Chargers Head Coach Brandon Staley, Tom Wilson Fight Night And Fyre Fest Of The Week

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On today's part of my take, we have Chargers head coach Brandon Staley on the show. Awesome interview, new football guy term that will be unveiled.
You have to listen for it, but it is awesome. Maybe even we'll make merch for it.

I don't know.

We'll figure it out.

But very, very fun interview.

We have a little Adam Schefter dropping a bomb about the Aaron Rodgers situation.

Tom Wilson fought the entire New York Rangers.

Blake Bortles, possibly the Packers.

Fire Fest of the Week.

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You know what, Hank? What do you got against the East River? There was a dolphin in the East River. No joke.
There was a dolphin in the East River. The Seinfeld episode, that one always strikes in my head.
When he went swimming in it? Kramer? In a wetsuit? Yeah. He was fine.
Nothing bad happened to Kramer after that. I actually see all the times.
People jet ski in there. Jet ski all the time.
That grosses me out. It's very weird.
It's very weird. It is strange to see anybody doing any sort of activity

in nature in New York.

Yes, yes.

Jet skiing in the East River.

I want to talk to one of those people.

We should do it.

Elon Musk should do it on SNL.

Yeah, he should.

He absolutely should.

He should also,

what if Elon just,

at the start of the episode,

he pulled an Oprah

and he just told everybody

in the audience

he was giving them

a million bucks each.

Ooh, look under your chair.

Yeah, look under your chair. It's a million bucks.
It's a mini guillotine. And then he had everybody just get audience he was giving them a million bucks each.
Ooh, look under your chair. Yeah, look under your chair.

It's a million bucks.

It's a mini guillotine.

And then he had everybody just get robbed right as they left the studio.

That would be cool, too.

Get his money back.

I also would like to see Elon Musk.

I mean, I don't think he has self-awareness, but it would be funny to do a board meeting.

Is it Musk?

What's it?

Tesla?

Tesla?

Tesla.

Tesla.

The boring company?

That's Musk.

Yeah, the boring company.

That's what I was looking for, where they just reinvent things that we already have, like that time that Elon Musk tried to invent the subway. You know what would be very funny if he just straight up announced that he bought the Yankees and then dissolved the Yankees immediately? Yeah.
Or... The Yankees are no more.
What if he starts a show and he creates a Super League? That'd be funny, too. I like that.
And everyone's invited. If you're a fan of soccer, can you say no to a Super League that invites everyone? No.
I don't think again. And that would truly be super.
And it should be countries instead of teams and instead of club teams. They should play once every four years.
Yeah. But the U.S.
doesn't qualify. Sometimes.
Most of the time. Most of the time.
And when they do, they're not good. Right.
Yeah. Well, except for that time we drew against Portugal.
That was a huge result. No, it was Spain.
No, we beat Portugal. And we drew against Spain.
We drew against Spain. We just lose to Ghana every year.
Watch out. Soccer knowledge going crazy.
I could actually see him doing something where he injects himself with CRISPR technology, the RNA stuff, and makes himself part Shiba Inu to drive up the price of Dogecoin. He better drop some Doge on Saturday night, see that thing go to the moon.
All right, so we got some stories to talk about. One is, let's start with Tom Wilson.
He fought the entire Rangers. PFT, you were there.
It kind of goes to exactly what we were saying on Wednesday, that the problem is the NHL not having, they basically the the goon the goon is extinct in the NHL the fighting has been phased out of the league the big guys don't have a place anymore therefore Tom Wilson is the toughest guy in the world and he beat the entire New York Rangers roster and I think I actually think for the Rangers like if you go into that game knowing you can't beat up Tom Wilson, don't even fight him. It was the best hockey game I've ever been to besides when they won the Stanley Cup.
It was so much fun in that crowd. So right as the puck dropped, everybody fought.
It was a line brawl. That's what they call it in hockey.
They have a term for it. I think that, honestly, forget about other sports, which should absolutely incorporate fighting.
I think that's healthy. Workplaces should allow fighting.
Like, if you get into a fight, if you know that fisticuffs are on the table and you can fight in the first 30 minutes of your workday, you'll probably end up having a more productive day after that. You're going to get all your frustration out.
Like, Jake and Hank would probably be at blows right now after the ass-whooping that Jake put on Hank in Stoolstream Stadium today. Did you just invent the plot to Fight Club? Yeah, yeah.
Except you should be able to talk about it. Got it.
Yeah, you should absolutely. It was such a fucking fun game.
But you're right. Tom Wilson doesn't have, like, he's the apex predator right now.
Yeah, there's no counterpoint. And listening to Eddie Olchek between periods go through the list of the Rangers roster and just saying, this guy, he couldn't beat up Tom Wilson.
Tom Wilson probably could have fought his way through the entire roster and the front office, which halfway doesn't exist anymore. Which doesn't exist anymore.
And come out a winner at the end of the night. Yeah, so to make it even worse for the New York Rangers, James Dolan fired the guys who were in charge of the rebuild, who all Rangers fans are really upset.
And then the Rangers got fined $250,000 for criticizing the NHL. So essentially, the Rangers have played themselves so thoroughly, and it's hilarious because I honestly think if Tom Wilson had just been suspended for one single game, none of this would have happened.
Probably not. That's really all that it took.
And I appreciate the NHL now giving us more of a, like, if you want to get real woke,

the NHL only giving them a $5,000 fine was the greatest thing they've ever done

because it kept the story going and having people talk about the NHL

before the playoffs for another week.

Yeah, it was actually like they did not do this on purpose,

but we're all talking about hockey right now.

Accidental geniuses.

Fighting in hockey, which, I mean, listen, you can try to get fighting out of the game, but the game's better when there are goons going at it. Each franchise should take one player, their biggest player that they have in the developmental system, and just be like, listen, we're just going to work with you on MMA, on boxing.
You don't practice hockey anymore. You're going to be a full-time fighter and just have that guy stashed and ready to go and have that guy at the end of your bench for every single game i it would have been very funny if they just brought up a guy from the minors well just just to get punched by tom wilson they should have if the rangers really were thinking about how to really maximize the exposure they should have just signed jake paul yes have him fight the entire thing was yeah or biz it was it was so much fun being at the game.
And because it was socially distanced in the crowd, I think they're only doing like 10-20% capacity. There was enough space between you and the people around you that even if you were rooting for the Capitals, somebody else was rooting for the Rangers, there was no threat of violence between the fans because you'd have to get up, walk a couple steps, unmask.
Unmask. It's like a waiting period for a handgun.
By the time you get to the guy, you're like, you know what? I don't want to do this. I've walked up three steps already.
I'll just go back to my seat. Right.
But it was a lot of fun. A lot of people are saying that James Dolan, now choosing to focus his attention on the Rangers, is what's actually tearing the team apart, and that's why the Knicks are good right now.
Yep. It's like a three-year-old with a bowl of spaghetti in one hand and a bowl of cereal on the team.
You can only fuck up one thing at any given time if you're James Dolan. I would say that's not true.
A child could definitely fuck up a lot of things at the same time. A kid could, but I don't think James Dolan is competent enough to fuck up two things at the same time.

Don't tempt him.

That's a bold—the people who are listening to this show who are diehard Knicks and Rangers fans

have James Dolan in their life are being like,

Fuck you, PFT.

Do not give him a challenge.

Don't even tempt him.

Don't test him.

I think that—so there was one other thing that the Rangers did that continued to play themselves.

They ended up getting a suspension from one of their players for cross-checking when he put a stick up into our guy's face. And so now they've gone and hurt themselves more through the retaliation.
And people are saying, can you imagine if Tom Wilson did this? Has become the new, imagine if Patrick Mahomes makes this throw. Everybody talks about it.
Or Ray Rice was for only two games exactly so like you can you can take anything that happens in sports or even outside of sports if it's bad be like imagine how how people would react if tom wilson was caught doing this is bullshit um all right like when jake paul took floyd mayweather's hat that it's like imagine if tom wilson did that dude that was such an awesome troll move i know that like it who knows at this point with the Paul brothers, like you could make the argument like everything's fake or everything's whatever. Taking someone's hat like that and just saying got your hat no matter how old you are, how young you are, whatever, like you could be the richest man, the poorest man, whatever you are that bothers you.
If someone just comes up, steals your hat, runs away and says got your hat fucking sucks it's even it's so much worse when the person says i got your hat your hat you just steal the hat and it's like okay that guy's weird you saw floyd naturally react yeah he's like i need my hat he's got my hat yeah he's got my hat yeah it's like if you steal somebody's hat and tell them they got your hat that's bad if you flick somebody's ear that's also pretty bad wet will anything involving

the ear really dry willy yeah you have a dry willy someone that's fucked he should have he

should have stolen his hat in someone dude when there is like i'm gonna come across very sophomoric

here but a pants no a pants when you can get the underwear as well and the person's dick and balls

flop out is the height of comedy it happened to me playing pickup basketball with my friends

I'm sorry. Pants, when you can get the underwear as well and the person's dick and balls flop out, is the height of comedy.
It is. Happened to me playing pick-up basketball with my friends.
With my friends. Full pants.
Like, if I were Elon Musk, if I really wanted to make everyone laugh, I would just go up and pants Lorne Michaels on air. Be like, hey, Lorne, I want to do a skit where you're wearing basketball shorts.
And just fucking pants him, dick and balls flopping. Funniest thing ever.
I just drop my shirt below to pull it down. You like bend your knees and crab walk over.
If I could do a Kings of Comedy tour, it would just be people getting pantsed and puking. Farting, too.
I'm just describing jackass, which I love. Getting pantsed as you're pushing somebody in a shopping cart into a tree.
Oh, my God. Comedy doesn't get any better than that.
It's the best. All right.
So the other story we had, Adam Schefter revealed that he dropped all the Aaron Rodgers news. It was an accumulation of information, I think he said, on draft day.
People are very upset about that. I actually think I kind of love it by Schefter.
All right. I actually have a question for the big J in the room.

