Barry Alvarez, Big Wave Surfer Garrett McNamara And NFL Week 3 Preview

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Speaker 4 On today's part of my take, we have a two-fur

Speaker 4 for the people. For the folks, we have a former Wisconsin head coach and AD Hall of Famer college football guy.
What is he? Director of football?

Speaker 5 He's director of football. Yeah, his job is to observe and notate football.

Speaker 4 Yes, it is Barry Alvarez. Awesome interview with him.
And then we have something a little different. Garrett McNamara, who, if you haven't seen the documentary on

Speaker 4 HBO Max, incredible. He is.

Speaker 6 100-foot wave.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he is a big wave surfer. He's surfed the biggest wave in the world.

Speaker 4 I would say that he's the baddest ass guy we've ever had on the show.

Speaker 7 He also like created the wave.

Speaker 8 Yes.

Speaker 5 And also a moment that took my breath away in that interview.

Speaker 4 I can't remember.

Speaker 5 Give me a hint. When he said

Speaker 5 a certain

Speaker 4 thing that he can't do. Yes, think Vaughn Miller.

Speaker 4 So great show. Great show.
We got a preview, weekend preview. We got our picks.
We talk about each game, getting you ready for this weekend of football, Fire Fest of the Week, Fantasy Fuckboy.

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Speaker 4 and turns out Davis Mills, not so good.

Speaker 5 Well, Davis Mills, he's a tough kid.

Speaker 4 You guys think he's a tough kid, big cat.

Speaker 5 Davis Mills is a tough kid. There's a lot of stuff that I'm sure Davis Mills is really, really good at.
Scarf modeling, feeding vampires.

Speaker 5 He can reach the most succulent leaves and berries. Yep.
But playing NFL quarterback isn't one of of them.

Speaker 4 We got so hyped up for Mills Mafia. You heard it on Sunday night when we stumbled upon Mills Mafia, and then we got ourselves excited.
We worked ourselves into a lather. We bet on the Texans.

Speaker 5 I saw that neck. I saw the neck pregame, and I felt very confident.

Speaker 4 And he got choked out by David Cully not actually. Also, shout out David Culley.
He is everything we said about Dan Campbell just like throwing analytics out.

Speaker 4 David Cully is doing that to the max, where he took the old not go for it on fourth down, take a penalty to get more room to punt.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you like to give the punter a little bit more room to work with on the back end of it. David Cully loves punting more than anything.
And you know what?

Speaker 5 A lot of people are like, he's making the wrong decisions. I just, if you're going to have a team that's not going to be good, I would at least like your coach to have a thing.

Speaker 5 And his thing is he loves punting like Andy Reid loves timeouts. Yes.
David Culley, he would punt on defense if he could.

Speaker 4 He's the David Shaw of the NFL.

Speaker 4 I think think that this game actually showed us that Tarrod Taylor is probably more valuable than we gave him credit for because the Texans did not look good.

Speaker 5 No, they did not.

Speaker 6 They did not look good.

Speaker 5 No, I think Tarrod Taylor is a fine quarterback. Yes.
He's fine.

Speaker 8 A professional quarterback.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 do we

Speaker 5 is it time for us to have the conversation, though?

Speaker 4 My eyes?

Speaker 4 What I've been looking at?

Speaker 5 Oh. I'm just saying, is Thursday night football bad for football?

Speaker 4 Oh.

Speaker 5 It's been a couple weeks now. We haven't had that conversation yet.
Christian McCaffrey got hurt.

Speaker 4 The first game to go under in primetime games this season. So we break that streak.
It was not a great game. You're right.
Christian McCaffrey gets hurt. I was going to say,

Speaker 4 on Sunday, I said I had my eyes on the Panthers. Now, the Texans are not a good team, but 3-0 is 3-0.
You don't apologize for 3-0.

Speaker 4 Are the Panthers maybe good?

Speaker 5 However, Stephen A. Smith voice, they did lose McCaffrey, and they lost Horn, their first-round pitch.
He's quarterback. They look like an Achilles.

Speaker 5 So I don't know. Pro football doc, what do you have to say about Christian McCaffrey?

Speaker 11 You just pulled up on it. Saw you want to pull it a little more.

Speaker 5 So it's minor, is what you're saying.

Speaker 11 He wanted to go home to chill with his girlfriend.

Speaker 4 Okay. Got it.

Speaker 4 I'm going to say something right now that's crazy. You guys ready to get fucking crazy?

Speaker 5 You're going to say that the Panthers are going to make the playoffs.

Speaker 4 No, crazier. Panthers plus 500 to win the NFC South.

Speaker 4 Bucks are old. You're crazy.
The Bucks are old. You are crazy.
You're old. You're crazy.
The Bucks are old.

Speaker 5 You're a crazy man.

Speaker 4 That is a crazy thing to say, but I'm just saying it because sometimes you just got to say crazy shit.

Speaker 5 No, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 It is. It's very crazy.
I said it was crazy.

Speaker 5 It's almost wild.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 I don't know. Something about this team.
I'm falling in love with the Panthers. I like Matt Rule.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I like him.
He seems like

Speaker 5 a jolly guy.

Speaker 4 And he's got the Vincent D'Onofrio thing going, where every time you see him, you think that he's going to be sitting on a toilet and putting a shotgun in his mouth.

Speaker 4 And it's kind of, you know, full metal jacket.

Speaker 5 That's always a nice thing to see.

Speaker 4 Yeah, just a visual to have. And Sam Darnold is now on screen.

Speaker 4 Sam Darnold does have a huge forehead.

Speaker 4 Yeah. But good for Sam Darnold.

Speaker 6 Sam Darnold needs Davis Mills' neck.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 That's what he needs.

Speaker 4 I'm a little upset about Sam Darnold. Like,

Speaker 4 in a controlled experiment, it would have been nice to see if Sam Darnold got better because he got rid of Adam Gace or got better because he got rid of the Jets.

Speaker 5 I think both. It's just a complete change of environment.

Speaker 4 But it would be nice to, it would have been nice to have like Adam Gase coach him at the Panthers for a year and then have him go somewhere else. So we can really...

Speaker 5 We can put our finger on what the issue is.

Speaker 4 We can isolate what the sickness is here.

Speaker 5 Well, I think maybe Adam Gace isn't awful if he's not with the Jets. Yeah, right.
So I think maybe the Jets. Very confusing.
I think the Jets just brought Adam Gace down to Adam Gase's true level.

Speaker 4 Right, right. So, yeah, I mean, well, Sam Darnold, good job.
Good start for Sam Donald.

Speaker 4 Reclamation Project.

Speaker 4 He just looks happier.

Speaker 5 He looks like, you know, you release a killer whale into the wild and their dorsal fin stand straight up. Yes.
He's got better posture. He's smiling.
He laid a block out there, or he tried to.

Speaker 4 He fumbled a couple times, didn't lose him, so it doesn't count. What were you going to say, Billy?

Speaker 11 I think he didn't look that much better than he was on the Jets without McCaffrey.

Speaker 4 Well, he's playing winning football now.

Speaker 5 He's learned to manage the game. Yes.
It's tough to manage a game if you're a New York Jets quarterback. Yeah.
Because what game really are you managing?

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 even if you say he doesn't look that much better, I I mean, he definitely, he was, I think he had 300 yards tonight.

Speaker 4 And he also, like, if you just watch Sam Darnold and he's running a ball into the end zone while his team is leading, that alone is like, whoa, Sam Darnold.

Speaker 5 He made some NFL throws tonight, too. There it is.
Some NFL throws. He hit a couple deep outs and some passes that you don't necessarily think that Sam Darnold would be synonymous with.

Speaker 5 But no, he's finding DJ Moore downfield. As Hank pointed out, he hit DJ Moore in the hands.
Should have caught it, right, Hank?

Speaker 4 Should have caught it. Yep.

Speaker 4 If you you can touch it you can catch it if you touch it you can catch it um all right so that's thursday night football we got to address one other thing so uh i'm gonna count this as us being not fully understanding youtube and also

Speaker 4 uh our audience is very funny and troll-ish uh but we did the subathon for the first half we gained 10 000 subscribers to the youtube we were 5 000 away 4 000 away from pft showing off his non-freak eyes we stopped it at half because we always were going to stop it at half.

Speaker 4 Turns out you're supposed to do a sub-athon for longer.

Speaker 4 And also, people trolled us and unsubbed afterwards.

Speaker 5 Well, what happened during the actual sub-a-thon,

Speaker 5 we said, wouldn't it be funny if like some people started to unsubscribe? And then a couple people did. And then Big Cat was like, this is so subscribed.
It was funny.

Speaker 4 It was. It was.

Speaker 5 And then I think we lost about 2,000 subscribers. Listen.
But then the subscribers went right back up. You were fucking with us in the audience.

Speaker 4 Yes. Yes.
It's funny.

Speaker 4 Our audience is very funny, and it was a very funny moment. I was laughing very hard, but here's the deal.

Speaker 4 So, first sub-athon,

Speaker 4 hand up, didn't do it correctly, fully correctly.

Speaker 5 It was a scrimmage.

Speaker 6 It was a scrimmage sub-a-thon.

Speaker 5 It was pre-season for the sub-a-thon, too.

Speaker 4 Next Thursday, it's Jaguars-Bengals. We are going to do a sub-athon.
We are not going to stop until we hit 300,000, and PFT is going to show us eyes. That's what we're going to do.

Speaker 5 I can think of no better game to show these baby blues off than at the end of the Jaguars-Bengals game. Yes.

Speaker 5 And sometimes I feel like Roger Dell is just fucking with us just to be like, I wonder how much shit these idiots will eat.

Speaker 5 And so he just tries to come up with the worst possible matchups. And he's like, oh, oh, you tuned in for the Panthers, Texans? Well, guess what, bitch? Yep.

Speaker 5 We got the Bengals and the Jaguars next week.

Speaker 4 Bengals and the Jaguars. So Billy is going to eat a hot dog for every score on next Thursday's sub-a-thon.

Speaker 5 That includes touchdowns and extra points. Those are two separate scores.

Speaker 4 Billy.

Speaker 5 And field goals and safeties.

Speaker 8 Yep.

Speaker 4 You weren't listening.

Speaker 4 He wasn't listening, but he agreed.

Speaker 4 I actually was trying to defend you there, Billy. You weren't listening, and you agreed to it.
I can't help you now. I agreed to the extra points.
Yeah, I thought.

Speaker 4 God damn it. Yeah, I tried to give you a second beat there to be like, Billy,

Speaker 5 if only there was a way you could have avoided agreeing to that, Billy.

Speaker 11 Yeah, but two-point conversion, I'll eat another one.

Speaker 5 No, you already agreed to the extra point. Yeah.

Speaker 4 No. You did.
You just did. It was literally on air.
So

Speaker 4 it's done. It happened.

Speaker 4 But yes, we will, next Thursday will be the sub-a-thon drive for 300,000. Please subscribe anyway right now.

Speaker 4 It would be nice if all those people that trolled us and unsubscribed after we finished could resubscribe right now so that we can get a little closer and feel like we're doing something.

Speaker 5 We got a lot of good stuff that's coming with some exclusive stuff that we put out. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Some exclusive stuff.

Speaker 4 And so please sub. Please subscribe.

Speaker 4 And we were going to do it next Thursday. Literally, we will just sit in in here till, which, again, I feel like I'm setting this up because they're going to troll us with that.

Speaker 5 But once we get to 300, that's over.

Speaker 4 Once we kiss the wall,

Speaker 5 it's over. I don't want to say I don't care if people unsubscribe after 300.

Speaker 4 No, don't say that. Don't say that.

Speaker 5 I'm not going to. Okay, good.

Speaker 4 You almost did.

Speaker 5 But once it hits 3,000, they're coming out.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Pew City.
All right, let's get to the rest of the games and the weekend, and then we'll get to Barry Alvarez and Garrett McNamara.

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Speaker 4 Okay,

Speaker 4 weekend preview, picks, talking about each game. I just want to say something beforehand, though.

Speaker 4 I had this thought last night,

Speaker 4 this weekend of football, for me personally,

Speaker 4 a lot of my happiness in life is on the line. Wisconsin at Notre Dame will be there.
College football show, come out and see us. And then Justin Fields first start.

Speaker 4 I I realize that if this weekend could either be incredible, Cloud 9, Sunday night, I'm the happiest boy in the world, or it could be a disaster. It could be a total, total disaster.

Speaker 4 I guess that's the fun of the game.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you got to pray for a split going into this weekend. You can't get greedy.
You can't get greedy and ask for both things.

Speaker 4 I'm hoping for everything.

Speaker 5 If you get both things,

Speaker 5 yeah, you're going to be on Cloud 9. You're going to be tough to deal with.

Speaker 5 If you go 0 for 2, you're going to be even harder to deal with.

Speaker 5 If you go one-on-one, I think that's fair because we get the medium of people that tune in to listen to Suicidal Big Cat and then also you just being in an overall decent mood.

Speaker 4 Okay, so I just, it's just a lot. A lot is on the line for me.
It's a lot this early in the season.

Speaker 8 I don't really, you know, it's a lot.

Speaker 7 If one of those games was going to go well, which would you prefer?

Speaker 4 Well, Justin Fields is a longer-term thing, so I think that I could probably handle Justin Fields not being like incredible and being like, well, he's a rookie and he's dealing with it.

Speaker 4 Whereas Wisconsin, it's, you know, if they lose that game, then pretty much everything is over. You can't lose that season.
You can't lose Notre Dame. No, it's not over already, Hank.

Speaker 4 It's chaos this year. We already said that.
It's going to be a team with two losses that gets into the.

Speaker 5 We already said that you would leapfrog Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 Yeah, right. So I think you can compartmentalize and understand if Justin Fields doesn't look great, which I actually don't expect him to look incredible.
He's a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 5 Well, he's not even a starter. So it's

Speaker 4 right now.

Speaker 4 No, he is right now because Andy Dalton's not healthy. As soon as Andy Dalton's healthy, he's back in.
But I,

Speaker 4 yeah, I hope it all goes well. I just, it's always fun going into a weekend and being like, wow, so my happiness for the next month is pretty much dictated on this weekend of football.

Speaker 4 That's what being a fan is. That's caring too much.

Speaker 4 All right, let's do some picks. Let's do some picks.
Let's talk about the games. Good slate of games.

Speaker 4 Good prime time games, by the way.

Speaker 4 I guess this would be time traveling. But as we're recording this, it's after Thursday night football, or sorry, before Thursday night football.
Primetime games are 6-0 to the over right now.

Speaker 4 So that also helps with why they've been awesome. Hopefully, that trend continues.

Speaker 4 Hank, would you like to start us off with your favorite favorite of the weekend, and we'll discuss the games?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'd just like to say records update: I'm 7-1 on the year. So,

Speaker 4 you can give us the full?

Speaker 13 Yeah, so congrats to Big Cat and Hank, both 4-0 last week.

Speaker 4 You want to mention that, Hank?

Speaker 7 I was going to, you cut me off. Okay, sorry.

Speaker 4 Go ahead, Hank. You want to congratulate me?

Speaker 7 Congratulations.

Speaker 4 Congratulations to you.

Speaker 13 To both of us. So, Hank, 7-1, Big Cat 6-2.
PFT 5-3. Billy, 4-4.
Me, 3-5. Liam 2-6.

Speaker 4 Everyone's separated by one game.

Speaker 13 Right now, it would be you and Liam.

Speaker 4 Fuck. Okay.
In first place?

Speaker 4 I would probably just... No, I'd be second place, and Liam would be last place.
Oh, you and Liam on the second place. Liam would probably

Speaker 4 stop in a rest stop in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 14 That would not be the funnel.

Speaker 4 And I would back up, and he would just be behind the car, and I'd run over him. That would be best case scenario.
Yeah. No, you just sleep the whole time.
I'd just drive through it.

Speaker 4 All right. So that's what it is right now, Bubba.
We could make that work. All right, Hank, favorite, favorite.

Speaker 7 Also, my hunger dog parlay hit 820. I'll have another one this week.
I do love the money lines. I'm a plus sign hunter.
So my favorite is always my hardest pick to make.

Speaker 7 So I'm going with the Patriots.

Speaker 4 I was talking to Hank beforehand. He actually has hacked the system because when you bet

Speaker 4 underdogs on the money line, it's a lifestyle. And you lose

Speaker 4 making a bet. No one really is like, that was a bad pick because it's a risky pick.

