Charles Oakley, Pete Prisco On Urban Meyer, WC Game, CFB Talk & Bring Your Lunch Pail With Jersey Jerry

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Today is Wednesday, October 6th, and we're about to time travel. So, here's the setting.
It is 2 o'clock in the afternoon, 2.30 in the afternoon. We're going to make our predictions, and then in a second, you're going to hear us time travel and react to the Red Sox-Yankees one-game wildcard.
As you can hear, there's some sirens in the back. Fuck you, Pete.
So let's go around the room, predictions, and then we'll kick it to ourselves at 11 p.m. tonight after the game.
Hank, you start. 11 p.m.? Well, I mean, oh yeah, actually, it's Red Sox-Yanke Probably, like, 1 in the morning.
This game is never going to end. I think it's going to be Red Sox 6, Yankees 4.
Whoa. So take the over.
Yeah, take the over. Over Red Sox-Moneyline.
Maybe a little parlay. Okay.
A little parlay. All right.
Nice. Nice.
I'm going to go Yankees. The fuck? 5-4.
Well, I've got reasons, Hank. I'm sure you do.
Can I explain why? I guess. I'm listening to what the universe is telling me.
The Powerball number that was drawn in Boston was 1-9-7-8, 1978. 1978, the Red Sox blew like a 20-game lead over the Yankees.
Went to a one-game playoff tiebreaker game. Yankees win 5-4.
Yankees go on to win the World Series over the Dodgers. That's what's happening this year.
Oh, wow. Okay.
The universe talks. You need to listen.
All right. I'm going to go with...
You know what? I'll go Red Sox 4-3. Under.
Under. Yikes.
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like...
No, fuck that. Fuck that.
That would suck. Red Sox 9-8.
Okay. 9-8.
Thank8 okay yeah thank you thank you bombs everywhere so we're all agreeing the over sitting and uh my good friend on the field not off or i'll just chapman will blow the game because that is kind of what he does now so it will be a very back and forth fun game crazy game uh rizzo's gonna hit three home runs schwarber two home home runs. So it's going to be like, wow, the Cubs.
It's going to basically be a 2016 Cubs montage. Whatever happens, I just hope that either Stanton or Judge.
I would prefer it if Judge struck out five times tonight, actually. It'd be cool if the Yankees won, but still Judge just can't get a hit this postseason.
Someone needs to be blamed. I need a story that's going to start

bubbling up. It's going to make people...

Give somebody easy to point the finger at.

Garrett Cole getting chased after

two innings would be great. Oh, that'd be amazing.

Very fun to watch. Alright, Jake?

Schwarber going yard off Cole

hitting the ball 500 feet.

It'd be amazing. I'm going to go Yankees

7, Red Sox 5. Look for an unlikely

hero in the name of Andrew Velasquez or Greg Allen for the Yankees I can't quite hear you Jake Do you have a mask on? Yes, there you go Jake, trying to protect you guys Thank you Jake, I appreciate it 7-5 Yankees Unlikely hero in the name of Andrew Velazquez or Greg Allen And then Billy, right before we kick ourselves, kick it to ourselves I'm going to go 6-3 Yankees I think Stanton Judge are going to be popping off Okay, now. Yeah.
And then Billy, right before we kick ourselves, kick it to ourselves. I'm going to go 6-3 Yankees.
I think Stanton Judge are going to be popping off. Okay, so that's going to be a little more.
Yeah, now that we've all said this, it's going to be a 2-1 game. Absolutely.
And terrible to watch. I admire the balls on Hank to get mad at me for rooting against one of his teams in his face.
Hank would never do that. Nope.
Ever. Well, I'm just trying to do a little research, PFT.
I'm not seeing any hits for this Powerball story.

You're not?

I could be wrong.

What research are you doing?

I'm curious.

Boston Powerball.

Powerball 1978.

Okay.

Where did you see it?

Okay, I'm going to bring some facts to this fight right now.

Sorry, the evening number for the Massachusetts lottery was was 1978. Massachusetts Lottery.
Yes. Interesting.
All right. Okay.
There we go. Sorry, not the Powerball.
So let's kick it to ourselves. Here we are.
Okay. Game in the books.
Some of us were right. Some of us were wrong.
The Red Sox go to the next round. They beat the Yankees 6-2.
The story of the night, besides Hank, we'll let you talk about your Red Sox.

we have to though address the greatest call of all time

John Sterling

calling a Stantonian home run

that

did not go out of Fenway Park

did not even result in a double

it was a single and he gives us

one of the greatest lines Stantonian home run that did not go out of Fenway Park,

did not even result in a double.

It was a single.

And he gives us one of the greatest lines I've ever heard in broadcasting

history when he just said, what did I do wrong?

What did I miss?

Let's play it.

The pitch to Stanton.

There it goes.

Deep left.

It is high.

It is far.

That is God out of the ballpark. A Stantonian home run.
Now, what did I do wrong? What did I see wrong? He's at first base. I can't get enough of this call.
It is so goddamn funny. And I honestly think, like, as bad as the Yankees looked and Garrett Cole looked and how much money they spent on Garrett Cole, this call is bigger than the game.
So you can take solace in that, Yankee fans, that, like, we can just make fun of this and just forget that Garrett Cole's a complete joke. Huge winner, Tom Brenneman, because this was a deep drive to left.
What's funny is the call itself was stantonian in a way like it instantly became stantonian because it overtook the hit that stan had off the green monster even though it didn't even hit high up off the off the wall it hit kind of the first one halfway down towards the base second one was a much longer drive that he hit um legacy game for the Green Monster overall, though. We don't talk enough.
We don't give enough credit to how ridiculous the Green Monster is of a thing. I love that baseball has that, the little unique quirks about the ballparks.
And even right field in Boston is a hilarious little place, too. But what is showing by the Green Monster tonight? It is very funny, too.
It makes me miss the hill in the middle of Astro Stadium, in the middle of center field that was just so, so dangerous. And the pool.
Yeah, and the pool. So, Hank, you obviously – winner gets to speak first.
We'll then let Jake and Billy go. That was a good night for the Red Sox.
They march on. They have to face the Rays now, but anytime you can beat the Yankees, I would say that's a very, very good night, right? Absolutely.
Uh, always good to be the Yankees. Also at some point at the end of the broadcast, I couldn't tell if the announcer was trolling, but he was like, no one really expected the Red Sox to do anything this year.
So like they're exceeding all expectations. So I feel like being one of the highest payrolls and being an underdog in the playoffs, no matter what, is a good thing.
Will you use that to our advantage against the Rays? What they were saying is, like, we fucked up at the start of the season and didn't think that they were going to do a good job. But, yeah, you're right.
Like, they did. They're always going to have expectations if it's the Red Sox or the Yankees.
Yeah. Now, Jake, Billy, anything you'd like to say? Jake, maybe, I mean, Billy did tell us that he was, oh, Billy, hey, what's up, Whitey? That's Billy's dog, if you're listening, not watching.
Not just some random person in Billy's apartment. Jake, why don't you start? Yeah.
So first off on the John Sterling call, usually I tiptoe around broadcasting miscues. I have no excuses here.
He was in the stadium. It wasn't a Remy broadcast.
It was just tough all the way around. Sorry, if you can finish what you're going to say.
No, I mean, you could say his age. I mean, he is a broadcasting legend.
He never misses games, but this one you miss and no,

no call is ever going to be perfect, but you miss this one.

I think, I think it's the combo of Stantonian.

And then to just like, it almost was like he,

he was talking to no one.

And I just think of like the poor person who is like driving home from work.

They had to work late and they're like, I missed the first inning because it was the first inning. And like everyone's been in that spot where they're listening to a game on the radio and the broadcaster gets too excited.
And it's like a warning track shot. If you were listening to that, that's a no doubter out of Fenway Park over the Green Monster.
Out of the stadium. Out of the stadium.
Out of the state. It's a Stantonian home run.
And then to have him just be like, just very plainly be like, what did I miss? I will say if he was calling it off of a monitor, I do think the, the cameraman screwed up too. Yeah.
But again, he was there. So you can't use that as an excuse.
He was there, but he, like you said, in his 80s. I wouldn't be surprised if he was looking at the monitor to give him a little more help because that's closer to his eyeballs.
And the camera guy did get faked out big time. It was like on a really sick play action pass in the NFL.
And so did Matt Vaskoja on the ESPN broadcast. Yes, he was bad too.
Billy? I shut it off when Judge got thrown out at home. Like us as the Billy household didn't have a good time.
Just started watching Squid Game. All-time terrible send by Phil Nevin there.
All-time terrible send. And I mean, that kind of changed the game right there.
Like that was because it was a 3-1 game. And like you finally get Evaldi out of the game who pitched incredible.
Guy comes in, you know, first to batter. He hits that.
And then like you get your second out at home plate. That was brutal.
I'm not, is being a third base coach sneaky, like a really, really difficult job, especially compared to being a first base coach where you just kind of stand there and scratch yourself and then pick up their shoulder. Yeah.
Yeah. That's, that's, that's all you do at first base, but third base, when there's a ball hit to the outfield, especially with the green monster, you're doing all the calculations in your head in like real time and you're going to fuck everything up it's almost impossible to do um but uh the third base coach obviously for the yankees did a bad job the third base coach for the red sox also fucked up but he got bailed out because he changed it at the last second he's like stop no go go stop and then they just really ended up getting an easy run out of it turns out but yeah it was uh that's a tough job my heart goes out to guys.
I don't think that I, yeah, I mean, it's a hard job, but also it's like, that's your only job. And like, if your only job is to know exactly how good of an arm everyone has and how good everyone is throwing and also know the moment that it's a 3-1 game, you finally got the starter out of the game.
You have, you would have second and third with one out. it's a crazy scent it is it's a crazy scent and it wasn't even a great relay and they had him out by a sick you know like a pretty easily um the only other thing i have is obviously and i knew this was going to happen the former cubs just fucking mashed rizzo and schwarber both homered schwarber hits home runs.
Like they are just so fucking beautiful. Like his swing is so compact.
And if you throw him anything high like that and he gets it like chest high, he's just going to, it looks like a guy. It looks like a kid playing wiffle ball, but he gets the big red bat and he just gets to mash and everyone else is using the skinny yellow bat.
Like that's what it looks like when he he hits a home run. Did he hit a home run Big Cat in the World Series when we were there? In the World Series? The Grand Slam.
Was that someone else? No, that was Miguel Montero when we were in the – That was the beer shower. Yeah, that was the beer shower.
Yeah, I thought that was – That was in the NLCS, not the World Series. The home run that they showed, obviously, because it also came off Garrett Cole back in the wild card game was at 2015.
And it was in Pittsburgh, right? Because I love watching that home run because the sky is just pitch black. And you just see this pure white ball just like going off into the dark.
It looks like he had a comment. He made a comment happen with his back.
And the story from that one, which I can neither confirm or deny, but I've heard from multiple sources is that Kyle Schwarber, after hitting that home run, went in the tunnel of the Cubs dugout and just screamed at the top of his lungs, suck my fucking dick, Pittsburgh, because he was so jacked up. So he's just a guy who everyone should root for because he's just fun but that was that was a nice little like oh yeah it's uh it's nice that swarburn riso are having big hits and uh yeah these guys should be on my team but what are you gonna do uh hank do you think oh one last thing or one other thing garrett cole is a bum like you you get paid 300 million dollars you have to you have to make it out of the third inning in that game.
You just have to, you can't like, there's no excuse. Like you are the ACE.
You're the guy that was brought there for that reason. The fact that you get chased is so, so despicable.
And like Yankee fans were talking all year about how Garrett Cole's their guy. It's that's brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal to have happen.
Turns out he misses the spider attack a little bit. Yeah.
Two innings, it's tough. If I was managing that game, I would leave him out for at least another couple innings just because, listen, we're paying you this much money.
You're going to get us out of this mess. This is not on me.
Yeah. Honestly, if he had pitched five and given up three earned runs, you could at least be like, well, he battled.
He didn't even battle. Like, you can't – you just can't excuse that.
It's a fucking despicable – Yankee fans should be sick to their stomach. Also, real Yankee fans shouldn't have even watched this game because the Yankees – that doesn't count as the playoffs and it's World Series or bust, even though they haven't been in the World Series in like a decade.
Billy? I was just pissed that he didn't get caught using Spide Attack. You know what I'm saying? Like, if he was going to come out that bad, I wish he was trying at least with Spide Attack everywhere.
He should have cheated. He should have cheated.
Absolutely. You have to start cheating at this point.
At two innings in, you're going to get the hook. You're making $300 million.
You have to start cheating. If I was the Red Sox, I would have fucked with him.
I would have actually asked the umpire to go out there and search him for Spider-Tak and be like, we think he's actually even worse than he's playing right now. Yes, yes.
Hank, anything else? How do you feel about the next round? Any parting shots? I mean, we're underdogs tonight. Love an underdog.
We're underdogs in the series. You know how I feel about underdogs.
It's just also hilarious for Yankees fans that Stanton somehow, like against all odds, had two of the worst at-bats where he got hits. Yeah.
Like both of those at-bats were, you know, all things considered, in a vacuum, like great at-bats. And when you put it in context, like it was miserable.
Like all Yankees fans got hyped up in the first inning for a single. And then all of the momentum, like my, that was, that's a great thing about sports where it's like, you, you felt the momentum completely shift when you hit it because he smoked the ball.
You thought it was going to be a home run. Then it hit the top of the fence.
I go, thank God. And then somehow they threw them out all in the course of 20 seconds.
And then the momentum's completely back on your side. And you're like, Oh, we're going to win this game.
It was absolutely the changing point because again, like of all D was, was really, really good for the five. Yeah.
He was at 71 pitches. That was, that was crazy.
That was like, there's that it's one of those things where analysts and shit should get thrown out the window at some point in the playoffs where it's like if you have a pitcher who has 71 pitches in the sixth inning he's pitching well like just give him give him let him get one or two runs like he let up one bomb to Rizzo and like the Aaron Judge was like a dribbler like he beat out us yeah yeah anything else from anyone I will say I think Stanton's on his way to pinstripe status. I don't think he's there.
I think he had a very good season and shut up the haters. He was very good.
I think it's him and Judge are staying, everyone else on the market. Jake, you can't know.
Offensively, offensively. Rizzo.
Rizzo. Rizzo wanted to get.
Rizzo has nothing to do with the Yankees. He was looking at the Red Sox bench like, oh.
Rizzo is – he definitely has his pinstripes, so that will be sad. But he earned them through and through.
He's the only guy on the Yankees that has heart and who cares. So he should get his pinstripes.
But, yeah, I mean, it's going to be tough because you lose Brett Gardner, another pinstripe guy. Yeah.
Only one left from the last World Series. Got a lot of pinstripes left on the team.
It's going to be a tough season. It's just Rizzo.
Rizzo is the only true Yankee that they have right now. Brett Gardner counts.
He does count because he won a World Series, so you have to give him pinstripes. But yeah, it's Rizzo and Brett Gardner.
The longest and the shortest Yankee. I'm taking away Jake's ability to give pinstripes out for saying that Stanton should get pinstripes.
Absolutely dogged it out of the batter's box on that first single. He stopped.
He took a picture. He pulled out an easel.
He set up a frame in a chair, smoked a cigarette, and tried to do a charcoal etching of his home run as it was in midair. He actually he had a worse call of his own home run than they did on the radio.
There was like a helicopter or something flying above that, like altered the trajectory of the ball or something. You go and skip Bayless, Mason crossbar on us? No, but just think about it.
Like not only did the TV broadcaster, the player, and the radio broadcaster all were so, so wrong. Like I thought Sterling was on a delay or on a watching a monitor for the whole time until like, no, he was in the stadium.
I mean, I thought it was a home run too. I mean, it was, it was absolutely smoked.
So yeah, it just died up there. You know what it looked like? It looked like when not to just keep talking about wiffle ball, but it did look like when you squeeze the wiffle ball and pitch it.
And it's like, you know, like when it's dented and it comes off the bat and like you could hit it really hard and it won't go anywhere. That's kind of what it looked like.
That home run was a Mandela effect that we all saw. We all saw a home run happen.
Everybody that was watching in real time, but then it just ended up being the worst single that I've ever seen. What did I do wrong? What did I do wrong? All right, let's kick it to ourselves back in studio.
Okay, that was the A.O. Wild Card game.
Now we're back to real time. Fun little time travel.
How are you feeling, Hank? This is the best part. I feel great.
Yeah, okay. I feel that was awesome.
That was just an awesome game. All right, let's talk some Monday Night Football and maybe some college football.
So Chargers, Raiders, lightning delay, one of the weirdest lightning delays ever. We learned a lot about this new stadium and the fact that it's a canopy, which makes – it blows my mind.
I don't really understand it, but it's an indoor-outdoor stadium that I'm sure is going to suck for the Super Bowl, right? I think it's not so much like a dome as it is a giant tent. Yes.
So it's got big walls, but then a huge gap, and then there's a space between that and the roof. So if lightning could come in at the top, it could hit fans.
Yeah. And then Steve Young said, but lightning doesn't travel sideways.
I don't know. We'll have to check Steve Young's meteorology degree.
I'm not sure about that one,

but it is progress for the Chargers to have fans that they have to worry about protecting.

