Mark Titus, Justin Thomas Wins The PGA & NBA/NHL Playoffs

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, our good friend Mark Titus in studio. Catching up with him, talking a little hoops, talking a little content, talking everything with him.
Hadn't seen him in a few months.

Speaker 1 We have a PGA championship that was thrilling overtime.

Speaker 1 Playoff holes. I guess playoff holes is what you call it, whatever, golf nerds, I don't care.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk that. We have Celtics Heat, which is, let's just say Hank is in a foul mood.
Who's back of the week?

Speaker 1 And then we'll talk a little hockey on the other side of Mark Titus, as well as the Mazverse Warriors before we get to all of that.

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Speaker 1 Today is Monday, May 23rd, and Justin Thomas is back on top. What a PGA championship.

Speaker 7 It was an awesome awesome finish.

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 7 It was great. Now, the field going into Sunday didn't look that strong.
It looked like it might be kind of a boring one for all the golf casuals out there.

Speaker 4 Not us.

Speaker 7 Not us. Not real, what do you call it? Dimpleheads? Dimpleheads.
Not real dimple heads like me and Big Cat.

Speaker 1 We're Course monsters.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we did root for the Course, and the Course. I'll say this about the Course.

Speaker 7 It had almost a Robert Ory type showing where it was like solid, not spectacular, but it came through in the clutch when it counted. Yeah.
On that, on the 18th hole, you had Mito Pereira from Chile

Speaker 7 teeing off. And it was, he, he turned into Charles Barkley on the 18th hole.
It was crazy watching his drive. He just, he spazzed out in the middle of the swing.

Speaker 1 It was also...

Speaker 1 We were all, I think, everyone who was watching was rooting for the same thing because the PGA Championship has a three-hole playoff.

Speaker 1 We were rooting for him to bogey so that then there's a three-man, three-hole playoff.

Speaker 1 He just went completely off the reservation, hit it into the water, then hit it, I think, into the, maybe in the Sarah, over the green, then another one, like all over the place, total disaster.

Speaker 1 I don't know how you mentally can ever come back from something like that. I know that sounds extreme, but you're leading by one, and you were leading basically all day.

Speaker 1 Essentially, everyone, no one wanted to win this tournament. That's why you get Justin Thomas coming back from seven strokes down to start the day.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Mito Pereira, I mean, I guess the only solace you can have is like he still won $800,000.

Speaker 7 That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 He lost like $1.3 million on that hole.

Speaker 7 It just occurred to me that, like, as a Chilean, he would be very, very close to the water at all times. Yes.
That's kind of a tradition that they have there. Yes.
Now, he did,

Speaker 7 he does have the fact that it's not the worst 18th hole meltdown in the history of the majors. Correct.
That will forever be Vandevelt, the French guy that ended up taking off his socks at the time.

Speaker 1 Trying to hit out of the water. Yeah, that was.
Trying to be Jesus Christ. That was awesome.

Speaker 7 I wish that Mito had tried to do that. Me too.
That would have been incredible. Wait, that was kind of

Speaker 1 me me too. Me too.

Speaker 7 He got Me Too'd. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He got me too. He's just the Chilean Mike Pereira.
I guess. Yeah.
That's the whole thing. The whole time I was like, okay, well, cool.
I know how to pronounce his name.

Speaker 1 It's a football.

Speaker 7 So Justin Thomas wins. I didn't realize this.
I always knew it was the Wanamaker trophy, which is a great trophy, I think. I think that's the one that got broken a couple of years ago.
Yes.

Speaker 7 By Morakawa.

Speaker 1 I believe so.

Speaker 7 So not only do you get a nice purse, you get all those exemptions into like basically every tournament for five years, but you also get the money clip.

Speaker 7 You get like the PGA champions money clip when you win this, and that's the most golf thing ever to be like, hey, we're giving you so much money that part of the trophy is going to be something that you can use to keep all the money together with.

Speaker 7 Yes. I think the real MVP was the guy that was standing next to the T-Box on the 18th hole and he yelled, smash the driver.
He was like, smash the driver at Mito.

Speaker 7 There's no, why would you ever hit driver?

Speaker 1 I don't know on the 18th if you're Mito. You saw it.

Speaker 1 Basically, we had the same exact thing happen in the playoff where Wills Aleatoris and Justin Thomas Justin Thomas with the insane drove the green in a par four in the second hole of the playoff.

Speaker 1 Then he gets up to 18, same spot, up by one. And he was like, okay, I'm not going to screw this up.
Like, I think he, I maybe. No, he had to.
No, he did actually. He had driver.

Speaker 1 It was Will who actually hit the

Speaker 1 didn't hit driver. He had 18 there.
Yeah. But yeah, Justin Thomas was like, fuck it.
Yeah, the commenters were like, that's what. Meeto should have done.

Speaker 1 When Will hit his tree wood, it's like, damn, still throwing salt in. But yeah, why would you? because that guy was so convincing?

Speaker 7 If you go back and you listen to the replay, as he's walking up to the 18th seed, there's this one guy, this drunk Tulson, just screaming at the top of his lungs, smash the driver.

Speaker 7 And then you hear a woman from the other side go, no, don't.

Speaker 1 Play it safe.

Speaker 7 Play it safe. And the guy's like, no, smash it.
And he's like, you know what? That guy won the argument. I'm going to go with him.

Speaker 1 Brutal, brutal. I mean, man.

Speaker 1 Absolutely brutal. I also love short par fours.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 So that's what really won the tournament for JT was when he drove the green on the short par four.

Speaker 1 And maybe now Alabama gets a little smoke off of Sabin because Justin Thomas, this does count as a championship for Alabama. That's a good point.
I also have an MVP. It is golf writer for

Speaker 1 ESPN. His name is Kevin Van Valkenberg.
Oh, yeah, I like Kevin. Yep.

Speaker 1 I do too, I think. I don't know.
But he wrote an article on Saturday after McElroy and Justin Thomas had a bad Saturday, and he was talking about how they basically,

Speaker 1 another opportunity has passed them by.

Speaker 1 And he wrote, both McElroy and Thomas grew up idolizing Woods, Tiger Woods, if you don't know, especially the way he climbed the leaderboard on days like this one at Southern Hills.

Speaker 1 He did it even when he didn't have his best stuff. Both men were mentored by Woods early in their careers and are among a small circle of players who can call the 15-time major winner a friend.

Speaker 1 But what has become apparent watching them is that Woods could not pass down the ruthlessness that ran through him like an electric current, particularly in majors.

Speaker 1 He passed along strategy, uh, strategy secrets and occasional bits of swing theory, but he could not hand over the cold-blooded ferociousness that helped him dominate the sport.

Speaker 1 It uh, and so he basically was like, Yeah, these guys stink. They're not Tiger Woods.
And then Justin Thomas goes and has a seven-stroke comeback to win the tournament in a playoff.

Speaker 1 I mean, he played awesome on story.

Speaker 7 Awesome. Justin Thomas was really, really good.

Speaker 1 It was very quickly that a storyline of these guys don't have like that killer edge out the winner.

Speaker 1 Now, Rory, you could say the same for, for, or you could still say it, because he's been very disappointing with what you saw on Thursday, where he kicked the shit out of everyone.

Speaker 1 Rory is now officially, when he has his best, he can't be beat. His best, but his best doesn't come out like consistently enough.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's like a great pitcher. When he's on his stuff, when the humidity is just right, Rory's unbeatable.
But yeah, I'd like to see Rory get back involved.

Speaker 7 I feel like he's playing good golf right now.

Speaker 1 I was rooting for

Speaker 1 years, right? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He played well. the Masters.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he's playing better than he has in like the last four years, three years.

Speaker 1 I can't confidently speak on that.

Speaker 7 I've just seen his name.

Speaker 1 I've seen his name more.

Speaker 1 Hank, is he striking the ball better than he has? No idea.

Speaker 2 He was hitting long drivers in the beginning of the year.

Speaker 1 I know he played great on Thursday. He did have that last round at the Masters.
Rory's,

Speaker 1 I think he's become like a backdoor cover guy for top fives. Like he shows up on Sundays when he's out and he comes back in.
But yeah, yeah, he's striking the ball well.

Speaker 7 I'm going to place a hefty bet on Rory in the Open Championship. Beautiful.
I feel like that's where...

Speaker 7 I'm just going to say it's in Northern Ireland this year. So it's Rory's home course.

Speaker 1 By the way, shout out the PGA Championship for moving their championship up because it does feel more important now. Remember, you always be four? Yeah, at the end.
And everyone's like, oh, who cares?

Speaker 1 End of the summer. Like, it doesn't matter.
This one actually felt like a major.

Speaker 1 I think that they should.

Speaker 7 I love what the U.S. Open used to do.
I don't know if they still do it with their their overtime, as you said at the start of the show. They do like an entire day's worth, like an 18-hole playoff.

Speaker 7 Which that was incredible when it was Tiger Woods and

Speaker 7 Morocco Mediate back in like 2008, 2009. That day in the office,

Speaker 7 that right there is the most counterproductive office day of all time across America. I would imagine.
Like everyone that works in cubicle.

Speaker 1 Yeah, tournament.

Speaker 7 No, this is, I think that was bigger than the tournament because it's like everybody was watching all day long.

Speaker 1 I don't think College.

Speaker 7 I mean, come on, it's the NSA NSA tournament.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I mean,

Speaker 7 think about white-collar workers in cubicles, Tiger Woods in the playoff all day.

Speaker 1 All watching tournament. All day.

Speaker 7 That one day, I think, would dwarf the tournament. So I actually don't know where the open channel.
Oh, it's at the old course this year.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's, yeah, fuck it. It's Rory's home course.
So let's all bet on Rory in the open.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's playing great golf. He's playing great golf.
I was going to say

Speaker 1 it really felt like a major because they moved it up minus the part where Max Homa finished top 20. That part didn't feel like a major because we were like, What the hell? What is he doing here?

Speaker 7 He shot perfectly even. Yeah, I think it's time that we, as a podcast, have to acknowledge that Max is good.

Speaker 1 No, this is, I actually texted him.

Speaker 7 He's just good at golf.

Speaker 1 I texted him, congratulations. This is part of the baby steps we talked to him about.
He made the cut at the Masters, then we said, You got to start finishing like top 20.

Speaker 1 Then, like, by next year, he's going to win every major. I'm fully confident in that.
And let's just say it, he had to deal with the sniffles all weekend. He had allergies.

Speaker 1 And I mean, I've never seen anything as heroic as that. I know people were talking about Tiger, who made the cut, let's just say, when he shot bad on Saturday.
And then, like, Tiger's good.

Speaker 1 Tiger's good at his spin zones. He's good at controlling the narrative.
Everyone's like, this guy, how is he walking? How does he make a cut? And then he shoots horrendous on Saturday and pulls out.

Speaker 1 And everyone's like. I'm just so thankful

Speaker 1 he even gave us three days.

Speaker 7 I think what happened was Tiger pulled out because he had the sniffles and he couldn't battle through the sniffles. Max made the sniffles his bitch.
He shot a perfect perfect even par.

Speaker 8 So this was Max's best finish at a major, tied for 13th. And if he just makes the cut at the U.S.
Open in Massachusetts this summer, he'll officially have made the cut at all four majors.

Speaker 1 I was very proud of him.

Speaker 1 That's the max slam. Yeah, like a max slam.
Making the cut at all four in your career. I was very proud of him.
It was big for him. And our guy, Will Zalatoris, came up short, sucked.

Speaker 1 He's one of those guys that, you know, speaking as, what do we call ourselves? Dimpleheads.

Speaker 1 We know golf better than anyone. As soon as he figures out his putter, he's going to win every major.

Speaker 7 And by figures out his putter, you mean like gets a putter, gets a better putter. I think his, like, watching his putting stroke,

Speaker 7 whenever he pulls it back, it like shakes.

Speaker 7 It goes, I don't think that you're supposed to do that. I think it's supposed to go straight back and straight forward.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yes, that's what we're taught. I mean, we're all so

Speaker 1 prudence of the game.

Speaker 1 I think he,

Speaker 1 was there like a right-to-left putt that he had? And Jim Nance said something like, oh, there's that right-to-left he struggles with. It's like, wait, isn't that like half the time?

Speaker 1 50% of the shots, ideally, yeah. What the fuck? So

Speaker 7 the total field was 156 players at the PGA. Max had 157 because he was fighting his own body.
Correct. So I'd say like Max is the real winner of this weekend.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 I actually am legitimately, no bullshit aside, proud of him. And I'm saying that because he actually hit a birdie on 18 that pushed his head to head with the guy he was playing with.

Speaker 1 And if he had missed that, I would be full Max Slander right now. Yeah, I would have been

Speaker 1 calling him the biggest bum in the world. So he saved himself with his play.
Good job, Max.

Speaker 7 How much did that last putt earn, Max?

Speaker 1 Probably a decent amount. Probably about 100K, I would guess.

Speaker 8 Tied for 13th, $253,750.

Speaker 1 So, wait, that's how much he would have lost if he had not.

Speaker 8 If he missed it, the next was tied for 20th, it was 191.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, like

Speaker 1 $60,000. Huge.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Good job, Max.

Speaker 8 Also, I believe every golfer who's been on this podcast made the cut.

Speaker 8 Brooks made the cut. Colin Morakowa made the cut.

Speaker 1 Ricky?

Speaker 2 Never get to any respect.

Speaker 4 He did not get respect.

Speaker 1 Ricky made the cut. All right.

Speaker 8 He made the cut. And then Team BMW, Brooks, Maxwell, Justin Donald.

Speaker 1 Brooks is still injured. I know that like Brooks is

Speaker 1 covering it. He was covering it.
He wasn't there. He was actually, I saw him.
He was covering it for ESPN. So I believe everyone was in the case of the cut.
So he made the cut. He was there on Sunday.

Speaker 7 He made the cut. The most fun fact about this golf course was that Whitey Bolger had a guy killed in the parking lot one time.

Speaker 1 Oh, that is a fun fact.

Speaker 7 It's kind of crazy. That is very fun fact.
And you ever hear about the mob out in Oklahoma? And I was trying to figure out why you don't, like, no one talks about the oil mob.

Speaker 7 It's just because the mobsters that ran oil ended up just becoming oil businessmen, and they wrote all the laws to make everything they did completely legal. Right, right.
So it is the mob. Right.

Speaker 1 It's, yeah, it's a legalized mob. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was good. It was fun.
It was good. The playoff was great.
More playoffs. Overtime, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 1 Should we talk about the Celtics in the Heat series? Because

Speaker 1 there's one Henry Lockwood in here who's had quite a change of tune in the last 24 hours.

Speaker 1 Actually, no, because we were eating dinner tonight and he said the Celtics have played better than the Heat in every single one of the games. If you go by one time, it's all quarters.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you go by quarters. He is.

Speaker 1 And I still, I mean, I predicted this series was going to go seven. I think it's going to go back and forth like this.
I don't think that

Speaker 1 I'm not going to be a prisoner of the moment and say the Celtics are done in any way.

Speaker 2 Let's start with this hank uh what was your ring range of emotions when not only marcus smart but jason tatum both were out for the year for 10 minutes marcus smart that happens once a game for your for the last eight years of his career so that wasn't anything normal it's like he's gonna be up he's gonna get up he's gonna be fine when tatum went down i said it i was like season's over i almost tweeted it like thanks for coming out good season good run what could have been he looks like he's dead he went to the locker room i thought his shoulder was pulled out like he was gonna have you know have surgery that was gonna have no chance of him being back back within like eight weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then when he came back, it was hype.

Speaker 1 It was awesome.

Speaker 2 It was a great moment. Great, you know, great theater for the, for the people of Boston that were at the game when Smart came out and Tatum came back.

Speaker 1 Two Willis Reed moments.

Speaker 7 I was going to say it's like building the entire team out of Ben Rofflisburg. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The problem with Tatum is that he came back when they were down one.

Speaker 2 Like it seemed like everything was going their way and then it just all fell apart again. So I don't know that they should have even put him back in.

