Alabama HC Nate Oats, NBA Trade Deadline And Sweet 16

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I'm going to use? Ready? Disleague. No, no, no.
Not disle. Not this league.
This league. Or as Adam Schefter said, he said NBA trade deadline is fire emoji.
And that was the end of emojis forever. But I was going to say, an unbelievable trade deadline, but the biggest trade that happened didn't happen.
Kyle Lowry's still a Raptor. That's whenever there's not the big blockbuster that are like, you know what the biggest trade was? didn't happen Kyle Lowry's still a Raptor that's whenever there's not the big blockbuster like you know what the biggest trade was the Raptors kept Kyle Lowry that's right yeah did you see that Drake got on FaceTime with Kyle Lowry last night after the game I've been listening to some Drake recently I'm starting to come around on this guy I think he might be the future of Raps so keep your eye on this young little buck you realize that that take was just terrible what that drake sucks it might it might have been one of my worst takes not my stronger one i still i'm coming around i'm reserving the right uh to still think that drake is corny that's fine but i'm starting but his songs are awesome i think he might yes he might have some talent his songs go as the kids say he's growing growing as an artist.
What did you say, Hank? More hits than the Beatles. More hits than the Beatles.
Bigger than Jesus. But there were some big moves.
Obviously, your Bulls got better, right? The Bulls got a lot better. The Bulls basically took the entire Garpax regime and threw it in the trash can today, which was awesome.
Vucevic coming to Chicago for Wendell Carter Jr. and two protected first-round picks.
There's nothing worse than the fans out there that just want to hold on to all the picks forever. Assets.
If it was a trade for just a random guy, I'd understand it. But Vuce, he's an all-star, two-time all-star.
He's perfect for Zach Levine. The Bulls are finally saying, hey, instead of let's just be middling all the time and end up with the seventh or eighth pick that means nothing, maybe we put someone around Zach Levine that can actually bring the best out of him and go for the playoffs.
And I'm all in. I'm sick of missing the playoffs and getting the seventh pick and getting a guy that we have to wait on and hope is good.

And the NBA, if you don't have the first or second,

maybe you could throw in the third pick.

You're kind of in a crapshoot.

Yeah, it's Buddy Boeheim no matter what, in the words of Kevin Costner and draft day.

So the NBA is a little bit different from the NFL because in the NFL,

like we talked about, you make the playoffs, you get that extra week,

you get to read the articles, all that stuff. In the NBA, unless you're one of the top two or three teams in your conference, it's like, well, we might as well not have made the playoffs.
Well, but all right, so here's the counterpoint to that and what the Bulls are doing, and I actually am fully in support of it. If you want to eventually be a team that can win in the playoffs, you have to make the playoffs.
You have to culture of hey we're trying to compete and then maybe some guys some veterans some free agents can see that franchise as a destination like oh i maybe want to go there there's two all-stars there you know instead of saying like oh let's just keep losing and hope that we get the number one pick luckily somehow like eventually you have to put your foot in the sand and say we're going one way or the other and i'm happy they're actually because zach lavine is too good for them to tank you know what you have to do you have to build a foundation you have to have a solid foundation then be like they're a couple nice pieces away from contending and then you get the pieces after that i'm excited i'm a little bit bummed out about our magic our orlando they're fully tank which they're doing the opposite. They're big sellers right now.
That was a wild week that we had like six months ago where the Orlando Magic was punching away because nobody liked them. And they played like two nice games, I think.
Yeah, so they traded Aaron Gordon to the Nuggets, who I love what the Nuggets are doing. The Nuggets are basically saying, hey, we're going to try to win a title.
They traded Vooch to the Bulls. And then you guys got, the Celtics got Evan Fournier, who he did the classic Google My Name, and everyone Googled it, and it's a terrible disease on your dick and scrotum.
Really? Yeah, his last name. Wait, Fournier? Dang green.
Yeah, if you Google it. Is it only on your dick and scrotum? I think so.
Google it. Google his last name.
It would be a great name for LaMelo Balls. Yeah, it's something else.
It's quite something. Fournier.
I feel like this is another year, though, where the Celtics did the non-trades. Everyone was expecting trades.
Oh! Yeah, it's bad. Nothing happened.
It's very bad. He did it.
He tweeted it.

Yeah, it's very bad. We're just on a blue waffle.

You traded Daniel.

I'm going to keep calling him Theus.

Is that okay?

Theis.

Theis.

Theis.

But why?

If his name's Theis, then spell it like a real football guy, like Mike Theis.

Okay?

German for German trade, though.

Yeah, he's good.

Mo Wagner, Ivan Wagner, whatever. He was a bull for like a minute.
Spelled with a W. I haven't seen him play since the college days.
That's going to be tough for you, Hank. Well, his brother's on Michigan, so you can maybe watch him and be like, ooh.
Yeah, the Wagner twins. Vons Vog.
Yeah. I am very, very excited about what the Bulls did.
Obviously, they're not a title contender, but they will hopefully make the playoffs now, and they're going to play fun basketball because I watch every Bulls game. A lot of nights, I'm like, why am I doing this? But if you watch them, you know that Zach Levine, when he plays with the young guys, it's like not getting the most out of them.
And now he has some veterans around him, some guys that can play, and it will be very fun to watch. It's also going to be fun to watch the Nuggets because they got JaVale McGee too.
JaVale McGee, how many times has he been traded? How many teams has he played on? He has played on Find It Jake. I think like half the teams in the NBA.
I'm going to say five. I think it's more than that.
You're at 15. I'm taking the over.
You're at 15. I'm at five.
Yeah. What other? Oh! Oladipo.
Oladipo to Miami is a great trade. Yeah, the Rockets somehow, the James Harden trade now is going to look even worse because they have nothing from that.
George Hill to the Sixers. What are you going to say? All the George's got traded.
All the Gary's got traded. Second time on the Nuggets.
Okay, so how many different teams? Seven teams. Eighth stop.
All the Gary got traded. J.J.
Reddick to the Mavericks. Yeah.
Gary Harris got traded to – or sorry, Gary Trent Jr. got traded to the Raptors.
And it was pointed out online, I saw someone say that Gary Trent Jr., so Gary Trent Sr. also played in the NBA.
Gary Trent Sr. named his sons Gary Trent Jr., Garyson, Grayson, and Graydon.
Oh, that would suck to be Graydon. Yeah.
Graydon was – that one was very much just like trying to make that last one happen. Yeah, he basically just did a word scramble with Gary.
Yeah, if you're going to go for that, do the George Foreman. Be like, this is George, this is also George.
Or do the, who did, oh, Gary Payton had two sons with different mothers, and one was Gary Payton Jr., and one was Gary Payton III. I like that.
What's the difference between junior and second? That's crazy. I don't know.
Yeah, it is. I think second is, in order to be a junior, you have to have first, middle, and last all on.
Yes. But if you want to do a second, you can do, like, and last name but middle name is different i think so and then that's i don't know what the rules i got it here it is both are used to identify that the person is the second in the family junior is used when the son has the same name as the father the second is used when the elder family member is anyone other than the father what i don't know that made it way more confusing it sounds like huh yeah i? Yeah.
I have no idea what you just said. So if you weren't the firstborn, you can't be junior? You got to be the second.
Wait. I don't know.
I think it is cool. If you're an NBA star...
Grandfather, uncle, or cousin uses the second. Okay.
So if your son had a son and named him... Yeah.
I guess they skipped. Second.
Got it. Got it.
That's interesting. The Heat also are getting LaMarcus Aldridge.
So when you look at the Eastern Conference Finals, is he able to get off the ground anymore? The Heat are going for it. The Celtics haven't done shit.
So you can see that the Heat are trying to get better, make another run. I like it.
Actually, you know what? I'm going to take back what I said at the beginning. This trade deadline is fire emoji.

Oh, shit.

Yeah. It's back.

Shefty was right.

Now, did he say fire emoji or did he tweet the fire emoji?

He tweeted the fire emoji.

Woj also, now we are Shams podcast, but he got worked by Woj.

Woj did the classic like, oh, people think that I've lost my fastball.

Well, here's 101 on the black.

