Joey Harrington, MNF Recap, Hot Seat/Cool Throne And Guys On Chicks

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You're not watching football right if you're not doing it with Tostitos. Today is Wednesday, December 15th, and the Los Angeles Rams are back.
No longer frauds. They got their big win.
Matt Stafford gets a big win against a good team on Monday Night Football. He was throwing dimes.
Aaron Donald was incredible, and I don't want to say anything that will hurt anyone's feelings, but Kyler Murray does have interceptions where he's too short. Well, he looks shorter in the red.
I think when he's wearing the all red strip that they've got, that takes away at least like six to eight inches. His head looks bigger with the white helmet.
He actually does look like that meme. I don't know if it was Barstool Gooch that actually came up with that Photoshop originally, but the tiny Kyler Murray where he looks like a cute little baby from Super Smash Brothers.

Yeah. And he

actually looks like that when he's wearing the red uniform

at home. The Cardinals really just have a

home problem. Yes, they do.

They're really good on the road.

They're 3-3 at home. And I know a lot

of people were upset and annoyed at the yelling

guy that they had down in Phoenix that was just screaming

at the top of his lungs. I like that guy.

That guy was the only guy that

was bringing the fucking noise. Yeah.
That's

a guy that should be celebrated. I actually think that the

Thank you. guy that they had down in Phoenix that was just screaming at the top of his lungs.
I like that guy. That guy was the only guy that was bringing the fucking noise.
That's a guy that should be celebrated. I actually think that the fact that we could hear that guy yelling so loudly that ties into their home field advantage problem because everybody should be yelling as loud as that guy.
Or he's just sitting next to a microphone which it sounded like he was actually eating the microphone at times. We shouldn't be able to pick out that one dude yelling, you need to have louder fans at home.

I'm putting this loss on the entire city of Arizona.

It was, I mean, Kyler Murray didn't play well.

They just made mistakes.

Like, those two interceptions were,

you can't have an interception on the five-yard line,

and the interception where Leonard Floyd,

like, that was the one where you're saying,

listen, Kyler Murray's really, really good.

There's no doubt that he is a franchise quarterback.

But there are plays where you wish he was a few inches taller.

I don't know. Where you're saying, listen, Kyler Murray's really, really good.
There's no doubt that he is a franchise quarterback. But there are plays where you wish he was a few inches taller.
I think that's totally fair to say. I wish he was a little bit taller in that one instance where he was trying to throw it over Leonard Floyd.
And it's not even that he couldn't see over Leonard Floyd. It's like he didn't understand that Leonard Floyd could easily jump up and catch that because Leonard Floyd's that much taller.
I'll give you a counter example though Big Cat I think that there was one play I think it might have even been the last play of the game but there were some other plays that he mixes in every I'm aware but on that last play yeah he almost got sacked first and he's able to duck under sacks more easily because he's 5'10 or 5'9 or whatever it does happen a few times a game where somebody will come in and they don't know. It's very hard for a defensive lineman to hit Kyler Murray in a way that's legal by Roger Goodell's new rules of the game.
Yeah, no, he's slippery and he's so fast and he makes so many awesome plays. And his head is at shoulder level for him.
So it's tough sometimes. He's able to duck underneath a lot of these sacks.
He ended up getting really just falling down on his own on that last play and got the sack at the end of the game but um he i think sometimes his height works to his advantage in a weird way yeah yeah i i would take that i just that letter floyd pet that was what are you doing yes he can clearly catch that also i i like the fact that kyler murray's a little shorter because it makes james connor look like the largest running back of all time. I had to go look up his height because I was like, is James Conner 6'5"? He's only 6'1", but he looks so tall because he runs in an upright position and also he's standing next to Kyler Murray.
The big story, though, from this game, obviously everyone knows Aaron Donald's incredible. He completely wrecked that game multiple times.
They should count, by the way. Blay holds should count as sacks for the defensive lineman.
Yeah, there was a couple times where it was the guy had to wrestle Aaron Donald to the ground. That was the only way that he wasn't going to give up a sack.
But the big story of the game for me, at least, was Matt Stafford playing lights out, making huge throws time and time again. And we all know the Matt Stafford stat where against good teams, he has not performed well in his career.
That's a lot of Lions. But that was a big, big game for Matt Stafford when the questions were starting to be asked again.
I think Detroit fans are probably rooting for Matt Stafford, right? I'd actually like to hear from Detroit Lions fans. Are you getting vicarious pleasure out of watching Matt Stafford actually win games for a change? Do you want him to get a Superbowl or are you kind of like bitter? Like, yeah, you broke up with your girlfriend, but then she like had a major, major upgrade and now she just married a billionaire.
I think they're absolutely rooting for him because he left the city in it on good terms. You could see how much he meant Detroit meant to him.
I think he's still doing a lot of charity work there like that was one of those hey maybe it's just good for both of us to walk away from this yeah fly away free bird right I'm rooting for you I think so too I think that Lions fans that's kind of the one thing that they can have sometimes is occasionally if your best players don't retire first when they go somewhere else you can root for them yeah now a guy guy like when they do the Rinna player, like when Kyle Van Noy comes from the Patriots, they do that a lot. They just borrow players from the Patriots, give them money, and then the Patriots players go back to New England and win.
I don't think they like those guys, but a guy like Matt Stafford, I think it's tough not to root for him. And when he was connecting deep, that one pass that he had to the guy's son, to Van Jefferson, that was a sick pass.
He was so dying. His arm looks way better than it did like three weeks ago when everybody was saying that he was hurt.
Yeah, and it was a big, like that was a big moment, a big game that has a lot to do with seeding and winning the NFC West. And he stepped up and he was, like that was one of those games.
Aaron Donald's the best player on the field. I think we can all agree on that just because of how much he just wrecks shit.
But Matt Stafford was the best offensive player on the field and he was, you know, Cooper Cup was awesome. Like Odell's getting in the mix.
I just, I walked away from that game being like, okay, Matt Stafford. That's the Hall of Fame Matt Stafford that I hope gets there so I can pull up a tweet from five years ago saying you were going to be in the Hall of Fame.
And the other big takeaway is that Brian Greasy is still hoping for a field goal towards the end of the game. Yes.
He really wanted that. I think he had the over.
Yeah. He did.
Because he over hit with the field goal. He did.
He really wanted that field goal. Even the drive before they kicked a field goal, he wanted the field goal then.
He was getting greedy with his field goal requests. Yeah.
He was right, though. He was right.
He was right. They should kick field goals.
I mean, Slater's a very good... Wait, what's the name? Prater.
Prater's a very good field goal kicker, and they should have kicked it earlier, and they should have kicked it on the drive before. Yeah, and also, more big news, we got another onside kick recovery by the team that did not win.
That was the team that Billy was alluding to when he said that three teams recovered an onside kick and did not win.

He was just seeing into the future.

Well, no, the Lions also, remember?

It was the Giants, not the Lions. Oh, it was the Giants.

Yeah.

For the record.

So there were four.

Now it's four.

Now it's four.

Now it's four.

I think they said Prater's like four for 15 or something, which feels really good.

Yeah.

I think he was three for 12 going into it.

It might even be like four for 13 or four for 14. Crazy.
Crazy. I love that little dribbler up the middle.
Yes. I love that onside kick.
Yeah. I think he was 3 for 12 going into it.
It might even be like 4 for 13 or 4 for 14.

Crazy.

I love that little dribbler up the middle.

Yes.

I love that onside kick.

Yeah.

Because no one really wants to touch it and they're all scared.

And also the kicker's a nerd so they don't want to hang out around them and they're like,

eh.

Is it against the respect of the game for a kicker to not just blast the ball at the other

side?

Oh, off someone's face? Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know why they don't do that. You'd think you'd get a good ricochet back.
You could do it. Yeah, I mean, if you could aim it directly at one guy's helmet and hit their helmet.
I don't know why they don't do that. Maybe not in that situation.
If you kick it as hard as you can, they're not going to catch it. You're probably going to miss them, and then if you miss them, it's just going to go like 50 yards or out of bounds.
They should do that, though, that moment when you actually when you absolutely need the recovery but like in the middle of second quarter you score a touchdown just try to like worst case it bounces off them and i don't know they probably end up in like around midfield but it could also be a squib kick that goes all the way down or you blast them in the face and recover so yeah let's think about this because in this because in soccer, a penalty kick is 12 yards away, right? And you think that if they were trying to hit the goalie on every kick, they could probably do it. So the kick on a kickoff is 10 yards away.
So you could probably come pretty close. But remember, too, there's more goalies and a lot of the goalies in this analogy are kind of leaning back, going backwards.

But I don't think that you could aim for a goalie,

miss the goalie, and have it hit enough

because the goalies are too far apart.

Yeah, they're not like shoulder to shoulder.

You just blast it.

This is the exact strategy in Pop Warner

because no one can catch the ball like that.

They just have the kicker just blast at some poor kid with no hands.

It would just be funny to watch.

I still think a drop kick on kickoffs

is by far the easiest way to recover.

You can just sky that up in the air, run 10 yards, easy catch.

Can't you fair catch it, though?

I'm not aware.

This is the Harbaugh thing, right?

This is your old.

Can you fair catch any?

Oh, yeah, Harbaugh tried doing it.

Yeah, and I think it worked, actually.

You brought this up a lot to coaches, I remember.

Yeah, to coaches, and Harbaugh tried doing it, and it worked. A drop kick onside kick? You can fair catch it.
On a drop kick? I know you can on a kickoff. You can fair catch it, but if you drop it, then they can kick it up.
Well, yeah, of course. Onside kick, Harbaugh.
I'm looking it up right now because I want to see this. I can't.
You could also... NFL bans Ravens' crazy kickoff drop kick after watching baltimore use it just one time they banned it yeah fucking goodell so that's why it never happens so i broke the nfl so yeah it was justin tucker uh yeah did the drop kick and the chiefs just had no idea what to do yeah he could have for a fair caught it he just did it yeah but they didn't know what to do yeah right right so um oh no the ravens didn't even recover the onside kick oh well it's cool that was cool until we i looked it up my bad yeah i kind of ruined that it's banned and it didn't work yeah but it's kind of badass that it's banned now it's too hot for tv that's true kicker's going wild baby that took a real turn right there you brought up a good point earlier when you were saying that if if player gets a blatant hold, a defensive player, that they should count that as a sack in their stats.
Absolutely they should. I also think that, and you'll like this one too, Big Cat, if Aaron Rodgers sees a flag on the field for an encroachment and then he throws like a 60-yard bomb that he wouldn't have thrown anyways, that shouldn't count as a touchdown for his career stats.
Yes, yes, because it was cheating. It was cheating, was a play that he he was taking advantage of a loophole in the rules i just know there was at least one maybe two plays last night where aaron donald was so unblockable the offensive lineman just gave up and and like bear hugged him so like those type of plays and i think it was actually greasy who pointed out he's like that's just as good as Obviously, you replay the down, so it's not just as good as a sack, but you do lose the 10 yards.
That's probably the next gen in terms of analytics. If a company can, like, figure out, Pro Football Focus is probably working on it right now, in between their mock draft grades that they're putting out now.
They're probably figuring out a way that they can say, okay, this lineman actually, you know what's more, you know, Big Cat, you know what's even more valuable than quarterback pressures is drawing holds. Holds.
Holds. Or a receiver being able to get interfered with.
That's the most valuable trait of all. Yes.
I also, so this is something different than Monday Night Football. We never even talked about the fact that Stephon Diggs on Sunday looked to the ref to try to get a flag thrown and just like basically gave up on the play.
Twice'm still mad about that twice I think we did bring it up because we're mad about it but yeah he should not have done that and then now I saw a lot of people from Bill's Mafia tweeting us screenshots of Stefan Diggs getting held later on in the game right that happened too yes the refs missed a pass interference in the end zone of course it but yeah it's probably a good idea to try to make a catch as the play is going on instead of looking for a flag. Right.
And also it was a fade, and I just don't, like, you should get, you shouldn't even get pass interference calls on fades because it's such a dumb play call. Yeah.
I also think that the refs are less likely to throw a flag if you give up on a route and start complaining to them while the ball is still in the air. Absolutely.

