4X NBA Champ John Salley, Heat Win Game 1 + Bring Your LunchPail Questions With Jersey Jerry

Hey, Pardon My Take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music.
On today's Pardon My Take, we have four-time NBA champion John Sally in studio, also noted vegetarian. We get into that with him.
Vegan, yes, you're right. Thank you.
He would be mad if I said vegetarian.

Great interview with John Sally.

We're going to talk about the NBA

Eastern Conference Finals

that started tonight. A little hockey talk.

Hot seat, cool throne.

And then our good friend, Jersey Jerry

is going to be back for

some bring your lunch pail, blue collar

talk, as well as

some State of the Union for the Pittsburgh

Steelers. Before we get to all

of that, we're brought to you by our friends

Thank you. some bring your lunch pail blue collar talk as well as some state of the union for the pittsburgh steelers before we get to all of that we're brought to you by our friends at visible when it comes to saving on wireless visible wins every time other wireless carriers hit you with costly monthly bills tricky extra fees and unwanted add-ons the competition doesn't stand a chance the choice is obvious visible you can out $60 or more a month with other mobile carriers or pay as little as $25 a month for single line wireless with Visible.
You can get cornered into a family plan by other guys to try and save or save solo on a single line with Visible. You can pay extra fees every month on another mobile plan or you can pay no extra fees with Visible.
So switch to Visible at visible.com slash pod and get unlimited single line wireless for as low as $25 a month. Comparison to a single line with unlimited data and other major carriers for plan and network details.
See visible.com slash pod. Visible has the best wireless plan out there for everyone.
check it out visible.com slash pod if you love us which i hope you do because you're listening uh visible's our

presenting sponsor so please in kind if you're thinking about switching your mobile carrier

getting new uh mobile carrier visible's the only way to go visible..com slash pod. The best wireless plan out there.
Today is Wednesday, May 18th. And the tension in this room has already begun.
The Miami Heat have an incredible third quarter. Jimmy Butler, all-time performance, stops the Celtics, who look like they were cruising, win game one, and Jake and Hank are already kind of at each other's throats.
Boys? I don't think we are. Exactly.
Exactly. Hank, would you agree? It was fine.
Everything was going fine. Nothing to sportsmanship.
And then Jake, the Heat fan, at the end of the game when the Celtics were down like 12, basically had to have a three and a stop on every possession. A rebound goes up.
And Jake, if you didn't know he was a Heat fan Sounded a lot like a Celtic fan

And was like, oop, here come the Celtics

Even though the game was over

Exaggeration

Exaggeration alarm

Exaggeration alarm

You made a noise

They missed what I thought was going to be a dagger

And then I was just like

Oop, that was it

Literally it, no words

I think that's the exaggeration alarm

Like Celtics have a chance here like this didn't say that though billy billy please enter billy texted me right before saying low-key shitting my pants right now so start without me um was it low-key or high-key low-key okay all right hey hey a lot people are saying, a few people alerted to me this in the chat, but you had a little injury. You were playing dinged up for like the second half of the game there.
What happened? Because you said before we started the podcast that you got a funny bone injury. Some people said that you hurt your elbow doing a double fist pump.
Oh, no. See, that's where it's like you're just out of your...
You're just... Literally, this is propaganda PFD.
This is what he does with the NFL. If you watch the stream, you watch the clip, I told you that I had a funny bone injury and then you just literally...
I watched your brain... No, I heard the same thing as PFD.
...and vent the story out of your own mind. No, you told me how you heard it by slamming your elbow down onto the arm of a chair but it was you were doing a double fist it's hard to control both arms hey i put my hands up in disgust like what the heck just happened and in my motion to put it down i hit my funny bone so what the fuck did just happen because jimmy butler all i know is jimmy butler had 41 it's back to last year when he said he was stupidly locked in in the playoffs.
That was like he was doing everything. He's blocking shots.
He was scoring at will. They went 39-14 in the third quarter.
The Celtics actually, I think we all kind of felt it because the Celtics played a really good first half, and then you looked up and you're like, wait, they're only up by like six here or whatever it was. was eight at the half like 20 but it was crazy because they were shooting so well 60 from the field the first half and then jimmy butler no man has wanted 40 points more than jimmy butler wanted 40 points at that game jay butt was going to shoot the ball in every possession at the end of the game just to put the 40 spot up there what is a 40 it's a 50 a 50-burger, 60-lobster, 70-taco.
I think 40 is just a fucking great game. I think it's a 40-piece.
It's a 40-piece. Yeah, he put a 40-piece on it.
He was also, like, crazy, crazy efficient because he went 12 for 19 from the field and 17 for 18 from free throw, which the Celtics couldn't. I felt like they missed, like, one of every two free throws.
24- 32, 75%. Eight.
And on the defensive end, he was awesome too. He was stealing the ball like every time.
And to all the haters out there that say, oh, Jimmy Butler never D's up against the opponent's best player, I saw him guarding Grant Williams for most of the game. Yeah, he was all over the place.
That was the Jimmy Butler game. We also should mention that the Celtics did have Al Horford out with COVID.
Marcus Smart out with a foot, but maybe not. We saw his foot.
We were sitting next to his agent, and his agent mentioned something about his foot, and we saw it bleeding on the sideline after when we took a picture with him. So a bleeding foot.
But that's not really what they reported, so I'm kind of confused. What could a bleeding foot be? No Boston sports star has ever come back from a bleeding foot.
That's what it looked like, honestly. It was like you looked down, and the front of his foot was just, like, bleeding.
That's crazy because I think they did report it as a foot sprain. But if there's blood coming out, like, I don't know, is stigmata? That's not a foot.
Is that a foot? Metatorsal, is that a thing? Bro football doc, what's your diagnosis? Burst blister. Oh.
Burst blister? Okay. I mean, if I'm going to take Hank's side on this a little bit, and I think that I should just to stir the pot a little bit against Jake, the game is absolutely a much different entire setup if they've got Al Horford playing and Marcus Smart playing.
Yes. But the Heat didn't have Kyle Lowry, and the PA announcer, Mr.
Dos Minutos, was out due to his daughter's graduation. Which I'm going to throw a flag at.
That cancels out with Marcus Smart in my eyes. That guy doesn't care enough.
The fact that he went to a graduation instead of the Eastern Conference Finals. You're the Dos Minutos guy.
Yeah, big deal. Was it a college graduation? Yeah, it was like Columbia Medical School.
Oh, it was medical school? So it was like the third graduation.

Get out of here.

I got to double check.

Michael Viamonte is his name.

They survived without the Dos Maneuva.

That's bullshit.

Yeah.

Classic Miami not showing up.

We also should mention that I think I was searching quickly.

I think that was the best NBA playoff game by a Gabe ever in Gabriel Vincent,

who was awesome.

He had that stretch where he was hitting everything. He had 17 points.
Hank, how are you? Bad. Yeah, because...
They won three out of four quarters and lost by 11. Oh.
Damn. I didn't realize they won three out of four quarters.
Well, that should count for something. 39-14.
I said beforehand, and everyone laughed at me, but with the COVID thing, it did feel to me like the Celtics are in the unknown right now. I think it's bullshit that anyone should be out for COVID.
It should be like the NFL playoffs where COVID just didn't exist. Al Horford's out possibly for the second game, and who knows what's going to happen to the rest of the team, but are you worried about that at all? I'm in full-blown denial about that because I would lose my mind.
I don't think I would cease to exist if that were the case. I'm hoping that Adam Silver takes a book from Goodell's playbook, and once they have a bunch of tests and they get worried, because it affects the game.
It's like everyone's talking about COVID and not about the game. Are they testing asymptomatically as a procedure, or was he coughing and had a fever and shit? I think that, from what I understand, Al Horford doesn't have the booster, and then the big issue is Jalen Brown is not vaccinated.
So that's where it's a little little dicey or people don't think he's vaccinated. I think it's one of those things where people have asked and he said he hasn't given a straight answer.
Because of several games that he hasn't played in this year. Right.
Notable games, yeah. And I agree, though, Hank.
You could be the biggest Celtics hater in the world. You could be the biggest Heat fan in the world.
If you think that COVID in the spring of 2022 should be deciding playoff series you're crazy like that's bullshit but it has to be at least discussed because al harvard missed tonight i'm not going to discuss it okay i'm i'm just gonna what taylor was taylor swift say i'm removing myself from that narrative okay i like that what are you gonna say billy i'm not rooting for the Celtics. Oh, why? Because they're game changers.
What do you mean? Free thinkers. Okay, gotcha.
Got it. But they're not.
You're vaccinated, Billy. Billy doesn't like when we say that he's vaccinated.
It hurts his street cred somehow. Isn't it a possibility, though, that the Celtics were the ones that are doing most of the testing on their own just to keep anyone who's possibly infected away from Jalen Brown? Well, no.
They were on a flight together. They were in practice together.
There were pictures that were shown of Al Horford standing in the huddle at practice earlier today. Okay.
So that's why it has to be at least discussed. Again, I think it's bullshit.
I don't think anyone should have to sit out at this point. I think if you're sick, if you're actually sick, you probably should be playing.
But it at least needs to be discussed because it seems like it's going to be a storyline in this series. Even if it's just Al Horford misses game two, he's clearly important.
Hank, your denial, not panic. Denial, not panic.
It was a winnable game. They won three out of four quarters.
They looked great in the second half. Jalen Brown, I mean, Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown played bad.
He just played bad. Threw up a stinker.
He might have COVID. In the fourth quarter.
Well, he came alive in the fourth quarter, but the game was already decided. Jason Tatum had like 100 points in the first half and then shot the ball four times.
Yeah. I don't know what happened in the third quarter.
The bigger concern is like you guys couldn't get the ball up the court. It was like – It was shades of game five.
Like they were just having horrible turnovers. Here's the thing with the Celtics, and this is – like Marcus Smart is their point guard, and it does feel like at times they don't have anyone else they truly trust dribbling the ball and he's not even like a real point right and you saw in this game where it's like what's going on here they the heat just kept on getting uh transition dunks steel dunk steel dunk over and over in that third quarter and then you get up to a point where jake is fake cheering for the celtics in your face and you have was trying to give me hope.
That's what he was doing. It was as if Jake was a neutral fan watching the game and was like, oh, Hank's my guy.
I'm going to root for him. I want Hank to be happy, so I'm going to try and will the Celtics a victory.
That was the noise that he made. He apologizes.
You know exactly what I'm talking about. He apologizes for beating you.
He's like, oh, here we go. This might be good for you.
As he's beating you harder. He's like the hangman.
He's like, hey, I'm sorry. That looks like it hurts.
Let me just pull this rope up a little bit more. This might be good for you.
I'm rooting for you. Exactly.
Jake, if you're getting beat by somebody. He's not.
And somebody's apologizing to you. Can you imagine how that could make one angry? I understand I've done that before.
But in this instance are blowing it out of proportion i'm sorry well we're on edge because eastern conference finals i i demanded i saw hank blow up at you while we're sitting in the gambling cave and i just put a quick shutdown to i said save it all for the show no one say another word um and yeah this is what we're gonna get and hank's not even looking at you right now he's not giving you eye contact it's gonna be tense in here this is what the're going to get. And Hank's not even looking at you right now.
He's not giving you eye contact. It's going to be tense in here.
This is what the listeners want. This is sports, baby.
Yeah. It's just like, I don't know.
I don't know how to actually make it possible. Let's make it better.
Let's make it better. Jake, would you apologize to Hank for beating him tonight? No.
But you should because he won three out of four quarters. So it's kind of an asterisk on your win.
Like he had two of his best players out tonight. And three out of four quarters.
Yeah, and also that. You guys are trying to make me take the bait.
No, I just think that would be the polite thing, the sportsmanship thing to do. It's a long series.
That's right. You don't have to show good sportsmanship.
That's okay. It's a long series.
It's a long series. Don't be a good sport.
I like this. This was more of a must win for the Heat than the Celtics.
Thursday night should be interesting. Should we stream on Thursday night? We probably should because I like watching you guys just sit there next to each other, interact.
It's just fun. Nothing happened on the stream.
No, I know. Having you guys watch a game together definitely makes it better.
Nothing from you happened on the stream, but your presence as you're winning, it does affect Hank physically. And there was a moment where Hank was talking sweep in the first quarter.
He was saying this is the Jalen Brown-Jason Tatum show. You said five on Sunday's show, which is still in play.
Yeah. Here you go.
Take that, Hank. All right.
There was one other thing that I noticed in the game. Pat Riley.
You see when they cut to him? They always have to cut to Pat Riley once or twice. And Alonzo Mourning.
And Alonzo Mourning. Oh, and Haslam, by the way.
Haslam is a coach on the court on the bench. Yes.
It's awesome. He's giving hand signals and stuff from the sidelines.
It's incredible watching him. But they showed Pat Riley tonight.
I'm a little concerned what's going on with old Pat. Why? Because he had no hair gel in at all.
It was like he got a Brazilian blowout. He is old.
Yeah, but I mean, that doesn't... Old people put a shitload of hair gel in.
No, I know. I just think he might be at the, like, I'm not even trying anymore.
See, I never thought that Pat Riley would reach that age. And it was like he had a little mini fro going on.

Pat Riley was born before Hitler died.

Wow.

He's 77 years old.

Just looked it up.

March 20th, 1945.

He's an old guy.

He's been around for a long time.

He's the godfather.

He's incredible.

He is.

No, listen, I love Pat Riley.

Pat Riley is an all-time basketball mind.

Yes.

When I see Pat Riley, I want to see him slip back. I want to see him wearing a shirt that's too cool for me to even wear.
I get what you're saying. You're right.
You're right. Alonzo Mourning still looks like he'd give anyone 15 and 10 at any point.
We also had – so let's just say this. Long series, Hank.
You lost game one against the Bucs. It's no big deal.
Series doesn't start until you lose at home. True.
So you're all good. Yeah.
Yeah. We also had the draft lottery tonight, which is fun.
The Magic. I didn't actually even register that happening.
Oh, yeah. Would you like to break the news to me? Oh, yes.
The Magic got the first pick. Who got the second pick? I can't even remember.
Was it Thunder? Thunder were top four. I know that.
Was there any good guests in the crowd? Yeah. Well, Rip Hamilton was there.
Didn't put on his mask. It was sitting next to him.
Thunder, too. I'm convinced that that ruined the pick for the Pistons.
A wagon. Thunder have a billion picks.
Who else? Oh, Anderson Vergeau was there, which I thought he was still playing. But he was there for the Cavs.
He'll be on the Lakers next year. LeBron will bring him back.
He'll definitely be on the Lakers. I'm trying to think who else was there.
There was one GM that was there, which that's the saddest thing you can do. That spot is for a fan, a player, a mascot.
You don't – I feel the GM. You can't sit there.
Was it Swin Cash from the Pelicans? Maybe. I don't know.
You just can't – You can't do that. It's almost beneath you at that point.
Yeah, right. Exactly.
That's for a giveaway. That's a ticket that you give to a fan that had a part of the stadium fall on them earlier this year, and you're trying to make it up to them.
You're like, hey, listen, I'll give you an autographed, I don't know, like 1999 Sixth Man that we had jersey, and then I'll also let you sit next to the envelopes. Right, right.
This was Jamie Gertz. She was always a mind-blown moment.
Yes. She would be there for the Hawks.
We also had an all-time record scratch moment in the gambling cave, which could have been the greatest Mike Greenberg dumb rule ever. Dougs, Coach Dougs, who is our colleague, said after the lottery was decided.

The real Coach Dougs. The real Coach Dougs.

He said.

Well, actually the fake Coach Dougs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The what?

Brought to life.

The reanimated?

The Frankenstein?

Yeah.