Speaker 7 Because Max Struss showed up. That's what happened.
Max Struce, I think, is he, I'm going to put him as the most important player. No, Udonis.
Udonis first. Yeah,

Speaker 7 the most important player besides Udonis Aslam is Max Struce, because like it did look like they were going to lose that game, and they were up by one point, and then Max was just like, give me the fucking ball.

Speaker 7 I'm going to shoot this three. And then from that point on, I was like, okay, that game's over.
Whereas if you missed that three, Celtics get the rebound, they take the lead. I think the game's over.

Speaker 7 I think the Celtics win that game.

Speaker 1 Hank said they should have won.

Speaker 1 Well, they did win.

Speaker 1 But then I reminded him that Jimmy Butler didn't play the second half. He's like, yeah, that's the same thing.
That's why they should have been playing.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 With Jimmy Butler not playing, they should have won that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but the first quarter does count. It does.
And the first half counts. All quarters counts.
All quarters counts. They've won 10 of them.
All quarters matter. Yeah.
That's pretty honest.

Speaker 2 And the Celtics have won 10 of them, which to me means that they're the better teams.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but you were talking shit about 83% earlier in these playoffs. You were like, well, that means that's

Speaker 7 17% chance that it doesn't happen. And you were betting on those teams.
Now the curse of the 17% is coming back at you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, listen, the Celtics have to win today, tonight, Monday night, even series. They're the better team, best out of three.
They can win that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so Hank on Friday when I went to Rough and Rowdy was talking like he was

Speaker 1 co-servants. It's a five-game series.
It's over.

Speaker 1 Watching this game, the biggest takeaway for me, well, there's two takeaways. One, the Celtics were just so sloppy with the ball.

Speaker 4 They've been sloppy with the ball.

Speaker 1 Like 26 turnovers is insane. Two, Bam Adebayo, if you're a Heat fan,

Speaker 1 you got to be so frustrated with that guy because he's so goddamn good. And then he just decided on Saturday night because Jimmy actually said, like, I need to look for my teammates more.

Speaker 1 I need some more help. They even said, like, they echoed it.
Tyler Harrow and Bam were saying, like, we need to help him more. He shot 15 for 22.
He was unstoppable.

Speaker 1 And then you look back, games one and two, he had 10 shots total. He basically decided, like, when he wants to decide to be like a huge mismatch and a game changer, he can do it.

Speaker 1 And then there's games where he's like, no, I'm just going to stand kind of in no man's land and pass the ball.

Speaker 7 I'm going to do the thing where I tell you why Bam's game wasn't actually that great. He only shot one foul shot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was really good.

Speaker 7 I need my big men to get to the line a little bit more often.

Speaker 1 He came out and was on fire and basically was the reason why they started so hot.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 should we talk about Peyton Pritchard a little bit? Do you think that was, do you disavow?

Speaker 7 Disavow what? He broke the code.

Speaker 1 Peyton Pritchard grabbing Jimmy Butler by the knee.

Speaker 7 He grabbed his knee. Grabbed the inside of his knee.

Speaker 8 I'm glad someone in the media is going to talk about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, you think you alerted to us, Jake.
We had no idea. That's a heat disrespect.
Bad part on our part.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's you're grasping at straws. It's a physical game.
Guys are getting physical. You know, bodies are going to bump into each other.
He was going for the ball.

Speaker 1 He was unfortunate that Jimmy Butler got hurt.

Speaker 2 I wish he didn't get hurt.

Speaker 1 It was great when Hank looked at the replay and he just stared at it for an extra like 30 seconds, trying to be like, how am I going to get myself out of this one?

Speaker 7 He kept replaying it, being like, maybe it'll show up differently this time he just went too there's only one angle and it's like a blurry angle it's not really maybe

Speaker 1 that's why people aren't talking about it because there's nothing to talk about jake what are what are what are your thoughts on jason tatum and the game he had it was just super super sloppy the him and him and jalen brown jalen brown had a good game but the

Speaker 2 my biggest issue or like when i woke up today and i was sad i was like what the fuck i can't believe we lost that game i can't believe we lost the first game is like we are the better team in my mind.

Speaker 2 I know I keep saying that. I know you guys are pushing back, but we are the better team in my mind.

Speaker 2 And if we lose the series, and it's going to be because of sloppy turnovers and just like dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, doi-doy plays, and not because of like, you know, Jimmy Butler taking over, the Heat having a better strategy or whatever.

Speaker 2 It's like the Celtics are beating the Celtics.

Speaker 1 So I don't, I think you're the better team, but I don't think it's that big of a difference, is where I would land. 10 out of 12.
Like, I think this is 10 out of 12 quarters. You're right.

Speaker 1 I think the Heat are like a slight notch below in terms of overall talent, but they also play really good defense and they're very well coached. So

Speaker 1 that can even it out right there.

Speaker 7 Also, Hank, it's not 10 out of 12. It's 9-1-1.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think more than 10%. Oh, no, sorry, 9-0.
9-1-1.

Speaker 7 They tied the third quarter of last night's game.

Speaker 2 My mistake.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is a mistake. Jake, what are you thinking? Over? Series over? No, no.

Speaker 8 I'm just glad all the players are okay.

Speaker 4 Hopefully.

Speaker 1 It's dreamed about Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 8 I'm glad Jason Tatum and Marcus Smart made it back to the court.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
We want to touch and go for a series.

Speaker 2 I was going for the ball when I went after Jake, and everyone's coming at me. Peyton Critcher was going after the ball when Jimmy Butler got hurt.
Everyone's coming after him.

Speaker 2 It's like, what's up to do?

Speaker 1 This is your fault.

Speaker 2 No, it's your fault.

Speaker 1 No. Yes.
Your fault.

Speaker 2 You created the game. Right.

Speaker 1 You were the one who was. You actually started the game.
No. I changed the role.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I said Bench Press.

Speaker 1 You said ball sacked. I wasn't thinking about games.
You started the game affocation of the live stream. I then took it to where it went.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's just great producing on my end. But

Speaker 2 you're the one that said if someone loses, they get nut tapped, and you get to choose who nut taps you. Ipso de facto, Jake loses.

Speaker 1 Is that Italian?

Speaker 1 So I blame you. I blame you.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I do not take that blame.

Speaker 7 Hank, here's a closer-up view of the grab.

Speaker 7 This one's much closer. You can see exactly what happened.
He's on the ground. Butler's got the ball, drives, and just grabs his knee and pulls it back.

Speaker 7 It was just a good tackle.

Speaker 1 Some outsport he was playing.

Speaker 1 You're not going to lie. I think the Celtics are going to kill them in game four.
There you go. Kill? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so actually, here's why.

Speaker 1 I actually think we

Speaker 1 should we maybe apologize to Bob Ryan about the three-point rule and him saying it's ruined basketball? Because I went and looked it up.

Speaker 1 I had a thought after watching the first half on Saturday night where the Heat were just demolishing the Celtics. And I was like, have these playoffs been like that great?

Speaker 1 Because I know there's been some drama. I look back.

Speaker 1 There have been more games that have been won by double digits than games that have won by less than double digits.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's what it felt like to me. Like there's some series that go back and forth, but even in the ones that go back and forth, it's blowouts.

Speaker 1 It's 38 games have been decided by double digits. 20 of those have been 20 points plus, and 36 games have been 10 points or less without talking about this game tonight that's going on.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about it after Titus. And it's essentially like which team just hits their threes in a given night.
It's the variance of each team's going to shoot a lot of threes.

Speaker 1 If your team makes all the threes, they win by 10 plus. If they don't, they lose by 10 plus.

Speaker 7 I guess it was a little bit different because like I think the Celtics shot like 40% almost from three last night. They shot better than the Heat did from three.
Right.

Speaker 1 If you don't extend it, the second half they came back.

Speaker 7 That one was more about like, like you guys were talking about, the turnovers, the weird, like they just, they try to run a quasi-fast break often sometimes, but you have to be able to complete two passes.

Speaker 7 Right. And they're not able to do that.

Speaker 1 But game two was essentially like, you know, the Celtics won by 20, and they shot 50% from three. Right? Like,

Speaker 1 that was game two. What did they shoot game one? I think it was terrible from three.
It's essentially, do you make your threes?

Speaker 1 I know this is an oversimplification, but it, yeah, they shot 32% from three in game one, 50% in game two. There's the difference between winning by 10 and losing by 10.

Speaker 1 Again, this is probably oversimplifying it, but there is a feeling of like, you just watch the NBA on a night tonight, and I don't want the weirdos to come out of the woodwork and be like, these, you know, the NBA sucks.

Speaker 1 No weirdos. I love the NBA, but you can make the argument that you turn on the game and it's just, will one team hit all their threes tonight? Okay, game over.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, it's been like that the last couple years. Right.

Speaker 1 Steph Curry.

Speaker 7 Right. People tried to match what Steph Curry and the Warriors were doing, and you really can't do that unless you are Steph Curry.

Speaker 1 And I was just thinking about how many games I've watched, and I feel like it's been over

Speaker 1 from the beginning.

Speaker 1 There have been a couple memorable, memorable games. You know, the Bucs Celtic series felt like it had a few.

Speaker 7 Grizz, Timberwolves.

Speaker 1 Grizz Timberwolves had a few. And actually, the Grizzlies Warriors had a couple games.
Those were some blowouts, too. I just, I don't know.
Something to think about. Something to throw out there.

Speaker 1 Again, I don't want it to become a rallying cry for the anti-NBA people because I like the NBA and I like watching basketball.

Speaker 1 I just was, it popped in my head when I was watching the games on Saturday night.

Speaker 7 I'm curious to know from our own Mr. 305, Jake.
Jake, you got the pulse of Miami right now.

Speaker 1 You do. You stand up for the city of Miami.

Speaker 7 When I think Miami, I think Jake Marsh.

Speaker 1 So Jake. Boca, Lauderdale, Weston, Weston,

Speaker 1 Miami.

Speaker 7 How confident are we right now?

Speaker 7 I feel like the heat are starting to get that respect that you guys have been asking for.

Speaker 1 No, they're not. No.

Speaker 8 Everyone's talking about what Hank said, how the Celtics blew that opportunity. No one's saying, oh, the Heat thought their best player held on and won a road game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I thought the Heat had a great game plan when they played very good defense on Saturday night. They deserved to win that game.

Speaker 7 I feel like PJ Tucker has been on the Heat his entire life, even though he has to.

Speaker 1 He should have. He should have.

Speaker 7 He's played for everywhere else. I think he's been all over the world.
But he feels like a guy that's just like, he is heat culture right now.

Speaker 8 I agree. These teams are pretty evenly matched.

Speaker 1 So would I love the Heat to be up 3-1?

Speaker 8 Sure.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 8 from the beginning, I thought this was going at least 6 or 7. I think if the heat win tomorrow, they'll close the deal at home.

Speaker 7 Also, just to clean something out, and Hank's giving Jake a death stare.

Speaker 1 Hank, when you said earlier,

Speaker 1 again,

Speaker 8 he was looking at his phone.

Speaker 4 Thank you, Jake. Very cool.

Speaker 7 When you said earlier that it's going to be a best of three series, you mean they win the next one, and then after that, it's a best of three series.

Speaker 2 I mean, this is, once again, selective PFT, false narrative comment.

Speaker 1 Oh, I mean, I heard what you said.

Speaker 1 Yes, the beginning of the sentence was win tomorrow, then it's a best of three okay got it the beginning of that was saying that we have to win tomorrow got it i think you then i don't think after that i don't think it was it will be a best of three it wasn't an if-then statement it was like win tomorrow it's a best of three yeah that's the plan what about win that's what i'm thinking about what about win the next two and then all you got to do is win one of two you just got to focus on the next game big cat you know that but then the best of three if we win tomorrow then it will be a best of three did you see the jermaine o'neal clip by the way um jake of heat culture he was talking about heat culture and I guess, like, the heat.

Speaker 1 I'm sure most NBA teams do this, but the heat, you know, make their players stay below a certain percentage in body fat. And he said that the reason why he didn't resign with them, he said,

Speaker 1 I remember going into the pantry at night, looking at the Oreos, the Oreos looking at me, and I was like, bro, I'm 30-plus years old. I can't go through this.

Speaker 1 Not heat culture. Takes a lot.
Yeah. I kind of respect that.
I like the Oreos looking back at him. It's true.

Speaker 7 Once you reach a certain age, you're like, you know what? This treat is going to taste better than any percentage body fat could ever feel.

Speaker 1 Right. I can't.

Speaker 1 They can't do this.

Speaker 7 They always say if you're like on a diet, it's like nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. That entirely flips once you reach your 30s.
And it's like, no, being skinny actually doesn't feel good.

Speaker 1 A moment on the lips, forever on the hips. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fuck that shit. Eat what you want.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 are we going to, we're not going to stream Monday night. Maybe Wednesday night? I don't know.
We got to figure that out. Is it Wednesday or Thursday?

Speaker 8 No, Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Whoa.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, because we're, we're so Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, because we're going to obviously be Memorial Day weekend. So maybe we'll do a Wednesday because

Speaker 1 we won't have any other games that we'll be around for. That will be, you know, game five will be very important because it'll be 2-2.
Yeah. According to Hank.

Speaker 7 At that point, it's like whoever wins that, then they only have to win one of the next two. Correct.

Speaker 1 This is just simple math, folks. We're just doing math.
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Speaker 1 Okay, who's back of the the week? Hank.

Speaker 1 Who's back of the week is Footey. Yeah, Sokka.

Speaker 2 The lads. This is

Speaker 2 more maybe an explain to Hank, even though you guys know I'm a big soccer guy. I love the pitch.
Yeah. But today,

Speaker 2 it seemed like it was

Speaker 2 the Premier League's version of Red Zone. Yes.

Speaker 1 Why don't they do this all the time?

Speaker 7 Because it's the last Sunday. It's the last week, the last games of the year for the entire league.

Speaker 1 So every team played? Yeah, so at any exact time.

Speaker 7 So the way that they crown their winner is through the regular season. That's who wins the EPL.

Speaker 7 So on the last day, it's like they play them all at the exact same time so that no teams are doing any like gamesmanship of, oh, this team tied earlier. We have to do this.
We have to do that.

Speaker 1 They do kind of do that in the NFL now.

Speaker 1 Where they, you know, we'll make everyone play at one o'clock that doesn't have the same, that can't impact the four o'clock game.

Speaker 1 So they do something similar, but it was awesome because the Man City won the league. They were down 2-0.
They had to win the game to win the league because Liverpool was winning or was about to win.

Speaker 1 And they scored three goals in five minutes to win 3-2 and win the entire league.

Speaker 2 Did you see the manager celebration?

Speaker 1 He was great. Yeah, it was a double fist.

Speaker 1 And it was actually a bonus

Speaker 1 whammy because Stephen Girard, who is the manager of Villa, who they were playing,

Speaker 1 is a Liverpool legend. So if his team had held on and tied Man City, Liverpool would have won the league, which he never did.

Speaker 7 It was a double fuck off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So he got screwed twice.

Speaker 1 That's brutal.

Speaker 7 Oh, wait. So they departed amicably.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So he's a legend at Liverpool, but he never won the league, and then he wasn't even able to win the league for Liverpool by managing another team to a draw. Right, right.

Speaker 7 And now, I think it's like a week from now, Liverpool plays for the UEFA Champions League title. Yes.
So it ruined their opportunities

Speaker 7 to win all four. So there's like four major trophies you can win, and Liverpool could have done that, but it got snatched by Man City.
Yes. the city for men.

Speaker 2 Now they're playing for another one in two weeks.

Speaker 1 Once you understand it, once you understand it, it actually is kind of a cool system. It's

Speaker 1 hard, it's very hard. All the major leagues, right? So, so the

Speaker 1 EPL, if you finish top four in the league, you are now in the Champions League the next year, which is all the best teams in Europe play in a tournament throughout the year.

Speaker 1 If you finish fifth, you're in Europa, which is the Thursday games. Shout out troops.
Remember how he watches like the shitty league on Thursdays? He's going going to do that again.

