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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have Charles Oakley in

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Speaker 1 Great interview with Oak, talking about his career in the NBA, being best friends with Michael Jordan, being the last of the enforcers.

Speaker 1 We also have Pete Prisco from Jacksonville to talk about Urban Meyer and the fiasco that has ensued in the last couple of days down in Jacksonville. We're going to talk some college football.

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Speaker 1 Monday night football, hot seat, cool throne. We have the recap, time traveling of the Red Sox Yankees one-game wild card.
And then we have a very new

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Speaker 1 Bring Your Lunch Pail. It's a new segment.

Speaker 1 We'll probably do it once a month and every month and a half with Jersey Jerry, similar to Guys on Chicks, similar to Guys on Checks, where we talk about blue-collar work.

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So, here's the setting.

Speaker 1 It is 2 o'clock in the afternoon, 2.30 in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 We're going to make our predictions, and then in a second, you're going to hear us time travel and react to the Red Sox Yankees one-game wild card. As you can hear, there's some sirens in the back.

Speaker 1 Fuck you, Pete. So, let's go around the room.
Predictions, and then we'll kick it to ourselves at 11 p.m. tonight after the game.
Hank, you start. 11 p.m.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, oh, yeah, actually, it's Red Sox Yankees. Probably like one in the morning.

Speaker 7 This game is never going to end. I think it's going to be Red Sox 6, Yankees 4.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 Take the overall. Yeah, take the overall.

Speaker 7 Or Red Sox money line.

Speaker 1 Maybe a little parlay. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, nice.

Speaker 5 I'm going to go Yankees.

Speaker 1 What the fuck?

Speaker 7 5-4.

Speaker 5 Well, I've got reasons, Hank. I'm sure you do.

Speaker 5 Can I explain why? I guess. I'm listening to what the universe is telling me.
The Powerball number that was drawn in Boston was 1-9-7-8, 1978.

Speaker 5 1978, the Red Sox blew like a 20-game lead over the Yankees, went to a one-game playoff, a tiebreaker game. Yankees win 5-4.
Yankees go on to win the World Series over the Dodgers.

Speaker 5 That's what's happening this year.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Okay.

Speaker 5 The universe talks.

Speaker 1 You need to listen.

Speaker 1 All right. I'm going to go with.

Speaker 1 You know what? I'll go Red Sox 4-3. Under.
Under. Yikes.
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like...
No, fuck that. Fuck that.
That would suck.

Speaker 1 Red Sox 9-8.

Speaker 1 Okay. 9-8.
Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Bombs everywhere.

Speaker 5 So we're all agreeing the over is hitting.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 my good friend on the field, not off, Araldus Chapman will blow the game because that is kind of what he does now. So it will be a very back-and-forth, fun game, crazy game.

Speaker 1 Rizzo is going to hit three home runs, Schwarber, two home runs. So it's going to, everyone's going to be like, wow, the Cubs.
It's going to basically be a 2016 Cubs montage.

Speaker 5 Whatever happens, I just hope that either Stanton or Judge. I would prefer it if Judge struck out five times tonight, actually.

Speaker 5 It'd be cool if the Yankees won, but still Judge just can't get a hit this postseason. Someone needs to be blamed.
I need a story that's going to start bubbling up. It's going to make people...
Give

Speaker 5 somebody easy to point the finger at.

Speaker 1 Jarrett Cole getting chased after two innings would be great. Oh, that'd be amazing.
That'd be very fun to watch. All right, Jake.

Speaker 5 Schwarberg going yard off Cole, hitting the ball 500 feet would be amazing.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go Yankees 7, Red Sox 5. Look for an unlikely hero in the name of Andrew Velazquez Velazquez or Greg Allen for the Yankees.

Speaker 1 I can't quite hear you, Jake.

Speaker 1 Do you have a mask on? Yes.

Speaker 2 There you go, Jake. Trying to protect you guys.
Yeah, he's head of the weather.

Speaker 1 All right, thank you, Jake. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 7-5 Yankees, unlikely hero in the name of Andrew Velazquez or Greg Allen.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Yeah.
And then Billy, right before we kick ourselves, kick it to ourselves.

Speaker 8 I'm going to go 6-3 Yankees. I think Stanton Judge are going to be popping off.

Speaker 1 Okay, so now that's the over two balls. Yeah, now that we've all said this, it's going to be a 2-1 game.
Absolutely. And terrible to watch.

Speaker 5 I admire the balls on Hank to get mad at me for rooting against one of his teams in his face. Hank would never do that.
Nope.

Speaker 1 Ever. Well, I'm just trying to do a little research, PFT.

Speaker 7 I'm not seeing any hits for this Powerball story.

Speaker 1 You're not?

Speaker 1 I could be wrong.

Speaker 1 I won't. What research are you doing? I'm curious.
Boston Powerball.

Speaker 7 Powerball 1978.

Speaker 1 Okay. How did you see it?

Speaker 5 Okay,

Speaker 5 I'm going to bring some facts to

Speaker 5 this fight right now.

Speaker 5 Sorry, the evening number for the Massachusetts lottery was 1978.

Speaker 5 Massachusetts.

Speaker 5 Yes. Interesting.

Speaker 1 All right. Okay.
There we go. Sorry, not the powerball.
So let's kick it to ourselves. Here we are.

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 9 Game in the books. Some of us were right.
Some of us were wrong. The Red Sox go to the next round.
They beat the Yankees 6-2.

Speaker 9 The story of the night. Besides Hank, we'll let you talk about your Red Sox.

Speaker 9 We have to, though, address the greatest call of all time, John Sterling, calling a Stantonian home run

Speaker 9 that did not go out of Fenway Park, did not even result in a double. It was a single.

Speaker 9 And he gives us one of the greatest lines I've ever heard in broadcasting history when he just said, What did I do wrong? What did I miss?

Speaker 9 Let's play it.

Speaker 10 The pitch to Stanton. Trending goes deep left.
It is high. Nit is far.
Bad as God out of the ballpark a stantonian home run

Speaker 10 now what did what did I do wrong what did I see wrong

Speaker 10 he's in first base

Speaker 9 I can't get enough of this call it is so goddamn funny and I honestly think like as bad as the Yankees looked and Garrett Cole looked and how much money they spent on Garrett Cole this this call is bigger than the game so you can take solace in in that, Yankee fans, that like we can just make fun of this and just forget that Garrett Cole is a complete joke.

Speaker 11 Huge winner, Tom Brennaman, because this was a deep drive to left.

Speaker 11 What's funny is the call itself was Stantonian in a way. Like it instantly became Stantonian because it overtook the hit that Stanton had off the Green Monster, even though it didn't even hit high up

Speaker 11 off the wall. It hit kind of the first one halfway down towards the base.
Second one was a much longer drive that he hit.

Speaker 11 Legacy game for the Green Monster overall, though. We don't talk enough, we don't give enough credit to how ridiculous the green monster is of a thing.

Speaker 11 Like baseball, I love that baseball has that, the little unique quirks about the ballparks. And even Wright Field in Boston is a hilarious little place, too.

Speaker 11 But what a showing by the Green Monster tonight.

Speaker 9 It is

Speaker 9 very funny, too. It makes me miss the hill in the middle of Astro Stadium, in the middle of center field that was just so, so dangerous.
And the poll. Yeah, in the poll.

Speaker 9 So, Hank, you, you obviously, winner gets to speak first. Uh, we'll then let Jake and Billy go.
That was a good night for the Red Sox. They march on.

Speaker 9 They have to face the Rays now, but anytime you can beat the Yankees, I would say that's a very, very good night, right? Absolutely. Uh, always good to beat the Yankees.

Speaker 9 Also, at some point at the end of the broadcast, I couldn't tell if the announcer was trolling, but he was like, no one really expected the Red Sox to do anything this year.

Speaker 9 So, like, they're exceeding all expectations. So, I feel like being one of the highest payrolls and being an underdog in the playoffs, no matter what, is a good thing.

Speaker 1 We'll use that to our

Speaker 9 raise.

Speaker 11 What they were saying is, like, uh, we up at the start of the season and didn't think that they were going to do a good job, but yeah, you're right.

Speaker 11 Like, they did, they're always going to have expectations if it's the Red Sox or the Yankees.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Now, Jake, Billy, anything you'd like to say? Jake, maybe, I mean, Billy did tell us that he was, oh, Billy, hey, what's up, Whitey? Uh, that's Billy's dog.

Speaker 9 If you're listening, not watching, not just some random person in Billy's apartment.

Speaker 9 Jake, why don't you start? Yeah. So first off on the John Sterling call.
Usually I tiptoe around broadcasting miscuse. I have no excuses here.
He was in the stadium.

Speaker 9 It wasn't a Remy broadcast.

Speaker 9 It was just tough all the way around.

Speaker 9 Sorry, if you can finish what you're going to say. No, I mean, you could say his age.
I mean, he is a broadcasting legend.

Speaker 9 He never misses games, but this one you missed and no no call is ever going to be perfect but you missed this one i think i think it's the combo of stantonian

Speaker 9 and then to just like it almost was like he he was talking to no one and i just think of like the poor person who is like driving home from work they had to work late and they're like i missed the first inning because it was the first inning and like everyone's been in that spot where they're listening to a game on the radio and the the broadcaster gets too excited and you're, it's like a warning track shot.

Speaker 9 If you were listening to that, that's a no-doubter out of Fenway Park, over the Green Monster. Out of the stadium.

Speaker 9 Out of the stadium, out of the state. That's a Stantonian home run.
And then to have him just be like, just very plainly be like, what did I miss?

Speaker 9 I will say, if he was calling it off of a monitor, I do think

Speaker 9 the cameraman screwed up too. Yeah.
But again, he was there. So you can't use that as an excuse.

Speaker 11 He was there, but like you said, he's in his 80s.

Speaker 11 I wouldn't be surprised if he was looking at the monitor to give him a little bit more hope because that's closer to his eyeballs. And the camera guy did get faked out big time.

Speaker 11 It was like on a really sick play action pass in the United States.

Speaker 9 And so did Matt Vasgurgia on the SPN broadcast. Yeah, no, he was bad.
Yes, he was bad too. Billy.

Speaker 5 I shut it off when Judge got thrown out at home.

Speaker 12 Like, us as the Billy household didn't have a good time.

Speaker 12 Just started watching squid game.

Speaker 9 All-time terrible send

Speaker 9 by Phil Nevin there. All-time terrible send.
And I mean, that kind of changed the game right there.

Speaker 9 Because it was a 3-1 game. And

Speaker 9 you finally get Evaldi out of the game who pitched incredible.

Speaker 9 Guy comes in, you know, first to batter. He hits that.
And then you get your second out at home plate. That was brutal.
That was the game.

Speaker 11 So is being a third base coach, sneaky, like a really, really difficult job, especially compared to being a first-base coach where you just kind of stand there and scratch yourself and then pick up their shoulder package.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah,

Speaker 11 that's all you do at first base.

Speaker 11 But third base, when there's a ball hit to the outfield, especially with the green monster, you're doing all the calculations in your head in like real time, and you're going to fuck everything up.

Speaker 11 It's almost impossible to do.

Speaker 11 But the third base coach, obviously, for the Yankees, did a bad job. The third base coach for the Red Sox also fucked up, but he got bailed out because he changed it at the the last.

Speaker 11 Like, he's like, stop, no, go, go, stop. I, and then they just ended up getting an easy run out of it, turns out.
But yeah, it was uh, that's a tough job. My heart goes out to the third base guys.

Speaker 9 I don't think that I, I, I, yeah, I mean, it's a hard job, but also, it's like, that's your only job.

Speaker 9 And, like, if your only job is to know exactly how good of an arm everyone has and how good everyone is throwing, and also know the moment that it's a 3-1 game, you finally got the starter out of the game.

Speaker 9 You have, you would have second and third with one out. Like,

Speaker 9 it's a crazy scent. It is.
It's a crazy scent. And it wasn't even a great relay.
And they had him out by a, you know, like pretty easily.

Speaker 9 The only other thing I have is obviously, and I knew this was going to happen. The former Cubs just fucking mashed.
Rizzo and Schwarber both homered. Schwarber hits home runs.

Speaker 9 Like, they are just so fucking beautiful. Like, his swing is so compact.

Speaker 9 And if you throw him anything high like that and he gets it like chest high, he's just going to, it looks like a guy, it looks like a kid playing wiffle ball, but he gets the big red bat and he just gets to mash and everyone else is using the skinny yellow bat.

Speaker 9 Like, that's what it looks like when he hits a home. Did he have that home run big hat in the in the World Series when we were there

Speaker 9 in the World Series?

Speaker 9 No, that was uh Miguel Montero when we were in that. That was the Bell running.
Oh, yeah, that was the beer show. Yeah, I thought that was in the MLCS, not the not the World Series.

Speaker 11 The uh, the home run that they showed, obviously, because it also came off Garrett Cole back in the wild card game, was in 2015, and uh, it was in Pittsburgh, right?

Speaker 11 Because I love watching that home run because the sky is just pitch black, and you just see this pure white ball just like going off into the dark.

Speaker 5 It looks like he hit a comet, he made a comet happen with his back.

Speaker 9 And the story from that one, which I can neither confirm or deny, but I've heard from multiple sources, is that Kyle Schwarber, after hitting that home run,

Speaker 9 went in the tunnel of the Cubs dugout and just screamed at the the top of his lungs suck my fucking dick Pittsburgh because he was so jacked up so I mean he's just he's just a guy who like

Speaker 9 you know everyone should root for because he's just fun but that was that was a nice little like oh yeah it's uh it's nice that Schwarber and Rizzo are having big hits and uh yeah these guys should be on my team but what are you gonna do uh Hank do you think oh one last thing or one other thing Garrett Cole is a bum like you you get paid 300 million dollars you have to you have to make it out of of the third inning in that game you just have to you can't like there's no excuse like you are the ace you're the guy that was brought there for that reason the fact that you get chased is so so despicable and like yankee fans were talking all year about how garret cole's their guy it's that's brutal brutal brutal brutal to have happen turns out he misses the spider attack a little bit yeah yeah two innings is it's tough if if i was if i was managing that game i would leave him out for at least another couple innings just because listen, we're paying you this much money.

Speaker 11 You're going to get us out of this mess. This is not on me.

Speaker 9 Yeah, like, honestly, if he had pitched five and given up three earned runs, you could at least be like, well, he battled. He didn't even battle.
Like, you can't.

Speaker 9 You just can't excuse that. It's a fucking despicable Yankee fans should be sick to their stomach.

Speaker 9 Also, real Yankee fans shouldn't have even watched this game because the Yankees, that doesn't count as the playoffs and its World Series are bust, even though they haven't been to the World Series in like a decade.

Speaker 9 Billy.

Speaker 12 I was just pissed that he didn't get caught using Spider-Tech.

Speaker 11 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 12 Like if he was going to come out that bad, I wish he like was trying at least with Spider-Tack everywhere.

Speaker 9 He should have cheated. He should have cheated too.

Speaker 11 You have to start cheating

Speaker 11 at this point. At two innings in, you're going to get the hook.
You're making 300 million. You have to start cheating.
If I was the Red Sox, I would have fucked with him.

Speaker 11 I would have actually asked the umpire to go out there and search him for Spider-Tack and be like, we think he's actually even worse than he's playing right now.

Speaker 9 Yes, yes. Uh, Hank, anything else? How do you feel about the next round? Any parting shots?

Speaker 9 I mean, we're underdogs tonight. Love an underdog.
We're underdogs in the series. You know how I feel about underdogs.

Speaker 9 It's just also hilarious for Yankees fans that Stanton somehow, like against all odds, had two of the worst at-bats where he got hits.

Speaker 9 Like both of those at bats

Speaker 9 were, you know, all things considered in a vacuum, like great at-bats. And when you put it in context, like it was miserable.
Like all the Yankees fans got hyped up in the first inning for a single.

Speaker 9 And then

Speaker 9 all the momentum, like my, that was, that's the great thing about sports where it's like you, you felt the momentum completely shift when you hit it because you smoked the ball.

Speaker 9 You thought it was going to be a home run. Then it hit the top of the fence.
You're like, oh, thank God. And then somehow.
they threw him out all in the course of 20 seconds.

Speaker 9 And then the momentum's completely back on your side. And you're like, oh, we're going to win this game.

Speaker 9 It was absolutely the changing point because, again, like Evaldi was really, really good for the final.

Speaker 11 He was 71 pitches.

Speaker 9 That was crazy.

Speaker 9 That was like, there's that, it's one of those things where analytics and shit should get thrown out the window at some point in the playoffs, where it's like, if you have a pitcher who has 71 pitches in the sixth inning and he's pitching well, like just give him, give him, let him get one or two runs.

Speaker 9 Like, he let up one bomb to Rizzo, and like, the Aaron Judge was like a dribbler. Like, he beat out us.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Anything else from anyone? I will say, I think Stanton's on his way to pinstripe status.
I don't think he's he's there.

Speaker 9 I think he had a very good season. Shut up the haters.

Speaker 9 He was very good. I think it's him and Judge are staying.
Everyone else on the market. And Jake, you can't do it.
Offensively, offensively. Rizzo.
Rizzo. Rizzo.

Speaker 9 Rizzo has nothing to do with the Yankees.

Speaker 9 He was looking at the Red Sox bench like, oh.

Speaker 9 Rizzo is,

Speaker 9 he definitely has his pinstripes, so that will be sad, but he earned them through and through. He's the only guy on the Yankees that has heart and who cares.
So he should get his pinstripes.

Speaker 9 But yeah, I mean, it's going to be tough because you lose Brett Gardner, another pinstripe guy.

Speaker 9 Only one left from the last World Series. Not a lot of pinstripes left on the team.
It's going to be

Speaker 11 Jess Rizzo. Rizzo is the only true Yankee.

Speaker 9 No, Brett Gardner. Brett Gardner counts.
He does count because he won a World Series. So you have to give him pinstripes.
But yeah, it's Rizzo and Brett Gardner. The longest in the shortest Yankee.

Speaker 11 I'm taking away Jake's ability to give pinstripes out for saying that Stanton should get pinstripes.

Speaker 9 Oh, I didn't say anything that was on his left.

Speaker 11 He absolutely dogged it out of the batter's box on that first single.

Speaker 9 He stopped.

Speaker 11 He took a picture. He pulled out an easel.
He set up a frame and a chair, smoked a cigarette, and tried to do a charcoal etching of his home run as it was in midair.

Speaker 11 He actually, he had a worse call of his own home run than they did on the radio.

Speaker 9 I think there was like a helicopter or something flying above that like altered the trajectory of the ball or something because you go and skip Bayless, Mason crossbar on?

Speaker 9 Well, no, but just think about it. Like, not only did the TV broadcaster, the player, and the radio broadcaster all were so, so wrong.

Speaker 9 Like, I thought Sterling was on a delay or on a watching a monitor for the whole time until they're like, no, he was in the stadium. I, I mean, I thought it was a home run, too.

Speaker 9 I mean, it was absolutely smoked. So, yeah, it just died up there.

Speaker 9 You know what it looked like?

Speaker 9 It looked like when, not to just keep talking about wiffle ball, but it did look like when you squeeze the wiffle ball and pitch it, and it's like, you know, like when it's dented and it comes off the bat, and like you can hit it really hard and it won't go anywhere.

Speaker 9 That's kind of what it looked like.

