NBA Draft, MLB Trades, Mt Rushmore Of Things We Yell At Our TV Plus Runner Craig Engels

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On today's Pardon My Take, we have a ton of sports to talk about. A lot of topics, a lot of things, the draft, the MLB trade deadline, the Olympics.
We're not going to talk about quarterbacks. We have a lot of things to talk about, though.
We also have a great interview with world-class runner Craig Engels, who missed the Olympics by a few seconds, but he is the king in our hearts. We talked to him about Olympic running before track and field gets going next week.
We also have the Mount Rushmore of things we yell at our television while watching sports. A great Friday show for everyone.
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Today is Fri-yay, July 30th, and I don't really know where to start because there's so many fucking sports things going on all at once. It is absolute madness.
I picked a terrible week to go on vacation. We picked a terrible week to go on vacation.
But, I mean, where do you want to start, PFT? Well, I just emotion to not even acknowledge this as friday this is not a friday for us based on what's just happened in the world of sports like this is all our best baseball players are no longer playing baseball for our favorite baseball teams that's that's the easiest way to say it um obviously like chris bryan it looks like he's going to the mets right who knows he's he? He's soaked in his last minutes at Wrigley today. It's a foregone conclusion.
I know it's going to happen. It is – okay, so I've been thinking about it because I had a few hours to process this.
There's the business side of baseball, which I fully understand, and then there's the sentimental, your heart, the guys you root for, the guys you love that we've talked about a million times. We are rational sports fans.
A love for a player makes no sense really when you actually break it down because it's like, what do you care? But I care and you care. And watching Anthony Rizzo get traded to the Yankees and watching him take his last lap with his cute fucking dog, Kevin, around Wrigley and the Ivy, it broke me up.
And it sucks. And I understand the baseball side of it because they need to trade guys when they don't know if they're going to be here at the end of the year and you've got to rebuild.
But goddamn, does it suck? Well, think it's irrational at all to like to be sentimental and emotional about baseball player especially like if you've as guys we don't show our emotions it's pretty much a rule like unless unless you're watching somebody sing the national anthem then you're allowed to cry or if you're like so mad that you throw something at your tv because of sports those are really the only time that as guys we show our emotions. But when you see a player that like wins a championship for your city, like Chris Bryant did, like Max Scherzer did, and you can see them also starting to get emotional when they achieve like this great goal to bring home a World Series, and they seem to like the city that they're in, and they show you like a little bit of that same emotion that you give to them back you feel like you're not wasting your life by caring about sports so much and so you like share a moment with those guys and it's it also like reminds you of a moment in time of like okay I remember this postseason how happy was the ups and the downs the highs and the lows and then you you get jealous when they go and they put on another man's uniform and they're playing for another team and like you see other fans starting to root for them and you're like no no that that's my guy you can't like I feel like I'm getting cucked by another fan base like the entire city of LA getting Trey Turner and and Max Scherzer it's a bad feeling but I don't I feel like they don't deserve them yet they didn't go through the bad times with those guys well that so that's that's what it's more I mean obviously the good times are the best and you remember those but like Anthony Rizzo for me he turned everything around and I you know I had season tickets I was sitting there while I went to 60 games in 2013-14 when they're losing 100 games a year and it's like he was the guy who started the turnaround.

He was the catalyst.

He was the captain, even though they refused to put a C on his chest because the Ricketts are fucking losers.

But it's the bad times to get to the good times.

Those type of guys are there.

I remember going to Chris Bryant Day.

I was so happy.

I was so drunk.

Barstow, Carl, and I were in Wrigleyville in 2015, black out at like I don't know 11 a.m on a Friday because Chris Bryant I think he struck out four times I don't I can't even remember but like those moments to start bigger moments are what it's all about and then yeah it sucks it just sucks but I get the business side I'm not going to sit here I think it's foolish if if you sit, if you're like, oh, how could you trade those guys? Well, you know what would suck more is not trading them and having them walk in free agency and then having a really shitty product for a long time. It's more just, you know, it just sucks.
It just sucks. That's to quote like someone like Billy football.
I think he would have a quote like that. Like it just sucks.
Straight up, bro, not having a good time. But if you look at it a different way, you can be like, okay, yeah, we're trading them.
We're getting some pieces back. Maybe 2022 is going to be sweet.
No, pieces suck, man. In the moment, I don't care.
I don't think you're ignoring the sweetness of 2022. Yeah, no, I care like, oh, okay, cool.
We got some pieces. But prospects in baseball are prospects until like – obviously in the coming months I'll start getting to know these guys, start ingratiating them into my life.
But like right now it's like who cares? That's a name that is not Anthony Rizzo. Like you can't replace two 19 year olds with Anthony Rizzo.

You just can't.

So in the moment, I don't care.

Like I actually kind of hate like the instant, like, oh man, we crushed this.

Like who the fuck knows?

Who knows?

They're prospects.

The guy who was drafted before Chris Bryant, Mark Appel, number one,

one, one overall, never pitched in the big leagues.

You never know with these guys.

You do know with an Anthony Rizzo or Chris Bryant or Max Scherzer or Trey Turner, you know, because you've seen it and they've done it. So that's the part that kind of hurts.
Can I throw it real quick to Jake? Jake, are you – does Anthony Rizzo have his pinstripes already? Because I've demanded that. Yeah, he has them also because he's a fellow Broward County guy.
Shout out, Parker. So to him there you go okay i don't know i don't know what's his dog's name is his dog named anything related to the yankees it's kevin his dog's kevin which is fucking an awesome dog for a dog name for a wiener dog to name your wiener dog kevin i think all dogs they have better names if they're either named a human name or if they're named like a plural of a noun like i met a dog named biscuits one time and that dog became my best it was like a pitbull with scars on his face but he was awesome i didn't care because he had the cutest name ever kevin is a solid name for a dog i actually i'm gonna throw this out there um you billy named his what who'd you name your dog after whitey it was some kind of boy a race of people white nationalists yeah no no no dude richard spencer so i have like so there's like you name your dog after old people names that don't get used anymore so like i had a great uncle named whitey and that's just like not so like whitey ford whitey bulger it's like a funny No, a dog.
No, we got it. Your dog's name is Whitey.
Billy, I'm just going to throw this out there. If you love me and I think that we've come a long way in the last couple of months, you will change your dog's name to Rizzo.
Well, it's too late now. No, it's not.
He's not going to respond to Rizzo. You wouldn't like that because it would just be a reminder of what you've lost.
Billy should just name his dog after the job that he eventually wants to have. PMT host? Yeah, PMT host or SEAL.
Just name it SEAL. Yeah, yeah.
Wait, can I throw my dog thing out there now with Billy? Yes, yes, please. It's actually a perfect time, Liam.
Okay, so Billy about, I don't know, two weeks ago just moved a block away from me and he went away for a couple days and he paid an intern here to go watch his dog and never asked me. So I don't really know what to think about that.
No, he thinks that you can't take care of him. I want to know why i took one i left for one night and it was a tuesday night which is a show night i knew liam would be editing and i didn't want to like make him come over to my house because i knew that would just be annoying to ask especially just moving in like you don't just start asking for favors just immediately i have a question billy real quick and we'll get back to sports in one second.
This intern that you paid to take care of your dog, in the price that you paid, does that include the three lizards and the hedgehog? No. Okay, so they just had to go fuck yourself, take care of yourself, boys? They can chill for a night.
Okay. right wait so you're just not feeding your frogs no you they you just leave them with a bunch of food oh got it and your hedgehog bunch of food leaving with a bunch of gold coins yeah okay um all right so back to what we were talking about baseball traits they suck and yeah.
We move on. It just was a shitty day.
Shitty day. I told everyone to please not ruin my vacation.
It's been ruined a million different ways, but that's okay. And if you're sitting here thinking that we're going to talk about QB situations in the NFL, I've made it very clear we're not going to talk about that until Sunday.
I'll talk about everything else, but I'm not talking about QB. I'm still hoping some people will retire between now and Sunday.
That's all I'm going to say. Yeah.
Yes. Did you see that he was, they have him playing safety now in practice? Perfect.
He's like running scout team wearing the red jersey. I don't know what they're going to do.
The Texans, again, should just not play football this season, especially like putting Desha watson uh rick riley joke deshaun watson at safety wow he always struck me as more of a cover zero guy oh okay all right uh i'll give it a i'll give 2.2 balls it was the boobs yeah yeah or boobs boobs i'm sorry balls the ball scale is taking over the world with balls balls in the brain balls on the brain always. Uh, okay.
Or boobs, booze. I'm sorry.
Balls. The ball scale is taking over the world.
Balls on the brain. Balls on the brain always.
Okay. Let's talk a little NBA.
The NBA drafts happened tonight. Shout out Kendrick Perkins to getting called up to the big desk.
And he, I'm going to say right now, he stole the show by, I think it was like the second pick maybe. They threw threw it to him and he was like jalen green's gonna be a great nba player just look at his suit and i was like yep perk thank you this is the analysis like i don't give a fuck about you showing me a few highlight tapes and being like he comps out to this guy because similar to the prospects in baseball, none of us know.
have an idea kate cunningham's gonna be good i'd bet my life on it but like everyone else i don't know so yeah if it's gonna be like hey is this guy wearing a cool suit or not that's actually the analysis i want i also like jaylen i like the analysis of jaylen green but i i like kendrick perkins a lot because he seems to have aged like 35 years in the last three years and he's just like he's like an old dude but he's i think like what 40 years old something like that um but the coolest thing that he does this is like a little life hack if you can just use the word damn or hell in every sentence that you put out there on television it still has that like old impact on my brain where i'm like oh my god God, they're cussing on ESPN. This guy's cool as shit.
And I don't know what damn thing about this guy, whatever the hell he's talking about. It was just like, he goes back and forth from damn in hell, like Ray Allen going back from a clit to what else does he look? It's his first penis to switching back and forth from his penis to his tongue.
Yeah. Yeah.
Tongue to to the clit with the penis. But that's how he uses the words damn and hell.
And it's just I always think it's pretty cool. You can just say that Jalen Green seems like the best prospect, and people will think that you're smart about basketball because nobody watched any of the G League at night games.
So if you just say, like, I watched a lot of film on Jalen Green, people will be like, yeah, this guy knows what he's talking about. I am concerned with Cade Cunningham, though.
And it's not just because in the game that I really sat down and watched, he blew it in that one game that he had. But it's also because he's vegan.
And that, to me, like, if you're a vegan going into the NBA, like Jalen Green, he's 180 pounds.

He'll probably be able to put on another like 20 in a good weightlifting program.

Cade Cunningham is probably going to lose weight over the course of his career.

