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Speaker 3 On today's part in my take, we have a twofer for the people. We have Dick Vermeal, all-time football guy.

Speaker 3 Great football discussion with coach Dick Vermeal, Super Bowl champion Dick Vermeal, future Hall of Famer Dick Vermeal.

Speaker 3 He's seen and been around more football than any of us could ever dream of. Great interview with him.

Speaker 3 And then we have Mike Florio, our good friend Mike Florio, to talk about the Tom Brady 600th touchdown ball and Deshaun Watson possibly getting treated very, very, very, very soon.

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Today is Wednesday, October 27th,

Speaker 3 and I want to do a mental flush, boys. I want to do a mental flush, boys and girls, of week seven.
Get it out of our system. Boy, did that stink.
Monday Night Football.

Speaker 3 I'm actually happy that Monday night football was as bad as it was because I didn't want them to be like, oh, week seven wasn't that bad.

Speaker 3 You had the Dolphins and Falcons in this great Monday night football game. No, it sucked.
We're moving on. That's the way it was.

Speaker 3 Geno Smith versus Jameis Winston and Geno Smith with almost the greatest Josh Rosen stat line of all time, where if he hadn't thrown the 84-yard touchdown to DK Metcalf, he would have been 11 for 21 for like 60 yards.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think Marshawn Lynch put it best when he just said, what the fuck? Yeah. That's how I felt watching the entire game.

Speaker 3 And at the beginning, when they had that 84-yard touchdown pass to DK, I was like, maybe the weather does affect the defense more than it affects the offense. Maybe we'll get some points.

Speaker 3 Turns out that was foolish for me to ever have believed that. Correct.
So it was a boring-ass game filled with shitty stuff that sucked. And on top of everything, Eli Manning had to apologize.

Speaker 3 for or no it was payton had to apologize for marshawn lynch cussing on the broadcast that was the best part of the night. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You don't, if you invite Marshawn Lynch onto a broadcast, you're lucky if you get away with him just dropping shit three times and fuck once. He was three hennies deep.

Speaker 3 That he's three hennies deep, and that's what you get. When you invite Pat McAfee on, do you expect that he's going to wear sleeves? Nope.
Nope, not at all.

Speaker 3 When you invite Rob Gronkowski on, are you like, hopefully Rob won't tell any whimsical stories? Nope. Nope.
Don't say that. Nope.
This is what you get when you invite Beast Mode on the show.

Speaker 3 In fact, I would just like to watch Beast Mode be disappointed at shitty games for the rest of the season, just watch and be like, what the fuck are they doing out there?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you mentioned weather, which has been a big topic on this show recently. We're a weather-first podcast.

Speaker 3 I did notice in the pregame, our good friend Will Brinson, who is not really my good friend anymore because he keeps getting me to bet on NC State, and they suck as a program.

Speaker 3 He noted that both Jameis and Geno told Lisa Salters before the game they like the challenge of throwing in the rain and won't wear gloves tonight. And Geno Smith even said he prefers a wet ball.

Speaker 3 Jameis Winston's 0 for 5 lifetime, 6 touchdowns, 12 interceptions in rain games. Geno, 0 for 1, 0 touchdowns, 3 interceptions.
They still like throwing. They like

Speaker 3 to stink at it, but the confidence was incredible for both of these guys. And they both, well, Jameis was okay.

Speaker 3 Geno was...

Speaker 3 But you don't have to be good at something to really enjoy it. In fact,

Speaker 3 most people who golf or fuck are terrible at both, and they still really enjoy the recreation. The Geno Smith, that was,

Speaker 3 that was actually, it was illuminating for me because it was similar to like basically what everyone does when they watch the Bears or the Wisconsin Badgers play offense where it's like, oh,

Speaker 3 they don't want the quarterback to do any type of throwing. Like there was that one drive where they ran it eight times in a row.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then even in the last drive, I think that might have been the worst final drive of all time. They went backwards.
He almost got sacked for the point spread. It was so bad.

Speaker 3 I bet that there would be a safety in that game. And And I almost got it on the last play after it was like fourth and 28.
Hank inspired me because he was taking a lot of safety bets on Sunday.

Speaker 3 So I took this one and I was like, surely they're not going to keep taking sacks on this drive. I wish they did.
Yeah, I wish they had given Geno 10 downs because

Speaker 3 he would have been out of the stadium. They would have sacked him out of the stadium.

Speaker 3 We would have erased Dan Orlofsky's name from the record books based on how deep Geno Smith would have gotten on that last play. Like, you got to throw the ball.

Speaker 3 And the Saints really weren't doing that much more passing. Well, Alvin Kamara is incredible.
He was basically the only guy on the field. You're like, that guy plays football.

Speaker 3 The trap play that they called for him on like third and I forget what it was, like third and 10, something like that, on that last drive where they ended up kicking the field goal, they called a running play, and he ended up getting like 12 yards or two yards past the first down marker.

Speaker 3 It showed you that Sean Payton really didn't want to try passing the ball much either.

Speaker 3 And Kevin White was electric. He was.
Kevin White has.

Speaker 3 He is terrible.

Speaker 3 He dropped our beautiful boy Jameis's deep ball. He was on a fucking dime.
He's got two things that are working against him. Otherwise, he's an elite receiver.

Speaker 3 Catching the football and staying on the field. Take those out.
He's one of the best receivers of all time. He's the Ben Simmons of wide receivers.
Those are important, I'll admit.

Speaker 3 A hand up, I'll say, like, you know what? Catching the football if you're a wide receiver, important. But he does, the reason why Jameis was throwing it to him is because the guy can get open.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Jameis has added a couple new moves to his repertoire. I don't know if you've noticed this about our beautiful,

Speaker 3 like, what would you call Jameis? He's we've we have a lot invested. We have a lot invested in Jameis' success, but he's added a couple new moves.

Speaker 3 One is where he drops back in the pocket, has a very clean pocket, and then he just points downfield when he's about to throw it.

Speaker 3 He looks like he's doing the Saturday Night Fever Dance, the John Travolta. He just points, and you know that something's about to go either very, very right or extremely wrong after that moment.

Speaker 3 And then he just guns it. That's always right before he throws like a nice downfield pass.
And then his running motion has has gotten more erratic in the last year.

Speaker 3 I think it might be a result of the training. All of his muscles are firing too efficiently.
Maybe he's almost like the bones, no bones dog. Sometimes he's running and he has no bones.

Speaker 3 I was saying that he's like when you see a NASCAR driver get engulfed by the invisible flames when they're sprinting around. Ricky Bobby.
That's kind of what he looked like. The ethanol fire

Speaker 3 is kind of Jameis' body movement when he goes. But he did have...
Maybe the play of the night when he dropped the snap, picked it up again, then threw his tiny little hand.

Speaker 3 It was tiny little little hand, threw Kamara open. It was adorable.
Yep. It was, yeah, it was a bad game.
It was a bad game. Pete Carroll chomping on gum.
But I really am happy because

Speaker 3 week seven was not fun, but it is still football. We've got to remind ourselves it's still football.
Week seven was one of the worst weeks, start to finish.

Speaker 3 Because, like, remember, like, we kind of forget that the Browns and the Broncos played that game that was not fun either on Thursday. Ugly.
It was an entire week of Browns, Broncos.

Speaker 3 I feel like I watched that game 20 times just with different colors. Yeah, the Falcons and the Dolphins played the best game.
So that tells you everything.

Speaker 3 I think they were calling it Buy Mageddon, which makes sense because all the good teams were on by. Next week or this week, week eight, we have some actually.

Speaker 3 Here's the thing about week eight. At bare minimum, we have the Cowboys and the Vikings playing Sunday night football.
That's going to be some fuck shit. It will be some fuck shit.

Speaker 3 And also, week eight is not the halfway part. Correct.
We have an extra week this year. Yes.
The season is still young. Yes, it is.
All right. Should we talk a little about World Series?

Speaker 3 So, this is probably the only show we will do where we're not going to recap a World Series game because we'll be here late on Sunday. And then, if there's a game six, we'll be here late.

Speaker 3 So, why don't we just do predictions so that way people can laugh at us and be perverted and be like, you guys are really stupid and you don't know anything about baseball?

Speaker 3 Shout out that one Astros fan. Let me read that.
Let me do a quick Wednesday reading. Yeah, I like that one.

Speaker 3 This was an Astros fan. So, at stake, this is just a guy that has like a million replies.
Yeah, let's just put it out there, though.

Speaker 3 At stake is the Astros and their fan base being able to basically tell everyone that it wasn't cheating that got them the World Series. They're just a really good team.

Speaker 3 They basically, they win two World Series if they win this World Series. Here's what's going to happen: Astros fans will very quickly become New England Patriots fans.

Speaker 3 Not like rooting for the same team, but it's the same mentality, right? Like,

Speaker 3 once you prove that it wasn't the accusations, I'm just saying this is what's going to happen. It's going to prove to them that, like, fuck all the haters.
It's us against the world.

Speaker 3 They actually cheated. Yeah, but they.
We'll get to that. Yeah, but they are able to.
What I'm saying, though, is that if they win this one, they win too.

Speaker 3 Because everyone's kind of put an asterisk around the first one. If they win this one, they can say, well, we were the best team on the first one as well.
They still lost to the Nationals.

Speaker 3 So this was the

Speaker 3 2021 MLB Champs. At 2021 MLB Champs, he said, y'all might want to sit out the World Series.
Y'all are a football podcast.

Speaker 3 Y'all don't have a clue what y'all are talking about when it comes to the current game of baseball. Astro's fixing to dominate the Braves and prove we're just an actual good team.
So

Speaker 3 that's what they're fighting against. And then.
We just got y'all to death. We got y'all to death.
Because the guy, when he's writing this, he's like, these guys are based out of New York City.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 3 he's like,

Speaker 3 I'm going to drop four y'alls on them. What was that old commercial? New York City.
Yeah, city. Taste thick and chunky salsa.
Yeah. From San Antonio.
Yeah. Folks who know what salsa should taste like.

Speaker 3 On the other side, we have the Braves, a tortured city, sports city, trying to beat all curses and everything alike. I am very much rooting for the Braves.

Speaker 3 Braves fans are mad because I said Braves in six, and they're like, you jinxed it. Well, guess what? I mean, like I said, you guys are already jinxed to begin with, so there's what else can I do?

Speaker 3 There's nothing, I'm not adding any more jinxes to an already jinxed city. I am rooting for the Braves, though.
I hope they win it all.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't know what the city of Atlanta can do to get rid of the Jinx. It's been in place since 1996,

Speaker 3 since they got the Olympic Games. They sold their soul for that one.
Nothing's gone right after that. I don't know.
Just take your name out of the hat for the next Olympic consideration.

Speaker 3 Just be like, hey, we're done with the Olympics. But

Speaker 3 I'm also rooting for the Braves. I think Braves in seven.
Okay. He's going to go the distance.
I'm mostly just rooting for Big T because he's, it's just, it's fun to see him giggle with delight. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Um, I so

Speaker 3 I had this thought, and this is this is, I'm doing this for Atlanta. Nothing can be worse than the thought I had this morning.

Speaker 3 Saturday would be game four,

Speaker 3 a Braves getting swept in the World Series, and then Georgia getting upset by Florida in Jacksonville. So there you go.
That could be that, that's rock bottom. We build up from there.

Speaker 3 I had that thought pop in my head. I was like, oh, that's ugly.
You got a bargain.

Speaker 3 If you're an Atlanta sports fan, you have to enter a bargain right now and say, tell us, which one are you willing to give up? Are you willing to give up the Georgia undefeated season?

Speaker 3 Or are you willing to give up the Atlanta Braves World Series? Because I don't think that there's any chance in hell that they can get both. Maybe.
It just

Speaker 3 can't happen with planet aligning. I don't.

Speaker 3 You have to prioritize in this circumstance. I think they'd probably say the Braves winning.
I think that's where most Atlanta.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't know. College football fans are crazy.
Any other predictions? Anyone got their... Let's all go on the record here.
Hank.

Speaker 3 Braves in seven. Okay.
Jake.

Speaker 3 Braves in five.

Speaker 3 Oh, no. Billy.
No, Acunia, too, which is crazy. He had to face the baseball.
Yeah. He's not playing? He hasn't been playing.
He's been injured all year. Houston in seven.

Speaker 3 Wow. That is, that's

Speaker 3 Hank's sabermetrics. I actually agree.

Speaker 3 Now I agree with World Series 2021 champions. Yeah.
Hank, y'all don't know what you're talking about. Hank doesn't care when he gets the information as long as he gets the information in time.

Speaker 6 I don't like it, but Astro's in six.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay. Are you trying to win that or lose it?

Speaker 6 I don't want it to happen, but I think it's going to happen.

Speaker 3 So are you... I'm trying.
To lose it. To win it? No, he's not.
No, he's trying to win it, but he's with much reluctance. He doesn't want to win it.
No, but

Speaker 3 you should try to lose that. You'd rather it lose.
Exactly. So you're trying to lose it.

Speaker 3 No, but because when Billy chooses a game that he's trying to lose, he actually just lies and said, hey, I like the over on this game, but in reality, he really likes the under.

Speaker 3 And this one, he really does think that the Astros are going to win the World Series, but he regrets feeling

Speaker 3 like that. He's ashamed.
He's ashamed of feeling

Speaker 3 cheaters. Yeah, don't be ashamed.
Okay.

Speaker 3 So, yeah,

Speaker 3 I hope the Braves can do it.

Speaker 3 I'm sure also.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the fucking Astros. Fuck the Astros, man.
They're not likable. I mean, Al Tuve is kind of.
Dusty Baker, a little bit of a bunch of

Speaker 3 old i just like

Speaker 3 with dusty on the cubs and he's old were you rooting for dusty to to not be successful after all a little bit it was a little like hey dude like you kind of whatever i didn't think that he did anything like well he kind of pitched mark pryer and carried yeah kind of yeah sent them out to pass a little bit yeah yeah but he's a he's a nice guy he's a baseball lifer yes he's one of those guys he's a baseball man i'm rooting for him i'm rooting for dusty baker a little bit but uh yeah you gotta you gotta pull for the Bravos here.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Also, taking the under.

Speaker 3 Of the series? This game tonight. Oh, got it.
It's cloudy. Chance of Range.
Under eight? Yeah. Oh, wow.
So, okay. Has there ever been.