Unanimated?

Reanimated?

Animated.

No.

No, he's not animated.

He's like the 3D version of The Simpsons when they did the Halloween episode.

It's live action.

Yeah.

Live action Coach Dougs.

Yeah, the Halloween.

It's a cartoon come to life. Live action.
So anyway, they finish the lottery and he just goes, so when do they start picking? And I was like, we were like, wait, what? It does make sense. That's one reason why I think that the NFL will definitely implement this at some point in the future.
Because you get an entire new night of ratings out of this extravagant. Roger Goodell will figure out a way to make the NFL draft lottery like six hours long.
Right. Presented by Northrop Grumman.
And he'll bring out like the Girl Scouts and the troops. Yeah, that's true.
And they'll turn into like a massive thing. But could you imagine how electric it would be if they did the lottery? And then they're like, all right, 10 minutes you're on the clock yeah you gotta have your draft boards in order yeah like you don't know where you're gonna pick and let's go get at it so yeah i think they should do that from now on it would be an electric moment um i'm trying to think what else well we had hockey i i'm still not oh yeah the panthers lost jake yeah i mean i tweeted this uh yesterday morning so it's a little bit of old news but the fact that the nhl put the heat and the panthers together six of the seven nights especially games one and two when they're both home 40 minutes away is an absurd decision uh-oh no it's no respect you got no respect for south florida you've got us against the world now yeah we've been that way but it's nice because uh for the next two weeks like if one loses you'll be like all right i still have the other one so unless it's a reverse sweeps you're getting you're getting a big win somewhere now i don't want to um this is your fan base the heat but they are like you know remember last year in the finals when we were watching the finals games and we're like damn phoenix sun's fan base like this would be the coolest part i've never said about miami i'll get in front of it every single time they show a person in miami i'm like douchebag douchebag douchebag i don't know do they always everyone always wears white linen white hot heat yeah white hot heat thing there's the guy with the he was wearing like a backpack in the front of louis vuitton that's miami yeah j Flo Rida was Pitbull.
No. Yes.
I said I knew it was one of them. I said both names.
You thought you had your double dip? Who did you say first? Who did you say first? I may have said Pitbull. They look a lot alike, right? Yeah.
They're both bald, right? They both wear sunglasses inside. They don't look anything alike.
Nothing alike. I mean, that's also Mr.
World worldwide the other one's mr 305 i believe no that's the same guy people yeah people does everything mr 305 and honestly i didn't know hoody and the bulletfish was so like anything pop culture music like i don't think that's a fair comparison okay i'm sorry literally mr worldwide jake hank is now, we played in Hank's hands. He wanted us to do that because he needs to get back above.
No, we're talking about Heat fans. I was just bringing a topical reference from the stream earlier.
That's the thing about Heat fans is they're focused on one thing and one thing only. That's the game.
Right, Jake? That's what you're focused on. Of course.
Exactly. I do hope that they both, in a weird way, it'd be cool if they both won their championships and they scheduled the parades on the same day.
There'll be 20 at one, 60 at the other. Yes.
You don't want to. Some guy got in my way with that comment.
Oh, you ran him over? Damn. Wow, where'd you learn that move from, Jake? Oh, man.
Sorry, Jake. It's okay.
You're a winner. Yeah, you are a winner.
This all comes from a place of bitterness. I want you to understand that.
That every bad thing I say about you and about your teams, every bad thing I say about, every fact that I make up and propaganda I spew about Hank, it comes from a place of extreme jealousy that you get to root for championship caliber team. Appreciate it.
And I think I speak for PFT when I say that the two of us sitting right now with no teams left in the playoffs, we just want you guys to just tear each other apart. I want throat scratches.
I want body blows. I want mean things said.
I want everyone to be as miserable as I am. Yeah, I want feelings hurt.
I want things to be a little tense for a few months after this. I want it to be like, oh, yeah, maybe.
I want both of you to talk shit about each person behind their back. I want it all.
I want it all. I just don't know.
Because that's all we got. We don't have teams.
We just want chaos and miserable people. If both of you could lose this series, I would root for that.

Yeah, I understand.

I just don't know how you're going to get that out of me.

You will do enough of you to make Hank respond in kind.

Talking behind his back?

Yeah, I'll get that out of you.

Yeah.

You did that yesterday.

Jake, we've made...

Don't tell him what I said.

Okay.

We've made stronger men break than you.

All right.

Other stuff.

Before we get to Hot Seat Cool Throne, I'm still not over Sunday night.

Chris Paul, he does have a quad injury.

Yeah, yeah.

The king of injuries.

After the game, actually during the game, Patrick Beverly tweeted out,

now watch and let's see who has a fake injury pop up at the last second.

And then about an hour later, Chris Paul was spotted limping around the hallways with an ice pack on his quad.

They asked him about his quad injury, so he didn't feel like talking about it that much.

It's the LeBron.

I have a pretty much broken hand.

It's basically broken.

It's every single time.

I mean, at the end of the day, I think we all know where we stand with Chris Paul.

I think you said it, PFT.

He's like the best player who kind of stinks. I also think no offense.
Of all time. Of all time.
Yeah. No offense to short Kings, but it is one of those situations where height and size do matter.
And it's not a surprise that Chris Paul's body breaks down every single year. Yeah.
And he like gets exposed defensively every single year. And these moments happen every single year.
I mean, it does matter. Size does matter.
Like it or not, that's just the truth. It's a fact, baby.
If you're getting hit by other things that are bigger than you, you're probably going to get hurt more frequently than the bigger guys. If there's a guard that's taller than you, it's probably going to be more difficult to guard him than if he's the same size as you.
I'll say something very nice about Chris Paul. Chris Paul, he should be the face of the Hall of Very Good.
He should be, like, first inductee. He should be the president of the Hall of Very Good.
Yes. That's, like, that's, I mean, obviously he's a Hall of Famer.
But I'm saying, like, he is what I think of when I think of, like, he makes it so easy for you to make the championship argument, which is why I, so I felt great about all the shit that we've talked about chris paul i would not take back a single breath of it but i'm starting now after the fact when they're doing all the the post-mortems and you see like even greenie getting in a couple like smirks here and there and chris paul yes i'm starting to now like flip just a little bit it feels like i was saying this on sunday there's too much piling on correct going on chris paul where i don't want i don't i don't them to steal that away from me, but it looks like it's out of my hands now where you've got everyone now in agreement like, oh, this is now the official Chris Paul narrative. I think that I'm starting to think maybe next year I might root for it to change.
It's like the Tony Soprano when he fights Jackie April Jr. in the bathroom.
He's like, put your hands up. Put your hands up.
Like, Rosillo, put your hands up. Fight me.
Fight us. Exactly.
I want some opposition to it. So it's not fun when you're piling on a guy and there's nobody left to conquer.
And everyone again. I just found a gun in Ryan Rosillo's, in the pocket of his jacket, and he's dating my daughter.
Right. But he's cheating on her.
He's at a strip club. And I i just know that he's gonna have to be whacked after he robs that benefit concert and sticks up the card but just make sure you make it look like it was something a drug deal gone wrong exactly that's what i want i want to shoot ryan in the head yes yes and while he's walking away while he's walking away yeah um the yeah rossillo's down bad i talked to him on the phone on monday he was like i feel like such a loser because everyone keeps checking in on me and i was like i just silence i was like okay you okay man yeah i was like you okay that's actually like one of the one of the worst moments that you can have in life if you ever find yourself in a position where you're getting texts from people that you haven't talked to in like months and they're all just checking being like hey are you all right yeah i just want to say like i love you in case you need to hear that right now yeah it's actually like it's good to check in on your friends but it's bad to check in on somebody that you haven't spoken with in a long time just because you know that they're doing really shitty right right and it's also very weird to be like checking in on someone because they just have an affinity towards a 37 year old point guard that can never can never come up big in big moments.
Patrick Beverly has arrived as hater of the year. It's over.
He's one hater of the year. I think he flew from vacation to get up to just slander and go after Chris Paul.
He called him a traffic cone. He went as far to say that when he plays Chris Paul, he goes out the night before, he gets a steak, he has no problem when he plays Steph Curry.
He's asleep by 8 p.m. And then, unfortunately, like everything in life, he stayed an extra day and then started to expose himself as like, oh, he's just like all hot takes.
Because he then went how uh james harden was going to get the super max from some other team jj reddick was like that actually is not possible the the sixers are the only team that give him the super max and he was like well someone else is going to give him the max he was saying jason tatum doesn't play defense like all these things that he he had one awesome day on all these shows and then stayed the extra day, and everyone's like, wait, just go back to the Chris Paul – play the Chris Paul plays. Do the Chris Paul thing.
He'd have a great time on this podcast. He would, yeah.
No, we'd invite to pass that to come on. He also got into the LeBron bubble, the asterisk, and he was like, yeah, LeBron got – yeah, I guess the Lakers won a couple years ago, but that was in the bubble.
It does not count. and JJ was like well I can put asterisk and he was like yeah lebron got yeah i guess the lakers won a couple years ago but that was in the bubble it does not count and jj was like well i can i can put asterisk on any other title that you can name in like the last 10 years i'll just make up reason for the asterisk this is where jj gets like too intellectual i i like when when pat bev just like fires off the hot takes he just needs the problem with him is he's shooting them out like a.
Right. He needs to be a sniper.
Buckshot. He needs to pick like two lanes and then go hard on those two lanes because you can't have the hot take about every single possible thing.
JJ's almost too real for TV. Well, what JJ should have- They might try and muzzle him if he keeps speaking the truth.
Yeah. Yeah, he is.
I'm not joking. No, you're absolutely right.
They're like, you can't do- Like Mad Dog Dog and Stephen A are not happy with JJ. Yeah, you can't make them look stupid.
Yeah. Because we know they're stupid, but that's what sells.
Right. JJ should have come back at Pat Beverly when he said the asterisks, which I love because we say it too, the bubble championship.
He should have just said, are you saying that simply because you want the 3-1 collapse by the Clippers erased when your entire team quit against the Nuggets in that game seven. Yeah.
Because that would be the response that you could use to be like, hey, remember when that happened, Pat? Yeah, I just like the idea of Pat Bev going, he's basically going to go door to door now. He's awesome.
Knock on every door in New York, be like, hey, can I talk? He's like an evangelist, what's the, Jehovah's Witness. He's like a Jehovah's Witness.
He's got a pamphlet in his hand. He's like, hey, I'm here to talk to you about how bad Chris Paul stinks in the playoffs.
I like him doing that on TV, and he's funny because he comes from like a small place of malice too. Like he's mad.
I don't think it's small. I think it's big.
But most people on TV, when they do these things, they're doing it. You can tell they're really saying these takes because it makes them feel good about having a spicy opinion.

I think Pat Bev just actually hates Chris.

Oh, hates him.

It was so funny because he hit so well on that Monday getup.

They're like, all right, dude, can you stay for two days and just do every show?

He was doing Stephen A. Smith's World, which is a very every show he was doing Stephen A.
Smith's world Stephen A.

Smith's world which is like a very funny premise because it's Stephen A. Smith remove him from his regular studio put him into two nice chairs and he does like a sit-down conversation like let's get real and so but it was just a it was basically Pat Bev saying his Chris Paul why he hates Chris Paul but just in like a slightly lower tone.

He was like,

Steve A. Smith was like,

hey, Pat,

when did this all start patrick was like i was at a camp uh you know i think it was high school or college and chris paul was there and i played him and i destroyed him and it's like wait but so why do you hate him like it made no sense but it doesn't have to make sense was he upset because chris paul got like more of the shine than pat bev did i don't know but he his hate is very real and it also goes back to show as much as i think a lot of us want to be smart sports fans and a lot of us want to hear uh intelligent discussion from time to time about sports really at the end of the day we want someone who is very entertaining and has a very hot take and will stick by it. Yeah.
Because I watched that, and again, he was saying shit that just was factually incorrect, but the way he was saying it was so entertaining, I was like, I want more Pepe. My new favorite take out there is how Skip Bayless is now the biggest luca hater on the planet yeah on the fucking planet he's kind of he's doing that exact same thing where he just like he cherry picks the perfect stats to talk about luca he's like he will not forget the games that the mavericks lost in this series against the suns and every time it gets brought up to me he's like i don't want to talk about those those't matter.
They're like, well, what about all the games that Michael Jordan lost? And then he gets mad at them for even mentioning Michael Jordan's name in the same breath as Luka Doncic. It's great.
Listen, this is probably like, I don't know, 90% of why I got into this line of work is because I fucking love the hot takes. The strong takes, they make the world go round.
They. They make sports.
Imagine if you had to just like have these conversations with your coworkers the next day at the office. And they're making the dumbest points, but they are not able to make like the loud, completely factually incorrect, but entertaining points.
Correct. We need that.
We need that in society more than anything. Yeah.
And that was, it was the perfect storm because even someone who is the most reserved analyst of the NBA and who's the most mild take guy out there, I don't even know who that person is, but that person has to admit that what happened on Sunday night was one of the most embarrassing Game 7 losses of all time. It actually just was.
You know what I mean mean it's not you can't you can't watch that game and see that result and come away with anything less than that was an absolute total embarrassment and also we should throw in devon booker should get some hate too and deandre hayton uh is now like at odds with everyone and they might not give him a contract and i just uh there was a there was an article that that DeAndre Ayton's, like, addicted to gaming, which I love those storylines. Him and Kyler.
Yeah, he just spends all day gaming. And then you've got to, like, straddle the line because he's like, gaming has saved my life and my mental health.
It's like, but also you're tired and yawning at practice. I don't know.
Yeah, well, they could have given him that contract before the year started. Right.
And they're probably glad that they didn't based on how he acted in that game. Like, I know Monty Williams was fucking pissed at him at the end of the game because the report was that Aiton took himself out and then refused to go back in the game.
He only played 17 minutes. He just said, no, I'm going to be out for the rest of the game.
Just leave me on the bench. And if that's the case, like, that's what we're going back to because Aiton, when he does play and he feels like he's being aggressive, I don't think he can really be stopped.
Maybe Embiid could stop him or Giannis could stop him, but he's an elite big dude when he's feeling like he's dialed in. Yeah, the problem is with the NBA now, you just have to be able to play five out, and I don't know how you can do that with him.
That's the biggest issue. One thing that I'm noticing, though, as a

trend is that all the best players

in the NBA, they're dickheads

when they're on the court. They're like absolute

assholes. You gotta have an edge.
He doesn't have

that edge. You gotta get an edge.

He probably has that edge at

Verdansk? It's called

Dara now. Dara? It's an island Dara.

Called Dara? Okay.

