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Speaker 5 On today's part of my take, we have former

Speaker 17 Oregon duck, former Detroit lion.

Speaker 19 Third pick in the draft, Joey Harrington.

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Speaker 3 Great interview with Joey. We brought him up a couple weeks ago just randomly.

Speaker 9 So he reached out and it was awesome to have him on.

Speaker 22 Talked about his entire career and what maybe went wrong. Great interview.

Speaker 23 Also, some good insight on Nick Sabin as an NFL coach.

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Speaker 36 Today is Wednesday, December 15th,

Speaker 20 and the Los Angeles Rams are back.

Speaker 37 No longer frauds.

Speaker 36 They got their big win.

Speaker 6 Matt Stafford gets a big win against a good team on Monday night football.

Speaker 21 He was throwing dimes.

Speaker 3 Aaron Donald was incredible.

Speaker 38 And

Speaker 3 I don't want to say anything that will hurt anyone's feelings, but

Speaker 9 Kyler Murray does have interceptions where he's too short.

Speaker 2 Well, he looks shorter in the red.

Speaker 2 I think when he's wearing the all-red strip that they've got, that takes away at least like six to eight inches his head looks bigger with the white helmet he actually does look like that meme i don't know if it was barstall goosh that actually came up with that photoshop originally but the tiny kyler murray where he looks like

Speaker 2 he looks like a cute little baby from super smash brothers yeah and uh he actually looks like that when he's wearing the red uniform at home the cardinals really just have a home problem i think

Speaker 2 they they're really good on the road they're three and three at home and i know a lot of people were upset and annoyed at the yelling guy that they had down in in Phoenix that was just screaming at the top of his lungs.

Speaker 2 I like that guy.

Speaker 2 That guy was the only guy that was bringing the fucking noise. That's a guy that should be celebrated.

Speaker 2 I actually think that the fact that we could hear that guy yelling so loudly, that ties into their home field advantage problem because everybody should be yelling as loud as that guy.

Speaker 15 Or he's just sitting next to a microphone, which it sounded like he was actually eating the microphone at times.

Speaker 2 We shouldn't be able to pick out that one dude yelling. You need to have louder fans at home.
I'm putting this loss on the entire city of Arizona.

Speaker 6 It was, it was, I mean, Kyler Murray didn't play well.

Speaker 16 They just made mistakes.

Speaker 3 Like those two interceptions were, you can't have an interception on the five-yard line and the interception where Leonard Floyd, like that was the one where you're saying, listen, Kyler Murray's really, really good.

Speaker 17 There's no doubt that he is a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 16 But there are plays where you wish he was a few inches taller.

Speaker 39 I think that's totally fair to say.

Speaker 6 I wish he was a little bit taller in that one instance where he was trying to throw it over Leonard Floyd.

Speaker 7 And it's not even that he couldn't see over Leonard Floyd.

Speaker 18 It's like he didn't understand that Leonard Floyd could easily jump up and catch that because Leonard Floyd's that much taller.

Speaker 2 I'll give you a counterexample, though, Big Cat. I think that there was one play, I think it might have even been the last play of the game, but there were some other plays that he mixed in.

Speaker 13 I'm aware.

Speaker 2 But on that last play,

Speaker 2 he almost got sacked first, and he's able to duck under sacks more easily because he's 5'10 or 5'9 or whatever. It does happen a few times a game where somebody will come in and they don't know.

Speaker 2 It's very hard for a defensive lineman to hit Kyler Murray in a way that's legal by Roger Goodell's new rules of the game.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, he's slippery, and he's so fast, and he makes so many awesome plays.

Speaker 2 It is at shoulder level for him, so it's tough sometimes. He's able to duck underneath a lot of these sacks.

Speaker 2 He ended up getting, really just falling down on his own on that last play and got the sack at the end of the game. But

Speaker 2 I think sometimes his height works to his advantage in a weird way.

Speaker 36 Yeah, yeah, I would take that.

Speaker 38 I just, that letter Floyd picked up.

Speaker 8 That was a short

Speaker 48 sack. That's what you're doing.

Speaker 21 He can clearly catch that.

Speaker 3 Also, I like the fact that Kyler Murray's a little shorter because it makes James Conner look like the largest running back of all time.

Speaker 21 Like he's, I had to go look up his height because I was like, is James Conner 6'5?

Speaker 51 He's only 6'1, but he looks so tall because he runs in an upright position.

Speaker 23 And also, he's standing next to Kyler Murray.

Speaker 9 The big story, though, from this game,

Speaker 21 obviously everyone knows Aaron Donald is incredible.

Speaker 15 He completely wrecked that game multiple times.

Speaker 52 They should count, by the way.

Speaker 15 Blatant holds should count as sacks for the defensive lineman.

Speaker 18 There was a couple of times where it was, was the guy had to wrestle Aaron Donald to the ground.

Speaker 43 That was the only way that he wasn't going to give up a sack.

Speaker 42 But the big story of the game for me, at least, was Matt Stafford playing lights out, making huge throws time and time again.

Speaker 3 And we all know the Matt Stafford stat where against good teams, he has not performed well in his career.

Speaker 17 That's a lot of Lions.

Speaker 42 But that was a big, big game for Matt Stafford when the questions were starting to be asked again.

Speaker 2 I think Detroit fans are probably rooting for Matt Stafford, right? I'd actually like to hear from Detroit Lions fans.

Speaker 2 Are you getting like vicarious pleasure out of watching Matt Stafford actually win games for a change?

Speaker 2 Do you want him to get a Super Bowl, or are you kind of like bitter? Like, yeah, you broke up with your girlfriend, but then she had a major, major upgrade, and now she just married a billionaire?

Speaker 21 I think they're absolutely rooting for him because he left the city

Speaker 17 on good terms. You could see how much Detroit meant to him.

Speaker 54 I think he's still doing a lot of charity work there.

Speaker 18 Like, that was one of those, hey, maybe it's just good for both of us to walk away from this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, fly away, Freebird. Right.
I'm rooting for you.

Speaker 30 I think so, too.

Speaker 2 I think that Lions fans, that's kind of the one thing that they can have sometimes is occasionally, if your best players don't retire first, when they go somewhere else, you can root for them.

Speaker 56 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Now, a guy like when they do the rent a player, like when Kyle Van Neu comes from the Patriots, they do that a lot.

Speaker 2 They just like borrow players from the Patriots, give them money, and then the Patriots players go back to New England and win.

Speaker 2 I don't think they like those guys, but a guy like Matt Stafford, I think it's tough not to root for him.

Speaker 2 And when he was connecting connecting deep that one pass that he had to uh to the guy's son to van jefferson van jefferson that was a sick pass he has he's he was so dying his arm looks way better than it did like three weeks ago when everybody was saying that he was hurt yeah and it was a big like that was a big moment a big game that has a lot to do with seeding and winning the nfc west and he stepped up and he was like that was one of those games aaron donald's the best player on on the field i think we can all agree on that just because of how much he just wrecks shit but matt stafford was the best offensive player on the field and he was, you know, Cooper Cup was awesome.

Speaker 53 Like Odell's getting in the mix.

Speaker 42 I just, I walked away from that game being like, okay, Matt Stafford, that's the Hall of Fame Matt Stafford that I hope gets there so I can pull up a tweet from five years ago saying you were going to be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 And the other big takeaway is that Brian Greasy is still hoping for a field goal towards the end of the game.

Speaker 34 Yes. He really wanted that field.

Speaker 48 He had the over. Yeah.

Speaker 47 Because he overhit with the field goal.

Speaker 2 He did. He really wanted that field goal on the even the drive before they kicked the field goal.
He wanted the field goal then. He was getting greedy with his field goal requests.

Speaker 48 Yeah.

Speaker 13 He was right, though.

Speaker 48 He was right. He was right.
He was right.

Speaker 32 They should kick field goals.

Speaker 9 I mean, Slater's a very good

Speaker 9 Prater.

Speaker 3 Prater's a very good field goal kicker, and they should have kicked it earlier, and they should have kicked it on the drive before.

Speaker 37 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And also, more big news, we got another on-side kick recovery by the team that did not win.

Speaker 2 That was the team that Billy was alluding to when he said that three teams recovered an on-site kick and did not win. He was just seeing into the future.

Speaker 13 Yeah, well, no, the Lions also.

Speaker 15 Remember?

Speaker 2 It was the Giants, not the Lions.

Speaker 13 Oh, it was the Giants.

Speaker 58 Yeah.

Speaker 2 yeah for the record so there were four no it's four now it's four yeah now it's four he uh i think they said prater's like four for 15 or something which feels really good yeah he i think he was three for 12 going in so he might even be like four for 13 or 14 crazy crazy i love that little dribbler up the middle yes i love that on-site kick yeah because no one really wants to touch it and they're all scared and also the kickers are nerds so they don't want to hang out around them and they're like

Speaker 56 is it against like you know

Speaker 56 the respect of the game to for a kicker to not just blast the ball at the other side?

Speaker 61 Oh, off someone's face? Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I don't know why they don't do that.

Speaker 56 Like you would you would think you'd get a good ricochet back.

Speaker 2 You could do it. Yeah, I mean if you could aim it directly at one guy's helmet.

Speaker 13 I don't know why they don't do that.

Speaker 25 Well, but if you're not

Speaker 56 as hard as you can, they're not going to catch it.

Speaker 2 Right, but you're probably going to miss him. And then if you miss him, it's just going to go like 50 yards or out of bounds.

Speaker 35 They should do that, though.

Speaker 33 Not maybe in that moment when you actually, when you absolutely need the recovery, but like in the middle of the second quarter, you score a touchdown, just try to, like,

Speaker 18 worst case, it bounces off them, and I don't know, they probably end up in like around midfield, but it could also be a squib kick that goes all the way down, or you blast them in the face and recover.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, let's think about this because in soccer, a penalty kick is 12 yards away, right? And you think

Speaker 2 if they were trying to hit the goalie on every kick, they could probably do it. So, the kick on a kickoff is 10 yards away.

Speaker 65 So, you could probably come pretty close.

Speaker 38 But remember, too, there's more goalies, and a lot of the goalies in this analogy are kind of leaning back, going backwards.

Speaker 2 But I don't think that you could aim for a goalie, miss the goalie, and have it hit another ⁇ because the goalies are too far apart.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, they're close enough if you just blast it.

Speaker 67 This is the exact strategy in Pop Warner, because no one can catch the ball like that. They just have the kicker just blast at some poor kid with no hands.

Speaker 2 It would just be funny to watch. I still think a drop kick on kickoffs is by far the easiest way to recover.
You can just sky that up in the air, run 10 yards. Easy catch.

Speaker 13 Can't you fair catch it, though?

Speaker 68 I'm not aware.

Speaker 59 This is like the Harbaugh thing.

Speaker 68 I mean,

Speaker 37 you can fair catch any.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Harbaugh tried doing it.
Yeah, and I think it worked actually.

Speaker 2 You brought this up a lot to coaches. Yeah, to coaches, and Harbaugh tried doing it, and it worked.

Speaker 20 A drop kick, on-side kick?

Speaker 67 You can't fair catch it.

Speaker 2 On a drop kick? I know you can't on a kickoff.

Speaker 67 You can fair catch it, but if you drop it, then they can't.

Speaker 60 Well, yeah, of course. Yeah.

Speaker 17 On-side kick, harbaugh.

Speaker 10 I'm looking it up right now because I want to see this.

Speaker 70 I can't.

Speaker 2 You could also.

Speaker 9 NFL bans Ravens' crazy kickoff drop kick after watching Baltimore use it just one time.

Speaker 64 They banned it? Yeah.

Speaker 60 Fucking goodell.

Speaker 18 So that's why it never happens.

Speaker 2 So I broke the NFL.

Speaker 21 Oh, yeah, it was Justin Tucker.

Speaker 15 Yeah, did the drop kick, and the Chiefs just had no idea what to do.

Speaker 21 Yeah, he could have fair caught it and he just did it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but they didn't know what to do about it.

Speaker 42 Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 23 So, oh, no, the Ravens didn't even recover the on-side kick.

Speaker 13 Oh, well, it was cool.

Speaker 43 That was cool until I looked it up.

Speaker 8 My bad.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 13 I kind of ruined that.

Speaker 25 It's banned and it didn't work.

Speaker 47 Yeah, but it's kind of badass that it's banned now.

Speaker 2 It's too hot for TV.

Speaker 14 That's true.

Speaker 2 Kickers going wild, baby.

Speaker 14 You took a real turn right there.

Speaker 2 You brought up a good point earlier when you were saying that if a player gets a blatant hold, a defensive player, that they should count that as a sack for their stats. Absolutely, they should.

Speaker 2 I also think that, and you'll like this one too, big cat, if Aaron Rodgers sees a flag on the field for an encroachment and then he throws like a 60-yard bomb that he wouldn't have thrown anyways, that shouldn't count as a touchdown for his career stats.

Speaker 34 Yes, yes, because it was cheating.

Speaker 2 It was cheating, and it was a play that he was taking advantage of a loophole in the rules.

Speaker 16 I just know there was at least one, maybe two plays last night where Aaron Donald was so unblockable, the offensive lineman just gave up and like bear hugged him.

Speaker 33 So, like, those type of plays.

Speaker 3 And I think it was actually Greasy who pointed out.

Speaker 18 He's like, that's just as good as a sack.

Speaker 21 Obviously, you replay the down, so it's not just as good as a sack, but you do lose the 10 yards.

Speaker 2 That's probably the next gen in terms terms of analytics.

Speaker 2 If a company can like figure out, pro football folk is probably working on it right now in between their mock draft grades that they're putting out now.

Speaker 2 They're probably figuring out a way that they can say, okay, this lineman actually knows what's more, you know, big cat, you know, what's even more valuable than quarterback pressures is drawing holds.

Speaker 55 Holds, holds, or a receiver being able to get...

Speaker 2 interfered with. That's the most valuable trade of all.

Speaker 71 Yes.

Speaker 20 I also, so this is something different than Monday night football.

Speaker 17 We never even talked about the fact that Stephon Diggs on Sunday looked to the ref to try to get a flag thrown and just like basically gave up on the play.

Speaker 15 Twice. I'm still mad about that.
Twice.

Speaker 2 I think we did bring it up.

Speaker 56 I'm not mad about it.

Speaker 2 But yeah, he should not have done that. And then now I saw a lot of people from Bill's Mafia tweeting a screenshot of Stephon Diggs getting held later on in the game.

Speaker 59 Right.

Speaker 58 That happened too.

Speaker 2 The refs missed the pass interference in the end zone. Of course they did.
But yeah, it's probably a good idea to try to make a catch as the play is going on instead of looking for a flag.

Speaker 8 Right.

