Super Bowl 55 Preview With Kurt Warner, Jose Canseco & Rough and Rowdy 13

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Speaker 1 On today's Pardon My Take:

Speaker 1 Billy football versus Jose Conseco, rough and rowdy 13. We're in Charlestown, West Virginia right now.

Speaker 1 And also there's a big game on Sunday, which we're going to talk about, give you some props, talk to Hall of Famer Kurt Warner about. And then we have Jose Conseco on the show.

Speaker 1 Jose Conseiko on the show.

Speaker 1 It was wild. It was wild.
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Speaker 1 We're about, what, 60 feet away from where it's all going to go down tonight? We should have taped it in the ring. We should have taped it in the ring.
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Speaker 1 February 5th, Rough and Rowdy 13, Super Bowl 55.

Speaker 1 Holy shit, we're here. Charlestown, West Virginia.
The best sports weekend of the year. It is because we have the biggest fight coming up.
Maybe.

Speaker 1 In a matter of hours, we have Jose Conseiko coming up on this show. We have Billy Football sitting with us right now.
We have Kurt Warner Hall of Famer talking about the big game.

Speaker 1 I'm going to put this up there right now. This is going to be one of our best shows ever.
But let's start with talking. I don't know why I keep saying the big game.
You could say fucking Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl. Everything's Super this post.
It's Super Super Bowl weekend.

Speaker 1 So, Super Bowl. Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Where do you want to start? Does that trigger you, Roger Goodell? Super Bowl. Hey, Roger.
Bitch. Fuck you, dude.
Super Bowl. He gave the state of the league address today.
He did? To no one?

Speaker 1 Well, usually it's like Roger Goodell is saying, we've got concussions under control yet again for the fifth season in a row. We've solved them.
But this year, actually, I was thinking about that.

Speaker 1 The NFL has really not had to even say the word concussion for the last year. COVID was

Speaker 1 nice enough to show up

Speaker 1 and basically put concussions in the back seat. Yeah, but I guess he just said, hey, we did it.
We got through the season without a death. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, he should have just gone up there like Cuomo and had a PowerPoint been, it just said, concussions. And then he just underneath it says, haven't heard a lot about these recently.
Solved. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Credit to me.
It's going to be a fun weekend. I'm still on the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 I've thought about Tom Brady. I've given consideration to that because I saw that this was a debate going on.
If Tom Brady wins the Super Bowl, is he then the greatest goat of all time? Oh.

Speaker 1 The Athletic was debating who's the goatest goat. Sorting.
Secretary. Well, exactly.
Secretariat. It's got to be.
American Pharaoh. It has to be Secretariat.
Dude, Serena Williams.

Speaker 1 Serene Williams, also, yes. Yeah, but they're saying that would put him over Jordan.
And I do think that that counts. Like, if Patrick Mahomes loses to Brady, then he will have to win.

Speaker 1 Then two more Super Bowls to supersede Brady eventually.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I'm staying on the Chiefs. I'm not taking my eye off the ball.
I'm also staying on the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 I've looked at this game a million different ways. I had my momentary Tuesday.

Speaker 1 I was like, ooh, I kind of like the Bucs going through the Chiefs' offensive line issues and the Bucs how good their defense is.

Speaker 1 And like, if you actually look at it, the DVOA, which, you know, I'm sorry to get nerdy on everyone. The Bucs have

Speaker 1 higher, both their sides, offense and defense.

Speaker 1 I think the offense isn't as high as the Chiefs, but their defense is significantly better than the Chiefs' defense. I don't care.
I don't want to feel dumb.

Speaker 1 This is the feel-dumb Super Bowl, by the way, because if the Bucs win, you're going to feel really stupid being like, oh, crap, I bet against Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 And if the Chiefs win and you bet on the Bucs, you're going to be like, oh, crap, why the hell did I bet against Patrick Mahomes? So no matter what, someone's coming out stupid.

Speaker 1 I would just rather not continually be stupid with Patrick Mahomes and this crazy run that he's been on in the last couple of years, three years.

Speaker 1 And wasn't it against the Bucs earlier this season where Tyreek Hill had 200 yards in one quarter? Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 I would feel so dumb if I completely forgot forgot about that.

Speaker 1 The Chiefs killed him. It was only a three-point game.
I know that sounds crazy, but it really was.

Speaker 1 Remember that game the first half? They absolutely crushed them. And the Chiefs did the thing for the last two months where they let everyone come back in games and they didn't cover spreads.

Speaker 1 That one was a push.

Speaker 1 Hank, are you okay?

Speaker 1 I'm nervous about you.

Speaker 1 He's been smoking a lot of weed. Just in general.
What? I'm just nervous about you. How much? Like, I don't, I'm not worried about your cough, but you have had a cough.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it's... You were negative this morning.
Right. I've been negative all week.
It's kind of one of those things where colds still exist in this world, in this COVID world.

Speaker 1 Do you have a cold?

Speaker 1 I don't feel 100%.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Got it. But you are negative.
I have been testing negative this morning. Negative possible.
I'll test the negative this morning as well. That's right.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 where were we? Oh, the Chiefs. Not overthinking the Chiefs.
The Chiefs. If the Chiefs win this game.
Patrick Mahomes will have two Super Bowls before having his 10th loss in the NFL. God damn it.

Speaker 1 How stupid is that? That's dumb. That is why I'm stupid.
I can't bet against them.

Speaker 1 When they're at their peak, they're better than the Bucs at their peak. Yes.
It's a peakoff.

Speaker 1 And, okay, so here's my strategy. We're going to talk about props in a second.
Here's my strategy. I think

Speaker 1 I'm going to bet the over, but this is definitely a game. Most Super Bowls are like this, where the first quarter is a little bit slow.
This is a hammer the live over.

Speaker 1 game.

Speaker 1 It also is,

Speaker 1 I have the Chiefs, but if the Bucs go up or the Chiefs go up early, I think it's going to be somewhat of a close game at the end. Like, I don't really see a blowout.

Speaker 1 So it's also Hammer the Live Underdog game.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you're calling your shot right now, which is the first five, ten minutes of the game, low scoring, and then you're going to wait to bet the over. Correct.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I'm going to bet it anyway. Uh-huh.
But I'm saying there might be an opportunity with how Super Bowls usually go. Billy, can you stop breathing so heavy?

Speaker 1 Breathe away from the mic, Billy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It really is, like, right here. I don't know what.
Billy also, like, we're doing a podcast, and Billy's just hanging out on his phone.

Speaker 1 You were. You didn't even know we started.
I didn't know who we started. Vika, you have to understand, Billy's getting a lot of traction on social media right now.

Speaker 1 He's got the scroll. Sorry, I'm going buyRNR.com.
BuyRNR.com. No, it's buyRnR.com.
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Speaker 1 I do think it will start a little bit slow, and then we hammer the live over again. You know what I'm breaking out again? I don't think I've done this at all this year.

Speaker 1 I'm taking the over for field goals. Over three and a half field goals.
Oh, you want a field goal prop? Let's do do some props. Let's talk some props.

Speaker 1 Okay, so these are all in the Barstruel sports book. If you're in Pennsylvania or Michigan, all the other states will be there soon.
Don't you worry. Illinois, I'm looking at you.

Speaker 1 But if you're in Pennsylvania or Michigan, make sure you bet these. Let me start with this.
I have a very special, not doing a can't-lose parlay because it is a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 I don't want to ruin the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl is not about the can't-lose parlay, it's about the Super Bowl. So this is simply the props that Big Cat is playing parlayed that will attempt to not lose.
Okay.

Speaker 1 How's that? TPT B C I P

Speaker 1 E A N L. And this is going to be, I don't have the final odds on it.
It's going to be somewhere like plus 600-ish.

Speaker 1 Travis Kelsey touchdown. That's happening, right? We all agree.
I'm hammering every Travis Kelsey. That one can't lose.
Tom Brady over a half of an interception. So he's got to throw one.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I think he's going to throw. I think Tom Brady's going to play well, but I also think he's going to take his shots.
And like it,

Speaker 1 I don't think even one interception would be like, oh, you had a bad game. He's just going to throw an interception.
Honey Badger's going to get one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Second half, highest scoring, which goes to what I was saying about a slow start. And then this is my favorite prop in the Barsville Sportsbook app.

Speaker 1 This is much like betting corner kicks in soccer in case, or runs, hits, and errors, in case there aren't points. Over 799.5 net offensive yards.
Okay, so you're just hoping for yards. Yards.

Speaker 1 Yards is super easy to root for. Yards.
Because it's then, like, if there's a 10-yard completion, boom, yards. Yards.
Yards.

Speaker 1 Yards. Yeah.
Here's a couple other ones that I have, and then we'll go do yours. Vita Vea touchdown prop will be live.
I'm going to bet that. I think that might be the trick play.

Speaker 1 Field goal or extra point to hit an upright. Harrison Bucker's done it.
I tried to get the

Speaker 1 in there?

Speaker 1 You're trying to just reclaim. You're trying to make it so that every time a field goal hits an upright, you get a rush of ecstasy instead of one of agony.
Well, it's plus 375.

Speaker 1 And when everyone just starts tweeting me doink, I'll be like, fuck you. I just cashed it.
Exactly. That's what you're doing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that one is, I'm betting that. Tyreek Hill, longest play from scrimmage will be live.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is, but I'm going to take it because that is another one where it's like a rush of excitement. And it's never over.
And it can be a run or a pass.

Speaker 1 This one's going to be live. Either quarterback to throw five or more touchdowns.
That's going to be fun. So you're just...

Speaker 1 Okay, wow. Right? That's going to be good odds.

Speaker 1 Opening kickoff touchback. Does Chad Henney count?

Speaker 1 Well, I do actually have this. I'm going to bet over...

Speaker 1 These are your bets, PFT. These are the ones that you should love.

Speaker 1 Over

Speaker 1 2.5.

Speaker 1 Total players to complete a pass. Yep.
Plus 215.

Speaker 1 Okay?

Speaker 1 And here's... I'm not going to say the word can't lose.
If you have a gambling problem, 1800 gambler. I'm not going to say the word can't lose.
But these are correlated because I like this as well.

Speaker 1 This is the PFT special. It is.

Speaker 1 Where the fuck is it? I fucking wrote it down. Oh, any quarterback to throw a forward pass after a lateral.
Okay. Plus 225 is used.
Wait, a quarterback to throw a forward pass after a lateral.

Speaker 1 It's a flea flicker. Right.
During the play. It could be a flea flicker.
Right. It could be

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 uh some sort of reverse with a toss back to tom brady

Speaker 1 you know what i really want to 25 pft i want to take the over on tom brady half a reception i i think that so bruce arians is a guy who um studier surprisingly has a very long memory when it comes to some things and you know that tom brady has been like i really wish i could have had that playback where it's like i can fucking throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time the drop that he had when he got cucked later on in that game by nick fools that one's been haunting him.

Speaker 1 I think they're going to throw a past to Tom Brady. I also am taking

Speaker 1 the playoff Lenny bet,

Speaker 1 playoff Lenny to score a touchdown. Yep, our guy.

Speaker 1 He's family now. He is family.
I can't not bet him after he's come on the show like that. And then there's another really interesting one.
I'm looking it up right now. It is

Speaker 1 the jersey number of the first touchdown score. Yes.
Over 25.5, under 25.5.

Speaker 1 You know what? I want to give this bet to Jake. Yeah, Jake, find out that for us.
Jake, no, I just want, you tell me,

Speaker 1 I'll put a $250 bet in for you. It's yours if you win it, but

Speaker 1 are you going to take over or under 25.5?

Speaker 1 Under. Okay.
Under. So Tyreek Hill, that's a good one.
There we go.

Speaker 1 First touchdown score.

Speaker 1 Yeah. 87.
We also have Jake. In honor of Jake, we have the score of me bet up.
So you can bet, will there be a score of me, which is electric?

Speaker 1 My favorite bet, I think, is the outcome of the coin toss. Yes, so Tails Never Fails.
We've got it boosted where it's plus 100 on Tails and plus 100 on heads. Yes.
So

Speaker 1 I guess you win if you bet both of them. I don't know how math.
No, no, no, no. No, no, you don't lose anything.

Speaker 1 But I want to figure out who I'm betting on, because I usually go with Tails Never Fails. Tails Never Fails.
I know it rhymes. It rhymes.
All right, go ahead, flip it.

Speaker 1 I guarantee you.

Speaker 1 I've got a coin. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If it's heads, to beat the coin, I have to think like a coin. If it's heads, then I'm going to bet Tails.
If it's tails,

Speaker 1 tails means I'm betting heads. If you just flip his tails, you have to bet.
No, no, I'm letting the coin tell me. Tails never fails.
If it's heads, I'm betting tails. Okay.
Tails, I'm betting heads.