Speaker 11 That home run was a Mandela effect that we all saw. We all saw a home run happen.
Everybody that was watching in real time, but then it just ended up being the worst single that I've ever seen.

Speaker 9 What did I do wrong? What did I do wrong? All right, let's kick it to ourselves back in studio.

Speaker 1 Okay, that was the AO Wildcard game.

Speaker 1 Now we're back to real time. Fun little time travel.
How you feeling, Hank? This is the best part. I feel great.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. Okay.

Speaker 7 That was just an awesome game.

Speaker 1 All right, let's talk some Monday night football and maybe some college football. So Chargers, Raiders, lightning delay, one of the weirdest lightning delays ever.

Speaker 1 We learned a lot about this new stadium and the fact that it's a canopy, which makes, that blows my mind.

Speaker 1 I don't really understand it, but it's an indoor, outdoor stadium that I'm sure is going to suck for the Super Bowl, right?

Speaker 5 I think it's not so much like a dome as it is a giant tent. Yes.
So it's got big walls, but then a huge gap. And then there's a space between that and the roof.

Speaker 5 So if lightning could come in at the top, it could hit fans. Yeah.
And then Steve Young said, but lightning doesn't travel sideways. I don't know.
We'll have to check Steve Young's meteorology degree.

Speaker 5 I'm not sure about that one. But it is progress for the Chargers to have fans that they have to worry about protecting.

Speaker 1 Right. That's a few of them.
It's growing pain.

Speaker 1 Mostly Raider fans. I also loved Booger in a very relatable moment.

Speaker 1 Like, there was, they announced that there was going to be a 25-minute delay, and he was like, and I think Susie Colbert Colbert was like, what is everyone doing in the locker room?

Speaker 1 He's like, they're probably stripping down, taking off all their tape, like getting into shorts. And Steve Young was like, in 25 minutes? And Booger's like, yep.
Yep. Like, I don't think so, Booger.

Speaker 1 But it was a great, like, I hate being in all this shit. Fat guy's got to

Speaker 1 like get into some comfortable gear real quick.

Speaker 5 He's like, Susie, I would take my clothes off. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I would probably start a movie.

Speaker 1 Just time management was very funny there. But the Chargers are very good.
We saw the makings of September Raiders that we all fall for starting to rear their ugly head.

Speaker 1 Now they play the Bears next week, so I'm sure they'll be fine there.

Speaker 1 But it was definitely one of those games where it's like the Chargers are for real, for real, and the Raiders, just like we always thought, are probably going to end up find a way to finish like 8-9 or 9-8 and have everyone be like, remember when they were 3-0 and that was awesome.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the only thing the Raiders have going for them besides having like one of the best hitting safeties in the NFL with Hunter Renfro is they have a play that they run like three times a game where it's just Henry Ruggs that gets behind the defense and you're like, oh shit, I forgot that Henry Ruggs existed.

Speaker 5 And then he just shows up five yards past the second.

Speaker 1 It's becoming, he doesn't have, they don't use him in the short passing game like Tyreek Hill, but it's similar in the fact that like, you're right, like there will be moments in the game where it's like, wait, Henry Ruggs just running faster than everyone down the field.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I would just run that field

Speaker 5 every time. Yes.
If he's faster than everybody around him. But, yeah, the story was the Chargers are awesome.
The Chargers are really good. I think that they are the best team in the AFC right now.

Speaker 5 I think they're the most complete team.

Speaker 1 Shot across the Bills.

Speaker 5 Well, okay, the winner of the Chiefs Bills game is going to be tied with the Chargers for number one in the AFC right now. But I think they're the most complete team.
The defense is awesome.

Speaker 5 Defensive line is really good. The offensive line sucked last year, and they fixed that.
Their new tackle, Rashawn Slater. Yep, from Northwestern.
He hasn't allowed a sack since October 2018.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's very, very good. But then he has to go up against Miles Garrett this week.
So that could all change very, very quickly.

Speaker 5 But yeah, the Chargers are, I think they're for real, for real. And I'd also like to acknowledge the Chargers' theme song as being one that we don't talk about enough on the show.

Speaker 5 It is legitimately a great song. Yes.
The San Diego Super Chargers. Yes.
Funk. It sounds like it's Casey and the Sunshine Band.
Really good stuff. Yes.

Speaker 1 yes so there we go acknowledged yes credit credit to that song two thumbs up acknowledged um all right let's talk some college football maybe a little bit uh

Speaker 1 so we usually talk college football on wednesdays because we have so much to talk about on sunday uh this past weekend was essentially oh yeah georgia and alabama are way better than everyone else lane kiffin with the popcorn comment i love lane kiffin we've had him on the show we want him on the show again but you can't say bring your popcorn and then just get the shit kicked out of you.

Speaker 5 So, right after he said that, he realized that he fucked up and he walked over to his offensive corner and said, Hey, I kind of fucked up and said, Get your popcorn.

Speaker 5 So, I don't know what the game plan is, but if you could score maybe twice as many points as you were planning on, that'd be great for me.

Speaker 1 Also, a tip: if you're gonna say, like, get your popcorn or some kind of saying, make sure that there's not an emoji that people can tweet about it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Because then everyone just tweets popcorns, and then it becomes a big thing.

Speaker 1 But, yeah, that and Georgia, Georgia's first team defense not allowing a touchdown this year and we're in you know week six is pretty fucking crazy. That was a like an all-out ass kicking.

Speaker 1 And I don't even think Arkansas is like it wasn't even Arkansas, oh my god, they're bad. It was just Georgia's defense is that good and they deserve that much credit.

Speaker 1 And I, yeah, I mean, it's, it's wild to see, like, after, especially after the last few years, where it became offense's king, to have almost a throwback with Georgia just being like, we're going to kick the shit out of everyone with our defense.

Speaker 5 I would love to see what would happen in a matchup right now of Georgia's defense against Alabama's offense.

Speaker 5 Because if the last five years have taught us anything, it would still probably be like 30 to nothing Alabama.

Speaker 1 But their defense is that

Speaker 5 their defense is that good where I want to see the matchup.

Speaker 5 We spent a little bit too much time, I think, talking about Sam Pittman taking his shirt off, and not enough time talking about what Sam Pittman should be wearing on his head because he's dealing with some significant scalp burn.

Speaker 5 Yes. He's not a visor guy.
He's not a hat guy.

Speaker 1 He's a leather-skinned guy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So this is kind of what I like about Sam Pittman, though, because I think a lot of coaches, right when they get that first big-time head coaching gig, they're like, okay, what kind of headwear guy am I going to be?

Speaker 5 And they figure it out because you have to stick with that for the rest of your career. Sam Pittman didn't even consider putting on a hat.
Correct.

Speaker 5 We need to get him just like a fitted hat, something that covers the scalp up because

Speaker 5 that thing was getting pretty toasty. Yes.

Speaker 1 All right. Other things.
Notre Dame is out. I expected them to be out.
They're good team, but they're not going to be in the conversation.

Speaker 1 So that Cincinnati has their biggest win in the history of the program, goes to South Bend, kind of dominates them.

Speaker 1 And now they are between.

Speaker 1 You know what's so funny? We talk about Cincinnati, and we obviously have the bet with Kirk Herbstreet.

Speaker 1 No one brings up the fact that BYU could very well be in the conversation as well because they play more Power Five teams the rest of their schedule. Not great Power Five teams.

Speaker 1 I think they have like Virginia, Oregon State, and USC. But BYU

Speaker 1 was really good last year, is really good this year, is undefeated, has beaten Arizona State, has beaten Utah, who turns out to be a disappointment.

Speaker 1 But BYU could end up having a better resume than Cincinnati at the end of the year.

Speaker 1 I guess Cincinnati will get the boost because they're already higher, but it does feel like this is finally the year now that Oregon has lost, now that Ohio State lost.

Speaker 1 I actually think Texas can beat Oklahoma on Saturday. Clemson has two losses.
Everything is setting up to have Cincinnati or BYU crash the party and lose by 100 to Alabama.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so Cincinnati got to play Notre Dame, which is probably ⁇ that's why most people are talking about him.

Speaker 5 Like BYU, the other guys that you mentioned, none of those are going to have the juice of a win over Notre Dame on the road.

Speaker 1 And there is a clear bias when it comes to late-night West Coast games. Like BYU beat Arizona State at midnight.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 There's a difference between that and Cincinnati going to South Bend in the middle of the day and everyone watching it.

Speaker 5 Also, that's one of the key ways that you can tell that the season's turning between fall and wintertime when BYU fans are pissed off that their team is not ranked in the top four.

Speaker 5 So that tradition is definitely going to continue this week.

Speaker 1 I think Cincinnati is a better team than BYU. I'm just saying that it's funny that all the talk is about Cincinnati and BYU at the end of the season could potentially have just as good of a resume.

Speaker 1 So I'm looking at it right now. They have to go to at Baylor, which is going to be a tough game.
They still play Washington State, who's not very good. They play Virginia and USC.

Speaker 1 So including Boise State next week, they have four more games against Power Five teams.

Speaker 5 I'm trying to figure out what Cincinnati's toughest test is going to be.

Speaker 1 They've got SMU too. SMU is very good.
No,

Speaker 1 SMU is good.

Speaker 5 And then at East Carolina to close out the season?

Speaker 1 No, it's SMU. SMU is a good team.
Yeah. SMU is kind of on the up and up.
So SMU will be their toughest

Speaker 5 test. But it's,

Speaker 1 I don't know, it's awesome for college football that someone might crash the party and we might have to take Kirk Herb Street out. Although, I'm going to remind Kirk Herbstreet, the bet is very clear.

Speaker 1 It's over a one-loss.

Speaker 2 Would you guys still take your side of the bet? Yes.

Speaker 1 Today's death. Yes.
Because I think if they still,

Speaker 1 if the playoffs started tomorrow, maybe not tomorrow, but let's just play out the rest of the year. Let's just say, hypothetically, Oregon and Ohio State don't lose again.

Speaker 1 Or even, yeah, say Oregon and Ohio State don't lose again and Oklahoma loses once. It's going to be Georgia, Alabama, and one of those three.

Speaker 1 I still think a one-loss, power five team will get in over Cincinnati just because that's what they did.

Speaker 3 Clemson being out is huge.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. Clemson being out, that's a big thing.

Speaker 5 But you're basically asking the people that come up with a playoff standings, like, would you like this giant suitcase filled with cash or would you not like it filled with cash?

Speaker 5 And they're like, well, yeah, we'll take the money, obviously.

Speaker 1 And I think Notre Dame is probably out because, I mean, I think they'll probably lose again, but they also don't have

Speaker 1 a schedule, enough data points is what they call it, to probably climb back.

Speaker 5 Not if they start Drew Pine.

Speaker 1 And it also comes down to

Speaker 1 the conference championship game. Like, Ohio State will play a conference championship game, which will jump Notre Dame at the end of the year.
Same with Oklahoma, same with Oregon.

Speaker 1 Like, that's how you jump at the end of the year.

Speaker 5 I've got a fun fact in the SEC. I did not realize this until Saturday.
So, Tennessee obviously just dogwalked Missouri. Correct.
They almost, I think they scored 62 points.

Speaker 5 They had a touchdown taken away at the end, would have been 69 points. Just like an offensive explosion nobody saw coming from Tennessee.
Do you know who Missouri's defensive coordinator is?

Speaker 5 Is it Bob Diacchio? Nope. Nope.
It's Steve Wilkes.

Speaker 5 Steve Wilkes, former Arizona Cardinals head coach, went from being an up-and-coming head coach in the NFL to being the coordinator for Missouri, giving up 62 points to Tennessee in like two years.

Speaker 5 That's a pretty bad downturn for Steve Wilkes.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 He was the one in Arizona that got fired after one year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I don't think he was ever up and coming.

Speaker 5 Well, when he was hired, after

Speaker 1 he was hired. On the day he was hired.

Speaker 5 From the day he was was hired. He never was until today.

Speaker 1 It's like he was up, never coming.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he was up. He was soaking.
He was like urban. He was up and soaking.

Speaker 1 He was up, not coming. Yep.

Speaker 5 But yeah, that's a tough, tough place for old Stevie Wilkos.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. What are you going to say, Billy?

Speaker 8 What about Iowa or Penn State?

Speaker 1 So Iowa and Penn State. Yeah, no, Iowa and Penn State absolutely can get there.

Speaker 1 The game this weekend, like Iowa City is basically going to be the capital of college football this weekend.

Speaker 1 The Iowa or Penn State, I just assume when I say Ohio State, it's actually just Ohio State slash whoever wins the Big Ten. Like, that's going to be Iowa, Penn State,

Speaker 1 or Ohio State, one of those three teams. You could even throw in Michigan because fun fact, the only three teams that have not taken a snap while trailing have been Michigan, Georgia, and Alabama.

Speaker 1 Actually, I think BYU might be four. So it's four teams.
But yes, you're right. The winner of Iowa, Penn State, especially if it's Iowa, because their schedule in the West is very, very easy.

Speaker 1 So if Iowa wins on Saturday, they are now in the driver's seat to get to the Big Ten Championship game. And then if they win the Big Ten Championship game, they're obviously in.

Speaker 5 I'm going to just throw this one out here with reckless abandon. You ready for this one? Yep.
If Texas doesn't lose again for the rest of the year, Texas would be in that conversation.

Speaker 1 Texas is definitely, in my estimation, I think they're going to be the best team in the Big 12. I think they're going to beat Oklahoma on Saturday.
I think they are too.

Speaker 5 And then they have Oklahoma State at home. But they'll lose the game.

Speaker 5 Their toughest game after that is going to Baylor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, they'll lose a game for no reason that's very stupid. Oklahoma stayed at home, too.
Yeah, they'll,

Speaker 1 I would trust Texas, but they'll, in classic Texas fashion, they will beat Oklahoma. They will officially be back, and then they will find a way to lose.

Speaker 1 The only problem with the Texas argument will be at the end of the year, if you're trying to say Texas is in,

Speaker 1 their one lot, like let's say they have one loss, their one loss would be to like the fourth or fifth team in the SEC West. So people would make that argument.

Speaker 1 So that's where Georgia and Alabama get in before Texas.

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, Arkansas would probably have to lose another few games in order for that to happen, right?

Speaker 1 No, the SEC West is incredible.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 obviously Alabama is going to be ahead of them in the Alabama, Auburn, LSU. I mean, they beat Texas AM, but then...

Speaker 5 I think Arkansas is going to end the year with a better record than LSU.

Speaker 1 Yeah, probably.

Speaker 1 Our guy might be in the hot seat.

Speaker 5 I don't want it to happen, but that loses the same thing.

Speaker 5 Saw the ruin in Faithfill might be pretty good.

Speaker 5 They're going to be the third best. Here's what's going to happen.
Texas, if they win this weekend, they're going to win against Oklahoma State at home. They're going to beat Baylor on the road.

Speaker 5 Then they're going to go to Iowa State and lose.

Speaker 1 Wade State again. Oh, yeah, Iowa State and the West.

Speaker 5 Iowa State, that's the one, November 6th.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, right now, Arkansas is the fourth best.

Speaker 1 They're very good, but Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, and then Arkansas.

Speaker 1 So, like, if you, I don't know, that's going to be the argument against them, which is not fair, but it's just how they're going to argue it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you could do that argument, but then you could could also say Arkansas is also number 13 in the country.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is obviously assuming they're going to lose to Alabama. Right.
They might, like, let's say they split Auburn and Ole Miss. They're not going to be as highly ranked.

Speaker 1 This might be the highest they're ranked. And I love Arkansas.
I bet on them every single week. Last week didn't go so well.
Mississippi State's even good.

Speaker 5 SC West is insane. It would actually be perfect.

Speaker 5 This would be a perfect year for Texas to kind of get back in the conversation after the entire year has been written off as far as them and their ability to be back after after that loss at Arkansas, them like sneaking their way into the back conversation.

Speaker 1 You're just a blue blood guy. I am.

Speaker 1 You had Notre Dame being in the conversation.

Speaker 5 I like tradition, big cat.

Speaker 1 And now it's Texas. I like it.
Just hop, you know, maybe we'll get USC back in the conversation. You lost twice.
We're going to say, Billy.

Speaker 8 I really hope Coastal Carolina got some better games.

Speaker 1 They're a wagon. Yeah, they are a wagon.
I don't think they have some better games. I don't.

Speaker 1 That game last year was so awesome when they scheduled BYU on that short notice. That might have been the highlight of the entire season.

Speaker 5 Anytime, anywhere. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they just fucking punked Zach Wilson.

Speaker 5 That should be Coastal Carolina's thing, where they do one game like that every single year.

Speaker 5 Should they just call it the Anytime, Anywhere Bowl?

Speaker 1 I don't know why

Speaker 1 Cincinnati

Speaker 1 and these group of five teams, they should essentially leave, like all the group of five conferences should leave a date open at the end of the year to be like, we can schedule the best other group of five.

Speaker 1 Because think about it. If Cincinnati and BYU played, they both were undefeated and they played in the last week of November, the winner would have an incredible resume to get in.

Speaker 1 Like it would basically be an elimination game. So yeah, you're setting yourself up.
You might get eliminated, but you also would be able to leapfrog everyone.

Speaker 5 That would really force the hands of the football, the playoff committee, where they'd look at that game. They'd probably still be like, no, you're not getting in.

Speaker 5 And then Cincinnati would be like, well, there's actually nothing else that we can do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's we've done everything. Yeah, uh, Coastal Carolina does not have any uh significant games left.
I mean, they played all their conference games.

Speaker 1 Um, all right, let's get to Hot Seat Cool Throne. Then we have Charles Oakley in person, Pete Prisco, and then we have Jersey Jerry to wrap up the sh man.

Speaker 5 I'll tell you what: when you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts.

Speaker 5 That's where Snickers comes in, man. That thing is packed: roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk, chocolate.
It's like the MVP of candy bars.

Speaker 5 And when you bite into it, boom, it sorts you out, gets your head back in the game of life, satisfying your hunger. Remember this: Snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else.

Speaker 5 Snickers satisfies, man. That's a winning play.

Speaker 1 Hank, hot seat cool torn.

Speaker 7 My hot seat is friend of the program, recurring guest, hero of mine, Julian Edelman.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Did you see this? No.
Oh, the TV. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, no, I just want to say, Julian Edelman, we, like, Instagram going down was tough for a lot of us, but no one more than you because you couldn't take your shirt off. What happened?

Speaker 7 So he was posting stories watching the game on Sunday night, and his TV was just on his floor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I think.

Speaker 7 He must not have been at his house.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I think he moved to New York because he does the inside the NFL. So he just moved to New York

Speaker 1 and he hasn't mounted his TV yet.

Speaker 1 And it's like, dude, what are you doing it's just on the ground it's on like is it leaning against the wall or is it on a stand because that's a big deal no it's on the no

Speaker 1 it's got the legs no no it's worse than not it's not on a stand it's not leaning against the wall it's on like the cheap little like prongs that you can put on it yeah that's what i'm saying the tiny little legs yeah not good low pad level on the tv not good uh yeah that's a tough look that's bachelor life though

Speaker 5 sky stuff julian i'll come over and mount your tv if you need to no julian do not accept that billy will be i could actually i could see Julian being like a good roommate for Billy.

Speaker 5 I think you guys might get along.

Speaker 7 I have a spot.

Speaker 1 His abs are way better than yours, though.