Speaker 5 No, Hank's playing the value. And so really, the spin zone that he can put on it is he's the only one that had the balls to make that wrong pick.

Speaker 4 Right. No one's like, oh, man, how could you pick that plus 300 underdog? They just kind of forget it.
But then when it hits, it hits extra.

Speaker 4 And it's like, oh, my God, how did you have that plus 300 underdog? So he has found a way to never lose.

Speaker 5 It's like if you die in a bungee jumping accident, it's like that guy had balls. You know, every man dies, not every man truly lives.

Speaker 4 Yes, that is mostly what people say when people die in bungee jumps. That guy was a fucking idiot.

Speaker 4 All right, so the Patriots.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 let's talk about this game. The Patriots Saints.

Speaker 6 Two and a half against the Saints.

Speaker 4 Two and a half.

Speaker 7 If I had, I will be, I'm assuming we can make this.

Speaker 7 There will be this prop in the Barcelona Sportsbook, put Jameis Winston over two inner one and a half interceptions.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 5 I've got some stats here because one thing we don't really talk about when it comes to rookie quarterbacks and Bill Belichick

Speaker 5 is his rookie quarterbacks against Sean Payton teams.

Speaker 5 Well, just in general, Sean Payton's Saints are 14 and 5 against rookie quarterbacks, which is a better record than Bill Belichick against a rookie quarterback. Interesting.
So there's that.

Speaker 5 This game's not home.

Speaker 8 Oh, no, never mind.

Speaker 4 It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 No, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 On average, rookies against Sean Payton throw for 206 yards and complete only 55%

Speaker 4 of their passes. I also, I'm a little nervous about, I actually don't hate the pick just because the Saints, where are the Saints right now? Where are they? Where have they been? Jacksonville.

Speaker 5 They're traveling all over.

Speaker 4 Yeah, like they're not home. They have not been home.

Speaker 5 They're nomadic.

Speaker 4 And that's got to suck.

Speaker 4 No matter, you know, if you're a professional athlete, if you're, you know, working, traveling for business, if you're anything, when you don't get to sleep in your own bed for a month, that sucks.

Speaker 5 This is a Bill Parcellus smiling down from Heaven game, watching two of his best proteges go out each other. R.I.P.
R.I.P. Bill Parcellus.
Yes.

Speaker 5 Also, I could definitely see Sean Payton just trolling the fuck out of Belichick during this game. He loves to troll as head coach, and he's going to give the ball to Taysom Hill.

Speaker 5 I guarantee you, Taysom Hill.

Speaker 6 Is that really a troll?

Speaker 5 When he's using it against Bill Belichick, yes.

Speaker 4 Because he does it all the time.

Speaker 5 Sometimes he trolls us as fans of Jameis Winston by doing it. But

Speaker 5 I think Taysom's going to be

Speaker 5 a big part in this game plan.

Speaker 4 Very important game for the believers of Jameis Winston and his Hall of Fame career. I think he needs to have a bounce back here.

Speaker 4 And if he doesn't, they play the Giants next week, so we can just move on and just pretend it didn't happen.

Speaker 13 They're in Fort Worth. They're returning to New Orleans after this weekend's game.

Speaker 4 Like, that's crazy. They've been everywhere.

Speaker 6 So it's got to suck.

Speaker 4 It just has to suck on a human element, human level. It has to suck to be traveling and not be home.

Speaker 4 Bubba.

Speaker 14 I'm taking Chiefs minus six and a half for my favorite. Okay.

Speaker 4 Just like a don't overthink it type of pick. I like it.
That's also my pick. I also forgot to say the stat.
Oh, Hank just gave us the face.

Speaker 4 The stat going into this week, for anyone who is looking at the board, teams that are 0-2 against the spread going into week three.

Speaker 4 The last five seasons, they're they're 68% against the spread in week three. The last 11 seasons, they're 60% against the spread in week three.
That was why I took it.

Speaker 4 The teams that fall under that category are the Jets, the Chiefs, the Jaguars, the Washington football team, and the Falcons. So those five teams are 0-2 against the spread going into week three.

Speaker 4 I also am just playing the Chiefs because I think the Chargers...

Speaker 4 Like, it dawned on me watching that Chargers Cowboys game.

Speaker 4 You know how you can watch a game and say, well, if this goes a little different and if the penalties don't happen, maybe the Chargers just aren't good in the red zone because that's two games now where they've just been terrible in the red zone.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but you can usually figure it out in the red zone. It might take time to click, and they've got really good wide receivers.

Speaker 4 Here's something that makes you sound smart. You can't beat the Chiefs with field goals.

Speaker 5 You can't. You got to go for it.

Speaker 4 You got to go for it.

Speaker 5 You got to score touchdowns when you get in the red zone. Three points isn't going to win this game.

Speaker 5 You got to outscore Patrick Mahomes if you want to beat him. They're the only team that that's true for.
Yes. But I don't like the pick.
In In fact, I like the Chargers' money line in this game. Okay.

Speaker 5 But this is, again, just me doubling, tripling down on my preseason take that the Chargers are going to be one of the best teams in the NFL.

Speaker 4 Okay, so your favorite.

Speaker 5 Yeah, my favorite is going to be the Steelers. I'm taking the Steelers minus three.
Now, the caveat on this is if, and it's a big if, if Big Ben plays. So he's injured.
No, he's lost in.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 6 that's not how this works.

Speaker 5 No, Big Cat. I'm saying, like, if Big Ben right now is dealing with a severe pectoral injury that he might not walk ever again and is killed

Speaker 5 lesser men. So, if he somehow wills himself to drag his body, his lifeless corpse out onto the field,

Speaker 5 I think that he's going to win this game. And I think that he looks across the field at Joe Burrow coming back from the knee surgery.

Speaker 5 And Big Ben truly believes if he's able to beat Joe Burrow, then Big Ben is now the front runner for Comeback Player of the Year, the one award that's eluded him after all these years.

Speaker 4 It really is incredible that I... In my head, I'm like, Big Ben having an injury, whether real or make-believe, probably make-believe, is what will get him back to prime Big Ben.

Speaker 5 Absolutely. He's throwing for four touchdowns.

Speaker 4 He just needs the announcers to say, this guy's tough.

Speaker 5 Yep, and they're bringing out the old graphic that they used to use on Fox where it illuminates every part of his body and all the injuries that he's had over the year. You can mark my words.

Speaker 5 Just lights it up like a Christmas tree. They're going to list Big Ben's injury history, and they're going to get to add in like a yellow font the new one, the left pectoral.

Speaker 4 Yep. All right.
So I also have

Speaker 4 the Chiefs.

Speaker 15 Billy, your your favorite favorite?

Speaker 11 I have the Patriots.

Speaker 4 Okay, great.

Speaker 4 Yeah, okay, great. So we talked about that game.
Jake,

Speaker 13 Bill's minus 7.5. Sorry, PFT, against the Washington football team.

Speaker 4 I think it's a route.

Speaker 5 That's fair. In fact, 7.5, that's right on the borderline because it's a measuring stick game.
Would you say that's a Vegas zone? It's a Vegas zone. It's a measuring stick game for the football team.

Speaker 5 So if they're able to lose

Speaker 5 by just one score, I think that's kind of a win for the Washington football team. You know what I'd like to see?

Speaker 4 I'd like to see the Washington football team's defense play well. I would love to see not played well.

Speaker 5 I would love to see that. I would love to see the defensive line show up for this game.

Speaker 6 That would be great.

Speaker 4 It's very bizarre because going into the season,

Speaker 4 the Washington football team, if their defense is not good this year, it will lose me so much money until like maybe halfway through the season where I'm like, hey, maybe they're not that good this year.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, because I look at the personnel and it's the same. Right.
And then you look at the defensive coordinator, Jack DeRio, that's the same too.

Speaker 5 And if anything, they've gotten better and more talented.

Speaker 4 Older, stronger.

Speaker 5 With Landon Collins, and then obviously Davis, the first-round pick. So you would expect that they'd figure it out at some point.
Yes. And I don't know if this is a coaching point or whatever.

Speaker 5 I've noticed that Chase Young, he might be the slowest player in the NFL to get down into his three-point stance. Sometimes he doesn't even get there.
Like he's on his way down when the ball snapped.

Speaker 5 He stands like upright until the very last second. I don't know if that's something that's being coached to him.

Speaker 4 I think he's just trying to fuck him up.

Speaker 5 Just by standing up.

Speaker 4 You don't know where he's going to come. He's through the Amoeba defense.
Yes, by himself.

Speaker 4 himself i uh i also have another fun stat here this one is about taylor heineke through his first three nfl starts as a quarterback heineke has completed 93 passes in three games that is more than anyone in the history of the nfl wow i i thought scott turner's uh comments on taylor heineke were actually like great and people probably didn't pay attention to it because he basically said like A guy is undrafted, so we just consider him an undrafted guy forever.

Speaker 4 And anytime, like he could have five good games in a row, and then if he has one bad game, it's like, well, he's undrafted. He stinks.
And it's like, well, maybe he doesn't stink.

Speaker 4 Maybe he's actually a pretty good quarterback. And we just use the tags that we've always used, which we do on this show with first rounders

Speaker 4 forever. So maybe Taylor Heineke is good.

Speaker 5 It's the opposite of Davis Mills, where he was the number one ranked quarterback coming out of high school. Or the Kevin White.
Yeah, and so he will be good. He will revert to that form at some point.

Speaker 5 But no, I think Taylor Heineke, he's a fuckboy. He's good.

Speaker 5 He's actually good.

Speaker 4 Lose the headband, though. Lose the headband.
I just don't think it works. Just for Rares.
Just for Rares. Just for him, I don't think it works.
And Zach Wilson because he doesn't win.

Speaker 4 Hank, your favorite underdog.

Speaker 7 A lot of underdogs I like this week.

Speaker 7 For this one, I'm going with the Dolphins.

Speaker 4 Okay, so the Dolphins at the Raiders.

Speaker 5 That is sick, Hank.

Speaker 4 The Dolphins of the Raiders pick them. I also am taking the Dolphins.
Let's go. That is also my pick.
Dolphins, the Raiders.

Speaker 4 Well, here's my reasoning. I don't know what Hank's reasoning is other than the plus sign.

Speaker 4 Is that the reasoning?

Speaker 4 Pretty much. Yeah, so my reasoning is the Raiders

Speaker 7 are the most fraudulent 2-0.

Speaker 4 Well, great start, 2-0. Everyone's giving them their flowers.

Speaker 4 I don't know if they're that good. I think they're okay.
They're not that good. And then the Dolphins...

Speaker 4 Like, Tua gets injured. So we're automatically saying, well, they lost their starting quarterback.
Something similar is going on with the Colts this week.

Speaker 4 Is Jacoby Brissette that much of a step down from Tua? No, he's not. Yeah, I don't think he is

Speaker 4 at all. Well, he got in.
There's a difference between getting thrown into a game and getting first-team reps and being ready to go.

Speaker 4 So I think that's an overreaction to Tua being injured, but Jacoby Brissette's not a bad quarterback. Brissett's against the Raiders being frogs.

Speaker 5 That can grind it out for 21 points. And if your defense shows up and plays well.
But I think Derek Carr is actually playing really well this year. So I don't know.
I like the Raiders.

Speaker 5 I don't like the Raiders. Come back and talk to me in like two weeks, and I'm going to probably hate the Raiders.
But right now, I like them.

Speaker 4 Bubba, your favorite underdog. So I also have the Dolphins.

Speaker 6 Anyone else have the Dolphins?

Speaker 4 Going once, going twice? Nope. Bubba.

Speaker 14 I have Lions plus eight.

Speaker 4 Ooh, man Campbell.

Speaker 7 That's a money line space.

Speaker 4 Man Campbell. Sprinkle it.

Speaker 14 Just thinking like Ravens coming off the big wind.

Speaker 4 Yep. Yep.
Yep. I love it.
No rain. No rain to fuck with Jared.
Yep.

Speaker 5 Also, I mean, the Lions, they do, they play hard. What did the Ravens do last week? They shut down the the Chiefs' number one wide receiver, right? Yep.

Speaker 5 They're going to be up all night trying to figure out who the number one wide receiver on the Lions is going to be.

Speaker 4 Is Brian still out there? I don't know.

Speaker 5 I don't know who it's going to be.

Speaker 4 But yeah, you know, I think the Ravens' number one wide receiver is just their running game. No, the Lions' number one wide receiver.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Actually, both teams really had a lack of wide receivers in this one. But also, Dan Campbell, a coach who eats kneecaps, going up against the Ravens with that injury history this year.

Speaker 4 That's a bloodbath. Did you see the quote Greg Roman had?

Speaker 4 Nice little flex on himself. He said, they ran 32 different runs against the Chiefs, and there's a whole lot more that he could have done.

Speaker 4 I like that. Like, you like what you saw? I got a whole fucking, he's got binders full of runs.

Speaker 5 How many different running plays can you have?

Speaker 4 He's got a lot. He's got all of them.
He's got everyone. He's got a corner to market on.
Yeah, it's like Pokemon. He's just running around catching them.
All right.

Speaker 5 My Rams, I got Rams plus one at home against the Bucs. I don't hate it.
So Jalen Ramsey is going to be matched up against Rob Gronkowski.

Speaker 5 He's talked a lot of shit about Gronk in the past, saying that a big corner can cover Gronk, really neglecting to mention that Jalen Ramsey is really the only person who fits Jalen Ramsey's description of a quarterback that can cover Gronk.

Speaker 5 Yep. Because Jalen is a big dude.
He's strong. He's got coverage skills and he can tackle.

Speaker 5 So it's going to be a fun matchup to watch.

Speaker 5 I really like the Rams. I really, really like them.

Speaker 4 Do you think that the Bucs should possibly sit Tom Brady in this game because of Aaron Donald?

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 4 Probably. I like that too.

Speaker 4 I like that too. They don't want to get him hurt.
Yes.

Speaker 4 Anytime a team plays Aaron Donald, they should sit their starting cornerback.

Speaker 5 I also think that the Bucs should sit Rob Gronkowski for admitting that he doesn't watch any film whatsoever. But then Gronk came out, he corrected that, and he very obviously went to practice.

Speaker 5 And his coach was like, Rob, we know that you don't watch film. Why did you have to say that in public? And he said, I actually watch tons of film, an overload of film.

Speaker 5 Trust me, I watch so much film that my girlfriend gets mad at me.

Speaker 4 He really is Billy football. Gronk and Billy football are the same exact person.

Speaker 5 Listening to him trying to explain his way out of that, it is very much.

Speaker 5 It's a very Billy explanation. Sometimes I go home and she's like, you've been gone all day and now you're studying.
You study too much. You've got your iPod out and everything.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I got to get into it. I got to learn.

Speaker 4 Yeah, like if I asked Billy, like, hey, Billy, you only had three blogs this week, he'd be like, I actually blogged so much, but like, my computer broke one day and like the blogs are just on the computer.

Speaker 4 So it is a compliment, by the way, because I love Gronk and I love you.

Speaker 5 You guys are the same. Billy would say, I blogged so much that I broke my computer and I couldn't upload it.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 True or false?

Speaker 4 Debatable. All right.
Billy, your favorite underdog?

Speaker 11 Jets versus Broncos. Jets have 10 and a half points.

Speaker 4 Hashtag Billy was right.

Speaker 4 Let's give you your credit now. Zach Wilson announced has a groin injury.
Tough to push off with a groin injury. Billy was right.
He diagnosed it before anyone else.

Speaker 4 You get, Billy, you get to say whatever you want now because you were right.

Speaker 11 Look, the groin really impacts your ability to drive your hips into throws. Those last two interceptions were both just short-armed, short throws.
They got picked off.

Speaker 11 The first two were 100% an impact of Belichick's scheme. But, you know, I think Zach Wilson's going to get those points done versus the Broncos.
I think this is when the Jets,

Speaker 11 the rest of the team plays well and Zach plays well, and it's going to be a good game.

Speaker 4 Now, Now, Billy, did you see the report that he, so he hurt his groin in practice on Tuesday?

Speaker 11 No, no, he hurt his groin.

Speaker 4 No, no, I'm just fucking with you.

Speaker 4 I'm just fucking with you.

