Dirty Jobs Host Mike Rowe, Baseball Hall of Fame, GameStop Stock And The Origin Story Of Billy Football

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On today's Pardon My Take, Mike Rowe. Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs.
He's got a new series out. We talked to him about it, Six Degrees with Mike Rowe.
Very, very interesting interview. An interview that we started talking about jerking off chickens, and it was by far the most turkeys, the most fascinating way you could do it.
Also, he has, like, one of the greatest voices of all time. So a very fun, different type of interview that we've got for you today.
We've got GameStop Baseball Hall of Fame, Aaron Rodgers,, cleanup from Monday, Hot Seat Cool Throne, our darling Jake might have been put into a corner, a charity corner, boxed into a charity corner for swearing on the podcast. And then we finish with Guys on Chicks, a great Wednesday show for everyone.
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Today is Wednesday, January 27th. And the weight of history in your hands is heavy.
Who said that quote? Was it Winston Churchill fighting Nazis or was it Tom Verducci filling out a baseball hall of fame ballot and leaving the greatest baseball player of all time, Barry Bonds, off of it? That was JFK's inaugural address. Oh, wait.
Ask not what the writers can do for you. Ask not what baseball can do for you, Big Cat.
Ask what you can do for baseball. And in this case, it's leaving off four of the greatest players of all time so it is baseball hall of fame uh season when the writers get their shine when the writers get to tell you how important their job is to decide the fates of uh the players we love to watch which just as an aside i don't know why it's up to the writers it should be the players it should be players voting peers like, who was the hardest guy to ever get out? How about Barry Bonds? He should go in either way.
Tom Verducci. We had two, a few, few different things that happened.
Tom Verducci released a video that I'm saying, I'm going to throw it out. There is going to be unintentionally the funniest video of 2021.
It started, it was Tom Verduc sitting in his uh beautiful sunlit office or study in his house uh and some probably i don't know probably like suburban connecticut uh big guy and i guarantee he just calls that his voting room he uses it once a year to sit he sits down he's got like a specially engraved letter opener that he uses to open up the ballot and then he sits down with the one with like a quill pin and he does it every year the same way.

And so the video started.

We'll put a couple of clips in, but it started.

The weight of history in your hands is heavy.

The baseball Hall of Fame vote is a triumph in minimalism.

The weight of history in your hands is heavy. even when it is but one sheet of paper the baseball hall of fame ballot is a triumph of minimalism it's a fucking piece of paper dude and then he went this is the best part about the baseball hall of fame and these stupid fucking reporters that think they are the most important people in the world he essentially is doing a love letter to a piece of paper and the simplicity of voting via mail one page no logos no pictures received and returned by mail and it's like hey that's not something we should applaud in today's day and age when you could fucking email your vote in and not have this entire process.
He's actually was like, yeah, look, baseball Hall of Fame sends me this. They don't even stamp it because they're cheap and I got to send it back.
And isn't that just so fucking pretty? It's like day baseball games in the World Series. It's like I think he said it's like a hot dog in the bleachers.
It's like none of those things. Tom Verducci, you are you sucked your own dick for fucking six minutes with this video and i still loved it well it's perfect because day games in the world series this is like back when nobody could watch baseball on television like people missed world series games because they were at work like daytime world series games welcome to the world series no batting gloves and a hot dog in the bleachers there is a timeless beauty in the simplicity it's been this way since voting began in 1936 now you can watch it on tv everyone can watch it you tell me which is better to him it's like yeah it was only when a select few could partake in this activity that's when it was great the video was uh it was like the celeb singing Imagine video.
It's that video of 2021 where it's that self-important. They should have baseball writers like U2 and Bruce Springsteen in the background doing their own version of the Imagine video.
And it's ridiculous because Barry Bonds is a fucking Hall of Famer. So he's making a promotional video showing about how great this process is while we're leaving off one of the biggest players, one of the biggest parts of baseball history that's ever existed.
It's ridiculous. And I'd like to ask the writers, how many of you used substances and tools that weren't around for the old days of baseball writing? Do you use the internet? Guess what? Back the day they had to file it using a typewriter sounds like it's easier for you to do you should be judged against the people that you compete against not against number basically they're saying i'm not going to vote these guys in because i don't think they're better than math yes readily available espresso shots i can guarantee you they didn't have that in 1942 diet cokes nope diet cokes right exactly i mean don't even get me started with with the adderall usage of baseball uh writers it ends though tom berducci he goes this whole video and at the end he has the line i mean the fact that he's narrating his own video too is just so funny he doesn't He doesn't even realize that part.
But he says that's – so he's talking about the Baseball Hall of Fame and this very important thing, the most important thing in the entire world is filling out your Baseball Hall of Fame vote, which, by the way, 14 voters just left it completely blank, which, credit to them, that is true activism. That is true standing up against the man.
But he ends it with this whole thing about how the baseball hall of fame is so important. And he says, that's when you truly understand the weight of what you hold in your hands.
And then he gets up out of his boating room and he walks in his sun-drenched boating room and walks off without even mailing the fucking thing in yeah what i love is i i like that the guys that did not file the guys or girls that did not put a ballot in the mail and sent back in they probably just don't care they probably just didn't check the mail and they're gonna see it in there like in a month and be like, oh, shit. Yeah, here's my Hall of Fame vote.

Meanwhile, Tom Verducci is creating like jerk off instruction porn for himself. And I love that he's he essentially made this video because it's something that he would have wanted to watch a baseball writer do when he was growing up.
Right. There's really no market to himself.
There's no market for this. out there.
It's

future Tom Verducci

congratulating little Tom Verducci

on growing up and getting a ballot for the Baseball Hall of Fame and I have to take my hat off to baseball writers because they were very smart when they started the Hall of Fame because if you get in on the ground floor it's like any awards show out there if you just declare that this is an awards show that you're presenting guess what you have the power moving forward for all eternity and so then people just have to like market themselves to you and kiss your ass over the course of the years so that you're the one that gets to gatekeep this institution that really has nothing to do with writing about baseball they think they think writing about baseball is more of a sport than playing baseball correct and j, make sure you put this in there. Give us a reminder that we need to make a video sucking our own dicks before the Takey Awards this year and how important it is.
The weight of history is in our hands every time we give out a fake made-up award. The other story I saw at BFD, Mark Craig, who writes for The Athletic, wrote a column that was titled, I wanted to know why I felt so crummy about my 2021 Hall of Fame ballot, so I asked a neuroscientist.
This is real. I cannot believe these people exist.
I actually am so happy they exist because they make our job so easy. The fact that baseball writers have even like a one percent of self-awareness makes our jobs easier because we can sit back and watch tom verducci write a love letter to himself and and jerk off in his his boating room and then we can have a good laugh and be like what the fuck is baseball doing leave it up to the fans let the fans vote you just you you buried it what did the neuroscientist say did he i didn't did he have is there a brain reason why it feels bad maybe because you've convinced yourself over the years that you're so important that everybody should look up to you because you get to check a piece paper do they even get a sticker i don't even see a sticker that says i voted on it do you know what it is i could tell you i didn't read the article but i guarantee you the neuroscientist was like hey you know why you're you're having so much trouble with this is because you all made so much money writing about barry bonds and how baseball was back when sammy sosa and mark mcguire were hitting home runs and now you're playing whorlier than thou yeah that probably feels like you're a really shitty person because you are yeah exactly you're slapping the people in the face that made you all your money that got you to this point because if you're at if you're at that point in your career where you're able to make a self-documentary about your courageous votes then you're definitely a guy that was on the come up in the 90s that was just cashing the checks and everybody knew that they were using steroids this is why they should make the asterisk shaped wing of the hall of fame there should be if you want to say like okay everybody that played in the 90s and early 2000s there is there's looming doubt over whether or not you were on the juice just make a room in the hall of fame that's shaped like an asterisk and then put all the stuff in there that you have with these guys.
Let them in and then see which room gets more attendance.

The one where it's like in the dead ball era.

I'm going to go see three fingers Mordecai's exhibit again.

Or no, I'm going to go watch Barry Bonds hit a home run 700 feet.

They should actually, instead of making it the asterisk room, it should just say a big sign above it and say, these guys fucking ruled.

And you know it.

Parentheses, fuck baseball writers.

Yeah. Mike Greenberg's dumb rule is we should give more power to baseball writers.
We should actually give them the opportunity to vote people out of the Hall of Fame. We should actually make them – we should pack the court, and it should just be only – the Supreme Court should just be the baseball writers.
Well, I'm just saying, like, what if we made, like, 5,000 more baseball – if you've ever written the word baseball on the internet boom you're a hall of fame voter i have a question for jake our darling jake jake i know deep down uh there's been a point in your life where you aspired to be a curmudgeon-y baseball writer who decided who was making in the hall of fame do you still hold those feelings i mean yes you're right i my first my first step into the business was as a writer i was a sports editor for the cyberspace circuit our high school newspaper um but not really anymore because i've positioned my stance to wanting to be a broadcaster so i don't really envy uh the people who are voting i envy the people who are calling the big games. Okay.
Okay. Okay, fair.
But Jake, if you were offered a vote in the Hall of Fame, you would take it, right? It would be an honor, yeah. It would be an honor.
I think that what they should do, they should have this be like an in-person ceremony, but it's only like the most unathletic baseball writers. So the real heavy, sweaty, like 400-pound guys with suspenders and comb-overs.
I want them in a room sitting like a jury, and they bring the players up one by one like they're on trial. And then just these fat slobs have to explain to like Barry Bonds or to Alex Rodriguez, like, here's why I'm not voting you into the hall of fame and just see that dynamic in the real world at play.

