Life Episode 2 With Ryen Russillo & Mark Titus

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Episode two. hang out on Washington and then I can't all on the sun oh no we're gonna rock down to electric avenue and then we'll take it higher oh we're gonna rock down to electric avenue it's pardon my take there's anything about martial sports okay we are at Ryan Russillo's house.

It is Ryan Russillo, Mark Titus, PFD, myself.

Life episode two.

The afterlife.

The afterlife.

What happens when you die?

No, we're back.

It's been, I think, what, it was two and a half years ago.

Is it really? Yeah, because my son is two and a half.

So I've had two kids in between, and we back you got how many kids you have two oh the way you phrased that though two kids in between well it was before my son was born right although ryan sends gifts to my son not my daughter he sent me he sent me lebron's children's book and i sent back a video of of me just being like, we don't like this guy. And then I sent him a 500-piece clear puzzle.
He just threw the trash. Like a clear jigsaw puzzle that you have to just feel your way into putting together.
All the pieces are clear, and you just have to. That's actually a huge dickhead gift.
I mean, again, he sent me the LeBron book, and then this. Okay, but I also sent you cars.
Yes, that's true. You didn't even know that I sent i was like hey you playing with those cards like dude he won't put them down i was like oh that was for me so i think i was a little resentful that i didn't get more props not even from big cap but more his son because he apparently liked the gift so then after that i was like all right i'm gonna send him a lebron book maybe there is a lesson in there for him and then when i sent the clear puzzle of 500 pieces pieces, even after I said yes on the order, I was like, that was kind of a dick for me.
It showed up, and I was like, what's going on? I would hate that if somebody gave me a clear puzzle. Yeah.
Because I would try to do it. Right, you can't just throw it away.
You have to do it, and then it's the most frustrating experience. Oh, yeah.
You didn't even try. No, I saw it.
It sat on my desk. In the memo I put, for you and your son to enjoy for days on end or something.
It sat on my desk, and then a week later, Ryan was like, did you like that gift? I was like, what are you talking about? And then he's like, it's a clear puzzle. And then I was like, oh, okay.
And then I threw it out. Can you clear something up? Because I've been secretly living in shame for the last probably two and a half years.
Because you were telling somebody at the time, when somebody is nine months pregnant they're actually 10 months pregnant yes and i pretended to be like yeah that's right and this entire like for the last two and a half years i've been trying to do the math in my head it's figure out how many months pregnant a woman is it's like they get to like nine and a half ten it's like closer to ten than nine oh i thought the whole time it was like a whole year zero thing. No, no, no, no.
So you get that. No, it's longer than you think.
This is that bodybuilding forum. Yeah, yeah.
Right, right, right. That conversation.
But in Arizona, though. Put that back up.
They don't change the time. They don't change the time.
Yeah, yeah. It's true.
So it's about 8 1⁄2. All right, so yeah, we're back.
We'll chop it up. I don't think I've seen you guys since then, have we? Like, in person? You too.
I saw you in New York at one point.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I was driving over here.

I realized the pandemic.

I haven't, frankly, I haven't seen anybody.

Yeah, I mean, Titus and Russell are, like, hardcore, like, stay in their house.

Yes.

COVID scary guys.

Yes.

We've been living our life for a while now.

And, you know, maybe everyone in Barstool got COVID. That might have had something to do with it we all have a lot of natural immunity yeah I got it twice within like a three week span there's a couple guys that work there their desks alone I'll be like well Ryan asked us to put on masks when we came inside of his house today he said fuck you Lib hey look the mandate's 15th every's like, oh, so you guys went back to work really quickly? And I'm like, yeah.
And literally everyone got COVID. So probably not the smartest.
We were actually ahead of the curve a little bit because we said, well, we're in each other's quarantine bubble. It'll be fine because it's just us hanging out so we can come into the office.
Little did we realize that three weeks later, everybody also had that exact same mentality but they were also coming to work too so now all of our bubbles overlap we didn't really plan this out that well it was the dabbo method just everyone get it yeah that's right good all the bowl games we'll be able to play the bowl game no problem yes p i mean have you noticed i mean basically once one league did it everybody else the nba just was like all right we got it like 100 positive tests in one day and i mean the nfl playoffs right the nfl playoffs nothing no i think we should give more credit to the nfl for stopping covid in its tracks that's also the playoffs i i just wanted to tip the cap to omicron for respecting big games as well that i noticed like college basketball teams were testing positive like crazy when it wasn't necessarily a big game but then the college football bowls were getting canceled but the playoffs weren't yeah and like the games that you know except for Michigan except for your guys's well yeah that was bad and Michigan ducked Michigan State Michigan did yes yeah that's our COVID update. Michigan's amazing.

I mean, that's the kind of program.

That's the template, right?

Harbaugh owns Ohio State.

We were just saying it before we started.

That's a fact.

No, but if you say, like, what do I want?

If I get hired tomorrow by Auburn, it's like, what do you want to do?

I'm like, I want to be Michigan to the south.

Right, exactly.

I want to bully ball.

You just run the football.

Yeah.

How come you guys didn't think about stopping the run? Dan, I was prepared for you and I to be on a team ball you just run the football yeah how come you guys didn't think about stopping the run this is uh dan i was i was prepared for you and i to be on a team like we are yeah big 10 versus rusillo um that's true but yeah rusillo doesn't let rusillo like i swear to god at the end of the college football season he was like listen a healthy lsu could beat every team in the country it's like came down to last play. Came down to last play against...
They were one quarterback away. They were starting a fucking wide receiver in their bowl game against kids.
But if you look at the recruiting, LSU should win this game. So, actually, Ryan, I have a...
That team this year will have 35 pros. I want to hear your thoughts because, you know, like, we're probably the only bigger LSU fans than you are.

No, that's true.

Yeah.

They ask about you guys a lot, so I think they're done. I think they're done with you guys now.

There is some sneaky resentment that Rosilla holds towards us for loving LSU,

but we're not going to apologize for loving LSU.

What are your thoughts about Brian Kelly and his tenure there?

Because right now I think we've swung over.

We still love LSU,

but I'm rooting a little bit harder for it to be an absolute train wreck. Can't root for that guy.
Yeah. Brian Kelly wins everywhere he goes.
All right? I mean, it's not even debatable. That's not why I can't root for him.
Right. The dancing videos.
That's not why I can't root for him. Yeah.
All right. You want to go ahead and fill us in? No.
I mean, he seems a guy that just goes wherever the wind's blowing. Yeah.
No loyal. I'm talking about him bouncing around jobs, Ryan.
Yeah, all right. Well, don't turn him into Todd Graham here.
I mean, he got offered eight figures to go to LSU. I mean, you know, what's he supposed to do? I think Kelly's a winner, and I think he's going to have an awesome staff.
I think there's always a little hesitancy when you're not from there.

Whenever you're a guy that's not from the south and you're at one of the schools,

you could say the same thing about a lot of the schools down south,

but it's almost like you get an extra year of being disappointed

if you're from the area.

Like Scott Frost rule.

Yeah, Scott Frost is Jim Harbaugh.

By the way, Nebraska was good.

You were on that all year.

That was one of the best worst record teams this year.

The best three-win team I've ever seen in my life. Ever.
Every game they played within eight points. Do a 30 for 30 on it.
It was crazy. Seriously, they could have kept the semifinal closer than Michigan and Georgia.
Wow. They could have been within – they probably would have played Georgia within like eight points.
I swear to God. I swear to God.
I don't know how it happens. I'm quite ready to go there.
No, I am. Especially when you're talking about Michigan being the model.
God damn it. No, but that's Nebraska.
Nebraska, though, what they – sorry, and I'll shut up. But like Nebraska, that's when you're like, gambling's awesome.
Yeah. Because I figured out this team where they're getting too many points because I watch them every week.
Anyway, you guys have more important stuff.

I think what just happened right there, by the way,

has been me every time I get out of my house.

I get in front of somebody and I just see my little window

to talk about something because I haven't really socialized much.

Then we just go nuts.

We just make one little comment about the Big Ten.

Now we're going to go for every Big Ten school,

going over their depth chart. Purdue had a pretty nice season.
You know, big win. Purdue didn't screw around.
Did you guys want to do a Big Ten recap? I'm ready to do it anytime you want. Indiana, I knew there were frauds.
So what's the longest, how many days, what's the longest you've gone without talking to a person, Titus? 30 days, 40 days? Like outside of of my... Yourself? I'm not counting FaceTime and calling people.
Oh, you had a girlfriend this whole time? I don't want to hear about it. Yeah, you don't know hard living.
It's not hard mode. Right.
Rusillo, like, opened up his house and was like, welcome in. I've been waiting two years.
I was wondering where my ringer salary went to see it in person. It is a sight to behold to be here.
It's actually a really nice house. I'm a little bit concerned with how clean it is.
What if this isn't my house? Yeah, that would be great. This actually does feel like an Airbnb that somebody set up ahead of time, with exception of ryan put up his storyboard from his latest his latest screenplay which he spent a long time working on and we came in we looked at it and i was like oh you got a little four-act screenplay over here and i started reading the actual notes on it and i didn't want to be rude but i was like how the fuck does any of this make sense and then we came back upstairs later and and ron was like i thought you guys

would take a closer look and then we realized it was a joke with just a bunch of notes down

the world's worst movie in pre-production uh but yeah this place does it feels it it feels

very clean to me which is concerning because you spend a lot of time in here apparently

i just hit a certain age where i go i just sick of looking at stuff you know i don't want stuff

around this japanese minimalist is the inspiration behind the finishes here um although a lot of the

Thank you. apparently i just hit a certain age where i go i just sick of looking at stuff you know i don't want stuff around this japanese minimalist is the inspiration behind the finishes here although a lot of the the wood is russian oak reclaimed russian oak what is that age the reclaimed russian oak no well there's different various stages of russian history well i'm i'm actually iris woods for many times it's actually funny because it's like if we're're going to, you know, hop into some life shit, it is very funny to, I think that you're past that age or were past that age a long time ago.
But like when you hit that like 27 or 28 and you're like, I don't, I kind of don't want to live in a dump all the time. Yeah.
I remember I had a friend. I don't want to have the remote.
It's about that age where I had a friend go, all right, well, what do you want to do? Do you want to watch a game? And he goes, I don't want to watch a game at your house. It's always a shithole.
And I went, not wrong. Yeah.
He's not wrong. And, you know, I just always had stuff.
There was always stuff on the couches. You know, when I grew up, I'm the oldest of five.
Our house was fucking trashed all the time. So, like, if you have kids running around, your house is just going to be a mess.
So, like, I don't, you know, I don't know what it was. I sort of used to used to it i don't think i was a sloppy guy titus has has making money made it easier yes get rid of stuff though like is that part of it like when you're here and you have no money you're like i can't get rid of this shirt that i wear once a year because i might need it again or something and then like as you get older you're just like fuck it i'll just buy a new one and you just kind of don't need as much stuff yeah do you have a pile though like a like i have a i mean everyone knows i'm in our office i have we're hoarders because we get shit sent to us but i have my house is very nice and neat and then there's one closet that if you open it it could fall like i opened it once and like my son looked like was looking he's like wait what's in there like like all these toys and all this shit that you've just been...
Do you have that closet here?

I do.

I have a box.

That's actually the life advice.

You just got to make enough money that you can have one closet with all your shit.

I packed up a box when I moved from Burlington above the restaurant that I lived above.

