Logic The Rapper, Deion Sanders & Mt Rushmore Of Animals We Want To See Fight

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We have Deion Sanders off his big win, Jackson State home opener,

and also talking about Gilly getting a 15-yard penalty on the sideline.

And then we have Logic, the rapper. Awesome interview with him.
He's got a new book out. Go check it out.
We have Mount Rushmore, the finale of Mount Rushmore season. We let Billy decide the topic.
So just wait for that because it's very Billy and it's going to be very good. We have Hot Seat, Cool Throne.
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Today is Wednesday, September 8th, and we're back, baby.

That's it. We're back.

Two days in a row.

I don't know how Mike and Mike did it every day for all those years, Big Cat.

We were just here.

So not a lot has happened since we were last here.

Other than the excitement of actually getting into post-Labor Day,

like this is truly the season, it feels good.

It feels good.

Summer's over.

Sorry.

Sorry.

Anyone who says summer last past Labor Day is a loser.

We're so fucking pissed.

Summer's over.

We're so fucking pissed.

That's right.

No, it technically lasts until the 21st,

but if you're really going out there and hitting the lake in late September. Dude, you catch me in the Hamptons week one NFL season.
No, thank you. Nope.
Nope. I'm done wearing white.
Yep. Same with me.
My booty won't be popping. I think this is a sign of, you know, me growing up in my age.
But as, you know, the vacation guy, the summer guy, this is one of the first years where I'm like excited that the summer's over and I'm excited for the fall to happen. Whoa.
Hank is, by the way, I think people have picked up on some of the clues, but Hank is definitely going through his quarter-life crisis, and it's great. He's got a trainer.
He's working on his golf game. I would say that's more breakup-related, but quarter-life-related works.
Yeah, quarter-life is right around when everyone's like, oh, okay. The time period between 26 and 29, everyone goes through a moment where they're like, wait, so what's the deal here? Time to grow up, yeah.
Yeah, that's when I first switched to PPR, fantasy football. Exactly.
It was a big change. Half a point.
You never look back. Huge.
Wouldn't Hank live until like 120? Yeah, I was going to say, doing the math on that, Hank is basically like a Galapagos sea tortoise. Yes.
Well, quarter life, I mean, you just say quarter life. I mean, 100.
100. You can live to 100.
Yeah, fuck it. It's also, he's got a trainer.
Yeah. How's she doing? Dude, they don't know how long we're going to live.
I think it's a HIPAA violation that I told you guys something off the air and you've just blown up my spot every show. I don't appreciate it whatsoever.
Think about this, though. They don't know how long we're going to live.
We've never had a generation that has had all these medical advances. We could live forever.
I'm done telling you guys about my life. Okay.
They think the first person to live to 200 has already been born. Hell yes, Billy.
Do we know who it is? What study said that? But they know that.

Who said that?

So they've already been born.

There have been studies that have been done.

No, Big Cat, you didn't read the studies that Billy read.

It just came out.

But seriously, they don't know how long we're going to live.

I mean, like our grandparents lived to their 70s and 80s,

and they were eating bacon and egg.

Unless they lived around elevators.

Yeah, they had a very, very long life expectancy.

But right now, I feel like it's been 77 years for the last 60 years. What's up, scientists? That's why I don't trust this whole Billy football study that just came out.
200. That's a big gap.
I love it, too. Did we just miss like 120 through 140? Maybe.
Because right now, the oldest person in the world, if you were to guess off the top of your head, how old do you think the oldest person in the world is? 110. How old is Lou Holtz? It's probably 10 years older than Lou Holtz.
It's probably some... Yeah, it's probably some 4'5 Italian woman who's been eating pasta and drinking wine every day, and like, you know, she's just living off the land and it's a beautiful existence beautiful existence what the world's oldest person is 118 years old it's kane tanaka of japan oh see that's that that doesn't impress me that much all that's a good thing for you pfts sure people definitely live longer yeah because we don't have this mass to like pump all the blood through their life is significantly worse because they live their whole life as short people not they do live longer close to the ground better pad level um all right so wait what's his name tanaka kane tanaka and he's she she is probably what five feet tall four four seven still what were you gonna say hank say it say it say it hank no Say it.
Say it, Hank. Say it.
Nope. Just say it.
What? Nothing. Don't rob the people of this.

Say it, Hank.

Come on. You've got a take.
I don't. I have nothing to say.
Don't. Oh, my God.
You're robbing the people. You're withholding takes on this show now.
This is not fair. Yeah.
Stop blowing up my personal life, and I'll start giving you my takes. You have a trainer.
It's a woman. Hippah.
Hank's getting in shape. All right.
Let's talk talk So we're going to do the Mount Rushmore in a second We have two great interviews PFT, you mentioned Jerry O'Connell has drafted our team for us How did he do? He did Good question, Big Cat He just used auto-draft I knew he was going to do that No, he tried He was texting was texting me all night on Friday, all morning on Saturday. I got him logged in, and then like 15 minutes after the draft, the entire thread started blowing up, people being like, is anybody else not able to draft? But to Jerry's credit, he did not make the draft on time.
That might be – who knows? I'm just going to blame Yahoo on this one. But he's been very active on trade he's already trying to trade he's proposed like 7 different trades to the point where I've got Turtle blowing up the thread for the entire group being like Jerry just sent me the most offensive trade request that I've ever seen that's how you negotiate out of the deal he's shooting But here's who's on our team right now.
Nobody cares. Tom Brady, A.J.
Brown, Tyler Lockett, Christian McCaffrey, Chase Edmonds, Darren Waller, Robert Woods. Oh, this is a good team.
Joe Burrow. This is a good team.
Duke Johnson, Cole Beasley, Justin Tucker. You know what? I bet you Jerry probably drafted Justin Tucker first.
This is a decent team. Then Washington defense and special teams.

I like our team.

I like our team a lot, too.

I like our team a lot.

Right now, we've got some pending transactions.

He's got seven different pending transactions.

What's the most offensive one he sent?

He's big time trying to trade a lot of people for one good player.

I love it.

That's how you win in fantasy.

So, let's see.

There's only enough roster spots.

Oh, he's trying to trade for Patrick Mahomes. That's good.
Yep. Shoot high.
Patrick Mahomes is good. Every single trade that we have out there, we have at least one more player offered in the transaction than we'll be receiving.
I hope Florio listens to this segment just punching air. Yeah.
You like that? So our team is Jerry's kids. And Jerry, don't fuck this up.
Don't fuck this up. Don't fuck it up.

Jerry's a sweet guy.

He keeps asking me who he can Venmo.

I don't think he realizes that he's just a figurehead.

And that we're sponsored by Cash App.

Yeah.

So maybe just shoot him back that and see what he says.

Yeah, but that's our team right now.

All right.

Any other news? Well, there was some news.

Blake Bortles, there was a report out of the Broncos.

So tell me the exact story. Well, this is very hilarious.
It's still speculation. Speculation.
It's speculation right now. Free Blake.
But allegedly, remember that game last year when it was the Broncos against the Saints and everybody kept saying, like, how come the Ravens got their game just postponed for a couple days? Right. And the Broncos had to play it with no quarterbacks on the roster.
All four of their quarterbacks were deemed close contacts. There's a report that Blake had a great idea because he's thinking outside the box.
He's a problem solver. And he said, why don't we take the tracking devices that we wear and just put them in the four corners of the room and that way everybody will think that we're socially distanced.
I love it. Blake's a people person.
Yep. He gets energized by being around the fellas.
Yep. And so they did that.
They got caught on the videotape. It was shown that they were all sitting together.
And then Roger Goodell said, well, I'm not going to make an exception for you guys. Now, the report that Blake was the mastermind about it is still the one.
It's still it's from uh that albright guy oh no fuck that then that's not the real no then they're framing blake therefore it's that guy's yeah that guy's worse it's a setup blake's been set up blake has been totally set up he is totally totally innocent and it's it's a shame that they're blackballing him they're blakeballing him from the NFL. He's not on a roster, and he should be.

He will be on a roster, I'm sure of it, as soon as we can clear his name.

That's why we wanted to discuss it on this show,

only to make sure that people knew that it wasn't real.

I didn't realize it was from that guy.

That guy's the worst.

We should sue him.

We should sue that guy.

We should sue that guy.

If they don't sign Blake Bortles, we should sue that guy.

Consider a lawsuit filed.

Unless, of course, Blake was actually the one who did it.

Then we'd say that was a solid friend move.

We're posturing at this point.

But I'll say if Blake had done that, it shows two things.

One, that he is a problem solver.

And again, thinking outside the box, trying to figure out how to hang out with the fellas.

And two, the fact that the entire quarterback room went along with it shows me that Blake is a leader. Right.
And so they were all looking up to Blake as the alpha in that group, furthering the reasons why he should be on an NFL roster right now. Okay, so I'm looking right now.
So he just tweeted about it. Like, this is bullshit.
This is libel. This is slander.
This is hearsay. Any other words?

It's disgusting. Disgusting.
All of it. It's fugazi is what it is.
Fugazi, fugazi. Also, Billy, he's a troop, so you're the only one that's allowed to engage him in mutual combat, given your experience.
You can do it. Didn't you actually tell us one time that your hands are registered at lethal weapons? Because you watched Conair.
That was right after he sent an email to me and Dave and asked if there's any rules against having his trainer bring a handgun to Ruffin Rowdy. I mean, that's it.
When you register as a professional boxer, which I had to do, you technically do not get a manslaughter charge. If you were to punch someone and they were to die, you'd get a murder charge.
Ah, again, various. do that yeah what about washington mutual combat uh i don't know if that's what if you half punch a guy and he throws out his shoulder no then it's assault with a death that's a win that's just a fucking assault with a deadly weapon what if a guy punches you and then breaks his hand are you in trouble because your jaw's too strong no i have no idea i was just told that probably would keep me from getting into a fight outside of the ring, which I don't want to do.
All right, let's do our Mount Rushmore. Our final Mount Rushmore of the season.
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Okay, Mount Rushmore. Billy, introduce it.
This is the finale of Mount Rushmore season. Football is fully, fully back on Thursday, which, by the way, we're going to have Pete Prisco on for Friday, and we're going to record, obviously, after the game for—we're going to have Fantasy Fuckboys back.
We're going to have some I Have the Can't Lose Parleys back. I'm fucking pumped.
You know what? If you're listening to the sound of my voice right now, all you have to do is make it through one more day, and then it's football season and then it's football season let's fucking go so billy the mount rushmore is animal face-offs animal face-offs so there used to be a television program back when i was a kid called the animal face-offs it was my favorite and it would just have like simulations of different animals fighting each other and i thought it would be great to make a mount rushmore of animals you want to see fight. So animals we want to see engage in combat.
So under the rules of this Mount Rushmore, humans are not allowed. Humans are not allowed.
Billy initially wanted to allow not only humans, but also humans that are dead. Right.
To be brought back to life to fight in these hypotheses. And he wants to do dinosaurs, which I think we should not allow either.
I know dinosaurs. We're going to do strictly animals that are currently alive and not extinct, not including humans.

Okay.

Got it.

Okay.

And all right.

Perfect.

Great.

Let's do it.

Numbers.

50.

17.

29.

69.

Oh.

I didn't think you were going to do that. That's good, Billy.
That's good. I get it.
You always force me to choose it because everyone picks under 50. 66.
Good job, Billy. Billy.
Am I getting hanked with the numbers? No. Yeah, dude.
We're totally faking it. Because you guys all pick under under 50 and then i have the largest span of numbers to pick i pick 50 right so i pick 69 so i'm closer to most numbers than you are you explain how you won that perfectly okay do the order we're gonna go first then hank then pft then me all right and how is jilly Jilly doing? Came in dead last.
No, no, no. I'm saying, forget that.
I'm saying, how are they doing? We haven't won in a long time, but we do not have the lowest point. But do you feel strong about this? Are you guys working well as a team? What does that even mean? There's a stat of the total percentage of votes or something.
So wait, you're

saying you're

undervalued as far as the computers go.