Speaker 17 And also it was a fade, and I just don't, like you should get you should get you shouldn't even get pass interference calls on fades because it's such a dumb play call.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I also think that the refs are less likely to throw a flag if you give up on a route and start complaining to them while the ball is still in the air.

Speaker 13 Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. No one likes to be shown up.

Speaker 45 It's the, you know, it's James Harden looking for a foul without, you know, going through, like actually playing through contact.

Speaker 57 Actually, James Harden plays through contact, but James Harden, but he would look for a foul.

Speaker 17 There's guys, Miritich, Nicola Miritich used to always do that where he would basically stop playing looking for a foul, and the ref be like, nope, because you're being a bitch, I'm not going to call this foul.

Speaker 2 I could also see James Harden looking for a shooting foul to get called, but he never actually attempts the shot. Yeah.
He's like about to be on his way up.

Speaker 2 He gets hit, and instead of attempting the shot, he just looks at the ref like, that was a shooting foul. Yes.

Speaker 37 Yes.

Speaker 36 All right. Any other things for Monday Night Football?

Speaker 17 I mean, we're, I was looking at this upcoming

Speaker 33 weekend, and it's coming down to it.

Speaker 21 Like, all these games, a lot of these games have some big time.

Speaker 17 The Chiefs Chargers game on Thursday night has huge, huge significance.

Speaker 33 You would be back in the, if the,

Speaker 31 you actually do have a bet on this game.

Speaker 8 I do.

Speaker 18 Because if the Chargers win this game, they're most likely going to win the AFC West.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I have all my money right now is tied up in futures, big cat. That's why I can't bet.
Not because I lost all my money gambling. I've just got so many futures that I'm waiting.

Speaker 2 I'm good for it, you know? Like, I'm sure Jameis Winston will win comeback player of the year this year, and I'll be a rich man when that happens. But

Speaker 2 I think I'm going to bet on the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 I haven't made my official decision on which team I'm going to bet on without actually betting on, but I think it's going to be the Chiefs just because I think Slater is such a big loss and COVID is about to just

Speaker 17 Chris Jones though on the other side.

Speaker 2 Not to poke the bear on COVID, but

Speaker 42 sounds like you're about to poke the bear on the COVID.

Speaker 58 I'm not going to poke the bear on COVID.

Speaker 17 But yeah, COVID is back and it's a problem.

Speaker 48 It's back. Although it's a very big issue.

Speaker 2 Florio with a 180.

Speaker 37 What?

Speaker 8 That I didn't see coming at all.

Speaker 50 Do tell.

Speaker 2 Mike Florio, because I started to get... Here's how I know that Florio's really dropped a fucking bomb on his little TV show that he does on the cock.

Speaker 2 Is I start to get tagged in tweets in the morning from old people that live in Ohio that think that I'm Mike Florio.

Speaker 8 Right.

Speaker 2 And they're mad at me for something. So today I started to get some tweets that were like, thanks for coming around, Mike.

Speaker 65 We love you.

Speaker 2 We appreciate you. And I was like, what's going on here? Turns out that Florio has come 180 degrees.

Speaker 2 Now he has to take that if a player in the NFL tests positive and they are asymptomatic, they should still practice and play.

Speaker 60 Wow.

Speaker 13 Because

Speaker 2 he said that there's no evidence of on-field transmission of COVID, which, if true,

Speaker 2 that makes sense then, right? Yeah. If people aren't passing it to each other, but then you have to think, like, what about the other people in the facilities?

Speaker 2 There's other stuff that hurts my brain when all the details come into play, but I didn't see Mike making that move.

Speaker 55 Yeah, that is a weird one.

Speaker 41 He's late in the game. Yeah.

Speaker 20 Like the time was about to expire, and he just threw that up.

Speaker 48 That would be awesome.

Speaker 25 I didn't see that coming that far.

Speaker 2 How awesome would it be

Speaker 2 if Floria went like full Clay Travis?

Speaker 16 It would be great.

Speaker 18 Just so he'll turn on everyone's face.

Speaker 3 Mike, you can do it.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 18 it's going to be...

Speaker 14 Right around

Speaker 65 with playoffs coming too, I don't know.

Speaker 17 They're going to probably have to update their policy.

Speaker 10 It's going to be bad.

Speaker 56 Did you see that on week 18? They're flexing two games to Saturday night with playoff implications.

Speaker 13 I did.

Speaker 12 Yes, I did.

Speaker 52 So that might be...

Speaker 34 That would be cool if it was

Speaker 56 both AFC North.

Speaker 68 No, it's not the same time, right?

Speaker 56 No, different times. Yeah.
But I think they'll do one AFC North primetime game Saturday, one Sunday, if I had to guess.

Speaker 2 Oh, so both AFC Norths. I think there might be an NFC West in there.
Wait, week 18.

Speaker 54 Oh, yeah, because week 18 is January 18th. Well, no,

Speaker 56 they'll do two playoff implication games on Saturday.

Speaker 56 But I think they'll do.

Speaker 56 Like, the AFC North is going to be the division that it all decides.

Speaker 16 That's going to be decided. Yes.
Yes.

Speaker 2 It's so weird because it's going to be... It's Monday night football, but it's on Saturday.
And usually they do Thursday night football, Saturday edition.

Speaker 74 Right.

Speaker 2 It's going to be all fucked up. Right.

Speaker 15 It's going to be tough, but more football.

Speaker 70 It feels like more football.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's actually the exact same amount of football. But they spread it out.
But it's not. It's more football.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 55 It's like loaded nachos that are sky high or maybe a big plate of them that you can see all the chips.

Speaker 2 Yeah, what I like about that is I... I think of more football just like days that I have football on.

Speaker 13 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Because this is a more day of football. Yes,

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Speaker 50 Henry Lockwood, hot seat cool throw.

Speaker 56 Thank you, Big Cat.

Speaker 37 You're in such a good mood.

Speaker 56 I'm always in a great mood. And I just want to, you know, I know there's a lot of people going through a lot of things.

Speaker 56 I might need a little motivation, so just think big, trust yourself, make it happen. We're getting there.

Speaker 13 Make your bed. Make, yeah.

Speaker 56 My hot seat is the ACC, the Atlantic Coast Conference,

Speaker 56 a premier conference. You know,

Speaker 56 our entire livelihood while they're joking football this year.

Speaker 2 Yeah, cross-country dynamic.

Speaker 56 Joking football this year. In basketball, thank God for Duke because they're the only team that's even decent in the ACC.

Speaker 3 Let's see if Duke can make it sober to march.

Speaker 56 They've lost six bye games.

Speaker 70 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Six.

Speaker 17 Which, would you like to explain what a bye game is?

Speaker 2 Which became the epitome of brutality. Yes.

Speaker 60 It is.

Speaker 56 It's when a big school pays a little school to play them.

Speaker 56 I've never fully understood that. It's always like a tweet where it's like...

Speaker 19 It's supposed to be for your.

Speaker 56 This team paid $405,000 and lost.

Speaker 13 Yeah, because they're doing it to pump up their schedule. Yeah, and which is.

Speaker 2 So a team like Virginia Tech hypothetically would pay James Madison to come down to Blacksburg and ideally beat them instead of losing 21 to 17.

Speaker 2 But then they pay the money because that's a notch in their record book, which boosts them up at the end of the year for the rankings.

Speaker 2 So they get to to sell out a game.

Speaker 46 Which doesn't even really work the same way it used to because it actually is antiquated because it used to be, you know, there was back in the day when it was essentially if you get to 20 wins, you're in the tournament, and it didn't really matter who the wins were.

Speaker 23 Now there's analytics, and everyone's got the rankings and net rankings and quad one wins and everything.

Speaker 3 So these by games, you could make the argument for practice purpose, like, hey, you get the guys an extra game where you get some run and try out some new things.

Speaker 13 But it does, Jake, you can, like, would you back me up?

Speaker 15 Like, it only can hurt you at this point.

Speaker 13 It can only hurt you.

Speaker 37 It doesn't help you with a resume at all.

Speaker 76 And the mid-majors, it can help them too. Right.
But seeing mid-majors sometimes getting at large, rarely.

Speaker 4 But it used to be that you would just basically

Speaker 26 look at the

Speaker 17 final standings and be like, if you have 20 wins, you're pretty much in.

Speaker 76 Yeah, now if you have a loss that stands out,

Speaker 13 you can be fucked.

Speaker 76 Like if Duke loses his next three to South Carolina State, App State, or Cleveland State, Would be a real shame.

Speaker 2 Do you have to schedule, Jake, do you have to schedule the same amount of games each school? It's like, here's a minimum.

Speaker 76 No, because some play in the early season tournaments, like Wisconsin play three games in three days.

Speaker 26 Although those are guaranteed games, but yeah, those can change it.

Speaker 2 Is there a window, though? Like,

Speaker 2 what's to stop a school from just doing, we're going to play like three.

Speaker 78 I think there's a math

Speaker 60 games in there.

Speaker 8 There's a minimum of schedule.

Speaker 9 And obviously the conference schedule is set.

Speaker 13 Right.

Speaker 37 And the conferences has more.

Speaker 76 Like, I know the Big East is playing. I guess some of them are playing 20, some play 18.

Speaker 21 So it depends. Either way, buy games.

Speaker 8 Yeah, hot seat, for sure.

Speaker 2 I think it's usually just like an athletic director having a friend who's an athletic director at another school. Hey, do you want this check? Cool.
All right, we're still friends.

Speaker 54 Yeah, and to not use it on your kids?

Speaker 17 You want this check and to not have to actually like buy new uniforms and stuff?

Speaker 2 Awesome. I got this money.

Speaker 8 Take it. Here you go.

Speaker 17 I wonder if we could figure out a way legally to like make us buy game possible.

Speaker 14 Because there is like incarnate word and shit.

Speaker 13 Like IG or whatever.

Speaker 47 No, yeah.

Speaker 5 Like what if Duke could, if we're like, hey, Duke, for $300,000, you can schedule a part of my take and beat the fuck out of me.

Speaker 13 Yeah, we're answering your call.

Speaker 2 We hire, yeah, Bishop Thickamore. Why?

Speaker 42 Because I would buy beer for Pablo.

Speaker 77 Disgusting slander.

Speaker 59 Pablo. Put against a.

Speaker 71 What's his name? Pablo.

Speaker 60 Pablo Picardo.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I would buy beer from him, and he'd probably get so drunk that he gets cramps and he can't compete anymore.

Speaker 56 Either way, it's bad for the ACC. I think coming off the fact that they were a joke in football this year, too, just it's it's tough.
It's tough if you're, you know.

Speaker 13 Bad days for the Atlantic Coast Conference.

Speaker 56 Power Conference once for longer.

Speaker 13 Power conference,

Speaker 2 Ever since they decided to move out of Greensboro, that's when it all went south.

Speaker 56 My cool throne is Boston Esports. Robert Kraft bought a Call of Duty team.

Speaker 56 So

Speaker 56 they're my new esports team.

Speaker 2 I'm sure they're going to be excellent.

Speaker 68 Has everything?

Speaker 56 So I've actually been following the Call of Duty league since the pandemic. We got into it.
I met some of their players, and so I've been following along.

Speaker 56 They basically didn't have a 12th team. It was a disaster.
The league's in total shambles.

Speaker 56 Everyone says that buying these roster spots is a waste of money, all these things. And I would have agreed with them until Robert Kraft bought the 12 spot, and now it's genius investment.

Speaker 56 I'm all the way in Boston esports to the moon.

Speaker 2 Wait, do you have to be in Boston to play for the team?

Speaker 56 No, so

Speaker 13 the Call of Duty.

Speaker 56 They tried to franchise it.

Speaker 56 They also got fucked because they literally started the league in January. Then COVID happened.
But they tried to do the franchise model where they do different cities.

Speaker 56 But then during COVID, everyone just moved to Texas because that's where the best internet is. So it's like.

Speaker 59 Really?

Speaker 12 Is that true?

Speaker 56 Apparently, yeah.

Speaker 56 Fiber. No, that's where.
No.

Speaker 56 Although, like, if you're... A lot of video game people move to Texas.

Speaker 2 They do have Google Fiber in Austin.

Speaker 56 Something like that. Yeah.

Speaker 56 But yeah, so the Call of Duty League is a shit show. Not anymore, though, because Robert Kraft's involved.
And, you know, Boston Esports of the Moon.

Speaker 56 My other cool throne is the under in the West Ham Arsenal game.

Speaker 69 Oh, good pick.

Speaker 79 Thank you.

Speaker 2 Hank's a soccer sharp now.

Speaker 60 That's tomorrow, though.

Speaker 70 Today. It's today.

Speaker 15 Wednesday.

Speaker 13 Are you sure? Yeah.

Speaker 70 Oh.

Speaker 2 What time is the game?

Speaker 2 3.30, I believe. I think it's Wednesday.

Speaker 33 Oh, today you mean Wednesday. Yeah.

Speaker 50 It's not happening right now.

Speaker 56 No, I would not give a pick for

Speaker 60 yesterday.

Speaker 77 Got it.

Speaker 2 So, Hank, you've been doing a lot of research on soccer games?

Speaker 56 Yeah, I'm just a big footy fan. You guys know me over the years.

Speaker 56 Huge footy guy. Been on a heater the last couple days, so I'm just going to try and keep it going.

Speaker 2 Hank Ladwood. Yeah.

Speaker 17 Take that under.

Speaker 8 Thanks for the lock, Hank.

Speaker 59 You're welcome. Appreciate it.

Speaker 56 That's what I do for you guys. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Because I care.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you do.

Speaker 16 All right, PFT, your hot seat cool throng.

Speaker 2 My hot seat is Manners.

Speaker 2 I'm putting Manners on the hot seat. There was

Speaker 2 an ugly article that came out in the Washington Post earlier today about the falling out between Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen, former president of the Washington football team.

Speaker 2 And this is maybe the most hilarious on-the-nose Dan Snyder anecdote that I've ever heard. So they're engaged in a lawsuit, going back and forth on a bunch of stuff.
And it said that

Speaker 2 Snyder's grievances with Allen range from conspiratorial to petty. So when Snyder hired Ron Rivera,

Speaker 2 Bruce Allen sent Ron Rivera a text saying, congratulations, Ron. I'm very proud of you, very happy for you.
This is great.

Speaker 2 Dan Snyder found out that Bruce Allen congratulated Ron Rivera and got pissed off that Bruce Allen didn't send a text to Dan Snyder congratulating him on hiring Ron Rivera. Got it.
At the same time.

Speaker 2 So then they're going back and forth with all these discussions and

Speaker 2 all these different stipulations for the lawsuit. And

Speaker 2 Snyder put in writing in a letter to Bruce Allen:

Speaker 2 I understand that Mr. Allen has agreed to send a text message to Mr.
Snyder stating, Congrats on the hire, as a condition for them settling their lawsuit with each other.