Right.

A few of them.

That's something that is growing pains for the franchise.

Mostly Raider fans.

I also loved Booger in a very relatable moment.

They announced that there was going to be a 25-minute delay,

and I think Susie Colbert was like,

what is everyone doing in the locker room?

He's like, they're probably stripping down, taking off all their tape, like getting into shorts. And Steve Young was like, in 25 minutes? And Booger's like, yup.
Yup. Like, I don't think so, Booger.
But it was a great, like, I hate being in all this shit. Fat guy's got to, like, get into some comfortable gear real quick.
Yeah, he's like, Susie, I would take my clothes off. Yeah, I would probably start a movie.
Just time management was very funny there. But the Chargers are very good.
We saw the makings of September Raiders that we all fall for starting to rear their ugly head. Now they play the Bears next week, so I'm sure they'll be fine there.
But it was definitely one of those games where it's like, the Chargers are for real, for real, and the Raiders just like we always thought are probably going to find a way to finish like 8-9 or 9-8 and have everyone be like, remember when they were 3-0 and that was awesome. Yeah, the only thing the Raiders have going from besides having like one of the best hitting safeties in the NFL with Hunter Renfro is they have a play that they run run three times a game where it's just Henry Ruggs that gets behind the defense.
And you're like, oh shit, I forgot that Henry Ruggs existed. And then he just shows up five yards past the secondary.
It's becoming, he doesn't have, they don't use him in the short passing game like Tyreek Hill, but it's similar in the fact that you're right, there will be moments in the game where it's like, wait, Henry Ruggs just running faster than everyone down the field yeah i would just run that play to him every time yes if he's faster than everybody around him but uh yeah the story was the chargers are awesome the chargers are really good i think that they are the best team in the afc right now i think they're the most complete wow shot across the bills i think hurts well okay the winner of the chiefs bills game is going be tied with the Chargers for No. 1 in the AFC right now.
But I think they're the most complete team. The defense is awesome.
Defensive line is really good. The offensive line sucked last year, and they fixed that.
Their new tackle, Rashawn Slater. Yep, from Northwestern.
He hasn't allowed a sack since October 2018. Yeah, he's very, very good.
But then he has to go up against Miles Garrett this week. So that could all change very, very quickly.
Yes, it could. But yeah, the Chargers are, I think they're for real, for real.
And I'd also like to acknowledge the Chargers theme song as being one that we don't talk about enough on the show. It is legitimately a great song.
Yes. The San Diego Super Chargers.
Yes. Funk, it sounds like it's Casey and the Sunshine Band.
Really good stuff. Yes.
So there we go. Acknowledged.
Yes. Credit to that song.
Two thumbs up. Acknowledged.
All right. Let's talk some college football, maybe a little bit.
So we usually talk college football on Wednesdays because we have so much to talk about on Sunday. This past weekend was essentially, oh, yeah, Georgia and Alabama are way better than everyone else.
Lane Kiffin with the popcorn comment, I love Lane Kiffin. We've had him on the show.
We want him on the show again. But you can't say bring your popcorn and then just get the shit kicked out of you.
So right after he said that, he realized that he fucked up and he walked over to his offensive coordinator and said, hey, I kind of fucked up and said get your popcorn. So I don't know what the game plan is, but if you could score maybe twice as many points as you were planning on, that'd be great for me.
Also a tip, if you're going to say like get your popcorn or some kind of saying, make sure that there's not an emoji that people can tweet about it. You know what I mean? Because then everyone just tweets popcorns, and then it becomes a big thing.
But yeah, that and Georgia. Georgia's first team defense not allowing a touchdown this year, and we're in week six, is pretty fucking crazy.
That was like an all-out ass-kicking. And I don't even think Arkansas is bad.
It wasn't even Arkansas, oh, my God, they're bad. It was just Georgia's defense is that good, and they deserve that much credit.

And, yeah, I mean, it's wild to see, especially after the last few years where it became offense's king, to have almost a throwback with Georgia

just being like, we're going to kick the shit out of everyone with our defense.

I would love to see what would happen in a matchup right now

of Georgia's defense against Alabama's offense,

because if the last five years have taught us anything,

it would still probably be like 30-0 Alabama. But their defense is that good where I want to see the matchup.
We spent a little bit too much time, I think, talking about Sam Pittman taking his shirt off and not enough time talking about what Sam Pittman should be wearing on his head because he's dealing with some significant scalp burn. He's not a visor guy.
He's not a hat guy. He's a leather skin guy.
Yeah. So this is kind of what I like about Sam Pittman, though, because I think a lot of coaches, right when they get that first big-time head coaching gig, they're like, okay, what kind of headwear guy am I going to be? And they figure it out because you have to stick with that for the rest of your career.
Sam Pittman didn't even consider putting on a hat. Correct.
We need to get him just like a fitted hat,

something that covers the scalp up,

because that thing was getting pretty toasty.

Yes.

All right, other things.

Notre Dame is out.

I expected them to be out.

They're a good team,

but they're not going to be in the conversation.

So Cincinnati has their biggest win

in the history of the program,

goes to South Bend,

kind of dominates them,

and now they are between...

You know what's so funny?

We talked about Cincinnati, and we obviously have the bet with Kirk Herbstreet. No one brings up the fact that BYU could very well be in the conversation as well because they play more Power 5 teams the rest of their schedule.
Not great Power 5 teams. They have like Virginia, Oregon State, and USC.

But BYU was really good last year, is really good this year,

is undefeated, has beaten Arizona State,

has beaten Utah, who turns out to be a disappointment.

But BYU could end up having a better resume than Cincinnati at the end of the year.

I guess Cincinnati will get the boost because they're already higher.

But it does feel like this is finally the year, that Oregon has lost, now Ohio State lost. I actually think Texas can beat Oklahoma on Saturday.
Clemson has two losses. Everything is setting up to have Cincinnati or BYU crash the party and lose by 100 to Alabama.
Yeah, so Cincinnati got to play Notre Dame, which is probably why most people are talking about them. Like BYU, the other guys that you mentioned, none of those are going to have the juice of a win over Notre Dame on the road.
And it's, and there is a clear bias when it comes to late night West Coast games. Like BYU beat Arizona State at midnight.
You know what I mean? There's a difference between that and Cincinnati going to South Bend in the middle of the day and everyone watching it. Also, that's one of the key ways that you can tell that the season's turning between fall and wintertime when BYU fans are pissed off that their team is not ranked in the top four.
So that tradition is definitely going to continue this year. I think Cincinnati's a better team than BYU.
I'm just saying that it's funny that all the talk is about Cincinnati and BYU at the end of the season could potentially have just as good of a resume. So I'm looking at it right now.
They have to go to at Baylor, which is going to be a tough game. They still play Washington state.
Who's not very good. They play Virginia and USC.
So including Boise state next week, they have four more games against power five teams. I'm trying to figure out what Cincinnati's toughest test is going to be.
They've got SMU at home. No, SMU is good.
And then at East Carolina to close out the season. No, it's SMU.
SMU's a good team. SMU is kind of on the up and up.
So SMU will be their toughest test. But it's, I don't know, it's awesome for college football that someone might crash the party and we might have to take Kirk Herbstreet out.
Although I'm going to just remind Kirk Herbstreet

the bet is very clear. It's over a

one loss. Would you guys still take

your side of the bet? Yes.

Because I think if they still

if the playoffs started tomorrow

maybe not tomorrow but let's just play

out the rest of the year. Let's just say

hypothetically Oregon and Ohio State don't

lose again or even

say Oregon and Ohio State don't lose again and Oklahoma loses once. It's going to be Georgia, Alabama, and one of those three.
I still think a one-loss Power 5 team will get in over Cincinnati just because that's what they do. Clemson being out is huge.
Yeah, Clemson being out, that's a big piece of it. And Notre Dame being out, too.
But you're basically asking the people that come up with the playoff standings, like, would you like this giant suitcase filled with cash, or would you not like it filled with cash? And you're like, well, yeah, we'll take the money, obviously. And I think Notre Dame is probably out because, I mean, I think they'll probably lose again, but they also don't have a schedule, enough data points is what they call it, to probably climb back.
Not if they start Drew Pine. And it also comes down to the conference championship game.
Like, Ohio State will play a conference championship game which will jump Notre Dame at the end of the year. Same with Oklahoma, same with Oregon.
Like, that's how you jump at the end of the year. I've got a fun fact in the SEC.
I did not realize this until Saturday. So Tennessee obviously just dog-walked Missouri.
Correct. They almost, I think they scored 62 points.
They had a touchdown taken away at the end. It would have been 69 points.

Just like an offensive explosion nobody saw coming from Tennessee.

Do you know who Missouri's defensive coordinator is?

Is it Bob Diacchio?

Nope.

Nope.

Who is it?

It's Steve Wilks.

Steve Wilks, former Arizona Cardinals head coach,

went from being an up-and-coming head coach

in the NFL to being the coordinator for Missouri, giving up 62 points to Tennessee in like two

years.

That's a pretty bad downturn for Steve Wilkes.

I don't know.

He was the one in Arizona that got fired after one year.

Yeah.

So I don't think he was ever up-and-coming.

Well, when he was hired.

He was hired.

On the day he was hired.

From the day he was hired until today. He was up, never coming.
Yeah, he was up. He was soaking.
He was like Urban. He was up and soaking.
He was up, not coming. Yep.
But yeah, that's a tough place for old Stevie Wilkos. Yes, yes.
What are you going to say, Billy? What about Iowa or Penn State? So Iowa and Penn State absolutely can get there. The game this weekend, Iowa City is basically going to be the capital of college football this weekend.
The Iowa or Penn State, I just assume when I say Ohio State, it's actually just Ohio State slash whoever wins the Big Ten. That's going to be Iowa, Penn State, or Ohio State, one of those three teams you could even throw in Michigan because, fun fact, the only three teams that have not taken a snap while trailing have been Michigan, Georgia, and Alabama.
Actually, I think BYU might be four, so it's four teams. But, yes, you're right.
The winner of Iowa, Penn State, especially if it's Iowa because their schedule in the West is very, very easy. So if Iowa wins on Saturday, they are now in the driver's seat to get to the Big Ten championship game, and then if they win the Big Ten championship game, they're obviously in.
I'm going to just throw this one out here with reckless abandon. You ready for this one? Yep.
If Texas doesn't lose again for the rest of the year, Texas would be in that conversation too. Texas is definitely, in my estimation, I think they're going to be the best team in the Big 12.
I think they're going to beat Oklahoma on Saturday. I think they are too.
And then they have Oklahoma State at home. But they'll lose a game for no reason.
Their toughest game after that is going to Baylor. Yeah, they'll lose a game for no reason that's very stupid.
Oklahoma State at home too. Yeah, I would trust Texas, but in classic Texas fashion, they will beat Oklahoma, they will officially be back, and then they will find a way to lose the only problem with the Texas uh argument will be at the end of the year if you're trying to say Texas is in their one like let's say they have one loss their one loss would be to like the fourth or fifth team in the SEC West so people would make make that argument.
So that's where Georgia and Alabama get in before Texas.

Well, I mean, Arkansas would probably have to lose another few games

in order for that to happen, right?

No, the SEC West is incredible.

So obviously Alabama is going to be ahead of them.

Auburn right now.

Auburn, LSU.

I mean, they beat Texas A&M.

I think Arkansas is going to end the year with a better record than LSU. Yeah, probably.
I mean, our guy might be in the hot seat. I don't want it to happen.
But that on the road in Fayetteville might be pretty good. They're going to be the third best? Here's what's going to happen.
Texas, if they win this weekend, they're going to win against Oklahoma State at home. They're going to beat Baylor on the road.
Then they're going to go to Iowa State and lose. Wait, say it again.
Oh, yeah, Iowa State. Iowa State, that's the one, November 6th.
So, yeah, right now Arkansas is the fourth best. They're very good, but Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, and then Arkansas.
So, like, if you, I don't know, that's going to be the argument against them, which is not fair, but it's just how they're going to argue it. Yeah, you could do that argument, but then you could also say Arkansas is also number 13 in the country.
Yeah, this is obviously assuming they're going to lose to Alabama. Right.
They might, like, let's say they split Auburn and Ole Miss. They're not going to be as highly ranked.
This might be the highest they're ranked. And I love Arkansas.
I bet on them every single week. Last week didn't go so well.
Mississippi State's even good. The SEC West is insane.
It SEC West is insane. This would be a perfect year for Texas to kind of get back in the conversation.
After the entire year has been written off as far as them and their ability to be back after that loss at Arkansas, them sneaking their way into the back conversation. You're just a blue-blood guy.
I am. You had Notre Dame being in the conversation a couple weeks ago.

I like tradition, Big Cat.

And now it's Texas.

I like it.

Just hop.

Maybe we'll get USC back in the conversation.

You really lost twice.

What are you going to say, Billy?

I really hope Coastal Carolina got some better games.

They're a wagon.

Yeah, they are a wagon.

I don't think they have some better games.

I don't.

That game last year was so awesome when they scheduled BYU

on that short notice.

That might have been

the highlight of the entire season.

Anytime, anywhere.

Yeah, and they just

fucking punked Zach Wilson.

That should be

Coastal Carolina's thing

where they do one game

like that every single year.

They just call it

the Anytime, Anywhere Bowl.

I don't know why

Cincinnati

and these group of five teams,

they should essentially leave

all the group of five conferences should leave a date open at the end of the year to to be like we can schedule the best other group of five because think about it if Cincinnati and BYU played they both were undefeated and they played in the last week of November the winner would have an incredible resume to get in it would basically be an elimination game so yeah, you're setting yourself up, you might get eliminated but you also would be able to leapfrog everyone. That would really force the hands of the football the playoff committee where they'd look at that game, they'd probably still be like no, you're not getting in and then Cincinnati would be like be like, well, there's actually nothing else that we can do.
Yeah, we've done everything. Coastal Carolina does not have any significant games left.
I mean, they played all their conference games. Alright, let's get to Hot Seat Cool Throne.
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My hot seat is friend of the program, recurring guest, hero of mine, Julian Edelman. Oh.
Okay. Did you see this? No.
Oh, the TV. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Also, Also, I just want to say, Julian Edelman, Instagram going down was tough for a lot of us, but no one more than you because you couldn't take your shirt off. What happened? So he was posting stories watching the game on Sunday night, and his TV was just on his floor.
Yeah. He must not have been at his house.
Well, house. I think he moved to New York because he does the inside

of the NFL, so he just moved to New York

and he hasn't mounted his TV yet

and it's like, dude,

what are you doing? It's just on the ground.

Is it leaning against the wall or is it on a stand?

That's a big deal.

It's got the legs?

No, no. It's worse than not.

It's not on a stand. It's not leaning against the wall.

It's on the cheap

little prongs that you can put on it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
The tiny little legs. Yeah, not good.
Low pad level on the TV. Not good.
Yeah, that's a tough look. That's bachelor life, though.
Just guy stuff. Julian, I'll come over and mount your TV if you need to.
Julian, do not accept that. Billy will not leave.
I could see Julian being a good roommate for Billy. I think you guys might get along.

I have a spot.

His abs are way better than yours, though.

I'm not an abs guy.

Yeah, I know.

I'm a mask guy.