Speaker 1 Were they close? They were close. They lost in a heartbreaker midweek that ruined it for him.

Speaker 1 Either way, Liverpool now is going to be playing for the Champions League, which is probably, it's what everyone is like going for because that is the championship of Europe.

Speaker 1 You're the champions of Europe. You're the best team across Europe.
So you're playing against Spanish teams, German teams, Italian teams, whatever.

Speaker 1 So that's the prize, although the EPL title is very nice as well.

Speaker 7 They say that the EPL title

Speaker 7 is the hardest one to win because it's like the full season long. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Now, some people will probably be like, well, no, the UEFA Champions League is harder to win because you have to play against all the best teams in Europe.

Speaker 7 But I heard one guy with a British accent say that was the hardest one to do. So that's what I'm going to go with.

Speaker 1 I mean, it is pretty hard. Yeah, you got to win the

Speaker 1 regular season. It's a full season award, yeah.
Yeah, and you play each team home and away, which is kind of cool.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's, once you can grasp it, it is kind of a cool league, how they have it set up.

Speaker 2 Not to rub,

Speaker 2 just for context, I'm not even trying to troll here, but Swansea would have to get unrelegated into the EPL.

Speaker 1 And if they finished top four, then they could get in chase. They'll never do that.
Correct. Top four.
Let's just get unrelegated, which is promotion.

Speaker 7 But there was also an American storyline. Yes.
Because the coach of Leeds, he came in like halfway through the season. Correct.
He's an American. His name's Jesse Marsh.
He's from Wisconsin.

Speaker 7 He's from, is it racing? Yep. He's from Racing.
He's from Coron Butler. Racing, Wisconsin.

Speaker 7 And he came in and he managed Leeds to, I think they finished like three, three, and four or some bullshit like that to end the season but they were gonna be they were gonna be relegated yeah and

Speaker 7 D unpromoted yeah yeah he's a footy coach yeah and he they scored with like they scored with no time

Speaker 1 he's Ted Lasso they scored with no time left it was incredible

Speaker 7 it was great drama it's funny because he's the I I read somewhere that he he's the American that has managed an English team to its highest result at the end of a season in the history of the EPL and it's like wait like barely not getting relegated yeah that's that's the best that we've done

Speaker 7 that's big for us, though. But yeah, it is Ted Lasso.

Speaker 1 And shout out Sunderland, who got promoted from the second league to the

Speaker 1 championship league,

Speaker 1 which is the second league. Yeah.
They got promoted.

Speaker 7 The championship league.

Speaker 1 That's what Swansea's in. Yeah.
They were in the third league. There's actually a great documentary on Netflix.
Everyone should watch it about Sunderland. But they were the third league.

Speaker 1 They got promoted to the second league. So next year they're going to try to get back to the first league, which is cool.
That system is awesome.

Speaker 1 That system, it will never happen in America because the part of the system that everyone, when everyone on Twitter will be like, why don't we have relegation in American sports?

Speaker 1 You forget the part that no business owner is ever going to want to risk having their team.

Speaker 1 Like, could you imagine going to Jerry Jones and be like, hey, if Dak Prescott gets hurt and you win two games, you're not in the NFL anymore. Yeah, he's not going to sign up for that.

Speaker 7 Should do it in college sports.

Speaker 1 Yeah. With the major conferences.

Speaker 7 And there's too much money involved.

Speaker 1 Right, exactly. No one will ever agree to it, but it is a very cool thing that you can basically climb the ladder and have a rags to riches story within the league.

Speaker 7 What do you do if your team gets relegated? Because I feel like that's when you have a decision to make of,

Speaker 7 is it really worth it? Am I going to sweat out the next couple years in the derelegation league?

Speaker 1 Well, and the problem, too, is then players don't want to play for a team that's not in the EPL, so they ask to be transferred.

Speaker 1 It's a whole thing, but it's very cool. Very cool.
All right. And that was talking soccer.
That was talking soccer. Extended talking soccer.
I'm sure we've screwed some things up.

Speaker 1 And if we did, please send all complaints to Jake Marsh.

Speaker 7 My Who's Back of the Week, I got a couple. My first one is Martin Shkrelli.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Former guest, AWL.

Speaker 2 Get the band back together.

Speaker 7 Longtime Stoole. Martin Shkrelli.
The farmer bro is out of prison. He completed all of his instructional courses.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Timeout. Why are we calling it timeout?

Speaker 1 Jake is diarrhea. Jake, yeah.
He's diarrhea. Jake never walks out.
I just realized that.

Speaker 1 He said that his stomach was getting shredded by the cheesesteak we had.

Speaker 1 He's pooping right now.

Speaker 7 Lamar Jakeson. Where were you right now?

Speaker 1 Low-key. Yeah, low-key.
Lamar Jakeson.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he's low-key shitting his gourd out on the toilet.

Speaker 1 Where were you when you were listening to part of my take, and you realize at this very moment, Jake Marsh is probably sitting on the toilet going, oh, like

Speaker 1 a whimper slash cry.

Speaker 7 I'm going to FaceTime him.

Speaker 7 Lamar Jakeson.

Speaker 1 I didn't realize that he got up and left. I'm sorry to interrupt, but like that is, that's a big moment.
a professional.

Speaker 1 You think Joe Buck calling the Super Bowl would ever leave? No. No chance.

Speaker 7 No chance. He has, in fact, peed during a game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but Shkrelly is back. You pumped for that?

Speaker 7 Hang on, hang on. I'm not pumped yet because I'm going to FaceTime Jake Marsh.

Speaker 1 Hey, hey, Jake. We're waiting for you.
We stopped. We didn't realize.
Did you think the show was over? Are you in the kitchen?

Speaker 9 No, I told you the sandwich.

Speaker 1 Are you crying? No, i'll be there in a minute no just tell us your who's back

Speaker 9 my who's back is aroldist chapman blowing saves okay kind of like you're blowing your asshole out right now exactly shout out dude wife she's given up earned run and five straight starts and it's not good you say earned you say runs he's a starter

Speaker 1 i didn't know he started games oh wow

Speaker 1 That actually is a huge mistake Jake he said five straight games. No, he said starts.
Oh no, not I heard games. Oh, he did?

Speaker 1 Okay. Starts.
No, I said starts. I disavow myself trying to hop on Henry Lee.

Speaker 1 No, reaval. Reavow.

Speaker 1 We're going to go watch the tape. I think you see that one.
Sorry, I reavow. All right, bye, Jake.
It's appearances, Jake, just so you know.

Speaker 7 Double white.

Speaker 1 It's not starts when he comes in the ninth.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
That was Jake Marshall. Jake.
Marshall, who's back.

Speaker 7 But Martin Skrelly's out of prison. So we got to get the band back together.
They let him out. I think he was supposed to be in jail for like another two years, but he got off for good behavior.

Speaker 1 Happy for his cats.

Speaker 7 Very happy for his cats. He's probably just going to become an actual drug dealer now.

Speaker 1 Well, doesn't he have a girlfriend? Remember that story of the woman who fell in love with him?

Speaker 7 That happens all the time. Like, dudes go to prison for like the nastiest shit, and they just get girls that want to start dating them.
It's actually the best way.

Speaker 1 Like, if you're

Speaker 1 looking for a slump buster, bad boys.

Speaker 1 It's great.

Speaker 7 Like, you don't have to worry about doing all the stupid chores with him. Right.
I think this is actually an episode of Seinfeld where George dated a guy or a girl on the inside. Right.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 7 Conjugal visit sex must be pretty nice. But yeah, he's out, so we will have to get the band back together.
People forget he was on part of my take back in 2016.

Speaker 7 It got very contentious with him, and I think we started a band with Martin Skrelly. Yeah, we found

Speaker 1 all-time contentious.

Speaker 2 Maybe the most heated I've ever heard you, P.S.

Speaker 7 I think I told him I was going to like, I think I said I was going to eat his mom's clit like a hungry, hungry hippo. Like big bad booty daddy style.

Speaker 1 We don't say that name around here. It's Little Dick Booty Daddy now.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 So yeah, he's getting out of prison. Also, that dovetails in nicely with my other who's back.
Pup Punk is back. Nice.

Speaker 7 Because I can now announce, and the full announcement of this festival lineup is going to be made today, Monday, at 10 a.m. The Ocean's Calling Music Festival in Ocean City, Maryland.

Speaker 7 It's like a big deal. I've seen what the lineup's going to be.
I can't say the other acts, but it's like...

Speaker 7 17-year-old me would bust a nut going to this festival. It's a pretty solid lineup.

Speaker 2 Wait, when is the headliner for the day that you're playing going to be announced?

Speaker 1 It's all going to be announced today at 10 a.m. 10 a.m.

Speaker 1 I was sitting with you guys when it all came together.

Speaker 7 It's not. So I think it's running September 30th through October 2nd.
We're playing on that Saturday. Love it.

Speaker 7 And yeah, it should be a good time. So if you're in the Ocean City

Speaker 7 Maryland area, come down, check it out. Tickets go on sale on Wednesday, May 25th.
So that's this Wednesday. So it's going to be me, Roan,

Speaker 4 Robbie, Frankie, whole squad

Speaker 7 and Martin Skrelly playing there.

Speaker 1 You should get him all.

Speaker 7 You know what we should do?

Speaker 1 One song.

Speaker 7 He should DJ our set with the Wu-Tang. Oh, and Nick Hamilton, too.
Nick Hamilton playing rhythm guitar. But we should get Shkrelly on there DJing the Wu-Tang out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. That would be great.

Speaker 1 All right, my who's back is Joel Umbi. He won the MVP finally.

Speaker 1 So I love this story. The Philadelphia City Council passed a resolution naming Johan Bede most valuable Philadelphian.
Oh, wow. Yeah.
They literally, there's an actual document that lists it.

Speaker 1 That must be just a laundry list of

Speaker 1 I hope to God that they put this up as a banner in the Wells Fargo. I think it's the Wells Fargo Arena.

Speaker 1 I mean, it really is the cults' jokes come to life. Most valuable Philadelphian.

Speaker 7 Okay, so I'm looking it up right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, here we go.

Speaker 7 I think he's the first most valuable Philadelphian. He might be the inaugural.
I voted for Donchich, actually, on that one. I had Luca.

Speaker 1 I was Giannis for most valuable Philadelphia. Jake is back.

Speaker 7 Tell us how that went.

Speaker 8 Just made a poor decision eating-wise tonight. I went with the crowd.
I shouldn't have gone with the crowd.

Speaker 1 So, Jake,

Speaker 1 question for you.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you just got caught drinking. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mom, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Someone pulled out the rumple mints.

Speaker 1 We had a couple shots.

Speaker 1 Jake,

Speaker 1 18th hole today.

Speaker 1 Walking up. Justin Thomas is about to win the PGA championship.
Come back from seven strokes down.

Speaker 1 Jim Nance has the runs. Do you think he goes and takes a poop?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 I think you just answered that.

Speaker 7 I think we have to find you, Jake. I think you just answered that.

Speaker 1 A broadcaster leaving his microphone as long as possible. Unbelievable.

Speaker 7 You really sound like you got run over by a truck.

Speaker 1 You just pooped. He's so disappointed in himself.

Speaker 1 I forgive you because of your disappointment. I don't.

Speaker 1 I mean, low-key. 2-1-Heat.
It was low-key, 2-1-Heat.

Speaker 1 But yeah, you're suspended for a month.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to... I've got Billy's Who's Back of the Week.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 Billy's who's back of the week is Jack Nicklaus. Nice.
There was a lawsuit. There's a lawsuit being filed.
No joke, this happened the day after Billy did his Jack Nicklaus thing.

Speaker 7 There's a company that owns Jack Nicklaus's name. He signed away the rights to his name to a marketing company

Speaker 7 that would then bring in all the new ad deals and like appearances and shit like that for him. So he doesn't have control over his own name.

Speaker 7 And apparently, he's low-key been using his own name when he's not supposed to be using it. He's getting sued $180 million

Speaker 7 for using the name Jack Nicklaus for himself.

Speaker 7 He should just change his name to Jack Nicklaus.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 7 And this all would have been avoided. Billy was right.

Speaker 1 Damn, that's crazy to give up your name.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I would do it for the right amount of money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that seems like

Speaker 1 a Lou Perlman early 2000s boy band deal. Yeah.
Where you're like, yeah, let me just sign everything away.

Speaker 7 I own your name for like $50,000 up front.

Speaker 1 If you had told me that in 1995, I'd be like, yep, okay, dog. Easy.

Speaker 7 Easy. My name's not that valuable.
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our very, very good friend. Live in studio, it is Mark Titus.
We are taping this on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 We're running it on Monday, so we're going to probably do some some NBA predictions that will be very wrong.

Speaker 4 So for right now, Jason Tatum's a fraud.

Speaker 1 Jason Tatum's a fraud

Speaker 4 might be the best player in the world.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's start there. There's actually a good, this is a good start because we had John Sally on last week, and he was basically like, I'm done.
You know, I don't do the who's the goat rankings.

Speaker 1 It's like the best player in a decade, you can say. And Kevin Durant's talked about this.
Like, it's disrespectful to do a top five every other day as someone who played. No big deal.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Do you think that that whole like, hey, who's top five right now is just stupid?

Speaker 4 I do, yeah. I think it's absolutely insane, but I'm also in this business where we have to talk about that stuff.
So it's very confusing. I don't really know how to do it.

Speaker 1 Right. Although

Speaker 1 it's whoever won't start right now, who's your top five?

Speaker 1 Can you tell? It's whoever lasts longest.

Speaker 4 It's whoever won the game

Speaker 4 that we just got done watching. The best player on that team, is he the best player in the world? And the guy who lost needs more help.

Speaker 4 That's how you talk about it.

Speaker 1 Like, Jason Tatum was great. But Max Strew.

Speaker 4 Like, because we're recording this again, like, after

Speaker 4 the heat Celtics game won. So that was my reaction last night: Jason Tatum needed more help, and Jimmy Butler might be the best player in the world.

Speaker 7 What do you think about this take? That it was actually bad for Luca's development as a pro that they made it this far. It would have been better for him and better for the Mavericks.

Speaker 4 You're going with

Speaker 4 the macro, like the way this league works is like Jordan had to lose to the Celtics, and then to the Bad Boys, and then he had to figure it out.

Speaker 1 Not too much. It's the Trey Young.

Speaker 1 It's Trey Young. You can make the argument that going to the Eastern Conference Final in 2021 was bad for Trey Young and the Hawks.

Speaker 4 Would winning a title actually be bad for Luca?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you have to lose first. And so with

Speaker 7 Trey Young, you could, the only counter-argument against that is like the Hawks making the Eastern Conference finals, that is their equivalent of a championship.

Speaker 1 True.

Speaker 7 That's like a dynasty, actually, for the city of Atlanta, is if you make it that far.

Speaker 7 But with Luca, I wasn't truly believing it, but you could be like, hey, if he lost in the second round, then the Mavericks would be more hard-pressed to put more people around him as opposed to just like making him be the guy and try to be the guy over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 It's also very similar to the process with Philly. It's the dog chasing a car where like the Rams win a Super Bowl and everyone's like, yeah, but dude, they got no picks and they're salary back out.

Speaker 1 So it's almost sports has become almost about the window than like winning the title.

Speaker 4 That's PFD, and that's your thing thing when if Saban doesn't win a national title, you're like, it's good for him. He can actually start recruiting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, Coach Hardy gets licked underneath that.

Speaker 7 He's like, oh, goddamn it. I'm going to go on a murdering spree next year.
We should do that.

Speaker 1 We should just change to be like fans of windows. Like, we're just a big fan.

Speaker 1 Like, if the Bills don't, I hope the Bills win a Super Bowl with Josh Allen, but if they don't, we'll be like, but they had the window. Yeah.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 Like, the goal is, I mean, isn't that the, that's kind of what the Celtics have become. And that's what, like, that's like the Daryl Moray plan is like, you're not trying to actually win a a title.

Speaker 4 You're trying to keep the window open as long as possible.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 It's the championship is not the goal anymore. The dynasty.

