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Today is Friday,

Speaker 4 May 13th,

Speaker 4 and the Philadelphia 76ers are dead. DEAD,

Speaker 4 dead, dead, dead. James Hardin

Speaker 4 had two shots in the second half tonight, the same amount of shots that Ben Simmons had in the closeout game against the Atlanta Hawks. They're dead.

Speaker 5 That's tough.

Speaker 5 I didn't know that stat. I was just going to say he scored the exact same amount of points in the second half of their final game as Ben Simmons did all playoffs.

Speaker 5 And I think you go back to the trade, and neither team won. It was the classic lose-lose trade.
Like both teams, in a weird way, got a little bit worse from this trade. So you love to see that.

Speaker 5 I think Doc Rivers had the best score of the night after the game was over. He said, I came to the conclusion at the end of this game that we were not good enough to beat Miami.

Speaker 5 So for all you losers out there that love to say that Doc Rivers doesn't always talk about, he was right. Hashtag Doc was right.
You weren't good enough to beat Miami.

Speaker 4 So, so, so that's a great quote. I actually compiled a few quotes.
I wanted to do a quote off for you. And PFT, I want you to judge these quotes.
James Harden, by the way,

Speaker 4 I'm the one sucker alive that still believes in Ben Simmons. So I'm like, Nets could still get something out of him, crazy, stupid, irrational.
So I'm not giving up on Ben Simmons.

Speaker 4 I'm the last person in the world because I'm like, 6'10 point guards don't grow on trees, even though he's scared of playing basketball. Either way, James Harden shot two times in the second half.

Speaker 4 Same as Ben Simmons, which we just said, scored zero points. Ben Simmons actually scored one point in that famous second half against the Hawks in the closeout because he hit a free throw.

Speaker 4 James Harden,

Speaker 4 let me just do a quiz. When do you think James Harden attempted his last two-point field goal attempt?

Speaker 5 I'm going to say three minutes left in the third quarter.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 4 that would be great.

Speaker 4 His last two-point field goal attempt was with eight minutes, 54 seconds left in the first quarter oh two point field goal two point field goal attempt he just stopped trying for anything but standing around and shooting threes and even this is going to hurt sixers fans this is a trigger warning they knew it though i think sixers fans actually are the one fan base they want to just relish in the pain because they hate where this team is at right now um Ben Simmons had a better closeout game against the Hawks than James Harden did against

Speaker 4 drove to the hole.

Speaker 4 He had had dunk it but at least he got within the vicinity of the basket i forgot he had 13 assists in that game and eight rebounds so like say what you want but he was he was at least moving around a little bit

Speaker 5 i i think i think you're unfairly targeting james harden for only attempting uh or his last field goal with two minutes left in the first quarter no it was his last no no no it was his last two-point field goal attempt with 854 left in the first quarter so that means he basically just stood around the three-point line for the rest of the night i I think you're unfairly targeting because he had a good explanation for that after the game in his post-game press conference.

Speaker 5 He said, the ball just didn't get back to me.

Speaker 4 Yeah. What are you going to do? And then, when asked if Doc Rivers didn't call plays for him, he just said, next question.
So I have some quotes.

Speaker 4 I want you guys, Hank, I want you to chime in as well because you hate Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 I love the city of Philadelphia. I love Sixers fans.
I think they want to hear this because I think they want to relish in just how bad this has gotten. But you guys judge which quote is worse.

Speaker 4 I'm going to give you three quotes, okay?

Speaker 4 First quote

Speaker 4 is from James Hardin. He said, actually, no, I'm going to go.
First quote is from Joel Embiid. He said, I still don't know how we let him go.
I wish I could go into battle with him still.

Speaker 4 That's Joel Embiid talking about Jimmy Butler. Yeah, good quote.
Bad. That hurts.
That hurts.

Speaker 5 Good quote, though, because I feel like all of Philadelphia and Jimmy Butler said he wished that he never left after the game.

Speaker 5 I actually think like Sixers fans are like, yes, yes, you are the exact guy. It was like the timing didn't add up in terms of how much they could pay him at that moment.

Speaker 5 They made a bad decision to pay other guys and on him, but I feel like he would have been the perfect 76ers guy. Like he's perfect for the city of Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 The city of Philadelphia is perfect for him in a weird, sick, perverted way.

Speaker 10 They're kind of rooting.

Speaker 5 for Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And it's just, it's just brutal to have your franchise player who could have been the MVP and Joel Embiid, who he looked gassed tonight.

Speaker 4 I'm going to give him a pass for the fact that he was playing with like a half broken body.

Speaker 4 Whether that's fair or not, like he wouldn't have a great game, but he literally is a broken man.

Speaker 4 Having him, though, say, look around the locker room and be like, that guy who just beat us, who just like stomped us out at our home court in a closeout game, I really wish I had him on my team still.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I mean, it's true.

Speaker 5 It's true. It sucks to hear, but it's the truth.

Speaker 4 It's the truth.

Speaker 5 That's what I like about Joel Embiid, though, is he'll say, he'll say stuff like that because he knows that he's right.

Speaker 4 Yeah. All right.
Quote two.

Speaker 4 This one comes from Doc Rivers when talked about his job.

Speaker 4 He said, when I first got here, no one picked us to be anywhere. So just as a history lesson, Doc Rivers got there.
He's been there for two years. So

Speaker 4 going back. five years in 2018 the 76ers lost in five games in the conference semifinals in 2019 they lost in seven games in the conference semifinals the famous Kawhi shot against the Raptors.

Speaker 4 In the bubble, they lost in, they got swept in the first round. Doc got there.
They lost in seven in the conference semifinals last year. They lost in six in the conference semifinals this year.

Speaker 4 They've literally just gone. It was like

Speaker 4 they've been just doing the same thing year after year after year. Doc Rivers has had no impact on it.
They were on the exact same trajectory.

Speaker 4 And he's like, we were a mess when I got here, but I fixed it all to get us right back to where we were.

Speaker 5 i actually know this is a marked improvement for doc rivers because there was no there was no washout at least there was no big choke job this play it was just kind of like the same miserable bad vibes we talked about bad vibes with like uh i think that was kurt goldsbury gave us chris paul as number one bad vibes guy i sat down i made i made an all bad vibes team tonight at dinner you want to guess who's on it so chris paul is the one harden's the two

Speaker 4 sim

Speaker 4 is the

Speaker 4 one's in there as like the center yeah you could have him as center.

Speaker 5 He's on no, he's on the bench. He's the bad vibes guy that's on the bench wearing a funny, funny outfit.
Um, three is Paul George.

Speaker 5 Uh, well, three/slash four, Paul George and LeBron. They change, and then uh, Dwight Howard at the five.
And it's funny because if you look at that starting five of all bad vibes teams of

Speaker 5 guys that are just like trash in clutch situations, if you gave me the starting five, I would still be like, yeah, that's that team's gonna, it's gonna be

Speaker 4 the NBA championship. Yeah, they'd win everything.
Um,

Speaker 4 so the 76ers are their playoff performances in the last five years are almost an anagram.

Speaker 4 It, if they had lost in five in this season, it would have been literally the perfect, like lost in five in the conference semifinals, lost in seven,

Speaker 4 four-game sweep, lost in seven, lost in five. So, Doc Rivers, he's done a lot.
Palindrome, and they have a palindrome. That's right.
Um, it's late, and I can't talk.

Speaker 4 Uh, last quote, And I think this is the worst quote for Sixers fans. It's a simple quote.
It's just James Harden, when asked if he'll opt into his contract, he said, I'll be here.

Speaker 4 I'll be

Speaker 5 $47. Are you addressing the media?

Speaker 4 $47.366 million next year.

Speaker 5 That's crazy. That's awesome.
God bless America. James Harden has it figured out.

Speaker 5 Seriously, like you, you show flash of promise, you get paid like a motherfucker, and then you don't get paid that much in the playoffs, right?

Speaker 4 Look at Hank's face.

Speaker 5 The guys at the end of the bench get paid the same as the stars in the playoffs, right? He's like, I'm not getting paid enough to show up for the playoffs. Fuck this.

Speaker 5 I'm going to take some shots at halftime, maybe rip a zigzag and come out and not play basketball in the second half unless you pay me more.

Speaker 4 Oh, look at Hank's face. He's in shock.
$47.366 million.

Speaker 4 opt-in. I would say he's probably going to opt in.
I'd say he probably won't walk away from that money. The only thing that he might do is he might, he might do an extension.
No, no, no.

Speaker 4 I think the Sixers' only choice, as crazy as it sounds, their only choice is to extend him and move some of the money around.

Speaker 4 He's going to opt in.

Speaker 5 What if he goes back to his old tricks and he just shows up? He just eats his way through the summer, shows up fat, demands another trade.

Speaker 4 But it's,

Speaker 4 but he gets to like, it's his choice of whether he wants the 47.366 million. It's not the Sixers' choice, yeah.

Speaker 5 But can't the NBA, the contracts are so fake in terms of, but like for the players, not like the NFL. Like, can't you opt in and then get fat as and then demand a trade and still get paid?

Speaker 4 I think that would still work. Yes, of course.
But I honestly think the Sixers might consider

Speaker 4 have being like, don't opt in. We'll sign you an extension that will be more than 47.366, but it won't be 47.366

Speaker 4 for one year.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I all I know is I need there to be a way for James Harden to make his way to the Lakers.

Speaker 5 I need LeBron and Hardin to team up together.

Speaker 4 It's, I mean, it's shocking. I know we were looking forward to this day.
It's, it's almost getting to a point where it's like, it's like perverse to watch him do this.

Speaker 4 And of course, the Sixers are a team. Like Danny Green gets hurt.
Joel Mbiad's been fucking ravaged by injury.

Speaker 4 The Heat deserve all the credit because I do think there's something to be said, looking at you, sons, of going on the road, game six, being like, let's not let this go to seven.

Speaker 4 Let's, let's finish this right now. We're clearly better.
The heat deserve a lot of credit, but man, what a disaster.

Speaker 4 And the process, it's now, the process has gotten to a point where you have one of the top three best players in the league. And then James Harden for $47 million.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think Nick Saban's full of shit. I think the process is overrated.

Speaker 5 We're results guys on this podcast, right?

Speaker 4 It's so bad. I don't care about the process.

Speaker 5 I'm Machiavellian. Just give me the result.
I don't care how we get there.

Speaker 4 Shout out our guy, the cuz, Anthony Gargano, who hosts radio in Philly, who's been on this show. It's clear that he's like newer to Twitter.
And he said, I see it talked about a lot.

Speaker 4 And yes, I am just tweeting through it. So I appreciated it.
I appreciated him doing that.

Speaker 5 Just admitting, like, i'm just tweeting through this because it's bad i mean if if we were to do like a a pool of guys that we think would probably either get hacked or somehow some way like tweet out a porn link over the next year i feel like the guzz is the cuz is pretty high up on that list and he and when he needs pr 101 we'll we'll have him back on the show we actually absolutely it's it's unfortunate because we did want to have him on if the sixers got to the conference finals i think we got to have him on anyway we just got to have him on have him on and but i want him like unfiltered i want like I want the stuff that he thinks is like unsafe to say on Philadelphia radio.

Speaker 5 I want the raw, uncut, pure flake coming out of the cousin's mouth.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I mean, it's, it's a debacle.
And, and on the flip side, I am, I'm now respecting the heat. I, I, heat culture is real.

Speaker 4 If you don't think heat culture is real, just watch what Max Struss has been doing because the dude is an undrafted kid who went to DePaul his senior year, who the Bulls had for, I think, a year or two.

Speaker 4 He got hurt. So he's undrafted.
He got hurt. He like played like two games with the Bulls.
He got hurt. The heat pick him up.
And then in a game six elimination on the road, he drops 20, 11, and five.

Speaker 4 That's, that's heat culture.

Speaker 5 Max Truce is awesome.

Speaker 4 That's heat culture, though.

Speaker 5 I started noticing him like, like, uh, only two weeks ago, I think, because he was getting like an unusual amount of play time. Probably the Kyle Lowry thing had his minutes increase a lot.

Speaker 5 The dude is just legitimately good.

Speaker 4 But that's what he says.

Speaker 5 Max. Max is such a cool name.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the Maxes are hot right now. And that's what they, that's what the Heat do.
They are like a franchise that obviously they have really good players. Like Bam is incredible.
Jimmy's incredible.

Speaker 4 They got a lot of really good players, but they also find a way to get guys who can contribute and play in a system and are well coached. It's heat culture.

Speaker 4 Jake,

Speaker 4 I mean, I don't know if they'll beat the Bucs or the Celtics, but I'm not going to look past them at all. Like they, anyone who says they can't beat those teams is crazy.

Speaker 4 They've just, they've proven it.

Speaker 4 They are heat culture works in the playoffs.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you know, I'm just glad they made the cuts we talked about on this show, but oh, it's progress. It's progress, you know?

Speaker 4 It is crazy to take catch right there.

Speaker 4 It is crazy to think, though, obviously LeBron years, but if the heat somehow could win a championship this year, let's just say it. It's not that crazy.

Speaker 4 They're in the conference finals.

Speaker 4 That would be what four titles over the course of 20 years, less than 20 years, with all three completely different rosters. I mean, that's the sign of what a really, really good franchise is.

Speaker 10 And three and a decade.

Speaker 4 Yeah, three and a decades.

Speaker 5 You got another quote here from Joelle and B.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Obviously, I'm sure since we got him, everybody expected the Houston James Harden, but that's not who he is anymore.

Speaker 5 He's more of a playmaker, I thought at times, as with all of us, who could have been more aggressive. It's just, that's just Joelle.
And you can't say shit to him because he's right. That's the thing.

Speaker 4 The truth will set you free.

Speaker 5 Joelle, the truth will set you free. No one's going to be mad at Joelle and Bede for telling it like it is right now.
Cause like James Harden is, he, I might be actually flipping on James Harden.

Speaker 5 I think I like James Harden now.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 5 I can't, I don't, I don't like, it's fun to talk about the choke jobs in the playoffs and him just like not showing up.

Speaker 5 But now it's just like James Harden, I think is just, he's got it all figured out, man. He's rich as fuck, and he doesn't even have to show up for work.
He can just get fat all the time and not work.

Speaker 4 That's the American dream. You know what it is? I think it's because it happens every year.
It's like, can you cancel someone multiple, multiple times, like over and over?

Speaker 4 Eventually, everyone's going to like put down their pitchforks and be like, well, this is kind of tiring. James Harden, every year, the internet's like, let's rally and get him.
And yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 4 And I tweeted a picture of him just looking so tired and like just, just beat to hell. But

Speaker 4 there is a small part of me that's like, this guy, no matter what, it just, we always end up right back here.

Speaker 5 It's the story of the scorpion and the scorpion, the frog. We're like, you know, that he's a scorpion.
So the frog's taking him across the river. And then the frogs, it sinks actually this time.

Speaker 5 And it's like, what's up with that? And the scorpion's like, sorry, I gained 70 pounds. I'm James Harden.

Speaker 4 You should know that. Yeah.
And I got out of breath and I didn't really want to shoot it. You know what the craziest part is he played the entire third quarter.

Speaker 4 I think he played like 21 minutes in the second half. Again, it wasn't like he wasn't playing.

Speaker 5 You can't help but respect that. You know who he is.
There's enough, there's enough body of evidence out there right now to know exactly who James Harden is.

Speaker 5 Hank is still amazed at how much money he's making.

Speaker 4 47.36.

Speaker 4 That well, that combined with Billy's just been having like an absolute feast over here. I'm just impressed with how much he's been eating.
And it's great too.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 My game ball? Yeah.

Speaker 13 Tomas Nozak, he had two points and was instrumental in the Bruins win.

Speaker 4 Nice.

Speaker 4 The best part is Billy's just eating and he also

Speaker 4 who like, no matter what the plans we ever do on this podcast, like we had a very set plan. He's always the first to text being like, what's the plan?

Speaker 4 Like we literally said when we, when I was walking out of the studio today, you go, what's the plan? I was like, let's, let's wait till the second half.

Speaker 4 And then if it's out of hand, we'll hop on like right around the start of the fourth quarter. It was halftime.
And you're like, what's the plan?

Speaker 13 Well, you know, I'm just trying to stay on top of things, you know, business first, of course.

Speaker 5 But I got, I got hungry.

Speaker 4 It is eating hour. All right.
So that game, Sixers, I mean, yeah, I don't know what to say other than they got problems. They got big time problems.

Speaker 4 I don't know if Doc Rivers, I mean, he did, no one expected anything out of him when he got there.

Speaker 5 Listen, if you look at the trajectory, it improved over last year in a way.

Speaker 4 Kind of. Actually, no.

Speaker 4 Actually, no.

Speaker 4 You don't think right now? One game less.

Speaker 5 Where the team is at right now, do you think?

Speaker 4 One game less.

Speaker 5 I feel like the vibes are like slightly higher than they were last year when they got literally.

Speaker 4 They're slightly higher, but

Speaker 4 they're still really bad. Yeah.

Speaker 4 They're like, it's, they're still negative vibes. They're just not super negative vibes.
Right.

Speaker 5 Yeah. It's, they're less, they're less low.

Speaker 4 But even

Speaker 4 actually, I don't know. Maybe not because the Ben Simmons part of it, you, Philly fans going out of last year could have told themselves, well, at least we can do something about Ben Simmons.

Speaker 4 James Harden can opt in for $47.366 million.

Speaker 1 Anyway.

Speaker 5 It's almost like a reverse hostage situation where like James Harden will be, he's holding himself hostage. It's John Q.

Speaker 5 He's holding himself hostage on the Sixers unless they do something about like give him that big contract extension like you talked about and then try to move him somewhere else.

Speaker 5 So I, the only reason I say that the vibes might be like a little less low than they were at this point last year is because Embiid played so fucking well this season.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, he's not. And you know that he's going to come back.
You know.

Speaker 5 that his ceiling is like so, so high right now and that you can win a championship with him if you get him the right piece.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, that that part, you're absolutely right. Like, you know, people are like, dude, what are you talking about? You're a Bulls fan.

