Braxton Berrios, The Cardinals Suck & Rovell Is Not Racist

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Speaker 4 On today's part of my take, we finish off Super Wildcard weekend. Rams kick the shit out of the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 We have some hot seat cool throne. We have Braxton Berrios all pro Braxton Berrios in studio.
Super Bowl champion Braxton. Super Bowl champion Braxton Berrios.

Speaker 4 It's always fun to have someone come in in studio. So it was great to catch up with him.
Great interview. Very cool guy.
And then we finish with FAQs.

Speaker 4 That was the question. That was the first interview.
We're finishing off with FAQs. A lot of hot questions coming through today.
FAQs. All right, before we get to all of that,

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Speaker 4 Today is Wednesday, January 19th, and the Arizona Cardinals are frauds. Absolute frauds.
They made me so mad watching that game. Terrible.
I was offended watching the Cardinals last night.

Speaker 4 I think everybody who's a sports fan has a right to be pissed off at the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 I was so mad at myself because everyone does this when watching sports or gambling on sports.

Speaker 4 You have an opinion, you have a strong opinion, and then at the very last second, you go against your strong opinion for no real good reason. I've been,

Speaker 4 this podcast has been forefront in the Arizona Cardinals are frauds for the better half of two months now. Cliff Kingsbury fades down the stretch.
Kyler Murray, you want to say he's injured, whatever.

Speaker 4 I don't care. They just don't, they're just not a like upper echelon football team.
And then right before, I was like, ooh, these teams know each other.

Speaker 4 three and a half points the road team won both games this year this one's going to be tight and it was instant you knew instantly that the cardinals were going to get their asses kicked and then we had the beautiful kyler murray carson went play where uh i don't know what the fuck he was thinking he was about to take a safety well the thing is like It was bad that he threw it away, that he threw that interception.

Speaker 4 That's really bad. The worst part of that play is that he spent about four and a half seconds in the end zone, just hanging out.
Yes. Hoping that nothing bad was going to happen to him.

Speaker 4 Then he feels the heat on his back. And by the way, Kyler Murray's gotten slower.
He was getting chased down by linebackers. So he might be injured.

Speaker 4 He might be injured, but he was getting chased down from behind by guys that were about 150 pounds heavier than him on a regular basis. Maybe not 100, but like 100 pounds heavier.

Speaker 4 He's also gotten softer. He blocked me on Twitter.

Speaker 4 I also saw that he blocked Greg McElroy on Twitter. So I think he just left the game and started blocking people.
I didn't at him. And he's gotten slower, too.
Yes.

Speaker 4 He's gotten slower, softer, and shorter.

Speaker 4 Yes, all the bad things he probably doesn't that that's i'll just say it it it's if it were uh someone that i would want to have on the show i would have not tweeted that they blocked me

Speaker 4 um i've seen kyler murray that dan patrick interview i i'm okay with him not coming on the show didn't we have kyler murray lined up for an interview at a super bowl and it was right after he did the dan patrick interview yeah and then i think his agent was like you know what kyler's

Speaker 4 not right now we're not ready i i so i just pulled up his profile he does not block me but um Jake was saying that we should compile an all-blocked list. Yeah.
Like the best players

Speaker 4 at each position for part of my take overall. So, so far, we have Kyler Murray as QB1, now that Big Ben doesn't block us anymore.
Correct. Antonio Brown at wide receiver.

Speaker 4 OJ at running back.

Speaker 4 Who else? Who else? Any notable blocks out there? Probably should have done some research before we did this.

Speaker 4 That was stupid. Not one that comes off the top.
Sorry. No, no.

Speaker 4 Sorry. I'm sorry for being stupid.
No, no, it's not. I'm not blaming you.
It's just we just we have three that we know of. That's a good start though.
That's all block list. That's a good start.

Speaker 4 I wouldn't even know how to figure out.

Speaker 4 It was, I got tagged in a tweet and I looked at his profile this morning. I was like, wait, he blocks me? And then the Greg McElroy thing makes me think that he literally got home last night.

Speaker 4 I also, I'm going to give Kyler an out. I'm going to give him a very easy out.

Speaker 4 It feels like maybe his dad runs his Twitter account for him and was maybe just watching the game and watching everyone just shit on him. And again, I didn't at him.

Speaker 4 It wasn't like targeted harassment. I just simply asked the question, is he okay? Does he have eyeballs?

Speaker 4 Because there were moments in the game last night where it felt like he just, I don't know what was going on. He looked drunk.
It was bad. The entire offense looked at us thinking.

Speaker 4 Even on the plays where Kyler Murray was escaping from pressure and finding a guy like seven, eight yards running open downfield, if he was able to hit him in stride, the receiver was just dropping it.

Speaker 4 And there was like, it reminded me so much of those teams that you see where, like, the only explanation for why things go bad is that somebody had sex with somebody else's girlfriend or wife.

Speaker 4 Like, remember, it was at the 98 U.S. World Cup team? Yes.
And then, ever since that happened, that rumor gets brought up every time a team starts to suck.

Speaker 4 There's a maybe Cliff was sleeping with somebody because the entire team looked like they just didn't want to be.

Speaker 4 The only person who looked like they wanted to be there was probably, well, it was a kicker. Yeah.
Helping those smelling salts. Matt Crater legend.

Speaker 4 Taking that extra, that 55-yarder that was a very sad field goal i it was so bad that i actually said to myself the cardinals are so bad tonight not even matt stafford can fuck this up you know what i mean because if you're a rams fan what are you doing when you're going into the playoffs you're like we have everything we have all the skill positions cam acres is back aaron donald's is going to wreck games it's essentially just comes down to will matt stafford blow it in a big moment if he doesn't you could win the super bowl if he does you're screwed and it got so, like, I'm not even saying when it was, whatever, whatever it was, the score was, what, 21, was it 28-0?

Speaker 4 Yeah. I'm not even saying then.
I'm saying when it was 14-0. I was like, the Cardinals are so bad that Matt Stafford cannot screw this up.
He's going to get his first playoff win. And

Speaker 4 I don't know what you do if you're a Cardinals going forward.

Speaker 4 You can't, it's very hard to, like, make a big change because you made the playoffs. There was a point in time in this season that you were the best team in the football.

Speaker 4 But man, there's a lot of questions with Cliff Kingsbury. I actually threw this out there today, PFT.
I want to hear what you have to say.

Speaker 4 I would be more confident if I were a Cardinals or a Cowboys fan if our defensive coordinator was the head coach and not the head coach.

Speaker 4 Okay, so I was actually just about to say when you were like, how do you fix this team? I think that this is the type of team that you do the thing where you hire a Vic Fangio. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Where you go with a defensive coordinator. Fangios has been great.
Yeah, you hire a defensive guy. You zig while everybody else zags.
You can't like rebuild by hiring a great defensive mind.

Speaker 4 That just doesn't work. I just don't know.
Because you need a quarterback to take you to the next level. Your offense is awesome once you have Hopkins still out there.
Yeah. And everybody's healthy.

Speaker 4 But it's fine.

Speaker 4 Your offense is going to be fine, I think, as long as you have an average offensive coordinator. If you have like a defensive mastermind leading that team, I think that's the way that you got to go.

Speaker 4 You hire somebody that maybe you hire Dan Quinn.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I just, it feels like every time the Cardinals, they are very reminiscent of like watching a triple option offense in that you know within the first five minutes, is this going to work or is it not?

Speaker 4 And like the Cardinals, you know, like, is their offense going to work tonight or is it not? And then they just don't change it.

Speaker 4 You know, like they, it felt like they couldn't block anyone, and then they just kept on having Kyler drop back and throw it deep.

Speaker 4 And it was like, what's every time you do this, it ends up in disaster. Yeah, I'm going to be the body language police on Kyler Murray.
Don't like the body language. Well, did you see the bad body?

Speaker 4 He looks like he's on sedatives when he goes on the sidelines. He's not talking to anybody.
He's not screaming at anybody. They always say, like, you want a guy that'll grab somebody by the face mask.

Speaker 4 I think that's a little bit aggressive. I don't think you have to grab a guy by his face mask all the time.
But Kyler's just like...

Speaker 4 He's a loner on the sidelines, which is fine if you're a punter or a kicker or a nerd that nobody's supposed to care about.

Speaker 4 So Jeremy Fowler on ESPN said that he actually said before the game, he said, talk to a veteran Seahawks player who said he didn't like Arizona this week because the Cardinals had bad body language in the Seattle game.

Speaker 4 There we go. Cardinals loaded up on veteran leaders to instill toughness, but it's not enough.
There we go.

Speaker 4 I actually think that there is something to the body language experts out there that are able to read that. Like, you can have certain players.

Speaker 4 I think the list of players that it's okay for them to have bad body language or to not talk to people on the sidelines, it would be a kicker, a punter, or like a psycho linebacker that nobody talks to because they're afraid they're going to get murdered.

Speaker 4 Like, don't talk to the Gama Dassault. Yeah, don't talk to James Harrison on the sidelines because he'll rip out one of his acupuncture needles and brain you with it.

Speaker 4 Right, and the Gama Dassault will step on your throat or your hand and say it was an accident. Yeah, Aaron Donald will choke you.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't punch the guy. Aaron Donald punched and choked.
Yes,

Speaker 4 he's in playoff mode. He's in beast mode.
It feels like he's in playoffs. He's like, I'm just going to start punching people.
Yeah. Fucking them up.

Speaker 4 I do think that we should acknowledge Matt Stafford, though, for not fucking it up. Yeah, no, he deserves credit for it.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 He could have fucked it up, but they made it very tough on him to do that.

Speaker 4 Monkey is off the back of Matt Stafford right now. And they won a game where Cooper Cup wasn't exceptional.
You know what I mean? Cooper Cup didn't have an insane night like he's had this season.

Speaker 4 And Odell, Higby, and Cam Akers.

Speaker 4 Cam Akers coming back in five months from an Achilles is crazy. Have we figured that out? Was it a partially torn Achilles?

Speaker 4 Because five months, it was like 175 days since he tore it it's that's way more impressive than jj watt coming back in 12 weeks with a torn label healthy yeah no it was very obvious that he wasn't fully healthy now that we're a bonk free zone on this podcast i i can admit let your freak flag fly yeah let it let it all hang out um i had like the same injury that jj watt had back in 2011 i got surgery on it and everything 12 weeks after i had the surgery i couldn't even jack off and he's out there in an nfl game like running there's no way that he was 100 granted i think he has better.

Speaker 4 He's going to switch hands. I think he, what, go with a stranger? Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't know. It's not the same.
I mean, you definitely did. It's not, no.
You just didn't jerk off for 12 weeks. Correct.
That's crazy. Yeah.
No nut. Okay.
Whatever month it was. There's just no way.

Speaker 4 Yeah. No nut.
No nut autumn.

Speaker 4 Billy, as pro. That was like a

Speaker 4 scratch.

Speaker 4 As bro football doc,

Speaker 4 what's the status of Cam Akers Achilles? How was he able to come back so quick?

Speaker 7 Dude, I don't know what these guys are doing nowadays, but modern science has it down to a T.

Speaker 4 HGH.

Speaker 4 I don't think it was anything special. I don't think he was healthy.
Like, I don't think he was. No, I meant Cam Akers.
Oh, Cam Akers. Cam Akers was really healthy.
J.J. Watt was not.

Speaker 4 So you think Cam Akers did HGH?

Speaker 7 I think they're all doing HGH.

Speaker 4 Got it. Okay.
But it was really impressive watching him be able to. He had that burst.
Yeah, no, he left like a very good. He said he felt like great again.
Yeah, playoff Cam. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 And now we're set. That was not the best Super Wildcard weekend, I think we can all say.

Speaker 4 There was one close game that was a ref show, four blowouts, and one close game that was close because both teams just didn't want to win.

Speaker 4 We didn't really have a memorable, oh my God, that game was awesome. Like, I'm glued to my TV type of game.

Speaker 4 I have a question for all the AWLs out there because I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer on this yet, but I noticed Cam Makers had the same almost towel hanging out from his backside that Kyle Jushek had for the 49ers.

Speaker 4 It's like a skinny towel that it looks like he cut up himself. It doesn't really serve any purpose.
It's not a strap for his uniform, for his pads or anything like that. It just hangs out the back.

Speaker 4 We were talking about Jushek's on the stream on Sunday. It's almost like a decoy for somebody

Speaker 4 and try to tackle.

Speaker 4 It's a rabbit. It's a lizard tail

Speaker 4 that comes off and you're able to run away with it. Speaking of which, I can't get enough of the stretchy shirts.
It's so cool when that happens. When a guy's just,

Speaker 4 when they try to tackle a guy and he's 10 feet away from his shirt. Yeah, the shirt like unravels as he's running away.

Speaker 4 It's just, yeah, that probably, there's probably some type of shirt technology they're using as well. Yeah.
Anti-tackle shirt technology. Shout out also to OBJ's dad.
Great job. Great father.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Getting him in a position that he can succeed. Like, I actually thought halfway through the season, why is Odell asking to be freed? We all did.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because we saw him play in Cleveland, and it wasn't that he was playing well and Baker wasn't finding him. It was that he was just unable to catch the ball

Speaker 4 at times in Cleveland. And then he gets to LA and all of a sudden he's really, really good again.

Speaker 4 I did see there were some people who were like, this just proves that it's all about fit in the NFL and like right place, right time, right teammates, scheme, everything. That is true to an extent.

Speaker 4 Odell also has, at times, not helped himself. True.
And in terms of like teammate and, you know, whatever. So it's both things can be true at the same time.

Speaker 4 Odell was in the wrong fit, wrong scheme, wrong everything, but he also wasn't exactly like an A-plus model teammate at times. Right.

Speaker 4 With Cliff Kingsbury, with the shine coming off the star of Cliff, as we've seen the last two winners in a row, do you think Ryan Rosillo has to like eat his column?