Absolutely.

No one likes to be shown up.

It's James Harden looking for a foul without going through,

like actually playing through contact.

James Harden plays through contact.

James Harden.

But he would look. There's guys.

Miritich, Nikola Miritich used to always do that

where he would basically stop playing looking for a foul

and the ref would be like, nope, because you're being a bitch,

I'm not going to call this foul.

I could also see James Harden looking for a shooting foul to get called, but he never actually attempts the shot. Yeah.
He's like about to be on his way up. He gets hit and instead of attempting the shot, he just looks at the ref like that was a shooting foul.
Yes. Call that.
All right. Any other things for Monday Night Football? I mean, I was looking at this upcoming weekend and it's coming down to it.
Like all these games, a lot of these games have some big time. The Chiefs-Chargers game on Thursday night has huge, huge significance.
You actually do have a bet on this game. I do.
Because if the Chargers win this game, they're most likely going to win the NFC West. Yeah, no, I have all my money right now is tied up in futures, Big Cat.
That's why I can't bet. Not because I lost all my money gambling.
I've just got so many futures that I'm waiting. I'm good for it, you know? Like, I'm sure Jameis Winston will win comeback player of the year this year, and I'll be a rich man when that happens.
But I think I'm going to bet on the Chiefs. I haven't made my official decision on which team I'm going to bet on without actually actually betting on but i think it's going to be the chiefs just because i think slater is such a big loss and covet is about to just and chris jones though on the other side not to poke the bear on covet but sounds like you're about to poke the bear on the coat i'm not going to poke the bear on cover but yeah covet is back and it's a problem it's back although it's a very big issue florio with a 180 what that i didn't see coming at all to tell mike flory because i started to get here's how i know that florio's really dropped a fucking bomb on his little tv show that he does on the cock is i start to get tagged in tweets in the morning from old people that live in ohio that think that i'm mike florio right and they're mad at me for something so today i started to get some tweets that were like thanks for coming around mike we love you we appreciate you and i was like what's going on here turns out that florio has come 180 degrees now he has to take that if a player in the nfl test positive and they are asymptomatic they should still practice and play wow because he said go mike he said that there's no evidence of on-field transmission of COVID, which if true, that makes sense then, right? Yeah.
If people aren't passing it to each other, but then you have to think like what about the other people in the facilities? There's other stuff that hurts my brain when all the details come into play, but I didn't see Mike making that move. Yeah, that is a weird one.
He's late in the game. Yeah.
Like the time was about to expire, and he just threw that up. I didn't see that coming that far.
How awesome would it be if Florio went like full Clay Travis? It would be great just so he'll turn on everyone's face. Mike, you can do it.
Yeah, it's going to be right around with playoffs coming too. I don't know.
They're going to probably have to update their policy. it's going to be right around with playoffs coming too.

I don't know.

They're going to probably have to update their policy.

It's going to be bad.

Did you see that on week 18?

They're flexing two games a Saturday night with playoff implications.

Yes, I did.

So that might be cool if it was.

Maybe both AFC North.

No, it's not the same time, right?

No, different times.

Yeah.

But I think they'll do one AFC North primetime game Saturday, one Sunday, if I had to guess. Oh, so both AFC Norths.
I think there might be an NFC West in there. Wait, week...
Oh, yeah, because week 18 is January 8th. Well, no, they'll do two playoff implication games on Saturday.
But I think they'll do... The AFC North is going to be the vision that it all comes down to.
It's going to be decided, yes. It's going to be great.
It's so weird because it's Monday night football, but it's on Saturday. And usually they do Thursday night football, Saturday edition.
Right. It's going to be all fucked up.
Right. It's going to be tough, but more football.
Feels like more football. Yeah, it's actually the exact same amount of football, but spread it around it's not it's more football right it's like uh loaded nachos that are sky high or maybe a big plate of them uh that you can see all the chips yeah what i like about that is i i think of more football just like days that i have football right exactly so this is a more day of football yes yes and we have bowls coming up which will be great um okay let's do hot seat cool throne and then we will get to uh joey harrington talk to him great interview with joey harrington very excited for people to listen to it hank the happiest boy that ever did live henry lockwood hot seat cool throne thank you big cat uh you're in such a good mood i'm always in a great mood and i to, you know, I know there's a lot of people going through a lot of things and might have a little motivation, so just think big, trust yourself, make it happen.
We're getting there. Make your bed.
Make, yeah. My hot seat is the ACC, the Atlantic Coast Conference.
A premier conference, you know, our entire livelihood. Well, they're a joke in football this year.
Yeah, cross-country. Joke in football this year.
In basketball, thank God for Duke because they're the only team that's even decent in the ACC. Let's see if Duke can make it sober to March first.
They've lost six bye games. Yeah.
Six. Which would you like to explain what a bye game is? Well, it's because it's the epitome of brutality.
Yes, it is. It's when a big school pays a little school to play them.
I've never fully understood that. It's always like a tweet where it's like, this team paid $405,000 and lost.
Yeah, because they're doing it to pump up their schedule and win. So a team like Virginia Tech hypotheticallyetically would pay james madison to come down to blacksburg and ideally beat them instead of losing 21 to 17 uh but then they pay the money because that's a notch in their record book which boosts them up at the end of the year for the rankings so they get to sell out a game which doesn't even really work the same way it used to because it actually,

it's antiquated because it used to be, you know,

there was back in the day when it was essentially if you get to 20 wins,

you're in the tournament, and it didn't really matter who the wins were.

Now there's analytics and everyone's got the rankings and net rankings and quad one wins and everything.

So these buy games, you could make the argument for practice purpose,

like, hey, you get the guys an extra game where you get some run and try out some new things. But it does, Jake, would you back me up? It only can hurt you at this point.
It can only hurt you. It doesn't help you with a resume at all.
And the mid-majors, it can help them too. Right.
Because we're seeing mid-majors sometimes getting at large, rarely. But it used to be that you would just basically look at the final standings and be like, if you have 20 wins, you're pretty much in.
Yeah, now if you have a loss that stands out. Right, you can be fucked.
If Duke loses his next three to South Carolina State, App State, or Cleveland State, would be a real shame. Do you have to schedule, Jake, do you have to schedule the same amount of games each school? It's like, here's a minimum.
No, because some play in the early season tournaments, like Wisconsin played three games in three days. Although those are guaranteed games, but yeah, those can change.
Is there a window, though? What's to stop a school from just doing, we're going to play three top 25 teams? There's a minute of max. And obviously the conference schedule is set.
Right, and some conferences is more. I know the Big East is playing.
I guess some of them are playing 20, some play 18. So it depends.
Either way, buy games. Yeah, hot seat for sure.
I think it's usually just like an athletic director having a friend who's an athletic director at another school. Hey, do you want this check? Yeah.
All right. We're still friends.
Yeah. And to not use it on your kids.
You want the check and to not have to actually like buy new uniforms and stuff. Awesome.
I got this money. Take it.
Here you go.

I wonder if we could figure out a way legally

to make us buy game possible.

Because there is incarnate word and shit.

Like IGN or whatever?

No, yeah.

What if Duke could...

If we're like, hey, Duke, for $300,000,

you can schedule a part of my take and beat the fuck out of me.

Yeah, we'd never answer your call.

We hire...

Yeah, Bishop Thicamore. Why? Because I would buy beer for Pablo.
Disgusting slander you've put against a promising program. Yeah, I would buy beer for him, and he'd probably get so drunk that he gets cramps, and he can't compete anymore.
Either way, it's bad for the ACC. I think coming off the fact that they were a joke in football this year, too, it's tough.
It's tough if you're a power conference once, no longer. Formerly a power conference, yeah.
Ever since they decided to move out of Greensboro, that's when it all went south. My cool throne is Boston Esports.
Robert Kraft bought a Call of Duty team, so they're my new Esports team. I'm sure they're going to be excellent.
I've actually been following the Call of Duty League since the pandemic. We got into it.
I met some of their players and saw them following along. They basically didn't have a 12th team.
It was a disaster. The league's in total shambles.
Everyone says that buying these roster spots is a waste of money, all these things. And I would have agreed with them until Robert Kraft bought the 12th spot.
Now it's a smart investment. Genius investment.

I'm all the way in.

Boston Esports to the moon.

Wait, do you have to be in Boston to play for the team?

No.

So the Call of Duty League is kind of –

They tried to franchise it.

They also got fucked because they literally started the league in January,

then COVID happened.

But they tried to do the franchise model where they do different cities.

But then during COVID, everyone just moved to Texas because that's where the best internet is. So it's like...
Really? Is that true? Apparently, yeah. Or is it Texas? Fiber.
No, it's where... Oh.
Although, like, if you're... A lot of video game people move to Texas.
They do have Google Fiber in Austin. Something like that.
Yeah. But yeah, so the Call of Duty League is a shit show.
Not anymore, though, because Robert Kraft's involved in, you know, Boston Esports to the moon. My other cool throne is the under in the West Ham Arsenal game.
Oh, good pick. Thank you.
Hank's a soccer sharp now. That's tomorrow, though.
Today. It's today.
Wednesday. Are you sure? Yeah.
Oh. What time's the game? 3.30, I believe.
I think it's Wednesday. Oh, today you mean Wednesday.
It's not happening right now.

No, I would not give a pick for yesterday.

Got it.

So Hank, you've been doing a lot of research on soccer games?

Yeah, I'm just a big footy fan.

You guys know me over the years.

Huge footy guy.

Been on a heater the last couple days,

so I'm just going to try and keep it going.

Love it.

Hank Ladwood.

Yeah.

Take that under.

Thanks for the lock, Hank.

You're welcome.

Appreciate it. That's what I do for you guys because I care.
Yeah, you do. All right for the lock, Hank.
You're welcome. Appreciate it.