Speaker 4 Of course, I'd rather have Joel and B than pretty much anyone in the NBA at this point. So you're right.
You do have a piece that is

Speaker 4 whatever you want to say, one, two, or three best pull, like Giannis, Joel, like whatever you want to rank them. We're not going to rank them, but yeah, you're right.

Speaker 4 Like you have a piece that is better than almost every other team in the NBA, but fuck 47.366.

Speaker 4 That's so bad. All right.
Suns' game just went final.

Speaker 4 Mavs forced game seven. Chris Paul opted out of this game, and that's all I got.
They just killed him. Like that wasn't even, that was never close.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I fully expected the Suns to win this game, too. I thought that they were going to run away with it.
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 5 I saw that you texted the group chat that Rosillo is already hedging against.

Speaker 4 uh chris paul saying that he's hurt should we get on board that should we say no he didn't say he was hurt he said something is off and i replied yeah we're a month into the nba playoffs this is right when chris paul something is off but yeah something is off he said i i did expect the mavs to win now before the game or before we hopped on hank you said the suns are definitely going to win game seven yeah 100 so

Speaker 4 i tend to agree but now the suns are in a spot where they're playing against Luca in a game seven where he can easily be the best player on the court.

Speaker 4 Like, that's so dangerous to be in a game seven where if Luca is like, I'm going to not miss tonight, he could easily do that and steal this series.

Speaker 5 So what's weird about this game seven is I think for the Mavs, it's going to be like a real big turning point for their franchise if they win or if they lose this one particular game, because it feels way different if the Mavs get bounced in the second round.

Speaker 5 They've got Luca, who's a great player. But you almost have to admit at that point, like you need to do, you need to find a piece to fit around Luca to take it to the next step.

Speaker 5 And it's going to be tough to find like a real good complimentary player for a player like Luca because just of his style.

Speaker 5 Like it's tough to find somebody that'll fit in nicely with him and take it to the next level.

Speaker 5 Now, if they just happen to win the next game, then you can be like, listen, we made it all the way to the Western Conference finals last year.

Speaker 5 Luca is good enough to do this with the team that we have around him right now to take us to the finals and maybe win one.

Speaker 5 So in a weird way, it's like this one game actually will mean a lot for the future of the Mavericks.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I do think they're already in a little bit of not house money but like luke they've they did the progression thing like luca had never won a playoff series they win the first playoff series they're taking the western conference champs to to seven so

Speaker 4 they are like i i wouldn't say if they get bounced in seven at Phoenix, I wouldn't say this was a disappointing run for the Mavs, but I get what you're saying.

Speaker 4 Like the course of the franchise could change, like similar to the Hawks being like, we've arrived when they go to the Western Western or Eastern Conference finals last year, and they clearly hadn't.

Speaker 5 Right. So I'll take it one step further.
How's this for a take?

Speaker 5 It would actually be better for the future of the Dallas Mavericks if they lose this game.

Speaker 4 Ooh.

Speaker 4 What?

Speaker 5 Get on that level.

Speaker 4 This is like, did you guys see the take? Hold on, I'm going to find it.

Speaker 4 There was a real take quick. That's a good take quick.
I kind of, you could convince yourself of it. I get what you're saying.
I don't agree. Listen, don't get stupid as fuck.

Speaker 5 But it's fun, but you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 Like, if they, if they had gotten blown out in the second round, then I feel like Mark Cuban would kind of like have to go nuclear and try to put something good together and get like an awesome player to team up with Luca to take that next step.

Speaker 5 It would be like, all right, we need, we need to do a re, not a rebuild, but we need to like actually focus on getting

Speaker 4 like

Speaker 5 as much new talent around Luca as possible.

Speaker 5 Whereas if they make it to the finals and they put up like a decent showing in the Western Conference finals, then you can go into the offseason with a mentality of our team's good enough, we just need to be together for another year.

Speaker 4 I don't think Cuban is like that. Yeah, no, I don't think he falls under that category of owners that are just like happy with what they do.

Speaker 4 And if they're successful, then they're just not going to care. Like, I feel like he cares.
Yeah, no, he does, and he wants to put the best team around it.

Speaker 4 It's one of those takes that I don't agree with, but I respect. Yeah, thank you.
That's all I need. Yeah, yeah.
This is another one.

Speaker 4 So, this is another one that I saw. Is Bob Kravitz one of your deflategate guys, Hank? He had a headline for tonight.
I didn't read it, but he so he might have explained it better. I don't care.

Speaker 4 I just read headlines, whatever.

Speaker 4 That's the Indianapolis star guy, right? Yeah. A repeat of Jonathan Taylor's output would be bad for the Colts.
Yes, yes. I love that.
I love that.

Speaker 1 Fucking great.

Speaker 5 Those are the best takes in the world, though. That's what makes talking about sports fun is to see like who can who can be so smart that they actually become stupid as shit.

Speaker 4 Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
So, um, game seven, and then we got to to talk a little hockey. Then let's talk some NFL and we'll get to the rest of the show.

Speaker 4 He's actually responsible for Deflate Gate, by the way. He's like,

Speaker 4 he was like, he was the reporter who first reported it and then said he has a seed of doubt afterwards. Oh, shit.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 I have something to read to you guys. It's the famous tweet.
We don't have any words and we know you don't want to hear them.

Speaker 4 We understand your anger, your frustration, your sadness, everything you're feeling. We get it.
This isn't the ending we imagined and certainly not the one we wanted.

Speaker 4 Thank you for being there the entire way. That's the Tampa Bay Lightning tweet from 2019.
They are 17-0 off a playoff loss since that tweet.

Speaker 4 Insane, insane run. I don't know if we'll ever have a run like that again.
And it even includes the stupid bubble qualifying thing that they did.

Speaker 5 Did you see the guy that's up in, what's the name of the, it's like Jurassic Park, but when it's for the Maple Leafs, when all of Toronto goes outside and watches all the big screen TV. Yeah.

Speaker 5 There was one guy, and it's tough to tell because the Lightning and the Leafs have very similar uniforms, very similar colors. And so there's a guy that's wearing a Lightning jersey.

Speaker 5 And right after they score an overtime to win, the whole place gets like super quiet. Everyone puts their head down.

Speaker 5 The guy in the Lightning jersey slowly, just calmly takes his jersey off and wraps it up so that he can walk out of there and get home safe. It's awesome.
It's such a funny video.

Speaker 5 It's a smart move too. That like, credit to that guy for not even celebrating, for knowing his role in that environment.

Speaker 5 My question actually is, why was he there in the first place?

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 5 If you didn't think that he was going to win in the middle of a bunch of pissed off Torontoians, but still, like, great situational awareness on his part.

Speaker 4 The fear in the city of Toronto on Saturday morning, waking up, is going to be at an all-time high. Like, this is just everything,

Speaker 4 everything. They haven't won a series, what, since 2004? It's crazy.
It's crazy that they're going into a game seven against the defending Stanley Cup champions.

Speaker 4 I'm nervous for them. I think they're going to win, but I'm very, very nervous for them.
This is, if they go down early, things could just get real ugly, real fast.

Speaker 5 I think they're going to win too.

Speaker 5 I haven't been a Maple Leaf supporter for longer than like a month, but if there's one thing that I feel about this type of team, the Toronto Maple Leafs are engineered to win clutch playoff game sevens.

Speaker 5 That's just in their DNA.

Speaker 5 You go, you see them play at their arena. You see all the banners hanging up.
I think some of them are even from as late as the 60s. Like, that's just what this team does.
They win clutch game sevens.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they do.

Speaker 4 Game of the year, lightning. I couldn't love a team anymore.
Two-time defending champs. Game of the year.
Game of the year. Wait, you game of the year.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, okay, all right. Game five, that hit.

Speaker 4 Two-time defending champions. They've been there.
They've experienced it. They've played as a team.
They've won championships. This is the first round.
They don't have as much pressure.

Speaker 4 Toronto has all, they have the most, they have the pressure of a city that needs a championship and an entire country that needs a championship. But they have me.
There's no, yeah, and exactly.

Speaker 4 That's actually worse. That's like the straw that breaks the cable's back.

Speaker 4 That's fucked up. You can't curse something that's been cursed forever.

Speaker 4 But you can make it worse. You can like join the bandwagon out there.
Or I make it better.

Speaker 4 Or I make it better. I like how confident you are on

Speaker 4 hockey. Like,

Speaker 4 I don't know. It's hockey.
I don't fucking know.

Speaker 4 But that's where it's not hockey, big cat. It's life.
This is psychological. Yes, I see what you're saying.
All right. So, Hank, your hockey team,

Speaker 4 also game seven. You fell asleep, though.
Speaking of psychological, I mean,

Speaker 4 I can only go through stats. I can only go with what I know.
And that's that the two games they won, we were traveling, and then we were in Vegas. So I didn't see those two games.

Speaker 4 Tonight, I was tired watching like the beginning of the first period, fell asleep on the couch, woke up, the game was over, we won.

Speaker 4 So I can't watch game seven. Like, I'm not going to watch game seven.
I can't, I have to just go with the stats, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 I mean, that's that's what happened with you and the Patriots.

Speaker 4 You were in the concourse.

Speaker 4 I think you got to do that again. This wasn't, these ones weren't even intentional.
These weren't even like, let's superstitiously not watch.

Speaker 4 This was just like, I was traveling and then I fell asleep. But stats are stats.

Speaker 5 I think you need to just like wake up.

Speaker 5 Wait, when is game seven?

Speaker 4 Saturday. Saturday.
Three game sevens on Saturday.

Speaker 5 Saturday. So you just need to, you need to just not think about the game at all.
Not even check the score until after the game's over.

Speaker 4 Seven o'clock. I don't like that.
Oh, and the lightning maple is around 7.30. So I'll just watch that.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I should correct that. The Oilers are up 2-1 going into the third.
There might not be three games. I don't want to jinx that.
I had the Kings. Could be two.

Speaker 4 Should we talk some NFL schedule before we get to the rest of the show in studio?

Speaker 10 Yeah, just quickly.

Speaker 4 Fuck the wild. Terrible team.
Terrible franchise. Worst future ever.

Speaker 4 I think the big, the big news from the NFL schedule off the top is that there's an AWL in NFL scheduling department because we get the Bears Commanders Thursday night football and then Bears Patriots Monday night football and back-to-back weeks.

Speaker 4 So someone's fucking with us. I love that.
I love that.

Speaker 5 I'm so glad that Thursday night football is actually like the perfect venue for the Washington Seawards and the Bears.

Speaker 4 It really is.

Speaker 5 It'd be great. We got to think of something good to do for that stream.

Speaker 4 maybe even go to the game i don't know yeah well i'm i'm down and it also um is nice that they finally figured out like someone in the nfl scheduling department from the bears perspective said oh week seven is right around when the bears are going to be so bad no one wants to watch them because they have three primetime games in the first seven weeks and then they're done

Speaker 4 genius

Speaker 5 you're raising your hand billy

Speaker 13 So I just want to talk about the jet schedule. My prediction.

Speaker 4 What?

Speaker 4 Go off. You had your hand raised for like 20 minutes.
Well, it's either going to be low level, seven and ten, high level, nine and eight.

Speaker 4 You knew the thank God. Thank God.

Speaker 4 We knew who you were playing before tonight.

Speaker 5 No, but it's different. I know what you're saying.

Speaker 4 Looking at the schedule.

Speaker 5 Right. This way you get to incorporate where the bye weeks are.

Speaker 4 You get to see where your schedule gets weaker. Where is the rest?

Speaker 13 For example, you know who you're playing, but you don't know. Like, you're going to have an injury bug late in the season.

Speaker 4 Right. But none of we don't know anything.
Like, we always do this. It's fun to do it.

Speaker 13 Oh, well, this is why we're doing it.

Speaker 4 Right. But are you saying it confidently or is this just a? Yeah.
Like, I think the Bears are going to go 17-0.

Speaker 13 No, no, I'm saying, I'm saying realistically, hopefully 9-8, we make a playoff berth.

Speaker 11 and then we get something going.

Speaker 13 I mean, we have an electric team.

Speaker 4 It might be low-key,

Speaker 4 a wagon.

Speaker 4 We have a lot of players.

Speaker 5 We have a lot of electric players. We've got a lot of parts and got a defense that's head by Salah.

Speaker 13 That's going to be good.

Speaker 4 What's the point of your schedule that you're most worried about, Billy?

Speaker 11 Patriots in Buffalo.

Speaker 4 But when is when is now we're doing the schedule that you just saw the opponents when you knew you were playing them four times, but what?

Speaker 4 Right. But late,

Speaker 13 Patriots late in the season for the playoff birth because look, Bailey

Speaker 13 Zappi might actually be the starter and they might have a rookie quarterback that we can beat I'm just saying I'm talking to a high person

Speaker 5 this is why we love the scheduled release and for me you big cat Jake they always play the Patriots that's how it goes every fucking

Speaker 4 bills no matter what yo imagine think about this imagine if Mac Jones gets benched for Bayley and then like we have a Patriots team for the first time in disarray but like we haven't seen that in years yeah we haven't seen a Patriots team led by a rookie quarterback and I, I literally couldn't even think of the last time.

Speaker 13 Since last year, and then maybe you could count Garoppolo and then like Tom Brady, like 20 years ago, legitimately 20 years ago.

Speaker 4 So I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 Not 20 years ago. But also

Speaker 4 last year would probably be like they've kind of experienced it. Right.
The most recent season.

Speaker 13 I think there's going to be a quarterback controversy in New England that is going to actually like really tank them.

Speaker 5 I'm just saying, why'd they draft Bailey?

Speaker 4 Just saying.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Thanks, Billy. Okay.

Speaker 5 One thing we all need to be cognizant of on this podcast, with the exception of Hank, probably, is that we are the teams that other people's schedules

Speaker 5 that everybody looks at and says, okay, that's a win for us.

Speaker 4 Yes. So we're

Speaker 4 easy wins. We're all a bunch of marks.

Speaker 4 I stopped looking at the Bears schedule after weeks. I was like, all right, just show me where the primetime games are.
All right, cool. Nothing after seven.
All right, I'm good.

Speaker 4 Like, just everything else at noon or one o'clock. Like, that's all I want.

Speaker 5 Because I did, when I got off the train today, that's when we saw, that's when the schedule came out. And Jake was walking outside of the train station with me.

Speaker 5 And I pulled it up and I started going through it. And I'm such a fucking sucker.
I was doing the win-win loss loss, win-win. Jake, what I come up with, like, honestly, in the moment.

Speaker 10 12 and 5 lossing things together.

Speaker 5 12 and 5. I think the commander, I think the commanders actually have an easy schedule this year.
If you look at it, like the NFC beast, we're going to be good.

Speaker 5 The entire division is going to be good. We played the worst.

Speaker 4 That wouldn't be an easy schedule.

Speaker 5 Well, we're going to beat each other up inside the division.

Speaker 5 But besides that, I think if you look at the rankings of strength of schedule, I think the four teams with the weakest schedules are all the NFC East teams because probably because they play each other, actually, now that I think about it.

Speaker 4 So I'm pulling it up right now. The four teams with the weakest schedule is actually, it's the, yes, it's the Giants.
the Eagles, the Colts, and the Bears.

Speaker 5 I saw the Commanders had the easiest schedule where'd you see that it was it was on at least three articles i'm going off of i'm going off warren sharp who i trust he's got to be like different

Speaker 4 he's got his own metrics yeah he got his own metrics yeah i feel like the ferris winning percentage from last year right yeah yeah but that doesn't

Speaker 4 yeah i get i guess but you have to like take into account like if you're playing the broncos this year it's different than playing them last year seahawks like so i i don't know what how he does it but you'd have to take into account like shifting of quarterbacks and everything, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, that's that's probably a fair thing to say, but I do know that the Bears have an easy schedule too, like on paper.

Speaker 4 Um, yeah, because they stunk last year, that's kind of you know, they do design it that way.

Speaker 5 I do,

Speaker 5 I love kind of all the pageantry that goes around the schedule release. They do the release of the schedule release date, like two weeks ago, and then there's like a slow trickling out of information.

Speaker 5 But I have a better way to do it.

Speaker 5 Um, I think this would actually be what what if every year they just like announced during football season on Monday mornings, they did like a selection show for what teams we're going to be playing that week.

Speaker 5 Like not even the teams knew about it. And they just announced it at the start of the week.
That would get me through my Monday morning so much faster. It'd be amazing.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It's like when they announce like where the game, where college game day is going to be.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 Why not?

Speaker 5 I mean, imagine how exciting Monday mornings would be.

Speaker 5 Even if the best part about that would be if you have a shitty team and you lose on Sunday, you still have something to look forward to on Monday.

Speaker 5 You can use the internet on Monday mornings because at least there's some important information that you're going to need to know.

Speaker 4 Other quirks that I noticed going through the schedule, week one, Broncos at Seahawks, that's awesome that they did that. Monday night football, that's going to be great.

Speaker 4 Like, we'll just, I'll soak that in.

Speaker 4 Thanksgiving night.

Speaker 4 I'll always got to look, you always got to look at the schedule and see, like, am I going to have to be around family talking about stuff thanksgiving night hanks patriots at the vikings kirk cousins prime time like thank you nfl you gave us a great talking point like haha look at kirk cousins that's so nice of them yeah now is that going to be like a superpower game for kirk cousins playing on christmas no that's thanksgiving

Speaker 4 okay thanksgiving yeah no he's yeah that's going to be that's actually going to be perfect for kirk cousins to have like an awful game pelichek is going to dismantle him limb by limb there's a working weird theory out there that the Browns got an easy first four games because Goodell is going to suspend Deshaun Watson for the month of September.

Speaker 4 I don't really understand that one because, like, when has the NFL done anything nice for the Browns?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it doesn't add up. It doesn't add up.

Speaker 4 They do have an easy schedule to start.

Speaker 5 Like, that would be, that would absolutely be the first time that

Speaker 5 Steelers fans would be NFL rigged because the Browns are getting a break.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they play the Panthers, the Jets, the Steelers, and the Falcons. So it is an easy first four weeks.
And then the last one, which Roger Goodell, like, you didn't have to do this.

Speaker 4 We all were going to watch NFL anyway. What they did for the, for the Christmas Day schedule is so mean because they did.
So it's Packers at Dolphins first game. I don't know.