Yeah, but his whole thing is like you're going up against Mincy right now.

That's a step up.

I'm just saying.

I know.

Yeah.

I think it's just an example, too, of like, you know, player life.

Now he's kind of in the media world.

He doesn't realize that you're not just posting a video of the clip of the play. Every single piece of the content that you post is going to get dissected and roasted.
Yes. And unfortunately, he's learning the hard way.
Yeah. My cool throne, I have a couple.
My first one is Meghan Trainor's toilet. Okay.
It's literally a cool... It's too good deuce.
It's a cool

throw. No, an article came out that

her and her husband, who

apparently is the kid from Spy Kids,

Junie from Spy Kids, they

share side-by-side toilets.

So they don't have to share. Oh, they call

those Hollywood bath,

I think. I think that's the name of the

style of toilet. Wait, are they in the same

room? Yeah, they have a big ass bathroom

why wouldn't you just do his and hers?

his and hers bathrooms?

yeah like if you've ever seen

someone who's super super rich

you go into their bathroom

and it's the size of a New York apartment

where the shower and the sink

and everything will be in the middle

and then off to each side will be

toilets his and her baths

that happens for the super rich

I'm not sure. where the shower and the sink and everything will be in the middle, and then off to each side will be toilets, his and her baths.
That happens for the super rich. What about this? What if it's not meant for both of them to be using at the same time? What if one is just for shitting and the other toilet's for pissing, and they're just connected to each other? It might be a bidet, too.
No, they said they constructed it this way. Do you think they sit at the same time? Nobody knows this, but in our bathroom, there was one toilet and a lot of time in the middle

of the middle of the night where we're with the baby, we've got to pee at the same time.

So I was like, can we please have two toilets next to each other?

I mean, that is so simple.

Dude, be a man.

That's what the sink is for.

Or piss in the sink.

Or just the bathtub.

Yeah.

It's right there.

The shower.

The shower drain.

But the sink is, that's what the sink is made for. Or if you've got great aim, just go just the bathtub.
Yeah, it's right there at the shower shower drain like but the sink is that's what the sink is made for if you've got great aim Just go between the legs. Jesus.
That's a weird thing That's something I would have kept to myself if I were them Hank is that is this one of your eat the rich moments got to the M&Ms got a guillotine their ass guillotine if you If you can afford two toilets that are connected to each other you think they they had to custom design it, like weld the toilets together themselves? I think some plumber was like, no, I'm not doing this. This is beyond.
Yeah, I have standards. Yeah, I'm not letting you shit next to your husband.
This goes beyond my ethical code. Yes.
That's it, actually. I'll send another one.
Whoa. Oh, okay.
You sure? Yeah. Okay.
We'll use yours at the end, then. Okay.
My hot seat is Mike Greenberg haters. They're furious.
They're furious this morning because Mike Greenberg finally is going to be on television. Are there Greenberg haters? So many.
So many. I think the majority of people are just like, whatever.
They're just, they're gaga for greenie. No, they're completely apathetic.
Greenberg is... Mike Greenberg, trust me, he's got some haters.
Breaking moves. It's happening.
Uh-oh. 12 holes.
Oh. But it is happening.
The match? Firstson, Friday, November 26th. So that's the day after Thanksgiving? I don't know how I feel about this.
I think it's over. I'm okay with it.
That's good, though. Yeah.
No, it's over, though. That's the exact right amount of holes that Brooks can pay attention to, right? Yep.
But that's over. It's over.
Like, the rivalry is over. You guys realize that, right?

Unless there are some stakes that are tied to it that we don't know about.

The rivalry is over, which is fine.

It's good for them to move on, but the rivalry is officially over.

Also, shout out our boy Brooks for getting paid for this.

I hope he's getting paid a big, big amount of money,

and I hope he remembers who helped start this feud

and then tips them, thankfully. Very well.
Yes, tips them very well. Do you guys agree, right? Who created this? We did.
So it would be nice. At the very least, 10%.
At minimum. I would say at the very least, 25%.
Or a $50,000 shopping spree. Or a shopping spree.
Yeah, your choice. But I'd rather just 25%.
Falls in your cup. So Mike Greenberg.
Yes. Mike Greenberg.
No one feels for Mike Greenberg. No one feels for Mike Greenberg.
He's got haters. People are like, he was trending online today.
Yeah, because he got announced. Greeny stirs the pot.
Because everyone was like, I can't believe they're going to have Mike Greenberg be Rob Dyrdek of ESPN. Right, exactly.
Ridiculousness. So Mike Greenberg is like the face of ESPN's diversity hiring now because they got rid of Rachel Nichols and Maria Taylor.
And did you know that there are almost 50% of the shows that are on ESPN right now do not feature Mike Greenberg? Wow. He can always be doing more work.
So Greeny doesn't stop working. He just shows up at like six o'clock and there's a camera pointed on him until like 11 p.m.
Yes. And then America is clamoring for more Mike Greenberg.
So he goes and he does it again the next day. I think he, the reason why he keeps getting his jobs is because just like I said, no one really has a strong opinion about Mike Greenberg.
He is, and I don't even mean that as a mean thing, he is the perfect host in that respect. Like he doesn't, if you're watching a show, you're never watching it for Mike Greenberg, but he makes the show work.
He's a good traffic cop. So it doesn't like, he just there.
It would suck if he wasn't there because you'd want a host that can move things along, but that's why even though he's on every show, it won't even matter because he's just Mike Greenberg. We're one step away from ESPN Greenie becoming a thing as like an over-the-top thing for ESPN to charge you $4.99 a month for.
There are some haters purchase confirmed oh yeah oh yeah big j's yeah we want my j's that's jealous that's jealous we want mike greenberg has never been said by anyone see but that again i don't understand that like logic like he's not mike greenberg doesn't have any type of personality or like opinions that are grading you know what i mean mean? He loves his wife. He does.
He loves his wife. He's not like Skip where he's saying like LeBron sucks.
Right. He's there.
He eats grapes with a knife. Yes, he does.
But I'm just... You know what I mean? He doesn't...
If you're mad about Mike Greenberg, that means you're just mad about nothing. It's nothing.
He's just there to move the show along if you're mad if you hate mike greenberg then you must hate watching television it's just he because there are 72 mike greenbergs that appear on your tv every single day across every channel he's just the best one at it he's very good at being a professional host and a professional tv man and there's no i've never had a feeling about mike greenberg like a visceral feeling. God damn it, I hate that guy.
So we agree that there are Mike Greenberg haters, but there shouldn't be Mike Greenberg haters. They're misguided.
Just like anyone who's a Mike Greenberg stan is misguided. Yes.
It should just be Mike Greenberg's there. Mike Greenberg follows me on Twitter, by the way.
He exists. That was quite a moment for me.
You are the dean of his school, after all. That's right.
Yes, that's true. Well, is it even still a school because we lost our accreditation at Medill? I don't know.
And then my cool throne is Game of Thrones fans. Because.
Shout out to me. Shout out to Hank.
There's a prequel coming. Nice.
Our entire series. I could have said that.
That's a prequel. That was yours? That was the one I said.
Take it away, Hank. Oh, so there's a prequel series about the Targaryen dynasty 300 years before the original series.
I actually read the book. It's a good book, but it's just a little bit depressing.
It just makes me. You read the book? Yeah.
You guys remember. I was like fully addicted to Game of Thrones.
I read the entire book. How many pages? It's pretty fucking big.
Probably like 200. That's not a big book.
Are you saying... Compared to the fact that I haven't read a book in...
I thought you were going to say 800. Yeah, or like a thousand.
I don't know. I'm going to look it up.
I'm going to look it up. 200 is like...
It's actually the bare minimum of a book. No, but it's like a big...
Anything less is a novella. No, that might be wrong.
I might be wrong. It's a big ass...
It's literally like a... And not only is it a big book, like physically...
It's heavy? It's like a coffee table size book. That's what he meant by a big book.
Yeah. Size-wise.
200 pages is not a big book. Are there drawings? There was drawings.
Not a lot. Can you fill out your own drawings? Help me out, Jake, please.
Is there a word search at the end? The average manuscript for a novel comes anywhere between 250 and 400 pages. Yeah, so 200 is a short book.
Low average. Aragon was 758.
Can we get some numbers on how big this book is? Game of Thrones book? Are you rooting for this to be good or for it to be bad, Hank? I don't know because... Why would you root for it to be bad? I'm not going to root for it to be bad.
Well, it's 694. Oh, yeah.
Fuck yeah. Oh, so there you go.
But you only read 200. No, I read the whole thing.
Oh, okay. I just read so fast and I'm such a good reader that it felt like 200.
Hank definitely only read half. No, I read the whole thing.
I don't know. I was fighting with people online.
It's one of those things where it's just like the end of Game of Thrones sucks. Okay.
And they're never making more Game of Thrones ever again. So even though if this is good, it's still one of those things where if you watch it, you're like, this is the best series ever.
Can't wait to see what happens. Like, that person is going to be disappointed.
Yeah. It's going to bring back feelings of just, like, sadness.
I've thought, over quarantine, many times I was very obsessed with Game of Thrones. I've been like, maybe I'll start re-watching Game of Thrones again.
And I just can't bring myself to do it because I know the ending is so bad, I'm just going to get mad. But why wouldn't you want it to be good? Like, if it's good, it's good.
And that's fun. Yeah.
No, I'm not rooting for it to be bad i never said that but it's all i know what you're saying that in a way it's almost worse the better the prequel is because it reminds you of how bad it was at the like and then if the patriots had gone undefeated in the preseason the year that they lost to the giants in the super bowl too yes and people keep saying uh well better call saul is really good the end of breaking bad was really good like people that liked breaking bad didn't leave that show with a bad taste in their mouth so when the prequels came out they're like oh yeah I love Breaking Bad can't wait to watch the prequels I personally and I know a lot of people feel the same way like hated and were disgusted with the way Game of Thrones ended so it's like I don't know it'd be like if people really hated the way Sopranos ended and then when Many Saints of New York came out. But really...
They did. In the moment, they did.
They weren't happy about it. No, people...
Yeah, people... But I think as...
Like when Silvio got run over and shot, and his hair didn't come off. I'm not going to do any...
I'm not going to do any... You just did a Many Saints of New York? Huh? Did you just do...
No, I haven't seen it yet. Okay.
I'm not going to do any spoilers. People definitely hated the end of Sopranos.
Big time. People thought their TVs broke.
Whole country thought their TVs broke. I'm different too, Hank, because I admittedly, I binge watched Game of Thrones.
I think if you watched the whole thing throughout six, seven, eight years, whatever it was, and you were invested for a long period of time, you get a little bit more upset with how it ended yeah like if we as binge watchers we invested what a maximum of two or three months yeah into this show but yeah if you do it over years and then you're the worst part is you had to wait for the worst season to come back like two years for that to happen so um i mean i think it's going to be a good show because they're basing it off the stuff that's already been written they don't have to do it themselves I think it would be good too the only thing I'm worried about and I know this was a huge problem with the show in general was like the dragon budget like the contents I'm not joking this is the story is all like dragon based there's like a shit load of dragons so it's like if they were having problems dragons. I'm out, actually.
Like, having two dragons in an episode was, like, a big issue. I'm out.
And, like, they had to budget for it, and it was all this money and shit. How are they logistically going to get fucking 40 in there? I'm out because the fact that there's 27 dragons or whatever it's going to be.
Oh, they're going to, like, fight each other and shit. And they all have to die.
Because we have to get to a point where there are no dragons. Yeah.
So that sucks. I don't want to see dragons die.
That fucking sucks. But it's over a 300-year period.
I don't know how. You think it's slow burn on the dragons? I think they're going to pick stories and shit.
Like the book that I read, no big deal. 200 pages.
It's felt like 200 pages, so I'm such a good reader. It's like it's 300 years, so there's a lot of stories in between.
So I think they're going to pick one one or two Like they have to I bet you some of the dragons Start to band together And then they fight Against the people No the dragons Definitely fight each other That's a thing There's like a war In skies Quick question Hank What if the prequel Answers a lot of the questions That never got answered In the regular series So like What the fuck The White Walkers Were actually doing And all that shit. Because it still is just, it's one of those things they can't, they can't post mostly fix the regular show.
They're doing an Urban Meyer apology if they try to do it this way. That would be, that would actually be one of the most genius things ever if they called it a prequel.
But the entire prequel was just like flash forward scenes from the distant future that would act like another season of Game of Thrones that actually wrapped up all the questions that you had at the end. What if you found out what that like spiral sign was in the first season and like all that shit? Like what if they answer questions? I guess.
But then it's like then they're making a show just to appease. Like they should just make it an independent good show.
Yeah, just make it a good show on its own and I'll like it. Yeah.
All right hot seat is uh trevor lawrence we're gonna get to this with pete prisco but poor trevor lawrence gets invoked in urban meyer's apology that was that was so fucking funny the fact that urban meyer apologized for being horny and was like you know trevor lawrence was at a bachelor party urban meyer is the worst wingman ever yeah he is he is like he basically comes back from a bachelor party and is like, well, yeah, we went to a strip club, but Trevor got his dick sucked. Why did he bring up Trevor Lawrence's strip club there? Or a bachelor party? He's an idiot.
Urban Meyer, he's so bad at being in trouble. He's like a kid.
If you watch him whenever he gives a press conference, he's either, one, openly hostile towards the people that are asking questions, or two, just looking down at his own feet. And so I don't think his team trusts him.
I don't think his front office trusts him. In fact, they said he has to work to regain our trust.
He has to work to regain our respect. So they don't respect him in Jacksonville.
Urban Meyer, he is not long for this league. Yeah.
No. We're going to get to it with Pete Prisco.
It reminded me of, I went and looked up because it really is still stunning, and we like him, so we're not going to make fun of him, but Rick Pitino's apology when he invoked 9-11, which I have a quote. I would like to read it to you guys, but again, not making fun.
It's a real quote. Rick Pitino talking about his relationship with the woman who then got an abortion.
He said, when 9-11 hit, you needed a community to get over it. In New York City, it was easy because everybody knew the devastation of that, and they got each other over it.
In Louisville, the impact wasn't felt like New York City, but I needed this community to help me get over it. That's a fact.
Listen, it takes a takes a village to get over tragedies sometimes yeah and rick patino like it or not yeah uh he needed some help we all need a helping hand from time to time and if rick patino's in the situation urban myers in it wouldn't even be a big deal because there wouldn't have been enough time to get the second video out there yes right so he also said times aren't easy rick patino said times, but if I can get through 9-11, I can get through anything in my life. And I got through 9-11 and there's nothing ever going to come close to that.
We'll get through this in a positive way and move on. There you go.
He did lose his brother-in-law on 9-11, but still, that's a very bizarre thing to bring up when you're apologizing for an indiscretion. Yeah, I mean, Urban could definitely pull the COVID card.
He could. He could be like, I think we all went a little stir

crazy in the house

not being able to go out in public.

So, you know, I got carried away.

It was my first time being in a bar.

I was being, you know what? The problem was I was being

too cautious for my community

for the last year and a half.

Haven't been out in public to a bar since

then. It was my first time out.
I didn't

know how to say no to a woman.

I forgot how to act in public.

