the money is important and all that. It's about respect amongst your peers.

Speaker 9 Like when everybody's chasing that next contract, all they're asking is that they get paid accordingly based on their production, their value to the team, and in accordance with other players at their position.

Speaker 9 So when George is up for a new contract, it's not that 10 million isn't enough or that 5 million isn't enough.

Speaker 9 If the top tight ends make 16, he should make that just because he's amongst the top players, if not the best at the position, him and Travis and whatnot. So like it's kind of a pride thing.

Speaker 9 And then everyone just uses the money as the scale.

Speaker 9 So yeah, when a star guy wants a new contract, like if he's deserving and his play and his history on the field is in accordance with someone else at a higher level of income, I think that guy should make all the money he can.

Speaker 2 And how would you act if you like removed all mentions of your team from social media, like took him out of the bio, all that type of stuff?

Speaker 9 I probably would offer a pay cut.

Speaker 9 Like the type of guy that I am, I'd probably go to management and offer some of my salary to make this hypothetical player happier.

Speaker 1 Well, he's well, hypothetical, let's just go farther. Hypothetical, he's an elite wide receiver who also runs the ball.
Let's just pretend that's who we're talking about.

Speaker 9 Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think that's, yeah.
And again, whether that's a real person or not, I think just for argument's sake, it's a good comparison. Yeah.
It's a good talking point.

Speaker 9 You know, I think if you say you're on the same side of the ball, or you're on the same side of the ball, just to further the conversation even deeper,

Speaker 9 I think it's what you're obligated to do, especially if you happen to have a young quarterback potentially coming into the role.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 But some guys are just built different than others.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And as a tight end, that would be on that side. It's like you're responsible and you take a lot of pride in your blocking.

Speaker 2 So a lot of those holes that are opening up are also because of the work that you're putting in on there.

Speaker 2 So how do you weigh, okay, I deserve this much money, which I may have just been paid on new contract, versus how much do I want to pay to my teammate to keep him around?

Speaker 1 Right. Give up crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 This is a great hypothetical voice. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, it's just

Speaker 1 using your imagination. Yeah.
But I like the idea that, like, if you're a really good teammate and a really good, you know, you're a tight end brotherhood,

Speaker 1 you should give up some of your money for this other guy.

Speaker 10 Even though he's not a tight end?

Speaker 1 No, right. But that's especially because he's not a tight end.

Speaker 2 He kind of plays like a tight end.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we bridge the gap between positions. Olive bridge.

Speaker 2 Like Hank, for example, gave up. a lot of his salary to keep us happy here.

Speaker 2 So we, you know, we think of ourselves as more than a team, really a family.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 10 Is Hank there too?

Speaker 1 No, he's our boss now. He's upstairs.

Speaker 2 He's closing deals. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not. You're laughing.
He's wearing a suit. He literally comes in every day.
He commutes.

Speaker 1 He's like, you know, like, think of like the most quintessential New York scene, hustle and bustle, a bunch of suits walking down the street. Hank is just one of those guys in the rat race.

Speaker 1 That's what he does every day.

Speaker 2 He's got a Bluetooth earpiece now, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
I have one last question for you guys. Tight end you coming up.
We're going to be there next year. I'm putting a guarantee on this, okay? We're going to be there next year.

Speaker 1 We just need the dates beforehand. We'll come.
We'll even teach a class. You want us to teach a class? How about we'll teach a class on what

Speaker 1 to say and not say about Debo Samuel's contract situation on a podcast, okay?

Speaker 10 Do you have any tips right now? What would you say?

Speaker 1 I would say, what would you say? I would say, I love Debo so much, I'll play for free so he can be on my team. Okay.
You would say that?

Speaker 2 I would personally say, I love Debo so much, wherever he goes, I go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd play in the NFL right now for free.

Speaker 9 How come you guys didn't didn't give up any money for the Caller Daddy girls to stay at Barcelona?

Speaker 1 Oh, we did. We did.
We actually

Speaker 9 gave up your money.

Speaker 1 More than money. All of it.
Our soul is died.

Speaker 1 They own

Speaker 1 Sophia with an F owns pardon my take.

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Speaker 1 All right, yeah. Sorry about that.
Back to you guys.

Speaker 2 actually, Hank, the truth is, Hank fired him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hank fired. He's just cutting everyone over here.

Speaker 1 Actually, be careful, Greg, because Hank has enough power now that he'll cut your podcast, even though you don't even work for us.

Speaker 9 I don't love that. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Big hat, does your kid play any youth sports that you want to be a guest?

Speaker 1 He's two and a half. We played soccer last summer, and he just chased pigeons around.

Speaker 9 Can he use both feet?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 he just picks the ball up, and then.

Speaker 1 So he's the goalie. You know what it was? The problem was there was this one kid who would always come late and

Speaker 1 the kid's mom would bring fruit snacks. So like the kid would show up.
My son would be like kind of in it for, you know, it's fucking two-year-old soccer, whatever.

Speaker 1 He'd be like kind of like following along for like 10 minutes. Then this kid would come up, come with the mom and the fruit snacks and it would just be over.

Speaker 1 He'd just be like, all right, it's fruit snack time.

Speaker 1 And it's just like the next 30 minutes was just, there was nothing left so i gotta covered that yeah you covered that on our last episode how to prevent distraction at practice yes i feel like you could be a nice guest on it when we do a follow-up to that to that episode yeah tell that mom to to keep her fruit stack

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Speaker 1 Tight end you has been awesome. What is this? Year three?

Speaker 1 Two. Two.

Speaker 1 Tell me what it looks like year 10. Are you guys? Someone told me that you guys are basically doing this so you can become their agents and make billions.
Is that true?

Speaker 9 For all, listen, I wish Greg's goal.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that is not my goal.

Speaker 9 I think the ultimate end game for this, I think if we could dream up a scenario where this would grow, is obviously right now we're focused on servicing the professional levels, whether that's an undrafted rookie, two perennial Pro Bowlers with George and Travis and everybody in between, right?

Speaker 9 So I think this year will take us, you know, 75 give or take guys at the professional level.

Speaker 9 I think now, especially with NIL and opportunity with younger amateur players to now come around and be around events that are driven by sponsors and partnerships, I think if we could bring in and grow both the college and then beneath that, like a youth component.

Speaker 9 and make TEU like more of like a track where we can get our hands on, you know, guys that are coming up through the ranks at tight end that are playing high school ball.

Speaker 9 We can get involved with them, coach them almost like a Manning Passing Academy type thing, then have them back through their college careers.

Speaker 9 And then, of course, for those who make it, have guys and like whoever that first like lifer is, the kid who came in high school, college and pro, maybe one day that happens.

Speaker 9 Like, I think there is a larger play at this.

Speaker 9 You know, we run this as a nonprofit. The money that takes to run from all the sponsors and whatnot pays for the event.

Speaker 9 And then everything else, Boys and Girls Club, we partnership with Bridgestone on a camp and donate to a lot of Nashville area charities. So, like, everything else goes to nonprofit.

