Kirk Herbstreit, Mt Rushmore Of Water And Football Is Back

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Speaker 3 On today's part of my take, we have the one and only Kirk Herbstreet recurring guest talking about his new book, talking about college football. A lot of great stuff.

Speaker 3 Lee Corso, an awesome interview with Kirk Herbstreet. We have college football back officially.
The first games of meaningful football have been played. Who's back of the week?

Speaker 3 And then the Mount Rushmore of water. Before we get to all of that.

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Speaker 3 Today is Monday, August 30th. And I don't know if you guys have heard this one before, but football is back.

Speaker 5 Football is back. Also, congratulations to the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 5 They broke Vince Lombardi's record. 20-0 in preseason football.
The greatest streak, perhaps, in all of sports.

Speaker 3 Simply incredible. Simply incredible.
So I'm in Cleveland right now. We're taping this in the middle of the afternoon because I'm going to be part of the Jake Paul circus tonight.

Speaker 3 But we are going to talk some football. We have Kirk Herbstreet on in a second.
We have Mount Rushmore. We should talk, though.
So the Baltimore Ravens, a good story.

Speaker 3 They are the preseason champs. We should talk real quick, though, about Scott Frost in Nebraska, because the first meaningful football game was played.

Speaker 3 The first meaningful football game points were a safety when a guy fielded a punt at the one-yard line and tried to throw it out of the end zone. There's a rouge.

Speaker 5 They were attempting a rouge.

Speaker 3 Nebraska is a complete and utter dumpster fire. I don't know what you do.
I don't know if you saw the graphics they were throwing up there, but Scott Frost is now 9-18 in Big Ten football games.

Speaker 3 Zero bowl games. He has the second worst record of any head coach in Nebraska history, and it's a complete failure.
And I feel bad for Nebraska fans. I'm sure they're probably...

Speaker 3 The fact that they had that type of failure as the standalone game in week zero has to hurt because otherwise you would have just like passed over an Illinois-Nebraska game.

Speaker 3 No, that was everyone was watching that game. That game ruled because it was Big Ten through and through.
Brett Bielma just grinding him up. Scott Frost, though, total disaster.

Speaker 5 It's tough. It's tough when they put the graphic up and it was Scott Frost and then a guy who looked like he was a 1901 baseball pitcher with the black and white pitcher next to him.

Speaker 5 And then another guy.

Speaker 5 I think the other guy's profile picture was just a cartoon because they didn't have cameras invented when that guy was coaching but he is like it's the worst start to any nebraska coach maybe of all time and uh it's it's not great because they thought that this guy was going to be the savior he was coming off the national championship at ucf he was like the the prodigal son returning this is the next guy that's going to save nebraska football and then he comes in implements a system that is decidedly not nebraska and how they run.

Speaker 5 Seriously, if you're the next Nebraska coach, just buy all the steroids. Just get all the steroids.

Speaker 5 If you get caught, I guarantee you that Cornhusker fans will not give a shit if you get caught running the dirtiest strength and conditioning program in the history of college sports besides, what's that movie?

Speaker 5 Unnecessary roughness. You need that.

Speaker 3 You need

Speaker 3 the program?

Speaker 5 Or unnecessary. Yeah, both of them had, yeah, the program.
But like, you need the dirtiest strength and conditioning coach of all time. Just cheat.

Speaker 5 Just cheat because it would be less embarrassing if you're Nebraska to get caught cheating than it is running whatever you have been running for the last 10 years.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 3 And credit to Brett Bielema because I actually think he's going to be a good coach at Illinois and he plays Brett Bielema ball.

Speaker 3 That drive to start the second half where he was like, I'm just going to run the ball down your throat for 75 yards was vintage Bielema.

Speaker 3 But it's this is like The winner yesterday was actually sneaky Jim Harbaugh because the prodigal son going home and having it being a failure now is like the big one is now Scott Frost because Jim Harbaugh at least got Michigan to like within an inch of going to the Big Ten championship game in a college football playoff.

Speaker 3 Like Scott Frost, they haven't even sniffed it. And it's year four.
And I would actually say the,

Speaker 3 like, it's not even the offense he's running.

Speaker 3 It's just the fact that he keeps trotting out Adrian Martinez, who I've never seen a guy have an ability to fumble the ball at inopportune times more than this guy.

Speaker 3 Like he just is like, oh, this would be a

Speaker 3 this specific moment would be a soul crusher. Okay, now I'm going to fumble.
Dude, picks, you know, a fumble six at the end of the half.

Speaker 5 Yeah, if you're a Martinez, and yes, it is a different Martinez.

Speaker 5 No one understands that, but they have had a quarterback named Martinez for what feels like 15 years in a row.

Speaker 3 Because Taylor Martinez was before that was in like the early two, it was like 2011 to 14-ish. Yes.

Speaker 5 And now, so anytime you get out-dueled by a Sitkowski, it's going to be an issue. And

Speaker 5 credit shifts.

Speaker 3 Shout out Rutgers transfer.

Speaker 3 That was half a win for Rutgers, too.

Speaker 5 Yeah, exactly. So he looked good in comparison, but it was mostly like, is there a coach that you would less rather play in opening day in week zero than Bilema? I don't think that there is.
Because

Speaker 5 over the course of a season, no, I would rather play Sabin because everyone expects you to lose and get crushed by Saban. But Bilema, like, that's when he's at his freshest.

Speaker 5 You get a few weeks of actual football in under Bilema's belt, his considerable belt, and you're going to be facing a guy that's like a little worn down, a little grunt.

Speaker 5 I mean, he's a lot of men, big cat.

Speaker 3 He's lost some weight, though. We got to give him credit.
He's lost 30 or 40 pounds.

Speaker 3 So he does look, I mean, look, when you get very big, losing 30 or 40 pounds, you're still big, but you got to give credit.

Speaker 3 We're trying to get everyone, you know, healthy 2021.

Speaker 5 That's how you know how big he is because he's like, I lost either 30 or 40 pounds. He's not sure.

Speaker 3 Yeah, somewhere around there. Well,

Speaker 3 I think when you're that big,

Speaker 3 the 10-pound difference is really just the last meal you had. Like, it can fluctuate just from that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, have you shit today yet? Well, then I'm more like 30 pounds less than I was.

Speaker 3 Yes. So,

Speaker 3 but yeah, it was,

Speaker 3 I don't know what to do. I actually now feel bad for Nebraska fans because it was kind of fun to joke about, but now it's like, where do you go from here? Maybe back to the biggest.
It's really sad.

Speaker 3 They have a, I think it's a $20 million

Speaker 3 buyout for Scott Frost.

Speaker 3 So, like, in all likelihood, Scott Frost is probably going to be there for another year because I always just assume when the prodigal son comes home, he always gets like, it's always however many years he should be fired, plus one.

Speaker 3 You always get that like extra year. So next year probably be his extra year.
And it's just, it's a disaster. And I want Nebraska to be good because, like you said, like the fan base is incredible.

Speaker 3 That's all they have. You know, I mean,

Speaker 3 that's the big thing in town, obviously. It's a big thing in the state.
state, and they've just been very, very bad.

Speaker 3 And I, Scott Frost, dude, you could tell, too, he was like, he's, you know, how he was being cocky about last year when he's like, yeah, we'll go to F, well, no, where'd he say?

Speaker 3 We'll go to where'd he Kazakhstan or something? Yeah, we'll play anybody at any time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 Now he's like, yeah, this is,

Speaker 3 we're just snake bitten. It's like, nah, probably, you're just bad.
You guys are just bad.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I blame a couple people for this, right? I blame, first of all, the entire university. Who's the coach? Was it Bill Callahan when he did not recruit Danny Woodhead from in-state?

Speaker 5 The best player maybe in the history of the state of Nebraska? I mean, to not recruit him, I think that that put a curse.

Speaker 5 They even let him come out and do his pro day on their field in which Danny Woodhead cucked all of Nebraska's players and outperformed all of them.

Speaker 5 By not recruiting Danny Woodhead, not even sending him a letter, they probably didn't even drive past his house for the four years Danny Woodhead was tearing up high school football in Nebraska.

Speaker 5 That put a curse on them. Number two, I blame Warren Buffett.

Speaker 5 If you're the richest dude almost in America and you're like the only thing in Nebraska besides the University of Nebraska and you don't like sports, you're a weirdo.

Speaker 5 You need to be contributing some money to the program. You need to be building up this program.

Speaker 3 He's a Creighton guy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like that.
I think that you need to have an affinity for major sports in America if you're a billionaire, or else it's just a waste of money.

Speaker 5 You're just a money pit that we're all shoveling cash into non-stop. So I blame Warren Buffett.
Like, just give some money to the football program, Warren.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's,

Speaker 3 I, I love college football, so I kind of love like the ins and outs of when, when, like, a disaster happens like this, and there's like, what are they going to do?

Speaker 3 Like, the idea that like the AD might be texting boosters during halftime.

Speaker 3 After, after Adrian Martinez fumbles for a fumble six with like a minute and a half left in the second quarter, he's texting boosters being like, so how much will you pay so that we can get him out of here?

Speaker 3 Like, it's 20 million. Can you cough up the money?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I like to think that Scott Frost was actively on Trulia at halftime. Just like, you know, just seeing what the house can go for.
See what the cops are out there.

Speaker 3 The other story from Saturday, we only had five games. Well, there's a couple.
One was

Speaker 3 the, I don't know why they played the Fresno State game at like 11 o'clock local time, but

Speaker 3 the players' cleats were melting on the field. It was so hot.
And like, they had to stop the game because a fan passed out.

Speaker 3 But the big, big story is Chip Kelly has brought back the visor, which I don't know if you saw, but before the game, it was like, hey, Chip Kelly just is wearing the visor today.

Speaker 3 He's never done this at UCLA. And I was like, mortal lock, UCLA, because this is the first time he put the visor back on in a college game since Oregon.
I think

Speaker 3 I'm a firm believer in weirdos like Chip Kelly. Like, he purposely didn't put on the visor until he knew he had a team that could compete.
And now he's like, all right, I got my guys.

Speaker 3 I'm ready to roll.

Speaker 5 Visor time. Yeah, because he wasn't really Chip Kelly for the last few years because he knew that the recruits weren't there.
He knew he wasn't going to live up to the name of Chip Kelly.

Speaker 5 So why put yourself out there? Just fly on the radar for a while and then come back when you feel like, yeah, you've got a real chance. He looked good with the visor, too.

Speaker 5 Chip Kelly's weight fluctuates so much. I don't even know if it's his weight, but it's just how swollen he is on any given day.

Speaker 5 Like, sometimes he looks a little svelte, and sometimes it looks like he's got, like, his, with the visor, it's like a rubber band wrapped around a balloon, and then it, like, puffs out on either side.

Speaker 5 But he looked good on Saturday. UCLA looked good.
There was nobody at all at the game.

Speaker 5 I think, well, yeah, UCLA football, what is that, like the 50th, 60th option of stuff to do on a Saturday in Los Angeles?

Speaker 3 Well, and it's also they play at the Rose Bowl. Like, but they don't play in downtown L.A.
So I think that obviously makes it, I mean, you know the traffic going to Pasadena. Yeah, I do.

Speaker 5 And if you can't know 405 there, it was on the same day as el traffico lafc against the galaxy the classic from the last match the derby so yeah

Speaker 3 that probably explains why nobody went there we should talk a little soccer right now cristiano ronaldo uh is back at manchester united yeah he basically um

Speaker 3 last second of the transfer window pinaldo was like oh where can i go get the most amount of penalties all right i'm gonna go back to man you um i have a little video for when he's ready to go that i have a little jeff fisher video Bubba's sneezing in the background.

Speaker 3 I don't,

Speaker 3 you know, man you fans, you should feel dirty. You should feel bad about yourself.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I mean, didn't he start his career there?

Speaker 3 It's coming home. Is the video a coming home video, Biquette?

Speaker 5 Cristiano Ronaldo.

Speaker 3 No, sometimes you have to go back. And it's just him kicking penalty kicks.
Bubba just keeps sneezing in my face, and I don't know what's going to happen. He's a little bit of a bad person.

Speaker 3 We probably have COVID. Ronaldo.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Cristiano Ronaldo is a little bitch. No respect coming from this side of the table to Cristiano Ronaldo.

Speaker 3 I won't even say his name.

Speaker 5 I like him. No, I wouldn't.
Hank, that's problematic, Hank. If you knew anything about Cristiano Ronaldo's past, he's got his own island, right?

Speaker 3 I'm good.

Speaker 5 So did Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 5 I will not say his name on this podcast. I won't.
I just simply won't do it. Man, use a trash franchise.
Although, I'd still rather cheer for them than Arsenal at this point. Like 5-0.

Speaker 5 I mean, come on.

Speaker 3 Oh, they stink. 0-5? They stink.
They stink. They're rubbish.
Actually, it was funny because

Speaker 3 Jetsky, who works with us, does the graphics for troops and Zah for the man, or for the Arsenal games, the streams. And we were at Rough and Rowdy on Friday night.

Speaker 3 And I think he was out and he basically stayed up late to make all the graphics. And he was like essentially half asleep when he got in the car on Saturday morning.

Speaker 3 And I was like, yeah, do you see Arsenal lost 5-0?

Speaker 3 He had made every graphic except up to five goals because he's like, this can't happen. So he like made 1-0, 1-1, 2-1, 2-2.
All the graphics. He's like, are you fucking serious?

Speaker 3 They lost five to nothing. So, yeah, that's how bad Arsenal is right now.

Speaker 3 They're exceeding even the graphics for live streams.

Speaker 5 Yeah, just real bad.

Speaker 5 Real bad showing by the boys from Arsenal. I'm Arteta out now.

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 3 they should bring back Winger, right? I've been Arteta out for a long-ass time.

Speaker 5 Fuck that guy. I mean, can you imagine rooting for Man U when they're not even the best soccer team in Manchester?

Speaker 3 No, not me.

Speaker 5 I couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 Not me. Man City.
What part of London is Manchester?

Speaker 5 It's in South London.

Speaker 3 Got it. It's where

Speaker 5 the Cockney accent. That's Manchester.
Actually, no, no.

Speaker 5 It's Peaky Blinders. That's Manchester.

Speaker 3 Ah, okay. Nice.
Good to know. Little historical.
Let's do

Speaker 3 real quick. I just watched three hours of a rain delay on F1.
That's all I got. Oh, I have one thing from it.
Did you see Lewis Hamilton on

Speaker 3 his,

Speaker 3 he was talking about some dude, I think it's Christian Horner, dropped a bomb. Lewis Hamilton said,

Speaker 3 it was a cameraman. It was a cameraman.
So, Hank, you got to stand up for yourself. Lewis Hamilton said this.
I'm glad I went to the toilet.