Speaker 1 Not an abs guy. Yeah, I know, but.
He's a mass guy. Yeah, but his whole thing is like you're going up against Mincy right now.
That's a step up. I'm just saying.
I know. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I think it's just an example, too, of like, you know, player life. Now he's kind of in the media world and he doesn't realize that.
You're not just posting a video of the clip of the play.

Speaker 7 Every single piece of the content that he posts is going to get dissected and roasted. Yes.
And unfortunately, he's learning the hard way.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 My cool throne, I have a couple. My first one is Megan Trainer's Toilet.

Speaker 1 Okay. It's literally a cool throne.

Speaker 7 It's a cool throne. No, an article came out about vegan.

Speaker 7 Her and her husband, who apparently is the kid from Spy Kids, Juni from Spy Kids,

Speaker 7 they share side-by-side toilets.

Speaker 5 So they don't have to share. Oh, they call those like Hollywood Bath, I think.
I think that's the name of the style of toilet.

Speaker 1 Wait, are they in the same room?

Speaker 7 Yeah, just that they have a big-ass bathroom.

Speaker 1 Okay, I don't, that, that's, like, why wouldn't you just do his and hers?

Speaker 7 His and hers bathrooms?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, if you go, if you've ever seen, like, someone who's like super, super rich, you go into their bathroom, and it's, it's basically, and it's the size of a New York apartment where, like, the shower and the sink and everything will be in the middle, and then off to each side will be toilets, his and her baths.

Speaker 1 That happens for the super rich.

Speaker 5 What about this? What if it's not meant for both of them to be using at the same time? What if one is just for shitting and the other toilets for pissing?

Speaker 5 It might be and they're just connected to each other.

Speaker 1 It might be a bidet, too.

Speaker 7 No, they said they like constructed it this way.

Speaker 1 Do you think they sit at the same time?

Speaker 7 Nobody knows this, but in our bathroom, there was one toilet, and a lot of time in the middle of the middle of the night where we're with the baby, we've got to pee at the same time.

Speaker 7 So I was like, can we please have two toilets next to each other?

Speaker 1 I mean, that is so simple. Dude, be a man.
That's what the sink is for.

Speaker 5 Or piss in the sink. Or just the bathtub.
yeah it's right there the shower right there

Speaker 5 like but the sink is that's what the sink is made for if you've got great aim just go between the legs jesus that's a weird thing that's something i would have kept to myself if i were them hank is that is this one of your eat the rich moments got to the m's gotta guillotine their ass guillotine them if you get if you can afford two toilets that are connected to each other you think they had to custom design it like weld the toilets together themselves i think some plumber was like no i'm not doing this this is this is beyond.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I have standards. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm not letting you shit next to your husband.

Speaker 5 This goes beyond my ethical code. Yes.

Speaker 1 That's it, actually. I'll say another one.
Whoa. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 You sure? Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 5 We'll use yours at the end, then.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 My hot seat is Mike Greenberg haters. They're furious.
They're furious this morning because Mike Greenberg

Speaker 5 finally is going to be on television. Are there

Speaker 1 Greenberg haters?

Speaker 5 So many.

Speaker 1 So many. I think the majority of people are just like, whatever.

Speaker 5 They're gaga for greeny.

Speaker 1 No, they're completely apathetic. No, but Mike Greenberg.

Speaker 5 He's got some haters.

Speaker 7 It's happening.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh. 12 holes.
Oh.

Speaker 1 But it is happening.

Speaker 7 The match versus Bryson Friday, November 26th.

Speaker 5 So that's the day after Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 I don't know how I feel about this.

Speaker 1 I think it's over.

Speaker 5 I'm okay with it. That's good because...

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's over.

Speaker 5 That's the exact right amount of holes that Brooks can pay attention to, right?

Speaker 1 Yep, but that's over. It's over.
Like, the rivalry is over.

Speaker 1 You guys realize that, right?

Speaker 5 Unless there are some stakes that are tied to it that we don't know about.

Speaker 1 The rivalry is over, which is fine. It's good for them to move on, but the rivalry is officially over.

Speaker 1 Also, shout out to our boy Brooks for getting paid for this. I hope he's getting paid a big, big amount of money, and I hope he remembers who helped start this feud and then

Speaker 1 tips them.

Speaker 5 Thankfully. Very well.
Yes, tips them very well.

Speaker 1 Do you guys agree, right? Like that's, I mean, who created this? We did. So

Speaker 1 it would be nice.

Speaker 5 At the very least, 10%.

Speaker 1 I would say at the very least

Speaker 1 25%.

Speaker 5 Or a $50,000 shopping spree.

Speaker 1 Or a shopping spree.

Speaker 5 Yeah, your choice. But I'd rather just 25%.
Falls in your cup.

Speaker 5 So Mike Greenberg.

Speaker 1 Yes. Mike Greenberg.
Mike Greenberg. No one feels for Mike Greenberg.

Speaker 5 No one feels for Mike Greenberg. No, he's got haters.
People are like, he was trending online today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because he got announced.

Speaker 5 Greeny stirs the pot.

Speaker 1 Because everyone was like,

Speaker 1 I can't believe they're going to have Mike Greenberg be Rob Deerdeck of ESPN. Right, exactly.

Speaker 5 Ridiculousness.

Speaker 5 Mike Greenberg is like the face of ESPN's diversity hiring now because they got rid of Rachel Nichols and Maria Taylor.

Speaker 5 And did you know that there are almost 50% of the shows that are on ESPN right now do not feature Mike Greenberg? Wow. He can always be doing more work.
So Greene doesn't stop working.

Speaker 5 He just shows up at like 6 o'clock and there's a camera pointed on him until like 11 p.m. Yes.
And then America is clamoring for more Mike Greenberg. So he goes and he does it again the next day.

Speaker 1 I think he is. The reason why he keeps getting his job is because, just like I said, no one really has a strong opinion about Mike Greenberg.
He is the and I don't even mean that as a mean thing.

Speaker 1 He is the perfect host in that respect. Like, he doesn't, if you're watching a show, you're never watching it for Mike Greenberg, but he makes the show work.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's a good traffic cop.

Speaker 1 So it doesn't, like, he just, he's there.

Speaker 1 It would suck if he wasn't there because you'd want a host that can move things along, but that's why he, that's why, like, even though he's on every show, it won't even matter because he's just Mike Greenberg.

Speaker 5 We're one step away from ESPN Greenie becoming a thing as like an over-the-top thing for ESPN to charge you $4.99 a month for. There are people who will purchase confirmed.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Other Big J's.
Yeah. We want Big J's.
That's jealous. That's jealous.

Speaker 2 We want Mike Greenberg has never been said by anyone.

Speaker 1 See, but again, I don't understand that logic.

Speaker 1 Mike Greenberg doesn't have any type of personality or opinions that are grading. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 He loves his wife. He does.

Speaker 1 He loves his wife.

Speaker 1 He's just there. LeBron sucks.
Right, he's there.

Speaker 5 He eats grapes with a knife.

Speaker 1 Yes, he does. But I'm just, you know what I mean? Like, he doesn't.
If you're mad about Mike Greenberg, that means you're just mad about, like, nothing.

Speaker 1 It's nothing. He's just there to move the show along.

Speaker 5 If you hate Mike Greenberg, then you must hate watching television.

Speaker 1 It's just.

Speaker 5 Because there are 72 Mike Greenbergs that appear on your TV every single day across every channel.

Speaker 1 He's just the best one at it. He's very good at being a professional host and a professional TV man.
And there's no, I've never had a feeling about Mike Greenberg, like a visceral feeling.

Speaker 1 God damn it, I hate that guy.

Speaker 5 So we agree that there are Mike Greenberg haters, but there shouldn't be Mike Greenberg haters.

Speaker 1 They're misguided. Just like anyone who's a Mike Greenberg stand is misguided.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 1 It should just be Mike Greenberg's there.

Speaker 5 Mike Greenberg follows me on Twitter, by the way.

Speaker 7 He exists.

Speaker 5 That was quite a moment before.

Speaker 2 You're the dean of his school after all.

Speaker 1 That's right. Medille.
That's true.

Speaker 5 Well, is it even still a school because we lost our accreditation

Speaker 5 at Medill? I don't know.

Speaker 5 And then my cool throne is Game of Throne fans.

Speaker 5 Because...

Speaker 5 Shout out to me. Shout out to Hank.

Speaker 5 There's a prequel coming.

Speaker 1 Nice. Our entire series.

Speaker 5 That's a prequel. That was yours?

Speaker 7 That was the one I said.

Speaker 1 Take it away, Hank.

Speaker 7 Oh, so there's a prequel series about the Targaryen dynasty 300 years before the original series.

Speaker 7 I actually read the book. It's a good book, but it's just a little bit depressing.
It just makes me. You read the book?

Speaker 1 Yeah, when I you guys remember, I was like fully

Speaker 1 fully addicted to Game of Thrones.

Speaker 7 I read the entire book. How many pages?

Speaker 1 It's pretty fucking big. Probably like 200.
It's like a

Speaker 1 big book. Are you full

Speaker 1 compared to the fact that I haven't read a book yet?

Speaker 1 You're going to say 800.

Speaker 1 I'm going to look it up. I'm going to look it up.
200 is like the, it's actually the bare minimum of a book. No, but it's like anything.

Speaker 1 No, that might might be wrong. I might be wrong.

Speaker 1 Big average.

Speaker 7 It's literally like a, not only is it a big book, like physically

Speaker 7 table size.

Speaker 5 That's what he meant by a big book, but like size-wise.

Speaker 1 200 pages is not a big book. Are there drawings?

Speaker 7 There were drawings.

Speaker 1 Not a lot.

Speaker 1 Can you fill out your own drawings? Help me out, Jake.

Speaker 7 Please. Is there a word?

Speaker 1 The average manuscript for a novel comes anywhere between 200 pages. How long is the actual book? 200 pages.
Yeah, so that's average. So 200 is a short below average.

Speaker 8 Aragon was 758.

Speaker 7 Can we get some numbers on how big this book is?

Speaker 1 A Game of Thrones book?

Speaker 5 Are you rooting for this to be good or for it to be bad, Hank?

Speaker 7 I don't know because

Speaker 1 I'm not going to root for it to be bad. 694.
Oh, yeah. Fuck it.
Oh, so there you go.

Speaker 1 So, but you only read 200? No, I read the whole thing. Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 I just read so fast. I'm such a good reader that it felt like 200.

Speaker 1 He definitely only read half. No, I read the whole thing.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 7 I was fighting with people online. It's one of those things where it's just like, the end of Game of Thrones sucks.
Okay. And they're never making more Game of Thrones ever again.

Speaker 7 So even though if this is good,

Speaker 7 it's still one of those things where if you watch it, you're like, this is the best series ever. Can't wait to see what happens.
Like, that person's going to be disappointed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's going to bring back feelings of just like sadness.

Speaker 7 I've thought over quarantine many times. I was very obsessed with Game of Thrones.
I've been like, maybe I'll start re-watching Game of Thrones again.

Speaker 7 And I just can't bring myself to do it because I know the ending is so bad. I'm just going to get mad.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 why wouldn't you want it to be good?

Speaker 7 Like, if it's good it's good and that's fun yeah no you're not rooting for it to be bad I never said that but it's all I know what you're saying that in a way it's almost worse the better the prequel is because it reminds you of how bad it was at the end like and then if the Patriots had gone undefeated in the preseason the year that they lost to the Giants at the Super Bowl too yes and people keep saying well better call saw is really good the end of breaking bad was really good like people that liked breaking bad didn't leave that show with a bad taste in their mouth so when this prequels came out they're like oh yeah I love breaking bad can't wait to watch the prequels.

Speaker 7 I personally, and I know a lot of people feel the same way, like, hated and were disgusted with the way Game of Thrones ended. So, it's like, I don't know, it'd be like

Speaker 1 if people really hated the way Sopranos ended, and then when Many Saints in New York came out, but like, really, like they did in the moment, they did, they weren't happy about it.

Speaker 1 People, yeah, people would have to be able to do it.

Speaker 5 But I think when Silvio got run over and shot, and his hair was not.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to do any, I'm not going to do any. You just did a Many Saints in New York, huh?

Speaker 5 Did you just do no? I haven't seen it yet. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to do any spoilers. People definitely hated The End of Sopranos.
Big time. People thought their TVs broke.

Speaker 5 The whole country thought their TVs broke.

Speaker 1 I'm different too, Hank, because I admittedly, I binge-watched Game of Thrones.

Speaker 1 I think if you watched the whole thing, like throughout six, seven, eight years, whatever it was, and you were invested for a long period of time, you get a little bit more upset with how it ended.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like, if we, as binge watchers, we invested, what, a maximum of two or three months into this show?

Speaker 5 But yeah, if you do it over years, and then you're, the worst part is you had to wait for the worst season to come back,

Speaker 5 like two years for that to happen. So, um, I mean, I think it's going to be a good show because you're basing it off the stuff that's already been written.
They don't have to do it themselves.

Speaker 7 I think it will be good, too. The only thing I'm worried about, and I know this was a huge problem with the show in general, was like the dragon budget.
Like, the contents, I'm not joking.

Speaker 1 This is the

Speaker 7 story is all like dragon-based. There's like

Speaker 1 27 dragons.

Speaker 7 There's a shitload of dragons. So it's like if they were having problems,

Speaker 1 all the dragons.

Speaker 7 Like having two dragons in an episode was like a big issue, and they had to budget for it, and it was all this money and shit. How are they logistically going to get fucking 40 in there?

Speaker 1 I'm out because the fact that there's 27 dragons or whatever, it's going to be.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're going to fight each other and they all have to die because we have to get to a point where there are no dragons. Yeah.
So that sucks. I don't want to see dragons die.
That fucking sucks.

Speaker 1 But it's over a 300-year period.

Speaker 7 I don't know. I don't know how

Speaker 1 to

Speaker 7 pick stories and shit. Like the book that I read, no big deal.

Speaker 1 200 pages.

Speaker 7 It's felt like 200 pages.

Speaker 1 I'm such a good reader.

Speaker 7 It's 300 years, so there's a lot of stories in between. So I think they're going to pick one or two.

Speaker 5 I bet you some of the dragons start to band together and then they fight against the people.

Speaker 7 No, the dragons definitely fight each other. That's a thing.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's a war

Speaker 1 in the skies.

Speaker 8 Quick question, Hank. What if the prequel answers a lot of the questions that never got answered in the regular series? So like, what the fuck the White Walkers were actually doing and all that shit.

Speaker 7 Because it still is just, it's one of those things they can't, they can't post mostly fix the regular show.

Speaker 5 They're doing an Urban Meyer apology if they try to do it this way.

Speaker 5 That would actually be one of the most genius things ever if they called it a prequel, but the entire prequel was just like flash forward scenes from the distant future that would act like another season of Game of Thrones that actually wrapped up all the questions.

Speaker 8 What if you found out what that

Speaker 8 spiral sign was in the first season?

Speaker 5 And all that shit.

Speaker 1 Like, what if they answered questions?

Speaker 7 I guess, but then it's like then they're making a show just to appease. Like, they should just make it an independent show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they should make it a good show on its own, and I'll like it. Yeah.
All right. My hot seat is Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 1 We're going to get to this with Pete Prisco, but poor Trevor Lawrence gets invoked in Urban Meyer's apology. That was,

Speaker 1 that was so fucking funny. The fact that Urban Meyer apologized for being horny and was like, you know, Trevor Lawrence was at a bachelor party.
Urban Meyer is the worst wingman ever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He is, he is like, he basically comes back from a bachelor party and is like, well, yeah, we went to a strip club, but Trevor got his dick sucked.

Speaker 1 Like, why did he bring up Trevor Lawrence's strip club there or a bachelor party?

Speaker 5 He's an idiot. Urban Meyer,

Speaker 5 he is so bad at being in trouble. He's like a kid.

Speaker 5 If you watch him whenever he gives a press conference, he's either, one, openly hostile towards the people that are asking him questions, or two, just like looking down at his own feet. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And so I don't think his team trusts him. I don't think his front office trusts him.
In fact, they said he has to work to regain our trust. He has to work to regain our respect.

Speaker 5 So they don't respect him in Jacksonville.

Speaker 5 Urban Meyer, he is not long for this league.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no. We're going to get to it, Pete Prisco.
It reminded me of, I went and looked up because it really is still stunning. And we like him, so we're not going to make fun of him.

Speaker 1 But Rick Petino's apology when he invoked 9-11, which I have a quote. I would like to read it to you guys.
But again, not making fun.

Speaker 1 This is a real quote. Rick Petino talking about his

Speaker 1 relationship with the woman who then got an abortion.

Speaker 1 He said, when 9-11 hit, you needed a community to get over it. In New York City, it was easy because everybody knew the devastation of that and they got each other over it.

Speaker 1 In Louisville, the impact wasn't felt like New York City, but I needed this community to help me get over it.

Speaker 5 That's a fact.

Speaker 5 Listen,

Speaker 5 it takes a village to get over tragedies sometimes. Yeah.
And Rick Petino, like it or not,

Speaker 5 he needed some help. We all need a helping hand from time to time.

Speaker 5 And if Rick Petino was in the situation Urban Meyer is in, it wouldn't even be a big deal because there wouldn't have been enough time to get the second video out there. Yes, right.

Speaker 1 So he also said, times aren't easy. Rick Petino said, times aren't easy, but if I can get through 9-11, I can get through anything in my life.

Speaker 1 And I got through 9-11, and there's nothing ever going to come close to that. We'll get through this in a positive way and move on.
There you go.

Speaker 1 He did lose his brother-in-law in 9-11, but still, that's a very bizarre thing to bring up when you're apologizing for an indiscretion.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, Urban could definitely pull the COVID card. He could.
He could be like, I think we all went a little stir crazy in the house, not being able to go out in public.

Speaker 5 So, you know, I got carried away. It was my first time being in a bar.
I was being, you know what? The problem was I was being too cautious. for my community for the last year and a half.

Speaker 5 Haven't been out in public to a bar since then. This is my first time out.
I didn't know how to say no to a woman.

Speaker 1 I forgot how to act in public. My cool throne is me because I'm sure you guys maybe didn't see, but I had the greatest cancellation of my life today.

Speaker 1 I got my root canal canceled and it was not my fault. It was the dentist's office who I have an unbelievable dentist, so I'm not saying anything bad about him because I actually do love him.

Speaker 1 But I went to the root canal, was sitting in the chair. There was something wrong with the nitrous and they had to cancel.
So I was literally, they put on the numbing stuff on my gums.

Speaker 1 They were about to put the needle, you know, in, turn on the nitrous, and they're like, hey, we can't get the nitrous on. We're going to have to do this next month.
The greatest feeling of all time.

Speaker 1 That's amazing.

Speaker 5 That's like if you're in the chair and the governor calls and it's like, hey, postpone the electrocution. It was.

Speaker 5 That's that is that gives me a great idea for a business, which is a dentist office that schedules the most painful surgeries, brings you in, and then tells you we have to postpone.

Speaker 5 And that's what you do. You never actually get around to doing the work.

Speaker 1 So I don't think it's exclusive to dentists because I have the idea that you should have, we should have just a cancellation business that's everything.

Speaker 1 So like any type of bad thing that you have to do, taxes, whatever, just make up fake appointments, have people believe it, and then cancel it right before. You can do everything.

Speaker 1 It doesn't, it's not, because like traveling, you cancel travel, cancel night out plans.

