Wade Phillips, Jokic MVP, The Nets Are Unstoppable & Aaron Rodgers Holds Out

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Bonk. I was gonna say...
I was gonna say, thank God we are a regular season Nuggets podcast because we just won MVP, boys. Let's go.
Hell yeah. All right, good job, everybody.
Shout out to our regular season Nuggets. Also, shout out for Derek Rose.
Derek Rose won the MVP. Yeah.
He got one vote. Yes.
The fan vote. Oh, sorry, Hank, was that going to be your cool throne? Don't worry about me.
My bad. But yeah, he got one vote.
It was nice. People got very mad.
It was the fan vote. I'm sure that there was some sort of fan organization around that.
I actually had a – I just voted a million times. Were you allowed to do that online? Yeah.
Like a hashtag thing? Yeah, yeah, it was a hashtag. I don't know if you saw.
I was doing it from Youngstown Bob's account. But, yeah, no.
Jokic wins the MVP, the lowest drafted player to ever win the MVP, 41st pick. Yeah, the fattest kid to ever grow up into the MVP.
That picture of his little titties, which I think you can say, right? Even though he's under 18. Well, yeah, since it's a boy.
His little boy titties is going to be stuff of legends for all the fat boys out there for the rest of the time. Like, if you have a fat boy, you put that picture up on your refrigerator.
you see that guy he's the mvp of the nba in 2021 his little manlets he is definitely a shirt in the pool kind of guy it's fat boy summer according to the hard fact yes yeah and so i've noticed that there there's a huge amount of fat pictures not even fat pictures there's just a lot of pictures of joe kitch as a child yes how often? Because now it's like every time I see. I think that's pretty regular.
Yeah, that is kind of regular. Well, it's every time I see a picture of a fat kid, I think that it's Nikola Jokic now.
Yeah. I mean, it's a hell of a, like the 41st pick in the draft is crazy.
It was such a low pick in the draft that you see the videos recirculating today in the live broadcast. Yes.
It was a Taco Bell commercial. Quesarito.
Yeah, they were running a Taco Bell commercial during the draft pick. That's amazing.
That was how people found out who the Nuggets got. What was the analysis, the live analysis of that pick? It was not— Was he one of the ones they just didn't talk about? No, it was add a taco and a quesadilla together, and you get a quesarito.
That's perfect. He should be called the Big Quesarito.
Yes, yes, absolutely. All right, so just a couple stats.
That could stick. Yeah, that could stick.
The Big Quesarito. The Big Quesarito.
He's got a little of this, little of that. And Taco Bell, if you want to wet the whistle a little bit on that.
It's too bad we don't root for him anymore. Go Suns.
So lowest draft pick ever to win the MVP. First draft pick, or sorry, first MVP to play every game in a season since Kobe in 2008.
Take that for load management. Was only 72 games, but still should count.
And he was top five in total points, rebounds, and assists. And he's just a cool looking MVP.
You know what he is? He's like a combo breaker. Because you're going to see a lot of the same people winning MVP back to back to back to back.
And I'm sure some of the usual suspects will come back next year and the year after and continue to win it. He's going to be a trivia question down the line.
I'm telling the audience right now, there will come a time in your life when you are asked who the 2020-2021 MVP was, and you're going to need to remember this moment when I'm telling you that it's Jokic because it will win you money. Yes, and also who got one vote? Derrick Rose.
Yeah. Yeah, those are both going to be gonna be trivia questions derrick rose another combo breaker for his mvp um i you know i just love watching him play and i know we're not nuggets podcast anymore in the playoffs but he is one of those guys that like just everything about his game is so much fun because it doesn't fully make sense but then it's just beautiful to watch for a second i actually thought he was on the jazz oh yeah he could be we are watching the jazz right now it's on the background it's 10 48 yep pretty late um so we are paying attention to that game with one eye we are we are we're giving the west coast some love kawaii leonard is awesome there you go playoff dub uh so let's talk real quick the suns are fucking electric guy fieri is now on the bandwown.
And I'm actually, like, I know we don't like bandwagon fans. Actually, I have no problem with bandwagon fans.
I always thought it was so stupid to be like, more people are buying this stuff and, like, the city is more electric. Yeah, what's the issue? It's actually awesome.
But it's like movies. Yeah, right.
Like, everyone's getting pumped about it. Is it the fan version of a super team, though? Well, my point about Guy Fieri is I think he's America's fan.
I think he should just go from city to city, sitting courtside, or sitting like 50-yard line for the best team every year, and be like, yeah, I'm a fan of this team now. I think he gets a pass.
I think Guy Fieri should be America's mascot. Yeah.
He is everything that we thought the bald eagle would be. Right.
Like, it's tough to to root. When I see Guy Fieri on the sideline, I just think if you're cheering against whatever team Guy Fieri's cheering for, then you're essentially rooting against Flavor.
He's Drake's Wario. He's the good version of a bandwagon fan.
Yes, so he should be everywhere. Shout out to Bald Eagle, even though you're almost extinct.
No, no, no. Did? Is it back? We have a plethora of Bald Eagles.
We're about one bad mating season away from being forced to everybody in America go buy a gun and kill a Bald Eagle. It's a federal crime to kill a Bald Eagle.
It is, and that's why they keep fucking. There's 316,700're good.
In the lower 48 states. Dude, that's such a lie they told us.

Not even including Alaska.

That's the lower 48, I assume, is not Alaska.

No, Alaska is the southernmost state based on maps.

They gotta have like fucking...

It's always down...

Oh, yeah.

They told us...

And Hawaii.

Do we consider Hawaii is the southern state?

That many alone in Alaska.

They told us the bald eagle was in trouble like 15 years ago. I think there's more bald eagles than humans in Alaska.
Yeah, probably. That's true.
You could pick any animal. You can't swing a dead cat in Alaska without knocking a bald eagle out of the sky.
Yeah, they're like mosquitoes in Alaska. Just bald eagles everywhere.
But we love them. We love them.
They're just nowhere near as cool as Guy Fieri. Guy Fieri represents everything great about America that the bald eagle does not.
Right. Right.
Exactly. So, Suns, way to go.
Go, Suns, go. I do love the fans.
There's something different about the camera angles that they're showing the fans at. Either that or they're just cooler in Phoenix.
No, you know what it is? I think everyone has just a touch of sun poisoning at the Suns game. That could be it.
Because it's in the desert so you know that feeling when um maybe you've had a couple drinks and you've been out in the sun all day and it's really hot and you feel just an extra little bit punch drunk that's what the sun's crowd is every time there are also more children there it looks like half basketball game half dude perfect concert well they also are easy you're early because they're like seven yeah they're like seven the kids can get home on a school night i like that some things are bigger than sports yeah there's also an element of the sun's fandom online i think it's a small thing right now but it's gaining steam have you seen chugging with the fellas no best i can tell it's a group of like a couple hundred suns fans that just chug beers after wins yeah and they just videotape them they're dana b they're The entire fan base is Dana B's. You know what? Suns Twitter actually is like, I want to give a shout out.
Because I somehow follow a few of them. But they have a very strong, I always respect any fan base that hasn't been good in a really long time.
And it's like, I saw a tweet that was like a roll call beforehand. And like everyone was replying.
I was like, this is it's very positive i like sun's instagram a little bit more here's uh something from sun's instagram real quick nope i think that the sun's actually won today i don't really know i'm just seeing a lot of memes and shit so i don't know if you know monty but can you please tell him that I want the MVP award because I just really think that it's my fault that they keep winning. So please get back to me.
I love you so, so bad. And I hope you're not cheating on me.
But if you are cheating, at least wear a condom. Okay.
Love you. Damn.
So that's one member of Sun's Instagram. Yes.
Yes. Bonk.
Her. I like how she...
That's actually a beautiful way to live life, though, is she doesn't have to check the box score. She can just determine who wins or lose based off the memes.
How many notifications she gets. That's true 2021 shit.
Why were the Sixers doing the suck it thing before the game? That should have been the Suns. Yes.
Yes. Which Embiid, he righted the wrong tonight.
The Sixers won. They're back.
They also are back because they were booing Danny Green for missing shots, which when you boot like Philadelphia, I know that it's such a cliche and really annoying. The nature is healing.
But Philadelphia booing their own sports players during a playoff game, that truly is like, all right, we're going to be okay. Well, that's because Danny Green is a football team fan, right? There was that fight that happened outside, so they don't view him.
He's not as Philly. He doesn't represent Philly sports as much as Philly sports fans represent Philly sports.
I think that's going to be a good series, though. I'm excited for, I mean, that felt like a good counterpunch from the Sixers, which they needed to do because everyone was freaking out.
They weren't freaking out, but everyone was like, fuck, Trae Young might be really good, including myself. So in theory, I agree with you.
I think that it's going to be evenly matched in terms of games won and lost. But I feel like this is my series that I'm highlighting for every game will be a blowout one way or the other.
Even though technically the first game wasn't. Yeah, they just ran out of time.
It was a two-point game. It felt like a blowout.
Do you actually know what the craziest part about the first game was? I'm pretty sure every starter on the Sixers was plus in their plus minus. Every starter on the Hawks was minus in their plus minus.
How does that work? Because math lies. No, the bench plays.
Oh, yeah. I forgot about those.
Yeah. And the fact that the Sixers made that comeback at the end changed everything.
I saw that as a tweet. I didn't actually follow up, so that could be wrong.
But it was a tweet. I'm actually going to look it up right now.
Hank, I have a question while Big Cat looks that up. How do you feel about rooting against the Sixers? Basically taking a shit on the entire city of Philadelphia every single day on part of my take and also knowing that Bob Kraft was literally sitting courtside tonight.
Well him and Michael Rubin are good friends as well documented so I have no problem with that. Fact check.
Correct. Bogdanovich was technically a zero, but everyone else was a negative

and everyone on the Sixers was a positive in what felt like a blowout by the Hawks.

That is a very fun stat.

That is a weird stat.

And then, obviously, everyone on the bench for the Hawks was a positive

and everyone on the bench for the Sixers was a negative.

Kind of weird, huh?

Turns out that Joel Embiid being healthy makes a pretty big difference.

Oh, yeah.

I really do think it's just going to go back and forth with like 10-point victories.

Yeah, I do think the Sixers are going to win that series. But I've been wrong many, many times before.
Yeah, 40 points for Mr. Suck It.
I guess Triple H, he's out. Mr.
Suck It. He's out.
Let's talk about the Nets. because the hot takes now are Giannis is no more than a 1B he can't ascend to the next level the Bucs have hit the wall that they've hit every single year I tend to believe there's some truth in that but it's more that the Nets are so much better than we're giving credit for and uh the regular season doesn't really matter because they're just going to nuke everyone so i think that what we're seeing here is just a convenient narrative and i love narrative so i'm going to say yes that uh the bucks just can't get it done even though they're running into a once in a generation team in the nets like that's how that's how narratives work the bucks if they let's say the the Eastern Conference Finals this year, and then they got hit with a drone strike and the team was annihilated.
We'd be like, choked again, classic Bucs not showing up for the finals. I mean, Giannis has to be able to make free throws.
Free throws, they're free for a reason. But the Nets are so fucking good.
They're shooting 50% from the field, 44% from three, and 91% from free throw. And Blake Griffin is officially back.
Oh, my God. So I have something to say about that.
I've heard a lot of slander that Blake dogged it in Detroit. There's such a thing as called, like, locational-based allergies.
Yep. So maybe there's some things up in Detroit that didn't agree with his body.
How about 2019 when he pistons team to the ac basically on his own back yeah do we forget that yeah when he was playing on one leg exactly yeah he had that huge like cast thing blake actually gave his heart his soul and his body his blood and his sweat and his piss yep to detroit and they just repay him by turning their back on him just because he decided to turn his back on them. Yeah, I don't like the slander.
Blake is, it is really kind of, watching the Nets, it's crazy that James Harden got hurt and is out, and who knows when he'll be back. And then you watch the Nets, and you could make, like, if you told me, if you knew nothing about basketball and you watched that game, you're like, and actually they're missing one of the best players in the NBA.
Right. It's like, what? How is that possible? Like, the Nets, Blake Griffin is an awesome player.
He's like total grit and grind, lunch pail guy now. Big time.
And then. Ham and eggs.
I tweeted this on Monday night when I was watching the game, but the part of the Nets that feels like so unfair is the fact that Joe Harris is on the team, and they just like,

Kyrie will cross someone up, and then pass it, and then they'll pass it,

and then Joe Harris is just standing wide open and just easy three.

Here's a hypothetical point.

It's so not fair.

The thought occurred to me yesterday because I was watching the Nets play,

and I'm like, it does seem unfair at times.

