Life Episode 2 With Ryen Russillo & Mark Titus

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Speaker 2 Episode 2.

Speaker 2 Now in the street, there is violence.

Speaker 2 And then a lot of solid work to be done.

Speaker 2 No place to hang out or washing,

Speaker 2 and then I can't blame all of the sun. Oh no, we're gonna rock it down to Elite Strait Avenue,

Speaker 2 and then we'll take it higher.

Speaker 2 Oh, we're gonna rock it down to Elaine Strait Avenue. It's part of my take, there's another part of the sports.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 we're at Ryan Rossillo's house. It is Ryan Rossillo, Mark Titus, PFT, myself, Life Episode 2.

Speaker 1 The afterlife. The afterlife.
What happens when you die? No, we're back. It's been, I think, what, it was two and a half years ago.
Is it really? Yeah, because

Speaker 1 my son is two and a half. So I've had two kids in between, and we're back.

Speaker 1 How many kids do you have? Two.

Speaker 1 Oh, the way you phrase that, though. Two kids in between.

Speaker 1 Two kids in between. Well, it was before my son was born.
Although Ryan sends gifts to my son, not my daughter.

Speaker 1 He sent me LeBron's children's book. And I sent back a video of me just being like, we don't like this guy.
And then I sent him a 500-piece clear puzzle.

Speaker 2 It's like a clear jigsaw puzzle that you have to just feel your way into push.

Speaker 1 All the pieces are clear, and you just have to.

Speaker 2 That's actually a huge dickhead gift.

Speaker 1 Oh, he, he, I mean, again, he sent me the LeBron book and then this. Okay, but I also sent you cars.
Yes, that's true. That you didn't even know that I sent.

Speaker 1 I was like, hey, you playing with those cars? You're like, dude, he won't put them down. I was like, oh, that was from me.

Speaker 1 So I think I was a little resentful that I didn't get more props, not even from Big Cat, but more his son. Because he apparently liked the gift.

Speaker 1 So then after that, I was like, all right, I'm going to send him a little Ron book. Maybe there is a lesson in there for him.

Speaker 1 And then when I sent the clear puzzle of 500 pieces, even when after I said yes on the order, I was like, that was kind of a dick for me. It showed up for 20 bucks.
What's going on?

Speaker 2 I would hate that if somebody gave me a clear puzzle. Yeah.
Because I would try to do it.

Speaker 1 Right. You can't just throw it away.
You have to like do it. And then it's frustrating.

Speaker 1 You didn't even try. No, I think

Speaker 1 in the memo I put for you and your son to enjoy for days on end or something. I said it sat on my desk.
And then like a week later, Ryan was like, Did you like that gift?

Speaker 1 I was like, what are you talking about? And then he's like, it's a clear puzzle. And then I was like, oh, okay.
And then I threw it out.

Speaker 2 Can you clear something up?

Speaker 2 Because I've been secretly living in shame for the last probably two and a half years because you were telling somebody at the time, like when somebody is nine months pregnant, they're actually 10 months pregnant.

Speaker 2 Yes. And I pretended to be like, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 And this entire, like for the last two and a half years, I've been trying to do the math in my head and figure out how many months pregnant a woman is.

Speaker 1 It's like they get to like nine and a half, ten. It's like closer to ten than nine.

Speaker 2 Oh, I thought the whole time it was like the whole year zero thing.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. So you get that.
No, it's

Speaker 1 longer than you think. This is that bodybuilding forum.
Yeah, yeah. Right.

Speaker 1 But in Arizona, though,

Speaker 2 they don't change the time.

Speaker 1 They don't change the time. Yeah, it's true.
So it's eight and a half. All right.
So, yeah, we're back. We'll chop it up.
I don't think I've seen you guys since then, have we? Like in person?

Speaker 1 Well, you too. I saw you in New York at one point.
Yeah, you. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I was driving over here. I realized the pandemic.

Speaker 1 I haven't, frankly, I haven't seen anybody. Yeah, I mean, Titus and

Speaker 1 Brissel are like hardcore

Speaker 1 stay-in-the-house. Yeah.
COVID-scary guys.

Speaker 1 We've been living our life for a while now. And, you know, maybe

Speaker 1 everyone in Barstool got COVID. That might have had something to do with it.
I have natural. We all have

Speaker 1 natural immunity.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I got it twice within like a three-week span.

Speaker 1 There's a couple of guys that work there, their desks alone.

Speaker 2 I'll be like, all right, well, Ryan asked us to put on masks when we came in front of his house today.

Speaker 1 He said, fuck you, Lib. Hey, look, the mandate's 15th, you know?

Speaker 1 Every time someone's like, oh, so you guys went back to work really quickly, and I'm like, yeah. And literally everyone got COVID.
So

Speaker 1 kind of probably not the smartest, but we did that.

Speaker 2 We were actually like ahead of the curve a little bit because we said, well, we're in each other's quarantine bubble.

Speaker 2 It'll be fine because, you know, it's just us hanging out so we can can come into the office little did we realize that like three weeks later everybody else also had that exact same mentality but they were also coming to work too so now all of our bubbles overlapped we didn't really plan this out that well it was the dabo method just everyone get it yeah that's right

Speaker 1 all the bowl games we'll be able to play the bowl games no problem

Speaker 1 yes i mean have you noticed i mean basically once one league did it everybody else The NBA just was like, all right, we got it. Like 100 positive tests in one day.
I mean, the NFL playoffs. Right.

Speaker 1 The NFL playoffs, nothing.

Speaker 2 No, I think we should give more credit to the NFL for stopping COVID in its tracks.

Speaker 1 That's also another way to get the playoffs started.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to tip the cap to Omicron for respecting big games as well. That I noticed like college basketball teams were testing positive like crazy when it wasn't necessarily a big game.

Speaker 1 But then the college and college football bowls were getting canceled, but the playoffs weren't. Yeah.
And like the games that, you know, except for Michigan. Except for your guys's.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, that was bad as well. And Michigan ducked Michigan State.
Michigan did duck Michigan State. Yes.
Yeah. But yeah.
That was a big game. That's our COVID update.
Anyway, Michigan's amazing.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's the kind of program. That's the template, right? Harbaugh owns Ohio State.
We were just saying it before we started. That's a fact.
No, but if you say, like, what do I want?

Speaker 1 My, if I get hired tomorrow by Auburn, it's like, what do you want to do? I'm like, I want to be Michigan of the South. Right, exactly.
I want to be, I want to bully ball.

Speaker 2 You just run the football.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 How come you guys didn't think about stopping the run?

Speaker 1 This is, Dan, I was prepared for you and I to be on a team. Like, Big Ten.
We are, yeah. Big Ten versus versus Rosillo.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Rosillo doesn't, Rosillo, like, I swear to God, at the end of the college football season, he was like, listen, a healthy LSU could beat every team in the country.

Speaker 1 Came down a last play against.

Speaker 1 They were one quarter back away. They were starting a fucking wide receiver in their bowl game against Kansas State.

Speaker 1 But if you look at the recruiting, LSU should win this game.

Speaker 2 So actually, Ryan, I have a.

Speaker 1 That team this year will have 35 pros.

Speaker 2 I want to hear your thoughts because, you know, like we're probably the only bigger LSU fans than you are. No, that's true.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so I'm.

Speaker 1 They ask about you guys a lot. So I think they're done.
I think they're done with you guys now.

Speaker 2 There is some sneaky resentment that Riscilla holds towards us for loving LSU, but we're not going to apologize for loving LSU. What are your thoughts about Brian Kelly and his tenure there?

Speaker 2 Because right now I think

Speaker 2 we've swung over. We still love LSU, but I'm rooting a little bit harder for it to be an absolute train wreck.

Speaker 1 Brian Kelly there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Brian Kelly wins everywhere he goes. All right.
I mean, it's not even

Speaker 1 right.

Speaker 1 The dancing videos.

Speaker 1 That's not why I can't root for it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. You want to go ahead and fill us in?

Speaker 2 I'm just oh, I mean, he seems like, yeah, that just goes wherever the wind's blowing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No loyal.

Speaker 2 I'm talking about him bouncing around jobs. Yes, Brian.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right. Well, don't turn him into Todd Graham here.
I mean, you get offered eight figures to go to LSU. I mean, you know, what's he supposed to do?

Speaker 1 Um, I think Kelly's a winner, and I think he's going to have an awesome staff. I think there's always a little hesitancy when you're not from there.

Speaker 1 Whenever you're a guy that's not from the south and you're at one of the schools, like, kind of, you know, look, you could say the same thing about a lot of the schools down south, but it's just, it's almost like you get an extra year of being disappointed if you're from the area.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like Scott Frost rule.
Yeah. Scott Frost is Jim Harbaugh.
Like if you by the way, Nebraska was good. You were on that all year.
That was one of the best, worst record teams this year.

Speaker 1 The best three-win team I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 Every game they played within eight points. You were 30 for 30 on it.
It was crazy. Like, seriously, they

Speaker 1 they could have kept the semifinal closer than Michigan and Georgia. Wow.

Speaker 1 They could have been within.

Speaker 1 They probably would have played Georgia within like eight points. I swear to God.

Speaker 1 I swear to God. How would happen? I'm quite ready to go there.

Speaker 1 Especially when we're talking about Michigan being the model. God damn it.

Speaker 1 No, but that's Nebraska. Nebraska, though, what they sorry, and I'll shut up, but like Nebraska, that's when you're like, gambling's awesome.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because I figured out this team where they're getting too many points because I watch them every week and whatever. Anyway, you guys have more important stuff.

Speaker 1 No, I think, I think what just happened right there, by the way, is has been me every time I get out of my house is that like I get in front of somebody and I just like see my little window to talk about something because I haven't really socialized much.

Speaker 1 And then we just go nuts talking, like you just make one little comment about the Big Ten. And now we're going to go over every Big Ten school going over to their death chart.

Speaker 1 Purdue had a pretty nice season.

Speaker 1 You know, big win. Anyway,

Speaker 1 Purdue didn't screw around. Did you guys want to do a Big Ten recap?

Speaker 1 I'm ready to do it anytime you want. Indiana, I knew there were frauds.
So, what's the long, how many days, as long as you've gone without talking to a person, Titus?

Speaker 1 30 days, 40 days?

Speaker 1 Like, outside of my, like, not counting. Myself? I'm not counting FaceTime and yeah, and calling people.

Speaker 1 Oh, you had a girlfriend this whole time? I don't want to hear about that. Yeah, you don't know hard living.
It's not hard mode.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Rasillo like opened up his house and was like, welcome, welcome. This is a nice house.
I gotta say,

Speaker 1 I was wondering where my ringer salary went and to see it.

Speaker 1 It is a sight to behold to be here. It's actually a really nice house.

Speaker 2 I'm a little bit concerned with how clean it is.

Speaker 1 That to me isn't. What if this isn't my house? Yeah, that would be great.

Speaker 2 This actually does feel like an Airbnb that somebody set up ahead of time, with the exception of Ryan put up his storyboard from

Speaker 2 his latest screenplay, which he spent a long time working on. And we came in, we looked at it, and I was like, oh, you got a little four-act screenplay over here.

Speaker 2 And I started reading the actual notes on it. And I didn't want to be rude, but I was like, how the fuck does any of this make sense?

Speaker 2 And then we came back upstairs later and Ryan was like, I thought you guys would take a closer look.

Speaker 2 And then we realized it was a joke with just a bunch of notes down from the world's worst movie in pre-production. But yeah, this place does, it feels,

Speaker 2 it feels very clean to me, which is concerning because you spend a lot of time in here, apparently.

Speaker 1 I just hit a certain age where I go, I just sick of looking at stuff. You know, I don't want stuff around.
This Japanese minimalist is the inspiration behind the finishes here.

Speaker 1 Although a lot of the wood is Russian oak, reclaimed Russian oak.

Speaker 1 What is that age?

Speaker 1 The reclaimed Russian oak? No. Well, there's different various stages of Russian history.
Well, I'm actually. Cyrus Woods from many times.

Speaker 1 It's actually funny because it's like if we're going to, you know, hop into some life shit, it is very funny to, I think that you're past that age or were past that age a long time ago, but like when you hit that like 27 or 28 and you're like, I don't, I kind of don't want to live in a dump all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I remember I want to have the remote. It's about that age where I had a friend go, all right, well, what do you want to do? Do you want to game?

Speaker 1 And he goes, I don't want to watch a game at your house. It's always a shithole.
And I went, not wrong. Yeah.
He's not wrong. And, you know, I just always had stuff.

Speaker 1 There was always stuff on the couches. You know, when I grew up, I'm the oldest of five, our house was fucking trashed all the time.

Speaker 1 So like, if you have kids running around, your house is just just going to be a mess. So, like, I don't, you know, I don't know what it was.
I sort of used to it.

Speaker 1 I don't think I was a sloppy guy, Titus. Has has making money made it easier to get rid of stuff, though? Like, is that part of it?

Speaker 1 Like, when you're sitting here and you have no money, you're like, I can't get rid of this shirt that I wear once a year because I might need it again or something.

Speaker 1 And then, like, as you get older, you're just like, fuck it, I'll just buy a new one. And you just kind of don't need as much stuff.
Yeah. Do you have a pile though?

Speaker 1 Like, like, I have a, I mean, everyone knows him in our office. I have, we're hoarders because we get shit sent to us.
But I have, my house is very nice and neat.

Speaker 1 And then there's one closet that if you open it, it could fall. Like, I opened it once and like my son looked, like, was looking.
He's like, wait, what's in there?

Speaker 2 Like, like all these toys and all this shit that you've just been.

Speaker 1 Do you have that closet here? I do. I have a box.

Speaker 1 That's actually the life advice. You just got to find, you got to make enough money that you can have one closet with all your shit.

Speaker 1 I packed up a box when I moved from Burlington above the restaurant that I lived above. So when I started out on this career, this journey, it's like 20 years ago to like the month.

Speaker 1 I packed up this box that I have just moved every time. So I've moved it from Boston to Jersey to the Vineyard to Boston to Hartford to West Hartford to LA to, or to Malibu, to LA.

Speaker 1 And the thing is, I haven't opened it. And it's just a bunch of weird shit.
Can we open it? What's the book?

Speaker 1 Can we go open it?

Speaker 1 I don't even know what's in it. It's just, I was like, hey, I'll just put this, the weird shit will will be in here.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then I was like, you know, I haven't had a moment where I can like, hey, I want it. So maybe we'll do it.
Not tonight, though. No way.
But that is like the.

Speaker 2 I feel like if you open the box, you're like, you're way, there's something about breaking that seal. Like, you've gone all this time without.

Speaker 1 Like the ring? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I could just break down. I don't want that.
Ryan comes back. Yeah, I missed him.
2002, Ryan. I don't love his

Speaker 1 bank account, but I do miss that guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's definitely, there's a lot of times where I'm like, you know, especially like on the weekend when I'm, you know, doing a lot of parenting and I'm like, I miss the dude who can just go and get drunk at a bar at like noon.

Speaker 1 But then you don't really miss him. But you do.

Speaker 1 What is the biggest difference between having the two kids? Not emotionally, because like, I mean, your answer is going to be like, you know,

Speaker 1 I love more or whatever, blah, blah, blah. Who cares? That is the truth, though.

Speaker 1 That's one of those ones that, like, if you don't have kids, and I don't, I'm not shaming anyone, but like, when you do have a kid, you're like, oh, fuck, this is completely different than anything else.

Speaker 1 I have a dog. I get it, damn.

Speaker 1 It's a love you can't understand.

Speaker 1 What is the biggest difference day-to-day life or like the thing you've had to cut out that you didn't anticipate having to cut out? It's in having kids.

Speaker 1 It's like there's no, there's like very little time where I can just do nothing. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Like there's very, there's like maybe.

Speaker 1 It's like Friday night and then like maybe like an hour or two on like a weeknight where I can literally just do absolutely nothing. That's the part.

Speaker 1 Like where you can't like, I can't just like sleep till 11 and be like, I'm going to do nothing on Saturday. Yeah.
That's, I'd say that's the biggest time thing.

Speaker 2 But it's, you know, it is what it is, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Don't have kids. I actually think you should, but.
Who, me or all of us? Everybody. No, yes, yes.
Why'd I get a no?

Speaker 1 I just, I don't know. I feel like.

Speaker 1 I'd like to examine this a little further.

Speaker 2 I do feel like I might be on Team No Kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which is fine.

Speaker 2 I mean, i don't think i think it's for enough are you commit to it then i'm i don't think i'm ready to commit to it yet all right but i feel like team no kids is i don't know it's a selfish thing to say but i'm i'm completely open with the fact that i'm okay having no kids and i feel like my my biggest fear is that i'll get to the age of like 50 and 60 and be like i wish i had had kids earlier Yeah, not like like yeah, especially if you're in a wheelchair like really young.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, true, true.
I wish I had had kids earlier. And I had kids when I was 34.
Yeah, it's not that late.

Speaker 2 You start to do the math and you're like, oh, I'll be this age when they graduate from high school, this age when they get married. And then you're like, wow, that's pretty old.

Speaker 2 But then wait five years from now, that's going to be even older. And so I think about that, but I'm like, I don't, I really do not want kids right now.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't think any, yeah. I don't think you're ever ready, right? Like you're never, there's never a time when you say to yourself, or you're the one that's been through it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think there is a weird thing that like switched in my brain where I was for a very long time like, I don't want kids.

Speaker 1 And then like kind of right around like 33, 34, I was like, wait, I kind of do want kids. I mean, I definitely want kids.
I know that I want kids at some point in my life.

Speaker 1 I think that's, that's something I would like to do. But at no point, if you ask, like, right now, if even if I was happily married and whatever, I don't want kids right now.
Right.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to want them next year either. Like, every time you ask me, I'm going to be like, yeah, not really.

Speaker 1 It did kind of switch in my brain where it was like one day it was like, no, I don't really want kids. And the next I was like, actually, I kind of did.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I also think that, like, the internet does a terrible thing. Like, it's, it becomes like kind of cool to complain about your kids online.
Yeah. And it's like, that's so lame.

Speaker 1 I, I, I don't like to do that because I think it's just lame. And also someday your kids probably gonna read it.
And it's like, I, and I, and I also like to.

Speaker 1 You start deleting to, it's like when Russell Westbrook ends up on the rockets.

Speaker 1 Right. To be totally honest, though, like, I, it's fucking fun.
Like, it's actually like a ton of fun. And it's very different and it's hard, but it's fun.
so

Speaker 1 if there was a mistake and there was a child on the way for me i would be fuck yeah i'd be like okay yeah right you realize you you adapt very quickly yeah does that make us does that i'm with you pft that like i but does that make us cowardly that we we don't have it in us to just like dive well i got calm

Speaker 1 show we don't

Speaker 1 we we can't just like step up and be like all right let's take this challenge on we have to like let the challenge accidentally approach us and then we can handle it.