Speaker 3 The one I went to, someone had dropped a crazy bomb in there. The worst thing ever.
I'm going to haunt me. It's going to haunt me for life.
That was pretty much the highlight of F1 today.

Speaker 5 Okay, wait, that was Lewis Hamilton said that.

Speaker 3 Yes, that was probably

Speaker 5 going to haunt him for life. It was probably Christian Horner's toilet.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but so what Hank said, and he's right, is they said that it was a French cameraman who went to that bathroom. So, Hank, do you think as a cameraman yourself who blows up toilets?

Speaker 3 Big cat.

Speaker 3 We're talking a little bit French people in this room, a little bit French.

Speaker 3 Oh, what have I ever blown up a toilet in your face? Oh, the big cat, you literally, Mount Russia. No, you talked about how you literally clog every toilet of every bathroom.

Speaker 3 I don't know that you're doing it. We've all blown up.
I've never been here with you. Have you clogged a toilet in your bathroom this weekend yet? No, actually, no.
Congratulations. Actually, no.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Prayers up for it later.
It seems like you're shaming me. No, I'm just saying you're trying to say I'm the bomb, the bomb exploder in this

Speaker 5 I do think it's a little unfair to point any finger because as a podcast I think we've we probably have like 2.5 toilets broken per person as an average but I do

Speaker 3 what I know what you're saying I think when you're a cameraman you always are you're you got to be locked in you only get so many minutes of break so it's probably something that you hold in for a long time and then when you get to release it it's a bomb I wasn't saying that it was a bomb because it was you.

Speaker 3 I just added that.

Speaker 3 I was talking about from a cameraman's perspective, if you like blow up up a toilet, if you were doing it, like maybe you were doing Sunday night football, you blow up a toilet, now Michaels goes in after you, like you kind of have to quit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's tough. It's definitely tough.
Like if they know who this guy was, which it sounds like they do. I think you have to quit.
How do you can't go

Speaker 3 walk around and see his face and be like, yo, he said this will haunt me forever? Well, maybe it was. He's a race car driver who's seen like people die in crashes.

Speaker 5 How did they positively ID whose shit that it was? Did they check it? Did they test it?

Speaker 5 Like get a sample of it or did they have like they've got surveillance and they went back to the security room and saw no i think who went in first i think you just because that's kind of

Speaker 5 died no he just went in after someone he just went in after someone that that's kind of on you you got to give a little buffer zone like if if somebody walks out of a port-a-potty you don't ask the person hey can you hold the door for me i'm going in next you got to give it a good like you know five six minutes to cool down

Speaker 3 It's too hot. You can't go into a hot zone.

Speaker 3 Guns blazing. This guy's got to quit.
This guy's got to quit. He's got to quit.

Speaker 3 What other sports? Anything else that we got to talk about sports-wise?

Speaker 5 There was a tie. There was a preseason tie.

Speaker 3 I didn't know that that happened.

Speaker 5 It didn't even go to overtime. It was the Jets and the Eagles.
31-31. Jake, that's probably a scoregami, right? I'll check.
I would assume so.

Speaker 3 Maybe not, because there used to be ties.

Speaker 5 Yeah, 31-31.

Speaker 3 They still are, technically. Yeah, I mean, you can tie in the NFL.

Speaker 7 Oh, my God. Scoregami.com is offline for maintenance.

Speaker 5 Oh, sweet Christian.

Speaker 3 They need a fixed week

Speaker 7 from today.

Speaker 3 Emergency. That would be terrible.

Speaker 3 Emergency.

Speaker 5 I guess the hottest debate right now is, is it going to be Cam or is it going to be Mac?

Speaker 3 People are still talking about that.

Speaker 5 And Belichick's keeping it pretty close to the vest. So I don't know.

Speaker 5 One thing that I've heard, and I love this line of dialogue, people saying, you know what, Mac Jones, he's not going to be the best rookie quarterback, but he's the most NFL-ready.

Speaker 5 rookie quarterback right now. I love that.
So he's going to go in and probably not lose you any games, whereas Cam Newton is probably going to lose you a couple games, maybe win you a couple games.

Speaker 5 Mac Jones is just kind of going to be there.

Speaker 3 I don't know if you feel the same way, big cat, but I mean, I know you're like trying to get Justin Fields starting, even though Andy Dalton's a super nice guy, but I just, I would prefer Cam Newton to start because you have no wiggle room.

Speaker 3 It just seems like if Mac Jones starts, Cam Newton's going to be mad. And if Mac Jones does bad, then it's going to be like a disaster.

Speaker 3 Whereas if Cam starts and is bad, it just extends the season a little bit.

Speaker 3 It gives you more.

Speaker 3 It gives you a second chance versus if you do it the opposite way, it seems like much more of a shit show. I see what you're saying.
I kind of agree with what you're saying.

Speaker 3 I think the Bears are a little bit of a different case. I'm more mad at just Matt Nagy getting in front of everyone and saying we still have to evaluate Andy Dalton.

Speaker 3 Like, that's more where my anger comes from, the fact that he's just lying to us, and the idea of a quarterback competition never existed. But I see what you're saying.

Speaker 3 Like, if Mac Jones starts, you might lose Cam Newton and then, like, not lose him, but you know, he's like, well, fuck this. I'm a starter.
Yeah. And then if Mac Jones does poorly, but I

Speaker 3 don't know. I think Belichick's, I guess the real difference here is like Matt Nagy, I think, is a fucking moron.
Bill Belichick is a genius.

Speaker 3 Bill Belichick's going to do whatever is right to win football games. Matt Nagy's going to do whatever is right to try to save his job.
So I think the motivations are different.

Speaker 3 And that's why if you're sitting in your seat, you like just trust whatever Belichick does.

Speaker 5 I think Matt Nagy has even moved on, though. I don't think that he's trying.
His motivation isn't trying to save his job.

Speaker 5 His motivation at this point is just like, what can I do to get myself another friend? And so I think if I start Andy Dalton, he'll be my friend and he'll like me.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, Belichick doesn't give a shit about that, obviously. And you're right, like, Andy Dalton has come off the bench a few times

Speaker 5 in his group. Very nice guy.
I know

Speaker 5 Hank hasn't said anything about Cam being a nice guy.

Speaker 5 Huh. Cam's a nice guy.
Oh, nice guy.

Speaker 3 Okay, nice guy. Great fashion.

Speaker 5 Great fashion. We all love it.

Speaker 3 Andy Dalton is a great guy. MVP.
Andy Dalton also didn't win MVP.

Speaker 3 That's true. That's a good point.
That's a very good point.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so, and then we also had Urban Meyer.

Speaker 3 I just love Coach Speak so much because I think maybe a week and a half ago, he was like, yeah, we're still evaluating our quarterbacks. And then they traded Gardner Minshew for like a six-rounder.
So

Speaker 3 it was neck and neck, Gardner Minshew, Trevor Lawrence. And then they traded him for a six-rounder.
It happened that fast. Yep.

Speaker 5 Yep. No one knew.

Speaker 5 I tell you what, I wouldn't want to be the person that goes into the Port-a-Potty after Gardner Minshew because remember, he said he wasn't going to take a shit all training camp because he didn't even want the number two, the phrase number two, to enter his dialogue.

Speaker 5 So it's going to be him up in Philly.

Speaker 5 I just feel like Philly doesn't know what.

Speaker 3 Yeah, oh, yeah, that's right. Philly.
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 5 I feel like Philly has no idea what they're going to do with this season. It's like chaos.
It's utter chaos.

Speaker 3 Because even the people that kind of like Jalen Hurts are like we like jalen hurts but this guy's clearly not the answer for us like no one they don't have a clear direction at all it's just kind of like pandemonium in philadelphia right now i think without looking at the eagles schedule and my very um uneducated guess is that philly's gonna play decent to start the season and everyone's gonna say wow look at jalen hurts and then they're gonna because they're they don't have like the super talented roster then they're gonna fall off and everyone's gonna say well the league figured out Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 3 Okay. And then

Speaker 5 it sounds like if you give up all this capital to get Minshew, it sounds like Joe Flacco might be the odd man out in Philly.

Speaker 3 All that capital. Six-rounder.

Speaker 5 I mean, if you give up something for the guy, you know what the Texans are asking for, Deshaun Watson?

Speaker 3 Yeah, like five first-round picks, and then the Dolphins are asking for a bunch of clauses to get them all back, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, they're like, hey, if he's a rapist, can we get our stuff back?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just going to throw

Speaker 3 this quick disclaimer on this trade proposal.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and honestly, like, I kind of agree with that disclaimer. If a player gets convicted of 22 counts of sexual assault after you trade for him, you should be able to send him back.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to say

Speaker 3 I've found a peace with Dolphins fans, but so Past Me would say, hey, it seems kind of weird that they're even having discussions if Tua is the guy.

Speaker 3 But again, I've found peace with Dolphin fans, so I'm just going to say Tua is the guy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, I don't know. I feel like Tua, the microscope isn't so much on Tua anymore in Florida as it is Trevor Lawrence.
Like, Tua is going to be able to skip.

Speaker 5 If he has an average season this year and Trevor Lawrence stinks it up, Tua is kind of off the hook.

Speaker 5 Do you expect Tua?

Speaker 3 How so?

Speaker 5 Well, what's the bar for success for Tua right now? Like, do you expect, do you want him to go out there and light it up?

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, because I think the Dolphins have like a playoff caliber roster. I mean,

Speaker 3 they were decent to

Speaker 3 good last year. So I think that Tua is, it's basically his play has to pick up.
Like, Trevor Lawrence is a wash this year. Like, he doesn't have to do...

Speaker 3 Because the Jaguars stink, and they don't have anything around him. So he's kind of good no matter what, and I think he's going to look good.
I think Tua has to show something this year.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but I'm saying like he was so bad at times last year that just an average season this year out of Tua, I think that goes a long way.

Speaker 3 Oh, I think they need to make the playoffs. I do.

Speaker 5 Well, I think the Dolphins can make the playoffs with Tua being average.

Speaker 3 Are they doing the

Speaker 3 extra game this year? No. How many teams make the playoffs this year?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think extra game, right?

Speaker 3 Your game? I think it's a big head game.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the

Speaker 5 Nickelodeon game. Nick Jr.

Speaker 3 Slime Time.

Speaker 3 I don't like how they changed the playoffs in MLB and then changed it back. If you change the playoffs once, I just expect it to stay that way forever.
So thankfully, the NFL has done that.

Speaker 5 Or when they switch from certain rounds being three gate or best of five to best of seven, and then they go back?

Speaker 5 No, if you're a dad and they change that, you will never remember it ever for the rest of your life if they change it back.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think NBA absolutely should go back to the best of five, the Kembe Mutumbo. Shock the world.
Yeah, those are the moments that you get.

Speaker 5 My dad still calls it the pinnant. Like, you can't change things up on dads.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes.

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Speaker 3 Okay, who's back of the week? Hank. My who's back of the week is Trent Dilfer.
Ooh, all right. Did you guys see this video? Yes.

Speaker 3 Yes. Dilfer is a high school coach.
This is actually kind of a foreshadowing to, you think that was a salt shake?

Speaker 7 Not really.

Speaker 3 So this is a little foreshadowing to our interview. We talked about it with Herb Street.

Speaker 3 Dilfer is a high school football coach now, and there was a viral clip that went out on Friday or Saturday of him.

Speaker 3 Like, apparently, a player talked back to him, and it was like Dilfer trying everything in his power not to assault him. Like, he was up in his face, screaming him.

Speaker 3 He was kind of, like, walking towards him, and the kid was walking back. Like, he wasn't really, like, pushing him.

Speaker 3 Like, his arms didn't extend with a push, but he definitely walked him back, was screaming in his face, just alfing the shit out of him.

Speaker 3 It was just one of the, it was a, I think, I mean, mean, I'm curious to see what Billy thinks.

Speaker 3 I think it's a regular like kind of football player and football coach interaction if a player is like giving him shit. But it was just funny because it was Trent Dilfer being an absolute psychopath.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I'm watching it right now.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's dog walking him. That's a dog walk to his own player.

Speaker 5 I put most of the blame on the holdback guy. Trent's holdback guy does an awful job.

Speaker 5 So Trent's, he did, the holdback guy is nowhere to be found until the very end when the player spikes his helmet on the ground and then the holdback guy does a half-assed job of grabbing his belt.

Speaker 5 You need to have a hand around the waist the entire time, providing backwards resistance on Trent Dilfer. But Trent Dilfer looks kind of jacked up, also in this clip.

Speaker 3 Jacked up, yeah, he does. He does, he looks beasty.
Billy, what uh, what did you think, dude?

Speaker 8 With a lot of this stuff, it's just because Trent Dilfer is under a microscope because he's Trent Dilfer. Like, this is this happens Friday nights across America, just like guy getting chewed out.

Speaker 3 And apparently, their team is like, apparently, their team is like one of the best teams in the country.

Speaker 6 That's excellent.

Speaker 3 There's also a sliding scale with with being a hardo to your kids, and it's, you know, like high school. Like, if this was, if this happened in the NFL, I'd be like, what are they doing?

Speaker 3 Like, no one's going to respond. No grown man's going to respond to that type of coaching.
But I think when you're in high school, that it plays.

Speaker 8 Oh, this isn't even that bad. Now that I'm rewatching it.

Speaker 3 No, it wasn't. I agree.

Speaker 3 So the thing I was curious for Billy and Big Kat, I guess, as a father is, because a lot of the comments were like, imagine if your dad in the stands and you see this happen, like, what's your reaction?

Speaker 3 I'd be like, good. He's coaching him hard.
I mean, as long as he

Speaker 3 didn't push it, you're right. There was no, like, there was no, like, physical assault.
It was just like he did not.

Speaker 3 As long as you're not Bobby Knight, right, as long as you're not Bobby Knight choking a kid, like, like, Tom Izzo,

Speaker 3 it happens every year with Tom Izzo, where he'll, like, grab a guy, grab a kid. Like, I hate the argument, you never put your hands on

Speaker 3 a player. It's like, grabbing a guy by the shoulder, grabbing him by the elbow.
Come on. Are we really, are we really going to get upset about that?

Speaker 3 Obviously, if it's, if it's like punching, choking, like actual malicious intent, this there was no malicious intent in this.

Speaker 5 All right, so upon further review in this clip, Trent doesn't really touch him besides, like, even what he's doing to the kid as he's walking backwards.

Speaker 5 Like, that's he's got his hands on the kid's pads.

Speaker 3 Great hand placements. Good hand placement.
Yeah,

Speaker 5 it's not even a hold. It's just like keeping your hands inside and maintaining leverage.
He just walks towards him.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you're right. That happens at probably 10,000 high schools across America every weekend.