How many teams do you think that the Nets could beat in a seven-game series

if all five of their starters had to score the exact same amount of points? unfair at times. How many teams do you think that the Nets could beat in a seven-game series if

all five of their starters had to score the

exact same amount of points?

How many teams could they beat in a seven-game

series if all five of their starters? You have to hit on the head.

So it's like everyone has to score exactly

14 points. And James Harden's not

injured. James Harden's not injured, yeah.

Okay, so Joe Harris, James

Harden, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, Blake Griffin,

I think they could beat almost everyone.

Really? I mean... You think they could beat almost everyone.
Really?

I mean.

You think they could hit the nail on the head that well?

Does the other team know?

No.

Then yes.

Okay.

Then I think they could.

They might catch on eventually.

Yeah, if the other team didn't know that that's what they had to do,

I think they could draw plays for anyone and they would score.

Whenever they want.

I don't think they could beat everybody.

I think that they'd probably lose to maybe the Sixers. But that's also a maybe.
Yeah. That's how unfair they are.
Yeah. They're just really fucking good.
And Kevin Durant, it sucks. I really want him to come on the podcast.
But he is, I like him so much now. And it hurts to say, but I really do.
Because his answer to the reporter, Jake, what did you think about that, by the way? As a Big J journalist, so if you missed it after the game. The Lana Rhodes thing to tweet this morning? No, no, no, not the Jay Williams stuff, not the Lana Rhodes stuff, which was also incredible if you missed that.
It's alleged that Kevin Durant brought a backup date to his date with former porn star Lana Rose. Yeah, but how much faith can you put in what a porn star says on a random podcast? Mm-hmm.
Exactly. Exactly.
What? Yes. You should hit up Lana Rose.
She's pregnant, so you know she fucks. I'm not hitting up anybody.
My phone's blowing up over here. Yeah.
Are you talking about the tweet this morning? No, no. I'm talking about last night after the game the reporter i don't know who it was said basically like kevin durant two years ago you blew out your achilles in your comeback did you ever think you would be this good and he was like what what was that question of course i did so is that what this tweet this morning was about i don't know what the tweet this man wait.
No, I want to hear Jake read that tweet, though. It sounded like it was going to be good.
All right, so let me tell you what this tweet is about, and then you can read it. But first answer my question.
Okay. The reporter said, did you ever think you'd be this good again? Yeah, like why ask that? Because obviously he's going to say yes.
He laughed in his face. He's like, what kind of question is that? He just said the opposite not but a week ago.
Good point, Hank. All right, so the tweet you're about to read is Jay Williams went on Get Up.
About the bachelor party or party he was talking. He said that he saw Kevin Durant at a holiday party, and Kevin Durant went up to him and was like, don't ever compare me to Giannis.
Jay Williams has big-time liar vibes. That's all I'm going to say.
But the way he presented it was just very weird. Yeah.
It's a hell of an accusation to toss out, but I agree with it. Yeah, when I watched it, I was like, you're not telling the truth.
Yeah, I think there's probably a little bit of truth in there. He's like, hey, who do you think would win one-on-one, you or Giannis?

And he was like, probably me.

Yeah.

And he's like, okay, I know what I'm dropping on.

Get up.

Greeny's going to love this. Like J.
Williams should have asked just anyone else before he told that story.

Like, hey, would you believe if I told you that Kevin Durant came up to me and like emphatically

at a Christmas party was like, don't you ever say that I'm Giannis?

Right.

I don't think he's walking around with that sort of chip on his story.

He might tweet it.

Right.

But he's not going to like stake you out in real life.

Thank you. a Christmas party was like, don't you ever say that I'm Giannis.
Right. I don't think he's walking around with that sort of chip on her.
So he might tweet it, but he's not going to stake you out in real life. So this is what Kevin Durant's response was.
Man's will do anything to advance their careers in this media, SHIT, wanting to be accepted by an industry that will dispose of you whenever they please. Keep me out all that corny ASS talk about who's better in legacy and all that dumb ASSSHIT.
I don't even talk like that. Okay.
I like it. Well, yeah, Kevin Durant, that's like 99% of what we do.
If somebody's really, really good in the NBA, the first thing that we have to do is be like, well, he's not the best of all time. So how much can I really enjoy this right exactly like yannis is has won two mvps fraud is an is an unbelievable talent such a joy to watch but he is really just a robin at best yeah well he can't beat the best teams of all time by himself right so i uh yeah i mean it was i just love the kevin durant like i i think it's because the burner came out and he kind of accepted it,

but he's just forever online.

He really is. I also think he's the most regular superstar of all time in the NBA.

He's as close as you can get to normal.

He's just like a regular dude, and he thinks like a regular person would,

realizes this absurd situation that he's in where hundreds of millions of people have opinions about him who he will never meet in his life. And he's better at basketball than all of them.
And he's managing it pretty honestly. Right.
In his weakest moments, sometimes he'll forget that they're just mad at their own lives. But then he remembers and he's like, oh, yeah, that's right.
This guy thinks that he sucks. Yeah.
So instead of telling himself that he sucks, he tells me that I suck.

Yeah.

I'm rooting for the Nets because of Blake, but I also think that that's probably our best chance. He is also bald.
I mean, I said it on Monday's show. He's way more bald in person.
Kevin Durant, I think, would come on this podcast with Blake after they won a championship. Okay.
I really do. I think that that would be the time.
I mean, I've asked him a million times via DM

because he started a conversation with me two years ago by just replying to one of my instagram stories that playing pick up hoops saying your game is trash out of the blue and that's kevin deray like he is just always online i love that about him now it's something has happened it's flipped maybe leaving the warriors did it do you think that he's going to go on Dax Shepard's podcast first? What? He's going to go on Dax's podcast. Yeah, probably.
I think it's just because he's negging you. Yeah, he probably does just love the neck.
He's been on one of your podcasts before. Yeah, but like.
He went on your fucking podcast, bro. Snakes.
We need him on part of my take. We all need him on part of my take.
I mean, said it. That was also pre-COVID.
And at the time, he was going to come on, and then COVID happened. Yeah, and I also was like, I'm saving all the part of my take stuff for part of my take.
You opened it up with that, right? Yeah, I was like, we got a lot of stuff to talk about that we're not going to talk about, so we still have that. All right, so yeah, the Nets are unstoppable.
I don't know. I feel like, and of course, it's only been two games, and who the fuck knows, but I feel like we're going to be in a month, the conversation is going to be like, are the Nets one of the greatest teams of all time? I think we need to pre-have that conversation.
You know why, Big Cat? One sweep, and that'll start happening. So that if it goes like seven games in the finals, then we can say that they're disappointing.
It's actually not that impressive of finals. I feel it, though.
It's coming. Listen, if they keep playing the way they have in these first two games, they deserve it because it really is like they just fucking jump on you.
I mean, that game one, it is very reminiscent of the Warriors. The game one, there was a moment in the third quarter where the Nets were up six.

Giannis was at the free throw line.

He missed both free throws.

And like two seconds later, they had thrown the ball down court

and Kyrie Irving hit a three and they were up nine and that was the game.

I predict this conversation will happen very quickly.

Would these Nets beat those Warriors with Kevin Durant playing on both teams?

Who wins?

I like it.

I like it.

I think the Warriors win. These Nets versus those Warriors with Kevin Durant playing on both teams.
Who wins? I like it. I like it.
I think the Warriors win. These Nets versus those Warriors with Kevin Durant.
Yeah. Can we make Blake? No, you know what? Blake is actually, I think, in his best form ever right now.
Well, he's dealt with teammates that have hit you in the balls before, so Tremont Green wouldn't be an issue. He knows how to deal with that.
It depends on which Kevin Durant would be more pissed off. I think this Kevin Durant might be more pissed off.
Well, would it be the first? First, Kevin Durant wasn't pissed off yet. He was still living the burner life.
He was still in the closet as a burner. But I think he was pissed off because everyone hated his move, and he was like, fuck everyone.
I'm going to be the best player on the Warriors. I don't know that he was pissed off, though.
I think he was sad, Durant. All right, Kevin Durant, please let us know what you think about this hypothetical.
Those Warriors against these Nets, Kevin Durant on both of them. This is very important.
Yes, so let us know what you think. Legacy talk.
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No. Is it? It was like a moo, I think.
Shh. Because you didn't know what to do, so I think you just went with a cow.
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Okay, other stuff. We gotta talk.
Let's talk a little hockey. Hank? Bruins? Tuka's really hurt.
Ref's kind of fucked us over. I don't know.
T's really hurt banged up the refs I don't even know if he's going to go for game 6 what was the score of the game? I think it was 5-3 yeah refs 5-4 yeah 5-4 well yeah I mean there was a clear there was a missed penalty which the Islanders scored right after and the first penalty that the Bruins got called was for slashing it just wasn't a penalty and the Islanders scored so I also think yeah I would say that penalties you know obviously Tuca that's the thing where it's one of those things where Tuca let in four goals and 13 shots so yes very very bad what's the rest were also bad they can both exist what can be true I like that Hank what's the um what's the line gonna be about Tuca after this because isn't he kind of like a love-hate relationship? There's always been, I mean, that's like Boston sports media. There's always been kind of a lot of shit talked about him because he's never won a cup because in Boston that's all that matters.
But he's a world-class goalie. I think he's really injured.
That's what my sources say. What's his injury? I don't know.
Hockey injury? Lower body. Lower body injury.
Lower or upper. Or both.
I think it's lower. I actually do think that he's injured because he was hot in the first series.
And now you're running too hot. Last night, Varley was standing on his head.
There was some head standing going on. Big time.
Even four goals? Yeah. You could still do that.
But I mean, some of those were garbage time. Yeah, it was 5-3, and then they let up another goal because they were just trying really hard.
I think the Bruins outshot them by like 30, which is the worst thing in the world in playoff hockey. So on the poop meter, where are we at? Panic button.
High. Red.
Real high. Code red.
I think what you need to do, I was talking to our good friend John Feidelberg in the kitchen today, and he said the spin zone, he still thinks the Bruins can win, but the spin zone is with the injuries they have that they would get pumped by the Lightning anyway. So there you go.
And the Lightning have advanced. I don't pretend to know a lot about hockey.
Whitney is usually the guy I listen to for those things. Once he said whoever wins the series is getting pumped by the Lightning, I already was like, all right, does it really matter that much?

Yeah.

Well, yeah, because it's also, it's very public that the Borellis, you know,

it's the, they have a large contingent of Ili's fans.

Yeah.

You don't want Borelli to get one over on you.

Yeah, he's got one over on you.

He's going to hold that over you big time.

He's going to big time get you.

And then.

Also, you can always say that like you weren't even supposed to be here.

Right.

Like no one thought that the Bruins would be in this position.

You outperformed what your expectations were. I don't think that's true.
You can just say that, though. They have a line called the perfection line.
You can just say that. That must be a good line.
Yeah, best in hockey. The Canadiens, which someone said, there's been a lot of people who have been mad at me for pronouncing it that way, but then a true Habs fan said, you need to keep pronouncing it that way because they're on an absolute tear they I just want to highlight how ridiculous like this run is for them I saw a stat they haven't trailed in 437 minutes straight now they were down 3-1 against the Leafs less than two weeks ago and now we're sitting here and they're in the conference finals.
It's a game of runs. That's seven games straight that they rattled off.
They have not trailed, again, for 437 minutes. You think it's going to be a problem? Rest versus rest, though? They're going to have some time off.
I agree. I agree.
I don't know. That's just a fucking crazy run.
Like, if you're a Habs fan, you've got to just be living it up.

Although you can't because I think you've got to stay inside.

Yeah, right.

Live it up inside. Live it up inside.

Yeah.

Live it up inside.

Chug wine with the fellas.

Couch surfing.

I think that Witt is probably, I think he's pretty astute when he says that when you have

to go play in front of fans for the first time, it's going to be a shock to the system.

Right.

I'm penciling that in for the away team at that point.

Whoever that is.

My guess is it's going to be the Avalanche.

Are they winning right now?

I don't know. in front of fans for the first time, it's going to be a shock to the system.
I'm penciling that in for the away team at that point, whoever that is. My guess is it's going to be the Avalanche.
Are they winning right now? It's just tied 2-2 up at 11.09pm. Okay, yeah.
No big deal. But I think he's right about that.
And by the way, the Ryan Whitney mugshot, his last year picture that is everywhere on the internet whenever somebody Googles Ryan Whitney. What an asshole he looks like in that picture.

He's got that smirk.

Did he do that on purpose?

I think so.

It's perfect.

Yeah.