It's still a tag team, but this is

Billy's moment. Yes, it really

is. He has to win this.

It's like you

on the clay court right now.

We're just here for a good

time. Billy, you

really have to win this one.

No pressure, though.

If I don't, that's going to

Thank you. Yeah, we're just here for a good time.
Billy, you really have to win this one.

No pressure, though.

If I don't, that's going to be terrible. I may retire from Mount Rushmore's.

It's going to affect your legacy.

It's going to be terrible.

Okay, so one of one.

We're going Silverback Gorilla versus Grizzly Bear.

Okay.

Nice.

Good pick.

Nice.

Who wins?

I didn't do specific animals like that. Okay.
All right. I had that, but I just didn't know.
I just had bear versus gorilla. But yes, I love it.
You got to make sure what type of bear. Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I realize that now.
I'm going to have to scramble here, folks. Black bears are basically large raccoons.
Yep. That's true.
What type of gorilla was Harambe? Silverback. So I'm going to go elephant versus silverback gorilla.
Nice. Island gorilla.
The island gorilla? Yes. I love it.
Yeah, the elephant outweighs a gorilla by like 1,000, probably like 5,000 pounds. Yeah, but if the elephant can fucking get on his back and get him in a chokehold.
That's true. Tap him out.
A gorilla can tap out an elephant?

How do you know?

He can just grab his trunk.

He can't get around his neck.

Hold his breath.

He can get on top of him and just fucking...

Do you know how big an elephant is?

Yeah.

All right.

My one one...

Mighty Joe Young could fucking fuck that thing up.

Yeah, but Mighty Joe Young is not a gorilla.

He's not real.

Right, but he's based off a real thing.

My one one is

There's gotta be big gorillas out there

Pretty simple

Tiger versus male lion

Like with the mane

The whole thing

Okay

Full grown tiger

Full grown lion

Battle the big cats

Alright I'll go with

I'm gonna go shark versus crocodile

I really wanna see that

We actually

Little spoiler

We have bear gorillas on

Probably next week

And we talked about

Salties he was calling them

Saltwater crocs

Thank you. Crocodile.
I really want to see that. We actually, a little spoiler, we have Bear Gryllis on probably next week and we talked about Salties, he was calling them.
Saltwater Crocs. I really want to see that fight.
That fucking thing. They just thrash around.
Spoiler alert. He told us that we could not defeat a saltwater croc.
But I kind of debunked it. He also didn't take into account the fact that I think that I've seen outdoor shows where they hypnotize a croc by doing something with its nose.
Yes. So I would do something with its nose.
I think we're good. All right.
So that's my first pick, shark versus croc. I will go next pick.
I would love to see hippo versus rhino. They're kind of the same thing, right? What is the difference between a hippo? That's a great pick.
Thank you, Billy. Amazing pick.
They're like, it'd almost be just watching the Oklahoma drill. It'd be fun.
Like, it would be very fun to watch those two guys go at each other. It'd be very fun.
I had a similar one. I think I can still use it because it's not hippo.
I took elephant versus rhino. I like it.
I had that as well. I like the matchup of the tusks.
Yep. And the horn.
Yep. I think the elephant would win, but I would like to see it.
They're worthy foes. Yeah.
Worthy adversaries. And also, just a heads up, I don't want to see anyone be like, hey, you can actually see this fight.
I don't know if I really want to watch these animals fight. This is more a hypothetical thing.
You know what I mean? Someone's going to tweet you and be like, dude, you can watch this elephant smash the brains out of this rhino. It's like, I don't actually want to see it.
Maybe if you have a video of an elephant tearing an acl yeah send it this way yes yeah or doing the crate challenge actual fight breaking its arm i'd be down for that i am one of those pussies that watches animals like eat each other and i'm like oh that's fucked up why would he why would he hurt that gazelle oh you're what yeah you're watching battle at kruger. Yeah.
And the crocodile is going after the other, trying to eat and survive.

He's like, don't do that.

No, fuck you, crocodile.

Yeah, don't do that.

That little kitten soak.

It's a fucking lion that would tear you to shreds.

Yeah, the duality of man. Show me human beings breaking their faces.

I'm down.

Show me a ferocious lion getting killed, and I want to puke.

Yes, there's a difference between slapstick comedy and a snuff film.

It's a fine line.

Hank, your next pick.

I'm going to go, so this is based off my favorite scene.

I'm a big Planet Earth fan.

Watched them all.

Great program.

Need to come out with a new season soon.

Iguana versus killer snakes.

Oh, yeah.

Remember the video?

It's slow-mo, and it's the iguana running,

and there's all these killer snakes coming after him. The best is when they set it to the NFL Sunday countdown song.
The da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And it's just like, it's weaving in and out of the snake.
I'm pretty sure that was on... I don't think that was an iguana, which I think that...
No, it was. Wasn't a Komodo dragon? No, it was one of the black iguanas that they have in South America.
I thought it was a Komodo dragon. They're indigenous to the volcanic rocks.

They're black, and they sneeze out salt water.

Okay.

But it was a shit ton of snakes coming out of this one iguana,

so I'd like to see it if it was in whatever, the Coliseum 1v1.

Yeah.

I think the iguana might stand a better chance.

I think so.

I like it.

We're going to go with a Siberian tiger versus a polar bear.

Okay. Now, Billy, is the Siberian tiger versus a polar bear.
Okay.

Now, Billy, is the Siberian tiger, is that the white one? Or is that a common misconception? Common misconception. The white one is just a color morph, a variant, like blonde hair versus red hair.
Okay. But the Siberian tiger is the largest of the tigers, and the polar bear is the largest of the bears, and I think it would be a great matchup on various different levels.
Is that why you were looking down your nose at me when I selected the standard male tiger? I mean, a Bengal tiger is quite small. Relative to tigers.
Define quite small. They're the smallest of the tigers.
They're probably like 900 pounds. There's dogs that are quite large.
Okay. Yeah, I like that pick, though.
Tiger, polar bear. good matchup.
Okay. You have another pick? Jake, have any of these been your picks? No.
If they were, they probably wouldn't get approved. Yeah.
Well, actually, this is our last pick. Nope.
Okay, do you want to do one? Oh. Thank you, Billy.
Oh. I'll do one.
Uh-oh. I think alligators and crocodiles.
Oh. One of them.
Fighting each other. Yeah.
I mean, one of them has to be on top of the other. They're very similar.
It's a major something's got to give. Yeah.
The Steelers and the Ravens. Exactly.
I like it. Very identical.
I like it. Yeah.
Okay. Do you like it, Billy? I approve.
All right. Let's go.
Nice. Nice.
I would like to see a diesel shark going at a whale, really trying to pick them apart, swim around them. I know whales are not really fighters, but I think if it was getting attacked and maybe the shark was protecting it from his family or something, the whale would fight back.
But obviously the shark's smaller, can swim around. I don't know.

I'd like to see it.

I would like to see it.

Killer whales and sharks, I think they are natural enemies, aren't they?

Like, they can fight.

Yeah, well, killer whales, you know.

Is that true?

Tillicum fucked them all up.

Sometimes they find giant great white sharks with bites out of them, and they're like,

what the hell is eating these giant sharks?

But there's no video.

Killer whales.

I would show me that video, because that sounds awesome.

Okay.

R.I.P. Tillicum.
Wait, no. Not R.I.P.i.p tilikum well it wasn't his fault but he yeah he fucked the whole game up there you go free tilikum all right all right um what no no free tilikum i think wasn't it like him getting out there is what fucked everyone else no but if you freed him he wouldn't have all the trainers yeah yeah.
That shit was fucked up. My next one, I'm going to downsize a little bit.
Wolverine versus Honey Badger. Nice.
I got the fuck from Billy. Damn.
You had that exact matchup? You had that? Because Billy knows that the Wolverines, their bite strength is the strongest in the animal kingdom. Insane.
And the honey badger don't care. Yeah.

True.

It's a fact.

Good pick.

Thank you.

All right.

I'm going to go to the sky for this one.

I'm going to go Falcon versus Hawk.

I don't know specifically which ones, but I'd like to see that, like an old school fighter

pilot situation.

Maybe, what was it?

Dunkirk?

Yeah.

Dunkirk or Top Gun.

Top Gun.

Yeah. Top Gun 2.
Ironically. Just watching them just dive at each other.
That would be a dogfight. Yeah.
It would be awesome. It would be birds.
Yeah. It would be sick to watch.
All right. My last pick.
Billy, I need a little help for something. I just don't know what's a step-down gorilla from the biggest gorilla.
That's all I need help from. Chimp.
A chimp? Yeah, a chimp. So it goes gorilla chimp? There's not like a beta gorilla? A bonobo? No.
A bonobo gorilla? Bonobos are small, aren't they? What about baboon? Maybe a mandrill. A orangutan? Orangutans? A orangutan's strong? They got the wingspan.
There's no little gorillas? Mini gorillas? Chimpanzees. Those are mini gorillas? Basically.
How tall are they? About PFT size. That's pretty big.
Are they really? Are they strong? Yeah, I mean, have you seen the documentary that Marty Mush did on Travis? Okay. A Bill Ape is the second biggest gorilla.
How tall is it?

Shown at five feet.

Okay.

All right.

I want one.

Bill sizes are comparable to other large chimpanzees.

I think the only reason I'm not going full silverback gorilla is because I think they would dominate this fight,

but I'd like to see an ape,

something,

some type of ape that can stand up and box versus kangaroo.

So it's like an old school,

just boxing match.

We actually are just squaring them up.

I just think the silverback would probably dominate a kangaroo. Right, Billy? I think that's right because I've seen kangaroo get hit in the chin.
They got a button. If you catch them right, they get stunned.
What do you think, Billy? Would a silverback crush a kangaroo if they really square it up? I want to see essentially going to an Irish pub version of let's step outside between a kangaroo and an ape. I would go with a lowland gorilla.
Okay, so then lowland gorilla. Perfect.
Lowland gorilla versus kangaroo. Give me that.
Three rounds, one-minute rounds. Perfect.
All right. All right.
My last one, I'm going to go to the sea, to the high seas.

I'm going to take a giant squid versus an anaconda.

Anaconda that you might find in like the Amazon River.

Ooh.

And have them go at it.

It would just be a lot of, like a lot of tentacles.

Yeah.

Just all limbs just trying to choke each other out.

Yeah.

What, Billy?

Bonk. Oh.
What? Bonk. Why is that a bonk? Bonk.
I don't know why. Well, it actually is very- This is like Billy telling on himself bonk.
No. It's a phallic snake versus an octopus.
That's true. Mm.
That is a bonk. There is such a thing, by the way.
I found this out a couple years ago. I was randomly talking to this person, and she was telling me that she used to write tentacle porn.
And I was like, what the fuck is tentacle porn? Apparently people do actually write fanfic about giant sea monsters that fuck each other like krakens just going at it. I did not know that at the time.
But no, this was not bonk worthy. I think it's bonk worthy that you're saying it's bonk-worthy on me, Billy.
I think you were looking for the bonk on this one.

No, but P.F.T.'s right.

If you think that's sexual, then you're the pervert.

Yeah, that's bad.

No, I think that he thinks it.

No, you're pervert.

He might subconsciously think that, but that's okay.

I've worn that part of my brain off.