Speaker 8 Also, some of these guys are in such a mindset that it was probably actually good Trent Dilver talked them down because if emotions are flaring, like he could have been yelling at a ref, I don't know what the context was, but getting himself in more trouble.

Speaker 8 So it's almost like you got to corner, you know, the angry bull.

Speaker 3 And to add to all of it, I hate the reaction whenever something like this happens because you don't know this player and the coaches, like how their relationship works, right?

Speaker 3 It's just, you get a glimpse of it for a split second and then you decide immediately, oh, how could he ever do that? That might like the player could have ultimate trust in the coach.

Speaker 3 They could, it could be a player that says, I need to be coached hard. Like, this is the buttons that need to be pushed.
So, I never see a brief second of that and be like, oh my God, how could he?

Speaker 3 It's just ridiculous. By the way, I've been looking at the computer the whole time, not the camera.
So that's going to be weird for the clips. I just realized.
Also, by the way, just a second ago.

Speaker 3 I saw Liam put up an Instagram story of you, Big Cat. I don't know if it was the camera angle, but it looks like you're sitting at a kiddie desk.
Well, Liam,

Speaker 3 not to incriminate ourselves,

Speaker 3 he ripped a nightstand off the wall for what I'm used to right now.

Speaker 3 My knees are in, like, there's nails in here that he ripped off the wall.

Speaker 3 For the love of the game,

Speaker 3 I sat down and I looked, and it's just,

Speaker 3 it's like a piece of wood dangling off the wall. I was like, did you rip this off the wall? All right, wait.
Go on, PFD.

Speaker 5 we have an update here from lipscomb academy football a statement from our head coach trend dolfer on on the viral video going around

Speaker 5 i want to address the incident on our sideline memes don't even think about it don't i know where your head went memes immediately during friday night's game versus independence that has drawn a lot of attention first and foremost i take full responsibility as a head coach and leader of our team for not de-escalating an emotional situation with one of our players bo dawson bo is one of our finest student athletes and embodies all the characteristics we're looking for in our Mustang players.

Speaker 5 He plays the game with the right kind of passion and is an inspiration to other players.

Speaker 5 During a moment of frustration in an attempt to get our team to play with more discipline, I unfairly singled Bo out.

Speaker 5 Somehow, Bo has been portrayed publicly as the culprit, when in reality, I should have been a better leader and showed greater wisdom and discernment in how I handled this incident.

Speaker 5 Overall, I could not be more proud of Bo and the rest of our team for how they handle the emotional nature of each game they compete in.

Speaker 5 That's a good signal.

Speaker 5 That's Trent jumping on a grenade for Bo.

Speaker 3 What was the score of the game?

Speaker 8 Because I have a feeling it was a blowout.

Speaker 3 I think I saw that they've won their two games by like 100%. Yeah, they're probably blowing the other team out, and they wanted to keep it cordial.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Bo probably wanted to get back into the game because he's such a competitor. And Trent was like, you stay on the sideline.
We have class at this program, young man.

Speaker 3 And I still feel like, I feel like if we ever interviewed Trent Tilfer, he would say it didn't happen. But the story of him asking for the private jet is like so

Speaker 3 funniest the funniest story of any espn personality of all time yeah all-time all-time miscalculation of knowing your worth yeah

Speaker 5 that's it that's my who's all right uh pft good who's back hank thanks good who good who's back got the discussion going um my who's back of the week is giant thermometers number one giant thermometers were out in full force this weekend we saw one out in fresno the temperature on the field was like 135 degrees and when they say on the field I realize now they literally mean on the, they're measuring the temperature of the black pellets that are on the football field because they lay the giant thermometer down like in the turf.

Speaker 5 They don't just like hold it next to themselves. So it was like 130 degrees down on the field and 90 degrees in the air.
And as Big Cat said earlier, it was melting people's cleats. which

Speaker 5 doesn't seem safe to get tackled on, doesn't seem safe to play on.

Speaker 5 But I just, I love the giant thermometers. Then there was a second giant thermometer.
I think that one was more like 80 degrees, 85 degrees.

Speaker 5 But you get kind of bookended in football season by giant thermometers. At the start, they're like, holy shit, the field is 130 miles an hour or 130 degrees.

Speaker 5 Then at the end of the season, the giant thermometers come back out again in the playoffs when they're like, can you believe it?

Speaker 5 It's negative five degrees here in Foxborough, Massachusetts, and the Dolphins don't have a chance, like that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes. Giant thermometers are definitely bad.

Speaker 5 Love giant thermometers. And then I had one more who's back, just football guy's back in general.
Brian Harson is back.

Speaker 5 So in case you've forgotten about Brian Harson, he is coaching now at Auburn. Yeah, so he said

Speaker 5 that he's sick of his players taking the elevator, and he wants a blue-collar mentality on the team. And so

Speaker 5 he installed a sign in the elevator of the athletic complex saying it's for injured players only. Everyone else has to take the stairs.

Speaker 5 So no one else, this is such a classic football guy thing, too, because I guarantee he thinks of everything literally.

Speaker 5 So, when he's like, you know what, you can't skip any steps on the path to excellence, so you can't skip any steps in my practice facility.

Speaker 3 It is like Josh Hypo that we talked about last week, that he likes the enthusiasm that his players are taking the stairs, like how they're walking up the stairs.

Speaker 3 It just, every time we hear something like this, it makes you realize why Nick Sabin just keeps kicking everyone's teeth in. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because, like, these guys are worrying about elevators and stairs, and Nick Sabin is just rolling out five-star recruits and first-round draft picks and just demolishing everyone.

Speaker 5 Yeah, if Nick Saban figured out teleportation, he would just teleport his players from the weight room to the practice room or the practice field to the film room to the cold tub.

Speaker 5 And he doesn't give a shit how you get around the place. He's just like, okay, we're going to be better, faster, stronger than everybody.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes. All right, my Who's Back of the Week? Two of them.
One is Kanye. Donda finally dropped.
I listened to it once through. I like it.
I think it's good. There's some good songs on it.

Speaker 3 I know that Kanye has,

Speaker 3 if you throw out an opinion on Kanye, like I just tweeted simply, I like Donda, because I listened it one time through and I thought there was, I don't know, five or six songs that I liked and a couple that I really liked.

Speaker 3 And I just had to mute the conversation because there's just, if you have an opinion on Kanye in any form online, it's just an immediate lightning rod.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's okay. That's my official review.
Donda, it's okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I liked it. I liked a couple songs.
I mean, there's like 40 songs on there, so if there's a couple bangers, why not?

Speaker 5 There's a lot of filler. I feel like Kanye wrote this album and he envisioned, like, he envisioned it being a soundtrack to a movie that he has not produced yet.
And so, which is coming.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm sure there'll be

Speaker 5 an accompanying film that goes along with it. So there's a bunch of stuff on the album that's like people chanting or just songs that aren't really songs, but kind of like background stuff.

Speaker 5 But yeah, you're right. There are a couple good tracks on there, so I'm glad that he's back making music again.
That's what I'll say.

Speaker 5 Welcome back, Kanye.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. And then my other who's back is: so, obviously, right now we're recording this in the middle of the hurricane that's hitting Louisiana.

Speaker 3 We have friends in Louisiana, we love Louisiana, so we're hoping everything's okay. But the who's back that's related to that is

Speaker 3 fans of rival teams taking it one step further. We always joke about fans who throw out the like, hey, as a Jets fan, like I hope Saquon Barkley gets better.

Speaker 3 People are actually doing this for the hurricane. So the Saints tweeted out like praying for the Gulf Coast and the region as Hurricane Ida makes landfall, which makes sense.

Speaker 3 There are people in the replies who are like Falcons fan here, praying for the best possible outcome. I just,

Speaker 3 I'm blown away with the fact that a Falcons fan can actually pray that people don't die, even though they do have a rivalry. Like, Falcons fan here, I'm just scrolling through it.
Falcons fan here.

Speaker 3 It's just

Speaker 3 Bucks fan praying for you guys. We have been there.
Like, this is Broncos fan here. Please take care of the animals over there.
Stay safe. Giants fan here.
Please stay safe.

Speaker 3 Why are people announcing their fandom when it's not a game? Not a game. Literal lives are like at risk right now.
Not a game.

Speaker 3 We're not talking about an injury in a game. We're talking about a hurricane that's going to devastate people's homes.
And they're like, hey, just a hands up.

Speaker 3 Just so you know, Broncos fan coming in peace.

Speaker 5 Hope no one dies. That's what I like the best.
I want to see what's going on in the LSU Reddit pages where it's like, hey, Auburn fan coming in peace here. Just want to say, hope nobody dies.

Speaker 5 Yeah, right. If you could give me some upvotes, I would appreciate it.
What else do I have to say?

Speaker 3 I fucking hate you guys on the football field, but I I hope your house doesn't get flooded and you can't afford to fix it.

Speaker 5 Just want to say, what?

Speaker 5 Even though I might pull for the gators, I want to say that I hope your grandparents can still breathe.

Speaker 3 It's fucking unbelievable. Sportsmanship.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's triple sportsman.

Speaker 3 It's unbelievable sportsmanship. And I sort of shake these people and be like, what are you talking about right now?

Speaker 3 You don't have to announce who you root for when you're rooting for humanity.

Speaker 5 Although, I do think that every time they write an article in the paper about somebody who's arrested for a heinous crime, they should preface it with what team that person roots for the most. Yes.

Speaker 5 So it's like Pittsburgh Pirates fan arrested for human trafficking.

Speaker 3 Yes. Absolutely.
All right. Jake.

Speaker 7 My who's back is murder hornets. So these things first popped up in early 2020, and we kind of forgot about them because of COVID.

Speaker 5 You forgot about them.

Speaker 3 Now you've been on high alert.

Speaker 5 I've remained vigilant.

Speaker 7 All right. Well, unfortunately, they're back.

Speaker 7 The first nest was eradicated in Washington, so that's good news, but I'm sure Billy is on the lookout for more.

Speaker 3 Have they done any murders? I don't think so.

Speaker 3 So they're not the hornets.

Speaker 7 I like the one, the one single hornet thing just cracks me up every time.

Speaker 3 Well, one act, it's true.

Speaker 5 One single murder hornet can take out an entire hive of honeybees. So it's bad news if you're a honeybee in the greater Seattle area.

Speaker 5 But besides that, the chances of you being killed by a murder hornet are actually less than the chances of you being struck by lightning when you're going outside to look for murder hornets.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I actually have the the reason why they're called murder hornets. They're actually Asian giant hornets.

Speaker 7 They got the nickname murder hornets because they enter a, quote, slaughter phase where they kill bees by decapitating them.

Speaker 5 This metal isn't. So they don't.

Speaker 3 So that's not. That's not us.
They don't murder us.

Speaker 8 No, when we were talking about it last year, they kill like 50 to 100 people a year in Asia.

Speaker 8 They have numbers up.

Speaker 3 But that's... But Billy, that's people who are allergic to bees.

Speaker 8 No, no, but like if they were to have a wide state.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they're not decapitating humans. No, they're staying human.
Yeah, but bees, yeah, but bees kill people too.

Speaker 3 Like, that would be like me saying, hey, hey, this Jiffy over here, it's murder peanut butter.

Speaker 3 That's the same thing. It kills people.
I think it also.

Speaker 3 Is it Jiff? Is it Jif? It's Giphy. Oh, it's Giffy.
Yeah, yeah. But that's, like, that would be the same thing.
Like, oh, this shrimp cocktail, it's murder shrimp cocktail.

Speaker 3 Because it kills 20 people a year.

Speaker 8 But they actively seek out to sting.

Speaker 3 Who?

Speaker 8 I think it also kills people who aren't allergic. I think it's like their venom is bad.

Speaker 5 I think you could probably die if you got stung enough, but you'd have to be a real idiot to like if a if a swarm of murder hornets started to follow me, I would simply walk away from the bees.

Speaker 3 I'd simply grab a hose

Speaker 3 and nuke them.

Speaker 5 You know what I would do? It's very easy. You just lift your shirt up over your head and then you walk away.

Speaker 3 That's it. Foolproof.
Punch them in the face.

Speaker 8 Well, tease their own.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 5 I jump into a lake.

Speaker 8 That actually doesn't work.

Speaker 3 Why not?

Speaker 8 Like, they wait for you above the water.

Speaker 5 No, they don't. Yeah, they do.
No, they don't.

Speaker 5 They don't have memories.

Speaker 8 They do. No, they don't.

Speaker 5 They're relentless.

Speaker 3 Billy, you don't know.

Speaker 5 That's actually true.

Speaker 8 They myth-busted it. I'm pretty sure.
Really?

Speaker 3 The bees waiting for people above the water.

Speaker 3 I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 5 They just did a study that came out.

Speaker 3 I'm scared.

Speaker 5 If you go into a lake, the bees are still going to be Siebs.

Speaker 3 You could be right, Billy, but your ability to be super confident and then just add a, I'm pretty sure,

Speaker 3 at the end is always amazing.

Speaker 3 All right, Billy, who's your who's back?

Speaker 8 My who's back is the natural order of things.

Speaker 8 Unfortunately, as we see, Trevor Lawrence will be the starter on the Jaguars, and unfortunately, Sam Ellinger is out with a tweaked ACL, sprained ACL, so he will not be starting the Sam Ellinger beating out Trevor Lawrence

Speaker 8 prediction has not come true.

Speaker 3 For now.

Speaker 3 You had your week, though. That was a great week.

Speaker 8 Did you see his spin move out of the sack to the wheel route up the sideline this weekend? Like, that was amazing.

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, so far, what we've seen on tape, I think Billy was right.

Speaker 5 I don't think that you can make an argument that Billy was wrong in his assessment based on what we've seen at the NFL level so far.

Speaker 3 Exactly. Yeah, and Billy,

Speaker 3 you should not feel down about yourself because when you make a take like that that is so out out there the fact that you even have like a percent to stand on right now is incredible like that week was incredible for you it was awesome like it was the highlights were amazing lighted up so you you you you deserve credit for that um all right let's get to our interview we got kirk herb street coming up awesome interview talk college football his new book uh some life stuff lee corso what's up guys it's big cat here making my irish entrance with proper number 12 Irish whiskey.

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Speaker 3 Okay, here he is, Kirk Herbstreet.

Speaker 3 Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest, Kirk Herbstreet. College football is back.
Also, he's got a new book. It's called Out of the Pocket, Football, Fatherhood, and College Game Day Saturdays.

Speaker 3 So I have some questions about the book, but I wanted to talk about football first. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, college football is back. What

Speaker 3 walk me through the levels of excitement and what goes through your mind when we get closer and closer and then eventually get to that point of, okay, it's college game day. We're here.