Do you think that Woj wakes up in the morning on trade deadline? He's got all these drafted, ready to go because he knows exactly what's going to happen? Like a, oh, we can't say his name, like a Revell Super Bowl day? Exactly, yeah. I don't know.
That would be, yeah. I mean, it was a good, it was a lot of different trades and different moves, and I do like that there's some teams, I just like whenever there's teams that are really like, hey, let's try to win, and then the full tank Rockets, and Rockets might be the worst team ever, and the Magic.
Hank, so what are your thoughts overall? Because you guys, you got Luke Cornett, who is Robert Ori 2.0 according to Jim Boylan. That's cool.
Like I said, you look at the Eastern Conference Finals last year, the Heat have made improvements they're going for going forward the Celtics aren't really doing shit and their team is not as good as they were last year going into the trade deadline didn't get Aaron Gordon we kept Marcus March I was happy about some Celtics fans are trying to like well actually meet telling me that we need to get rid of Marcus Smart I disagree so I'm happy we kept them but overall I'm disappointed and I don't there's no way we're. There's no way we're being the Nets.
We're probably not going to beat the Heat again. That's what sucks about the NBA is where there's really only a few teams that are going to make the finals.
How long do you think it's going to take for Danny Ainge to leak a report saying how close they were to getting their target in free agents? Yeah, that's the joke everyone's making. People are saying Danny Ainge is going to be in the hot seat.
I don't know. It has been a long time where there was a time where Danny Ainge was like the guy, Trader Danny, has all these picks.
Those picks didn't really amount to shit. And now, you know, what are we doing? He actually was genius in that you just hoard picks and everyone would be like, well, we're going to do something eventually.
Well, that's the Thunder doing. But that's where it's like they hoard picks.
Every trade deadline they're in it, they're like, oh, they can get this guy because they have so many picks, but they never do anything. I also saw that Bowl Bowl was trending for a while today.
I guess that's the new thing, is to be like the Nuggets are adding pieces around Bowl Bowl. I do want to see him get more minutes because there's nothing sweeter than seeing Bowl Bowl run the floor and do a behind-the-back dribble.
He's smooth. He looks like a magician.
Shout-out Kendrick Perkins, who called the Chicago Bulls acquisition

Boosa Bitch, which I kind of like that.

Yeah.

So I might just go with that and start.

He was struggling with it.

Boosa Bitch.

Boosa Bitch.

Boosa.

Boosa.

Boosa Bitch.

Boosa Bitch.

I'm all in on that.

Sell the Boosa Bitch jerseys. But, yeah, it was cool that the NBA trade deadline actually had some moves because I feel like we've had a few that haven't had that.
Any other thoughts quickly on trade deadline? Anything. Hot Stove League.
Hot Stove League. Kyle Lowry, the big news.
Oh, Lou Williams gets to go to Magic City in Atlanta. That's huge.
A lot of people made that joke, which was great. Get the lemon pepper wings.
Yeah, I did Hand Up. I did that one.
Lemon pepper wings are, like, ever since that story came out, I've just been putting lemon pepper on everything. Not just wings.
It makes literally everything better. Wait, that's also kind of right before I started developing kidney stones.
Worth it. Worth it.
Yes. Let me think.
Oh, fuck. Oh, yeah, so Rondo's on the Clippers.
That will be interesting to watch Rondo bother. Like, hopefully the Clippers and the Lakers play in the playoffs, and we'll get to see playoff Rondo do it to the Lakers.
The LeBron stopper. People were getting Rondo there, yeah.
Rondo really was the reason why they won the title. Yeah.
Rondo's a guy that also he has the revenge factor. He carries grudges.
I like mean Rondo. When he gets mad at people, he's more effective.
So, yeah. I mean, I don't really expect the Clippers to do jack shit in the playoffs again this year.
But it'll be nice to see him out there. People were being really mean to AD on Twitter the last couple days, which I didn't appreciate.
So that was the other big story.

Oh, about what?

I'm actually talking about Andy Dalton.

I'm thinking about doing a rebrand for him. Okay, AD.

What do you think?

What do you think?

Do you like that?

I just tried that out.

AD is not bad.

Right.

Like, if we just start calling him AD, people are like, hey, that's not bad.

How sick would Andy Dalton look with a red unibrow, too?

Dude, like, when you say, oh, yeah, AD is going to ball out this year, I don't know.

It kind of makes me feel like I'm – QB1. I am very, very close to – I even texted our friend Perloff who's part of the Dan Patrick show because he is probably the biggest AD stan out there.
I texted him. I was like, hey, we probably need to get together in the next week or two so you can just give me all your notes because I think with the way the Bears are just trolling everyone i think i'm gonna get in on the troll i think i'm gonna be an ad guy i love that that the main account from your team is so self-aware that they made a meaningless move that they're trolling twitter by putting out qb1 graphics of annie dalton photoshopped they've actually been on fire yeah it's it's i love it personally if i was a bears fan it's terrible i would have to do what you're doing, which is just talk yourself all the way into it.
What about the Daltrain? All aboard. Daltrain's pretty good.
The Bears have been on fire. They did AD boxing, and then they did the band getting back together, and it was the special teams unit.
Oh, you mean WeFence? Yeah. As Ron Zook put it? They're just trolling're just trolling everyone.
I guess at some point, if you're so bad and you piss everyone off, just be like, it's just a prank, guys. Yeah.
It's just a fucking joke. They got Andy Dalton for the retweets.
Say it again. They got AD for the clout.
That sounds way better. Yeah.
Doesn't it? I think, yeah, I think I'm going to be an AD guy. I like that you're talking yourself into it.
I'm starting to talk myself in football team news. I was dismayed when I woke up yesterday because I saw the report that Dan Snyder was buying out all the shares of the minority owners, which people are saying is because the report on how big of a creep Dan Snyder is is about to come out.
It turns out he's just a normal creep, allegedly. So he's going to have to keep the team.
And it's pretty much as close to a death sentence for a fan as you can get. Because Dan Snyder is going to outlive me.
I've accepted that a long time ago, even though he's like 30 years older. He's got all the good billionaire medicine.
I would guess he's got a shithead son, right? He's got a son. I don't know.
I don't know. He's a shithead.
I mean, odds are. He will become one.
Odds are that if you grow up with Dan Snyder as your role model, you probably. But I don't know.
I might be way off on that. We'll hold back.
He's going to be the owner of the football team for my entire life. And so now I'm having to figure out a way to spin zone myself into that.
I'm just saying, like, maybe the problem was Dan didn't have control maybe the the ceo of fedex was the one that was screwing everything up i mean yeah i've seen cast away it could be yeah those guys fuck everything up they just first sign of any sort of uh adversity they start opening up other people's packages i don't trust them just spin yourself off the planet of the earth i'm a ups guy i'm a ups guy i'm just like a top spinning i'm a top spinning. I'm a dreidel just spinning at all times, just trying to figure out a way.
I don't care, though, because the Bulls made good moves, and I'm in with AD. I think I'm all in on Dan Snyder, too.
Dan Snyder, just a normal creep. There you go.
Perfect. All right.
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The reseeding was a disaster. Jake, you reseeded afterwards.
Yeah, it was clean. Do you want to give it to us? Give it to us so that we have something to go off of? I think where we went wrong when we tried to reseed, in my head, I was reseeding teams

based on how I personally felt

they were playing. What Jake did

was you just did it like the

committee because the committee got it right.

Yeah, the reseed.

The Bama twice was a great touch.

Yeah, it happens.

Jay Billis did the same thing. I know.
He was probably

listening to our show. Fucking Jay Billis

doesn't fucking follow anyone on Twitter. You're such a hard-o, dude uh the 116 matchup is gonzaga or roberts 8-9 creighton villanova okay keep going 512 do you want me to go in order or say the matchup no just say the list okay gonzaga baylor michigan alabama houston arkansas fsu creighton villva, USC, Oregon, Loyola, Syracuse, UCLA, Oregon State, Oroch.
I think Loyola is too high there. Yeah, they should be.
Loyola fans were not happy with me when I did a factual thing. Well, yeah.
No respect. Like, relax.
Relax. Relax.
They also have a very, like, what's going to happen, what you should have realized, Jake, is that Loyola has a path to the Final Four here that's not that hard. So you should have put them higher because now it's going to happen.
They're going to get to the Final Four, and you're going to look like an idiot. You don't think they will.
I mean, by a Syracuse. But yes, if it wasn't Syracuse, yes, they're going to get back.
Okay, so Loyola and Oregon State playing the first game. Sister Jean has refused to release her scouting report publicly.
She said because Oregon State might be listening. So she's around her little cauldron wagging her eye of Newt, making all these predictions, looking in the reflection of whatever toad broth that she's got boiling up.
I love Loyola in this. The problem is Oregon State, they are a team that has been so hot,

and I made the decision to start betting on them back in the Pac-12 conference tournament,

and it has paid off wonderfully.

So I'm pot committed.

You've got to keep taking the points and just, you know, I want Loyola to win,

but if there's seven points in a game that's going to be very low scoring, give it to me.

Baylor's going to truck Villanova. Put it

on a board. Put it on a quote board.

And I love Villanova. Villanova fans,

we've been through the ringer many years.

But yeah, Baylor,

I've seen that Baylor team. They're going to truck you.

Somebody asked us who was paying us to not

talk about Baylor. And I wish

somebody was paying. I'm doing a lot of bad stuff in that program.