Speaker 1 But the feeling that I had this morning when it was the rush, because it wasn't even me canceling on them, because then you get the guilt. You're like, oh, is my tooth going to fall out?

Speaker 1 Dan Heron, whatever. No, it was they canceled on me, and I was there.
I was ready and ready to roll. They did say, like, do you want to do it without the nitrous? I was like, absolutely not.
No.

Speaker 1 And the tough guys on Twitter who were like, dude,

Speaker 1 you don't need nitrous for a root canal, fuck off.

Speaker 5 Good general rule, a thumb shout out, Paul Walker. If they offer you nitrous, use the nitrous.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly. Play a reverse firefest.
Yeah. Yeah, no, I was on cloud nine because you go in, it was going to be an hour and a half of just shit.
My mouth is going to hurt the rest of the day.

Speaker 1 Now I'm scheduled for November. November's never going to get here.

Speaker 1 I'm free and clear.

Speaker 5 Can you imagine if there was a doctor's office that scheduled you for blood work?

Speaker 5 You got to tell like your significant other or anybody that, like, hey, you know, I've got this, I've got a date set up that I'm going to go to the hospital. They're going to do blood work.

Speaker 5 They're going to give me a full physical. And you could say that with a straight face, and they'd send you a magnet.

Speaker 5 You could put it on your computer, be like, or on your refrigerator, be like, just a reminder, your appointment is next Thursday. And then you go, and then they tell you, yeah, appointment's canceled.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 1 People would pay money for that. Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 I was talking about it earlier today, but like there, it should be for everything, though.

Speaker 1 Like, you should have for travel, for going to a wedding like could you imagine a wedding that you don't want to go to they just create the whole wedding and then they're like our wedding gift to you is that we canceled it like that all just an entire business that just cancels plans you don't want to do for you and they they make the plans they're fake plans and they cancel it and we just do this whole charade and get that adrenaline it'd be great if you were a boss and then you invited everybody that worked for you to your wedding but it's not a real wedding but you told them listen i'm getting married in a year.

Speaker 5 And then a month after that, you'd be like, hey, guess what?

Speaker 1 No, not a month. I want it like two days before.

Speaker 5 Well, the problem with that is people will rearrange their schedules.

Speaker 1 And it actually matters. That's even better.

Speaker 5 Then they get a staycation.

Speaker 1 They stay home. I love it.
Oh, but yeah. When you get it canceled like two days before and you're like, oh, a free weekend that I just didn't know existed.

Speaker 5 If you're a boss, you don't need to worry about getting like a gift card for all your employees. You don't have to worry about getting 10% off Verizon phones or whatever that

Speaker 5 you do for their holiday gift. Just tell them that you're going to get married and they have to come, and then tell them they don't have to come.

Speaker 1 Cancel it.

Speaker 5 That's a perfect present. Cancel it.

Speaker 1 Jake, your hot seat, cool Toronto.

Speaker 2 You mentioned earlier for a second with my hot teeth, the internet with Instagram and Facebook.

Speaker 1 I was fine with that.

Speaker 1 I don't know what you guys think about it. Was Finsta down?

Speaker 2 I mean, Finsta is part of Insta now.

Speaker 5 Oh, is it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're sounding like that guy from Texas. Isn't Finsta a fake account for yourself?

Speaker 5 That's what the representative from Texas was like, can you shut down Finsta?

Speaker 1 Shut it down.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 yeah, it was fine. I mean, it was kind of crazy to be like, is this ever going to come back? That was cool.
Yeah, there was that one, like, the chaps, chaps, chaps got everyone.

Speaker 5 I was thinking, I was actually pretty happy when it happened. I was like, I hope it stays down forever.

Speaker 5 Except, I would like to get my pictures back from Facebook. Yeah, let's get in for five more minutes, download our pictures, get out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Instagram. Instagram was.
I actually like Instagram. There's no bad thing about Instagram.
Twitter, if they took down Twitter, I'd be fine with that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was looking at my Facebook memories, and like 11 years ago yesterday, it was me taking a picture of the TV because I was freaking out because my tweet was shown on ESPN.

Speaker 1 Whoa! Oh, wow! Hell yes! Love that channel!

Speaker 5 Wait, what tweet was it?

Speaker 2 Um, it was replying to Sports Nation saying, like, who's the something team?

Speaker 1 And I replied, the Oklahoma Sooners, and they showed me nice, that's freaking huge, yeah, that's fucking huge. Yeah, that was really cool.
All right,

Speaker 2 cool throne, like cool throne is extra innings. So, the man on second rule, done for good,

Speaker 1 which is great. I love that rule.
Fuck that. What?

Speaker 1 I liked it because of one, overs. Overs were always alive because if you got to extra innings, innings, you usually get like a couple runs.
And two, I don't know, I don't.

Speaker 1 Baseball games are long enough to begin with.

Speaker 5 It's great for a team that you're not rooting for. For a game you have no actual investment in

Speaker 5 besides the over. But it is weird that they announced it yesterday.

Speaker 5 You would think that a sport, a professional sport, would have made the announcement for how their postseason would be run earlier than a day before the postseason started.

Speaker 1 Correct. Billy, your hot sequel to run.

Speaker 8 My hot seat was also Facebook and Lane Kiffin, but a little addition to Lane Kiffin's story, the Alabama mascot at halftime came out with a popcorn suit on that they somehow fashioned between the time Lane Kiffin said that.

Speaker 1 Was it just popcorn that they got at the stands?

Speaker 8 It was just a giant popcorn suit. So you had a giant elephant in a giant popcorn suit.
Don't know how they did it. Pretty clever.
Hot seat Lane Kiffen, my cool throne.

Speaker 5 I bet elephants could eat more popcorn than any other animal. Just suck it up through that trunk.

Speaker 8 My cool throne is Jim Harbaugh with all this talk about urban mire in that story uh a jim harbaugh story came up about how he uh was interacting with uh female students at michigan and instead of dancing with them or doing any type of uh urban mire business he just started playing catch with them and was just beaming them with the football like taking three-step drops and launching 40 yard rockets at these women

Speaker 8 and hitting them in the head uh until they the women women were like, I don't want to play catch with this guy anymore. This is ridiculous.
Yeah, that's a great story.

Speaker 5 That's actually a date in Jim Harbaugh's mind. That counts as dates one, two, and three.

Speaker 5 If you go out in the back, that's date one, you throw it, you catch a football that's date two, and then he throws it so hard it goes between your hands, hits you in your head, and knocks you over.

Speaker 5 That's the third date for him.

Speaker 8 My other cool throne was the Kentucky quarterback Will Levis. He was on TikTok, putting mayonnaise in coffee.

Speaker 8 Everyone was like, if we lose to Florida, this is why, because our quarterback drinks mayonnaise with his coffee or coffee. Yeah, mayonnaise with his coffee.

Speaker 5 I love the way you say mayonnaise.

Speaker 8 Weirdest thing ever.

Speaker 8 Anyway, they won, and Will Levis went to TikTok to stunt on everybody.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's also just doing this shit to troll people.
Yeah, it's hilarious.

Speaker 5 If you see the TikTok, it cuts away. It's very clearly staged because he's trying to fuck with people.

Speaker 1 I love it. Yeah, it's great.
I love it. Look, Levis, come on the show.
I heard he's in AWL. Oh, sweet.
Shout out to him.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you, Billy.
Let's get to our interviews. We got Charles Oakley and Pete Prisco.

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Speaker 1 Now, Charles Oakley.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is the man, the myth, the legend, Charles Oakley.
He's got his new cooking show is out October 7th, chopping it up with Oakley

Speaker 1 on Fox Soul. Check it out.

Speaker 1 October 7th is the first one, 8 p.m. Eastern.
Oak is awesome in the kitchen. I've actually watched some of your videos of you cooking in the kitchen, so go check it out.

Speaker 1 We're very excited to have you on.

Speaker 1 Very excited to have you here. Yes.
I don't even know where you are an intimidating guy. I don't really know where to start.
I have met you before.

Speaker 1 I told you the story before that I thought you were going to smack my friend.

Speaker 1 But it is great to have you here.

Speaker 1 Let's start with the cooking show. Let's start with the cooking show.
Yeah, let's talk cooking show. Oh, man.
So the cooking thing

Speaker 1 has been something in my heart for years.

Speaker 1 You know, just making people happy.

Speaker 1 When you're cooking, you got to cook with some soul. You got to cook from the heart.

Speaker 1 And that's how I played on the court with, you know, with a lot of heart and trying to do the right thing for my teammates and people

Speaker 1 around me.

Speaker 1 And it just took off. I'm real picky, you know, with food and the places I go eat.
I send my stuff back about 80-90% of the time because they want to do it day way. They ask, can they take your order?

Speaker 1 But when you give them your order, they don't bring your order back correct. That's when I send it back.
But, no, I love cooking. I do a lot for the charity.
Skid Row.

Speaker 1 I did Nashville, Cleveland, all the different inner city stuff.

Speaker 1 Just, you know, a lot of private events for a lot of celebrities and

Speaker 1 my producing crew

Speaker 1 for us for a network. I've been knowing for a while and we just got together and said, we got to do this.

Speaker 5 So does anybody ever try to send send food back to you?

Speaker 1 Only one time I was doing a Cafe Oakley in the city about 12 years ago, and Jason Williams and myself were trying to produce a show.

Speaker 1 We had like Walter Barrett, John Stark, some kids, and John wanted to put some salt on something. I was like, John,

Speaker 1 you put some salt on there, I'm gonna put some salt on your head.

Speaker 1 That's the only time, but I'm pretty good in the kitchen. What do you like to make?

Speaker 1 I'm the chef, so I'm the best dish on the menu so i try to please you and um i get i do a lot of experiments like i just did one with victor green used to play with the jets yep he had a golf tournament yesterday so they auctioned me off uh oj anderson and uh you know cross used to play tight end for the giants so they auctioned me off and um

Speaker 1 We got three dinners for innocent, you know, like people, but they bought three different individual experiments.

Speaker 1 so basically it's all the money go to kids for college but anyway we sold three experiments yesterday for like 40 000.

Speaker 1 right so basically i lend my name to charities every year they auction me off for however much

Speaker 1 uh they raise it goes for a kid to get to college and all that but uh that's been real successful for the foundation because they can get 30 000 off oakley in one day and people highly expect this guy to cook and he can raise 30 000 for for um for a charity So I've been doing a lot of that.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 So we're taping this obviously in our studio. We love having in person interviews.
We're across the street from the Mecca, from Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 1 Where is that relationship ship at right now? Still across the street from one another. Okay.
All right. So it's good that we're on this side of the street.
Right. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We still across the street from one another. It's on them.
And then to man up and you know, as they say,

Speaker 1 I'm a leader and I've been trying to lead the whole time but they turned me down so I'm not really on them a lot because I know I haven't done nothing wrong I didn't do nothing wrong that night it's just a lot of BS and when you get when you get involved with a control freak that's what happened with a lot of money but I'm gonna try to control them and let them know that money can't buy me yes I love that I love that you're you're a man of principle and you're not gonna you know just be like, all right, you can have me back and not say sorry.

Speaker 1 What, though, the Knicks this past year, it did feel like they were kind of back.

Speaker 1 Like, were you rooting for them? Are you watching these games and being like, man, it is fun that Matt

Speaker 1 was on his back? The fans always had my back. I had the fans' back because I know they want to see him win.

Speaker 1 It ain't just about that guy who sits baseline with four or five blondes beside him in a kazoo. These kazoozoes.

Speaker 1 Forget about his band. Yeah, these fans have been, you know, Brown before me.
When I got here after me, they want to just see a winning team product on the court

Speaker 1 and I think that Thibodeau and the new green you know Rose and all their crew came in and changed it around but don't let it be fool goes don't be good one year and go bad the next year so I hope they can stay in the top four or five and add on a couple pieces and we can see what happened in a couple years you never know but

Speaker 1 it's just that guy sit court side is the problem you should show up to one of his concerts in the back you just stand there I think somebody's he got someone threw off a concert you know because they said something to him.

Speaker 1 So he real sensitive. I don't know how he live, surviving New York citizens.
He is. It's yeah, it's got to be a really it's a tough-minded city.

Speaker 1 He just, like they say, when somebody gave you everything in life, so I guess you could be like that. Yeah,

Speaker 5 there's been an ongoing, ongoing debate right now. I guess the Knicks, they want to retire your jersey and your jersey should be retired.
It should be in the rafters.

Speaker 5 But I understand your perspective. You don't want your jersey

Speaker 1 you don't want people to have to pay money to go see your jersey because Charles Oakley's going to be able to hang outside with the flag.

Speaker 1 Let the people who ride past benefit, not the guy who sits courtside.

Speaker 1 And I would want to put him on that flag. I wish he would raise the flag with me the same day side by side.

Speaker 1 I'm going to pull him up there with the flag.

Speaker 5 Your jersey should be displayed for the public, for the people.

Speaker 1 Oh, no doubt. I mean, that's who love me, and he don't love me, care for me, because

Speaker 1 what happened, if he did,

Speaker 1 what happened that night

Speaker 1 would never happen.

Speaker 5 Have you thought about slapping him?

Speaker 1 I did in New Orleans, about 2014 All-Star game. I tried to shake his hand.

Speaker 1 This guy, Wes, World West, was with him. And me, LeBron, his crew, Maverick, was outside playing Blackjack.
And Wes came and came on to speak to everybody.

Speaker 1 I don't think Lil Rich, you know, Lil Rich from Cleveland didn't shake his hand. Something was going on.
But he said, oh, you know, the owner of the Knicks. I said, well, yeah.

Speaker 1 So we walked around the corner. I had a couple of people with me.
We went around next host. So other people seen the same thing.
So he says, Mr. Dolan is Mr.
Oakle. He said, I met him before.

Speaker 1 He wouldn't even turn around and embrace me. And I said in many interviews, I said, I wanted to hit him in his head right there.

Speaker 1 I should have, maybe.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 I would have had a case. This other shit he called in the guard wasn't a case.
I think you would have. I mean, Knicks fans already love you.

Speaker 1 I think it would have gone to a next level if you had slapped him.

Speaker 1 When did you realize that slapping another man was pretty much the most alpha thing you could ever do? Because you are known for the slap. Bro, I went on Smack Barkley.
Yeah, can you tell that story?

Speaker 1 Was that a lockout? It wasn't no story. It was just something he talked too much, and I told him next time I see him, and

Speaker 1 I walked up to him like I did what I said I was going to do. And you said that he's got to change his name, right? No, I told him, don't say no Chuck or Charles or Chris or whoever begin with a C.

Speaker 1 So you can set somebody named Dick, Harry, you know, no C's.

Speaker 1 So why, you know, but no, you know, Charles, he's just a great player. Nothing gets me wrong with that.
But he just, he thinks he knows everything. And don't know.

Speaker 1 Everybody I talked to played with him, they hated him because he wasn't a leader. He was a guy who always prop himself for his own self.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, he went to Phoenix, went to Houston, and they didn't like him in Philly. And they bring him back because he's, you know, everybody bring the celebrities back.
You know, he's a celebrity.

Speaker 1 They drafted him in top five pick.

Speaker 1 You know, he played well there, but he didn't get a ring. I didn't get a ring.
Carl Malone didn't get get a ring. Passion to get a ring.
So we're all in the same bag.

Speaker 1 The only thing he got was just he got more money than I did. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Is there something that somebody can say that'll just like that'll set you off and you know, okay, now I don't like this guy? Like, is it what line has to cross?

Speaker 1 I mean, you got the thing got to be, you know, to be in the streets, you got to be able to control yourself and hold yourself. So it's just like,

Speaker 1 you know, you get people, you know, like the time Older Thorpe elbowed me in the face. He did it the first time.
The next time I had to, you know, I had to let him know I was on the oak tree. Yeah,

Speaker 5 I feel like you've probably slapped a lot of your friends.

Speaker 5 It's not like a big thing, just like keep them in check.

Speaker 5 Like a dog.

Speaker 1 I mean, no, no, I can't cover them out of no dog. But,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't really have too many problems. I mean, just sometimes, you know,

Speaker 1 like water, sometimes you turn hot water. I don't want to take a while to get hot.
So, you know,

Speaker 1 it takes a while for you to get up.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 from a basketball perspective,

Speaker 1 I love guys who are great rebounders. I just love it.

Speaker 1 I think it's one of those things that rebounding, there's a lot of skill, but it's also just wanting it more than the next guy.

Speaker 1 What made you such a great rebounder? Is there art to it? Is there something that just made you different?

Speaker 1 I mean, a guy do not like Dennis Rodman. I mean, by listening to that last day and seeing some of his things he was saying about rebound and see,

Speaker 1 he was really an art to it.

Speaker 1 yeah i never seen someone talk about you know moses malone was the best but the way he talked about rebounding my thing was you gotta know who on your team and know that you know what type of you know do they shoot a high shot straight line shot i mean it's a lot of stuff you know the rebounds that you have to do but the way he did it never heard it before he used to watch just play after play i never did that i watched tapes and stuff but uh it's it's a lot of hard work and that's why you're gonna find a lot of specials like dennis out of all everybody you you know Ben Wallace was a little different he had um

Speaker 1 you know he got rebounds but I said more of the special type was you know I'll be real with it Dennis Rodman

Speaker 1 but Moses was the best over

Speaker 1 rebound yeah I there's just something about I think it's the fact that rebounding

Speaker 1 like if you if a guy hustles and gets a rebound and really does it like you know he gets a guy out of position or he box out it's just it's it's like an added almost boost to the team where it's like extra shots, extra confidence, everything kind of like there, like when you're watching basketball, I guess the best way to describe it, I'm now rambling, but the best possessions are when a team can get like two or three offensive rebounds and they almost suck the wheel out of the defense.

Speaker 1 He was the type of guy. I mean, my son, you know, I got

Speaker 1 exercised.

Speaker 1 You know, I got guy that credit, you know, but

Speaker 1 he was a worker, though. I mean, he never got tired.
This guy, you know,

Speaker 1 you don't find too many guys after playing 35, 40 minutes of the game, then go do I want the bike. So all he did was rebound.
So, you know,

Speaker 1 he was good. Like I said, Moses, you know, myself,

Speaker 1 Michael Cage, you know, he beat me out the year by his teammate tapping him to rebounds. He wasn't a hustle guy to rebound.
A lot of guys can rebound. A lot of guys don't hustle to the ball.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, that's fine. You know, I was, Dennis was like that myself.
And a lot of guys just wait for it to come off the rim. Long rebounds or dive.

Speaker 1 I think Dennis dived a lot on the floor just to be diving. I dived for a reason.
So he wanted to act with it, but I, you know,

Speaker 1 I just, you know, took a lot of charge, hit a lot of floor, you know. So,

Speaker 1 yeah, the tough, the tough game. I mean, we, I think it's kind of talked about ad nauseum about the game, how much it's changed.

Speaker 1 Do you think a young Charles Oakley in today's game, like, what does that look like?

Speaker 1 It would look the same. Yeah, it'll be real easy.
I'll probably get 20-20.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 one thing about rebound rebound now is

Speaker 1 the field goal percentage is probably down three or four percent than when we played. Yeah.
So it's a lot more. It means eight to ten more rebounds.

Speaker 5 Yeah, more three-pointers being taken. So that means maybe more rebound opportunities.
Well, it just appears.

Speaker 1 They can't shoot, really. Yeah.
I mean, the shooting is bad.