Speaker 3 We've made it through the summer. Are you like at the end of August, like, you know, just jumping, like, ready to go?

Speaker 10 I don't know how you guys feel. I don't know if I've ever looked forward to a season more than right now.

Speaker 10 Like, I'm watching the College World Series and watching some of those baseball crowds and the beer flying and water flying on home runs. I mean, I was thinking that was college baseball.

Speaker 10 I was like, I can't even imagine what college football is going to be like on these campuses. So I'm fired up.
It was dreadful to call games and empty stadiums.

Speaker 10 and not have the normal, like going to Madison and seeing tailgating and just feeling that energy leading up to a game and doing the game.

Speaker 10 As you guys know, I mean, the NFL is great, but the college game just offers a whole different level of energy. And

Speaker 10 to not have it a year ago makes me, I think, that much more amped up for it this year.

Speaker 3 It's absolutely true. College football and basketball, you need the fans because, you know, a lot of people who are not college football fans will be like, why do you watch?

Speaker 3 There's only three teams that can win it every year. Well, I watch.

Speaker 3 partially and i and i'm a fan partially because of the game day experience and everything that goes into it tradition all all those things. So not having like the bands was terrible.

Speaker 10 Man, first of all, anybody who says, why do you watch it? Because there's three teams that can win it. I don't know.
I don't really watch football because it's all about a championship.

Speaker 10 Like I watch it because I like to watch a good game. You know,

Speaker 10 I like whether you're betting on it or you're just watching it.

Speaker 10 I don't think it matters. You know, the postseason sucks.
I mean, we have to fix it. It's got to get better.
The best regular season, the worst postseason right now in sports. So that has to be fixed.

Speaker 10 But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy when teams get together.

Speaker 10 Like you said, whether it's tradition or it's a rivalry or it's a hyped up crowd, you know, like you go to Iowa City, for example, or you go to anywhere, you know, I mean, anywhere where it's a full stadium and people that are lunatics that are just passionate about their team and a good team goes on the road into that environment, it's fun to watch.

Speaker 10 So it's just competition, you know, if you don't enjoy competition, then you probably won't like college football.

Speaker 5 Yeah, if you watch Iowa and Iowa State play like week two and you're like, well, this doesn't matter because neither of these teams is Alabama, you got a big dump in your pants.

Speaker 5 Like sports probably isn't your thing to begin with if that's what you're going to hold it up over.

Speaker 5 And when it comes to like having the fans and the passion in the crowds, when you were broadcasting, could you, did you hear the like overdubbed

Speaker 5 like fan fan noise that they would put in? Was that coming through your headset? Did they pipe that in through the speakers in the stadium?

Speaker 10 yeah i mean i think i'm when i did the nfl game uh with the giants and the steelers it met life i think it was into the into the stadium you you could feel that um a lot of the college i did a handful of college games where there was just nothing i'm telling you it was the most bizarre thing to just have no reaction you know like like we did a michigan might have been michigan minnesota Michigan, Wisconsin.

Speaker 10 I can't remember who it was.

Speaker 10 And it was family that was the only ones allowed, moms and dads.

Speaker 10 And it was, I don't know, a couple hundred people in the stands. And there was no, there was no crowd noise dubbed in.
So the games where you heard crowd noise, and at least the college games,

Speaker 10 it was just, as far as my experience, it was what was in the stadium. Something, you know, I did a Georgia game.

Speaker 10 and it was 20% full and it the noise was amplified because you're used to a dead stadium and it was 20,000 people in there and it was really really loud that was actual fans.

Speaker 10 But yeah, I think the NFL is the only ones that work their NFL, you know,

Speaker 10 another level of technology. They work their crowds into the, into the, into the broadcast itself.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the Falcons have been doing that for years.

Speaker 3 They've just been pumping that in. They've got experience with that.

Speaker 5 I'm glad you brought up the NFL thing, though. Are you going to do another game this year?

Speaker 10 I think we are. You know, within going to week 17, remember ESPN used to have that doubleheader at the beginning of the year.
That was the game we called last year with the Steelers and Giants.

Speaker 10 This year, it's week 17, I think they're going to to push us to the end of the year. So it'll be the last week of the regular season games.

Speaker 10 I think we're going to do a game that week and then, you know, where it'll go from there, I'm not real sure.

Speaker 3 All right. So conference realignment.
I know that you have no say.

Speaker 3 I know that you may not even know what exactly is going to go on, but in times of trouble, we always look to someone else to tell us it's going to be okay.

Speaker 3 So tell me it's going to be okay because I'm a realist.

Speaker 3 In terms of the Big Ten, if Ohio State wants to do something, they can do it. They are the Big Ten at this point in terms of the national, like, you know, sitting at that table with the big dogs.

Speaker 3 So tell me it's going to be okay. Tell me Ohio State is happy and they're not going to rock the boat and everything's going to be fine.

Speaker 10 I don't think Ohio State or Michigan would ever pull themselves out of the Big Ten.

Speaker 10 You know, I think, I think what you're going to have, my guess would be what we'll have, is these four super conferences.

Speaker 10 You know, I wouldn't be shocked to see us get to these four 16 team conferences.

Speaker 10 I don't know what's going to happen to what's left of the Big 12. I don't know if some of them joined the Big 10, some joined the PAC-12, but I can see three years from now there being a PAC-16.

Speaker 10 You know, the SEC has 16, the Big Ten has 16, the ACC has 16.

Speaker 10 And they pull away from the NCAA. They create their own governing body, their own land, their own world.

Speaker 10 What I think is essential is I don't know how you guys feel, but Roger Goodell, you guys love him, you hate him. I know you guys hate him.

Speaker 10 But the thing about this, at least you have one voice as the commissioner of the NFL. Roger Goodell is not the commissioner of the NFC South or the commissioner of the AFC West.

Speaker 10 Roger Goodell is the commissioner of the NFL. College football, we have Greg Sankey, who's worried about his own backyard, right?

Speaker 10 He's worried about Texas and Oklahoma coming into his yard, his constituents, his coaches, his presidents, his ADs, his fans, his players.

Speaker 10 The guy out in the Pac-12, he's worried about his little world. Kevin Warren's worried about the Big Ten.
We've got to find a commissioner of college football. One voice.

Speaker 10 All these other conference commissioners report to him. He makes a unilateral decision for what's best for the game to move forward.

Speaker 10 We cannot continue to have people who don't trust each other, who are looking over their shoulder. This guy wronged me.
What are we going to do about this? And only worry about their little world.

Speaker 10 We have to find a voice that worries about the whole sport.

Speaker 3 So are you going to do that job? Because

Speaker 3 I agree with you.

Speaker 3 I think the problem right now is we went through the big conference realignment, whatever it was a decade ago, or I can't remember, but it's more just like feeling like there's a never-ending feeling to it where it's like, this now is happening.

Speaker 3 So there's going to be dominoes. And then in 10 years from now, it could happen again.
So I'm with you.

Speaker 3 I just, I want to have like, hey, here's here's the plan here's what it is this is set we're not going to be changing it every 10 years and being worried about some team leaving our league or you know a super league being created just give me the the the knowledge that like we're okay going forward so i think you should do the job i think you just created a job for yourself i'm i'm voting for you Well, Bitcap, we need closure is what you're saying.

Speaker 10 We need to be done with this. It's ridiculous.
You know, when Nebraska, schools like Nebraska left their region, West Virginia left, going further back.

Speaker 10 Remember when Virginia Tech and Miami used to be in the big east? And, you know, once that started to crack, everything started to get kind of wacky. And so I'm with you.

Speaker 10 We need to get through this, wherever we're going. I have no idea where we're headed, but wherever we're headed, hopefully within a couple, two to three years.
It's done, right?

Speaker 10 And then I wouldn't be shocked. You imagine them pulling out of the NCAA.
It feels like that, right? I mean, it just feels like they're going to go do their own thing.

Speaker 5 The NCAA is kind of a fake committee.

Speaker 5 It's just like people that have managed to seize power for a certain amount of time and everybody else agrees, yeah, we'll operate under the NCAA's guidelines if it means that we can keep making money and playing sports against each other.

Speaker 5 But in reality, there's no real loyalty there.

Speaker 10 Yeah. And I also think it's just archaic, right? I think the rule book that they have and when those rules were written, many of them don't apply to what's happening in 2021.

Speaker 10 So either blow the NCAA up and start over, or you pull out.

Speaker 10 Like what Cornell or Colgate are doing shouldn't apply to what Alabama and Wisconsin and Ohio State are doing.

Speaker 10 It's just a very different model today versus where sports were

Speaker 10 decades and decades ago.

Speaker 3 It should honestly just be football.

Speaker 3 Football should just pull out. The NCAA can stay for all the other sports because that's really what it boils down to is you're treating football like every other sport.

Speaker 3 And it's not even like comparable i love college basketball i eat up college basketball they're not comparable like in terms of money makers so football is is driving everything here that's why you see the realignment so just separate football from everything else it's not the same and they shouldn't be treated

Speaker 10 i'm like you guys like college basketball for me man I used to be able to watch a big Monday.

Speaker 10 Like I used to be able to, I'm a little older than you guys, but when like Georgetown used to play Syracuse or Kansas used to play Oklahoma, those were games that it didn't matter about March Madness or it was just, it was a great scene.

Speaker 10 It was a great atmosphere. It was just a great game.
Like we were talking about earlier with football.

Speaker 10 And I'm not saying those games still don't exist, but man, I used to know players that played all over the country. I knew their names.

Speaker 10 I could tell you their strengths and weaknesses just by being a fan. I don't know anybody hardly anymore in college basketball.
Like

Speaker 10 they're not there long enough. They're there for like a semester and they're gone.
And so I think that sport has really been struggling lately.

Speaker 10 And to your point, college football generates, I think, 85% of the revenue compared to 15%

Speaker 10 for college basketball, which is just mind-boggling to think.

Speaker 5 Yeah. So give me some names.
Who do you think would make a good college football commissioner? Because I think like Oliver Luck would probably make a pretty good one, right?

Speaker 10 Yeah. I mean, the name that jumps out to me initially is there are two guys.
Greg Sankey is the most powerful man right now probably did the best job.

Speaker 10 He's the commissioner of the SEC, probably did the best job of leadership through the global pandemic. He would be the first name that would probably surface, that would be a likely candidate.

Speaker 10 The next would be Jim Delaney, who was at the Big Ten and retired, you know, just to see about his health and how he's feeling and what he's interested in doing.

Speaker 10 But he's a very powerful, assertive personality and a guy that at the very least should be a consultant that you'd want to talk to.

Speaker 10 And then an outlier to me would be Gene Smith, the athletic director at Ohio State,

Speaker 10 who has been around and done a lot of things. He went to Notre Dame.

Speaker 10 He's been all over the country in different leadership roles. He would definitely be a name that I think would pop up.

Speaker 5 So what does Notre Dame do? Notre Dame should honestly just be the only team that stays in the NCAA.

Speaker 5 Then they get to claim NCAA championships moving forward.

Speaker 10 You guys aren't big Notre Dame guys, huh?

Speaker 5 Not so much.

Speaker 5 I like making fun of of Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 Notre Dame's great when they're both the cathedral and the team.

Speaker 5 Yeah, especially the cathedral, but like when they're relevant enough to be disappointing. That's when I, that's the exact

Speaker 10 thing.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm in the camp of like Notre Dame is, it's always better when they're in the conversation. I love traditional powerhouse being in the conversation.

Speaker 3 I don't want them to win at all because it is fun watching the disappointment, but I do want them to be good.

Speaker 10 I'll say this, though, because I'm like you guys. Sometimes I get annoyed because Notre Dame seems to get the advantage or gets a lot of hype and when they don't necessarily deserve it.

Speaker 10 But Brian Kelly in the last couple years, it doesn't it feel just a little different? Like when Notre Dame takes the field right now, it started for me when they went to Athens.

Speaker 10 Like, I want to say it was three years ago. And I'm thinking, okay, Notre Dame, now we're going to see what's up.

Speaker 10 And they battled their asses off on the road at Georgia against a good Georgia team and it looked athletic. I mean, they looked really good in that game.
And And that's what it just felt like. Hmm.

Speaker 10 Because I did the Miami-Notre Dame game about four years ago, and it was a bloodbath. I mean, they got blown out down at Miami.
But the last two or three years, I don't know.

Speaker 10 I just feel like he's recruiting at a different level. And I think they're just, they found their niche on how to recruit.
We don't need to try to be Alabama or Ohio State.

Speaker 10 We're going to recruit tight ends. We're going to recruit like Wisconsin.
We're going to get good linemen. We're going to get good running backs and a smart quarterback.
And we can win by doing that.

Speaker 10 I don't know. I'm kind of high on Notre Dame these last couple of years.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they've been fantastic. The problem that Notre Dame runs into, and it's not really fair to Brian Kelly because we think of him as like, oh, like we haven't been able to get over the top.

Speaker 3 Notre Dame is compared to Alabama, Ohio State, and Clemson. And those three teams are on a completely different stratosphere.
So like Notre Dame's been fantastic. They've had great seasons.

Speaker 3 They've had great football teams. They just are missing those one.
I actually think that Notre Dame is just missing that one like super dynamic five-star quarterback.

Speaker 3 If they can recruit that guy and like a Trevor Lawrence or a Tua, that will take him over the top because the rest of the roster is kind of there.

Speaker 10 That's fair. That's fair.
I thought Ian Book was solid. I mean, he was, he was, he made the most out of what he had.
He was a kind of a winner, kind of a gym rat type of kid.

Speaker 10 But what you're talking about is another level. You're talking about a guy that could be the first pick over on the draft.
I mean, that's, that's an elite guy. And you're right.

Speaker 10 They've not had that for a long time.

Speaker 3 Speaking of like roster construction, Texas and Oklahoma, obviously we just talked about realignment going to the SEC.

Speaker 3 How long do you think it will take them to like get up to par with the rest of the SEC in terms of line play?

Speaker 3 Because that's always, to me, the big difference when you go from that, make that jump to the SEC where they got, you know, eight guys who can all, you know, run crazy 40s and are 300 pounds and get after the quarterback and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 So how long do you think it's going to take for them to get to that level roster wise?

Speaker 10 Number one, I totally agree. I think defensive line plays is the difference and the elite SEC teams and the consistency of those teams.
I think Oklahoma's made strides.

Speaker 10 You know, I think Oklahoma with Lincoln Riley, they're always going to recruit offense. They're always going to be able to score.
And I don't think that'll change by going into the SEC.