Yeah.

Actually,

you know what it should be is Tom Verducci has to strike Barry bonds

out to keep him out of the hall of fame.

Yeah.

Or beat him on the field.

Yeah.

What about this?

Yeah.

What if,

what if you give Tom Verducci a knife,

right?

We're big into knives and guns in terms of our new rules this week,

give Tom Verducci a knife and then put them like on an of land with Barry Bonds. And Barry Bonds doesn't get any food or water.
And see if Tom Verducci can kill Barry Bonds within a week. I like it.
The most dangerous game. Jake, tell me this.
I just want to make sure that our future is secure. you know and not naming names but you know at

least a couple people from your life as a big j journalist that watched that tom verducci video

and they were like that was awesome yes okay good because i just want to my timeline yeah

yeah i just want to make sure there are kids still out there that are watching like mitch album

and and bob costas and tom verducci be super self-important and be like that is what i want to be well bob costas is super important so self you forgot the word self self donates money to the student radio station i got a lot of opportunities at oh wow so you're he pays you off no yeah he paid that's what happens they pay off the future broadcasters so they won't say anything bad about him. I do.
I like the idea. There should be a height, not like a height limit in terms of you're too short.
There should be a height limit in terms of you're too tall to vote for the Hall of Fame. So I only want like Ken Rosenthal and Bob Cossett.
You have to be under 5'6 to vote for the Hall of Fame. That was actually a good foreshadow because Jake did get paid off.
Listened to after the micro interview. We did get the donation to the Barstool Fund for Jake to swear on the podcast.
So make sure you tune in for that. All right.
Other things we've got to talk about. Aaron Rodgers, of course, is staying a Packer.
That was all for naught on Sunday night. Everyone melting down.
uh saying oh my god it sounds like he's saying goodbye it actually proves how ridiculous like twitter and the internet can be which we'll get to in a second with game stop but one tweet a couple tweets of people watching that zoom being like sure felt like he was saying goodbye and then it's an entire story and then he pretty much was like I'm not going anywhere. I was talking about other free agents on the team.
I knew deep down he wasn't going anywhere because I think it's destiny for Aaron Rodgers to torture my soul for another decade. But, I mean, you don't think he's going anywhere, right, PFT? I want to believe that he's going.
I'm going to pretend like he might be going somewhere for this entire offseason and probably for years after that too because it's fun to talk about. I like the fact that Aaron Rodgers knows that he's stirring up drama.
So when he did that interview after the game, he knew exactly how people were going to react. He was like, I'm going to be despondent.
I'm going to treat him like my family, essentially. We're all one big family here in Green Bay.
So I'm going to act like I'm very disrespected and like I might be on the outs and I might split after this. And then I'll come back and I'll clean it up later.
I'll get another week in the news cycle where I'll be able to like clarify what I meant. And then you have to think like the Packers, would Aaron Rodgers be able to force his way out of town? Probably.
I think if he was a big enough dick about it, he probably be able to um but i you're right i don't

think he's going anywhere but i'm still i'm gonna pretend like i don't actually believe that and like he might go somewhere because it's more fun i i think he'll just be there forever um and every time that i start to think he's getting old he'll be like oh here's another mvp um i noticed that he did not he did not say that he was not going to become the full-time host of jeopardopardy. Did not deny that.
That's true. That's true.
We have, yeah, I mean, the other, anything else from Championship Sunday? I saw that video of Josh Allen being a leader and hugging every bill on the sideline. It made me a little sad.
And, yeah, I mean, we're going to get going for the Super Bowl here soon. Yeah, I mean, I think that's about the only big story that came out of it, besides the fact that people love to remind us that we were wrong about the Chiefs.
And credit, we were the first to say that we were wrong about the Chiefs. We broke that story.
There's no need to remind me. I said it a quarter and a half into the game when I realized how wrong I was about the Chiefs.
So we own up to our mistakes. We were very wrong about the Chiefs.

And I'm going to bet on the Chiefs,

although I did kind of have a moment.

The problem with the Super Bowl is with the two weeks,

you just have so many moments where you can second guess yourself

and be like, ooh, actually, maybe I like this bet instead of this bet.

But I need someone to just hold me to it.

I'm going to bet on the Chiefs.

Yeah.

What's up, Hank? I don't think you should.. I'm going to bet on the Chiefs.
Yeah. What's up, Hank?

I don't think you should.

Why?

Oh.

Hank wants to bet on Tom Brady.

I was thinking about making the biggest bet of my life on Tom Brady before we left Detroit.

But I was like, I'm going to wait two weeks and think it out.

But I think that's where I'm going to end up.

Okay.

All right.

I like that, though.

I like a little bit of dissent.

If you can talk me into it.

Yeah.

Hank, that'll be a project. You can talk me into it.
Give us three good reasons to bet on the Bucks on Friday's show. All right.
Okay. All right.
Before we do Hot Seat, Cool Throne, GameStop. We got to talk about GameStop.
It is the story that is sweeping the internet right now. If you aren't on the internet or familiar with what's going on, here's a very shortened version of it, as far as I understand, because I asked everyone to explain to me like a six-year-old, and I got some good responses.
But essentially, GameStop is like a nothing stock. We all know GameStop.
It's a brick-and-mortar place that sells video games. It's basically a dinosaur.
And this one guy on Reddit basically has been like, hey, all these funds have shorts on gamestop for it to go down i'm gonna start pumping it we're all gonna pump it and every time it goes up the rich guys have to buy more of it to cover their short which then makes it go up even more and essentially it's a perfect storm where this stock that is essentially an obsolete stock is now gone up from $4 to $200 in the span of five days. Yes.
And the big guys are losing all the money. And the little guys on Reddit and the Internet are robbing them blind, which if you don't love this story, you have no soul.
It's awesome. I love it a lot.
And what's happening is they're finding out that message boards and comment sections are, they're like the new factories and coal mines of the 21st century. So Wall Street is, Wall Street's just now figuring out what athletic directors and Lane Kiffin have known for years, which is that like you, you cannot write any sort of federal regulation that's more powerful than just a group of people who love to post on a message board.
And they're getting fucked over by it, which is perfect for GameStop, because GameStop is actually the king of, oh yeah, your copy of Donkey Kong Country's worth 50 cents now. Sorry.
I know you paid a shitload of money for it. Yeah, exactly.
So I love it. I love buying – like people are buying stocks as a joke and it's actually fucking over entrenched Wall Street billionaires and distributing all their – they're taking money from the very rich and giving it to the poor.

So basically like the libertarians of Reddit have invented taxes.

They're just taxing people.

And I fucking – how can you root against the people on Reddit right now? Is there a reason why is there a reason why you shouldn't be are you they're heroes the only no i'm not the only thing the only thing that makes me nervous is you a stock guy i'm cynical one guy i think it's just hedge fund stands yeah i'm cynical about all this so i assume that eventually the hedge fund guys will have so much money that they can wait everyone out and fuck everyone over like i i feel like they always win no matter what even if this is it's a win the battle lose the war type of situation i don't know enough about finance but that's my that's what i'm nervous about that the little guy's winning right now but the big guy always wins but maybe i'm wrong and maybe they'll just take this fucking place down and it will be incredible it's it's like the end of your favorite book though big cat uh the big short when they're like i read it at in the movie i don't know if you've seen the movie they did make a movie about it uh at the end of the movie they're like and all the people that were involved in this got arrested and they did time and they changed the entire way that like the financial shit is structured and something like just kidding nothing really happened i feel like one guy yeah Yeah, like that's, it's the same type of thing where it's like, it should change things, but they're going to figure out a way to just pay their way out. So I saw that there was one dude that has so much exposure to it or there's a pretty big hedge fund that if it gets up to like...
Citron. No, no, there's a different one.
Melvin. If it gets up to like $150 a share, 200...
What's that, Billy? Was that Billy? Melvin. Melvin.
Melvin. If it gets up to like $150 per share, this entire hedge fund is out of business.
Which it did after hours. They're so far exposed to it.
Yeah. So what will probably happen is there's going to be one hedge fund that goes out of business, like Bear Stearns or whatever.
And then they're going to come back come back rewrite the laws so it's going to be illegal to talk about stocks online and then boom now now they're fucking you again for the next hundred years but they make you feel like you've won this one but even that melvin uh hedge fund i saw that steve cohen and another guy put in a bunch of money into it to try to save it so they essentially now own melvin and that's all it's going to happen is like the even richer guys are going to come over the top and they're going to win more than anyone but the only thing to be said is that elon tweeted out the wall street bets like he is the richest guy and he's kind of he's kind of siding with the with the rebels well he is an internet commenter right elon musk is is the first he's a redditor to become a billionaire. become a billionaire.
He's got some pull. He's got some pull.
So I kind of hope that it keeps going up. I mean, I love this.
Can we do this with another stock? I guess if we say it out loud, then we can't. No, no, no.
Not Amazon. AMC.
AMC. No stop, Billy.
Billy's like, Billy, of course, saw this, didn't understand what was going on, and was like, hey, let's just buy Blockbuster. But is it shorted, Billy? Blockbuster is cheaper.
It's over-leversed cheaper. No, but Billy, you're missing the part where someone shorted it.
Right. So that when – are you telling me that someone has shorted Blockbuster that's worth 40 cents? Yeah, way more.
Who's that's how that's what it's dead it's dead right we can still revive it i mean who out there is actually buying stocks of blockbuster not shorting it i'm pretty sure that exactly yeah i i don't know i i listen billy is not a advisor, despite what you might think about him.