Speaker 4 He's probably down bad. He's probably down bad.
He probably stayed over at Ross King's house last night after the game. He'll probably keep.

Speaker 4 You got to stay strong, I think. But between this and Chris Paul,

Speaker 4 who's a total chokehard? They should just both live with Ryan. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, he's, you know, just keep. I think you just got to stick with it.
You got to stick with it through thick and thin and hope that you come out the other side unscathed. There's a blame Kyler.

Speaker 4 That's what I would do. If I were Russell, give any advice, blame Kyler, get blocked by Kyler, and then be like, free Cliff.
Kyler, you can't win with Kyler.

Speaker 4 Can you do that with a coach frequently, get him to a different situation?

Speaker 4 That's actually kind of how Cliff Kingsbury's entire career has gone, where he gets a job somewhere, performs mediocrely at it, and then fails upward into a much better job. Correct.

Speaker 4 So, where do we need to get Cliff in a perfect position? I think he needs to go.

Speaker 4 You know what he needs to do? Rodgers to Denver, Cliff to Denver. He needs to

Speaker 4 coach Aaron Rodgers, where he doesn't really have to coach. Yeah, that would be a good fit for him.
No offense to Matt LaFour. We like him.

Speaker 4 I think that would be a good fit for Cliff if he were to just inherit Aaron Rogers. Best quarterback in the NFL.
Yes. All right, so divisional rounds set.
Awesome game set.

Speaker 4 We will do a preview on Friday of all of those games. Before we get to hot seat cool thrown, I did want to make a quick announcement.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry to everyone here

Speaker 4 that people think a white guy can't enjoy black history. Well, yeah, that was going to be my hot seat.
But, I mean, Darren Revelle, maybe the greatest cell phone 24 hours of all time.

Speaker 4 No, he's the least racist white person in history. Well, he literally has a card signed by Rosa Parks.
It's like him and Thomas Jefferson. Yeah.

Speaker 4 When you think of white guys that are racist, but not really racist. So it's Darren Revell.
He has an autographed in double ACP at Rosa Park's card. Which is not autographed.
It's literally you sign,

Speaker 4 it's like saying your driver's license is autographed. Yeah, no, it's not.
It's not an autograph. It's autographed.
Yeah. He got it signed by her.

Speaker 4 So, so for people who don't live online, this actually is a time that it's worth bringing him up because it's very, very funny. He has

Speaker 4 over nine pieces of MLK memorabilia, which actually just means he has 10. Yeah, over nine was

Speaker 4 over nine. And he showed it off on Martin Luther King Jr.
Day, and everyone's like, dude, this is kind of weird because one of the pieces was a log from when Martin Luther King Jr.

Speaker 4 was in jail and he had to sign the log to

Speaker 4 receive his mail.

Speaker 4 And he's like, look how cool this is. And everyone's like, that's kind of weird, dude, when he was like

Speaker 4 wrongfully imprisoned and now. And they're telling him to donate it.
And they're telling him to donate he said he should donate it. And then he went even further and he was like,

Speaker 4 Well, I bought it from the warden of the jail, which is like, that's even more exploitative.

Speaker 4 And then he tweeted and deleted that you can't call him racist because he owns an extensive Martin Luther. Some of his best memorabilia is black, and also he has black friends.

Speaker 4 He has several black friends. Yes, he has upward over.
Capitalized black. Yes.
He has over nine black friends, according to Darren Revelle.

Speaker 4 It was so funny because then he hopped in the University of Miami Twitter spaces and defended

Speaker 4 his MLK because

Speaker 8 I have

Speaker 8 over nine MLK signed items. I am a humongous fan of what he's done.

Speaker 8 And over the last seven years, I've collected a lot of things. It's not only MLK, it's a lot of black history.
I own a Rosa Parks

Speaker 8 signed NAACP card.

Speaker 8 So it was pretty shocking today how I was called racist

Speaker 9 when

Speaker 8 I am a student and lover of black history. And

Speaker 8 I never expected the reaction that I got today.

Speaker 8 I'm sorry if people think that a white man can't enjoy black history.

Speaker 8 I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 I really am. I'm sorry if people think that a white man can't

Speaker 8 love Martin Luther King. But to me, that seems pretty counterintuitive.

Speaker 8 You got me?

Speaker 4 So, yeah. And then at the end, when he signs off, he goes, You got that? Yeah.
And they're like, yeah, okay, Darren. We got that.
Understand.

Speaker 4 He talks about his MLK merchandise like it's shoes. Like he has, it's it's actually him being like, I got the largest collection of off-whites this side of the Mississippi.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then he's like, I bet you, I bet you Darren Revelle is considered, at least,

Speaker 4 NFTing the I Have a Dream speech. Of course.

Speaker 4 You know what he'll do? He'll NFT the black square that people put on their Instagram when everybody did the media blackout last year.

Speaker 4 Darren Revelle will NFT that black square and then claim that he's the true leader of the modern civil rights movement. I just want to know how, like, he's showing this.

Speaker 4 He feels feels comfortable showing this. He's definitely got some fucked up stuff.
Yes. He's like, have you seen American Beauty? Yeah.
He's got some collections like that.

Speaker 4 He's got like Muhammad Atta's cell phone behind this. And he's like, well, it's just, he's an interesting person.
Yeah. On this day in history, American Airlines stock dropped 20%.

Speaker 4 Fuck, man.

Speaker 4 It's so weird because, you know, and this is going to...

Speaker 4 This is going to sound stupid because I'm basically admitting that I follow Darren Revella on not one, but two platforms, but I do follow him on Instagram.

Speaker 4 I remember last week, he was like showing off one of his MLK

Speaker 4 pieces of MLK memorabilia, and I remember thinking, oh, he's going to tweet about this on Monday, and it's not going to go well. And then that exact same thing happened.
So it's like,

Speaker 4 it's almost a cell phone for myself where I'm like, I follow him on two platforms that I know when he's about to slip up, but him slipping up here was the most obvious thing of all time.

Speaker 4 I just, I don't follow him at all on anything because

Speaker 4 my life as it revolves around Darren Revelle is basically like

Speaker 4 other people will tell me when Darren Revelle is fucking up. And by the way, the whole I won't, I will fight him, you guys talked me out of fighting him.
I heard you wouldn't. No, I won't.

Speaker 4 You personally told me, don't fight him. I heard you wouldn't.

Speaker 4 I thought you said,

Speaker 4 I don't want to fight him because he probably could kick my ass. You literally said,

Speaker 4 I don't want you to fight him because that's what Darren wants.

Speaker 4 Yes, that's true. I will fight Darren Revelle.
I required no money to do it. If I beat him, Darren has to donate his entire MLK collection.
Won't happen.

Speaker 4 All 10 pieces of it and his autographed Rosa Parks NAACP rookie card. He actually has to donate it to the Smithsonian.
I want no money.

Speaker 4 I just want to beat him and make American history a little bit better. He actually has a card that if someone's like, hey, dude, you're racist.
He's like, nope. Rosa Parks NAACP card right here.

Speaker 4 Mint condition. Like, I have it.
It's an I'm not racist card yeah all it just I

Speaker 4 this is gonna sound crazy and I'm sure I'll change my opinion in a week but I actually just like watching this all unfold

Speaker 4 I think his

Speaker 4 I think he actually is a net positive on society just because of how terribly out of touch and insanely hilarious his unintentional comedy is.

Speaker 4 Like he's actually reached a level where I enjoy him getting dunked on. He's Sean Bradley, who's, I think he got hit by a car, right? So that's probably bad reference to use.
He's Bryant Reeves.

Speaker 4 There we go. Yep.
Or

Speaker 4 Rick Smiths. Yeah, he's Rick Smith.
He gets dunked on for sport at this time. Yeah.
At this point.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 I think it's just remarkable that Darren has been able to be consistent in this for his entire career. Like, he has not evolved.
He has not changed a bit.

Speaker 4 Considering the amount of negative feedback that he's gotten whenever he fucks up, he just hasn't changed. He has not taken anything.
He has not learned any lessons online.

Speaker 4 And I think that's actually an admirable thing. His brain can't compute.
Like he can't.

Speaker 4 I watched as people were trying to break it down for him, being like, you own a piece of history that shows like when Martin Luther King was in jail, it's not his autograph.

Speaker 4 He literally had to sign just to get correspondence. This should be in a museum.
You own it. And you owned it.
to turn a profit one day because that's what he does with all of his memorabilia.

Speaker 4 It's fucked up.

Speaker 4 And he's like, no, love i just love black history i'm sorry that a white man can love martin luther king jr and he was like i i just love everything that he's done well oh yeah name three of his speeches um but he did give us jake which is nice that's what i was gonna say i would not have a job here without him yeah so he's a net positive on society i don't think he should like you know there's no cancel darren revell he's no i want him to just keep doing i want him to keep living exactly how he thinks he should be living because he's he's sideshow bob stepping on a rake like every month he will will do this.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you guys brought me in to troll him, and here we are almost three years later. So we need to get you Thurgood Marshall.
No, we should get Jake.

Speaker 4 We should get Jake to like collect, I don't know, maybe Jewish history, pieces of Jewish history that you can show off to him. Work on it.

Speaker 4 But yeah, no, we need to get you to collect something rare that's like, what is this guy doing?

Speaker 9 I'll think of something unique.

Speaker 4 Very weird guy. I'm just glad that he didn't go JFK.

Speaker 4 He's definitely got some fucking bloodied lapel. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's what I'm saying. This is not.
He felt comfortable showing this. You know, he's got some fucked up stuff.
Very. He has to.

Speaker 4 Well, actually, I think Ravel might be so out of touch and clueless that he shows everything. It might be one of those what you see is what you get with Darren.
Yeah. It's just shitty.
Like

Speaker 4 what you see is what you get, and it just happens to be what you get with Darren is just a clueless, out-of-touch weirdo.

Speaker 4 He recently bought a Hugh Hefner Viagra bottle. No, a prescription, right? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was a pill. Viagra was the pill bottle.
Yeah, yeah. So, what a weird, weird guy.

Speaker 4 But I actually have come out on the other end where I'm like, I'm happy he exists because he provides unintentional comedy that you can't, like, no one else does what he does to that level.

Speaker 4 Like, last night was so funny watching him try to defend everyone.

Speaker 4 His defense was literally, some of my best memorabilia is black.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 that's what he was yelling about.

Speaker 4 It's black memorabilia that he's also holding hostage from American museums.

Speaker 7 Are we sure that was actually him in the Twitter streets last night?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so Billy, you think for an instant that if he had been going viral for his defense of his black memorabilia, you think that if that was a fake, Darren would have just sat back and not said anything?

Speaker 4 That's when getting too woke is bad. Yeah, he would have.
You're like, that's not really Darren River. He would have instantly been like, that's not me.

Speaker 4 I actually own over 20 pieces of MLK memorabilia.

Speaker 7 Because it was so bad I didn't believe it.

Speaker 4 No, it was one of those things.

Speaker 4 That's what I'm saying. His unintentional comedy is off the charts.

Speaker 4 It's incredible at this point.

Speaker 4 I hope he never stops. Yeah, because

Speaker 4 he still doesn't know that he did anything wrong. At all.
He's like,

Speaker 4 the internet's being mean to me again.

Speaker 4 Wait till I sell this. this

Speaker 4 bullet casing from Martin Luther King's assassination for $7 billion, and I'll be having the last laugh. I have an autographed letter from the director of the FBI telling MLK to kill himself.

Speaker 4 How can I be racist? Yes, yes. This will someday pay for my kids' college.

Speaker 4 All right, let's get to Hot Seat Cool.

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Speaker 4 Hot seat cool throne. My hot seat is Philadelphia Eagles fans.
Oh,

Speaker 4 tough, tough weekend for if you're an Eagles fan. You guys got absolutely shit pumped In the playoffs, you're out.
Tom Brady's your daddy. And then a video surfaced of.

Speaker 4 You're addicted to developing enemies. Like, you can't go longer.
You're not developing enemies. Yeah, but you're pre-existing.
But you're like, you're poking an open wound. No, I have no choice.

Speaker 4 I have to just go with what happens in the world and comment on it on this podcast. It just so happened that this Eagles fan was in, I believe it must have been Las Vegas.
Yes.

Speaker 4 There was a Michael Jackson impersonator, and the Eagles fan, as an Eagles fan does, picked a fight with him, started throwing punches at them out of nowhere. He's an Eagles fan.

Speaker 4 And then the Michael Jackson impersonator just absolutely beat the shit out of him. Like he rear naked him, brought him to the ground, reared naked, choked him,

Speaker 4 which was just a funny visual because it's like Michael Jackson impersonator. Oh, boom, this guy should be in the UFC.
He, do you think

Speaker 4 people should respect the tap even in the wild, right? Yes. Like the whole time I was watching that video, I was like, dude, tap.
Just bro, tap, tap out. Tap out.

Speaker 4 I think a guy like that who obviously had MMA training would have respected the tap in that situation because the guy took him down with the old like step around the back and then throw him, use your body as a lever, and then he positioned himself correctly.

Speaker 4 So, in his mind, Michael Jackson was in an

Speaker 4 UFC fight. Yes, that's as close as he'll ever get to the octagon.
So, yeah, if you tap, I think he stands up, he goes back to his corner, moves on.

Speaker 4 You know, also shout out that fan because his shirt was incredible. It had two Eagles fans at a urinal pissing, and then a Cowboys fan shitting in the urinal and said, Can't fix stupid.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 that's good. That's a good burn.
That's just an old school, awesome rivalry burn. Yep.

Speaker 4 And then my cool throne, these jumpsuits, first of all, we're all wearing them. Me, PFT, Billy, Jake wearing the jumpsuits.
Yeah, I did a little photo shoot, posted some pictures.

Speaker 4 A lot of people were asking where we can get them. You can get them on the Marshall Sports store.

Speaker 4 And then my other cool throne is just humanity.