So I'm concerned about that.

And I'm also I'm interested to hear what our resident nutritionist, Billy Football, has to say about that.

You can't trust a man made of plant proteins.

That's his durability and his mental yeah yeah you tweeted that that at me when i when i mentioned he's a vegan and you're you're absolutely right i don't think i think that's indisputable um i was a little kind of i mean it's he moved like one pick down from where everyone thought he was gonna go but i do think jalen Jalen Suggs is really fucking good. So that was a steal for the magic.
Also, Woj just owns the world because it feels like the NFL, everyone's so scared to tip picks. Woj told everyone what the first three picks were in the draft, which wasn't exactly breaking news, but he did it at like 2 o'clock.
He just was like, yeah, this is exactly how it's going to go and it went exactly like that. And he's doing his little thing, you know, like this team is strongly, you know, is strongly interested in them and then they get picked.
So it's weird. This is, I think, I'm going to actually say it right now.
I think this is officially the last event that is going to be off schedule, which'm i'm very happy for this to be over with because it does feel weird that the nba draft is happening this late during the olympics all that stuff like i think this is it i think we are finally back on schedule boys i think we did it i think this is it am i am i missing anything i don't i don't think so Yeah i think this is officially officially it where we finally like the nba season obviously went a lot deeper the draft got pushed back but now we're here and now it's over we're back on a regular schedule where things happen at the regular time and we all can get our clocks synced up and it feels good because i was sick of it i i like having today have the NBA draft and like came out of nowhere for me. It's like, fuck, what's going on? Everything's going on at the same time.
So we've made it. We've made it, boys.
I just had one fun trivia question. So I've been I've been keeping this one in my back pocket for the last hour or so.
See if you can solve this riddle of the draft how many duke players have been drafted in the first round of the draft this year okay so i'm really happy you asked that because um now are we saying duke players that played at duke or guys that said they might play at duke but then decided they'd rather get paid uh above the board board by the G League and not have to deal with Coach K belittling them and taking away their jerseys and all that stuff? That's a good question. I'm going to go with the first definition.
So all things considered, if you didn't ever play at Duke, how many players do you think got drafted out of Duke this year?

Zero right now.

Zero as of right now.

We're 17 picks in.

It's zero is the answer.

Yeah.

Wait, let me just double check.

Yeah, we're still at 17.

Trey Murphy, he went to Duke.

No, no, wait. He was ACC, played at Virginia.

And he's actually from Durham, North Carolina.

Oh, wow.

Really?

His mom went to UNC. Check out the interview on the bench mob North Carolina.
Oh, wow. Really? Wow.

His mom went to UNC.

Check out the interview on the bench mob this week.

Oh, nice plug, Jake. Yeah.

Alpha male.

So you have more guys from the city that Duke's in that didn't go to Duke

than actually played at Duke.

Wow.

How many guys?

His players are dodging the draft.

So zero Duke players in the lottery.

How many guys in the lottery were on the benchmark?

Murphy was three picks off, so three.

Three, wow.

Okay, so are you guys the new – you're the new recruiting powerhouse

in college basketball?

I guess you have a point there, Big Cat.

Credit to you.

They're smart.

Yeah, there are twice as many players named Jalen that got drafted um then even took a visit at duke probably in this first round of the draft the only other thing i had was off the draft was uh josh primo i just you can't lose with a guy named primo that's such a great last name so shout out to the spurs way to go and also the spurs how long actually let me throw this

out there how long because we're probably gonna not win a gold because pop whatever fuck the olympics we'll talk about in a second the spurs have not been good in a few years how long does it take until we start questioning spurs picks instead of doing the thing where we say oh well the Spurs pick. It'll be great.

Hmm. I feel like

I'm already at that spot

unless the player comes from a different country. If it's a player from like South America or Eastern Europe, I'm like, pop does it again.
Strikes again. Great job.
It's kind of what we do with the Patriots in the NFL draft is like they get a running back in the third round. That's like the fastest player ever to exist.
And like, wow, how did this guy fall to them? So pop knows something if he's taking a player that I haven't really been able to watch any tape of. Yeah.
And, and the first international guy that was taken in this draft was Josh Giddey from Australia. Really good guard, really good at passing can't really shoot.
Stop me. if you heard that one before.
Yeah. Does he dunk? Will he dunk? Shout out Ben Simmons.
Dude, someone needs to fucking talk to Ben Simmons because he's not doing the Olympics because he's going to work on his game. We always joke about the guys who post the Instagrams being like working on my game like look at me doing box jumps ben simmons is the one case where he should do that like just throw up one random instagram of you shooting threes it would do a lot for your image instead he's doing like instagram stories of him laying in a pool during the olympics of when he was supposed to be working on his game he hasn't done shit You don't even need to post a picture of you working out, like post a picture of you walking into your psychiatrist's office, like at least do a Photoshop of you sitting down across the room from Dr.
Melfi and be like, really figured out some ways to get some stuff off my chest. Like get, get people talking about you in a positive light.
You could, you could post a picture of you tying your shoes in what looks like a basketball setting and people like man he's putting in the work it's really anything besides just laying in a pool or i mean you could also take the option of just getting so blackout drunk every day that it starts to affect your short-term memory and people even spin that into being like this okay he's hitting the reset button on his life right now this This is good. Because something has to change with Ben Sims.
I actually was hoping that he was going to go out to the Lakers just to see how that dynamic would have worked. Who knows who's going to get him right now.
But instead, they got Russell Westbrook. Yeah, so Skip Bales, Kings State Kings tweeted, Now the Lakers have a backcourt of West brick and lay brick,

a nightly air ball display.

I am just so excited for this.

This,

I don't,

it's going to be awesome to watch.

It really is.

And I don't,

I'm not a Westbrook hater.

There are a lot of Westbrook haters.

He's probably like the most volatile,

you know,

either you love him,

love him, or you despise him, even though he puts up great stats. I'm somewhere like, I think he's good.
Like, I don't think you should diminish the fact that he's very good at basketball. Yes, he does kind of suck at shooting.
And yes, he will do things at times where you're like, what the hell's going on? I guess if you're a Laker fan, you're just like, well, it's LeBron's team. so he'll at least fall in line there.
But there will definitely be some moments where Westbrook will try to take over the game and LeBron will just stand there exacerbated. And it will be great to watch.
Great theater, as they say. Oh, I can't wait till the first night where he goes like five for 27 from the field and just keep shooting and see how LeBron handles that.
For a sneak peek what we're in store for next year I'd like to bring on a special guest this is this is Skip Bayless's initial reaction he made a video where he's just staring into his camera a message to LeBron James from Skip Bayless no no no no no LeBron you just blew it no more fits with you than I would fit with you. This will turn into a desperate disaster.
I know you are going to show the NBA world you can win with Russ when KD failed to. Not happening.
You will come to regret signing off on this deal. He sounds like an evil supervillain.
No, no, no, no. I actually think that that would make you feel good if you're a Laker fan, that Skip Bayless is so adamant that it's not going to work.
Well, my only question is, and they might play basketball differently in Los Angeles, so maybe you can help me out. How many balls do the Lakers play with? It's just one.
They play with one basket. That my the only thing i thought maybe if they had two it might work uh but yeah no like i actually think that was dog on him yeah i hate when people go out like here's the one thing i'm gonna say about russell westbrook that it drives me nuts when people like rip him apart and i get it i understand like there are times like i said there are times you're like what is this guy doing russell westbrook fucking cares and he gives like a lot of effort and i think that i really do think that if you if you look at it as like it's lebron's team it's lebron's city it's lebron's everything he will make russell westbrook fall in line and that in itself should work.
Like it should work. I think it's kind of like, it's the opposite.
I agree with you. I love Russell Westbrook.
I'm a Russell Westbrook fan. He has bad night shooting, but he's an exciting player to watch, especially when he just decides to go nuclear halfway through a game and just explodes on everybody.
I love Russell Westbrook. I think he cares so much that he's going to be the one that gets pissed off at LeBron.
I think that he's going to see like a couple of games in the middle of the season, like LeBron doing load management or whatever. And Russell Westbrook is going to get pissed off about that because he might not think that LeBron wants to win as much as he does.
In which case we're going to be in for a little like who's Batman, who's Robin. Obviously it's going's going to be LeBron but Russell Westbrook I don't know if he's going to be able to like work in a system where he's very clearly supposed to be the Robin because he's a dog wait big cat you want your son to be like Russell Westbrook oh yeah yeah I do I want my son okay I want him to sound like it's Russell Westbrook.
Okay. Yes.
Yes. I think actually the moment that you'll have first strife is when Russell Westbrook steals a rebound from Anthony Davis and LeBron.
Like when they're both going for a rebound and Russell Westbrook comes flying in so he can keep getting his triple-double. That will be fun to watch.
As long as you still have Caruso. I've got faith in the team.
But it's going to be fun to watch how those guys get along. Okay.
So moving on down the line, U.S. soccer, dominate, cutter, go fuck yourself.
That's it. That's all I got.
Yeah. So, I mean, another Gold Cup domination.
The USA is at our best. We want it.
When we get to play in tournaments that we make up just so that we can put trophies in our empty trophy case. Like we dominated the League of Confederations Extraordinary Cup or whatever that was a couple of years ago or months ago.
When was that? I feel like that was years ago. So we already.
Yeah, we beat Mexico for some hardware. Now we have to beat Mexico for more hardware.
I'm actually counting this as the finals PFT. so well yeah i mean like two north american rivals of guitar and the united states yeah i mean this was it was rivalry week i love that they can like do this where it's like you have a continent playing for a tournament and then just random teams can basically pay their way in that was so i was talking about it the other night in Qatar, which iron sharpens iron.
They're hosting the World Cup. So they essentially are like, we need to play in a bunch of tournaments so that we're better.
And they just bought their way into the CONCACAF. That doesn't sound like the FIFA way.
Yeah, it's fucking awesome. So wait, maybe this is this is us doing Qatar or Qatar.
We need to figure out, we need to all get on the same page as Americans going into the World Cup to figure out the correct way to pronounce it and then all go the opposite way with it because I'm sick of having both pronunciations be out there all the time. Is it Qatar or Qatar? I go with Qatar just because it's easier.
Yeah, but but then they were saying guitar on here but hopefully if we invited them into our very elite prestigious gold cup tournament maybe they'll scratch our back a little bit with the world cup maybe we'll get some of that uh some of that uh good referee magic you know yes yes um all right and then we have the olympics uh i actually i saw a tweet that was so perfect. It was like whoever decided that six six hours of swimming every four years is the perfect amount.
Like credit to you, because it's so true. Like that is the perfect amount of swimming.
That's exactly how much swimming I want to watch. Six hours every four years.
Bring back the body suits. That's all I want.