Speaker 1 Who do you think is the toughest guy in the league right now? Toughest guy in the league?

Speaker 1 Well.

Speaker 1 Sri Bond?

Speaker 1 I don't know who tough. I mean,

Speaker 1 I ain't seen a fight. I see everybody hug and kissing.

Speaker 1 So I can't put it out there. I mean,

Speaker 1 maybe Tucker. Okay.
Tucker. Oh, yeah.
PJ Tucker. PJ Tucker.

Speaker 1 I like the way he played. And he got up in KD, facing it back down.
You know, I like KD, but I like Tucker.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give it to Tucker. Then maybe I'm going to give it to Draymond because

Speaker 1 he be punking big guys. So guy gave him his props.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 That's Alex Caruso.

Speaker 1 Tough guy. Oh, he used to play for the Lakers? Yeah.
Now he's in Chicago. Nah.
I like the answer PJ Tucker. I don't know too many light-skinned guys.

Speaker 1 PJ Tucker is one of those guys that, even though, like, Kevin Durant scored a ton of points in that series in the second round,

Speaker 1 he still made his life harder. And it's like

Speaker 1 that ability to at least like, hey, you're still going to score. Kevin Durant is still going to be the best score in the league, but he's going to make it harder.
Right. When you make it harder, but

Speaker 1 I think like we used to play the Bulls, you know, keep Mike under four under 30 you know mike check car malone he average 28 30 keep it you know keep you keep somebody eight ten points below the average you did your job it's hard to sit down a guy who can get the ball 25 times a game right you're just not gonna do it it's not gonna happen who's the toughest guy for you to guard

Speaker 1 uh outright tough

Speaker 1 i mean

Speaker 1 I mean, when we play, guys got calls. Like Carl Malone, you know, I used to call him the mailman who couldn't deliver it on Saturday and Sunday.

Speaker 1 Cat McKel had the up and down. Boston got all the calls.
So, play against Shaq. You know, I just love to play against Shaq.
You know, because Shaq to

Speaker 1 my 10 guys on my list I want to get in the ring with.

Speaker 1 And I was number one. I said, surprising, huh? I've been a ring with you twice.
You ain't do nothing.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 5 no, but with Shaq defending against Shaq, because he doesn't move around that much.

Speaker 1 My thing about Shaq,

Speaker 1 lower gravity guys can check him because he can't feel you. When you're tall, he can spin off your dudes.

Speaker 1 You see all his highlights, he's dunking on guys 6'10, you know, 7-footer. He don't dunk on smaller guys.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you mentioned the last dance. Obviously, you were on the Bulls when MJ is on the, you know, starting his career.
Scotty Pippen gets drafted. You get traded.

Speaker 1 When you were on that Bulls team before they start winning championships, did you know like Michael Jordan just he's better than everyone. He's different.
He's like,

Speaker 1 this is going to be something that will change the league. Oh, you can see the growth.
I mean, even from his rookie year, I mean,

Speaker 1 when he did on the court and playing with some guys who had a lot of talent, he just,

Speaker 1 he's just so shining. And then when I got there my first year, and, you know, he was just, you can see he was just going uphill.
He was always having 27, 28, 30, 30. You know, he just kept climbing.

Speaker 1 You know, when playing against Detroit, you know, everybody seemed like

Speaker 1 to be a champion or be a guy who can take over when you need to, go through adversity. So he went through his adversary with Detroit and all this and that.
How the bad boys,

Speaker 1 I mean, they just give people names because I don't think Detroit, I ain't never seen none of them guys in a fight. You know, Lambert got in a fight with Barkley, like two sisters fighting.

Speaker 1 So, you know, it is what it is. Yeah, I mean, I mean, Mahorn was kind of a.
Nah, Mahorn wasn't. No, no.
None of them. Would you say, actually, would you say maybe Isaiah Thomas?

Speaker 1 He was maybe the toughest guy on the whole team, and he's obviously the toughest guy. He's the sneakiest one.
Yeah. But Jeff Rudolph,

Speaker 1 I could be kidding, guys. Like, Jeff Rules made Rick Mahorn in Washington.
Now, Jeff Ruler was tough.

Speaker 5 Okay. What about later on in MJ's career? So you ended up teaming back up with him on The Wizards.

Speaker 1 Later on. That was just for, you know, ride through the park and ride on the boat.
Get a paycheck.

Speaker 1 Ride to the gang with him and, you know, ride on the plane with him. Yeah, I remember when you signed him the Wizards, it was like, it was like, let's be honest here.

Speaker 5 We're signing Charles Oakley because MJ needs a buddy on the team. He needs somebody to have his back.

Speaker 1 That's what they tried to say. He brought me in so I can, you know.

Speaker 1 Kwame, this and that.

Speaker 1 It was a lot of stuff with the MJ and Kwame story. And they didn't want to pick him.
And they picked him, and they didn't really want him. So, you know,

Speaker 1 it was fun, though, because that was, you know, that next year, his 40th birthday in D.C.

Speaker 1 And I cooked twice for like 40 people, two nights in a row. We got snowed in.

Speaker 1 And could nobody get out but Donald Trump. Wonder why.

Speaker 1 So in my book, I said he must have called Putin.

Speaker 5 What was that like, though? Because you guys were obviously both towards the end of your careers, respectively. You've had a lot of success.
You've played on some great teams before.

Speaker 5 and then you're on the Washington Wizards, who are not exactly a franchise with a great recent history.

Speaker 1 The good thing about it is we was veterans, but we were the first one that practiced every day.

Speaker 1 We didn't like, you know, the younger, you know, it started to change and shift for the younger guys and, you know, always like, well, other veterans, his eye turned, this and that.

Speaker 1 So with the Jerry House, the Michael thing was, you know, it was, they was, you know, Michael never backed down.

Speaker 1 So Jerry was like, you know, in practice, it was like, you know, Michael loved practice. That's his best game because if he can do it in practice, he'd get away with it in game.

Speaker 1 So they was getting to it in practice and this and that. Then some story came out about Jerry was upset with Doug because Doug didn't, you know, pass the torch.
Like, Michael, his time is up.

Speaker 1 He got a jersey zone, his time is never up, Stack House. So maybe your time is up because they, even though you was in Washington, you might have been younger, more fresher.

Speaker 1 23, you're going to always live no matter what he do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, so like along that same line, you know, watching the last dance and seeing MJ and those videos, like, he pushes his teammates to a level that in today's standards, people would probably be like, oh, that's bullying.

Speaker 1 Which is, but he, it seemed like most guys, or the majority of guys that stuck with the Bulls and stuck with MJ bought in because they knew that he's always pushing himself to far, far greater lengths than he asked anyone else so is that fair that's fair but my thing with that i tell mj all this time i said you play with a lot of bum garbage guys i said whenever it rained they should come and drive your car when it snowed they should come and do your driveway if you need if you if you need to ride somewhere it should all them bums you play with should be on speed dial all of them should be if mj call but

Speaker 1 i think in last dance You know, Scotty got a little, you know, offended by a lot of things that happened, you know, with, you know, saying this story.

Speaker 1 He didn't, he didn't want to go in the game because of Kuka, this and that. I told Scotty, you know, I talked to Scotty all the time, too, and I talked to Mike.
So I told Scotty,

Speaker 1 went for this, you know, your paycheck was Jerry didn't. Why are y'all so tough on Jerry? Jerry didn't write the pay.
Jerry was a scapegoat. Jerry was there.

Speaker 1 He did a great job of putting the team together. Y'all won six championship.
And they don't want to give him no credit. But, you know, he's a small guy.
You know, small guys get their complex.

Speaker 1 So I said, Scotty, it wasn't Jerry. It was Jerry Reinstall.
Yeah. The check said

Speaker 1 jerry was escape go but jerry rinstall put names on but they you know a couple other things so he you know so he came out he came out with a book too he came out with um a liquor line and a popcorn line so he doing a lot of stuff but mike just you know

Speaker 1 mike and in in the last damn mike you know he said he had the pad so how he couldn't lose he ain't gonna lose anyway because of mj so a lot of guys took like gary payton he said i'm not worried about gary payton so i thought gary payton probably one of the best defenders in the league.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm going to say? Okay, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 You got the last word in. But my thing was, hey, I didn't make him do the interview.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He said, hey, y'all, you know, hey, I'm Michael Jordan.

Speaker 5 Yeah. So right now, if you get a call from Michael Jordan and he's about to get jumped outside a gas station, how quickly are you on a flight down there?

Speaker 1 I'm going to call Air Force One. Yeah.
You're there?

Speaker 1 So I'm going to get there.

Speaker 1 So obviously, MJ, one of the most famous guys in the world, and he's got a small circle. How have you, like, you've been in his circle from day one, pretty much? He's 86.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So who's a better gambler? You or MJ? He got more money. Yeah.
He takes more chances. Okay.
Okay. And now, do you ever, are you a golfer? Yeah, he's a better golfer.
Yeah. Keep talking sports.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is how you stay in his circle, by the way. You just keep saying he's better than everything.
No, I don't. I'm a grown man.
I put my pants on like he put them on.

Speaker 1 He know it, and he knows how I put them on. Slap meter.
PFT had the slap meter a little higher earlier. I think I'm now on the slap meter.
No, I'm not a groupie.

Speaker 1 I'm way from a groupie. So, your friendship with him, I mean, it's stand, you know, the test of time.
Is it I got a better test of time for you? He's doing the forward in my book. There we go.

Speaker 1 So, he might like being around me, too. Yeah.
Yeah. What do you mean, it has to be like your friendship, obviously, means something to him? No, we good.

Speaker 1 We don't get into that. I don't have to agree with him.
I don't agree with him all the time anyway. Yeah.
I mean, I got pain. I mean, what the fuck? Right.

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Speaker 1 what is it do you think about about charles oakley that makes you a guy that people trust that people people like to have around and inside i've been the same way since i was 10 years old my grandfather until now and i run i run a straight line i don't bullshit people i don't have to bullshit people i tell the truth I mean, if you like it or not, but you ask me a question, I'm going to give you the best answer that I think that people want to hear.

Speaker 1 Not something that the press wants to hear, the people who buy in the paper, who listen to the nation, I mean, the station. So my thing is, I just try, I mean, honestly, you got to be honest in life.

Speaker 1 It's too many fake people out here, and that's what's wrong now. People are faking it to do this, faking to do that.
And that's why the pandemic is

Speaker 1 going on. We're not handling that the right way.
You know, we should have been took care of it in a more way that now we're just trying to, you know, just

Speaker 1 making the whole country look bad. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who's the guy that you played against that you respected the most in terms terms of like a toughness? Like, you know, we're on the same level.

Speaker 1 I don't know about that. No other player I played against.
I ain't respect none of them, really. Really? No.
I mean, it might have been better than me, but I don't have to respect them. Right.

Speaker 1 No, they knew they had a fight.

Speaker 1 I might not be a top 10 rank, but when I get in the ring, I'm going to feel like one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so there was never a guy that you were ever even like a second of a hesitation of like, I don't know, this guy's pretty strong. No, no, no.
I mean, that's got to be a good feeling.

Speaker 1 I don't even think about that. I just know what I got to do if I get on that court.
I had to play hard. I got to defend my teammates.

Speaker 1 I got to let them know it's not going to be no Kate walking this lane. So,

Speaker 1 no, I ain't worried about none of them guys.

Speaker 5 I'll tell you one guy that got the best of you on the court.

Speaker 1 He's trying to score more points.

Speaker 5 No, no, I'm talking physically. He escaped your grasp.
Jeff Van Gundy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 In the brawl.

Speaker 5 You had to hold him back. You messed up his hair a little bit, but he's slippery.
He's wiggly. He wiggled like out of your arms.

Speaker 5 Can you walk us through like what happened in that fight when it was, you know, Zoe and

Speaker 1 Larry John Jay, they got it, you know, something about a girl, I think. And I don't know who got the last kiss, but it was a fight.
And my teammate go, I go.

Speaker 1 That's what I do.

Speaker 1 That's, I see, I think that, like, reading all the stories and reading about guys who played with you, I think that's my favorite part about you: is that everyone to a man is like, if I ever was, if anyone ever stepped to me, I just knew Charles Oakley was right behind me right away.

Speaker 1 Small to be. And that's a teammate.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I'm going to give me a tag. So Oak for president.
Oak for president.

Speaker 1 I mean, LeBron said that.

Speaker 1 What made Pat Riley such a great coach?

Speaker 1 I guess L.A. talent.
In New York, hard work.

Speaker 1 Yeah, less talent.

Speaker 1 When you got Kareem, Magic, Cooper, Byron Scott,

Speaker 1 Michael Thompson, and

Speaker 1 I mean, James World, so New York, you get one Hall of Famer. I mean, I guess he's Hall of Fame.
Patrick Hall. Yeah, Patrick Holt.

Speaker 1 But anyway, that was part of the battle. But us, we just had to take on a different way of

Speaker 1 not having talent or playing just tough and strong mind every night. Pat Riley, he's a real,

Speaker 1 he stay on you. He works you.

Speaker 1 You're going to get a chance to win with his system, but some guys not built for the system.

Speaker 1 Some guys we you know, see, so Pat Riley, he can give you the pep talks, he can get you going, and some guys need, I didn't need that, because I like I said, I knew if it's snowing,

Speaker 1 I got a snowfly, I'm going to go snow the plow, go snow the snow. So a lot of guys need that extra boost.
I didn't need that.

Speaker 5 So who was your favorite coach to play for?

Speaker 1 Butch Carl.

Speaker 1 In Toronto. I mean, because he was just, he was, he didn't get a lot of credit.
He didn't coach a lot of years, but when he was on the court, he made everybody game so easy.

Speaker 1 Vince, Trace, all them guys. He put you, you always give you two plays.
So if you ain't no plays, you couldn't play for Butch. But anyway, so

Speaker 1 we always had a chance. He put you in like Trace and Vince.
You drop something, never put him in something that would take him out of their skill level.

Speaker 1 And that's, you know, you know, Pat Riley, you know, he got Hall of Fame, he got Reigns, he's in championship.

Speaker 1 But you think about the team they coached, they always had three or four all, you know, all-stars Hall of Fame. So when you got less talent,

Speaker 1 what could Pat Riley do with the Knicks? I mean, not Pat Riley, Phil Jackson. Even though he was upstairs, but your name is on.
You're a part of it. You're the president.

Speaker 1 So they look for you to get the guys here

Speaker 1 to build, you know, he failed. Yeah.
He came here just for the money. It's like going fishing.
Yeah. You know, Smoke a joint or something.
That's all he wanted to do. Yeah.
Don't blame him, honestly.

Speaker 1 I ain't mad at him.

Speaker 1 I'm really not mad at him. Not mad, but upset.
When the thing happened to Garth, he ran to me. Oh, oh, what happened?

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 1 it's 20 other people you're gonna run up to me what happened

Speaker 1 go ask the man down there with the four blondes

Speaker 1 you almost you almost fought your way through it i i remember i heard a story that you once got jumped in a vegas pool by seven dudes yeah and you and you and you fought your way out of it fought my way out of it what happened there i ain't had no choice what they just trying

Speaker 1 for no reason yeah some boo some bs it's like like it happened a lot while i was in new york for some reason like i go to party me and may seem like the security guard.

Speaker 1 They always wanted to, you know, seem like their chest got big. And when I walked up, I'm like, you know, they just always gave me not a lot, but, you know, I had on my business.

Speaker 1 But they always wanted to, like, you know, like, damn, here come Oak. Yeah.
Like, okay,

Speaker 1 we're going to fight. Like, it was, it was just crazy.
But in Vegas, yeah, I got a couple times. It was crazy.
But in New York, me and Mace had a couple issues here and there. But we, you know.

Speaker 5 Well, I feel like if Charles Oakley walks into a club and you think that you're a tough guy, like somebody sees you and they think to themselves, like, hey,

Speaker 5 this is like the final boss.

Speaker 5 If I can beat up Charles Oakley, then nobody can ever say anything else to me.

Speaker 1 They ain't never beat me up, so

Speaker 1 they had a bad time.

Speaker 5 They never got the chance.

Speaker 1 They never got the bad. No, it's a couple times happened.
It was a couple beatdowns. Tab and green.
Me and Mason, we chucked it out one night.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 1 I have a story that I want you to confirm or deny.

Speaker 1 There's a story that you once took a

Speaker 1 player's newborn out of of his hands so that you could slap him. No, we just went.
No, I didn't do that. I wouldn't do that.
So, what was it? That's a false story. A fully false story.

Speaker 1 Somebody just wanted to use my name to try to get themselves into some kind of club or something.

Speaker 1 I love that that's a story, though, that I believe.

Speaker 1 That's not a good story to be.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't want that on my record. Okay.

Speaker 1 Somebody had a newborn baby. Yeah, that's a bad one.
Yeah, take that off the record. That was just telling the record.
It might be a hunter story. I'm 99% right.
Nest than one story is wrong.

Speaker 1 Okay, take that one off the record. What about this one? The Tyrone Hill story that he

Speaker 1 anything you said with that is right. Yes, so he owed you $50,000

Speaker 1 and he only paid you $10,000. And then every time you guys played each other, you just chuck a ball at his head and lay up lines.
I'll add a little more to it.

Speaker 1 So basically, it was a Philadelphia in the playoff, right?

Speaker 1 So I guess

Speaker 1 let me tell you another, I'm going to tell you this.

Speaker 1 So we play in Philly during the season, right?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we go to the locker room, right? Somebody sent me some flowers. So I look at the flower, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 So I see the ball boy from Philly because, you know, they do the both of locker room. They go back and forth.
So I told my name off and wrote

Speaker 1 to Tyrone here from Charles Oakley. I gave the ball boys $100.
I said, put these in his locker. And let me know when he walk in.

Speaker 1 So he came back about 30 minutes later. He just walked in.
And I said, did you do that? He said, yes. I said, did you watching? He said, yes.
He started reading it.

Speaker 1 And then he he said uh he started coughing

Speaker 1 so then he said he was after he read he started coughing and the ball boy said he kept coughing and he told the team he was sick

Speaker 1 home

Speaker 1 oh that's fantastic that's awesome

Speaker 5 uh so

Speaker 5 I guess if if you were playing in the NBA today, do you think that your game, your skill set right now, you said 20 points, 20 rebounds a game.

Speaker 5 Is there a player right now that you think kind of matches up to what your skill set was that's taking advantage of, like you said, the more missed shots?

Speaker 1 I mean, I feel his toughness, I get, but he wasn't a rebound. He's just a guy who just

Speaker 1 got a chance to play, and he spied up three in Houston, and he's a warrior.

Speaker 1 But no, I mean, I can, you know, offense rebound, I can hit the mid-range, and I can make my key is I can make my free throws.

Speaker 5 So do you think the fact that people aren't shooting as many mid-range jumpers in practice, that's why a lot of the great players aren't so great from the foul line?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 ain't got nothing to do with it.

Speaker 1 It's just like when I play it, I ain't touched the ball maybe from a teammate, maybe four or five times. Most of my points came up offensive rebound putback.

Speaker 1 So, that's just into the individual. You know, you gotta have a touch, you know, like playing ping pong and stuff and tennis.
It's about having a feel and touch. So, that's why I did other things.

Speaker 1 You You know, I played football while I was coming up, you know.

