Super Bowl 55 Preview With Kurt Warner, Jose Canseco & Rough and Rowdy 13

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We're in Charlestown, West Virginia right now. And also there's a big game on Sunday which we're going to talk about.
Give you some props, talk to Hall of Famer Kurt Warner about. And then we have Jose Canseco on the show.
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Holy shit, we're here. Charlestown, West Virginia.
The best sports weekend of the year. It is, because we have the biggest fight coming up.
Maybe ever. In a matter of hours.
We have Jose Canseco coming up on this show. We have Billy Football sitting with us right now.
We have Kurt Warner, Hall of Famer, talking about the big game. I'm going to put this up there right now.
This is going to be one of our best shows ever. But let's start with talking.
I don't know why I keep saying the big game. You could say fucking Super Bowl.
Everything's super this post. It's super Super Bowl weekend.
So Super Bowl. Super Bowl.
Where do you want to start? Does that trigger you, Roger Goodell? Yeah. Super Bowl.
Hey, Roger. Bitch.
Fuck you, dude. Super Bowl.
He gave the state of the league address today. He did? To no one? Well, usually it's like Roger Goodell saying, we've got concussions under control yet again for the fifth season in a row.
We've solved them. But this year, actually, I was thinking about that.
The NFL has really not had to even say the word concussion for the last year. COVID was a new concussion.
Nice enough to show up. Yes.
And basically put concussions in the back seat. Yeah, but I guess he just said, hey, we did it.
We got through the season without a death. Yeah.
Hey, he should have just gone up there like Cuomo and had a PowerPoint and just said, concussions. And then he just underneath it says, haven't heard a lot about these recently.
Solved. Yeah.
Credit to me. It's going to be a fun weekend.
I'm still on the Chiefs. I've thought about Tom Brady.
I've given consideration to that because I saw that this was a debate going on. If Tom Brady wins the Super Bowl, is he then the greatest goat of all time? Oh, the athletic was debating who's the gotest goat.
Well, exactly. Secretariat.
It's got to be American Pharaoh. It has to be Secretariat.
Dude, Serena Williams. Serena Williams also, yes.
Yeah, but they're saying that would put him over Jordan. And I do think that that counts.
If Patrick Mahomes loses to Brady, then he will have to win. Then two more Super Bowls to supersede Brady eventually.
But, yeah, I'm staying on the Chiefs. I'm not taking my eye off the ball.
I'm also staying on the Chiefs. I've looked at this game a million different ways.
I had my momentary Tuesday. I was like, ooh, I kind of like the Bucs going through the Chiefs' offensive line issues and the Bucs, how good their defense is.
And if you actually look at it, the DVOA, which I'm sorry to get nerdy on everyone, the Bs have uh higher both their sides offense and defense I think the offense isn't as high as the Chiefs but their defense is significantly better than the Chiefs defense I don't care I don't want to feel dumb this is the dumb to feel dumb Super Bowl by the way because if the Bucs win you're gonna feel really stupid being like oh crap I bet against Tom Brady and if the Chiefs win and you bet on the Bucs you're like oh crap why the hell did I bet against Patrick Mahomes so no matter what someone's coming out stupid I would just rather not continually be stupid with Patrick Mahomes and this crazy run that he's been on in the last couple years three years uh and wasn't it wasn it against the Bucs earlier this season where Tyreek Hill had 200 yards in one quarter? Yes. Yeah, so I would feel so dumb if I completely forgot about that.
The Chiefs killed him. It was only a three-point game.
I know that sounds crazy, but it really was like, remember that game the first half, they absolutely crushed him. And the Chiefs did the thing for the last two months where they let everyone come back in games and they didn't cover spreads.
That one was a push. Hank, are you okay? I'm nervous about you.
He's been smoking a lot of weed. Just in general.
What? I'm just nervous about you. How much? I'm not worried about your cough, but you have had a cough.
Yeah, I mean, it's... You were negative this morning.

Right.

I've been negative all week. It's kind of one of those things where colds still exist in this world, in this COVID world.
You have a cold? I don't feel 100%. Okay.
All right. Got it.
But you are negative. I have been testing negative.
Negative. I've been testing negative this morning.
Stay positive. So, where were we? Oh, the Chiefs.
Not overthinking the Chiefs. The Chiefs.
If the Chiefs win this game, Patrick Mahomes will have two Super Bowls before having his 10th loss in the NFL. God damn it.
How stupid is that? That's dumb. That is just stupid.
I can't bet against them. When they're at their peak, they're better than the Bucs at their peak.
Yes. It's a peak off.
Okay, so here's my strategy. We're going to talk about props in a second.
Here's my strategy. I think I'm going to bet the over, but this is definitely a game, most Super Bowls are like this, where the first quarter is a little bit slow.
This is a live, hammer the live over game. It also is, I have the Chiefs, but if the Bucs go up or the Chiefs go up early, I think it's going to be somewhat of a close game at the end.
Like, I don't really see a blowout. So it's also hammer the live underdog game.
Okay, so you're calling your shot right now, which is the first, like, five, ten minutes of the game, low scoring, and then you're going to wait to bet the over. Correct.
Well, no, I'm going to bet it anyway. But I'm saying there might be an opportunity with how Super Bowls usually go.
Billy, can you stop breathing so heavy? Breathe away from the mic, Billy. It really is like right here.
I don't know what Billy also like we're doing a podcast and Billy's just hanging out on his phone. You were.
You didn't even know we started. I knew you were starting.
You have to understand Billy's getting a lot of traction on social media right now. He's got the scrolling.

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I do think it will start a little bit slow, and then we hammer the live over again.

You know what I'm breaking out again?

I don't think I've done this at all this year.

I'm taking the over for field goals.

Over three and a half field goals.

Oh, you want a field goal prop?

Let's do some props.

Yeah.

Let's talk some props. Okay, so these are all in the Barstool sports book.
If you're in Pennsylvania or Michigan, all the other states will be there soon. Don't you worry.
Illinois, I'm looking at you. But if you're in Pennsylvania or Michigan, make sure you bet these.
Let me start with this. I have a very special, not doing a can't lose parlay because it is a Super Bowl.

I don't want to ruin the Super Bowl.

Super Bowl is not about the can't lose parlay.

It's about the Super Bowl.

So this is simply the props that Big Cat is playing parlayed that will attempt to not lose.

Okay.

Wait, how's it?

T, P, T, B, C, I, P, E, A, N, L.

And this is going to be, I don't have the final odds on it. It's going to be somewhere like plus 600-ish.
Travis Kelsey, touchdown. That's happening, right? We all agree.
I'm hammering every Travis Kelsey. That one can't lose.
Tom Brady over a half of an interception. So you just got to throw one.
Okay. I think he's going to throw.
I think Tom Brady's going to play well, but I also think he's going to take his shots.

And I don't think even one interception, you'd be like, oh, you had a bad game.

He's just going to throw an interception.

Honey Badger's going to get one.

Yeah.

Second half highest scoring, which goes to what I was saying about a slow start.

And then this is my favorite prop in the Barstool Sportsbook app.

This is much like betting corner kicks in soccer or runs, hits, and errors in case there aren't points. Over 799.5 net offensive yards.
Okay, so you're just hoping for yards. Yards, baby.
Yards is super easy to root for because if there's a 10-yard completion, boom, yards, yards. Yards.
Y Yeah. Here's a couple other ones that I have, and then we'll do yours.
Vita Veya touchdown prop will be live. I'm going to bet that.
I think that might be the trick play. Field goal or extra point to hit an upright? Harrison Bucker's done it.
I tried to get the double drink in there. You're trying to just reclaim.
You're trying to make it so that every time a field goal hits an upright you get a rush of ecstasy instead of one of agony well it's plus 375 and when everyone just starts tweeting me doink i'll be like fuck you i just cash exactly that's what you're doing yeah uh so that one is i'm betting that tyree kill longest play from scrimmage will be live i love i i don't know what it is but i'm gonna take it because that is another one where it's like a rush of excitement. And it's never over.
And it can be a run or a pass. This one's going to be live.
Either quarterback to throw five or more touchdowns. That's going to be fun.
So you're just, I mean. Okay, wow.
Right? That's going to be good odds. Opening kickoff touchback.
Does Chad Henney count? Well, I do actually have this. I'm going to bet over.
These are your bets, PFT. These are the ones that you should love.
Over two and a half total players to complete a pass. Yep.
Plus 215. Okay? And here's, I'm not going to say the word can't lose.
If you have a gambling problem, 1-800-GAMBLER. I'm not going to say the word can't lose.
But these are correlated because I like this as well. This is the PFD special.
It is... Where the fuck is it? I fucking wrote it down.
Oh, any quarterback to throw a forward pass after a lateral. Okay.
Plus 225 is yes. Wait, a quarterback to throw a forward pass after a lateral.
It's a flea flicker. Right.
Your play. It could be a flea flicker.
Right. It could be like some sort of reverse with a toss back to Tom Brady.
You know what I really want to see? Plus 225 PFT. I want to take the over on Tom Brady half a reception.
I think that – so Bruce Arians is a guy who surprisingly has a very long memory when it comes to some things. And you know that Tom Brady has been like, I really wish I could have had that playback where it's like, I can fucking throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time.
The drop that he had when he got cucked later on in that game by Nick Foles, that one's been haunting him. I think they're going to throw it past Tom Brady.
I also am taking the playoff Lenny bet, playoff Lenny to score a touchdown. Yep, our guy.
He's family now. He is family.
I can't not bet him after he's come on the show like that. And then there's another really interesting one.
I'm looking it up right now. It is the jersey number of the first touchdown score Yes Over 25.5, under 25.5 You know what, I want to give this bet to Jake Yeah, Jake, find that for us Jake, no, I just want, you tell me I'll put a $250 bet in for you It's yours if you win it But Are you going to take over or under 25.5? Under.
Under. So Tyreek Hill, that's a good one.
There we go. First touchdown scorer.
87. We also have Jake.
In honor of Jake, we have the Scorigami bet up. So you can bet, will there be a Scorigami, which is electric.
That's great. My favorite bet, I think, is the outcome of the coin toss.
Yes. Well, Tails never fails.
We've got it boosted where it's plus 100 on Tails and plus 100 on heads. Yes.
Tails never fails. I guess you win if you bet both of them.
I don't know how math works. No, no, no.
No, no. You don't lose anything.
But I want to figure out who I'm betting on because I usually go with Tails never fails. Tails never fails.
I know it rhymes. It rhymes.
All right, go ahead. Flip it.
I guarantee you. I've got a coin.
Yeah, flip it. If it's heads, to beat the coin I have to think like a coin.
If it's heads then I'm going to bet tails. If it's tails, no.
Tails means I'm betting heads. If this flip is tails, you have to bet tails.
No, no, I'm letting the coin tell me. Tails never fails.
If it's heads, I'm betting tails. Tails I'm betting heads.
It's going to be tails because tails never fails. It's tails.
I'm betting tails. There you go.
Tails never fails. Listen, if you want to bet heads, yeah, you could say it's a 50-50 proposition.
But when it's tails and I tweet tails never fails and everyone retweets it, you're going to feel like a big, fat dummy. I'm talking to you.
Tails never fails rhymes. It fucking rhymes.
It's a sign's a sign yeah how could you if you bet heads yeah you might win occasionally but you feel like a real shithead it's not as fun to be like oh heads great puts me to bed yeah there's no good rhyme yeah it sucks it sucks um you rather be dead than heads no that's that's also for tails. Better dead than head.
I rode head. That's kind of fun to say.
Two other quick props that I love. Just fun ones.
Any ruling on the field overturned by a coach's challenge. Yeah, I like that.
I'm going to take yes plus 115 just because you're just hoping the refs fuck up. Yep.
And then a punt to be downed inside the five-yard line, yes, is plus 330. That's fun.
The Chiefs punter doesn't get a lot of practice, though. I don't really care.
That's one of those ones that you just forget you even have until the fourth quarter. You're like, oh, fuck, I forgot I had this.
I'm also going to take the over on Scottie Miller touched, or not, Scottie Miller, just yards. Yeah.
He'll get one for, like, 45 yards. I would imagine Tom Brady is sliding Scottie Miller, like, a tape of Julian Edelman from the Super Bowls that he was in, being like, this is what I want you to be.
Yeah, I'm so fucking excited. It's going to be such a great game.
So excited. So excited for this game.
Oh, got a hot tip. Hot tip on Gatorade.
Red. I'm hearing orange.

