Coach K Is Done + Stanford Steve/Mark Titus Wing Date At Fat Harry’s In New Orleans

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have our good friends, Mark Titus, Stanford Steve, wing date. We recorded live from the wing place we were at.
We also have a very special time capsule for the people.

Speaker 1 We came back right after Duke UNC finished, very drunk, and we recorded a recap of that game. Instant reactions from myself, PFT, and Hank, as well as Jake.

Speaker 1 And then we got a little special Marty Mush and Rico from the Duke fan perspective. We got Who's Back of the Week? A little more Final Four talk.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to part of my take presented by Coors Light. Today is Monday, April 4th, and Coach K is dead.
RIP, our sweet prince, Coach K.

Speaker 1 He died as he lived, a loser. What are you going to say?

Speaker 5 This is like you're doing this again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, we have the time capsule coming up. People are going to get confused over

Speaker 1 the show by saying so. So

Speaker 1 we did it for the people because everyone was like, we want your instant reaction. We came back from the.
Oh, that camera just went down. Oh, my God.
There's like a ghost in here.

Speaker 1 We came back straight from the Super Dome to this room. We recorded like 40 minutes.
We don't. I was very drunk.

Speaker 1 So I don't. I heard that I kept on asking Hank for a recap over and over because I just wanted to just bask in his tears.

Speaker 1 So it might not make a ton of sense, but I think it's a very good 40 minutes of podcasting. No, I think it does make a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 I think that, like, if you can put yourself into our minds, and we don't do this a lot, we don't do a drunk podcast very frequently, only for special occasions, usually in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Big Cat's right. We did ask Hank several times to weigh in and give us his feelings.
But because we were drunk when we recorded, I forget what Hank said. So Hank, can you weigh in?

Speaker 1 Like, what are your feelings and emotions after the Duke loss? Hank is, by the way, a special type of struggling. I looked at him in the eyes even just like an hour ago.

Speaker 1 The guy, he doesn't lose.

Speaker 1 He's not a loser.

Speaker 1 Hank is a winner. His personality type is win.
Like, I know that when I lose, I just like go into just self-deprecation and just like, you know, feel bad for myself and kind of.

Speaker 1 sulk around then try to make a big bet to make myself feel better. Hank doesn't have any of these coping mechanisms.
No, he does not not know how to use it. Page buckets tonight.
He's not used to it.

Speaker 1 He's cheered for successful franchises. And I think that honestly, Duke as a university let down their most prestigious alum in Hank Lockwood.
They don't deserve to have Henry Lockwood as an alumni.

Speaker 1 If I were you, Hank, I'd burn my diploma.

Speaker 5 I might have to.

Speaker 1 You got to find it first. Honestly, yeah.

Speaker 5 Honestly, waking up today was much worse. It's one of those things that

Speaker 1 the legacy is just getting worse.

Speaker 1 I know how these things go.

Speaker 1 I know how these things go.

Speaker 5 I know how, like, every single con, like, I know Big Hat. I know PFT.
I know how much joy this brings them. I know how often Duke gets brought up.

Speaker 5 And I'm just thinking about every time Duke gets brought up going forward, like, it's just going to be brutal. And the fact that it's like new coach next year is going to be a first-year coach.

Speaker 5 He's always going to be compared against Hubert Davis, who's like...

Speaker 6 First-year coaches, you never win and you can't.

Speaker 1 So you can't expect things to get him.

Speaker 5 Right, I'd be a champion and went to the final four, be one of the all-time coaches. Like, no matter how good Shire does, it's just like, it's bad.

Speaker 1 i want to push back on something i think and the 50 50 thing is brutal i think you i think you think you know how happy i am but i'm happier than that yeah like i am way happier than that like you think i'm at like a 10 i'm at a billion happiness i do want to walk back something that we've been saying and i just said a second ago he's a loser calling coach k a loser total legacy he's completely partish but big cat i was not aware of this and i i went back this morning i watched all of coach k's press conference from last night oh it's great and i watched the final 10 minutes of the game again just so i could do a mental reset.

Speaker 1 And I didn't realize this, but Coach K was helpfully telling the reporters after the game, this team is actually, they accomplished something very rare in college basketball. They're double champions.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 They were double champions this year. And I was trying to think, what the hell is Coach K talking about?

Speaker 1 Wait, can I take a guess? Yeah. Regional and ACC? He's counting their regular season ACC championship and the regional

Speaker 1 and winning the West Region.

Speaker 1 So they are Western Region champions. Is this before or after he threw Mark Williams completely under the bus, back the bus over, then back to back over his body? That's the other note that I took.

Speaker 1 Because he kept saying in his press conference, like

Speaker 1 you can't, you can't take one player in one play and make that mean the entire game.

Speaker 1 Like, you might say you got to hit your free throws, but you can't say that because there were other times in the game where we could have made up for it and stops we could have gotten.

Speaker 1 So just because a guy maybe misses some free throws, you can't say it's his fault. In Mark Williams.
And he kept bringing it up over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 So, um, also, they did win the, I think they won the Continental Tire Championship, which is like a weekend where they invited Campbell and Army or something to their house and then beat the shit out of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that triple champions, triple champs, triple crown for triple champs. Um, by the way, we should for for

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Speaker 1 We we did do a lot of Duke UNC during the time capsule. So, and we're going to, I'm just going to predict it because we're taping this before.

Speaker 1 We're probably going to do more of it with Stanford Steve, noted Duke fan. So, it's going to be a Duke Evie podcast.
So, let's at least give some shine to Kansas for what they did against Villanova.

Speaker 1 Jake, your view from the Big J press row.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it was phenomenal. I do want to do one more little piece of.

Speaker 1 No, please. Anything you want.
No, anything you want.

Speaker 1 Jake, you have the floor.

Speaker 7 So, on Friday's show, you said closest

Speaker 1 prediction. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I was picking the winner, and they would be right.

Speaker 7 I said Duke as an attempt for a reverse jinx.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's what you're doing. Not at all.
Nope. Apology not accepted.
Are you kidding me? Why would I want Duke to win? Jake, you, Jake, Coach K is in a grave. He's six feet under.

Speaker 1 I wish you were sitting next to him. I wish you were lying next to him.

Speaker 1 I don't agree with that.

Speaker 1 I don't wish you were dead, Jake. I just wish.
You just maimed. You just, yeah, maybe just like, maybe your hand fell up.
Maybe leprosy.

Speaker 7 I have said some very bad things about Duke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that's true. All right.
Listen,

Speaker 1 I got a problem because I basically spent all of March getting my hate up, not my weight up, but also my weight is very, very high right now.

Speaker 1 So I've noticed that I need to like,

Speaker 1 after this trip,

Speaker 1 I'll stop having like, I'm very quick to be like, no, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, because the Coach K hate has been all-encompassing in my brain. So apology half accepted.
Okay. Great.

Speaker 1 So, how was the view, though? Oh, do you think Paolo Banchero should have been more aggressive in the second half? Yeah, I mean. Oh, yeah.
Sorry, we're not doing too. My bad.
My bad. Kansas Nova.

Speaker 1 Kansas was incredible.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no. Kansas is unbelievable.
Everyone's talking about how they made 13 threes, but their inside game offensively, McCormack got whatever he wanted.

Speaker 1 When they do this, it's hype. It is.
It is. Their hand on his hype mad hype.
It is hype. That's lit.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 7 he had 25 points, one of the dunks of the tournament.

Speaker 7 They just literally got whatever they wanted to on both sides.

Speaker 1 As crazy as it sounds, like I actually don't, I didn't walk away from that game being like Nova got embarrassed. It was just Kansas played their A-plus game.

Speaker 1 And sometimes when you lose one of your starters and then you go and play against a team that has their A-plus game, there's literally nothing you can do. There was nothing you could do.

Speaker 1 And the entire week, I was overthinking the hell out of it. I was going back and forth, back and forth, and who I was going to bet on.

Speaker 1 I eventually bet on Villanova because I'm an absolute turkey and an idiot and a moron. But it was

Speaker 1 like Obama. Looking at it, like I even said to myself, this is a don't overthink it game.
Stop overthinking it. And then I made the obvious overthinking choice and bet on Villanova.

Speaker 1 They just didn't have enough guys. Like it turns out that they are only actually 5D.
They have a starting five.

Speaker 1 And just, I don't know what Jay Wright did recruiting or how he's developing the rest of that team, but they are just really, really bad. outside of those five guys.

Speaker 1 And they just hit, Kansas hit every shot. Like even Nova cut it to six.
And with, I don't know, maybe like, what was it, like, six minutes left?

Speaker 1 You're like, oh, oh, maybe Nova's got a little something up their sleeve. And it's like, nope, Kansas just going to keep shooting the lights out.

Speaker 1 They were, they had definitely been the forgotten story of the Final Four. And now they get all the shine on Monday night against UNC.

Speaker 1 But it definitely felt like, you know, like, oh, I mean, I don't even think Kansas fans were mad about that because it's clear Duke UNC was everything everyone was talking about.

Speaker 1 I think they're just happy to be like, hey, no one's paying attention to this. We're just going to go win a title.
Yeah, they flew under the radar all the way to the national championship game.

Speaker 1 And I think that, I think Kansas is actually going to win. I'm going to bet on Kansas in the natty because I do feel like the UNC Duke game was UNC's national champions.

Speaker 1 It was bigger than a national championship for UNC. Yeah.
This is like a state, like an all-time crowning of the best college team in the state game. Yeah.
It's like an all-time championship.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter for this year. So I feel like it was so much emotion that got spent in that game.

Speaker 1 It's like, okay, yeah, no one's ever going to remember that Kansas won this national championship as much as they're going to remember that Coach K went out like a sad sack of shit, melting into a tiny little sad puddle.

Speaker 1 But it wasn't about him. Coach K said that afterwards.
He said it was always about the players.

Speaker 7 And he did request a Photoshop into the sunset when he and his wife were in the camp.

Speaker 1 Can you get that done for him?

Speaker 8 He said that to the media.

Speaker 1 Yo, she looked good last night. That's on God.

Speaker 1 Coach K fucks like a stallion. We know that.
We've established that. I don't think she wears.

Speaker 1 I don't think she wears underwear. Also, there was a really weird

Speaker 1 coach. I mean, I was just checking.
I can't help but. Double bonking.

Speaker 1 There was a moment where she was like...

Speaker 1 Before the game, there was a clip. It was so awkward.
She was like going and greeting all the students like she was the queen or something. Yeah.
It was like, what is going on?

Speaker 1 Like, all the students were high-fiving her.

Speaker 1 The one thing that I can say that I respect about Coach K is he picks a fine woman. Yes.
Dime pieces only.

Speaker 1 Smoke shows only in the K household.

Speaker 5 Oh, I'm looking at the list, PFT. The most recent entry was: PFT says he wants to get slapped by a girl in New Orleans.

Speaker 5 How's that going?

Speaker 1 I don't think I got slapped yet. But I did run into

Speaker 1 a relative of the last girl that slapped me in a bar here. Oh.
And yeah, so there's that. There you go.

Speaker 7 I will say this. We have to tip our caps to Michael Savarino for winning the GPA award.
Yeah. He got honored at one of the media timeouts.

Speaker 1 Was he sober enough to accept it?

Speaker 1 There was kids.

Speaker 1 This is now. we're not going to talk about Duke much more.

Speaker 1 There were actual

Speaker 1 listeners, yes, the next hour and a half is still

Speaker 1 there were actual

Speaker 1 fans in the stands, Duke fans, wearing Michael Savarino jerseys.

Speaker 1 What is that? That's that's what I kind of want to get one. I could see myself wearing like a Coach K's grandson jersey.
Ironically, now I want one.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. But yeah, Kansas was incredible.
Superdome's awesome. I mean, like the whole night, it's, it's New Orleans.

Speaker 1 We've said it before, but like New Orleans, Indianapolis, and I don't know, Vegas are like the best three places to hold events. But just everything works perfectly.
You don't have to get in a cab.

Speaker 1 You can just walk everywhere.

Speaker 1 My favorite part about like when people talk about how, like in a whimsical fashion, how magical the city of New Orleans is, they're like, you know, there's just like some magic in the air.

Speaker 1 You can't really describe what it is. No, it's just everybody is drunk.

Speaker 1 That's what the magic of New Orleans is that's in the air. Just everyone is drunk from the time they wake up until the time they go to bed at.
Yes, everyone, everyone is drunk, having a good time.

Speaker 1 And it was a great time. It was a great night.
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Speaker 1 Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today,

Speaker 1 Saturday, April 2nd, 11:20 p.m.

Speaker 1 in the city of New Orleans, and Coach Mike Shaszewski is dead. R.I.P.
Coach. Dead.
You had a hell of a run.

Speaker 1 No one can take that away from you. But you're dead, so you're not listening to this right now.

Speaker 1 I want to take the high road, if I could. Unlike Duke, who didn't shake hands.
Unlike Coach K's grandson, who would take the drunk road. Yeah.
Oh, he won an award, though. That wasn't rigged.

Speaker 1 So I want to take the high road for a brief second and just say that tonight's basketball game was an incredible game.

Speaker 1 We were lucky to see it in person. Enlisten classic.
It was an all-time game. We're going to see it probably forever.
Ever.