Out of the love of my heart. You should actually pay us to not talk about Baylor if you're a Baylor fan.
Yes. Jailer.
Oral Roberts, Arkansas. Arkansas is going to kill them.
Must bust. Must bust all the way.
Must bust. We just won it on the record.
I mean, we talked about it with Nate Oates, but we are must bust guys. That Kevin Bacon story didn't change your opinion at all? What was the Kevin Bacon story? Oral Roberts footloose? Yeah, well, the head coach was in a barber shop, and he heard Kevin Bacon was getting a facial in the back.
Whoa. Okay, that's serious.
Like, facial. What do you mean? Explain a facial.
Then Kevin Bacon came out the back, and the head coach was like, hey, you like your facial? And Kevin Bacon was like, yeah, you look like you need a couple. Like, saying his face looked like shit.
So then the head coach goes. Yeah, I got it.
Thank you. Head coach goes, well, I'm not wearing any panties, so.
What? Yeah, I don't really understand. They almost got in a fight.
Yeah. When was this? You should have kicked Kevin Bacon's ass.
When was this? That was the word for it. I actually take points off the Oral Roberts coach.
If Kevin Bacon talks shit to you. We had him in the studio.
Kevin Bacon is about my size. Wait, hold on.
You got to swing on that. So two dudes almost got in a fight at a facial factory? 20 plus years ago.
Barbershop. Oh, okay.
20 plus years ago. Wait, wait.
This wasn't like yesterday? Yeah, this has nothing to do with this then. Okay.
Arkansas. Come on.
By a million. Not even with the points? No.
Fuck Oral Roberts.

I'm taking the points just for that Kevin Bacon story.

I think we've reached the end of Oral Roberts' jokes that I'm ready for them to be gone.

Yeah.

I'm ready for them.

Yeah.

It's over.

I think Syracuse is going to win on Saturday night, Jake.

Buddy Beham.

Me too.

Number one pick.

Houston should not.

Rutgers blew that game. Yeah.
Rutgers should have houston or i'm all over syracuse too because like the zone that's right you need to know and like if the number one draft pick keeps shooting well they're gonna win yeah yeah so you had buddy boeheim on your podcast yes um and you told him that i had him number one on my big board yes he seemed to think that like in the back of his head he's he's like, oh, nice. I'm finally getting the respect I deserve.
No, he said it was a joke in the clip. Okay, good.
He's like, I know it's a joke, but it's funny. I didn't watch the whole clip.
It was too long. It was like 55 seconds.
He gave me the retweet. That's all that matters.
The retweet. The retweet's all that matters.
35 seconds too long. What's the other Boeheim's name? Jimmy.
Jimmy. He plays at Cornell.
Yeah, so I heard a rumor on the street that Jimmy was thinking about doing a grad transfer

to Syracuse next year.

That would be great.

To play for his pos.

Buddy, the Boeheim twins?

Buddy comes back, yeah.

I don't know if they're twins.

I don't think they'll be over this.

No, we've been over this.

It's better when they're twins.

Oh, okay.

Guys like twins.

They're all twins.

Right.

All right, Sunday.

All right, let me see if I can do this right, because everyone gets really mad.

Gonzaga.

No.

Gonzaga.

Jimmy's a senior.

Gonzaga?

Gonzaga.

Gonzaga.

Gonzaga.

How do you pronounce it?

Thank you. All right, let me see if I can do this right because everyone gets really mad.
Gonzaga. No.
Gonzaga.

Give me the seniors.

Gonzaga?

Gonzaga.

Gonzaga.

Gonzaga.

How do you pronounce it?

It's a long A.

Gonzaga.

Gonzaga.

The Gonzaga.

That sounds like a pandemic.

Gonzaga.

Gonzaga.

Gonzaga.

Gonzaga fans are very mad.

You guys are going to win. You guys are going to win.

You guys are going to win at all.

You don't think so?

I think they're getting upset.

Against Creighton?

Yep.

With the P-word?

It's so chalky that it's...

Do you remember the P-word?

Yeah.

You can't win a title.

I mean, they've won two games.

It's the opposite of a team of destiny at that point.

Oh, AOC.

The return of AOC.

That would be...

Yeah.

You are the biggest AOC fan I know. AOC upsetting Washington again.
There it is. Florida State, Michigan.
I don't know who's going to win this game. Hank, how many people get mad at you for any AOC tweet that you put out? A lot.
A lot. It's shocking.
People get mad at you guys when I tweet on AOC. They got mad at me because I had the same day.
I had AOC to you and then also

David Duke, parentheses,

Providence because he hit a game winning show.

I learned that the hard way at the beginning of the season.

FFD told me. Yeah, I think Jake was like

David Duke is amazing.

Can't say that. Can't say it

at all. I do love the people that snitch

tagged me in Big Cat like Hank made a

political reference. Lock him up.

Alright, so Florida State,

Michigan. I don't know.
This game

I... Yeah, this game's going to be good

and I'm going to... to me and Big Cat like Hank made a political reference.
Lock him up. Alright so Florida State, Michigan I don't know.
This game

Yeah this game's going to be good and I don't

know who's going to win. It's a terrible

My heart says Michigan. My heart

says Florida State unfortunately.

I just feel like they're

Florida State's always good for one big win in the

tournament and then to lose the next game.

Big Ten needs it. And everyone says Leonard

Hamilton like can you believe it he's one of the best coaches

that hasn't been to a Final Four and also

how old is he now? 72? He is mid Thank you. tournament and then to lose the next game.
Big Ten needs it. And everyone says Leonard Hamilton, like, can you believe it?

He's one of the best coaches that hasn't been to a Final Four.

And also, how old is he now?

72?

He is mid-70s, I think.

He looks like he's 40.

Yeah, it's incredible.

My friend did a Rothsteinism, ages like fine wine.

That's good.

That's a great one.

So you make that up?

I was going to give you as much silence as possible after that,

just to make it as awkward as possible.

Say it again.

No, say it again. Say it again.
We'll react. awkward as possible.
Say it again. No.
Say it again.

Say it again.

We'll react.

He's 72.

Say it again.

Leonard Hamilton ages like fine wine.

It's my friend.

It's a big sheesh.

You could just say that you came up with it, Jake.

I don't even think it's a wrong thing.

I think that's a common thing.

Anything that's old.

It's like Leonard Hamilton. Timeless wonder.
Alright, whatever. Alright, UCLA Bama.
We have Nate Oates on. We have had McCronin on.
Rostey would have been ages like a shitty movie from the 90s that still is good. Ages like Face Off.
What do you mean shitty movie with shitty movie with face off right yeah it's an incredible movie well that stood up to the test of time yeah one actor plays the other guy jake to do a full rosting you gotta tell your friend to do a full rosting it can't be a common saying it has to be a saying that makes no sense really it has no real comedic value like dana altman of organ in the rubik's cube right and then ages like twinkies right and then And then eventually, yeah, right. Ages like Twinkies.
And then eventually, if you just hammer people with it enough, they're like, ha, that's funny. That's the Rothsteinism.
That's how you do it. Ages like a painting.
Yeah. Ages like a rock.
That would be, yeah. Ages like the earth.
Over three billion, how many years? 60,000. 60,000 years? 60,000 years old.
That's it? That's it, yeah. No.
Yeah. Earth is so young, Drake would hit it.
4.543 billion. Yeah.
Yeah. What did you come up with 60,000? That's just a fact.
Read your Bible. Yeah.
Oh, Billy's got the... 65 million years ago, the dinosaurs died.
There it is. Thank you, Billy.
It'd be sick, though, if the earth was mad young still. Yeah.
And we're just all... It's acne.
Yeah, we're just dealing with it. We're just getting through some growing pains.
UCLA, Bama. Anyone? I like Bama.
Is UCLA a team of destiny? UCLA is fun. And I like Mick Cronin.
And yes, whenever I tweet out a picture of him, it's just because I'm taller than him. That's pretty much the only reason why.
I do like him being an outlier in LA. It's very funny to me that Mr.
Cincinnati is the blue-collar UCLA guy. But I think I've got to go Bama.
It might just be because we interviewed Nate Oates. That actually might be what pushed me over the top, and my allegiance can be bought very easily for the cost of one interview on this show, but I think they've just been scoring.
96 points against Maryland, to me, that made me feel like Alabama might reach the Final Four. They go nuclear.
If Mick Cronin, he kind of screwed up, but I know it's it's hindsight 2020 you don't know how long you're gonna last in the tournament but the whole storyline of not seeing his dad not hugging his dad for two years or a year and a half whatever it's been uh he used he used it in the first weekend he should have brought his dad out for this weekend then they win this game i truly believe that yeah they're showing hep cronin inronin in the stands and being like, man, after this game they're going to get the hug, they somehow find a way. The dad game is a game changer.
It is. And then Oregon-USC, which would be great.
We really should have Bill Walton calling this. I hope he does a live stream or something and just cuck CBS.
That would be awesome. But I'm excited for this game.
And the Mobley twins. Yeah.
Who aren't twins.

But they are. I think I like USC.
Conference champions. They're the, that's, yeah.
This is how stupid, like, gamblers are and people in the world and how we watch games. I think if you flipped when those games were played, everyone would be like, Oregon's going to win.
If Oregon had beaten Iowa in the nightcap

versus USC beating Kansas in the 11 o'clock game,

I think everyone would have thought differently.

I think I'm also mad at Oregon for beating Iowa

because Hank convinced me to bet on Iowa,

and then that screwed up my entire 17 parlay.