Oh.

My sources have told me orange.

Red was not a hot tip.

Red was just the tip

that everyone is talking about,

so it's actually the anti-hot tip.

So red is overvalued right now.

Okay.

There's Hank on.

I'm hammering orange.

Hank, are you...

Just start pencil-packing cigarettes

so you have a filter on there.

You okay?

The bong life isn't for everybody.

Let me hear from you real quick about this game.

You're going biggest bet of your life on the Bucs responsibly?

Yep.

I pack the vest.

That's all you need to know.

Wow.

Really?

Yep.

The vest is in the building.

It's a man of vest destiny.

Yep.

Man of vest.

Wow.

Better invest in a vest.

Oh, it's a good investment.

What was that? It's a good investment, Billy. There we go.
Better invest. invest.
Oh, it's a good investment. What was that?

It's a good investment, Billy.

Better invest.

Billy.

Crushing it.

Nice.

Billy, let's talk about you real quick.

Yeah, let's talk about the fight.

Let's talk about the fight.

How are you feeling mentally?

I feel amazing.

I feel absolutely dangerous.

Absolutely lethal.

Dangerous to yourself?

To others.

Everyone around you?

Not myself, others.

Should we be afraid of you right now?

Yes. Ooh, okay.
No, it's high. When was the last time you came? Eight days ago.
What if you had a wet dream? It would be, it wouldn't derail the progress. But that's your body kind of betraying you.
I would be very nervous if I were you. You put in all this time and you might just stick up your bed tonight.
The past eight days just thinking about Jose Canseco negates any. It's own wet dream.
Yeah, it's like thinking about baseball. So it's been eight days since you've nutted? Yes.
You got a calendar? I wanted to participate with you. In solidarity, I did No Nut Groundhog Day.
Okay. So February 2nd and it happens again.
For support, I did not come. We're going to talk about the fight at the end of the show with our fire fest.
Perfect. Okay? Because I'm very excited for this.
Dude. By R&R.com.
Billy's dangerous. Billy's dangerous.
Any other thoughts for the Super Bowl before we go to our interviews with Kurt Warner? We talked Super Bowl with him. Super Bowl prep.
Playing in the Super Bowl. Awesome interview.
And then we have Jose Canteco. Any other thoughts? Anyone else? I'm betting the Chiefs.
I almost said I was betting the Bucs there. This one has tortured me.
We've got to talk about the National Anthem, too. I'm betting the over on that.
If you bet the under, then that's very anti-patriotic.

Well, it's a duet.

You're a terrorist if you bet the under in the national anthem.

Why would you not want it to last longer?

The only thing is they do get nerves, so they go faster.

But we've had a streak of unders, and it's a duet this year.

I don't think they get nerves.

No, I'm with you.

I don't think they get nerves, though, because there's usually a backing track that's pre-recorded,

and the tempo of that is set, unless the guy that's pushing play also has nerves. Yeah.
Which is a possibility. That is true.
It's a big stage. Oh, the only other thing I had was, I don't know why ESPN did this, but I guess essentially they had CGI for Al Davis and Pete Rizal for the 30 for 30 it was tonight.
So they had a CGI Al Davis. Like hologram Tupac? Talking.
That's pretty cool. It's very bizarre.
You know what they're doing? They're testing that out because they have at least three shows on the air right now that don't feature Mike Greenberg. And so they're like, we need to get hologram technology so that we can put them on every channel at every hour.
Yes, Yes. All right.
Let's get to our interview. We got Kurt Warner.
Awesome. Talk to Kurt.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, Pro Football Hall of Famer, Super Bowl champion. It is Kurt Warner.
He's on the NFL Network. He's an analyst on the NFL Network.
You can see him uh game day morning at 9 a.m eastern he's also launching quarterback confidential a video-based membership only website that will delve into the various aspects of learning viewing and coaching the game of football and feature video tutorials now kurt i'm reading this is this for guys like us too or do we have to be quarterbacks can we Can we go on this site and become better, knowledgeable, more knowledgeable football guys? Without a doubt. Now, everything I do kind of comes from a quarterback perspective because to me that's how I see the game.
And I think every part of the game ties into the quarterback. So a lot of the stuff will come from a quarterback perspective.
But yes, this is going to be for fans, for coaches, for players. Um, there'll be basically five components.
So it'll be building your football IQ. And so anybody that wants to learn the game from that perspective, when I go out of the field, it will be more from a quarterback perspective.
I'll go inside a playbook to show people what, what, what makes a good play and how do you piece that together? Uh, I don't know if you guys follow me on social media, but I've been doing some of these things that I call study ball, which is kind of going into the film room and breaking down NFL film and play concepts and players. So that'll be a part of it.
And then I'll have a component where I kind of share my journey a little bit and kind of the mental, mindset that goes in to being great at anything and so it'll have all kinds of components no matter where you're at in this you know the pendulum of you know fan a diehard fan you know an average fan or a guy that's just starting to play the position or learn the game or coach the game to somebody that's playing at the highest level I think it'll have something something for everybody. That's awesome.
So everyone go check it out, at QB Confidential on Twitter and Instagram. So, Kurt, we'll talk about everything, but I want to start with Super Bowl week.
We've been discussing how there's a report that Tom Brady has locked himself in his home, no family, he's got 12 days of film study, he's going to find things that you never thought you could find in the film study how how like is there a diminishing return point of film study especially Super Bowl week you went to three Super Bowls you won one what's the prep like and is there a point where it's like hey I know what I know I gotta walk away from this it's a great question and I would just say you really have to know who you are as a player. And so, you know, for from one standpoint, like Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning was the best I've ever seen at playing the game before the ball was ever snapped, like understanding all these nuances of what the other team did.
And, you know, they're giving away something. So I'm going to check to the right play at the right time.
And I'm going to tear you apart because I'm really good before the snap. Me personally, I was much better after the snap.
Like, I want to see what you do. And then I'm great at reacting and going to the right guy and doing the right thing after I see what you're doing.
So I'm going to go back to my first year in the NFL. And so you come into the NFL and you're like, okay, how do I prepare? Like, I don't know.
I just got here. You know, I don't know really what I'm supposed to do to get ready for a game.
And so you have to learn what works for you. And so early on, you know, I would watch a lot of film, like, well, everybody talks about watching a lot of film.
So I'm going to watch a lot of film and I would watch the other team, right? I would watch players and what they do and what that team did. And I'm trying to get a little tell from, from this guy or that guy or the scheme that they run.
And I remember watching, uh, you know, film with the new Orleans saints. We were going to play them and, and I watched a specific corner and a team ran a slant against them.
And that corner jumped the slant and intercepted it. So I'm like, okay, got it.
You know, I saw it on film, put it in the back of my mind. So we go into the game, we call a slant that corners over there in the same position.
So I dropped back and I go, ha ha, you're not going to get me. And I hesitate, doesn't jump the slant.
My slant's open. I missed the slant because I'm late throwing the slant.
And I remember thinking to myself, okay, never again, never again, am I going to watch so much film that now I start thinking they're going to do something that they may not do. And that to me becomes, as you talk about that kind of the law of diminishing returns where, oh my gosh, I've watched it so much that now it almost paralyzes me to think, oh, they're showing me this.
They're going to definitely do what they did on film. And now I do something else.
Now, there are some teams that will show you something. You'll get a tell on film.
And they always do that. There are other teams, kind of like I just talked about, where you just don't know.
They might show you one thing and it looks exactly like what you saw on film.

Now, all of a sudden, they're doing something different and you're caught off guard

because you're so focused on what you saw on film.

So that becomes to me the fine balance of,

I wanna watch enough where I really know what's going on

and what I'm seeing,

but I don't wanna watch so much

that I start to have preconceived ideas of what I'm seeing.