Speaker 9 So, I think it's just our way of being around the guys, hanging out with the guys, and passing the torch, right? Continuing to build the position and get some of the best minds in the game together.

Speaker 9 And hopefully, one day that trickles down to the younger class of high school kids who want to come learn from the best guys in the world at what we do.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 9 if in 10 years we were at that level, I think TEU would be a really special

Speaker 9 summer, you know, you know, summer event that everyone kind of marked their calendars with.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. All right.
Yeah. Go ahead, George.

Speaker 10 Just on top of that, like, like connecting the high school players, the NFL players, and in between, like, one of the cool things we're doing this year, too, we're like, we're bringing back NFL legends.

Speaker 10 And so, like, I can kind of just be like a, I don't know, not a safety nut, but just a connection for every single tight end in the NFL and high school and college.

Speaker 10 I know it'll just be really fun for all those guys just to learn and really vibe together, honestly. I love it.

Speaker 1 Billy's got his hand up. He's had his hand up for the last 30 minutes.
So we're going to call him Billy here.

Speaker 15 I was just wondering, like, serious question. Have you been trying to create something for tight ends much like the Manning Passing Academy or one of these?

Speaker 1 I think you just said that.

Speaker 2 That's what that is. I think they literally compared it to the Manning.
He just said that.

Speaker 10 Billy,

Speaker 10 that's not an emoji. That's not a gold star.

Speaker 1 No, we're taking an emoji away. I think what happened was there, just to translate, Billy had his question before you answered yours, both of you guys.

Speaker 1 So he had his hand raised and he wasn't listening because he was like, I have something I have to say. And then you guys answered that.

Speaker 10 You got to be able to multitask. Have you ever been in a relationship? You're going to get yelled at that a lot.

Speaker 2 Let's get a headline grab real quick. Get some buzz going for TEU.

Speaker 2 George, do you want to play football until you're 40 years old?

Speaker 10 If my body allows me, I'd love to.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Greg, do you want to

Speaker 1 call games as the Fox broadcast a game for the next 20 years.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Tom Brady, watch out, bro.

Speaker 2 Not a good mentor. Wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Can you give us, can you do the Ryan Tannehill with Tom Brady? What's going to say?

Speaker 9 I'm like Tannehill.

Speaker 1 I'm like Tannehill. It's not my job.
It shouldn't be. You're not a good teammate.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 I was literally just going to say the same thing. I'm like Tannehill when he got bashed for saying that he was going to look after his own job before he taught his guy he was going to steal his job.

Speaker 2 Yeah, how would that work for you guys? Like, did anybody mentor you when you got? I guess that's what TEU is for, right?

Speaker 2 To have older guys that might not be on your team to talk to you about like their craft and how to do it.

Speaker 2 But did anybody on your team, when you guys ever got into the league, were they like, hey, here's what I've learned, here's how you can be successful? Or was it like, it's up to you.

Speaker 2 You're a grown man. Figure it out.

Speaker 9 When I got drafted to Chicago, they had a really good veteran tight end, Des Clark.

Speaker 9 He was not that. He wasn't like old.
He was in like the meat of his career. He was accomplished, just started for them in the Super Bowl, like was a really good player.
And he treated me great.

Speaker 9 Like, by no means did he like roll over and die and say, all right, you got drafted, your first round pick, take my position at all. But he was great to me.
Like, he always answered my questions.

Speaker 9 He was always fair. But when it came time to practice, like, he came every day saying, this rookie's not going to take my spot.
And then that was kind of my approach.

Speaker 9 My whole year, I had a million young tight ends come through over 14 years that I shared a room with. And my philosophy to them was always, I'm going to always help you.

Speaker 9 I'm always going to answer your questions. I'm always here.
If you have something you want to talk about, ask about, you want to watch film with me.

Speaker 9 Like, I am all for that, but I'm going to make it so hard for you to ever take my job. And that's not personal.
That's not because I'm trying to, I'm not trying to sabotage you at all.

Speaker 9 I'm here to help you, but when it's time to go, like,

Speaker 9 I'm not giving you one of my reps. I'm not going to take myself out of the game to like get you experience.
Like, that's not my job. I will help you.
I will help you learn.

Speaker 9 I will meet with you before practice, after practice, watch film with you. But when it's time to go, like, you're going to have to take my spot and kill me before I give it to you.

Speaker 9 And that's, I think that's everybody's approach. And then one day the young guy does take your spot and then you retire and you run a podcast.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's the dream.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, we appreciate you guys. We love you guys.

Speaker 1 And good luck with tight end you this year.

Speaker 1 Let's get get get us the the dates for next year i want we'll we'll build an entire grit week around it we don't care i love that it's i mean oh yes yeah we'll do it all we want to do it all so uh it didn't work out this year but yeah we're in we're in so let's get ahead of it and then we'll just block off the whole week and be like fuck it we're gonna come to nashville and we're gonna get fucked up don't billy you can't listen to that part billy's not allowed to drink on the road

Speaker 1 not no but maybe for tight end you i'm starting to think one night i'm gonna you know what i'm gonna give

Speaker 1 a sponsor yeah I'm going to give him an emoji. I'm giving him an emoji.

Speaker 2 But he fucked up the man in question.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I'm giving him an emoji just because he's down on himself for that. And that's showing like he can't.

Speaker 2 He's down on himself because he thinks that

Speaker 1 he's getting drunk. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Billy, can you stand in front of the camera? Oh, there he is.

Speaker 1 Why doesn't he say that? He's worth an emoji.

Speaker 10 He knows how to listen.

Speaker 1 If Billy could do 275 right now, one time in front of you guys, he'll get an emoji. Done.
Okay, that's easy.

Speaker 1 Easy. Easy.
He says that's easy.

Speaker 9 Hold hold on. Let me see his body.

Speaker 1 Let's see his body. Stop front of the camera.
Show your body. He doesn't have the pockets on his pants.
Take your shirt off.

Speaker 10 Take your shirt off. Can you take your shirt off for this?

Speaker 1 He wants to see your shirt. They want to see your body.

Speaker 9 Can you take your shirt off?

Speaker 9 I want to make a bet, but I got to take a look at what he looks like.

Speaker 1 He's done it before, but this is a little more pressure because you guys are watching. I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 Dan, will you tell him to take your shirt off? Take your shirt off.

Speaker 1 George wants you to take your shirt off.

Speaker 1 Oh, they said you're disinvited if you don't take the shirt off.

Speaker 1 What? Billy, take your shirt off.

Speaker 9 How much weight is is on there?

Speaker 1 You just said that. Time out.

Speaker 9 How much weight is on there?

Speaker 1 Uh, 275.

Speaker 9 What kind of what kind of

Speaker 10 wait, are you really not going to take your shirt off? You're a rookie.

Speaker 7 25-20.

Speaker 1 Yeah, wait, wait, wait. They are saying that you're not invited if you don't take your shirt off.
I'm like, take your shirt off. He's George is saying he's got to take his shirt off.
All right.

Speaker 1 Thank you. There it is.
All right, look.