Speaker 1 It's going to be tails because tails never fails. It's tails.
I'm betting tails. There you go.
Tails never fails.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 if you want to bet heads, yeah, you could say it's a 50-50 proposition. But when it's tails and I tweet tails never fails, and everyone retweets it, you're going to feel like a big, fat dummy on

Speaker 1 you. Tails never fails rhymes.
It fucking rhymes. It's a sign.
Yeah. How could you, if you bet heads, yeah, you might win occasionally, but you feel like a real shithead.

Speaker 1 It's not as fun to be like, oh, heads, great,

Speaker 1 puts me to bed.

Speaker 1 There's no good rhyme. Yeah, it sucks.
It sucks.

Speaker 1 Rather be dead than heads. No, that's for tails.
That's also for Tails. Yeah, there we go.
Better dead than heads.

Speaker 1 I rode head. That's kind of fun to say.
Two other quick props that I love. Just fun ones.
Any ruling on the field overturned by a coach's challenge.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take yes plus 115 just because you're just hoping the refs fuck up. Yep.
And then a punt to be downed inside the five-yard line. Yes is plus 330.

Speaker 1 That's fun.

Speaker 1 The Chiefs punter doesn't get a lot of practice, though. I don't really care.

Speaker 1 That's one of those ones that you just forget you even have until the fourth quarter. You're like, oh, fuck, I forgot I had this.

Speaker 1 I'm also going to take the over on Scotty Miller touched or not Scotty Miller just yards yeah he'll get one for like 45 yards I would imagine Tom Brady is sliding Scotty Miller like a tape of of Julian Edelman from the Super Bowls that he was in being like

Speaker 1 this is what I want you to be yeah I'm so fucking excited it's gonna be such a great

Speaker 1 hot tip hot tip on Gatorade red I'm hearing orange oh my sources have told me orange red was not a hot tip red was just the tip that everyone is talking about so it's actually the anti-hot tip so red is overvalued, right?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm hammering orange. Hank, are you.

Speaker 1 Just start pencil packing cigarettes so you have a filter on there.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Bong life isn't for you.

Speaker 1 Let me hear from you real quick about this game.

Speaker 1 You're going biggest better your life on the bucks responsibly? Yep. I packed the vest.
That's all you need to know. Wow.

Speaker 1 Really? Yep. Man of vest is in the building.
Man of Vest Destiny. Yep.
Man invest.

Speaker 1 Better invest.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's a good investment.

Speaker 1 It's a good investment. There we go.
Better invest. Billy.
Crushing it. Billy,

Speaker 1 let's talk about you real quick. Yeah, let's talk about the fight.
Let's talk about the fight. How are you feeling mentally? I feel amazing.
I feel absolutely dangerous. Absolutely lethal.

Speaker 1 Dangerous to yourself? To others. Everyone around you? Not myself, others.
Should we be afraid of you right now? Yes. Oh,

Speaker 1 no.

Speaker 1 It's amazing.

Speaker 1 When was the last time you came?

Speaker 1 Eight days ago.

Speaker 1 What if you had a a wet dream? It would be,

Speaker 1 it wouldn't derail the progress. But that's your body kind of betraying you.
I would be very nervous if I were you.

Speaker 1 You put in all this time and you might just

Speaker 1 stick up your bed tonight. The past eight days just thinking about Jose Conseco negates has been

Speaker 1 a wet dream. Yeah, it's like thinking about baseball.

Speaker 1 So it's been eight days since you've nutted? Yes. You got a calendar?

Speaker 1 Wanted to participate with you. In solidarity, I did No Nut Groundhog Day.
Okay. So February 2nd.
Then it happens again. For support.
I did not come.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about the fight at the end of the show

Speaker 1 with our Fire Fest. Perfect.
Okay? Because I'm very excited for this. Dude.
BuyRNR.com. Billy's Dangerous.
Billy's Dangerous. Any other thoughts for the Super Bowl before

Speaker 1 we go to our interviews with Kurt Warner? We talk Super Bowl with him. Super Bowl prep, playing in the Super Bowl, awesome interview.
And then we have Jose Catego. Any other thoughts? Anyone else?

Speaker 1 I'm betting the Chiefs. I almost said I was betting the Bucks there.

Speaker 1 This one has tortured me. We got to talk about the national anthem, too.
I'm betting the over on that. If you bet the under, then that's very anti-patriotic.
Well, that's a duet.

Speaker 1 You're a terrorist if you bet the under and the national anthem. Why would you not want it to last longer?

Speaker 1 The only thing is they do get nerves, so they go faster, but we've had a streak of unders, and it's a duet this year. I don't think they get you.

Speaker 1 I don't think they get nerves, though, because there's usually like a backing track that's pre-recorded, and the tempo of that is set, unless the guy that's pushing play also has nerves, which is a possibility.

Speaker 1 That is true. Big stage.
Oh, the only other thing I had was, I don't know why ESPN did this, but I guess essentially they had

Speaker 1 CGI for Al Davis and Pete Roselle for the 30 for 30 it was tonight. So they had a CGI Al Davis.
Like hologram Tupac? Talking. That's pretty cool.
It's very nice. You know what they're doing?

Speaker 1 They're just testing that out because they have at least three shows on the air right now that don't feature Mike Greenberg. And so they're like,

Speaker 1 we need to get hologram technology so that we can put them on every channel at every hour. Yes, yes.
All right, let's get to our interview. We got Kurt Warner.
Awesome to talk to Kurt.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, Pro Football Hall of Famer. Super Bowl champion.
It is Kurt Warner. He's on the NFL network.
He's an analyst on the NFL network.

Speaker 1 You can see him game day morning at 9 a.m. Eastern.

Speaker 1 He's also launching Quarterback Confidential, a video-based membership-only website that will delve into the various aspects of learning, viewing, and coaching the game of football and feature video tutorials.

Speaker 1 Now, Kurt, I'm reading this. Is this for guys like us too, or do we have to be quarterbacks?

Speaker 1 Can we go on this site and become better, knowledgeable, more knowledgeable football guys?

Speaker 5 Without a doubt. Now, you know, everything I do kind of comes from a quarterback perspective because to me, that's how I see the game.
And I think every part of the game ties into the quarterback.

Speaker 5 So a lot of the stuff will come from a quarterback perspective. But yes, this is going to be for fans, for coaches, for players.

Speaker 5 There'll be basically five components. So it'll be building your football IQ.
And so anybody that wants to learn the game from that perspective.

Speaker 5 When I go out on the field, it will be more from a quarterback perspective. I'll go inside a playbook to show people

Speaker 5 what makes a good play and how do you piece that together.

Speaker 5 I don't know if you guys follow me on social media, but I've been doing some of these things that I call study ball, which is kind of going into the film room and breaking down NFL film and play concepts and players.

Speaker 5 So that'll be a part of it. And then I'll have a component where I kind of share my...
journey a little bit and kind of the mental, the mindset that goes in to being great at anything.

Speaker 5 And so it'll have all kinds of components, no matter where you're at in this, you know, the pendulum of, you a fan, a die-hard fan, you know, an average fan, or a guy that's just starting to play the position or learn the game or coach the game to somebody that's playing at the highest level.

Speaker 5 I think he'll have something for everybody.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. So everyone, go check it out at QB Confidential on Twitter and Instagram.

Speaker 1 So Kurt,

Speaker 1 we'll talk about everything, but I want to start with Super Bowl week.

Speaker 1 We've been discussing how there's a report that Tom Brady is locked himself in his home, no family. He's got 12 days of film study.

Speaker 1 He's going to find find things that you've never thought you could find in the film study. How, how, like, is there a diminishing return point of film study, especially Super Bowl week?

Speaker 1 You went to three Super Bowls, you won one. What's the prep like? And is there a point where it's like, hey, I know what I know.
I got to walk away from this.

Speaker 5 It's a great question. And I would just say you really have to know who you are as a player.

Speaker 5 And so, you know, from one standpoint, like Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning was the best I've ever seen at playing the game before the ball was ever snapped like understanding all these nuances of what the other team did and you know they're giving away something so i'm going to check to the right play at the right time and i'm going to tear you apart because i'm really good before the snap me personally i was much better after the snap like i want to see what you do and then i'm great at reacting and going to the right guy and doing the right thing after I see what you're doing.

Speaker 5 So I'm going to go back to my first year in the NFL. And so you come into the NFL and you're like, okay, how do I prepare? Like, I don't know.
I just got here.

Speaker 5 You know, I don't know really what I'm supposed to do to get ready for a game. And so you have to learn what works for you.
And so early on, you know, I would watch a lot of film.

Speaker 5 Like, well, everybody talks about watching a lot of film. So I'm going to watch a lot of film.
And I would watch the other team, right? I would watch players and what they do and what that team did.

Speaker 5 And I'm trying to get a little tell from this guy or that guy or the scheme that they run. And I remember watching the film of the New Orleans Saints.

Speaker 5 We were going to play them and I watched a specific corner and a team ran a slant against them and that corner jumped the slant and intercepted it. So I'm like, okay, got it.

Speaker 5 And I saw it on film, put it in the back of my mind. So we go into the game.
We call a slant. That corner's over there in the same position.
So I drop back and I go, haha, you're not going to get me.

Speaker 5 And I hesitate. Doesn't jump the slant.
My slant's open. I missed the slant because I'm late throwing the slant.

Speaker 5 And I remember thinking to myself, okay, never again, never again am I going to watch so much film that now I start thinking they're going to do something that they may not do.

Speaker 5 And that to me becomes, as you talk about that, kind of the law of diminishing returns where, oh my gosh, I've watched it so much that now it almost paralyzes me to think, oh, they're showing me this.

Speaker 5 They're going to definitely do what they did on film. And now I do something else.
Now, there are some teams that will show you something. You'll get a tell on film, and they always do that.

Speaker 5 There are other teams, kind of like I just talked about, where you just don't know. They might show you one thing and it looks exactly like what you saw on film.

Speaker 5 Now, all of a sudden, they're doing something different and you're caught off guard because you're so focused on what you saw on film.

Speaker 5 So, that becomes to me the fine balance of I want to watch enough.

Speaker 5 where I really know what's going on and what I'm seeing, but I don't want to watch so much that I start to have preconceived ideas of what I'm seeing.

Speaker 5 And again, that was for a guy like me that played the game very much after the snap. I think Tom Brady is more like me than Peyton Manning, where he's not always trying to check into the right play.

Speaker 5 He's trying to see what you do and then react positively to it.

Speaker 5 So, yeah,

Speaker 5 it's going to be fascinating to watch because the Chiefs do a lot of things defensively. They gave him lots of problems in the first game, especially early with all these different looks.

Speaker 5 So maybe, you know, maybe he is able to pick something up or a couple things up that help him react better early in the game.

Speaker 5 But that to me was my experience that I always had to be careful of not doing too much because then it would change the way that I perceived a situation.

Speaker 5 And I really wanted to just trust my eyes when I played the game.

Speaker 1 Interesting. So we talk a lot about the offenses, obviously, because we have Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes, two of the best quarterbacks or most talented that we've ever seen play.

Speaker 1 But I'm starting to hear more talk about the defenses, but it's always in the vein of the Bucs' defense is underrated or the Chiefs' defense is underrated.

Speaker 1 So I guess now the question is like, which defense is most underrated? Like, which defense do you think has the edge in this matchup?

Speaker 5 I'm going to say the Chiefs' defense.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 it's kind of twofold because you have to look at the defense in and of themselves, but you also have to look at the offense that they're playing against.

Speaker 5 And so the hardest thing about this Chiefs offense is how fast they are. Like, you can be really good,

Speaker 5 but very few defenses are going to be as fast as this Chiefs offense. You know, we got fast linebackers.
You know, we got good secondary guys that we like. They're not as fast as the Chiefs are.

Speaker 5 And so that to me is where you get a distinct advantage in this game because with the Chiefs, they do so many great things by throwing the ball quick.

Speaker 5 So you have to come up and get in their face because otherwise they'll just pick you apart and get the ball out of their hands.

Speaker 5 But we saw in the first game, you come up and press Tyreek Hill, and he can go for 200 yards and a quarter against you. And so I like the Chiefs because they are more multiple.

Speaker 5 They'll give you more looks and more blitz looks. They're more flexible with their safeties and guys like Tyron Matthew.

Speaker 5 But I also believe when you look at the Bucs wide receivers, they're not as explosive as the Chiefs receivers.

Speaker 5 And so I think the Chiefs' defensive backs match up better from an athletic standpoint against these Bucs receivers.

Speaker 5 They can get up and challenge them more because they don't feel like Tyreek Hill is going to catch for 200 yards against them. Mike Evans isn't going to necessarily run by you over and over again.

Speaker 5 Antonio Brown is not going to do that. Even though they can make big plays, it's different.
So I give

Speaker 5 the slight advantage to the Chiefs because of complexity. and because of who they're facing and how they match up.