It just came out.

It did.

It just slithered out.

All right, Hank, what's your last one?

I'm going to go with the, I think the biggest animal in the world, the giraffe. Yeah.
Versus single hornet. Oh.
Deadly. Like necks it to death? Yeah.
It just stings its neck, swim around. Okay.
I don't know. Sweet, Dad.
I actually considered doing the anaconda versus the giraffe just because that's a lot of neck for it to strangle.

All right, Billy, finish us off.

Hopefully you're good.

He's thinking, folks.

It's Mr. Irrelevant for the entire season.

Yeah, true.

Did anyone think about doing that?

Well, no, I should wait until you do your last pick.

Giant squid versus sperm whale.

Ooh.

Okay, and nobody's going to bonk him on that, right? Nope, that is totally normal. That is a very typical animal fight.
Yeah, I'm going to go... Listen, in the animal fighting community, a lot of people talk...
It's like Pacquiao Mayweather. They've been trying to make this match for a really long time.
It's like Hasbulla. There's drawings of the naval, of mythology.
Yeah, Billy, you're bonking me for a giant squid and an anaconda. You're like, yeah, I'm going to have the cum whale to try to take it out.
I just called an audible in my brain. I had another one down, but I did what you did with the touchback.
What was your other one? We can grant you. This is the last pick of the whole season.
No, no, I want to stick with the Spaniel. All right.
Okay. The only one that I thought about, I think it would be interesting, but it probably, this is one of those ones that everyone would just send me videos.
Just an all-out rat versus pigeon fight would be fun to watch. Oh, yeah.
A rat versus pigeon. Battle Royale? Yeah.
Just like, who's the nastier animal? Yeah. I think I got to go rats on that one.
I think so, too. The only way that the rats would win if they just started eating the pigeons, they're like, this is fucking gross.

Let's go home. Rat versus pigeon.
What about

a coyote versus an actual

roadrunner? That'd be fun to just

stumble upon in nature. Yes, it would.

Very fun.

When you see a dog pissing on a fire hydrant,

you're like, yeah, that's a classic.

Good job. Cape buffalo

versus American bison. Who'd win in a lion versus a polar bear? Lions are too small.
But like a big lion. Like a Siberian tiger? And a small polar bear.
Okay, that's more like a grizzly bear. No, but I said a polar bear, a small one.
Okay, I mean, polar bear would win. Okay.
What about like a runt of a... What about a polar what about a polar bear, like a baby polar bear versus...
Well, of course it'd lose if it was a baby. What about a teenage polar bear versus a huge lion? Have a chance.
Okay. All right.
When do polar bears, like, turn pro? When do they learn how to kill? Yeah, when do they stop being able to... When does a polar bear officially be able to beat a lion? Once it kills its first seal.
Okay. Yeah, but a seal is way different than killing a lion.
That's a big step up. Well, actually, polar bears can fight walruses.
So that's also not that. The walruses are fat fox.
Yeah, but with two giant knives coming out of their mouth. No.
They look like Mike Holmgren. Yeah, they do.
When you put straws in your teeth and you're just like, oh, look, I'm a walrus. They have huge tusks.
What about a polar bear that has only learned how to kill a baby seal? I don't think that you can say that that can take out a lion. Well, if they're gigantic.
Major step up in competition at that point. At what point does a polar bear stop becoming cute? As soon as they finish their coke.
Yep. Billy, could you choke out a teenage polar bear?

I'd get pretty cut up, but maybe.

Yeah.

What about a...

Is a polar bear the strongest bear?

The polar bear is literally the largest land carnivore on Earth.

Literally?

Yeah, it's the biggest.

And probably most dangerous.

Wait, it's...

Oh, carnivore. Carnivore.
He got us on that. I was thinking, wait a second.
Elephants. Giraffe.
Rhino. Those guys just eat salads all day.
It's crazy they get fat eating salads. It means that they fucking house them.
Yeah. I also had...
Well, before we stopped allowing human beings, I was going to say Major Biden versus a reporter. I was going to say Conor McGregor

versus Jake Paul. Yep.
I'd like to see

that. I'd like to very much see that.

Alright, good Mount Rushmore.

Billy, great Mount Rushmore. I think Chris Paul versus

Possum would be funny too. They'd just both fall down.

Chris Paul versus a bad insurance plan.

Yeah. Michael Vick versus

a pit bull.

I think everyone would like to see that. I would watch.
Send me a video if you actually have that one. Yeah.
Yeah. Michael Vick versus a pit bull.
I think everyone would like to see that. I would watch.
Yeah. Send me a video if you actually have that one.
Yeah. Please.
Attila the Hun versus Tiger. That was on mine.
Who do you think is the most dangerous human to ever exist? Obama. That's hard.
H-Man. There we go.
There we go, Hank. Nice, Hank.

All right, let's do our hot seat, cool throne.

Then we'll get to logic.

And then we have Dion.

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Why? I called Valtteri Bottas, Sebastian Bottas yesterday. People were not happy about it.
I was thinking of Sebastian Vettel. Just a lot of F1 going on in my brain.
I'm just constantly thinking about, you know, the track and whatever the fuck they call it down there. So that's my bad.
Sorry to all my Mercedes heads. They did sign a new guy, though, a new young guy, whatever his name is.
George Russell. Georgie.
He's like the people's champ online. Everyone loves him.
They just love him. I was thinking about that the other night.
Instead of trying to get a driver that could potentially beat your golden boy, they should just get the fastest driver

and then just kind of slip, I don't know,

a little bit of grain alcohol into his water.

Just have him be the best driver.

Have him drive drunk?

But just like a little drunk.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When does the season end?

Sometime.

Never.

Never ends.

For me?

F1 is life.

It has ended.

Yeah.

This last Sunday was the last race.

And then my cool throne is Paul Pierce.

Yeah, that was mine.

God damn it.

I have another one.

It's okay.

Who did Paul Pierce do?

There's an article.

Chris Mannix wrote an article.

It came out.

He was basically like,

the video,

there was rumors that the video might affect his Hall of Fame vote.

And he was like,

I don't give a fuck about that.

There's players that are way worse. I quit ESPN because they were making me talk about LeBron too much.
I didn't really want to stay there anyway. And he was like, I'm divorced.
I'm single. You know what I mean? I'm divorced.
I'm single. I'm doing what everyone else is doing just because I took a video of it.
It should affect my Hall of Fame vote, which is 100% true. So he's on the cool throne.
Yeah, it was a big time sorry, not sorry. I just don't give a fuck.
I don't think that the Professional Basketball Hall of Fame has a clause against hiring strippers. Right, and that's what he was saying.
There's people in the Hall of Fame that have done way worse things than just having strippers when you're a single guy. Yeah.
Yep. Yeah, he was my cool throne as well.
It was just a whole article of him being like, I don't give a fuck, and they made me talk about lebron too much yeah it's straight espn propaganda uh and my other cool throne was waffle house employees yeah there's a great fight video of a waffle house employee just fucking up a patron um never fight a waffle house cook right just a great video a good reminder for the people if you're drunk don't come at the employees at waffle house because you'll get fucked up. Yeah.
He was ready to throw hands. It was awesome.
It's the best part of your day at Waffle House. Time to fight.
Yeah, your three fights that you get into. Time to fight.
All right, PFT? My hot seat is the Buccaneers because it looks like Jerry Jones is playing, I don't know, some monkey business with Zach Martin. So it was reported that Zach Martin, who is not the most talented player on the Cowboys offense, I'm not even going to say the most important.
He's the heart and soul of the Dallas Cowboys offense. He was diagnosed with COVID or tested positive for COVID.
Apparently Jerry is about to break out the private jet, get whatever secret formula that they have to make it go away real fast. And Zach Martin has now been, I think, upgraded to doubtful of out.
He was out initially. And now it's like he might be able to do it.
So Jerry Jones is doing the thing that every fan does where a guy gets injured and then you just tell yourself, well, maybe it will just work out and he'll be better instantly. Yeah.

So he's going to have him on a plane ready to take off

until the very last second.

I think Jerry's just trying to play some mental warfare games with Tom Brady

because Tom Brady's already playing the mental warfare games

against the Cowboys saying they've got a huge advantage

because they've got so many defensive players that wear single-digit numbers, which I haven't seen yet. It's pre-R 101 from him.
Yeah. Yes.
It's a pre-excuse. Yeah, it's pre-R.
It's pre-R. I like it.
I like that. My cool throne is Halloween.
Uh-oh. I saw a fucking spirit Halloween story yesterday.
Oh, no. In America, it's like we have four seasons.
It's spring break, the 4th of July, Halloween, and Christmas, and that's it. And every year, they all come sooner.
And we're not even... It was Labor Day, and they set up the spooky skeletons in the windows.
But I think also, this is going to be a huge year for Spirit Halloween, because we had so many businesses that totally went out of business over the last year. Yes.
There's so much more retail space. So many.
There could be one on every single block. Our downtowns are getting taken over by Spirit Halloween this year.
And also somebody brought in Halloween candy today. Like the Halloween-themed Kit Kats were in the office today.
Oh, I saw those. Yeah.
It's tough. All right.
My hot seat. I actually don't have one.
I had Paul Pierce in my cool throne. I forgot to write down a hot seat.
You can say mayo. Mayo.
People went at me big time for mayo today. And also, I think Cam found an old take where I basically was like, we did the Mount Rushmore dipping sauces.
I put mayo on mine. Yeah.
So we've been a mayo podcast since the inception. Yeah.
He found a blog that I was going to write that was just in defense of mayo. You should retweet.
One of the funniest tweets was when you did your, what'd you make with mayo? Like mayo nachos or something? I made mayo nog. Mayo nog.
Mayo eggnog, yeah. Mayo mac and cheese.
Oh, yeah. That was what I got Dion on where I said, here's my homemade recipe for mac and cheese.
It was dry-ass noodles with just like a bottle of mayonnaise next to it. Yeah, in 2016, all my mayo boys stand up.
Time to destigmatize mayo. So we've been fighting for mayo for a long-ass time.
Yeah, mayo is not bad. No.
And you get labeled as a mayo freak if you defend it, but that's how far the Overton window has swung to the point where it's like, oh, people see someone say one positive thing about mayo, and they're like, ship this guy back to Brussels, this weirdo. Yes.
A perfectly normal amount of mayo on a tuna fish sandwich or a turkey sandwich that's the most american thing that you can eat yes yes agreed uh billy or jake uh my hot seats the indiana equipment team indiana football indinia uh yeah i saw that unfortunate so i'm gonna be nice to indiana because they all got mad at me me when I said that Indiana's got to have more than one good season that just happened to happen during COVID and all their breaks went their way. Was that during the game? Yeah.
Yeah. In Dania? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, it's tough.
I-N-D-I-N-I-A. Mm-hmm.
So, cool thrown is Max Scherzer. So, he just had a 13 strikeout game.
He's six strikeouts away from 3,000. I keep forgetting he's on the Dodgers.
And if they're in the playoffs, well, they're going to be in the playoffs, but I think Kershaw's right. But if he comes back, him, Kershaw, Walker, Buehler, that's...
Yeah, no, it is. Yeah.
Good team. Yeah.
Giants are good too, though. Him and Trey Turner.
Yeah, they are. Yeah, thanks, Jake.
Anyone else you want to mention on that team? Trey actually told us the other day that he laughs at Dave Roberts and everybody else on the team who's afraid of Max Scherzer. Like, they're afraid to get near him during starts, and Max is, like, playing it up to them a little bit, trying to just intimidate them, when he's just, like, fucking around with them.
He actually doesn't care if you go up and you talk to them. But he is a crazy person, all that said.
Absolutely. And I wish them nothing but the best.
There we go. As a Washington sports fan, that is what I've grown accustomed to doing is just cheering for players, leaving my team to do well in their new homes.
They're forever homes. There was a clip a couple weeks ago where he came off the mound after an inning and somebody patted him on the back and he was like, don't fucking touch me.
Yeah. I love that.
Keep that energy, Max. Billy, hot seat, cool throne? My hot seat's humanity.
Jeff Bezos has just bought a good chunk of an anti-aging company that's seriously into anti-aging. So Jeff Bezos might be...
So maybe that's a 200-year-old thing. Exactly.
It's going to be Jeff Bezos. It's going to be Jeff Bezos and he's going to rule the world.
It's probably just going to be his girlfriend. Whatever hole he's in at the time, he's like, yeah, she's going to lift to 200 too.
My other hot seat is Ben Mintz. Yeah, he's getting back on the wagon in regards to his diet because he's been doing really terribly this past week because of the hurricane.
Wait, what? Yeah, he was eating pretty badly this past week. I gave him a break.
Because of the hurricane? Yeah, he's been stress eating. It's a real problem.
But you guys just started the Mincy experiment. I know, but then the hurricane hit, and then he's sitting worried about the hurricane, which is very valid, but I have a job to do.
Right, but he sounds like he's on the Nick Saban diet just sitting in front of his television eating oatmeal cream pies and watching the web channel. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been stressed about the hurricane, but it seems like he kind of owns you because he can be like, yeah, I'm stressed about this.
I'm going to eat. Next week he's going to be stressed about this.
He's going to eat. But when he's in his apartment and you can hear the crinkle of the bags.
You've got to go in there and steal it from him. I know, but he was in the middle of a hurricane.
I didn't know. You know how he yells sometimes? Billy, how seriously do you take your job? Very seriously.
That's why he's back. It sounds like you're intimidated by it.
So I made him write down all of his cheap meals. I saw that notepad.
It was a long list. Yeah, then I added up all the calories, hypothetically, and now for every 500 calories, he owes me a suicide at a local basketball court.
So that's where we're getting to. All right, sounds like experiment's not going well, but nice try.
We're going for it. We're sticking to it.
Cool throne, we're going with Derrick Henry. Turns out Derrick Henry has a legion of practice squad players who are basically his stiff arm dummies.
So there was a video that went viral about... It was Will Compton's job last year.
Was that his job? Probably. Well, they're on these pads, and you see Derrick Henry running past, and just basically you have these practice squad players on their hands and knees, and Derrick Henry just is stiff-arming them as they sort of lunge at him, and he's just hitting them in the head repeatedly, and I just couldn't imagine being like those players' necks must serious like pinched nerves i don't think i would take like an nfl player salary i don't think i would even like be on an act if you were to come to me right now and say pft i will pay you two million dollars a year to be a linebacker you'll never have to get in a game for the titans but you get to wear the uniform you get to be part of the squad.
I would say no, if that's what my data did.