Speaker 1 But free throw is all in your mind. You just got to practice.
Yeah. I mean, I wasn't great in college, but I got from 68,

Speaker 1 70 in college to 80, 85 in NBA. So, I mean, I worked on it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we mentioned your book that Michael Jordan's writing the forward. So it's coming out in February.
Yes. It's called Amazon Enforcer, yeah.
The Last Enforcer, Amazon Pre-sale right now.

Speaker 1 So you can get, you can order now and get at the New Year's. Okay, so order it right now.
You said

Speaker 1 everyone's heard the B and C stories. The A stories are going to be in the book.

Speaker 1 Well, this is going to be closer to not C, but closer to A, but then another book is going to come out after this one. A plus.
A plus. There we go.
Can you give us an A story?

Speaker 1 And if it's a good A story, people have to legally, you have to go buy the book. So I'm telling them, our fans will do anything we say.
So if you give us a good A story, they'll go buy the book.

Speaker 1 Good A story.

Speaker 1 All of them is A's, so it's just, they got to get the book. I mean, I hate this.
One story.

Speaker 5 Give us a Patrick Ewing story.

Speaker 1 I don't talk about Patron. Okay.
Ain't no stirring.

Speaker 1 Give us a. That's a newspaper you order don't come.

Speaker 1 What about

Speaker 1 another? What about a gambling story? On a plane or with MJ? What's the most you've seen MJ gamble in a night? Were you with him in Atlantic City?

Speaker 1 Not this night. Okay, not a night.
I've been in with him.

Speaker 1 Really,

Speaker 1 I mean, like I said, when you get that kind of money, there's no limit. It's just people want to have something and just have some.
Oh, MJ was in Atlantic City.

Speaker 1 You know, we lost that series because I think more you write about it, the more does he, it feed him.

Speaker 1 Because if you watch The Last Dance and his Hall of Fame speech, it was about things people, you know, he feed off of stuff. You talk about him.
He did that.

Speaker 1 have been so my thing is you know some people you mess with some people you don't right it's like a bully pick on the wrong guy and get his ass whooped right so that's what mj do so if so if you're hanging out with mj right now and you guys are gambling and you start talking shit to him uh you just know that he's gonna like it's it's still i assume he still has that all the time

Speaker 1 to him he can't beat me up right i mean that's different i mean it's it's something you control on the basketball court but i mean i don't just talk see we don't just talk shit to one of the people he know me if he says something wrong to me, I might hit him.

Speaker 1 He says something. Okay, I'll give you a prime example.
So I was at the golf course two and a half months ago, and,

Speaker 1 you know, it's 20 people sitting at this table attending that paper. So I walk in.
He said, what's up, motherfucker? I said, what's up, motherfucker? So I head and put my shoes on.

Speaker 1 He jumped me on my back, and I flipped him.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I said, yeah, motherfucker, it's still here.

Speaker 1 I'm the boss. You the boss of this club, but I'm the boss of Oakley.
So, and as I flipped him over, and he looked up at everybody, ain't nobody going to help me? They started eating like this.

Speaker 1 So it was funny what happened. No, we always kid around.
Something, you know, we just, we got that thing that no matter what we do, we see, whatnot, he smack me, I smack him, we still tight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
That's great.

Speaker 5 Is he your best friend?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's pretty cool. No, no, I'm just saying, you know, he's the best friend since, like, you know, once I got to the league.
Now, growing up, I got some other guys in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 We We cool, this and that. But yeah, for his life, for a long jeppers, like last 30 years plus.
Yeah, I mean, anytime I call him, he called me back, answering.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, he was just upset about what happened in the garden, and I just told him the man was wrong. And, you know, I flew down the next day.
Another time in Vegas, I'm telling you that.

Speaker 1 So that incident was they broke my wrist.

Speaker 1 So they call MJ like four o'clock in the morning because something had happened, this and that. It was always something.

Speaker 1 So they call him like, I'm like, okay, well, he called me, what the fuck is going on? I said, man, it was an incident. I said, who called you?

Speaker 1 You should know what happened. About now, they call you calling me.
So it means somebody must have called you. I ain't called you.

Speaker 1 So, but anyway, they messed my wrists up. I go to Desert Indian Hospital, you know,

Speaker 1 x-ray show with two fragile bones. They put a cast on.
So the next day, I fly to MJ house, having a little party. I get there.
He said, yeah, motherfucker, let me sign your cast.

Speaker 1 I said, motherfucker, you ain't signed my fucking cast. He said, because, you know, it was a purple cast.
He's a Q-Dog. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was like, no, motherfucker, you should have flied there and helped me out.

Speaker 1 I would have had a broken wrist. But no,

Speaker 1 no, that's my man, though. He always comes in the back for me, and I'm glad I was a part of him.
And, you know, when we had an issue, I was there for him.

Speaker 5 That's probably the first time he's offered to sign an autograph in like 50 years. Yeah.
He gets requested from so many people, and you're like, no, I don't want your signature.

Speaker 1 High demand. Yeah, yes.
High demand. That's awesome, though.
I mean, I think having Charles Oakley as a best friend would be pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Rolling around. I mean, you know, he made some weights for me.
And, you know, a lot of people always still come up to me. Are you still biting off EMJ?

Speaker 1 I say the check's still cashing.

Speaker 5 I'm curious, what's the difference between, at least when you played, between a tough player and a dirty player? Where's that line?

Speaker 1 A dirty player when he do something more than once to me.

Speaker 1 I give you a freebie. The second one, then I'm taking charge.
So someone like elbows you in the head, you're like, all right, you get one? Yeah, that's it. No matter what he does, you get one.

Speaker 1 And how many times did someone just take that one and they're like, okay, thank you, Mr. Oakley?

Speaker 1 I will not do another one. Only guy who did it once and

Speaker 1 he did it a second time, almost tried to catch himself was Otis Thorpe. Okay.
I teed off on him.

Speaker 1 I mean, because he hit me in the face. My thing is almost, you almost got to check yourself out the game because if it happened again, I'm taking over.
Right.

Speaker 1 But no, it ain't never happened too often, though. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you, where does LeBron rank all-time?

Speaker 1 MJ one, LeBron two. Okay.
I like those rankings. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, they always want to throw a sin in third, so we'll have to give it to probably Kareem or Shaq. Yeah.
Kareem, and then maybe Matt.

Speaker 1 I don't go past

Speaker 1 it. You don't go past three? I like that.

Speaker 1 I got KD. I got KD up there.
Really? Yeah. I mean, he is.
I got KD up there. I always talk about

Speaker 1 Burry is not better than KD. What about Wilt?

Speaker 1 I wasn't even born. Yeah, Katie.

Speaker 1 I was, you know.

Speaker 1 Wilt might be better than all of them, but

Speaker 1 he was playing against everybody's 6'5, 6'6. Yeah, right.
KD is like...

Speaker 1 I don't think we'll ever see someone...

Speaker 1 Obviously, you can never say never, but

Speaker 1 he's seven feet. I know he says he's not.
He's seven feet, and his ability to score and his ability to dribble and do everything is like so incredible. Incredibly out of this world.

Speaker 1 Why do they keep messing with KD? I mean, Kyrie. I mean,

Speaker 1 these reporters are going to have to get over it. These guys is who they are and they're not going to change.
And, you know, like press first day of camp yesterday, they went to KD and Kyrie.

Speaker 1 I mean, they've been going back and forth. Term and Jared.

Speaker 1 Who was that?

Speaker 1 Used to be on Late Night Show. David Letterman.

Speaker 1 How they let David Letterman? That's embarrassing, though. I know they try to do all the stunts, all the publicity, trying to get all the headlines and news.
You can't do that.

Speaker 5 I think they let David Letterman in to ask that question because they wanted

Speaker 1 to.

Speaker 5 They didn't want to have people focusing on Kyrie. So they're like, hey, look, we're doing this.

Speaker 1 They need to stop playing these ugly prank games. You don't play with these people life like that.
So, I mean,

Speaker 1 if he got 20 Bernie, let him have 20. Yeah, it's clicks.

Speaker 1 It's clicks. And their relationship

Speaker 1 sells articles and podcasts. I mean, we're part of the media, so it happens.

Speaker 1 We talk about LeBron all the time. We talk about Katie all the time.

Speaker 1 So talking about that team, though, you were on a ton of teams. Team chemistry, I contend, is the most important thing in basketball.
Like any other sport, you can get by without having a tight team.

Speaker 1 Basketball, you need a tight team because it's only 12 guys.

Speaker 1 What was the one time where you felt like a team that you were on, the chemistry was falling apart and you had a part in being like, hey, let's get back together, guys. Toronto.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What happened there? It wasn't even falling apart. The training camp ain't even started.
We had heard about, butch had told everybody, he sold everybody a dream.

Speaker 1 And I heard about it right 10 minutes before we go out to the first day of training camp. And I call a team meeting.
I sit everybody down. I sit at Butch ass in the middle.

Speaker 1 I make him go all the way around the circle.

Speaker 1 And we dress everything you didn't tell everybody and say it in front of the team. And once we hear everything from you now, we go out and practice as a team.
Just had to get it together. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because a lot of the coaches

Speaker 1 sell out guys. You tell them this, then over here, tell that guy this.
And, you know, like, if you're fighting for the best guy win. Right.
But no,

Speaker 1 that was one of the wild things. Guys couldn't believe I called the team me

Speaker 1 on the first day. First day.
I like it, though, because

Speaker 5 it's a good way to start the season if you're being honest with everybody, everyone's expectations are the same.

Speaker 1 And Chemistry Gifts came like this. Yeah.
We had veterans. That's what Vincent Trace was there.
We just, like, this is y'all team. We're going to do the dirty work.
Dale, Dee Brown, you the shooter.

Speaker 1 Muggs, you the point guard. I mean, Kevin Willis, Dale David, I mean, Antonio David.
So we had good nucleus after that. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 What was the strangest part about moving up to Canada after so many years in the United States? I'm always fascinated to know like people that go play for the Raptors for the first time.

Speaker 5 There's got to be some like culture differences.

Speaker 1 Well, the crazy thing was, to me,

Speaker 1 I was driving. I was coming from Cleveland.
And they stopped me at the border.

Speaker 1 And something, they said something on my break.

Speaker 1 You can't have nothing. You can't say you smoke a cigarette and threw it out the window over there.

Speaker 1 They'll send you back where you're coming from. So something was up.
I don't know if it was Miss Prince or what.

Speaker 1 They had me, I had to wait seven hours. They had to call the prime minister to get me in.
So

Speaker 1 my first day was bad. Yeah.
But it's just different. I love it being over there.
It's clean where it used to be. Now the crime is just like El Chicago over there now.
It's bad.

Speaker 1 But it's great food, great people. And I mean, it's a great great place to live.

Speaker 1 This has been awesome.

Speaker 1 We really appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 I'll try to be honest. Y'all got to invite me back with a book.
Yeah, the book. When the book comes out, I'm telling you.

Speaker 5 Can we get a B-plus story?

Speaker 1 When you get the book, and when I come back, you're going to be like, man. Why did you slap Charles Barkley?

Speaker 1 In the book or the other time? Both times.

Speaker 1 How many times have you slapped? Let me ask a better question. How many times have you slapped Charles Barkley? Well,

Speaker 1 off the court once, on the court a few other times. But no,

Speaker 1 it was just, like I said, when he was saying,

Speaker 1 it was a lockout year. It's always a lockout.
Both of them, you know, it was a lockout. He said something.
He just liked to talk. And he was had a, I guess they had a game in Atlanta City.

Speaker 1 He was down there. I ain't none of them New York guys no good.
So

Speaker 1 he said, none of them guys, New York was good. I'm playing in New York, so I'm taking it hard.
When somebody's talking about a city I'm in, you're talking about me.

Speaker 1 You know, you can be a comedian, whoever. You said something about Cleveland, you're talking about me.
I'm standing up for my place, city, New York, Cleveland.

Speaker 1 So when I'm in places, people talk, I said something to them. I don't care.
That becomes a little problematic because you played in a lot of different cities.

Speaker 1 So you really can't say anything bad about a lot of cities. No, just Cleveland and New York.
Okay. I was on the owner.
Not Chicago, not Toronto. Well, Chicago.
Oh, yeah, Chicago. And Toronto.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Don't say anything bad about Cleveland. Well, I got

Speaker 1 more of Cleveland, Chicago, New York. Toronto is a little different.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 5 Who's on your on-site list?

Speaker 1 I have no on-site list no more.

Speaker 5 James Dolan?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I don't really talk about him. He ain't nothing to talk about.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When you've got to have people around you just to somebody to see you, you ain't nothing to talk about. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so everyone go check out the show October 7th on

Speaker 1 Fox Soul, chopping it up with Oakley. You got to come back for the book.
I will come back. That's a book.

Speaker 1 We're not book guys. I'm reading the book.
I'm telling you, if this book,

Speaker 1 I ain't going to say what number is going to do, but like I said,

Speaker 1 it ain't going to do Michael Jackson or

Speaker 1 Winnie Houston number, but

Speaker 1 we're going to do numbers. It would do better numbers if you gave us an A story.
If you gave us an A story, it would do better numbers right now. We could tell everyone to buy it.

Speaker 1 This whole conversation has been A. It has been A.
It has been a fantastic conversation.

Speaker 5 I would much rather read Charles Oakley's book filled with A stories than a Michael Jackson book. I think you have better stories.

Speaker 5 You might have the best stories of anybody that's ever played in the NBA, actually.

Speaker 1 A lot of guys, they're not truthful. They just, they go with the floor.
I just, I go with it. The main thing is some people just,

Speaker 1 they want to do it, but they're scared to do it. What did this person might say? What did that person might say?

Speaker 1 No, just, I mean, my thing is, that's why the book on Silk, I've been consistency all through my career. You know, you...
You call me in, we do interview.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give you the best answer that I can. I ain't going to try to just get the right answer to, you know, the political answer.
I'm going to give you a right answer.

Speaker 1 What about the time you poured an entire bottle of Jack Daniels on a teammate because he tried to hide the bottle from you? That happened? Yeah, that's confirmed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But you wasted the bottle even though he was hiding it from you.

Speaker 1 That was just, we had one and we had a day off, and

Speaker 1 the guy had said, oh, I got to, you know, it was crazy how it happened. But T-Mac told us a story.
He should have checked in with me. I'm going to get T-Mac.

Speaker 1 All about his, hey, when you go over here with some story, you got to call the boss. Call the boss.

Speaker 1 tell my stories you know i was the vet when i came up there i took care of you now yeah

Speaker 1 you know don't let some things get out the house yeah now when you were a rookie did any any veteran ever try to like check you or keep you in place yeah so i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna tell you a story and that's what you're all right all right great here we go so we was on the road chicago i'm a rookie up in milwaukee

Speaker 1 so i missed the first team bus you know so you know like fit like a half hour before the next one so i missed it and i wait for the next one but i was the first one on the last bus but i got on first and the vet's like, oh, Rook, what are you doing on this bus?

Speaker 1 I said, I missed the fucking bus. I mean, I came around the bus.
Oh, yeah, you're going to have to pay for this. I'm saying to myself, pay for what?

Speaker 1 So, okay, we go to the arena, get in. So I rush in the locker room because I had to get taped.
Rookers, you had to get taped back then. So I run and get on the table.

Speaker 1 You know, because the other guys went out and went shooting. And the vet come in.
Oh, you can't get taped right now. I said, tell me why I can't get taped.

Speaker 1 No, the vet, no, you're supposed to have been here earlier. You want to to get tape.
I said, fuck that.

Speaker 1 So he said, okay, well, you're not going to get tape. I said, well, you're not going to get tape.

Speaker 1 Then Mark Farr was the trainer. He said, oh, you know what the vets do? They get first served.
I said, Mark, fuck you in the vet.

Speaker 1 I said, if you move me from this table, you can get tape. And he said, he went and got two more guys.
I said, okay, that's all you got? So Mark said, oh, you got to get up. I said, no, fuck you.

Speaker 1 So I took all the tape and threw it in the garbage. Ain't nobody get fucking tape.

Speaker 1 I love it. I threw all the taping.
I said, well, how you like that?

Speaker 1 Now come and fuck with me.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Oak, this has been awesome.
Appreciate it. Everyone, go check it out.
Again, October 7th, 8 p.m. Eastern

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Speaker 1 this has been awesome. We really appreciate it.
I can't wait to come back.

Speaker 1 It gets better every time. Love it.
Anytime you want to come. Yeah, OpenAI.

Speaker 1 We're on the right side of the street. Anytime you want to come, we're on the right side of the street.
We're opposite of Madison Square Gardens, so you're welcome here all the time. All right.

Speaker 1 We're going to have to set something up there. Yes.
We'll retire your jersey in this office. Anyone can come out of it.
I want 3% of the revenue. 3%.

Speaker 1 You drive a hard bargain.

Speaker 5 I'm in no position to negotiate with Charles Oakley.

Speaker 1 You can go get that from Josh Allen. He owes us.
So we'll just do that. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Actually, don't do that.

Speaker 1 Maybe a kid that's a barklie. He'll give us 6%.
Ooh, okay. Yeah, I like that.
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Now, here's Pete Prisco.

Speaker 1 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend for a quick, short update about Jacksonville. It is Pete Prisco.
I'm going to do the hype thing already. No, that wasn't.

Speaker 1 That actually wasn't the insult I was going to say.

Speaker 1 Pete Prisco is joining us from CBS Sports. He was a former Jacksonville beat writer.
He knows the team inside and out. He also is a pervert, so it's the perfect guy to have on to talk Urban Meyer.

Speaker 1 What's going on?

Speaker 1 How big of an embarrassment is this? Is this going to end Urban Meyer's career in the NFL before the season's over?

Speaker 12 Well, it's an embarrassment because he didn't take the flight home.

Speaker 12 No coach stays behind, unless there's a major incident or funeral or medical emergency or something, you get on the plane and you go home.

Speaker 12 And if you want to go see your grandkids, you get on your private plane because you make a boatload of money and you go back or you fly them in.

Speaker 12 And you could have saw those kids the night before the game on Thursday.

Speaker 12 So that's a bad excuse. He just stayed behind.
He went out and partied. And I think this is a problem for him.
You saw the statement by Shad Khan saying he's got to regain the trust.

Speaker 12 To me, that statement says this. We're not firing you and paying you off, but I think it puts Urban Meyer in a position where maybe he would resign.

Speaker 12 Maybe they work out a little bit of a settlement.

Speaker 1 So it's a good point about staying behind. So if anyone doesn't know, I mean, everyone knows the story now, but just to

Speaker 1 recap very quickly, they play the Bengals on Thursday night. The Jaguars go back to Jacksonville.
Urban Meyer goes to Columbus to party it up on Friday.

Speaker 1 Have you ever heard of a coach just being like, all right, team, I'll see you on Monday? No.

Speaker 12 I mean, you might say that on a Friday after you come back, you fly back with the team and say, hey, look, you got the weekend off. We'll see you on Monday, but you're going to be doing work.

Speaker 12 You might take half a day or a day in the weekend to go spend it with the family, but you're going to be back doing your work. It makes no sense.
There's no reason for him to stay behind ever.

Speaker 12 And I've asked around. I can't remember or recall any situation other than maybe a funeral or something where a coach stayed behind and didn't fly back with his team.

Speaker 5 So in a weird way, I almost think it's worse for him that he lied about it. It sounds like he lied about it to his team, to his players.