My cool throne is me because

I don't know how to say no to a woman i forgot how to act in public uh my cool throne is me because uh i'm sure you guys maybe didn't see but i had the greatest cancellation of my life today i got my root canal canceled and it was not my fault it was the uh dentist's office who i have an unbelievable dentist so i'm not saying anything bad about him because i actually do love him. But I went to the root canal, was sitting in the chair.
There was something wrong with the nitrous and they had to cancel. So I was literally, they put on the numbing stuff on my gums.
They were about to put the needle in, turn on the nitrous and they're like, hey, we can't get the nitrous on. We're going to have to do this next month.
The greatest feeling of all time. That's amazing.
That's like if you're in the chair and the governor calls and it's like, hey, postpone the electrocution. That gives me a great idea for a business, which is a dentist office that schedules the most painful surgeries, brings you in, and then tells you we have to postpone.
And that's what you do. You never actually get around to doing the work.
So I don't think it's exclusive to dentists because I have the idea that you should have, we should have just a cancellation business that's everything. So like any type of bad thing that you have to do, taxes, whatever, just make up fake appointments, have people believe it and then cancel it right before.
Yeah. You can do everything.
It doesn't, it's not because like traveling, you cancel travel, canceled night out plans. But the feeling that I had this morning when it was the rush, because it wasn't even me canceling on them, because then you get the guilt.
You're like, oh, is my tooth going to fall out? Dan Heron, whatever. No, it was they canceled on me and I was there.
I was ready and ready to roll. They did say, like, do you want to do it without the nitrous? I was like, absolutely not.
No. And the tough guys on Twitter who were like, dude, you don't need nitrous for a root canal.
Fuck off. A good general rule of thumb.
Shout out, Paul Walker. If they offer you nitrous, use the nitrous.
Yes, exactly. It's like reverse fire fest.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, I was on cloud nine because you go in. It was going to be an hour and a half of just shit.
My mouth is going to hurt the rest of the day. Now I'm scheduled for November.
November's never going to get here. I'm free and clear.
Can you imagine if there was a doctor's office that scheduled you for blood work? You got to tell like your significant other or anybody that like, hey, you know, I've got this, I've got a date set up that I'm going to go to the hospital. They're going to do blood work.
They're going to give me a full physical. And you could say that with a straight face and they send you a magnet.
You it on your computer be like or on your refrigerator be like just a reminder your appointment is next thursday and then you go and then they tell you yeah appointments canceled yes people would pay money for that no i i i was talking about earlier today but like there it should be for everything though like you should have for travel for going to a wedding like could you imagine a wedding that you don't want to go to they just create the whole wedding and then they're like our wedding gift to you is that we canceled it like that all just an entire business that just cancels plans you don't want to do for you and they they make the plans they're fake plans and they cancel it and we just do this whole charade and get that adrenaline it'd be great if you were a boss and then you invited everybody that worked for you to your wedding but it's not a real wedding but you told them listen i'm getting married in a year and then a month after that you'd be like hey guess what no not a month i want it like two days before well the problem with that is people will rearrange their schedules and get actually mad that's even better then they get a staycation they stay home I love it. But yeah, when you get it canceled like two days before and you like, oh, a free weekend that I just didn't know existed.
If you're a boss, you don't need to worry about getting like a gift card for all your employees. You don't have to worry about getting 10% off Verizon phones or whatever that you like you do for their holiday gift.
Just tell them that you're going to get married and they have to come and then tell them they don't have to come. Cancel's a perfect present cancel it uh jake your hot seat cool trunk uh you mentioned earlier for a second my hot seat the internet with instagram and facebook out i was fine with that i don't i don't know what you guys was finsta down i mean finsta is part of insta now oh is it yeah oh you're sounding like uh that guy from texas yeah isn't finsta a fake account for yourself that's's what the representative from Texas was like.
Can you shut down Finstagram? Yeah, can you shut it down? The... Yeah, it was fine.
I mean, it was kind of crazy to be like, is this ever going to come back? That was cool. Yeah, there was that one code.
Yeah, Chaps. Chaps got everyone.
I was thinking... I was actually pretty happy when it happened.
I was like, I hope it stays down forever. Except I would like to get my pictures back from Facebook.
Yeah. Let us get in for five more minutes, download our pictures, get out.
Yeah. Instagram.
Instagram was... I actually like Instagram.
There's no bad thing about Instagram. Twitter, if they took down Twitter, I'd be fine with that.
Yeah, I was looking at my Facebook memories and like 11 years ago yesterday, it was me taking a picture of the TV because I was freaking out because my tweet was shown on ESPN. Whoa.
Oh, wow. Hell yes.
Yeah. Love that.
Wait, what tweet was it? It was replying to Sports Nation saying like, who's the something team? And I replied to Oklahoma Sooners and they show nice. That's freaking out.
Yeah, that's fucking huge. Yeah, it was really cool.
All right. Cool throw my cool throw is extra innings.
So the man on second rule done for good. Yeah.
I love rule. Fuck that.
I liked it because of one, overs. Overs were always alive because if you got to extra innings, you usually get like a couple runs.
And two, I don't know. Baseball games are long enough to begin with.
It's great for a team that you're not rooting for. For like a game you have no actual investment in besides the over.
But it but it is weird that they announced it yesterday you would think that a sport a professional sport would have made the announcement for how their postseason would be run earlier than a day before the postseason started correct uh billy your hot seat cool to run my hot seat was also facebook and lane kiffin but a little addition to lane k Kiffin's story, the Alabama mascot at halftime came out

with a popcorn suit on

that they somehow fashioned

between the time Lane Kiffin

said that. Was it just popcorn that they got

at the stands? It was just a giant

popcorn suit. So you had a giant elephant

in a giant popcorn suit. Don't know how they did it.

Pretty clever. Hot seat Lane Kiffin,

my cool throw. I bet elephants could eat more popcorn than any other animal.
Just suck it up through that trunk. My cool throne is Jim Harbaugh.
With all this talk about Urban Meyer and that story, Jim Harbaugh's story came up about how he was interacting with female students at Michigan, and instead of dancing with them or doing any type of Urban Meyer business, he just started playing catch with them and was just beaming them with the football, like taking three-step drops and launching 40-yard rockets at these women. Very Urban Meyer.
And hitting them in the head until the women were like, I don't want to play catch with this guy anymore. This is ridiculous.

Yeah, that's a great story.

That's actually a date in Jim Harbaugh's mind.

That counts as dates one, two, and three.

If you go out in the back, that's date one.

You catch a football, that's date two. And then he throws it so hard it goes between your hands,

hits you in your head, and knocks you over.

That's the third date for him.

My other cool throne was the Kentucky quarterback, Will Le levis he was on tiktok putting mayonnaise and coffee everyone was like if we lose to florida this is why because our quarterback drinks mayonnaise with his coffee or coffee yeah mayonnaise with his coffee i love the way you say mayonnaise weirdest thing ever uh anyway they won and will levis went to tiktok to stunt on everybody he's also just doing this shit to troll people it's hilarious if you see the TikTok it cuts away it's very clearly staged because he's trying to fuck with people I love it Will Levis come on the show I heard he's made AWL shout out him alright thank you Billy let's get to our interviews we got Charles Oakley and Pete Prisco before we go to Charles Oakley It's an AWL. Oh, sweet.
Shout out him. All right.
Thank you, Billy. Let's get to our interviews.
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Okay.

We now welcome on a very, very special guest. the man the myth the legend charles oakley he's got uh his new cooking show is out october 7th chalk chopping it up with oakley yes uh on fox soul check it out it's uh october 7th is the first one 8 p.m.
Eastern. Oak is awesome in the kitchen.
I've actually watched some of your videos of you cooking in the kitchen. So go check it out.
We're very excited to have you on. Appreciate it.
Very excited to have you here. Yes.
I don't even know where. You are an intimidating guy.
I don't really know where to start. I have met you before.
I told you the story before that I thought you were going to smack my friend. But it is great to have you here.
Let's start with the cooking show. Let's start with the cooking show.
Yeah, let's talk cooking show. Oh man, so the cooking thing has been something in my heart for years.
You know, just making people happy. When you're cooking, you got to cook with some soul.'ve got to cook from the heart.
And that's how I played on the court with a lot of heart and trying to do the right thing for my teammates and people around me. And it just took off.
I'm real picky, you know, with food and the places I go eat. I send my stuff back about 80% to 90% of the time because they want to do it they way.
They ask, can they take your order? But when you give them your order, they don't bring your order back correct. That's why I send it back.
But no, I love cooking. I do a lot for the charity.
Skit Row. I did Nashville, Cleveland, all the different inner city stuff.
Just, you know, a lot of private events for a lot of celebrities and my producing crew. For us, for our network, I've been knowing for a while.
And we just got together and said, we got to do this. So does anybody ever try to send food back to you? Only one time.
I was doing Cafe Oakley in the city about 12 years ago, and Jason, William, and myself were trying to produce a show. We had like Walter Berry, John Stock, some kids, and John wanted to put some salt on something.
I was like, John, you put some salt on there, I'm going to put some salt on your head. That's all the time.
But I'm pretty good in the kitchen. What do you like to make? I'm the chef, so I'm the best dish on the menu, so I try to please you.
I do a lot of experiments. I just did one with Victor Green.
He used to play with the Jets. He had a golf tournament yesterday, so they auctioned me off.
OJ, Anderson, and Cross used to play tight end for the Giants. So they were auctioning me off, O.J., Anderson, and Cross, used to play tight end for the Giants.
So they auctioned me off, and we got three dinners for, you know, like, people. But they bought three different individual experiments.
So basically it's all the money that goes to kids for college. But anyway, we sold three experiments yesterday for, like, $40,000.
Right. basically, I lend my name to charities every year.
They auction me off for how much they raise for a kid to get to college and all that. But that's been real successful for the foundation because they can get $30,000 off Oakley in one day.
And people will hire, like this guy, Cook, and he can raise $30,000 for a charity. So I've been doing a lot of that.
That's awesome. So we're taping this obviously in our studio.
We love having in-person interviews. We're across the street from the Mecca, from Madison Square Garden.
Where is that relationship at right now? Still across the street from one another. Okay.
All right. So it's good that we're on this side of the street.
Right. Yeah.
Yeah, we still across the street from one another. It's on them.
And then to man up and, you know, as they say, I'm a leader and I've been trying to lead the whole time. But they turned me down.
So I'm not really on them a lot because I know I haven't done nothing wrong. I didn't do nothing wrong that night.
It's just a lot of BS. And when you get involved with a control freak, that's what happens with a lot of money.
But I'm going to try to control them and let them know that money can't buy me. Yes, I love that.
I love that you're a man of principle and you're not going to, you know, just be like, all right, you can have me back and not say sorry. What, though, the Knicks this past year, it did feel like they were kind of back.
Like, were you rooting for them? Are you watching these games and being like, man, it is fun that Madison Square Garden is back? The fans already had my back. I had the fans back because I know they want to see them win.
It ain't just about that guy who sits baseline with four or five blinds beside him. And a kazoo.
Don't forget about his band. These fans have been around before me.
When I got here, after me, they want to just see a winning team probably on the court. And I think that Thibodeau and the New Green, you know, Rose and all their crew came in and changed it around.
But don't let it be full goals. Don't be good one year and go bad next year.
So hope they can stay in the top four or five and add on a couple pieces and we can see what happens in a couple years. You never know.
But it's just that guy sit courtside is the problem. You should show up to one of his concerts in the back and just stand there.
Well, I think he got someone threw off a concert because they said something to him. So he's real sensitive.
I don't know how he survived in New York since he is. Yeah, it's got to be really tough.
This is a tough-minded city. He just, like they say, when somebody gives you everything in life, I guess you could be like that.
Yeah, that's a good point. There's been an ongoing debate right now.
I guess the Knicks, they want to retire your jersey, and your jersey should be retired. It should be in the rafters.
But I understand your perspective. You don't want your jersey.
No, I totally— You don't want people to have to pay money to go see your jersey because Charles Oakley's for the people. I'd rather be hanging outside with the flag.
Let the people who ride past benefit, not the guy who's at court side. Yeah.
And I would want to put him on that flag. I wish he would raise the flag with me the same day, side by side.

Yeah.

I'm going to pull him up there with the flag.

Your jersey should be displayed for the public, for the people.

Oh, no doubt.

I mean, that's who love me, and he don't love me, care for me,

because what happened, if he did, what happened that night would never happen.

Have you thought about slapping him?

I did in New Orleans about 2014 All-Star game. I tried to shake his hand.
This guy, West, World West was with him and me, LeBron, his crew, Mavericks, we was outside playing blackjack and West came and came out to speak to everybody. I don't think Little Rich from Cleveland didn't shake his hand.
Something was going on. But he said, oh, you know, the owner of the Knicks.
I said, where you at? So we walked around the corner. I had a couple people with me.
We went around there. So other people seen the same thing.
So he says, Mr. Dolan, Mr.
Oakley. He said, I met him before.
He wouldn't even turn around and embrace me. And I said in many interviews, I said, I want to hit him in his head right there.
I should have, maybe. I think they would throw a parade for you.
Maybe I would have had a case. Maybe I would have had a case.
This other shit he called in the garden wasn't a case. I think you would have, I mean, Knicks fans already love you.
I think it would have gone to a next level if you had slapped him. When did you realize that slapping another man was pretty much the most alpha thing you could ever do? Because you are known for the slap.
Probably when I smacked Barkley. Yeah? Can you tell that story? Was that a lockout? It wasn't no story.
It was just something he talked too much, and I told him the next time I see him, and I walked up to him like I did what I said I was going to do. And you said that he's got to change his name, right? No, I told him, don't say no Chuck or Charles or Chris or whoever, begin with a C.
So you can say somebody named Dick, Harry, you know, no C's. So, you know.
But, no, you know, Charles, he's a great player. No, that gets me wrong with that.
But he just, he think he know everything. And don't know, everybody I talked to who played with him, they hated him because he wasn't on the lead.
He was a guy who was always propping himself for his own self. He went to Phoenix, went to Houston, and they didn't like him in Philly.
They bring him back because everybody brings the celebrities back. He's a celebrity.
They drafted him in the top five pick. He played well there, but he didn't get a ring.
I didn't get a ring. Carl Malone didn't get a ring.
Patrick didn't get a ring. So, we all in the same bag.
The only thing he got was just, he got more money than I did. Yeah.
Yeah. Is there something that somebody can say that'll just like, that'll set you off and you know, okay, now I don't like this guy.
Like, is it, what line has to be crossed? No. I mean, you got, the thing ain't got to be, you know, to be in the the streets, you gotta be able to control yourself and hold yourself.
So, it's just like, you know, you get people, you know, like the time Ola Thorpe elbowed me in the face. He did it the first time.
The next time, I had to, you know, I had to let him know I was on the oak tree. Yeah.
That's right. I feel like you've probably slapped a lot of your friends.
Just like, it's not like a big thing. Just like, keep them in check.
Maybe., I can't call them out of no dog. I mean, I don't really have too much problems.
I mean, just sometimes, you know, like water. Sometimes you turn hot water on and take a while to get hot.
So, you know, it happens. It's wild for you to get out.
So, from a basketball perspective, I love guys who are great rebounders. I just love it.
I think it's one of those things that rebounding, there's a lot of skill, but it's also just wanting it more than the next guy. What made you such a great rebounder? Is there art to it? Is there something that made you different? I mean, a guy I do not like Dennis Rodman.
I mean, by listening to that last day and seeing some of the things he was saying about rebounding, see, he was really an art to it. I've never seen someone talk about it.
You know, Moses Malone was the best, but the way he talked about rebounding, my thing was you gotta know who on your team team. Do they shoot a high shot, straight line shot? I mean, it's a lot of stuff, you know, the rebounds that you have to do, but the way he did it, never heard it before.
He used to watch just play after play. I never did that.
I watched tapes and stuff. But it's a lot of hard work, and that's why you want to find a lot of special.
Like Dennis, out of everybody, you know, Ben Wallace was a little different. He had, you know, he got rebounds.
But I said more of the special type was, you know, I'll be real with it, Dennis Rodman. But Moses was the best overall rebounder.
Yeah. There's just something about it.
I think it's the fact that rebounding, like if a guy hustles and gets a rebound and really does it, like he gets a guy out of position or he box out, it's like an added almost boost to the team where it's like extra shots, extra confidence, everything kind of like when you're watching basketball, I guess the best way to describe it, I'm now rambling, but the best possessions are when a team will get, like, two or three offensive rebounds and they almost suck the will out of the defense. He was the type of guy.
I mean, you know, I got a lot of second sides. You know, I give guys the credit, you know, but he was a worker, though.
I mean, he never got tired. This guy, you know, you don't find too many guys after playing 35, 40 minutes of the game that didn't go do an hour on the bike.
So all he did was rebound. So, you know, he was good.
Like I said, Moses, you know, myself. Michael Cage, you know, he beat me out that year by his teammate tapping him to rebounds.
He went and hustled guys to rebounds. A lot of guys can rebound.
A lot of guys don't hustle to the ball. Yeah.
So, yeah, that's fine. You know, Dennis was like that myself.
And a lot of guys just wait for it to come off the rim. Long rebounds or dive.
I think Dennis dives a lot on the floor just to be diving. I dived for a reason.
Right. So he wanted to act with it.
But, you know, I took a lot of charge, hit a lot of floor, you know. Yeah, the tough game.
I mean, I think it's kind of talked about ad nauseum about the game, how much it's changed. Do you think a young Charles Oakley in today's game, like what does that look like? It would look the same.
Yeah. It would be real easy.
I'd probably get 20-20. One thing about rebound now is the field goal is probably down 3% or 4% than when we played.
So it's a lot more. It means 8 to 10 more rebounds.
More three-pointers being taken, so that means maybe more rebound opportunities. Well, it just appeared.
They can't shoot, really. I mean, the shooting is bad.
Who do you think is the toughest guy in the league right now? Toughest guy in the league? Well. Draymond? I don't know who tough.
I mean, I ain't seen a fight. I see everybody hugging and kissing.
So I can't put it out there. I mean, maybe Tucker.
Okay. Tucker.
Oh, yeah, P.J. Tucker, yeah.
P.J. Tucker.
I mean, I like the way he played, and he got up in KD, phased in, back down. You know, I like KD, but I like Tucker.
I'm going to give it to Tucker then maybe. I'm going to give it to Draymond because he beat punk and big guys, so I got to give him his props.
Yeah. Alex Caruso, tough guy.
Oh, he used to play for the Lakers? Yeah. He in guy gave him his props.
Yeah. That's Alex Caruso.
Tough guy.