That's just, a man's got to have a line.

Yes.

Right?

And I think that that line,

I have too much pride to just get stiff-armed

by Derrick Henry through the crust of the earth

every single day.

Agreed.

They should develop some sort of dummy to do that on.

And also, Cool Throne FCF Schools.

The single-game tackle record was broken by Fordham player Ryan Greenhagen,

who had 31 tackles in the game against Nebraska.

There you go.

Wow.

Ram fam.

Still didn't cover.

Insane stat, 31 tackles.

It's only 25 tackles in the NFL held by Ryan Urlacher.

Ryan Urlacher.

Is that his brother?

Ryan.

I said Ryan.

That's Ryan with hair. Everyone's bookie.
All right. Let's get to our interviews.
We got Logic, the rapper. Awesome interview.
Something a little different. And then we have Dion coming up after that.
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And now here he is. Logic.
OK, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Bobby Hall, a.k.a.
Logic. He has a new memoir out.
It is called This Bright Future. So we want to talk to you about everything, your career in rap, books, the fact that you're a streamer, everything.
But let's talk about the memoir first. So This Bright Future, it's out September 7th.
Um, I, you know, for people who don't know logic that don't know your background, you had a tough, uh, childhood. So my first question is writing this memoir, like going back and remembering everything, how, like, how difficult is that? Cause I have to imagine it's not an easy thing to live through and write about painful memories? Great question, man.

Yeah, definitely. It's, it's, it's weird.
I've always been extremely, um, open, you know, with, with myself and all the things that I've gone through, uh, especially in particularly through my childhood. So it wasn't like this insane, intense, gut-wrenching experience.
It's stuff that I've talked with my friends about, and I've been able to cope through that. It was definitely weird to kind of do it in chronological order where you take all these memories.
Because I worked with a collaborator who helped me. Um, basically, I mean, every word is mine, you know, this is my book.
I wrote it, but this person, like, you know, I thought it would be amazing if we had conversations. So it's almost like this person kind of interviewed me and then we took my transcripts and, you know, I organized it all.
And then he also helped me kind of just create this linear story of my life because he would just be like hey how do you feel about xyz or when's the first time this or he'd be like tell me about your mom and then i'd be telling him convert you know experiences from 17 four years old nine years old then my dad and and then get and then one i don't know some somehow that would just turn into me talking about being 28

and having a huge hit record.

So we kind of took that and put it all together.

So for me it was a really cathartic experience.

It was really fun.

It was definitely emotional at times but not in a bad way,

in a very good – just a good way.

Yeah.

Did you actually go back and read it after it was all put together? Dude, I've read this book like a thousand times, especially cause I did the audio book and like, so I read the whole audio book as well. So I narrate it, I should say.
And when I was doing it, is my mic level cool by the way? Yeah, it's great. Okay, great.
Um, and, um, the difficult part about narrating your own book, or at least a book like mine is when I like explain shit, you know, when I'm like, yeah, man, I was on stage. And then this guy jumped off the second story and almost broke his kneecap.
And my brother came out of nowhere and punched him in the face. And then the cops showed up.
Like, that's how I tell the story. Now your average narrator of literature may take their time with every word, but not me, man.
I wanted it to be an experience where it's like the person listening to it is like my homie. You know what I mean?

And so with that, even though I wrote it and even though I had to read it and proofread it a million times before we actually got to the narration of doing the audiobook, when I'm telling this story and it's really super crazy and then – shit, okay, I messed up. When I'm telling this story and it's really super crazy and that shit.
Okay. I messed up when I'm telling this story and it's really super crazy.
And then that's when this dude showed up and he actually held me hostage. These are all true stories, by the way.
Um, it's, you have to match that. It's like a match cut that has to be perfectly done, like almost in film or when punching and music.
And luckily, uh, with rap, you know, like, um, not like I'm showboating or anything, but anything, but I have a song and one of the lyrics, it goes, fuck rap, busting like an addict with a semi-automatic who'd have had it in you ready for anybody to buck back. Hold up, catch a vibe.
Ain't nobody how we. So if I fuck up right there, hold up, catch a vibe.
Ain't no. Oh, shit.
I fucked that. So instead of doing fuck rap, you know, busting like a semi-automatic who'd have had it in you ready for'll punch in on buck back.
So it's, it's, I kind of took that experience with music tonally to be able to, uh, do like a proper cut. But I mean, dude, sometimes I'd, I'd kill it for like a paragraph.
And then other times it's hard to get through two sentences, um, because of, uh, the enunciation and it's all gotta be perfect, but it was fun okay so what you just did right there your flow your ability to you know uh rap so quickly when was the first time you realized you had that ability because it blows my mind like every time i hear someone be able to do that i can barely put a sentence speaking together uh so when was you like oh shit like i have a special gift

here uh it's definitely something that um you i had to work hard at you know what i mean like i

worked my whole life to um get to where i am professionally and um just even ability wise to

to do that so um i studied the greats before me you know naz big l biggie tribe called quest

I'll see you next time. ability wise to to do that so um i studied the greats before me you know naz big l biggie tribe called quest wu-tang clan bone thugs and harmony you know even ludicrous ludicrous has like his pronunciation game is insane yeah like he would do the fast raps but it wasn't like and i even remember my brother when I would first start doing these fast raps.
He was like, nah, man. You sound like shit, man.
He's like, I get it, man, but you got it. I'm just like, yeah, it's the one and only, and I'm here, and I got the time, and your tongue is all fucking up.
So you really have to take that time. It's really about muscle memory.
Then you learn that it's truly's it's truly muscle and air i know this sounds stupid but it's like right now i i'm just talking to you but when you're rapping it's just pushing air out literally well i know it sounds almost like duh but it's like there's a certain sequence that you know not to sound sus i'm just saying like your tongue moves your, and your lips and all these different things that you don't even think about. Yeah.
Yeah. Straight up.
Get down to lay down, hit you with the brevetting, get better, stay down, straight shots on the playground, live in home, live with the light that I'll give it. It's just, it comes out naturally after you've done it a million times, but it literally, you know, they say 10,000 hours.
It's like, it took a very, very long time. Yeah.
That's to me because I, and we're kind of idiots. So like this, this world is not something that we're extremely familiar with, but like, we always relate everything back to sports because we're dumb.
So like when you're trying to learn how to, you know, how to get faster and at the same time, keep that same enunciation, like are there other exercises that you're doing or do you like clock yourself with a metronome and you're like got up to 150 bpm today like is it like an athlete that's training to run a 40 yard dash i think so yeah um for sure because i used to rap and run like i would like run and i was like 110 pounds and smoking cigarettes we won't be there but it's like yeah like you You definitely that time I mean it's it's a muscle um and no matter what it is and I mean it's even deeper than that right it's not even just the technical skill or ability it's also like what what sounds cool you know like if you're gonna have a punch line like I remember I wrote this punch line I I had a my last album album um it's called no pressure and it came out last year and i'm obsessed with quentin tarantino right and so before once upon a time in hollywood was even out i had come up up with this punchline now rick dalton is played by leonardo dicaprio and cliff booth is played by brad pitt and before i'd even seen the because it wasn't out, I just saw their IMDB page and I knew Cliff Booth and Rick Dalton. And there's a line that I have where I say, money ain't the key to happiness and that's the truth, feeling close to the cliff, like Rick Dalton in the booth, like the booth of rapping.
So it's like, it's not just about necessarily technical ability. It's also wittiness and being able to pull things together.
But, you know, that also came with listening to so many people before me. I mean, everything and anything that's kind of already been said in rap, I mean, music in general, it's already really been said.
It's just about how you say it. I mean, you can only make but so many punchlines about, I don't know, you know, I sell like you can talk about rocks of cocaine.
Like I sell big rocks like Mount Rushmore or some shit. Like somebody's probably said something like that.
Thank you. Somebody's probably said something like that in one way or another already.
But it's just it's your take on it. It's so part of my take.
There you go. So, yeah.
So, so you got the memoir that's out right now. Have you, have you stopped to think like, did I, did I use my memoir too soon? Because like, or can you go back in like 10 years? What's the, what's the timeframe that you have to wait if you want to write another memoir? What a good question.
Great question. I don't plan on it.
I don't plan on it anytime soon.

It just felt right. I mean literally black dad, white mom, dad on crack, mom on drugs, alcoholic.
Like I said, been kidnapped, held against my will, shotgun, sold drugs, toured the world, had mental health issues. like it's just so much stuff that I've gone through that it just felt right that like, okay, now is the time to say it.
31 is young. Yeah, it is.
You write a memoir on your life, but I think in many ways, it's funny. So like last year I had retired and then like literally less than a year later, I kind of unretired, which is funny, but I don't give a shit what anybody can say on the internet.
I woke up one day and kind of wanted to do it again. But the fact of the matter is this, it's like, I really did retire in a way.
It was about, can you get the number ones? Can you go platinum? Can you this? Can you that? Can you da da da? And really a lot of that started with a chip on my shoulder being back in Maryland and people being like, oh, you ain't never going to have a mixtape.

