Kirk Herbstreit, Mt Rushmore Of Water And Football Is Back

Hey, Pardon My Take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music.
On today's Pardon My Take, we have the one and only Kirk Herbstreet recurring guest talking about his new book, talking about college football. A lot of great stuff, Lee Corso, an awesome interview with Kirk Herbstreet.
We have college football back officially. The first games of meaningful football have been played.
Who's back of the week? And then the Mount Rushmore of water. Before we get to all of that.
The Barstool Golf Time app makes it easy for golfers to find the best tee times at the best prices. Stop searching all over Google for your next tee time.
Start searching multiple courses in your area from one app. It's annoying to have to create accounts for each individual course to book online.
Just make one account with us at Barstool Golf Time and book all of your tee times. Plus, the new reservation sharing option allows you to take control and book tee times for your entire group.
Earn golf time rewards every time you book or leave course reviews.

And then you can redeem those rewards for free Barstool Golf Merch in our store.

Download the Barstool Golf Time app now.

Start earning those rewards and booking those tee times.

Barstool Golf Time app now.

Sponsor.

Okay, let's go.

Bye!

Bye! Let's go. And then I can't blame all on the sun Oh no We're gonna rock down to Electric Avenue And then we'll take it higher Oh we're gonna rock down to Electric Avenue And then we'll take it higher It's part of my take presented by Barstool Sports Welcome to part of my take presented by Dave and Busters Go check out, watch football at Dave and Busters this year.
Big screen TVs, games, menu, everything. Dave and Busters, D&Bs, ding, ding, ding.
Today is Monday, August 30th, and I don't know if you guys have heard this one before, but football is back. Football is back.
Also, congratulations to the Baltimore Ravens. They broke Vince Lombardi's record.
20-0 in preseason football. The greatest streak perhaps in all of sports.
Simply incredible. Simply incredible.
So I'm in Cleveland right now. We're taping this in the middle of the afternoon because I'm going to be part of the Jake Paul circus tonight.
But we are going to talk some football. We have Kirk Herbstreet on in a second.
We have Mount Rushmore. We should talk, though.
So the Baltimore Ravens, a good story. They are the preseason champs.
We should talk real quick, though, about Scott Frost in Nebraska, because the first meaningful football game was played. The first meaningful football game points were a safety when a guy fielded a punt at the one yard line and tried to throw it out of the end zone.
There's a rouge. They were attempting a rouge.
Nebraska is a complete and utter dumpster fire. I don't know what you do.
I don't know if you saw the graphics they were throwing up there, but Scott Frost is now 9-18 in Big Ten football games. Zero bowl games.
He has the second worst record of any head coach in Nebraska history, and it's a complete failure. And I feel bad for Nebraska fans.
I'm sure they're probably... The fact that they had that type of failure as the standalone game in week zero has to hurt because otherwise you would have just, like, passed over an Illinois-Nebraska game.
No, that was – everyone was watching that game. That game ruled because it was Big Ten through and through.
Brett Bielema just grinding them up. Scott Frost, though, total disaster.
It's tough. It's tough when they put the graphic up and it was Scott Frost

and then a guy who looked like he was a 1901 baseball pitcher

with a black and white pitcher next to him.

And then another guy, I think the other guy's profile picture

was just a cartoon because they didn't have cameras invented

when that guy was coaching.

But he is like, it's the worst start to any Nebraska coach,

maybe of all time.

And it's not great because they thought that this guy was going to be the savior. He was coming off a national championship at UCF.
He was like the prodigal son returning. This is the next guy that's going to save Nebraska football.
And then he comes in, implements a system that is decidedly not Nebraska in how they run. Seriously, if you're the next Nebraska coach, just buy all the steroids.
Just get all the steroids. If you get caught, I guarantee you that Cornhusker fans will not give a shit if you get caught running the dirtiest strength and conditioning program in the history of college sports besides, what's that movie? Unnecessary Roughness.
You need that. No.
Oh, the program? Or unnecessary. Yeah, both of them had yeah the program but like you need the dirtiest strength and conditioning coach of all time just cheat just cheat because it would be less embarrassing if you're nebraska to get caught cheating than it is running whatever you have been running for the last 10 years yes and i credit to brett bielema because i actually think he's going to be a good coach at illinois and he plays brett bielema ball that that drive to start the second half where he was like i'm just going to run the ball down your throat for 75 yards was vintage bielema but it's this is like the winner yesterday was actually sneaky jim harbaugh because the prodigal son going home and having it being a failure now is like the the big one is now Scott Frost because Jim Harbaugh at least got Michigan to like within an inch of going to the Big Ten championship game in a college football playoff like Scott Frost they haven't even sniffed it and it's year four and I would actually say that the like the it's not even the offense he's running it's just the fact that he keeps trotting out Adrian Martinez, who I've never seen a guy have an ability to fumble the ball at inopportune times more than this guy.
He just is like, oh, this specific moment would be a soul crusher. Okay, now I'm going to fumble.
Some fumble six at the end of the half. Yeah, if you're a Martinez, and yes, it is a different Martinez.
No one understands that, but they have had a quarterback named Martinez for what feels like 15 years in a row. Because Taylor Martinez was before.
That was in like the early 2011 to 14-ish. Yes.
And now, so anytime you get out-dueled by a Sitkowski, it's going to be an issue. And credit to him.
Shout out Rutgers transfer. That was half a win for Rutgers, too.
Yeah, exactly. So he looked good in comparison, but it was mostly like, is there a coach that you would less rather play in opening day in week zero than Bielema? I don't think that there is.
Because, Saban. Over the course of a season, no, I would rather play Saban because everyone expects you to lose and get crushed by Saban.
But Bielema, that's when he's at his freshest. You get a few weeks of actual football in under Bielema's belt, his considerable belt, and you're going to be facing a guy that's a little worn down, a little grunt.
I mean, he's a lot of man, Big Cat. He's lost some weight's lost some weight though we got to give him credit he's lost 30 or 40 pounds so he he does look i mean look when you get very big losing 30 or 40 pounds you're still big but you got to give credit where we're trying to get everyone you know healthy that's how you know how big he is because he's like i lost either 30 or 40 pounds he's not sure yeah somewhere around there well I think that I think when you're that big um the 10 pound difference is really just the last meal you had yeah like it can fluctuate just from that yeah have you shit today yet well then I'm more like 30 pounds less than I was yes so um but yeah it was uh I don't know what to do I actually now feel bad for Nebraska fans because it was it was kind of fun to joke about but now it's like where do you go from here maybe back to the big 12 really sad they have a I think it's a 20 million dollar uh buyout for Scott Frost so like in all likelihood Scott Frost is probably going to be there for another year because I always just assume when the prodigal son comes home, he always gets, like, it's always however many years he should be fired plus one.

You always get that, like, extra year.

So next year will probably be his extra year.

And it's just a disaster.

And I want Nebraska to be good because, like you said, the fan base is incredible.

That's all they have. I mean, that's the big thing in town.
Obviously, that's the big thing in the state. And they've just been very, very bad.
And Scott Frost, dude, you could tell, too. He was like, you know how he was being cocky about last year when he's like, yeah, we'll go to, where did he say? We'll go to, where did he say? Kazakhstan or something? Yeah, we'll play anybody at any time.
Yeah, right. Now he's like yeah, this is we're just snakebitten.
It's like, no, probably you're just bad. You guys are just bad.
Yeah, I blame a couple people for this. I blame, first of all, the entire university.
Who was the coach? Was it Bill Callahan when he did not recruit Danny Woodhead from in-state? The best player maybe in the history of the state of Nebraska?

I mean, to not recruit him, I think that that put a curse.

They even let him come out and do his pro day on their field

in which Danny Woodhead cucked all of Nebraska's players

and outperformed all of them.

By not recruiting Danny Woodhead, not even sending him a letter,

they probably didn't even drive past his house

for the four years Danny Woodhead was tearing up high school football in Nebraska. That put a curse on them.
Number two, I blame Warren Buffett. If you're the richest dude almost in America, and you're like the only thing in Nebraska besides the University of Nebraska, and you don't like sports, you're a weirdo.
You need to be contributing some money to the program. You need to be building up this program.
He'sighton guy yeah i don't like that i don't like that i think that you need you need to have an affinity for major sports in america if you're a billionaire or else it's just a waste of money you're just a money pit that we're all shoveling cash into non-stop so i blame warren buffett like just give some money to the football program warren yeah yeah i mean Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I love college football, so I kind of love the ins and outs of when a disaster happens like this and there's like, what are they going to do? The idea that the AD might be texting boosters during halftime. After Adrian Martinez fumbles for a fumble six with a minute and a half left in the second quarter, he's texting boosters being like, so how much will you pay so that we can get him out of here? Like it's $20 million.
Can you cough up the money? Yeah, I like to think that Scott Frost was actively on Trulia at halftime. Just seeing what the house could go for.
See what the cops are out there. The other story from Saturday,urday we only had five games well there's a couple one was uh the i don't know why they played the fresno state game at like 11 o'clock local time but uh the the players cleats were melting on the field it was so hot and like they had to stop the game because a fan passed out but the big big story is chip kelly has brought back the visor which i don't know if you saw but before the game it was like hey chip kelly just is wearing the visor today he's never done this at ucla and i was like mortal lock ucla because he this is the first time he put the visor back on in a college game since oregon i think i i'm a firm believer in weirdos like chip kelly like he purposely didn't put on the visor until he knew he had a team that could compete and now he's like all right I got my guys I'm ready to roll visor time yeah because he wasn't really Chip Kelly for the last few years because he knew that the recruits weren't there he knew he wasn't going to live up to the name of Chip Kelly so why why put yourself out there just fly on the radar for a while and then come back when you feel like yeah you've got a real chance he looked good with a

visor too sometimes chip kelly's weight fluctuates so much i don't even know if it's his weight but

it's just how swollen he is on any given day like sometimes he looks a little svelte and sometimes

it looks like he's got like his with a visor it's like a rubber band wrapped around a balloon

and then you it like puffs out on either side but he looked good on saturday ucla looked good there

I'm sorry. It looks like he's got, like, his – with a visor, it's like a rubber band wrapped around a balloon.
And then it, like, puffs out on either side. But he looked good on Saturday.
UCLA looked good. There was nobody at all at the game.
I think – UCLA football, what is that, like, the 50th, 60th option of stuff to do on a Saturday in Los Angeles? Well, and it's also they play at the Rose Bowl. Like, they don't play in downtown L.A.
So I think that obviously makes it – I mean, you know going to Pasadena yeah I do and you know what 405 there it was on the same day as El Trafico LAFC against the Galaxy the classic MLS match the Derby so yeah that probably explains why nobody went there we should talk a little soccer right now Cristiano Ronaldo uh is back at Manchester United. Yeah, he basically, last second of the transfer window, Pinaldo was like, oh, where can I go get the most amount of penalties? All right, I'm going to go back to Man U.
I have a little video for when he's ready to go that I have, a little Jeff Fisher video. Bubba's sneezing in the background.
I don't, you know, Man U fans, you should feel dirty. You should feel bad about yourself.
Yeah. I mean...
Did he start his career there? It's coming home. Is the video a coming home video, Big Cat? Sometimes you have to go back.
It's just him kicking penalty kicks. Bubba just keeps sneezing in my face.
And I don't know what's going to happen. I probably have COVID now.
Cristiano Ronaldo is a little bitch. No respect coming from this side of the table to Cristiano Ronaldo.
I wouldn't even say his name. I like him.
No, Hank. That's problematic, Hank.
If you knew anything about Cristiano Ronaldo's past. He's got his own island, right? I'm good.
Vacation king. So did Jeffrey Epstein.
Yeah. I will not say his name on this podcast.
I won't. I just, I simply won't do it.
Man,, Man U's a trash franchise although I'd still rather cheer for them than Arsenal at this point, like 5-0 I mean, come on 0-5? They stink They're rubbish It was funny because Jetski who works with us does the graphics for Troops and Za for the Arsenal games, the streams and we're at rough and rowdy on friday night and i think he was out and he basically stayed up late to make all the graphics and he was like essentially half asleep when he got in the car on saturday morning and i was like yeah do you see arsenal lost five nothing he had made every graphic except up to five goals because he's like this can't happen so he's like made 1- 1-1 2-1 2-2 all the graphics he's like are you fucking serious they lost five to nothing so yeah that's how bad arsenal is right now they're just they're exceeding even the graphics for live streams yeah just real bad real real bad showing by the boys from arsenal i'm arteta out now i think they should bring back they should bring back winger right i I've been Arteta out for a long ass time. Fuck that guy.
I mean, can you imagine rooting for Man U when they're not even the best soccer team in Manchester? No, not me. I couldn't do it.
Not me. Man City.
What part of London is Manchester in? It's in South London. Got it.
It's where the Cockney accent, that's Manchester. actually no no yeah that's it's peaky blinders that's manchester ah okay nice good to know little little historical let's do um real quick i just watched three hours of a rain delay on f1 that's all i got oh i have one thing from it did you see lewis hamilton on uh his he was talking about uh some dude i think it's Christian Horner, dropped a bomb.
Lewis Hamilton on the... It was a cameraman.
It was a cameraman. So Hank, you got to stand up for yourself.
Lewis Hamilton said this, I'm glad I went to the toilet. The one I went to, someone had dropped a crazy bomb in there.
The worst thing ever. I'm going to haunt me.
It's going to haunt me for life. That was pretty much the highlight of F1 today.
Okay, wait, that was, Lewis Hamilton said that. Yes, yes.
He said it's going to haunt him for life. That was pretty much the highlight of F1 today.
Okay, wait, that was Lewis Hamilton said that. Yes, yes.
He said it's going to haunt him for life. It was probably Christian Horner's toilet.
Yeah, but so what Hank said, and he's right, is they said that it was a French cameraman who went to that bathroom. So Hank, do you think as a cameraman yourself who blows up toilets, Big Cat, a little bit French, a little bit French.
Oh, what have I ever blown up a toilet in your face? Big Cat, you literally, Mount Rushmore, you talked about how you literally clog every toilet of every bathroom. That had nothing to do with you.
We've all blown up our fair share. That had nothing to do with you.
Have you clogged the toilet in your bathroom this weekend yet? No. Actually, no.
Congratulations. Actually, no.
Thank you. Prayer's up for it later.
It seems like you're shaming me.