Speaker 3 When was the last time there was a scoregami in the World Series? Is there baseball score games?

Speaker 7 Probably not.

Speaker 3 There's too many games.

Speaker 3 There's got to be scoreigami. It would be so rare.

Speaker 7 They were like 25-2 or something.

Speaker 3 No, that's

Speaker 3 the Rangers and the Orioles had 30-3 once. Yeah, that's true.
You try to find

Speaker 3 the most likely scoreigami in baseball.

Speaker 7 We also have This Is Wild storyline in the World Series.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 Brian Snicker, manager of the Braves, and the Astros, his son, is the hitting coach.

Speaker 3 That's wild. That's wild.
That is wild.

Speaker 7 Buddy Behim quote tweeted Wild from the video yesterday, by the way.

Speaker 3 So who are they rooting for?

Speaker 3 Who's the wife rooting for? Yeah. The mom.

Speaker 7 Tom House Divided shirt, right?

Speaker 3 Damn. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Top. Do you think you root for your son? Over your husband?

Speaker 3 I think you do. I think

Speaker 3 you're going to do his part. I think moms root for kids over 31st seven-game series.

Speaker 3 If you pulled 100 moms,

Speaker 3 they'd all root for their kids first. I think most dads happen in your household,

Speaker 3 but most dads.

Speaker 3 Most dads root for the moms. Most wives root for the sons, if that were the case.
Dads root for the

Speaker 3 if it were like if the mom was a hitting coach and then the son was also a doctor.

Speaker 3 The mother's a doctor. Then, yeah, the mother's a doctor.
Yeah, that's wow. My household, I would, uh, I would, I would be, yeah, I wouldn't get rooted for.
No one would be rooting for me

Speaker 3 The lowest that's I mean I understand it you root for yeah kids come on I don't need yeah I don't need kids would you be rooting for your kid you want a woman rooting for you pause you want no yeah your kids are like your kids getting all their dreams come true so it's a win-win basically yeah it is I think if you had to like poll I think parents will always root for their kids I think a more fair

Speaker 3 place the dad rooting for his that's what I'm saying like let's say he's a baseball lady oh no the dad's not rooting for his

Speaker 3 no no no no no

Speaker 3 Not even a little bit? No. You wouldn't even be rooting a little bit? No, I think that's more of a

Speaker 3 when all is said and done, then you can be like, hey, that's cool that you got it. I'm proud of you, but fuck that.
Yeah. No.
All right. I would try to food poison my son.

Speaker 7 I found scoreigami.

Speaker 3 Yeah, let's hear it.

Speaker 7 Up to 2017, this website. The most realistic is 18-14.

Speaker 3 Okay, so that's what we're rooting for. It's 23-0,

Speaker 7 23-1.

Speaker 3 18-14. 18-14 is 18-14.
That's what I got my mind on. That would be fun.
That would be a lot of fun. I can't believe that's never happened.
Wow. Yeah.
That's fun. Crazy.

Speaker 3 That's wild and crazy.

Speaker 3 All right. Little college football.

Speaker 3 Clemson is officially. Is the dynasty over? Clemson is dead.
Is the dynasty. Is Dabo

Speaker 3 is the dynasty done? I think Dabo was a system coach. He can't do it without an elite quarter.
He can't do it without Deshaun Watson or Trevor Lawrence. That's what it looks like to me.

Speaker 3 DJ Ukulele is not the guy. Although he could be the guy.
I'm not going to give up on him. I'm a big, like, I mean, it's very similar to the Kevin White discussion.
It's, I'm a big five-star.

Speaker 3 If you're a five-star, you're a five-star for life. Also, he played really well when he was a backup.
When he got Notre Dame, yeah, yeah. So, he had a good offensive line and good receivers.

Speaker 3 And also, his dad just kicks ass. I'm very intimidated by it.
He's the best. So, yeah, I'm still rooting for DJ, but I don't know.
Clemson, dynasty over. Dynasty

Speaker 3 over. Put a stake in the heart.

Speaker 3 I also would love to have someone, maybe a graphic designer, make me a poster of the nine overtimes that we saw in Happy Happy Valley because that was one of the worst games/slash hilarious games.

Speaker 3 That deserved to be a bowl game, like that we watched.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Cheez-It Bowl or the Red Box Bowl. But

Speaker 3 nine overtimes, the two-point conversion fest where they have to walk back and forth down the other side of the field, including Sitkowski, the Illinois quarterback, getting hurt halfway through, breaking his arm.

Speaker 3 And listen, it probably sucks that you break your arm. They like attended to him on the field.
So there was like a 10-minute delay. He couldn't walk.
He didn't walk off the field.

Speaker 3 It was an absolute train wreck. But yeah, the play-by-play where it's just two-point conversion attempt fail.
Two-point conversion attempt fail. Two-point conversion attempt fail.
Over and over.

Speaker 3 Oh, beautiful big 10-foot. Piloma just wanted to get out of there and get some dinner at that point.
How hungry would you be on the sideline? So hungry. You don't account for that.

Speaker 3 Even the hungriest man doesn't eat enough hot dogs at halftime to last through all those overtimes.

Speaker 3 I don't like this overtime thing. I don't like it.
It's stupid. It's dumb.
And here's the best part, too.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 the underhit easily. Sitkowski,

Speaker 3 he went eight. He's the winning quarterback.
He went eight for nine, 38 yards, and one interception.

Speaker 3 Winning quarterback. And then what's his name? Brandon Peters, I want to say, came in, and because his two-point conversion attempts,

Speaker 3 he won the game for Illinois, but his stats don't show up. Yeah, because it doesn't count on the final thing.

Speaker 3 So he never existed.

Speaker 3 He like ghost rode the win.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so you could have gotten, like, if you're running back, hypothetically, and you had scored a bunch of two-point conversions in overtime, that would have could possibly add up to, I don't know, like 16 more yards on your total for the day.

Speaker 3 Nope, doesn't count. Doesn't count.

Speaker 3 Should we have the conversation? Is James Franklin distracted by all the money that he's about to get paid?

Speaker 3 Well, because he hired a new agent, and in my experience, you don't really hire a new agent if you're happy with how much money you're making.

Speaker 3 Funny you asked that, PFT, because he actually came out today and he said, future with Penn State, not a distraction to the team. Okay, good.
So now here we go.

Speaker 3 He's dismissed. I feel dumb for even asking.
Did you hear what he said? No, I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 He said he's focused on Illinois. Oh,

Speaker 3 that's not who they're playing this with. Well, he should probably replace it.

Speaker 3 They're playing Ohio State. Yeah, he said that we're just focused on Illinois.
Yeah, he said Ohio State. He's watching the film.
Yeah, he can't.

Speaker 3 He's just watching a lot of film.

Speaker 6 No, he said we're on to Illinois. Ah,

Speaker 3 well, he might think the overtimes are still going on. Exactly.
I don't know if you guys heard this, though. He said he's not distracted.
Yeah, he said he's not distracted.

Speaker 3 So you know that a college coach, their word is their bond. I believe they'd never lie about anything.
I believe James Franklin. Me too.
Just Penn State coaches. I think it was Keith.
Believe all

Speaker 3 words. Believe all college coaches.
We should start the movement.

Speaker 3 It's actually sad how little trust we have in this. Jimbo Fisher, he's happy and never leaving Texas AM.
Believe all coaches.

Speaker 3 Link Giffen, ole miss for Life. He's Ole Miss for Life.

Speaker 3 I do have a quick update on our new color schemes.

Speaker 3 I do feel like we are just heading directly into, oh, this season's awesome, this season's chaos, and it's going to be Georgia, Albem, Oklahoma, and Ohio State somehow.

Speaker 3 And Cincinnati is going to get left out.

Speaker 3 I felt like Cincinnati

Speaker 3 more than seven. Yeah, I actually thought that Navy could have won.
Yeah, they had the ball down seven.

Speaker 3 And just because, like, if you're playing against one of the Service Academy teams, that's a game that can go sideways real fast if you haven't been able to prepare right for it because they don't play football.

Speaker 3 They play Army football or they play Navy football, which is a different brand entirely. Committee doesn't respect the troops.
Who? The committee or whoever picks that?

Speaker 3 Well, I just think that Cincinnati's in that mode where they're actually like a throwback BCS style team trying to score style points to get into the playoff.

Speaker 3 They have to win and they have to win convincingly

Speaker 3 because otherwise they're not going to get the benefit of the doubt. And they're just going to put in Oklahoma, who keeps beating bad teams by a few points, and everyone's like, well, it's Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 I'll just say right now, I want Michigan to get in there. I would love to see Harbaugh in Michigan versus Michigan State on Saturday.
I would love to see Harbaugh in a playoff. Get a 10-year contract.

Speaker 3 All the haters up.

Speaker 3 Unfortunately,

Speaker 3 this is.

Speaker 3 Ohio State just has two different seasons. They either have

Speaker 3 the one season where they'll lose to a Big Ten, an inferior Big Ten team, and

Speaker 3 everyone will be like, oh, shit, what's wrong with Ohio State? Or if they lose early enough,

Speaker 3 everyone doubts them, and then they just kick the shit out of everyone else. Like the year they lost to Virginia Tech, I think they won the national championship.

Speaker 3 They just, you can count, like, we had a discussion. What was the discussion? Four losses? Four losses, yeah.
Ohio State is just crushing people now.

Speaker 3 Are you feeling like maybe there's a chance?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 I saw some stat. It was like 20 out of the last.
We needed Indiana to fucking have a pulse. Yeah, it was something like 20 out of the last 22 possessions Ohio State scored.
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 They're just buzz-sawing people. They're going to kill Penn State and they're going to keep rolling and they're going to kill Michigan State and they're going to kill Michigan.

Speaker 3 They might lose to Penn State.

Speaker 3 Oh.

Speaker 3 Because James Franklin is so focused. I mean, every game for me in this bet is a must-lose for Ohio State.
So I've. Must-lose los.
What do you have to get if they don't.

Speaker 3 I forget. Like, I wasn't going to watch football.

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 I wasn't going to watch football, remember? For a month. If they had four-plus losses for the entire month, yours was something along the lines of

Speaker 3 10 bucks.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think it was the cat one. It was getting a cat, right? Do you remember, Billy?

Speaker 3 Getting a cat. I think it was something worse.
Yeah, worse than a cat. Getting two cats.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Getting two house cats.

Speaker 3 One named Brickles and the other named. Pickles.
Brickles and pickles.

Speaker 3 I think I said I also wouldn't work. He was playing football and come in.
Oh, no.

Speaker 3 Wait, your punishment was you taking vacation? He wouldn't work. No, it's zero.
I mean, it wasn't my punishment. You said it to me.

Speaker 3 All right, we need to. Somebody please fact-check us on this one because we forget what Hank's into the bargain was.

Speaker 3 Yes, and also someone make me a poster of the two-point conversion off in Happy Valley because it was fantastic.

Speaker 3 All right, anything else from college football before we move on to hot seat cool throne?

Speaker 3 This is this is a last week was just bad all around for football. This week, we're, we're back on track.
I mean, Oklahoma, they were fixing to lose that game. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 Like, they just keep, they keep beating teams by not a big margin, but because they're Oklahoma, everyone will be like, yeah, they're really, really good.

Speaker 3 The debate I'm addicted to having already is, is Caleb Williams a Heisman candidate?

Speaker 3 Even though he's played, what, three games now?

Speaker 3 Two and a half games? Three games.

Speaker 3 Two and a half, yeah. Two and a half games, right? Texas maybe counts as a real full game.
The thing is, yeah, that half had enough. That had enough football for a full game.

Speaker 3 The play that he had was a Heisman signature moment.

Speaker 3 But it was against Kansas.

Speaker 3 But it still was - I mean, it was against Kansas and also an entirely filled stadium of season ticket holders.

Speaker 3 Passionate fans.

Speaker 3 But I like having the debate of, like, is this guy that just started playing, could he be...

Speaker 3 Hypothetically, if one guy started in the SEC championship game that hadn't played all year and threw for nine touchdowns, could that guy be a Heisman candidate? Why not? That's a great Heisman move.

Speaker 3 At least get him an invite to New York. Get him in the Heisman house.
Yes. Yes.
Have him bunk with Tebow.

Speaker 3 Also, I think Wisconsin's going to win the Big Ten West, and people are going to be real mad because they're not good.

Speaker 3 Is that still actually a possibility? Oh, yeah. If they went out, they control their own destiny.
For some reason, I thought that Wisconsin was, the season was sunk. No,

Speaker 3 they can be in Indianapolis. If they beat Iowa, there's a pretty good chance because the rest of their schedule, they should be.

Speaker 3 That would be the most Wisconsin season ever. Also, our good friend Tom Fernelli had a stat that Wisconsin, over half of their points given up have been directly related to a turnover.
Okay.

Speaker 3 So that's all they do. They just turn the ball over and give up points.
Otherwise, their defense is like the greatest in the world. Just got to limit those turnovers.

Speaker 3 Yeah, which is impossible because they like to turn the ball over. Jameis did a pretty good job.
That's true.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, it's going to get people real mad if Wisconsin plays Ohio State in the Big Ten Championships. I'm declaring it.
I want Georgia, Cincinnati,

Speaker 3 Alabama, Oregon, Oh, Michigan. Oh, okay, Michigan.
That's good colors. All right.

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Speaker 3 Hank, hot seat cool thrown. Oh, my hot seat's Ed Asner.

Speaker 3 Dead as fuck. He is dead.
R.I.P. So we were wrong.
Big dead. Big rip Ed.
Super dead. You dead bitch.
Dead Ed. Yeah.

Speaker 3 How long has he been dead for? Like six months. Whoa.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Body's not even cold. Damn.

Speaker 3 Dead. Just as fuck.
Do you know what? What was Ed Azner famous for again?

Speaker 3 Being dead. I mean, I remember on this show and talked about it.
On this show, he was famous for being alive. No, on this show, most famous for being dead.

Speaker 6 That's funny. He was the dude in the up.

Speaker 3 Oh, the old guy? Yeah, that's the voice that's part two.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay. That actually sad.
Now I thought that. I thought that was Joe Pop.
Yeah, okay. That's sad.

Speaker 3 My cool throne is the NFL being pieces of shit and unbiased or no biased and just like ignoring cheating?

Speaker 3 I have talked about my problems with the Manning cast and how every time I go on, I get triggered, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yesterday, I was watching the Celtics.
Celtics game ended.