Speaker 1 I would actually imagine that this will be the most replayed game of Coach Mike Shaszewski's career. It might bring back ESPN Classic as a TV station just to play this.
It was a great game.

Speaker 1 It was fantastic.

Speaker 1 It was two heavyweights. They're separated by less than 10 miles.
North Carolina. Tobacco Road.
Wait, but they've met before. They've never played in the NCAA tournament.
It was...

Speaker 1 So, Big Hat, I don't know if you remember this, but a few weeks ago, Coach K's final night at Cameron Indoor Stadium, he played against UNC. Yep, I do remember.
And they schlacked him.

Speaker 1 Yep, I do remember. That was bad.
And then tonight, UNC beat Duke again. He screamed at the kids.
He screamed at the kids. It was...
Listen, it was a great game to watch. Credit to UNC.

Speaker 1 They were all over the offensive boards all night long. They seemed to want it a little bit more.
Coach K tried to work his magic with the refs. Didn't work.
The better team tonight won.

Speaker 1 I think we could all say that, but we can also say that

Speaker 1 we're going to miss Coach K. He is he's dead.
He's deceased. His legacy is tarnished forever.
It can't get worse than what happened. Well, and

Speaker 1 it's over.

Speaker 1 Hard work pays off and dreams come true.

Speaker 1 Everyone who worked their ass off to make this possible, most notably the UNC basketball team, but everyone else who hates Duke and we gave them a voice, it happened.

Speaker 1 The witch is dead. Ding-dong, the witch is dead.
I want to give you personally, big cat, a gold medal. Thank you, I appreciate it.
And the hater Olympics.

Speaker 1 You are the goat hater right now. Tonight is your night to celebrate.

Speaker 1 I also do think, though, that tonight is Roy Williams' night to celebrate walking away at the right time, naming a worthy successor instead of taking a year where he had to have everybody go around and deep throat his cock and make love to him every single night.

Speaker 1 He did not do that.

Speaker 1 He picked a good coach to take over for him. And guess what?

Speaker 1 I actually think that tonight's victory over Duke is the final feather in the cap for Roy Williams being a better head coach in the state of North Carolina than Mike Shaszzewski was.

Speaker 1 in the last 20 years. And it's the Roy Williams final because it's Kansas first UNC.
So I had two thoughts and we have Hank here. We're going to get to him in a second.

Speaker 1 I had two thoughts that are crazy thoughts, but both like I actually gave some like, oh, this could happen. One was this morning when I woke up.
I've been living in so much Duke and Coach K hate.

Speaker 1 It's been consuming me for basically the entire month.

Speaker 1 And I thought to myself, do you think if I started a serial type podcast and I did enough investigative journalism, I could make, I could get Coach K in in imprisoned for life.

Speaker 1 And I was like, that could actually happen. And then my second thought was,

Speaker 1 there's like a 2% chance that UNC puts a statue up of me in Chapel Hill. I'm not going to rule it out.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to be a total narcissist and say it's like definitely going to happen. But let's just say if I got a phone call in the next year and they're like, hey, thank you for your service.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 I did like six tours in the last week. I'm like handing out.
Yes. I'm like Coach K, handing out.

Speaker 1 I was getting in a fight with a Duke fan on the way out.

Speaker 1 He was going, act like you've been here, show some class. And I was just doing the crying face to him.
And I was like, ooh,

Speaker 1 your team lost. And

Speaker 1 it was the

Speaker 1 childish. Oh, wait, wait, wait, Hank.
Hank, we'll get to you in a second. Hank, we'll get to you in a second.

Speaker 1 Can I just say,

Speaker 1 my guy, Henry Lockwood, and I've been with him for many, many years and many ups and downs.

Speaker 1 This guy, Hank, he knows ball because in the first half,

Speaker 1 in the first half, he turned to me and he said, I love Caleb Love. He's awesome.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 I'm going to say something nice about Hank. You know ball.
You know ball. Because

Speaker 1 I don't think Hank gets enough credit. If you go back, you look at the tape from 2015.
It was Wisconsin Duke. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank kind of swallowed his Duke pride. Yeah.
And he lost.

Speaker 1 was a different time. He defeated you graciously in that moment.

Speaker 1 I just want to give Hank credit for doing that, for doing all the right things. But at the same time, I also do want to laugh in every Duke fan's face.

Speaker 1 There was this one Duke fan that was sitting the row in front of us tonight.

Speaker 1 And he flipped out after the loss was over, and he tried to fight. a UNC fan that was a row behind us.
It was the saddest fight that I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 He like halfway punched the guy in the stomach, not even like a full punch, and then like halfway like kind of hit him like in the leg and then got up in his face and was like, I will fight you if you want to fight.

Speaker 1 I will fight you. And he was trying to fight him, but he knew because he's probably a lawyer that he could not throw the first real punch that could be construed as battery.

Speaker 1 It was great to see the Duke fans lose tonight. Although I do want to say like it was.

Speaker 1 It was an all-time game. Yeah, it really was.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was an all-time game. We can all agree with that.

Speaker 1 Sports are great, and it made it even better that Coach K went out and his legacy is completely ruined, and Duke players didn't shake hands. And

Speaker 1 this is what I'll remember about Coach K. Yeah, and yo, listen, everything he's done in his entire career has been wiped away.
No,

Speaker 1 there's nothing left.

Speaker 1 We want to talk about the all-time chokes. I think tonight was an all-time choke.
Can I tell you something else that I might

Speaker 1 go to? I'm fucking scared.

Speaker 1 Didn't say a word.

Speaker 1 Can I tell you something else that I might do

Speaker 1 in a great plot twist if we're like going season two of this? I might season two of what?

Speaker 1 I might root for John Shire to become a better coach than Coach K.

Speaker 1 I might root for John Shire to have like I might root for him to have six titles and to beat UNC in the tournament and like everything to be like John Shire is tent in like never has moments like the Pete Godette never has like these terrible moments of Coach K just being a fucking asshole.

Speaker 1 It was just great. I think there's

Speaker 1 wait, hold on. North Carolina has one up Duke for eternity, and there is nothing.

Speaker 1 Eternity. Oh, John Ross.
He just walked in. That was a capital E that he put on that.
He put some stank on eternity, too.

Speaker 1 Sorry, my phone was just playing videos, my bad. I think that there's a good chance, though, that...

Speaker 1 And I know what you're saying, Big Cat, that it would be nice to have Shire take over and take the program to an elite level. I want him to be really.

Speaker 1 I want Duke and Duke fans to achieve the greatness that they deserve. And I think that John Char is the guy that can get them to that point.

Speaker 1 But I also think that there's a good chance that if they falter off the stretch, you might not have seen the last of Coach K.

Speaker 1 He might come back. Well, Roy Williams might have to go to Duke and save the program.
That would be fun.

Speaker 1 So let's hear from Hank. Let me just set the stage.

Speaker 1 On the walkout, Hank was just, he kept on mumbling to himself, this couldn't be worse. This couldn't have gone worse.

Speaker 1 He would like literally, he would start wandering away from me and I'd get back close to him and I'd just hear him being like, that couldn't have gone worse. That couldn't have gone worse.

Speaker 1 And now we've been sitting here getting ready to record. And Hank gave me a look.

Speaker 1 Like, and I know you've seen this look, PFT, where he, like, he looked me dead in the eyes and it was just like, I'm going to say some mean shit to you, like, some shit that will like hurt your soul.

Speaker 1 He's going to start playing Cat's Cradle in my face again. But

Speaker 1 let's don't do that. Yeah, you're going to do that.

Speaker 5 No, I mean, like, you know, maybe you could take a lesson from Coach K, you know, the hair, the skin gray, what his sunlight is a lot of pictures and videos.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, all right. No, I'm not just saying, I was reviewing some of the tapes from tonight, and it's like, whoa,

Speaker 1 who's this silver fox? I'll see you next time. By the way,

Speaker 1 we did have the conversation before this game. What would it be to my legacy if Coach K ended up winning the national championship? Good thing we don't have to answer that.

Speaker 1 My legacy has never been higher. People will, this will be the first line in my obituary.
I killed Coach K.

Speaker 1 I did. Yeah, a uh vet a war hero i killed him pretty much war hero

Speaker 1 pretty much war hero haters win yeah yeah no no but no no no no no no but this is the rare time when the haters are the correct side of history yes this is like if ross perot yeah was president but this is like there's there's there's losses that are bad and there's losses that the ripple effect and it's like i trust me i know big cat oh yeah he kept on saying that he goes every you're gonna have this he's gonna have this over my head forever and then as he would say that another unc fan would come up and be like, can we get a picture?

Speaker 1 And they'd be like, we did it. And I'd be like, we did it.

Speaker 5 So, Hank. Like,

Speaker 1 you know, ball, dude. You said you're like, my eyes are on Caleb Love.
Caleb Love.

Speaker 5 I bet heavily on him against UCLA. Caleb Presley, one of our good friends, one of my good friends.
I was texting him a lot about Caleb Love during the UCLA game. I was like, I love Love.

Speaker 5 I bet on him against Baylor. Love, Love.
Great player.

Speaker 5 And it was casual in the first half. We were like just talking, just going back and forth.
I was like, Caleb Love,

Speaker 1 great player. I put put it in the back of my head up.
Fun to watch.

Speaker 1 Hank is probably one of the smartest basketball minds I've ever been around. And he was like, Watch out for Caleb Love.
This guy's got big shot potential. There was a backup.
Well, he just doesn't.

Speaker 5 He has no, he doesn't give a fuck. That's what I respect about him.
The moment wasn't too big for him because he doesn't care. He just wants to fucking shoot no matter what the circumstances are.

Speaker 5 He made it Mark Williams.

Speaker 1 There was some

Speaker 1 questionable foul calls. Yes, Mark Williams.
And

Speaker 5 i will say i will say there was some questionable foul calls but the real reason they lost was the mark williams shooting missing those two free throws basically turned the game where it was like they were going from a one possession game to like a four-point game where it's like you got to play the foul game you make those two free throws caleb love 75 to a different game

Speaker 1 the balls on him to hit that shot and baycott with playing on like half a leg. Oh, dude, the guys

Speaker 1 on this guy. I'd be surprised if he was a guy.
That was walking. If you like,

Speaker 1 incredible.

Speaker 5 If you have a fucking injury injury timeout where they call a wheelchair and an ambulance on the court, you should have to stick out for more than five seconds because he was back in the game.

Speaker 1 They called the ambulance and then he walked back in the game one minute later.

Speaker 1 Hank, shut up.

Speaker 1 Do you think that Coach K burning all his timeouts to complain to refs and work the refs was a mismanagement of the game when you got to the end and he had no timeouts. UNC had three timeouts.

Speaker 1 Duke had zero. That feels like a big mistake by Coach K.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, it's hindsight's 2020, but having a lot of time.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I said actually, that's having timeouts. That's not true because I said that actually.

Speaker 1 The guy in front of us said, UNC doesn't have any timeouts. And I said, sir, you are wrong.
UNC has three. Duke has zero.

Speaker 1 There were actually a few moments where I stood up and I told Marty and Rico, take a timeout. Yeah.
You need to take a timeout. And they didn't have it.
And show a timeout.

Speaker 1 They didn't have because he used it for the refs. He used it to yell at the refs.
Also, I think it maybe set a bad tone for his team that he was sitting on his little mushroom toadstool.

Speaker 1 He couldn't get up on the sidelines. He couldn't even, like, how are you going to expect your players to give their all when you can't even stand up on the sidelines?

Speaker 1 You've got your prescription stool on the sidelines that you're sitting on and just screaming at the refs.

Speaker 1 You know Ball, Hank. I gave you credit.
You know Ball. He said, Caleb Love, keep your eyes on him.
He's probably going to hit a big shot that will end Coach K's life and career. You said that to me.

Speaker 1 Now, all that being said, I'm probably going to bet on Kansas in the championship. This was you.
I've been thinking about it. This was UNC's title game for the first time.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And listen, every time the Duke tries, Duke fans try to talk, UNC fans can just fucking slap this game right on the table. Forever and ever and ever.
Yep. For all of you.

Speaker 1 Your coach literally lost his last game of his career to your arch rival in the Final Four.

Speaker 1 On his coaching tombstone, it will say, like, he's coming back.

Speaker 1 I'm saying this right now. 6, or whenever he started coaching.
1980, 80, I think.

Speaker 5 I will call myself right now.

Speaker 1 And then the end date will be UNC killed him.

Speaker 1 You know what the best part to it is?

Speaker 1 PFT, as someone who's, you know, I like ball. I don't know ball like Hank knows.
You're a ball head. I'm a ball head.
Ball is life.

Speaker 1 One of my favorite parts about this game and like this rivalry is it was always for the longest time. It's tied.
Duke has, oh, actually, that is tied. That's true.

Speaker 1 When I saw that stat, that he was 50 and 49 against UNC, how could you ever think

Speaker 1 he was going to lose that game?

Speaker 1 Not a winning record. Yeah, not a winning record.

Speaker 1 But the best part is, like, forever in the 90s and early 2000s, it's always like, Duke has, like, UNC has the better players. Duke has the better team.
Like, Duke plays better as a team.