What made you think that?

I fucked up. Okay, thanks, man.
That's up my entire 17th parlay. What made you think that? Alright, fucked up.

Okay, thanks, man.

That's a fair thing.

I took Iowa.

They're not bad.

They're not bad.

Well, I also look at Oregon and...

I also saw a tweet that was like 80...

It was really the under, though.

I saw a tweet that was like,

you were on Iowa, I said the under.

I said Iowa and the under.

And you talked me into Oregon and the over.

Wait.

No.

Then you talked you into the...

No, no, sorry, you talked me into Iowa and the under.

Got it.

Yeah, I had the...

I don't say better. advantage over Iowa last week.
All I said to BFT, and this is fair in hindsight, was like if you bet on Oregon and they come out and throw an absolute stinker,

how dumb are you going to feel? I didn't say bet Iowa

but we were on the way

to the airport and you were like

should I bet Iowa or Oregon? I was like well

if you bet Oregon and they come out and they haven't played

a game yet on unchartered territory

and they suck, you're going to look like an idiot.

Yeah, that's totally different

from telling you not to. Yeah.
Well, it's okay. It happens.
Hey, got to lose some. You got to give some back, right? All right, let's do our interview.
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pmt simplisafe.com slash pmt go right now simplisafe.com slash pmt okay here he is alabama head coach nato okay we now welcome on a very special guest it is head coach of alabama basketball they're in the sweet 16 on sunday against ucla it is coach nato and we just said before we started we're going to throw in a disclaimer so that you know that we are tried and true must bust guys and Tom Crean guys so we've known Tom Crean coach Crean for uh actually like many years now four years we visited him at Georgia a couple times and we're also must bust guys so maybe oh if you're not watching, Coach Oates is now ripping up a piece of paper that said bashing Tom Crean and Coach Musselman, and he's throwing that in the trash. So we're good.
We're good. No, we're good.
Listen, I'm from Wisconsin originally, so I used to actually work Coach Crean's camps at Marquette back when I was like a D3 assistant. So I've known Tom forever.
And Tom's actually been good to me since I've been in the league. He's a Michigan State guy.
I was in Detroit for 11 years. So I know Tom.
Me and Tom are good. Most of them I coached against him when he was at Nevada and I was at Buffalo.
We came into the league together at the same time. He's done a great job.
I mean, I respect that kind of him. He beat me when he was in Nevada.
They beat us at their place pretty good this year.

So we're all good.

All right, good.

So you actually just brought it up.

I was going to ask this later on in the interview,

but from Wisconsin, got your graduate degree from the University of Wisconsin

where I went and then coached high school in Detroit area.

So how much can I attribute Alabama's run to the Big Ten?

90%, 95%? I'm counting this as a win for the Big Ten is that okay yeah the Wisconsin native we're a Big Ten country like I mean whatever you want I mean you're the boss whatever you want you know just attribute it how you want okay look we play a lot we play a lot different than Wisconsin though I mean we're not I don't know if you't know if you like Wisconsin's style of play, but we're definitely not playing like the Badgers. But I'm a Badger fan.
I'm obviously an Alabama football fan being down here, but while I was a basketball coach, before I got to Alabama, I was always pulling for Badger football. Well, I know at Buffalo you were incorporating things into your practices that were very Big Ten-like.
I don't know if you still do them, but you do things. You would add extra points.
You had your own scoring system, right, for hustle plays, which I assume, I don't know, like diving for a loose ball, taking a charge, keeping a block shot in bounds, those sorts of plays. Are you still doing that down in the SEC at Alabama? Yeah, no, we still do.
We call our blue-collar points. We give hard hat at the end.
And so maybe the helmet's football-ish. You know, it's more like a construction hard hat.
But we try to value the dirty, dry me. You know, so I was in Detroit 11 years.
I used to go to Michigan State's practice. So it was some more Big Ten stuff a lot.
Izzo would always have like the shoulder pads and the helmets in there ready to like throw the pads on for a rebounding drill or whatever. We haven't broke out any shoulder pads or helmets or any of that stuff, but we still do the whole scoring system.
You've done a little research, I think. Yeah.
PFT. I was going to bring up, I must have been all right on the JV show.
I was on the Benchmob show. Is that like – I go back to my high school days.
My freshman year in high school, I played well enough on JV, and then they moved me up to varsity. Yeah, exactly.
Is that what happened here? We went back and we watched the film. I assigned you some blue-collar points for some of your answers in that interview.
So I was like, yeah, I think we're ready to move him up and see if he can take a charge in the big leagues here. Yes, absolutely.
I went from JV to the varsity now i'm on the varsity with the barstool sports now or what yes you are so all right so you you uh to just go back to your uh what you said a minute ago no i do not like wisconsin style of play i much prefer what you've done at alabama it's fun it's exciting the thing i don't understand i can't wrap my head around and obviously this is why you uh are a great coach and have had so much success how the heck do you get your team to play so fast and also play great defense those have never gone together in basketball it's never you know what I mean like you think of the fastest teams the running gun even like the seven seconds or less suns like the the idea of pushing the pace but also playing great efficient defense how have you done that that's like a big jay journalist question right there yeah well because it baffles me i'm curious yeah come up with that on your own or did jake feed you that one no i came up i i came up with my own i'll tell you why a coach i i'll tell you exactly how i came up with my own because I did. You guys, your offense is so much fun to watch and shoot so many threes that I would start to take overs for Alabama games, but then they would not hit because you guys were playing too good a defense.
And I was like, what the fuck is going on here? And then I was like, oh, crap, they're ruining it on the defensive end because a team that plays at that pace should always go over. Sure, we like to like to get up and down, but when the defense is really good, it takes the other team a long time to figure out a score and then to slow stuff up a little bit.
It's a good question. We've always played open, free.
It kind of goes back to my high school coaching days in Detroit. We had athletes all over and did a bunch of skill development, opened the floor up.
It's always been my philosophy, but I think when you give them as much freedom as we give them on offense, you can demand a lot more out of them on defense. So there's a little give and take.
We're going to let you play on the offensive end, but in return we're going to demand a lot out of you on the defensive end. And I don't think pace of play correlates to defensive efficiency at all, which you can tell.
I mean, we're top three in the country in defensive efficiency. We've been number one for a few weeks and kind of fluctuate, but, you know, on our offense is one of the fastest, if not the fastest in power five.
So I think we can still push the pace on offense and then demand a lot out of them on defense and get stopped. So, yeah, I mean, we're proving you can do it right now.
We did it at Buffalo, too. My last year at Buffalo, I think we were 21st in the country in offensive efficiency.
Maybe we were top five in the country in scoring, and then we were 31st in the country in defensive efficiency, which is not easy to do in mid-major because it's all, you know, based somewhat on your opponents and stuff, too. Yeah.
Yeah. How are things going for you inside the bubble? Because you're a high-energy guy.
I expect a lot of the coaches that are still remaining for the most part, there's some young guys. There's some guys that will bounce off the wall, don't like being cooped up in a room for too long.
Are you having to schedule activities to counter your boredom, make sure you don't sit around gnawing your paws off like a high-energy dog that you leave alone in the house? How have you adapted to living in this bubble environment? That's a good question. The first day was bad because it literally made us just sit in this room that I'm sitting in the whole day.
We got the COVID test. We got it on Sunday night after we won the SEC tournament.
Then all day long, they finally let us out at 9 at night after we got two negative COVID tests. then, so they've got this victory field, a baseball field, so I go for Ronda.
I got to get outside. I don't know about you guys.
I can't stay inside all day. I've been out victory field a few times.
Last night we went to the zoo. I've been trying to work out a little bit.
Now, look, your guy Moss was actually really smart. I think he puts out a social media video every three hours or something.
So, you see, everybody knows what he's got going on. He brought the Peloton.
You guys saw that or not? Yeah, yeah, I did. Yeah, like, that was smart.
You know, I was like, dang, that would have been smart. You know, like, then you could actually work out in your room instead of have to sign up for the 6 a.m.
slot. And I'm not, you know, I wasn't real motivated to get up at 6 a.m.
to go for a run. But I've been outside a little bit.
We're going to order a pool table and arcade game in for our players. Our meeting room is supposed to be coming tonight.
So I like to shoot a little pool. What else we got going on? Oh, we're going to Topgolf tonight.
They're kind of letting us out of our little – Oh, nice.

Yeah, I'm terrible.

My golf game stinks.

But, you know, who knows?

Maybe I hit one out there a little bit.

Yeah.

I like the idea of going to the zoo.

I'm a big fan of zoos.

If you have a bad time at a zoo, I don't think that I can be friends with you.

It would just never work out.

What did you guys do at the zoo?

I was all about it.

I was in there.

Thank you. It would just never work out.

What,

what did you guys do at the zoo? I was all about it.

I was in there.

I mean,

you know,

what do you do at a zoo?

Stare at the animals.

Yeah.

I mean,

the,

uh,

what,

where are you,

where are you,

where are you guys left?