That's what I do for you guys. Yeah.
Because I care. Yeah, you do.
All right, PFT, your hot seat, Cool Trunk. My hot seat is manners.
I'm putting manners on the hot seat. There was an ugly article that came out in the Washington Post earlier today about the falling out between Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen, former president of the Washington football team.
and this is maybe the most hilarious

on the nose Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen, former president of the Washington football team. And this is maybe the most hilarious on-the-nose Dan Snyder anecdote that I've ever heard.
So they're engaged in like a lawsuit going back and forth on a bunch of stuff. And it said that Snyder's grievances with Allen range from conspiratorial to petty.
So when Snyder hired Ron Rivera, Bruce Allen sent Ron Rivera a text saying congratulations Ron I'm very proud of you very happy for you this is great Dan Snyder found out that Bruce Allen congratulated Ron Rivera and got pissed off that Bruce Allen didn't send a text to Dan Snyder congratulating him on hiring Ron Rivera got it at the same time so then they're going back and forth with all these discussions and all these um all these different stipulations for the lawsuit and snyder put in writing in a letter to bruce allen uh i understand that mr allen has agreed to send a text message to mr snyder stating congrats on the hire as a condition for them settling their lawsuit with each other. He still wanted Bruce Allen to text him saying congratulations on hiring Ron Rivera.
And I agree with him. Yeah.
I think it's a disgrace. It's indicative of why Bruce Allen was probably fired that he's the type of person that doesn't have the morals to congratulate somebody on making a good hire of another person.
Apparently, Bruce Allen has not agreed to that stipulation. Well, Dan Snyder didn't hire him.
Dan Snyder hired Ron Rivera. Did he, though? Yeah.
Oh, his wife did because his wife handles day-to-day operations of the team? Who did Bruce Allen congratulate? Bruce Allen congratulated Ron Rivera on getting hired. I like this.
If you're a rich dude and you get in all these legal trappings and you're just dragging shit through court, why not be as petty as possible? Yeah, I love it. I think that Dan Snyder is right.
He deserves to be congratulated for getting something right from time to time. So Dan Snyder, you know what? I'll be the bigger man than Bruce Allen.
I've probably done worse shit to you than Bruce Allen's ever done. Said worse things at least.
Congratulations on hiring Ron Rivera. I'm very proud of you.
I'm going to double that. Congratulations, Dan Snyder, on hiring Ron Rivera.
That's an incredible hire. All thumbs up the message.
Okay, thank you. Congrats, Dan Snyder.
Thank you. Congrats.
That counts. My cool throne is making material mistakes.
UEFA was doing their Champions League draw. Did you see that? Yeah.
They were doing their Champions League draw, and they fucked up the pools. The ping pong.
This is why you just need one ping pong ball machine, and not like six of them that you're drawing from. They fucked up the draw, screwed over.
Who did they over who they screwed over like real madrid yeah there's a couple teams that everyone's crying foul so they said like re abraham when he did the material change thing uefa's their uh their verbiage was we have made a material mistake in our draw so we're going to redo the entire thing do it all over again good job good job that's associated with soccer, you can always count on just it being insanely rigged. Incorrupt, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, to the max.
Alright, my hot seat is Ray Allen. Steph Curry is going to...
By the time you're listening to this, Steph Curry has already broken the record. Three-point record.
He's doing it at Madison Square Garden tonight. I'm actually going to go to the game.
I'm excited for it. What are you going to say, Hank?

You don't know that.

Okay, you're right.

Blood bank, mortal lock.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

No, this is grumpy Hank.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

I take it back.

True colors.

True colors.

He can't help himself.

That's awesome, Big Cat.

I bet you it was an awesome environment to be in.

He has to make.

That must have been sick.

He has to make.

Hanky Haters back.

I'm just trying to.

Two threes tonight.

Yeah.

But you're right, Hank. No, technically I am, but you're right.
Wait, are you sitting in the nosebleeds? I'm not. I'm going to send a picture.
No, I won't even send a picture because I don't want to be shamed. That sounds awesome.
Are you sitting higher or lower than Jake and the lads? You know that you can't tweet a picture. I tweet a picture from Army-Navy, and everyone's like, these seats suck.
I was in a box. They either say, oh, wow, you don't need to brag if you're on the floor.
Yeah. Or six seats.
No win. Yeah.
No win. No win.
You got a little mecha fix going. What? You got a little mecha fix going.
This is my second game, yes, that I've gone to. Do you have a Kinect? That's a fix.

No.

Just going to the game.

Hank and I are allowed there. Well, no, I didn't know if it was like you had such a good experience at the Bulls game

that you're like, I got to get back in there.

A friend of mine moved to New York, and I haven't seen him yet,

so we're like, let's go to a game.

You know?

Just guy stuff.

Is that okay with you?

I'm just curious where the seats are.

Okay, cool.

Yeah.

I'll send you a picture. Yeah, I want to roast him.
Are you cool? You're the one that's being. Are you okay with it? No, actually, you know what? I'm being.
Are you okay with this? I'm wrong. No, I'm wrong.
I wanted to go see Steph Curry possibly break a record tonight. I'm feeling like I'm getting some pushback.
Maybe should I cancel? All I said was that it seems like you have a fix for the Mecca. If that would make Hank feel better, that's not a negative thing at all.
I won't go. It does seem like Hank is jealous that you are going to potentially witness history.
You want to come? No, I'm not saying that. I was just trying to further the conversation.
He's like, oh, Big Cat, you've been going to the Mecca a lot. It's a fact.
Twice. In how many weeks? Three.
That's how many weeks have you gone beforehand? Basically Spike Lee. Yeah, basically Spike Lee.
But that's not like a negative thing. I love it.
That's just like, oh, fun little factoid. And maybe Ray Allen.
And technically, by letter of the law, he might not get it. He might not get it.
Now I'm actually rooting for him to not get it. I hope he does.
I'm rooting for him to not get it. That would be very funny for the show.
I hope he does in the first quarter. I hope he gets hurt.
I hope he gets paralyzed. What if he in the first and never breaks the record.
What if he doesn't make a single three? What if he takes like 10 of them? He has a worse night of his life. No, what if he actually gets hurt and it's a career-altering injury and he never gets back out there? But do you think they do? Do you think the NBA would allow him to do like a Bernie Mac, Mr.
3000 where he like... RIP.
They have Steph Curry come out in a wheelchair to shoot one last three to tie the record. And he's got like a little device on his wheelchair that shoots it up with one of those arms, pneumatic arms.
What time are you posting this? Because what happens if he does have a terrible injury? It wouldn't be funny. But it would be hilarious.
It would be very, very funny. Yes.
Hilariously funny. What are you looking up, Jake? How many threes do you need? Two? I think he needs one to tie, two to break.
November 21st, he went one of six. He's made October 19th opening night, two for eight at the Lakers.
Every other game, at least three. So he had one game where he hit one? And one game where he hit two.
So that would be tying it. And one game where he hit two.

So Steve Kerr also said that it seems like Steph's been pressing.

Like he knows that the record is here.

So he's been thinking about it a lot.

I have to imagine that he'll be doubly thinking about it at the Mecca, right?

And with me in attendance. With Big Cat in attendance.

Hoping for him to break his leg.

Wait, just his leg now?

No, his neck and his leg.

You can come back from a leg.

Yeah, neck and leg.

What about Doug, like, what's his name? Tom Segura neck and his leg. You can come back from a leg.
Yeah, neck and leg.

What about Doug, what's his name, Tom Segura?

Yeah.

What about Tom Segura style injury?

Everything blows up.

His legs, his arms, his neck, everything.

But he survives.

I'm hoping for that for Hank.

That'd be fun.

All right, my cool throne is F1 drama.

We didn't talk about it, but the final race on Sunday was incredible.

Drive to Survive is going to be even better. I don't know if you guys watched this.
Max won. Red Bull.
Christian Horner, part of this podcast. He's been on.
We'll have to get him on again. But it was similar to the UEFA ping pong ball draw.
This was just completely ridiculous, and they changed rules mid-race, and everyone's upset. But I love the drama.
Yeah. I observe this story through the lens of many memes.
Yeah. That's how I prefer to get my F1 news and try to figure out what happens.
F1 fans are very good at memeing. They're very good at memes.
So just send me all the memes as recaps. And I think I'm going to piece it together based on what I saw in my timeline.
There was a wreck, and right before the caution came out, the guy, Verstappen, overtook the other guy. No, that was after.
So after the wreck, they let, when the safety car was out, and I'm probably fucking this up too, but I don't care because when have we ever cared about being right about anything on this show? There was a safety car out and they let, there was five cars that were, that were lapped, right? That were way behind that were in between Hamilton and Verstappen. And they let Verstappen basically cut in front of all those.
So then to get closer, to get closer. So then the last lap, they had a race for it, but Verstappen was on fresher tires, so he easily beat Hamilton on the last lap.
Got it. And there was also controversy in the first lap because Verstappen drove, like, tried to cut off Hamilton, and Hamilton basically hit the rainbow road and, like, went through the track.
It was so hard to land on that thing. Yeah, so hard.
But either way, I'm excited to watch Drive to Survive and fully understand it maybe that's what we'll do we'll do a recap of sunday's f1 drama as soon as we watch this season of drives to survive and fully understand it i mean it's hard to not be woke on the fact that they would do something like this because it's christian horner against it's toto right yeah toto and they're so like this entire controversy was just invented to get more viewers on Drive to Survive. And the safety guy had an all-time, similar to Dan Snyder, just like, I'm the boss here.
Toto was complaining, and he just said back on the radio, which, by the way, we need to get this in all American sports. The fact that you can listen to these guys bitch and complain in real time is so awesome.
But he just replied to Toto. He's like, it's motor racing.
He's like, that's what it is. It's a motor race.
It's like if you could hear the offensive and defense coordinators live on the headsets during a football game. It's like...
All you would hear is just some spitting dip.

I was going to say, you'd hear Matt Nagy on fourth and inches down 11 in a season that doesn't matter anymore

just breathing too heavily into his headset.

Yeah, Freddie Kitchens, just run the draw.

Run the draw.

That quote, by the way, I just have to throw it out there.

When they asked Matt Nagy about the fourth and inches punt,

he said, you wish you would have went for it.

That's the part where you look back as a coach and go, damn, that would have been a time to do that. Yeah.
The Royal We. The Royal We.
You wish you would have gone for it. Yeah.
All right. Your hot seat, cool throne.
Billy. My hot seat is politics in general.
Uh-oh. So two politicians down in Brazil put all other politics to shame.
Oh, I saw this. After fighting online, calling each other scoundrels in other words and Brazilian, Portuguese actually.

They had a three-round MMA fight, which was sick.

Just two obviously out of shape politicians just actually duking it out

and the crowd was going nuts.

That would sound interesting.

I really kind of wish that would happen more in the United States

and other places.