Speaker 5 And if he had just, I think if he got in front of his team and been like, hey, listen, I was horny. There was this chick.
I've seen her a couple of times. She asked me to stay behind.

Speaker 5 So I said, okay, I went to the bar with her, got my dick grinded on for a while. I'm sorry.
It'll never happen again. I think they probably would have had his back on that.

Speaker 5 They probably would have laughed about it and been like, okay, we all make mistakes. I at least understand where you're coming from.

Speaker 5 But the fact that he said like he told his team I was at an event and a woman approached me so bad and and uh she was flirting with me and I didn't know what was going on at the time technically she that woman is a grandchild is someone's someone's grandchild but he was like I was out with my grandchildren and a woman approached me and she was dancing on me and I couldn't ignore her that that when you lie about it to a group of guys who would be understanding I think that does more damage because they're like, I can't trust a single word this guy's going to say.

Speaker 12 Yeah. And,

Speaker 12 well, they dragged me to the dance floor. And that didn't quite, that wasn't what it looked like.
And so, yeah, those players are going, yeah, coach, I don't believe it.

Speaker 12 And then he invokes his quarterback's name and his apology. I mean, he threw him at a, well, I had to warn him when he went to his match to the party.
I mean, come on.

Speaker 1 Petino-esque.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Petino-esque of like something about these horny coaches. They like deflect so quickly to something else.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you cover the league, you've been around the Jaguars for a very long time.

Speaker 1 Like where does this, how does this play out? Is this going to be Urban Meyer steps down in two days? Or is this going to be Urban Meyer finds a way to keep coaching at the end of the year?

Speaker 1 Like on a scale of Bobby Petrino to Nick Saban, where is this going to end up?

Speaker 12 I think it's more Bobby Petrino than Nick Sabin. I really do.
I think this is bad, man. And it's not just because of this.

Speaker 12 There's been so many other things that have gone on and inside the building where he gets into it with coaches and they don't respect him. They don't like him.
They have game plan issues.

Speaker 12 He interrupts team meetings and

Speaker 12 positional meetings.

Speaker 12 And so I just think that this is a bad,

Speaker 12 you know, look, he had the strength and conditioning coach he hired from Iowa. Bad look.
His special teams coordinator is no longer there when he hired him for whatever reasons.

Speaker 12 And I don't think he stood by him.

Speaker 5 So I think there's all kinds of issues there that this is just the last of them yeah it's just and when it comes to player trust if your players don't trust you you know and you're not winning it's gonna it's gonna go in the really bad direction yeah you you brought up the statement that shad khan released today where he said that he has to regain our trust i actually think the bigger part of that is saying he must regain our respect because that implies that right now Shad Khan does not respect Urban Meyer.

Speaker 5 And if you're an Urban Meyer and you see that, you have to start thinking, okay, my days are numbered here.

Speaker 12 And I think he thinks his days are numbered. And I think they're going to try and work out a seven.
That's the way I look at it.

Speaker 12 I mean, if you're, if you fire him, you owe him 35 million or whatever you owe him, whatever salary, you know, and there are differing reports about his salary, but it's roughly 35 million, 35 to 40 million.

Speaker 12 You'd owe him that money

Speaker 12 because I don't think this is a moral. I don't think this is really a morals clause.

Speaker 12 is situation i don't think this is you know conduct detrimental to the team situation did he tell him he was going to stay behind we We don't know the details of that.

Speaker 12 So I don't know if you could fire him with cause. But if you say to him, look, Urban, this isn't working out.
After the season, the team's record is bad. I'm letting you go.

Speaker 12 Then why not just make it look good for him? Say, okay, I'll give you 10 million. You walk off into the sunset.
I'll make one of the other guys an interim coach and then we'll go from there.

Speaker 12 And that's what I think is more like.

Speaker 1 Do you think Urban's heart was ever in this? Because it feels like to me that he just took this job because it pays really well. He's, you know, got Florida ties.

Speaker 1 It's, it's something that almost something to do. Like the NFL, you can, you can basically give it a shot and you know, you don't have to recruit, and you have the first pick and all these things.

Speaker 1 Do you think Urban Meyer actually went into this job with like good intentions? I want to be the coach for the Jaguars for the next 10 years and see them, you know, have success?

Speaker 12 I think he did, but then when he got the job, he realized the magnitude of it. It's entirely different.
You know, it's not, it's not chilling. You know, like the other day when he traded C.J.

Speaker 12 Henderson, and C.J. Henderson's 10 games into his NFL career.
Now, C.J. Henderson had an issue with him.

Speaker 12 He put him on a, supposedly put him on a bike in front of the team after he came back from COVID. He didn't like it.
He didn't want to practice. So that's C.J.
Henderson's issues as well.

Speaker 12 But then he mentions, I talked, I had a good conversation with CJ and his parents. Why on earth is an NFL coach calling parents and talking to parents? These are grown men.
This is their job.

Speaker 12 They make their living playing football. And I think that's the disconnect for him.
He doesn't understand college is one thing, the NFL is another.

Speaker 12 And until you learn that as a guy who's never been in the league, you're going to have failures. And I think that's where this is coming into play.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you heard it in training camp with the whole hustle and hydrate, where he's yelling at guys to hustle to hydrate. That's like the big urban Meyer thing that he does in practice.

Speaker 1 And I would imagine everyone just rolled their eyes and they're like, Are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 1 Why are you telling me that I have to like hustle up to get some water and then hustle back to practice?

Speaker 12 Well, and also, he said at one point in camp, the players will play for the coach. No, not on that, not in this level.
They don't. They play for the green dollar.
That's what they play for.

Speaker 12 It's all about the money. And once a coach figures that out, then he's okay and he can move on.
Look, it took Tom Coughlin when he was the head coach came in. He was an assistant coach in the NFL.

Speaker 12 He had been there before, so he understood what it took. These guys who've never been in the league, like Steve Spurrier was in the league, but he was never never in the league coaching.

Speaker 12 Those guys have a different situation.

Speaker 12 It's tough to, the only guy that came from college that was never in the league that really, Joe, I mean, Jimmy Johnson had great success, and then he went in the league, but it's a tough transition dealing with the modern NFL player really is.

Speaker 5 And to me, this is almost as big a deal for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Like, it's on the front office for making this hire to begin with.

Speaker 5 Like the old story of the scorpion and the frog, where it's like the scorpion gets on the frog's back. Why'd you sting me? Oh, why'd you put your finger in my butthole? Well, because I'm Urban Meyer.

Speaker 5 That's what happened in Jacksonville.

Speaker 5 Like that, they should have known what we all knew going into this, which is Urban Meyer is going to try to coach in the NFL like he's coaching in college football.

Speaker 12 And here's the other thing. If he does, they don't end up with the first overall pick.

Speaker 12 I don't think he goes back into coaching. That was the attraction of it.
Trevor Lawrence was the guy. He brought him back.
And I know he's had conversations with people about that.

Speaker 12 That's the reason he went back. And now they're in danger of ruining him if they don't fix it quickly.
That kid's special. Their offense is outdated.

Speaker 12 They don't do a lot of things

Speaker 12 creativity with creativity. And they also don't have much motion and much talent and speed outside.
And so this kid is forced to do things. You saw it last week.
He ran a fourth down.

Speaker 12 They ran an option run out of the shotgun from fourth and goal from the inch. I mean, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 It's just a bad situation.

Speaker 5 You can't ruin that kid.

Speaker 12 They have to get a bright young offensive offensive mind in there to coach him.

Speaker 12 And there are a lot of them out there.

Speaker 5 So that's one side of the question: is like, what do the Jaguars do next? And nobody really has any faith after this hire that they're going to get the next one right.

Speaker 5 But then the other side is Urban Meyer. Do you think that this would screw up Urban Meyer's reputation enough to the point where USC wouldn't even touch him?

Speaker 12 Possibly. And here's the other part of that: is after this whole mess, does he even want to go back into coaching?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 12 I mean, you know, college coaching is really a grind when it comes to recruiting. I just, you know, how did he recruit? That's what I want to know.

Speaker 12 I mean, he's kind of socially, a little socially awkward, it seems like. And the relationships you hear with people inside the building aren't exactly warm and fuzzy.

Speaker 12 So how does a guy like that recruit? How do you go into homes and get on Skypes and Zooms and recruit kids? I mean, that's the question that I have a hard time figuring out.

Speaker 12 I think, you know, obviously recruiting is a dirty, yeah, it's a dirty game. So who knows? Maybe that's how it worked out.

Speaker 1 well, I mean, he recruits. It's pretty simple how he recruits.

Speaker 1 He drops his three national championships on the table, and he's like, if you come play for me, you're going to, I mean, obviously, the school helps too. Ohio State, you know,

Speaker 1 it's easy to recruit for a school like Ohio State because you're basically saying this is a pipeline to the NFL. You're going to be on the primetime games.

Speaker 1 You're going to be in a facility that's state of the art.

Speaker 1 Do you think that he'll do any health stuff? I feel like that's the only thing we're missing here. Urban's

Speaker 1 got to do do maybe a collapse on the sideline real quick so that he gives himself a nice out.

Speaker 12 I hope it does. I think the better thing is to say, look, I've tried this.
I have some issues. Clearly, I have issues.

Speaker 12 You know, I think this is one of those situations where he has to do it that way

Speaker 12 and take the payout for 10 million, then walk off into the sunset.

Speaker 5 Damn. I could definitely see him saying, like, I've got an addiction.
I've got an addiction to getting horny. Not like a sex addiction, but he just enjoys

Speaker 1 No, he will just say that. He would just, he, he will, he'll just say, my migraines are back.
Ow, my arm. He's like the old caddyshack.

Speaker 12 Yeah, he's not going to say that. There's no way he's saying that.
I mean,

Speaker 12 then you're just, yeah, you're just, you're just tainted. No way.
No, no, no, no. He will not say that.
But, but there are ways to get out of it. And, and here's the other thing.
You know,

Speaker 12 the other, from his family standpoint, what do they want him to do?

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 12 that's the issue.

Speaker 1 I think his wife actually wanted him to go out and get a little, you know, graze up on some ass and get his confidence. I doubt it.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think so.

Speaker 5 I think that it's a possibility that was true. But from what I've read about this after the fact, so Urban's still lying about he still hasn't finished lying about what happened.

Speaker 5 The girl that was in question, he knows her. They've worked together in the past.
It's not like it was a random person that called him over and started grinding on him.

Speaker 1 How do you know that?

Speaker 5 Because I've done some deep digging on the internet, Pete.

Speaker 1 There's some.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's a lot of people who don't like Urban Meyer. I've written a lot of articles.
I read some stuff, too. It's like, it's very, I mean, it's public.
Yeah, it's public.

Speaker 5 He's tagged her in pictures that he's taken before. And so he knew her going into this.
And, yeah, it's... He needs to, at some point, stop lying, but Urban Meyer won't ever stop lying.

Speaker 5 That's the problem. And he also sucks at apologizing.
Oh,

Speaker 1 he's the worst apologizer ever.

Speaker 5 When he was at Ohio State, we were like, he needs a vice president of apologies just to write his statement.

Speaker 1 Well, his apologies always end up becoming apologies for not apologizing correctly.

Speaker 12 So he never actually, actually actually he's a genius in apologizing because he never actually has to apologize for the act he just has to not apologize and then apologize for not apologizing it's genius when you think about it yeah i i think he the apology here was that he lied i mean that's the worst part of it if if you if you get caught like this and you you definitely it's all out there everybody else just say yeah i messed up i screwed up i'm an embarrassment to my team i'm going to explain to them why i did it don't say i got pulled out to the dance floor i mean and i was there with my grandkids.

Speaker 12 That's the worst part of it. Just fess up.
You know, once a guy fesses up, we tend to move on.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, it's true.
He hasn't figured that out. All right, Pete, last thing.

Speaker 1 We're four games into the NFL season. Would you like to give us an updated Super Bowl matchup?

Speaker 12 Well, my Super Bowl matchup before the season was Buffalo and Tampa Bay. And I think I'll stick with that for now.
I know Tampa Bay hasn't been playing very well.

Speaker 12 I think Buffalo wins at Kansas City this week. I love what they've done on defense.

Speaker 12 I think the one thing they did was they drafted to knock down Patrick Mahomes because they only sacked him twice in two games last year. Boogie Basham, Russo, that gang, Epinessa.

Speaker 12 I think they're going to get after him. I think the Bills are the best team in the AFC.

Speaker 12 And the Cardinals are playing well, but I think Tampa Bay will get it together and start playing really well in defense.

Speaker 5 Okay, all right. And Russell Wilson, how close is he to an MVP vote from you?

Speaker 12 No, not right now. Damn.

Speaker 1 Kyler Murray is your Russell Wilson MVP. I tell you why.

Speaker 12 Kyler Murray's in the conversation conversation for sure.

Speaker 12 He's having a great year, and that's an interesting team. Will they beat the 49ers this week? That's a good question.

Speaker 1 I say yes.

Speaker 1 We're going to start a memorial, a Russell Wilson memorial, even though he hasn't passed, that will all be in the title, halfway point MVP. So

Speaker 1 Kyler Murray, by week eight, I think, will get our halfway point MVP.

Speaker 12 Well, he got hurt last year, remember? Otherwise, he was in the MVP conversation. And it's for Russell Wilson.

Speaker 12 The problem with that is every year he starts out really fast, and then Pete Carroll takes over and says, Nope, we're going to run the ball more.

Speaker 1 And they ruin him. That's why it's named after him.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I love it. That's a great, hey, give it to him.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 5 All right. Oh, Pete, we have the Roback question.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Roback question.
Put in code PFT. You get 20% off.
We're going to send you a Roback Q-zip.

Speaker 5 What size neck do you have? That looks like pretty big.

Speaker 1 Substantial. 16 and a half.
Yeah. Pete, my robot question is:

Speaker 1 if you were in Urban Meyer's shoes, would you have cupped the ass more?

Speaker 12 I wouldn't have done it.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. You wouldn't have done it? Wow.

Speaker 1 You would have ignored her? Yeah, wow. Okay.
Wow. Better man than Urban.

Speaker 12 What would you two have done?

Speaker 1 No, I mean, I would have gotten on that fucking dance floor.

Speaker 5 Urban's very good at ignoring women when one of their assistant coaches are assaulting.

Speaker 12 Don't you have like two little kids?

Speaker 1 Don't you have a little bit of a hard time? I do.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be at a bar.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be in a bar on a Friday night. That's just actual.
Neither would I. Yeah.
So

Speaker 1 I wouldn't put myself in that situation.

Speaker 12 I know the MD40, whatever you, what was that you used to drink?

Speaker 1 Mad Dog 2020. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Nah, you would have been out.

Speaker 5 No, Mad Dog 2020, you lose all ability to function.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's kind of like a really good way to never get yourself in trouble like that. It's just get too drunk too early.

Speaker 12 So it's like Kwalu in a bottle then.

Speaker 1 There you go. Yep.
Yep. Throw back.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not that I know anything about that or anything.

Speaker 1 Pete, thank you very much. We appreciate you as always.

Speaker 12 All right, guys, anytime.

Speaker 5 All right. See you, Pete.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is our newest co-worker, Jersey Jerry.
It was always Jersey Jerry.

Speaker 1 Jerry, can you introduce yourself and tell everyone quickly your path from where you were to where you are now? And then we'll get to some blue collar. What do we call it? Bring your lunch pail.

Speaker 1 Bring your lunch pail. Yeah.
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 I'm Jersey Jerry. I'm 27.
I've been blue-collar for seven years.

Speaker 3 Union pipe fitter, A55. Until I die, I'm still on the union book.

Speaker 3 But now I work for Barcelona Sports.

Speaker 1 What were you doing before you were blue-collar?

Speaker 3 I was bagging groceries.

Speaker 1 That's still blue-collar. That's still blue-collar.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so I guess maybe a good place to start with this would be: what is your definition of what is and what isn't blue-collar?

Speaker 3 I think anybody who gets up early and goes to work, packs their lunch, and works on their feet and works hard, I think that's blue-collar.

Speaker 1 I love it. I love it.
So

Speaker 1 you're working on gas lines.

Speaker 3 Yep, high-pressure gas lines.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dangerous job.

Speaker 1 Always following the rules. Yep.
Always.

Speaker 5 Safety first.

Speaker 3 Except when the vape comes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to have a vape on you. You've got to keep that thing on you.
But it's great that you're here. Great that you're fighting in Rough and Rowdy.
You're a very funny guy.

Speaker 1 You've been doing some funny stuff for a while now, so this isn't just out of the blue.

Speaker 1 But we thought it would be good to have you on to talk blue collar every couple, you know, once a month or once every six months or six weeks or so, questions from the people.

Speaker 1 Also, for people who are not watching on YouTube, Jersey Jerry, very good-looking guy, got a great chain.

Speaker 1 Is that true? Yeah, seven and a half.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, you know, I made it clear two days ago that I do wear and a hat, but I didn't say it on air. Yeah.
And then I said, let's keep that in the office, you know.

Speaker 7 Such a big cat, such a shamer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, rule number one.

Speaker 5 No, I mean, can you bleep out seven and a half?

Speaker 1 Yes, bleep it out. Bleep it out.
Bleep it out.

Speaker 1 it out. Can you bleep bleep it out?

Speaker 5 Jerry, you breed French bulldogs, too, right? Yep. There it is.
Yeah, let's take a look. You got him on the arm there.

Speaker 5 Do you have any puppies right now or what?

Speaker 3 Yep, I got four. How cute are they? I have two puppies, sorry.

Speaker 1 Two right now.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I love French Bulldogs.

Speaker 5 Beautiful dogs. Great dogs.

Speaker 5 Jersey Jerry.

Speaker 5 Is that blue-collar work breeding French bulldogs?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Sure.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 5 You have to get up early. You work on your feet when you breed the French Bulldogs?

Speaker 1 Of course, yeah.

Speaker 3 You got to regulate regulate their temperatures and everything. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of work.
Hank slammed this word in my face. Dirty work.
He just lololoated my face.

Speaker 1 So he's loling me. All right, so Jerry, very excited.
Let's do some blue-collar talk.

Speaker 3 Now, people submit questions.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You like it? Yeah, it's cool.
It's the fucking best. Also, if you're a Steelers fan, Jersey Jerry is like the number one Steelers fan.

Speaker 1 He's from the famous video, No Dishes, No Nothing. You find me hanging from the ceiling.
He was yelling at his mom. It's a great video.

Speaker 3 Thanks, Big Cam. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm your agent. You know I love you.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Big Cam.

Speaker 1 Although I might not be your agent. I fucked up today.
Whatever. All right, Billy, go ahead.
What?

Speaker 1 That's what you do.

Speaker 1 Fucked up?

Speaker 5 Actually.

Speaker 1 As an agent. Wow.
As an agent. It actually wasn't my fuck-up.
I'm just owning it. It was Jerry's.

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 3 But at the same time,

Speaker 3 you could have said, hey, Jerry, I don't think this is a good idea.

Speaker 1 Well, okay, yeah, you're right. You're right.
But it wasn't. He the fuck up.

Speaker 1 He wanted to trade. Jersey Jerry worked in his contract two pizzas a month.

Speaker 1 He wanted to trade the two pizzas a month to try to get Mike Tyson to walk him out at Rough and Rowdy, and it didn't go well. The negotiation didn't go well.
Nope.

