Mark Titus, Justin Thomas Wins The PGA & NBA/NHL Playoffs

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What a PGA Championship. It was an awesome finish.
It was. It was great.
Now, the field going into Sunday didn't look that strong. It looked like it might be kind of a boring one for all the golf casuals out there, not us.
Not us. Not real, what do you call it, dimple heads? Dimple heads, yeah.
Not real dimple heads like me and Big Cat. We're course monsters.
Yeah, we did root for the course, and the course, I'll say this about the course it had almost a robert ory type showing where it was like solid not spectacular but it came through in the clutch when it counted yeah on that on the 18th hole you had uh mito perera oof from chile teeing off and it was he he turned into charles barkley on the 18th hole it was crazy watching his drive, he just, he spazzed out in the middle of a swing. It was also, we were all, I think, everyone who was watching was rooting for the same thing because the PGA Championship has a three-hole playoff.
We were rooting for him to bogey so that then there's a three-man, three-hole playoff. He just went completely off the reservation, hit it into the water, then hit it, I think, maybe over the green, then another one, like all over the place, total disaster.
I don't know how you mentally can ever come back from something like that. I know that sounds extreme, but you're leading by one, and you were leading basically all day.
Essentially, everyone, no one wanted to win this tournament. That's why you get Justin Thomas coming back from seven strokes down to start the day.
But yeah, Mito Pereira. I mean, I guess the only solace you can have is he still won $800,000.
That's pretty good. He lost like $1.3 million on that hole.
It just occurred to me that as a Chilean, he would be very, very close to the water at all times. Yes.
That's kind of a tradition that they have there. Yes.
Now, he does have the fact that it's not the worst 18th hole meltdown in the history of the majors. Correct.
That will forever be Vanderveld, the French guy that ended up taking off his socks at the 18th hole. Trying to hit him out of the water.
Yeah, that was awesome. Trying to be Jesus Christ.
That was awesome. I wish that Mito had tried to do that.
Me too. That would have been incredible.
Wait, that was kind of me too. Me too.
Me too. He got me too'd.
Yeah. He got me too'd on the 18th.
He's just the Chilean Mike Pereira, I guess. Yeah, exactly.
That's the whole thing. The whole time I was like, okay, well, cool.
I know how to pronounce his name. Yeah.
Because of football. So Justin Thomas wins.
I didn't realize this. I always knew it was the Wanamaker trophy, which is a great trophy, I think.
Yep. I think that's the one that got broken a couple years ago yes by morikawa i believe so so not only do you get a nice purse you get all those exemptions into like basically every tournament for five years but you also get the money clip you get like the pga champions money clip when you win this and that's the most golf thing ever to be like hey we're giving you so much money that part of the trophy is going to be something that you can use to keep all the money together with.
Yes. I think the real MVP was the guy that was standing next to the tee box on the 18th hole, and he yelled, smash the driver.
He was like, smash the driver at Mito. There's no – why would you ever hit driver on the 18th after Mito? You saw it.
Basically, we had the same exact thing happen in the playoff where Will Zalatoris and Justin Thomas, Justin Thomas with the insane, drove the green in a par four in the second hole of the playoff. Then he gets up to 18, same spot, up by one.
And he was like, okay, I'm not going to screw this up. I think he maybe.
No, no, no, he did actually. He hit driver.
It was Will who actually didn't hit driver on 18 there. But yeah, Justin Thomas was like, fuck it.
Yeah, the commenters were like, that's what Mito should have done. When Will hit his tree wood, it's like, damn, still throwing salt in.
But yeah, why would you risk it? Because that guy was so convincing. If you go back and you listen to the replay, as he's walking up to the 18th seed, there's this one guy, this drunk Tolson, just screaming at the top of his lungs his lungs smash the driver and then you hear a woman from the other side go no don't play it safe play it safe and the guy's like no smash it and he's like you know what that guy won the argument i'm gonna go with him brutal brutal i mean man i also absolutely brutal i also love short par fours yeah that's what that's what really won the tournament for jt was when he drove the green on the short par four.
And maybe now Alabama gets a little smoke off of Saban because Justin Thomas. This does count as a championship for Alabama.
That's a good point. I also have an MVP.
It is golf writer for ESPN. His name is Kevin Van Valkenburg.
Oh, yeah. I like Kevin.
Yep. I do, too, I too I think I don't know but he wrote an article on Saturday after McElroy and Justin Thomas had a bad Saturday and he was talking about how they basically uh another opportunity has passed them by and he wrote both McElroy and Thomas grew up idolizing woods Tiger Woods if you don't know especially the way he climbed the leaderboard on days like this one at Southern Hills.
He did it even when he didn't have his best stuff. Both men were mentored by Woods early in their careers and among a small circle of players who can call the 15-time major winner a friend.
But what has become apparent watching them is that Woods could not pass down the ruthlessness that ran through him like an electric current, particularly in majors. He passed along strategy secrets and occasional bits of swing theory, but he could not hand over the cold-blooded ferociousness that helped him dominate the sport.
And so he basically was like, yeah, these guys stink. They're not Tiger Woods.
And then Justin Thomas goes and has a seven-stroke comeback to win the tournament in a playoff. I mean, he played awesome on Sunday.
Awesome. Justin Thomas was really, really good.
It was very quickly that a storyline of these guys don't have that killer edge out the window. Now, Rory, you could say the same for, or you could still say it because he's been very disappointing with what you saw on Thursday where he kicked the shit out of everyone.
Rory is now officially, when he has best, he can't be beat. His best doesn't come out like consistently enough.
Yeah. It's like a great pitcher when he's, when he's on his stuff, when the humidity is just right.
Rory's unbeatable. But yeah, I, I'd like to see Rory get back involved.
I feel like he's playing good golf right now. I was rooting.
I was rooting for, uh, years, right? Yeah. Yeah.
He played well at the masters. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he's playing better than he has in the last four years, three years. I can't confidently speak on that.
I've just seen his name. I've seen his name more.
Hank, is he striking the ball better than he has? I have no idea. He was hitting long drivers in the beginning.
I know he played great on Thursday. He did have that last round at the Masters.
Rory's, I think he's become like a backdoor cover guy for top fives. He shows up on Sundays when he's out and he comes back in.
But yeah, he's striking the ball well. I'm going to place a hefty bet on Rory in the Open Championship.
Beautiful. I feel like that's where, I'm just going to say it's in Northern Ireland this year, so it's Rory's home course.
By the way, shout out to PGA Championship for moving their championship up because it does feel more important now. Remember, it used to always be four.
Yeah, at the end. Everyone's like, oh, who cares? End of the summer.
It doesn't matter. This one actually felt like a major.
I think that they should... I love what the US Open used to do.
I don't know if they still do with their overtime, as you said at the start of the show. They do like an entire day's worth, like an 18-hole playoff, which that was incredible when it was Tiger Woods and Rocco Mediate back in like 2008, 2009.
That day in the office, that right there is the most counterproductive office day of all time across America, I would imagine.

Like, everyone that works in a cubicle.

Yeah, tournament.

No, I think that was bigger than tournament

because it's like everybody was watching all day long.

I don't think college.

I mean, come on, it's the NCAA tournament.

Yeah, but I mean, think about white-collar workers in cubicles.

Right.

Tiger Woods in the playoff all day.

They're watching tournament.

All day.

That one day, I think, would dwarf the tournament.

So I actually don't know where the open chance. oh, it's at the old course this year.
Yeah, fuck it. It's Rory's home course.
So let's all bet on Rory in the Open. Yeah, he's playing great golf.
He's playing great golf. I was going to say it really felt like a major because they moved it up minus the part where Max Homa finished top 20.
That part didn't feel like a major because we were like, what the hell? What is he doing here? He shot perfectly even. Yeah.
I think it's time that we as a podcast have to acknowledge that Max is good. No, this is – I actually texted him.
He's just good at golf. I texted him, congratulations.
This is part of the baby steps we talked to him about. He made the Masters, then we said you've got to start finishing top 20.
By next year, he's going to win every every major i'm fully confident in that and let's just say it he had to deal with the sniffles all weekend he had allergies and i i mean i've never seen anything as heroic as that i know people were talking about tiger who made the cut let's just say when he shot bad on saturday and then like tiger's good tiger's good at his spin zones he spin zones. He's good at controlling the narrative.
Everyone's like, this guy, how is he walking? How does he make a cut? And then he shoots horrendous on Saturday and pulls out and everyone's like, I'm just so thankful he even gave us three days. I think what happened was Tiger pulled out because he had the sniffles and he couldn't battle through the sniffles.
Max made the sniffles his bitch. He shot a perfect even par.
So this was Max's best finish at a major, tied for 13th. And if he just makes the cut at the U.S.
Open in Massachusetts this summer, he'll officially have made the cut at all four majors. I was very proud of him.
That's the Max Slam. Yeah, like a Max Slam.
Making the cut at all four in your career. I was very proud of him.
It was big for him. And our guy, Will Zaltoros, came up short, sucked.
He's one of those guys that, you know, speaking as, what do we call ourselves? Dipple heads. We know golf better than anyone.
As soon as he figures out his putter, he's going to win every major. And by figures out his putter, you mean like gets a putter, gets a better putter.
I think his, like watching his putting stroke, whenever he pulls it back, it like shakes. I don't think that you're supposed to do that.
I think it's supposed to go straight back and straight forward. Yeah.
Yes, that's what we're taught. Yeah.
We're also – But we're like students of the game. I think he – was there like a right-to-left putt that he had? And Jim Nance said something like, oh, there's that right-to- left he struggles with.
It's like, wait, isn't that like half the time? 50% of the shots, ideally, yeah. What the fuck? So the total field was 156 players at the PGA.
Max had 157 because he was fighting his own body. Correct.
So I'd say like Max is the real winner this weekend. Yes.
I actually am legitimately, no bullshit aside, proud of him. And I'm saying that because he actually hit a birdie on 18 that pushed his head-to-head with the guy he was playing with.
And if he had missed that, I would be full Max Slander right now. I would have been calling him the biggest bum in the world.
So he saved himself with his play. Good job, Max.
How much did that last putt earn Max? Probably a decent amount probably about 100k i would guess tied for 13 253 750 so wait that's how much he would have lost if he had not if he missed it the next it was tied for 20th it was 191 so yeah like 60 000 dollars huge okay yeah good job max also i believe every golfer who's been on this podcast made the cut. Brooks made the cut.
Colin Morikawa made the cut. Ricky? Ricky.
Never gets any respect. Ricky doesn't get respect.
Ricky made the cut. All right.
Ricky made the cut. And Team BMW, Brooks Maxwell, Justin Thomas.
And Brooks is still injured. I know that, like, Brooks is.
Smiley cough. Smiley was covering it.
He was covering it. He was in the field.
He was actually, I saw him. He was covering it for ESPN.
So I believe everyone made it. So everyone so he made the cut he was there on sunday he made the cut the most fun fact about this golf course was that whitey bulger had a guy killed in the parking lot one time oh that is a fun fact it's kind of crazy that is very fun and you ever hear about like the mob out in oklahoma and i was trying to figure out why you don't like no one talks about like the oil mob and just because the mobsters that ran oil ended up just becoming oil businessmen, and they wrote all the laws to make everything they did completely legal.
Right, right. So it is the mob.
Right. Yeah, it's a legalized mob.
Yeah, good for them. Yeah, it was good.
It was fun. It was good.
The playoff was great. More playoffs, overtime, whatever you want to call it.
Should we talk about the Celtics in the Heat series because there's one henry lockwood in here who's had quite a change of tune in the last 24 hours actually no because we were eating dinner tonight and he said the celtics have played better than the heat in every single one of the games if you go by have one time the 12 quarters yeah if you go by quarters. He is, and I still I mean, I predicted this series was going to go

seven. I think it's going to go back and forth like this.

I don't think that, I'm not going to be

a prisoner of the moment and say the Celtics are done

in any way. Let's start with this, Hank.

What was your

range of emotions when not only Marcus

Smart, but Jason Tatum both were

out for the year for 10 minutes? Marcus Smart,

that happens once a game

for the last eight years of his career. So that

wasn't anything normal. It's like, he's going to get up,

This is a great moment. Great theater for the people of Boston that were at the game when Smart came out and Tatum came back.
Two Willis-Reed moments. I was going to say it's like building the entire team out of Ben Roethlisberger.
Yeah. The problem with Tatum is that he came back when they were down one.
It seemed like everything was going their way and then it just all fell apart again. So I don't know that they should have even put him back in.
Because Max Struess showed up. That's what happened.
Max Struess I think is I'm going to put him as the most important player. No Udonis.
Udonis first. Yeah Udonis.
The most important player besides Udonis Aslam is Max Struess because like it did look like they were going to lose that game and they they were up by one point, and then Max was just like,

give me the fucking ball, I'm going to shoot this three.

And then from that point on, it was like, okay, that game's over.

Whereas if you miss that three, Celtics get the rebound,

they take the lead, I think the game's over.

I think the Celtics win that game. Hank said they should have won.

I feel like they should have.

But then I reminded him that Jimmy Butler didn't play the second half.

He's like, yeah, that's true.

That's why they should have won.

That's what I'm saying.