Speaker 2 He still wanted Bruce Allen to text him saying, congratulations on hiring Ron Rivera.

Speaker 13 I agree with him.

Speaker 2 I think it's a disgrace.

Speaker 2 It's indicative of why Bruce Allen was probably fired, that he's the type of person that doesn't have the morals to congratulate somebody on making a good hire of another person.

Speaker 2 And apparently Bruce Allen has not agreed to that stipulation.

Speaker 56 Well, Dan Snyder didn't hire him.

Speaker 13 Dan Snyder hired Ron Rivera.

Speaker 13 Did he, though? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, his wife did, because his wife handles day-to-day operations of the team.

Speaker 70 Who did Bruce Allen congratulate?

Speaker 2 Bruce Allen congratulated Ron Rivera on getting hired.

Speaker 74 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 32 I like this.

Speaker 17 Like, if you're a rich dude and you get in all these legal trappings and you're just dragging shit through court, why not be as petty as possible?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I love it. I actually, I think that Dan Snyder is right.
He deserves to be congratulated for getting something right from Todd's.

Speaker 36 Yeah, yes. So, Dan Snyder,

Speaker 2 you know what? I'll be the bigger man than Bruce Allen. I've probably done worse shit to you than Bruce Allen's ever done, said worse things at least.
Congratulations on hiring Ron Rivera.

Speaker 2 I'm very proud of you.

Speaker 17 I'm going to double that. Congratulations, Dan Snyder, on hiring Ron Rivera.

Speaker 13 Thank you.

Speaker 56 Incredible All thumbs up the message.

Speaker 60 Okay, thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Congrats, Dan Snyder.

Speaker 59 Thank you. Congrats.
That counts.

Speaker 2 My cool throne is

Speaker 2 making material mistakes. UEFA was doing their Champions League draw.
Did you see that? Yeah. They're doing their Champions League draw, and they fucked up the pools.
The ping pong.

Speaker 2 This is why you just need one ping-pong ball machine and not like six of them that you're drawing from. They fucked up the draw, screwed over.
Who they screwed over? Like Real Madrid?

Speaker 57 Yeah, there's a couple teams.

Speaker 17 There's some teams that everyone's crying foul.

Speaker 2 so they said like ari abraham when he did the material change thing uefa's their uh their verbiage was we have made a material mistake in our draw so we're going to redo the entire thing do it all over again

Speaker 2 good job good job anything that's associated with soccer you can always count on just it being insanely rigged and corrupt yeah yeah yeah to the max um all right my hot seat is ray allen uh steph curry is going to by the time you're listening to this steph curry has already broken the record three-point record

Speaker 21 He's doing it at Madison Square Garden tonight.

Speaker 17 I'm actually going to go to the game.

Speaker 10 I'm excited for it. What are you going to say, Hank?

Speaker 56 You don't know that.

Speaker 13 Okay, you're right.

Speaker 13 Blood Jake. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is growing.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I think it's true colors.

Speaker 2 True colors.

Speaker 16 He can't help himself.

Speaker 56 That's awesome, big cat. I bet you it was an awesome environment to be in.

Speaker 15 He has to make. He must have been sick.

Speaker 13 He has to make haters back.

Speaker 2 I'm just trying to.

Speaker 34 Two threes tonight.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 33 But you're right.

Speaker 56 So, no, technically, I am.

Speaker 13 You're right.

Speaker 77 You're right.

Speaker 2 Wait, are you sitting in the nosebleeds?

Speaker 41 I'm not.

Speaker 3 I'm going to send a picture.

Speaker 40 No, I won't even send a picture because I don't want to be shamed.

Speaker 13 That sounds awesome.

Speaker 2 Are you sitting higher or lower than Jake and the lads?

Speaker 35 You know that, you know, that you can't tweet a picture.

Speaker 3 I tweeted a picture from Army, Navy, and everyone's like, these seats suck.

Speaker 5 I was in a box.

Speaker 8 Either say, oh, wow, you don't need to brag if you're on the floor.

Speaker 37 Yeah.

Speaker 64 Or.

Speaker 41 Yeah, see, no way. Yeah.

Speaker 37 No win. No win.

Speaker 13 I mean, you got a little mecha fix going.

Speaker 56 What? You got a little mecha fix going.

Speaker 20 This is my second game, yes, that I've gone to.

Speaker 17 Do you have a connect? That's a fix. No.

Speaker 41 Just going to the game.

Speaker 59 Hank and I are on the bottom of the game.

Speaker 56 Well, I didn't know if it was like, you know, you had such a good experience at the Bulls game that you're like, no,

Speaker 37 I got to get back in there.

Speaker 23 A friend of mine moved to New York and I hadn't seen him yet, so we're like, let's go to a game.

Speaker 2 You know, just guy stuff.

Speaker 71 Is that okay with you?

Speaker 13 I'm just curious where the seats are.

Speaker 68 Okay, cool.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 17 I'll send you a picture.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I want to roast. Are you cool? You're the one that's.

Speaker 60 Are you okay with that?

Speaker 13 No, actually, you know what? I'm being wrong.

Speaker 68 I'm wrong.

Speaker 56 No, I'm wrong.

Speaker 9 I wanted to go see Steph Curry possibly break a record tonight.

Speaker 21 I'm feeling like I'm getting some pushback.

Speaker 8 Maybe should I cancel?

Speaker 68 Oh, I said he was not going to break the record. He's like you have

Speaker 68 to do better. That's not

Speaker 68 a negative thing at all.

Speaker 14 I won't go.

Speaker 2 It does seem like Hank is jealous that you are going to potentially witness history.

Speaker 15 You want to come?

Speaker 56 No, I'm not saying that.

Speaker 56 I was just trying to further the conversation. It's like, oh, Bitcoin, you've been going to the MECA a lot.

Speaker 79 That's a fact.

Speaker 56 Twice. In how many weeks?

Speaker 77 Three.

Speaker 56 How many weeks have you basically spike Lee?

Speaker 2 Yeah, basically Spike Lee.

Speaker 13 But that's not like a negative thing.

Speaker 68 That's just like,

Speaker 56 oh, like

Speaker 25 fun little factor. And maybe Ray Allen.

Speaker 56 And technically, maybe

Speaker 13 the letter of the law,

Speaker 56 he might not get it.

Speaker 13 He might not get it. Now I'm actually rooting for him to not get it.

Speaker 71 I hope he does.

Speaker 13 I'm rooting for him to not get it. That would be very funny for this show.

Speaker 59 I hope he gets hurt.

Speaker 48 I hope he gets paralyzed.

Speaker 3 What if the first quarter never breaks the record?

Speaker 2 What if he doesn't make a single three? What if he takes like 10 of them? What if he has the worst night of his life?

Speaker 1 No, what if he actually gets hurt and it's a career-altering injury?

Speaker 21 He never gets back out there.

Speaker 3 But do you think they do, do you think the NBA would allow him to do like a Bernie Mac Mr.

Speaker 9 3000 where he like RIP?

Speaker 18 Yeah, they have Steph Curry come out in a wheelchair to shoot one last three to tie the record.

Speaker 2 And he's got like a little

Speaker 2 device on his wheelchair that like shoots it up with one of those arms, pneumatic arms.

Speaker 61 What time are you posting this?

Speaker 8 Because this, like, what happens if he does have a terrible

Speaker 38 injury?

Speaker 2 It wouldn't be funny.

Speaker 2 Oh, it'd be, but it would be hilarious.

Speaker 48 It would be very, very funny.

Speaker 70 Yes. Hilariously funny.

Speaker 16 What are you looking up, Jake?

Speaker 76 How many threes did he need?

Speaker 47 Two?

Speaker 21 I think he needs one to tie, two to break.

Speaker 76 November 21st, he went one of six. He's made

Speaker 71 October 19th.

Speaker 11 He's in the opening night, two for eight at the Lakers.

Speaker 76 Every other game, at least three.

Speaker 8 So he had one game where he hit one.

Speaker 58 And one game where he had two.

Speaker 71 And he'll be trying it.

Speaker 57 And one game where he hit two.

Speaker 2 So Steve Kerr also said that it seems like Steph's been pressing.

Speaker 2 He knows that the record is here. So he's been thinking about it a lot.
I have to imagine that he'll be doubly thinking about it at the mecha, right?

Speaker 43 With me in attendance.

Speaker 15 With Big Cat.

Speaker 3 Hoping for him to break his leg.

Speaker 2 Wait, just his leg now?

Speaker 23 No, his neck and his leg.

Speaker 8 You can come back from a leg.

Speaker 42 Yeah, neck and leg.

Speaker 20 What about a Doug, like, what's his name?

Speaker 2 Tom Segura? Yeah. What about Tom Segura?

Speaker 13 His whole, everything blows up.

Speaker 17 His legs, his arms, his neck, everything.

Speaker 39 But he survives.

Speaker 8 I'm hoping for that for Hank. That'd be fun.

Speaker 20 All right, my cool throne is F1 Drama.

Speaker 3 We didn't didn't talk about it, but the final race on Sunday was incredible.

Speaker 17 Drive to Survive is going to be even better. I don't know if you guys watched this.
Max won. Red Bull, Christian Horner,

Speaker 40 part of this podcast.

Speaker 3 He's been on.

Speaker 20 We'll have to get him on again.

Speaker 14 But it was similar to the UEFA ping-pong ball draw.

Speaker 3 This was just like completely ridiculous, and they changed rules mid-race, and everyone's upset.

Speaker 13 But I love the drama.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I observe this story through the lens of many memes. Yeah.
That's how I prefer to get my F1 news and try to figure out what happened.

Speaker 3 F1 fans are very good at memes.

Speaker 2 They're very good at memes. So just send me all the memes as recaps.
And I think I'm going to piece it together based on what I saw on my timeline.

Speaker 2 There was a wreck, and right before the caution came out, the guy Verstoppen overtook the other guy.

Speaker 43 No, that was after.

Speaker 2 So after the wreck, they let when the when the safety car was out, and I'm probably fucking this up too, but I don't care because when have we ever cared about being right about anything on this show?

Speaker 16 There was a safety car out,

Speaker 65 and they let there was five cars

Speaker 8 that were lapped, right?

Speaker 22 That were way behind, that were in between Hamilton and Verstapen, and they let Verstappen basically cut in front of all those so then to get closer.

Speaker 21 To get closer, so then the last lap, they had a race for it, but Verstappen was on fresher tires, so he easily beat Hamilton on the last lap.

Speaker 18 Got it.

Speaker 42 And there was also controversy in the first lap because Verstappen drove, like, tried to cut off Hamilton, and Hamilton basically hit the Rainbow Road and, like, went through the track.

Speaker 2 It was so hard to land on that thing. Yeah, so hard.

Speaker 40 But either way, I just, I'm excited to watch Drive to Survive and fully understand it.

Speaker 36 Maybe that's what we'll do.

Speaker 8 We'll do a recap of Sunday's F1 drama as soon as we watch this season of Drive to Survive and fully understand it.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's hard to not be woke on the fact that they would do something like this because it's Christian Horner against it's Toto, right?

Speaker 36 Yeah, Toto.

Speaker 2 Toto, so like this entire controversy was just invented to get more viewers on Drive to Survive.

Speaker 17 And the safety guy had an all-time, like similar to Dan Snyder, just like,

Speaker 42 I'm the boss here.

Speaker 50 Toto was complaining and he just like said back on the radio, which, by the way, we need to get this in all American sports.

Speaker 17 The fact that you can listen to these guys bitch and complain in real time is so awesome.

Speaker 21 But he just replied to Toto, he's like, it's motor racing.

Speaker 16 He's like, that's what it is.

Speaker 60 It's motor race.

Speaker 2 It's like if you could hear the offensive and defensive coordinators live on the headsets during a football game.

Speaker 13 It's like

Speaker 2 all you would hear is just some spitting dip.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, you'd hear Matt Nagy on fourth and inches down 11 in a season that doesn't matter anymore, just breathing too heavily into

Speaker 25 his headset.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Freddie Kitchens, just run the draw.

Speaker 52 Run the draw.

Speaker 8 That quote, by the way, I just have to throw it out there.

Speaker 17 When they asked Matt Nagy about the fourth and inches punt, he said, You wish you would have went for it.

Speaker 17 That's the part where you look back as a coach and go, damn, that would have been a time to do that.

Speaker 58 Yeah.

Speaker 13 The royal we, the royal wee.

Speaker 37 You wish you would have gone for it.

Speaker 45 Yeah.

Speaker 57 All right.

Speaker 1 Your hot seat, cool throwing Billy.

Speaker 67 My hot seat is politics in general.

Speaker 48 Uh-oh.

Speaker 67 So two politicians down in Brazil put all other politics to shame

Speaker 13 this.

Speaker 67 After fighting online, calling each other scoundrels and other words in Brazilian, Portuguese, actually. They had a three-round MMA fight, which was sick.

Speaker 67 Just two like obviously out-of-shape politicians just actually duking it out and the crowd was going nuts.

Speaker 68 I really wish that was interesting.

Speaker 67 Kind of wish that would happen more in the United States and other places.

Speaker 80 Yes.

Speaker 2 That'd be a big one.

Speaker 2 What were you saying, Hank?

Speaker 56 I just,

Speaker 56 what's the appeal there?

Speaker 2 Politicians fighting each other?

Speaker 56 Two out of two. No, I'm just kidding.
I'm kidding.

Speaker 59 I was making a joke.

Speaker 13 Just a little joke. Oh, hey, cat.

Speaker 50 Rough and rowdy, though.

Speaker 56 Shout out.

Speaker 52 Sounds a joke. Shout out to that.

Speaker 13 That sounds electric.

Speaker 67 We should try to get politicians to fight in Rough and Rowdy.

Speaker 13 I want to see local town officials or at least city officials.

Speaker 2 At least Don Trump Jr. and Hunter Biden fighting.

Speaker 58 I think this is the first thing.

Speaker 2 They probably just end up partying together and banging the same whore.

Speaker 4 Shout out Hard Factor for that because that's where you saw it.

Speaker 9 That's where you saw the story.

Speaker 2 Yes. Subscribe to Hard Factor.

Speaker 13 Because you saw that.

Speaker 2 It's the best daily podcast in the world.

Speaker 38 I saw it there.

Speaker 15 I assume you saw it there.

Speaker 2 Yes. Okay.
We're working on crediting our sources. Wait, Billy, you were about to not credit hard factor.

Speaker 72 No, I'm actually

Speaker 78 the world.

Speaker 67 I'm actually crediting the blogger Reigs on Marshall because he also blogged it. Okay.