Speaker 4 Might want to have the Heat and Bucks play in the NBA.

Speaker 4 That's funny. Then second game, they have the Broncos.
at the Rams. I don't know.
Playing the Lakers.

Speaker 4 You might want to have the Lakers playing the, you know, NBA Christmas Day or maybe even the Nuggets with your two-time MVP. And then the last game is, I don't know who's playing the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 I can't remember.

Speaker 4 Oh, the Bucks. Bucks at Cardinals.
I don't know. The Phoenix Suns seem like a pretty good team.
They literally just picked out the best NBA teams.

Speaker 4 I think the Bulls and the Knicks are going to have to play five times on Christmas Day. Like it's the only thing they have left.

Speaker 5 I didn't notice that about the schedule, but

Speaker 5 I guarantee you that that crossed Roger Goodell's mind. He's like,

Speaker 4 if we're gonna invade christmas day we're going to take the entire holiday for ourselves took it took five five teams that right now sitting right now you would say you're almost a lock to be on the nba's christmas day schedule five teams yeah the bucks the heat the lakers you could even throw the clippers the nuggets and then the suns they just took they just completely cucked the nba on their day i also i love the first game of the season oh my god the bills the Rams

Speaker 5 as the kickoff game.

Speaker 5 So I've never done a game of the year, but I think I'm in advance calling that my game of the summer, game of, maybe, yeah, maybe just game of the year on the over, calling it right now.

Speaker 5 Like throughout the summertime,

Speaker 4 when I'm making, yeah, the over. The over is going to happen.

Speaker 5 And I'm going to, I'm going to like save money as much as I can over the summer, bit by bit by bit, and squirrel it all away to make this my biggest bet ever. ever.

Speaker 5 I just, I can envision that being like a 48, 47 ball game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's going to be a fun one. God damn.
And then we also have Bucks at Cowboys Sunday Night Football to start. That's, I mean, good job.
And if I,

Speaker 4 I looked through, I scrolled through it and honestly, there's like nothing, nothing you can say like, oh, that game shouldn't be like, I just want football.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I just want football.

Speaker 4 The only, I have the, I have the self-awareness to realize just when the Bears are on national television, other people are looking at that and being like, ugh, we don't want to watch that.

Speaker 4 And obviously week two, Packers, Bears, national television, I'm just,

Speaker 4 I'll just kill myself. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Don't do that.

Speaker 4 But maybe for real this time.

Speaker 5 Who cares? Don't do that. No ditches, nothing.

Speaker 5 As much as we made fun of like.

Speaker 5 everything trickling out and being such a weird way of like announcing your schedule and taking yourself very seriously if you're the NFL, when it comes out, I still get excited.

Speaker 5 Yeah, like I actually,

Speaker 9 I was reading, I was like super pumped up.

Speaker 5 I was doing all the things that I make fun of other people for doing, like, like scheduling out what my wins were going to be next year. It's just, it's good to have some optimism every now and again.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, you have to do this. I was, I was getting frustrated this morning just because it was like every blue check mark was holding it over our heads.
Did you see that one guy, by the way?

Speaker 5 Shout out the one guy who named his Twitter account NFL schedule leaks yeah and he was completely just making them all up and he he got like 10 000 followers and then he was just like yeah this is all made up yeah i love i love the move of just being like yeah i was bored and i just decided to with people online so i just invented all this stuff and i got over 10 000 followers and then one of the first replies underneath is from one of the new like anonymous uh like nfl injury and trade update accounts i think it's called like jpa football who takes himself quite seriously and that guy was like yeah well, guess what?

Speaker 5 You just lost like 900 of them over the last hour. And it's like, yeah, that's the guy's point.
That's the point. It's like, he doesn't care about building his brand.
Yes.

Speaker 14 It's all fake.

Speaker 4 Yes, exactly. And also, one last shout out to the Chargers for doing the anime,

Speaker 4 including Urban Meyer as a Jaguar at the bar, which was great. Yeah.
Little nuggets everywhere.

Speaker 5 Wait, so let's

Speaker 5 grade the schedule releases. I think the Chargers get an A.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Lions.

Speaker 5 Lions get an A. Oh, yeah, A plus.

Speaker 5 Commander Dale Brown from Detroit Urban Survival Training. Yep.

Speaker 5 So they get an A plus.

Speaker 5 And those are really the only two that stood out to me. I think Cleveland, I think Cleveland did something cool, too.

Speaker 4 The Cardinals did Flappy Bird, which is okay.

Speaker 4 Hots had Ernie Adams.

Speaker 5 Oh, that's kind of cool. That's cool.
Some B plus.

Speaker 4 Yeah. The Bears were just

Speaker 4 throwing footballs into like a bucket. It was like a solid F minus, like as much of an S F minus as you could get.

Speaker 5 The Commanders just took three players. They took like Charles Leno Jr.
into a break room and just had him smash different items. They get an F as well.

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I would actually be fine if they just, if the Bears just released the schedule, like, here's our schedule.

Speaker 5 It'd be funny if a team didn't do it. Be like, you can find it online.

Speaker 4 Fucking Google it, dude.

Speaker 5 We're focused on football on our team, not scheduled releases.

Speaker 4 Last thing to not to go back to Sixers fans, but memes is updating this. So thank you to memes.

Speaker 4 One last quote, Jimmy Butler in the hallway yelling Tobias Harris over me.

Speaker 4 So that's tough. That's tough.

Speaker 4 That's tough. But yeah.
All right. Should we kick it? Should we kick it to ourselves? Yeah.
Everyone listen to Brian Cox. Incredible interview.
Let's kick it back to ourselves in studio.

Speaker 4 Did Billy leave?

Speaker 5 Yeah, if you noticed when Billy closed out.

Speaker 4 He started doing studio. He was like, he went like someone.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I am. I am recording.
All right. So I noticed this.

Speaker 5 Billy was closing his laptop. Like if your mom walks into the room and you're like looking at porn, somebody walked in and he was like ashamed to be doing a podcast.

Speaker 4 And he was like, I'm not working. I also like that like he got like blackballed when we visited him there, remember? Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 We'll kick it it to ourselves in a second, but that was very funny that Billy, now it makes sense that he raised his hand to try to talk about the Jets schedule first because he wanted to be done. Oh,

Speaker 4 okay.

Speaker 4 So, so, oh my God, I don't want to literally,

Speaker 4 all right, let's talk about that schedule. He goes, he was like, He was like, Oh, Jets first, let's do it.
And what, Billy? He's like, Oh, I just want to talk about the Jets.

Speaker 4 Like, of course, we're going to lead off with the fact that

Speaker 4 our three teams play each other in like a round robin in like a two weeks.

Speaker 4 He's like, No, no, no, Jets, Jets.

Speaker 5 Okay, so I don't want to throw Billy under the bus, but he did reach out to me at 11.02 and he said, Loki, how bad of a move is it to not zoom in tonight? So something weird's going on.

Speaker 5 And I told him, I said, it's not a good idea to just not show up at all without asking ahead of time. No.

Speaker 4 Correct, correct. All right.
We'll leave this all in.

Speaker 15 Yeah. Also, when I picked it up, he was just like walking through a neighborhood and was like, oh, let me find somewhere good.

Speaker 15 And he was on his phone and then just like walked into a TD bank and like sat on the counter of it and was there like before.

Speaker 15 And like we were trying to set up PFT's mic and he like kept trying to get in. So I was like, Billy, just fucking hold on.
Like I'll get you in after. And then that's when he showed up on a laptop.

Speaker 4 So I was like, I'm so confused too, because I texted everyone and I said, let's start at 11:30. And at 11:25, Billy texted, let me in.

Speaker 14 Did Billy break into a bank to record a podcast?

Speaker 4 I thought he was doing that.

Speaker 4 I thought he was doing video.

Speaker 4 He was like, I'm at the bank. No, chat schedule first.

Speaker 4 So funny. He makes me laugh.
All right.

Speaker 4 This will be on PM TV, I guess. Yes.
No.

Speaker 4 No, I say keep this in the podcast. Yeah, keep it in.
Keep it in the podcast. Yeah, yeah.
Keep it in the podcast. Now let's keep it to ourselves.
Yeah, great show, boys.

Speaker 4 Let's kick it back to ourselves. All right.

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Speaker 1 Rest of the show.

Speaker 1 Boys, I don't know who we want to start with because Hank and PFT, you both just had crushing, crushing defeats on Wednesday night.

Speaker 9 Let's start with Hank. You go first, Hank.

Speaker 1 Hank, the Celtics

Speaker 1 had that game, up six with a minute and a half left. It's crazy, like, seeing how it all played out.
The Bucs went six for six from three in the fourth quarter. Celtics didn't try a three.

Speaker 1 Drew Holiday literally stole the Defensive Player of the Year award from Marcus Smart

Speaker 1 in back-to-back plays.

Speaker 1 Panic button because it did feel it felt like a game you guys should have won. And the Bucs found a way to just make enough plays down the stretch where they win the game in stunning fashion.

Speaker 1 Bobby Portis never stops hustling.

Speaker 1 Thoughts?

Speaker 1 Worst loss since game seven,

Speaker 1 Easter Conference finals against LeBron for sure. As good as the win the other night felt, last night felt significantly worse.
It was like a big-time

Speaker 1 lose sleep over it. Like you're kind of up at night thinking about it.
It's the first thing you wake up, first thing you think about when you wake up, just deep sigh, and just like you look at the

Speaker 1 all the Bobby Portis, Drew Holiday stuff, like it shouldn't have even happened. It was 14 seconds left.
Giannis missed a free throw. Marcus Smart and Jalen Brown were the only two people close to it.

Speaker 1 Crazy. Somehow they didn't say anything.
They didn't communicate. They got mixed up.
The ball went out of bounds. They both got their hands.
No, the ball went to Bobby Portis.

Speaker 1 They both got their hands on the ball.

Speaker 1 Insane bounce.

Speaker 1 And because everyone was going for the rebound, Bobby Portis was able to get his shot up without anyone contesting it, which even Bobby Portis, I think, if you asked him, if you hit him with True Serum, he didn't think that was going in.

Speaker 1 The way he shot it was like, I have the ball. I have to shoot.
I'm right here. Threw it off the glass in.

Speaker 1 And then the Drew Holiday play, which was an insane defensive play to help, you know, help with Pat Conaton and snatch the ball from Marcus Smart, then throw it off of him.

Speaker 1 We talked about Marcus Smart when we talked about him passing up that shot, and it was like, that's something the old Marcus Smart would do.

Speaker 1 And I said, that's something that Marcus Smart might do tomorrow. Last night was a perfect example of that where

Speaker 1 Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown didn't touch the ball in the most crucial possessions of the game. Like, yeah, he kind of had an open look at the basket, but there was still a lot of time.

Speaker 1 I don't know why they wouldn't have gotten the ball to one of those guys first.

Speaker 1 And then on the inbound play, there was just a lot of turnovers the Celtics had in the fourth quarter that were like, I don't know, just lazy or like kind of inexcusable, where they just had bad passes, kind of lazy passes, go out of bounds, get deflected, get stolen.

Speaker 1 But to just not even get a shot at the tie when you had the lead and essentially the ball with 14 seconds left,

Speaker 1 it's devastating. It was a devastating loss.
I still think the Celtics are going to win the series, though. I like that adding.
I think they're going to win tonight. Is it a must-win or can't lose?

Speaker 1 It's a must-win. Okay.
Smart's Revenge. I have a bet in the Barcelon Sportsbook.
Celtics to win. Marcus Smart over points, rebounds, assist.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was as bad as it was.

Speaker 9 You heard that stat, though, right, where 82% of the people that win game five go on to win the series.

Speaker 12 So?

Speaker 1 So I'm just, I'm wondering if he hears about math. Yeah, I don't.
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 To me, I hear people win all the time, 18%.

Speaker 9 That's true.

Speaker 1 That's a lot.

Speaker 9 18% is nothing to scoff at. No.
And when we were talking about Marcus Smart the other day, I think I said like, you get like a pitcher in the major leagues with that batting average. That's true.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you're like the best hitting pitcher in the majors. It still feels dangerous when they get up to the plate, right?

Speaker 1 Jay Cariotta. Especially in the playoffs.

Speaker 9 But we were talking about good Marcus and bad Marcus after game one, I think. Or no, it was against the Nets, right? The Nets game one.

Speaker 9 And I thought of this last night when I was on Twitch, and it hit me like the perfect example. Like, he's like Rembrandt, the painter.
I know you're familiar with his work, Hank.

Speaker 9 Sometimes you get a guy.

Speaker 9 Sometimes you get a guy that paints like beautiful scenes of Puritan families, and then other times you get the guy that cuts his own ear off and goes totally totally psycho.

Speaker 9 And last night we had that Marcus Smart was cutting his own ear off game. And I was paying attention.
It was on my second screen. I was watching a little bit.

Speaker 9 I was checking in on it.

Speaker 9 I thought the Celtics had him like at halftime.

Speaker 1 I thought

Speaker 1 this game was at the fourth quarter. They were up seven and a half time.
Up seven and halftime. They're up 13 in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 9 They were up 13 at one point. And so like you don't think that that's going to carry over? Like that's a deflating loss.

Speaker 1 I also,

Speaker 1 I'm going to defend Marcus Smart for a second. I think that was more of an incredible play by Drew Holiday.

Speaker 1 Now, I'm talking about the cut to the basket off the inbound on the side out with 14 seconds left. That was just a great, like, he beat Pat Conaton to get the pass to get the open shot.

Speaker 1 Drew Holiday just made a great help defense play. Like, I don't really know.

Speaker 12 I think Marcus Smart. There's still so much time left on the clock, though.

Speaker 1 Like, it's like that. Something tells me that that's not what they drew up.

Speaker 1 They weren't like, get the ball, drive to the hoop immediately, Marcus Smart, because then you're going to give him, you know, seven seconds left to win the game. Like, that's not.

Speaker 1 And then the end of the game, I also thought, I thought that was just a bad play that they kind of drew up because it was

Speaker 1 inbound to Al Horford, back to Marcus Smart. So he basically had to start at the baseline and go all the way.
You know what I mean? They should have had someone who can handle the ball

Speaker 1 catching the ball and then going up. He's the point guard.
Right, that's the problem.

Speaker 1 Maybe he shouldn't have been inbounding it, but obviously he's open after the inbound. I thought that was a little weird.
Like, Jason Tatum, get him the ball running, right?

Speaker 1 Like, up the court is what i would want in that situation there was just some like uh derrick white had a pass that he just passed it out of bounds there was just a few just like lazy plays i don't i want to call them lazy but just plays like even that one where it's like handle the ball and pass it like they were just you know

Speaker 1 dribbling like way in front of him it got stolen pretty easily now it was just bad it was bad fourth quarter execution their offense like they they went away from they're just playing isolation basketball for the last six minutes like it seemed like they were up and then they're like all right we're just gonna kind of play iso ball run the clock out and we got this easy now how much can you say, though, it's they're the champs for a reason?

Speaker 1 Because it did feel like the Bucs

Speaker 1 taking big, big plays, hitting two threes in the fourth. Like, Giannis was scored 40, he kept them afloat at times.
I, that felt like more like they're the champs for a reason.

Speaker 1 They find a way to make a big play when it matters the most. You got to beat them without their second-best player.
It's unacceptable.

Speaker 9 So, where are you at on percentages? You said 18% is pretty good, but I get the feeling that you're more in the 22, 23% range.

Speaker 1 That they lose.

Speaker 9 That they, oh, so you're saying 67% chance

Speaker 9 that they win both these games. Yes.
Wait, that's the wrong math, isn't it? Yeah,

Speaker 9 77% chance.

Speaker 1 I would say that game six is kind of like, if the Celtics win game six,

Speaker 1 they're going to win the series, in my mind. I agree.
Like, the Bucs have to win. The Bucs actually have a must-win.

Speaker 1 Because going back to Boston for a game seven after you could have closed them out at home, that feels like a must-win.

Speaker 3 That's a can't lose to me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a can't lose. Okay.

Speaker 9 Game six at home, you don't want it to go back. That's a can't lose.

Speaker 1 So it's a must-win versus a can't lose.

Speaker 9 It's a must-win versus can't lose. We'll find out tonight which one is more important.

Speaker 1 Wow. Huge.
Smarts revenge. You were pretty.
Liam said that he had to take a walk after.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I was like, I was, I had just sat on my couch kind of staring for like a while.

Speaker 1 And like I said, it was the first thing I thought about this morning was just like 14 seconds left with a rebound. Like it should have been 14 seconds left up one with the ball.

Speaker 1 And instead, it was down one and then down three in two seconds. It was, it was horrible.
Yeah. Yeah, it was.
They changed the way that they were playing, essentially.

Speaker 1 Once they had the lead, they did kind of play

Speaker 1 not to lose instead of to win. Right.
Like, they were like on their heels the whole time.

Speaker 1 Once there was five minutes left where they weren't pushing on offense and their defense was just like playing pre-vent defense, essentially. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then eventually, like, they're just going to get picked apart doing that.

Speaker 9 I want to go to game seven. I do, too.

Speaker 9 I'm rooting for that. And it's not because I want to see the Celtics lose right now.
I actually want to see, I want to see Hank happy. I want to see him thriving.

Speaker 9 So I'm rooting for the Celtics' heart. I want to see them lose it in the championship.

Speaker 9 I want to get that heartbreak. Okay.
So I'm pulling for you, Hank.

Speaker 1 And then the other heartbreak we had, PFT's caps were up 3-0

Speaker 1 in Florida. Felt like it was stranglehold on the series, and then the Panthers showed up and absolutely like blitzed the caps.
It happened so fast. All right.

Speaker 9 Well, to be fair, they also concussed Ergoli.

Speaker 1 It was a dirty play.

Speaker 9 High stick to the chin. Jake, you saw it.
Sam Sonov collapsed to his knees. It looked like he was unconscious for a little bit.
It looked like he died. They gave him a penalty.
There was no blood.

Speaker 9 That's such a weird rule that they have in the NHL where it's like, if you bleed, that's how we determine. Actually, now that I think about it, that's a good rule.
Like, that's as good a rule as any.