Like, remember, they don't have the body suits anymore because in China in 2008,

every single record got broken because people were wearing suits that like propelled them through the water at an unfair rate.

And so now there aren't any more world records being broken because no one can beat the fucking 2008 Aquaman,

like costume records that they put up. The Tor the torpedo ian thorpe yeah from australia he was a badass what i miss about this olympics is usually in swimming you get something extraordinarily weird that happens only every four years so sometimes you'll have everybody just decide to show up wearing a full body like latex gimp suit.
And then they all break world records. Other years, you'll have people lining up ready to dive in.
And it looks like Marv Albert has just gone to town on their backs with all the red circles that are like on their shoulders. The cupping phenomenon of a couple of years ago.
But this year, we don't really have any any weird costume stuff going on. And I'm I miss that a little bit about the Olympicsics it's just the dude caleb dressel who spells his name weirdly and has sick tattoos and is i'll just say it he's hot he's very hot he's a very attractive dude um and i'm proud that he's american i also had an idea i think synchronized swimming i was watching it the other night i think you should be able to like you should get more points if you people.
So like, if you can do a 10 person synchronized diving, it was sorry, synchronized diving. If you can do 10 people, you should win.
Like if you can get 10 people to do it, cause why, why two, why are we stopping at two? Make it fucking three, four, five. So then it's like, all right, you can be perfect with two or you can be 95% with seven.
That guy, that team should win. Well, and I mean, they should also get identical twins to be doing the synchronized diving.
I feel like that's an absolute no brainer. If your country has identical twin, put them in the synchronized diving program as early as you possibly can, because they're going to have such a leg up, even if they're off a little bit, their physical similarities are going to like cover that up a lot lot i also think that there should be a swimming event where it's like a 50 meter freestyle but it's eight people that can't swim and you just see who can who can figure it out on the fly the best who can who drown if you drown your family gets the gold medal yeah yeah that's yeah you said you've sacrificed yourself to the olympic spirit i also want to point out um so the new zealand rugby team they're the all blacks the basketball team they call themselves the tall blacks the badminton team calls themselves the black cox oh nice nice just a little interesting fun little nugget yeah um okay uh And then Simone Biles.
So I've had some time to process this. I'm opting out of all discussion about Simone Biles simply because there's, like, it's one of those discussions where it is either all the way on this side or all the way on that side.
And there's literally no like nuance or actual discussion being had. And as soon as you see it happen and people start screaming at each other and, you know, it just becomes there, no one's actually having a conversation.
So I've opted out of all Simone Biles discussion because no one is actually trying to change each other's minds. No one is having a discussion.
It is just how much you can yell your side as loudly as possible. Yeah, so this is one of those circumstances where, like, we don't have to have an opinion on everything, especially something that we have no idea about.
Like, we don't know what happened to her even. All we know is, like, the after effects of her decision and what her decision was, but nobody has any idea what was happening to her at the time.
Like when, when Kevin Love talked to us on the show about his mental issues, he was explaining to us how if you have a mental health, like an anxiety attack, it actually does manifest itself in physical. You can see physical results and like physical symptoms of what you're going through, which would make you unable to compete.
People applauded him when he took that break. People applauded CeCe Sabathia when he was in the middle of a World Series chase.
I think it was before the playoffs started and he took time off to address his mental health. We don't know what what was happening to her.
I just I heard somebody say that she got the twisties the twisties yes that is like zoomies it's a horrible horrible thing like essentially you just lose where you are in space and time and like i was reading this article that uh some some former gymnast says yeah oh yeah i i had the twisties and i broke like my back because i just you get up in the air and the trick you've done a thousand times, you all of a sudden don't know how to land it and then you do an extra spin or something. My bigger point is Simone Biles goes out of the competition.
If your very first reaction is either to say she's a quitter or to say that she's the most courageous, bestest goat of all time you just i i don't know what to say to you because like nothing in life is like that you know what i mean there's some truth in all of these things like you just no one wants to like it just became so so polarizing so quickly it was actually one of the most polarizing things as fast as it happened it was so crazy how quickly it became either she is the greatest of all time and that was the most courageous thing she could have ever done or she's the biggest quitter and she's a disgrace to usa which those people like dude if you care that much about the olympics give me a fucking break like i joke about it but like dude you could you tell me like what happened how how we did in the medal count in like the last 20 olympic like who the fuck cares honestly we won who cares yeah but you don't win the winter olympics i still watch it i just don't care it's it's take culture big cat this is hot take culture that we've that we found ourselves in the middle of credit to us i would like to say actually that this segment on Simone Biles is probably the most courageous podcasting segment regarding the – it's the most nuanced. I would say we quit on it.
Did we? Yeah, we just quit on it. But Big Cat, no, I think that we were not in a proper headspace to be able to assess the situation correctly.
So we're actually giving more opportunities for others to make their takes and have their takes get more shine, resulting in a better hot take ecosystem for all. So I think you could consider ourselves heroes to a certain extent, especially what you just did by explaining the twisties.
I did not know what the twisties were. It sounds like I lived my life in the twisties.
You just forget where you are in the air like malaysian air flight 370 yeah you know it was fucking that's kind of that's kind of fucked um but yeah the uh it is kind of fucked is it too soon i i haven't found it did it not get lost in space yeah are you still listening malaysian malaysian 70 had the twist twisties and got lost in the air yes yes oh so you went double down on that joke yes yeah um yeah it i read when i was reading about it i was like well this is something that's the other thing is let's just be honest like just just as honest with you as we possibly can be about this whole situation anyone who commented

right away knows nothing about gymnastics except for like a very very small percentage everyone else is just saying whatever the fuck they want to say just so they can be heard and it's like i don't know this sport i have no fucking idea what is going on i don't know if they were going to win the gold i don't know if they were eliminated i don't know if she helped the team Did she hurt the team?

Who the – like, you don't know.

So it's just crazy to have that severe of a reaction when you know nothing about this sport that you watch like for four hours every four years so the whole thing was insane i i also i do think that like i think part of the reaction that obviously lessened was the idea that she had withdrawn from the team competition was going to be in the individual competition. Obviously, she's not in either.
So it's like kind of an egg in everyone's face. That was what they were standing on.
Like the immediate reaction of, oh, but she's going to compete in the individuals. No, she's got some things that are going on right now.
And to call her a quitter is crazy. So I don't know.
I was exhausted by the entire discourse, and I wasn't even involved. I didn't even put my toe into it.
I felt like I was dizzy. I was getting dizzy from all the takes that were flying around to the point where Lenny Dykstra had a take today.
He took some time out of showing up at the Federal Reserve and demanding to get his money out of their account in New York City for that's a whole nother story we need to dive into. But he said, like, I respect Simone Biles decision.
Like athletes know that sometimes you deal with mental issues. And if you're trying to play a sport, well, I was like, what the Lenny Dykstra is bringing nuance to this conversation?

Like what the hell is going on? I got the twisties in the conversation and the general debate around it. I do think it's very funny that, and this is the meatball in me.
I find humor in it. I'm not saying that I think like this, but the instant reaction of a lot of people to be like well i remember when i was in fucking when i was 10 years old and i struck out four times and then i fucking got up there and hit a home run the fifth time and my parents didn't let me quit just a little bit different than what we're talking about here just a little bit yeah it's sports and yeah competition is good i love competition i think i do think there should be more competition in the world.
I think competition makes people better. But yeah, it might be a little bit different than like little Johnny striking out in T-ball versus the fucking Olympic golds.
And this and this gymnast who's doing shit that like you could even do in a video game. Like you couldn't match the buttons fast enough to do it in a video game, let alone doing it in real life.
To a certain extent, I don't want to say I like it, but it is, it's entertaining to me watching people break out those arguments of like, what they did when they were in high school. Like on my high school hockey team, I was the backup goalie and I came down with a flu and you know what? I was puking my brains out, but I still sat on the bench with my teammates as we won the state championship.
And I learned a lot about myself that day. I love that.
I love that everybody has deputized themselves as being ESPN pundits. Yes.
In this age of the internet. Still one of the greatest callers of all time was 670, the score in Chicago when Derek Rose tore his ACL.
And he didn't in the whole year after when he was like oh will he come back will he won't and a guy called in and was like i tore my acl and i was golfing 18 holes nine months later there it is point fucking taken dude point taken like i i don't know what to say to that you're right derrick rose should be out there playing basketball in the NBA right now. It is crazy that big cat right now we are on vacation and you know, this whole show is on vacation.
So thanks again for, for Bubba being here to help us produce a show. But it is crazy that you're on vacation right now with your kids and you're not practicing load management.
And one day you do want to be able to walk across the stage at their graduation. You should probably keep it in perspective, though.
Don't push yourself too hard, okay? Yeah, and listen, if you want to talk about a real quitter in sports, we're going to talk about Aaron Rodgers on Sunday. Got a lot to say about that motherfucker taking Blake Bortles' job.
I'll do a little teaser. My take on Aaron Rodgers, let's just say I think I'm on his side.
I think he's quitting on his marriage. I think I'm on his side.
So we'll save that for Sunday. But just a little teaser.
I think Justice for – and like actually on his side, not jokingly on his side. I think I'm on his side.
There's one other Olympic thing I wanted to point out. The Chinese power lifter, the guy that weighed, like, 160 pounds, and I think he clean and jerked 435 pounds, total psycho.
His Instagram is a must follow. You should check it out because all of his pictures are just him doing deadlifts.
And the caption on all of his pictures are my balls are okay. Or, or my balls are fine with a sunglasses emoji as he's putting up like world record deadlifts, just electric follow online.
I mean that we will shout out his, what's his Instagram handle. Let me follow.
Get that. I I'll bring it up.
All right. While you find it, I'm just going to set us up real quick.
We have a Mount Rushmore coming up. You're going to hear a voice in the Mount Rushmore that you probably don't recognize in this episode until this point.
It's because we taped it last Sunday. So Hank is there, so it was taped last Sunday.
So there will be that voice that you'll hear during Mount Rushmore. Just want to give everyone a heads up so you're not like, whoa, what the fuck's going on? It was taped last Sunday.
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Perfect. All get to our mount rushmore okay mount rushmore time uh we're going to do the mount rushmore of things that you yell at your tv while watching sports it's a good one this is a really good one i can't believe we haven't done this i actually think that we probably have at least five or six of the same options.
So I came up with a big list. Yeah, me too.
There's some very obvious ones on here, but yeah, very contentious it's going to be. Okay, so same way.
Everyone guess a number and then closest number gets to decide the order. Okay.
Oh, wait. Oh, shit.
We didn't guess. Alright.