What is there a zoo where you guys left?

We got the Bronx zoo.

Uh,

we got the central park zoo,

which I think has two lemurs and a couple of penguins. And then some like that are like, why am I living in New York City? I don't get this.
So, yeah, it's not a great zoo that's really close by. But anytime I go to the zoo, it's like the highlight of my year.
Yeah, some of our guys were all fired up. How about one of our guys had never been to a zoo before we took him last night? I didn't know that would be possible for a college age kid.
I love that. Seeing those big animals for the first time, it'll blow your mind.
Yeah, and you know, at Alabama we got the elephants, so the whole team got our picture taken in front of the elephants. You know, we got the roll tide with the elephant.
I still haven't, I work at Alabama, I'm still not quite sure how you know, we're the crimson tide, but our mascot's mascot's an elephant. Like, maybe you guys can do some research.
It might be a Big J journalist kind of research project one of these days. I think this might just – it might be completely wrong, but I think the Crimson Tide was named after a Big J journalist who he wrote an article about an Alabama football game, and he said that Alabama's players were washing over the opponent like a crimson tide out there on the field.
And so they named the entire program after a column, which is, I mean, that's like the peak of journalism right there. So you're going to claim that was the original Big J journalist that wrote that cup? Because that is the story they've given.
They ran over him like a crimson tide. It's like a herd of elephants stampeding down the field

or something like that.

That was the original Big J journalist, though?

I think so, yeah.

And actually, we had a debate last Saturday.

We were talking about Alabama football.

I've seen some pictures of you at the games.

You obviously have ingrained yourself in the culture of the school a little bit.

Do you think that if you were to coach Alabama's football team

as a basketball team, how many wins do you think you could have gotten this season with those athletes? Shoot, man, they've got some pretty good athletes, right? Like Devontae Smith could probably get up and down on our pace a little bit. I think Mack Jones would be a quarterback.
You know who's actually good? Bryce Young. I've seen Bryce Young play a little hoop.
You know, he was backup quarterback.

He can hoop a little bit.

They got some big boys inside, too,

where you could play a little smash mouth on the offensive glass.

I don't know.

I don't know how skilled they'd all be, but we'd make it fun for sure.

We'd win a few.

We'd get out there and win a few games.

Has Saban maybe said something like, hey, look, I'm rooting for you guys,

but don't get too good because we're still the meal ticket here. Like, we're still the big dogs in town.
No, he's been great. He congratulated me after the regular season title, after the tournament title.
I think that he's a basketball guy. Him and his are still buddies.
You know, go back to the days at Michigan State, and he has a little noon, like, I don't know, his staff comes over and plays. You've heard about it? Yeah, I've heard about it.
I think he, like, rigs it so he always wins, doesn't he? Have you ever played there? Have you ever gone and shot around? So, you know, I've only been here two years. So, last year he got hip surgery.
So, I think that kind of cut out their noon league. And I asked him, I said, are you still going to be able to play basketball? And he said, what? I said, why do you think I got the surgery done? So obviously it was – and then this year we got the COVID stuff going on.
So, you know, like maybe when I get back and maybe if everybody's got their vaccination done or who knows, maybe I'll jump in. I said, I got to work on my jumper, though, because if he's going to pick me up, he's got to be able to see I can make some shots.
I might have to get in the gym and start working on my game after the season's over. What are the rules going to be in that? Like if you guard him one-on-one, are you going to be able to really put the clamps on him? Are you going to put the body on him? Or is it saving and you're like, can't touch? From what I've heard, he picks his team, and then he picks who guards him on the other team.
So my guess would be if I was guarding him, that would say something about my defensive abilities. That would mean I'm an awful defender if he picks me to guard him.
So hopefully I wouldn't be guarding him. Yeah, he's like Justin Bieber when he practices against his worst friend and then makes his other friend take a video so that goes up online.
That's what Saban does in the run. I like that.

He's not big on the video, though.

Yeah, that's true. Have you been asked or commented on the end of the SEC championship game,

which, by the way, was one of my favorite games of the entire year.

That was a high-level game, great shot making, great drama.

What exactly did you say to LSU in that moment?

I don't know what I said. I got really excited.
I think some people tried to read the lips. I didn't mean any disrespect to LSU.
I figured you guys would bring that up. Somebody did a little Big J journalist research.
I watched it. I watched it.
I was watching it. It was awesome.
and I have actually a bone to pick with you because I think that uh you know the style you guys play the way that you you know speak your mind is all refreshing but you apologize too much the fact that you apologize for coach K earlier this year those comments like stop apologizing just be yourself just say it and just be done with it yeah what does it matter, there's people disagree. That to me, at the end of the SEC game, that was just a coach who was passionate about his team, who was in a great game, who'd been in a long season letting out a little bit of emotion.
That's sports. Like, that's sports.
That's what it should be about. That is what it was.
I was fired up. You know, we had a little, did you see the little brew,

a little scuffle before the game that happened?

Yes.

That's why we watch sports.

There was a little extra motion involved in that one.

And there was a few other things going on behind the scenes.

So we needed to make sure we had that win.

Yeah.

I think.

We're on four games.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We got that win.

We're good.

I think I read your lips after the game.

What I saw was great freaking win, guys.

And I was like, yeah, that's great.

Yeah.

I Yeah, we got that win. We're good.
I think I read your lips after the game. What I saw was, great freaking win, guys.
And I was like, yeah, that's great. Yeah, I love that passion.
PFT's my guy. PFT's my guy.
That's what I'm claiming. That's what I said.
And then you had to go kind of, what is it, out of the flames and into the frying pan and face off against a legendary coach, Rick Pitino, in the first round. Great coach, like one of the all-time legends of the game, and you knew you were going to get 40 minutes of hell from him.
What was your game plan? Did you have to make any adjustments leading into that game, knowing Coach Pitino's style of play? You know what? I didn't know what he was going to do exactly. I mean, he's obviously a Hall of Fame coach.
He's won multiple national championships. Agreed.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I had to go against him. I didn't sign up for that, getting a two seed.
You know, we were the only Power Five team to win the regular season and the tournament championship in a Power Five league. And then they lined me up with Rick Pitino, Hall of Fame coach, in the first round.
So I didn't know exactly what he'd do. You try to guess.
We didn't change a whole lot of what we do. I did think – I mean, he did a great job.
They were up on us in the second half. Then our athleticism finally took over in our depth, and we kind of broke the thing open the second half.
I did – I'm cool with his son, Richard. I'd never met Rick before.
And at this deal, everything's different. Like, we get to the arena, they got to sanitize everything.
And so we couldn't even get to the locker room. So both Austin and I are shooting on one court.
They got one in. We got the other.
They got a curtain between. But I saw Rick over there.
I went over and talked to him for like 15 minutes kind of before we could get to our locker rooms. He was great.
His son, Richard, gave me his number. I've known Richard for a while.
He's been – we've never been cool. So I called him after we played and just kind of tried to pick his brain for a little bit.
He was great. So, yeah, it was good.
And I saw from that comment that he told you that the first game is always the toughest, which I thought was very interesting because you have the Iona game. You guys are down in the second half like you mentioned and then the next game against Maryland you you know everything clicked and you guys could have beaten the Nets on uh or Monday night or Sunday night whenever the game was uh that's how hot you guys were from three but it was interesting because I never really thought about that you think that like the first game is always the easiest but I could see how like jitters and and not feeling the flow of tournament could definitely get in teams' ways when they're playing in the first round.
Yeah, he brought up one of his Kentucky teams, I guess, had the biggest, and you guys, knowing you guys a little bit, you probably know this one, they had the biggest point spread in the history of the NCAA tournament. He said they were 36-point favorites against San Jose State, and it was a one-point game at the half.
And then he he did tell me they ended up covering the spread in the second half, which is crazy. So that second half must have been nuts.
So he told me that. I told our players that too.
I was like, listen, we're too good on an offensive team. It's going to flow.
And sure enough, it did. So maybe I'll just keep telling them we're going to have a great offensive game and then you just speak it into existence or something.