Speaker 3 I flipped over to the Manning cast on TV one. I was like, let's tune into the boys.
Saw some tweets.

Speaker 3 I missed the birdie part, but people said it was good.

Speaker 3 Quite literally, when I turned on the TV, Peyton Manning starts going off this rant about how the ball boys in Indianapolis used this special sauce and they did all these tricks of the trade and did all this shit with the ball.

Speaker 3 And I'm sitting there, I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe he just admitted to these crimes. Twitter's going to be going crazy.
There's going to be an investigation tomorrow and it's just crickets.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, nothing. That part was ridiculous, baby.

Speaker 3 It was insane. I literally

Speaker 3 lived off the channel.

Speaker 3 It was infuriating.

Speaker 3 It was infuriating.

Speaker 3 It was crazy because they just had Tom Brady on. And he was, I thought Tom Brady was great, by the way, on on the Manicast.

Speaker 3 It's crazy to watch him discussing football as it happens.

Speaker 3 That was a great broadcast. But then they get him off.
And the very next segment, Peyton Manning is literally saying, yeah, I had these three guys. I actually enacted the rule change that let me...

Speaker 3 doctor my own balls the way that I like to so that we could the quarterbacks could be better.

Speaker 3 I led a group of quarterbacks to do a petition to Roger Goodell saying we should be allowed to prepare our own balls. So we would sand them down.

Speaker 3 We had a special sauce that was made up that we'd rub them with. We used to get a belt sander on him sometimes.
He was just like openly talking about it.

Speaker 3 My big problem, though, was why not have that conversation? If you're going to have it, have it when Brady is on the air with you.

Speaker 3 I'm sure Tom Brady would have just went off and been like, this is absolute bullshit that the NFL did this like $7 trillion investigation and suspended me for four games. Yep.

Speaker 3 And Peyton's just like, yeah, we had our special sauce every game. And like, I just love the idea of you just getting so angry.
Turn it off.

Speaker 3 Stomping.

Speaker 3 I love a good broadcast. We're in the business.
I like to see what people are talking about. If people are like, this is good, I'll check it out.
And then every time it's like

Speaker 3 I turn on, they're like, oh, let's talk about the helmet catch. Let's talk about how we cheated so much with these balls and no one gives a fuck because I'm paying Manning.

Speaker 3 You know what would help calm you down in those moments? What? Prickles and pickles. Yeah.
Two cats that you can.

Speaker 3 Pussies, you can't have the bet.

Speaker 3 Oh, you do? Okay. It's prickles and pickles.
Prickles are pickles.

Speaker 3 We had two kittens that you could pet. One time you had got a single cat.

Speaker 7 Unfortunately, from what I had, it had nothing to do with a cat.

Speaker 3 I want one of the cats to be like a little surly.

Speaker 3 You can cuddle up with one of them, but the other kind of hates you.

Speaker 7 So if the Buckeyes lose four games, PFD can't watch NFL football for the entire month of September next season.

Speaker 7 And if they lose less than, Hank can't watch the entirety of week one of NFL next season.

Speaker 3 Oh, great. Yeah, this is a good thing.
That's not a punishment. Let's go.
That's also a big-time future for you. Listen to the entire segment, but that's what I have so far.

Speaker 3 That's not a punishment to Hank. He's going to go golf.

Speaker 3 I'm a football guy. He's going to go golf.
He's a football guy through and through. Damn.
Yeah, actually. You can't watch the Patriots, though.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 He's still going to golf.

Speaker 3 Damn.

Speaker 3 One other thing about the Manningcast last night. Drew Brees was on there for a little bit.
He also, they mentioned you guys briefly, like the Barcelona guys keep tripping my shirt. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Very briefly.

Speaker 3 But Drew Brees went on, and I don't know if you happen to notice this, but he said, hey, I got some people that would like to say hi to you guys on the broadcast. And then he goes, say hi to my boys.

Speaker 3 And he brought his two boys on next to him. And he's like, it's a special treat.
Let them stay up past their bedtime so they could say hi to the Mannings. Say hi, boys.

Speaker 3 And then after the boys say hi, his poor daughter. reaches her head in from off frame.
No. Drew Brees was making his daughter stand off frame while his sons were on frame.
And she goes, hi.

Speaker 3 And then she like immediately gets moved out of the way.

Speaker 3 This son of a bitch just, I think he's trolling us now with this. Yeah, I know

Speaker 3 it's a joke at this point. Because that's when it first happened, it was just super old school.

Speaker 3 You just daughters don't exist. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was just like guy time, boys watching football in the man cave.

Speaker 3 But when it first happened, you know, and there were all the, there were certain people that are just big care lords out there that are like, wow, he didn't throw a pass to his daughter when he was passing to his sons.

Speaker 3 They're reaching for stuff.

Speaker 3 There's enough evidence out there that Drew Brees might hate his daughter.

Speaker 3 I'm just saying. No, for sure.
I'm just saying. I've seen enough.
At this point,

Speaker 3 it's enough to convene a grand jury. I'm not convicting him yet, but we're investigating.

Speaker 3 That's funny because I just looked for

Speaker 3 I looked Drew Brees' daughter to try to find it, and the top tweet is just some guy named Matt Lewis who says, Something, something, Drew Brees hates his daughter, PFT commenter.

Speaker 3 Somebody attacked me about that. Yeah.
No, but if you watch the video. So

Speaker 3 this guy's just predicting the show. Fuck.
Yeah. Okay.
If you watch the video, it is

Speaker 3 exactly what I said. Like, she's off camera.
And he's like, say hi to the boys. It's crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Your hot seat, Cool to Ron, PFT. My hot seat is Pete Carroll.
This is kind of a little hot seat because I think that Pete Carroll might be coaching for his job right now. I think so, too.

Speaker 3 How can you coach for your job with a backup? Well, his job is a coach. Okay.
Yeah, but no, that's a good question, though, Hank.

Speaker 3 I think in most circumstances, it'd be fair to be like, he's managing the best he can given the circumstances.

Speaker 3 But I think what the absence of Russell Wilson has shown is that Pete Carroll, without an elite quarterback, a guy that he, you know, he kind of lucked into when he drafted in the third round.

Speaker 3 Every other team passed on Russell Wilson twice, if not three times. Russell Wilson has been doing a lot to keep Pete Carroll looking like a great coach.
Yes. And Pete Carroll is a good motivator.

Speaker 3 I think he's probably a great recruiter because he can buy people houses. That's sweet.

Speaker 3 But I don't think that he's, I don't think he's a great X's and O's guy. I don't think he's a good decision maker.
Well, I don't think he's ever been. I think he's been like a good manager of talent.

Speaker 3 He's also, he's a prime candidate for a guy who gets fired because it was just like, hey, it's time to move on. You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's,

Speaker 3 I always think of like Lovey Smith when he got fired. It was, I think he went 10 and 6 that year.
It's like, all right, well, enough time has passed. Like, time to move on.

Speaker 3 You know, it's not that he's doing a bad job. It's just that you've been doing the same thing for a very long time.
And if it doesn't ever progress, then it's time to move on.

Speaker 3 What coach wins with bad quarterbacks, though?

Speaker 3 There have been a couple coaches. I mean, the Washington football team got to the playoffs last year.

Speaker 3 So did the Bears. Although, I think Mitch might be better than Mahomes.
I think he might be better.

Speaker 3 And Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 3 Let's flip it and reverse it. Mitch Trubisky took a Matt Nagy coach team to the playoffs twice.
Yeah, that's a great point.

Speaker 3 Also, Matt Nagy and Ryan Pace did not draft someone who's been accused of 22 counts of sexual assault. That's true.
So good job, Bears. Also a fact.
Billy's been giggling over there for a long time.

Speaker 3 What do you got? I have no idea what's going on, and I'm slightly disturbed. You're getting goofy? You're getting goofy on our ass?

Speaker 6 A little goofy. Yeah? Nothing pertaining to anything.

Speaker 3 Okay, cool. Just using your imagination.
Sorry, my cool throne?

Speaker 3 My cool throne is six flags.

Speaker 3 And just being thrifty in general.

Speaker 3 There was an article that came out yesterday in, it was in Mel Magazine about a millennial who's trying to avoid spending a lot of money on eating out for lunch, eating out for dinners.

Speaker 3 This person named Dylan said that he talked to one of his coworkers, and she said that she was spending $1,500 a month on eating food, like going out to restaurants.

Speaker 3 It seems like a lot for somebody right out of college.

Speaker 3 But this guy, Dylan, he found a life hack, and he realized that if you can buy a season pass to Six Flags, add on the meal charge, you get unlimited food for $150.

Speaker 3 So this guy goes twice a day, every day, to Six Flags

Speaker 3 to eat their food and doesn't spend any extra money on it. That's like a dining hall.

Speaker 3 Yes, it's like a college dining hall, except you've got roller coasters around if you want to ride them while you're there. That's so sick.

Speaker 3 Wouldn't that be an awesome lunch break from your office job? Is that just go to Six Flags real quick? Yes. Get a turkey lag and ride a roller coaster and come back to the office.
That is so sick.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so that's, I think that's kind of a genius move. Yes, absolutely genius.

Speaker 3 All right, my hot seats is me because I owe Bubba some shoes. So he hit the alternate under on Sunday, under 47 for the Chiefs and the Titans.
I'm buying you the shoes. You picked them out.

Speaker 3 I will buy them. Thank you.
I didn't mention it. I forgot it on Sunday.
I did too. And I had like a million people tweet at me.

Speaker 3 Big Cat doesn't pay up on his bet.

Speaker 3 Or something like he does every time. Yeah, and I literally just forgot to mention that.
Yeah, we all forgot.

Speaker 3 So thank you again. Not a scumbag.
I bought the shoes.

Speaker 3 Billy, you're just... You're cheesing.
There's something going on in that mind.

Speaker 6 Liam should get Yeezys.

Speaker 3 Just really go for it. Oh, go all the way for it.
No, he actually respected it. I think they were like $250.
Perfect.

Speaker 3 That's a good amount. Yeah, also, people were sending me getting $10,000 shoes, which I was addicted.
Yeah, right. Oh, Hank would.
He just looked at me like, yeah, I'd do that.

Speaker 3 Also, hot seat Gus Johnson, not the announcer, Gus Johnson, but I thought for a second that Gus Johnson was getting canceled. Did you guys see that? I saw his name trending.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's a streamer named Gus Johnson. I didn't know there was a gut.
Like, I read this whole apology.

Speaker 3 I thought it was from the announcer, Gus Johnson, and then I realized halfway through that it wasn't. What did he do?

Speaker 3 I think he did something bad. He was like abusive to his girlfriend.

Speaker 6 Yeah, one of the things is his wife was in the hospital and he went out to get beers

Speaker 3 with his friends. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Stuff like that. But that's not why he was getting canceled, was it?

Speaker 6 I think she was like.

Speaker 6 he told her that he'd break up with her.

Speaker 3 It's like really crazy. If she gave birth.

Speaker 3 Either way, Gus Johnson, I was like, what the hell's going on here? And then my cool throwing is the Bulls because Bulls are back. Hank, you get nervous.

Speaker 3 Bulls are good. For what? Winning.
They're the last undefeated team in the East. They are good.
I bet them last night, Henry Hoops. There we go.
Oh, is that a new thing? Yeah.

Speaker 3 What has Henry Hoops got tonight? Aha, the Sixers. As crazy as it sounds.
Okay. They're Dilly Hank.
And the Lakers, honestly. Really? Yeah.
Love them. Whoa.
Whoa. Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Gus Johnson, the other Gus Johnson. I still don't really know who it is, but he got canceled.
Gus Danger Johnson, Gus Buckets. He's a Twitch streamer.

Speaker 3 Do you have anything else for us on that guy, Billy? You don't know anything else?

Speaker 6 Pretty sure he just was abusive to his girlfriend.

Speaker 3 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 3 Disavow. Disavow.
All Gus Johnsons.

Speaker 3 I like the other Gus Johnson. Not in football.

Speaker 7 My hot seat are suits. Coaches, done with them.
What?

Speaker 3 End of an era. NBA has already done it.

Speaker 7 I think college is going to do the same thing.

Speaker 3 Good. It's crazy.
It was always crazy they had to wear a suit.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I still think MBLB managers wearing a uniform is crazier.

Speaker 3 No, I like that, though. No, it's great.
It is crazy, but I love it. I love seeing a fat 65-year-old run out there in cleats and a belt.
So I think that's it.

Speaker 3 I feel like there's some old school guys who will still wear a suit. They might.
Like Mike Petino's going to wear a suit. Jay Wright.
Jay Cow.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Jay Wright loves loves his suits.

Speaker 3 But he did, I mean, Jay Wright looked very casual, competitive when he was casual. Competitive, casual, when he was wearing like the warm-up top and the, he was like a quarter-zip guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I would be disappointed if I tuned into Villanova game and Jay Wright was not wearing a suit.

Speaker 7 We'll stay two weeks away. My cool throne are the Florida Panthers.
You guys have crapped on them a lot over the years on this podcast, but they're the best team in the NHL right now.

Speaker 3 You've all pointed to them. Yeah, 6-0.
You're probably

Speaker 3 the only person that's noticed that we've crapped on the Florida Panthers alive.

Speaker 7 Hey, I remember you guys had a huge segment on them.

Speaker 3 Oh, it was what's the least consequential team in modern history. And I think that's not crapping on them.
That's just stating facts. I think it's the Panthers, the Coyote League, and the Wizards.

Speaker 3 Coyotes have those throwback jerseys, though, that are sick. That makes them have something.
The Yotes, and they also have Paul Miss

Speaker 3 Trotsky coach there. Organization.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, number one Panthers.

Speaker 7 Shout out to Tall Gross Mills. They play right next to them all.

Speaker 3 Sacramento, Canadian. I love that.
Yeah. Love that.
That's 6-1. All right, Billy, let's finally get why you're cheesing.

Speaker 3 I've just been smiling. I have no idea why you're.
You just love life. Can't believe it is your life smiling through it all.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 My hot seat is a certain former old miss quarterback who signed to the Toronto Argos in the CFL.

Speaker 3 Eli Manning. But if he

Speaker 3 didn't unblock him, shout out to Duck Hodges, by the way.

Speaker 6 Favorite fans,

Speaker 6 he would be getting a shout-out on this podcast.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 I'm not going to say his name. I'm not going to say his name until I'm unblocked.