Speaker 42 That's where I saw it.

Speaker 8 So I wanted to give them credit.

Speaker 67 Mad credits. And my cool throne is JS credits.

Speaker 67 Yes. 4.0.

Speaker 48 Let's go.

Speaker 48 That's huge.

Speaker 67 Yeah. And he also wants a Jordan NIL deal after posting a 4.0.
For some reason, those are connected. He's a golfer.
Okay. And he's a good student athlete.

Speaker 2 He should get an academic NIL deal. Like getting a 4.0.

Speaker 13 That's sick.

Speaker 15 That's way more impressive than the... Yeah.

Speaker 71 Yes.

Speaker 67 And my other cool throne is smelling salts because Matt Prater ripped a smelling salt before kicking that field goal at the end of the game. It was very funny.

Speaker 2 It was just pretty sick. Yes.
It was very funny. I love it when kickers do that.
That's really the only workout you should be allowed to do as a kicker. Enough of these curls for the girls.

Speaker 2 You should be allowed to squat, too. You should be allowed to squat and then rip salts, and that's it.

Speaker 69 Jake.

Speaker 76 Stop me if you've heard this before. My hot seat's Urban Meyer.

Speaker 14 Oh!

Speaker 76 So, the latest chapter to this is he was asked on one of his defensive players, Andre Sisko. He said he's playing a little bit more, I believe.
I don't have his numbers in front of me.

Speaker 76 Did not step on the field.

Speaker 36 You know, that's just loser talk to have to worry about that.

Speaker 2 That's details. He's got guys that worry about his details.

Speaker 76 And shout out to memes for the Urban Meyer video.

Speaker 2 The Urban Meyer watched Hitler video is amazing. So good.

Speaker 47 Yeah. Perfectly done.

Speaker 2 I was telling memes earlier today that that's one of those memes that was real hot in the streets back in like 2010, 2011, and then it totally fizzled out. I don't think he even knew what it was.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yes. And we need to, I think we should bring it back sparingly.
Yeah. Like a few times a season.

Speaker 67 The icing on the cake was when they cut to the woman crying in that video, and it was alluding that it was Trevor Lawrence. Spoiler.

Speaker 59 Very, very good.

Speaker 56 The reaction, too, is it's kind of like Billy at the Urano. People are like, isn't comparing Urban Meyer to Hitler a little too far? No.
As if that wasn't like

Speaker 56 it was every single video for the first time.

Speaker 68 For most people don't understand.

Speaker 26 We did it for everything.

Speaker 41 Every single person was Hitler for an entire year on the internet.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to think what story right now

Speaker 3 people would be like the administrators at J.R. Smith's College when they find out he gets a 4.0.

Speaker 37 That's Hitler.

Speaker 41 Being like, what do you mean he got a 4.0?

Speaker 13 He would use it for everything.

Speaker 2 The AD of a team that just lost a bygame when finding out the final score. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 Everyone.

Speaker 17 Everyone would get that constantly.

Speaker 64 Okay.

Speaker 76 My cool throne is the Georgia Southern Women's Basketball team.

Speaker 2 Hank finds out that Hank bet against his team again on Sunday. Yeah.

Speaker 13 So the Georgia.

Speaker 16 Hank when he just wakes up.

Speaker 25 What do you mean I'm up?

Speaker 13 What do you mean I have work?

Speaker 8 Everyone out.

Speaker 2 Everyone out except for Big Cat and PFT, so I can bet against their favorite teams.

Speaker 74 No.

Speaker 56 I haven't worked a day in my life.

Speaker 2 Sorry, Jake.

Speaker 70 It's okay.

Speaker 76 The Georgia Southern women's basketball team's on my cool throne. They beat a school named Carver College 133-15.
Carver College went scoreless in the second quarter. It was 60-5.5.

Speaker 76 It was 99-9 at the end of the third quarter.

Speaker 2 And they won 133-15.

Speaker 76 And got the sportsmanship people on Twitter.

Speaker 74 Oh, no, they're the worst.

Speaker 2 They're the worst. Yeah.

Speaker 13 So you.

Speaker 58 No,

Speaker 76 for this situation, like in football, you can kneel it. In basketball, what are you going to do? Not shoot the basketball?

Speaker 2 Well, there's a shot clock. I'm guessing that with the shot clock clock, they probably didn't have to shoot as many times as they did.

Speaker 76 Also, apparently, they pressed.

Speaker 77 Well, that would be

Speaker 74 another one to be part of it.

Speaker 2 But I mean, if you don't like it, stop it.

Speaker 64 Yeah.

Speaker 59 I have a wrong question, Jake.

Speaker 2 Why do women's basketball teams play quarters in men's basketball teams? They changed it a few years ago.

Speaker 76 I don't know the exact reason.

Speaker 2 More timeouts, more

Speaker 13 commercials?

Speaker 76 They don't do a one-in-one.

Speaker 42 Ooh, Ronald Reagan finding out why his wife is trending.

Speaker 8 That's a good one.

Speaker 8 That would definitely be used.

Speaker 62 Throat goat.

Speaker 48 How good do you think Nancy Reagan's head was?

Speaker 2 It was great.

Speaker 59 I wish I could find that out. Really? It was a great analytic.

Speaker 56 I actually, I think that there's a chance.

Speaker 9 For people who don't know, by the way, Nancy Reagan was trending this weekend because someone compared Nancy Reagan and Madonna being like, who would you rather be when you're 60?

Speaker 17 Like Madonna half-clothed or Nancy Reagan, it's a picture of her with her whole family.

Speaker 17 And then it got trending that Nancy Reagan was the greatest blowjob queen of all time in Hollywood back in the day.

Speaker 56 It was a quote from some girl's autobiography, from some woman's autobiography.

Speaker 68 Kitty Kelly.

Speaker 66 Kitty Kelly. She said,

Speaker 56 Nancy Reagan sucked off everyone in the MGM lot for like 20 years or whatever.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 56 There's a chance, though, that this girl is just super jealous of Nancy Reagan.

Speaker 59 Does that not sound like something that

Speaker 13 you...

Speaker 60 You have her head game?

Speaker 56 Just like, oh, she's such a slut. She sucks everyone off.
That's why people like her.

Speaker 2 No, because the way that you get it wrong.

Speaker 56 Like, Kelly, that's not like some high school.

Speaker 3 In that biography, the way it was written was...

Speaker 56 She got jobs because I didn't, because she sucked everyone off.

Speaker 2 No, it was like she's really good.

Speaker 2 It was like paying homage to her.

Speaker 13 But hey, it's kind of a dick.

Speaker 21 Yeah, being like, oh, yeah, she just gets the jobs because she sucks everyone off.

Speaker 41 Definitely is like petty 101.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so Kitty Kelly gets like all these salacious stories in her biography. That's kind of what she's known for.
And if true, I think it's great for Ron.

Speaker 2 I think that the first lady or first dude, if there's a woman president, should be really good at giving oral sex. Really good.
Yes.

Speaker 2 And Nancy Reagan should have wanted to stick around maybe to just be like full-time first lady yes whoever the throat goat the current throat goat shout out aj teddies she should be vice president get out of here dr jill biden yes yes get her up there but yeah that story was very funny very

Speaker 36 that was when the internet's good

Speaker 55 i i i think much like many people were like oh she died No, she's been dead for a while.

Speaker 13 Nancy Reagan.

Speaker 77 Yeah.

Speaker 2 She actually came back to life in a way. Yeah, right.

Speaker 40 She lives on forever.

Speaker 67 They say you die when the last person says your name. There we go.

Speaker 21 So she's as live as she's ever been.

Speaker 2 Was it Helen of Troy, the face that could launch a thousand ships? This is the throat that could launch a thousand ships.

Speaker 10 Yeah, there we go. Nancy Reagan.

Speaker 25 Shout out.

Speaker 59 Goat.

Speaker 17 Goat for her in her own way.

Speaker 31 All right, let's get to Joey Harrington.

Speaker 52 Before we do that, PFT, you got a quick word?

Speaker 2 Yes, I want to talk to you about a great friend.

Speaker 26 What's up, guys?

Speaker 65 It's Big Cat here making my Irish entrance with proper number 12 Irish whiskey.

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Speaker 36 Anything else just wouldn't be proper.

Speaker 2 Now, here's Joey Harrington.

Speaker 18 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.

Speaker 21 It's someone who randomly came up in conversation on the show last week, and we're very excited to have on.

Speaker 18 It is former third pick in the NFL draft, former Oregon, well, he is an Oregon legend still.

Speaker 3 It is Joey Harrington.

Speaker 54 Thank you for joining us, Joey.

Speaker 3 We appreciate you doing that.

Speaker 35 Yeah, like we were just chatting for a second right before you joined, but we had the throwback moment of Joey Harrington NCAA football cover

Speaker 3 and how much of a legend you were.

Speaker 20 And you came up naturally in conversation.

Speaker 19 So we're very, very excited to have you on.

Speaker 29 Well, I mean, that was the greatest game. Not specifically that year, but that college football game was the greatest game in the history of video games.

Speaker 29 Well, maybe Tecmo Super Bowl.

Speaker 47 Yeah, but it's up there.

Speaker 13 It's up there. Yes, it's up there.

Speaker 2 It's coming back in 2023. Did you used to play that game while you were in college?

Speaker 29 We used to play the game. So those of us like,

Speaker 29 you know, because I didn't play my first couple of years and, you know, red shirting behind Achille Smith and, you know, you're down on the depth chart.

Speaker 29 And all of us freshmen in the dorms were like, okay, we got to get high enough on the depth chart so that we could make it onto the video game next year.

Speaker 77 Right.

Speaker 29 And then you all of a sudden, like, once you get it, because I think they went like three deep at each position, but they never use your name. They just use your number.
Yeah.

Speaker 29 So then we'd go in and like switch out your

Speaker 29 put yourself into the game. And of course, you know, when you're third on the depth chart, you suck.
And so, you know, but still, it's like, dude, that's me. That's my number.
I'm on a game.

Speaker 29 But I was always too far down the depth chart to make it up until I actually started playing.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 36 Yeah. So it's, it's great to have you on.

Speaker 16 I actually think that your story is like it's now going to be a lot brought up a lot more because of the way the NFL has gone and the pressure we put on quarterbacks instantly when they get in and the amount of guys get drafted in the first round.

Speaker 40 But like, let's talk about it because obviously people will say bust.

Speaker 51 I've read a lot of the stories you've done afterwards.

Speaker 46 I think you would admit that it obviously didn't go your way, but do you think about it often?

Speaker 66 Like, man, if this had been different or that had been different,

Speaker 9 or is it something you're kind of at peace with?

Speaker 29 I mean, I think it's natural to think, you know, what could have been, or people, because people ask you that question.

Speaker 29 But I think what I've come to understand is I love where I'm at right now, right?

Speaker 29 And I get to,

Speaker 29 I live a mile from my parents, a mile from my wife's parents. I run a foundation for my, you know, my main job.
I get to coach my kids basketball. You know, I get to be part of all that, right?

Speaker 29 And so I love where I'm at right now. That wouldn't have happened if things were different then.
And sure, do I wish that, you know, I'd had a 14 NFL career and

Speaker 29 ended up in the Hall of Fame? Sure, of course, you have those thoughts. But

Speaker 29 it's bigger than that.

Speaker 29 I'm sitting here recovering from a knee surgery that, you know, three months without walking, and I'm 43 years old, and realizing that hopefully I got another 40 years left of life.

Speaker 29 And while that, that moment that you're in the NFL, it's

Speaker 29 crazy. Like it is beyond, it's not real life.
Like it's, it's, it's this world that doesn't exist outside of those 32 teams in these 32 cities. And

Speaker 29 I was lucky enough to have the perspective to realize that there's more than just being an NFL quarterback. I'm going to have 50 years of figuring out what the hell to do.

Speaker 29 So do I look back and say it would have been nice to play better?

Speaker 29 Yeah, of course. Do I wish that I'd had some situations where, you know, the coaching staff and I were on the same page page and, you know,

Speaker 29 where I would have, you know, simply played better and then things would have turned out differently. Sure.

Speaker 29 Do I wish that, you know, coaches hadn't walked out on us mid-year and left us a note and said, screw it, I'm out? Of course.

Speaker 29 Like, I mean, I could go down a laundry list of things that, you know, would be amazing stories, but like, I wish they were different, but. I love where I'm at.

Speaker 74 Yeah. And

Speaker 29 that's a part of who I am.

Speaker 74 And that's a part of what got me here.

Speaker 2 I love that perspective. It sounds like you're actually one of the more well-adjusted former athletes that we've spoken with on this show.

Speaker 2 It's incredible.

Speaker 2 Like, the Detroit Lions, as much crap as they get for being, you know, a chaotic organization, they actually give you a good perspective in the long term because to some extent, you're like, well, you know, I could be back in Detroit.

Speaker 2 Things could always get worse.

Speaker 2 I'm doing okay right now.

Speaker 2 When you got drafted there, that was right when they went on that run of drafting wide receiver after wide receiver after wide receiver.

Speaker 2 I have to imagine that you didn't have a whole lot of input as, you know, you were just coming off your rookie season as to what direction the franchise was going.

Speaker 2 But I guess, how, how soon after you started playing did you realize like this is going to be a little bit different than college?

Speaker 2 It's going to be a lot, it's going to be more difficult in a lot of ways, and it's a business now.

Speaker 29 You know,

Speaker 29 people use that phrase, it's a business. Right.
It's, oh, it's a business. It's different.

Speaker 29 But until it kicks you in the butt, like you don't really, like, you, you don't quite understand it. I mean,

Speaker 29 sure, there were differences. Like, I walked into the locker room as a, as a 23-year-old kid and step into the huddle, and Ray Brown is my right guard who, you know, turned 40 that season.

Speaker 29 And Bill Schrader is my wide receiver. And, you know, like looking around, it's like, I don't have a whole lot of connection with these guys.

Speaker 29 Like, I'm coming out of like having pizza and beer on, you know, on Friday nights.

Speaker 29 And they're, and they're taking their kids to soccer practice and dentist appointments and worry about health insurance. Like it's it's a completely different setup than a college locker room.

Speaker 29 But until like you hit that moment where

Speaker 29 they truly like run you out of town or they say, you know, thanks, but no thanks, you know, get out of here.

Speaker 29 You know, until you're cut, until you, until you have that, that, because they can't cut you in college. Right.
They can, they can demote you. They can bench you.
You're still part of the team.

Speaker 29 You're still part of this, the, the town. But in the NFL, they can just say, hey, thanks.

