CFB W/ Tom Fornelli, Ken Burns On The New Ali Doc, And Mt Rushmore Of Things That Make You Cool

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Speaker 6 On today's part of my take, we have a twofer Friday twofer going into Labor Day weekend. We have a two.

Speaker 6 We had a twofer.

Speaker 7 We got a twofer, Hank.

Speaker 6 We had a twofer. For the people? For the people.
For the people. For

Speaker 6 the people.

Speaker 6 We've got

Speaker 6 Tom Ferneli. Hank just totally threw me off my game there.
I don't know what he's doing.

Speaker 3 We always say Tufer for the people.

Speaker 6 I'm sorry. I was trying to change it up that time.

Speaker 3 Sorry, my brain is trained for.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 Hank's reset.

Speaker 6 He is. He is.
No, no, no.

Speaker 6 Hank went to the gym today. Hank went to the gym today, so he thinks he's tougher than all of us.
All right. Tufer for the people.
Tom Ferneli,

Speaker 6 college football, huge slate this weekend. We talk about some of the games this weekend.
He gives you a lock, so you're going to want to listen to that. and who's going to be good this year.

Speaker 6 Then we have Ken Burns, the most famous documentarian of all time.

Speaker 7 I think the only documentary. Ken Burns has his own genre.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 he's incredible. So we talked to him about his new

Speaker 6 four-part series on Muhammad Ali, the greatest of all time. So we have that, and then we have Mount Rushmore.
Things that make you, when you do, things that make you seem cool.

Speaker 7 Yeah, can I just say that with Ken Burns, if maybe you have a dad that you've been trying to get into parts I take for a while, this is a great dad gateway up to the show.

Speaker 6 Yes, absolutely. So, gonna be a great show.

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Speaker 6 Okay, let's go.

Speaker 6 And then we'll take it higher.

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Speaker 7 And then the next one. It's part of my take presenting by Boston Sports.

Speaker 6 Welcome to part of my take presented by Dave and Busters, the greatest place on earth. Yes, I said that.
Today is Friday, September 3rd. And boys, football is back.

Speaker 6 He didn't think I was going to do it there.

Speaker 6 He thought I was going to talk about Brooks right off the top because I said, yeah, we'll do Brooks right off the top. Nope.
I snuck attack him with the football is back.

Speaker 7 Football is back. And guess what? Next week, football is going to be be even more back than it is right now because there's more back.
Again. But right now, this is a great Friday of football.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Really good Friday of football. And then obviously we've got week.

Speaker 7 Is Friday technically week one or is it still?

Speaker 6 No, that'd be week one.

Speaker 7 I feel like it's week 0.9.

Speaker 6 No, that'd be week one.

Speaker 6 We're in week one.

Speaker 7 And then Saturday,

Speaker 6 huge, huge sleep. Tonight is week one.
Yeah, tonight's week one. No, actually, last night was week one.
Right. Well, I had UAB, minus 16 and a half.
Winner. Week one.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so we're taping this early because this is probably probably our last chance for the next five months to have a semi-early night. So if Ohio State loses, haha, I think they won't, but ha ha.

Speaker 6 Great, great slate coming up. We're going to talk to Tom Fornelly about college football in this weekend.
We should talk about Brooks, though. So here's our schedule.

Speaker 6 We're not going to obviously have a show on Monday because it is Labor Day. We will, though, have a show on Tuesday with our friend Andy Staples recapping all of college football.

Speaker 6 And then on Wednesday, we will have another show, and then Friday as well. So Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday next week, because Tuesday, we're going out to Liberty National.

Speaker 6 PFT and I are caddying for our guy, Brooks Kepka, against our boss, Dave Portnoy, in a $250,000 loser-leaves town charity match.

Speaker 3 But Brooks is a professional golfer.

Speaker 6 Won't he destroy him? That's a good question.

Speaker 7 Good question. But he's going to Southpaw.

Speaker 7 He's hitting lefty. Lefty.
He put out a video last week, which is pretty impressive, of him teeing off off of Coors Light Bottle. Yep.
And he just knocked the top right off of it.

Speaker 7 He's deadly accurate with his driver left-handed.

Speaker 7 I think having me and Big Cat on the bag is going to be a huge advantage for at least like the first hole that we're on until Big Cat and I get too tired.

Speaker 7 It's going to inevitably ask him to just carry his own clothes.

Speaker 6 It's going to be an emotional jolt for about...

Speaker 6 15 minutes for him, us being caddies, because we have our caddy suits. We're in the big caddy jumpers, which Brooks told me, be prepared to sweat your balls off.

Speaker 6 So that's going to suck. Not an issue.
Not an issue.

Speaker 6 But it's going to be fun. And you're going to be able to watch it on live stream.
I think we'll be on the YouTube, on Instagram, on Twitter. Jake will be there.
Billy will be there. Liam, Hank.

Speaker 6 And we have new club covers. Is that what you call them? Yeah, club covers.

Speaker 6 We're caddies. Head covers.

Speaker 7 We're caddies. Head covers.

Speaker 6 Head covers.

Speaker 3 We got part of my take, head covers, part of my take.

Speaker 6 Not yamakas.

Speaker 3 Towels. No, not yamakas.
There's a limited amount. They're going on sale Friday, 10 a.m.
So if you want one, if you're a golfer, make sure you listen, get it at 10 a.m.

Speaker 3 because they're probably going to be sold out.

Speaker 7 We should do part of my take Yamaka's. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And then Brooks is going to be on the show afterwards.
So we'll have him on for Wednesday, which will be great. So it's going to be a great day.
Everyone, tune in.

Speaker 6 We wanted to get the message out there in case you get to the show late on Tuesday.

Speaker 6 Listening up, what?

Speaker 3 Have you talked to Brooks about how he feels about? Because

Speaker 3 Dave is who he's playing. Doesn't really golf, but his mom was a golf instructor, teacher, coach growing up.
So he has a good swing, good fundamentals. Foundation's there, but he doesn't really play.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 he's not like in great golf shape, I would say.

Speaker 6 But it really is, I don't know. I don't know where Brooks is at.
Brooks has told me that

Speaker 6 he can drive it far with lefty. He can actually putt decently lefty.
He said the irons are a little dicey. We don't know where it's going sometimes.

Speaker 7 But that's fine, though. I honestly think that the long drives are going to be intimidating.
Yeah. Right off the T,

Speaker 7 if he can can bomb it like 300 yards, that's great. With us on the bag,

Speaker 7 we already know that he's got the favor of God and nature. Did you see his putt with the butterfly today?

Speaker 6 Love it.

Speaker 7 A butterfly

Speaker 7 followed his ball and knocked it in. It looked like Tinkerbell following Peter Pan around.

Speaker 6 Is this like a Tom Brady video?

Speaker 3 I was going to say he does have the same crew that films and edits Tom Brady's videos, filming that.

Speaker 7 No, no, this was during a tournament. It was in live.
It was tournament play. Beautiful.

Speaker 7 Mike Torico, both perverted and Italian, was the one that was on the call and narrated the butterfly shoving Brooks' ball into the.

Speaker 6 I love it. So we need more butterflies out there.

Speaker 6 All right. So, yeah, that's going to be on Tuesday morning.
It's going to be great. We're going to be out at Liberty National.
I'm very excited for that.

Speaker 3 We're going to say what happens if he loses.

Speaker 6 The show's over.

Speaker 6 I don't agree to that necessarily. We haven't just been able to get it.
But it would be thrilling. Was that not thrilling for a second there? What do you wear? We all quit.

Speaker 6 My big concern is, well, a couple things.

Speaker 7 It's the caddy suit, right? So we're wearing like the Masters all-white caddy suit after Labor Day. Some would say that's a fashion faux pas.
What do you wear underneath the caddy suit?

Speaker 7 Do you just go, you just go nude?

Speaker 6 No, I just raw dogs. I think you should wear shorts, maybe, and a t-shirt.

Speaker 3 If you've learned from the frisbee golf, you should probably wear an undershirt.

Speaker 7 I should probably wear an undershirt.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yes, yes. But the ladies will be out.
What happens if they lose?

Speaker 6 I think we distance ourselves from Brooks, is probably the way to do it for a brief stretch, and then we come back.

Speaker 3 How will you deflect blame?

Speaker 6 I will.

Speaker 6 hmm. Good question, Hank.

Speaker 6 I'll probably blame someone around me.

Speaker 7 I'm going to fake an injury, right? Billy, bad, I'm telling you, like, if it's not looking good in the front nine, I'm going to cramp up.

Speaker 3 Billy.

Speaker 6 Billy did something. Fill in the blank.
God damn it, Billy. That just sounds natural, doesn't it? So we'll just blame Billy.
Maybe we'll have Billy

Speaker 6 help us. He'll be like Caddy Apprentice.
He'll walk with us so that we can blame him if things go wrong. Like we need someone around us who it's like, here's our fall guy.

Speaker 6 And then maybe Billy is that guy. Don't you think? Or Jake the Jinx.
Jake the Jinx is also

Speaker 6 on the board when it comes to blame.

Speaker 7 I'm worried about Billy wearing camouflage out in the golf course. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I'm just going to trip over Billy at some point.

Speaker 6 We're going to lose him. Oh, no.
Can we come out and watch? Yeah.

Speaker 6 But not more, I don't think, because I think we're full.

Speaker 7 We can blame Hurricane Ida. We can just be like, yeah, the course conditions weren't great because of the rain.
Yes.

Speaker 6 By the way, thank you, Billy, for your service. You were pushing cars last night in New Jersey.

Speaker 6 Deep water.

Speaker 6 Great guy. Yep, great guy.
That's a fucking hero. Everyone survived Hurricane Ida.
That sucked. That really sucked.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it looked pretty dicey for a little bit in my apartment when the ceiling started to crash.

Speaker 6 Same, man.

Speaker 7 Same. Like, there was a big gap opening up right above me, and I was like, I'm going to die a week before football starts, NFL football starts.

Speaker 7 And that would be, if I'm going to die, kill me right after the Super Bowl. Yes.

Speaker 7 Don't let me wait through an entire summer and read all these articles about training camp depth charts and then knock me off like a week before kickoff.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I agree. I agree.
All right, what else going on in sports before we get to our Mount Rushmore? Mark Davis has a super layer mansion, which looks awesome and hopefully has a P.F.

Speaker 6 Changs inside of it.

Speaker 7 Oh, I love the mansion. I absolutely am digging it.
It's got in the blueprints, it says, here's the man cave. It looks incredible.
$14 million. It's right outside Vegas.

Speaker 7 We got to go there at some point. We got to get an invite.
So, Guy Fieri, if you're listening, I know you're a fan of the show. I know you're in close with the Davis family.

Speaker 7 You're going to get the invite to the pool party. If you have a plus one, use part of my take as your entire plus one.
I need to be there. There's also big news in ESPN world, which is Stephen A.

Speaker 7 Smith has found his rotating cast of people he's just going to mow down on first take on Fridays. Who do you think is going to be his co-host on Fridays, big cat? Tebow.
Yes, it's Tim Tebow.

Speaker 7 Jesus Christ. Tim Tebow.
I'm going to call it Good Friday.

Speaker 7 That's a PFT trademark, and it's going to be him just... The whole point of Tebow being on that show is just so Stephen A.
Smith can rub it and skip Bayless's face.

Speaker 7 Like, I have your boyfriend, and he's my coworker.

Speaker 6 Yep, yep. Who else is on?

Speaker 7 All I paid attention to was

Speaker 7 Stephen A. versus Jesus H.

Speaker 6 Michael Irvin, I think. Oh, Michael Irvin? Okay.
All right. He'll be calm.
He's going to bring him up and knock him down.

Speaker 7 Just screaming at each other. Get the blood going.

Speaker 6 I like it.

Speaker 6 All right. Anything else that we should get to before Mount Rushmore? Obviously, there's football games tonight, but again, we're taping a a little early.
And guess what?

Speaker 6 You get enough college football with Tom for. Is Michael Irvin with the SPN? I don't think so.
I think he just floats. Yeah, he is kind of hits.
Oh, no, wait, he is. And he's doing both.

Speaker 10 I'm wearing this article.

Speaker 6 It still says he's an analyst for NFL Network. Yeah, he's a freelancer.

Speaker 7 Michael Irvin is a freelancer. He just says hits place.

Speaker 6 Playmaker, yeah.

Speaker 7 Just not on the pipe anymore. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 6 He's, remember that time he was down sweating just profusely in, where were they? Might have been Tallas. Yes.
On TV. Big sweat.
Whoa, dude.

Speaker 7 He actually trumps both Patrick Ewing and Chapman. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 Oh, tonight, U.S.

Speaker 7 soccer kicks off World Cup qualifying, gets El Salvador.

Speaker 6 It would be a shame.

Speaker 7 The hexagonal has now improved to the octagonal. It's two more teams.

Speaker 6 A real shame.

Speaker 7 I'm not down with that this year. I'm not down with the negativity from Big Cat Winter.

Speaker 6 I'm not negative.

Speaker 6 Wait, whoa. Whoa, when was I negative? I said it would be a shame if we didn't make the World Cup.

Speaker 7 I think that this is the year. This is the year for U.S.
soccer. To do what? To make the World Cup.

Speaker 6 Okay. But it would be a shame.
And if we just kept on missing them, it would be a shame. I want them to make it.
Although, who can't... When is the World Cup?

Speaker 7 Dubai. Next year?

Speaker 6 November.

Speaker 7 This year? No, next year.

Speaker 7 During football season. During football season.
Don't care.

Speaker 10 How do I care? Go back six wins from glory.

Speaker 6 The guy just does it all. Come down six wins.
Has he buried it anyway?

Speaker 6 What?

Speaker 3 Blake put up an Instagram with him.

Speaker 6 Blake Griffin? Oh, he's at the U.S. Open? I don't know what I found.

Speaker 3 I think they're at a dinner or something.

Speaker 6 Hell yeah. Jake, how do you pronounce that guy's name?

Speaker 7 Sissy Pass? Sitsipas. Sissy Pass.
Sipas.

Speaker 6 He goes to the bathrooms he must.

Speaker 7 The only reason I know about him is he's like stopped three matches so far in the U.S. Open because he just always has to shit during them.

Speaker 6 You might have a UTI. No, it's the other hole.

Speaker 7 It's his butt. He's got Lamar Jacksonitis.
They've had to delay matches, and his opponent is getting pissed off at him because he has to poop. Sitsipas.

Speaker 7 So that's my new goat now in tennis, the guy that shits all the time.

Speaker 6 All right, let's get to Mount Rushmore.

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Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 Mount Rushmore. Who wants to start? Are we doing numbers? Numbers.
We're doing the Mount Rushmore of things

Speaker 6 that make you seem cool. Things that make you seem cool.

Speaker 7 Things that make you seem or look cool. Cool.

Speaker 6 I'm taking.

Speaker 7 I'm going to go 50 right down the middle. 17.

Speaker 6 Playing the odds. Is this one last stance for Mount Rushmore?

Speaker 6 I think we go all the way to NFL season. Right? Okay.
So it will be Wednesday will be the last Mount Rushmore. The last Mushroommore.
And well, you know what? I'll say it right now.

Speaker 6 We'll do it with Brooks. We'll do the last Mount Rushmore with Brooks.
We'll think of something good, and that will be it for the summer.

Speaker 3 We have been requesting Mount Rushmore of Mount Rushmores that we've done in the entire past.

Speaker 7 But we've already done that before.

Speaker 6 Have we? We would never do that again. No, we went.
We would never, ever.

Speaker 7 We could do the Mount Flushmore of Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 10 Also, one we get a lot is PMT moments.

Speaker 6 And didn't we do? Oh, we did Grit Week moments. Yeah.
Okay. We'll think.
We'll consider those. All right.
Well, 17.

Speaker 6 22. 5-0.

Speaker 6 What did you guys say? 16.

Speaker 6 Oh, dude, that's funny.

Speaker 6 Cool.

Speaker 6 60.

Speaker 6 60.

Speaker 6 So Billy and Jake decide.

Speaker 7 The order. Will go first, Hank goes second, PFT third.
And I'll go last.