No, I'm just saying you're trying to say I'm the bomb exploder in this podcast. I think you're a cameraman.

I do think it's a little unfair to point any finger because as a podcast,

I think we probably have like 2.5 toilets broken per person as an average.

But I do, to your point, Big Cat, I know what you're saying.

I think when you're a cameraman, you've got to be locked in. You only get so many minutes of break, so it's probably something that you hold in for a long time, and then when you get to release it, it's a bomb.
I wasn't saying that it was a bomb because it was you. I just added that.
I was talking about from a cameraman's perspective, if you, like, blow up a toilet, if you were doing it, like, maybe you were doing Sunday Night Football, you blow up a toilet, and now Michaels goes in after you like you kind of have to quit yeah that's tough that's definitely tough like if they know who this guy was which it sounds like they do i think you have to quit how did you can't go how did they walk around and see his face and be like yo that he said this will haunt me forever well maybe it was a race car driver who's seen like people die in crashes how did they positively id whose shit that it was did they check it did they test it like get a sample of it or did they have like they've got surveillance and they went back to the security room and saw no i think who went in first because that's kind of bullshit i think he just went in died no he just went in after someone he just went in after someone that that's kind of on you you got to give a little buffer zone. If somebody walks out of a porta potty, you don't ask the person,

hey, can you hold the door for me?

I'm going in next.

You've got to give it a good five, six minutes to cool down.

It's too hot.

You can't go into a hot zone.

Guns blazing.

This guy's got to quit.

This guy's got to quit.

He's got to quit.

What other sports?

Anything else that we've got to talk about sports-wise?

Yeah, there was a tie.

There was a preseason tie. I didn't know that that happened.
It didn't even go into overtime. It was the Jets and the Eagles.
31-31. Jake, that's probably a Scorigami, right? I'll check.
I would assume so. Maybe not, because there used to be ties.
Yeah, 31-31. There still are, technically.
Yeah, I mean, you can tie in the NFL. Oh, my God.
Scorigami.com is offline for maintenance. Oh, sweet Christ.
They need to fix this. Jesus Christ.
Two weeks from today. Emergency.
That would be terrible. Emergency.
I guess the hottest debate right now is, is it going to be Cam or is it going to be Mac? Oh, yeah. People are still talking about that.
And Belichick's keeping it pretty close to the vest. So, I don't know.
One thing that I've heard, and I love this line of dialogue, people saying, you know what, Mac Jones, he's not going to be the best rookie quarterback, but he's the most NFL-ready rookie quarterback right now. I love that.
So he's going to go in and probably not lose you any games, whereas Cam Newton is probably going to lose you a couple games, maybe win you a couple games. Mac Jones is just kind of going to be there.
I don't know if you feel the same way, Big Cat, but I mean, I know you're trying to get Justin Fields starting even though Andy Dalton's a super nice guy, but I would prefer Cam Newton to start because you have no wiggle room. It just seems like if Mac Jones starts, Cam Newton's going to be mad, and if Mac Jones does bad, then it's going to be like a disaster, Whereas if Cam starts and is bad, it just extends the season a little bit.

It gives you a second chance versus if you do it the opposite way,

it seems like much more of a shit show.

I see what you're saying.

I kind of agree with what you're saying.

I think the Bears are a little bit of a different case.

I'm more mad at just Matt Nagy getting in front of everyone and saying we still have to evaluate Andy Dalton.

That's more where my anger comes from, the fact that he's just lying to us and the idea of a quarterback competition never existed. But I see what you're saying.
Like, if Mac Jones starts, you might lose Cam Newton and then, like, not lose him, but, you know, he's like, well, fuck this, I'm a starter. Yeah.
And then if Mac Jones does poorly, but I don't know. I think Belichick's, I guess the real difference here is Matt Nagy, I think, is a fucking moron.
Bill Belichick is a genius. Bill Belichick's going to do whatever is right to win football games.
Matt Nagy's going to do whatever is right to try to save his job. So I think the motivations are different, and that's why if you're sitting in your seat, you just trust whatever Belichick does.
I think Matt Nagy even moved on though i don't think that he's trying his motivation isn't trying to save his job his motivation at this point is just like what can i do to get myself another friend and so i think if i start andy dalton he'll be my friend and he'll like me so yeah belichick doesn't give a shit about that obviously and you're right like andy dalton has come off the few times. Nice guy.
In his career. Very nice guy.
I know Hank hasn't said anything about Cam being a nice guy. Cam's a nice guy.
Oh, nice guy. Oh, okay, nice.
He's got great fashion. Great fashion.
We all love it, yeah. Andy Dalton is a great guy.
MVP. Andy Dalton also didn't win MVP.
That's true. That's a good point.
That's a very good point. Yeah, so.
And then we also had Urban Meyer. I just love coach speak so much because I think maybe a week and a half ago, he was like, yeah, we're still evaluating our quarterbacks.
And then they traded Gardner Minshew for like a six-rounder. So it was neck and neck Gardner Minshew, Trevor Lawrence.
And then they traded him for a six-rounder. It happened that fast.
Yep, yep. No one knew.
I tell you what, I wouldn't want to be the person that goes into the port-a-potty after Gardner Minshew because, remember, he said he wasn't going to take a shit all training camp because he didn't even want the phrase number two to enter his dialogue. So it's going to be him up in Philly.

I just feel like Philly doesn't know what... Yeah, that's right.

Philly, yes.

I feel like Philly has no idea what they're going to do with this season.

It's like chaos.

It's utter chaos.

Because even the people that kind of like Jalen Hurts are like,

we like Jalen Hurts, but this guy's clearly not the answer for us.

They don't have a clear direction at all. It's just kind of like pandemonium in Philadelphia right now.
I think without looking at the Eagles' schedule, and my very uneducated guess is that Philly's going to play decent to start the season, and everyone's going to say, wow, look at Jalen Hurts, and then they're going to, because they don't have the super talented roster, then they're going to fall off, and everyone's going to say wow look at jalen hurts and then they're going to because they don't have like the super talented roster then they're going to fall off and everyone's going to say well the league figured out jalen hurts okay and then it sounds like if you give up all this all this capital to get minshu sounds like joe flacco might be the odd man out in philly all that capital yeah six rounder i mean if you give up something for the guy you know what you know what the texans are asking for deshaun watson yeah like five first round picks and the dolphins are asking for like a bunch of clauses to get them all back right yeah they're like hey if he's a rapist can we get our stuff back yeah yeah yeah just gonna throw this this quick uh this quick disclaimer on this trade Yeah, and honestly, I kind of agree with that disclaimer. If a player gets convicted of 22 counts of sexual assault after you trade for him, you should be able to send him back.
I'm not going to say I've found a piece with Dolphins fans, but so past me would say, hey, it seems kind of weird that they're even having discussions if Tua's the guy. but again I've found peace with Dolphins fans, but so past me would say, hey, it seems kind of weird that they're even having discussions if Tua is the guy.
But again, I've found peace with Dolphin fans, so I'm just gonna say Tua is the guy. Yeah, well, I don't know.
I feel like Tua, the microscope isn't so much on Tua anymore in Florida as it is Trevor Lawrence. Like, Tua's gonna be able to skate.
If he has an average season this year and Trevor Lawrence stinks it up, Tua's kind of off the hook. Do you expect Tua? How so? Well, what's the bar for success for Tua right now? Do you want him to go out there and light it up? Well, yeah, because I think the Dolphins have a playoff caliber roster.
I mean, they were decent to, like, good last year.

So I think that Tua is, it's basically his play has to pick up.

Trevor Lawrence is a wash this year.

Like, he doesn't have to do, because the Jaguars stink,

and they don't have anything around him.

So he's kind of good no matter what, and I think he's going to look good.

I think Tua has to show something this year.

Yeah, but I'm saying, like, he was so bad at times last year that just an average season this year out of Tua, I think that goes a long way. Oh, I think they need to make the playoffs.
I do. Well, I think the Dolphins can make the playoffs with Tua being average.
Are they doing the extra game this year? No. How many teams make the playoffs this year? Yeah, I think extra game, right? Your game? The Big Cat game? Yeah, the Nickelodeon game.

Nick Jr. slime time.

I don't like how they changed the playoffs in MLB and then changed it back.

If you change the playoffs once, I just expect it to stay that way forever.

So thankfully the NFL has done that.

Or when they switch from certain rounds being best of five to best of seven,

and then they go back.

No.

If you're a dad and they change that,

you will never remember it ever for the rest of your life if they change it back.

I don't know. Browns being best of five to best of seven, and then they go back.
No. If you're a dad and they change that, you will never remember it ever for the rest of your life if they change it back.
Yeah. I think NBA absolutely should go back to the best of five.
Dikembe Mutombo. Shock the world.
Yeah. Those are the moments that you get.
My dad still calls it the pennant. Like, you can't change things up on dads.
Yes. Yes.
All right. Let's get to who's back of the week.
Who's back of the week is brought to you by our friends of the Cash App. The stock market is back.
Investing through the Cash App is back. Buying and sell Bitcoin.
So download the Cash App, enter the referral code Barstool. You'll receive $10 and they will now send $10 to ASPCA.
When you download the Cash App from the App Store, Google Play Store today, the Cash App is back. Do it right now.
Check it out. Buy stocks.
Buy and sell Bitcoin. Do it all with the Cash App.
Okay. Who's back of the week? Hank.
My who's back of the week is Trent Dilfer. Ooh, all right.
Did you guys see this video? Yes. Dilfer is a high school coach.
This is actually kind of a foreshadowing to – you think that was a salt shake? Not really. So this is a little foreshadowing to our interview.
We talked about it with Herbstreet. Dilfer is a high school football coach now, and there was a viral clip that went out on Friday or Saturday of him.
Apparently a player talked back to him, and it was like Dilfer trying everything in his power not to assault him. He was up in his face screaming him.
He was kind of walking towards him, and the kid was walking back. He wasn't really pushing him.
His arms didn't extend with a push, but he definitely walked him back, was screaming in his face, just alfing the shit out of him. It was just one of the...
I'm curious to see what Billy thinks. I think it's a regular kind of football player and football coach interaction if a player is giving him shit, but it was just funny because it was Trent Dilfer being an absolute psychopath.

Yeah, I'm watching it right now.

Yeah, he's dog walking him.

That's a dog walk to his own player.

I put most of the blame on the holdback guy.

Trent's holdback guy does an awful job.