Speaker 1 Now, Duke has all the talent. UNC just plays better as a team.
It's beautiful how it all just kind of flipped.

Speaker 1 He got drunk on the one and done age and he and it all fell apart yeah he needed a guy like brady mannick who's like 35 years old i think they have it they needed to give uh bates jones a few more minutes

Speaker 1 yeah bates jones

Speaker 1 bates jones i do want to kick it over to uh to marty who's been sitting here oh hey marty this entire time with this exact look on his face marty sat two rows away from me two seats away from me for the entire night we were uh we were going at it it was a hell of a game though right marty you can admit that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 That was the meanest 15 minutes of my life.

Speaker 1 I don't think it was. It could have been so much meaner.
I actually probably, my best material was probably used at Hank's expense on the walk home. I was just unloading the clip.

Speaker 11 You just put so much effort into it to kill you, to kill everyone.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 I killed your coach. You did.

Speaker 1 There's a wanted poster in fucking, in, in Durham right now. It's my face because I killed your coach

Speaker 1 I actually wouldn't why not what happens when he comes back listen I wouldn't be shocked this is another oh he's coming back he's coming back my third craziest thing that I'm gonna say along with the I could probably get him imprisoned and I might have a statue at Chapel Hill

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be shocked if like the authorities knock on my hotel room door tomorrow morning and they're like you're you're under arrest for killing a man and like who I'm gonna call Coach Mike Shaszewski it's just I'll call him right on you I hope you go to jail yeah I would love to go to jail for that.

Speaker 1 You're a scumbag. I just think there's just a jury in the world that would convict you.
I would just hand him my little card that I've just been passing out to you. Not a jury.
Nope.

Speaker 1 Oh, he was justified.

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 11 You'd be bad in jail.

Speaker 1 That card? It would be like, please, it'd be like Hulk Hogan versus Gawker all over again. People would take Big Cat's side.
Yep. There's just no reason.

Speaker 11 Like, there's so many other things you could like this much. Like, there's so many apples in the world, and I could just wake up to that and be happy.
And this is stupid. You're stupid.

Speaker 1 You're stupid.

Speaker 1 You're stupid. I don't like any.

Speaker 11 You guys are all stupid.

Speaker 1 You're stupid.

Speaker 11 You're stupid, too. Marty, all you are.

Speaker 1 Marty, may I ask you a question, Marty, real quick? What?

Speaker 1 Did you take the can't lose parlay? Because I'm sorry about that. I didn't.

Speaker 1 You know

Speaker 11 when it comes down to it, I'm not mentally ready for it.

Speaker 5 There's people that bet in the spot. I bet.

Speaker 1 You did fake parlays.

Speaker 1 I said it was my last double bullet, and it worked. And I did.

Speaker 1 And you killed me. And as soon as Kansas won, I was like, yep, we're good.

Speaker 11 I did good for so long, and then you got me in the last game.

Speaker 1 Can't lose parlay. Marty, do you think that Duke's loss today, and more specifically, Coach K's loss today? Death, death, PFT.
His death today, it impacts you as a human being.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like your entire life has been a fraud

Speaker 1 by staking your entire sports fandom on somebody that... Turned out to not be able to get it done.

Speaker 11 Can I tell you something?

Speaker 5 I'm national championship. I'm done.

Speaker 11 Because if they win next year, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, no, I hope they do.

Speaker 1 I'm a shire guy. You're more of a Coach K fan than you are a Duke fan.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I fucked up.

Speaker 1 Honestly, Marty,

Speaker 1 that's sad. Yeah, that's the worst.
That's very sad. You're the worst human being alive.
I would understand if you were a Duke fan, but you're just a fan of a man. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's a terrible man at that. It's like guys that are die-hard fans of golfers or race car drivers.
It's like, I just drove it.

Speaker 1 I just really like Phil Michelson. St.
Ricardo. I'd fucking jerk him off from his death.

Speaker 5 I would do anything anything for that guy. You're a fucking deli guy.

Speaker 1 Oh, Hank's starting to lash out. Here it comes.
All right, Hank. Let's go back to you real quick.

Speaker 1 Marty's too depressed. It's not fun when he's like, he won't even put his hand on him.

Speaker 5 Danny Woodhead.

Speaker 1 He's depressed. Excuse me?

Speaker 5 That's a guy.

Speaker 1 Listen, Marty, I'm on your side now. I want John Shire to win 10 championships.

Speaker 11 We're going to win next year.

Speaker 1 That's what you're going to do. He's great.
John Shire is a hell of a coach. He's better coach than Coach K.

Speaker 5 If you come to Duke's eye, that's fine, but

Speaker 5 I'm not going to come to Duke's side.

Speaker 1 I'm I'm giving you guys a lot of people. I really.

Speaker 1 Because you know I control destiny. Hey, can I say something?

Speaker 1 I am God.

Speaker 1 Can I say something serious about Duke's basketball team?

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, Marty.
I want to say something serious about Duke's basketball team this year. The talent that they had on this team was incredible.

Speaker 1 Like, you should not hang your head.

Speaker 1 There were great players.

Speaker 1 You had Bankaro, probably the best player in the country.

Speaker 1 You had Roach. You had

Speaker 1 playing at the top of his game. You had Kiels, who is one of my favorite players in college basketball.
You've got a great,

Speaker 1 great starting five.

Speaker 1 Two or three.

Speaker 1 Oh, here we go. I'm trying to pay you compliment.
They had a great team this year. Great team.
Yeah, fine. Talent level was enormous.

Speaker 1 They probably should have won the championship. They were so good.
Where was Paolo, by the way?

Speaker 1 But they didn't have the coaching. I'd love to ask that question because he had maybe the quietest 19, 21 points.
Like every time time they needed, oh, hey, Jake.

Speaker 1 Every time they needed a big bucket at the end,

Speaker 1 he wasn't there. I can't with Jake.
Shout out Jake, by the way.

Speaker 1 Jake texted the group text right before Tip. And

Speaker 1 he goes, oh, my God, I can't believe it. And we all were like, oh, shit.
I can't believe this is happening.

Speaker 1 He's putting out the handshake. He's not shaking hands.
Hey, Jake, I'll shake your hand. Unlike Duke, I'll shake your hand.
Oh, Hank.

Speaker 1 So before we right before we start uh the game started he goes i can't believe this is happening and i thought he got kicked out of uh press row because he was looking at porn and because he was i i thought he was he was looking at browsers the whole time he has he has a subscription um i thought that there was something weird going on because It sounded like he was in a panic mode.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. And it was in between the games and there was nothing going on at the time.
And he goes, I can't believe this is happening. And we all replied like, what?

Speaker 1 And he goes, Duke UNC in the Final Four.

Speaker 1 It was like, so Jake. So goddamn Jake.
How was the porn?

Speaker 1 It was awesome.

Speaker 7 The Wi-Fi kind of interrupted my halftime plans.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Shit.

Speaker 1 Hold on. We don't have you.
We don't have the mic for Jake. Marty.

Speaker 1 Yeah, say it again.

Speaker 7 It was awesome, but the Wi-Fi kind of interrupted my halftime plans.

Speaker 1 Yeah, now, Jake, you were.

Speaker 1 This is junk podcasting at its finest, by the way. Take Marty.

Speaker 1 Bubba's been out. We've all been out.
We've all been drinking all day.

Speaker 1 Take Marty's. Marty's too sad anyway.
I actually wouldn't be shocked if we just don't record any of this. This is probably never going to see the light of day.
I honestly don't care. Yeah, no, this is

Speaker 1 awesome. Jake, you saw Coach K afterwards.
Yes. What did he say at the podium?

Speaker 1 I saw the quote from Paolo that he was like, Coach K never made it about himself. I can't even say it without laughing.

Speaker 7 He wouldn't really answer many questions based off his career is more just this season.

Speaker 1 Oh, because it wasn't about him. Right.

Speaker 7 Right. Just about recapping this season.

Speaker 1 And what did he say? Was he like, I shouldn't have used all those timeouts complaining to the refs?

Speaker 7 No, he didn't say that.

Speaker 1 He was just very, he was reflecting a lot.

Speaker 7 He was cracking jokes a little bit at the end.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's good. He's in good steering.

Speaker 7 And at the end, when he walked, so I got the video of him, him and his wife.

Speaker 7 on the golf cart. She's just

Speaker 1 escorted out. He's going to go up, put it on the line.
And

Speaker 1 he waves.

Speaker 7 He's like, someone's got to Photoshop

Speaker 7 into this ride.

Speaker 5 And everyone laughs.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, he's keeping it light.

Speaker 8 I think he was more just reflecting.

Speaker 8 The players were definitely more dejected than him.

Speaker 1 Jake, did you have a question in the chamber ready to ask him?

Speaker 7 I did. I had my hand raised.

Speaker 1 Oh, it was going to be about Pete Gaudette?

Speaker 7 No, it was going to be something totally appropriate.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Pete Gaudette's pretty appropriate.
The guy got fucking shipped to Siberia.

Speaker 1 Oh, Marty, go back to Marty real quick. Marty wouldn't shake my hand.
hand. Yeah, Marty wouldn't shake my hand.
Not surprising. Not surprising.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Terrible sportsman.

Speaker 1 Can't lose with class, but

Speaker 1 that's what it's all about. Marty Mush has finest.

Speaker 1 I actually do think that they were out-coached in the second half a little bit. They didn't change anything up defensively.
They didn't try going to that zone, Marty.

Speaker 1 Like, you have to be a little bit disappointed in the coaching of this game. It was bad coaching, Marty.
Really bad. It was bad coaching.
It was bad coaching, Marty. Marty, it was bad coaching.

Speaker 1 I don't know what's worse.

Speaker 1 But Hank, let's go back to you.

Speaker 1 Big K. Big Hey, you want to get Rico on? I don't ever want this.
Yeah, Rico, come on. Rico, come on.
Marty, you get out of here. You're a dead corpse.
You're a dead corpse.

Speaker 1 You're a dead corpse, Marty. Get out of here.
All right, so here comes Rico Borse.

Speaker 5 I was saying I had one pick today, and it was Paolo over 17 and a half points.

Speaker 1 Good.

Speaker 1 It would have been nice if he had scored some important points instead of just.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he just scored points in the first half when it didn't matter. All right, so here's Rico Bosco.
If you're not familiar with Rico Bosco, he's the biggest Duke.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 5 Big Cat did not say a fucking word for the entire game. I was very nervous.
He was quiet as a fucking mouse. He's very nervous.

Speaker 1 Well, he's about results.

Speaker 5 Exploded.

Speaker 1 Sorry that he's not talking trash before the game. He's waiting for the results.
It was a legacy game for me, Hank. I've had a lot of time.

Speaker 5 There was a nice group of ladies behind us that were Duke fans, that were young Duke fans, girls.

Speaker 1 Not even bonk. He was actually lying because they were so annoying.
He's in five cities for for women within that line.

Speaker 5 It was like zero to two, and North Carolina scored. And Big Cat turned around and started fucking cutting their necks off and giving them the throat slash.

Speaker 1 Two minutes in. Yeah, I did the throat slash.
All right, so right in their face. So we have Rico Bosco joining us.
Rico, if you're not familiar with Rico, first of all, you should know.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows Rico. Second of all, he's the biggest Duke fan of the world.
He was calling out the sets. He was calling picks.

Speaker 1 We were up in the nosebleeds, and Rico was calling picks out, letting the guys know when he's in the middle of the day. He wasn't even in the nosebleeds.
Yeah, you weren't that bad at all. And Rico.

Speaker 1 asked the end today.

Speaker 1 Oh, Rico was.

Speaker 1 Rico was blocking people who left the bad seats. First of all, Rico, you realize that

Speaker 1 happens every time you take a picture at any point.

Speaker 1 People were saying I had bad seats.

Speaker 5 Yeah, people don't realize that a football field and a basketball court are different sizes.

Speaker 1 Right. So Rico, I want to thank Game Time for the terrific seats.
There you go. Oh, my colleagues have been calling me for allowing me to go to the game.
First of all, right. You get what you get.

Speaker 1 You don't get upset. This is your first Final Four game ever? Ever.
What a dream.

Speaker 1 Man, it was a nightmare. Rico, scale one to 10.
How disappointed are you in the end of Coach K's career? How tarnished do you think his legacy is? Yeah, I was talking to Marty.

Speaker 1 It's like difficult because he had his hopes up the whole season.

Speaker 1 I got my hopes up for tonight after knowing what I had seen and got my heart ripped out again. Like you watched.

Speaker 1 I did. I was

Speaker 1 a seven-year-old on.

Speaker 1 I didn't want to get it to this moment because it would have been, it would have hurt as bad. You're usually very mature.
Rico. Yeah, it would hurt just as bad.

Speaker 1 Rico, do you think they should put a statue of me in Chapel Hill? I think it's possible.

Speaker 1 I might get the same one. I love you, Hank.
I fucking love you.

Speaker 1 Hank also just spilled a whole drink on his lap before we started recording.

Speaker 5 My phone, mine, that. My phone's not working.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was, I mean.

Speaker 1 I don't know why that was.

Speaker 1 He was not as sharp as he has been in the past couple of years. Yeah, you think his mind's deteriorating a little bit? I don't want to say that.