Speaker 2 It's interesting that you say that because I feel like that's how I've kind of stumbled into a lot of different things that I've done.

Speaker 2 I've like been forced into situations that I did not initially want to get into. Right.
And I'm like, okay, let's do this and make the best of it. And then I'm always really happy afterwards.
Right.

Speaker 2 So maybe it does, maybe it just takes like one night, one really strong swimmer, and that's it.

Speaker 1 I had, I remember the first time I thought I was going to have a kid. I was 21.
Ooh. Yeah.
I headed back to UVM for my senior senior year.

Speaker 1 And this older woman, fitness instructor, no big deal, she was like, I'm pregnant. And I was like, this is going to fuck up my senior year so bad.
Yeah, that would.

Speaker 1 That was definitely a time I wasn't ready. And it wasn't going to turn back on anytime soon.
And then, guess what?

Speaker 1 Magic of science.

Speaker 1 I think she was just fucking with me, seeing how I react. Pretty nasty.
That's actually a funny. Well, it wasn't funny for me at the time, but I remember being like, well, fuck.
Like,

Speaker 1 I guess, how am I going to do this i gotta come back to like this isn't gonna this is gonna like can i go out on thursdays still

Speaker 1 i'll cut off wednesdays right like will it be a custody thing because i'll definitely like not have 50 50.

Speaker 1 i'm 21 and in school and like we have a dog and there's six of us so the kid can't probably stay with us that much so um anyway you know look uh didn't happen and here we are so we should also acknowledge that we're having this this serious conversation ryan's wearing shorts that are what yeah like three inch inches these are five five but my thighs have been blown up this past year the shorts are short enough that you're like i don't want kids they're gross you know i didn't mean to sit next to you guys like this it is but there there's so much thigh right now i mean my thighs have definitely improved i don't know for a pft teardrop level but you know we're getting there

Speaker 2 how are your legs how are your legs my legs are not as good as so i spent like this last year or so just working on cardio And then in the last month, Billy's got me in the gym working out more. So

Speaker 2 the thighs are going to come back soon, but they're not where I'd want them to be.

Speaker 1 Those things are going to pop. How about you, Titus? You're all cars.
No, I... You're all cars.
I'm all cars.

Speaker 1 I'm wasting away. You're Callie.
And I'm curious your thoughts on this, Ryan.

Speaker 1 I strangely am not insecure about it because I

Speaker 1 don't look bad. You're just

Speaker 1 very, very thin.

Speaker 1 I have noodle arms. I have noodle.
Like, I'm fully aware of this, but I like it. I feel great.
I love.

Speaker 1 I love running. I love.

Speaker 1 I don't know. But then, like, part of me is like, like, if I was wearing five-inch inseams, I would, you know, it's, it's a disaster down there.
Be honest, how often do you take a look at fat titus?

Speaker 1 And you're like, oh, all the time. This is awesome.

Speaker 1 That's why, like, I don't want to, like, I'll go through phases where I also am like, I need to start lifting more. And

Speaker 1 I will lift hard for like a month. And then I look in the mirror and I'm like, uh-oh, it's happening again.
I'll live. I'm getting bigger again.

Speaker 1 I just, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, just from lifting or eating?

Speaker 1 Well, he's a beast when he lifts. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was the original Zion.

Speaker 1 He was the first person. Hey, you remember Zion?

Speaker 1 You remember him? Remember that guy? I think Priscilla said that he was his third best all time.

Speaker 1 No, I said he was my favorite single player to watch last season. Did set a record for points per 36.
Didn't know you were getting stats in this pot, but I got a few for you.

Speaker 1 What are his points per 36 this year?

Speaker 1 Zero. But he hasn't played yet, so it's actually.

Speaker 1 How much does he weigh?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Was it you who was like... No, no, someone was like, yeah, Zion,

Speaker 1 like, people were saying he was 300.

Speaker 1 And then some people were saying. And then, like,

Speaker 1 the Pelicans were correcting and being like, no, he's 280. It's like, but that's still

Speaker 1 very big.

Speaker 1 But that's not good. No, I mean, what I've heard about Zion is a lot like Titus.
You had to figure out a little later in life. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So you're doing strictly cardio now? Did you?

Speaker 1 I do basically, like, I

Speaker 1 back to the point was like, I, I, if I put on like three pounds, I start freaking out and I get PTSD from when I was like fat. And so I, I wish I had that.

Speaker 1 I, I just go, I, I stop lifting and I'm like, I'm getting too big and I'm not even getting big. I just like freak out.
So I just start running more.

Speaker 1 And I, I like it. I like the life I have, but I also realize, you know, I'm getting my ass kicked in any

Speaker 1 situation. That's okay.

Speaker 2 It would be very, very funny, though, if you got really fat, like all-time fat, to the point where you could go show up at pickup games and just look like a fuck.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'd be the last one picked and then get out there and start wetting things on them.

Speaker 1 Are you playing at all?

Speaker 1 I'm not. Where do you play? Up here.
It's hit or miss for me. You got to come up.
We'll figure it out. Because we had, I was asking

Speaker 1 Spencer Hawes is in the area. Yeah.
And I was like, do you want to come play? And he's like, do you really want me to come play with you guys? I'm like, I think he's like only still 30 and he's 6'10.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's crazy, too.

Speaker 1 Like the, I mean, you know, Mark, because you played with those guys, but like the pickup game I play in, there's this one guy who played in Europe, and it's like he just dunks on everyone.

Speaker 1 It's like not fun. My problem is-dude, what do you think? My problem with pickup is

Speaker 1 I'm at the perfect level where I can't enjoy it no matter what.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm better than everyone for the most part, but I'm not so good that I can do that where I could just like go out and dominate everybody. Like, he doesn't try and he just wins.

Speaker 1 But I'm good enough to where I get frustrated when no one, if no one knows how to play, people are losing

Speaker 1 about like, yeah, yeah, are you still just defense and like calling out screens and

Speaker 1 I'll go nuts?

Speaker 1 That's That's fair. But the flip side of that is

Speaker 1 usually like people that are in that position are then so good where they can just dominate. And I'm not good enough to like, you know.
But do you just do you still light it up?

Speaker 1 Like, how can you just not play for six months and go out and just rain?

Speaker 1 My ball handling will go. Ball handling is the first thing.
Ball handling is terrible.

Speaker 1 Cardio takes me a while. But shooting, yeah.
Like once I, if you give me like 10 minutes to warm up, yeah, like I'll, I'll, I'll just go nuts. Yeah.
I could. That's like a superpower.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's the coolest thing. That's this is right.
I'm almost going to leave my house. Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 He lives here now.

Speaker 2 From my perspective, back when I was playing ball when I was like 15,

Speaker 2 if I was shooting and my shot would hit like the left side of the rim, I would just compensate and start to aim for the right side of the rim.

Speaker 1 Like a sniper. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 So if you, it's like I'm playing the wind indoors. Like something's off about my shot.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 For you, if you're like, if you hit like the back rim a couple times, you're like, I'm going to start aiming for the front of the net, or you just like lock him at the actual basket itself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. You just, you just don't do that anymore.
I don't know. It's hard to describe.
Like, you just adjust. It's just a feel? I don't know.
Yeah, it's just a feel thing.

Speaker 1 It's all whenever I try to talk about it, it's like, well, you didn't play in any games anybody ever cared about. I'm like, yeah, but I still do understand.

Speaker 1 Like, my whole point about Steph is he's the greatest shooter because every single calibration of the release is like he's dialed it in that much.

Speaker 1 So if it's a floater and he has this amount of momentum going forward, then it's calibrated off of his hands. If his legs are strong, it's less out of his hands.

Speaker 1 If his legs are weak, he gives it more.

Speaker 1 And it's like, obviously, Titus knows what I'm talking about, but no one ever wants to listen to me talk about it, even though it's like, well, I have also shot a basketball.

Speaker 1 I don't know how many fucking times because it's probably the only thing I really enjoy. It's like, I mean, it's like watching Ray Allen.

Speaker 1 Like when you watch Ray Allen, it's every single time is the exact same time. And it's insane to watch because you're like, how do you, how does he do it every single time? He's exactly the same.

Speaker 1 You know what's crazy about Ray Allen, though?

Speaker 1 And I remember because I was working with the Celtics at the the time he came in and said i tweaked it a little he told donny marshall who was his boy from uconn yeah was the co-host of the show that we were on we were doing you know pre-half post hank knows and um

Speaker 1 he was like ray fucked with his release and i'm like come on ray like what and he's and he showed and he was like he had this little like final little like thing at the top of the release and it was even better because ray was like i tweaked it a little like a golf swing he goes wait until i see it now so it's actually your point is for the most part accurate.

Speaker 1 I just, if there are any huge Ray Allen fans, I think it's a good thing. Yeah, they're like, Oh, because he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Ryan, you're old.

Speaker 2 How come people didn't shoot three-pointers in the 90s?

Speaker 1 It was, you thought you needed to run everything through the posts. You know, honestly, this isn't really that different.

Speaker 1 I mean, Al Jefferson, I think, got 20 post touches a game in the NBA for a season not 10 years ago.

Speaker 1 So, I think, much like the shot clock, where they were like, Enough of this, we need a shot clock because guys are just icing the ball the entire time, Mike and years,

Speaker 1 bringing a shot clock. I think you should get rid of the three.
oh really love that let's see oh here we go that's the take i was waiting for so and do what get a four four yeah

Speaker 1 four

Speaker 1 it's hard to be psyched to be like now i don't have to cross half court as much it's very frustrating that everybody can shoot now like it when when i was my generation which i'm like steph's age and durant's age like like when when i was playing basketball i was a specialty i was like the reason i was on the i had value to like my au team that i was on was i was the shooter on the team.

Speaker 1 Everyone kind of had their own little role. Now, like if our AAU team was coming up, Greg Owen would be jab stepping and shooting threes.

Speaker 1 And they would have no purpose for me.

Speaker 1 Ah, Joe Harris got paid. Yeah, but Joe can do a lot of stuff, no offense.

Speaker 1 No, but you can still. I was kidding.
The three-point specialists are dying, is what I'm saying. I'm worried.

Speaker 1 I'm worried about the three-point specialists when you have guys like freaking Paolo, like all the guys in the Jabari Smith and Paolo and Chet Holmgren.

Speaker 1 You got guys that are that big that are are now yeah that's stupid how stupid they are how do we fix that how do we what about guys no I look the shot making that's what was always so stupid about these arguments like it's just so weird that we had a collection of like 20 guys that played in the same era just simultaneously shitting on every guy that played now like it was just the strangest thing like humans have evolved in every single way except we were supposed to believe that basketball players are going in the opposite direction because the shot making alone is crazy but the line like there's nights where i watch games like oh cool you guys are going to take 60 plus threes combined and it's just like you're not even doing anything.

Speaker 1 So, not to say that, like, cuts and elbow cuts and pinch post and all of this stuff are double post. Like, people would actually have two guys on the lower blocks and set up their offense.

Speaker 1 And that was crazy. That's also why the Warriors were so much fun because it wasn't, everyone thought it was just threes, but it was a lot of other stuff.

Speaker 1 And they also had two of the best three-point shooters of all time. And that whole run,

Speaker 1 if they weren't first in defense, they were second or third. And then the final year when they lost him, where he got hurt in 19, they had slipped a little bit.

Speaker 1 It's just become an NBA pod. I know.
There was a Wizards coach who went into the stands tonight. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 What? Some guy was talking shit to him. You know how DC is.
And he just turned around. He had it.

Speaker 1 He almost went like Steven Jackson, but I think Montres Harrell grabbed him and brought him to the back. So it didn't get, it didn't get ugly.
I'm just shocked, Dad.

Speaker 2 There was a fan in the stands in D.C.

Speaker 1 to go to the business. What age.

Speaker 1 Who's passionate about it?

Speaker 2 I'm passionately apathetic about the Wizards. I will not ever care about.
I can guarantee you I will not waste a second of my time worrying about the Washington Wizards. Well, you know what?

Speaker 1 A better question, though. What age should you stop saying,

Speaker 1 fuck you, loser, to pro athletes player in the game?

Speaker 1 That's a good life advice. Yeah.

Speaker 1 At what age should you take a step back?

Speaker 1 I think you don't lose it. I think you just internalize it better.
Like, I was...

Speaker 1 There was the UNC Louisville game last week where it was very much rigged and I had Louisville and I got very angry and I thought in my head I wonder what this ref's name is like I'd like to find out and they're like you know what no no no no no no no you're an adult you have two children chill out so I think

Speaker 1 you tweet about him I don't know I just had the thought connection

Speaker 1 nasty letter but that's the thing is I think you don't lose it you just know how to bottle it a little bit more the initial thought still enters the brain is how how you handle it after that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you don't have astaunces to your actions. Right.

Speaker 1 You learn how to be a sports fan where you can have a little bit of perspective where you're like, for 10 seconds, you can still get very upset, and then you can be like, you know what?

Speaker 1 This is stupid.

Speaker 2 It's also, it's weird to me to get mad at somebody who's younger than me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, the ref probably is older than me.

Speaker 2 Ref's older, so he's a fair target. But if I'm watching like a college game, I have a hard time getting mad at any of the players.

Speaker 1 You can't, I think the move is you have to get mad at the collective. It has to be the kids these days.
Or the coach.

Speaker 2 The culture of TikTok. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It can't be like individual people.
Like, life hack is:

Speaker 1 I just say they're just kids. And everyone knows that when I say they're just kids, it's I really fucking hate this kid.
I can't believe he blew this game.

Speaker 1 But you just say they're just kids, and it's good. Right.
Right. Just kids.
Right.

Speaker 2 You get mad at the system

Speaker 1 as you get older. Right.
No, but it is weird. People get mad at like college kids.
Like fucking. You can't get mad at college.
Have you ever sent anything to a recruit that turned down Wisconsin?

Speaker 1 I did slide into Caleb Williams DMs.

Speaker 1 Well, I did. I mean, what do you want me to say? I did.

Speaker 1 Did he respond? No, he didn't. He didn't.

Speaker 1 How long after you DM'd him did he commit to USC? It was about a week, week and a half. Yeah, yeah.
No, I was like, and I had some conversations with some people at Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 I was like, listen, if you know his people, like tell him,

Speaker 1 like, we'll make a t-shirt.

Speaker 1 And we'll sell it. And it will be sick.
Wait, so here's a question. Who would have made more in the NIL, Titus or PFT?

Speaker 2 That's a good question.

Speaker 2 Well, probably Titus because he'd be like, I'm not good at sports.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Titus would have cleaned up, dude. You would have cleaned up.
You had to get all this character. His t-shirts.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He would have made a t-shirt with Barstool. That was the Katie Nolan t-shirt that she wore.
Yes.

Speaker 1 You would have made a t-shirt with barstool and you would have sold, like, we'd made a hat with Wisconsin Safety that sold like, I think it was like $15,000 or $20,000. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 I'm happy for him.

Speaker 1 So $15,000 or $20,000 he'd made. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, no. But like go out in L.A.
seeing this guy's hat on. But those are like, you know, you would have.
I absolutely love it. When I was in school, you would have.
Yes.

Speaker 1 We made Club Trill shirts.

Speaker 1 We took the Run DMC logo and made the shirts. My buddy was like screwing around with graphic design.
And so his idea was like, we're just going to parody like iconic logos.

Speaker 1 So we started with Run DMC because it's the easiest one. It's red bars and then letters.
And then he just bailed on it. So that's why that became like the logo.
Yeah. I'm going to make a bunch.

Speaker 1 And he had all these ideas. He did one.
He quit. So that kind of became.
sounds like every college kid. Yes, like this is gonna be sick.
The runs are Zuckerberg over here. I had a buddy who made like

Speaker 1 probably about five grand off of just fuck Ohio State shirts.

Speaker 1 When we played Ohio State, we sold those shirts, Dan. I made, I think it was $55,000.
I couldn't keep it at all. Yeah.
I made my senior year at Ohio State.

Speaker 1 I made $55,000 that I had to donate to cherry. That was part of the deal.

Speaker 1 So there's this

Speaker 1 charity

Speaker 1 in Columbus. You kept a lot.
It's called A Kid Again. It's like a make-a-wish type deal.
You don't have to pretend steps. It's been a long time.
Make it most of your wish.

Speaker 1 I was going to say,

Speaker 1 so I give all the money to this charity. And the guy who runs the charity, every time I see him to this day, it's been like 10, 15 years now.
He thinks I'm like a saint.

Speaker 1 He thinks I'm like the nicest guy in the world because I gave him like $55,000. And I'm like, I cannot stress.

Speaker 1 I cannot stress enough. I would have kept all of that.
Yes, every single dive. Every single dive.
Wait, did you guys... I feel like you thought it was weird that I slid into Caleb Williams DMs.

Speaker 1 No, because you DM a lot of big, heavy hitters. Like, why, why wouldn't I? I just wanted to let him know.
I think it's fucking weird.

Speaker 2 Double psy right there. Yeah.
And then

Speaker 1 yes, it's a dangerous precedent. It's a dangerous precedent.
It's a, it's.

Speaker 1 To me, it's like, I don't know. I, if I have, if I can even change your mind by 1%, why wouldn't I, why wouldn't I try? What was your pitch?

Speaker 1 I was like, hey, dude, like, we could, you know, if you ever wanted to make merch, we, we, you know, with my push. And I was like, you come on our podcast.
Also, Madison is awesome.

Speaker 1 We still have the Call Our Daddy merch merch licensee, so we could maybe do some sort of thing. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I would have been mad at myself if he's like. Some crops.
Yeah, like, yeah, I guess I care too much.

Speaker 1 See, here's the thing. This is a way worse answer than the first one because I just always assume it's default to content.
No. Like, I think it's hilarious.
No, I want to

Speaker 1 be serious about trying to close the deal to Madison.

Speaker 1 I'm very realistic. I don't think Wisconsin will ever win a national title in basketball or football.
So if I could ever get... That's ridiculous to say in basketball, you're on the cusp of it.

Speaker 1 Like, it can happen. Yeah, and then Coach K fucking cheated.

Speaker 1 All right, but what I'm saying is that, like, when you're like to rule people out or rule teams or players, like, I don't like when somebody says, oh, this person's never going to win anything.

Speaker 1 No, that's the easiest thing to say because the math is in your favor that your point is going to be right. But when you're on the cusp of something, like, look how bad Auburn is right now.

Speaker 1 They played for two national titles in almost a decade plus. It doesn't, what is this rant about again? Anyway, the point is.
But that's you can't say never.

Speaker 1 You can't say never about Wisconsin basketball. I can say never if I don't try to get myself in the game game here.

Speaker 1 All right, I see what you're doing. I would love to be a booster.

Speaker 1 I would love to be a booster.

Speaker 2 When do you become a booster?