So when I started out on this career, this journey, it's like 20 years ago to to like the month i packed up this box that i have just moved every time so i've moved it from boston to jersey to the vineyard to boston to hartford to west hartford to la to or to malibu to la and the thing is i haven't opened it and it's just a bunch of weird can we open it can we go the box, Ryan? Open it. I don't even know what's in it.
It's just, I was like, hey, I'll just put this, the weird shit will be in here. Yeah.
And then I was like, you know, I haven't had a moment where I'm like, hey, I want it. So maybe we'll do it.
Not tonight, though. No way.
But that is like the. I feel like if you open the box, you're like, there's something about breaking that seal.
Like you've gone all this time without looking. Like the ring? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah i don't want that comes back yeah i miss 2002 ryan i don't love his his bank account but i do miss that guy yeah there's definitely there's a lot of times where i'm like you know especially like on the weekend when i'm you know doing a lot of parenting i'm like i miss the dude who can just go and get drunk at a bar at like noon but then you don't really miss him but you do what what is the biggest difference between having the two kids not not emotionally because like i mean your answer is going to be like it's you know yeah i love more whatever blah blah blah who cares that is the truth though that's one of those ones that like if you don't have kids and i don't i'm not shaming anyone but like when you do have a kid you're like oh fuck this is completely different than anything else i have a dog i get it yeah it's a love you can't understand what uh what what is the what is the biggest difference day-to-day life or like the the thing you've had to cut out that you didn't anticipate having to cut out it's and having kids it's like there's no there's like very little time where i can just do nothing yeah you know what i mean like there's very there's like maybe it's like friday night and then like maybe like an hour or two on like a weeknight where i can literally just do absolutely nothing that's the part like where you can't like i can't just like sleep till 11 and be like i'm gonna do nothing on saturday yeah that's i'd say that's the biggest time thing but it's you know it is what it is right yeah don't have kids i actually think you should but who me or all of us everybody no yes yes why'd i get a no i just i don't know i feel like i'd like to examine this a little further.
I do feel like I might be on Team No Kids. Yeah, which is fine.
I mean, I don't think... I think it's not for everyone.
Why don't you commit to it then? I don't think I'm ready to commit to it yet. All right.
But I feel like Team No Kids is... I don't know.
It's a selfish thing to say, but I'm completely open with the fact that I'm okay having no kids. And i feel like my biggest fear is that i'll get to the age of like 50 and 60 and be like i wish i had had kids earlier yeah not like like yeah especially if you're in a wheelchair like really young yeah yeah true true i wish i had had kids earlier and i had kids when i was 34 yeah that's not that late you start to do the math and you're like oh i'll be this age when they graduate from high school this age when they get married and then you're like wow that's pretty old but then wait five years from now that's going to be even older and so i think about that but i'm like i don't i really do not want kids right now i mean i don't think yeah i don't think you're ever ready right like you're never there's never a time when you say to yourself or you're the one that's been through it yeah i think you're there is a weird thing that like switched in my brain where i was for a very long time like i don't want kids and then like kind of right around like 33 34 i was like wait i kind of do want kids i mean i i definitely want kids i know that i want kids at some point in my life i think um that's that's something i would like to do but i at no point if you ask like right now if even if i was happily married and whatever i i don't want kids right now right i'm not gonna want them next year either like every time you ask me i'm gonna be like not now i don't want to fuck up what i got going on right it did kind of switch in my brain where it was like one day it was like no i don't really want kids and the next i was like actually i kind of do yeah and i i also think that like the internet does a terrible like it's it becomes like kind of cool to complain your kids online.
Yeah. And it's like that's so lame.
I don't like to do that because I think it's just lame and also someday your kid's probably going to read it. And it's like – and I also like – Start deleting.
It's like when Russell Westbrook ends up on the rockets. Yeah, right.
Right. To be totally honest though, it's fucking fun.
Like it, like, a ton of fun. And it's very different, and it's hard, but it's fun.
So. If there was a mistake and there was a child on the way for me, I would be, fuck yeah.
I'd be like, okay. Right, right.
You adapt very quickly. Yeah.
Does that make us, does that, I'm with you, PFT, that, like, but that make us cowardly that we we don't have it in us to just like dive no i got calm we can't just like step up and be like all right let's take this challenge on we have to like let the challenge accidentally approach us and then we can handle it's interesting that you say that because i feel like that's how i've kind of stumbled into a lot of different things that i've done i've like been forced into situations that i did not initially want to get into right then i'm like okay let's do this and make the best of it and then i'm always like really happy afterwards right so maybe it does maybe it just takes like one night one really strong swimmer and that's it uh i had i remember the first time I thought i was gonna have a kid i was 21 oh yeah i headed back to uvm for my senior year and this older woman fitness instructor no big deal she was like i'm pregnant and i was like this is gonna fuck up my senior year so bad yeah that would that was definitely a time i wasn't ready and it wasn't gonna turn back on anytime soon and then uh guess what magic of science uh i think she was just fucking with me seeing how i react pretty nasty that's actually a funny it well it wasn't funny for me at the time but i remember being like well fuck like i guess how am i gonna do this i gotta come back to like this isn't gonna this is gonna like Can I go out on Thursdays still? I'll cut off Wednesdays. Will it be a custody thing? Because I'll definitely not have 50-50.
I'm 21 in school. We have a dog and there's six of us, so the kid can't probably stay with us that much.
Anyway, look, it didn't happen and here we are. We should also acknowledge that we're having this serious conversation.
Ryan's wearing shorts that are like three inches. These are five, but my thighs have been blowing up this past year.
The shorts are short enough that you're like, I don't want kids. They're gross.
I didn't mean to sit next to you guys like this. It is.
But there's so much thigh right now. I mean, my thighs have definitely improved.
I don't know if we're at PFT teardrop level, but, you know, we're getting there. How are your legs? How are your legs? My legs are not as good as – so I spent like this last year or so just working on cardio.
And then in the last month, Billy's got me in the gym working out more. So the thighs are going to come back soon, but they're not where I'd want them to be.
Those things are going to pop. How about you, Titus? You're all cardio.
I'm all cardio. I'm wasting away.
You're Cali. I'm curious your thoughts on this, Ryan.
I strangely am not insecure about it because I – You don't look bad. You're just thin.
I'm very, very thin. I have noodle arms.
I have noodle – like I'm fully aware of this, but I like it. I feel great.
I love, I love running. I love, I'm being, I don't know.
But then like part of me is like, like if I was wearing five inch inseams, I would, you know, it's, it's a disaster down there. Be honest.
How often do you take a look at fat Titus and you're like, Oh, all the time. This is awesome.
I'm not pissed. I don't want to look like I'll go through phases where, where I also am like, I need to start lifting more.
And I,. And I will lift hard for like a month.
And then I look in the mirror and I'm like, uh-oh, it's happening again. I'll live in.
I'm getting bigger again. Yeah.
Just from lifting or eating? Well, he's a beast when he lifts. Yeah.
I know. Yeah.
I was the original Zion. We went over this.
Hey, remember Zion? Yeah. You remember him? Remember that guy? I think Rosillo said that he was his third best all time.
No, I said he was my favorite single player to watch last season. Did set a record for points per 36.
Didn't know you were getting stats in this pod, but I got a few for you. What are his points per 36 this year? Zero.
But he hasn't played yet, so it's actually, you know. How much does he weigh? I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know right now.
So, wait, would you – was it you who's – no, someone was like, yeah, Zion – like, people were saying he was 300. That's what some people were saying.
And then, like, the Pelicans were correcting and being like, no, he's 280. It's like, but that's still very big.
But that's not good. No, I mean, what I've heard about Zion is a lot like Titus.
You had to figure it out a little later in life. Yes.
Yeah. So you're doing strictly cardio now? I do basically.
Back to the point was like, if I put on like three pounds, I start freaking out and I get PTSD from when I was like fat. And so I wish I had that.
I just go. I stopped lifting and I'm like, I'm getting too big and I'm not even getting big.
I just like freak out. So I just start running more.
And I like it. I like the life I have.
But I also realize, you know, I'm getting my ass kicked in any. That's OK.
It would be very, very funny, though, if you got really fat, like all time fat to the point where you could go show up at pickup games and just look like a shark. Yeah.
And be the last one picked and then get out there and start wetting. Are you playing at all? I'm not.
Where do you play? Up here. It's hit or miss for me.
You got to come up. We'll figure it out.
All right. Because we had – I was asking – Spencer Hawes is in the area.
Yeah, he does. And I was like, do you want to come play? And he he's like do you really want me to come play with you guys i'm like i think he's like only still 30 and he's 610 yeah um it's crazy too like the i mean you know mark because you played with those guys but like the pickup game i play in there's this one guy who played in europe and it's like he just dunks on everyone yeah it's like not fun my problem it's like dude what are you doing my problem with pickup is uh it's it i'm at the like the perfect level where i can't enjoy it no matter what like i'm i i'm better than everyone for the most part but i'm not so good that i can do that where i could just like go out and right dominate everybody like he doesn't try and he just wins but i'm good enough to where i get frustrated when no one if no one knows how to play people are moving without lose my mind.
People aren't moving without the ball. About like, yeah.
Are you still just like – Like calling out screens and stuff like that. I'll go nuts.
That's fair. But the flip side of that is – Nail! Yeah.
Usually like people that are in that position are then so good where they can just dominate, and I'm not good enough to like, you know – But do you just – do you still light it up? Like how – can you just not play for six months and go out and just rain uh my ball handling will go ball handling is the first ball handling is terrible um cardio takes me a while but shooting yeah like once i if you give me like 10 minutes to warm up yeah like i'll i'll just go nuts yeah i could that's like a superpower i mean it's the coolest thing ever. I'm going to leave my house.
Yeah, no.

He lives here now.

From my perspective, back when I was playing ball when I was like 13,

if I was shooting and my shot would hit like the left side of the rim,

I would just compensate and start to aim for the right side of the rim the entire time.

Like a sniper.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's like I'm playing the wind indoors.

Like something's off about my shot. Yeah.
For you, if you're like – if you hit like the back rim a couple times, you're like, I'm going to start aiming for the front of the net or you just like lock in at the actual basket itself. Yeah, I don't know.
You just don't do that anymore. I don't know.
It's hard to describe. You just adjust.
It's just a feel. Yeah, it's just a feel thing.
It's all – whenever I try to talk about it, it's like, well, you didn't play in any games anybody ever cared about i'm like yeah but i still do understand like my whole point about steph is he's the greatest shooter because every single calibration of the release is like he's dialed it in that much so if it's a floater and he has this amount of momentum going forward then it's calibrated off of his hands if his legs are strong it's less out of his hands if his legs are weak he gives it

more and it's like obviously titus knows what i'm talking about but no one ever wants to listen to

me talk about it even though it's like well i have also shot a basketball i don't know how many

fucking times because it's probably the only thing i really enjoy it's like i mean it's like

like watching ray allen like when you watch ray allen it's every single time is the exact same

time and it's insane to watch because you're like how do you how does he do it every single time

exactly the same you know what's crazy about ray allen though and i remember because i was

Thank you. Like when you watch Ray Allen, it's every single time is the exact same time.
And it's insane to watch because you're like, how does he do it every single time exactly the same? You know what's crazy about Ray Allen, though? And I remember because I was working with the Celtics at the time. He came in and said I tweaked it a little.
He told Donnie Marshall, who was his boy from UConn. Yeah.
He was the co-host of the show that we were on. We were doing pre-half post.
Hank knows. And he was like, Ray fucked with his release.
And I'm like, come on, Ray Allen? Like what? and Hank knows and he was like Ray fucked with his release and I'm like come on Ray like what and he's and he showed and he was like he had this little like final little like thing at the top of the release and it was even better because Ray was like I tweaked it a little like a golf swing he goes wait until I see it now so it actually your point is for the most part accurate just if there are any huge Ray Allen fans yeah I don't want you to be in trouble. Yeah, they're like, oh, Bicette doesn't know what he's talking about.
Ryan, you're old. How come people didn't shoot three-pointers in the 90s? You thought you needed to run everything through the post.
Honestly, this isn't really that different. I mean, Al Jefferson, I think, got 20 post-touches a game in the NBA for a season, not 10 years ago.
So I think, much like the shot clock, where they were like, enough of this, we need a shot clock, because guys are just icing the ball the entire time, micing years, bringing a shot clock. I think you should get rid of the three.
Really? I love that. Oh, here we go.
That's the take I was waiting for. So, and do what? Get a four? Yeah.
Four. Hard to be psyched.
You'd be like, now I don't have to cross half court as as much it's very frustrating that everybody can shoot now like when when i was my generation which i'm like steph's age and durant's age like like when when i was playing basketball i was a specialty i was like the reason i was on the i had value to like my au team that i was on was i was the shooter on the team like no one everyone kind of had their own little role now like if our team was coming up, Greg Oden would be jab-stepping and shooting threes, and they would have no purpose for me. Ah, Joe Harris got paid.
Yeah, but Joe can do a lot of stuff, no offense. The playoffs? No, but he could still...
I was kidding. The three-point specialists are dying, is what I'm saying.
I'm worried. I'm worried about the three-point specialists when you have guys like like freaking pal like all the guys in the the jabari smith and paolo and chet holmgren you got guys that are that big that are now yeah that's stupid how stupid they are how do we fix that how do we what about no i look the shot making that's what was always so stupid about these arguments like it's just so weird that we had a collection of like 20 guys that played in the same era just simultaneously shitting on every guy that played now like it was just the just the strangest thing.
Like, humans have evolved in every single way, except we're supposed to believe that basketball players are going in the opposite direction, because the shot-making alone is crazy. But the line, like, there's nights where I watch games where I'm like, oh, cool, you guys are going to take 60 plus threes combined, and it's just, like, you're not even doing anything.
Right. So, not to say that, like, cuts and elbow cuts and pinch post and all of this stuff or double post like people would actually have two guys on the lower blocks and set up their offense that way it's crazy that's also why the warriors were so much fun because it wasn't everyone thought it was just threes but it was there was a lot of other stuff and they also had two of the best three-point shooters of all time and that whole run they were if they weren't first in defense they were they were second or third and then they the final year when they lost everybody got hurt in 19 they had slipped a little bit um but just become an nba pod i know there was a wizards uh coach who went into the stands tonight yeah yeah what he some guy was talking shit to him you know how dc is and he just turned around he it.
He almost went like Steven Jackson. But I think Montrezl Harrell grabbed him and brought him to the back.
So it didn't get ugly. I'm going to be bad.
There was a fan in the stands in D.C. What age? Passionate.
Who's passionate about it? I'm passionately apathetic about the Wizards. I will not ever care about that.
I can guarantee you I will not waste a second of my time worrying about the Washington Wizards well I you know a better question though what age should you stop saying fuck you loser to pro athletes good that's a good life advice yeah like uh what at what age should you take a step back I think it's not I think you don't lose it I think you just internalize it better like better. Like, there was the UNC Louisville game last week where it was very much rigged, and I had Louisville,

and I got very angry, and I thought in my head,

I wonder what this ref's name is.

Like, I'd like to find out.

And they're like, you know what?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You're an adult.

You have two children. Chill out.
So I think you internalize it. What were you i think what were you gonna do tweet about him i don't know i just had the thought i was very upset nasty letter but that's the thing is i think you don't lose it you just know how to bottle it a little bit more the initial thought still enters the brain right you handle it after that yeah you don't act on them your actions.
Right. You learn how to be a sports fan where you can have a little bit of perspective where you're like, for 10 seconds, you can still get very upset and then you can be like, you know what? This is stupid.
Stop. It's weird to me to get mad at somebody who's younger than me.
Yeah. Well, the ref probably is older.
Ref's older, so he's a fair target. Yes.
But if I'm watching like a college game, I have a hard time getting mad at any of the players. You can't.
I think the move is you have to get mad at the collective it has to be the kids these days the the the culture of tiktok yeah yeah it can't be like individual people like life hack is i just say i just say they're just kids and everyone knows that when i say they're just kids it's i really fucking hate this kid i can't believe this game but you just they're just kids, and it's good. Right, right.
They're just kids. You get mad at the system.
Right. Because you get older.
Yes. No, but it is weird.
People get mad at college kids. It's like fucking, you can't get mad at college kids.
Have you ever sent anything to a recruit that turned down Wisconsin? I did slide into Caleb Williams' DMs. Well, I did.
I mean, what do you want me to say? I did. Did he respond to you? No, he didn didn't he didn't how long after you dm'd him did he commit to usc it was about a week week and a half yeah yeah no i was like and i had some conversations with some people at wisconsin i was like listen if you know his people like tell him like we'll make a t-shirt and we'll'll sell it, and it will be sick.
Wait, so here's a question. Who would have made more in the NIL, Titus or PFT? That's a good question.
Well, probably Titus because he'd be like, I'm not good at sports. Yeah, Titus would have cleaned up, dude.
You would have cleaned up. You had all this character.
His T-shirts. He would have made a T-shirt with Barstool.
That was the Katie Nolan t-shirt that she wore. Yes.
You would have made a t-shirt with Barstool, and you would have sold. We made a hat with Wisconsin Safety that sold, I think it was like $15,000 or $20,000.
That's awesome. I'm happy for him.
$15,000 or $20,000 he made. Oh, I was going to say.
No, no, no. Did we go out in LA seeing this guy's hat on? But those are like, you know, you would have absolutely cleaned up.
When I was in school. He would have.
Yes. We made Club Chill shirts.
We took the Run DMC logo and made the shirts. My buddy was like screwing around with graphic design.
And so his idea was like, we're just going to parody like iconic logos. So we started with Run DMC because it's the easiest one.
It's red bars and then letters. And then he just bailed on it.
So that's why that became like the logo. Yeah, yeah.
Like, I'm going to make a bunch. And he had all these ideas.
He did one. He quit.
So that kind of became... Sounds like every college kid.
Yes! Like, this is going to be sick. Zuckerberg over here.
I had a buddy who made like, probably about five grand off of just fuck Ohio State shirts. When we played Ohio State.
We sold those shirts, Dan. I made I think it was 55,000.
I couldn i couldn't keep it all yeah i made my senior year at ohio state i made 55 000 that i had to donate to charity that was part of the deal um so there's this oh man there's this charity in columbus you kept a lot it's called a kid again it's like a make a wish type deal you don't have to pretend it's been a long time making most of your way i was gonna say i i so i give all the money to this to this charity and the guy who runs the charity every time i see him to this day it's been like 10 15 years now he thinks i'm like a saint he thinks i'm like the nicest guy in the world because i gave him like 55 000 and i'm like i cannot stress enough i would have kept all of this yes every, every single dollar. Wait, did you guys...

I feel like you thought it was weird that I slid into

Caleb Williams' DMs.

No, because you DM a lot of big heavy hitters.

Why wouldn't I? I just wanted to let him know.

I think it's fucking weird.

Double sigh right there.

It's a dangerous precedent.

It's a dangerous precedent.

To me, it's like...

I don't know.

If I can even change your mind by 1%, why wouldn't i why wouldn't i try your pitch i was like hey dude like we could you know if you ever wanted to make merch we we you know with my push and i was like you'd come on our podcast also madison is awesome we still have the call our daddy merch so we could maybe do some sort i don't know i would i would have been mad at myself if he's like some crops yeah like i yeah i guess i care too much uh see here's the thing this is a way worse answer than the first one because i just always assume it's default to content no i think it's hilarious no i want that's funny yeah you were serious about trying to close the deal to madison if i don't i'm very realistic i don't think think Wisconsin will ever win a national title in basketball or football. That's ridiculous to say in basketball.
You're on the cusp of it. It can happen.
Yeah, and then Coach K fucking cheated. All right, but what I'm saying is to rule people out or rule teams or players.
I don't like when somebody says, oh, this person's never going to win anything. That's the easiest thing to say because the math is in your favor that your point is going to be right.
But when you're on the cusp of something, like look how bad Auburn is right now. They played for two national titles in almost a decade plus.
What is this rant about again? Anyway, the point is that you can't say never. You can't say never about Wisconsin basketball.
I can say never if I don't try to get myself in the game here. All right, I see what you're doing.
I would love to be a booster. I would love to be a booster i would love to be a booster when do you become a booster i would drop bags if i could i don't know how yeah i think docker's coming to play yeah yeah if you got the cell phone on the belt on the outside of your pants yeah you're a booster you gotta just take a bunch of like meetings and fucking hotels i hear i hear what you're saying that it

could if you could affect it even a half a percent but it's just i don't know asking this guy about

boosters i'm saying this is weird i'm saying this is a guy i don't dm anybody like i think just i

think like texting anybody is wrong yeah you are i mean i'm like no one wants to hear from me at

all so maybe i'm not the guy to hear. Which is very wrong.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I couldn't imagine doing that,

but, you know, you're different.