And then you make a mixtape.

It's like, well, you're never going to go on tour and then you go on tour.

Okay, well, you ain't never going to sell out 500 and then you sell out 500 cap and then 1,000 and then 5,000.

And before you know it, you're selling out Madison Square fucking Garden in New York City.

You got almost 10 platinum.

I think, yeah, 1-800 is almost a diamond now. It's just all these things that people say that you can't do.
It's been a journey. I've realized, getting back to my point, sorry for going off on this tangent, but everything that I've done, everything that you could kind of do as a musician, I've hit that with the exception of winning a Grammy.
I never won a Grammy. And I was over that shit.
I was over the hamster wheel of like, oh, okay. Cause it's like, you get a number one and then what? Another one and another one and another one.
It's like, bro, I'm 31. I don't need to be rapping.
Like I'm 22 and hip hop, especially as such a young man's game. Doesn't mean that men can't age in that.
But as far as trying to be like, look at me, look, I'm on TikTok, like doing a dance, like, no, I'm not, motherfucker. I'm taking care of my son.
And you know what I mean? And being with my wife and my friends and doing other things. So that last album, No Pressure, really, I think is a retirement of like that era of the last decade of my life of grinding with music.
And now it's like, if I want to rap, I want to sing and play guitar I do that it doesn't have to be this big like thing because in music you could drop an album like mine you know sell a quarter million units in its first week and it's really amazing and then after that you could just drop like a fun project or something you did for fun and people be like oh you fell off because you didn't do as much and it's just like that's not a world I necessarily want to live in it it sounds I mean this might be uh you know not projecting but like it sounds like at some point you get almost trapped in your own success where people are just saying like oh well the next thing's got to be bigger the next thing's got to be bigger now when you did retire did you like actually give it a honest try of like i'm not doing anything like did you actually retire of course not no for sure hey jt can you tighten this for me um just this strap sorry guys uh no no way like i i'm such a workaholic right like i i was constantly even still making music i mean that's one thing that you don't just lose. You don't lose the passion to make music.
And for me, it's cathartic. It's a way I've always expressed myself.
I came up in a family where it was just yelling and screaming and drinking and crying and passing out and all these different things. And I found a way to escape that through music and actually talk about my feelings.
And it's funny because I got made fun of in hip hop, especially for doing it. You know what I mean? For being like, it's okay.
And anxiety happens and people are like, fuck you, you idiot. Like this is like, you know, but so yeah, I was still constantly doing that.
And then film, I mean, film's my thing now, dude. I'm throwing a couple million dollars into this film that I just wrote, and I'm starring in it.
And it's like a legit thing, and I'm excited, and I've wanted to do it. And I just did this.
You guys know Joseph Gordon, an actor? He's in Inception and a bunch of – Yeah. Yeah.
We became buddies, and then I just had this crazy role. Like this whole episode is about me and my character and it's not just some rapper guy it's like just a regular guy and it's on Apple TV and that just inspired me so much to kind of want to pursue that as well so long story short fuck no man I didn't stop I'm not gonna stop I love working I like it you basically use like the word retirement to just transition into a different phase of your career.
That's genius. I, but I really thought I was going to be done with releasing music.
If I'm honest, like I really felt that way. And I think a lot of it was, it wasn't anger.
It was just like, I'm tired of being on this chopping block of like, and it's not just hip hop, just, just music in general, like entertainment. Like, you know what I mean? I mean? Dude, it was crazy.
It was like I remember going through a divorce, and then I meet this beautiful young woman after that, and TMZ is taking shots of us getting on a jet and shit. Now, I'm not complaining.
It's a champagne problem. I've experienced worse shit.
But for me, it's just I don't need that. I don't need people calling my 19 year old son ugly and hoping that he dies.
So it's like, that's kind of the, the, the world that I didn't want to be a part of anymore. And then I realized, Oh no, I don't need to stop making music, not to be a part of that world.
I just need to unplug from it. And I literally haven't been on the internet in like two years yeah so so you said that before we started you you when you say you haven't been on the internet like tell us exactly are you saying you don't go on twitter you know i'm on the hub you know yeah like what what yeah what do you do like i because i'm jealous honestly i mean our job is very intertwined with the internet um we always joke like we're on twitter all the time because we do it for our job there are many times we're like we kind of wish we could just pull the plug and just not be on it but how like are you really not on the internet yeah i'm really not on the internet but that's amazing that's the thing i woke up one day and realized oh i don't have't have to be, right? So it's like my job was that.
My job was trying to stay as relevant as possible and listening to new music and beats and responding to fans all the time and this and that and blah, blah, blah. It's just everything was engaging, engaging.
I mean, bro, I remember at the height of me constantly being on the internet, it's like one post on an instagram story would get like over a million views right like it was insane like i could just do one instagram and be like i'm scratching my balls and people were like it's a million fucking people now it's not you know it's like a couple hundred thousand or whatever but it's but even that what does that equate to what the fuck does that even mean so yeah yeah i was i was i was holding value of myself as a man and a human being to like how many likes i got and then i'm like looking at travis scott like fuck man how come i've only got you know 900 000 likes and this motherfucker's got two million and then i'm like wait a second i love travis scott where is this thing coming into my head where now i'm jealous of this guy? Not really. It's not like I ever had any true – I mean I fuck with him.
He's cool. Every time we've ever seen each other, it's all love.
I'm just using that as an example to what social media can do. It can take somebody you actually love and admire and want to root for and then make you jealous of them and be like, what the – and then you're constantly comparing and it's this whole thing.
So I, I stepped out of that. Um, and I'm, I'm lucky enough to have built such a fan base, a diehard fan base in the rat pack, which is what I call them real all the time that I can do that.
Um, because before, you know, the, the, that song one 800 blew up and then the other songs that followed with marshmallow and Eminem and all these other consecutive, I mean, hit records, not to sound on type of one, I'm just being real. Like before that, dude, it was like 10 years of grinding.
It was 10 years of a slow burn so that even before I had those hits, I had platinum records. I could, I was selling out 5,000 cap venues, 6,000 cap venues.
I was doing that and I just had to step back and go, okay, you never know what could happen. I could drop a song and it could be a huge hit and I could go play Madison Square Garden again, or I could not try to do that.
I could just do it from my heart and be happy with 5,000 people here, 3,000 people there,

whatever, over time, as things may unwind. But the thing that matters to me most is my son,

my wife, and my personal happiness and venturing out into other dreams such as acting.

Wait, so quick quiz, side tangent quiz. So you're not on the internet,

like Mike Richards' Jeopardy controversy. No idea.
I have no idea. I just found out about a crate challenge in the hood.
Yeah. Okay.
All right. Yeah, go ahead, PFT.
Do the words bean dad mean anything to you? Not at all. What about the guy who tweeted that he didn't fuck his cats and basically was admitting that he was fucking his cat no he didn't come anywhere he didn't come on his cats but he might have fucked him nothing no bro okay what about the guy that may or may not have found shrimp inside of his cinnamon toast crunch man the only thing i've heard of recently is this this board ape thing and then i was like oh should i drop half a million dollars on this but you're you're you're now watching uh we have worms in our brains what we just showed you like what we actually like the amount of stupid things that we have inside of our brains is so so bad There's like 2% of my brain that has to have the information in it of like a father that gave his daughter a can of beans and asked her to open it.
And for some reason, Bean Dad occupies real estate in my brain, and I would give anything to like cleanse all that stupid shit out. So I guess my follow-up to you you would be how long after you logged offline were you able to stop remembering all the dumb shit that you used to care about it happens pretty quick actually like when you really fully commit i don't know it's like smoking cigarettes or something you know like weeks.
It's like, damn, man. You know what I mean? But then, and then you start to realize, wow, leaves are green.
Yeah. Like, I know that sounds stupid, but it's like, you're like, whoa, hold on.
Like you actually want to look at things and realize like, yo, like, but it also kind of comes with its, I'm not, no, it's way more positive than negative yeah yeah the internet is a beautiful place right but the internet's a beautiful place like to connect us and like if you're using it for work and you know you guys what you're doing like it's it's amazing but just literally sitting there mindlessly scrolling and then getting into like a youtube section comment fight and like like all that is so redundant like i just i can't do it doesn't really doesn't do it for me but one of the other things is like my mind's constantly going all the time so when i um when i'm off the internet and i don't really have anything to distract me sometimes you just start thinking about real shit like death like i just set up my will

like that's a crazy thing to like go through you know what i mean but it's also it gives you peace of mind i know your family's gonna be okay and stuff like that but it's just like a weird like concept of oh now i'm alone with my thoughts you know i mean really with my thoughts and another thing that, dude, is like my whole life has been on the internet.

So now that I'm off the internet, there was a long time.

And some days I still question and wonder like am I relevant?

Like does anybody even care about me?

And it's like of course.

I have millions of fans all over the world.

But the thing is I can't see them.

And, yo, I live in the bumfuck country, man. I moved from L.A.
so I could shoot guns and fucking hang out. Like, you know what I mean? So it's like I go to the store and it's Cletus who's like, hey, Bob, has no idea who the fuck I am.
You know what I mean? But I like that. It's given me such a normalcy that I'm glad that I have.
But it just makes you kind of question like, oh, is my career over on a Tuesday? But then it's like, I don't know. You go somewhere and like 20 kids are like, oh, my God.
And you're like, oh, OK, cool. Yeah, still got it.
Still got it. It's interesting because like when you look up, when you Google your name, when you Google Logic online, one of the first thing that pops up is like, is Logic dead? And so I have to assume that that's just simply a byproduct of you.
Like if you log off social media for a week, there's a significant part of the internet that just thinks that you died at that point. It's funny though, because I've actually Googled many people and that comes up.
I think it's like a weird thing, but I do agree with what you're saying.

Yes, people could just think that you disappeared.

Yeah.

So confirm not dead.

I think so.

Okay.

Good.

Good.

We can put that one to bed.

Nice. Have you listened to Donda?