Let this run.

Let this run and then we'll guess. Is this a practice

round? Is this a practice round? See what the machine's feeling

right now? I would have guessed 24.

I was going to guess 32.

Alright. Hank, your guess.

Just a number.

50.

50.

60.

Jake and Billy?

Don't you fucking do it.

69.

I guess five.

That was a stupid guess.

I just realized that was stupid.

Yeah, that was dumb.

That was really stupid.

I should have guessed 25.

82. really stupid i should have guessed 25 82 all right so what do you want the order to be boys jake and billy i think this is like you said going to be a popular one same pick so we'll go first okay and then where you want to go you want to go hank and i'll come around sure all right so we'll go wrap around the room And then where do you want to go? You want to go Hank and I'll come around? Sure.
All right. So we'll go wrap around the room.
All right. Here we go.
You suck. Oh.
Going negative first. Interesting.
Was that your pick or was that Billy's? That was actually on my list. Wow.
Foul mouth. We're going for the win here.
That was one of the worst 1-1 picks of all time. It's pretty bad.
Yeah. Like actually the worst.
You might say it. I'm ready to say it right now.
People say it all the time. Why are you such a hater, dude? Yeah.
Me? Jake. Oh, yeah, that's true.
But I'm confident in saying, and no hate to you guys, worst 1-1 pick ever. There are people yelling at their radios right now, you suck.
Yeah, you guys suck. I don't think you understood the prompt.
No, he gets it. That was a blown pick.
You know what? I'm calling right now, you suck is a bust. Alright, we'll see.
I mean, you can still make up for it, but you don't think... I don't have you suck on my list.
I, neither do I. I've never yelled you suck at a TV.
Yeah, I think – Players, yeah. No, I would yell you motherfucker before I'd yell you suck.
Well, that's my brain. Okay, okay.
You're just too polite. That's also – yeah, that's like the peak of your swearing.
So that's as far as you'll go. Okay.
I'm not a pander, so I'm just going to go with my heart. And the one thing I say most consistently when I watch games, basketball,

obviously this is for basketball, but I say it sometimes for other sports is and one.

Okay.

I love to just yell and one.

You do.

You yell it not even when we're near a basketball.

Yeah.

No, it's just I love to say and one.

Uh-huh.

All right.

It is true.

That is, I can absolutely attest to that if you ever even, like I'm saying,

you do it when we're not near a basketball court, but then when we are near a basketball court, that's all you say. Yes.
Yeah. All right, I'm shocked that this lasted to pick three.
Easy one for me. Let's go.
Okay. Anytime anything good happens, let's go.
Okay. Clap it up.
How many O's did you have on your list? Three. Okay.
Yeah, maybe I didn't understand the problem.

But, okay, so I'll go. I have two.
I mean, easy first one for me is ball whenever there's a fumble, screaming that at the TV. And then my second pick will be...
I always... Now, when we do the graphic, can we actually say...
I yell, watch out on the blind side. Whenever there's a quarterback about to get hit, I yell, watch out.
Okay. Because you have to let them know that they're about to get hit.
All right, that's pretty good, too. Yeah.
I just want that in parentheses that it's for a quarterback because watch out makes no sense without context. Watch out to a quarterback about to get hit on the blind side.
I have a similar answer, but it's... Oh, okay, I like that.
Yeah, it can be the same. Yeah.
Yeah. All right, my second one is timeout.
Okay. I'm like five seconds ahead of a coach.
Yep. I feel super smart.
I'm like, why isn't Colin a timeout here? Call a timeout. Timeout.
Timeout. Yep.
Okay. Hank, I just want to get back to these guys to see what they're going to do.
Because we're doing a great job. I will go with picket.
That's when your team's on defense. Similar to A1, I probably overuse it.
Every time the opposing quarterback throws it, before anything happens, you're just like, pick it, pick it, pick it. The Malcolm Butler thing probably put that in your brain for life.
You can will players to have a big interception. Well, I was in the concourse for that, but sure.
Okay. People forget.
Billy? Billy's now taking control of the team.

Shoot.

Good. Shoot it.

Good job.

Welcome to the draft, boys.

Good pick.

Good back on track here.

That's a good pick.

Now, do you want to say specifically a sport, or is that just shoot?

It's multiple sports.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, well, there's different.

What?

There's anything except football.

But I think that someone could now say a specific shoot. Yeah.
I don't want to make it specific. No, I don't think so.
Yeah, I think you could. You could, for sure.
I think there's a very specific shoot. There is one specific shoot.
I'm thinking. No, but it's the same for hockey and for basketball.
Correct. No, but no.
No, but it's the same word, so yes. Yeah, but no.
But no but yes. But there's one.
You should probably take four hockey. No.
You should take two. It's the same word.
No, but the hockey one has more words. Oh, okay.
Wait, we get the second picker. Don't do it again.
Pucks on net. Okay, all right.
I guess people say that. Do you want that back? No, no.
Do you want that back? He stepped up to the podium. Shoot the puck is probably the more common phrase.
Yes, shoot the puck is what we were talking about. So is that our official pick? No, you said pucks on net.
You said shoot any different thing. Then what's our second one? Shut up.
Pucks on net. No, no, no, our second overall.
Shoot it. Shoot.
Shoot it. But you were making us pick something, I thought.
No, I said that shoot the puck is still on the board, I think. Shoot and shoot the puck are two different things.

Shoot the puck is still on the board because they took pucks on net.

Yes, yes.

What are you talking about?

Just shoot.

Just shoot, period.

Shoot.

Yeah, that's yours.

Yes.

Okay.

Right.

Shoot the puck is different, though.

You're talking about basketball.

Shoot the puck is unoriginal.

No, shoot the puck is what you yell when you're watching a hockey game and there's a power play.

Okay.

I yell shoot it, but whatever. Teach their own uh get in the hole okay okay you do that tv yeah okay yeah actually no i do like an iron it is a big in person as well i i'm realizing with my list is i like to just like even though it never really happens i like to just always root for something to happen before Like after the act occurs, whether it's shooting, hitting a golf shot.

Yeah. even though it never really happens, I like to just always root for something to happen before.
After the act occurs, whether it's shooting, hitting a golf shot, I like to say, get in the hole, even if it might not. I like to say, and one, even if it's not an and one.
I like it. Pick it, even if they're not going to pick it.
I'm just trying to speak my ideal instance into existence. Got it.
I'm just going to go with a nice, simple, clean, goddammit. Anytime anything bad happens.
Goddammit. I don't think there's a better way of expressing disappointment while you're watching sports.
Yeah, that's good. I guess I'm more I'm trying to be more of a coach on the couch because my next two picks here, right? Slow it down.
Big time slow it down guy. When you're watching a basketball game and it's just fucking haywire everywhere.
Slow it down, slow it down, slow it down. Or if you need last shot or whatever.
And then, oof, this is tough. I have a pander pick that I will save for honorable mentions.
Or do you want me to say it right now? No, just take it. No one's going to use it.
Take it. No, I'm not going to take it because it is a straight up pander.
I have one that's kind of a pander pick that I will save for honorable mentions. Or do you want me to say it right now? No, just take it.
No, I'm not going to take it. Because it is a straight up pander.
I have one that's kind of a pander, too. I bet you we don't have the same pander.
It's probably... I would be shocked if it was a same pander.
I'm just going to say the pander. This doesn't count.
Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. Absolutely not.
Fine. Just say it as one of your picks.
No, no, this is my last pick. I want you to pander.
No, no. You want to pander so bad right now.
No, I don't. No, I actually am totally moved on to it.
I'm not even looking at that part of my list. You won't.
Shut up, Billy. You won't.
Shut up, Billy. I'm going to pander.
Okay, this is not my pander pick. But I do love to yell, and I think everyone loves to yell, ball don't lie.
Yeah, that's a good one. Ball don't lie.
That's good value in the fourth round.

Yes, ball don't lie. Ball don't lie feels

good. Especially because you've been wronged and now it's ball don't lie.
And you are showing that you know a little bit about the history of the game. It's something that a basketball player would say.
Yeah, right. Alright, my last one.
Not my pander pick. My last one's going to be, shut the fuck up Mark Jackson.
That is a pander pick. I mean, it's true.
Yeah. You say it and you mean it.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo push. I mean, I've never said it to the TV, but people would definitely vote for it.
I don't know how much of it. How big of an audience do you think? I think people would do it because that's all like people don't know F1, but they know we say push push.
Billy and Jake are at odds right now. This is a good Mount Rushmore boys.
Yeah, I feel like I'm definitely missing a couple, but the one that I had on my list that was similar to yours, Big Cat, is just blitz. Just scream out, blitz!

Are you saying blitz like you're calling

it out for the quarterback?

Like dial something up here?

Similar to the watch out.

You're getting your protection right for the offensive line.

You see it before.

56 is a Mike.

So, I can't believe this one has been taken, but just...

I'm going to preface it with...

No, no, no. I'm backing you up here.
We made a pact to do two and two. Right.
So this is my turn to take my second, but I think... Because you suck was yours? Yeah.
I think this is redemption. Okay.
So I'm taking one for the team. Redemption for what? For that first pick that you guys hated.
You're really building this up to be a huge letdown. Yeah, but you shouldn't care about what we think.
So I'm surprised this one dropped so late in the game. But the classic.
Everyone turn your volume down. Oh, if you're going to yell.
Oh! Billy, hold on. Do it again.
So what is it? Just up. The way we go.
Whoa! Any big shot, any pick, any home run, any ball-making contact, everyone screams up. Okay.
I think three of us had a really good Mount Rushmore. What the fans put? The AWL.
Yeah, they will pick. They're definitely going to decide.
There's actually, I could go seven rounds on this. Yeah.
I have so many. I can't put this one to get picked.
One of my favorite ones, and maybe not everyone does, but I love yelling pass when you know it's a play action. That's fun.
When you're helping out the team. Well, along that same line, flea flicker.
Flea flicker. Calling out the flea flicker.
Hurry up. I'm really good at that.
Hurry up is the opposite, obviously. Slow it down.
Hurry up, hurry up, hurry up. Right at the end of a game what about um what about come on come on uh go for it gotta yell go for it i have that guy on my fantasy team yeah it's always a winner uh poison if you're a real football head on a punt uh-huh yeah i definitely yell that you don't yell that i'm a coach on the couch yeah i'm a coach on the couch or fire You call fire I had cash and wet On my list as well Oh I like wet Wet was a good one Bullshit get out Oh for baseball that's gone Yeah That's a miss See ya There's no place for that in whatever sport you're watching.
Yep. After a dirty foul.
Yep. The no, no, no, no, yes shot in basketball.
That's always a fun one. Foul.
Foul. It's foul.
Yeah. Could you...
One of you guys, just for the graphics purposes, like how are we going to spell your last pick?