Speaker 1 I would drop bags if I could. I don't know how.
Yeah. I think Dockers come into play.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. If you got the cell phone on the belt on the outside of your pants, you're a booster.

Speaker 1 You've got to just take a bunch of like meetings in fucking hotels.

Speaker 1 I hear what you're saying that it could, if you could affect it. Even half a post.
But it's just i don't know

Speaker 1 about boosters i'm saying this is a guy

Speaker 1 i'm saying this is a guy i don't dm anybody like i think just i think like texting anybody is wrong yeah you are i mean you're a little anti-no one wants to hear from me at all so maybe i'm not the guy which is very wrong yeah

Speaker 1 yeah so i couldn't imagine doing that but you know you're different you you you you do to your credit you do slide into dms a lot of different people you still uh dm with durant that's probably the is that the most famous person you dm with uh i've given up DMing with him, yeah, because he just, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It feels like there's more on this.
No, he just doesn't, he doesn't, I don't think he wants to come on, so I've given up.

Speaker 2 I think you've become, we've become, as a podcast, too nice to Kevin.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're pro Durant.

Speaker 2 He used to actually hit Big Cat back way more frequently. Yeah.
Just shit on him all the time.

Speaker 1 I call him a big pack bitch. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then we changed our tune on Durant because, and I think we're being honest about it now, where it's, it's kind of relatable and endearing how much he's online and how good he is at right using now that he's taken all the a material that he was putting on his burners and he's using that just from his main account being like fuck you to people on twitter now we kind of like him i i also think like i

Speaker 1 i think that people not replying on twitter is weirder than people replying at this point like when

Speaker 1 like when i reply to someone they're like oh you're triggered it's like i'm on here like why wouldn't i engage i think it's weird for people to just tweet into the void and never respond to anyone.

Speaker 1 What

Speaker 1 you think that's weird too? Oh, I know you're talking about me. No, I'm not.
I never respond. No, I know, but I'm not talking about you.

Speaker 1 You have your own way, which I think is like that's your personality. I'm just saying, like, people, when Kevin Durant responds, everyone's like, oh, he's triggered.
Oh, you're too online too much.

Speaker 1 Like, I think it's like, no, dude, he likes to respond to people. You're right about that because here's the disconnect.

Speaker 1 It doesn't mean anybody's necessarily like wrong in it, but there's definitely a group that's wrong.

Speaker 1 Whatever it is that we we do, there's not a moment where we say something where it just, like it's always, there's always a thought.

Speaker 1 Like you could say the most inane thing ever, and then it's like, okay, well, here's a million reasons why you're wrong or you missed this point.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it's these fucking training wheels of opinions where it's like, no, no, here's what you need to do. When you do it every single day, like you're just going to be different.

Speaker 1 You're going to be different. Because like I know when I'm thinking about an argument that I want to make, I'm thinking about every single possible fucking angle.

Speaker 1 and it actually can make you worse at making your point because you're deflecting things that aren't even there yet but what I would ask anybody like if you actually knew what that was like if you knew what it was like you would never say to somebody oh you're triggered because you're like wait so the one time I decide like hey dude actually it's this and it that's that's the thing that always annoys the fuck out of me about it because you'd be like wait so I never say anything and then I said something and you think I'm over here fucking sad about it right like also I forgot like we should just say this right now Ryan has figured out a really smart life hack, which I know we'll get to some.

Speaker 1 If he ever wants to reply to someone, he'll just text me and be like, look at what this person said. And I'll just reply.

Speaker 1 Literally every time. He gets me in trouble all the time.
I'll just fucking reply and roast someone because he knows I can't stop myself.

Speaker 1 I do it all the time.

Speaker 1 Like, oh my God, you believe this one? And then, like, 30 seconds later, like, I reply. There was one, I mean, my favorite ever, the Florio content.
I sent one.

Speaker 1 It was, it was the Saban thing, and it was like the opposite. Like, Saban was basically saying, like, you guys really want us to do the NIL? Like, it hasn't been bad enough for you guys.
Right.

Speaker 1 All right. Rev the engines.
And then Florio is like, him making excuses for why he's going to lose. And I went to BigCat.
I was like, what the fuck is he talking about?

Speaker 1 And I just like, look, there's a notification that comes up. Big cat's like, or maybe the opposite.
It wasn't 60 seconds. Like, he may have done it before we'd hung up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you have the life hack there. All right, yeah.
You can just

Speaker 1 send me after people. I'm going to start doing it more.

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Speaker 1 All right, so what do we want to? Should we talk about something?

Speaker 1 We did post out being like, What do people want us to talk about? One of the replies was, when do you stop doing hard drugs? Which I thought was very funny for our audience.

Speaker 2 That's a very good question.

Speaker 2 When I know the answer, I'll let you know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Well, I mean,

Speaker 1 yeah, Ryan, do you want to take it like you should say, Ryan? Oh, is this what this was? We're not even taping right now. Yeah.
No, I don't know. I'm good.

Speaker 1 I was never super interested in it, so I don't. I don't know what to tell anybody on that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I just thought his response was very funny because it was like, I don't think we're the ones that should be

Speaker 1 giving you advice about that. Like, we should maybe see someone.
You know what I think is weird, though?

Speaker 1 Like, when they're handing out the dare t-shirts when you're in sixth grade and shit, and you're like, yeah. Signing contracts.
Like, no doubt. No doubt.

Speaker 1 And then you'll have like a buddy he's got three kids he's like i took stems on a tuesday and you're like what the is this what is this what happens

Speaker 1 so you know for any of the sixth graders listening don't you know like don't sign a contract yeah just wear the shirt but yeah you never know yeah the shirt's cool it's retro cool yeah that's it that's a good i go elsewhere for your drug advice that's what i'll say yeah don't do drugs though fentanyl's out there fentanyl's bad yeah if you're in the same room as fentanyl and you breathe it i know you guys are in l A this week.

Speaker 1 I'm worried about you.

Speaker 2 We actually don't do drugs.

Speaker 2 I got this label as being the drug guy on the podcast.

Speaker 1 I wonder why.

Speaker 1 It was probably after you did ecstasy in Hong Kong. It was MDMA.
And

Speaker 1 it was a form of protest. I think it was exactly after that.

Speaker 2 It was a form of protest against the CCP that was trying to exert foreign influence and violence.

Speaker 1 That video. Hong Kong's serenity.
How that didn't win an Emmy. I've watched that video with you and Donnie.

Speaker 1 More than 10, maybe less than 20 times. It's unbelievable.
Hey, Donnie. Hey, Donnie.
Yeah, Donnie. I got to be honest with you.
Hey, Donnie, Donnie, I got to be honest with you, man.

Speaker 2 I was on a different planet.

Speaker 1 Were you having fun? It looked like it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 It looked like I was having fun in retrospect, but all I remember during the actual feelings of the exit, excuse me, the MDMA was I was just like seeing stars everywhere.

Speaker 2 And then I would panic every like 30 seconds because I didn't know where my people were. And they were all next to me at the same time.
It was fun to do one time. I'll never do it again.

Speaker 2 I don't think I'm ever going to take MDMA again. It was one and done for me.
There we go.

Speaker 1 And then drug talk.

Speaker 1 I also

Speaker 1 felt like

Speaker 2 in the

Speaker 2 circumstance, I wanted to do it then because I was in a foreign country. So my brain told me, oh, you're overseas.
People do drugs overseas. It's like you're basically on vacation from laws.

Speaker 2 So I'll be fine.

Speaker 2 I thought I was in Amsterdam, pretty much. Turns out that the drug laws in Hong Kong are way more strict and severe than they are in the United States.
So

Speaker 2 that was a mistake on my part, but you live and you learn. I will never do ecstasy in Hong Kong again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, imagine seeing PFT in an episode of one of those Nat Geo shows.

Speaker 2 Oh, Locked Up Abroad.

Speaker 1 I love those shows.

Speaker 2 What does it say about me that I love watching shows where people are in like really bad trouble?

Speaker 1 Because you've avoided it. I have a buddy who's been arrested.
I think he had a DUI in every state in New England, and anytime cops would come on, he'd freak out. He'd like change of jail.

Speaker 1 We were just laughing about it the other day. Like, he couldn't watch cops.
Like, if it were on, we were counting out our tips and would come on at like three in the morning.

Speaker 1 He would just go over and go, like, just matter of fact, he couldn't handle the fucking flashing lights. He'd freak out.
Can't can't do it um all right so we do have hank

Speaker 1 so this is gonna air right before he has to give the speech but he's giving his first best man speech ever next weekend at his brother's wedding so he asked for some advice and i think i think we've all done it at least once a couple times ryan a couple times done it yeah yeah i have not you have not i have not

Speaker 2 everybody says i don't have any friends who i've done a few i've helped other people prepare for i'm I'm usually just like the guy that's in the wedding party that is just kind of there.

Speaker 2 Like, I'll help. I'll pitch in for stuff if they're planning something, but I've never had the response.
I do have a brother who got married last year, but it was during COVID.

Speaker 2 So I was going to be the best man then. He had just like a small, essentially like a courthouse ceremony of the two of them to get it over with and done.

Speaker 2 So I've never had the opportunity to give the speech, but I have, I did start to write the speech for it.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 By the way, you brought up a point. I've said it a million times, but it needs to be repeated.
The best

Speaker 1 friend zone you can be in is getting invited to the bachelor party, but not being in the wedding party.

Speaker 1 It's a tough way to sit in the spot. I've told friends I don't even, like, they'll be like, do you want to be in the wedding party?

Speaker 1 I'm like, not really, because it's like a shitload of pictures and stuff. Pictures, a lot of pictures.

Speaker 1 The rehearsal dinner, though, can be great. But

Speaker 1 you can get invited to the rehearsal dinner, even if you're not in the wedding party. I've done that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like there's that zone where it's like you're, if you can be like the seventh guy on a friend's depth chart, it's a great spot to win.

Speaker 2 I win. I was a first alternate for the wedding party.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they make you an usher?

Speaker 2 That's the best.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it was kind of crazy because I went in this weekend like,

Speaker 2 okay, this is going to be great. I'm going to be there.
I'm best friends with a lot of people that are in the party. It's going to be an awesome wedding.

Speaker 2 Then one of the groomsmen breaks his ankle and his fibula the night before.

Speaker 1 That's a good thing they had an ultimate. After the rehearsal.

Speaker 2 And then, so I'm sweating because I'm like, wait, am I, am I going to get the call to the to the show tomorrow? Is that going to be me? And then my buddy was like, I can do it.

Speaker 2 And he ended up just like, he was on crutches going down the aisle. What's a dick? With like a, with like a broken face and all this shit going down the aisle, like, I can still do this for my friend.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was great. Oh, man.
But it's, yeah, that's the spot though. If you can be invited to the bachelor party, but not have to be in the wedding party.

Speaker 1 What, uh, Hank, what, what, uh, um what what is the perception what is your perception amongst the i guess you don't have a microphone but like my my when i gave mine i i subverted expectations which is like i everyone in my family thinks i'm super famous because like i i have a blue check mark on twitter or whatever so like my family they had a good run

Speaker 1 there was like hype around the speech they're like mark does this for a living i'm sure the speech is going to be great this i'm sure i can't wait to hear his jokes all that kind of stuff and then i just kind of kept it straight and just said like nice things about my brother and kept it moving.

Speaker 1 And well, I saved his life, yeah, yeah, you did save his life. I saved his life, I really saved Mark's brothers.
So, like, what, what, what are, what is the expectation, Hank?

Speaker 1 I do think there is like an expectation for me to put on a show. I'm definitely like the outgoing one.
Yeah, always got in trouble and stuff.

Speaker 1 I feel like there will be some expectations similar to you, where you know, my family's expecting a show. So,

Speaker 1 wait a minute. Can I just a show? Sure.

Speaker 1 They're like, oh,

Speaker 1 this speech is coming. Like, something's coming.
No, I know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right. No, a similar spot that you've been in.

Speaker 1 The reverse is my brother's very shy, like,

Speaker 1 a little more guarded. If it was reverse, I don't think they would be.
I'm expecting a crazy speech. Yes.
No, Hank,

Speaker 1 you have a job, you have a lifestyle that you're like, you're in front of a camera sometimes and talking to microphones and stuff.

Speaker 1 So I think people go to a ton of weddings and you see people get up there that are nervous.

Speaker 1 So anytime it's a situation where you know someone might not be nervous to publicly speak, you're like, oh, thank God, this is not going to be the worst fucking speech I've ever heard. Yes.

Speaker 1 So then it kind of sets the expectation high yes people are expecting it yeah no you're you're absolutely right i so i have a couple high-level thoughts and you guys can go off of it but i already told hank i think this i think you have to keep it like five minutes or less i think anyone who goes longer than that is people don't you mean every woman yeah well i didn't say that you did yes i did say though to hank i was like i look

Speaker 2 science the science backs it up well that's true what ryan just said you got to remember that you're not the star of the show you got to remember that the stars of this show are actually

Speaker 2 the uh the bride's dad

Speaker 2 and then her maid of honor they're gonna go super long yeah you're probably gonna go on after the maid of honor your job is like people at that point are looking around like when can i go back to the bar yeah it's three to five minutes i the biggest thing though you can't have notes

Speaker 1 i think you have to speak from i i think the notes make you freaked out but you the guy who goes up with i've i've seen some really bad ones uh They got a nerve.

Speaker 2 They're not as seasoned as you are.

Speaker 1 There's one friend that's listening right now that's going to know exactly.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about his wedding, but he brought like cue cards, and it was he forgot to mention the bride, which you can't, you have to mention the bride, have to. But I think no notes is the way to go.

Speaker 1 I think you have to prepare notes and then don't use them. Correct.
Correct. But you have to.

Speaker 1 The worst thing you could possibly do is be the winged guy. No, you can't be the winged guy.
And that is an absolute disaster. So

Speaker 1 you can prepare the speech, but then don't, if you're up there reading notes. yeah, you you lose already because everyone's like, wait, you need notes for this?

Speaker 1 Like, you got to be, it's got to be because people will be like, oh, wow, you really spoke from the heart. It's like, well, I did practice it, but yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 I think it's a pretty simple formula for the most part. Yeah, Hank, go ahead.

Speaker 1 Is there a formula of like, you know, old anecdote from we were kids? Yes.

Speaker 1 Things taught me. Yeah.
Yes. Ride.

Speaker 1 He's a better person than me. That's usually a good one to be like, you know, like, I've always looked up to him.
Yes. Yeah.
And then then a bride.

Speaker 1 But, you know, he's out of it. Yeah.
No.

Speaker 1 Don't do the, don't, that's, don't do the bro. The one thing you can screw up, and a lot of people do it, is they do like the bride add-on at the end.

Speaker 1 They're like, everything I said about you, like, and it's your wife, too. Like, yeah.
You got to have a story about the bride.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the way to get around that is you, you talk, you find the things about your brother that you appreciate about him that you don't have.

Speaker 2 And then you can say, like, this is what I've always looked up to him for.

Speaker 2 And then at the end, well, then also include one story story about a time he got into trouble and then everybody will laugh at that and then not too much trouble yeah exactly you have to be careful now yeah you have to edit it a little bit you can't be like oh remember that time that he got busted with that hooker and acapulco

Speaker 2 you got to be like you remember that time where we you know we we were uh on a road trip together or something like that and you made the best play like joke around a little bit about stuff but don't make it too serious and then at the end uh say something about how she's so much better than he is.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Because that gets a laugh too, where it's like, I always thought that you'd marry well, but I had no idea that you would outkick your coverage by this far.
You know, like something nice.

Speaker 2 I hate jokes like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, that one's tough.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying, like, this is how you got to end it. Say that she's better than him a little bit.

Speaker 1 See,

Speaker 1 I think you have to add a story about her that doesn't, like, you can't.

Speaker 1 The mistake you can make is like, you say a poll speech, you do four and a half minutes, and then the last 10 seconds, you're like, oh, and also it goes for her. You have to have a story about her.

Speaker 1 What do you say, Ryan? Did he ever tell you a story about meeting her?

Speaker 1 There's got to be something in there about that he met her. There had to be a moment that he shared with you about how he cared for her.
Or just make it up. That's what I did for my brother.

Speaker 1 I also have a total zag because you said you wanted to give him a show and that your brother's quiet. Ooh, I like this.
It's a dying art ventriloquists.

Speaker 1 And you bring one out

Speaker 1 and you say it to your brother.

Speaker 1 And you talk to him and ask him questions and tell stories. And because he's shy, you don't even have have to be good at it because he doesn't want to talk.
He's in front of all these people.

Speaker 1 And that's how you play it off. You give your speech through a vantule quick dummy that you're not even using because your brother's shy.

Speaker 1 I got another one for you, Hank, that could bring the house down because your close personal friend, Tom Brady, has some time on his hands.

Speaker 2 Get him to give him a message.

Speaker 1 Play that.

Speaker 1 I do those for free, by the way. You do? Priscilla will do it for him.
Yeah, that's probably going to bum people out. But like when somebody asks me, somebody asks, I've been getting weird with them.

Speaker 1 Like somebody will ask me for a video on Instagram and be like, hey, so-and-so is whatever. And like the last one I did, I was like, you know, I was DMing Julie for about six months and I knew.

Speaker 1 And then I don't even know who the person is. So I don't know how they're going over right now.
But yeah,

Speaker 1 I did something, dude, when my brother was like, hey, I'm having a kid. And I remember the story I told was I was like, oh, no.

Speaker 1 And then he was like, no, I'm so happy to have my own family. And so that was the pivot.
I also did a little icebreaker. It's not the most original thing.
I was like,

Speaker 1 I just want for the next 45 minutes or so, take you on a journey of love and tell. And everybody was like, yeah, what?

Speaker 1 Well, most people were like, his fucking stories are long, if you ever heard his podcast.

Speaker 1 But that, that was a nice little, you know, a little, little public speaking thing there, a little jab joke, keep it moving. Homer says,

Speaker 1 it wasn't 45 minutes, was it?

Speaker 2 It probably ended up going 45 minutes.

Speaker 1 Because you could see a couple people's faces that didn't know me were like are you fucking kidding me

Speaker 2 but that's not even original you got it though yeah start with a joke and maybe a magic trick yeah you know any magic

Speaker 2 yeah you should do a magic trick do a card trick and no one nobody can pencil a card

Speaker 1 yes yes a flaming wallet what's going on i think hank is left more confused by all this he looks terrible keep it short no notes make sure you don't just add on the bride as an afterthought those are my big things you can also just plagiarize which would be be very easy to do.

Speaker 2 And it's not even really plagiarism if you like look up an old wedding toast and it's written down as like an old way. You can make it.

Speaker 1 Didn't Russell Wilson get with a Valentine?

Speaker 2 Oh, no, that was that was the greatest for Valentine's.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 He wrote, I think it was a tweet and an Instagram post

Speaker 2 to his wife.