So he's probably got it there. You gotta have some dog in you.
That's what I'm getting at. You got to have a dog.
Yeah. That's probably correct.
Yeah. What does that mean? Good.
It means GGs. Okay.
Let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne. Let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne.
It is brought to you by our friends at Mugsy. Mugsy's are the most comfortable men's jeans on the planet.
Built with a proprietary stretch denim. These jeans look stylish but feel like you're wearing sweatpants.
They're the most comfortable jeans in the world. Cotton-based for breathability and that classic or natural denim look and feel.
They have more room for your balls. No hugging your balls.
They're never too baggy, never too skinny. They're always just right.
I'm telling you, guys, don't walk around with those super baggy jeans. Yougy jeans you look like a clown and also guys a lot of us can't pull off skinny jeans i know that i can't for a fact so mugsy is the perfect uh jean in the middle where you look stylish it feels comfortable it is everything you want in a jean rip resistant rip resistant the greatest thing to hit pool since the cannonball is here mugsy swim as well they just dropped 10 fresh new designs for their swim collection no netting instead they have a form-fitting liner that hugs your thighs super stretch fabric makes for a quicker drying surface there's nothing worse than being in a wet bathing suit so use promo code pmt for 10 off your entire order do your legs a favor and head on over to mugsy.com to pick up a pair of the most comfortable clothes ever worn.
That's mugsy.com for 10% off your entire order using promo code PMT mugsy.com. Use that promo code PMT for 10% off your entire order.
Hot seat, cool throne. Henry.
My hot seat is humans this summer. the i don't know if you guys have seen this i'm sure billy you have the crying snapchat filter oh yeah it's here uh the bills posted a video where they did it to all their rookies starting to get more and more viral and it's one of those ai things that's too it's scary yeah what is scary it's creepy walk me through it billy it's a deep fake that makes you look like you're crying.
Yeah. Like you take a video of you.
It looks like you're sobbing. Billy, do a video of this conversation, and it looks like you're crying afterwards.
It's brutal. Billy, say to the camera, I was late for this episode part of my take because I was low-key taking a shit.
Yeah. We'll see what that looks like if you're crying.
Wait, what do you got to do with that? You have to use your phone. I use the phone.
Let me get the filter going i'll make are we low-key worried that low-key is being used too much that's kind of the that's the point oh that's high key okay yeah everything's low-key but it's going to be a long summer of uh that filter and it's i agree it's creepy scary i don't like seeing it what is it used for? I think it's a Snapchat filter. And I agree it's creepy, scary.
I don't like seeing it.

What is it used for?

I think it's a Snapchat filter.

For laughs.

I could just take a video of you and it would look like

you were crying on it and then I would share it with everybody.

Billy, you should take a video of PFT talking

to Big Cat. You've seen it.
You've definitely

seen it. It's so good that you probably didn't

know that that's what you were watching.

I just thought that we were getting more in tune with our emotions.

No, it's creepy.

It's very, very creepy.

Thank you. seen it.
It's so good that you probably didn't know that that's what you were watching. I just thought that we were getting more in tune with our emotions.
No, it's creepy. It's very, very creepy.
He's doing it right now. I guess I'm crying right now.
Yeah, you're fucking bawling your eyes out. I'm bawling.
Let me see. Take your glasses.
Post me crying. I'm such a beta right now.
Oh my God. Let me see.
Oh no. Am I crying? Alright, we'll put this out.
Oh, Jake, I can see you.

I'm crying.

Jake's bawling his eyes out.

So what's your – Hank.

Oh, he's crying.

What's your cool throne, Hank?

My cool throne, I had Pat Beverly, but luckily I had another one.

It is Big Dick Booty Daddy.

Yes.

Rough and Rowdy.

Probably the best.

We did the Canelo-Bibble fight last week. There was considerably –? Or whatever.
Two weeks ago. Basically last week.
Considerably less tension for that fight than this fight. This fight's been in the making for like, I don't know, a year and a half, two years.
This guy Big Dick Booty Daddy. You're putting out a doc episode today.
It's 10 minutes. You get the whole backstory, but he one of the most electric promo cutters I've ever seen.
He's the biggest prick in the fight game. Pro wrestler, yeah.
He said he won a fight, and then he said he was going to eat Bobby Lang's wife's box like a hungry, hungry hippo. And in much more vulgar words, and he's cut like a million promos like that, it's going to be on Friday.
PFT making his debut on the sideline. It's been my dream.
Doing sideline reporting. With Caleb.
I'll let you spoil it. He's got some good tricks up his sleeve.
I don't want to spoil it. But that's going to be Friday night.
I don't know if I have any tricks on my head. Well, you said you were bringing something.
Now I've got to think of a trick to put on my side. Oh, yeah, yeah.
I'm bringing something. Say it and then we'll bleep it.
So I can react. I'm going to bring a d***.
that's what you got to have on whoa yeah bleep that and then yeah that's big that's good yeah that's gonna be big it's gonna be big it's gonna be big uh so friday night buy rnr.com i'm i cannot wait i like i'm canelo versus bivou is great i've been way more excited for this for a while yes it's gonna. It's 20 fights.
It's the best pay-per-view you could buy in the world

because it's nonstop action, great fights, great night.

I'll sing the anthem.

It's going to be the best.

It's actually the perfect thing to put on

if you've got some buddies over at the place.

You guys are all cracking a few Coors Lights.

Put on the fights, and it's going to be a hell of an evening.

Yes.

It's videos.

It's terrifying.

The Snapchat filter is terrifying. PFT, you're seat culture.
All the boys crying in the studio. It's so funny, though.
My hot seat. Well, I got Billy on the hot seat first and foremost because Billy tweeted out another grizzly animal murder earlier today.
What, your ball sack? It was aquatic. Hank, that's fucked up.
That's very funny, actually, Hank. That was good.
But yeah, he did tweet my ball sack out. But yeah, no, Hank or Billy tweeted out another animal murder.
We've told him not to do that. We suspended him from tweeting videos.
I think you should keep doing it. But you weren't supposed to do that.
I quote tweeted it. You weren't supposed to do that until after the second round at the PGA Championship so that Max Homa would enter killer mode.
I don't know if a quote tweet would hold up in court. Mad Max mode.
I think you should keep doing it, Billy. You got to just live your life.
It was current. Low key, you should live your life.
High key. It's like watching...
I'm confused. It's like watching Animal Planet if it was directed by Quentin Tarantino.
Just like all slaughters all the time. It was a pygmy sperm whale that was being chased by a seal, released its ink.
The whale was getting chased by the seal? Yeah. In shallow water, those types of whales get their sonar fucked up.
So it ran right into the rock and then there was blood everywhere. Oh, geez.
Pinballing off the sides of rocks. It cracked its skull.
It was like Gus Perot. Keep doing that.
Yeah. I just muted Billy.
So just keep doing it. I want you to keep doing it uh my other hot seat is the paypal six men did you guys see the statement that the suns put out yesterday yes so the suns put out they they tried to do their lightning statement they tried to copy i think that was our advice to them right yeah you gotta go lightning with it and they said today is a new day for phoenix suns fans by the way this whole thing is just like it's an all-black graphic, just letting you guys know the tone of this.
A death occurred. The work on next season is already underway.
As employees, fans, partners and PayPal six-man members of the Phoenix Suns, you should be proud of what you have helped this team and our organization accomplish. It goes on and it basically says, hey, sorry.
Sorry for everything that happened. we apologize to you while also putting like a very small amount of blame but some of the blame nonetheless on phoenix suns fans yeah just being like hey you guys you guys fucked up yeah uh but they should be refunded for that performance in game seven i also would just love to see a team account just be like uh our bad they should have just done the crying filter on their entire roster Yeah, but just like bad too if they had woken up the next day and just been like hand up that sucked that sucked hey let's all pretend last night didn't happen yeah right do me a solid real quick uh my cool throne is the course at the pga championship uh according to golf meteorologist sam bozorian did i pronounce that right, Bozo.
The winds will be blowing in four different directions on each day of the tournament this week. Does that ever happen? Get your popcorn ready.
I don't know. I think it's usually not that windy in Oklahoma, right? Yeah, no.
But I'm going to be rooting for the course. I'm sure you will be too, except against the players that we're also rooting also rooting for also i don't know if this counts as the course but brooks locked his keys in his car today he'll be fine i think he'll be fine yeah i just figured that was uh it was worth mentioning yeah it's worth mentioning you've probably got to be looking around be like hey is patrick reed around here yeah he can he knows how to hotwire this help me help me break the window real quick uh Speaking of the PGA Championship, my hot seat is Max Homa, our good friend,

because he's paired with Bryson, and that is terrible.

Well, it could be great.

I don't think so.

I don't think there's any way.

Bryson plays slow.

He's a circus.

He sucks.

Max needs to mentally be strong. We're going to be positive with him but my thoughts and prayers are for our good friend max because i mean could you imagine having like showing up you're playing the best golf of your life you show up to a major and it's like hey you have to you have to hang out with bryson dechbeau for nine hours he's next two days he i could see a world where he's like the cooler you remember that movie where you just get somebody that's really shitty at gambling to go stand next to somebody on hot streak that could be i could see bryson filling that role but i could also see max getting so annoyed that he just plays really well so he gets off the course faster yeah yeah okay all right all right we can spin it either way yeah yeah and then my cool throne is coach k

because it was revealed oh hank's shaking his head it was revealed that he made uh 14 million

dollars last year 12 and a half the year that they won 13 games and he's the most winning coach in

ncw i'm sorry was this your cool throne i'm sorry it's providing context for listeners and it's

you know 12 and a half million dollars it proves yet again what Coach K said was true when he was flirting with the NBA, and he said the allure of coaching in college has no price. Yeah.
You don't think he could get more if he went to the NBA? I don't know. Maybe not.
Probably not. That's a lot of money.
That's a shitload of money. That's a ton of money.
I doubt that the Lakers would have paid him more than that. Also, a special shout out to everyone who's like, dude, give it up.
He's retired. Yes, thank you.
Keep shouting that out. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Shout it from the rooftops. You don't give up your grudges and your hatred in sports.
They age like a fine wine. I will be slandering this man forever.
Okay? But by your logic, which is incorrect, but technically, if we're going by your book, the book of Dan Katz, you killed this man. His career, yes.
But I'm coming for his afterlife. I'm coming for his retirement life.
Got it. I want his retirement life to be miserable.
That seems excessive. Well, I'm an excessive guy sometimes.
He would be, by $3.5 million, the highest paid NBA coach. Here it is.
The allure of coaching these kids. Come on.
Listen, Coach K would have coached for free if he could have. Unfortunately, he had to make $14 million a year.
But you know he brought in so much more money. It doesn't matter.
How much more do you think Duke basketball makes you? I know millions of dollars. Frank, as it always applies to him, he should get paid $14 million.
He shouldn't also pretend that he's getting paid nothing and he just is there for the kids. That's really simple.
Maybe he's on a Tom Brady thing where he's putting it off and putting it off. I have no problem with him making $14 million.
I have a problem with him being like, I'm just here for the kids. I do this shit for free.
In the most recent data provided by the U.S. Department of Education 2020, the Duke University men's basketball team made $33.4 million in revenue.
So Coach K is taking almost half of all the money. The entire basketball program just exists as a corporation to pay Coach K.
He got paid. He deserves it.
They probably wanted to cut his salary. They're like, hey, Coach K, we'd like to get some new sneakers next year.
Zions are falling apart. Yeah.
And he's like, I'm out. I quit.
Last year, he got paid a million dollars per win. That's pretty good.
A million dollars per win. That's, this guy is, I mean, he's just bashing.
He doesn't respect equipment.

The camera.

Yeah.

Those poor guys are going to have to fix that camera now.

Watching Blues, Avalanche.

I actually just had a moment while this TV was on the game.

That was my first, oh, yeah, Russell Wilson is on the Broncos

because he's at the Avalanche game pumping everyone up.

And I was like, whoa, this is weird.

Oh, yeah, he's on the Broncos.

Billy, your hot seat, cool throne. Low key.
My hot seat is me. So I actually have to end up giving that gambling money from UFC on Saturday night back.
Rikic did tear his ACL, turns out. Wait, what? Oh, you do? You don't have to give it back to the sportsbook.
You have to give it back. I have to donate to ACL surgery research.

Yes.

And what was your initial diagnosis?

Probably just a mile.

They haven't figured out the ACL surgery.

LCL and MCL. Someday people will stop dying from ACLs.

Yeah.

Should have moved like the Pope who just drinks tequila when his knee hurts.

That's another development.

Is that true?

Yep.

That was his care all.

Yeah.

And my cool throne is Jack Nicklaus, who rejected 100%.

Wait.

What?

What?

Nicholas.

No.

This is over.

This podcast is done.

Jake is going to have a stroke.

Hold on.

Hold on.

No one tell him.

Jack Nicklaus.

Okay.

Jack Nicklaus.

How did he say that?

Jack Nicklaus.

He said it like Nicklaus. It took me like two seconds to realize that's who he was talking about.
That's why my reaction was delayed. Oh, my God.
On what planet did you? Jack Nicklaus? Where did we find you, Billy? Rejected $100 million. We're true, Billy.
Stay strong. To not go to the Saudi Golf League.
Shocking. Yeah, he rejected all that money because of his morals.
So, cool throwing him. Wait, Jack Nicklaus? Jack Nicklaus was offered $100 million to golf? He's like 90.
I don't know to be the commissioner up. All right, good for Jack Klaus.
That's how it's fucking spelled. No.
I'm with you, Billy. He's like one of the most famous.
Why does he just spell his name Nicholas? Why is it Nicklaus? Because his grandfather's grandfather, grandfather, that's how he spelled his name. What a douchebag for not anglicizing his name.
Oh, wow. That was a joke.
If you saw a picture of him, would you not recognize him? Make your name more American. That's probably the first time.
No, it's definitely the first time in his life that Jack Nicklaus has experienced racism. Yeah.
That's why it's fine to say that. Holy shit, Jack Nicklaus.
You are a special person. I love you, Billy.
Yeah, no, you're a special guy. I love you.
Don't ever change. Don't read another book ever.
That makes, like, Hanks, like, Objen and Thyland. That's up there.
We should do a Mount Rushmore pronunciation. I think Thyland is equally as bad because it's like you should recognize the name.
The same way when you see Jack Nicklaus, like you know his last name is Nicklaus. I've only read his name.
Yeah, but Objin is maybe even better because you're also like not understanding a vagina. That one, well, yeah.
Who knows what an Objin, like who knows what that is? Who knows what that is? A lot of people. Yeah, but probably because your significant others, like had to go.
I was single at the time.

Jack Nicklaus.

Unbelievable.

Print the shirts.

Jack Nicklaus.

It's also all capital letters.

When was the last time he played?

But he gets talked.

You've heard his name said.

Billy, he tees off at a gust.

I'm pretty sure he's the first person that hits every single year. Right.

And they say, to kick off this year's Masters tournament here he is jack but like what like when did he stop playing a long time i think yeah he stopped playing at the masters in like the late 90s probably yeah i was born in the late 90s that's true but he's still like i think he has the all-time record for major tournaments. He's the guy that Tiger's chasing.
That's how you should know his name because for the last 20 years, everyone's been like, when is Tiger going to get Jack Nicklaus? Jack Nicklaus is the GOAT. Jack Nicklaus sounds better than Jack Nicklaus.
He's 82 years old. Jack Nicklaus sounds like every other dude.
He's 82 years old, Jack Nicklaus. It is confusing when you got Jack Nicklaus and you got Phil Mickelson.
You want to call him Jack Nicklauson? Yeah. Yeah.
I almost thought this article was about Phil Mickelson. I thought he turned down the money, but it turns out he didn't.
No, Phil did. No, Phil did.
He's still taking the bait. That's why I'm putting Jack Nicklaus.
You should shefter this. Like when Tom Brady was suspended, it was Dom Grady that was starting for the Patriots.
Jack Nicklaus should take the $100 million. And Jack Nicklaus should say no.
That would be smart for him. Jack Nicklaus.
Unbelievable. What a moment.
I love you, Billy. I mean, that's a where were you moment.
Like people are going to crash their cars. Someone's getting their car out of a ditch right now.
They just turned the podcast back on, Triple H just showed up, because they're just in a fucking ditch. It's going to be illegal to listen to Billy's thoughts while operating heavy machinery.
It's like a reaction to a David Blaine magic trick. Yeah.
Except it was Billy saying Jack Nicklaus. I threw my headphones off.
What's crazy is usually there's, like, a small pause where we all have to do the what was that and then we realized We all knew it immediately It was bizarre Look I spent a lot of time In a sauna today I don't think it was good for my brain Billy it happens It's also a great podcast moment It's not going to get brought up for the rest of your career. It's a great podcast moment.
That's what we got. Don't even worry about it.
We're here for moments. Why does he spell his fucking name like Nicholas? You know what? I can't wait for the people in the comments are going to be like, that was staged.
Actually, low-key, he might actually pronounce his name Nicklaus, but he just changed it to make it easy for everybody. Stay strong, Billy.
Like Joe Thiesman. You know what? I'm going to Google Jack Nicklaus pronunciation,

and there's going to be zero hits

because no one's ever questioned it before.