You do, to your credit,

you do slide into DMs with a lot of different people.

Do you still DM with Durant?

That's probably the,

is that the most famous person you DM with?

I've given up DMing with him, yeah,

because he just, I don't know.

I don't know.

It feels like there's more on this.

No, he just doesn't, he doesn't,

I don't think he wants to come on,

So I've given up DMing with him, yeah, because he just, I don't know. I don't know.
It feels like there's more on this. No, he just doesn't.
I don't think he wants to come on, so I've given up. I think you've become, we've become, as a podcast, too nice to Kevin.
Yeah, we're pro-Duran. He used to actually hit Big Cat back way more frequently.
Yes. He used to shit on him all the time.
I called him a baby back bitch. Yeah.
And then we changed our tune on Durant because, and I think we're being honest about it now, where it's kind of relatable and endearing how much he's online and how good he is at using. Now that he's taken all the A material that he was putting on his burners and he's using that just from his main account being like, fuck you to people on Twitter, now we kind of like him., I think that people not replying on Twitter is weirder than people replying at this point.
Like when, like when I reply to someone, they're like, Oh, you're triggered. It's like, I'm on here.
Like, why wouldn't I engage? I think it's weird for people to just tweet into the void and never respond to anyone. What you think that's weird too? Oh, I know you're talking about me.
No, I'm not. I never respond to anyone what you think that's weird too oh i know you're talking about me no i'm not i never respond no i know but i'm not talking about you you have your own way which i think is like that's your personality i'm just saying like people when kevin durant responds everyone's like oh he's triggered all you're too online too much like i think it's like no dude he likes to respond to people you're right about that because here's the disconnect.
It doesn't mean anybody's necessarily, like, wrong in it, but there's definitely a group that's wrong. Whatever it is that we do, there's not a moment where we say something where it just, like, it's always, there's always a thought.
Like, you could say the most inane thing ever, and then it's like, okay, well, here's a million reasons why you're wrong or you missed this like it's it's these fucking training wheels of opinions where it's like no no here's what you need to do when you do it every single day like you're just going to be different yeah be different because like i know when i'm thinking about an argument that i want to make i'm thinking about every single possible fucking angle and it actually can make you worse at making your point because you're deflecting things that aren't even there yet but what i would ask anybody like if you actually knew what that was like if you knew what it was like you would never say to somebody oh you're triggered because you're like wait so the one time i decide like hey dude actually it's this and it that's that's the thing that always annoys the fuck out of me about it because you'd be like wait so i never say anything and then i said something and you think i'm over here fucking sad about it right like also i forgot like we should just say this right now ryan has figured out a really smart life hack which i know we'll get to some if he ever wants to reply to someone he'll just text me and be like look at what this person said and i'll just reply literally every time he gets me in trouble all the time i'll just fucking reply and roast someone because he knows he like i can't stop myself you do that i do it all the time like oh my god you believe this one and then like 30 seconds later like i replied there was one i mean my favorite ever the florio content i sent one it was it was the saban thing and it was like the opposite like saban was basically saying like you guys really want us to do the NIL like it hasn't been bad enough for you guys right all right rev the engines and then Florio's like him making excuses for why he's gonna lose and I went to Big Cat I was like what the fuck is he talking about I just like look there's a notification that comes up Big Cat's like or maybe the opposite it wasn't 60 seconds like he may have done it before we'd hung up yeah so you have the life hack there all right yeah now i'm gonna send me after people i'm gonna start doing it more we'll be back with some more uh from titus and rusillo and us before we do that though sling go to sling.com slash barstool to sign up now and try it for free if you love watching live sports but you're tired of the high prices it's time to take control your tv experience it's time you got sling sling is a place where your favorite sports channels like espn fs1 tnt and more come together for less watch exclusive new barstool content and past episodes the yak and stool streams and go check it out sling it's the cheapest way to watch college hoops the nba playoffs the entire formula one season and more sling is easy to set up easy to use and there's no contracts sign up now and try it for absolutely free whatever you're into sling is there uh where you can find live sports you love all in one place go to sling.com slash barstool to sign up now and try it for free.

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I'll see you know i don't know well i mean yeah ryan do you want to take you look like you should oh is this what this was we're not even taping right now yeah no i don't know i'm good i was never super interested in it so i don't i don't know what to tell anybody on that one yeah no i just thought that response was very funny because it was like i don't think we're the ones that should be oh advice about that like we should maybe see someone you know what i think is weird though like when they're handing out the dare t-shirts when you're in sixth grade and shit and you're like yeah signing contracts like no doubt yeah and then you'll have like a buddy he's got three kids he's like i took stems on a tuesday you're like what the fuck is this what is this what happens so you for any sixth graders, listen, don't, you know. Don't sign a contract.
Yeah, just wear the shirt, but you never know. Yeah, the shirt's cool.
It's retro cool. Yeah, that's a good.
Go elsewhere for your drug advice. That's what I'll say.
Yeah. Don't do drugs, though.
Fentanyl's out there. Fentanyl's bad.
Yeah. You're in the same room as fentanyl, and you breathe I know you guys are in LA this week I'm worried about you We don't We actually don't Do drugs I got this label As being the drug guy On the podcast I wonder why It was probably after You did ecstasy in Hong Kong It was MDMA And it was It was a form of protest I think it was exactly after that By the way It was a form of protest Against the CCP That was trying to exert foreign influence and violate Hong Kong sovereignty.
That video.

How that didn't win an Emmy. I've watched that video with you and Donnie more than 10, maybe less than 20 times.
It's unbelievable. Hey, Donnie.
Hey, Donnie. Yeah, Donnie, I got to be honest with you.
Hey, Donnie, I got to be honest with you, man. I was on a different planet.
Were you having fun? It looked like it. I don't know.
It looked like I was having fun in retrospect, but all I remember during the actual feelings of the MDMA was I was just seeing stars everywhere, and then I would panic every 30 seconds because I didn't know where my people were, and they were all next to me at the same time. It was fun to do one time.
I'll never do it again. I don't think I'm ever going to take MDMA again.
It was one and done for me there we go so that's your drug talk i also i also felt like save some lives in the uh in the circumstance i wanted to do it then because i was in a foreign country so my brain told me oh you're overseas people do drugs overseas it's like you're basically on vacation from laws so i'll be fine i thought it was i thought i was in amsterdam pretty much turns out that the drug laws in hong kong are way more strict and secure than they are in the United States. So that was a mistake on my part, but you live and you learn.
I will never do ecstasy in Hong Kong again. Yeah, I mean, imagine seeing PFT in an episode of one of those Nat Geo shows.
Oh, Locked Up Abroad. I love those shows.
What does it say about me that I love watching shows where people are in really bad trouble? Because you've avoided it. I have a buddy who's been arrested.
I think he had a DUI in every state in New England. And anytime cops would come on, he'd freak out.
He'd change a channel. We were just laughing about it the other day.
He couldn't watch cops. If it were on, we were counting out our tips and we'd come on at 3 in the morning.
He would just go over and go, just matter of fact, he couldn't handle the flashing lights you'd freak out can't do it um all right so we do have hank so this is going to air right before he has to give the speech but he's giving his first best man speech ever next weekend at his brother's wedding so he asked for some advice and i think i think we've all done it at least once a couple times ryan a couple times done it yeah yeah i've not you have not i've not i've helped everybody says i don't have any friends i've done a few i've helped other people prepare for i'm i'm usually just like the guy that's in the wedding party that is just kind of there like i'll help i'll pitch in for stuff if they something. But I've never had the response.
I do have a brother who got married last year, but it was during COVID. So I was going to be the best man then.
He had just like a small, essentially like a courthouse ceremony of the two of them to get it over with and done. So I've never had the opportunity to give the speech, but I did start to write the speech for it.
Oh, um by the way you brought up a point i've i've said it a million times but it needs to be

repeated the best like friend zone you can be in is getting invited to the bachelor party but not

being in the wedding party that's pretty that's it's a tough best spot i've told friends i don't

even like they'll be like you want to be in the wedding party i'm like not really because it's

like a shitload of pictures and stuff pictures a, a lot of pictures. Rehearsal dinner, though, can be great.
But you can kind of get you can get invited to the rehearsal dinner, even if you're not in the wedding party. I've done that.
Yeah. Like there's that that zone where it's like you're if you can be like the seventh guy on a friend's depth chart.
It's a great spot. i was a uh first alternate for the wedding they make you an usher that's the best and it was it was it was kind of crazy because i went into this weekend like okay uh this is gonna be great i'm gonna be there i'm i'm best friends with a lot of people that are in the party gonna be an awesome wedding then one of the groomsmen breaks his ankle and his fibula the night before it's a good thing they had an alternate at the rehearsal and then so i'm sweating because i'm like wait am i am i gonna get the call to the to the show tomorrow is that gonna be me and then my buddy was like i can do it and he ended up just like he was on crutches going down the aisle with like with like a broken face and all this shit going down the aisle.
Like, I can still do this for my friend. Yeah.
It was great. Oh, man.
But it's, yeah, that's the spot though. If you can be invited to the bachelor party, but not have to be in the wedding party.
What, uh, Hank, what, what, uh, um, what, what is the perception? What is your perception amongst the, I guess you don't have a microphone, but like my, my, when I gave mine, I, I subverted expectations, which is like, I, everyone in my family thinks I'm super famous because like I have a blue check mark on Twitter or whatever. So like my family, they had a good run.
There was like hype around the speech. They're like, Mark does this for a living.
I'm sure the speech is going to be great. I'm sure I can't wait to hear his jokes, all that kind of stuff.
And then I just kind of kept it straight and just said nice things about my brother and kept it moving. Who I saved his life.
Yeah, you did save his life. I saved his life.
I really saved Mark's brother's life. So what is the expectation, Hank? I do think there is an expectation for me to put on a show.
I'm definitely the outgoing one. Always got in trouble and stuff.
I feel like there will be some expectations, similar to you where my family's expecting a show. So, wait a minute.
A show? A show. A show.
It's a magic show. They're like, oh, this speech is coming.
Something's coming. No, I know.
Yeah. All right.
No, similar spot that we've been in. The reverse is my brother's very shy, a little more guarded.
If it was reversed, I't think they would be expecting a crazy speech. Yes.
No, Hank, you have a job, you have a lifestyle that you're in front of a camera sometimes and talking to microphones and stuff. So I think people go to a ton of weddings and you see people get up there that are nervous.
So anytime it's a situation where you know someone might not be nervous to publicly speak, you're like, oh, thank God, this is not going to be the worst fucking speech I've ever heard. Yes, yes.
So then it kind of sets the expectation high. Yes, people are expecting it.
Yeah, no speak you're like oh thank god this is not going to be the one fucking speech yes yes so then it kind of sets the expectation yes people are expecting it yeah no you're you're absolutely right i so i have a couple high level thoughts and you guys can go off it but i already told hank i think this i think you have to keep it like five minutes or less i think anyone who goes longer than that is people don't mean every woman yeah well i didn't say that you did yes i did say though to hank i was like i look make sure you go out the science backs it up well that's true what ryan just said you got to remember that you're not the star of the show you got to remember that the stars of this show are actually the uh the bride's dad and then her maid of honor they're going to go super long. You're probably going to go on after the maid of honor.
Your job is like people at that point are looking around like, when can I go back to the bar? Yeah, it's three to five minutes. The biggest thing though, you can't have notes.
I think you have to speak from, I think the notes make you freaked out. The guy who goes up with I've i've seen some really bad ones uh they're not as seasoned as you are there's one friend that's listening right now that's going to know exactly i'm talking about his wedding but he brought like cue cards and it was he forgot to mention the bride which you can't you have to mention the bride have to but i think no notes is the way to go i think you have to prepare notes and then don't use them correct correct but you have to can't the worst thing you could possibly do is be the winged guy no you can't be the winged guy and that is that is an absolute disaster so but it's like prepare the speech but then don't if you're up there reading notes yeah you you lose already because everyone's like wait you need notes for this like you got to be it's got to be because people will be like oh wow you really spoke from the heart it's like well i did practice it but yeah you're right it's i think it's a pretty simple formula for the most part yeah hank go is there a formula of like you know old anecdote from when we were kids yes yes taught me yeah yes ride he's a better person than me that's usually a good one to be like you know like i've always looked up to him yes yeah and then a bride but you know he's out of it yeah no don't do the don't don't do the the one thing you can screw up and a lot of people do it is they do like the bride add-on at the end they're like everything i said about you like and it's your your wife too like yeah you got to have a story about the bride yeah the way to get around that is you you talk you find the things about your brother that you appreciate about him that you don't have and then you can say like this is what i've always looked up to him for and then at the end well then also include one story about a time he got into trouble and then everybody will laugh at that and then not too much trouble yeah exactly you have to be careful yeah you have to edit it a little bit yeah be like oh i remember that time that he got busted with a hooker in acapulco yeah no you got to be like you remember that time where we you know we we were uh on a road trip together or something like that and you made the best play like joke around a little bit about stuff but don't make it too serious and then at the end uh say something about how she's so much better than he is yeah because that gets a laugh too where's like, I always thought that you'd marry well, but I had no idea that you would out kick your coverage by this far.
You know, like something nice. I hate jokes like that.
Yeah. Yeah.
That one's tough. I'm just saying like, this is, this is how you got to end it.
Say that she's better than him a little bit. See, I think you got it.
I think you have to add a story about her that doesn't like, you can't, the mistake you can make is like, you say a poll speech, you do four and a half minutes. And then the last 10 seconds, you're like, Oh, and also it goes for her.
You have to have a story about her. What do you say, Ryan? Did he ever tell you a story about meeting her? There's got to be something in there about that.
He met her. There had to be a moment that he shared with you about how he cared for her.
Or just make it up. That's did for my brother i also have a total zag because you said you wanted to give him a show and that your brother's quiet oh i like this it's a dying art ventriloquist and you bring one out and you say it's your brother and you talk to him and ask him questions and tell stories and because he's shy you don't even have to be good at it because he doesn't want to talk he's in front of all these people and that's how you play it off you give your speech through a vantula dummy that you're not even using because your brother's shy i got another one for you hank that could could bring the house down because your close personal friend tom brady has some time on his hands get him to give him a message play that i do those for free by the way you do we're still we'll do it for him yeah that's probably gonna bum people out but like when somebody asks me somebody asks i've been getting weird with them like somebody will ask me for a video on instagram and be like hey so-and-so's whatever and like the last one i did i was like you know i was dm and julie for about six months and i knew and then I don't even know who the person is so I don't know how they're going over right now but yeah I I did something dude when my brother was like hey I'm having a kid and I remember with the story I told was I was like oh no like and then he was like no I'm so happy to have my own family and so that was the pivot.
I did a little ice breakers not the most original thing i was like i just want for the next 45 minutes or so take you on a journey of love and tell yeah everybody was like yeah what well most people are like his fucking stories are long if you ever heard his podcast but that that was a nice little you know a little little uh public speaking thing there a little jab joke yeah keep it moving homer says it wasn't it wasn't 45 minutes was it it probably ended up going 45 minutes because you could see a couple people's faces that didn't know me were like are you fucking kidding but that's not even original you got it though yeah start with a joke and a joke and maybe magic trick. Yeah.
You know any magic? Yeah. Yeah.
You should do a magic trick. Do a card trick.
And nobody, nobody can see the card. Yes.
Yes. A flaming wallet.
What's going on? I think Hank is left more confused by all of this. He looks terrible.
Keep it short. No notes.
Make sure you don't just add on the bride is an afterthought. Those are my big things.
You can also just plagiarize, which would be very easy to do. And it's not even really plagiarism if you look up an old wedding toast and it's written down as an old wedding toast.
Did Russell Wilson do that with a Valentine? Oh, no, that was the greatest. For Valentine's, he wrote, I think it was a tweet and an Instagram post to his wife.
Because as we were talking about this, I was going to tell Hank, just whatever, watch him talk and do the opposite. And now I realize that he actually did.
Yeah. He Googled how to describe a beautiful woman.
Yeah, yeah. And then he copied and pasted.
Robot shit. He didn't even click on the link on Google.
He just copied and pasted from the description underneath the link on the first page. And then he pasted that onto Twitter and that was, that's perfect.
Actually, that's the best, that's the most like complete Russell Wilson move of all time. Yes.
Yeah, Hank, just like take somebody's old, like an old wedding toast. That'll kill about like 45 seconds.
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We make $50,000 a show more now than we did then.