Like that picture should be next to dickhead in the dictionary.

Yes.

And I love Whit, but I think even he would look at that guy and he'd be like,

I want to kick that guy's ass.

Yes, absolutely.

We also got an answer to the recurring guest question.

Number one overall all time is Blake Bortles. All right.
The boat. And then who was two? Whitney was four, was tied for third.
Is it Mr. Portnoy? I think so.
Mr. Portnoy is coming on on Friday.
We're bringing him back. We're very excited.
Is this updated or is this going off the old list? No, PMT stats and info. Shout out that guy.
Bortles, Portnoy, Whitney, Titus, Chris Long. Top five.
Wow. That's quite a amount of rush.
And I heard a certain meathead friend of ours fell out of the top ten. So we're going to have to rectify that soon.
Yes. Yeah.
Along with Stingray Steve. Yeah, we're talking about Stingray Steve.
We're going to get him back on. No, we're going to have Russell on again.
It's crazy. I felt bad about that.
He's a top ten. Stingray Steve put up some numbers in the short time.
Those are David Boston type numbers. He's here for like two seasons.
And then sued us. Barstool, not us.
Yeah, the Hindenburg announcement. Did he ever do the JFK assassination? I don't know.
The Hindenburg. Oh, my God.
Can you put that in right here? Put that in right here. You're Stingray Steve narrating the explosion of the Hindenburg.
We are back in 1937 as we're about to see the Hindenburg go down. Oh no! The Hindenburg's caught fire! Oh no! The Hindenburg's caught fire! Oh, the humanity! Oh, it's awful! It just caught fire right here, and it's gone down.
Oh, no. That's for all the people who maybe are new to the show who don't remember that.
All-time moment. We used to have him on Monday shows narrating whatever the biggest SEC highlight was.
But then we'd toss in a historical event that he could also narrate for the people. Yes, yes.
Oh, my God. Look at all the humanity.
All right. Let's talk some other important news.
Maybe the most important news of the day. Aaron Rodgers, in his 16-year career, has always shown up for minicamp until today.
What happened today? He found happiness and love. And I, for one, am excited for Aaron Rodgers.
And I just want him to find peace. Mental health is in June.
Mental health awareness month, yeah. Well, that worked out perfectly, didn't it? Yeah, it certainly did.
So there was ownership released a statement today about Aaron Rodgers because he didn't show up for the first time ever. They said, we're going to compete with who we have here.
We're very content to move forward this season with Jordan and Blake as our quarterbacks. That was me that said that as ownership.
But ownership did say that. And I have a prediction, Big Cat.
I'm in the prediction business. I think that Blake Bortles could be the starting quarterback of the Green Bay Packers this year.
I do too because everything that has been tweeted, Jordan Love sucks. It doesn't look good for him right now.
Right now, Jordan Love, it seems like he's more valuable to the Packers as an asset. To use an NBA term, as a guy that they can trade for other pretend things that could become players eventually.
If he's skying balls over receivers seven yards away from them, they might try to protect him, start Blake Bortles, who will harness the power of Lake Superior and just go on a fucking tear. Any lake that Blake is on at Superior, I know it's like Michigan.
But if Blake's there, it's Blake Superior. He's going to start this year.
So I have an update on our friendship. Someone tweeted us a clip, old clip from, I think it was the Atlanta Super Bowl.
We had Blake in the back of a van. I think that was the Dan Marino van.
The famous Dan Marino van. One of 26.
One of 26. Oh, appearances, yes.
And I said that if you are on the Packers, we can't be friends anymore. And I sent him that clip, and he said,

I have to play in a game against the Bears,

regular season game against the Bears, before our friendship is over,

and I agreed.

So that's the update.

And I will do the meme, friendship over,

now friends with, I don't know who else.

Justin Fields?

Yeah, sure.

Yes.

Best friends.

I think, I mean, I root first and foremost for your mental health, Big Cat.

No, that's not true.

No, that's true. It's very true.

I want nothing more in this life than to just have a content cat sitting next to me.

And I have to put that aside because Blake Bortles is a friend.

Yeah.

And Blake Bortles, he only has a short time where he can be a success in his chosen field yeah which is one of the best that you can do this until you die hopefully that's a long time in the future but blake bortles has you know five ten fifteen years max more 25 to make his money 30 i have to root for a success if he beats the Bears in a primetime game this year, that can mean like five years, $45 million in his pocket. And so many t-shirts sold for us.
So many t-shirts for us. So I might have to do a split jersey.
I might have to get half my Blake Bortles faces shirt and half Big Cat faces shirt. No.
I don't want to think about it. Let's not think about it.
Let's think about something better. Will Arch Manning surpass Peyton, Eli, and Archie? Oh, no.
Did I steal your hot seat, Kulteron? I thought you were going to. That was a great ad transition opportunity there.
That ball flip was sick, though, wasn't it? When he did the pump fake and then he flipped it. I think he's already better.
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Hot seat,

cool thrown.

Hank.

Oh,

my hot seat is Peyton Manning.

What?

Shut up.

What happened?

Yeah.

They ran out of chicken parm?

Nope.

Nope.

Today.

Brad Paisley stabbed him. First take was doing a segment.
Oh, no, it was coming up. This was coming up.
The screenshot said, Will Arsh Manning surpass Peyton, Eli, and Archie to become the greatest Manning yet? This is all based off a practice clip of him doing a crazy ball flip and throwing a nice pass. It was more than a nice pass.
It was Jake Fromm 2.0. This has already happened to me on this show.
It was better than Jake Fromm. No, it was.
Jake Fromm was in a game. Yeah, Jake Fromm was actually a great game.
And he did it like five times. He did it in the national championship game.
This was sick, though. And that has poisoned my brain for...
I thought he was going to be like the Bills. I thought he was going to be competing with Josh Allen.
You had that thought. I said it.
I think I said it on the rundown that I would take Jake Fromm number one right then after the national championship game just because of the ball flip. Right, so now this is Arch.
This is Jake Fromm 2.0 Arch Manning. Payton Manning's on the hot seat.
He's got a little bit more of a pedigree. No, I like the take.
I like that we're already having the discussion. But the only reason the conversation is happening is because of the ball flip.
Yes, yes. If he hadn't done the ball flip and done the exact same pump fake and throw...

It was a dime, though. And Wiggle Lele.

And he's like 12 years old.

Uyunglele. His brother's the Clemson

corner. Yeah, I know it's the younger brother.
I just

didn't know how to say it. And his dad's a beast.

Yeah, his dad is a big dude. Looks like a bouncer.

Yeah.

I think... I'm all in

on Arch Manning hype. I'm excited

to just be... I feel bad for him.
I do too.

That's impossible expectations.

It's literally impossible. I feel bad for him.
I do too. That's impossible expectations.
I think teams should start tanking right now for Arch Manning. You need to have your shit together.
You need to just be absolutely dog shit in the NFL for the next three years. 16, 17.
More than that. Five years? How old is he? I think he's going to be going into his junior year of high school.
So that's five. Class of 2023.

2023. So that means two more

years to college. He's probably around 16.

So are we in the trust tree?

Yeah. He's

16 or 17.

Had your bet here.

I may have requested to follow

him on Instagram. Wow.
Oh, wow.

He has not accepted the request.

I don't think he will accept the request. But I had to take the shot.
How many followers does he have? Like a thousand? Oh my god. Jesus Christ, Big Cat.
That's grooming. Dude, I wanted to be one of the first, like, 2,000.
You are the guy that tweets at recruits right now. It's different when it's Arch Manning.
What do you think, like, what team right now do you think is in the best position to draft Arch Manning? Wait, say it again? What team do you think right now is in the best position to draft Arch Manning, let's say, eight years from now? I'd say the Jets always. Jets are in probably, I think that they're the leaders in the clubhouse for sure.
Bears and Jets. I think the Panthers could be.
The Bucs will probably be there by then. Yeah, that's true.
That's a good point. They're in win now mode.
Tom Brady could be playing. It's crazy to say, but Tom Brady could be playing.
Could you imagine the Monday Night Football ratings? Tom Brady versus Arch Manning. Hall of Fame game.
It could be the Texans. The Texans might not even be a team.

Are they playing a season this year?

I have no idea.

I don't know.

Jake reminded me they signed Mark Ingram.

Didn't know that.

Jesus.

They signed like three or four running backs.

They're probably just not going to play football for five years.

They'll come back as another expansion franchise and draft Arch Manning.

They should just become the Oilers.

Yes.

That would be the greatest move they ever pulled.

Like, hey, remember all the things that are happening? Oilers. They'd sell tickets this year.
And those powder blues? Yeah. That might not be.
I think that's sky blue. It's not powder.
It's sky blue. Is it sky? I think it's sky blue.
I believe. Can we get us a Pantone, please? So which jerseys? The Oilers.
Ever heard of them? Don't remember watching. We have Wade Phillips on the show.
I think it's like Titans blue, right? Because they took the colors, I think. I got it.
Light blue. PMS 279, 418 FDE.
Is it the same as Titans? I think it's a touch, scotch, lighter. So the Titans...
Yeah, no, the Titans are dark. Or Titans blue.
But what about their... The other blue? What about the other blue? The lighter blue.
Oh, Titans blue. There's Titans navy and Titans blue.
They made their own color? Yeah. It's kind of like UNC.
Carolina blue? I thought that was just the sky in Carolina. I don't cool thrown? My cool thrown is college baseball.
The fans. It's been an amazing spring of all the sports having fans.
Well, thank you, Mincy. Thank you, Mincy, of course.
I was going to say. He invented college baseball.
Well, yeah. Well, he's the reason I started watching it.
Me too. And he was right.
But what I was going to say is that I think the college baseball fans have been the craziest of all the fans I've seen so far. Or at least it just feels, I think it's just because it's so tight, it's probably a smaller crowd, more packed in.
But the walk-off home run in Tennessee the other night was crazy. The Arkansas home run last night was crazy.
Insane. It's a great, great atmosphere.
Good to turn on and just like you feel the intensity. It's a positive environment too..
I'm excited for this weekend. The ball of a metal bat is...
The ping, yeah. I'm excited for this weekend.
I think it's the regional finals. Omaha? Super regional finals.
No, not Omaha yet. So it's eight two out of three series.
And the eight winners go to Omaha. Yes.
Is that like super wild card weekend? Kind of. It's actually like I finally looked up the bracket

because, I mean, Wisconsin didn't have a baseball team.

College baseball is just one of those sports

like either you're really into it

or you kind of see it passing.

And, you know, I've watched when Vandy won

the College World Series,

but I looked at it and it's such a cool tournament.

The fact that they play like there's four teams in each pod

and then the losers go to one game, the winners going it's fucking awesome i'm in thank you mincy is that it hang yeah that's it all set didn't your other ones got taken not really f1's on my cool throne too in general in life but just watching it yeah i just i had him on the show and then i binged the show since then I finished it and I've like had a void in my life. Fiending.
I think we need to start racing. Yeah.
No, seriously. I agree.
I like actual cars. No video games, bro.
Okay. Meet me.
Come on. Get one of the simulators.
Yeah. Yeah.
We had one. We do have, we have one.
It's not here. Oh, it's not.
Nope. What happened to it? Dude, when I I was watching F1 the first thing I did was text Spider and was like where's the simulator I think it's in his house damn my hot seat is the earth the entire earth is on the hot seat because you see Jeff Bezos is going to outer space yeah with his brother yeah the ultimate bros divorce party I love it we're just gonna go for a road trip where uh the stars yeah hang out together uh i think the earth's actually in the hot seat for all that because it's just it's bad news whenever the richest person on earth decides to leave for a little bit like because he could actually destroy or shut down most of the earth what better there will never be a better time for jeff bezos to disable all of his companies that we depend on for everything than when he's in outer space with his brother pissed off at his ex-wife.
That's true. It's an issue.
So I have a solution in case the Earth doesn't come back, or in case he leaves the Earth, shuts us down, and he comes back afterwards. Yeah, but if he leaves the Earth, isn't that like international waters you can just steal his money? Well, he's got a lot of it.
Did you see that story? He's not paying taxes. Almost made me put a rose in my avatar.
Yeah, but if he leaves Earth, isn't that like international waters? You're going to steal his money? Well, he's got a lot of it.

Did you see that story? He's not paying taxes.

Almost made me put a rose in my avatar.

Yeah. I think we should eat Jeff Bezos.

Yes. Would you rather be Jeff?

Guillotine. Just a joke.
Would you rather be Jeff Bezos

or have $50 million in bank account

today? $50 million.

I don't want to be that. Jeff Bezos is a fucking dork.
He's bald.