Speaker 4 Humanity. Well, not actually.

Speaker 4 Except for Eagles fans. Except for Eagles fans.

Speaker 4 And Elon Musk thinks that there's going to have a population collapse and the world's going to end. Oh, sick.
All right. Yeah.
I mean, don't we need to kind of thin out the herd a little bit? Damn.

Speaker 4 A lot of stupid people out there running around that you can't fix. Yeah, especially in Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's it. I didn't mean to go so hard on it for Billy.
Eagles fans, but.

Speaker 7 No, we're just going to make robots.

Speaker 4 What? Robots. Robots are going to replace people.
Yeah. Wouldn't there be a robot problem?

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 4 I'd be fine with that. Darren Revelle would never get in trouble again on Twitter.
Well, yeah. I mean, Darren Revelle is a robot.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 He would literally, like, people would be like, good point, Darren. So, Hank, can you power rank your current rivalries you have going on right now between fan bases?

Speaker 4 Which ones are the meanest to you? Eagles fans, for sure. Yeah.
Are they the same as Sixers fans? Yeah. Yeah.
Philadelphia as a whole. As a whole, yeah.
Bills fans

Speaker 4 have been very mean. I think it's more fair, though.
There is much more of a rivalry there. You know, the Eagles, the Eagles fans, I don't understand.
Like, we beat the Eagles in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 They beat us in the Super Bowl one to one. Eagles fans act like they just have complete domination

Speaker 4 and despite the fact that's the only Super Bowl they've won in like a thousand years,

Speaker 4 which just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah.
Bills fans, there are some Bills fans that are like, hey, you know, not all Bills fans are mean. We like you, blah, blah, blah.
Oh, they're coming in peace?

Speaker 4 Bills fan coming in peace? No, there's not been a single Philadelphia person that's coming. The slate of the peace.
I love that. Of course not.
I don't want them to. Yeah.
Fuck that. Be who you are.

Speaker 4 All right, PFT, your hot seat cool thrown. My hot seat is cake.

Speaker 4 Yep. My two.
I put cake on the hot seat because, well, well, Andy Reid really put cake on the hot seat.

Speaker 4 They asked Andy if the Chiefs have the same championship hunger, and his answer was: if you have a piece of

Speaker 4 chocolate cake and you see another dangling in front of you, you're going to want it. That's how you feel about the Super Bowl.
It is the ultimate chocolate cake. Yep.
And

Speaker 4 Andy Reid, he just thinks of everything his life as it's related to food. It's the NFL.

Speaker 4 I had the entire NFL on the hot seat for that same reason that once Andy figures out the perfect analogy for wanting to win another Super Bowl, you're screwed.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he said earlier this month, I love how this team works together like I love a big piece of prime rib. So everything for him is like it's a everything is a food.

Speaker 4 So like a touchdown, I'd say like a touchdown is a sandwich, like a hero sandwich to him. But he gets very

Speaker 4 into his food metaphors. And once he starts thinking about food, he physically gets hungry.
And then he's going to mentally get hungry. And then the entire NFL next thing you know is in trouble.
Yes.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 I mean fucking Andy. He's the best.
He's the best. My cool throne is Stephen A.
Smith

Speaker 4 because he came in hot to celebrate the Cowboys epic collapse on Sunday. He put on the cowboy hat.
He did everything. He danced around.
He was laughing at all the fans who were in misery.

Speaker 4 And the entire time I'm watching Stephen A. Smith, I think just one thing.

Speaker 4 He really, truly has an audience of one. for all this celebration.
Yes. And that's Skip Bayless.
Yes. He is sending,

Speaker 4 he's not sub-tweeting Skip Bayless. He is sub-living everything at Skip Bayless.
His entire life is a sub-tweet to Skip Bayless because he misses him so much.

Speaker 4 And they miss their debates together. You can try to convince yourself in line and be like, no, Skip really likes debating against Dan Orlovsky.
No, Skip really likes debating against Max Kellerman.

Speaker 4 Nothing is going to replace the void that Skip Bayless left in his life. And I hope to God that I live to see the day where they reunite on TV again.

Speaker 4 Because there's an entire generation right now of kids that's coming through high school, coming through college, that never got to live through a Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless debate show.

Speaker 4 And you have no idea how great it was. Yeah.
No, you're right. It was, he put on, he put on an A-plus performance off of COVID, too.
It was his first time back. He was hospitalized.
He almost died.

Speaker 4 Yes. Stephen A.
Smith said,

Speaker 4 I would have died if it wasn't for. He said, because of the vaccine, right? Vax Kelleman.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was literally saying he was on death's door um and thank god that we didn't lose the cowboys losing brought him back to life that's probably he yeah he probably willed himself back to health because he's like i'm not going to die

Speaker 4 before i see mike mccarthy run a draw with 14 seconds left in the game i need to be around for that but i just the moral of the story is um

Speaker 4 i just really hope that that skip and stephen a get back together did you see there was a lot of people who got fooled by the uh analytics tweet that Mike McCarthy, like it was a fake quote that Mike McCarthy, that was what the analytics called for, the draw play there?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 I got duped by that. Yeah, so people are shaming others for getting duped by that.
I think it's the opposite. It's that Mike McCarthy is so bad that that becomes believable.

Speaker 4 That's a shame on Mike McCarthy. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Like that's so...

Speaker 4 The fact that there was multiple people who thought that was real, that's not your fault. That is Mike McCarthy's fault.
That's a dangerous route because we catch a lot of strays with that, too.

Speaker 4 What do you mean? When, like, if a story comes out about parcel sports that's just like completely made up about something. Yeah, but this is a harmless one.
And then every real one.

Speaker 4 Yeah, this is a harmless, funny story. It's not like, you know.
I think that

Speaker 4 the real story is just as funny as Mike McCarthy saying that the analytics told us to go for that, which is him saying, like, yeah, we run this 14-second quarterback draw constantly in practice.

Speaker 4 And in reality, every other coach, every other player that's asked about it says, yeah, that play takes about 17 seconds. Yeah, Jesus Christ.
So funny. What a cluster fuck.

Speaker 4 All right, my hot seat was also cake. And then my cool throne is LeBron.

Speaker 4 LeBron, the coach killer, is back. It looks like Frank Vogel might get fired.
There's a lot of rumors right now. No one does it better than him.
No one kills a coach better than LeBron.

Speaker 4 It actually makes me think like Eric Spolster should be in the Hall of Fame right now for not having LeBron. you know, get him fired.
So recently who does he want? I don't know. Probably

Speaker 4 one of his friends, someone he can boss around. The thing is, I don't think LeBron ever thinks a step ahead before he gets a coach fired.
I don't think he's got, he doesn't have a succession plan.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 apparently they're like going game by game to decide whether he's going to keep his job.

Speaker 4 So it says Vogel, who coached the Lakers to a championship in 2020 and whose contract runs through 2022-23 campaign is being evaluated on a game-to-game basis and remains at risk of being fired soon if the progress doesn't continue.

Speaker 4 Which one of his sons is the one that the nerd was based off in Space Jam 2? Bryce Maximus. Yeah, Bryce.
Bryce probably plays a lot of 2K, right?

Speaker 4 That'd be very funny if he had a son coach the team. He could do it.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, why not?

Speaker 4 No one kills a coach better than LeBron. This is going to be so fun.

Speaker 4 They're essentially saying that, like, after every game,

Speaker 4 Bron's going to come off the court and just be like, all right, he keeps his job one more game. Just give him the look.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's just doing the fucking gladiator up and down after every game for Frank Vogel's life.

Speaker 4 Can you trade a coach?

Speaker 4 You can. I don't know.
Who would want Frank Vogel? Yeah, I don't know. Well, I don't know if you could trade a coach after you're announced or have reports that he's on a game-to-game basis.

Speaker 4 That's such a tough spot to be in if you're going to go coach LeBron because you know that you'll have some success. Right.
But you also know that you'll be very publicly humiliated.

Speaker 4 It's also tough if you're game-to-game and like Russell Westbrook's one of your worst players, but you have to play him. Yeah.
But if you're trying to keep your job, that dunk was a sick dunk.

Speaker 4 That was a sick dunk. Shout out, Russ.
That was a sick dunk.

Speaker 4 All right, Billy, your hot seat, Coltron.

Speaker 7 My hot seat is U.S.

Speaker 4 air shipping and travel. Turns out a bunch of the

Speaker 7 airline CEOs said that the new 5G radars that are getting put on for telecommunications, once they get turned on, it's going to affect a bunch of their planes' landing systems and that they're going to have to ground all U.S.

Speaker 4 air and travel tomorrow.

Speaker 4 Tomorrow? Yeah, today. It actually is going to happen? Yeah, I mean, it's been happening.
They wrote a letter to be like. Really? Yes.

Speaker 4 They open-lettered 5G. Exactly.
Damn.

Speaker 7 So it's supposed to. By the way, 5G has already happened in Asia and Europe already.
This might be.

Speaker 4 How does it not happen in America? All the commercials are 5G, 5G, 5G, 5G.

Speaker 7 I don't know the precise reason why, but this might be another you can't use your cell phone on a plane type situation.

Speaker 4 Just as a more annoying version of 5G,

Speaker 7 I think this is really just a move to re-up that, like, oh, you can't use your cell phone anymore on planes.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 I don't know. This to me reminds me of the Y2K scare, where it was like, planes won't work.
Everybody is going to be living. It's going to be the apocalypse.

Speaker 4 People are going to be running around with like, with torches trying to find their way in the dark.

Speaker 7 The exacts is that R-A-D-A-L-T technology is affected by 5G waves and gives false readings.

Speaker 4 So no planes tomorrow.

Speaker 7 So there might not be planes tomorrow, but who knows, might not actually be true. I think they're just going to use it to tell people they can't use use their cell phone on planes anymore.

Speaker 4 That's going to really fuck with coaching searches. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 7 And my cool throne is runnings, cool runnings. The Jamaican bobsled team has qualified for the 2022 Olympics.

Speaker 4 Go. Yes.
Feel the race. Yeah, there is an Olympics this year.
Get on up. That's before the Super Bowl.
Bob Sled time. Not excited at all.
No, you know what's going to be funny, though? Great movie.

Speaker 4 So, like, everybody is boycotting these Olympics. It'd be very funny if.
Are we?

Speaker 4 We should. Yeah.
For political reasons? We should. Where are they? China? China.

Speaker 4 Damn. I feel like.
Well, everyone but the NBA is fine. No fans either.

Speaker 4 Everybody except for Jamaica

Speaker 4 should boycott these Winter Olympics so Jamaica can get a gold medal in the bobsled. I'd be fine with that.

Speaker 4 You're down to boycott. Yeah, I'll boycott too.
All right.

Speaker 4 We're not the Golden State Warriors. Did you see what their owner said yesterday? No.
That was fucked. It was pretty fucked up.

Speaker 4 They asked him about the Uyghurs and the concentration camps, and he was like, yeah, I'll be honest with you, I just don't care. There's a line of things that I care about.
Yikes.

Speaker 4 and that is beneath the line of things that i'm supposed to care about good to know where his line is i i at least respect the fact that he's being honest about it

Speaker 4 everybody else in the nba is is just like please stop asking me that question but at least he's like yeah you know what i make a lot of money so i don't care about people that are getting put into camps yes

Speaker 4 i mean that's we're boycotting so we're better than him give us the warriors i'm not even you know what i'm not gonna mention the olympics this entire winter i probably will mention it a couple times but i'm gonna boycott it.

Speaker 4 No doubt. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hank. Or no, I mean, Jake, sorry.

Speaker 9 My hot seat is any athlete not named Marcus Mariota or Novak Djokovic? Because happy Marcus Mariota and Novak Djokovic day.

Speaker 4 Why?

Speaker 4 Why? Because a year ago, I listened to the clip this morning.

Speaker 9 It was just to remember that they exist. Specifically, Mariota, then we talked about it.

Speaker 9 It's kind of good timing with Djokovic.

Speaker 4 Free him. Yeah.
But Marcus Mariota does exist, and I actually...

Speaker 4 now he's probably just a backup now. I mean, he looked good whenever he played.
Yeah, but it was like they were kind of gadget plays.

Speaker 4 I graded all of his plays from this year, and he averaged out at an A- on film. I was going to say my grade was 87.6.
No, I had a 91.2. So in the 30s.
Well, mine's out of 95.

Speaker 4 Yeah, okay, so that's an A. Yeah.
Okay. Same page.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's the second ever day for that. We were going back and forth on the date.
We moved it back a few days because we didn't want it to interfere with Hank's sister's birthday.

Speaker 4 Got it. All right.
Happy birthday to Hank's sister. All right, so Marcus

Speaker 4 Mariota,

Speaker 4 Yeah, Marcus Mariara. Oh, yeah, I remember this now.
Yeah, Marcus Mariota, way to go, dude. You exist.
There we go.

Speaker 4 We love you. You're welcome to come on the show.
Same with Joker. Let's see if he blocks us.

Speaker 4 We have that many people blocking us.

Speaker 4 In sports, it feels like. We do an all-block list of like

Speaker 4 Brooklyn writers or something. That would be

Speaker 4 expensive. Did he ever play after that concussion? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he came back. And he was suited up.

Speaker 9 He got in a couple times.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was suited up for the playoff game.

Speaker 4 Good for him. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Back on the show every year, January 19th. And then my cool throne is the Vermont Catamounts making my return to Burlington this weekend.
Calling the game on ESPN 3. Everyone, please tune in.

Speaker 9 Big cat, this gives you one team in green and yellow to cheer for on Saturday night.

Speaker 4 Oh, because the Packers are playing. Yes.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 I was thinking about that. I was thinking about, like,

Speaker 4 they better cover.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 They better cover. Yeah.
They're 1-0, right? Yeah.

Speaker 9 My broadcasts are 1-0.