Stay strong, Billy.

But who the hell spells Nicklaus like that?

The most famous golfer of all time.

So change your fucking name, asshole.

All right, Jake, your hot seat, cool throat.

I'm not going to top that.

That's an all-time moment. Yeah, no, it's very hard to follow that act.
Yeah, so I'll go quickly. My hot seat is the Carolina Hurricanes.
They are banning out-of-state ticket sales on the primary market. Oh, this is like the Lightning has done this.
You should use GameTime. Yeah.
Because they can't stop you from anything. Yes.
Game time app. Yeah, but the Lightning do this.

It's fucking lame.

Right. I don't get it.

My cool throne.

Q&A's.

It happened last night.

LeBron.

Yep.

Excuse me.

LeBrun.

LeBrun.

LeBrun James.

LeGon.

Me, Billy, and PFT all asked some questions.

I did too.

Sorry, I was looking at this thread.

You did too.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I asked him multiple.

Yeah.

I asked him about his dick.

I asked him about cutting out Kevin Love of all the pictures.

Yeah.

What did you guys ask him?

I'll see at this thread. You did too.
Oh, yeah. I asked him multiple.
I asked him about his dick. I asked him about cutting out Kevin Love of all the pictures.
What did you guys ask him? I asked him, hey, LeBron, have you ever considered going on any sports podcast? Part of my take would love to have you. Thank you, Jake.
How did you ask him, PFT? I asked him if the sun is hot, how come outer space is cold? Billy asked. Hey, ever heard of Jack and Klaus? I asked him if he could beat Shaq in a fight.
LeBron James.

How could he beat Shaq in a fight?

LeBron James.

I don't want to take all the credit for making him do this Q&A,

but I think we all know he had no plans on doing it

until I started replying to him, being like,

hey, LeBron James promised us a Q&A on May 4th.

He still has not fulfilled that promise.

Also, he should have quote-tweeted all of his answers.

He didn't get as much traction if he was replying.

You have to go to his tweets and replies just to see what he's saying.

He did throw AD right under the bus.

Oh, he did?

Yeah, they're like, if you could pick any of your teammates for a two-on-two,

who would it be?

And he said Kyrie, KD, or Kobe.

Wait.

Oh, he could pick any teammates that he has?

Any teammates he's ever played with.

He didn't play with KD. Oh, USA? USA basketball? LeBron.
Jesus. Meanwhile, you have your Batman and Robin currently.
Yeah, it's also like Kyrie's never going to love you, bro. It's over.
Kyrie was talking about him on Twitch. Kyrie plays Grand Theft Auto.
That's hilarious. That's very funny.
With that's with no face cam i love that just does like commentary he was talking about uh the haters which is kind of funny and he's talking about lebron he's like we're not you know it's not all it's kind of love low-key love low-key love i i noticed that lebron replied to like three different people who asked him what his favorite movie was yeah lebron loves telling people that he's seen The Godfather. Still hasn't read it, but he's seen it.

Someone asked that.

It was very funny.

They're like, have you finished reading these books?

He never responded with like four pictures.

Oh, he's still doing it.

He answered two hours ago.

Oh, he did?

Well, no, he tried to jump into KD's Q&A.

He got involved in another man's Q&A.

Oh, that's what it was.

He was just talking to KD.

KD wasn't even doing a Q&A.

KD was doing a thing called using Twitter. Yeah, it was Tuesday for KD.
He was online. Right.
And then LeBron was like, oh, he's doing a Q&A too. I guess he's baby Bron following my footsteps.
Yeah. Big bro taught him how to use Twitter.com.
Yeah. And then he asked KD a question, and KD just didn't respond to it.
Love it. Also, he definitely ignored us because we have blue check marks and we don't have to go to the top.
I mean, there was a 0.0.0% chance. Right.
But he saw it. It's crazy.
Respond when I asked him, hey, remember that time you accidentally showed the whole world your dick? He's not answering that. No, but he should.
Billy was his cameraman. I have a confession.
Oh, no. I almost pronounced it Jack Nicklaus.
Like Santa Claus. So you thought you...
Because that's how it's spelt. Wait, so you thought...
So when you read the news, you had no idea who Jack Nicklaus was. No, I did, but I've always read his name.
There's no way that you knew who he was. No, because I always watch golf on mute like with my family.
So when you see Jack Nick, like that's it's Nick. It's Nick Claus on there.
I just see the writing. So you've known Jack Nicklaus your whole life.
I know. I know.
Jack Nicklaus has never heard it. Considered that his name was Nicklaus.
No, but like when you watch golf and you've never said it out loud because someone would have like dropped to the ground. I've never said it out loud because it's just like he's a dude who's like better than Tiger.
This is the best part. If you go to Billy's brain earlier today, he pulled this article up.
And I'm just going to do a little quick Monday reading on a Wednesday. Jack Nicklaus says Saudi Arabian organizers offered him more than $100 million dollars to be face of live golf invitational series tulsa oklahoma if the saudi arabian organizers of the live golf invitational series had their way jack niklaus not greg norman would have been the face of the new breakaway circuit in a story published on the fire pit collective website on monday niklaus said he twice turned down offers to lead the Saudi Arabians' efforts

to start a new golf league that hopes to challenge a PGA Tour.

I was offered something in excess of $100 million

by the Saudis to do the job,

probably similar to the one that Greg is doing,

Niklaus said.

I turned it down, so this is all your brain.

That was exactly my brain.

Yeah, Niklaus, 82, was among the players who split from that.

I love it.

Like, I used to have an MC at the end of my last name. Like, we dropped that.
Like, just make it Nicholas, bro. Wait, your name ended in MC? No, it started with MC.
Oh, okay. Oh, okay.
Yeah, but his name is Jack Nicklaus. McFootball.
Billy McFootball. Yeah, exactly.
And then they dropped it at Ellis Island. Yeah.
They're like, you're just going by football. Okay.
Well, let's get to John Sally. That was electric.
You would immediately be fired if you went on the air in like a real sports media job. And you said that, right? Crazy.
Yeah. Wild.
Because like you said, in the pronunciation guide, they only do the ones that are somewhat questionable. They wouldn't even consider doing that.
No, they would be like, you'd go and look up the pronunciation and be like, hey, idiot, he's got the most majors. It's not spelt like Nicholas.
I will defend Villa here. Sometimes there's basic changes like Kansas is Christian Brown.
It's Brown. Brown.
Right. Or reverse, yeah.
But that's a college player that not the whole world knows. This is one of the greatest golfers of all time.
Yeah, me if you want to go by majors.

The Golden Bear.

I also like to just imagine the situation at the football household where they're all sitting around on Sunday afternoons.

It's Father's Day watching the U.S. Open,

and then they're just in silence looking at the TV

while Jack Nicklaus is named.

Billy, you know, like, who's this dude?

The golfer who has the iced tea lemonade drink.

Yeah, Arnold Palmer.

There we go.

Yeah, I know Arnold Palmer because that's a name that's spelt like how it's said.

What about Tony Fineu?

Yeah, no, I'm not doing that one.

All right, let's get to John Sally.

He's not like he's the Jordanordan of football tiger woods electric electric billy uh okay before we get to john sally quick word for one of our sponsors yeah before we get to john sally i want to talk to you about our great friends at better help life can be overwhelming many people get burned out without even knowing it symptoms canptoms can include lack of motivation, feeling helpless or trapped, detachment, fatigue, and more. If you've ever felt burnout, I know what you're going through.
You can battle it. There's ways to get around it.
There's ways to deal with it. There's ways to handle it in a constructive, healthy manner.
And a good way to do that is by talking to somebody. And BetterHelp provides you an outlet to talk to somebody who will listen and give you tools to help you feel better.
Just a fact, they will give you something. They will give you either something to work on, different things that you can do, focus on, that maybe medication is right for you, but they can help with burnout.
With burnout at work, it can affect your day-to-day life. It can lead you to feeling more anxiety, even in your off hours when you're not on the clock.
So you need to talk with somebody and they can help figure out what's causing stress in your life. BetterHelp is online therapy that offers video, phone, and even live chat sessions with your therapist.
So you don't have to see anyone on camera if you don't want to. It's much more affordable than in-person therapy and you can be matched with a therapist in under 48 hours.
Give it a try. See why over 2 million people have used BetterHelp online therapy.
This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp, and our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com slash PMT. That's B-E-T-T-E-R-H-E-L-P.
com slash PMT. Now here is John Sally.
Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, four-time NBA champion, a million different TV shows, movies, books. I think he invented the sports podcast too.
I did. The sports podcast and Snickerella.
I invented the sports podcast with Spider and the Henchmen in 2011. I didn't even say your name by the way.
It's John Sally. John Sally.
The sexy one. Yes.
Did I ever know that it was going to turn into everybody having a podcast and I let mine go. Thank you.
Is that why you came here? To shake us down? I did when I knew that people were making money. I feel like Little Richard.
I invented it. I appreciate you.
We're Pat Boone and we're saying a wop babaloo bop, a wop bamboon. Oh my god, that's hilarious.
So thank you. Thank you.
Yeah, I got a new movie, Sneakerella, on Disney Plus coming out May 13th. Streaming only on Disney Plus.
Dope movie. What age group is appropriate for it? I have two kids.
All. That was the best thing.
Three and one. I don't know if they're going to get it.
They're going to so get it, and they're going to be moving to it. Because, you know, are your children interracial? No.
No? Oh, then they're going to have rhythm right after this. Okay.
I don't know. They listen to Paw Patrol.
They watch Paw Patrol, so they got. Do they really? Yeah.
Oh, yeah. It's because it's hooked on phonics, teaching you how to sing and dance.
Okay. Okay.
But this is a spin of the classic Cinderella, but it's made right here in New York. And I'm from Queens.
I'm the king. My daughter is a princess.
And this kid, Al, from Queens is trying to be a designer and get to my daughter.

So instead of a glass zipper, it's a sneaker.

And everybody's designing their sneaker trying to get it to be on my sneaker company.

I love it.

So what's your favorite sneaker?

My favorite sneaker is usually one I don't have to pay for.

But I was trying to do a deal with this company.

I'm not going to say the name because the guy didn't have any vision, obviously.

This vegan sneaker, which I'm vegan, and I didn't want any animal product on it,

and it had to look cool and be cool.

But right now I'm a Nike guy.

Okay.

I'm a Nike guy all day. Yeah, we got a lot of vegan questions for you.

I don't know if you want to do that now.

Oh, I can do whatever you want. I couldn't wait to get here.
He's disgusted with you. Oh, my God.
He has no idea. Yeah.
Well, were you vegan when you were playing? Yeah. Yeah.
Why do you think I'm this sexy? Yeah, yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because maybe this is big meat that's been feeding me propaganda for years and years, but I've always been under the impression that if you eat a vegan diet, you don't get enough protein to maintain muscle mass to be able to compete in physical. Well, you're a basketball player.
It's a contact sport, not a collision sport, right? Well, I was talking to this 800-pound gorilla who's a raw foodist, and I said, do you buy that? And then I was talking to an ox, and I said, oh, my God. I said, oh, my God, you're an ox.
Most people want to be as strong as the ox, and they forget the ox eats grass. So the largest mammals and the strongest mammals on the planet don't eat animal flesh.
Blue whales. No, they don't eat animal flesh.
John just looked at Billy. Blue whales do not eat animal flesh.
Don't they eat, what's krill? Krill, it's mostly. They're pescatarian.
Yeah, it's mostly microorganism. And then those people who eat roaches and, I'm sorry, shrimp and lobster, because that's what they are, roaches of the sea, I don't see how that can give you protein.
What it really does is dehydrate your body and causes back pains and back spasms and acne and bad-smelling bodies. So, all right, we're going to let Billy go toe-to-toe with you for a second, but are you saying that your vegan diet has helped your body feel young? Because I did see the Dirk interview last week where he's like, I wish I didn't play the last two years because I can't walk right now.
Right. And so you're saying you don't have any of those pains from playing such a long NBA career? I tore my meniscus doing a burpee at 49 years old.
Like, I literally work on and I tell people what it would do to your body when you add acid to your body, right? Your body supposed to be as alkaline as possible. I even convince people.
I'm sitting here with Madison who does PR for Disney Plus, an all Disney

channel, and she just came from a

vegan restaurant with me, Urban Vegan

Kitchen, 41 Carmine

just for you people in New York.

And she can't believe the taste

of it. And the deal is, I don't think

that you should make your body a coffin

and feeling it's going to

be whatever. When something dies, you're

supposed to bury it or burn it, right?

Not eat it. But you're never

full, right? I'm always full. Be honest.
I am so full, and I was just telling him that at the restaurant. But you'd rather have a cheeseburger.
You can. It just doesn't have to be a deadline.
I've eaten vegan food before. I've been to a raw food restaurant, and I've ordered what I thought was a lot of food, and then I leave, and I'm super's what's frustrating you at a chinese restaurant it's like eating sushi no no i know what you're saying i i will get full i will eat enough general sauce chicken no matter how much msg they put dude msg is delicious is there msg in vegan food if you want to put it in remember that's a chemical you don't need yeah but it's system that's the difference between me and you it tastes real good but it really doesn't because if you didn't have msg in it you wouldn't know the difference the deal is we're so used to in the western diet being forced something and told that this is a balanced meal when they knew it wasn't the guy who designed the food pyramid is named dr t colin cohen um i think i got it click.
I do know that it's bullshit. I know him very much.
Yeah, it's not real. It says that you should eat like nothing but carbs all day.
Yeah, and cheese. Refined starches.
And red meat. Everything that they wanted.
T. Colin Campbell.
Sorry. And he was in charge.
He was like, literally said this was a falsehood. I don't even, if I can, I don't eat any oils.
I don't ingest any oils. If I, because when you have olive oil, olive oil is 100% fat.
And so I don't need to put that on top of the salad. And if your body is 70% water, we know water and oil don't mix.
So I make sure that I, one, make sense. And two, when she just had a tasty meal, that was a big thing.
I used to not walk down Sixth Avenue. She's got this look on her face though.
I've seen people have this look on their face where it's like my vegan friend took me this, but, and he told me I was going to love it. Didn't you love it? Tell him how much you love it.
I did. It was good.
I literally, I literally, she got a hamburger helper, uh, slash vegan. And she kept eating it.
Okay. So, all right, Billy, you think about what you want to talk about.
We'll come back to this at the end. Bill, I'm a health coach certified.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Been doing it since 1991 before you were born.
I want to give Billy his best chance because right now you've got to come up with your best argument. We'll do it at the end.
Let's talk a little basketball. Yeah.
Give me your – you're the king of bad takes give me your worst take right now going a worst take was last night game or any game any series any we're probably gonna air this next week but like what give me anything any take current nba you're again you're you're famously you mean my betting take no well you're famously saying that michael jordan's not do that just to piss people off. Yeah, right, right.
So give us one that pisses people off and we get headlines. Oh, okay.
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I did.
I did that with Cal Heard. Yeah.
Yeah, and then he was afraid. He was looking at me like this.
I said, dude, I smoke weed. I forgot after I left what I said to you.
This is the deal. The reason I say Michael Jordan is not the greatest of all time is the same reason Michael says he's not the greatest of all time because he didn't get to play against the other greats of all time.
So no one can be the greatest of all time. You can.
You can be the greatest of that decade. Yeah.
So in the 90s, from 1991 to 1998, well, from really 1988 to 1998, Michael Jordan was the best. Yeah.
Period. Right? But then before that, it was Magic and Bird.
Right. And before that, it was Dr.
J. And then after Michael was Allen Iverson and Kobe.
So Kobe from 2000 to 2010, nobody better than Kobe except Allen Iverson inside. I feel like you got a big man bias.
You missed Shaq. You missed Kareem.
You missed Tim Duncan. I said better than Kobe.
Yeah, right. So those guys are better than Kobe? I feel like Shaq, you could say Shaq was more dominant than Kobe Bryant.
Shaq was the best big man I've ever seen or played against, period. Elijah Wan is the best power forward center.
Kevin McHale used to give me the business. I can go down the line.
But when we talk about what impact of the game, you know you're going to talk about Kobe winning five championships in ten years. And then you got LeBron all the way to 220 from 10 to 20.
Now the next 10, we'll see who's going to be the best. Who do you think it is? It might be Giannis.
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I might say that.
Do you think – I saw a take – maybe last week Kevin Durant was like, it's just becoming lame that everything has to be put into legacy talk. Yeah.
Do you agree with that? I agree with that 100%. People just need to watch the game.
I think Kevin Durant is the best player playing today. He's my favorite player if I was watching.
Probably mine too, yeah. But he's right.
Everything has to be the GOAT of this or the GOAT of that. You can't be the GOAT of everything.
It can't be, for those who don't understand the acronym, the greatest of all time. See, I do that just to help some people.
That's literally most of what we talk about. If you don't know what to talk about on a sports show, you know this.
It's just like figure out a debate, who's the GOAT? And then boom, two hours of airtime. It's really hard to do.
Because I did a show with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson the other day, other than The Smoke, and we talked about Hour 75 and people who were left out. Adrian Danley, Bernard King uh i think they were in top 50 that because i kept telling these guys i'm sure they were in the top 50 players right um when they leave them out you have to realize why they were left out is for the marketing of the league if you want to market your league a certain way as soon as you say a name kids now get on and they look it up.
They want to make sure it leads them right back to being in love with the NBA. So I always say that.
So when I say Michael Jordan is not the greatest of all time, he is the greatest of our era, the era that I played in. He became bigger than Magic, bigger than Larry, bigger than Dr.
J. and the NBA started in 1984 with David Stern.