With Jimmy Butler not playing, they should have won that game. Yeah, but the first quarter does count.
It does. And the first half counts.
All quarters counts. All quarters counts.
They've won 10 of them. All quarters matter.
Yeah. That's printed on a shirt.
And the Celtics have won 10 of them, which to me means that they're the better team. You were talking shit about 83% earlier in these playoffs.
You were like, well, that means that's 17% chance that it doesn't happen and you were betting on those teams now the curse of the 17% is coming back at you yeah I mean listen Celtics have to win today tonight Monday night even series they're the better team best out of three they can win that yeah so Hank on Friday when we went to rough and rowdy was talking like he was I mean we're so much better than them it's a five game series it's over I watching this game the biggest takeaway for me well there's two takeaways one the Celtics were just so sloppy with the ball they've been sloppy like 26 turnovers is insane two bam out of bio if you're a heat fan I you got to be so frustrated with that guy because he's so goddamn good and then he just decided on Saturday night because Jimmy actually said like I need to look for my teammates more I need some more help they even said like they echoed it Tyler Harrow and Bam were saying like we need to help him more he shot 15 for 22 he was unstoppable and then you look back games one and two he had 10 shots total shots total. He basically, when he wants to decide to be a huge mismatch and a game changer, he can do it.
And then there's games where he's like, no, I'm just going to stand kind of in no man's land and pass the ball. I'm going to do the thing where I tell you why Bam's game wasn't actually that great.
He only shot one foul shot. Yeah, he was really good.
I need my big man to get to the line a little bit more often than that. He came out and was on fire and basically was the reason why they started so hot.
So should we talk about Peyton Pritchard a little bit? Do you disavow? Disavow what? He broke the code. Peyton Pritchard grabbing Jimmy Butler by the knee.
He grabbed his knee. Grabbed the inside of his knee.
I'm glad someone in the media is going to talk about it. Yeah.
It's crickets out there. You alerted to us, Jake.
We had no idea. It's a heat disrespect.
Bad part on our part. I mean, you're grasping at straws.
It's a physical game. Guys are getting physical.
Bodies are going to bump into each other. He was going for the ball.
It's unfortunate that Jimmy Butler got hurt. I wish he didn't get hurt.
It was great when Hank looked at the replay and he just stared at it for an extra 30 seconds trying to be like, how am I going to get myself out of this one? He kept replaying and being like, maybe it'll show up differently this time. There's only one angle and it's like a blurry angle.
It's not really anything definitive. That's why people aren't talking about it because there's nothing to talk about, Jake what what are what are your thoughts on jason tatum and the game he had it was just super super sloppy the him and him and jill and brown jill and brown had a good game but the my biggest issue or like when i woke up today and i was sad i was like what the fuck i can't believe we lost that game i can't believe we lost the first game is like we are the better team in my I know I keep saying that.
I know you guys are pushing back, but we are the better team in my mind. And if we lose the series, it's going to be because of sloppy turnovers and just like dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, doy-doy plays and not because of Jimmy Butler taking over, the Heat having a better strategy or whatever.
It's like the Celtics are beating the Celtics. So I think you're the better team, but I don't think it's that big of a difference, is where I would land.
10 out of 12. Like, I think this is 10 out of 12 quarters.
You're right. I think the Heat are like a slight notch below in terms of overall talent, but they also play really good defense, and they're very well coached, So that can, that can even it out right there.

Also,

Hank,

it's not 10 out of 12.

It's,

it's a nine,

one,

and one.

Yeah.

I think one,

I'm sorry.

Nine,

one,

and two.

Yeah.

They tied the third quarter of last night's game.

So my mistake.

Yeah,

that is a mistake.

Jake,

what are you thinking?

Over series?

Oh,

no,

no. I'm just glad all the players are okay.

Hopefully.

I don't know about Jimmy Butler,

but I'm glad Jason Tatum and Marcus Smart made it back to the court. Yeah, it was a real touch and go for a second.
I was going for the ball when I went after Jake and everyone's coming at me. Peyton Pritchard was going after the ball.
When Jimmy Butler got hurt everyone's coming after him. It's like, what are you supposed to do? This is your fault.
No, it's your fault. No, it's your fault.
You created the game. Right.
You actually started the game. No, I wanted to bench press.
Yeah, I said bench press. You said ball sack tap.
I wasn't thinking about games. You started the game-ification of the live stream.
I then took it to where it went. Yeah, that's just great producing on my end.
That's your fault. But you're the one that said if someone loses, they get nut tapped, and you get to choose who nut taps you.
Ipso de facto, Jake loses. Ipso de facto.
Is that Italian? So I blame you. I blame you.
Okay. I do not take that blame.
Hank, here's a closer up view of the grab. This one's much closer.
You can see exactly what happened there. He's on the ground.
Butler's got the ball, drives and just grabs his knee and pulls it back. It was just a good tackle.
So you're not going to look at it. I think the Celtics are going to kill them in game four.
There you go. Kill? Yeah.
Okay. So actually here's why.
I actually think we, should we maybe apologize to Bob Ryan about the three-point rule and him saying it's ruined basketball?

Because I went and looked it up. I had a thought after watching the first half on Saturday night where the Heat were just demolishing the Celtics.
And I was like, have these playoffs been like that great? Because I know there's been some drama. I look back, there have been more games that have been won by double digits than games that have won by less than double digits.
Yeah, that's what it felt like to me. Like there's some series that go back and forth, but even in the ones that go back and forth, it's blowouts.
It's 38 games have been decided by double digits. 20 of those have been 20 points plus, and 36 games have been 10 points or less without talking about this game tonight that's going on.
We're going to talk about it after Titus. And it's essentially like which team just hits their threes in a given night.
It's the variance of each team's going to shoot a lot of threes. If your team makes all the threes, they win by 10 plus.
If they don't, they lose by 10 plus. I guess it was a little bit different because I think the Celtics shot like 40% almost from three last night.
They shot better than the Heat did from three. Right.
But it was the second half they came back. That one was more about like you guys were talking about, the turnovers.
The weird... They try to run a quasi-fast break often sometimes, but you have to be able to complete two passes.
Right. And they're not able to do that.
But game two was essentially like, you know, the Celtics won by 20, and they shot 50% from three, right? That was game two. What did they shoot? Game one.
I think it was terrible from three. It's essentially, do you make your threes? I know this is an oversimplification, but yeah, they shot 32% from three in game one, 50% in game two.
There's the difference between winning by 10, 10 and losing by 10. Again, this is probably oversimplifying it, but there is a feeling of like, you just watch the NBA on a night to night.
And I don't want the weirdos to come out of the woodwork and be like these, you know, the NBA sucks. No weirdos.
I love the NBA, but you can make the argument that you turn on the game and it's just will one team hit all their threes tonight? Okay, game over. Yeah.
I mean, it's been like that the last couple years. Right.
Like Steph Curry. Right.
People tried to match what Steph Curry and the Warriors were doing, and you really can't do that unless you are Steph Curry. And I was just thinking about how many games I've watched, and I feel like it's been over from the beginning.
There have been a couple memorable, memorable games. You know, the Bucs Celtics series felt like it had a few.
Grizz Timberwolves. Grizz Timberwolves had a few.
And actually the Grizzlies Warriors had a couple games. Those were some blowouts too.
I just, I don't know. Something to think about.
Something to throw out there. I don't, again, I don't want it to become a rallying cry for the anti-NBA people because I like the NBA and I like watching basketball I just was it popped in my head when I was watching the games on Saturday night I'm curious to know from uh for our own Mr.
305 Jake Jake you got the you got the pulse of Miami right now you you do you stand up for for the city of Miami what when I think Miami I think Jake Marsh. Yeah.
So, Jake. Boca, Lauderdale.
Weston. Weston.
Yep.

Miami.

How come? For the city of Miami. When I think Miami, I think Jake Marsh.
So Jake. Boca, Lauderdale.
Weston. Weston.
Miami. How confident are we right now? I feel like the Heat are starting to get that respect that you guys have been asking for.
No, they're not. Everyone's talking about what Hank said, how the Celtics blew that opportunity.
No one's saying, oh, the Heat thought their best player held on and won a road game. Yeah, I thought the Heat had a great game

plan and they played very good defense on Saturday night.

They deserve to win that game. I feel like PJ Tucker

has been on the Heat his entire life, even though he has.

He should be. He's played for

everywhere else. I think he's been all over the world.

But he feels like a guy that's just like

he is Heat culture right now. I agree these

teams are pretty evenly matched, so would I

love the Heat to be up 3-1? Sure.

But from the beginning, I thought this was going at least 6 or 7. I think if the Heat win tomorrow, they'll close the deal at home.
Also, just to clean something out, and Hank's giving Jake a death stare. Hank, when you said earlier— Nope, exaggeration alarm.
Again. He was looking at his phone.
Thank you, Jake. Very cool.
When you said earlier that it's going to be a best-of-three series, I mean, they win the next one, and then after that it's a best a best of three series? I mean, this is, once again, selective PFT, false narrative commentary. No, I mean, I heard what you said.
Yes, the beginning of the sentence was, win tomorrow, then it's a best of three. Okay, got it.
The beginning of that was saying that we have to win tomorrow. Got it.
Then, after that, it will be a best of three. It wasn't an if-then statement.
It was like, win tomorrow, it's the best of three. Yeah, that's the plan.
That's how I'm thinking about it. What about win the next two, and then all you've got to do is win one of two? You've just got to focus on the next game, Big Cat.
You know that. But then the best of three.
If we win tomorrow, then it will be a best of three. Did you see the Jermaine O'Neal clip, by the way, Jake, of heat culture? He was talking about heat culture and i guess like the heat i'm sure most nba teams do this but the heat you know make their players stay below certain percentage in body fat and he said that the reason why he didn't resign with them he said oh yeah i remember going into the pantry at night looking at the oreos the oreos looking at me and i was like bro i'm 30 plus years old i can't go through this hey not he culture takes a lot yeah i kind of respect the oreos looking back at him it's true once you reach a certain age you're like you know what this treat is going to taste better than any percentage body fat you ever feel right i can't like they always do this they always say if you're like on a diet it's like nothing tastes as good as skinny feels that entirely flips once you reach your 30s and it it's like, no, being skinny actually doesn't feel good.
A moment on the lips forever on the hips. Yeah.
Yeah. Fuck that shit.
Eat what you want. Okay.
So are we going to, we're not going to stream Monday night, maybe Wednesday night. I don't know.
We got to figure that out. Is it Wednesday or Thursday? No, Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
Yeah. Whoa.
Yeah. So because we Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, because we're going to obviously be Memorial Day weekend.
So maybe we'll do a Wednesday because we won't have any other games that we'll be around for. Game five will be very important because it'll be 2-2.
Yeah. According to Hank.
At that point, it's like whoever wins that, then they only have to win one of the next two. Correct.
This is just simple math, folks. We're just doing math.
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And whether whatever in Ariat work year. Okay, who's back of the week, Hank? My who's back of the week is footy.
Yeah. Soccer.
The lads. This is more of a, more maybe an explaining to Hank, even though you guys know I'm a big soccer guy I love the pitch But today, it seemed like it was The Premier League's version of Red Zone Why don't they do this all the time? Because it's the last Sunday It's the last week, the last games of the year For the entire league So every team played? At the same exact time So the way that they crown their winner Is through the regular season that's who wins the epl so on the last day it's like they play them all at the exact same time so that no teams are doing any like gamesmanship of oh this team tied earlier we have to do this we have to do that they do kind of do that in the nfl now where they you know will make everyone play at one o'clock that doesn't have the same that can't't impact the 4 o'clock game.
So they do something similar. But it was awesome because Man City won the league.
They were down 2-0. They had to win the game to win the league because Liverpool was winning or was about to win.
And they scored three goals in five minutes to win 3-2 and win the entire league. Did you see the manager celebration? Yeah.
yeah it was awesome normal yeah and it was actually a bonus like whammy because steven gerrard who is the manager of uh villa who they were playing was is a liverpool legend so if he if his team had held on and tied man city liverpool would have won the league which he never did it was a was a double fuck off. Yeah.
So he got screwed twice. That's brutal.
Oh, wait. So they departed amicably.
No. Yeah.
He's a legend at Liverpool, but he never won the league. And then he wasn't even able to win the league for Liverpool by managing another team to a draw.
Right. Right.
And now I think it's like a week from now, Liverpool plays for the UEFA Champions League title.

Yes.

So it ruined their opportunity to win all four.

So there's like four major trophies you can win,

and Liverpool could have done that,

but it got snatched by Man City.

Yes.

The city for men.

But now they're playing for another one in two weeks?

Once you understand it, it actually is kind of a cool system.

It's very hard to understand.