Yes, that'd be sick. Wait Wait What were you saying Hank? What's the appeal there? Politicians fighting each other? No I'm just kidding I was making a joke Just a little joke Oh hey cat Rough and rowdy Shout out It sounds electric We should try to get politicians To fight in rough and rowdy.
I want to see local town officials. Yeah, that would be fun.
Or at least city officials. At least Don Trump Jr.
and Hunter Biden fighting. I beat the shit out of Bill de Blasio.
They'd probably just end up partying together and banging the same whore. Shout out Hard Factor for that, because that's where you saw it.
That's where you saw the story. Yes.
Subscribe to Hard Factor. Yes, you saw that story.
The best daily news podcast in the world. I saw it there.
I assume you saw it there. Yes.
Okay. We're working on credit.
Wait, Billy, you were about to not credit Hard Factor? No, because I'm actually crediting the blogger Riggs on Barstool because he also blogged it. Okay.
That's where I saw it. So I wanted to give them credit.
Mad credits. And my cool throne is J.R.
Smith. Yes.
4.0. Let's go.
Incredible. That's huge.
Yeah, and he also wants a Jordan NIL deal after posting a 4.0. For some reason, those are connected.
Yeah. He's a golfer.
Okay. And he's a good student athlete.
He should get an academic NIL deal, like getting a 4.0. That's sick.
That's way more impressive than the... Yeah.
more impressive. My other cool throne is smelling salts because Matt Prater ripped the smelling salt before kicking that field goal at the end of the game.
It was just pretty sick. It was very funny.
I love it when kickers do that. That's really the only workout you should be allowed to do as a kicker.
Enough of these curls for the girls. You should be allowed to squat too.
You should be allowed allowed to squat and then rip salts, and that's it. Jake.
Stop me if you've heard this before. My hot seat's Urban Meyer.
Oh! So the latest chapter to this is he was asked on one of his defensive players, Andre Sisco. He said he's playing a little bit more, I believe.
I don't have his numbers in front of me. Did not step on the field.
You know, that's loser talk to have to worry about that. That's details.
He's got guys that worry about his details from and shout out to memes for the Urban Meyer video. The Urban Meyer Hitler video is amazing.
So good. Yeah, perfectly done.
I was telling memes earlier today that that's that's one of those memes that was real hot in the streets back in like 2010 2011 and then it totally fizzled out. I don't think he even knew what it was.
Yeah, yes. And we need to, I think we should bring it back sparingly.
Yes. Like a few times a season.
The icing on the cake was when they cut to the woman crying in that video. And it was alluding that it was Trevor Lawrence.
Spoiler. Very, very huge.
The reaction to it, it's kind of like Billy at the urinal. People are like, isn't comparing Urban Meyer to Hitler a little too far? No.
As if that wasn't like – it was every single video for like a year. Yeah, those people don't understand.
We did it for everything. Yes.
Every single person was Hitler for an entire year on the internet. Mm-hmm.
It's like – I'm trying to think, what story right now – people would be like the administrators at J.R. Smith's College when they find out he gets a 4.0.
That's Hitler being like, what do you mean he got a 4.0? They would use it for everything. The AD of a team that just lost a bye game when finding out the final score.
Yes, exactly. Everyone.
Everyone would get that constantly. Okay.
My cool throne is the Georgia Southern Women's Basketball Team.

Hank finds out that Hank bet against his team again on Sunday.

Yeah. Hank, when he just wakes up.

What do you mean I'm up? What do you mean I have work?

Everyone out.

Everyone out except for Big Cat and PFT so I can bet against their favorite teams.

No. I haven't worked their favorite teams.
No.

I haven't worked a day in my life.

Sorry, Jake.

It's okay.

The Georgia Southern women's basketball team is on my cool throne.

They beat a school named Carver College 133-15.

Carver College went scoreless in the second quarter.

It was 60-5 at half.

It was 99-9 at the end of the third quarter.

And they won 133-15.

Got the sportsmanship people on Twitter.

Oh, they're the worst.

They're the worst.

Yeah.

So you?

No.

Yes, correct. For this situation, in football, you can kneel it.

In basketball, what are you going to do?

Not shoot the basketball?

There's a shot clock.

I'm guessing that with the shot clock, they probably didn't have to shoot as many times as they did.

Also, apparently, they pressed.

Well, that would be part of it.

But, I mean, if you don't like it, stop it.

Yeah.

I have a dumb question, Jake.

Why do women's basketball teams play quarters and men's play halves?

They changed it a few years ago.

I don't know the exact reason.

More timeouts?

More commercials?

They don't do a one-on-one.

Ooh, Ronald Reagan finding out why his wife is trending.

That's a good one, yeah. That would definitely be used.
Throat coat. How good do you think Nancy Reagan's head was? It was great.
I wish we could find that out. I wish we could analytics.
I actually think that there's a chance. For people who don't know, by the way, Nancy Reagan was trending this weekend because someone compared Nancy Reagan and Madonna being like, who would you rather be when you're 60? Like Madonna half clothed or Nancy Reagan? It's a picture of her with her whole family.
And then it got trending that Nancy Reagan was the greatest blowjob queen of all time in Hollywood back in the day. It was a quote from some girl's autobiography.
Kitty Kelly. She said Nancy Regan sucked off everyone in the MGM lot for like 20 years or whatever.
There's a chance, though, that this girl is just super jealous of Nancy Regan. Does that not sound like something that a girl that you hate? Jealous of her head game? Just like, oh, she's such a slut.
She sucks everyone off. That's why people like her.
No, because the way that it was written- Like, tell me that's not like some high school- In that biography, the way it was written was- She got jobs because I didn't because she sucked everyone off. No, it was like, she's really good.
It was like paying homage to her. But Hank is right.
But it's kind of a diss. Yeah, being like, oh yeah, she just gets the jobs because she sucks everyone off.
Definitely is like petty 101. Yeah, so Kitty Kelly gets all these salacious stories in her biography.
That's kind of what she's known for. And if true, I think it's great for...
I think that the first lady or first dude, if there's a woman president, should be really good at giving oral sex. Really good.
Yes. And Nancy Reagan should have wanted to stick around, maybe, to just be full-time first lady.
Yes. Whoever...
current throat goat shout out aj teddies she should be vice president get out of here dr jill biden yeah yes get her up there but yeah that story was very funny very that was when the internet's good i i i think much like many people were like oh she died no she's been dead for. Oh, Nancy Reagan? Yeah.
No, she actually came back to life in a way. Yeah, right.
She lives on forever. They say you die when the last person says your name.
There we go. So she's as alive as she's ever been.
Was it Helen of Troy, the face that could launch a thousand? This is the throat that could launch a thousand ships. Yeah.
There we go. Nancy Reagan.
Shout out. Goat.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It's someone who randomly came up in conversation on the show last week, and we're very excited to have on.
It is former third pick in the NFL draft, former Oregon. Well, he is an Oregon legend still.
It is Joey Harrington. Thank you for joining us, Joey.
We appreciate you doing that. Yeah.
Like, we were just chatting for a second right before you joined, but we had the throwback moment of Joey Harrington NCAA football cover and how much of a legend you were, and you came up naturally in conversation. So we're very, very excited to have you on.
Well, I mean, that was the greatest game. Not specifically that year, but that college football game was the greatest game in the history of video games.
Well, maybe Tecmo Super Bowl. Yeah.
But it's up there. It's up there.
Yes, it's up there. It's coming back in 2023.
Did you used to play that game while you were in college? We used to play the game. So those of us like, you know, because I didn't play my first couple years.
And, you know, red shirt and behind a Keely Smith and, you know, you're down on the depth chart and all of us freshmen in the dorms were like, okay, we've got to get high enough on the depth chart so that we could make it onto the video game next year. Right.
And then you, all of a sudden, like, once you get it, cause I think they went like three deep at each position, but they never use your name. They just use your number.
So then we'd go in and like switch out your put yourself into the game and of course you know when you're third on the depth chart you suck and so you know but still it's like dude that's me that's my number i'm on a game but um i was always too far down the depth chart to make it up until i actually started playing yeah yeah so it's it's great to have you on i actually think that um your story is now going to be brought up a lot more because of the way the NFL has gone and the pressure we put on quarterbacks instantly when they get in and the amount of guys get drafted in the first round. But let's talk about it because obviously people will say bust.
I've read a lot of the stories you've done afterwards. I think you would admit that it obviously didn't go your way, but do you think about it often? Like, man, if this had been different or that had been different, or is it something you're kind of at peace with? I mean, I think it's natural to think, you know, what could have been or in people, because people ask you that question.
But I think what I've come to understand is I love where I'm at right now. Right.
And I get to I live a mile from my parents, a mile from my wife's parents. I run a foundation for my, you know, my main job.
I get to coach my kids basketball. You know, I get to be part of all that.
Right. And so I love where I'm at right now.
That wouldn't have happened if things were different then. And sure.
Do I wish that, you know, I had a 14 year NFL career and, you know, ended up in the Hall of Fame. Sure.
Of course you have those thoughts, but it's, it's bigger than that. Yeah.
Right. Like it's even, you know, I'm sitting here recovering from a knee surgery that, you know,

three months without walking and I'm 43 years old and realizing that hopefully I got another 40 years left of life. And while that, that moment that you're in the NFL, it's, it's crazy.
Like it is beyond, it's not real life. Like it's, it's, it's this world that doesn't exist outside of those 32 teams in these 32 cities.
And I was lucky enough to have the perspective to realize that there's more than just being an NFL quarterback. I'm going to have 50 years of figuring out what the hell to do.
So do I look back and say it would have been nice to play better? Yeah, of course.

Do I wish that I'd had some situations where, you know, the coaching staff and I were on the same page and, you know, you know, where I would have, you know, simply played better and then things would have turned out differently? Sure. Do I wish that, you know, coaches hadn't walked out on us mid-year and left us a note and said, screw it, I'm out.
Of course. I mean, I could go down a laundry list of things that would be amazing stories, but I wish they were different.
But I love where I'm at. Yeah.
And that's a part of who I am, and that's a part of what got me here. I love that perspective.
It sounds like you're actually one of the more well-adjusted former athletes that we've spoken with on this show. It's incredible.
Like the Detroit Lions, as much crap as they get for being a chaotic organization, they actually give you a good perspective in the long term because to some extent you're like, well, I could be back in Detroit. Things could always get worse.
I'm doing okay right now. When you got drafted there, that was right when they went on that run of of drafting you know wide receiver after wide receiver after wide receiver um I I have to imagine that you didn't have a whole lot of input as you know you were just coming off your rookie season as to what direction the franchise was going but um I guess how how soon after you started playing did you realize like this is going to be a little bit different than college it's going be a lot, it's going to be more difficult in a lot of ways.
And it's a business now. You know, people use that phrase.
It's a business, right? It's, oh, it's a business. It's different.
But until it kicks you in the butt, like you don't really, like you, you don't quite understand it. I mean, sure.
There were differences. Like I walked into the locker room as a 23-year-old kid and step into the huddle.
And Ray Brown is my right guard who turned 40 that season. And Bill Schrader is my wide receiver.
And looking around, it's like, I don't have a whole lot of connection with these guys. Like I'm coming out of like having pizza and beer on, you know, on Friday nights and they're, and they're taking their kids to soccer practice and dentist appointments and worry about health insurance.
Like it's, it's a completely different setup than a college locker room. But until like you hit that moment where they truly like run you out of town or they say, you know, thanks, but no thanks.

You know, get out of here until you're cut until you until you have that because they can't cut you in college.

All right. They can they can demote you.
They can bench you. You're still part of the team.
You're still part of the town. But in the NFL, they can just say, hey, thanks.

It's been fun. It's been real.
See you and not pay another dime.

And until you have that happen to you, which which happens to just about anybody, unless you're See you and not pay you another dime. And until you have

that happen to you, which, which happens to just about anybody, unless you're, you know, unless you're Tom Brayton, um, I don't know that it truly sinks in that this is a business, right? It's, it's not until you have something affect you and your family and you realize like, man, I gotta, I gotta move.

Like, I can't even live here anymore.