David Stern was the marketing tool that turned the NBA into what it is today, and it was David Stern and Michael Jordan. Moses and Jesus, and that's how they did it.
Which one's which? David Stern, I called him the Don, because he was definitely a mafioso running it, and he hated it. I called him that.
But he had to respect. He had to kick some butt to get it going.
I've wondered that about David Stern because he always seems so soft-spoken in any media that he does. But you can't run the business the way that he ran the business and just be like a normal robot face.
Roger Goodell is kind of way with the nfl where he's really good at talking and just making people's eyes glaze over like they don't they don't want to listen to what he's saying because he's kind of bland but i always got the sense that david stern had it had a switch that flipped when he wasn't in front of a camera and he was like he was like a bulldog like he had to get a mean streak to he was tough he was tough because i was a player player rep i love david david dav David always gave me a lot of love. And Adam Silver is my man, 50 grand.
The perfect person to hand the NBA over to was Adam Silver. He's a thinker.
He pushes it through. And I think Commissioner Goodell is, I'm not going to say you glaze over.
Look how much he has to deal with. He has to deal with, like, really, this may be a baseball, it used to be a baseball country, but football rules our country.
It just does, and people can't deny it. I guess the difference that I always see between Goodell and Stern is, like, Goodell, his job is to be the punching bag for all the other owners and he he essentially answers to all them they're calling the shots David Stern always struck me as a guy that he had like the drive and initiative and the vision and he was like implementing his agenda onto the owners as opposed to the other way around is that is that kind of the perception that you had he if they put him in charges let me drive this bus.
And that was the deal. He was helping the owners who were running into bad contracts, the NBA almost failing, buying the ABA, trying to put that together.
They thought the lead was going in the wrong direction. We weren't big on television.
It came 11 o'clock, 2 o'clock in the morning. We didn't have a good TV deal.
CBS wound up losing it to NBC, which made it more glitzy. And then it came over to ABC and ESPN and TNT.
And now it's what we see. I can say it.
I was on Fox. I love being on the best damn sports show, period.
It was probably the best TV I've ever done in the best time. But ESPN became the authority on sports until there was Boston.
And then after that, now you got everybody realizing, I can do what this guy's doing or do what's close to this. But at that one time, you would turn on ESPN, and that would be the answer.
It was almost like. It would be like, all right, here's the narrative that's being set.
That was a very diplomatic way of being like, you guys are a bunch of assholes and you made every other asshole out there be like, oh, I can do this. And it's not far off.
No, you're right. I'm 100% right.
But you guys are really good at it. I appreciate that.
Really? I don't want to do the legacy talk, but I do have one that always confuses me. Why does Isaiah get kind of lost in the shuffle of some of the best of all time point guard? Doesn't it feel like that sometimes? Yeah, they hate him because he's short.
Yeah, I mean, the conversation always is like, here are the best point guards. And Isaiah gets mentioned, but he always gets mentioned fourth or fifth.
Because they get in the way. They let everything else, the propaganda that the Chicago Bulls put on Isaiah Thomas, that was propaganda.
They let everything else get in the way of his greatness. And I tell people, I say, the greatest player I've ever played with is Isaiah Thomas.
And I have played with Michael. I have played with Kobe and Shaq.
But the greatest player was Isaiah Thomas. That's your bad take of the day.
There you go. He's six foot and he did everything everybody else was doing.
And in the same amount of time that Steph Curry was playing, Isaiah had better stats. But no one wants to mention it.
But Steph Curry was like a much, much, much better shooter. Like the greatest ever shoot a basketball.
Right. Correct.
Not really. Well, yes.
Actually, really. I think he is.
I actually went to the game where he broke the record for most three-pointers. Right, but his dad was a hell of a shooter.
Right. But he actually, I think by every metric.
Reggie Miller was a hell of a shooter. And Steph Curry was better.
Dale Ellis was a hell of a shooter. Steph Curry's better.
Yeah. Ryan Burbs was a hell of a shooter.
Can I look up. He has the best three points.
And how many more shots he's taken. Percentage-wise for that many shots, I like what you're doing because it's kind of like the opposite.
Making you research? No, yeah, you're making me think too hard. I got it.
I got it. But it's the opposite of what's normally said, which is like back in the day, like the NBA was more violent.

It was a man's game down low.

You're saying that actually the shooting,

I've never heard that argument that the shooting was better back in like the late 80s, early 90s.

I'm telling you, Dale's father graduated when I, Dale's father,

I mean Steph's father, Dale Curry, was an unbelievable shooter in West Virginia. Where was he at? Was he at Virginia Tech? Yes, Virginia Tech.
Unbelievable. And I went to Georgia Tech, a school that really concentrates on studies, unlike the rest of the Tech schools.
And I thought his father was one of the smoothest shots in the world. But then we had Chuck Person and we had Dale Ellis

and we had

who else did we have that was a great shooter

at that time? Steve Kerr.

Steve Kerr statistically

percentage wise is actually the best of all time.

I didn't hear you. Say it again because you said

something before that. No percentage wise but

Steph Curry's made and attempted like

4x what Steve

Kerr shot. More shots.

When you play with Michael Jordan do you

if he didn't play with Michael Jordan he would have gotten more

Thank you. Steph Curry's made and attempted like 4X what Steve Kerr shot.
More shots. When you play with Michael Jordan, if he didn't play with Michael Jordan, he would have gotten more shots.
The offense was set up for him to shoot. Listen, I'm a huge Steph Curry fan.
Doesn't sound like it. Doesn't sound like it.
What would Steph say about you? Oh, Steph loves me. But he's not because he was our ball boy and I know his daddy.
But you're not going to literally cancel the rest, and he won't let you do it either. I actually am looking at the list right now.
I'm actually okay with saying Kyle Korver because Kyle Korver does have a higher percentage than Steph, and he's made a lot of threes. So, yeah, I'm cool with that.
Kyle Korver, best three-point shooter of all time. So you guys did cheat in college, I can tell, because you're only looking at the cliff notes.
Yeah. That's not cheating.
This is called being efficient. Yeah, it's more being efficient.
Yeah, you paid all that college just to drink beer and be efficient. I got the piece of paper.
That's all that matters when you graduate. Yeah, I gave it to my mother.
I've got other passions and interests when I was in college. You're just really good at whenever you say a definitive statement, you're like, that's just not true.
Yeah, it's not.

And being able to move off it.

It's nice.

Well, the deal is because when you check, because I remember I was there,

and that's what I just said on this other show.

What other people think of you is none of your business.

That's the first thing.

What they say about you, if it's not true, you shouldn't give it any cretins.

But when you're a person who I've been in this business and I looked and I said man that that's not true you're trying to push us in this direction and i remember i was on on the sb one time and i said michael jordan was the greatest of all time and you would have thought i said um uh something crazy like yo ben laden just knocked on my door yesterday he ain't dead you know something something out of out of this world. He's tall.
And I said, man, this dude with a beard, he kept saying, let me in. And I realized that they have a target, and they have to deal with that target.
They have to say it because they all push it the same way. And I'm not like that.
I'm just not. And I say it, and I say this all the time.
I tell MJ, I say, every time they say it, I'm going to say this. the time I tell MJ every time they say it I'm going to say this and you're going to say how you're crazy they're going to kill you I said I know but you know what I like messing with you and I like messing with them he'll laugh about it all day you're like yeah I mean we they do take it very seriously sometimes like it's church it's like scripture and they don't even play so we we we like to mock greenie can ball we like to mock these debates but we also understand that like if you're sitting at a bar and you're just having a debate like saying who's the greatest of all time that's just how people will talk to each other i know it's stupid it doesn't mean anything it's silly but it's also how we converse a kid told me, he said, you know what? Kobe Bryant is the greatest player I've ever seen in my life.
I said, how old are you? He said, 16. He said, I agree.
Because in 16 years, you've been watching and paying attention since you were nine. So in five years.
So Kobe's better than LeBron in your mind. In that time, from 2000 to 2010, in that kid, you can't tell him anything different.
Yeah, so who's the best of all time? If you were to set it up so if you had a one-on-one tournament. Yeah.
When you're allowed to hand check and all that kind of stuff. I put Magic.
Magic would be pretty tough. Magic and Larry Bird.
Because of his height. He's big, yeah.
Kevin Durant would be pretty tough with his height. I mean, LeBron would probably, in terms of the whole package, one-on-one, it would be tough to beat LeBron.
Or Kevin Durant. Yeah.
But if you give the ball to Magic first, you're going to lose. How about this, though? Counter-argument.
Kobe simply would not allow himself to lose. Yeah, Kobe was no joke.
It was funny, too, man, because you would look at somebody that can totally take over the game and put it on my back like Joel is going to do with Philly pretty soon. He's going to realize, hey, all I got to do is put the ball in the basket every time they give it to me.
Right. Yeah.
It's easy. Once you think that way, it'd be like Lawrence Taylor.
Lawrence Taylor used to say, oh, you're the quarterback? And he would run and something would be in his way and we'd move it out of the way and then grab the quarterback. It's a simple game.
That's exactly how you have to look at it. You got to look at it that way too.
So I alluded to it at the beginning, but you've had a million different jobs, fun jobs, crazy jobs, TV, sports, obviously playing sports. I'm semi-Jamaican.
Semi-Jamaican. What's your favorite job that you've ever had? Best damn sports show period.
So that's better than playing in the NBA? Yeah. The NBA, it's so funny because I wouldn't look at it as a job.
Right. And soon as it started feeling like a job, it was wrong for me.
So I used to love going to practice. I love running into practice because I got paid to practice.
Right. And I didn't look at it as a job.
I looked at it at... Because there's another thing, man.
When you get into the playoffs in April, these guys are not getting paid. Every bit of money they're playing for now, their contract stopped and they're playing for bonus money, which the last guy on the bench is going to get the same amount.
So this is mano-a-mano playing, and this is the best time of the year because you're not saying

man they gave you this much money

you should be. Money does not make you

superhuman. You know it makes you super

sexy but it doesn't make you superhuman.

That's a great quote. Right? So

I like when you get to the point

where there is no money. You're not getting that

big contract. The sun is out.

It's hot outside and

it's just I don't have to literally

play you tonight and then play another

team the next night and then two nights.

I don't have to literally play you tonight and then play another team the next night and then two nights. I only got you to worry about.
That's why I felt I played better and we played better because we're really good at focusing. On the Best Damn Sports Show, who was your best friend on the set? I'm my best friend.
It's really hard. I should really hard i should have known that yeah that's a dumb question yeah man i i uh the reason i say that is because i've been in hollywood and i've been an athlete my whole life and they can trade a guy you can get you can quit on a high school team and then you got to all try out to audition so you got to destroy the guy in front of you.
So when you're in your work situation, it's not really friendship. Like you guys are constituents and you work together.
You've got a good chemistry. Let's not mess it up.
Let's keep it going. But you don't hang out in this house on the weekend.
Yeah, but I would consider Big Cat to be my friend. Yeah.
Really? Yeah, I think we're pretty close friends, everybody in this room. Now, it is true.
We're family. It is true.
Yeah, we're closer than friends. That's probably why Best sports show stopped yeah after nine years you guys were family doing this for six yeah when you get nine years talk to me but i feel like uh it is it is fair though like when you work around somebody all the time we don't hang out on the weekends we go we've got our separate things that we go home and we do yeah and see the people that we don't see when we're here at the office but like was there one person that you had the best chemistry while you were working with? Michael Irvin.
Okay. Michael Irvin is by far one of the great, and then Michael Strahan is probably my favorite person I've worked with.
So shots fired at Regis. You hated Regis.
I never was with Regis. Oh, you weren't? No.
You wasn't on that show? Other iteration. Oh, the second.
When you were watching that, were you like, back in my day, when Best Damn Sports Show was a more physical league, when I dominated, these guys couldn't hang back then. Exactly.
And when they went to, the best thing was Carissa Thompson. I love Carissa Thompson.
She's the best. She's a psycho, but I love her.
See, that's what I'm saying. I just saw my man, one of my boys, and I said that.
I said, baby girl got married, and she didn't. But she's such a dude, but a pretty girl.
I loved it, and she knows what I mean by that. She's definitely a person you can roll with.
We're going to get back to John Selling in a second, but before we do, he's brought to you by Game Time. That's right.
Game Time is the exclusive ticketing partner of Barstool Sports. If you're looking to go to an Eastern Conference Finals game, Western Conference Finals game, you name it.
It could be any sporting event. It could be concerts.
It could be any event that you can think of. Game Time is the way to get you through the door.
The NFL schedule just came out. You can get your tickets on Game Time.
Use promo code PMT. We get all our tickets with the Game Time app.
We went to the Nets Celtics game. You've seen everybody at Barstool at all these other games around recently.
I know a bunch of guys went to the Rangers game, got into the garden in the Mecca using the GameTime app. It's super, super easy to use.
For last minute tickets, you're going to find the best deals. You're going to find the best seats, best prices, only at game time.
Download the app today. Go to the account tab to create a login and redeem code PMT for $20 off your first purchase.
Some terms apply. Download game time.
Last minute tickets. Lowest price guaranteed.
Now more John Sally. Who was your favorite teammate in the NBA? Because you played for some famous teams.
You played for the 96 Bulls. You played for the Bad Boy Pistons.
You played with Kobe and Shaq and the Lakers. Four rings.
Three different teams. Nobody talks about you like they talk about Robert Ori.
I feel like they should. Yeah, I know.
In three decades, two millenniums. Let me...
No one ever brings it up. Two millenniums.
That's great. Two millenniums.
Yeah, let's work on this. I'm going to name a couple of guys.
Okay. I'd love to hear why they are.
Glenn Rice. Okay.
Because he's Glenn Rice and he's just one of the greatest people I've been around. Brian Shaw.
Okay. Keith Askins.
Okay. Chuck Nevitt, who was 7'5".
Chuck Nevitt literally taught me comedy, timing. Rick Mahorn, James Edwards, Johnny Long.
And then what other team was I on? Toronto, man, Big O. Murray, Tracy Murray Who is Okay So that's a good list of teammates Judge Bushler Randy Brown Steve Kerr I love those guys I wish I could have stayed in Chicago.
I loved the makeup of that squad. It was dope.
Yeah, so we obviously watched, you know, everyone talks about Michael Jordan as a teammate. Do you? Oh, I love Michael as a teammate.
Yeah, I feel like he, judging it now, looking back at it, you can be like, whoa, he was such a dick, but it felt like from everyone in the locker room, you could tell me I'm way off.