Speaker 1 Interesting. So we do, we like to, you know, we're pretty smart football guys.
We often talk about the most important player on a a team might not be the best player on the team.

Speaker 1 So my question for you is on the greatest show on turf offense, that Rams offense, who was the most important player? Who's the guy who, if he went out, everything would fall apart very quickly

Speaker 1 and maybe was the guy that the straw that stirred the drink, so to speak?

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, yeah, if you're picking, like we, we were very talented. So, you know, we were able to kind of overcome, you know, most guys because we had enough talent.

Speaker 5 But if there was one guy that changed the complexion of everything that we did, it was Marshall Falk.

Speaker 5 Because

Speaker 5 especially at that time, he was such a distinct mismatch. And I kind of feel in today's game,

Speaker 5 it's more of a tight end.

Speaker 5 But even if you have a good receiving back, those positions are

Speaker 5 the biggest matchup problems for another team. And back in that day,

Speaker 5 we did so many things with Marshall, and he was so versatile. He could run routes like a wide receiver.

Speaker 5 He could beat corners if you put a corner on him. He was just a mismatch problem and he was so smart that we moved him all over the place.

Speaker 5 So as talented as we were, we could win games without him, but without a doubt, he was A, the best player on our team. So he was the best player, but he was also the most important.

Speaker 5 So for us, it worked out really well that he was both of those things, but he is what stirred the drink back with the greatest show on turf.

Speaker 1 Okay, not to nitpick you because you obviously know football, but that's the incorrect answer. The most important player was Orlando Pace.
The best player was Marshall Falk.

Speaker 1 That's how you sound smart.

Speaker 5 Well, and I almost said that, but

Speaker 5 because Marshall was so good,

Speaker 5 I won't say that we didn't need Orlando because Orlando was, I mean, it was the, you know, he's a godsend for a quarterback because he locked down everybody over there.

Speaker 5 But we would get the ball out so quickly because we could do so much offensively that that's why I said Marshall.

Speaker 1 But you're exactly right. You're right.
Marshall Falk is, it's weird because he, you know, when people name the best running backs of all time, it's usually Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmett Smith.

Speaker 1 And Marshall Falk, like, he might not have the numbers of them, but if you watched him in his prime, he was every good as those guys.

Speaker 5 And he was more versatile than those guys.

Speaker 5 And that to me is what makes him so great. Like he, he was a three-down back, right?

Speaker 5 If you were in fourth and one and you were going to run between the tackles, you didn't take him off the field, right?

Speaker 5 If you were in a third down situation, you wanted to throw the football, you weren't taking him off the field. If you needed somebody to block a linebacker, you weren't taking him off the field.

Speaker 5 You never took this guy off the field because he was the best player at his position in every facet. Like, you know, you might see guys like,

Speaker 5 we see different guys in the league now and Alvin Kamara, a great player, but there's certain things they take him off the field for and put in somebody else because the other guy's better at those situations.

Speaker 5 There was no guy that was better than Marshall Falk at every situation on the football field.

Speaker 5 And that's why I say, you know, he belongs in that category with the greatest, even though he may not have had the rushing yards. that some of those guys did.

Speaker 5 He was just such a complete football player that it's what made him, you know, so, so, so, so special.

Speaker 5 So in terms of of the skilled positions out there would you say that that the chiefs are the closest to the greatest show on turf that we have right now in the NFL uh yeah I would I mean and probably the closest thing that we've seen since the greatest show on turf and the reason I say that is just because the ability to attack down the field the ability to stretch the field that is what we did so well that we We scared every defense because we had multiple guys that could score a touchdown on every single play.

Speaker 5 And that is how the Chiefs play, you know, and on top of it, it's how they play, right? They go for the jugular on every play.

Speaker 5 There is something designed in every pass play that they have to score a touchdown.

Speaker 5 Doesn't always work out that way, but they're looking to score a touchdown on every play and they push that envelope and they scare defenses. They make defenses play on their heels.

Speaker 5 And that's exactly how we played. And so, yeah, I don't think there's any question.
Just.

Speaker 1 The way that they play and the nature of how they're built, very, very similar to what we did back in uh you know back in the day in st louis so like big cat alluded to we are very smart football guys we're uh we we actually try to be meatheads more than we really are sometimes but it's something that we aspire to um our biggest criticism of the chiefs is that they get too cute sometimes do you think they get too cute um

Speaker 5 yeah i always think that that's kind of a catch 22

Speaker 5 because you know anytime that they get cute and it doesn't work our natural response is oh you got too cute

Speaker 5 but if you watch them specifically down inside the red zone and inside the 10 yard line they are so great at doing special unique different things as you're saying they get really cute down there

Speaker 5 but that cuteness is so tough to stop right because you have no idea what's going to happen down there so i ultimately think the too cute works in their benefit way more than it's a negative but yes there are definitely times you know i remember time earlier in the year i think it was on a fourth down where they did the little spin in the backfield and then they they handed it off and they tried to throw it back to mahomes and you're like come on it was fourth and one really yeah just hand the ball off and so yeah there's times they get too cute but i think it's it's in that that the beauty of Hey, you never know what they're going to do in any given situation that keeps teams on their heels.

Speaker 5 And they're usually successful with those things yeah they the first time they pull it out everybody's like oh my god what are they doing boom they hit you with something and then maybe if they pull it out a second or third time we say oh well you went to the well too many times but i do think that creativity is is a bigger benefit than it is a negative right so uh in your three super bowls how many times how many uh trick plays or something different like how many wrinkles do we and should we expect on sunday where would dick ramiel throw in something special like hey this is what we're gonna going to hit him with?

Speaker 1 How did that work?

Speaker 5 That's a good question. I'm trying to think back.
Now, I know when I was with Arizona, we had a bunch of trick plays leading up to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 We ran a flea flicker. We had a fake toss and they threw it back to me and they worked for touchdowns.
I don't remember doing anything in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 And I'm really, I don't remember anything really in any of my Super Bowls that you would say were trick plays, even though both teams I was on would run a lot of trick plays in the, in the course of, you know, kind of normal play.

Speaker 5 But we didn't pull out a whole lot, you know, you know, think back to Super Bowl 40 when the Steelers ran the reverse pass with, you know, Heinz Ward. And

Speaker 5 yeah, that's a great question. And I expect the Chiefs to do stuff.

Speaker 5 And I wouldn't be surprised if

Speaker 5 Tampa pulled out one or two. trick plays, a flea flicker or something.

Speaker 5 But yeah, I don't think I ever remember running any trick plays in our Super Bowls, which seems odd now that you bring it up because

Speaker 5 my teams used to do that. Mike Marsh used to deal up all kinds of those things, but I don't recall doing any of them in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 That's interesting because I always, maybe it's maybe it's like the Bill Cower Super Bowl. They used to be, they used to be like, there's going to be a gadget play.
Right.

Speaker 1 After they get past the 50-yard line, it always felt like an offensive coach would be like, all right, here's my breaking case of getting to a Super Bowl trick play.

Speaker 1 That like the one that they always hold back, that, that, you know, the Eagles in their Super Bowl against the Patriots, something that they'll write stories about forever.

Speaker 1 So that's interesting that you guys didn't have one. You guys were probably just good enough that you didn't have to have it.
I would be such a bad coach.

Speaker 5 We probably had them. I was going to say, we probably had them, you know, but like you said, maybe it just didn't play out where they got that one scenario to call it.

Speaker 5 But yeah, you're right. It would have been cool to have one of those fun plays that, you know, everybody remembers you for instead of a 101-yard interception return.

Speaker 5 But hey, who's you know,

Speaker 1 I would have been so bad as a head coach because if I had a play that I knew was gonna be like my break glass in case of Super Bowl play, I would use it like week two.

Speaker 1 You know, like it'd be like third and six. I'd be like, oh crap, we really have to get this.
And then I just waste all my stuff then.

Speaker 1 So playing for Dick Vermeal, have to ask, what is the smallest thing that you've ever seen him cry over?

Speaker 1 Good question.

Speaker 5 That is a good question.

Speaker 5 He was crying about everything.

Speaker 5 But I always tell the story when when I really kind of figured out who Dick Vermill was and that this might be an every week occurrence was we were in training camp one year and

Speaker 5 he brought us up into

Speaker 5 the group huddle after a practice. And he started talking about

Speaker 5 our fourth string tight end that he had to cut.

Speaker 5 I'm sitting there going and he's, you know, the tears start coming as he's talking about this guy in the middle of the group huddle. And it's like, that was a guy that hardly anybody knew.

Speaker 5 And he wasn't here very long. And everybody knew he wasn't going to make the team.
Yet, just the fact that he had to cut anybody, even knowing that that was part of his job,

Speaker 5 you started to get the sense that, oh, okay, I get who this guy is, is that he's more than just a football coach.

Speaker 5 He's an individual that truly cares about all those little things.

Speaker 5 And so that was kind of my first glimpse at, okay,

Speaker 5 this is what I need to expect. And

Speaker 5 nothing surprised you after that. You know, nothing surprised you that, you know, he would cry when you told him a story about your kids.

Speaker 5 You know, he would cry in situations where he had to release guys, obviously when he was happy. You know, when Trek got hurt, you know, that's the classic.
He's up on the podium crying.

Speaker 5 You know, and so it's just what endears everybody to him is that you realize that his biggest concern is you, you know, not winning a Super Bowl and not winning games, but you and your well-being and what's best for you and your family.

Speaker 5 And so just a phenomenal human being.

Speaker 5 But yes, we saw a lot of tears shed,

Speaker 5 you know, and there were times in the back of the room that we just kind of look at each other like, okay, where did this come from? And why is he crying right now?

Speaker 5 But it's what makes him so special. And to this day, I mean, he's just unbelievable, one of the most unbelievable human beings that I've ever met.

Speaker 1 Here's something that maybe will make me cry. Is this a true story that you were ready to try out for the Bears in 1997, but got bit by a spider on your elbow and couldn't do it?

Speaker 5 True story.

Speaker 1 True story.

Speaker 1 That's unreal.

Speaker 5 Well, but that's not the whole of it.

Speaker 1 Let me tell the story.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I will.
I'll tell you the story. So I'm playing arena football and obviously I'm waiting for my chance, right?

Speaker 5 I just want one one nfl team to call me and give me an opportunity so the bears called me and said hey we want to bring you in for a workout and i am like anytime any place i am in i'm coming so we set up a time for the workout and as soon as i get off the phone i go running into my wife and i'm like honey the bears they're bringing me in for a workout this friday i mean i'm flying i'm going right now And my wife just kind of gave me this look and I'm like, what's the problem here?

Speaker 5 Why are you not excited for me? We've been working for this forever. And she goes, dude, we're getting married on Saturday.
Blew off my whole wedding.

Speaker 5 Didn't even think about it because I just wanted to work out for the Bears. So I had to call the Bears back and say, okay, sorry.
I know it sounds stupid, but forgot all about my wedding.

Speaker 5 I can't work out this Friday, but any other time.

Speaker 5 So we worked out for the next week that I would go into Chicago and do it. So I went back and told my wife.
I'm like, all good. Have our wedding.
I'm going next week.

Speaker 5 Again, she gives me the look and I'm like, now what? We're going on our honeymoon next week. Yes, we are going on our honeymoon next week.

Speaker 5 I had to call the bears back a second time and tell them, okay, sorry, screwed up, but any other time, I promise you, I am in to work out. So went on our honeymoon.

Speaker 5 On the honeymoon is when they called to set up the workout. So I was going to come back on like a Sunday night or a Monday and going to work out for them on Tuesday or Wednesday of that week.

Speaker 5 The night before we left, we were in Jamaica. The night before we left our honeymoon,

Speaker 5 I woke up the next morning and my throwing elbow was swollen about the size of a grapefruit. And, you know, to this day, we still don't know what it was that bit me.

Speaker 5 They said maybe a centipede or a spider. They really don't know, but it swelled up the size of a grapefruit.
You know, I had fever, all this stuff.

Speaker 5 So, of course, I had to call the bears back and go, okay, you're not going to believe this. Yes, the first time it was my wedding, the second time it was my honeymoon.

Speaker 5 And now I got bit on my throwing elbow by something in Jamaica. And you can only imagine what was going on in the other end of the line, going,

Speaker 5 who is this dude? Like, we're trying to give him a chance to make it in the NFL. And this is what he comes up with three times.

Speaker 5 And so basically, you know, after that, they hung up and they never called back. And I never got the workout.

Speaker 5 And then about two weeks later is when I got the call from the Rams and flew in and did the workout. And they ended up signing me.
So

Speaker 5 I don't blame Chicago because, I mean, you can't make that stuff up.