Speaker 4 Yes, but

Speaker 4 they better cover because I'm going to watch this game. Okay.

Speaker 4 The whole game. I hope they do.
And I'm going to bet on it.

Speaker 9 Yeah. ESPN 3, Saturday, 7 o'clock.

Speaker 4 So you better know the spread and you better

Speaker 4 announce around it. I want to see.
I want to hear.

Speaker 4 I want to hear it. You'll hear it.
Okay, I want to hear it.

Speaker 9 You'll hear the reference.

Speaker 4 If it's like a six or seven point spread spread. Yeah, if it's close, you'll hear it.

Speaker 4 That's natural. What's your wink going to be? You got your signature wink.

Speaker 9 I don't know. It's going to be a big number.

Speaker 4 They're playing Hartford, who's two and seven. I'll tell you.
Usually it's somewhere around Ken Pom, so let's look.

Speaker 9 Ken Palm has them winning by 18, I think.

Speaker 4 Okay, so

Speaker 4 let's say it's an 18-point spread, and there's two minutes left, and they're up 20, and Hartford hits a three.

Speaker 4 What are we saying?

Speaker 4 Hmm. Because I can give you, you want some advice? Yeah.
And Hartford just came back and now they're winning.

Speaker 4 That's what you should say. In the eyes of some folks.
Yeah. But

Speaker 4 if it's a blowout, announce it like that. Just be like, and Hartford takes a lead by one as they're down 17.

Speaker 9 So yeah, everyone, please tune in.

Speaker 4 Yes. If you don't tune in, you're a fucking scumbag.
Facts. Yeah.
Who are you working with?

Speaker 9 Bernie Saplicky, former Catamount.

Speaker 4 Love it. Okay.
How's your chemistry with him?

Speaker 9 It's great. We did some work together when I was there as a

Speaker 4 radio voice.

Speaker 9 I don't know a specific number, I believe he's a father.

Speaker 4 Do you guys do like a steak dinner before the game? No, night before. It'd be nice.
Get to know each other. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What if we gave you some money to take him out for a steak dinner? Yeah, do it. Because you always have to say, like,

Speaker 4 I always hear like Al Michaels being like, you know, we went out for a steak last night. I just assume that it's a normal thing that every announcer has steak.

Speaker 9 Fair. Flying.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 9 if there's shrimp, I'll tweet about it.

Speaker 4 Okay. Okay.
Yes. Yes.
So there won't be. It's probably not in Vermont in the winter.
Yeah. Anything.
It's on a lake, but yeah. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 4 Tune in Saturday night. All right, let's get to it.
Braxton Berrios, great interview coming up.

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Speaker 4 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is, well, he's going to be a free agent.
It's Braxton Berrios. He is all prox Braxton Berrios.

Speaker 4 Like, let's start there. That's got to be pretty cool.
You made all pro as a kick returner.

Speaker 4 That's insane. Like, people, all-pro is something we should celebrate more because there's one pick for each position.
You're all pro.

Speaker 9 Appreciate it.

Speaker 9 Yeah,

Speaker 9 I was shocked. I was actually, I just got back from a vacation, so I was getting my coffee.
I'd actually sat down looking at the ocean, you know, very nice, peaceful Friday morning.

Speaker 9 And uh, it just came up on my phone and it was like a Twitter notification, and it wasn't from like a big source, like it wasn't from like the ape, you know, the Associated Press.

Speaker 9 It was just like a notification. So, I looked at it and then I started texting people like, hey, is this real? You know, because like, you know, you can't believe what you see on Twitter.
Right.

Speaker 9 And so, I texted, hey, is this real? And then all of a sudden, it actually came out like from the NFL and called my mom, called my dad.

Speaker 4 like i was i was elated and not only that you are a free agent right now so it's got to like that was probably the second thought like oh shit now this helps yeah you're not signing just braxton barriers you're signing all pro braxton barriers like that that definitely changes it's amazing it's amazing what that designation changes yeah no it was uh yeah i i cried i'm not even gonna lie i cried

Speaker 4 i thought it was awesome man card and it's also like i mean kick returner there you go kick returner is uh it's a thankless position it's a position that you've seen in the NFL kind of wane because of the kickoff rules and stuff.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 you can't take that away from the game. You can't.

Speaker 9 You just can't.

Speaker 9 It's an exciting part of the game. And whether it's like, okay, you score or you get absolutely crushed, it's still a big part of the game.

Speaker 4 That's it, yeah. Like, it's got to be a scary position to play.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 But I will wholeheartedly say punt return is scarier than kickoff return, but you will get hit harder on kickoff return. You have more speed.

Speaker 4 They've been running.

Speaker 9 I mean, they're they're running from 60 yards.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 one guy doesn't block or messes up the block or doesn't get them hardly at all. And it's a full 60-yard start.

Speaker 4 I think sometimes people forget that, but when you watch even a touchback, if the kick goes straight into the end zone, you'll see that the referee signals for a touchback.

Speaker 4 Great call, great arm signal. And then three seconds after that, you'll see guys still slowing up, sprinting in the end zone because they were going that fast.

Speaker 4 When they got to the 20, they had to just coasted. Yeah, they just coasted all the way in.

Speaker 9 you know, it's a it's a full-on head-on collision. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And who votes for all-pro?

Speaker 9 It's the actual like media. So like the actual people in the NFL.
So it's not like the Pro Bowl where it's like fans and like a popularity contest.

Speaker 9 The all-pro is like, I think it's like the 50 of the top like media of the NFL.

Speaker 4 It's similar to the MVP vote. I'm pretty sure it's almost the exact same.

Speaker 4 I think it's the same people.

Speaker 4 Because I remember I looked up, there's one year that's very, very weird, and I'd have to double-check it that like Joe Montana made the all-pro, but John Elway won the MVP which like never happens usually all pro tells you who's going to win the MVP but yeah it's a crazy it's awesome for you so

Speaker 4 your career

Speaker 4 like let's just get this out of the way the jokes that were made when you were coming out of college and being like you're gonna get drafted by Bill Belichick when that actually happened where you're like is this is this a prank because I think there's there's very few times where someone where we see a player in college we're like oh that's he's definitely gonna get drafted by the Patriots and then it happened actually happened yes yeah yeah no i you know i heard it all coming out and when it actually happened i was like wow you know you guys were right he does have a type yeah i i looked

Speaker 4 at my tweets and uh in 2017 i said congratulations to future new england patriot braxton barrios and then danny woodhead got involved i remember danny woodhead was the guy that actually he turned me on to you he was like yo this guy's not just sneaky fast he's fast fast that's the worst that's the worst the whole sneaky fast deceptively yeah quick but that's the that's the worst what's What's the most important thing to have a receiver like you?

Speaker 4 Is that I've always thought it's wiggle. Do you have wiggle? I have wiggle.
Yeah. Wiggle is important.

Speaker 9 Wiggle's important. And like, of course, like, I hate saying this, but like quickness is important, especially because you're going across the middle.

Speaker 9 So it's like, you got to be able to, like, you know, you got linebackers in there and safety's coming from 10 yards. Like, you need some wiggle.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So then, what was the conversation when Belichick had to cut you? Because you had an injury.

Speaker 9 They had, they were trying to fill up their roster spot with four or five guys for wide receiver yeah was he did he cry when he had to cut you he's like i i loved you since the second i set eyes on you yeah it was uh it was it was a tough conversation obviously and um you know he was obviously very he was very complimentary and you know they're they're very professional at everything they do and and that's the problem i mean when you get injured over there it's it's it's a little different um you know it's it's looked upon differently than than other places and it's just that's what it was yeah and you know and luckily it landed me on my next spot and that kind of led me to here so it is what it is it wasn't uh it wasn't a fun time well and you had the rare one where i i think i read that uh belichick called adam gase and was like you got yes a really good one here so gase actually told me that story towards the end of that season so we were sitting in a walkthrough on saturday and somehow it came something came up and and he said uh by the way i never told you the story and he told me that story where you know he belichek called him and he thought it was about Demarius Thomas at the time because Damieris Thomas was with me in New England at the time and then he came over to New York and he said he he had nothing he didn't talk about Demarius at all and he just said hey man you you really had a good one we wish we could have kept him and you know it's it's cool obviously hearing that from right Bill Belichick right

Speaker 4 but yeah okay so some would say I've heard people say that you're undersized but you're five eight and five eighths you're the perfectly average sized person

Speaker 4 it doesn't get any more perfectly average sized than that I used to be five nine but then I got COVID now I'm five eight

Speaker 9 It does it to your spine, I think. It does.

Speaker 4 It compresses it. It's a shame.
So stay safe. I hope that you're vaccinated.

Speaker 4 But being a smaller wide receiver in the NFL, is there any advantage at all to being a little bit on the smaller side?

Speaker 4 Because there might be certain things that guys are used to playing against bigger, taller, wide receivers.

Speaker 4 Is there anything, like any small, tiny little thing that we might not think about that it might actually help to be a little bit shorter?

Speaker 9 I mean, I guess to,

Speaker 9 yeah, I mean,

Speaker 9 I can avoid hits a little better you know a little a little quicker you know because like you know you see two or three guys coming at one time and you just you find we call it find a pocket yeah like I can find a pocket a little bit you know a hundredths quicker than a guy who's 6'1 can so like that's obviously a plus there there's less of you to hit exactly yeah and you're you're closer to the ground I actually think that that is true being able to fall correctly in the in the NFL oh it's a huge skill yeah getting tackled is a skill yes you got to learn how to fall and like that's why you see a lot of people with like shoulders when they get tackled.

Speaker 9 And sometimes you get caught, let's be honest. But yeah, you got to learn how to fall.
Like there's right and wrong ways to fall.

Speaker 4 Yes. It's not always worth it fighting for an extra yard.
No, no, it's way more worth it getting your body in the right position.

Speaker 9 Absolutely. Couldn't have said better myself.

Speaker 4 We got to talk about the U because it's back. You back.

Speaker 4 I mean, yeah, and Crystal Ball and also the NIL deals. Dude.
Well, let's start there. That's another story.

Speaker 4 Are you sitting there like, fuck, I really wish that I was four years younger than I am because I could have gotten some nice money at the end of the year?

Speaker 9 Yeah, no, a thousand percent. I think it's obviously a great thing.
I think college athletes should be paid, but I also think it should be regulated in some sense.

Speaker 9 The way that they're doing it is kind of a free-for-all.

Speaker 4 See, that's interesting you'd say that because I would think Miami would be one of those schools that like, let's just have it be, like, if you're a Northwestern fan or like an Oregon State fan, you're like, we need to regulate it because we're never going to be able to compete.

Speaker 4 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 9 From a recruiting standpoint, Miami has the upper hand on 95 plus percent of colleges right a you're in miami and like that was always a thing like my thing was like where did you want to be in like january and february like in college when football's over like where do you want to wake up and like go to school and like walk outside and obviously that was a no-brainer and so from a football standpoint nil is like the best thing that ever happened because now you can use all that you had and now tack on money to it and that you're in the city of Miami.

Speaker 9 Yeah. No, they run away with that.

Speaker 4 So you would have, you would have done nicely. I know you were recruited.
You were recruited by some big, big-time schools, Ohio State, Clemson.

Speaker 4 Who else was on that list?

Speaker 4 Oregon. Or that you were considering Oregon.
So,

Speaker 4 you know, now that we have NIL and recruiting is talked about so much and obsessed about so much,

Speaker 4 besides weather, what was the difference maker between Miami and the other schools? And what was the pitch that you almost went to?

Speaker 9 So I was very close to going to Tennessee. Interesting.
I was very close to going to Tennessee. And honestly, what won Miami was that my dad's from Miami and I grew up a Miami fan.

Speaker 9 So I grew up a Hurricanes fan, a Dolphins fan, all that. So literally loyalty kind of won that over.
Right.

Speaker 9 Because like, you know, I went to Knoxville and it was the Tennessee Georgia game and it was the checkered game. So, you know, Nealon was checkered.
There's 107,000. It went into overtime.

Speaker 9 Tennessee ended up winning, I think. Like as good as it could have been on a visit, it was.
And it actually happened to be my birthday that weekend, too.

Speaker 9 So, like, it was just, so that was like my last visit. So, that was October, like, sixth weekend.
And then the 12th is when I committed. So, like, after that, I was like, oh, man.

Speaker 4 And you saw the power T and all that stuff.

Speaker 9 Yeah. And I mean, it was awesome.
It was a college, like, you know, not powerhouse necessarily, but in the sense of like football, like, it was hard to beat Nealon Stadium.

Speaker 4 Do you think most guys do it off of like that visit has a big effect? Or is it facilities?

Speaker 4 I'm just, I'm just fascinated by recruiting just because it's it's going to change so much in the next, you know, 10 years or 15 years.

Speaker 4 Or is it the staff is like, like, I know Sabin probably just says, do you want to be a pro? And if you want to be a pro, you come here and then we'll make it.

Speaker 4 And they don't, and they, I mean, they earn that. They don't really recruit like that.
They don't.

Speaker 9 I think it's. I think it's very personal to like the person, truly.

Speaker 9 I don't think there's one thing gets all, but I will say like official visits like to games, like I think that can like make or break.

Speaker 9 You know, so like if you're playing a bad team and you you know the stadium's not gonna be filled, like maybe not have officials

Speaker 9 that weekend. Like, I think that could be like a bad thing.

Speaker 4 Do you think winning and losing that game matters?

Speaker 4 Because I love the, I mean, I just love fanatical, crazy college football fans, and they'll be like, yeah, we not only lost, but we had this guy, this guy, and this guy.

Speaker 9 I think that has almost unless you get like blown out, like embarrassed. Yeah, yeah.
I don't think winning or losing matters in official visits.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I always think it's like the last visit you take has, that's the one that's fresh in your mind, right? Recency.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the recency bias is a very real thing for anybody, but especially for like a 16 17 year old kid that's making this decision and you know the last place they're at they're gonna remember that in their heads they're gonna be like yeah you know what i had the best time my life last weekend but i think this might be better so you want to be that the last coach to talk to a guy but what about um what about people that like random adults tweeting at you when you're 17 being like hey come to Knoxville.