I think that maybe there's a lot of people that have shorted Under Armour. I still have a lot of Under Armour stock from when I bought.
I bought a shitload of Under Armour stock just because they came out with ugly shoes for Steph Curry back in like 2016. So maybe get that rumor going out there.
Very heavily leveraged on the short side in Under Armour. Be real short if it jumped off.
I just don't. Yeah, when I asked people to explain it to me like I was six, someone told me, I think we kind of invented this idea.
Well, we didn't because it happened before. But someone said to me, ESPN tweets that Mitch Trubisky is bad.
Bears fans tweet he's good to change the narrative and make ESPN look bad. The more people that tweet Trubisky is good, the more pressure ESPN faces to tweet.
He's good. At the end of the day, ESPN is forced to tweet good about Trubisky.
That's the MVP. Yeah.
Yeah, you're right. Exactly.
What we did with the MVP, we forced them to give an award to it and we squoze, we squoze out Drew Brees and it was like his 42nd birthday or something like that. Yeah.
Yes, that's exactly. You're right.
That's actually a very good comparison for this. Whatever, whatever happens.
I, we have to get in on one side or the other. I can't just sit here on the sidelines of history and not pick a side where I'm putting my money.
I think, I think I have to buy, I think they're forcing me to buy GameStop. I, we can't, we obviously can't be on the side of the fucking hedge fund.
These guys are the worst. I'm going to buy.
They're saying the Reddit. I mean, I was reading a lot in the Wall Street Bets Reddit today, and they're all like, get to $1,000.
Hold till $1,000. Yeah.
You know that old, there's like some old Wall Street saying where they're like, the second that my dentist starts asking me about a stock is the time that I know I'm supposed to sell it. Or like the cab drivers start asking about a stock or something like that.
The second sports podcasts start talking about a stock is probably the right time to sell it. But you know what? Fuck it, I'm in.
Put you on. Put you on.
Good point. Yeah, when I asked on Twitter, explained to me like a six-year-old, a lot of people explained it to me, and about half the other people were like, well, now it's over.
Like, we've reached, if Big Cat tweeted about it. It's the dab.
Yeah, it is officially over. You're like five days late, dude.
The party's over. I am the marker.
I'm the closing bell of when the party is over. You're not that big of a mush.
I tweeted about it. I think I am because I thought about buying some, and I know it's going to go down right away.
I think that once Magic Johnson recaps the day's news on Twitter, at that point, it's time to unload. All right, let's do some hot seat, cool throne.
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PFT. Okay, my hot seat is presidential dog Twitter accounts.
You remember back in like 2016, that's when the We Rate Dogs and the Racism Dog got into a big online dispute over who was more racist. Well, these dog beefs are back in a big way.
So somebody started a Twitter account called TheOvalPawfus. Get it? Instead of office, it's with a paw.
And they tweet out statements from Joe Biden's dogs, like referring to their humans as their humans and using other like fun little dog slang like that.

Seems like it's fun, right?

Well, guess what?

They're in a beef right now with rival Twitter account at the first dogs.

And at the first dogs, their account is dedicated to the first dogs of America.

Champ and Major Biden are humans.

POTUS and FLOTUS are hecking awesome.

Right.

So you might wonder, hey, these two accounts should be on the same side here, right? Like a rising tide lifts all boats. Not the case.
The Oval Paw Office had to issue a safety announcement about their rival account. Actually, excuse me, a safety paw announcement.
Friends, the First Dogs pretends to be a White House-affiliated paw count. They have a whitehouse.gov link in their bio and made it look all very serious.
We notified Twitter safety and other relevant White House humans. We have never been mean canines before, but this is impersonating a pawfacial institution.
It's wrong. Fooling humans like that is wrong.
We know from trusted sources that are not in any way, shape, or form paw associated with White House. So it's real out here on the streets.
This is going to get ugly. I think that I stand on the side of the account that is pretending to be the official account.
Because at least they have balls enough to be saying, yeah, we're the official account of these fucking dogs. And the other is saying, we're just here to have fun pretending to be dogs online it ruins the mysticism of it for me if you're going to try to be the dog be the fucking dog yeah tweet like the dog all the time you have to do that i it's up there with the baseball writers are infatuation with the first dogs yeah for stupid shit they're hecking good wolfers and my cool throne is dead zoo animals.
Oh, that's a good term. Too soon.
Way too soon. No, no.
Way too soon, bro. Because we've been waiting for somebody to fill the gorilla-sized hole where our hearts used to be ever since 2016 when Harambe was taken from us way too soon.
And I think we have it. Nope.
I think we have it, Hank. It's Mufasa the Lion.
Mufasa the Lion. He died, right? R.I.P.
Mufasa. He was in the Singapore Zoo, right? Saving the children? No, no.
Even better than that. Did he know Cecil? He did, yeah.
They were best friends. They were pinpaws.
And they announced his death yesterday by announcing the birth of Mufasa's son Simba. Whoa.
They turned it into a life announcement being like, we have a new cub Simba. It's named after Disney's The Lion King.
And it was conceived with semen from the father, Mufasa. then they added on that Mufasa died during the ejaculation procedure when he was accidentally electrocuted

by the prod that they stuck up his ass to make him cum. So Mufasa died getting his prostate zapped and his sperm was maintained and they gave birth to his son just the other day.
If there's any justice in this world, this son will just maul all the fucking—he'll grow up to just maul all the sweet people. No, he'll bukkake everyone, all the trainers.
He'll come all over. That's what he has to do.
Yeah, he's just going to nut all over him. So Simba is—it's the continuation of Mufasa's seed, and I think that we should all respect Mufasa.
He went out. It's the ultimate high.
There are definitely going to be some people that try to chase this high. That's going to be the new autoerotic fixation.
Instead of being David Carradine hanging from a noose while you crank off, it's like just stick this electric fence wrapped around a baseball bat up your ass while you come and just let it go from there. So so yeah all right poof Mufasa um we're thinking about you buddy uh that is pretty valid that that's a pretty valid yeah valid replacement I know we should sell t-shirts or maybe Trojan Jackoff sleeves well I'm just I'm more interested I'm gonna try and keep up on Simba you know he's the chosen yeah Simba does yeah we gotta buy some baseball cards of Simba it is funny it's hot in the streets it is funny that mufasa died and got like thrown to his death and then simba is the new lion king that's exactly what's going to happen simba's either gonna just come all over him all the time or he's going to kill all the trainers yes absolutely i mean that's that's some angry jizz yeah he was made out of yeah what if it what if it's really angry this like the new x-man that's born he's got like electricity in his body yes yes um all right hank uh your hot seat my hot seat is billy's boy jose canseco so caleb caleb presley our co-worker went out there to do like a sunday conversation and they sent a camera guy to film because we're trying to get footage for a video.
And he tweeted yesterday, we've had a camera guy in Vegas for five straight days now waiting for Jose Canseco to train because Jose Canseco just isn't training. So I think he's on the hot seat.
Don't listen to that, Billy. That's rat poison, Billy.
He's training. So I talked to Caleb yesterday, Billy.
He's training's training he's just ducking he doesn't want to be film training oh I think he's just so that is a lot different no I think he's I think he's just so slow Billy that like you're gonna have to beat him with speed because the scouting report that Caleb gave me was he is very very big and he was scared about his size, but there's no chance that he has the speed to take you down.

Yeah, so I... gave me was he is very very big and he was scared about his size but there's no chance that he has the speed to take you down yeah so i knew i was gonna out muslim if you know if anything so i've just been training speed punch output that sort of stuff you know footwork yeah yeah like movement so i'm right going into the fight i don't want to reveal too much, but I got a plan going into the fight.
I got some serious stuff. That first video that I released of me fighting was legitimately for my first week of sparring.
Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face. I've been punched in the face several times.
You need to let one of us punch you in the face just to get you ready. Actually, Billy, let me ask you this, Billy.
So Rough and Rowdy, Billy versus Jose Canseco is coming up next Friday. It's right before the Super Bowl.
We're going to be in West Virginia. I've been thinking about this.
You are my champion, so I'm obviously rooting for you with all my heart. If you were to lose, because we have to just throw these things out there.
If you were to, like, get knocked out, would you be upset if I laughed? Because I think my reaction will be to laugh. The thing is, I've been punched in the face by a lot more athletic, stronger guys than Jose Canseco at this point of his life, and I didn't get knocked out.
I got knocked down. I didn't get knocked out.
But if I lose, it's going to be by – I'm not going to get knocked out in the first 30 seconds. No, no, I think that's either i don't i don't think that that either i was just trying to play it out in my head because like i'm gonna be announcing the fight so my reaction is gonna be very natural whatever i was thinking about it i was thinking about it and i think if you got knocked out i would be very i would be worried for you and feel bad after the fact but in the moment i'd laugh and be like be like, whoops, that was a bad idea.
You're still going to call that fight? Yeah, of course. You're not going to recuse yourself? No, I have to.
Fuck it. I'm going to call it and just call Jose a scumbag.
Look, right now, I've been no funny business, totally hyper-focused on this fight, and it's sort of clouded me. I had no idea what was going on in the rest because I was also in quarantine.
so I was just super hyper focused on this fight and it's sort of clouded me like i had no idea what was going on in the rest because i was also in quarantine so i was just super hyper focused on this and i am gonna kill this guy like legitimately i've like been in isolation punching stuff and working out and just like have you come i am 210 and have you come i'm 210 pounds and five pounds of it is seeming are you coming are you come oh you are you're not coming i'm not coming you're gonna back yourself up i'm i'm real backed up we're what if what if you get like the vast difference i think it's actually an urban myth billy i looked some of this up before my fight no it's actually not. No, it's actually not.
No, Billy, we talked to Teddy Atlas.