Speaker 1 You don't joke about that. I'm not joking.

Speaker 1 You said it. You brought it up.
You just questioned the dude. You want some weed? Well, you literally said it a second ago.
No.

Speaker 1 They just couldn't get the stops. They couldn't get the stops that they needed.
I talked about it all year with the defensive efficiency in the last couple months.

Speaker 1 They were kind of playing with house money.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 Sorry, talking about defensive efficiency. They couldn't get stops.

Speaker 1 They couldn't get stops. That's what turned out to be the game.

Speaker 6 They had a shitty first half, and they still get

Speaker 6 to get it.

Speaker 1 I got you. I'm bringing you back.

Speaker 1 Lots of talking about Ken Bob when we're burying Coach K. A lot of easy buckets.

Speaker 1 Couldn't play deal.

Speaker 1 That's what it came down to.

Speaker 1 What about those timeouts? And I told you you should be taking it. You said it.

Speaker 1 I did. I did.
I said it. You denied it in the moment.
To be fair, roasting him right now when you say a 10-minute and like we've been recording for like 45 minutes right now.

Speaker 1 And you're like, what are you talking about? I did tell Bob. I was like, don't worry about it.
We're going to quit for 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 We also got texts. We also got texts.
Hank and I were apart from Bubba and Memes and PFT. There was a text in the middle of the two games of PFT taking a little snooze.

Speaker 1 And then, like, 10 minutes later, it was PFT texted of Liam taking the fucking snooze. So there were some snoozes going on.
No, I mean, I had to recharge the batteries for a little bit.

Speaker 1 That first, we should also say congratulations to Kansas.

Speaker 1 We already recapped it. This is a time capsule.

Speaker 1 I had to recharge the batteries in between the games for a little bit. So assume me, I fell asleep at my seat for about 10 minutes.
No, it's nothing wrong.

Speaker 1 It was just funny, the back-to-back, because it was like the guy who took the picture of you sleeping, then fell asleep. Yeah, no, it was actually a beautiful night of basketball.

Speaker 1 Anybody out there that's a basketball fan, anyone that's a... Yeah, make yourself feel better, buddy.
Yeah, Hank. Hit it.
Hit that. Hit that.
Hit that, pal.

Speaker 1 It was a great night for everybody that loves the sport. I think it's just a great night for the best.
It's all life, right? Rico?

Speaker 1 Let's give it up for basketball, guys. Yeah, basketball won tonight.
and also UNC and Coach K-Loss. So, Rico,

Speaker 1 it's over, though. His legacy's gone.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We had an awkward moment where Hank, I'm a big ticket stub guy, and Hank was like, I can't believe you saved that. And I did equate it to you get a prayer card when you leave a funeral.
Wait, yeah.

Speaker 1 There it is. Great point.

Speaker 1 Wait, you had a ticket show?

Speaker 1 No, I didn't get a ticket. You want me to?

Speaker 1 Because I had your ticket.

Speaker 1 I just burst some smoke up.

Speaker 1 Because Rico, I had your ticket. I can send you a screenshot of the ticket.

Speaker 1 So you can have a stub, QR.

Speaker 1 When that comes up,

Speaker 1 it was in my ball sack.

Speaker 1 It would have been one thing, too, if he lost to Roy Williams. He loses to a first-year coach.
Oh, man. Has a first-year coach ever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, first-year coach is actually... Well, Steve Fisher won six games.
But he didn't win the championship, right? No, he did. No, he did.
So he came in. He took over.
That's the famous

Speaker 1 man, BMI. 89, Glenn Rice.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Romail Robinson, they beat him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank, I mean, you've been kind of silent. What do you think about the game?

Speaker 5 It was a bad game.

Speaker 5 The girls behind us were great. They were in your game.
Why do you talk about these girls?

Speaker 1 Why do you keep talking about these girls?

Speaker 1 So the girls behind us

Speaker 1 were saying that he's not going to fuck you, bro. Duke.
Every time they go, let's go do.

Speaker 5 We had nice seats, and they weren't able to, like, we had some, we had some loud, not, you know, not obnoxious I would never say obnoxious about fellow dupe fans, but they were loud and yeah, were they girls?

Speaker 5 They were girls, but it was more like they were it was like I was next to big cat and then I had I had back up next to me. I felt like we were all like together just just chirping big cat.

Speaker 5 He was dead silent.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't say a fucking word. I wasn't say a fucking word.
Work.

Speaker 5 This kid's been talking for an hour and now but like the whole game he said more in the past seven minutes than the last the entire game. That was a work.

Speaker 5 After the KO after the KOF3 everything changed.

Speaker 1 Do you guys notice that the rims and the shoes were way squeakier tonight? Yeah, the rims were shooting.

Speaker 1 They had a microphone on the rim.

Speaker 5 They had a microphone on the rim.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everything was magnetic. The show was clanging.

Speaker 5 The clangs were clanging.

Speaker 1 It was just a great night. So for ball.
All right, so I guess we should wrap this up. Yeah, Bub is saying that.

Speaker 1 I had a great time.

Speaker 8 It was awesome.

Speaker 1 There we go, Jake. Yeah.
It was so cool. Way to go, Jake.
Not even just like the result, just like the experience. Yeah, but the result was spray.

Speaker 1 Jake was the night we'll remember forever. Forever.
Forever.

Speaker 7 I tweeted at the final media. Everyone,

Speaker 7 for the next 3.35 of basketball time, you will remember what happened for the rest of your week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he and I laughed about that one. Just in fact.

Speaker 1 Jake, honestly, I think my favorite part of tonight, the whole experience of the Final Four, was getting to watch Jake watch it for the first time as like a life goal to be covering it as a journalist.

Speaker 1 I'm very proud of you, Jake. Thank you.
And the best part was, he was on press row. It's like he doesn't have a column.
He was just tweeting.

Speaker 1 No deadlines for this one.

Speaker 1 It was like, what's Jake doing over there? He's just tweeting.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I got some interviews. Yeah, no, you did.
But like during the game, it was just very funny. Like, all those guys are stressing about what they're going to write.
It's like, you just got to tweet.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, Hank. Why don't you end it? Why don't you tell us what you think? What do you think about the game?

Speaker 1 What do you think about the game?

Speaker 1 It's over.

Speaker 1 Nothing? Kat got your tongue?

Speaker 2 It's just tough.

Speaker 5 It's tough.

Speaker 1 It's tough. It's tough.
It's very tough. It's tough.
It's very tough.

Speaker 5 Any other team of Carolina, I think I could spin it. I don't really know what to say.

Speaker 1 You can't spin it. I don't know.

Speaker 5 There's no literally, if it was Kansas, if it was Villanova, if it was any other blue blood, Kentucky. Yep.
Like, literally any other team, any other blue blood.

Speaker 1 Can't it out of this.

Speaker 5 You could spin it. Michigan State.

Speaker 1 His legacy is trash. It's trash.

Speaker 1 His legacy is in a garbage can.

Speaker 5 I don't like, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's, yeah.

Speaker 7 Big, I could go, let's hear from Hank.

Speaker 1 I think you're funny 10 times. I will stay here forever.
It's, I want to save it.

Speaker 1 I do think we should let Hank have the final word, though.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you think about the game?

Speaker 2 Hank.

Speaker 1 Make your free throws. That's it.

Speaker 5 If you want my word, my one takeaway, if you're a kid, maybe you're an up-and-comer, you're a four or five-star recruit, you want to know some advice, make your free throws. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Make your fucking free throws.

Speaker 1 All right. That's the time capsule.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's do some who's back, and then we will get to Stanford Steve and Mark Titus, our wing date, our long-awaited wing date.

Speaker 1 Hank, would you like to start with your who's back? Sure. Okay.
I have a few. Oh.

Speaker 1 Great.

Speaker 5 Hasbula.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 5 Shout out to Sunday Conversation. Hezboolah.
I feel like everyone kind of has seen his videos, doesn't know a lot about him. Caleb put out a video.
A little backstory. Funny, serious.

Speaker 1 I actually, I want to start the bandwagon supporting Hezbollah for the 2022 Secretary of the Interior of Dagestan. Yeah.
He says he wants to run for that position. I say let him have it.

Speaker 1 Basically, his entire profile is like you shouldn't have to have a license plate to drive a car.

Speaker 1 It was tinted windows, except except for the back. Not the back, not the back.
And no speed limit on the highways, lower speed limit in the city. So that sucks.
It's great. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then I'm actually now racking my brain to remember if we talked about this the other day, but Dan Snyder.

Speaker 1 Yes. We did.
Well, no, we didn't talk about it.

Speaker 1 He's back. Majority.

Speaker 5 I know we were talking about it.

Speaker 5 Sometimes when we're together so much and we're like drinking and stuff, I forget what was

Speaker 5 conversations on the show.

Speaker 5 Yes, we have, and you probably will have to.

Speaker 1 You're right. Sometimes we're together so much, we don't know.

Speaker 1 We haven't talked to Stanford steve yet and that's going to be like another hour so yep can't wait for that to come up but but hank hank is right like the day that dan snyder lord willing either dies painfully or has to sell the washington football team he was cooking the books he was just doing double double books so there's kind of respectful you know who else had two books who

Speaker 1 oh boy god bible part one and two yeah uh no apparently he was either cooking the books in terms of uh how he was using it to file for like some of his debt or some of his loans he was getting had two separate books or this is the more explosive charge that got put out last night that Congress is looking into

Speaker 1 apparently Dan Snyder was withholding ticket money from the other NFL owners they put it into a pool they put like 40% of their ticket gate into a pool then redistribute it Apparently, Snyder was lying about how much money he was getting in his gate.

Speaker 1 So he was actively stealing from the other owners. And like, you can, here's basically how the NFL works.
You can, uh, you can have like active sexual harassment charges against 40 former employees.

Speaker 1 You can probably own a sweatshop, but if you steal a million dollars from Jed York, they want to kill you.

Speaker 1 And so it looks like if anything's going to happen, this would be what could bring Dan Snyder down. And I'm telling you, I will throw a fucking parade through the streets of anywhere.

Speaker 1 I'll just, I'll have a parade. Location to be determined.

Speaker 5 If Dan Snyder sells a team or dies, Winslow, Arizona.

Speaker 1 I am having a fucking party, and it will be the best. It will be better than a Super Bowl for me.
Love it. At that day.
I cannot wait. I hope it's going to happen.

Speaker 1 Florio just texted me a second ago and was like, we're as close as we've ever been to him getting to sell the team. It's like the doomsday clock, but it's also like the Aero Paradise.

Speaker 5 He's always on top of that.

Speaker 1 Florio's never been wrong. Schrödinger's

Speaker 1 Snyder at this point. Like, he's dead.
He's alive, but he's about to die. I can't wait.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that it?

Speaker 5 Dad Mott is back.

Speaker 5 What's the controversy around him? People were like surprised. I don't think it's controversial.

Speaker 1 He had health issues at the end of my life.

Speaker 5 I didn't know if it was like, yeah, I saw the reaction and people were like, I can't believe he's back.

Speaker 7 I didn't know if it was because he got the list of big East coaches now.

Speaker 1 Oh, give it to us, Jake. It's so much fun.
Yeah. Rank Eld? Wait, rank him, Jake.

Speaker 1 Well, you have Coach of the Year, Ed Cooley. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Saw him, by the way. He's awesome.
He did too. Yep.
Such a nice guy. He said, I made his final four, which I don't believe, but just for him to say that, feels good.

Speaker 1 Oh, he told me the same thing. I saw him, yeah.
Yeah. He's like, you made my final four.
love it and then i saw he he saw an old lady he's like you made my final four

Speaker 7 so um he just kept on saying that these 11 coaches are in the list i tweeted so i guess they could be my rankings just the names that came to my head jay wright ed cooley dan hurley sean miller new shock the smart patrick ewing big name but

Speaker 1 yeah big name big name they stink they didn't win a game they stink yeah uh

Speaker 1 icy right now jake is friendly

Speaker 1 i like it Thad Mata, new.

Speaker 7 And then Mike Anderson, St. John's, and then Greg McDermott and Tony Stubblefield.
So

Speaker 1 that is pretty good. The Beast is back.
Yeah. Yeah.
So Thad Mata's back. So he was the AD at Indiana, right? No, he was just on the staff at Indiana.

Speaker 7 He's like a behind-the-scenes guy.

Speaker 1 Okay. He wasn't on the staff.

Speaker 1 He like helped with the recruiting and stuff. I mean,

Speaker 1 he's a good coach. He's had a lot of success.
We'll see how he does. But yeah, I agree with you, Jake.

Speaker 1 It's going to be like the fact that there were three openings of the Big East this year, and those three got filled by Sean Miller, Thad Mott, and Shaheen Holloway is pretty something.

Speaker 1 I do like it when the Big East has that allure of great coaches.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like a throwback to the old days where it's like, okay, these coaches, I could actually see them getting into fights with each other, which I love. Yes.
Your who's back, PFT?

Speaker 1 My who's back is the course at Augusta National, Georgia. Oh, yeah.
So

Speaker 1 tough look over the weekend, admittedly.

Speaker 1 Our two recurring guests on the podcast, a long time Stoolies, Bryson DeShambeau and Dude Perfect, got together and they did their little weirdo Calvin Ball sport where they go out on the golf course and just bring every piece of sporting equipment that they have.