Speaker 7 Now, is this more of a Hank, or sorry, is this more of a Billy list or is this a Jake list? Or is this total collaboration?

Speaker 10 It depends how the

Speaker 6 everything goes. I don't know.

Speaker 7 Have you decided already on your 1-1? Are you doing that right now?

Speaker 6 No, they were debating. All I heard when they were getting ready was Billy's like, we should do this first.
And Jake was like, we should do something more serious.

Speaker 7 Buying a frog.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 Go for it, Billy.

Speaker 6 I'm giving you the green light.

Speaker 9 Something that is extremely cool: respecting women.

Speaker 6 Oh,

Speaker 6 okay. So that was the one that was like,

Speaker 6 it's not a joke, but Billy's making a joke of it.

Speaker 7 No, it's very serious.

Speaker 6 Yeah, right. Very cool.
Why are you winking at us? That's cool. Yeah.
Okay. Cool.
Very cool.

Speaker 7 Who was the last woman you respected?

Speaker 6 Quick.

Speaker 7 Margaret Thatcher.

Speaker 6 Nice.

Speaker 7 Problematic. Okay.

Speaker 3 Me and Bubba will go with giving the waitress your card without looking at the bill.

Speaker 6 I'd love it. I do it all the time.
It's the best fucking feeling. Powerful.
Because it's just fast, speeds it up.

Speaker 7 Good move. Speeds it up.
Get in, get out. You don't even need to look at it.
It is what it is already. Okay.
Number one for me, this is my 1-1. Glad it's still on there.

Speaker 7 Executing a perfect dap or handshake with somebody. Yep.

Speaker 7 When When it's crisp, when you get that snap, when you get the pop, and it looks like you knew that you were going to pull it off the entire time, but in reality, you were just full sweating, full anxiety going into this handshake, and you nail it.

Speaker 7 Very relatable.

Speaker 6 Very relatable. Very relatable.
All right.

Speaker 6 I will go with dunking. Dunking is very cool.
If you can dunk, that's a fucking awesome thing that people are like, whoa, that guy dunks.

Speaker 6 And then I will go with knowing the bartender. When you go into a bar and you know the bartender, the bartender knows you, people are like, damn, that's pretty fucking cool.

Speaker 6 It was like, give a little conversation. You're a regular.
It's cool.

Speaker 7 All right. My number two is.

Speaker 6 You don't think so? No, I have to. Oh, no.
I was looking at Hayden.

Speaker 3 I have a similar one. I'm trying to decipher whether or not it's going to count or not.

Speaker 6 Okay, okay.

Speaker 7 I had one that is similar too, but I feel like that covers it. It's a good move when you go in.
Yeah. Especially if other people see you.
That's nice. Yes.
But I'll tell you what,

Speaker 7 it's even nice if you're the only person going in. It makes you feel cool.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it makes you feel yourself.

Speaker 6 It makes you feel cool, and also it makes you like, there's definitely when you go into a bar, there's a hierarchy of like people in the bar, and you immediately jump to the top. Yep.

Speaker 7 My number two is going to be riding a motorcycle. Nice.
Riding a motorcycle.

Speaker 6 On my list.

Speaker 7 Always very cool. Always.

Speaker 6 It was either that or rollerblading for me.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's one or the other.

Speaker 6 You just go hand in hand.

Speaker 7 Usually it's the same person. Usually that's what they have in the saddlebags on the motorcycles.
They're blades.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I actually like to ride a motorcycle with rollerblades blades for extra stability.

Speaker 7 On the side?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I just keep my feet on the ground.

Speaker 7 I don't even walk anymore. I just, it's wheels all the way down, baby.

Speaker 6 All right. Hank?

Speaker 6 A look of consternation has gone over his face.

Speaker 3 So the one that this I've been nailing words this week.

Speaker 6 I don't know what's up with that.

Speaker 3 Similar to yours, Big Cat, but it's when it's like a crowded bar.

Speaker 3 There's a line outside and you walk up and you either know like a manager comes out to let you in or a bouncer lets you in and everyone in line sees that you just walk up and get in and they're immediately like, oh, that guy's got to be cool.

Speaker 6 Skipping the line in.

Speaker 6 I'd say that's legally cutting lines is a very cool move. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Not, yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Like, like, it's not something that people are like, oh, you can't cut.
Like, being able to cut. Right.
Yep. Very, very good one.
Billy? Billy's like.

Speaker 7 I had one that we wanted last.

Speaker 6 Oh, geez. These guys.
It's falling apart.

Speaker 7 Playing contact sports. Playing contact sports.
Very cool.

Speaker 6 Very cool.

Speaker 7 How many contact sports are there? Do you define basketball or is that... That's not a contact sport.

Speaker 6 Football is not a contact sport. Yeah, that's a

Speaker 7 helmet sport. No, that's a collision sport.
Football is a collision sport, not a contact sport.

Speaker 6 What are you talking about? You don't want to do that. Basketball is definitely a contact sport.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's not too much contact anymore.

Speaker 7 Playing basketball in the year 1986.

Speaker 6 Is soccer a contact sport? Absolutely not.

Speaker 6 All right. I don't get this.
Absolutely not. That's an absolutely not for the people at home.
It's basically. Did you see Ronaldo slap that guy? No.
I did see that. Pathetic.

Speaker 7 Pathetic.

Speaker 6 I just love hating Ronaldo. It's something I truly don't care about, but I love doing it online.

Speaker 7 Oh, I really do not like Ronaldo. Yeah, I don't like him.

Speaker 6 I don't really care.

Speaker 7 I don't like him.

Speaker 6 All right. Playing contact sports, Billy.
Number your third pick.

Speaker 6 Boozing. Boozing.
Having a cold one. Nice.
Nice.

Speaker 7 Contact sports boozing. What was your first one again? Respecting women.
Respecting women.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he's got it all.

Speaker 6 We're about to beat up this one.

Speaker 3 Having a court or field named after you.

Speaker 7 Yes, that is cool. Wait, no, just a field.

Speaker 6 Or a court. No, not a court at all.
No, court's kind of lame.

Speaker 7 Court's really lame. Yeah, courts are lame.
You can't name a court after yourself. The court is the court.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 But field.

Speaker 7 A field, yeah, because it's a living thing. Yeah.
You want a bunch of dead stuff named after you?

Speaker 3 And it just means, it literally means you're either filthy rich or you're an absolute legend. But either way, if you're like, yeah, this is my field, like, it's like, oh, holy shit.

Speaker 7 Or you, like, made them name it after you sometimes.

Speaker 7 That can be an option, too, for a court.

Speaker 3 Sometimes you're like the most winningest person in your entire profession. So out of a sign of respect, you get a court named after you, just hypothetically speaking.

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of other examples as well.

Speaker 3 I was more talking about like,

Speaker 3 you know, NBA players that will renovate their town's gym and then they name it after them where it's like. They're still, they're not old.

Speaker 3 They're like active, active younger people, but they're just such a G that they have their high school's gym name.

Speaker 7 I think that if you get a court named after you and you're the all-time winningest person at your profession, it's actually like kind of that's small potatoes. That's almost a slap in the face.

Speaker 7 It should be called like the house that so-and-so built. I like that.

Speaker 6 Or

Speaker 7 not necessarily the court itself.

Speaker 6 But that counts.

Speaker 3 With this example, if you see the house that PFT built for the studio,

Speaker 7 that would be way cooler than being like, this is the PFT podcasting table.

Speaker 7 Which one would you rather have? For me, the choice is easy.

Speaker 6 All right, PFT, your next podcast.

Speaker 7 For mine, I'm going to go with

Speaker 7 nailing a parallel park in front of an audience so if there's like an outdoor seating arrangement at a restaurant set up you pull up next to it it's a tough parallel park the stakes are high people are watching and you nail it and not even the front swoop you just nail it in the very first backup one step out hit the button you're remote lock the car so a great pick I this is something separate,

Speaker 6 not about the pick in specific, but I do think that parallel parking, the art of parallel parking has been completely bastardized by these cameras now. Yep.
It sucks. It's not the same.

Speaker 6 It doesn't feel even like... Astricks.
It really does. Like, I'll parallel park, I'll nail it, and I'll be like, you know what? This is just a different, it's a live ball error.

Speaker 6 It's not the same. It is tough.
It was always awesome when it was like no cameras, just fucking crush it.

Speaker 7 I'm always shocked also when I rent a car and it has the backup camera. I'm like, ooh, that's fancy.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and the side cameras, there's everything.

Speaker 7 Wow, they've got a backup camera and everything. Yeah, that came out in like 2005.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 It blows my mind when I see it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 Let's see. Let's see.
I got to get a couple of good ones here.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 Fixing stuff. So being the guy who can just fix anything.
Like, oh. Like, it's, it's, you know, like, oh, the boat, like, something got broken on the boat.
Oh, I got this. I fixed it.

Speaker 6 I, you know, did this real quick. The MacGyver of the group, the fixer guy, is always cool.

Speaker 6 Anytime someone could do something with their hands, fixing a flat tire, which I can do that, but, or like popping a car hood and then like tinkering around, boom, you're fixed.

Speaker 6 That's a fucking cool thing. Uh-huh.
It's a cool thing.

Speaker 7 I mean, yeah, if it comes to like an appliance in your house, one time I fixed a washing machine,

Speaker 7 I saw how to do it on a YouTube video, and then I just copied exactly what the real cool person was doing and did it myself.

Speaker 7 Didn't tell anybody that that's how I learned how to do it, but I felt felt like an actual man. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So fixing things with your hands, that's a cool thing.

Speaker 6 And then last, I'll do having a guy. So having a guy for everything.
Like you need tickets? I got a guy. You need this? I got a guy.

Speaker 6 So having just a guy, every time you need something, hey, I got a guy. Hooking people up with those type of connections, it feels great.

Speaker 7 It's tough, though, when your guy falls through. Because then you have to say, my guy fell through.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you have to have a guy, though, but it's a cool feeling when someone's like, oh, I want to do this. It's like, I got you.
I have a guy. Here, call this guy, and you'll be all set.

Speaker 6 The best feeling in the world.

Speaker 6 I rarely have it. Sometimes I do it with Billy.

Speaker 6 People are like, I want to get my bench up.

Speaker 7 I'm like, I have a guy. I got a bench guy.
I got a bench mob.

Speaker 6 I want to get a frog. I got a guy.

Speaker 7 All right, my last one.

Speaker 7 Smoking a cigarette. Yeah.
Smoking a cigarette looks cool.

Speaker 6 Very hard.

Speaker 6 I don't care who's

Speaker 3 kids vape these days, too.

Speaker 6 Vape.

Speaker 7 But smoking a cigarette.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, it's good to pay for good pay.

Speaker 7 Smoking an analog cigarette is cool as fuck.

Speaker 6 It's cool. Yeah, it is.
It is.

Speaker 7 I haven't smoked in a long time, but I'm telling you what, like, Jake, the second I get back to the Northside Tavern, I'm smoking a full pack of Cowboy Killers.

Speaker 6 Cop.

Speaker 7 Thank you.

Speaker 7 You don't think smoking is cool?

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 10 I think smoking cigarettes is gross.

Speaker 6 No! All right. So thank you.

Speaker 7 That's the best endorsement I could ever have.

Speaker 6 Jake's cool. Having allergies.

Speaker 3 So this one, actually, Big Cat. Big Cat is a prime example of this, despite his age and his, you know, how often he frequents going out and stuff.

Speaker 3 But being able to win a chug-off in deciding fashion is very, very cool.

Speaker 6 I still have that. You still have that.

Speaker 3 I can't do it. Like, no matter how much I drink, I can't chug fast.

Speaker 3 When you're at a party or you're somewhere and you see two people, like, ready, three, two, one, and one person just, like, one second chugs it, the other person has to, like, take a few gulps.

Speaker 3 The other guy looks cool every time.

Speaker 6 It impresses everyone. It is, like, the one thing that I have in my back pocket.
I can't do a lot of things. I can chug a beer very quickly.

Speaker 3 And every time you do it, I'm like, that's cool as fuck.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Thank you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 You know what makes it real cool is that you don't, you're never the one who's like, hey, let's chug this beer.

Speaker 6 No, I always get challenged.

Speaker 7 So if somebody gets challenged to it, they don't say anything and they step up and they just crush the guy that challenges them. Yes.
That's the cool part.

Speaker 6 Yes. Yeah, you're right.
Because walking around being like, let's chug is kind of lame.

Speaker 7 That was Billy's fourth. Yeah, Billy's fourth.
Are you an open the throat guy when you chug, or did you just muscle it down?

Speaker 7 How far down there are you? Like, there's some people that just pour it down.

Speaker 6 You want to go find out, Billy? No, I don't want to find out.

Speaker 6 I think it's more impressive the guys that don't know that weird trick where they just pour it down their throat.

Speaker 7 I think Billy's trying to see if you run a gimmick offense. Yeah.
And that's why he's a bad person.

Speaker 6 No, he's really trying to figure out if I have a gag reflex.

Speaker 3 The fact that Billy, like, as much as Billy drinks, like, you would still beat him a chug off. Like, that's cool.

Speaker 6 Yes, correct. I would crush you.

Speaker 6 Now he's thinking about it.

Speaker 7 In Billy's head right now, it's absolutely a question of two football teams playing against each other.

Speaker 7 One runs like flea flickers in reverses, and the other's like, I'll bet you if they just lined up hat on against us, we can't do it.

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 6 I don't guys know it.

Speaker 6 I don't know what I do.

Speaker 6 I just drink it really fast.

Speaker 7 Like, there's some guys who have that trick where they can just, like, open their throat and just hold it.

Speaker 6 I've never thought about it. Yeah.
I've never thought about it.

Speaker 7 How far does your throat open, Billy? I can't do that. I have to muscle it down.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 There's people out there who know what I'm talking about. God, Billy, you're the straightest dude ever.

Speaker 6 Yeah, dude. You couldn't.

Speaker 7 My throat doesn't even, I can't even swallow things. That's actually.

Speaker 6 I have to put a finger up my ass to get my throat open.

Speaker 7 Our last pick. This guy blew me.
I didn't even come.

Speaker 10 Our last pick. It's pretty basic, kind of open-ended.

Speaker 6 Being nice.

Speaker 6 Oh, my God. It's cool.

Speaker 6 You know what? I actually think that is cool.

Speaker 7 It's cool.

Speaker 7 Because

Speaker 7 going back to what McConaughey taught us about.

Speaker 6 Chickstake guys that are nice.

Speaker 3 That's the saying.

Speaker 7 Sometimes nerds are cool when they're cool about being nerds.

Speaker 3 In movies.

Speaker 7 I think that's a good answer, Jake. Being nice.

Speaker 6 Okay. We'll see.
I mean, I do think you are cool. Thanks.
Yeah. And you are nice.
Thanks. Okay, there we go.
What do we miss? A lot. Driving a convertible.

Speaker 7 Yeah, very cool.

Speaker 6 Surfing?

Speaker 7 I had skateboarding on mine. Skateboarding.
Leather jackets.

Speaker 6 Leather jackets. Oh,

Speaker 6 perfect. Like,

Speaker 6 perfect stubble. Yep.
That's a very cool thing. When you see a guy with like the perfect facial hair, the movie star stubble, where it's like, maybe it's been two days.
Yeah. And it's a full.

Speaker 6 Oh, very cool.

Speaker 7 I get that a lot.

Speaker 3 For the high school and like younger college kids, but being able to buy booze underage or like getting into

Speaker 6 bars with fake IDs.

Speaker 6 Having a fake, being the one guy with a fake ID is as cool as it gets.

Speaker 7 But with great power comes great responsibility. It is cool until you realize how much work that you have to do now that you're the only one that has it.

Speaker 3 No, also when I was in college, I had no money and I would just go to the store for like 10 people and then with the extra like few dollars, I could buy booze myself.

Speaker 6 Also, totally hypothetical.

Speaker 6 I don't even know if this is what people do or people talk about.

Speaker 6 I don't know. It's just totally hypothetical.
Being the guy who gets the Coke. That's cool.