Speaker 9 It's like, if you are showing visible blood, it's a more severe penalty.

Speaker 9 No blood, no foul. But still, they concussed Ergoli.
He didn't look right for the rest of the game. Bobrovsky looked like he had looked all year.

Speaker 9 I'm worried. I'm a little bit worried that Jake is going to defeat me in my own barn and that he's going to be so nice and polite about it.
He's going to stick his hand out.

Speaker 9 We're going to do the handshake line. It's going to be like losing to a golden retriever and I can't be mad at him.
So I don't know who I'm going to be mad at in that instance.

Speaker 9 I'm talking myself into all the worst things. Only good, a couple of good spin zones that I have for myself.
Number one, we got into a fight at the very end of the game.

Speaker 9 I always love that in Hollywood. I need it.

Speaker 9 At the end of a playoff game, if you get your ass kicked, if you can get into a fight with the other guy with under a minute left, I feel like that momentum actually does carry over to the next game.

Speaker 9 So I think it was Lars Eller, beat the shit out of your guy. So I agree with the dollars.

Speaker 1 I don't care about the scoreboard. We're skating downhill right now.

Speaker 9 We're skating downhill. That's the thing.
The ice is tilted towards the capitals. That's what I'm telling myself.
The ice is tilted. We've had home ice.

Speaker 9 We're going to be rocking the red in the barn for the tits bet.

Speaker 1 So you guys are going to be in the barn Friday night.

Speaker 9 We're going to be there, Jake and I. We're going to go on DC Sports Radio tomorrow.
I'm going to open up the phone lines to have any listeners to 1067 the fan call in and just roast Jake.

Speaker 9 I just want to, I want it to be a roast of Jake Marsh on the radio tomorrow. I don't have the number.
Okay. Text it to me.
Okay, I'll text it to you.

Speaker 1 What time?

Speaker 9 It's going to be 11 a.m.

Speaker 1 I'll cancel some meetings. Yeah, I'll do some meetings around.

Speaker 9 I want everyone, I want Hank to call in. I want everyone to call in and just roast Jake Marsh to his face.
He'll sit there and he'll take it.

Speaker 9 I'm going to show you what it's like to be a visiting sports fan in D.C. This ain't Raoul John.

Speaker 1 This ain't Ral John.

Speaker 8 I'm not coming in like flipping off the caps.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, you are. Yeah, you are.

Speaker 1 Right before we started, you're like, I will beat the fuck out of any Capitals fan that tries me. Jake was like, That's what he said to me.

Speaker 9 You mean the Washington Crapitals? I thought that was out of line, Jake.

Speaker 1 He was like, if any cap fans even fucking look at me funny, I am going to pound their face in.

Speaker 9 It was disgusting.

Speaker 1 I may have said that.

Speaker 9 So everybody call in and roast Jake to his face.

Speaker 9 I need all the false confidence that I can get going to this game.

Speaker 1 Now, PFT, if someone did try Jake,

Speaker 1 you have a heavy burden of not letting our darling boy get hurt.

Speaker 9 I will personally murder anybody who hurts Jake.

Speaker 9 I will murder anyone that tries to make sure that

Speaker 1 Jake, if someone tried to hurt Jake, it would be pretty close to someone trying to hurt my child.

Speaker 1 I'd have big time dad strength.

Speaker 9 I would go to jail for you, Jake.

Speaker 1 If someone tried to hurt Billy, I'd be like, tag me in.

Speaker 1 But Jake. I'm kidding, Billy.
That's how we set up the jokes here. But Jake.
Billy can fucking beat up anyone. Yeah.
Heroin. Fuck out of anyone.
Well, not a banana. Heroin.

Speaker 1 Not a banana.

Speaker 1 Heroin, yeah. Oh, I'm excited.
It'll be fun.

Speaker 3 There's going to be a decent crowd for Panther fans.

Speaker 1 See, why do you say that? Huh? See,

Speaker 8 because I've had like three people who I went to high school with say they moved to D.C. and they're going to be at the game.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 17 Huge.

Speaker 1 All right, so four, at least four Panthers fans confirmed there. That we know of.

Speaker 9 I loved watching the game on ESPN. I don't know what the hierarchy is for all the NHL, the RABID fans out there.

Speaker 9 You probably, from what I gather, you like listening to your home broadcast first and foremost. And then there's probably some national announcers that you like, some that you don't.

Speaker 9 The guys on ESPN 2, I don't know who they were, but at the end of the game, when they broke it down for me, I'm not a smart hockey fan, but they broke it down a way that I think it wasn't.

Speaker 9 It was like even Trent Dilfer.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah, even Paul Bissenek could understand the way that they broke down the game.

Speaker 9 When it was five to three and we pulled her goalie with three minutes left, the announcer goes, all right, so what you're going to want to do here, you're going to want to score as fast as you can because if you score fast, then that gives you more time to score again to tie the game.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, you want to put the pressure on him. Yeah, you really want to put the pressure on him that you might score again.

Speaker 9 They almost did. They almost did.
We had our chances. We missed them.

Speaker 9 I'll just say it gets my Fire Fest already, which is a lot of people are saying that I jinxed the capitals. I don't believe in Jinxes.

Speaker 9 I did say when they were up 3-0, I was like, if we win this Stanley Cup and the next Stanley Cup, does that count as a dynasty taking into account the 2018 Stanley Cup that they have I was just asking the question and I think it might be a debate I don't I think that's too many years

Speaker 9 you have a COVID COVID year it doesn't count and then last year Mickey Mouse with no no fans I think it does I think

Speaker 1 only because of COVID here's the problem you could make it work I think it would if the lightning hadn't won two but those are covet right but the lightning won two in that in-between so it's like tough to well that's like bubble checks like the rockets winning when the bulls weren't winning right they didn't have a you wouldn't call the rockets a dynasty no No, I'm saying I, but I would call the Bulls.

Speaker 1 That entire thing was a dynasty. Right.
Six, not three. I'm going to count

Speaker 1 three pieces.

Speaker 9 It's really three and five years at that point.

Speaker 9 Again, that's if we win this Stanley Cup and next year's Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 you're eliminating COVID year.

Speaker 9 Eliminating COVID year altogether, and then last year I'm calling it a Mickey Mouse one because certain teams did not have fans.

Speaker 1 Got it. So, yeah, I guess if we eliminate two years, then yes, it'd be three and four.

Speaker 9 Good, but I did tweet that out. You put it that way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 9 Within 30 seconds of my tweet,

Speaker 9 the the Panthers scored their first goal, and then it just never stopped after that. And I experienced the same thing that Hank did, where I just, I sat and I stared at my TV for a long time.

Speaker 1 It was actually shocking that it happened to both your teams at the exact same time almost. Where I was like, oh, fuck.
That's a price you pay for that.

Speaker 9 That's a price you pay for rooting for excellence.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Other games that we had,

Speaker 1 well, we have a new narrative that's very fun. Are the Grizzlies Better Without John Morant? I love that narrative.
You know, I love that.

Speaker 1 People are talking because they absolutely whomped the war. I've never, it was shocking to watch.

Speaker 1 It was so shocking that I watched the whole first half, and usually it's like auto-bet Warriors second half. I just went to bed.
I was like, the Warriors don't want to be here.

Speaker 1 They've packed it in. The Grizzlies are absolutely killing them.
But the stat is the Warriors, or sorry, the Grizzlies are now, I think, 21 and 6 without John Morant. Interesting.
21 and 6.

Speaker 9 That's very interesting.

Speaker 17 I still can't not bet the Warriors, though.

Speaker 9 The Warriors are going to be, as long as they have Steph Curry and Clay Thompson and Draymond Green playing, I'm going to automatically bet them.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Because I feel like they can't be this bad at shooting for this long.

Speaker 1 It was a stunning, stunning game. But I also do think, like, right, they tried to make a little push in the middle of the second quarter, and

Speaker 1 the Grizzlies stayed firm and then extended the lead. And at that point, I think the Warriors are like, this is not us tonight.
We're out.

Speaker 9 Yeah, so I think that the Warriors are that good of a team where if they think that a game is out of hand, they don't have to really try to push back from the 20-point lead.

Speaker 9 They can just say, we'll roll the dice in the next game because we're a vastly superior team.

Speaker 9 I do like the fact that John Morant, his bone bruise, was not caused by the violation of

Speaker 1 the code. No way.

Speaker 9 He just banged his knee on a separate play, and then he went back. He was like, that's a violation of the code.
You can't do that.

Speaker 9 But yeah, John Morant's probably out for the rest of the playoffs, right?

Speaker 1 I believe so, but that means they'll probably win the title.

Speaker 17 Brill football doc.

Speaker 9 Bone bruise.

Speaker 11 Contusion.

Speaker 1 Deep.

Speaker 1 How long? Medium depth.

Speaker 11 Like two hours.

Speaker 1 Jumran's a pussy.

Speaker 11 Yeah, no, like a bone bruise just like stings at first.

Speaker 1 Yeah?

Speaker 11 And then it's like, it's a bone, so it doesn't really move, so it's like not really sore.

Speaker 1 So just deal with it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bones don't move? No.

Speaker 11 Think about it.

Speaker 9 Hockey players, they play bone bruises all the time.

Speaker 11 Bones move, but muscles are moving the bone. The bone doesn't actually move.

Speaker 1 Bones break. Bones break,

Speaker 9 but they don't move. And they don't bend.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 1 But I'm moving. You're moving the bones, but your muscles are the ones moving.
The muscles are moving the bones. Yeah.

Speaker 9 So two hours.

Speaker 1 What's moving the muscles?

Speaker 11 Electro shocks, causing contractions.

Speaker 1 What about your heart?

Speaker 12 Well, it's electricity.

Speaker 9 It's polarization, depolarization of the heart.

Speaker 11 We're organic robots.

Speaker 1 Like Teslas. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Hell yeah.
Credit to us for not knowing throwing in a bonk there because that could have. We're just talking about bones moving.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's it right there. All right.
Rangers and Penguins have some bad blood, which is awesome. Need it.
Sidney Crosby out.

Speaker 9 I don't know how long he'll be out. Somebody told me that he was going to be out for like the rest of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Well, he does have concussion history.

Speaker 9 It's an upper body injury, which could be anything above the penis.

Speaker 1 I think it might have been a concussion. Maybe I'm wrong.
But it was an elbow. It felt like to the face.

Speaker 9 So Sidney Crosby is is a guy that like I begrudgingly have to admit that he is one of the greatest hockey players of all time. Very, very good.

Speaker 9 I don't, I want to root for him to be out with an injury, but like if it's his head, given his history, I feel a little bit dirty about that. So I'm just going to say I think it's his shoulder.

Speaker 16 Okay. Until proven wrong.
I think it's his shoulder.

Speaker 9 Yeah. I think he separated his shoulder, and I hope it keeps him out for the rest of his career.

Speaker 9 Now, that being said, if it's his head, I hope that he returns and makes a full recovery within the next like 12 hours and he's fine.

Speaker 9 But I really hope it's his shoulder and that he's never able to play hockey again and that he dies alone.

Speaker 1 Okay, there it is. That's perfectly put.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to our interview. We got an interview that is something very different, but very interesting.
Brian Cox, who is, what is his official title, astrophysicist?

Speaker 9 Rock star, astrophysicist. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Crazy conversation in studio. Blew our minds.
We'll blow your mind. Hit the blunt now.
Hit the blunt now. Good point.
And then we'll finish with Firefest on the other end.

Speaker 9 Go check him out on his tour.

Speaker 16 Yes.

Speaker 9 Billy and I stopped by and we stayed for like the first like hour and a half of it.

Speaker 9 It was, I looked over at Billy and he seriously had his head in his hands and I watched his mind explode when he was discussing black holes. This guy's a fascinating, fascinating interview.

Speaker 1 Yes, absolutely. All right.
So let's get to it.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, something a little different. It is Professor Brian Cox.
He is a physicist,

Speaker 1 very

Speaker 1 highly acclaimed.

Speaker 1 I actually have to tell you right now, though, up until like 10 minutes ago, we thought we were getting the guy from Succession.

Speaker 7 Do you know?

Speaker 7 I know him. Oh.
And we went out for dinner together in London about two years ago. And we planned it.
So he went into the restaurant and he said, you have a table for Brian Cox? And they said, yeah.

Speaker 7 And he went and sat down. And then just after I went in and said, you have a table for Brian Cox?

Speaker 1 They panicked because they thought, oh, no, we've given the wrong table away.

Speaker 7 So, yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you eat dinner with him? Yeah. Okay, there we go.
Both Brian Coxes.

Speaker 9 I'm just imagining the back and forth conversation at that table.

Speaker 9 You two have both very distinctive voices, but at the complete opposite ends of the spectrum where he's like screaming, you're like, oh, yes, yes, it's lovely.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he's quite gentle, though, in real life. He's not the succession character.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I was joking, by the way, we knew you were, we actually requested for you to come on the show.

Speaker 1 I was just trying to gain a mental edge because I know this is probably not going to go well for us

Speaker 1 understanding everything. But it's great to have you on.
It is a little different.

Speaker 1 I guess I don't even know where to start with a guy. All right, let me start with this.
When you go on podcasts and you go around in life, does it ever get tiring?

Speaker 1 Everyone being like, there goes the smart guy?

Speaker 7 No, I mean, it's incorrect. I always say

Speaker 7 when I go to schools or something

Speaker 7 that scientists are no smarter than anybody else. They're just people who got interested in nature.
and in the sort of big questions that we'll talk about.

Speaker 7 But it's no more difficult than learning to play guitar.

Speaker 1 Or you don't actually have to play it. Which also you're an acclaimed musician who is in a band who has two albums.
So yeah, okay. There is that.
Yeah, so that's right.

Speaker 1 It's like, look at learning the musician, which I also do.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but you know, it's about practice, really, and it's about what you spend your time doing. Sports, you know, you don't suddenly become a great quarterback or whatever it is.
You have to practice.

Speaker 7 And it's just the same as that. It's just focus.

Speaker 1 I like that because I was listening to an interview you did, and you said something similar when someone was brought up, like, oh, I've never was good at science. And I count myself in that category.

Speaker 1 Like, math and science were never my strong suits. And you said, well, that's, I don't think people can't learn.

Speaker 1 It's just practice, and it takes a little bit longer for some people, which is a good way to approach it because it does seem like at this point in our history, and we don't need to get into like too deep, but science has kind of been thrown out a little bit, and people don't pay attention to it as much, which is strange because it's just the study of reality, right?

Speaker 1 So, if you it's scary, though, for a lot of people because it is something they maybe don't understand at a deep level, I think that that's where the interesting stuff lies, though.

Speaker 7 I mean, the

Speaker 7 live shows that that I'm doing, I start with just a quick tour of the universe. And so I say, you know, this planet is one planet around one star amongst 400 billion stars.

Speaker 7 So in our galaxy, the moment you said that, 400 billion stars, that's a challenge. And nobody can visualize that.

Speaker 7 And then that galaxy is one galaxy amongst two trillion galaxies in the piece of the universe we can see. And we are very sure the universe extends way beyond that and could be infinite in extent.

Speaker 7 And even that, we think that our universe might be one of an infinite number of universes in a so-called multiverse.

Speaker 7 That is challenging. Yeah.
Yes, it's very challenging.

Speaker 1 That hurts me.

Speaker 9 My mind is rebelling against the words that you're saying right now because it's almost too big to comprehend. Do you have to, like, how, can you even comprehend that?

Speaker 7 Or at some point, it just becomes all theoretical and you have to, like, disassociate yourself from thinking about the reality of the fact that we are so infinitesimally small that, like can your brain actually understand how small we are or is it just like words that you say at this point no i i don't think anyone can visualize even the 400 billion stars right the the little bit the little island that we live in the milky way even that you know it takes light 150 000 years to cross it traveling 186 000 miles a second you can just keep the i don't think anyone can visualize those numbers but what you said though is really interesting that you there's a difference between being able to visualize it and then getting annoyed because you can't

Speaker 7 make sense of it.

Speaker 7 You can try to understand what it means. It does.
You're right. It means that we are not at the center of the universe and we are physically insignificant.

Speaker 7 That's a fact.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 then you have to deal with that.

Speaker 7 And that's the interesting bit, actually, isn't it? It's what you make of it. So, how do you deal with it?

Speaker 9 I mean, right now, I'm actually already considering a good comeback. I can have somebody call me short.
I'll be like, yeah, well, in the cosmic sense, you're very small, too.

Speaker 7 Yeah, exactly. So we're equally insignificant.

Speaker 7 I think

Speaker 7 the other side of it is that if you ask questions about life in the universe, and particularly complex life, intelligent life, things like us, a civilization, I think there's a good argument that there might be very few of those.

Speaker 7 And actually, there's a reasonable argument we might assume there's about one per galaxy on average at any one time, which means that we are it.

Speaker 7 So interestingly, notwithstanding our physical insignificance, we might be tremendously valuable at the same time.

Speaker 1 So you're saying our narcissism is actually like well-founded?

Speaker 7 It may well be. I mean, the astronomers have a name for it.
They call it the Great Silence, which is that

Speaker 7 it seems surprising, given 400 billion stars, and most of them have planets, so there'll be trillions of planets in the Milky Way.

Speaker 7 It's been around for pretty much the age of the universe, 13 billion years.

Speaker 7 You would expect there to be other civilizations

Speaker 7 way ahead of us. And you kind of might just naively expect to be able to see them.
But, you know, and then some people are watching this.

Speaker 7 They'll go, well, yeah, we can see them because they come down and

Speaker 1 put crop circles down and things.

Speaker 7 But given that we ignore that

Speaker 7 because it's not true, in my view, then

Speaker 7 the scientific evidence is we haven't seen anyone.

Speaker 7 But that is a problem.

Speaker 7 It's a challenge, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because a lot of people, I think one of the biggest problems right now that we have as a society is a lot of people, they just question all science and facts because they think that everything is almost like a conspiracy theory against them.

Speaker 1 How do you go against that? How do you go against the people right now that are basically saying, I don't need science. I can, you know, read a Facebook message and be like, I've done my own research.