Speaker 1 The dynasty. Yeah.
Right. You can't win one.
Anyone can do. It is actually, it does work in baseball.

Speaker 1 I do agree with it in baseball where Theo always said, like, you just, the goal is to make the playoffs every year because it's so random what happens after the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Like, once you're in the playoffs, the roll of the dice is like, just get there every year. And then eventually something will break your way.
Right.

Speaker 1 Like a rainstorm in Cleveland.

Speaker 4 College basketball is a little like that. Like, it's different groups of players every year or whatever.
But I think, like,

Speaker 4 you kind of have your moments as programs where it feels sort of similar, too. Like, I don't, not to derail it from.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. We should talk about it.
Let's talk about it.

Speaker 7 It's like Coach K is dead.

Speaker 7 Now, I know that you're a big Coach K fan.

Speaker 1 I know that your podcast is famously, like, massively.

Speaker 4 The number one Coach K podcast.

Speaker 7 You know, off the top of your head, you know how much money he made?

Speaker 7 As a percentage in 2020, as a percentage of his entire program, what they brought in in terms of their revenue, how much do you you think went to the market?

Speaker 4 It wouldn't be much because he's the leader of men and he doesn't do it for the money. He's on record of saying he doesn't do it for the money.
So I would say he probably pulled in like 600 grand.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's free.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's like 30 times that much.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 7 he ended up getting like, I think the math breaks down to around 40% of all the revenue that Duke brings in to their basketball program went directly into Coach Kay's pocket.

Speaker 1 He's Don Finuchian Godfather, where he's just like, oh, that's mine.

Speaker 4 Do you think Roy Williams purposely took less money because he knew Kay was taking so much? Because that's like, like, Carolina fans get really,

Speaker 4 they love pointing out that Roy Roy was, because the Duke point of view would be like, well, Coach Kay has the biggest brain in college basketball. He deserves to be paid that much.
Yada, yada, yada.

Speaker 4 But then right down the road, Carolina has a huge brain. The coach of Carolina could be making just as much, and Roy was making like a million and a half a year.
Well, it's genealogy.

Speaker 4 I think he was doing it on purpose.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's genius. You can't take less and then just make your money doing other, like speaking engagements and fucking basketball camps and

Speaker 1 commercials.

Speaker 1 like the the coach k's salary is probably half of what he makes total but uh it was funny because when coach k's salary was released it was that feeling and i think everyone can relate to it when you go on like a great bachelor party with your friends and you have the group text chain and it's a great time and everything's popping off and then monday you get back and maybe there's a couple stray ones and then nothing for a while and then like a month later someone will think of something or a story and they'll hit it and you'll be like oh fuck that was awesome When Coach K's salary gets released, Titus texted me and Tate, and it was like, oh, yeah, remember when we retired, Coach K?

Speaker 1 That was awesome. And then you go back.

Speaker 4 The history of our conversations are always just like in the month of March about Coach K. It was this year, and then there's nothing for 11 months, and then it was last March.

Speaker 1 Look how right we were.

Speaker 1 Is that cool?

Speaker 1 I'm going to miss him. Have you thought about what you're going to do? Because your podcast, our podcast as well,

Speaker 1 there was a lot of coach k content because he he forced it on us with his retirement tour what's like i don't i don't think the party's over dan okay

Speaker 4 i think like what nobody's talking about uh is that coach k this man is retired he he did so you you remember as soon as he retired um

Speaker 4 guys like you and i were like i don't think he's done yet i think he's gonna come back he lost to carolina twice he has to come back um and then jay williams goes on on first take was it and he was like i think coach k the door might be open so then Coach K does an interview.

Speaker 4 I think it was with Sean Farnum, where Coach K did an interview like right after the Jay Williams comments, and he said, definitively, I am done coaching at Duke University. I am not the coach.

Speaker 4 I'm ready to hand the reins over to John Shire. And he was wearing a Duke basketball polo.

Speaker 1 He was sitting in the Duke basketball head coach's office with a Duke basketball logo behind him.

Speaker 4 And he's like,

Speaker 4 the king was sitting on the throne. He's like, I am not your king anymore.
Please stop talking about this.

Speaker 1 I don't know how much more clear I could be.

Speaker 7 I'm done with Duke University.

Speaker 4 And then, you know, those of us that are like, I don't know if he's done. And then everyone's like, well, you're crazy for thinking he might not be done.
Right.

Speaker 4 I'm going based off of what this man is doing.

Speaker 4 I think that's going to be interesting. I really do.
Like, he's not going to go fishing.

Speaker 4 So he's going to be, I don't actually think he's going to coach Duke this year, but I do think he's going to be around the program. I do, I have been told he hasn't given up his office.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he never will.

Speaker 4 That like his, his, like,

Speaker 4 in my understanding is when you're no longer the coach, you pack up your shit, you get out, the new coach comes in. He has kept his office.
John Shire, they had to figure something else out.

Speaker 1 He's got a temporary office with like the makeshift cubicles they put up.

Speaker 4 So Kay is going to be around, and I guess that's going to be maybe until Kay dies, he's going to be a content machine or content goldmine because there's always like the moment Duke loses three games in a row, we're going to be talking about Kay going to take over and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 7 We can also have the conversation. We can play the what-if game because I feel kind of robbed that he never went to the NBA.

Speaker 7 I think it would have been great if he had gone to the NBA because I'm positive that he would have sucked.

Speaker 7 He would have like quit on his team after half a year, gone back to college, be like, hey, can I have my job back?

Speaker 7 We can have the what-if game be like, Coach K would be a worse head coach than Cal Perry was when he was a head coach in the NBA.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's it.

Speaker 1 Why not?

Speaker 7 Coach Kay's the worst NBA coach to never have coached in the NBA.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yes, that's a fact.

Speaker 1 Speaking of Cal, we're going to do our Kentucky Sports Radio hit in,

Speaker 7 I think, June 6th, I want to say?

Speaker 1 Something like that.

Speaker 7 We've been cherry-picking a couple stats here and there. We've got a guy that we use on this program, Stad Hole Sports, that has done some great research for us.

Speaker 7 We think this year we're going to have to flip it. We're going to have to be like, Coach Cal needs more time.

Speaker 1 He's building something.

Speaker 1 You guys are being impatient.

Speaker 7 Like, you ran Brad out of town.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 You've got to bring him back and have him be officially named as the coach in waiting of Kentucky.

Speaker 1 And not only that, but just lean into what Cal really cares about is just draft picks. Just list all the draft picks and be like, salaries.

Speaker 4 max contracts that his guys assign.

Speaker 1 Total NBA earnings is something that we'll have to look up.

Speaker 7 Also, you want to talk about window. With Cal, like you always, your window is always open.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 7 The way that he recruits, it's like you've got the biggest window, probably the longest running window.

Speaker 4 That's a great point.

Speaker 4 Cal might have invented the window at the college level.

Speaker 4 Because when Kentucky doesn't win a national championship, he's quick to remind everybody about like the draft picks he has, the recruits coming in, that the window is still open.

Speaker 7 The Kentucky window is still open there's always next year Kentucky is the number one like there's always next year program yeah I think they're the bluest of the bloods yeah right I would agree with that yeah I would agree with that you if you hire somebody to replace Coach Cowell I don't know who you think you're gonna get but his blood's not gonna be that blue like Coach Cowell brings a certain element a certain like spotlight to the program that you won't find from anybody else off the street yeah were you shocked by jay wright it is shocking uh a little bit yeah i mean how could you not be?

Speaker 7 You sound really shocked.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 You're asking me about like a month after you. Wow, we have a shot.
I'm still shocked. I'm not shocked in my life.

Speaker 1 Every day I wake up and I'm like, fuck.

Speaker 1 Really? Jay Wright? Not there?

Speaker 4 Well, Jay Wright, he always seemed

Speaker 4 smarter than everybody else. That was why he was a great coach.
I think maybe part of him was like, I don't need to.

Speaker 4 to do that.

Speaker 4 I honestly wonder if some part of him saw Coach K

Speaker 4 and was was like,

Speaker 4 that is not me. I don't want that to be me.
I don't want to be 75 years old.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be father trying to

Speaker 4 tell everybody.

Speaker 7 Coach K killed Coach Jack.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, he did. He did.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I respect it, man. Like, if I was Jay, if I was a lot of these guys, I would retire the second I get a chance to.
She's right off in the sunset.

Speaker 1 Now, are you doing, are you the NIL like is changing everyone's life? I do think that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I do think that.

Speaker 4 I do believe that. And it's weird because when you you talk to people behind the scenes and off air, everybody is quick to tell you that it's not necessarily bullshit, but it's just like different.

Speaker 4 The game has changed so much that I think the coaches that were good at the previous game are not as good or like they just don't recognize what the game has become.

Speaker 4 But if you ask them on air, if you put Jay Wright in the seat and asked him, he'd be like, no, that had nothing to do with it. But I do think if you got him off air and got

Speaker 4 some true surrounding, he'd be like, I can't do this.

Speaker 4 I don't want to try to figure out what this landscape is.

Speaker 1 Which is very funny because, Coach, like, it's the first time coaches' salaries have gone crazy, and now essentially, it's like you just have to do your job more. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they're like, no, fuck that.

Speaker 4 Well, you have, I was talking to a mid-major coach at the Final Four, and he told me two of his better guys

Speaker 4 told him that week that they were transferring.

Speaker 4 And they were two guys that were starters, two guys that he gave a ton of minutes to, two guys that had great seasons, two guys that went into his office and said, Thanks so much, Coach. We love you.

Speaker 4 I love my time here. Everything was great.
Now I'm going to go use the opportunity that you provided me to go somewhere else.

Speaker 4 And he was like, it blew my mind because for so long the transfers were, fuck you, you didn't play me enough. Right.
I'm going to go somewhere to get minutes.

Speaker 4 Now it's like, thank you so much for doing everything you promised you would do. Now I'm going to go to, now I'm going to try to go to Kentucky.

Speaker 1 I think Drew Valentine will be fine, though. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that who it was?

Speaker 7 How much money, actually, maybe not how much. What would you have done in IL deals when you were in college?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. What types of organizations? Money.

Speaker 1 The Club Trillion brand. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Club Trillion are like local businesses.

Speaker 1 Yeah, would you have been one of those guys who does the fake, oh, buy a Club Trillion for charity?

Speaker 7 Or would you have been like,

Speaker 4 I did do that.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 I did do that.

Speaker 1 Would you be making money off Club Trill?

Speaker 4 I was told, we sold shirts my senior year, and the number I was told was that raised 55 grand for one of the local charities in Columbus.

Speaker 1 Wow, and the guy who which I would have matched, by the way, if we'd known you by the back,

Speaker 7 I would have, I would have doubled.

Speaker 4 How many club chill shirts did everyone in this room buy? It was for sick kids, too, by the way.

Speaker 1 All right, I would have done that. I would have doubled.
So he would have quadrupled.

Speaker 4 And the guy who runs the charity still treats me like I'm a saint. And it's still like,

Speaker 4 if I called him right now, he would clear a schedule and make time to talk to me on the phone.

Speaker 4 And like, just, you know, he thinks that I walk on water because he'll just pull me aside and be like, you were 21, 22 years old, and you had the heart to help these sick kids.

Speaker 4 And I've tried to explain to him a million times.

Speaker 4 I couldn't keep the money. Like if I could keep the money, we wouldn't know each other.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we would know each other.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 4 no,

Speaker 4 it's crazy. It was really frustrating for me because I lost my scholarship.
I was actually put on scholarship for two years. Not that I deserved it, but

Speaker 4 they had extra scholarships. And I had

Speaker 4 my first years at at Ohio State. I was on scholarship, and then I got my scholarship pulled because we had academic problems as a program because we had so many guys going to the NBA early.

Speaker 4 And so, Coach Mata told me he was pulling my scholarship. I had the best GPA on the team, and we were punished for academic reasons.

Speaker 4 So, I didn't have a scholarship, but I also couldn't profit off my name. So, I was like stuck in this weird no man's land of like yeah, you're the poster child of why the NIL should work.

Speaker 1 Now, would did Thad Mata have a sense of humor where he like did one of those big viral videos of the team pulling your scholarship? Because that would be funny.

Speaker 1 Mark, we got your parents here. And your parents are just bawling.
They're crying. They're like, we don't know how we're going to afford this.
They have to sign a check at the end of it.

Speaker 1 That would have been.

Speaker 7 So you got a scholarship initially to go there, like right out of high school.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 I went to be a manager.

Speaker 4 I quit that because I was lied to about what being a manager was.

Speaker 1 Why? What was being a manager?

Speaker 4 I was told I was going to be a practice player

Speaker 4 by John Gross, who's the head coach at Akron now. He was an assistant.
He used to coach.

Speaker 1 Good attorney run, yeah. Illinois.
Illinois.

Speaker 4 He told me, he's like, if you're a manager,

Speaker 4 you'll be able to practice with the guys. He's like, you don't have to come in every day, but like when you're here, we'll have you run scout team.
And I was like, that sounds cool.

Speaker 4 I don't have to be fully committed because I understand how much time commitment this is.

Speaker 4 So I was like, I'll be a normal student, but like three days a week, I'll come practice with Division I players who happen happen to be some of my friends. That's a great setup.
I'll come do that.

Speaker 4 And on day one, they had me wiping up Greg's sweat and filling up water bottles and filming practice. And I was so shitty about it that I quit.

Speaker 4 And then they asked me to come back because they didn't have enough guys to do five-on-five.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 4 That's how I got on the team. And then

Speaker 4 they weren't using all the scholarships. So you get like 13 scholarships, and we only had like 11 guys on scholarships.
So they just said, do you want one? And I was like, yeah. So

Speaker 4 I went from normal student at Ohio State to five weeks later, I was on scholarship for what ended up being a Final Four basketball.

Speaker 1 I love that that's how you got your scholarship, too. They were like, that model was looked under the couch.
He's like, oh, yeah, we got another one here. All right, you take it.

Speaker 7 You have to wonder how many people have like quit their student manager job on the first day. Yeah, right.

Speaker 4 And then

Speaker 7 tried to follow that. Or like the other way around, how many people just accepted.
the manager job on the first day, even though it wasn't what they wanted.

Speaker 7 And maybe that's the next Jordan, but they didn't have the balls like you to stand up and be like no I'm better than this yes yeah

Speaker 1 what if that's a great what if do were you uh what schools were you thinking about going to besides Ohio State were you like do you ever think maybe I should have just gone you know division three or smaller division one and played um

Speaker 1 no

Speaker 4 I thought about it after my sophomore year um when because the my freshman year I was fat on the team because I didn't think I was going to play basketball so like I graduate high school all summer I do no working out of any kind I'm just getting ready for college.

Speaker 4 And then I get put on the team, and I was just trying to get back in shape. We won the Big Ten.
We were ranked number one for a few weeks.

Speaker 4 And I didn't play, and that made sense to me. I was like, we have one of the best teams in the country.
It kind of checks out that my fat ass wouldn't get in there. The next year,

Speaker 4 we didn't even make the tournament. We ended up winning the NIT.

Speaker 4 And I didn't think I should be getting a ton of minutes, but I was like watching John Diebler shoot 29% from the three-point line as a freshman. And I was like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 Maybe throw me in there and see what I could do.

Speaker 1 maybe I'll make one or two.

Speaker 4 And Coach Mata after that season told me he's never going to play me because he actually recruited these other guys. And he like explained it to me.
He's like, I put resources into getting these guys.

Speaker 4 He's like, you just showed up on my doorstep one day.

Speaker 4 So he said, I will never play you. Like, he was really nice about it, weirdly.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 That's like him essentially admitting, like, I just don't want to admit that I was wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, basically.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Right.

Speaker 4 So that's when I completely gave up and I decided either I'm going to transfer to a tiny school and try to like, you know, average 20 a game at like a division three school or I'm just going to

Speaker 4 like ride out these next two years and just have a sick time riding the bench and trying to save some sick kids.

Speaker 1 Trying to save some sick kids. I think you made the right choice.

Speaker 4 So that was that. Yeah.