Speaker 6 My other hot seat is is X Factor from

Speaker 6 Kansas City Chiefs because he's realizing that he can't get into the game this Monday and he's trying to find ways around it, but everyone's shutting him down. So,

Speaker 3 dress up like an old woman. He just figured this out.
Actually, that's actually very relatable to like.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he's like, I can't get in as X Factor. He thought he could get in as not X Factor.

Speaker 3 Oh, he thought he could get in as himself. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He thought X Factor was kicked out. Yeah.
But Rodney or whatever his name is, what's his name? Ty. Ty.

Speaker 6 She's like, he's just going in his Ty, and then they contacted him and said, no, Ty cannot come in.

Speaker 3 That's a great point. I kind of agree with him on that.

Speaker 6 My other hot seat was James Franklin.

Speaker 6 And then my cool throne is Russians. A Russian boxer, Ilya Medvedev, TKO'd a grizzly bear who attacked him and his fishing group and killed his friend.
But he

Speaker 3 wasn't a sanctuary fight. I don't think it's a TKO.
If you kill a friend,

Speaker 3 if it's a bear attack, like, was there a referee that counted him out? But also, wait, no, he's leaving out the

Speaker 3 most important part is the bear killed someone.

Speaker 3 The bear killed someone, then he was able to fend off the bear. No, he killed the bear.
No, he TKO. It's not a TKO.
It's a KO. It's a KO.

Speaker 3 It's an LKO. But the bear won.
The bear won.

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 6 if you're dead,

Speaker 6 he's not knocked out. He just can't continue the fight.

Speaker 3 The bear won the undercard. Yeah.
To life. Decisively.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's absolute demolishing. But then the Russian fighter won by knockout.

Speaker 6 No, he fought the bear until it could not continue.

Speaker 3 With his hands?

Speaker 6 With his hands, and he shot him a couple of times.

Speaker 3 There it is. There it is.
No, but he shot him a couple of times. So the bear killed a guy, and then they shot the bear.

Speaker 6 No, the bear, they shot the bear several times, but then the bear came, knocked the rifle out of his hands, and he hit the bear several times.

Speaker 3 But the bear had already been shot.

Speaker 6 But then knocked out the bear.

Speaker 3 It was insane. Technically, or the thing is,

Speaker 6 his third friend was the one who recounted this whole thing.

Speaker 6 So.

Speaker 3 Not the first friend. He's dead.

Speaker 6 First friend's dead. Right.

Speaker 3 So biased judge, per usual. Yeah.
Classic boxing.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay. Good hot sequel throne.
Thank you. All right.
Let's get to our interviews. We've got a great interview with Coach Dick Vermeel, and then we have Mike Florio after that.

Speaker 3 And then we'll get to guys on chicks.

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Speaker 3 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is future Hall of Famer.
I'm going to say it, Coach Dick Vermeal. He coached in the NFL, won a Super Bowl, coached for three different NFL teams.

Speaker 3 Coach, let's start with that because you are a finalist for the NFL Hall of Fame this upcoming year. Have you thought about what it would mean to you and maybe getting that knock on your door?

Speaker 3 And have you already pre-cried about it? Because that will be an emotional moment.

Speaker 11 Well, you know, I thought about it a lot since I got the phone call a month and a half or so ago. Actually, it was

Speaker 11 uh late august i got the call while i was in the airport landing to go to the napa valley yeah i got the call it was uh it startled me it really did in a positive way you know i'm very very grateful for this opportunity and the position they put me in through the voting for the coaches and i'm sure the other coaches that didn't make it this year will make it next year because I know who they are and they are certainly as deserving as I am, maybe just not as old.

Speaker 11 So the age, I think, helped me a little bit, but I'm very appreciative of this opportunity, looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 I think we need to discuss more how you are a trailblazer. I think getting the word out there about how you were, you were actually the first special teams coach in the history of the NFL, right?

Speaker 3 The first full-time special teams coach? Yeah.

Speaker 11 1969, George Allen hired me. I was an assistant coach run of the offense at Stanford University, coaching Jimmy Punkett at that time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, there are three phases to the game, right?

Speaker 3 We got 33 starters on each team. I mean, there's some overlap there, but special teams is important.
You know that. So when you started

Speaker 3 being the first full-time special teams coach,

Speaker 3 what was your job? Why had there not been a full-time special teams guy before you?

Speaker 11 Well, at that time, you know, the entire NFL coaching staffs, they were all made up of six assistants and one head football coach.

Speaker 11 And they divided the special team responsibilities up amongst the staff.

Speaker 11 And it got a late preparation day, usually Friday and Saturday, to prepare for the special teams that are going to take place on Sunday.

Speaker 11 And George Allen, the year before had lost a playoff game due to a kickoff return for a touchdown. And during the offseason,

Speaker 11 he and his staff went through and evaluated every kickoff coverage intensely.

Speaker 11 And they found out the two guys that missed the tackle hadn't made a tackle all year, but no one was following it that closely.

Speaker 11 So he said, you know, I need to hire somebody that evaluate the performance of my special teams every Monday after Sunday's game.

Speaker 11 So I went to the ownership and got permission to hire a special teams coach.

Speaker 11 He called a friend of his, Peyton Jordan, head track coach at Stanford University, and asked him if he knew anybody that might be a special teams type coach that could lead guys in all these variations because you get everybody on special teams in your meetings.

Speaker 11 And Peyton Jordan recommended me. And I was coaching offense at the time, quarterbacks at Stanford.
And I interviewed for the job and he gave it to me.

Speaker 11 So thanks to Peyton Jordan and then George Allen being, you know, a visionary, really. You know, he started the nickel, he started the dime defenses and those kind of things.

Speaker 11 And he started special teams.

Speaker 11 I was there one year and was offered the offensive coordinator job at UCLA and I took it. And then Marv Levy took my job, God bless him, a great man to this day.

Speaker 3 So that's the story.

Speaker 11 And, you know, I was very thankful also. I had the advantage of Howard Snellenberger being on the Ram staff at that time.

Speaker 11 And Howard, having coached in Alabama under Bear Bryant, where kicking game was really critical in a big phase of their preparation every week, he helped me gain some knowledge in regard to the special teams more so than I would have just on my own.

Speaker 11 Yes, I coached special teams myself at high school and junior college and that kind of thing. But in college, I didn't.
I was coaching offense. So Howard Snellenberger was my go-to guy at that time.

Speaker 3 You mentioned high school and junior college. I love about your career.
You are a football guy through and through.

Speaker 3 You have the distinction of being named coach of the year in high school, junior college, college, and at the professional level. So you have done it all.

Speaker 3 Your career path is incredible, how you basically went from

Speaker 3 the smallest to the largest in terms of the football world.

Speaker 3 My question, though, is, you don't see a lot of guys like you who coach the Eagles, you go to the Super Bowl, you lose the Super Bowl, then you walked away from coaching for a very long time.

Speaker 3 What happened that made you say, Hey, I want to take a step back from coaching and maybe do something else? You were in media.

Speaker 11 Well, guys, you know, I was guilty of allowing a passion to become an obsession, and I got so I

Speaker 11 couldn't turn the game off, especially so during the season. And I found myself in a hole because I always blame myself for what went wrong Sunday.

Speaker 11 And instead, and it really negatively influenced my preparation for the next game because I would evaluate the films and my decisions on Monday for why we lost yesterday. And I'd blame it all on me.

Speaker 11 And I kept thinking about that all week about what I should have done last week. And it negatively influenced my preparation for what I should do this week.
And then all of a sudden, I'd be Friday

Speaker 11 to play this next game. And I'd be looking at film.
At that time, it was film and say, geez, why didn't I see this Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday? It's too late to install what I'm seeing now.

Speaker 11 And I felt I was in a spiral downhill in terms of being the leader and running my own offense as I did, coaching my own quarterbacks and that kind of stuff. And

Speaker 11 so, you know, I just, I decided to take a year off and get away from it. And in doing so, I was offered a job with CBS to broadcast football games.

Speaker 11 And I went from making $75,000 a year to $150,000 a year working 16 weekends and then doing a few college bowl games. So it was stealed for a living in comparison.
And I enjoyed it.

Speaker 11 It kept me close to the game. But I still always thought I'd go back into coaching.
And I'm not bragging when I say this, but 13 of the 14 years I was out, I had somebody contact me.

Speaker 3 That's crazy.

Speaker 11 The finest job I was ever offered was offered on the phone in about 1986 or 7.

Speaker 11 And I turned it down because I was a little afraid I would end up in the same hole I was in.

Speaker 11 But thank heavens for the Rams and John Shaw and Georgia Frontier and Jay Zygmunt of the Rams.

Speaker 11 Every time that job had been opened, I had been contacted and asked if I was interested because I had worked for Georgia as an assistant coach. Right.
Okay.

Speaker 11 I had worked there and she knew me and I think she had confidence in me and she felt comfortable with me.

Speaker 11 And they offered me the job and I decided, you know, if I don't go back now i'll never go back i'll be too old so i went back and what was the job what was the job in 1986 that you offered the finest job

Speaker 11 well it was actually tampa bay buccaneers ah it was uh mr uh what's his name culverhouse

Speaker 11 he called me up and he said coach i understand you're a candidate for the atlanta falcon job and i said that's just a strong rumor I asked him to give me a week to think about it and I get back.

Speaker 11 And he said, well, it's out that you're going to go there. And I said, well, that's not true.

Speaker 11 And he said, you know, something, Coach, I've made more money in my life than I could spend in two lifetimes. And I'm offering you the Tampa Bay job.
You can write your own contract.

Speaker 11 That's exactly what he said to me. I guess, you know, I haven't told him any, I don't know if I've ever told anybody I'm interviewing that story.
And

Speaker 11 I was visiting my dad who was dying of pancreatic cancer at the time in the Napa Valley. And

Speaker 11 I sat down and I said, Dad, you can't believe just what happened. I said, Mr.
Culverhouse from Tampa Bay called me and offered me the head coaching job and said I could write my own contract.

Speaker 11 And my dad looked at me and he was in very good health. He says, Dick, do you need the aggravation? I said, no.
He said, then you better not take it.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 3 That's incredible because you don't hear it very often with football coaches.

Speaker 3 I think on this show, we talk often about how football coaches have to have a little bit of a screw loose to have that obsession.

Speaker 3 And you're the rare case where you knew the screw was loose and you're like, I got to take a step back and I got to find some balance in my life.

Speaker 11 Well, I'll tell you this. In broadcasting in the NFL, I visited a lot of head coaches.
And I won't give you their names, but I sat behind closed doors with a few of them.

Speaker 11 Their screw was almost as loose as mine.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yes.
Yeah, you know, sleeping in the office during the week, not going home at all. It does become an obsession.

Speaker 3 I think that a lot of the most successful coaches right now in the NFL, to to a certain degree, have that obsession that drives them to be excellent, but at what cost?

Speaker 3 Like, they probably don't have the same balance in their life that you found out was important to you.

Speaker 11 Yeah, but they have over 20 assistant coaches today. Yeah,

Speaker 3 that's true. So I'm looking at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers record in 1985, 1986.
There were two and 14 in 85, 2-14 in 86, 4-11 in 87.

Speaker 3 I'm just curious, why did that become the most attractive coaching offer that you could ever get in your life?

Speaker 3 Because that's not the same Buccaneers that we have today.

Speaker 11 Well, I didn't call them. They called me.
And Mr. Culverhouse had a very good relationship with Leonard Toast, my owner at the Eagles.

Speaker 11 And I'm sure that Leonard was positive about my performance with him as a head coach and my great relationship I had with him as coach owner. And I think Hugh Culverhouse appreciated that.
And

Speaker 11 he was desperate. He was desperate.
So called me and I said, you know, I talked to other owners too, but I never had anybody say you can write your own contract.

Speaker 11 So I had a great respect for him as a man anyway.

Speaker 11 But my dad finalized it for me. I wasn't ready for the aggravation.

Speaker 11 Like you said, if you're not ready for it, then don't do it.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So you decide to come back.
You end up coaching St. Louis, the greatest show on turf.
You kind of started

Speaker 3 that entire era of football for the St. Louis Rams.
You get to the Super Bowl,

Speaker 3 the last play of the game, the Titans, they reach out at the one-yard line. They come about a yard and a half short.
But

Speaker 3 when I was watching on TV, it looked like maybe his knees were still off the turf while he was reaching out.

Speaker 3 From your point of view on the sidelines, can you walk us through what you saw in that last play?

Speaker 11 Well, you know, you have the worst seat in the house, especially when the end zone here is 50 yards to your left. And there's a whole crowd of pile and offensive people in front of it.

Speaker 11 You're blocking your vision. So I didn't really see.
I turned to look at the officials coming in from the sideline, and I was waiting for them to either cross their arms or go like that.

Speaker 11 I had no idea what they happened. And when I saw them go like that, then I said, you know, that's it.
We are world champions, you know.

Speaker 11 And if it was that close, and I know I've talked to Jeff, you know, he's a fine coach in his own right.

Speaker 11 He would have probably gone for two if he had made it. And we may not have been able to stop him because they have been pounding on us pretty good.
They wore us down in that second half.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah. So here I am sitting as a Super Bowl winning coach.

Speaker 11 But, you know, for all these things, because I've been there and lost, you know, it takes the same thing to get there and lose as it does to get there and win.

Speaker 11 You know, unlike the NBA, unlike major baseball, it's not the best of seven. You know, it's the best of one.
You don't play that well that day. You're not the world champion.

Speaker 11 but you're still a hell of a football team and your organization did everything everybody else did to get there. So I have great admiration for both teams and just as much for the team that lost.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And that season in particular, obviously, you start the season, Trent Green, he gets hurt in the preseason.
You go to Kurt Warner.

Speaker 3 Was there a point in time in that season where you're like, oh, man, this guy, this is something because he's a backup, relatively unknown guy who goes on to a Hall of Fame career, you know, lights the league on fire.

Speaker 3 Was there a particular moment, maybe even in practice, where you're like, oh, boy, like, this is this guy, this isn't just a regular backup. this is the guy.

Speaker 11 Well, the year before, when he was our third quarterback running the scout team offense, there were a number of times I walked off the field and said to myself, either this kid could play or my defense is horse manure.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 11 And I would talk about it. But there was a specific time, and it's in the Ram Highlight film.
I'm standing next to Jim Hannifin on the sideline on the 50-yard line. God bless Jim Hannafin,

Speaker 11 where he had 21 to nothing. He had thrown three touchdown passes versus the 49ers, like the fifth game of the season that had beaten us 17 times in a row.