Speaker 1 Because as we were talking about this, I was going to tell Hank, just whatever, watch him talk and do the opposite. And now I realize that he actually did.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, he just Googled how to describe a beautiful woman. Yeah, yeah

Speaker 2 and then he copied and pasted not even

Speaker 2 he didn't even go he didn't even click on the link on google he just copied and pasted from the description underneath the link on the first page and then he he pasted that onto twitter and that was that's perfect actually that's the best that's the most like complete russell wilson move of all time

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Speaker 1 All right. Yeah, we probably left him more confused.
Do we want to do our life hacks or did you want to do... I feel like we.
I don't even remember what we talked about in the first one.

Speaker 1 We did kind of like

Speaker 1 it was like has anything changed.

Speaker 1 What has changed between the can I start with that maybe? Like what

Speaker 1 I don't really remember all this.

Speaker 2 We make $50,000 a show more now than we did.

Speaker 1 That's cool.

Speaker 1 Do you feel

Speaker 1 in the last few years? Like, Dan, obviously, you having kids, you've probably undertaken the biggest change out of anyone here, but do we feel different from last time? Have we learned anything

Speaker 1 that were like,

Speaker 1 you know, I said this on the last show, but actually now that I, because I, I, I, I test you guys this today, that, like,

Speaker 1 it always trips me out that whenever I go back and look at something, um, you know, if I, I, something I wrote a year ago or two years ago or four years ago, or like the the time hop thing that's on like Facebook.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Every time you see what you put on Twitter or Facebook or whatever five years ago you're like that guy's a fucking loser right I was a loser I can do that with six months

Speaker 1 so but then what you the follow-up to that is then you say to yourself thank god i'm not a loser anymore but you know that like five years from now you're gonna look back on where you're at right now so i guess like as you think back on that part of your life where do you is there anything that's like fundamentally different that you're like i used to think this or i i don't know maybe not maybe the answer is no i don't know

Speaker 1 i do think that there's i've and maybe this is i don't know it's probably not COVID.

Speaker 1 It's probably just getting a little bit older, but there's definitely been more moments where I'm like, I kind of just hate the internet. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Where it's like, I really just, like, I wish I could just walk away from all of it.

Speaker 1 And that might just be having kids too. I don't know.
But it's definitely, it's gotten like less fun

Speaker 1 to be online at times. And it's like, I think of the times when I'm.
having the most fun online. It's like strictly sports or strictly like, you know, taking nothing really seriously.

Speaker 1 And then it's just like everything else is kind of a bummer. Yeah.
So I'd say that's the biggest thing that's changed probably in the last two years for me personally.

Speaker 2 I've been saying that I'm going to cut back on the internet a lot more.

Speaker 1 But it's our job. But it's tough.
You guys are in it too much. It is.
We're in it way too much.

Speaker 2 Like a lot of times I wish that I just could not look at my phone ever because I do feel myself looking at my phone way, way more than I should be.

Speaker 2 I've never even checked my screen time because I'm afraid of what it's going to be.

Speaker 1 You don't keep track of it?

Speaker 1 I'm cognizant of the fact that it's like too much, but it's also to be good at our jobs. Like we're...
Well, here's

Speaker 1 something that might be good to have a broader discussion on. It's like, you guys are obviously at a higher level than I am in this stupid industry we have.
And

Speaker 1 you've scratched and clawed your way to the top. And Ryan

Speaker 1 has told a story a million times about where he started and how he's got here and all this sort of stuff. How much of like your day-to-day,

Speaker 1 like now that you're, you're, you know, at the top of the mountain, so to speak, and we're at a beautiful house in Manhattan Beach and like you've kind of accomplished it, do you, do you, how much do you feel a change of like, we have to stay here?

Speaker 1 Or is it like, now I'm here, I can kind of like chill and I figured it out. Like, I, I'm so glad I, you know, I busted my ass to get here because now I can just kind of chill?

Speaker 1 Or is it like, like, is that what pulls you back to the internet?

Speaker 1 Is like, if we're not on the line at all times, there's going to be two shit shitheads that just got out of college that started a sports podcast. That's going to happen regardless.
I've been

Speaker 1 with that. Yeah, yeah.
Like that, that eventually,

Speaker 1 and I probably am like, you know, old at this point where it's like compared comparatively on the internet.

Speaker 1 I was actually thinking about this today in prep for this podcast because it's like, it's actually

Speaker 1 the thing that frustrates me the most with

Speaker 1 some of the people, not any names, and people are going to be like, oh, he's talking about Billy. I'm not talking about Billy, but because they all like, oh, he's definitely, definitely.

Speaker 1 No, no, we have a, we have an office of, we have an office of like 23-year-olds, right?

Speaker 1 And I think like, I want to someday just walk away from it all, but I also do have something in me where I get extreme satisfaction of like

Speaker 1 doing, like, working really hard and seeing the results, like the Berman interview that we did. Like, that was a lot of work and it came out great, and it felt awesome.

Speaker 1 And it's like, that's something that I just love. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, that, the act of going through the whole process of like getting a big interview, doing the interview, nailing it, having people enjoy it.

Speaker 1 I don't think I'll ever like be able to walk away from that feeling. And I also have to realize that not everyone has that feeling where they like

Speaker 1 love putting in like really hard work to try to get something that everyone loves. I don't know if that made any sense.
Did it?

Speaker 2 It does. Because I feel the same way when it comes to like seeing the results of something that you put a lot of work into.
That's probably the most rewarding part.

Speaker 2 There are two things that I really enjoy.

Speaker 2 One is the feeling when I know that we are doing something that like in the moment, I can get an energy off of and the afterglow from that, just the act of creating it is number one for me.

Speaker 2 And then seeing other people appreciate it,

Speaker 2 that it's a natural like reward system where it motivates me to try to chase that high a little bit.

Speaker 2 But the problem with that is if you truly are chasing that, if you're chasing anything really, then you can find yourself in a weird position where you're not doing something sometimes where it's because you want to be doing it or are you really feeling it in the moment it's because you're still chasing you know motivation's not internal it's not internal it's external from something else yeah um but you know like you try to minimize those situations or minimize those situations but uh yeah it has it all has to like come organically as long as that's still happening then i can't think of like anything else I would ever rather be like I was telling somebody the other day like if I had gotten to choose what my job job was when I was 21 years old,

Speaker 2 I would say exactly what I'm doing right now. Like,

Speaker 2 probably nothing would be different at all.

Speaker 2 When people say dream job, like, this is beyond anything that I could have even thought of at that point to be a dream job.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What are you going to say, Ryan?

Speaker 1 I'm not going to rest until I beat you two idiots.

Speaker 2 Well, that's the thing is, like, there will be, there will be young people that come along.

Speaker 1 What Big Cat just said, though, like, that's the scary thing is like, you're,

Speaker 1 and I, And I mean this because you guys know how much I like you. Your run's insane.
Your run's insane.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's like, you know, you have those moments to be like, well, how long is the run? Right. For me,

Speaker 1 you know, we've been over it because we're friends. But like, I go, I was at ESPN for almost 15 years.

Speaker 1 And the entire time, especially towards the end, I was like, wait, I'm actually doing like really well by any measurable metric. I was like, yeah,

Speaker 1 you're not really a star. And then I leave without any any real understanding of like, I'm sure I'll do okay, but I didn't know what was going to happen.
And things have gone way better for me.

Speaker 1 But then I'll see something where there's like a list of the top 20 sports podcasts. And I go, are you fucking kidding me? Well, they leave us off for other reasons.
Right.

Speaker 1 But when somebody isn't biased ahead of time, they pick you or they pick Bill, which is totally understandable because you guys are, you know, at the top. But you're not the best.

Speaker 1 No, no, but. But McDonald's isn't the best restaurant.

Speaker 1 I don't

Speaker 1 know. I'll see a profile.
I'll actually kill you if you eat too much of it. I'll hear about something, and I just can't ever sit back and,

Speaker 1 you know, sure, I should be able to say, all right, I'm this age. I can look outside at the ocean, and all that stuff's going to be fine.

Speaker 1 And there'll be something that happens usually once a week with me where I'm like, nope, fuck that. And I just want to work even harder because I don't feel like, again, this is a little different.

Speaker 1 I don't ever feel like I've peaked. You know, I don't think I've ever had that moment where people are like, oh, you know, who's actually fucking really, really good at what he does?

Speaker 1 Where even if you feel like people on the internet hate you guys, it's pretty understood in the industry you guys have been monsters for a long time.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I mean, we, I mean, obviously, the hate thing, that that took a while for me to get over, like, being like, people just despise us no matter what.

Speaker 1 Where do you think it's at now from where you started to where it is now? It's way worse, but it's also, I've gotten way more. What's way worse? You're way

Speaker 1 You're hated more? The barstool. Oh, barstool.
You're talking about it. Yeah, and I.
Well, I hate barstool, but I love PMT.

Speaker 1 And you love the dozen and chicklets.

Speaker 1 And Caleb's cool. Love him.

Speaker 1 No, but I... But bars.

Speaker 1 Or like barstool.

Speaker 1 It used to affect me really bad.

Speaker 1 But now, I don't know. You just get to a point where I think maybe it's just...

Speaker 1 If you don't get numb to it, then you'd be shattered. Right, exactly.
It would ruin me forever. And also, I think this is where you can use the crutch of like kids.

Speaker 1 And I know that sounds cliche, but like there will be times where like the world will come at Barstool and I'd be like,

Speaker 1 I got to fucking put my, I got to do bath time with my son. Yeah.
He doesn't want to fucking.

Speaker 1 Do kids, like, I meant to ask this earlier because we were talking about whether we want to have kids or not.

Speaker 1 One reason I have always wanted to have kids and I will always think I want to have kids is that I think they'll help me chill out, which sounds insane because

Speaker 1 your life becomes more hectic dealing with them. But kind of what you just said, where you just kind of reassess your priorities and you're like, oh, this 14-year-old I'm fighting with on Twitter

Speaker 1 about James Harden is not actually that important.

Speaker 1 It's actually a weird

Speaker 1 way to look at it, though, because it's big picture, I'm a lot more chill. Little picture, I'm probably harder to deal because I have less sleep.
Yeah. My schedule is crazy, and I know that.

Speaker 1 And I know like Hank and PFT and like all in Liam, like my schedule has to be, like, is a little bit harder to deal with, which sucks.

Speaker 1 But like, yeah, big picture, it's a lot more like, do I really, like, do I really care about this? No. But I actually wanted to bring up one other thing that has changed in the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 And I think this is something that like 20-year-old to maybe 25, 27 are probably listening.

Speaker 1 I like have reached a point where I think it's cool to care about some things like a lot. And I know we're talking about like being sports fans, like it's irrational.
It's stupid.

Speaker 1 I think we're talking about DM in high school kids. Yeah, well, no, he's in college, Ryan.

Speaker 1 He's been in college for a year. My bad.
So, wrong. Would never DM a high school kid,

Speaker 1 unless he was a five-star. Um,

Speaker 1 and he was cornerbacked. Did you say the R word?

Speaker 2 You say Rico?

Speaker 1 No, he reclassified. Oh, I thought you said Rico.
I think there's like a feeling where it's not. Is that the guy that threw the fucking can at that?

Speaker 1 We don't want to get Hank going. Jesus.
I think there's a level of like when you're younger.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait, you actually don't know Rico?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he does.

Speaker 2 You're not playing dumb, are you?

Speaker 1 No, he knows.

Speaker 1 I lost track of what was happening because at first I was like, wait, that guy was that mad.

Speaker 1 I've gotten mad at work, but I go hide.

Speaker 1 There's been times when Ryan and I have talked and I've been like, dude, you'd be awesome if partial. He's like, yeah, but like I'd show up and like.

Speaker 1 Some guy would throw a can in my head.

Speaker 1 Or like some guy would fucking just hammer in my face and start fucking like busting my balls. I think I would lose it.
I'm like, yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 I have a buddy that every time some shit like that happens will text me and just say, how would you respond to that?

Speaker 1 It's a fucking weird world.

Speaker 1 But back to what I was saying, like, I... That can just miss my head.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 my initial ruling was, did you see my initial ruling on that? I thought it was the worst traditional ruling ever. I go fucking judge you so much.

Speaker 2 That's what I love about Big T is because he's kind of like you are sometimes where he, like, your imaginary self working at barstool where you just like have moments where you're like what the fuck is going on like that's what big t was like

Speaker 2 he's like i'm i'm at my job at my computer and someone just assaulted me

Speaker 1 i said something this psychopath

Speaker 1 yeah that was a bad that was a bad initial ruling i took it back but i was just

Speaker 1 you were quick to get another you were you're altered angle

Speaker 1 the director

Speaker 1 i was i really i literally was like dude it didn't hit you what do you want me to do that was the parent in me where it's like, listen, I can't fucking. You parented up quick.
Yeah, I was like,

Speaker 1 if you don't hit your sister, like, I can't. That's another thing.
If you have kids and other guys almost assault or break the cranial area of a co-worker, you're just like, hey, guys.

Speaker 1 That's what I said. I was like,

Speaker 1 let's chill out. I think I said everyone chill out, even though it's like one of them almost got assaulted.
But either, either here nor there.

Speaker 1 There is like a level when you're in your 20s and you think it's cool to just not care about anything, but it's it's like getting to a point where it's like, no, there's some things I really care about, and I really like, I am passionate about.

Speaker 1 There's some things I don't care about, and I'll tell you when I don't care about it. But having that like

Speaker 1 self-confidence to be like, I care about this. When it doesn't go the way I want it to go, it's going to affect me.
Just being open about that. Right.
You know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like when Caleb Williams goes to USC, I fucking cried. Whatever.

Speaker 2 I think in a similar vein for me, and it's not so much that I used to like pretend to not care about stuff. There would be things that I just wouldn't like, and I'd be like, oh, that's not cool.

Speaker 2 Like, stuff that I would actually kind of hate. Yes.
You know, and a good example, actually, funnily enough, on this podcast, I was like, I hated Drake. I would just be open with how Drake is.

Speaker 2 And we were like, dude, why? And every, and like, I was very mad that Drake was popular because I didn't like his music. And then I started to listen to it a little bit.
And I was like,

Speaker 2 why do I hate this person? Like, why is this affecting me that much? Why is it something that other people get joy out of

Speaker 2 making me feel angry at that thing? And I think a lot of people, including myself at times still, like make things that they don't like part of their personality.

Speaker 2 I think the more that you have that inside you,

Speaker 2 the less happy you will be with the rest of the stuff that you do actually like.

Speaker 1 Totally. So it's more about accepting the fact that people like things.

Speaker 2 and let them enjoy things that they like.

Speaker 1 When

Speaker 1 was it Joe who left Impractical Jokers? Yeah.

Speaker 1 and everyone was broken up about it and i used to like clown on it's like wait why am i why am i making fun of people who like impractical jokers if they if they get like if they laugh about it and they like it what the fuck do i like impractical jokers yeah like what do i care but you know what i mean like there's that

Speaker 1 impractical jokers won me because i i i left the i left the tvs on true tv you know on march madness right i i you watched college the remote was over on the other side of the the the world and then i just like it was not funny for the first like five episodes and then they slowly slowly won me over.

Speaker 1 So, it is

Speaker 1 what PFT is talking about. I completely agree with like you know, where you're like, I, why do I, why am I looking down on something if it brings other people joy? Yeah, it makes no sense.

Speaker 1 You're just being a fucking asshole.

Speaker 2 And I realized that it was like it would make me feel better about myself. Right.
If there's something that people like that's actually not very good, right?

Speaker 2 I know that me personally, I know they shouldn't be liked. So, it was like, it was a thing where I was able to think that I was better than other people because their tastes were different than mine.

Speaker 2 And once you accept, once you realize what's going on, you're just happier about most other things in general.

Speaker 2 Now, I still have that, like, there's still times where I find myself falling into that a little bit. I have to remind myself a little bit.
And there are also still times when it's funny.

Speaker 1 Some stuff sucks, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's just fun to point out that things suck.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Network sitcoms.

Speaker 1 I mean, people like Big Bang Theory.

Speaker 1 Well, Young Sheldon's terrific, don't get me wrong. But, you know,

Speaker 1 there's certain shows, but it's kind of like the way. But you're a writer, so you see it differently.
Yeah, I mean, I'm like, where is this going? Oh, that was the layup.

Speaker 1 I think about the bowl game thing. Like when people get mad about all the extra bowl games, there's way too many bowl games.
Don't watch it. Who gives you a shit? Oh, I know.

Speaker 1 I've definitely tried because I think, you know, when you're younger, a lot of the stuff that you're going through when you're younger is kind of like your own insecurity.

Speaker 1 And I always try to remind this to like people.

Speaker 1 It's like, hey, just remember, like, the other person you're talking to and all the insecurities you have about yourself, pretty good chance they have just as many.

Speaker 1 So just, you know, go up and talk to the hot girl. Right.
You know, there's a moment where she doubts herself, and maybe that's that night. Yeah.
You know, and who knows?

Speaker 1 Um, but I think it's like a good rule to kind of operate with where you're like, you know, just remember, like the stuff that you second-guess yourself, you're not the only one doing literally everybody else.

Speaker 1 And even though they're trying as hard as they can to project that they're not having any of those things, just like you do, just admit that, like, all right, this guy's probably got some weak spots.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 1 It's absolutely so.

Speaker 2 Ryan, you're right, but I also love that

Speaker 2 the statement boils down to like, you can fuck a really hot chick if if you try

Speaker 1 don't give up on yourself that's a little aggressive pft i meant you know relationship authority no but that's family what you're saying it links into what pft said and what i'm saying about caring like a lot of times you when you're younger you're like i don't care about this or this is it's cool to not

Speaker 1 yeah because you don't want to open yourself up to have someone be like oh you like that yeah look it's the same thing too as you know where i where i went to school you know it's vermont smaller school for whatever reason you know there's a ton of boston guys,

Speaker 1 a ton of Fairfield County guys. And then we'd always be like, why are you here when you're from Arizona? But

Speaker 1 all we did was make fun of each other. That's all we did.

Speaker 1 So like the only way you could keep up, not that this is like, oh, wow, that was the college where college guys made fun of each other all the time.

Speaker 1 But like, I remember carrying it into our 20s and I would just be like ripping on everybody all the time. And then you're like, wait, you know, who's probably not a great time to hang out with?

Speaker 1 A guy who makes fun of everybody for everything. And it wasn't, I don't know if what it was, it was just what I was used to.
Right.

Speaker 1 right i remember talking to my buddies being like hey do you have like weird moments at work and a couple of guys are like oh my god like i had to stop doing that a couple years ago like i almost got fired and what i'd say is that there are these moments you know like when you're in your 20 and you think you have like this is a bigger thing like i'll use the hangover theory on this one like when you're hungover you know big night with the boys and it goes away like on tuesday it goes away right it goes away it doesn't feel like it's going to go away and you're like should i take a foreign language you know maybe i finally learned an instrument this year i'll get back on the dating apps.