Speaker 4 We need you not like did that have any effect on you?

Speaker 9 No, I think it's like I think it's like cool until it becomes weird.

Speaker 9 I think there's a fine, like it's cool like when the fan base like now knows who you are, you know, and you got offered from that school. And like, that first, like, week, cool.

Speaker 9 And then I think, like, after that, like, it becomes a little weird. It's almost annoying.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, did you, uh, did you have any hand in creating your own like highlight reel from from high school or did somebody else do that for you?

Speaker 4 And so, did you have like input to the soundtrack on it?

Speaker 9 No, I think somebody else did mine for me. Well, first, it was like Huddle, you know, like that was like complete coaching staff.
Like, and I think I ended up doing a little bit of that as well.

Speaker 9 And then, like, whatever is is on like YouTube, I had no control. You know, like I had no hand in that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's always, it's always let the bodies hit the floor. Headstrong is another big one.
And then sometimes they'll put like Nickelback as a soundtrack. But it's really, oh, down with the sickness.

Speaker 4 There's like four songs that you can put as your

Speaker 4 mixtape. So while we're talking about crazy college football fans, are you aware of Danny Boy Kane? He's a probably...

Speaker 9 It's so funny. They told me you were going to bring him up.

Speaker 4 Well, he's the biggest Kane fan in the world. Yeah, aware,

Speaker 9 but aware.

Speaker 4 But, okay, good. So, shout out him.
Can you shout him out?

Speaker 9 Shout out Danny Boycaine. There we go.

Speaker 4 That's all I need. That's all I want.

Speaker 9 What about Hulk Kaniak? No.

Speaker 4 No, Big Papa Kane, Hulk Kaniak, throw him out. They're giving him a hell of a time.

Speaker 4 Do you think the U will actually be back? Because it is one of that game against Notre Dame when you scored.

Speaker 4 I remember just sitting there being like, this is it. Like, the U is back.
This is what it should feel like. A big Saturday night game, Miami packed house.

Speaker 4 And then obviously you guys were not back, even close to back. I think you lost in like Shreveport to Louisiana Tech or something.

Speaker 9 Not that year, we went to the Orange Bowl.

Speaker 4 Okay, all right, but the year after, yeah.

Speaker 9 Four and then after, yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that was the easiest bet of my life. Like, Miami goes to Shreveport in December.
I don't think they want to be there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Shreveport was it?

Speaker 9 Because we went there my freshman year as well.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't think they want to be there. They have casinos.
Yeah, I think they have two casinos.

Speaker 9 They do. It's Mike Margaritaville and like one other one.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. I've been to both.
I've been thrown out of one. It's always gray in Shreveport.
It's in the south, but the sky color is just gray overcast, but it never rains.

Speaker 4 That's exactly how it was for our game.

Speaker 4 It was like a light, light rain.

Speaker 9 It was like a mist, and then it would shut off and then mist again.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you guys don't want to be there. So zero to 10, 10 being all the way back.
Where are they right now?

Speaker 9 Well, like you said, like the Notre Dame college game day, we were supposed to get blown out.

Speaker 9 That was

Speaker 9 highlight of college career. Like that was awesome.
Like the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 4 You do the convict touchdown dance, which was sick. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 Catholics versus convicts. So really, like that was a moment where you said, like, we were like, shit, we might be back.
Right.

Speaker 9 And then lost last game of the season and then in the ACC championship game to Clemson. And I think now,

Speaker 9 I think Christopher's the right guy. And my thing is, like,

Speaker 9 even Alabama, right? Even Alabama in Alabama's prime. And also Clemson had a run, you know, recently, too.
Like. Those teams, like the U back in those days was like dominating everybody 24-7.

Speaker 9 Like it was just different. And the landscape of college football was different.
So, I think to get back there is probably impossible, you know, because it's just like, it's a different day and age.

Speaker 9 But I think the U can still mean something. And I think Chris Ball is the guy to do it.

Speaker 9 Right now, we're like at a three,

Speaker 4 a three out of 10.

Speaker 9 You know, like we have the U on our helmet. We have the turnover chain.
And like, I think he's going to get rid of that.

Speaker 4 I think you have to. Paul Chris, I'm a Wisconsin badger.
Paul Chris killed the turnover chain. Yeah.
Was that, were you in that game? The Orange Bowl. Yeah, that was.
Yeah, okay. So, yeah.

Speaker 4 He killed it.

Speaker 4 When a guy, like a true Midwestern dude wearing like gray sweatpants is like, turnover chain my ass. It's over.
It's dead. It was tough.
Wow. I killed you.
I think we should have a rule.

Speaker 9 Like, if we're losing more than like 14 points, the turnover chain doesn't count.

Speaker 4 No problem. Yeah, no problem.
Were you ever allowed, like, as an offensive player, were you allowed to look at the, did you ever get close to it? Or are they like, this is a defensive thing?

Speaker 9 No, no, no. We could get close to it.
And also, like, if we're on special teams, like, a couple offensive guys got it. I never did.

Speaker 4 Yeah. But,

Speaker 9 but, you know, any turnover counted.

Speaker 4 So if on offense, you had thrown like an interception, you chased the guy down, knocked the ball out.

Speaker 9 And recover it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, do you get the coverage?

Speaker 9 I'm definitely running off the field for a play to get the turnover. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 You got to take advantage. I forgot that was that orange bowl.
Yeah, that must have sucked, though, because Paul Chris did, like, he's got the least swag of any coach in America. And I love him.

Speaker 4 But he, yeah, he ended it for you.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it was tough.

Speaker 9 That was a tough loss.

Speaker 4 And that game was in Miami. It was in Miami.
It was a home game. Yeah, we killed you, right?

Speaker 4 10 points. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 I never was doubting it, though. Let's just say that I wasn't uncomfortable.
Fair enough. Yeah.

Speaker 4 All right. So back, like, I do just want Miami to be back.
It's one of those schools. It's good for college football.
Right. And it's like, they're the bad guy.
It's just fun.

Speaker 4 I actually love the fact that they're outwardly being like, here's all the money we're paying NIL. I want that to happen.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 Yeah, well, that's like, that's their pool now.

Speaker 9 That's one of the biggest pools. Like, we haven't been one of the best in the ACC for three, four, whatever years.
More than that. Well, we went to the ACC's championship game four years ago.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but Clemson is just.

Speaker 9 No, Clemson was far and away. Far and away.
And I think they won the national championship that year, too.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 No,

Speaker 9 they're the peak of ACC until this year. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 The good news is the ACC kind of sucks now. So although Clemson could be won

Speaker 4 10 games, that's the best part about Clemson's season. Everyone's like, Clemson sucks.
They won 10 games. Yeah, but they lost.
And they lost by seven to the national championship.

Speaker 4 But the ACC was just bad this year. Just like, no, it's very easy to be, what is it, king turd on shit mountain.

Speaker 4 If you can pay enough money and if you can be like, the you's back, come here, look what we're doing. Um, there's definitely like an opportunity, there's a window for the you to be back.

Speaker 9 I think I saw something this morning on Instagram where it like listed there was like

Speaker 9 20 guys almost that got paid like anywhere from 35k to 50k for that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, yeah, that was yesterday. They announced it, yeah.
I think it was with with you guys, with the Rosenhaus guys, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 4 they're looking it up.

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Speaker 4 On the Jets now, on the Jets this season and last season,

Speaker 4 I got to ask you about Dr. Heat, about Greg Williams, former defense coordinator.

Speaker 4 So we've heard stories that in practice, he would just like send the house against the first team offense and Adam Gates would have to be like, hey, man, we're trying to work through some other stuff over here.

Speaker 4 Like, I know that we're not going to get blitzed every down on Sunday. Can you maybe just dial it back a little bit for a few plays? Is that remotely true?

Speaker 9 And the competition periods?

Speaker 9 1,000%.

Speaker 9 But those are, hey, you call your defense, we'll call our offense.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Not in the scout team periods because he has, you know, the offense handles the defense on the scout team period. So that's not necessarily true.
But,

Speaker 4 yeah. He just loved to blitz, bro.

Speaker 4 Big, big cover zero guy. Blitz all the time.
I like that.

Speaker 4 Zach Wilson, we'll talk about him, but before we talk about Zach Wilson, did you get caught up in Mike White hype like we did?

Speaker 9 That's my guy.

Speaker 4 I thought he was Joe Montana.

Speaker 9 Absolutely. I mean, he starts his first game in four years, those for 400 yards and four or five.
I mean, like,

Speaker 4 how could you not? How could you not? We were all the way swept up. And I mean, Mike Bengals are what, the number, yeah, yeah, they're good to be.
You guys were tight.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you could beat the titanium. Both the Titans and the Bengals.

Speaker 4 Did you think about telling Mike, like, hey, you should fake, you should pretend that you sprained your ankle?

Speaker 9 That's why I said, like, just walk off on that one. You know, that was Antonio Brown.
But no, no, he was, he was in his zone. He was feeling it.

Speaker 9 And, like, he came on the meeting and was like, well, if you ask me, I should have been the number one pick. Like, you love that.

Speaker 4 You absolutely love that.

Speaker 9 As your quarterback, that's phenomenal.

Speaker 4 How, how was

Speaker 4 Zach Wilson's rookie year?

Speaker 4 Dealing with a rookie who has to get everything thrown at him, a team that is in a rebuilding phase, do you think, did you see it? Did you see the flashes? You're like, okay, this guy's legit.

Speaker 9 No, absolutely. And you can like, there's flashes all throughout the year, you know, like the Tennessee, like pointing to Corey Davis, like making a play within a play.

Speaker 9 And, you know, obviously he got hurt until he was out, whatever, those few weeks. And then he came back and like was a...

Speaker 9 It was a better version, you know, learned a lot in that time and was a better version of himself in the second half than he was in the first half of the year.

Speaker 9 And like, you know, you see that growth within one season and like you got to take in learning the offense completely, like learning your teammates completely.

Speaker 9 You have the New York media, you have, and then it's NFL football. You know, it's, it's going to be tough for anybody.
And obviously, you know, a rookie is, it's, it's just heightened that much.

Speaker 4 Do you think he should maybe ditch the headband when you guys are getting your ass kicked? Because that always, it's similar to turnover chain.

Speaker 4 When you're getting your ass kicked and you have a headband, it's like, no, no, no, no, take that off.

Speaker 9 But that's him. That's him.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think you got to still take it off. I think you just got to, it's like a mood ring.
He just has to, like, all right, we're getting our actions.

Speaker 4 So, like, I think the same when you take it, when he takes it off, he's just throwing up the white flag and saying, Yeah, I'm done.

Speaker 4 Well, then you could fake him out and take it off and then come back on him. But then you're then you're playing with yourself.
Well, no, you're playing with them. No, you're not allowed to do that.

Speaker 4 He's a Mormon.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry, he set me up for it. Yeah, Latter Days are for the boys.
That's what we say around here.

Speaker 4 All right. So,

Speaker 4 who's the most influential guy in the pro level on your career? I have an answer, but I want to hear your answer answer first.

Speaker 9 Growing up, Devin Hester. Okay.
Which is like funny because like I'd never really been a kick returner for a whole season until this year.

Speaker 9 And, you know, obviously all pro, but like growing up, like he was like my idol.

Speaker 4 Yep. My idol.
Yep. Yep.
What were you going to say? I was going to say Julian Edelman because you have figured out a way to post a ton of pictures with your shirt off on Instagram, which I'm...

Speaker 4 I'm guessing Edelman's like, it was like playbook in one hand and then Instagram in the other. And Jules was like, all right.

Speaker 4 so anytime you're anywhere near a beach, make sure you get at least like four or five pictures.

Speaker 4 See, but I didn't think he was that big of a shirt off guy.

Speaker 4 Did you ever see his Father's Day post where he's like, happy Father's Day? Love you, Dad. And it was just a picture of his dad like over his shoulder while he had his shirt off.

Speaker 4 Like you couldn't even see his dad. All you could see was Jules Abs.

Speaker 9 That was a self-suck.

Speaker 4 That was good for him. Good for him.
But you're pretty, you do. I mean, look, if you got it, flaunt it.
But was Jules, did he say that to you?

Speaker 4 Like, hey, man, the key to this league is make sure you have your shirt off whenever you take an Instagram picture.

Speaker 9 He was instrumental in a lot of things. Instagram was not one of them.
Okay. But, I mean, yeah, we had a few conversations.

Speaker 4 Maybe it was just, yeah, he just influenced you without you even knowing. Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did anyone ever accidentally call you Julian or Wes around the Patriots facility?

Speaker 9 Not accidentally. On purpose, absolutely.

Speaker 4 Not accidentally.

Speaker 4 It's like, we got another Wes. This is Wes 3.

Speaker 9 Yeah, well, speaking of Mike White, like, he refers to Julian as like dad. So you're like, hey, have you talked to your dad recently?

Speaker 4 He does it all the time.

Speaker 4 Yeah, these pictures, you had a stretch there where it was just shirt off every day. I'm looking at Julian.
Julian's actually cleaned up. Well, I definitely should.

Speaker 4 I'm like,

Speaker 4 you shade. Yeah, and he's a dick.
He put it in his head that like the Father's Day one was

Speaker 4 you literally wouldn't know, you wouldn't be able to see his dad in the picture. So it was like,

Speaker 4 he's like those TikTok kids who are like, you know, like, shout out Nana, and then like Nana's dying right behind him and they're doing a middle joke.

Speaker 4 Shout out my dad, hear my abs.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 you're a good-looking dude, so you, you, I guess you deserve to do it. Man card.