And that is a, that's a real, that's a big difference from college. And so it happens to everybody in the league with the exception of Tom.
Um, but it's still, it's still football, right? And, and that's the deal is what makes it a business is, is, is the of it like if you go out and play play good football and have fun it's still football if you go go out and play bad football and you suck then it becomes a business real quick right they should be down i think the the part that fascinates me with uh guys that get drafted really high and it doesn't work out for many different reasons. I used to think like, oh, that guy's a bust.

He sucks. fascinates me with guys that get drafted really high and it doesn't work out for many different

reasons. I used to think like, oh, that guy's a bust.
He sucks. Now I'm more on the line of

every guy has a chance and it's a small window where things have to kind of go your way for a

little bit there for it to start to work out. Otherwise, it can go south real fast and you

never really get that full chance of, like, everything around you.

Reading about your time in Detroit, it felt like the offensive scheme,

they wanted you to fit their offensive scheme, not the other way around.

Is that fair to say?

I think that's fair.

You know, you're kind of hitting the nail on the head.

So there's three. Every team carried three quarterbacks when I was playing, right? 32 teams, a hundred guys, a hundred, a hundred quarterbacks in the league who could make every single throw.
They could do every single thing physically that you needed to do. And the difference between the first guy and the third guy was so minuscule, right? In Detroit, they wanted me to play in a West Coast offense.
That wasn't what I was good at, right? And so we're sitting there in one of our install meetings, like right when I first got there. I'll never forget this.
Like we're going through protections, okay? I got a seven-man protection, both backs, you know, five men up front releasing the tight end. And here's how everything works.
And I, and I kind of do a little math here. Okay, great.
I'm protective. They bring it strong.
What happens if, um, what if they bring a free or a weak safety, they bring safety off the weak side. What happens if I get four off the side? Can I side adjust? Can I redirect my protection? And the quarterback coach looked at me and said, no, you just have to buy time and make a play.
And I said, I got I got an 18 yard comeback out there. How am I supposed to buy time with a free rusher? Like, you know, I'm not Steve Young.
I'm not Mike Vick. Like, that's not what I do.
Right. And can't I just give him a signal? And hey, I see it.
Let's adjust. He looked at me in the eye and he said, because that's not what Bill Walsh did.
And I was like, but Bill Walsh coached in the 80s. Like, this is this is something different.
And so could I have played better? Yeah, sure. Of course I could.
But that was that type of offense. Wasn't my strong suit.
I wasn't, I wasn't a quick ball out of my hands, you know, dink and dunk kind of guy. I was best in, in no huddle type stuff.
I was best at the line of scrimmage. I was never going to outrun you.
I was never going to out throw you, you know, of the three quarterbacks on our roster in Detroit.

I didn't have the best arm, but what I could do is I could outthink you. Right.
So if you put me at the line of scrimmage and I get up and recognize I got two safeties, I got a three technique on the weak side. Here we go, man, I'm running here, you know, before you have an opportunity to to adjust to that.
And so, yeah, you're right. If a quarterback who is better in no huddle gets put into a Bill Walsh, you know, quick ball out of your hand, dink and dunk system, it may not be best for him.
But that's the thing. Every single quarterback in the league has the skills to be there.
Every quarterback in the league has the skills to be a, you know, to play NFL football and, you know, some more than others. And sometimes those the ones that are at the top don't get put into the best situation to let them be successful.

Yeah, it's actually like, you know, oftentimes we go back to like Nick Saban and Bill Belichick, but like the things that those two guys do different than everyone else is they will adjust their team to their strengths a year in and year out, even in the season where it's like, this isn't just, Hey, this is my system. We're running my system until it works.
It's no, these are the strengths of my team. This is what I'm going to do.
Like you saw it with Alabama going against Georgia. Like they don't have a good offensive line.
They're going to scheme up stuff to get the ball out quick, to let the receivers make plays. They don have to block for a really long time.
I don't know. I've definitely changed my opinion that obviously players deserve some blame, but I think an organization and a coaching staff deserves as much blame as well.
It's interesting that you brought up... Go ahead, Joey.
I was going to say, you made an interesting point about Saban because I played for him with the Dolphins. Yeah, I was there the year that he left Miami to go to Alabama.
And you're right to a certain point, right? You're right that he will adjust and he will recognize what he needs to do week to week. But there's a foundation that exists, right? He talks about winning football, play winning football, do this, this, this and this.
And you have a chance to win. You don't do those things and screw it don't even show up what are the things what's that what are the things that he says like what's the foundation it is all preparation right it is um god you're gonna you're gonna quiz me now um it's not specific you know you have to you know drink a cup of coffee and, you know, and eat eggs in the morning.
Like, but there are certain standards you hold yourself to, right? Certain ways that you approach the game. It's an idea of having it be more than just a game, right? Having it be a business, having it be a job, the knowledge that somebody else is coming to try and do what you do.
They're trying to take your spot. Don't give them that opportunity.
And it's not don't make a mistake, but it's prepare better than anybody else out there, right? So once you've established that work ethic, now you can make the changes. Now you can say this week I need to be here, whereas next week I need to be here.
But without that foundation, it doesn't matter what you've got because you're going to get your butt kicked. Yeah, was Saban, when he was coaching you on the Dolphins, you always hear about how he approaches the game in college and how he gets the players to buy in.
Was it easy for him to get you guys to buy in because of what he had done at the collegiate level? Or was it like you hear about some of the former Patriots assistants go somewhere, and they try to be like Bill Belichick on the Patriots, but they haven't won anything yet at that level. So, you know, there's like some hesitance from some of the vets on the team.
Or did you guys like listen to them? You're like, hey, this is Nick Saban, obviously a very good football mind. You know, I think it kind of depended on who you were talking to, to be perfectly honest, because Nick likes control.
Like Nick likes to be, like I said, this is how you play winning football. This is what you do.
That doesn't always fly in the NFL, right? It's easy to tell an 18 year old kid, show up, get in line, do it this way. And if you don't do it this way, then I'm going to find somebody else who will.
But when you're talking to a 30 year old vet who has eight years of NFL experience and five pro bowls under his belt, you can't exactly tell him this is the only way to do it. Right.
Because he can say, no coach, I've had success doing it another way. And so I think it really kind of depended on who you talk to.
Like you talk to guys like Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas. I know that they had some, I don't want to say some bumps, but they were able to work respectfully.
And, you know, from what I saw, they were able to work with each other. I can't speak to a lot of the other stuff, you know, how well it translated.

But you also have to come at it, too, from the perspective that Nick is who he is now.

That was, what was it, 06, 07?

So that was 14 years ago, right?

We got 14 years of experience in saying, oh, Nick Saban is the best.

Because at that moment, he wasn't the best.

He was just, he was good. Right.
He was a coach who had won a national championship at LSU, gave it a shot in the NFL, and I think he realized that wasn't the best place for him. And he went back to college where he could control every one of those little details, and we've seen what's happened.
I mean, the guy hates losing, and I would just – it's incredible to even imagine that Nick Saban's in the NFL where I think in his best season, what he coached there for two years nine and seven nine and seven in his best season so like at at best you're just barely above 500 I I would imagine that a record like that even would drive Nick Saban insane I wasn't there for that year I was there for the six and ten year. And, yeah, there were some fun conversations that came out of Nick's mouth.
That's for sure. Yeah, I had one last question about Saban.
Obviously, you were only with him for a year, and you can tell me if this is way off, but the one thing I always thought I admired out of Nick Saban, and I think the best coaches do this they don't ever make excuses for like why their team doesn't they always kind of own it themselves the fire alarm's going off so if you hear it in the background sorry about that yeah yeah but um it feels like he doesn't make excuses he owns like you know he's gonna do the work he probably I actually read an article where you said the I loved playing for Nick Saban because he always told me honestly where I stood he told me straight up this is where you need to get better this is what you're not doing right and then if he's honest with his players then he can stand up in front of uh you know the media and say it's on me to get them ready that's exactly how he operates and that's why he has the respect of so many people, you know, that there is, that's not to say that he hasn't pissed some people off along the way. Right.
Because that idea of my way or the highway, um, doesn't, doesn't sit with everybody, but yeah, you're right. He, he expects, I won't say he expects perfection, but, um,.
And he shows accountability. And there are plenty of times when he stood up and I knew I threw a pick and gave him a touchdown at the end of the game, at the end of the first half or whatever it was.
And Nick stands up and says, no, that's on me. I didn't get him prepared well enough.
And I'll tell you you as a player that's playing for him, that means something. Yeah.
That that's a lot different than somebody going up to the microphone and saying, yeah, we need to get a lot better on offense, especially, you know, especially at the quarterback position or the running back position, you know, whatever it is and calling guys out, you know, that's that, that works for some, not for all. But I respected coach respected Coach for the way he was able to stand up and say, you know what, at the end of the day it falls on me.
And it's my time to get them ready. And if they don't play well enough, I need to do a better job.
It's an underrated thing that I think we obviously joke about because it's a cliche. But you can notice the good coaches will say that and then the bad coaches will find a way to almost squirm around it and be like, wow, this is a problem and this is a problem.

It's like you got to just – like you're the coach.

The buck stops with you.

You know why?

Because it's all about – it's CYA, right?

It's cover your ass.

Yeah.

Because there are so few jobs in this football world, right? Whether it's college football or the, you know, the NFL specifically, 32 jobs. You got 32 opportunities to stay there as long as you possibly can.
And that's part of what makes that business difficult and what makes it such a departure from college football, where in that college football locker room, it's your hundred guys and your coaches and that's it. And no one's getting in there in the NFL.
People realize that there's a, there's a seven figure paycheck coming to me if I can stick around for another year. Right.
So if I can push the buck to somebody else, then that gets me a little bit, something more for my family down the road. And that's, that's real.
That's, that's, that's, that. Yeah.
And so after you were in Miami, you alluded to this earlier, but you went up to Atlanta and you were signed there to, to back up Michael Vick and Bobby Petrino had just come in that off season, had a lot of success in college. They wanted him to coach Michael Vick and use his mobility, all that stuff.
And then record scratch, like two months after you get signed, Michael Vick gets arrested for dogfighting. And now you're going to run Bobby Petrino's offense, and you're having to learn all that.
First of all, what was it like the days and weeks before the indictment came down on Michael Vick? Were you guys completely caught off guard, or was there some sense in the organization that you might have to step into a different role i would i think it's fair to say that i was completely caught off guard and let me say this so there's there's a couple different things here first of all with me and mike i came in to be his backup right after getting you know after all the mess in detroit and then you know thinking i'm going to to miami to kind of reset and then saving leaves and everybody gets clean house. I'm going to Atlanta thinking, okay, this is my chance to reset.
No one's as stable as Mike Vick. No one's taking his spot.
You know, I can truly just kind of sit and recover. I didn't want to, I didn't want to, I don't say put my nose in it.
Like I didn't want to get involved, but it started to kind of trickle like a little bit here, a little bit there. And then it starts to build momentum into the point where it's like, you know, I got reporters asking me questions about Mike.
I was like, man, I don't know. I can't answer that.
And so I asked Mike, I was like, look, buddy,

like, I don't want to get in your business, but I want to know how I should handle this for you.

Right. If these questions come to me, because I don't want to say something that, you know, is is is wrong for you.