Will they be teaching this course in Syracuse and saying,

hey, this was wrong, you should have reported it when either you had all the facts

or the first second you had any inkling of this?

Did Adam Shefter break whatever the HIPAA is?

I'll be honest, I didn't see his tweet.

I just saw you saying there's a potential of Blake going to Green Bay. Okay, so all right, I'll explain to you.
So Adam Schefter went on the Dan Patrick show today, and he essentially was like, this has been brewing, which we all knew. Like, that was a fact.
We all knew. But Adam Schefter said, I tweeted it on the day of the draft.
Like, he didn't have to tweet it then. He tweeted it then for maximum effect, basically getting the entire world talking about the NFL, the entire world getting excited for the draft because, like, oh, no, are the Packers going to trade or what are they going to do? So he sort of withheld information, but also it sounds like it was just like it wasn't one specific thing.
He was just a ton of talk about Aaron Rodgers being upset. I also don't believe that this is true.
The timing is too much of a coincidence. Of what? Of him just randomly accumulating all this information until it reached a breaking point on the morning of the draft.
Well, no, he admitted that that's not true. He basically said he decided to just tweet it on the draft day because it's the draft day.
So I guess he just took the risk of being beat to the scoop yeah kind of well he said that he could have tweeted a week later two weeks later like rostein does the same thing where in the draft started tweeted like charleston southard's hosting stanford that's a huge snooze right but he picked that specific time to do it then right when he put out it was very funny to see like rap sheet have to jump on it and be like yeah i'm also hearing right yeah it's almost instantaneously like no no one man should have all the power that adam shefter has in the nfl if he tweet like on a sunday morning if he tweets like taysom hill is being investigated for murder sean payton will probably bench him that day because oh my god this is true and then rap sheet will be like yes i'm hearing he stabbed somebody yeah it was yeah i mean the one thing i do teach you teach you is it's always better to be right than be first. But it did feel like Schefter basically waited.
Tried to cause chaos. Yeah, he tried to cause chaos.
Which I actually. He's a joker.
He is the joker of the NFL media complex. Yeah, and this is where the line.
This is kind of the crux of my question, Jake, is Adam Schefter is a journalist. But he also, his job is to get people to people to watch ESPN.
Right? And more people are going to watch the draft if they think Aaron Rodgers might get traded during the draft. So I think that was kind of what he was going for.
What do we do here? I don't think there's any big J regulations that go against what he did. I think you have to stop teaching the it's better to be right than first lesson.
That's Internet 101. You be first.
Do they have a class? Yeah. You be first and you be loudest.
And that person ends up being right. That's new media, Jake.
Yeah. Or do they have a class that's like the number one goal is to make money for your company? Not when I was there.
That's what I would teach. Yeah.
There was calm law. I took calm law with libel and slander, the differences.
I think there's an ethics class. Yeah.
No, everything that you're describing sounds a little too ethical for my taste. Yeah.
I want my insiders just straight up making up fake arrest charges just to move the point spread and whatever. Well, we have an insider that sometimes just makes stuff up and hits news half the time.
Who's that?

R.I.P. Leroy.

He's dead. We had.

You just incorrectly reported that my dog was alive, Jake. That was libel.

Or slander. Leroy's

slander's like then and then. Who knows?

I'm pretty sure libel's written and slander's

spoken. Who knows? Who cares? So you slandered my

dead dog. Congratulations.

There's been too much dead dog talk.

Did they teach you tenses in school? Have or had? Yeah, com101. Com101.
You must have got an F. No, no, no.
I'm going to stick up for myself. At Leroy Insider.
Yeah, that's true. That does still exist.
He wasn't talking about the account. Yeah, I said the account.
My grandmother's dead too. Would you like to discuss her? Does she her does she have an account i don't know maybe she might have burners i don't think what i just did was bad i don't have any grandparents left you can say whatever last week from the insulator he's a fat door hashtag the master oh no that's he switched over briefly to be the bryson de chambeau tracker yeah yeah uh i do think as an owner of the green bay packers, I kind of agree that they haven't surrounded Devontae Adams with enough talent, and it's probably time for Aaron Rodgers.
I'm officially authorizing trade talks to begin with the Washington football team. How gallant.
Yeah, so if you need a quarterback who can cover the spread against Tom Brady in the playoffs, Taylor Heineke is your man up in Green Bay. Facts.
Facts, which the Packers did not do against Tom Brady. All right, so the other fallout of this is that now it's rumored that the Packers are looking for a quarterback.
They only have one quarterback on the roster, Jordan Love, and obviously Aaron Rodgers, but Aaron Rodgers refuses to play for them as of right now. So they looking for someone else for camp Blake Bortles has been floated out there I think maybe a coach on the staff knows Bortles or has coached with Bortles was LeFleur was he the was he in Los Angeles when Bortles was there at all me no they have familiarity someone on the staff I saw there was someone did the linking where it's like would make sense for this reason.
Blake Bortles knows the Packers system of making it to the championship game and losing. Correct.
So Blake is possibly going to be a Packer. I texted him.
I said, please don't. Please, please don't.
I really, really, I've decided I'm going to choose friendship over rivals and hope that Blake finds a job in the NFL and I'll root for him anywhere he goes. And what I just said is completely not true.
But that sounded good, right? Did he respond? Yeah. I'm not going to say it.
Because I don't want to ruin his change. He said, who knows? He didn't say no.
He said, who knows? That's not what he said. He said, it may happen.
It would be very funny if Blake Bortles became like a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback after arriving in Green Bay for the next 16 years. One of the funniest.
No, I don't. You didn't let me finish.
Yeah. But Justin Fields was a little bit better.
Got it. That whole time.
Hall of Fame plus. Yeah.
First ballot. Yes.
and then Blake gets in on the second one because he's a gentleman. Yeah, right.
But yeah, that will suck. I don't know.
Blake doesn't want to go. It's too cold.
It's too cold. Yeah, he doesn't know what snow looks like.
It's too cold. Can you imagine that? Yeah.
Come on. Yeah.
I want Blake to do well, and the NFL is a better league when Blake Bortles is in it. Fact.
If it happens to be in Green Bay and if he happens to just straight up ball out for the next 16 years, I think that's wonderful for everybody. Yes.
We're protecting the shield, big cash. Yeah, no, I'm rooting for Blake Bortles, and if he goes for the Packers, I will root for him there.
Not. Okay, anything else? Anything else? We've got a great interview coming with brandon staley um any other news we need to get to to send everyone off into the weekend i'm trying to think trying to think and i'm thinking and i'm thinking and i'm thinking and i got nothing right now anyone got anything no it's gonna be fun weekend it's gonna be a great weekend i think i think it's gonna rain in new york summer's back again yeah you know summer's back though summer's back i i feel very excited about this summer do you know what sucks about the rain in new york it it's hot rain no it never like fully commits like it's never like and when it rains in the midwest it like rains in new york it's like just it slightly spits on you for like three days straight it's hot rain that you can sometimes confuse with the air conditioner drops like sometimes you don't actually know if it's raining or not right just like i want my rain to like show up and fight me like a man rain don't just do this little drizzle all day shit it's just kind of like it inconveniences you right it's it's the wet willy of precipitation right you can kind of be out but out, but you can't.
It's like annoying. You don't know what to wear.
If you wear long sleeves, your arms get hot in the jacket. Mm-hmm.
Wet willies are, really. Try willies though.
Do it. Do it.
Stick your finger in your ear and then put it in someone else's mouth. That sounds like something...
It's very gross. Marshawn would do.
Yes. It's very gross.
He probably has done it. Oh, do you see Messier said that he knew how to fix the Rangers? Oh.
I would love to see Mark Messier try to fix the New York Rangers because he's just basically saying they're not tough enough. So he would make the worst roster possible.
He would assemble a roster out of monster trucks and blood. Yes.
And they'd lose 50 games in a row, and then they'd win 40 fights. And he'd be like, see, we changed the culture here in New York.
We're New York tough. There should be a certain salary cap, but a certain level of teams that have to be run by straight meatballs.
Yes. Every league you need to have, and you can maybe switch it around every year to year or whatever, but there has to be at least five teams that are always run by a true blue meatball.
And by the way, here's one other thing we've got to talk about. Tony La Russa is getting just hammered right now.
He seems a little out of touch. He's in a bar.
Yeah. No, he's behind the wheel.
Okay. So he didn't know the rules to the extra innings, and everyone's flipping out about it.
There's two things going on. One is I do think Tony La Russa was a stupid hire by the White Sox.
And I feel for White Sox fans because their team is actually really good. Two, dude, no one knew that rule.
No one knew that rule. It's a weird rule.
No one knew that rule. If you look at the statistical breakdown of how long Tony La Russa has managed in Major League Baseball and how long they've had that rule, of course he doesn't know it yet.
It makes up 0.2% of the time he's been in the league. So you can't expect...
Listen, you can get down to the nitty-gritty analytics stuff and be like, oh, Tony didn't know this or didn't know that. The bottom line is Tony is just there for one reason, one reason only, just to kind of be a father figure, like an absentee father figure.
Right, and credit to Tony La Russa for not throwing his whole entire coaching staff under the bus because that's their fault. Tony La Russa is not there to learn new rules.
I just thought it was funny because they were like, how did he not know that? I guarantee you if you asked like 100 baseball fans that rule, maybe five of them would have known it. Because I think it's this year, right? I mean, it's It's part of the starting at second base in extra innings.
Yes, and listen, it's a manager, not a micromanager. You don't get bogged down in the details.
If you told Tony, like, hey, when the beer sales stop, that's when you start an inning with a runner on second base, I think you would pick it up pretty quickly. It's about knowing how to teach your guys the right lessons.
Yes. More so than it is just expecting them to know everything.
And I like the seven-inning game. I like the new rule of starting on second.
I know that a lot of people don't like it. I think it's better just because there's nothing worse than games going like 16 innings.
You don't like it? No, it's just a sack bunt and a sack fly. Yeah, but a lot of times it doesn't work that way.
It's weird.