Speaker 1 Yep. I don't really understand the rules.

Speaker 5 Not just any golf course, though.

Speaker 1 But they went to August. Amen's Corner.
Yeah, they so there are people saying it's a tough look for the course. I agree.
However, I also think that this is going to be motivating for the course.

Speaker 1 Like, the groundskeepers groundskeepers have gotten dragged this past weekend for letting those goofballs essentially take a piss on God's grass.

Speaker 1 And so they're going to, you know what's going to happen? The course is going to show its teeth. They're going to put some fucked up pin placements.
They're going to grow the rough out a little bit.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be a fucked up course this week. I'm excited for it.
Now, I understand.

Speaker 1 Golf fans being disgusted by this because obviously Augusta was nothing sacred. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 Augusta is stuck now because they've their entire, like, their entire MO forever has been exclusivity, sacred, once a year, no women, yeah, no women, right? All this stuff, right?

Speaker 1 And so that's what has made it special, especially the no women part, like dudes only, guys.

Speaker 1 So, by the way, did you, who, oh, Glenny Balls, Phil Leotardo has a book that we gotta, we gotta do a book reading of. It's uh, it's, it's how to be a man's man by a guy.

Speaker 1 It's a great book, but

Speaker 1 that's neither here nor there. So they've had this entire history of this exclusivity.
Now, like, we're in a different age. They're trying to figure out a way to get new fans.

Speaker 1 So they have to start doing new things.

Speaker 1 And you get this. You get Dude Perfect.
You get Bryson DeCambeau. It was one of those things, though, when it came out.

Speaker 1 I screenshotted some tweets because I was just laughing so hard. Because again, I actually am on the side of golf hardos that like you,

Speaker 1 if you say that exclusivity is your thing and it's sacred, you can't have this. But some people's reaction.

Speaker 1 I think Augusta should be the one place that you should be able to be a dick about being exclusive there.

Speaker 1 It's kind of nice to have this one prestigious spot that has completely arbitrary rules that make no sense whatsoever. You can't just bring cell phones to the master.
I love it.

Speaker 1 I don't know why I love it. I just do.
It's like you can fucking dude perfectly. You're trying to do both of you frisky golf

Speaker 1 on Amen's Corner.

Speaker 1 The way that they usually act is saying like, fuck you. It's a privilege for us to let you into this place.
You should be thanking us, kissing our feet to get in.

Speaker 1 But at the same time, you can't also be like, hey, we found we took five TikTok stars and dropped them out of an airplane onto the 13th Fairway.

Speaker 1 And they were going to go out there and make content for an afternoon. You can't do it both ways.
Yeah, so I screenshotted some reactions because I just thought they were very funny.

Speaker 1 One said, shouldn't be done at Augusta. Honestly, stunned this got approved.
That's totally normal, whatever.

Speaker 1 Shocking and disgusting stuff from Augusta National. Can't believe what I'm seeing.
Another person said, I feel sick seeing this on sacred grounds.

Speaker 1 And then the last one I saw was, I watched both my parents die. This is the worst thing I've ever seen.
I'll never recover.

Speaker 1 That was actually from our colleague Kirk Minahan, which I got a good chuckle of. But I like there are, I understand there are golf fans who, this is the worst day of their lives watching that happen.

Speaker 1 Welcome to our army.

Speaker 1 We've been fighting a two-front battle against Dudes Perfect and bryson da chambo for the last four years on this podcast so listen i'm happy to have all the haters aboard uh i think we've got a good track record on this podcast of using our hate for good causes yep so let's unite coach k we killed coach k next up is the dude perfect guys i do think though that the uh the course

Speaker 1 will have its vengeance the course is angry you've angered the course the golf gods the marketing team at augusta is the one that that is responsible for this the actual groundskeepers are gonna they're gonna do michael Jordan meme.

Speaker 1 I took that personally. You know what, though? It's just popped in my head, and we have our good friend Max Homa on next Wednesday to preview the Masters.

Speaker 1 Now that the Masters have been completely tarnished and it's a Mickey Mouse course, who's better to win it than Max Homa? That's true. It's kind of his, it's his championship to win now.

Speaker 1 That's very, very true. Like he's the king of the Fortnite PlayStation 5 Mickey Mouse trophies.
You know what? Yeah. He's probably going to ask for his

Speaker 1 double champion. Yeah, he's going to ask for his green jacket

Speaker 1 in pink or something. So,

Speaker 1 yeah, I'm excited to watch Max. I forget what I was going to say.
I had some other fun fact about Augusta that I read earlier this week about how it's...

Speaker 1 Oh, well, really, the last that we saw of the true course

Speaker 1 when Matsuyama's caddy bowed to the course. Yes.
At the end, that was really the end of Augusta, as we know it. That was it.
It was over. It was over.
All right, my who's back is LeBron.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 this is just so... I know that people have gone in and out of watching the Lakers and being like, why are we talking this much about a team that's not in the playoffs? It's just great to watch.

Speaker 1 The Friday night game against the Pelicans when he did an April Fool's joke in the middle of the day where he's like, I'm out till the fall. I'm out for the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 See you all in the fall. And then he airballs a three to try to win that game.
They need every game. It's also great because his tweet's coming back and everyone's retweeting it over and over.

Speaker 1 I think he actually deleted it when he said, keep talking about my squad,

Speaker 1 our personnel ages, the way he plays. He stays

Speaker 1 injured. We're past our time in this league, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Do me one favor, please. And I mean, please keep that same narrative energy when it begins.
That's all I ask.

Speaker 1 Hashtag thank you, King's Crown. And we are keeping that same energy.
I mean, it is great. I don't want to keep that same energy.
I don't want to keep remembering that, but he asked me to. He did.

Speaker 1 And so I, you know, far be it from me to disobey one of LeBron James' orders. I mean, we are his, he is the king, and we are his, his peasants.
He is the greatest athlete that the world has seen.

Speaker 1 We serve him. Yeah.
He didn't play today either.

Speaker 5 So, which 20 teams in the NBA make the playoffs, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And he's not going to be one of them.
And I really want them to make the playoffs because I want them to lose. I would like them to get swept in the playoffs.
That would be fun.

Speaker 1 I've almost reached the point where I feel bad for LeBron. No.
Never.

Speaker 1 I feel a little bit bad for the guy. We're making a hate card for LeBron.
I'm addicted to the hate card game. Just passing him out.

Speaker 1 Well, one thing that people don't remember is when he pulled his penis out on television. I remember.
I saw it. I saw it in 4K.
Actually, I don't think 4K was around then. Thank God.

Speaker 1 All right, Jake, your who's back.

Speaker 7 My who's back of the week is paying for Mets fans. The season has not started yet.

Speaker 1 Let me guess. Jacob DeGrom and Max Scherzer.
They're both hurt.

Speaker 1 That's tough. It's almost funny how

Speaker 1 unbelievable offseason. By the way, I mean, that's the Mets.

Speaker 1 By the way, who's back? The Yankees. Because as Brian Cashman said, he doesn't like what people say he hadn't been to the World Series since 2009 because in 2017, the Astros stole it from him.

Speaker 1 So please respect that the Yankees did go to the World Series that year. Yeah, can you imagine?

Speaker 1 Like, the Yankees probably would have played really well and won several World Series if they had cheated, but they didn't. They're too classy.
When is that wrong? And they would never.

Speaker 1 Well, I think they're unredacting the letter. pretty soon.
And I don't know exactly what's going to be on it. I just know that anytime something that gets unredacted, I'm there for it.

Speaker 1 I love reading unredacted information.

Speaker 1 It feels like you're Spider-Man Snowden.

Speaker 1 What's his name? Jack Ryan.

Speaker 7 Yes. Poor Mess fans.
This is tough.

Speaker 1 All right. That's good.
Who's back? Thanks.

Speaker 1 How are we doing, guys? We good? It's a podcast. Yeah, Hank.
Hank, what are your thoughts? Can't wait for Wings. What do you think about Coach K?

Speaker 5 Sad. I wish he.

Speaker 5 It's tough. 50-50 is tough.

Speaker 1 50-50 is tough.

Speaker 1 He was an average coach.

Speaker 5 41-49.

Speaker 1 He was an average coach with great players. Beat the rivals.

Speaker 5 Hey, championship wouldn't have mattered, truthfully, if they won or lost that.

Speaker 1 Oh, you mean that was your championship? Yeah, that was.

Speaker 7 How many games do they have to beat North Carolina?

Speaker 1 And he's coming back, by the way.

Speaker 1 This has to be a race.

Speaker 7 I was talking with Marty on benchmob. Like, if Duke wins every game the next decade in the regular season, I don't know how much.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they have to meet again in the fucking Final Four.

Speaker 5 Is that going to happen? Probably not.

Speaker 1 I agree with Hank, though. I do think that Coach K, there's a good chance that we haven't seen the last of him.

Speaker 1 I'm rooting for him to come back all the way because it would be such a great moment.

Speaker 1 I think there's a lot of people who realize how big of a dick he is. Then there's Duke fans.
But if he comes back, like...

Speaker 5 You're just making that up.

Speaker 1 No, there's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 There's at least 500 because I passed out 500 cards in Bourbon Street this weekend. But if he comes back, people will like double down and be like, oh my God.
I'll just have to

Speaker 1 I might have to take a sabbatical and just commit my life to following him around on his second retirement. Did you guys hear this question that was asked to him after the game?

Speaker 1 We're not going to talk about Duke anymore, though. But no, wait, just listen.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Listen.

Speaker 1 Here, here we go. I know I'm speaking for all of college basketball, but thank you.
Thank you for everything you've done.

Speaker 1 The best is when Coach K says, you're welcome for everything I've done for the sport of college basketball. Oh, my God.
Yeah, you're welcome. All right.
Let's get to Titus and Stanford.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we are here at Fat Harry's in New Orleans. The famous wing date has happened.

Speaker 1 It's Titus, Stanford Steve, PFT, Hank, myself.

Speaker 1 I mean, we got to start with Titus. It was the first time he's ever had Buffalo Wings.
I was just going to say, look at that. Look at the fulfillment in his face, BFT.

Speaker 1 He looks like a man. You can tell, like, really?

Speaker 1 I can just see it in your face. First time.
I've never.

Speaker 1 First time ever I've ever had

Speaker 1 ever chicken of any kind. So how, how, what, it is, Jim Harbor did teach us to nerf spurs.
So I'm going to, I'm going to, as I've explained on the show a million times, it wasn't the chicken.

Speaker 1 It was the scene around the chicken. That is the.
I mean, look at this.

Speaker 1 If you're watching, I mean, amazing, what do look at these alphas. You feel at home.
Just, you know,

Speaker 1 he does look like an alpha right now. He really does.
He's wearing a throwback bird, short sleeve, warm-up. He looks like a guy from Boston in 1990.
That's named Johnny McLoyne. He's wearing it.

Speaker 1 He's in weekend jail.

Speaker 1 They let him out Monday through Friday for attempted stabbing.

Speaker 1 I got an uncle named Sully. Sully, yeah,

Speaker 1 he's doing it to cheer up Hank. I did.
Because his Duke, we promised we wouldn't talk too much about Duke, but his Duke Blue Devils did lose Hank. I keep saying that.

Speaker 1 We've done nothing but Coach K content for a week and a half. We'll be covering the MLB All-Star game this summer and be like Hank.
I remember the time Coach K lost to UNC. But no, we're here.

Speaker 1 Fat Harry's unbelievable establishment. Nicest people.

Speaker 1 The owner was back here telling us the story. They've been running this place since the 70s.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable wings. Very great wings.

Speaker 1 And I think that's just what I want to drive home: is that coming to a place, getting a text From the two of you that say meet at Fat Harry's and we're gonna house wings again like I can't stress enough like that picture is what is

Speaker 1 the chicken itself is this what you thought it was gonna be it was it was expectation it was it was just like like for me it was like I wasn't worried about the chicken I was worried about everything it's like the final four of like the the game it's when the game starts I'm good it's the the hype around the game

Speaker 1 but wasn't I mean wasn't the conversation like we talked about you know could Nick Saban win a national title at Purdue Yes.

Speaker 1 Could LeBron take Dartmouth to a final?

Speaker 1 Is Christina Oriema a coward coaching men's basketball? These are normal conversations that we have around wings. Yeah.
Good stuff. Yeah.
So like I settled in. I really did.

Speaker 1 It took me a while, but I settled in. It was weird when you tried to kiss Jake before we started.
I was like, dude, this isn't custom. I was like, what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 He's like, oh, I thought we all kissed. I will say my hands are very sticky.

Speaker 1 He was looking around. He was trying to get the wings.
Any wipes? Ideally.

Speaker 1 Wipes.

Speaker 1 I thought they'd have latex gloves for us to wear. Hank, you got a wipe spice?

Speaker 1 Dude wipes. Dude wipes.
There we go. He's going to go to the fucking emergency camera.

Speaker 1 You're going to want to wash those before you pee. Also, my mouth got a lot of sauce around the mouth to where when I wiped the sauce, I felt like I was wiping my makeup off as I was wiping the sauce.

Speaker 1 I'm too fake.