Speaker 11 And I turned to Jim and I said, Jim, this kid could play.

Speaker 11 That's exactly it. But thanks to Mike Martz and my offensive staff, they did a beautiful job of taking truly a gifted offensive team.
There's five guys in that.

Speaker 11 that'll end up in the hall of fame four of them are already in and tore hold will be next okay so i mean it was a gifted offense but it took a guy like mike martz and al sauners and anathon and john masco and all these guys wilbert montgomery to put it in that greatest show and turf and we had built the foundation for that offense in the first year and the second year in losing but no one recognized it but that the fundamental approach we took to practice remember in those days guys there was no limit on how long you could stay on practice yeah there was no limit in how many contact practices or how many times you could wear the pads that team never took the pads off for two years in the on the breakfast field yeah so it was built that way and then god love mike march and he came in i gave him the responsibility and backed him in every way i could and combined with the rest of those guys they put it together they took advantage and kurt warner

Speaker 3 i knew he could play i did not know he could play that well yeah nobody did well yeah you also spotted um you know the movie invincible i'm sure a lot of people have seen that guy vincent what how do you say his last is it papale it's papale now i'll tell you guys

Speaker 11 I have seen Kurt Warner's new movie by Lionsgate. In fact, the whole crew was here yesterday and interviewed me about it.

Speaker 11 We saw it in the Napa Valley. They brought it up from Southern California and showed it to me and my guests in a private viewing.
It is outstanding. An outstanding football sports movie.

Speaker 11 Really well done.

Speaker 3 I had a question about Al Saunders real quick. You mentioned his name.
Was his playbook actually 700 pages?

Speaker 11 No, there were.

Speaker 3 That seems like a lot of pages.

Speaker 11 Yeah,

Speaker 11 it was very, very, very, very thick. I've got it in there.
I can hardly lift it. Okay, yeah, it's very, very heavy.
And, you know, Mike Marks was not a big book guy.

Speaker 11 He really didn't like to put what he was thinking on paper on. And I made him do it.
I said, I want an offensive notebook. And it was well done and condensed.
Al put everything on paper.

Speaker 11 And just contrasting philosophies. And they're both, you know, Al Saunders did a great job coordinating my offense, the same offense at the Rams that we took with us to Kansas City.

Speaker 11 And then we emphasized the running game a little more because we had Hall of Fame left tackle, Hall of Fame right guard, Hall of Fame tight end, a nominee for the Hall of Fame at left guard, and all pro at center.

Speaker 11 Other than that, why not run the rough ball football?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. So we talked about Kurt Warner.
I want to throw another name out there because I'm always fascinated by interactions with people before they become legends.

Speaker 3 You know, Kirk Kirk Warner, everyone knows him as a legend, but they don't really remember him as a backup quarterback. The other one, you had a very early interaction.

Speaker 3 I think when you were playing, he was a graduate assistant, Bill Walsh, who, you know, revolutionized football and is a Hall of Famer and an unbelievable coach. You knew him before all of that.

Speaker 3 Was he, is that a guy where like you, when you first met him, you're like, oh, something's different about him. Like he sees this whole thing differently than everyone else.

Speaker 11 I could tell you a ton of stories about bill i was a player at sann sac my first year he was a graduate assistant and he was writing his master's degree okay and uh uh then he went became a head coach at washington high school in fremont california i was going to do my student teaching under him when i got out and got my master's what happened he was hired by marv levy to go to cal so i went someplace else.

Speaker 11 I went to another high school. And

Speaker 11 then we maintained a relationship.

Speaker 11 Our wives became good friends and bill and i became good friends then he's coaching at stamford and he recommends me to john ralston i'm i'm a junior college coach at stamp at napa college now head coach and uh

Speaker 11 he recommended me to john ralston and ralston hired me as the freshman coach and i was the freshman coach one year then the next year i was the quarterback running back coach at stamford with jim plum gene washington and those guys so we just built that relationship and then i became a head coach before he did.

Speaker 11 And he was the offensive coordinator for Paul Brown at the Cincinnati Bengals. And we maintained a great relationship, but just we became very close friends.

Speaker 11 And in fact, the wine business I'm in, Bill would have been in it with me if he hadn't passed prematurely.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So, so I learned a lot from him.
Yeah. And he's, you know, he's a fascinating figure in the history of football.

Speaker 3 When he was, you know, you know, implementing his offense and his philosophies,

Speaker 3 was there a belief like, oh, this guy's crazy? Like, what is he talking about? You know, this is different than what we've done. You know, using the passing game is almost a running game.

Speaker 3 How was it perceived back then before it became something that everyone does now in today's NFL?

Speaker 11 Very, very good question.

Speaker 3 Good question. Initially,

Speaker 11 Sid Gilman was working with me. Neither one of us liked some of the basic concepts.
You know, we were vertical stretch

Speaker 3 pass offense.

Speaker 11 Bill, yes, vertical stretch, but he liked horizontal stuff.

Speaker 11 You know, a wide receiver here won one yard across the line of scrimmage over to the other sideline and throwing the ball on a dead run and these kinds of things.

Speaker 11 He brought all that, we call them zero routes. He brought all that stuff into the game.
And at first, I can remember Sid saying, God, I don't like that.

Speaker 11 I mean, how are you going to make any yards that? But

Speaker 11 it...

Speaker 11 High percentage completion to a receiver running full speed. If it's zone, he runs through the zone.
Sometimes you would settle him down. If it's man, the guy's chasing him across the field.

Speaker 11 If it's man, everybody else is tied up with a wide receiver. He catches the ball running room.
So I think Bill did those kind of things. Bill

Speaker 11 had great ability to look at film in those days and define exactly the best ways to attack the scheme that he's going to play this Sunday. And I'll tell you this.

Speaker 11 He could take almost any quarterback and play well with the guy. Now, you're not a Hall of Famer like Montana or Young, but I remember the weekend I'm in broadcasting, I go to a 49er game.

Speaker 11 I sit with Bill the night before the game and we're BS it and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 11 And he tells me he's going to play this kid who was just cut from the San Diego Chargers because his quarterbacks were hurt and couldn't play.

Speaker 11 And God, excuse me, his dad ran for a politician, excuse me,

Speaker 11 an NFL quarterback from Buffalo. Come on, guys, a politician.

Speaker 3 We'll help you. Walk away.

Speaker 11 Hold on.

Speaker 3 Bradley.

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 11 Center. He was centered.

Speaker 11 Buffalo quarterback. Great player.

Speaker 3 Flooty.

Speaker 3 Jack Kemp. Jack Kemp.
There we go. Yeah.
There we go. His son.

Speaker 11 His son, God bless him. He starts the game and throws for over 300 and something yards.
He's been with the 49ers for three weeks.

Speaker 11 You know, Bill had a, he had a magic touch with quarterbacks, and he knew what they looked like.

Speaker 11 He knew what they looked like, and he knew what he wanted, and he could teach them to do what he wanted to do.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's fantastic because it's the history of the game when you start talking about that and the people who came along and figured out a new way to look at things.

Speaker 3 Even we talk about defense and offensive football, like how guys can look at something.

Speaker 3 We've done it one way the whole, you know, for the for the entire history and be like, no, let's do it this way, you know, whether it be up tempo, west coast offense, 46 defense, anything like that.

Speaker 11 Yeah, no question. You know, when I worked with Bill as an assistant coach at Stanford, he was a secondary coach.

Speaker 3 That's crazy.

Speaker 11 And, you know, we had a small coaching staff and we had a small coaching office. We're all together working on game plans on Monday for the next game.
And Bill would give his thoughts offensively.

Speaker 11 And remember, Bill was left-handed. So he would start writing things that he thought might be good offensively.

Speaker 11 Now, he's a defensive coach, and he'd be moving left to right and talking over his right shoulder. John Ralston, the head coach, would be walking behind him erasing it.

Speaker 3 See, he couldn't see him.

Speaker 3 And it's like, it's a great story. He couldn't help himself.

Speaker 11 He could not help himself.

Speaker 3 And it's a great story because it's Bill Walsh. Like, if Bill Walsh wants to give you a tip on your offense, you listen.
It's Bill Walsh. But at the time, it's like, no, you're the secondary coach.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 11 At that time, he was just Bill Walsh.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 11 It's probably becoming the legend of Bill Walsh.

Speaker 3 It's smart to have a guy that, you know, he knows, if he knows the secondary really well, he also probably knows how to exploit it. You know, think like, what's my worst nightmare?

Speaker 3 What would take advantage of this defense that I'm putting into place? That's probably a really great way to learn about something that you want to end up attacking later on in life.

Speaker 11 Well, you know, he always said he learned a lot from Paul Brown as well.

Speaker 11 You know, Bill Walsh was one of the first guys that really started reducing the amount of contact during the week in full pads on a practice field.

Speaker 11 He was one of the first guys to do that. Why? Paul Brown, Paul Brown's influence on it.

Speaker 11 But anyway, and I was, to tell you a story I haven't told many people in Garden Bill Walsh, I'm broadcasting a Cincinnati Bagel game and Bill Walsh is no longer there. Bill Johnson's the head coach.

Speaker 11 And I asked Paul standing on the sideline, I'm watching a Friday practice. And I said, Mr.
Brown, I said, you know, Bill Walsh is a really great friend of mine and one of my closest friends.

Speaker 11 Why didn't you give him the head coaching job?

Speaker 11 And he said, simply, I knew he's a great football coach.

Speaker 11 He said, I just didn't know if he could handle the highs and lows of winning because you're going to, sometimes you're going to lose more games than you win.

Speaker 11 And I didn't know if bill could handle it huh and that's in he he didn't question his ability as to be a football coach and if you know bill closely

Speaker 3 there was a lot of this in bill yeah most people didn't see that the close friends saw it yeah so so fast forward to um after you win a super bowl with st.

Speaker 3 louis you decide to walk away from the game again At a time when it looked like the offense was poised to go on a multi-year run, you left them in a better place than you found them.

Speaker 3 What was the reason for you walking away the second time? And do you regret not staying around at that job for another couple of years and trying to get another couple of Super Bowls?

Speaker 11 You know, I wish I had stayed, but

Speaker 11 I don't actually regret it. I did what I thought was right.

Speaker 11 You know, I have three kids, 11 grandkids, and I was missing a lot of the important part of a person's family life.

Speaker 11 Me living in St. Louis, and I never sold my

Speaker 11 100 acres of ground where I'm talking to you from right now in Chester County. It was there and my kids were utilizing it, hunting on the property and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 11 And, you know, and starting to have their own families

Speaker 11 and that kind of stuff. And I was missing a lot.
Plus, I also recognized it was an opportunity to go out of coaching on top. You know, many of your great coaches never got to go out on top.

Speaker 11 You know, Tom Landry didn't go out on top. There was a lot of people that didn't get to finish their career as world champions.

Speaker 11 And I have a couple Coach of the Year trophies back here, here, and there's names on it that got fired after they won Coach of the Year. You guys know that.

Speaker 11 So I felt it was an opportunity to be a world champion the rest of my life.

Speaker 11 And in May of following that decision, I'm handing out the Super Bowl rings at a beautiful banquet that Georgia Frontier, John Shaw, and Jay Segman put on in St. Louis.

Speaker 11 And I'm saying to myself, What the hell did I do?

Speaker 11 I worked my butt off for three years, helped build this football team, put the staff together, built the culture within the community there, and I'm not a part of it anymore.

Speaker 11 And I felt a little empty after that. I felt a little empty.
So lo and behold, here comes Carl Peterson, who I hired at, kept at UCLA when I was there, brought him with me to Philadelphia. And

Speaker 11 he comes to visit me right here in Chester County, where I'm sitting right now, and says, Dick, we want you to come back and coach our Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 11 And we talked for about eight hours that day, and Lamar Hunt got involved. And, you know, Lamar Hunt was one of the all-time great leaders and one of the all-time great influences on pro football.

Speaker 11 And then I said, you know,

Speaker 11 I'll do it. I'll do it.
So it was one of the best decisions I've ever made in my life was to go back. Kansas City was a great organization, great people.

Speaker 11 It wasn't torn apart at the seams like the Eagles were.

Speaker 11 the Chiefs were, excuse me, the Rams were. Both of those teams were the losingest teams in pro football when we took them over.
And the Chiefs were not that kind.

Speaker 11 You know, there was stability and good leadership, and I didn't need to have 51% vote on personnel because I had a guy that I'd helped raise.

Speaker 11 And there were times we didn't agree, and he was the boss, so he took it.

Speaker 3 It wasn't a big factor, but

Speaker 11 I really

Speaker 11 am grateful I made that decision and listened to Carl Peterson and Lamar.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So you mentioned UCLA. I wanted to throw out another one.
So I was listening to an interview you did, I don't know what it was, maybe a year and a half ago. the 1976 Rose Bowl.

Speaker 3 UCLA, you're coaching UCLA, you beat Ohio State 23-10. You're 15 and a half point underdogs.
You had lost to Ohio State earlier in the year. And I heard the story.

Speaker 3 You basically told your team, listen, we all just have to figure out a way to have our best game together at the same time.

Speaker 3 Was there ever another time that your team was able to do that where every guy was able to have their best game on the same day?

Speaker 3 Because 15 and a half point underdogs, and you win by 13 points, and that's you know a big upset. Did you ever have that again?

Speaker 3 How were you able to like get everyone to be like, Hey, you know, some of you might have your best game one day, but we all have to do it together on this day?

Speaker 11 You know, it's funny you mentioned that. Yesterday, I'm going through for my final files looking for something.

Speaker 11 I found my presentation to my Rose Bowl football team the first day back to start our 15-day preparation to play Ohio State. I found it word for word, printed, not even typed, printed.

Speaker 11 And what I did is I went to my key players and asked them if they felt they had already played the finest game they'd ever played in their careers.

Speaker 11 And not one of them, Randy Cross, John Shire, these guys, good players.

Speaker 11 They all said, no, they didn't think they'd played their best game. And I said, you know something, guys?

Speaker 11 Collectively, me as a coach and you as players, for us to beat Ohio State, we're all going to have to have our best game on the same day. You know, a lot of teams lose football games.