He said that the best prized fighters he's ever been around, they save it up and then they drink it right before they go. Yeah, so what we got to do, I've actually been studying it.
Tyson Fury, he was going seven times a day, but you go seven times a day until the last week. Then you stop because you activate your body.
You activate your body. No, I'm not saying, but this is what the science says.
You activate your body to high emissions and then you have zero emissions and it builds up all inside of you. And then you like get angry at everybody around you and try to punch things.
Yeah, because your dick's wrong. That's why you're pissed off.
I mean, look what happened to Mufasa. He came and he instantly died.
I can't have that happen to you. I cannot have, nothing is going near my prostate at all, ever.
So that's out of the question. Good, good.
Especially electrical equipment. I think what we should do is we should make a title belt for this.
It should be called, like, Jose Canseco is a Swollen Rat. And then even if he wins, he has to hold up the Jose Canseco is a Swollen Rat belt.
Yes, I like that. I like that.
Wait, where are we? Oh, Hank, you do your cool throne. My cool throne is Florida.
Why? No, you know what? That's good enough. All right, my hot seat is...
They want to host the 2021 Olympics this summer if Tokyo bows out. Sure, fuck it.
I saw that. Just tell Florida they're getting everything.
My hot seat is the NBA security. Did you guys see the BAM Kyrie jersey swap that went down, which is highly illegal in today's NBA? It was very funny.
They essentially had to do it like it was a drug deal. And the NBA security is now on the hot seat because jersey swaps are not allowed, but guys are finding a way to jersey swap.

So we need to figure out how we can stop these players

from playing 48 minutes against each other, sweating all over each other,

breathing all over each other,

and then doing the absolutely ridiculous thing of swapping jerseys,

which is that's how you spread coronavirus.

Oh, wow.

Clearly.

Yeah.

He put it under his shirt, and he's walking off the court.

He's like, I don't have anything. That's a tough look for the NBA and their protocol.
Yeah. Yes.
Very tough. And then my cool throne is hard body 2021 because we've delayed it.
I just want to let everyone know people who are trying to get in shape this year, hard body. It's going after the Super Bowl.
I've been stuck in a casino for six days. I've been eating candy.
I've been living inside of a casino. It's not conducive to hard bodies, so I'm delaying it.
So if you haven't started, don't worry. You haven't missed anything.
February, what's the Super Bowl? February 7th? February 7th is the Super Bowl, yeah. I'm going to be in the gym February 8th, and you won't see me out of the gym until my body is hard there's there's a gym in the old hq

that is going to get extensive use okay not not by me i will not be going to that gym but um how come because i'd have to walk there yeah i i feel like hard body is there a shower i'm not about the hard body lifestyle no but we should just stack up a shitload of dude wipes just manually

having a hard body

I don't think, goes with the rest of this. Well, it's more.
I mean, let's be honest. It's not going to be hard.
It's going to be just less soft. So less soft body 2021.
I want to maintain my huggability, though. In order to be huggable, you've got to be a little bit soft yeah uh my hot seat is ben askrin he's officially fighting jake paul uh in a boxing match um ben askrin's not a striker he's a ncaa wrestling champion um so if he gets knocked out by jake paul it's going to be really disappointing disappointing, and Jake Paul is going to continue to have a fraud boxing career.

Yeah, but Billy, if Jake Paul loses and you win, it's there.

Exactly.

It's an eclipse.

But Jake Paul picks guys who have zero reach.

By the way, I'd 100% beat the shit out of Jake Paul.

He wouldn't touch me.

But Jake Paul is going to save that for after. Yeah..
You just gotta cut your promo after. Cut the promo after.
The only way I lose to Canseco is in some fucked up split decision. Billy, Billy, Billy.
What Hank is saying is, when you beat Jose Canseco, if you lose, I will laugh. Whatever.
But when you beat him, when you beat him, that's when you say, I'm calling out the Paul brothers. That's when you do it.
They'll never fight me because I actually would beat them. They only choose guys they know they can strategically win with Floyd Mayweather.
Absolutely. That's the only reason they wouldn't fight you.
Floyd Mayweather is fighting Logan Paul. Yeah, I know.
I know. I know.
The only reason they're not fighting Billy is because Billy's too hard of a matchup. No, seriously, if I was 5'2", zero reach, but jacked and looked athletic, I'd probably have more of a chance to find them.
They still wouldn't fight you. They still would be like, we could totally beat this kid.
They still wouldn't fight you. They still would be like, you're the part of my take intern? We're not going to fight you.
Right, right. i'm not getting too big for my britches but i totally fuck him i do love never i do love how it looks online and bill you even have to admit this that when you see a headline on like tmz being like jose canseco to fight barstool sports intern you're like yikes that's a tough look for jose canseco yeah you just oh dude you should never be you should always like well you know eventually when you graduate college you have a full-time job whenever you want it.
But I think part of your contract should be that you have to be referred to as an intern forever just so we can keep, like, sunning people with this shit. Where they're like, they're fighting a bar school intern? It's like an eighth graders would have held back five times.
It's like, this is eighth graders. You red-shirted and gray-shirted.
Yeah. Okay.
Is that it? Cool throne. That's it.
Celibacy. No, I had another one.
It doesn't sound like you have one. All right.
Let's get to my car. Have you caught one of your chickens yet? Yes, I've caught all of them several times.
It's actually quite easy when you like corner them. Okay, psycho.
That sounds so bad. All right.
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Okay, here he is, Mike Rowe. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.
You know him from Dirty Jobs. You know him from being the voice of Discovery many, many years.
You know him from Shark Week about 15 years ago. You know him from QVC.
You also should be watching his new show. It is Mike Rowe.
He has a new show out. It's called Six Degrees with Mike Rowe, now streaming on Discovery+.
So I was watching some of the previews, and the show, as far as I understand, is very daunting. You basically were like, everything is connected in the world.
I'm going to go back in history and figure out that connection. Do you think that's kind of an overachiever move? Like what made you do this? Because that seems daunting.
Yeah, we were swinging through the fences, you know, from the promotional side of things. But in reality, I needed something to do during the lockdown.
And I thought, you know, Dirty Jobs was a rumination on work. Somebody's got to do it on hobbies, returning the favor on decency.
I wanted to do something around history, really for people who would never watch a history show. So I thought, well, what if we just identify two seemingly disparate points in the context of a really ridiculous question? Like, can a horseshoe find your soulmate? Or can a mousetrap cure your hangover? Or how did a volcano redeem Eminem's career? Right? The more preposterous, the better.
and then take an hour to take a deep dive down the youtube rabbit holes and find at least six links that can actually get us from point a to point b the thing about the show that made it fun for me anyway was we throw everything at the screen right it's animation, archival footage, puppets. We recreate the launch of the Hubble as well as the San Francisco earthquake with puppets just because we can.
Actors and reenactors, some of whom aren't all that talented, wearing costumes that aren't very convincing, sometimes in wigs that don't really fit. Doesn't matter.
Hired my old buddy Chuck, who I went to high school with,

great actor who portrays 35 or 40 historical figures.

I love it.

Orly.