I feel like I've watched enough.

Small ball, baby.

Yeah, but...

And it won't matter for the playoffs, but I think it's fine.

Seven-inning doubleheaders, I like that.

Except, I don't know if they're doing this everywhere.

I know they're doing it at Wrigley.

It's a fucking abomination.

The fifth-inning stretch.

It's terrible.

Oh, I don't like that.

It's terrible.

You can't do a fifth-inning stretch.

There's nothing to stretch from. Yeah.
You can't do a fifth-inning stretch. It's terrible.
You can't do a fifth inning stretch. There's nothing to stretch from.
You can't do a fifth inning stretch. That's stupid.
So if there was a five inning game, you do a third inning stretch? What's next? A second inning stretch? Yeah, what the fuck? Slippery slope. We can stretch before you even come in? How would you feel if college football did this for the regular season? I'd be very confused why there were bases.
Wait, what? Like something where it's like

you don't want to go

into 6, 7, 8 overtimes.

Yeah, they kind of already

do that with the starting

at 20.

That's their overtime.

And then you have to go for 2.

Yeah, that's their overtime.

You have to go for 2.

Right, but what if they made it

even more so where it's like...

Okay, all right.

You're right.

All right.

Hank, I'm going to make you

in the middle.

You start at the 25,

then you start at the 20,

and then you start at the 4,

and then you start at the 5.

Let me correct my initial take

because I agree with you here.

You're changing the game.

You're changing the game. Here's what I'm going to say.
You're right. The 10th and 11th inning should not be a player on second base.
Once you get to the 12th, they should put him on second base. Fair? Yeah.
I think that's actually where you're right. 10th inning, I'm cool with play it straight up.
11th, same. But once you get to the 12th, just fucking get a guy on second base and let's get everyone out of here.
Get everybody home. Yeah.
At that point, everybody in the playoffs. Playoffs, you never have this rule.
Regular baseball. Ever, ever have this rule.
A regular season baseball game, once you get past four hours, enough is enough. Right? Enough is enough.
Let's just move on. Agreed.
All Alright, let's get to our interview, though. We have an awesome interview

with Coach Brandon Staley from the

LA Chargers. Credit to us for not

saying San Diego Chargers. I wanted to say it

like four times. Shout out

our fans in San Diego.

They don't listen to podcasts in San Diego.

No, my brother's out there. He does.

We got at least one. Oh, yeah.
Him and Mookie.

Yep. I was going to say, though, if you're

in San Diego, why would you listen to a podcast?

Well, I remember

when they decided to move the Chargers,

We're going to say, though, if you're in San Diego, why would you listen to a podcast? Well, I remember when they decided to move the Chargers, we took a lot of shots at the city of San Diego and said similar things. And there were a lot of people that were just like, hey, I'm kind of mad because of what you said.
Wait, that's not a shot. Well, we were kind of dancing on the grave a little bit.
Oh, when I say, why would you listen to a podcast in San Diego, that is the opposite of a shot that means you have a life and you go outside and play volleyball on a tuesday afternoon instead of listening to us right no what i'm saying is like people were halfway mad and then they're like but then i walked outside right and so i'm happy yes they proved our point um all right let's do that before we do that uh when your home system or appliance breaks down american home shield will help help fix or replace the covered item, no matter its age. Visit AHS.com slash listen for 20% off any plan.
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And only one Hershey's cookies and cream protein bars is made with Hershey's cookie bits while delivering 18 grams on a very special guest. It is head coach of the LA Chargers Brandon Staley Awesome to have you on coach Let's start here I was looking at your resume It's insane Your ascension to head coach in the NFL You four years ago Five years ago were coaching at John Carroll and now you're the head coach of the uh LA Chargers have you had a chance yet or is that something that might not happen until you like you know week one where you're like wait literally five years ago I was coaching at John Carroll University and now I am the head coach one of 32 in the NFL yeah time has gone by awfully fast uh you know my my son Colin's six he's lived in six states and and six years so uh we've been moving um but I think it doesn't make sense to a lot of people this timeline um I think the people that who know me well it makes a lot of sense You know, at John Carroll, guys, if you investigate that place and who was with us at that place during that time, we had a really special run.
We had a lot of awesome players. And then, you know, like the coaching staff that I was with, I mean, five of us are in the NFL right now.
Three of us were coordinators. You know, Dave Ragone with the Atlanta Falcons.
Frank Ross is the special teams coordinator of the Texans. Chris Shula, who's a great friend of mine, is with the Rams.
Jonathan Cooley. So we just had a really special group of coaches there.
And, you know, I tell people, guys, like coaching at John Carroll is a lot more like coaching in the NFL than most anywhere in college football. I mean, it felt like that was an NFL environment every single day.
And it's a place that's really shaped me. It's a place that's really close to my heart.
And I certainly wouldn't be here without that experience for sure. I feel like you can say that about the entire state of Ohio.
It's like everybody in Ohio is a coach for some sport or another. What's it about that state that growing up there just produces all sorts of coaches? Well, I think specifically, you know, I'm from Northeast Ohio, you know, the Cleveland area right along Lake Erie.
So Northeast Ohio, you know, that's just football is king there. And I think that, you know, I was fortunate.
One of my high school coaches, Bob Ridley, he played at Michigan for Bo Schembechler. And so I had a really, you know, formative high school experience playing for a high school legend.
You know, he's in the Hall of Fame there. And so I learned a lot of good football at a young age.
And I just think that that area just has expressed itself at all levels of football. And I think, you know, guys that I coached at John Carroll now are high school coaches, you know, back in, you know, the state of Ohio in Cleveland.
You know, one of my former players, Marty Gibbons, he actually announced the Browns second round pick at the draft. Uh, Gibby, I mean, he's a captain.
He's a safety for me. I was kind of bummed out.
I wanted him to, you know, announce the Chargers pick, not the Browns pick. So, um, you know, just, it's one of those special places where football is King.
And, um, you know, I was fortunate to grow up there. What do you do in interviews that make it that people just have to hire you because you now you you know you were kind of a um hire from sean mcveigh that people didn't expect when you went and were the defensive coordinator for the rams last year then this year you get hired by the chargers everyone's thinking justin herbert they're going to go offensive guy they got to find you know find a way to to push him to the limit and then they.
So what's your secret? Do you have an Excel or something? What are you doing in closed doors in these interviews? It's impressing everyone. Yeah.
I just think being a complete coach, I think that's something that I've always tried to be is a, you know, a complete coach, a guy who has command all three phases of the game guy who can, you know, lead, teach, you know, inspire, you know, a guy that has command over not just, you know, the football side of things, but, you know, just from like a management perspective, personnel, sports performance, you know, there's so many components to being a head football coach. And I feel like, you know, I've kind of invested my life in sort of knowing that, you know, and I think that it's not just being a defensive coach, you know, I played quarterback in college.
It's, hey, my offensive background is a big reason why I'm here today. And then knowing that the kicking game is one of the most important aspects of winning and losing a football, you know, an NFL football game and how you have to build a team that can stand the test of time.
And how do you put that team together, you know, and then, you know, then how can you teach? How can you motivate? How can you inspire? Do you have the pulse of your team? How do you do that? You got to know that, you know, coaching an offensive lineman in his 12th year is not the same coaching an offensive lineman in his first year. And, you know, I think that what I've tried to be as a complete coach, learn as much as I can about the game, and then also know that I don't know it all, guys.
You know, I don't know it all. And being willing to, you know, try to, you know, surround myself with really special people that can help fill in the gaps.
And, you know, also being a good listener. You know, I think that, you know, a big reason why I'm here is I've been fortunate to coach a lot of special players.
You guys know in Chicago, you know, I was there with Khalil Mack, you know, Akeem Hicks, Kyle Fuller, all these guys, Roquan Smith, Leonard Floyd, all those guys I was with at the beginning of my NFL career, they've helped shape me, you know, to this spot. I learned a lot from Khalil.
I learned a lot from Von Miller. I learned a lot from Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald.
And hopefully, you know, you know, those guys have really helped shape my game and hopefully I've been able to help their game and and I think the other thing guys is we've been we've been really good where I've been you know and and that's what it takes too is you got to produce and um this is a performance league and um you guys mentioned I've been around so many great coaches and players that have helped me get here the answer by the way was the kicking game part any any coach that phases, hired, hired. You forget that.
You forget there's a third phase. Do you call special teams we fence too? Yeah, it certainly is that.
It's where everybody joins up together. That's why it's such a special phase.
I'm in these meetings in the morning now, guys, and it's such a great opportunity to talk to a running back. And like, hey, guys, why is the punt the most challenging play in football? Why is that? Well, I'll tell you why, because it's the only play in football where you start out as an offensive player and then you become a defensive player.
You have to block and be, you know, responsible for all the protection phase from a schematic standpoint. And then you have to go cover the kick and become a defensive player.
So, you know, and the people that take a lot of pride in that and get the right people in the right seats and understanding how you bring people together, you know, I think that there's an art in that. I like that.
Yeah, or if Jameis Winston's your quarterback. Then he's essentially like a special teams player at times too.
Now, that's actually a good thing that you just did, like being so passionate about special teams, because as a first-year head coach, you're going to get a lot of reporters trying to grill you after games. And one of the best ways that you can kind of just get them off your case a little bit is just pick like one guy on like the kick coverage team and talk in minute detail about how he performed his job.
And then all the reporters will be like, this guy's a football genius. We love him.
That's certainly one tactic that could work. I may have to activate that.
Thank you. See, I'm learning something from you guys.
Well, I was going to say, how are you with timeouts? Are you ready for that? Because that, just so you know, as fans, that's the number one thing that we get to complain about because it's the one thing that we can confidently say we're better at than the coaches even though that's not true even that fact isn't true but how are you like how would you grade your own timeout ability right now before the first season of your you know head coaching career well I certainly know how many you get you know and in regulation and then in overtime so that's a good place to start but But I think it, uh, certainly, um, I think the timeout, um, part of the game, there's so many components to who is responsible for that decision. I think it's a team effort, um, and talk, you know, making sure that, Hey, you know how it is on offense sometimes where you may have to take one, you know, late in the play clock, you know, where, where it helps you, you know, to take a timeout or, Hey man, this, this could be a time where, hey, I can be a sounding board for Joe and Justin and say, hey, it's better to take the delay here.
You know, it's better to take the delay and, you know, hey, we'll live with the result of third down or whatever the case may be. And then, you know, guys, I think what you guys are probably understanding, you know, last five to seven years is your analytics team, you know, understanding time score situation.
And it's not just the coaching staff, it's your analytics team helping you as well, and really forming kind of a central command center where you've got open lines of communication. Because these, you know, I think what's difficult, right, is when you're in the moment, man, things are happening fast.
And that isolated moment, you may not be ready, right? But when you have other people that are helping you, you certainly will be more equipped to make a good decision. And I'm hoping that that'll be a strength of our team.
Let me throw one at you real quick. You're down 14, okay? There's four minutes left in the game.
You score a touchdown. You go for two? We're up by 14.
You're down by 14. Oh, we're down by 14.
You score a touchdown. Do you go for two? Four minutes left.
Well, the analytics would tell you to do it. There we go.
All right. I like you.
Because that's really the only analytics thing I understand. So it's the only thing I'll criticize you about if you screw that up.
So just don't screw that one up, okay? That was kind of a pressure-packed moment because i think the one thing that i've learned guys because i think you got to be open about this the one thing i've learned is like hey winning the game in regulation right you know because there's that hey play for a tie or hey we want to win this game in regulation i think there's that movement that i think more people are aware of now and um you know i'm certainly you certainly, you know, sort of one of those people that have learned a lot since I've come to the NFL.