And there was a feeling of, you know, kind of like, you know, I'm going to be all right.

Like we're going to, it's going to be fine that he, that he shared with me. Now come to find out, it wasn't fine.
And, um, and actually I love, you know, I love Mike's story. Like he, cause he was such a great guy.
And the fact that, you know, I don't want to say it was good that it happened to him, but the way that he responded from it and the type of person he is now and the way he responded in his career. I mean, I got nothing but respect for that guy.
It's amazing what he went through. But, yeah, there was kind of a caught out of left field, you know, moment for was actually at home I was over the I was over in Central Oregon and I had just gone for like a hike up a black black butte is what it's called it's like a little you know kind of mountain over in uh over in Central Oregon I came down and stepped on a rock wrong and rolled my ankle and I'm sitting at home back on the on the couch and I my phone rings and it was our, our quarterback coach, Bill Musgrave.
He says, well, you ready? I was like, ah, man. You know, funny you called.
I'm kind of icing my ankle right now, but I'll be fine. I mean, no big deal.
He said, no. Are you ready? What are you talking about? He said, turn on, turn on ESPN.
So I clicked it on and sure enough, Mike's being taken away in handcuffs. That's not really something that you prepare for like in media training it's like all right the guy that has your job uh he just got arrested for running a dog fighting kennel go yeah you know so that's like you know that it's actually part of the playbook you know it's like all right you wake up you have your coffee you do your weight workout watch some film you know get ready for the you know the guy ahead of you to be arrested and then you go out and you run seven on seven like right you there's no playbook for that and so i show up for camp and it's and it's more than just like being thrust into a job it's pita protesters outside the yeah of the practice facility it's i mean there were uh airplanes with like big signs circling the practice field like you know your new name is the atlanta And I was like, man, what the hell is going on? You're like, I just wanted to be a backup.
I just wanted to get on the job level where I sit behind Michael Vick for six years and then get a nice contract somewhere else. And the best part is Bobby Petrino is the coach who is not ill.
He's ill-equipped for everything. Yeah, he was, he.
He was unprepared to – so unprepared for that situation, but he was unprepared to be an NFL head coach. I mean, that's the thing.
Like, we talked about with Nick and, you know, being straight up with someone and talking to a, you know, man-to-man conversation. We had a team of vets.
I mean, it was Warwick Dunn. It was Algie Crumpler and Wayne Gandy and John Abraham, Lawyer Malloy, Keith Brooks.
I mean, we had a team of vets i mean it was warwick done it was algy crumpler and wayne gandy and john abraham lawyer malloy keith brooks i mean we had vets on that team and after a couple weeks crump and warwick came up to me like look you got to go talk to talk to bobby because we would install like like 1200 plays and then run like six of them in the game and we we we don't know what the hell we're doing. Like, who are we? What kind of team do we want to be? We're practicing all this stuff.
And then we run like this tiny little bit of it. So I went up and I talked to Bobby and I said, hey, look, I'm bringing a message from the team.
You know, this is not, you know, I get it. I understand.
I'm ready to do whatever you want to do, but this is what the team is telling me and you need to know this.

And so he said, all right, cool. Let's, let's pare down the ready list this week.

You know, let's cut this, let's cut this. Great.
I left there thinking, you know,

that was a good meeting. Like this is, this is going to be a positive step.
I showed up for practice the next morning and Hugh Jackson,

who was our OC and Bill Musgrave are sitting on the, in the QB room and they're just like coffeed out and bags under their eyes. And I was like, man, what's going on? Hugh says, did you talk to Bobby last night? I was like, yeah, we had a great talk.
Because immediately after you left, Bobby came down into our office and started screaming at us like, you MFers, why doesn't our quarterback know what's going on? Why can't we do this? Why can't we do that? And not only did he put every single play that we took out in, he added another, you know, 200 plays onto our ready list to go in and play that week. And it's like, to have the audacity to challenge what it is that I'm trying to say and the way that I'm trying to run this team like I'm sorry that's that's not how you operate and then to and then to literally drop I mean I don't think we have enough time for the for the the whole Bobby Petrino story about like how he was talking to um Arthur Blank saying I'm gonna be here the long term and when Arthur went on Monday Night Football and said Bobby looked the eye and said, you got a head coach in me.
After that game, he looked at us in the locker room, said every single one of you needs to look at yourself in the mirror and decide what you can do to help this organization get better. He walked out the door and we never saw him again.
Oh my God. Can I help to do this organization get better? I can leave.
Yeah. And leaving you a note on your locker and say, peace, I'm out out of here and that night he was doing pig stewie yeah the press conference that was that was an alt if you don't know that because we have some younger listeners probably petrino it looked like he was in a bunker they had like they had thrown him away in a bunker to do his press conference with arkansas because it was like it was literally in the middle of the night you know leaving the falcons probably probably his second second most favorite press conference that he had in Arkansas besides one where he's wearing the neck brace.
I have to imagine that when you saw him wearing the neck brace and trying to explain why he was getting into an accident with, I guess, his secretary on the back of his bike or whatever it was. That probably had to be a very funny moment for you.
I never wish ill on anybody. Right.
Right. I'm not going to ever wish bad things to happen to people.
But I can't say that I was surprised. Right.
Yeah. I'm going to leave it like that.
Yes. So when you're talking about the note, I want to get into some specifics of the note that he left you.
Was it just note was it on like a sheet of paper was it on atlanta falcons stationary or was it like on a napkin what kind of note are we talking about yeah i can find this thing i could i i got it steve weish was the atlanta journal constitution he sent me about it'll take too long it was like four sentences. It was like, I'm sorry, this is

working out this way. And, um, you know, this is the best decision for me and my family.
Um, I'm sure you can understand that. Thanks.
Yeah, exactly. And it was literally left on the stool.
Each one of us had it left on the stool of our locker. Oh, we made copies.
Wow. Oh, yeah, just copied.
Class act. But the best part, though, is so we're downstairs, and this was the day after a Monday game, right? So we had a short week.
Coaches had been in there, you know, since like five in the morning the following day after the game, right? So this would be a Monday night game. So Tuesday morning, all the offensive coaches are just grinding five, six in the morning up there.
We as players come in probably like eight or nine o'clock. And so it doesn't quite like there's this disconnect, like they're upstairs working, not knowing what's going on as we come trickling into the locker room and start to figure it out so Bobby ends up coming back and this is all told to us through you know Arthur and Rich McKay the following day in our team meeting Bobby came back in and um and essentially came in and quit like to you know like that afternoon to Rich and he just walking out and Rich was like, dude, I don't care what you say to me, but you got an entire coaching staff down there that has been working for you all day and you better go talk to them.
And so he said, he like, let them down the, down the hall, like a child. Bobby walked into the off into the offensive room and said, thank you for your effort.
I wish things were different.

I'm going to Arkansas.

And he left.

And hopped on the jet and pig suey.

You're like the Forrest Gump of bad NFL moments between that and Mike Vick

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So this this might be a little bit of a tough question i'm sure you have an answer or something you thought about it but is there a sliding doors moment is there one moment that you go back and you're like man if that one had been different if i drafted differently if i'd maybe come out a year earlier if i had if nick saban had stayed in the nfl like is there moment that you think of like, that could have changed some things? I actually had that moment a couple weeks ago, actually. So there were five teams that wanted a quarterback that year because I wasn't coming out earlier.
I mean, year was was fine but I was I had no intention I mean I was a college guy like I loved it was awesome so I'm staying there were five teams that wanted a quarterback Houston Buffalo Detroit Washington now six Washington Cincinnati and Kansas. And Kansas City was kind of late into the game.
And so I didn't want to, you know, Houston, I say five, because Houston took David Carr, like they're out of play. I didn't want to go to Cincinnati or Buffalo.
I wouldn't have minded going to Washington. I wanted to go to Kansas City.
And Detroit was just kind of in the middle. Because you have to remember, Detroit was only two years removed from Barry Sanders.
He only retired a couple years ago. So I missed Barry Sanders by two years.
I missed Ricky Williams by one year. So it wasn't a horrible place to go at the time.
But the Kansas City coaching staff, that was Dick Vermeule. That was Terry Shea.
That was, oh, God, there was another guy, too, that had a lot of actual connection back to my dad. Right.
So my dad played at Oregon. He was the starting quarterback for the very first game at Autzen Stadium.
So he was the starting quarterback for the first game at Autzen, I was the starting quarterback for the last game before they did the remodel. Funny, he never told me that.
I had to learn it from a reporter, you know, as it was happening. But so he has a connection to all those because that Oregon coaching staff, I mean, that was John Robinson, John Madden, Terry Shea, John Marshall.
I mean, guys that were John, did I say John Robinson? Yeah. Guys who had, Coach Fry, like in connections to college football and the NFL.
But there was a connection there with Terry Shea that felt comfortable, right? That was the place where I wanted to be. That was a place where I felt like we had a connection.
Like there was that I was going to play for them and they were going to take care of me. And had come to find out, had I fallen past Detroit, then they were going to take me.
And, you know, may or may not have been true, may or may not have happened. But that kind of moment the other day where someone was telling me about, you know, reminded me about that.
I was like, yeah, if I had gone to Kansas City, if Matt, because Matt Millen and Marty Mornenweg, who are the Detroit coach at the time, were not on the same page. Right.
Marty didn't want me. You know, Mariucci didn't want me because I wasn't a West Coast guy.
Right. I wasn't I wasn't wasn't mobile i wasn't ball out of my hands but matt millen loved me and so he picked and and that was he and i joke still and he'll look at me you know my name is my legal name is john joseph it's not you know i just go by joey and he always called me john joseph he was like john joseph man i ruined your career i was like well matt you know you a little bit kind of but no i kind of ruined my career too so we can both kind of own it together but if matt had not done that if matt if you hadn't picked me i could have been chief yeah until pat patrick mahomes took over i've always heard that about matt millen like he got a lot of shit back in the 2000s for for some of those drafts and probably deservedly so but But I've never heard anybody about Matt Millen.
Like he got a lot of shit back in the 2000s for some of those drafts

and probably deservedly so.

But I've never heard anybody say a bad word about Matt Millen, the person.

They all love him.

He's amazing.

Would he used to wear like overalls around the team facility?

Oh, yeah.