So we just, it's a hot mess of stuff

designed to illustrate the incontrovertible fact

that all the information in the world

is now available to everybody online,

but never before has it been grouped up in a chronology that is so seemingly insane that's really interesting yeah it's strange because until you just kind of pitched that that show i hadn't really thought of it but a few years ago i think we were speaking with somebody um maybe at the history channel about doing like a wikipedia wormhole thing for a wikipedia club that was like along the same lines where you just follow the links around the internet. And it is fascinating how everything's kind of tied together.
Can you go back real quick? Can a mousetrap cure a hangover? That's the one I'm interested in. Sure.
I mean, spoiler alert, the only way to really explain how this thing spools out is to sort of just tell it to you. But, you know, Hiram Maxim created the first repeating mousetrap about 250 years ago.
He also created the light bulb and a thousand other things, including the Maxim machine gun. And the Maxim machine gun changed the course of the First World War.
It killed so many people so quickly and made so much noise and was so easy to conceal, the Allies didn't know how to deal with it. So they took a tuba, a giant war tuba, about 20 feet long, and they pointed it at the ground.
And it identified the sound waves of this gun, as well as from artillery. And by using sound ranging, they were able to identify where these guns were.
Well, they also learned that with sound ranging, you could identify where oil deposits were. And now suddenly, a guy named Karcher comes along and winds up using this technology to create Texas instruments.
And the next thing you know, we're creating the germanium chip and Silicon Valley comes along and the whole race for making things small gets big. And at the same time, that's happening over at Stanford.
The guys who are working on it are experimenting with lysergic acid, which of course is LSD. And we take a whole side trip on what happened to LSD and how that fueled the counterculture, which ultimately impacted our decision to leave Vietnam.
When we left Vietnam, a guy named David Tran happened to be on one of the boats. And David Tran went on to create Sriracha, the hot sauce that makes any Bloody Mary taste a whole lot better than it otherwise would.
And so when you have a Bloody Mary with Sriracha sauce in it, the odds of you rid of your hangover exponentially better, but of course it wouldn't have happened if Hiram Maxim hadn't created the first repeating mousetrap. Wow.
So you did it. Is there a part of you when you pitch this show, you're like, it almost is calling your shot.
Like I'm Mike Rowe, I'm so successful. People like me so much.
I can can pitch this that like i'm just thinking if anyone else pitched this they'd be like all right dude get the hell out of here maybe get a little bit of focus before you come back with your pitch but you're like i'm mike roe i'm gonna pitch this and they're gonna love it and it's gonna be a great show and you don't even have to make the show you're just like yeah they accepted this isn that crazy? You know, I'd love to say, yeah, based on my incredible wit, charm, and persuasive ability, I sold it in the room, but I didn't. I mean, all that happened, but the pandemic also happened, and suddenly networks were like, we don't even know how to make a TV show anymore, and I had a sponsor who was willing to help absorb some of the risk.
So I put in some money, the sponsor picked up the slack, and I was able to make the show before it found a home. And that changed everything.
And so then, you know, I went back into the room and showed it around. And rather than having to pitch it the way I just did to you, I just said, just watch it.
It's done. Right.
And if you dig it, you know, I got five more. If you don't, I'll find somebody else.
So yeah, I wasn't really calling my shot, although I liked the way I felt when you said that. It's more about, I mean, and this was part of the pitch too, not to be earnest about it, but Dirty Jobs was a tribute to my grandfather, a guy who could build a house without a blueprint, right? And it became a rumination on work.
This is a tribute to my dad, a guy who taught American history to high school and junior high school kids for 30 years. And he said that to me

years ago, he's like, look, my job is not to present the facts. My job is not to inform my students.
My job is to make them give a damn about topics they otherwise wouldn't. And ultimately, that never changes.
You know, when it comes to history today, everybody's got a different version of how they like to believe it.

And so I do too, but I don't make any pretense about it. I just say these things happen.
Charles Newbold invented the iron plow that led to the agricultural revolution that impacted blah, blah, blah, and all we go. So all I'm doing is taking facts that aren't in dispute and putting them in a chronology that nobody's done before.
And then saying, well, there you go. Six degrees.
It's a TV show. I mean, it's also genius because it's, it's a comment on where we are as like a country where you're like, you know what? People probably aren't going to be reading history books.
Let's make a TV show out of it. You're smart.
You're ahead of the curve. Well, I'm also looking around and seeing people today convinced they can change our present by altering the past.
You know, you can pull down all the statues you want. It's not going to change the facts of what happened.
We can't improve the future by, you know, shining up the past.

It is what it is. And how we let it impact us today, that matters.
Like if you look at history the wrong way, or if you look at it through an angry lens, well, you're going to have people knocking Lincoln off Mount Rushmore. But if you provide some sort of context and force people to see what happened, not in the context of some historical timeline, but rather in a way that impacts your neighbor and everybody else, then it becomes relevant.
And then maybe as a fake host, I get a little bit more permission to go a little bit further than I otherwise would. To me, it sounds like you sat down and you were like, I'm Mike Rowe.
I have the best voice in America. I can literally read the encyclopedia and people will tune in and listen to me read the encyclopedia.
And it worked. That's the great part about it.
And honestly, I think I would probably listen to you read, yeah, probably the dictionary. You've got a very soothing voice.
And I read that you were an opera singer. I don't know if you still, if you credit that for your narration voice or if the narration voice came first and then you worked on your singing voice afterwards, but it seems to work.
It was a very crooked road. I had a stutter when I was a kid, but my voice also changed early when I was young.
I sound pretty much at 11 years old like I do now. That's hilarious in its own right, like an 11-year-old micro with a deep voice.
It was weird, man. I literally went from a guy who talked like this to a guy who's like hey how are you you know and it just it was very strange um but yeah you know the opera was the thing if you want to see something really weird i'm sure you have access to the internet right now google mike row reads phone book okay and um this is like i don't know, 10 years ago, somebody said, I'll give your foundation a check right now for $20,000.
If you read me the phone book, because I think it'll help me go to sleep. So I recorded a phone book.
And I put a chunk of it on YouTube and it gets, it still gets passed around once in a while. And yeah, I mean,

I've done a lot of weird things, but sitting there for a few hours, recording a phone book, you know, you, at some point you got to look at yourself in the mirror and say, dude, what, what happened to you? Yeah. You're, you're basically like, uh, the only fans accounts with feet pictures, but it's your voice.
Everyone's, you voice. Everyone's getting turned on by your voice.
You should start an OnlyFans where you just record things behind a paywall. You could retire everything.
So you mentioned your foundation, your foundation, MicroWorks Foundation. I love the idea of this.
So for people who don't know, I think most people have seen Dirty Jobs, but Dirty Jobs wasn't just a TV show. It was something you kind of enacted in real life.
The idea that blue collar work, trade school, these things are important. Not everyone is built or wants to go to college.
These are important jobs that need to be done. My question for you, of all the jobs, so you've done 300 plus plus dirty jobs uh have you ever thought about podcasting have you ever thought about the trade of pie are we a dirty job because let me just throw this out there right we come in here on a sunday we watch 12 hours of football straight we gamble on every game we eat disgusting you know uh food that probably isn't great for you.

And then we record a podcast at midnight.

I would contend that's not much different than being like, I think one time you were

like a reindeer dentist.

Like, what's the difference?

This is a dirty job.

This is a hard job, wouldn't you say?

Look, you'll get no argument from me.

I think all jobs have the potential to become dirty, you know, depending on how broadly you define the term. But it's the sameness of a job that in many ways can ultimately make it dirty.
If you, that thing you just described, that 12-hour day, you sit there, you watch football, you eat cold pizza, you forget to take a shower. Do that three, four, five, 10 days in a row, 20 days, 100 days.
That's when, you know, that's when your brain starts to change. And that's when, I don't care how glamorous it is.
In fact, I know glamorous, I know fashion models. It's disgusting.
Their job is disgusting. The things they wind up having to do over time that you would never think about are opera singing is disgusting.
The costumes you have to wear, they smell like a hockey outfit. You never know it.
You're sitting there watching the opera and some guy's up there wailing away. He smells like ass, man.
I'm telling you, I've never encountered a professional opera singer in the midst of a performance who smelled any better than an athlete at the end of the fourth quarter. Yeah, I mean, we had to watch 16 Jets games this year.
I challenge you to find a more difficult job in America than that. Hey, man, I still remember the day, mid-March 1984, I guess it was.
It was in 86 when the Colts left Baltimore. Mm-hmm.
That, for me, I mean, since this is still, you know, you guys are basically a sports thing, I'll tell you, that changed my relationship with organized sports forever. You know, watching those Mayflower vans leave Baltimore

in the middle of the night headed for Indianapolis,

I've never been able to watch a football game

or any organized sport the same way since.

So sounds like this is the dirtiest job.

You need to come and shadow us for a Sunday

and see how it ranks against all these other dirty jobs you've done.

Let's go. so sounds like this is the dirtiest job you need to come in and shadow us for a sunday and see how it ranks against all these other dirty jobs you've done look i'm i'm i'm actually fascinated by your your podcast and your job i i do a podcast it's very different from yours um but uh you can say smart you can say smart yours is smart ours i.
I was going to go with prescient. Important.
Enlightening. Well, obviously important.
But also game-changing and apocryphal. Let's go with apocryphal.
But also short. You do like a short-form podcast, which I think, you know, like we essentially do like 20 of your podcasts every single week.

So we work harder, you work smarter,

which goes against your whole thing,

which is work smart and hard. Yeah, you're a white-collar podcaster.

Yeah, exactly.

So we're really down here in the shit.

Yeah, but that's it.

This is the only thing you guys do.

No, I read a lot of mock drafts as well.

Yeah, yeah.

I also watch college basketball. Come on.
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All right, back to part of my take. What's the dirtiest job you've ever seen? I remember the one where you sexed chickens.
I know Billy wants to hear more about that. But to me, that was one of the dirtiest ones I saw you do.
But in your mind, what's the dirtiest job? Yeah, well, there were 300, you know. And honestly, I mean, I get that question a fair amount.
And I normally just spin, like there are 30 of those 300 or 10% that are on a wheel of filth in my mind.

And when I spin it, it doesn't matter which one it lands on.

They're all honest answers to that question, because you can't compare chick sexing to

castrating baby lambs with your teeth.

And you can't compare that to hanging upside down on the Mackinac Bridge, 600 feet in the air, welding. And you can't compare that really to opal mining in Coober Pedy, Australia, where you're lowered on a bosun's chair into a 60-foot shaft that's about the width of a manhole cover.
And you can't really describe the claustrophobia that washes over you as you look up and see that little tiny dot of blue get smaller and smaller and smaller you can't compare collecting semen from a turkey really to anything in fact that's it right there you have a picture of turkey cum i have a poster do you want to hear honestly what that job entails yeah i'll tell you jacking off a turkey yeah that's it but jacking off a turkey that's that's child's play i mean i i don't know what's in your mind's eye but the first thing you have to remember is that the turkey's penis is inside its asshole.