Speaker 1 I'm even starting. I'm showing you what I'm doing.

Speaker 9 I want.

Speaker 1 Hey, can you ask him why 275 is the 100 plates?

Speaker 1 Knocking everything over. It's like a fucking chaos.
Earthquake.

Speaker 1 I'm starting my notes app right now. The Billy T E E U.

Speaker 9 What emoji are you going to use?

Speaker 1 What do we use? I think maybe just the arm, the strength.

Speaker 9 Yeah, arm. I think it's got to be the bicep.

Speaker 10 This is incredible.

Speaker 9 All right, Billy. Wide grip.
He's got a wide grip.

Speaker 1 He got it. He got it.
Way to go.

Speaker 1 Arm.

Speaker 1 The guy did it.

Speaker 1 Billy gets it.

Speaker 2 You get an emoji.

Speaker 1 You just just pop a pec? I'm giving him, look, I just gave him one strength emoji. Look at that, Billy.
I think you have to have 15 emojis on me and PFT's phone individually.

Speaker 1 Did you just pop a peck?

Speaker 1 We want you to earn it. Yeah, we want you to earn it.

Speaker 2 You know how much more you're going to enjoy this if you earn it?

Speaker 1 Big cat. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Big cat. Ask him if he just popped his pec.

Speaker 2 Did you just pop your pec? No, he's fine. He's crying about it.

Speaker 1 He's got like a little sore shoulder. This happens every day.
Yeah, he'll be fine.

Speaker 1 He's Billy. He's like Big Ben.
He just like, every injury, like, oh, this hurts.

Speaker 9 I I don't like the way he's holding his shoulder. He's fine.

Speaker 2 Trust me, I've seen this a million times.

Speaker 1 That would be so funny if he got

Speaker 9 why you guys had so many plates on for 275. What kind of plates are those?

Speaker 2 These are bumpers.

Speaker 1 45, 25, 35, 10s.

Speaker 9 That's the most ridiculous way to get the 275 I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we don't have enough 45.

Speaker 2 That's all the weights that we have. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So we were doing Max Tuesdays, but then we ran out of weights. And so it's just kind of like, I guess we just maxed.
I guess we benched all the weight in the world. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can't get any more.

Speaker 9 Thank God you don't have more. This guy's peck would shred off.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's hurt. He's fine.
All right.

Speaker 1 I'm going to call it right now. He's hurt.

Speaker 9 I can see it in his eyes. He's hurt.

Speaker 1 He's saying he had no warm-up, so he's hurt.

Speaker 9 I've seen guys get hurt before. His face looks hurt.

Speaker 1 No, he's playing tough, but yeah, I think he's hurt.

Speaker 2 He's got resting hurt face.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm going to actually give him, you know what? Because he's hurt.
I'm going to give him the hospital emoji too.

Speaker 1 So he's got two on my ball.

Speaker 1 Good job, Billy. All right, boys.
Thank you so much. We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Good luck at TEU, and we'll talk soon.

Speaker 6 All right, guys. Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Thank you guys. Bye, guys.
Thank you.

Speaker 10 Good job, Billy.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we're going to finish up the show with one of our favorite recurring guests, longtime friend. It is Coach Bo Polini.
In studio, we're going to do a little listener questions, Bo Nose Ball.

Speaker 1 All the AWLs wrote in for you, Bo, so that we can answer their questions. But before we do that, you have a new podcast.
It is called Beyond the Playbook, You and Your Son, coming out soon, right?

Speaker 1 People can get it soon.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it should be sometime either later this week or next week. Okay.

Speaker 1 It should be cool.

Speaker 1 We're very excited for that. We'll put this in the,

Speaker 1 you know, we'll tweet it out and make sure everyone knows where to find it.

Speaker 1 Before we get to the questions, what, have you commented yet on the Sabin versus Jimbo rivalry? Were you shocked?

Speaker 1 Because it did feel like those guys both kind of broke a code, so to speak, of pointing fingers at someone else.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you know, I didn't see Sabin's comments.

Speaker 7 But, you know, the thing that's interesting about it is,

Speaker 7 and I like, I mean, Jimbo's a friend. I mean, I have a lot of respect for Nick.
I've known him for a long time.

Speaker 7 What did he say?

Speaker 7 I mean, no, my point is, he didn't say it. I mean,

Speaker 7 what he said about,

Speaker 7 I don't know if he was even trying to be critical.

Speaker 7 They did, but they bought their class, right?

Speaker 2 So, yeah, so I think what he was doing, he was talking to business leaders from the Tuscaloosa area.

Speaker 2 So, I think what he was trying to say is, like, we got beaten recruiting this year by Jimbo and A ⁇ M because they're paying kids. Can we please have some of that money so we don't get beat again?

Speaker 2 I think that's what he was saying. But the way that it came across was saying,

Speaker 2 like, Jimbo Fisher buys all his players and buys his recruiting class. And then Jimbo was like, wait a a sec, he took offense to that and fired back at Nick being like, hey, I know what you're doing.

Speaker 1 Which that's the part.

Speaker 7 I didn't understand why he took offense to it.

Speaker 7 Well, it's legal now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 7 I mean, a few years ago, I would have taken offense.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like it's, I don't know if it's legal or if it's just not illegal. Right.
Like, we're kind of in this weird gray area with NIL where nobody really knows what the law is yet.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 Well, you can pay kids.

Speaker 7 You can guarantee them money. I mean, you're not doing it personally.
I mean, Jimbo's not out there giving them money,

Speaker 7 but it's the, you know, it's the alumni. It's the, with the companies around Texas A ⁇ M.

Speaker 1 I actually like this take because I haven't heard it that like both sides shouldn't be offended because that's kind of the way it is now.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, that's what I don't get right now. I mean, why

Speaker 1 do

Speaker 7 they change the roles? I mean, the NCAA,

Speaker 7 they're the ones who created this.

Speaker 7 All Jimbo did was, I mean,

Speaker 7 you can agree with it or not agree with it, but

Speaker 7 they spent the the money.

Speaker 7 Everybody can spend it. Go find the money and spend it.
I mean, I heard they spent a lot of money on their recruiting class.

Speaker 1 It would have been interesting if Jimbo had flipped it and used it as a positive and been like, yeah, we have a very wealthy

Speaker 1 tapped-in alumni base that wants to see the school do well. Come to Texas A ⁇ M.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It kind of is like, you know.

Speaker 7 Isn't that really what's going on?

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 It also tells me that Jimbo is like, I think

Speaker 2 he had real thin skin on what Nick Nick said, meaning that they did not like each other beforehand. Like, Jimbo was looking for a reason to be offended by what Nick Sabin was saying.

Speaker 2 So he took, yeah, I guess you're kind of right. In a way, like, what Nick Sabin said was literally the truth about what has happened at Texas A ⁇ M.

Speaker 2 And then Jimbo was like, wait, wait, wait a second, and got pissed off about it. So that just means that Jimbo hates Nick Sabin.