O.

O.

No, that's O.

That's turning into O.

O.

No, no, no. This was one O.

Then four O's, two H's.

No, that's O.

That's definitely O.

One O and like five H's.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think if you're going O, it's got to be singular O.

I'll let you guys figure it out.

This seems like a real meeting of the minds.

What are you doing?

Just a frustrated screaming, what are you doing?

How about I fucking hate Andrew Siciliano?

Yep.

I hope he gets hit by a bus.

I say not just for, I say this for everything, but I just say kick him off the tour dog all the time. Yeah, you do.
Just for like any sport, if anyone does anything wrong on the opposing team. Go.
Go. Go.
Okay. That guy's still around.
That's good. He got it.
He got it. I don't think I have anything else.

Get him?

Let's see.

Get him?

Yeah.

You yell get him a lot?

Yeah.

Oh, I yell at screens sometimes in basketball.

I'll yell, like, pick left, pick right.

You know, you got to communicate with the guys.

Oh, after an interception that gets deflected at the line of scrimmage,

you have to yell tip drill.

Yep.

Let everybody know that you used to practice football.

After an interception, house it. Yep.
To the house. Yep, to the house.
House call. Yeah.
Some variation of that. Paging Dr.
House. Oh, I used to, this is very specific, but I used to love whenever Devin Hester would return a kick and I'd just yell, he's loose.
Sometimes he wasn't. It feels good.
It feels like he's loose if he's got something. Don't kick it to that guy.
Yeah. Kick it out of bounds.
Also, now would be a good time to fake it. That's a little extended but I do like to just have my input there.
Kickers have one job. Actually, college kickers.
That, college kickers. Yeah.
That's a good one to go. College kickers, yeah.
All right. I'm surprised you didn't say the over's dead.
Yeah. You say that a lot.
Yeah, I do. It's dead.
And I say it like two minutes into the game. Yeah, no.
Two seconds into the game. Pretty much your over undercounters on the second the game starts, and it's always pacing down.
I could do a whole other mount rushmore of just gambling reverse jinxes that i threw out there because i have that's pretty much the entire game of like well yeah thanks for coming out see ya these guys are dead no chance zero chance we're gonna blow it. We should do...
You want another noise?

Well, we literally...

That's the one noise everyone yells on all of our gambling last year.

I've never yelled,

Oh!

Oh!

What is it?

All right, give us an example, Billy.

What happens that makes you say, Oh?

We're watching the Nickelodeon game,

and there was a super long touchdown.

Everyone just jumps up and is like, Oh! I don't think so. Yes, what? When Malcolm Butler intercepted Russell Wilson on the go line, what did you say? He was in a concourse.
He didn't see it. I literally ran inside.
Oh, you didn't see it? No. No, that's why he did it.
That's why Malcolm Butler got that interception. People think it was Ernie Adams.

Okay, Joe Rogan, when that dude got knocked out in that viral clip,

he's just like, oh!

Yeah, just a dude being stoked.

Okay.

Yeah.

You're selling me on it.

Everybody does that. Yeah, you're selling me on it slowly.

I still can't believe Jake's pick.

Am I crazy?

Jake, what else did you have?

You suck. 1-1.
I'm going to start saying that now to vindicate Jake. I had no, no, no, no, yes.
Shoot the puck. You suck.
So were you mad when Billy said shoot it? Or shoot? I think he should have specified. Yeah, yeah.
Go ahead. What else? Foul.
Foul's good. These refs are terrible.
Okay. But I respect them.
Yeah, of course. And I could do better than him slash her.
Like when someone's talking about a broadcaster. No.
When have you said I could do better than her, Jake? When was the last time you said that one? That seems a little misogynist. It does.
I have not said either. I'm saying the general sports fan.
Oh, got it. That's what this is.
So I say everything that's on my list. Yeah, me too.
Your entire list was a pander. Yeah.
I literally sit there and just, like, listen to the broadcasters. All right.
No, Jake, yours should have been like, this guy's really good. Yeah.
This guy went to Syracuse. Fun fact.
Actually, you pronounce his name this way. Those are yours.
Or you guys are so mean. Yeah.
You say that a lot, too. Stop it.
Don't make me choose. Next time, I'll do my personal one.
Yeah, yeah. All right.
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I don't know if you caught wind that people blame me. They said I jinxed you.
I apologize. I still you I'm still on the Craig Engels train.
But yeah, you were you were in the Olympic trials. You're 800 meter 1500 meter runner unfortunately finished fourth, but we're really happy to have you on talk a little running talk a little olympics talk about your mustache and everything yeah bro well first off i don't believe you curse me but some people were messaging me um yeah thanks for having me on hopefully you uh can learn some stuff about running i don't know how much you know but well yeah we don't know anything i mean we, we know how to run.
I know that running sucks.

Yeah, running does suck.

So, yeah, I guess that would be my first question. How much does running suck if you're really good at running like you?

Marginally less than it sucks for you guys, I'm sure.

I think at any level, running still sucks.

And the worst part is it's the only sport I'm good at.

I wish I was good at darts or literally anything else besides running but unfortunately this is what i'm stuck with and try and make the best of it but um yeah dude the only fun part about running is actually like racing right i would imagine yeah the practices because you guys even though you're 1500 meter like how much can you actually just break down what a regular week would look for you like for you when you're training? Yeah. Yeah.
Um, I try and run like 70 miles a week. There's some runners that run like a hundred to 120 miles and that they're training for the marathon.
They're kind of crazy though. So, um, yeah.
And in a typical week I'll do like one long run, two workouts and then run every other day. Uh, we do two lifts a week.
I don't know if you can tell, but yeah, we can Jack. Yeah.
Yeah. Totally.
Uh, but yeah, that's about it, man. It's just, it's like, I honestly work like an hour to an hour and a half a day.
Um, and then I have to figure out what to do with the other 23 hours of my life. Uh-huh.
Now I I've heard about runners high. Is that real? Because that's really the only way that you could convince me to try running is if you're like, okay, if you get to a certain point, then you feel like you're on drugs.
Well, I live in Oregon, so a runner's high is a little different for me, but yeah, it's a, it doesn't happen. I honestly don't know what the hell people are talking about when they say that i've never experienced it i think it's just runners trying to convince other people that running doesn't suck so they're like yeah if you just run enough you'll eventually get high it's like no i don't think so i think it's just being tired yeah it's just like i'm exhausted and i don't have any oxygen in my brain anymore and my body wants to shut down you're like oh i'm totally wasted right now it's pretty sick yeah um i don't want to bring up bad memories but i mean we should at least talk about it so that race you finish fourth i thought and i don't know anything about running i was watching it it was 1 a.m on a sunday night i thought that it was almost a conspiracy to box you out and elbow you it felt like they were trying to keep my man craig angles down i really did believe that and again i don't know anything about running dude let's go with that conspiracy theory but um first off thank you for staying up till 1 a.m yeah i'm not quite sure what your your typical bedtime is but um i do appreciate it was it was we were recording the show and someone happened to tweet me while i was like climbing into bed And they're like, Hey, your guy's running in 10 minutes.
And I was like, well, fuck yeah. I'm going to watch.
And then I just got mad. I was mad for like, I didn't fall asleep for another hour.
Cause I was like, he got screwed. He got elbowed out.
No, dude. I don't, I honestly don't even know what happened.
I did get boxed in, but it's my fault. I think I just like, I'm so dumb.
I i just don't i somehow i've been running for 10 years and somehow still don't know how to knock it boxed in so what to explain that to us like explain the uh thought process in a 1500 meter race like positioning and you guys do throw fucking elbows right yeah bro uh not many not many elbows I think i think people will complain and you know it's not a very physical sport but uh i don't know man your brain like shuts off until one lap to go and then you're like all right this is go time like it's survival instinct and um i just got caught off guard from the defending olympic champion took off and i missed it because was boxed dead. They didn't want to see you win.
They did. It's a conspiracy theory, dude.
Would you have Sha'Carri Richardson to yourself if you had qualified? That would have been it, dude. Game over for her.
So you have probably the best hair out of any runner that I've ever seen. You've got the mullet working.
You have the mustache going on. I read on your Wikipedia page that you were elected.
You won best hair in high school. So is this something like you've had the mullet for a long time? Dude, did I win that? Who made up my Wikipedia page? I don't know.
That's how we do research on this show. It's 90% bullshit.
Did Big Cat get on there? No, I didn't do anything. 1 a.m.
Big Cat's on my Wikipedia. That's 90 no i didn't do anything 1am big cats on my wikipedia oh i don't know man we were i went to old miss actually so uh like we were down there just there's not much to do in mississippi believe it or not we're like let's make stupid haircuts bro uh so my teammate cut my hair and i was like i could grow a mustache now why not.
The mustache ties it together. I feel like if you had one or the other, it wouldn't work so well.
But right now it's like buffalo wings and blue cheese. You've got a whole ensemble going on.
It's beautiful. I think you need a mustache if anything, man.
I wish. I'm faceballed.
I can't do that. So I'll just live vicariously through yours.
He puts in the effort. Yeah.
Effort counts. I just look like a child molester if I grow my mustache out too much.
So I get a lot of weird looks. What is – so how old are you? Are you going to have another chance? Like is your running career – have you thought that far in advance? Yeah, bro.
I'm 27, and most people get real good at running when they're like 30. Really? Why is that? Yeah, so the Kenyan guy could be 45, but there's a guy from Norway.
It's 19. That's crazy.
So you do have another chance. You're going to have another chance.
Now, this might be a heavy question, but the thing that always is remarkable for Olympians to me is that you have to build up

for four years being like here's the moment and then the moment has to go right so are you already thinking like four years from now I'm gonna do this like this is I'm gonna get my redemption because that will be that'll be an all-time story if you can if you can punch your ticket to the Olympics in four years. I guess, man.
So in 2016, I was in college and I actually got fourth there. So I don't know if it's a curse, but.
Yeah, so it's only in three years now. So I waited five years actually for this one to redeem myself.
And then I just blew it. It all comes down to four minutes.
It's crazy.

That is nuts.

Oh yeah, three years from now.

Are you an alternate in some respects?

Can we still hold on to a little bit of hope

that if everything shakes out exactly perfectly

that you still might compete?

There's a little bit of hope,

but I've been partying for the last four weeks.

I like that.

The honesty there.