Speaker 6 But that's hypothetical. Being the drug guy.
Yeah. Yeah.
Being the drug guy. Yes.
That's hypothetical, folks.

Speaker 7 Being Lenny Kravitz. Lenny Kravitz is just cool.

Speaker 6 Yep.

Speaker 7 He hasn't even had any figures in like the last 20 years, but he's still cool.

Speaker 3 Pulling off a top hat. That was one where I

Speaker 6 didn't

Speaker 3 want to say it because I can't, but like not top hat, but like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 Like the cool hat guy. Cool hat guy.
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
Pulling off a cool hat is definitely...

Speaker 6 There's just certain guys that you see them. It's like they're just John Mayer types where they put on a hat and you're like, that guy's fucking cool.

Speaker 7 Packing a huge dinger. Nope.
I don't think that's cool. It's not as cool as you think that it is.

Speaker 6 Catching a fish.

Speaker 7 Yeah, catching a fish is cool.

Speaker 6 Cool. You don't think so?

Speaker 7 Yeah, catching a fish is is difficult.

Speaker 6 With a rod?

Speaker 6 Yeah, catching a fish. Taking a picture with your fish and making your Twitter avatar.

Speaker 7 What Billy said, though, about packing a dinger, it's classic, Billy, because in the moment, you feel like you're the coolest person. You're not.

Speaker 7 You're actually the most disgusting person in the room at the time. And that's coming from a guy that does it occasionally.
Like, you got to know that. Okay, it was pretty cool at one point.

Speaker 6 Yeah, well, I mean, but it's not cool. It's not cool.
Okay. All right.

Speaker 7 Puking more than everybody.

Speaker 6 Hitting a dinger. Yeah.
That's cool.

Speaker 7 Hitting a a home run. Catching a foul ball and not dropping your beer or your baby.

Speaker 6 Yep, that's very cool.

Speaker 7 Being very state in a sport. Yep.

Speaker 7 Fuck, I had that one on my list, Billy. Are you?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Oh, fuck yes. What state?

Speaker 6 New York State. Hell yeah.
Sitting courtside?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 If you sit court side, it doesn't really matter who you are. You're cool for that game.

Speaker 7 Frankie Muna sits courtside. I don't think he's cool.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah, he's cool.

Speaker 7 You think Malcolm in the middle is cool? He's cool.

Speaker 3 Being verified, Instagram only, parentheses. Ooh.
Yep.

Speaker 6 Knowing that it's okay to not be okay.

Speaker 7 That is cool.

Speaker 6 That's cool. Talking about mental health on Twitter.
That's cool.

Speaker 7 Not worrying about looking cool is cool.

Speaker 6 Yeah. That's true.
Ooh, buying shoogie.

Speaker 6 Tattoos are cool.

Speaker 7 Buying around for the house.

Speaker 6 Yep.

Speaker 3 It's got to be like, though, like, sleeves are cool.

Speaker 6 Yes. Sleeves are very cool.
Like, if you're going to commit, fully commit. Oh.
Being able to take shots with not an issue at all. Very cool.

Speaker 7 Yep. With no caveats of, yeah, you know, anything but tequila or like, yeah, could you make it SoCo if you're going to go whiskey? Yeah.
Just like ripping one and not batting an eye.

Speaker 6 Yeah, someone handing you a shot and not being like, ah, like, actually, maybe the coolest thing you can do at a bar is walking in, ordering a nice cold Coors Light and a shot of Jameson. Yep.

Speaker 6 Ripping the shot, drinking the beer.

Speaker 7 Shot and a beer. Yeah.

Speaker 6 How about

Speaker 6 when you're somewhere and you say, I'll have the usual?

Speaker 7 Yeah, having a usual drink. I had that one on my list.
Ordering without looking at the menu. That's cool.
Like, no, we don't. We're saying, no, we don't need that.

Speaker 7 And then telling the server what you want.

Speaker 3 Not needing a bottle opener to open a bottle.

Speaker 6 Ah, yeah. Someone's like, I don't have a bottle opener, and then someone just grabs it and fucking either, like, a lighter.

Speaker 3 The teeth is, it grosses me out, but it can be cool.

Speaker 6 Like, sometimes you're like, that's one. I can open it with anything.
Yeah. That's a wand.
Semi-cool guy, being able to tie a sick knot when you're around a boat. That's a cool thing.

Speaker 6 Like, that is being able to just whip out one. Just be like, yeah, I got this.

Speaker 7 What about magic? What about knowing magic?

Speaker 7 But not like extreme amounts of magic i'm not down with the jigs uh not extreme amounts of magic where you obviously had to like read a bunch of books or go to summer camp for it that's the only good magic but no no a magic where you like bar trick magic where you can just like pull things off on a countertop ah i don't think it's cool i mean it's in theory but it's also like because because to do magic you have to like walk up to people and be like watch me do magic it's kind of like the chugging thing you know right right but if you just do it like at your table and you're not like showing showing off in front of anybody, if you're like, if you just casually make a quarter disappear through a table and pull it out the other side, that can be kind of cool.

Speaker 6 I don't know if this is cool, but I know the opposite is very uncool.

Speaker 6 It's very uncool to not be able to shuffle cards.

Speaker 6 Yes, I was just going to say, being able to shuffle really fast, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very cool, but like, I actually judge people who can't shuffle cards.

Speaker 6 I don't know if there's anyone here in this room.

Speaker 7 I know how to shuffle.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I can't. You can't? No.
Not cool.

Speaker 7 I think bread and butter shuffle, nothing fancy.

Speaker 6 Bread and butter. Shuffle.
Just like you just. Just running the power sweep.
Yeah. Yeah, that's shuffling cars.

Speaker 7 What about tipping a dealer? That always looks cool when you're just like, hey, this is for you. And you toss them a chip.

Speaker 6 Mm-hmm. That's cool.

Speaker 6 Having like horse tips is cool. If you actually have a winning horse tip, that's a very cool thing to have.
That's kind of like a knowing a guy. Like, I got a tip about a horse.

Speaker 3 Having frosted tips.

Speaker 6 Frosted tips are cool.

Speaker 9 Knowing how to drive stick shift.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's cool. Good job, Billy.
That's actually a great one. I really wish I knew how to drive stick shift.

Speaker 7 Putting a plane in your bio on social media. Cool.
People are like, wow, that person has been on an aircraft.

Speaker 6 Going to Coachella? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Coachella in general. Yeah, Coachella and all of its adjacent vibes.

Speaker 7 Bribing someone.

Speaker 7 This kind of goes with what Hank was saying, like a doorman. If you just slip a doorman cash in a 20, that's not really a bribe.

Speaker 7 Bribing government officials.

Speaker 6 Yeah, bribe. That's also cool.
Yeah, no, tipping a lot is cool.

Speaker 7 Tipping someone who usually doesn't get tipped is cool.

Speaker 6 Yeah, like tipping, like throwing the valet a $100 bill, that's a cool move.

Speaker 7 Yeah, or like Ray Liot at the start of Goodfellow is walking through the restaurant in the back. He's just like handing out hundreds to the kitchen manager.
Yes.

Speaker 6 That's cool.

Speaker 6 Anything else?

Speaker 6 I mean, that was a good Mount Rushmore. I feel like we got a little bit of our mojo back.
I hope we haven't done that one before.

Speaker 6 I don't think there's a couple things we said that made me think we might have. I don't think we've done it.

Speaker 6 We've done power moves. Power moves definitely different.
definitely different definitely different

Speaker 6 i hope is it yeah okay jake's looking it up right now what about having a there's definitely going to be i can guarantee you that uh

Speaker 6 parallel parking is going to be hunting our moves and probably and probably fixing

Speaker 6 probably

Speaker 7 what about um like having a real sick bitching aftermarket stereo sound system in your car yep cool Spoilers.

Speaker 6 Yeah, spoilers.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Cool.
Aftermarket modifications.

Speaker 6 Putting an aquarium inside of your van. Oh, dude.

Speaker 6 Aquarium.

Speaker 3 Oh, this was 2016 before we even did the graphic.

Speaker 6 Oh, we're good. Yeah, I don't see a graphic.

Speaker 7 Is it for cool stuff?

Speaker 6 So the real ones, the cool cool move, knowing that we might have done something similar to this and not complaining about it on Twitter.

Speaker 3 Here's a throwback, PFT, if you can explain this tweet. Yep.
PMT, the Twitter said today's Mount Rushmore's power moves. What would you put on yours?

Speaker 3 And you said, threatening to suspend your employees if they don't want to hang out with you and talk about Al Jazeera.

Speaker 6 I don't.

Speaker 7 I have no idea what that means.

Speaker 6 I don't mean either.

Speaker 6 I think.

Speaker 7 I'm trying to put myself back in 2016. Get it.

Speaker 6 Get it. Peyton Manning.
Peyton Manning.

Speaker 7 Peyton Manning threatened to suspend everybody because of Al Jazeera.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 7 Another Al Jazeera report. I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 6 Oh, the steroid report? You can say it. You don't speak in codes here.

Speaker 7 Remember, Al Jazeera did a whole investigation into the NFL.

Speaker 6 Yes. And then I think

Speaker 6 Cadell.

Speaker 6 When someone puts a gun to your head and you tell them to shoot. Yeah, that is is cool.
That's fucking cool. Who said that? Or reversing a gun to your head? I'm an Atlanta fan.
Yeah, that is cool.

Speaker 6 That's fucking 2016. Yeah, go ahead and shoot, bitch.
You won't. Yeah, that's fucking cool.
Yeah, because what's the worst thing that happens?

Speaker 6 You die, and then you're dead, so you don't remember that you died. Yeah.
But if the alternative is that he doesn't shoot, and then you're cool. Well, even if he does shoot.

Speaker 7 Or he shoots, then you're brain dead. Or even if he does shoot you, then you're like, yeah, I told that person to do that.
That person followed my instructions.

Speaker 6 Yes, right. I'm the alpha.
I'm the Yeah, in your last dying breath, you're like, I got him.

Speaker 7 I'm dead, but you know what? I'm the boss.

Speaker 6 As my brains bleed out of my head, I'd be like, you'll do whatever I say. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Another, score another dub.

Speaker 6 Man, out on a win. Rare dub for the winning streak on the way out.
All right. We're going to say, Billy.

Speaker 6 All right. That was a good Mount Rushmore.
Let's get to our interviews. We have Tom Fernelli and then Ken Burns.

Speaker 13 Man, I'll tell you what. When you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts.

Speaker 13 That's where Snickers comes in, man. That thing is packed.
Roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk chocolate. It's like the MVP of candy bars.

Speaker 13 And when you bite into it, boom, it sorts you out, gets your head back in the game of life, satisfying your hunger. Remember this: Snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else.

Speaker 13 Snickers satisfies, man. That's a winning play.

Speaker 6 Here he is, Tom Fernelli.

Speaker 6 Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend. It is Tom Fernelli.
He is a writer, podcaster, talker of sports, CBS Sports. You can also find him on the Cover 3 podcast.
He's got picks all the time.

Speaker 6 He's got college football all the time. He's one of the greatest college football minds of our time.

Speaker 6 Tom. Nothing I said was untrue there.
I want to start because usually when we do like college football previews, everyone asks like, oh yeah, like Alabama and Clemson, they're going to be in again.

Speaker 6 Let's do something different. Who is going to be the worst power five team in the country this year?

Speaker 6 Oh, that's a good question, but it's Kansas. Kansas? Okay.
Wait, you didn't let me finish. And you can't say Kansas.
Oh, shit.

Speaker 6 I would go worst power five. I think it could be Duke.

Speaker 6 Shame.

Speaker 6 I just think they've been trending in the wrong direction the last years.

Speaker 6 David Cutcliffe probably like they had a couple like nine, ten win seasons there for a while where things were going really well, but they've been going the wrong direction ever since.

Speaker 6 And I just feel like the worst teams that had been the terrible teams in the ACC have all improved and Duke hasn't. So there's a real chance that they go like winless in the conference.

Speaker 7 What is it about Duke? Because I know that the Mannings used to go down there and throw all the time. What is it about Cutcliffe?

Speaker 7 Like, is he really a quarterback guru or is he the guy that orders the stuff from the black market and they go down and spend a week in his dorm room?

Speaker 7 And then next thing you know, they come back healthier than ever next

Speaker 6 And Daniel Jones. And Daniel Jones.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it could be that. I think it's just more than anything.
I think, especially a while ago,

Speaker 6 David Cutcliffe was just a very good quarterback coach.

Speaker 6 But I think these days, Cutcliffe's probably specialty is more with the kind of QBs you think of with the Mannings, where they're kind of in the pocket.

Speaker 6 You're not really looking at them as mobile guys. And I think that now that the game's changing to where it's more of a spread up tempo, you need a guy who can throw and run.

Speaker 6 I don't know if Cut, as great of a coach as he is, is as

Speaker 6 in tune to develop those guys as he used to be.

Speaker 6 Okay, so this made me think of something which I never really kind of thought about with college football, but we always are talking about the guys that are coming home, so to speak.

Speaker 6 The Scott Frost, the Jim Harbaugh, they get that extra year, they get that extra bump because, you know, they're failing, but they're the golden sun, and hopefully they'll turn it around.

Speaker 6 I just realized that there's also a class of coaches that coach non-traditional powerhouses that have a little bit of success and that could then get to hang on for an extended period of time where everyone kind of forgets about them.

Speaker 6 So Cutcliffe is in that category. David Shaw with Stanford would be in that category.

Speaker 6 Terry Patterson at TCU. Like these guys had some really good years and now I'm thinking about them like, wait, they haven't done anything in a while.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, I think that definitely happens.

Speaker 6 But I think with like a situation like Cutcliffe, no, no disrespect, but as Hank can tell you, like at Duke, I feel like if you're the football coach, you're kind of flying under the radar anyway, because I don't know how many people there are really paying attention to the football program as compared to basketball.

Speaker 6 But with Stanford, I think Shaw had a ton of great success early and things have waned off.

Speaker 6 And I do wonder if the clock isn't kind of ticking on there because it used to be like every season you would hear, oh, David Shaw is getting some NFL interest. He might be leaving for an NFL job.

Speaker 6 You don't hear that much anymore. So I don't know if that's a bad side for Shaw.

Speaker 6 And then as you mentioned with Gary Patterson, it's just, I mean, the dude took TCU from the whack to the Mountain West and then did so well that they got a spot in the Big 12 in a Power 5 program.

Speaker 6 So I think that bought him quite a bit of credit and time there.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and speaking of Kansas, Mangino might have been the ultimate example of that. He had like one good season.
Everybody's like, this guy, this guy is a genius.

Speaker 7 One of the best Italian college coaches of all time. Not a pervert.

Speaker 6 Not a pervert. No, definitely not.

Speaker 7 Where would you put yourself on the spectrum? Because it is a spectrum like the Kinsey scale. Are you more Italian than pervert?

Speaker 6 I think the best Italians all have a little pervert in them.

Speaker 6 I think that I probably on the spectrum, I'm closer to Italian than pervert. The older I get, the closer I get to Italian and the less pervert there is.

Speaker 7 That's good. I like the setup that you got right now.

Speaker 7 There's a bass in the background that you have displayed there. You look like the ultimate, you look like a late 90s bass player right now.

Speaker 7 Like you, you're the understudy for Fieldie and corn or something.

Speaker 6 Yes. That actually, if you'd have told like 19-year-old me, I'd have been like, oh my God, thank you.
Thank you. I've made it.

Speaker 6 All right, let's do something here where we have the presumptive favorite in each conference. Most conferences at this point in college football, it's, I mean, it is what it is.

Speaker 6 Like college football is, there's a few teams that are incredible and they're above everyone else. So let's go through it.
So

Speaker 6 Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, all expected to win their conferences. Give me this team that you could see winning each of those conferences out of nowhere.

Speaker 6 I think Florida and the SEC is being like pretty slept on.

Speaker 14 I know from a talent level, they're not at the Georgia, Alabama, or even the Texas A ⁇ M level, but you look at Dan Mullen and what he's always been able to do with teams, even with less talent.