Speaker 1 You know, I need to change things up. And then by Tuesday, you're like, what a fucking weirdo I was for 36 hours.
Right.

Speaker 1 What was that? Right.

Speaker 1 Did you write a poem or something, you fucking weirdo? Yeah. So it goes away.

Speaker 1 I'd say that you can expand life out that way because all of these little moments, all these little things, and I think this is, you know, we're all kind of around the age.

Speaker 1 And obviously I'm older than you guys, but you start to learn like almost none of it ever fucking mattered. None of it.
That all of it kind of goes away.

Speaker 1 And that's the one thing that I still try to, now that I know that, when I'm dealing with something in the moment, you're like, you know, this is going to mean almost nothing like this is going to be completely insignificant and even though you're consumed by it today

Speaker 1 you know that later on this will have meant fucking dick yep and it's hard to learn that until you go through it enough but I would just keep hammering it over and over again like as you're aging as you're getting a bit older it's a great feeling when you start to be like hey and I want to be an asshole to everybody but I also am like not going to worry about this stuff as much because it's not as significant on the path of the bigger stuff yeah the world keeps on when you realize the world keeps on moving it's a freeing thought.

Speaker 1 And you're like, oh, this is not the end. Yeah, not everybody is thinking about me.
Nobody really cares. I mean, obviously, your podcast.

Speaker 2 A lot of guys talk about you guys, but there definitely have been big moments from you that have meant something in the long term.

Speaker 2 Like when you look back on it, maybe all the little stuff that you were super consumed about in the time ended up just passing by.

Speaker 2 Well, that's when the stuff that's actually important is how does that feel different to you in the moment? Are you all consumed by it? Are you anxious about it? Like the big decisions that you made.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, I'm weird with the big big decision stuff i almost like welcome the the

Speaker 1 like hey this is a huge moment and you're about to make some decision and this is like a big deal and i almost get energized by it absolutely i'm the opposite of like i almost look forward to these moments where i'm like but i think back to what titus was saying is you know the the biggest thing that i've always struggled with anybody wants to get into the business of the cool stuff is that i'm always afraid if i'm not wired this way am i going to suck at my job and then i'm not going to want to like like look i drove back from vegas last night i woke up at 5 a.m this morning started writing out opens and fucking looking up usage stats of the highest 20 seasons and it's 7 a.m and i got a green juice going and i'm doing this shit because i just i'm afraid if i ever have the mentality of not caring about things then i'll suck at my job it'll be over so i guess i'm just tortured there titus no but i i think you're like you you might beat yourself up on it but like you like that is why people want to listen to you because i think you

Speaker 1 and this is now us just complimenting each other but

Speaker 1 like people listen to you ryan because they're like you know that he does the homework and he actually like he thinks about i i've always admired that you're always thinking about like the big picture on a take or uh like whatever a player whatever it is and not just saying like knee-jerk this guy sucks or this guy's awesome or this is yeah if i say something there's there's a bunch of reasons why whereas we say shit just to say it

Speaker 1 you guys are way smarter at it actually if you think about the job i say shit all the time i think we just say it we do some i mean we do prep for the show we do

Speaker 1 every now and then

Speaker 1 occasionally we will but it's showing tonight i think it's really showing tonight and how this is going no our prep our prep for tonight

Speaker 2 our prep for tonight was literally on the way over we just remembered that hank has to give a best man yeah we're like and then we started to talk about we're like no don't say another word

Speaker 2 but uh like sometimes we do get into the like role of the show and we'll just throw a bunch of shit at the wall right and then eventually one of those will stick and somebody be like, You guys totally called this.

Speaker 2 It's like, we also said 20 things that were the most wrong thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
So many wrong things.

Speaker 1 I got to get better. That's also something I wait a minute.
Picking stuff? Because here's the other. The other secret.
I'm 200 game of the years. Right, I know that.

Speaker 1 But the other secret is like when you have an opinion on literally every player, every quarterback, the top 100 NBA guys, like it's like we're going to be wrong all the time.

Speaker 1 You also have to kind of get past that.

Speaker 1 What I have, what I was going to say is, I have to get past is like people

Speaker 1 hear what they want to hear. So trying to correct like what like people will be like, oh, you don't like my team.
It's like, dude, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Like Bengals fans thought I didn't like the Bengals because I bet against them, like with the, I bet on them against the Raiders and against them with the Titans and the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 And they're like, you don't really, it's like, dude, we talk about Joe Burrow like. like we love the guy.
They also went 10 and 7. Right, exactly.
So, but, but that's

Speaker 1 I have to like check myself being like, these people are just listening for what they want to listen to. They hear one thing and they're like, oh, you hate us.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I got to remember, like, people are just very biased when they listen to something and to not be upset when people are like, oh, you're so unfair to our team.

Speaker 1 And I am unfair to some teams. Right, but you're not.
Aaron Rodge did a loser. Before I was in the business, I thought Joe Buck sucked.
I was like, this guy, you know

Speaker 1 every fucking time, Yankees. And then I got in the business.
I was like, oh, my God. Joe Buck's amazing.
Yeah. Like, I'm in the best.
So when guys lose their shit, I'm like, yeah, well, whatever.

Speaker 1 I did the same thing in my early 20s. But we were right about Romo.

Speaker 1 You're Romo stock.

Speaker 1 Banks have been worried about covering your short position on Romo.

Speaker 1 Hank PFT and I put ourselves on the line with our Romo.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's as bad as you say. He's not as bad as we say, but he's also gone closer to us than the other way.

Speaker 2 You also have to understand that a lot of our takes are not just based on the thing themselves, but it's based on other people's reaction to that thing. Right.

Speaker 1 So we're just who you're talking to. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 They're the pendulum that's

Speaker 1 Explain this process. Okay.
All right. So you build a straw man and then you just say, no, see, that's bullshit.

Speaker 1 I hate when somebody's it because I'll just be like, I have to see it from real people before I go. Sometimes I think that I am your straw man.
Yeah. I'm like, you know, that's good.

Speaker 1 Ryan, tell me, like, when you want to go on a rant, tell me what to tweet, and I'll tweet it. Yeah, no.
And then

Speaker 1 we can be the straw man for you. So you can be like, I see these clowns out here saying this.

Speaker 1 No, but

Speaker 1 us saying it for you. Dude, Ryan.
I'm throwing you the alley. Ryan and I will disagree sometimes on sports.
And

Speaker 1 friends do. I just share it with the world.
And then he goes on his show. I'm like, Cliff Kingsbury.

Speaker 1 We very much disagreed on Cliff Kingsbury. And he'll do like an open.
I'll be like, I got that. That was just me.
That was me. Because we were texting about that yesterday.

Speaker 1 I've gotten three, I think, monologues out of Big Cat and I texting about Kingsbury this year. So that's good.

Speaker 1 And then I think one time I was arguing with Chris and Chris was like, you know, you're not on with Big Cat right now.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, that's fair. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 That's what many people are saying.

Speaker 1 Oh, we argued about golf, too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We argued about golf. Yeah.
How did that go? Anyway, but

Speaker 1 the Lions won more games than we thought.

Speaker 1 So to sum it up, you don't think you can chill out. You don't think you have that in you that like, because Dan said that, like, the reason people listen to you is do your homework.

Speaker 1 If I'm being completely honest, that might be true for some people. I feel like that's mostly bullshit.
People listen to you because they love you and they just love you. Oh, yeah, no, that too.

Speaker 1 Like, but if Prasillo didn't watch any basketball, which we know there are a lot of people in sports media that do not watch sports. Mostly morning shows.
Yeah, there's a reason why life advice.

Speaker 1 And he just fucking ripped on whatever he wanted. People would still listen.
They would still love it. So what is, like...

Speaker 1 Do you think, Ryan, there'll ever be a point in your life where that will click with you where you're like, I could just go to the beach and

Speaker 1 chill all day and then turn on the microphone and just talk about literally whatever the fuck I want. And I will have an audience.

Speaker 1 I will pay the bills why don't i just do that do you think you can ever like question get to that point where he's right like you're the homework part i like because i just love sports but he but

Speaker 1 the life advice is is incredible and that's ryan just talking why put yourself through that hell when you don't have to and you could just you know well hell's excessive but yeah i'll drive myself crazy about it yeah sure i mean i'll have nights where i like go don't sit here tonight and then it's five and a half hours later and i've taken notes and i'm like you didn't need to watch any of these games there was a Monday and

Speaker 1 there was a Monday night where nobody played the other week like 20 of the guys were missing all the best players and I go you didn't need to watch this tonight you didn't need to do this uh I don't know man I don't you know I obviously have some other interests and I like you know again we're all getting being really nice to each other here so I appreciate you saying that and I think the truth I think it's true yeah well Vin Pelt and I were talking about it you know when we did the radio show together we were both like okay we know more than everybody I mean that was the way we went into it like we're going to to show everybody how much we know and what i learned too late was that i was like nobody really cares if you know if a guy hang out with you yeah they don't care if you're a three or four star think about that like radio they're making an investment you know depending on what the listening habits are but that's 15 hours a week where you're out there and people want to and once we went to year three right was year three started i remember i was like hey we need to fuck around more.

Speaker 1 We need to talk about stuff.

Speaker 1 Like when you go to Chipotle and guys take pictures of you and you get weird and take a picture of them back and say, I have one of you now too, which I think is sort of aggressive, but I get where you're coming from because everybody treats Van Pelt like a fucking pink zebra at the zoo or something.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 1 I was like, we need to do that stuff all the time. And we could see a massive pivot, both in audience growth and then just the way people would interact.

Speaker 1 And it didn't matter if we had the best sports opinions and we were the guys watching every game. I can still never do it without watching the games because I remember when I was...

Speaker 1 Before I was in this and I watched everything, I could tell immediately the guys that didn't watch games.

Speaker 1 And I had no respect for them I actually were mad that they had the job they had it's like no if you have that job you owe it to the people to be on top of everything that happens especially in local market like when I would hear guys and be like again I was obsessed right like it wasn't a 2-1 slider you dick you know I'd be in the car

Speaker 1 and I was serious man I'd be like fuck this guy

Speaker 1 and and I was like if I ever have that job and again I wanted to work in a front office I didn't want to be on the air and it just happened with a minor league thing where they were like you know do you want to sell tickets and I was like no I don't want to sell tickets.

Speaker 1 I'm 26. I got a degree from a school.
I'm broke. Like, I need a job.
And they were like, well, you can call the middle innings. And I was like, wait, what? Like, I've never done it, though.

Speaker 1 Why would you do that? They're like, you're, you have a deep voice. Nobody listens to the games.

Speaker 1 So, you know, looking back on that, like those moments, I was like, okay, well, you know, even if you're not going to be good at it, I think you have to, I personally, like, I wouldn't want to even do a Monday morning podcast and say, and I look, I could fake it.

Speaker 1 I could look at box scores.

Speaker 1 I think that's why people love numbers so much now, especially in basketball, because it's super fucking easy to sort all the numbers and be like, oh, look what this team's doing.

Speaker 1 But there's just nothing that compares with learning about players and learning a team by watching them.

Speaker 1 And I'm sure, Titus, like, that's probably why you jumped in in the beginning because you have this amazing perspective of somebody that, you know, again, it's different, but it's, it's so, you're just armed with more stuff than even we can have by just watching.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I, I, yes.
That was wrong.

Speaker 1 no, but it's it was good.

Speaker 1 I, uh, I, I don't know, because I'm, I'm, one thing I don't, I, I learned through dealing with the pandemic is that our jobs aren't essential, and that, like, really, we were all lucky as hell, yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's, yes, I mean, and and so, like, I had to

Speaker 1 create dogs, I had to recalibrate guys got a job for life, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 I actually may have a follow-up on that.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, Tyce.

Speaker 1 No, I had to, I just, like, had to recalibrate what my life is, what I'm trying to accomplish, what I'm trying to do, because I always knew that this was a lucky position to be in, that I can just watch, I would watch the exact same amount of basketball probably if I was getting paid for it.

Speaker 1 And I just get a talk, and for some reason, I don't know how it works. I get checks in the mail for it.
I just show up, I talk, and then I get checks, and I'm like, this is fucking sick.

Speaker 1 But then, when like that whole world ends, and there's no, but and then, like, the college, like, and you guys are like broad sports, you guys are generalists of sports.

Speaker 1 Like, my appeal is a college basketball guy. Uh, so there's no NCA tournament.
The, the next season, even, you know, this past season was even a little weird.

Speaker 1 It really just drives home how non-essential my job is. And that when society collapses, no one's coming to me asking me if Duke still has a chance at a one seed.
I'm going to push back. What?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm going to push back because

Speaker 1 I think our jobs, and obviously we're not, you know, fucking firefighters and hospital workers. But I actually think like during the pandemic was the first time I was like, oh,

Speaker 1 our jobs are actually really important for people to just have something to think about that's different. And again, it's not a very important job.

Speaker 1 It's not like we're making decisions, life and death decisions. But

Speaker 1 I feel like I've done a better job of appreciating, like, oh, yeah, people really like to listen and hang out with us. And that is important.
Yeah. You're right.
Because

Speaker 1 I love listening to you and Tate. It's true.
You're right.

Speaker 1 I shouldn't discount that. It's just that's my.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of dude.

Speaker 1 There's never been more options. And if, like Big Cat said, if they don't,

Speaker 1 they don't want to hang out with you,

Speaker 1 why the fuck do they want to listen to anything you want to say? Right. But I think you're selling yourself short.
Like, I know what you're saying. Big picture, we're nothing.

Speaker 1 But like, day to day, you think about it.

Speaker 1 Like, there are people, like, when we meet people out and we go on these like trips and stuff, it's like you, you forget, like, people spend six hours with us more like a week. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, that's a lot. You don't spend spend that much time with any of your friends at this point you know so totally

Speaker 1 yeah rascillo this is the first time anyway he's gonna trap us here um

Speaker 1 it is funny because you do have you guys like the the rule we always talk about is like every year you lose like one friend yeah when you get older not lose like obviously they'd still be but like you just don't you can't keep in touch with everyone and it's like something happened.

Speaker 1 I mean, text messages definitely help this because you like have your chats. Yeah.
But it's hard.

Speaker 1 I would warn anybody who's like on any kind of a psilopath, just understand, like when you have a moment, you're like, oh, I'll share this with Marty.

Speaker 1 You're like, Marty's got three kids fucking screaming at him right now. Yeah.
Like, he didn't have time for this. I do it to Big Cat.
But I like it.

Speaker 1 I finally had to stop, though, at some point, because it was like, you know, and I'm not trying to sound like deep or whatever, but like back to the no kids thing. Like, you don't.

Speaker 1 You're not making your own memories and everybody else is making their own.

Speaker 1 Like, so you, you prioritize things in a weird way because normally if you're having a family, you know, I probably have have a kid who's like 10 or something, probably sick at hoops, good handle, whatever.

Speaker 1 But you would be making your own memories where you're not thinking about everybody else. I'm going to push back on that.

Speaker 1 I wasn't trying to be sad. No, I'm actually going to say, like, I think that you should never think, like, oh, they're making that.
Like, I like when my friends share things with me.

Speaker 1 It doesn't mean I can respond all the time right away. I think that's the part that is like the instant, like, oh, this is sick.
But no, a couple years ago, I had that too. I had to share.

Speaker 1 A couple years ago, I had to be like, hey, dude, like, shoot a text and say you're available later on.

Speaker 1 Remember, it might be, like you said, it might be bath time. Right.
So have kids, Titus.

Speaker 2 But as far as losing friends goes, I think it's just, it's a natural process. It's erosion.
Yeah. Like the people, you had more time when you were younger to spend with your friends.

Speaker 2 Now, just as different circumstances happen to different people, you lose it little by little and little.

Speaker 2 And then you don't gain as many friends, especially as you get older, because every person who kind of would maybe fall into that friend category is also just kind of adjacent to whatever phase in life you have to be in at that point.

Speaker 2 So, like, it's not, it's not the true friendship that you get from somebody that you spend all your time with when you're younger, where you just bond over all these common things that you have.

Speaker 2 You just don't have enough time as you get older to share that much of yourself with somebody and then reach that same level of friendship.

Speaker 1 I think there's also like a lack of vulnerability as you get older, too, because you've done so many dumb weird shit with all your college buddies, or if you're still friends with your high school buddies, you'll just be like, well, wait, I'm 35 or I'm 40 and I'm going to meet new guys.

Speaker 1 Like, is he going to think I'm weird or is he weirder than I am? And then you're like, wait a minute, you're even weirder than, you know, like,

Speaker 1 I don't want to do any of this stuff.

Speaker 1 But you know what it is? I'm in that game now with kids, by the way. You don't know.
A lot of people want to be a friend? No, like meeting the parents of other kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's how you make friends when you, is that you have kids.

Speaker 1 That are dogs, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, dog park, politics, yeah. But if politics, assemblies, you're, yeah, you might go to like a rally somewhere and then you end up getting into politics.

Speaker 1 You all dress the same.

Speaker 2 And then you're bros for life after that No, but there there is actually some truth to that I think where when you're younger you develop the the long-lasting like deep bonds because you get in trouble with people.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and that's fun getting it's fun to do hood rat stuff with my friends, right?

Speaker 2 Like it's actually fun to go through an experience like that and then later on be like man We were so dumb back then I can't believe we got away with that the older you get the less trouble you start yeah, you're just not gonna have the same level of bonding opportunity.

Speaker 1 It's all a lot more surface level. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then kind of depending on like what you're you're you're the way you're wired you'd be like whoa this why is this guy being so friendly so soon weird a loser i mean i'm being friends with this guy which is bullshit too you know so i don't know like we always joke about my friend thing i have friends all over the place like i actually have a lot of friends yeah so many that you can name them right but they don't i never live near them and then when you know when we get life advice it's a lot of guys like 27 28 they meet somebody and maybe she wants to move back to her hometown or they both have a job opportunity but they're not 100 sure and they're sort of on the fence and i think like I've had some pockets of friends that stayed in Chicago or stayed in Denver and I'm like envious of them because they actually prioritize that and they still will do cool shit.

Speaker 1 Like I think there's clearly a way to do it.

Speaker 1 I think guys have a very hard time meeting new friends as you get a little bit older, but I'm more of the belief of like if you actually have like, you know, moving's great.

Speaker 1 I've moved a million times. I never let it impact any decision because I only was like very single-minded.