The holdback guy is nowhere to be found until the very end when the player spikes his helmet on the ground,

and then the holdback guy does a half-assed job of grabbing his belt you need to have a hand around the waist the entire time providing backwards resistance on Trent Dilfer but Trent Dilfer looks kind of jacked up also in this clip jacked up yeah he does he does he looks beastly Billy what uh what did you think dude with a lot of this stuff it's just because Trent Dilfer is under a microscope because he's Trent Dilfer. This happens Friday nights across America.
Just a guy getting chewed out. And apparently their team is one of the best teams in the country.
Yeah, that's excellent. There's also a sliding scale with being a hard-O to your kids, and it's high school.
If this happened in the NFL, what are they doing? No one's going to respond. No grown man's going to respond to that type of coaching.
But I think when you're in high school that it plays. Oh, this isn't even that bad now that I'm rewatching.
I agree. So the thing I was curious for Billy and Big Cat, I guess, as a father, is because a lot of the comments were like, imagine if you're a dad in the stands and you see this happen.
Like, what's your reaction? I'd be like, good. He's coaching him hard.
I mean, as long as he – Because he didn't push him. You're right.
There was no physical assault. It was just like he just dogwalked his shit out.
Right. As long as you're not Bobby Knight choking a kid.
Like Tom Izzo, it happens every year with Tom Izzo where he'll grab a guy, grab a kid. I hate the argument, you never put your hands on a player.
It's like grabbing a guy by the shoulder, grabbing him by the elbow. Come on.
Are we really going to get upset about that? Obviously, if it's like punching, choking, like actual malicious intent, there was no malicious intent in this. All right.
So upon further review in this clip't really touch him besides, like, even what he's doing to the kid as he's walking backwards. Like, he's got his hands on the kid's pads.
Great hand placement. Yeah, it's not even a hold.
It's just, like, keeping your hands inside and maintaining leverage. He just walks towards him.
Yeah, you're right. That happens at probably 10,000 high schools across America across America every weekend also some of these guys are in such a mindset that it was probably actually good Trent Dilfer talked him down because if emotions are flaring like he could have been yelling at a ref I don't know what the context was but getting himself in more trouble so it's almost like you got a corner you know the angry bull and to to add to all of it I hate the reaction whenever something like this happens because you don't know this player and the coaches, like how their relationship works, right? It's just, you get a glimpse of it for a split second and then you decide immediately, oh, how could he ever do that? That might like the player could have ultimate trust in the coach.
They could, it could player that says i need to be coached hard like this is the buttons that need to be pushed so i never see a a brief second of that and be like oh my god how could he it's it's just ridiculous by the way i've been looking at the um computer the whole time not the camera so that's gonna be weird for the clips i just realized also by the way just a second ago i saw liam put up story of you, Big Cat, and I don't know if it was the camera angle, but it looks like you're sitting at a kiddie desk. Well, Liam, not to incriminate ourselves, he ripped a nightstand off the wall for what I'm using right now.
My knees are in, like there's nails in here that he ripped off the wall for the love of the game. I sat down and I looked and it's just, it's like a piece of wood dangling off the wall.
I was like, did you rip this off the wall? All right, wait. Go ahead, PFD.
We have an update here from Lipscomb Academy Football. A statement from our head coach, Trent Dilfer, on the viral video going around.
I want to address the incident on our sideline. Memes, don't even think about it.
I know where your head went, memes, immediately. During Friday night's game versus Independence, that has drawn a lot of attention.
First and foremost, I take full responsibility as the head coach and leader of our team for not de-escalating an emotional situation with one of our players, Bo Dawson. Bo is one of our finest student athletes and embodies all the characteristics we're looking for in our Mustang players.
He plays the game with the right kind of passion and is an inspiration to other players. During a moment of frustration in an attempt to get our team to play with more discipline, I unfairly singled Bo out.
Somehow Bo has been portrayed publicly as the culprit, when in reality I should have been a better leader and showed greater wisdom and discernment in how I handled this incident. Overall, I could not be more proud of Bo and the rest of our team for how they handled the emotional nature of each game they compete in.
That's a good statement. That's Trent jumping on a grenade for Bo.
What was the score of the game? Because I have a feeling it was a blowout. I think I saw that they've won their two games by like 100%.
Yeah, they were probably blowing the other team out, and they wanted to keep it cordial. Yeah, Bo probably wanted to get back into the game because he's such a competitor.
And Tripp was like, you stay on the sideline. We have class at this program, young man.
And I still feel like if we ever interviewed Trent Tilford, he would say it didn't happen. But the story of him asking for the private jet is still, I think, the funniest story of any ESPN personality of all time.
Yeah. All-time miscalculation of knowing your worth.
That's it. That's my Who's Back.
All right. PFT.
Good Who's Back, Hank. Thanks.
Good Who's Back. Got the discussion going.
My Who's Back of the week is giant thermometers, number one. Giant thermometers were out in full force this weekend.
We saw one out in Fresno. The temperature on the field was like 135 degrees.
And when they say on the field, I realize now they literally mean on the – they're measuring the temperature of the black pellets that are on the football field because they lay the giant thermometer down in the turf. They don't just hold it next to themselves.
So it was like 130 degrees down on the field and 90 degrees in the air. And as Big Cat said earlier, it was melting people's cleats, which doesn't seem safe to get tackled on, doesn't seem safe to play on.
But I love the giant thermometers.

Then there was a second giant thermometer,

and I think that one was more like 80 degrees, 85 degrees.

But you get kind of bookended in football season by giant thermometers.

At the start, they're like, holy shit, the field is 130 degrees.

Then at the end of the season,

the giant thermometers come back out again in the playoffs

when they're like, can you believe it? It's negative five degrees here in Foxborough, Massachusetts, and the Dolphins don't have a chance. Like that sort of thing.
Yes, yes. Giant thermometers are definitely back.
Love giant. And then I had one more who's back, just football guys back in general.
Brian Harsin is back. So in case you've forgotten about Brian Harsin, he is coaching now at Auburn.
Yeah, so he said that he's sick of his players taking the elevator, and he wants a blue-collar mentality on the team. And so he installed a sign in the elevator of the athletic complex saying it's for injured players only.
Everyone else has to take the stairs. So no one else.
This is such a classic football guy thing too, because I guarantee he thinks of everything literally. So when he's like, you know what? You can't skip any steps on the path to excellence.
So you can't skip any steps in my practice facility. It is like Josh Heupel that we talked about last week, that he likes the enthusiasm that his players are taking the stairs, like how they're walking up the stairs.
It just, every time we hear something like this, it makes you realize why Nick Saban just keeps kicking everyone's teeth in. Yeah.
Because like, these guys are worrying about elevators and stairs and Nick Saban is just rolling out five-star recruits and first-round draft picks and just demolishing everyone.

Yeah, if Nick Saban figured out teleportation,

he would just teleport his players from the weight room

to the practice room or the practice field

to the film room to the cold tub.

And he doesn't give a shit how you get around the place.

He's just like, okay, we're going to be better,

faster, stronger than everybody.

Yes, yes.

All right, my Who's Back of the Week, two of them.. One is Kanye Donda finally dropped.
I listened to it once through. I like it.
I think it's good. There's some good songs on it.
Um, I know that Kanye has you, if you throw out an opinion on Kanye, like I, I just tweeted simply, I like Donda cause I listened to it one time through and I thought there was, I don't know, five or six songs that I liked and a couple that I really liked. And I just had to mute the conversation because there's just, if you have an opinion on Kanye in any form online, it's just an immediate lightning rod.
Yeah. It's okay.
That's my official review. Donda, it's okay.
Yeah. I liked it.
I liked a couple songs. I mean, there's like 40 songs on there,

so if there's a couple bangers, why not?

There's a lot of filler.

I feel like Kanye wrote this album,

and he envisioned it being a soundtrack

to a movie that he has not produced yet.

Which is coming.

Yeah, I'm sure there'll be an accompanying film

that goes along with it.

So there's a bunch of stuff on the album

that's like people chanting

are just songs that aren't really songs, but kind of like background stuff. But yeah, you're right.
There are a couple of good tracks on there. So I'm glad that he's back making music again.
That's what I'll say. Welcome back, Kanye.
Absolutely. And then my other who's back is, so obviously right now we're recording this in the middle of the hurricane that's hitting Louisiana.
We have friends in Louisiana. We love Louisiana.
So we're hoping everything's okay. But the who's back that's related to that is fans of rival teams taking it one step further.
We always joke about fans who throw out the like, hey, as a Jets fan, like I hope Saquon Barkley gets better. People are actually doing this for the hurricane.
So the Saints tweeted out, like, praying for the Gulf Coast and the region as Hurricane Ida makes landfall, which makes sense. There are people in the replies who are like, Falcons fan here, praying for the best possible outcome.
I just, I'm blown away with the fact that a Falcons fan can actually pray that people don't die, even though they do have a rivalry. Yeah.
Like Falcons fan here. I'm just scrolling through it.
Falcons fan here. It's just Bucs fan praying for you guys.
We have been there. Like this is Broncos fan here.
Please take care of the animals over there. Stay safe.
Giants fan here. Please stay safe.
Why are people announcing their fandom when it's not a game? Not a game. Literal lives are, like, at risk right now.
Not a game. This isn't...
We're not talking about an injury in a game. We're talking about a hurricane that's going to devastate people's homes.
And they're like just a hands up just so you know broncos fan coming in peace yeah hope no one dies that's what that's what i like the best i want to see what's going on in like the lsu reddit pages where it's like hey auburn fan coming in peace here just want to say hope nobody dies yeah right if you could give me some up votes i would appreciate it what else do i have to say i hate you guys on the football field, but I hope your house doesn't get flooded and you can't afford to fix it. Just want to say...
Like, what? Even though I might pull for the Gators, I want to say that I hope your grandparents can still breathe. It's fucking insane.
Yeah, it's triple sportsmanship. Unbelievable sportsmanship.
And I sort of shake these people and be like, what are you talking about right now? Yeah. You don't have to announce who you root for when you're rooting for humanity.
Although I do think that every time they write an article in the paper about somebody who's arrested for a heinous crime, they should preface it with what team that person roots for the most. Yes.
So it's like Pittsburgh Pirates fan arrested for human trafficking. Yes, absolutely.

All right, Jake.

My who's back is murder hornets.

So these things first popped up in early 2020,

and we kind of forgot about them because of COVID.

You forgot about them.

Yeah, you've been on high alert.

I've remained vigilant.

All right, well, unfortunately, they're back.

The first nest was eradicated in Washington, so that's good news. But I'm sure Billy is on the lookout for more.
Have they done any murders? I don't think so. No, they're pussies.
Yeah, they're just the hornets. They're pussies.
I like the one single hornet thing just cracks me up every time. Well, it's true.
One single murder hornet can take out an entire hive of honeybees. So it's bad news if you're a honeybee in the greater Seattle area.
But besides that, the chances of you being killed by a murder hornet are actually less than the chances of you being struck by lightning when you're going outside to look for murder hornets. Yeah, I actually have the reason why they're called murder hornets.
They're actually Asian giant hornets. They got the nickname murder hornets because they enter a, quote, slaughter phase where they kill bees by decapitating them.

It's metal as fuck.

So that's not us.

They don't murder us.

No, when we were talking about it last year, they kill like 50 to 100 people a year in Asia.

They have numbers up there.

But Billy, that's people who are allergic to bees.

No, no, but if they were to have a widespread...