All the major leagues, right? So the EPL, if you finish top four in the league, you are now in the Champions League the next year, which is all the best teams in Europe play in a tournament throughout the year. If you finish fifth, you're in Europa, which is the Thursday games.
Shout out troops. Remember how he watches the shitty league on Thursdays? He's going to do that again.
Were they close? They were close. They lost in a heartbreaker midweek that ruined it for him.
Either way, Liverpool now is going to be playing for the Champions League, which is probably, it's what everyone is like going for because that is the championship, you know, of Europe. You're the champions of Europe.
You're the best team across Europe. So you're playing against Spanish teams, German teams, Italian teams, whatever.
So that's the prize, although the EPL title is very nice as well. They say that the EPL title is the hardest one to win because it's like the full season long.
Yeah. Now some people will probably be like, well, no, the UEFA Champions League is harder to win because you have to play against all the best teams in Europe.
But I heard one guy with a British accent say that was the hardest one to do. So that's what I'm going to go with.
I mean, it is pretty hard. Yeah, you've got to win the regular season.
It's a full season award, yeah. Yeah, and you play each team home and away, which is kind of cool.
I mean, once you can grasp it, it is kind of a cool league. How they have it set up.
Not to rub, just for context, I'm not even trying to troll here. But Swansea would have to get unrelegated into the EPL.
Correct. If they finish top four, then they could get in champions.
Yeah, they'll never do that. Correct.
Top four, let's just get unrelegated, which is promotion. But there was also an American storyline.
Yes. Because the coach of Leeds, he came in like halfway through the season.
Correct. He's an American.
His name's Jesse Marsh. He's from Wisconsin.
He's from, is it Racine? Yep. He's from Racine.
Shout out Karan Butler. Racine, Wisconsin.
And he came in and he managed leads to, I think they finished like 3-3 and 4 or some bullshit like that to end the season. But they were going to be relegated.
Was he a football coach? D, unpromoted. Yeah, he's a footy coach.
Yeah, and they scored with no time left. He's Ted Lasso.
They scored with no time left. It was incredible.
It was great drama. It's funny because I read somewhere that he's the American that has managed an English team to its highest result at the end of a season in the history of the EPL.
And it's like, wait, like barely not getting relegated? Yeah. That's the best that we've done? That's huge us though yeah but yeah it is ted lasso and shout sunderland who got promoted from the second league to the championship league which is the set which is the second league yeah they got promoted the championship league they're actually not that's what swans is in yeah they were in the third league there's actually a great documentary on netflix everyone should watch it uh about sunderland but they were the third league they got promoted the second league so next year they're gonna try to get back to the first league which is cool that system is awesome that system it will never happen in in america because the part of the system that everyone when everyone on twitter will be like why don't we have relegation in american sports you forget the part that no business owner is ever going to want to risk having their team.
Could you imagine going to Jerry Jones and be like, hey, if Dak Prescott gets hurt and you win two games, you're not in the NFL anymore. Yeah, he's not going to sign up for that.
He should do it in college sports with the major conferences. Again, there's too much money involved.
Right, exactly. No one will ever agree to it, but it is a very cool thing that you can basically climb the ladder

and have a rags-to-riches story within the league.

What do you do if your team gets relegated?

Because I feel like that's when you have a decision to make.

Is it really worth it?

Am I going to sweat out the next couple years in the derelegation league?

Well, and the problem, too, is then players don't want to play for a team that's not in the EPL, so they ask to be transferred.

It's a whole thing.

But it's very cool.

Very cool.

All right.

And that was talking soccer.

That was talking soccer.

Extended talking soccer.

I'm sure we've screwed some things up, and if we did,

please send all complaints to Jake Marsh.

My who's back of the week, I got a couple.

My first one is Martin Shkreli.

Yeah. Former guest, AWL.
Got the band back together. Longtime stoolie, Martin Shkreli.
Yes. The farmer bro is out of prison.
He completed all of his instructional courses. Yeah.
Time out. Why are we calling it time out? Jake is diarying.
Yeah. Jake, yeah.
He's diarying right now. Jake never walks out during a podcast.
I just realized that he said that his stomach was getting shredded by the cheesesteak we had. He's pooping right now.
Lamar Jackson. Where were you right now? Low key.
Yeah, low key. Lamar Jackson.
Yeah, he's low key shitting his gourd out on the toilet. Where were you when you were listening to part of my take and you realized at this very moment, Jake Marsh is probably sitting on the toilet going, oh, like a whimper slash cry.
I'm going to FaceTime him. Lamar Jakeson.
I didn't realize that he got up and left. I'm sorry to interrupt, but that's a big moment.
He's a professional. You think Joe Buck calling the Super Bowl would ever leave? No.
No chance. No chance.
He has, in fact, peed during a game. Yeah, but Shkreli is back.
You pumped back hang on for that hang on hang on i'm not pumped yet because i'm gonna facetime jake march hey hey jake we're waiting for you we stopped we didn't realize did you think the show was over are you in the kitchen no i told you the sandwich are you are you crying no i'll be there in a minute no just tell us your who's back my who's back is aroldis chapman blowing saves okay kind of like you're blowing your asshole out right now exactly shout out dude like he's giving up earned run in five straight starts and it's not good you say earned you say runs he's a starter i't know he started games, Jake Oh, wow That actually is a huge mistake, Jake He said five straight games No, he said starts Oh, no I heard games Oh, he did? Okay He said starts I disavow myself trying to hop on Henry Lockwood No, re-eval Re-val. We're going to go watch the tape and figure out what he said.

I re-eval.

All right, bye, Jake.

It's appearances, Jake,

just so you know.

Double wipes. It's not starts

when he comes in the ninth.

Okay.

Okay.

That was Jake Marshall.

That was Jake Marshall.

Jake Marshall, who's back.

But Martin Shkreli's out of prison,

so we got to get the band back together.

They let him out.

I think he was supposed to be in jail

for like another two years,

but he got off for good behavior.

Happy for his cats.