Speaker 14 I think that you're looking at Mike Leach at Mississippi State right now, and I think that a lot of people kind of take for granted the success that Mullen had there and how hard and difficult that job is.

Speaker 14 And we saw Leach struggle last year. And I think Mullen, you know, they lose Kyle Trass, they lose Kyle Pitts, but he's still a very bright offensive mind, and they still do have plenty of talent.

Speaker 14 So I think that's a team that gets prized in the SEC. In the ACC, I really don't think there's another team.

Speaker 6 I'll say North Carolina, but I just don't.

Speaker 14 I don't think anybody in that conference besides Clemson loses, you know, if you were the three games.

Speaker 6 Big 10,

Speaker 6 Wisconsin. I'm not trying to get it.
No, I was setting you up for that. Yeah, no, go ahead.

Speaker 6 But it's just like nobody in the East can keep up with Ohio State for a full season because Ohio State's too good.

Speaker 6 So it's like, you just have to, if you win the West and you get to the Big Ten title game, you have a good day. Maybe you pull off the upset.

Speaker 6 And I think Wisconsin's the favorite in the West in the Big 12. I would take Texas before I took Iowa State.
Really?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I just think from a talent level, they're very good. I think that Steve Sarkeeson coming in, we saw what he was able to do with the Alabama offense.
And I think Bijan Robinson is a perfect fit.

Speaker 6 Like for what we saw Najee Harris do in that Alabama offense last year, I think Bijan's a better player than Najee Harris. So I think that could be really beneficial.

Speaker 6 I just think Iowa State really kind of overperforms its expectations, and that kind of causes us to over-inflate our own expectations for them.

Speaker 6 But they're coming off a nine-three season, and that was pretty, or a 10-win season. And we're pretty much asking them to now have the greatest season in program history.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 I don't think that's as likely as Texas. And if we're talking to Pac-12 team besides Oregon,

Speaker 6 I can't pick USC. I just have no faith in Clay Hilton.
So I'll just say Utah. Screw it.

Speaker 6 Okay, because I was going to say, you could just say whichever team plays Oregon in, like, I don't know, let's say the second week of November, that will be the team that will win the Pac-1 because they'll just, that's that's just what the Pac-12 does every year.

Speaker 6 They just eat themselves alive.

Speaker 6 The Iowa State thing, though, is kind of shocking to me because they are the darling right now of all the previews, and everyone's saying Matt Campbell, Matt Campbell, Matt Campbell, and they deserve it because they're coming off a great year.

Speaker 6 But I like this.

Speaker 6 The zag on that is that Texas could be back. Yeah, I mean, because like,

Speaker 6 okay, now I guess I'll insult you. Iowa State is Wisconsin.
It is a team.

Speaker 6 It's a team with a great coaching staff who takes some unheralded talent out of high school, develops them, coaches them extremely well, and is a team that could win nine, 10 games.

Speaker 6 They compete, but they're not really a team that you think of as a playoff contender.

Speaker 7 What you just said was like the exact opposite of Texas.

Speaker 6 Yeah. But no, you're Wisconsin.
You have to say Iowa State. Wisconsin is Iowa State on steroids.
Then you can say that. Yeah, well,

Speaker 6 yes, because Wisconsin's, hey, Wisconsin's recruiting has really kind of tried it to another level in recent years so that's not that crazy to say but yeah texas i know it's so fucking dumb like we get stuck in the texas is back narrative every year and i'm telling you the narrative is really it's been stupid and overplayed and i haven't been on it but this year i just really think now there's like you know like when you're on twitter and there's the backlash to the backlash

Speaker 6 I think the expectations for Texas this year are the backlash to the always being overrated.

Speaker 6 And I think we're just kind of writing them off a little too easily because i think that their qb that they just named the starter he is a very talented player he's a dual threat he gives steve sarkeesian more that he can use and it'll make that offense more dynamic as i said bijan robins i think is a great running back they have a good offensive line there are questions at receiver that do concern me i think somebody needs to step up there but on the defensive side of the ball they're really talented too and you can't ignore like last year all the crap that was going on off the field with like the eyes of texas stuff and just the tom herman and having to deal with all the kings of Texas and all the boosters that they have there pulling all the strings.

Speaker 6 I think that Sark comes in with a fresh start.

Speaker 6 They've got a fresh, you know, if everybody's got a fresh start, I think that they're very talented and I think that they're a very good team and I think we're going to see a good season from the Lockharts.

Speaker 6 I still think Oklahoma is the best team in the Big 12 by far. Right.
But I think this is a Texas team that could be very good.

Speaker 7 So all that said, are you still going chalk?

Speaker 7 Like if you're looking at the top four, the presumptive four that are going to be there at the end of the year and hold their serve for the entire season, are you going with that?

Speaker 6 Or are you saying that there's going to be somebody else, like one of these florida teams or or uh you know one of the ones that you had mentioned definitely not clemson it sounds like that one is pretty much in cement but uh besides that outside of those if there were to be one that would sneak in who's the most likely i am doing the least chalky chalk i can as far as my official predictions i've got my playoff being alabama ohio state clemson and oregon because i do like if you want to it's it makes you seem like you're trying something different when you're still just picking another favorite to get there but like

Speaker 6 i think oregon Oregon, since Mario Cristobal has come there, the recruiting that they've done, it's like what Urban Meyer did at Ohio State when he got to the Big Ten.

Speaker 6 It's what Dabo has been doing with Clemson and the ACC, where they're just recruiting at an entirely different level. They're bringing an SEC recruiting mindset to a conference that does not have it.

Speaker 6 And the rest of the conference, USC keeps up because USC is USC and they could just pull players based on that. But even that's kind of fading under Clay Heldon right now.

Speaker 6 And Oregon, the talent disparity between them and everybody else is so huge that I think that even if they lose to Ohio State, they could still run the table in the conference.

Speaker 6 And then if they're sitting there with one loss and they're only lost at the end of the year is Ohio State, they got a good shot of getting in.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Oregon is pulling like guys from L.A., which, you know, I mean, Chip Kelly, when he was at his peak, was doing that, but it was also like a different kind of style.

Speaker 6 Like Cristobal, I mean, the line is, he's one of the best line coaches, probably the best line coach in college football.

Speaker 6 And they might have the number one pick in the NFL draft on their defensive line in Kayvon Thibodeau. He's a tremendous player.
He is probably the best pass rusher in the country.

Speaker 6 And you know what's funny? There's another kid on that defense, Justin Flow, a linebacker. He might be better than Thibodeau in the wall.
Yeah, I like that. Most important player.
Nice. Not best.

Speaker 6 They are just that talented. And I feel like the only question is Mario Cristobal can't get in his own way.
He can be a little too conservative on offense.

Speaker 6 Like we saw Justin Herbert at Oregon like put up mediocre numbers year after year.

Speaker 6 And then he gets to the NFL and all of a sudden he's he's great because he's in an offense that says, hey, look, we got a talented QB. We should take advantage of it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so that Auburn game still hurts me, the Bo Nicks, when everyone's like, Bo Nix is good. No, he's not.

Speaker 7 No, he's not. Where do you stand on the idea that we talked about this at Kirk Herbstreet last week?

Speaker 7 One of these teams, one of the, you know, if Cincinnati runs a table, they go undefeated, are they going to get in over a team that has one loss from Power Five?

Speaker 6 No. A group of five teams, as long as the playoff stays at four teams, a group of five teams never getting in.
Period. I don't care who they play or what.

Speaker 6 We have to remember who put the playoff together. Yeah.
The Power Five. And why did they put it together? For money.

Speaker 6 They are not going to willfully share that money with a Cincinnati or a Boise State or anybody.

Speaker 7 Sounds like you just talked your way into our steak dinner. So you can come along when we're correct and Kirk is wrong.
We're just going to expand the dinner over the course of the year.

Speaker 6 I also think Kirk did that because he's got a, you know, like he, Kirk is good at his job and he knows that, you know, petting the belly of the group of five is not the worst thing to do if you're a national you know tv guy so it was smart for him i just don't i never see it happening like it just it can't happen the fact that uh ucf what did they even finish that year like eighth or something like yeah like it's crazy they're so far away from it it's not like they finished fifth so it's it's just it's never gonna happen tom We're in an alliance as members of the Big Ten.

Speaker 6 How much did that make you feel better about the world of college football? Because I have to admit, right? Like SEC takes Texas in Oklahoma.

Speaker 6 The Pac-12, ACC, and Big Ten are saying, we got to do something. Let's create an alliance that makes no sense.
No one knows what it's about, but I kind of feel better about it. I don't know.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 The best night of sleep I ever had after the formation of the alliance, which

Speaker 6 I don't know what it does.

Speaker 6 They've talked about...

Speaker 6 Yeah, they've talked about like, it's like, well, we're going to have like, we're working on a scheduling agreement for the future between the three conferences oh does that mean you're not gonna schedule the sec well no no we could keep scheduling the se so it's just gonna be the same thing that you've always been doing but now you're gonna have maybe a cool logo that you could put on a press release to announce it and that's literally all it is it's the same thing with like the big 12 yesterday announcing that hey We are thinking of expansion.

Speaker 6 We are, we've been talking about that. It's very much like, I just want to look like I'm doing something so people don't think I'm doing nothing.
Yeah,

Speaker 6 I

Speaker 6 likened it to like the first night of Real World when the guy

Speaker 6 gets really drunk and then just hooks up with whoever's closest to him. And then the next morning, he's like, I think I might be in love.
And then the next morning he's like, wait,

Speaker 6 we're on this show together for three months here. They just had to find someone to get in bed with.

Speaker 6 Like, the Big Ten ACC and Pact and Pac-12 just had to find a relationship to fill that hole instantly because it was a new environment and they were scared. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And by episode three, they're screaming at each other. and every single other roommate hates them.

Speaker 7 Yes, yeah, yeah, but you're right. It's basically like 1.50 a.m.
It's a Saturday night. The bar is closing down.
They just turn the lights on. They look across the room and they're like, alliance?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Let's do it. Let's do it.
Let's do it.

Speaker 7 I like where Tom's head's at, though, where it's like there's so many people that work in marketing for these large football organizations, and they have to have ideas that they bring to the table, which is how the Legends and Leaders division of the big got got split up a couple years ago.

Speaker 7 And somebody just had like a PowerPoint. They're like, I got a big presentation, and they're like, We should do this alliance.
They're like, I like that.

Speaker 7 I like that's very progressive forward-thinking on your part. But in reality, it's just people that want to justify their own jobs.

Speaker 6 Yeah, there was some intern there. This was their big break.
Yes. I did feel better, though, for about 30 minutes.
I was like, ooh, like, looks like we're good. We got an alliance.

Speaker 6 Everything's going to stabilize. And then I realized, like, this actually means nothing.

Speaker 6 So, how about let's do a gambling gambling trend that you're looking at this year, something that has piqued your interest that you want to hammer Hank?

Speaker 3 So, you guys know, I sorry, Tom, he asked me. You guys know I love underdogs.
This is the first season. This is obviously the COVID year.
It's the first time fans are back in the crowd.

Speaker 3 In games involving FBS schools, last week, week zero, home teams were four and one. It's probably a big reason why Illinois pulled off the upset.

Speaker 6 Illinois. Illinois.

Speaker 3 So, I'm going to be looking for home teams, underdogs.

Speaker 3 That's my trend of the week.

Speaker 6 That's great. Hank's trend of the week.
He's locked in. And what was yours, Tom? Sorry, we cut you off.
I'm just going to take overs.

Speaker 6 God damn it. Firing on every single over I could find.
That's smart.

Speaker 7 Tom, I got a take that I'm trying to get out in front of here. I want to be the first person that I hear say it, but maybe you can back me up and tell me that I'm not insanely thinking this.

Speaker 7 All right. Penn State, Wisconsin.
Wisconsin wins by double figures. James Franklin, hot seat.

Speaker 6 True or false? I think, yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, not like, not

Speaker 6 imminent kind of hot seat, but I do think that

Speaker 6 you'd start hearing murmurs because like Penn State, you know, last year was obviously a disaster for them, but it was a terrible situation for them because, you know, they had a couple of their key players, like Micah Parsons, opt out because of the COVID stuff.

Speaker 6 Then they lost a couple players to injuries just before the season began. So like they came into the year missing key players on both sides of the ball.
Obviously, it took them a long time to adjust.

Speaker 6 Although that said, you would think that with the talent level they had, they probably still should have won a few of those games.

Speaker 6 They got things together late, but this is a Penn State team that the expectation is to be competing with Ohio State.

Speaker 6 And maybe you're not beating them every single year, but to be fair, Penn State's kind of entering that same territory where Michigan is, where it's like, they really don't have a chance in hell.

Speaker 6 Like if you look at the teams compared to each other, particularly at the QB spot, they can't match up with them and they're getting run every single year.

Speaker 6 So at some point, if James Franklin, if they lose Wisconsin and it looks like they're already kind of out of it going into the second week of the year, yeah, you're going to start hearing whispers about it.

Speaker 6 And the best part is James Franklin could be on the hot seat at Penn State and then just go get the job at USC.

Speaker 6 And we talked about this on the Cover 3 podcast all last year.

Speaker 6 I think James Franklin would be magnificent at USC because the one thing at USC that you really need to take advantage of if your goal is to win national titles, if your goal is to just have a solid football team filled with great guys all graduating and doing wonderful things, fine, whatever, more power to you.

Speaker 6 But if you want to compete for national titles, you need to recruit.

Speaker 6 You need a guy who's really going to try to bring that talent in, like Pete Carroll was doing, and like you see, what all the top programs are doing. And USC has a great recruiting area to work in.

Speaker 6 There's a ton of talent in Southern California. If you look at all these top quarterbacks in the country, they're almost all coming from California, but none of them are staying in California.

Speaker 6 So I think if you got the right guy, the right kind of figurehead who can recruit and bring that talent there and then surround himself with a good coaching staff, I think usc could once again be one of the powers in the country and i think james franklin's one of the guys who's capable of doing it to be blind and on top of all that i think usc is one of the only jobs in college football where you kind of need to be a self-promoter like you kind of want you kind of have to be semi a pseudo celebrity you want to have want that a little bit and be in the mix and like hobnobbing with rich people and and going to lakers games and stuff you kind of have to have that vibe yeah and he has that he's got that juice clay hilton does not no definitely not.

Speaker 6 I love Clay Helton, though, because

Speaker 6 they forgot to fire him three years ago. And he's just like, all right, well, we're going to win nine games.
So what do you want me to do?

Speaker 6 People think, I'm rough on Clay Helton or people think I'm rough, but it's like I was saying at the beginning.

Speaker 6 It's not that I think he's a bad coach. It's just I think that USC should be competing for national titles.

Speaker 6 And I don't think Clay Helton is a national title coach because I think he's just a good football coach instead of what USC needs to get there. Clay Helton would be a great coach at,

Speaker 6 let's say, Purdue. He'd be a great coach at Purdue.

Speaker 6 Colorado. Yeah, he'd be a great coach at Colorado.
He would be a great coach. I don't know.

Speaker 6 He's a good program builder. He's a good culture builder.
It's just he's not, he doesn't have that

Speaker 6 terraced.

Speaker 6 Yeah, something like that. That's where Clay Helton should be.
All right, let's talk about this weekend slate.

Speaker 6 The big game, obviously, Clemson versus Georgia. Tell me

Speaker 6 who you're going to bet on, or if you're not going to bet on it, who you're leaning towards. And then also, is it fair to say that Kirby Smart kind of needs this one?

Speaker 6 Not hot seat, because they have Georgia rolling, but more in the Georgia has the talent to be on the upper echelon level. The coaching hasn't always met that talent in the big game.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's I don't, I don't know if he'll be on the hot seat if they lose because I do think that it being clems, as long as they don't get blown out, I think he'll be fine.

Speaker 6 But I get what you're saying. I do think Georgia is going to win this game, though.

Speaker 6 And I don't have a great feel. I'm betting Georgia plus the three.
I'm not betting them on the money line, but for me, it's just like these are similar teams. DJ Ueungalale is a very good QB.