Probably.

Well, they respected the fact that he was that competitive and everyone wanted to be better because of the standard he set.

Well, let me put it to you this way.

I didn't realize until last dance that we were so in his head.

If we would have known that, they would have never been champions. If we would have known how – Oh, you mean the Pistons you're talking about? Yeah.
If we would have known how much – Well, you guys basically played football and a basketball. No, no.
That was the Celtics. The Celtics were – and I got video to prove it.
The Celtics were this team that would knock you out of the air. Look at the finals with the Lakers.
They put it on TV. The Celtics were dirty, and they would get a whole bunch of goons on the side.
You thought it was a hockey team from Boston, right? You thought you were playing the Brewers or the Celtics, and that was the way the game was played. Everyone would call us bad boys because we didn't put up with any sugar, honey, iced tea.
And I just sit and I think about mj and if i knew it and i was as competitive all of us as competitive as mj the entire piston team so he was like i'm doing this all by myself and i got no help you didn't have any help because we punked everybody else and when guys wanted to stand up i got a video when they wanted to hit us back and do things and stand back we were laughing we were like oh you guys are trying to to be you know they would hit and they would stand there you ever see an nba fight put your hands down put your chin forward i was dumb ass so i i i would laugh when they did that and that and i'm telling you if we knew that we had mj's number way, we would have really put it on them because it would have never happened.

Y'all would have never seen the Bulls be what they've become.

And by that time, you know, we were like not the team we were.

We got to the Eastern Conference Finals, but we didn't have what we had.

How hard is it to repeat? Because that's

harder. That feels like

when was the last time we had a repeat?

Oh I guess the Warriors?

Oh the Warriors yeah so that happens a lot

but I always think that

toll it takes

year after year is playing that

deep into the season

it's got to be a point where you're like

I'm just tired. Yeah well this is the other problem.
Winning the championship is very hard. Trust me.
But when you win the championship, the next year you're the one everyone is gunning at. There are no soft games.
Right. Everybody is like, oh, we about to play the champs.
I'm going to get my all. I'm going to get – matter of fact, I'm hurt.
I kind of got a knee pain on Tuesday, but on Thursday they're jumping 80 inches out of the gym. You know what I'm saying? All of a sudden you were hurt two days ago.
Probably more games on TV too, so guys get more amped up for that. Yeah, they get more amped to get at us.
In Boston, I remember one time somebody was ringing the fire alarm every half an hour so we couldn't take that. Wow, at the hotel? Yeah.
I yeah hank probably broke in our producer um you mentioned glenn rice you probably haven't been asked this question but when i hear glenn rice's name i always think back to the rumor that came out like seven eight years ago sarah palin when she was a sports reporter i don't know what i'm talking about you don't know what i'm silent. Anything I say, Kenna will be used against me in a court of court.
Because Glenn allegedly confirmed it to the reporter, but he never said anything publicly. Did he ever mention that to you? Like him and her used to be a, they had a thing? Crickets.
Crickets. No, he never mentioned anything to me about, I met Sarah Palin at a really big time party in Malibu, and said she turned around she said Spider Sally and I said Sarah Palin she was like hey how you doing and I looked at her I said boy you got big time because she used to live in Portland and you know she was big time I met her back then so I love what Sarah Palin had turned into well some of the things she says i didn't but i love that she went from this point to this point to this point i like to see people build themselves into something better but glenn never never once mentioned it to you no glenn was married the whole all the times i was around glenn and he used to make me because he was so and i was just getting married he was so into he said man i don I don't want to go to nightclubs, man, and be with all these guys, I'm not into it.
So we would go to the movies, and I love movies. So we would go see a different movie, and then I would take him to see some independent movie.
Sal, don't take me to see nothing like that again, man, I don't even understand. And then there was words going under the bottom, you know, that kind of thing.
But I loved going to movies. So we would find different movies we would go to.

We would eat and go to the 9 o'clock show, which would finish at 11.15.

We're not going to go to sleep at 2 o'clock anyway.

So what about the Bad Boy Pistons?

Who was, like in your opinion, the leader of the Bad Boys or like the baddest boy?

Was Rick Mahorn, was the baddest and still is the baddest of the Bad Boys.

And then Bill Ambeer is – Bill Ambeer, let me tell you,

I don't know. boy? Was Rick Mahorn was the baddest and still is the baddest of the bad boys and then Bill Ambeer is Bill Ambeer let me tell you I tell you Lamb would put all you can boo him you can do all of that stuff and throw it at him give it to me and it was like fuel it was fuel he the smartest player one of the smartest players I've ever been with was Bill Ambeer Really thought it through.
Isaiah Overthink. Is that a word? Think.
Yeah. Yeah.
But he was so particular. I remember one time he was like, we should win about 64 games this season with this team.
I was like, what are you talking about? And he had looked at the whole schedule. He goes, well, you guys don't act right when we go to L.A.,'m going to take LA.
And he wouldn't hang out, but he knew our faults, and he knew our strengths. What's the sneaky not act right city? Because everyone obviously picks LA and Miami.
Atlanta. Atlanta, okay.
So that's the one to look out, because we're gamblers. Atlanta, Houston.
Okay. Dallas.
Okay. Utah.
Utah. Why? Some of the prettiest women on the planet on Utah, and they trying to get out.
Safety. Safety.
What about New York? You're a New York guy. I'm a New York guy, but it was, you know, back in the day we had the shop, but there's nowhere to hang out in New York now.
You know what I'm saying? Didn't they rob one of the players a little while ago leaving a strip joint? So he was leaving a strip joint. He got in an Uber, too cheap to have his own car, a driver.
Who says? Now they learn. And they pulled, and they got him, and they shot him in the leg.
I remember that. So there's no place to hang out.
Fuck, who was that? See, the fact that no one remembers it is amazing. D.C.
is also – Philadelphia is a great place to go. But, you know, if you go out with a girl, she might have you set up in one of those crazy streets.
Yeah, so when you come back – like in New York, when you would come back and play here as being from the area but you're playing for a rival team, did the fans, did they respect you in the Garden? Hell no. The Mecca did not respect you.
Literally, I was on a foul line during an exhibition game my first year, and the guy said, Salah, you still a duck! And I started dying. I started laughing.
I backed up, I laughed, I nodded, and I got up and I shot. So I'm not a Knicks fan.
I was a Celtic fan growing up in Brooklyn. So obviously a lot of people didn't like me or what I thought about.
But I had this thing about being a fan of a team that hired the first black coach and won all the time. I didn't like a team that only won two years and everybody acts like 1972, 73 is coming back.
It's not. They're never going to win.
Yeah. What is, if you had to describe New York basketball, though, growing up? Because that's, I mean, you love, Chris Paul did it the other night when he tried to do the God Sham God.
And it was, like, great to see because then everyone was like, oh, fuck, like, that's a style of basketball, that play. God Sham God, a legend.
You know, obviously he didn't have the NBA career, but there's something almost romantic about each city's brand of basketball. Yeah, New York City brand is, I played in every single park, usually, not every single one, mostly, I think every park, in Manhattan, in Queens, in Brooklyn, a lot in the Bronx, but I've never played at the Rucker.
And the reason I never played at the Rucker is I wanted to have my career solidified as a pro. And they kept thinking, why not? Because I remember there's a guy who didn't go to class, who failed out, who literally snorted cocaine, and probably was better than everybody in the NBA playing at the Rucker.
And I didn't need to prove it. I just needed to go to college and get into the pros.
But I've never played at the Rucker. But I also played – I'm from Brooklyn, but I played with the Gauchos.
And I played with Ditmas All-Stars, Ted Gustavs, Vanguard with Gil Reynolds, Barney Davis. I just talked to Barney Davis a few minutes ago.
i play with the right coaches in the right places but in new york basketball is do or die and i went in there with a mentality of this is my life and if you dunk on me you play better than me i lose my life so so who is the guy uh growing up who maybe played at rucker who was just better than everyone who didn't make it to the pros was there one guy who's's like, oh, we talk about this guy, and he's just incredible? Earl Manigot. Yeah, the GOAT.
But let me tell you, there's a guy in New York that in Brooklyn, Fly Williams. That's a great name.
Yeah, Fly Williams going against World B. Free.
I saw that. I went to see that.
I went to see World B. Free, who also was a great Brooklyn player.
My favorite player was Bernard King of all time. It was the only time I was a Knicks fan is watching BK.
Only time. So I was going to follow up on that because I thought you were talking about Earl Manigot, whose story is amazing.
If you haven't read about him, I would suggest they made a movie out of him. Don Cheadle.
Don Cheadle played it. Yeah.
Allegedly one of the greatest basketball players to ever walk the earth. Yeah.
Did you ever see him play against NBA players? No, I haven't. I tell you this, and it was another thing too.
When we would see NBA players, in Brooklyn we'd be like, I'm about to give him the business. Right.
Nobody was like, hey, man, I'm a fan of yours. You don't do that.
You don't. One, I had to tell David Robinson that in college he came up and said man I'm a huge fan of yours and I was playing him the next day and I was like oh thanks and I realized he wasn't looking to kill me he was a fan of mine so I got him in foul trouble and at the end of the game I said never tell anybody how much you like him.
When he got into pros he was trying to tear my head off. That's awesome.
Yeah. That's a great story.
That is. Yeah.
It is. I do great stories for free.
I'm here for free. Yeah, and check out Sneakerella on Disney+.
All right, so I'll go last question. It's been awesome.
We appreciate you coming by. Oh, I love you guys.
Anytime you want to come by, we'd love to have you on. Pardon my take.
Yes. That's funny.
Yes, and you started this whole thing. I sure did.
All of it. Me and the henchmen.
Yes if they tell you, back when Gawker, remember when it was Gawker, and all of a sudden I would do spider stories, and I would have tons of views, which in 2011 I didn't know what the hell they were talking about. I would just do it and leave, realizing I was giving away all this free content.
Yeah, you are the pod father. I am the Little Richard of podcasts.
Yes, you are. All right, so the Roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.
Use code TAKE for 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, hoodies, the best clothes out there, Roback.com.
Okay, Billy, are you ready? You ready, Billy? Not your wits about you. Are you ready to go? I got my prep.
Okay. Go ahead.
Quick question. You made a couple of assertions about large herbivores as the exemplary of diet, large muscle mass, those types of things.

But you kind of discount that a lot of these herbivores have way different digestive systems

and spend most of their day eating vegetation.

For example, the lowland gorilla spends about 90% of its day eating different vegetation.

Which ones?

Leaves. Leaves.
Yeah. vegetation.
Which ones? Leaves.

Leaves.

Yeah.

Right.

And fruit and shoots and any type of vegetation in the jungle.

Right.

In the lowlands.

While trying to have children.

So I know what you were going to go to.

That's the 10%.

Right.

10% of his time is literally.

Yeah.

He's trying farther and continue the race.

Now I know what you're going to talk about, the stomachs, right?

A cow having four stomachs and they having two. Well, we have one and we take bovine fluid, which is not designed for human body.
It's designed for bovine. So when you eat bovine fluid, for you guys that don't know that, called milk, well, cow milk, it doesn't digest.
So not only my black ass, not lactose intolerant, none of us are to deal with lactose. Wait, you say no ice cream? Not cow ice cream.
No, but some, I mean, some people do continue to have lactose in their, the exact enzyme to break down lactose. No, they don't.
Later, yes they do. No, that's called pimples.
Those are called pimples.ples so that big white thing that comes on your forehead that's your body literally trying to rid yourself we've totally digressed from the actual question of consuming reputation I'm going to run Billy through the translator so I think what Billy's getting at is that he's saying that yes certain animals can animals can get big and develop muscle mass, but they spend an amount of their day eating these things that we as humans, we don't have 90% of our day to sit around eating leaves. It's inefficient.
Most of plant matter is made up of cellulose, which is made from cell walls when we are made up of cell membranes. We can't consume those.
Okay, so I got a question. Within cell, right? Within the mitochondria, how do you clean that? Well, if you eat things that are blocking your body, you literally are slowing down the fan and you're slowing down your cell production.
And if we're talking on a cellular level, when you're speaking on a cellular level, you should only eat things, cells that can go in your mouth, give you fuel, and be removed. When you're eating dead carcass, your body now, when it goes into your stomach, recognizes it as flesh, throws an enzyme around it, and says, hey, you're eating yourself or you're eating of yourself when it only recognizes cells.
I forgot to tell you, too. I'm almost a doctor.
But, besides that... You have a Quick question about that.
When it takes to, so you're talking about high cholesterol and a lot of the oils that go in? That comes out of the food that you're eating. We're not supposed to eat the cholesterol.
When you eat eggs, that's 100% cholesterol. And that's bad LDL.
You don't want to eat that. So if you're eating 100% cholesterol in your body, you are now slowing down your blood content.
You're adding so much blockage within your veins and you're causing your heart to beat heart. But doesn't that have more to do with insulin sensitivity, which has to do with muscle mass rather than actual cholesterol levels? No.
So when you're taking these cholesterol, most of your insulin comes from your liver. So if you're blocking your liver, you now put all the problem or all the added onto your pancreas, which doesn't make anywhere close to insulin as your liver does.
So if you don't eat things that block your liver, you now will not become diabetic or have this insulin problem. Now back to keep, no, but seriously to keep your insulin levels.
I mean, your insulin sensitivity, a lot of that is affected by high sugars, seed oils, and a lot of the stuff that you end up consuming as a vegetarian because you try to fill your hunger levels and try to eat stuff that is vegan or vegetarians. And this is a lot of fruit sugars, you know, uh, fructose, sucrose, just because you're searching to get energy from things that will give you energy and end up ruining your insulin sensitivity, lowering your muscle mass, and just all those benefits that you look for through the vegetarian diet.
This is one way of looking at it, but this is the true way of looking at it. Your body does not want fructose.
body wants glute tos with glute tos that is