Speaker 5 Like, it sounds like just a horrible, you know, sequence of events that some dude is just trying to get out of the workout for some reason.

Speaker 5 But that is how it played out and ultimately led to me being a part of the greatest show on turf and winning a Super Bowl in St. Louis.

Speaker 1 I can understand saying, like, I'm getting married this weekend.

Speaker 1 I would have delayed the honeymoon because then if you make the Bears, you've got more money to spend on maybe you get the presidential suite when you go to Jamaica on the honeymoon.

Speaker 1 So, you push that one.

Speaker 5 I had told my wife had waited five years. We had dated five years before I proposed to her.
So, I don't think she was postponing it for anything at that point.

Speaker 5 Even more money, even for a better honeymoon. She is like, we are doing this thing now.
Um, but you're right. Maybe I should have tried.
Well,

Speaker 5 I don't know if you're right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it worked out okay.

Speaker 1 It worked out in your favor, right? Yeah, no, if you had been on the bears, you would have, you would have probably gotten bit by even bigger spider, and it would have ended your entire career.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, who knows?

Speaker 1 Who knows? Yeah, so wait, I want to back up real quick. How did you forget that you were getting married next weekend?

Speaker 1 That seems like a pretty important, like you might have that on your refrigerator. Yeah,

Speaker 5 you're right. I mean, it seems stupid.
Like, how could I forget that? But when you've been, I mean, working for, I mean, basically that time.

Speaker 5 basically three years playing arena football, working in a grocery store, trying to get another opportunity.

Speaker 5 And all of a sudden out of the blue, the general manager for the Bears calls you or you get a call from your agent saying, hey, an NFL team wants to work you out.

Speaker 5 Everything else just kind of went out the window. And it was kind of just like, okay, I will do whatever they need me to do because I've been waiting for this opportunity for so long.

Speaker 5 But yeah,

Speaker 5 you're thinking exactly what my wife was thinking. Like, how is this possible? Like, you're more worried about a stupid workout than getting married to me.

Speaker 5 How do you forget that? But I don't know. I can't answer that question for you.
It was just one of those blackout moments where only thing I could see was Chicago Bears.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You mentioned the grocery store, and that's a story that gets talked about a lot with you.

Speaker 1 I've always wondered if that's like an overblown story, how long you're working there, or like how much you saw that as maybe being your career, how much time you spent on the job just thinking, like, one day I will be in the NFL.

Speaker 1 I know I can do it. So, what was that period in your life like?

Speaker 5 You're right. I mean, it wasn't like I I had taken a career in the supermarket business.

Speaker 5 It was like, you know, most of us, I'm sure you guys have had your experiences where things aren't lining up exactly like you want them to.

Speaker 5 And there's a period of time where you have to take a job to make ends meet. And, you know, my goal was, so I was dating my wife at the time and she has two kids from a previous marriage.

Speaker 5 So she was going to school all day. So I would watch the kids during the day.
And then I wanted to make sure I got my workouts in to stay ready. So I needed to get a job at night.

Speaker 5 And so that's why I ended up working in a grocery store.

Speaker 5 And it was probably just five or six months while I was, you know, I had gotten released by the Green Bay Packers and was just really trying to find another place to play.

Speaker 5 I was trying to play in Europe. I was hoping another NFL team would call and nobody called.
And so it was just one of those things where, hey, I've got to do something. I got to bring some money in.

Speaker 5 I got to make ends meet. But it wasn't like it was a three-year stint in a grocery store where I was moving up the ladder and becoming a manager and thought this was my career.

Speaker 5 I remember telling the people I was working with when we would have break time,

Speaker 5 hey,

Speaker 5 one day you're going to see me playing in the NFL.

Speaker 5 And of course,

Speaker 5 these guys are just like, come on, dude. Like, what are you talking about? You're never going to do that.
You're working in a grocery store. But,

Speaker 5 but no, my mind was still set on playing football. and just kind of looking for an opportunity.
So it is overblown a little bit, but man, it makes a great story, huh? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you wear the gloves while you were working there?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 5 those came much later, much later.

Speaker 1 So speaking of that story and how the NFL kind of was with quarterbacks where guys maybe got a longer leash or they got extra chances, and you're obviously doing your stuff now, quarterback confidential.

Speaker 1 What is it with the league today that it feels like there are both an abundance of quarterbacks out there?

Speaker 1 It feels like we have a ton of good quarterbacks, but also it feels like guys don't have three years to prove it. They have a year and maybe a little bit more.
Like they have 20 games.

Speaker 1 Why is the NFL switched so much? And like, do you think that's good or bad for quarterbacks coming in?

Speaker 5 Yeah, first and foremost, the game and the rules have changed to the point where

Speaker 5 you can have more quarterbacks and, you know, kind of, I don't know the right term that that play the position better or have better stats than ever.

Speaker 5 But i still don't believe that the league is full of great quarterback play and so you have to be able to delineate the two is that i mean you know i remember i think it was you know some point this past year where uh midway through the season there was 18 or 19 quarterbacks that were completing the ball at a rate higher than um than i did the years that I led the league in completion percentage.

Speaker 5 And so the game is played so differently, throwing at the line of scrimmage and, you know, receivers catching 10 balls a game and all these wide receiver screens.

Speaker 5 And so numbers get inflated and it looks like teams are playing better or quarterbacks are playing better because of the rules. But when you really break down the quarterback play,

Speaker 5 it's not necessarily as good as we've seen at times in the past. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And to your the second part of your question is that, yeah, I mean, I think you're 100% right, whether it's coaches or players that for whatever reason i mean the league has just become such a win now what have you done for me this year and so many decisions are made based on you know one bad year or you know

Speaker 5 a a session um you know a part of the season where you don't play up to what a team's seen you play at before and i think it's really hard i mean i think it's why there's lack of stability with so many of our organizations that can't really compete is because they never have the patience to bring along a quarterback or allow a coach to develop his own system and bring in the right players that fit what he wants to do.

Speaker 5 And so it seems like we've got every year, you know, what, seven or eight teams that you think, oh, they might win a championship.

Speaker 5 And then you have 20 some teams that you go, oh, we're not even considering them. Like they're never going to be there because there's so much instability at those two positions.

Speaker 5 And I think it's unfortunate that you know teams are giving up on guys and coaches way too quickly and deciding oh, they're not going to be any good instead of letting them kind of build what they want to build.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right, uh, we're going to let you go here in a second before you go. Um, we need to get your stone cold lock, your prediction for the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we're going to run this and uh make you sound really dumb. We'll probably repeat it on Monday when you're totally incorrect about what you pick.

Speaker 1 But what is what is your guaranteed pick for the Super Bowl?

Speaker 5 So, just winning pick.

Speaker 1 Is that all you need? Yeah, who do you think is going to win? Give me a score. Okay.

Speaker 5 Oh, I am going with the Chiefs in this one. Um, that you know, I know it's hard to go against Tom Brady and all the stuff that he's done.

Speaker 5 I just think the Chiefs are a better team, and I think they're more explosive. So, I am going with the Chiefs, and I will say that it will be a double-digit win

Speaker 5 for the Chiefs. Wow,

Speaker 1 how many, uh, hypothetically, how many total points do you think

Speaker 1 he scored?

Speaker 5 How many total points? I will put the Chiefs as

Speaker 5 mid-30s, Okay. And the Bucs probably

Speaker 5 kind of mid-20s.

Speaker 5 It may push high 30s to high 20s

Speaker 5 with that double digits. But I think there'll be a number of points scored in this game.
You know, I would put it up there in the 60s.

Speaker 1 Okay, I like that.

Speaker 5 60-some, 65

Speaker 1 points range. Yes.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Kurt, thank you so much.
This has been fun. You got to come back.

Speaker 1 We have a billion more questions.

Speaker 5 Hey, I love it. I love just talking ball and going in the weeds a little bit.
So you let me know when. I'd love to come back.

Speaker 1 Awesome. Thanks so much, man.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 5 All right, guys. Take care.
See you, man.

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Speaker 1 on tv what do you got fifty thousand i'm not betting fifty thousand dollars you're saying so talk is cheap i mean you're i don't have 20 000 you're you don't have do you have 2000

Speaker 1 five here we go five grand that i beat him easily

Speaker 1 okay so you have to knock him out easily so you have to knock him out whatever you want to say i'm going to beat him easily well it wait no no if you don't knock him out then you don't beat me if he runs around i'm not gonna be able to catch him obviously wait but that you just said you would beat him easily.

Speaker 1 Easily. Did I say I was going to knock him out? Do you speak English? What does easily mean? Do you speak English? Si, hablo, inglazi.
No, you don't speak English or Spanish properly.

Speaker 1 So you tell me what you're saying. Now, I'm trying to get into a vocabulary conversation with me.
You're not there yet. You're a good vocabulary conversation.
Absolutely. Don't even get that.

Speaker 1 You don't know me. You don't know me.
Nobody knows me. Okay.
So

Speaker 1 5,000, I'm going to beat him easily. I responsibly wager.
I don't wager beyond my means. Okay, please, I wager.
5,000. I would tell you, please do this.
5,000, I'm going to beat him easily.

Speaker 1 So you have to knock him out.

Speaker 1 If you knock him out, I'll give you $5,000. I don't say that.
Okay, you're going to give me $5,000. But But here's the key.
If he runs from me, I'm not going to chase him.

Speaker 1 Can you explain to us what I'm saying? What this bet is, though?

Speaker 1 I think I'm willing to do this bet, but I need to understand which

Speaker 1 knockout easily.

Speaker 1 Will you bet some money? As soon as you explain to me what knockout easily means, then we can talk. If you have a big baby, if you're a problem, Jose, call 1-800-gambler.
Do you ever know?

Speaker 1 I don't gamble. Okay, fine.
All right, because you have what you're saying. You literally just tried to bet us

Speaker 1 a million dollars. That's irresponsible, dude.
If you guys don't have to go, that's irresponsible. Because you backed out of a fight.
Well, okay, so let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 I said that I would fight for A-Rod's honor

Speaker 1 two years ago. I decided in December.
No, that's not true. I just.

Speaker 1 By the way, no, it's not. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 Why would I not fight you? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I didn't even contact you. I had to fight you.
The first contact I had in December. You can fight me now? No, I don't want to fight you.
And you call me a pussy, and I'm fine with you. You can't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's fine. As a matter of fact, you may have a better chance than Billy.
Maybe that's fine. At least you might.
You're a little hairier, at least. Thank you.
I appreciate that. He's only 215.

Speaker 1 I'm almost 270.

Speaker 1 Billy has wanted to fight in rough Morality for the last year.

Speaker 1 He is fighting a guy who's way bigger than him, who's been on steroids his entire life. I'm talking about you.
You don't know what I've been on, what I've been doing. I read your book.

Speaker 1 You have no idea. What are you doing? I looked at the words in your book.
You can read? Yeah, I looked at the words in your book. Did you read your book? Let's talk about your book.
I wrote my book.

Speaker 1 Did you read it? I wrote my book. I noticed that.
Answer the question. Did you read your book? Did you read my book? Did you read the whole question? No, it isn't.
You didn't read it. You wrote it.

Speaker 1 You looked at your 20 pages of pictures in the middle of the book.

Speaker 1 Where are we going with this guy? I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 Wait, first of all, let's set some ground rules. How do we know that you're really young? You know, you're very disrespectful for a young punk.

Speaker 1 I am a young punk. He's only 28.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're very disrespectful for a young kid.
And you know what? I said to you, I felt like a fight. And you backed out of a fight.

Speaker 1 As a matter of fact,

Speaker 1 let's do this. How about if I fight all three of you tomorrow? We're doing an interview right now.
How that works. I'm not laughing.
I'm not awful. I'm raising a question at the same time.

Speaker 1 And then you're going to answer the question. At the same time.
But we do MMA. How's that?

Speaker 1 Okay, sure. Yeah.
You laugh because you're scared. No, I don't know what you're talking about.
You have a fight ready to go tomorrow night. You're like, you're going to fight Billy Folk.

Speaker 1 This gets disrespectful.

Speaker 1 You backed out.

Speaker 1 You keep saying that, and I admit it. You're asking about steroids.
So where are you guys? Are you saying you didn't do steroids? Oh, of course I did. So can I actually ask a real question?

Speaker 1 You think I would look like a genetic freak if I didn't? Can we be cool for a second? I am being cool. You guys are the ones that attacked me.
So let's be cool for a second. Okay.

Speaker 1 How strong did you actually feel when you did steroids? Because, like, I've always wanted to, like, feel fucking strong. You can't measure it.
Really? No. How many years did you do steroids for?

Speaker 1 A long time. Did you do them after your career? Of course.
Do you still do them? Of course. Okay.
Okay. So

Speaker 1 it's called testosterone therapy.