Speaker 11 There's certain guys on the 11 starting on offense or defense had the finest game they ever played, but it wasn't a collective thing. So I sold that.
And I had made

Speaker 11 a mistake. I had told them in the locker room after

Speaker 11 we beat USC to go to the game, Rosebow, I said, you know, guys, we're going to have a lot of fun going to Rosebow.

Speaker 11 Well, halfway through the preparation, they walked out on me. They walked out.
They didn't show up to practice. And Shire came up to my office.
He says, Coach, we we got a problem.

Speaker 11 He says, guys say they're not practicing. They aren't having any fun.
And you told them that's what they were going to do. And you're working as double days.

Speaker 11 And I said, well, John, they only give us 15 days and they've already beaten the hell out of us on national television. And the only way to have any fun going to the Rose Bowl is to win.

Speaker 11 So we're in double days so we can improve everybody individually and collectively and play better game day. So, and I'll come down to the locker room.

Speaker 11 So I go down there, lo and behold, there's nobody in uniform. I mean, it's time to go to practice.

Speaker 11 there's nobody in uniform so i you know i was a lot more intense and and loud at that time i ripped their asses okay i ripped them and i told them i was going to go on the field carry a sign and tell them anybody that played high school football that would like to play in the rose bowl in a couple weeks come and see me i got guys that don't want to play in this game so help me god and uh lo and behold I said, I'm going to dress for practice and I'm going to be out there in 20 minutes.

Speaker 11 And those of you who want to go to the Rose Bowl and win the damn thing, come on out. Those that don't, stay in here.
And lo and behold, one at a time, they started filtering out there.

Speaker 11 We started practice. And the next day, I cut it to single practices, which was my plan anyway.
But, you know,

Speaker 11 hard work is not a form of punishment, but a lot of kids think it is. Yeah.

Speaker 11 That's your job as a coach to teach them it is not. It's a solution.
It's the way you get. There's no correlation between working less and getting better.

Speaker 11 Never has been, never will be, especially in football. Now you can get fresher and not be as tired.

Speaker 11 And I'm guilty of sending teams in to play games, especially late in the year, tired, because I'd worked them too hard during the week. And if I went back, I'd change that.
I'd learn. But

Speaker 11 they played lights out.

Speaker 11 Lights out.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 11 Wendell Tyler could have broke the all-time rushing record in a Rose Bowl if he wanted to.

Speaker 3 you know and

Speaker 11 Woody Hayes walked across the field with a minute to go in the game and congratulated me during the timeout.

Speaker 11 It's been documented. It was on national television.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 it worked.

Speaker 3 How long after that resounding victory? I mean, you went around to all your players and you were like, hey, have you played your best game yet?

Speaker 3 Sounds like that was a pretty good strategy to get them to envision playing better than they had before. Did you ever try to replicate that later on? You're like, you know what?

Speaker 3 That Rose Bull strategy worked pretty well. I'm going to try to do it again.

Speaker 11 You have to be careful in doing that, especially when you think you're going to be there a long time.

Speaker 11 Taylor, when I did it again in 1979, the world champion Pittsburgh Steelers came to Philadelphia to play like the fourth or fifth game of the season.

Speaker 11 I think we were four and one and they were five and oh and I took that approach this week.

Speaker 11 I said, listen, guys, the only way we're going to beat the world champions is for all of us to have a good day on the same day.

Speaker 11 If the defense plays well and the offense plays poorly, we lose. If the special teams break down, we lose.
If I make poor decisions, we lose.

Speaker 11 Collectively, we can beat the world champions if we all try to have our best game on the same day. We beat them.
We beat them. And that sent Philadelphia put our team,

Speaker 11 it ignited our football team's self-esteem.

Speaker 11 All of a sudden, they felt totally different about themselves. We went on into the playoffs.
We won the first game, got beat in the second game. The next year, we went to the Super Bowl and lost.

Speaker 11 But that game was the game that convinced these guys. Remember, we didn't have a first, second, or third round pick my first two years there, and they'd been losing.

Speaker 11 And we didn't have a first or second my third year there. And the fourth year we beat Pittsburgh Steaders.
Why? Because these kids worked their butts off and got better.

Speaker 3 So that Super Bowl, the Eagles Super Bowl,

Speaker 3 There's,

Speaker 3 I remember watching NFL films as a kid, and the storyline that came out of it was the Raiders, their team was loose. They were able to party in New Orleans.
They had guys going out all week.

Speaker 3 And the Eagles maybe a little bit more tight, a little more regimented. Did that ever dawn on you afterwards or during the week of, hey, maybe we've got to loosen it up here?

Speaker 3 Because the Raiders, that was back in the true silver and black, like Raiders going out, getting drunk, coming and kicking your ass on Sunday days.

Speaker 11 I'll say this. We had 11 o'clock.
curfew all week. Okay.
What they did before, after meetings between that and 11 o'clock was their business.

Speaker 11 But I told them this, if anybody embarrassed Philadelphia Eagle ownership and my coaching staff, I could send their ass home. They wouldn't play in the game.
Okay.

Speaker 11 If that made them too uptight or ruined their week, I don't know. What really killed us, first off, I didn't do a good job running the offense.
The defense did a good job.

Speaker 11 Then I can make some excuses, but we are minus three in turnovers.

Speaker 11 How do you win a Super Bowl being minus three in turnovers? And part of that was my fault. And so I accept that.
But we went into the game.

Speaker 11 They're a pressed man man coverage guys with glue on their hands, if you remember.

Speaker 3 Yep,

Speaker 11 and I was minus my second and third wide receiver. I had Harold Carmichael, he didn't have my other starter.
Charlie Smith had broken his jaw against Minnesota.

Speaker 11 We let him suit up and play the first snap of the game, then he watched the game. Scott Fitzkey had a stress fracture, my third receiver, and couldn't play in the game.

Speaker 11 The guy that cut the touchdown pass was a walk-on kid, uh, Parker. And you know,

Speaker 11 he's not, he can't match up against that press man-to-man in that gun.

Speaker 11 And we weren't far enough along in our own offensive scheme how to take advantage of other areas because the corners are in press man where other areas that can't press and i didn't do a good job there i do what if i could do today against the raiders at that time what they were doing then knowing what i know now we'll beat the hell out of them

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Speaker 3 And my last question was, I alluded to it at the beginning.

Speaker 3 You are one of the greatest criers in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 3 And I mean that in a positive way because I always loved, I always loved how emotional you were for your guys and how emotional you were for your team.

Speaker 3 Was there ever a moment where your team was like, hey, coach, can you stop crying for a second? Because I thought it was always a positive.

Speaker 3 I was like, if Dick Vermeal, if you get a big win out of Dick Vermeal, he's going to cry and it's going to be great. It's going to make everyone else cry too.

Speaker 11 Yeah, well, you know, it used to bother me.

Speaker 11 And I'm sure that there were players that make jokes about it or something like that. behind my back and laugh about it.
I've heard it. Now they feel real.

Speaker 11 I was with six of them the other night for a birthday dinner, as I said, I think I said, but anyway, that took us out for dinner. All Eagles, okay?

Speaker 11 Bergey, LeMaster, Randy Logan, Spagnola, Krefley, these guys. And I'm sure that they're, but, you know, you have to be yourself.

Speaker 3 Yeah. You have to be with Benny.

Speaker 11 And I'm an emotional guy. I have always been an emotional guy.
And, you know, not too long ago, oh, it's been a while now. General Schwarzkopf.

Speaker 11 I, you know, I read his stuff, I read his book, and I knew how he felt, but he was on 60 Minutes with Barbara Walters, and she asked him about why he is so emotional and sheds tears from time to time and people around him.

Speaker 11 And he said, you know, Barbara, I don't worry about those guys under me that shed tears. I worry about those guys that don't.

Speaker 11 He said, you know, the guys that do, I know they really care. I know where their passion is.

Speaker 11 I understand them. And that made me feel better.
I used to walk in a stadium to go out for pre-game warm-up and fans would yell, hey, Vermill, why don't you cry for me?

Speaker 11 I felt like flipping them the bird. I didn't do it, you know.
But, you know, I think it's very, very important to be authentic. Be who you are.

Speaker 11 Because sooner or later, players figure who you are anyway.

Speaker 11 And when you're consistent,

Speaker 11 they'll trust you. They'll trust you.
And they may not always agree with everything you do or say, but when they know, they know you are you.

Speaker 11 And I think they buy in more quickly that way.

Speaker 3 It's a great lesson. We saw it with Dan Campbell.
You know, he obviously cares about his team, and he got emotional.

Speaker 3 And when we saw that, we were like, I appreciate this guy being so passionate about his players and his guys and his opportunity. I love football guys love to cry about opportunities.

Speaker 3 If you have that passion for something, then I'm buying in to what you're doing. Well, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 11 Ray Agnew is assistant GM there right now.

Speaker 11 I sent Ray a note yesterday. He played defensive tackle for me at St.
Louis Rams. We remained very close all these years and great guy.
And I sent him a note in regard to that situation. I

Speaker 11 like watching the Detroit Lions play.

Speaker 11 They play balls out. Okay.
I mean, they may not win that freaking ball game, but they're going to take some prisoners. Okay.
They're going to get after you. And I think the first minute

Speaker 11 you don't respect them, you're going to get your butt knocked off. And eventually that will permeate into positive experiences.
That's happened to my teams.

Speaker 11 I've taken over three losing football teams. The first two years, we won about 40% of our games.
Our third year, we won over 70% of them. Sometimes it takes time.

Speaker 11 And I wasn't big on early, just getting rid of people. I like to see what people had.
And maybe they do fit. They just didn't, what they were asked to do wasn't what they can do real well.
And

Speaker 11 so, you know, I respect him. I really do.
I think they're going to end up being a good football team. They play Philadelphia this week.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 In there, it'll be Philadelphia better be ready because we can get their helmets knocked off every week. And that's a reflection of their head coach and their coaching staff.

Speaker 3 I love it.

Speaker 3 You are a football guy, but like you're probably the best adjusted football guy we've ever had on because like these life lessons and and I like I said the the crying thing like I i just always love like i that that's if you watch you know any press conference any you know post game it's like how would you not want to play for a guy like that because he cares i appreciate you saying that i appreciate you saying this what i what i said to ray agnew yesterday in a note i wrote a long time ago that rebuilding a losing football team is like remodeling your home and living in it while you're doing it everything is just rupting people walk by the street and say geez what an ugly looking house that is.

Speaker 11 And your wife's mad at you and nothing fits and all that. But you gradually rebuild it from the inside out.
And all of a sudden, people are walking by you.

Speaker 11 That house you rebuilt and say, God, it looks a lot better than I ever thought it would.

Speaker 11 That's the NFL coaching.

Speaker 3 So what would be the first step in that if you're redoing the foundation? You know, you can't paint the siding on the first week.

Speaker 3 You put the finishing touches, the cosmetics. stuff on later.
If you're fixing the Lions or a team in that situation, how do you address that straight up?

Speaker 11 You start out telling the truth.

Speaker 11 And the first training camp, you guarantee them this, that they may not make the football team, but by the end of training camp, they're going to be better football players.

Speaker 11 And those that make it, a guy used to say, like the guys that landed in Normandy, not all of them made it, but at the end, everybody wins. And that's just the way it is in the NFL.

Speaker 11 There are times I cut people. I would have loved to have been able to keep them on the roster because they were making a contribution to us eventually going to be in a better football team.

Speaker 11 They just weren't gifted enough, but they had everything else. And sometimes they had more in terms of commitment and desire to play well.
And,

Speaker 11 you know, it's harder to do that now, guys, because the union controls how much time you spend on the practice field, not how much time the team needs to get better.

Speaker 11 You know, and when players start working at a level and a tempo and an effort that they start seeing the reward from their work. It becomes what they really believe in.

Speaker 11 And like I always tell them, guys, you're going to end up making more money when you play better.

Speaker 11 And it's all controlled in your effort every day to get better. And it's my job to provide you in the environment and the assistant coaches that can help you get better.
And

Speaker 11 I've said this many times and I've had the opportunity to prove. Winning is not complicated.
People complicate it.

Speaker 3 I love it. That's a great lesson.

Speaker 3 Coach, thank you so much. Best of luck.
We're rooting for you to make it to the Hall of Fame, and we really appreciate you joining us and giving us some of your time.

Speaker 11 It's always exciting as hell to talk football.

Speaker 3 Okay, guys.

Speaker 11 I'm 85 years old, Friday. My pulse rate right now is a hell of a lot better higher than normal.

Speaker 3 Let's go. Anytime.
Anytime you want to talk football. I love it.
Come on back. Thank you.

Speaker 11 Thank you, guys. Take care.
Anytime.

Speaker 3 See ya.

Speaker 1 Hey, what's going on there, pal?

Speaker 5 We saw you at the hockey game on.

Speaker 3 Do I know you guys?

Speaker 5 I'm Ryan Whitney. I got a drink named after me.

Speaker 11 Not a big deal. Pink Whitney?

Speaker 7 That's what I thought.

Speaker 3 See you, fellas.

Speaker 5 I invented the thing, you pigeon.

Speaker 3 Pink Whitney for legendary moments.

Speaker 12 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 3 Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend, recurring guest, Mike Florio. I notice that you have your book in the background, Playmakers, out soon? Out soon?

Speaker 12 Well, March 15. It's really not as soon as I would like it to be.
It's ready to go. You can pre-order it now.

Speaker 12 We do a Playmakers podcast for the people who have pre-ordered exclusive access, et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, it's not out until March 15.

Speaker 3 So I had a thought the other day. This is going to shock you.
I had a thought that I was going to maybe actually read it. Now, I didn't open it.

Speaker 3 I didn't do anything with that thought, but I had the thought.

Speaker 12 At least you're getting there. Yeah.
And maybe by March 15 of 2023, you actually will start reading it. You guys have two of the very rare advanced copies.
There weren't many, and you each got one.

Speaker 12 And I sent them both knowing that the chances of you guys reading them were somewhere between no fucking way and never in a million years.

Speaker 3 Well, actually, Mike, I have mine. I didn't want to take it out of the package that you sent it in because it's worth so much more on the resale market.

Speaker 3 Once these things go and they're gone for good, I'm going to be raking it in. So I'm going to put that sucker on eBay.
What's his name? King Golden says he expects it to get $750,000 bid on it.

Speaker 3 Minimum.

Speaker 12 Can I have it back if I ask nicely?