Speaker 5 So, wait, are you negotiating against Big Cat? No, no, I'm his agent. We went and tried to negotiate it, but it was doesn't sound like you're his agent.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I'm not sure if you're a man.

Speaker 5 Hank's facial expressions right now.

Speaker 1 Hank is a fucking scalp. Threw himself.
He's a pot stirrer.

Speaker 1 But we rebounded from that. And we got you the granola bars.
Yeah, I think so. So we did right now.
Alright. Go ahead, Billy.

Speaker 8 PMT gang and Jerry, I need your help. I took a job out of college that promised to give me exposure to multiple parts of my company's business over the course of more than a year.

Speaker 8 I'm three months into the job and I've been working 10 plus hour days starting at 5 a.m. doing the work no one else wants to do.

Speaker 8 In this case, doing manual labor and dealing with foul-smelling products we get back from customers.

Speaker 8 People keep telling me to keep my head down and that the experience will be worth it, but the day-to-day can be completely physically and mentally draining. What advice do you have to get through it?

Speaker 8 Feeling gritty, but frustrated?

Speaker 5 Good question.

Speaker 3 Definitely, definitely a good question.

Speaker 3 You know, the philosophy I have always had, and I always tell my mom this, you know, no matter how bad a day I'm having, no matter what, I believe in blue collar and I believe in the work ethic.

Speaker 3 You know, it took me, I'd say, seven years years of blue collar. Blue collar was never my dream.
Blue collar was just a grind. My dream was to be a star.
My dream was to be Jersey Jerry.

Speaker 3 And it took seven years of blue collar. And look at me now.
I'm at my dream. So this guy must have a dream.
He has to keep grinding. And until then, it might take seven days.

Speaker 3 It might take seven years. It might take 17 years.
But he has to keep grinding. I love it, Jerry.

Speaker 1 That's a great fucking idea. I absolutely love it.

Speaker 5 Do you think that there's so the way he was describing what he does at work, they said you're going to be exposed to all different parts of the company?

Speaker 5 It sounds like that might not be a very easy way to get ahead at the company because you're just floating around and probably doing different departments' dirty work instead of finding your lane and having one department that you work for.

Speaker 5 You make your name at it. Exactly.
It's probably easier to build up the ladder that way.

Speaker 1 Am I wrong?

Speaker 1 I agree. I agree with you.

Speaker 1 You got to basically say, This is now that I've done the, I've seen every part of how it works, pick the one part you actually like and tell your boss that. Good point.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 What's up, fellas? I work as a laborer on a construction crew in New Jersey.

Speaker 1 I like this.

Speaker 1 Sitting up.

Speaker 8 One day before work, I arrived at the site earlier than usual and noticed another car was parked not too far from me.

Speaker 8 As I glance over the car next to me, I see a head pop up from the driver's window. I made direct eye contact with both individuals.
Turns out the security guard from the site was getting a little

Speaker 1 Sopranos.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was

Speaker 1 one of the six.

Speaker 1 I legitimately didn't know that. Finn looked over and saw Vita.
Did that ever happen on the site? No, never mind. Until that day, I was approached by the situation.

Speaker 5 You know how to keep your mouth shut. I like that.

Speaker 8 And it offered tickets to the Yanks game. I had no idea.

Speaker 1 No, no, all right. Stop building my Sopranos.

Speaker 8 I didn't actually see the Sopranos.

Speaker 7 I'm the one that picked the questions. I didn't know that because I haven't fucking watched the Sopranos because BitCat and POT spoiled it for me.

Speaker 1 We didn't know that. What do you think about that, Jerry?

Speaker 7 What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 I didn't see where that question was going.

Speaker 3 But I mean, I've watched the Sopranos, but

Speaker 3 I don't remember that part.

Speaker 1 Are there any no-show jobs?

Speaker 3 What do you mean, no-show jobs?

Speaker 1 Like, there's a guy who shows up at one point. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 You get one of those. And you get us one of those?

Speaker 3 Yeah, but you don't try to talk about that.

Speaker 1 Okay, sorry.

Speaker 5 What about if

Speaker 5 everybody starts picketing outside?

Speaker 5 The bosses ever sent in some thugs to rough you up?

Speaker 3 No, no.

Speaker 3 We run the show, you know, the supervision. You know, if we don't like something, we're gonna stand down, we're not gonna work.

Speaker 3 And then when we don't work, you know, lights and gas, electric, none of that stuff works.

Speaker 3 They know not to mess with us.

Speaker 1 Did you ever have to being in a union? Did you ever have to go stand outside with the big rat?

Speaker 3 Yeah, and it's tough because, like, think about it like this: there's guys that been in this company 35, 45 years. They built a big bankroll.

Speaker 3 They can go on strike for six weeks, six months, and it not affect them.

Speaker 3 But there's a lot of young kids, and it takes balls as a young kid, you know, who doesn't have a big, big bankroll to be without work for, you know, six weeks until we negotiate.

Speaker 1 But that's union life.

Speaker 3 But that's that. Welcome to the union.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 5 And what number are you?

Speaker 3 855 Pipe Fitter.

Speaker 1 855 Pipe Fitter.

Speaker 5 Love it.

Speaker 5 Are you still a member?

Speaker 1 Yes, I will be.

Speaker 1 12 bucks a month. You're not paying the dues?

Speaker 3 17.

Speaker 1 17 bucks, sorry. I want to pay the dues.
Yeah, can you do that?

Speaker 5 Could I join that union right now and just not actually work, but pay them?

Speaker 3 See,

Speaker 3 I don't think that'll work.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've tried. I've tried to just pay for it.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Cat, Hungry Eyes, Honk, and the rest. Sup.
We unioned up over a year ago. Our union hasn't done jack shit for us as workers.
And our dumbasses accepted a four-year contract as our first contract.

Speaker 8 Two guys got

Speaker 8 sending dick pics, pics and only one of them got pushed out. What are we supposed to do?

Speaker 3 Sounds like it's a bubblegum union.

Speaker 1 What's a bubblegum union?

Speaker 3 It's a fraud union. It's a fake union.
Yeah. You know,

Speaker 1 union in name only.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, no. I would love to know what union that is.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, right off the bat, red flags, four-year deal. We don't do those.

Speaker 5 Yeah, what do you guys think of your terms?

Speaker 3 No, we do one or two. Love it.
Because we always want more money. We always want want better benefits.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 And there's a lot of unions that, you know, we need to give up something to get something. Nah.

Speaker 3 We get, we don't give up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 1 Is there a clubhouse that the union hangs out at? Yeah,

Speaker 3 not really a clubhouse, I would say. They do a lot of events.
It's like a tree fort?

Speaker 3 Not so much.

Speaker 3 They have the hall, but nobody really hangs out there.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 5 What kind of events do you do? Do you have a barbecue?

Speaker 3 They have a golf event, barbecue, stuff like that? Christmas party, stuff like that.

Speaker 5 Do you have to bring your own potluck?

Speaker 3 No, everything is paid for. Nice.
Nice. From that, you know, that's part of paying your dues, too.

Speaker 3 These parties they throw, it comes out of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But I would love to know what union they are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that bubblegum union.

Speaker 5 So a four-year deal, that's got to be... That's a pretty sweet gig if you're like the head of that union where you just say, okay, we negotiated this deal.

Speaker 5 Now I don't have to do anything for the next four years.

Speaker 1 Exactly, yeah.

Speaker 5 They need to be working for the workers.

Speaker 3 And you got to be careful with head of unions, man. Those guys

Speaker 3 watch them, you know.

Speaker 5 I heard you paying houses.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know?

Speaker 1 All right, next, Billy.

Speaker 8 Sup, guys, especially Jerry, Bubba, and Liam. My buddy in Sanitation is addicted to getting catfished.
Every day, he shows me more and more important stars that he believes he's sexting with.

Speaker 8 The real problem is that he shows me the sex and in the process shows me all his dick pics. It's not blue collar to go to HR with this issue.
So any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

Speaker 3 Is this.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what to make of this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's just DMing. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know, there's guys that just overshare stuff with you on the job?

Speaker 3 Yeah, like stuff about their life and their marriage and stuff like that. I mean, the divorce rate,

Speaker 3 I don't think you could look this up, but like we've done studies, like people in the union, like higher-ups, the divorce rate for us is like over 70%.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 3 Because guys are working 70, 80 hours a week. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Have you ever met guys in your line of work that maybe were DMing chicks and being like, oh, she might be real? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like, if you're on a construction site, is there any truth to the whole urban legend, the concrete blondes that hang out in and around the site, you know, in case overtime goes a little late?

Speaker 3 It's more of like in the shittier areas.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know, like

Speaker 3 your Pattersons and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 You don't, you, you don't whistle at women when they would.

Speaker 1 You respect women.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I don't cheat or I don't do none of that. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't even know how to whistle.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's fucking terrible.

Speaker 1 The guy.

Speaker 1 He's like Prince Andrew. You can't even sweat.

Speaker 5 Let's do some role-playing real quick. Billy is a hot chick, and he walks past you.
You're wiping the sweat off your brow on a construction site. What do you say to him as he walks past?

Speaker 3 Hey, ma'am. Have a good day.

Speaker 5 That's awesome. I love it.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 5 What a gentleman.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 We need to take back some of these stereotypes

Speaker 5 against construction workers.

Speaker 5 How good does a cold beer taste after like a 12-hour day?

Speaker 1 Well, I don't drink it. Yeah, he doesn't drink.
Jerry just drinks. All right.
How good do you think it was? As his agent,

Speaker 1 we plead the fifth on that question. Okay.
You don't have to answer these.

Speaker 5 How good does an ice-cold Coca-Cola taste?

Speaker 1 See, that's the ball.

Speaker 3 I'll tell you what, it hits a little different when it's in the glass.

Speaker 1 It does in a glass. A couple of Cheez-Its? Yeah.
Cool fat. The Mexican Coke.
Yes. Yes.
All right. Go ahead, Billy.

Speaker 8 Hello, white-collar cat, PFT, Hank, and the boys. Question for Jersey Jerry.
I may have been a safety manager at a steel fabrication plant.

Speaker 8 The other day, I might have had a guy lose his finger on the job. Oh,

Speaker 8 he may have approached me carrying his detached finger and asked me what he should do. Jerry, what would you do in that situation if you were the worker without a finger?

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 8 Attempting to avoid potential litigation.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, we've had incidents like that. There's a guy I work with.
His name is

Speaker 3 Pete D. I won't say the last name, but that's actually happened.
Bringing the bed down, the finger, he got caught. You know the stuff that you dump, like concrete and stuff like that?

Speaker 3 They were bringing it down and his hand was there, sliced his finger right off.

Speaker 3 And he brought it to get reattached, brought it like in hand to the hospital, but that doesn't get reattached. No.

Speaker 1 it's done. No, it was over.
So

Speaker 1 he's got a half a digit.

Speaker 3 You got a finger like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then

Speaker 1 does he get paid out? Disability? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 How much do you think one finger is worth?

Speaker 3 Good question. It goes by body parts.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 3 So it goes by a finger, it's like one of the least amount of money you can get.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's a thumb, though.

Speaker 3 That's probably a lot. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
So

Speaker 1 let's just role play here. If Big Ben was a union worker, how much money would he get disability? Millions?

Speaker 3 Body's beat up, bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, know,

Speaker 1 hips.

Speaker 1 Nose. Neck.
Elbow.

Speaker 1 Elbows.

Speaker 5 Foot. Yeah.
Both feet.

Speaker 1 Ankles. Knees.
Knees.

Speaker 1 Sole.

Speaker 1 Shins.

Speaker 3 Multi-millions.

Speaker 1 Multi-millions. Yeah.

Speaker 1 His body is broken. Broken, man.
It's broken.

Speaker 8 What's up, boys? I've been an electrician for about four years now, and during my first year, about lunchtime,

Speaker 8 on this day, I got out of my car and seen a trail of blood. And I wanted to see what was going on.
Come to find out, a man actually cut off half his leg due to a circular saw.

Speaker 8 I wasn't sure what to do. I did not want to have everyone look at me because I didn't want to be known as the guy who can fix everything, including a guy's leg actually hanging on by the skin.

Speaker 8 Any thoughts on what I should have done? Medics eventually came, and I never heard about the guy again. I'm sure Billy would know what I should have done.

Speaker 8 This guy had terrible grammar.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, you know, in the union, we believe in, you know, brotherhood, and, you know, that's your dying brother right there. And you're just going to leave him to die like that.

Speaker 3 I would have picked up the leg.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And done what?

Speaker 1 Called for help. Yeah.
Picked it up and just maybe waved it over your head like, help, help, help. Found an ice machine.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Stick it in there.

Speaker 1 Just kind of just jam it back in the socket. Something.
It sounds like this guy didn't do anything. Yeah, it sounds like he panicked and just froze up.

Speaker 3 What do you say? Four years on the job? Come on. You know, four years, these people become become your family.

Speaker 5 First year on the job.

Speaker 5 What's the worst injury that you've ever seen on a site?

Speaker 3 Electrocution.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's tough.

Speaker 3 Jackhammer in

Speaker 3 the ground, through the concrete, and he hit

Speaker 3 Underground Electric.

Speaker 1 It's bad.

Speaker 3 He's paid off now. Never work again.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 5 He survived. He survived.
He survived.

Speaker 1 I was waiting for you to get away.

Speaker 3 Burns throughout his whole arm and chest.

Speaker 1 Backside of his neck.

Speaker 5 What about that old urban legend?

Speaker 5 Or maybe it's a real story about the guy that was like working up on the 10th floor and then he fell off, but he had a thing of sheet metal that he held onto with both his hands and he glided down to the earth.

Speaker 5 Is that real?

Speaker 3 I think that's fake.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 he's done. All right, last one, Billy.

Speaker 5 Blue collar.

Speaker 8 Jare, nothing worse than a new Porter John on the job site. 645, hung over his shit, head in my hands, dropping a hammer.
I made a bird's nest, but I think it sunk.

Speaker 8 Caught some splash back, ended up with walking out with a blue chin.

Speaker 1 What is this?

Speaker 8 That's all he said. All right.

Speaker 3 Jerry. Yeah, I mean, a brand new Porter John, nothing inside of it.
You know, at least if it's used for quite some time, you got toilet paper in there, you got feces,

Speaker 3 you're going to get no splashback, right?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 I didn't. So the new Porta John, you'd think would be great, but it's not.
No. So you get the blue splash back.
You get the splash back. So what do you do to mitigate that?

Speaker 3 I just ball up toilet paper and just keep throwing it in there and throwing it in there, fill it up, break it in a little bit.

Speaker 1 Break it in,

Speaker 5 like a catcher's mitt.

Speaker 1 Fill the whole thing up. Exactly.
What other little quirk like about the job site that us white-collar guys don't understand?

Speaker 3 The foreman pays for lunch on Fridays.

Speaker 1 Every Friday? Yeah. Fuck yes.
How many guys is that for?

Speaker 3 Usually we have a crew of four or five people.

Speaker 5 I love it. What's the standard lunch order?

Speaker 3 Whatever we wanted,

Speaker 1 from

Speaker 3 steak sandwich to McDonald's, don't matter.

Speaker 1 Now, the best, the best, like it is the best to go get the lunch, right? Be the guy who's going to get the lunch because that means you don't have to work for it.

Speaker 3 The most junior guy always goes.

Speaker 1 But that's almost better, right?

Speaker 3 Sometimes we like the junior guy to get away and go.

Speaker 1 Ah, because he doesn't know how to talk with the guys. Yeah.
He asks too many questions.

Speaker 3 Yeah, plus, you know what I mean? I'll tell you what, for me, it was tough for, you know, a year and a half, two years. It was tough to get, you know, used to the type of people these people are.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean? It's not like you go there and if you're a cool, funny guy, you're like this with them. No, they need to trust you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they need to see that you work hard. Exactly.

Speaker 3 And then, then, after you prove yourself, then people start asking, Hey, I want this guy on my crew. I want him on my crew.

Speaker 1 So, were you a coveted guy?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'd say so.

Speaker 5 What was your moment that you knew that you were in?

Speaker 3 I had a buddy now. We call him OT Tommy.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 one of the highest guys in our shop. And this guy,

Speaker 3 he's one of the youngest foremen there, but he's feisty. He don't take shit from nobody.
And he wouldn't talk to me for a long time.

Speaker 3 And then all of a sudden, one day, he's like, yo, you're on my crew. And I'm like, oh, you sure? Because they didn't put me with you on the paper.
He says, no, I said you're on my crew.

Speaker 3 So I said, okay. And he's only like two, three years older than me.

Speaker 3 So I'm like, all right, no problem. I went on Tommy's crew.

Speaker 5 I never left his crew.

Speaker 1 Oh, hell yes. And he just had your back?

Speaker 3 Got my back, whatever. I'm going to his wedding Saturday.

Speaker 1 Oh, but congrats to OT Tommy.

Speaker 1 Probably going to be a beautiful wedding with all the OT. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Nice, like, unlimited.

Speaker 1 Lobster, everything.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. You know, there's a lot, a lot of, you know, I can't say much about the time, but let's just say,

Speaker 3 and when you're union,

Speaker 3 you could be home still getting paid.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay, I like that. So, that's what we need.
You need to get us to the house.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I like how you called her shop, too. Can we call, like, is this room when we do part of my tickets?

Speaker 3 A shop? It could be a shop.

Speaker 5 All right, yeah, when you're in here doing blue-collar bring your lunch pail Wednesday, I might be the shop steward now.

Speaker 1 Shop steward, yeah. Yeah, go get us lunch.
No, kind of. No, no, he's not juicy.
No, no, yeah, that's Billy, Billy's job. He always gets us lunch.

Speaker 5 He's we make him clock out, though, when he does it. Yeah, yeah, he gets us lunch every time.
Sometimes he forgets to clock in. Yeah, we make that money back.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you know what I'm talking about, Jerry.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm talking about. No, L Ag goes.

Speaker 1 All right, Jerry, would you like to pick a number?

Speaker 1 We do. We guess numbers.
One to a hundred. And then we end the show.

Speaker 3 Go ahead. Just one number? Yeah.
21.

Speaker 1 21. All right.
I'm going to go 97.

Speaker 7 99. 6.

Speaker 8 69.

Speaker 1 18. 18.
8.

Speaker 7 Telemass.

Speaker 1 6.

Speaker 5 Jerry. If you get this,

Speaker 1 it'd be the greatest moment in history.

Speaker 1 16.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's pretty close. Close.

Speaker 5 Five away. Five.

Speaker 1 Now we can always do one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And what happens if you win it?

Speaker 1 You just get satisfaction. You want us to do one more? Sure.
All right, okay. Save numbers.
This doesn't count. This doesn't count, but it counts for Jerry and Jerry only.
We're going to go.

Speaker 1 Jerry, go ahead. Guess what? Only Jerry one.
Only Jerry gets this one. This doesn't count for the record.
Let's just see if Jerry can get it.

Speaker 1 Ah, Amy. That's what I was going to say.
You want to go one more?

Speaker 1 Be here all day.

Speaker 1 One more. All right.
One more. Twenty or more.
Just one more.

Speaker 1 All right, all right.

Speaker 3 Like the family feud thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just keep going.

Speaker 1 Ah, 89.

Speaker 1 Not so close.

Speaker 1 That's pretty cool, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like that. Love you guys.

Speaker 1 I don't know what I'm about to say of stage anyways.

Speaker 1 Today's a military to find you shine away.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'll be coming for your love of tree.

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