It's called

a... have to remember is that the turkey's penis is uh inside its asshole oh right it it's called a cloaca yeah and uh typical of most avians and by the way the process i'm about to describe is the reason everybody gets a turkey on thanksgiving there would never be enough turkeys in the country right their breasts are too big right that right.
They can't get together to actually do it the old-fashioned way because they're full of steroids. So their chests are big, so they can't mate.
So what you do is you take one like that, and you put it upside down between your thighs, and you squeeze it a little bit. And then somebody hands you a jar, like just a little jar.
It looks like a baby food jar. And the lid on the jar has two holes in it.
And inside of each hole is a straw. So you hold the straw in your free hand, and then you direct your attention to the cloaca on the upside down turkey between your thighs.
And then with your thumb, you start to stimulate the cloaca in the time-honored tradition that all males are no doubt familiar with. This is hot.
And if you do it right, the orgasm that runs through the turkey will allow the semen to collect in its rectum. And then what you do is...
He comes into his own ass? He takes a jar. What? A mask? No, he comes into his own ass.
Oh, I thought you said you'll wear a mask. No.
Yes, he ejaculates. Remember, he's upside down.
He ejaculates, and the semen then puddles like a disappointing spill of milk in its asshole. So what you do now...
So wait, but in nature, does he then have to open his asshole up and then go ass to ass with the female, with the hen? Well, they actually face each other in nature and then they roll back. And the lady parts smash into the asshole of the male bird and all of the spooge a loadie gets transferred through some miraculous way it's very difficult i mean it's yeah it's kind of a miracle that there's ever been a baby turkey born when you consider the fact that they can't actually you know it's it's not the typical in and out thing right it's a very imperfect German pornography thing we're talking about here.

Yeah, this hits a little too close to home when you're like, yeah, their breasts are too big and their dick is in their asshole. You looked directly at me when you said that.
So I was like, shit, okay. I'll have to sit on your lap with a little baby food.
That's basically what it is. You play the cards you get.
So the,

you know, the odds are against it in the first place. But anyway, you got a turkey upside down between your thighs.
His rectum is full of spunk. You take the jar with the two straws.
And what you do is you put one straw into the rectum, right into the sperm. And then you put the other straw in your mouth

and then you start sucking.

Did you ever think think, real quick, did you think while you're doing this, like there's got to be a better way? Do I have to use my mouth? Yeah. The thought went through my mind.
You know, it's the 21st century, guys. Maybe there's a tool that is a bit more sophisticated than a jar with two straws in it.
But what you do is you create a vacuum in the jar by sucking on one straw. And then you manipulate the other straw into the turkey's rectum.
And as that vacuum intensifies, the sperm will come through the first straw and collect in your jar. And when you get all the sperm out of the rectum, you spread your thighs and the bird falls to the ground and flies off to boast and brag with the boys.
And then they bring you another one. And then you do the same thing again, the thumb, the straw, right? And this goes on for a while, you know, until your jar is full of sperm.
And then you take the sperm from the straw right and this goes on for a while you know until your jar is full of sperm and then you take the sperm from the jar and put it in these little pipettes and then you put that into a an injector gun and then they bring you the hens and you go ahead and put that through their uh what you call the vulva and you pull the trigger and boom you got a pregnant turkey so So, all right, so I would imagine that one was one where you're like, I couldn't imagine myself doing this every day. Has there been a dirty job where you think back and you're like, you know what, I actually really enjoyed that, and I could do that for a living? Sure.
I remember you've been in New York, surely. We're sitting in New York right now.
You're in New York right now? Correct. Didn't know.
Have you noticed the wooden water towers on top of virtually every building over five stories? If you haven't, once you look for them, that's all you see. They're everywhere.
And those wooden water tanks hold all the water for the building. They're on the roof, right? Because gravity gets it to you a whole lot faster than if you had to pump it up.
But the tanks have basically been built by the same company for the last 120 years called Rosenwick. And they need to be replaced, you know, every 20, 30 years or so.
And these guys have the contracts on all of these tanks. So what'll happen is at nine o'clock, you know, the apartment empties, people go to work, these guys climb to the roof, and they one piece at a time, disassemble these tanks.
Now, some of these are up

30, 40 stories, right? And you're at the very, very top, standing on a wooden platform that you're ultimately dissembling. And then they build a new one in the same day.
And the teamwork and the speed with which these tanks are replaced day in and day out is a mix of like construction 101 and Cirque du Soleil. These guys are just death-defying heights doing man's work in a real team-oriented fashion.
It's a marvel to watch and i had a ball doing it um and was glad to go home with all my fingers attached because they're swinging axes and malls you know 150 feet in the air balancing on one foot i mean it's it's incredible to see and i i really had a good time doing that one those are the the coolest because you think of where we're at as a civilization, and you just take all these things for granted, and you don't realize someone's fucking a turkey, someone's building an entire water holder on top of my building while I'm at work, and that's where the Emmy comes in. Whoa, look at that that turkey changed my career oh i that turkey still calls yeah okay man what do you when you're coming back to minnesota i i miss your fancy opposable thumb the best lay i ever had did you did you request a picture of that turkey just so you could always like you know remember your day with it um that turkey is seared into my retina so i really don't need its picture but a friend of mine did blow that one up and so yeah i keep it on the wall to remind me that no matter how weird my day gets you know i could be jerking off at there it could be stranger do you find yourself getting an itch for that stuff when you're not uh working on a new project when you're not out there doing something like your new show? Are you like, man, I really want to get out there and get my hands dirty? You know, it's funny.
I just got off the phone with the network, actually, and they're open to rebooting the whole thing. And I'm really of two minds.
I don't think I can do the same show the same way, nor would I want to,

but I do feel like it's a good time right now to get out there and do another show about

essential work, whatever that means, because I don't think it means what we think it means.

And I think people would welcome a new look at what people do in the course of

making a living.

But the thing that I miss most and the thing I've been able to do in this new

show. So I guess really I don't miss it,

but the important thing wasn't the specifics of the job.

It was the way we shot it.

And it was having a behind the scenes camera that never stopped rolling. We never did a second take on Dirty Jobs.
What you saw, for better or worse, was what I saw as it happened. And that's the trick in my world.
In nonfiction, if I can shoot a show in a way that makes the viewer feel like they were there with me, rubbing that little turkey hiney right there with me, then that's what matters, right? It doesn't matter if it's a history show. It doesn't matter if it's a squishy Facebook show like the one I'm doing now called Returning the Favor.
It doesn't matter. If the viewer feels like they're there with you, then you get permission to do damn near anything you want.

Yeah, there was always something that I really enjoyed about Dirty Jobs, which was you're taking sometimes outrageous subject matter, like jacking off a turkey, but you're treating the work that's being done with a lot of dignity, ultimately. and shining a light on people that sometimes might be looked down upon

because maybe they didn't go to the same school as somebody. with a lot of dignity ultimately and shining a light on people that sometimes might be looked down upon

because maybe they didn't go to the same school as somebody else

or maybe it's not the job that everybody dreams of growing up.

What was the – I guess what I'm asking is like when you were getting ready to do the show,

how were you making sure that the spotlight was on the right places

and it wasn't turning it into like a cartoonish sideshow at some times? Yeah, that's a great question, honestly. And I mean, I don't mean to suggest that like all your questions aren't great.
It's just that of all the questions you've asked so far, that is top 20. Thank you.
The lesson isn't where to shine the light. The lesson is where not to shine it.
And in my world, I had been impersonating a show host for 20 years. I'd had a hundred different jobs.
I'd worked for every network doing every kind of show.

And all of it was bullshit. All of it was me hitting a mark and saying a line and trying to convince people I know more than I do by talking like this, right? I mean, that's what a host does.
And I was happy doing it. And I'd probably still be doing it because I did okay.
But in a sewer in San Francisco in 2002, I had an encounter. I had been hosting a show called Evening Magazine.
And my mother called me that morning and said, Michael, your grandfather, who was my idol, by the way, a guy who built a house without a blueprint, like the one I was born in. She said, your grandfather is 91.
He's not going to be around forever. Wouldn't it be great if when he turned on the TV before he died, he saw you doing something that looked like work? That's a great line.
So it's my mother, right? So I said, well, it's a good point. So that night on Evening Magazine, I went into the sewers of San Francisco to host the show just to get my mother off my back.
And when I was down there, I ran into a sewer inspector, a guy named Gene Cruz,