They're not decapitating humans. No, they're staying them.
Yeah, but bees kill people too. That would be like me saying, hey, this Jiffy over here, it's murder peanut butter.
That's the same thing. It kills people.
I think it also has... Is it Jiff? Is it Jiff? It's Jiffy.
Oh, it's Jiffy. Yeah, yeah.
But that's like that would be the same thing. Like, oh, this shrimp cocktail, it's murder shrimp cocktail.
Because it kills 20 people a year. But they actively seek out to stink.
To who? People? I think it also kills people who aren't allergic. I think it's like their venom is bad.
I think you could probably die if you got stung enough. But you'd have to be a real idiot.
If a swarm of murder hornets started to follow me, I would simply walk away from the bees. I'd simply grab a hose and nuke them.
You know what I would do? It's very easy. You just lift your shirt up over your head, and then you walk away.
That's it. Foolproof.
I'd punch them in the face. Well, it's each their own.
Yeah. You know what? I'd jump into a lake.
That actually doesn't work. Why not? Like they wait for you above the water? No, they don't.
Yeah, they do. No, they don't.
They try. They don't have memories.
They do. No, they don't.
They're relentless. Billy, you don't know.
That's actually true. They myth busted it.
I'm pretty sure the bees waiting for people above the water i'm pretty sure they just did a study that came out if you go into a lake the bees are still gonna be seebs i you could be right billy but the your ability to like be super confident and then just add a i'm pretty sure at end, is always amazing. Alright, Billy, who's your who's back? My who's back is the natural order of things.
Unfortunately, as we see, Trevor Lawrence will be the starter on the Jaguars, and unfortunately Sam Ellinger is out with a tweaked ACL, sprained ACL, so he will not be starting. The Sam Ellinger beating out Trevor Lawrence prediction has not come true.
For now. You had your week, though.
That was a great week. Did you see his spin move out of the sack to the wheel route up the sideline this weekend? That was amazing.
Well, I mean, so far, what we've seen on tape, I think Billy was right. I don't think that you can make an argument that Billy was wrong in his assessment based on what we've seen at the NFL level so far.
Exactly. Yeah, and Billy, you should not feel down about yourself because when you make a take like that, that is so out there, the fact that you even have a percent to stand on right now is incredible.
That week was incredible for you. It was awesome.
Like, the highlights were amazing. Lighting up.
So, you deserve credit for that. All right, let's get to our interview.
We got Kirk Herbstreet coming up. Awesome interview.
Talk college football, his new book, some life stuff, Lee Corso. It is all brought to you by our friends at Chevy.
Chevy's the greatest truck ever created, the Silverado. It is literally the greatest truck ever created.
I drove one. I love it.
If you're thinking about becoming a truck person, the Chevy Silverado is there for you because the Chevy Silverado, it is the strongest, most advanced Silverado ever. It's dependable like the people who drive them.
The design is big, bold, and commanding. This truck turns head.
It's a partner with grit and determination and anything is possible with Silverado in a partner like that. So tailgating, hauling, towing, maybe going to a game this year, having the guy with the truck at a tailgate is the best absolute best uh moving day helping out friends road trips it's all there with chevy silverado chevy silverado is the greatest truck that's ever been created if you're thinking about it you got to become a truck person the strongest most advanced silverado ever and use code pmt or take when you buy your chevy silverado they'll give you a hundred dollars off.
Thank you to Chevy. Our wonderful sponsor, Chevy Silverado is the best truck ever created.
Okay. Here he is Kirk Herbstreet.
Okay. We now welcome on recurring guest Kirk Herbstreet.
College football is back. Also, he's got a new book.
It's called out of the pocket football fatherhood and college Game Day Saturdays. So I have some questions about the book, but I wanted to talk about football first.
So college football is back. Walk me through the levels of excitement and what goes through your mind when we get closer and closer and then eventually get to that point of, okay, it's college game day.
We're here. We've made it through the summer.
Are you like at the end of August, like, you know, just jumping, like ready to go? I don't know how you guys feel. I don't know if I've ever looked forward to a season more than right now.
Like I am watching the college world series and watching some of those baseball crowds and the beer flying and water flying on home runs. I mean, I was thinking that was college baseball.
I was like, I can't even imagine what college football is going to be like on these campuses. So I'm fired up.
It was dreadful to call games in empty stadiums and not have the normal, like going to Madison and seeing tailgating and just feeling that energy leading up to a game and doing the game. As you guys know, I mean, the NFL is great, but the college game just offers a whole different level of energy.
And to not have it a year ago makes me, I think, that much more amped up for it this year. It's absolutely true.
College football and basketball, you need the fans. Because, you know, a lot of people who are not college football fans would be like why do you watch there's only three teams that can win it every year well i watch partially and i and i'm a fan partially because of the game day experience and everything that goes into a tradition all those things so not having like the bands was terrible man first of all anybody who says why do you watch it because there's three teams that can win it i i don't know i i don't really watch football because it's all about a championship like i watch it because i like to watch a good game you know you know i like whether you're betting on it or you're just watching it um i don't i don't think it matters you know theseason sucks.
I mean, we have to fix it. It's got to get better.
The best regular season, the worst postseason right now in sports. So that has to be fixed.
But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy when teams get together, like you said, whether it's tradition or it's a rivalry or it's a hyped up crowd, you know, like you go to Iowa City, for example, or you go to anywhere, Anywhere where it's a full stadium and people, they're lunatics, that are just passionate about their team, and a good team goes on the road into that environment, it's fun to watch. It's just competition.
If you don't enjoy competition, then you probably won't like college football. Yeah, if you watch Iowa and Iowa State play week two, and you're like, well, this doesn't matter because neither of these teams is Alabama you got a big dump in your pants like sports probably isn't your thing to begin with if that's what you're going to hold it up over and when it comes to like having the fans and the passion in the crowds when you were broadcasting could you did you hear the like overdubbed uh like fan fan noise that they would put? Was that coming through your headset? Did they pipe that in through the speakers in the stadium? Yeah.
I mean, I think when I did the NFL game with the Giants and the Steelers, it met life. I think it was into the into the stadium.
You could feel that a lot of the college. I did a handful of college games where there was just nothing.
I'm telling you, it was the most bizarre thing to just have no reaction. You know, like we did a Michigan, might have been Michigan, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin.
I can't remember who it was. And it was family that was the only ones allowed, moms and dads.
And it was, I don't know, a couple hundred people in the stands. And there was no there was no crowd noise dubbed in.
So the games where you heard crowd noise and at least the college games, it was it was just as far as my experience. It was what was in the stadium.
So, you know, I did a Georgia game and it was 20 percent full. And the noise was amplified because you're used to a dead stadium and it was 20,000 people in there and it was really, really loud.
That was actual fans. But yeah, I think the NFL is the only ones that work their NFL, you know, another level of technology.
They work their crowds into the broadcast itself. Yeah, the Falcons have been doing that for years.
They've just been pumping that in. They've got experience with that.
I'm glad you brought up the NFL thing, though.

Are you going to do another game this year?

I think we are.

You know, within going to week 17, remember ESPN used to have that doubleheader at the

beginning of the year.

That was the game we called last year with the Steelers and Giants.

This year, week 17, I think they're going to push us to the end of the year.

So it'll be the last week of the regular season games.

I think we're going to do a game that week. And then, you know, where it'll go from there, I'm not real sure.
All right, so conference realignment. I know that you have no say.
I know that you may not even know what exactly is going to go on. But in times of trouble, we always look to someone else to tell us it's going to be okay.
So tell me it's going to be okay because I'm a realist. In terms of the Big Ten, if Ohio State wants to do something, they can do it.
They are the Big Ten at this point in terms of the national, like, you know, sitting at that table with the big dogs. So tell me it's going to be okay.
Tell me Ohio State is happy and they're not going to rock the boat and everything's going to be fine. I don't think Ohio State or Michigan would ever pull themselves out of the Big Ten.
I think what you're going to have, my guess, would be what we'll have is these four super conferences. I wouldn't be shocked to see us get to these four 16-team conferences.
I don't know what's going to happen and what's left of the Big 12. I don't know if some of them joined the big 10, some joined the pack 12, but I can, I can see three years from now, they're being a pack 16.
You know, the sec has 16, the big 10 has 16, the ACC has 16 and they pull away from the NCAA.

They create their own governing body, their own land, their own world.

What I think is essential is I don't know how you guys feel,

but Roger Goodell, you guys love him, you hate him.

I know you guys hate him.

But think about this.

At least you have one voice as the commissioner of the NFL.

Roger Goodell is not the commissioner of the NFC South or the commissioner of the AFC West. Roger Goodell is the commissioner of the NFL.
College football, we have Greg Sankey who's worried about his own backyard, right? He's worried about Texas and Oklahoma coming into his yard, his constituents, his coaches, his presidents, his ADs, his fans, his players. The guy out in the Pac-12, he's worried about his little world.
Kevin Warren's worried about the Big Ten. We've got to find a commissioner of college football, one voice.
All these other conference commissioners report to him. He makes a unilateral decision for what's best for the game to move forward.
We cannot continue to have people who don't trust each

other, who are looking over their shoulder. This guy wronged me.
What are we going to do about this? And only worry about their little world. We have to, we have to find a voice that worries about the whole sport.
So are you going to do that job? Because I'm, I'm, I agree with you. I think the problem right now is we went through the big conference realignment, whatever it was a decade ago.
I can't remember, but

it's more just like feeling

like there's a never-ending

feeling. is we went through the big conference realignment, whatever it was a decade ago.
I can't remember. But it's more just like feeling like there's a never-ending feeling to it where it's like this now is happening, so there's going to be dominoes, and then in 10 years from now it could happen again.
So I'm with you. I want to have like, hey, here's the plan.
Here's what it is. This is set.
We're not going to be changing it every 10 years and being worried about some team leaving our league or you know a super league being created just give me the the the knowledge that like we're okay going forward so I think you should do the job I think you just created a job for yourself I'm I'm voting for you well big cat we need closure is what you're saying yeah we We need to be done with this. It's ridiculous.
You know, when schools like Nebraska left their region, West Virginia left, going further back, remember when Virginia Tech and Miami used to be in the Big East? And, you know, once that started to crack, everything started to get kind of wacky. And so I'm with you.
We need to get through this whatever wherever we're going i have no idea where we're headed but wherever we're headed hopefully within a couple two to three years it's done right and then i i wouldn't be shocked you imagine them pulling out of the ncaa it feels like that right i mean it just feels like they're gonna go do their own thing the ncaa is kind of a fake. It's just like people that have managed to seize power for a certain amount of time and everybody else agrees, yeah, we'll operate under the NCAA's guidelines if it means that we can keep making money and playing sports against each other.
But in reality, there's no real loyalty there. Yeah, and I also think it's just archaic, right? I think the rule book that they have and when those rules were written, of them don't apply to what's happening in 2021 so either blow the ncaa up and start over or you or you pull out like like like what cornell or colgate are doing shouldn't apply to what alabama and wisconsin and ohio state are doing it's just a very different model today versus where sports were decades and decades ago.
It should honestly just be football. Football should just pull out.
The NCAA can stay for all the other sports because that's really what it boils down to is you're treating football like every other sport. It's not even comparable.
I love college basketball. I eat up college basketball.
They're not comparable in terms of money makers so football is is driving everything here that's why you see the realignment so just separate football from everything else it's not the same and they shouldn't be true you know i'm i'm like you guys like college basketball for me man i used to be able to watch a big monday like i used to be able to i'm a little older than you guys but when like georgetown used touse or Kansas used to play Oklahoma those were games that it didn't matter about March Madness or it was just it was a great scene it was a great atmosphere it was just a great game like we were talking about earlier with football and I'm not saying those games still don't exist but man I used to know players that played all over the country. I knew their names.
I could

tell you their strengths and weaknesses just by being a fan. I don't know anybody hardly anymore in college basketball.
They're not there long enough. They're there for like a semester and they're gone.
And so I think that sport has really been struggling lately. And to your point, college football generates, I think, 85% of the revenue compared to 15% for college basketball, which is just mind boggling to think.
Yeah. So give me some names.
Who do you think would make a good college football commissioner? Because I think like Oliver Luck would probably make a pretty good one, right? Yeah. I mean, the name that jumps out to me initially is, there are two guys.
Greg Sankey is the most powerful man right now and probably did the best job. He's the commissioner of the SEC, probably did the best job of leadership through the global pandemic.
He would be the first name that would probably surface that would be a likely candidate. The next would be Jim Delaney, who was at the Big Ten and retired, you know, just to see about his health and how he's feeling and what he's interested in doing.
But he's a very powerful, assertive personality and a guy that at the very least should be a consultant that you'd want to talk to. And then an outlier to me would be Gene Smith, the athletic director at Ohio State, who has been around and done a lot of things.
He went to Notre Dame. He's been all over the country in different leadership roles.
He would definitely be a name that I think would pop up. So what does Notre Dame do? Notre Dame should honestly just be the only team that stays in the NCAA.
Then they get to claim NCAA championships moving forward. You guys aren't big Notre Dame guys, huh? Not so much.
I like making fun of Notre Dame. Notre Dame's great when they're...
Both the cathedral and the team. Yeah, especially the cathedral.
But when they're relevant enough to be disappointing, that's the exact same spot. That's when you love them.
That's when it's the best. Yeah, I'm in the camp of Notre Dame.
It's always better when they're in the conversation. I love traditional powerhouse being in the conversation.
I don't want them to win it all because it is fun watching the disappointment. But I do want them to be good.
I'll say this though because I'm like you guys. Sometimes I get annoyed because Notre Dame seems to get the advantage or gets a lot of hype and when they don't necessarily deserve it.
But Brian Kelly in the last couple years, it doesn't feel just a little different. Like when Notre Dame takes the field right now, it started for me when they went to Athens.
Like I would say it was three years ago. And I'm thinking, OK, Notre Dame, now we're going to see what's up.
And they battled their asses off on the road at Georgia against a good Georgia team it looked athletic. I mean, they looked really good in that game.
And that's what it just felt like. Hmm.
Cause I did the Miami Notre Dame game about four years ago and it was a bloodbath. I mean, they got blown out down at Miami, but the last two or three years, I don't know.
I just feel like he's recruiting at a different level. And I they're just they found their niche on how to recruit we don't need to try to be Alabama or Ohio State we're going to recruit tight ends we're going to recruit like like Wisconsin we're going to get good linemen we're going to get good running backs and a smart quarterback and we can win by doing that I don't know I'm I'm kind of high on Notre Dame these last couple years yeah they fantastic.
The problem that Notre Dame runs into, and it's not really fair to Brian Kelly because we think of him as like, oh, we haven't been able to get over the top. Notre Dame is compared to Alabama, Ohio State, and Clemson, and those three teams are on a completely different stratosphere.
Notre Dame's been fantastic. They've had great seasons.
They've had great football teams. They just are missing those one.

I actually think that Notre Dame just missing that one,

like super dynamic five-star quarterback.

If they can recruit that guy and like a Trevor Lawrence or a Tua,

that will take them over the top because the rest of the roster is kind of

there.

That's fair.

That's fair.

I thought Ian Book was solid.