Oh, he used to play for the Lakers? Yeah.

He in Chicago? Nah.

I like the answer P.J. Tucker.
I don't know too many

light-skinned guys.

P.J. Tucker is one of those guys

that, even though, like, Kevin Durant

scored a ton of points in that series in the

second round,

he still made his life harder.

And it's like that ability to at least, like, hey, you're still going to score. Kevin Durant is still going to be the best scorer in the league, but he's going to make it harder.
When you make it harder, but I think like when you used to play the Bulls, keep Mike under 30. Mike Tech called Malone, he averaged 28, 30.
You keep somebody 8, 10 points below the average, you did your job. It's hard to sit down with a guy who can get the ball 25 times a game.
He's just not going to do it. It's not going to happen.
Who is the toughest guy for you to guard? Outright tough. I mean, when we play, guys got calls.
Like Carl Malone, you know. I used to call him the mailman who couldn't deliver it on Saturday and Sunday.
Cat McHale had the up and under. Boston got all the calls.
So play against Shaq. You know, I just love to play against Shaq.
You know, Coach Shaq said, my ten guys on my list I want to get in the ring with. And I was number one.
I said, surprising, huh? I've been in the ring with you twice. You ain't do nothing.
So, no. With Shaq, like defending against Shaq, because he doesn't move around that much.
My thing about Shaq, lower gravity guys can check him because he can't feel you. When you're tall, he can spin off your dude.
You see all his highlights. He's dunking on guys 16, 7 footers.
He don't dunk on smaller guys. Yeah.
So you mentioned the last dance. Obviously, you were on the Bulls when MJ is starting his career.
Scottie Pippen gets drafted. You get traded.
When you were on that Bulls team, before they start winning championships, did you know Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan just, he's better than everyone. He's different.
He's, like, this is going to be something that will change the league. Oh, you can see the growth.
I mean, even from his rookie year. I mean, what he did down the court and playing with some guys who had a lot of talent.
He just was shining. And then when I got there my first year, you can see he was just going up here.
He was already having 27, 28, 30. He just kept climbing.
When playing against Detroit, everybody seemed like to be a champion or be a guy who can take over when you need to go through adversity. So he went through his

adversity with Detroit and all this and that.

How the bad boys,

I mean, they just give people names

because I don't think Detroit, I ain't never seen

none of them guys in a fight. You know, Lambert got

in a fight with Barkley, like two sisters fight.

So, you know, it is

what it is. Yeah, I mean,

Mahorn was kind of a...

Nah, Mahorn wasn't. No? None of them? Would you say, actually, would you say maybe Isaiah Thomas? He was maybe the toughest guy on the whole team and he's obviously the smallest.
He's the sneakiest one. Yeah.
But Jeff I could be kidding guys like Jeff Rue made Rick Mahorn. Yeah.
In Washington. Now Jeff Rue was tough.
Okay. What about later on in MJ In MJ's career So you ended up Teaming back up with him On the Wizards Later on That was just for You know Ride through the park And ride on the boat Get a paycheck You know Ride to the gang with him And you know Ride on the plane with him Yeah I remember when you Signing with the Wizards It was like It was like Okay Let's be honest here They're signing Charles Oakley Because MJ needs a buddy on the team.
He needs somebody to have his back. This is what they tried to say.
He brought me in so I can, you know, Kwame, this and that. It was a lot of stuff with MJ and Kwame's story, and they didn't want to pick him, and they picked him, and they didn't really want him.
So, you know, it was fun, though, because that was, you know, that next year, his 40th birthday in D.C. And I cooked twice for, like, 40 people two nights in a row.
We got snowed in. And couldn't nobody get out but Donald Trump.
I wonder why. So in my book, I said he must have called Putin.
What was that like, though? Because you guys were obviously both towards the end of your careers, respectively. You've had a lot of success.
You've played on some great teams before. And then you're on the Washington Wizards, who are not exactly a franchise with a great recent history.
The good thing about it is we was veterans, but we were the first one to practice every day. We didn't like, you know, the young, you know, it started changing shit for the younger guys and, you know, always like, well, the veterans, it's our turn, this and that.
So with the Jerry House and Michael thing was, you know, it was, you know, Michael never backed down. So Jerry was like, you know, in practice it was like Michael love practice

that's his best game

because if he can do it in practice

he'll get away with it in game

so they was getting to it in practice

and this and that

then some story came out about

Jerry was upset with Doug

because Doug didn't

pass the torch

like Michael his time is up

he got a jersey on

his time is never up

Stackhouse

so maybe your time is up

because

even though you was in Washington, you might have been younger and more fresh, so 23 is going to always live no matter what he do. Yeah.
So, like, along that same line, you know, watching The Last Dance and seeing MJ and those videos, like, he pushes his teammates to a level that uh in today's standards people would probably be like oh that's bullying which is but he it seemed like most guys or the majority guys that stuck with the balls and stuck stuck with mj bought in because they knew that he's always pushing himself to far far greater lengths greater lengths than he asked anyone else. Is that fair? That's fair.
But my thing with it, I tell MJ all this fucking time, I said, you play with a lot of bum garbage guys. I said, whenever it rains, they should come and drive your car.
When it's snow, they should come and do your driveway. If you need a ride somewhere, all the bums you play with should be on speed dial.

All of them should be

MJ called, but I think

in the last dance, you know, Scotty

got a little offended by

a lot of things that happened, you know,

with Sandy's story.

He didn't want to go in the game

because of Kuka, this and that.

I told Scotty, you know, I talk to Scotty all the time

too, and I talk to Mike, so I told Scotty

when your paycheck

was jaded

Thank you. game because of Kuka, this and that.
I told Scotty, you know, I talk to Scotty all the time too, and I talk to Mike. So I told Scotty when for the, you know, your paycheck was, Jerry did, why y'all so tough on Jerry? Jerry didn't write the pay.
Jerry was a scapegoat. Jerry was there.
He did a great job of putting the team together. Y'all won six championships, and they don't want to give him no credit, but you know, he's a small guy.
You know, small guys get the complex. So I said, Scotty, it wasn't Jerry.
was Jerry Ronstadt. Yeah.
The check said Jerry. Jerry was a scapegoat.
But Jerry Ronstadt put names on him. But they, you know, a couple other things.
So he, you know, so he came out with a book, too. He came out with a liquor line and a popcorn line.
So he's doing a lot of stuff. But Mike just, you know, Mike, in the last day, Mike, you know, he had the pass, so he couldn't lose.

He ain't going to lose anyway because MJ.

So a lot of guys took, like Gary Payton, he said, I'm not worried about Gary Payton.

So I thought Gary Payton probably was one of the best defenders in the league.

You know, I was going to say, okay, motherfucker, you got the last word in, but Mike thing was,

hey, I didn't make him do the interview.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.
He said, hey, y'all should, hey, I'm Michael Jordan. So right now, if you get a call from Michael Jordan and he's about to get jumped outside a gas station, how quickly are you on a flight down there? I'm going to call Air Force One.
Yeah. No, I'm going to get there.
So, obviously, MJ, one of the most famous guys in the world, and he's got a small circle. How have you, like, you've been in his circle from day one pretty much.
Yeah, since 86. Yeah.
Yeah. So, who's a better gambler, you or MJ? He got more money.
Yeah. He can take more chances.
Okay. Okay.
And now, do you ever, are you a golfer? Yeah, he's a better golfer. Yeah.
Keep talking sports. I mean – This is how you stay in his circle, by the way.
You just keep saying he's better at everything. No, no.
I'm a grown man. I put my pants on like he put them on.
He know how I put them on. Slap meter.
PFT had the slap meter a little higher earlier. I think I'm now on the slap meter.
No, I'm not a groupie. Okay.
I'm way from a groupie. So your friendship with him, I mean, it's the test of time.
I got a better test of time for you. He doing the forward in my book.
There we go. So he liked being around me too.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it has to be. Like, your friendship obviously means something to him.
No, we good. We don't get into that.
I don't have to agree with him. I don't agree with him all the time anyway.
I mean, I got an opinion. I mean, what the fuck? Right.
What is it, do you think, about Charles Oakley that makes you a guy that people trust, that people like to have around inside the show? I've been the same way since I was 10 years old, my grandfather, until now. And I run a straight line.
I don't bullshit people. I don't have to bullshit people.
I tell the truth. I mean, you like it or not, but you ask me a question, I'm going to give you the best answer that I think that people want to hear.
Not something the press want to hear, the people who buy in the paper, who listen to the nation, I mean the station. So my thing is, I just, I mean, honest, you know, you got to be honest in life.
It's too many fake people out here, and that's what's wrong now. People are faking it to do this, faking to do that, and that's why the pandemic is going on.
We're not handling that the right way. We should have been took care in a more way that now we're just trying to, you know, just making the whole country look bad.
Yeah. Who's the guy that you played against that you respected the most in terms of like a toughness like you know we're on the same level i don't know about that no other player i played against i ain't respect none of them really no i mean it might have been better than me but i want to respect them right no they know they had a fight when they i I might not be a top ten ranked, but when I get in the ring, I'm going to feel like one.
Yeah, so there was never a guy that you were ever even like a second of a hesitation of like, ah, I don't know, this guy's pretty strong. No, no, no.
I mean, that's got to be a good feeling. I don't even think about that.
I just know what I got to do when I get on the court. I had to play hard.
I got to defend my teammates. I got to let them know there's not going to be no Kate Walker in this lane.
So, no, I ain't worried about none of them guys. I'll tell you one guy that got the best of you on the court.
He might have scored more points. No, no, I'm talking physically.
He escaped your grasp. Jeff Van Gundy.
Yeah. In the brawl.
You had to hold him back. You messed up his hair a little bit.
But he's slippery. He's wiggly.
He wiggled like out of your arms. Can you walk us through what happened in that fight when it was Zoe and Larry Johnson? LJ, they got it.
Something about a girl, I think. I don't know who got the last kiss, but it was a fight.
And my teammate go, I go. That's what I do.
See, I think that reading all the stories and and reading about guys who played with you i think that's my favorite part about you is that everyone to a man is like if i ever was if anyone ever stepped to me i just knew charles oakley was right behind me right away and that's a teammate yeah yeah i'm getting me a tag so oak oak for president oak like it I mean LeBron said that What What was What made Pat Riley Such a great coach I guess L.A. talent In New York Hard work We had less talent Yeah When you got Kareem Magic Cooper Byron Scott Michael Thompson Scott, Michael Thompson, and, I mean, James, whatever.
So, New York, you got one Hall of Famer. I mean, I guess he's Hall of Famer.
Patrick Hall? Yeah, he's Hall of Famer. Definitely.
But anyway, that was part of the battle. But us, we just had to take on a different way of not having talent, playing just tough and strong mind every night.
You know, Pat's a real... He stay on you.
He work you and you're going to get a chance to win with his system, but some guys not built for the system. Some guys...
Pat Riley, he can get you the pep talks, he can get you going and some guys... I didn't need that, like I said, I knew if it's snowing, I got a stove for it.
I'm going to go snow the plow. Go snow the snow.
So a lot of guys need that extra boost. I didn't need that.
So who was your favorite coach to play for? Butch Carter in Toronto. I mean, because he was just – he can get a lot of credit.
He can coach a lot of years. But when he was on the court, he made everybody's game so easy.
Vince, Trace, all them guys. He put you – he always gives you two plays.
So if you ain't no plays, you couldn't play for Butch. But anyway, so we always had a chance.
He put you in – like Trace and Vince, he dropped something. Never put him in something that would take him out of their skill level.
And that's – you know, Pat Riley, you know, he got a Hall of Fame.

He got Reigns.

He's in the championship.

But you think about the team they coach, they always had three or four,

you know, All-Stars Hall of Fame.

So when you got less talent, what can you do? What can Pat Riley do with the Knicks?

I mean, not Pat Riley, Phil Jackson.

Even though he was upstairs, but your name is on.

You're a part of.

You're the president.

So they look for you to get the guys in here to bill you know he failed yeah he came here just for the money he's like going fishing yeah you know smoke a joint and stuff that's all he wanted to do yeah don't blame him honestly I ain't mad at him I don't really know mad at him not mad but upset when the thing happened to guard he ran to me oh Oh, what happened? What happened? It's 20 other people. You're going to run to me.
What happened? Go ask that man down there with the four blondes. You almost fought your way through it.
I remember I heard a story that you once got jumped in a Vegas pool by seven dudes. Yeah.
And you fought your way out of it? Fought my way out of it. What happened there? I ain't had no choice.
They just jumped you for no reason? Yeah, some BS. It happened a lot when I was in New York for some reason.
I go to the party and me and me seem like the security guard. They always wanted to, you know, seem like their chest got big.
And when I walked up, they just always gave me, not a lot, but, you know, I handled my always wanted to be like, damn, here come Oak. Like, okay, we're going to fight.
It was just crazy. But in Vegas, a couple times it was crazy.
But in New York, me and Mason had a couple issues here and there. But we, you know.
Well, I feel like if Charles Oakley walks into a club and you think that you're a tough guy, like somebody sees you and they think to themselves,

like, hey, this is like the final boss.

If I can beat up Charles Oakley,

then nobody can ever say anything else to me for the rest of my life.

They ain't never beat me up, so they had a bad time.

They never got the chance.

Well, no, it's a couple times happened.

It was a couple beatdowns, tabbing in the green.

Me and Mason, we turned it out one night.

I love it. I have a story that I want you to confirm or deny.
There's a story that you once took a player's newborn out of his hand so that you could slap him. No, we just went.
No, I didn't do that. I wouldn't do that.
So what was it? That's a false story. Fully false story.
Somebody just wanted to use my name to try to get themselves into some kind of club or something. I love that that's a story, though, that I believe.
That's not a good story to be out. I wouldn't want that on my record.
Okay. That one, take that off your record.
Yeah, that's a bad one. Yeah, take that off of Oaks' record.
But I was just telling them, it might be a 100 story. I'm 99% right.
That's that one story that's wrong. Okay, take that one off the record.
What about this one? The Tyrone Hill story that he owed you. Anything you said with that is right.
Yes, so he owed you $50,000, and he only paid you $10,000, and then every time you guys played each other, you just chuck a ball at his head and lay up lines. I'll add a little more to it.
So basically, it was a Philadelphia play the playoff, right? So I guess, I'm going to tell you another, I'm going to tell you this, and you can easily, all right. So we playing Philly during the season, right? So we go to the locker room, right? Somebody sent me some flowers.
So I look at the flower, blah, blah, blah. So I see the ball boy from Philly because they do both the locker locker room They go back and forth So I told my name off To Tyrone here from Charles Oakley I gave the ball boy $100 I said put these in his locker And let me know when he walk in So he came back about 30 minutes later He just walked in And I said did you do what I asked He said yes I said did you watch him he said yes he started reading it and then he said he started coughing so then he said after he read it he started coughing and the ball boy said he kept coughing and he told the team he was sick so he went back home that's fantastic that's awesome So I guess if you were playing in the NBA today, do you think that your game, your skill set right now, you said 20 points, 20 rebounds a game.
Is there a player right now that you think kind of matches up to what your skill set was that's taking advantage of, like you said, the more missed shots? P.J. Tucker, I mean, I feel as tough as I get but he wasn't a rebound.
He's just a guy who just got a chance to play and he's a spider three in Houston and he's a warrior but no, I mean, I can, you know, offense rebound, I can hit the mid-range and I can make my, key is I can make my free throws. you think the fact that like people aren't shooting as many mid-range jumpers in practice that's why a lot of the great players aren't so great from the foul line um no ain't got nothing to do with it uh like it's just like when I play I ain't touch the ball maybe like from a teammate maybe five four or five times most of my points came off as a rebound and put back.
That's just all into the individual.