Very happy for his cats. He's probably just going to become an gonna become an actual drug dealer well doesn't he have a girlfriend remember that story of the woman who fell in love with him that happens all the time like dudes go to prison for like the nastiest shit and they just get girls that want to start dating them it's actually the best way like if you're bad boys if you're if you're looking for a slump buster bad it's great like you don't have to worry about doing all the stupid chores with them right i think this is actually an episode of seinfeld where george dated a guy or a girl on the inside right right uh conjugal visit sex must be pretty nice but yeah he's out so we will have to get the band back together people forget he was on part of my take back in 2016 it got very contentious yes with him and i think we started a band with martin squarely yeah we found we all time contentious as we we found the most heated i've ever heard i think i told him i was gonna like i think i said i was gonna eat his his mom's clit like a hungry hungry hippo like big bad booty daddy style we don't say that name around here it's little dick booty daddy now uh okay so yeah he's getting out of prison also that that dovetails in nicely with my other who's back pop punk is back nice because i can now announce and the full announcement of this festival lineup is going to be made today monday at 10 a.m the ocean's calling music festival in ocean city maryland it's like a big deal i've i've seen what the lineup's going be.
I can't say the other acts, but it's like 17-year-old me would bust a nut going to this festival. It's a pretty solid lineup.
When is the headliner for the day that you're playing going to be announced? All going to be announced today at 10 a.m. 10 a.m.
It is crazy. I thought you were playing it right now.
I was sitting with you guys when it all came together. It's nuts.
So I think it's running September 30th through October 2nd. We're playing on that Saturday.
Love it. And yeah, it should be a good time.
So if you're in the Ocean City, Maryland area, come down, check it out. Tickets go on sale on Wednesday, May 25th.
So that's this Wednesday. So it's going to be me, Roan, Robbie, Frankie, whole squad.
And Martin Shkreli. And Martin Shkreli playing there.
You should get him on for one song. You know what we should do? He should DJ our set.
Oh, and Nick Hamilton too. Nick Hamilton playing rhythm guitar.
But we should get Shkreli on there DJing the Wu-Tang album. Yeah, that would be great.
All right, my who's back is Joel Embiid. He won the MVP finally.
So I love this story. The Philadelphia City Council passed a resolution naming Joel Embiid most valuable Philadelphian.
Oh, wow. Yeah.
They literally, there's an actual document that lists it. That must be just a laundry list of ass kickers.
of i hope yeah we gotta see who else is on that list i hope to god they put this up as a banner in in the wells fargo i think it's the wells fargo arena that i mean it really is the the cults jokes come to life most valuable philadelphian okay so i'm looking it up right now oh i think he. I think he's the first most valuable Philadelphian.
He might be. The inaugural.
I voted for Doncic, actually, on that one. I had Luka.
I was Giannis for most valuable Philadelphian. Jake is back.
Tell us how that went. Just made a poor decision, eating-wise, tonight.
I went with the crowd. I shouldn't have gone with the crowd.
So, Jake, question for you. Something just got caught drinking.
Yeah. Mom, I'm sorry.
Someone pulled out the rumplements. We had a couple shots.
Jake, 18th hole today. Walking up.
Justin Thomas is about to win the PGA Championship. Come back from seven strokes down.
down Jim Nance has the runs do you think he goes and takes a poop? yeah no I think you just answered that I think you just answered that a broadcaster leaving his microphone I held in for as long as possible unbelievable you really sound like you got run over by a truck. You just pooped.
He's so disappointed in himself. I forgive you because of your disappointment.
I don't. I mean, low key.
Too one heat. It was low key.
Too one heat. But yeah, you're suspended for a month.
Okay, let's get to... I've got Billy's Who's Back of the Week.
Oh, okay. Billy's Who's Back of the Week is Jack Nicklaus.
Nice. There was a lawsuit.
There's a lawsuit being filed. No joke, this happened the day after Billy did his Jack Nicklaus thing.
There's a company that owns Jack Nicklaus's name. He signed away the rights to his name to a marketing company that would then bring in all the new ad deals and like appearances and shit like that for him.
So he doesn't have control over his own name. And apparently he's low key been using his own name when he's not supposed to be using it.
He's getting sued $180 million for using the name Jack Nicklaus for himself. He should just change his name to Jack Nicklaus.
Correct. And this all would have been avoided.
Billy was right. Damn.
That's crazy to give up your name. Yeah.
I mean, I would do it for the right amount of money. Yeah, that seems like a Lou Pearlman early 2000s boy band deal.
Yeah. Where you're like, yeah, let me just sign everything away.
I own your name for like $50,000 up front. If you had told me that in 1995, I'd be like, yep, okay, done.
Easy, easy. My name's not that valuable.
Yeah. Okay, let's do Mark Titus.
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It's disrespectful to do a top five every other day. As someone who played, no big deal.
Do you think that that whole, hey, who's top five right now, is just stupid? I do, yeah. I think it's absolutely insane.
But I'm also in this business where we have to talk about that stuff so it's it's very confusing i don't really know how to do it right although we can't remember right now who's your top five yeah it's whoever lasts longest it's whoever won the game and that we just got done watching the best player on that team is he the best player in the world and the guy who lost needs more. That's how you talk about it.
Jason Tatum was great. But Max Struess.
Because we're recording this again after the Heat Celtics game won. So that was my reaction last night.
Was it Jason Tatum needed more help and Jimmy Butler might be the best player in the world? What do you think about this take? That it was actually bad for Luka's development as a pro that they made it this far. It would have been better for him and better for the Mavericks.
You're going with the macro, the way this league works is Jordan had to lose to the Celtics, and then the bad boys, and then he had to figure it out. Not too much.
It's the Trae Young. It's Trae Young.
You can make the argument that going to the Eastern Conference Final in 2021 was bad for for trey young is winning a title would winning a title actually be bad for luca yeah you have to lose first yeah with uh with trey young you could the only counter argument against that is like the hawks making the eastern conference finals that is their equivalent of a championship true that's like a dynasty actually for the city of atlanta is if you make it that far but with luca i wasn't truly believing it but you could be like hey if you lost uh in the second round then the mavericks would be more hard pressed to put more people around him as opposed to just like making him be the guy and try to be the guy over and over and over again it's it's also very similar to the process with philly it's the dog chasing a car we're like the rams win a super Super Bowl, and everyone's like, yeah, but dude, they got no picks, and they're at salary cap hell. So it's almost sports has become almost about the window than winning the title.
That's PFT in that your thing, if Saban doesn't win a national title, you're like, it's good for him. He can actually start recruiting.
Yeah, right. He can co-tart a fire that gets lit underneath him.
He's like, oh, god damn it. I'm going gonna go on a murdering spree next year we should do that we should just change to be like fans of windows like we're just a big fan like if the bills don't i hope the bills win a super bowl with josh allen but if they don't we'll be like but they had the window yeah it doesn't matter like the goal is i mean isn't that the uh that's kind of what the celtics have become and that's what like that's like the dy plan is, like, you're not trying to actually win a title.
You're trying to keep the window open as long as possible. Right.
The championship is not the goal anymore. The dynasty.
The dynasty. Yeah, right.
You can't win one anyone could do. It is actually – it does work in baseball.
I do agree with it in baseball where, like, Theo always said, like, you just – the goal is to make the playoffs every year because it's so random what happens after the – like, once you in the playoffs, the roll of the dice is just get there every year, and then eventually something will break your way. Right.
Like a rainstorm in Cleveland. I think college basketball is a little like that.
It's different groups of players every year or whatever, but I think you kind of have your moments as programs where it feels sort of similar too. Not to derail it from college college as well.
No, no, we should talk about it. We should talk about it.
We should talk about it. Coach K is dead.
Yeah. Now, I know that you're a big Coach K fan.
I know that your podcast is famously massively. The number one Coach K podcast in the world.
Off the top of your head, you know how much money he made? As a percentage in 2020, as a percentage of his entire program, what they brought in in terms of their revenue, how much do you think went to Coach Kisak? It wouldn't be much because he's the leader of men and he doesn't do it for the money. He's on record as saying he doesn't do it for the money.
So I would say he probably pulled in like 600 grand. Yeah, it's like 30 times that much.
So he ended up getting like, I think the math breaks down to around 40% of all the revenue that Duke brings in for their basketball program went directly into Coach K's pocket. He's Don Finuchin Godfather where he's just like, oh, that's mine.
Do you think Roy Williams purposely took less money because he knew K was taking so? Because that's like, Carolina fans get really, they love pointing out that Roy was, because the Duke point of view would be like, well, Coach K has the biggest brand in college basketball. He deserves to be paid that much, yada, yada, yada.
But then right down the road, Carolina has a huge brand. The coach of Carolina could be making just as much, and Roy was making like a million and a half a year.
Well, it's genius. I think he was doing it on purpose to make K look worse.
Yeah, it's genius to take less and then just make your money doing other like speaking engagements and fucking basketball camps and and you know commercials like the coach case salary is probably half of what he makes total but uh it was funny because when coach case salary was released it was that feeling and i think everyone can relate to it when you go on like a great bachelor party with your friends and you have the group text chain and it's a great time and everything's popping off and then Monday you get back and maybe there's a couple stray ones and then nothing for a while and then like a month later someone will think of something or a story and they'll hit it and you'll be like oh fuck that was awesome when Coach K's salary gets released Titus texted me and Tate and it was like oh yeah remember when we retired coach k that was awesome and then you go back the history of our conversations are always just like in the month of march about coach k it was this year and then there's nothing for 11 months and then it was last march yeah look how right we were yeah i'm gonna miss him are you have you thought about like what you're gonna do because your podcast yeah our podcast as well, there was a lot of Coach K content because he forced it on us with his retirement tour. I don't think the party's over, Dan.
Okay, good. I think what nobody's talking about is that Coach K, this man is retired.
So you remember as soon as he retired, guys like you and I were like, I don't think's done yet i think he's gonna come back he lost to carolina twice he has to come back um and then jay williams goes on on first take was it and he was like i think coach k the door might be open so then coach k does an interview i think it was with sean farnham where coach k did an interview like right after the jay williams comments and he said definitively i am done coaching Duke University. I am not the coach.
I'm ready to hand the reins over to John Shire. And he was wearing a Duke basketball polo.
He was sitting in the Duke basketball head coach's office with a Duke basketball logo behind him. And he's like, the king was sitting on the throne, and he's like, I am not your king anymore.
Please stop talking about this. I don't know how much more clear I could be.
I'm done with Duke University. And then those of us that are like, I don't know if he's done.
And then everyone's like, well, you're crazy for thinking he might not be done. I'm going based off of what this man is doing.
I think that's going to be interesting. He's not going to go fishing.
So he's going to be, I don't actually think he's going to coach Duke this year, but I do think he's going to be the program I do I have been told he hasn't given up his office yeah no he never will that like his his like in my understanding is when you're not long no longer the coach you pack up your shit you get out the new coach comes in he has kept his office John Shire they had to figure something else out he's got a temporary office with like the the makeshift cubicles they put up so Kay is going to be around and guess that's gonna be maybe until k dies he's gonna be a content machine or a content goldmine because there's always like the moment duke loses three games in a row we're gonna be talking about is k gonna take over and all that sort of stuff we can also have the conversation we can play the what if game because i feel kind of robbed that he never went to the nba i think it would have been great if he had gone to the nba because'm positive that he would have sucked. He would have quit on his team after half a year, gone back to college, be like, hey, can I have my job back? We can have the what-if game be like.
Coach K would be a worse head coach than Cal Perry was when he was a head coach in the NBA. Yes.
Why not? Coach K is the worst NBA coach to never have coached in the NBA. Yes, that's a fact.
Speaking of Cal, we're going to do our Kentucky Sports Radio hit. What is that? I think June 6th, I want to say? Something like that.
We've been cherry picking a couple stats here and there. We've got a guy that we use on this program, Stat Hole Sports, that has done some great research for us.
We think this year we're going to have to flip it. We're going to have to be like, Coach Cal needs more time to implement something.
You guys are being impatient. You ran Brad out of town.
You've got to bring him back and have him be officially named as the coach-in-waiting of Kentucky. And not only that, but just lean into what Cal really cares about is just draft picks.
Just list all the draft picks and be like, listen, guys. Max contracts that his guys have signed.
Total NBA earnings is something that we'll have to look up. Also, you want to talk about window.
With Cal, your window's always open. Yes.
The way that he recruits. It's like you've got the biggest window, probably the longest running window.
That's a great point. Cal might have invented the window at the college level because when Kentucky doesn't win a national championship, he's quick to remind everybody about the draft picks he has, the recruits coming in, that the window is still open, the Kentucky window is still open.
There's always next year. Kentucky is the number one there's always next year program.
Yeah, I think they're the bluest of the bloods. Yeah.
I would agree with that. I would agree with that.
If you hire somebody to replace Coach Cal, I don't know who you think you're going to get, but his blood's not going to be that blue. Like, Coach Cal brings a certain element, a certain, like, spotlight to the program that you won't find from anybody else off the street.
Yeah. Were you shocked by Jay Wright? It is shocking.
A little bit, i mean how could you not be um i i sound really shocked yeah wow you're asking me what like a month after well i'm not still shocked i'm not shocked every day i wake up and i'm like fuck yeah really jay right not there he well jay right he always seemed like like smarter than everybody else that was why he was a great coach. I think maybe part of him was like, I don't need to do that.
I honestly wonder if some part of him saw Coach K and was like, that is not me. I don't want that to be me.
I don't want to be 75 years old. I don't want to be fodder for everyone.
And telling everybody. He killed Coach Jay.
He did. I respect it, man.
If I was a lot of these guys, I would retire the second I get a chance to. Now, are you doing the NIL is changing? Everyone's like, I don't want to.
I do think that. I do believe that and it's weird because when you talk to people behind the scenes and off air everybody it's quick to tell you that it's not necessarily bullshit but it's just like different it's the game has changed so much that I think you the coaches that were good at the previous game are not as good or like they just don't recognize what the game has become and it but if you ask them on air if you put Jay Wright in the seat and asked him he'd be like no that had nothing to do with it but I do think if you if you got him off air and like got some some truth serum and he'd be like I I can't do this it is I don't want to I don't want to yeah try to figure out what this landscape is which is very funny because coach like it's the first time coaches salaries have gone crazy and now essentially it's like you just have to do your job more yeah and they're like no fuck that well you have a i was talking to a a mid-major coach uh at the final four and he told me he had two of his his better guys which were told him like that week that they were transferring and they were two guys that were starters two guys that he gave a ton of minutes to two guys that had great seasons, two guys that went into his office and said, thanks so much, Coach.
We love you. I love my time here.
Everything was great. Now I'm going to go use the opportunity that you provided me to go somewhere else.
And he was like, it blew my mind because for so long, the transfers were, fuck you, you didn't play me enough. Right.
I'm going to go somewhere to get minutes. Now it's like, thank you so much for doing everything you promised you would do.
Now I'm going to try to go to Kentucky. I think Drew Valentine will be fine, though.
Yeah. Is that who it was? No.
How much money? Actually, maybe not how much. What would you have done in NIL deals when you were in college? Oh, yeah.
What types of organizations would have been hitting you on? The Club Trillion brand. Yeah.
Club Trillion are like local businesses. Yeah, would you have been one of those guys who does the fake, oh, buy a Club Trillion for charity? Or would you have been like, no.
I did do that. Oh, whoops.
All right. I did do that.
Would you be making money off Club Trill? I was told, we sold shirts my senior year, and the number I was told was that I raised $55,000 for one of the local charities in Columbus. Wow.
And the guy who, which. I would have matched, by the way, if we had known you back then.
I would have. I would have doubled.
How many Club Trill shirts did everyone in this room buy? It was for sick kids, too, by the way. No, man.
I would have doubled. I would have doubled.
So he would have quadrupled. And the guy who runs the the charity still treats me like i'm a saint and it's still like you if i called him right now he would he would clear a schedule and make time to talk to me on the phone and like just you know he he thinks that i walk on water because he he'll just pull me aside and be like you were 21 22 years old and you had the heart to help these sick kids and i've tried to explain to him a million times i couldn't keep the money like if i could keep the money we wouldn't know each other yeah that's great no i i yeah it's it's it's great it was really frustrating for me because i lost my scholarship i was i was actually put on scholarship for two years not that i deserved it but they the uh they had extra scholarships and i had um my first years at Ohio State I was on scholarship and then I got my scholarship pulled because we had academic problems as a program because we had so many guys going to the NBA early and uh so coach Mata told me he was pulling my scholarship I had the best GPA on the team and we were punished for academic reasons so I didn't have a scholarship but I also couldn't profit off my name so i was like stuck in this weird no man's land of like yeah you're the poster child of why the nil should work now would did thad mata have a sense of humor where he like did one of those big viral videos of of the team pulling your scholarship because that would be funny that actually would have been like mark we Mark, we got your parents here, and your parents are just bawling.

They're crying.

They're like, we don't know how we're going to afford this.

They have to sign a check at the end of it.

That would have been great.

So you got a scholarship initially to go there, like right out of high school.

No, I went to be a manager.

Then I quit that because I was lied to about what being a manager was.

Why?

What was being a manager? I was told I was going to be a practice player by John Gross, who's the head coach at Akron now. He was an assistant.
Good tourney run, yeah. Illinois.
He told me, he's like, if you're a manager, you'll be able to practice with the guys. He's like, you don't have to come in every day, but when you're here, we'll have you run scout team and I was like that sounds cool like I I don't have to be fully committed because I understand how much time commitment this is so I was like I'll be a normal student but like three days a week I'll come practice with division one players who happen to be some of my friends that's a great setup I'll come do that um and on day one they had me wiping up Greg's sweat and and filling up water bottles and filming practice.
And I was so shitty about it that I quit. And then they asked me to come back because they didn't have enough guys to do five on five.
Wow. That's how I got on the team.
And then they didn't have – they weren't using all the scholarships. So you get like 13 scholarships, and we only had like 11 guys on scholarships.
So they just said, do you want one? And I was yeah so i went from i went from normal student at ohio state to five weeks later i was on scholarship for what ended up being a final four basketball i love that that's how you got your scholarship too they were like that motto was like looked under the couch yeah we got another one here all right you take you have to wonder how many people have like quit their student manager job on the first day. Yeah, right.
And tried to follow that. Or the other way around, how many people just accepted the manager job on the first day, even though it wasn't what they wanted? And maybe that's the next Jordan, but they didn't have the balls like you to stand up and be like, no, I'm better than this.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's a great what if. What schools were you thinking about going to besides Ohio State? Do you ever think maybe I should have just gone Division III or smaller Division I and played? No, I thought about it after my sophomore year.
Because my freshman year, I was fat on the team because I didn't think I was going to play basketball. So I graduate high school.
All summer, I do no working out of any kind. I'm just getting ready for college.
And then I get put on the team, and I was just trying to get back in shape. We won the Big Ten.
We were ranked number one for a few weeks. And I didn't play, and that made sense to me.
I was like, we have one of the best teams in the country. It kind of checks out that my fat ass wouldn't get in there.
The next year, we didn't even make the tournament.

We ended up winning the NIT.

And I didn't think I should be getting a ton of minutes,

but I was watching John Diebler shoot 29% from the three-point line as a freshman.

And I was like, I don't know, maybe throw me in there and see what I could do,

and maybe I'll make one or two.

And Coach Mata, after that season, told me he's never going to play me

because he actually recruited these other guys.

And he explained it to me.

He's like, I put resources into getting these guys. He he's like you just showed up on my doorstep one day yeah so he said i will never play you like he was really nice about it weirdly right but that's like him essentially admitting like i just don't want to admit that i was wrong yeah basically right yeah right so that's when i completely gave up and i decided uh either i'm going to transfer to a tiny school and try to average 20 a game at a Division III school, or I'm just going to ride out these next two years and just have a sick time riding the bench.
Try to save some sick kids while I'm here. Try to save some sick kids.
Yeah, I think you made the right choice. So that was that.
What's the best game that you've ever played? Good question. Thanks.
Great question. Oh, thanks.
I don't know. How do you answer that? Are you – I had some great practices.
Yeah, no, tell me about it. Is that what you want to say? Yeah, they're still talking about it.
You want me to go over my best trillions I ever had? Yeah, like what legends? I played – there was one game I played – so I usually never got in before the final media timeout.

When the final media timeout hits, that's when I start stretching.

I'm like, all right, it could happen at any time now.

It's a big blowout.

There was one time when there was like five and a half minutes left.

We were playing Iowa at home, and we were beating the shit out of them.

Coach Mata turned to me, and he's like, mark it in there.

I was like, no.

I was like, that's not.

What are you talking about?

I was like, Coach, look at the clock.