Speaker 4 It felt good, though. Didn't it feel good to be right?

Speaker 11 I wish it was something more arm-related.

Speaker 4 You wanted him more injury? No, no, no. It's true.
I wish it wasn't.

Speaker 4 You said he had both elbows.

Speaker 4 That counts. I'm giving Billy full credit.
An injury, if you say an injury, if it's the wrong body part, it still gets credit. Yeah.

Speaker 4 As someone who does that all the time.

Speaker 5 Also, Zach Wilson has the most drops in the NFL seven seven drops you mean like him fumbling not fumbling okay no no I was gonna say I believe that too guys dropped drops drop pat drop passes he's been he's been snakebitten by his receivers at the end

Speaker 5 and is groin it's a pulled groin yeah uh a ductor strain uh it's not very mormon of you

Speaker 4 uh all right billy good pick good pick and billy was right hashtag billy was right everyone give billy credit

Speaker 13 uh in fields we trust bears oh seven

Speaker 5 against the

Speaker 4 Browns. Yep.
And Jarvis Landers.

Speaker 13 Barcelon Sportsbook promo. Yep.
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Speaker 4 So if you go out to Aurora, the Penn Casino, Hollywood Casino, and Aurora, you sign up, you put in promo code Dave, you get the Bears plus seven or whatever the line will be when you bet it, and it's plus 1985.

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Speaker 4 If you haven't signed up yet, you can do it between now and Sunday. I'll be there out there on Sunday, but you can just drive out there and do it

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Jake the Jenks. Jake the Jenks? Oh, no.

Speaker 4 I'm, you know, honestly, this game, the one thing that I'm at least a little confident about is that the Bears do, they will be able to like slow down the run game.

Speaker 4 The Bears have a suspect secondary, so it helps that Jarvis Landry isn't in. But I'm

Speaker 4 just, I want to see Justin Fields out there happy, make a couple throws, even if they're dropped. So I can say on Sunday night, like, oh, well, a couple touchdowns were dropped, I'll take that.

Speaker 4 But I'm very, very excited.

Speaker 5 I also think that this coaching matchup in a weird way might favor the Bears because Kevin Stefanski is such a good coach that he's probably going to imagine creative ways for Matt Nagy to be using Justin Fields, and Matt Nagy will use him in the stupidest ways possible.

Speaker 4 They'll just run anyway.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so Kevin Stefansky will be unprepared for the extremely basic offense that the Bears are going to be running.

Speaker 4 That's a good point. That's a very good point.
All right.

Speaker 5 Also, I got another fun stat.

Speaker 4 I got him coming out every hole right now.

Speaker 5 The Bears are 9-0 against the AFC North since 2013.

Speaker 4 Whoa. You guys own that division.
Whoa.

Speaker 4 That's huge.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Wait, 2013. So that was.
Okay, I got it. I got it.
Because you got to like go back.

Speaker 4 I got to think hard. There was a game where a guy got poisoned after the Steelers played the Bears in, like, I want to say 05 or something.
That was bad.

Speaker 4 That was bad. Yeah, poisoned.
A Steelers fan got poisoned at a bar after the game in Chicago.

Speaker 5 I remember that. What do you mean by poison?

Speaker 4 I think someone poisoned him. He went dry.

Speaker 8 He drank Malort.

Speaker 4 I'm going to look it up right now. Nope,

Speaker 4 that's close to poison. Let me look it up.
I'm going to look it up.

Speaker 5 If you look it up, because I could have also sneaked somebody a stride of Malort without telling them, that is assault.

Speaker 4 Poisoned fan. This is a crazy story, if my memory serves me correct, which it very well could not.
Steelers fan says he was poisoned, blinded by Bears fan, 2009.

Speaker 4 Yep. Steelers fan Zach Hedinger says he was blinded at a Chicago bar by Bears fan after some trash talk gone awry.

Speaker 4 Basically, I guess my buddies had gotten into an altercation and they offered a drink as a peacemaker, from what I understand.

Speaker 4 I don't think they tried to kill me. I think they tried to hurt me, but the killing came pretty close.

Speaker 4 Whoa.

Speaker 5 They did the dumb and dumber.

Speaker 4 Why don't you drink up and we'll tell you? Whoa, actually, it's very, whoa, way more serious than I remembered.

Speaker 4 Hedinger passed out and his heart stopped four times after he was rushed to a local hospital. Okay, disavow.
I remember it. I thought it was a funnier version of that story in my memory.

Speaker 5 The Steelers fan was probably like, yeah, they over-served me alcohol and cocaine. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Poisoned me. Yes.
Okay. Antifreeze.
Antifreeze, yes. All right.
The over.

Speaker 4 That's a deep cut poll from my brain there. Geez.
All right.

Speaker 4 Over.

Speaker 7 Jets Broncos.

Speaker 4 Which we just talked about. I agree with Billy.

Speaker 7 I think this is the game where Zach Wilson turns it around a little bit. He played absolutely horrible in the last game.
He can't play any worse.

Speaker 7 The rest of their offense and defense looks pretty good otherwise. And it's such a low total that I just got to go over.

Speaker 4 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 6 Nice. Nice.
Bubba.

Speaker 14 I'm taking Bucks Rams over.

Speaker 4 It's just a...

Speaker 4 Nice. I think Glenny Ball says it.

Speaker 14 It's just a fun over. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 55 and a half. That's a fun time.

Speaker 14 It's a fun over. That's a good time.

Speaker 4 That's That's a good time.

Speaker 11 What are you going to say, Billy? Sometimes when those games that you think are going to be over, you got to remember they adjust the lines to make the numbers higher.

Speaker 4 It makes them higher. Yeah, you got to face your numbers.

Speaker 4 Delete that part. Delete that part of the podcast.

Speaker 5 So it makes it tougher to bet on the

Speaker 4 tougher to get to the overall. I don't get it either.

Speaker 5 So I was under the impression that every game was 47 points as you run in.

Speaker 11 But if it's good on the screen, you don't check that because you're like, oh, yeah, this game will go over. Then you look at the number and it's like 60.

Speaker 5 That's very, that's insightful. Shit.
Shit.

Speaker 5 Gotta be just saying yeah i'm gonna go back and yeah can i have just a second to switch my pick now that i know that damn so i was thinking about that one but then i was like that's a high number yeah good point billy um no you know what i'm gonna stick with it my over i'm gonna take the falcons and the giants that's mine as well 47 and a half arthur smith i'm believing in what he's putting together down in atlanta i think that that offense is primed for an explosion they're just they they're on the details it's the small things it's a game of inches well and if they can find one or two inches here or there i think that offense is liable to just come alive i also think like so that's my over as well 47 and a half falcons giants i think arthur smith is one of those coaches like we i was looking at it more he's actually a pretty handsome dude like he's a handsome good looking guy um i think his neck is totally fine his chin is totally fine i i think you know what i'm gonna throw it out there arthur smith one of the best-looking coaches in the nfl i think it's like him and mike mccarthy one and two i think that he's he is a handsome guy sean mcvay throw him in there the more that we look back on what we said on Monday's show,

Speaker 5 the more I feel like it was coming from a place of jealousy. Yeah.
Where we saw

Speaker 6 such a good strong neck.

Speaker 5 We saw a guy that was just a man's man,

Speaker 5 just oozing with testosterone. And I want to be him, and I would just, you know, I'd like to take back anything bad that I said about the guy.

Speaker 4 A good-looking guy.

Speaker 4 His wife's a lucky woman.

Speaker 4 What's up, Billy? What? What? What?

Speaker 5 I thought you guys were like chinless.

Speaker 4 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 This has nothing to do with being added on a text message with Arthur Smith by Will Compton. No.
And making this feel

Speaker 4 completely separate of what we're talking about right now.

Speaker 5 I forgot about all those texts. But no.

Speaker 5 I think that the TV we're watching the Falcons game on was the standard definition TV that we have at the Arrival House. So it made everyone's neck and chin look smoother.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And like a big, it looked like a big kneecap that was attached to his face.

Speaker 4 And a special fuck you to Will Compton because we were going to make so many chin jokes about Arthur Smith this year.

Speaker 4 And then Tuesday morning, he just fucking dropped, or Monday morning, he just dropped that on us. And Arthur Smith was like, that was hilarious.
You guys are awesome. And we're like, okay, cool.

Speaker 4 Now we can't do this anymore.

Speaker 5 To his credit, he was a very good sport about it. Yes.
He was like, my wife told me after listening to you guys that I have to grow a beard out.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so thanks, Will. Thanks for ruining that.

Speaker 5 Actually, you know what? Fuck it.

Speaker 4 He's got no chin.

Speaker 4 Nothing wrong with that. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
And we're going to have Arthur Smith on the show. And we're going to give him tips.
Turtleneck, I think, is one.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I said he should have told him he should rock the turtleneck. I said he should just push the neck up into the chin, make a synthetic chin.

Speaker 4 I think he should just become a super paranoid coach and just keep the play card in front of his face at all times. So we will do this for Arthur Smith, yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, he should become the most COVID-safe coach in the NFL.

Speaker 15 Yes.

Speaker 5 Safety first. Safety first.

Speaker 4 Yes, yes. So Arthur Smith, welcome to the team.
You're now one of our guys.

Speaker 7 Thanks, Will Baugh, over here.

Speaker 4 Well, Will Compton did that too. It was unsolicited.

Speaker 4 We didn't ask for it.

Speaker 5 I still do have the over in this game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I do too. As well.
He's an offensive genius. And

Speaker 4 he's a guru.

Speaker 5 And this is a game that I'm going to look forward to it never appearing on the Red Zone channel. Yep.
And so I'm just going to bet the over and forget about it for a couple hours. Yep.

Speaker 4 All right. Wait.
Billy. Yeah, no, we're going to lose.
He's saying. We will.

Speaker 4 We'll see.

Speaker 4 All right, Billy.

Speaker 11 I like Bills Washington.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 11 The over-under is 45.5. Okay.
Washington scored 30 last week. I think the Bills can score a lot of points.
So I think they go over. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Do you think that did they adjust the number for that, though? Yeah, it's figured out that they scored 30 last week.

Speaker 11 How I looked at it, I was like, that could be an over game. Does it have over numbers for the over-under? And I was like, 45.5 is not an over-under number.
That's too high.

Speaker 5 Let me give you a little

Speaker 5 history lesson, though, Billy.

Speaker 7 What number is an over-under number?

Speaker 15 Well, the thing is, like, the 50s,

Speaker 11 anything over 47, I'm like, whoa, got gotta reconsider if these two like numbers teams are gonna put up numbers, uh-huh.

Speaker 4 Put that on a quote card, please. Seriously, put that on a quote card.

Speaker 5 But at some point, doesn't it like reverse itself? And if it's in the upper 50s, you're like, holy shit, Vegas knows that these two offenses are great.

Speaker 5 Then it makes you want to bet the over even more. Because for me, if I see like 58 on an over-under, I'm smashing the over every time.

Speaker 11 Well, I've been caught up on this a lot when I started gambling, so I'm just like checking it out now.

Speaker 4 Like that number goes higher

Speaker 11 just as you think it's going to go.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't want to even tell you about college football because college football, it's like you'll get games in the Big 12 and the 70s. Yeah.
That will break your brain. We'll do that.

Speaker 4 We'll do that next week. Jake, your favorite over?

Speaker 13 My over is going to be Baltimore and Detroit over 50.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 13 Both defenses have been horrific in the first two weeks. All right.

Speaker 4 Okay, we talked about that game. Go ahead, Hank.
You're under, and any games we miss, we'll talk about.

Speaker 7 My under is Colts Titans.

Speaker 4 Okay, we didn't talk about this game yet. Yeah, I have the same under.
Okay, nice.

Speaker 7 Go ahead.

Speaker 4 No, Carson Wentz, which I think is actually a benefit. Really?

Speaker 4 I still can't get over the fact they sprained both ankles. What a hilariously stupid thing to have happening.

Speaker 5 It's got to be the most annoying injury to ever have because right if you're running and like one gets bad when you sprain an ankle your natural reaction is you hop on the other ankle and then he's going to hop on the other ankle and then he's just going to collapse into a puddle so is he officially not playing i i i don't know i just i i thought that you could only sprain both ankles either in like a car accident or a trampoline accident.

Speaker 4 That's pretty much it. Like that's how you sprain both ankles, but he somehow figured out a way to do it.
I think Jacob Eason,

Speaker 4 although I saw their other backup, not Sam Ellinger, is getting reps as well. Brett Hundley.
Brett Hundley. Eason and Brett Hundley.

Speaker 5 They're thinking about doing a two-headed monster of Jacob Eason and Brett Hundley.

Speaker 7 Think about how bad Sam Eling just screams under.

Speaker 4 Think about how.

Speaker 7 That sentence right there is exactly why I'm taking you under.

Speaker 4 Billy, we gave you credit for being right, but Sam Ellinger being

Speaker 4 fourth on the

Speaker 4 fourth on the depth chart to Brett Hundley, Jacob Eason, and Carson Wentz.

Speaker 15 He's not back yet. He tweaked his father.
Okay, fine, fair.

Speaker 4 So you think he would start?

Speaker 11 I think he'd 100% start right now.

Speaker 5 I think he'd probably start too.

Speaker 4 This was another thing. I feel like Jacob Eason might have started.

Speaker 5 Brett Hundley's a guy that you just have on your roster as a name. He's a great third name to have on there because everyone just remembers he's like 6'4 and he went to UCLA, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, Deshaun Kaiser was another one of those guys.

Speaker 5 You have to have a guy that's 6'4, played college football in California, and that guy can be your number three. You know, he'll have a 10-year career as a backup.

Speaker 11 Realistically, what would probably happen is Jacob Eason would start and then throw a couple picks, garbage time.

Speaker 11 Ellinger would get in and just throw a bunch of yards in a pre-vent against pre-vent defense, and then everyone wanted to start. Okay.

Speaker 4 Your under, DFT.

Speaker 5 My under this week is going to be what do I have for my

Speaker 5 Chargers Chiefs. So we already talked about that one.

Speaker 5 I feel like a 1 o'clock p.m. game for Chargers and Chiefs, it doesn't feel right.
It doesn't feel like points in the 1 p.m. time slot.
So I'm just going with my feel on that one.

Speaker 5 Both teams have top 10 pass defenses, though.

Speaker 4 All right. Patriot Saints is my under under 42.5.

Speaker 4 Billy.

Speaker 11 51.5. Does that sound like an over for like two teams that are going to put up numbers?

Speaker 4 I like this. I was talking about this before.

Speaker 4 Is this the Vikings and the Seahawks? Rams.

Speaker 11 No, this is the Cardinals and the Jaguars.

Speaker 4 So that's an under.

Speaker 15 You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Do you see those teams putting up points? Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 5 Billy, you just said...

Speaker 7 Did you ever think about what Vegas might know more than you know?

Speaker 4 I'm confused, though, because please don't. Billy says, does that sound like

Speaker 4 seven hours of a podcast?

Speaker 5 Billy just said, does that sound like an over-under for two teams that are going to put up points? You're including the Jaguars as a team that you would deal with most.

Speaker 4 I think they're going to be under. Yes, points.

Speaker 11 Because 51.5, that sounds like an over to your team.

Speaker 5 So you think that the Jaguars aren't good at football, so therefore they're not going to score as many points. Right.
Gotcha.

Speaker 11 Neither are the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 And also Urban Meyer, his quote this week, which was very much, Urban Meyer does not want to be in Jacksonville. Vic Fangio said that Urban Meyer told him before the game,

Speaker 4 in the NFL, it's like playing Alabama each week, which we should point out,

Speaker 4 there's a place that you can go where you don't have to play Alabama ever, and that's USC.

Speaker 4 The Pac-12. That's pretty good.

Speaker 11 Cardinals are also wearing red.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 And how does that Sunday red? Alabama. Alabama.
Okay.

Speaker 6 Not really.

Speaker 4 Crimson. Is it Crimson Red? Cardinals.
Maroon?

Speaker 4 Burgundy? They're definitely different pantones. But yeah, okay, I'll give you that.
A little flashbacks back for him. He's like, fuck, these guys are awesome.
All right.

Speaker 4 I'm with Billy. All right.

Speaker 4 That game.

Speaker 4 Like the Jaguars, I think you got to either.