Speaker 29 It's it's been fun it's been real see you and not pay another dime and until you have that happen to you which which happens to just about anybody unless you're you know unless you're tom brayton um i don't know that it truly sinks in that this is a business right it's it's not until you have something affect you and your family and you realize like man

Speaker 29 i i gotta i gotta move like i can't even live here anymore like and that is a that's a real that's a big difference from college.

Speaker 29 And so it happens to everybody in the league, with the exception of Tom.

Speaker 29 But

Speaker 29 it's still football.

Speaker 77 Right.

Speaker 29 And that's the deal is what makes it a business is

Speaker 29 the football side of it. Like if you go out and play, play good football and have fun, it's still football.

Speaker 29 If you go out and play bad football and you suck, then it becomes a business real quick, right? They should be down.

Speaker 21 I think the part that fascinates me with guys that get drafted really high and it doesn't work out for many different reasons.

Speaker 36 I used to think like, oh, that guy's a bust.

Speaker 21 He sucks.

Speaker 42 Now I'm more on the line of

Speaker 45 every guy has a chance and it's a small window where things have to kind of go your way for a little bit there for it to start to work out.

Speaker 26 Otherwise, it can go south real fast and you never really get that full chance of like everything around you.

Speaker 22 Reading about your time in Detroit, it felt like the offensive scheme, they didn't want, they wanted you to fit to their offensive scheme, not the other way around.

Speaker 9 Is that fair to say?

Speaker 29 I think that's fair.

Speaker 29 You know, you've got to, you're kind of hitting the nail on the head where,

Speaker 29 so there's three, they were, every, every team carried three quarterbacks when I was playing, right?

Speaker 29 32 teams, 100 guys, 100 quarterbacks in the league who could make every single throw. They could do every single thing physically that you needed to do.

Speaker 29 And the difference between the first guy and the third guy was so minuscule, right?

Speaker 29 In Detroit, they wanted me to play in a West Coast offense.

Speaker 29 That wasn't what I was good at, right? And so we're sitting there in one of our install meetings, like right when I first got there. And I'll never forget this.

Speaker 29 Like we're going through protections, okay? I got a... I got a seven-man protection, both backs, you know, five-man up front, releasing the tight end.

Speaker 29 And here's how everything everything works. And I kind of do a little math here.
Okay, great. I'm protected if they bring it strong.
What happens if

Speaker 29 they bring a free or a weak safety? They bring safety off the weak side. What happens if I get four off the side? Can I side adjust? Can I redirect my protection? And

Speaker 29 the quarterback coach looked at me and said, no, you just have to buy time and make a play.

Speaker 29 And I said,

Speaker 29 I got an 18-yard comeback out there. How am I supposed to buy time with a free rusher? Like, you know, I'm not Steve Young.
I'm not Mike Vick. Like, that's not what I do.
Right.

Speaker 29 And why can't I just give him a signal? And, hey, I see it. Let's adjust.
He looked at me in the eye and he said, because that's not what Bill Walsh did.

Speaker 29 And I was like, but Bill Walsh coached in the 80s. Like, this is something different.

Speaker 29 And

Speaker 29 so could I have played better? Yeah, sure. Of course I could.

Speaker 29 But that was that type of offense wasn't my strong suit. I wasn't, I wasn't a quick ball out of my hands, you know, dink and dunk kind of guy.
I was best in

Speaker 29 no huddle type stuff. I was best at the line of scrimmage.
I was never going to outrun you. I was never going to outthrow you.

Speaker 29 You know, of the three quarterbacks on our roster in Detroit, I didn't have the best arm. But what I could do is I could outthink you.
Right.

Speaker 29 So if you put me at the line of scrimmage and I get up and recognize I got two safeties, I got a three technique on the weak side. Here we go, man.
I'm running here.

Speaker 29 You know, before you have an opportunity to to adjust to that and so yeah you're right if a quarterback who is better in no huddle gets put into a a bill walsh you know quick ball out of your hand dink and dunk system it may not be best for him um

Speaker 29 but that's the thing every single quarterback in the league has the skills to be there yeah every quarterback in the league has the skills to be a

Speaker 29 you know to to to play it nfl football and you know some more than others and sometimes those the ones that are at the top don't get put into the best situation to have, let them be successful.

Speaker 18 Yeah, it's actually like, you know, it's oftentimes we go back to like Nick Saban and Bill Belichick, but like the things that those two guys do different than everyone else is they will adjust their team to their strengths a year in and year out, even in the season, where it's like, this isn't just, hey, this is my system.

Speaker 21 We're running my system until it works.

Speaker 3 It's, no, these are the strengths of my team. This is what I'm going to do.
Like you saw it with Alabama going against Georgia.

Speaker 25 Like they don't have a good offensive line.

Speaker 41 They're going to scheme up stuff to get the ball out quick, to let the receivers make plays.

Speaker 8 So they don't have to block for a really long time.

Speaker 36 So I don't know. It's just, it's, I've definitely changed my opinion that obviously players deserve some blame, but I think an organization and a coaching staff deserves as much blame as well.

Speaker 2 It's interesting that you brought up. Yeah, go ahead, Joey.

Speaker 29 Well, I was going to say you made an interesting point about Saban because I played for him with the Dolphins. Yeah.

Speaker 29 I was there the year that he left Miami to go to Alabama. And you're right to a a certain point, right?

Speaker 29 You're right that he will adjust and he will recognize what he needs to do week to week, but there's a foundation that exists, right? There is, he talks about winning football. Play winning football.

Speaker 29 Do this, this, this, and this, and you have a chance to win. You don't do those things and screw it.
Don't even show up.

Speaker 47 What are the things?

Speaker 66 What's that? What are the things that he says?

Speaker 61 Like, what's the foundation?

Speaker 29 It is all preparation, right? It is,

Speaker 29 God, you're going to, you're going to quiz me now.

Speaker 29 It's not specific, you know, you have to, you know, drink a cup of coffee and, you know,

Speaker 29 eat eggs in the morning, like, but there are certain standards you hold yourself to, right? Certain ways that you approach the game. It's, it's an idea of

Speaker 29 having it be more than just a game, right? Having it be a business, having it be a job.

Speaker 29 the knowledge that somebody else is coming to try and do what you do. They're trying to take your spot.
Don't give them that opportunity.

Speaker 29 And it's not don't make a mistake, but it's prepare better than anybody else out there, right? So once you've established that work ethic, now you can make the changes.

Speaker 29 Now you can say, this week I need to be here, whereas next week I need to be here. But without that foundation, it doesn't matter what you got because you're going to get your butt kicked.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Was Saban

Speaker 2 when he was... you know, coaching you on the Dolphins, you always hear about like how he approaches the game in college and how he gets his players to buy in.

Speaker 2 Was it easy for him to get you guys to buy in because of what he had done at at the collegiate level?

Speaker 2 Or was it like you know, you hear about some of the former Patriots assistants that go somewhere and they try to be like Bill Belichick on the Patriots, but they haven't won anything yet at that level.

Speaker 2 So, you know, there's like some hesitance from some of the vets on the team. Or did you guys like listen to him? You're like, hey, this is Nick Sabin, obviously a very good football mind.

Speaker 29 You know, I think it kind of depended on who you were talking to, to be perfectly honest.

Speaker 29 Because Nick likes control. Like, Nick likes to be, like, said, this is how you play winning football.
This is what you do.

Speaker 29 That doesn't always fly in the NFL, right? It's easy to tell an 18-year-old kid, show up, get in line, do it this way. And if you don't do it this way, then I'm going to find somebody else who will.

Speaker 29 But when you're talking to a 30-year-old vet who has eight years of NFL experience and five Pro Bowls under his belt,

Speaker 29 you can't exactly tell him this is the only way to do it, right?

Speaker 29 Because he can say, no,

Speaker 29 coach, I've had success doing it another way. And so I think it really kind of depended on who you talked to.
Like you talked to guys like Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas.

Speaker 29 I know that they had some,

Speaker 29 I don't say some bumps,

Speaker 29 but they were able to work respectfully.

Speaker 29 And, you know, from what I saw, they were able to work with each other.

Speaker 29 I can't speak to a lot of the other stuff.

Speaker 29 you know, how well it translated. But you also have to come at it too from the perspective that Nick is who he is now

Speaker 29 that was what was it 06 07 so that was 14 years ago right we got 14 years of experience in saying oh nick saban is the best because at that moment he wasn't the best he was just he was good right right he was a coach who had won a national championship at lsu went gave it a shot in the nfl and i think he realized that wasn't the best place best place for him yeah and went back to college where he could control every one of those little details and we've seen what's happened i mean the guy hates losing and i i would just like like it's incredible to even imagine that Nick Saban's in the NFL, where at, I think, in his best season, what, he coached there for two years?

Speaker 36 He went nine and seven seasoned.

Speaker 2 He went nine and seven in his best season. So, like, at best, you're just barely above 500.
I would imagine that a record like that even would drive Nick Saban insane.

Speaker 29 I wasn't there for that year. I was there for the six and ten year.

Speaker 29 And yeah, there were some

Speaker 29 there were some

Speaker 29 there were some fun conversations that

Speaker 29 came out of Nick's mouth.

Speaker 29 That's for sure.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I had one last question about Saban.

Speaker 15 Obviously, you were only with him for a year, and you can tell me if this is way off.

Speaker 19 But the one thing I always thought I admired out of Nick Saban, and I think the best coaches do this, is they don't ever make excuses for why their team doesn't.

Speaker 42 They always kind of own it themselves.

Speaker 17 The fire alarm's going off, so if you hear it in the background, sorry.

Speaker 77 I figure they're cops after this.

Speaker 13 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 25 But

Speaker 1 it feels like he doesn't make excuses.

Speaker 6 He owns, like, you know, he's going to do the work.

Speaker 8 He probably, I actually read an article where you said, I loved playing for Nick Saban because he always told me honestly where I stood.

Speaker 3 He told me straight up, this is where you need to get better. This is what you're not doing right.

Speaker 3 And then if he's honest with his players, then he can stand up in front of, you know, the media and say, it's on me to get them ready.

Speaker 29 That's exactly how he operates. And that's why he has the respect of so many people.
You know, that there is,

Speaker 29 that's not to say that he hasn't pissed some people off along the way, right? Because that idea of my way or the highway

Speaker 29 doesn't sit with everybody. But yeah, you're right.
He expects,

Speaker 29 I won't say he expects perfection, but

Speaker 29 he expects accountability and he shows accountability.

Speaker 29 And there are plenty of times when he stood up and I knew I threw, you know, I threw a pick and gave him a touchdown at the end of the game, you know, at the end of the first half or whatever it was.

Speaker 29 And Nick stands up and says, no, that's on me.

Speaker 29 I didn't get him prepared well enough.

Speaker 29 And

Speaker 29 I'll tell you, as a player that says playing for him, that means something.

Speaker 64 Yeah.

Speaker 29 That's a lot different than somebody going up to the microphone and saying, yeah, we need to get a lot better on offense, especially, you know, especially at the quarterback position or the running back position, you know, whatever it is and calling guys out.

Speaker 29 You know, that's, that, that works for some, not for all.

Speaker 29 But I respected coach for the way he was able to stand up and say, you know what? At the end of the the day, it falls on me. Yeah.
And it's my job to get them ready.

Speaker 29 And if they don't play well enough, I need to do a better job.

Speaker 3 It's an underrated thing that I think we obviously joke about because it's a cliche. But you can notice the good coaches will say that.

Speaker 17 And then the bad coaches will say, will find a way to almost squirm around it and be like, wow, this is a problem. And this is a problem.
It's like, you know, you got to just like, you're the coach.

Speaker 21 The buck stops with you.

Speaker 29 You know, you know why? Because it's all about, it's CIA,

Speaker 29 right? It's cover your ass. Yeah.

Speaker 29 Because there are so few jobs in this football world, right? Whether it's college football or the, you know, the NFL specifically, 32 jobs.

Speaker 29 You got 32 opportunities to stay there as long as you possibly can.

Speaker 29 And

Speaker 29 that's part of what makes that business difficult and what makes it such a departure from college football, where

Speaker 29 In that college football locker room, it's your 100 guys and your coaches, and that's it. And no one's getting in there.

Speaker 29 In the NFL, people realize that there's a seven-figure paycheck coming to me if I can stick around for another year.

Speaker 29 So if I can push the buck to somebody else, then that gets me a little bit something more for my family down the road. And that's real.

Speaker 29 That's the reality.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And so after you were in Miami, you alluded to this earlier, but you went up to Atlanta and you were signed there to back up Michael Vick.

Speaker 2 And Bobby Petrino had just come in that offseason, had a lot of success in college. They wanted him to coach Michael Vick and use his mobility, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 And then record scratch, like two months after you get signed, Michael Vick gets arrested for dogfighting. And now you're going to run Bobby Petrino's offense and you're having to learn all that.

Speaker 2 First of all, like what was it like, you know, the days and weeks before the indictment came down and Michael Vick, like, were you guys completely caught off guard or was there some sense in the organization that you might have to step into a different role?

Speaker 29 I think it's fair to say that I was completely caught off guard. And let me say this.
So there's a couple different things here. First of all,

Speaker 29 with me and Mike,

Speaker 29 I came in to be his backup, right?

Speaker 29 After getting, you know, after all the mess in Detroit and then, you know, thinking I'm going to Miami to kind of reset and then save and leave and everybody gets cleaned house.

Speaker 29 I'm going to Atlanta thinking, okay, this is my chance to reset.

Speaker 29 No one's as stable as Mike Vick. No one's taking his spot.
You know, I can truly just kind of sit and recover.

Speaker 29 I didn't want to,

Speaker 29 I didn't want to, I don't say put my nose in it, like I didn't want to get involved, but it started to kind of trickle, like a little bit here, a little bit there, and then it starts to build momentum.

Speaker 29 And to the point where it's like,

Speaker 29 you know, I got

Speaker 29 reporters asking me questions about Mike. I was like, man, I don't know.
I can't, I can't answer that. And so I asked Mike, I was like, look, buddy, like,

Speaker 29 I don't want to get in your business, but I want to know how I should handle this for you, right?

Speaker 29 If these questions come to me, because I don't want to say something that, you know, is, is, is wrong for you. And there was a feeling of,

Speaker 29 you know, kind of like,

Speaker 29 you know,

Speaker 29 I'm going to be all right. Like, we're going to, it's going to be fine that he, that he shared with me.

Speaker 12 Well,

Speaker 29 come to find out it wasn't fine. And

Speaker 29 actually, I love, you know, I love Mike's story, like, because he was such a great guy. And the fact that, you know,

Speaker 29 I don't want to say it was good that it happened to him, but the way that he responded from it and the type of person he is now and the way he responded in his career, I mean, I got nothing but respect for that guy.