Because he's – I mean the guy had a farm and still essentially lives on a big

acreage out in rural Pennsylvania. Like he's, he's just a good person.
Like he's not, he's no mess. There's no fuss.
There's no Louis Vuitton luggage. Like, dude, I'm going to show up.
I'm going to do my job. And I want people who are going to show up and do the same thing.
And same way with Saban, same way with like any of those coaches, you can respect that did he make mistakes hell yeah he made mistakes um but he did it he did it with the right intention you know with the right intentions of mine he was trying to do the right thing right but he screwed up and that happens sometimes and he owns it and you can respect that all right now dumb question sliding doors question do you think uh the fact that you went by joey as a professional as a grown man hurt you at all because i do think that matters like joe harry john harrington might have had a long career wasn't there a joe joey browner had a decent decent uh career with the uh with the vikings So I'm trying to think right think right now. No one goes by Maddie.
Joseph Burrow? Yeah, it's like Joey Burrow I don't think has a good career. Joe Harrington.
This is nitpicking. Joe Harrington sounds like a vice president of an insurance company.
Yeah, we're picking apart your career. We're trying to find where things went wrong.
Okay, so what you're essentially saying is it is my parents' fault. No, no, no.
So that's where we're going here? No, no. Joey Harrington is a great college football name.
I think when you get drafted, you drop the Y and you go as Joe Harrington. Fair, fair.
You know what's funny? Matt told me the same thing. Really? All right, so Matt Mill and I, both very incredible football minds.
It wasn't Joey Montana. It wasn't Joey Named.
It's Joe. Yes.
I was like, man, but that's me. Like, that's fine.
I can't change me, and that was the thing. That's so funny that he said that because it's like – It's's a very it's an admittedly a very dumb thing for me to be hung up on but it's like i just always like yeah i don't know if his name was joey might might have been awesome i don't know yeah you know and i think that's maybe yeah we'll we'll leave it there we'll leave it there i i hear your point i hear your point you know it wasn't joey namath it wasn't joey montana right you know i i'll go with that or maybe jj yeah jj harrington that you could make a switch to running back at that point yeah that's a good running back you get faster when your name is jj harrington yes absolutely well and maybe that was the problem is i wasn't fast enough because my name was joey had i become J.J.
Harrington, then I would have been able to avoid that free rusher off the backside and throw an 18-yard comeback with a guy on my face, right? That extra letter weighing you down on your back. Yes.
Yes. It seeps in.
All about ounces, just getting rid of the ounces that keep you slowing you down. I've got an Oregon question for you.
And you are, like, obviously an Oregon legend. I imagine that you still go back on campus and you're still big man on

campus.

Just for what you did to that program.

But why didn't Robo duck,

the mascot ever catch on?

Cause I love Robo duck,

especially when they show the birth of Robo duck,

when he's like jumping out of the egg,

wearing the unitard.

And he's got like,

he looks like Batman, but he's a duck. And then you got Puddles standing next to him like, what the hell is this thing? Okay, okay.
So hold on, hold on. We'll get into the whole duck genealogy here, right? First of all, Puddles is not the duck that is there right now, okay? That is just the duck.
Okay. Or duck for short, right? If you don't want him to be, you know, Joey, you can, you can, or the duck.
Got it. Right.
So puddles was like an actual, um, waterfowl, like a duck, like a mallard that they'd bring from the mill race, which is like the, you know, like the little slew running by the, by the stadium down on the campus. And they put it on a leash and they would bring it into the game.
And there was like this little thing quacking along and that was puddles and so then they went through like this whole disney mashup where it was kind of donald but you know they had the donald duck coming through the o but then some of the coaches wanted to be like an angry donald and then there was like the fighting ducks and it's like what the hell are we doing here and then there was the the lawsuit with disney and you know they settled on this the duck right so this duck is amazing right he is hilarious then they tried to like hatch this new identity like they like you said they brought him out of like this smoking egg and at midfield and you know he had muscles bursting out of his leotard and when you're used to when you're used to the duck and the duck's antics and the ducks because that's what's the best part of of the duck is i mean the guy's just a fool right whoever's in that suit is just is they're hilarious they're the you know you watch the mortgage commercials and the duck's always the best one in there you know it's not like sparty or somebody who's like you know takes himself too seriously and so we as a oregon community said well we already got facilities we already got uniforms we don't need like a flashy new you know new mascot like thank you but no thank you and it was. And it was like one of those moments where they didn't do the, what's the, you put everybody in a room.
Focus group. Focus group, yep.
They obviously did not do a focus group on the new duck because 99% of all Oregon fans hated that thing. It's so funny to watch.
The funniest thing, though, is I don't know if it's the actual, if it's actual RoboDuck, but it is the Twitter thing. Might be the funniest Twitter Twitter account on out there is RoboDuck because he's got like some crazy just outlandish takes.
So, you know, things work out. Yeah.
All right. So, Joey, this has been awesome.
I have one last question. We appreciate your time.
It's it's been a lot of fun so speaking of all your experience in the nfl and everything that happened i assume you watch the nfl nowadays and you see what's going on who's the guy you look at right now whether it be rookie or maybe it's the second year where i'm like give that guy more time give more time don't don't make a decision on him i see what's going on it's similar to my situation where you can't throw him out right away because not things maybe haven't broken his way give me some options there's zach wilson zach wilson to uh trevor lawrence obviously he's had a tough year i think two is i think two is a probably a good example of. I would have said at the beginning of the season, if you talked to me week two, I would have said Sam Darnold, right? I would have said that's the guy who is in a tough situation in New York and ended up in Carolina and started to have some success.
But I like the idea of Tua, right? Because how are you going to seriously have public discussions about trading for Deshaun Watson when you've just spent your first round pick on Tua? Right. There's the whole tank for Tua campaign.
Like you wanted this guy and now you give him you give him one season. I think that he is that's a great example.
He's had some success. It It started to play better lately, but that's the perfect, the perfect example right there.
I think that, and we'll see how it plays out, but all those discussions when they were talking about trading for Deshaun Watson, I was sitting there thinking like, that is the dumbest thing you could do. You are undercutting the confidence of that kid.
You are completely undercutting what you're trying to build and not only are you going to not end up with the sean watson but now you're going to end up with the tua who who who potentially may undercut himself right because that's all that's all the nfl is about is confidence yeah and i've told this story a hundred times it goes back to what um you, what we were talking about. Every quarterback on the roster can make every throw.
But the difference is being confident in yourself and knowing when to throw it. So my rookie year, we were playing the Raiders, and it was Rod Woodson that already left.
He wasn't a corner anymore. He was at the end of his career and moved to safety.
And I look back, I knew the coverage. I had a dig coming in in front of him.
I was going to clear it out with the seam route, looked him off band, came back and threw it. Steps in front and he picks it off.
I was like, what the hell? And so I went up and talked to him afterwards. I said, tell me what it is.
What did I do? Did I tip it off with my eyes? Did my receiver cut his route short? You know, should he have cleared on your outside shoulder instead? And he looked at me as like, no, hell no. I've seen that route every day in practice for 14 years and I'll be damned if a rookie is going to beat me on it.
Right. And so the knowledge on the other side of the of the of the ball, the anticipation, it's not the.
It's not the physical speed of the guys when they talk about the speed of the

game, it's their reaction times.

It's seeing it every day for 14 years and saying, I know what's coming.

I'm going to step here.

So if you're a young quarterback and you for,

and you step back and you throw that ball, right? Maybe one time,

the first time it gets knocked down,

maybe the second time it gets picked off because you come back and it's like, you hesitate for just that second. And that gives that DB, that Rod Woodson, an extra second to step in front.
Now, if you've completely lost your confidence and you come back and it's like, I don't know if I should throw this, maybe I should. Now you throw it and he picks it and he takes it back for six, right? Hesitation, lack of confidence, doubt is the killer of all young quarterbacks.
That's all it is. It's not skill.
It's do I believe in myself enough to go out and cut it loose? And even if it gets picked off, to come back and cut it loose again. Yeah.
Right? That goes back to all the things you were talking about, like how well do you work with your coach? How well do you feel supported? What kind of, what kind of talent do you have around you? But if you as a quarterback know that, Hey, my organization is trying to trade for Deshaun Watson. Yeah.
Oh, and I'm going to go out and I think, man, I, I can't throw an interception today. The moment you doubt that, the moment you hesitate is the moment you throw that pick,

which sends you down that spiral anyway.

So I think that's a great example is they need to make sure they're supportive to it

because he's shown that he can do it if he has, you know, he's shown flashes,

but he's also shown the other side too, right?

Make sure you support that guy and he could be a hell of a football player. Okay, to two and on you're a part of uh the group select few appreciate to an on yeah yeah it's part of we're part we're part of two and on being crimson we're two and on believers i was a non-believer and i've been reformed to be a believer so uh you are now part of it so so i hear like there are what should i know about this show now? There's two and on.
I saw you were doing, like, dude, like, toilet paper or something. Oh, jeez.
Dude wipes. Dude wipes or something.
I'm like, what am I getting myself into? There are a lot of things. It's probably best that you just enjoy the show at a surface level because once you get too deep, like, where we go to, we go all.
The best way to describe our show is that we are not very smart,

but we are smart enough to know that we're not very smart.

So whatever that.

Smart, right?

Yeah, in a weird backwards way, maybe.

But it's like a meatball fan's thoughts deep down

covered up with a little bit of self-awareness that we are meatball fans so we can make fun of ourselves. Fair.
Yeah like we like you like having you on is great because we can talk about it you know if Joey Harrington's career played out right now we would just be like every every Sunday like Joey Harrington bust drop the Y bro that would that's pretty much what would happen. Oh, actually, that reminds me.
We do need to discuss whether or not you were a jeans model because I have it in the back of my head. That's how the school thing started.
Yeah. That's how the school thing started.
Okay, so I was thinking about that. I think where you may have gotten that is I do remember at one time like doing an interview and saying that I, um, like there was like an offer from Levi's or something, my rookie year to do like, you know, to be a Levi's, uh, spokesperson or whatever.
And I turned it down because that was like, you know, I kind of want to just like establish myself as a player first, before we start getting into like all the endorsement stuff, looking back, I grabbed it because you know the next couple years sucked and it's like you know dang i wish i would have had some free jeans but um that's probably where it came from that's that's the only thing i could think of that must be it i must have just seen that interview and then my brain filled in the gaps and i was like well what what would it look like if joey harrington was a jeans model probably well said, I do wear jeans. Like, you know, I've worn a pair or two in my life.
So maybe that's, you know, maybe that's it too. It's possible I have seen you wearing a pair of jeans before.
We should send him some Muggsy jeans. You're a good looking guy.
I can say that. We spent an hour together now.
You're a good looking guy. You should have a Muggsy sponsorship.
Yeah, you should. You're a good looking guy.
Are you still interested in a jeans sponsorship? Sure, why not? Okay, we'll talk to'll talk to our jeans for me and i'll take three right i'm actually a jeans guy so like i we are sponsored by jeans we go i got jeans on right now okay look he wears them all the time don't you wish they were a little more comfortable just like us there you go um all right well joey this has been awesome. Appreciate it so much, man.

If you're ever in New York, love to have you come stop by in person.

So although I feel like people who live out on the Pacific Northwest,

they just enjoy life and not have to deal with the bullshit that is like New York City.

You know, yes.

Yeah, that's all you have to say.

Yes.

But what I will say is I love New York. I love going to New York.
Like, there's just nothing like it. There's nothing like, you know, we would do the college football.
When I was still calling games, we would do the college football awards stuff at the end of the year in New York. And I'll go out there.
I wouldn't have anything to do until, you know, the dinners at nighttime. And I would just spend all day.
a i go down to central park you know i'd get a paper at times and get a cup of coffee and i just start walking and then you just walk all the way up you know madison then you walk down to like times square and just like just people watching because it's crazy yeah guy jerking off guy shitting you know somewhere yeah no it's great yeah you know steve buscemi coming down the hill and like in like a shopping cart with like a helmet on yeah uh-huh yeah it's great times great times yeah yeah all right well thanks so much man really appreciate it yeah you bet guys anytime yeah it's good to meet you man take care all right that was joey harrington before we get into guys on chicks shadyady Rays is back. They never really left.
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Guys on chicks.