Speaker 6 JT Daniels is a very good QB. I think that the rest of the offense, I have questions about both teams at the receiver spot.
I think both defenses are terrific with the front seven.

Speaker 6 And I think Georgia's secondary is slightly better than Clemson's secondary, at least from a talent and athleticism angle.

Speaker 6 The difference to me is I think Georgia's offensive line is much better equipped to deal with Clemson's defensive front than Clemson's offensive line is with Georgia.

Speaker 6 So I think that over 60 minutes, that's probably going to push things towards the Georgia side. I do think it's going to be a close, kind of interesting game, though.

Speaker 6 And I think that's really all any of us want. As long as it's not a blowout, I'll be fine.
But I'm leaning Georgia before anything.

Speaker 6 By the way, before Georgia fans get mad at me, I'm not saying Kirby Smart would be on the hot seat off of a loss here. There's varying degrees to what happens to a coach.

Speaker 6 I think he would be tagged with can't win the big one if he lost this one badly.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, it's definitely been a problem. And it's not even just that they've lost the games.

Speaker 6 It's that there have been, like, when you think of like the overtime loss to Alabama and other losses that they've had, there have been moments and decisions made by Kirby Smart, which led seemingly directly to the outcome of games changing.

Speaker 6 And I think that's where it's really kind of that narrative is being going.

Speaker 7 So the other big variable is, are they going to be wearing the black uniforms?

Speaker 6 I hope not. I hate those things.
I hate them, too.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but

Speaker 7 I can't not bet on them when they're wearing the black uniforms. It just happens.
It's just, I kind of like lose. I black out when they're wearing the blackout uniforms.

Speaker 6 It's like the sharks from any given Sunday. So you kind of, yeah, you start hearing that Al Pacino speech, and you're like, I got to bet on that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, just, it gets me amped up. I want to talk real quick about stuff going on in the Big Ten right now.
And we can get to Chiano in a little bit.

Speaker 7 But Maryland, do you have, first of all, is Maryland going to finish behind Rutgers this year?

Speaker 6 I don't think so. They could.
If they do, I won't be shocked.

Speaker 6 I just, Maryland is a really difficult team to read because it's been the same case for the last, most of the last decade, honestly, where it's like I look at that roster and I see the way that they're recruited.

Speaker 6 I'm like, man, there's a lot of talent on there, but they never really play to their talent level. And they're always kind of, they're always very inconsistent from week to week.

Speaker 6 I think Talia Tagovaloa is talented, but I also think he's wildly inconsistent and sometimes makes some really strange decisions that could really cost you games.

Speaker 6 But compared to Rutgers, it's just, I think Chiano is doing a very good job of bringing that program up to at least standard for being a bad Big Ten team and not just a terrible team overall.

Speaker 7 It's high praise.

Speaker 6 I mean, the program Chiano took over was in very bad shape. I think he's already improved it considerably.

Speaker 6 And the way they're recruiting, I think in the next few years, they're going to be pretty damn decent. But I think right now, Maryland's probably better.

Speaker 6 You're right on Rutgers. It's like, there's definitely a big difference.
They might not win a lot of games, but there's a big difference with what Chiano is doing. They're like, they're not going to.

Speaker 6 There was a stretch there where when Rutgers played Wisconsin, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan,

Speaker 6 it was guaranteed 50-7, no matter what. It was just every single time that was going to be the score.

Speaker 6 I actually have Rutgers circled as the game to break my heart this year because I looked at the schedule for the Badgers, and that would be off of beating Iowa, basically solidifying the Big Ten West, and then going to Piscataway at like noon the next week and somehow watching an entire game and being like, they're not going to lose this game.

Speaker 6 They're not going to lose this game. No way they lose this game.
And then they lose that game. That would be a very Shiano thing to do.
And a very Wisconsin thing to do as well. Yes.

Speaker 6 How are we feeling about Burt, my man Burt, who I actually, I don't hate him anymore.

Speaker 6 I hated him for a while, but he's just funny and he has Illinois playing like that drive that he had against Nebraska in the second half. I think it started the third quarter.
That was Bila Mabal.

Speaker 6 And when Biela Mabal, like there's something about Biela Mabal that I just, even though we've been through it with him, like I kind of just still love him because he just bullies you and grinds you up.

Speaker 6 And it's fun to watch when it's humming.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the honeymoon has not ended yet because, I mean, since he took over the job from Lovey, like one of the reasons Lovey Smith was let go, besides the not winning games part, was that the recruiting, especially in the state of Illinois, had completely dropped off.

Speaker 6 There was none for the most part. And like high school coaches were very open in telling you, it's like, dude, they don't even show up here, let alone, you know, offer our kids.

Speaker 6 So the first thing he does, he comes in, he does the BERT thing where he completely establishes himself with the high school. We've already seen a huge uptick in recruiting the home state kids.

Speaker 6 I think that as far as the actual roster,

Speaker 6 he inherited an experienced roster and there was talent on it. So I think that he was lucky to step into the right situation.

Speaker 6 But I think that they've changed to an offense, like you said, the Biellama ball, which is better suited for the Big Ten.

Speaker 6 I think that part of the problem at Nebraska, like with Scott Frost, like that kind of spread offense, we've seen numerous teams try it in the Big Ten.

Speaker 6 Illinois was just doing it in the Lovey Smith era. Scott Frost is doing it in Nebraska now.
Jeff Bromsman trying to do it at Purdue. Rich Rodd tried to do it at Michigan all those years ago.

Speaker 6 It very seldom works unless you're Purdue with Drew Brees. Yeah.
And there aren't a lot of Drew Breeses around. And I think that there's a specific style, particularly in the West, that works.

Speaker 6 And Illinois has adopted to that quickly on the offensive side of the ball, which I think is good.

Speaker 6 And on the defense, they're not just playing cover three all the time, like with Lovey trying to force turnovers once you get to the red zone.

Speaker 6 They played a ton of man last week. They mix it up.
They've switched to more of a 3-4.

Speaker 6 Attention to Scott Frost if you're listening. They play both odd and even man fronts.

Speaker 6 And it's just been really good. And it's kind of like the Rutgers situation where

Speaker 6 watching that game on Saturday against Nebraska was the first time in a very long time I watched a line-eye football game and felt that our coach was out coaching the other team. Yeah.
And good luck.

Speaker 6 And I hope that,

Speaker 6 you know, you know where this is leading, right? Like,

Speaker 6 Brett Bielma has a tattoo of a Hawkeye on his ankle.

Speaker 6 Okay. All right.
So I just, that's okay. Because you guys are going to go to a couple bowl games, and then it's going to be, he's going to Iowa.

Speaker 6 I don't think that. I don't.
He might. I can't rule it out.
He is. He is.
Come on. I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 I mean, he's already kind of being a pain in Iowa's ass right now with some of the instincts.

Speaker 7 Are you saying that if he goes on a nice little run here at Illinois, that he's going to be like head coach for life? You think Beelon is going to settle down at Illinois?

Speaker 6 I don't know. I mean, he could definitely leave for I would.
That's the thing, like, because that's the alma mater. But I feel like the pay at Power Five jobs now, it's like, unless

Speaker 6 unless you're Ohio State, Alabama, or one of those programs, like the rest of the Power Five are all pretty much the same deal. Yeah.
Yeah. Or a Texas AM.

Speaker 6 That was actually a slap in Jimbo's face. They didn't go the full 10 years, 10 million a year.
They went 10 years, 94 million. like

Speaker 6 where was jimbo going

Speaker 6 it's so true it's so i mean i understand i understand like the urge to when coming off a great season you want to maybe you want to reward your coach for having a great season and jimmy sexton this was part of the problem at florida state every time jimbo had a good year jimmy sexton his agent would come to florida state seeking a raise and eventually florida state just got to the point where it's like nah man come on like how much do you want us to pay him But he's at Texas AM.

Speaker 6 He's got a huge deal. I think it's still got six years left on it.

Speaker 6 There are very few teams that could take him away from college station that would make sense or even offer him the money where the job is open maybe usc but i don't know if jimbo fisher is really a fit for usc

Speaker 6 like

Speaker 6 so why are you giving him an extra whatever year like i look at look at what just is happening at nebraska you give scott frost an extension that he didn't really deserve and there was no need to give him because nobody's coming you see it time and time again at all these programs coaches keep getting extended they keep getting raises when there's no other jobs on the table and then a year later, they have a bad season and you want to fire them and you can't because the buyout is ridiculous.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 shout out to Jimbo. I'm happy you got it.
Texas A ⁇ M, you don't have to give it to him every time Jimmy Sexton asks.

Speaker 7 But it is kind of nice as an athletic director to just, you know, not have to worry about a coach for a while.

Speaker 7 It's like, yeah, I may have messed up paying him this much money, but at least I don't have to get back out on the market in a couple of years.

Speaker 6 And to be fair, most ADs, if you give Jimbo Fisher a 10-year deal, are you even going to be there at the end of that 10 years? Probably not.

Speaker 7 Right, probably not. Yeah, so you're, yeah, as the Twitter thread said, like, you don't really want to be out here.
They're pegging out here right now.

Speaker 7 It's not as great as you think it is when you're in the market.

Speaker 7 What about, can you talk me down from Indiana?

Speaker 7 Because I've kind of fallen in love with Indiana just based on the fact that they won games that were on primetime last year, and I saw them on my television, and their quarterback's name is Peenix.

Speaker 7 I know it's Peenix, but

Speaker 7 there are a lot of intangibles that work their way into the mindset of an idiot like myself, where now I'm thinking like Indiana could actually do some damage should we take them seriously.

Speaker 6 Tag me in if you need my help, Tom, because I've gone to war with Indiana football fans. Well, plus, Indiana has receivers named Wap Fill Yor and Ty Freifogle.

Speaker 6 How could you not fall in love with that team? But no, they're not going to be nearly as good as they were last year. I think that.

Speaker 6 I think Tom Allen has done a fantastic job of improving that team to a level that we're not accustomed to seeing from Indiana football.

Speaker 6 And I think that they are, I think they're taking advantage of Michigan State being in somewhat of a downturn.

Speaker 6 And they've entered that point where they're the fourth team, clearly, and maybe even the third best team in that division. But

Speaker 6 I think that there's some numbers from last year's team. And I've been getting killed by Indiana fans since last year because of it.

Speaker 6 They were very lucky when it came to turnovers, or at least points off of turnovers. Like they forced them and they turned them into points, which is awesome.

Speaker 6 It's just, it's not a reliable thing to count on game in and game out and year in and year out. So there's likely to be some aggression.
So I think Indiana is still a good team.

Speaker 6 I think they're going to get to a bowl game easily. They'll probably win eight games, but anything more than that, I think you're kind of deluding yourself.
Indiana had a great year last year.

Speaker 6 Tom Allen is a very good coach. They're going in the right direction.
But if you actually look at their season last year, they beat Penn State on a play that, okay, whatever.

Speaker 6 And some really dumb decisions by Penn State's fault, too. Yeah.
They beat Rutgers, who's terrible. They beat Michigan, who was terrible.
They beat Michigan State, who was terrible.

Speaker 6 Like, everyone had a down year when they caught Indiana. And then they lost final score seven to Ohio State.
But that game was not a seven-point game.

Speaker 6 It was Ohio State could have just done whatever they wanted. They got bored.
They beat Wisconsin. Yes, I will throw that out there.
It was 14-6 in a Wisconsin team that was

Speaker 6 horrendous. Like offensively, horrendous down the stretch.
Like one of the worst offensive Wisconsin teams I've seen in a long time. So everything broke right.
They had a great year.

Speaker 6 I'm not taking anything away. I'm just going to, I'm just taking a nice cold shower on Indiana football, winning 10 games and competing for the East.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, it's you're dead on it. Again, I think they're a good team, but they're not the team you saw last year and to expect that going forward.

Speaker 6 But it's still like if Indiana goes eight and four, and you're an Indiana fan. That's how I am.
Yes, yes. That's the thing is I've never gotten to.

Speaker 6 I think when I got my big argument, it was like, it was actually nice because it was a random, I think, day in the spring. It was like, oh, we're talking college football.

Speaker 6 But it was essentially like Indiana fans being like, we've arrived. Like, like Wisconsin's days have passed.
I'm like, you have to do it for more than one COVID year.

Speaker 6 To their defense, like, they've had some rough times with the basketball program lately, so they're just clinging to anything they can get their hands on. It's true.
All right.

Speaker 6 Let's leave with this, Tom. Give us, so every week, Tom has his

Speaker 6 pick six on CBS Sports. He does picks.
He's great, sharp, handicapper. Can you give us one that you love? My lock of the week this week is actually Illinois minus four and a half at home against UTSA.

Speaker 6 That is a straight-up, disrespectful line. Love it.
I think UTSA is one-dimensional on offense.

Speaker 6 They have a great running back and sincere McCormick, but the Aligne defense completely shut down Nebraska's run game last week.

Speaker 6 And if they could do that to Nebraska's offensive line, I don't have too many concerns with them doing it to UTSA's offensive line.

Speaker 6 And if they make UTSA beat them through the air, I just don't think UTSA could do it.

Speaker 6 So to get that at under a touchdown, it's like, I don't think Illinois is some juggernaut now because it beat Nebraska, but they are definitely a touchdown better than UTSA.

Speaker 6 And Dan, I mean, you can remember Brett Bielama teams at Wisconsin in the non-con playing against Super Five teams. They don't show any mercy, they just push them.

Speaker 6 Those were the best days because it was when you were super drunk in a September Madison day when it was still hot out.

Speaker 6 You know, just put up like 50 on a team and call it a day. Game's over by 2:30, you're good to go.

Speaker 6 Yeah, um, all right, Tom, you're the best. Thank you.
Thank you, thanks for having having me on. Yeah.
Thank you, Tom. Best of luck.
Good to see you. Gambling this season.
And

Speaker 6 Justin Fields' prediction. Go quick.

Speaker 6 Week three. Okay.
Oh, but dude, Miles Garrett is going to fucking kill him.

Speaker 6 Yes, there's a lot of big guys in the NFL, Dan.

Speaker 7 How's Aston Villa doing? Are they better than Arsenal?

Speaker 6 Everybody's better than Arsenal. I haven't looked at the table recently.
I don't know. Arsenal's bottom of the table.
The three of us are better than Arsenal. Yes, yes.

Speaker 6 That hurts. All right.
Thanks, Tom.

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Speaker 7 And now, here's Ken Burns. And now for something completely different.

Speaker 6 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.

Speaker 6 You know him. He's probably the most famous documentarian out there.
He's an Emmy Award winner. He's got a new

Speaker 6 documentary about Muhammad Ali coming out September 19th on PBS. It is Ken Burns.

Speaker 6 I want to actually start there because I was actually, we're going to talk about Muhammad Ali in this documentary, but I was just finishing something up and someone asked me, oh, who you're going to go interview?

Speaker 6 And I said, Ken Burns. And they said, wow.
Are you the most famous documentarian out there?

Speaker 6 Are you like you have actual when you say the word the name Ken Burns, people are like, oh man, that's incredible.

Speaker 9 Well, you know, I live in Itaya. It's very nice of you guys.
I'm happy to be with you. I live in this tiny little town in New Hampshire.
I've lived here for 42 years.

Speaker 9 So I think I'm the most famous documentary filmmaker in this town, but

Speaker 9 I'm more interested in the content of the films rather than in the degree of bold face my name might have. And here, nobody gives a shit.

Speaker 9 You know, whether I shovel the lawn of my neighbor if they're not doing well in a snowstorm gets me more props than, you know, Emmy nominations

Speaker 9 or whatever it is. And that's a good way to be.
And by the way, this film is co-directed by my daughter,

Speaker 9 Sarah Burns, and her husband, David McMahon. We worked together on the Central Park V and Jackie Robinson and now been together in this.
So if I say we, it's not a pretentious royal we.

Speaker 9 It actually has to do with the two others that made the film. And Sarah and Dave wrote the script, so maybe it's even more theirs than mine.

Speaker 6 So how does that, can you explain that process to us?