Yeah, and he's also got the whole world hates him.

Yeah. Right.
I do think... I know he doesn't have...
The rice. No, I know, I know.
I know... 20 bags of it.
It is very funny when the Rose Avatar people tweet, like, give all your money away. Like, he doesn't have cash, like, billions of dollars.
Like, it's all the stock and everything that he owns. It's not...
If he liquidated everything, it would actually crash the whole world. Yeah, he can't do that.
But he also has access to get a loan for whatever he wants at any given time. So he does have kind of access to almost unlimited money.
Well, anyone would. But my point is, if I saw that article from Jeff, being like, Jeff Bezos doesn't pay taxes, I'd just be like, you know what? Shut the fuck up, everyone.
Just write a check for Billy. Yeah.
To Uncle Sam. Be like, you guys, shut up.
Yeah. So I think here's an idea.
Jeff Bezos, when he comes back, I think we all hate him, right? Everybody, for the most part, kind of hates him. I'm actually more apathetic.
I don't really care. I don't think about him.
I kind of hate him. When he comes back, what we should do is just pretend like we don't know who he is Because he didn't buy The football team Yeah But he could buy the Bears How great of a prank Would that be on him though What He comes back to Earth And everybody just agrees We're going to pretend like We don't know who Jeff Bezos is Yeah And he'll think that Whatever happened to him In outer space Fucked with his brain And like I don't know Like found a wormhole He comes back no one knows who he'd probably be happier you know doing him a favor you know one of them bootlickers would probably fucking tell him what the gig is up you know that's true yeah I actually don't really have a strong opinion I think he's just a dork who's got a shitload of money probably should pay his taxes I'm not a big fan my cool throne is Australia Australia on the cool throne.
Did you see the video that I put up earlier today of the kid at the cricket match? Yeah, eating the watermelon. This is one of my favorite videos I think I've ever seen on the internet.
So this kid goes to a cricket match in Melbourne. It's this kid at a cricket match in Australia.
He brings an entire watermelon with him, and he starts eating it. he bites through the rind and he eats the entire watermelon by himself the nsa entire i mean like the green yeah the white part everything everything about the watermelon he eats and it's it's a huge dub for australia because i feel like australia's lost some of that like we don't give a fuck aura about them it's been largely swagger jacked by russia and to a certain extent Florida recently, where all the crazy stories are coming out of these other places.
And they used to come out of Australia. This put Australia back on the map as like the weirdest people on the planet.
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, it was an unbelievable video.
It was absolutely incredible. Eating the Rhine.
Yeah. I was told, my grandmother told me that it was poisonous to eat the Rhine growing up.
Did you guys the hell out of me? I always thought that if you ate the watermelon seeds, you'd grow a watermelon in your stomach. That part's true.
Yeah. And then the gum thing, too.
But Hank dispelled that because he swallowed every piece of gum he's ever chewed his entire life. Just a reminder for everyone out there, we should bring that up.
Set a reminder, Jake, for three months from now. Just to remind everyone that anytime Hank has chewed a piece of gum, he has swallowed said piece of gum.
Yeah. It's candy.
I bought a shitload of gum. Where's gum? Candy section.
I bought a shitload of gum. That's not always true, Hank.
Yeah, it is. Not always in the candy section.
Pretty much. I bought a shitload of gum.
If you couldn't swallow it, they put it in the tobacco section. How about that? I sometimes swallow dip spit.
I bought a shitload of gum last, like, two months ago. Hank ate every single piece.
You said help yourself, and you helped yourself. You told me to.
I know, but I forgot you ate it. I wouldn't have said that because that's bad for you.
Next bet we do should be like if Hank loses he has to survive on just eating gum for two days. He could do it.
Easily. Easily.
How many calories are there actually like nutritional is there nutritional value in gum? Probably not. It's like 10 calories or something.
He's got some calories and some sugar. You can survive a couple days.
He can definitely do it. Speaking of future reminders, I'm looking at my calendar.
We got something coming up in three weeks that you told me to do a while ago. What is it? Make video of...
Oh, no. What did we say that? Make video of Big Cat and PFT sucking their own dicks.
I don't remember the context. I don't think that that's something we said that we would do.
You told me to put it in. I think I would remember that.
I'm sure someone will listen and remind us. Oh, because it's 6-9.
No, no, no. It's for three weeks from now.
It's in three weeks. Oh.
Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. I was like, oh, yeah, the date.
That means that I'll give myself a head. If someone could help us out here.
What? I don't know. That wouldn't even be 69.
Would that be like... That would be a zero.
Yeah. It would be zero.
Or it's actually kind of a nine it's the the snake eating its own tail yeah um we'll see yeah if someone let us know what that is all right my hot seat is uh the doubters because uh lebron james had his corny instagram post that we all were waiting for it was a scene from the gladiator which what came came out 25 years ago. It won an award.
It won an award. He wrote, promise you, I will count me out.
If you want to the man in the arena, the kid from Akron. I like that.
He put the man in the arena on an all time speech. If you're just trying to deflect any sort of criticism, be like, I'm the person that risks it all.
I'm the guy that's going up against the goon squad, not you.

Yes. So,

let's just do a quick straw poll.

Are you counting him out?

No. Yes.

You counting LeBron out?

No. No? Are we talking about

past LeBron or present LeBron?

Are you counting him out? Not yet.

As a Robin.

Not as a Batman.

I want to count him out.

Yeah, I'm going to do it.

You'll regret that.

I'm going to count him out.

You'll rue that day.

Promise you I will.

I'll admit something, Big Cat.

Yeah?

You miss him.

Yes.

No, not that.

I don't miss him.

I'm happy he's eliminated.

But I've been seeing so much slander on LeBron's name. I had a moment earlier where I felt a little bad.
He's getting crushed because people were talking about the MVP, and it was like LeBron should have had five MVPs or whatever, and everyone was just destroying him. And his shoes suck? Yeah, shoes suck.
He doesn't show up in the regular season. He can't win the playoffs.
You're doing it.

I kind of feel bad at all.

You've been incepted into defending him.

That's incredible.

My, my. How's the turntable?

It was a moment of, I guess, I don't know. Weakness.

Fragility, yeah.

Yeah, real weakness.

Are you going to become a LeBron fan?

Absolutely not.

This is how it started for me.

If Bronny goes to Duke, though, all bets are off.

And he owns the Red Sox.

This is a gateway drug. You are like one year away from becoming a LeBron fan.
I'm just mature, I guess. Yeah.
Unbelievable. You had a pre-woke period about LeBron.
Unbelievable. You've got a lot of tweets you're going to have to clean up.
Oh, my God. Wow.
Wow. It'd be great if you wrote a whole thing like I thought one way.
Well, I don't. I agree.
That's the thing. You just felt bad.
Yeah. I've changed the way I think I've matured.
I was like, it's going to suck to be LeBron and just get your seasons over and you're just getting your whole entire career destroyed. And all he's ever done is just tried to be a great player and a great role model and a great father.
If Space Jam 2 is really bad, it's going to be a long summer. Yeah.
Yeah. I hope for your sake that it's awesome because actually no one is trying to steal his instagram followers and that's like the main plot of the movie so what that seems like you fell for an onion tweet i i think so too but also i like i was like i don't know it's it sounds so ridiculous it just might be true what does come out july we gotta go we all gotta go to the movie we gotta that should be a special yeah special podcast we do review july 16th july 16th what day of the week is that believe friday oh come on lebron the movies come out on friday we'll go thursday we'll fucking dedicate it we'll go thursday night we'll go late thursday night and we'll do you know what we should do we should pod we should during the movie.
That'll be nice. All right, my cool throne is Skip Bayless.
I don't know how we missed this on Sunday, so it's kind of hot seat us, but Skip Bayless, if you think that he's, like, over the hill, if you think he's expired, you're so wrong. Did you see this tweet on Sunday? I'm shocked that we missed i did i see every skip he said i was wrong about being wrong about the clippers yeah in a shock to me i was ultimately right yeah we never talked about it yeah it's it's amazing yeah like skip baylor yes his only crime was being so right yeah now they have a very good shot at winning it all as i originally predicted yeah i was wrong about being wrong about being wrong about the Clippers.
In a shock to me, I was ultimately right. Well, no, he was right because he was saying that the Clippers are going to go further than the Lakers.
Right. And he probably only made that take so that he could say that the Clippers are better than LeBron.
But nonetheless, he did predict that. And then once they fell behind, he reversed his take.
Unbelievable. And then it's well known that if you reverse a take,

you can always revert back to your first take that you had.

I love it.

Because that's your initial one.

I love it.

I love it.

All right, Jake, you got a quick hot seat, Coltrone?

Yeah, quickly.

Hot seat is running the bases.

Player on the Pirates hit a home run to Brian Hayes.

Missed first base.

They called him out.

And to relate to the Barstool Sportsbook, PFT's Pirates booty bet. It's fading the Pirates and team total every night.
Tonight, it was under three and a half runs. How many runs? They lost 5-3.
Oh, wow. That literally won the Pirates.
Oh, my God. I love it.
Thank you. I love the Pirates.
Bet responsibly. Listen, bet responsibly, but the system is working this year.
Yeah. The system is working.
It got off to a bumpy start, but we stay the course, trust the process. Pirates, booties, and winning bet.
And then a cool throw, Nick Saban, extension, not going anywhere. Everyone else is screwed.
Yep. Yeah, we already knew that.
That's pretty fair. Derek Cole.
Unless Dabo. Oh, Derek Cole.
Yeah, you're a Yankees fan. What do you? Oh, no, we're doing that on a segment.
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He also has a podcast called The Overtime Podcast with his son, Wes Phillips, who's a coach for the Rams. Comes out every Thursday.
You can find it everywhere you get podcasts. Coach, very excited to have you on.
Dude, I read a story that you don't like being called coach. You like just being called Wade.
Is that true? Well, yeah, with the players, you know, I always kind of make a joke with them. But, you know, with the players, they call everybody coach.
You know, I want to be a little more personal than that. And so I wanted to call me coach because that's respect.
But, you know, my name, I wanted to call me my name because it's more personal. So most all the players call me Coach Wade.
Yeah, and if someone called you, a player called you coach, you'd just respond and call him player, right?

Right, because I wanted to make the emphasis.

It was kind of my little joke, but I'd say, hey, coach.

I'd say, hey, player.

After that, they'd call me, hey, Coach Wade. So, you know, I'd call him, hey.

I didn't call him player Jim.

I just called him Jim or whoever.

Yeah, I like it.

I want to get this out of the way right up front because it occurred to me today

that I'm not sure if you're officially retired or not,

and I hope that the answer is no.

I hope you the answer is no. I hope that you're not retired because I think that football is a better place when Coach Wade is still around.
So are you officially retired or are you looking for a job right now? Well, there are no jobs available right now. So I would like to go.
I think I can help somewhere sometime. But I don't know.
know you know it's not up to me whether i'm retired or not it's up to somebody hiring me okay because i'm still available but uh you know it's not looking good because i hadn't been in the league for a while so well i had an idea i don't know if this would ever work or not but you always see like the the proliferation of really high scoring offenses in college football and i've always wondered like if you get a mississippi state or like a mike leach offense where they're scoring you know 50 points a game hopefully uh and if they just have you know an average defense would that be like would that even be possible given the style of offense that he runs if you were to go back to college and you know team up with one of one of these spread offense guys? That's funny because I was talking to Mike Leach before he went to Mississippi State. So, but I didn't end up going there, but, but you know, college is so, I mean, it's so much tougher than pro football.
It used to be the other way around as far as defense is concerned. I mean, now, like you say, teams are scoring 40 points and they're getting beat by 20 points.
So it's a tough league now for defensive coaches. I think I could help colleges, you know, cut down on scoring some, but I'm really more familiar with pro football.
So, you know, you've coached for over 40 years in the NFL and you've seen all the changes in the rules and how the game is played. Was there a certain point, a certain rule where you were like, all right, well, now this is becoming almost impossible for us to get consistent stops, even though you continue to do so with your defenses? No, I mean, the rules came in, certainly.
And the rules for safety, certainly, you know, that's a good thing that they've been doing for a while. It usually helps the offensive quarterback, but that's okay.
But, you know, I understand that, you know, not hitting receivers in the head and defenseless receivers and things like that. So I didn't worry about all that.
But, you know, the one that hurt the defense probably the most was was early not early in my career but but uh when they when they took away being able to chuck a guy downfield you know hit a hit a guy downfield only within five yards uh you know that took the even the mel blunts and people like that who were so great took them out of it because you know he was so great he'd knock them down and 10 yards or 15 yards down the field yeah yeah so but you know it's an offensive game overall I mean they want they want more scoring so I understand that and you've coached some of the best names just in the history of the game some of the best players especially in terms of pass rushers you coach Bruce Smith White, J.J. Watt, Vaughn Miller, Aaron Donald.
I'm not going to do the thing where I ask you who the best player is that you have ever coached. I will.
You can do that later. I'll ask it this way.
Which one of those players would be the maddest at you if you didn't say their name as the best player? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, probably all the guys that are alive now, you know, Bruce Smith, all of them, you know, but I think they're great because they have so much pride in themselves.
Some people say ego, but I think, you know, they always – they thought they were the best, but they also played – tried to be better than that all the time. So – and I have said before, Reggie White was – he had the greatest year that I've ever coached.
And that he had 21 sacks, which was the record for a long time.