He's like, no. He's like, I don't want our guys to get hurt.
We've had a tough week of practice. He's like, I need you to burn the clock.
Oh my god. Five and a half minutes is very, very different from one minute of just ripping the clock out.
At that point, they still had some of their better players in. Oh my god.
That was definitely the most memorable game I ever played at Ohio State was that. I didn't do anything.
I still did the same song and dance of just running up and down the court. The Tony Snow.
Yeah, the Tony Snow. I still did the Snow.
I played basketball with Titus this morning, and one, he can still shoot the fucking lights out. It was it was like awesome to watch because we basically got there first five minutes he missed everything he's like oh man i'm so out of like i haven't played in so long and then like he hit one and he hit like 50 in a row and i was like okay and i also learned that titus is that annoying guy who will shoot a three and say short and it'll be nothing but that.

Nothing but that. He's like, oh, short,

and it's just a fucking perfect swish.

I'm just like, alright, cool. Can I say

this, and I mean this not because we're on

air, but I genuinely mean this, and I think

it's important that your listeners understand this.

You're much better at basketball than I thought you were going to be.

Yeah, you said that, and I was like, I was stunned.

I think that's a compliment. That's like when people are like,

you're not as fat as I think. Well, I watched the video of you playing in LA.
Yeah, that was, yeah. You guys are hamming it up, obviously.
Well, I was, but yeah, a couple of the guys never, like, touched a basketball. Well, I mean, to be fair, like, people that would then watch, I don't know.
You blur the lines well enough of, like, what's real and what are you hamming up and whatever. So, like, to see, you got a good stroke.
Yeah, shout out Swish House. We just go and get shots up.
It's like the best thing ever. I miss playing basketball.
You have zero stamina, though. I did notice that.
By the end, it was a disaster. Did you guys play five on five? No, Swish House is this place I've been going where they basically like, it's like you basically run basketball practice.
Yeah. And so you run through a bunch of drills, agility drills, shooting drills.
You get like, I don't know, we got like 300 shots up each. But by the end, it was just my shirt was soaked, and I was just, I couldn't walk.
And you could tell, it's like this guy put him on the line at the end of a game because he won't be able to hit anything because it g just it gasses out i i think i could you have a you have a great natural stroke though honestly i and i think we could work with that i think uh i i think i want to run like a i want to run like a sports media basketball camp for for who all right so let's do it let's jump off there and who's your starting five who's your starting five in sports media pft could you play i can touch the rim i did see. I did see that.
That's a fact. I did see that.
A lot of people are like, yo, they box themselves into a little trap of, like, because when I'm staying next to the hoop, it's a bad visual because optical illusion-wise, it looks like it's twice as high up as I am. But either they have to admit that I either, one, have like a 48-inch vertical leap and I'm able to touch this rim somehow or two that I'm not actually five six yeah you really put them in a box I box them in pretty nice also I'm always on the lookout for a rim that's like three inches shorter yes than all the other ones because they exist somewhere in the city so I like I look at them I take a mental note I'm like I'm gonna go back to that one and just grab it so are you the guy at a pickup game that, as everyone else is trying to feel out the ball and get their legs warmed up and everything, you're just jumping up and popping the rim to intimidate everyone.
Watch this, guys. I can't pop the rim.
I'll jump up. I'll hit the net really hard, try to swoop it over the top.
I'll just jump up, hit the backboard. No, honestly, my game is basically I will bring the ball up the court.
I can dribble okay, and then I'll just pass it as soon as I can. You know what you should start doing? I had a buddy who used to do this.
He couldn't dunk, but when you're at a pickup game and it's warming up, he would jump and climb the rim and then loudly bang on the rim. And everybody's like, whoa, what was that? He would just pull himself up off the net, and he would just fucking bang on the rim.
I'll tell you, I should not be in your starting five. I should be like a backup point guard that comes in, and I exist on the court for like two minutes, and then I get the fuck off.
All media. So like Stephen A.
Smith, wet jumper. Not former players, though.
Not former players. Let me ask you guys this.
Do I count as a former player in this thing? Yes. Because anytime these hypotheticals come up, I can never tell if I'm not picked, is that because people think I'm an actual player? If I am picked, should I be insulted by that? Because you're saying that I was not like, I don't actually count as a.
Why don't you fill out your starting five around you? Yeah. There we go.
So it's like your team that you would pick if you were a captain. Can't have played in the NBA.
I think... I gotta start with Rosillo, right? If I don't say Rosillo at one...
Enforcer. Yeah.
He's... He's down bad now.
Yes, he is. Did you text him out of nowhere? Just be like, hey, I'm sorry.
Just text him. I should wait should.
I should wait like a week later. Text him right now.
Text him right now. Okay, are you doing all right? You're like, hey, man, I know it's been a few days, but sorry about Chris Paul.
Hey, man, I'm going to do it right now. Yeah, because I called him on Monday night, and he's like, I've never felt like a bigger loser because everyone keeps calling me like someone died in my family, and it's just Chris Paul lost a playoff game, which happens every year, literally every year since he's been in the NBA.
He hasn't won a title. Yeah, just be like, hey, man, wanted to give you a little time to process everything.
This is great. But also just wanted to make sure you're good.
I actually think that Russillo probably received more, hey, are you all right, check-in messages, than Chris Polden. Yes.
Oh, definitely. Definitely.
Hold on. Hey, man, wanted to give you – that's what I'm going with.
Hey, man, wanted to give you a little time to process everything, but also just wanted to make sure you're good. Hits in.
Yeah. Beautiful.
Oh, he's going to be like, what the fuck? Lose this number. I hope he's recording right now.
Yeah. So I think the problem with that was, do you think that Ryan actually cares about Chris Paul that much? Or do you think the moment that he realizes it's not going to happen, he now is put in a position where it's less about, I wanted be successful, more about, like, I'm going to have to eat shit about this.
Yeah, I don't know if he cares about Chris Paul the human. He might.
He might a little bit. You think so? Yeah.
Oh, he does? Yeah, I mean, when he had that whole, like, Chris Paul cares more than everyone else. I want him to be my son.
But that also might be, because we fall into this trap a lot too where we care about an athlete,

but it's mostly because we want to feel right about our take.

Right, right.

Or we're friends.

I don't think he's friends with Chris Paul.

What is the – I was very heavy on the University of Virginia basketball

when they lost to UMBC.

I had Virginia win the national championship.

They lost to a 16-team by 20.

I did not jump off the bandwagon.

I rode it the next season. They did win the national championship uh so i kind of know what ryan's going through so well if you did this analogy is gonna win it next year i was gonna say if you did this analogy virginia basketball is 37 years old and they probably only have a year or two left in their whole history have either of you had a situation like that beyond your favorite because i asked you this off air day and you're like well my favorite team suck ass and that sucks but i mean like a take where you're like this guy's a fraud he's definitely a fraud and then now you have to watch him win an mvp or win a title or something along those lines yeah i i so mine usually the reverse where it's like i like two years ago or two years ago three years ago where i was like the ravens are frauds and they had the one seed and like if they had won I would have had to eat so much shit yeah he lost the Titans so I turned to be like right about it but yeah you definitely get a point I also think for Rosillo it's and it were part of the problem it's an argument that he's arguing that Chris Paul is really really good and we're arguing he has no title so he sucks right so it's like when we can just keep doing that it's got to be crazy frustrating for someone who actually like watches the games right and like has has nuanced takes like russillo to see idiots like us be like yeah but no rings bro right so and and and then so but but then even if he does win a ring it doesn't fully count because of who his teammates were, like what the students did, who was her.
Yeah. We would have absolutely found a way out of that.
You put an asterisk on him. Have you had that PFT of a take you were married to and you're like, I'm 100% right, I know I'm right.
There are a lot of them. I mean, I'm wrong all the time.
Oh, all the time. We all are.
Yeah, if you don't admit that you're wrong, then you're just not trying hard enough. That's what'm saying like then your takes are too too vanilla so um i mean i i was wrong about ryan tannahill for a little bit but then he proved me right ultimately so i was like you know i i had always been saying ryan tannahill will never take the next step he was always the he's going to take the next step guy just wait till next year yeah and then you know he got pretty good for like a season and a half two seasons and then he regressed and really it's it's mostly the way that he ended the last season with those three interceptions in the playoffs against the Bengals where I can be like see I told you all along I was right forgetting the entire body of evidence that took place like a year and a half before that where he played like an above average quarterback for most of the time but I'm sure that there are probably millions of examples of things that I've been and usually a million percent wrong about.
Usually what PFT and I do is we're wrong and then we switch and then we're double wrong. I thought the Bengals were like not a Super Bowl caliber team.
I was like, I think the Titans are going to beat them. Ryan Tannehill threw three picks.
I think the Chiefs are going to beat them. That second half happened.
Then we get to the Super Bowl and I'm like, I believe in the Bengals. And then they lost.
So it's like, that happens all the time. That's the old Skip Bayless.
He said, I was wrong about... Hang on, I'm just reading now.
It's funnier than I remember. He was talking about the Clippers.
This was, I believe, last year. I was wrong about being wrong about the Clippers.
In a shock to me, I was ultimately right. Now they have a very good shot at winning it all, as I originally predicted.
So you can double back and triple back on yourself. Tate introduced me to the phrase, right logic, wrong pick.
That material change. I like that, right logic, wrong pick.
He was talking about a game where he's like, this is going to be just a rock fight of a game. It's going to be ugly.
It's going to be low scoring. And I think that favors team A in a game like this.
And then team B, it is a rock fight and team B wins. And then he's like, I told you.
Or team A wins in a blowout. And then you're like, I was right about team A, but I was wrong about the rock fight.
Right. You can always give yourself an escape hatch.
I think that's probably what frustrates Roussela the most because he actually, when he gives a take, he thinks about it, and that's why people love him because he's giving you actual, like, this is how I feel. He doesn't give himself an escape hatch.
What did he say? I think he hasn't said it. I'll just say I think what might frustrate him the most now is me texting him like six days after the fact to say, hey, man.

He's going to hear this and be like, oh, wow, he picked me first overall.

Yeah, that's true.

Okay, yeah, that's a great point.

We should go back to that.

Rosillo, I would take one.

I've never seen a play.

I've seen him shoot a basketball.

I've seen a video of him shoot a basketball.

That vert.

Yeah, he's got a good vert.

You know he knows the game.

You saw the photo dump.

Yeah, I saw the photo dump. Yeah.
He had to clear up his face in his camera Should we pick SVP? Yeah At the 5? Yes absolutely And you have chemistry built in chemistry with SVP and Rossello So you're like good They're playing a little two man game You can always rely on that I'm trying to think of who else. Windhorse.
Who else? Windy, Beast down low. The ground mound of rebound.
Who else would I throw out there? I'm trying to think of people who haven't, because I guess there's not a lot of guys or girls who have not played who talk about the game. You could also go cross sport.
Stephen A. Smith wouldn't be a bad pick.
Yeah, I think Romo's probably sick. Right? Yeah, Romo.
I feel like former professional athletes should be off the list. Terrell Owens.
Yeah. The celebrity all-star game.
I think Jim Nance could probably throw some bows down low. You got Twin Towers, Jim Nance and Scott Van Pelt.
That'd be nice. Yeah, does Bill Raftery count as a former player at this point? No, I don't think anymore.
No. Yeah, I think he could throw him out.
Yeah. Yeah, it's been a long time that he's.
It's been a minute. Yeah.
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It's him and Bob Huggins in the college basketball community. They don't even do it on purpose.
They just walk into a bar. They sit down like they would if there were a million people in the bar or if there was nobody in the bar.
And then just gravity works its magic,

and people just slowly start hounding them

and just listening to all their stories.

He's amazing.

He wouldn't know if – I'm going to introduce myself to him

every single time I see him.

There's zero chance he knows me

or any world in which he would remember me.

But, yeah, every time I'm around that guy,

I just kind of slowly gravitate towards wanting to hear

whatever the hell he's talking about. He's the best.
I always picture him holding a crystal glass with brown liquor in it. Just like neat.
Yeah. Not even drinking it.
Yeah, just holding it. He's getting drunk, but he never takes a sip.
You never see him drink it. He seems to have a story about everything.
Every bar in this city, especially New York. He's got every...
I hate this city i hate new york so much every time i come here i i i really do this is my least favorite place on earth and i think bill i mean like what about the garden yeah or like kiev right now it's true that's a good point i've never been though so i don't know i don't know you can't you can't trust the media what they're saying about it maybe it's nicer than I feel like Kiev right now is probably like spirits are high like right now no think about it right now you're defending you've defended your city that's against a fucking empire that's yeah and like the camaraderie there's got to be off the charts yeah I uh no comment I don't I don't know I don't't know. All right, so I'll update on it.
What do you think about Roe v. Wade? What's your take? Let's go hot take.
You're in the predictions business. Who you got winning that one? Who you got in your Roe v.
Wade bracket? I should put it in a parlay. I should be like, all right, I got the Warriors.
I got Roe v. Wade.

What's the spread on the Supreme Court?

I think I got them striking it down by one and a half.

Oh, man.

Oh, my God.

All right, so the media team.

Yes.

We got Windhorse.

I like this team.

I didn't finish my thought.