Speaker 6 You know, documentaries, especially sports documentaries, have become kind of, you know, the 30 for 30 boom the last 10 years.

Speaker 6 How does a process work when you say, okay, here's a subject, you just mentioned a script. Like, can you just even explain the beginning stages of it for people who might not understand?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think we do it a little bit differently than others in our colleagues.

Speaker 9 I've been doing it for almost 50 years, and it doesn't really matter what the subject is, whether it's sports or it's war or it's presidents or it's artists or writers, whatever it might be.

Speaker 9 So the biggest thing is that most people have a set research followed by set writing that produces a script that informs the shooting and editing, boom, done.

Speaker 9 We never stop researching and we never stop writing. So we're corrugible to the end.
And so we're drawn to subjects and we're drawn to complicated subjects.

Speaker 9 We're not, we don't want to regurgitate what the conventional wisdom is or the baggage.

Speaker 9 What we want to do is share with you the process of discovery and with somebody like Muhammad Ali, for whom there's been lots of films and lots of really good films made about specific fights, about a couple of years in his life, about a fight with the U.S.

Speaker 9 We wanted to do something comprehensive. From his birth and boyhood in Jim Crow segregated Louisville, Kentucky, to his death by Parkinson's not that long ago, 2016.

Speaker 9 And honor the fights, but also honor his struggle with the government about the war in Vietnam.

Speaker 9 Honor his faith and his adhering to what was for many people, black as well as white, a reprehensible group called the Nation of Islam that was separatist, where the civil rights movement that was gaining a lot of traction was about integration.

Speaker 9 So there's lots of undertow and complication to the story of Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 9 And of course, when he refuses draft because of a faith-based decision, it's treated because he's a black man in America as a political thing and a big middle finger to America.

Speaker 9 So he's sort of the third strike. First strike is he's gregarious and he's braggadocio.
Second strike is he joins the Nation of Islam.

Speaker 9 Third strike, he refuses the draft and he's convicted, going to go to prison and loses three and a half years at the prime of his career. That alone is a great story and has been the subject.

Speaker 9 But we wanted to know who his mama was, who his dad was, you know, what it was like to see Emmett Till's open, mutilated, open casket, you know, body in that casket, which was about the same age, what it's like to grow up in segregated America, and then all these other things, family dynamics, his evolving political and spiritual beliefs, you know, his friendship with Malcolm X, the loss of that friendship, how he treated Joe Frazier.

Speaker 9 and what happens inside those fights.

Speaker 9 So our secret weapon in the film is Michael this former heavyweight champion, who helps those of us who aren't boxing fans understand not just the strategy and tactics, but the psychology and this almost round-around, blow-to-blow sense of what's happening, what's transpiring, who's got the bigger heart, who's got the bigger will, who wants it more.

Speaker 9 And I think it helps ease us into the 20, 25 fights that we sort of isolate from his extraordinary career and point out, not just the victories, but the

Speaker 9 important uh losses like to joe frasier and to spinks and to norton yeah muhammad ali is obviously a

Speaker 7 great american to tell this story about like he's there's so much rich stuff in his life that you can dig into i'm curious to know because going back through through the list of films that you've made and there are a lot of great ones in there has there ever been a subject that you felt really passionate about and then you start making it and you're like you know what maybe this is just something i like a lot and maybe there's not enough to tell, you know, a full story about it in the way that I usually like to tell these stories.

Speaker 9 Man, I've been so lucky I'm knocking on wood because you know, I've been doing this for almost 50 years, and that hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 9 I mean, what I find people often say to me, man, you worked on Vietnam for 10 and a half years, didn't you get bored? And in point of fact, or this one for seven years, didn't you get bored?

Speaker 9 It's bittersweet.

Speaker 9 I love this part, this evangelical part, where I'm going out and saying, you got to watch this film because it's a way to mitigate a sorrow at leaving a project that you want to keep working on.

Speaker 9 You'd think that making a film is additive, it's like building a house, but it's subtractive. So, this film is eight hours.
We have 50 times eight hours of material.

Speaker 9 We have 400 hours of stuff, and all of it is important in somebody's world.

Speaker 9 And it's how you sort of, I guess, since he was born in Kentucky, how you distill the essence of that 400 hours down to 15 hours to make it, and we'll still be criticized. Oh, you left this out.

Speaker 9 And I love that because man, if you make a 18 and a half hour film on baseball or an 18-hour film on Vietnam and people are complaining what you left out, you go,

Speaker 9 nobody's saying it's boring as hell.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so is there the Burns cut? Do you have like a special cut that you're going to drop in?

Speaker 6 You know what?

Speaker 9 The reason why I can spend 10 and a half years is I've spent my entire professional life working with PBS. So that's P is in public and S, not in system, but in service.

Speaker 9 And so they, if I raise the money, they allow me to take the time necessary to do it right. I could go to a streaming service.

Speaker 9 I could go to a premium cable and say, with my track record, hey, I need $30 million to do X. And they'd give it to me, but they wouldn't give me 10 and a half years to do it.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 9 So every time you see a film, you're looking at a director's cut. In this case, Sarah Burns, David McMahon, and me, this is our director's cut.

Speaker 9 This is how we thought it should be. And so our first episode goes well over two hours.
Normally in broadcast television, you know, they cut your head off.

Speaker 9 And then some of them are a little bit short of the two-hour time period.

Speaker 9 But we get to say, look, this is what, between these goalposts of episode one and the end of episode one, this is what the ground we had to cover. And you tell me where you can cut something.

Speaker 9 And nobody's been ever, ever able to tell us where we could cut stuff. And then conversely, I'm not going to fill it out just to make your perfect timing.
And that's why PBS has been so great to us.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So when you started researching this and you started going through the different clips and talking to people, Muhammad Ali is such a fascinating character for a million different reasons.

Speaker 6 But from the sports angle and the shit-talking angle, I've always been like, he might not have invented shit-talking, but he's perfected it.

Speaker 6 And now, yeah, and and now today's age, you see it a lot more, but it was something totally different then. Was there, like, watching all these clips, were you even taken aback?

Speaker 6 Like, he was even better than I remembered or better than I was.

Speaker 9 Look, I'm old enough that I remember the Rome Olympics and him coming home with gold, and he was this promising guy.

Speaker 9 I remember all the bracketocios, so that by the time you get to the listen fight in 64, there are lots of people saying, just shut him up.

Speaker 9 Listen, it's going to shut him up and put this guy, because he wasn't behaving the way an athlete should, meaning modest, modest well you know i'm open to do this and he's also a black athlete not behaving the way people think a black athlete to be but but we loved him he was so unbelievably charismatic what's more important is that we've got all of that and lots of it but there's spaces in between when this teenager or this early 20 something is speaking softly with wisdom and unbelievable poise.

Speaker 9 Like, it doesn't matter that he's a boxer. His daughter, Rashida, told us in the film at the end, you know, boxing was this much, pinching her fingers together.
And you realize that's right.

Speaker 9 He could have taken something else. He knew he had a destiny.

Speaker 9 And every once in a while, when he loses to Frazier, when the Supreme Court vindicates him, or some other moment when he's talking about perhaps stopping boxing because the Nation of Islam isn't cool about the frivolousness of sports, he's saying, I know I'm here for a purpose.

Speaker 9 I know I'm supposed to do something. So while I'm wowed by what a genius, he's the best promoter ever, better than any promoter that ever tried to promote him.
And in fact, when

Speaker 9 he testifies in 63 up in Albany about, you know, corruption

Speaker 9 in boxing, and he's going to go fight in New York City at Madison Square Garden, which hasn't sold out, he's promised to sell it out. And then all the newspapers go on strike.

Speaker 9 And so they're saying, look, you're dead in the water, buddy. Guess what? They sold it out for the first time in years because he went door to door.
He went to the radio stations.

Speaker 9 He talked to the guys. He went to various places.
He walked the streets. He said, Come, hey, watch me fight, you know? And they did.

Speaker 9 He did that in Louisville. He went door to door.

Speaker 9 And he understood by watching Gorgeous George, this wrestler who was hated, he understood that, you know, it doesn't matter what the crowd thinks about you, right?

Speaker 9 He says, boo, hiss, throw peanuts, but whatever you do, pay to get in.

Speaker 9 He got that part of it that it's just show. And if you're going to be the guy they boo, then you're going to be the guy they boo.

Speaker 9 He just happened to be the most spectacular athlete of the 20th century.

Speaker 6 I love it because it's such a fascinating part of the fight game in particular because it's very unique to fighting.

Speaker 6 But like, you know, you even see now with like a Connor McGregor who may be past his prime, but people are still buying because he's able to promote it.

Speaker 6 And it's very few and far between that you have a boxer or a fighter with both talent and exceptional promotion skills and he was the whole package.

Speaker 9 And then also being something else so the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Muhammad Ali is intersecting with all the major themes of the last half of the 20th century.

Speaker 9 The role of sports, the role of black athletes, race,

Speaker 9 faith, religion, politics, war. And now when we have dug into his personal life and his family life and his four wives and all of that, the questions that are about us with the Me Too movement.

Speaker 9 So he's as relevant today as at any time. And so, you know, I made another film back in 2005 on Jack Johnson, the first African-American heavyweight champion.

Speaker 9 It was a film called Unforgivable Blackness, because that's, you know, when they couldn't beat him in the ring, they just figured out a way to get him out of the boxing ring and trumped up charges against him.

Speaker 9 And W.E. B.
Du Bois, a great scholar, said it all comes down to his unforgivable blackness.

Speaker 9 And, you know, I'm not a boxing fan per se, but I really pay attention when it's a Jack Johnson who cared only about himself, or more importantly, a Muhammad Ali who doesn't only just care about himself, he cares about his people, and that extends to the world.

Speaker 9 So when this guy dies, he dies the most beloved person on the planet. And remember how divisive he is in the 60s, how what a lightning rod he is for controversy.
I'm interested in that transformation.

Speaker 9 I think it's as fascinating.

Speaker 9 And the problem is, because we live in an information age, is that we're all drowning in information So basically we carry our Ali baggage from moment to moment We forget him for a while We remember him, but we just remember that and what Sarah and Dave and I I think wanted to do is replace the superficial and the conventional with a much more complex and dimensional

Speaker 9 portrait of who this guy was good bad and otherwise and we hold his feet to the fire for his failings we're not unafraid of it but let me tell you man this guy is a he's about love I mean it's a four-letter word the FCC lets us use, but you know,

Speaker 9 nobody wants to talk about it, it's too embarrassing. And, you know, there's a great shot early on, I'm sure you guys have seen it, which is in the Fifth Street gym in Miami.

Speaker 9 He's training for Liston, and the Beatles have invaded.

Speaker 9 And there's a picture of him, fake shot, you know, punching John, and it looks like Paul and George and Ringo are going to topple over like dominoes. But then I got to thinking,

Speaker 9 these five men understood

Speaker 9 how the universe really runs, and they'd spend the rest of their lives, three of them are now gone, Ali and Harrison and Lennon, but two are alive and best embodied for all five of them, including Ali, by words that

Speaker 9 McCartney wrote, which is, you know, and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make. And by the end, this divisive person is the most loved person on the planet.

Speaker 9 I want to know how you get from point A to point B and even how you get up to point A from the childhood and how we are now and how much he speaks.

Speaker 9 There's a wonderful shot at the end of the film of some protest. We deliberately don't really show you what that protest is on the Brooklyn Bridge.

Speaker 9 And there's a young black woman and she's wearing a simple black t-shirt with white letters and all it says is Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 9 That's all she needed in this day and age to make a statement about courage, to make a statement about

Speaker 9 passion, to make a statement about freedom. Because remember, we talk about athletes speaking their mind and some idiots say shut up and dribble.
That's ridiculous. We live in a free country.

Speaker 9 Anybody can say something. But he risked everything.

Speaker 9 He lost three and a half years at his prime for sticking up for his beliefs. And he could have gone into the army.

Speaker 9 They wouldn't put him in combat. He'd do USO shows.
He'd box and

Speaker 9 mug with people. He knew that, and he wasn't going to do it.
He said, I'd rather face machine gun fire than to do that.

Speaker 9 So all of a sudden, when people begin to look back and say, maybe the Vietnam War wasn't a good thing, he had them.

Speaker 6 They were,

Speaker 9 this was the transformation that America needed and this idea of courage is there.

Speaker 9 Now we have other athletes who take a stand and you could think that Carlos and Smith in the 68 Olympics risked something.

Speaker 9 Kurt Flood, a black man, tried to get the reserve clause, the plantation reserve clause out of baseball. He had to go.

Speaker 9 It would take two white guys, Messer Schmidt and McNally with Marvin Miller, to make that happen. And Colin Kaepernick has paid dearly.
But But these guys that are speaking out today,

Speaker 9 they're great. I'm proud of them for speaking out, but they're not risking their Nike contract.
They're not risking their football or their basketball contract or whatever.

Speaker 9 They're just doing what they believe. They have, though, as the avatar of their example, this man who was born Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr.

Speaker 9 in Louisville, Kentucky, and who ended his life, Muhammad Ali, the most famous and the most loved person on the planet.

Speaker 9 I'd want to know how that happened.

Speaker 7 Yeah. So it's interesting you brought up how we look back at Muhammad Ali as being an icon.

Speaker 7 We look at him as being a role model in all these things that you talked about when at the time he was so divisive. And the

Speaker 7 comparable person I think about when I hear an explanation like that,

Speaker 7 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., at the time when he was speaking, when he was traveling around the country,

Speaker 7 he was hated.

Speaker 7 People didn't like him. The FBI told him he should kill himself.

Speaker 7 I mean, like, this was a guy that, you know, stirred up a lot of emotions and a lot of them really, really bad from people who are resistant to change.

Speaker 7 But you look forward, you know, 50 years and he's looked upon as one of the greatest Americans of all time.

Speaker 7 Exactly.

Speaker 6 What do you think happened?

Speaker 7 Not necessarily with Dr. King, but with Muhammad Ali because you've been researching him.
What happened over the course of those years?

Speaker 7 Is it that we look back at Vietnam and we're like, maybe he was right about this after all? Or is there something else that kind of...

Speaker 9 I think there are a lot of things that contribute. I think Vietnam is one of them.
you know.

Speaker 9 I think it's also when he came back, he wins his first two fights, then he fights Joe Frazier in the fight of the century in 71, and he gets beaten.

Speaker 9 And in the last round, when he realizes he's losing on points and he has to go for a knockout, he gets knocked down, but he gets right back up.

Speaker 9 And afterwards, though he's been ragging on Frazier, he's calm and he's talking to the world and he said, you know, we're all going to face losses and defeat.

Speaker 9 And we're all going to, you know, lose a job or lose a loved one or lose a title. And we have to show that we can take this.
This is part of life. It's an amazingly poised comment.

Speaker 9 And Robert Lipsight, who's a young, who was then a young reporter who'd been following him for years, said, you know, in a way, Fraser won the fight, but Ali won America.

Speaker 9 And that's when kids who may have been repulsed by the stand in Vietnam now are beginning to understand.

Speaker 9 And when he comes back and wins the championship for the second time against, you know, against George Foreman in the Rumble of the Jungle in one of the greatest, most artistically beautiful fights when everyone thought they were worried about whether he'd survive it, whether he'd even live

Speaker 9 to do it. So I think there's all of that, the hero's return, and then I think he's they're beginning to realize that he was honest and he was direct, and that was refreshing.

Speaker 9 He wasn't doing the nuke la nouche, you know, oh, I'm just trying to play within myself, and Crash Davis has to say, you idiot, that makes no sense, right? So

Speaker 9 he was always honest and he was always direct, direct, and that divisiveness is not necessarily on his account, it's our problem.

Speaker 9 So, there's a moment when David Remnick, the editor of The New Yorker, and a great writer about Ali says, you know, maybe it proves that we can change.

Speaker 9 And I think the reason why we have a holiday for Dr.

Speaker 9 King and the reason why we can look back, I mean, people were sending a decapitated black dog's head to Ali before he fought Jerry Quarry in Atlanta to begin his comeback.

Speaker 9 You know,

Speaker 9 you know, people don't like my films sometimes, but nobody does that. And he said, this is what we do to black dogs in Georgia, right?