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How much do you hate mid-range jumpers? Will you pull a guy out of a game if he takes one? No, but I, I mean, if he takes too many, I mean, like, I, I don't even say I hate him. It's just all about the efficiency.
Like, I mean, if, you know, if you're shooting 60% on them, like go ahead and take them. That's 1.2.
Like we're going to win most of our games doing that. But the problem is most of the guys are shooting like in the 30% and 40 percent and that's an awful shot at those percentages so we it's more of a reprogramming them from the time they get in you know from their high school junior college whatever where they took way more of them to you know and we let them take them we just devalue them we only give you one point for them in practice yeah that kind of the scoring system we talked about.
And then, so if you take them and you're losing because you're taking these and we got three-pointers and four-pointers and you're taking one-pointers. And so we kind of devalue it that way.
And then we take the – but we don't tell them they can't shoot them. We just devalue them.
And then, you know, after a few months of stats, we start to show the guys, like, you know, you're shooting 35%. Well, that's 0.7 points per possession.
We're not winning any games if that's what we get coming down. So maybe you want to quit shooting them.
You know, you think that's your shot and you're making one out of three, but that's a terrible percentage. So it's more of getting them to believe it the same way I get them rather than just saying, you know, maybe it's the new school parenting, you know, back in the old school.
You just do it because I'm your dad. Now you've got to explain everything.
You know, I've got three kids. You've got why, why, why.
Right. You've got to explain it all.
You've got to convince them to get to your side. I like that.
So explain it. So for people who don't know, the practice court was what you're referring to.
It has two-pointers right at the rim, one-pointers every single mid-range, and then three-pointers and four-pointers. Is that right? Yeah, we put a four-point line down.
It's probably about three feet behind the NBA line. And we don't really encourage a ton of four-point shooting, but we put it down more for spacing, but we do like guys to have that range because then they can really spread the floor out.
But yeah, so we want at the rims, we went in the order, we want free throws at the rim twos and then kick out threes. So you get free throws by driving the ball, getting fouled, you know, the at the rim twos, everything, everything from an at-the-rim two all the way out to a three, we just give 1.4.
So even like a lane shot, even if it's not technically a mid-range, but we call them non-at-the-rims. So, yeah, that's what we're trying to get.
That's your math background coming into play because you were a math teacher, right? Yeah, I'm a math teacher. So that's where you learned all these fancy statistics like three is worth more than two.
Wow. Which is worth more than one.
That gives you a big leg up. Yeah.
I could have passed your math class. Definitely.
You definitely could have. We would have helped you through it.
I mean, depending on how well you shot it. I mean, you know, like we got you through.
Yeah. I also saw that you were essentially like a corner store in your high school.

You were selling Flaming Cheetos, Capri Suns.

Who did all your research for you guys?

Somebody did a lot of research for you guys.

Jeeves on the internet.

Actually, Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is a big resource for this podcast.

But I saw that you, like, outsold the corner store, the local corner store,

so much so that the other teachers were mad because their students were late to come to class

because they were all lining up to give you money

because you were raising money for the basketball team on that.

How many bags of Flaming Hot Cheetos would you go through in a week?

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And I had usually three boxes of 50. So what's that? 150 a day.
So multiply by five. What was that? About 750 bags of Cheetos a week.
That's about what we were going through. That's some volume.
So there you go. So what did you do when the other teachers were like, hey, this math teacher is making every student tardy, and they're all showing up to class with bright orange dust.
All our Scantrons are inoperable because they've got bright orange dust all over them. It wasn't that bad.
The warning bell, at the warning bell, you got to shut it down. So you got to hurry it up.
You got four minutes to get in, get your stuff, get out. Or, you know, you sell before school, lunchtime, whatever.
We had a whole system. You'd have to have been in there.
You guys would have enjoyed it. You'd have definitely been down in my classroom frequently during the days.
But, yeah, when I got to Romulus, I think I remember there was like $78 in the fundraising account. When I left, they had like over $20,000.
And we had the shooting machines, they call them guns. Yep.
They had like about $6,000 each grand each we had like six of those so we just yeah we raised a little bit of money that wasn't the only way we raised money a lot of different ways but yeah that was that that was eight years ago i was we won the state championship in michigan in 2013 so it hasn't been that long that i was still filling up the van with uh sam's club stuff that's crazy um so when you went to buffalo obviously you you uh coached with bobby hurley how crazy are the hurley brothers listen i i love danny but i just talked to danny because they obviously played maryland before we he uh gave me his two cents i i got to know danny probably better than i did bobby and then bobby got the job And then obviously working for Bobby for two years, we got pretty close. They're different, but they're kind of the same.
They both got a definite streak to them where you don't want to get them too pissed off. Right.
But I figured out where – I mean, Bobby's a really good player, but he's like ultra intense. you know, like on like 90, 95% of the time, probably more than that.
Like he's just chilled. Like if you had him on a podcast, he'd be great.
Like he's just normal dude laid back, but shoot, you lose two in a row or you lose a recruit that you were supposed to get. They got, they got, they got a little bit different side to him.
But I mean,, just kind of got a deal. And I say them, like, I never worked for Danny.
So me and Danny were cool. We still talk.
But I worked for Bobby. I loved working for him.
He was great. Almost to the point, though, it was almost entertaining at times.
And he knew it. Like, Bobby, nuts.
And he'd just kind of laugh. And he'd kind of know and he'd kind of know it.
I remember a few practices the players found out he was a little nuts too. Their dad's a Hall of Fame coach.
Yeah, and I love Danny. I love watching.
One of my favorite things to do is watch Danny on the sidelines just waiting for the technical that's going to happen pretty much every game because he just wears and again, it goes back to what we were saying about the end of the SEC championship game. As fans, we consider ourselves pretty like regular average Joe fans.
That's the kind of stuff we want to see. We want to see passion.
We want to see coaches getting mad. That's the fun stuff.
Coaches that are just kind of sitting there and not engaged with their team, that doesn't do anything for me. Oh, no.
Both of those are super engaged. I mean, so Bobby's first year at Buffalo, I think he got eight teams.
So I don't know if that led the country. It had to be pretty close.
It's like one, a team of four games. So I never had to coach a game.
He never got thrown out. He never got two in a game.
Now, then he went to Arizona State, and he got tossed against the Arizona. I think, was that the first Arizona game that he played? Yes, yes.
He was kind of inciting the crowd, getting them fired up because he's heading out the tunnel. So that never happened at Buffalo.
We kept him in every game. He just, you know, he'd get the first team, and then we'd make sure he stuck around for the rest of the game.
I never had to coach a game until I actually got the head job. But, no, I mean, they're both super passionate, love what they do.
And, shoot, I wouldn't be where I'm at if it wasn't for those guys. I mean, they gave me my start in the business.
So I'll always be indebted to both those brothers. I've always wondered how that works on a college basketball sideline because you see in college football a lot of times a coach will have their get-back guy, who's his only job is to like grab the back of the guy's belt and keep him on the sideline in college basketball you see a coach sometimes running out towards the scorer's table running out towards the officials but it's more of like all the assistants corral him and they like they surround him and start pushing back what would you say to him to get to get him to like you know call off the dogs for a second we need back on the bench.
How would you talk him down? I wouldn't – during the game, you just say, hey, Bob, we need you. Like, come on, man, like, we can't get tossed here.
Like, you know, but he's smart enough not to, you know, once you get the first tee, you know you can't get tossed. Like, so you got to – you can't go too much overboard.
Now, I think he got really emotional in the Arizona game down there. He was pretty good.
I did sit down in his office once and try to tell him, like, Bob, like a lot of these refs are my age. Like I grew up.
I mean, you know, I don't know if idolizes the right word. I mean, I'm working for the guy now.
So I don't know that I use that word. But like, I grew up watching you you play and, like, really, you know, looked up to you.
Like, maybe if you chopped it up with these refs before the game, like, they'd probably think the same way about you as me. Like, maybe we'll get a couple calls, you know? Like, Bobby Early's pretty cool.
So, I think he tried that until the first call went wrong. And then he's like, that's not for me.
I don't want to be nice to him. I've also liked your suits this year because a lot of coaches have really kind of – they've tampered it down a little bit.
They got permission to wear sweats, and now they're like wearing bathrobes and stuff out there. Your plaid coats I think are the best in college basketball right now.
Like a nice loud plaid. You don't see it that much anymore.
It kind of looks like a 1980 1980s almost like a uh what's his name uh herb uh herb brooks type type suit um how many how many plaid jackets do you have in store you're gonna break one out for this tournament yeah i got i got we got a i brought seven of them along so we we got enough for all the games but big cat did he just say i dress like i'm in the 80s did i read that wrong or? Yeah, no, you did. No, it's actually a high compliment for me.
Oh, you're an 80s guy. I just love the plaid jackets.
I don't think no one wears them anymore. What I meant by that is like back in the 80s, that's what the coaches wore.
And I thought that is 1980s coaches in both the NFL and in basketball. I think that's the pinnacle of fashion.
Yeah, so I didn't do it at Buffalo. I just wore the suits.
When I got to Alabama, if you guys go back, remember Wim Sanderson? They used to call it the Plaid Palace. So I borrowed one of Wim's suits.
You probably find a picture for the first, like, of a tight tip-off deal, whatever they call it, like the Midnight Madness, but it's not midnight anymore. So I borrowed one of his, and then I was like, you know what? Back when I was a high school coach in Buffalo, I didn't get the tailored suit.
You buy them off the rack. Now I get paid a little bit more money.
So I got a tailored guy. He started making me a few plaid sport coats, and we rocked it.
So I was with the bathrobes and the other stuff they're wearing for the first half of the season. It's ironic you call it bathrobes.
Some of them are a little oversized, right? Some of them need to get their polos fitted a little tighter, right? Is there anyone in particular you're thinking of when you say that? I'm a coach. I'm not going to call out the other guy.
You at least told me you're two guys in the SEC, so I wouldn't say anything stupid about them.