Speaker 1 But when I see other guys, I'm kind of like, Dan, like, I'm sure you want to move back to Chicago and you can, like that's you kind of not that like friday it's on you know well yeah no there's times

Speaker 1 yeah right oh the lodge right but it's yeah and i i do think on that note too

Speaker 1 it's very important to make like be the guy in your friend group that makes the extra effort to get everyone together because it always

Speaker 1 everyone always has an excuse a million excuses And like it gets harder, especially when you get out of that zone of bachelor parties.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh, we're not going to see, like, like, you got to be like the guy who's like, hey, let's all get together. Let's go do this.
Like, let's go, let's go to a game. Let's go to Vega.

Speaker 1 Whatever it may be. You'll never regret it.
And it's like, you don't, you only get, like, there are some friends of mine that I love to death. And I know I might see them once a year at most.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's like, you got to, you got to like work on it.
That's, I think, the big thing. It's like you have to, friendship.

Speaker 1 in the college and after, you know, when everyone's living, having fun, it's like, it's very easy. It gets harder and you have to put in effort.
I think that's the big lesson.

Speaker 1 I also think the pest talk to myself because I know I don't. Guys that are like, oh, you know, I graduated.
I can't live with like seven guys. Okay, maybe.

Speaker 1 But if there's four of you that get along and you're not in a hurry, you know, I don't think 40 is weird.

Speaker 2 I want to move in. What is it about guys that it makes it so much tougher for us?

Speaker 1 Like real guy talker. Yeah, we're guys.

Speaker 2 There'll be girls or like a girlfriend or a wife that'll go to an exercise class and then they'll make like best friends with the teacher and then they'll hang out with that teacher and like go shopping the next week and be like, I made a new friend.

Speaker 2 Like, guys, we don't, we don't do that.

Speaker 2 It's like if we happen to like make a comment about liking the same sports team or hating the same athlete, if you're like, fucking LeBron, someone's like, yeah, man, tell me about it.

Speaker 2 Then you're like, okay, I made a bro today, but that's like the extent of your interaction.

Speaker 2 And you don't ever like follow up and you don't really actually go that next step of like, we don't, you don't spend quality time with a guy you just met because you want to be his friend.

Speaker 1 It's, it's, we. It's true.

Speaker 1 Well, it's so funny, but it's just it's yeah it's that we we we don't want to be vulnerable that's really all like the only way to become friends with somebody is to be vulnerable and like like you were saying earlier like like that that's what comes from like

Speaker 1 being young is like doing hood rat shit as you said that's like honestly in in some way you're you're you're being vulnerable with your friend by like i don't know breaking windows at the school at night and then now like you guys have this secret together that like if the cops come i didn't you know what i mean like there should be a tinder but for guys that want to just like go break minor laws

Speaker 2 Petty crime. Like misdemeanor.

Speaker 1 But this is also

Speaker 1 going back to also we've talked about it. So

Speaker 1 I think women are naturally, it's easier to just,

Speaker 1 I don't know, to just like open. Like they don't have the hard outer shell that like we have where I don't know.

Speaker 1 If I walked up to Ryan, I was like, dude, your thigh is a great man. Like we bond over that.
Yeah. You know, we're broke.
I would never say that. It also, though, is

Speaker 1 still so vulnerable.

Speaker 1 It comes full circle to like why it's stupid at times to like care about sports but that's also like a lot of my friends you know what I mean like your college friends like people that's the only why do you care about college sports so much like I don't know dude like me and my best friends like to talk about the badgers playing Minnesota on a fucking maybe that's why maybe that's why guys always bond over sports because that's the one part of our lives we're willing to be vulnerable yeah be like I'm fucking devastated my team lost yeah and you're like I am too are we friends you know yeah you cry you cry after a bad loss together you're like this is healthy but I hate when people are like dude it's just a college team what does it matter

Speaker 1 none of it matters yeah None of it matters. We already know that, but it matters today.

Speaker 1 And you know what's way better than a fucking parenting text thread. Be like, what's your diapers just?

Speaker 1 So, you know, I'm not on any of those.

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They've got shampoo and conditioner in one, body wash, deodorant.

Speaker 2 They've got deodorant, moisturizers, face wash, scrub, oils, beard conditioners, and shave cream. Again, everything's $15 or less.
You can shop at getw.com or at your local CVS. Now, here's more life.

Speaker 1 Don't worry, I'm not. Do you want to do any little life acts? Yeah, let's start it off.
I just liked that last time. Yeah.
Yeah. So start us off, PFT.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. We actually just talked about this briefly on the ride over here.

Speaker 2 I've started in the last like three, four years to put my clothes away at hotel rooms when I know I'm going to be staying there for like four days. That's good.
Three or four days.

Speaker 2 I don't live out of the suitcase. I set up the kitchen sink or the bathroom sink with like all the shit that I need out there.

Speaker 1 Never done it. Never really? Never unpacked.
Oh, it feels great. I lived in hotels, too.
And then you call the hotel home. Like, let's go back home.
It does.

Speaker 2 It feels really good. You wake up and in the morning you go to your drawer and you pull it out and you're like, I know where everything is.
It's like a little mini home.

Speaker 1 Hang up your shit. Although,

Speaker 1 I got. I got hung up stuff.
Let's not go crazy, but

Speaker 1 have you?

Speaker 1 I used to have to wear suits all the time. Did you have to?

Speaker 1 And I'm liquid.

Speaker 2 I was putting away my shit at the hotel last night after I got into town. I did, again, not a drug guy, but I did smoke marijuana with some other people here.
It's illegal in California, by the way.

Speaker 1 Not federally, though.

Speaker 2 Correct, correct. I'm opening myself up to the DEA.
But I looked at my drawers this morning that I put all my shit in last night. It made no sense the order that I just put.

Speaker 2 I have my suit in there with my dirty underwear from the night before. I've got like it's all

Speaker 2 it's, yeah, because man, you don't know. We invite all these top shelf parties to town.

Speaker 1 That's good point.

Speaker 2 But there's something about. You packed a suit?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I bring it up.

Speaker 1 What? Yeah. I packed.
Wait, what party are you actually bringing your suit? What's the party with?

Speaker 2 I pack dress pants, dress pants, and

Speaker 2 a jacket. A blazer?

Speaker 1 What? Okay, give me a happy roster. Give me a roster.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what party? I don't know. I don't have a party yet, but every.
What scenario is going through your mind when you pack this?

Speaker 1 I need this just in case. Nobody wants to see us.
They'd think about it. Wow, that's not it.

Speaker 2 Not to big time, you guys. But I've covered seven Super Bowls now.

Speaker 2 And at most of these Super Bowls, I have been invited to one party or another where it's a higher dress-up type party where I would feel like, you know, how I dress. Here's the thing about me.

Speaker 2 99% of the time, I dress like the biggest asshole in the world.

Speaker 1 When he puts on a collared shirt, I'm like, who died? But that's the point. I don't care if he wants you.

Speaker 2 I have normal PFT speed, and then I've got like you're going to a wedding or a funeral speed.

Speaker 1 Yes. No, seriously, when he puts on, when he has a collared shirt, I'm like, did someone die that I didn't know about? Like, did you come from a funeral? Because it's weird.

Speaker 2 Listen, okay, yes. I just, listen, I was vulnerable with you guys.

Speaker 1 Don't ever do that again. I'm never going to do that.

Speaker 2 But there's something, I don't know, it's something I picked up recently where I just feel better about myself if I just put stuff away. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like I'm building my own little million. No, I'm with you.
I started doing that a couple years ago.

Speaker 1 It's a big move. I like it as well.
It is a game changer. Yeah.
I like that. What else you got, PFT?

Speaker 2 Let me see. Anybody else want to go? We can cycle around.

Speaker 1 The suits style.

Speaker 1 One that came to mind for me is it kind of boils down to set the bar low, but not only set the bar low, keep the bar low as long as you possibly can on a lot of different things.

Speaker 1 And some examples of this, uh, obviously at work, I worked at the ringer for god knows how long. I've worked at Fox.
I think this is your, we're going on year three for me.

Speaker 1 I have, I don't know how to check my work email is what, like, how it works. Like, when people hit me up, I'm just like, ah, shit, I don't have, I don't, I still haven't learned that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I haven't been on board. I have.
So, there's that, but then also another thing that I've, I've done that has worked well for me is I've pretended that like experiences are my first time.

Speaker 1 Uh, uh, the food, this is the first time I've tried this food. I've gotten free meals out of this.

Speaker 1 I've never tried sushi. You guys want to get sushi tonight? And then, like, you're like, oh my God, you know, you have to, come on, let's go.
And then that's smart. And then I'm like, what is that?

Speaker 1 What is this? I did that. So doing it.
It's like Jimmy being at a Jimmy Buffer concert. Yeah, that's smart.
Being the new guy. Everyone wants to like

Speaker 1 everyone wants to fold a new guy into like their thing. So if you're like, what is it? What is it? And they're like, come with me.
I'll pay for everything. I'll teach you everything.
That's genius.

Speaker 1 And if you can keep that going as long as you can, it's smart for you. It's a winning combo.

Speaker 2 But it's also, it's sneaky, smart, and it helps out everybody else too, because then the night is like, oh, we're introducing Mark to sushi. Everyone else's enjoyment gets raised up.
They're like,

Speaker 1 how do you like the Nagi? Yeah, yeah. Like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. People don't like it their first time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. I like that move a lot.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's that one.

Speaker 1 I just have something I want to improve on.

Speaker 1 You know, I wasn't always a great tenant.

Speaker 1 As a renter, my early phases. Not a lot of heads up.
That whole like, hey, I'm moving out at the end of the month. One time I moved out that day and the landlord was like, what's going on?

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, I'm out. I'm out of here.
I got to leave. He's like, today?

Speaker 1 He's like, what about the 30 days thing? And I was like, yeah, I can't pay this month. Like, I'm moving.
And he's just like, you're an asshole. Not proud of it.

Speaker 1 So then once I had a, you know, a little investment property and was in charge, I wanted to be relaxed. I wanted to be a little hands-off.
And you're the cool mom. Yeah, I want to be the cool mom.

Speaker 1 Right. I'm like, I'm not going to hammer you in some of this stuff here or there.
So

Speaker 1 tenants moved out. I was real relaxed, real relaxed about a lot of it.
And

Speaker 1 there was human piss all over a tempur pedic mattress that cost me about $1,500.

Speaker 1 And they'd taken the mattress cover off. So I was like, all right, this sucks.
Yeah. It sucks.
So I just wanted to see how they would respond. So my life hack was I had two choices.

Speaker 1 be professional or dump a piss stained mattress off in front of the guy's house

Speaker 1 And I'm so proud that I didn't choose number two.

Speaker 1 So that's like me not finding the ref's name. That's right.
Yeah. That was right.

Speaker 1 I was like, you know, what am I supposed to do with this mattress? I guess I could get steam clean. It's nice.
But I said, you know, I'm just going to give the guy a chance. We'll ask him.

Speaker 1 And I was like, hey, any idea what's going on there? Why the mattress cover was off? Which was definitely on when they checked in because

Speaker 1 I turned it over. You know, I was a very hands-on.
Yeah. And he was like, oh, check with the other guy.
I'm like, you just went, you just did a check with the other guy to me,

Speaker 1 and so my life hack would be improving

Speaker 1 on those scenarios in the future. Take a better inventory, the tenant empowerment era.
Yeah, you're not a fan of the tenant empowerment era. I don't want to get political about this.

Speaker 1 There's more renters than landlords, so landlords lose public opinion.

Speaker 1 So, that's just the way it is. I do think apparently, their mortgage goes away, right? It is a tough spot to be.
I find myself trusting too much.

Speaker 1 That was good.

Speaker 2 No, I like that, Ryan.

Speaker 1 That was

Speaker 1 people don't think about that. You trust too much? They don't care.
I trust too much sometimes. I think that falls into that.

Speaker 1 I try to think of the best in people.

Speaker 1 I seriously was being so awesome about it. And then I went, oh, I got fucking burned.
Yeah, right. Sweet.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, some guy will send me a pic, and I'll be like, this guy's a sharp. And then he'll burn me.
It burns me a lot.

Speaker 1 Okay, by the way, there was a pick that was sent to Big Cat from me, and I had good intel on it, and it was based on a theory, and it didn't even come close, right?

Speaker 1 It was like a disaster out of the gates.

Speaker 1 And then there was another game where I was like, Hey, this is happening tonight. And then, because you, your first impression is everything, right?

Speaker 1 Even when it's the people you've made impressions with already. You sent this to me and Chris Long, right? I sent it to Chris Long.
And we'd bring it up. He lost so spectacularly.
Right. It was.

Speaker 1 And it was, you know what it was? Do you remember the game? I do. Because I do.
Well, of course I remember it because I felt bad about it. It was Lakers-Rockets game one.
Right.

Speaker 1 When he was like, the Lakers are going to destroy the Rockets. The Lakers did destroy the Rockets in games two through six or five.
Five.

Speaker 1 The Rockets crushed the Lakers in game one. Yeah, the whole theory was they just gone seven games.
You know, they're going to be a little worn out. Like, that turnaround was brutal.

Speaker 1 Because if you apply the same theory to the Denver side of the racket, it actually played out perfectly based on what the theory was.

Speaker 1 And so then the next one was whether or not a guy was going to play. Let's leave this out.

Speaker 1 And I was like, hey, this is happening tonight. And then he was ruled out.

Speaker 1 And I was like, that's not right. It's not right.
And then you're like, you guys were killing me because you're like, you gave us the pick based on this guy being back.

Speaker 1 And they just ruled him out again.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, nope, it's wrong. And then I remember.

Speaker 1 And I remember I even told Big Cat, though, this is where I deserve to be off the hook more, or it should have reset the first impression meter, is I was like, what'd you bet?

Speaker 1 And you were like, five grand. And I go, I will bet you five grand on what you, I'll take your action then because I'm right.
And he did play and you won, but we never fucking hear that story, do we?

Speaker 1 Chris and I would bring up the Rockets Lakers game just randomly, like once every week. Just like,

Speaker 1 you know, you put yourself at the crosshairs of your buddies, try to make them a little cash. You'd just be like, what are you, like, what are you guys doing this weekend?

Speaker 1 And I'd be like, well, I'm not doing anything because I'm poor now. Because I bet

Speaker 1 what about the Mississippi State lot, yeah, you had that, you saw that.

Speaker 1 What about the Golden State the other night, where I was like, Golden State's asked you to come back and win this game? You did, and I bet that, and I went to sleep.

Speaker 1 Guy bets money line wakes up with a winner. Yep, that's true.
I literally said to you, I was like, I'm going to go to sleep. I'm going to bet it.
I'm going to go to sleep because I trust you.

Speaker 1 So, I think when four and one, yeah, we keep hearing that. The one was really, really no, it was terrible because it was a theory based on somebody else's theory who's like a genius.
Oh,

Speaker 1 no, yeah, damn. Um, all right, I got one.

Speaker 1 I'm a big believer in this one.

Speaker 1 And with COVID, we didn't do it for a couple of years because people didn't get together. Be the cooler guy, not the grill guy.
That's a big one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The grill guy at any outing or like barbecue or anything sucks. And people think it's like awesome.
It sucks. Cooler guy gets to control the beer.

Speaker 1 Also, like gets, if you can keep everything cold, everyone's going to be like, oh my God, you did a great job.

Speaker 1 it's like it's not that hard how hard yeah how hard is it it's not cold there's just being like i'll go get the ice i'll go get this i'll do that i'll i'll take care of like the drinks when you mean the cooler guy are you talking about like you're sitting on the cooler no no no i'm talking about is this the active role because like being the guy who goes and gets like all right i'll bring the ice you know i'll get do anything actually yes

Speaker 1 yes right but that's grill guy

Speaker 1 grill guy sucks that sucks i i'm gonna push back on that i like being the grill guy i think it's it ruins the time. You just basically have to just stand there at the grill.

Speaker 1 You're definitely not there for the party. You're there to

Speaker 1 party. And then you're like, oh, this is sick.
I'm the grill guy. Look at me.
But if you deliver as the grill guy,

Speaker 1 you're the guy. Yeah, but it doesn't really.

Speaker 1 Single, I don't know, smelling like fucking burgers. Yeah, right.
And you're just like, ever good to put any time in. No one's like, man, that was awesome.
Well, I love it. I don't like it.

Speaker 1 I would have liked this. I was like, I'm not sure if I'm a grill guy.

Speaker 2 When you're the grill guy, it's not like you're in charge of dinner and a show. You're not like entertaining people while you grill.
It's just something cool to do.

Speaker 2 Like I enjoy cooking meat and then putting it out on a plate. It gives me something to do for like, I don't know, 30, 40 minutes.

Speaker 1 I think I like it. Yeah, I always, I hate, like, I think the expectations are too high.
Everything just feels like you're

Speaker 1 a microscope. I think a lot of people think they can do it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can tell a guy immediately, like, are you going to keep flipping it all day? Right. You think you're doing something? You don't really need to do it.
People judge you.

Speaker 1 It's just nice to not have to worry about it and just be like, I'm not grilling.

Speaker 1 But I also think sometimes a guy that maybe has some social hang-ups is like oh i'll just be a grill guy because then it's like now i've there's no pressure on me like oh i'd love to come over and chat yeah

Speaker 1 i'm grilling yeah it's more that's probably why i like it yeah just

Speaker 1 my job i don't have to talk to anybody i'm just gonna try to make sure this brisket is

Speaker 2 you can also like convince yourself that when you feed everybody you're like everyone here would have died if it wasn't for me yeah i provide nutrients to everybody That's that's you spending too much time with Billy Football.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 people would rather have cooler guys show up.

Speaker 2 The cool guy guy showing up is great, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and just being like, I got the drinks, I'm bringing the ice, I'm doing like, dude, who doesn't want, like, I just

Speaker 1 become my thing. Yeah, I am, uh, I've become a cooler guy, and it's uh, it's a great job because it, I, I, you, it's not an active job, though, right? That's it.

Speaker 1 You do it, and then it's just you bring it, and then you sit, yeah. And you, but also, people are always like, dude, if you, if you're like, oh, you want, you need a beer, oh, you need an extra beer?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, it's a fucking you get a lot of rewards for that. Yeah, I'll admit that uh,

Speaker 1 in Ubers,

Speaker 1 sometimes in person,

Speaker 1 I'll pretend I can't speak English.

Speaker 2 When you get in the car, how do you say it? How do you let them know?

Speaker 1 I'll just be like, unpose your pas.

Speaker 1 A little French.

Speaker 1 That's good. That's good.
Because I have enough French, I can say a few sentences in the accents. I've always been a strong with my accents.
They've always said that. But

Speaker 1 I'll just be like, you know, jevais,

Speaker 1 and they're just like, that's just, I want to go to the beach, which technically I do. But

Speaker 1 it just freaks everybody out. Yeah, don't speak English.
So I've had solicitors.

Speaker 1 Because I used to get a little more aggressive with solicitors. I used to look forward to the confrontation where I get out of the gym and be like, hey, man, I want to talk to you.