Speaker 10 They're going to have to go to a different level as far as that defensive line and being able to get, instead of one or two, you're going to have to find five or six guys that are difference makers i think they'll i'd be surprised if they don't hit the ground running that that's an impressive brand to me and they got great leadership texas is a wild card man i mean they are kind of the dallas cowboys of college football with the dallas cowboys i don't know you guys tell me you guys know this world better than me if the if all the nfl teams were for sale are the cowboys the most expensive yeah yeah probably yeah

Speaker 10 what was the last time they mattered on the field like when was the last time I mean, you guys, I don't even know if you were born the last time they mattered.

Speaker 10 It's probably back to the mid-90s. It's been a long, long time since Troy Aikman, Emmett Smith, and Mike Warwin, and yet they are still the Dallas Cowboys.
Texas feels the same way to me.

Speaker 10 Like, Texas has not really been Texas since Mac Brown, maybe back in 09, when they were in the national championship. They've had some decent teams since then, but.

Speaker 10 It's a pretty good run between, you know, when they were relevant to now, and yet their brand is still as big a deal as it's ever been. And now you have Sark that gets thrown into it.

Speaker 10 Sark left Nick Saban, and he's one of the hottest play callers in the country.

Speaker 10 And he's going to take that Nick Sabin blueprint, along with a little bit of Pete Carroll mixed into it, and take it into Austin.

Speaker 10 We can predict, we can throw it against the wall, what we think he's going to do. I think he's going to do well, but no one's been able to win in Texas, like for a long time.
So

Speaker 10 I think it'll take them, obviously, a much longer time.

Speaker 10 But I got confidence in Sark that he's going to be able to get them going. I just don't know how long that will take.
Are they up and running by the time they go into the SEC?

Speaker 10 Are they going to have to try to grow once they get into that confidence?

Speaker 5 That's what I think is going to be the key because, yeah, like Charlie Strong. Tom Herman, they both seemed like great hires at the time.
Both those guys.

Speaker 5 They both had proven track records, not only of being a great college coach, but also the recruiting aspect that goes into it.

Speaker 5 And then, for whatever reason, maybe it's the power struggles behind the scenes in Austin that they weren't fully able to master all that.

Speaker 5 You know, some of the off-the-field stuff, it wasn't able to work out. So, I'm with you.

Speaker 5 I feel like if Sark doesn't get it going before they get into the SEC, they're not going to be able to immediately capitalize on pulling some of those great recruits out just by being like, hey, we're Texas, we're in the SEC, come play for us.

Speaker 10 I talked to a guy one time at Texas, and he said, you know how Jerry Jones is the owner of the Cowboys? He said the Texas Longhorns have like nine Jerry Jones.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 when you're winning, it's probably not a better place to be a winning head coach than to deal

Speaker 10 with the underbelly of Texas. But when you start to lose, it can get ugly and it can get ugly in a hurry.

Speaker 10 And those people that were inviting you to those cocktail parties are now talking behind your back. And so

Speaker 10 there's a lot of potential toxic relationships that can go on if everything, you're not checking every box. Sark knew that before he went.

Speaker 10 He talked with them when he went into his interview and he addressed all of those things. So I don't know how you handle that.

Speaker 10 I don't know how you control that, but that's what's pretty much eaten the head coach alive.

Speaker 10 I remember Red McCombs, when Charlie Strong got done with his opening press conference, said, yeah, I don't think we made a good call here. It's like

Speaker 10 he hadn't even recruited one player yet red mccomb says like charlie strong you know what i thought he would be a great coordinator yeah right right tom herman was supposed to be the perfect hire that was the guy the story and everything yeah and i know i mean he was he was the if he wasn't going to texas he was going to usc i mean he was he was the hottest name there was And you could see what that, what it did to him.

Speaker 10 So it's not as easy as, I mean, you would think, like, you guys been to Austin? I mean, you see their facilities. You see that campus.
You see that city.

Speaker 10 It's like the best city, one of the best in America, most beautiful facilities, the high school football in that state, legendary. I mean, it's all, it's all like you would think an autopilot.

Speaker 10 And yet you get down there and you're just wondering, like, okay, how come Mac Brown wasn't able to keep it going?

Speaker 10 And how come Charlie Strong, who was like the man at Louisville and did great things, he had no chance.

Speaker 10 And Tom Herman, who was this camp miss hot shot, young, up-and-coming head coach, he had no chance either. So there must be more to it than just recruiting and the city and the facilities.
So

Speaker 10 hopefully SART can get it going.

Speaker 3 I mean, just to add to the point, you can learn everything about the politics of coaching in Texas when Shaka Smart. basketball

Speaker 10 was a slam dunk hire and he just left for Marquette, which is, you know, it's deemed as a downgrade, but it's like he couldn't juggle all the things that go into being a head coach at texas one thing i'll add to this just as like a little bit of a caveat they're they're not as passionate about sports i don't know if they have other you know how michigan they have great fans but like compared to madison or state college or columbus or iowa it's almost like yeah you know we went to the game but we're you know we're running companies and we're doing other things we got other things going on besides football our our lives you know are are bigger than if we we went on a Saturday.

Speaker 10 Well, in Columbus and Madison and State College, their lives that next week are predicated upon what happened last Saturday. In Michigan, they got more things going on, it seems like.

Speaker 10 That's what Texas feels like when you go to Austin. Like they'll show up and if the team's winning, it's a fun thing to do, they'll go to the game.

Speaker 10 But like you go to A ⁇ M, holy cow, Texas A ⁇ M, it's a religion, right?

Speaker 3 It's the only thing.

Speaker 10 And so I don't know, I don't know if the passion and the support is in Austin the way it is in some of these other places.

Speaker 5 I think it is, but it would need to get back to a level where, like, towards the end of the Mac Brown era, or I guess right before he started to tail off, like late 2000s, I was living in Austin for, I think, nine years.

Speaker 5 And when the team was good, it was very much a longhorn town. Like the town.
I totally agree. It would shut down, but the second they start getting to that like 500 level, you're right.

Speaker 5 There's a million other things to do in that town. Yeah.
And you totally lose the focus on it.

Speaker 3 And that's your point. Yeah.
You're not saying

Speaker 10 Vince Young and you got Cole McCoy and you're ranked third in the country or first in the country and there's big plays and big action and it's a fun thing to do. Yeah.
Absolutely.

Speaker 10 What I'm talking about is when it's not that yes, you know, like, like, you got to, you know, if Texas AM, they got Johnny Manzel. Yeah, it's off the charts.

Speaker 10 But when Johnny Menzel leaves, they're coming back that next year ready to roll. You know what I mean? Like there's no, there's no, there's no dips at College Station.

Speaker 10 And in Austin, you got to, you got to sell them on, hey, we're a top 10 team, and then

Speaker 10 they're going to come and be crazy.

Speaker 10 But you wish it would be more of a proactive kind of crowd.

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Speaker 5 Now here's more, Kirk Herb Street.

Speaker 3 All right, so NIL, I know you've talked about it, ad nauseum. I, you know, we all kind of, I I think all agree, it's great that the kids are getting paid.

Speaker 3 I want to ask you a question, maybe you haven't been asked.

Speaker 3 Kirk Herb Street, 20-year-old at Columbus, Ohio, what is your first NIL deal that you sign?

Speaker 3 So whether it be a restaurant or a car dealership, and I'm talking back then, not now, but back then, what was the place that you would have been like,

Speaker 3 I want to get 200 bucks to, and there's no Twitter, there's no Instagram, maybe do a commercial.

Speaker 10 Yeah, man, I came from very little money. So I was driving a 1978 Toyota Celica when I went to school there.
And when I finished school there.

Speaker 10 So I would have been as, you know, by the senior year, starting and the captain of the team, I would have been looking for a car deal. Like I would have been trying to get,

Speaker 10 why not shoot for the moon, right?

Speaker 10 But other than that, I would have been looking for. any kind of commercial that I could have done.

Speaker 10 If I would have gotten $200 back in 1992, I wouldn't, I would have been out of my mind fired up about $200.

Speaker 10 So, yeah, I, I, but I don't know, other than a car, probably a good pizza. Yeah, I love pizza, man.
So, I'd be, I'd be looking for some free pizza.

Speaker 10 If I had free pizza in a car, you'd never hear a word from me.

Speaker 3 That is like a college kid's dream.

Speaker 5 Yeah, or like, yeah, hey, I'm Herbie. Welcome to my dispensary.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 5 that would be a good one, too. Yeah,

Speaker 5 that might be a more modern day one now that things are loosened up a little bit.

Speaker 5 So, I was reading a little bit of the book. It's called Out of the Pocket.
You should check it out. Kirk Herbstreet with Gene Wojahowski.

Speaker 5 And, well, I'll be honest, I read the back of the book. And then I opened it up at random and I read one of the pages, but I saw a name on there that I wanted to talk to you about a little bit.

Speaker 5 Lee Corso, your good friend. You two have been inseparable for the last, it feels like forever that you guys have been on TV together.

Speaker 5 And one thing that I thought Lee always did a great job, and I don't know if we'd be talking to Kirk Herbstreet right now if it wasn't for Lee Corso, because when they brought you on ESPN, you were the very serious guy.

Speaker 5 You had, you know, for lack of a better description, like you took yourself seriously as like a football guy. Like you were going to break down film and nobody really knew the personal side of you.

Speaker 5 We just knew you as, oh, this is Captain America from Ohio State.

Speaker 5 And then you'd get teamed up with Lee Corso, and he kind of like pokes a little hole in that, like by making little jabs here and there or joking around with you.

Speaker 5 And he actually got America to see your personality. Whereas before, your personality was just football.

Speaker 5 And I'm curious if you remember when you first sat down with Lee, the second you kind of felt comfortable around him and you knew that you could kind of, you were going to be able to show more of your own personality because of what he brought out of you.

Speaker 10 Man, that's a great observation and it's, and it's dead on. I didn't look at myself, I didn't take myself ever too seriously, but it was more of, I thought I was hired to be an analyst.

Speaker 10 You got to go back, this is 1996, and there weren't a a lot of studio shows on TV.

Speaker 10 And they hired me, I thought, to break down film and be a football analyst. And I remember one game we had to get ready for a bowl show, and we only had like an hour and a half to get ready.

Speaker 10 We were going to do like 35 bowl games. And I'm me, and I had Felika digging in, and I'm going over every game, and I'm going over all these notes.

Speaker 10 And I'm like out of breath, like, here we go, here we go. And we do Michigan and Arkansas, and I talk about it in the book.

Speaker 10 And I go into maybe a minute long on Michigan, they're offensive coordinator, and they're going to do this. And Arkansas plays four down linemen.

Speaker 10 They're going to play inverted safeties to try to stop the running game. Michigan, all this football stuff.
And Lee looks at me when I get done. He's like, are you done?

Speaker 5 And I go, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 And he goes, to me, this is Michigan and Arkansas. It's pickup trucks against the Cadillacs.
I'm going with the pickup trucks.

Speaker 3 Perfect.

Speaker 10 And I'm like, damn, are you serious?

Speaker 10 But it was moments like that that happened. It wasn't like one one thing.
It would just

Speaker 10 happen year after year, week after week. He would just kind of smack me without smacking me live on TV.
And I would just be like, I think it just over time, just like, okay.

Speaker 10 I get this, you know, like I can have some fun. I can have a little bit of personality, not be him.
Can never be him. Like, you guys are in this world of entertainment.

Speaker 10 I mean, you guys get, you can't be each other. You just got to be you.

Speaker 10 But all of a sudden, I realized I was allowed to have fun and and

Speaker 10 be if I had a thought that might be against the norm, it's okay to say it. And so I think it just happened naturally over time.
But you're right, I wouldn't be here.

Speaker 10 I wouldn't have had the career that I had if I didn't sit next to Lee Corso.

Speaker 10 It's like if somebody like Kenny Smith, if you talk to Kenny, Kenny, I bet when they talked to him, when he first became an analyst, he got done in the NBA.

Speaker 10 he thought they were hiring him to be an analyst because he's kind of a serious XO guy.

Speaker 10 Then they sat him next to Charles. And it's like Charles is saying stuff that's just off the wall, right? And you got to react to it.

Speaker 10 And so Kenny all of a sudden started to kind of have some fun and be a different guy.

Speaker 10 And I think he and I, I've never met Kenny Smith, but when I watch him, I can really relate to what his role is and how he goes through it.

Speaker 10 And thank God for Kenny and for me, we got a chance to sit next to some of the greatest entertainers. in sports television history.
So I'm a day doesn't go by that I'm not grateful for that.

Speaker 10 Because yeah, I'd still be sitting there breaking down football and being boring, which to me is not the way to go

Speaker 10 if you want a long career in those.

Speaker 5 I think that's fine, but it's also great to see somebody reacting in real time to somebody like Lee Corso or Charles Barkley, and you get to relate to that person as they're kind of going through the same emotions that you would be going to watching Lee Corso say something like Cadillac versus pickup trucks, and you get to show off a little bit.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, I think it's been

Speaker 5 a great combination seeing you guys over the years. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 3 I appreciate it, man.

Speaker 10 And, you know, when I first started, I was terrified.

Speaker 10 I was, you know, if you look around the room at ESPN, this is way back in the 90s. Everybody, even on TV today, everyone won Heismans.
They won Super Bowls.

Speaker 10 They're known for their playing days. Look at Troy Aikman, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth.
I mean, you could name all the players that are on there.

Speaker 3 No one knew.

Speaker 10 Big Cap maybe knew me coming out of the Big Ten, but like people other than the Big Ten region, they didn't know who I was.

Speaker 10 and even in the people in the big 10 i was a solid player i wasn't a superstar and usually you have to be a superstar to get a role on a desk i'm kind of an anomaly i was a solid player if you read the book i got a crazy story on where i started in the program and and kind of my road through it and how i finished but that's not the recipe typically that lands you on tv and instead of being embarrassed about that man i just hit it i i hit it directly in the middle and just decided to be a grinder you know like I'm just going to be a guy that when they might not know my name, they might not know who what I'm doing, but they're going to appreciate at least my knowledge of the sport and how much I love the sport.

Speaker 10 And that's literally when I look in the mirror today after 26 years, that's still kind of how I envision myself as a guy that's trying to make it or a guy that's trying to prove that he deserves a chance to be on the show because I didn't win a Heisman.

Speaker 10 You know, I wasn't an all-American and I'm just like a, just a dude that played the game.

Speaker 3 People should go and look up your highlight tapes because it also is a great time capsule for what college football used to look like.

Speaker 3 Because I think I watched it, I don't know, a few years ago, but I don't think you throw the ball until like the seventh or eighth highlight and you're the quarterback because you're running the option and you're running all over everyone.

Speaker 3 But that's what it was like. It was great.
It was great to like go back and be like, oh, this is kind of fun. It's different.

Speaker 10 That in shoulder pads.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 10 When you see my era, we wore big shoulder pads and those girdle pads that would stick out, you know, real high and big thigh pads. It's just such a different era.