I mean, he was, he was, he made the most out of what he had had. He was kind of a winner, kind of a gym rat type of kid.
But what you're talking about is another level. You're talking about a guy that could be the first pick over on the draft.
Right. I mean, that's an elite guy.
And you're right. They've not had that for a long time.
Speaking of roster construction, Texas and Oklahoma, obviously we just talked about realignment, going to the SEC. How long do you think it will take them to get up to par with the rest of the SEC in terms of line play? Because that's always, to me, the big difference when you make that jump to the SEC where they got eight guys who can all run crazy 40s and are 300 pounds and get after the quarterback and all that stuff.
So how long do you think it's going to take for them to get to that level roster wise? Number one, I totally agree. I think defensive line plays is the difference in the elite SEC teams and the consistency of those teams.
I think Oklahoma's made strides. You know, I think Oklahoma with Lincoln Riley, they're always going to recruit offense.
They're always going to be able to score. And I don't think that'll change by going into the SEC.
They're going to have to go to a different level as far as that defensive line and being able to get instead of one or two, you're going to have to find five or six guys that are difference makers. I think they'll, I'd be surprised if they don't hit the ground running.
That's an impressive brand to me. And they got great leadership.
Texas is a wild card, man. I mean, they are kind of the Dallas Cowboys of college football with the Dallas Cowboys.
I don't know. You guys tell me, you guys know this world better than me.
If the, if all the NFL teams were for sale, are the Cowboys the most expensive? Yeah. Yeah.
Probably. When was the last, when was the last time they mattered on the yeah probably yeah when was the last what's the last time they mattered on the field like when was the last time i mean you guys i don't even know if you were born the last time they matter it's it's probably back to the mid-90s it's been a long long time since troy aikman emmich smith and mike warren and yet they are still the dallas cowboys texas feels the same way to me.
Texas has not really been Texas since Mack Brown maybe back in 2009

when they were in the national championship.

They've had some decent teams since then,

but it's a pretty good run between when they were relevant to now,

and yet their brand is still as big a deal as it's ever been.

And now you have Sark that gets thrown into it.

Sark left Nick Saban,

and he's one of the hottest play callers in the country. And he's going to take that Nick Saban blueprint, along with a little bit of Pete Carroll mixed into it, and take it into Austin.
We can predict, we can throw it against the wall, what we think he's going to do. I think he's going to do well, but no one's been able to win in Texas like for a long time.
So I think it'll take them obviously a much longer time, but I got confidence in Sark that he's going to be able to get them going. I just don't know how long that will take.
Are they up and running by the time they go into the SEC? Are they going to have to try to grow once they get into that conference?

That's what I think is going to be the key because, yeah,

like Charlie Strong, Tom Herman, they both seemed like great hires at the time,

both those guys.

They both had proven track records not only of being a great college coach

but also the recruiting aspect that goes into it.

And then for whatever reason, maybe it's the power struggles behind the scenes in Austin that they weren't fully able to master all that

you know some of the off the field stuff it wasn't able to work out so I'm with you I feel

like if Sark doesn't get it going before they get into the SEC they're not going to be able to like

immediately capitalize on on pulling some of those great recruits out just by being like hey we're

Texas we're in the SEC come play for us I talked to a guy one time in Texas and he said you know

I'm not going to be a good one. on pulling some of those great recruits out just by being like, hey, we're Texas, we're in the SEC, come play for us.

I talked to a guy one time in Texas, and he said,

you know how Jerry Jones is the owner of the Cowboys?

He said the Texas Longhorns have like nine Jerry Jones.

And when you're winning, it's probably not a better place to be a winning head coach than to deal with the underbelly of Texas. But when you start to lose, it can get ugly and it can get ugly in a hurry.
And those people that were inviting you to those cocktail parties are now talking behind your back. And so there's a lot of potential toxic relationships that can go on if everything, you're not checking every box.
Sark knew that before he went. He talked with them when he went into his interview and he addressed all of those things.
So I don't know how you handle that. I don't know how you can control that.
But that's what's pretty much eaten the head coach alive. I mean, I remember Red McCombs when Charlie Strong got done with his opening press conference said, yeah, I don't think we made a good call here.
It's like he hadn't even recruited one player. Yeah.
Red McCombs says like Charlie strong, you know what? I thought he would be a great coordinator. Yeah.
Right. Right.
Tom Herman was supposed to be the perfect hire. That was the guy, the story and everything.
Yeah. I know.
I mean, he was, he was the, if he wasn't going to texas he was going to usc i mean he was he was the hottest name there was and you could see what that what it did to him so it's not as easy as i mean you would think like you guys been to austin i mean you see their facilities yeah you see that campus you see that city it's like the best city one of the best in america most beautiful facilities the high school football see that campus. You see that city.
It's like the best city, one of the best in America. Most beautiful facilities.
The high school football in that state. Legendary.
I mean, it's all it's all like you would think an autopilot. And yet you get down there and you're just wondering, like, OK, how come Matt Brown wasn't able to keep it going? And how come Charlie Strong, who was like the man at Louisville and did great things, he had no chance.

And Tom Herman, who was this the man at Louisville and did great things, he had no chance.

And Tom Herman, who was this can't miss, hot shot, young, up and coming head coach, he had no chance either. So there must be more to it than just recruiting and the city and the facilities.
So hopefully Sark can get it going. I mean, just to add to the point, you can learn everything about the politics of coaching

at Texas when Shaka Smart, basketball.

Right. Hopefully Sartre can get it going.
I mean, just to add to the point, you can learn everything about the politics of coaching at Texas when Shaka Smart basketball was a slam dunk hire and he just left for Marquette, which is deemed as a downgrade. But it's like he couldn't juggle all the things that go into being a head coach at Texas.
One thing I'll add to this, just as like a little bit of a caveat, they're not as passionate about sports. I don't know if they have other – you know how Michigan, they have great fans, but like compared to Madison or State College or Columbus or Iowa, it's almost like, eh, you know, we went to the game, but, you know, we're running companies and we're doing other things.
We got other things going on besides football. Our, our lives, you know, are bigger than if we went on a Saturday.
Well in Columbus and Madison and state college, their lives that next week are predicated upon what happened last Saturday in Michigan. They got more things going on.
It seems like that's what Texas feels like when you go to Austin, like they'll show up. And if the team team's winning it's a fun thing to do they'll go to the game but like you go to a&m holy cow yeah texas a&m it's it's a religion right the only thing yeah yeah and so i don't know i don't know if the passion and and the support is is in austin the way it is in some of these other places i i think it is but it would need to get back get back to a level towards the end of the Mack Brown era, or I guess right before he started to tail off, like late 2000s.
I was living in Austin for, I think, nine years, and when the team was good, it was very much a Longhorn town. I totally agree.
It would shut down, but the second they start getting to that 500 level, you're right. There's a million other things to do in that town yeah and you totally lose the focus on it and that's your point yeah you're not saying there's not a chance you know Vince Young and you got Colt McCoy you're ranked third in the country or first in the country and there's big plays and big action and it's a fun thing to do yeah absolutely what I'm talking about is when it's not that yes you know like like you you gotta you got to, you know, Texas A&M, they got Johnny Manziel.
Yeah, it's off the charts. But when Johnny Manziel leaves, they're coming back that next year ready to roll.
You know what I mean? Like there's no there's no there's no dips at College Station and in Austin. You got to you got to sell them on, hey, we're a top 10 team.
And then they're going to then they're going to come and be crazy. crazy.
But you wish it would be more of a proactive kind of crowd. Going to get back to Kirk Herbstreet in a second.
But before we do, I want to talk to you guys about our great friends over at 3Chi. We love 3Chi.
I've got 3Chi in my apartment right now. I love taking a little 3Chi, put a little bit of the oil under the tongue before you fall asleep, knocks you right out.
3Q is the industry leader in Delta 8 THC products formulated by a biochemist. It's made right here in the USA with USA grown hemp.
3Q's Delta 8 is a federally legal version of THC. It's a more functional alternative to marijuana.
So you get an amazing buzz. You get a great body feel, but you get a clear head, less anxiety, less paranoia.
You can find it online at 3chi.com. That's the number 3chi.com and at select retailers around the country.
You have to be 21 to purchase. Remember, it's not CBD.
It's psychoactive. It will give you a buzz.
Please use it responsibly. When it comes to the gummies, I recommend starting out with a half a gummy, maybe a quarter gummy until you see how it hits you.

Some people it'll hit a little bit harder.

Some people you'll be able to take a full one.

But again, it is psychoactive.

So you want to start slow, build up, see what feels good for you.

It's great, great stuff though.

Love 3Chi.

Love their vapes, their gummies, their tinctures.

Love the oils.

You can make homemade edibles.

Made some 3Chi peanut butter the other day. It's very tasty.
Tastes delicious. Lasts for a long time.
You'll love it. Use promo code PARDIN at checkout.
Get 5% off your order. 3C.com.
Use promo code PARDIN at checkout. 5% off your order.
Now here's more. Kirk Herbstreet.
All right. So NIL, I know you've talked about it ad nauseum.
We all kind of, I think all agree, it's great that kids are getting paid. I want to ask you a question maybe you haven't been asked.
Kirk Herbstreet, 20-year-old at Columbus, Ohio, what is your first NIL deal that you sign? So whether it be a restaurant or a car dealership, and I'm talking back then, not now, but back what was the place that you would have been like i want to i want to get 200 bucks to and there's no twitter there's no instagram maybe do a commercial yeah man i i came from very little money so i i was driving a 1978 toyota celica when i when i went to school there and when i finished school there so i would have been as you know by the senior year starting and Captain of the King, I would have been looking for a car deal. Like I would have been trying to get, I mean, why not shoot for the moon, right? But other than that, I would have been looking for any kind of commercial that I could have done.
If I would have gotten $200 back in 1992, I would have been out of my mind, fired up about $200. So yeah, I, I, but I don't know, other than a car, probably a good pizza.
I love pizza. So I'd be, I'd be looking for some free pizza.
If I had free pizza in a car, you'd never hear a word from me. That is like a college kid's dream.
Yeah. Hey, I'm Herbie.
Welcome to my dispensary. That would be a good one, too.
That might be a more modern day one. Now that things are loosened up a little bit.
So I was reading a little bit of the book. It's called Out of the Pocket.
You should check it out. Kurt Curb Street with Gene Wojciechowski.
Well, I'll be honest. I read the back of the book.
And then I opened it up at random and I read one of the pages. But I saw a name on there that I want to talk to you about a little bit.
Lee Corso, your good friend. You two have been inseparable for the last.
It feels like forever that you guys have been on TV together. And one thing that I thought Lee always did a great job.
And I don't know if we'd be talking to Kirk Herbstreet right now if it wasn't for Lee Corso, because when they brought you on ESPN, you were the very serious guy. You had, you know, for lack of a better description, like you took yourself seriously as like a football guy.
Like you were going to break down film, and nobody really knew the personal side of you. We just knew you as, oh, this is Captain America from Ohio State.
And then you'd get teamed up with Lee Corso, and he kind of like pokes a little hole in that, like by making little jabs here and there are joking around with you. And he actually got America to see your personality.
Whereas before your personality was just football. And I'm, I'm curious if you remember when you first sat down with Lee, the second you kind of felt comfortable around him and he knew that you could kind of, you were going to be able to show more of your own personality because of what he brought out of you.
And that's a great observation and it's, and it's dead on. I didn't look at myself.
I didn't take myself every ever too seriously, but it was more of, I thought I was hired to be an analyst. You got to go back.
This is 1996 and there weren't a lot of studio shows on TV. And they hired me, I thought, to break down film and be a football analyst.
And I remember one game we had to get ready for a bowl show, and we only had like an hour and a half to get ready. We were going to do like 35 bowl games.
And me and I had Felica digging in, and I'm going over every game, and I'm going over all these notes, and I'm like out of breath, like here we go, here we go. And we do Michigan and Arkansas, and I talk about it in the book.
And I go into maybe a minute long on Michigan, and the offensive coordinator, they're going to do this. And Arkansas plays four down linemen.
They're going to play inverted safeties to try to stop the running game. Michigan, all this football stuff.
And Lee looks at me when I get done. He's like, are you done? And I go, yeah, yeah.
And he goes to me, this is Michigan and Arkansas. It's pickup trucks against the Cadillacs.
I'm going with the pickup trucks. Perfect.
And I'm like, damn, are you serious? But it was moments like that that happened. It It wasn't like one thing.
It would just happen year after year, week after week.

He would just kind of smack me without smacking me live on TV. And I would just be like, I think it's just over time, just like, OK, I get this.
You know, like I can have some fun. I can have a little bit of personality, not be him.
can never be him. Like you guys are in this world of entertainment.
I mean, you guys get, you can't be each other.

You're just gotta be you. But all of a sudden I realized I was allowed to have fun and, and, and, and be a, if I had a thought that might be against the norm, it's okay to say it.
And so I think it just happened naturally over time, but you're right. I wouldn't be here.
I wouldn't have had the career that I had if I didn't sit next to Lee Corso. It's like if somebody like Kenny Smith, if you talk to Kenny, Kenny, I bet when they talked to him, when he first became an analyst, he got done in the NBA, he thought they were hiring him to be an analyst because he's kind of a serious XL guy.
Then they sat him next to Charles and it's like Charles is saying stuff that's just off the wall, right? And you got to react to it.