Speaker 4 I kind of want to take them this week, but I think also I just got to pull the plug and be like, they're just going to suck really, really bad.

Speaker 13 It'd be like 38 to 13.

Speaker 4 There will be a week that Trevor Lawrence will throw four touchdowns in a win, and everyone will be like, wow, it's happening.

Speaker 5 It's arrived. So I wanted to bet on the Jaguars this week.
I just couldn't bring myself to do it yet.

Speaker 5 They're one of those teams that you do get the feeling like they can't be this bad for this long, but I think they might be that bad for this long for longer.

Speaker 4 Yes, yes. All right, so games we didn't touch.
We didn't talk about the Vikings, the Seahawks.

Speaker 4 I think the Vikings are going to win. I think so, too.
I think the Vikings are going to win. I think this feels like

Speaker 4 the hungry dog runs faster kind of game. And also, the Seahawks defense is still a mess.

Speaker 5 Kirk Cousins right now is on pace to have the best season ever for any quarterback from a statistical perspective.

Speaker 4 I believe in him. Not.

Speaker 4 Packers, 49ers, Sunday night football, all-time Jersey matchup.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think the real winner in this one is going to be us. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's a great night catch. Unless Steven Rodgers is awesome.

Speaker 5 There's nothing like having a full slate of Sunday games, and then you always have that one in your back pocket to look forward to. No matter how badly you do

Speaker 5 during the actual day, you've got a premiere matchup at night.

Speaker 4 I'm very excited for that game. A great, great group of games this weekend.
Great week three.

Speaker 4 All right, should we do Fantasy Fuck Boys? Anything else that we want to talk about before we do Fantasy Fuck Boys? Any other weekend preview stuff? Anything, any notes before we close it? Anything?

Speaker 4 No? I've embraced debate.

Speaker 5 Okay. Embraced debate about baseball.

Speaker 4 Okay. And the Unwritten Rules.

Speaker 4 I'll do that in my Firefest because you've fucked me.

Speaker 5 The Unwritten Rules debate came back up. Did you see the Rays and the Blue Jays? Yes.
The scandal there. Alejandro Kirk, he dropped his scouting report, the catcher.
And then, what's his name?

Speaker 5 Kevin Kiermeyer?

Speaker 4 Kiermeyer.

Speaker 5 Kiermeyer picked it up. And people are mad at Kevin Kiermeyer.
And he got beaned the next time up. And then John Heyman tweeted out, what if a $100 bill fell out of Kirk's pocket?

Speaker 5 Would that be a fair game for Kiermeyer to take to? What if it was a family portrait? Does he get that too?

Speaker 4 So I was thinking about this tweet. Jake brought it to my attention.

Speaker 4 I actually might agree with John Heyman. What? I don't know.

Speaker 5 No, if it falls out of your pocket, it's Finder's Keep. Yeah, I guess.
Like, it's Finderskeeping.

Speaker 4 I guess in a game.

Speaker 7 And it's also way different than finding a $100 bill on the street and versus a game where it's like game plans and all that shit.

Speaker 7 If you have a game plan, if you're that stupid as a fucking catcher and you can't remember anything, that you have to literally have your note card so close to you that you have it, that you can drop it and a player can take it.

Speaker 7 That is 100% your fault.

Speaker 5 Yeah, or at least keep just keep it secured in your pocket somewhere that where it's not going to fall out or have a fake one i guess carry one real one and two fake ones on you at all time you know which one the real one is that way when it falls out nobody knows which one i guess so i i understand you're right like if you can get a competitive advantage you should do it it's professional sports But I guess I'm more like John Heyman wasn't that like, it wasn't that crazy and egregious of a tweet of just being like, be a decent person.

Speaker 4 But you literally said. The analogy wasn't accurate.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, the analogy was not accurate but like i understand the undertone of what he's saying is like be a good person which you throw that out the window for professional sports but i didn't think it was like the worst like oh my god you're such an idiot but then he said what if it was a family portrait he gets that too yeah if you drop that in a baseball game you should probably give it back I okay, I agree with that.

Speaker 5 If you have a family portrait in your pocket and it falls out in a baseball game, you should not steal that. I think that's where the line is.

Speaker 4 So there we go. So he was right.
John Heyman was right. I mean, if you drop a family portrait behind home plate and the other team takes it, that's fucked up.

Speaker 8 If it helps them win, that's fucked up.

Speaker 4 It's got to be done. That's fucked up.

Speaker 5 If there's a competitive advantage to be gained, I think you can take it. But if it's just simply like

Speaker 4 a classic family portrait goes to the salary cap, cap goes up because you got $100 that you can now use, that's fucked up.

Speaker 5 I don't think so. No, I think you keep the $100 bill.
Okay. You might keep the family portrait, too.

Speaker 4 Would you keep $100 bill

Speaker 4 you saw a $100 bill on the floor in the office?

Speaker 5 No, the answer is yes.

Speaker 4 I wouldn't. Yes.
I wouldn't keep $100 bill if I dropped it if I saw this.

Speaker 7 Not in this office because it's kind of like my thing with always stopping when there's random people playing the violins in subway stations.

Speaker 7 You just got to assume there's like a hidden camera somewhere.

Speaker 4 If it was on the street, I'd take it. Yeah.
But if it's in this office, which like you know who, like, someone has dropped it here, I would be like, who dropped their $100 bill?

Speaker 5 How tightly rolled up is this $100?

Speaker 4 It looks like it's been through some partying. Okay.
Then I take it.

Speaker 5 Then I leave it. No, you got it.

Speaker 4 Then, Billy, you've got to get it. Well, you take it because it's yours.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 No, no.

Speaker 11 Whoever had it would probably have enough money to be using it in party settings. Well, guess what?

Speaker 5 I just take it. You've implied that you're a part of a crime at this point.
I just take it. Possession of drugs.

Speaker 4 I'm not going to leave $100 on the floor.

Speaker 4 Why? You wouldn't, you'd never. Because I'd want it.
Right. No, but if you picked up $100, you wouldn't be like, who dropped it?

Speaker 4 I would do that. In the office, I would do that.
That's being a good person. That's the John Heyman way.
I mean, I million.

Speaker 7 I would leave it, touch it if I came back like eight hours later and no one else is here and still there.

Speaker 4 That's crazy. Are you guys serious?

Speaker 4 I wouldn't touch it.

Speaker 7 I wouldn't acknowledge it.

Speaker 4 I would just walk by and see it in the hallway, right here. You wouldn't be like, who dropped the $100?

Speaker 4 Because everyone would be like, I did. No.
And how are you supposed to prove that?

Speaker 5 No, no, of course I would. But

Speaker 4 if I walked in and was like, hey, guys, I'm on the baseball field, I would keep it.

Speaker 4 If I walked in this room and said, hey, guys,

Speaker 16 all of you guys would be like, I dropped $100 bill.

Speaker 4 No, no, I actually would. I actually would.

Speaker 11 I would say, did anybody drop a $100 bill? And if no one said yes immediately, then I'd pocket.

Speaker 5 I would not leave it. I would not leave it to be picked up.

Speaker 4 I just lost it either. This is crazy to me.

Speaker 7 On the street, I would actually bring it to the police.

Speaker 4 No. I'm not saying that.
On the street, I totally understand because you're not going to find the person who dropped a $100 bill on the street. I have that attitude.

Speaker 4 But with your coworkers, yeah, I'd probably be like, hey, did someone drop $100 bill?

Speaker 5 I would staple it to a telephone poll and write on a flyer, did somebody lose this $100 bill?

Speaker 4 Nobody ever dropped money around you guys.

Speaker 5 Of course, I wouldn't pick it up in the office, but on a baseball field, I absolutely would.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I feel like you guys would all pocket it in the office. I definitely.
You got to try to go.

Speaker 5 Why would I pocket it when I can just do one-thousandth of an ad read and make it right back?

Speaker 11 I'd pick it up and then look around, like within my hand, be like, oh, oh, oh. And if no one immediately reacts, then it's in my pocket.

Speaker 4 Okay. So you did enough.
That would be doing enough. Oh, anybody? No.
Bare minimum.

Speaker 5 You know what scarred me for life, though? Is the poo dollar.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I probably wouldn't even touch it if it was on. The poo dollar to some people because I would think that there would be feces on it.

Speaker 4 It's funny. It's a funny joke.
It's a funny thing to do. Just get someone.
I'm going to do it to Billy when you're not expecting it with a $100 deal.

Speaker 5 He'll look around.

Speaker 4 Oh, oh, and then, oh, no. All right, let's do fantasy fuckboys and let's get to Barry Alvarez and Garrett McNamara.

Speaker 4 Oh!

Speaker 4 Let's go.

Speaker 4 What's up? Have it done. What up?

Speaker 5 My name is Ahmad Bashad Penny.

Speaker 4 Let's go. My stardom this week is range finders.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, buddy. This is in the 1800s.

Speaker 16 If you're out in the course, you don't want to use your eyeballs.

Speaker 7 You got to get a finder, see where the pin is, pin high, get it there.

Speaker 5 And some fucking laser technology.

Speaker 4 Fuck yeah.

Speaker 7 My sidem is South african bees what they took out a fucking my boy's the penguins hit squad i'm gonna have to send out a hit squad take them all out because this shit can't this crime can't go unpunished those pieces of

Speaker 8 and my sleepa is alex guerrero

Speaker 11 Yeah, he's a piece of shit. He's talking shit on my boy Bill Belichick.

Speaker 4 You don't do that to me.

Speaker 16 My sister said my guy Kenny Hamm is over there and feed his fucking ass.

Speaker 5 Might have to put some of those Cinderblock shoes on him.

Speaker 11 Loose lip shins ships, Alex.

Speaker 4 Didn't he create a cure for cancer with some cabbage or some shit?

Speaker 6 Probably not.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 5 Well, I don't see Tom Brady coming down with the sniffles.

Speaker 11 No tomatoes, no pizza.

Speaker 4 Good point. Fuck that guy.

Speaker 5 Hi, this is Elizabeth Holmes. I'm starting Jamar Chase.
Jamar, you are the breeze in the desert for me. You are my water.
You are my ocean. We are meant to be together, Tiger.

Speaker 4 Gritty.

Speaker 4 This isn't fantasy fuck, boys.

Speaker 4 This is illegal.

Speaker 5 I'm sitting, speaking of tigers, I'm sitting Tiger King 2.

Speaker 5 Carol Baskins coming back, Jeff Bowe coming back.

Speaker 5 With my proprietary technology, I could build a new grinder that could fit an entire Trangles offense into a device that could fit into the palm of my hand. My sleeper is golf.

Speaker 4 Golf is born. Fuck you, Elizabeth.
I'll fuck you up. That sounded pretty hot.
That wasn't fantasy fuck, boys. What's up, boys? It's

Speaker 6 Doey DeJulius.

Speaker 4 Doey DeJulius. My starting is the USA.
We're going to fuck up Europe and the Ryder Cup. It's happening this weekend.

Speaker 4 Also, fuck everyone. Fuck it.
I'm a fucker.

Speaker 4 Fuck anyone who did a negative spin zone on what Brooks Kepka said. Fuck them.
Fuck them in the face. Fuck them in the ear.
Fuck him in the ass.

Speaker 5 Sound like Elizabeth Holmes.

Speaker 4 I'm going to sit Danny Dimes. That guy stinks.
Also, this podcast loves Arthur Smith. Love Arthur Smith.
Fucking delicious. He's the hottest guy I've ever seen in my entire life.

Speaker 4 If you put him in front of me, I'd smooch him right on the lips and his chin.

Speaker 5 Guys got a chin like Jay Leno.

Speaker 4 My sleeper is Kirk Cousins because he's got the most accurate QB rating in a clean pocket so far. According to Pro Football Focus, maybe this is the year.

Speaker 5 Statistically, the best quarterback of all time.

Speaker 4 Stop hating, start appreciating.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 4 What's up? It's the Linguine Lord.

Speaker 11 And my stardom is air fryers. If you don't have an air fryer, it's going to change your life.
You can cook food really fast, really efficiently.

Speaker 11 My sit him is gronk because he doesn't watch any film and when he watches film he gets into fights with his girlfriend allegedly anyway my sleeper is deandre swift he hurdled the guy in garbage time sneaky think he's gonna sneak up on us hope he does hope he doesn't sneak up on you behind you in the driveway you say kill jump with smiles

Speaker 4 sleeper do you feel a little bad about that by the way yeah i kind of do

Speaker 11 I kind of do Gronk doesn't actually have problems with Camilla.

Speaker 4 No, I was talking with DeAndre Swift.

Speaker 4 You all hit stick. Yeah, you had a lot of evidence.

Speaker 4 There was a lot of evidence. There was a lot of evidence.
There was a lot of evidence. All right, let's get to our interviews.
We got Barry Alvarez and Garrett McNamara.

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Speaker 4 Okay, here he is, Barry Alvarez.

Speaker 4 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.

Speaker 4 It is Hall of Famer,

Speaker 4 retired now, former A.D., former coach of the Wisconsin Badgers, the Grand Puba. It is Barry Alvarez,

Speaker 4 coach. Can we call you coach? Let's start there.
You may call me coach. All right, great.
So very excited to have you on.

Speaker 4 We're leading up to the Notre Dame, Wisconsin game on Saturday. So let's start there.
You actually had a lot to do with planning this game and getting it scheduled.

Speaker 4 I'm very, very excited.

Speaker 4 When you're trying to figure out how to plan these non-conference games, what goes through an athletic director's head?

Speaker 4 What goes through a football program's head of, like, hey, we want to schedule big games, but we also don't want to hurt ourselves playing too many big games in a single season?

Speaker 4 Yeah, there has to be a

Speaker 4 good fit in there and some common sense used as

Speaker 4 you lay out your schedules.

Speaker 4 Having to play nine conference games when the Southeast Conference, Big 12, or

Speaker 4 in the ACC are only playing eight, eight.

Speaker 4 You put another burden, excess burden on your players with that alone. Now, in your non-conference games, you have to be smart.
But, you know,

Speaker 4 I think it's fair to our fans. I know our players like to play in big games.

Speaker 4 When you have an opportunity to play someone with a tradition-rich background like Notre Dame,

Speaker 4 I just felt it was something that our players deserved, our fans deserved,

Speaker 4 you know, and really really had good cooperation from Jack at Notre Dame and the people there, and we were able to find some years that fit.

Speaker 4 And a follow-up question, was it ever on the table to do Madison and South Bend? Because I know that how big college football works.

Speaker 4 A lot of times, big programs don't want to go to campus versus other big-time programs. But we're off the heels of the Auburn-Penn State game last Saturday night.
That was an electric crowd.

Speaker 4 It was incredible to see. Was that ever on the the table? And do you think maybe Wisconsin will start doing stuff like that? You know, we will start doing stuff like that.

Speaker 4 As a matter of fact, I think we have Alabama scheduled, home and home. That's unfortunate, but okay.
I was at the game in Texas that didn't go.

Speaker 4 Unfortunate for who?

Speaker 6 Okay, fine.

Speaker 4 Yes, it's for you. All right.
All right. I'm excited for that game.
You're right. I'm excited.
Yeah, actually, that game in Texas, we missed the field goal.

Speaker 4 And, you know, that was a pretty close game and half, actually. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That was Paul's first game, as a matter of fact.

Speaker 4 You know, this is their, I forget what they call their series where they play one game on the road. And being an independent, I think they like to move a game on the road to,

Speaker 4 you know, for their fans. And,

Speaker 4 you know, these years opened up for us. We had open dates for these two years, and it worked up for their,

Speaker 4 I can't put my finger on what they call it. Shamrock series, I believe.
Shamrock series. Right.
You're exactly.

Speaker 4 So it worked out well for their Shamrock series. It allowed us to get them on the schedule.

Speaker 4 You know, our people were really excited about playing at Lambea last year and then, you know, tomorrow, their Saturday's game. So it just worked out that way.

Speaker 4 But, you know, we'll look, you know, down the road as we have different teams scheduled. We have some Pac-12 teams on the schedule.
We have some ACC teams on the schedule.

Speaker 4 You know, they're all home and home. And I think that's fair for our fans.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 When I think of Wisconsin football, I think of a couple things. Just strictly on-the-field stuff.
I think of fullbacks and I think of excellent offensive linemen.