Speaker 29 It's amazing what he went through. But yeah, there was kind of a

Speaker 29 caught out of left field, you know. moment for me.
I was actually at home.

Speaker 29 I was over in central Oregon and I had just gone for like a hike up, Black Butte is what it's called. It's like a little, you know, kind of mountain over in over in Central Oregon.

Speaker 29 I came down and stepped on a rock wrong and rolled my ankle. And

Speaker 29 I'm sitting at home back on the, on the couch, and my, my phone rings, and it was our

Speaker 29 quarterback coach, Bill Musgrave. He says, well, you ready? I was like, yeah, man.

Speaker 29 um you know funny you called i'm kind of icing my ankle right now but i'll be fine i mean no big deal he said no are you ready what are you talking about he said turn on turn on espn So I clicked it on, and sure enough, Mike's being taken away in handcuffs.

Speaker 2 That's not really something that you prepare for. Like in media training, it's like, all right, the guy that has your job,

Speaker 2 he just got arrested for running a dogfighting kennel.

Speaker 77 Go.

Speaker 29 Yeah, you know, so that's like, you know, that's actually part of the playbook.

Speaker 29 You know, it's like, all right, you wake up, you have your coffee, you do your weight workout, watch some film, you know, get ready for the, you know, the guy ahead of you to be arrested.

Speaker 29 And then you go out and you run seven on seven.

Speaker 12 Like, right.

Speaker 29 You do, there's no playbook for that. And so I show up for camp and it's, and it's more than just like being thrust into a job.
It's PETA protesters outside the

Speaker 29 practice facility. It's, I mean, there were

Speaker 29 airplanes with like big signs circling the practice field, like, you know, your new name is the Atlanta Dog Killers.

Speaker 27 And it's like, man, what the hell is going on?

Speaker 2 You're like, I just wanted to be a backup. I just wanted to get on the shop level where I sit behind Michael Vick for six years and then get a nice contract somewhere else.

Speaker 3 And the best part is Bobby Petrino is the coach who is not ill.

Speaker 59 He's ill-equipped for everything.

Speaker 29 Yeah, he was, he was unprepared. He was unprepared to,

Speaker 29 so unprepared for that situation, but he was unprepared to be an NFL head coach. I mean, that's the thing.
Like we talked about with Nick and,

Speaker 29 you know, being straight up with someone and talking to a, you know, man-to-man conversation.

Speaker 29 We had a team of vets. I mean, it was Warwick Dunn.
It was Algie Crumpler and Wayne Gandy and John Abraham, Lawyer Malloy, Keith Brooks. I mean, we had vets on that team.

Speaker 29 And after a couple of weeks, Crump and Warwick came up to me like, look, you got to go talk to Bobby. Cause we would install like

Speaker 29 1,200 plays and then run like six of them in a game.

Speaker 74 And

Speaker 27 we, we, we don't know what the hell we're doing.

Speaker 29 Like, who are we? What kind of team do we want to be? Like, we're practicing all this stuff. And then we run like this tiny little bit of it.

Speaker 29 So I went up and I talked to Bobby and I said, hey, look, I'm bringing a message from the team. You know, this is not,

Speaker 29 you know, I get it. I understand.
I'm ready to do whatever you want to do, but this is what the team is telling me. And you need to know this.
And so he said, all right, cool.

Speaker 29 Let's, let's pare down the ready list this week. You know, let's cut this.
Let's cut this. Great.
I left there thinking, you know, that was a good meeting.

Speaker 29 Like, this is, this is going to be a positive step. I showed up for practice the next morning and

Speaker 29 Hugh Jackson, who is our OC, and Bill Musgrave are sitting in the QB room and they're just like coffee out and bags under their eyes. And I was like, man, what's going on?

Speaker 29 Hugh says, did you talk to Bobby last night? I was like, yeah, we had a great talk.

Speaker 73 Huh.

Speaker 29 Because immediately after you left, Bobby came down into our office and started screaming at us, like, you MFers, why doesn't our quarterback know what's going on? Why can't we do this?

Speaker 29 Why can't we do that? And not only did he put every single play that we took out in, he added another, you know, 200 plays onto our ready list to go in and play that week.

Speaker 29 And it's like, to have the audacity to challenge what it is that I'm trying to say and the way that I'm trying to run this team. Like, I'm sorry, that's not how you operate.
And then to

Speaker 29 and then to literally drop. I mean, I don't think we have enough time for the whole Bobby Petrino story about like how he was talking to

Speaker 29 Arthur Blank, saying, I'm going to be here the long term. And Arthur went on Monday night football and said, Bobby looked me in the eye and said, you got a head coach and me.

Speaker 29 After that game, he looked at us in the locker room, said, every single one of you needs to look at yourself in the mirror and decide what you can do to help this organization get better he walked out the out the door and we never saw him again oh that was god

Speaker 29 can i help to do this organization get better i could leave yeah

Speaker 36 and leave you a note on your locker and say peace i'm out of here and that night he was doing pig stewy yeah the press conference that was that was an alt if you don't know that because we have some younger listeners probably petrino it looked like he was in a bunker they had like they had thrown him away in a bunker to do his press conference with arkansas because it was like it was literally in the middle of the night, you know, leaving the Falcons.

Speaker 30 All the time.

Speaker 2 Probably his second most favorite press conference that he had in Arkansas, besides one where he's wearing, yeah, he's wearing the neck brace.

Speaker 2 I have to imagine that when you saw him wearing the neck brace and trying to explain why he was getting into an accident with, I guess, his secretary on the back of his bike or whatever it was.

Speaker 2 That probably had to be like a very funny moment for you.

Speaker 29 I never wish ill on anybody.

Speaker 13 Right. Right?

Speaker 29 I'm not going to ever wish bad things to happen to people, but I can't say that I was surprised.

Speaker 77 Right, right.

Speaker 13 Yeah. I'm going to leave it like that.

Speaker 77 Yes.

Speaker 2 So, when you talk about the note, I want to get into some specifics of the note that he left you. Was it just one note? Was it on like a sheet of paper? Was it on Atlanta Falcon stationery?

Speaker 13 Or was it like on a napkin?

Speaker 2 What kind of note are we talking about?

Speaker 29 Yeah, I can find this thing. I could, I got it.
Steve Weisch was with the Atlanta Journal Constitution, and he sent me, it won't take too long.

Speaker 29 It was like

Speaker 29 four sentences. It was like,

Speaker 29 I'm sorry, this is working out this way. And,

Speaker 29 you know, this is the best decision for me and my family.

Speaker 29 I'm sure you can understand that.

Speaker 59 Thanks. See ya.

Speaker 79 That's it.

Speaker 29 Yeah, exactly. And it was literally left on the stool.
Each one of us had it left on the stool of our locker.

Speaker 48 Oh, we made copies.

Speaker 73 Wow. Oh, it it was just copied.

Speaker 27 Classical.

Speaker 29 But the best part, though, is so he came. So we're downstairs and this was the day after a Monday game, right? So we had a short week.

Speaker 29 Coaches had been in there, you know, since like five in the morning, the following day after the game, right? So this would be a Monday night game. So Tuesday morning.

Speaker 29 All the offensive coaches are just grinding five, six in the morning up there. We as players come in probably like eight or nine o'clock.
And so it doesn't quite like there's this disconnect.

Speaker 29 Like they're upstairs working, not knowing what's going on as we come trickling into the locker room and start to figure it out. So Bobby

Speaker 29 ends up coming back. And this is all told to us through, you know, Arthur and Rich McKay.
The following day in our team meeting, Bobby came back in and

Speaker 29 essentially came in and quit like to

Speaker 29 like that afternoon to Rich. And he just started walking out.

Speaker 29 And Rich is like, dude, I don't care what you say to me, but you got an entire coaching staff down there that has been working for you all day. And you better go talk to them.

Speaker 29 And so he said, he like led him down the hall like a child. Bobby walked into the off into the offensive room and said,

Speaker 29 thank you for your effort. I wish things were different.
I'm going to Arkansas.

Speaker 29 And he left. And that's what, and hopped on the jet and pig suey.

Speaker 41 You're like the forest gump of bad NFL moments between that and like Mike Vick and then save and leaving.

Speaker 2 We're going to get back to Joey Harrington in a second, but before we do, I want to talk to you.

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Speaker 2 Here's more Joey Harrington.

Speaker 52 So, this might be a little bit of a tough question, but I'm sure you have an answer or something you thought about it.

Speaker 31 But is there a sliding doors moment?

Speaker 46 Is there one moment that you go back and you're like, man, if that one had been different, if I had drafted differently, if I had maybe come out a year earlier, if I had, if Nick Sabin had stayed in the NFL?

Speaker 38 Like, is there one moment that you think of like, hmm, that could have

Speaker 31 changed some things?

Speaker 29 I actually had that moment a couple,

Speaker 29 really a couple weeks ago, actually.

Speaker 29 So

Speaker 29 there were five teams that

Speaker 29 wanted a quarterback that year because I wasn't coming out earlier. I mean, my junior year was fine, but I had no intention.
I mean, I was a college guy. Like, I loved college.
It was awesome.

Speaker 29 So I'm staying.

Speaker 29 There were five teams that wanted a quarterback. Houston, Buffalo, Detroit, Washington, no, six, Washington, Cincinnati, and Kansas City.

Speaker 29 And Kansas City was kind of late into the game. And

Speaker 29 so I didn't want to, you know, Houston, I say five because Houston took David Carr. Like they're out of play.
I didn't want to go to Cincinnati or Buffalo. I wouldn't have minded going to Washington.

Speaker 29 I wanted to go to Kansas City. And Detroit was just kind of in the middle because you have to remember, Detroit was only, we're only, they're only two years removed from Barry Sanders.
Right.

Speaker 29 He only retired a couple of years ago. You know, so I missed Barry Sanders by by two years i missed ricky williams by one year um

Speaker 29 you know it so it wasn't a horrible place to go at the time but the kansas city coaching staff that was dick vermiel that was

Speaker 29 um terry shea that was oh god there was another guy too um

Speaker 29 that had a lot of actual connection back to my dad right so my dad played at oregon uh he was the starting quarterback for the very first game at otson stadium so he was the starting quarterback for the first game at Otson, and I was the starting quarterback for the last game before they did the remodel.

Speaker 29 Funny, he never told me that.

Speaker 29 I had to learn it out from and learn it from a reporter, you know, as it was happening.

Speaker 29 But so he had a connection to all those, because that Oregon coaching staff, I mean, that was John Robinson, John Madden, Terry Shea,

Speaker 29 John Marshall. I mean, guys that were John, did I say John Robinson? If I already did,

Speaker 29 guys who had

Speaker 29 coach Fry, like, and in connections to college football and the NFL, but there was a connection there with Terry Shea

Speaker 29 that

Speaker 29 felt comfortable, right? That was the place where I wanted to be.

Speaker 29 That was a place where I felt like we had a connection, like there was that I was going to play for them and they were going to take care of me.

Speaker 29 had come to find out, had I fallen past Detroit, then they were going to take me.

Speaker 29 And,

Speaker 29 you know, may or may not have been true.

Speaker 29 May or may not have happened. But that kind of moment the other day where someone was telling me about,

Speaker 29 you know, reminding me about that, I was like, yeah, if I had gone to Kansas City, if Matt, because Matt Millen and Marty Mornenweg, who were the Detroit coach at the time, were not on the same page.

Speaker 29 Right.

Speaker 29 Marty didn't want me. You know, Mariuchi didn't want me because I wasn't a West Coast guy, right? I wasn't, I wasn't quick.
I wasn't mobile. I wasn't ball out of my hands.
But Matt Millen loved me.

Speaker 29 And so he picked.

Speaker 29 And that was, he and i joke still and he'll look at me you know my name is my legal name is john joseph it's not you know i just go by joey and he always called me john joseph he was like john joseph

Speaker 29 man i ruined your career

Speaker 29 and i was like well matt you know you a little bit kind of but no i kind of ruined my career too so we can both kind of own it together but if matt had not done that if matt if you hadn't picked me i could have been chief yeah

Speaker 2 until patrick mahomes took over i've always heard that about matt millen like he got a a lot of shit back in the 2000s for some of those drafts, and probably deservedly so.

Speaker 2 But everybody, I've never heard anybody say a bad word about Matt Millen, the person. They all love him.

Speaker 2 He's amazing. Would he used to wear like overalls

Speaker 2 around the team facility?

Speaker 29 Oh, yeah, because he's, I mean, the guy had a farm and still, you know, essentially lives on, you know, a big acreage out in rural Pennsylvania. Like,

Speaker 29 he's just a good person. Like, he's not, is no mess.
There's no fuss. There's no Louis Vuitton luggage.
Like, dude, I'm going to show up. I'm going to do my job.

Speaker 29 And I want people who are going to show up and do the same thing. And same way with Saban.
Same way with like any of those coaches. Like you can respect that.
Did he make mistakes? Hell yeah.

Speaker 29 He made mistakes.

Speaker 29 But he did it.

Speaker 29 He did it with the right intention, you know, with the right intentions in mind. He was trying to do the right thing.
Right. But he screwed up.
And that happens sometimes. And he owns it.

Speaker 29 And you can respect that.

Speaker 21 All right.

Speaker 9 Now, dumb question, sliding doors question.

Speaker 33 Do you think the fact that you went by Joey as a professional, as a grown man, hurt you at all?

Speaker 39 Because I do think that matters.

Speaker 13 Like, Joe Harrington, John Harrington might have had a long career.

Speaker 29 Wasn't there a Joey Browner who had a decent career with the Vikings?

Speaker 20 So I'm trying to think right now.

Speaker 22 No one goes by Maddie.

Speaker 14 Joseph Burrow?

Speaker 36 Yeah, it's like Joey Burrow, I don't think, has a good career.

Speaker 2 Joe Harrington.

Speaker 31 This is now, you know, it's nitpicking.

Speaker 13 Joe Harrington sounds like a vice president of an insurance company.

Speaker 77 Yeah, we're picking apart your career.

Speaker 1 We're trying to find where things went wrong.

Speaker 29 Okay, so what you're essentially saying is

Speaker 29 it is my parents' fault. No.

Speaker 27 No at all.

Speaker 77 No.

Speaker 27 Where we're going here?

Speaker 50 No, no.

Speaker 33 Joey Harrington is a great college football name.

Speaker 47 I think when you get drafted, you drop the Y and you go as Joe Harrington.