And you've already referenced a couple of my foot-and-mouth comments.

So, I'm not – you're not going to get me into another one here.

Your Coach K thing was not foot-and-mouth, by the way.

We said the same thing, and everyone thought it was great.

So, you don't – that doesn't count.

Yeah.

That doesn't count.

You're just new school.

All right, all right.

I'm with one.

Yeah, new school, old school.

I didn't look – I wanted the season to go. I liked my team.
We needed to play a season. Yeah.
All right. new school.
Yeah, new school. Look, I wanted the season to go.

I liked my team.

We needed to play a season.

So, hold on.

Let's not talk about shutting the season down.

We need the season to go on.

That was part of the other reason I went to the sport coach, too.

I'm so ready for everything to get back to normal.

Like, we lost a game.

It was like a great excuse.

I'm like, that's it.

I'm going back to the sport coach.

Let's get back to normal as soon as we can get back to normal.

Yeah, it would make sense that a coach that's confident that they have a good team would want to continue to play as many games as possible, which is why you made that comment about what Coach K said about his team, which may or may not have fit in that same category as Alabama's team. Wink, wink.
I get it. With Syracuse, then Jim Boeheim kind of had Coach K's back because I think they're best friends.
And he actually, he gave you a compliment I don't think that he intended to give you. He was like, we've got this young guy out here running off at the mile.
He called you young. Well, I'm a little younger than he is.
Yeah. I was actually, look, so Boeheim – so I know Bayhom enough.
I mean, I was in Buffalo. He's in Syracuse.
So we did a golf outing together. Like, we – and, again, I get what he was doing.
Like, I get it. I mean, those guys are buddies.
I think they coached in the Olympic team together. And he was – maybe – and, look, and I talked to Kay about it too.
So I'm – you know, Bobby worked for Kay, so we had that whole thing going on. But I did see the Bayhom comment.
I look and I talked to Kay about it too so I'm you know Bobby worked for Kay so we had that whole thing going on but I did see the Bayon comment I look I'll say this about Bayon we played them my second to last year at Buffalo we were up with three minutes to go in the game and and probably should have beat him ended up losing a tight one he ended up rescheduling us the next year which he didn't have to do and we went in there in there and beat him. So I give him some credit.
Everybody used to say he played the cupcake schedule. He scheduled us after we almost beat him.
Then we did go in there and beat him. So I'm one-on-one against him now, so we're all right.
He's in the Sweet 16. He's doing like Jim Bayhime things, right? Yeah, yeah.
Weekend of the tournament, everybody said he shouldn't be in. He somehow gets in, and next thing you know, he's in the Sweet 16.
It's true. He does it all the time.
Yeah. All right, my last question, and this has been great.
What is the key to winning in March? I saw a quote. I want you to just repeat it, but tell me what the key to winning in March is.
I mean, you want the dumb quote, or like you got to make more, you know, No, no, no. No, I think you said get your butt to the free throw line and quit avoiding contact.
I just like that. Listen, I don't know if that was the question, but that was an answer to some question.
We were not getting to the free throw line. I mean, look, you go back, your guy Moss, when we played at Arkansas, and you guys big on the shirt, like flipping the shirt off? Yes, love Yes.
Love it. Love it.
I don't know. I love it.
I don't think you like it. I sent some disdain, but I love it.
I didn't say that. I'm just wondering, like, I wanted, I wanted your take on it.
I can ask questions too. It's like, you know, like, but anyways, when we, when we, when we lost to them at their place, it was like the biggest free throw discrepancy in the last 10 years of the SEC.
It was like 43 to 8, I believe, at the free throw line. So everybody wanted to talk about how much we got screwed, like, you know, 35 more free throws than us.
And maybe we did. Who knows? But my thing to our team was, like, we're obviously not doing enough to get to the free throw line.
Like, we're not driving it hard enough. We're avoiding contact.
Like, that's soft. It's like, you know, like football guy, right? Like, you shouldn't be avoiding contact.
Like, drive the ball, get fouled, go to the free throw line, make it. So, we've been trying to get to the free throw line a lot more.
When you're hitting threes like we did last game, you might fall in love with the three a little better. Maybe you don't get to the free throw line as much.
But I do think free throws at the rim twos, kick out threes. That's what we're trying to get.
Well, if you don't get fouled, you can't shoot a free throw. And if you avoid contact, you're not going to get fouled.
So you've got to get to the free throw line. It's a big thing that drives me nuts at the end of games when teams have a last possession.
I'm always like, how do you dribble around and then take a fadeaway three when if you go to the if you go to the rack there's a good chance they're going to call a whistle if there's any contact there at the end of the game so like go make something happen yeah I'm with you you gotta put some pressure on your defense and the referees both in those situations so yeah I forgot I made that I don't know what the question was but I did say that and I that that's my thought, I like it. That's how you win in March.
Yeah, it was actually at Buffalo. You said, quit avoiding contact, get your butt to the free throw line.
Soft teams can't win in March. There you go.
I didn't remember. That was a Buffalo quote.
I had a few quotes at Buffalo. Yeah, anyways.
Yeah, it's a good quote. It's a good quote.
Well, this has been awesome. Good luck on Sunday.
Again, we're not – like I'm rooting for – well, no, you know what? You're behind Arkansas now because you count as a Big Ten team. You already said that that counts.
So there's enough Big Ten. We're going to be a Big Ten.
Yeah. I mean, the Big Ten – they ended up with one team in the Sweet 16 after nine teams in the – Two.
You guys count. You guys count.
You know what? Can I ask you something then, Coach? Why don't we talk about the Big 12? Everyone talks about how great the Big 12 was. Big 12 only has one team left too.
That's a good point. There you go.
I don't know what happened. Also, the Pac-12 was – Yeah, I would say – The Pac-12 was supposed to be down and they got four.
Yeah. UCLA should count as a Big 10 team too.
Yeah. Who's the other Big 10 team? What were you saying? UCLA's account is a Big Ten team.
I mean, Mick Cronin, Cincinnati guy, he's from the state of Ohio. And that's Big Ten style.
Yes, definitely. They're the Big Ten of Los Angeles.
Yep. More so than USC.
Mick Cronin's teams are always hard-nosed, tough. We get to play against them.
I mean, I'm not – Shoot, I played against them when he was at Cincinnati. I was at Buffalo.
It wasn't fun either. But I think this year was harder because there wasn't as many non-conference games with all the COVID stuff.
So everybody didn't get to see how good everybody... And the Pac-12 started I think later than most leagues.
So maybe they were better than everybody thought all year. They got four teams in the Sweet 16.
Yeah, yeah. No, it's true.
Well, thanks so much, Coach. Good luck on Sunday.
Either way, like we just said, UCLA versus Alabama, no matter what, the Big Ten's going to win. So, you know, it'll be a great game.
I like it how you guys just adopt teams. It's easy adoption.
Yes. They got some kind of connection.
Yes. Big 10 team.
It's this weekend. Yes.
All right. Thanks so much.
Thanks coach. All right.
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All right, let's wrap it up. Fire Fest of the week.
Hank, your Fire Fest, please. This one's pretty serious.
It's been a tough day, I guess, trying to deal with it, my emotions, everything that's going on. But Chrissy Teigen deleted her Twitter.
Yeah. RIP to a real one.
Fuck. It's too bad.
Damn. Celebs.
Basically the reason I joined Twitter. Yeah, same.
It's given me life. Mm-hmm.
So many times. Tweet after tweet.
I printed some out. I've got some hung up in my apartment.
Mm-hmm. You're Teigeniac.
And I just don't know what I'm going to do without her. Yeah.
No, that's hard. What was the breaking point for her? I don't know.
I think she had a bunch of old tweets that seemed like she was a pedophile. Yeah, people thought that she was eating babies.
Yeah, that seemed like... As soon as the internet decides that you're part of a Hollywood baby-eating cult, it's probably a good time to be like, all right, you know what, I got enough money, I don't have to be on Twitter.
Yeah, she used to live tweet. Well, I think it was she used to live tweet toddlers and tiaras, and then those out of context didn't look great.
There's been a record number of people accused of eating babies this year. Yeah.
It's a big year. It also makes...
Besides the Jonathan Swift modest proposal year, this has got to be like... We've set world records for accusing people of just uh just snacking on infants i also just the all the people who spend their entire time online uh trying to uncover big big like pedophile rings and baby eating cults i feel like they're eating babies it's a strange accusation to make yeah like if you're like hey you're a baby eater a baby eater.
It's like, ah, you're a baby eater, dude. I've never thought about eating a baby.
Jumping straight into baby eating. It's like, let's start with just smelling babies.
Right. Your baby smeller.
It's a, it's a, it me thinks the lady doth protest too much when you accuse others of eating babies online. I also have a, it would be hilarious if she was like that really, it would be hilarious if Chrissy Teigen had any sense of the moment.
She would have been like I'm leaving Twitter for good to focus on my life's work eating babies. She makes a cake and it's just you know those extremely realistic cakes.
Just a baby slices into it. This has just been sidetracking what I'm really passionate about, and that is harvesting young children's blood.