Speaker 7 Well, they can. And then you ask them, how are you reading the Facebook message? Right.
On what?

Speaker 7 Right, right. On a device that's basically at the fundamental level based on quantum mechanics because the silicon and things in there operate in a quantum manner.

Speaker 7 And so you're using actually well over 100 years' worth of scientific knowledge in order to read your Facebook page.

Speaker 1 That's a good response, yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, it's the same with people.

Speaker 7 I heard it once, someone tweeted, I don't need this GPS, the GPS satellites and all that things because I've got my iPhone.

Speaker 1 You go, well, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know how that map works.

Speaker 7 But I think that's it's it's important. I mean, it's kind of amusing, but it's important.
My great hero, Carl Sagan, is one of my great heroes.

Speaker 7 And he wrote a book called The Demon Haunted World, which is a brilliant book, which is back in the 80s, he wrote it, or early 90s, before a lot of this sort of tension.

Speaker 7 But he pointed out that we live in societies, whether we like it or not, that are based on science.

Speaker 7 It's one of the pillars of our society. And we all use it every day, medical science, and we go on aircraft and we have our iPhones and whatever it is.
And we're also a democracy.

Speaker 7 And if a large number of citizens not only don't really understand the basics of that foundation, but distrust it, that's a problem for democracy itself.

Speaker 7 As you kind of allude to, if you have people who don't believe our best

Speaker 7 answer to a sensible question, like for example, what will happen? It's a good question. What will happen if we keep burning fossil fuels at the rate we do? Right? That's a sensible question.
Right.

Speaker 7 Well, the answer is it's very complicated, but given the best, to the best of our ability, we use the models that we have and the measurements that we have, it looks like it will warm the climate up.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 7 That's the best we can do, given that the question is sensible. If you have a load of people who don't believe even that opinion,

Speaker 7 the scientific view at some time, then you're in trouble.

Speaker 7 You've seen it with the pandemic, if it's a public health crisis, and

Speaker 7 that was interesting because we saw science being done in real time.

Speaker 7 So, you go back to two and a half years,

Speaker 7 we knew nothing about this virus. We didn't even know it probably didn't exist actually in humans if you go back three years.

Speaker 7 And so, you saw us doing science and learning about it. And there are good questions: is it airborne? Or does it get transmitted in droplets? Is it good to wear masks?

Speaker 7 How do we develop the vaccines and so on? All those things are just scientific questions.

Speaker 7 And we're doing research in real time. So if people don't understand just that process of how we acquire reliable knowledge,

Speaker 12 I think the process.

Speaker 9 Yeah, the process, I think, was a real issue because there were, like, people don't understand that science is trial and error.

Speaker 9 Trial and error.

Speaker 9 You hypothesize, and then sometimes your hypothesis is proven correctly. Sometimes it's proven to be false.
And some of the hypotheses that people had were proven to be false.

Speaker 9 And that's normal for a brand new virus, for something new that we're exploring, that we're learning about. But people

Speaker 9 saw those and they thought that they were failures of science or that they were

Speaker 9 proof that all the scientists are not to be trusted to begin with. When actually what they're seeing is the scientific method playing out.
as it should in front of their eyes.

Speaker 9 But in real time, it can just like completely screw up your worldview. And you can point at that and be like, see, scientists are all wrong about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at the end of the end of the day, people just want answers. Yeah.
Like to feel good about it. You know what I mean? Because that's the scary part.

Speaker 1 That a lot of it's similar to what you said about the universe. When you start to think about it, you get scared and you're like, well, no, like, it could be infinite.
It's scary.

Speaker 1 That's a scary proposition.

Speaker 7 It's interesting to look back into the 50s. There's Robert Oppenheimer, right? So Oppenheimer is most famous for the Manhattan Project, the lead scientist on the Manhattan Project.
So he was...

Speaker 7 in part, large part, responsible for the atom bomb. And then he saw what had happened.

Speaker 7 And in the 50s, he thought really deeply about whether, kind of to paraphrase him, whether the things that we know, our knowledge, exceeds our wisdom.

Speaker 7 And he was very worried that he delivered knowledge to politicians and to society which could not be controlled.

Speaker 7 And so he thought about what is it?

Speaker 7 How can we

Speaker 7 use the thought processes that we use in science, that nature forces on us, if we're going to understand it? How can we use that in wider society?

Speaker 7 And he came to the view that the really important thing is that acceptance that we don't know everything.

Speaker 7 Once you accept that you don't know, that's the key. It's the key to it.
And then you can make progress and you can try to find out. And you're not annoyed if you're wrong.

Speaker 7 Because once you've accepted you don't know, then you're going to be wrong about a lot of things. You're happy because

Speaker 7 you now made a bit of progress and you understand something a bit better.

Speaker 7 So he felt that we need to, we can transfer that skill that we've developed in trying trying to understand nature to the wider public sphere.

Speaker 7 And it would be a tremendous, imagine, imagine a political world, imagine politicians where the first thing they say is, well, we don't really know because it's really complicated.

Speaker 7 So the best guess we have at the moment, the best informed guess is to try this. And if that doesn't work, then we'll go, okay, that's good.
Now we'll try this.

Speaker 7 It's almost unimaginable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 you're absolutely right. And it taps into human nature of wanting to be comforted with the answers.

Speaker 1 And, you know, this is now getting even deeper, which is actually good because we don't usually have conversations like this. But a lot of the reason why religion

Speaker 1 has been around for so long is people don't have the answers.

Speaker 1 And that's an answer, you know, of like, hey, there's heaven, there's hell, there's things that we can't explain are explained with religion.

Speaker 1 And so like people just genuinely, I think, wake up and just want to be told, hey, this is how it works, even though, like you said, we don't know. Yeah.
well, exactly.

Speaker 7 I mean,

Speaker 7 also, one of Oppenheimer's colleagues was Richard Feynman, who's a really, if you've never encountered him, he wrote a series of books. There's one called Surely You Must Be Joking, Mr.
Feynman.

Speaker 7 He's an incredible character, won the Nobel Prize, also famous playing bongo drums, incredible guy.

Speaker 7 And he wrote an essay, again, in the 50s,

Speaker 7 called The Value of Science. And in it, he said, science is a satisfactory philosophy of ignorance.
That's all it is. So it's merely satisfactory, and it's a philosophy of ignorance.

Speaker 7 It's again, it's based on this idea that we start out knowing nothing. But if you apply that, you know, you say, you know, how do you answer people? He says, I just don't believe this stuff.

Speaker 7 I don't believe the Big Bang and whatever.

Speaker 7 But the same processes go into designing aircraft, for example. So you very rarely get people on aircraft going sort of knocking on the door and saying, right, I am a member of a Democratic Society.

Speaker 7 I have a right to land this plane.

Speaker 1 Right, right.

Speaker 7 you know I know you're an expert you know fair enough captain but I my right I know my rights I'm gonna land it that doesn't happen yeah so people or I'm gonna design that nuclear power station I don't think it should be done like yeah so I think people do understand

Speaker 7 that there is such a thing as expertise but you're right that it's

Speaker 7 some people find it difficult when the things we find out about nature run counter to their kind of expectations or desires or the things they want to believe in.

Speaker 7 I mean, it is, you know, we don't even know if the universe had a beginning in time.

Speaker 7 We know that it was very hot and very dense 13.8 billion years ago because we've measured it.

Speaker 7 And that's what we used to call the Big Bang, right? Hot, dense universe. But we strongly suspect the universe was around before that and may have been around forever.

Speaker 7 We're actually beginning to think now that time itself emerges from some deeper theory, which we can talk about. That's a study of black holes is telling us that, which we could talk about later.

Speaker 7 But the point is that when you talk about, you know, if you dogmatically believe that you know how the universe began, we don't even know if it began.

Speaker 7 So that's the philosophy of ignorance.

Speaker 1 And that's going to stop. That goes back to what I was going to say.

Speaker 9 It's way easier to just be like, God did it in six days. Right, and then on the seventh day he took a nap, ate a sandwich, and then you're supposed to chill out on something.

Speaker 1 What do you mean, scientists? You don't know how it began? That is for a lot of people discomforting. And I know I understand exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 1 It's again, you've put us in a spot where I'm like trying to understand how time emerges. That's the thing is, like,

Speaker 1 we can talk about that. It's cool.

Speaker 9 You could be making all that up right now, and we'd just be like, wow.

Speaker 1 I always say that.

Speaker 7 That's fantastic.

Speaker 9 But what do you mean? Like, what was there when you say we don't even know when time

Speaker 9 was going on before time began? Wouldn't that be a time too?

Speaker 7 Well, that's a good point. We, we really,

Speaker 7 so

Speaker 7 if I wind back a bit, we have a theory now called inflation, which is one of our best theories. They expiding.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 Well, but it's worse than that.

Speaker 7 So the idea is that before the universe was hot and dense, it was still around, and it was expanding very quickly.

Speaker 7 And so if you take two points in that universe, let's say just, you know, a centimetre apart, whatever it is, then the distance was doubling every, in scientific language, 10 to the minus 37 seconds, which is 0.00000.

Speaker 7 It's 37 zeros, one of a second. So it was doubling, doubling, doubling.
So that's why it's called inflation. So it's worse than the current level.
And that carries on. It's like quarter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, it's like that in the 70s now.

Speaker 1 I've tried this with gambling, too. If you just like bet $25 a blackjack hand, then 50, then eventually you're going to win.

Speaker 7 It's an exponential. Yeah, it's an exponential expansion.

Speaker 7 And then that drew to a close, and everything heated up, and the energy that was driving that got dumped into the universe and that's what we call the big bang so that's called inflation so we have that theory

Speaker 7 but the study of black holes now which um really began with the simplest question you need to talk about you said to me before we went oh you know there might be some silly questions no questions are silly so stephen hawking asked what might sound like a silly question back in the 1970s which is that if you throw something into a black hole a book something,

Speaker 7 anything, then what happens to the information in the book? Does it get destroyed? Does it get banished from the universe forever? Or does it somehow come out again?

Speaker 1 It comes out on a bookshelf in the middle of Iowa. What was that movie? Oh, Interstellar.
Interstellar, yeah, that's what we learned.

Speaker 7 That's not what I

Speaker 7 we know that Interstellar. Yeah.
But actually, Kip Thorne, who co-wrote Interstellar, has got a Nobel Prize. He's one of the greatest living physicists.

Speaker 7 So actually, Interstellar's got a really that was kind of a representation of these ideas. But back 10 years ago, so we've made this huge progress now.

Speaker 7 And now we think that the information comes out again.

Speaker 9 Huh.

Speaker 9 The other side?

Speaker 7 It comes out.

Speaker 7 The black hole evaporates away. And that's

Speaker 7 Hawking's great discovery, what's called Hawking radiation. So the black hole glows a bit.
And so eventually, over long times, very long times, it'll evaporate away.

Speaker 7 And it looks now that like the information of everything that fell in is imprinted. in that radiation that comes out.
So if you jumped in,

Speaker 7 weirdly, from your perspective, you go to the end of time in the black hole.

Speaker 7 So, the center of a black hole, the so-called singularity in the middle, is the end of time, which is a weird thing in itself. So, you go to the end of time.

Speaker 7 So, one way of thinking, why can't I get out of a black hole?

Speaker 7 Because you have to go to the end of time, it's like saying, Which direction should I run to escape tomorrow? Right.

Speaker 7 So, if I say to you, I want you to run now away from tomorrow, then you can't, right?

Speaker 1 It's the same as

Speaker 1 back in time.

Speaker 1 If I keep backpedaling away, then

Speaker 9 it's never going to actually confront you.

Speaker 7 Go into the 50s.

Speaker 7 Where would I go? I'm not even going to say that.

Speaker 1 Expand the forward pass. Yeah.
That's what you go.

Speaker 1 The Chicago Bears go back in time every Sunday.

Speaker 1 They do. But yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 7 So that's from your perspective, that's what happens to you. You go to the end.
Time ends for you. But then

Speaker 7 the information that was you, the essence of you, sort of comes out again eventually, in principle, apparently.

Speaker 7 Well, according to the current research.

Speaker 7 But what that's led us to do is suspect that there's a theory below this theory of space and time. So really, you can think of building blocks of space and time, atoms of time, if you like.

Speaker 7 We don't know what they are, but it looks like somehow this experience of space and time that we have emerges from a deeper theory.

Speaker 9 Is there anything that you'd like to to discover? Because you just mentioned the, was it the Hawking effect or the Hawking?

Speaker 7 Yeah, Hawking radiation.

Speaker 9 The Hawking radiation. To get something named after you must be pretty exciting.
Do you have anything named after you?

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 7 I was trying to think of a witty reply, but I can't even think of that.

Speaker 9 So the Big Bang, the Big Cox?

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, exactly. There's a lot of potential there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 There is. There really is.

Speaker 9 I mean, if you want to get kids interested in science, having a name like, oh, before the Big Bang, it was actually the giant cocks yeah it

Speaker 1 people

Speaker 1 yeah i should work harder just for that just to give the nobel prize speech yeah with that in it think about that i have named this theory now is is that a goal like nobel prize is that something that you know we think of everything in in in sports terms like you know the goal is to win the super bowl the goal is to win the stanley cup do scientists even though we know that scientists get into you know uh their profession profession for different reasons but is there ever a point where like yeah the goal is to to get the Nobel Prize

Speaker 7 I Think I think so yeah I mean they all deny it everybody everybody gets Nobel Prize says well that's nice but I didn't do it for that reason but it is you're right it is the highest possible accolade that you can get and

Speaker 7 you know I've I've I've been lucky to meet a few Nobel Prize winners, but they all say that I did it for the love of knowledge.

Speaker 7 But then I think they're quite pleased.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. And we could, again, because we're a sports podcast, we could be like, Brian Cox, choke artist, hasn't won a Nobel Prize.

Speaker 1 Like, you haven't won a ring. No.

Speaker 1 So you got to do it eventually to cement your legacy.

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, it's hard, though. I mean, even Stephen Hawking didn't.
I think he should have done.

Speaker 1 Oh, he never won one. He's like the Dan Marino of science.
My goat, yeah. What the hell? Who's the goat?

Speaker 9 Is like the greatest of all time. Would you say, is it Einstein, or is that just kind of a basic answer?

Speaker 7 I mean, there are a few. I mean, you know.

Speaker 1 No, there's only one goat.

Speaker 1 Actually, I think it's Newton.

Speaker 1 We always, by the way, we get in whenever we have anyone on the show that is in any, you know, we just had a tennis pro on last week.

Speaker 1 Like, we always just distill every conversation to, like, just tell us who the goat is.

Speaker 9 And then we can argue about whether or not your goat is my goat.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 And then it just becomes an endless cycle of feedback. I think it's Isaac Newton.
I think Newton's got to be the goat.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go with Einstein.

Speaker 1 Even though he married his cousin, which is like, what?

Speaker 9 Isaac Newton never married at all.

Speaker 16 He was died a virgin. There we go.

Speaker 7 You might both be right. Okay.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 No, you don't get the goat.

Speaker 7 Newton was. I mean, Newton was the, so his theory of gravity, it was the first time that anyone had taken a theory of a little mathematical description of how things move around here.

Speaker 7 You know, you should throw a... tennis ball in the air or something and it goes in this path.
So, and then extend it to the whole universe.

Speaker 7 So he said, well, the moon behaves in the same way, and the earth goes around the sun in the same way. That's a huge leap.
So he was a genius. But Einstein, you're right.
I mean,

Speaker 7 his

Speaker 7 idea that space and time emerged together, and then his theory of gravity, his new theory of gravity, which replaces Newton's and is better than it's general relativity,

Speaker 7 is it still the state of the art today? So you're right, that they're both.

Speaker 7 There's a guy called, if you go, the thing is, Newton had this story, this phrase,

Speaker 7 I think is correct it's not apocryphal he said he was standing on the shoulders of giants and one of the reasons he said that is because his great rival Hook was about four feet high and he wasn't a little short guy and he hated him so so one of the reasons he said that is because of hook but he's right he did mean it as well which is that there was Galileo before him and there's there's a Kepler Kepler you might not have heard of but yeah Kepler wrote a book which is a brilliant book called the six-cornered snowflake which is this beautiful book, 1619, I think it was.

Speaker 7 And he got interested in a snowflake that landed on his arm when he was walking across a bridge in Prague, going to his benefactor's party, and he realized that he hadn't bought him a present.

Speaker 7 And it was a bad move, you know, back in 1619 to buy the rich guy that was funding you and didn't buy me a present.

Speaker 7 So he wrote this book saying, I've brought you the gift of something that's almost nothing, but is in fact everything. And he talks about the structure of a snowflake.

Speaker 7 And he thought, why are they all sort of six-sided? What is it? They all look the same, but they're all different. So what is the reason they all look the same?

Speaker 7 And then he started thinking, well, maybe it's something to do with the building blocks of the snowflake. And he's right.
It's water molecules. But he had no idea in 1619.

Speaker 7 But when you read his book, even now, you see a genius at work. And so these people that are all of this list, they're all brilliant.

Speaker 7 without a doubt. So that's why I'm not going for this single thing.

Speaker 1 But the guess it is, they all do build on each other. That's true.

Speaker 1 You still need a goat.

Speaker 9 You're saying that like Newton is Newton is Bob Cousy and then Einstein is Chris Paul. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Kind of like that.

Speaker 1 One wouldn't exist without the other. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You've got a whole team of them. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Who's the best athlete of all the scientists?

Speaker 7 The best athlete.

Speaker 9 Is it Neil Tyson?

Speaker 7 Wasn't he? Didn't he wasn't he a

Speaker 9 rough semi-is there one I will take a second?

Speaker 1 I think I could take him though. Yeah.
You could take Neil?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think so. I think, I think, yeah.

Speaker 9 What's your martial art of choice?

Speaker 1 I box.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 I reckon I could

Speaker 7 take him.

Speaker 1 Rough n rowdy? Who's your goat in boxing? Is it Ali?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, you'd have to say, yeah, when you're just watching,

Speaker 7 just the speed and skill and arrogance, which I love.