Speaker 1 It's called testosterone therapy. I don't have low-T myself.
Secretary High T. Would you think about it? Recommended by doctors

Speaker 1 with a prescription. That's how you should be using it.
Okay. I don't know if you have low-T or not.
Would you recommend I should use steroids? I think everyone should use it at our age, for sure.

Speaker 1 At our age? At our age. So you and Big Cat.
Not you. You're young.
I mean, you're a little bit of a drink. I mean, obviously, you're young.
I don't think steroids can do anything for you. Tight body.

Speaker 1 My balls are too big. Like, if I did, actually, I should probably get on storage just to shrink my balls to like an acceptable.
Dude, please. Don't even go there.
Does it shrink your balls?

Speaker 1 You're just a kid.

Speaker 1 You're just a kid. What are your thoughts on Dogecoin? Let's talk.
Hey, listen. The adults are talking.
Let's see how the conversation is. What are your thoughts on Dogecoin? What's that? Dogecoin?

Speaker 1 What about Dogecoin? Are you in on it? No. Why? Because I don't like any type of investments.
I don't like the stock market. I don't like anything like that.
No. Okay.

Speaker 1 How do we know that you're actually you and you're not Ozzy?

Speaker 1 An adult type of conversation. Can we see your tattoo?

Speaker 1 Did you not see me take my shirt off? No, I didn't. Did you not see my tattoo? I didn't look at that.
Then rewind it and check it out. You're out on Dogecoin.
Car washes?

Speaker 1 Are we going to talk about the fight or car washes? Well, I would like to know. I'm trying to figure out how to get it.
Let me ask you a question. Where's A-Rod?

Speaker 1 A-Rod's probably in Miami. I mean, you vouch for the guy, you love the guy, you would fight me for the guy.
Where is he? Yeah, I took that back. back.
He took that back.

Speaker 1 He was fighting his own fights. I took that back.
I don't want to fight for A-rod. He's 6'3 ⁇ , 6'4 ⁇ .
He's about 240, 250. He's 10 years younger than I am.
Why isn't he fighting?

Speaker 1 Where'd your beef start with A-Rod? He knows. He knows what I'm talking about.
A-Rod, you know what I'm talking about. Who do you have the biggest beefs with?

Speaker 1 Not Billy. I actually like Billy, but it's sad that I'm going to have to...

Speaker 1 take care of him. What's your strategy? We were just saying actually a second ago that Billy and you, if you were left in a room together, you'd probably become best friends.
That's true.

Speaker 1 I like Billy. Yeah.
You guys just put him in a really bad position right now. Well, no, he wanted to fight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but the way you guys promoted this, the way you're Frank the Tank, whatever the

Speaker 1 problem with your

Speaker 1 pet bull. Well, he's getting real personal, like this guy's getting personal.
Okay, I just don't know what that is. And I tend to respect people until I lose respect for them.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Frank the Tank, just so you know, is like a fan favorite. So

Speaker 1 I don't know if you have any. I'm not a fan favorite, so what? Yeah, but I'm telling you, like, don't

Speaker 1 Frank tank off limits.

Speaker 1 You say so, reaching a degree. Oh, boy.
It's chaps.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what you're reaching for there. Jose, I tweeted at you earlier tonight, and I said that it smells like monster energy drink scented body spray and tanning oil.

Speaker 1 So Jose must be close by. You said

Speaker 1 that to your face. Hey, one out of three ain't bad.
It's baby on the bottom.

Speaker 1 I was wrong though. I was wrong.
I think you smell more like if the Irish Spring factory blew up. That's the vibe that I'm getting right here.
I never use Irish Spring.

Speaker 1 Or like an Armorall scented candle. Never in your life? No, incorrect.
Hmm. Have you never in your life used Irish spray? No.
Not once. I don't think so.
That's weird. But I did read your book.

Speaker 1 That's totally true. I actually thought it was a very interesting read.
I read about 10 years ago.

Speaker 1 My favorite part was the part about Madonna. Can you talk about how Madonna wanted to fuck you and then you were like, no, you're not hot enough?

Speaker 1 It wasn't about fucking anybody, it's about having children.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 She wanted to have, you know, my daughter's supermodel. So I breed super kids, obviously.
Right. I'm 6'4, 270 pounds super athlete.
Yeah. So I'm a genetic freak.

Speaker 1 So I've had plenty of women wanted to breed with me just for the kids. Okay.
True story. But why'd you say? Madonna.
Absolutely. Didn't find her attractive.
Did you read the book? I did, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's just an alpha move, though. There you go.

Speaker 1 What's not attractive about Madonna?

Speaker 1 For my personal taste, I didn't. What'd she taste? You're a titzer or an ass guy? No.

Speaker 1 Like me or Ditan?

Speaker 1 This is just a kid. Look at a conversation with

Speaker 1 an ass guy. You're an ass guy.
My legs and butt. Did you see that beautiful girl out there, that that ring girl? Casey? Is that oh my god, I'm in love with her.
Okay, just chill out, Jose. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, she's just trying to make a living doing the ring girl talking. She's beautiful.
I might marry her. One of my favorite, well, I like the title of your book.

Speaker 1 Your book was Juiced, Wild Times, Rampant Royds, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big.

Speaker 1 That's a bestseller right there based off the title of it. If you had to, let's say, like, fuck Mary Kill, Rampit Royds, Wild Times, and Smash Hits, which one would you fuck?

Speaker 1 What? Fuck Mary Kill, Rampant Roys, Smash Hits, and Wild Times. I wouldn't touch any of those like that.
I would fuck, I think, Wild Times. Wild Times, definitely.

Speaker 1 You would marry the steroids, the Rampant Roys.

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 1 Do you understand anything about PEDs? I do, yeah. Please explain.
Really? Technical breakdown that they're used for. Who created it? This is where you would be best friends.
Interesting.

Speaker 1 Billy loves them. Yeah.
No. No, Billy needs to get on.
No, he doesn't use them. He's a fan of them.
Like, he's a fan of studying PEDs.

Speaker 1 So, they're all chemicals, by the way. Okay.

Speaker 1 Simple chemicals. So, what would you recommend to a person in their mid-30s that's just looking to get in really good shape?

Speaker 1 What is a steroid that you would recommend? Like a steroid? No, you go see a doctor right away. A third prescription.

Speaker 1 Go see a low-teach specialist. And then the chronologist.
You have to see those. You have to talk to those guys.
Do you think you should be in the hall of fan? No. Why? Don't have the stats.

Speaker 1 I've said it a million times. Barry Bonds.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 all the steroid guys should be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 I think it's what you lack to understand is that there are probably 10 in the Hall of Fame right now that use PDs.

Speaker 1 A couple I injected myself. I won't mention who they are.
Give us one name, Jose. We got to fucking sell it.
The names are over. The names are over.
The names are over. That part of my life is over.

Speaker 1 So wait, but if you had 36 more home runs, that would put you at 500, right? So at that point, would you consider yourself a Hall of Famer? No.

Speaker 1 But the numbers are there at that point. Not for that era, no?

Speaker 1 Huh. Interesting.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like you did a good thing in retrospect, or do you feel guilty about writing that book and naming those things? What specifically are we talking about, a good thing?

Speaker 1 So like naming the names that you did in the book, saying like

Speaker 1 it wasn't a good thing. I regret doing it.
Really? No, it wasn't a good thing. Why?

Speaker 1 They were my friends. They were my teammates.

Speaker 1 My whole family got threatened. I got put in jail because of it.
I got put in jail for telling the truth. No, it wasn't a good thing.
I lost millions because of it.

Speaker 1 I'm detached from Major League Baseball completely. So, no, it wasn't a good thing.
Interesting.

Speaker 1 So, I noticed that in the book you said that you felt like you were blackballed and that they set you up for a positive drug test, right? Like 2002, 2003.

Speaker 1 Do you think

Speaker 1 they set you up for that? Do you think that somebody that's a whole nother story? We don't have enough time for that. Oh, we have as much time as you need.
No, we don't have enough of that.

Speaker 1 Give us one name. No.
One. What if we just said names? Mike Mucina.
Is he in the Hoffman?

Speaker 1 Is he? I think he just got inducted, right? Yeah, he might have. Is that...
I don't know. Tim Wakefield.
Is that who you're thinking? Definitely not. Okay.

Speaker 1 Guys, I'm not going to give you a name. Let's move on.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about something that I think we can bond over. Are you still actively searching for Sasquatch?

Speaker 1 You guys are funny. Do you guys believe everything I say? Yeah.
A lot of it is entertainment, guys.

Speaker 1 Now, this actually hurts my feelings because I was like, at the end of this whole thing, you know, you're fighting Billy. We've had the beef.
We're going to walk away and be like, hey, that was cool.

Speaker 1 We sold a bunch of fights. Let's go fucking find Sasquatch.
Are you saying that you're not down to find Sasquatch? No, I didn't say that. You didn't say specifically what you were talking about.

Speaker 1 You said Sasquatch, aliens, this and that, that, and this.

Speaker 1 I don't know. So which one are you going to hunt?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Are you down for any of them? Yes.
Okay. Sasquatch.
Sure. That's another thing you and Billy would bond over is Billy actually wants to go find, he's a big cryptozoologist guy.

Speaker 1 So I really do think that you will be best friends. You like fight, you'll punch each other in the face, and then you'll just hang out.
I've done that with people before, and yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 As a matter of fact, I'm old enough to be his grandfather.

Speaker 1 So I was talking today. I saw him an actual dinner.
I went up to his whole entire family. And when I got close, they were staring at me like, holy shit, what's Consego going to do here?

Speaker 1 Everyone literally stopped talking and was staring at me. And then, you know, it came to my head.
I said hi to Billy. He was very respectful, got up, shook my hand.

Speaker 1 On the way out, I said, No hard feelings, right? Everybody started laughing. But if you think about it this way, his parents grew up watching me play baseball.

Speaker 1 And I'm about to fight his 21-year-old kid. Yeah, that's got to be pretty crazy for them.
No, it's good. It's fun.
Well, not if I hurt the kid. No.
You got to deserve it.

Speaker 1 Anything can happen in boxing. When was the last time you were in a fight?

Speaker 1 What do you mean, a fight? punch people punch each other in the face there's a lot of yelling usually

Speaker 1 training your fist yeah sparring well no like an actual fight where you're trying to hurt the other guy

Speaker 1 a street fight here and there yeah

Speaker 1 oh

Speaker 1 how that's going up not well for the other guy oh okay okay uh what's your strategy tomorrow night

Speaker 1 i can't give it away No, no, no, we'll cut this part. Like, we won't say it.

Speaker 1 First of all, it's pretty simple. I'm going to overpower him.

Speaker 1 He's going to be faster. Not necessarily faster.

Speaker 1 He's going to move around the ring a lot.

Speaker 1 I hope he knows how to cover up.

Speaker 1 I hope I don't hit him too hard. When was the last time you got hit in the face?

Speaker 1 Probably my last fight with Hungman Choi 10 years ago. Okay, so it's been a while.
So you don't know what could happen when he hits you in the face. He could.

Speaker 1 Okay. It is fighting, after all.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But I don't think he has the

Speaker 1 outright torque or power to knock me out. He is pretty quick, though.

Speaker 1 He's got a lot of foot speed.

Speaker 1 He can move around pretty well. Not as fast as you, obviously.
I did.

Speaker 1 Remember that you claimed that you ran a 3940 back in the day? 42940. 429.
That's really fast. That's 30 years ago.

Speaker 1 You weren't even born back then.

Speaker 1 You're right, I was. That's true.
I was just a glint in my father's eye at that point. You're not born back then.
I was six years old.

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 what uh when you went 40 40 you didn't really know that 40 40 was a record right i didn't think it was a big deal that was that was actually you know what i'm gonna give you credit jose that was cool when you called your shot on 40 40.

Speaker 1 yeah i didn't think it was a big deal i thought it was done before i said

Speaker 1 um for six foot four 245 pounds i'm pretty fast that I can possibly do it. I said, I'm going to do it.
I did it. Do you have a favorite home run?

Speaker 1 I think the one I hit over the lights on Fenway. Never been done.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Remember when the ball went off your head and over the that was my twin brother.

Speaker 1 Okay, there he goes. That's funny.
That's fucking funny, dude.

Speaker 1 I don't care what people say. He could be funny sometimes.

Speaker 1 I didn't want to laugh at him. I told him not to play in that game.
I was feeling bad, and he wouldn't have played for me. That was my twin brother.
Well, all-time bad.

Speaker 1 What happened when you went back into the dugout after that?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 when I was in right field, my center fielder was laughing so bad, David Holtz, because I slammed up against the wall. I didn't realize it went over the fence.

Speaker 1 And I took my eyes off the ball for one second. By the time I went to pick it up, it was on top of me, slammed off my head.
I slammed into the wall, never felt it.