Raf3, I was going to say, listening to that man talk about New York City,

that's like the one man I think can get me to like the city.

as a... I like this team I didn't finish my thought Raftery I was going to say He's the one Listening to that man Talk about New York City That's like the one man I think can like Give me to like the city That's what I was going to say I do think when anyone Talks about New York City basketball It gets like romantic Like I said We had John Sally on It was like hey Just tell us about New York City basketball For a second What about Stan Van Gundy Oh He can bring the ball Of course We're just beef We are beef.
Have you seen him? We're an A's. We're a 90s team.
Have you seen him dribble? No, Stan? Stan's got handles. Big time.
Absolutely. He's your point guard.
Does he count as a former player? Yeah, I guess. I guess technically.
You know what I mean? I don't think so. We're getting into hazy territory.
I think it's been long enough. He ate himself out of former player.
Wait, so it's Rosillo, Titus, SVP. Tate's not bad, by the way.
I'll shout out Tate. Tate could be on the team.
I like this though. He's not bad.
Stan Van and Windhorse, too, it's nice because you can do a sub package where they probably complement each other. Stephen A has to be able to play a little bit, right? I've seen a video of him airballing a shot, which, I mean, I guess we all airball shots, but that's always tough.
I mean, if I was Stephen A, I would never, ever take a shot. No, ever.
It's like when you're a politician and you're traveling the country and there's cameras all around you, you should never shoot a basketball because it's probably not going to go in. And if you miss, that's going to be replayed all the time.
That's like J.J. Reddick shooting free throws at the Duke game.
Yeah. Yeah, he missed it.
Which is like, what's going on here? Why would you agree to do this? There's no. Against Miami.
This is Stan Van Gundy. He's got handles.
Give me the ball. He says, give me the rock.
I'm going to give you guys some pointers. He's.
You know what it is? Oh, wow. Look at that.
You always have to be afraid. I would take him in a second yeah and then he plays it off and he's like do stuff like that because there is that guy in every in every like pickup game in america the the the short fat guy that everyone's like nah and then he just starts whapping threes you're like whoops yeah he's amazing yeah smooth they Smooth.
They're always smooth. And you're like, okay.
At one point in their life, they were really good at basketball. I would take Stan.
I'd put Stan on the team. So you, Rosillo, SVP, Stan Van.
Who's running a point on this team? I think Wendy. I think we got to get some diversity on this team.
Yeah. Yeah.
Uh-huh. Yeah, you're building this like the old Kentucky team.
Oh, your old colleague, Van Lathan, I think he would be pretty good. I do.
Did you overlap with him? No, I don't think I ever met him. Where did it go wrong with you in the ringer? Go back to Roe v.
Wade. Go back to the Roe v.
Wade questions. Let's break that down for a second.
Oh, man. I think Jacoby is good from Jalen and Jacoby.
Jacoby's probably good. Yeah, yeah.
Jacoby, shout out him. He could play.
He'll be on the team. I think Van Lathan's a good pick.
All right. I'll trust you.
I've never played with him. He's also got – Van Lathanathan to me, we had dinner with him, I don't know, maybe a year ago.
Talked to him every now and then. He seems like a guy that would be just, like everyone instantly respects in the locker room.
Yeah. And like a glue guy that people like, when he talks, people listen kind of thing.
So I would put him in there. All right.
Maybe Jamie Erdahl, backup point guard. Oh, yeah.
She seems like she'd foul the shit out of you.

She played, too, right?

She played at OU, right?

At Ohio.

Did she?

I think so.

Maybe.

I think so.

But that's what I mean.

Like, Jamie Erdahl is, again, it's like, on the one hand,

you feel like it's respectful to throw on the team,

but on the other hand, maybe she's listening to this,

and she's like, what the hell?

I had a great playing career.

Yeah. Rachel Nichols, Le a great playing career.
Yeah.

Rachel Nichols, LeBron stopper.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

What was I?

Fuck, I had one other thing I had to ask you, and now I can't think of it.

Billy, what's your question for Mark?

Don't say, how was your Saturday?

Actually, you can.

It's Monday.

Billy, don't fall for his shirt. What does your shirt say? It's smocking TC, Billy.
I'm here for the dozen trivia. Yeah.
Tune in this week. I know you're like Trill Ballins, Club Trillion.
You thought I was Trill Ballins? There was a second. There was a second I thought that.
Just for a moment. When was the second? Like when I was here today? No, it was back when I knew everything.
Or like when I first? No, when I knew everything through Twitter, I was like, there's Trill stuff, Club Trillion. Yeah.
There's so many Trill. There's signs everywhere.
I think that's how I ended up on the team. I'm the only guy that doesn't work at this company.
Yeah. So many different Trill burners.
I was like, is Club Trillion another Trill burner? Yeah, yeah. It counts.
Trill's from Indianapolis, so I am too, and maybe that's... Yeah, a lot of people don't realize it actually took me like several years to figure this out about Trill Ballins after following him online for a while, that his name, Trill Ballins, is just taking Phil Collins and changing the start of each word.
Do you remember when we went to Wrigley for... One of the best games ever.
It was the Miguel Montero Grand Slam, was it not? And Javi Baez stole home that game. Yeah, and the bleachers...
Yeah, and it was the three of us. PFT had a broken foot.
It was PFT, myself, you, Trill Ballins. I think Chaps was with us.
Chaps was with us. It was a great crew.
Hank, were you there? Hank's not here in the room. Oh, Hank's not in the room.
He's a... Who's over there? That's Beams.
Oh, hey, Beams. Sorry.
I tried to say that. Sorry, we didn't introduce you.
No, Hank is our boss now. He works upstairs.
He wears a suit. He never is in the room when you do the show? No, he wears a suit.
Never. Yeah.
Never. No, he's...
Oh, my God. Yeah, he can fire any of Well, that's exciting.
He could hire you and then fire you immediately. He could actually cancel Titus and Tate.
Just call someone at Fox and be like, hey, numbers aren't good. Get rid of it.
No, I just be like, do me a favor. Ask those guys.
OK, yeah. You know, I owe you one.
Hank, he could be careful. That's Jake Marsh is in the room.
Yeah. I'm a Jake Marsh fan.
You did not include Jake in your start of five. Yeah, Jake, what's your game like? Papa Shot King.
Yeah, I can play Papa Shot. I can call the game for you.
Yeah, there we go. You know Rostein? Have you talked to him about playing basketball? No.
Like playing basketball? I love this about John Rothstein that he no he proudly like playing basketball i love this about john rostein that he's he's very open about this that he he will will will proudly tell you that he's never touched a basketball yeah right he's allergic to it because a lot of a lot of the guys that that that that talk about sports you know you get a little insecure about like is my level of competency playing good enough for me to talk about it john is not that guy john's like i straight up do not touch a basketball but here's here's here's who's going to win the a10 this year and why and i it is absolutely hilarious to me that uh that he's that way but jake you're not that way you play yeah i have a i can get hot from three but i can also go oh for eight the next game yeah okay that's's fine. I have a Jake Marsh adjacent question that is relevant to this conversation.
We're talking about retirement tours. Jim Boeheim, will he retire before he kills another person? Or is it going to be like two and then he retires? They said this every show.
Well, Jake, you set us up for it last time. We actually love Buddy and...
Yeah, Buddy and love him no i love him yeah we're just having fun so we have just some light-hearted ribbing about some balls uh accidental vehicular manslaughter he's gonna just go forever though is he not no i'm certainly not gonna break he uh he's gotta like he's gotta see his you want to talk about windows this man sees his window with k right yeah k's out of the way yeah the front one i was about to say it but i didn't want to say it oh man i'm sorry it's just so easy like no offense yeah you know no no offense absolutely no offense. Yeah, it does feel like he's going to coach forever, though.
He's losing all his friends, though. I think Kay was his only friend.
If he – because his sons are done right now, Jake? Yeah. His sons are – Jerry McNamara is still there.
Yeah. But his other sons are off the team.
But he's at the Combine's going on right now. I wish – they should have a father-son rule where like the boeheim should be able to play for as long as jim is still there

you should get a like a 45 year old you should get one franchise tag for college now yeah that

should be the franchise tag is that this guy can play for as long as we want yeah it's it's my rule

of like you can go back so i think it should be all sports yeah and it should be as long as you