Speaker 3 It's so crazy to think, like, if you tried to explain to someone, like, Nebraska in the 90s, and like they had Heisman quarterbacks and won national championships, and the guys didn't really throw.

Speaker 3 Like, they didn't have to throw that much, but they were incredible athletes and dynamic players. Absolutely.
It was just a throwback. So, I had a question about the book.

Speaker 3 Obviously, you talk a lot about your relationship with your father and your parents going through divorce kind of affecting you as a young child.

Speaker 3 I had a question about your job as a father and your juggling of a job that takes you away on a lot of weekends. And it's actually, I'm kind of asking for myself because I have two young children.

Speaker 3 But like, there's a lot of people who listen to this show who are parents and how you were able to juggle those two things where it's like, I think everyone gets to a point where they're like, hey, listen, I want to be around for my kids, but also there's an importance to your profession and your job and your career that you take seriously as well.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I didn't realize you had two young kids.

Speaker 10 And as your career grows and more and more opportunities are presented to you, the more you'll have to make some tough decisions on being at home and being with them, because you're going to find as they get older and they're going to want to play and they're going to do stuff, it's going to get tougher and tougher for you to pull yourself out of that environment.

Speaker 10 For me,

Speaker 10 I was very fortunate to be able to work for four months out of the year. And so for eight months out of the year, I was like Mr.
Mom. You know, I mean, I'm home nonstop seven days a week.

Speaker 10 And I took full advantage of being home. Like I was very involved as their dad.
And in the book, I talk about my dad.

Speaker 10 Once my parents divorced and my world was turned upside down,

Speaker 10 I went to like eight schools in nine years. And my dad was in and out of my life.
And I didn't have anger.

Speaker 10 I don't know if your parents are still together or not, but in my case, I didn't have anger or

Speaker 10 resentment. A lot of kids go through that.
I had more of like an emptiness. Like I wish, I wanted more of my dad.
I wish he was around. I wish he would listen when I talked with him.

Speaker 10 And so what I found was I wanted to try to fill the gaps when I had kids. And so, man, I'm just present.
You know, I try my best.

Speaker 10 I'm by far not this perfect dad, but I know one thing for sure is I've been involved in their lives.

Speaker 10 Like I, I'm, I'm not, my wife doesn't need to tell me, hey, don't forget, you know, Jake has a test on Thursday or, hey, don't forget to take him over to practice.

Speaker 10 Like I already know all that stuff because I'm, I'm living in the front row of their lives and I wanted to be able to do that. So when I had to leave,

Speaker 10 I didn't have like, man, I wish I would have done more with them kind of feel.

Speaker 10 I took advantage of the time that I had while I was home. And it made me feel okay

Speaker 10 that when I left, I left and I did my work and I grinded. And then when I came back, they were always the priority.

Speaker 10 As long as I always, in my own mind, made my kids the priority and I still had time to do my work, then like they'd go to bed and then I would crank, you know, for four or five hours or they'd go to school and I'd crank, you know, but if they were home, I never wanted them to feel like there's dad again doing work.

Speaker 10 I just didn't want to be that way. And so that's, I guess that would be the advice that I have is when you're, when you're, when you're there, be present and just make them the priority.

Speaker 3 And then you'll have you'll have no resentment just remember this man the days are long and the years are fast and that's so true when you have uh young kids yeah i i saw a quote too that summed up my life my my kids are two two and uh three months but it's my favorite my two favorite times in life are being with my kids and being without my kids and it's so true because it's like

Speaker 3 on a saturday i'm like wow there's a lot and then the minute they go to sleep i'm like i kind of want to wake them up and play with it you know and like hang out

Speaker 10 you're at two in three months, yeah.

Speaker 10 Okay, and you travel a lot for your job, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 10 we'll do it, we'll do another one of these in five years, and I promise you, you're going to be like, Yeah, I've been doing more and more on virtual lately, yeah, you know, yes, definitely.

Speaker 3 No, I already feel the pull, I know, and it's yeah, it's admirable, though, what you've been able to do because I think it's uh like being a parent is very, very difficult.

Speaker 3 So, being able to juggle both is uh credit to you.

Speaker 5 It helps to have the private jet that ESPN pays for that you get to fly around. No,

Speaker 10 they don't pay. They pay if game day is in one spot and the game I'm going to in another spot,

Speaker 10 they'll do that. But anything else is

Speaker 3 your own.

Speaker 5 I love that you constantly have to remind people that you don't, ESPN didn't actually buy you an airplane.

Speaker 3 Despite

Speaker 5 there's some other rumors that have been put out there in the past that I've heard about.

Speaker 3 I know, man.

Speaker 10 I know. I'm like, I think when

Speaker 10 not, not Sean,

Speaker 10 Dilfer, I think.

Speaker 3 And I was like, I'm like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 I mean, that peach.

Speaker 5 If you don't ask for it, you're not going to get it. So I guess I'm going to.

Speaker 10 No, I wish they flew me around privately. The only time they ever do that since I've been there is game days in Eugene, Oregon, and I'm calling a game in Austin.

Speaker 10 They'll make sure I get from point A to point B. But getting to Eugene and getting home from Austin, that's on you.
And those days are crazy.

Speaker 3 Whenever you guys do it, it kind of blows my mind where you're like, like, hey, I just saw him at Game Day in Ann Arbor. Now they're calling the 3.30 kickoff in Miami.
What the hell is going on?

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's wild. I mean, it's a buddy of mine, Darren Brown, he works at Wheels Up and he's an executive there.
And so he understands that world. But I mean, on those kind of weeks, it's game day.

Speaker 10 All right, get out. See you from Ann Arbor.
And it's like, as soon as the camera goes off, immediately security, like we go to a car, we get to a local FBO.

Speaker 10 I mean, 15, 20 minutes later, you're in the air, you're flying, and then you land and you got a group there waiting, and they just get you as fast as they can to the stadium so you're not late.

Speaker 10 Luckily, I haven't been late to a game yet, but knock on wood.

Speaker 10 Been close a couple times.

Speaker 3 Knock on wood.

Speaker 5 Has anybody suggested that you do, I don't know, like two games in a day after doing game day or like flying you out to Hawaii for the nightcap?

Speaker 10 Oh, I'd love that. That would be a lot of fun.
If Hawaii ever gets up in the top 25, I may have to do that.

Speaker 3 Yes. All All right.
So I had one last question. This has been great.
Everyone,

Speaker 3 go get the book. It's called Out of the Pocket with Kirk Herb Street.
It's football, fatherhood, and college game day Saturday. Some great stories in there.
My last question is, give us a dark horse.

Speaker 3 Give us a dark horse team that could crash the party this year because it is, there are the usual suspects that we all know, but give us the team that you maybe have seen in your research.

Speaker 3 Like, hey, if things go well here, they could be, you know, we could be talking about them in the playoff.

Speaker 10 All all right so if you're a group of five team as we've learned it's it's next to impossible to get up into the top four so how do you get into the top four remember ucf was trying to do it for years going before back to the bcs boise state all those teams i think cincinnati made huge strides a year ago And the fact that they went to the Sugar Bowl and played a powerhouse like Georgia and really outplayed them, they just didn't, they got beat at the end in a close game.

Speaker 10 But if you looked, I think in the AP, there's seven.

Speaker 10 What do you need to do when you're a group of five? You need non-conference games to show the committee that you can play with the big boys. They have two.

Speaker 10 They play at Indiana, which is the top 15 opponent. Indiana's for real with Tom Allen and at Notre Dame.
Cincinnati plays at Indiana and at Notre Dame.

Speaker 10 If by chance, with a veteran team, virtually everybody back from a year ago, they win those two games and they run the American, Cincinnati becomes the wild card team that could kind of get up there into the into the top four and take one of the behemoths out.

Speaker 10 Um, so that would be the one team that I think is like a group of five that they could get up into the top four. Iowa State might be another one, but you know, they're in a power five.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, Luke Fickle's done an incredible job.

Speaker 3 That's it's such bullshit that Ohio State has like so many guys they could just be like, all right, like each team has like their dream higher, and you see how it goes sometimes with Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 3 If Ryan Day decided tomorrow to go to the NFL, they'd just have Luke Fickle step into that role, Ohio guy through and through, and they wouldn't miss a beat. It's not fair.

Speaker 10 Here's what's an interesting wild card to that. If Ryan Day, I can't imagine Ryan Day leaving unless the Patriots job opens when Bill Belichick.
He's a New Hampshire guy.

Speaker 10 You know, there might be something there.

Speaker 10 But if Jim Harbaugh were to ever just say, you know what, mutual agreement, I'm going to go back to the NFL or whatever he's going to do, and that job were to open up for whatever reason, and Luke Fickle kept being the hot name, Luke Fickle would have an interesting dilemma potentially.

Speaker 3 Really?

Speaker 10 Well, much like Bo Shenburg.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Bo Shenbucker, yeah.

Speaker 10 I mean, Bo was an Ohio State guy and he went to Miami and he never thought he'd go to Michigan and he turned Michigan into Michigan.

Speaker 10 Luke Fickle is, there's no more of an Ohio State guy than Luke Fickle. And if that job opens up, though, man,

Speaker 3 that might be the only way that Michigan could get up to par with Ohio State.

Speaker 10 That's my point.

Speaker 10 What better way for Michigan,

Speaker 10 quit trying to figure this thing out? Just go get one of theirs, bring him in.

Speaker 3 That's what they did with Bo in 1969.

Speaker 10 They did it, and it worked.

Speaker 10 It wouldn't shock me. Now, I don't know if he would take it, but it wouldn't shock me if that job ever opened up

Speaker 10 if he would be the guy they'd look to.

Speaker 3 That'd be awesome.

Speaker 3 I would love it.

Speaker 5 People would hate it in Michigan until they started playing.

Speaker 3 And then they'd be like, no, and it's truly, but also it would be like a weird, sneaky, low-key win for Ohio State being like, the only way you can beat us is to get our guy.

Speaker 5 To become us. Yes.

Speaker 10 All I know is, man, if you can make Cincinnati relevant in a top 10 program, you can coach football.

Speaker 5 So hypothetically, you got Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State. They all lose a game.
Cincinnati is undefeated.

Speaker 10 They're in. They're going to be in.

Speaker 3 They're in.

Speaker 10 know who the, I don't know who would be out. It would depend on the scenario of what you just said, but Cincinnati goes undefeated with the schedule that they have.

Speaker 10 There's no way with all the noise that, you know, it's not fair. And there's no way they'll keep Cincinnati as a preseason top seven.
And they play Notre Dame in South Bend, Indiana.

Speaker 3 I don't believe it.

Speaker 10 And they play Indiana.

Speaker 3 Texas A ⁇ M will have like three losses. And they'll be like, well,

Speaker 3 they're four.

Speaker 3 Like, there's no way. You're saying it right now, but there's no way.
No way now. No way.
Right now.

Speaker 10 I'm telling you, if Cincinnati is undefeated, they're going to be in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 I don't. Against the one-loss SEC team?

Speaker 10 One-loss SEC team.

Speaker 3 No, yeah, I don't know. I'll bet you stake dinner on.

Speaker 10 I'm saying an SEC team, SEC team will be in, but I'm saying that you're not going to put...

Speaker 10 So, like, if it's Alabama and it's Georgia and it's Oklahoma and it's Ohio State, there's no way Alabama and Georgia would go in over an undefeated Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 Okay, I'll bet you Steak Dinner on.

Speaker 5 If it's your steak dinner, Oklahoma, Clemson, Ohio State, they all have one loss. Yeah.

Speaker 3 They're all going in. Who are you taking out?

Speaker 10 Well, again, it would depend on who lost and when they lost. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 It's hard to, I guess,

Speaker 5 but the college, just those names and the size of those schools,

Speaker 5 I will believe it when I see it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And they'll put it in the college.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 but undefeated. Look at us.

Speaker 3 We're getting mad.

Speaker 3 We're going to

Speaker 10 revisit this in December.

Speaker 3 So here's the bet. And Bear has to come too.
So Bear has to be there at the dinner. But the bet is simple.

Speaker 3 It's that Cincinnati and undefeated Cincinnati will not go to the playoff over a one-loss power five team. So if there's a two-loss power five team, it's null and void.

Speaker 3 But if it's, we're basically saying a one-loss power five team will get in over Cincinnati. Undefeated.
You're saying that. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And I'm saying, and I'm

Speaker 3 saying a group, a power five, one loss team will be in over a undefeated cincinnati yes okay that's a fair question i feel great about i do love this i love that we're already having this debate about college this is what makes college football great no i i seriously i do it all the time where i'll hop on twitter and i'll just start arguing about the rankings and people will be like you're triggered i'm like no this is what i like to do like i would i would i like to go to like it's basically going to a virtual bar and just arguing resumes with people it is so much fun now here's what we got to remember we need luke fickle to beat Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes, yes,

Speaker 3 it's a tall task.

Speaker 10 If that happens, that'll be by September. We'll basically know.
Then, at that point, they're just trying to avoid being upset.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you know, well, style points, but then it also gets into a blind resume season where maybe at the end of the season, maybe Indiana is not as for real as they think that they are.

Speaker 3 SMU's not playing well,

Speaker 3 they have to go two overtimes to beat them, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 Temple keeps it close in the fourth quarter. Who knows? Oh, I love this.

Speaker 10 Let's revisit this periodically throughout the season.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Maybe Jack Cohn's out for a week when they play Notre Dame.
Yes.

Speaker 5 Like all this stuff can add up, which I'm already excited about it. Yes.

Speaker 5 I do have one last, last question. Just percentage-wise, looking in the crystal ball, three years in the future.
Let's just say Brian Kelly's out at Notre Dame

Speaker 5 and a phone rings down in Jacksonville and Urban Meyer picks up the the other end. And they're like, hey, Urban, we want you back in college football.

Speaker 5 What percentage do you think he accepts that job?

Speaker 10 I would say,

Speaker 10 and I'm banking it on if

Speaker 10 the NFL is not going the way he hoped.

Speaker 10 Can we say, if it's going well, he's not going to take a call from anybody.

Speaker 10 So to make this relevant,

Speaker 10 it's just,

Speaker 10 it's not going great. It's 500-ish.

Speaker 10 I would say

Speaker 10 60 to 70%.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 5 I tend to agree with that.

Speaker 5 I feel like Urban Meyer has just been circling Notre Dame for the last 20 years.

Speaker 3 Well, I will tell you this.

Speaker 10 It's a little bit of a misconception that his dream job was Notre Dame. I mean, he grew up in Ashtabula, Ohio.
He grew up around Woody Hayes in Ohio State.

Speaker 10 I think when Notre Dame was struggling, he was an assistant there, you know, years ago, and people assumed, and I think he might have made a comment about Notre Dame, how much he respects that program.