what is helping the mitochondria of your cell glucose but when you eat a western diet they're forcing sugar which is fructose into your diet when you eat a hamburger all that sugar inside the bread all the sugar inside the ketchup all the sugar inside of uh inside of uh mustard when you eat because your body's designed as an herbivore, to only... I do not believe that humans were originally herbivores.
No? Chimpanzees are probably closest living ancestor. Eat other monkeys.
They eat meat. It is well documented.
I think we are actually omnivorous, and that was what created the extra. Did we descend from chimpanzees? No, we have a common ancestor.
I'm sorry to get all anthropological on you, Billy, but that's just a fake stat. Eating meat is one of the reasons why our brains grew when other animals did it.
Listen, and I'm going to tell you something. If we came from, like remember that guy said, if we're descended from apes, why are there still apes? Because we're not descended from current apes.
We're descended from a common ancestor. Okay, so this is going to get into a deeper thing, and I want people to do the research.
This is not me saying it. This is research, okay? Sneakerella, Disney Plus.
Black people have been on the planet for 16 years, 16,000 years. They say the Caucasian has only been on the planet for 16 years 16 000 years they say the caucasian has only been on the planet for 6 000 years gentrifying right then they came in and took over brooklyn right so if if that is a true statement right i got part of this from dr.
Ben Carson. I'm not saying that, but he knows

and Dr. Clark.
And so when we talk about humans and how the humans are designed, certain people are designed a certain way. Caucasians come from the Caucasus mountains, supposedly.
Now, when I went to Egypt and I studied and I just let you know, I'm just, I'm just going over. So different digestive going to it.
Being you have light hair, light color skin, light eyes, obviously a cave dweller. And it's because you had to come from, you couldn't deal with the sun.
Your hair was elongated. Your nose was elongated because it was cold to air.
Am I correct? This is, yeah. Billyoss! Oh my god.
I've never seen Billy Toss. Hair on your body.
If you see Africans, there's no hair on our body, on our chest. So it's a different situation.
And when you're in cold weather and you have to eat what's available is when they grabbed animals. The first thing they did in Africa, if you did it, they did it in Japan too.
When they would eat a fish, that's why sushi. They would have a whole fish and have small amounts of it.
But when you eat something that, boom, that shuts your body down where you have to go to sleep, it's not just black people got Negro-itis or, you know what I'm saying? White folks eat and get sleepy too. And they rubbed it because your body trying to digest something that is not supposed to be in it.
It's not giving it fuel. It shuts you down, make you go to sleep because the body is cleaning and digesting while you rest.
I mean, this all makes sense to me because every time I eat a big meal, I want to go to sleep. Right.
And you're lazy. You don't want to walk.
Yeah, that's true. Guilty.
Guilty. Let's distill this debate down to something that everyone can understand.
What is the greatest food of all time? Oh. The ones that, the best thing about, we call fast food fruit in the vegan world.
Oh, that was so lame. Have you grabbed it? And you're eating too much fructose.
I got excited for a second. It's not fructose.
It is gluteose. When you're eating fruit.
The definition of fruit. It's a pear.
Fructose is sugar from fruit. Okay, but this is sugar that your body identifies.
The other sugar is literally like a residue of salt, like when you get table salt. That's a residue of sea salt.
If you take sea salt, and I tell people this all the time, I literally would tell you to take a half a teaspoon of Celtic sea salt and put it in your mouth and literally swish it around for five minutes. Then spit that out.
And the reason I tell you that is now you have all the minerals that you need from the salt. And every time you eat, you will not have a taste.
You will not say, hey, this needs salt. It won't happen.
And if you eat the fruit, right, you eat fruit that has the citrus fruit. Certain times you eat a citrus fruit.
I think you should eat bananas every day, especially manna. It's good for your thing.
And I also think that you should eat fruit and vegetables according to seasons that they grow. Because that's how your body is going to move, according to the sun and the moon.
So you're saying banana is the greatest fruit of all time? The greatest fruit of all time is passion fruit to me. I love passion fruit.
But you understand that corn syrup is fructose. Corn syrup is made, is a derivative of what they make in a factory.
Anything made in a factory is factory made, and that's not it. But anything made in nature, organically, not the ones, not the watermelons without seeds, not the GMO situation.
You can eat it. You can't tell me that because I watch Usain Bolt run backwards faster than most people run forward.
He's a fruit-eating gazelle. Is he a vegan? No, he should be because he's Jamaican.
They eat oxtail, and they eat oxtail. But most of the time, they're eating green, and they're eating even rosters, right? Rosters don't eat anything that you can't catch in your hand.
So if a fish, you catch it in your hand, you could eat it. So I don't preach, like when you said talking about cheeseburgers and stuff, I don't think that's healthy.
I think high protein, like high meat diets. What's high protein? You know the keto diet has been proven to cause heart attack right i'm saying he had us on it and we all we all almost had a heart attack yeah yeah no but that depends on your instance everyone in this room has kidney stones because of billy yeah okay so how we get rid of kidney stones this is what i want you guys to do i want you to drink a liter of water spring water a day and i want you to put a teaspoon of bacon soda in it.
And throughout the day, I want you to drink that. I want you to drink a liter of water, spring water a day, and I want you to put a teaspoon

of baking soda in it. And throughout

the day, I want you to drink that. That is going to help

your kidneys, give all the nutrients

you want, and we can hopefully eventually

push the stones through your body

without having to have pain.

Okay.

You got more? My last point.

I feel you're already tapped.

I mean, we started talking about this is like a UFC fighter that's been submitted. They're raising the other guy's hand, and then Billy's finally waking up.
He's like, I want to tap. I want to re-match.
I want to re-match. Yeah, I'm good.
Billy, how old are you? I'm 23. Oh, yeah, I have children.
What sneakers are older than you? But that doesn't mean anything. I'm glad you're at this point, but I want you to look, and I want you to pay attention to literally what you eat should go in, give you energy, and go out.
And when you eat dead carcass, your body is slowly to move that through your body, and it dehydrates you, which makes it even slower to move through your body. How about this? If John Sally- If John Sally- Carcass eater.
Then your teeth would be sharper, and you would eat it raw. If you really, really want to prove that you should eat meat you should never cook it oh yeah yeah well if you what you're going to do is get really sick because you it's decaying caucus so the only way they can get around it is to change the dna by cooking it more than 118 degrees i just think that eating a healthy diet with meat, low carb, without all these processed stuff, seed oils, processed sugars, that's what I'm saying.
I'm saying meat isn't really the devil. It's more the process.
No, the people that kill sentinel beings thinking that I deserve and I'm above them. Nothing deserves a diet.
Let me just say this one thing to you. I'm going to get this to you.

Remember I Am Legend with Will Smith,

great movie,

and I Am Legend 2 is coming out.

I don't want to advertise that movie

because Sneakerella 2.

Yes, watch that.

Sneakerella is coming out May 13th on Disney+.

Make sure you check your listings.

This is the deal on the 13th.

If you had to hunt your food,

you'd be a vegetarian.

Guaranteed, because you would not be able.

One, you wouldn't have a refrigerator.

Two, if you killed the big old something,

you would have to hurry up and get it before the real predators came

and decided that you were going to be a side meal.

And if it got to it, one thing, you can't always go and get a kill.

You're going to have to eat something.

And it was, well well I eat beef jerky

I'm not saying not eat

vegetation right

but pretty soon that was all you'd be able to eat

I'm I'm gonna

say is I'm gonna end this year

one more thing John Sally definitely

has done a lot of research

one more thing

I wasn't gonna get into

like genetic diets yeah don't worry about it

let me give you this

one thing I want you to think of

Thank you. This is all I did.
One more thing. One more thing.
I wasn't going to get into genetic diets.

Yeah, don't worry about it.

Let me give you this one thing I want you to think of.

So at one time, black folks were brought to this country and were enslaved.

They did not give them meat.

And look how strong they were.

There was no meat.

They wasn't giving no slaves no steak. They wasn't giving them no chicken.
You better not kill that chicken. They were eating vegetables, and look how strong they were.
There's no chance Billy's going to have anything to say to that. Yeah, it's happening.
How about this, though? How about if you can accurately predict who the NBA Finals MVP will be right now, Tatum, then Billy has to go vegan for a month and try it. I put it this way.
If you do it my source of vegan, if we can have a conversation, and you don't lie. Right.
Because you'll be lying to yourself. I told Madison, too.
Madison thinks I'm crazy on the stuff I'm trying to push in. But I'm sure if you, because I did it the wrong way too.
I was a junk food vegan. And I was a processed food vegan.
And it's not the way to be. I would give you things that they're not mentioning to you.
Digestive enzymes. Systemic enzymes.
I would make sure you took a certain amount of herbs. You're 23 years old.
I would give you the right amount of herbs, especially ones that clean out your lower intestines. And I guarantee you, your cut of your body after dealing with me and your workout, I guarantee you're going to be like, yeah, and you're not because I'm going to give you a fake cheat day, meaning you get a processed food day, just not a dead animal processed food day.
Okay, so Billy, if it's Jason Tate, I'm NBA Finals MVP. You have to go vegan for a month.
I'll do it with you. His way.
Can I still drink Coors Light? Is Coors Light vegan? Yes. All right, there we go.
Perfect. Or will I get strength gains? Yes.
Yes. You're going to be able to do that.
And you should do more static workout than doing lift. Your body will never push a weight.
So the more static and the more flexibility you get, the stronger you become. Will I be able to bench press more than I can? How much is your bench? He only benches 255.
275. That's a lie.
Oh, I know a girl that can do that. No, look behind you.
275. That's my – That's your handwriting as well.
Wow. I guarantee you – How much do you want? How about I get 30 pounds on top of it? I benched over 300 pounds before But that's what it is now Nobody was there So we don't believe it It was in college We can check my football coach My football coach has a record of it Yeah yeah yeah He also had needles in the back room Alright so then we'll, so then we'll do it.
I'll do it with you, Billy. Jason Tatum, finals MVP.
We'll both go vegan. Yes, and we'll be back on.
I'll be back here in June for NFT New York. Check out johnsallycryptoshow.com, which is coming out hopefully in June.
So I'm just all about crypto. I do kind of what you guys guys do but I only talk about what I know and I won't if I don't know I'll research that I love it everyone check out Sneakerella thank you so much John this has been awesome appreciate it John Sally is brought to you by Shopify they are the all in-in-one commerce platform to start, run, and grow your business.
Shopify gives entrepreneurs the resources once reserved for big business, so upstarts, startups, and established businesses alike can sell everywhere, synchronize online and in-person sales, and effortlessly stay informed.ify offers online retailers a suite of services

including payments marketing shipping and customer engagement tools connect with your customers drive sales manage your day-to-day shopify instantly lets you accept all major payment methods shopify has thousands of integrations and third-party apps from on-demand printing to accounting to advanced chatbots and beyond.

Go to shopify.com slash take, all lowercase, for a free 14-day trial. And get full access to Shopify's entire suite of features.
Grow your business with Shopify today. Go to shopify.com slash take right now.
Okay, we are going to finish up the show with our good friend, Jersey Jerry,

back in studio for a little bring your lunch pail blue collar talk.

Jerry, before we get to the questions, Hank has some questions.

Let's do a little quick recap of the Steelers draft.

How are you feeling?

You are wearing all Steelers gear as you do every day.

Yep. Yep, yep.
What do you think about the draft? A minus. A minus.
Oh, why the minus? I don't feel like they should have taken two receivers. So that's my only downfall.
But you've got to reload, right? Mitchell needs weapons. Whoa.
Wait, Mitchell? I went home. Does Mitchell need weapons or does Kenny need weapons? Uh-oh.
Are you guys putting me on the spot right now? Yeah, I mean, that's quite something that was said. I think it's a legitimate question, right? This is what I'll say.
I show respect to Mitch and his wife from day one. Mitchell.
Just had a kid. Just had a kid.
I show respect. I reached out to...
Did she ever respond to your DM? I reached out to the wife. I got left on not even seen.
Didn't even care. What percentage of your DMs that you send out do you think get responded to? 6%? Yeah, that seems about right.
It's actually not bad. We were actually just talking to Will Compton, who's in the office this week, and they were going back and forth, and Jerry's like, yeah, I asked TJ Watt.
I DMed him that when he goes up against Terrell Luan, he's got to bury him. He didn't respond, but the message was sent.
When I saw the DMs that you sent to TJ Watt, like long before you worked here, this was like back in the day, like right after you drafted, you started the conversation. I was just wondering, like, you probably have like a dialogue running with like 50% of the Steelers players.
I'd say, yeah, I Can you read a couple of the TJ Watt DMs you sent over the years? Those were very funny. It was Mack from Always Sunny and Chase Utley.
Yeah, I got them right here. Do you want me to go back? Yeah, just fire off a few.
Read the one where you're like, and I'm a real football fan.

Just fire them off.

I said.

These are all no responses, by the way.

Yeah, these are all no responses.

This is March 2nd, 2020.

TJ, one time I went to a Steelers game against the Jets.

I was sitting front row.

I had a sign that said, TJ, can you sign my jersey?

And you gave me a head nod.

Unfortunately, I had a family emergency right after pregame and had to leave. Any chance if pay you would you be able to do that for me you're my favorite player after that he put up a picture of his food i said bully food and then i just said uh march 31st 2021 tj i work for not going to mention his name from entourage would you be interested in coming on a podcast for minutes? Nothing.
TJ, my name is Gerard, but you can call me Jersey Jerry. Today is my birthday.
I would love to make my birthday wish come true if you were able to respond and say happy birthday. What age were you turning? That was when I was turning 26.
Okay. When's your birthday, Jerry? May 11th.
May 11th. Yeah, so what was your birthday wish this year? You got it.
I got my wish. What was it? Yeah.
Dinner with Kenny Pickett. Nice.
And? And Bicca. Well, I mean, you said that a part of me going to dinner was part of your birthday wish.
Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah, I don't know if I said it here, but Jerry, Kenny Pickett was at dinner, and he just turned to him, and it was like, hey, let me give you a little piece of NFL advice. And I thought it was going to be about, I don't know, like he was going to say like, hey, you know, make sure you rent, don't own because it's a tough league or like study the playbook.
He just said, Friar Muth is always open. That was his advice.
Great advice. Can I hit that vape real quick? No.
Thank you. That's a test.
This is the one that really sent people over the edge. I put, yo, TJ, I've been trying to reach you, bro, with a question mark.

Oh, that got a little hostile.

Yeah.

Okay, so what was the mood that day?

You were just like, fuck this guy?

No, I was just like, dude, this is like three years now.

I mean, I'm trying.

I'm just trying to build a relationship, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

Honestly, I consider myself like, and dude, a lot of the internet and like Instagram, like outside of Pittsburgh, they know me, bro. Like I'm one of the biggest fans.
The only thing missing my whole life was the Pittsburgh roots. I never had that.
But you are, like I think Steelers fans like your passion. Yes, for sure.
Steelers players like your passion. Yes, for sure.
But let's now roundabout way, go back to the question at hand. Yeah, so Mitch or Ken.
Wait, no, no. There was one more.
It went like, dear TJ, I wrote you, but still you ain't calling. I left myself my pager and home phone at the bottom.
No, that was because they said that because I said, yo, TJ, I've been trying to reach you, bro.

Yeah, no, I was trying to reach you. And they made a whole thing about it.

Like, the Stan, Eminem song.

I kind of want to turn those DMs into the song.

Yeah.

Like, get Roan to rap him to the beat.

Yeah.

Okay, so Mitch or Kenny?

This is where I stand.

Exactly.

I'll put it to you very simply.

Mitch gets picked up by the Steelers.

Show respect immediately.

Follow him.

Follow the wife.