Well, you can always go for two the second time if you miss it the first time. Yes.

That's correct.

That's really high-level thinking.

That's what people don't understand.

That's what we use over here.

The whole math thing, guys.

Yeah, numbers.

Quick pop quiz.

What's 11 personnel?

Oh, wow. That would be – so the first digit tells you how many backs are in the game.
The second one tells you how many tight ends are in the game. You know your stuff.
Yeah, you do know your stuff. I can see – I want to hire you now.
My process of elimination is five eligible receivers. Well, all right, now you're getting too complicated.
Too far, too far, too far. You got to know how to coach the dumb guys, okay? Have you considered to kind of like get yourself in the right mindset to call the timeouts at the right time, just playing a shitload of Madden this offseason, just like forcing yourself to be in those late-game situations? Well, I think gaming is certainly one way of doing it.
You see that a lot in sort of the defense sort of the defense, you know, department, you know, there's sort of those, those simulators, right. They go through.
So I think anything that can give you an advantage, what we're trying to do here is we're trying to create like the situation room here in the springtime where we kind of, you know, isolate, you know, Hey, two minute and a half, right. You know, the clock rules are different two minute end of game.
Well, Hey, let's just look at two minute and a half. Right.
And, you know, what's the context plus three minus three? Are we down? Are we ahead? Are we even? And just going through that a bunch. Right.
And so putting yourself in that in that mode. And I think as many times as you can go through that is a positive thing, because that's how we want our environment to be here.
I think that's what I've tried to create is that, Hey, we're trying to make as many decisions every day as possible so that, Hey, if it doesn't go well, we can learn from them. But if you create an environment where people aren't like forced to operate like that, then when the game happens, you're not going to be ready.
So hopefully it'll express itself in the fall as being, you know, something that works for us. Yeah.
So this, you feel free to get nerdy on this one, football nerdy, but I'm very curious, Vic Fangio, he has been a great defensive coordinator. He's obviously a good coach with the Broncos.
If you read about your rise and how you got linked up with Sean McVay, part of that was the Bears-Rams game in 18 when the Bears were able to shut down the Rams. And Sean looked around and was like, Vic Fangio always gives me the most trouble.
What is it about him as a coach, or what does he do differently that he's been able to have so much success, whether it be 49ers, Bears, Broncos, defense, when it's such an offensive league now? Yeah, Vic's special to me. As you know, we had a great run there in Chicago.
And that night that you're referring to, that was a special night. You know, and our guys came to play that night.
And I think a big reason why is because they were ready to play. We were ready to play.
We had a lot of good players, but those good players were ready to play. And I think that that's a hallmark of Vic Fangio, his preparation, his detail.
I think that, number one, he knows how to utilize his personnel wherever it is. It's been a little bit different wherever he's been.
I know that studying him in San Francisco, one of the guys on my staff is a linebacker who actually played for him, Mike Wilhoite. They were a different team in San Francisco than we were when we were in Chicago.
And know, and then obviously he's gone to Denver and they're different. When I went to the Rams, we were a little different, but you got to utilize your personnel to the fullest.
And then I think the other thing he does is he has a really global view of how to attack an offense. He knows how offenses operate and he knows what can be challenging for them, both from a blocking standpoint and then from a coverage standpoint, like what an offense has to block and then what an offense has to see in a coverage system.
You know, and I think that we blend a lot of groupings, a lot of different fronts, a lot of different coverage systems, make these quarterbacks have to operate post-snap where they're having to make decisions post-snap. It's a little bit blurry.
They're not quite sure. This isn't a black and white team that I'm playing against.
This is a team that's all the way in the gray. And that's how we want to play.
We want to play in the gray area. I think Vic does a great job of that.
And the thing about him is his consistency and performance. He stood the test of time in the NFL for 30 years.
And that's what makes him such a special guy. Yeah.
I have to imagine that part of your interview process in that division was talking about how are you going to be the Mahomes stopper? How are you going to be able to shut this guy down? You have to play him so many times. For a piece of advice, make him roll to his left, right? Make him roll to his left.
That's what every dumb person on TV says. So that's kind of what we repeat.
Yeah. Make him uncomfortable with a four-man rush.
Yeah, rushing. Yeah, rushing.
Get a good pass rush. Yeah, get home.
Get home with two. That's actually even better.
Yeah. So what did you say in the interview to kind of – I don't know if you were able to dive into details or what have you, but you probably had to have a plan in place for how you were going to slow down, you know, one of the highest powered offenses that's ever been seen in the NFL.
Yeah, you know, that was certainly a component of it. And I think that, you know, the division I just came from, you know, you got to play Russell Wilson three times in a year.
You know, you're well aware of him and he's like a magician and they've got that similar playmaking creativity. The down is never over.
You know, he's, you know, he's a champion, you know, Russell, and then, you know, obviously, you know, Kyler Murray, you're in the division with him and, and then the Niners. So I think that, you know, kind of what I said was, you know, people were saying the same thing when we were in Chicago with Aaron Rogers, Stafford and Kirk cousins, you know, back then when I was there with you guys in that city, you know, it was the same thing.
It's the NFL. It's a tough league.
It's a really competitive league. And what I told him in the interview is that it's not going to be a one-man band.
It's not just the defense that's going to be able to help us beat that guy. It's got to be a full team that helps you beat that guy.
The reality is Pat Mahomes has only been held under 24 points like three times in his entire career so the reality is you better be able to score to beat them you know and so it's going to take a team performance to beat a guy like that you take a look at what steph curry's doing in the nba you know what like steph curry's a tough guy to play against man you know it's it's you know you got to have a team you know to beat that guy not just side of the ball. So that was a big part of me talking about, you know, those guys, it's just, you know, it's going to take all three phases of the game and, you know, we're going to have to be strategic and specific because we have to play them twice a year, possibly three, right? In the playoffs.
So, you know, it's going to be a, it's going to be an exciting challenge for us. You mentioned Russell Wilson right there.
Settle a bet because this is a theory I had last year. I think you brought in Blake Bortles to be a scout team, Russell Wilson, ahead of the playoff game.
Is that true? We brought Blake in, and we also had this other guy named Bryce Perkins, who's a really good quarterback at Virginia. We had those two guys working for us.
um you know we had a uh we had we had all hands on deck it's no one's ever gonna truly represent those guys uh but uh you know I think those guys did a good job what so last year going back to last year and how good that Rams defense was uh one of the hallmarks that you guys had was just how good you were in the second half you guys just shut teams down in the the second half. What does the halftime look like? Are you able to implement that many changes in a halftime situation and change – this is a really stupid question.
But I'm always thinking like if you go in and you change a bunch of stuff but they also change a bunch of stuff, how the fuck are you going to be able to keep ahead of their changes? So explain that to me like I'm a five-year-old. You make like a really good point there.
And so because that's a true statement, what you just said. So I think what we do is I think we have enough inventory in our plan that we can get to in the second half.