Speaker 1 He's going to get back to that. salon in LA.
And they're going to be like, what did you do with your hands? Yes. Where did you go? You're never leaving the state.
We don't have wings in LA.

Speaker 1 That's what I think. A lot of people are killing me for.

Speaker 1 They're not wings. No, they don't exist.

Speaker 1 All right, so we're here at Final Four. Yeah.
What do we want to talk about? I mean, Duke,

Speaker 1 Coach K, Stanford Steve. Should we give Hank the floor? Well, the lasting image I had.

Speaker 5 People at this point of the podcast have heard us talk about this seven times.

Speaker 1 In like different, like sober. Last image.

Speaker 1 I haven't heard. Like, reverse.
Forward. I haven't heard yet.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What happened?

Speaker 1 Let's have Tyson stand for Steve. Give us your breakdown.
What do you think was the most disappointing aspect of what happened to Duke and Coach K last night?

Speaker 1 And just to set the stage, I saw a stand for Steve at halftime, and he looked at me, he winked at me, and he goes, Duke's got this. Don't listen to a word he's saying right now.

Speaker 1 Because I walked right up to him. I said, great job by you all week politicking about Coach K.
And look at the whistle Duke got. Oh,

Speaker 1 a Duke fan complaining about the whistle. Isn't that beautiful? I mean, come on.
There was some crazy call. There was some crazy calls.
I loved him. I loved a big cop.

Speaker 1 It was a fair whistle last night. Big cop fouled out.
Your man, your man.

Speaker 1 If it was anything, it was against you at least. Big cup fouled out.
Your man, Coach K, said it was a foul. Yeah.
When they asked him about it, he goes, I'm not talking about Coach K right now.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about you guys. It was a foul.
I love the Duke. It's a completely wrong whistle.

Speaker 1 So don't run away from the question. What was the most disappointing part of that? Duke not winning.

Speaker 1 Just in general, like, it wasn't Coach K's timeout management. No.
It wasn't how he took the entire scene for himself after the game.

Speaker 1 Theo John gets thrown under the bus. Yep.
It wasn't that. Mark Williams gets thrown under the bus.

Speaker 1 Legacy tarnished. Mark Williams deserves to be underneath that bus.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Someone's got to take accountability.

Speaker 1 Miss free throws. He shouldn't have been in the game.
Whose fault was that? Yep.

Speaker 1 Who's actually the rest of the fault for not calling more fouls against Duke? That's true. When do we start with the stools? Why do they have to sit on the stools up there? I think he in fact Coach K.

Speaker 1 It was very weird. He liked it in 15, though.
You were there. You saw it.
I remember.

Speaker 1 You motherfucker. I think that was the first year.
Yeah. Was that the first year of the stools? He looks like a savage.
That's a little guardian.

Speaker 1 Bring that cool sweatshirt to this year to this metaphor. Oh, here we go.
I love this. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Listen, I'm a loser.

Speaker 1 You walk around, you and Hank walk around. I'm winning.
I'm a New York Metro. No, you walk around.
You're a born loser. I know things.
I'm a loser. You guys are winners.

Speaker 1 When you lose, you've got to understand the world is going to shit down your throat. I expected them to lose.
No, you didn't. And you said at halftime.
You're a liar.

Speaker 1 You're a liar.

Speaker 1 These cameras weren't there at halftime. Steve, I have this question for you.

Speaker 1 In all seriousness, does this ruin the Carolina Duke rivalry? Because I don't think Duke can ever get this back. Like, Duke can never get the power back.
I think it does, but

Speaker 1 it ruins it a little bit. It does because

Speaker 1 North Carolina is now unquestionably the winner of this rivalry against Coach K.

Speaker 1 The only way they can get it back is if Duke, if they get really, really shitty for like five years, if they stop winning altogether, maybe they go to a couple NITs and actually play in them.

Speaker 1 I think that at that point, when Duke makes their comeback, then people will be like, scrappy little Duke. Yeah.
Look at Little Brother clawing their way back to the top. I mean, Hank, I'll say this.

Speaker 1 Like, being guys that have been invested in this rivalry for so many years and you guys just jumping in the last year or so. Yeah, I'm 1-0.
I'm 1-0 in the tournament with UNC. Good.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Go get your sweatshirt.

Speaker 1 Probably doesn't even fit that. It's a fucking shine button.
No, I mean, it's definitely a sign. That was a low blow.
Seriously, if you've been there, like, it's incredible.

Speaker 1 I mean, you guys were in there last night. There's nothing like it.
It was incredible.

Speaker 1 I do want to ask this, Steve, because you do say, and you go to, like, pretty much, you know, you've been to every college campus, you go to all these sporting events.

Speaker 1 You said the Final Four is your favorite. Yes.
Why?

Speaker 1 Just because being selfish as a sports fan, I get three games. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have a sneaky, very underrated day of the year. Today? Today.
Wing day. Today.
Yes, I agree with you. Are we locking this in, by the way?

Speaker 1 Yes, this is am I standing day. Are we saying this for later? We adjusted the rules for you, but it's usually tomorrow, but we didn't want to interrupt your greatest day of the year.
Right.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that, I mean, it was a humble part. Yes, I was.
I'm just honored to be part of like your actual day of the year is today. You're saying that.
No, I'm just saying it's sneaky.

Speaker 1 No, you're right. Yeah, because

Speaker 1 it's also like

Speaker 1 half of the town that you're in clears out. Yep.
Because it's the shifting of fans. Because then more fans will be here on Monday.
But it's like you're in a city.

Speaker 1 You don't think so? No. You don't think they'll be here? No, they're only for fun.
No, UNC and Kansas fans will show up. They'll show up.

Speaker 1 But I don't think it's going to be as big a crowd as well. Saturday is early.
No, no, I'm saying, no, but you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Like, when you come to the Final Four, Friday, Saturday, it's packed because you've got all four schools. Sunday is a travel day.
Whoever loses leaves. Monday,

Speaker 1 whoever stayed, more fans come in. Gotcha.
So it's like a nice, like, you know,

Speaker 1 as long. So I'm agreeing with you.
Sunday's the best. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's real. I'll never forget.
One of the first one I went to was 99. Duke lost to UConn

Speaker 1 St. Petersburg was like on they did play a Final Four in the trout

Speaker 1 They played it

Speaker 1 Yes, they were Scooty Penn lost his jersey. Yeah

Speaker 1 Scooty Penn all-time name had to wear 35 with no name on the back

Speaker 1 That was insane because like warm weather beach like people didn't know like UConn fans had no idea what to do. Right.
No idea what to do on Sunday. And it was just a debacle.

Speaker 1 So T-borne City was out of

Speaker 1 cigars,

Speaker 1 strip clubs, but like you just, and now this place, there's nothing like it. And to have four, are we agreeing four Blue Bloods? I think Villanova's got like, they're part blue blood.

Speaker 1 They've got like a few drops.

Speaker 1 Titus is getting a lot of time. Let's ask the expert.
You got to ask the expert. I'm sorry about that.
Let me just save a few. Four Nervous Tickets.
He's not going to do that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Before he does it, Titus, credit to him. He and Tate have had this debate like four years ago.
Yeah. So he's upset.

Speaker 1 Everyone else.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have it locked in.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 they're very clearly 11.5 blue bloods. And

Speaker 1 it is, you start at the top with the Carolinas and the Duke and the Kentucky and the Kansas.

Speaker 1 I think UCLA gets in.

Speaker 1 I think Indiana, if you look up the definition of blue blood. Yep, inbred.
Agreed. Yes, Indiana qualifies.

Speaker 1 I think that counts.

Speaker 1 Where did you grow up?

Speaker 1 Who cares? Why are people fat?

Speaker 1 Like if they're not... No, No, no, no, no.
I'm poor. I want to make sure they know where you're from.

Speaker 1 I'm curious why is college basketball the only... Like, no other sport does anybody talk about like blue blood.
Like, does college football do this?

Speaker 1 Does college football do this? Yeah. Yeah.
Who the college football blue bloods? Alabama. Yeah.
That's it. There's one.
No, no.

Speaker 1 No. It's Alabama.
It's Ohio State. It's USC.

Speaker 1 It's Texas, Notre Dame. I would say Michigan.
Texas on the edge. I would say.
Notre Dame's in there. Michigan's probably in there.

Speaker 1 But if you have more than five on the list, doesn't it feel a little bit more like you make the list? Derek's like, what the fuck? LSU. I don't know if you can say like blue blood LSU.
I love LSU.

Speaker 1 LSU is too drunk to be a blue blood. They show up and they just wreck it every 10 years.
The problem with blue bloods in college basketball, too, is all the blue bloods are literally blue.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's where I'm in. And it warps your brain.
And that's where Indiana gets buddy. And that's why I get upset about it because as a guy who grew up in Indiana, I see through it.

Speaker 1 I'm like, you guys all are simple-minded. That's all it is.
You're not actually looking at the numbers. You're looking at literally the colors.
And it's stupid. That's dumb.
But that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 So that's why Villanova and UConn win a few titles, and everyone says they're blue bloods. Throw them in there.
If Villanova had Oregon State's colors, nobody's making that argument.

Speaker 1 Would you say that? That's a fact. That's a fact.
All right? That's a fact. Would you say that?

Speaker 1 Buffalo Wings are blue blood snap.

Speaker 1 I think they are.

Speaker 1 Instead of Mount Rushmore, we should just do blue bloods.

Speaker 1 But yeah, no Villa Bloods. How many, though? How many blue bloods? Don't tell SVP that.
Villanova has sticky fingers when it comes to settings. They are blue blood.

Speaker 1 They won one in 85. They have more than blue blood than UConn.
I will give them the 50. I know UConn has more titles.
They have the history.

Speaker 1 Here's what I say to anyone who's like, Villanova's not blue blood. It's like, dude, eventually

Speaker 1 you have to prove it at some point. Duke wasn't a blue blood in, what, 1985? Is Duke a blue blood? Are they now? Good question.
It's something

Speaker 1 that we have to do. No, what else did you guys want to get to?

Speaker 1 I mean, if you think about it,

Speaker 1 hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 I've lost my voice

Speaker 1 is Duke a blue blood or are they a program that had one good coach? Oh good question. Oh

Speaker 1 or you count like you're counting John Shiremi? Yeah, Vic Bubis. I'm talking about Vic Bubis who

Speaker 1 his name is literally Vic Bubis who went to the Final Four. It would be impossible to hate a coach

Speaker 1 right now named Vic Boobis. Way back in the day, yeah.

Speaker 1 It makes you think. I don't know.
Like, you take away take away everything. Take away the Coach K era.
What has Duke done?

Speaker 1 That's true. That's a fact.

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Speaker 1 Back to to the wing date. I don't want to go to the titles without Bob Knight.
It's a discussion that everyone's having, but I think it's important.

Speaker 1 If you stopped college basketball in 1990, Indiana is probably one of the best programs. Yes.
It's your state.

Speaker 1 It's your state.

Speaker 1 If you guys had several. Kevin Ollie, you go down the list.

Speaker 1 Micke closer to your mouth. What's up? Keep your mic closer to your mouth.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 It's been a long week.

Speaker 1 How's everybody's voice feeling?

Speaker 1 Because I don't know. You guys are professional podcasters.
I don't know how you do it, talking this much.

Speaker 1 Anybody have remedies? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Eventually, on the show. Or a day like this where you just talk so much, you just kind of lose track and the words just pour out of your mouth.

Speaker 1 And you just check off, okay, I've been talking for 30 seconds now, so done with that segment. Yeah, you got to just basically not talk for two days.
But PFT, he's not wearing his hat now.

Speaker 1 He's got a pretty cool hat he's been wearing. But on day one, we got here and he and Rudy and Hank went and they got hats and I was talking to Rudy.
I was like, what's up with the hat?

Speaker 1 He goes, it's a vacation hat. And I was like, we're not on vacation.
No. He was like, this is a trip.
No, he's like, New Orleans. He said he kept on saying vacation hat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I said, New Orleans is just a vacation.

Speaker 1 The word vacation I'm using in a very liberal sense here, but I don't need you policing vacation hats on me. You kind of are.
Your hat looks cool. I just said I look cool.

Speaker 1 You said your hat looks cool. You came hatless here? Well, I'm not.
Because he wore his on the plane, right? Yeah, he's.

Speaker 1 I brought hats on the plane. But when I go out of town, if I'm in in a new city, if I'm on a work trip, which is fun, a lot of times I'll get a fun vacation hat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like girls when they do the bachelor party, bachelorette party. They wear the shirts that all say the same thing.
They're the wine sings. Like

Speaker 1 Hakuna Moscata. I saw two of those last night on Bourbon Street.
Do you think they knew it was the Final Four weekend bachelor party? No, I saw a wedding last night.

Speaker 1 I saw, like, at the bar at 1 a.m., there is a bride and group. They were taking pictures outside of one of the bars.
That was, I mean, that's like the initial draft in Nashville a a couple years ago.

Speaker 1 You remember that with the bats? Yeah, they got mad. Yeah, they were so mad.

Speaker 1 That was my favorite, my favorite meme of that year.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's our guy Mincey, who I love. Salt of the Earth, King of the South.
Hogs for the Cause, great cause. If you haven't donated, go donate.