No, I'm not really into rap. Okay.
There we go. Good answer.
But I'm sure it's great. Yeah, well, I know.
I did see our producer's a huge fan. He sent us some info, and you did like on Complex, you did your top 25 albums of all time, and three of them were Kanye, so I didn't know if you love kanye right dude kanye is like my favorite i think that i think the issue not issue there's no issue with me is that um i don't give a shit like and i don't mean that to be rude i like don't give a fuck like ever my whole life was rap and who's the number one and who's got the hottest this and that blah blah blah but i'm listening to bowie and like yeah i'm just like chilling like what are you listening right now give us a list of things that are all like you're listening to right now i like that constant i love mac demarco he's a shit i've been listening to a lot of velvet underground stones um when i do listen to hip hop, Tribe, man.
I'm listening to Tribe

called Quest. A lot of classic shit.
Modern rap, not so much. One of my favorite rappers ever,

his name is Like. He used to be in a group called Pak Div.
He's amazing. It's not like I don't like

rap. I love rap.
When it comes to modern rap and shit, I don't really listen to it. But that doesn't mean that i i hate on it it means that i'm kind of the old head now so i'm like 31 so i can appreciate it i totally get it those kids doing what they're doing right now is what i did 10 years ago and there was some dude my age like i don't get this fucking logic guy this dude ain't black what the fuck is this shit like you know what i mean like it is this is what it is man yeah it's just progression yeah so when you were growing up you mentioned like a few artists bone thugs obviously ludicrous biggie who were who were your favorite artists like not necessarily your biggest influences but like who are you the biggest fan of you know what's funny dude is like well yeah i mean kanye is really up there i gotta tell you tell you.
It's funny that I haven't even listened to this album, and it's not really a thing. But I never really listened to music if I wasn't studying it, like ever.
It was a weird thing. So all I did was consume hip-hop music until I was like 27, 28.
Now, mind you, I'd listen to all kinds of music because I'm searching for samples and different. But once again, listen to what I'm saying.
It was never really to enjoy. It was always like, oh, how can I flip this guitar? How can I do this? Or how can I do that? So I'd go searching for albums and different vinyls and things like that, but it was always work.
So that's why it's like, I feel like I'd pretty much know I'm a student and I'm always learning, but when it comes to hip hop, dude, it's a, I'm a master. It's my craft.
It's what I do. I love it.
I dedicated my entire life to it. So now for leisure, unless it's just midnight marauders or just some album that, you know, black on both sides, most deaf, like like just so incredibly like I do take great pleasure in it, it's other genres of music and mainly like indie rock and shit, classic rock.
So where does the enjoyment come in for you? If you look back at your career when you were rapping more frequently, was it like when you create a song and you listen to it back the first time? Is that what gives you that rush where you're like, yes, I feel, I'm proud of this accomplishment? Or when you hear somebody singing along to your song, when a fan comes up and says what's up to you, what was the reward that you got for making it if you're approaching it from this standpoint of almost like you're putting together a puzzle listening to all these different samples that you can fit? Where does the enjoyment come the enjoyment coming for you great question uh yeah i mean you really you really nailed nailed it right there like the the the process of creating music is the most it's like euphoric it's like spiritual it's weird man like even to this day like when i'm in the studio and i'm just rapping on some shit or making a beat or singing, even if I'm strumming a guitar and playing it, like no matter what it is, it's the creative process because it's something new. It's something different or it's something familiar, but you're trying it in a different way.
My favorite thing about music to this day, I actually hate that I have to release music. It's like a thing.
It's weird. It's like I don't like releasing it because so many people don't get it.
They think they do or they want to say what it is or what it isn't, and then it becomes this thing on Twitter, and it's just like everyone's just herded. my favorite part of music is after i just made a song or dropped a verse or did something really

crazy and my friend or my wife or my producer or my engineer or whatever, somebody's listening to it for the first time and they're over there and they're sitting and I'm like this the whole time. As soon as I hit play, I'm like this.
And I'm looking at them. And then there's like a crazy punchline.
I'm feeling close to the cliff like Rick Dalton in the booth. And they're like, and they don't even look at me.
And I'm just I'm looking at him and and then there's like a crazy punch line I'm feeling close to the cliff like Rick Dalton in the booth and they're like and they don't even look at me and I'm like like it's just such an incredible feeling because I didn't fucking make it for some douche on the internet I made it for myself I made it for my friends I made it for the people that understand it not the people that because I'm fucking – I fucking hate this, but like a famous person. So everybody just wants to have a say in what's good and what's not, what's this, what's that.
And that's what I mean when it comes to releasing music. That's like the hardest part because there was times in my career where it's like I'm in an arena.
There's 22,000 people here screaming every lyric of like this really popping song I just put out or whatever, something fun. And then you go on the internet and everyone's just shitting on that song.
So it's like a really funny dynamic to see real life as opposed to that. So my favorite, my favorite part is yes, the creation.
Yeah. I actually think what you just said.
So I saw a clip, I think it was Ethan Hawke was talking about it recently how uh we as a culture of kind of ruined creative things because it becomes like a competition where like oh uh the rotten tomatoes score on this movie isn't good so like why would we enjoy it like no you enjoy what you enjoy like even us from a podcasting perspective like some people don't like us well guess what that's okay you don't have to like us you it's not for you you know what i mean the podcast is not for you so i i do get what you're kind of saying that like there's there's a level of like people will just shit on something or make it like hey it's not the best of all time or where does it rank it's like that's not what this is about it isn't and i think that's the funny part is like it's almost like i've had i've had like fans like back when i was on the internet and reading every little thing like on reddit be like his you can tell his heart wasn't in this and uh blah blah and they're like saying all this shit and i'm like dude if my heart wasn't in it i i wouldn't put it out in the first place like yeah maybe this is a song about me talking about like smoking dope and counting money on this record and i'm not talking about introspective you know crazy shit like i like i do over here but it's just like bro i'm multifaceted i'm a human being like just because i'm rapping about having fun or singing like dude i dropped this i i had a a book called supermarket and i dropped it a couple years ago and i did a soundtrack it. And so it's like this whole like indie rock soundtrack thing.
And it's fun. I think it's really good.
And I think the music I'm making now is way better, but it's like, you have to start somewhere. So after being like this top tier rapper, I was like, Oh, let me, let me start over here.
I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I have, I have reverence and love and respect.
and I'm a fan of this, but I want to try it. That's another place where I'm growing, and I get to watch myself get better and sing better and literally shred on the guitar and learn the singing.
Then people are like, sucks. It's like, okay, but at least I'm doing something that I love.
Isn't it better to do that than – look, you guys do this podcast because you're genuinely passionate about it. I'm sure it makes you some good fucking money too and that's not bad.
But it's like, come on, man. If you didn't want to do it, you wouldn't be doing it.
It's the same reason. I don't know the next time I'm going on tour.
You know why? Because I don't fucking feel like it. And my therapist, she calls it value over fear.

It's like, what do you value? Do you value slaving away and having thoughts of low-key wanting to kill yourself in a hotel room because you're utterly unhappy because you have no personal life whatsoever in the last 10 years of your life? It's just been this one thing over and over and over and over and over and over again. are you just going to continue to do that thing out of fear that you might not be relevant or might not be as rich or might not be as – are you going to value the fact that if you step away from this portion of your life, you may be – no, you will be so much happier though you might not be as famous.
You might not be as like who gives a shit man and that's where i had to come to terms with that for myself because it wasn't it wasn't good for my mental health man like it came up you want to talk about doing something that your heart is in my heart was in walking away from that shit not being on stage rapping a million miles a minute while I'm also like ribbity ribbity flippity i wonder if the hotel's got a good shower i can't wait to get the fuck off this stage like you know what i mean you got to do what you love bro that's in a in a very like uh smaller version of value over fear i feel like anyone who's gone through their 20s we're in we're both 36 but anyone's gone through their 20s reaches that point where it's like oh i don't have to go out and drink a million beers i could maybe just hang out at home and i would be really happy that i wake up the next day not hung over like that's that's as simple as it is but it really is like that value over fear not not missing not being like oh i'm gonna miss out on all this shit i'm gonna be a pussy i'm gonna do all that like no i i could just be myself i mean you said it too i don't i can't even mic drop like yeah dude it's crazy like when i learned that a weekend has two like full days yeah right it's not saturday and then like half of sunday i also think that you how old is your kid 19 months a year and a year and a half. Okay.
Yeah. Cause I have a two year old and a three month old and I feel like we're very similar in that, like that, like adjustment in your brain is happening, which is hard to explain unless you've gone through it.
Unless you've gone through it a hundred percent. I mean, my son coming into this world was just such a giant change.
It's so cliche. Everything they say, all the cliches, they're true.
They're true. It's just so true.
I don't give a shit, man. Yeah.
It fucks your brain up. Yeah.
I just want to do what makes me happy. And what makes me happy is making music when I feel like it, putting it out when I feel like it.
my main focus now is acting and film because it makes me happy and what makes me happy is making music when I feel like it putting it out when I feel like it my main focus now is is acting and film because it makes me happy and and while focusing on writing scripts and acting and setting up movies and producing and all this other shit I'm spending a kajillion more times than I ever have before excuse me at home with my family and mind you I never a family. I don't have a family.
And now I finally do. I've had brothers in the sense of like my homies who I came up with and we're all still close and tight and we work together.
But I'm talking about like a blood family. Like I never had that.
And now that I have it and I've worked my whole life for this and made decisions to be the best man that I could hope to be to be a good dad, what am I going to do? Be like, all right, I got to go hang out with P. Diddy.
I'm going to be with my boy. Yeah.
All right. I have two other questions.
I would hang out with P. Diddy, though.
Yeah. I was going to say, you could do both.
You could do both. I mean, your son sleeps a lot.
I know 19-month-olds, yeah, they sleep a lot. You could go at like 7 o'clock and go hang out with P.
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Damn, you know what? I should text him. I got his number, but no, I haven't talked to him in a while.

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like, like, like, like, like, texted him and was just like hey man like hope you're well like you know but yeah no i haven't really talked to him in a while can you text him at some point just like when you're watching the olympics on television and the the the pool is is white they paint the pool white and the water is clear but it looks blue we've been struggling with that for like a week and a half right now yeah yeah fucks you up i mean i don't know is it something in the water no the water's clear i thought it was the bottom of the pool but i was told i was wrong people are saying it's the lights i don't fucking know i think neil's the only person that knows yeah we gotta get we've had him on the show we gotta get him back on to ask him that's funny actually yeah i have no uh i don't know all right and then my other question was uh can you still do a rubik's cube fast uh oh here he goes it's so funny that i have one here oh yeah that is so That is so funny. So random.
No, I swear to God. Right.
Right. Every interview.
It's right next to your microphone for you. No, dude, I swear.
Let's see. I'm going.
All right. Here he goes.
Oh, wow. He's stuck.
He's ripping off the stickers. That's not how you do it.
Oh, Hold on. We're almost there.
Almost there. We're almost there.
Not yet. Not yet.
This is great podcasting. Yeah, and there it was.
So that was like 30 seconds. I don't know.
That is so weird. I swear.
It's so random. Yeah.
It is. I promise you.
I haven't done a Rubik's Cube in an interview in like four or five years. That was like my thing.
I was like, yeah, bitch, I'm a nerd. Sci-fi raps.
Check it out. Well, you're back now.
That's a pretty solid Rubik's Cube too. Just like we've had a Rubik's Cube expert on the show, and I can tell that's a fast cube.
That's not like one that you just buy at a Kmart. Bro, I bought probably $900 worth of Rubik's Cubes and Speed Cubes, which is actually a lot.
You wouldn't think about it, but it's like $900. It's like, bro, these things are like maybe $20, like not even for like a speed cube.
And like I was so into it. Bro, I was so – like that's why I'm a freak.
Anything I do or get into or love or I'm passionate about, I have to like – I obsess over it and I have to master it. I used to do this Rubik's Cube for maybe eight hours a day.
Like I would just do it and do it. My hands would hurt and shit and i'd be feeling like a old man like i had arthritis and i could it was like hard to sleep i have a problem damn um yeah just my last last question have you ever it sounds like you like to make music for yourself as much as for anybody else like to scratch whatever creative itch is going on inside your head at that given time you feel inspired you want to go create something you listen to it back you see somebody else enjoy it and you're like that's great i'm glad i did that have you ever like come up with a really sick song and just been like you know what fuck it i'm not gonna let anybody else ever listen to this this is going to be my song that only i get to listen to you know like keep it for yourself uh yeah i have uh thousands of those songs that's awesome so you should just start saying like actually my best stuff that i've ever done not released you don't get to hear yeah i i already say that yeah yeah man because because over my career it's like i've created thousands and thousands of songs.
And there's some really great shit. Even when I was 18, that's really good.
There's also stuff at 18 that's horrible. But there's some shit that's like, yo, it's just me and this beat and these raps.
And this shit is tight. And nobody's ever heard it.
And I don't know that they ever will. So how do you decide decide that if there's a song that you make that you're really proud of and you know it's a great song how do you decide okay i'm you know what i'm gonna keep this one for myself well i think today i don't it's weird it's like i don't really hold on to stuff so i don't i don't do that.
I think I did it back then because there was something about it that wasn't right to put out. There was some reason that I didn't want it to be out, even though I may have loved it.
It may be, it just didn't fit that project. And I'm like, Oh, the next one.
And then the next one comes and I forgot about it. And then I look back five years and I'm like, well, to me, this is dated.
Like, I't even want to, I don't want it now. I don't want anybody to hear it.
So that's kind of how it happens. Um, which you could say still happens to this, to, to this day, I guess, excuse me, but I'm not like intentionally holding stuff for myself.
Um, because I think if I am proud of it, I do want the world, um, to hear it, or at least the people that i am making it for you know these like-minded individuals that i would hope that they would enjoy it so maybe just martin screlly yeah let him pay three million dollars for it he might not know who he is no isn't that the the wu-tang guy yeah okay that was before he quit the internet um true yeah Yeah. All right.
Well, Logic, thank you so much.