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 7 Things have changed a lot in the last couple of years if Jimbo hates Nick Saban, because, I mean, they work together. And I mean, Jimbo is where he is is because

Speaker 7 you know because he worked under Nick and he had that's a big part of why he got the opportunities that he got and

Speaker 7 I don't know but

Speaker 1 you know I don't know if Nick was I didn't see I didn't actually see the comments and hear how he said it but it is what it is I mean it's legal yeah when we when we like as fans we see guys who work together uh going back at each other we're like wait that's weird because they worked together and they should have a relationship.

Speaker 1 Is that a misconception from our part? Like when guys work together, if they work for a few years together,

Speaker 1 they could equally be as enemies or friends walking away from that. Is that fair?

Speaker 7 Absolutely. You could be close or it could drive you apart.
I mean,

Speaker 7 you know, everyone's different to work with. I mean, there are guys that I worked with that are...
that I'm tight with, and there are guys, I mean, I wouldn't say anybody's my enemy. Right.

Speaker 7 But, you know, it's different. You know, you know, you work with people every day and some people you're close with and some people,

Speaker 7 you know, you just don't see eye to eye with.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Okay.
I hate Glenny Balls. Like there's a guy out there at Glenny Balls.

Speaker 2 Everyone thinks that we're totally friends.

Speaker 12 I want to slit his throat.

Speaker 7 I thought you said sweaty balls.

Speaker 1 Sweaty balls.

Speaker 1 We need to hire a guy named Sweaty Balls to take Glenny's job, get him out the paint. We should.

Speaker 2 No, I love Glenny. But what about you and your brother? So you and your brother, have you guys gotten closer over the years?

Speaker 2 Or were there years where it it was like, I can't stand being in the same room as this guy?

Speaker 7 I was never like, you never felt like that. At least I didn't.
I mean, that's, you know, to me, bloods, you know, that's, it runs thick. But

Speaker 7 yeah, there were, obviously we had our disagreements.

Speaker 7 And sometimes that might have been harder, you know, having a brother, you know, I mean, because it becomes, it gets a little more personal at times. But,

Speaker 7 you know, I, to me, it was always, you know, when you, when you leave this, the office, you leave that, you know, you leave it behind, you know, and it's, you know, you got to be able to separate all those things.

Speaker 7 And I think that's the biggest problem that a lot of people have, especially in sports, is being able to leave it behind.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I've been reading some articles about going back and reading about the Harbaugh brothers and how Jim Harbaugh, excuse me, John Harbaugh, he'll do this thing where during the season he brings his cot into his office and he sleeps in his office.

Speaker 2 So he goes home for maybe like two hours a day, one day a week. And then maybe like on a Saturday, he'll like, you know, if they have a home game, he'll spend time with his family.

Speaker 2 But to me, that always felt like diminishing returns. Where as a coach, you want to be like, yeah, I'm the first one in, last one out.
I work hard. I watch a lot of film, do all this prep.

Speaker 2 But if you're a head coach that's spending like every single second of every single day at your office, I feel like that's almost counterproductive at some point, right?

Speaker 7 You know, I never bought into that.

Speaker 7 You know, believe me, I put time in and I never bought into the face. You don't need it.

Speaker 1 It's not rocket science.

Speaker 7 It's football. And

Speaker 7 to me, if you're spending that kind of time and you don't have a chance to go home, see your family, see your wife, I mean, there would not be, there'd have to be a major

Speaker 7 hurricane. It would have to be like something crazy would have to happen for me not to go home.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, you have to be able to separate, though.

Speaker 7 To me, otherwise you're going to get burned out. Right.

Speaker 1 And you're also not going to be a human being. Like, that's the...
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 You know, being a human being for your players is part of it as well where you're no just you know a football robot um okay so we had people right in uh jake has the questions bow knows ball this is gonna be good we usually we do we'll do like guys on chicks or blue collar questions today we're gonna do football questions with coach bow uh jake take it away all right it seems like players switched positions over the course of their development in football met more than any other sport.

Speaker 11 Is that accurate? And if so, is it because if you're a true football guy deep down, you'll find a place to be successful on the field and make it to the pros, even if it takes a few tries?

Speaker 1 Ooh, good question.

Speaker 1 So players switching positions back and forth.

Speaker 7 You know,

Speaker 7 I think everybody's body, you know, people's, their bodies change.

Speaker 7 You know, you might have,

Speaker 7 I think it happens a lot. I think it...

Speaker 7 To me, it doesn't happen enough. I think some guys' stubbornness not to change positions costs them a future.

Speaker 7 And, you know, your body is going to change from being in high school to college to, you know, long term as far as, you know, what are my strengths, what are my weaknesses. And I think that,

Speaker 7 I mean, there's countless.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I can think of guys that

Speaker 7 even offensive line to defensive line.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, so how, tell, tell me how that, like, if you had an offensive lineman, what are you looking at where you're like, this guy would be better on the defensive line?

Speaker 7 You know,

Speaker 7 as far as it's probably athleticism, like Taylor, Lulu.

Speaker 7 I mean, he could have, to me, he could have been a D-lineman because

Speaker 7 he was such a freak athlete. But I think of a guy that when I was at LSU, he was a top five draft pick.
This is my first time at LSU back in the, you know, 2006, 2007.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 it didn't take long for me to say, you know, he didn't have that quick twitch to be a D, you know, and I told him, I said, and he was, I said, you need need to move to the offensive line.

Speaker 7 And he looked at me like, God,

Speaker 7 I'm a top five player in the country.

Speaker 7 I said, you're going to be a really good,

Speaker 7 you're going to be a good defensive lineman. You'll play, and you're going to contribute.
But I said, if

Speaker 7 you want to make a gazillion dollars, you should go to the offensive line. And did he switch? He ended up switching.
Who was that?

Speaker 7 Joe Barksdale.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 And he didn't. switch right away.
I think he waited until like maybe a year after, just after I left and I went to to Nebraska and he switched over and he ended up playing in the NFL for a while. But

Speaker 7 he would have been a good defensive lineman, but I said, you're going to be a phenomenal offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And what about when it comes to like wide receivers versus quarter or cornerbacks? Is it just a matter of like, if you can't catch, then go play defense?

Speaker 7 What are you trying to say? Defensive guys can't catch?

Speaker 1 That's fucked up.

Speaker 1 I mean, is it true?

Speaker 2 I feel like it's true for the most part, right? No.

Speaker 4 Like,

Speaker 2 if you've got got that great of hands, let's say that you found a cornerback that had the greatest hands that you've ever seen playing football, you'd probably find a way to put him on offense every now and again, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 7 But I also, you know, there is a bit of a misconception that that's

Speaker 7 a totally different skill set to play wide receiver and play DB.

Speaker 1 It's also, I feel like

Speaker 1 there's been a transition recently where it used to be cornerbacks have similar skill sets off wide receivers, but they might be maybe not have the height that wide receivers have.

Speaker 1 It feels like now teams are going after taller corners.

Speaker 1 You'll see like 6'2, 6'3 corners where you maybe wouldn't see that back in the day, where it was more like the guys that are 5'11 are playing cornerback, and then you get your 6'3 guys at wide receiver.