whose job was really just to kind of keep an eye on me and show me around, but while I was down there, we were attacked by thousands of thumb-sized roaches, more rats than I've ever seen in my life, and I fell face first in a river of shit, and long story short, I couldn't do my job, but I could help him. And my cameraman wound up filming me working as an apprentice with a sewer inspector who was replacing the rotten old bricks in the sewers of San Francisco with new bricks.
Backbreaking, difficult, unspeakably disgusting work, but really, really, really important. Because if that guy calls in sick for a few weeks and everybody else who does what he does, those sewers collapse and all of San Francisco is covered in shit, which is funny because it kind of is now today anyway, but that's another story.
The point is, when I looked at the footage that my cameraman got that day of me working, not hosting, but working with an actual expert, it became obvious to me that that's something I would want to watch as a viewer because I had been humbled. I mean, the sewer didn't let me do my job the way I wanted to.
The only thing I could do down there was help this guy. And so when the spotlight shifted from me as a host pretending to know more than he did to the actual dude who was doing the actual work, then all kinds of great information came out vis-a-vis our conversation.
And along the way, the viewer got to see some giant condoms floating by on a river of crap and, you know, all sorts of other weird things you would never expect to see on a TV show. And so that was the footage that sold dirty jobs, ultimately.
And that was the phone call from my mom that sent me into the sewer. And that's the reason the show is dedicated to my grandfather, who just wanted to see me doing something on TV that looked like work before he died.
And so, you know, none of that was on my mind when it was happening. But looking back, yeah, I wouldn't be talking to you right now, if it weren't for a rat the size of a loaf of bread that jumped on my shoulder, drove me into the sludge, and ultimately convinced me to work with a sewer inspector instead of host a show.
Wow. It also sounds like your mom was trying to convince her dad that she did a good job as a mom by raising a son who wasn't totally worthless.
Well, look, it's kind of the son of uh of a great athlete or the daughter of a great athlete like the pressure the pressure on that kid you know cal ripkin junior junior or whatever like how in the world right my grandfather really could build a house without a blueprint he could he could take this watch apart and put it back together blindfolded. Never read the instructions to anything in his life, right? I was sure I was going to follow in his footsteps up until I was 17.
And the truth is, just because you're passionate about something doesn't mean you can't suck at it. And the handy gene, like the athletic gene in many cases, is recessive.
And I didn't get it. The things my grandfather could do with a construction mindset, I just didn't get it.
And so he told me when I was 17, yeah, get a, you can be a tradesman. He said, just get a different toolbox because you're never going to be able to do what I'm able to do.
And that was a big lesson and a hard lesson, but that's why I got in the opera. That's why I got in show business.
And that's why 20 years later, 25 years later, when my mother called me, it was like, yeah, for my grandfather, I'd do whatever I could. So he saw me before he died in the sewers.
He saw me on the Golden Gate Bridge. He saw me do all sorts of things.
And that's all it was supposed to be, three one-hour specials to get my mother off my back but and people watched and they wrote billy man they wrote it it was like it wasn't just we like the show it it wasn't like we like you it wasn't about that it was you've got to see what my uncle does for money wait till you you see what my sister, brother, uncle, right? All these letters from people who wanted to share what they do for a living. And that ultimately is what made me think, oh, okay, this is something more than a smart aleck crawling through a river of crap, making the occasional dick joke.
So you're smarter than than us i think it's safe to say but you realize you did just write you another episode for six degrees like you need to do a six degrees of your own life with how your your grandfather became handy and how your mom was uh ashamed of of the beta son that she raised and how it ended up with you doing dirty jobs. Everybody has a story, man.
And, you know, five, six, ten degrees. I'll show you.
This will freak you out. More than turkey jacking off stories? That was pretty wild.
What is this? The genealogy of Michael Gregory. Okay.
And? So look at this thing. Damn.
This was put together by a fan of Dirty Jobs. A couple years ago, I was on a small private plane, and we landed in Maine.
And when I landed, I took a selfie of me in front of the plane, and the tail number was on it. And on the tail number, some guy tracked me down to where I was.
And this guy's name was Jesse Hagen. And he put together, it had taken a year, he's a genealogist.
And he put together the entire story of my whole life going back 10, 12, 14 generations. Turns out I'm related to Lord Baltimore, right? Guy shows up at a private airport and gives this to me.
It's a little creepy. Did he say, was he like, hey, not to be a creepier, but I've been studying you? I was completely freaked out because I've had like stalking issues and stuff like that over the years.
Oh, you had the drone issue. So yeah, it's pretty, oh yeah, the pretty oh yeah the drive is there are many many many many weird and strange stories but having a guy waiting for you at dark next to your little tiny plane with a giant book saying mike roe i have something for you it's the story of your entire life and your family's life yes yeah but that yeah i mean it's crazy that is crazy my last question was um american chopper you did the voice for that now was that your easiest job because basically every week you could be like big paul's mad at little paul little paul's mad at big paul bike gets made how did that like did you just submit it one for every season? Narration is my favorite thing to do.
Well, that's not true. My favorite thing to do is everything, right? It's got to be a mix of everything.
But narration is awesome. And that story actually is funny because I went in to read the copy.
Like you always would. I had no idea what the show was, didn't know anything about it.
And I, I got in the booth and I sat down and the engineer said, give me a quick mic test. So I, I read it poorly on purpose.
Like I was just imitating a bad FM DJ meets a car salesman. So it was like a father, a son, the drama, the deadline, American chopper, right? Just that.
Well, in my headphones, I hear the producer, a guy named Hank Capshaw. And he's like, hey, Mike, I'm Hank.
I'm like, oh, hey, Hank, how are you? Just doing a mic test. He goes, oh, no, that was great.
I love that. I thought he was kidding.
So I said, no, let me do it once more the way I want to do it. And so I did it the way I want to do it.
He said, oh, yeah, that's terrific. Great.
Well, he uses the mic test, the joke, and he puts it into American Chopper. Not only do I wind up doing 150 episodes of that with that same ridiculous voice, they go on to produce American Hot Rod, American Casino, UFC, Ultimate Fighter,

20 other shows out of the same shop.

And I did the VO for all of them.

And every show that Hank was on, he's like, you know what I want?

The drama.

Give me that Mike voice.

Oh, that's perfect.

That makes me so happy because I love that show. And I love that that's the story behind it.
God. And now on Deadliest Catch, it's the same thing.
We're in season 17, you know, the vast, baring sea. I never meant to do that.
All right. Well, let's let you go.
Everyone go check out Six Degrees with Mike Rowe on streaming now on Discovery+.

You're now a recurring guest, so you have to come on next time we ask.

Yeah, or for voiceover work, too.

Actually, can you just say, I'm Mike Rowe.

Hand over your man card.

I'm Mike Rowe.

Hand over your man card.

Oh, that's perfect.

How about this?

You're watching Pardon My Take take with those two guys wait do that again I'm sorry I interrupted shit do it again you're watching pardon my take with those two guys I love it perfect Mike thank you so much and we do expect you to shadow us for an NFL Sunday for whenever Dirty Jobs dirty jobs comes back i don't think you can handle it no you really don't you're not man you're gonna be begging to master you you can't you won't be able to do it not in our shoes challenge issued challenge accepted okay it it shall be done all right thanks so much mike appreciate it to meet you we're gonna get right back to the show hey buddy want to go to the dog park go with simperica trio it's triple protection made simple simperica trio is the first monthly chewable that covers heartworm disease ticks and fleas round and hookworms this drug class has been associated with neurologic adverse reactions including seizures use with caution in dogs with a history of these disorders be sure to to tap to read the full prescribing information. Protect him with all your heart.
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All right, back to part of my take. Okay, let's do guys on chicks.
But before we do that, darling jake has been put in a charity corner so we said on sunday's show i wasn't put in the corner i volunteered no jake did you because i don't think that you volunteered to do this until we brought it up on sunday's no brainer so back in the corner it would be a tough decision this is not a corner it's an's an easy decision. Jake, someone donated $1,000 to the Barstool Fund, and you're going to swear, correct? Yes.
Shout out to AWL Jack. AWL Jack.
Did he stipulate which cuss word? No. Okay.
So what I was going to say is I think we should keep this going. If you donate $1,000 and you show it proof,

it has to be from this point forward,

so you can't have already donated it,

you get to decide what swear or racial slur that Jake will say on our podcast.

No, we can make a list.

Oh, I want to hear him say the C word.

Yeah, C word.

If I win the fight, I'm going to make him say the C word.