Speaker 9 And, you know, this is in the 1970s. This is a big deal.

Speaker 9 And so I think that we've learned to understand that life isn't just, even in this binary world, it isn't just on and off, good and bad, black and white, gay or straight, male or female, rich or poor, north or south, east or west.

Speaker 9 It's much more complicated than that. And there's something really compelling and interesting about representing that complication.
The persons closest to you guys are complicated.

Speaker 9 They're not perfect, and neither are you, and neither am I.

Speaker 9 And you know, you can either go with the perfect and therefore nobody's a hero, or you can understand that heroes have always been about negotiating between their strengths and their weaknesses.

Speaker 9 Remember, Achilles had his heel and his hubris to go along with his great great strengths.

Speaker 9 We're all like that. We're just smaller versions of these big, epic, mythic Greek heroes.

Speaker 6 So a question along that line.

Speaker 6 We got the screener.

Speaker 6 I watched the first one. I got the other three to go.
So I'm sure you get into it. But I've always been fascinated about the end of Ali's boxing career.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 boxing is one of those sports that for some reason guys hang on for a little bit too long and it's always very sad. What was the motivation at the end?

Speaker 6 Because he is the greatest of all time and then you have these memories of him and you have these fights of him at the end where he's a shell of himself.

Speaker 6 What was the motivation behind sticking around and never being able to like fully give it up until it basically was well past the date?

Speaker 9 Well past. I mean it's true in all sports.
We see people, you know, we think of Babe Ruth as a Yankee, but he doesn't end his career as a Yankee. Think of Willie Mays as a giant.

Speaker 9 He doesn't end his career as a giant. And so there are people who are hanging on.
With Muhammad Ali, it's such a fairy tale thing. He's won the championship three times, right?

Speaker 9 And so he keeps thinking that he can pull some rabbit out of the hat. And it's way, way past his prime, and everybody's begging him.
His corner is abandoning him.

Speaker 9 His kids are saying, Daddy, don't fight anymore. And yet I think he's a generous person.
He's given away most of his money. People who are managing him have mismanaged it.

Speaker 9 So there's the payday aspect of it. There's the wanting to be in the limelight.
He loves other people. He loves the adulation.
He loves to give back to it.

Speaker 9 He's always the last person signing autographs. Do you know what I mean? He had that kind of just basic thing and it's really hard to turn it off.

Speaker 9 Be interesting, say, with Tom Brady to see whether, you know, if he has a bad year, he's going to hang it up or whether he's going to say, oh, no, no, no, I can get better.

Speaker 9 I promise. But it's nothing compares to Ali.
It's excruciating as you watch those last couple fights. You just want to close your eyes and say, please don't do this.
Please don't do do this.

Speaker 9 And you're already seeing signs of the Parkinson's that's going to encase him and render him speechless.

Speaker 9 And that figure shaking at the Olympics in Atlanta 25 years ago this summer, you know, surprising the entire world.

Speaker 9 And it's really, you know, to answer your question too, it's that moment that finally does it, you know, where a lot of the hatred, I'm sure there's some people still out there with that unreconstructed view of him, but you know, when he came up there with the bravery of showing the world just the sheer depth of his affliction and everybody loving him back, you know,

Speaker 9 that's really when the full rehabilitation takes place. And then remember, he lives another two decades.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 9 He's doing work. He can barely speak.
So Michael J. Fox, who has at Parkinson, said, I couldn't be still until I couldn't be still, which is a beautiful, beautiful phrase of great enlightenment.

Speaker 9 And I think in some ways you could apply that to Ali, This voluble, loudmouthed, wonderful, articulate, funny person. He really couldn't speak until he couldn't speak.
And then he spoke volumes.

Speaker 9 And when, you know, he, you know, he'd hold a news conference when he was active, and the sports world would stop. He went to Pakistan or Malaysia or Saudi Arabia, the whole country stopped.

Speaker 9 He was beloved in Africa,

Speaker 9 in the Middle East, in Asia, all over the world.

Speaker 9 He was admired as someone who was speaking speaking for everybody who's felt the boot of a man, you know, and that's that took a lot of guts and courage because you know, at some point in his life, he's being a little bit cautious when he's being treated badly because he doesn't want to upset the Louisville sponsoring group, the white businessmen who are protecting his career.

Speaker 9 He wants to look good, and then somewhere along the line, he just sheds that and just becomes who he's supposed to be.

Speaker 9 It's a caterpillar turning into a butterfly, which if you float like one and sting like a bee,

Speaker 9 you're Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah. So the Ropadope.

Speaker 6 I think we've all heard the term.

Speaker 7 A lot of us have seen the fight. A lot of us have watched various movies that have been made about Ali.

Speaker 7 But when he executes the Ropadope against George Foreman, was there anybody in his camp while it was leading up to the fight that said, hey, Muhammad, this is fucking crazy.

Speaker 7 You're just going to let George Foreman punch you in the stomach until until he's tired, and then that's your plan to knock him out.

Speaker 9 He didn't even tell him what the plan was. They had been practicing.
He had his own plan. And so it's not like beforehand this is fucking crazy.

Speaker 9 They get in the ring and they're screaming at him, get off the ropes, Angelo Dundee, get off the ropes. You know,

Speaker 9 Boudini is get off the ropes. Everybody is doing that, and he knows what he's doing.
He has calculated the odds. The great kind of classically tragic dimension to this is, of course,

Speaker 9 an ability and the willingness to absorb those blows, not just to body, but to head, are going to ultimately end his career and his life.

Speaker 9 But until then, that fight goes down as the Mona Lisa, as, you know,

Speaker 9 a masterpiece, because he, you know, people were worried that he wasn't going to get out of that alive.

Speaker 9 It's just amazing. And they're screaming at him to do this.
And he knows what he's doing and it's right.

Speaker 9 And if you watch that fight, this is a guy that, you know, they just assumed would be the champion forever. And

Speaker 9 Ali, old and out of shape, and, you know, having lost to not only Frasier, but to, you know,

Speaker 9 to others,

Speaker 9 he just demolishes Foreman.

Speaker 9 It's just one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. And it's because he's doing it a different way.
and he's had to adapt from the

Speaker 9 float like a butterfly stuff that he was already doing.

Speaker 9 It's great.

Speaker 7 It's honestly insane to think that that's what his game plan was going to the fight. It's like, yeah, you know what?

Speaker 7 I'm just going to let George Foreman punch me until he's tired, and then I'll be able to knock it down. It's crazy.

Speaker 6 And he has so many iconic moments like that.

Speaker 6 I want your Ken Burns.

Speaker 6 If you had True Serum or Gun to Your Head, not actual Gun to Your Head, but Sonny Liston won. Did Sonny Liston use something to in Muhammad Ali's eyes?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think so. I think it was Linimit.
That's what Ali said. That's what most everybody said.
Somehow, Liniment got in his eye. Something happened.

Speaker 9 He was clearly winning on points every single round, which has startled the Liston camp and probably surprised the hell out of the Cassius Clay client. He's Cassius Clay then.

Speaker 9 And then, you know, he's blind against one of the most ferocious boxers for a round and a half at least, if not two rounds. And then he comes back and there's a kind of vengeance.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 And so, you know,

Speaker 9 it's just an amazing thing.

Speaker 6 It's incredible.

Speaker 6 Yeah, when you watch Ali

Speaker 6 basically be blind and hold his hand out, knowing that if he's touching Sonny Liston's head, he can figure out where the punches are coming from.

Speaker 9 The force had to be with him, right?

Speaker 6 It's incredible.

Speaker 9 He had to do that blind, and you can't make this up. You tell this to a Hollywood producer, they go, nah, but this is what happened.

Speaker 9 And so one of the greatest fights of all time has to be that first Liston fight, just because the improbability of him being able to understand how to handle Liston and then be able to take the worst possible thing, this liniman in the eyes.

Speaker 9 And he's saying, cut the gloves off. I'm done.
Get me out of here. I can't see because he knows exactly what you've just said.

Speaker 9 If Liston lands one punch, his career is over, right? I mean, he's just out and he's not going to get another shot at it. And so, you know, the fact that he lives through that and then comes back.

Speaker 9 And now, you know, if he was mad before, he's really mad. And Liston doesn't stand a chance at that point.
All right.

Speaker 6 And so then my follow-up question was Liston 2. Is that a phantom punch or no? Like, where do you land? Because you tell the story, but where do you, if you had to say?

Speaker 9 I don't have the chops. I got to believe, Remnick sort of, David Remnick sort of suggests, you know, like, we'll never know.
That's true. We will never know.
Was it fixed?

Speaker 9 I can't believe that it would be fixed in that regard. It has to come down.
And I don't think that punch was that good.

Speaker 9 So, regardless of what he was saying, I think somewhere along the line that Liston, who had trained really hard before Ali got sick and then was sort of dissipated, just sort of said after a round, you know, oh my God, it's the same as Miami.

Speaker 9 Here they are in Lewiston, Maine. I've already put the check in the bank.
You know, first time he gets me, I'm going down. And he's acting.

Speaker 9 As Michael Benn said, it's bad acting. It's bad acting.
You know, as Michael Benn says in our film, it's bad acting. So, you know,

Speaker 9 it's going to be one of those mysteries. So I don't count that in a good fight.
First Liston, fabulous. I think first, second, third Frasier, unbelievable.

Speaker 9 The third Frazier is maybe the greatest fight of all time because it's not even a fight anymore. It's about two men as close to death as you can get.

Speaker 9 And then the masterpiece, Cleveland Big Cat Williams and Ernie Terrell, What's My Name? What's My Name?

Speaker 9 And then, of course, the masterpiece of all masterpieces, The Rumble and The Jungle, the Kinshasa Zair fight against George Foreman.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Listen 2 is famous because it's the most iconic picture of all time, too. Like, that's when you think of Ali, you think of that picture.
Of towering over him, going, get up.

Speaker 7 He actually chose a very photogenic person to make this documentary about. There's so much great footage out there.

Speaker 9 Pretty as a girl. Yeah, pretty as a girl, right? He understood, he had the guts to be able to say that when nobody would say that.

Speaker 9 And he was right. He is the most gorgeous specimen, athletic specimen, and shape.
And he understood that

Speaker 9 by promoting that attractiveness, he was promoting what he was doing.

Speaker 7 Yeah. What do you think is the most boring subject that you could make an entertaining documentary about?

Speaker 9 Vacuum cleaners.

Speaker 6 You could do it? Well, I hope it wouldn't suck. That's

Speaker 6 awesome. Damn, we walked into that one.
You guys walked through that. That was good.

Speaker 6 That was good. Oh, man.
I had one last question for you, Ken. So we talked about obviously the Rumble in the Jungle.

Speaker 6 I remember watching When We Were Kings. My dad actually took me to it.

Speaker 6 Really great film. Yeah, he's like, you got to watch this.
It's important. That was kind of like the first

Speaker 6 big, big sports document. Now it's everywhere.
What do you think about like...

Speaker 6 There's a weird spot we're in right now where there's some documentaries where the subjects are part of it and they get to tell their own stories.

Speaker 6 Do you think that this is good for everyone or do you think there's a point where we're maybe doing too many documentaries?

Speaker 9 No, we can't do too many documentaries, but I do worry and PBS doesn't permit me, I can't have somebody who's the subject of the film being a co-producer of the film or the producer of the film.

Speaker 9 It just doesn't work. It's not based on what the congressional mandate or what you guys would expect.

Speaker 9 You just can't do that. So, you know, I'll make my films.
At the end of the day, if the film is good, the film is good and people people will watch it. And that will be,

Speaker 9 that's the ultimate judge of it. And I think I'm thrilled that now sports is being taken seriously.
I mean, when I was making my baseball film, people were going, you can't tell the story of America.

Speaker 9 I said, this is the sequel to my Civil War series. They go, you're out of your mind.
I said, the first real progress in civil rights after the Civil War is Jackie Robinson coming up.

Speaker 9 Of course, it's the sequel. No, but sports aren't as important.
Sports are really important. They're a perfect mirror through which we can see us.

Speaker 9 And I've spent spent the last nearly 50 years telling stories about the U.S., but I've also told stories about us, the two-letter lowercase plural pronoun.

Speaker 9 All of the intimacy of us and all of the majesty, the complexity, the contradiction, and the controversy of the U.S. And man, I feel privileged like I have the best job in America.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 7 And your baseball documentary, I would say, is probably it's the best father-son. piece of art maybe in America.
Do you get that a lot, people?

Speaker 6 I get that all the time. Listen, I get that.

Speaker 7 I just opened up to my my dad, but me and him sat down and I was like,

Speaker 9 I've watched your baseball film more than you, and I'm going, that's impossible. And he goes, yeah, no, my dad and I watch it every January.

Speaker 9 And I go, okay, so it's now been 20, you know, whatever years I guess you have, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, that's one documentary that I can sit down with my dad and watch at any time. And it does, like, it's a family experience watching the story of baseball in America.

Speaker 7 Could we make a documentary about Ken Burns? Like, could I do that and then call it a Ken Burns documentary? And then hopefully PBS will get confused and give me a bunch of money.

Speaker 9 Listen, talk about vacuum cleaners. That would suck.

Speaker 6 Well, everyone should go check it out.

Speaker 6 September 19th, 19th. Correct? September 19th.
PBS, Muhammad Ali, as you've never seen it before. There's been a bunch of documentaries about him.
This is going to be all of it. Soup the nuts.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 And we really appreciate you coming on, Ken.

Speaker 9 Hey, it's been my pleasure. Thanks so much for having me, you guys.

Speaker 6 All right, thanks so much. Be well.

Speaker 7 Great to meet you. Be well.

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Speaker 6 Okay, let's finish up. We got Fire Fest of the week.
Reminder, Tuesday, no show Monday, Labor Day. Tuesday, new show with Andy Staples.
Wednesday, new show with Brooks Kepka. And can I say the guest?

Speaker 6 Yep. Logic.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's already awesome interview. Already taped it.
Logic. And then we'll have Friday.
We'll do a big preview with Warren Sharp getting us into week one of the NFL.

Speaker 7 Football is all the way back, baby.

Speaker 6 It feels great. But let's do Fire Fest of the week.
And also tune into us at Liberty National on Tuesday while we caddy Brooks Kepka.

Speaker 3 9 a.m. 9 a.m.

Speaker 6 Ish.

Speaker 3 My Fire Fest, it's Barcelona Sportsbook related. Living in Jersey, Sportsbooks Live there.
My usual routine is like, you know, I'll wake up, check the sportsbooks, see what I like, and then I forgot.

Speaker 3 Sometimes I'll put picks in at my apartment before I leave. On this particular day, yesterday, Wednesday,

Speaker 6 I

Speaker 3 waited until I got to the train station. There was like a 10-minute wait for my train.
I was like, alright, I'm going to put my picks in.

Speaker 3 There's a feature on the app where you can, I made three MLB picks, and then there's a feature where you can parlay them, which I like. And I'll just sprinkle a little bit on the parlay just to see.

Speaker 3 But because the train was so close to the border of New York City, it wasn't registering my location. Yeah.
So I couldn't put it in. Obviously, the picks went 3-0.

Speaker 6 That's tough.

Speaker 6 That is.

Speaker 3 And one of them was the Dodgers. It was the last game of the night.

Speaker 3 It was close. I thought they were going to lose.
I would have been like, all right, one and two didn't lose the part or didn't win the parlay, whatever.

Speaker 3 But 3-0 with a potential parlay on top of it would have been nice.

Speaker 6 I'd rather go 0-3 than have that happen. Right.

Speaker 3 That's why I was rooting for the I was watching the Braves Dodgers.

Speaker 3 I was like, I hope the Braves win just so I don't have to have that hanging over my head of not only did I go 3-0, but I also would have had the parlay hit.

Speaker 3 So really, like 4 or 5-0 if you're looking at unit numbers.

Speaker 6 But whatever. That's crude.

Speaker 7 Really, gambling is just about how you feel mentally. So in a way, you got to have some confidence going into the weekend.

Speaker 6 You're hot right now.