Speaker 1 Is that fair? Because it does change. It's really debate.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's changed now. I mean, but everyone's a little bit different, obviously.

Speaker 7 But I don't,

Speaker 7 it's totally totally different you know you take a guy I mean I've had guys that I thought would be great you know wideouts that I thought would be great corners and you put it with I put them over there and gave them a look and they just they can't figure it out and vice versa yeah you have to like enjoy contact a little bit too you have to enjoy contact but you're also you're

Speaker 7 it's much it's more of a reactive position I mean why you know obviously wide out you know what you're doing it with your db you're you're you're playing reactive and that's a totally different skill set.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 you're not going this way all the time.

Speaker 7 You're backpedaling.

Speaker 7 It's just different. Some guys can make the transition.
Some guys can't.

Speaker 2 Did you ever recruit a guy on campus and you thought maybe he'd be a quarterback?

Speaker 2 And it's pretty apparent after the first year that he should move to wide receiver, but he resists moving to wide receiver because he resists for so long because he wants to be the quarterback.

Speaker 2 Then his development at receiver gets stunted. Next thing you know, he doesn't get into any games, and then he spends the rest of his life being like, I should have been a college quarterback.

Speaker 7 Oh, it happens all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You go across the country and you see that a ton.

Speaker 7 That guys that, and I think part of that happens is because people aren't honest. I was always honest with the kids.

Speaker 7 If I thought a kid was going to move, I was going to tell them.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 Or I was going to say, hey, this is a possibility. And I'd be honest with them from day one.

Speaker 7 But, you know, some some people, they're just going to try to get them to sign on the dotted line and get them. And then,

Speaker 1 yeah, and then move them around after. But it doesn't.
And that never works well. Right.
Right. Where a guy thinks he's like, oh, I'm a quarterback.
I'm a quarterback.

Speaker 1 And then you're like, hey, dude, you're a wide receiver special teams player. No, not.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 right. We know a guy like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we know a guy who usually sits in that seat, actually.

Speaker 1 He's not here right now.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you've met Billy Football.

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 7 I've got to tell you.

Speaker 1 Actually, Billy Football was,

Speaker 1 came with us to the Bocce tournament, and we told him. Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember.
Yeah, we told him to watch the car, and then when we came back, he was blackout drunk.

Speaker 1 So that's Billy Football.

Speaker 7 I had a kid when I was at Nebraska who was a good wide receiver. Wasn't great.
He was 6'4.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 we had some injuries, and

Speaker 7 I moved him to corner on a Monday and started him on Saturday. Jeez.
And he knew nothing. I mean, nothing.
All he knew how to do was,

Speaker 7 I said, don't try to teach him all these things. Just teach him to play press.
Just tell him to get up, and he's not allowed to play off. He just got it.

Speaker 7 And this was like the first time he'd ever played corner in his life. And he went and started against Ohio State and made an interception.
And he ended up playing in the NFL for a few years. Wow.

Speaker 7 Holy shit. Stanley Gene Baptiste.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Look it up. I remember that name.
Wow. That's a hell of a story.
All right, Jake, that was a good first question. What do we got next?

Speaker 11 Bo, what makes a guy a dude on the field/slash weight room, and what would make a guy a dude at the office? Steve from Tampa.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 7 All right, say that again.

Speaker 2 How does a guy become a dude?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And does it translate from on the so basically he's asking, like, what does it mean to be a dude on the football field?

Speaker 11 And if we were to translate that to the office,

Speaker 1 what would be confusing? Because if you do football field, maybe we'll fill in an office.

Speaker 7 I think on the foot guy make

Speaker 7 to me, it's kids are tough. I mean,

Speaker 7 who really roll up their sleeves and go to work every day and don't,

Speaker 7 I mean, that's what it takes to be a dude on the football field.

Speaker 7 Who's going to stay, who's going to be who he is? I mean, who's dependable? Who's going to, you don't have to worry about him,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 he's not going to be, you know, grabbing his hamstring and trying to duck out of practice, not trying to be that kind of guy.

Speaker 7 He's a guy that's going to show up every day, put a good day's work in, and

Speaker 1 be that guy. Can you tell a dude right right away, like when you're watching your football team and you're looking at everyone, you're like, all right, here are the five to six guys that I just know,

Speaker 1 maybe not the best athletes, but the guys that you're like, I can depend on them and they're, you know, everyone will respect them and just the way they carry themselves.

Speaker 7 Absolutely.

Speaker 7 And most of the time, to me, you can watch, you can, you can see that when you're watching the film, when you're either recruiting a kid or you're watching the film for the draft, you can tell who those guys, or you have a pretty good idea who those guys are.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And who's not? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'd say in the office, I don't know what would you do.

Speaker 2 I would say, like, if you get chewed out by your boss, let's say you have like a group assignment, you get chewed out by your boss for something that your coworker did wrong, and you keep your mouth shut, and you don't say to them, No, it was actually that person's fault.

Speaker 2 If you just take that ass chewing, then the person whose fault that it really was will see that and they're like, I got this guy's back for the rest of my life.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I also think that's if it's a guy, if the guy sees that and saw somebody take an ash chilling, it's that guy is able to walk over to the boss and say, no, it was me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That would be nice, too.
Yep. Yeah.
Yep.

Speaker 2 But otherwise, I'd like to. It kind of goes both ways.

Speaker 7 To be a dude, you better take you better

Speaker 1 into your own mistakes.

Speaker 2 I'm also thinking from a very selfish standpoint,

Speaker 2 if I had just taken my berating, then I know that that person who I saved, I've got them in my pocket for the rest of my life at that office. So

Speaker 2 I can cash in a favor later.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. Okay, good question.
Jake, your next one.

Speaker 11 Dear Coach Polini, as a football guy, what is the go-to breakfast and drink to start your day before practice? Does it change in game day to certain meals or is the routine kind of the same every day?

Speaker 11 I'd like to think you'd be a morning chili or maybe a waffles kind of guy.

Speaker 1 Why not both? Get that piss hot chili on the waffles. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I kind of ate, I didn't really give a shit what time we were playing. I pretty much ate the same thing

Speaker 7 before every game.

Speaker 1 Which was?

Speaker 7 Some meat, obviously some steak or something like that.

Speaker 1 It's kind of what the players did.

Speaker 7 Some steak, a little bit of pasta, and

Speaker 7 that's about it.

Speaker 7 I wasn't a big eater before games,

Speaker 7 but I was going to have some spaghetti and I was going to have a little bit of meat that was going to carry me through all day.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Protein going.
What did you have before the 2017

Speaker 2 national championship game against JMU?

Speaker 7 Same, probably exactly the same thing. That's what I ate before every game.
I'm a creature of habit and kind of have my,

Speaker 7 what do you call it? I'm superstitious in some ways.

Speaker 1 What about in the morning, like a regular Tuesday morning? Is it coffee right away?

Speaker 7 I eat oatmeal and that's it.

Speaker 1 That's it? No coffee?