And again, that was for a guy like me that played the game very much after the snap. I think Tom Brady is more like me than Peyton Manning, where he's not always trying to check into the right play.
He's trying to see what you do and then react positively to it. So yeah, it's going to be fascinating to watch because the Chiefs do a lot of things defensively.
They gave him lots of problems in the first game, especially early with all these different looks. So maybe, you know, maybe he is able to pick something up or a couple of things up that helped him react better early in the game.
But that to me was my experience that I always had to be careful of not doing too much because then it would change the way that I perceived a situation, and I really wanted to just trust my eyes when I played the game. Interesting.
So we talk a lot about the offenses, obviously, because we have Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes, two of the best quarterbacks, the most talented that we've ever seen play. But I'm starting to hear more talk about the defenses, but it's always in the vein of the Bucs' defense is underrated or Chiefs defense is underrated.
So I guess now the question is like, which defense is most underrated? Like, which defense do you think has the edge in this matchup? I'm going to say the Chiefs defense. And it's kind of twofold because you have to look at the defense in and of themselves, but you also have to look at the offense that they're playing against.
And so the hardest thing about this chief's offense is how fast they are. Like you can be really good, but very few defenses are going to be as fast as this chief's offense.
You know, we got fast linebackers, you know, we got good secondary guys that we'd like, they're not as fast as the Chiefs are. And so that to me is where you get a distinct advantage in this game because with the Chiefs, they do so many great things by throwing the ball quick.
So you have to come up and get in their face because otherwise they'll just pick you apart and get the ball out of their hands. But we saw in the first game, you come up and press Tyreek Hill and he can go for 200 yards in a quarter against you and so I like the Chiefs because they are more multiple they'll give you more looks and more blitz looks they're more flexible with their safeties and guy like guys like Tyron Matthew but I also believe when you look at the Bucs wide receivers they're not as explosive as the Chiefs receivers and so I think the Chiefs defensive backs match up better from an athletic standpoint against these Bucs receivers.
They can get up and challenge them more because they don't feel like Tyreek Hill is going to, you know, catch for 200 yards against them. Mike Evans isn't going to necessarily run by you over and over again.
Antonio Brown is not going to do that. Even though they can make big plays, it's different.
So I give the slight advantage to the Chiefs because of complexity and because of who they're facing and how they match out. Interesting.
So we do, we like to, you know, we're pretty smart football guys. We often talk about the most important player on a team might not be the best player on the team so my question for you is on the greatest show on turf offense that rams offense who was the most important player who's the guy who if he went out everything would fall apart very quickly uh and maybe you know was the guy that the straw that stirred the drink so to speak well i Well, I mean, yeah, if you're picking, we were very talented.
So, you know, we were able to kind of overcome, you know, most guys because we had enough talent. But if there was one guy that changed the complexion of everything that we did, it was Marshall Fogg.
Okay. Because, you know, especially at that time, he was such a distinct mismatch.
and you know know, I kind of feel in today's game, it's more of a tight end. But even if you have a good receiving back, those positions are the, you know, the biggest matchup problems for another team.
And back in that day, you know, we did so many things with Marshall, and he was so versatile. He could run routes like a wide receiver.
Um, you know, he could beat corners if you put a corner on him, he was just a mismatch problem. And he was so smart that we moved him all over the place.
So as talented as we were, we could win games without him, but without a doubt, he was a, the best player on our team. so he was the best player but he was also the most important so for us it worked out really well that he was both of those things uh but he is what stirred the drink back with the greatest show on turf okay not to nitpick you because you obviously know football but that's the incorrect answer the most important player was orlando pace the best player was marshall fuck that's how you sound smart well and i almost said that but but because marshall was so good he was i i won't say that we didn't need orlando because orlando was i mean it was the you know he's a godsend for a quarterback because he locked down everybody over there but we would get the ball out so quickly because we could do so much offensively that that's why I said Marshall but you're exactly right you're right Marshall Falk is it's weird because he uh you know when people name the best running backs of all time it's usually Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith and Marshall Falk like he might not have the numbers of them but if you watched him in his prime he was every good as those guys and he was more versatile than than those guys and that to me is what makes him so great like he he was a three down back right if you were in fourth and one and you were going to run between the tackles you didn't take him off the field right if you were in a third down situation you wanted to throw the football you weren't taking him out off the field if you you needed somebody to block a linebacker, you weren't taking him off the field.
You never took this guy off the field because he was the best player at his position in every facet. Like, you know, you might see guys like, um, uh, we see different guys in the league now and Alvin Camaro, a great player, but there are certain things they take him off the field for and put in somebody else because the other guy's better at those situations there was no guy that was better than Marshall Falk at every situation on the football field and that's why I say you know he belongs in that category with the greatest even though he may not have had the rushing yards that some of those guys did.
He was just such a complete football player that it's what made him so, so special. So in terms of the skill positions out there, would you say that the Chiefs are the closest to the greatest show on turf that we have right now in the NFL? Yeah, I would.
I mean, and probably the closest thing that we've seen since the greatest show on turf. And the reason I say that is just because the ability to attack down the field, the ability to stretch the field, that is what we did so well that we, we scared every defense because we had multiple guys that could score a touchdown on every single play.
And that is how the Chiefs play, you know, and on top of it, it's how they play, right? They go for the jugular on every play. There is something designed in every pass play that they have to score a touchdown.
Doesn't always work out that way, but they're looking to score a touchdown on every play, and they push that envelope, and they scare defenses. They make defenses play on their heels, and that's exactly how we played.
And so, yeah, I don't think there's any question, just the way that they play and the nature of how they're built. Very, very similar to, to what we did back in you know, back in the day in St.
Louis. So like big cat alluded to, we are very smart football guys.
We're we, we actually try to be meatheads more than we really are sometimes, but it's something that we aspire to. Our biggest criticism of the Chiefs is that they get too cute sometimes.
Do you think they get too cute? Yeah, I always think that that's kind of a catch-22 because, you know, anytime they get cute and it doesn't work, our natural response is, oh, you got too cute. But if you watch them specifically down inside the red zone and inside the 10 yard line, they are so great at doing special, unique, different things.
As you're saying, they get really cute down there, but that cuteness is so tough to stop because you have no idea what's going to happen down there. So I ultimately think the too cute works in their benefit way more than it's a negative.
But yes, there are definitely times, you know, I remember a time earlier in the year, I think it was on a fourth down, where they did the little spin in the backfield and then they handed it off and they tried to throw it back to my homes. And you're like, come on, it was fourth and one really just hand the ball off.
And so, yeah, there's times they get too cute, but I think it's, it's in that, that the beauty of, Hey, you never know what they're going to do in any given situation that keeps teams on their heels. And they're usually successful with those things.
The first time they pull it out, everybody's like, oh, my God, what are they doing? Boom, they hit you with something. And then maybe if they pull it out a second or third time, we say, oh, you went to the well too many times.
But I do think that creativity is a bigger benefit than it is a negative. Right.
So in your three Super Bowls, how many trick plays or something different like how many wrinkles do we should we expect on sunday we're would dick vermil throw in something special like hey this is what we're gonna hit him with how did that work that's a good question i'm trying to to think back now i know when i was with arizona we had a bunch of trick plays leading up to the super bowl. We ran a flea flicker.
We had a fake toss, and they threw it back to me, and it worked for touchdowns. I don't remember doing anything in the Super Bowl, and I don't remember anything really in any of my Super Bowls that you would say were trick plays, even though both teams I was on would run a lot of trick plays in the course of, you know, kind of normal play.
But we didn't pull out a whole lot. You know, I think back to Super Bowl 40 when the Steelers ran the reverse pass with, you know, Heinz Ward.
Yeah, that's a great question. And I expect the Chiefs to do stuff.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Tampa pulled out one or two trick plays, a flea flicker or something. But, yeah, I don't think I ever remember running any trick plays in our Super Bowls, which seems odd now that you bring it up because my teams used to do that.
Mike Marsh used to deal up all kinds of those things, but I don't recall doing any of them in the Super Bowl.

That's interesting because I always – maybe it's like the Bill Cower Super Bowl.

They used to be – they used to be like, there's going to be a gadget play.

Right, after they get past the 50-yard line,

it always felt like an offensive coach would be like,

all right, here's my breaking case of getting to a Super Bowl trick play.

Like the one that they always hold back.

You know, the Eagles in their Super Bowl against the Patriots. Something that they'll write stories about forever.
So that's interesting that you guys didn't have one. You guys were probably just good enough that you didn't have to have one.
I would be such a bad head coach. We probably had him.
I was going to say, we probably had him. But like you said, maybe it just didn't play out where they got that one scenario to call it.
But yeah, you're right. It would have been cool to have one of those fun plays that, you know, everybody remembers you for instead of a 101 yard interception return.
But, but a, who's, you know, I would have been, I would have been so bad as a head coach, because if I had a play that I knew was going to be like my break glass in case of Superbowl play, I would use it like week two, you know, like it'd be, it'd be like third and sixth. I'd be like, oh, crap, we really have to get this.
And then I'd just waste all my stuff then. So playing for Dick Vermeule, I have to ask, what is the smallest thing that you've ever seen him cry over? Good question.
That is a good question. He was crying about everything.
But I always tell the story when I really kind of figured out who Dick Vermeer was and that this might be in, you know, every week occurrence was we were in, in training camp one year and he brought us up into, you know, into the group huddle after a practice. And he started talking about, you know, our fourth string tight end that he had to cut.
And, you know, and I'm sitting there going, and he's, you know, the tears start coming as he's talking about this guy in the middle of the group huddle. And it's like, that was a guy that hardly anybody knew.
And he wasn't here very long. And everybody knew he wasn't going to make the team.
Yet, just the fact that he had to cut anybody yeah even knowing that that was part of his job um you started to get the sense that oh okay i i get who this guy is is that he's more than just a football coach um he's an individual that truly cares about all those little things and so um that was kind of my first glimpse at, okay, this is what I need to expect. And, and nothing surprised you after that, you know, nothing surprised you that, you know, he would cry when you told him a story about your kids.
You know, he would cry in situations where he had to release guys, obviously, when he was happy, you know, when Trent got hurt, you know, that's the classic, he's up on the podium crying. Um, you know, and, and so it's just what endears everybody to him is that you realize that his biggest concern is you, you know, not winning a Superbowl and not winning games, but you and your wellbeing and what's best for you and your family.
And so just a phenomenal human being. But, yes, we saw a lot of tears shed, you know, and there were times in the back of the room that we just kind of look at each other like, okay, where did this come from and why is he crying right now? But it's what makes him so special.
And to this day, I mean, he's just unbelievable, one of the most unbelievable human beings that I've ever met. Here's something that maybe will make me cry.
Is this a true story that you were ready to try out for the Bears in 1997, but got bit by a spider on your elbow and couldn't do it? True story. True story.
That's unreal. Well, but that's not the whole of it.
So tell the story. Yeah, I will.
I'll tell you the story. So I'm playing arena football and obviously I'm waiting for for my chance.
Right. You know, I just want one NFL team to call me and give me an opportunity.
So the Bears called me and said, hey, we want to bring you in for a workout. And I am like, any time, any place I am in, I'm coming.
So we set up a time for the workout. And as soon as I get off the phone, I go running into my wife and I'm like, honey, the bears, they're bringing me in for a workout this Friday.
I mean, I'm flying. I'm going right now.
And my wife just kind of gave me this look and I'm like, what's the problem here? Why are you not excited for me? We've been working for this forever. And she goes, dude, we're getting married on Saturday.
Blew off my whole wedding. Didn't even think about it.
Cause I just wanted to work out for the bears. So I had to call the bears back and say, okay, sorry.
I know it sounds stupid, but forgot all about my wedding. I can't work out this Friday, but any other time.
So we worked out for the next week that I would go into Chicago and do it. So I went back and told my wife, I'm like, all good.
Have our wedding. I'm going next week.
Again, she gives me the look and I'm like, now what? We're going on our honeymoon next week. Yes, we are going on our honeymoon next week.
I had to call the bears back a second time and tell them, okay, sorry, screwed up. But any other time, I promise you, I am in to work out.

So went on our honeymoon.

On the honeymoon is when they called to set up the workout.

So I was going to come back on like a Sunday night or a Monday

and going to work out for them on Tuesday or Wednesday of that week.

The night before we left, we were in Jamaica.

The night before we left our honeymoon, I woke up the next morning and my throwing elbow was swollen about the size of a grapefruit. And, you know, to this

day, we still don't know what it was that bit me. They said maybe a centipede or a spider.