Speaker 1 I'm looking for the ball on the ground. And I looked to my right.
And the reason why I knew the ball I hit off my head was because David Holtz was on one knee laughing. literally laughing.

Speaker 1 So then that whole ending, we were looking at each other laughing. But I knew it was bad because when I got back to the dugout, the players were not going to let me forget about it.

Speaker 1 We had a series in New York, the next series. And I knew Yankee Stadium, the bleachers, and the right side, which are the cheap seats, they were going to let me have it forever.
So till today,

Speaker 1 I can say it's the most talked about blooper in history. It is the funniest blooper, I think, in the future.

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone can ever replicate that. No, no.
I was actually going to ask you if it hurt because it was

Speaker 1 such a hard-hit ball.

Speaker 1 It has to be to get that far out there but you just didn't feel anything at all no happened so fast did you get a call from Adonna afterwards like hey pregnancy pack over no I'll tell you another funny story

Speaker 1 I had met my second wife Jessica the day before that I invited her to the game she went to the game and saw that happen the first time she ever saw me play

Speaker 1 she didn't know much about baseball but she asked me Do players do that all the time I'll go yeah I do that all the time it's part of the game

Speaker 1 all right true story you played it off yeah do you uh that was funny do you think your playing style would translate better into today's game?

Speaker 1 Yes, because today's game is more swing and miss, strikeouts, home runs. Basically, home runs,

Speaker 1 you know, kind of predicate 80% of the actual games. You look at what's going on today, yeah, for sure.
Do you think you're misunderstood?

Speaker 1 It depends. on what you think about me.
Like if people, you know, people would say, I'm not saying this, but people say like, oh, scumbag. Hold on, wait.
Something, Some big thing is going through.

Speaker 1 People would say like, scumbag, jerk off, dildo, weirdo, jerkbag, cheetah, asshole.

Speaker 1 Like, you know,

Speaker 1 jerk off. Hawkface, stickhead.

Speaker 1 Do you think that's slap?

Speaker 1 Slap dick.

Speaker 1 Would you think that that would be misunderstood?

Speaker 1 I think it depends on the person. Yeah.
Of course, the individual.

Speaker 1 What type of time they spent with me. under what circumstance.
Depends. How would you describe yourself? Well, let's put it this way.
If you were going into the Hall of Fame and

Speaker 1 somebody's making an induction speech for you, they're introducing you. How do you think that person would describe you, as a ball player, as a person? Completely misunderstood.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 You had it right. We got there.
Misunderstood. Completely misunderstood.
How would you like to be understood? I don't want to be understood. I don't need to prove myself to anybody.

Speaker 1 My close friends and my family know who I am. That's all I need.
Do you tweet your own tweets?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Okay. So who tweets them?

Speaker 1 Some are mine and some are not. You got to figure out which are mine and which are not.
The hunting Sasquatch, is that you? That's mine. Okay.
What about.

Speaker 1 I'm really upset that you don't want to hunt Sasquatch. What about when you shot your finger off? I can't help but notice you have all your fingers.

Speaker 1 Oh, so that was... Oh.
Oh, he's giving us a finger.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 I shot this one off. How'd that happen? Cleaning four guns at once.
Oh. Very quickly.
Wow, that was smart. It wasn't smart.
You should only do three at a time. Fourth one at the same time.

Speaker 1 No, you shouldn't. No, you should be careful.
Whatever happened to your turtles?

Speaker 1 Gosh, how do you know about my... They're called tortoises.
Okay. What happened to your tortoises? Let me ask that question.
Hey, Jose, whatever happened to your tortoises? Perfect.

Speaker 1 I think I gave most of them away, and not all of them away. How? How could you do that?

Speaker 1 I've had them for a long time, moving from place to place. You just don't have the environment to handle them.
They need a specific environment, so you have to give them away.

Speaker 1 But they loved loved you.

Speaker 1 I know they told me that.

Speaker 1 They might have hated you because you are miserable. No, no, no.
They understood me completely. They might have been like, this guy's a fucking jerk off, Dylan.
No, they love me.

Speaker 1 They love me.

Speaker 1 Okay, what is a slap dick? It's fun to say. It sounds like.
You define it. I don't even know what a slap dick is.
I think it's like pornography. Like, you know it when you see it, you know, like slap.

Speaker 1 That's Jose Caneko, slap you. Slap your dick.
Other people would say that, not me. Again, do you slap your dick when you see me?

Speaker 1 No, I haven't done any dick tapping. I haven't done any dick tapping in a while.
That sounds like a slap dick to me. Yeah.
I didn't know you slapped your dick every time you saw me.

Speaker 1 Who is your favorite teammate you've ever had?

Speaker 1 Walt Weiss, Shorestaff for the Oakland A's. You guys got along real well? Yeah, great guy.
Was that because he was really good at injecting it? No, he never touched any of that stuff.

Speaker 1 Just a very nice guy, very respectful, great family. And I introduced him to his first wife.
His wife's first wife. Yeah, yeah.
His wife.

Speaker 1 Wait, his wife?

Speaker 1 Does he have a second wife? Well, we were on a double date. And believe it or not, he ended up marrying the girl I was dating that night.

Speaker 1 Ah, oh you got cucked by walt weiss no i didn't like the girl i said waltz why don't you take her you go out with her and he liked to end up getting married okay and they're still married i think so first wife is a strange way to put that but i respect it that implies it's something i'm guessing that he hasn't uh

Speaker 1 remarried on this okay who was your least favorite teammate

Speaker 1 i didn't have a least favorite teammate really i liked them all yeah Which guy, if you could pick any guy who you haven't talked to in 15 years because you've been outcast of Major League Baseball.

Speaker 1 What guy do you wish you could rekindle a friendship with? Mark Maguire. But it's been over 20 years now.
And you haven't spoken to him once? Nope. And if you were in the same room with him,

Speaker 1 how do you think that would go? Would you guys instantly just do the Bash Brothers now? No, I don't know. That would be fun.

Speaker 1 That'd be a good thing to see. I don't know.
I'm sure he may

Speaker 1 be pissed off at me because I talked about him, the steroid issue. But one guy, one guy would love to, if you can arrange it, will be Alex Rodriguez in the ring.
Yeah, I don't think I can.

Speaker 1 Please, if you can arrange that,

Speaker 1 I'll pay you everything I make that night.

Speaker 1 I need to teach that boy a lesson. You know what it's about, Alex.
You and I need to go in the ring. Stop being a bitch.
It's just, I'm more and more.

Speaker 1 The more that you keep saying that you know what it's about, the more I want to know what it's about.

Speaker 1 How do you not know what it's about? Tell us something.

Speaker 1 If you put your hand over the mic, say it. Can't hear you.
Oh, I thought you were watching my Twitter account. Have you guys not seen me tweet the issue about my ex-wife Jessica?

Speaker 1 I don't have the alerts. Well, then you know.
That's what it's about. I don't talk, I'm not talking about another man's ex-wife, whatever.
He's a scumbag. I don't like it.

Speaker 1 He was cheating on Jennifer Lopez. No, that's not confirmed.
Don't tell me what he was and wasn't doing. You don't tell me.
Don't tell me what he was and you. He wasn't doing it, okay? You don't.

Speaker 1 Don't tell me, please.

Speaker 1 I was there when it happened. You were hanging out with him?

Speaker 1 No, with Jessica. I was right there.
Okay, you don't tell me. Oh, please.
Oh, you please. Why do you protect him so much? I'm not really.
Do you like protecting liars?

Speaker 1 He's not a liar, so trick questions. But if you were lying, would you protect him?

Speaker 1 He would never lie, so tricky question. Oh, so he doesn't lie.

Speaker 1 Boy, you're demented. I mean, you're asking trick questions.
I'm answering them.

Speaker 1 I've always wondered why do you inject the steroids in the ass? Couldn't you just put it like anywhere else? The glute is one of the largest muscles in the body. Except you may not have an ass.

Speaker 1 I'm a looter. No, I got a big ass.
I'm missing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm thick like a bowl of oatmeal. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, you have a flat ass.

Speaker 1 Dude, you got your show.

Speaker 1 He's got a flat ass and it's red.

Speaker 1 And it's red and white.

Speaker 1 Full ass. At least it's my favorite colour.

Speaker 1 How deep did you get a needle into that? And that extra one? Sit down.

Speaker 1 Are you going to take serros before the fight? Like tomorrow? No. How often do you take the testosterone? How often do you take it? I think the doctor ingested one every 14 days.
Okay. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 So when was the last time you had one?

Speaker 1 A week ago, maybe. You feeling like a big, strong man from it? No, I feel the same as before.

Speaker 1 there's no, it doesn't work that way. It's not like a drug, like a liquor or marijuana or that kind of stuff that hits you instantly.
That's not the way it works, guys. How does it work?

Speaker 1 I'm actually curious.

Speaker 1 We don't have enough time for this show. So to explain to you the chemical buildup of PEDs.
Do you actually have to work out, or can you just take the steroids and you'll be strong?

Speaker 1 I think you have to work out in diet, yeah. Okay.
I don't like that. What's your diet like?

Speaker 1 I'm a genetic freak. I ate whatever I want.
Anything? Absolutely. So why don't you, tomorrow before the fight, you and I go out to dinner, all you can eat, Pizza Hut Buffet.

Speaker 1 I could do that. Let's fucking do it.

Speaker 1 As a matter of fact, I like to carve up before I fight. Yeah, so let's see who can eat more pizza.
Me or you? Well, I don't want to throw up in the middle of the ring. I mean,

Speaker 1 you're genetically. You're a very couple slot.
Yeah. Hey, you're genetic

Speaker 1 at all. Doesn't mean I can overeat and throw up like a slob.
I don't want to look like Frank. Oh, you don't have to.
Oh, I had to. I had to.

Speaker 1 Underhand sophomore. He's lost weight.
Underhand sophomore.

Speaker 1 Bullshit, Jose. You know it.

Speaker 1 I always hit it 500 feet. He drinks mostly.

Speaker 1 They want everything their weight. No, that's bullshit, Jose.
They want everything their weight. He's raw dog.
He's not even eating the fucking ball. And I'm proud of him.
I'm glad he lost 70 pounds.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Pretty good.

Speaker 1 You would be great friends with Frank. Frank's a fucking, he's a seam head.
He's a G. He loves baseball.
A seam head and a G. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 That's what, when you put a picture of Frank the Tang for a seam head. He's a fucking baseball fan.
Yeah. Oh, okay.
I think I might have invented that. I'm a a little old-fashioned guys.

Speaker 1 I don't know about seam heads. Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 it's just a way of doing it. You're most not being a seam head.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't like baseball much.

Speaker 1 Really? Why? I don't like sports in general.

Speaker 1 What is that? Why? I just don't.

Speaker 1 Like, did you fall out of love with them? I assume you would, at one point, love sports, love baseball at least.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I mean, I don't follow it, and I don't sit at home wasting away like a couch potato. just watching sports.
That feels directed towards me. Am I looking at you? Yeah, you are.

Speaker 1 Well, you don't look like a couch of potato. You look all right.
Oh, thank you. You want to feel like you?

Speaker 1 I don't know about you over here. I mean, how old are you? I'm 27.

Speaker 1 You should be in way better shape than me. I'm turning 28 last week.
I should be. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a long 20s.

Speaker 1 Like, I mean, if you're a blogger like me, that's actually harder on your body than being an athlete.

Speaker 1 I can see that. Yeah, I know it's tough.

Speaker 1 I can see where your job is hard. You know what, though? Like, I've considered taking steroids because I remember that you said in your book that...
Well, don't do it while you're blogging.

Speaker 1 You just sit in there. It's not going to work.
No, but you said that there's like a mental aspect to it, and it gives you the confidence of knowing that you're like a superhero.

Speaker 1 You're like Superman when you're on the juice.

Speaker 1 But people don't understand. You can't just inject the stuff and become a professional athlete or look like a bodybuilder.
It takes hours upon hours of work. Okay, like six?

Speaker 1 I used to work out six to eight hours a day, yeah.

Speaker 1 Between track and working out? Yeah, that's my workout. What do you bench right now? I don't lift them.

Speaker 1 Yes, you do. Pussy.
I don't. I'm a genetic freak.
I tell you, I don't need need to. I don't believe you.
What could you bench anything? I don't have to.

Speaker 1 Nothing. You can't bench anything? No.
I don't. Yeah.
No. 300? I really don't know.
250? I have no idea. 86.
I've never benched over 225 pounds. Really?

Speaker 1 40 times, but. You're right.
You are in a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 That's a fact.

Speaker 1 All right. Anything else? I mean, this has been a great interview.
Do you have any questions? Well, I've got to do it. I've enjoyed this.
I want to know if you can get A-Rock to fight.