We appreciate it.

Check out Bobby's book, This Bright Future, coming September 7th.

So go check it out.

Memoir, going to be awesome.

And we really appreciate your time, man.

Thank you guys so much for having me.

This is really cool.

It's so funny because my my homies like all know

and I've just always been

like an off the internet kind of guy

so it's cool to meet you guys

I've heard of you for so long

and it's cool to be here so thank you for having me

and I just

appreciate you asking genuinely dope

ass questions bean dad

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Now, here's Deion Sanders.

And now for something completely different.

Okay, we now welcome on a very good friend of ours, co-worker, also coach.

It is Coach Prime, Deion Sanders, off of a huge, huge victory on ESPN2, 7-6, a shootout. I texted you after the game.
I saw that when I was in New Jersey. It was like plus 8 is a disrespectful line for Coach Prime.
So huge first win. You got to explain to me what that means because you know I don't know.
I know you don't know. It means that you guys were getting eight points, so you could have lost by seven and I still would have won.
You won outright,

so I was happy. But I think the biggest question, though, coming off the game is

what was the conversation with Gilly after he got your team a 15-yard penalty for spiking a football

on a play that actually got overturned and came back anyway? First of all, I still don't know how we got a penalty because it was after the play. Right.
And I don't know how we could be penalized after the play, and you can't assess a person on the sideline to us. But what happened was – You barely know him.
That's what I told the referee. You got to understand, this is a true story right here.
This is true. The referee came to me and said, your kids all left the sidelines, which I'm assuming that's the penalty because the whole team ran down to the sideline.
You can't do that. So I'm getting on my team's butt, just going off on them,

just letting them have it.

After the game, I get on the plane.

And I finally check my phone.

I'm looking at my phone, and I'm saying,

Gilly, spike the ball?

Are you kidding?

What?

What?

When did that happen?

Oh, my God. I didn't find out that happened until i was on the plane i didn't know what happened so i called gilly today i said gilly i talked to the commissioner of uh the swag you're suspended for four games you can't come back to a homecoming and And your spike was horrible.
Yep, it was.

Your spike was horrible.

It was bad.

But the good news is that you're mainstream now.

You're trendy.

Yeah, for sure.

It was so funny for people who didn't see.

So it was a scoop and score that got caught. I actually agree with you that if the call gets reversed and the touchdown doesn't stand, then everything that happens after it shouldn't stand either.
Like, the touchdown didn't exist, so the celebration shouldn't exist because those go hand in hand. But Killy is sprinting down the sideline, and then one of the players hands him the ball, and he's literally on the field spiking it.
They get a 15-yard penalty. It was very funny.
It was very funny. It was hilarious.
It was funnier because we know Gilly. That's what made it funnier because how did you even get in this situation? He said, Brian, he handed me the ball.
What am I supposed to do? So that's the relationship that Gilly has with our team because he and Wallow spoke to the team before the game. That is hilarious.
Only we can appreciate that because we know Gilly and Wallow. Yeah.
And it was very funny. You could see that, like, you know, obviously your team isn't going to give a ball to somebody they don't care about.
They care about Gilly because of the impact that he's had and the speeches that he's given. But Gilly was also extremely out of position to begin with on that touchdown.
I saw how fast he was running. He's probably pushing like a, I don't know, a six, seven second 40.
I think Gilly could break five. You think so? Five what, minutes? No, I think he could break a five flat 40.
I really do. It was raining.
It was wet. It was wet.
And he never had the right cleats on. But he kept up.
Yeah, he did. He kept up.
I just couldn't believe it happened to find out on the plane that really happened. Yes.
Yeah. So what about the other big story coming out of it? Your son, we recruited him to go play for you.
Great, his performance. Which one? Well, I was going to say, Shiloh, my question was, Shiloh, who taught him how to hit? Because it wasn't you.
His dad. No.
He laid the lumber a couple times during that game when I was like, holy shit, where did he come from? He wrote that hat at least three times. That wasn't you.
You didn't teach him how to hit. It wasn't me.
I taught him everything. I also taught him how to have longevity.
See, hitting like that is not longevity. Right.
I used to hit like that until i got to the nfl yes yes but no but pft so your other son's playing so yeah great great your quarterback because like that's that was a he was an impact player you he was gonna you know come in you guys were gonna i give him a b minus okay okay that's because he you know two fumbles he told me at the halftime it's funny at the halftime, I'm saying you got your junk straight, you know, because you stuck it up, right? That's the way we talk. He said, okay, I realize that I'm not Lamar Jackson.
And we just bust out laughing. He said at halftime, I realize I'm not Lamar.
I said, cool, thank you, let's proceed. But you got to think about it.
He was 18 for 24. We had three drops.
So he would have been 21 for 24 and no, you know, no turnovers or interceptions or whatever. But some of the reads and some of the plays that he checked us into to get us out of trouble were phenomenal.
We missed a couple reads, but overall I say B minus. Okay.
That's not bad for the first time that you get meaningful action in a game.

Yeah.

And you said, what, like 18 for 24, three drops.

Three drops.

Not bad.

He's kind of got a cannon on his arm.

Like, he had a couple throws that impressed me.

I was like, okay, this kid can actually sling the ball.

Well, he's very accurate.

That's the best thing.

He's very accurate, and he's a smart.

He's a smart guy.

He wasn't smart keeping the darn ball trying to be Lamar Jacksonson yesterday that was stupid but other than that he was great the kids played great not my kids the defense the lights awesome the defense was all over the place dennis thurman the whole defensive coaching staff did a phenomenal job offensively we should have put up at least 21 25 26 points do you want to say for the record like do you want to execute your players after this game you know what to think about it's getting so bad now we can't even say anything like we have to really censor ourselves because you can't even make a mistake you can't even make a mistake anymore without being persecuted yeah i just feel like maybe maybe don't say that you're going to kill your players anything up to that line you can't got to have the personality. I could get in the press conference and say, you know what? I wanted three Stooges to slap my whole team.
I could get away with that because that's my personality. So my other question about the game was, could you see? Because those sunglasses, I don't think you could see.
I don't think you were watching the game. You sure? I don't know which ones i wore but they were clean they were awesome but i was like like i got a lot of a lot of feedback on those glasses and i guarantee you they they probably went over 12 dollars oh man those were good those look good those look good so um you also the the coach prime documentary finished last week everyone should go watch it's on youtube i love it um it was awesome

it was great beers yeah the whole crew put it put it they did a great job that's what i was

gonna ask because it's an awesome awesome documentary if you basically everything that

we miss about hard knocks they did well with with coach prime like you can you get to see an embedded

uh you know camera staff with the team all year long everything that's going on and there's going

Thank you. coach prime like you can you get to see an embedded uh you know camera staff with the team all year long everything that's going on and there's going to be another season so it's going to keep going so so it's worth it to get invested in it but yeah is there ever a time where you're like the beers guy is is is is running this like yeah are we sure it's gonna be okay doing the editing the editing doing the editing um i text uh sam i'm a guy here and when when he was chugging we'll just pause in the middle and i text him and said this is our producer yes this is the guy that we're dependent on right now are you concerned are you concerned about his uh his roller coaster ballooning like wait sometimes he'll show up and be like he's a good man here.
Here in Jackson, Mississippi he's a good man. When you guys get a hold of him you guys just tear him to shreds.
I start hearing from Mama Beers. I call him Mama Beers.
His mom calls me and says we gotta do something. Here he's a whole different guy.
I like that so what else we got planned for this season i mean obviously you want to know um what's you know oh is he here right here hey dana you look great dana credit to me i just asked i finished talking about you so he said you look great now he just got finished talking about you well no i want to say to dana i'll say it to his face credit to me me, Dana. Yeah, watch out.
Your tits are popping. That's a bad angle.

That's a bad angle.

Credit to me, Dana.

I just asked Dion about Coach Prime, and I didn't call you an alcoholic.

You know what?

I'm not doing this.

Credit to me.

I'm not doing this.

Credit to me. I'm not doing this.

Dana, come back.

Credit to me.

He's not a drunkard.

You know what he looks like?

Bring him back on camera just for one second.

Credit to me.

Just come back on camera. He cut the mullet for us.
Look, he looks like if Alexander Ovechkin got stung by bees. You got hit with a shovel.
Someone hit you with a shovel last night? Can you not badger my producer? We don't want people to respect the doc. Come on, man.
Good Lord. We love Dana.
I love Dana. But he's a mess.
You know he's a a mess. Yeah.
He's not a mess. He's a lovable mess.
We're the good man. So, so Tennessee state next week.
What are we feeling? Eddie George, Eddie George. Yes, that's right.
Eddie George. It's another big classic.
It's going to be huge. Uh, evening game.
I'm excited. I'm really excited about the possibilities.
I really am. I can't wait.
I can't wait. We're actually going up early.
We're going up Thursday evening at the practice. I'll probably take the kids to a movie.
I'll do some recruiting Friday and get ready to get down Saturday. I love it.
Love it. There was one other part of the game I want to ask you about.
Have you talked to your band after the game about like, hey, maybe let's not play music when we're inside our own 20 and we're trying to run a play you got i think you got two delay games because your band was playing this is the things that that's why i'm so thankful that we got a documentary by barstool's coach fran because you get to hear all the realness of this how we felt when we like what is wrong this is so many things that you have no idea that it's a first here like a a lot of this stuff, talking to the band, I'm pretty sure it's going to be a first about, hey, you know, you can't play when we have the ball and we're in inside the 10 yard line. You can't go challenging the other band when we have the ball.
Secondly, another first, this is going to blow your mind. This is going to blow your mind, Dan.
This is the first time in the history of Jackson State that the kids have had the names on the back of the jerseys. Oh.
The jerseys look clean. The helmets were awesome.
Awesome. This first time.
We have several different helmets, several different uniforms, but this is the first that the kids have their name on the back of the jerseys. That's cool.
And there's no one else in HBCU has their names on the back of the jersey. And I don't know why.
I'm like an extra $5 each man. Yeah.
Before we get up to really bless these kids. Yeah.
And I saw also Strahan hooked everyone up with suits. You guys, I mean, it really, you see it.
We're filming it right now. You look good.
You feel good. Like you embody it because your team looks good.
We embody it. Stray did a great job with Smack Entertainment, the management company, Constance, and the crew.
They had us looking good, man. We got off that plane, and Under Armour does their job.
We've taken this thing to new heights, and we're just going to keep going and going. And just the exposure that you guys have given us is phenomenal, man.
I love it. No one no one gets this um by the way you're you're so jackson state did technically lose the battle of the bands because i don't know if you saw well i don't know if you saw florida a&m they did they they simulated dunking a basketball at halftime it was fucking sick it was awesome their band is legendary now you do the awesome.
So the Sonic Boom guys, we didn't lose, did we? Don't please don't tell me that. If you look up this clip, it was so cool what they did with the basketball.
It was so cool. I'm sorry.
I saw a 305 on the... It's okay.
You guys get better. There's room to get better.
It's good. Put it on tape.
Well well only one band forced two false starts this weekend that's true they can't claim that yeah that is true you guys actually got in the stack book the first band to ever do that that that that is true you know what i'm liking i'm gonna get to it before you guys get to it i'm really liking Green Bay. Oh, to win the Super Bowl? I'm really liking Green Bay.
I'm really liking Josh Allen. No.
Baker Mayfield. Oh, definitely not.
I'm really liking Baltimore for some reason. I'm really liking Kansas City because they're upset,

and they're going to be a lot more focused.