But that was in a 12-game season because we had a strike

and our record players didn't play the first four games.

So in 12 games, he had 21 sacks.

I mean, I don't think anybody's going to ever come close to that.

Yeah, Reggie White's one of those guys that I think history hasn't forgotten,

but I think younger fans probably don't realize just how incredible he was.

We'll be right back. come close to that.
Yeah, Reggie White's one of those guys that I think history hasn't forgotten, but I think younger fans probably don't realize just how incredible he was. I just remember Reggie White's strength.
He would just toss guys. Would you marvel at that in practice? Would you have to tell him, hey, take it easy and practice because you're going to get someone hurt because you're that much stronger than everyone uh reggie wasn't a practice guy now okay you had to get you had to gear him up a little bit to get him to practice uh you know he loved playing the game like all of them but uh he was he he was kind of a joker kind of having fun in practice he didn't uh and you had to get him a little mad which he didn't wasn't his nature in ball games.
But if somebody got him mad in the game, we were all excited because he fixed the run over him, like you say. Did you ever, like, have anything that you could try to get him mad or did it have to be from the other team? You know, Buddy Ryan was good at that too, you know, because I was with Buddy and Buddy would, you know, mention to him when he came off the field, boy, that guy's kicking your air you know and so so ready to go and prove it the next play so uh just think like that with him you know because he took everything serious yeah so all right so i'll give it easier question that you can answer without hurting anyone's feelings so i've read a lot about your coaching style and the thing that a lot of the players say is that you gave them the freedom to trust their instincts.
And maybe if it's not exactly the play they should be making, but they can trust their instincts and get to the quarterback, go make it. You said, hey, you have the freedom to make a mistake here, but I know that you have the talent to make the play.
So who that you coached had the best instincts? Just pure, that guy knew exactly, like, where things were going in almost like a sixth sense. Yeah, all of them had that instinct that, you know, rushing the passer to go inside or outside and make the right decision, you know.
I mean, all of them had that. That's why they were great players and great pass rushers.
And they all had a great sense of finding the football, you know, where it was on running plays and pass plays. But I will say this.
One of the guys I coached in the last several years was J.J. Watt.
And we let J.J., we let him determine where he was going to go by the formation. You know, if it was a certain formation, he would go inside or outside if it was a different formation.
And if they motioned and did things like that, he made those adjustments. And we kind of played off of him.
Normally, the linebacker plays off the defensive lineman, you know, as to where he feels. But we just did the opposite with him.
He's one of the few guys I've ever had that, you know, because you're down in a, you know, a three-point stance, and it's hard to see down there, for one thing, to see what the formation is or the motions and things like that. But he realized all that stuff.
We utilized that with him. Just said, hey, you know, they're getting this, they're running this, you go this way, you know, and we'll put you in the middle of it.
Or they're in this formation, rush the passer. We don't care about the run, things like that.
And he was so good at that. Probably the best I've been around about just doing that.
Yeah. You know, most of them you have to tell them you do this job, and they do it, and they use their instincts to maybe run around the block and make a play.
But we told him in the first place, decipher what the formation is and then go play. And he did a great job of that.
Yeah. You mentioned your time that you spent in Philadelphia there with Buddy Ryan.
Were the Ryan boys, the Ryan twins, hanging around practice ever? Was somebody in charge of looking after them, making sure they didn't get in too much trouble? You needed somebody to look after them, you know. Yeah, I think they were in college.
You know, they were younger. They were in college or maybe I think out of the high school.
But they were – I remember one night Buddy had to go down and they supposedly beat up a guy in an elevator or something he had to go trade it out or messed with the guy anyway and uh so buddy made him we were at training camp so buddy made him go outside and sit down on a rock out there for a while so Which one was the bigger troublemaker in your opinion?

Who was the one getting the other one into trouble?

Oh, I don't know.

Both of them are good at it.

They haven't changed.

They're great guys.

Yeah, we've had Rob on the show.

Yeah, Rob came on the RV.

Great time.

And they're a lot like their dad.

They're really smart as far as football is concerned.

Yeah. So speaking of dads, your dad was a legend as well.
You know, you credit a lot of who you are as a person to your dad, Bum Phillips. What's the I heard a story.
He borrowed a racehorse one time. What's that story? yeah that's

you know when he was coaching in high school

he actually just started coaching

and he

he What's that story? Yeah, that's, you know, when he was coaching in high school, he just actually just started coaching. And he had been in the war.
He'd been in the Marines, came back and got married. And then he was starting to coach.
And he was like the B-team coach. So he wasn't making much money, long story short.
He wasn't making much money. Well, I, my, my mom was pregnant with me.
And so, um, you know, the medical bills were coming up as far as me, when, when my mom was going to have me, well, he was working on a ranch in the summer. He worked on a ranch down in South Texas.
And, uh, because he coached, you know, you didn't make much money, uh, coaching. So he worked on a ranch in the summer.
Well, I was born in the summer. But on this ranch, they were pasturing a horse.
They pastured several horses. And one of them was a racehorse, and it was a quarter horse.
If people are familiar with it, they're not the – they run the – horses run a quarter mile. You know, they're the short, shorter distance race, race horses.
And, but this horse they were pasturing had just set the world's record in the 400, you know, meter now. But I mean, 400 yard race so he, he was the fastest quarter horse in the world and set the world record.
Well, they had him pastoring out on this ranch that daddy was working at. And so my dad decided, uh, they had what they call match races over in Louisiana where you could take your horse over there and race against another horse, you know, and they bet on, you know, but it was, you know, it was just guys standing on the sideline pick, you know, betting against each other.
And, and so they said, well, let's just take him over there. And my dad said, you know, I don't have a whole lot of money.
I got, you know, maybe a hundred dollars, but I'm going to bet all my money on, on the horse because they knew he was going to win. And so, so they take him over to Louisiana, this match race.

And then, uh, uh, first of all, they didn't want them.

They didn't want them to know that, you know, this was, uh,

they're bringing a ringer. Right.
So, uh, the horse had some markings.

They didn't, you know, people that are in the horse business, no,

no marking, but he had a, like had a paint on his, on his forehead, you know, and white. And so they did the brown shoe polish on him, you know.
You know, so nobody recognized the horse somehow. And then they told the jockey – they had a jockey, a guy that was riding the horse.
They said, pull him back. You know, we don't want to win by, you know, so much that people think we brought in a ringer.
And so, of course, they had the race, and boom, they take off, and the horse takes off. Obviously, wins easy and wins by a long ways, and they were worried about that.
So one guy was running by picking up the bets and taking the money from the guys on the sideline. He was taking the money.
And my dad and the other guy ran to the horse. You know, the horse is sweating now.
And so he started to lose something. So they're putting a blanket over him, and they're running him into the trailer.
And they got out of Louisiana as quick as they could. And so my dad doubled his money and paid for me.
So that's amazing. That's great.
That's a great story. I feel like everybody should have a story where they have to hightail it out of Louisiana.
Yeah. Just head for the nose.
That's a great story. And your dad was like an all-time, just a cool-looking guy.
You know, the iconic look of the jacket, the big cowboy hat. And I feel like a lot of us when we're growing up and we see our dads, when we're kids, we're like, oh, my, my dad looks dorky.
He looks like a dad, but your dad like had an undeniably cool look about him. Did you realize when you were growing up, like my dad's a cool guy, or did it take the benefit of hindsight getting a couple of years away from him to be like, that's a great look that he's got.
Yeah, I think, uh, yeah, both things. I, you know, I mean, he, he, he grew up working on a ranch, you know, working on, working on ranch.
He was a real cowboy or a real Western person. He knew all that stuff.
He loved coaching and he loved ranching. As I got older, of course, I didn't have the cowboy look, especially during the time that I grew up.
But getting away from him for a while and then coming back and then coaching with him, you know, he's the only coach in history, and I'm sure he's the only one that ever will wear a cowboy hat and cowboy boots on the sideline. But I thought it was pretty neat because that was him, you know.
That was who he wore when I went over to his house. He was wearing the same stuff so uh but it was needed he got to do that uh so the i hate to bring up bad memories but the music city miracle you were on the other side we jeff fisher's a friend of ours we've had him explain it from his point of view from your point of view it was that totally a forward forward lateral what was going through your mind when that all went down? Yeah, we had instant replay.
And I was standing there on the sideline, you know, right across from where they were making the play, where he was throwing the ball back, throwing the ball forward. So I still thought when they scored, I thought, you know, they're going to call it back.
And it was close after looking at it, you know, it was close. But if you ever look at the film, which it was filmed then, you know, he threw it from behind the line and the guy caught it in front of a line.
So I don't see how it couldn't have been forward. But it was our mistake, really, that we didn't, you know know we didn't play the play right we we should have kicked it deep and and uh covered the field or if we're going to kick it short we should have kicked it to more to the sideline where they couldn't where they couldn't throw it back like that so uh it was still our fault overall yeah so uh you you have been a head coach, interim or head coach, for six different teams.

It's actually the most in NFL history.

Which do you like more, though?

Do you like being a head coach or a defensive coordinator more from, like,

a coaching and life perspective?

Well, I mean, you always like being the boss, I guess.

But I've always said, and I think it's true, you know,

I was a better defensive coordinator than I was a head coach. And so I think that's been my niche, really, or has been when I coached in the league.
We didn't have a terrible record. I always say I was a bad head coach.
You weren't. I didn't have a terrible head.
I had a winning record. Yeah, it's pretty good.
Yeah, which is decent. But the thing I didn't do as a head coach that I got to do as an assistant coach was win a lot of playoff games.
So I had a winning record in both areas, but we won a lot of more playoff games and, of course, the Super Bowl as an assistant coach. Yeah.
What about being an interim head coach? Is there something that you liked about stepping into the interim role? Because to me it seems like it's kind of a different – it's got a different skill set, right, being an interim guy and then being a full-time head coach. Like you've got to bring some sort of a spark, and you hear about like Dan Campbell when he was an interim coach, he'd blast Metallica and bury a football at midfield.
You have to do something to turn the page a little bit

and get the players ready to go.

Was that a challenge for you, stepping into that interim role?

Yeah, it's very hard to do that, I think,

to change what you've been doing the whole season, the whole offseason.

You've lost a lot of games.

That's why you become the interim head coach.

So that season is not going well, and then you take over

with only a few games left.

Or at least in my case, there's only a few games left

every time I did it.

So you just try to get them to play as hard as they can.

And, yeah, if you could do something where maybe it changes

their attitude a little bit, but it's hard to change what they've been throughout the whole season in in a few games and I think it's tough on the interim coach to do that yeah you seem like a pretty straightforward guy too so that's why I was kind of curious did you have any like firing up strategies to get the guys going to get them you know ready to turn that page when you stepped in as an interim guy well I always told them hey that you just you just got the last coach fired and I don't want you to get the guys going, to get them ready to turn that page when you stepped in as an interim guy? Well, I always told them, hey, you just got the last coach fired, and I don't want you to get me fired, so let's get to playing better. We're going to get back to Wade in a second, but before we do.
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your play? happens new amsterdam vodka is there here's more wade phillips what what's your favorite saying that you would use with your players uh whether it be like in practice or before a game i have a couple that i wanted to throw you but i was wondering what yours was that maybe one that you like leaned on more or you liked more uh to pump the guys up i don't know i mean there's all kinds of sayings, you know, that I think. And anything you want to emphasize, that's what you do.
You just say that saying over and over and over and over with them. And so they know that.
And I had several that I used overall. But the one I always used was when we played the game, when we were going to play the game the night before the game, we'd go over everything the night before the game.
And then the last thing I'd say to them is, hey, mistakes are mine. And what I want them to do is not worry about mistakes.
And if they make a mistake, just go ahead and keep playing harder and harder. And in fact, I said that so often.
We were playing in the Super Bowl with Denver and the night before the game, you know, I gave him a speech and said, hey, you know, we've got to play as hard as you can and so forth and so forth. And I said, okay, let's go get them.
And I started to leave the room. And then i hear these voices say coach coach what about the mistakes and i said okay the mistakes are mine and they all shared i i i wrote that one down because i love that one i so that was the one i wanted to bring up but i'm happy you said it the other one that i loved was uh you'd say every winner is just a loser that didn't quit i think's a great saying.
It's something you believe in, you know. I mean, and again, the good thing about coaching is you can influence people, you know.
I mean, when you talk to them every day and then you talk to them before a game and it's important that they want to try to do well, then you get to influence them in your way of thinking, so to speak, in a lot of ways, not everything, but certainly in a lot of ways. I didn't influence them to like country music or anything like that.
Did you try? No, my dad did, but it didn't really work even then. He played some and they turned it off.