Speaker 3 Well, that actually is a great segue to bring us to our point of having you on today, which is the Tom Brady ball, the 600 touchdown ball that got given away by Mike Evans to a fan.

Speaker 3 It's our position that the Bucs went over there and they kind of bullied the guy into giving the ball back. And eventually they made it better.
Tom said that he's giving him like a Bitcoin.

Speaker 3 He got a couple signed jerseys, season tickets, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We had a discussion discussion on Sunday's show.
We wanted to get to the bottom of it legally. You're a former lawyer.

Speaker 3 At least you say that you are. Did they have a right to demand the ball back? Or once it gets handed to the fan, does it become his property or her property?

Speaker 12 I actually did research on this. The first legal question I have researched in years.
I quit practicing in 2010. And what I did was...

Speaker 12 Now, look, I don't know whether or not there's some quirk in Florida law. After all, it is Florida.

Speaker 12 There could be some personal property law there that would allow someone who gives someone else something to go reclaim it within a certain period of time, like some sort of, you know, regret law or some BS like that that they've concocted.

Speaker 12 But I looked at the season ticket agreement. I looked at the general ticket agreement.

Speaker 12 I looked for anything in there that would give the Buccaneers the ability to go to someone who got a souvenir, whether it got kicked, thrown, or handed, and say, you have to give give that back.

Speaker 12 And I found nothing. I checked with someone else.
It's a team-by-team procedure. And I guess if you wanted to, you could put a provision like that in the tickets.

Speaker 12 You have all sorts of BS, fine print, boilerplate stuff on a ticket. There's nothing on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers tickets that would give them the right to go get it.

Speaker 12 And think about what a PR debacle it would be. If you have one of your players hand somebody something and then they go and try to take it back.

Speaker 12 Bad customer relations, bad PR, and I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on if it would end up in court.

Speaker 3 That's Washington football team giving. We don't do that.

Speaker 12 Well, and you know, Washington football team would probably be the only team that would try to do something like that, sue a fan over something that ended up in the stands.

Speaker 3 So you're looking up this law. And was there any moment where you're like, what am I doing?

Speaker 12 No, because you guys asked me to do something and I do it. I mean, what the hell? You know, that's what family does.
I'm telling you, we're taping this at noon.

Speaker 12 Eastern, and I have a very rigid Rain Man schedule for my lunch. I'm delaying my lunch fast.
If you guys want me to do something, I do it.

Speaker 3 Well, not only that, I saw that you usually put your power rankings out at exactly noon on Tuesdays. We kind of interfered with that as well.
You had to put them

Speaker 12 had to get them done early. Had to stay up late last night.

Speaker 12 After I researched Florida law, after I read in detail every word of the season ticket agreement for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I got my power rankings done and posted them so I could focus exclusively on preparation for this momentous occasion.

Speaker 3 So no harm, no foul with the fan. It was, you know, the Bucks.

Speaker 3 It's different than baseball. Like, baseball, if you catch the ball, you've caught the ball, and it's like a big accomplishment because you're competing with everyone.

Speaker 3 This, to me, was like a very simple open and shut case of Mike Evans was stupid to give the ball away, and then once they realized the mistake, the fan gets something out of it. He got the Bitcoin.

Speaker 3 He got a lot of stuff. Like, give it back.
I don't know. It's just, it doesn't feel like the same as baseball.
Like, I know everyone's like, he should have left the stadium.

Speaker 3 He should have fucking sold it. Mike Evans screwed up.
Like, Mike Evans was the one who shouldn't have done that.

Speaker 3 And maybe you can blame Tom Brady for not telling him that it was a 600th touchdown pass. But I feel like it was kind of an open shut, hey,

Speaker 3 everyone wins.

Speaker 12 But no, because the guy was given basically a half million dollars if you listen to the experts who value these guys.

Speaker 3 Get it. But it was a mistake.
Like, Mike Evans, if he had known it was a 600th ball, he never would have given it to him.

Speaker 3 It's not like a baseball where it's like hit and then you compete with people for the ball and you get it. And then it's like, oh, we can hold it over their head and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 Like, Mike Evans fucked up.

Speaker 12 What if it's the record-setting home run ball? And I don't know what the single-season record is anymore. I don't know what the all-time record is anymore.

Speaker 12 But what if it's some sort of a record-home run ball?

Speaker 3 That's it. And the guy wants it back.

Speaker 12 And they come find you and say, we want that ball back. It has a lot of meaning to the hitter.

Speaker 3 That's different to me.

Speaker 3 I would hold out on that because getting a home run ball is harder.

Speaker 3 You earned it in a weird way because everyone's competing for a home run ball.

Speaker 3 You bought the ticket. You knew it could be hit.
Like when Barry Bonds was going for the record, everyone was buying tickets, hoping they would get it.

Speaker 3 This is simply Mike Evans handing a ball by accident to a guy. And the guy, he's got a pretty good, he got a pretty good package out of it.

Speaker 3 I know that people are going to say he could have gotten way more. Maybe Bitcoin keeps going up and he gets that million dollars.

Speaker 12 And I have a feeling Tom Brady didn't buy that Bitcoin. I think Tom Brady's crypto sponsor is paying for the Bitcoin.
So he's really not.

Speaker 12 The guy wanted to golf with Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 Shouldn't the guy

Speaker 3 get around the golf with Tom Brady? He will. I bet you he will.
In baseball, if this were the case, if it was applicable, then Zach Campbell would be put to death.

Speaker 3 He would be like public enemy number one. I feel like in football, it is a little bit different because

Speaker 3 you don't buy a ticket for a football game with the expectation that, hey, there's going to be 20, 30 balls that are given away over the course of a game unless they're playing the Jets.

Speaker 12 But we see time and again.

Speaker 12 And I don't know why Mike Evans picked a grown man. We usually see.

Speaker 3 He always does.

Speaker 3 He's an equal opportunity ball giver away. He gives grown men and kids.

Speaker 12 But if you watch highlights on Football Night in America or elsewhere, you see time and again, if you're sitting down there in the vicinity of the end zone, you have a chance of getting a touchdown ball.

Speaker 12 They bring it over and they give it to you. So it's no different than the chance of getting a foul ball at a baseball game.
So I don't buy that argument.

Speaker 3 Look, I think it is different because you're given something versus like actually catching it. Like you're giving it to you.
Like he's like, here, take this. You didn't do anything to earn.

Speaker 3 You just sat there.

Speaker 12 You stood out. You did something to get the guy's attention.
He yelled, Big Mike, and Big Mike brought him the football.

Speaker 3 Big Mike.

Speaker 3 So I mean, I kind of do agree with Florio in the fact that, yeah, it would be kind of a shithead move to not give the ball back when you're asked and with the understanding that you'll get, they'll make it right from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' perspective, and they'll give you a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 It'll be great. It's not really your ball.
It's just dumb luck that you got it in the first place. I agree, it would kind of be a shithead move to do that.
But at the same time, $500,000 is $500,000.

Speaker 6 I would have no problem being labeled a shithead if it is legally my right to hang on to that ball and i know that billy actually did some case law research to look up the legal precedent i'm sure this will be a meeting of the finest legal minds in america billy do you have what did you find out when you when you dug through as a paralegal i just have a question because the ball is technically tampa bay buccaneers team property because they bring their offensive balls to the game they're not the nfl balls that they use for kicking wouldn't they be able to argue that even if the fan wanted to keep it take take the half a million dollars and run out of the stadium, that Mike Evans wasn't an agent of the team to give their property up?

Speaker 6 And since all balls are labeled and under their insurance, that they could just claim ownership of that team.

Speaker 3 That's the agent of the team, though.

Speaker 12 Wow. Well, now

Speaker 12 there's two types of authority: there's actual authority and apparent authority. And he has the apparent authority to scoop up a football on a touchdown he scored and hand it to a fan forever.
Done.

Speaker 11 Over.

Speaker 12 No give backs, no take backs.

Speaker 12 Once that transfer is committed from the fans' perspective, have fans got the right to assume that Mike Evans has the authority to surrender that football based upon the common practice of NFL players to hand over footballs after they score touchdowns.

Speaker 12 Boom roasted.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay. It's not boom-roasted when you get Billy.
It's like you. Did you roast me? I just felt like saying that.
Yeah, this is the, you're not, you're doing it. I like it.

Speaker 12 Billy, Billy may want to reconsider his life choices and go to law school. He articulated a very fine argument there.

Speaker 3 He's had two days to think about that sentence.

Speaker 6 I'm just wondering that if they had a group of lawyers, could they have gotten the ball back from this guy?

Speaker 3 Wouldn't they look like complete assholes if they even tried?

Speaker 3 That Dan Snyder move. That's an only Dan Snyder with the.

Speaker 6 But just technically, like if they wanted to.

Speaker 12 It'd be tough. It'd be tough because he handed him the ball.
And that's what happens at football games. People get handed footballs.

Speaker 12 So, you know, if the guy wanted to dig in for the 500 grand or whatever that ball was going to be worth, and and if he wanted to fight over it, and Brady said it himself last night on the Manning cast, the guy lost all of his leverage when he gave the ball back.

Speaker 12 I mean, he should have gotten that ball. He should have declared to everyone sitting around him, I got to take a dump and disappeared and never come back.

Speaker 12 You got to get out of there with the ball, take it home, and then figure out what to do.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I feel like everyone kind of won in this way.
I know everyone's going to be like $500,000. But again, it feels like Mike Evans is the one who should pay anyway.

Speaker 3 He's the one who fucked up. That's really what it comes down to.
He should have had

Speaker 3 the presence of mind to know not to give that ball away.

Speaker 11 I agree with you.

Speaker 12 And if the guy had taken off with the ball, then Tom Brady could go to Mike Evans and say, you have to buy the ball back from the guy, or you have to wait until he auctions it, whenever he auctions it, and you have to go buy it and give it back to him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that would have been fair. Real quick, Mike, before we let you go, and you can buy playmakers if you're a book person.
I don't know why you're listening to this podcast.

Speaker 3 If you're also a reader, that's kind of weird. But

Speaker 12 thanks very much for that.

Speaker 3 Thanks for helping. Comes up March 15th.
Very excited to read it or sell it. Sure.

Speaker 3 I had a question about the Washington football team and the emails because I know you've been hot on the case of this congressional investigation into Dan Snyder and into those emails.

Speaker 3 Just give me a temperature reading, like scale one to 100.

Speaker 3 How likely is this going to result in Dan Snyder being forced to forfeit the team?

Speaker 12 Too early to tell, but the fact that it's on the congressional radar screen and they intend to push forward and they want a response from the NFL by November 4 and they have the right to issue subpoenas if they want to.

Speaker 12 I'd say once somebody with the power to get to the bottom of it gets involved, it gets north of 50. It was under 50.

Speaker 12 It was well under 50 until somebody decided to peel off some of these secret emails and take out John Gruden. That's when it all changed.

Speaker 12 And then once it got the attention of Congress, and you know, the union could still try to file a lawsuit and get these emails.

Speaker 12 But once, and I believe, frankly, July 1, when the NFL announced its punishment of Dan Snyder, the reason no details were provided is because if we knew the details of the findings of the investigation, it would be as untenable for Snyder to continue as the owner as it was for Gruden to continue as the coach of the Raiders.

Speaker 12 Once we know about it, it's over.

Speaker 12 So if they get to a point where we know about some of the things that Beth Wilkinson, the investigator, found, I think it becomes untenable at that point publicly for Snyder to continue. So

Speaker 12 if we get this information, my gut tells me Snyder's going to have to sell.

Speaker 3 Okay, so I just need one person, one powerful person in Congress to latch onto this like a dog onto one of those guys running around in the fat suits, right?

Speaker 12 You got two. Two people signed the letter to the commissioner, and November 4 is the deadline.

Speaker 12 And it kind of died down because, you know, football is the ultimate source of bright, shiny objects to distract us from the problems because they always got games coming up.

Speaker 12 We had a whole weekend of games, and even though they weren't great games, everyone's forgotten about it.

Speaker 12 Well, Congress hasn't, and they're on the case, and it'll be interesting to see how hard they push and if the NFL cooperates.

Speaker 12 Last week, when they addressed it, all they said was: we look forward to talking to Representative Carolyn Maloney's office. He didn't say we'll cooperate with whatever Congress wants.

Speaker 3 All right, last question.

Speaker 3 Percentage chance Deshaun Watson is traded in the next, whatever, seven days, 10 days.

Speaker 12 95. Although, 95 is, hey, listen, 95 is the kiss of death.

Speaker 12 I should say 94.9 because I've learned anytime anybody says there's a 95% chance of something happening, it never happens. So 94.9% chance.
Miami, 75, Carolina, 25.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 12 Let me go Carolina, 24, 1%,

Speaker 12 some crazy wildcard team. But Miami's the favorite.
And it's up to Deshaun. He's got the no-trade clause.
He will choose his next destination.

Speaker 11 Miami first.

Speaker 12 Then Carolina. The chances of him being with the Texans next Tuesday after the trade deadline, very, very, very, very small.

Speaker 3 Wow. So

Speaker 3 does Roger Goodell go God mode and put him on the exempt list and say, guess what? You're not playing after he gets traded?

Speaker 12 He makes no decisions until he has to. And they haven't made a decision because he's not playing now.
Once he's traded, they'll look at the circumstances that will exist when a trade happens.

Speaker 12 And, you know, the circumstances can change. They almost settled the 22 cases against Deshaun Watson four or five months ago.

Speaker 12 And they had the talks bogged down on the question of whether or not the settlement would be confidential. That means they already had a number number in mind.

Speaker 12 You don't start haggling over whether or not it's going to be a secret settlement if you don't know what the settlement's going to be. That could be done at any time.

Speaker 12 And if those cases are settled when he's traded, the commissioner could look at it differently and decide to let him play.

Speaker 12 Either way, they're going to get criticized, but they're not going to make a decision until they have to.

Speaker 3 Okay. Well, thanks for coming on.

Speaker 3 Playmakers comes out sometime in March. There's a 95% chance I'll read it.
So thank you for sending that away, Mike. Yeah, I thought about it.
That's a big step. That's a big step.

Speaker 12 That's good. I assume that your kid will get his hands on it and rip all the pages out

Speaker 12 and like draw on it. Go ahead.
Let him draw on it. Let him have some fun.
If you're never going to read it, at least use that paper for something.