Speaker 5 And you guys, you know, you always talk about some of the other teams around the country, they just reload constantly at the skill positions set with first-round picks, you know, one right after the other.

Speaker 5 With Wisconsin, it's been like that for offensive linemen for as long as I can remember. I was wondering, from your perspective, even going back to just recruiting and then developing,

Speaker 5 can you just smell like a future Wisconsin offensive lineman? You walk in the room, you're like, yeah, this guy's going to be my right guard for the next four years.

Speaker 5 What was your mindset when it came to establishing that as kind of the identity of the program?

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's a good question. Thank you.

Speaker 4 Great question.

Speaker 4 When I took this job and you take a look around the state,

Speaker 4 you look at the

Speaker 4 quality of the athletes, look at how many are signing Division I scholarships.

Speaker 4 You watch your summer camps where we'll have, I don't know, 500, 700 high school and junior high kids in here, and you look at the size of them and you realize

Speaker 4 we can get a lot. There's a lot of big people in Wisconsin, like big

Speaker 4 Palucas. And I figured, yeah, that's where we're going to start.
We're going to always have a good line. We're going to be physical and we're going to start there with a good running game.

Speaker 4 The majority of our linemen are from Wisconsin, although a lot of the very good ones came from outside the state. Some of our great running backs came from in-state,

Speaker 4 but a lot of them from out of state also. But the majority of the linemen are going to come from here, and that's going to be our starting point.

Speaker 4 And that's the foundation of our program and how we started it here and the philosophy that tied together with our offense and defense. Now, when you say fullback,

Speaker 4 Now, we're one of the few teams that still use a fullback, but our tailbacks usually look like fullbacks back to the Rondane days. Yep, Yes.
So, yeah, don't confuse him with a fullback. Oh, no, no.

Speaker 5 We actually, on this show, we give out the Low Man Trophy Award every year, which goes to the nation's top fullback. And so

Speaker 4 Wisconsin got it a couple years ago.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we've given it to Ben Mason. Last year it was Jacoby Buchanan from Army.

Speaker 4 Alec Ingold won it. Alec Ingold won it.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, we appreciate fullbacks.

Speaker 4 You know what you're talking about there. Yes.

Speaker 4 Would you consider great fullbacks? Would you consider?

Speaker 5 Yeah, would you consider Wisconsin to be fullback you?

Speaker 4 Right now it is. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I actually, so this is actually a perfect time. I was going to say this question for later on in the interview.
It's a tough question.

Speaker 4 It's one that you might not have expected to ever be asked again, but I'm going to ask it.

Speaker 4 I want to go back in time with you real quick. 2004,

Speaker 4 Badgers ranked number four in the country. In East Lansing, it's a 21-14 game against Michigan State.
We got the ball on the one-yard line.

Speaker 4 I actually think we had ran five plays from the one-yard line. None of them were for Matt Bernstein.
What were you doing? What were you doing?

Speaker 4 Well, Bernie couldn't jump over the line.

Speaker 4 That one was a killer. I just remember.
It was 21-14. The wheels kind of fell off after that.
It was literally five plays, five plays from the two-yard line.

Speaker 4 We had just a receiver

Speaker 4 on that team just walked in here, lives in Detroit, and reminded me of that game. So I'm familiar with it.

Speaker 4 Bernie couldn't go up and over.

Speaker 4 Their nose guard was lining up offside, had been Samoa nose guard, who lined up offside. I mean, Arch Center, Ryola, couldn't get a push.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 Bernie was not the answer that day. But one play, one play with Matt Bernstein on the one-yard line.
You had five.

Speaker 4 One, maybe one.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'll give you credit for that.

Speaker 4 You could have tried him one time.

Speaker 4 I thought he burned himself out against Penn State.

Speaker 4 He kind of wore himself out that game. I just showed PFT the famous hurdle from the Penn State game when he ran all over them.
It was incredible. A

Speaker 4 fantastic afternoon at Camp Randall.

Speaker 4 So, you know, it's kind of crazy to look back at your entire career

Speaker 4 when you got to Wisconsin. They weren't what they are today.
You built the program up.

Speaker 4 And I think the craziest part is the ability ability that they've had to sustain the type of level in the last three decades.

Speaker 4 Have you looked back and be like, man, I never in my wildest dreams thought that it would not only work for me as a coach, but then work for me as an AD where I left this program in a spot where they can continue to be competitive at a top end level.

Speaker 4 You know what? I'm very proud of that because it's difficult to do. And even your brand name schools, the schools that

Speaker 4 have had national championships and schools that

Speaker 4 recruit easily and sit in hotbeds of recruiting have all had their dips.

Speaker 4 You can start at Penn State and go through Michigan, Ohio State, Texas, Miami. You can go all the way somewhere along Southern California.

Speaker 4 They've had dips along the road in the last 25 years, and we've been very consistent.

Speaker 4 And the thing that I've done, the guys that I hired, I made sure that they understood the culture of our program, that our program is going to be built on Wisconsin, recruiting Wisconsin kids, a strong walk-on program,

Speaker 4 and then working from there. And every one of the coaches have bought into that.
Gary Anderson, not so much, but

Speaker 4 and they've hung their hat on the culture that we built, and it's a successful one, and there's no reason to change. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I know that obviously you're not the AD anymore, but what the situation Wisconsin in right now, Paul Chris, fantastic coach.

Speaker 4 You also have an incredible defensive coordinator, Jim Leonard, who obviously played for you. How does Wisconsin go forward in an era now where assistants are getting paid an insane amount of money?

Speaker 4 Do I need to donate? Do I need to make more money and donate?

Speaker 6 What do I have to do?

Speaker 4 Yeah, we've been waiting for that. Okay.

Speaker 4 I'm waiting for Penn stock to go back up again, but yes, I'd like to keep the Jim Leonards around. Yeah,

Speaker 4 we've tried to take care of Jimmy.

Speaker 4 You know, the fact that

Speaker 4 if he's going to get chances, he had one opportunity this year to take a head coaching job.

Speaker 4 And I told the person, it was a very good head coaching job who called me, I said, if he wants to be a head coach, he'll be a good head coach.

Speaker 4 You know, some people, he's got three young kids. They're happy here.
They're happy in school.

Speaker 4 If you go to the NFL, sometimes as a head coach, you're going to be bopping around.

Speaker 4 And I think Jimmy likes to have his roots settled.

Speaker 4 He's played 11 years in the league. He's been very good with his money.
He's got a beautiful home

Speaker 4 and lifestyle right here. And when you're happy, it's tough to buy happy.
Yeah. And

Speaker 4 so

Speaker 4 hopefully we try to take care of him and keep him here.

Speaker 4 And hope that that works. I hope we can keep him a long time because he's really a good coach.
Did you ever have an NFL team approach you? Were you ever close to possibly hopping to the NFL?

Speaker 4 I talked to about four NFL teams through my career.

Speaker 4 The Eagles

Speaker 4 tried very hard to hire me.

Speaker 4 I think it was back in 95.

Speaker 4 I talked to several other teams. You know, it's always, it was always flattering, but

Speaker 4 when I went back and thought about my goals and the things I wanted to do,

Speaker 4 I love college football. And I wanted to, my wife and I wanted to, we didn't want not want to be vagabonds.
We wanted to

Speaker 4 go to a place, build it up, sustain it,

Speaker 4 and make that our home. And that's what we always came back to.

Speaker 5 Yeah. So looking back at your career, which of these stats do you think you're most proud of?

Speaker 5 The 120 career wins, the nine and four record in bowl games, or the 1,272 hours of unused vacation time that you retired.

Speaker 4 I know which one my wife likes.

Speaker 5 Did you ever take a vacation?

Speaker 4 I told somebody

Speaker 4 one of the local writers asked me how do you build up that much time i said coaches don't take vacations we don't punch a clock um i do you know my vacation was always during semester break uh christmas vacation semester and semester break that was it yeah the we have a producer who's addicted to vacations so when you retired and that story came out we're like see this is this is the guy this is the model you should look after because all that money's sitting there for him after all the uh vacations he didn't take.

Speaker 4 That's a good question, guys.

Speaker 5 I think you even, you like hit the limit. So you couldn't get any more vacation time.
At some point, it stopped. After 31 years, you got 31 weeks of unused vacation time.
You just stopped accruing it.

Speaker 5 It just stalled out at 31. You probably ended up with like 60 or 70 weeks.

Speaker 4 Well, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 4 I was fine with it.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 we obviously love college football. The discussion, I think my favorite part is the discussion towards October, November who the best teams are.
You were on the selection committee for the playoff.

Speaker 4 The hot topic, it seems like, every year that pops up is what does a group of five team have to do to break into the big boys club?

Speaker 4 Was there a maybe UCF was close, but was there ever a chance that you sitting on that committee where a team from the group of five had a legitimate chance?

Speaker 4 Or a lot of people, myself included think it kind of is impossible until they expand

Speaker 4 it'll be very difficult it'll be very difficult until you go to eight or twelve

Speaker 4 um

Speaker 4 i'm trying to think back i i would think this year with cincinnati's schedule they have notre dame ahead of them they played indiana um

Speaker 4 I'm not sure if there's another

Speaker 4 ranked team on their schedule. And then the fact that the way they played Georgia in the bowl game, I think you have to give them consideration.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 But I can't say honestly that in my tenure there, that there was anyone close in the top four. And is that I wasn't there when I wasn't there when Central Florida.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I wasn't on the committee when Central Florida was good.

Speaker 4 And is that simply just because it's so difficult to play these Power Five conference schedules and you know that week in and week out, you're going to be be tested because I want to see one of these teams break in, but I also know the reality of it is if a Cincinnati had to play a Big Ten schedule, it's not that they beat Indiana once, it's that they then have to play Wisconsin or Iowa or, you know, follow it up with Minnesota or wherever they were aligned, but it's the week in, week out kind of gauntlet that tests you.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 let me tell you a little story. So, we played Penn State

Speaker 4 back when Ron Dane was a freshman, and uh it was a hell of a game very it was a typical game for us especially when he was there we had big linemen as usual and we were very physical it was a great game they were ranked in the top 10.

Speaker 4 i think we lost they beat us 34 31. i got a call from paternal on on monday he just said we're changing we just came out of a recruiting meeting We're changing how we recruit.

Speaker 4 We can't recruit small, fast guys anymore. We're so beat up, we won't even be able to practice till maybe Thursday.
And, you know, when you think of it, you mentioned, okay, you play us.

Speaker 4 Next week, you play Iowa. Then you turn around and play Minnesota.
Your alignment are so beat up. It's such a physical game.
You're going to have to get down into the depth.

Speaker 4 It just, it's the wear and tear. And unless you've been through that, you don't understand.
And so that's the one thing that I always looked at as I was evaluating. And

Speaker 4 I had my own

Speaker 4 form which which where I ranked teams I had eight areas the top

Speaker 4 individual statistics

Speaker 4 that that matched the last 10 national champions and I came up with their that ranking and in my own deal but

Speaker 4 None of them had that type of a schedule that you can compare with someone with the Big Ten or

Speaker 4 SEC or one of the other conferences. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Are you in favor of expanding to eight or 12 teams?

Speaker 4 I like expanding to eight.

Speaker 4 Not 12.

Speaker 4 Eight is my number. Okay.
Any reasoning behind that? Yeah, I think

Speaker 4 12,

Speaker 4 you look at the number of games, and

Speaker 4 I think coaches would manage that. And, you know, you have CS place, you know, they have a playoff.

Speaker 4 They get through it okay.

Speaker 4 But I think 12,

Speaker 4 I think selfishly for our league, eight is better.

Speaker 4 I think it's fair for the players. You can guarantee all your conference champions get in.

Speaker 4 You have

Speaker 4 some at large teams that have an opportunity to get in, and it opens the gate for more,

Speaker 4 and it just doesn't carry on

Speaker 4 into the second semester. Yeah.
So

Speaker 4 the way college football is is set up right now, it definitely feels like there's three or four programs that are so far ahead of everyone else that

Speaker 4 it's hard to break in. Do you think this is a cyclical thing, or do you think this is kind of how it's going to be for a while? And

Speaker 4 it just is. Like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, those teams are going to be Oklahoma.
You want to throw in there. They're going to recruit better guys.
They're going to keep it rolling.

Speaker 4 And it's going to be pretty much impossible for other teams to break into that party. Yeah, I'd like to think it was cyclical, but

Speaker 4 other than last weekend, there were some scares,

Speaker 4 and a couple of those teams don't look quite as dominant as they have.

Speaker 4 But all you have to do is look at the last, or since we've played,

Speaker 4 since we've had the CFP, and it's the same three schools the majority of the time, and four of them, much of the time. That's why I'd like to go to eight.

Speaker 4 I wish it were cyclical, but I don't,

Speaker 4 I don't.

Speaker 4 It's a long cycle. We're in a long cycle right now.
Yeah, I don't know if I'd see that next cycle. Yeah, right.
No, I agree.

Speaker 4 They are at a different level in recruiting and doing things at a different level

Speaker 4 that it's kind of crazy.

Speaker 5 I was saying that

Speaker 5 you're now the special advisor to the Big Ten.

Speaker 5 Is that your official title?

Speaker 4 Special Advisor to Football.

Speaker 5 Special Advisor to Football.

Speaker 5 To the sport of football. I love it.
So what's your day-to-day like? You just wake up and you're like, you know what I think would make football a little bit better?

Speaker 4 Now, you know what?

Speaker 4 I'm involved.

Speaker 4 The commissioner and I have regular visits.

Speaker 4 We talk about

Speaker 4 future scheduling. We talk about TV.
We talk about CFP.

Speaker 4 Just the different issues that come up.

Speaker 4 in football that he bounces things off of me.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I've been in the league league since 79, other than three years at Notre Dame, and been involved in a lot of the committees. And so, you know, I'm just a good sounding board for him.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.
I like the fact that we do have football guys in this conversation.

Speaker 5 You have to have a person that has the experience with the sport that's giving feedback on some of these logistical things, like with the talk of

Speaker 5 combining conferences and things like that.

Speaker 5 I want people that have been actually on the ground helping to make these decisions. So as far as something like that goes, you're a lifetime Big Ten guy and you see

Speaker 5 conference realignment is a thing that's happening. Like it or not, it's going to be a thing over the next 10, 15 years.
How do you balance protecting the conference right now with ensuring

Speaker 5 the future financial

Speaker 5 aspects of all the schools that are involved in the conversation?

Speaker 4 Well, you have to see,

Speaker 4 evaluate what they bring to the table.

Speaker 4 What does a specific school bring to the table?

Speaker 4 How do they match our philosophy? Are they broad-based in their thinking as far as sports?

Speaker 4 You know, our league

Speaker 4 believes in a broad-based,

Speaker 4 not just football, broad-based

Speaker 4 for sports throughout, you know, with Olympic sports, et cetera.

Speaker 4 Academically,

Speaker 4 we want somebody that fits.

Speaker 4 And so, all those things. And plus, we need eyeballs, you know, somebody that

Speaker 4 draws, you know, that has a following and

Speaker 4 has viewers that bring something to the table as far as our TV package. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I want to read a story to you real quick because I just want you to comment on it because it's very funny to me. This is from Carlos Fowler.

Speaker 4 He said, Barry was the epitome of, I would say, Tony Soprano. One day he invited all the offensive and defensive linemen out to his house for a barbecue.
We were all excited.

Speaker 4 We think we're going to go chill with Barry out at his house. He had us out there to move his hot tub into his house.
He was truly the godfather of Wisconsin football.

Speaker 4 I think he's exaggerating a bit on that.

Speaker 4 But did they move a hot tub for you? No.

Speaker 4 I've never done that.

Speaker 4 They held once a hot tub in the house.

Speaker 4 That would be a great story, though. I believe it.
Let's just say that that one's true.

Speaker 4 You know what? They all told me that. I used to drive.
I always had it.

Speaker 4 Since I've been here, I've driven a big Cadillac that a local dealer gives me and they always wanted to see what kind of ride they come back now they want to see what kind of ride i have you know so i've heard that forever you know i mean i i can put myself in your shoes and you see these big linemen walking around all day you have to start thinking like i could use these guys for chores around the house the thought has definitely occurred to you at some point i want them to play football for me that's why that's why i brought him here i want to keep them happy i want to feed them and i want them to play their ass off for me what's the uh what's the youngest guy that you've ever offered a scholarship to?