That's cool.

Do you feel like...

I don't donate it.

In the last few years...

Like, Dan, obviously, you having kids,

you've probably undertaken the biggest change out of anyone here,

but do we feel different from last time?

Have we learned anything?

Huh.

Where it's like, you know, I said this on the last show but actually now that i because because i i i text you guys this today that like i i it always trips me out that whenever i go back and look at something um you know if i something i wrote a year ago or two years ago or four years ago or like the the time hop thing that's on like facebook and yeah every time you see what you put on twitter or facebook or whatever five years ago you're like that guy's a fucking loser right i was a loser i could do that was six months so but then what you the follow up to that is then you say to yourself thank god i'm not a loser anymore but you know that like five years from now you're gonna look back on where you're at right now so i guess like as you think back on that part of your life where you is there anything that's like fundamentally different that you're like i used to think this or i i don't know maybe not maybe the answer is no i don't know i do think that there's i've and maybe this is i don't know it's probably not coveted it's probably just getting a little bit older but there's definitely been more moments where i'm like i kind of just hate the internet oh yeah where it's

like i really just like i wish i could just walk away from all of it um and that might just be having kids too i don't know but it's definitely it's gotten like less fun yeah to be online at times and it's like i think of the times when i'm having the most fun online it's like strictly strictly sports or strictly like, you know, taking nothing really seriously. And then it's just like everything else is kind of a bummer.
Yeah. So I'd say that's the biggest thing that's changed probably in the last two years for me personally.
I've been saying that I'm going to cut back on the internet a lot more. But it's our job.
But it's tough. You guys are in it too much.
It is. We're in way too much like i a lot of times i wish that i just could not look at my phone ever because i do feel myself looking at my phone way way more than i should be i don't i've never even checked my screen time because i'm afraid of what it's going to be you don't keep track of it i know i'm cognizant of the fact that it's like too much but it's also to be good at our jobs like we're well here's here's something that might be uh good to to have a broader discussion on it's like i you guys are obviously at a at a higher level than i am in this stupid industry we have and um and you you've you've scratched and clawed your way to the top and ryan has made his has told a story a million times about where he started and how he's got here and all this sort of stuff how much of like your day-to-day like now that you're you're you know at the top of the mountain so to speak and we're at a beautiful house in manhattan beach and like you've kind of accomplished it do you how much do you feel a change of like we have to stay here or is it like now i'm here i can kind of like chill and i figured it out like i i'm so glad i you know i busted my ass to get here because now i can just kind of chill or is it like like is that what pulls you back to the internet is like if we're not on the line at all times there's going to be two shitheads that just got out of college that started sports podcast that's going to happen regardless i've been peace with that yeah yeah like that that eventually and i probably am like you know old at this point where it's like compared comparatively on the internet i was actually thinking about this today in prep for this podcast because it's like it's actually the thing that frustrates me the most with some of the people not any names and people are gonna be like oh he's talking about billy i'm not talking about Billy.
Because they all like, oh, he's talking about Billy. No, no.
We have an office of like 23-year-olds, right? And I think like I want to someday just walk away from it all. But I also do have something in me where I get extreme satisfaction of like doing, like working really hard and seeing the results.
Like the Berman interview we did like that was a lot of work and it came out great and it felt awesome and it's like that's something that I just love you know what I mean like that the act of going through the whole process of like getting a big interview doing the interview nailing it having people enjoy it I don't think I'll ever like be able to walk away from that feeling. And I also have to realize that not everyone has that feeling where they like love putting in like really hard work to try to get something that everyone loves.
I don't know if that made any sense. Did it? It does.
Cause I feel the same way when it comes to like seeing the results of something that you put a lot of work into. That's probably the most rewarding part.
There are two things that I really enjoy. One is the feeling when I know that we are doing something that like in the moment I can get an energy off of.
And the afterglow from that, just the act of creating it is number one for me. And then seeing other people appreciate it, it's a natural reward system where it motivates me to try to chase that high a little bit but the problem with that is if you truly are chasing that if you're chasing anything really then you can find yourself in a weird position where you're not doing something sometimes where it's because you want to be doing it or are you really feeling in the moment it's because you're still chasing you know motivation is not internal it's not internal it's external from something else yeah um but you know like you try to minimize those situations or minimize those situations but uh yeah it has it all has to like come organically as long as that's still happening then i can't think of like anything else i would ever rather be like i was telling somebody the other day like if I had gotten to choose what my job was when I was 21 years old yeah I would say exactly what I'm doing right now like like probably nothing would be different at all it's it when people say dream job like this is beyond anything that I could have even thought of at that point to be a dream job yeah what are you gonna say ryan i'm not gonna rest until i beat you two idiots well that's the thing is like there will be there will be young people that come along what big cat just said though like that's the scary thing is like you're and i'm and i mean this because you guys know how much i like you your runs insane your runs insane and it's like you know you have those moments to be like well how long is the run right for me you know we've been over it because we're friends but like i go i was at espn for almost 15 years and the entire time especially towards the end i was like wait i'm actually doing like really well by any measurable metric i was like yeah you're not really a star and then I leave without any real understanding of like i'm sure i'll do okay but i don't know what's gonna happen and things have gone way better for me but then i'll see something where there's like a list of the top 20 sports podcasts and i go are you fucking kidding me well they leave us off for other reasons right but like but when somebody isn't biased ahead of time, they pick you or they pick Bill, which is totally understandable because you guys are at the top.
But you're not the best. McDonald's isn't the best restaurant.
It's true. I don't agree with that.
I'll see a profile. McDonald's will actually kill you if you eat too much of it.
I'll hear about something, and I just can't ever sit back and, you know, sure, able to say all right i'm this age i can look outside at the ocean and all that stuff's gonna be fine and there'll be something that happens usually once a week with me where i'm like no fuck that and i just want to work even harder because i don't feel like again this is a little different i don't ever feel like I've been peaked you know I don't think I've ever had that moment where people are like oh you know who's actually fucking really really good at what he does where even if you feel like people on the internet hate you guys it's pretty understood in the industry you guys have been monsters for a long time so yeah I mean we I mean obviously the the hate thing that that took a while for me to get over like being like people just despise us no matter what and where do you think it's at now from where you started to where it is now it's way worse but it's also i've gotten way what's way where you're way hated you're hated more the barstool oh barstool you're talking yeah and i i well i hate barstool but i love pmt and you love the dozen and chiclet and yeah caleb's cool love him no but i bars more like barstool it used to it used to affect me like really bad like but now i don't know you just get to a point where i think maybe it's just if you don't get numb to it then you'd be shattered right exactly it would ruin me forever and also i think this is where you can use the crutch of like kids and i know that sounds cliche but like there will be times where like the world will come at barstool and i'll be like i like i gotta fucking put my i gotta do bath time with my son yeah he doesn't want to fucking do kids like i meant to ask this earlier because we were talking about whether we want to have or not. One reason I have always wanted to have kids and I will always think I want to have kids is that I think they'll help me chill out, which sounds insane because your life becomes more hectic dealing with them.
But kind of what you just said where you just kind of reassess your priorities and you're like, oh, this this 14 year old I'm fighting with on Twitter. Yeah.
James Harden is not actually that important. It's actually a weird way to look at it, though, because it's big picture.
I'm a lot more chill. Little picture, I'm probably harder to deal with because I have less sleep.
My schedule is crazy, and I know that. And I know Hank and PFT and has to be like is a little bit harder to deal with

which sucks but like yeah big picture it's a lot more like do i really like do i really care about this no but i actually wanted to bring up one other thing that has changed in the last couple years and i think this is something that like 20 year old to maybe 25 27 are probably listening I like

have reached a point where

I think it's cool to care about

some things a lot.

And I know we're talking about being sports fans.

It's irrational.

It's stupid.

I think we're talking about DMing high school kids.

Yeah.

Well, no, he's in college, Ryan.

He's been in college for a year.

My bad.

So wrong.

Would never DM a high school kid unless he was a five-star. And he was a quarterback.
Wait, did you say the R word? You said Rico? No, reclassified. Oh, I thought you said Rico.
I think there's like a feeling where it's not, you know. Is that the guy that threw the fucking can at that? Yes.
We don't want to get Hank going. Jesus Christ.
I think there's a level of like when you're younger. Wait, you actually know Rico? yeah he does you're not playing dumb are you? no he knows I lost track of what was happening at first I was like wait that guy was that mad I've gotten mad at work but I go hide there's been times when Ryan and I have talked and I've been like dude you would be awesome if partially he's like, yeah, but I'd show up and some guy would throw a can in my hand

or some guy would fucking just put a camera in my face

and start fucking busting my balls.

I think I would lose it.

I'm like, yeah, you're right.

I have a buddy that every time some shit like that happens

will text me and just say, how would you respond to that?

It's a fucking weird world.

I don't know.

But back to what I was saying like i that can just miss my head i i i mean my ruling my initial ruling was did you see my initial it was the worst ruling ever i know that's what i that's what i love about big t is because he he's kind of like you are sometimes where he like your imaginary self working at barstool where you just like have moments where you're like what the fuck is going like that's what big t was like yeah he's like i'm i'm at my job at my computer and someone just assaulted me i said something this psychopath yeah that was a bad that was a bad initial ruling i took it back but i was just like you were quick to get another you were at you as i saw the altered angle i was i literally was like dude it didn't hit you what do you want me to do that was the parent in me where it's like listen i can't fucking you parent it up quick yeah i was like if you don't hit if you don't hit your sister like i can't's another thing. If you have kids and other guys almost assault or break the cranial area of a co-worker, you're just like, hey, guys.
That's what I said. I was like, ah, let's chill out.
I think I said everyone chill out, even though it's like one of them almost got assaulted. But either here nor there.
There is, like, a level when you're in your 20s and you think it's cool to just not care about anything.

But it's like getting to a point where it's like, no, there's some things I really care about.

And I really am passionate about.

There's some things I don't care about.

And I'll tell you when I don't care about it.

But having that self-confidence to be like, I care about this.

When it doesn't go the way I want it to go, it's going to affect me.

And just being open about that. Right.
You know? Yeahaleb williams goes to usc i fucking cried whatever i think in a similar vein for me um and it's not so much that i used to like pretend to not care about stuff there would be things that i just wouldn't like and i'd be like oh that's not cool like stuff that i would actually kind of hate yes you know and a good example actually funnily enough uh on this podcast i was like i hated drake i would just be open with how drake we were like dude and every and like i was very mad that drake was popular because i didn't like his music and uh then i started to listen to it a little bit and i was like why do i why do i hate this person? Why is this affecting me that much? Why is it something that other people get joy out of making me feel angry at that thing? I think a lot of people, including myself at times still, make things that they don't like part of their personality. I think the more that you have that inside you, the less happy you will be with the rest of the stuff that you do actually like.
Totally. So it's more about accepting the fact that people like things and let them enjoy things that they like.
Was it Joe who left Impractical Jokers? Yeah. And everyone was broken up about it? Oh, yeah.
And I used to clown on it. It's like, wait, why am I making fun of people who like Impractical Jokers if they if they get like if they laugh about it and they like it the fuck do i like impractical jokers yeah like what do i care but you know what i mean like there's that shit practical jokers won me out because i i left the i left the tvs on true tv you know on march madness right i i you watch college the remote was over on the other side of the the the world and then i just like it was not funny for the first five episodes, and then they slowly won me over.
It is what PST is talking about. I completely agree with you.
No, yeah, that is. You're like, why am I looking down on something if it brings other people joy? It makes no sense.
You're just being a fucking asshole. And I realized that it would make me feel better about myself.
There's something that people like that's actually not very good right i know that me personally i know they shouldn't be like so it was like it was a thing where i was able to think that i was better than other people because their tastes were different than mine and once you accept once you realize what's going on you're just happier about most other things in general right now i still have I still have that, like, there's still times where I find myself

falling into that a little bit.

I have to remind myself a little bit,

and there are also still times when it's just...

Some stuff sucks, too.

Yeah, it's just fun to point out that things suck.

I don't know.

Network sitcoms?

I mean, people like Big Bang Theory.

Well, Young Sheldon's terrific, don't get me wrong.