They really don't know, but it swelled up the size of a grapefruit. You know, I had fever,

all this stuff. So of course I had to call the bears back and go, okay, you're not going to believe this.
Yes. The first time it was my wedding.
The second time it was my honeymoon. And now I got bit on my throwing elbow by something in Jamaica.
And you can only imagine what was going on in the other end of the line going, who is this dude? Like we're trying to give him a chance to make it in the NFL. And this is what he comes up with three times and so basically you know after that they hung up and they never called back and i never got the workout and then about two weeks later is when i got the call from the rams um and flew in and did the workout and uh they ended up signing me so i don't blame i don't blame chicago because i, you can't make that stuff up.
Like it sounds like just a horrible, you know, sequence of events that some dude is just trying to get out of the workout for some reason. But that is how it played out and ultimately led to me being a part of the greatest show on turf and winning a Super Bowl in St.
Louis. I can understand saying like I'm getting married this weekend.
I would have delayed the honeymoon because then if you make the Bears, you've got more money to spend on maybe you get the presidential suite when you go to Jamaica on the honeymoon. So you push that one.
I had told my wife had waited five years. We had dated five years before I proposed to her.
So I don't think she was postponing it for anything at that point even even more money even for a better honeymoon she is like we are doing this thing now um but you're right maybe i should have tried well i don't know if you're right because yeah it worked out okay for you it worked out in my favor yeah no if you had been on the bears you would have you would have probably gotten bit by even bigger spider and it would have ended your entire career so oh yeah who knows yeah so wait i want to back up real quick how did you forget that you were getting married next weekend that seems like a pretty important like you might have that on your refrigerator yeah you're right i mean it seems stupid like how could i forget that but i when you've been i mean working for, basically that time, basically three years playing arena football, working in a grocery store, trying to get another opportunity. And all of a sudden out of the blue, the general manager for the bears calls you, or you get a call from your agent saying, Hey, an NFL team wants to work you out.
Um, everything else just kind of went out the window and it was kind of just like, okay, I will do whatever they need me to do, because I've been waiting for this opportunity for so long. But yeah, you're, you're, you're thinking exactly what my wife was thinking.
Like, how is this possible? Like, you're more worried about a stupid workout than getting married to me? Yeah, how do you forget that? But I don't know, I can't answer that question for you. It was just one of those blackout moments where the only thing I could see was Chicago Bears.
You mentioned the grocery store, and that's a story that gets talked about a lot with you. I've always wondered if that's an overblown story, how long you're working there or how much you saw that as maybe being your career, how much time you spent on the job, just thinking like one day I will be in the NFL.
I know I can do it. So what was that period in your life? Like, you're right.
I mean, it wasn't like I had taken a career in the supermarket business. It was like, you know, most of us, I'm sure you guys have had your experiences where things aren't lining up exactly like you want them to.
And there's a period of time where you have to take a job to make ends meet. And, you know, my goal was, so I was dating my wife at the time and she has two kids from a previous marriage.
So she was going to school all day. So I would watch the kids during the day.
And then I wanted to make sure I got my workouts in to stay ready. So I needed to get a job at night.
And so that's why I ended up working in a grocery store. And it was probably just five or six months while I was, you know, I'd gotten released by the Green Bay Packers and was just really trying to find another place to play.
I was trying to play in Europe. I was hoping another NFL team would call and nobody called.
And so it was just one of those things where, Hey, I've got to do something. I got to bring some money in.
I got to make ends meet, but it wasn't like it was a three-year stint in a grocery store where I was moving up the ladder and becoming a manager and thought this was my career. I remember telling, you know, people I was working with when we would have break time, Hey, you know, one day you're going to see me playing in the NFL, you know? And of course, you know, these guys are just like, come on, dude, like, what are you talking about? You're never going to do that.
You're working in a grocery store, but, um, but no, my mind was still set on playing football and just kind of looking for an opportunity. So it is overblown a little bit, but, uh, but man, it makes a great story, huh? Yeah.
Yeah. Did you wear the gloves while you were working there? No, those came much later, much later.
So, speaking of that story and how the NFL kind of was with quarterbacks where guys maybe got a longer leash or they got extra chances, and you're obviously doing your stuff now, quarterback confidential, what is it with the league today that it feels like there are both an abundance of quarterbacks out there it feels like we have a ton of good quarterbacks but also it feels like guys don't have three years to prove it they have a year and maybe a little bit more like they have 20 games how why is the NFL switched so much and and like do you think that's good or bad for quarterbacks coming in? Yeah, first and foremost, the game and the rules have changed to the point where you can have more quarterbacks and kind of, I don't know, the right term, that play the position better or have better stats than ever. But I still don't believe that the league is full of great quarterback play.
And so you have to be able to delineate the two is that, I mean, yeah, I remember, I think it was, you know, at some point this past year where, uh, midway through the season, there was 18 or 19 quarterbacks that were completing the ball at a rate higher than, than I did the years that I led the league in completion percentage. And so the game is played so differently, throwing at the line of scrimmage and, you know, receivers catching 10 balls a game and all these wide receiver screens.
And so numbers get inflated and it looks like teams are playing better or quarterbacks are playing better because of the rules.

But when you really break down the quarterback play, it's not necessarily as good as we've seen at times in the past. yeah and to you the second part of your question is that yeah i mean i think you're 100 right

whether it's coaches or players that for whatever reason mean, the league has just become such a win now. What have you done for me this year? And so many decisions are made based on, you know, one bad year or, you know, a session, you know, a part of the season where you don't play up to what a team's seen you play at before.
And I think it's really hard. I mean, I think it's why there's lack of stability with so many of our organizations that can't really compete is because they never have the patience to bring along a quarterback or allow a coach to develop his own system and bring in the right players that fit what he wants to do.
And so it seems like we've got every year, you know, what, seven or eight teams that you think, oh, they might win a championship. And then you have 20 some teams that you go up.
We're not even considering them. Like they're never going to be there because there's so much instability at those two positions.
And I think it's unfortunate that, you know, teams are given up on guys and coaches way too quickly and deciding,

Oh,

they're not going to be any good instead of letting them kind of build what

they want to build.

Yeah.

All right.

We're going to let you go here in a second.

Before you go,

we need to get your stone cold lock,

your prediction for the Superbowl.

So we're going to run this and make you sound really dumb.

We'll probably repeat it on Monday when you're totally incorrect about what you pick, but what is, what is your guaranteed pick for the Super Bowl. So we're going to run this and make you sound really dumb.
We'll probably repeat it on Monday when you're totally incorrect about what you pick. But what is your guaranteed pick for the Super Bowl? So just winning pick? Is that all you need? Yeah, who do you think is going to win? Give me a score.
Okay. Oh, I am going with the Chiefs in this one.
I know it's hard to go against Tom Brady and all the stuff that he's done. I just think the Chiefs are a better team and and I think they're more explosive.
So I am going with the Chiefs, and I will say that it will be a double-digit win for the Chiefs. Wow.
Hypothetically, how many total points do you think will be scored? How many total points? I will put the Chiefs as mid-30s, and the Bucs probably kind of mid-20s. It may push high 30s to high 20s with that double digits.
But I think there will be a number of points scored in this game. I would put it up there in the 60-something, 65-point range.
Yes. All right, well, Kurt, thank you so much.
This has been fun. You some, 65 point range.
Yes.

All right.

Well, Kurt, thank you so much.

This has been fun.

You got to come back.

We have a billion more questions.

I love it.

I love just talking ball and going in the weeds a little bit.

So you let me know when.

I'd love to come back.

Awesome.

Thanks so much, man.

Appreciate it.

All right, guys.

Take care.

See you, man.

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And now, here's Jose Canseco. Now for something completely different.
Okay, we now welcome on a guest. It is Jose Canseco.
We are in Charlestown. I don't know, where's A-Rod at? We'll get to that.
We'll get to that. A-Rod, where are you? Do you want me to finish introducing you? Go ahead.
All right so we are in Charlestown. Where's A-Rod? We are in Charlestown, West Virginia for Rough and Rowdy 13.
It is tonight, 8pm, by R&R.com. Jose Canseco versus our intern, Billy Football.
He's fighting our intern, Billy Football. Jose is fighting for the, what's the name of the belt? The name of the belt is Jose Canseco is a rat snitch and no one really likes some championship of the world belt.
That's just the name of the belt. We didn't have nothing to do with that.
It's actually a coincidence that you're in this fight. Yeah.
We do this every single time. This is always our Super Bowl fight.
That's the belt that's always up for grabs. So, Jose, I guess let's start with how are you feeling? Do you think that you are going to beat Billy Football, our intern? Do you think he has a chance? Yes.
Yeah, he's going to beat you. Really? I would like to put a side bet on that.
What would you like to bet? Half a million dollars. I'll say it right now.
You have half a million dollars? Half a million dollars. That was actually my second question is how bad do you need this money? I don't.
Okay. But if you would, I would say right now, if Big Cat would like to bet a half a million dollars on TV, what do you got, $50,000? I'm not betting $50,000 on my insurance.
You see, so talk is cheap. I mean, I don't think you have, you don't have, I'll bet $5,000.
Here we go, five grand that I beat him easily. Okay, so you have to knock him out there.
Easily. So you have to knock him out.
Whatever you want to say, I'm going to beat him easily. Wait, no, no.
If you don't knock him out, then you don't get my five grand. If he runs around, I'm not going to be able to catch him, obviously.
Wait, but... You just said you would beat him easily.
Easily. Did I say I was going to knock him out? Do you speak English? What does easily mean? Do you speak English? Si, hablo inglés.
No, you don't speak English or Spanish properly, obviously. So you tell me what knock out easily means.
And don't try to get into a vocabulary conversation with me. You're not there yet.
You're a good vocabulary conversationist? Absolutely. Don't even get there.
You don't know me. You don't know me.
Nobody knows me. Okay.
So I responsibly wager. I responsibly wager.
I don't wager beyond my means, Jose. Please.
5,000. I would tell you, please do the same.
5,000. I'm going to beat him easily.
So you have to knock him out. The problem? No.
If you knock him out, I'll give you 5,000. I didn't say that Okay, you're going to give me $5,000.
But here's the key. If he runs from me, I'm not going to chase him.

Can you explain what your words mean, though?

Because this bet makes no sense.

I think I'm willing to do this bet, but I need to understand what you think knockout

easily means.

Will you bet some money?

As soon as you explain to me what knockout easily means, then we can talk.

If you have a problem, Jose, call 1-800-GAMBLER.

Do you have a problem?

I don't gamble.

Okay, fine.

All right.

You literally just tried to bet us a half million dollars. That's irresponsible, dude.
Against you guys. Against you guys.
That's irresponsible. Because you backed out of a fight.
Well, okay, so let's talk about it. I said that I would fight for A-Rod's honor two years ago.
You decided in December. No, that's not true.
I accepted it right away. No, it's not.
Yeah, it is. So you tweeted me.
Why would I not fight you? I don't know. I didn't have any contact with you.
Do you think you can fight me now? The first contact I had in December. Do you think you can fight me now? No, I don't want to fight you.
And you call me a pussy and I'm fine with that. You can't.
Yeah, that's fine. I don't want to fight you.
You may have a better chance than Billy. Maybe that's true.
Because at least you might get a little heavier at least. Thank you.
I appreciate that. He's only 215.
I'm almost 270. Listen, Billy has wanted to fight in rough morality for the last year.

Okay.

He is fighting a guy who's way bigger than him, who's been on steroids his entire life.

I'm talking about you now. You don't know what I've been on or what I've been doing.

I read your book.

You have no idea.

I looked at the words in your book.

You could read?

Yeah, I looked at the words in your book.

Did you read your book?

We'll talk about your book in a second.

Wow, I wrote my book.

Did you read it?

I wrote my book.

Answer the question.

Did you read your book?

I wrote my book.