graduated from there you can go back at any time like it should be all sports. Yeah.
And it should be as long as you graduated from there, you can go back at any time. Play any sport.
Like I've always said, the argument is so simple because you just say, would you like to watch Tim Tebow play at Florida this morning? Yeah. Yes.
Yes. The answer is yes.
And he can't. We've talked about this before, but he can play football or he can't play football.
He has to play something else. No, he can play football.
He has to play baseball. Every team gets one player that they had that has to have graduated from that college and they can, like, Tom Brady could retire from the Bucs and play a season for Michigan.
Why not? Like, how incredible would that be? Coach K goes back to Army. Yeah, right.
Like, this would be – Final run. It would make sports so much fun where it's like, all right, what are we going to – like, who are we going to use this on? Is this guy washed up? Or do we want to keep him around? Devin Harris on the Badgers.
I don't even know where Devin Harris is now. I think he retired a while ago, right? Yeah, I haven't heard that name in a while.
Or like a guy like Sam Decker who's a friend of ours. He's actually playing great overseas, great career.
I think they won a championship. But at some point with Nil he's like oh i could just live in like back in wisconsin i could play for the badgers and make a shitload of money this would be fun do you think greg guard would bring sam decker off the bench like bo ryan did yes probably you asked about the take that i've probably been wrong about um tom iso being overrated i was wrong about about that for a while.
You said he was overrated. I wanted to be the first person to say that Tom Izzo was overrated.
So I think I accomplished that, and then I've been waiting that out. It's starting to look more and more like it's correct adjacent now.
I'm letting it age like a fine wine. But I want to ask you, as a Big Tennoisseur, Michigan State, I feel like did they fall off? Is it fair to say Michigan State's fallen off? Tom Izzo's another one of the guys that's in found himself in a new era of basketball that I don't think they've fallen off.
I think they're in a transitional period where Tom Izzo is maybe a little bit stubborn about what this is and and doesn't want to fully go into the new era with uh uh with a lot of gusto but i i think they're going to be fine but i i i don't know if someone else wants to make the case that they've fallen off like the brand has fallen off a little bit a little bit but i mean but there's still a good basketball team like this past like like this past mich Michigan State team, if Max Christie was as good as he was supposed to be, Michigan State would have been awesome. Right.
They were missing, like, the one, like, five-star guy that was like, I'm going to be a first-round pick. I'm awesome.
And that was supposed to be him. It didn't work out.
Sometimes that just happens. And also, you could kind of sum it up as, like, Imani Bates.
That would be the... That would be where you're like, have they fallen off? Like, Imani Bates Imani Bates, I think he said he was going to Michigan State when he was a sophomore.
Right. And then it switches to Memphis late in the game.
Tom Izzo playing the new version of college basketball is taking Imani Bates. Right.
It would backfire. It would have been a disaster.
And then he would have just doubled down on like, this is why I don't do this. Right.
So that was the first time I was like, oh, so he's not doing this new game. Yeah.
Like he should – because guess what? I mean, Juwan Howard's probably doing the new game. Michigan State has always felt like they got the better basketball players.
Yeah. At least for the last 20 years.
I've been feeling like more and more recently over the last – I don't know, like since we've been doing this show, college football coaches have just become more psycho than ever. You almost have to be a paranoid sociopath to be a successful college football coach.
I'm not even really exaggerating about that. The most successful ones are.
In college basketball, it feels like there's more dedication to the game. They think of themselves more of stewards of the game as being an elite college basketball coach do you think that's like a fair sort of it's sort of because like college football you're still allowed to be a hard ass a little bit too and you're still allowed to um be a disciplinarian and stuff like like the college basketball coaches now have to be players coaches you have to be uh bff with with the aau coaches as you're recruiting and the high school coaches and all that and you just have to be like a very likable jay wright type and tony bennett type and mike bray type those are the guys that are successful now whereas i think college football you can still be insane and that is uh that's interesting that dichotomy is interesting that you can just be completely out of your mind but like a completely out of your mind college basketball coach i don't know how much much that plays.
Eric Musselman's a little out of his mind, but he's fun about it. He's a very player coach.
Yeah, you know what I mean? It's like a different kind of... You're out of your mind, but you're recruiting your players to get out of their mind with you.
Yeah. Join my crazy tent, and we'll just have a good time and win some games.
And it is... I hate to be the old man in the conversation sometimes but like when people are like oh yeah the game has changed kids don't want to be coach hard anymore i think that's partially true it is it's definitely like you can you can admit that and not and it's not maybe a bad thing like bobby knight just fucking choking people that's probably good that's not happening anymore probably but i think there's i think it's hard talk about it.
That's the Libcat talk. It's hard for coaches.
No, that's probably good that's not happening anymore. Probably.
But I think it's hard. That's the Libcat talking about it.
It's hard for coaches. No, it's Democat.
That was a new one that someone dropped on me last week. It was fucking fire.
I was like, damn, it's taking you that long? But college coaches, now the kids can transfer like that, which is good. All these things are good.
They can't be hard-ass all the time because i think kids are like i'm not doing this like i'm not letting you just scream at me iso's not a hard ass because iso is i will yell at you but then i will throw my arm around your shoulder and love you um but even that formula in in the last however many years has been criticized like he's had a few instances one that comes to to mind was with Aaron Henry, and people lost their mind about that. As these guys retire, he's becoming the last of a dying breed.
But you know what's good for him in that respect? Is that if you have a couple well-known pros who have your back, you can get away with a lot more. Draymond Green always been like, that's Michigan State family.
It completely negates the whole controversy immediately. And there's also something about the culture around the Michigan State program of having not just a guy like Draymond who's like, I love Tom Izzo, but Draymond's a tough son of a bitch and is like, that's why I'm a tough son of a bitch.
Zach Randolph is like, this is why I'm a tough son of a bitch. Right, like there's some people who if they speak up, you're like, oh, okay.
Like Joe Kip Noah, when he talks about Tom Thibodeau being like, that's what made me who I am kind of as a pro. It's like, okay, so maybe his hard ways aren't the worst.
What's going to happen with the NBA? This is coming out on Monday, so we still have a lot of time. Yeah, let's make our predictions.
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You're skin and bones, Mark. I love Rob okay wait so what game will be will we be at will be game three in both series we'll have just completed if i'm doing my math right yes okay okay i'm gonna say 2-1 heat i'm gonna say 2-1 celtics okay i'm also going to throw in there 2-1 Heat.
I'm going to say 2-1 Celtics. Okay.
I'm also going to throw in there 2-1 Heat. Jalen Brown got COVID.
I'm going to throw that. I think they might be in trouble with the COVID, which is bullshit.
2-1 Heat. I like that.
I'm a big head. 2-1 Heat.
What about the other one, though? I'm going to go 2-'m going to go two to one Mavs. Ooh, spicy.
Bad for Luca, though. Did you see Luca drinking a beer this morning? I did, yeah.
Awesome. I did.
Where he drank one this morning? Someone got a picture of him. He was having lunch.
It was probably like 11 a.m. San Francisco time, and he was just drinking a beer.
You guys can help me out with this. It's very European.
Yeah, someone was like, I think the quote tweet that I tweeted was like, Slav's gonna Slav or something. Slav's gonna Slav on my knob.
He was with Boban. Oh, he was.
Okay, yeah. So they're just...
Why is Lucas so likable? And why, like... Oh, he's...
I've been thinking about this, that the foreign players seem very likable and the Americans do not. Lucas is likable now.
I think he's kind of... We will hate Luka.
You think we're going to hate him? I think Luka's kind of a prick, actually. But in a way that I respect and like that in a guy.
That's what I mean. He's very...
If it was any other person laughing at the other team every single time he made a shot and... I think it's actually very simple.
But it's so likable. Foreign guys...
standing here right now, there has not been a prominent foreign guy who's tried to force his way out of a situation like a James Harden, like a Kyrie. I think that actually plays.
I think Giannis sticking with Milwaukee. Embiid going through the process years.
If Giannis said he wanted to play for the Lakers, people wouldn't like Giannis. They would hate Giannis.
Jokic's the same way. He's staying with your team.
Almost getting swept, and he's just kind of like, I'm going to stick around. Right.
I think people will hate Luka. I love watching him play basketball, but I think he will because he does complain a lot.
Yes. And like anything in sports, if he wins two titles in the next four years, let's say.
Yeah. Which he won't if this year.
Which is why he shouldn't win. Exactly.
It's bad for Luka if he wins. Right.
Do not win the title. Just always have him be a possibility to win.
Yeah. And then if he's always the slight underdog, people will continue to root for him.
The Dirk. Just win once.
I also think he's showing some personality, and I think that people, by and large, now like a little bit of personality. Yeah, he can be a prick sometimes, but it's something to talk about.
He's just so – when you watch him, I mean, I just – it's a crazy thing that he does where he's moving in sometimes slow motion, but he's so precise and good with his body that it just – it's so perfect. He plays perfect basketball.
I would just crawl up into him if I was guarding him. I would just pressure him a little more and make him go left.
And then when he picks up his dribble to shoot, just put a hand up. Close out.
Well, when they pick up the dribble, they have to get rid of it somewhere. So get on the ball.
Get in his jersey. You see a lot of guys do that.
When you're guarding him, he'll pick up his dribble, and then you see guys continue to move one one way and you're like Idiot, he can't keep dribbling now He can't go anywhere But you see Cam Johnson for example Luka would stop and Cam Johnson would fall down And keep going that way and you're like Why would you do that? Keep your balance But then also on the flip side of that When he first gets the ball Don't pump fake. Keep your feet on the ground.
Great point. That's how you stop Luca.
Great point. I love teaching guard the belly button.
They can't go anywhere without their belly button. That's the old saying.
You can't. You can't.
If you're guarding the arms, the hands, the ball. Your head can go over here.
You can't go anywhere without that belly button. I had a coach one time tell me to guard their neck.
That's good. It was the same logic.
It was like, if the neck's going someplace, the rest of the body's going to follow. But the problem is you hear that when you're like, when you're seven years old, you have a coach tell you that.
You're like, okay, I'm going to do that on defense. But then when you're on offense, you think, are they watching my neck? And then you're just like throwing your neck around.
You start playing out smart. Bobblehead.
All right, so what's that? So you have 2-1 Mavs. I'll go 2-1 Warriors.
I think this is an either-or. This is a classic either-or for me.
Yeah. I could see it either way.
I think it might be a stay away, honestly. I think stay away.
This is classic. It's a wonky series.
It could go. It's in the Vegas zone.
I really do. I think about it.
I see the Mavericks winning, but then I can see the Warriors winning. The Warriors could win.
Absolutely. It's a stay away.
Okay. I'm going to stay away.
I'm not touching this one. I'm doing Warriors in a sweep.
Why not? Whoa. Just get crazy.
The Mavs and the Heat fans are like, if it's Mavs Heat in the finals, it's going to be just a war of who's being disrespected. Yeah, right, right.
I feel like at this stage in the NBA playoffs, nobody has the balls to predict sweeps anymore. PFC tried.
I tried. It was the Nets over the Celtics.
Yeah. I mean at the conference final stage as well.
When you get this deep into it, because all four of these teams have obviously been playing well, I feel like people are scared to have the balls to just be like, I get that the Mavs beat the Suns, but they're dog shit. The Warriors are going to sweep them.
Yeah. The Celtics are going to get swept.
I think that the Mavs are going to jump out 2-1, and then the Warriors are going to win the series. Wow.
How about that? I like that. How about that for nuts on the line? You should do a Wampus bet against Jake.
Do you ever dip? Jake, yes. You ever dip? I've never.
No, I almost did one time. Oh, no.
That's fucking nuts, man. It's crazy.
You're fucking wild, man. Oh, I do remember what I was going to ask you way back when I lost my train of thought.
Number one pick.

Who's it going to be?

I think it's going to be Chet.

I think it would be – I think – I was thinking Jabari was going to go number one

before the lottery happened, but then I think Orlando is going to love Chet.

And Jalen Sog's played high school together.

I think that's going to win out in the end.

Yeah.

I just – it's weird because I actually think this is a –

I mean, this draft actually has like a few guys.

I'm like, oh, I could see him being a really good NBA player.

The more I think back on like draft things I got wrong

or like I misread or whatever else,

the more I'm wondering if like Jaden Ivey should just be considered the best

in this draft because he's the – of the guys at the top.

Nah, dude.

I'm of the Gar Foreman top nah dude i'm i'm of

the gar foreman uh school of scouting he lost to st peter's no thanks you just judged by based on the tournament it's a good point it's like no good point uh-uh he had he had if our man mondo baycott was coming out he'd be my first pick overall that's a good point jay nivy almost hit the shot at the end to was that without was that for the win or for the tie jake do you remember the jayden ivy i think they were down three they were down right though yeah he thought that was going in but that's you can't lose to st peters and be a pick a number one pick it was 67 64 so yeah i don't think he was uh i i yeah you're right you you you scrambled my brain out you could just all the other all the other people at the top are like big dudes that I – like Jabari's not going to have the ball in his hand at the end of games. And Chet, who the hell knows how teams are going to use him on offense.
And I guess Paolo, I don't know. Who's the guy that's going to fall in the draft that's going to be like 10 or above that probably the Spurs will end up getting? And you'll be like, oh, fuck, how did everybody miss on this got an answer I think AJ Griffin's gonna be really good but he's got like injury shit yeah that people will tell themselves yeah that they're not into it he might he'll probably go more like seven ish but I think he could be one of those guys that in three or four years you're like oh he's perfect for the NBA yeah that.
A.J. Gravel is one of my favorite guys on Duke this year.
Yeah, I actually didn't hate him. I loved him.
Yeah. Yeah.
Which is hard to say. I kind of like Keels.
Yeah. Keels, yeah, he's playing the wrong sport.
He needs to be playing football. Yeah, I was about to say that's why I like him.
Yeah, that's probably what you like him. Admittedly, this whole season I've been like, he's like a running back.
Yeah. Malachi Branham from Ohio State was a guy that I was really excited to be a steal for somebody.
But, like, it seems like every time I read anything about how his draft process is going, he's shooting up draft boards. So I don't think he's going to surprise anybody.
I'm curious, like, what's going to happen with the old school centers like Mark Williams at Duke and Walker Kessler at Auburn and and guys like that that are like incredible shot blockers and and can run the floor and um you know just dunk do you watch you watch them play in college they're just dunking it every time they get it anywhere around the rim and if it was 1996 they might be one and two yeah uh if you could do anything elite though i think you can be on it like he he if you can protect the rim at elite level, you can – Right, right. You're not going to be a superstar.
You're not going to be an everyday starter, but you'll have a spot on a roster. Right.
If you can hit threes, you'll have a spot on the roster. Chet is – I'm so excited for Chet, though.
I'm so excited for the Chet takes because he's like your guys – he's got to be your guys' dream from a take perspective. He is the number one, I think, prospect for takes

that has ever existed in NBA draft ever.

Because you just have to look at him and you have a take.

Yes.

Everybody has a take.

You can go out.

You can go walk around Manhattan and just show a picture of Chet Holger

and be like, what's your take?

He tried to give him KD's old nickname.

So the Slim Reaper.

He's got that body type right now.

KD got rid of it. That should belong to Chet now.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
He probably can't bench. Oh, get Chet in here.
Is Johnny Davis going to be good in the pros? I hope so. Yeah, he's got to be.
He's got to be. Thank you.
All right, I appreciate that. How much can you bench? How much can I bench? It's a sad scene.
We're sore anyway. We play basketball.
Yeah, I'm tired. I'm tired today.
You want to lift after you shoot. I was trying to remember how much Billy benched last time.
225. Check behind you.
Oh, you got the staggered. 275.
Yeah, 275. Going for 295 soon.
Maybe after this. Wow.
Yeah. All right.
Soon. That's like LeBron Q&A soon.
All right, Mark, it's always a pleasure. We love catching up with you.
Please let us know what Rosillo says back. We'll put that in the video.
He still has not texted me. I think he's on a plane right now, yeah.
I will let you know. I'm going with ignored is probably.
Okay, but just text us. If he responds, text us and that would be great.
Thank you, though. We appreciate it.
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Lowest price. last minute tickets lowest price guaranteed okay let's wrap it up the Dallas Mavericks are dead we waited till after the game to record the end of the show the Dallas Mavericks are dead Friday night they were alive for a half Steph Curry happened put him to sleep Sunday night they were alive for a quarter Two quarters.
Two quarters. They won two quarters.
Oh, yeah. We're a big quarter podcast.
So it was a tie. It was a tie.
For anyone who's out there who maybe we give this to Stathole Sports, who has won the most quarters this year in the entire regular season of the NBA? Oh, shit. That would be a lot of work.
But I would like to know who the quarter gods are. That would be nice to just figure out, you know, this is the team that has won the most quarters on aggregate.
I'll bet you low-key some of the worst teams in the league always win one quarter. Yeah.
Like the fourth quarter. For sure.
They're getting blown out. Yeah, low-key.
Low-key. At what point do you think low-key, we're going to low-key be using low- key non-ironically to make fun of Billy? Because I think it's seeping in our head.
No, definitely. We're not capping anymore.
Right. It's going to suck when we start saying it and we're like, fuck, why do we sound like Billy? We've definitely already reached that point and surpassed it.
I think last Friday was probably the first's a it's a major crutch for him yeah it's

just basically anytime he has a feeling he's just like low-key i'm hungry it's the zoomer's way of

saying no offense but it doesn't matter what the fuck you say it's not even using a no offense for

him he uses it in everything where he's like low-key i think i'm gonna go to the gym today

it's like you're just telling me what you're doing well billy it's nice out billy needs

entrance and exit words for every sentence that he says so like if he just got caught lying and

he wants to like transition to something else,

he'll be like,

Thank you. just telling me what you're doing well billy it's nice out billy needs entrance and exit words for

every sentence that he says so like if he just got caught lying and he wants to like transition to something else he'll be like anyways and then we'll just move on he just needs like an in and out of every thought that he has uh good news about this game by the way uh back to my point about the blowouts this technically counts as less than 10 points even though it felt like a blowout had blowout energy the entire second half.