Speaker 7 What's the best game that you've ever played?

Speaker 1 Good question. Thanks.

Speaker 1 Great question. Oh, thanks.
I don't know. How do you answer that?

Speaker 4 I had some great practices.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, tell me about it.

Speaker 1 Is that what we want to say? Yeah, there's a lot of people who are going to be able to go over my best trillions I ever had. Yeah, like what legends.

Speaker 4 I played, there was one game I played, so I usually never got in before the final media timeout. That was, you know,

Speaker 4 when the final media timeout hits, that's when I start stretching. I'm like, all right, it could happen at any time now.

Speaker 4 If it's a big blowout, there was one time when there was like five and a half minutes left. We were playing Iowa at home, and we were beating the shit out of them.

Speaker 4 And Coach Mata turned to me and he's like, mark it in there. And I was like, no.

Speaker 1 I was like, that's not.

Speaker 4 What are you talking about? I was like, Coach, look at the clock. He's like, no, he's like,

Speaker 4 I don't want our guys to get hurt. We've had a tough week of practice.

Speaker 1 I need you get hurt.

Speaker 4 I need you to burn the clock. And, oh, my God, that was the five and a half minutes is very, very different from one minute of just drilling the clock out.

Speaker 1 Like, five and a half minutes.

Speaker 4 Because at that point, they still had some of their better players in.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God. So that was definitely the most memorable game I ever played at Ohio State was that.
I didn't do anything. I still did the same.

Speaker 4 I still did the same song and dance of just running up and down the court.

Speaker 7 The Tony Snell.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I still

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 16 to the snow. I played basketball with Titus this morning and

Speaker 1 one, he can still shoot the fucking lights out. It was great.
It was like awesome to watch because we basically got there. First five minutes, he missed everything.

Speaker 1 And he's like, oh man, I'm so out of it. Like, I haven't played in so long.
And then he hit one, and he hit like 50 in a row. And I was like, okay.

Speaker 1 And I also learned that Titus is that annoying guy who will shoot a three and say short and it'll be nothing.

Speaker 1 Nothing but that.

Speaker 1 he's like oh short and it's just a fucking perfect switch i'm just like all right cool uh can i say this and i mean this not because we're on air but i i genuinely mean this and i think it's important that your listeners understand this you are much better at basketball than i thought you were you said that and i was like stunned i think that's a compliment that's people are like you're not as fat as i think

Speaker 4 like well i i watched the video of you playing in oh yeah

Speaker 1 yeah that was yeah you guys are hamming it up obviously

Speaker 4 i was but yeah they were a couple of the guys that never like touched a basketball but i mean to be fair like people that that would then watched i like i don't know it's you blur the lines well enough of like what's real and what what are you hamming up and whatever so like to see you got a you got a good stroke yeah shout out swish house it's we just go and get shots up yeah it's like the best thing ever you have zero miss playing basketball you have zero stamina though i did i did notice that by the five by the inch

Speaker 1 dude it was a disaster did you guys play five on five no we we swish house is this place i've been going where they basically like it's like you basically run basketball practice yeah and so you run through a bunch of drills agility drills, shooting drills.

Speaker 1 You get like, I don't know, we got like 300 shots up each, but by the end, it was just my, my shirt was soaked, and I was just, I couldn't walk.

Speaker 1 And I, you could tell, it's like, this guy put him on the line at the end of a game because there's nothing, he won't be able to hit anything. Because it's just, it gases out.

Speaker 4 I think I could, you have a, you have a great natural stroke, though, honestly.

Speaker 4 And I think we could work with that.

Speaker 4 I think I want to run like a, I want to run like a sports media basketball camp for

Speaker 1 who, all right so let's do it with

Speaker 7 everybody jump off there and who's your starting five who's your starting five in sports media PFT can you play I can touch the rim I did see that that's a fact yeah I did see that a lot of people are like yo they they they box themselves into a little trap of like because when I'm staying next to the hoop it's a bad visual because optical illusion wise it looks like it's twice as high up as I am yeah but either they have to admit that I either one

Speaker 7 have like a 48 inch vertical leap and I'm able to touch this rim somehow, or two, that I'm not actually 5'6.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you like put them in a box. I box him in pretty nice.

Speaker 7 Also, I'm always on the lookout for a rim that's like three inches shorter than all the other rims because they exist somewhere in the city.

Speaker 7 So I like, I look at them, I take a mental note, and I'm like, I'm going to go back to that one and just grab it.

Speaker 4 So, are you the guy at a pickup game that is, as everyone else is trying to fill out the ball and get their legs warmed up and everything, you're just jumping up and popping the rim to intimidate the other one?

Speaker 1 No, and so I watch this guy. I can't pop the rim.
I'll jump up.

Speaker 7 I'll like hit the net really hard, try to like swoop it over the top. I'll just jump up, like hit the backboard.
No, honestly, my game is basically like I will bring the ball up the court.

Speaker 7 I can dribble it okay, and then I'll just pass it as soon as I can.

Speaker 1 You know what you should start doing? I had a buddy who used to do this. He couldn't dunk, but he, like, when you're at a pickup game and it's warming up,

Speaker 1 he would jump and climb the rim and then like loudly like bang on the rim. And everyone's like, whoa, what was that?

Speaker 1 He would just pull himself up off the net and he would just fucking bang on the the rim.

Speaker 7 I'll tell you,

Speaker 7 I should not be in your starting five. I should be like a

Speaker 7 backup point guard that comes in and I exist on the court for like two minutes and then I get the fuck off.

Speaker 1 All media. So like Stephen A.
Smith, wet jumper. Not former players, though.
Not former players.

Speaker 4 So let me ask you guys this. Do I count as a former player in this thing?

Speaker 4 Because anytime these hypotheticals come up, I can never tell like if I'm if I'm not picked, is that because people think I'm like an actual player?

Speaker 4 If I am picked, should I be insulted by that? Because you're saying that I was not like...

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think. I don't actually count as a...

Speaker 7 Why don't you fill out your starting five around you? So it's

Speaker 7 your team that you would pick if you were captured.

Speaker 1 Can't have played in the NBA.

Speaker 4 I think I got to start with Rosillo, right? Yes.

Speaker 4 If I don't say Rosillo at one.

Speaker 1 Enforcer.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 7 He's down bad now.

Speaker 1 Yes, he is.

Speaker 7 Did you text him out of nowhere? Just be like, hey, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Just text him. No, you shouldn't.
I should wait like a week later. No, text him right now.

Speaker 7 Text him right now. Hey, are you doing all right?

Speaker 1 Like, hey, man, I know it's been a few days, but sorry about Chris Paul.

Speaker 4 Hey, man, I'm going to do it right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I called him on Monday night and he's like, I've never felt like a bigger loser because everyone keeps calling me like someone died in my family and it's just Chris Paul lost a playoff game, which happens every year.

Speaker 1 Literally every year since he's been in the NBA, he hasn't won a title.

Speaker 4 Yeah, just be like, hey, man, wanted to give you a little time to process everything.

Speaker 1 This is great.

Speaker 4 But also, just wanted to make sure you're good.

Speaker 7 I actually think that Russillo probably received more, hey, are you alright? Check-in messages than Chris Paul did.

Speaker 1 Yes. Oh, definitely.
Definitely.

Speaker 4 Hold on. Hey, man, wanted to give you, that's what I'm going with.
Hey, man, wanted to give you a little time to process everything, but also just wanted to make sure you're good.

Speaker 1 Hit send. Yeah, it's beautiful.
Oh, he's going to be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 Lose this number.

Speaker 7 Hope he's recording right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 I think the problem with that was, do you think that Ryan actually cares about Chris Paul that much? Or

Speaker 4 do you think like the moment that

Speaker 4 he realizes it's not gonna happen, he now is put in a position where it's less about like, I wanted Chris Paul to be successful, more about like, I'm gonna have to eat shit about this.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I don't know if he cares about Chris Paul the human.

Speaker 1 He might. He might a little bit.
Yeah, he might. I think so.
Yeah. Oh, he does?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, when he had that whole whole like chris paul cares more than everyone else i want him to be my son but that that also might be because we fall into this trap a lot too where we care about an athlete but it's mostly because we want to feel right about our take right or friends i don't think he's friends with chris what is the i i was very heavy on the university of virginia basketball yes uh when they lost to umbc i thought i i had virginia winning the national championship they lost to a 16 seed by 20.

Speaker 4 um i did not jump off the bandwagon i rode it the next season they did win the national championship.

Speaker 4 So I kind of know what Ryan's going through.

Speaker 1 If you did this analogy.

Speaker 4 Chris Paul's going to win it next year.

Speaker 1 Well, I was going to say, if you did this analogy, Virginia basketball is 37 years old and they probably only have a year or two left in their whole history.

Speaker 4 Have either of you had a situation like that beyond your favorite team? Because I asked you this off-air day, and you're like, well, my favorite team suck ass, and that sucks.

Speaker 4 But I mean, like, a take where you're like, this guy's a fraud. He's definitely a fraud.
And then now you have to watch him win an MVP or win a title or something along those lines.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've I so mine usually the reverse where it's like I like two years ago or was it two years ago or three years ago where I was like the Ravens are frauds and they had the one seed and like if they had won I would have had to eat so much shit.

Speaker 1 They lost to the Titans so I turned to be like right about it. But yeah, you definitely get a point.
I also think for Rosillo it's and it were part of the problem.

Speaker 1 It's an argument that he's arguing that Chris Paul is really, really good and we're arguing he has no title, so he sucks.

Speaker 1 So it's like when we can just keep doing that, it's got to be crazy frustrating for someone who actually like watches the games and like has nuanced takes like Rascillo to see idiots like us be like, yeah, but no rings, bro.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 So and and and then so but but then even if he does win a ring, it doesn't fully count because of who his teammates were, like what the single

Speaker 1 was her. And like yeah, we would have absolutely found a way out of it.
Put an asterisk on it.

Speaker 4 Have you had that PFT of like

Speaker 4 a take you were married to and you're like, I'm 100% right. I I know I'm right.

Speaker 1 There are a lot of them. I mean, I'm wrong.
I'm wrong all the time. All the time.
But we all are.

Speaker 7 Yeah. If you don't admit that you're wrong, then you're just not trying hard enough.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 Like, then your takes are too vanilla. So, I mean, I was wrong about Ryan Tannehill for a little bit, but then he proved me right ultimately.

Speaker 7 So I was like, you know, I had always been saying Ryan Tannehill will never take the next step. He was always the, he's going to take the next step guy.
Just wait till next year. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And then, you know, he got pretty good for like a season and a half, two seasons, and then he regressed.

Speaker 7 And really, it's mostly the way that he ended the last season with those three interceptions in the playoffs against the Bengals, where I can be like, see, I told you all along,

Speaker 7 forgetting the entire body of evidence that took place like the year and a half before that, where he played like an above-average quarterback for most of the time. But I'm sure that there are

Speaker 7 probably millions of examples of things that I've been

Speaker 7 a million percent wrong about.

Speaker 1 Usually what PFT and I do is we're wrong and then we switch and then we're double wrong. Like I was, I thought the Bengals were like not a Super Bowl caliber team.
Like I was like,

Speaker 1 I think the Titans are going to beat them, Ryan Tanel through three picks. I think the Chiefs are going to beat them.
That second half happened.

Speaker 1 Then we get to the Super Bowl and I'm like, I believe in the Bengals. And then they lost.
So it's like, that happens all the time. So that's the old skip bailiff.

Speaker 7 He said, I was wrong about, hang on. I'm just reading now.
It's funnier than I remember. He was talking about the Clippers.
This was, I believe, last year.

Speaker 7 I was wrong about being wrong about the Clippers.

Speaker 1 And a shock to me, I was ultimately right.

Speaker 7 Now they have a very good shot at winning it all, as I originally predicted. So you can like double back and triple back on yourself.

Speaker 4 Tate introduced me to the phrase right logic, wrong pick.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 material change.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 7 Right logic, wrong pick.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was talking about a game where he's like, this is going to be just a rock fight of a game. You know, it's going to be ugly.
It's going to be low scoring.

Speaker 4 And I think that favors Team A in a game like this. And then team B, it is a rock fight and team B wins.
And then he's like, I told you.

Speaker 7 Or team A wins in a blowout, and then you're like, I was right about team A, but I was wrong about the rock fight.

Speaker 1 Right, yeah. You can always give yourself an escape hatch.

Speaker 1 I think that's probably what frustrates Russilla the most because he actually,

Speaker 1 when he gives a take, he thinks about it, and that's why people love him because he's giving you actual, like, this is how I feel. He doesn't give himself an escape hatch.
What'd he say?

Speaker 4 I was just saying, I think what might frustrate him the most now is me texting him like six days after the fact.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's what I was saying.

Speaker 7 He's going to say, hey, man, He's going to hear this and be like, oh, wow, he picked me first overall.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 Okay, yeah, that's a great point. We should go back to that.
Rosillo, I would take one.

Speaker 4 I've never seen him play.

Speaker 4 I've seen him shoot a basketball. I've seen a video of him shoot a basketball.

Speaker 2 He's got a good vert.

Speaker 4 You know, he knows the game.

Speaker 7 You saw the photo dump?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw the photo dump.

Speaker 7 He had to clear up the space in his camera.

Speaker 4 Should we pick SVP?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that right out there?

Speaker 1 Five. Yes, absolutely.
And you have chemistry, built-in chemistry with SVP and

Speaker 1 so you're like, good. They're playing a little two-man game.
You can always rely on that.

Speaker 4 I'm trying to think of who else. Wind Horse.
Who else?

Speaker 1 Windy, Beast Download.

Speaker 7 Ground Mound Rebound.

Speaker 1 Who else would I throw out there? I'm trying to think of people who haven't, because I guess there's not a lot of guys

Speaker 1 or girls who have not played who talk about the game. You could also go cross sport.

Speaker 7 Stephen A. Smith wouldn't be a bad pick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think Romo's probably sick. Right, but he should have.

Speaker 7 I feel like former professional athletes should be off the list for Terrell Owens.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the celebrity all-star game.

Speaker 1 I think Jim Nance could probably throw some bows down low. You got Twin Towers, Jim Nance and Scott Van Pelt.
That'd be nice. Does Bill Johnson?

Speaker 4 Yeah, does Bill Raftery count as a former player at this point?

Speaker 1 No, I don't think anymore. No.
Yeah, I think you could throw him out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's been a long time that he's.

Speaker 4 It's been a minute. Yeah.

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Speaker 7 And now here's more Mark Titus.

Speaker 1 You, you got to spend time with him. He's the best.

Speaker 4 He is, he is the king of holding court. Like, that's, that's, when I think of the phrase like holding court, I think of Bill Raftery at a bar in New York City, and he doesn't even do it on purpose.

Speaker 4 It's him and Bob Huggins in the college basketball community. They don't even do it on purpose.

Speaker 4 They just like walk into a bar, they sit down like they would if there were a million people in the bar, if there's nobody in the bar, and then just gravity works its magic, and people just slowly start hounding them and just listening to all their stories.

Speaker 4 He's amazing. He wouldn't know if

Speaker 4 I'm going to introduce myself to him every single time I see him. There's zero chance he knows me or there's any world in which he would remember me.

Speaker 4 But yeah, like I, every time I'm around that guy, I just kind of like slowly gravitate towards wanting to hear whatever the hell he's talking about.

Speaker 7 He's the best. I always picture him holding a crystal glass with brown liquor in it.
Just like neat.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not even drinking it. Yeah, just holding it.

Speaker 7 Like he's getting drunk, but he never takes a seat.

Speaker 1 You never see him drink it.

Speaker 4 He seems to have a story about everything, every bar in this city, especially like New York. He's got like every...

Speaker 4 I hate this city. I hate New York so much.
Every time I come here,

Speaker 4 I really do. This is my least favorite place on earth.
And I think Bill

Speaker 1 Raft.

Speaker 7 I mean, like, what about the garden?

Speaker 1 Yeah, or like Kiev. Right now.
This is true. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 I've never been, though, so I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 4 You can't trust the media what they're saying about it. Maybe it's nicer than.