But, you know, look, there's certain shows,

but it's kind of like the Bull Game Theory. Well, you're a writer, so you see it differently.
Yeah, I mean, I'm like, where's this going? Oh, that was the layup. I think about the bowl game thing.
Like when people get mad about all the extra bowl games. There's way too many bowl games.
Don't watch it. Yeah, shit.
Oh, I hate that. No, I've definitely tried, because I think when you're younger, a lot of the stuff that you're going through when you're younger is kind of like your own insecurity.
And I always try to remind this to people. It's like, just remember, the other person you're talking to and all the insecurities you have about yourself, pretty good chance they have just as many.
So just go up and talk to the hot girl. There's a moment where she doubts herself and maybe that's that night.
Yeah. And who knows? But I think it's like a good rule to kind of operate with where you're like, just remember the stuff that stuff that you second guess yourself you're not the only one doing literally everybody else and even though they're trying as hard as they can to project that they're not having any of those things just like you do just admit that like all right this guy's probably got some weak spots let's go it's absolutely true so right Ryan you're right but I also love that you're the uh the statement boils down like, you can fuck a really hot chick if you try.
Don't give up on yourself. That's a little aggressive, PFT.
I meant, you know, relationship. No, but that's what you're saying.
It links into what PFT said and what I'm saying about caring. Like a lot of times you, when you're younger, you're like, I don't care about this or this is lame.
It's cool to not care about it. Yeah, because you don't want to open yourself up to have someone be like oh you like that yeah look it's the same thing too as you know where i went to school you know vermont smaller school for whatever reason you know there's a ton of boston guys um ton of fairfield county guys and then we'd always be like why are you here when you from arizona but all we did was make fun of each other that's all we did so like the only way you could keep up not that this is like oh wow that was the college where college guys made fun of each other all the time but like I remember carrying it into our 20s and I would just be like ripping on everybody all the time and then you're like wait you know who's probably not a great time to hang out with a guy who makes fun of everybody for everything and it wasn't I don't know if what it was it was just what i was used to right i remember talking to my buddies being like hey do you have like weird moments at work and a couple of guys are like oh my god like i had to stop doing that a couple years ago like i almost got fired and what i'd say is that there are these moments you know like when you're in your 20 and you think you have like this is a bigger thing like i'll use the hangover theory on this one like when you're hungover you know big night with the boys and it goes away like on tuesday it fucking goes away right it goes away it doesn't feel like it's gonna go away and you're like should i take a foreign language you know maybe i finally learned an instrument this year i'll get back on the dating apps you know i need to change things up and by tuesday you're like what a fucking weirdo i was for 36 hours right what what was that right did you write a poem or something you fucking weirdo yeah so it goes away I'd say that you can expand life out that way because all of these little moments all these little things and I think this is you know we're all kind of around the age and obviously I'm older than you guys but you start to learn like almost none of it ever fucking mattered none of that all of it kind of goes away and that's the one thing that I still try to now that I know that when I with something in the moment, you're like, you know this is going to mean almost nothing.
Right. Like, this is going to be completely insignificant.
And even though you're consumed by it today, you know that later on, this will have meant fucking dick. Yep.
And it's hard to learn that until you go through it enough. But I would just keep hammering it over and over again.
Like, as you're aging and as you're getting a little older, it's a great feeling when you start to be like hey i want to be an asshole to everybody but i also i'm like not going to worry about this stuff as much because it's not as significant on the path of the bigger stuff yeah the world keeps on when you realize the world keeps on moving it's a freeing thought and you're like oh this is not yeah not everybody is thinking about me nobody really cares obviously your podcast, a lot of guys talk about you guys. But there definitely have been big moments from you that have meant something in the long term.
Like when you look back on it, maybe all the little stuff that you were super consumed about in the time ended up just passing by. When the stuff that's actually important, does that feel different to you in the moment? Are you all consumed by it? Are you anxious about it? Like the big decisions that you made.
No, I mean, I'm weird with the big decision stuff. I almost like welcome the, like, hey, this is a huge moment and you're about to make some decision and this is like a big deal and I almost get energized by it.
Absolutely. I'm the opposite of like, I almost look forward to these moments where I'm like, but I think back to what Titus was saying is, you know, the biggest thing that I've always struggled with with anybody wants to get into the business of the cool stuff is that I'm always afraid if I'm not wired this way am I going to suck at my job and then I'm not going to want to like like look I drove back from Vegas last night I woke up at 5 a.m.
this morning started writing out opens and fucking looking up usage stats of the highest 20 seasons and it's 7 a.m. and I get a green juice going and I'm doing this shit because I just I'm afraid if I ever have the mentality of not caring about things then I'll suck at my job it'll be over so I guess I'm just tortured there Titus no but I I think you like you you might beat yourself up on it but like you like that is why people want to listen to you because I think you and this is now us just complimenting each other but like people listen to you ryan because they're like you know that he does the homework and he actually like he thinks about i i've always admired that you're always thinking about like the big picture on a take or uh like whatever a player whatever it is and not just saying like knee jerk this or this is how it's going to go.
Yeah, if I say something, there's a bunch of reasons why. Right, whereas we say shit just to say it all the time.
You guys are way smarter at it, actually, if you think about the job. I say shit all the time just to say it.
I mean, we do prep for the show. We do.
I don't want to act like, hey, hey. Occasionally we will.
But there's something. It's showing tonight.
I think it's really showing tonight Our prep for tonight Was literally on the way over We just remembered that Hank has to give a best man And then we started talking about We're like no don't say another word But Sometimes we do get into the Role of the show and we'll just throw a bunch of shit at the wall. Right.
And then eventually one of those will stick, and somebody will be like, you guys totally called this. It's like we also said 20 things that were the most wrong things.
Yeah. So many wrong things.
I got to get better. That's also something I – Wait a minute.
Picking stuff? No. Because here's the other secret.
I'm 3-0 game of the year. Right.
I know that. But the other secret is when you have an opinion on literally every player,

every quarterback, the top 100 NBA guys,

we're going to be wrong all the time.

You also have to kind of get past that.

What I was going to say is I have to get past is people hear what they want to hear.

So trying to correct what people would be like,

oh, you don't like my team.

It's like, dude, what are you talking about? Bengals fans thought I didn't like the Bengals because I bet against them like with the I bet on them against the Raiders and against them with the Titans and Chiefs and they're like you don't really it's like dude we talk about Joe Burrow like like we love the guy they also went 10 and 7 right exactly so but but that I love them I have to like check myself being like these people are just listening for what they want to listen to they hear one thing and they're like oh you hate us and it's like i gotta remember like people are just very biased when they listen to something and to not be upset when people like oh you're so unfair to our team and there i am unfair to some teams right but i did a loser before i was in the business i thought jo loser. Before I was in the business, I thought Joe Buck sucked.
I was like, this guy, every fucking time, Yankees. And then I got in the business, and I was like, oh, my God, Joe Buck's amazing.
Yeah, he's the best. So when guys lose their shit, I'm like, yeah, well, whatever.
I did the same thing in my early 20s. But we were right about Romo.
You're Romo stock. Banks have been worried about covering your short position on Romo.

Hank PFT and I put ourselves on the line with our Romo take four years ago. I don't think he's as bad as you guys.

He's not as bad as we say, but he's also gone closer to us than the other way.

You also have to understand that a lot of our takes are not just based on the thing themselves,

but it's based on other people's reaction to that thing.

Right.

Oh, dude, who are you talking to?

Yeah, I'm kidding.

Right.

They're the pendulum that's...

What is that?

Explain this process.

Okay, all right.

So you build a straw man,

and then you take it down?

No, see, that's bullshit.

I hate when somebody says it,

because I'll just be like,

I have to see it from real people before I go.

Sometimes I think that I am your straw man.

Yeah, obviously. Ryan, tell me, when you want to go on a rant, tell me what to tweet and I'll tweet it.
Yeah, no. And then I'll be the straw man.
We can be the straw man for you. So you can be like, I see these clowns out here saying this.
No, but. It's us saying it for you.
Dude, Ryan. We're throwing you the alley.
Ryan and I will disagree sometimes on sports. And friends do.
I just share it with the world and then he goes on his show i'm like kingsbury he's we very much disagreed on cliff kingsbury and he'll do like an open i'll be like i got that was just me because we were texting about that yesterday i've gotten three i think monologues out of big cat and i took some texting about kingsbury this year so that's good and then i think one time I was arguing with Chris and Chris was like, you know you're not on with Big Cat right now. I was like, oh, that's fair.
Yeah, I don't know. That's what many people are saying.
Oh, we argued about golf too. Yeah.
We argued about golf. How did that go? Anyway, but Lions won more games than we thought.
So to sum it up, you don't think you can chill out. You don't think you have that in you that like, because Dan said that like the reason people listen to you is do your homework.
If I'm being completely honest, that might be true for some people. I feel like that's mostly bullshit.
People listen to you because they love you, and they just love you. Well, yeah, no, that too.
But like, Priscilla didn't watch any basketball, which we know there are a lot of people in sports media that do not watch sports.

Mostly morning shows.

Yeah, there's a reason why life advice is so popular. And he just, like, fucking ripped on whatever he wanted.

People would still listen.

They would still love it.

So what is, like, do you think, Ryan,

there will ever be a point in your life where, like,

that will click with you, where you're like,

I could just go to the beach and chill all day

and then turn on the microphone

and just talk about literally whatever the fuck I want,

and I will have an audience.

I will pay the bills.

Why don't I just do that?

Do you think you can ever like question get to that point because he's right like you're the homework part i like because i just love sports but he but that's right the life advice is is incredible and that's ryan just talking why put yourself through that hell when you don't have to and you could just you know well hell's excessive but yeah i've driving myself crazy about it yeah sure i mean i'll have nights where i like go don't sit here tonight and then it's five and a half hours later and i've taken notes and i'm like you didn't need to watch any of these games there was a monday and gamble there was a monday night where nobody played the other week like 20 of the guys were missing all the best players and I go you didn't need to watch this tonight you didn't need to do this uh I don't know man I you know I obviously have some other interests and I like you know again we're all getting being really nice to each other here so I appreciate you saying that um and I think the truth I think it's true yeah yeah absolutely Vin Pote and I were talking about it you know when we did the radio show together we were both like okay we know more. I mean, that was the way we went into it.
Like, we're going to show everybody how much we know. And what I learned too late was that I was like, nobody really fucking cares if you know if a guy's- They want to hang out with you.
Yeah, they don't care if you're a three or four star. Think about that.
Like radio, they're making an investment, you know, depending on what the listening habits are. But that's 15 hours a week where you're out there and people want to- And once we went to three right was year three started i remember i was like hey we need to fuck around more we need to talk about stuff like when you go to chipotle and guys take pictures of you and you get weird and take a picture of him back and say i have one of you now too which i think is sort of aggressive but i get where you're coming from because everybody treats van pelt like a fucking pink zebra at the zoo or something.'s true um i was like we need to do that stuff all the time and we could see a massive pivot both in audience growth and then just the way people would interact and it didn't matter if we had the best sports opinions and we were the guys watching every game i can still never do it without watching the games because i remember when i was before i was in this and i watched everything i could tell immediately the guys that didn't watch games and i had no respect for them i i actually were mad that they had the job they had it's like no if you have that job you owe it to the people to be on top of everything that happens especially in local market like when i would hear guys and be like again i was obsessed right like it wasn't a two-one slider you dick you know i'd be in the horror and I was was serious man i'd be like fuck this guy and and i was like if i ever have that job and again i wanted to work in a front office i didn't want to be on the air it just happened with a minor league thing where they were like you know do you want to sell tickets and i was like no i don't want to sell tickets i'm 26 i got a degree from a school i'm broke like i need a job and they were like well you can call the middle innings and I was like wait what I'm like I've never done it though why would you do that they're like you're you have a deep voice nobody listens to the games so you know looking back on on that like those moments I was like okay well you know I even if you're not gonna be good at it I think you have to I personally like I wouldn't want to even do a Monday morning podcast and say, and I look, I could fake it.
I could look at box scores. I think that's why people love numbers so much now, especially in basketball, because it's super fucking easy to sort all the numbers and be like, oh, look what this team's doing.
But there's just nothing that compares with learning about players and learning a team by watching them. And I'm sure Titus, like, that's probably why you jumped in in the beginning because you have this amazing perspective of somebody that you know again it's different but it's it's so you're just armed with more stuff than even we can have by just watching yeah yeah i i yes that was wrong no but it was good i uh i i don't know because i'm i'm one thing i i learned through dealing with the pandemic is that our jobs aren't essential.
We were all lucky as hell. Yeah.
Yes. And so I had to re- Well, I did create dogs.
I had to re-calibrate. This guy's got a job for life.
It's crazy. I actually may have a follow-up on that.
Go ahead, Titus. No, I just had to recalibrate what my life is what i'm trying to accomplish what i'm trying to do because like i always knew that this was like a lucky position to be in that i can just what i would watch the exact same amount of basketball probably if i'm getting paid for it and i just get to talk and for some reason i don't know how it works i get checks in the mail for it i just show up i talk and get checks, and I'm like, this is fucking sick.
But then when that whole world ends,

and you guys are broad sports,

you guys are generalists of sports.

My appeal is a college basketball guy.

So there's no NCAA tournament.

The next season, this past season,

was even a little weird.

It really just drives home how non-essential my job is,

and that when society collapses,

no one's coming to me asking me if Duke still has a chance at a one seed.

I'm going to push back.

What?

I,

I,

yeah,

I'm going to push back because I think that I think our jobs and obviously

we're not,

you know,

fucking firefighters and,

you know,

hospital workers,

but I actually think like during the pandemic was the first time I was like,

Oh,

people,

our distractions,

our jobs are actually really important for people to just have something to

Thank you. I've done a better job of appreciating people really like to listen and hang out with us and that is important.
You're right. I love listening to you and Tate.
That's true. You're right.
I shouldn't discount that. There's never been more options.
Like Big Cat said, if they don't want to hang out with you, why the fuck do they want to listen to anything you want to say? Right. But I think you're selling yourself short.
Like, I know what you're saying. Big picture, we're nothing.
But, like, day to day, you think about it. Like, there are people, like, when we meet people out and we go on these, like, trips and stuff, it's like, you forget, like, people spend six hours with us more.
Like, a week. You know what I mean? Like's a lot you don't spend that much time with any of your friends at this point you know so totally yeah riscilla this is the first time anyway he's gonna trap us here um it is funny because you do have you guys like the the rule we always talk about is like every year you lose like one friend yeah when you get older not lose like obviously they'd still be but like you just don't you can't keep in touch with everyone and it's like something i mean text messages definitely help this because you like have your chats yeah but it's hard i i would warn anybody who's like on any kind of a silo path just understand like when you have a moment you're like oh i'll share this with marty you're like marty's got three kids fucking screaming at him right now yeah like he didn't have time for this i do it's a big cat but i like it i finally had to stop though at some point because it was like you know and i'm not trying to sound like deep or whatever but like back to the no kids thing like you don't you're not making your own memories and everybody else is making their like so you you prioritize things in a weird way because normally if having a family, you know, I probably have a kid who's like 10 or something, probably sick at hoops, good handle, whatever.
But you would be making your own memories where you're not thinking about everybody else. I'm going to push back on that.
I wasn't trying to be sad. No, I'm, I'm actually going to say, like, I think that you should never think like, oh, they're making that.
Like, I like when my friends share things with me, it doesn't mean i can respond all the time right away i think that's the part that is like the instant like oh this is sick but no a couple years ago i had that too yeah but a couple years ago i had to be like hey dude like shoot a text and say you're available later on right remember it might be like you said it might be bath time right so have kids titus but as far as losing friends goes, I think it's just a natural process. It's erosion.

You know, like... be like you said it might be bath time right so have kids titus but as far as losing friends goes i think it's just it's a natural process it's erosion yeah like the people you had more time when you were younger to spend with your friends now just as different circumstances happen to different people you lose it little by little and little and then you don't gain as many friends no especially as you get older because every person who kind of would maybe fall into that friend category is also just kind of adjacent to whatever phase in life you have to be in at that point so like it's not it's not the true friendship that you get from somebody that you spend all your time with when you're younger where you just you bond over all these common things that you have you just don't have enough time as you get older to share that much of yourself with somebody and then reach that same level of friendship i think there's also like a lack of vulnerabilities you get older too because you've done so many dumb weird shit with all your college buddies or if you're still friends with your high school buddies you'll just be like well wait i'm 35 or i'm 40 and i'm gonna meet new guys like is he gonna think i'm weird or is he weirder than i am and then you're like wait a minute you're you're even weirder than, I don't want to do any of this stuff.

You know what it is?

I'm in that game now with kids, by the way.

A lot of people want to be a friend?

No, like meeting the parents of other kids. Yeah, that's how you make friends.

That or dogs, right?

Yeah, dog park politics.

Politics, assemblies.

Yeah, you might go to a rally somewhere,

and then you end up getting in trouble together.