Speaker 7 I have a little bit of it. I probably have a coffee sometimes.

Speaker 1 Okay, oatmeal and coffee. I want to start doing that.

Speaker 2 So you're not

Speaker 2 one of the coaches that just pounds caffeine all the time? Like Coach O, he drinks like

Speaker 2 17 Red Bulls a day. Yeah, the two of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Coach Knights. Coach Holgerson, he's just Red Bulls all day.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I couldn't remember it. Oh,

Speaker 7 he drank Red Bulls all day. I couldn't remember.

Speaker 2 Yeah, maybe Monster. Yeah, he had to.

Speaker 2 I think he said he had to curtail the Red Bull intake after he got up to about 12 a day. But Dana's probably still around.
Oh, yeah, he doesn't.

Speaker 1 He just goes to the sleep.

Speaker 7 Well, Dana doesn't sleep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, correct. Correct.
Yeah, so he just drinks Red Bull all day.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but

Speaker 7 I got to tell you, if I let myself, I mean, I love Coca-Cola. Like

Speaker 7 regular Coke, like the old Coke Classic. I mean, if I let myself, I'd drink 15 a day.

Speaker 1 But yeah, this football guy to know that you got to stop yourself.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 7 I just like, I like the taste of it. I mean, out of caffeine, I'm sure that's part of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, definitely. All the sugar.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah, but I don't, you know, but the Red Bull and all that, the monsters, all that shit, I won't drink that stuff.
I don't like that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Do you guys like that? I just do coffee all day. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I look at Red Bull like it's medicine, where I don't really like the taste, but i don't really care about the taste i just know that i have to take it and i'll stay awake well i'll do red bull late at like when we record late at night i'll do a red bull because it always feels like silly to have a coffee at 10 p.m even though i'm doing the same thing with the red bull i don't know why but it's cool

Speaker 7 yeah but i'm i'm like probably four or five cups of coffee a day wow a lot of friends a lot of my a lot of friends not my a lot of people i know drink they'll have red bull and like like that's what they use as their mixer with their mixturing yeah well the red bull and vodka is that's that's a good way to start a party, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 7 I mean, it would be wired, wouldn't you?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 oh, downer. Oh, yeah, you keep the party going all day, all in one.

Speaker 2 It's basically like a classy for loco. That's what Forloco tried to accomplish, yeah, but they flew too close to the sun.

Speaker 1 Red Bull vodka is a good way if you're out at a bar and you're like, you find yourself dragging, like maybe it's like 10, 11 o'clock, quick one of those, and you're back.

Speaker 1 That's what you got to do. There you go.
Yeah. All right.
Next question.

Speaker 11 Do you have to play on real grass to be considered a true football guy?

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 7 Absolutely.

Speaker 7 At some point, you have to.

Speaker 1 At some point. Yeah.
Like,

Speaker 7 you got to, at some point, I mean, right?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 7 at some point, you got to be, they got to, the camera has to go, and you got to have a grass sticking out of your

Speaker 1 space market.

Speaker 2 Like, imagine being a kid growing up playing sports and you never come home with a grass stain on your jersey. It's crazy.
That's part of the deal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, you got a lot of kids. Like, I was just watching a baseball game the other day.

Speaker 7 I went to see my nephew play, and it was in Columbus. And

Speaker 7 these high school kids, they're playing on, like, the infield was field turf. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 I was like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it was like.
Baseball on field turf makes no sense. I get.

Speaker 7 We didn't even have grass. We just played.
It was just like those. You remember the old,

Speaker 7 it was like all dirt. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, being like some rocks that just showed up out of no sandbox. It's like, don't slide in a second because your knee is going to get skilled.

Speaker 1 Do you like, though, as a football coach, knowing field turf, like at least you don't have to. It's like one less variable? Do you appreciate that?

Speaker 7 Oh, for sure. I mean, but,

Speaker 7 you know, yeah, but you got to, at some point, you got to have, there has to be some grass in Florida.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I agree.
I like the grass fields.

Speaker 2 With field turf, you can't grow the field turf out to slow down a faster opponent. True.

Speaker 1 I've always wondered about that, too, because I wonder if they could do like different pellets, those rubber pellets. Slower ones.
Bigger pellets.

Speaker 2 You know, like Notre Dame used to grow their grass out if they'd be playing USC or something like that. They'd be like, okay, they're much faster than us.

Speaker 1 But I always thought like that would slow that would slow your defense down too right yeah like doesn't go everyone gets slower so the fast guys still are faster yeah yeah I think it's kind of all bullshit to be honest with you it's a mind game yeah the better team that the better team is gonna win

Speaker 7 I had a kid when I am not gonna tell you where because Because I did coach this kid. There was a kid that couldn't figure out why.
We had a field turf.

Speaker 7 We were playing on field turf, and he was saying, he said,

Speaker 7 I don't understand this. I always see them water, you know, because they would water the field turf to get

Speaker 7 the rubber pellets to kind of sink in and

Speaker 7 stuff. And he was like, I see people all the time watering.
I never see anybody cutting it.

Speaker 1 It's Will Compton. Yeah, it's Will Compton.
That was Will Compton, right? Will Compton? That was Will.

Speaker 1 All right. Next question.

Speaker 11 When it's a QB sneak situation, why don't coaches sub in a big boy to push the pile? Or why don't they put two or three big boys behind the QB to push the pile? You could even have a sneak specialist.

Speaker 2 Good question.

Speaker 7 Well, some people do that. They've pushed.

Speaker 7 They get those big, fat guys. I mean, I don't know whether they get linemen and stuff, but they'll get

Speaker 7 where they're two yards behind the quarterback. But, you know, that's one thing that I don't think a lot of people practice enough.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's crazy, too, because I don't understand how teams don't practice it more when you watch what the Patriots have done and what Tom Brady, like Tom Brady, probably the thing he's most elite at is getting a yard when he needs to.

Speaker 1 And it's such an underrated thing where it's like, why, you know, on third and one or fourth and one, like always being able to get that yard, always finding that little seam and falling forward.

Speaker 1 You see teams try to do it in a key situation. You're like, yep, you're right.
They haven't practiced that. Like, they don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 7 There's no question. And

Speaker 7 let me tell you,

Speaker 7 at some point, it's going to

Speaker 7 cost people games. I was watching a bull game where

Speaker 7 they had, had, I mean, I'm telling you, like an inch and a half to go. And this team punted.
And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, I mean, that's crazy. I mean, you do that.

Speaker 7 A, you don't deserve to win if you can't get.

Speaker 1 Wait, what bowl game was that? I'm trying to think about it. Was it northwestern Kentucky?

Speaker 7 It was Kentucky. No, it was Iowa and Kentucky.

Speaker 1 Iowa and Kentucky, okay. Well, Iowa punts all the time anyway.
Iowa loves to punt.

Speaker 7 But I couldn't understand why they, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why you don't just go get that one yard.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 7 end the game.

Speaker 1 Do you believe in that theory that, like, because that's what I always tell myself when it's fourth and one, you're like, hey, go for this.