Speaker 4 No, yeah, listen, we, we're supporting each other in 2020. Yeah, guys lifting up, yeah, yeah, right.
I love that. So we can say that about each other.
So keep posting them.

Speaker 4 Just be careful about how many because then we will start, like, probably our fans are going to get in your mentions now and like, oh, shit, thirst trap.

Speaker 4 That's just a mental game, though if you can overcome that you can overcome anything okay yeah let the games begin you had uh you had one of my favorite plays of the year this year which was the design lateral downfield oh yeah yeah that was sick so cocaine is that what it's called yep it's called the the play is called cocaine yep that was it from adam gase's days what was wow that's amazing

Speaker 4 yeah that was that was that was the play call yeah so it's a it's a great play i've i'm a big advocate of more planned downfield laterals in football i think it'll change the game if if you can execute it.

Speaker 9 If you can execute it. I know a few teams.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I'm just kidding.
I know a few teams.

Speaker 9 A few teams tried it, and it didn't go so well.

Speaker 4 Right, because they don't coach the players to throw the laterals correctly. They don't coach the players to stand an adequate distance behind the player and then run onto the ball right.

Speaker 4 But you worked it out perfectly.

Speaker 9 Yeah, we had that one in the playbook actually for a few weeks. And we'd put it in when the defense on third and whatever, third and long, long, would give us a look.

Speaker 9 And so finally, we called it, and everybody in the huddle is like smiling. They're like, all right, well, this is going one or two ways.
And it worked.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It worked phenomenally.
It's great when teams run it when it's not a desperation situation because if it's desperation, the other team sees it coming a mile away. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 And they're able to defend it, cause some turnovers. It was like in the second quarter or something? Yeah, it was like in the second quarter.

Speaker 4 And if you throw it towards the sideline, then if you miss it, it goes out of bounds. Not a big deal.
Really no harm done.

Speaker 4 I just, I want you to continue. I want to give you positive reinforcement on that play and hope that you get to it.
Yeah. It is a cool play when it's when it works.
Yes, yes. Tell Coach, like, let's.

Speaker 4 I know this podcaster who's very happy with the fact that you ran this play. We should continue doing that.
Do we please?

Speaker 9 I'll come to call it.

Speaker 4 Whoa, you're talking to the Jets right now?

Speaker 4 Why? Are you being tampered with? Of course. No.
I think I don't. Are you open to being tampered with?

Speaker 4 So you guys have started.

Speaker 4 You guys have started talks?

Speaker 4 See, we've talked. He just looked over his shoulder and he's like, don't do it.
We've talked. So let's do a headline grab.
What's your favorite city in America?

Speaker 9 You like Miami? Raleigh, North Carolina.

Speaker 4 Raleigh, North Carolina. Oh, okay.
Panthers. Oh, you want to be reunited with Sam Darnold? Did that hurt your feelings sometimes when people were like,

Speaker 4 Sam Darnold hasn't gotten a fair shot. His best receiver is Braxton Berrios.

Speaker 9 Yeah, no, that hurts. Absolutely.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And luckily, I don't see many of those, but like

Speaker 9 somehow it comes off, and it's like, yeah, it's like, oh, Zach Wilson had Braxton Berrios for us, right?

Speaker 4 And it's like, I'm sorry. Yeah.

Speaker 4 This is like, my bad. Just a total, you're just minding your own business.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 I didn't hurt anybody.

Speaker 4 Are you looking to maybe try to get out of the AFC East for the first time in your career?

Speaker 4 I'm indifferent.

Speaker 9 I'm indifferent.

Speaker 9 I don't look at it as like, oh, I want to go to this division or this conference.

Speaker 9 That's not where my head's at.

Speaker 4 If you're listing your values for what you're looking for in a football team. Well, yeah, here are the values that potentially a football team has.

Speaker 4 No state state income tax,

Speaker 4 near a beach,

Speaker 4 or brutally cold. List those three.
Power rank those.

Speaker 4 Power rank? Yeah. Out of two or three.
Oh. Yeah, like what's most important?

Speaker 9 Out of those,

Speaker 9 no state income tax. Okay.
All right. Then I would say beach.
Okay.

Speaker 4 And then brutally cold. Okay.
So Miami. Yes, the Dolphins.
Or the Bucks. You could do the Bucks.
Danny Amendola. Yeah, you could go to the Bucs.
You could go to the Bucs. You could, yeah.

Speaker 4 Follow Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 Has Tom given you a call?

Speaker 4 I'll rephrase that. Were you offended when Tom did not give you a call to be like, hey, come down to Tampa Bay with me?

Speaker 9 No, no, I understand my place there.

Speaker 4 It wasn't there yet. It is fair, though, to say you are a Super Bowl champion, right? Technically.
You've got a ring. I do.
Yeah, do you...

Speaker 4 Now, is that a ring that you would take out and wear or no?

Speaker 9 No, never. I mean, it's...

Speaker 4 It's huge. Yeah.

Speaker 9 But also, it's just not. Like, maybe like for one thing, you know, like, but I don't don't even know what that one thing is, like, where I would wear it to.
Like, I don't know an appropriate setting.

Speaker 4 A reunion of that team?

Speaker 9 That would probably be it.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 What do you think your like most important contribution to that team was that year?

Speaker 9 Well, obviously, not much on the field.

Speaker 4 But you have to,

Speaker 4 let's be very, very clear. But you have to tell yourself, like, you were on that team.

Speaker 9 Yeah, no, no doubt.

Speaker 4 So that's what you do.

Speaker 9 And that is like the hard part, like, as a competitor. It's like, you know, like you see it, and like, obviously it's very good.
And you can say that you have a ring and, you know, I do.

Speaker 9 And all that's great. But it sucks on the other sense.
But I mean, I was still there. I was in the meetings.
I honestly, I did most of the scouting reports each week.

Speaker 9 And I'd give them to all the guys. So yeah, I try to help in any way I can.

Speaker 4 I mean, Belichick's probably the best coach to have that.

Speaker 4 To be on a team where you're not getting a lot of field time, but you're on the practice squad because he probably is like, he's the most important part of the organization.

Speaker 4 Like Belichick would definitely be able to do that.

Speaker 9 Well, I was on IR yeah I was on yeah yeah yeah but like he like he was the most important part yeah no I mean and and honestly like the the learning the pure learning experience there is like absolutely invaluable like that that that whole year like I learned more about like football and then you know obviously got to listen to Brady take over a meeting and say hey guys like this is how I look at it like this is and like that

Speaker 9 going to that to now you know a rookie quarterback like I can start to see like okay what he's saying and like everybody says like be friendly to the quarterback like I know when the coverage goes all which ways, like I know what he feels is open.

Speaker 9 And like, that's where I'm going to try to show up.

Speaker 4 It's funny you say like the competitor in you because obviously if you make the NFL, you have an insane competitive drive and, you know, you're able to do things that, you know, 99.9999% of the world can't.

Speaker 4 But I hear that and I'm like, man, I would love to win a ring just like being on the bench and never playing. Like never having any pressure and just being like a dude that hangs out.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but it feels much better when like you feel like like you're earning

Speaker 4 you, and I'm me. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, there's a big difference. See, if I stepped onto the field, I'd probably die.
Like, that'd be the most scary part of my entire year. I would hate stuff.

Speaker 4 Like, I want to be on the sidelines. Yeah, like, I see, I like

Speaker 4 rooting them on. Yeah, like, I watch the NBA team.
I'm like, the 12th man, that guy's cool. I want to be.
That guy's awesome.

Speaker 4 I'm the first guy to put your fours up at the start of the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 I get that. You're the ringleader.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 I actually truly was that guy in high school football. I was the only thing I was like at.

Speaker 4 I played a little bit of wide receiver receiver kicker and a little bit of scout team fullback, which I was way too small to be playing, had no business doing.

Speaker 4 How much of your time is spent on your outfits?

Speaker 9 Not much at all.

Speaker 4 It feels like you've upped your game.

Speaker 9 Thank you.

Speaker 9 But not much. Well, day to day, I'm in sweats.
Right. Every day in the season, I'm in sweats.
So finally, when I get to blow the dust off the back of my closet and do something, it's all there.

Speaker 9 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 Because you do. Yeah, I mean, the pictures.
Are you looking right now? Yeah, I'm looking. I got a whole thing.
Do you have a

Speaker 4 this checkered

Speaker 4 checkered suit coat is more nice? More players should bring two sets of clothes to a game, like one if you win, one if you lose. Yes.

Speaker 9 Well, like the reindeer outfit was like I wore a reindeer outfit after Jacksonville, which was the day after Christmas or the day after that. And like that was the same thing.

Speaker 9 Like I wore normal clothes in there and I had the onesie in my bag and it was never going to see the light of day if we lost.

Speaker 4 But I agree.

Speaker 9 And I honestly, I do. So like I'll have like an outfit, whatever I wear in, and like, you know, say it's like a suit or whatever.
And if we lose, like, I'm not putting that back on.

Speaker 9 Like, that's going in the bag. I'm putting my sweats on and I'm walking out.

Speaker 4 That's smart. That's a very heads-up thing to do.

Speaker 4 I feel like more players should take that into account because, like, when you, when you show up at the podium, yeah, and you've got like a live, like a barely, barely dead raccoon wrapped around your head, and you're talking about how you went.

Speaker 4 You went five for 22 with three interceptions. Like, that's not, that's not helping anybody.

Speaker 9 Yeah, no, I know. And it's funny, like, I don't know how many people think of that, but like, that's something I do.

Speaker 9 I was like, well, if we, you know, if this ends up happening and we lose, I don't want to look like that guy. You know, that, like,

Speaker 9 I'd rather look good than win.

Speaker 4 When you were on the Patriots, was that when Josh McDaniels left for like 12 hours? That was before. That was right before.
Okay. Okay, that was a year before.
All right, yeah. So

Speaker 4 he obviously came back because he was, you know, he's trusted to be the head of that offense in New England.

Speaker 4 But then on the other side, you've got an up-and-comer running the defense, Steve Belichick.

Speaker 4 Is that his normal voice? Or is he like, is he fucking with all of us to make us think that he sounds exactly like his dad?

Speaker 9 No, I think as much as he would love to mess with everybody, that is his actual voice.

Speaker 4 He just sounds exactly like dad, huh? Yeah. Does he do those weird mouth things during practice or is that just where he knows the camera's on?

Speaker 9 No comment.

Speaker 4 Was it really weird when Sam Darnold got mono?

Speaker 9 It was pretty funny.

Speaker 4 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 Was he able to take a joke about it? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 There was a time that he wasn't in the facility, obviously, where it was like, okay, we probably shouldn't joke about about this. And then, like, when he got back,

Speaker 4 it was, it was an all-time, it was free-for-all. Yeah, it's an all-time.

Speaker 9 I mean, it's just one of those things. Like,

Speaker 9 what can you do? You know, like, at that time, it's almost like somebody is kissing. It's as invisible as COVID in a sense.
You know, like, you don't know if somebody has mono.

Speaker 9 And, like, you kiss somebody, so what? And then it just turns out like it's the second game of the year, and you're out for four weeks because

Speaker 9 you made out.

Speaker 4 Did you see those same ghosts that he saw?

Speaker 4 Were they on the field?

Speaker 9 No, that's that was that was that was wrong by ESPN.

Speaker 4 I agree. That was wrong.
I agree. That was was wrong.
That's wrong. Because it's one thing to have audio.

Speaker 9 I get it for all your content. That's fine.
But in the middle of a game, you know, and something like that, and when you don't do that to everybody, you know, you just pick one person and record that.

Speaker 9 That's wrong.

Speaker 9 That's bad ball.

Speaker 4 I like that. That's bad ball.
That's bad ball by ESPN.

Speaker 4 Because you go to the sidelines, you're talking to your coach, you're being honest with your coach with the understanding that, like, hey, okay, we're contributing this content to ESPN.

Speaker 4 They're not going to fuck us over and make us look like shit. And they take one thing that I'm sure stuff like that gets said a lot during the games by different people.

Speaker 4 But now it's associated forever with Sam Darnold.

Speaker 9 Yeah. And it's like, you know, when the offense isn't scoring, I'm sure the defense is like, what's wrong with the all, you know, and says, goes on the offense.

Speaker 9 And same thing when the offense is going and the defense can't stop anybody. We say the same thing, but it doesn't, it's not because like we don't like the defense of the players.

Speaker 9 It's just, it's the heat of the battle. It's, it's football.
Like, you just, you just shouldn't do that.

Speaker 4 I like that, though, that you were, um, that you, you wouldn't joke about Sam Darnold when he was out of the facility.

Speaker 4 But But when he came, like, you wouldn't say it behind his back, no, he comes back and you're like, right to his face. You suck in your face at pig and parrot last night or what?

Speaker 9 Way to party kiss.

Speaker 4 Yeah. All right, last question.
So we had Jimmy Graham, another Miami legend on the show,

Speaker 4 and it was the last week of the Bears season. Obviously, Matt Nagy got fired last year.
Adam Gates gets fired.

Speaker 4 How awkward is it in a facility when it's like everyone in the world knows this is going to end.

Speaker 4 We're just pretending that it's all normal.

Speaker 9 Well, Well, that's a thing because, like, nobody really pretends. Like, everybody knows.

Speaker 9 And, like, that, I don't know if that makes it worse or better because, you know, obviously, whatever, two years ago, you know, we finished two and 14 or whatever it was, but like everybody knew kind of midway through the year that that was, it was kind of done.

Speaker 9 Right. Right.

Speaker 9 And it's just like one of those things where like you don't know. Some of the coaches would joke about it and then others wouldn't talk about it.

Speaker 9 And then, you know, we won two games and everybody's partying like, you know, we saved the jobs.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 9 But yeah, it's, it's, it's an interesting, uh, it's an interesting dynamic.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's just, it's one of those, I'm always fascinated with like the human side of

Speaker 9 it and everybody gets that. Right.