You all dress the same? And then you're bros for life after that. No, but there is actually some truth to that, I think, where when you're younger, you develop the long-lasting deep bonds because you get in trouble with people.
Yeah. And that's fun.
It's fun to do hood rat stuff with my friends, right? It's actually fun to go through an experience like that, and then later on be like, man, we were so dumb back then believe we got away with that the older you get the less trouble you start yeah you're just not gonna have the same level of bonding opportunity it's all a lot more surface level yeah and then kind of depending on like what you're you're you're the way you're wired you're like well this why is this guy being so friendly so soon weird loser i'm gonna be friends with this guy which is bullshit too you know so i don't know like we always joke about my friend thing i have friends all over the place like i actually have a lot of friends yeah so many that you can't even name them right but they don't i never live near them and then when you know when we get life advice this is a lot of guys like 27 28 they meet somebody and maybe she wants to move back to her hometown or they both have a job opportunity but they're not 100 sure and percent sure. And they're sort of on the fence.
And I think like, I've had some pockets of friends that stayed in Chicago or stayed in Denver. And I'm like envious of them because they actually prioritize that and they still will do cool shit.
Like, I think there's clearly a way to do it. I think guys have a very hard time meeting new friends.
You get a little bit older, but I'm more of the belief of like, if you actually have you know moving's great i've moved a million times i never let it impact any decision because i only was like very single-minded but when i see other guys i'm kind of like dan like i'm sure you want to move back to chicago and you can like that's you kind of not that like friday it's on you know well yeah no there's times wire yeah right oh the lodge right but it's yeah and i i do think on that note too it's very important to make like be the guy in your friend group that makes the extra effort to get everyone together because it always everyone always has an excuse a million excuses and like it gets harder especially when you get out of that zone of bachelor parties and And it's like, oh not gonna see like you gotta be like the guy who's like hey let's all get together let's go do this like let's go let's go to a game let's go to vague whatever it may be you'll never regret it and it's like you don't you only like there are some friends of mine that i love to death and i know i might see them once a year at most you know what i mean yeah it's like you gotta you gotta like work on it that's i think the big thing is like you have to friendship in the college and after you know when everyone's living having fun it's like it's very easy it gets harder and you have to put an effort i think that's the big lesson i also think that's almost a pest to talk to myself because i know i don't guys that are like oh you know i't live with like seven guys. Okay, maybe.
But if there's four of you that get along and you're not in a hurry, you know, I don't think 40 is weird. You want to move in? What is it about guys that it makes it so much tougher for us? It's a real guy talk.
Yeah, we're guys. There'll be girls or like a girlfriend or a wife that'll go to an exercise class and then they'll make like best friends with the teacher and then they'll hang out with that teacher and go shopping the next week and be like i made a new friend like guys we don't we don't do that it's like if we happen to like make a comment about liking the same sports team or hating the same athlete if you're like fucking lebron somebody's like yeah man tell me about it then you're like okay i made a bro today but that's like the of your interaction.
And you don't ever like follow up and you don't really actually go that next step of like, you don't spend quality time with a guy you just met because you want to be his friend. It's true.
It's so funny, but it's just. It's that we don't want to be vulnerable.
That's really all. Like the way to become friends with somebody is to be vulnerable and like like you're saying or like like that that's what's starting to get real young is like doing hood rat shit as you said that's like honestly in in some way you're you're you're being vulnerable with your friend by like i don't know breaking windows at the school at night and then now like you guys have this secret together that like if the cops come i didn't say i did you know what i mean like there should be a tinder but for guys that want to just like go break minor laws petty crime like misdemeanor but this is also gaia going back to also we've talked about i think i think women are naturally it's easier to just uh i don't know to just like open like they don't have the hard outer shell that like we have where like i don't know i i if i walked up to ryan i was like dude your thighs is a great like we bond over that yeah you know we're i would never say that it also though is maybe i want to hear that though yeah it comes full circle to like why it's stupid at times to like care about sports but that's also like a lot of my friends you know what i mean like your college friends like people like why do you care about college sports so much like i know, dude.
Like me and my best friends like to talk about the Badgers playing Minnesota on a fucking Tuesday night. Maybe that's why guys always bond over sports because that's the one part of our lives we're willing to be vulnerable.
Yeah. Be like, I'm fucking devastated my team lost.
Yeah. And you're like, I am too.
Are we friends? Yeah, you cry. You cry after a bad loss together and you're like, this is healthy.
But I hate when people are like, dude, it's just a college team. What does it matter? None of it matters.
We already know that, but it matters today. You're right.
And you know what's way better than a fucking parenting text thread? Be like, what's your diaper situation? So, you know. I'm not on any of those.
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Three or four days. I don't live out of the suitcase.
I set up the bathroom sink with all the shit that I need out there. Never done it? Really? Never unpacked.
Oh, it feels great. I've lived in hotels, too.
And then you you call the hotel home like let's go back home it does it feels really good you wake up and in the morning you go to your drawer and you pull it out and you're like i know where everything is it's like a little mini home hang up your shit although i got i've hung up stuff let's not go crazy but well you have to have you suit because then it's going to be wrinkled I used to have to wear suits all the time. Did you have to?

And I'm liquid.

I was putting away my shit at the hotel last night after I got into town. I did, again, not a drug guy, but I did smoke marijuana with some other people here.
It's illegal in California, by the way. Not federally, though.
Correct, correct. I'm opening myself up to the DEA.
But I looked at my drawers this morning that i put all my shit in last night it made no sense the order that i just put i have my suit in there with my dirty underwear from the night before i've got like it's all it's put away it's yeah because man you don't know we invite all these top shelf parties no that's a good point but there's something about the suit yeah i bring it about... You packed a suit? Yeah.
I bring a suit. What? Yeah.
Wait, what party are you actually bringing a suit for? Yeah, what are you talking about? I pack dress pants and a jacket. A blazer? What? Okay, give me your roster.
What party? Yeah, what party? I don't know. I don't have a party yet, but every...
What scenario is going through your mind when you pack this? What? I need this just in case. Nobody wants to see you out that's not it not too big time you guys but i've covered seven super bowls now and uh at most of these super bowls i have been invited to one party or another where it's a higher dress up type party where i would feel like you know how i dress here's the thing about me 99 of the time i dress like the biggest asshole in the world when he puts on a collared shirt, I'm like, who died? But that's the point.
I don't think anybody wants you. I have normal PFT speed.
And then I've got, like, you're going to a wedding or a funeral speed. Yes.
No, seriously. When he puts on, when he has a collared shirt, I'm like, did someone die that I didn't know about? Like, did you come from a funeral? Because it's weird.
Listen. Okay.
Yes. I just, listen, I was vulnerable with you guys.
Don't ever do that again. We're going to do it again.
We roasted you. But there's something, I from a funeral because it's weird listen okay yes i just listen i was vulnerable with you guys don't ever do that again we're gonna do it but there's something i don't know it's something i picked up recently where i just feel better about myself if i just put stuff away yeah like i'm building my own little no i'm with you i i started doing that a couple years ago it's a big move i like it as well it is a game changer yeah i like that what like that.
What else you got, PFT? Let me see.

Anybody else want to go?

We can cycle around.

The suit's stunning.

One that came to mind for me is it kind of boils down to set the bar low,

but not only set the bar low,

keep the bar low as long as you possibly can on a lot of different things

and some examples of this.

Obviously at work, I worked at the Ringer for God knows how long.

I've worked at Fox.

I think this is going on year three for me. I don't know how to check my work email is what like how it works like when people hit me up i'm just like ah shit i don't have i don't i still haven't learned that yes i haven't been on board so yeah there's that but then also another thing that i've i've done that has worked well for me is i've pretended that like experiences are my first time uh uh food this, food is the first time I've tried this food.
I've gotten free meals out of this. I've never tried sushi.
You guys want to get sushi tonight? And then like, you're like, Oh my God, you know, you have to come on, let's go. That's smart.
And then I'm like, what is that? What is it? You know, I did that. It's like Jimmy being in a Jimmy buffer concert.
Yeah. That's smart.
Being the new guy. Everyone wants to like, everyone wants to fold a new guy into like their thing so if you're like what is i what is i and they're like come with me i'll pay for everything i'll teach you everything that's genius and if you can keep that going as long as you can it's smart for it's a winning combo but it's also it's sneaky smart and it helps out everybody else too because then the night is like oh we're introducing mark to sushi everyone else's enjoyment gets raised up.
They're like, how do you like the nagi? Yeah, yeah. Like that? A lot of people don't like it their first time.
That's great. Yeah, exactly.
I like that move a lot. Yeah.
There's that one. I just have something I want to improve on.
You know, I wasn't always a great tenant as a renter. My early phases, not a lot of heads up.
That whole like, hey, I'm moving out at the end of the month. One time I moved out that day and the landlord was like, what's going on? And I was like, oh, I'm out.
I'm out of here. I got to leave.
He's like, today? He's like, what about the 30 days thing? I was like, yeah, I can't pay this month. Like, I'm moving.
He was just like, you're asshole not proud of it so then once i had a you know a little investment property and was in charge i wanted to be relaxed i want to be a little hands-off and uh you're the cool mom yeah i want to be like the right right i'm like i'm not gonna hammer you in some of this stuff here or there so tenants moved out i was real, real relaxed about a lot of it.

And, um, there was human piss all over a Tempur-Pedic mattress that cost me about 1500

bucks.

They taking the mattress cover off.

So I was like, all right, this sucks.

Yeah.

It sucks.

So I just wanted to see how they would respond.

So my life hack was, I had two choices, be professional or dump a piss stain mattress

off in front of the guy's house. And I'm so proud that I didn't choose number two.
That's like me not finding the ref's name. That's right.
Yeah, you had the thought. I was like, what am I supposed to do with this mattress? I guess I could get it steam cleaned.
It's nice. But I said, I'm just going to give the guy a chance.
We'll ask him. And I was like, hey, any idea what's going on there, why the mattress cover was off? Which was definitely on when they checked in because I turned it over.
You know, I was a very hands-on. Yeah.
And he was like, I'll check with the other guy. I'm like, you just went, you just did a check with the other guy to me? Mm-hmm.
And so my life hack would be improving on those scenarios in the future.

Take a better inventory.

The tenant empowerment era.

You're not a fan of the tenant empowerment era.

I don't want to get political about this.

There's more renters than landlords, so the landlords lose public opinion.

That's just the way it is.

I do think.

But apparently their mortgage goes away, right?

It is a tough spot to be.

I find myself trusting too much.

That was good.

I like that, Ryan.

People don't think about that.

You trust too much?

They don't care about that.

I trust too much sometimes.

I think that falls into that.

I try to think of the best in people.

I seriously was being so awesome about it, and then I went i got fucking burned yeah right sweet yeah like some guy will send me a pick and i'll be like this guy's a sharp and then he'll burn me it burns me a lot okay by the way there was a pick that was sent to big cat from me and i had good intel on it and it was based on a theory and it didn't even come close right it was like a disaster out of the gates and then there was another game where i was like hey this is happening tonight and then because you your first impression is everything right even when it's the people you've made impressions with already but i sent this to me and chris long right i sent it to chris long and we'd bring it up he lost so spectacularly right it was and we were it was you know what it was do you remember the game i do because i do well of course i remember it because i felt bad about it was lakers rockets game one right when he was like the lakers are going to destroy the rockets the lakers did destroy the rockets in games two through six or five five the rockets crushed the lakers in game one yeah Yeah, the whole theory was they'd just gone seven games. They're going to be a little worn out.
That turnaround was brutal because if you apply the same theory to, I think, the Denver side of the bracket, it actually played out perfectly based on what the theory was. And so then the next one was whether or not a guy was going to play.
Let's leave this out. And I was like, hey, this is happening tonight.

And then he was ruled out.

And I was like, that's not right.

It's not right.

And you're like, you guys were killing me.

Because you're like, you gave us the pick based on this guy being back.

And they just ruled him out again.

And I'm like, nope, it's wrong.

And I remember I even told Big Cat, though,

this is where I deserve to be off the hook more,

or it should have reset the first impression meter,

is I was like, what'd you bet?

And you were like, five grand.

And I go, I will bet you five grand on what you do.

I'll take your action then because I'm right.

And he did play, and you won.

But we never fucking hear that story, do we?

Chris and I would bring up the Rockets-Lakers game just randomly, like once every week. It was endless.
You know, you put yourself in the crosshairs with your buddies, try to make them a little cash. You'd just be like, what are you guys doing this weekend? I'd be like, well, I'm not doing anything because I'm poor now because I bet the hoop.
What about the Mississippi State lock? Yeah, you had that. You saw that.
What about the Golden State the other night where I was like, Golden State's actually to come back and win this game. You did, and I bet that, and I went to sleep.
Guy bets money line, wakes up with a winner. Yep, that's true.
I literally said to you, I was like, I'm going to go to sleep. I'm going to bet it.
I'm going to go to sleep because I trust you. So I think I'm four and one.
Yeah. We keep hearing about that.
The one was really, really good. No, it was terrible because it was a theory based on somebody else's theory who's like a genius.
Oh yeah damn um all right i got one uh i i'm a big believer in this one and with covid we didn't do it for a couple years because we didn't get together be the cooler guy not the grill guy that's a big one yeah the grill guy at any outing or like barbecue or anything sucks And people think it's awesome. It sucks.
Cooler guy gets to control the beer. Also, if you can keep everything cold, everyone's going to be like, oh, my God, you did a great job.
It's like, it's not that hard. Yeah, how hard is it? It's not.
Just being like, I'll go get the ice. I'll go get this.
I'll do that. I'll take care of the drinks.
When you mean the cooler guy, are you talking about like you're sitting on the cooler? No, no, no. I'm talking about being the guy who goes and gets like, all right, I'll bring the ice.
You don't do anything, actually. Just bring stuff.
Yes. But grill guy sucks.
That sucks. I'm going to push back on that.
I like being the grill guy. I think it ruins the time.
You just basically have to just stand there at the grill. You're definitely not there for the party.
You're there to work. And then you're like, oh, this is sick.
I'm the grill guy. Look at me.
But if you deliver as the grill guy, you're the guy. Yeah, but it doesn't really.
Single? I don't know. Smelling like fucking burgers? Yeah, right.
And you're just like – Never get to put any time in. No one's like, man, that was awesome.
I would have liked to spend more time with you. When you're the grill guy, it's not like you're in charge of dinner and a show.
You're not entertaining people while you grill. It's just something cool to do.
I enjoy cooking meat and then putting it out on a plate. It gives me something to do for, I don't know 30 40 minutes i think i like it yeah i always i hate like i think there's expectations are too high everything just feels like you're you're a lot of microscope a lot of people think they can do it yeah you can tell you can tell the guy immediately like are you gonna keep flipping it all day right you're doing something you don't really need people judge you it's just nice to not have to worry about it and just be like, I'm not grilling.
But I also think sometimes a guy that maybe has some social hangups is like, oh, I'll just be a girl guy. Because then it's like, now there's no pressure on me.
Like, oh, I'd love to come over and chat. It'd be awkward.
I'm grilling. Yeah, yeah.
That's probably why I like it. I don't have to talk to anybody.
I'm just going to try to make sure this brisket is... Jesus.
You can convince yourself that when you feed everybody, like everyone here would have died if it wasn't for me. Yeah.
I provide nutrients to everybody. That's, that's you spending too much time with Billy football, but people would rather have cooler guys show up.
The cool guy showing up is great. Yeah.
Yeah. And just being like, I got the drinks.
I'm bringing the ice. I'm doing like, dude, who doesn't want, like, I just, I'm cooler guy.
I'm cooler guy to cooler guy to the beach that's become my thing yeah i am uh i've become cooler guy and it's uh it's a great job because it i it's not an active job though right it's you do it and then it's you bring it and then you sit yeah and you but also people are always like dude if you if you're like oh you want you need a beer oh you need an extra beer oh yeah okay yeah it's a fucking you get a lot of rewards for that. I'll admit that in Ubers

sometimes Oh, you need an extra beer? Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah.
It's a fucking, you get a lot of rewards for that. I'll admit that in Ubers, sometimes in person, I'll pretend I can't speak English.
When you get in the car, how do you say it? How do you let them know? I'll just be like, un peu j'ai pas. I have a little French.
That's good. If I have enough French, I can say a few sentences and the accents i've always been as strong with my accents they've always said that but i'll just i'll just be like you know and they're just like that's just i want to go to the beach which technically i do but um they just freaks everybody out like don't speak english so yeah i've had solic You know, show up.
Because I used to get a little more aggressive with solicitors. I used to look forward to the confrontation where I'd get out of the gym and be like, hey, man, I want to talk to you.
I love those sneakers. You just get out of the gym.
Fuck off. I'm not signing up for your thing.
And just to see. Because it's like you've been harassing people all day.
Yeah. And like one guy, and they get so mad at you.
Because like one guy's like, no, fuck this no fuck this yeah i'm not doing it i don't want there to be any confusion and then i'll be like whoa whoa so i was like all right stop doing that so now a guy will come up and i'll just be like you know like news along's a la plage you are french yeah right it's we want to go to the beach the nice thing in new york is you literally just don't have to look at anyone. No, but I've gotten into a couple.
Like back in the day when Soho, there would just be dudes that would like harass you with the CD thing. You just never say anything.
They're still there. You never say anything.
It's not as bad as it used to. It used to be so bad because everybody was just afraid to not give the person five or ten bucks.
Because you'd be like, wait, now you wanted money for this? Yeah, right. Now you're holding it.
Now you feel like you're stealing it. Yeah, yeah, right.
That's a transaction. And I would just be like, nope, I don't want your fucking CD.
And the guy would be like, you know, and then people kind of look around. And you're like, all right, you can relax a little on this one.
There's an easier way to do this, but I just like to, I'm going to be very certain.