Speaker 1 I don't think I can. How much power and authority do you have? Very, very little to none.
Actually, I'd say none. I thought you were the man here.

Speaker 1 You're talking about now A-Rod Corp, which is a subsidiary of My Life, and I am basically an intern there. So.

Speaker 1 There you go. So what do you mean? I can't get him.
You can talk A-Rod into getting to the... Tell him I'll fight him with one arm tied behind my back.
Which one? My right.

Speaker 1 I'll never hit him with my right arm. Dude, you fuck.
That's such a layup. You could have just said my dick.

Speaker 1 My third arm. Well,

Speaker 1 you screwed up. I tried to set you up, Jose, to make you look good, and you made yourself look bad.
No.

Speaker 1 Do you have any questions for us? He wants to fight A-Rod.

Speaker 1 I don't know what I can do. I'll ask.
Yeah, I don't want to fight you guys. Yeah, yeah.
You guys are cool. We talked you out of it.
Listen, I don't know. We never wanted to fight you guys.

Speaker 1 At the very start, you wouldn't be a fight.

Speaker 1 You might be a fight, but I don't want to be a fighter. You're not a nice guy.
I'm not going to be a fighter. I'm not a fighter and slow and pussy.

Speaker 1 How old are you now? 36. You guys are babies.
Yeah. We really are.
Well, we're not genetic freaks, Jose.

Speaker 1 We're not genetic freaks. We're freaks older than you guys.
That's embarrassing for you to say that you have that outdated furniture. No, maybe mine are outdated.
All right, so hey,

Speaker 1 let's do this, though, for real, Jose. For real.

Speaker 1 Because we started

Speaker 1 the podcast interview with a bet. Let's do this.
$1,000, me and you, straight-up barstool fund. Just $1,000 donation, all right? Got it.
If Billy wins, you donate $1,000. If Jose...

Speaker 1 If you don't want to win, you know that. But I will donate $1,000.
Don't wait for $1,000 to $200. I don't know.
I'm $2,000 or $1,000. To be honest, I like him and his family's here.

Speaker 1 I don't want to hurt him.

Speaker 1 And that's the honest Scottish truth. So don't.
Take a dive.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to take a dive either. A dive, Jose.
No, I'm going to beat him. I'm going to take a fucking self-respect.
I'm going to beat him. Take a dive.

Speaker 1 It just depends on what he does and how much I'm going to hurt him. Jose, if you take a dive, here's what we're going to do for you.
All right. You're going to give me A-Rock?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 If you, hold on, hold on. If you guarantee me

Speaker 1 I can fight A-Rock here in Barcelona, I will take a dive tomorrow. That's how bad I want that.
If you take a dive, we'll have you back on the show and we'll make you look awesome. Nope, I want a rod.

Speaker 1 I think you're going to look awesome out of this. I want a rod.
I think you're going to look okay. Yeah, you're going to look pretty good.

Speaker 1 Start out pretty hot. I want a rod.
How much dogecoin would it take for you to take a dive? No, I want a rod. Don't you get it? How many car walkers?

Speaker 1 I've known that kids he was a little bitch. What? Yeah.
Stop saying the B-word. You know what? You can't use the B-word here? Not on this show.
Really? No. But can you use fuck? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you can't use bitch. Yeah.
No. You cannot.
What kind of bullshit show is this? Yeah, you can use a bullshit. Why? Because we got fucking sponsors, dude.

Speaker 1 But you, oh, because some of your sponsors are bitches? No, god damn it. Stop saying that word.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't understand it. You can't say that word on the show.
So you can use fuck, which is much more.

Speaker 1 I can say, like, hey, Jose, you're a fuck stick, dildo, weird. I'm not a jerk off.
No, stop. We're going to have to bleep all these out.
These guys are music. You are serious? Are you fucking with me?

Speaker 1 No, we're dead serious. Are they fucking with me? Have you ever known?

Speaker 1 Dead serious. Dead serious.
It's literally the only word we can't use. Third rail.
It's sponsorship issue. Okay, because of the female demographic or something like that.
No, we have a...

Speaker 1 Have you ever heard of these dog toys that were made for female dogs, and we sponsor it?

Speaker 1 Okay, whatever. That's fine.
Choo-to-shoo.

Speaker 1 What can I call A-Rod?

Speaker 1 You don't have to sponsor it. Daddy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can call him

Speaker 1 Future Hall of Famer. Great businessman.

Speaker 1 Father.

Speaker 1 Well, he should be a man of the corp. He should be in the Hall of Famer.
There we go. Okay.
Now we found some. I tell it straight like it it is.
He should be in the Holly Fano. Okay.

Speaker 1 And you don't, did you really not have the numbers? I actually haven't looked through your numbers.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm being dead serious.

Speaker 1 He's almost at 500, which is what I was asking him.

Speaker 1 Listen, I don't have the numbers because I didn't play enough. I was injured too much.
I am 12th in the world with home runs per at bat ratio. That's not the point.
The point is,

Speaker 1 I was on the DL too much. I was hurt too much.
I had 11 surgeries while I was playing baseball. That's too much.
I still hit 462 home runs, but I really only played 15 years. That's it.

Speaker 1 That's all I played. A-Rod, by the way, played 23-24.

Speaker 1 So, now, if you would have done my home runs prep-bat ratio over a 24-year-old period, I would have had 760 home runs. Which if I would have stayed healthy, would have made you the home run king.

Speaker 1 Easily. So, do the numbers.

Speaker 1 All I ask is do the numbers. Don't go back.
Do the numbers. Okay.
Do the home runs prep bat, the ratio. Then give me 23 years at 600 plate appears.
It gives me about 750 home runs. Okay.

Speaker 1 Hall of favor, Jose Conseco. No.
Use your Hall of Famer. No, because we.

Speaker 1 Hall of Famer if you didn't get hurt.

Speaker 1 We made the Hall very good. All a very gooder, Jose Conseco.

Speaker 1 Do you... See, I don't qualify.
Do you think the steroids? I'm the honest guy you're ever going to meet. I don't qualify.
I don't have the stats. I didn't play enough.
I was too injured. There you go.

Speaker 1 Okay. Do you think the steroids made you injured?

Speaker 1 No, I think 6'4, 245 pounds running a 4-2-9-40 did. But that you're genetic.

Speaker 1 How do you get hurt if you're genetic-free? You still take a pounding. Yeah.
You still take a pounding. You try sliding and playing outfield the way I did.
You still take a pounding.

Speaker 1 It's still hard on your body. Did they still have the greeny coffee when you were playing?

Speaker 1 In the beginning, yes. What was that like? I bet it was awesome.
I did it one time, and I'll tell you what. I tried it one time.
I think I had a triple.

Speaker 1 When I was on third base, my mouth was so dry I could barely breathe. Never touched it again.
But after the greeny period came out, the steroid era came in.

Speaker 1 Remember, steroid era replaced the cocaine, the drinking and the greening era steroid era replaced that era you some might say that the steroid era is actually safer

Speaker 1 if you do it properly

Speaker 1 by with the right supervision use the right chemicals the right combination and the right diet yes okay any regrets

Speaker 1 we all have regrets I wish I would have never used steroids. I wish I would have never gotten married the first time.
I wish I would have never written a book.

Speaker 1 We all have regrets. At my age, I have a lot of regrets, sure.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Anything that you're really glad that you did? I had a beautiful daughter,

Speaker 1 which I'm going to fight her boyfriend next. Who's that? Logan Paul.
Oh. Yeah, this is kind of the qualifier.
But I heard a rumor, so I think this is why you don't like Frank the Tank.

Speaker 1 Is it true that if you lose to Billy, then Frank the Tank gets to date me. Don't worry about it.
But Frank the Tank gets to date the date. If I lose to Billy, Frank can have my daughter for a night.

Speaker 1 I'll let. Wow.
Okay. But what happens if I beat Billy?

Speaker 1 You can have Frank for a night.

Speaker 1 I already like this guy. He's way better than you.

Speaker 1 Then again, he's the boss. He's your boss, right? No.
No, he's not my boss. What? I'm an intern at A-Rod Corp.

Speaker 1 Wait a minute. Who's the boss here? No, there is no boss.
How can that be possible? We don't have a boss. There has to be a boss.

Speaker 1 I mean, Dave is our boss. He's not here.
He has to be a captain.

Speaker 1 Dave is our boss. That's the producer.
Yeah, that's our producer. Where? Hank.
Oh, so you're the boss. What's your name? Hank's the boss.

Speaker 1 Hank is the boss, people. Jake is the boss.
These two are just a little intern peons.

Speaker 1 And I'm talking to these guys. And Jake's the boss.
Jake, want to do the interview?

Speaker 1 Want to hang out with me tonight? Jake's right. Jake, sir.
Jake's right.

Speaker 1 Oh, this one. Yeah.
I thought you said this one. No, no.
Hank is

Speaker 1 the producer. Jake also.

Speaker 1 So you're both Hank and Jay are producers. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're their little

Speaker 1 ICCHs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we can't say that word.

Speaker 1 These guys are all right. Yeah, you know what, Jose? I don't, I don't, I never really disliked you.

Speaker 1 I mean, i think you just like a rod too much you like liars not again i don't know why that how when you say you like liars and i like a rod i don't know how those two things go together like what a person does not tell the truth okay

Speaker 1 but why would you say a rod's not a liar he always tells the truth keep believing that he always tells you living a dream world okay all right all right i'm living the dream you're right world i'm living the dream world I'm living the dream world.

Speaker 1 We'll do this all fucking night, Jose. Dream world.
Seriously, though, we gotta, I do want to find Squash with you. Dream World.
So, like, put all this shit in the middle of the middle.

Speaker 1 You and I gotta go for it. You gotta make me part of this show.
Listen, after I beat Billy, I'll fight for you guys. You bring anybody you want, and I'll tear them up.

Speaker 1 I actually might tell you that. So you have to bring A-Rod.
You gotta bring A-R-R-R-R-R-A-N-A-R-O-R.

Speaker 1 You guys in on that? Yeah, I might. I do.
You need a podcast enforcer. Yeah, you might.

Speaker 1 You need a guy like me who tells the truth all the time. Shit.
You know what? How it is all the time. If he beats Billy.
And can fight everybody and beat him all up all the time.

Speaker 1 You are our new Billy footballer. And you do know a lot more about steroids than him.
And that's kind of the only reason we have to do it.

Speaker 1 I know more about steroids than most doctors, most endocrinologists. Believe me when I tell you that.
Okay. All right.
Well, worst of luck tomorrow night. Billy's going to kick your ass.

Speaker 1 No, I'm serious. Billy's going to kick your ass.
But you know what, Jose? When Billy kicks your ass, don't worry. I'll say nice things about you.
We all can dream. So it's $2,000 to $1,000.

Speaker 1 To the barstool fund. All right, that's one to one.

Speaker 1 No, no, we're going to donate $2,000, so we'll just donate $1,000. I'm going to donate it awesome.
All right? Perfect. And the Frank part of the bet.
But yeah, we'll talk about that later.

Speaker 1 Well, that's.

Speaker 1 Till I get Frank. Okay, I'll take Frank.
Yeah. Okay.
All right. Thank you, Jose.
All right, guys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up. Remember, buyrnr.com.
That was a wild interview with Jose Konseko. Billy, we don't like him, but

Speaker 1 you would be best friends with him because your interests are pretty much exactly the same, and that's PEDs, working out, and just being dudes. Yeah, I think we'd have a great podcast.
Yes,

Speaker 1 that's true.

Speaker 1 Fuck, dude, if this meet up.

Speaker 1 Imagine if we just, it actually would be great. Sidebar PFT?

Speaker 1 Just for a second.

Speaker 1 billy would move to vegas so we would

Speaker 1 oh yeah

Speaker 1 billy you should totally do a podcast

Speaker 1 i believe in you yeah oh sweet yeah you guys would actually get along swimming dude he wants to go find bigfoot i want to go find i think no he thinks

Speaker 1 he thinks that you're sweet yeah he does like in a in a cool way like yeah no dude guys guys like seriously like i've been playing like a choir boy around him and like being like oh like hi like nice to meet you don't give up your yeah but this isn't gonna air in time for him to know i'm gonna skull fuck him oh yeah you're right Yeah, he's not going to be afraid.

Speaker 1 He's not going to fucking listen to you. Yeah, no, no.
I don't think he can't read or listen. No one's going to read out of it.
Dude, I'm absolutely going to skull fuck him. Like, no doubt.
He's tiny.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, yeah, he looks big. He's 200 tiny mouths.

Speaker 1 But I just care about the frame.

Speaker 1 I just care about the frame. He has a smaller frame than I thought.
Okay. Okay.
He's less reaching. Billy came.
We did the weigh-in, and Billy was like, came back.