You know what you should do instead?

Okay, let's just write this one off.

I feel like you could actually do what Forrest Gump did in that movie.

You seem like the kind of guy that would just walk out of his front door

and be like, I'm just going to start running

and just go cross-country back and forth, back and forth.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't know if I should take that as a compliment that I'm being compared to uh no you should it's the greatest movie of all time he's a great guy yeah yeah he is a great guy you just seem like a lot of history you seem like a dude that's just like up for an adventure at any given time hell yeah dude uh I mean I'm down for anything but running across the country sounds kind of boring yeah that would suck so wait let's talk about i want to come race you guys i'll be in new york yeah no we're gonna try to set that up because we owe the people a tandem bike ride so we're not gonna do that but we're gonna maybe race around a track if we're on a tandem bike and you're running do do you think that you can beat us? 100%. Really? 100%.
You didn't let me finish. It's a marathon.
Okay. You're going to fall like 56 times.
Yeah. That's probably true.
All of my bike riding experience is on a stationary bike, so that doesn't necessarily translate well to track life. Wait, what if we had solo bikes? Could still beat us no way dude okay i'm not sure of your fitness but um not good okay that that leaves the odds a little bit more in my favor but probably not i think that we can beat him on a tandem bike i think if we get cooking on a straightaway he he can't catch up with us yeah i yeah i agree we could hit a mile dude okay what's your fastest mile time i've run 351 so far that's fucking insane how fast do you think is going to be the fastest anybody's ever going to be able to run a mile because at some point it's going to you're not going to be able to get any faster right no one's going to be able to run a mile in five seconds so what do you what do you think that that speed is for the human

race it's what it is now dude the mile world record is um three minutes and 44 seconds i think something like that yeah yeah the dude with the mile world record right now was so juiced up in like the 1990s that like drug drug testing i mean no one no one dopes anymore but this dude was just literally coursing with steroids.

I kind of like that.

I think we should have world records for steroid users. Like, we really should see how far.
We should have regular world records, and then world records, how far can the human body be pushed with help of steroids? Yeah, humans would just become like a horse. Yeah, huh? That's kind of cool.
Awesome. They'd start running on all fours and shit.
Yeah, the Minotaur Olympics. I would watch that.
Actually, I wanted to talk to you about that. Gambling should be in track, and they should do it exactly like horse racing, and I bet you we'd have maybe a little bit more exposure for the racing for the racing world i mean dude you guys set

it up i'll be your uh i'll be your like i don't know the guy who sets the odds is that a thing yeah yes that is a thing your bookie yeah they're bookie but i work for barstool yes and you set the odds i like that do you ever um do you wake up in the morning and know like i feel fast today Oh, no.

Really?

Not recently, dude.

You know, I've been on a bender, man. We're going to get back to Craig in just a second.
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All right, so let's talk some RVs because you also, the other part of your story that I love, you are an RV collector. And how many do you have? Do you only have one or do you have multiple? That makes me sound a little bit like a pedophile.
Yeah. that's okay because i've seen the pictures you look like a cool dude not like a pedophile a cool pedophile yeah right right exactly yeah dude yes that's perfect yes uh no dude i i don't know like i've been obsessed with rv since i was a kid um and now i like finally have enough money to buy shitty ones.
So I'll buy them and fix them up and then resell them.

And like,

that's what I do with the 23 hours of my day that I'm not running.

Oh,

that's sick.

So how many of you fixed up?

I think probably like 10 now,

maybe like eight to 10.

But the first one was when I was 18 years old in college.

That's awesome.

You have one that you're working on right now.

Yeah.

It was the one they posted on the NBC feed.

It's an old F two 50 with like a camper in the back.

It's kind of sick.

I'm going to show know how to drive stick how much, the camping top in it. But then I found out that it was a manual transmission, not an automatic.

I don't really know how to drive stick.

How much would that cost for you to turn that into an automatic?

Oh, I can't do that, bro.

You need a mechanic.

I'll make it look cool inside.

But, dude, you just got to learn how to drive manual.

It takes you a day.

I'll come up there and teach you.

I know.

I've done it before.

But also, I just don't trust myself getting on the highway with a manual, you know?

Especially in the city, man.

I don't know where you live but yeah new york city is not a great place to be driving stick for the first time no no i actually learned on an rv though my first rv was manual and i learned on that it was terrifying dude yeah shit um i uh i so can you explain real quick the point system in running because that was the thing i struggled with after your race everyone kept on saying no no craig angles might still make it i was like all right i'm just gonna hold out hope like what it made no sense i actually started reading about it and we need to fix the running point system because it's a joke you asked me if i could tell you about the point system yeah absolutely not because it makes no sense right i truly have no idea like how i even earn a point dude i just get out there like i'm not a smart guy at all that's why i convert rvs and run left turns bro so i'm not out there doing math like i don't know uh i was just like all right i gotta get top three but i got fourth yeah so you just you just literally go out there and you're like all right i'm just gonna start running fast and that's let the rest take care of itself that's that's seems like my thought process most of the time yeah are we gonna is amer to win the 1500 or are we going to lose? We're not, no. Fuck.
Yeah, if someone put out betting odds, there's a Kenyan guy that's going to win it. Got it.
So if you had gone, obviously it's a huge honor, but what would be your chances if you had gone gone uh i'd love to be cocky here and say like good chance of me winning but absolutely none okay yeah so i'm there for a good time yeah but here's the all right so here's our spin zone craig this these olympics suck they're like every no one gets to do anything there's no fans so you actually didn't even want to go to Tokyo. If you're here for a good time, it's the next Olympics, wherever the fuck that is.
Those are the ones we're going to. Paris, baby.
Paris is perfect. Oh, hell yes.
You're going to make that team. Yeah, bro.
I'll sign you up as my coach if I make Paris, man. All right, perfect.
I will literally trip someone for you. I will trip someone during the race for you.

If that counts, like if you could trip someone and they would let the actual race stand,

I will do that for you.

Hopefully, I won't need it next time.

So in 2019, I was like real fit and I won the USA championships.

And we got to go to Doha.

Ooh, where's that?

But it's in Qatar or Qatar. Yeah, Qatar, yeah.
Near Dubai and stuff, yeah. But, like, sadly, I just wasn't as fit this year because during COVID, I, like, gave up.
I wasn't really, like, training much, and I didn't really care. Okay.
That's a strategy that maybe didn't work in an Olympic year, but I like you being honest about it. Like, hey, the Olympic trials are coming up in six months.
Maybe now's not a great time to give up. COVID kind of sucks.
I'm just going to hang out. It's also like one thing you can do during COVID is, like, run.
Yeah, dude, most people got into running. I got out of it.

It got too crowded outside.

Yeah.

I love it.

So what we got to do is we got to just say we're all in for Paris.

Yes.

All in for Paris.

Get a Paris Olympics tattoo so that you know that you can be focused on that.

That's the one that you care about.

No, dude.

I was going to propose.

How about I get like, how about I get a, I get two logos on my jersey and this one's

not on my jersey.

How about I get like a part of my take or barstool logo?

Yes.

We were... I was going to propose.
How about I get two logos on my jersey, and this one's not on my jersey. How about I get a part of my take or barstool logo? Yes.
Yes. We will sponsor you like a NASCAR.
I don't want to be like the college kids. I want to be legit sponsored by you guys.
Yes. Yes.
No. You want cash.
I'll give you some cash. I want like 50 bucks, bro.
Oh, easy. Done.
an olympic gold i would absolutely get uh the rings tattooed somewhere on my body so that's your goal i would i actually give tattoos so i'll give you those olympic rings you'll tattoo it yes if you win a gold you know i'll say just a medal just if you win a medal if you win a medal in the olympics Uh-huh. Wait, how's the 800 race go?

Did you- No, I'll say just a medal. Any medal in the Olympics.
Wait, how'd the 800 race go?

Did you do the 800 meters as well?

No, I really wanted to.

But my coach was like, let's go all in on the 15.

Is it that much of a, like, you can't go all in on the 15 if you do both?

You can, and I did in college.

But, like, in college I didn't know what was going on. Like, like i don't know there's a lot more pressure when it's your job right and so like i'm sponsored by you now yeah right they'll drop me yeah right so so when you finish a 1500 meter all-out race when would you when is how long does it take until you could do that again oh maybe like an hour that's it jesus christ yeah it's pretty incredible that's insane so when you're running an 800 meter you just have to do you have to consciously tell yourself okay this is the pace that i'm supposed to be at like i guess that's my question how do you pace yourself for different races are you just kind of know how far away from the leader of the pack that you have to be i guess like i said i'm not very smart, man.
I just sit. If someone's in front of me going fast, I'm sitting right on them.
Drafting? Is drafting real and running? Totally. Whoa.
That's kind of cool. Yeah.
Shake and bake. Yeah.
Does it matter more if you're drafting in a 1,500 or an 800? Way more in a 1,500. Huh.
I would think it would be the opposite because they'd be going faster in the 800 which would mean that they'd be displacing more air in front of you i don't know i'm not very smart either but you're a science guy bro wait but the 800 you're the 800 is like probably the longest race that you're going all out the entire time correct yeah yeah actually look at you bro you know more about

running than me but it is like that's the craziest part about the 800 is you're essentially sprinting as hard as you can for 800 meters yeah so my teammate he's the fastest american of all time wow i don't know if you watched the 800 it was the first three days of the trials i didn't what. What was his time? So he actually had a broken leg.
Wait, what? He ran through it because he wanted to make the Olympics that bad, but he didn't do too well. But he's run one minute and 42 seconds.
Jesus Christ. I don't think I can do 400 meters in that time.
Can you just? It's 51 per lap, 51 seconds for 400 meters. you can just run through a broken leg no yeah he didn't he didn't qualify so no the answer is no but yeah he'll break the world record he's he's like the most talented human i've ever met in my life he's he could have played in the nfl the fastest american of all time what's his name donzier.
Donovan Brazier. And what's your fastest 800 meter

time? I rode 144,

so it's two seconds off, but

it's a lot more than you think.

You might, when you

come here and we go to a track,

I think you'd lap me.

I think you would finish two laps before

I finished one.