You got to have a touch.

Like playing ping pong and stuff and tennis.

It's about having a feel and touch.

That's why I did other

things. I played football

while I was coming up.

But free throw is all in your mind.

You just got to practice.

I wasn't great in college but I got from 68, 70 in college to 80, 85 in the NBA. So, I mean, I worked on it.
Yeah. So, we mentioned your book that Michael Jordan's writing the forward.
So, it's coming out in February. Yes.
It's called The Last Enforcer. The Last Enforcer on Amazon pre-sale right now.
So, you order now and get it after New Year's. Okay, so order it right now.
You said everyone's heard the B and C stories, the A stories are going to be in the book? Well, this is going to be closer to not C, but closer to A, but then another book is going to come out after this one. A plus.
A plus. There we go.
Can you give us an A story? And if it's a good A story, people have to, legally, you have to go buy the book. So I'm telling them, our fans will do anything we say.
So if you give us a good A story, they'll go buy the book. Good A story.
All of them is A's, so it's just, they got to get the book. I mean, I hate to say it.
One story. Give us a Patrick Ewing story.
I don't want to talk about that, you know. Okay.
That ain't no story. Give us a.
That's a newspaper you order. Don't come.
What about a gambling story? On a plane or with MJ? What's the most you've seen MJ gamble on a night? Were you with him in Atlantic City? Not that time. Okay, not that time.
I've been with him. Really, I mean, like I said, when you get that kind of money, there's no limit.
It's just people want to have something in it, just have some MJ with Atlantic City. You know, we lost that series because I think the more you write about it, the more it feeds him.
Because if you watched the last dance in his Hall of Fame, it was about things people feed. He feed off of stuff.
You talk about him. He did that.
He shouldn't have. So my thing is, you know, some people you mess with, some people you don't.
Right. You're like a bully picking on the wrong guy and get his ass whooped.
Right. So that's what MJ do.
So if you're hanging out with MJ right now and you guys are gambling and you start talking shit to him, you just know that he's going to like... It don't matter.
I assume he still has that all the time. Well, I can talk shit to him.
He can't beat me up. Right.
I mean, that's different. I mean, it's something you can troll on the basketball court.
But I mean, I don't just talk... See, we don't just talk shit to one of the girls.
If he says something wrong to me, I might hit him. He says something wrong.
Okay, I'll give you a prime example. So I was at the golf course two and a half months ago.
And, you know, there's 20 people sitting at this table, 10 in that table. So I walk in.
He said, what's up, motherfucker? I said, what's up, motherfucker? So I put my shoes on. He jumped me on my back, and I flipped him.
and and I said what's up motherfucker so I had to put my shoes on he jumped me on my back and I flipped him and and I said yeah motherfucker I'm the boss you the boss of this club but I'm the boss of Oakley so and as I flipped him over and he looked up everybody ain't nobody gonna help me they start eating like this so it was funny what happened we always kid around We got that thing that no matter what we do, we see when he smacking me, I smack him, we still tight. Is he your best friend? Yeah.
That's pretty cool. He's the best friend since once I got to the league.
Growing up, I got some other guys in Cleveland. We cool, this and that.
But yeah, for a long jeff, it's like the last 30 years plus. Anytime I call him, he call me back, answer.
He was just upset about what happened in the garden and I just told him the man was wrong and I flew down the next day. Another time, in Vegas I'll tell you that, so that incident was they broke my wrist.
So they called MJ like 4 o'clock in the morning because something had happened, this and that. It was always something.
So they called him like, I'm like, okay, well, he called me. What the fuck going on? I said, man, it was the incident.
I said, who called you? You should know what happened. About now they called, you calling me.
So it means somebody must have called you. I ain't called you.
So, but anyway, they messed my wrist up. I go to Desert Inn Hospital, you know, x-rays show with two fragile bones.
They put a cast on. So the next day, I fly to MJ house having a little party.
I get there. He said, yeah, motherfucker, let me sign your cast.
I said, motherfucker, you ain't signing a motherfucking cast. He said, because, he said cause you know it was a purple cast he's a cute old I said no motherfucker you should have flied there to help me out I would have had a broken wrist but no that's my man he always coming back for me and I'm glad I was a part of him and you know when we had an issue I was there for him that's probably the first time he's offered to sign an autograph in like 50 years.

He gets requested from so many people

and you're like, no, I don't want you, so you're true.

High demand.

That's awesome though. I mean, I think

having Charles Oakley as a best friend

would be pretty cool.

I mean, you know, he made some ways for me

and, you know, a lot of

people always still come up to me, are you still

biting off MJ?

I say, the check check still cash yeah i'm curious what's the difference between at least when you played between a tough player and a dirty player where's that line uh a dirty player when you do something more than once to me i give him i give i give you a freebie yeah second one then i'm taking charge So someone like elbows you in the head. You're like, alright, you get one? Yeah, that's it.
No matter what he do, he get one. And how many times did someone just take that one and they're like, okay, thank you Mr.
Oakley. I will not do another one.
Well, the only guy who did it once and he did it a second time almost tried to catch himself was Oli Thorpe. Okay.
I teed off on him. I mean, because you hit me in the face.
My thing is you almost got to check yourself out of the game because if it happens again, I'm taking over. Right.
But, no, it ain't never happened too often. Yeah.
What do you – where does LeBron rank all time? MJ won LeBron too. Okay.
I like those rankings. Yeah.
I mean – They always want to throw a center at 30, so we'll have to give it to probably Kareem or Shaq. Yeah.
Kareem. And then maybe Magic.
I don't go past three. You don't go past three? I like that.
I got KD. I got KD up there.
Really? Yeah. I mean, he is.
I got KD up there. They tell me.
I always tell them about Bird is not better than KD. What about Wilt? Uh, I wasn't even born.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, he is. I got KD up there.
I always talk about Bird is not better than KD. What about Wilt? I wasn't even born.
Yeah. I was, you know.
Wilt might be better than all of them. But he was playing because everybody was 6'5", 6'6".
Yeah. KD is like, I don't think we'll ever see someone, and obviously you can never say never, but he's seven feet.
I know he says he's not. He's seven feet, and his ability to score and his ability to dribble and do everything is so incredibly out of this world.
Why do they keep messing with KD? I mean, Kyrie. I mean, these reporters are going to have to get over it.
These guys are who they are, and they're not going to change. And, you know, like press first day of camp yesterday,

they went to KD and Kyrie.

I mean, they've been going back and forth.

Term and Jerry. Who was that

used to be on a late night show?

David Letterman asked KD.

How did they let David Letterman? That's embarrassing, though.

I know they tried to do all the stunts, all the publicity,

trying to get all the headlines and news.

You can't do that. I think they let

David Letterman in to ask that question because

they didn't want to have people

Thank you. I know they try to do all the stunts, all the publicity, trying to get all the headlines and news.
You can't do that. I think they let David Letterman in to ask that question because they wanted – No, I just – They didn't want to have people focusing on Kyrie, so they're like, hey, look, we're doing something fun.
They need to stop playing all these prank games. You don't play with these people in life like that.
So, I mean, it is – If he got 20 burning, let him have 20 burning. It's okay.
It's clicks. It's clicks.
And their relationship sells articles and podcasts.

I mean, we're part of the media, so it happens.

We talk about LeBron all the time.

We talk about KD all the time.

So talking about that team, though, you were on a ton of teams.

Team chemistry, I contend, is the most important thing in basketball. Like any other sport, you can get by without having a tight team.
Basketball, you need a tight team because it's only 12 guys. What was the one time where you felt like a team that you were on, the chemistry was falling apart, and you had a part in being like, hey, let's get back together, guys? Toronto.
Yeah? What happened there? It wasn't even falling apart. Training camp had been started.
We had heard about Butch had told everybody. He told everybody a dream.
And I heard about it right 10 minutes before we go out to the first day of training camp. And I called a team meeting.
I sit everybody down. I sit Butch ass in the middle.
I make him go all the way around the circle. And we dress everything he did and told everybody and said in front of the team.
And once we hear everything from you now, we go out and practice as a team. Just had to get it together.
Yeah, yeah. You know, because a lot of coaches sell out guys.
You tell them this, then oh, he'll tell that guy this and, you know, like, if you fight for the best guy, win. Right.
But, no, that was one of the

wild things. God's couldn't believe I called the team me.

Yeah. On the first day.

First day. I love it, though, because it's

a good way to start the season. Oh, yeah.

If you're being honest with everybody, everyone's expectations

are the same. And the chemistry just came like this.

Yeah. We had veterans.
That's what

Vincent Trace was. We just, like, this y'all

team, we're going to do the dirty work.

Dale, D. Brown, you the shooter.
Muggs, you the point guard. I mean, Captain Willis, Dale Davis, I mean, Antonio Davis.
So we had good nucleus after that. Yeah.
What was the strangest part about moving up to Canada after so many years in the United States? I'm always fascinated to know, like, people that go play for the Raptors for the first time, there's got to be some, like, culture differences. Well, the crazy thing was, to me, I was driving.
I was coming from Cleveland. And they stopped me at the border.
And something they said, something on my record. You know, you can't have nothing.
You can't say you smoke a cigarette and throw it out the window over there. They'll send you back where you're coming from.
So something was up. I don't know if it was misprinted or what.
They had me. I had to wait seven hours.
They had to call the prime minister to get me in. So my first day was bad.
Yeah. But it's just different.
I love it being over there. It's clean.
It used to be not a crime. It's just like Chicago over there now.
It's bad. But it's great food, great people.

I mean, it's a great place to live.

This has been awesome.

We really appreciate your time.

You gotta come back.

I try to be honest.

Y'all gotta invite me back with the book.

Yeah, the book.

When the book come out, I'm telling you.

Can we get a B-plus story?

When you get the book, and when I come back,

you're gonna be like, man. Why did you slap charles barkley in the book or the other time both times well how many times have you let me ask a better question how many times have you slapped charles barkley well i will off the court once on the court a few other times but uh no it was just like i said when he was saying it was it was a lockout year it's always a lockout both of them you know it was just, like I said, when he was saying, it was a lockout year.

It's always a lockout.

Both of them, you know, it was a lockout.

He said something.

He just liked to talk.

And he had a game in Atlanta City.

He was, none of them New York guys no good.

So he said none of them guys in New York no good.

I'm playing in New York, so I'm taking it hard.

When somebody's talking about a city I'm in, you're talking about me.

You know, you can be a comedian, whoever.

You said something about Cleveland, you're talking about me.

I'm standing up for my place.

City, New York, Cleveland.

So when I'm in places, people talk, I said something to them.

I don't care.

That becomes a little problematic because you played in a lot of different cities.

So you really can't say anything bad about a lot of cities.

No, just Cleveland and New York.

Okay.

Not Chicago, not Toronto. Well, Chicago.
Oh, yeah, Chicago. And Toronto.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
You're right. Don't say anything bad about a lot of cities.
Well, I've got more Cleveland, Chicago, New York. Toronto is a little different.
Okay. Okay.
Who's on your on-site list? I have no on-site list no more. James Dolan? No, he didn't.
I don't really talk about him. He ain't nothing to talk about.
When you gotta have people around you just as somebody to see you, you ain't nothing to talk about. Yeah.
Alright, so everyone go check out the show October 7th on Fox Soul. Chopping it up with Oak.
You got to come back for the book.

I will come back for the book. That's a book.

We're not book guys.

I'm reading that book.

I'm telling you.

If this book, I ain't going to say what numbers it's going to do,

but like I said, it ain't going to do Michael Jackson

or Whitney Houston number, but we're going to do numbers.

It would do better numbers if you gave us an A story.

If you gave us an A story, it'd do better numbers right now.

We could tell everyone to buy it.

This whole conversation has been A.

It has been A.

It has been a fantastic conversation. I would much rather read Charles Oakley's book filled with A stories than a Michael Jackson book.
I think you have better stories. You might have the best stories of anybody that's ever played in the NBA, actually.
A lot of guys, they're not truthful. They go with the flow.
I go with it. The main thing is, some people just want to do it, but they're scared to do it.
What did this person might say? What did that person might say? My thing is, that's why the book goes there. I've been consistent all through my career.
You call me in. We do an interview.
I'm going to give you the best answer that I can. I ain't going to try to just get the answer, you know, the political answer.
I'm gonna give you the right answer.

What about the time

you poured an entire bottle

of Jack Daniels on a teammate

because he tried to hide

the bottle from you?

That happened?

Yeah, that happened.

That's confirmed?

Yeah.

But you wasted the bottle

even though he was

hiding it from you.

That was just,

we had one

and we had a day off

and the guy had said,

oh, I gotta, you know,

it was crazy how it happened, but T-Mac told that story.

He should have checked in with me. I'm going to get T-Mac.

All I'm about to say,

hey, when you go over here with some story, you got to call the boss.

Call the boss.

Tell my stories.

You know, I was the vet when I came up there. I took care of you now.

Yeah.

Don't let some things get out of the house.

Now, when you were a rookie, did any veteran ever try to check you or keep you in place? Yeah. So I'm going to tell you an A story.
All right. All right.
Great. Here we go.
So we was on a roll in Chicago. I'm a rookie.
We were up in Milwaukee. So I missed the first team bus, you know.
So, you know, like a half hour before the next one. So I missed it, and I wait for the next one.
The first one on the last bus, but I got on first, and the vets were like, oh, Rook, what you doing on this bus? I said, I missed the fucking bus. I mean, I came around the bus.
Oh, yeah, you're going to have to pay for this. I'm saying to myself, pay for what? So, okay, we go to the arena to get in.
So I rush in the locker room because I had to get taped. Rookies, you had to get taped back then.

So I rushed and get on the table

because the other guys went out and went shoot.

Then the vet come in, oh, you

can't get taped right now. I said, tell me why I can't get taped.

No, the vet, no, you

been here early, you want to get taped? I'm like, fuck that.

So he said, okay,

well, you're not going to get taped. I said, well,

you're not going to get taped.