That answers the whole question. No, it isn't.
You didn't read it. You wrote it.
You looked at the 20 pages of pictures that are in the middle of the book. Where are we going with this, guys? All right.
Wait. First of all, let's do some ground rules.
How do we know that you're really you and you're not your brother? You know, you're very disrespectful for a young punk. I am a young punk.
He's only 28. I appreciate that.
You're very disrespectful for a young kid. And you know what? I said to you.
And you backed out of a fight out of a fight. As a matter of fact, let's do this.
How about if I fight all three of you tomorrow? We're doing an interview right now. How that works.
I'm not laughing. I'm going to ask you a question, Jose.
At the same time. And then you're going to answer the question.
At the same time. But we do MMA.
How's that? Okay. Sure.
Yeah. You laugh because you're scared.
No, I don't know what you're talking about. You have a fight ready to go tomorrow night.
You're going to fight Billy Football. This gets disrespectful.
You backed out. You keep saying that, and I admit it.
You're asking about steroids. So where are you guys getting at? Are you saying you didn't do steroids? Oh, of course I did.
So can I actually ask a real question? Do you think I would look like a genetic freak if I didn't? Can we be cool for a second? I am being cool. You guys are the ones that attacked me.
So let's be cool for a second. Okay.
How strong did you actually feel when you did steroids? Because I've always wanted to feel fucking strong. You can't measure it.
Really? No. How many years did you do steroids for? A long time.
Did you do them after your career? Of course. Do you still do them? Of course.
Okay. So when we said that you're a steroid user.
It's called testosterone therapy. I have low T myself.
I got super high T. Would you think that I should? Recommended by doctors with a prescription.
That's how you should be using it. Okay.
I don't know if you have low T or not. Would you recommend I should use steroids? I think everyone should use it at our age, for sure.
At our age? At our age. So you and Big Cat.
Not you. You're young.
I mean, obviously, I don't think steroids are going to do anything for you. Tight body.
My balls are too big. Actually, I should probably get on steroids just to shrink my balls to an acceptable size.
Dude, please. Don't even go there.
Does it shrink your balls? You're just a kid. You're just a kid.
What are your thoughts on Dogecoin? Hey, listen. The adults are talking.
It's the other conversation. What are your thoughts on Dogecoin? What's that? Dogecoin?

What about Dogecoin?

Are you in on it?

No.

Why?

Because I don't like any type of investment.

I don't like the stock market.

I don't like anything like that.

Okay.

How do we know that you're actually you and you're not Ozzy?

When adults have a conversation. Can we see your tattoo?

Did you not see me take my shirt off?

No, I didn't.

Did you not see my tattoos?

I didn't look at that. Then rewind it and check it out.
You're out on Dogecoin. Car washes? Are we going to talk about the fight or car washes? Well, I would like to know.
I'm trying to figure out your portfolio. Where's A-Rod? A-Rod's probably in Miami.
I mean, you vouch for the guy. You love the guy.
You would fight me for the guy. Where is he? Yeah, I took that back.
I took that back for the record. How come he's not fighting his own fights? I took that back.
I don't want to fight for A-Rod. He's 6'3", 6'4".
He's about 240, 250. He's 10 years younger than I am.
Why isn't he fighting? Where's your beef start with A-Rod? He knows. He knows what I'm talking about.
A-Rod, you know what I'm talking about. Who do you have the biggest beefs with? Not Billy.
I actually like Billy, but it's sad that I'm going to have to take care of him. What's your strategy? We were just saying actually a second ago that Billy and you, if you were left in a room together, you'd probably become best friends.
That's true. I like Billy.
Yeah. You guys just put him in a really bad position right now.
Well, no, he wanted to fight. Yeah, but the way you guys promoted this, the way you're Frank the Tank, whatever.
What's your problem with Frank? You're your pep ball. Well, he's getting real personal.
Like, this guy's getting personal. Okay.
And I tend to respect people until I lose respect for them. Okay, so Frank the Tank, just so you know, is like a fan favorite.
So I don't know if you have any. I'm not a fan favorite, so what? Yeah, but I'm telling you, like, don't.
Frank, take off limits. If you say so.
I agree. It's chaps.
We'll keep him up. I don't know what you're reaching for there.
Jose, I tweeted at you earlier tonight, and I said that it smells like monster energy drink, scented body spray, and tanning oil. So Jose must be close by.
You said that I should say that to your face. Hey, one of that three ain't bad.
It's baby oil, not tanning oil. I'm saying it to your face.
I was wrong, though. I was wrong.
I think you smell more like if, like, the Irish Spring Factory blew up. That's the vibe that I'm getting right here.
I never use Irish Spring. Or like an Amaral scented candle.
Never in your life? No, incorrect. Hmm.
If you never in your life use Irish Spring. No.
Not once? I don't think so. That's weird.
But I did read your book. That's totally true.
I actually thought it was a very interesting read. I read about 10 years ago.
My favorite part was the part about Madonna. Can you talk about how Madonna wanted to fuck you? And then you were like, no, you're not hot enough? It wasn't about fucking anybody.
It's about having children. Okay.
She wanted to have, you know, my daughter's supermodel. So I breed super kids, obviously.
Right. I'm 6'4", 270-pound super athlete.
So I'm a genetic freak. So I've had plenty of women wanted to breed with me just for the kids.
Okay. True story.
Really? Absolutely. Didn't find her attractive.
Did you read the book? I did, yeah. That's just an alpha move, though.
There you go. What's not attractive about Madonna? For my personal taste, I didn't find her comfortable.
What's your taste? You're a tits or an ass guy? No. Light meat or dead.
I like it. I'm an ass guy.
You're an ass guy? I'm a legs and butt. I knew you were.
Did you see that beautiful girl out there, that ring girl? Casey? Is that? Oh my God, I'm in love with her. Okay, just chill out, Jose.
So, yeah. All right, she's just trying to make a living.
Yeah. Doing the ring girl competition.
She's beautiful. I might marry her.
One of my favorite, well, I like the title of your book.

Your book was Juiced, Wild Times,

Rampant Roids, Smash Hits,

and How Baseball Got Big.

That's a bestseller right there

based off the title of it.

If you had to, let's say, like, Fuck, Marry, Kill,

Rampant Roids, Wild

Times, and Smash Hits,

which one would you fuck?

What? Fuck, Marry, Kill, Rampant Roids, Smash Hits, and Wild Times. Smash Hits, which one would you fuck? What?

Fuck, marry, kill,

Rampant Roids,

Smash Hits,

and Wild Times.

I wouldn't touch any of those like that.

I would fuck, I think, Wild Times.

Wild Times, definitely.

You would marry the steroids,

the Rampant Roids.

Nope.

Do you understand anything about PDs?

I do, yeah.

Please explain.

Really? The chemical breakdown?

Yes.

What they're used for?

Who created it? This is where you and Billy would be best friends. Interesting.
Billy loves them. No, Billy needs to get on steroids.
No, he doesn't use them. He's a fan of them.
Like, he's a fan of studying PEDs. So, they're all chemicals, by the way.
Okay. Simple chemicals.
So, what would you recommend to, like, a person in their mid-30s that's just looking to get in really good shape? What is a steroid that you would recommend as a starter? No, you go see a doctor right away. You have to have a prescription.
Go see a low-T specialist. And then the chronologist.
You have to see those. Talk to those guys.
Do you think you should be in the Hall of Fame? No. Why? Don't have the stats.
I've said it a million times. Barry Bonds.
Of course. So all the steroid guys should be in the Hall of Fame? I think it's what you lack to understand is that there are probably 10 in the Hall of Fame right now that use PDs.
A couple I injected myself. I won't mention who they are.
Give us one name, Jose. We got to fucking sell fights, dude.
The names are over. The names are over.

The names are over.

That part of my life is over.

So wait, but if you had 36 more home runs, that would put you at 500, right?

So at that point, would you consider yourself a Hall of Famer?

No.

But the numbers are there at that point.

Not for that era, no.

Huh.

Interesting. Do you feel like you did a good thing in retrospect,

or do you feel guilty about writing that book and naming those names?

What specifically are you talking about a good thing?

So like naming the names? What specifically are you talking about a good thing?

So like naming the names that you did in the book.

No, it wasn't a good thing.

I regret doing it.

Really?

No, it wasn't a good thing.

Why?

They were my friends.

They were my teammates.

My whole family got threatened.

I got put in jail because of it.

I got put in jail for telling the truth.

No, it wasn't a good thing.

I lost millions because of it. I'm detached from Major League Baseball completely.
So no, it wasn't a good thing. Interesting.
So I noticed that in the book, you said that you were, you felt like you were blackballed and that they set you up for a positive drug test, right? Like 2002, 2003. Do you think, did they really, did they set you up for that? Do you think that somebody...
That's a whole nother story. We don't have enough time for that.
Oh, we have as much time as you need. No, we don't have enough time.
Give us one name. No.
One. What if we just said names? Mike Messina.
Is he in the whole thing? Is he? I think he just got inducted, right? Yeah, he might have. Is that...
I don't know. Tim Wakefield.
Is that who you're thinking? Definitely not. Okay.
Guys, I'm not going to give you a name. Let's move on.
Okay. Let's talk about something that I think we can bond over.
Are you still actively searching for Sasquatch? You guys are funny. Do you guys believe everything I say? Yeah.
A lot of it is entertainment, guys. Now, this actually hurts my feelings because I i was like at the end of this whole thing you know you're fighting billy we've had the beef we're gonna walk away and be like hey that was cool we sold a bunch of fights let's go fucking find sasquatch are you saying that you're not down to find sasquatch no i didn't say that you didn't say specifically what you were talking about.
You said Sasquatch, aliens, this and that, that, and this.

I don't know.

So which one are you going to hunt?

I don't know.

Are you down for any of them?

Yes.

Okay.

Sasquatch.

Sure.

That's another thing you and Billy would bond over is Billy actually wants to go find.

He's a big cryptozoologist guy.

So I really do think that you will be best friends.

You like fight, you'll punch each other in the face, and then you'll just hang out. I've done that with people before.
And, yeah, I agree. As a matter of fact, I'm old enough to be his grandfather.
So I was talking today. I saw him at an actual dinner.
I went up to his whole entire family. And when I got close, they were staring at me like, holy shit, what's Conseco going to do here? Everyone literally stopped talking and was staring at me.

And then, you know,

it came to my head.

I said hi to Billy.

He was very respectful.

Got up, shook my hand.

On the way out,

I said, no hard feelings, right?

Everybody started laughing.

But if you think about it this way,

his parents grew up watching me play baseball.

I don't know about the fight

as a 21-year-old kid.

Yeah, that's got to be

pretty crazy for them.

No, it's good.

That's fun.

Well, not if I hurt the kid, no.

You're not going to hurt him. Anything can happen in boxing.
It's fun. Well, not if I hurt the kid, no.
I think you will.

Anything can happen in boxing.

When was the last time you were in a fight?

What do you mean a fight?

Punch.

People punch each other in the face.

There's a lot of yelling usually.

I don't know.

Training?

Your fist.

Yeah.

Sparring?

Well, no, like an actual fight where you're trying to hurt the other guy. It'll be a street fight here and there.
Yeah? Mm-hmm. Ooh.
How about that turn out? You rough someone up? Not well for the other guy. Oh.
Okay. Okay.
What's your strategy tomorrow night? I can't give it away. No, no, no.
We'll cut this part. Like, we won't say it.
First of all, it's pretty simple. I'm going to overpower him.

He's going to be faster.

Not necessarily faster.

He's going to move around the ring a lot.

I hope he knows how to cover up.

I hope I don't hit him too hard.

When was the last time you got hit in the face?

Probably my last fight with Hung Man Choi 10 years ago.

Okay, so it's been a while.

So you don't know what could happen when he hits you in the face.

He could.

Okay.

It is fighting, after all.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I don't think he has the outright torque or power to knock me out.

He is pretty quick, though.

He's got a lot of foot speed.

He can move around pretty well.

Not as fast as you, obviously. I did remember that you claimed that you ran a 3.940 back in the day.
4.2940. 4.29.
That's really fast. That's 30 years ago.
You weren't even born back then. You're right, I wasn't.
That's true. I glinted in my father's eye at that point.
You were not born back then. I was six years old.
Yeah. When you went 40-40, you didn't really know that 40-40 was a record, right?