Speaker 4 Like offered a verbal deal?

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 4 I probably never went below it. I can't remember ever offering a sophomore even.

Speaker 4 I've never gone for that. I just,

Speaker 4 you know, we stay

Speaker 4 pretty even keel. You know, junior year, we're going to offer very few sophomores, very few sophomores over the time that I was here.
What's

Speaker 4 so Arch Manning obviously is going to be a big story, his recruiting process. Clearly, he's probably, I'll say 99.9% chance he's not coming to the Big Ten, let alone Wisconsin.

Speaker 4 But how does that work from a recruiting perspective?

Speaker 4 Do you still send him a letter and be like, hey, if for some reason you woke up one day and wanted to come to Wisconsin, you have a full scholarship?

Speaker 4 Like the top, top-level guys, do you just send it and be like, just so you know, you can come here.

Speaker 4 I haven't been in that business for a while, but but absolutely you do. You got to take a shot

Speaker 4 at the top players in the country and see if there's some interest. As a matter of fact, I had his father and sister here.

Speaker 4 His sister, I think, was a sophomore at the time last year, probably the year before last.

Speaker 4 She wanted to come up.

Speaker 4 Cooper wanted to bring his daughter up to see the campus, experience a Big Ten campus, and watch a volleyball game. So I know the family.
Naturally, I nibbled around.

Speaker 4 I had heard about Arch already. I think he was in the eighth grader maybe by then.
But yeah, absolutely. You know, you go after the top guys.
You know, when

Speaker 4 Ron Dane won the Heisman, I decided, you know, we're going to go after the top guys, top running backs in the country and really put a full court press on.

Speaker 4 We'd get a visit out of them, but we couldn't close the deal.

Speaker 4 We just never could do that. So you have to know who you are when you're recruiting.
And the one thing I want to do, I'm going to make damn sure that we get the kids out of our state first.

Speaker 4 For a Division I player, I want to get them. And we happen to have a lot of them this year.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Most of the line.
And I like that because it is,

Speaker 4 it's so fascinating watching college football and different fan bases.

Speaker 4 And I always thought as a Badger fan that the one strength that Wisconsin has always had is knowing who they are and what they are and not trying to deviate from that.

Speaker 4 Because if you have that consistency in a system of like, hey, this is what we do. We run the ball.
This is how we're going to play.

Speaker 4 It can get you a long way. It can get you far without having to try to change everything.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 If we'd be foolish to spread it out five wides and throw the ball all over the field because you know, for us to get that, we're not going to get maybe, we'll get one or two kids from in-state that are high quality Division I skilled players.

Speaker 4 And the further you go away from, the further you go away to recruit, the harder it is to get them.

Speaker 4 they're not going to travel through four or five big ten states to come to your school that's it it's it that's just the way it works yeah so you have to you have to be had use common sense when you recruit uh and whatever you can recruit to now when i was at notre dame i could get into any living room in the country you know you might not be able to sign them they may not be able to get in school there but you can get into the you go after the very cream of the crop and you can get in that living room talking the kid and the parents.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Was it ever possible to get a kid from Texas or Florida, if they came up and they were on campus at Wisconsin on a nice day, if it was sunny, 70 degrees, would that be way more likely to get them than if they came up there and it was 40 and rainy?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I wanted, you know what? If

Speaker 4 I can get them up here spring and summer, we're going to have a real good shot to get.

Speaker 4 Yes. But unfortunately, you know, especially the years when I recruited,

Speaker 4 you know, you'd like to get them to camp in the summer where you can show them the campus.

Speaker 4 But if they didn't come to camp and you're bringing them on campus after Christmas, you know, maybe a little couple before Christmas, but it's going to be January and February when you bring them here.

Speaker 4 You know, they're going to look outside of our student union. We've got a beautiful, beautiful lake, right? Two lakes right there.

Speaker 4 They see those fishing huts out there. Kid asked me one time, he said, I said, how do you like our place? He said, I really like it.

Speaker 4 But I'm really surprised that they haven't developed all that property out there. He's looking at a lake frozen open, the fishing huts on it.

Speaker 4 Oh, I love it.

Speaker 5 I got a kind of a hypothetical situation for you here. Okay.
Let's say it's this Saturday. You're getting ready for the game.

Speaker 5 Paul Chris gets stuck in traffic. The entire coaching staff gets stuck in traffic.

Speaker 5 Your phone rings, and they're like, Barry, coach, we don't have any other options. Our entire coaching staff is not going to be able to make it to the game.

Speaker 5 We've got a chopper for you in your lawn right now. We need you to step up and interim coach one game.
Could you do it?

Speaker 4 Again? Hell yeah.

Speaker 10 That's like riding the bike, boys.

Speaker 4 Yeah, do you miss it?

Speaker 4 I miss the kids. I miss the relationship with the players.
Miss the relationship with your staff.

Speaker 4 That's the thing I miss the most. But I was still close to it.
All those years as the athletic director, my office overlooks practice field. I watch practice every day.

Speaker 4 I've had had the last nine years, I've had grandsons, a grandson on a team. So I felt very close to it.
And,

Speaker 4 you know, so that really helped. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Toughest place to play in the Big Ten.
And then maybe give me the country as well, because you obviously played in a lot of different stadiums.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I say the toughest place in the Big Ten is Iowa.

Speaker 16 Yep.

Speaker 4 And the reason for that is their stands

Speaker 4 are about,

Speaker 4 I mean, they can actually reach over and hit the guy on the bench almost. And they're in those kids' ears now, and they wear them out.

Speaker 4 And if you're not, you know, if you're not into the game or you let you have rabbit ears, they can really affect you.

Speaker 4 That's a hard place, and it's loud enough, even though they're probably seat, I'm guessing,

Speaker 4 60s, mid-60s, and you're going to play in front of 105 at Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan. Michigan Stadium sits back.

Speaker 4 It doesn't have, it's not quite as loud. Ohio State, you know, you've got a track around it.
So there's, you know, you're separated from the stadium.

Speaker 4 Penn State's a loud field, but it's set back also. But I'd say Iowa, as far as around the country, I've never been to Death Valley.
I've never been to

Speaker 4 Florida or Alabama or some of the places LSU where they say is

Speaker 4 they're really tough places to play. But they can't be any tougher than a whiteout at Penn State or Iowa or here or

Speaker 4 100,000-seat stadiums in our league. Yeah, so I'll push back on one because I actually agree with you.

Speaker 4 Iowa City and playing at Iowa, I actually sat, I think, like second row at Iowa for a Wisconsin-Iowa game probably 15 years ago.

Speaker 4 And it was, you basically are on the bench when you're that close because it really is that close.

Speaker 4 The only place I've been to a lot of Big Ten stadiums, the only place that is on a different level is Death Valley on a Saturday night LSU. That is a sound that I don't think I've ever heard before.

Speaker 4 And it actually hurts your ears how loud it is. And we went to a game where LSU scored zero points.
They got shut out by Alabama. So they'd have a lot of cheering going on.

Speaker 4 But before the game, that was the loudest crowd I've ever been a part of and ever seen. But I agree.
I mean,

Speaker 4 every other stadium put it up with every other stadium in the SEC. Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 4 I'd heard about LSU. I'd never been there.
That's why I mentioned it. But

Speaker 4 I'll take your word for it. Yeah, it's something else.
It really is.

Speaker 5 Who's the best player that you've ever coached?

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 4 probably Joe Thomas.

Speaker 4 You know, Joe came in.

Speaker 4 Joe actually wanted to be a two-sport athlete. He played three sports in high school, but he wanted to go to the Olympics and throw the shot and disc.

Speaker 4 But he was very analytical. You know, we had, when he was a true freshman, we were getting ready for the bowl game.
We had some injuries in the defensive line.

Speaker 4 After two practices, all of a sudden, he's in the rotation to

Speaker 4 play defensive line as well as offensive line.

Speaker 4 And, you know, he played, you know, when he got to the league, I think he gave up one sack his rookie year and didn't miss a game for all those years until his very last year in the league.

Speaker 4 But, you know,

Speaker 4 very, very analytical, real smart player, very athletic.

Speaker 4 But he was the best.

Speaker 5 Yeah, have you kind of have you noticed a difference over the years?

Speaker 5 And Joe Thomas is one of the guys I think that was involved in the transition of offensive linemen sometimes becoming less just big, you know, fatter guys and becoming legitimate athletes that are, you know, just kind of these freaks of nature that are able to run faster than a lot of high school wide receivers, but also

Speaker 5 320 pounds.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't think if

Speaker 4 I don't think you see a lot of big fat guys playing. Right.
They're big guys.

Speaker 4 Don't get big fat guys confused with big guys yes uh but uh no we had a kid named aaron gibson who was a mauler and you know we trimmed him down from 420 to about i don't know three

Speaker 4 365 or so and he he was really he's right there with you he you know he wasn't as athletic but he could do a flat out split put his chest on the ground I mean, he was a freak now. He was a player.

Speaker 4 I liked him going against people. Yeah.
So along those same lines, I'd have to imagine, I mean, you are a true football guy. Football is your life.

Speaker 4 Was there ever a better feeling when you get into a game and you just know that there's nothing they can do to stop you from running the ball?

Speaker 4 When it's like, we are bigger and stronger and we're just going to run the ball 20 times in a row and there's nothing they can do about it.

Speaker 4 And I keep telling my offensive coordinator, don't get bored. Just keep handing it off.

Speaker 4 We don't have to get fancy here, we're going to beat the hell out of them, we're going to pound them. Oh, yeah, I love that.
I love that feeling.

Speaker 4 You know, if you can just keep running the ball as a defensive coordinator, you're helpless. You can't do anything.

Speaker 4 You can call anything you want, you can bring as many guys into the box you want, and they still run the ball. It's a long day, man.
Yeah, that's it. It's got to be a great feeling.
All right.

Speaker 4 So, coach, I have one last question. This has been fantastic.
I really appreciate you joining us.

Speaker 4 This is the toughest question.

Speaker 4 As the AD,

Speaker 4 have you gotten over the Duke loss? Because I have not. I have not.
And Duke fans will always say I'm salty about 2015. And I'll say, hell yeah, I'm salty.

Speaker 4 That will never happen again leading halftime of the national championship game. Are you over it? Because maybe you being over could get me over it.

Speaker 4 I'm pissed because the officials changed how they called the game from first to second half. Thank you.
Thank you. Coach K paid him off.

Speaker 4 They didn't pay him off, but I tell you what, that's part of coaching. I give the credit to Coach K.
He warm up. Bo's pretty good.
He does his own fair job of working the officials.

Speaker 4 But Coach K worked him really hard, especially hard, and they changed how they called the game. And I will say that to my dying day.
Okay, so you are exactly like me. You're not over it.
Good.

Speaker 4 I feel good.

Speaker 4 We should have won a national championship. Sorry.

Speaker 4 I feel feel good that because the people will just come at me all the time like dude it's been six years get over it i'm like no i'm not i refuse to get over it i will never ever get over it you don't get there that often right right you got to win when you got a chance oh man small part of me died in that field house that night i say it it's it's still sitting there in the end zone it's just sitting there and it's just never coming back so what are you gonna do That's why they play the games, I guess.

Speaker 4 That's right. Well, that's gamesmanship.
That's part of coaching. Yeah.
If you can influence the officials, that's what you do. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You got to work them. PFD, you want to get them on officially?

Speaker 5 Do you want? So

Speaker 5 as I mentioned earlier, we do the low man trophy every year. So we've got an esteemed crew of fullbacks that currently vote on it.
It's John Kuhn, Lorenzo Neal, just a bunch of guys.

Speaker 5 Alec Ingold, obviously, is on it as a past winner. Can we just say that you're on the committee? You could be on the committee if you want, but we need to get on.

Speaker 4 Absolutely. Okay, great.

Speaker 5 So we're going to start doing our poll.

Speaker 5 I think late November is when we put out the first ballot, and then we announce it mid-December.

Speaker 5 So it's finally an award that recognizes a true fullback position in college.

Speaker 5 All right. Awesome, coach.
We'll be in touch, and we'll get your ballot. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Glad to have you on the committee. And hopefully I'll see you Saturday.
Okay, very good, guys.

Speaker 4 Yeah, if you need anyone to come into the locker room, you know, after a win and, you know, pump everyone up,

Speaker 4 I will be there. So I'll be around.

Speaker 4 I'll send that word to Paul. Yeah, right.
Just let him know. Just let him know.
Or

Speaker 4 Patrick Herb can get me in there. You know, tell him.

Speaker 4 We'll figure it out.

Speaker 4 You're available. Yes, I am available.

Speaker 4 Coach, thanks so much.

Speaker 5 Thanks, Coach.

Speaker 4 All right, guys. Have a good day.
See ya. Good to meet you.

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Speaker 4 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 4 Okay, we now welcome on a legendary guest. It is Garrett McNamara.

Speaker 4 You know him from the HBO docuser called 100 Foot Wave. He also has a book out called Hound of the Sea.
Big wave surfer. Surf the biggest wave in the world.

Speaker 4 I'm just going to say it right now, Garrett. You are the most badass guest we've ever had.
So

Speaker 4 I'm going to say it. Dog the bounty hunter.
No, I think Garrett might be number one because you are surfing the gnarliest waves in the world. You are coming to us from Portugal right now.

Speaker 4 Is that correct?

Speaker 10 Yeah, that means a lot coming from you guys because you are the guys when it comes to sports. And well, I'm here in Portugal at my mama's restaurant.
It's called Celeste, and it's

Speaker 10 just like a fairy tale here in Portugal. It's like just like little dreamland.

Speaker 4 All right, so let's talk actually just we got a lot to talk about your career and everything, but let's just talk about right this second and what you're doing. Are you, you're in Portugal?

Speaker 4 Are you just constantly waiting for a big wave? Are you constantly just staring at the ocean being like, all right, today's the day I'm just going to go out and surf the biggest wave in the world?

Speaker 10 Well, there's a weather forecast that we look at, most surfers, and it changes every

Speaker 10 six hours.

Speaker 10 And I look at it about 10 times in that six hours, even though it didn't change. It's this weird fixation we have on

Speaker 10 just, I don't know why. Look at, why I do know why.
I'd like to see exactly where the storm's coming from and then monitor how it actually affects the swells.

Speaker 10 They all come from a little bit different directions.

Speaker 10 So I'm here in Portugal monitoring the storms coming at us, coming out of the east coast mostly and training two times a day and getting everything ready. The waves will start coming in on the 13th.

Speaker 4 We got a nice little swell.

Speaker 10 And I'm just getting, you know, that we got the jet ski trailers, we have the jet skis, you have the boards, you have the warehouse, you got all the equipment.

Speaker 10 And so, you know, it's really about teamwork and surrounding yourself with the right people and the right energy and having everything prepared.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I was watching the documentary, and it struck me just right off the bat that you have a physical attachment to the ocean. You have, I feel like you're addicted to the ocean.

Speaker 5 Like when you spend too much time away from the sea, do you actually start to miss it? Do you crave the ocean?

Speaker 10 You know, in my younger days, I couldn't handle being out of the water for very long. And it's weird.
These days, I can be out for a while and

Speaker 10 I'll be thinking,

Speaker 10 I'm okay out of the water.

Speaker 10 I can actually be okay not going in the water. And then once I get back in the water, I'm just like, how could I ever think that? It's just the most beautiful, just

Speaker 10 jumping in the water, paddling or getting on the rope and towing and feel just connected to something so much bigger than you and you feel so

Speaker 10 insignificant, but also significant when you think about how we are connected and how we are all so connected and everything is connected by energy.

Speaker 10 And the ocean is just, you know, it's so amazing out there in the ocean.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I did notice you said something that struck me is that you, when you have a big wave, you're not conquering the ocean, you're dancing with the ocean.

Speaker 4 Do you feel when you go out there like days where you feel like, all right, I am fully in tune with the ocean, or days almost like playing basketball, like, oh, my jump shot's on today, or it's not.

Speaker 4 Do you have days where you're like, I'm one with the ocean here, and other days you're like, it's just not jiving. We're not connecting how I want it to.

Speaker 10 There's definitely days like that.

Speaker 10 Whenever I'm out on a really big day of consequence and I'm looking to accomplish something, I do a quick little reset connect to the moment.

Speaker 10 And it's a real basic exercise where I blow all my air out.