Hank.

Dank.

Clap it up for Hank.

Yeah.

Our guy.

He got in here today.

He's just working hard.

Nah, I've never worked a day in my life.

Yeah.

Grumpy cat.

What?

You're the grumpy cat.

Remember the grumpy cat?

You're being grumpy cat.

Oh, I'm a mad catter.

RIP grumpy cat. RIP grumpy cat.
Gave great head, though. Mm-hmm.
Hi, dudes. Do I need to do anything? There's a guy who didn't come on his cat.
Didn't come on his cat. Yeah.
Okay. Shane Dawson.
Yeah, that's right. All right, sorry.
Do I need to do anything about the tire pressure light in my car, or can I ignore that until spring? Nah. like unless there's a fire in your car you can still probably drive it i just should always reset i'd hit the reset button and then if it doesn't come on for at least a couple days you're good i used to just say it's just a fuse probably just a blown fuse no actually honestly if it's a tire issue just drive to any gas station and walk in and be like, hey, I think my car is broken.
And then the simp that works behind the counter will come out and he'll just fill your tire up with air. It's very easy.
Yeah. It's pretty dis...
It was, but that's okay. Hi, guys.
I was wondering... Simp.
I'm being nice. Hi, guys.
I was wondering if you guys had any input as far as what I should do with my boyfriend. So for his birthday, I got him a Nintendo Switch.
Easy to say it was the worst decision of my life. He won't stop playing to the fullest extent.
Like when I say he won't stop playing, he will not stop, all caps. He brought a traveling case and brings it, all caps, everywhere with him.
Oh, love this. Out to eat with friends? Switch comes too.
San Jose Sharks game? Switch comes too. What? Dinner at what I thought to be his future in-laws? Switch.
Christ, even late at night when trying to get intimate? Hold on, babe. I just need to win this Grand Prix real quick.
It's getting so bad to the point where I don't know if I should break the Switch or just leave him. Any thoughts? Wait.
I'm embarrassed and really frustrated that it's consuming his life. Is the Switch handheld? Yeah.
I want one. They're great.
Fuck. This guy actually sounds cool in the way that he is doing the most disrespectful things and the lamest things that he knows.
There are social rules set up against bringing your video games out to dinner with your in-laws. There's a normal- It's his parents though? There are normal rules like don't bring your phone or your gaming system to a live sports game that you're watching.
But he just doesn't care at all. He's got the itch.
I was going to say, I don't know what phase they're in right now, like how long it's been that he's had the switch. Speaking from my own experience, if you just let me play my video games for like three weeks straight, I'll tire out and I'll find something else.
I think most people are very much like that. We're like a new game or a new system.
It's balls to the wall for three weeks, maybe a month. And then you kind of wake up.
You're like, oh, shit, I should probably do other things in life. It would be pretty awesome if he was bringing a hockey game to the hockey game though well that would be cool that would be sick yeah that'd be very cool that's like when i was a little kid and i thought that my game boy controlled uh that's why they made you turn it off when you were landing because i could control the plane with my game boy no that's very stupid very stupid that was when i was.
I'm just kidding. My boyfriend's brother used to be cool, and we would all hang out together often.
He got a girlfriend that ruined everything fun about him from his willingness to go out to his diet and even his sense of humor. Is it possible for him to return to normal without trying to break my boyfriend's brother and new girlfriend up? It sounds like this girl really likes her boyfriend's brother.
That's what this sounds... You're mad.
You mad, Cameron meme, that your boyfriend's brother has a girlfriend because you used to get all that time to yourself. Yeah.
Yes, sounds like Kitty... Kitty Kelly, yeah.
Kitty Kelly, yeah. Oh, he's dating this new slut that just gives him head all the time.
What are you going to say, Billy? Buy your boyfriend's brother switch also a good idea boom call yes no you can't do anything there's nothing you can do about it you sound selfish too because you have your boyfriend and then you also want the boyfriend brother too yeah come on she likes this guy yeah for sure all right we'll end with this one fellas, my boyfriend and I have been together for four years.

One presidency.

My best friend just got engaged, and of course-

Well, wait.

No, it's got to be two presidencies.

Well, I added that.

That was a little-

Okay, but you didn't do the math right.

But you know what?

I'm being positive.

Four years equals one presidency.

Right, but it's been-

How long is a president's term?

But it's been two presidencies.

You count by the-

It's been two presidencies. How long is one president- But it's been two presidencies.
How long has one presidential term? Four years. But it's been two presidencies.
Okay. My best friend...
Actually, you're right, Big Cat. My best friend just got engaged, and of course, her wedding is on the same day as my boyfriend's sister's wedding.
My boyfriend said he wants me to come to his sister's wedding, but I don't want to regret not going to my best friend's wedding. Which wedding should I go to? You got to go to your best friend's wedding.
What is this? Wait, best friend? So it's, all right. So this chick, her best friend got engaged getting married.
Her boyfriend's sister is also getting married. Same date.
They've been dating four years. One presidency.
One presidency. Or two.
I think you have, if it's truly your best friend, now it can't be, because girls like to say everyone's their best friend. They have a lot of best friends.
I'm just going to shoot that straight. I think you have to go to your best friend's wedding.
I think it all comes down to which invitation you got first. But if you're in the best friend's wedding have to go to that If you're in That's actually If you are in the best friend's wedding She's not the best friend if she's not in the wedding And if she's in it She's gotta go But think about If you think you're gonna marry this kid Photoshop you in Yeah Seeing all these pictures and stuff for the rest of your life Every dinner Like every time they talk about the wedding It's gonna be like Oh you weren't there But it's your best friend if it is your best friend yeah it sounds to me like in the wedding i think big cat was sniffing out a rat on this one because it doesn't you would be in the wedding you would be a bridesmaid right because girls they'll have like they don't give a shit they'll have 16 bridesmaids and be like oh yeah my husband's a loser he only has two but i'm still going with my you know like two dozen that i've got that i haven't seen since college so i think that if you were actually a best friend you would have made that cut and you would be in the wedding right there is no what if there is no wedding parties no wedding parties then it sounds like it's a broke wedding go go to the other one yeah no probably a cash bar pay for your beer yeah you could also go to one rehearsal dinner and then go to the other wedding but i think you gotta go i think that I think that's worse.
If you're in the wedding, if you're in the wedding, you have to go to... What if you're not in the wedding? There's no wedding parties.
There's no wedding party. So it's like an intimate guest list.
Well, then that's even more. That's more procedure.
If it's like under 20 people at the wedding and no wedding party, then yeah, that probably is your best friend. Actually, now that I'm thinking about this whole thing, this is your perfect time to basically hold your boyfriend hostage and be like, I would love to go, but who knows if we're going to be together forever.
Hint, hint. Get that ring.
You could basically, you have all the leverage. Because if he really wants you to go, you've got to be like, well, I don't know, what if we break up in a year? Or you can see how much he cares about you.
You can do the real passive-aggressive thing and tell him that you're going to go you got to be like well i don't know like what if we break up in a year or you can see how much he cares about you can do the real passive aggressive thing and tell him that you're going to go to his sister's wedding and then always be like scrolling instagram with pictures of you and your best friend yes and be like um so sad i'm not going to be able to be there for sir's wedding and then see if he'll be like you know what babe it sounds like this wedding means a lot to you you can go yeah if you know that he'll do that then you're gonna want to stick around with him also check the uh invite because let's just call a spade a spade guys we're we're uh you know boosting up the patriarch here what if the best what if your boyfriend's sister is actually getting married to your best friend that could happen lesbians the woman was a doctor the whole time right like wow we've we fucked that actually that's actually this question she's doing this to fuck with us she thought we wouldn't get to this point where we're like two women can get married nice try we sniffed it out go to both the weddings at the same time with your boyfriend's sister love is love no your bet your best friend is marrying your boyfriend's sister. Love is love.
That was all a plan to make us look like misogynistic assholes, and we totally got it. There's going to be...
That's a hot wedding now. What about this, though? What if the girl's best friend is a guy? Oh! Could also be.
And then they could be getting married too. And what if the boyfriend's sister is, we don't know.
She's transitioning. It could be anything.
The girl's best friend is a guy who's marrying the boyfriend's sister, but the sister is really pissed off at the brother because the other brother's

new girlfriend sucks.

And that's you.

Yeah.

So don't go to any wedding.

Yep.

It sounds like you're just not wanted around.

We gave you all the,

uh,

permutations on this one that we nailed that.

We crushed that.

Um,

all right.

Numbers,

numbers,

numbers.

Yeah.

I just had a quick recap.

Yeah.

Oh,

do it. Kyler Murray's always remind me of something something Everyone's like, he's small, it's weird His helmet's really big Just realized, Madden 09 had an All play 5 on 5 mode Where all the players had huge heads That's Kyler Murray On the Wii That's where it was It was in my brain somewhere Where the hell are the big headed football players from That's where it was.
It was like in my brain somewhere. It looks like a me character.
Yeah. Where are the big headed football players from? That's where it's from.
All right. Sick, Billy.
That was your recap? Kind of. Billy's recap was just another point.
Just remembering one thing. I like it, Billy.
Thank you. Numbers, what do you got, Jake? 16.
18. 18.
Again, you're going right back? Yep. But this is now getting to a point.
So you've won it three times.

But people are asking, can you win it with a different number?

You're a system player.

That's what people are asking.

People are asking.

I'm not asking, but people are asking, can Jake win the lottery with a different number?

Can you take another number across the finish line?

Well, Jake, also, you pick 18 because it's like a Jewish good luck number, right?

That too, yeah. But can you win it with another number? Maybe.
And didn't MJ win six with one team? I guess we'll know. Yeah, but I'm talking about like this is more like coaching, right? Like you, I mean, that's.
He did, but then he went to the Wizards and got exposed as being a fraud. No NFL coach.
No NFL coach has ever won a Super Bowl with two different franchises. Okay, fine.
Could you be the first? Well, actually, no, you wouldn't be the first because I've done this.

44.

You've done it, right?

All right, 81.

44.

44 for Obama?

Of course.

Go, Hank, Liam.

88, 6.

88, 12.

For Hank, 81 for Tom Brady.

I love Tom Brady and all his success.

Please be 18.

Please be 18.

70.

God, that would have been so funny if it was 18. That would have been so funny.
Second time. Damn it.
Second time for 70? The machine rejected that, though. Second time for 70.
Cody or South American raccoons. Love you guys.
Cody? Is this a joke? Is this an inside joke that one person's gonna get no what is it

shout out Codys

Codys

C-O-A-T-I

Codys

yeah

are South American raccoons

yeah

why are you saying it all weird

I just thought of them

and I just talked about them

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alright

just google them

see exactly what I'm saying

I love you guys. Talking away I don't know what I'm to say

I'll say it anyway

Today's another day

To find you shying away

I'll be coming for your love

Oh, can you take on me Needless to say I'm all descended But I'm east of a little way Learning life is okay, stay up to me.

A little better to be safe than sorry, take on me. All the things that can stay

All the things that you say Oh, things that you say Oh, things that you say Oh, things that you say Yeah, is it life just to play memories away You're all the things I've got to remember He's shying away I'll be coming for you anyway Take on me I'll be coming for you anyway

Take on me

Take on me