Speaker 29 fair fair you know what's funny Matt told me the same thing really all right so Matt Mill and I both very incredible football mindset it wasn't it wasn't Joey Montana it wasn't Joey

Speaker 13 it's Joe yes

Speaker 29 but that's me like that's I can't change me and that that was the thing like and

Speaker 25 that's so funny that he said that because it's like

Speaker 52 it's a very it's admittedly a very dumb thing for me to be hung up on but it's like I just always always like yeah i don't know if his name was joe he might might have been awesome i don't know yeah you know and i think that's maybe

Speaker 29 yeah we'll we'll leave it there we'll leave it there i i hear your point i hear your point you know it wasn't joey namath it wasn't joey montana right you know i i i'll go with that maybe jj yeah jj harrington that you could make a switch to running back at that point yeah that's a good running back you get faster when your name's jj harrington yes absolutely well and maybe that was the problem is i wasn't fast enough because my name was Joey.

Speaker 29 Had I become J.J. Harrington, then I would have been able to avoid that free rusher off the backside and throw an 18-yard comeback with a guy on my side.

Speaker 2 With an extra letter weighing you down on your back. Yes.

Speaker 13 Yes.

Speaker 29 All about ounces, just to re, you know, get rid of the ounces that keep you slowing you down.

Speaker 2 I've got an Oregon question for you. And you are obviously an Oregon legend.
I imagine that you still go back on campus and you're still a big man on campus

Speaker 2 just for what you did to that program.

Speaker 68 But

Speaker 2 why didn't RoboDuck, the mascot, ever catch on?

Speaker 2 Because I love RoboDuck, especially when they show the birth of RoboDuck when he's like jumping out of the egg, wearing the Unitard, and he's got like, he looks like Batman, but he's a duck.

Speaker 2 And then you got Puddles standing next to him, like, what the hell is this thing?

Speaker 29 Okay, okay, so hold on, hold on.

Speaker 29 We'll get into

Speaker 29 the whole duck genealogy here. Okay.

Speaker 29 First of all, Puddles

Speaker 29 is not the duck that is there right now. Okay.
That is just the duck.

Speaker 74 Okay.

Speaker 29 Or duck for short, right? If you don't want him to be, you know, Joey, you could, you could, or the duck.

Speaker 60 Duck.

Speaker 29 Right.

Speaker 29 So Puddles was like an actual water fowl, like a duck, like a mallard that they'd bring from the mill race, which is like the, you know, like the little slew running by the, by the stadium down onto campus.

Speaker 29 And they'd put it on a leash and they would bring it into the games. And it was like this little thing quacking along, and that was Puddles.

Speaker 29 And so then they went through like this whole Disney mashup where it was kind of Donald, but you had the Donald duck coming through the O.

Speaker 29 But then some of the coaches wanted to be like an angry Donald. And then there was like the fighting ducks.
And it's like, what the hell are we doing here? And then there was the lawsuit with Disney.

Speaker 29 And, you know, they settled on this, the duck, right? So this duck

Speaker 29 is amazing, right? He is hilarious.

Speaker 29 Then they tried to like hatch this new identity. Like they, like you said, they brought him out of like this smoking egg and at midfield.
And, you know, he had muscles bursting out of his leotard.

Speaker 29 And when you're used to

Speaker 29 when you're used to the duck and the duck's antics and the ducks, because that's what the best part of the duck is,

Speaker 29 I mean, the guy's just a fool, right? Whoever's in that suit is just, they're hilarious. You know, you watch the mortgage commercials, and the duck salt was the best one in there.

Speaker 29 You know, it's not like Sparty or somebody who's like, you know, takes himself

Speaker 29 too seriously. And so

Speaker 29 we as a Oregon community

Speaker 29 said, well, we already got facilities. We already got uniforms.
We don't need like a flashy new, you know, new mascot. Like thank you, but no thank you.

Speaker 29 And it was like one of those, um, one of those moments where they didn't do the, what's the, um, you put everybody in a room.

Speaker 74 Focus group.

Speaker 29 Focus group. Yeah.
They obviously did not do a focus group on the new duck because 99% of all Oregon fans hated that thing.

Speaker 74 It's so funny to watch.

Speaker 29 The funniest thing, though, is I don't know if

Speaker 29 it's the actual Roboduck, but it is the, you know, the Twitter thing.

Speaker 29 Might be the funniest Twitter account

Speaker 29 out there is Roboduck because he's got like some crazy, just outlandish takes. So, you know, things work out.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 All right.

Speaker 36 So, Joey, this has been awesome.

Speaker 21 I have one last question.

Speaker 9 We appreciate your time.

Speaker 20 This has been a lot of fun.

Speaker 23 So, speaking of all your experience in the NFL and everything that happened, I assume you watch the NFL nowadays and you see what's going on.

Speaker 3 Who's the guy you look at right now, whether it be rookie or maybe it's his second year, where I'm like, give that guy more time.

Speaker 21 Give him more time.

Speaker 9 Don't make a decision on him. I see what's going on.
It's similar to my situation where you can't throw him out right away because things maybe haven't broken his way.

Speaker 29 Give me some options.

Speaker 29 There's Zach Wilson.

Speaker 13 Zach Wilson, Tua.

Speaker 9 Trevor Lawrence, obviously, he's had a tough year.

Speaker 29 I think Tua is probably a good example of that.

Speaker 29 I would have said at the beginning of the season, if you talked to me week two, I would have said Sam Darnold, right?

Speaker 29 I would have said that's the guy who is in a tough situation in New York and ended up in Carolina and started to have some success. But I like the idea of Tua, right?

Speaker 29 Because there was, how are you going to...

Speaker 29 How are you going to seriously have public discussions about trading for Deshaun Watson when you've just spent

Speaker 29 the first round pick on Tua, right? There's the whole tank for Tua campaign. Like you wanted this guy and now

Speaker 29 you give him one season.

Speaker 29 I think that he is, that's a great example. He's had some success, has started to play better lately, but that's the perfect, the perfect

Speaker 29 example right there. I think that,

Speaker 29 and we'll see how it plays out.

Speaker 29 all those discussions when they were talking about trading for Deshaun Watson, I was sitting there thinking like, that is the dumbest thing you could do.

Speaker 29 You are are undercutting the confidence of that kid. You are completely undercutting what you're trying to build.

Speaker 29 And not only are you going to not end up with Deshaun Watson, but now you're going to end up with a Tua who

Speaker 29 potentially may undercut himself, right? Because

Speaker 29 that's all the NFL is about, is confidence. Yeah.
And I've told this story a hundred times. It goes back to what

Speaker 29 we were talking about. Every quarterback on the roster can make every throw.
But the difference is being confident in yourself and knowing when to throw it. Like,

Speaker 29 so my rookie year,

Speaker 29 we were playing the Raiders and it was Rod Woodson that already left. He wasn't, wasn't a corner anymore.
He was at the end of his career and

Speaker 29 had moved to safety. And I looked back, I knew the coverage.
I had a dig coming in in front of him. I was going to clear it out with the seam route, looked him off band, came back and threw it.

Speaker 29 Steps in front and he picks it off.

Speaker 74 It's like, what the hell?

Speaker 29 And so I went up and talked to him afterwards. I said, tell me what it is.
Like, what did I do? Did I tip it off with my eyes? Did my receiver cut his route short?

Speaker 29 You know, should he have cleared on your outside shoulder instead? And he looked at me.

Speaker 74 He's like, nah, hell no.

Speaker 29 I've seen that route every day in practice for 14 years. And I'll be damned if a rookie is going to beat me on it.
Right.

Speaker 29 And so the knowledge on the other side of the

Speaker 29 ball, the anticipation, it's not the.

Speaker 29 It's not the physical speed of the guys when they talk about the speed of the game. It's their reaction times.
It's seeing it every day for 14 years and saying, I know what's coming.

Speaker 29 I'm going to step here. So if you're a young quarterback and

Speaker 29 you step back and you throw that ball, right? Maybe one time, the first time it gets knocked down.

Speaker 29 Maybe the second time it gets picked off because you come back and it's like, you hesitate for just that second. And that gives that DB, that Rod Woodson, an extra second to step in front.

Speaker 29 Now, if you've completely lost your confidence and you come back and it's like, I don't know if I should throw this, maybe I should. Now you throw it and he picks it and he takes it back for six.

Speaker 74 Right.

Speaker 29 Hesitation, lack of confidence, doubt is the killer of all young quarterbacks. That's all it is.
It's not skill. It's, it's, do I believe in myself enough to go out and cut it loose?

Speaker 29 And even if it gets picked off, to come back and cut it loose again.

Speaker 77 Yeah. Right.

Speaker 29 And that goes back to all the all the things you were talking about. Like how well do you work with your coach? How well do you feel supported?

Speaker 29 What kind of talent do you have around you?

Speaker 29 But if you as a quarterback know that, hey, my organization is trying to trade for Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 29 And I'm going to go out and I think, man,

Speaker 29 I can't throw an interception today.

Speaker 29 The moment you doubt that, the moment you hesitate is the moment you throw that pick, which sends you down that spiral anyway. So I think that's a great example is

Speaker 29 they need to make sure they're supporting to it because he's shown that he can do it if he has, you know, he's shown flashes, but he's also shown the other side too right make sure you support that guy and and he could be a hell of a football player okay so welcome to two and on you're a part of uh the group select few

Speaker 29 and on yeah two and on yeah it's part we're part we're part of two and on crimson we're two and on believers i was a non-believer and i have been reformed to be a believer so uh you are now part of it so so i hear like there are what what should i know about this show now either there's two and on there's like i saw you were doing like like dude like like toilet paper or something like when somebody's dude wipes dude, wipes or something.

Speaker 29 I'm getting myself into.

Speaker 2 There are a lot of things that it's, it's probably best that you just enjoy the show at a surface level because once you get too deep,

Speaker 2 like where we go to, we go all.

Speaker 65 The best way to describe our show is that we are not very smart, but we are smart enough to know that we're not very smart.

Speaker 51 So, whatever that is

Speaker 77 smart, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, in a weird backwards way, maybe, but it's like a meatball fan's thoughts deep down covered up with a little bit of self-awareness that we are meatball fans so we can make fun of ourselves.

Speaker 29 Fair.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 36 Like we like you, like having you on is great because we can talk about it. You know, if Joey Harrington's career played out right now, we would just be like,

Speaker 54 every Sunday, we'd be like, Joey Harrington, bust.

Speaker 14 Drop the Y, bro.

Speaker 53 That's pretty much what would happen.

Speaker 74 Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Actually, that reminds me, we do need to discuss whether or not you were a genes model.

Speaker 36 Because I have it in the back back of my head.

Speaker 27 Yeah.

Speaker 29 That's how this whole thing started. Okay.
So I was thinking about that. I think where you may have gotten that is I do remember at one time, like doing an interview and saying that I turned down

Speaker 29 like there was like an offer from Levi's or something, my rookie year to do like, you know, to be a Levi's spokesperson or whatever.

Speaker 29 And I turned it down because that was like, you know, I kind of want to just like establish myself as a player first before we start getting into like all the endorsement stuff looking back i should have grabbed it because you know the next couple years sucked and it's like you know dang i wish i would have had some free jeans but um that's probably where it came from that's that's the only thing i could think of that must be it i must have just seen that interview and then my brain filled in the gaps and i was like whoa what what would it look like if joey harrington was a jeans model probably well and like i said i do wear jeans like you know okay i've worn a pair or two in my life so maybe that's you know maybe that's it too it's possible i have seen you wearing a pair of jeans before.

Speaker 2 We should send him some Mugsy sponsors.

Speaker 50 You're a good-looking guy. I could say that.

Speaker 25 We spent an hour together now.

Speaker 14 You're a good-looking guy.

Speaker 2 You should have a Mugsy sponsorship. Yeah, you should.

Speaker 77 You're good-looking guys.

Speaker 2 Are you still interested in a jean sponsorship?

Speaker 77 Sure, why not?

Speaker 2 Okay, we'll talk to our jeans.

Speaker 77 I'll take three for me and I'll take three, right?

Speaker 2 I'm actually a jeans guy. So we are sponsored by jeans.

Speaker 2 There you go.

Speaker 79 I got jeans on right now.

Speaker 2 Okay, look, he wears them all the time.

Speaker 30 Don't you want to say we're a little more comfortable? Just like us.

Speaker 80 There you go.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 3 Well, joey this has been awesome appreciate it so much man if you're ever in new york love to have you come stop by in person so uh although i feel like people who live out on you know the pacific northwest they just enjoy life and not have to deal with the bullshit that is like new york city

Speaker 29 you know i yes yeah yeah that's all i have to say yes but but what i will say is i love new york i love going to new york like

Speaker 29 it's there's just nothing like it there's nothing like you know i we would do the college football award when i was still calling games we would do the college football awards um stuff at the end of the year in new york and i'll go out there i wouldn't have anything to do until you know the the dinners at night time and i would just spend all day i get a i go down to central park you know i'd get a paper at times and get a cup of coffee and i'd just start walking and then you just walk all the way up you know madison then you walk down to like times square and just like just people watching because it's crazy yeah guy jerking off guy shitting you know somewhere yeah no it's great yeah you know steve buscemi coming down the hill and like a in like a car or in a shopping cart with like a helmet on yeah uh-huh yeah it's great times great times yeah yeah all right well thanks so much man really appreciate it yeah you bet guys anytime yeah it's good to meet you man take care

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Speaker 8 Okay, let's wrap up.

Speaker 36 Guys on chicks.

Speaker 71 Hank?

Speaker 2 Dank. Clap it up for Hank.

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 69 our guy.

Speaker 31 He got in here today.

Speaker 19 He's just working hard.

Speaker 56 Nah, I've never worked a day in my life. Yeah.

Speaker 74 Grumpy cat.

Speaker 68 What?

Speaker 41 You're You're the grumpy cat. Remember the cat.

Speaker 60 You're being grumpy cat.

Speaker 58 Oh, Mad Catter.

Speaker 2 R.I.P. Grumpy Cat.

Speaker 41 RIP Grumpy Cat.

Speaker 2 Gave great head, though.

Speaker 13 Hi, dudes. Do I need to do anything?

Speaker 17 I'm just a guy who cumbed on his cat. Who didn't come on his cat?

Speaker 2 Didn't come on his cat. Yeah.

Speaker 41 Okay.

Speaker 67 Shane Dawson.

Speaker 68 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 8 All right, sorry.

Speaker 56 Do I need to do anything about the tire pressure light in my car, or can I ignore that until spring?

Speaker 30 Nah.

Speaker 2 Unless there's a fire in your car, you can still probably drive it.

Speaker 1 I just always

Speaker 20 hit the reset button, and then if it doesn't come on for at least a couple days, you're good.

Speaker 2 I used to just say it's just a fuse, probably. Just a blown fuse.
No, actually, honestly, if it's a tire issue, just drive to any gas station and walk in and be like, hey, I think my car is broken.

Speaker 2 And then the simp that works behind the counter will come out and he'll just fill your tire up with air. It's very easy.
Yeah.