Then Mark Favre was the trainer. He said, oh, you know what the vets do? They get first served.
I said Mark fuck you in the vet. I said if you move me from the table you can get tape.
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And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend for a quick short update about Jacksonville.
It is Pete Prisco. Why do you have to go to't that actually wasn't the insult i was going to say uh pete prisco is joining us from cbs sports he was a former jacksonville beat writer he knows the team inside and out he also is a pervert so it's the perfect guy to have on to talk urban meyer um what's going on how how big of an embarrassment is this is this going to end urban Meyer's career in the NFL before the season's over well it's an embarrassment because he didn't take the flight home it no coach stays behind unless there's a major incident or funeral or medical emergency or something you get on the plane and you go home and if you want to go see your grandkids, you get on your private plane because you make a boatload of money and you go back or you fly them in.
And you could have saw those kids the night before the game on Thursday. So that's a bad excuse.
He just stayed behind. He went out and partied.
And I think this is a problem for him. You saw the statement by Shad Khan saying he's got to regain the trust.
To me, that statement says this. We're not firing you and paying you off.
But I think it puts Urban Meyer in a position where maybe he would resign. Maybe they work out a little bit of a settlement.
So it's a good point about staying behind. So if anyone doesn't know, I mean, everyone knows the story now.
But just to to recap very quickly they play the Bengals on Thursday night the Jaguars go back to Jacksonville Urban Meyer goes to Columbus to party it up on Friday have you ever heard of a coach just being like all right team I'll see you on Monday no I mean you might say that on a Friday after you come back you fly back back with the team and say, hey, look, you got the weekend off. We'll see you on Monday.
But you're going to be doing work. You might take half a day or a day in the weekend to go spend it with the family, but you're going to be back doing your work.
It makes no sense. There's no reason for him to stay behind, ever.
And I've asked around. I can't remember or recall any situation other than maybe a funeral or something where a coach stayed behind and didn't fly back with his team.
So in a weird way, I almost think it's worse for him that he lied about it. It sounds like he lied about it to his team, to his players.
And if he had just, I think if he got in front of his team and been like, hey, listen, I was horny. There was this chick.
I've seen her a couple of times. She asked me to stay behind.
So I said, okay. I went to the bar with her her got my dick grinded on for a while i'm sorry it'll never happen again i think they probably would have had his back on that they probably would have laughed about it and been like okay we all make mistakes i at least understand where you're coming from but the fact that he said like he told his team i was at an event and a woman approached me so bad and and she was flirting with me and i i didn't know what was going on at the time technically she that woman is a grandchild is someone someone's grandchild but he was like i was out with my grandchildren and a woman approached me and uh she was dancing on me and i couldn't ignore her that that when you lie about it to a group of guys who would be understanding i think that does more damage because they're like i can't trust a single word this guy's gonna say yeah and well they dragged me to the dance floor and that didn't quite that wasn't what it looked like and so yeah those players are going yeah coach i don't believe you and then he he invokes his quarterback's name and his apology i mean he threw him out of well i had to warn him when he went to his bachelor party i mean come on patino bad look yeah patino-esque of like these something about these horny coaches they they like deflect so quickly to something else um so we're like you know you cover the league you've you've been around the jaguars for a very long time like where does this how does this play out is this going to be urban meyer steps down in two days or is this going to be urban meyer finds a way to keep coaching at the end of the year like on a scale of bobby petrino to nick saban where's this going to end up i think it's more bobby petrino than nick saban i really do i think this is bad man and it's not just because of this.
There's been so many other things that have gone on and inside the building where he gets into it with coaches and they don't respect him. They don't like him.
They have game plan issues. He interrupts team meetings and positional meetings.
And so I just think that this is a bad, the end, you know, look, he had to strike the conditioning coach he hired from Iowa, bad luck. His special teams coordinator is no longer there when he hired him for whatever reasons, and I don't think he stood by him.
So I think there's all kinds of issues there that this is just the last of them. And when it comes to player trust, if your players don't trust you and you're not winning, it's going to go in a really bad direction.
Yeah, you brought up the statement that Shad Khan released today where he said that he has to regain our trust. I actually think the bigger part of that is saying he must regain our respect because that implies that right now Shad Khan does not respect Urban Meyer.
And if you're Urban, and you see that, you have to start thinking, okay, my days are numbered here. And I think he thinks his days are numbered.
And I think they're going to try and work out a set. That's the way I look at it.
I mean, if you're, if you fire him, you owe him 35 million or whatever you owe him, whatever salary, you know, and there are differing reports about his salary, but it's roughly 35 million, 35 to 40 million. You'd owe him that money because I don't think this is a moral.
I don't think this is really a morals clause situation. I don't think this is, you know, conduct detrimental to the team situation.
Did he tell him he was going to stay behind you? We don't know the details of that. So I don't know if you can fire him with cause, but if you say to him, look, Urban, this isn't working out after the season, the team team's record is bad.
I'm letting you go. Then why not just make it look good for him? Say, okay, I'll give you $10 million.
You walk off into the sunset. I'll make one of the other guys an interim coach, and then we'll go from there.
And that's what I think is more like. Do you think Urban's heart was ever in this? Because it feels like to me that he just took this job because it pays really well he's you know got florida ties it's it's something that almost something to do like the nfl you can you can basically give it a shot and you know you don't have to recruit and you have the first pick and all these things do you think urban meyer actually went into this job with like good intentions of i want to be the coach for the jaguars for the next 10 years and see them, you know, have success.
I think he did. But then when he got the job, he realized the magnitude of it.
It's entirely different. You know, it's not, it's not chilling.
Like the other day when they traded CJ Henderson and CJ Henderson's 10 games into his NFL career. Now CJ Henderson had an issue with him.
He put him on a, supposedly put him on a bike in front of the team after he came back from COVID. He didn't like it.
He didn't want to practice. So that's CJ Henderson's issues as well.
But then he mentions, I talked, I had a good conversation with CJ and his parents. Why on earth is an NFL coach calling parents and talking to parents? These are grown men.
This is their job. They make their living playing football.
And I think that's the disconnect for him. He does understand college is one thing.
The NFL is another. And until you learn that as a guy who's never been in the league, you're going to have failures.
And I think that's where this is coming into play. Yeah, you heard it in training camp with the whole hustle and hydrate, where he's yelling at guys to hustle to hydrate.
That's like the big Urban Meyer thing that he does in practice. And I would imagine everyone just rolled their eyes and they're like, are you fucking kidding me? Why are you telling me that I have to like hustle up to get some water and then hustle back to practice? And also, he said at one point in camp, the players will play for the coach.
No, not on that. Not in this level, they don't.
They play for the green dollar. That's what they play for.
It's all about the money. And once a coach figures that out, then he's okay and he can move on.
Look, Tom Coughlin, when he was the head coach, came in. He was an assistant coach in the NFL.
He had been there before, so he understood what it took. These guys who have never been in the league, like Steve Spurrier was in the league, but he was never in the league coaching.
Those guys have a different situation. It's tough to, the only guy that came from college that was never in the league that really, Joe, I mean, Jimmy Johnson had great success and then he went in the league, but it's a tough transition dealing with the modern NFL player really is.
And to me, this is almost as big a deal for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Like it's on the front office for making this hire to begin with.
Like the old story of the scorpion and the frog, where it's like the scorpion gets on the frog's back. Why'd you sting me? Or why'd you put your finger in my butthole? Well, because I'm Urban Meyer.
That's what happened in Jacksonville. Like that, they should have known what we all knew going into this this which is Urban Meyer is going to try to coach in the NFL like he's coaching in college football and and here's the other thing if he does they don't end up with the first overall pick I don't think he goes back into coaching that was the attraction of it Trevor Lawrence was the guy he brought him back and and I know he's had conversations with people about that that's the reason he went back.
And now they're in danger of ruining him if they don't fix it quickly. The kid's special.
Their offense is outdated. They don't do a lot of things with creativity.
And they also don't have much motion and much talent and speed outside. And so this kid is forced to do things.
You saw it last week. He ran a fourth down.
They ran an option run out of the shotgun on fourth and goal from the inch. I mean, it's ridiculous.
It's just a bad situation. So you can't ruin that kid.
They got to get, they have to get a bright, young offensive mind in there to coach him. And there are a lot of them out there.
So that's one side of the question is like, what did the Jaguars do next? And nobody really has any faith after this hire that they're going to get the next one right but then the other side is urban meyer do you think that this would screw up urban meyer's reputation enough to the point where usc wouldn't even touch him possibly and here's the other part of that is after this whole mess does he even want to go back into coaching yeah i mean you know college coaching is really a grind when it comes to recruiting. I just, you know, how did he recruit?

That's what I want to know. I mean, he's kind of socially, a little socially awkward, it seems like.
And the relationships you hear with people inside the building aren't exactly warm and fuzzy. So how does a guy like that recruit? How do you go into homes and get on Skypes and Zooms and recruit kids? I mean, that's, that's the question that, that I have a hard time figuring out.
I think, you know, obviously recruiting is a dirty, yeah, it's a dirty game. So who knows? Maybe that's how it worked out, but.
Well, I mean, he recruits, it's pretty simple how he recruits. He drops his three national championships on the table.
And he's like, if you come play for me, you're going to – I mean, obviously the school helps too. Ohio State, you know, it's easy to recruit for a school like Ohio State because you're basically saying this is a pipeline to the NFL.
You're going to be on the primetime games. You're going to be in a facility that's state of the art.
I do – do you think that he'll do any health stuff? I feel like that's the only thing we're missing here. Urban's got to do maybe a collapse on the sideline real quick so that he gives himself a nice out.
I hope it does. I think the better thing is to say, look, I've tried this.
I have some issues. Clearly I have issues.
I think this is one of those situations where he has to do it that way and take the payout for $10 million, then walk off into the sunset. Damn.
I could definitely see him saying, like, I've got an addiction. I've got an addiction to getting horny.
Not like a sex addiction, but he just enjoys. No, he wouldn't say that.
He would just say, my migrants are back. Ow, my arm.
He's like the old caddy shack. Yeah.
He's not going to say that. There's no way he's saying that.
I mean, then, then, then you're just, yeah, you're just, you're just tainted. No way.
No, no, no, no. He will not say that, but, but there are ways to get out of it.
And here's the other thing, you know, the other, from his family standpoint, what do they want him to do? I mean, well, that's the issue. the issue.
I think his wife actually wanted him to go out and get a little, you know, graze up on some ass and get his confidence about it. Yeah, I do.
I doubt it. I think so.
I think that it's a possibility that was true. But from what I've read about this, after the fact, so Urban's still lying about it.
He still hasn't finished lying about what happened. The girl that was in question, he knows her.
They've worked together in the past. It's not like it was a random person that called him over and started grinding on him.
How do you know that? Because I've done some deep digging on the internet, Pete. Well, there's a lot of people who don't like Urban Meyer who have written a lot of articles.
I read some stuff, too. It's like, it's very, I mean, it's public.
Yeah, it's public. He's tagged her in pictures that he's taken before.
And so he knew her going into this. And yeah, it's, he needs to at some point stop lying, but Urban Meyer won't ever stop lying.
That's the problem. And he also sucks at apologizing.
Oh, he's the worst apologizer ever. When he was at Ohio State, we were like, he needs a vice president of apologies just to write a statement.
Well, his apologies always end up becoming apologies for not apologizing correctly so he never actually actually he's a genius at apologizing because he never actually has to apologize for the act he just has to not apologize and then apologize for not apologizing it's genius when you think about it yeah i i think he the apology here was that he lied i mean that's the worst part of it if you if you get caught like this and you – definitely it's all out there. Just say, yeah, I messed up.
I screwed up. I'm an embarrassment to my team.
I'm going to explain to them why I did it. Don't say, I got pulled out to the dance floor.
I mean, I was there with my grandkids. That's the worst part of it.
Just fess up. You know, once a guy messes up, we tend to move on.
Yeah. No, it's true.
He hasn't figured he hasn't figured that out um all right Pete last thing uh we're four games into the NFL season would you like to give us an updated Super Bowl matchup well my Super Bowl matchup before the season was Buffalo and Tampa Bay and I think I'll stick with that for now I know Tampa Bay hasn't been playing very well I think Buffalo wins at Kansas City this week I what they've done on defense. I think the one thing they did was they drafted to knock down Patrick Mahomes because they only sacked him twice in two games last year.
Boogie Basham, Russo, that gang, Epinesa. I think they're going to get after him.
I think the Bills are the best team in the AFC. And the Cardinals are playing well, but I think Tampa Bay will get it together and start playing really well on defense.
Okay. And Russell Wilson, how close is he to an MVP vote from you? No.
Not right now. Damn.
Kyler Murray is your Russell Wilson MVP. I tell you what, Kyler Murray is in the conversation for sure.
He's having a great year, and that's an interesting team. Will they beat the 49ers this week? That's a good question.
I say yes. We're going gonna start a memorial a russell wilson memorial even though he hasn't passed that will all be in the title uh halfway point mvp so kyle murk kyler murray by week eight i think we'll get our halfway point mvp well he got hurt last year remember otherwise he was in the mvp conversation and it's for for Russell Wilson.
The problem with that is every year he starts out really fast,

and then Pete Carroll takes over and says,

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That's why it's named after him.

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That's a great – hey, give it to him.

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What size neck do you have? That looks like big a substantial and a half yeah pete my roback question is if you were uh in urban meyers shoes would you have uh cupped the ass more i wouldn't have done it oh you wouldn't have done it wow you would have you would have ignored her Yeah, Yeah, wow, okay, wow Better man than Urban What would you two have done? No, I mean, I would have gotten on that fucking dance floor Urban's very good at ignoring women When one of their assistant coaches are assaulted Don't you have, like, two little kids I do, I wouldn't be at a bar I wouldn't be at a bar on a Friday night That's just actually Neither would I Yeah, so I wouldn't put myself in bar. I wouldn't be at a bar on a Friday night.
That's just actually. Neither would I.
Yeah. So I wouldn't put myself in that situation.
The MD-40, whatever. What was that you used to drink? Mad Dog 2020.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Nah, you would have been out.
No, Mad Dog 2020, you lose all ability to function. Yeah.
It's kind of like a really good way to never get yourself in trouble like that. It's just get drunk too early So it's like quaalude in a bottle then There you go Yep Throwback Yeah Not that I know anything about that or anything Pete, thank you very much We appreciate you as always Alright guys, anytime Alright, see you Pete Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest It It is our newest co-worker, Jersey Jerry.

It was always Jersey Jerry.

Jerry, can you introduce yourself and tell everyone quickly your path from where you were to where you are now?

And then we'll get to some blue, what do we call it?

Bring your lunch pail.

Bring your lunch pail.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

Jersey Jerry.

I'm 27.

I've been blue collar for seven years.

Union pipe fitter, A55.

Till I die, I'm still on the Union book.

But now I work for Barstool Sports.

What were you doing before you were blue collar?

I was bagging groceries.

That's still blue collar.

Yeah, so I guess maybe a good place to start with this would be,

what is your definition of what is and what isn't blue collar? I think anybody who gets up early and goes to work, packs their lunch, and works on their feet and works hard, I think that's blue collar. I love it.
I love it. So you're working on gas lines.
Yeah, high pressure gas line. Yeah.
Dangerous job. Always following the rules.
Yep. Safety first.
Except when the vape comes. Yeah, then you got to have a vape on you you gotta keep that thing on you but it's uh great that you're here great that you're fighting in rough and rowdy you're a very funny guy you've been doing some funny stuff for a while now so this isn't just out of the blue but uh we thought it'd be good to have you on to talk blue collar every couple you you know, once a month or once every six months or six weeks or so.
Questions from the people. Also, for people who are not watching on YouTube, Jersey Jerry, very good looking guy.
Got a great chain. Is that true? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, you know, I made it clear two days ago that I do wear it in half, but I didn't say it on air. Yeah.
And then I said, let's keep that in the office. Big cat's such a shamer.
That's rule number one. Can you bleep out seven and a half? Yes, bleep it out.
Bleep it out. Bleep it out.
Please bleep it out. Can you please bleep it out? Jerry, you breed French bulldogs too, right? Yep.
There it is. Yeah, let's take a look.
You got them on the arm there. Do you have any puppies right now or what? Yep, I got four.
How cute are they? I have two puppies, sorry. Two puppies.
Right now. Yeah, I love French Bulldogs.
Why are you looking at me like that, Hank? Beautiful dogs. Great dogs.
Jersey Jerry's. Is that blue collar work? What the fuck? Breeding French Bulldogs? Oh, yeah, for sure.
Yeah. I'm looking at half a buck somewhere.
You have to get up. You work on your feet when you breathe the French Bulldogs?

Of course, yeah.

You got to regulate their temperatures and everything.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

It's a lot of work.

Not glamorous work either.

Dirty work.

He just lul-lul-lul in my face.

See, he's lul-luling me.

All right, so Jerry, very excited.

Let's do some blue-collar talk.

Now people submit questions.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

You like it?

Yeah, it's cool.

It's fucking best.

Also, if you're a Steelers fan, Jersey Jerry is like the number one Steelers fan.

He's from the famous video, no dishes, no nothing.

You find me hanging from the ceiling.

He was yelling at his mom.

It's great video.

Thanks, Big Cat.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm your agent.

You know, I love you.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Although I might not be your agent.

I fucked up today.

Whatever.