No problem. He DM his wife immediately.
Show respect. DM, show the wife respect, I didn't get an answer.
Now, you know, Kenny Pickett followed me. Kenny Pickett's a fan of mine.
He showed you respect. Showed me respect from the jump.
After dinner, you know what I got? I got a follow from Kenny's fiance. Oh, wow.
A follow. That holds more weight in my book than a message.
Right. Sure.
Agreed. So where I stand right now is simply this.
Will I root for Mitch? Yes, I will. Because he's wearing the jersey.
What do you mean? He's wearing the jersey. The Steelers jersey.
Oh, yes. You root for the jersey.
I thought you meant this jersey. No, he's not wearing Dwayne Haskins' jersey.
No, but, um... Al, that threw me off.
But, uh, listen, I respect Mitch. I respect Caleb.
I respect those guys. But one thing those guys have to understand is, you know, Kenny ain't coming here to take part.
Kenny coming here to take over, man. And Mitch should appreciate that competition.
And let's see who wins the job, man. Let's see who wins the job.
And you are – Jerry is – he's seeing Super Bowl for Kenny Pickett in his career. He's seeing it.
I ain't seeing Super Bowl. I'm seeing Super Bowls.
Oh. So as good as Ben.
Listen, man, you know, you guys – all you guys at Barstool did a good job of making me realize Big Ben.

And I always loved Big Ben.

And this year is going to be really weird for me because that's all I know.

But his time was up a long time ago.

Yeah, I'd say so.

He hung on, but I think he almost did that out of respect for guys like you.

Yeah, he was a crumb bum at the end.

He wanted to stick around.

He wasn't a crumb bum, Dan.

He was a crumb bum at the end.

I mean, no, they should have won that last game. I think so.
They should have won that last game. Well, they're up 7-0.
Yeah. Well, TJ.
Yeah. Would you want Drew Brees if he came back? No.
No. No.
I mean, he can't throw the ball 10 yards. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Big Ben's 10 times the quarterback.
Yeah. Listen, I stand with bold guys.
I don't know if you can do that, though. Who am I rooting for more? Who am I rooting for you, though? Who am I rooting for more? Yeah.
Kenny Pickett. Okay.
All right, that's fair. Kenny Pickett.
I mean, you have a relationship with him. Of course, man.
We're not only... We're friendly.
You know what I mean? We're doing dinners. We're texting.
I'm hitting him up after OTAs and stuff. You won game of the year.
Oh, I don't know where the jersey went. We have a Kenny Pickett signed jersey in here.
Wow. So what happens if has a bad game? What do you do at that point? What does it say? PMT game of the year because he won my game of the year.
That's sick. What do you do, though? What do you do if Kenny Pickett has a bad game? Listen, man.
I talked to Kenny about that, too, and I told him. I said, listen, I'll never disrespect you.
Out of respect for you showing me love, I'll never bash you. You throw a pick, it's a bad throw.
Wide receiver's fault. Should have thrown it to Fry.
Yeah, I could always use that excuse. Pat was open, Kenny.
Come on, think, think. Remember what Jerry said.
All right, let's do some blue collar, bring your lunch pail talk. Hank, get us going.
Hey, Jerry, it was always blue collar. Me and my buddy clean train stations around Massachusetts.
Anything from homeless man shits on the ground to tearing down their tents at train stations. Any advice on what to do after a stressful day of work besides slug beers? It was always blue collar.
Thanks, Jer. Yeah, I mean, I pretty much thank you, Eric, for this.
I took a massage, a foot massage out of here.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

You like it?

Dude, that thing...

Dude, after work...

Like, last night, I was here for a while.

I didn't get home until, like, 11 o'clock.

Long day.

I went home.

I took a shower.

Stressful.

I put on the TV, and I just put my feet in it and just got a foot massage.

And you're a foot guy.

Well, yeah, I'm a foot guy. Yeah.
Dude, that relaxes the shit out of you. Okay.
That's a good one. It's a good thing.
Just stick your foot into that thing. Home medics.
Yeah, home medics. When you saw it, you were like, Eric, can I please have this? Are you going to use it? I was like, I'm not.
I'm not going to know. I doubled down.
I doubled down. Remember with the chair? Yeah, I had a full back to the chair.
And Jerry's like, I noticed that you had the full back chair. Is there any chance I can get that? I was like, no, I'm giving that to my mom for Mother's sake.
Now, let me ask you a question, Jerry. When you put your feet in this thing, does it ever say, like, your feet aren't in it? Like, it doesn't register? Like, please put your full feet in? No, Dan.
Well, that was a good one. My feet are small.
I don't think Pete, like, seven and a half is not bad. Like, people blow that out of proportion.
They're perfectly normal size. When people say that, it says more about them than it does about you.
I defend you. Because, yeah, like, listen, you are as God made you, right? Where do they cut off youth sizes? Oh, hey.
I'm curious. I don't know.
I think it's six. Six, yeah.
So you're way above that. Yeah, my size and a half above.
Have you ever seen a pair of shoes that were maybe a little cheaper in the youth size? You're like, I could buy these, maybe squeeze it all? No, I can't fit in those. I'm fucking seven and a half, bro.
Hey, Jerry, fellow Jersey guy here. I'm running for the delegate position for my union, and the election is next month.

Oh.

I'm up against one guy who most know as a shady fuck, but he's been politicking, parentheses,

promising things he can't follow through with, going out of his way to be friendly with guys

he's not normally friendly with.

It looks like it's going to be a close vote.

How do I make sure he doesn't win and prevent my union from turning into bubblegum?

Wow. You got to start a rumor that he fucks pigs.
Yeah, dude, blackmail the shit out of him. That's a good one.
Just blackmail his ass, bro. What were the politics like when it comes to union groups? Dude, it wasn't like, okay, so the union I was in, it was us, like, our own supervision wasn't in the union, so it was, like, whatever we say fucking goes, bro.
Like, they'll come and say, hey, why is this job taking six hours when it should take three? Well, because it's taking six hours. Oh.
Like, that's how it works. Okay.
You want to fucking, you know, get underground, go ahead. But you're not.
Right. Like, we run the job.
We're the ones who pretty much say how long is the job is going to take how many people we need for the job you know and they're just there to make sure we work safe and but but they get they get um they get money for like if we don't work a lot of overtime they get like more money and if we don't so it's a conflict of interest when it comes to you with them. Exactly.
That makes sense.

But yeah, we run the show for sure, 100%.

I think politics are politics no matter what.

You've got to play dirty.

Oh, of course.

If you don't play dirty, you're not going to win anything.

Oh, of course, 100%.

100%.

I mean, we robbed a lot of time, but we worked fucking hard for it.

Right.

You deserve that.

Jerry, when you clock out here, Jerry's the only person that actually has a time clock that that he that he uses to punch in punch out you you put in an eight hour day right even when you work for him listen i'll be honest with you my first couple months like my first i could say my first three months i honestly went home like 230 yeah my first four months probably i went home like 230 but these last three months like i want to a name for myself, and I want to be around for a long time with Barstool. So I talked to Danny's, and Dan doesn't believe this, but hey, one day I want to be big.
One day I want to be big. I do believe that.
I don't think so. No.
What I'm always laughing at is when you and Rico sit there, and you're like, we're going to take this whole thing over. And I just laugh about the idea of you guys running the whole show.
And Billy, yeah. It would be very funny.
That's a funny idea. That'd be funny.
Yeah. No, no, no.
Go ahead. Go ahead.
What time do you leave now? I leave late now, man. Yeah.
Like four. No.
Like six. So you're on the working man's train home yeah a lot of people brief oh you're white collar now I know I didn't want to bring this up but I feel like I have to now uh you perform some minor construction repairs around this office there were some pieces that yes got dislodged yes that you went ahead went ahead.
You put down the cement. You fixed it.
Yes. It broke.
It broke again. Yeah.
Well, listen. What are we paying for here? To back myself up.
No, you got to pay him again to do it again. No, I got to pay you again.
Number one, I'm not a mason. But number two, that's just the union way of doing things, man.
Yeah. You just fix it long enough that you get to come back.
Yeah. Keep coming back to fix it.
What's up, Honk, Big Cat, PFT, and Tex friend of Kenny Pickett? Yeah. I pressure, wash, and detail heavy equipment down in Plant City, Florida.
This includes excavators, backhoes, skid steers, front-end loaders, etc. I have a quick question for Jerry.
Can you explain to these boys about how the difference between an early morning dart versus a 5 o'clock dart? Interested to hear how cigs hit up north. Which is a dart? I think it's a cigarette.
So in your case, the vape, yeah. Well, I mean, your first hit of the day is the best of the day, you know? If you're getting up early, you know, you get that fucking blood rush to your head.
Get a little lightheaded. Yeah, but 5 o'clock is like the first hit of the rest of your night.
Yeah, I don't like that hit. The day is over.
I don't like that. I'd rather the morning hit.
Right. So when you would wake up, what time would you have to wake up? 5.45? Yeah.
5.40? I don't really like... I have smoked cigarettes in the morning before.
It still feels disgusting to do it. Like, I need...
Oh, yeah, dude, they're close. It's got to be afternoon.
After your lunch. After a big meal, that's when you can have the first one.
Or just don't smoke. When I used to smoke cigarettes, I used, like, the best cigarette was the drive, like, get up, brush your teeth, whatever, shower, get ready, and then you're driving and then you smoke a cigarette in the car or whatever.
Yeah. That's the best cigarette.
I could see that one. Yeah.
Also, that guy's got an awesome job. Yes.
He pressure washes heavy construction equipment. He should honestly make an Instagram account because those videos go viral all the time.
So satisfying. Yeah.
When you see the stream hit, all the dirt comes off. The mud and shit.
Yeah. It's so clean.
That's actually, I'll bet your son would, that's his dream job. Yeah.
Right there. Any two-year-old in America, that's what they want to do when they grow up.
Yes. Hello, Suit Hank.
Honest work. Fighter pilot PFT, father of 2CAT in JD, Nebraska.
Yeah, Juan Damien. Juan Damien, yeah.
I recently dropped out of college to become a plumber. Good.
I'm currently training with various guys in my company, but every time I have to fix a toilet, there's always a massive size dump in it that I have to take care of before I can get to fixing the toilet. Am I being hazed by the guys in my company? is it normal behavior to expect them to treat the new guys like this or am i just having extremely bad luck dude i think i think no he's not having bad luck that's a setup but you have to expect that when you're like an apprentice you know what i mean i got shit on i mean i got shit on till the day i left but like i don't know dude like in the beginning it's tough was there a moment when you were leaving where they were like hey jerry oh people cried bro yeah be like hey you know all that shit we gave you we actually really like you because that's my favorite type of like male friendship where like you bust balls for so long and then there's that one moment where you're like i actually love you man yeah so listen my stay with the company was for like four and a half years and like, dude, was I the best worker? Hell no.
No, not even close.

Not even close.

Not even top 100.

Did I stay? for like four and a half years and like dude was i the best worker hell no no not even close not even top 100 did i stay and scam overtime every day yes 100 but you were working hard but i was working hard you know what i mean like the first like two years the first two years they didn't let me touch anything because they thought i was crazy yeah it's kind of like here i ain. It ain't kind of a little bit.
Yeah. You show them.
Yeah. But when I left, there was this guy who always wanted me on his crew.
You know, like when you're a foreman there, you get to, you know, you're kind of pick of who you want. So he always wanted me on his crew.
His name was Hank. And classic boss name.
He was an old man. He was fucking 65, 66 years old.
And he would just sit on a bucket all day. And the day I left, he was fucking, he was emotional, bro.
Yeah. You know why? Because, like, you're a good dude to have on a crew.
Because I'm sure that when it comes to, if you have something that has to be done for the job. Yes.
Like, the job will be completed. Oh, for sure.
Yeah. You'll take care of it.
But also, you know how to keep your mouth shut. Oh, yeah.
You know how to kind of, like, go along. Yes.
Make sure that everybody's making their money. Dude, I always had, for breakfast, you have corn muffin and a black coffee every day.
I always got him his breakfast. And because, you know, those are the guys who take care of you on your paychecks.
You know what I mean? Right. And frigging, you know, up until when I left, he's like, dude, like, I worked with that guy for like three years straight.
You see those guys more than your family. You know what I mean? And like, he was so emotional, bro.
He's crying. He's like, I looked at you like a son.
You know, I can't believe you're going. I say, you know, it is what it is, you know.
Yeah. It's my life now.
Juan Damien was always meant for big things. Yeah, I miss that guy, Hank.
I mean, you could call him. Yeah.
I could call him. All right, last one.
Two-part question. What is the worst job you've ever done and have you ever either walked off a job or quit in the middle of the day good question worst job i ever had was i i worked for this um i worked for this company like an hour and 20 minutes from my house when i first when i first got home from Arizona.
Friggin, I only worked there for like a week. It was like an hour and a half away in Mount Laurel or something like that, New Jersey.
I forget. The guy was like a dickhead, though.
It was a miserable job. But I never walked out of a job, no.
I never did. The best job I ever had, I'll say this.
the best job i ever had was when i bagged groceries at the safeway supermarket i heard you saying that that you miss some days at barstool you're like i wish i was just back at safeway yeah trade it all to be back at safeway i don't think i would trade it all to be back at safeway but that was one of one of the why you know i just because i was like like i feel like that was the start of my whole career. Right.
Right, so there's more time and place. Not the actual bagging of the groceries, but where you were.
But it was funny because I love old people's shit. You know what I mean? I love them getting mad when you put your fucking shit in the wrong bag.
They're hilarious to me. Put the heavy stuff at the bottom, please.
You just fuck with old people. That's why you loved it.
Dude, my girlfriend, something happened, and she had to go for a checkup. But we went to the emergency room because she was having pain in her stomach.
So we go to this emergency room a couple miles away from the house, and I'm sitting there, and this guy walks in in a wheelchair. A tow truck driver ran over his foot, but this guy walked in.
He was like a regular there, so all the people knew him. Was it like a bar that you're going to? I'll take the usual.
Yes. All right, a couple x-rays.
This guy, I got the clip. I've got to send it to you guys.
It is hilarious. It is so funny.
This guy's motherfucking the people left and right. I think I saw you put that on Twitter, right? Yes.
Dude, I love old people like that. Yeah.
So, when you were bagging groceries, would you secretly judge people for what they were buying? Not really, no. Not really.
I mean, there's some weird people out there, you know? Like, I don't know. I never judge people, though.
Yeah. I'm not a judger.
This has been great, Jerry. Yeah, it's, Jerry.
We appreciate it. Numbers.
Do you want to guess a number? Eight. Nine.
25. So you're not going to do ten? I'll do eight.
I'll do ten for Mitch. I'll do three for nine.
We've got eight nine and ten and memes got four Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, balls I guess. That doesn't count.
It was close to 55.

Double nickel.

22.

Oh, that's a first timer.

I fucking guessed that.

How do you know that?

Because I've guessed it so many times.

Damn.

So we have 6, 20, 26, 27, 29, 51, 78, 88. Still out of 20s.
Okay. Damn.
I've guessed 22 probably more than any other number. What do you get if you win that? Nothing.
Literally, half the time we get it. I don't know.
I couldn't tell you. Yeah, Hank's never gotten it.
You get like a moment of excitement, and then everybody forgets about it seriously two seconds later. It's a moment of excitement that everyone's like.
When it even pops up that someone else said the number.

Yeah, it's a moment of excitement that everyone's like, wait, that was your number?

And then the show's over.

So that's the show.

Love you guys.

Bye. I don't know what I have to say, I'll say it anyway Today is a modern day to find you shying away

I'll be coming for your love again

Take me

Take me

Take me

Take me

Take me

Take me

Take me Take me on me. Take me on me.
Take me on me.

Take me on me.

Take me on me.

Take me on me.

Take me on me. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh say you're coming.
Oh, here it goes. So needless to say.
I want to set it. It's about me.
It's a little wait. Slowly learn that life is okay.

Say unto me.

It's not better to be safe than sorry.

Take on me.

Take on me.

Take me.

Take on me.

Take on me.

Take on me.

Take on me. Take me out of the kingdom Take me out of the kingdom Take on me.
Take on me. Take on me Take on me Take on me Take on me Take on me Take on me Take on me I'll make you Take my Take me up.
Take me up.