Speaker 1 We should get you boxing in Rough and Rowdy. So we have a boxing league that's amateur, just random guys, three rounds,

Speaker 1 one-minute rounds. Billy actually fought Jose Conseco.
Did you? Another

Speaker 9 mental titan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true mental titans. That would be quite something if one of the smartest guys in the world fought in Rough and Rowdy.
Yeah, I'll have a go with that.

Speaker 9 You probably wear headgear, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Got to protect the brain.

Speaker 9 I've got kind of an unusual question.

Speaker 9 If we did discover carbon-based life, intelligent life on another planet, and let's just say

Speaker 9 they came to Earth and

Speaker 9 you were put into a room with an alien from the other planet that had your exact same job and background, but on this alien planet. So there were scientists, they studied astrophysics.

Speaker 9 How would you begin to communicate with that alien life form to let them know, here's my knowledge base, I am also a scientist, but here on Earth?

Speaker 7 There are properties of the universe that are

Speaker 7 completely universal.

Speaker 7 For example, the wavelength of light that gets emitted from hydrogen atoms is a famous one. So it's something that hydrogen atoms do, that they do everywhere in the universe.
They're all the same.

Speaker 7 And the wavelength of light is 21 centimeters, so it's that long. So you can start by saying, look, this

Speaker 7 is a universal length. It doesn't matter what you call it.
We call it centimetres or inches or whatever. One cocks.
But one cocks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 So that's it. Well, that's it.
Yeah, you just expand the

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 you can talk in terms of these fundamental universal properties. Speed of light is another one.
No matter how you measure distance and time, you will know that there is this constant speed

Speaker 7 that's always measured to be the same. So

Speaker 7 you use the universal properties of the universe.

Speaker 9 So you take it if you had a piece of paper and a pencil. and you were told, okay, demonstrate that to this alien, you would draw like a 21

Speaker 9 line.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's like a baseline?

Speaker 7 It was done. So there's

Speaker 7 in the, I think it was in the 60s, so a message was sent out from the Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico, which is, which has actually just recently sort of collapsed.

Speaker 7 Actually, it was one of the iconic telescopes, but it's gone now, sadly.

Speaker 7 But Frank Drake was the astronomer who did it, and they had to think about that because they wanted to send a message out into the universe that could be decoded.

Speaker 7 And they did use the hydrogen, it's called the hydrogen line, the 21 centimeters.

Speaker 7 because once you've established a length and you need a time scale so you can that a lot of well a lot of atoms sort of vibrate in a particular way and so that they have a particular they're like little clocks and so you can say well you can have a picture one of those and say here's our clock so here's our time and here's our distance and once you've got that you can build up everything else they did it on voyager the voyager space probe they sent it out with a message to anyone that found it is this the one that had the beatles record on it it did well no it didn't have George Harrison on it because apparently his publisher wouldn't give them the rights.

Speaker 7 Oh, that's funny.

Speaker 1 And he was annoyed.

Speaker 7 He was very angry when he found that. But Chuck Berry's on it.
There's also

Speaker 1 that's a good one. But that for this,

Speaker 7 it was in the 70s, so it was vinyl, right? It was actually gold, I think, but it was basically a vinyl record. So they had to send out the instructions to build a record player.

Speaker 7 in order to play the record and they had to do all this stuff. So we ended up with the 21 centimeter hydrogen line.

Speaker 7 You play it at this speed, 33 and a third RPM or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 So we sent a bunch of aliens an Ikea box. That's terrible.
He's basically like, what the fuck?

Speaker 7 No one's treacherous to the stylus and everything because you've got to show them how to decode the message on it.

Speaker 7 And then they thought, you know, what are we going to put on it? And so Chuck Berry got on it. There's some bark, some classical music, and some pictures of Earth, images of Earth.

Speaker 7 They're worth seeing online, actually, because they're bizarre. And Carl Sagan had a lot to do with it.
And his wife, Andreanne, thought about what to put on there.

Speaker 7 What can we send out? What would be the image of Earth that we would like to present to the alien?

Speaker 16 Have a responsibility to think about

Speaker 1 it up to the millennium.

Speaker 9 Yeah, what are aliens going to know about planet Earth?

Speaker 9 I don't even know how I'd begin to even, like, the weight of that decision would be pretty hefty.

Speaker 7 There's a picture on there, actually. If you look online, there's one, and it's inexplicable to me.
And it's a guy.

Speaker 7 There's some other people, there's about three of them, and he's drinking wine out of what looks like a flower vase. So he's like drink like that.
It's like it's a huge thing.

Speaker 7 And he's, and he sat there drinking red wine out of it. And they sent that for some.

Speaker 7 So there's some really

Speaker 7 good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would be great.

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Speaker 1 Another dumb question, and this is just a basic question. How many years of school did you do? Total? uh

Speaker 7 well I um I actually left school at 18 and became a musician for five years and then dropped back to to yeah university at 23. Wow and I've kind of been there ever since basically okay

Speaker 7 but yeah I had five years off

Speaker 1 and and you you I mean your band was a good band that had you know real albums so what was your decision like hey maybe this isn't for me I I would imagine you are the only person in the entire world to leave a rock band to go back to college for physics.

Speaker 7 Almost, but Brian May as well almost did.

Speaker 7 However, he'd had more, slightly more success than me by the time he went back.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but he'd also probably done slightly more cocaine than that.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I would assume.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so

Speaker 1 why did you decide to do that? Because that's a very interesting life choice.

Speaker 7 Well, yeah, I mean, we toured for five years and we ended up, I mean, we had a fight, actually. The band had a fight and sort of split up, although it's actually still together, in fact.

Speaker 7 They're still making music now, but we kind of had a split at the time.

Speaker 9 That's Einstein or Newton. You guys were getting a lot of people.

Speaker 1 And I was going Kepler.

Speaker 7 But, yeah, but I'd got a bit sick of it. It was, you know, it's hard work being in a band.
And we were one of those working bands.

Speaker 7 Although we did, the first band, the first professional gig I played was supporting Jimmy Page. Oh, wow.
So it was quite a, when I was 18, so it was quite a sort of introduction.

Speaker 7 And then Gary Moore, and then a band called Europe. I don't even remember Europe, which is a bit different to Jimmy Page, but they, we toured for three months with them.
So it was hard work. And

Speaker 7 so I just got sick of it, basically. And then we had a fight.

Speaker 1 I like how you're like, it's hard work. And then I became a world-renowned physicist.
Well, no, it wasn't world-renowned. Extremely hard work.
At the time.

Speaker 7 But there's a story about Einstein where he used to, he gave a talk in a school and he said to them, the first thing he said to them, when I was your age, I was no Einstein, which I thought was a great thing to say.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Here's another dumb question. We've been actually debating this.
This will give you a nice little baseline about the level of intelligence of our podcast.

Speaker 9 We've been discussing this for six years, still haven't got to the bottom of it. If the sun is hot, why is outer space cold?

Speaker 7 Well, you have to understand what hot is, what temperature is. And it's not a dumb question.
It's a really good question.

Speaker 7 It took took people hundreds of years to work out what temperature is and then it's only 20th century really that everybody agrees that everything's made of atoms that's a that's astonishingly Einstein wrote a paper in 1905 which was

Speaker 7 proving or trying to really give good good evidence for the fact that everything's made of atoms so it's quite recent but temperature is

Speaker 7 in one way of thinking about it is a measure of how fast these things are moving around these little components these little atoms, how fast are they jiggling?

Speaker 7 Higher temperature, they're moving around faster. So that's one way of thinking about it.
There are other ways, but...

Speaker 7 And so in space, in a vacuum,

Speaker 7 if it's a perfect vacuum, there's no temperature at all.

Speaker 7 Because there's nothing there, right? So that's one way to think about it.

Speaker 1 So it's going to be heated up

Speaker 1 around you.

Speaker 7 Yes. So, I mean, the way that we feel heat, so why is it hot? Why do you feel hot? It's because things are bumping into your skin.

Speaker 7 So they're either the molecules of the air, or it can be light, right, that's hitting you. But it's something is hitting you, and

Speaker 7 that's what you feel as temperature.

Speaker 9 So if you're in outer space and you take your, let's say you cut your sleeves off, but you've got the rest of the spacesuit on,

Speaker 9 will you get a suntan or a sunburn from the radiation?

Speaker 7 Well, yeah, if you were close to the sun, you so wouldn't that wouldn't that you would feel hot

Speaker 7 yeah, but you'd um it's about about the amount of ultimately the amount of energy that hits you.

Speaker 7 So you'd need to be pretty close to the sun.

Speaker 7 Because we have a spacecraft now that's quite close there.

Speaker 7 Well, that's a good question because I realized when I said that. Yeah, right.

Speaker 7 I don't actually know what the number is, but it's called the Parker Solar Probe, and that's orbiting around there.

Speaker 7 It comes in very close, actually, it goes into the solar atmosphere. Wow.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 these are really good questions about temperature and energy and and ultimately to to damage you it's about energy It's how much energy hits you

Speaker 7 And so if you're in a vacuum then you're right all you've got when you're close to the Sun is the light

Speaker 7 which is not the same as being immersed in a

Speaker 7 bath of water at 100 degrees C or something like that because there's more energy hitting you then and and damaging you.

Speaker 7 So it's they're they're all that they're they're it's called the science of thermodynamics this and it's a really good question because I think it's actually I'm writing a book at the moment on black holes and

Speaker 7 there's a lot of this thermodynamics in it.

Speaker 7 And and actually I realized that I all the way through being at university and all that stuff, I hadn't really understood it properly in ju by by trying to write a book on it.

Speaker 7 So it's actually it took people there's great there's another guy, Boltzmann, there's there's a list of great names in physics who thought about just what is temperature, what is energy, what is there's something called entropy, which is the way everything's arranged and

Speaker 7 so on. So these are really good questions.

Speaker 9 We started to question it because I stumbled my way onto a conspiracy theory that the sun was actually cold.

Speaker 9 And there's a community of people out there that believe that the, yeah, that the sun is cold, which is why when you go up to the top of a mountain, you get colder than you do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just because it's because the air is thin.

Speaker 7 So given what I said, it's just broadly speaking, if you think, even if the air is the same,

Speaker 7 even if the average energy of the molecules is about the same, there's not as many of them.

Speaker 9 I was so intrigued.

Speaker 1 They're not hitting you.

Speaker 9 I was so intrigued by this community of people that believed that the sun was cold because it seems like the most possible, incorrect hypothesis that you can possibly have.

Speaker 9 And then they're going out of their way to

Speaker 9 backfill. all the information about why it's actually true.

Speaker 1 It's just fascinating to watch the human mind twist itself into a pretzel to the point where they actually think that the sun sun is cold yeah it's like the conspiracy theory birds aren't real it's the most wrong you can be about anything yeah i think yeah there's one that the birds are just robots planted by the government does this stuff when you hear that stuff do you like do you get disgusted are you like oh my god we're so screwed there are actually people who are like birds aren't real Yeah, well, if there was enough of them, then yeah, I'd be really worried.

Speaker 1 It's a growing movie.

Speaker 7 If there's only five of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, there might be more soon.
Who knows? I think that one was actually started somewhat satirically to point out that people actually believe.

Speaker 1 People actually start believing.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 the sun one is a real

Speaker 1 world thing.

Speaker 9 And then there's also one that Finland doesn't exist. I'm really into that one at the moment.
They think it's just, it's a big

Speaker 9 farce set up by the Russian government to ensure fishing rights off the coast of Norway.

Speaker 7 That's what I always think.

Speaker 7 Mainly conspiracy theories, other than being nonsense, they fall down sometimes on the motivation. Don't they?

Speaker 7 It's like, why would you spend, you know, presumably hundreds of years inventing a great fallacy about

Speaker 7 a country that doesn't actually exist just so that you can get more fish? More fish. Why don't you just go and get more fish?

Speaker 1 More fish.

Speaker 7 Just build some more fishing boats.

Speaker 1 Does it frustrate you, though, on conspiracy theories? Because, you know, we had one of the weirder moments with the Will Smith Chris Rock thing.

Speaker 1 And there were people who were convinced that it was fake, even though we watched it with our own two eyes and it was set up and all these things.

Speaker 1 And someone said something that like, it made so much sense to me.

Speaker 1 We're like, the best thing about conspiracy theories is the conspiracy theorists always put the onus on other people to prove it, to prove that like what they're saying is wrong.

Speaker 1 They never actually give like real facts as to why they're right. Does that bother you when you hear that? When it's like you, you basically get challenged at every second.

Speaker 1 And no one is really actually presenting any evidence on the other side. They're just challenging you.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, mean it becomes a problem. It's not a problem.
I mean if you've got a few people who think that the sun is cold, it doesn't really matter, does it?

Speaker 7 But it does matter if there are enough of them and they, as we talked about earlier, and they stop trusting anything. Right.
Because you have to have

Speaker 7 an accepted sort of base level. of knowledge about the world in a democracy.
Otherwise people will vote for ridiculous things. Right.
And that's bad for everybody. So then it worries me.

Speaker 7 And I think the answer is:

Speaker 7 I mean, the answer ultimately has to be education, doesn't it? It's not that people should know how old the universe is or how many stars are in a galaxy. It just doesn't matter, right?

Speaker 7 But what matters is that people have a basic understanding of how we acquire reliable knowledge and what that means. What is it? What do I mean by reliable knowledge? I mean, as you said, I mean that

Speaker 7 we understand

Speaker 7 that

Speaker 7 if you're putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere

Speaker 7 in large amounts, then it will increase the average temperature of the Earth. That's just reliable knowledge.
It's been known for hundreds of years.

Speaker 7 It's not a conspiracy, it's the way that nature works. You can see why from the chat we've had about temperature.

Speaker 7 It's about trapping energy. It's a really simple idea, really.
It's just that CO2 traps,

Speaker 7 absorbs what's called infrared radiation, which is the heat radiation that comes from the surface of the Earth. So it absorbs it.
The visible light comes through it.

Speaker 7 Visible light doesn't bother it, but visible light comes and hits the ground, heats it up, and it's the heat that gets trapped. And that's it.

Speaker 7 That's been known, I can't remember when it was, 1700s, I think, or 1800s, certainly. So it's just basic stuff.
Right.

Speaker 7 But if people start to mistrust that and then confuse it with politics, which is a whole different thing. Politics is really complicated.

Speaker 7 Politics is the idea that people have different views of how we should run countries. And that's perfectly right because it's really hard to run a country.
We don't know how to do it. Actually,

Speaker 7 Feynman, again, in that essay I mentioned earlier, said that democracy is a great example of the scientific method in action.

Speaker 7 Because in order to have a democracy, you have to realize that we don't know how to run a society. So you change it every four years.

Speaker 7 And it's actually the fact that we change it that tells us that we are free.

Speaker 7 It's the guarantor of our freedom is that you sit there and watch your country and sometimes it swings away away from you and it does things that you don't like and sometimes it swings towards you and it does things that you do.

Speaker 7 Once that pendulum, the moment that pendulum stops swinging, so you always agree with the government, for example, or always disagree, then you know that you are not in a free society anymore.

Speaker 7 So you're supposed to celebrate the fact that society is very complicated. There are lots of people with different views.
And so it's understanding those things are the things that really matter.

Speaker 1 I like that. That's a good way of saying, like, yeah, we like, instead of just shouting down people who disagree with you, like, that's, it's the scientific process at work.

Speaker 9 Confidence is good.

Speaker 7 Unless they sign the sun's colour.

Speaker 1 Yeah, then

Speaker 7 you can just go.

Speaker 9 One thing that's intrigued me is I was reading about ancient Greece a while ago, and they had this process for choosing their leaders called sortition,

Speaker 9 which would be they would put everybody's name in a hat, and then they would draw a name out of the hat. every five, six years.

Speaker 9 And then that person, completely at random, would run the entire city-state. And that sounds insane, especially when you like look around any given room that you're in.

Speaker 16 You're like, oh my God, that guy could be our leader.

Speaker 9 But the theory behind it was that it would ensure that education was extremely high because any one of these clowns could end up becoming your leader and in charge of your life in the future.

Speaker 9 That to me just seems like, it seems like the ultimate chaotic move, but I understand the process because right now I feel like education, at least in the United States, has taken a big back seat in the last

Speaker 9 20, 30 years. Seems like everyone's own pet projects and infighting at the local level has really overtaken the importance on education.

Speaker 7 I couldn't agree more. And it's quite, you know, you have to ask whether that would produce worse leadership than we have at the moment.
I'm not actually sure it would.

Speaker 7 You know, just a random choice of people.

Speaker 7 I mean, it's

Speaker 7 an old truth, isn't it, in a way, that anyone who thinks that they want to run a country probably shouldn't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. I agree with you.

Speaker 9 I've been saying that for years. Anybody that wants to be president, immediately, I do not trust you.

Speaker 9 If you grew up wanting to be president,

Speaker 9 you just want to grow up to rule everybody?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 That's a red flag.

Speaker 9 It should be somebody completely random who is afraid of having all the responsibility and is just like completely, they think that they're in over their heads as opposed to somebody that possibly thinks to themselves that, yes, I can manage this.

Speaker 1 I know these millions.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 7 what would you do or I, you know, I don't know how to run a country. So what I think my response would be, well, I better get some people who know about things and listen to them

Speaker 7 and try to sort of work out the best way of doing this.

Speaker 7 You're probably right. That's probably what a normal person would do rather than say, I know.

Speaker 1 I would do that short story, The Lottery, where they, where they pick a name every year and they stone them to death. I'd do that because that would just be thrilling.

Speaker 1 Yeah, wouldn't that be thrilling?

Speaker 9 I would also add on, my first thing would be like, I got to get these people to like me. So every Friday we're doing Pizza Fridays.
Yep. Every pizza place.
Jeans Fridays.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Jeans Friday and Pizza Fridays. Every place in America, they have free pizza.
If you just walk in, you get a free slice.

Speaker 9 And then Sunday, Sundays, where everybody eats ice cream on Sundays for free. And no taxes.
And no taxes.

Speaker 7 But you don't need to because they don't need to like you because they don't vote for you.

Speaker 1 That's a good point.

Speaker 9 But I would feel like they don't vote for you.

Speaker 1 But everyone wants to be liked.

Speaker 9 I feel like in sortition, in that process, there's a high probability probability of an angry mob coming at you with pitchforks.