Speaker 70 It's pretty.

Speaker 8 It was, but that's okay.

Speaker 56 Hi, guys. I was wondering.

Speaker 56 I'm being nice. Hi, guys.
I was wondering if you guys had any input as far as what I should do with my boyfriend. So for his birthday, I got him a Nintendo Switch.

Speaker 56 Easy to say it was the worst decision of my life. He won't stop playing to the fullest extent.
Like when I say he won't stop playing, he will not stop.

Speaker 12 All caps.

Speaker 56 He brought a traveling case and brings it all caps everywhere with him.

Speaker 14 Oh, love this.

Speaker 56 Out to eat with friends, Switch comes to. San Jose Sharks game, Switch comes to.
Dinner at what I thought to be his future in-laws, Switch.

Speaker 56 Christ, even late at night when trying to get intimate, hold on, babe. I just need to win this grand prix real quick.

Speaker 56 It's getting so bad to the point where I don't know if I should break the Switch or just leave him. Any thoughts? Wait.
I'm embarrassed and really frustrated that it's consuming his life.

Speaker 2 Is a Switch handheld? Yeah.

Speaker 12 I want one.

Speaker 64 They're great.

Speaker 70 Fuck.

Speaker 2 This guy actually sounds cool in the way that he is doing the most disrespectful things and the lamest things that he knows.

Speaker 2 They're like, there are there are social rules set up against bringing your video games out to dinner with your in-laws.

Speaker 56 That's his parents, though.

Speaker 2 There are normal rules like don't bring your phone or your gaming system to a live sports game that you're watching. But he just doesn't care at all.

Speaker 14 He's got the itch.

Speaker 31 I was going to say,

Speaker 20 if I don't know what phase they're in right now, like how long it's been that he's had the switch.

Speaker 3 Speaking from my own experience, if you just let me play my video games for like three weeks straight, I'll tire out and and I'll find something else.

Speaker 40 I think most people are very much like that.

Speaker 52 We're like a new game or a new system, it's balls to the wall for three weeks, maybe a month.

Speaker 36 And then you kind of wake up, you're like, oh, shit, I should probably do other things in life.

Speaker 2 It would be pretty awesome if he was bringing a hockey game to the hockey game, though.

Speaker 50 Well, that would be cool.

Speaker 2 That would be sick. Yeah, that would be very cool.

Speaker 17 That's like when I was a little kid and I thought that my Game Boy controlled, that's why they made you turn it off when you were landing because I could control the plane with my Game Boy.

Speaker 30 No, that's true. That's very stupid.

Speaker 21 Very stupid. That was when I was 14.

Speaker 71 I'm just kidding.

Speaker 56 My boyfriend's brother used to be cool and we would all hang out together often.

Speaker 56 He got a girlfriend that ruined everything fun about him from his willingness to go out to his diet and even his sense of humor.

Speaker 56 Is it possible for him to return to normal without trying to break my boyfriend's brother and new girlfriend up?

Speaker 2 It sounds like this girl really likes her boyfriend's brother. That's what this sounds.

Speaker 35 You're mad.

Speaker 2 You mad, Cameron meme, that your boyfriend's brother has a girlfriend because you used to get all that time to yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 56 Yes, sounds like Kitty Kelly.

Speaker 70 Kitty Kelly, yeah.

Speaker 2 Kitty Kelly, yeah. Oh, he's dating this new slut that just gives him head all the time.

Speaker 13 What are you going to say, Billy?

Speaker 67 Buy your boyfriend's brother a Nintendo Switch.

Speaker 14 Also a good idea.

Speaker 13 Boom. Call me.

Speaker 16 Oh, yes. No, you can't do anything.
There's nothing you can do about it.

Speaker 31 You sound selfish, too.

Speaker 36 Because you have your boyfriend, and then you also want the boyfriend's brother, too?

Speaker 13 Yeah, come on.

Speaker 2 She likes this guy.

Speaker 13 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 56 All right, we'll end with this one.

Speaker 56 Hey, fellas, my boyfriend and I have been together for four years. One presidency.
My best friend just got engaged, and of course. Oh, wait.

Speaker 6 No, it's got to be two presidents.

Speaker 56 Well, I added that. That was a little.

Speaker 15 Okay, but you didn't do the math right.

Speaker 22 But you know what?

Speaker 14 I'm being positive.

Speaker 56 Four years equals one presidency. Right, but how long is a president's term? But it's been two years.
How long is president's term?

Speaker 3 You count by the president. It's been two presidencies.

Speaker 56 How long is one president?

Speaker 61 But it's been two presidencies.

Speaker 56 How long is one presidential term?

Speaker 2 Four years. But it's been two presidents.

Speaker 56 Okay. My best friend.
Actually, you're right, big cat.

Speaker 56 My best friend just got engaged, and of course, her wedding is on the same day as my boyfriend's sister's wedding.

Speaker 56 My boyfriend said he wants me to come to his sister's wedding, but I don't want to regret not going to my best friend's wedding. Which wedding should I go to?

Speaker 59 You got to go to your best friend's wedding.

Speaker 17 What is this?

Speaker 61 Wait, best friend? So it's all right.

Speaker 36 So this chick, her best friend got engaged, getting married.

Speaker 61 Her boyfriend's sister is also getting married.

Speaker 56 Same date.

Speaker 9 They've been dating four years.

Speaker 56 One presidency.

Speaker 61 One presidency.

Speaker 17 Or two.

Speaker 61 I think you have to, if it's truly your best friend, now it can't be because girls like to say everyone's their best friend.

Speaker 24 They have a lot of best friends.

Speaker 2 Just going to shoot that straight.

Speaker 40 I think you have to go to your best friend's wedding.

Speaker 2 I think it all comes down to which invitation you got first.

Speaker 32 But if you're in the best friend's wedding, you have to go to that.

Speaker 31 If you're in, that's actually the, if you are in the

Speaker 8 best friend, if she's in the winter. She's not

Speaker 31 And if she's in it, she's got to go.

Speaker 56 But think about if you think you're going to marry this kid and you're in.

Speaker 13 You're going to shop the end.

Speaker 56 Yeah. Seeing all these pictures and stuff for the rest of your life, every dinner, like every time they talk about the wedding, it's going to be like, oh, you weren't there.

Speaker 2 But it's your best friend. If it is your best friend.
Yeah. It sounds to me like...

Speaker 36 It's not in the wedding.

Speaker 2 I think Big Cat was sniffing out a rat on this one. Yeah.
Because it doesn't. You would be in the wedding.
You would be a bridesmaid. Right.
Because girls, they'll have like, they don't give a shit.

Speaker 2 They'll have 16 bridesmaids and be like, oh, yeah, my husband's a loser. He only has two, but I'm still going with my, you know, like two dozen that I've got that I haven't seen since college.

Speaker 2 So I think that if you were actually a best friend, you would have made that cut and you would be in the wedding. Right.

Speaker 56 There is no. What if there is no wedding parties?

Speaker 2 No wedding parties? Then it sounds like it's a broke wedding. Go to the other one.
Yeah. No, probably a cash bar.

Speaker 50 You got to pay for your beer, yeah. Uh-huh.

Speaker 22 You could also go to one rehearsal dinner and then go to the other wedding.

Speaker 31 But I think you got to go.

Speaker 13 I think that's what.

Speaker 31 If you're in the wedding.

Speaker 32 If you're in the wedding, you have to go.

Speaker 56 What if you're not in the wedding?

Speaker 13 Then I think there's no wedding party.

Speaker 59 Then I think there's no wedding party.

Speaker 56 So it's like an intimate guest list.

Speaker 2 Well, then that's even more. That's more prostitute.
If it's like under 20 people at the wedding and no wedding party, then yeah, that probably is your best friend.

Speaker 59 Actually, now that I'm thinking about this whole thing, this is your perfect time to basically hold your boyfriend hostage and be like, I would love to go, but who knows if we're going to be together forever?

Speaker 31 Hint, hint.

Speaker 8 Get that ring.

Speaker 6 You could basically, you have all the leverage.

Speaker 26 Because if he really wants you to go, you got to be like, like, well, I don't know.

Speaker 63 Like, what if we break up in a year?

Speaker 2 Or you can see how much he cares about you.

Speaker 2 You can do the real passive-aggressive thing and tell him that you're going to go to his sister's wedding and then always be like scrolling Instagram with pictures of you and your best friend. Yes.

Speaker 2 And be like, oh, so sad I'm not going to be able to be there for Sarah's wedding. And then see if he'll be like, you know what, babe?

Speaker 2 It sounds like this wedding means a lot to you. You can go.
And if you know that he'll do that, then you're going to want to stick around with him.

Speaker 4 Also, check the invite because let's just call a spade a spade, guys.

Speaker 62 We're we're uh

Speaker 9 you know boosting up the patriarch here.

Speaker 55 What if the best, what if your boyfriend's sister is actually getting married to your best friend?

Speaker 15 That could happen.

Speaker 2 Lesbians, the woman was a doctor the whole time,

Speaker 13 wow.

Speaker 24 We've we fucked that. Actually, that's actually this question.

Speaker 61 She's doing this to fuck with us.

Speaker 40 She thought we wouldn't get to this point where we're like, two women can get married.

Speaker 54 Nice try.

Speaker 40 We sniffed it out.

Speaker 48 Go to both the weddings at the front.

Speaker 58 Your boyfriend's sister.

Speaker 2 Love is love.

Speaker 25 No,

Speaker 61 your best friend is marrying your boyfriend's sister.

Speaker 13 Love is love.

Speaker 18 That was all a plan to make us look like misogynistic assholes.

Speaker 14 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 39 And we totally got it.

Speaker 19 There's going to be...

Speaker 48 That's a hot wedding.

Speaker 2 What about this, though?

Speaker 2 What if the girl's best friend is a guy?

Speaker 12 Oh.

Speaker 58 Could also be.

Speaker 2 And then they could be getting married, too. And

Speaker 61 what if the boyfriend's sister is...

Speaker 23 We don't know.

Speaker 30 she's transitioning.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 the girl's best friend is a guy

Speaker 2 who's marrying the boyfriend's sister, but the sister is really pissed off at the brother because the other brother's new girlfriend sucks, and that's you. Yeah.
So don't go to any wedding. Yep.

Speaker 2 Sounds like you're just not wanted around.

Speaker 46 We gave you all the permutations on this one.

Speaker 13 We nailed that.

Speaker 8 We crushed that.

Speaker 8 All right. Numbers.
numbers,

Speaker 2 numbers. Yeah, I just had a quick recap.

Speaker 69 Yeah, yeah. Do it.

Speaker 67 Let's do it. Kyler Murray's always reminded me of something.
Everyone's like, you know, like, he's small, it's weird or whatever. His helmet's really big.

Speaker 67 Just realized Madden 09 had an all-play five-on-five mode where all the players had huge heads.

Speaker 48 Yes, I remember Kyler Murray.

Speaker 67 On the Wii.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.
That's where it was. Yeah.

Speaker 67 It was like in my brain somewhere.

Speaker 77 It looks like a Wii character. Yeah.

Speaker 67 Where the big-headed football player is from. That's where it's from.

Speaker 2 All right. Sick, Billy.
That was your recap?

Speaker 48 Kind of. Billy's recap was just another point.

Speaker 74 I'm just covering one thing.

Speaker 2 I like it, Billy. Thank you.

Speaker 16 Numbers, what do you got, Jake? What do you got?

Speaker 13 18.

Speaker 84 18.

Speaker 13 Again, you're going to write back? Yep.

Speaker 40 But this is now getting to a point. So you've won it three times.

Speaker 16 Yeah. But people are asking, can you win it with a different number?

Speaker 2 You're a system player.

Speaker 65 That's what people are asking.

Speaker 8 People are asking.

Speaker 22 I'm not asking, but people are asking, can Jake win the lottery with a different number?

Speaker 8 Can he take another number across the finish line?

Speaker 2 Well, Jake, also, you you pick 18 because it's like a

Speaker 2 Jewish good luck number, right?

Speaker 13 That too, yeah.

Speaker 16 Yeah, but can you win it with another number?

Speaker 70 Maybe.

Speaker 76 And did an MJ win six?

Speaker 14 I guess we'll know.

Speaker 36 Yeah, but I'm talking about like this more like coaching, right?

Speaker 22 Like, you, I mean, that's.

Speaker 2 He did, but then he went to the Wizards and got exposed as being a fraud.

Speaker 65 No NFL coach, no NFL coach has ever won a Super Bowl with two different franchises.

Speaker 60 Okay. Could you be the first? 44.

Speaker 14 Well, actually, no, you wouldn't be the first because I've done this.

Speaker 2 44.

Speaker 74 Right?

Speaker 41 All right. 81.

Speaker 76 44.

Speaker 84 44

Speaker 59 for Obama

Speaker 8 of course go Hank Leo

Speaker 78 good love Hank 12 88 12 Hank 81 Tom Brady I love Tom Brady and all his success

Speaker 84 please be 18 please be 18

Speaker 76 70 god that would have been so funny if it was 18 that would have been so funny second time damn it second time for 70 rejected that though

Speaker 67 second time for 70 Cody or South American raccoons love you guys Cody

Speaker 2 Is this a joke?

Speaker 70 Is this an inside joke that one person's going to get?

Speaker 67 No.

Speaker 2 What is it? Shout out to Cody Dale Cody's?

Speaker 67 C-O-A-T-I.

Speaker 2 Cody's. Yeah.
Or South American raccoons.

Speaker 67 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Why are you saying it all weird?

Speaker 67 I just thought of them.

Speaker 67 I just talked about them. Oh.

Speaker 75 All right.

Speaker 41 Just Google them.

Speaker 67 See exactly what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 Love you guys.

Speaker 15 Talking away.

Speaker 15 I don't know what I'm to say. I'd say

Speaker 15 anyway.

Speaker 15 Today isn't my

Speaker 15 day to find you shying away.

Speaker 15 Oh, I've been coming for your love, okay.

Speaker 15 on

Speaker 15 me

Speaker 15 Needless to say

Speaker 15 I'm all set in

Speaker 15 somebody's own

Speaker 15 away

Speaker 15 Turning learning what is okay

Speaker 15 Say up to me

Speaker 15 It's the better to be safe but sorry sorry.

Speaker 15 They

Speaker 15 come

Speaker 15 in

Speaker 15 all the things that you say.

Speaker 15 All the things that you say.

Speaker 15 of the things that you say,

Speaker 15 easy alive.

Speaker 15 Just a flame of worries away.

Speaker 15 You're all the things I've got to remember.

Speaker 15 You shine away.

Speaker 15 Well, I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 15 Twake

Speaker 15 on

Speaker 15 me

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Speaker 15 on

Speaker 15 me