There's got to be something.

If Baker Mayfield, if the Cleveland Browns win the AFC North this year,

you have to get, like, I don't know.

You have to actually, you know what?

You'll have to dress in full pads with Baker Mayfield.

Like, we'll get you a full Browns thing.

You have to do it.

I will wear a Baker shirt. No, you'll wear a jersey.
Jersey. You'll wear a jersey with full pads, and we'll tackle you.
I'm not going to wear full pads. Yeah.
All the way I'm wearing full pads, I'm actually playing in the game, and I'm getting compensated. Actually, that was my last question.
Have you – like, so the sideline's awesome. You have TOs out there.
I saw Chad Johnson out there. Devin Hester.
Devin Hester, I saw. Yes, yes.
In the locker room. Revis was by.
Ed Reed was by. It don't stop.
Have you thought of, like, have any of them asked you, like, hey, Coach Prime, can we just put a jersey on me and, like, a fake name and let me get out there for a minute? You mean, like high school team? Yes, yes. Bishop Sycamore.
Yes. Have any of them asked that? True story.
Last year when I was coaching high school, we had a game scheduled against Bishop Sycamore. Oh, wow.
And they had to get out of it. They couldn't make the travel plans or whatever.
But we had a game scheduled against Bishop Sycamore. I'm glad we didn't make it.
I'm glad everything fell through. Because they probably would have been playing against my dad.
Yes. Yeah, you would have smashed him, though.
And he's not the liar. Yes, yes.
Yeah, they have the fake records. Everyone's out there.
I have a feeling Chad Johnson has maybe said something. And T.O.
being like, let me just get out there. Like, I'll wear a different jersey.
No one will know. Maybe not the ESPN2 games.
T.O. would do it.
Yeah, T.O. would do it.
T.O. would do it.
Speaking of T.O., and he's not one of the guys, but my phone don't stop for Ruff and Rowdy. Yeah.
Snoop. Snoop call.
Snoop call. We got to take this thing to another.
We got to have a rough and rowdy meeting because all my guys want in. Pac-Man wants to square up against Ocho Cinco now.
He said he was glad that they didn't fight the first time. We can't let that happen.
We can't fight each other. Yeah, and credit to your guy Pac-Man.
I went to his hotel suite and I got my $1,000. Oh, Pac-A stand-up guy.
Yeah, I was, I walked in, it was very awkward, but I walked in, asked for $1,000 and he gave it to me and we took a picture, we took a shot, it was a great time. You mean it was awkward because you're a minority? Yeah, well it was, also it's just weird to walk in and ask someone who just lost a fight like, hey, can I get $1,000? Can you give me that $1,000? Hey, brother, can you give me that grand please? I won.
You lost. Give me that $1,000.
No, yeah. Peck is a stand-up guy, though.
I'm pretty sure he just forked it right over. Yeah, no, he's a good guy.
He's a good guy. But, yes, we will.
All right, well, Coach Prime, we'll have you back on a bunch this year. Thank you so much.
I appreciate you guys. Everyone go check it out.
Yeah, everyone go check out Coach Prime on YouTube. Watch it.
It seriously is unbelievable. I can't believe the beers guy is behind him.
The beers guy is good. The beers guy is pretty darn good.
He is very good. Keep him away from the catfish.
He cannot be touched when he's focused. Yeah, no, he's very good.
It's just crazy that you're like, all right, this guy's – he's the beers guy, and he put together, like, an incredible documentary. But, yeah, he's the beers guy.
Yeah, he's beers guy. He's the beers by night, but I call him Dana Dane by day.

Like Clark Kent and Superman.

Yeah.

He's actually the only person that's moved to Mississippi

and gotten rid of a mullet.

So you're doing some kind of magic on him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That is a great statement.

All right.

Well, thanks so much.

Okay.

And I hear he's dating a sister, but that's not you.

You didn't hear that before. Oh, okay.
All right, Dana. There you go.
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Socks at Brooks match got canceled, but that will happen. I'm just glad that he's alive.
Same with me. Same with me.
All right, Hank. If your boss is not providing you what you need to complete your job, what is the best way to go to their boss to advise them of this, but at the same time without your boss finding out it was you who went above them? That's a good question.
Billy? That's tricky. You can say it to me.
He wasn't listening. Billy, would we all agree that Billy would definitely go above us? I think Billy would say go on your boss's boss's podcast and then talk to them about the issues and make it public that way

it's transparency uh i would say uh oh this is impossible do people do anonymous letters anymore hr what about just no hr i don't trust hr hr is spies here's what i would do and this is kind of a life lesson for anything. If you to say something uh just walk by that person and sigh really loud in their ear and then they basically have to ask what's up and then you're like well since you asked i hate my boss and you should fire them that's not a bad idea or learn how to throw your voice be a ventriloquist walk by and then that's from across the room be like hey hey mary really sucks ass yeah and then be like oh who said that but i get i mean i guess it's true mary does suck ass yes i like that hi big cat pft my condolences to fat larry six no no i re i disavow your uh condolences i i rescind them i them back.
I am being considered for a promotion to a manager position and have an interview coming up soon. I think I have a good chance to land the job, but I think my company could see me as too young.
What are some tips you guys could give me to let the bosses know I'm mature enough for this position? All right. Rule number one in the interview, use my old trick, which is just say, my understanding is, before you start any sentence, it automatically makes you sound 10 times smarter.
Never say, I think or I thought. Just say, my understanding is.
And people will be like, damn, that person is good at business. Or studies say.
Yeah, many studies. Studies say.
It just came out that. Yes, right, right.
So just breaking news. Whatever you do, don't try to use your youth as an advantage and propose it that way, or your bosses might think that you're old shaming them.
We don't think it. We knew it.
The real answer is you don't want to become a manager. Right.
Like just everybody out there right now, just stay in the same job that you're at right now. and enjoy it yeah new experiences very overrated in the office i worked at an apartment complex that knew the entire building would flood but wanted us to lease the apartments anyways without telling anyone oh i quit because i can't lie like that and didn't align with my moral compass good for you now i'm having trouble getting another job because i don't want to trash talk my old company so it looks like i'm just a quitter i don't know how to explain why i quit without saying they're scumbags how would you explain quitting in that situation say they're scumbags it's your old if they're actual scumbags say they're scumbags then you like that's i think you're telling the truth uh sounds like they're not a team player big cat if they were truly scumbags and they were like we're gonna just rent this and hope everyone gets flooded and not care say that i think you just have to rebrand yourself you just have to say like i was a whistleblower if you call yourself a whistleblower then they'll be like wow thank you for your service yeah just go and be like uh i got blackballed straight up you and blake bortles both uh i'm straight out of college and still learning the ropes every now and then i'll ask i'm still learning the ropes and every now and then I'll accidentally make a mistake.
My boss would try giving me a lesson but tries to play it off like he doesn't care about the mistake. But I can tell he cares a lot.
Definitely does. So his lessons just come off very passive aggressively.
I'm a man and don't need this passive aggressive shit. How can I get my boss to realize he just either needs to yell at me like he means it or completely played off like it's a joke no in between passive aggressive stuff okay i like i like where this guy's head's at because this dude obviously used to play football yeah and he's like i'm sick of somebody trying to like explain to me in a constructive manner just scream at me that's how i just yell at me call me an asshole yeah so i i think what you need to do is you need to act like a football player that needs to be disciplined.
So you just have to like, you almost have to like start it at your boss and just like let your boss hear you cuss. If it's like at your computer, you have to be like, God damn it.
And then hope that he hears that and then hope that he kicks into football coach mode. Yeah, if you go up to him and just tell him like, hey, I respond well to discipline and hard coaching.
Either he's going to do that or he's going to try to fuck you like there but at least he'll get solved all right last one uh this is actually not really guys i'm checks related but it's football related uh hey everyone i'm in this huge predicament my flag football league at my college only has three people in it and the first game is next wednesday what i just recently transferred here and figured they would at least have more than three people, including myself. I just want to run routes and throw some dimes competitively, and I'm upset I'm not going to be able to do it.
You guys have anything that will help me cope with this loss? Appreciate you guys. Football is officially back.
It sounds like your friends are losers. He doesn't have friends.
Yeah, but was it three people? No, three people in the whole school. He thought he was going to sign up for intramurals and meet friends.
He not only doesn't have friends. Yeah, but was it three people? No, yeah, but I think those were the whole school.
He thought he was going to sign up for intramurals and meet friends. He not only doesn't have friends, but he went to a loser school.
Yeah, you need to transfer out of Williams immediately because that place is not meant for football. It's toxic to your growth.
It's honestly like, can you imagine attending a school that only had three people that wanted to play football at it? Insane. Not for me.
Not me. I would feel unsafe in that environment.
You know, that sucks. I don't really know what you'd do.
I would say, depending on how hard you want to try, you could be the naismith of your school. True.
You could start making some flyers, banging on doors, being like, hey, you guys want to play? Because there's got to be more people at the school who feel the same way. Yeah.
But they're just not vocalizing it. They need a leader.
They need a leader. They need somebody to speak up.
Right. Billy? They may have a tackle football team.
Oh. You could look at it.
Yeah, you could look for that. Like play actual football? Yeah.
I like that. But yeah, they do.
Pretty much the same commitment. Yeah, they need a leader.
That sucks. Three people for an entire intramural league? How is that even possible? Yeah, I feel like he just signed up for the wrong thing.
Yeah, what are you... Is he at a school with like 20 people? What's the email address? Is it at EDU? It's a text message, so I don't know.
Oh, okay. Does he go to Slippery Rock? He goes to Slippery Rock.
You know that school? Which one is that?

Utah.

What about Reed?

Do you go to Reed College?

Reed College, yeah.

You had a drug problem?

You addicted to drugs?

You addicted to drugs?

You had a drug problem?

You do drugs a lot?

You have a sex problem.

All right.

Numbers?

Or, Billy, got any recap?

No, we're pretty good.

All right.

Perfect.

Clean show.

97.

8. 18.
Clean show. 97.
8.

18.

69.

69.

57.

Damn.

So close.

Hippos sweat blood.

What?

Is that true?

It's red substance that they sweat

And it looks like blood

That's sick

That is pretty cool

Love you guys

talking away i don't know what i'm up to say

today's an update to find you

shying away I don't know what I'm to say on stage anyway.

Today's an outday to find you shying away.

I'll be coming for your love, okay?

Take on me.

Take me on.

I'll be gone.

And after your tears.

Needless to say.

I'm all descended.

But I'll be gone in a dark tree. All the things that you say, yeah, little I, but just the frame I will lead away.
You're all the things I've got to remember. Shying away I'll be coming for you anyway.

Take on me.

Take me on.

I'll be gone.

In a day.

I'll be your winner

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