Speaker 7 I feel like Kiev right now is probably like spirits are high like right now no think about it right now you're defending you've defended your city against a fucking empire that's true and like the camaraderie there has got to be off the charts yeah i uh

Speaker 4 no comment i believe i don't i don't know i don't know

Speaker 1 all right so

Speaker 1 what do you think about what roe v wade

Speaker 1 what's your take

Speaker 1 who do you got one in that let's go hot take you're the pretty you're the perfect business who you got one in that one

Speaker 4 who you got in your roe v.

Speaker 1 Wade bracket well I should put it in a parlay should be like all right I got the warriors I got Roe v. Wade

Speaker 7 what's the spread on the Supreme Court I think I got I think I got them striking it down by one and a half

Speaker 7 oh man oh my god all right so the uh media team yes we got wind horse

Speaker 1 I like this team

Speaker 4 I didn't finish my thought raft three I was gonna say he's the one he's listening to that man talk about New York City that's like the one man I think could get me to like the city.

Speaker 4 That was all I was going to say.

Speaker 1 I do think when anyone talks about New York City basketball, it gets like romantic.

Speaker 1 Like I said, we had John Sally on. It was like, hey, just tell us about New York City basketball for a second.

Speaker 7 What about Stan Van Gundy?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 he can bring the ball just towards the core. We're just beef.

Speaker 1 I'm worried about our cardio.

Speaker 1 Have you half-court or

Speaker 1 terrible? No, Stan? Stan's got handles.

Speaker 7 Big time. Absolutely.
He's your point guard.

Speaker 4 Does he count as a former player?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 It's been easy to play. I think it's been long enough.

Speaker 7 Like, he ate himself out of former player.

Speaker 4 Wait, so it's Rossillo, Titus, Tate's not bad, by the way.

Speaker 4 I'll shout out Tate.

Speaker 4 Tate could be on the team.

Speaker 1 I like this shot.

Speaker 4 He's not bad.

Speaker 1 Stan Van and Windhorse, too, it's like nice because you can do a sub-package where it's like they probably complement each other.

Speaker 4 Stephen A has to be able to play a little bit more.

Speaker 1 I've seen a video of him airballing a shot, which, I mean, I guess we all airball shots, but that's always tough.

Speaker 7 I mean, if I was Stephen A, I would never ever take a shot.

Speaker 7 It's like when you're a politician and you're like traveling the country and there's cameras all around you, you should never shoot a basketball. Yeah, because it's probably not going to go in.

Speaker 7 And if you miss, that's going to be replayed all the time.

Speaker 4 That's like J.J. Reddick shooting free throws at the Duke game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he missed it. Which is like, what's going on here?

Speaker 4 Like, why would you agree to do this?

Speaker 4 There's no

Speaker 1 against Miami. This is Stan Van Gundy.
He's got handles.

Speaker 7 Give me the ball. He says, give me the rock.
I'm going to give you guys some pointers.

Speaker 1 He's, you know what it is? It's.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 You always have to be afraid.

Speaker 1 I would take him in a second.

Speaker 4 And then he plays it off and he's like, do stuff like that.

Speaker 1 Because there is that guy

Speaker 1 in every pickup game in America.

Speaker 1 The short, fat guy that everyone's like, nah. And then he just starts whapping threes.
You're like, whoops. He's amazing.
Smooth. They're always smooth.
And you're like, okay,

Speaker 1 this, like, at one one point in their life, they were really good at basketball.

Speaker 4 I would take Stan. I'd put Stan on the team, but I just.

Speaker 1 You, Rosillo, SVP, Stan. Who's running a point on this team? I think Wendy.

Speaker 7 I think we got to get some diversity on this team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you're building this like the old Kentucky.

Speaker 1 Oh, your old colleague, Van Lathan, I think he would be pretty good. I do.
Were you, did you overlap with him?

Speaker 4 No, I don't think I ever.

Speaker 1 I never met him. Where did it go wrong with you in the ringer go back

Speaker 4 go back to roe v.

Speaker 1 wade we're going to the rovy wade question

Speaker 1 let's break that down for a second oh man oh i heard uh i think jacoby is good from jalen jacoby jacobi's probably yeah yeah jacoby shout out him he's he could he could play yeah he'll be on the team um

Speaker 1 i think van lathen's a good pick all right he's i'll trust you yeah i know i've never played with him he's also got like he van lathen to me the look we had dinner with him uh i don't know maybe a year ago.

Speaker 1 Talk to him every now and then. He seems like a guy that would be just like everyone instantly respects in the locker room.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And like a glue guy that people like, when he talks, people listen kind of thing. So I would put him in there.
All right.

Speaker 7 Maybe Jamie Erdall, backup point guard.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 She seems like she'd foul the shit out of you.

Speaker 1 She played too, right?

Speaker 1 She played at OU, right? At Ohio. Does she think so? I think so.
Maybe.

Speaker 1 She seems to be.

Speaker 4 But that's what I mean. Like, Jamie Erdahl is,

Speaker 4 again, it's like, on the one hand, you feel like it's respectful to throw on the team, but on the other hand, maybe she's listening to this and she's like, what the hell?

Speaker 4 I had a great playing career.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, why are you? Yeah. Rachel Nichols, LeBron Stopper.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 What was I? Fuck, I had one other thing I had to ask you, and now I can't think of it.

Speaker 7 Billy, what's your question for Mark?

Speaker 1 Don't say, how is your Saturday? Actually, you can. It's Monday.

Speaker 7 Billy, don't fall first. What does your shirt say?

Speaker 4 It's

Speaker 4 smocking TC, Billy. I'm here for the dozen trivia.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 Tune in this week. Trill Bollins, Club Trillion.

Speaker 4 You thought I was Trill Bollins?

Speaker 1 There was a second.

Speaker 7 There was a second I thought that. Just for a moment.

Speaker 4 When was the second? Like when I was here? No, it was back.

Speaker 1 Today, or like when I first...

Speaker 7 No, when I knew everything through Twitter, I was like,

Speaker 1 Trill stuff, Club Trillion. There's so many Trill stuff.
There's signs and everything.

Speaker 4 I think that's how I ended up on the team. I'm the only guy that doesn't work at this company.

Speaker 7 So many different Trill Burners. I was like, is Club Trillion? Another Trill Burner? Yeah.

Speaker 4 It counts. Trill's from Indianapolis, so I am too.

Speaker 7 Yeah, a lot of people don't realize it actually took me like several years to figure this out about Trill Bollins after following him online for a while.

Speaker 7 That his name, Trill Bollins, is just taking Phil Collins

Speaker 7 and changing the start of each word.

Speaker 4 Do you remember when we went to the Wiggly for

Speaker 1 one of the best games ever? It was the Miguel Montero Grand Slam, was it not?

Speaker 4 And Hobby Bai is still home that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it was like,

Speaker 1 it was the three of us. PFT had a broken foot.
It was PFT, myself, you, Trill Bollins. I think Chaps was with us.
Chaps was with us. It was a great crew.
Hank, were you there?

Speaker 4 Hank's not here in the room. Oh, Hank's not in the room.

Speaker 1 It was over there. That's memes.
Oh, hey, memes. Sorry.
I couldn't see it. Sorry.
We need to introduce you. No,

Speaker 1 Hank is our boss now. He works upstairs.
He wears a suit.

Speaker 4 He never is in the room when you do the show.

Speaker 1 He wears a suit.

Speaker 1 Never. Yeah.
Never. No, he's.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he can fire.

Speaker 1 That's exciting.

Speaker 7 He could hire you and then fire you immediately.

Speaker 1 He could actually cancel Titus and Tate.

Speaker 1 He'd just call someone at Fox and be like, hey, numbers aren't good.

Speaker 7 Get rid of it. No, he'd just be like, do me a favor, ask those guys.

Speaker 1 Be like, okay, yeah, you know, I owe you one, Hank.

Speaker 1 He could. Be careful.

Speaker 4 Jake Marsh is in the room.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I like Marshall. I'm a Jake Marsh fan.

Speaker 7 You did not include Jake in your starters. Yeah, Jake, what's your game like?

Speaker 4 What's the Papa Shot King?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I can play Papa Shot. I can call the game for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 4 You know, Rosteen, have you talked to him about playing basketball?

Speaker 1 That he

Speaker 4 proudly.

Speaker 1 Playing basketball?

Speaker 4 I love this about John Rosteen, that he's very open about this, that he will

Speaker 4 proudly tell you that he's never touched a basketball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. He's allergic to it.

Speaker 4 Because a lot of the guys

Speaker 4 that talk about sports, you know, you get a little insecure about, like, is my level of competency playing good enough for me to talk about it. John is not that guy.

Speaker 4 John's like, I straight up do not touch a basketball, but here's who's going to win the A-10 this year and why.

Speaker 4 And it is absolutely hilarious to me that

Speaker 4 he's that way. But Jake, you're not that way.

Speaker 1 You play.

Speaker 1 I can get hot from three, but I also go 0 for 8 the next game. Yeah, okay, that's fine.
I have a Jake Marsh adjacent question that is relevant to this conversation.

Speaker 1 We were talking about retirement tours. Jim Boheim, will he retire before he kills another person?

Speaker 1 Or is it going to be like two and then he retires?

Speaker 8 They said this every show.

Speaker 1 Well, Jake, you set us up for it last time. We actually love Buddy and Buddy and Jimmy.

Speaker 1 I love them. No, I love them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're just having fun. Sorry, we have to.

Speaker 4 Just some light-hearted ribbon about

Speaker 4 accidental vehicular manslaughter.

Speaker 1 He's going to just go forever, though. Is he not?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 7 He's certainly not going to break.

Speaker 4 He's got to see his. You want to talk about windows.
This man sees his window with Kay, right?

Speaker 4 Kay's out of the way. He had the front one.

Speaker 1 There it was. I was about to say it, but I don't want to say it.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. It's just so easy.

Speaker 7 Like, no offense.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know? No, no, no.
No offense. Absolutely.
No offense.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it does feel like he's going to coach forever, though.

Speaker 1 He's losing all his friends, though. I think Kay was his only friend.

Speaker 4 Because

Speaker 4 his sons are done, right now, Jake? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Jerry McNamara is still there.

Speaker 4 His other sons are off the team.

Speaker 8 But he's at the Combine's going on right now.

Speaker 1 They should have a father-son rule where the Bayheims should be able to play for as long as Jim is still there.

Speaker 1 There should be a 45-year-old game.

Speaker 4 You should get one franchise tag for college now.

Speaker 4 That should be what the franchise tag is. This guy can play for as long as we want.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's my rule of like you can go back. So I think it should be all sports.
Yeah. And it should be as long as you graduated from there, you can go back at any time.

Speaker 1 Like I've always said, like, the argument is so simple because you just say, would you like to watch Tim Tebow play at Florida this morning? Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. The answer is yes.

Speaker 4 And he can't. We've talked about this before, but

Speaker 4 he can play football or he can't play football.

Speaker 1 He has to play something else. No, no, he can play football.
He has to play baseball.

Speaker 1 Every team gets one player that they had that has to have graduated from that that college, and they can, like, Tom Brady could retire from the Bucs and play a season for Michigan. Why not?

Speaker 1 Like, how incredible would that be?

Speaker 4 Coach K goes back to Army.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Like, this would be

Speaker 1 final run. It would make sports so much fun where it's like, all right, what are we going to, like, who are we going to use this on? Is this guy washed up?

Speaker 1 Like, or do we want to keep him, you know, around? Like, Devin Harris on the Badgers. I don't even know where Devin Harris is now.
I think he retired a while ago, right?

Speaker 1 I haven't heard that name in a while. Yeah, he's got a lot of time.
Or like a guy like Sam Decker, who's a friend of ours, he's actually playing great overseas, great career.

Speaker 1 I think they won a championship. But at some point with NIL, he's like, oh, I could just live

Speaker 1 back in Wisconsin. I could play for the Badgers and make a shitload of money.
This would be fun.

Speaker 4 Do you think Greg Gard would bring Sam Decker off the bench like Bo Ryan did a show?

Speaker 1 Yes, probably.

Speaker 7 You asked about the take that I've probably been wrong about.

Speaker 7 Tom Izzo being overrated. I was wrong about that for a while.

Speaker 4 You said he was overrated. Now

Speaker 7 I wanted to be the first person to say that Tom Izzo is overrated. So I think I accomplished that.
And then I've been waiting that out. It's starting to look more and more like

Speaker 7 it's like correct adjacent now. I'm letting it age like a fine wine.
But as I want to ask you, like as a Big Ten connoisseur, Michigan State, I feel like, did they fall off?

Speaker 7 Is it fair to say like Michigan State's fallen off?

Speaker 4 Tom Izzo is another one of the

Speaker 4 guys that's in,

Speaker 4 found himself in a new era of basketball that that

Speaker 4 I don't think they've fallen off. I think they're in a transitional period where Tom Izzo is maybe a little bit stubborn about what this is and

Speaker 4 doesn't want to fully go into the new era with

Speaker 4 a lot of gusto. But I think they're going to be fine, but

Speaker 4 I don't know if someone else wants to make the case that they've fallen off. The brand has fallen off a little bit.

Speaker 1 A little bit,

Speaker 4 but they're still a good basketball team.

Speaker 4 Like this past Michigan State team, if Max Christie was as good as he was supposed to be, michigan state would have been awesome like they were missing like the one like five-star guy that was like i'm going to be a first-round pick i'm awesome and that was supposed to be him it didn't work out sometimes that just happens and also you could kind of sum it up as like amani bates that would be the that would be where you're like have they fallen off like amani bates right like i think he said he was going to michigan state when he was a sophomore right and then it switches to memphis late in the game tomezzo playing the new version of college basketball is taking amani bates right it would backfire.

Speaker 4 It would have been a disaster. And then he would have just doubled down on, like, this is why I don't do this.
And I so

Speaker 1 that was the first time where I was like, oh, so he's not doing this new game. Yeah.
Like, he should,

Speaker 1 because guess what? I mean, Juwan Howard's probably doing the new game. Like, that's.
Michigan State has always felt like they got the better basketball players. Yeah.
At least for the last 20 years.

Speaker 7 I've been feeling like more and more recently over the last, I don't know, like since we've been doing this show, college football coaches have just become more psycho than ever.

Speaker 7 Like you almost almost have to be a paranoid sociopath to be a successful college football coach. I'm not even really exaggerating about that.
Like, the most successful ones are.

Speaker 7 In college basketball, it feels like there's more like I don't know, dedication to the game.

Speaker 1 Like, they feel like

Speaker 7 they think of themselves more of like stewards of the game as being an elite college basketball coach. Do you think that's like a fair?

Speaker 4 It's sort of because, like, college football, you're still allowed to be a hard ass a little bit too, and you're still allowed to

Speaker 4 be a disciplinarian and stuff. Like, the college basketball coaches now have to be players' coaches.

Speaker 1 You have to be

Speaker 4 BFF with the AAU coaches as you're recruiting and the high school coaches and all that. And you just have to be like a very likable Jay Wright type and Tony Bennett type and Mike Bray type.

Speaker 4 Those are the guys that are successful now. Whereas I think college football, you can still be insane.
And that is...

Speaker 4 That's interesting. That dichotomy is interesting that you can just be completely out of your mind.
But a completely out of your mind college basketball coach, I don't know how much that plays.

Speaker 4 Eric Musselman's a little out of his mind, but he's like

Speaker 1 fun about it. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 It's like a different kind of thing.

Speaker 7 You're out of your mind, but you're like recruiting your players to get out of their mind with you.

Speaker 7 Like, join my crazy tent. Yeah.
And we'll just have a good time and win some games.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it is. I hate to be like the old man in the conversation sometimes, but like when people are like, oh, yeah, the game has changed.
Kids don't want to be coached hard anymore.

Speaker 1 I think that's partially true. It is.
It's definitely like you can admit that and not, and it's not maybe a bad thing, like Bobby Knight just fucking choking people. That's probably good.