And so Kenny all of a sudden started to kind of have some fun and be a different guy. And I think he and I, I've never met Kenny Smith, but when I watch him, I can really relate to what his role is and how he goes through it.
And thank God for Kenny. And for me, we got a chance to sit next to some of the greatest entertainers in sports television history.
So a day doesn't go by that I'm not grateful for that. Because yeah, I'd still be sitting there breaking down football and being boring, which to me is not is not the way to go.
If you want a long career in this. I think that's fine.
But it's also great to see somebody reacting in real time to somebody like Lee Corso or Charles Barkley, and you get to relate to that person as they're kind of going through the same emotions that you would be going to, watching Lee Corso say something like Cadillac versus pickup trucks, and you get to show off a little bit. So yeah, I think it's been a great combination seeing you guys over the years.
Yes, absolutely. I appreciate it, man.
You know, when I first started, I was terrified. I was, you know, if you look around the room at ESPN, this is way back in the 90s, everybody, even on TV today, everyone won Heisman's, they won Super Bowls.
They're known for their playing days. Look at Troy Aikman, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth.
I mean you could name name all the players that are on there no one knew I mean Big Cat maybe knew me coming out of the Big Ten but like people other than the Big Ten region they didn't know who I was and even in the people in the Big Ten I was a solid player I wasn't a superstar and usually you have to be a superstar to get a role on a desk I'm kind of an I was a solid player. If you read the book, I got a crazy story on where I started in the program and kind of my road through it and how I finished.
But that's not the recipe typically that lands you on TV. And instead of being embarrassed about that, man, I just hit it.
I hit it directly in the middle and just decided to be a grinder. You know, like I'm just going to be a guy that when they might not know my name, they might not know who I, what I'm doing, but they're going to appreciate at least my knowledge of the sport and how much I love the sport.
And that's literally when I look in the mirror today, after 26 years, that's still kind of how I envision myself as a guy that's trying to make it or a guy that's trying to prove that he deserves a chance to be on the show because I didn't win a Heisman. You know, I wasn't an All-American and I'm just like a, just a dude that played the game.
People should go and look up your highlight tapes because it also is a great time capsule for what college football used to look like. Cause I think I watched it, I don't know, a few years ago but the I don't think you throw the ball until like the seventh or eighth highlight and you're the quarterback because you're running the option and you're running all over everyone that's what it was like it was great it was great to like go back and be like oh this is kind of fun it's different that that in shoulder pads yes when you see my era uh we wore big shoulder pads and those girdle pads that would stick out real high and big thigh pads.

It's just such a different era.

It's so crazy to think if you tried to explain to someone Nebraska in the 90s and they had Heisman quarterbacks and won national championships and the guys didn't really throw. They didn't have to throw that much but they were incredible athletes and dynamic players absolutely just a throwback so i i had a question about the book um obviously you talk a lot about your relationship with your father and uh your parents going through divorce kind of affecting you as a young child i had a question about your job as a father and your like juggling of a job that takes you away on a lot of weekends and it's actually i'm kind of asking for myself because i have two young children but like there's a lot of people who listen to this show who are parents and how you were able to juggle those two things where it's like i think everyone gets to a point where they're like hey I want to be around for my kids, but also there's an importance to your profession and your job and your career that you take seriously as well.
Yeah. I didn't realize you had two young kids and as your career grows and more and more opportunities are presented to you, the more you'll have to make some tough decisions on, on being at home and being with them because you're going to find as they get older and they're going to want to play and they're going to do stuff, it's going to get tougher and tougher for you to pull yourself out of that environment.
For me, I was very fortunate to be able to work for four months out of the year. And so for eight months out of the year, I was like Mr.
Mom. I mean, I'm, I'm home nonstop seven days a week.
And I took full advantage of being home. Like I was very involved as their dad.
In the book, I talk about my dad. And once my parents divorced, my world was turned upside down.
I went to like eight schools in nine years. And my dad was in and out of my life.
And I didn't have anger. I don't know if your parents are still together or not, but in my case, I didn't have anger or resentment.
A lot of kids go through that. I had more of like an emptiness.
Like I wish I wanted more of my dad. I wish he was around.
I wish he would listen when I talked with him. And so what I found was I wanted to try to fill the gaps when I had kids.
And so, man, I'm just present. You know, I try my best.
I'm by far not this perfect dad, but I know one thing for sure is I've been involved in their lives. Like I, I'm not, my wife doesn't need to tell me, hey, don't forget, you know, Jake has a test on Thursday or, hey, don't forget to take them over to practice.
Like I already know all that stuff because I'm, I'm living in the front row of their lives. And I wanted to be able to do that.
So when I had to leave, I didn't have like, man, I wish I would have done more with them kind of feel. I took advantage of the time that I had while I was home.
And it made me feel OK that when I left, I left and I did my work and I grinded. And then when I came back, they were always the priority.
As long as I always, in my own mind, made my kids the priority and I still had time to do my work, then like they'd go to bed and then I would crank, you know, for four or five hours or they'd go to school and I'd crank, you know, but if they were home, I never wanted them to feel like there's dad again doing work. I just didn't want to be that way.
And so that's, I guess that would be the advice that I have is when you're, when you're, when you're there, be present and just make them the priority. And then you'll have, you'll have no resentment.
Just remember this, man, the days are long and the years are fast. And that's so true when you have a young kids.
Yeah. I saw a quote two that summed up my life.
My kids are two and it's so true when you have uh young kids yeah i i saw a quote too that summed up my life that my my kids are two two and uh three months but it's my favorite my two favorite times in life are being with my kids and being without my kids and it's so true because it's like like on a saturday i'm like wow there's a lot and then the minute they go to sleep i'm like i kind of want to wake them up and play with it you know i'm like dude you're you're at two in three months yeah okay and you travel a lot for your job yeah yeah we'll do it we'll do another one of these in five years okay i promise you you're gonna be like yeah i've been doing more and more on virtual lately yeah yeah you know yes definitely no i already feel the pull i know and it's yeah it, though, what you've been able to do, because I think it's like being a parent is very, very difficult. So being able to juggle both is credit to you.
It helps to have the private jet that ESPN pays for that you get to fly around. No, they don't pay.
They don't pay. They pay if game day is in one spot and the game I'm going to another spot.
Yeah. They'll do that.
But anything else is. That's that you constantly have to like remind people that you don't espn didn't actually buy you an airplane in your contract despite there's some other rumors that have been put out there in the past i've heard about i know man i know i'm like.
I'm like, I think when, not Sean, Dilfer, I think. And I was like, what are you talking about? If you don't ask for it, you're not going to get it.
I wish they flew me around privately. The only time they ever do that since I've been there is game days in Eugene, Oregon, and I'm calling a game in Austin.
They'll make sure I get from point A to point B, but getting to Eugene and getting home from Austin, that's on you. And those days are crazy.
Whenever you guys do it, it kind of blows my mind where you're like, Hey, I just saw him at game day in Ann Arbor. Now they're calling the three 30 kickoff in Miami.
What the hell's going on? Yeah, it's wild. I mean, it's it's a buddy of mine, Darren Brown.
He works at Wheels Up and he's an executive there. And so he understands that world.
But I mean, on those kind of weeks, it's game day. All right.
Get out. See you from Ann Arbor.
And it's like as soon as the camera goes off, immediately security like we go to a car, we get to a local FBO. I mean, 15, 20 minutes later, later you're in the air you're flying and then you land and you got a group there waiting and they just get you as fast as they can to uh to the stadium so you're not late luckily i haven't been late to a game yet but knock on wood been close a couple times has anybody suggested that you do uh i don't know like two games in a day after doing game day or like flying you out to Hawaii for the nightcap? Oh, I'd love that.
That would be a lot of fun. If Hawaii ever gets up in the top 25, I may have to do that.
Yes. All right.
So I had one last question. This has been great.
Everyone go get the book. It's called Out of the Pocket with Kirk Herbstreet.
It's football, fatherhood, and college game day Saturday. Some great stories in there.
My last question is give us a dark horse. Give us a dark horse team that could crash the party this year because there are the usual suspects that we all know, but give us the team that you maybe have seen in your research like, hey, if things go well here, we could be talking about them in the playoff.
All right. So if you're a group of five team, as we've learned, it's next to impossible to get up into the top four.
So how do you get into the top four? Remember UCF was trying to do it for years, going back to the BCS, Boise State, all those teams. I think Cincinnati made huge strides a year ago.
And the fact that they went to the Sugar Bowl and played a powerhouse like Georgia and really outplayed them, they just didn't, they got beat at the end in a close game. But if you looked, I think in the AP, there's seven.
What do you need to do when you're a group of five? You need non-conference games to show the committee that you can play with the big boys. They have two.
They play at Indiana, which is the top 15 opponent. Indiana's for real with Tom Allen, and at Notre Dame.
Cincinnati plays at Indiana and at Notre Dame. If by chance, with a veteran team, virtually everybody back from a year ago, they win those two games and they run the American cincinnati becomes the the wild card team that could kind of get up there into the into the top four and take one of the behemoths out um so that would be the one team that i think is like a a group of five that they can get up into the top four iowa state might be another one but you know they're in a power five yeah lu I mean, Luke Fickle's done an incredible job.
It's such bullshit that Ohio State has so many guys they could just be like, all right. Each team has their dream hire, and you see how it goes sometimes with Jim Harbaugh.
If Ryan Day decided tomorrow to go to the NFL, they'd just have Luke Fickle step into that role. Ohio guy through and through, and they wouldn't miss a beat.
It's not fair. Here's what's an interesting wild card to that.
I can't imagine Ryan Day leaving unless the Patriots job opens when Bill Belichick, he's a New Hampshire guy. There might be something there.
But if Jim Harbaugh were to ever just say, you know what, mutual agreement,

I'm going to go back to the NFL or whatever he's going to do,

and that job were to open up for whatever reason,

and Luke Fickle kept being the hot name,

Luke Fickle would have an interesting dilemma potentially.

Well, much like Bo Shebacher. Yeah, Bo Shebacher, yeah.

I mean, Bo was an Ohio State guy.