Maybe it hasn't shown itself in the first half, but we can get to it in the second half where it's not something new that we created. It's something new that we've practiced, that we're, that we're prepared for that we can activate that maybe they haven't seen, or maybe there's something that happened in the first half where, Hey, they're hurting us doing something.
Maybe it's just, Hey, we've talked through it more and we're just a little bit more certain about how to play it. And, and then I think that the thing that I've tried to do when we go in is get the feedback from the guys, what they're comfortable with.
And when you have strong relationships, you can talk through things quickly. Because what people don't understand, guys, when you go in there, it's not like you have all this time to like, you know, big time powwow.
And like, hey, you know, fellas, like, let's get a coffee, sit down, like have a seat. We're nice and neat.
Okay. It doesn't really work like that.
You have to move quickly. So I think the thing about adjustments guys is that it really reflects the command your coaches and players have with the plan, you know, and, and, and, and, and the, and the trust and relationships that you have, um, because that's what adjustments are about to me.
Yeah. Yeah.
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Now, here's more Coach Staley. Have you thought about bringing Boltman back? Yeah.
Do you know who Boltman is? I would be lying if I said that. All right.
So you've probably given it no thought then because we can educate you real quick. Boltman was the unofficial mascot, the super fan of the San Diego Chargers.
He was just a guy that had a giant lightning bolt for a head. No, that's not just what he was.
He was immersed. It was like an immersive experience for him where he became a bolt of lightning wearing shoulder pads yes um very unfortunately he he is uh abandoned he's retired he's retired himself but i feel like it would be good for the franchise for the morale of the franchise as it's kind of establishing a home there in los angeles if you brought boltman back or at least extended an olive branch to him and and him to the team facility.
Yeah. It's pretty much what's your super fan outreach program look like.
Yeah. I think the Bolt is such a linked like sort of symbol like that thing, I think, has got a lot of weight in terms of, you know, I really think that there's power in that.
And you mentioned a key word, which is so crucial to football success, which morale you can never have enough of it so however we can increase our morale i mean i'm talking in the most i mean the littlest way possible we're looking to add that edge so uh the mascot could be a huge deal yeah bolt man if you're listening this is now is the time to strike yeah and i i don't want i listen i'm not trying to tell you what to do he's not a mascot he's super fan big difference okay that's for sure yeah he yeah there's a difference yeah i mean he showed up to city hall and uh tried to keep the team in san diego one of the greatest pictures of all time in full bolt man regalia and also mascots get paid yeah super fans do it for the love of the game right right volunteer spirit is much different than a mercenary. Yes, exactly, exactly.
Have you thought, one of my favorite things that happens every year, we haven't had it because of COVID in the last two years, but every year when the NFL coaches go to the owner's meeting and they take a picture looking into the sun and I break it down, have you thought about that picture yet? Because I'm sure you've seen the picture. Have you thought about where you, like Cause I can give you some tips.
Like guys will squeeze you out. There's weird spots that you'd be, whether you wear sunglasses or not.
Have you thought about that? I'm aware of that. Sort of give you a preview of what could be happening in the draft room.
You know, I went with competitive casual attire. Wait, what is that? I love it.
Didn't want to go with the banker attire, so we went competitive casual. Explain competitive casual.
Break down competitive casual. A football coach made up.
I don't think that that's an actual style. To wear sweatpants.
It's actually in the lexicon of game day attire. But just essentially like, hey, we're a coach.
I want to be able to like, look back on their moment. And it's like, Hey, that was their coach calling.

I'm not some guy that looks like, you know, he runs a hedge fund. So, um, you know, and then

from the picture standpoint at the owner's meetings, you know, it's in Arizona from what

I understand, like that's where it's been, which from what I understand, Arizona is a very hot

place. I don't know if you're going to be seeing like a blazer and, you know, khakis.
Topless. You want to go topless? That's McVeigh.
Tits out for the boys. I don't.
Yeah, no, I just think it would be a, you know, my attire will be, you know, indicative of the climate and then my beautiful bride. Okay, so don't go Hawaiian shirt.
That's all I'm going to say because that's Andy Reid's corner. If you go there, I will absolutely roast you.
That's the opposite of being original. Okay.
All right, good, good, good. All right, another nerdy question for you.
So, you know, looking at, you know, you talked about it, Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey. Let's say Aaron Donald, what does it do for you as a defensive

coach when you have a guy like that? Are you truly able to be like, all right, I don't even have to worry. Like he's going to beat whoever's in front of him and everything else like is built off of that.
Or is that something we make up in our own head? For the fans, like, you know, when you have a player of his caliber, Khalil, Vaughn, you know, Ramsey, whomever, when you have players of those players caliber, it's a really sacred responsibility to get to coach them. So you know the amount of attention every single week that's in the plan for that player.
So what we spend a lot of time organizing is how we can isolate this guy in matchups. Spent a lot of time organizing it where as many times as we can, he's playing one, one and a half guys, not two.
Right. And so the amount of time that we spend thinking about that, both in the run game and in pass rush, you know, we spent a lot of time on that because he's going to play well, regardless, like you guys are saying, but it's how well, you know, what we want to do is we want those premium players to play their best for us.
You know, and I feel like that's something that we've been able to do with guys like that. You know, Khalil, AD, you know, AD was defensive player of the year.
Khalil, I think, you know, the year we were together, guys, in 18, probably would have been the player of the year. He had not missed those two games.
And then Ramsey was first team all pro last year and had his best year. So when you join up with those guys, a lot of it is collaborating with those guys.
Hey, this is where we're trying to go with you. Can you see it? Do you like that? Are you comfortable with that? And so giving them that thought process so, so that they can go full speed ahead and do what they do, but knowing, Hey man, these guys have a plan for me.
They're not just like telling me to go out there and wing it and go ball. Like these guys really are trying to help my game out.
So I feel like that's what we's what we've done and the players like that you know it makes sense to them right away how you're trying to use them because they know where the production is in this league and when they get those ops and so that's what we've tried to do with those guys that's an interesting answer because it kind of is the opposite of what we as fans always think like oh you can just let Aaron Donald donald go out there and ball you're you're saying

essentially like we we are actively trying to always get him into matchups where he can ball to that extra level even though he's that good you you are you are like like let's get you on these one-on-ones constantly so that you will always get home that's interesting and then the other thing i think you know the other thing that we opened up those guys eyes is like hey listen And what Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey did for the other guys,

the other nine guys think, you know, the other thing that we opened up those guys' eyes is like, hey, listen, what Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey did for the other guys, the other nine guys on the field. Like if you look at the Rams this year, everybody was playing at a high level.
You guys know Leonard Floyd. I mean, just signed a huge deal.
John Johnson, right? Morgan Fox, guys that people haven't even heard of, undrafted guys, Darius Williams, Troy Hill, you know, Micah Kaiser, Troy Reeder, you know, we had a lot of guys playing rookies, you know, and so, hey, Aaron, Jalen, you can also open up all these ops for other people because ultimately we want to play team defense, right? We want to play team ball and to be the very best, which we were this year, it's got to take everybody. It's not just AD, right?