Speaker 3 Okay, I will. Maybe roll a joint because I know you like to smoke weed.

Speaker 3 That's actually the great selling point of Mike's book, Playmakers Out March 15th. Each page is actually

Speaker 3 rolling paper, so you can smoke. You can smoke with it and actually halfway through 50 yeah halfway through you know how they have the pictures it's actually it changes to blunt paper so

Speaker 3 buy Mike Florio's book and smoke a bunch of joints with it well done okay that's the best endorsement we're gonna get all right thanks Mike see you mike thanks thanks guys all right see ya

Speaker 3 Okay, let's wrap up. Thanks to Mike Florio and Dick for meal.
Let's wrap up with some guys on chicks. Hank, Henry,

Speaker 3 Henry, daniel

Speaker 3 henry hi dad cat pup punk legend and the crew i just got my nipples pierced and i was wondering if you all could explain how this will change my body slash sex life slash future motherhood well you got hotter i have no idea to be honest with you yeah you got more intimidating probably hotter probably better at sex yeah and hotter uh i don't know and you might you might chip some teeth with it yeah i've always wondered about that i don't really understand the whole nip the body piercing thing

Speaker 3 It makes me really sound like an old fart, but I don't.

Speaker 3 Nose piercings, I don't think, are very attractive.

Speaker 3 Ears, okay, but anything else, lip. Wow.
Yeah, it's very judgmental. I don't even know you're a nosist.

Speaker 3 Have you ever seen a nose ring that you're like, that's a good, that's good? Yeah. Really? I like nose rings.
I don't like the ones that go through the middle. I like the ones on the outside.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I do. I feel like little baby ones.
Yeah, those are cute. I love them.

Speaker 3 Also, when you breastfeed, it's going to be like one of those super soakers that shoots in different directions.

Speaker 3 So that's going to be

Speaker 3 care of.

Speaker 3 Hi, Big Cat PF Teen Hank. Hypothetically speaking, if someone was going to slide into Billy Football's DMs, what would you say?

Speaker 3 Ribbit.

Speaker 3 No, I would say,

Speaker 3 hey, sup, Billy.

Speaker 3 Got this crazy story about an offensive lineman in high school in Texas who ate a pancake before he pancaked someone.

Speaker 3 Also, what's your number? I think, yeah, it's pretty self-explanatory. Just from if you've listened to the show, it should not be a mystery.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 he's looking hot today in his boots. He's got his fuck boots on.

Speaker 3 Leave me alone. Just be like, those are absurd.
I'm

Speaker 3 water, like, okay, so now Billy's wearing straight-up cowboy boots. And he's just like, Billy, are you going to the honky-tonk later? And he was like, well, there's water outside.
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 I feel like those being your waterproof boots is a little bit wild.

Speaker 3 They are nice boots.

Speaker 6 There's like a foot of water outside of my door. So what I do is I take two garbage bags and I put them around the boot and inside the boot so they're waterproof.

Speaker 3 Wait, but why wouldn't you just get waterproof boots in your little boots, don't you?

Speaker 6 I was going to ask for them for Christmas because I need a new pair.

Speaker 3 Okay, ask right now.

Speaker 3 What was. You got an alternate under you liked this week?

Speaker 3 Would you like some waterproof boots? Yeah, how about if Billy gives us a winner this weekend? Yeah. An alternate under a winner.
Okay, so

Speaker 6 in the pick, in the pick thing, I am exactly 50. I'm thinking if I'm that good at picking 50, I might as well start trying to go for the top.

Speaker 3 Oh!

Speaker 6 Because I might just start giving only winners.

Speaker 3 Okay, fuck. Like, I've got exactly 50.
That's dangerous.

Speaker 6 Wow. I might actually only start be giving winners.
Okay.

Speaker 3 All right, well, we'll get you some new boots for Christmas.

Speaker 6 I actually would love some of those waders, those Georgia boots.

Speaker 3 Okay. Waiters.
For Christmas?

Speaker 3 Send them to me. Yeah.
If you're a good boy,

Speaker 3 you're not going to make him earn them.

Speaker 3 You have to give Big Cat an alternate under, and then if that hits him,

Speaker 3 or an alternate over. Okay.
I'll find it. I'll find it.
It's got 10 points. 10-point differential.
I'll bet it. And if I hit it, I will get you some boots.

Speaker 6 Waiters, please.

Speaker 3 Waiter, whatever you want. What about Crocs? That's why baby wants more than Crocs.

Speaker 6 The Crocs. No more Crocs? No, because this water is pretty dirty.
Like, there's sewage in it. And Jersey water.

Speaker 3 Toe shoes. Sewy water.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I need waiters.

Speaker 3 Sup, boys. How come when a man gets lightly tapped at his balls, it hurts so bad.
But when you're doing doggy style, the balls are clanking and that doesn't hurt I need answers because we're liars

Speaker 3 it's a big it's a big lie that men have told each other that we've kept you on the outside of our balls never hurt when you hit them it's just something funny that's why we always laugh when we see a guy get hit in the nuts that's why this podcast almost broke up yeah nut taps yeah it hurts a lot it's like a fun thing where it's like ha all these women actually believe that we're in pain I I don't know the answer to this this makes no sense you're this person's right I think it's like a concussion oh because like you know when you get hit in the head you don't get concussed all the time.

Speaker 6 But sometimes you get hit in a certain way. Your brain tears that from the lining of your skull, and that's concussion.
God, I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 3 I think it's like when you get shot,

Speaker 3 or no, it's like, or I don't know, like when you get shot, but you don't feel it for a second because of shock. Like, your head is so like...
Oh, God. There's blood going other places.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 you're feeling the fuck. Yeah.
You're not thinking about the pain. That's probably right.
Whereas

Speaker 3 when you get nut tapped, you're just all you can do is think about the pain. Yeah, I think as guys are fucking, we're incapable of thinking about anything else at all.

Speaker 3 So you could, yeah, you could walk up and stab us in our back while we're having sex and be like, this is awesome. I'm getting laid.

Speaker 3 What were you going to say? I have enough. I mean, this doesn't make any sense.
I'm not a doctor, so this is probably dead wrong. But like, maybe, like,

Speaker 3 semen comes from the balls, right? Yeah. So maybe, like, also pee, also pee.
But, like, maybe when you get tapped in the balls out of nowhere, all the semen's down there.

Speaker 3 But when you're fucking, it's, like, not, still down it's like working its way up ah so it's this semen that gets it's not the balls aren't clanging as much semen is the thing i don't know that i literally just made that up i think you're right i think you're right you're thinking that the semen have nerves yeah because they're little tails if you nut tap someone who hasn't jerked off in a long time it hurts even more right is that right no right no that's right all right what's up i'm sure someone right

Speaker 3 what's up dad cat short king pft honk and the rest of you my husband has been sober for three years and would much rather play video games than go out to a bar or party with me.

Speaker 3 Our friends usually ask after him and I make up excuses for him and they totally get it. Mostly because they know he loves gaming more than me.

Speaker 3 I'm typically fine doing my own thing most of the time, but we got invited to a Halloween party and I really don't want to make an excuse for him, but he also really doesn't want to go, even though he loves wearing his banana costume most years.

Speaker 3 Am I an asshole for pushing him to come with me? Any ideas on how I can convince him? Offering sexual favors doesn't really do the trick.

Speaker 3 Anyway, thanks for help. Love Love you guys.
This one's a layup, in my opinion.

Speaker 6 Whatever game he plays, just buy him the costume of his favorite character.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 Just be like, oh, I got you a Master Chief costume. Like, let's go to this party.

Speaker 3 I like that, Billy.

Speaker 6 He's like, yeah,

Speaker 3 that's really good, Billy. You could also just buy him whatever game he wants, or, I don't know, headset, chair, gaming chair.

Speaker 3 Also, tell him to Mountain Dew. Tell him to just suck it up.
Everyone has to do shit together.

Speaker 3 The only thing that difference is he's sober and so maybe going to a party maybe that might sound like he doesn't want to do anything yeah

Speaker 3 so i think it's probably

Speaker 3 the problem with not drinking is everywhere you go everybody drinks all the time just tell him to go to the beginning like be like we'll go for the first two hours before everyone gets drunk

Speaker 3 sup fellas my boyfriend has a cat is this a red flag yes

Speaker 3 yeah it depends on how he procured the cat if he caught it by himself in the wild it plays.

Speaker 3 Or rescued. Or rescued.
Or if he lost a bet and had to get it. Yep.
I think that's a good thing, too. Yep.
Any other reason, red flag.

Speaker 3 If you just decided one, if you woke up one morning and he was like, you know what?

Speaker 3 I'm sick of being catless in my life. Well, here's the red flag.
Here's the spin zone. If you date your,

Speaker 3 you say boyfriend already? Yeah. Okay.
You can cheat on him and he'll take you back. Like as a cat guy.
That's absolutely. He'll be like, you know what? It is my fault.

Speaker 3 I didn't pay enough attention to you.

Speaker 3 Sorry, you cheated.

Speaker 3 PFT in the football team. All right, last one.
Excuse me?

Speaker 3 I took my boyfriend to a bad.

Speaker 3 Beg your pardon?

Speaker 3 That's a callback. That's a callback.
That's a callback. Yeah, I know I'm in an abusive relationship.
Okay? I get it. I know I am.

Speaker 3 So I took my boyfriend to a restaurant with Arcade Games. We wanted to do a little challenge.
He thought he would beat me 10-0.

Speaker 3 Short story, I beat him 8-2, and he acts like he was trying not to win, and he could beat me if he really wanted to.

Speaker 3 What do I need to do so he stops crying? Billy?

Speaker 6 Until he blacked out that whole question.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's probably good.

Speaker 3 I think it was just you. I think you.
I think it was about you. Yeah.
I think Jake wrote in

Speaker 3 to try to get a tip on how to make you feel better. Stop crying.

Speaker 6 I just, I can't stop crying.

Speaker 3 Do you actually know what the question's about?

Speaker 3 It's about Dave Bustard's.

Speaker 3 Oh, there you go.

Speaker 3 That was some prime context clues you used there to figure that one out. It also shows that David Bustard's experience is still very close to the top of his mind.
He's blacked it out.

Speaker 3 Are you okay?

Speaker 3 Everyone's okay. Okay.
It's not okay to be okay. Tell us what you were laughing about the entire first section.
Yes, please.

Speaker 3 It's not okay to be okay.

Speaker 3 That's not it. That's not that.

Speaker 3 I actually think that depressed people should start saying that. It's not okay to be okay.
Like, fuck you for being okay. That's how it's fighting back.

Speaker 3 It's the exact same thing as saying it's okay to not be be able to. Yeah, yeah.
Start fighting back. Tell us what you're doing.
Negative vibes only. I'm actually.
You're goofing. You're season.

Speaker 6 Tell us. One thing on my phone was hilarious.

Speaker 3 Tell us. It was a text from a friend.
You laughed for

Speaker 3 honestly 10 minutes. Come on.
Okay. No contacts.
Just give it a second. Just give us the text.
Read the text word for word. No, I can't.
Read it. No, I can't.
It's an order. No, it's not.
It is.

Speaker 3 I just gave you an order. It's not an order.
Yes, I can give you orders. I'm your boss.
Says who? Says me. I'm your boss.

Speaker 6 Hank's my boss, technically.

Speaker 3 That's not true. That's not true.
That's on paper. Hank's my boss.
Hank, would you like to give him an order? Yes, I demand you. Well, Hank's not actually.
Oh, he gives you a demand.

Speaker 3 So now you're a liar.

Speaker 6 It's not an order.

Speaker 3 Guys, can we just move on? No. You disrupted the show.
So it's over. And we're not leaving until you read the text.
Okay, whales

Speaker 3 can explode. No.

Speaker 3 You guys are not budgeting on this. No.

Speaker 3 Okay, you're not fired, but you're suspended for a week.

Speaker 3 When you were coming back full-time, I specifically requested to not be your boss because I would kill you otherwise. You're off the show for a week.

Speaker 3 Make your choice.

Speaker 3 Take that deal.

Speaker 3 One,

Speaker 3 two. Come on, guys.
Just get the sentence, something.

Speaker 6 His friend wants a job at Barstool.

Speaker 3 What? That's not bad. Why did you giggle?

Speaker 3 Because he thinks his friend's an idiot? Because his friend wants to sleep with

Speaker 3 Jake. Jake.
Was he like my fucking idiot

Speaker 3 wants a job? Don't give it to him.

Speaker 6 No, I said he has to be like clinically an idiot.

Speaker 3 To work here? You said the R-word. No, I didn't.
You just said, what else does clinically an idiot mean?

Speaker 3 He's got to be mentally an idiot. He's got to mentally be an idiot.
It's pretty odd. You did a terrible job of disguising that one.

Speaker 3 He's got to have idiot syndrome. He's got to be clinically idiotic.

Speaker 3 Sorry that my friend is medically dumb.

Speaker 3 All right. Numbers.
Don't tell me what I said. Eight.
93. 97.

Speaker 3 Six.

Speaker 6 69. Whales sometimes randomly explode if they're dead.

Speaker 3 15.

Speaker 3 New number.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 3 How many got left?

Speaker 3 14. Wow.
All right. All right.
Love you guys.

Speaker 3 I'll be your dream, I'll be your wish. I'll be your fantasy.

Speaker 11 I'll be your own, I'll be your love, be everything that you need.

Speaker 11 I love you more with everybody, truly, madly, deeply do.

Speaker 11 I will be strong, I will be fighting, hope

Speaker 11 I'm happy.

Speaker 11 A reason more living,

Speaker 11 a demon.

Speaker 11 I wanna die with you out of mountain.

Speaker 11 I wanna be

Speaker 11 with you in the single.

Speaker 11 Oh, I wanna be like

Speaker 11 forever.

Speaker 11 Until the sky falls down on me.

Speaker 11 And when you strongly shining on me, the mouth is strong.

Speaker 11 I'll make a witch and victory to heaven. And I knew all in Lord.

Speaker 11 Holding the throne of the pleasure and the certainty.

Speaker 11 Always surrounded by the comfort and protection of the highest power.

Speaker 11 In lovely our

Speaker 11 resources,

Speaker 11 I wanna day where you're in the city.

Speaker 11 I want a day

Speaker 11 like this

Speaker 11 forever

Speaker 11 and the tears of the sun looks out on me.

Speaker 11 What's out on me?