Speaker 1 I love those sneakers. You just get out of the gym.
Fuck off. I'm not signing up for your thing.

Speaker 1 And just to see. Because it's like you've been harassing people all day.
Yeah. And like one guy, and they get so mad at you.
Because like one guy's like, no, fuck this. I'm not doing it.

Speaker 1 I don't want there to be any confusion. And it'll be like, whoa,

Speaker 1 whoa.

Speaker 1 So I was like, all right, stop doing that. So now a guy will come up and I'll just be like,

Speaker 1 you know, like,

Speaker 1 nous alange à la plage. Hey, you're French, yeah.
Right, right. It's, we want to go to the beach.
The nice thing in New York is you literally just don't have to look at anyone ever.

Speaker 1 No, but I've gotten a couple, like back in the day when Soho,

Speaker 1 there would just be dudes that would like harass you with the CD thing. You just never, never say anything.
They're still there. You never say anything.
It's not as bad as it used to.

Speaker 1 It used to be so bad because everybody was just afraid to not give the person five or 10 bucks. Because he'd be like, wait, now you wanted money for this? Yeah, right.
Now you're holding it.

Speaker 1 And now you feel like you're stealing it. Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 That's a transaction. And I would just be like, nope, I don't want your fucking CD.
And the guy would be like, you know, and then people kind of look around.

Speaker 1 You're like, all right, you can relax a little on this one. There's an easier way to do this.
But I just like to be no, like, I'm going to be very certain.

Speaker 2 You like a little bit of confrontation. I do.

Speaker 1 Oh, you live off of it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, how long do you have to go for like for that itch to start creeping up where you're like, I really want to get into a shouting argument?

Speaker 2 It isn't.

Speaker 1 I don't, I'm not talking about like just straight-up arguments. I'm not, like, I'm not.
You strike me as a guy who making a citizen's arrest is on your bucket list. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, you would love to, like, be like, hey,

Speaker 1 you can't do that. And then you're, you know, you walk up, yeah, like, when you see, like, cops, like, with the yellow tape, you walk up, you're like, you need any help here?

Speaker 1 It just goes from cool to to dwight shrimp

Speaker 1 no no that's not the case and honestly if i had beaten up the stalker

Speaker 1 probably that that would have been my that was my shot do you think you could have taken him yeah just kidding

Speaker 1 no not that i'm but i i could no i no you're wrong on that i just i don't i like confrontation but not to the point of like i don't want to just start arguing with strangers all the time you would have to start i like i i i'm on your side right you would have to do something that i don't want you to do to me yes and i'm just going to make sure you know immediately, like, no, this is not like.

Speaker 1 I got into one

Speaker 1 the other day. In my neighborhood, there's like a shitload of construction.
I was driving my car, and I, like, there was like a shitload of, like, trucks and everything.

Speaker 1 So there's one way to go through. And me and this guy hit the hole at the exact same time.
And I'm not joking.

Speaker 1 I sat for five minutes and he sat for five minutes and we just were honking at each other like motherfucking each other. And it was thrilling.

Speaker 1 Finally, some truck moved so we both could be like, all right, we got to win. Did you guys respect each other, you think, when it was done? It was like a little, I think so.

Speaker 1 Like, but I put down my window. He put down.
He's like, fuck you. I was here first.
No, fuck you. And I know I shouldn't do this because like people are crazy with Road Rage.

Speaker 1 Like, he could have had a gun, but it was, it gave me adrenaline for the rest of the day. Oh, my God.
It was awesome.

Speaker 1 We were just standing there, like, sitting there, literally just looking at each other, like, fuck you. No, fuck you.
Like, you moved. No, I was here first.
You think it would have taken him?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I probably could have.

Speaker 2 I did. That clip of those two guys.

Speaker 1 No one can answer that. No, I got it.
It was awesome. Just

Speaker 2 but those are thrilling those guys probably went on and had the best day of their lives yes because you like walk away and you're like wow that was kind of a rush those guys knew each other don't they yeah it was a fake so that kind of put a damper on it but you can imagine everything if you were in that scenario it would have felt good for the rest of your day yeah like to get into an actual argument with somebody face-to-face on the street because i feel like we're too nice sometimes we hold back

Speaker 1 yeah i think if we were allowed like and again it has to be i would say in retaliation to something that's happening like i have this it's a horrible deal and if i you ever read the things like rascal shot in the street i'm gonna tell you exactly where it happens because outside of the equinox whoa that was that was a left turn there's outside of the equinox there's two lanes and you can go left or right for the most part right

Speaker 1 and there's an exit of a strip mall because it happened again today and there is like three cars and get to the light and then behind that with these massive lanes out here you have to leave the area clear so people can get it out and then you stop at almost like a second area behind it.

Speaker 1 It's fairly common out here. What always happens is there's some guy leaving the strip mall that sees that gap and goes, Well, I'll just pull out and get behind the car.

Speaker 1 And not only do you cut everybody that's like obeying what you're supposed to do, you then also cut off the other lane to turn right. And everybody does it.
And it's like half the time.

Speaker 1 And I'm usually, I always make sure I leave the gap. And then now when I see somebody try to sneak in, I just go, well, fuck it then.
I'll just pull up.

Speaker 1 And then they get caught and they think I've cut them off.

Speaker 1 And I'll just be like, what did you, how did you think this was gonna work like what did you think what do you think was going on like you were gonna be the one that did it you were gonna be the one and now you think I'm wrong because I did the right thing or the wrong and it's just like I'm gonna get shot and the worst is I'm right after I get out of the gym so I'm so fucking amped up yeah yeah

Speaker 1 it's horrible

Speaker 1 what's that what pre-workout oh just anger

Speaker 2 you remember did you ever take jacked IT Jacked Jacked was the absolute best I don't know what happened to the original formula jacked but I'm pretty sure that it was meth.

Speaker 2 I think that there was a chemical in it. It was like the dimethylene 1,3-germanium extract.

Speaker 2 It was methamphetamines.

Speaker 1 That was nuts. And the one that was really fucked up, you all be too young for.

Speaker 1 Did I just y'all? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I like that I did that.

Speaker 1 Is Ultimate Orange.

Speaker 1 Look that up. Okay.
That was like...

Speaker 1 I was taking that, I think,

Speaker 1 my early 20s, and I came home because I was like off for a semester. I was going to work construction, didn't work out.

Speaker 1 And I would come home and, you know, I didn't have any money, so I'd go up to my parents' house to get some food or something.

Speaker 1 And I'd leave the gym, and my father would be like, What the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 So, I don't know. I don't know.
There's no worries. Ultimate Orange.
They banned that. They banned that 20 years ago.
That's how bad that was.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this ain't your daddy's pre-workout.

Speaker 1 Are you looking it up right now?

Speaker 2 Yeah, increased muscle mass, strength, energy, and focus. That's what they all say, though.

Speaker 1 What's in it, though?

Speaker 1 I don't even know if I want to know.

Speaker 2 Why was Ultimate Orange pre-workout banned?

Speaker 2 It caused strokes, seizures, cardiac arrhythmia, and heart attacks. And activate, oh, it had Ephedra in it.

Speaker 1 That's why.

Speaker 2 Ephedra was the one that it was in a lot of pre-workouts.

Speaker 1 That was in Jack, too?

Speaker 2 No, Jack had actually, I'm pretty sure it was synthetic meth that was in it. And so they re-released it with a different formula, and all the forums exploded.

Speaker 2 They're like, whatever happened, all the Jack. Then people went out there and they bought

Speaker 1 the old ones. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The guys had like garages just filled with tubs, and the price of each container skyrocketed like 150 bucks as opposed to 29.99 it was a problem for us

Speaker 2 it was it was not an easy come down um i have i have one that i wrote here that's

Speaker 2 It's kind of serious, but kind of a joke.

Speaker 2 But we all find ourselves in situations where we're eating somebody's food, or if you're at a brewery and somebody put a lot of time and work into creating something, you take a sip or a bite of it, and you just hate it immediately, and you don't know what to say ever.

Speaker 2 just say, there's a lot going on in here.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of flavors. Wow.

Speaker 2 There's a lot going on. It's really good.

Speaker 1 Very simple. What's the guy Fieri? He does.
What does he say when it's like the nicest, the meanest thing he says?

Speaker 1 Because he's so nice, right? He says something that's like, that's a tell.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck. Did he share it with you guys? I'd love to know this information.
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 It might have been just a wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like the flavor. He just gives you a basic wow.

Speaker 2 He gives you one wow with Guy Fieri, you're in trouble. trouble with a lot going on it's good usually if he goes wow that's out of bounds then that's good

Speaker 1 i gotta find out i gotta find it but keep going sorry this is amazing you know and then the the other the kind of serious one is um

Speaker 2 i wish i had written more notes to people like small notes yeah like this is going back to hotels and again i'm like i'm thinking about hotels because i'm currently in one so it's top of my mind but if you write like a small note to the housekeeping staff when they come by they're like people whose jobs, you know, are so monotonous and boring.

Speaker 2 If you just write like a small note to them being like, hey, I appreciate it. Thank you for cleaning the room, it can make their day.

Speaker 2 Like I got into a note off one time with the housekeeping staff at,

Speaker 2 it was in Indianapolis at the Combine. I wrote like a little note thanking them the first night.
Then my room was clean. They wrote me a note back saying, thank you so much for leaving me this note.

Speaker 2 Brighten my day. Then I feel pressure where I have to write like an even better note.
Now I have to like sit down and think about what I'm going to write on my second note back to this.

Speaker 1 Sounds like an assignment. This is yeah, I got myself into like a little bit of

Speaker 1 notes or yeah.

Speaker 2 Because think about the last time you got like a handwritten written note from somebody. It's it makes you feel better.
It makes you like it's a small bit of connection that you can do with somebody.

Speaker 2 Yes. I think that both parties benefit from.

Speaker 1 Van Pel used to do a handwritten note for every guest we had. Really?

Speaker 2 Then I think would you would he ever ask you to sign it?

Speaker 1 No, they didn't want my name on anything. Wait, what? I was on that.
I was on your radio show. I never got a handwritten note.
That must have been.

Speaker 2 Interesting. That might have been an impermissible benefit.

Speaker 1 Well, what year? What year were you on with us?

Speaker 1 It would have been 09.

Speaker 1 I got my first taste of controversy with you guys because I believe you asked me which cheerleaders in the Big Ten were the least attractive.

Speaker 1 That doesn't sound like us. Oh, nine.
I said Northwestern. Oh, I know, humor.
Yeah, I said Northwestern, and then

Speaker 1 it wasn't really. Who were they offended because it's Purdue? Yeah, Purdue.

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Speaker 1 I got to be careful.

Speaker 1 I've been worked into a pretzel because my mother went to Purdue and played basketball and is in the Hall of of Fame at Purdue.

Speaker 1 And anyone that grows up in Indiana knows that no women go to Purdue and that you just want to make jokes about there are no women at Purdue. And yet my own mother.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I'm like putting like, like, I want to do it so bad, but then I, I, I don't know. So anyway.
Work that Hall of Fame. Speaking of Purdue, I got a life hack, Daniel, like this.

Speaker 1 Uh, because my mom goes to Purdue, I, uh, one thing I do for her every year is I give $35, that's her jersey number, to the Purdue University in her name.

Speaker 1 And what it has allowed me to do, the life hack, is that I grew up in Indiana fan. I don't really care for Purdue that much.

Speaker 1 I can now shit on Purdue with free reign because I'm technically donating to the school and I'm a booster. So that's a life hack, maybe.
Like throw 10, 20 bucks to your rival. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then you're allowed to say whatever you want. Yeah.
And I don't know. Donate.
Yeah. That actually is a good one.

Speaker 2 Building like small excuses for yourself is always important.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I like that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Is that what that's what you landed on?

Speaker 1 That's what it was. Yeah.
Yeah. Don't give money.

Speaker 2 Don't like give time. Just like only do something nice for somebody else if it's going to benefit you in the long run.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Um, I had a one

Speaker 1 for bachelor parties be do uh

Speaker 1 get up early one morning and clean the whole place. You're the king for the whole weekend.

Speaker 1 There's that one guy, like if you get a house, if you'd make the effort, because there's, it's always that like who's cleaning.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows the asshole who doesn't do anything if you're just like one morning you're like all right i'm getting up and like everyone's gonna get up and they're gonna see the whole place is clean you now have like basically checked off your i i've done something to help the crew here to expand on that i think just the the every so often grand gesture in general is a great play uh right the the like selectively picking up the tap if you're someone that doesn't have a lot of money and and you know

Speaker 1 that that you can't you can't not pick up the tap every single time one time when you're at like maybe a mid-tier restaurant, you're not out at the really fancy place with all the friends.

Speaker 1 You're like, you know what, guys? I got this one. And then they'll remember it forever.
Yes.

Speaker 1 That was a trick I pulled with my rich friends once they got to the NBA and they'd come back.

Speaker 1 I would try like once every two years, I would pick up the tab and they would all look at me like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 And then I feel like in my mind, I've positioned myself unlike all those other mooches over here. Like, I'm trying.
I'm doing my best. And I don't know.

Speaker 1 It also is like if you are in a spot where you've made, you know, some money and you have people you're working with who haven't like doing the little things of like picking up lunch, doing shit like that.

Speaker 1 Like, it actually, it's, it matters. You know what I mean? And, like, people, I also am a big believer in, like, if you do, if you're in a spot where you're,

Speaker 1 whatever job you're in and you have people that do a really like good job helping you be better, you have to make sure that you take care of them.

Speaker 1 Like, I heard a story once that, like, Saban just, like, he has everyone over to his house, like, everyone, literally, like, ball boys, like, everyone who has anything to do with the program, and like, everyone gets, like, a huge Christmas bonus.

Speaker 1 And it's like from like every person down the line. And it's like that type of thing.
Like, if you have a, if you're in a spot where you have the ability to do that, it means a lot to people.

Speaker 1 And you don't want to be the guy who doesn't do that.

Speaker 2 Who was it that we were talking to that had like Matt LaFleur over and he thought he was going to a party?

Speaker 1 Brian Kelly. Yeah.
Yeah. But that's Ryan's guy.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Your guy, Brian Kelly. And he was just with Salah.
That's just the

Speaker 1 cooler guy. That story is so bad, I almost can't believe it's true.
Like, apparently Kelly invited Sala and

Speaker 1 Lafleur over and they thought they were going to a Christmas party and instead they stayed outside and parked cars. They didn't park cars for him.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But like little shit like that, it's like there's no. I don't even know.
I don't know. That's so bad.
It's true. But there is like, you know, you have to take care of people that are.

Speaker 1 No, but there's a bigger thing that what you're saying, and you're right. You're totally right.
And, you know, you may not learn it till a little bit later.

Speaker 1 You know, you also have to be the person that's in position. Like, look, early on, Van Pelt paid for every dinner.
Right. Okay.
He just knew he was going to pay for everybody.

Speaker 1 He's going to take care of everybody. Then I get to a certain point where it's like, hey, let me grab a check here.
Like, I know it's your move. Yep.

Speaker 1 But let me grab one just like Titus was talking about. Like, it's almost like if, you know, I remember like dating somebody when I was younger and she didn't have any money.
I didn't have any money.

Speaker 1 And I paid. And then like once a month, she'd be like, I got it.
And it meant the world to me. It's a good point.
The reverse. And I've had other people I've hung out with where

Speaker 1 they had money and they they wouldn't fucking cross the street for 10 bucks and they'd ask me for it instead you know you're just like look it's just little but i think what you're saying is like i'll get all these life advice emails about well we had the bill was this and then after this vacation ended up being all these different things and it can sound like well hey you guys are now older and you've made some money you're more dismissive and i'm like look

Speaker 1 We just spent all this time talking about how hard it was to make friends and to meet friends when you were older and stuff.

Speaker 1 And some of you fucking guys want to argue over $75 from a fucking bachelor party weekend where you're ready to, and I get like, hey, there is a guy in the group that always thinks he's winning by not kicking in money.

Speaker 1 And it fucking sucks. And the only thing you can do is just keep hammering him on it when he keeps doing it all the time.
And that's his role in the friend group. But don't be so like.

Speaker 1 ready to go on some of the money stuff where it's like you realize like some of the stuff you guys are gonna lose lifelong friends over 50 or 75 you know look if somebody keeps doing it like I said I can understand it being an issue but I can't believe how many emails we get and you're just like all right you want to start cutting guys off because of happy hour after fucking at 26 years old go ahead but you're gonna regret it yeah

Speaker 1 and sometimes it's easier to just Like there have been situations where it's like, oh, there's a security deposit or something like, all right, well, let me cover it and like we'll all be happy.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like not making everything. There's something about like when you get a little older where it's like, hey, y'all go out to like breakfast or brunch or something.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, you don't like it's split it all up. You know, like, there's just something about it's finding that line all the time, and that's kind of what it is, where you could be like, all right,

Speaker 1 you shouldn't, one guy shouldn't get stuck with everything all the time, but I also don't want to be here with a fucking calculator down to the desperate point after a golf trip.

Speaker 1 Because it makes you, it makes, it, it lessens everyone's like enjoyment.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I do think taking care of people who make you whatever job it is, who make you, your job easier and your life easier is super important and it doesn't always it doesn't have to be cash it can just be like hey you what you do for me is like very important and very vital to my success here's a hoodie i don't want yeah here the pile take anything from the pile i should also include that i with the notes you also should leave some money

Speaker 1 i was wondering because i was like yeah no and this is better than any money i can give you it's a it's a personal thank you

Speaker 1 yeah but do the the the bachelor party one like and also i i've later like don't do it when you're in your your 20s, but when you're in your 30s, don't be ashamed of just leaving the bachelor party early.

Speaker 1 Like, I do the like late, like, if I go to Vegas. I think that's lame.
Why? Yeah, because everyone's dead. We've spent all this time.
It depends on how much time you're there.

Speaker 1 Right, but you don't get those. Like, we've had trips like that.
I've gone through them.

Speaker 1 I remember one weekend years ago where by the time Saturday rolled around, I was like, because we've done Thursday and Friday, like, idiots. That's true.
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 And I just went, I don't want to go out tonight. I'm like, I'm out of it.
I'm done. And then, you know, my other buddy was like, we all flew from all over the country to be here.

Speaker 1 What are you going to do? Get a movie? Like, you're going to sit here and watch a movie and to get takeout? Like, you have to go. It's not so.
Well, I don't, I don't like to bail out at night.

Speaker 1 It's the early morning. I'll always just leave.
I'll be the first to leave in the morning. That's

Speaker 1 just to sit around and like

Speaker 1 you're just

Speaker 1 on the get-out day. Everybody's getting out anyway.
I'm out. You're the first one.
Right.

Speaker 1 Not to leave the party early. Yeah, you're right about that.

Speaker 2 Like, how much community cleanup is going to be involved on the last day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's also like part of the...