Speaker 1 That's not happening anymore. Probably.
But

Speaker 1 I think it's hard.

Speaker 1 That's Libcat talking about it.

Speaker 1 It's hard for coaches. No, it's Democat.
That was a new one that someone dropped on me last week. It was fucking fire.
I was like, damn, it's taking that long.

Speaker 1 But college coaches, like, now the kids can transfer like that, which is good. All these things are good.

Speaker 4 They can't be like hard ass all the time because I think kids are like, I'm not doing this like i'm not letting you scream at me izzo's not a hard ass because izzo is i will yell at you but then i will throw my arm around your shoulder and love you um but even that formula in in the last however many years has been criticized like he's had a few instances one that comes to mind was with like aaron henry and and people lost their mind about that and i that he's he's as these guys retire he's becoming like the last of a dying breed but you know what's good for him in that respect is that if you have a couple uh well-known pros who have your back,

Speaker 1 you can get away with a lot more. Like Draymond Green always being like, that's Michigan State family.

Speaker 1 It completely negates the whole controversy immediately.

Speaker 4 And there's also something about like the culture around the Michigan State program of having not just a guy like Draymond who's like, I love Tom Izzo, but Draymond's a tough son of a bitch and is like,

Speaker 1 that's why this is why I'm a tough son of a bitch.

Speaker 4 Zach Randolph is like, this is why I'm a tough son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 Right. Like there's some people who, if they speak up, you're like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Like Joe Keep Noah, when he's like, talks about, you know, Tom Thibodeau being like, that's what made me who I am, kind of as a pro. It's like, okay, so maybe his hard ways aren't the worst.

Speaker 4 What's going to happen with Dmby? This is coming out on Monday. So we still have.

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Speaker 1 What game will we be at? We'll be game three in both series will will have just completed, if I'm doing my math right. Yes.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say

Speaker 1 2-1 Heat.

Speaker 7 I'm going to say

Speaker 7 2-1 Celtics.

Speaker 1 Okay. I'm also going to throw in there 2-1 Heat.

Speaker 1 Jalen Brown got COVID.

Speaker 1 I'm going to throw that.

Speaker 1 I think they might be in trouble with the COVID, which is bullshit.

Speaker 4 2-1 Heat. I like that.

Speaker 4 I'm a big head. 2-1 Heat.

Speaker 4 What about the other one, though? I'm trying to think of one.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go two one mavs. Ooh, spicy.

Speaker 7 Bad for Luca, though.

Speaker 1 Did you see Luca drinking a beer this morning? Yeah, awesome. I did.

Speaker 7 Were he drank one this morning?

Speaker 1 He was, someone got a picture of him. He was having lunch at like, it was probably like 11 a.m.
San Francisco time, and he was just like, you guys can help me out with this flyer peanuts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, someone was like, I think the quote tweet that I tweeted was like,

Speaker 1 Slav's going to slop or something.

Speaker 1 Slav on my knob. He was with Bobon.
Oh, he was. Okay, yeah.
So they're just.

Speaker 4 Why is Luca so likable? And why, like,

Speaker 4 I've been thinking about this, that the foreign players seem very likable, and the Americans do not.

Speaker 1 Luca's likable now. I think he's kind of a prickable.

Speaker 1 You think we're going to hate him?

Speaker 7 I think Luca's kind of a prick, actually. But in a way that I respect and like that in a guy.

Speaker 4 But that's what I mean. Like, he's very...
Like, if it was any other person laughing at the other team every single time you made a shot.

Speaker 1 I think it's actually very simple.

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 1 there's a lot foreign

Speaker 1 as like standing here right now.

Speaker 1 There has not been a prominent foreign guy who's tried to force his way out of a situation like a James Harden, like a Kairi. I think that actually plays.
I think Giannis sticking with Milwaukee.

Speaker 4 Like if Giannis

Speaker 1 going through the process years. If Giannis said he wanted to play for the Lakers, people wouldn't like Giannis.

Speaker 1 They would destroy Giannis.

Speaker 4 Jokic the same way that he was.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like staying with your team.

Speaker 4 Almost getting swept and he's just kind of like, I'm going to stick around.

Speaker 1 Right. I think people will hate Luca.

Speaker 1 I love watching him play basketball, but I think he will, because he does complain a lot. Yes.
And

Speaker 1 like anything in sports, if he wins two titles in the next four years, let's say. Yeah.
People.

Speaker 4 Which is why he shouldn't win. Yeah, exactly.
It's bad for Luca if he wins.

Speaker 1 Right. Do not win the title.

Speaker 7 Just always have him be a possibility to win. Yeah.
And then if he's always the slight underdog, the people continue to root for him.

Speaker 1 The dirk. Just win once.

Speaker 7 I also think he's showing some personality. And I think that people, by and large, now like a little bit of personality.
Like, yeah, he can be a prick sometimes, but it's something to talk about.

Speaker 1 He's just so

Speaker 1 like, I don't, when you watch him, I mean, I just,

Speaker 1 it's, it's a crazy thing that he does where he's moving in sometimes slow motion, but he's so precise and like good with his body that it just, it's so perfect. He plays perfect basketball.

Speaker 4 I would just crawl up into him if I was guarding him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would just pressure him.

Speaker 4 I would pressure him a little more, make him go left. And then when he picks picks up his dribble to shoot, just put a hand up.

Speaker 1 Yep, close out.

Speaker 7 Well, when they pick up the dribble, they have to get rid of it somewhere. So get on the ball.

Speaker 1 Get in his jersey. Yeah.
I'd get in his jersey.

Speaker 4 You see a lot of guys do that when you're guarding him. He'll pick up his dribble, and then you see guys continue to move one way, and you're like, idiot, he can't keep dribbling now.

Speaker 1 He can't go anywhere. He can't travel if he keeps going.

Speaker 4 But you see, like Cam Johnson, for example, like Lugo would stop, and Cam Johnson would like fall down and keep going that way. And you're like, why would you do that?

Speaker 1 You got to keep your balance.

Speaker 1 Keep your balance. Guard the belly button.

Speaker 7 But then also, on the flip side of that, when he first gets the ball, don't fall for the pump fake. Keep your feet on the ground.

Speaker 1 Great point. That's how you say puka.
Great point. I love teaching guard the belly button.

Speaker 1 They can't go anywhere without their belly button. That's the whole thing.

Speaker 1 You can't. You can't.

Speaker 1 If you're guarding the arms, the hands, the paws. Your head can go over.
Yeah, your belly button.

Speaker 1 You can't go anywhere without that belly button.

Speaker 7 I had a coach one time tell me to guard their neck.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 7 It was the same logic. It was like, if the neck's going someplace, the rest of the body's going to follow.

Speaker 1 But the problem is you hear that

Speaker 4 when you're seven years old, you have a coach tell you that. You're like, okay, I'm going to do that on defense.
But then when you're on offense, you think, are they watching my next?

Speaker 1 And then you're just like throwing your neck around.

Speaker 1 Bobblehead. All right, so what's that? So you have 2-1 Mavs? I'll go 2-1 Warriors.

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 this is an either or. This is a classic either or.
Yeah. I could see it either way.

Speaker 4 I think it might be a stayaway, honestly.

Speaker 1 I think stayaway. This is classic.
It's a Milwaukee series.

Speaker 4 It could go.

Speaker 1 It's a

Speaker 4 I really do. I think about it.
I see the Mavericks winning, but then

Speaker 4 I could see the Warriors winning.

Speaker 1 The Warriors could win. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 It's a stayaway. Okay.
I'm going to stay away. I'm not touching this one.

Speaker 4 I'm doing Warriors in a sweep.

Speaker 1 Why not? Whoa. Just get crazy.
The Mavs and the Heat fans are like, if it's Mavs Heath in the finals, it's going to be just a war of like who's being disrespected in the future. Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 4 Do people, people, I feel like at this stage in the NBA playoffs, nobody has the the balls to predict sweeps anymore.

Speaker 1 PFT tries. I tried.

Speaker 1 It was the Nets over the Celtics.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 No, I mean, at the conference final stage as well.

Speaker 4 Like, when you get this deep into it, because all four of these teams have obviously been playing well, I feel like people are scared to have the balls to just be like, I get that the Mavs beat the Suns, but they're dog shit.

Speaker 4 The Warriors are going to sweep them.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, the Celtics are going to get swept.

Speaker 7 I think that the Mavs are going to jump out two to one, and then the Warriors are going to win the series.

Speaker 1 Wow. How about that? I like that.
How about that for nuts on the line?

Speaker 7 You should do a Wampus bet against Jake.

Speaker 1 Do you ever did?

Speaker 1 Jake.

Speaker 4 I've never. No,

Speaker 4 I almost did one time.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 That's fucking nuts.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. You're fucking wild bet.
Oh, I do remember what I was going to ask you way back when I lost my train of thought. Number one pick, who's it going to be?

Speaker 4 I think it's going to be Chet. I think it would be.

Speaker 4 I think I was thinking Jabari was going to go number one before the lottery happened, but then I think Orlando is going to love Chet.

Speaker 1 And Jalen Suggs played high school together.

Speaker 4 I think that's going to win out in the end.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I just.

Speaker 1 It's weird because I actually think this is a, I mean, this draft actually has like a few guys. I'm like, oh, I could see him being a really good NBA player.

Speaker 4 The more I think back on like draft things I got wrong or like I misread or whatever else,

Speaker 4 the more I'm wondering if like Jaden Ivey should just be considered the best in this draft because he's the one of the of the guys at the top.

Speaker 1 Nah, dude, I'm of the Gar Foreman school of scouting. He lost to St.
Peter's. No thanks.
You just judge by based on the tournament. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. Uh-uh.

Speaker 1 If our man Mondo Baycott was coming out, he'd be my first picker overall. That's a good point.

Speaker 4 Jayden Ivey almost hit the shot at the end.

Speaker 4 Was that for the win or for the tie, Jake? Do you remember? The Jaden Ivey.

Speaker 1 I think they were down three. They were down three, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 He thought that was going in.

Speaker 1 You can't lose to St. Peters and be a pick, pick, a number one pick.

Speaker 8 It was 67, 64.

Speaker 4 So I don't think he was.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 You've scrambled my brain out. You could just

Speaker 4 all the other people at the top are like big dudes that I like. Like, Jabari's not going to have the ball in his hand at the end of games.
And Chet, who the hell knows

Speaker 4 how teams are going to use him on offense? And I guess Paolo Bank. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Who's the guy that's going to follow me?

Speaker 7 In the draft, that's going to be like 10 or above that probably the Spurs will end up getting. and you'll be like, oh, fuck, how did everybody miss on this guy?

Speaker 1 Oh, man. I got an answer.

Speaker 1 Who's your answer? I think A.J. Griffin's going to be really good, but he's got like injury shit.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That people will tell themselves that they're not into it.

Speaker 1 He'll probably go more like seven-ish, but I think he could be one of those guys that in three or four years, you're like, oh, he's perfect for the NBA. He just makes every three.

Speaker 4 I agree with that. A.J.
Griffin is one of my favorite guys on Duke the Shira.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he actually didn't hate him. I loved him.
Yeah. Yeah.
Which is hard to say. I kind of like Kiels.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Kiels is, yeah, he's playing the wrong sport. He needs to be playing football.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was about to say that's why I like him. Yeah, that's probably why you like him.

Speaker 7 Admittedly, this whole season, I've been like, he's like a running back.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he, he, uh, I, Malachi Branham from Ohio State was a guy that I was really excited to be a steal for somebody, but like, it seems like every time I read anything about how his draft process is going, he's shooting up draft boards.

Speaker 4 So I don't think he's going to surprise anybody.

Speaker 4 I'm curious what's going to happen with the old school centers like Mark Williams at Duke and Walker Kessler at Auburn and guys like that that are like incredible shot blockers and can run the floor and,

Speaker 4 you know, just dunk.

Speaker 4 You watch them play in college. They're just dunking it every time they get it anywhere around the rim.
And if it was 1996, they might be one and two. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you could do anything elite, though, I think you can be on it.

Speaker 1 If you can protect the rim at an elite level, you can't be a superstar. You're not going to be an everyday starter, but you'll have a spot on a roster.

Speaker 1 If you can hit threes, you'll have a spot on the roster.

Speaker 4 I'm so excited for Chet, though. I'm so excited for the Chet takes because

Speaker 4 he's got to be your guys' dream from a take perspective.

Speaker 4 He is the number one, I think, prospect for takes that has ever existed in any Bay Draft ever.

Speaker 1 Because you just have to look at him and you have a take. Yes.

Speaker 1 Everybody has a take.

Speaker 4 You could go walk around Manhattan and just show a picture of Chet Holmer and be like, what's your take?

Speaker 1 You tried to give him KD's old nickname. So the Slim Reaper.

Speaker 7 He's got that body type right now. KD got rid of it.
That should belong to Chet now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He probably can't bench.
Oh,

Speaker 1 Chet in here. Is Johnny Davis going to be good in the pros? I hope so.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's got to be.

Speaker 1 He's got to be. Thank you.
All right. I appreciate it.
How much can we bench?

Speaker 4 How much can I bench?

Speaker 4 It's a sad scene.

Speaker 1 We're sore anyway. We played this.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm tired.

Speaker 1 I'm tired of it.

Speaker 7 You want to lift after you shoot?

Speaker 4 I was trying to remember how much Billy benched last time. 225.

Speaker 1 Check behind you. Oh, you got 75.
275.

Speaker 7 Yeah, 275. Going for $2.95 soon.

Speaker 1 Maybe I'll.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah.
All right. Soon.
That's like LeBron Q ⁇ A soon.

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Please let us know what Russil says back

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Speaker 4 He still is not texting. I think he's on a pull right now, yeah.
I will let you know if he's.

Speaker 4 I'm going with ignored is probably.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap it up. The Dallas Mavericks are dead.
We waited till after the game to record the end of the show. The Dallas Mavericks are dead.
Friday night, they were alive for a half.

Speaker 1 Steph Curry happened, put him to sleep. Sunday night, they were alive for a quarter.

Speaker 7 Two quarters. They won

Speaker 7 two quarters. Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 we're a big quarter podcast.

Speaker 7 So it was a tie.

Speaker 1 It was a tie.

Speaker 1 For anyone who's out there who

Speaker 1 maybe we give this to Stad Hole Sports. Who has won the most quarters this year in the entire regular season of the NBA? Oh, shit.
That would be a lot of work.

Speaker 1 But I would like to know who the quarter gods are. That would be nice to just figure out, you know, this is the team that has won the most quarters on aggregate.

Speaker 7 I'll bet you low-key, some of the worst teams in the league always win one quarter.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like the fourth quarter.
For sure.

Speaker 7 They're getting blown out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, low-key.

Speaker 7 Low-key.

Speaker 1 At what point do you think low-key we're going to low-key be using low-key non-ironically to make fun of Billy? Because I think it's seeping in our head.

Speaker 7 No, definitely. We're not capping anymore.

Speaker 1 Right. It's going to suck when we start saying it and we're like, fuck.
Why do we sound like Billy?

Speaker 7 We've definitely already reached that point and surpassed it. I think last Friday was probably the first time.

Speaker 1 It's a major crutch for him. Yeah, it's just basically anytime he has a feeling, he's just like, low-key, I'm hungry.

Speaker 7 It's the Zoomer's way of saying no offense.

Speaker 1 But it doesn't matter what the fuck you say after that. It's not even used in no offense for him.
He uses it in everything where he's like, low-key, I think I'm going to go to the gym today.

Speaker 1 It's like, you're just telling me what you're doing.

Speaker 1 Low-key, it's nice out.

Speaker 7 Billy needs entrance and exit words for every sentence that he says. So, like, if he just got caught lying and he wants to, like, transition to something else, he'll be like.

Speaker 1 Anyways, and then we'll just move on.

Speaker 7 He just needs like an in and out of every thought that he has.

Speaker 1 But good news about this game, by the way, back to my point about the blowouts.

Speaker 1 This technically counts as less than 10 points, even though it felt like a blowout, had blowout energy the entire second half. We had a nine-point game, so I guess that counts as a competitive game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and

Speaker 7 if you listen to our predictions with Titus about what this series was going to look at, we were doing a bit.