All right, Billy, go ahead. What? That's what you do Fucked up actually as an agent Wow as an actually wasn't my fuck up.
I'm just owning it. It was Jerry's You was but at the same time you you could have said hey chair.
I don't think this is a good idea Well, you're right. But it was your idea.
Wait, what was the fuck up? He wanted to trade. Jersey Jerry worked in his contract two pizzas a month.
He wanted to trade the two pizzas a month to try to get Mike Tyson to walk him out at Ruff and Rowdy and it didn't go well. The negotiation didn't go well.
Wait, are you negotiating against Big Cat? No, I'm his agent. We went and tried to negotiate it, but it was...
It doesn't sound like you're his agent. No.
I'm wearing his facial expressions right now. Hank is a fucking skell.
Threw in his mouth. He's a pot stirrer.
But we rebounded from that. I think so.
And we got you the granola bars. Yeah, I think we're all right for now.
All right. Go ahead, Billy.
PMT gang and Jerry, I need your help. I took a job out of college that promised to give me exposure to multiple parts of my company's business over the course of more than a year.
I'm three months into the job, and I've been working 10-plus-hour days, starting at 5 a.m. doing the work no one else wants to do.
In this case, doing manual labor and dealing with foul-smelling products we get back from customers. People keep telling me to keep my head down and that the experience will be worth it but the day to day can be completely physically mentally draining what advice do you have to get through it feeling gritty but frustrated good question definitely definitely a good question um you know the philosophy i've always had and i've always told my mom this you know know, no matter how bad a day I'm having, no matter what, I believe in blue collar and I believe in the work ethic.
You know, it took me, I'd say, seven years of blue collar. Blue collar was never my dream.
Blue collar was just a grind. My dream was to be a star.
My dream was to be Jersey Jerry. And it took seven years of blue collar.
And look at me now. I'm at my dream.
So this guy must have a dream. He has to keep grinding.
And until then, it might take seven days. It might take seven years.
It might take 17 years. But he has to keep grinding.
I love Jerry. That's a great fucking advice.
I absolutely love it. Do you think that there's, so the way he was describing what he does at work, they said you're going to be exposed to all different parts of the company.
It sounds like that might not be a very easy way to get ahead at the company because you're just floating around and probably doing different departments' dirty work instead of finding your lane and having one department that you work for. You make your name at it.
Exactly. It's probably easier to build up the ladder that way.
Am I wrong? I agree. I agree with that.
You got to basically say, now that I've seen every part of how it works, pick the one part you actually like and tell your boss that. Good point.
Yeah. What's up, fellas? I work as a laborer on a construction crew in New Jersey.
I like this. Sitting up.
One day before work, I arrived at the site earlier than usual and noticed another car was parked not too far from me. As I glance over the car next to me, I see a head pop up from the driver's window.
I made direct eye contact with both individuals. Turns out the security guards

from the site was getting a little

morning loving.

I legitimately

didn't know that.

Finn looked over and saw

that ever happen on the site?

No.

Later that day, I was approached by the same

man and offered tickets to the Yanks game.

I had no idea.

I didn't actually see the Sopranos. I'm the one that picked the questions.
I didn't know that because I haven't fucking watched the Sopranos because Big Cat and P.A.T. spoiled it for me.
What do you think about that, Jerry? What do you think about that? I didn't see where that question was going. I've watched the Sopranos, but I don't remember that part.
Are there any no-show jobs? What do you mean no-show jobs? Like there's a guy who shows up and walks a book. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Can you get one of those? Can you get us one of those? Yeah, but you don't try to talk about that.
Okay, sorry. What about if everybody starts picketing outside? The boss has ever sent in some thugs to rough you up? No, no.
We run the show. You know, the supervision, you know, if we don't like something, we're going to stand down.
We're not going to work. And then when we don't work, you know, lights and gas, electric, none of that stuff works.
So they know not to mess with us. Did you ever have to, being in a union, did you ever have to go stand outside with the big rat? Yeah, and it's tough because think about it like this.
There's guys that have been in this company 35, 45 years. They built a big bankroll.
They can go on strike for six weeks, six months, and it not affect them. But there's a lot of young kids, and it takes kid, you know, who doesn't have a big, big bankroll to be without work for, you know, six weeks until, you know, we negotiate.
But that's union life. But that's that.
Welcome to the union. Yes.
I like it. What number are you? 855 pipe fitter.
855 pipe fitter. Love it.
Are you still a member? Yes, I will be. Yeah.
Okay. 12 bucks a month.
Still paying the dues? 17. $17, sorry.
I want to pay the dues. I do.
Could I join that union right now and just not actually work but pay them? See, I don't think that'll work. Yeah, I've tried.
I've tried to just pay for it. Yeah.
Cat, hungry eyes, honk, and the rest. Sup? We unioned up over a year ago.

Our union hasn't done jack shit for us as workers.

And our dumbasses accepted a four-year contract as our first contract.

Two guys got sent sending dick pics,

and only one of them got pushed out.

What are we supposed to do?

Sounds like it's a bubblegum union.

What's a bubblegum union? It's a fraud union. It's a fake union.
Yeah. You know? Union in name only.
Yeah. Yeah, no.
I would love to know what union that is. Yeah.
I mean, right off the bat, red flags, four-year deal. We don't do those.
Yeah, what do you guys do? What are the standard terms? No, we do one or two. Love it.
Because we always want more money. We always want better benefits.
You know what I mean? And there's a lot of unions that we need to give up something to get something. No.
We get. We don't give up.
Yeah. There you go.
I love it. Is there a clubhouse that the union hangs out at? Yeah, not really a clubhouse, I would say.
They do a lot of events, though.

Like a tree fort?

Not so much.

They have the hall, but nobody really hangs out there.

Got it.

What kind of events do you do?

Do you have a barbecue? They have a golf event, barbecue, stuff like that.

Yeah.

Christmas party, stuff like that.

I love it.

Do you have to bring your own potluck?

No, no, everything is paid for.

Nice.

From that, that's part of paying your dues, too. Yeah.
These parties, they throw. It comes out of that.
Yeah. But I would love to know what union is.
Yeah, that bubblegum union. Get out of here.
So a four-year deal, that's got to be, that's a pretty sweet gig if you're like the head of that union where you just say, okay, we negotiated this deal. Now I don't have to do anything for the next four years.
Exactly, yeah. They need to be working for the workers.
And you got to be careful with head of unions, man. Those guys.
Watch them, you know. I heard you're paying houses.
Yeah. You know.
All right, next, Billy. What's up, guys? Especially Jerry, Bubba, and Liam.
My buddy in sanitation is addicted to getting catfished. Every day he shows me more and more porn stars that he believes he's sexting with.
The real problem is that he shows me the sex and in the process shows me all his dick pics. It's not blue collar to go to HR with this issue.
So any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
Is this... I don't even know what to make of this.
Yeah. He's just DMing.
Yeah. You ever have guys that overshare stuff with you on the job? Yeah, like stuff about their life and their marriage and stuff like that.
I mean, the divorce rate, I don't think you could look this up, but we've done studies, like people in the union, like higher ups. The divorce rate for us is like over 70%.
Holy shit. Because guys are working 70, 80 hours a week.
You know what I mean? Have you ever met guys in your line of work that maybe were DMing chicks and being like, oh, she might be real? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
If you're on a construction site, is there any truth to the whole urban legend to concrete blondes that hang out in and around the site? In case overtime goes a little late. It's more of like in the shittier areas.
Yeah. You know, like your Pattersons and stuff like that.
You don't whistle at women when they would. No.
You respect women. I don't cheat or I don't do none of that.
Yeah. You don't even know how to whistle.
Yeah, that's fucking terrible. The guy, you're like Prince Andrew, you can't even sweat.
Let's do some role playing real quick. Billy is a hot chick and he walks past you.
You're wiping the sweat off your brow on a construction site. What do you say to him as he walks past? Hey, ma'am, have a good day.
That's awesome. I love it.
I love it. What a gentleman.
Yeah. We need to take back some of these stereotypes.
Yes. They're offensive against construction workers.
Yes. How good does a cold beer taste after like a 12-hour day? Well, I don't drink.
Yeah, he doesn't drink. Okay.
All right. How good do you think it would taste? As his agent, we plead the fifth on that question.
Okay. You don't have to answer these.
How good does an ice-cold Coca-Cola taste after 12 hours? I'll tell you what, it hits a little different when it's in the glass, too. Yeah, it does.
A couple Cheez-Its. Yeah.
Full fat. The Mexican Coke.
The best. Yes.
All right, go ahead, Billy. Hello, white-collar cat, PFT, Hank, and the boys.
Question for Jersey Jerry. I may have been a safety manager at a steel fabrication plant.
The other day, I might have had a guy lose his finger on the job. Oh.
He may have approached me carrying his detached finger and asked me what he should do. Jerry, what would you do in that situation if you were the's a guy I work with.
His name is Pete D. I won't say the last name, but that's actually happened.
Bringing the bed down, the finger, he got caught. You know the stuff that you dump dump like concrete and stuff like that they were bringing it

down and his hand was there

sliced his finger right off

and he brought it to get reattached

brought it like in hand

to the hospital but that doesn't get

reattached no it was done

so he's got a half a digit

he's got a finger like that

and then does he get paid out

disability oh yeah

how much do you think one finger is worth

good question it goes by body

Thank you. You got a finger like that.
Yeah. And then does he get paid out disability? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

How much do you think one finger's worth?

It goes by, good question.

It goes by body parts.

Oh.

So what is it? It goes by a finger is like one of the least amount of money you can get.

Oh, really?

It's a thumb, though.

That's probably a lot.

It doesn't matter.

So let's just role play here.

If Big Ben was a union worker, how much money would he get disability?

Millions?

Bodies beat up, man. You know,ose.
Neck. Elbow.
Elbows. Back foot.
Both feet. Knees.
Shins. Multi-millions.
His body is broken. Broken, man.
What's up, boys? I have been an electrician for about four years now, and during my first year about lunchtime, on this day, I got out of my car and seen a trail of blood, and I wanted to see what was going on. Come to find out, a man actually cut off half his leg due to a circular saw.
Oh. I wasn't sure what to do.
I did not want to have everyone look at me because I didn't want to be known as the guy who can fix everything including a guy's leg actually hanging on by the skin. Any thoughts on what I should have done? Medics eventually came and I never heard about the guy again.
I'm sure Billy would know what I should have done. This guy had terrible grammar.
Yeah, I mean, you know, in the union, we believe in, you know, brotherhood, and, you know, that's your dying brother right there, and you're just gonna leave him to die like that? I would have picked up the leg. Yeah? And done what? Call for help.
Picked it up and just maybe waved it over your head like, help, help, help. Found an ice machine.
Yeah. Stick it in there.
Just kind of just jam it back in the socket. Something.
It sounds like this guy didn't do anything. Yeah, it sounds like he panicked and just froze up.
What did he say? Four years on the job? Come on. Four years.
These people become your family. Yeah.
First year on the job. What would you say? What's the worst injury that you've ever seen on a site? Electrocution.
Oh. tough.
Jackhammer in the ground through the concrete and he hit underground electric. It's bad.
He's paid off now and never work again. Survived.
Survived. I was waiting for you.
Burns throughout his whole arm and chest. Oh, man.

Back inside of his neck.

What about that old urban legend?

Or maybe it's a real story about the guy that was working up on the 10th floor,

and then he fell off, but he had a thing of sheet metal that he held onto

with both his hands, and he glided down to the earth.

Is that real?

I think that's fake.

Yeah, that's dead.

He's done.

All right, last one, Billy.

Blue collar. Jer, nothing worse than a new Porter John on the job site.
645, hung over his shit, head in my hands, dropping a hammer. I made a bird's nest, but I think it sunk.
Caught some splashback, ended up with walking out with a blue chin. What is this? That's all he said.
All right. Yeah, I mean, a brand new Port-A-John, nothing inside of it.
You know, at least if it's used for quite some time, you got toilet paper in there, you got feces, you're going to get no splashback like that. I didn't.
So a new Port-A-John you'd think would be great, but not. No.
So you get the blue splashback. Get the splashback.
So what do you do to mitigate that? I just ball up toilet paper and just keep throwing it in there, throwing it in there, fill it up. Break it in a little bit.
Break it in. Like a catcher's mitt.
Fill the whole thing up. Exactly.
What other little quirk about the job site that us white-collar guys don't understand um but uh the foreman pays for lunch on fridays every friday yeah fuck yes yeah how many guys is that for uh usually we have a crew of four or five people i love it what's the standard lunch order uh whatever we whatever we want it can go uh from a steak sandwich to mcdonald's don't matter now the best the best like it is the best to go get, right? Be the guy who's going to get the lunch? Because that means you don't have to work for an hour. The most junior guy always goes.
But that's almost better, right? Sometimes we like the junior guy to get away and go. Ah, because he doesn't know how to talk with the guys.
Yeah. He asks too many questions.
Yeah, plus, you know what I mean? I'll tell you what, for me, it was tough for a year and a half, two years. It was tough to get used to the type of people these people are.
You know what I mean? It's not like you go there and if you're a cool, funny guy, you're like this with them. No, they need to trust you.
Yeah, they need to see that you work hard. Exactly.
And you're safe. Then after you prove yourself, then people start asking, hey, I want this guy on my crew.
I want him on my crew. So were you a coveted guy? Yeah, I'd say so.
What was your moment that you knew that you were in? I had a buddy now. We call him O.T.
Tommy. Okay.
Yeah, he's one of the highest guys in our shop. And this guy, he's one of the youngest foremen there, but he's feisty.
He don't take shit from nobody. And he wouldn't talk to me for a long time.
And then all of a sudden, one day, he's like, yo, you're on my crew. And I'm like, you sure? Because they didn't put me with you under the paper.
He's like, no, I said you're on my crew. So I said, okay.
And he's only like two, three years older than me. Yeah.
So I'm like, all right, no problem. I went on Tommy's crew.
I never left his crew. Oh, hell yes.
And he just had your back? Yeah, my back, whatever. I'm going to his wedding Saturday.
Oh, well, congrats to O.T. Tommy.
O.T. Tommy.
Probably going to be a beautiful wedding with all the O.T. Oh, yeah.
Nice, like steak, lobster, everything. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff.
You know, there's a lot, a lot of, you know, I can't say much about the time, but let's just say, and when you're union, you could be home still getting paid. Oh, okay.
I like that. So that's what we need.
We need to get us. Yeah, I like how you called it a shop, too.
Can we call, like, is this room when we do part of my tickets? A shop? A shop? It could part of my take It could be a shop When you're in here doing blue collar Bring your lunch pail Wednesdays I might be the shop steward Go get us lunch He's not junior That's Billy's job He always gets us lunch We make him clock out though when he does Sometimes he forgets to clock in. We make that money back.
Yeah. You know what I'm talking about, Jerry.
Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. I know how that goes.
All right. Jerry, would you like to pick a number? Sure.
We guess numbers. One to 100.
And then we end the show. Mm-hmm.
Go ahead. Just one number? Yeah.
21. 21.
21. All right.
I'm going to go 97. 99.
6. 69.
18. 18.
8. I'm going to go 6.
6. Jerry, if you get this, it would be the greatest moment in history.
16. Close.
Yeah, close. Yeah, it's pretty close.
5 away. 5.
Not bad. You always do 1? Yeah.
And what happens if you win it? You just get satisfaction. You want us to do 1 more? Sure.
Alright, close. Yeah, it's pretty close.
Five away. Five.
Not bad. You always do one? Yeah.

And what happens if you win it?

You just get satisfaction.

You want us to do one more?

Sure.

All right, okay.

Same numbers.

This doesn't count, but it counts for Jerry and Jerry only.

All right, we're going to go.

Jerry, go ahead.

Only Jerry gets this one.

This doesn't count for the record.

Let's just see if Jerry can get it.

Ah, 80.

That's what I was going to say.

You want to go one more?

Nah.

I've been here all day.

All right, one more.

All right.

21.

Just one more.

21.

All right, all right.

Like the family feud thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just keep going.

Ah, 89.

Not so close.

No.

That's pretty cool though.

Yeah.

I like it.

Love you guys.

Love you guys. I'll be gone.
And I turn your turn. Needless to say.
I'll hold a sentence. But I'll be still running it away Telling them That life is okay Stay up to me It's better To be gone.
In a day or two. Things that you say.
Is it a lot for Just to blame my worries away You're all things I've got to remember These shying away I'll be coming for you anyway Take on me

Take me on

I'll be gone

In a deep I'll be gone. Take a knee.