I didn't think it was a big deal.

That was actually, you know what, I'm going to give you credit, Jose.

That was cool when you called your shot on 40-40.

Yeah, I didn't think it was a big deal.

I thought it was done before.

I said, for 6'4", 245 pounds, I'm pretty fast, that I can possibly do it. I said, I'm going to do it.
I did it. Do you have a favorite home run? I think the one I hit over the lights on Fenway.
Never been done. Yeah.
Remember when the ball went off your head and over the – That was my twin brother. Okay, there we go.
That's funny. That's fucking funny, dude.
I don't care what people say. You could be funny sometimes.
Damn it. I didn't want to laugh at you.
I told him not to play in that game. I was feeling bad, and he wouldn't have played for me.
That was my twin brother. Well, all time back.
What happened when you went back into the dugout after that? Well, when I was in right field, my center fielder was laughing so bad, David Holtz,

because I slammed up against the wall.

I didn't realize I went over the fence.

And I took my eyes off the ball for one second.

By the time I went to pick it up, it was on top of me, slammed off my head.

I slammed to the wall, never felt it.

I'm looking for the ball on the ground.

And I looked to my right.

And the reason why I knew the ball I hit off my head was because David Holtz was on one knee laughing, literally laughing. So then that whole inning, we were looking at each other laughing.
But I knew it was bad because when I got back to the dugout, the players were not going to let me forget about it. We had a series in New York, the next series.
And I knew Yankee Stadium, the bleachers in the right side, which are the cheap seats, they were going to let me have it forever. So till today, I can say it's the most talked about blooper in history.
It is the funniest blooper, I think. By far.
I don't think anyone can ever replicate that. No, no.
I was actually going to ask you if it hurt. Because it was such a hard hit ball.
It has to be to get that far out there, but you just didn't feel anything at all.

No.

Happened so fast.

Did you get a call from Adana afterwards?

Like, hey, pregnancy pack, over.

No, I'll tell you another funny story.

I had met my second wife, Jessica, the day before that.

I invited her to the game.

She went to the game and saw that happen the first time she ever saw me play.

She didn't know much about baseball, but she asked me, do players do that all the time? I go, yeah, I do that all the time. It's part of the game.
All right. True story.
You played it off, yeah. That was funny.
Do you think your playing style would translate better into today's game? Yes, because today's game is more swing and miss, strikeouts, home runs. Basically, home runs kind of predicate 80% of the actual games.
If you look at what's going on today, yeah, for sure. Do you think you're misunderstood? It depends on what you think about me.
Like if people would say, I'm not saying this, but people say like, oh, scumbag. What? Wait.
Something big thing is going through.

People would say, like, scumbag, jerk-off, dildo, weirdo, jerk-bag, cheater, asshole.

Porn or something.

Like, you know.

Dildo, jerk-off.

Fuck face, dickhead.

Do you think that's.

Slap dick.

Slap dick.

Would you think that that would be misunderstood?

I think it depends on the person. Yeah.
Of course, the individual. What type of time they spent with me, under what circumstances.
Depends. How would you describe yourself? Well, let's put it this way.
If you were going into the Hall of Fame and somebody's making an induction speech for you, they're introducing you. How do you think that person would describe you, as a

ballplayer, as a person?

Completely misunderstood.

Okay. You had it right.
We got there.

Misunderstood. Completely misunderstood.

How would you like to be understood?

I don't want to be understood. I don't need to prove

myself to anybody. My close friends and my family

know who I am. That's all I need.

Do you tweet your own tweets?

No. Okay.
So who tweets them? Some are mine and some are not. You gotta figure out which are mine and which are not.
The hunting Sasquatch? Is that you? That's mine. Okay.
I'm really upset that you don't want to hunt Sasquatch. What about when you shot your finger off? I can't help but notice you have all your fingers.
Oh, so that was... Oh, he's giving us the finger.
I shot this one. How'd that happen? Cleaning four guns at once.
Very quickly. Wow, that was smart.
It wasn't smart. You should only do three at a time.
The fourth one is always the one to catch you. No, you should be careful.
Whatever happened to your turtles? Gosh, how do you know about my... They're called tortoises.
Okay. What happened to your tortoises? Let me ask that question.
Hey, Jose, whatever happened to your tortoises? Perfect. I think I gave most of them away and not all of them away.
How? How could you do that? I've had them for a long time moving from place to place. You just don't have the environment to handle them.
They need a specific environment, so you have to give them away. But they loved you.
I know they told me that. They might have hated you because you are misunderstood.
No, they understood me completely. They might have been like, this guy's a fucking jerk off.
No, they love me. They love me.
What is a slap dick? It's fun to say. Define it.
I don't even know what a slap dick is. I think it's like pornography.
You know it when you see it. Jose Canseco, slap dick.
Can you slap your dick. Other people would say that, not me, again.

Do you slap your dick when you see me?

No, I haven't done any dick tapping in a while. That sounds like a slap dick to me.

I didn't know you slapped your dick every time you saw me.

Who is your favorite

teammate you've ever had?

Walt Wise, short stuff for the Oakland A's.

You guys got along real well? Yeah, great guy.

Was that because he was, like, really good

at injecting it? No, he never touched any of that stuff.

Just a very nice guy, very respectful, great family.

And I introduced him to his first wife.

His wife in general.

Yeah, yeah.

His wife in general.

Wait, his wife?

Does he have a second wife?

Well, we were on a double date.

And believe it or not, he ended up marrying the girl I was dating that night.

Ah, oh, you got cucked by Walt Weiss.

No, I didn't like the girl.

I said, Walt, why don't you take her?

You go out with her.

And he liked her and then I'm getting married.

Okay.

And they're still married?

I think so.

First wife is a strange way to put that, but I respect it.

That implies a second wife.

I'm guessing that he hasn't remarried.

Okay.

Who was your least favorite teammate?

I didn't have a least favorite teammate.

Really?

I liked them all, yeah.

Which guy, if you could pick any guy who you haven't talked to in 15 years

because you've been outcast of Major League Baseball,

what guy do you wish you could rekindle a friendship with?

Mark McGuire.

But it's been over 20 years now.

And you haven't spoken to him once?

No.

And if you were in the same room with him, how do you think that would go? Would you guys instantly just do the Bass Brothers thing? No. I don't know.
That would be funny. That would be a good thing to see.
I don't know. I'm sure he may be pissed off at me because I talked about him with the steroid issue.
But one guy would love to, if you can arrange it, will be Alex Rodriguez in the ring. Yeah, I don't think I can.
Please, if you can arrange that, I'll pay you everything I make that night. I need to teach that boy a lesson.
You know what it's about, Alex. You and I need to go in the ring.
Stop being a bitch. It's just I'm more and more intrigued.
I don't like that word. The more that you keep saying that you know what it's about, the more I want to know what it's about.
How do you not know what it's about? If you put your hand over the mic, say it. I thought you were watching my Twitter account.
Have you guys not seen me tweet the issue about my ex-wife, Jessica? I don't have the alerts set up. Well, then you know.
That's what it's about. I'm not talking about another man's ex-wife, whatever.
He's a scumbag. I don't like that.
He was cheating on Jennifer Lopez. No, that's not confirmed.
Don't tell me what he was and wasn't doing. You don't tell me.
Don't tell me what he was and wasn't doing. You don't.
Don't tell me, please. I was there when it happened.
You were hanging out with him? No, with Jessica. I was right there.
Okay, you don't tell me. Oh, please.
Oh, you please. Why do you protect him so much? I'm not really, actually.
Do you like protecting liars? He's not a liar, so trick question. But if you were lying, would you protect him? He would never lie, so trick question.
Oh, so he doesn't lie. Boy, you're demented.
I mean, you're asking trick questions. I'm answering them.
I've always wondered why do you inject the steroids in the ass? Could you just put it like anywhere else?ute is one of the largest muscles in the body. Except you may

not have an ass. No, I got a big ass.

Let me see. Yeah, I'm thick like a

bowl of oatmeal. Let me see.

No, you have a flat ass.

No, no.

He's showing the full ass. He's got a flat ass

and it's red. And it's red and white.

Full ass. Full ass.

At least it's my favorite color.

How deep did you get a needle into that?

Are you going to take service before the fight? No. Like tomorrow? No.
How often do you take it? The testosterone. How often do you take it? I think the doctor ingest me.
One every 14 days. Okay.
So when was the last time you had one? A week ago, maybe. You feeling like a big, strong man from it? No, I feel the same as before.
Okay. No, it doesn't work that way.
It's not like a drug, like a liquor or marijuana or that kind of stuff that hits you instantly. That's the way it works, guys.
How does it work? I'm actually curious. We don't have enough time for this show to explain to you the chemical buildup of PEDs.
Do you actually have to work out, or can you just take the steroids and you'll be strong? I think you have to work out and diet. Yeah.
Okay. I don't like that.
What's your diet like? I'm a genetic freak. I eat whatever I want.
Anything? Absolutely. So why don't you tomorrow before the fight, you and I go out to dinner.
All you can eat Pizza Hut buffet. I can do that.
Let's fucking do it. As a matter of fact, I like to carve up before I fight.

Yeah, so let's see who can eat more pizza, me or you.

Well, I don't want to throw up in the middle of the ring.

I mean, you're genetic free.

I'll eat a couple slices.

Yeah.

Hey, you're genetic free.

You eat it all.

It doesn't mean I can overeat and throw up like a slob.

I don't want to look like Frank.

Oh, come on.

Oh, I had to.

Frank is lost.

Hey, underhand softball.

He's lost weight. He's down like 70 pounds.
Bullshit, Jose. You know it.
Underhand softball. I just hit it 500 feet.
He drinks mostly. You know it.
They want everything their weight. You know that's bullshit, Jose.
They want everything their weight. He's raw-dogging.
He's not even eating the buns. And I'm proud of him.
I'm glad he lost 70 pounds. Yeah, he did.
You would be great friends with Frank. Frank's fucking, he's a seam head.
He's a G. He loves baseball.
A seam head and a G. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
That's what, when you put a picture of Frank the Tanker for me. What's a seam head? He's a fucking G.
Baseball fan. Yeah.
Oh. I think I might have invented that.
I'm a little old-fashioned guy. I don't know about seam heads.
Yeah, no, he's a seam head. I think it's just a word that we came up with.
You must not be a seam head. Yeah.
I don't like baseball at much. Really? Why? I don't like sports in general.
What is that? Why?

I just don't. Like, did you fall

out of love with them? I assume you at

one point loved sports, loved baseball at least.

Yeah, but I mean, I don't

follow it, and I don't sit at home

wasting away like a couch

potato just watching sports.

That feels directed towards me.

Am I looking at you? Yeah, you are.

You don't look like a couch potato. You look alright.
Oh, thank you. Now you, I don't know about you over here.
I mean, how old are you? I'm 27. No, you're 28.
You should be in way better shape than that. I'm 28.
I should be, yeah. It's a long 27 though.
Like, I mean, if you're a blogger like me, that's actually harder on your body than being an athlete. Mm-hmm.
I can see that. Yeah, I know it's tough.
I can see where your job is hard.

You know what, though?

I've considered taking steroids because I remember that you said in your book.

Well, don't do it while you're blogging.