Speaker 1 What did I say?

Speaker 7 I think I said Mavs 3-0 or 2-2-1.

Speaker 1 No, do you?

Speaker 1 The first game had been. I was right about the heat, and then I think I said 2-1 Warriors.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think I said 2-1 Mavs at that that point. That was a joke.
I was doing a bid on that one because I knew that Andrew Wiggins was going to explode tonight.

Speaker 1 It's nice to be...

Speaker 1 We were talking about, what did you say, $31 million he makes?

Speaker 7 Yeah, $31 million. People forget he was a number one overall pick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's nice to play on the Warriors.

Speaker 1 It still stands that I think Andrew Wiggins has gotten probably unfairly scrutinized. Well, maybe fairly scrutinized at points in his career because he wasn't.

Speaker 1 up to that one number one pick standard, but he's a great fit for the Warriors.

Speaker 1 And when you play with steph and clay and draymond and you're playing like smart basketball around and those guys can have all the attention in the world on them it makes you a lot it makes your life a lot easier and he has had a very good playoffs and he's a key part of what they're trying to do and win a title i have a thought for you pft

Speaker 1 i am i i i put a future on the warriors we talked about it before the play or after the first game of the playoffs switch my pick to the warriors i'm rooting for them i also think like I don't know why, but I just want the Warriors to win another title just as, like, a thank you to them for all the awesome basketball they've let us watch.

Speaker 7 Well, allowing them to win another title would be like us being like, my bad for hitting on you guys after you were too good for a while.

Speaker 1 Right, because we got sick of the, and everyone got sick of the stretch where it was Warriors Cavs every single year, and you get it.

Speaker 1 And the Kevin Durant going to Golden State pissed a lot of people off. But

Speaker 1 I was like, I had a moment where I was like, I don't, don't, I actually genuinely like everyone on the Warriors, and they have played incredible basketball that's been so much fun to watch.

Speaker 1 Why not have them win another title where it kind of caps off everything they've done? And you can look at it and say, Steph Curry with four, Clay with four, Draymond with four.

Speaker 1 This team is like all-time great.

Speaker 1 Everyone already knows they're all-time great from what they did, but having that extra title after they're all past their peak, after the injuries, after Kevin Durant, would be nice.

Speaker 7 I'm just going to make the call right now. This championship, if they win it, it counts as part of their dynasty.

Speaker 7 This one definitely counts because you could make the case. You've got the bubble year.

Speaker 7 You've got the

Speaker 1 Raptors doesn't count.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Raptors winning. That was weird.
You've got the injury year. Yep.

Speaker 1 That definitely

Speaker 7 years. Yeah, two injury years.
That's right, because Clay took a sweet time down here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he got re-injured. He got re-injured again.

Speaker 7 So, yeah, two injury years. This officially counts as part of their dynasty.
And they are fun to watch. And I love

Speaker 7 what Wiggins is doing right now. I'm very very happy to see that.
The dunk that he had, they tried to take that away from us. Uh-huh.
That dunk, if you commit a foul on a dunk, it should not count.

Speaker 7 No. As long as your hand grabs the rim, the ball goes through, you should be able to do whatever you want in the act of shooting.
And the dunk negates any foul that you may have committed.

Speaker 1 And a cool dunk like that should never be taken off.

Speaker 1 I'm happy they used their challenge on that, which they didn't really need to.

Speaker 7 Maybe the referees were like, that dunk was so cool. Let's call it wrong and then hope that it gets challenged and we get to watch it a million times on replay.

Speaker 1 By the way, we haven't talked about this.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is about. Maybe it's just, you know, basketball is easier to have someone look at it and you can kind of tell right away that, oh, that call was bad.

Speaker 1 Basketball coaches are awesome at challenges

Speaker 1 compared to football coaches.

Speaker 1 I feel like they always get it right.

Speaker 7 In the NFL, they just do, man, that sucks. I really hope.
I really wish that play didn't happen the way that it did. Right.
So they use the challenge flag on that one.

Speaker 7 Hopefully, like they'll see something that didn't happen and overturn the call.

Speaker 1 Please be in the, yeah, please have broken the plane.

Speaker 7 Well, I think it's like most coaches in the NFL, if you're like a bottom-tier coach,

Speaker 7 you just every single bad play that happens to you, you think in the back of your head, like, I might lose my job because we lost this game.

Speaker 7 So they're coaching out of panic and they're challenging out of panic. And other times you just can't find your challenge flag if you're Jeff Fisher.
But in the NBA, I feel like they have a better

Speaker 7 line of responsibility that it goes through.

Speaker 7 But they probably have someone whose whose dedicated job is just to know the rules really well and then to let the coach know whether or not you should challenge it.

Speaker 2 The strategy always gets confusing, though, too, though. Because you only have one.
Right.

Speaker 1 So a lot of them save it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think you basically.

Speaker 2 Like when people do it in the first quarter or the first half, it's like, what's the point?

Speaker 1 Yeah, everyone, the smart coaches basically save it for if my star player gets in foul trouble, I need to keep this challenge in my back pocket.

Speaker 1 But I, I, maybe it's, maybe someone will show me the stats and I'm way off, but it feels like the challenges are, for the most part, successful.

Speaker 1 And they have like the little green light that goes off.

Speaker 2 It's also just not listening to your players. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like if you challenge me.

Speaker 2 Because every player wants to challenge every single call against them.

Speaker 7 Marcus Smart is the king of that.

Speaker 2 And Raymond.

Speaker 7 Marcus Smart has never committed a foul in his life.

Speaker 8 Everyone, when they commit a foul, they just do the review, review, review.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 8 Because no one's ever committed a foul before. Yeah.
I just love when they do this.

Speaker 1 It's like the home run sign. Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's going to be a womp.

Speaker 7 That's going to be a sweep. I'm starting to feel better about the take that they're doing Luca a disservice by advancing this far.

Speaker 7 And again, as we said in the interview, I don't necessarily believe it, but I am like putting my flag out there and waiting for somebody else in the media to run with that narrative.

Speaker 7 I'm almost like calling the take in advance that it's going to happen.

Speaker 1 Yes, it absolutely will happen.

Speaker 1 Hockey, we have the Battle of Alberta got serious tonight because

Speaker 1 Milan Luchich ran Mike Smith. A lot of fighting.
Oilers are up now 2-1.

Speaker 7 You never touch another man's goalie.

Speaker 1 Never, ever.

Speaker 1 and it was it's been an awesome series um i just love the battle of alberta just i just i like saying it i like looking at a map being like oh they're only two hours away from each other it's just everything about it's fun it does sound like a movie starring daniel day lewis yeah involving trains somehow i also looked up calgary the other day and calgary If you like, it always blows my mind, but the population of Calgary is like over a million people, and 100 years ago, it was like 2,000 people.

Speaker 1 That shit just blows my mind. It exploded.
Where it's like, or even 40 years ago, it was like 400,000 people.

Speaker 1 Think about being like a 90-year-old person in Calgary and be like, Yeah, I remember when I knew everyone's name here.

Speaker 7 That would be nuts. Hank, I'm just curious.

Speaker 7 And actually, I would not be very good at this either, but I'm curious to know, like, through your lens, if I were to say, like, what part of Canada is Calgary in? What part of Canada is Edmonton in?

Speaker 7 What part of Canada is

Speaker 1 Winnipeg? I know Toronto. No, those are the three.
You've had some context clues about Calgary and Edmonton.

Speaker 7 Calgary, Sentinel, and Winnipeg on a map. If, like, your hand, if you're looking at your hand and that's Canada.

Speaker 1 You get the province.

Speaker 1 Even though we've said it. Alberta.
Yeah, there we go. That's an easy one.
Just see one go through the hoop.

Speaker 2 Finish your hand analogy. I need as much

Speaker 2 as broad as possible.

Speaker 1 So this is the hand. Yeah.
So let's give you this one. This is Montreal here.
Let's say this is Montreal here.

Speaker 7 And then Vancouver is the pinky. This is the pinky.

Speaker 1 He's got, he's thinking.

Speaker 2 Next to the pinky.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's right. I think that's right.

Speaker 7 That's Alberta.

Speaker 1 I think it's right. What about Winnipeg?

Speaker 1 Winnipeg, I think. Middle finger is the middle finger.
Yeah, Toronto would be the pointer finger. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Damn it. Geographical genius.
Yeah, no big deal. You are.

Speaker 7 You know, Sphere. You know, Globe.
Yep.

Speaker 1 What other hockeys? Oh, the Lightning are just going to win it all again. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Kind of sick.
Sorry, Jake. It's not over.
What really is over? Shut up. It's over.

Speaker 7 3-0. It's over.

Speaker 1 No, it's over.

Speaker 7 How many periods have the

Speaker 8 two goals in the three games?

Speaker 7 That's not great.

Speaker 7 It sucks for the Maple Leafs because everyone called it like a choke job, them losing.

Speaker 1 But they might have

Speaker 7 actually, but they might have lost to the best team in the NHL.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Still choke.
And we also had

Speaker 1 Biz was very prescient, like that SAT word right there.

Speaker 4 Three goals in three games.

Speaker 1 Saying that Nazim Qadri is the key to the avalanche that Edgie plays on. Well, the key is to get the blues goalie, Bennington, out for the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 Dirty. It actually wasn't that dirty of a play, I don't think.
I think it was a bang-bang play, and if it had happened to anyone else,

Speaker 1 it would have been a story. But then you had Bennington throwing a water bottle at Khadri after the game when he was doing an interview with Biz.

Speaker 7 I also think that goalies are some of the best floppers in sports. Yes.
Hockey goalies, if you get touched, you go down.

Speaker 7 And we were talking to Rudy, who played college hockey, and he's, I think, a pretty good hockey national champion, nobody. National champion at Denver.
Right. And he was saying that

Speaker 1 two minutes of ice time.

Speaker 7 Goalie helmets. Maybe, maybe.
Goalie helmets are like engineered to not really protect you, so they fly off super easy. Yeah.

Speaker 7 So anytime you touch a goalie and the mask goes flying across the ice, it's actually great for the effect of it. They're great at special events.

Speaker 1 There's his head, Ichabod Crane.

Speaker 7 It looks like a Michael Bay movie anytime you get in the crease.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Let's have me.
Where's memes? Can we get memes in here? Let's wrap up with him telling us about the Rangers win.

Speaker 7 Just torture him a little bit.

Speaker 7 I don't like when the Hurricanes

Speaker 1 hates the Rangers so much. He hates the Rangers more than he likes the Islanders.

Speaker 7 I don't like when the Hurricanes wear their Ranger knockoff jerseys. I especially don't like it when they play against the Rangers wearing the canes like diagonal slanted fonts across their chest.

Speaker 7 It looks like you're trying too hard.

Speaker 1 What did you just say, Hank?

Speaker 1 No, this isn't his debut. Corporate Hank would know.
He did his rant last year. Memes has been on the show.

Speaker 1 Another inside joke that Hank misses. Do you feel a little lost, Hank? Yeah, he's nodding.
Quick, we're going to finish. We're going to do the ping-pong balls for nut shots.
Okay.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just kidding. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 But give us your thoughts on the Rangers' win.

Speaker 1 Expected. Okay.

Speaker 1 Playoff hockey. They're not terrible.

Speaker 1 You hear that, guys? That was a nice compliment.

Speaker 1 Hurricane's very good at home. They've lost every game away.

Speaker 1 Just got to hold home ice. Yeah, hold home ice.
I knew they were going to lose tonight. I think they'll win when do they play? Tuesday?

Speaker 1 Tuesday, and then they'll finish them up at home.

Speaker 7 Okay. What did you think about the streets of New York flooded with Rangers jerseys today?

Speaker 1 Those are your people, right? It was terrible. I took the train in.
Yeah. Just not living with them.
You were seeing that? People are like, oh, I'm going to fly out game seven.

Speaker 1 They're booking their tickets already. Really? Yeah.
They're only down 2-1. Yep.
Why wouldn't it? This is like Dwight Schroot in the Hell Hotel. Why wouldn't you,

Speaker 1 in your best dream, wouldn't you be like, we win game six at home ice?

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, they're already. No,

Speaker 1 they've already lost another one in their mind.

Speaker 7 They win one, then it's best of three.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a dream scenario. It goes seven.

Speaker 1 Okay, thank you, memes. You want to do your what number are you, ping pong ball? 69.
69? Okay. Six.

Speaker 7 I'm going to do

Speaker 7 51. 26.

Speaker 1 10.

Speaker 8 25.

Speaker 7 And if Hank gets it, he has to hit Jake in the nuts again.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Jake, for finishing out the show.

Speaker 1 Two. Derek Cheetah.
Derek Cheeter.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 I told you this before, the moment I saw lettuce and tomato on a Philly cheesestick, I knew

Speaker 1 I don't know why. I don't know what happened with that.

Speaker 7 How's your butt doing?

Speaker 8 It's hanging in there. Thanks to dude wipes.

Speaker 1 There we go.

Speaker 7 Dude wipes. Yeah.
Love you guys.

Speaker 7 An ostrich's eyes are bigger than its brain. Loki.

Speaker 1 Loki?

Speaker 1 Yo, bitch, you can't fuck with me if you want to. Be expensive, please.

Speaker 1 I'm quick. Cut a nigga up with one comfortable.
Look, I don't dance now, I make money more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't start to dance, I make money more. But I feel now speak, that means I don't fuck with you.
I'm off balls, you a work to bitch. I make love when I see that seat, go to water hoop.

Speaker 1 Let's find out the people calling me. You know where I'm at, you know where I be.
You when the club is too party, I'm there, I get fair seat. I see in the night, so much I know they body.

Speaker 1 Don't give a fuck about who ain't following me. Try to make sense and business ones will be crazy in the body.

Speaker 1 I don't bother with these cold, don't let these ones bother me. They see bitches, they say cold, bitch, I'm who they try me.
Look, I might just tell you, babe, I'm at the chill with your room.

Speaker 1 I'm at the fill on your bed. My cousin feel like a lake.
He wanna come with a face. I'm like, okay, I didn't have what he wanted.
He got me easy to prompt.

Speaker 1 And then you went, when you go back to the horse, I got the crypt in the booth. I'm not hottest in the street.
No, you probably heard of me. Got a bag and fix my teeth.

Speaker 1 Hopefully you hold no one in the cheek. And I get my mama pill.
I ain't got no time to tell. Then these girls be mad at me.
They baby father, what a pill.

Speaker 1 These special pieces bad father.

Speaker 1 Then I'm quick, cut a nigga off, cause some good guns full. Look, I don't dance now, I make money move.

Speaker 1 Say, I don't gotta dance, I make money move. If I see you now, beat, that means I don't buff you.
I'm a boss, you a rich bitch, I make blood move. If you a pussy, you get blocked.

Speaker 1 You a pussy, you a opp. Bet you come around my way, you can't hang around my clock.
And I just take my accounts until I'm rich, I'm rich, I'm richer. Put my hand up on my hip, I bet you 50, 50, 50.

Speaker 1 I think I get the money and gold. gold, because it's hot at the soul, about to be good as gold.
How that little bitch they hold bro, I need to work in the hole. I just came up with no ray.

Speaker 1 I need to spin up the cash, now I need to spin up the stay. I need to let up these hoes, walls and none of them niggas are checked.
I'm gonna sit down and take, I'll keep the root to relay.

Speaker 1 I used to live on the peak, now I'm the crew with a cake. Might be that charms of life on the cake.
I feel like you're bitch, yo. If they give me fuck a block, I just want it, but you know I none it.

Speaker 1 But I'm on the walkin' little bitch, you can't look for me if you want to.

Speaker 1 He's thirsty, it's cool. I can't get them worse, I don't want to.
Then I'm quick, for them niggas don't get dumb for look. I don't dance now, I make money move.

Speaker 1 Say, I don't fight a dance, I make money move. What's that seem now on speech? Got me trying to bug through.
I'ma ball through a break with bitch, I make blood moves.