Speaker 9 I feel like most of those people didn't really last the five-year-old.

Speaker 7 Oh, so your policy choices would become a kind of self-defense.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 9 Make everybody like me, please. Don't kill me.

Speaker 1 So based on this discussion,

Speaker 1 have you had like, what's the most spirited debate you've had with another scientist? Does it ever get very heated? disagreeing on things?

Speaker 7 Yeah, all the time, because that's the process. Because science, if you think about what research is, it's about operating at the edge of knowledge.

Speaker 7 It's about not being afraid of the unknown. It's about standing on the edge of the known and peering out into the unknown with excitement and delight, not with fear.

Speaker 7 So you're interested in being on the edge of the known.

Speaker 7 So when you're there, then everybody that's standing there on that boundary with you probably has a slightly different view of what you're going to find because you don't know.

Speaker 7 And that's how it works. Yeah.
So it's about robust, there's robust debate, but, and I think this is true

Speaker 7 Well, and it's certainly true for me if my theory of what was gonna happen turns out to be wrong Then I'm I am actually genuinely happy because I learned something because you you that you're in it you're in it to know more about nature.

Speaker 7 You're not in it to be seen to be right.

Speaker 1 See, this is

Speaker 1 this is foreign to like I would be so pissed if I if I had a theory and I presented it and it was just wrong. I'd be like, fuck all these people.

Speaker 7 I suppose if you do it all the time, then you might lose your job.

Speaker 1 Yeah, is there anyone who's just been wrong, like the worst picker of science?

Speaker 7 But my most, there's a thing in science called cited citations, right? It's how many people refer to your papers and use it in their research.

Speaker 7 And my most cited paper is about physics at the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva without a Higgs boson. So I wrote it before the Higgs particle was discovered.

Speaker 9 You predicted, you said one day there will be a Higgs boson.

Speaker 7 No, it was was the opposite. We said, what would it look like if there wasn't one?

Speaker 7 And so we were wrong, right? There is one. So it got discovered.
So you might think, well, that was useless.

Speaker 7 But actually, it's my most cited paper because we developed some techniques in it that were useful. to people and they still use them.

Speaker 7 So it was a successful paper, even though the premise turned out to be

Speaker 1 nonsense.

Speaker 7 There is a Higgs boson, so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 So can you explain the Hadron Collider real quick in layman's terms?

Speaker 1 Because I just remember seeing a picture of what looked like an mri machine on steroids and everyone's like this is going to blow up the world yeah well that was nonsense did it blow up the world you don't know like what if this is we're at the end of time right now having this conversation are you finding yourself learning something from us because we're kind of presenting what i would say the we're i'd say we're we're smarter than the average bear but we're very far away from

Speaker 1 like learning

Speaker 1 i don't think you thought that i mean so the lhc i mean you yeah you you pause there because you definitely are like, these guys might have actually thought it was.

Speaker 7 No, I was going to say, because it's quite a small thing in terms of the world, right? It's a little thing. It's about 20, it's 20, well, 16 miles in circumference.

Speaker 1 But you remember those articles? They're like, this is going to blow up the world.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and actually, though, so if you if you follow it through, so so what we do, what it does is it's a big sort of circle, basically, 16 miles, and we accelerate particles around it until they're going very fast, 99.999999% of the speed of light.

Speaker 7 So they go around 11, uh, they go around

Speaker 7 7,000. I've forgotten the number now, because I've

Speaker 7 11,000 times a second. I think they go around the whole thing.

Speaker 7 And then we collide them together. And the reason we do that is we want to create really high energies in a very small space.
Because if you go back towards the Big Bang, then

Speaker 7 we had really high energies. So we're really recreating the conditions that were present close to the Big Bang to see how the universe worked in those earliest times.

Speaker 7 That's one way of thinking about it. But actually,

Speaker 7 energies that we collide things at are way lower than the energies that we experience every day in things called cosmic ray collisions.

Speaker 7 So there are particles coming in from the universe with energies hundred, thousand, ten thousand, way, way in excess of those energies, hitting the Earth all the time. And they don't do anything.

Speaker 7 They don't destroy the planet. They don't cause anything strange to happen.
It just doesn't happen. So we did check that.

Speaker 1 Well, so you actually did like have hey well this is

Speaker 7 you you realize that the energies that we can create in our little machine are routinely created and exceeded by the universe and you can have a look into the universe and you see that the universe is not somehow unstable and strange things happen at those kind of energies we we know that so that's the answer so that's what it's did the answer is it's not yeah so the answer is that physicists aren't you know insane if they got a sense that doing this experiment may cause a giant explosion or destroy everything that we know yeah then you would notice you wouldn't do it right right right so so the i mean the energy actually the energy is um

Speaker 7 it's it's like a mosquito just hitting you in the face it's a tiny amount of energy actually because these are really tiny particles that were colliding together it's just that in this subatomic piece of space inside these giant detectors that we have we create these conditions that are really violent but it's in a tiny tiny amount of space the the total energy it's quite an amazing figure.

Speaker 7 So the beams of particles are smaller than a hair, than a human hair, right? It's in Diameter, when we focus them down to collide them.

Speaker 7 And they carry the energy of an aircraft carrier traveling at about 40 miles an hour or something like that. Wow.
So they're incredible energies, but in tiny, tiny spaces.

Speaker 7 And even then, an aircraft carrier going at 40 miles an hour, you can drive that into a wall and it doesn't destroy the world.

Speaker 7 So it's not that much energy in itself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so what was the big takeaway from that entire experiment?

Speaker 7 Well, it's still running, so we're learning more and more about the way the universe works.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 7 No, it's still.

Speaker 7 We did discover the Higgs particle.

Speaker 9 Okay, you found God. What is that?

Speaker 7 The God particle, it got called. But

Speaker 7 it was an idea, a theory from the 1960s, that the way things get mass, right?

Speaker 7 So if you think about the subatomic particles in your hand, like an electron in your finger, the way that gets mass in this theory is by interacting with this kind of stuff that permeates the universe, which is called the Higgs field.

Speaker 7 So it's literally like pulling something through treacle, that's the right word, isn't it? In the US, is it treacle? Syrup, whatever you call it. Golden syrup, yeah.

Speaker 7 So it's like if you pull something through treacle, through syrup, then it's hard to pull, right? It's got kind of inertia

Speaker 7 because it's going through this stuff. That's the way that fundamentally we think that things get mass.
And so ultimately the reason why we exist, right?

Speaker 7 Because if everything, nothing had mass, we wouldn't exist. Right.
So it's a fundamental theory about the way subatomic particles behave.

Speaker 7 In the 60s, developed mathematically, and ultimately, we discovered the Higgs particles, which are the things that make this

Speaker 1 whole thing go

Speaker 7 as the universe. So it was a remarkable discovery.
And that was one of the reasons it was built.

Speaker 9 I've got kind of a theoretical question for you. Do you think, given your background in studying physics and particles and how everything was set into motion billions and billions of years ago.

Speaker 9 Does luck exist?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 7 again, it's a brilliant question because there are properties of our universe, like the strength of gravity, for example, that just seem to be the way the universe is.

Speaker 7 And if you change them a bit, then you end up with no stars or no galaxies, or certainly no life. And so it's a good question.
It's like, well,

Speaker 7 what does that say about our universe and the way it's configured? There are theories that say there are actually a lot of universes.

Speaker 7 So there are actually billions, trillions of universes, all with slightly different values of all these things like the strength of gravity.

Speaker 7 And so we are then, in a sense, lucky, but the better way to say it would be we live in the universe that allows us to exist.

Speaker 7 But there is a sense of luck in that they all vary. So every possible combination is realized.

Speaker 9 That's called the multiverse so if every if every particle that we know was expanding at you know beyond the speed of light then everything that has been set in motion since that point was already determined from the energy that was used at the start of our known universe and so do you really even have free will or are the molecules in my brain that are firing just a result of everything that's already happened in a predetermined path before me?

Speaker 7 Well, this is an even better question because so one of the big problems with black holes that initially we thought that they destroyed information if they destroy information then what you said it's called determinism doesn't apply because what determinism is which is what you said is if you knew everything about everything everything the way everything was moving around at some point in time then you can predict what it's going to do in the future and predict what it was doing in the past and that's what the laws of nature are like But then if you have these things in the universe that destroy information, then you can no longer do that.

Speaker 7 So, for a long time, it was thought that black holes were destroying the foundation of science in some sense, because they were stopping that from being true.

Speaker 7 Actually, now, as of the last couple of years, we think we have a really good understanding of the fact that they don't do that.

Speaker 7 Remarkably, even though they're things from which nothing can escape, it seems that ultimately, over long periods of time, all the information does come out again.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 7 determinism is.

Speaker 9 If you can find

Speaker 9 that giant roadmap out there

Speaker 9 in principle. In principle,

Speaker 9 if you were able to establish determinism and see all the information possible, you could know whether or not you should hit on 16

Speaker 1 in blackjack.

Speaker 9 Got it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, in principle. It's very much in principle.
Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 7 In practice, we've got no chance.

Speaker 9 So along those same lines, like, you know, you study quantum physics. Quantum computing is something that I've heard about a lot recently,

Speaker 9 mostly in kind of a fear-mongering way, where it's like quantum computers will get so strong that eventually the artificial intelligence that they'll produce will be able, they'll try to destroy itself.

Speaker 9 They'll try to destroy everything that we know. Is that something that you ever like wake up at night in a cold sweat thinking about? Like, oh no,

Speaker 9 quantum computing has gone too far.

Speaker 7 Well, I mean, it certainly hasn't yet, because they're really primitive quantum computers that we've got at the moment. But they're really interesting.

Speaker 7 And actually, not to keep talking about black holes, but the same ideas that we're understanding how the information gets out of black holes are very similar to the ideas we use in quantum computing.

Speaker 7 And in some sense, the universe is beginning to look like a giant quantum computer in the way that it works. That is not to say that we live in a simulation.
That's my next question.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it really isn't because we just don't know enough.

Speaker 7 It's just, to me, it's just an irrelevant question.

Speaker 7 But what is interesting is that

Speaker 7 the the it physics has become about information in the in the 21st century um and and so it really is the case that the this

Speaker 7 the I'll give you this example which no one really understands yet because this is 2020 2021 physics right

Speaker 7 but you might say well in that Hawking radiation that comes off the black hole and carries this information how does it carry the information and what we've learned from black holes is that it's called the holographic holographic principle, right?

Speaker 7 So, this room now, in a sense,

Speaker 7 it seems that everything that's going on in the room can be perfectly represented by a quantum theory that lives on the walls. So, the universe appears to be, in some sense, a hologram, right?

Speaker 7 It's got a fancy name, it's called the ADS-CFT correspondence, you can look up online. But basically, we've discovered that

Speaker 7 you can characterize everything that's going on in a region of space by a theory that just lives on the edge.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 the coding between the two, the sort of dictionary, as people call it, looks very much like the coding you have to use in quantum computers to write quantum algorithms and they do error correction in the memory of quantum computers and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 So it's interesting that it seems to this is the lower level I was talking about of space and time. Because space and time don't exist in the theory on the walls.

Speaker 7 The interior for being

Speaker 1 Sounded a lot like simulation guidance.

Speaker 7 Well, they go too far because I've read, you know, I read there's an article in Wired, I think, the other month that said this.

Speaker 7 Someone sent it to me on Twitter, where someone was just claiming this kind of discovery is suggesting we live in a simulation. The answer is, we don't really know what's going on at the moment.

Speaker 7 You know, it's really cutting-edge physics.

Speaker 7 It is interesting that there's a way of describing the way the universe works using information theory rather than what we call forces and you know normal physics. But that's all it is.

Speaker 7 It's really interesting. We don't really understand what's going on at the moment.
And then I tend to stop at that point.

Speaker 7 My instinct is to go, we don't, we, by we, I mean, the greatest physicists in the world don't really have a picture of this. It's interesting stuff.

Speaker 7 And then you just put a stop. You go, all right, stop now.
Yeah. So I'm not going to go, therefore,

Speaker 7 there's a teenager in an extra dimension with a really powerful computer who's coded us all in, and we have version 18,000 point six of The Sims. That seems to me to be quite elite.

Speaker 1 Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 9 The smarter somebody is, the more likely they are to say, like,

Speaker 9 I don't get it.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's like saying,

Speaker 7 are we alone in the universe? You know, are we alone in the Milky Way? At the moment, we don't know.

Speaker 7 That's why we've got a rover on the surface of Mars as we speak, taking samples in an ancient river delta. It's called a Perseverance rover.

Speaker 7 It's going to send the samples back and we're going to analyze them. And the reason we're doing that is because we don't know whether there's life on Mars or not.

Speaker 1 So that's it. So at the moment,

Speaker 1 I mean, this stuff is fascinating to me. So

Speaker 1 you got to go in a second. I have one last question, but I do have to say, I read an article where you were quoted as saying you were in a meeting once.
It might have been with politicians.

Speaker 1 I don't know. But you basically

Speaker 1 left the meeting and you said that they didn't like you because you were intellectually aggressive.

Speaker 1 And I just thought that was like the funniest way to put that like they I was just too smart and they just didn't want to hear it. I heard that.
Intellectually aggressive. I wasn't.

Speaker 7 All I'd said is, like, you know,

Speaker 1 you're trying to fight, bro.

Speaker 7 You're trying to fight? All I'd said is they probably asked something, and I just said, well, no. Yeah, right.
You know, we said, it's a sudden cold. No, it isn't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. It's like, I know.
What do you? That's it. You want to take this outside?

Speaker 7 It's like, well, some people think it is. Well, okay.

Speaker 1 I don't care. Intellectually aggressive.
Intellectually aggressive.

Speaker 12 At the edge of knowledge.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's great.

Speaker 9 You like being a scientist sound pretty fucking metal.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I liked it.
I just, I saw the quote and I was like, oh, that's fucking awesome.

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Speaker 1 To go in a few minutes, but Billy, who's been sitting here and been doing a great job of being

Speaker 1 quiet because I could see his face. He wanted to hop in many times, but now this is, the robot question is essentially, Billy, in we have like six, seven more minutes.

Speaker 1 It's your. The floor is yours.

Speaker 1 This is really a meeting between two intellectual titans because every time we talk about conspiracy theories, we're literally talking about him. And we've already agreed to this.

Speaker 11 My question is, sorry if I'm mispronouncing some of these words, I've only read them. I had a lot of questions about the Hadron Collider and the CERN Center.

Speaker 11 And we covered a lot of that earlier, but I gotta ask, what was up with that hoax video that came out in 2016? Do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 12 Which one?

Speaker 11 There was a video that was claimed to be from the CERN Center with a statue of Shiva.

Speaker 7 There is a statue of Shiva there.

Speaker 11 Yeah, with a bunch of people crowding around in robes. And apparently, some of the scientists there did a prank on everyone who thought it was conspiracy by like staging like a weird ritual before.

Speaker 11 Do you know anything about that?

Speaker 7 I didn't know, but it sounds quite plausible because we like, you know, in English, in the UK we say in English. I know you speak English.

Speaker 7 In the UK we say taking the piss, right? So scientists like to take the piss. So that was just like

Speaker 7 surprised that was like monty python like british humor right i think you know i'm gonna tell you a story and i know we only have seven minutes left but my python story is that um um eric eidel when when when they did the live shows at in london eric heidel called me and said do you know stephen hawking and i said yeah i i sort of know stephen a bit and he said will you invite him to do a sketch And so I sent him an email and Stephen responded really quickly and said, yeah.

Speaker 7 And the sketch was that I,

Speaker 7 because I'd been arguing with Eric about the galaxy song, which I said was inaccurate because it's got all sorts of numbers in it, which we've now shown to be, we've got better numbers, right?

Speaker 7 So I said, the galaxy song is all wrong. And so I was explaining this on the banks of the river.
And then, so we went down to Stephen's office and we talked to him all day.

Speaker 7 And the idea is I'd be saying, after the galaxy song in the live shows, I'd be saying, well, it's just wrong. It's nonsense.
It's just,

Speaker 7 you should know the Earth.

Speaker 7 The Earth doesn't orbit the Sun in a circle. It it goes in an ellipse and all these things.

Speaker 7 And as I'm saying that, Stephen comes flying up in his wheelchair and knocks me to the ground and says, I think you're being pedantic. And then he starts singing the galaxy song.
So we did it.

Speaker 7 So we filmed it and did the whole thing for the Monty Python live. And then at the end, I was leaving after the whole day with Stephen Hawking.

Speaker 7 And Eric said to me, We kind of wasted that, didn't we? Because we just spent the whole day messing about. We didn't ask him anything about the cosmos and the universe.

Speaker 1 The whole day.

Speaker 7 And we just did a silly sketch and it was the most python-esque thing you can possibly imagine doing wasting your whole day alone with Stephen Hawking just to get him to knock me over and say one line I love that

Speaker 11 all right what's your you got one more uh when you were talking about information being lost in the black hole were you saying like even though the book contains information like you may read a book and know a story or know a concept are you saying that when the book goes in the black hole that concept that we experience in in our brains then goes into the black hole with it?

Speaker 7 No, you're just saying that so if you burn a book, then in principle, it goes back to what you said about determinism, then you could, if you collect everything that came off, all the ashes and all the gas and everything, if you could measure it all perfectly, then you could reconstruct the book.

Speaker 7 So you reconstruct, literally reconstruct the information in the book. And it seems now that's what happens in black holes.

Speaker 7 So you throw the book in, and then at some point in the distant future, you could collect all the Hawking Hawking radiation that comes off and reconstruct the book.

Speaker 1 That was a great way of explaining it because now I totally understand what you're saying.

Speaker 11 Yeah, so the information is in the information of the construct, not like actual information.

Speaker 7 Well, it is everything. I mean it is everything.
So if you went into the black hole, then it would be that

Speaker 7 some sufficiently clever super advanced civilization, if they could collect all the Hawking radiation and put it into some quantum computer, would actually reconstruct you.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's not clever for the aliens if they're like, let's reconstruct this radiation and then just Billy showed up. I mean, I've got some,

Speaker 1 have we ordered dinner yet?