Speaker 10 But truthfully, Ohio State was always his like, I can retire now. I coach Ohio State kind of job.
But I think there's something still

Speaker 10 draws him towards college football. And he may hit a home run in the NFL, and this all might be a move point.

Speaker 10 But if it doesn't go well in the NFL and that Notre Dame job ever opened up down the road, I could see him taking that call.

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 3 It would be fun. It's always fun to have Irvin Meyer in the mix.
College coaches, like you just said, Luke Fickle going to Ohio State or Michigan would be incredible.

Speaker 3 Kirk, thank you so much. We appreciate it.
Love having you on. We will definitely have you on a couple, maybe after we see what happens with Cincinnati and Notre Dame.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Oh, you know, we got to do a show leading into that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right.
You're right.

Speaker 5 We'll just plan out the menu for the entire show. What are you going to order?

Speaker 3 Okay, that sounds good. Yeah, I want Bear on that.
Bear has to be involved in that.

Speaker 10 Bear and I will hop in on that.

Speaker 3 Yes. Yes.
But appreciate your time. And everyone, go check out his book, Out of the Pocket, Football, Fatherhood, and College Game Day Saturdays.
Thanks so much, Kirk. Glad football's back.

Speaker 10 Yep, can't wait, guys. Have a great year.

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Speaker 3 All right, we're going to do Mount Rush where we got special guest Hank's dad is back. He's been on a Mount Rushworth before.
What was the one you did last time, Mr. Lockwood?

Speaker 9 Sounds you don't like.

Speaker 3 Oh, sounds you don't like.

Speaker 5 I remember that one. Was Hank's yawn on there?

Speaker 9 Hank's yawn was not.

Speaker 5 Do you remember the first time you heard Hank yawn? He yawns exactly the same.

Speaker 9 I can't, yeah, Hank and I yawn exactly the same.

Speaker 3 So what's your problem? No problem.

Speaker 3 Can we get you to yawn?

Speaker 9 I can't force a yawn. It's either going to happen or it might happen.

Speaker 3 It might not.

Speaker 3 I know you guys love it.

Speaker 3 It really, it stops us in our tracks. By the way, Hank, I got to show you something real quick.
Can you see me right now?

Speaker 3 Check this out. The hotel I'm staying at.
Look at this. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 They got the pumps.

Speaker 3 That's going to be a nice broth. That's going to be a nice broth for you.

Speaker 3 Dude, I've just been souping it up. I took an extra shower yesterday just because the soup was so good.
It's great. It's efficient.

Speaker 5 You got the body wash in the pump bottle, too? Yes.

Speaker 3 That's all three of them huge pump bottles. It's the way to go.

Speaker 3 All right. So

Speaker 3 Mount Rushmore of water. We're going to do Mount Rushmore of water.

Speaker 3 Who is picking first? Hank. Why don't you guys want to decide the order? Let's do numbers.

Speaker 5 All right. Okay.
Let's do numbers. Okay, I'm going to

Speaker 3 69.

Speaker 3 17. Oh, no, all of my dead packs, sorry.
Five.

Speaker 3 Billy? 86.

Speaker 3 50.

Speaker 3 Hear the frustration in Billy's voice.

Speaker 3 I stole 69.

Speaker 3 Mount Rushmore of Waters.

Speaker 3 Or if you're from Philly, Waters.

Speaker 5 What is that, 80?

Speaker 5 That's an 80.

Speaker 3 I think we win, right? All right. Billy, yeah.
Offside the order, Billy.

Speaker 5 I'd like to let it be known for the record that it looks like Jake is podcasting hurt right now, doing this Mount Rushmore, a little bit injured. He's got a heating pad on his neck.

Speaker 3 Nice, stiff neck. What?

Speaker 3 He spends some time. No, what did you do? Spend some time down in Sex?

Speaker 5 Down in Boca Raton, if you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Yeah, of course. With Junior.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Junior Soprano over here.

Speaker 3 Be careful, Jake.

Speaker 3 Oh, do we?

Speaker 5 You know, Jake, you don't go down there enough.

Speaker 3 Do we know it? Do we know it? It's home, so. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know what

Speaker 3 i bet it is you like you're going back to it's where you came from it's true

Speaker 3 jesus christ i can't i can't see jake right now does he is he following or no no

Speaker 3 i am i understand what's going on he gets it okay okay okay um all right so billy and jake you guys decide the order

Speaker 8 uh we'll go first

Speaker 8 Wait, how many Hank, are you on the same team as your father?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's me, me, my dad, and Bubba. So, Dank, Dank, Dank, Bubba.

Speaker 8 Okay, so we'll go Big Cat, Jilly.

Speaker 3 Oh, no, no.

Speaker 3 What? Jilly,

Speaker 3 Dank, Big Cat.

Speaker 3 And then PFT? Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 Why don't you just go in order here? So we'll go around the room. So go, you guys, Mr.
Lockwood, PFT, then me.

Speaker 7 All right, sounds good. Shout out to QB.

Speaker 3 By the way,

Speaker 3 it's actually an order here.

Speaker 3 Only Billy could make the order confusing.

Speaker 7 We're going to start off with crushed ice.

Speaker 3 Always a good thing to chew on when you're done with water, but you can't get the waiter's attention.

Speaker 7 You can just chew on some ice and really save some time there. It's always nice.

Speaker 3 Crushed ice.

Speaker 3 You know what I've been a big fan of recently? Like the little pebble ice.

Speaker 7 Yeah, just anything small, little that you can chew on.

Speaker 3 Yep. Okay.
Okay. Good pick.
My dad's been overthinking this to the max. I cannot wait for this, by the way.
I just want to to just want to set the scene a little bit.

Speaker 9 All right, we're going to, our first pick, we're going to go with the middle-of-the-night water.

Speaker 3 Okay, wake up. Everyone's thirsty.

Speaker 9 Just can't,

Speaker 9 nothing hits better than that. Big, thirsty glass of water, middle of the night.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I had one of those last night, actually. It is great.
I think Hank came up with an invention, right, where you just have, it's like one of those backpacks, the camel backs.

Speaker 3 But it's built into the bed.

Speaker 5 It's built into a hotel bed. So when you're hungover and you wake up in the morning, boom you get that injection straight from the wall it's like a soup tube but for water uh my first one

Speaker 5 i'm going to go

Speaker 5 you know what it's similar to what jilly took but i think it's different enough that it should count sonic ice

Speaker 5 sonic ice it's a different type of ice altogether it's the soft ice Really soft that you can chew on.

Speaker 3 Is it flavored or just

Speaker 5 the ice? No, just the ice. I used to sell these ice makers back in the day.
They use evaporative, it's a whole process.

Speaker 5 Well, it was all for, yeah, I sold literally everything. But, yeah, it's the best ice in the world.
When you say sonic ice to somebody, people know instantly what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 It's the goat ice.

Speaker 8 Wait, is it from like Sonic the Restaurant?

Speaker 5 Sonic the Restaurant.

Speaker 5 You can get it other places. It's called, it's the pellet ice, but it's the specific type of soft ice that you can really, really get to chewing on.

Speaker 3 All right, that was a good pick. I am now overthinking it myself because I cannot believe on the fourth pick I have my 1-1 still available, but it's hose water on a summer day.
Wow.

Speaker 3 Drinking directly from the hose.

Speaker 5 It's a good pick.

Speaker 3 I had that.

Speaker 3 What's the wow? What's the wow, Hank?

Speaker 9 A lot of hose talk the last couple days about this Mount Rush.

Speaker 3 Yeah, me and my dad have been talking about it. I mean, that's that's you agree, Mr.
Lock, that that's the best like you're playing wiffle ball or something, just get right up to the hose.

Speaker 3 There's nothing better.

Speaker 9 I thought it might still be available on coming back around. No shit.
Big cap's going for it. And Henry said, maybe.

Speaker 3 I i would have taken it one one i would have taken it one one all right uh my second pick is going to be uh drinking the the glass of water you have when you get home after a long night of drinking and you're like this is the one that's going to save me the hangover yeah like okay like i'm like you think you've done something responsible like you're almost drinking a

Speaker 3 a genius medical cure it's not going to but in the moment you're like good job pat yourself on the back you had one glass of water after you drank all day i think it is a hangover cure i I think when I get hungover, I'm like, oh, I didn't chug a bottle of water before I went to bed.

Speaker 3 Yes, and it really does. Yeah, you like, or sometimes you'll even get up out of bed, like you lay down, and then you get up out of bed.

Speaker 3 You're like, I got to have that glass of water because it's the only thing that's going to keep me alive.

Speaker 3 But it really, it doesn't ultimately matter if you drank enough, but it's still a great thing to have.

Speaker 5 I drink nine shots of tequila right before I went to bed.

Speaker 3 Oh, shit, I forgot to drink that. That's why I'm hungover.

Speaker 5 It's because I forgot to have my 12-ounce deer park before I hit the hay.

Speaker 3 Mentally, you just need that. In college, we used to beer bong water at the end of the night.

Speaker 5 Oh, I used to do that the morning after. I'd get up and I would fill up the entire funnel with water and rehydrate.
I would take it. I'd be like, okay, I'm healthy now.

Speaker 5 I'm ready to go.

Speaker 3 My body's good. You just, for some reason, it feels like a medical cure.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 5 My next pick, I'm surprised this one lasted so long. The ocean.
I'm taking the ocean.

Speaker 3 I think you got to pick which one?

Speaker 5 I don't know. I think just like the ocean in general.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 it's all one ocean. It's all four.

Speaker 5 But they're all connected, Jake.

Speaker 3 Fair. It's like the pangea of water.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Just the ocean, you got inside that ocean. You got waves, you got all these fish.
Like 99% of the stuff in the ocean we haven't even discovered yet.

Speaker 5 Have you ever done one of those things where you scroll down and it does like a simulated deep dive into the ocean online? It just keeps going and going.

Speaker 5 It shows you the animals that you see there at different depths. The ocean will, it'll fuck you up.
The ocean is awesome.

Speaker 3 It's a great pick. Thank you.
Okay. Great pick.

Speaker 9 All right. We're going to come up with.

Speaker 3 Wait, wait, before you do it, can you just rank your oceans just as a side?

Speaker 5 How are ranking oceans? Number one, Pacific.

Speaker 3 Number two. I mean, it's the biggest.

Speaker 5 It's by far the biggest.

Speaker 3 And I know people will say it's not the size of the wave, it's the motion of the ocean.

Speaker 5 That's not true. It's not true at all.
It's all about girth. Right.
Number two, I'm going to go to the next one. Right, guys? Yep.
Number two, I'm going to go with the Atlantic Ocean.

Speaker 5 Number three, the Arctic Ocean.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 5 People sleep on the Arctic Ocean, but you give it like 250 years. That's going to be a tropical paradise.
And then number four, I've got the Indian Ocean. We still haven't found that Malaysian plane.

Speaker 5 Who knows if it's actually there? Yep.

Speaker 3 All right. Good ranking in the oceans.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 8 You forgot the Antarctic.

Speaker 5 It's not an ocean. Oh.

Speaker 5 That's no such thing.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 3 This is now getting contentious, boys.

Speaker 5 They just came out with a study. The Antarctic Ocean is actually the biggest, coolest ocean ever.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I heard it on Joe Rogan's podcast.
All right.

Speaker 3 Go ahead, Mr.

Speaker 9 Lockwell. All right, we're going to go with the hot shower.

Speaker 3 Oh, good choice.

Speaker 3 Good choice. Good choice.
I had it. I had it.

Speaker 9 Always feels good.

Speaker 3 Yep. Nothing like

Speaker 3 your day around. Yeah, specifically, I wrote down specifically, which this is,

Speaker 3 there's not like you can't take it in a specific setting here. You get hot shower, but the best hot shower is after like

Speaker 3 cold rain. You get caught in a cold rain and you get a hot shower after.

Speaker 3 That's the best. Or yeah, like a day on the mountain.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yep. Yep.
Hot shower.

Speaker 3 Yeah, when your like skin is like so cold, you can barely feel it, and then you get the hot shower, you get that, like, stinging sensation. It's the best.

Speaker 5 Or if you're like a detective that's trying to solve a big case, and you just blast the hot shower into your face and you slam your hand against the wall, you just think.

Speaker 5 That's in every single cop movie ever.

Speaker 3 Yep. Yep.
Or if you just, or if your best friend just pulled off a

Speaker 3 huge heist at the airport

Speaker 3 and you're like smacking the wall really hard, that's a great hot shower.

Speaker 5 It is a good one.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So I don't think. They're very relatable to all of us, I would assume.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the biggest heist of all time.

Speaker 8 So I don't think this is actually taken, but what about the first glass of water the next morning after a night of drinking?

Speaker 3 That works. That's fairly glad.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's a good choice.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's

Speaker 3 the first time.

Speaker 8 Because you're still drunk the night before and you had that glass of water.

Speaker 3 This is the water.

Speaker 3 You're saying like

Speaker 3 4 a.m. We picked the middle of the night.
You're saying like 7 a.m. Yeah, 7 a.m.

Speaker 3 That's pretty close, but sure.

Speaker 5 I think that plays because I had that on my list too. Yeah.
Yeah, that works.

Speaker 3 That works.

Speaker 6 When you're actually thirsty. When you're actually thirsty.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. It plays, Billy.

Speaker 7 And next, who who doesn't love going down the water slide?

Speaker 5 Is that what they call it now for kids?

Speaker 3 Going up all those steps. Heading down to both.
And the reward of going down on the slide, actually.

Speaker 5 Yes. No,

Speaker 5 that's a great one. I love a good water slide.

Speaker 5 One of my favorite activities, actually, is driving past a water park and then just staring at the slides as I'm driving for like three seconds too long to be driving car responsibly.

Speaker 5 Just like turning my neck and be like, oh my God, look at all those water slides.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the color is spicy.

Speaker 3 Okay, good picks, guys. Mr.

Speaker 9 Lockwood? All right, we're going to go with watermelon.

Speaker 3 Delicious.

Speaker 3 Good in the summer.

Speaker 3 Always good. Okay.

Speaker 6 Great choice.

Speaker 5 Great choice. Great choice.

Speaker 3 All right. Great choice.
Great.

Speaker 5 My next one.

Speaker 5 Okay, so Hank invited his dad to participate in this Mount Rushmore. I thought that was very nice.
a touching father-son moment. Who doesn't like something like that?

Speaker 5 But Hank also neglected to invite his mother to participate.

Speaker 3 I think he invited himself, let's be honest. Let's call Spade a Spade here.

Speaker 5 And she's in the control room right now listening to the podcast and listening to Mr. Lockwood and Hank teaming up.

Speaker 5 And Hank didn't even think to ask her kind of a reverse Drew Brees and Drew Brees' daughter situation. So I asked Mrs.