Speaker 1 But Mincy was like, I can't believe Dave and Dan are at Hogs for the Cause. And it was like, we're here for the Final Four.

Speaker 1 If the Final Four was anywhere else, we wouldn't be at Hogs for the Cause. I had a great time.
It was a lot of fun. But it was just like,

Speaker 1 the Final Four was the event. It went to the weekends.

Speaker 1 I have a question for Hank.

Speaker 1 Have you given any thought to this being a great opportunity for you to

Speaker 1 just completely shift your college basketball fan up? Have you thought about like

Speaker 1 just flush it? Maybe just let it go. That's a good question.
And find a new team. Like maybe this is a bit on the shoulders where you're like,

Speaker 1 I'm available. I'm a free agent.
Somebody find a new team.

Speaker 5 No, I think sports goes back to being a kid. And when I was a little kid, I was a huge Duke fan.

Speaker 5 And honestly, as I got older, and I kind of, you know, me and Big Cow were laughing about it, seeing the other Duke fans, and maybe me not identifying with them.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 But that was.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. These Duke fans, they were the nerdiest kids ever.
And I was like, Hank, Greg, there go your people. And he's like, Hank,

Speaker 1 do you own the horns that light up the people? I don't.

Speaker 1 Every time we touch hand motions, or...

Speaker 5 Again, I was also saying that's a tough song to be a rallying song.

Speaker 1 It was like a big song 2000.

Speaker 5 Either way, I was a huge fan when I was a kid. I never went to a real college.
That's always going to be the college I root for. Well, you did.
No matter what.

Speaker 1 What was it called?

Speaker 5 Boston University Center for Digital Imaging Arts. That's real.
Later to be unaccredited by Boston University.

Speaker 1 Went to a Final Four in 1924.

Speaker 1 Were they Blue Blood? Yeah, that's Blue Blood. Literally

Speaker 1 a building in Waltham.

Speaker 1 What about the coaches that they have?

Speaker 1 I agree with Hank. I don't think that you can change.
I think that this is your bed that you can. I also love how Matt is.
And now you have to lie in it. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, it's just so fun because people are like, all right.

Speaker 1 You got to lie to it.

Speaker 1 I think the only way that you can ever, because we talk about that from time to time, like, especially with Atlanta Falcons fans, where they're just like, I just want to quit my team.

Speaker 1 I want to get away from it. I think you should be allowed to quit your team and find a new one if

Speaker 1 the new place that you select, you have to take all of that city sports teams. You can't just

Speaker 1 switch your allegiance to the entire area. Drew Carey,

Speaker 1 he changed my thinking on this because I remember him talking about the Browns one time where he said, if any other business, if you like went to a restaurant and you ordered something and instead of bringing food, they just shit on a plate and handed it to you.

Speaker 1 It's so true. Nobody would follow you if you're like, you know what? I used to be loyal to that restaurant.

Speaker 1 Honestly, for the past seven years I've gone there, all they do is shit on the plate and hand it to me. And punch me in the nose.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go ahead and not go to this restaurant. It makes you feel really bad about myself.
Why do you keep doing well my dad used to do it? Yeah, my dad is all the time.

Speaker 1 And then his granddaughter has all these stories. I remember he made that point.
I was like, that actually checks out. That makes a lot of sense.
But also, you can't.

Speaker 1 So along those same lines, are Duke fans now, like, will they have to

Speaker 1 be a little less douchey knowing that they have that Trump card hanging over their head at all times? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because I've heard a lot about it, like, Duke fans being like, we'll never get over this one. But time heals all wounds.
Like, if Duke starts next season, are you going to let them hear the end of it?

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 1 Okay, obviously I'm not. But I'm saying, like, if Duke has the number one recruiting class, if they start next year 15-0,

Speaker 1 are they just as like,

Speaker 1 you know what I mean? Has a little bit of their confidence been rattled? Well, I think the position of Duke fans is that you hate them because you're jealous.

Speaker 1 We've talked about it. Yeah.
We don't hate them because we're jealous. We hate.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 There are a lot of good college men.

Speaker 5 You could never have gotten in there.

Speaker 1 Someone said that. A Duke fan actually said that to me.
They're like, you're mad because you couldn't get in there. I'm like, what? We're doing college insults? I'm 37.

Speaker 1 I like the people that say,

Speaker 1 you're not a Duke fan because you wouldn't have what it takes to remove my team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 But I think their point of view is always that everyone else is jealous. You're just a jealous hater.

Speaker 1 So now, I don't know how you can, if you're a Duke fan, you can honestly believe that people are jealous given what you've gone through. So

Speaker 1 if people continue to hate Duke, I don't know how you can rationalize in your brain that this is coming from a point of jealousy. That's a good point.
You know what I mean? People will be nice now.

Speaker 1 So I don't think they can be douchey.

Speaker 1 No one denies. I think it comes from you guys, the Duke haters.
Is your hate going to remain the same? Yes.

Speaker 5 No chance. I agree.

Speaker 1 No chance. I'm going to be honest.
Mine's not. I hate Kay.
I don't hate. But that's

Speaker 1 a K card, though. John Shire card is done.
It's a national champion. The job's not done.

Speaker 1 No, I won't. I won't.
I think what's going to happen is the hate is going to get a lot less until Coach Kay comes back halfway through next season after John Shire starts out eight years ago.

Speaker 1 And then he comes back to take a look at the match.

Speaker 1 My idea is Kay does like Undertaker does at WrestleMania where he only comes back for one match, and it's the North Carolina. Barry Alvarez.
Yeah, Barry Alvarez. And he takes a guy.

Speaker 1 North Carolina at Cameron Indoor Stadium, and he only comes back every year to coach that game until he wins it.

Speaker 1 And then he gets off. And then he actually returns.
It would be awesome if he just kept losing it, though, over and over.

Speaker 1 You're right, though. The hate won't be the same.

Speaker 1 Okay. Like,

Speaker 1 I've said, like, I still will hate Duke. I'm not going to hate John Shire.

Speaker 1 I'm going to let it naturally come to me. I'm sure eventually he will, anyone in Kay's coaching tree will eventually piss me off.
But, like, it won't be the same. It won't.
I'll miss him.

Speaker 1 He's a great heel. All right, I'll give you an example.
I'm older than you guys, but the early 90s, Jimmy Johnson, Dallas Cowboys. Whereas if you weren't a fan of that, like you

Speaker 1 hated

Speaker 1 that team, I don't hate them as much as I used to. Yeah, no, you feel bad for the Cowboys.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, there's a little bit of like, oh, the Cowboys, that's funny. It was just like, look how good this is.
You're right. That's right.
He had everything. He beat the system with the draft.

Speaker 1 He had all the picks. Look at all the Hall of Famers from that.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to compare. That's the only thing that Duke just sucks.

Speaker 1 Here's the difference, though. Duke does have the number one recruiting class.
Like, they're going to keep being good. Yes.
Yep. They're not going to have...

Speaker 1 I'd be shocked if John Shire has like, if it nosedives. They're going to be good.

Speaker 1 Oh, you think?

Speaker 1 What do you think? Tell us. I mean, Michigan had the number one recruiting class this year.
Yeah. John Howard, then smush together.
Yeah. Joe Krabenoff.

Speaker 1 I hear you, but

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't think you can say confidently what's going to happen with Duke. And that's what's so interesting is that for the first time, we don't know.

Speaker 1 I really don't think we know.

Speaker 1 John Shire is my age, so the idea of him say, I don't know. I've never heard Titus say, I don't know.
I would put humble by the chicken. Never have I heard Tumble.

Speaker 1 What would you put your, like, if you had to put your life on the line and you said, hey, Titus, if Duke wins one title in the next 10 years, you've got to kill yourself.

Speaker 1 Wait, what's the question? I didn't take it. If they went zero, you get to live.
If they went zero, you get to live. I don't take that bet.

Speaker 1 I do not accept those certainty. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't disagree with that. I just

Speaker 1 start to pass.

Speaker 1 Over a half a championship in the next decade for Duke.

Speaker 1 Life on the line. I would take the under.
That's how I would ask the question. I would take the answer.

Speaker 1 I'll bet you our lives. Yeah.
Yeah. We're not tested out.
We get to kill you, dude. We get to kill the loser.

Speaker 1 We get to to kill the loser. We get 10 years.
Because the rationale is this. In 2012, if you would have said a decade for Mark View to win a title.
I'd say no.

Speaker 1 And Zaga plays in a Mickey Mouse conference.

Speaker 1 And I would have been right. So you kill yourself.

Speaker 1 That's how it works.

Speaker 1 That would be...

Speaker 1 I think there are so many guys. Like, obviously, Duke, as a program, has won a ton of national titles.
John Shire, we don't know. He's not proven.

Speaker 1 And for the idea that you can just step in to a machine that's already built and ride it to a national championship. You went to see about two.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't think that's necessarily a given. I kind of hope, though, that Shire steps into Coach K's shoes and does some of the same stuff that Coach Kate did.

Speaker 1 Like, I want... Duke to continue to be the villain.
I don't want Shire to step in and to be a likable guy and to make friends with all the reporters and to be doing TikToks and shit.

Speaker 1 I don't want Duke to get yelled.

Speaker 1 He's still killed. He got to fight with Pat Sullivan, John Shire.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I did see that.

Speaker 1 That's what you were saying. Yeah.
Get a little fire going. So So maybe you're on to something.
I do want that, though. It's important to me to have certain traditions that are kept alive in sports.

Speaker 1 I think Duke just being like a personality. So you need something to keep the hatred.
I need the bad guy. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I want to point at somebody and be like, that's... Wait, say it.

Speaker 1 Who's the bad guy? That's the bad guy. That's the bad guy.
Yeah, you never see another bad guy like him.

Speaker 1 He's the guy. I think the Duke fans are always going to be nerdy and always.
Like, the camera crazies aren't going away. So there's still bad guy.

Speaker 1 Like, there's still going to be. I saw a dude in a full blue and white, like

Speaker 1 it was like a

Speaker 1 Spartan uniform, like actual Sparta, like

Speaker 1 whatever, 3,000 years ago, with

Speaker 1 the armor

Speaker 1 and like

Speaker 1 a skirt. He was walking down.
I also think he should stop wearing the rugby. Dude, what are you doing? They should not be allowed to wear rugby shirts.

Speaker 1 It's stolen valor.

Speaker 1 They're the least rugby people in the world. Good tradition.

Speaker 1 Have you ever rooted for Duke?

Speaker 1 In basketball, men's.

Speaker 1 I would say the early 2000s, there was a time when I didn't hate Duke.

Speaker 1 Like 2001, Final Four, they're coming back against Maryland. The Miracle Minute in Coalfield House.
Like, watching that, I wasn't necessarily cheering for Duke.

Speaker 1 I was like, this is pretty cool that they're coming back from down 10 or the minute. And the Final Four,

Speaker 1 I like that team. There are Duke teams that I like.
The 2019 team, I actually really liked. I like the Zion, R.J.
Barrett, Cam Reddit. I like those guys.
They seem like likable guys.

Speaker 1 You called the 2015 title. The 2015 title.
He did.

Speaker 1 Justice Winslow is like one of your favorite players. Justice Winslow is one of my favorite players.
13 fouls to six in the second game. I argue for Justice Winslow being number one pick because.

Speaker 1 Did Sam Zecker play that night? 13 fouls to six. He got concussed in the game before, you motherfucker.
That's very rude. He had two airballs.
He got concussed. So

Speaker 1 I don't think. I actually asked him that.
I was like, dude, like... Off the record, were you concussed? He was like, that is the meanest thing you could ever ask.

Speaker 1 Off the record, were you concussed?

Speaker 1 So, yeah, yeah, I think there's a world where I don't hate Duke moving forward. I just hated Coach K.
I really did that. Have you ever? No.
Never. No.
No. Because you were saying to me, like,

Speaker 1 we were too young, you know, 85.

Speaker 1 You were saying, like, the UNLV game

Speaker 1 was one of the greatest upside. Unbelievable.
I don't. I was too young for that.
Yeah. Like, I don't remember that.
All-timer.

Speaker 1 So I think that, yeah, if I was a little bit older, maybe that changes things. Because there's definitely something to be said about the tournament.

Speaker 1 You always find yourself gravitating towards the underdog story, and we just were too, we just missed the cut to see Duke as an underdog.

Speaker 1 Right, right. Like, Duke was, by the time I started having memories of March Madness, it was, you know, Christian Leightoner had already happened or was happening.

Speaker 1 Like, after that first 14 years, the Panders always bring up the year before. They don't remember 91, but they bring up 90 when they got beat by 30 by you.

Speaker 1 The biggest deficit in the history of New York.

Speaker 1 Mike Dunley is a guy I love. Yeah, I think I'm a good one.
I love Mike Dunley. I love Mike Dunley when he's in college.
I love him now. I saw Mike Dunley Donley at the time.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think what's a Duke guy I like. Who's your favorite Duke player? I'm trying to think.
Chris Clark,

Speaker 5 Daniel Ewing, Wojo. Sean Dockery.

Speaker 1 I wish that Wojo was like a little bit better. Patrick Randy.

Speaker 1 I can't even muster up hate for Wojo because he was like just not good enough to hate. Josh McRoberts.
But he was fun to watch.