And when we were in Chicago, it wasn't just Khalil.

It was all those guys, right?

You know, it was Kyle, Raquan, Leonard, you know, Eddie.

I mean, it was all those guys balling.

So that's what you're trying to do when you're coaching the guys like that.

What about on the other side of it?

Is there a player in the NFL?

Like we always hear defensive coordinators be like,

this guy keeps me up at night.

Have you actually ever been kept up at night thinking about an opponent's defensive player? A defensive player or an offensive player? Let's say defensive player. Cause that's what you always hear about.
Like this guy keeps me up and I trying to figure out how to manage them. Yeah.
I mean, there, there are, I mean, and, and that game within the game is real fellas. I mean, just talk to like, you know, like what's been awesome here being the head coach, you're in these meetings with Corey Lindsley and Brian Balaga and Odey Abushi, Matt Filer, these guys that had to block all these like really good players, you know? And, and so you get this other, this rich perspective.
Right. And so, yeah, there's definitely a bunch of guys that you can say, I like, I I'm a little careful about just, you know, throwing out one name because then it's like, man, there's just so many other guys.
You're good. Yeah.
But I think that what makes it special for the fans is you know who those premium players are, and that's why they get paid so much, and that's why people want to watch them. Yeah.
Good answer. That was smart.
Good answer. You're smart.
Yeah. You're smart.
You could have gassed one guy up, but at what cost? Yeah, man, I don't want to do that because there's too many guys I got respect for. That's such a delicate place to be.
I think that you're instantly one of the bigger football guys in the NFL as far as head coaches go. Just the fact that you dropped competitive casual.
You've said the word opportunity several times. Ops.
I like that. I feel like we're going in a good direction here in L you came from obviously like uh you can call it like a mini cradle of coaches sean mcveigh's staff it seems like somebody gets hired from there like every other year um does he ever wear a shirt or is that just on game day is that competitive casual for him to just like hang out shirtless yeah everyone's giving sean a good uh tough time man the time, man.
The guy's in shape, man. He works out, you know, the guy.
So, I mean, shoot. But, yeah, I mean, like besides being an amazing coach, I do think he has a fresh sense of what to wear and how to wear it.
So I think that's always been a winning edge of his. We like to make fun of Sean because we know him a little bit.
We've had him on a couple times. We've, you know, run few times at the combine and he did say like why you guys give me a hard time about my facial hair all the time so once he said that it was like well that was a mistake sean because now we're gonna do it all the time oh we're coming yeah right you just gave us the playbook i'm sorry uh i think it's more like he saw how bad my facial hair was and he's like that's true he's like this is the guy that's been making fun of my facial hair the whole time? Yes, that is true.
I was like, yeah, and I'm 5'10". I saw a quote that you had when you first met Justin Herbert.
You said he's one of the guys. I think that's the best compliment you can give a QB.
I love that. So have you talked to him about his hair, though? Is he going to grow it out, or is he going to keep it high and tight? Because we've come across a little bit of a theory that no long-haired quarterback has ever won a Super Bowl.
So you might want to just get in front of that right away. I don't know.
Tom Brady's got pretty long. He's gone long.
Not when he won. That was when he was 17-0 or 19-0 or whatever, or 18-1.
You're talking about actually at the game. At the game.
Kenny Stable is pretty much the only one. Yeah, that's separate.
Well, do you want to go to the game or do you want to win it? Coach, I mean, we all know the answer to that. Yeah, they're going to call me coach.
What I told this guy is that your hair is a tremendous asset, okay? And the fact that you can do either does make you special because all great actors change their look.

Yeah. All great actors change their look.
So I was like the fact that you, you know, you have the hair and then you know that you can go the other way, too.

I was like, hey, it's a great advantage. I think I think I think you're aware now of how people feel about it.

I do think he is aware of how people feel about it.

But the good thing that is refreshing about him is that he does not take himself too seriously. So I think that when I said he's one of the guys, I think that's also an element.
Hey, you got to be able to take it sometimes and just, you know, just put that smile on, shake your head and be like, yep, yeah, you know, we'll keep it moving. I like that.
You can always take away hair if you want, but you can never just like straight up add it on. But on the other hand, you can get tackled by your long hair, and it's completely legal.
So it's kind of an advantage for the defense. That's a fact.
Yeah. I'm curious how you got into coaching defense to begin with, because as we mentioned earlier, you were quarterback at Dayton.
You came from an offensive background. I looked up some of your stats.
You were a dual threat guy. you were pretty quick out there uh so how did you decide that you were going to end up on the defensive side of the ball the coach who hired me uh into football a guy named Joe Novak he's the guy who kind of built Northern Illinois University um he was the guy kind of at the beginning of that and uh Coach Novak is a huge mentor for me he really liked he's a Northeast Ohio guy as well, but he liked the fact of taking a quarterback, you know, to coach the defensive scout team.
You're used to being in the huddle, you know, and taking that lens and being able to kind of operate the huddle that way. And so he kind of had that vision for how he wanted, you know, the defensive GA to be as a guy that, hey, can make this clean operation so that we can run more plays, you know, and then he felt like, hey, a quarterback is usually responsible for 22 guys on the field.
It could be a really easy adjustment going to the other side. You got this perspective.
And so, you know, I just said, yes, sir, and got to work. But he's a guy that sort of had that vision for me and gave me that first opportunity and just never back from it uh dumb question do you get to decide what colors you wear uh every single sunday i think i'm a part of that movie yeah okay i'm part of the production of that movie so all right so then the follow-up is uh what's our strategy for the powder blues are we doing it only in special occasions are we doing it maybe getting on a run uh they're the i think most people would agree probably the best uniforms in in all sports you guys just had new uniforms released but that is going to be a very interesting thing probably the most challenging thing you'll have to tackle as a head coach when do you bring out the powder blues and how long do you keep them out well just really excited to have the powder blues because it's you know the brand right is a big deal um and our team has certainly killed that aspect of it um as you guys know our digital media team is awesome here too um so i think having relationships with our guys is also very important um you know what where are they comfortable i think you know variety is the spice of life i do think that we have that variety but you always want to have that staple all right got to have it sort of uni and uh i'm glad to say that the powder blues are a big part of it it's an opportunity having the powder blues is a massive opportunity that you got in your pocket other teams don't have yeah so you got to take advantage of it what about what about your personal game day attire i'm guessing it's probably competitive casual but do you have have you figured out where you're keeping the challenge flag because now that's a very it's an important item that you have to be a steward of almost and you don't as as a first time head coach like you have to have that stuff thought through like front pocket back pocket etc that's right probably back pocket guys um not going to be the sock for sure um it'll probably be back pocket because you you have the you know the the walkie talkie thing that you want to have in the front and then so probably back pocket so hey man yeah smart uh all right since we're at the stupid portion of this interview um i'm trying to get better as a gambler i'm not going to to ask you any questions about point spreads or anything, but I am going to ask you, do you own anything that could smash a watermelon or do you ever plan on smashing a watermelon before a game? The second part of that question, no, can't see that.
Okay, all right, that's actually all I need. That's all I need because Mike McCarthy did that to me twice last year.
He smashed a watermelon of his team, and they won both the games, and I bet against them not knowing that. So I'm just doing kind of a straw poll.
Anytime we get in touch with a head coach, I'm just going to have a sheet that's like, hey, this guy's going to smash a watermelon, never going to smash a watermelon. I'm going to put you in never smash a watermelon.
I think that's safe to say. Okay.
And if you do, I'm going to be really mad. I'll be totally honest with you.
If i find out you smashed a watermelon before a game i'm gonna be pissed i'm gonna be really pissed what you got to do at this point now is after a big win where you cover a spread you have to just say that you smashed water after just just to mess with big cat like it would be it would honestly make my year it would it would melt me it would melt me i i will tell you there's nothing better than watching you guys at the end of the game when something's on the line these videos i mean you know just i mean the the amount of emotion i feel like i'm there i mean i truly feel like i'm there and you guys are crushing it as it relates to that i appreciate that and i guess that's march madness in particular yeah just that Just that's such a key. I mean, yeah.
All right. That's a perfect segue to my last question.
Cause I have to ask it. Cause if I don't ask it, everyone's going to be like, why didn't you ask this? Obviously you're on the sideline for, uh, Cody Parkey.
Uh, what was that like afterwards? Oh gosh, man. It sucked for me.
Uh, the hardest part is i think looking at a guy like khalil mack in the face um and you know like we felt like we had certainly the defense that could go on you know a run i mean and i think the toughest thing is seeing those competitors you know the the guys like him you know that uh man just that heartbreak that that's a part of sports, right? It's just that's, you know, the, the, the guys like him, you know, that, uh, man, just that heartbreak that that's a part of sports, right. It's just, that's, you know, that's what we sign up for is sometimes it doesn't go down for you.
So I think that's the moment that stands out to me, the most fellows, because I remember when it went down, just looking at him and, uh, man, what a great run, but it's like for him, you just, you, you wanted it so bad, you this year you guys saw probably Aaron Donald after we lost to Green Bay. You just you guys don't realize how much it means to these guys.
And, you know, I think that's probably what I remember the most. But at the same time, you go in the locker room, guys, and that's the bittersweet part for fans is when you go in there in the locker room, then you're it's that bittersweet part of it knowing that hey we had a special run and