Sticking a straw into a baby like a Capri Sun.

Oh, Jesus.

I also have a gas leak in my apartment.

Oh.

From your ass?

That's good.

That's tough, Hank.

Seriously?

I don't know.

Yeah, I called it in this morning.

I waited all morning and then shook my apartment. You called it in?

Well, I called my building. Karen move.
It's a big time. I was all morning and didn't show up for my apartment.
You called it in? Well, I called my building.

It's a big time.

Can you guys check out if my apartment's going to blow up?

They didn't show up before I left.

I think they're hopefully going to have gone by the time I get home.

We'll see.

So maybe I'll blow up tonight.

Who knows?

If I do, I just want to be on record.

That would be fucking hilarious if Hank blew up tonight after saying that.

Hank, make sure to put the podcast out before you get home.

Please. Is it up yet before you get home.
Please.

Is it up yet?

No.

Okay.

Okay.

Is that it?

Yep.

My Fire Fest.

I would imagine one last thing on Hank blowing up.

Imagine Hank blows up and there's just a big rubble,

and then they find him because Normie's dick is sticking out of the rubble,

and then they get them both and they both survive.

That would be sweet.

That would be awesome.

Yeah.

That would.

My Fire Fest of the week is I learned more about my elevator fiasco and it's, it's a lot worse than I initially thought. So they're going to be replacing.
I think I said they were going to be replacing it for the next like couple of days. Yeah.
It takes a while. Apparently it could take months to replace my elevator, which is complete bullshit.
Now I'm like anti elevator entirely. I'd like to see more apartment complexes that have...
What about escalators? Why don't we have escalators instead of staircases in apartment buildings? That, to me, seems like a much more functional alternative. That takes up a lot of space.
Same amount as the stairs. I've got stairs.
No. No.
Escalators and stairs? No. They're about the same size.
Think about a up and down stairs. Yeah, I know what you're saying.
Yeah. But do you know, like visualize an escalator.
Okay. And now visualize, like it's a staircase that winds around and goes up.
That takes up far less space than an escalator that has to go straight up. No, like in movie theaters, you go up and then you get on the next one and it goes up.
That takes up way more space than a single shaft, like, stairs. No, I'm saying- Are we having the same conversation? No, no.
I'm saying a single shaft of stairs. I don't know if your stairs- Do you live in, like, at the top of a castle where- No, but most staircases- A lady with long hair is in a spiral? What are you talking about? Most staircases have, like, you go up, like, six steps and you turn the corner, you go up six steps.
That's what I want, except I want the stairs to move. Yeah, I think that would take up way too much space.
I don't know. But the bottom line is my escalating situation is going to be awful for the next couple months.
Am I allowed to just tell my landlord that I'm not moving out? Just don't pay your rent. I'm not paying rent and I'm not moving.
I don't want to move out on stairs. Yeah, just don't pay your rent.
All right. We're going on a rent strike, fellas.
There we go. Until Hank's gas leak gets fixed.
Or he blows up. Or he blows up and until well, technically that would fix it.
Yeah. Well, you know, my family has a bad history with elevators.
That's true. My great grandfather, R.I.P., had an elevator land on his head, died.
Yeah, that's scary. Like it runs in my family.
Yes, absolutely. All right.
My Fyre Fest is, it just, sweatshirt weather's over, and it's fucking snuck up on me. Was not ready for that.
You still do sweatshirts and shorts? No, it's going to be 90 tomorrow. Oh, it's going to be 90.
No, 80. Sorry, it's going to be 80 tomorrow.
80 tomorrow. In New York? And I have to wear a T-shirt, and I am not in T-shirt shape.
That's crazy. Yeah.
See? It came too fast. Yeah.
I thought I would have all of April to maybe lose a few pounds. Turns out I don't.
Also, the Suez Canal shit is funny. It's very funny.
That's the ultimate fire fest. Imagine being the captain of that ship right now.
You've got to be like, this is an all-time fucker. I still don't know how they just don't push it.
It's in water. I have a couple ideas on how to fix it.
would be you just like cowboys, you wrangle up a bunch of whales that are in the ocean, and then you steer all the whales into the canal and just make all the whales run into the ship and get like 20 whales hitting the ship at once to dislodge it. I feel like that's a foolproof plan.
Eventually, they're just going to have to blow it up. Eventually, someone's just going to launch a missile at it.
They have to take it apart piece by piece. Yeah, I mean, you think it's shutting down like 10% of the world's seafaring trade right now.
Yeah. They're going to drop a bomb on it if it's not fixed within a week.
That's my prediction. I can't believe it's not out already.
It's crazy. Billy, I'm sure you know.
It's actually terrible. Yeah.
Especially for vaccine distribution to Southeast Asia. Oh, damn.
Billy, you were getting pretty woke on it earlier. I like if you wanted to fuck up oil prices and all sorts of stuff, you'd pull a little prank like that.
A prank? Yeah. Just a prank? Little thing.
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, I thought they were just going to, it was just going to be fixed.
I thought it was one of those funny things like haha boat got stuck everyone tweets the same austin powers gif and then 24 hours later like

ah boat's free i just think good to go i just think it's interesting that this hasn't happened

like multiple times every single day right like a boat going sideways feels like our one flaw in

designing this very important canal is that if a boat steers to the left uh then vaccines don't

reach india for three months yeah just make it bigger't we just make that shit bigger? Make it bigger. Make it deeper.
What if they pour more water into it and then that lifts the boat up? Refloat it? Yeah, it gets further up. Just leave a garden hose running? Yeah, just everybody in Egypt go to the Suez Canal and take a piss in it.
Sit and wait

and hope it can be towed. I'm reading an article about it

now. It's called the Suez, the type of cargo

ship it is, the Suez Max.

So it's the largest boat.

Empire State Building is how

big it is. Yeah.
It's crazy.

That's a pretty big canal. Huge boat.

Billy?

I've had a pretty good week. I have a little bit of

like an allergy cough, but besides that, I'm doing great.

Allergies?

Yeah.

Nothing else?

I got antibodies.

That's true.

Sounds like you're really prepared for your fire fest this week.

Antibodies.

Crew, what's up?

I was trying to think about it.

Your car smells.

That's your fire fest.

Yeah, my car does smell.

Billy drove me in today in his car.

I still can't really smell out my nose.

Okay, that's also.

Yeah.

But that's the deviated septum. Buckled.
Buckled septum. Did you see Jose Canseco's shoulder? Yeah, that whole thing, it's just getting weird.
It's almost like he took a dive. No, it's not like...
It's just... Now I have to fight again.
Oh, you want to fight Jose again? No, not him. I'm not going to fight him.
Who are you going to fight? Because he's got two reconstructed shoulders by the time. You should fight him again and just make him say, don't give him any money unless he wins.
Fight him again. Don't even put it as the main event.
Put it in the middle of the card. Just kick his ass.
He's just not fit to fight at all. Well, you beat him up so bad.
No, he was before that. I mean, you fucked him up.
And now I have these legal hands that aren't even that good that are just going to get me in trouble. Your fire fest is, Billy's probably going to go to jail and sit in the electric chair because he gets into a fight.
Yeah. You think that your life is like in your head, you're Nicolas Cage from Con Air.
Oh, 100%. Where it's like you're going to defend a woman's honor in a bar fight and then be wrongfully put in jail for like 10 years and then have to take over a plane and land it in Las Vegas.
Yeah, because of a professional boxing match I did when I was 21. Yeah, against Jose Canseco who took a dive.
Yeah. Jake, you want to end it with a fire fest? Yeah, so obviously we came back from Chicago earlier this week.
We got a bunch of gear. PFT was generous enough to make that this is Marsh gear and the orange sweatshirts for Team Orange, and I tried stuffing them all in my luggage and my zipper broke.
Oh, dude. That's tough.
I got a bag if you need one. That's brutal.
Yeah. That is brutal.
So you're going to have to travel again with a broken zipper. Yeah, or go get a new one tomorrow.
We'll see. Anything good happen this week? Yeah.
Like what? Syracuse made the Sweet 16. Mm-hmm.
Got to interview Buddy Boeheim. It was a lot of fun anything else how are you feeling just about uh just your health traveling is your health cool with covid pandemic stop okay all right here we go numbers 30 8 18 8 is due certain fish eggs can travel through ducks' digestive systems,

and that is how fish get to different ponds that are isolated,

like in a golf course.

Love you guys.

Outro Music Thank you. Needless to say.
I won't say it. But I'll be stumbling away.
It's early learning but life is okay. Say after me.
It's better to be safe than sorry. Say after me.
It's better to be safe than sorry Say after me I feel better to be safe than sorry

Take on me

Take me on

I'll be gone

In a day of dream. All the things that you say isn't a lot of love.
a claim over is a way. You are the things I've got to remember.
Are you shying away? Well, I'll be coming for you anyway. Are you shying away? Well, I'll be coming for you anyway.
Take on me Take me on I'll become You're dead I'll become

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