Speaker 9 And like, that's where, like, I always say, like, I wish it was just football and not a business, but like, you can't have those, you know, mutual, you can't have those independently exist. Right.

Speaker 9 You know, there comes one with the other. And so, like, I think everybody, you know, you're a grown man and, you know, you know your, the track record is like, okay, like, this is going to happen.

Speaker 9 So it's one of those things, like, same thing, Sam, like, you're out for the next three weeks, but we're still going to give you shit for it. You know, like, it's the same way.

Speaker 9 Like, we know we're out. We might as well have fun while we're here.

Speaker 4 Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
My last, last question. Going back, you mentioned that Zach, you know, he likes to point downfield sometimes.
I think he points downfield a little bit too much.

Speaker 4 Like, he's almost addicted to, he gets out of the pocket and he always puts his finger out there.

Speaker 4 He just points in a direction. You know, either something really awesome or really bad is about to happen.
But is he actually like instructing you to do certain things?

Speaker 4 Or does he sometimes just just point to like get a little bit of swag going before he throws the ball?

Speaker 9 No, well, obviously with that one in Tennessee, that was, that was Tecore Davis. Go deep.
I'm launching it and touchdown. Sick play.

Speaker 9 And then the other woods, yeah, when you kind of point when you're rolling out, like you got everybody chasing you, you got the linebackers about to come hit you.

Speaker 9 Like, I, I don't really know what other like example of that, but normally it's for a point. It's not just like headband swag point throw.
You know, like it's he does it a lot.

Speaker 4 I've noticed he does it a lot.

Speaker 4 Billy, you're a big Jets fan. Do you want to ask any questions? Any last questions? He loves you.
Billy's in love with you. Yeah.

Speaker 9 What's going on?

Speaker 4 He was like, celebrities make me nervous. Like, we've, like, you're, you're obviously an NFL player, big, big-time deal, all-pro, but, like, we've had, like, Adam Sandler and stuff.
He's like,

Speaker 4 he wasn't nervous for that or anything like that. It's like, Braxton Berrios, you're

Speaker 4 nervous. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Quick question. So you've been with the Patriots.
You've been with Adam Gase and the last coaching staff.

Speaker 7 Do you feel that there's a huge difference in this coaching staff, in this environment with the Jets? Even if you leave, there's still like serious possibilities of promise going forward.

Speaker 4 Who's the coach you're referring to with the Jets? Coach Salah. What was that?

Speaker 7 They give me shit for my pronunciation of his name because I can never do it.

Speaker 9 It's funny because I noticed how you like didn't bring him up.

Speaker 9 You said the pages coach that, then you said gase, and then you just said,

Speaker 4 you just try to wean off of it. That's funny.

Speaker 9 No,

Speaker 9 truly, truly, I think they're heading in a very good direction.

Speaker 9 I love the coaching staff there.

Speaker 9 Most of them, they're young. They know what they're doing, communicate well.
And Sala is a phenomenal coach and a great storyteller.

Speaker 4 So if you love him so much, why don't you announce you're resigning right now?

Speaker 9 Well, that's, you know, it's two sides.

Speaker 4 But you could say it. You could be like, I will do everything in my power.
I'll take a pay cut.

Speaker 4 I'm looking at your agent's eyes right now. I'll take a pay cut to be a New York jet.

Speaker 4 We'll see what happens. If you love him so much, I don't know.
Listen, if I loved a guy like that, I'd be like, hey, I'll fucking take it. Yeah, how good is he at storytelling? Phenomenal.

Speaker 4 Because if he's a great storyteller, I would take less money. Yes, to hear this.
Yes.

Speaker 4 Just to stick around for the storytelling. A great storyteller is worth, like, that's, you can't put a price tag.

Speaker 4 Well, no, you could. It's like, I don't know, three million,

Speaker 4 10 million, three years. Yeah, that's, that's how you do it.

Speaker 4 So, what do you mean, like, he's a, he's a great storyteller? Like, ghost stories?

Speaker 9 No, like, like team meeting stories, but like random. And, like, you have nowhere where you have no idea where they're going, but they always kind of like full circle.
And actually, some don't.

Speaker 9 It's just like a fun way to start the day.

Speaker 4 Is there one that sticks out to you? Like, his

Speaker 4 long.

Speaker 9 Like, I couldn't remember one to save my life right now.

Speaker 4 I got to hear a story though.

Speaker 4 We got to get them on.

Speaker 4 You have to get them on. Have to.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 All right. Well, Braxton, thank you so much, man.
Congrats again, all pro.

Speaker 4 Congrats on your future deal. If you want our help, we will help.
Deal. Okay, so we get 1% of whatever you signed for, and we will help.
We will start taking out tax, staff,

Speaker 4 big discounts. We're setting an example.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 All right, thanks, man. Appreciate you guys.
All right, thanks, man. Appreciate you guys.
All right, thanks, man. Appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 4 Hey,

Speaker 4 let's do FAQs.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Hey, Dad Cat, PF Shea, PF She,

Speaker 4 and Hanky Panky. Hanky Panky.
Quick question.

Speaker 4 When you say certain numbers are not eligible to be selected in the lottery machine, why the hell is that? Thank you. Because sometimes we're just too lazy to put them back in.

Speaker 4 And so there are numbers that have been drawn recently. And it's a long way for Big Cat to reach over and take the ball out and put it in the top.

Speaker 4 Big news, though, today I went through the entire machine for a sportsbook promo that we had. If you opted in and you bet the Steelers this weekend, you will get a refund.
On the parlay promo? Nope.

Speaker 4 It was just straight bets. Oh, there's the ping-pong clothes.
Yeah, it's the ping-pong clothes. But I went through the whole thing.
Every single number is still there, which I was shocked.

Speaker 4 I thought for sure there was a couple numbers that just weren't there. They all are there.
It's an incredible feat.

Speaker 4 Yeah, there it is. Good luck to everyone.
Also,

Speaker 4 I'm thinking about buying myself a little birthday gift. I'm going to try to hunt down maybe a bigger,

Speaker 4 more expansive ping pong ball machine up in my game. That's unnecessary.
Yeah, it does. Like upgrading your ping pong ball machine.
Wasn't this one like five grand?

Speaker 4 It was $1,500. Paid for itself.

Speaker 4 It was much bigger.

Speaker 4 And it came broken, right? Yeah, it came broken from China. That's why we're boycotting.
That's why I'm boycotting the Olympics.

Speaker 4 Have you ever thought about the fact that that probably has a microphone inside of it? Yeah. So they know that we're boycotting the Olympics.
Good.

Speaker 4 Free Tibet.

Speaker 4 We took our eye off the ball of Tibet, by the way. Everyone's talking about Taiwan.
Yeah. No one's talking about Tibet.
We had concerts for them and everything. The Beastie Boys.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Free Tibet, bitch. Let me just live, Hank.
I'm going to look. Okay.
I'm going to see.

Speaker 4 If I could just make

Speaker 4 my entire corner a game show. I would love to see

Speaker 4 what your spending breakdown is if you have one of those apps that categorizes things into like, okay, meals,

Speaker 4 utilities,

Speaker 4 household items.

Speaker 4 Where does upgrading your ping pong ball lottery machine? It's a must. How do you categorize it? It's a need, not a week.
Necessities.

Speaker 4 The ending song last episode was that splice with the Weatherman. Yes, we are out of take-on me remixes.

Speaker 4 Oh, that was a planted question. Nice.
No, it was a real question someone sent in. I usually wouldn't answer it, but this is, you know, shout out to Sean Flaherty, Nick Roger, those kids.

Speaker 4 There's guys that have made a lot of the great to take on me remixes over the years. Shout out.
Shout out to them. We have run out.

Speaker 4 Can you? I've been recycling, though, but you know. For tonight's,

Speaker 4 can we push P?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 Why not?

Speaker 4 Are you not P?

Speaker 4 I'm not P.

Speaker 4 Is pushing P over?

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. The Cardinals tweeted pushing P, and then they got fucking trumpets.
Oh, they did? I found out about it on Friday. KFC did a one-minute man.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I found out about it on Friday, and I was like,

Speaker 4 it's probably like 10 more hours. Cardinals are.
Because when I find out, it's it. It's it.

Speaker 4 KFC did the video explaining it to like the non-people that were in on it, and that's kind of when it's like, once everyone's in on it. Yeah, no, once I find out, it's over.

Speaker 4 I never, yeah, I was never, I didn't even fully understand it.

Speaker 4 This is not a plan to one. This is an FAQ that goes on in my head constantly for some reason on the daily recently.
But can I fight Hank? Yes. I don't know why.

Speaker 4 I just really want to fight him for whatever reason. In my head, he has a very punchable voice.
Thanks, guys. A Philly fan?

Speaker 4 A Philly fan? Probably.

Speaker 4 No, you know what? I'm going to say no. I'm going to say I think you have to earn the right to fight Hank.
Agreed. For the right amount of money, yeah.
Get your cloud up.

Speaker 4 Yeah, how many followers does he have?

Speaker 4 I don't know. I just did a text message number.
Remember when Billy's

Speaker 4 life goal was to fight Jake Paul, and then he realized Jake Paul is actually kind of jacked and a really good fighter, and then he just stopped talking about it.

Speaker 4 There was a certain moment in time that it could have been eclipsed that time has gone

Speaker 4 jake paul would have murdered you i think i think back in the uh nate robinson days there was a chance but now he spent the last what how many years like past year just only training hey look i can't talk you fought for my honor against jose caseko but it's just i've been blogging very funny

Speaker 4 who's the guest you would want to return to the show that maybe it didn't go so great the first time around

Speaker 4 i feel like there's a lot of Zoom ones we've done over the last year or so that we had to do them on Zoom because of COVID, but if it was in person, it could have been a lot better.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'd love to have like Rex Ryan in studio. I think in the first one, I thought it went well.
Yeah. But.

Speaker 4 Ooh, good question. I'd have John Cena back in studio.

Speaker 4 If he was in a good mental headspace. Yeah.
Only if we're, yeah.

Speaker 4 A certain amount of time away from a big life event. We check into him like eight hours before the interview.
Yeah. has anything bad happened in the last week?

Speaker 4 Let's see. Let's see.

Speaker 4 Who would you think, Hank?

Speaker 4 That we've like, it didn't go great. I thought the Tim the Tatman interview was

Speaker 4 very average to below average. And if that was in person, there wasn't a click that I was hoping for, and I think it's there.
I love Tim. I know.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 I think if you guys did an interview in person, it would be a lot better. better and well received.
I've been watching a lot of Tim videos on YouTube recently.

Speaker 4 He's a very funny guy. Very funny.
And the interview was more, it came across as more of a generic type interview. Yeah, like tell us about your life.

Speaker 4 Tell us about video, which is honestly like something that we wanted to know about. But I would love to, yeah, let's get Tim.

Speaker 4 Put Tim on the bench with us. Yeah.
Like, I would let him sit at the table.

Speaker 4 What do you think, Billy?

Speaker 7 You saying Balt was good, but I feel like.

Speaker 4 Audio is better.

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 7 That was the one that first came to mind.

Speaker 4 There's something that's just like, yeah, that was where, like,

Speaker 4 I don't think I ever want Jack back on. Unless he was in person.
I disagree with MVP. If he was in person,

Speaker 4 I think anyone in person. I mean, Braxton Barris is a great example.

Speaker 4 An interview if it was on Zoom,

Speaker 4 it wouldn't have hit the same. I don't think it would have sucked.

Speaker 4 I would have Miley Cyrus back on. Back on.
Yeah. She's like, some people said it didn't go that great the first time.
I think that she's a kind of misunderstood person. Lawrence Taylor.

Speaker 4 I'd love to have her back on. I'd have Ryan Pace back on.

Speaker 4 Maybe change my question.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Suck G-O-T-Y Cat, Bonk FT, Buffalo Sun, and the crew. When watching games with friends or family, they always ask me who I bet.

Speaker 4 Everyone knows I like to gamble, and they like to know what side I'm on, which is reasonable. But why, every single time that I tell someone what team I bet on, do they ask how much money I put on it?

Speaker 4 Are they hoping to unit shame me if it's too low? Are they ready to virtue signal that I have a gambling problem if it's too high? I'm a poor college student, and my average unit is $5.

Speaker 4 No unit shaming, no space.

Speaker 4 And I've just gotten so annoyed at the question that I just don't respond to it anymore. What should I say when asked when people ask how much I bet on a game?

Speaker 4 Okay, so I think they're not trying to unit shame you. I think it's if you're with, well, it's two different cases.

Speaker 4 One is if you're with other gamblers, they might be trying to unit shame you, which no one should do. You bet within your means, you bet, you know, whatever you feel comfortable with.

Speaker 4 If it's with non-gamblers, I think they're just their curiosity of like, ooh, how much we got risking here is what really the question is. Like, how important is this?

Speaker 4 How invested should I get along with you? That's the question.

Speaker 4 I also think that if you're watching it, if they're non-gamblers and they're watching with you, you're out at a bar, they want to know, okay, if you hit this bet, how many free shots should we expect you to pay for for the table?

Speaker 4 They're already trying to tax your winnings. So if you say, like, I'm betting 50 bucks on it, you win 50 bucks, they're expecting like next bucket is on you.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 But I think it's a normal, it's a normal question. Gambler to gambler.
No, I agree. Yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 The only time I ever ask is if someone says, I have a lot on this game. And then I'll be like, but also, I would never ask someone how much they have on a game unless they're someone I know very well.

Speaker 4 Because then my question is more like,

Speaker 4 is this a big game or a small game for you? That's the question I'm asking.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's helpful to know sometimes like if you're watching a game with somebody that you know has a shitload of money on it. Correct.
And you put a small amount of money on it,

Speaker 4 like for example, if we're watching a game on Sunday, I know that Dave has $250,000 on the line. I do not have $250,000.
I'm making maybe what I think might be a big bet for myself.