You mentioned the Super Bowl 2015, the Panthers-Broncos.

Did you know going into that game that you had to get a defensive touchdown

or you had to create a certain amount of turnovers to win that game?

Because Peyton Manning, as great as he was,

was obviously limited at that point in his career,

and you knew that you had to have a good defensive performance.

So I'm curious what your goals were going into that game if you were going to win from a defensive standpoint. Well, that was our whole season, really.
I mean, we went into every game thinking we needed to play really well defensively, not because of the offense, just, you know, it was our job to play, to win ballgames. And, you know, and Oswalder played half the season, too.

I mean, Peyton was hurt half the season.

And, you know, I've never given a team an out, you know.

And so I've always said, hey, to win the game,

we have to give up less points than their defense does. So if we lost the game, it wasn't because our offense didn't play good enough.
It's because we didn't play good enough. And so that was always my philosophy and always has been because it's easy to point the finger on the other side because, like you say, Peyton have a great year I mean he led the NFL in the interceptions and he only played seven games so he didn't have a great year but but he he's a great player and he and he he was a big influence on our team and helped win the games that we need to win certainly.
So speaking about that Super Bowl um the arrival of Wade Phillips Twitter Twitter account, which I love, really came out when you visited the White House and you gave us all a tour from your point of view. I especially loved just the single picture of the lawn and it just said lawn.
That was the caption. Just letting everyone know.
And then like the red room just said red room. It was half of the red room.
What has been like you tweet all your own tweets right I assume yeah I'm afraid so yeah no it's great and so have like what made you get into it and um like I love it I think I think you're a great account to follow and you really show like your personality and sense of humor and I love when any athlete or coach does that um have you enjoyed it or is it like have you because most people get on twitter and eventually they start hating it yeah well uh it's not the p it's not me hating it sometimes haters hate you right you know and i learned a lot of things that not to say too but uh but i actually started when i i got to got to be the head coach of the Cowboys, you know, there was so much, uh, and Twitter was coming out then. And I thought, well, this is a good way to get to the fans, you know, to speak to the fan.
Yeah. Press conferences and all that, but it's, you know, it's just coach speak all that really.
So I thought, you know, uh, uh, you know, I just put on there, Hey, caged the Bears or something like that, you know, and the fans love that, you know. They love that kind of stuff.
Or, you know, we're excited about this game or whatever, you know, which was true. So I started doing it then and just kind of stuck with it.
But like I say, you know, I made a few mistakes by, you mistakes by saying things I probably shouldn't have, especially about Green Bay. Their fans really get mad at you.
Yeah, you got to learn about the like button too because people look up what tweets you're liking on there too. I saw that there was a little snafu with your ring that you got from the Super Bowl.
Did you get that fixed?

They misspelled your name on your Super Bowl ring. Yeah, they certainly did.
They didn't misspell my name. They had the wrong name.
So it didn't say Coach Phillips. It said Coach Peters.
which

you know

I might have liked it one time

in my life, but that wasn't it. So they, one of the guys, alphabetically, they, you know, they switched it somehow.
One of the guys that worked there, he got his regular ring. I got the wrong name.

So I wanted to try to keep it.

They wouldn't let me do it.

So I had to send it back to them.

But I'll say that this one, they got me a new one pretty quickly.

You mentioned the Cowboys.

We've never had a Cowboys coach on.

How much did you dread Jerry's press conference after games?

Jerry's press conference?

Thank you. You've never had a Cowboys coach on.
How much did you dread Jerry's press conference after games? Jerry's press conference? Yes. Oh, well, no.
I mean, Jerry's going to say what he's going to say, and that's just part of being a coach there. You already know that.
But also, Jerry is so much different in that he's a general manager. And, you know, you expect general managers to say things and be quoted in the paper and so forth.
But for some reason, since he's the owner, you know, nobody's they always look at him as the owner saying something. But he's really saying stuff as a general manager.
Could you sense his presence when he was down on the sidelines when he was doing the the jerry jones he usually came down on sideline when we were winning at the end of the game so yeah so uh he wasn't down there when we were losing so um you have a dvd it's called coach's choice dvd i have to ask a really random question but the cover of the dvd has like a super dangerous tackle on it what why'd you pick that oh i super dangerous tackle yeah the guys the guys got his his head down yeah right on the side it's like it's oh yeah it's like a picture of what not to do in a football field no yeah no when I did the DVD, this was a long time ago, a friend of mine had worked with a guy out in California, Jim Peterson, who wrote a book for Bill Walsh. But anyway, he does these DVDs, and so they asked me to do it, so I went out there and did that.
I thought maybe it was your sense of humor coming out, like, hey, here's Coach Phillips being like, here's how not to tackle. Like, here's an instructional DVD on how to play defense with the worst tackle ever on the cover.
No, I didn't even realize that. So I had to call him and say, hey, check on the picture.
If you teach every other player how to tackle poorly, then only the guys that play for you know how to tackle the correct way. Here, I'll show you.
Kind of a genius move. Yeah, let me see if I can get it up in the – I think you'll be able to see it.
Oh, yeah, who's going to get the lowest, right? Yeah. Does low man win? Is that a true a low man wins every time i love it uh duck your head yeah right your uh your other super bowl appearance uh recently here with the rams i know that it didn't turn out the way that you would like to ultimately but you only gave up 13 points to the patriots at a super bowl has has that sunk in to the point where you can, look back on that game and be proud of the performance that you had, at least individually as a coach, and as your defensive unit went out there and performed? Yeah, I mean, you always feel like you're proud of whatever they did.
You know, I mean, even though we – you know, I gave up the most points in a loss in the Super Bowl when I was at Denver the first time and we lost to the 49ers and they scored 55 points. So I gave up the most points ever in the Super Bowl and a loss, and then I gave up the least points ever in the Super Bowl with that 13 and a loss.
So both those games were losses. You know, that's the way it goes.
What was it like coaching under Sean McVay with the age difference? Was there ever a moment where you're like, man, I've been, I've been coaching. You literally were coaching in the NFL for longer than he's been alive.
Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I, I said it when I first, first got the job, I asked him if I could say it, but when I said it, when I first got, but, you know, we're the only staff that had one coach on Medicare and the other coach in daycare.

But you guys got – I mean, you obviously went to the Super Bowl.

You had a successful relationship.

You know, was it ever weird to just sit there and be like,

hey, I've seen all this stuff?

But he – I mean, everyone knows Coach McVay is obviously so advanced and such an exceptional coach. Is that really what it is? Like age doesn't matter? It's just football talks? Yeah, that's what it is.
He's certainly special in that way. Age, you know, we always say when we get older, age is just a number.
It doesn't make a difference. But he's one of those when he's younger and it doesn't make a difference because he's uh he knows he knows a lot of football he's got a great sense for uh communication with the players and coaches and everybody so he's he's a great great uh they asked me about him being a great young coach he's just a great coach yeah we were talking to uh to coach fisher not too long ago about uh working with your defensive coordinators in practice especially if you have a young quarterback or rookie quarterback even um sometimes he'd be teamed up with dr heat greg williams and you'd have to try to tell greg hey maybe lay off the heat a little bit we're trying to work on some things with our rookie is that something that you had consciously in your head when you'd be um sending your defense out there in practice if you have a young quarterback would you intentionally try to give him certain types of looks or lay off other types of looks so that he could progress as well as you know like because you want to have your defense prepared for the game but you also want to make sure that you're you know your star young quarterback is progressing at the right pace yeah usually usually usually in the offseason we would go, you know,

ones against ones.

But, you know, once you get into preseason and so forth,

you really – I don't like the ones that go against the ones

because I want somebody to win, you know.

So I like the one defense to go against the two offense

and vice versa when I was a head coach.

And I think that's the way most people do it. I mean, you don't want to run a young quarterback for sure, having him in a situation where he's going against a veteran defense that gives him all kinds of problems at practice.
So who is the hardest offensive player to game plan against? It could be quarterback, running back, wide receiver. Who that when you think back like that guy I just couldn't figure it out because he was just so talented and so exceptional uh well I mean all the great quarterbacks was I mean you know Tom Brady he's the first one I mean gee you know he he's gonna know what you're in all the time and and you know Pey Peyton Manning before he was on my team and then when he was on my team in

practice, he, you know, he would,

he would work with the scout team every once in a while,

especially when he was hurt that year and he was coming back and we'd want to

see certain looks, you know, and he would audible in practice to stop us,

you know, so those kinds of guys, I mean, they're, they're so good that, you know, they're, they're so hard to play against, you know. So those kind of guys, I mean, they're so good.

You know, they're so hard to play against, you know.

Yeah, Norm Van Brocklin is really tough.

But I go way back with a lot of great ones.

Yeah, Blake Bortles.

Tell me about game planning against Blake Bortles.

Yeah, well, we had Blake, you know, I played against him when I was coaching with the Texans. And a real athletic guy, you know.
Yeah. I mean, in practice, you know, they have to throw the ball all the time.
They don't really run with it. So working against him in practice, you know, you didn't have to worry about him running with the football But when you played against him in game, you know, the guy was athletic enough to, you know, if it wasn't there, he'd run for a first down.
So, you know, these running quarterbacks that we're getting more and more of now, you know, it's a different game plan and hard to work against in practice because you don't see it. Yeah.
I think Blake actually has the highest yards per carry of any quarterback, at least in the last 10 years, right? Yeah. He's like the ultimate dual threat guy.
How involved were you in choosing who the, who the scout team quarterback was going to be for the offense, depending on who you're going to be matched up against the next week? It's usually, as long as it isn't the first team quarterback,, we'll put somebody there. We put wide receivers there if they could throw a little bit and run with it just to give us the look every once in a while.
Or a running back if you happen to play quarterback in college or something like that. So you mentioned the quarterbacks that can move and do all these things in today's game.
This just popped in my head. The instant classic, the Monday night football game, Rams versus Chiefs.
How much did that suck for you? Because everyone was like, that was the greatest game ever. It probably wasn't great to be the defensive coordinator in that game, even though there were defensive touchdowns that were scored.
Yeah, we scored two touchdowns on defense. I don't know, we sacked him a bunch of times, and then we intercepted, what, three times or something like that.
And what I've always said with my guys, you still got to play good enough to win. You know, when it came down to it, we had to make the stops or even at the end of the game.
They had the ball at the end of the game, and they could win the game. We stopped them and we got an intercept.
And so, you know, when you shut somebody out, that's great. But it comes down to the same deal.
If you give up less points than their defense gives up, you know, then you're going to win the game. And I don't want them ever, you know, be having a, quote, bad game and worry about all that.
I want them to worry about game somehow winning the game and if they you know if they scored 50 points already so what you know we've got to stop in this last series and we did so i you know yeah i i know how to i know how to beat my homes that's for sure i like that though because i think that's yeah i mean that that obviously was such a crazy game up and down, but it probably speaks to you as a player's coach, and I think most players that played for you will say that, is like at the end of the day winning the game is all that really matters. Obviously there's stuff you clean up afterwards, but who cares? You gave 51, but your team scored 54.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I like the attitude that you have, too, which is it's almost like you're a father of the defense.
That'd probably be a more appropriate title. You are the dad of whatever defense is out there because you love your children all the same.
And, yeah, they might let up a Super Bowl record amount of points on defense, or they might let up a 13-point loss 13-point loss to the Patriots and you love their performance because they're your guys. And at the end of the day, like, you're just a proud dad.
Well, yeah, they're my guys, you know. They are.
And I believe in relationships, you know, not just, you know, I'm the know-it-all or the, you know, I use, before I mean I've encouraged players to say say something if they thought you know they thought it was important in the game that hey you know Aqib Tlaib we were playing Kansas City and we had them backed up right before the half. They just got the ball

before the end of the half.

He said,

he said,

call this certain

defense.