You're just sitting there.

It's not going to work.

No, but you said that there's a mental aspect to it, and it gives you the confidence of

knowing that you're like a superhero.

You're like Superman when you're on the juice.

But people don't understand.

You can't just inject the stuff and become a professional athlete or look like a bodybuilder. It takes hours upon hours of work.
Okay, like six? I used to work out six to eight hours a day, yeah. Between track and working out, yeah, that's my workout.
What do you bench right now? I don't lift. Yes, you do.
Pussy? I don't. Really? I'm a genetic freak.
I tell you, I don't need to. I don't believe you.
What could you bench right now? Nothing. You can't bench anything? No.
I don't. Yeah.
I don't know. 300? I really don't know.
250? I have no idea. 286? I've never benched over 225 pounds.
Really? 40 times, but. You're right.
You aren't a Hall of Famer. That's a fact.
All right. Anything else? I mean, this has been a great interview.
Do you have any questions? I've enjoyed this. I want to know if you can get A-Rod to fight.
I don't think I can. How much power and authority do you have? Very, very little to none.
Actually, I'd say none. I thought you were the man here.
You're talking about now A-Rod Corp., which is a subsidiary of my life, and I am basically an intern there.

So.

There you go.

So what do you mean?

I can't get him.

You can talk A-Rod into getting to the right.

Tell him I'll fight him with one arm tied behind my back.

Which one?

My right.

I'll never hit him with my right.

Dude, that's such a layup.

You could have just hit my dick.

My third arm.

Well, I'll fight him with one arm.

I tried to set you up, Jose, to make you look good, and you made yourself look bad.

No.

Do you have any questions for us?

He wants to fight A-Rod.

I don't know what I can do.

I'll ask him.

Yeah, I don't want to fight you guys.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You guys are cool.

We talked you out of it.

Listen, I don't like...

I never wanted to fight you guys.

Why would I fight...

You wouldn't be a fight.

You might be a fight, but you're not a nice guy.

I'm a fighter.

I'm a fighter.

I'm a fat and slow and a pussy. How old are you now? 36.
You guys are babies. Yeah, we really are.
Well, we're not genetic freaks, Jose. I got furniture older than you guys.
We're not genetic freaks. I work older than you guys.
That's embarrassing for you to say that you have that outdated furniture. No.
Maybe mine or not. All right, so hey, let's do this, though, for real, Jose.
For real. What? Because we started the podcast interview with a bet.
Let's do this. $1 Jose For real Because we started the podcast interview With a bet Let's do this $1,000 me and you straight up barstool fund Just $1,000 donation If Billy wins You donate $1,000 If Jose wins But I will donate $1,000 To be honest I like him and his family's here.
I don't want to hurt him. And that's the honest to God's truth.
So don't. Take a dive.
I'm not going to take a dive either. Take a dive, Jose.
No. I'm going to beat him.
Have some fucking self-respect. I'm going to beat him.
Take a dive. It just depends on what he does and how much I'm going to hurt him.
Jose, if you take a dive, here's what we're going to do for you. All right? You're going to get me A-Rod? No.
If you... Hold on.
Hold on. If you guarantee me...
No on. If you guarantee me I can fight A-Rod here in Barstow, I will take a dive tomorrow.
That's how bad I want that punk bitch. If you take a dive, we'll have you back on the show and we'll make you look awesome.
Nope, I want A-Rod. I think you're going to look awesome out of this.
I want A-Rod. I think you're going to look okay.
Yeah, you're going to look pretty good. I want A-Rod.
Start out pretty hot. I want A-Rod.
How much Dogecoin would it take for you to take a dive? I don't know. I want A-Rod.
Don't you get it? How many car wash tokens? I've known that kid. He was a little bitch.
What? Stop saying the B-word. You know what? You can't use the B-word here? Not on this show.
Really? No. But can you use fuck? Yeah.
Yeah. And you can't use bitch? Yeah.
No. What kind of bullshit show is this? Yeah, bullshit's great.
Because we got fucking sponsors, dude. Oh, because some of your sponsors are bitches? No.
God damn it. Stop saying that word.
Well, I don't understand it. You can't say that word on the show.
So you can use fuck, which is much more. I can say like, hey, Jose, you're a fuckstick, dildo, weirdo, jerk off.
No, stop. We're going to have to bleep all these out.
You are serious or you're fucking with me? No, we're serious. Are they fucking with you? Have you ever listened to a podcast? Are they serious? Dead serious.
It's literally the only word we can't use. It's the third rail.
It's sponsorship issue. Okay.
Because of the female demographic or something? No, we have a... Have you ever heard of these dog toys that were made for female dogs and we sponsor it? Okay, whatever.
That's fine. Chew-chews't daddy yeah you can call him you're allowed to call future hall of famer great businessman father well he should president of the corp yeah he should be another there we go okay now we found some i tell it straight like it is he should be in the hall of fame okay and you Did you really not have the found some.
I tell it straight like it is. He should be in the Hall of Fame.

Okay.

And you don't.

Did you really not have the numbers?

I actually haven't looked through your numbers.

Like, I'm being dead serious.

No.

He's almost at 500, which is what I was asking him.

Listen, I don't have the numbers because I didn't play enough.

I was injured too much.

I am 12th in the world with whole month's prep bat ratio.

That's not the point.

The point is, I was on the DL too much.

I was hurt too much.

I had 11 surgeries while I was playing baseball.

That's too much.

I still hit 462 home runs, but I really only played 15 years.

That's it.

That's what I played.

A-Rod, by the way, played 23-24.

So, now, if you would have done my home runs per at-bat ratio over a 24-year-old period,

I would have had 760 home runs. Which? If I would have stayed healthy.
Would have made you the home run king. Easily.
Wow. Home run king, Jose Canseco.
All I ask is do the numbers. Don't go back.
Do the numbers. Okay.
Do the home runs prep bat, the ratio. Then give me 23 years at 600 plate appearance.
It gives me about 750 home runs. Okay.
Hall of Famer, Jose Canseco. No.
Yes or Hall of Famer? No... Hall of Famer if we didn't get hurt.
We made the Hall of Very Good. Hall of Very Gooder, Jose Canseco.
I don't qualify. Do you think the steroids...
I'm the honest guy you're ever going to meet. I don't qualify.
I don't have the stats. I didn't play enough.
I was too injured. There you go.
Okay. Do you think the steroids made you injured? No.
I think 6'4", 245 pounds, running 4'2", 9 did. But that, you're genetic free.
Playing outfield. How do you get hurt if you're genetic free? You still take a pounding.
Yeah. You still take a pounding.
You try sliding and playing outfield the way I did. You still take a pounding.
It's still hard on your body. Did they still have the greenie coffee when you were playing? In the beginning, yes.
What was that like? I i did it one time and i'll tell you what i tried it one time i think i had a triple when i was on third base my mouth was so dry i could barely breathe never touched it again but after the greenie period came out the steroid era came in remember the steroid era replaced the cocaine the drinking drinking, and the greening era. Steroid era replaced that era.
Some might say that the steroid era is actually safer. If you do it properly with the right supervision, use the right chemicals, the right combination, and the right diet, yes.
Okay. Any regrets? We all have regrets.
I wish I would have never used steroids. I wish I would have never gotten married the first time.
I wish I would have never written a book. I wish I would We all have regrets.
At my age, I have a lot of regrets. Sure.
Okay. Anything that you're really glad that you did? I had a beautiful daughter.
Which I'm going to fight her boyfriend next. Who's that? Logan Paul.
Oh. Yeah, this is kind of the qualifier.
But I heard a rumor, so I think this is why you don't like Frank the Tank. Is it true that if you lose to Billy, then Frank the Tank gets to date your daughter? I'm not going to lose to Billy, so don't worry about it.
But Frank the Tank gets to date your daughter. If I lose to Billy, Frank can have my daughter for a night.
I'll bet. Wow.
Okay. But what happens if I beat Billy? You can have Frank for a night.
I like this guy. He's way better than you.
It seems like a good deal. And then again, he's the boss.
He's your boss, right? No. No, he's not my boss.
What? I'm an intern at A-Rod Corp. Wait a minute.
Who's the boss here? There is no boss. How can that be possible? We don't have a boss.
There has to be a boss. We have.
I mean, Dave is our boss. He's not here yet.
Has to be a captain. Dave is our boss.
He's not here. Has to be a producer.
Yeah, that's our producer. Where? Hank.
Oh, so you're the boss. What's your name? Hank is the boss, people.
Jake is the boss. These two are just a little intern peons.
Yes. And I'm talking to these guys.
Yes. And Jake's the boss.
Jake, want to do the interview? Want to hang out with me tonight? Jake's right here. Jake's the big J.
Oh, this one. Yeah.
I thought you said this one. No, no.
Hank is the producer. Jake also and Bubba.
So you're both Hank and Jay are producers. Yeah.
And Bubba. We're their little B-I-C-Hs.
Yeah. Yeah, we can't say that word.
These guys are all right. Yeah, you know, Jose, I never really disliked you.
You just like A-Rod too much. You like liars.
Again, I don't know why that happens. When you say you like liars and I like A-Rod, I don't know how those two things go together.
A person does not tell the truth is a liar. But why would you say A-Rod? A-Rod's not a liar.
He always tells the truth. Keep believing that.
You live in a dream world. I'm living the dream.
You're right. World.
I'm living the dream. World.
I'm living the dream. I'll do this all fucking night, Jose.
Dream world. Seriously, though, we got to.
I do want to find Sasquatch with you. Dream world.
So, like, put all this shit aside. You and I got to go find Sasquatch.
You got to make me part of this show. Listen, after I beat Billy, I'll fight for you guys.
You bring anybody you want, and I'll tear him up. Okay.
I actually might take you up on that. You have to bring A-Rod.
You got to bring A-Rod. I might tear you up on that.
You guys in on that? Yeah, I'll fight for you guys. You bring anybody you want and I'll tear him up.
I actually might take you up on that. You have to bring A-Rod.
You guys in on that? Yeah, I might. We do need a podcast enforcer.
You need a guy like me who tells the truth all the time. Who says how it is all the time.
And can fight everybody and beat him all the time. And you do know a lot more about steroids than him.
And that's kind of the only reason we have him around.

I know more about steroids than most doctors, most endocrinologists.

Believe me when I tell you that.

Okay.

All right.

Well, worst of luck tomorrow night.

Billy's going to kick your ass.

I'm serious.

Billy's going to kick your ass.

But you know what, Jose?

When Billy kicks your ass, don't worry.

I'll say nice things about you.

We all can dream.

So it's $2,000 to $1,000.

To the Barstool Fund.

All right.