You like a little bit of confrontation.

I do.

Oh, you live off of it.

Yeah, how long

do you have to go

for that itch

to start creeping up

where you're like,

I really want to get

into a shouting argument?

It is an argument.

I'm not talking about

just straight up arguments.

I'm not that.

You strike me as a guy

who making a citizen's arrest

is on your bucket list.

Oh, yeah.

You would love to like, you'd be like, hey, hey, you can't do that. You walk up, yeah, when you see cops with the yellow tape, you walk up, you're like, need any help here? I just went from cool to Dwight Schrute.
No, no, that's not the case. And honestly, if I had beaten up the stalker, probably that would have been my, that was my shot.
Do you think you could have taken him? Yeah. No, I'm just kidding.
No, not that I'm, but I could, no. No, you're wrong on that.
I just, I don't, I like confrontation, but not to the point of like, I don't want to just start arguing with strangers all the time. You would have to start.
I like, I'm on your side. You would have to do something that I don't want you to do to me yes and i'm just gonna make sure you know immediately like no this is not like i i got into one uh the other day in my neighborhood there's like a shitload of construction i was driving my car and i like there was like a shitload of like trucks and everything so there's one way to go through and me and this guy hit the hole at the exact same time and i I'm not joking.
I sat for five minutes and he sat for five minutes. And we just were honking at each other like motherfucking each other.
And it was thrilling. Finally, some truck moved.
So we both could be like, all right, we got to win. Did you guys respect each other, you think, when it was done? It was like a little.
I think so. But I put down my window.
He put down. He's like, fuck you.
I was here first. No, fuck you.
And I know I shouldn't do because like people are crazy with road rage like you could have had a gun but it was it gave me adrenaline for the rest of the day my god it was awesome we were just standing there like sitting there literally just looking at each other like fuck you no fuck you like you moved no i was here first you think you would have taken him yeah i probably could have i did that that clip of those two guys. It was awesome.
Dude, it was. But those are thrilling.
Those guys probably went on and had the best day of their lives. Yes.
Because you walk away and you're like, wow, that was kind of a rush. Those guys knew each other, don't they? Yeah, it was a fake.
Right. That kind of put a damper on it.
But you can imagine if you were in that scenario, it would have felt good for the rest of your day. Yeah.
To get into an actual argument with somebody face to face on the street because i feel like we're too nice sometimes we hold back yeah i think if we were allowed like and again it has to be i would say in retaliation to something that's happening like i have this it's a horrible deal and if i you ever read the things like riscilla shot in the street i'm gonna tell you exactly where it happens because outside of the Equinox. Whoa, that was a left turn.

Outside of the Equinox, there's two lanes,

and you can go left or right for the most part, right?

And there's an exit of a strip mall because it happened again today.

And there is like three cars that can get to the light,

and then behind that with these massive lanes out here,

you have to leave the area clear so people can get it out, and then you stop at almost like a second area behind it. It's fairly common out here.
What always happens is there's some guy leaving the strip mall that sees that gap and goes, well, I'll just pull out and get behind the car. And not only do you cut everybody that's like obeying what you're supposed to do, you then also cut off the other lane to turn right.
And everybody does it. And it's like half the i'm usually i always make sure i leave the gap and then now when i see somebody try to sneak in i just go well fuck it then i'll just pull up and then they get caught and they think i've cut them off and i'll just be like what do you how do you think this is going to work like what did you think what do you think was going on like you were going to be the one that did it you were going to be the one and now you think i'm wrong because i did the right thing or the wrong.
And it's just like, I'm going to get shot. And the worst is I'm right after I get out of the gym.
So I'm so fucking amped up. Yeah.
Feed the wolf. It's horrible.
Pre-workout? What's that? What pre-workout? Oh, just anger. You remember Jack? Did you ever take Jack? Yeah, I took Jack.
Jack was the absolute best. I don't know what happened to the original formula Jack,

but I'm pretty sure that it was meth.

I think that there was a chemical in it.

It was like the dimethylene 1,3 germanium extract.

Hey, look.

It was methamphetamines.

That was nuts.

And the one that was really fucked up,

you all will be too young for it.

Did I just yell?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know if I like that I did that.

Is ultimate orange. Look that up.
Okay. That was like, I was taking that, I think, my early 20s and I came home because I was like off for a semester.
I was going to work construction. Didn't work out.
And I would come home and I didn't have any money so I'd go up to my parents' house to get some food or something and i'd leave the gym and that my father'd be like what the fuck is wrong with you so i don't know i don't know there's ultimate orange they banned that they banned that 20 years ago that's how bad that was this ain't your daddy's pre-workout are you looking it up right now increased muscle mass strength energy and focus that's what they. What's in it, though? I don't even know if I want to know.
Why was Ultimate Orange pre-workout banned? It caused strokes, seizures, cardiac arrhythmia, and heart attacks. And active in it.
Oh, it had ephedra in it. That's why.
Ephedra was the one that was in a lot of pre-workout. That was in Jack, too? No, Jack had actually, I'm pretty sure it was synthetic meth that was in it.
And so they re-released it with a different formula, and all the forums exploded. They were like, whatever happened to all the JAT? Then people went out there, and they bought.
They bought the old ones, yeah. The guys had, like, garages just filled with tubs, and the price of each container skyrocketed to, like, $150 as opposed to $29.99.
It was a problem for them. It was not an easy come down.
I have one that I wrote here that's kind of serious but kind of a joke, but we all find ourselves in situations where we're eating somebody's food or if you're at a brewery and somebody put a lot of time and work into creating something, you take a sip or a bite of it and you just hate it immediately and you don't know what to say ever just say there's a lot going on in here there's a lot of flavor wow there's a lot going on that's really good what's the guy fieri he does what does he say when he's like the nicest the meanest thing he says um because he's so nice right he says something that's like that's that's like, that's a tell. Oh, fuck.
Did he share it with you guys? I'd love to know this information. I can't remember.
It might have been just a wow. He just gives you a basic wow.
He gives you one wow. With Guy Fieri, you're in trouble.
A lot going on is good. Usually, if he goes, wow, that's out of bounds, then that's good.
I got to find it. I got to find it.
But keep but keep going this is amazing yeah and then the the other the kind of serious one is um i wish i had written more notes to people like small notes yeah like this is going back to hotels and again i'm like i'm thinking about hotels because i'm currently in one so it's top of my mind but if you write like a small note to the housekeeping staff when they come by they're like people whose jobs you know are so monotonous and boring if you just write like a small note to them being like hey i appreciate it thank you for cleaning the room it can make their day like i got into a note off one time with the housekeeping staff at um it was in indianapolis at the combine i wrote like a little note thanking them the first night then Then my room was clean. They wrote me a note back saying, thank you so much for leaving me this note.
Brighten my day. Then I feel pressure where I have to write an even better note.
So now I have to sit down and think about what I'm going to write on my second note back to that. It sounds like an assignment.
Yeah, I got myself into a little bit of a... No, I'm with you, P.T.
I'm with you. Notes are...
Yeah.

Because think about the last time you got a handwritten note from somebody.

It makes you feel better.

It makes you...

It's a small bit of connection that you can do with somebody.

Yes.

I think that both parties benefit from it.

Van Pelt used to do a handwritten note for every guest we had.

Really?

Then I think...

Damn.

Would he ever ask you to sign it?

No.

They didn't want my name on anything. Wait, what? I was on that.
I was on your radio show. I never got it handwritten up.
That must have been... Interesting.
That might have been an impermissible benefit. Well, what year? What year were you on with us? Would have been 09.
I got my first taste of controversy with you guys because I believe you asked me which cheerleaders in the Big Ten were the least attractive. That doesn't sound like us.
09 humor? Yeah, I said Northwestern. Who were they offended because it's Purdue? Yeah, Purdue.
I got to be careful. I've been worked into a pretzel because my mother went to purdue and played basketball and was in the hall of fame at purdue and anyone that grows up in indiana knows that like no women go to purdue and that like you just want to make jokes about there are no women at purdue and yet my own mother yeah so i'm like put it like like i want to do it so bad but then i i don't know so anyway work that hall of fame speaking of purdue i got a life hack daniel like this uh like this.
Because my mom goes to Purdue, one thing I do for her every year is I give $35. That's her jersey number to Purdue University in her name.
And what it has allowed me to do, the life hack, is that I grew up in Indiana, and I don't really care for Purdue that much. I can now shit on Purdue with free reign.
Yes. I'm technically donating to the school, and I'm'm technically a booster.
So that's a life hack maybe. Like throw 10, 20 bucks to your rival.
Yeah. And then you're allowed to say whatever you want.
Yeah. And I don't know.
Donate. Yeah.
That actually is a good one. Building small excuses for yourself is always important.
Yeah. I like that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Is that what, that's where you landed on? That's what it yeah yeah don't give money don't like give time just like only do something nice for somebody else if it's going to benefit you in the long run yeah um i had a one for bachelor parties be do uh get up early one morning and clean the whole place you're the the king for the whole weekend. There's that one guy, like if you get a house, if you'd make the effort, because it's always that like who's cleaning and everyone knows the asshole who doesn't do anything.
If you're just like one morning, you're like, all right, I'm getting up and like everyone's going to get up and they're going to see the whole place is clean. You now have like checked off your i i've done something to help the crew here to expand on that i think just the the every so often grand gesture in general is a great play right the like selectively picking up the tape you're someone that doesn't have a lot of money and and you know that you can't you can't not pick up the tap every single time one time when you're're at maybe a mid-tier restaurant, you're not at a really fancy place with all the friends, you're like, you know what, guys? I got this one.
And then they'll remember it forever. Yes.
That was a trick I pulled with my rich friends once they got to the NBA and they'd come back. I would try once every two years, I would pick up the tab, and they would all look at me like, what the fuck? And then I feel like in my mind, I've positioned myself, unlike all those other mooches over here, I'm trying.
I'm doing my best, and I don't know. It also is like if you are in a spot where you've made some money, and you have people you're working with who haven't doing the little things of picking up lunch, doing shit like that like it actually it's it matters you know what i mean and like people i i also am a big believer in like if you do if you're in a spot where you're whatever job you're in and you have people that do a really like good job helping you be better you have to make sure that you take care of them like i heard a story once that like saban just like he has everyone over his house like everyone literally like yeah ball boys like everyone who has anything to do with the program and like everyone gets like a huge christmas bonus and it's like from like every person down the line and it's like that type of thing like if you have a if you're in a spot where you have the ability to do that it means a to people, and you don't want to be the guy who doesn't do that.
Who was it that we were talking to that had Matt LaFleur over and he thought he was going to a party? Brian Kelly. Yeah.
That's Ryan's guy. Yeah, your guy, Brian Kelly.
He was with Salah, right? He was just the ballad. He was the cooler guy.
That story's so bad, I almost can't believe it's true. Apparently, Kelly invited Sala and LaFleur over, and they thought they were going to a Christmas party, and instead they stayed outside and parked cars.
Yeah, parked cars for them, yeah. But little shit like that, it's like there's- I don't even know.
I don't know. That's so bad if it's true.
But there is like, you know, you have to take care of people that are- No, but there's a bigger thing than what you're saying, and you're right.'re totally right and you know you got you may not learn it till a little bit later you know you also have to be the person that's a position like look early on van pelt paid for every dinner right okay he just knew he's gonna pay for everybody he's gonna take care of everybody and i get to a certain point where it's like hey let me grab a check here like i know it's your move yep but let me grab one just like ty's talking about like it's almost like if you know i remember like dating somebody when i was younger and she didn't have any money i didn't have any money and I paid and then like once a month she'd be like I was talking about, like, it's almost like if, you know, I remember like dating somebody when I was younger and she didn't have any money. I didn't have any money.
And I paid. And then like once a month, she'd be like, I got it.
And it meant the world to me. It's a good part, the reverse.
And I've had other people I've hung out with where they had money and they, they wouldn't fucking cross the street for 10 bucks. Then they'd ask me for it instead.
You know, and you're just like, look, it's just's just little but i think what you're saying is like i'll get all these life advice emails about well we had the bill was this and then after this vacation ended up being all these different things and it can sound like well hey you guys are now older and you've made some money you're more dismissive and i'm like look we just spent all this time talking about how hard it was to make friends and to meet friends when you're older and stuff. And some of you fucking guys want to argue over $75 from a fucking bachelor party weekend where you're ready to.
And I get like, hey, there is a guy in the group that always thinks he's winning by not kicking in money. Right.
And it fucking sucks. And the only thing you can do is just keep hammering him on it when he keeps doing it all the time.
And that's his role in the friend group. But don't be so ready to go on some of the money stuff where it's like you realize some of the stuff, you guys are going to lose lifelong friends over 50 or 75.
Look, if somebody keeps doing it, like I said, I can understand it being an issue, but I can't believe how many emails we get. And you're just like just like all right you want to start cutting guys off because a happy hour after fucking at 26 years old go ahead but you're gonna regret it yeah and sometimes it's easier to just like there have been situations where it's like oh there's a security deposit or something like all right well let me cover it and like we'll all be happy you know what i mean like not making everything there's something about like when you get older where it's like, Hey, y'all go out to like breakfast or brunch or something.
It's like, no, we don't like split it all up. You know, like there's just something about.
It's finding that line all the time. And that's kind of what it is where you could be like, all right, you shouldn't, one guy shouldn't get stuck with everything all the time.
But I also don't want to be here with a fucking calculator down to the desk point after a golf trip. Cause it you it makes it it lessens everyone's like enjoyment but yeah i do think taking care of people who make you whatever job it is who make you your job easier and your life easier is super important and it doesn't always it doesn't have to be cash it can just be like hey you what you do for me is like very important and very vital to my success here's a hoodie i don't want yeah here the pile take anything from the pile i should also include that i with the notes you also should leave some money i was wondering because i was like yeah no this is better than any money i can give you it's a it's a personal thank you yeah but do the the bachelor party one like and also i i've later like don't do it when you're in 20s but when you're 30s don't be ashamed of just leaving the bachelor party early like i do the like late like if i go to vegas i think that's lame why yeah because everyone's dead we've spent all the it depends on the how much time you're there right but you don't get those like we've had trips like that i've gone through them i remember one weekend years ago where by the time Saturday rolled around, I was like, because we'd done Thursday and Friday like idiots.
That's what I'm talking about. And I just went, I don't want to go out tonight.
I'm like, I'm over it. I'm done.
And then, you know, my other buddy was like, we all flew from all over the country to be here. What are you going to do? Get a movie? Like you're going to sit here and watch a movie and to get takeout? Like you have to go.
It's not. So i don't like it's not that night it's the it's the early morning i'll always just leave i'll be the first to leave in the morning that's i don't like to get it sit around and like yeah that like you're like the sunday on the get out day i'm out getting out anyway i'm out with first one right not the not to leave the party early yeah you're right about that like how much community cleanup is going to be involved on the last day.
Yeah, but that's also part of the... If you get up early, clean the whole place up, and then leave.
Yeah. I think that's...
Also, for bachelor parties, however much cocaine you're going to get, it's not going to be enough. I wouldn't know.
I don't use drugs. Don't do drugs.
Don't do drugs don't do drugs or jack three i also had one that you that was that was a pre-workout you would take and then just you go to the gym and then just sit on the toilet for 30 minutes and be like well i can't work out i've been in the bathroom this long i gotta get to work get home get showered that was a bad decision really gets the insides moving be the guy though on the

bachelor party that does something for everyone like that like clean up go get breakfast do

something it's that's golf towels it's a big move no no embroidered golf towels i'm talking about

like like oh i'm gonna go my drinking group has a friendship problem that's i have one for uh

you ryan and titus for pickup hoops uh i'll let titus go on this one i'm embarrassed to be in such