Speaker 1 Ear to ear and was just like, I feel so confident. Like, what, what, what changed? He's like, he's not as tall as I thought he was.
So, we're back to:

Speaker 1 if you're tall, you win a fight, and if you're short, you lose. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that was Nate Robinson. Respect mask.
Yeah. I see his mask, but I think it's mostly non-functional.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's do Fire Fest and then we'll wrap up with some parting words about the fight.
Hank, you want to do Fire Fest?

Speaker 1 Yes. Besides, you're sick and going to die.
Yes. I mean,

Speaker 1 that's a very valid one.

Speaker 1 Let me just. Bronchitis.
Switch to 3G, man. First of all, play barstool.com if you want to bet on Billy.
We didn't mention that.

Speaker 1 One second. I lost my...
Okay, should I just go? Yeah, go, Peter. Hank, we'll circle back to you.
Yeah, yeah. Circle back.

Speaker 1 My fire. I got it.
I got it. I got it.

Speaker 1 Wait, Hank, let's circle back to Hank.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to be able to watch a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 What? You're talking about John Clinton. Because Direct TV and Cox TV can't reach a deal for Channel 7 Seattle.
I've been to 45 Super Bowls, missing my first since 1983.

Speaker 1 Low cast has problems connecting. I'm in the Hall of Fame, and DirecTV is shutting us out.

Speaker 1 So this is actually my Firefest because

Speaker 1 I haven't been able to help John Clayton, and he just actually. That's a tweet from John Clayton for those of you.
He just casually threw in, I'm a Hall of Famer, just in the middle of that tweet.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 If you have to pick a time to use it, this is the time.

Speaker 1 He's been to, what, 45 Super Bowls?

Speaker 1 This is a job for Sean Salisbury. If you guys are actually best friends, if this has been like a

Speaker 1 lifelong commitment that you guys have had to each other, your brother's from another mother, I expect Sean to step in and to try to do the skull fucking. Just throwing in I'm a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 I mean, that is...

Speaker 1 Listen. If you're a Hall of Famer, there's a lot of perks coming your way.
You know, you could sign autographs forever. People want to talk about you.

Speaker 1 People will always introduce you as a Hall of Famer. But really, when it comes down to it,

Speaker 1 the number one perk is when you're complaining about your cable provider you can casually slip in I'm a Hall of Famer in that tweet and John Clayton's old enough where he's not there's no joking there's no no no no

Speaker 1 no he just actually tweeted 10 minutes ago saying try to the site but it doesn't have a login John Clayton John we can help you at locust with your streaming visit helpcenter.locus.org and enter your login address we have technicians standing by tonight so I think he just copied and pasted an email he got huh okay he's lost it's problem John there's this thing called the internet and it's got certain websites on it that you can go to and watch TV on your computer.

Speaker 1 I think that John Clayton would not illegally stream the Super Bowl, though. I think he respects the institution too much.
Yeah, yeah, this is...

Speaker 1 We need John Clayton needs the fucking Super Bowl, guys. He's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 I don't want to freak out. If you're John Clayton's neighbor, you know if you're John Clayton's neighbor, first of all.

Speaker 1 That's not like some guy that you don't recognize. He's a guy that's blasting Slayers.
He's got that sweet ponytail. Invite him over to your house.
Just give him your house, actually.

Speaker 1 Like, I I don't want him to get sick. I don't want him to be at a group party with a bunch of people.
Invite him over. Give him your house.
Take one for the team. It's the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 It's John Clayton. Agreed.
He's a Hall of Famer. He's a Hall of Famer.
Give him Dominion in your house. Go somewhere else and watch it.
We need to solve this immediately. He's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 Aha, PFT, your Fire Fest. My Fire Fest of the week is: I just found out that OJ got the vaccine before I did.
What?

Speaker 1 He's old. O.J.
Simpson got vaccinated. I know technically he falls into a high-risk category.
Everyone around OJ falls into a high-risk category. Hank?

Speaker 1 But that should be one of those things where it's like the eyeball test.

Speaker 1 Where if you're administering potentially life-saving medicine and then OJ walks in, there should be a doctor in the room that's like, next. Yes.
We're not giving it.

Speaker 1 Or just give him a dummy vaccine. He wouldn't know.
What if OJ was just like, I'm afraid of needles. I have to look away.

Speaker 1 Don't let me see. Go ahead.
Yeah, wait, do I not get a band-aid in a lollipop? Yeah. Anyway, so good for OJ.
I'm glad that he's going to survive this. Awesome.
I've been worried about that.

Speaker 1 Corona's taken way too many scumbags from us, so I'm glad one of the good ones made it through. What do you say, Billy? I don't think OJ did it.
Oh, God, Billy.

Speaker 1 We're just trying to get everyone on your side, dude.

Speaker 1 I think it was his son. No.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 What the fuck are you talking about? Dude, that's such a perfect Billy.

Speaker 1 I saw a TikTok. I saw a TikTok.
You know what the craziest part was?

Speaker 1 My real Fire Fest was was going to be that I don't appreciate Billy football enough and just do a whole like pump up. I'm rooting for you.
Like, I really do genuinely love you. All this stuff.

Speaker 1 And then he just fucking drops that on.

Speaker 1 I don't think he did it. What did Bill Cosby do that was so bad? No, I didn't know because I'm too young to know what the hell it was.
No, you're not. No, Ray J.
No. Oh, no.
R. Kelly.
R. Kelly.
R.

Speaker 1 Kelly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what did he do that was so bad?

Speaker 1 All right, Billy. My fire fest.
Why couldn't you have just not said that? Well, you guys are looking at me like I was going to say. Because it was your turn for a fire fest.
And we can't call it.

Speaker 1 My fire fest is going to be a headache I wake up with on Saturday because I'm going to drink a thousand cores lights after this fight. Why would you say you're going to have a headache when

Speaker 1 it could also come from getting knocked out? That was like the joke. It would also

Speaker 1 joke my best headache.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 you guys are going to be like, what? The headache? And then I'll be like, because

Speaker 1 it's the cleanest, purest beer in America. You never get a headache.
I know.

Speaker 1 I can't wait

Speaker 1 to responsibly drinking

Speaker 1 Corslight. this.
Billy, for real, though, my Fire Fest is I do not appreciate you enough.

Speaker 1 I love you. I want you to win for me, for PFT, for Liam, for Hank, for Jake, and for every AWL out there.
We're all rooting for you. I think you're going to win.

Speaker 1 I truly think you're going to win, okay? I do. The hard parts.
I've done the hard part. You've done the hard part.

Speaker 1 Just go in there.

Speaker 1 And can I say one thing to you?

Speaker 1 Berserker mode. Berserker mode.
Berserker mode.

Speaker 1 I think you should just. I think you might have to go berserker mode on his ass.
I will. Yeah.
It's going to happen. Are you guaranteeing berserker mode? I'm guaranteeing berserker mode.

Speaker 1 When are you going to get into berserker mode? Well, it's a stage of being. Yeah.
Like, you know, you talked about it. You don't want to use it too early.
No, of course.

Speaker 1 But we talked about this, you know, like we with Craig Kittle.

Speaker 1 We talked about how he gets this level of psychosis when he plays.

Speaker 1 It's this sort of, you know, being where you use your mind to get your body into a total higher element of operation yes and when we hit that after you know it's gonna take meditation it's gonna take i've been concentrating i've been really studying this whole training camp how to get myself in the zone and get in berserker mode and you're gonna see it tomorrow night and i cannot wait i

Speaker 1 tonight tonight tonight tonight when or tonight when are you gonna enter it though are you gonna do this like before you walk out or after you get into the ring? I'm gonna enter it

Speaker 1 the state, the trance trance of focus, I'm going to enter before I walk out to the ring. Okay.
It's all about envisioning greatness and envisioning, you know, triumph.

Speaker 1 It's, it's, it's very, it's deep. It's deep.
It's hard to explain. Right now, you've got me going into berserker mode for you.
Right. That's how it's going to ran.
It's going to be insane.

Speaker 1 And honestly, I'd just like to thank everybody who's been sending kind regards and rooting for me. You're getting a lot of regards.
Yeah. How many regards would you say you've got? Many.

Speaker 1 Many warm regards. Six regards.
What about returns? Six direct regards.

Speaker 1 Yes. That's cool.

Speaker 1 We're all ruined for you. I know.

Speaker 1 I let everybody down. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't take that way. We're going to love you no more.

Speaker 1 No, wait, we won't let you. I'm not going to win.
I'm going to fucking win. You're already a loot.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sidebar game. Come on.
If he loses, he absolutely will let me down. Like, I will be let down.
I probably won't come back. But I don't want to say that.
No.

Speaker 1 Don't leave.

Speaker 1 I might need a little time off.

Speaker 1 Don't go out to Las Vegas. Oh, no.
I'm going to go. Hell yeah, Billy.
Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
We're talking like a couple for four years?

Speaker 1 Go back.

Speaker 1 I got some spots. I'll recommend you.
Disappear, too.

Speaker 1 I really do think you're going to win. I'm excited for you.
You've wanted to fight in Rough and Roundy before. Yeah, I know.
Honestly,

Speaker 1 when I left, I've been like, oh, shit. And I want that on the record so that if he does get knocked out, people don't blame me and PLT for making a fight.
You didn't want

Speaker 1 to do those to defend your honor. You're right, but you really did want to fight.
You've been

Speaker 1 talking about it for a year now.

Speaker 1 I was, but this is the perfect opportunity. For four years, I think you've been talking about it pretty much.
Yeah. Yeah.
So this is.

Speaker 1 But if I get knocked out and egregiously massacred, Big Cat's all on Big Cat. It's all on him.
Yeah. So you got to get him.
Well, here's the spin zone. No,

Speaker 1 I absolve you in that case. In this case, Billy,

Speaker 1 it would actually be not the worst thing because then you would stop talking about wanting to fight Logan Paul. True.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm retired after Conor McGregor. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But if you win this fight. If I win this fight,

Speaker 1 we're going to the moon. We're Dogecoin.
We're just going to the moon. We're dogecoin.
Billy's boxing career is Dogecoin. All right, Billy.
We love you. I love you.
We're rooting for you.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait, let's do a random number. Wait, Jake.
Oh, yeah. Jake, Firefest.
Jake does have a mic. He doesn't have a mic.
We can't forget about our good son.

Speaker 1 All right. Whoa, Jake.

Speaker 1 That's weird, Jake.

Speaker 1 That would have been a weird view for the back.

Speaker 1 Firefest is, Nickelodeon said they considered doing a Super Bowl broadcast, but they backed out.

Speaker 1 But we heard this during the interview. You guys have a thousand each if

Speaker 1 he loses. Lots of fun.
Billy has, or Jose will donate $1,000. So that means a guaranteed $1,000 donation.
Billy, you're going to fuck him up.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Oh, let's go.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Dude, that's fine.
I thought your Firefest was going to be that you Periscoped the way in from your personal account on Twitter instead of...

Speaker 1 Hank will back me up on this. It was a team effort.
But yes, my apologies. No, I don't care.
Take one of that clout. Oh, you got that clout, baby.
All right. Numbers?

Speaker 1 13. Bighorn sheep can withstand

Speaker 1 car accidents to their brain. 89

Speaker 1 every time they hit each other. Whirls are actually a giant cult.
31.

Speaker 1 Birds aren't real. 47.

Speaker 1 Chris. 47.
Birds aren't real. Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Let's go, Billy.

Speaker 1 Berserk him out.

Speaker 1 And the thunder.

Speaker 1 Billy's a badass piranha, cause he put all the work in. You got stood up by Madonna, because you act like a virgin.
And to put it quite simply, he's like OJ on the loose.

Speaker 1 OJ's looking so pimpy, he must be back on the juice. Yeah, you're stolen and bloated, cause you're way overfed.
Yeah, you think you're an oddborn, you broke the bat with your head.

Speaker 1 You're twin mighty named Ozzie and drugs ruin your life. But no one's caring, you cuck, cause you're sharing your wife.

Speaker 1 You're gonna get knocked the fuck out. Billy's gonna eat your lunch.

Speaker 1 He's gonna fucking rip your cock out.

Speaker 1 You're gonna get blunched.

Speaker 1 You're gonna get knocked the fuck out. Billy's gonna eat your lunch.

Speaker 1 He's gonna fucking rip your cock out.

Speaker 1 You're gonna get punched. Bitch, the boards, you stitch, can't hit a pitch.
You swing and miss. Your car wash fail, your life is no fun.
And that bomb bounced off your head for that one home run.

Speaker 1 You're gonna get knocked the fucked out. Billy's gonna eat your lunch.

Speaker 1 He's gonna fucking rip your cock out. You're gonna get blunched.

Speaker 1 You're gonna get knocked fucked out. Billy's gonna eat the run.

Speaker 1 He's gonna fucking rip your cock out. You're gonna get run.

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