For the 800? Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

I think if you did 800 and I did 400, I think I might be able to beat you by like a second or two. I don't know if you guys have heard of the beer mile.
Have you heard of it? Yes. Maybe that would level the playing field, although I'm not bad at drinking.
I don't think it would level the playing field at all, Craig. I just told you that a mile time, it would take me like 10 minutes to run a mile and i mean just looking at you i i would say that the two best things that you are is like you're the best runner and the best beer drinker you just look like a guy that can chug and we we actually did a milk mile a few years ago that didn't you want to do the milk mile against us i don't think so man yeah yeah it's it Yeah, it's messy.
We should do the beer mile. Do you have a beer sponsorship? Because we're Coors Light.
I see that. I see that right in front of me, dude.
Yeah, so you're Coors Light too, right? Dude, so in 2019 when I won USA, someone threw me a beer. And then there's a photo of me holding the beer, debating whether to smash it on my head or drink it.
Yeah. And what did you do? It was a Bud Light.
So I reached out to Bud Light like 50 times trying to get a sponsor, and they never came back. All right, so we're going to get you sponsored by Coors Light, and then when you come to it, we're going to do a beer mile.
We'll do a beer mile. I don't want to run a mile.
We'll still do it on the tandem bike. Oh, we'll do the beer mile we'll do a beer mile what do you we i don't want to run a mile we'll still do it on the tandem bike oh we'll do the beer mile on the tandem bike yeah yeah okay that's yeah that's fine course like the official beer of exercise yeah it's fair what's your fastest beer mile i've never run one oh this would be this would be a big day okay uh what is your worst event Like, could I beat you in in a 50 yard dash? I bet you could No way I beat DK Metcalf No way I raced Antonio Brown in a 40 one time What did you get? Oh he dusted me I looked like a high school girl That be – what was your 40 time? Now he's going to say like 4.8.
Probably like six seconds, dude. Really? Yeah.
It's just like I can run my top speed for a long time, but my top speed is not very fast. Interesting.
So do you actually get tired at the end of like an 800 or a 1500? Or like how long does it take for you to get tired? Yeah. And so it's like, I don't know the science behind it, but they say it's called going lactic.
Right. So you just start tensing up and you start like running straight up in the air.
Yeah. And your whole body's locked up.
And I don't know if that's being tired or like my body's like, dude, you're done. And how long? When does that happen? Like, does that happen after? I would assume it happens after 1,500 meters.
Like, what's the longest you've raced? 5,000 meters, dude. For the three miles, you know.
And what was your time in that? 13 minutes and 36 seconds. What the fuck? Oh, my God.
You're a freak, man. You are a freak.
You don't even like running. Your body is just – you are quite literally built different.
You know that? Like you don't get tired. Your body just gives up before you even feel tired.
You've got some weird genes. I don't know, man.
Like what's funny is like it's impressive to you guys but to any other runner listening to this they're like that's so average at the world like at the world stage it really is i don't think there's like you're now talking about like very few people who would say that's average right like you gotta be a real dick to say that's average yeah i guess so i don't know man but you gotta give yourself more credit craig we gotta boost you up more i'm team angles dude you are you're full i really appreciate it yeah you're like you're putting yourself down you're running fucking three miles and was it 13 that's i that's unfathomable to me paris 2024 that's the mindset we all have to yeah yeah yeah maybe we just get the tattoos and just worry about it later what's up with um i do feel like there are a lot of runners out there that are kind of dickheads on message boards like they they always look at other runners and put them down or like try to find ways that they might be cheating has anybody ever accused you of like do you participate in that culture where you like upload your times to the internet no i don No, I don't. And this is actually hilarious, dude.
Like, someone accused me of, like, doping one time. And on my Instagram, people were like, bro, he's not even good enough.
Like, they're like, if he's doping, he sucks. He's taking the worst steroids ever.
Oh. I'm like, all right, well, there we go.
Oh, man. Well, Craig has been awesome and we got it i i know you're going to be in brooklyn and i think uh well we're going to air this next week so it might be even a few days we'll do we have to get together we got to find a track and we got to bring some coors light and we're going to do some tests on ourselves we could just drink coors at a track and not even run that's also down for that yeah also down for that make Billy run I mean yeah yeah perfect I I don't want to get over my skis here I feel like he's he could be a potential player I know yeah yes you're yes you're a Blake of running yes yes absolutely track of running yes but uh yeah let's get together so so we'll'll do that.
And I think we should do the tandem bike versus you beer mile. All right, brother.
You say so. I'm in.
All right. Well, Craig, this has been awesome, man.
Thank you so much. Good luck.
And hopefully we'll see you soon. Yeah, thank you so much for having me on, man.
I'm excited. Hopefully we can get running, like, exciting or something.
I don't know. Yeah.
Yeah. Yes.
All right. Good to meet you, man.
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We got Fyre Fest, by the way. Jalen Johnson, who did go to Duke.
Wait, Jalen Johnson, that's the guy who quit on Duke. He dropped out of Duke.
Yeah, so he's not a Duke player. Let me say, actually, I'm not going to say he quit on it.
It was courageous what he did against Coach K because Coach K probably made his life miserable playing at Duke. But he got drafted at number 20 to the Atlanta Hawks.
So shout out Jalen Johnson. Coach K is officially off the board.
Well, no, I think Jalen Johnson, he's not a Duke player. He's just not.
I don't think that we can count him as a Duke player. Did he play in the last game of the season for Duke? No.
And yeah, if you're a Duke alum, like the Duke alums who remember they like belittled Elton Brand and Carlos Boozer, pretty much anyone who left early to try to better their life. Yeah, you're right.
So taking him from a Duke alum um i would write a strongly worded letter to uh the durham gazette let's call it saying that jalen johnson never actually was a blue devil and we don't take him as one of our own unless he had ended up somehow being a lottery pick then we would have said score score another one for coach i actually think it's courageous what he did like he's getting the conversation going how hard is too hard for coach k to be pushing these players um he's the one that stood up and said enough is enough i'm standing longer i'm no longer a duke university basketball player yeah standing up to the man all right firefest the week uh pfc run should lead us off wait hey no don't do that no i'm not i didn't do that i didn't do that i'm literally not doing that i you're doing that no i'm not doing anything no no i made a funny joke i would never uh my fire my fire fest of the week is that i'm in a tornado right now so there's uh there's been like tornado warnings all My phone is blowing up every 30 seconds, telling me that there's a tornado that's like coming to get me personally. I think it's on my block.
It's making its way down the street door by door. And I am honestly just, I don't know what it says about me.
I'm just not afraid of tornadoes. I feel like I could take a tornado to the face, especially like a bitch ass New jersey tornado this isn't i'm not in oklahoma right now i'm not in kansas i feel like i could just like we just fart at a tornado and it would just blow kind of across the street tornadoes are fucking scary dude be careful get in a doorway go stand in a doorway don't shoot at it no that's an earthquake by the way that's an earthquake don't stand in a doorway go in your basement.
Don't shoot at it. No, that's an earthquake, by the way.
That's an earthquake. Don't stand in a doorway.
Go in your basement. Don't shoot at an earthquake? No, earthquakes stand in your doorway.
Don't shoot at the tornado. Why not? Because people did that, and the bullets come right back at you.
I don't know if that doesn't sound true at all. I'm serious.
There's no. Also, you just totally shoot a tornado.
All right. I read that online.
Do you also think that Kelvin Benjamin got cut because he was stealing food from the Giants facility, Billy? No, but I do have more info on that. Okay.
For the recap. Okay.
Oh, for the recap. Yes, Billy.
Lety let's go also uh u.s rugby lost the quarterfinals they're not back officially but the lads played well we got fucked by the ref they didn't even finish second we finished second in our group and then that meant that we got to play an easier matchup in the quarterfinals than if we had finished first obviously uh but then yeah we we went up three tries to nothing in the first half. And then the ref just, you know, it's hard to play.
We got a yellow card. So really at that point it was six versus eight when you include the ref.
I should have asked. I shouldn't have asked.
It was tough. Great showing by the last though.
Shout out to any barriers. Say something nice about rugby.
They got the little car. That's all you need.
Not only do they have the little carpet cat, but their little car has a rugby field on top of the little car. And then on that rugby field, there's another little car.
Fucking love it. Love it.
Love the little car. All right.
My fire fest is I went on vacation this week and I said I was going on vacation and most people play along with the joke, but then I, I, I really don't, I fucking shouldn't get triggered by it. But every now and then I do when someone's like, uh, why are you tweeting on vacation? Like you're a scumbag father.
And I'm just like, I really fucking hate this person. So, um, I'm never going to say I'm going on vacation again.
I'm just going to go on vacation, not not saying anything i was trying to make a joke out of it with aaron rogers it was funny and then people took it too far like and actually were like oh you're a scumbag dad like you're probably not even taking attention to your son it's like dude i'm firing off a tweet takes no time well big cats actually tweeting a lot less than normal usually when even when we're on the road and big cats driving i'll, I'll be laying down and running back at the RV. I haven't done that in forever.
You do tweet during shows. Yeah, so does PFT.
I don't do that anymore. I don't think I've ever tweeted during a show.
That's a lie. Big Cat tweeted during the Matthew McConaughey interview that we did on Zoom.
I remember seeing Big Cat tweet.

Yeah, I mean, sometimes news breaks.

What the fuck do you want me to do?

There's a lot of fucking news going on right now.

I can't be the guy who fucking shows up 10 hours later

after Anthony Rizzo gets traded to the Yankees.

That would be heartbreaking.

Yeah, so fuck those people.

I do like some of the people when people are like,

dude, you tweet too much.

It's literally my job.

It is my job.

It's my job. If I was doing another job, doing another job as a doctor i probably wouldn't be tweeting uh liam you got a fire fest uh yeah i do it was a classic future me situation so i have a cousin who i'm very cool with and she graduated from like somewhere hit me up like a month ago she was having a party and i was like i was like oh yeah of course like I'll be there about a week or two ago I booked an appointment to get a new tattoo and put a deposit down so I got the tattoo yesterday and this party is on Saturday and she hit me up like I don't know Monday or Tuesday and I was like oh fuck I'm still gonna get the tattoo but so now i'm just gonna have to see some of my family and like explain getting a new tattoo which i would rather not do but sweet but your tattoo guy does it matter at this point no but it still is like annoying when people are like oh like what does it mean why Why did you get it? Whatever.
They're not.

They're just not.

You need to go full sleep.

No, I'm working on it.

I'm working on it.

Asking a stranger like, oh, what does your tattoo mean?

That's like asking a soldier like, did you kill anybody?

It's annoying for you guys to have to deal with those people, right?

I am not going to make that comparison.