Speaker 10 And then a third time I blow it all out

Speaker 10 with my eyes closed. And then

Speaker 10 I open my eyes and just look around and connect to everything and

Speaker 10 see and feel and know that what I'm looking to achieve will come. And that's usually when the wave of my life comes on those

Speaker 5 amazing days when it's different than all the other days the big days or the the perfect days when there's perfect barrels so i i think that you're probably the world's uh foremost expert on like on hunting big waves you're a big wave hunter you know all about it sounds like you've done a lot of research and meteorology and you know the weather patterns and you know how the like topography of a area will affect the size of a swell and all that so you're always on the lookout for big waves but people also they just send you pictures of waves near their houses right that they see and they're like Hey, you might want to come check this out.

Speaker 5 That's how you found the place that you're at right now, Nazareth, right? Somebody just sent you a picture of a wave, and you're like, I need to go conquer that wave.

Speaker 10 I said, I need to go compliment that wave.

Speaker 4 Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 10 First, see if it's possible. Would ask me to check if their wave was big and good.
And if it was big and any good, could I please help promote their town? That was the email. It was crazy.

Speaker 10 Just happens to be it was the biggest wave I've ever seen. And at times, perfection, at other times,

Speaker 10 very unperfect and very challenging. That's what's so special about Nazareth.
You really never know what you're going to get. So it always keeps you on your toes and there's always something new.

Speaker 4 That's crazy. So

Speaker 4 you, for something, for some reason, when you're watching the documentary and when you hear surfers talk, just saying Barrel over and over just gets me pumped up.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 if you should go watch the documentary, it's awesome on HBO. But

Speaker 4 they talked about how you basically retired and then you came back, you fell back in love with it, you tried the regular life for a while, and then you got spat out of one of the most perfect barrels of all time at Jaws, correct?

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 those type of surfs, do you dream about that? Do you like still think about that?

Speaker 4 Because the way everyone was talking about in the docuseries about the barrel and how perfect it was, it got me so pumped up.

Speaker 10 Well, put it this way, I love being in the barrel so much, I named my son Barrel.

Speaker 4 Yes. And

Speaker 10 the barrel is just this place where it seems like time stands still and you're in this perfect, like, I don't know how you, you're in this cave and you're looking out at the either the landscape or the ocean.

Speaker 10 And sometimes the barrel turns and you can't even see out.

Speaker 10 And you can just, it's like time stands still and you're working on on getting out. And when you get spit out of the perfect barrel, there's nothing like it.
Nothing in surfing compares to it.

Speaker 4 How long does that high last?

Speaker 4 Like, how long does it last if you get, if you get spit out of the perfect barrel or you have an 80-foot wave, or maybe when you get, you know, you break the record again, how long does that kind of stick with you?

Speaker 4 Like, and how long does it take to come down to reality? Like, oh my God, I just did that.

Speaker 10 As you're doing,

Speaker 10 getting barreled and you come out and it's just overwhelming. And well, it depends on what barrel, you know, if it's the biggest best barrel of your life.
It's overwhelming. You're on Cloud 9.

Speaker 10 You're having the best day of your life. And the craziest thing about surfing is you can go back out and then...

Speaker 10 somebody drops in on you or your jet ski driver does something you don't like or something just all of a sudden it's a it's a roller coaster ride of emotions you can be as high as you ever been and and it can continue on for days or weeks, especially when you talk about it again.

Speaker 10 But you can also have the total opposite where you get

Speaker 10 the best ride of your life and then

Speaker 10 you're as high as you can be. And then the next wave, something goes wrong, and you're just like, you want to kill somebody.

Speaker 10 So it's an emotional roller coaster and it's really challenging to deal with at times.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 So you're on the hunt for a hundred-foot wave. You're looking to surf the biggest wave possible.

Speaker 5 What happens when you surf the biggest wave in the world? Is there a time period where you just, you sit back and you're like, I did it?

Speaker 5 Or how quickly after that are you out there looking for something new, something bigger than what you've just accomplished?

Speaker 10 One of the most

Speaker 10 satisfying feelings in surfing is pulling up to a wave that nobody's ever surfed. and riding it first for the first time.
And

Speaker 10 all these waves that we know about and we've surfed or friends have surfed, they share with us what they're like and how they break.

Speaker 10 and but when you pull up to a spot by yourself with your buddy and you just start towing in the waves that have never been surfed there's there's no feeling like it it's just so unit's uncharted territory and you don't know what you're getting yourself into and if everything goes right it's just like getting the best barrel of your life so is um is climate change affecting like where the next big waves are going to be have you seen firsthand any evidence of like okay the waves here used to be a little bit smaller now they're bigger or the waves over here are getting a little bit smaller?

Speaker 5 Time to go find a new spot.

Speaker 10 About 15, 20 years ago with this oceanographer friend of mine, Pat Caldwell, we did a, we studied all the charts and all the swell data from like 1960.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 there is really no rhyme or reason to

Speaker 10 the big days and how many big days are going to come in a year. And there is El Niño and there is La Niña.

Speaker 10 El Niño usually has bigger waves in the Pacific and La Niña usually has bigger waves in the Atlantic.

Speaker 10 But there still is no ram or reason and you couldn't get one swell that's the biggest, but you didn't get 10 or 20 swells that year. And climate change,

Speaker 10 there's definitely

Speaker 10 different weather patterns going on. I live on the beach in Hawaii for the last 10 years and I've been monitoring the the shoreline and the way that the swells are affecting it.

Speaker 10 And we had this really strange pattern of north swells for like five years all summer long and it took our beach and last this year we had a bunch of west swells during the summer and the beach stayed so you know i don't know if climate change is making any difference in the storms but there's so much media and so much hype around all the storms that it really uh everybody knows what's going on more everywhere.

Speaker 10 So it seems like climate change is doing, and it could be you know the the way that we're what we're doing to mother earth and how we're just depleting her and just taking and taking and taking and and not and putting so much waste into the environment that it seems like climate change is a real thing but i can't really say that it's affecting the weather patterns gotcha so you you just mentioned your son beryl i think you have two children um or no you have you have more than that you have five kids right

Speaker 4 six six kids

Speaker 4 oh wow congrats well that even speaks more to my question.

Speaker 10 I have five now with one on the way.

Speaker 4 One on the way. Congratulations.
Do you get scared? Do you, do you have moments when you're out there and you're like, wait, I'm, I'm a, a father. I don't, you know, I love surfing, but this is scary.

Speaker 4 I mean, I, I don't know. I read a lot about you and that you are able to conquer your fear or basically just throw it away.

Speaker 4 But like, I would imagine that there's moments where you have to be scared of these waves, no?

Speaker 10 If you're not ready, you haven't prepared, you know, you didn't train properly and you didn't get your lung.

Speaker 10 For me, it's my lung capacity nowadays and a little bit of my, my shoulder injury still hold me back a teeny bit.

Speaker 10 But as long as you prepare, as long as I prepare and I know that I'm physically ready, then I'm not afraid at all.

Speaker 10 But if I'm not physically ready to go into situations that I'm putting myself into, then I do tend to let fear in. Fear is something we choose.

Speaker 10 Fear is when we're thinking about the past or the or the future the past or the future two things that don't exist if we're in the moment really just enjoying the moment doing our best in the moment then there is no fear but i've tend lately i've been letting fear consume me i've been choosing to be afraid because i don't feel physically ready to go where where i want to go so you do so you do wrestle with fear so that it's the uh what's the old point break quote it's like fear causes hesitation and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true.

Speaker 4 Do you do you like that? I mean, it's a surfer movie, I'm sure you've well, it's more of a bank robbing movie.

Speaker 5 That's in Christ debate.

Speaker 4 Like, I don't know, yeah, it could be a Christmas movie, could be one or the other. Which one do you think? What point break? Just a side tangent, bank robbing movie or surfing movie.

Speaker 4 A point break, yeah, is it bank-robbing movie or surfing movie, in your estimation? It's a nice little mix, yeah.

Speaker 10 But if you had to choose one, did a good job, it's really hard to put Hollywood and surfing because the actors, it doesn't work. Big Wednesday, it worked.

Speaker 10 The movie The North Shore is pretty funny and it worked. But Point Break probably was the closest.
Blue Crush was all right, too. They did.

Speaker 10 Those are the two late recent movies, or not recent anymore, but those are the two movies that did pretty well at bridging the gap between Hollywood and surfing.

Speaker 4 So back to the fear thing. What's the longest you've been thrown underwater? Like, what's the longest it has been taken you to come up from a wave when you get tossed?

Speaker 10 I think it was last year here in Nazareth. I was down for like 35 seconds on one wave and I was down for 45 seconds on the second wave.
And

Speaker 10 it was,

Speaker 10 I really enjoyed it. It's in the, it's on episode six.

Speaker 6 You enjoyed it.

Speaker 10 Wow. Okay, I can do this.

Speaker 4 Wait, so talk us through like what happens when you get tossed. You, you're holding your breath.
You're like, are you letting the wave take you?

Speaker 4 And then when the wave is kind of done, has it ever been you swam the wrong direction or you didn't know which way you were facing?

Speaker 10 When after you come up, or when you finally come up, you're dizzy. You don't know which way is which, you're you're still going in circles.
You're trying to gather your senses, and it's all white.

Speaker 10 It's usually all white. And then you're trying to figure out where the big white water is.
That's the next wave coming at you so you can get under it.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 you're totally discombobulated. You don't know

Speaker 10 which way is is in and which way is out until

Speaker 10 it doesn't take too long where you finally refocus, recenter, and then hopefully the next wave didn't roll over you already.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And when you go underwater,

Speaker 5 if you suffer a pretty severe wipeout, you go under,

Speaker 5 this might be a dumb question, but it's because I've never surfed, but I've always wondered, are there times when you don't know which way is up and you're trying to get out of the way, if you're trying to get back to the air?

Speaker 5 Do you ever get actually like disoriented when you're under the water itself?

Speaker 10 Every time. Luckily, nowadays we have not every time, but every time you get spun in different directions, there's a heavy wipeout.

Speaker 10 Sometimes you'll go under a wave and it'll be nice and gentle and you'll get out the back.

Speaker 10 Other times, most of the time, you go down and then it just, it's like a washing machine on spin cycle with King Kong just like

Speaker 10 shaking it around and you don't know which way is up. Luckily, we have so much amazing flotation wetsuits, flotation gear, and inflation vests that we have underneath.

Speaker 10 With body glove, I've made the best flotation suit there is.

Speaker 10 And with Patagonia, they made the best inflation.

Speaker 10 And so

Speaker 4 we

Speaker 4 the

Speaker 4 will get pulled up. Well, whether we know which way up or not, we're getting pulled up.
So all of a sudden, we figure it out.

Speaker 4 Go ahead, Piety.

Speaker 5 What was the biggest wave that you've ever body surfed?

Speaker 10 You know, it's a funny fact that I'm kind of allergic to saltwater.

Speaker 4 What? What?

Speaker 10 I pull in and I can't really stay in the water that long. So

Speaker 10 I'm not much of a body surfer.

Speaker 4 Wait, really?

Speaker 4 You're allergic to saltwater and you're a big wave surfer? Professional surfer?

Speaker 4 Just try not to wipe out. As long as I'm above the water, I'm fine.
That's actually great motivation.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's like, well, if I wipe out, I'm just going to be itchy. So I better stay on this damn board.

Speaker 10 On the fear topic,

Speaker 10 I do agree with the point break quote, but it also keeps you sharp and focused if you're afraid so you don't you don't like almost like a cat out of water

Speaker 10 or cat you're just more sharp and more focused and it it it helps you to make waves like when i don't have fear i almost surf with this carefree abandonment like oh yeah it's fine no problem if i wipe out and then as long as you don't get hurt it's fine but i've got a few injuries lately so i'm really going to focus on not wiping out anymore and making my waves before i would focus on making my waves but i would put it all on the line for that ultimate ride i would go as deep as possible i'd wait till the last second like you can let go of that rope and you can run to the shoulder and make the wave easily or you can let go that rope and fade back and then for lack of a better word, taunting and more of playing and dancing and complimenting and riding the wave the best it can be ridden.

Speaker 10 And that's riding it as deep as possible, but making it.

Speaker 4 That's That's crazy. So, you, you, I, the one thing I, that struck me in the docuseries is you're basically like, listen, anyone can surf, but not anyone can surf big waves.

Speaker 4 You have no interest in like a 30-foot wave. You just, you're, you're out for the ultimate, truly, right?

Speaker 10 You know, if it's perfect, these days, I like perfect waves. If the waves are perfect and they're 30 feet, I'll be out there and have enough time of my life.

Speaker 10 If it's 50, 60, 80, I'll be patient and waiting for the right days. I have a little, I didn't have patience in my younger days.

Speaker 10 In the last five years, I've learned to be patient and learned to wait and choose my days and my waves. And I don't have to surf every wave anymore.
Like there was a giant swell that just hit Tahiti.

Speaker 10 It was the biggest, best, one of the biggest, best days they've ever had. I looked at it.
I could have gotten on the plane. I had the, you know, the resources to make it there.

Speaker 10 and I chose not to. And my wife said, why did you tell me about that swell? I would have sent you.
And I'm like, I'm pretty happy right here.

Speaker 10 Back in the day, if I had the means to make it to that swell and I didn't go, I would have been so depressed. I would have been on suicide watch.
I would have been so angry.

Speaker 10 So I've, you know, I don't know. I guess

Speaker 10 I'm learning.

Speaker 10 practicing acceptance a lot more and practicing enjoying wherever I am and not having having to be on every wave, every swell all over the world.

Speaker 10 And I'm really focusing on Nazare and and when that giant day does come, I don't want to be splattered on the reef in Tahiti a week before the biggest swell ever came.

Speaker 4 Yes. Well, you don't want to die for many reasons, but yeah, I like that.
You're like,

Speaker 4 I don't want to be splattered on a reef, not because of my family and everyone who loves me. No, because I might miss the next week, the biggest wave of all time.

Speaker 4 You realize what you just said is crazy. I love it, but it is crazy.

Speaker 10 Yeah, the family definitely entered the mind too.

Speaker 4 Okay, all all right, there we go. There we go.

Speaker 4 I gave you an opening there. So, wait, you just said your younger days.
What's the craziest back-to-back trip? Like, you were in Australia one day and the next day you were here. Like, what?

Speaker 4 Because you just, you chased waves everywhere. No matter what, you just, if you had the resources, you'd get on a plane, you'd be there ready for that storm.

Speaker 4 So, what, what's the craziest like stretch you had or back-to-back days?

Speaker 10 Well, first, I was kind of like a hitman. I would, I would see the swell coming, I would fly there, I would surf it, and I would leave the next day.

Speaker 10 And so that was like my strategy, get there, get it, get out, and get back to the family.

Speaker 10 And then we decided to try and work on surfing a wave that started in Hawaii, and then we went over to Mavericks. So JAWS, Mavericks, and then Totos Santos, Mexico.
And that was the three.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that was the one, two. Yeah, but there's another one that we've been looking at.
And there's the swells start in in the east coast, actually more in the islands off of Cuba.

Speaker 10 There's storms that generate start there, and then they spin towards Puerto Rico, and then they go to Florida, and then they go up the coast all the way to New York and Nova Scotia, and over towards Ireland, and then they come back to Portugal, and then they hit Morocco.

Speaker 10 You could actually chase that storm and surf it as many times as possible. If it's moving slow, you could surf it so many times.

Speaker 5 I like that. Like following a band around the country.
You follow this, the greatest storm. So you're going like island hopping, almost like getting ahead of the storm a little bit.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's what we don't chase the storm. We get in front of the storm.
When people are boarding up their houses, we're flying in.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Incredible.
So, how high do you think the waves can get in Nazare?

Speaker 10 Huh? You know,

Speaker 10 I'd say on the perfect day, it's got to be able to get at least 120 feet. It's interesting, though.
It seems that the bigger waves are a little further inside.

Speaker 10 They're not the ones that go way outside. The ones in between first and second peak, there's this middle peak that just gets magnified and intensified with the current and with the wedge.

Speaker 10 And it seems to be where the biggest peaks, and it doesn't have to be the biggest swell. Now, we haven't really had a swell over

Speaker 10 10 meters or over with the perfect conditions. I'm really interested and excited and can't wait.
We've had a lot of swells about 80 feet, not much higher.