Thank you. hats i have one for uh you ryan and titus for pickup hoops uh i'll let titus go on this one i'm embarrassed to be in such company no i because this is more well it's actually more for me but you guys might hate this move but when you get tired in pickup hoops just saying the wrong score so that you get an extra like timeout so everyone has to stop and you have to count everyone's like who's got who's like all right i got two you got four just like just just kind of like making a little foggy so you get that extra breath that's really good that's a that's a big one yeah and you have to you can't do it if you haven't scored though because like it's very important to be like well i have two because there's nothing worse than being like what does everyone have and you're like i got zero yeah so i just i have nine it's nine four yeah uh that's a good one yeah um i i one that came to mind was um i've picked up all my neighbors from this is that you can let your dog do whatever the fuck it wants as long as you say oh my god he never does this yep as he's doing it that's a good life hack so just like let your dog just run fucking wild and you know get up all in stranger's business and then run over and just say he's never done this oh he never does this i have a buddy that did this who and it was amazing because it was the funniest thing ever to watch if there was some sort of confrontation for like an older person yelling at you like hey you shouldn't park there or whatever he would just go what and the guy be like you shouldn't park there what like no you can't you can't park what yeah and then by the fifth or sixth what he would realize oh you get a real weisenheimer here but then like don't call Steve Austin what you just yeah exactly what you just did right there was uh actually reaction that I think that they would get.
Once you realize what he's doing, you're like, okay. And it's almost like you're exasperated.
You're like, we got an asshole. Okay, buddy.
And then you turn around and walk away. Confrontation's over.
Yeah, it's actually brilliant. It neutralizes it.
Yeah. And meanwhile, we'd all be sitting around laughing hysterically because we were like, how many what's is he going to get to? To that same point, if you ever get – don't get into a fight.
Bar fights are very dangerous. I've learned that.
Bar fights, they look cool on TV. Bar fights are scary.
But if you do find yourself in a fight, you know what a good move is? Like right before the fight, somebody's always – you're woofing at each other a little bit. The guy says something to you, ask him, be and be like what'd you just say and then as he starts to repeat himself that's when you punch him because he's focused on remembering what he just said and repeating he never expects the punch in that situation here's another one for bar fights i haven't been in a bar fight a very very long time but can we hear about that story which one whoa most most house bar fight yeah we got No, I was going to say, if you ever get in a bar fight or a situation, don't punch anyone.
Just choke them. Just go straight to the choke.
Or just, you know what a good move is, too? It's a move that no one expects. If you just grab someone by the neck.
Life hack, choke them. No, seriously.
You're keeping your body pretty tight. Because everyone's like, holy shit, is there choking going on? And then it stops.

If you double leg somebody and you just take them down and you hold them on the ground.

Yeah, you make them tap.

Eventually, while the whole fight is happening around you,

you and this guy will just be holding each other so long that you'll both get tired.

Yep.

And then you'll just kind of have the gentleman's agreement of,

okay, the real fight's over there.

We're done with our little piece right here.

Also, yeah.

I feel like PMT's been a secret badass pod.

Nobody knew.

Who's the book? Kind of like had the gentleman's agreement of, okay, the real fight's over there. We're done with our little piece right here.
Also, yeah.

I feel like PMT's been a secret badass pod.

Nobody knew.

You started this when you broke it down that you could fucking fight us.

Yeah, but that was in jest.

And then what happened?

I feel like, do we have Saruti matched up with Hank?

Because I didn't like Saruti's chances in that one, Hank.

And then Billy was involved. I forget.
I forget. You don't like i didn't like bodied i didn't like saruti's chances in that one hank and then billy was involved i don't forget i forget you don't like the choke move it's serious i mean you know it's gonna get a reaction it really does end things pretty quickly because no one really wants to like have a choke i had a bottle cracked over my head once it sucked i was back up visiting I literally had just walked in from a long road trip.
So I hadn't even been drinking. And I get in.
And I remember because I had one of those sick north faces on that we had to have like three different colors of. And somehow something happened.
But it was my friend's bar. So I was trying to help.
And then I got like grabbed from behind and the guy was like it's i'm a cop i'm a cop i'm off duty i'm off duty and i'm just getting pummeled in the fucking head being like i was afraid to do anything because i thought a cop had me and then i got hit over the head with a beer bottle which actually if it hits in the right spot it's not that big deal. And then I turned around, and it was just a decent-sized patron.

And I'm like, what the fuck did you do?

And I'm cleaning up the blood on the side of my head.

I'm like, why would you do that?

And the thing is, I wasn't even in pain as much as I was so annoyed that I was like,

I have been back in town 20 minutes.

Right.

I'm like, this sucks.

Just showed up.

And I go, you know, I was trying to help out.

And he's like, well, he goes, I thought you were going to turn around and start hauling on me, so I just grabbed you, and then I said I was a cop.

And he goes, it worked.

And I'm like, yeah, great.

And now I have fucking glass in my head, and I would not try any of those moves.

Yeah.

Unless you want to do the fake cop. Again, we cannot endorse pretending to say you're on the job, impersonating an officer, but for him not someone right stealing valor is never okay right ever all right what else we got we wrap up soon ryan did you listen to uh to today's podcast part of my take i know you're a big fan well i listened to the whole road trip part of it where billy was talking about uh how well the speed carries i'm a big billy fan yeah.
I was curious if you listened to the one today because you and I share a bond. Eskimo brothers? I, too, I walked into the wrong hotel room in Memphis.
It was double booked. And there were rose petals everywhere.
And it's tricky because my key worked. And I was like.
All right. My key did work.
No, my key did work. It did? Yeah did yeah my key worked i got in and you didn't end up national news or on facebook for 48 hours did you not the only other one i had was this is gambling good pivot if if a bet's going bad i like to pretend that i bet on the other team so like the winning bet and see if i can like reverse it that way so i'll do that you do that all the time yeah i do that all the time and also the mental math of gambling is very important your xbox playstation 5 giveaway tweet when a bet is going bad did you not be honest had you seen that anywhere else you know straight up invented that on your own so i so a couple guys in our off or jersey jerry and a couple other people they've received got hacked and John Rostein.
I got hacked when I got boxed out. Really? Then I went on a rant, and then it was fixed.
They got hacked like three weeks prior. By the way, it was really weird.
I didn't even notice. After a couple days, I was like, oh, that's right.
I don't have it. That is weird.
It's crazy. Yeah.
I saw they actually got hacked, and when they did, I was like, ah, I'm going to use this. And I was like, this is just going to be in my back pocket whenever something goes bad.
And people like our social team text me every time. They're like, dude, you got hacked.
Gottlieb. Oh, my God.
Gottlieb texted you, right? Yeah. He got leave text.
He's like, bro, you got hacked. I was like, no, I was like, no, Doug.
Wisconsin is losing to Illinois right now very badly. And he's like, no, bro, you got hacked i was like no i was like no doug wisconsin is losing to illinois right now very badly and he's like no bro you got hacked i'm like no doug and he's like the ps5s i was like yes i tweeted that he's like i don't know man i was like i tweeted that doug's like who is this prove that prove that you're dan cat yeah no it's a picture of today's newspaper yeah it's it's's it's a foolproof because everyone just like and then you just you gotta like I just go to sleep after just stop that don't treat for the rest of the night.
Oh, it's great. I love it.
I've got a I've got one more. I've mentioned this one before, but I feel like it needs to be said here because it's really gotten me out of some tough situations back when I had like a corporate job when I was in the real world and uh in if you're

ever in a business meeting or talking to your boss and there's something that you did incorrectly

or something that you failed to do instead of saying like I thought we were supposed to do this

this and this say my understanding was that I was supposed to do this this and this it's a great way

of saying the exact same thing but also making it like halfway seem like you have your shit together because you had an understanding.

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Everyone knows I do this. This is my move.
But just to yell, you're going to love that off the tee for anything. And then it works.
Even if they have a bad shot, it's funny. Like, oh, you're going to love that when they're clearly in the woods.
It always kills. I would encourage people to call for more meetings.
Now that I've been out in L.A. for a couple years, people love fucking meeting.
They love telling you who you could meet with. Just sitting and meeting.
I would say you should take that back to the Midwest, Midwest sensibilities, maybe Northeast, Pacific Northwest, American Southwest, Turquoise. Shout out, Turquoise.
If you're at the office or you're 23 start asking people to meet do you ever yeah no you do feel important when you got a meeting it's like oh i got a meeting yeah yeah yeah i'll still never forget this one intern like emailed greenie this guy was out of control he's the most aggressive intern i've ever seen in my entire life he would just start emailing guys on the corporate email to be like would like to set aside some time you for like 30 minutes or whatever. And Greeny was like, do I know? And he would like leave the voice out.
He's like, why do I have a lunch at 1045 with, did I agree to this? What? And he was so confused. Then it happened to Van Pelt.
Van Pelt one time was like, who the fuck is this guy? And this intern was just running around ESPN, just booking me.

And he would actually like, he would phrase it in a way that was vague.

Right.

So it wasn't like, do you want to meet?

Because that's a no.

It would be like, was hoping to follow through on the time I'd set aside.

And you're like, what the fuck is going on?

So again, that guy went a little too hard with it.

And then once everybody kind of figured him out, I think he got a talking to, because it was was like hey i don't think chris fowler is going to meet with you anytime soon i don't chris fowler wouldn't meet with me uh but don't be afraid to maybe you know hey like to follow up on something you said here yep and take that la sensibility and apply that to other places i like that off of Off of that, too, my favorite thing to do, and I think most people know this, but maybe the first week of December is the perfect time to be like, let's touch base after New Year's and just fucking push everything. You can start that the day after Thanksgiving.
You know what? Let's save this for after New Year's. Hollywood doesn't do vacations they shut down like seasonally yeah right i'll be like hey didn't really hey can you get this in and i'm like why do i have to eat like wow you know people are gonna pick it back around february 12th you're like what the meeting thing is good though it really does make you feel important when you're like let's have a meeting yeah let's talk about this like the meat do you ever say have you reached a point in life where you refer to hanging out with somebody as like visiting like i visit you know i visited with this person yeah i heard so i heard an older person say that and it made it sound like it was such like a quaint experience i thought like maybe i'll start saying like yeah we had a nice visit i'd hold off on that for a bit okay that's something what are you talking something i'll aspire to say one day no is it there you go making yourself vulnerable again i don't even know how to use it in a sentence yeah it sounded that's when someone's on a hospice yeah no it sounded yeah yeah she was like i really enjoyed visiting with so-and-so i was like that sounds like way more than just a conversation no you visit someone to check to make sure they're alive yeah yeah one day one day I'll do that yeah they send us here to be like is Rousseau is he ever gonna come out of his house like we'll go we'll do it like I leave I leave once usually once a day wow good for you leave your house once a day that's life advice get that vitamin d the sun here is just incredible I got sunburned because I'm just – You look great.
I'm refusing to put on a shirt unless I really have to. That's a good look.
Do we have any Super Bowl thoughts? I mean, like – Well, this is going after, but we can really look stupid. Want to do it real quick? Real quick.
Last two minutes. Let's look stupid.
I don't know. It's hard living in L.A.
and having just an entire city rallying behind a team like they are at the – Like, have you seen people in the the streets high-fiving? I don't leave this area. I haven't seen this city buzzing for the Rams since Chip Kelly was hired.
The city has not buzzed for anything. Really? More than Mick Cronin? It's Mick Cronin, Chip Kelly.
Is this the greatest collection of winners LA's ever had? Whose city is this? No, if it's going out, who gives a shit then? Is it a bad sports town? No, not at all. It's anybody that thinks that LA...
Dude, the Lakers thing is as intense as any single fan base anywhere ever. It's a bad sports town, and I'll tell you why.
If you go to a bar, there's not a guarantee. Pick a bar.
There's not a guarantee they're showing a game. Yeah, that would drive me nuts.
How is that not – Like on a Saturday, you can't just – It's open and closed right there. Like a Saturday, you have to walk in and be like, you got college football in there? Like, what is it? Right.
All right, that's fine. But I'm just saying there's this belief that like no one cares about stuff out here.
No, they'll fight. Like Dodgers fans will fight you, obviously.
The Lakers thing is crazy. And half the Lakers thing is only Kobe.
I could argue that Kobe's relevance to this city, the connection, I'm trying to think. I guess you could say Jeter, but that doesn't feel as tight as the Kobe thing.
It feels like 1950s, like Mickey Mantle shit, where literally every kid that grew up in any borough, granted Brooklyn probably had some problems with it because he was losing the Dodgers, but now we're doing a little history lesson. And then Marvin Miller, so you guys didn't even get the joke.
That's how bad it was. I would put Kobe on whatever.
There's not five people in modern sports that are more connected the way a city loves them in kobe in la i'd agree with that um all right well ryan thank you for hosting us sorry it took sorry we went long that was fun it was about 45 minutes yeah half hour this is actually just the intro you want to do the ad and then we'll get to the show? Let's do seven parts. I love doing this.
I love talking to you guys. Do you guys have fun doing it? I have fun doing it.
I have fun doing it. We should do it more often.
Yes. And yeah, maybe do it on someone else's home turf at some point.
Let's fucking do it. I don't know.
Anytime you guys want us. What, are we complaining? But you guys had to come here? No, I'm just- No, I'm saying we do it don't we don't want to solely yeah well i'm in um all right ryan i have one last question do you are we friends or all of us do you consider us your friend question yeah probably just dan though that's fair but what about that what about the Rockets.
Lakers game. That was fair.
But what about that? What about the Rockets?

Lakers game.

That was bad.

I mean, that was a really bad.

They lost by like 20.

It was so bad.

They lost by 20.

And what I just did right there was a callback.

Yeah, it's a callback.

But I'm serious.

Like, this is going to be the easiest money you ever made.

Easiest money you ever.

Not many people gave out Mississippi State A&M, though. That's true.
Facts. Love you guys.
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Take me home.

I'll be gone in a day or two. So needless to say, I'm odds and ends.
But that's me, I'm stumbling away. learning that life is okay And say after me It's no better to be safe than sorry And take on me Take me on

I'll be gone

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You're shying away. I'll be coming for you anyway.
Take on me. Take me on.
I'll be gone In a day or two I'll be gone in a day or two

In a day or two Thank you so much.

Thank you, guys.

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