Speaker 7 I think that still qualifies you as being hot.

Speaker 6 Yes, no. Yes, no, it doesn't.
No, it does. You're hot.
You're setting the board, though. That's what you see worse.

Speaker 3 When you're hot, you know you're going to be not speaking.

Speaker 7 No, but pig cats are right.

Speaker 6 So you're wasting your hotness on losers.

Speaker 3 You're wasting your hotness without any benefit.

Speaker 6 You could just fade me publicly. Yeah, obviously.

Speaker 7 And tweet about it. You're Zach Galfanakis right now sitting down at the blackjack table.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was hurtful.

Speaker 6 It was a troll move. I didn't expect that.
You guys were talking about. I was trying to promote the sports book you guys are holding on.
It's a troll move, not an inside-the-house move.

Speaker 6 Calls coming from inside the house. But like it's also like you were acting like it's not, it hasn't been a reoccurring thing.

Speaker 3 It's happened for the better part of like 10 years.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but you were texting me as if it was the first time. It hurt.
I hated you. It hurt.
It hurt to probably do that. Have my guy do it.

Speaker 6 Especially after I was ready to

Speaker 6 put on my shoes and go fight someone's new boyfriend who didn't end up being a new boyfriend. Yeah.
I was going to fight him. I appreciate that out of it.
You got troll means a lot.

Speaker 6 Hey, you look good, though. You look wasn't short.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 What about your trainer?

Speaker 7 Your new workout regimen.

Speaker 3 That's just fire.

Speaker 6 Yeah?

Speaker 6 Why?

Speaker 7 No fest. Why is it fire?

Speaker 6 Because I'm getting. He's getting jacked.
You are getting jacked. You have a.

Speaker 6 What's this guy's name? Yeah, what is his name? Don't worry about it. What's his name? I'm not telling you.
Who's your trainer? I don't want you to know. Is he big?

Speaker 3 Yeah, my trainer's, you know, they're in shape.

Speaker 7 They're in shape. There? So it's non-biased.

Speaker 6 Is it she?

Speaker 3 I don't like to give people pronouns. You know,

Speaker 3 you never know whether or not people want to go.

Speaker 6 What does she look like, Hank?

Speaker 6 Who cares?

Speaker 6 You have a female trainer. PFT, any questions?

Speaker 6 I never saw her.

Speaker 7 Is there a boxing training class that you can sign up for and the trainer puts on a nightgown and then runs you over with a zero radius mower?

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 7 I'll have to look into that. Okay, if there is one.

Speaker 3 It's actually Soul Cycle.

Speaker 6 Oh, okay. Okay.
Like it. You got it.
Do you like her?

Speaker 6 My trainer's nice.

Speaker 7 Yeah, my trainer's nice. Like more than a trainer?

Speaker 7 You're a training bra right now.

Speaker 6 Does she listen to this show? I don't know. Okay.
Probably not. Well, if she does sup for Hank.

Speaker 7 Sup for Hank. Sup.

Speaker 6 See a trainer.

Speaker 7 Hank really likes the body blows.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 I don't even know what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 I'm never telling you guys anything.

Speaker 7 No headshots.

Speaker 6 All right, PFC, you're firefest.

Speaker 7 It's very funny to just imagine Hank getting beat up by a boxing trainer.

Speaker 3 Regardless of what you're doing, I know what you think is funny to imagine me doing.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah. What?

Speaker 3 I don't even want you to.

Speaker 6 I don't know what you're talking about, Hank. Okay.
Listen, bros are rooting for bros right now.

Speaker 7 I'm pulling for you.

Speaker 6 We're pumping each other up. There you go.
2021. Physically, mentally, spiritually.
Hell yeah. Is that it? Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 7 My Fire Fest is I, well, I sat down with KFC yesterday and recorded a behind the blog episode where we got really deep deep into like my past, my present, like a lot of stuff about me that I don't really share on this podcast a lot because we like to have fun talking about sports.

Speaker 7 Oh, you guys got to do it. Keep it moving, et cetera.

Speaker 6 We got pretty deep.

Speaker 6 Oh, nice.

Speaker 7 He's real deep, real deep, Hank. And so he started asking me about the sunglasses and things like that.

Speaker 7 And I told him something that I've been thinking about for a while here, which is the sunglasses at some point can be a big hindrance to me.

Speaker 7 And not only like just being around the office when people are filming things, I have to worry about, you know, if I'm in the background, toss the glasses on real quick.

Speaker 7 If somebody catches me and then they put it out on Twitter, the person who videoed me just doing their job gets a lot of shit because I happen to be in the background.

Speaker 7 That's not fair to them because that's not their decision. It's my decision.
So it starts to impact other people at times.

Speaker 7 And then if we're doing an interview with somebody who might not know us and they don't have a lot of time to get to know us or haven't heard what we're about, they sit down and they're like, what's the deal with the guy with the glasses?

Speaker 7 And you can see usually at the start of the interview before they get into the rhythm with us, they're just like it throws it off a little bit.

Speaker 7 And that's something that, like, I've been noticing and thinking about for a while.

Speaker 7 And also, when we do live streams, one thing people don't really know is that when we're doing a live stream, when we're watching TV, I can't see the television because of the polarized glasses.

Speaker 7 So, I have to put my head to the side, and it sucks. It makes NFL Sundays way worse.
If I'm doing a live stream, I have to look out of the corner of my eyes the entire time and strain them.

Speaker 7 So, I'm trying to think of ways to partially lose the glasses. And I'm also thinking that people are going to be pissed when they see my eyes, at least for a little bit.

Speaker 7 Not because they're like freak eyes. I think I'm a pretty normal looking guy, but it's just

Speaker 6 that hasn't been out there for a while. Big-time freak out.
Huge freak.

Speaker 7 So, I'm trying to think of ways to ditch the glasses at times, not fully. Yep.
And in certain points, picking and choosing for those reasons that I put out there.

Speaker 7 It's not something that, like, oh, and also if I have to wear them like in a bar at nighttime if we're doing like an event, I just walk into tables yeah I might as well be a blind person that kind of is funny though walking around I think that you should do you should put it to the AWLs to try to we should we should get them to maybe subscribe to a certain YouTube

Speaker 7 speaking of that group week video is coming out today there we go so that's a good start gas it up so how many how many subscribers do we have right now 270

Speaker 6 we need 300 right if we get if we get to 300 let's get to 300 we'll push it to 300 I'll do it and go subscribe and we'll do it on the YouTube we'll We'll do it on the YouTube.

Speaker 6 We'll do it on the YouTube.

Speaker 7 We got to figure out a cool way to do it. Yep.

Speaker 7 But, yeah, it's something I've been thinking about for a while. And obviously, I would still keep the glasses for most of the time that we'd be doing the show.

Speaker 7 I know you'd probably be weirded out just because we've been doing the show.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it would be a little weird, but that's fine. You do whatever you want.
I support you in all your endeavors. What about you, Hank?

Speaker 7 Hank's got a little smirk. What's the smirk? No, I support it.

Speaker 3 I think it's impressive how long you've gone keeping them on as often as you do.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 All right, so that's just what I've been getting off my chest. Also, if you think it's a shitty idea, let me know.

Speaker 6 There will definitely be some people to be mad, but guess what? In like two days, they'll won't even remember that you had glasses.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I can't see people holding on to the mask.

Speaker 6 Is there a wrestler equivalent to this?

Speaker 6 Kane taking off the mask, and now he's

Speaker 6 now.

Speaker 3 Yeah, what happened with that?

Speaker 6 That's what I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 6 That was weirded out, but then he get over it.

Speaker 10 Did Rey Mysterio ever take his off?

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 7 He did an interview but banana on WWE.

Speaker 6 So there it is. You're right.
I don't think. Or what's his name from

Speaker 6 Kiss? Those guys, when they took your makeup. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 That's very weird. That's really strange.
It was very weird. Where they do that.
I think you're right.

Speaker 7 I think that there will be people that will be upset for like a couple days, but I can't see somebody like months from now being like, I wish we put his song on it.

Speaker 6 No one's. Yeah, right.
So 300,000. Let's get it.
Let's get the people motivated. 300,000.
We'll do the reveal on a YouTube. We'll figure out a way to make it fun.
Let's fucking do it.

Speaker 6 And they're freak eyes. They are freak eyes.
So you want to see them. Real nasty.
They're fucking gross. You've never seen it.
I'm going to puke.

Speaker 7 You've never seen eyes like these before.

Speaker 6 They're actually gray. He's got no soul.

Speaker 7 It's like Cal Ripken Jr.

Speaker 7 You see right through actually like Max Scherzer.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I should wear, I should get some shit backs.

Speaker 6 You should. Maybe red contacts.
Or

Speaker 6 what was it? Witches.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Purple eyes.
That fucked me up for a really long time.

Speaker 7 What about the people? Have you ever seen the cat eye contacts? You can get contacts that make it look like you have cat eyes or goat eyes. Yeah, which are those are the devil ones.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 6 Um, all right, uh, let's let's oh my fire fest. Yeah,

Speaker 6 uh I broke my computer and I'm about to have a seizure looking at it, so that's about it.

Speaker 7 How'd you break it?

Speaker 6 I closed it

Speaker 6 a pen inside of it and now the screen is completely smashed and it looks like I'm gonna have a seizure.

Speaker 3 How hard you close it

Speaker 6 That was it. And it did it computers are fucking soft.
They're soft ass ass bitches.

Speaker 7 You should try to get like one of the, you know, the super durable ones that they give to people that have to go out in the field on oil rigs? Ones that have the plastic and rubber around the side?

Speaker 6 What are those called Tough Books? Yeah, Tough Books. Oh, yeah, yeah.
You get a Tough Book. And you get the.
It's that and the Nokia that basically is a walkie-talkie, not a phone. Or is Nextel.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. Nextel.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 That's the starter set for being a badass. I've actually

Speaker 6 been cool.

Speaker 6 Being

Speaker 6 on a construction site is cool. A cell phone hose got holding those commercials.

Speaker 6 Uh, fuck, I don't remember.

Speaker 3 You know the commercial I'm talking about. They were the coolest commercials.

Speaker 7 For the cell phones? Yeah, like, chit-chirp!

Speaker 3 It was like a.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah, the chirp ones. Was it just chirping?

Speaker 3 Fuck. I'm going to find this.

Speaker 7 New cell phone from Noke.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 This one's not for pussies. They were yellow.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Two-way.

Speaker 6 Two-way. Yeah, alright, Jake.

Speaker 7 Where are you at? I have two Firefests.

Speaker 10 I hinted at both of them earlier this week, but they're still bothering me to this day. One is I still have a stiff neck.
My neck is still diagonal.

Speaker 6 Yeah, of course. Let's just get right to it.
And my shoulders are still not. You just went through the weeds.
You are a... Yeah.

Speaker 6 People think Jake is a nice guy, and he is.

Speaker 6 He's a savage with the box.

Speaker 6 Straight up. Yep.
Straight up.

Speaker 6 Put that on a quote card.

Speaker 7 I mean, people always wonder, Jake, how is your mouth so good at pronouncing all these difficult names? Well, a lot of training.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 All Jake does all day at his desk is tie cherry stems and try to impress people.

Speaker 7 He's got like a stack of Starburst wrappers next to him.

Speaker 10 Yeah, so hopefully it loosens up over the weekend. I've tried pretty much.

Speaker 6 Jake loves to eat pussy. Exactly.

Speaker 10 And second off, we are one week from NFL kickoff and Scorigami is still down. Ah! So I'm really officially getting worried.

Speaker 6 What? This is bad.

Speaker 7 Jake, can't you just go back and look at old Scorigami charts and then you can just

Speaker 10 like the master list.

Speaker 6 If you don't have the website,

Speaker 6 nothing else is like the yellow line.

Speaker 10 Yellow line is unofficial.

Speaker 6 It's scoreigami.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Scorigami is the chains.
Everything else is the yellow line.

Speaker 7 So what do we do if it's not up?

Speaker 10 I don't know.

Speaker 6 I saw a different. How about kill ourselves? I don't know.

Speaker 6 A different. That's crazy.

Speaker 7 What's the point of watching football?

Speaker 6 If you don't know if that score has ever happened before.

Speaker 10 I saw a different media company doing a feature on the the Scorigami guy this weekend, so hopefully there's some answers unveiled there.

Speaker 7 We'll see.

Speaker 7 That's probably what it is.

Speaker 10 They're unveiling like a new...

Speaker 7 They're revamping it.

Speaker 6 They've got like a new user.

Speaker 7 Yeah, a new UI that's all set up. Next-gen Scorigami.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 So we'll see. But I'm nervous.

Speaker 7 I like the old school feel of the Scorigami website, though. It's like when you go onto the ELO chess rankings and all that, and it looks like it's straight out of 2009.

Speaker 6 Super Bowl squares on steroids. Yeah,

Speaker 7 you don't need to update something something that's already perfect.

Speaker 10 Yes. Yeah, so I'm nervous, but we'll see.

Speaker 6 Billy, give us your Fire Fest and also anything that we missed.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so I bought, I have some waterproof boots.

Speaker 6 A lot of flooding this

Speaker 6 last night.

Speaker 6 Camouflage on them?

Speaker 7 They're just desert colored.

Speaker 7 So I went to

Speaker 6 wade through all the flooding.

Speaker 7 Billy, why would you ever buy waterproof boots that are designed to blend into a desert environment?

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 7 Anyway, so I stepped into the water. One of the boots had some sort of hole in it.
So I have one dry foot, one suit.

Speaker 6 Are we looking at it right now? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Wait.

Speaker 6 Is your right foot just soaked right now? Yep. It's the next day.

Speaker 7 Well, no, this morning. Oh.
There's still water.

Speaker 9 I have to go back through a lot of water to get home.

Speaker 6 Very clear which one is not waterproof. Yep.
Well,

Speaker 7 got one soggy sock.

Speaker 6 You wouldn't make a good well, no, you got in here, so you would make a good troop.

Speaker 7 I got through.

Speaker 7 Have you considered wrapping up your legs with something as you're walking through?

Speaker 7 Because I see all the brown water and I'm like, if if somebody has a scrape on their leg, there's some parasites in there. Yeah, so definitely going to go with some plastic bags next time.
Okay. Good.

Speaker 7 Always wrap it up, Billy.

Speaker 7 Does Mike Vrabel actually hate Tom Brady?

Speaker 6 I saw the video. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 7 Definitely. It's real animosity between Tom Brady and Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 7 And not at all just because, like, they're former teammates that shared a locker room for years and years and years and won Super Bowls together.

Speaker 7 Also, speaking of Tim Tebow earlier, Jake Paul wants Tebow to box.

Speaker 6 Oh, another thing that Tim Tebow can fail at. Yeah.

Speaker 6 You think he'd be a good boxer? Exactly. That's what everyone said with the tight end.

Speaker 7 Imagine how long it would take for him to throw a punch.

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 6 Okay. I think he would be

Speaker 6 look so stiff, and he would get knocked out, and everyone would be like, Well, he tried,

Speaker 7 but then he would rise again.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, uh, anything else?

Speaker 7 Uh, no, okay, I think, I think Coley said that Tim Tebow is like the ultimate Joe in pros versus Joe's.

Speaker 7 He should just have like a reality show that has him competing and getting defeated by every single former professional athlete in every sport.

Speaker 6 I love it, I love it.

Speaker 3 84.

Speaker 6 99,

Speaker 10 8. 18.
I should credit my source. It's Nina Kimes doing the scoregami feature.

Speaker 7 Excited.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 What is she doing? Scoregami. Oh, the feature, yeah.

Speaker 7 Oh, Justin Herbert also is a cart return guy. 69.

Speaker 6 11.

Speaker 6 11. First timer.
Whoa, score gamma. We still have like 15 left.
15.

Speaker 10 We have 6, 14, 15, 20, 22, 26, 27, 29, 44, 49, 51, 63, 76, 78, 81, 88, 97.

Speaker 7 That was very fast. Your tongue was really working on that one.

Speaker 6 Gabriel, I'm going to start taking 97. I'm going to will 97.
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