Speaker 1 I didn't hate Trajan Langdon just because it was funny to say that he was from Alaska. Yeah.
There it is. That's it.
That's the nicest thing I've ever said about Duke. User from Alaska.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the nicest thing I can say about Duke. Trajan Langdon was like a nice, fun, like, hey here, that guy's from Alaska.

Speaker 1 What a story. It's just like, what? Okay.
Yeah, they just repeat it all the time on the broadcast.

Speaker 1 Cherokee Parks. Yeah, Cherokee Parks.

Speaker 5 Lual Dang.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love Luwaldang.

Speaker 1 We're all doing great Chicago Ball. But

Speaker 1 Waldang made Coach K upset by leaving. Well, no, that's why he was.

Speaker 1 I was the first guy that Coach K was like, I will make an exception to my rule because his entire family and all of their friends live in abject poverty halfway around the world.

Speaker 1 So I understand that it's important to him to make money while he can. But that's what it took for Cody Skater Bridge.
Yes. It was like, do you want his family to die? And he made him cry first.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He brought Luol Deng's mom into the office and was like,

Speaker 1 you've disgraced the Duke Blue Devils. We're just having nothing to happen.
We're now doing the thing, that tweet that says guys will just sit around and just mention athletes.

Speaker 1 We're literally doing that. We're just like naming players from the 90s.

Speaker 1 Daniel Ewing. Remember him? Clubberback? The prime dog? Oh, fuck.
All right. All right.
Then we'll wrap it up.

Speaker 1 Roback question.

Speaker 1 Last night. Speaking of.
Hold on. I've been.

Speaker 1 How dare you interrupt the Roback Question?

Speaker 1 Is that the Robot? Have you ever gotten products for these guys? I have gotten Roback. Shout out Roback.
Dude, he hooked it up. I got you.
I got you.

Speaker 1 They don't make Forex. Remember what you said.

Speaker 1 That was for the 2015.

Speaker 1 That was for the 2015. Marie Bay.
All right, I'm going to the gym.

Speaker 1 I'll see you guys.

Speaker 1 Closest gym. Anyone? New Orleans does have a good way of making you feel like, oh my God, I need to be on a diet right now.
Steve, when was the last time you were in a bar fight?

Speaker 1 I feel like you could still wreck some shit.

Speaker 1 Like, don't make Steve angry. Never.
There's one rule.

Speaker 1 Get up against the bar.

Speaker 1 Get up against the bar. Why is that? Oh, can't come from behind.
Bar fight. I like that.
That's a great rule. Yeah.
Steve would remember. Steve versus Rasila barfight.
Steve would fuck Rasilla.

Speaker 1 Rascilla, Rasilla, bar fight. I think Rascilla.
No, Rasilla's got popcorn muscles.

Speaker 1 I have popcorn muscles. He does.

Speaker 1 You've got man strength. I do have a zero strength.
Rascilla is like a supersized boy. You got dad's strength.
You're too,

Speaker 1 which is like.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Brasillo is a voice. We're not sitting on his couch again.

Speaker 1 If you need someone to show you.

Speaker 1 If you need someone to show you there's squats, like that's Rasille. But if you need someone to beat

Speaker 1 someone that's you. That's a great point.
Steve. Ryan, I take it all back.
Let's take some time.

Speaker 1 If I need a hit, I'll say Steve is like in my top five calls. Agreed.
Yeah. Agreed.
I appreciate the compliment

Speaker 1 after Dan's.

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Speaker 1 You know I do that all the time. But you know, like, in this business,

Speaker 1 in this business, you get like free shit, right? I'd like to hit up everyone who gives me free shit, being like, hey, it's 2x now. So

Speaker 1 you just make sure you update the record.

Speaker 1 It's like when you're just losing your debit card and you have to update all your auto-recurring payments, the cat hits up all the free shit because, dude, I was like, put another X on that.

Speaker 1 I was like, yeah, you sent me a bunch of sweet gear, but none of it fits. So, yeah, 2x, please.

Speaker 1 All right, robot question.

Speaker 1 Oh, let's do a quick preview of the game tonight. Who we got? Pick.

Speaker 1 UNC's plus four.

Speaker 1 Over under 1452.5, I want to say. Is it that free? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why don't you start, Steve? You're the handicapper. Where'd you go this year? You went 90%?

Speaker 1 Not 90. A little under.

Speaker 1 We've had a good tournament, and it's because we've adopted two words. We had a tough elite eight.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's a long tournament.
Oh, I'm multiplying the text. This is bad.
This is me and Steve. Well, I'm implicating myself, too, Steve.
I mean, you may have to.

Speaker 1 You had to send some more people for the 2XL techs, too. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 The 4XL. I've lived by the Carolina money line.
I just feel like

Speaker 1 they're not. I don't know.
I still didn't understand why Duke was a four-point favorite.

Speaker 1 Now, you have the whole idea of, is it, did they win their title last night or Saturday night?

Speaker 1 You know, Kansas, did they use their best game Saturday? Like, there's just a lot of things. I just love the ability of Carolina being able to score at every position.

Speaker 1 Well, Kansas used their best half in the second half against Miami, but then they extended that into two more halves. And extended it to a full four half.

Speaker 1 So that's three halves of their best three halves of the year. Can they do it again?

Speaker 1 I'm thinking it's Kansas. It's like, don't overthink it.
It's Kansas. This was UNC's title game.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Here's the text message I was referring to. Steve and I were texting on Saturday morning of the Elite Eight, and Steve said, I love all four of these games so much.
It's scary. Moneyline Parliament.

Speaker 1 And I said, give me the picks. He said, Arkansas, Miami, UNC, Houston.
Moneyline parlay. I said, I love it.
I got my nuts on Houston and Miami.

Speaker 1 Bloodbath. I don't think we texted him until we got to Louisiana.

Speaker 1 Bloodbath.

Speaker 1 I love these picks so much.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's Cambling, baby.

Speaker 1 I think you got to ride to UNC. That's what I'd say.
Kansas just played a near-perfect game.

Speaker 1 For the sake of our dear friend Mark, who went out on a limb today and joined us for his sake and his podcast, I do think Kansas winning helps your number. Yeah,

Speaker 1 what is better content? Kansas winning? Watch Tate Crowder. Yes, without a doubt.

Speaker 1 That's what you want. You want it.
All right, well, then I'll break for Kansas.

Speaker 1 My problem is, actually,

Speaker 1 I think when I turned down week night three years ago, I got killed for it. Yeah, I wasn't

Speaker 1 laughing in in our face.

Speaker 1 Just for your BFT. Well,

Speaker 1 I was going to say that, like, I think that almost you're in a bad position because since Tate already won his national championship game, you're not going to get that same good nervous breakdown if they lose the title game.

Speaker 1 Right. Because he's got this.
You really wanted him to lose last night. Yeah, but

Speaker 1 yeah, I know. I know.
No,

Speaker 1 this is the one thing that I have the most experience in.

Speaker 1 This is my expertise,

Speaker 1 my line of expertise, is knowing when to start rooting against your co-host to experience maximum hard for the money. The most listened to show we've ever done at any iteration.

Speaker 1 We've had five different iterations of our show. The most listened to show we ever did was when Kay lost his last game of Cameron and people could not get it up.
Yeah. So

Speaker 1 beautiful night.

Speaker 1 I don't know what we did last night. I think though

Speaker 1 here's the other thing. You don't want

Speaker 1 like the reason why PFT and I work so well for many other reasons, but like one of the ones that you can actually say is like neither of our teams are really good across the board.

Speaker 1 We've had some success. You know the Cubs won the Nats won the Caps one.
But if we were

Speaker 1 six years over all major sports?

Speaker 1 All right. Okay, but Hank is the winner on the bank.
Hank is the winner.

Speaker 1 If if one of us was just winning all the time, it would be like the imbalance would be, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So if he wins this,

Speaker 1 he owns you. He owns me? Oh, yeah.
He owns me. Oh, buddy.
He owns you. When was the last time you won something? Dude, is this like a divide and conquer thing? No, I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 We're trying to break you guys up. He owns you.

Speaker 1 Cubs? Yeah. No,

Speaker 1 I personally carried Ohio State to a Final Four in 2007, so I kind of have that trump over him, you know? Yeah, that's true. I have a literal Final Four ring.
Do you think you have a Final Four ring?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do have it. Is it still fit? It's way too big.
I'm not kidding. I was going to say.
Do you ever call him out?

Speaker 1 Are you ever like both of us?

Speaker 1 So you have Malmo's fat. Do you ever call him out or are you ever like, you never even played the game at the Iowa Final?

Speaker 1 I do what

Speaker 1 i tell him that he never played quarterback like so you can't talk about calendar if you don't play quarterback in the nfl you can't talk about anything you can talk about any sports i want you and see to win actually just because i don't want duke fans to have that one because the conversation would literally be oh yeah we beat you on case last game like and then what happened next yeah i i uh

Speaker 1 I'm kind of

Speaker 1 with Steve in that like Carolina money line is the most fun bet you can make and it might be the smartest move because I

Speaker 1 Kansas is better, obviously, but Baylor was better than Carolina. UCLA was better than Carolina.
Duke was better than Carolina. St.
Peter's.

Speaker 1 St. Peter's is better than Carolina.
I mean,

Speaker 1 every step of the way, Carolina has. I don't know.
They're playing really well. And as you said, Dan, like Kansas, where they shoot, like 60% of the shots.
It was insane. They made every shot.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think Liki Black on Akbaji is a great matchup for Carolina. Leaky Black was incredible last night.
I think Baycott's better than McCormick. So

Speaker 1 that's going to be an advantage Carolina, but I don't know. Kansas is better, so

Speaker 1 I don't know. That's

Speaker 1 as I said, I don't know a lot. What if Gino was coaching Carolina?

Speaker 1 Now we're talking about... Sabin was coaching Kansas.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Great. Great hypothetical.

Speaker 1 What if Bob Koozi was playing 40 minutes for Kansas

Speaker 1 on Monday night? What would stat line look like?

Speaker 1 What if you had a bunch of people? Would it be a Club Trillion? Yeah, would it be a Club Snell?

Speaker 1 How fucked up is it, by the way, that the guy that invented basketball was the only coach at Kansas to have a losing record. Like, he invented an entire sport and then sucked at coaching it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 If Kansas beats

Speaker 1 Carolina, do you think Royal

Speaker 1 Caroline? He's going to have to have

Speaker 1 one camera?

Speaker 1 Like, we're going to have every view of him. Dude, every camera's on Coach K, dude.
What are you talking about? Like, camera's on Coach Coke. Coach K is not going to be there.
Oh, he'll be there.

Speaker 1 They'll find a way to have a camera on him. He'll come back.
His essence will be there. there.

Speaker 1 I want to shout at Roy, though, the moment if Kansas wins, the moment all the confetti pops, I want to see how Roy reacts because I wonder if he's going to clap. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just forget where he is for a minute? Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know. The Roy Williams champion chip.
It is, yes, the Roy Williams champion.

Speaker 1 Do you think that there's any merit to the claim that I've been kind of making for the last few years that Roy Williams, at his time at UNC, was a better head coach than Coach K during that same time period?

Speaker 1 Is there any merit to Roy at UNC being better than Coach Cook? Roy is the superior coach to Coach K during that time period. Yes.
Like all jokes aside, all jokes aside, I actually believe that. Yes.

Speaker 1 If you look at the stats, you can't deny it. So does Steve.
Yes. Steve, how much final four?

Speaker 1 UConn's going to tip off here against South Carolina. The only thing I say to this is like you, it is.

Speaker 1 You're basically just cutting out Coach K's greatest years where he was.

Speaker 1 I get it. No, I'm just talking about

Speaker 1 it. Coach K never even won the ACC.
He won it. It's 26.
20 seconds.

Speaker 1 I mean, you can't even win the league. I've just been so hyper-aware of making sure all my Coach K slander arguments are like airtight, where

Speaker 1 I don't deviate from anything that's not fact. I mean, I'll give you the stats right now and tell you like.
No, I know, but a Tube fan would be like, dude, John just cut out his best team.

Speaker 1 Four titles, right? Three titles, four titles. Yeah.

Speaker 1 05 team probably better. He has is he kept he kept Roy Williams boxed out of the U.S.
the national team. Wouldn't let him coach that.
Probably

Speaker 1 gold medals. Coach for life.
All right. Raymond numbers.
Guess. 0 to 100.

Speaker 1 0.

Speaker 1 6. Derek, what do you got?

Speaker 1 18.

Speaker 1 25? 3. Derek took Jacob.
You got to remember your numbers. 34.
12.

Speaker 1 26. 5.
12. 12.

Speaker 1 No one's going high. I'll go

Speaker 1 79.

Speaker 1 55.

Speaker 1 Double nickel. Damn.
I think KD had a double nickel down right, didn't he? Oh, yeah. That's your point, right? He lost.
It was like KD had 55, Kyrie had 31, and they lost.

Speaker 1 Love you guys.

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Speaker 1 things that you say,

Speaker 1 things that you say

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Speaker 1 Just the flame of worries away.

Speaker 1 You're all the things I've got to remember.

Speaker 1 Be shy and away.

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