He said,

they throw an out route on the first play

of the series

in two minutes.

I said, I got something else I can

call, but I'll call it for you. Of course, they ran an out round, he intercepted, and we scored for the half and ended up winning the game.
So, yeah, you know, those things are important. I think if I was a different type of coach, he might not have ever said anything to me, you know.
So I think those things help. Yeah, absolutely.
Who would be the best player that you've ever coached that maybe isn't one of those top names, maybe not like a perennial pro bowler, but is there one guy that stands out to you over the course of your career that's been a very important guy defensively that might not have gotten all the accolades, but you're like, this dude can play football? Well, a whole bunch of them, I think. I mean, I can go back.
of course you know I've got a whole bunch of them, I think. You know, I mean, I can go back.
Of course, you know, I've got a whole lot of Hall of Famers now. I mean, like Ricky Jackson and Robert Brazil and Curly Culp and Elvin Bethea.
I've coached in the first, you know, my first 10 years of coaching. They were all in the Hall of Fame now.
And then Atwater's going in, you know, this year he was supposed to be in, but Atwater's going in. But, you know, besides the Hall of Famer, you know, I don't know.
I mean, we had a guy named Vernon Perry with the Houston Oilers that had the greatest game in the history of the playoffs. When we played San Diego Chargers, I was with the Oilers, in the playoff game, he had four interceptions and blocked a field goal and ran it back to like the 10-yard line, and we won 10-7.
Wow. Not bad.
He had the greatest game that I've ever been around. But he wasn't a pro bowler or anything like that, but he had the greatest game for sure.
Great one day. All right, so Coach Wade, this has been awesome, the Overtime Podcast.
I have one last question for you. Someone tipped us off that you stole tapes from SMU back in the day.
Have you returned those? What's the story behind that? Well, this is, I don't know, I don't want to get a long story, but I'll try to shorten it. No, we have as much time as you want.
Well, anyway, I was going to Oklahoma State. I was coming from high school at Oklahoma State.
My dad was the defensive coordinator at Oklahoma State. So he hired me and another young coach.
But my dad had been at SMU and he was moving to Oklahoma State. Okay.
And a new coach came in at SMU. Hayden Fry was there.
People remember Hayden Fry. He got fired.
They went 7-4 and beat Texas. But they still fired.
They had fired Hayden with three or four games left, and so they let him finish out the year, but they ended up having a good year. So anyway, so my dad goes to – they had a good defense, and my dad was coaching the defense.
So he goes to Oklahoma State, and he wants SMU to give him the copy of the film from SMU so he could put in the defense, you know, so he'd have tape on the defense, you know, film on the defense so he could teach the Oklahoma State guys that. Well, the new guy, SMU, the new head coach, said, no, we're not going to let you have the film.
He just wanted a copy of the film. He the original you know and they wouldn't give it to him so i'm young i i i'm and and another young coach named harold richardson and i are both going there and we get there the first day and my dad says okay harold you and wade go down and get the film from smu you know now he'd already they'd already told him they

couldn't have it okay so Harold had worked at SMU with my dad as a graduate assistant so so Harold knew the layout really and so Harold calls calls some friends down there finds out the head coach is not there he's out recruiting or something and so Harold and I go down to SMU to get the film.

And we walk into the coach's office.

And, of course the secretaries at that time uh they knew harold you know hey harold how you doing you know and harold said i'm doing great and they said well harold what are you doing here you know and he said well i'm getting here i'm here to get the film and they said oh okay and so and and har Harold told me before we went in, he said, hey, don't say anything. Just act like you know what you're doing.
I said, okay. So he walks in.
So he's the mastermind of this. So we go into offices, and, you know, some of the coaches are there.
Some of them aren't defensive coaches. He knew where all the defensive coaches' offices were, you know know and so we go on the defensive line office and the film was in there you know some of the film and harold would just hand me the film they were in cases you know and he just hand me the film and so uh we went in one guy's office that he's watching the film and the lights are off and And they had you know the 16 millimeter film you know and and he's running it the coach is running it harold turns on the light you know and says hey i'm i'm harold richardson and the guy says yeah he said well i'm here to get the film now the guy already has the film harold walks over rewinds the film while the guy's sitting there, you know, said,

we need this film,

you know,

puts it in the case,

hand it to me.

We walk out and,

uh,

we,

we walk out of the building with all the film from the year before,

you know,

and it's the original film.

It's not,

it's not copy.

And so we take it up to Oklahoma state.

Uh,

we made up our,

cut up our film,

uh,

for,

for our teaching purposes, taped back together, film where the missing parts were, and sent it back to SMU. Of course, they raised hell when they got it back because they were missing a lot of the film.
But anyway, we did what my dad said, go down there and get the film, so we did. You know what happened later? I hate to bring this up, but the Music City Miracle play was taken from film from an SMU game by a Dallas Cowboys special teams coordinator who then brought it up to Tennessee.
It was almost like maybe the curse of the film. Yeah, it came back to launch.
Yeah, well, we should have cut that out too, I guess. Yeah, right.
If you had just cut that out. Yeah, we weren't doing special teams.
We were just doing defense. Yeah.
I could have been a little smarter, I guess, but I wasn't. Yeah, that's the answer now.
If you could change one thing in your entire life, it would be to cut out the special teams film when you stole it from SMU. You were right there.
Everything would be different. Or get a different official who was supposed to be there watching the throwback go forward.
Yeah. Well, this has been awesome, Coach Wade.
We really appreciate it. We'd love to do it in person, too.
Next time you're in New York City, definitely come by. And good luck.
And you are officially retired from retirement. You said that.
So anyone who needs help who wants to make their defense great because that's what you've done your entire career, let's get it going. Oh, I mean, we're friends with Deion Sanders.
We can have him give you a call. You want to go to Jackson State? Yeah, there we go.
Well, I think the USFL is coming back too. That's true.
That's true. Okay.
But I'd like to stay in Houston if I could. All right.
All right your way We don't hear anything So this is a totally hollow offer by me We know Dana The coach of the University of Houston We're actually good friends with Dana Holgerson Oh yeah That's my alma mater He doesn't really play he doesn't really play defense, though. No.

He's one of those offensive games. He doesn't worry about defense.

Yeah, right.

Four more than the other team and you win.

That's actually perfect.

They'll be like, hey, listen, I'll take you down from 40 points per game

given up to 39 points per game.

Yeah.

Might win an extra game.

I think I can do that.

Yes.

I love it.

All right.

Well, Coach Wade, thank you so much.

Really appreciate it. Hey, I enjoyed it, guys.
Good well, Coach Wade, thank you so much. Really appreciate it.

Hey, I enjoyed it, guys.

Good job.

Thank you so much.

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I invented the thing, you pigeon pink whitney for legendary moments all right let's finish up we got two segments and a couple faqs uh segment number one garrett cole what were you gonna say pr 101 pr 101 for garrett cole yeah he was asked in a in an uh was it like an open press conference today they didn't have a game he today, right? Anyways, he was asked by one reporter, have you ever used the substance known as spider tack to enhance your grip? And his answer was, here, I'll do a Garrett Cole impression. I don't know how to answer that that's really what he said garrett cole here's a little pr 101 for you it's called lying yeah uh you just have to lie yeah and if you just lie what will happen is people will print your lie yeah and then people read that and be like oh garrett cole doesn't use spider attack and then the story's over and then you can just stop using spider attack if you've been using it before the thing you don't want to do i would actually have respected a lot more if you'd be like yeah i've used it because literally every pitcher uses it and now that i know that they're cracking down i'm not going to use it anymore well he kind of did say that by accident when he was like you know there's a lot of things in this game that were passed down from the previous generation to this generation.
Essentially, like, yeah, no, it's not me. I'm like, you know, I'm holding my friend's weed for him.
Like, it's not, no, no, no. Like, someone else gave me that.
So, yeah, he, all-time terrible answer. Really bad.
But his hair looked awesome. I actually noticed that.
I mean, how many different ways were the Astros cheating? We got got to figure out I don't count this way though because it's literally everyone. I think it was the Yankees first and the Astros took it from them and it's pretty much just them two.
He should blame Astros culture for making him cheating. I want to give a little PSA to our friend Trevor Bauer.
I think they're going to try to, much like they found the villains in the steroid era, I think they're going to

try to find a villain for the spider

attack era, and

who would be better than Trevor Bauer?

Because people don't like him. Not saying

he does it. Actually, I would say he probably

doesn't, but they're going to try to pin it on him

and make him persona non grata.

So Trevor, please make

sure you're clean. Well, Trevor, also,

you're probably listening to this podcast, right? I'm sure

you have whatever the Google Alert equivalent of

I'm sure you have

whatever the Google Alert equivalent of a

podcast notification is.

You are cheating.

The spin rate thing is pretty obvious

for Trevor Bauer. But again, everybody

else is cheating too. But they are going

to try to pin it on you. So just beware

of that. It's happening.
It's going to happen.

This is what they warned about with Garrett Cole when it comes to the New York media like some people aren't ready for the bright lights of new york city he didn't anticipate that somebody would ask him a tough question like hey garrett do you cheat at baseball he was not prepared for that that's only the type of question you get out of the big apple yeah unbelievable unbelievable all right sorry hank just passed it on to me. Or did I pass it to you? It was simultaneous.

Wait, Hank hey we just did we just did we just come at the same time pretty much hank when you catch a yawn from somebody you don't do the the noise oh that was a silent yawn why my mic was off the only i could that i would hear you yawn down the hallway i don't think so you guys have noise have noise-canceling headphones on and big house talking. All right, so we have Respect to Biz, quick one from Paul Sullivan.
I'll leave it on. PW Sullivan at Twitter.
He deleted it. No.
He deleted it. And Chicago Tribune, long-time baseball writer, sports writer, sports columnist, sorry, so much so that he does have the picture of himself from the newspaper header from like 25 years ago.
The Cubs are playing in San Diego, and he said, the Padres allow fans to invade press box to take photos during work so late. Gross.
And someone responded and was like, I'm a Padres fan and they do this four hours before the game so that a few fans can get pictures. So initially when I saw the tweet, I was like, maybe this happened during the game.
And they were, I don't know, cheering, heaven forbid, having fun. But no no i looked at the background of the picture and the background of the picture clearly shows the batting practice it's so far and there's like one other person in the press box at the time so it was just literally him with his phone stopping because he was being interrupted from his work by other people taking pictures to take a picture of them yes one thing fans need to realize big cat is uh the only reason that you really get in to sports media at that level to be a press box guy is so that you can look down on fans yeah and so that you can feel like you're superior to them and like they owe you a debt of gratitude for covering the game that they watch on tv all facts uh so you can't come in and disturb that's like that is their holy grail that's their space that they have carved out for themselves because they went to journalism school.
I just hope the Diet Coke machine was working. What do you think about this, Jake? Disgusting, right? Just disgusting.
Absolutely disgusting. I did a hashtag grow the biz.
Not an ideal way to do that today. Yeah.
Oh, wait. I used to go to press box.
Wait, no, no, wait. You think the fans are disgusting? Oh, whoa.
No, no. He is.
This is not the tweet. All right he is We disagree The tweet was not an ideal way to grow the biz You can't have fans They're fucking dirty ass fans Root for teams gross This guy's got a deadline in 7 hours Probably more like 9 Yeah The best is when the West Coast Comes on the late edition The writers will tweet about about having their game story.
They call them gamers in the biz. Don't ruin it.
That's my favorite part of when something dramatic happens at the end of the game. You're like, well, this sucks.
Now I have to delete it. Oh, no, it was fucking awesome.
That's what I was going to say. It's a sport.
They always tweet about how their story is no longer usable. They don't like sports.
All right, FAQs, finish this up. Hank, we got some killer guests coming up, by the way.
Let's get some official predictions on how this overtime game ends. Oh.
Avalanche. The Gucci overtime challenge? Avalanche.
I'm going to go. Well, you have to say who scores the ball.
Nate McKinnon. He's the only player I know.
Chocolate.

I'm going to go with the second best guy on the team.

Kel McCarr.

Yeah, yeah.

McCarr.

McCarr.

McCarr.

He went to UMass.

That's my guy.

Love him.

Love him.

We got this guy.

All right, I'll take the Knights.

Great UMass name, too.

I'm going Colorado McCarr.

Find someone, Hank?

Flurry.

Yeah, Flurry.

I like it.