Speaker 1 And I always just do the old mantra, like, if you can't get one yard, you don't deserve to win. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 7 But I think there's a whole different, there's one yard and then there's inches. Right.

Speaker 7 I mean, a yard's a full yard. I don't know.
I don't know. You know, that can be hairy.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 But when I'm talking about

Speaker 1 this much, you've got to be able to get that.

Speaker 7 You have to be able to get it.

Speaker 7 Really, you probably don't deserve to win the football.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it does seem to me like the great quarterbacks are good at all these small little details. Like Tom Brady, like we said,

Speaker 2 he will get a yard on a quarterback sneak every time, usually like two yards. Aaron Rodgers on fourth down, when he goes out there with the hard count,

Speaker 2 he's just like, I don't know if it's the amount of practice that he puts in with his offensive line, but it does, Big Cat always says that he's cheating when he does it because

Speaker 2 it's so good, and they've practiced it so often. I feel like those little details right there would be things that more quarterbacks would like copy and try to emulate.

Speaker 2 But sometimes they get out there on fourth down and they just kind of look lost. And they're like, okay, I guess I'll just run the play as called and not try to work on this thing.

Speaker 2 But like the small things like that, that makes a big difference between being like, I don't know, like a four and six team and a six and four team.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 No, I mean, but the detail matters. And there's also,

Speaker 7 you know, it's hard to, is it from a defensive standpoint to stop a sneak? Obviously, you got to load up and you got to kind of go all in to make it happen.

Speaker 7 If offensive guys will just change the picture a little bit, add somebody in or bring a wide-out in, and you just change the picture a little bit,

Speaker 7 and

Speaker 7 you're not going to get stopped.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Who's the best defensive player you've ever coached?

Speaker 7 The best defensive player that I've ever coached. That's a good question.

Speaker 7 In college?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I think that

Speaker 11 probably

Speaker 7 for about the last half of his senior year, Sue was probably.

Speaker 7 He was as dominant as you could possibly be.

Speaker 1 Were you the coach in that Texas game? Yeah, that was one of the greatest games ever played by Sue. He almost won that game for you guys by himself.

Speaker 7 Well, we did win the game. Wait.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, you won. Yeah, yeah, you did.
Yeah, you did. You're right.
You're right. You did win the game.
We lost. We lost, but you won.

Speaker 1 But that was one of, like, if you don't know that game, Big 12 finals,

Speaker 1 Nebraska versus Texas, Sue was just an absolute, like, he wrecked the entire game.

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 7 we killed. We dominated them.
We dominated them. I mean, they were good.
They had, I mean, they went to the national championship game. I think they put,

Speaker 7 what, 35 or something up on Alabama. Yeah.
They lost to Alabama like 38, 35 or whatever it was. I mean, they couldn't get

Speaker 1 the body got hurt, I think.

Speaker 2 Gary Gilbert.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in the road.

Speaker 7 They couldn't get any further. They couldn't get first downs against us.

Speaker 1 I like how you're holding on that you won the game. I mean, you got me confused there for a second.
I was like, wait, no, we did. Oh, yeah, you did.
Yeah, no, they put they.

Speaker 11 That was actually the next question.

Speaker 1 Time just did

Speaker 11 Colt McCoy's pass in the 2009 Big 12 championship game fall incomplete before or after time expired.

Speaker 7 Well, let me tell you,

Speaker 7 until somebody will show me a split screen, well,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 here's the ball hitting and here's the time running out. The time ran out.
There was nothing,

Speaker 7 there was no evidence to say that that ball hit because they're not supposed to turn it.

Speaker 7 The clock isn't supposed to stop until the ball actually hits something.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 And I think they like went back and they... They said that it hit something on the side.

Speaker 1 That was like sticking up, right?

Speaker 7 That was a screw job.

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 2 It was. I was in a woman.

Speaker 7 Because they wanted Texas to go to the national championship game. Let's face it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 They wanted to make sure that a team from the Big 12 went.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, we won the game.
The game was over.

Speaker 2 Right. Texas in general going to a championship.
They know that that's going to put butts in seats. And so they didn't want you guys to take that away from all the money that they stood to make.

Speaker 2 And it was a screw job. I was in Austin watching it, actually, at a Longhorn bar.
Everybody in the bar thought the game was over.

Speaker 2 And then when they put the second back on, nobody knew where it came from. They just saw that the official was like, no, the ball landed out of bounds.
We're going to put a second back on.

Speaker 2 One more play, go for it. It was bullshit.

Speaker 1 I agree with you about that one. That game, though, everyone should go watch that game because Sue, I just looked it up.
It was 12 tackles as a defensive tackle.

Speaker 1 12 tackles, seven for a loss, four and a half sacks. You can't be more dominant than that.
As a defensive tackle in a game, not an edge rusher.

Speaker 7 Our defense that year. I mean, obviously, Sue, as I told you, is a huge part of it, but our defense that year, if you go back and look at the stats from that defense,

Speaker 7 that was an unbelievable defense.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 We didn't have a lot of offense on that team.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I would say I truly believe at the end of the year, nobody in the country could have beat us.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't, what was your record at the end of that year?

Speaker 7 11-2 or

Speaker 1 somewhere. Maybe it would have been in the college football playoff if there was an expanded one.

Speaker 1 That's what, whenever people talk about the college football playoff and the expansion, it's like those teams that maybe have one or two losses, but they have an elite, elite, elite side of the ball.

Speaker 1 It's like, I want to see them in there. I want to see them mix with, you know, someone else.

Speaker 7 And we got better as the year went on. We lost like,

Speaker 7 I think we lost to like Iowa State that year.

Speaker 7 We turned the ball over like

Speaker 7 eight times, five times inside the, inside going in, inside the 10-yard line. And we lost like 9-7.

Speaker 7 Something crazy like that.

Speaker 1 Jesus. All right, we got any others?

Speaker 11 We got one more. Okay, let's do it.
What's up, Bo and Billy Football, somewhere out in the woods?

Speaker 11 If you could take over a program today, say like the Nebraska football team, what would you do to get them back to a national powerhouse?

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 7 Well, I think that anything to get somebody back to a national powerhouse,

Speaker 7 you got to do things right, and

Speaker 7 you got to recruit well, obviously. And

Speaker 7 I think this is the biggest misconception that the average fan has is

Speaker 7 every place you go will be would would take different things to try to get them going yeah you know you can't just say okay

Speaker 7 you know uh you know uh if i went to nebraska or i went to oio state or i went to whoever Purdue or whatever, every single situation is different.

Speaker 7 So you got to run your program a little bit differently and

Speaker 7 different things will actually lead to winning. And I don't think people understand that.

Speaker 2 You're not going to go to Army and be like, we're going to spread them out.

Speaker 1 Right. Right.
We're going to go air raid.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's, yeah, it's playing to the strengths of also geography. It's like I always, you know, think about it.
How do you recruit? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like when Barry Alvarez took over at Wisconsin, his press conference was like, there's a lot of fat people in Wisconsin. We're going to build a line.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And like that kind of stuff, where it's like, hey, this is what it is. You know, where you play to your strength.