you're it's that bittersweet part of it knowing that hey we had a special run and um you're really proud of everything that happened yeah yeah that's a good answer yeah you don't want to feel like you let a guy like that down definitely uh my last question just do you get recognized in los angeles are you are you a star now i mean guys when i say little bit. Like, I might as well be – I mean, there's probably a lot of, you know, analogies or metaphors I could use, but no.
The answer is no, and that's – you know, I'm excited about that. Okay, so – all right, so we're going to just throw a challenge to our listeners.
If you do see Coach Staley out there, just go up to him and be like, love you on PMT, so that we can get you recognized for that at least that's fair right could be i'll give you some feedback uh okay on that aspect of it i seriously will me and josh will get back to you on that perfect i love it because that that's always our that's like the highest compliment we ever get is when a guest is like yeah i get stopped and people like mention pmt and that we're like that's's perfect. That's our best marketing out there.
No doubt. It's like the it's like the pizza review deal.
Like, yeah, I mean, I mean, like I actually one of my relatives down in South Florida was just watching this guy and like went to that pizza shop. Yeah.
Right. It's unbelievable what you guys are doing for people.
It's awesome. Yeah.
Get you noticed. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know if that's the same thing i don't know if we want no it is get coach noticed you're gonna you're gonna regret saying this because now people actually people just go up to like any white guy with short dark hair wearing charges that's right charges gonna be like are you coach lucky on pmt that see that would be the greater question is how many they get wrong Yes.
Like that, that would be the more interesting data. Yes.

All right.

Well, coach, this has been awesome. Best of luck.
And you're a recurring guest now, so we look forward to maybe talking to you in the future. And thanks so much for your time.
Good luck. Big fans, guys.
Thanks so much for having me. Hockey is on.
And no matter the city, no matter the city no matter the team no matter the game whether it's face-off or penalty shots regular season or playoffs win or lose no matter what happens no matter where it happens New Amsterdam Vodka is there Alright, breaking moves As we're recording this this guy on Twitter, no Garrett Savage just tweeted me saying Matt Nagy totally farted on the herd and and he has video. So let's play it.
And you two are obviously the premier fart on air. We're experts.
Fart-rensic analysis. So here we go.
I'm nervous. Psychologically, you get into a season, you're 4-4, and you're thinking to yourself, I'm in a battle here.
I don't know. Inconclusive.
Inconclusive? Inconclusive. I didn't even hear it.

You've got to send me the clip.

We'll pump it in.

We'll have to check.

We'll have to send it to Law & Order.

Ask for you.

Damn.

Not as conclusive as PFT's.

No.

Shut up, Hank.

I'd agree.

Shut up.

I'd agree.

On a scale of not fart to PFT, that's a...

PFT's wet.

No fart.

Diary of fart.

No fart.

I got dry farts, bro.

Oh, man.

All right.

Hank, your Firefest of the week.

And we're ripping packs, by the way.

Oh, by the way.

I'm going firey fart. No fart.
I got dry farts, bro. Oh, man.
All right. Hank, your FireFest of the week.
And we're ripping packs, by the way. Oh, by the way.
Yeah, I've been looking at this all day. Can I rip mine first? Yeah, yeah.
So, obviously, the football guy term that we're going to be going now with is, what was it? Competitive casual. Competitive casual, which is when you...
And I was talking to a friend of ours who used to play for a team that Coach Staley coached on. It's pretty easy to figure out.
I'm lost. Yeah, who it is? He says he's a huge jumpsuit guy.
So that's competitive casual. Yeah, competitive casual at all times.
I just love the term competitive casual. Yeah.
Because it implies that you're dressed... You could go to work, but you could also get into a fight with somebody on the street yeah it's like given it's like hardcore leisure yeah hardcore it's uh it's khakis but they've got two folds in them from carrying your tins of chew around yeah i don't even know i think you might not even have to do it khakis i think it might just be the type of uh it might be sweatpants with a zipper on it uh that might be competitive Joggers with a holster on the side.
Yeah, or like the joggers that are like... You know at the bottom, they have the rubber band that actually makes it so it doesn't just flop everywhere.
That's competitive casual. That's all you need.
Yeah. Bulletproof romp hims.
Yes, there we go. It's a romp him, but it's got the plate carrier in the front.
Competitive casual. All right.
You're ripping? Are we? Are we ripping packs? I'm ripping. I've gotten all trash before.
I've got an RJ Barrett, a red one. Alright, so we're looking for a signature.
There's one signature in this pack. Ooh, CJ McCollum.
Ooh, nice. Ricky Rubio.
Tyrell Terry. Cam Reddish.
One here in Angledis. This is great.
This is great. Tareem Prince.
Oh, I got Big Cat's favorite player on the sweet red card. Chris Paul.
Ooh, nice. Chris Paul, number 93.
We don't respect him enough. Oh, Hank, I got a fearless Kevin Garnett.
Timberwolves. I got a downtown Kimba Walker.
Cam Johnson, Rudy Gay. Rudy Gay still in the league? Wow.
I got our boy, RJ Hampton. Nice.
Ooh. I got an Allen Iverson.
Wait, you guys aren't going to believe this. No.
I got Mello. This is wild.
You got LaMelo? Carmelo. Oh, that is wild.
And he went to Syracuse. And he went to Syracuse.
Shake Milton, 131. All right, that was terrible radio.
But yeah, my firefights. I still have another pack.
I broke my my foot playing ping pong and I don't know if I'm ever going to be 100% pretty much broken foot it's drobbing right now I'm sitting here I've been you know trying not to make noises and whimper but I can feel it I don't know if I'm going to be able to take my foot off because it's so swollen you think it's Jones fracture yeah I'm going to have to go to the doctor tomorrow I think think. Maybe even the ER.
Wait, this is the signed one. What is it? Hell yeah.
Dude, case that thing. I got a Seth Curry prism.
I think they're all prisons. Patrick Beverly.
He's good. Oh, Blake.
Pistons. Let's go.
Let's put this up somewhere. We'll put this right here.
Tyler Bay, rookie card. Blake Griffin, Pistons, ever heard of him? One of our best friends.
Genus. I got Genus at Anto...
Nah, trash, trash, trash, trash. Oh, Big Cat.
Can you please stop doing this? No, this will make it all worthwhile. Big Cat, we don't say this enough, but I love you.
And as a present for being here today, I have a Lou Dort card for you. Oh, fuck yes.
That's the nicest thing anyone's given to me. Thank you, PFT.
You're welcome. Wow.
Big Cat gave me a deli earlier today. I did give you and a Caruso.
And a Caruso. I was just giving, and a J.J.
Burea. I was just handing PFT all the white guys.

I got a Kevin Herter for you.

We were in a meeting with the guy from Golden... Was it Golden Auctions?

Yeah.

And he was probably very confused because Big Cat was just literally handing me white players.

He's like, here you go, PFT.

You'll love this guy.

All right.

What was your fire fest?

Oh, you broke your foot.

I broke my foot.

Yeah, you broke your foot.

Pretty much. I think fully.
Have you tried drinking smart water? No. Or the Russell Wilson concussion water? I think I'm going to keep my shoe on tied really tight.
That's all you got to do. Honestly, if you never take your shoe off, you will not have a sprained ankle.
I definitely learned that from playing basketball. You guys got to ask him how he broke his foot.
How did you break your foot? Because it wasn't from the ping pong. Wait, first of all, will you ever be 100% again? I don't think so.
Okay. And how did you break your foot? I kicked a cooler.
And why? You know how it goes. I was just, you know.
Who were you playing? It doesn't matter. That's irrelevant to the story.
It has nothing to do with my fire fresh. My fire fresh just felt my foot.
Were you excited? And you were happy? Something like that. Yeah worked up.
Uh-huh. Yeah, you sure were.
I won't say the guy's name, but this injury, like kicking a cooler and hurting your foot is a very somebody type of injury to have happen to them. Yeah.
We got two names we don't say right now. So you decide, listeners.
Well, it's pretty obvious because... I actually am confused myself, so I don't know how obvious it is.
Well, it could be... There's a nerd and a jock version of two names we're not seeing.
Ah, got it. Voldemort.
And both could kick course. The reason I'm here.
Correct. That's true.
Yeah. Well, and yeah, both ways.
The reason why we love you and the reason why you're here. This is now the worst.
We've just ripped cards and then just... That's a good point.
Inside jokes. Inside jokes that we don't even understand inside this room right now.
You know what this is? So this is actually great advertisement for the YouTube channel. Yeah.
Hearing us open packs of cards sucks ass.

And I'm sorry that you had to sit through that.

But you know what kicks ass is watching somebody else open packs. So someone hit me up on Twitter and said that we gained 4,000 followers on after we talked about the YouTube channel on Tuesday.

And if at that pace we would hit 500,000 by July 13th.

I don't think we'll hit that pace because that's a lot of people every single

day,

but the listeners don't have it in them.

Yeah,

they don't have it in them.