That could happen. All right.
You never know. Wait, is Reeves playing? Dude, if you got that right, I don't know what you'd get, but you need to get something.
It'd be like when Billy predicted whatever that was, Monday Night Football. Yes.
Hey, Hank. No, Thursday Night Football.
Hey, Hank. I would like to know what the dynamic of the PMT group chat is.
Who texts first? Who never texts? Who gets the most laughs and upvotes? Is it all work, no play in the chat? I'd say it's actually very even text messages, right? It's also even on the play and work, that's all I'd say. A lot of planning.
It's usually like bursts. Yeah, during the week.
Whatever it is, it's bursts. During the week, it's usually work.
Like, here's what time we have to be at so-and-so location because we're around each other so much that there's really not a big need to text anything. We'll just, like, bust somebody's balls to their face.
But on the weekends, if there's blood in the water, if one of us has one of our favorite teams have something bad happen to them, then it's just, like, open season for about three hours. Yeah, something funny.
Liam's Clips at four in the morning. Liam's Clips at four in the morning.
They come through. We also do have a text message.
It's PMT, no Billy. Yep.
Which, what did you say every time you saw it? Who said that every time they saw it, they thought it was PMT, no Billy. Yeah.
Bad boy. Because it's got a picture of Billy with a circle and a line through it over.
It's always something that Billy fucked up when I get a text. And it's not.
We're going to add him back in when he comes back, which could be soon. But for his own good.
Yeah. But yeah, I would say there's been times where I haven't been on my phone.
I've looked and there's been like 20 messages. But then by the time I get to the bottom, I'm like, all right, I don't need to add anything.
It's nothing here. It goes in and out.
And occasionally Hank will do this really passiveive thing where he goes back like four months and he emphasizes a tweet. I did that.
I pulled that on him. I went back, yeah, four months.
I did a thumbs up. Sometimes you've got to get petty.
I think all group texts can be like that. Yeah.
Absolutely. What? Yeah.
You've got to thumbs down. Like, yeah.
If you were right about something a long time ago and you guys aren't going to bring it up,

I have to bring it up myself.

You got to be your own biggest fan.

Yeah, I'm on a group text with my friends

and I sometimes will just randomly to one of my friends,

I will go back for an entire week

and thumbs down everything he said.

It always hurts his feelings.

Hey, Dadcat, Marlon's Woman, Honk, and Beta... No, not going to say his name.
When you've hit people up for interviews, are there any funny rejections you've gotten from people who don't want to come on? Yeah, fuck Jared Dudley. Yeah.
That one sucked. He was lame for that.
And then he tried to come back on, right? Yeah, then he tried to come back on. Why would you do that? It wasn't like a funny rejection or anything.
It's more just like, I don't get why this happened. But Lil Dicky said no to us.
And that always confused me. Because I think he'd be great on the show.
And I still want him on the show. Kevin Durant said no to us a million times.
We've tried to get Chris Berman on. He hasn't outright rejected us.
No, we just circled him. We're going to get him.
We'll get him. I'm trying to think.
There's definitely been someone that we've reached out and they've been like, yeah, this person's not doing press. Tim Tebow.
I think Tim Tebow, the response was like, he doesn't really jive with you guys. That's a totally fair assessment.
I heard it was a hard no from Tim Tebow. Which I would expect that.
I wouldn't want Tim Tebow to say yes to us because we would make fun of him. Would you guys bail anyone out on this podcast if they committed murder? Depends who they killed.
Depends on how they killed him. What if it was murder and that person called and was like, I didn't do it? What if they killed baby Hitler? First one there.
If Jake told me he didn't do it, I'd believe him. Yeah.
Of all people? Yeah. He's the biggest psychopath here.
If Jake says he didn't do it, he didn't do it. And if he did, that's family business.
Keep it in the family. No offense, Jake, by the way.
No offense. We have a sit-down about it.
No offense. You know? Maybe we give you an envelope until you get lost for a while.

Yeah.

A nice sit down.

That's your family.

Our thing.

I would actually, as long as like, I think as long as it wasn't like a child or I think

if it was another man, I'd bail all of you guys out for killing another man.

That's pretty sexist, big cat. Well, no, I would not bail you out if you killed a woman.
I wouldn't. No matter what woman it was.
Any woman. Hitler's wife.
Ava Braun? She killed herself. No, did Hitler kill her? Baby Hitler's wife.
Unclear. They're living in Argentina.
Yeah, I think I'd bail you guys out if you guys were like, hey, I got into beef with another man, had to kill him. I'd be like, all right, fine.
Fuck it. Let's roll.
What if Hank was like, hey, I... Say no more, fam.
I fucked up. I killed Jake.
The memes got to me. Yeah, no, I'd bail him out because I'd be like, finally, you stood up for yourself.
Yeah. I would bail him out under the condition that we record a podcast immediately before you get arrested again.
What took you so long, Hank? All right. This person sent like 12 questions.
I'm going to read them all as fast as I can, and then you guys can just choose which one you answer. Oh, God.
Have you ever guys thought about doing live shows like KFC Radio? Have you ever thought about doing less than three shows a week because it seems everyone's more busy now? Any update on KD coming on? Will you ever talk about what happened with Dan Bilzerian? I have holes in my old PMT shirt from where? Can I get a new one? How's life? How excited are you for the Brooks-Dave golf match? Are you really going to be on Brooks bag the whole time? My answer is no. My answer is we can't talk about it.
You have to figure out which one. That actually answers, I think, all of them.
Yeah, those are mostly no's. That actually answers every question.
Except for, have you thought about doing less than three shows because we haven't no that's that's also that's a no yeah we never have yeah i think we covered it all because there's one specific yeah that like we'll give you a little bit more with we can't talk about it uh just big but dan bilzerian made us sign something that was like five million dollars we'll sue you if you talk about this which i guess now he's gonna sue us but he sucked also met Steve will do it remember that yeah he was like hey I'm Steve will do it I was like who but now I follow him big fan gives out Tesla's everywhere dude just gives Tesla's out he's yeah he is uh and his fucking dog's cute Donald does big cat even eat the donuts I know way too much about Steve Will Do It. I don't even know who that is.
I can tell by your silence. No idea.
I was pumped to meet him when we saw my dad. Yeah, no, he's awesome.
He sounds like a made-up reality star from 30 back. Dave dropped the ball with that one.
Steve was trying to work here. Really? I like Steve Will Do It.
I felt bad when he introduced it. I was like, I don't know who you are, but now I do.
You should have been like, what would you do? And then you could have seen it, and it's crazy. Oh, Flory just hit the post.
Does Big Cat even eat the donuts? He's looking good lately. How many donuts do you actually eat out of those? You tweet six every Saturday.
Seven. Seven.
I usually eat three. But it's the weekend, so it doesn't count.
It's usually three and then one-one other members of my household. And then now there's a baby, so I'll probably just have to make her eat them too.
Yeah, we don't finish. We don't finish all of them.
But I'll have a bite of every single one. That's kind of what I do.
When was last Saturday you didn't buy donuts it's been a while it's literally my favorite thing to do my son and i go and it's a fucking great time we just go we pick out the donuts it's like a little little serenity kind of a decompression like let's get into the weekend it's just it brings me happiness i really like it i've always wanted to have a place where i go what i do i know nice. It was adorable.
I want to have a place where I go on a regular scheduled time where they know you and you walk in and they're like, oh, hey, it's Mr. Comet.
Hey, Mr. Comet.
We got those frosted ones that you like so very much. When you walk in, are they like, oh, it's Dan.
No. So the guy.
Get a good angle to that. It's Donut Dan.
He does kind of know who I am because it's a Donut Dan.

Oh, there we go.

It was the Knights, which Hank did predict.

And it was not Nathan McKinnon.

That's pretty crazy.

The Knights.

Yeah, Knights up 3-2.

No, the place I go to, which I don't want to say because there's a line.

I would not say it.

And there's a line.

But I'm usually first in line. He's standing on threshold day.
I've got it timed out. I fucking know what time it opens.
It's a place that... It's literally a line down the block.
What do you want me to say, Hank? I don't want to wait in the line. I love it.
This is great information. So I wait.
I get there. I know when to get there.
And so I'm usually number one or two in the line. Usually when someone's ahead of me.
Is it the same crew up top? No, usually when someone's ahead of me, it's like someone who, like, I can tell, like, you're a fucking tourist, like, you just Googled this. You lucked into this whole position.
Probably got here because you thought it was open. Yeah, no, and they opened the doors for me, and it's fucking awesome.
Yeah guy i think the guy recognized me i think he knows who i am i think he's spanish not an faq but anytime anyone anytime something in f1 happens me my buddy just say box box yeah box box and that was talking f1 f1 is awesome please get daniel on the pod huh i also like to say like he won't retire he's too

much of a driver to retire yeah push push push push okay push okay okay pierre push mode push

mode push from here yeah okay push here i just love it when they get like p7 and the whole crew

is high p7 that was a great drive i love how they also just apologize to each other all the time

they're like oh i'm sorry guys did you see that one dude he got passed by like seven cars in about

Thank you. P7, that was a great drive.
I love how they also just apologize to each other all the time. They're like, oh, I'm sorry, guys.
Did you see that one dude? He got passed by like seven cars in about five seconds. And then he probably was like, sorry, guys.
The engine. It was hilarious.
Watching it from the point of view of the cockpit. Sorry.
Sorry, guys. All right, we'll end with this one.
We'll try harder next time. Will Lenny Dykstra ever get another anonymous phone call? I'm sure.
Yeah, we'll reach a breaking point with Lenny at some point. But Lay's too online recently.
You want to? It's 12 o'clock. We can't do it.
No, Lenny Dykstra is definitely getting to bed early. Let's see what last time he tweeted.
People also forget we had an actual burner phone. Yeah.
Yeah. We actually had a separate, I don't even know where it came from, but it had its own...
It was a cell phone.

Lenny Dykes was probably going to bed right now from last night.

He hasn't tweeted for 12 hours.

I'm going to leave Lenny alone.

We're not going to bother Lenny.

But he retweeted something an hour ago.

Shit.

He's a huge Kwame Brown fan.

He's only retweeting Kwame Brown stuff But Kwame isn't even on Twitter Do I have his number? You liked something 54 minutes ago What was it? You beat me to it nails Salud You remember when we just tweeted out Like a picture of a naked woman In his basement one time. That was wild.
He does weird-ass shit.

All right, hold on.

I think she was there voluntarily.

Are you Googling if star67 is still a thing?

No, I don't have his number saved.

So I have to go back into my DMs.

Wait, can you search DMs?

Well, I just went to his profile and hit DM button on it. Gotcha.
I'm actually upset that I don't have it. I guarantee you he's changed his number, right? Yeah, that's like four years ago.
Maybe not by his own volunteer. Maybe it was...
..., he did pay.

All right, so I'll DM him and be like,

hey, Lenny, can I get the new dig?

And we'll do it.

We'll do it.

Maybe once.

Although I did feel bad.

People were like, that was fucked up.

But he hasn't been arrested in three years.

That's true.

Lenny feels like he's on the mend.

He's on the straight now.

We're good with Lenny.

All right. 8.
99. He's on the straight now.
We're good with Lenny. All right.

8.

99.

Great show.

18.

6.

53.

I can't believe I can't even keep track of my numbers.

53.

67 ineligible.

92.

Damn.

Albert Hangeworth.

Shout out.

He got a new kidney.

Who hasn't?

Who hasn't? Who hasn't had it? Third Me Third time Just you You're the only one You've never won Hank Yeah no You've been all around The numbers It's almost impossible We've had this for Almost a year now Yeah but there's still like 30 numbers that I've been picked No Wait we've had this for Almost a year August 10 months I just had an idea Feel free to shoot it down Do you think that Lenny Dykstra Would like to play Dungeons & Dragons with us? Yeah, I do. I'm shooting that down.
I will probably just eat the dragon's pussy. I will DM right now.
I've got facts if you guys want them. Or we can hold off till Friday.
Hey, Lenny. Hank's shooting it down.
I'm loading up an RPG. I think it would be good content, Hank.
I'm going to say great. Probably not great.
Be solid. Boom.
Done. I said, hey, Lenny, long time.
Want to play Dungeons and Dragons with us? That's literally what I just said. What, Hank? What? No, I'm waiting for you to end the show so I can say what I really want to say.
Animal fact, Jake. Oh, wow.
Coyotes and badgers will hunt together. The badger digs up the prey and the coyote runs it down.
Love it. Teamwork makes dream work.
Love you guys. Remember when he showed up to our office with a gun? Yeah.
You can leave that part in. Yeah.
He did. People know that.
That was old money. Talking away.
I don't know what I'm to say. I'm saved anyway.
Today's another day Take care. I'll be coming for your love, okay? Take on me.
Take me on. I'll be gone.
And I'll take you. It's the better to be safe and sober Take on me

Take me on

I'll be gone

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