Speaker 4 I know that I don't need to be pulling a Brandon Walker and running my mouth about it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Brandon got astray.

Speaker 4 I love Brandon. By the way, Dozen, Us for Chicago, taping it tonight for the Crown.

Speaker 4 Hank, how do you feel about being ditched at the altar by regs?

Speaker 4 Regs? Like Reagan. It's like Reagan.
He doesn't even acknowledge his real name.

Speaker 4 No, I'm standing in solidarity with my man. I'm crossing out the E.
I'm not even saying it because I feel so strongly about him leaving Hank. I don't give a shit, to be honest.

Speaker 4 He can go eat a butt.

Speaker 4 That's my official stance.

Speaker 4 Surely they won their most recent game that came out Tuesday night, right? Surely. There's no way they could have lost that.
All right, Mary fuck kill queso salsa guacamole.

Speaker 4 Okay, for me, this is easy. I marry salsa.

Speaker 4 I fuck queso. I'm the same.
Bonk. And I kill guac.
I'm the same. I'm the same.
And I like guac, but bad guac is really bad. And there's an important distinction in it, which I think we agree on.

Speaker 4 Queso has the highest ceiling, but in terms of like what you can go home to every single night, it's salsa. Also, salsa is more versatile than queso.
You can put it on a variety of dishes. Yes.

Speaker 4 And if you're killing guac, you can still eat avocado. Yeah.
But you just can't have guacamole sometimes. All right, a couple more.

Speaker 4 On the 24-hour live stream last year, Billy cooked some terrible breakfast at 5 a.m. and watching him try to cook was hysterical.

Speaker 4 When are we getting some sort of barstall cook-off to revisit that hilarious disaster? Let's do it again. We will.
Let's do it again. Did Rosillo teach you how to make eggs?

Speaker 7 No, he didn't yet.

Speaker 7 But the way I make eggs, people have a problem with, I kind of make them like pancakes when I scramble them because I put the milk in, and then they kind of have that texture like pancakes.

Speaker 4 Well, you do burn.

Speaker 4 You make them crisp. Yeah, you make them like a golden finish.

Speaker 4 We should do another cooking competition. Yes.
Just Billy versus no one. Just Billy versus the comment section.

Speaker 4 That would be funny. Billy versus the smoke detector.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Speaking of competition, are you guys going to do the season-long competition with a punishment again next year?

Speaker 4 I'm down. I mean, it'd have to be a punishment, but yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 We could bring back the suit one. You remember we did the suit punishment?

Speaker 4 Yeah. What was that one for? I think I was a gambling thing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was me versus you. Speaking of, Hank, did you ever work out in your Muggsy jeans after you lost the Grand Prix? Several times.
Okay. Hmm.

Speaker 4 I did. Well, Hero Big did also hurt my back really bad.
I was almost dead.

Speaker 4 Did you PT in the jeans?

Speaker 4 I'll do it on video this week, maybe next week. It was a bet.
The week after. It was a bet.

Speaker 4 But yeah, we would probably do something next year. I don't know.

Speaker 4 I think the best way to do it would be loser can't watch the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 I mean, we have to do it for our job, though. That's kind of.
You can listen on the radio.

Speaker 4 No, because then by week 16, you'd be like, I really just love listening to Kevin Harlan on Westwood 1. I do.
I mean, when the cat ran across the road.

Speaker 4 That was pointless.

Speaker 7 Loser has to fly to the Super Bowl, but the other way around the earth longwise.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 Where is the Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 It's in Vegas. It's in Arizona.
I thought it was New Orleans. No, it's in Arizona.

Speaker 7 So you got to fly

Speaker 4 to get

Speaker 4 to Arizona. Oh, my God.
We'll figure it out. Greyhound bus.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 All right, last one. What's up, Chad, Cat, PFP, Honk, William, and Bubba Gump, and Marshmallow? What is the most absurd piece of false information that Billy has tried to convince you was true?

Speaker 4 Good question.

Speaker 4 The Tom Brady has 36 playoff wins.

Speaker 4 Once I clip back, Billy, how's the hunt for the blue check mark going?

Speaker 7 I think they deleted the tweet.

Speaker 7 I think, no, seriously, seriously, I swear because I wrote it down.

Speaker 4 But you realize you told us, you told us, like, you explained exactly where you slipped up. In your explanation.

Speaker 4 And then you were like, but I got to find who screwed me up. Because you're like, like, what time was the game? So you essentially said, I saw someone tweet 35 and then I added one.

Speaker 4 No, no, no.

Speaker 7 So, no, what actually happened is I researched

Speaker 7 36 wins, then I saw a tweet and saw what time it was posted, and I was like, was this before or after the game was over? Try to figure it out. But anyway.

Speaker 4 You researched 36 wins?

Speaker 7 I just Googled 36 Tom Brady, and it said that the Packers had 36 playoff wins.

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 7 but like I was looking there's a whole bunch of stuff but someone had tweeted 36

Speaker 4 I know exactly how it went down you won't just admit it there were actually multiple sources that said it was 36 wins but they all deleted their tweets yeah no no that's okay never mind you looked it trust me I you saw someone say this will be this is Tom Brady's 35th

Speaker 4 Playoff win or Tom Brady's has 35 playoff wins and you thought it happened before the game and then you added one right at that moment when I was checking on it, but originally someone had posted 36 wins.

Speaker 7 Got it.

Speaker 4 I think for me, it's Billy tried to convince me that Anthony Fauci and Mother Teresa were in cahoots together.

Speaker 4 And then the article that I found linked to a website that said that Mother Teresa was actually Anthony Fauci's mother. Like,

Speaker 4 that was her son. And then Billy couldn't provide a source for it that didn't link to an article that was labeled under Satanism.
So we fact-checked that one in real time.

Speaker 4 The craziest thing Billy has convinced, tried to convince me of,

Speaker 4 it was probably when we were doing the keto diet, and what was the thing that you gave me that was not keto? And then almonds or something. Yeah, and then you're like, wait, hold on, don't eat that.

Speaker 4 And then you came back and you're like, all right, you're good to eat that. And it was just like,

Speaker 4 where did you go to find that?

Speaker 4 That was Peak Billy. I loved that, Billy.
That was. That was great, Billy.
You know, Billy. I'm still mad about the fact that elephants don't see humans the way we we see dogs.

Speaker 4 I'm never going to forget that. Because that made my day when Billy told us that as our fun fact of the day, that warmed my heart.

Speaker 4 I felt like I was just scrolling through the timeline of the dodo on Twitter. Yes.
And then

Speaker 4 dogs, brah. And then

Speaker 4 Billy took that away from me. I do want to go back on keto, Billy.

Speaker 7 Ben Mintz is currently in ketosis.

Speaker 4 He is? Yes. Wow.
He's been having the kettle. He's breaking news.
Have you been checking his piss?

Speaker 7 He's... Well, we're going to get to that, but he's...
I put him on straight keto. He's not allowed to eat anything else.

Speaker 7 He has a certain amount of meals, and he's probably gonna be in ketosis by the time we test him.

Speaker 4 Okay, so you haven't checked his kettle levels yet, but he's going through the kettle flip. Is it possible showing signs? Is it possible he just has COVID? His breath stinks, and he's been lethargic.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you might have

Speaker 4 stinks.

Speaker 4 Are you smelling his breath?

Speaker 4 He has the metallic smell of ketosis. So are you going in like checking his breath?

Speaker 7 No, he's been checking it.

Speaker 4 I did love, yeah like when when we first did ketosis that was a very funny moment in time when you were 18 and learning it as we went and it was like you'd hand me something and i'd start to be like wait hold on one sec and you'd run to your computer and then you'd run back you're like okay you can eat that you know where he got that from right And so much comes into picture once you start listening to just a little bit of Joe Rogan to get an insight into Billy's brain.

Speaker 4 Joe Rogan had been on ketosis at the time, and he was like, you know what's a really good diet to help you out out is just ketosis.

Speaker 4 It was literally from, he was just translating the Joe Rogan podcast into our ears.

Speaker 7 I didn't actually listen to Joe Rogan until I started working on this podcast because then I didn't have a podcast to listen to once I started working on this podcast.

Speaker 7 So that actually made me listen to more Joe Rogan.

Speaker 4 Who do you like better?

Speaker 4 If Joe Rogan called you up today

Speaker 4 and asked you to have your exact same role on the Joe Rogan experience. No.
What do you do? I wouldn't do that. $10,000.
I would say take it.

Speaker 7 No, it was a lot.

Speaker 4 It was a lot of fun listening to this. That's a live car.
That's like be your, that's live your best life, though. Like, that would be the best life.
No.

Speaker 4 Yes. No.
If you got to, like, be a scientist on Joe Rogan's staff. Like, live.

Speaker 4 I would make you take that job. I'd be like, Billy, you have to take this job.
It would be like

Speaker 4 Goodwill Hunting. Like,

Speaker 4 if I know the best part of it, the best part of my day is when I come in and I don't see you. I think for a second, you're not going to be at your desk.

Speaker 4 You're going to be doing test tube studies for Joe Rogan in Austin.

Speaker 4 Billy,

Speaker 4 your job would be like, okay, Billy, I need you to go out and I need you to bow hunt for me.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 all you're responsible for is bringing meat to me tonight and then sitting in the background of a podcast and like injecting one fun fact in when you hear it.

Speaker 4 That'd be like if they offered me the price is right host. I'd be like, sorry, guys.
It's the one thing I'm going to take.

Speaker 4 You would do that? Yeah.

Speaker 4 And it's the greatest game show of all time. It'd be incredible.
You get to work like, what, like, Drew Carrie probably works like 20 days a year. Well, it's like Pat Sage

Speaker 4 on Wheel of Fortune. I think Wheel of Fortune is even easier because you tape like, I think you tape three days a month, and then you just go back.
Yeah. And that's it.
It'd be incredible.

Speaker 4 What about you, Jake? If you got offered a job. Well, we know.

Speaker 9 Just fucking sports business reporter a part of my take.

Speaker 4 That's your dream job. That's the end of the line for you.
The Toledo Mudhens could offer him play-by-play and he'd be outdoor.

Speaker 4 You get play-by-play for the Yankees, but I mean, you'd have to take that. If any of the four major sports offered you a play-by-play job, you'd have to take it, and I'd make you take it.
Same thing.

Speaker 4 Same deal with Billy. I'd be like, you have to take it.

Speaker 4 See you. That's a fact.
It would break my heart, but you got to do it.

Speaker 4 We'll see.

Speaker 4 What if they all unionized and went on strike, and they asked you to be a scab play-by-play guy for the New York Yankees? Do you cross the picket line? It would depend.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you would. No, we'll see.

Speaker 4 I don't know. And Hank, if you, if Ben Simmons started a podcast and asked you to produce, I would make you go take it.
Fair enough.

Speaker 4 Imagine that. Just every day talking about what he didn't do on a basketball.
Like a resort company

Speaker 4 contacts me. Yeah, that's true.
I'd be like, no, sorry. Yeah, we actually,

Speaker 4 we need a water slide tester.

Speaker 4 A beach chair warmer.

Speaker 4 Actually, you probably have enough followers on Instagram where they could, you could probably just be a resort influencer where you go on vacations, post pictures of you in the water, drinking a frozen concoction, and then that's your life.

Speaker 4 It's crossed my mind. Yeah.

Speaker 4 They crossed everyone's mind. Just own a bar, maybe a bowling alley in the Bahamas.
No one loves to. I own one of those

Speaker 4 pedal boats that cruises by people on the beach and hands out pineapple drinks. Cocaine.
Yeah. I mean, that's for the record.

Speaker 4 I'm not ever going to leave this show unless it's if I got a job offer to be like a train conductor. That'd be pretty cool.
All right. We'll see everyone on Friday.
You get to wear the hat.

Speaker 4 Are we not doing ping pong balls? Oh, yeah. 88.
Done so many today. I forgot.
44.

Speaker 4 6.

Speaker 4 22.

Speaker 4 You know what? Yeah, 22. 12.

Speaker 4 12. 8, 8, 8.

Speaker 4 60. Holy shit, I thought that was 69 for a second.
Second time. 60.
Love you guys.

Speaker 7 Footballs are not actually made out of pigskin, but rather beef bladder.

Speaker 7 Talking away.

Speaker 7 Though I don't know what I'm to say, I'd say it anyway.

Speaker 4 Today's a mountain to find you. Shy it away.

Speaker 4 Oh, I'll be coming for your love, okay.

Speaker 4 Shy it away.

Speaker 4 Oh, I'll be coming for your love, okay.

Speaker 4 I'll be born

Speaker 4 with

Speaker 4 you.

Speaker 4 on

Speaker 4 me

Speaker 4 on

Speaker 4 I'll be

Speaker 4 gone

Speaker 4 But I don't want to

Speaker 4 be less insane

Speaker 4 I've said it's but I'll be stole a little way

Speaker 4 Telling them that life is okay

Speaker 4 Say up to me,

Speaker 4 it's no better to be safe and sorry. Say up to me,

Speaker 4 it's no better to be safe and sorry.

Speaker 4 Take

Speaker 4 on

Speaker 4 me,

Speaker 4 take

Speaker 4 me

Speaker 4 on.

Speaker 4 I'll be gone

Speaker 4 for the next day of two.

Speaker 4 Hoping that you saved every little iceberg. Just to play my worries away.

Speaker 4 You're all things I've got to remember.

Speaker 4 Shy and away.

Speaker 4 I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 4 Take on

Speaker 4 me.

Speaker 4 Take

Speaker 4 me

Speaker 4 on.

Speaker 4 I'll be gone

Speaker 4 in a day.

Speaker 4 I'll be

Speaker 4 gone

Speaker 4 in a day,

Speaker 4 take

Speaker 4 on

Speaker 4 me,

Speaker 4 take

Speaker 4 me

Speaker 4 up.

Speaker 4 I'll be gone

Speaker 4 in a day.