I think we got to start it out properly and just have Jake drop a hard F-bomb. I think that's a good way to play your flag and be like, yes, we're really going to do this, Jake.
Yeah, what I was going to say is I fucking love helping small businesses. Oh, okay.
All right. Good job, Jake.
Good job, Jake. Sorry.
Sorry to the young listeners, by the way. Yeah, Jake, you're fired.
No, if this blocks me from calling a game one day because I'm helping a good cause, I'm not going to lose sleep over that. Oh.
There we go. There we go.
So deep drive to left field, and that'll make it a 2-0 ball game. I'm helping what – I'm definitely going to donate, by the way.
I'm going to get you to say something really bad. But okay, so we'll get it going forward.
Anyone who wants to donate $1,000, get to decide what Jake is going to say on the podcast. But we need proof, and some words are off limits.
What words are off limits? Yeah, say them real quick. You got to say them.
Otherwise, I'm going to be like, wow, he'll say anything. I can't even spell.
There's a fine line. Oh, okay.
You can't even spell it? Bubba, can you take Jake saying fucking and just have that like looped over and over again and take on me outro? Thank you. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. And actually, can you make it like we should make I would like to figure out a way for it to be my phone call, my ringtone.
Maybe we should make necklaces in the Barstool Sports store that just play Jake saying fucking over and over. Or instead of the intros where it's like, hey guys, it's Big Cat, it can just be Jake saying fucking.
Fuck. Yeah, fuck, fuck.
And then everyone's going to be like, who is this guy swearing on the beginning of all these podcasts? It would be very funny if that's what eventually got us the explicit tag on iTunes. Yes.
Bad news. Alright, Hank, let's do a couple guys on chicks and send everyone on their way.
FAQs this week, not guys on chicks, but we will continue. Sup guys, this may come off as weird, but how would you describe the smell of the PM the pmt studio uh lavender now it smells like old jeans that's the best way i can describe it i it's not anything this the smell goes back and forth the smell goes back and forth because there was a time when i think someone exploded a pumpkin in there that it smelled god awful there was a was a time when we we had like uh we were trying to do like a knives out mystery situation where there's if you look at the ceiling above me there's all this red juice and for a while we all were accusing each other and then bubba just walked in one day he's like oh yeah that was me my bad yeah so i it smells every like everything it's beer coffee smells like piss for some reason right now i don't know why pft smells a little bit like mountain dew and dip i don't know did you piss did you piss i walked into the studio to pft pissing in the corner i thought it was a joke that's okay into a bottle i don't know i will not like an animal yeah i will not piss shame yeah so that's pretty much what it smells like yeah a little bit like and it's funny And it's funny you bring up the pumpkin because it's almost like the carpet in here is a little time capsule.
So sometimes if we clean the carpet, it brings out the stench of that pumpkin that exploded in here like two years ago. And then the whole studio smells like rotten pumpkin again for a week.
Yeah, it's like the rings of a tree. Yep.
Why didn't Big Cat and PFT have to do Soggy sorrows when their team lost in the playoffs why didn't we because hank never asked us to and also we totally expected our teams to lose so i don't it wasn't really sorrowful yeah we were just like i did it for i did it for cody parkey that was one that i didn't see coming and that i i thought the bears actually had a really good team that year. This year, the Bears got in from a fucking technicality, letting in seven teams.
AWL here. Yeah, I don't disagree.
AWL here. When will you have people back in for in-person interviews? Also, honk, what's the latest you or Bubba have stayed up producing a show? I think once this vaccine gets rolling, I'm ready to do it.
I'm ready to hit the road again. I don't know if it's going to happen again, but I really hope that it does.
Yeah, I mean, currently I'm not because, again, I'm living in a casino, but I am ready for in-person interviews again. Would you guys say over, under, Fourth of July? Over, probably, if I'm being realistic.
Yeah. We got to get more of the special interviews in here.
Remember that lady that cuddled you? Yes. Professional cuddling.
Yeah, that was good. Yes.
By the way, breaking news real quick. Breaking news.
Breaking news? Breaking news. John Heyman just tweeted.
John Heyman just tweeted. Glad to see Tori Hunter, Mark Burley, and Tim Hudson pull above 5% and thus remain on the ballot.
While I didn't vote for them, the 5% rule is dumb and too many great players have been knocked out early by it. I love it.
You fucking prick. As a not Tory Hunter fan, I'm just glad to see him still around.
Essentially, he just walked up to them, pointed right in their face. They're like, yo, just so you know, I didn't invite you to this party, but it's cool that you're here.
I'm going to give this guy a grit coin real quick real quick when are the car sticks coming back in stock i was too naive to see the value earlier and now i'm kicking myself please advise that's a we'll do a special run ran into production issues um they're not making sticks anymore covid you know you just blame everything no you know what we'll do is'll do. We will absolutely, once we get to a few more states for the Barstool Sportsbook,

we will do a car stick bet.

Yes.

And we will have car sticks giving away because that will be a fantastic bet.

Hey, Big Cat and PFT, what are the things you are most proud of in regards to the show?

Michael.

I think just keeping Billy alive for the last three years has got to be way up there well you keeping Billy alive me trying to kill yeah he might die next week but up to this point like they can't take away those years that Billy has somehow not I mean Billy's lifespan after joining the show I think everybody was betting would be basically like Larry threes yes uh uh what am I most proud of? I'm honestly most proud of that

we're like going on year five and it's, it's crazy that we've had this audience for this long and it just every day, it kind of feels like not even real. I remember at the beginning, we're like, wait, this many people are listening.
And then it just keep kept happening. And I guess it's cool that everyone just like you know chilled out and stuck around hell yeah uh like cool guys way to just hang out with us no you guys are you guys are good hang we appreciate yeah right right exactly like we thought we thought the party would have ended by now but everyone's still here so guess what beer's still flowing let's have some fun how do you guys find billy and will you guys be betting against him against jose can take away and where can you bet uh on this fight i will absolutely not be publicly betting against billy wait wait hey pft you you see what he just did it was a classic oh hank where hank where could they bet on it i know i'm just reading the question i might have added something in the end that I was curious of.
Obviously, that was clear. So where, Hank? Play Barcelap, actually.
You can bet on five of the fights, and you can win $25,000. That's incredible.
But there was a question first. How did you guys find Billy? We found Billy.
Yeah, Billy applied as an intern. It was actually so great because Hank wrangled up all the intern video or intern interns like there's 20 people I think we interviewed that day and he said to PFD and I he's like I know who you guys are gonna pick but I'm not gonna tell you who and then Billy showed up out of breath with a five-page resume stapled that had like I don't know 17 lines it was george o'leary's fucking resume and uh we were like hank is this him and he was like yep like all right you're hired yeah the thing that also that that made me say that in the first place was that there was like 20 interns i was like doing interviews and then i had lost my tv remote from my apartment and my roommates like you gotta gotta get a new one and so i interviewed billy i was like this kid's kind of a character and then i was like can you run to best buy for me to get me this remote or whatever and i legitimately walked upstairs came back downstairs like five minutes later and he's like i'm back here it is and it was like so fast i was like how did you even come back this fast and that's and then from there i was like you know this kid's got it also it actually is a good lesson too with our two interns that we've ever hired well three counting chili football but the she never got hired yeah but like not being super super fans actually was big in their favor like jake showed up thinking that he was going to be a columnist for barstool sports billy showed up pretending that he listened when it was very clear he had never listened to the show.
No, I listened to the show. Someone in his high school class was like, bro, Barstool's kind of cool.
And he's like, yeah, you know what? I'm going to try to get a job there. I think there was one line on his resume that was just the typed out URL to his Huddle highlight film.
I'm trying to click on this. Can I give him perspective can i give him my perspective on what happened this is what happened so i listen to the show every day driving to school in high school because we're only on three times a week right well well it takes him a while three times yeah like sometimes the show like was longer than my commute so then one day i followed hank on twitter Twitter and Hank was like looking for New York City based interns.
And I was like, oh shit, this would be awesome. It was late in my senior year of high school.
And they like, you know, my high school had a thing where you had to go get an internship. Like to like, so you didn't have to go to class like after APs were done.
So you could just fuck around for your senior spring. So I applied to the internship at Barstool.
I sent my resume to Hank, and I was like, oh, man, this would be so cool if this happened. It would never happen.
Why would they choose me for no reason? I don't know. So then I went to the interview.
I was sitting in this waiting room with all these dudes. One guy was dressed like the Riddler or something.
If you don't remember that, like there's all these guys, like these, like some dudes were like, had like tons of, uh, no, but like I'm saying that I'm like, I zoned out honestly 30 seconds ago. I have no idea what he's been talking about.
People ask me this a lot and I was like, there's no way I'm going to get this job. Can I tell my side? I'm going to explain to everyone who's sitting in the room with me.
We don't care. Part of me was relieved that I wasn't going to get it.
I was like, oh man, I can just go and tell my buddies about this. It'll be hilarious.
Then I did the interview. Last came back, interviewed with you guys.
This story just keeps getting worse. It's the worst story of all time prepare anything yeah yeah we know never thought i was gonna get a job and then hank emailed me he said you got the job and i was like well i can't not do it we also didn't pay you that made it a lot easier i think we were like we're gonna pay you like under the table yeah billy what what was your first impression of hank me and big cat do you remember the remote yeah i remember the remote you failed to mention that in your like 25 minute story right well it sucked yeah well it did i mean don't give me that tone billy the story sucked i know but i was just like you know like i legitimately had no idea like why you guys would even think like why you're telling it're telling it again.
You're telling the story again. Anyway.
So getting the remote, but my first, so my first one back then you guys were like a lot younger and you had a lot higher. No, but like you guys had higher muscle mass and you can see it in your face.
Like PFTs in your heads were like this big back then. I don't know why I that that's that's your takeaway no legitimately my takeaway was like in your pfts wait so you're saying that their heads have gotten way bigger since then they've actually gotten smaller but like my first match you guys was like you guys have huge heads oh my god all right let's end the show on that you can't end better than that i love you billy wait uh you're gonna kick the shit out of Jose.
All right, what's the number, Big Cat? There's one stuck, Hank. Oh, yeah, wait.
99. We're going to have to redrop.
We're going to have to redrop. That wasn't a real one.
Wood frogs can freeze themselves. Jake, he was about to pick 18.
And defrost themselves. No, it wasn't.
Yeah, it was. I got 10.
18. He has 73.
What do you have you think at? 99. Wood frogs can defrost themselves and freeze themselves.
Two. Derek Jeter.
How do you know that? Speaking of Hall of Fame. How do you know that, Billy? What? How do you know that? I watched a lot of nature documentaries.
Yeah. Derek Jeter in the Hall of Fame? You're very well acquainted with the fact that frogs can warm up from the inside.
Remember one player didn't pick over.

Or one guy didn't vote.

It was two.

Two?

Two.

Two.

All right.

Love you guys.

See you everyone on Friday.

Love you guys. Thank you.
I'll be back. Yeah, Jay, Oh, Oh, Oh,

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