Speaker 10 There could have been some 90 footers in there.

Speaker 10 It's when it gets a little bigger,

Speaker 4 it'll break. Like

Speaker 10 if it does break further out, it's a lot safer wave and it could be a lot bigger, but I'm really interested to see what it does once it gets that big and breaks further out.

Speaker 10 Now that I say it's a lot safer because it goes straight into the channel, into a thousand feet of water. So you'll finish the wave and it disappears.

Speaker 10 That's on the right. If you go left, you finish the wave and there could be 100 waves on your head.

Speaker 4 It's crazy. It's crazy.
This has been awesome. We really appreciate it, Garrett.
Everyone, go check out his book. It's Hound of the Sea.
His HBO docuseries, 100 Foot Wave. Cannot recommend it enough.

Speaker 4 My last question before we let you go. Is there a number in your mind in terms of height of a wave where you would say, if I do this wave, I'm done.
I'm retired. That's it.
I reached it.

Speaker 4 I reached the pinnacle.

Speaker 10 I think 120 would do it, but I could only do that without with my with the

Speaker 10 with my team and with Andrew Cotton is my

Speaker 10 number one. And if I'm not on it, I'd like to be putting him on it.
And, you know, I'm only as good as my team.

Speaker 10 My wife is always up there in the lighthouse with the walkie-talkie ship-to-shore communication. And

Speaker 10 yeah, it's really what I'd like to say, it's really all about who you surround yourself yourself with, the energy you choose to surround yourself with, your team.

Speaker 10 And we all know the team can be two or three people or it can be 100 people, depending on your program.

Speaker 4 Wow. Yep.
Incredible. Well, thank you so much, Garrick.
Best of luck on this swell coming up. And everyone, go check out the docuseries by the book because fascinating.

Speaker 4 The

Speaker 4 baddest ass guy we've ever had on this show.

Speaker 10 You guys are too much butter, too much butter.

Speaker 4 Well, good luck. Thanks so much.
I'll take it.

Speaker 10 I'll take it. And I hope you guys come to Nazare.
I'm telling you, come to Nazareth. I'll take you out on the skis and you will love it.

Speaker 4 No, thank you.

Speaker 5 I'll take a rain check on that one.

Speaker 4 All right. See you, man.
See you.

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Speaker 4 All right, let's wrap up. We got Fire Fest of the week.
Then we'll send everyone along.

Speaker 4 Reminder, college football show, pregame show is live from 1200 South Lakeshore Drive in Chicago for Wisconsin-Notre Dame. Also, Sunday will be at Aurora.
Then I'll be flying back for Sunday's show.

Speaker 4 So, Hank.

Speaker 4 Your fire fest of the week.

Speaker 4 Uh-oh.

Speaker 7 No, I don't. My fire fest, I've said this probably a few times over the years, just sometimes I do have a fire fest, and then sometimes weeks like this where I don't really have anything.

Speaker 7 I feel like it delegitimizes my real fire fest when I just kind of force one.

Speaker 4 You could have one, though. He's trying to

Speaker 4 positively. You know what? You could do a...

Speaker 7 Like, my biggest fire fest, the thing that, like, is the biggest trouble in my life is you guys.

Speaker 4 So it's like, what?

Speaker 4 Oh, wow. Okay, my fire fest is not that bad.
My fire fest is that Hank is maddest about something.

Speaker 5 No, here's what my fire fest is. Hank's maddest about something.

Speaker 4 No, no, no.

Speaker 7 There's nothing wrong. It's like day-to-day, my life is great.
The only time I catch heat is like when I come in and you guys are just like, oh.

Speaker 4 What is that?

Speaker 4 Can you explain what

Speaker 4 it is? Hank, did you train this good beat up today?

Speaker 5 Hank, we haven't said anything like that today.

Speaker 4 No, I asked him if your trainer beat you up yesterday. Do you want me to stop asking you how you played when you golf?

Speaker 4 I am genuinely curious how you played when you golf. It's like a normal thing to ask someone.

Speaker 7 But yesterday, you're like, how many, or like, what'd you play? And I was like, I didn't even play.

Speaker 4 Were you not playing yesterday? Was it a simulator? I took a lesson. Oh, okay.
So I. I will never bring up golf again.
No, I. What's your swing coach's name?

Speaker 5 I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 I apologize. I literally wanted to.
No, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 My point was that, again,

Speaker 4 I was not saying that. I'm not conscious about playing too much golf.

Speaker 7 No, I'm not. It's just that I there's no again, my entire point of this is I have no firefest.
Everything's all good. If there was one thing that would be a

Speaker 5 he'd have a new job and work with different co-workers. Yes.

Speaker 4 He hates our guts. Okay.
And we never want to.

Speaker 7 All right. Well, you guys are getting old anyway.

Speaker 4 I'll never. Yeah, I mean, Billy, this is why Billy's here.
Can you stop it, guys? Like, seriously.

Speaker 4 I mean, you started that. I didn't.

Speaker 4 I was basically...

Speaker 5 You know what's crazy is that for the first time in a really long time, life expectancy in the U.S. has gone down.
Oh, and so Billy. Didn't think because of COVID, though?

Speaker 5 No, I think it was before COVID it went down, but it's definitely ticked down further this year. Billy's definitely looking at us like, yeah, those two.

Speaker 4 That's idiots like us for not going to the dentist. Yep.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's why Billy's like, just don't go.

Speaker 4 Yeah, just don't go.

Speaker 4 Hank, I will no longer ask you about your golf game or your training game or anything ever.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Great.

Speaker 5 Great. So your swing coach, you said, was named Daniela?

Speaker 7 Dan.

Speaker 5 Or Danny.

Speaker 7 Shout out to Dan. Dan and I.
Five Iron Golf. Great place.

Speaker 6 All right. Nice.

Speaker 4 I would comment, but I'm not allowed to.

Speaker 8 No, you're allowed to pick it. You can do and say whatever you want.

Speaker 4 No, I don't.

Speaker 4 Are you going to make a series?

Speaker 5 You should try to break 100.

Speaker 5 I don't think you can do it.

Speaker 4 I'm staying out of this.

Speaker 4 I don't converse on your golf game. I didn't ask.

Speaker 7 See, this is where, again, again, this is an example.

Speaker 4 I was genuinely being like a friend, being like, how'd you golf?

Speaker 7 And I didn't really make all I said is like, that was just an example of like, you know,

Speaker 4 okay, got it. So I'll cut out the little.

Speaker 5 I did love the impression, though.

Speaker 4 That's what I walk into. Do it one more time.

Speaker 4 Hey, what's up, guys?

Speaker 7 How are you doing? Is there anything I can do for you?

Speaker 4 Hey, cool.

Speaker 4 Timeout. Timeout.
Wait, Big Cat just actually did it. Timeout.

Speaker 6 Well, I hate pursuing the impression.

Speaker 4 You made the noise. Yeah, timeout.

Speaker 4 I don't think you've ever, in the decade that I've known you, walked in saying, hey, what's up, guys? Anything I can do for you?

Speaker 7 Well, yeah, you've already done it. I'm like, hey, here's the stuff.

Speaker 4 Here you go. Here's your coffee.
Here's your water. Oh, yeah.
Here's your prep sheet. You're always getting that.

Speaker 4 Oh, okay.

Speaker 5 I think it's the best with the prep sheets.

Speaker 4 I'll be better on not asking you about it.

Speaker 5 I did ask you to be better.

Speaker 8 I think you're great.

Speaker 7 I think you're perfect.

Speaker 4 Oh, thanks.

Speaker 7 Appreciate it. So I'm not asking you to do that.

Speaker 4 So don't act like I did ask that.

Speaker 5 That's another way of doing it. Oh, you're nice.

Speaker 5 Oh, what am I?

Speaker 4 You're nice.

Speaker 4 All right, PFT.

Speaker 5 My Fire Fest of the week is Ice.

Speaker 5 It's maybe a very relatable Firefest because I set a goal and I didn't reach it.

Speaker 4 Oh, no.

Speaker 5 I failed at a goal.

Speaker 4 And also,

Speaker 5 all the people out there that said, you know, it's better to set goals because even if you don't accomplish your goals, you still will have accomplished something. They're full of shit.

Speaker 5 Fuck those people. So, I said at the start of the summer I was going to learn the entire Free Bird solo, which I battled through, including a pretty much broken finger, trying to learn how to play it.

Speaker 5 And I was not able to do it. Summer ended two days ago.
Damn. And I was not able to do the entire thing.
I'm like 80% of the way there, 90% of the way there, but I can't play it all the way through.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 it feels bad not being able to achieve a goal. So let this be a lesson to everybody.
Don't try. Yep.

Speaker 4 Ever. That's a very good lesson.

Speaker 5 At anything. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Stomach.

Speaker 4 And you could fail.

Speaker 4 All right, my Firefest. Well, I had a Firefest, but

Speaker 4 I can't use it now because I have to be nice to Hank.

Speaker 7 No, see that. No, it says who?

Speaker 4 No, my can't lose parlay. Hank got in my head about the Steelers.
So it's guaranteed that the one I submitted is going to win and the one that

Speaker 4 everyone's going to bet is going to lose. So

Speaker 7 whatever. It's fine.
What's the one you submitted?

Speaker 4 It was Steelers, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, all to win, and over 48.5 in the Bucs Rams game. I switched it.
Now it is

Speaker 4 Ravens, Cardinals, Chiefs to win, and the over 47.5 in the Bucs Rams game. So

Speaker 4 Jay God.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 it's fucked.

Speaker 5 But you know what?

Speaker 4 It's about the friends we made along the way. Agreed.
Yeah, so

Speaker 4 we're good. We're great.
We're Gucci.

Speaker 15 So Gucci.

Speaker 4 So, so Gucci. Gucci man.
Insanely Gucci.

Speaker 7 Fresh out the pen.

Speaker 4 Ah, Billy, your Fire Fest of the week.

Speaker 11 So I finally figured out how to pay my power bill. But

Speaker 11 turns out the person who's living where I'm living now didn't pay their power bill for the whole year. So it was a common problem.

Speaker 11 The person who moved in the year before me didn't know how to pay their power bill. But anyway, the power company thinks that I've been living there for the past year.

Speaker 11 So I have to figure out a way to prove that I just moved in.

Speaker 4 Let's skull fuck him.

Speaker 11 Besides my lease, I need to

Speaker 11 prove to them that I didn't live there.

Speaker 5 Haven't you been blogging your move with Ben Mintz? Can you submit a blog as evidence? I don't know.

Speaker 11 But that's the type of paperwork type stuff that I really have.

Speaker 4 Have them just.

Speaker 7 You signed a lease at the barn, didn't you?

Speaker 11 No, I didn't.

Speaker 4 That's why.

Speaker 4 There's no previous lease. Have them call me and I'll just be like, yeah, it was really annoying when he lived an hour away and he was never here.

Speaker 4 And I'll just get mad and then they'll be like, all right, this guy's telling the truth. Okay.

Speaker 11 But it's like weird. I have to submit paperwork.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 6 Just have him call me.

Speaker 11 Paperwork stresses me out. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 Paperwork is the worst thing in the world. Just like writing...

Speaker 6 Anything.

Speaker 4 Any paperwork ever.

Speaker 11 And like submitting several documents.

Speaker 4 It's awful.

Speaker 5 Do you know who the old guy's name was?

Speaker 11 Yes, because I sometimes get his mail.

Speaker 10 I don't open it.

Speaker 4 Uh-huh. I leave it.
Mail frog.

Speaker 5 You got to sign that guy up for a bunch of weird shit. You got to put him on all the mailing lists.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 5 You got to get back at him. Or why don't you just keep going what he's been doing and then make the next person pay your late bill.

Speaker 4 I know.

Speaker 11 They would have never known if it wasn't for me being a good citizen.

Speaker 4 Yeah. He has fucked up.
All right. Tell him to call me.
I'll figure it out for you.

Speaker 4 I promise. I promise.
I actually would love to get in a fucking argument online. No, I'm serious.

Speaker 4 Like if you can get me on, I don't want to, I don't want to be on hold, but if you can get me the call, if you can get me someone on the phone, I would love, love, love to get in a good fucking sparring match.

Speaker 11 No, it's more like I got to like submit several documents to prove it when I only have like one.

Speaker 4 Okay. All right.
I will help though. I officially will help.
Jake.

Speaker 13 My Fire Fest is that my building constantly leaks from the roof.

Speaker 13 It just feels like it's raining all the time when you're walking in it.

Speaker 4 Is that a medical water? Disgusting. Wait, that sucks.
Where? In your

Speaker 13 walking inside. So you're out on the street on the corner of the apartment.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 4 onto the street. Yes.

Speaker 4 Got it.

Speaker 5 Mystery water is one of the finer things about living in the city of New York.

Speaker 4 You guys go to the, there's a, at the Starbucks next to our office, there's a fucking

Speaker 4 air conditioner right above the door, and it just, I got drenched.

Speaker 13 Yeah, you just get wet every time you walk in.

Speaker 5 It's awful.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 4 When you do it on the street, I'm not going to say it, Jake.

Speaker 4 I know where you're going with that one. But yeah, I get wet.
You do it. You do get wet.
Jake, I know you like to get wet. Yeah.
All right. Billy, anything that we missed?

Speaker 11 Yeah, the fire on top of the Saints Stadium was caused by a pressure washer that exploded due to the gasoline getting too hot on the top.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 11 I know that was something that we were concerned about. We didn't mention it on the show, but I figured it out.

Speaker 4 Okay. Took a note.
So they fix it?

Speaker 4 Yeah. The fire's out.

Speaker 11 One guy got minor burns.

Speaker 5 Okay. Thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 11 Okay, so Zach Wilson and Trevor Lawrence, and they're both in their two starts, have less picks than Peyton Manning did in his first two starts.

Speaker 4 There we go. Yeah.
Huge. Huge.
All right. That it?

Speaker 11 I'm not a drug guy.

Speaker 4 Okay, good to point out. Yeah.
Didn't ask, but that's good to point out.

Speaker 5 Billy Eight Ball.

Speaker 4 Yeah. No.
No, don't. Stop.

Speaker 6 Don't start that.

Speaker 4 PFD. Stop.

Speaker 4 What was it? Billy Eight Ball.

Speaker 6 Don't start that.

Speaker 11 My weight loss has nothing to do with drugs.

Speaker 4 Okay, numbers. 97.

Speaker 4 94.

Speaker 4 Six.

Speaker 4 18.

Speaker 15 69.

Speaker 15 Groundhogs are the same as woodchucks.

Speaker 4 Duh.

Speaker 4 One.

Speaker 4 We haven't had one in a. Oh, you know what this means?

Speaker 4 I mean, if you don't bid on the bears after we just pulled one in Justin Fields, number one, come on. The signs, they're everywhere.

Speaker 5 That's not scored, Gami, is it, Jake?

Speaker 13 Third time.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 7 Love you, guys. Lions, Tigers, and Bears.
Parlay.

Speaker 7 Talking away

Speaker 7 I'm the one

Speaker 7 to say I'm saved anyway

Speaker 4 Today isn't my day to find you shy away

Speaker 4 Oh, I'll be coming for your love, okay

Speaker 4 Shy ain't away

Speaker 4 Oh, I've been coming for your love Okay

Speaker 4 Take

Speaker 4 me

Speaker 4 I'll be

Speaker 4 gone

Speaker 4 and I'll take

Speaker 4 our

Speaker 4 settings but be stone

Speaker 4 away.

Speaker 4 Cause I really learned that life is okay.

Speaker 4 Say after me.

Speaker 4 It's no better to be safe than sorry.

Speaker 4 Say up to me.

Speaker 4 It's no better to be safe than sorry.

Speaker 4 Take

Speaker 4 on

Speaker 4 me.

Speaker 4 Take

Speaker 4 me.

Speaker 4 I'll be

Speaker 4 gone

Speaker 4 in a day of truth

Speaker 4 All the things that you say

Speaker 4 just to play my worries away

Speaker 4 You're all the things I've got to remember

Speaker 4 You shine away

Speaker 4 I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 4 Be shy and away.

Speaker 4 I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 4 Baby,

Speaker 4 come

Speaker 4 take

Speaker 4 me.

Speaker 4 I'll be

Speaker 4 gone

Speaker 4 in a earthly

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