Speaker 7 There's no doubt. And recruiting-wise, you have to do that.
And

Speaker 7 you can't be stubborn about it.

Speaker 7 You know, I always say that the best best jobs coaching are

Speaker 7 the people who can beat people with the people they didn't want.

Speaker 1 That's good. I like that.

Speaker 7 And, you know, I don't think people understand that.

Speaker 7 Like, if you got to go in and, you know, five or six weeks out of the year, you're going to go in and you're not going to have the best players, but you've got to figure out other ways to win.

Speaker 7 There's the little things, the detail, the,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 the big culture part of things. And I think that's part of college football now that's going to be missing.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 With the transfer portal and all the other bullshit that's going on, it's getting harder and harder for those teams that aren't the elite

Speaker 7 in elite recruiting places to develop a culture that's good enough to beat those, you know, to beat the teams that really have recruiting advantages.

Speaker 1 Now, the debate has had a lot.

Speaker 1 And I'd love to hear your take. What is the best job in America?

Speaker 1 And you can tackle it from any perspective, but let's just say, what's the best job in terms of the recruiting base? And, like, you go there and you should win a national title?

Speaker 7 I mean, obviously, I think Alabama's up there.

Speaker 7 I think that there's not one, but I think there's probably, you know, five or six.

Speaker 1 Usually people say Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama, or LSU. Alabama, you know, yes, but also that's a lot of Sabin.

Speaker 1 And then they'll throw in USC because of, you know, the talent on the West Coast, and they are the West Coast team. I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 Texas always gets mentioned, but now Texas obviously has to deal with Texas AM and like there's a lot of, you know, Oklahoma has done well.

Speaker 1 And then I think people also throw in Florida, you know, a school where you can get insane talent in state at those schools.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think so. But I also think

Speaker 7 the interesting part of it is that that's going to evolve too, because

Speaker 7 you mentioned a lot of those programs, and I wouldn't disagree with any of those programs. But then you have to add on top of it an athletic director

Speaker 7 and a president and an administration that gets it

Speaker 7 to allow you to take advantage of the things that...

Speaker 7 I mean, let's face it, that's one of the reasons why Alabama, I mean, obviously Nick Sabin's a great coach, always has been, and he does a great job. But

Speaker 7 their administration,

Speaker 7 allowing him to do things the way they have to be done, and

Speaker 7 that goes a long way. Yeah.
And there are places where the administration gets in the way and they screw it up.

Speaker 1 That's actually, I would say,

Speaker 1 there's a lot of reasons, and we could do a whole podcast about it, but one of the biggest reasons there's been such a big gap open between Oklahoma and Texas is the

Speaker 1 administration at Oklahoma seemingly seemingly being strong throughout everything, always having their coaches back, that seamless transition they had, and

Speaker 1 from stoops to Lincoln Riley to now going to the next guy, Venables, like they'll probably be just fine. And Texas has a carousel going on ever since Mac Brown left.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, there's reasons why

Speaker 7 things are turning over all the time. I mean, I don't know

Speaker 7 everything that goes on at Texas, but there's something missing for

Speaker 7 that. There's something missing somewhere.

Speaker 2 Yeah. They've got all these boosters who all think that they control the program by themselves.

Speaker 2 So, you've got guys with names on all the buildings on campuses, and they think they all think that they're the most important person in the football program at Texas, and there's no like strong administration to like rein them in and keep them in check and go one-on-one with the coach.

Speaker 2 That's what Mac Brown was actually probably the best at, even in the years where he started to tail off. He's a great handshaker.

Speaker 2 Like, he'll go out, he'll talk to anybody, he'll make you feel like you're the most important booster to the program. And the guys they got after him are not like that at all.

Speaker 2 So it creates a lot of strife.

Speaker 2 So sometimes like the best jobs in theory, you don't realize that it's going to be like that TV show succession around you all the time where everyone's like stabbing each other in the back over everything, which is not anything that you'd ever actually be prepared for in a job until you got there.

Speaker 7 No one's going to be able to do that. Yeah, you wouldn't be.
How would you even know that that's going to go on? I mean, you could have a pretty good idea.

Speaker 7 But could you imagine like somebody that would never happen at Alabama?

Speaker 1 Right. Ever.

Speaker 7 Like, there's no way. And I I don't know,

Speaker 7 obviously, part of that's because of Nick, but their administration wouldn't allow. There's not some booster is not going to walk into Nick Saban's office and say, you got to do this.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 You got to do that.

Speaker 7 I mean, Nick would tell him to go pound salt.

Speaker 7 I mean,

Speaker 7 if it was going to take away from them having the ability to win.

Speaker 7 But you know that goes on all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. Well, coach, it's been awesome.
Everyone go listen to Beyond the Playbook. Again, we'll link to it.
It's coming out soon.

Speaker 1 Love catching up with you. We're going to do numbers now.
You want to guess a number?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We got the lottery ball machine. One through 99.
One through 99.

Speaker 7 Oh, hundreds in there.

Speaker 1 Hundreds in there. It is.
I'm going to guess 26.

Speaker 1 What's your guess? 10. If you get that right, that would be incredible.

Speaker 12 25.

Speaker 2 39.

Speaker 1 69. 69

Speaker 1 for memes.

Speaker 2 Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, you don't get anything if you win.

Speaker 1 I should.

Speaker 1 12.

Speaker 1 Oh, 12. Very close.
That's a good quarterback number. That's a great quarterback.

Speaker 7 I was closest, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you were. So you win satisfaction.

Speaker 2 What do I win? Satisfaction. Congratulations.

Speaker 1 That's a crock of shit.

Speaker 1 All right. Thanks, Coach.

Speaker 7 We appreciate it. Bye, fellas.

Speaker 7 Talking away.

Speaker 7 I don't know what

Speaker 7 to say. I'd say it anyway.

Speaker 7 Today's a mile day to find you shy

Speaker 7 away.

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Speaker 7 Take

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Speaker 7 me.

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Speaker 7 on.

Speaker 7 I'll I'll be

Speaker 7 gone

Speaker 7 to

Speaker 7 needless to say

Speaker 7 I'm out of sentence,

Speaker 7 but be still

Speaker 7 a little way.

Speaker 7 Tell the learner that life is okay.

Speaker 7 Say after me,

Speaker 7 it's no better to be safe than sorry.

Speaker 7 Take

Speaker 7 on

Speaker 7 me,

Speaker 7 take

Speaker 7 me

Speaker 7 off.

Speaker 7 I'll be

Speaker 7 gone

Speaker 7 in a dark day.

Speaker 7 All the things that you say

Speaker 7 is in the light bulb.

Speaker 7 Just a flame of worries away.

Speaker 7 You're all things I've got to remember.

Speaker 7 You shine away.

Speaker 7 I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 7 Take

Speaker 7 on

Speaker 7 me.

Speaker 7 Take

Speaker 7 me

Speaker 7 up

Speaker 7 I'll be

Speaker 7 gone

Speaker 7 in a

Speaker 7 day