Speaker 5 Lockwood if she would like to contribute to my Mount Rushmore, since Hank didn't think that he should. Classic you.
So she's going to be on, she's going to help me out a little bit.

Speaker 5 She gave me a cold shower on a hot day, and I like that. Or a cold shower after a workout.

Speaker 5 Something in that scenario where you're overheated and hitting that cold shower for a little bit is one of the most refreshing feelings that you can ever have.

Speaker 3 Okay, so just for the record, so everyone knows, I'm still doing my Mount Rushmore by myself. It's the super team era.
I just keep going up against everyone. That's fine.

Speaker 3 I will hold the sanctity of Mount Rushmore season. I'm your champion.
I'm Giannis. I will do it.
Okay. What? No, I'm saying I'm your champion of the people.

Speaker 3 I'm not saying I'm the champion. I'm saying I'm the champion of the people who know that Mount Rushmore isn't about super teams.

Speaker 5 It's just about teamwork sometimes, you know?

Speaker 3 Mm-hmm. Yep.
Okay.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 3 Like the Russell Westbrook of Mount Rushmores.

Speaker 3 I'd like to go with Giannis.

Speaker 3 Yeah. There's no I in Mount Rushmore.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 all right, here we go. Uh,

Speaker 3 uh, the Monday after a big win, water cooler water

Speaker 3 after the big after the team wins a big game and you're at work, and it's like actually something you want to talk about with your coworkers because usually it sucks, but it's like, yeah, did you see the big win?

Speaker 3 That was fucking awesome. And you like relive the game and you sit there and have your little moment.
That's a great moment to have.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 How about

Speaker 3 let's see

Speaker 3 I'll go I'll go lakes. You know, I had oceans and lakes.
I'll go lakes. I love lake water.
I think lakes are awesome. I love lake water.
Lakes are,

Speaker 3 I mean, you don't drink the ocean. No, I was just clarifying.
Lakes are okay, but

Speaker 5 lakes are sneaky dangerous.

Speaker 3 Seish waves.

Speaker 5 Yeah, seish waves, dude.

Speaker 5 Those will fuck you up. Just rogue waves that appear on like Lake Superior in the middle of the night.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Sage Waves. So, yeah, lakes will be my fourth pick.
I'm surprised no one's picked any brands.

Speaker 3 I was thinking about doing

Speaker 3 Body Armor. There's one brand you can pick.
Yeah, Body Armor.

Speaker 5 Or Liquid Death, right?

Speaker 3 Or Liquid Death. Something.

Speaker 5 Sometimes we'll pick Liquid Death.

Speaker 3 Right now, can we? I'm not sure. We'll bleep out Liquid Death right now.

Speaker 3 Water at Dave and Buster's.

Speaker 5 I'll tell you what, the most Mount Flushmore of all the waters is Evian. Evian's trash.
People that say that they can tell the difference between waters, usually I think it's bullshit.

Speaker 5 Although Jeff Lowe just sat down one time blindfolded and told the difference between five different brands of water. But anyone can pick out Evian because it tastes, it's like motor oil.

Speaker 8 Dasani. Awful.
Dasani's supposed to actually dehydrate you. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Because it has like some sodium in it.

Speaker 5 That sounds again like a joke. Where did you get that from?

Speaker 8 I swear to God, it's Atlanta tap water that Coca-Cola adds to it.

Speaker 5 All right. So, Big Cat, a little behind the scenes, we actually did a macro dosing on bottled water, and Billy said that exact same thing.
No, I didn't say that.

Speaker 5 And we live fact-checked it and found out that it was extremely false during the episode.

Speaker 3 So he just keeps going with it. All right, you know what? Now I actually am cool.

Speaker 3 I'm cool with it, Billy. Billy,

Speaker 3 to continue to just

Speaker 3 spout out facts that are not true, I respect that. You just keep going forward.
Proven wrong, doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 Well, usually it's like the core of Billy's statement is true, but then all the details surrounding it are a million percent false. Correct.
All right, my last one. I'm shocked, dismayed.

Speaker 5 This actually might be my favorite type of water. The steam room.

Speaker 5 I love a steam room. Have a schwitz, sit down with the fellas, nice and relaxing.
You can also lie to yourself and say that it gets all the toxins out of your system.

Speaker 5 I don't think that it actually does that, but it does help a hangover. Just kind of makes you feel good.
Also, the name of a very successful podcast from 2015 to 2015.

Speaker 3 Hollywood workout. Go to the steam sauna and hot tub.
Yep. That's boom.
That's your workout. Yep.

Speaker 3 All right. Mr.
Lockwood, your last pick.

Speaker 9 All right. Last one.
Very surprised this is still alive. We're going to go with rain.

Speaker 3 Ah.

Speaker 3 Drip, drip.

Speaker 9 Cycle of life. Are you really going to for all living things? Rain.

Speaker 3 You're going to pick that with what's going on in Louisiana right now? Yep. Well, that's wind.
That's really good. That's wind and rain.

Speaker 3 I think it's the rain. Actually, I think it's the rain.
I mean, if it didn't rain, we wouldn't live.

Speaker 9 Could be the storm surge, could be the ocean. This is just rain from the sky.

Speaker 5 The more I think about it, it's true.

Speaker 3 The ocean is bad there.

Speaker 5 The whole timing of doing the Mount Rushmore water might be a little

Speaker 3 ill-advised.

Speaker 3 Oh, I thought about it before. I thought about it before.
I was like,

Speaker 3 you know what?

Speaker 3 They're different, okay?

Speaker 5 They're different. Yeah, it's different.
Yes. I mean, we took ice for it.

Speaker 3 As a podcaster, my thoughts and prayers are with Louisiana.

Speaker 5 Of course. Louisiana's my favorite people.
One of my favorite states in the entire world.

Speaker 3 Philippines. As a a fan of water, I'm not going to be a fan of water for a couple days.

Speaker 5 Speaking of water, one thing you might consider doing, if you're in Louisiana, fill up your bathtub with water at the start of it.

Speaker 5 That way, if there's anything that happens to the water supply, boom, you have a bathtub filled with fresh water. Ready to go.

Speaker 3 That's a good tip to give people on Monday. Yep.
After it already happened.

Speaker 5 Yep. Well, no, Hank's going to drop this pot early.

Speaker 3 No, I'm not. Actually, this is actually.

Speaker 5 Hank, how many lives could you save this?

Speaker 3 This is AWL preseason, because I was thinking about it today. I could drop it early, but because Sundays are coming up or it's going to be late, I don't want people to get accustomed to coming early.

Speaker 3 You don't have to kill thousands of people. Consider this

Speaker 3 preseason. It's not going to be smart.
You've got to condition the people. Because if you do it early, they're going to.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. So this will be out at midnight.

Speaker 3 All right, Billy and Jake. All right.

Speaker 5 Pick up basketball water.

Speaker 8 You're playing pickup basketball.

Speaker 5 That's clearly a Jake choice.

Speaker 8 No, it's actually me.

Speaker 3 Oh, really?

Speaker 8 No, but think about it.

Speaker 3 Like, everybody play balls. You know, pick up basketball.

Speaker 8 Yeah, but, like, it's the one time you're out of shape, you're not in basketball shape, you're dying for water, like, halfway through, and you either have like a cold bottle of water you bring, or you go to the fountain and drink cold water, and it just hits different.

Speaker 5 Okay, so

Speaker 3 you didn't have to make it specific to pick up basketball, but I do think that the one type of sports water that hits different is when you pick up that red and white personal thermos of water out of sports practice and you drink out of that that is a great tasting water I like to pick Billy I don't hate it because I was I had something similar yeah no the only problem that I had have with it because I was actually I wrote down something similar but um the best is when you like when you win a bunch of games in a row but then you this is this is specific to me because once I'm playing pickup basketball and my team wins like three in a row by the fourth game I want to lose so I can take a break that's the best water but that also is a loser mentality.

Speaker 7 I would bring like eight bottles, and people would always mooch off me.

Speaker 3 Oh, of course.

Speaker 7 Of course. Come prepared.

Speaker 3 Back.

Speaker 8 Water that's not yours tastes the best.

Speaker 3 I don't know if you can. I don't know.
Caribbean blue water. They were doing honorable mentions.
That water,

Speaker 3 when you could see the bottom of the ocean, that's pretty fucking sick. Jacuzzi.
Mm-hmm. Jacuzzi.
Although I was thinking about it. Have you ever seen how jacuzzi works? It's just recycled water.

Speaker 3 It's disgusting.

Speaker 5 It's half piss. Jersey shit.
It's so bad.

Speaker 8 Hot tub.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I had water balloons and super soakers.
Like water fight.

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 3 Snow.

Speaker 5 Snow.

Speaker 3 Snow's a big miss.

Speaker 3 Yo. Snow.
Hail. Damn.
Hail's hail.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Let's not get water. Snow cones.

Speaker 3 Water. Yeah, water ice.
Water ice. Water ice.
Water ice is good. Surprise.

Speaker 7 I just haven't said your team.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I thought some of the water dogs was going to do. No, no.
No, fuck them. Why would I do that? Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 If we did Mount Flushmore, it would have been my 1-1 pick. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Hot bath.

Speaker 5 The old hot bath is a good one, too.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Waves.
Would waves have counted?

Speaker 3 I think ocean is probably.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I get waves

Speaker 5 inside the ocean. Okay.

Speaker 8 The Antarctic Ocean is an ocean.

Speaker 5 It's debatable. Southern Ocean.

Speaker 5 There's four oceans, and now it's like Pluto. People are like, oh, it's the participation trophy generation.
I'm going to throw it up there.

Speaker 5 Just trying to give it, you're trying to put a medal on the cold parts of the Pacific, Atlantic, and Indian Oceans.

Speaker 3 Mr. Lockwood, do we have anything that we missed that you had on your list?

Speaker 9 No, those are all. We just did in the honorable mentions, the rest of the ones came up.

Speaker 3 Ooh, what about Water Falls? River Water. Ooh, yeah.
Don't go chasing them.

Speaker 3 How'd you do in Papa Shot, Mr.

Speaker 9 Lockwood? 101.

Speaker 3 Couldn't get the record. Whoa.

Speaker 9 If I had more time, I'd get the record. He said he was going to

Speaker 3 break the record. You have good form.

Speaker 3 I saw the video that Hank put up. You were bending your knees nicely.
Yeah,

Speaker 9 I'd get the record. I just don't have enough time right now.

Speaker 5 I'm trying to get you to yawn. I need you to yawn.

Speaker 5 I have to see the genetic. Did your father yawn like that as well?

Speaker 3 Well, no, but Henry is...

Speaker 9 It's identical. I mean, there's

Speaker 9 no question where it came from.

Speaker 3 Your poor wife, Hank's poor mom, has to deal with it, both of you. My mom did this text.
She said, water of my tears if we miss our train. Yeah, I gotta go.
Oh,

Speaker 3 all right.

Speaker 3 Billy, any recap? Thank you, Mr. Lockwood.
Great to see you. Good to have you.
Yeah. See ya.

Speaker 3 Billy, anything to recap?

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah. So, like, those turf pellets we were talking about, when they get that hot and you get turf burned, they actually sometimes burn into your turf burns.
and get stuck in your body.

Speaker 3 Really?

Speaker 3 This sounds like pop rocks in Diecoke.

Speaker 8 No, so when you skin your knee when the turf's that hot, and the turf gets in the turf burn, sometimes it just stays in there.

Speaker 5 And your skin heals over top of it?

Speaker 8 Yeah, because it burns in there.

Speaker 5 So you become part football field at that point.

Speaker 3 That's actually awesome. Yeah, that is badass.

Speaker 5 Wasn't there a study that came out? Yeah. You know the study that I'm talking about? Cancer.

Speaker 5 Where it's like youth soccer goalies that grow up playing on field turf fields that are exposed to that ground up tire material, they develop more cancer than other people.

Speaker 3 Is that true? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Are you just saying?

Speaker 8 I saw what you saw.

Speaker 5 Are you just saying, yeah?

Speaker 8 No, I saw exactly what you saw because, I don't know, something about the rubber.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 5 That's why I don't wear condoms.

Speaker 3 God damn it, Billy. You just make me laugh your fucking voice.

Speaker 3 All right, anything else?

Speaker 8 The Antarctic Ocean is an ocean.

Speaker 5 Debatable. It is an ocean.
No, it's just what they call the cold parts of the other ocean. It's an ocean.

Speaker 8 And Dasani was taken off UK shelves for the conspiracy theory that it makes you more thirsty.

Speaker 5 So there was a little that's the core of the truth, and then all the other stuff comes out.

Speaker 8 Right, but there's also additives to it that people are a little sketched out about.

Speaker 5 Okay, so you're talking about the TikTok trend where somebody opens up a Dasani and it makes like a hiss sound and they're like, hear all that? That's the poison leaving the bottle.

Speaker 3 That's cancer. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You hear that sound?

Speaker 3 That's actually cancer.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 5 Numbers.

Speaker 3 By the way,

Speaker 3 Wednesday we have Jerry O'Connell back in studio. Awesome, awesome interview.
Very excited. What's your prediction for the fight, big cat?

Speaker 3 I think Jake Paul is going to win.

Speaker 3 I'm now, I've moved past the roadblock you put in my brain, Hank. Okay.
We'll see. So Jake Paul's going to win.
All right.

Speaker 3 Knock him out. He's going to knock him out.

Speaker 3 I'll do 99. 82.
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Speaker 3 6 from Bubba.

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Speaker 5 Though I don't know what I'm to say I'm saved anyway

Speaker 5 Today's another day to fighting Shy ain't away

Speaker 5 Oh I've been coming for your love Okay

Speaker 5 Shy it away

Speaker 5 Oh I've been coming for your love Okay

Speaker 5 I'll be

Speaker 5 gone

Speaker 5 Needless to say

Speaker 5 I all said it's about me stolen away

Speaker 5 Following them what is okay

Speaker 5 Say after me

Speaker 5 It's the better to be safe than sorry Say after me

Speaker 5 It's the better to be safe than sorry Take

Speaker 5 on me

Speaker 5 Take

Speaker 5 me

Speaker 5 on

Speaker 5 I'll be

Speaker 5 gone

Speaker 5 every day of day

Speaker 5 All the things that you say

Speaker 5 Just to blame my worries away

Speaker 5 You're all the things I've got to remember. Be shy and away.

Speaker 5 I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 5 Be shy and away.

Speaker 5 I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 5 Take

Speaker 5 on me.

Speaker 5 Take

Speaker 5 me

Speaker 5 on.

Speaker 5 I'll be gone

Speaker 5 in a day.

Speaker 5 I'll be

Speaker 5 gone

Speaker 5 in a day.

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