I respect the truth. Yeah.
Do people still do that? Do people call up to you like, did you kill anyone? That's such a dick thing to say. Yeah.
Yeah. People actually do that.
I could understand maybe like a four-year-old saying it. Or Billy.
Or Billy. Yeah, Billy's definitely done that.
But Billy's kind of a Navy SEAL, so he can say that. Jake, your fire press.
By the way, Jake is calling the game. Are you flying out today? This morning, yes.
Okay. I'm heading south.
South to Colorado Springs. Yep.
What time? Shout it out again just so people – because we got to – honestly, everyone's got to step up. Even if you're not going to watch it i listen lacrosse it's not watchable but still just turn it on so the numbers get used for jake yes so it's going to be a double header 7 15 p.m and 10 p.m eastern 7 15 is archers versus redwoods water dogs versus whip snakes 10 p.m eastern so you may be thinking it's late night on a saturday i'm not watching when you're pre-gaming getting ready to go out just put on peacock why not get on the cock yes also make sure to take pictures of jake's giant head from above the screen oh yeah yes definitely yes definitely um so my fire fest has something to do with that i went a few blocks down to print my charts my my little spotting boards oh i guess okay i can't see it yep uh in front of you i'll tweet out a picture okay these um it's like very special paper at staples like legal size color blah blah blah i go in i come out it starts pouring and i have to put it under my shirt i printed a few copies so i'm okay but like of course that's of course you can't call game without that so oh my god what you don't have a binder no you don't use binder use a manila folder which is over there how are you carrying it in the on the plane a manila Yeah.
In my backpack, which I didn't. What if something spills? I have a few copies, but like, what if something spills on the whole fucking manila folder? I have, I have it on my Excel.
I can always print something in Colorado. God forbid.
Okay. All right.
I'm just saying maybe I can seal that bad boy up, you know, put in a big Ziploc bag. But yeah, please tune in if you can.
And it should be fun. No, no, no, no, no, no.
That's not how we're doing it, Jake. If you don't tune in, you're a fucking scumbag and never listen to this show again.
It's mandatory. It's mandatory.
So let's do it that way. You know what, Big Cat? The ink isn't dry on the 2021 thank you words yesterday.
It'd be a real shame if we had to revoke the listeners of the year. Yeah, we actually file it and send in the paperwork.
And we usually don't get it for at least a month back. So, yeah, we can definitely change that.
Yeah. I talked to Coach Copeland yesterday.
He was asking. Who is that? You can't say that like we know who that is the head coach of your water dogs oh okay and he asked how ownership is doing and i said you know did you see did you see the fucking chart that someone put out there yeah most shots in the league that was most shots in the league they listen to us i asked about that too and he's like well we've played one extra game than a lot of these teams so it might be a little but i think it was per game yeah so uh saturday night jake i have a question for you are you do you have do you get nerves before a big broadcast because every time i've seen you do a show whether it's tool stream stadiums uh check out the uh the barstool the play barstool app i want to make sure to plug that in there since no one else is going to on this show today.
But do you get nervous before broadcast? Yeah, there's always some nerves. But once the game starts, it's good.
I think it's the anticipation that's more nerve-wracking. But once the game's rolling, once you get through the open, once you're calling the action,

the adrenaline really is there and you have fun with it.

Do you have a little symbol

that you have ready

for the people at home

that are watching?

Like a little,

maybe a hand gesture

or a little wink that you can do

to tell all the listeners like,

hey, I love you.

Thanks for watching.

We can brainstorm something.

I don't know if I'm going to be

on camera that much

aside from the beginning, but based for radio. for radio yeah exactly kind of do a slide we all have i don't think we're doing a slide but i'm not sure okay um i'm jake marsh pick your nose yeah do that i'm jake marsh sleep well or something like that something really nice

and good night at the end maybe good night sleep tight yeah good night sleep tight to sign off the broadcast yeah it'll be like midnight here in new york so right all right good night sleep okay uh we'll see we'll see. Recap.
Firefest. Quick Firefest.
That pie coin I was telling everyone to do is a scam. No.
No. Yo, all right.
Don't do it. Don't know.
Hold on. Let me just interject here real quick.
For people who don't know, there was a moment in time that Billy, they were calling themselves pioneers. I in the office it was billy marty mush and i think big f and i was like this how could you actually this is almost like when steven seagal invented bitcoin to gen like those three guys that's the brain trust yeah the brain trust i was like oh my god but there was a moment where it's like someone said oh these guys are at stanford and created it and billy's gotten and all these pies.
There was a moment where it's like someone said, oh, these guys are at Stanford and created it.

And Billy's gotten all these pie.

There was a moment where pie became legit.

Billy was going to be like a billionaire.

Unfortunately, it sounds like that never happened.

Yeah.

Basically, it's sort of a big kind of pyramid scheme-esque type of thing.

Wait, what made you think it was a pyramid scheme? Was it the fact that you had to get other pioneers to make yourself more pie? Yeah, that and the sort of pyramid part of it. Everyone in the office kept on asking me to tweet out their specific link.
They're like, dude, could you please tweet out my link for the pie and i was like this that's a pyramid scheme but three of them the three of those guys got into a fight with each other because they were all texting me their link and then marty was like you i already texted my link you can't text him your link now and they were actually like getting into a verbal altercation just based on who in the office was going to get sent different links. Yes.
So delete the app and stop asking people to mine Pi because the notifications are annoying. But if anyone from Pi wants to prove me wrong and maybe get it legit, Pi people, do your thing.
Billy, what are you doing right now what it sounds like it sounds like it might not be a scam but billy's trying to get them to pay him money no are you are you the ain't no fun with rabbit got the gun billy's scamming the scammers yeah i mean hey someone's got to do it yeah no but i'm not actually accept money from them. Just like make it legit so I can be a billionaire regularly.

Oh, yeah.

If they offered it, you wouldn't take it, right?

Yeah.

If they like actually made it legit and all the pie I have becomes legit,

like I'd totally take it.

But now their cycles are regular with sports.

We're coming up on NFL training camp.

So we've had two days of training camp and a lot of news. Would you guys like to hear some of it? Nothing about quarterbacks.
Nothing about quarterbacks. Yes.
Except Josh Allen because he's throwing really awesome seam and post passes. Okay, but that's nothing new.
Right, but it's impressing NFL veteran Here we go. Emmanuel Sanders.
Emmanuel Sanders, who's been in the league and played with some of the best quarterbacks ever so that's high praise but we have some great highlights like Dan Campbell doing 40 up downs with his defense who just started doing 40 up downs every morning before practice and the best part about the video is Dan Campbell is very obviously got got a bad knee but he's still doing it with the team which is total out i i want to point out in the in the tweet that came out that had the video of dan campbell doing the up downs the reporter called them down ups which is how you know he's not a football guy but then i started to think about it and down up actually makes way more sense when describing the exercise. Because you go down and then up.
Right. Well, it depends if you start on the ground or not.
Well, yeah, you usually – But to get to the ground, you go down. Are you saying like if you – I guess if you really think about it, you're laying down when you wake up.
So your first move of the day is up.

So any move down would be off of that up.

So it is an up.

I could see Dan Campbell sleeping on his feet like a horse.

I used to think, by the way, dumb thought.

I used to think that if a horse fell down, it would just die.

That's true.

Up until I was about like 24.

Thank you. I used to think, by the way, dumb thought.
I used to think that if a horse fell down, it would just died. That's true.
Up until I was about like 24. Travis Kelsey, exit practice with back and hip tightness.
The Saints, read about this. What are you doing right now? Are you just doing the one? They're just recounting all of the NFL news.
There's so much news we need to talk about. Is Billy reading Adam Schefter's timeline?

No, I'm not. No, it's not even Schefter's timeline.

Schefter will put a little pizzazz in it.

He's literally reading the USA Today news and notes, NFL news and notes and transactions.

Oh, Chris Hogan, lacrosse player, joined the Saints.

Yes.

Yes.

Also, the thing with Calvin Benjamin, basically Joe Judge wanted him at a certain weight coming in. I think it was like 251.
He came in at 268, and that's why they went into a big argument. But he passed the conditioning.
So it was kind of like, I'm fat, but I can still move. I'm, like, not out of shape.
I'm just'm just you know got a little extra junk in the truck just more me to love baby 268 that's that's gotta be muscle right muscle weighs more than fat yeah it's basically gettelman wanted him joe judge didn't in benjamin which is caught in between um anyway we got got basically everyone thinks that Zach Ertz is sending subliminal messages in training camp by wearing his shorts inside out and dyeing his hair blonde. Probably not.
Dak Prescott's out with an MRI. He showed a muscle strain on his right shoulder.
I was a note. I wrote a lot of notes.

Anyway, Nick Bosa looks really skinny.

First of all, Billy is just reading his blog out loud that he wrote earlier today.

Second of all, what subliminal messages are you talking about in the back?

I don't know.

He's upset with his contract negotiations.

All right, Billy, I'm giving you an A+.

This has been an A+.

Let's end the show.

Also, that dude on the weightlifting team,

Shiner, who kept saying his balls are okay,

that's because he's trying to make people think

he's not doing steroids.

Oh.

Okay, got it.

He's not being like, yeah, no,

he's trying not to get tested by the IOC

because they busted a bunch of weightlifting people

All right. Numbers.
Yes. All right.

Numbers.

Yeah.

It's tough.

It's tough.

This is like doing the numbers right now is like showing up to a sick party

the next day,

like back to that house being like,

are we going to try to do this again?

But we're doing it again.

I don't know.

Yeah.

We're chasing the dragon.

Oh, here we go. That was an all-time moment when I was like, do you guys want to change your number? And Big Cat goes, do you guys want to change your name to the place? No.
Oh, man, those guys. There's credit to them.
Someone put it perfectly. They're like trying to explain how we got three millionaire athletes sitting listening to 50 rounds of a lottery competition to decide who's the best Blake and one of them's not even named Blake.
Yeah, you're right. I don't know how we got here.
Where's Liam going? Oh, also, they announced the day of the match.

Oh, 53.

The day of the match of Dave Brooks.

Brooks lefty, yeah.

It's going to be on September 7th, right?

The Tuesday after Labor Day weekend.

Me and Big Cat will be on the bag.

It should be an amazing athletic event.

It's going to be incredible.

Incredible.

That was in 53?

53 first timer.

Kangaroos don't have Australian accents.

Love you guys. We'll be coming for your love okay Shying away I'll be coming for your love okay Take on me Take me.
Needless to say. Our hearts and heads.
But I'm still a little way. The living life is okay.
Say after me. It's no better to be safe than sorry.
Say after me. It's no better to be safe than sorry Say up to me It's no better to be safe than sorry

Take on me

Take me young

I'll be gone

In a day of dream

All the things that you say

Is it a lie or just to blame my worries away

You're all the things I've got to remember

You're shying away

I'll be coming for you anyway

You're all the things I've got to remember Be shying away I'll be coming for you anyway Be shying away I'll be coming for you anyway Take on me Take me on I'll be young.