Speaker 1 If you get up early, clean the whole place up and then leave. Yeah.
I think that's the master. Also, for bachelor parties,

Speaker 1 however much cocaine you're going to get, it's not going to be enough.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't know. I don't use...

Speaker 2 Don't do drugs.

Speaker 1 Don't do drugs.

Speaker 1 Or Jack three.

Speaker 1 I also had one that you...

Speaker 2 That was a pre-workout you would take and then just you go to the gym and then just sit on the toilet for 30 minutes and be like, Well, I can't work out. I've been in the bathroom this long.

Speaker 2 I got to get to work, get home, get showered. That was a bad decision.

Speaker 2 Really gets the insides moving.

Speaker 1 Be the guy, though, on the bash party that does something for everyone like that. Like, clean up, go get breakfast, do something.
It's that's golf towels. It's a big move.
No, no,

Speaker 2 embroidered golf towels.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about, like, oh, I'm gonna go. My drinking group has a friendship problem.

Speaker 1 Hats. I have one for uh you, Ryan, and Titus for pickup hoops.

Speaker 1 I wonder if I'll let Titus go on this one. I'm embarrassed to be in such company.
No, because this is more, well, it's actually more for me, but you guys might hate this move.

Speaker 1 But when you get tired in pickup hoops, just saying the wrong score so that you get an extra timeout.

Speaker 1 So everyone has to stop and you have to count everyone's like, who's got, who's got, like, all right, I got two, you got four.

Speaker 1 Just like, just, just kind of like making it a little foggy so you get that extra breath. That's really good.
That's a, that's a big one. That's a great one.
Yeah. That's it.

Speaker 1 And you have to, you can't do it if you haven't scored, though. Because it's very important to be like, well, I have two.
Because there's nothing worse than being like, what does everyone have?

Speaker 1 And you're like, I got zero. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Titus, I have nine.

Speaker 1 It's nine, four. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a good one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 One that came to mind was I've picked up on my neighbors from this is that you can let your dog do whatever the fuck it wants as long as you say, oh my God, he never does this.

Speaker 1 Yep. As he's doing it.
That's a good life hack. So just like let your dog just run fucking wild and, you know, get up all in Stranger's Business and then run over and just say, he's never done this.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, he never does this. I have a buddy that did this who, and it was amazing because it was the funniest thing ever to watch.

Speaker 1 If there was some sort of confrontation from like an older person yelling at you, like, hey, you shouldn't park there or whatever, he would just go, what?

Speaker 1 And the guy be like, you shouldn't park there. What?

Speaker 1 Like, no, you can't. You can't park.
What? Yeah. And then by the fifth or sixth what, he would realize, oh, I get a real Weisenheimer here.

Speaker 1 Buddy, like, don't cold Steve Austin.

Speaker 2 What you just, yeah, exactly. What you just did right there was

Speaker 2 actually the reaction that I think they would get. Once you realize what he's doing, you're like,

Speaker 2 okay. And it's almost like you're exasperated.
You're like, we got an asshole. Okay, buddy.
And then you turn around and walk away. Confrontation's over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's actually.

Speaker 1 And meanwhile, we'd all be sitting around laughing hysterically because we were like, how many whats is he going to get through?

Speaker 2 To that same point, if you ever get, don't get into a fight, bar fights are very dangerous. I've learned that.
Bar fights, they look cool on TV. Bar fights are scary.

Speaker 2 But if you do find yourself in a fight, you know what a good move is? Like right before the fight, somebody's always, you know, you're woofing at each other a little bit.

Speaker 2 The guy says something to you.

Speaker 2 Ask him, be like, what'd you just say? And then as he starts to repeat himself, that's when you punch him. Because he's focused on remembering what he just said.

Speaker 2 He never expects the punch in that situation.

Speaker 1 Here's another one for bar fights. I haven't been in a bar fight in a very, very long time.

Speaker 1 Can we hear about that story? Which one?

Speaker 1 Whoa. Most

Speaker 1 bar fight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I was going to say if you ever get in a bar fight or a situation, don't punch anyone. Just choke them.

Speaker 2 Just go straight to the choke.

Speaker 1 Or just, you know what a good move is to. It's a move that no one expects.
If you just grab someone by the neck. Life act, choke them.
No, it's seriously. Keeping your body pretty tight.

Speaker 1 Because everyone's like, holy shit, is there a choking going on? And then it stops.

Speaker 2 If you double leg somebody and you just take them down and you hold him on the ground,

Speaker 2 eventually while the whole fight is happening around you,

Speaker 2 you and this guy will just be holding each other so long that you'll both get tired. Yep.
And then you'll just kind of like have the gentleman's agreement of, okay, the real fight's over there.

Speaker 2 We're done with our little piece right here.

Speaker 1 Also, yeah. I feel like PMT has been a secret badass pie.
Nobody knew. You started this when you

Speaker 1 broke it down that you could fucking fight us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that was in jest.

Speaker 1 And and then what happened i feel like do we have saruti matched up with hank because i didn't like i didn't like bodied i didn't like saruti's chances in that one hank and then billy was involved i don't forget i forget you don't like the choke move

Speaker 1 it's serious i mean you know playing danger it's gonna get a reaction it really does end things pretty quickly because no one really wants to like have a choke i had a bottle cracked over my head once it sucked i was back up visiting i literally had just walked in from a long road trip.

Speaker 1 So I hadn't even been drinking. And I get in

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 I remember because I had, you know, one of those sick north faces on that we had to have like three different colors of. And

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 somehow something happened, but it was my friend's bar. So I was trying to help.
And then I got like grabbed from behind. And the guy was like, I'm a cop.
I'm a cop. I'm off duty.
I'm off duty.

Speaker 1 And I'm just getting pummeled in the fucking head being like, I was afraid to do anything because I thought a cop had me.

Speaker 1 and then I got hit over the head with a beer bottle which actually if it hits in the right spot it's not that big of a deal and then I turned around and it was just a decent sized patron and I'm like what the fuck did you do and I'm cleaning up the blood on the side of my head I'm like why would you do that and the thing is I wasn't even in pain as much as I was so annoyed that I was like I have been back in town 20 minutes right like this sucks just showed up and I go you know I was trying to help out and I'm you know this and he's like well he goes I thought you were gonna turn around and start hauling on me so I just grabbed you and then I said I was a cop and and he goes it worked and I'm like yeah great and now I have fucking glass in my head and

Speaker 1 I would not try any of those moves.

Speaker 1 Yeah, unless you want to do the cut the fake cop again I cannot endorse pretending to say you're on the job impersonating your officer, but it worked out for him not so much

Speaker 2 stealing valor is never okay. Right.

Speaker 1 Ever. All right, what else we got? We wrap up soon.

Speaker 2 Ryan, did you listen to

Speaker 2 today's podcast? Part of my take? I know you're a big fan.

Speaker 1 well i listened to the whole road trip part of it where billy was talking about uh

Speaker 2 how well the speed carries i'm a big billy fan yeah stem you know um i i was curious if you listened to the one today because you and i share a bond

Speaker 2 icon brothers i too um i i walked into the wrong hotel room in memphis it was double booked and there there were rose petals everywhere and it's tricky because my key worked and i was like all right

Speaker 1 no my key did work it did yeah my key worked I got in and you didn't end up national news or on Facebook for 48 hours did you no did not

Speaker 1 the only other one I had was this is gambling could pivot if if a bet's going bad I like to pretend that I bet on the other team so like the winning bet and see if I can like reverse it that way so I'll do that you do that all the time yeah I do that all the time and also the mental math of gambling is very important your Xbox PlayStation 5 giveaway tweet when a bet is going bad did you not be honest had you seen that anywhere else?

Speaker 1 You straight up invented that on your own.

Speaker 1 So a couple guys in our off, or Jersey Jerry and a couple other people, Stanford Steve got hacked, and John Rostein. I got hacked when I got boxed out.
Really?

Speaker 1 Then I went on a rant and then it was fixed.

Speaker 1 They got hacked like three weeks prior. By the way, it was really weird.
I didn't even notice. After a couple days, I was like, oh, that's right.
I don't have it. That is great.
That's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I saw they actually got hacked. And when they did, I was like, ah, I'm going to use this.
And I was like, this is just going to be in my back pocket whenever something goes bad.

Speaker 1 And people, like, our social team text me every time. They're like, dude, you got hacked.
Gottlieb. Oh, my God.
Gottlieb texts him, right? Yeah. He got leab texts.
He's like, bro, you got hacked.

Speaker 1 I was like, no. I was like, no, Doug.
Wisconsin is losing to Illinois right now very badly. And he's like, no, bro, you got hacked.
I'm like, No, Doug. And he's like, the PS5s?

Speaker 1 I was like, yes, I tweeted that. He's like, I don't know, man.
I was like, I tweeted that.

Speaker 2 Doug's like, who is this?

Speaker 2 Prove that you're Dan Cash.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's a picture of today's newspaper.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a foolproof because everyone just like, and then you just, excuse me, you gotta, like, I just go to sleep after. Just stop.
Don't treat for the rest of the night. Oh, it's great.
I love it.

Speaker 2 I've got one more.

Speaker 2 I've mentioned this one before, but I feel like it needs to be said here because it's really gotten me out of some tough situations back when I had like a corporate job when I was in the real world.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 if you're ever in a a business meeting or talking to your boss and there's something that you did incorrectly or something that you failed to do, instead of saying like, I thought we were supposed to do this, this, and this, say, my understanding was that I was supposed to do this, this, and this.

Speaker 2 It's a great way of saying the exact same thing, but also making it like halfway seem like you have your shit together because you had an understanding.

Speaker 2 They hear people say like, I thought, when you hear, I thought,

Speaker 2 what pops to their head is, here comes an excuse. When you say, my understanding was, they're like, somebody else screwed up.
This guy, this guy used a big word. He's got his shit together.

Speaker 1 I like that. I like that.

Speaker 1 I got nothing. Anything else you guys got? Is that it?

Speaker 1 The only other one I have is when you're golfing, just everyone knows I do this. This is my move.
But just to yell, you're going to love that off the tee for anything. And then it works.

Speaker 1 Even if they have a bad shot, it's funny. Yeah.
Like, oh, you're going to love that when they're clearly in the woods. It always kills.

Speaker 1 I would encourage people to call for more meetings. Now that I've been out in LA for a couple of years, people love fucking meeting.
They love telling you who you could meet with and set up a meeting.

Speaker 1 I would say you should take that back to like the Midwest, Midwest sensibilities, maybe Northeast, Pacific Northwest, American Southwest, turquoise.

Speaker 1 Turquoise. Shout out turquoise.
Just if you're at the office and you're 23, start asking people to meet. Do you ever? Yeah, no, you do feel important when you've got a meeting.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, I got a meeting. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'll still never forget this one intern, like, emailed Greene. This guy was out of control.

Speaker 1 He's the most aggressive intern I've ever seen in my entire life.

Speaker 1 He would just start emailing guys on the corporate email to be like, would like to set aside some time with you for like 30 minutes or whatever. And Greene was like, do I know what?

Speaker 1 And he would like leave the voice out. He's like, why do I have a lunch at 10.45 with that? Did I?

Speaker 1 Did I agree to this? What? And he was so confused. And it happened to Van Pelt.
Van Pelt one time was like, who the fuck is this guy?

Speaker 1 And this intern was just running around ESPN,

Speaker 1 just booking meeting. And he would actually like, he would phrase it in a way that was vague.
Right. So it wasn't like, do you want to meet?

Speaker 1 Because that's like, no, it would be like, was hoping to follow through on the time I had set aside. And you're like, what the fuck is going on? So again, that guy went a little too hard with it.

Speaker 1 And then once everybody kind of figured him out, I think he got a talking to because it was like, hey, I don't think Chris Fowler is going to meet with you anytime soon. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Chris Fowler wouldn't meet with me.

Speaker 1 But don't be afraid to maybe, you know, hey, I'd like like to follow up on something you said here. Yep.
And take that LA sensibility and apply that to other places. I like that.

Speaker 1 Off of that, too, you, my favorite thing to do, and I think most people know this, but like, maybe like the first week of December is the perfect time to be like, let's touch base after New Year's.

Speaker 1 And just fucking push everything. Like, you can start that like the day after Thanksgiving.
Like, like, you know what?

Speaker 1 Let's save this for after New Year's. Hollywood doesn't do vacations.
They shut down like seasonally. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'd be like, hey, like, hey, can you get this in? And I'd be like, why do I have to? And be like, wow, people are going to pick it back on February 12th.

Speaker 1 You're like, what?

Speaker 1 The meeting thing is good, though. It really does make you feel important.
You're like, let's have a meeting. Yeah.
Let's talk about this. Like the meet.

Speaker 2 Do you ever say, have you reached a point in life where you refer to hanging out with somebody as like visiting? Like,

Speaker 2 you know, I visited with this person.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I heard, so I heard an older person say that, and it made it sound like it was such like a quaint quaint experience. I thought, like, maybe I'll start saying, like, yeah, we had a nice visit.

Speaker 1 I'd hold off on that for a bit. Okay.
Yeah, no, that's something. What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 Something I'll aspire to say one day.

Speaker 1 No, visit. There you go.
Making yourself vulnerable again. Yeah, I don't even know how to use it in a sentence.
It sounded so good.

Speaker 1 That's when someone's on hospice. Yes, I know it's

Speaker 1 a good thing.

Speaker 2 Yeah. She was like, I really enjoyed visiting with so-and-so.
I was like, that sounds like way more than just a conversation.

Speaker 1 No, you visit someone to check to make sure they're alive. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. One day.
One day I'll do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they sent us here to be like, is Rosillo,

Speaker 1 is he ever going to come out of his house? Like, we'll go, we'll do a life. I leave.
I leave once, usually once a day. Wow.
Good for you. Leave your house once a day.
That's life advice.

Speaker 2 Get that vitamin D. The sun here is just incredible.
I got sunburned today because I'm just. You look great.
I'm refusing to put on a shirt unless I really have to.

Speaker 1 Do we have any Super Bowl thoughts? I mean, like, are. Well, it's going after, but

Speaker 1 it really looks stupid. You want to do it real quick? Real quick.

Speaker 1 Last two minutes. Let's look stupid.
I don't know. It's just, it's hard living in L.A.
and having just an entire city rallying behind a team like they're at the Rams.

Speaker 1 Like, have you seen people in the streets like high-five? I don't leave this area.

Speaker 1 I haven't seen this city buzzing for the Rams since Chip Kelly was hired. Like, the city has not buzzed for anything.
Really?

Speaker 1 It's more than Mick Cronin? It's like Mick Cronin, Chip Kelly.

Speaker 1 No, I. Is this the greatest collection of winners L.A.'s ever had? Whose city is this?

Speaker 1 No, if it's going out, who gives a shit then?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Is it a bad sports town no not at all it's anybody that thinks that la

Speaker 1 dude the lakers thing is as intense as any single fan base anywhere it's a bad sports town and i'll tell you why uh if you go to a bar

Speaker 1 there's not a guarantee like it pick a bar you're it's not a guarantee they're showing a game yeah that would drive me nuts how is that not

Speaker 1 That's like on a Saturday, you can't. It's open and closed right there.
Like a Saturday, you have to walk in and be like, you got college football in there? Like, what is it? Right.

Speaker 1 All right, that's fine, but I'm just saying

Speaker 1 there's this belief that like no one cares about stuff out here. No, they'll fight.
Like, Dodgers fans will fight you.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the Lakers thing is crazy, and half the Lakers thing is like only Kobe. Right.
Like, I could argue that Kobe,

Speaker 1 Kobe's relevance to this city, the connection,

Speaker 1 I don't, I'm trying to think, like, I guess you could say Jeter,

Speaker 1 but that doesn't feel as tight as the Kobe thing. Like, it feels like 1950s, like Mickey Mantle shit, where, like, literally every kid that grew up in any borough,

Speaker 1 you know, Granted Brooklyn probably had some problems with it because he's, you know, losing the Dodgers, but now we're doing a little history lesson. And then

Speaker 1 Marvin Miller. So you guys even get to joke.
That's how bad it was.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I don't know. Like, I would put Kobe on whatever.
There's not five people in modern sports that are more connected to the way a city loves them than Kobe in L.A. And I'd agree with that.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Ryan, thank you for hosting us.
Sorry it took, Sorry we went long. That was fun.
It was about 45 minutes? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Half hour.

Speaker 1 This is actually just the intro. You want to do the ad and then we'll get to the show? Two, seven parts.

Speaker 1 I love doing this. I love doing it.
Do you guys have fun doing it? I have fun doing it. I have fun doing it.

Speaker 1 We should do it more often.

Speaker 1 And yeah,

Speaker 1 maybe do it on someone else's home turf at some point. Let's fucking do it.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 Anytime you guys want us.

Speaker 1 What are we complaining about? You guys had to come here?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 1 I'm saying we do it on someone else's podcast.

Speaker 1 We don't want to solely receive it. Yeah, well, I'm in.

Speaker 1 Or in.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Ryan, I have one last question.
Do you, are we friends? Are all of us, do you consider us your friend? Question.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably just Dan, though. Okay.

Speaker 1 That's fair. But what about that? What about the Rockets

Speaker 1 Lakers game?

Speaker 1 That was bad. I mean, that was a really bad pick.

Speaker 1 They lost that like 20. That was a great call.
That was a shit. It was so bad.
They lost 20.

Speaker 2 And what I just did right there was a callback.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 but I'm just a callback and a callback. Was like, this is going to be the easiest money you ever made.
Easiest money you ever. Not many people gave up Mississippi State AM, though.
That's true. Facts.

Speaker 2 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Talk it away.

Speaker 1 I don't know what I'm to say. I'll say it anyway.

Speaker 1 Today is another day to find you shying away.

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for your love, okay? And

Speaker 1 take

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 me,

Speaker 1 take

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 all.

Speaker 1 I'll

Speaker 1 be

Speaker 1 gone

Speaker 1 in a day or two

Speaker 1 So needless to say

Speaker 1 I'm odds and ends

Speaker 1 But that's me I'm stumbling away

Speaker 1 Slowly learning that life is okay. And

Speaker 1 say after me,

Speaker 1 it's no better to be safe than sorry. And

Speaker 1 take

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 me,

Speaker 1 take

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 off.

Speaker 1 I'll

Speaker 1 be

Speaker 1 gone

Speaker 1 in a tale

Speaker 1 to

Speaker 1 And all things that you say

Speaker 1 is it live or

Speaker 1 just to play my worries away.

Speaker 1 You're all the things I've got to remember. You're shying away.

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 1 Take

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 Take

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 I'll be

Speaker 1 God

Speaker 1 in a day or two

Speaker 1 I'll be

Speaker 1 God

Speaker 1 in a day or

Speaker 1 two

Speaker 1 in a day or two.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. Thank you guys.
Thank you.