We're not going to hit 500,000.

We're not going to be able to do the live stream.

They're listeners.

They're not watching.

It's too bad.

August 15th,

500,000 by August 15th.

We will start doing different content that we can put up on the YouTube.

That won't be part of this podcast.

So you might as well subscribe. We'll hold up.
How much does it cost? It costs $5. To Colin Cowherd.
It doesn't cost anything? It's free. It costs.
It's free. It's free.
Why wouldn't we want to get money from this? Because then on the YouTube channel, we can sell dick swipes. Got it.
Okay. So it costs $0.
Get that dick swipe bag. It costs $0.
Alright, PFT, your Fyre Fest. My Fyre Fest of the week is, well, I've got two.
I'll just say, I'll get in front of it. I...
Where did that come out of? That was just unnecessary, Hank. I was telling you! I hope you have to get your foot amputated.

Oh, shit.

Yeah, I hope it's real bad.

I hope it gets infected like Jack Daniels when he kicked his safe and he died afterwards.

I hope you die, Hank.

Now steal all your cards.

And your dog.

Hank, I also hope you die.

Okay.

This has gone too far.

Yeah.

Well, you didn't let me finish.

You're going to get put on the die list. But it's not you.
It's Andrew Siciliano. hope you die okay this has gone too far yeah well you didn't let me finish i was gonna say

but it's not you it's andrew siciliano i'm not even gonna argue because i know how this goes every time that honestly that five six comment was more applicable to siciliano but also is it was choogy as hell oh i got chug vibes no i think i was that wasn't trying too hard at all that was was chill. It was very chill.
People are genuinely confused when they see me and I'm not 5'6". Because you're 5'5"? Yeah.
I thought you'd be taller. What's your fire fest? I'm starting to get Team of Destiny vibes from the Washington Capitals.
Oh. Because Cap's back.
That was a championship DVD starting game last night. It was.
Championship DVD would start with, and the puck is dropped, and everyone's fighting. Everybody was in the box last night.
It was like a sick bar that you're now allowed to go back to in New York. It was awesome being at that game, watching the guys just enjoy fighting other people.
It got me going, and then TJ Oshie scored a hat trick on the day day that his dad passed away i don't know if i've ever told this story i i definitely haven't said it on the podcast but the night that they won the stanley cup it was the night that like tj what he was like on the ice with his dad and he gave that quote about like my dad doesn't really remember anything anymore but i i know that he's going to remember this because it was like a magical moment he woke up the next morning remembering it. But he got on the same elevator I was in in one of the casinos.
TJ Oshie? TJ Oshie did. Nice.
And right after the cup, he was like, he had like tears coming out of his eyes. He was crying, but he had like the biggest smile on his face at the exact same time.
And I just thought to myself like that, that is a drug that will never be replicated. like if you're just experiencing all your emotions at once yes so i've i've loved the guy ever since and loved him before that but captain america captain america i'm starting to get team of destiny vibes okay and caps back put a little tickler file on it i like it i like the call dan orlovsky dropped the hottest cap of the year on us yeah that's got to be the end of that well once once you got cool guys like dan orlovsky and dave portnoy getting i was about to say on the Dave's talking about it on us.
Yeah, that's got to be the end of that. Well, once you've got cool guys like Dan Orlovsky and Dave Portnoy getting on the cap train.
Dave's talking about it on BFFs. Yeah.
We're back, baby. At least you were like a week early.
I was like a month early at least. And now I've got to start thinking about another phrase.
I'm thinking, now that's paper. I tried to bring back, now that's paper a while ago, but I feel like the time's right.

You go with bet.

I like bet too soon, though, dude.

When someone says, like, oh, I'll meet you there.

Bet, bet.

Lickety split.

I like that.

I like bet.

Bet, okay.

Bet always sounds cool when someone says that, like, oh, yeah, let's meet at 1 o'clock, like bet.

I'll try to work one bet and one Now That's Paper into next week's podcast, and we'll see which one sounds worse, and then I'll go with that one.

What about On Dogs?

Oh, On Dogs?

on the one bet and one now that's paper into next week's podcast and we'll see which one sounds worse and then I'll go with that one. What about on dogs? Oh, on dogs? On dogs.
What are you talking about? What's the one I'm going to start doing? What did you guys tell me I had to start doing? Big Ops? Yeah, what about one love? No, I think on dogs. On dogs would play.
It's like for real. On dogs.
On dead dogs. Shut the fuck up.
On dogs. I don't like where this podcast is going.
It's a good phrase, on dogs. Damn.
All right, my Fyre Fest is, I now am like laughing at like the dad humor. Did you see that guy went viral for his press conference? It's kind of actually like Joey Molinaro's, which are always funny videos, but talking about like a press conference after dealing with his kid all day and i thought it was the funniest thing ever what do you say well he especially when he's like yeah you know we we went with a snack 30 minutes before dinner and then all he had was three bites so that's on me and i was like yep been there done that i always try to go chips hard so you're and then someone asked like is that talking about you or or your son i was like dude do you think that I've ever had a snack slow down my dinner you're fully into dad life now yeah I mean it's okay we gotta get you on those commercials where you go to the hardware store with the dad coach I'm ready for it except no fuck that have you had any reflection on your snow day I saw there was a lot of confusion over those no because I don't I loved snow days as a.
I was giving a zag. I said it beforehand.
I was giving a zag. I was giving an alternate counterpoint for discussion.
You were playing devil's advocate. And it was distilled into this, I hate Snow Days.
And then whatever. What can you do? I'm sorry you hate Snow Days.
Once it takes course, there's nothing you can do. Yeah.
The cat's out of the bag. Yeah.
What are you going to do? And then Billy then billy came oh i can't say his name no he he valiantly came out to work working less and i couldn't believe it uh i've noticed off brand i've noticed that billy is going out of it i just said it again don't say i've noticed he's going out of his way to let us know that correct correct now listening to the show he's he's definitely looking for extra credit extra credit given there it is Boom. Liam, do you have a firefest before jake does his then we wrap up uh i actually do i threw up yesterday morning and uh are you pregnant no just from like sinuses or something i don't know it was like it wasn't even like a food throw up it was just like i woke up yesterday morning and just like immediately was like i feel like i have to throw up dude are allergies really bad right now allergies are back big time okay because i actually mine are much worse in florida than here i had i sneezed like four times in like three consecutive days and i thought i had allergies then i remember i'm just an alpha i always have zotech on me if you need it's always no i said fuck no to it and now i'm cured all right but it felt like allergies what it would feel like it's bad though the pollen's out there i think it's just always good to have something in your back pocket that you can blame anything that goes wrong on well that's why i lie and i say that i have allergies because if there's anything that's like that's remotely wrong with my day it's the pollen right that's how the whole office got coronavirus that time you came in and said i came in and it was just because i had been next i stood next to a tree for two minutes and the the next thing you know, everybody was dead.
All right, Jake. Yeah.
I was about three inches away from getting my head cracked open today. In the Soul Streams room.
The rock, paper, scissors table. But you didn't.
Yeah, but the thought of it was scary. And it's enough for a fire fest.
So now you're thinking like this whole time, what if I'm actually dead right now? I could be in the ER. I was going to borrow time.
Yeah. You're going to start appreciating life more? Yeah.
It's like in Fight Club. Your next meal will taste better.
Did you watch Fight Club last night? I went to the Rangers Capitals game. That's true.
You did. The table shattered, and it was very close.
Whoa. I'm okay.
You've got a pretty much broken skull. Yeah.
You could be dead. Oh, Zyrtec commercial.
What are the odds? How many times have you watched it back and been like, damn, I almost died there. Damn, look.
A few. Look how close I came to dying.
A few. All right.
That is our show. Also, quick shout out.
Our good friend Sam Schwartzstein works with Rachel, who's a big AWL who's going through chemo and is just working her ass off still, too. So she gets a shout out.
Shout out, Rachel. Shout out, Rachel.
Fuck cancer up. Everything.
Yeah. And also, maybe don't have to work all the time.
I'm just going to give you. I'm going to give you a day off.
OK. Boom.
Rachel, you get a day off. There it was.
Alright, numbers.

42. 8.
Jackie Robinson. 18.

Wait. I'm going with 23.
81.

Hernandez.

Oh.

What was that? I can't see it.

47. 47.

We've had that before.

Okay. Not our first time.
Chris C see it. Show yourself, coward.
Fuck. We've had that before.
Okay.

Not our first time.

Chris Cooley.

See everyone on Monday.

Fourth.

Mountains are blue.

Parrots will selflessly help each other out.

Love you guys.

Great fact.

Actually, oh, by the way, Jake, I want you to start giving us big J facts.

Like facts about journalism.

Journalists.

And journalists.

Okay.

Yeah, that'd be good.

Plus the animal or just snow? Have one of each ready. Yeah.
You got it. Dealer's Okay.
Yeah, that'd be good. Plus the animal or...
No.

Have one of each ready.

Yeah.

You got it.

Dealer's choice.

Love you guys. Bye.
Take on me Take me on I'll be gone You after your tears Needless to say I'm on the sentence But I need someone to go away Slowly learn that life is okay.