He went to Miami and never thought he'd go to Michigan,

and he turned Michigan into Michigan. Luke Fickle is – there's no more of an Ohio State guy than Luke Fickle.
If that job opens up though, man, whoa. That might be the only way that Michigan could get up to par with Ohio State.
That's my point. What better way for Michigan quit trying to figure this thing out.
Just go get one of theirs. Bring him in.
That's what they did with Bo in 1969. And it worked.
It wouldn't shock me. Now, I don't know if he would take it, but it wouldn't shock me if that job ever opened up, if he would be the guy they'd look to.
That would be awesome. I would love it.
People would hate it in Michigan until they started playing. And they'd be like, fuck, they started playing yeah but also be like a weird sneaky low-key win for ohio state being like the only way you can beat us is to get our guy to become us yes yeah all i know is man if you can make cincinnati relevant yeah top 10 program you you can coach football okay so yeah so hypothetically you got Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State.
They all lose a game. Cincinnati's undefeated.
They're in. They're going to be in.
They're in. I don't know who would be out.
It would depend on the scenario of what you just said. But Cincinnati goes undefeated with the schedule that they have.
There no way with all the noise that you know it's not fair and there's no way they'll keep cincinnati as a pre-season top seven and they play notre dame in south bend indiana i don't believe it and and they play indiana texas a&m will have like three losses and they'll be like well they're they're they're for. Like, no way you're saying it right now but there's no way right now I'm telling you if Cincinnati is undefeated they're going to be in the playoff I don't against the one loss SEC team one loss SEC no yeah I don't know all right SEC team SEC team will be in but I'm saying you're not going to put – so like if it's Alabama and it's Georgia and it's Oklahoma and it's Ohio State, there's no way Alabama and Georgia would go in over an undefeated Cincinnati.
Okay, I'll bet you a steak dinner on that. I'll bet you a steak dinner on that.
Oklahoma, Clemson, Ohio State, they all have one loss. Yeah, they're all going in.
Who are you taking out? Again, it would depend on who lost and when they lost. Right.
You know what I mean? It's hard to look at it. But the college, just those names and the size of those schools, I will believe it when I see it.
Yeah. Okay.
This is fun. This is good.
This is good. I like it.
But, hey, look at this. We're getting mad at each other.
Let's revisit this in December. Here's the bet.
And Bear has to come too. So Bear has to be there at the dinner.
But the bet is simple. It's that Cincinnati, an undefeated Cincinnati, will not go to the playoff over a one-loss Power 5 team.
So if there's a two-loss Power 5 team, it's null and void. But we's we're basically saying a one loss power five team will get in over cincinnati under you're saying that yeah and i'm and i'm you're you're saying a group of a power five one loss team will be in over a undefeated cincinnati yes okay that's a fair bet i feel great i do love this i love that we're already football.
This is what makes college football great. No, seriously, I do it all the time where I'll hop on Twitter and I'll just start arguing about the rankings, and people will be like, you're triggered.
I'm like, no, this is what I like to do. I like to go to like – it's basically going to a virtual bar and just arguing resumes with people.
It is so much fun. Now here's what we've got to remember.
We need Luke Fickle to beat Notre Dame. Yes.
Yes. It's a tall task.
It's a tall task. If that happens, that'll be by September, we'll basically know.
Then at that point, they're just trying to avoid being upset. Yeah.
Well, style points. But then it also gets into blind resume season where maybe at the end of the season, maybe Indiana is not as for real as we think that they are.
SMU's not playing well. That's fair.
They have to go two overtimes to beat them. That kind of stuff.
Temple keeps it close in the fourth quarter. Who knows? Oh, I love this.
Let's revisit this periodically throughout the season. Maybe Jack Cone's out for a week when they play Notre Dame.
Like all this stuff can add up, which I'm already excited about it. I do have one last question, just percentage-wise, looking in the crystal ball three years in the future.
Let's just say Brian Kelly's out at Notre Dame, and a phone rings down in Jacksonville, and Urban Meyer picks up the other end. And they're like, hey, Urban, we want you back in college football.
What percentage do you think he accepts that job? I would say, and I'm banking it on, if the NFL is not going the way he hoped, can we say? If it's going well, he's not going to take a call from anybody. So to make this relevant, it's just, it's just, it's not going great.
It's 500 ish. You know, I would say 60, 60 to 70%.
Okay. I tend to agree with that.
I feel like, I feel like urban Myers has just been circling Notre Dame for the last 20 years. He's getting closer.
I will tell you this. It's a little bit a little bit of a misconception that his dream job was Notre Dame.
I mean, he grew up in Ashtabula, Ohio. He grew up around Woody Hayes and Ohio State.
I think when Notre Dame was struggling, he was an assistant there years ago, and people assumed. And I think he might have made a comment about Notre Dame, how much he respects program but truthfully Ohio State was always his like I can retire now I coach Ohio State kind of job but I think there's something still draws him towards college football now he may hit a home run in the NFL and this all might be a moot point but if it doesn't go well in the NFL and that Notre Dame job ever opened up down the road, I can see him taking that call.
Yep. Hmm.
It would be fun. It's always fun to have urban Meyer in the mix.
College coaches. Like, like you just said, Luke fickle going to, to Ohio state or Michigan would be incredible.
Uh, Kirk, thank you so much. We appreciate it.
Love having you on. We will definitely have you on a couple, maybe after we see what happens with cincinnati and notre dame yeah oh you know we gotta we gotta do a show leading into that yeah yeah yeah you're right you're right we'll just plan out the menu yeah for the entire show what are you gonna order okay that sounds good yeah i want bear on that bear has to be involved yeah bear and i'll hop in on yes yes but uh appreciate your time and everyone uh go check out his book out of the pocket football fatherhood and college game day saturdays thanks so much kirk glad uh football's back yeah can't wait guys have a great year kirk herb street is brought to you by our friends over at better help we love better help life is full of stressors it doesn't matter who you are or have.
Your life is probably stressful. You might not be feeling down.
You might not be feeling totally depressed or like you're at a total loss. But if your stress is high, your temper is shorter than usual, or even if you're starting to feel strained in any of your relationships, you could probably use the chance to just unload.
unload the stress get it out talk to somebody who's completely unbiased about your life

someone who isn't going to judge you or take sides on anything. When there are things you can't tell anyone or feel like you can't unload onto family and friends, you need to unload it.
That's what therapy can be. BetterHelp is customized online therapy.
It offers video, phone, even live chat sessions with your therapist so you don't have to see anyone on camera if you don't want to. It's much more affordable than in-person therapy and you can start communicating with your therapist in under 48 hours.
Unload the stressors, get some unbiased feedback. You'd be pretty surprised at what you might gain from it.
You can see if it's for you. The podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp.
You can get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com slash PMT. This is actually one of the nicest things that people tell us when they say, hey, I gave BetterHelp a shot.
It's been helpful in my life. If you've even been considering going to therapy and you give it a shot with BetterHelp, let us know.
We feel good when people help themselves. Go to BetterHelp.com slash PMT, 10% off that first month.
All right, we're going to do Mount Rush mount rush where we got special guest hank's dad is back he's been on a mount rush before what was the one you you did uh last time mr lockwood uh sounds you don't like oh sounds you don't like i remember that one was hank's yawn on there hank's yawn was not do you um do you remember the first time you heard hank ya? He yawns exactly the same. I can't.
Yeah, Hank and I yawn exactly the same. So what's your problem? No problem.
Can we get you to yawn? I can't force a yawn. It's either going to happen or it might happen.
It might not. I know you guys love it.
It really stops us in our tracks. By the way, Hank, I've got to show you something real quick.
Can you see me right now? Check this out. The hotel I'm staying at.
Look at this. Oh, yeah.
They got the pumps. They're so big.
That's going to be a nice broth for you. Dude, I've just been souping it up.
I took an extra shower yesterday just because the soup was so good. That's great.
It's efficient. You got the body wash in the pump bottle too? Yes.
That's luxury. It's all three of them huge pump bottles.
Way to go. That's great.
Fire. All right.
So Mount Rushmore of water we're going to do. Mount Rushmore of water.
Who is picking first? Hank, you guys

want to decide the order? Let's do numbers.

Alright, okay, let's do numbers.

Okay, I'm going to do 69.

17.

Oh, no, all in my dad back, sorry.

5.

Billy? 86.

50.

Hear the

frustration in Billy's voice I stole 69 Mount Rushmore of waters or if you're from Philly waters what is that 80 that's an 80 I think we win right alright yeah Billy yeah either side the order Billy I'd like to let it be known for the record that it looks like Jake is podcasting hurt right now, doing this Mount Rushmore a little bit injured. He's got a heating pad on his neck.
Nice stiff neck. What? No, what did you do? Too much sex? Down in Boca Raton, if you know what I'm saying.
Yeah, of course. With Junior? Yep.
Yeah, Junior Soprano over here. You know it.
Careful, Jake. Oh, do we? You know, Jake, you don't go down there enough.
Do we know it? Do we know it? It's home, so. Yeah.
Do you know what we're saying? I bet it is. You're going back to it's where you came from.
It's true. Jesus Christ.
I can't see Jake right now. Is he following or no? No idea.
Yes, I am am I understand what's going on He gets it Okay okay okay Alright so Billy and Jake You guys decide the order We'll go first Hank are you on the same team as your father? Yeah it's me, my dad and Bubba So dank Bubba, so we'll go Big Cat, Jilly. Oh, no.
What? Jilly, dank, Big Cat. And then PFT? Yeah.
I'm so confused. Why don't you just go in order here, so we'll go around the room.
So go you guys, Mr. Lockwood, PFT, then me.
All right. Sounds good.
Shout out to QB. Because then it's actually an order here.
Only Billy could make the order confusing. We're going to start off with crushed ice.
Always a good thing to chew on when you're done with water, but you can't get the waiter's attention, you can just chew on some ice and really save some time there.

It's always nice.

Crushed ice.

You know what I've been a big fan of recently?

Like the little pebble ice.

Yeah, just anything small, little that you can chew on.

It's nice.

Okay.

Okay.

Good pick.

My dad's been overthinking this to the max.

I cannot wait for this, by the way.

I just want to set the scene a little bit.

All right.

Our first pick, we're going to go with the middle of the night water. Wake up, thirsty, just can't...
Nothing hits better than that. Big thirsty glass of water, middle of the night.
Yeah, I had one of those last night, actually. It is great.
I think Hank came up with an invention, right, where you just have... It's like one of those backpacks, the Camelbacks.
But it's built into the bed. It's built into a hotel bed.
So when you're hung over and you wake up in the morning, boom, you get that injection straight from the wall. It's like a soup tube, but for water.
My first one, I'm going to go. You know what? It's similar to what Jilly took, but I think it's different enough that it should count.

Sonic ice.

Sonic ice.

It's a different type of ice altogether.

It's the soft ice.

Really soft that you can chew on.

Is it flavored or just the ice?

No, just the ice. I used to sell these ice makers back in the day.

They use evaporative.

It's a whole process.

What didn't you sell?

Well, it was all for... Yeah, I sold literally everything.
But yeah, it's the best ice in the world. When you say Sonic Ice to somebody, people know instantly what you're talking about.
It's the goat ice. Wait, is it from like Sonic the restaurant? Sonic the restaurant.
It's not, you can get it other places. It's called, it's the pellet ice, but it's the specific type of soft ice that you can really get to chewing on.
All right. That was a good pick.
I am now overthinking it myself because I cannot believe on the fourth pick I have my 1-1 still available, but it's hose water on a summer day. Wow.
Drinking directly from the hose. It's a good pick.
I had that too. What's the wow? What's the wow, Hank? A lot of hose talk the last couple days about this Mount Rushmore.
Yeah, me and my dad have been talking hose. I mean, you agree, Mr.
Lockwood. That's the best.
Like you're playing wiffle ball or something, just get right up to the hose. There's nothing better.
I thought it might still be available on coming back around. No chance.
I said Big Cat's going for it, and Henry said maybe. I would have taken it 1-1.
I would have taken it 1-1. Alright, my second pick is going to be the glass of water you have when you get home after a long night of drinking and you're like, this is the one that's going to save me the hangover.
Like, okay, you think you've done something responsible like you're almost drinking a genius medical cure. It's not going to, but in the moment, you're like, good job.
Pat yourself on the back. You had one glass of water after you drank all day.
I think it is a hangover cure. I think when I get hungover, I'm like, oh, I didn't chug a bottle of water before I went to bed.
Yes, and it really does. Yeah, or sometimes you'll even get up out of bed.
You lay down, and then you get up out of bed. You're like, I gotta have that glass of water because it's the only thing that's

gonna keep me alive. But it really,

it doesn't ultimately matter if you've drank

enough, but it's still a great thing to have.

I drink nine shots of tequila right

before I went to bed. Oh, shit,

I forgot to drink. That's why I'm hung over

is because I forgot to have my 12

ounce deer park before I hit the hay.

Mentally, you just need

that. In college, we used to beer bong

water at the end of the night. Oh, I used to do that

the morning after. I'd get up before I hit the hay.
Mentally, you just need that. In college, we used to beer bong water at the end of the night.
Oh, I used to do that the morning after. I'd get up, and I would fill up the entire funnel with water.
I would take it. I'd be like, okay, I'm healthy now.
I'm ready to go. My body's good.
You just, for some reason, it feels like a medical cure. All right.
My next pick, I'm surprised this one lasted so long. The ocean.
I'm taking the ocean. I think you got to pick which one.
I don't know. I think just like the ocean in general.
Oh, so you're not going to pick a specific. It's all one ocean.
It's all connected. Okay.
But they're all connected, Jake. Fair.
It's like the Pangea of water. Yeah.
Just the ocean. You got inside that ocean.
You got waves. You got all these fish.
like 99% of the stuff in the ocean. We haven't even discovered yet.
Have you ever done one of those things where you scroll down and it does like a simulated deep dive into the ocean online? It just keeps going and going and shows you the animals that you see there at different depths. The ocean, it'll fuck you up.
The ocean is awesome. It's a great pick.
Thank you. Great pick.

We're going to come up with...

Wait, before you do it, can you just

rank your oceans? Just as a side?

Power ranking oceans. Number one,

Pacific. Number two...

It's the biggest. It's by far

the biggest. And I know people will

say it's not the size of the wave, it's the

motion of the ocean. That's not true.
It's not true at all.

It's all about girth. Right?

Number two, I'm going to go with the Atlantic Ocean.

Number three,

the Arctic Ocean.

Okay. People sleep on the Arctic

Ocean, but you give it like 250

years, that's going to be a tropical

paradise. And then number four, I've got the

Indian Ocean. We still haven't found that Malaysian

plain. Who knows if it's actually there?

Yep.

All right.

Good ranking in the oceans.

All right.

You forgot the Antarctic.

It's not an ocean.

Oh.

No such thing.

Wow.

Yeah.

This is now getting contentious, boys.

They just came out with a study.

The Antarctic Ocean is actually the biggest, coolest ocean ever.

Yeah.

I heard it on Joe Rogan's podcast.

All right.

Go ahead, Mr. Lockwood.

All right.

We're going to go with the hot shower.

Oh, good choice.

Good choice.

Good choice.

I had it.

I had it.

Always feels good.

Yep.

Turn your day around.

Yeah.

Specifically, I wrote down specifically, which this is not like you can't take it in a specific setting here. You get hot shower.
But the best hot shower is after, like, cold rain. You get caught in a cold rain, and you get a hot shower after.
That's the best. Yeah, like a day on the mountain.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yep. Yep.
Hot shower. Yeah, when your skin is so cold you can barely feel it, and then you get the hot shower, you get that stinging sensation, it's the best.
Or if you're a detective that's trying to solve a big case, and you just blast the hot shower into your face, and you slam your hand against the wall, you just think. That's in every single cop movie ever yep yep or if you just or if your uh best friend just pulled off a uh huge heist at the airport yeah and you're like smacking the wall really hard that's a great hot shower it is a good one yeah so i don't very relatable to all of us i would have said, the biggest heist of all time.
So I don't think this is actually taken, but what about the first glass of water the next morning after a night of drinking? That works. That's fair.
I think that plays. Yeah, that's a good choice.
I mean, that plays. Yeah, sure.
Because you're still drunk the night before when you had that glass of water. You're saying like 4 a.m.