We had a nine point game so i guess that counts as a competitive game yeah and if i don't know if you listen to our predictions with titus about what this series was going to look at we were doing a bit what did i say i think i said mavs 3-0 or or no do you oh it was the first game had been i i was right about heat, and then I think I said 2-1 Warriors. Yeah, I think I said 2-1 Mavs at that point.
That was a joke. I was doing a bit on that one because I knew that Andrew Wiggins was going to explode tonight.
It's nice to be, we were talking about, what did you say, $31 million he makes? Yeah, $31 million. People forget he was the number one overall pick.
Yeah, and it's nice to play on the warriors like it still stands that I think Andrew Wiggins has gotten probably unfairly scrutinized well maybe fairly scrutinized at points in his career because he wasn't up to that one number one pick standard but he's a great fit for the warriors and when you play with Steph and Clay and Draymond and you're playing like smart basketball around and those guys can have all the attention in the world on them, it makes your life a lot easier. And he has had a very good playoffs and he's a key part of what they're trying to do and win a title.
I have a thought for you, PFT. I put a future on the Warriors.
We talked about it after the first game of the playoffs.

Switch my pick to the Warriors.

I'm rooting for them.

I also think, like, I don't know why,

but I just want the Warriors to win another title

just as, like, a thank you to them

for all the awesome basketball they've let us watch.

Well, allowing them to win another title would be, like,

us being, like, my bad for hating on you guys

after you were too good for a while.

Right, because we got sick of the and everyone got sick of the stretch where it was warriors calves every single year and you get it and the kevin durant going to golden state pissed a lot of people off but i was like i had a moment i was like i don't i actually genuinely like everyone on the warriors and they have played incredible basketball that's been so much fun to watch. Why not have them win another title where it kind of caps off everything they've done, and you can look at it and say Steph Curry with four, Clay with four, Draymond with four.
This team is like all-time great. Everyone already knows they're all-time great from what they did, but having that extra title after they're all past their peak, after the injuries, after Kevin Durant would be nice.
I'm just going to make the call right now. This championship, if they win it, it counts as part of their dynasty.
I'd agree. This one definitely counts because you could make the case, you've got the bubble year, you've got the Raptors doesn't count.
Yeah, Raptors winning, that was weird. You've got the injury year.
Two injury years. years.
Yeah, two injury years. That's right, because Klay took his sweet time didn't die.
Got re-injured. Got re-injured again.
So, yeah, two injury years. This officially counts as part of their dynasty.
And they are fun to watch. And I love what Wiggins is doing right now.
I'm very happy to see that, the dunk that he had, they tried to take that away from us.

That dunk, if you commit a foul on a dunk, it should not count.

No.

As long as your hand grabs the rim, the ball goes through,

you should be able to do whatever you want in the act of shooting,

and the dunk negates any foul that you may have committed.

And a cool dunk like that should never be taken off.

I'm happy they used their challenge on that,

which they didn't really need to. Maybe the referees were like that dunk was so cool let's call it wrong and then hope that it gets challenged and we get to watch it a million times on replay by the way we haven't talked about this i don't know what it is about maybe it's just you know basketball is easier to have someone look at it and you can kind of tell right away that oh that call was bad basketball coaches are awesome at challenges compared compared to football yeah i feel like they always get it right in the nfl they just do man that sucks i really hope yeah i really wish that play didn't happen the way that it did right so they use the challenge flag on that one hopefully like they'll see something that didn't happen and overturn the call please be in the yeah please have broken the plane well i think it's like most coaches in the nfl if you're like a bottom tier coach uh you just every single bad play that happens to you you think in the back of your head like i might lose my job right because we lost this game so they're coaching out of panic and they're challenging out of panic and other times you just can't find your challenge flag if you're jeff fisher but in the NBA, I feel like they have a better line of responsibility that it goes through.
They probably have someone whose dedicated job is just to know the rules really well and then to let the coach know whether or not you should challenge. Strategy always gets confusing, though, too, though.
Because you only have one. Right.
So a lot of them save it. And it's like, when do you use it? Yeah.
Because when people do it in the first quarter or the first half, it's like, what's the point? Yeah, the smart coaches basically save it for if my star player gets in foul trouble, I need to keep this challenge in my back pocket. Maybe someone will show me the stats and I'm way off, but it feels like the challenges are, for the most part, successful.
And they have the little green light that goes off. It's also just not listening to your players.
Yeah. Because every player wants to challenge every single call against them.
Marcus Smart is the king of that. And Draymond.
Marcus Smart has never committed a foul in his life. Everyone, when they commit a foul, they just do the review, review, review.
Because no one's ever committed a foul before. I just love when they do this.
It's like the home run sign. Yep.

Okay, so that's going to be a womp.

That's going to be a sweep.

I'm starting to feel better about the take that they're doing Luka a disservice by advancing this far.

And again, as we said, I don't necessarily believe it,

but I'm like putting my flag out there

and waiting for somebody else in the media

to run with that narrative.

I'm almost like calling the take in advance

that it's going to happen.

Yes, it absolutely will happen. Hockey, we have the Battle of Alberta got serious tonight because Milan Lucic ran Mike Smith.
A lot of fighting. Oilers are up now 2-1.
You never touch another man's goalie. Never, ever.
And it's been an awesome series. I just love the battle of alberta just i just i like saying it i like looking at a map being like oh they're only two hours away from each other it's just everything about it's fun it does sound like a movie starring daniel day lewis yeah involving trains somehow i also looked up calgary the other day and calgary if you like it always blows my mind but the population of calgary is like over a million people.
And a hundred years ago, it was like 2000 people. That shit just blows my mind.
It exploded where it's like, or even 40 years ago, it was like 400,000 people. Think, think about being like a 90 year old person in Calgary and be like, yeah, I remember when I knew everyone's name here.
That would be nuts. Hank, I'm just curious.
And actually, I would not be very good at this either,

but I'm curious to know through your lens,

if I were to say what part of Canada is Calgary in?

What part of Canada is Edmonton in?

What part of Canada is Winnipeg in?

I know Toronto.

No, those are the three.

You've had some context clues about Calgary and Edmonton.

Calgary, Edmonton, and Winnipeg on a map. If you're looking at your hand and that's Canada.
Can you get the province? Even though we've said it. Alberta.
Yeah, there we go. That's an easy one.
Just see one go through the hoop. Finish your hand analogy.
I need as broad as possible. So this is the hand.
So let's give you this one. This is Montreal here.
On your thumb. And then Vancouver is the pinky.
Is the pinky. He's thinking.
Next to the pinky. Yes.
That's right. I think that's right.
That's Alberta. I think that's right.
What about Winnipeg? Winnipeg. Middle finger? Middle finger.
Yeah, it's center. Toronto would be the pointer finger.
Yeah. Yeah.
Damn, man. Geographical genius.
Yeah, no big deal. You are.
You know sphere. You know globe.
Yep. What other hockey? Oh, the Lightning are just going to win it all again.
Yeah. Yeah.
That kind of sucks. Sorry, Jake.
It's not over. No, it is.
It's over. Shut up.
It's over. 3-0.
It's over. No, it's over.
How many periods have the Panthers won? Two goals in the three games. That's not great.
It sucks for the Maple Leafs because everyone called it like a choke job, them losing. But they might have lost to the best team in the NHL.
Yeah. Still a choke.
And we also had Biz was very prescient, like that SAT word right there. Three goals in three games.
Saying that Nazeem Qadri is the key to the avalanche and that edge he plays on. Well, the key is to get the Blues goalie, Binnington, out for the rest of the season.
Dirty. It actually wasn't that dirty of a play, I don't think.
I think it was a bang-bang play, and if it happened to anyone else, it wouldn't have been a story.

But then you had Bennington throwing a water bottle at Kadri after the game

when he was doing an interview with Biz.

I also think that goalies are some of the best floppers in sports.

Yes.

Hockey goalies, if you get touched, you go down.

And we're talking to Rudy, who played college hockey,

and he's, I think, a pretty good hockey player.

National champion, no big deal.

National champion at Denver, Yeah. And he was

saying that two minutes of ice time

goalie helmets. Maybe.
Maybe.

Goalie helmets are like engineers

to not really protect you. So they fly off

super easy. Yeah.
So anytime you touch a goalie

and the mask goes flying across the ice

it's actually great for the effect of it. They're great

at special effects. There's his head.
Ichabod Crane.

It looks like a Michael Bay movie anytime you get in the

crease. Yeah.
Let's have where's memes. Can we get memes in here? Let's wrap up with him telling us about the Rangers win.
Just torture him a little bit. I don't like when the Hurricanes...
No, he hates the Rangers so much. He hates the Rangers more than he likes the Islanders.
Which I like. I don't like when the Hurricanes wear their Ranger knockoff jerseys.
I especially don't like it when they play against the Rangers

wearing the Canes diagonal slanted font across their chest.

It looks like you're trying too hard.

What did you say, Hank?

No, this isn't his debut.

Corporate Hank would know.

He did his rant last week.

Means has been on the show.

Another inside joke that Hank misses.

Do you feel a little lost, Hank?

Yeah, he's nodding.

Quick, we're going to finish. We're going to do the ping pong balls for nut shots.
Okay. No, I'm just kidding.
Oh. But give us your thoughts on the Rangers' win.
Expected. Okay.
Playoff hockey. They're not terrible.
You hear that, guys? That was a nice compliment. Hurricane's very good at home they've lost every game away so just gotta hold home ice yeah hold home ice i knew they were gonna lose tonight i think they'll win when do they play tuesday tuesday and then they'll finish them up at home okay what did you think about the uh the streets of New York flooded with Rangers jerseys today? Those are your people, right? It was terrible.
I took the train in. Yeah? Just not a stop.
You were living with them? You were seeing them? It was bad. People were like, oh, I'm going to fly out game seven.
They're booking their tickets already. Really? Yeah.
They're only down 2-1. Yep.
Why wouldn't it? This is like Dwight Schrute in the Hell Hotel. Why wouldn't you, in your best dream, wouldn't you be like,

we win game six at home ice?

Yeah, no, they're already looking ahead.

They've already lost another one in their mind?

They win one, then it's best of three.

Yeah, it's a dream scenario.

It goes seven.

Okay, thank you, Memes.

You want to do your, what number are you, ping pong ball?

69.

69, okay.

Six.

I'm going to do 51 26 10 25 and if he gets it he has to hit Jake in the nuts again yeah no thanks Jake for finishing out the show to Derek Jeter Derek Jeter. Derek Jeter.

Oh, yeah.

I told you this before.

The moment I saw lettuce and tomato on a Philly cheesesteak, I knew it was bad news.

I don't know why.

I don't know what happened with that. How's your butt doing?

It's hanging in there.

Thanks to Dude Wipes.

There we go.

Shout out to Dude Wipes.

Yeah.

Love you guys.

An ostrich's eyes are bigger than his brain.

Loki.

Loki? Loki? Yo, bitch, you can fuck with me if you want to. These expensive pieces, red bottles, these blood.
I can't get them both. I don't want to.
Then I'm quick. Cutting me off, but don't get comfortable.
Look, I don't dance now. I make money more.
I don't gotta dance. I make money more.
If I see you now, bitch, that means I don't fuck with you. I'm a boss.
You are working, bitch. I make blood more.
Now she say, see, go through all the hoops. Let's find out.
Let's be. Call it be.
You know where I'm at. You know where I be.
You in the club. It's a party.
I make blood. Now she's their feet.
Go to all the hoop. Let's find out.
Let's go.

Call it beat.

You know where I'm at.

You know where I be.

You in the club.

Since you're calling me.

I'm there.

I give 80 feet.

I be in it.

I don't think so much.

I know they're out of me.

Honestly.

Don't you give a fuck about who in front of me?

Trust me.

Misses and fix my both.

Bitch right in the front of me.

I don't bother with people.

Don't let these won't bother me.

They be big.

They take their gold.

Bitch, I'm who they try to be.

Look, I'm at your tail and come big.

I'm at your tail and come big.

I'm at your tail and come big.

My pussy feel like a leg.

He wanted to be in the space.

Thank you. Don't let these ones bother me.
There's these pictures. They take them cold.
Bitch, I'm poor. They try to be.
Look, I made you tell him some babes.

I made you see what you do.

I might just spill on your babe.

My pussy feel like a lake.

He wanted to be on his face.

I'm like, okay.

I let him do what he want.

He got me each other wrong.

And then you win.

When you go back to the boys, I got you something to do.

I'm not a hottest in the street.

No, you probably heard of me.

I'll have a bag and fix my teeth.

Hope you was no one in your teeth.

And I'll pay my mama's bills.

I ain't got no time to chill.

Think these hoes be mad at me They baby father run up

Hello bitch

You can't fuck with me

If you want to

These expensive

These reds

I need some blood

I can't get them both

I don't want to

Then I'm quick

Cutting me go

I don't get comfortable

Look

I don't dance now

I make money move

Say I don't gotta dance

I make money move

If I see you now

That means I don't fuck with you

I'm a boss

You're a person

Bitch

I make blood move

If you a pussy

You can't fuck

Thank you. I don't know.
I get the money and gold. You get it high like a soul.
Mouths will be good as gold. Tell that old bitch, man, I'll roll.
I did the wrong with no hope.

I just came up with no rape.

I need to bring up the natural.

I need to bring up the state.

I need to let all these holes in the middle. They're not a thing.

I want to take my mistake.

Only the rule can relate.

I used to live in the peace.

Now I'm the great with the tape.

Money got drawn, but like what's the tape?

I feel like these bitches know.

Listen, give me hope for that.

I just want to take another tip of my rope.

I feel like you're a bitch.

Just give up on me if you want to.