That's fine. One to one.
No, no. We're going to donate $2,000.
So we'll just donate $8,000. You donate $8,000.
Got it. All right.
Perfect. And the Frank part of the bet.
But yeah, we'll talk about that later. Well, that's...
So I get Frank. Okay, I'll take Frank.
Yeah. Okay.
All right. Thank you, Jose.
All right, guys. We're going to get right back to the show.
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All right, back to part of my take. Okay, let's wrap up.
Remember, buyrnr.com. That was a wild interview with Jose Canseco.
Billy, we don't like him, but you would be best friends with him because your interests are pretty much exactly the same, and that's PEDs working out and just being dudes. Yeah, I think we'd have a great podcast.
Yes, that's true. Fuck, dude, if this made...
It'd actually be great. Sidebar PFC? Just for a second.
Billy would move to Vegas, so we wouldn't... Oh, yeah.
Billy, you should totally do a podcast. I believe in you.
You guys would actually get along swimmingly. Dude, he wants to go find Bigfoot.
I want to go find Bigfoot. I think he thinks that you're sweet.
Yeah, he does. Like in a cool way.
Yeah, no, dude. Guys, seriously, I've been playing like a choir boy around him.
And being like, oh, hi, nice to meet you. Don't give up your...
Yeah, but this isn't going to air in time for him to know. I'm going to skull fuck him.
I don't care. Yeah, you're right.
It won't air in time. He's not going to fucking listen.
I don't think he can. He can't read or listen.
No one tweeted at him. Dude, I'm absolutely going to skull fuck him Yeah you're right He's not gonna listen He's not gonna fucking listen I don't think he can He can't read or listen No one tweeted about him Dude I'm absolutely Gonna skull fuck him Like no doubt He's tiny I mean like yeah He looks big He's 20 pounds But I just care about The frame I just care about the frame He has a smaller frame Than I thought Okay so Billy Which means less reach Billy came We did the weigh in And Billy was like came back ear to ear and was just like i feel so confident like what what what change he's like he's not as tall as i thought he was so we're back to if you're tall you win a fight and if you're short you lose yeah yeah i mean that was nate robinson respect mask yeah yeah i see his mask but i think it's mostly non-functional okay uh all right let's let's do Firefest, and then we'll wrap up with some parting words about the fight.
Hank, you want to do your Firefest? Yes. You're sick and going to die.
Yes. I mean, that's a very valid one.
Bronchitis. Switch to 3G, man.
First of all, play Barstool.com if you want to bet on Billy.

We didn't mention that.

One second.

I lost my...

Okay, should I just go?

Yeah, go, PFT.

Hey, Hank, we'll circle back to you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Circle back.

I got it, I got it, I got it.

Wait, Hank, let's circle back to Hank.

I'm not going to be able to watch the Super Bowl.

What? You're talking about John Clayton? Because DirecTV and CoxTV can't reach a deal for Channel 7 in Seattle. I've been to 45 Super Bowls, missing my first since 1983.
Locast has problems connecting. I'm in the Hall of Fame, and DirecTV is shutting us out.
So this is actually my fire fest because I haven't been able to help John Clayton. That's a tweet from John Clayton for those that don't understand.
He just casually threw in, I'm a Hall of Famer, just in the middle of that tweet. Unbelievable.
If you have to pick a time to use it, this is the time. He's been to, what, 45 Super Bowls? This is a job for Sean Salisbury.
If you guys are actually best friends, if this has been a lifelong lifelong commitment that you guys have had to each other your brother's from another mother i expect sean to step in and to try to do the skull fucking just throwing in i'm a hall of famer i mean that is it listen if you're a hall of famer there's a lot of perks coming coming your way you know you can sign autographs forever people want to talk about you people will always introduce you as a hall of famer but really when it comes down to it the number one perk is when you're complaining about your cable provider you can casually slip in i'm a hall of famer in that tweet and john clayton's old enough where he's not there's no joking there's no no no no he just actually tweeted 10 minutes ago saying try to the site but it doesn't login. John Clayton.
John, we can help you at Locus with your streaming. Visit helpcenter.locus.org and enter your login address.
We have technicians standing by tonight. So I think he just copied and pasted an email he got.
Huh. He's lost.
It's problems. John, there's this thing called the internet, and it's got certain websites on it that you can go to and watch TV on your computer i think that john clinton would not illegally stream the super bowl though i think he respects the institution too much yeah yeah this is uh i we need john clinton needs a fucking super bowl guys he's a hall of famer so i don't want to freak out if you're john clinton's neighbor you know if you're john clinton's neighbor first of all that's that's not like some guy that you don't recognize.
He's a guy that's blasting slayers. He's got that sweet ponytail.
Invite him over to your house. Just give him your house, actually.
Like, I don't want him to get sick. I don't want him to be at, like, a group party with a bunch of people.
Invite him over. Give him your house.
Take one for the team. It's the Super Bowl.
It's John Clayton. Agreed.
He's a Hall of Famer. He's a Hall of Famer.
Give him dominion in your house. Go somewhere else and watch it.
We need to solve this immediately. He's a Hall of Famer.
PFT, your fire fest. My fire fest of the week is I just found out that OJ got the vaccine before I did.
What? Oh, he's old. OJ Simpson got vaccinated.
I know technically he falls into a high-risk category. Everyone around OJ falls into a high-risk category.
Hank. But that should be one of those things where it's like the eyeball test where if you're administering potentially life saving medicine and then oj walks in there should be a doctor in the room that's like next yes we're not giving or just give him a dummy vaccine you wouldn't know what if oj was just like i'm i'm afraid of needles i have to look away.
Don't let me see it going. Yeah, wait.
Do I not get a Band-Aid and a lollipop? Yeah. Anyway, so good for OJ.
I'm glad that he's going to survive this. Awesome.
I've been worried about that. Corona's taken way too many scumbags from us, so I'm glad one of the good ones made it through.
What do you say, Billy? I don't think OJ did it. Oh, God, Billy! We were just trying to get everyone on your side, dude! I think it was his son.
No, come on! What the fuck are you talking about? That's such a perfect... I saw a TikTok.
You know what the craziest part was? My real fire fest was going to be that I don't appreciate Billy football enough and just do a whole pump up, I'm rooting for you, I really do genuinely love you, all this stuff, and then he just fucking drops that on him. I don't think he did it.
What did Bill Cosby do that was so bad? No, I didn't know because I'm too young to know what the hell. No, you're not too young.
Ray J. No.
Oh, R. Kelly.
R. Kelly.
R. Kelly.
Yeah, what did he do that was so bad?

All right, Billy.

My Fire Fest is... Why couldn't you have just not said that?

Well, you guys are looking at me like I was going to say to me.

Because it was your turn for a Fire Fest.

And we can't cut it.

My Fire Fest is going to be a headache I wake up with on Saturday

because I'm going to drink 1,000 Coors Lights after this fight.

Why would you say you're going to have a headache when...

Coors Lights?

It could also come from getting knocked out.

That was like the joke.

It was like the setup.

Okay, guys.

This direction joke is my bad.

I was trying.

Also, I was trying to feel like...

Thank you. I want you to win for me, for PFT, for Liam, for Hank, for Jake, and for every AWL out there.
We're all rooting for you. I think you're going to win.
I truly think you're going to win. Okay? I do.
The hard parts, I've done the hard part. You've done the hard part.
Just go in there and can i say one thing to you berserker mode berserker mode berserker mode i think you should just i think you might have to go berserker mode on his ass i will yeah it's gonna happen are you guaranteeing berserker mode i'm guaranteeing berserker mode when do you get when are you gonna get into berserker mode well it's it's a stage of being yeah like you know you talk about you don't want to use it too early no of course but we talked about this you know like we uh with um greg kittle we talked about how he gets this level of psychosis when he plays it's this sort of you know being where you take use your mind to get your body into a total higher element of operation yes and when we hit that after you know it's going to take meditation it's going to take i've been concentrating i've been really studying this whole training camp how to get myself in the zone and get in berserker mode and you're going to see it tomorrow night and i cannot wait i tonight tonight tonight tonight when are you when are you going to enter it though are you you going to do this before you walk out or after you get into the ring? I'm going to enter it, the state, the trance of focus, I'm going to enter before I walk out to the ring. Okay.
It's all about envisioning greatness and envisioning triumph. It's deep.
It's deep. It's hard to explain.
Right now, you've got me going into berserker mode. For you.
It's going to be insane. Honestly, I'd just like to thank everybody who's been sending kind regards and rooting for me.
Getting a lot of regards? Yeah. How many regards would you say you've had? Many.
Six regards. What about returns? Six direct regards.
That's cool. Billy, we're all rooting for you.
I let everybody down. No, no, no.
Don't think that way. I'm going to fucking win.
You're already a loser. Come on.
If he loses, he absolutely will let me down. I will be let down.
I probably won't come back. No! Don't leave.

I might need a little time off.

Don't go out to Las Vegas.

Oh, no!

Hell yeah, Billy. Hell yeah.

We're talking like a couple of four years?

I got some spots you can all recommend to. Disappear to?

I really do think you're going to win.

I'm excited for you.

You've wanted to fight in Rough and Rowdy for a while. Yeah, I know.
Honestly, when I left, I've been like, oh, shit. And I want that on the record so that if he does get knocked out, people don't blame me and PFT for making a fight.
It's basically to defend your honor. Right, but you really did want to fight.
You've been talking about it for a year now. I was, but this is the perfect opportunity.

Actually, four years, I think, you've been talking about it, pretty much.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So this is...

But if I get knocked out and egregiously massacred,

Big Cat's all on Big Cat.

It's all on him.

It's all on him.

Well, here's the spin zone.

In that case...

I absolve you of Austin.

In that case, Billy, it would actually be not the worst thing,

because then you would stop talking about wanting to fight Logan Paul.

True.

I mean, I'm retired from boxing.

But if you

win this fight,

we're going to the moon.

We're dogecoin.

Billy's boxing career is dogecoin.

Alright, Billy. We love you.

Let's do a random number.

Wait, Jake.

Jake, fire fast.

He doesn't have a mic. We can't forget about our good son Alright Whoa Jake That was weird Jake That was a weird view from the back Firefest is Nickelodeon said they considered doing a Super Bowl broadcast But they they backed out.
But we heard this during the interview. You guys have $1,000 each if he loses.
He has lots of fun. Jose will donate $1,000.
So that means a guaranteed $1,000 donation. Billy, you're going to fuck him up.
Oh! Let's go! Yes. Let's go! Dude, that's fire.
I thought your firefest was going to be that you periscoped the way in from your personal account on Twitter instead of... Hank will back me up on this.
It was a team effort. But, yes, my apologies.
No, I don't care. Jake wanted that clout.
You got that clout, baby. All right.
Numbers? 14. Bighorn sheep can withstand car accidents to their brain.

89.

Every time they hit each other. Swirls are actually a giant cult.

31.

Birds aren't real.

47.

47.

Birds aren't real.

Love you guys.

Let's go, Billy.

Berserk him out!

Woo! fucking berserk him out The storm and the thunder. And the lightning.
And the thunder. Billy's a badass piranha.
Cause he put all the work in. You got stood up by Madonna.
Because you act like a virgin. And to put it quite simply.
He's like OJ on the loose. OJ's looking so pimply.
He must be back on the juice. Yeah you're swollen and bloated.
Cause you're way overfed. Yeah you think you're an osborne.
You broke a bat with your head. Your twin might be named Ozzy.
And drugs ruined your life. But no one's carrying you cuck cause you're sharing your wife you're gonna get knocked the fuck out Billy's gonna eat your lunch he's gonna fucking rip your cock out you're gonna get punched you're gonna get knocked the fuck out Billy's gonna eat your lunch He's gonna fucking rip your cock out You're gonna get crunched Bitch, divorce, stitch Can't hit a pitch Swing and miss Your car wash bail Your life is no fun And that bomb bounced off your head For that one home run Lunch You're gonna get knocked the fuck out Billy's gonna eat your lunch He's gonna fucking rip your cock out you It's Pardon My Take presented by Barstool Sports.