We picked like middle of the night.

You're saying like 7 a.m.

Yeah, 7 a.m.

That's pretty close, but sure.

I think that plays because I had that on my list too, yeah.

Yeah, that works.

When you're actually thirsty.

When you're actually thirsty.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It plays Billy.

And next, who doesn't love going down the water slide?

Is that what they call it now? Good one. The kids.
heading down to bokeh reward of going down on the slide yes no that is that that's a great one i love a good water slide one of my favorite activities actually is driving past a water park and then just staring at the slides as I'm driving for like three seconds too long to be driving car responsibly,

just like turning my neck and be like,

oh my God, look at all those water slides.

Yeah, the colors.

Yes.

Okay, good picks, guys.

Mr. Lockwood.

All right, we're going to go with watermelon.

Delicious, good in the summer.

Always good. Okay.
Great choice. Great choice.
Great choice. All right.
Great choice. Great.
My next one. Okay, so Hank invited his dad to participate in this Mount Rushmore.
I thought that was very nice, a touching father-son moment. Who doesn't like something like that? But Hank also neglected to invite his mother to participate in this Mount Rushmore.
My dad kind of invited himself, let's be honest. Let's call a spade a spade here.
She's in the control room right now listening to the podcast and listening to Mr. Lockwood and Hank teaming up and Hank didn't even think to ask her, kind of a reverse Drew Brees and Drew Brees' daughter situation.
So I asked Mrs. Lockwood if she would like to contribute to my Mount Rushmore, since Hank didn't think that he should.
Classic you. So she's going to help me out a little bit.
She gave me a cold shower on a hot day, and I like that. Or a cold shower after a workout.
Something in that scenario where you're overheated and hitting that cold shower for a little bit is one of the most refreshing feelings that you can ever have. Okay.
So just for the record, so everyone knows, I'm still doing my Mount Rushmore by myself. It's the super team era.
I just keep going up against everyone. That's fine.
I will hold the sanctity of Mount Rushmore season. I'm your champion.
I'm Giannis. I will do it.
What? No, I'm saying I'm your champion of the people. I'm not saying I'm the champion.
I'm saying I'm the champion of the people who know that Mount Rushmore isn't about super teams. It's just about teamwork sometimes, you know? Mm-hmm.
Yep. Okay.
All right. You're like the Russell Westbrook of Mount Rushmore.
I'd like to go with Giannis. Pickett, there's no I in Mount Rushmore.
Mm-hmm. All right.
Here we go. The Monday after a big win, water cooler water.
After the team wins a big game and you're at work, and it's actually something you want to talk about with your coworkers because usually it sucks, but it's like, yeah, did you see the big win? That was fucking awesome. And you relive the game, and you sit there and have your little moment.
That's a great moment to have. Okay.
How about, let's see. I'll go lakes.

You know, I had oceans and lakes.

I'll go lakes.

I love lake water.

I think lakes are awesome.

I love lake water.

No, you don't drink the ocean.

No, I'll just clarify.

Lakes are okay, but lakes are sneaky dangerous.

Sage waves.

Yeah, sage waves. Dude, those will fuck you up.

Just rogue waves that appear on, like, lakes appear in the middle of the night. Yeah, Sage Waves.
Dude, those will fuck you up. Just rogue waves that appear on Lake Superior in the middle of the night.
Yeah, Sage Waves. So yeah, Lakes will be my fourth pick.
I'm surprised no one's picked any brands. I was thinking about doing...
Body Armor. There's one brand you can pick.
Yeah, Body Armor. Or Liquid Death, right? Or Liquid Death, yeah.
Sometimes we'll pick liquid death. Right now, can we? Yeah, I'm not sure.
We'll bleep out liquid death right now. Water it, water it, Dave and Buster's.
I'll tell you what, the most Mount Flushmore of all the waters is Evian. Evian's trash.
People that say that they can tell the difference between waters, usually I think it's bullshit, although Jeff Lowe just sat down one time blindfolded and told the difference between five different brands of water. But anyone can pick out Evian because it tastes like motor oil.
Dasani. Awful.
Dasani's supposed to actually dehydrate you because it has sodium in it. That sounds, again, like a Joe Rogan.
Where did you get that from? I swear to God, it's Atlanta tap water that Coca-Cola adds to. All right, so Big Kelly, behind the scenes, we actually did a macro dosing on bottled

water, and Billy said that exact same thing.

No, I didn't say it.

And we live fact-checked it and found out that it was extremely false during the episode.

So he just keeps going with it.

All right, you know what?

Now I actually am cool with it.

No, Big T said that.

I'm cool with it, Billy.

Billy, to continue to just spout out facts that are not true, I respect that.

You just keep going forward.

Proven wrong doesn't matter.

Well, usually it's like the core of Billy's statement is true,

but then all the details surrounding it are a million percent false.

Correct.

All right, my last one, I'm shocked.

This actually might be my favorite type of water the steam room i love a steam room have a schvitz sit down with the fellas nice and relaxing you can also like lie to yourself and say uh that it like gets all the toxins out of your system i don't think that it actually does that but it help a hangover. Just kind of makes you feel good.
Also the name of a very successful podcast from 2015 to 2015. Hollywood workout.
Go to the steam sauna and hot tub. Yep.
That's boom. That's your workout.
Yep. All right.
Mr. Lockwood, your last pick.
All right. Last one.
Very surprised. This is still alive.
We're going to go with rain. cycle of life are you really gonna for all living things rain you you're gonna pick that with with what's going on in louisiana right now yep well that's wind that's really wind and rain that's a hurricane it's the rain actually i think it's the rain i mean if it didn't rain we wouldn't live could be the storm surge could be the ocean this is just rain from sky.
The more I think about it. That's true.
The ocean is bad there. The whole timing of doing the Mount Rushmore water might be a little ill-advised right now.
Oh, I thought about it before. I thought about it before.
I was like, you know what? They're different, okay? They're different. Yeah, it's different.
I mean, we took ice first. As a podcaster, my thoughts and prayers are with Louisiana.
Of course. Louisiana's one of my favorite people.
One of my favorite states in the entire world. As a fan of water, I'm not going to be a fan of water for a couple days.
Speaking of water, one thing you might consider doing, if you're in Louisiana, fill up your bathtub with water at the start of it. That way, if there's anything that happens to the water supply boom you have a bathtub filled with fresh water ready to go that's a good that's a good tip to give people on monday yep after it already happened yeah well no hank's going to drop this pot early no i'm not actually this is actually uh how many lives could you save this is awl pre-season because i was thinking about it today.
I could drop it early but because Sundays are coming up or it's going to

be late, I don't want people to get accustomed to

coming up early. You'd rather

kill thousands of people. Consider this

preseason. No, he's smart.

You've got to condition the people because if you do it

early, they're going to... Yeah, you're absolutely

right. So this will be out at night.

Alright, Billy and Jake.

Alright.

Pick up basketball water. You're playing pick pickup basketball.
That's clearly a Jake choice. No, it was actually me.
Oh, really? No, but think about it. What about non-pickup? Yeah, but it's the one time you're out of shape.
You're not in basketball shape. You're dying for water halfway through, and you either have a cold bottle of water you bring, or you go to the fountain and drink cold water, and it just hits different.
Okay, so... You didn't have to make it specific to pick up basketball, but I do think that the one type of sports water that hits different is when you pick up that red and white personal thermos of water at a sports practice, and you drink out of that.
That is a great tasting water.

I like to pick Billy.

I don't hate it because I had something similar.

Yeah.

No, the only problem that I had have with it because I was actually I wrote down something

similar.

But the best is when you like when you win a bunch of games in a row.

But then you this is this specific to me because once I'm playing pickup basketball and my team wins like three in a row, by the fourth game I want to lose so I can take a break. That's the best water, but that also is a loser mentality.
I would bring like eight bottles and people would always mooch off me. Oh, of course.
Of course. Come prepared.
Water that's not yours tastes the best. I don't know if you can – blue water we're doing honorable mentions that water when you can see the bottom of the ocean that's pretty fucking sick jacuzzi although I was thinking about it have you ever seen how a jacuzzi works it's just recycled water it's disgusting it's half piss Jersey Shore it's Hot tub.
Yeah. I had water balloons and super soakers.
Like water fight. Yep.
Snow. Snow.
Snow is a big miss. Oh, snow.
Hail. Damn.
Hail. Hail.
Yeah. That's not good water.
Snow cones? Yeah, water ice. Water ice.
Water ice. Water ice is good.

I'm surprised you guys haven't said your team.

Yeah, I thought someone was going to say water dogs.

No, fuck them.

Why would I do that?

Absolutely not.

If we did Mount Flushmore, it would have been my 1-1 pick.

Hot bath.

The old hot bath is a good one, too.

Yeah.

Waves.

Would waves have counted?

I think ocean is probably.

So I get waves inside the ocean. Okay.
The Antarctic Ocean is an ocean. It's debatable.
Southern Ocean. There's four oceans, and now it's like Pluto.
People are like, oh, it's the participation trophy generation. I'm going to throw it up there.
Just trying to put a medal on the cold parts of the Pacific, Atlantic, and Indian Oceans. Mr.
Lockwood, do we have anything that we missed that you had on your list? No, those are all we just did in honorable mentions. The rest of the ones came up.
Oh, what about waterfalls? River water. Oh, yeah.
Don't go chasing them. How'd you do in Papa Shot, Mr.
Lockwood? 101. Couldn't get the record.
Whoa! Okay. If I had more time, I'd get the record.
He said he was going to break the record. You have good form.
I saw the video that Hank put up. You were bending your knees nicely.
Yeah. I'd get the record.
I just don't have enough time right now. I'm trying to get you to yawn.
I need you to yawn. I have to see the genetic.
Did your father yawn like that as well? I don't know, but Henry is identical. I mean, there's no question where it came from.
Your poor wife, Hank's poor mom, has to deal with it both of you. My mom did this text.
She said, water of my tears if we miss our train Yeah I gotta go Oh Oh Alright Billy any recap Thank you Mr. Lockwood Great to see you It's good to have you Yeah See ya Any Billy anything to recap Oh yeah So like those turf pellets We were talking about When they get that hot And you get turf burn They actually sometimes burn into your turf burns and get stuck in your body.

Really?

Yeah.

It sounds like Pop Rocks and Diet Coke.

No.

So when you skin your knee when the turf's that hot and the turf gets in the turf burn, sometimes it just stays in there.

And your skin heals over top of it?

Yeah, because it burns in there. So you become like part football field at that point that's actually awesome yeah that is badass wasn't there a study that came out yeah you know the study that i'm talking about cancer where it's like youth soccer goalies that grow up playing on field turf fields that are exposed to that ground up tire material yeah they develop more cancer than other people is Is that true? Yeah.
Are you just saying? I saw what you saw. Are you just saying, yeah? No, I saw exactly what you saw because, I don't know, something about the rubber.
Yeah. That's why I don't wear condoms.
God damn it, Billy. You just make me laugh at your fucking voice.
All right, anything else? The Antarctic Ocean is an ocean. Debatable.
No, it's just what they call the cold

parts of the other oceans. And

Dasani was taken off UK shelves

for the conspiracy theory that it makes

you more thirsty.

So there was a little... That's the core

of the truth and then all the other

stuff you put around it. Right, but there's also

additives to it that people

are a little sketched out about. Okay, so

you're talking about the TikTok trend where somebody opens up a Dasani and it makes a hiss sound and they're like, hear all that? That's the poison leaving the bottle. That's cancer.
Yeah. You hear that sound? That's actually cancer.
All right. Okay.
Numbers. By the way, Wednesday we have Jerry O'Connell back in studio.

Awesome, awesome interview.

Very excited for that.

What's your prediction for this fight, Big Cat?

I think Jake Paul's going to win.

I've moved past the roadblock you put in my brain, Hank.

Okay, we'll see.

So Jake Paul's going to win.

All right.

Knock him out.

He's going to knock him out. I'll do 99.
82. Eight.
Six from Bubba. Sharks don't know camels exist.
That's a five

What was that, 73?

I'm going to take a camel to the ocean

Just blow some fucking shark lines

Love you guys Take me off I'm talking away I don't know what I'm to say I'll say it anyway Today is another day to fight Shying away I'll be coming for your love of cake Shying away I'll be coming for your love of cake Take on me Take me on I'll be gone And I'll tell you Needless to say I've already said it It's fucking so See you of time. He's shying away I'll be coming for you anyway Take on me

Take me on

I'll be gone

In a deep I'll be

girl

in a day It's part of my take presented by Barstool Sports.