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's not a billion year project that they can put all their effort into it and build a concert.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Well, we appreciate it so much, Brian.
This has been awesome.

Speaker 1 You're welcome back anytime, anytime you're around or want to come on, because this has been truly like something totally different. Yeah.
A lot of fun.

Speaker 9 I've got a million more questions I could ask you right now you're always welcome back on

Speaker 7 I'll come straight back I I did it someone the other week actually I'll tell you I'll tell you it was I'm gonna name drop can I name drop it was Conan right and and I I was at a party a few months ago and he was there and he said that he said oh you should come on the podcast and I said okay I'll come on a Monday and he went no you're not that's not you're not supposed to do that yeah you're supposed to say my people will talk to your people and that's not how this business works and I said no I'm only here till Monday so so I did so I went so he managed to arrange it so I could go on a Monday.

Speaker 1 So don't invite me back.

Speaker 7 Because I will say, okay, well, I'll go.

Speaker 1 But we do it reverse.

Speaker 7 I've got my diary now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we do it reverse. When someone comes on once, they're a recurring guest.
And so then they have to come on anytime we ask.

Speaker 1 So we have you now contractually, we might call you tomorrow. I signed it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So we reverse that on.

Speaker 9 We'll get rid of the middleman and we'll just give you our number.

Speaker 1 And then we're just going to text you and be like, hey, Brian, you in town? Yeah. Come shoot the shit.
But yes, it's been awesome. Thank you so much.
We really appreciate it. Thank you.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up. We got Fire Fest of the week.
Send everyone on their way for a nice weekend. Weather's getting nice.
Playoffs, everything. Playoffs.
Hank.

Speaker 1 I don't have much. Pretty...
Pretty normal week for me. Good.

Speaker 9 Just everything. A lot of drama.

Speaker 1 No, yeah. Everything's smooth.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just, you know, corporate life just did a bunch of meetings you know nothing crazy it does suck that i can't make fun of you for waking up late anymore because i know you're up all the time now yeah i'm getting up working out in the morning yeah damn i tried to call hank the other day he's like i'm at the gym fuck that's sick i was trying to text on my uh apple i mean i'm an apple watch guy now too yeah it is nice being apple watch guys have you considered being a briefcase guy

Speaker 1 that would be cool

Speaker 1 mr ice that'd be a mr ice move it's a power move i think it's always a power if you handcuff yourself to a briefcase well mr ice walks around with a briefcase that has like a that's like the

Speaker 1 dodgeball scene where he opens the briefcase and there's just one stack of bills in it. Yeah.
Like he carries a briefcase around with like $5,000.

Speaker 1 The wallet could easily handle. Yes.

Speaker 1 No, but yesterday I was, this is a literal Fire Fest. I was walking to the train station to the path

Speaker 1 and I had my AirPods in and a fire truck. Literal fire.
It was like an EMT. It wasn't, it looked like an ambulance, but it was a fire,

Speaker 1 you know, NYPD vehicle. Billy knows what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 Had its sirens on behind me, and I kind of was like not paying attention.

Speaker 1 And then a lady tapped me and was like, hey, and I took my headphones out, and she points to the fire truck, and it was an EMT like screaming my name on 6th Avenue, being like, Hank, Team Hank, with his buzzers on, and everyone was just looking at me, like, what, what is going on?

Speaker 1 He's like, come here.

Speaker 1 It was just, it was a scene, and I was just like, this is a fire, this is a fire fest.

Speaker 1 I have the fire department tracking me down to like scream my name. It was a lot.

Speaker 1 But kind of, I mean, this has to be your number one loved week of all time. Yeah, I will say, you know, it is nice.

Speaker 1 Like, it's one of those things where if it was up to me, none of this ever would have happened. Agreed.
Although, if you, you know, the top rated thing, whatever.

Speaker 1 But it is nice, you know, getting the support from your friends and people.

Speaker 1 Like, obviously, everyone struggles with self-confidence issues, so knowing that you have that love and support from everyone is nice. And I appreciate everyone that reached out to me.

Speaker 12 You basically, like,

Speaker 11 laughing at you right where you're like, no, I'm laughing because because I saw online someone was like, someone thought it wasn't Hank, but Frank they were talking about.

Speaker 1 So they were like,

Speaker 1 this guy.

Speaker 11 It was a joke in my head. It made more sense.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
Sounded sick.

Speaker 1 We should get a storyboard, maybe.

Speaker 9 I would love to be in Billy's head.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a scary place. Seems awesome.
Scary place.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you basically got eulogized without dying. Yeah.
Like, everyone, like, that was a good thing. It was like the Tom Brady thing was like basically a make-a-wish situation.
Now I'm just like,

Speaker 1 my my girlfriend started dating someone else. My ex-girlfriend started dating someone else.

Speaker 9 You know what? There actually should be a make-a-wish program, not for people that are sick or dying, but for people that are just like down.

Speaker 9 Just like if you get broken up with, there should be a website like a cameo for celebrities just to be like, hey, I want to give you a pep talk. You look great.
Keep hitting the gym.

Speaker 9 Everyone loves you.

Speaker 1 I mean, if I was really going to get into it, I would say that, and this happened when we broke up to where I was like, I don't want to see shit.

Speaker 1 And then I get all these people, and they're in good nature, they mean well,

Speaker 1 but they reach out to me with their stories and it just depresses me even more and i'm just like that's brutal like i'm not i don't feel as bad as you're describing right and like what your situation sounds way worse than what i'm going through but it's just like that sucks and then i get a bunch of those messages because they're like trying to relate and be like yeah man like this happened to me too blah blah blah and it's like that's super depressing like don't want to read that i want to respond and be like yeah you know let's get through this together bro so if you have reached out and i haven't responded that's why yeah all right but appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah.
I appreciate everyone that reached out. Feels good.
Hank for life. We love you, Hank.
Love you guys, too. Yeah.
PFT?

Speaker 9 Well, really, my Firefest is that

Speaker 9 I'm deathly fearing the fact that Jake is going to just be laughing in my face in my own hometown.

Speaker 1 Rubbing his titties in your face.

Speaker 12 Rubbing his titties in my face. It's going to happen.

Speaker 9 And that it's going to be

Speaker 1 motorboating. He's going to be motorboating.
He's going to titty fuck you.

Speaker 12 It's going to be like, yeah.

Speaker 9 It's going to be like getting pegged by Lisa Simpson.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's going to get you. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it is the scariest person to go to a game when your team can be eliminated in his camp.

Speaker 9 Yeah, he's like that movie, The Ring, when Jake shows up next to you, shaking your hand, being like, I'm just rooting for a good game for both teams.

Speaker 1 That's like I'm going to die. Because

Speaker 8 I'm not the biggest Panther fan of supporting the hometown team.

Speaker 16 He's already doing it.

Speaker 1 This is the worst.

Speaker 1 This is the worst. I know, I hate it.
This is the worst. Because everything that Jake says, he thinks he's being super polite.

Speaker 9 And he is being super polite

Speaker 1 in his own brain.

Speaker 9 But it is, I want you, I want you to hate me.

Speaker 1 That's the thing.

Speaker 8 If the Panthers lose the series, I'll be like, all right.

Speaker 1 Stop. If the Canthops lose the series, stop.
Jake, stop. But I'm being dead serious.
I know. I'm not trying to join you.
You know, I'm making it worse. We know.

Speaker 1 One other, I'll say this.

Speaker 1 I mentioned this in the group text, but a post-mostly Firefest that I was kind of laughing about and like, you know, post-mostly, like, the best in the office clip, like when that happened, because I think it was the anniversary this week or something.

Speaker 1 That was like also the week that me and Rhea basically broke up privately. Like, we didn't say anything for a little while.

Speaker 1 So that happened, and then the best in the office thing happened, and I was just getting destroyed. So, I was like,

Speaker 1 I was, I was in a bad spot, and everyone was like, Oh, you're in a bad spot because of Jake shitting down your throat. And I was like, Not only that, but and I couldn't even talk about it.

Speaker 1 So, that was like a

Speaker 1 for context, that was a bad week for me. There are some people who are like, Oh, big cat, you went too hard, and it's like, but I also am very close to Hank, and I know he was down bad for a while.

Speaker 1 Like, it was, you know, it wasn't fun. No breakups are ever fun, right? Ever, right, no matter what.

Speaker 1 They just aren't.

Speaker 9 I just remembered my other part of that same Firefest is that Marlin's Man is also actively troubling.

Speaker 1 Oh, he keeps actively.

Speaker 9 I'm being actively engaged from all angles by Marlin's Man. He keeps sending memes to people close to me.

Speaker 3 He's reversing your memes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's texting me reverse memes and being like, please send a PFT.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it's the meme that I put out of Kodak Black doggy styling that chick at a Panthers game where I put caps on Kodak Black and then Panthers on the poor girl.

Speaker 9 And then he's just reversing it, creating the meme to be about me and the capitals, and then texting it to the people I'm closest with asking them to share it to me correct he has not contacted my mom no not her brutal all right my firefest is I just keep losing my voice I got to do something about it I gotta just not I just gotta I gotta start treating my voice like

Speaker 9 like a quarterback treats his arm or like Adele treats her voice yeah gotta start drinking tea and honey

Speaker 1 the travel the lack of sleep two kids all the stuff I need to like just start being like all right my voice is going stop talking like don't you know rest it so i gotta load management pitch count yeah i did i was whispering last night and my son was like why like he started whispering back but it was very bizarre how many words per day do you think you speak it's it's crazy because i was thinking about i was like i'm losing my voice i lost my voice this week and i was thinking about it because it makes sense red eye you know vegas doing a like the live a five-hour broadcast all that

Speaker 1 And yeah, when you add it all up, it's like, oh shit, like show after show after show. So I got to just do a better job.
And I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.

Speaker 1 I know I've said this before, but I'm going to do it. Sorry to everyone who had to listen to me sound like I was dying on Wednesday's show.

Speaker 11 So on Monday, I got back to the East Coast from Vegas at 7 a.m. was running on about like three hours sleep.

Speaker 9 How was your Saturday?

Speaker 11 It was Saturday was sick, dude.

Speaker 1 So we went to the I started a blackjack.

Speaker 1 That's like a normal question. No, not on a Tuesday.
Not on a Tuesday. That's Thursday.
Not on a Tuesday. It's got a great Saturday.
You're doing the fun stuff. Not on a Tuesday.

Speaker 1 How was your Saturday?

Speaker 9 I love that Billy actually, like, it's totally normal and acceptable for him and his life to go around all week every day that's not a Saturday. Just talk about what he did on his last week.

Speaker 11 Yeah, Saturdays are the best day. Yeah.

Speaker 11 That's when you really have enough time to go do cool shit.

Speaker 16 With the boys.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 11 So I got back, and I was like...

Speaker 1 I kind of would take Fridays over Saturdays, but that's just me. I also have a very good

Speaker 1 Friday. We have to work on Sundays, and Fridays just, there's no better feeling than Friday after lunch.
There's just, it feels like the weekend is forever.

Speaker 11 But like you can get up to excursions on Saturday.

Speaker 9 You can go for adventures on Saturdays. Yeah.
Day trips. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm also counting this as someone who has two children, so Saturdays are a lot for me. Okay.
Now, but yeah. I think that's even in general.
Even in general. Well, how was your Saturday? What?

Speaker 1 How was your Saturday? The upcoming one? Last one. It was fine.
We did the canal fight. You were with me the whole time.
Yeah, it was a good Saturday, right? Yeah. Total excursion.

Speaker 7 Totally normal question.

Speaker 11 So I got back and I was like, we were with each other.

Speaker 11 I was beat up from Vegas. I was like, I got to do something to correct this.
So I decided to drop myself off about six miles from my house and just was like, you got to get to your house.

Speaker 11 And I just literally had an exorcism running the six miles to your bags?

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Like, well, this was in the afternoon after I came into.

Speaker 1 I was not your bags.

Speaker 11 Well, I had one backpack. Backpack.
Yeah. So then I was like, I was like forced into

Speaker 16 exercise.

Speaker 1 So you just walked home?

Speaker 11 No, I ran

Speaker 11 excursion, and it was just like an exercise.

Speaker 1 Over the river?

Speaker 11 Well, I dropped myself off somewhere over the river, and then I ran five miles.

Speaker 16 I like that.

Speaker 1 So you just went for a run. You just decided to do it in your pants and a backpack.
How are you not talking about your pants, by the way? Yeah. Like, how is this not your fire fest? My pants.

Speaker 1 You just keep getting them ripped off. Yeah, well, my pants are

Speaker 1 counting hard, bro. Yeah.

Speaker 11 I'm going to get one of these days. I'm going going to get one of you guys with the pants.

Speaker 16 No, you're not. I highly doubt that.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 I think this is, we were talking about this day because, like, everyone has to come in. Like, guests need to start ripping your pants.
It needs to be your version of hot ones.

Speaker 11 I'm going to start ripping other people's pants.

Speaker 9 Your hot ones is going to be somebody comes up to you, like a celebrity, rips your pants off without you knowing, and then you just do like a three-second interview where you just react to them taking your pants off.

Speaker 1 Well, it's like, holy no, what the fuck, dude? How was your Saturday? It's the ultimate catch 22.

Speaker 1 That'll be the show title. Yeah.
What the fuck, dude? How is your Saturday?

Speaker 1 To hit your monthly quota for numbers, it's like you've made your job so much easier, but the flip side is you have to get. You have no pants.
Yeah, you have to get your pants.

Speaker 1 You hit all your TikTok goals, but you have no pants.

Speaker 9 I also like how Billy just treats, like, when he's bored, he treats the entire world like an escape room. He's like, I dropped myself off far away from my house.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then I had to find my bed.

Speaker 11 It forced me to exercise.

Speaker 1 You could have just gone for a run.

Speaker 11 Right, but that's so hard mentally. I had to drop myself off somewhere and be like, you have to get home.

Speaker 1 I actually understand that.

Speaker 17 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 Yeah. Like, he's like, you can't just run six miles on a treadmill or like around your neighborhood.
You got to just drop yourself off somewhere. And it's like, you got to get back.

Speaker 11 You have no other choice.

Speaker 1 I was going to go to the gym after the Celtics game and then they lost. I was like, I'm not going now.
But if you adjust. And that doesn't even make sense.
But like,

Speaker 1 when you're home, you find any reason to not.

Speaker 11 Or if you just drop yourself off six miles from your home.

Speaker 1 Wait, how'd you get the car back?

Speaker 1 What do you mean? How'd you get back to the car? Oh, no, he was an Uber.

Speaker 1 You drove it.

Speaker 11 I drove it to a place.

Speaker 12 He took an Uber.

Speaker 1 He just picked a random address in Uber.

Speaker 1 Gotcha. Did you have it? Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 1 All right, Jake.

Speaker 2 I love you, Billy.

Speaker 9 So two elevators in my building.

Speaker 8 One was out. I'm on the 16th floor.
Takes a while to go down. At the end of the day, I'm stuck with five people and three dogs.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. In the elevator? Yeah.
Should have been allergic to dogs for context. You should have just gone on the stairs.

Speaker 16 Downflows. Force yourself, yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I could have.

Speaker 9 It'd be a real shame

Speaker 9 if we got a special exclusive meet-and-greet with the Capitol's dog mascot, Biscuit. A real shame.

Speaker 8 Well, you guys already tried to kill me once this month.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So that's true.

Speaker 1 That's actually very true.

Speaker 9 Are you going through withdrawals?

Speaker 1 Are you clean now?

Speaker 1 Never again.

Speaker 1 Never again? I mean, there's a lot of sports that have to happen. Yeah.
Right. What about if you're born? We're definitely going to do a Wampus Cat bet again.

Speaker 8 There'd be other punishments.

Speaker 9 Would you do a Wampus Cat if it meant that your beloved Panthers won the Stanley Cup? No.

Speaker 1 Diary completely. This sucks.
This sucks for me.

Speaker 9 What about Syracuse? What if Jim Boeheim got one of the circumstances?

Speaker 1 He's literally going to win and then apologize. Jim Bohem's last drive.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do numbers.

Speaker 8 I'm not surprised by that.

Speaker 9 He's going to win.

Speaker 9 He's going to be like, I'm really sorry, PFT. I know that you wanted this.
Admitten Lati. I hate that we did it.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 If I could give this win back, I would do it.

Speaker 1 I wish you could feel this win, not me.

Speaker 9 I wish I had lost.

Speaker 11 Would you wampus cat for a broadcasting primetime gig? Yes. Whoa.

Speaker 1 Oh, there it is. Nice, Billy.
Got him. Got him smart.

Speaker 1 All right, 22. 9.
69.

Speaker 8 25.

Speaker 9 61. Turn it on.

Speaker 9 It's on.

Speaker 1 Oh. It's on.
Wait. No.
it's on.

Speaker 1 Now it is.

Speaker 1 Hank, you still haven't gotten this? Ever?

Speaker 1 13.

Speaker 9 Friday the 13th.

Speaker 1 13. Is that? Whoa.
Whoa. Whoa.
Whoa. Wait, tomorrow the 13th? Yeah.
Yeah. Whoa.

Speaker 1 The fucking witch, bro. Whoa.

Speaker 9 Love you guys.

Speaker 11 Tortoises hate the color black.

Speaker 11 Don't came away.

Speaker 11 So I don't know what

Speaker 11 to say or date anyway.

Speaker 11 Today's a mud day to find you. Shiny

Speaker 11 I've been coming for your love of kingdom. I've been coming for your love of king.

Speaker 11 Take on me. I

Speaker 11 beg your

Speaker 11 I need less to say.

Speaker 11 I've said it.

Speaker 11 Don't be stunned a little away.

Speaker 11 Run and learning, but life is okay.

Speaker 11 Say after me.

Speaker 11 It's the better to be safe and sorry.

Speaker 11 Say after me.

Speaker 11 It's the better to be safe and sorry.

Speaker 11 Things that you say

Speaker 11 isn't aloud.

Speaker 11 Let's play my

Speaker 11 reading away.

Speaker 11 You're all things I've got to remember.

Speaker 11 When you shine away,

Speaker 11 I'll be coming free to move anyway.

Speaker 11 I'll be coming behind it.