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The last part of my take of 2020. See you later, 2020.
We made it, guys. We're all gravy right now.
All of our problems are done. New us.
Oh, fuck yes. Coronavirus is over.
It's all over. Sports are back.
Hell yeah. We can just flip the page.
I'm going to go to sleep at 1030 on Thursday night. Let's do 2020 again.
Starting January 1st, it's 2020. Last year, it didn't happen.
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All right, so we have a best of. We have great best of.
We just went through the whole thing. We have Tim the Tap Man as well.
That's a brand new interview. Awesome interview with him.
If you don't know who he is, he's basically a superstar in the streaming world. He's going to be like we're full on, not to be rebellion, but the cool streamers, Nick Merks and Tim the Tap Man, we're all in on these guys because they're fucking awesome.
We're all in on streaming right now. Well, we're all in on personality stream.
We actually talked to him about it, how there's a difference between people who are technically incredible at the video games but have no personality versus people you just want to hang out with, and that's Tim the Tapman. Yeah, I like Tim.
I like Nick Merckx. I don't know.
Do we have to pick a side? Are they friendly? No, they're friends. They're friends.
I think we're phase clan. Are they clan? Yeah, phase clan? Yeah, we're phase.
We're phase clan. Phase is fucked.
We'll phase on site if you see us. Dude, I'll phase fuck the shit out of you.
Yeah, don't even come at us. Phase up.
Phase up. Phase up, bro.
Before we do that, though, the Buffalo Bills are a fucking weapon. Josh Allen went into Foxborough, beat what was left of the Patriots.
Cam Newton, I mean, I think he has to retire. I don't really know at this point.
It was sad. It was sad because they were doing their best, and after the game, Josh McDaniels even added on to what they were saying in the pregame and during the game, which is that Cam Newton is working harder than anybody else on the Patriots, but he just sucks.
You know how much that must suck personally to go into work before anyone, leave after everyone's gone, and still suck at your job? It's got to be really, really bad. Yeah, so he might straight-up retire at this point.
I think, I mean, I don't want to harp too much on this, but they did lose their fullback going into the season. No one's talking about that.
They lost Devlin, and they lost Danny Vitale, who both opted out this year. Everyone's talking about Tom Brady.
That's a big deal. Which actually kind of makes him not a fullback.
That's a big deal. Right.
That would make them not a fullback. What, opting out? Yes.
I think they're opting into more football later. No, you know that that's not a fullback.
Well, okay, so Devlin didn't opt out. Devlin broke his neck and had to retire.
Danny Vitale, he's a Northwestern kid, you than everyone else so but uh it reminds me of you know that stupid game like way way old game like 20 years ago the uh qwerty the qwerty game where the guy had to run he has impossible impossible that's what cam newton looks like when he's trying to pass yeah he everything he i think when he gets the ball he says to himself okay like one foot in front of the other cock your arm back like he's trying to pass. Yeah.
Everything. I think when he gets the ball, he says to himself, okay, like one foot in front of the other, cock your arm back.
Like he's actually doing a mental checklist. That's how regimented and broken it looks when he's trying to throw the football.
It does look like there's a small Cam Newton inside of Cam Newton's body that's like pulling the levers. Right.
And like making him do all the things. You have to hit all the buttons perfectly just to get a seven-yard pass.

That's why he does the Superman celebration with a chest,

just to let the real Cam Newton take a peek out of his ribcage and then close it back up.

The other takeaway I had from this game,

we've obviously, Josh Allen has been a friend of the program

since he came in the league.

We love Josh Allen.

But even knowing how awesome he is, he will still, once or twice a game, put my jaw on the ground. I'll be watching him like, how did he just throw it that far just effortlessly? He is that incredible, and he's playing at that high of a level that he can still shock me.
I'm not saying he's Patrick Mahomes because Mahomes has the MVP in the Super Bowl. But there's only a few guys in the league who can do that where you sit there and you're like, holy fuck, how'd they do that? He's getting up to that level of how'd he do that? It's also super impressive when you're doing it and it's cold outside.
I know it probably makes very little difference in terms of throwing the football. But watching on TV, if it's like 30 degrees outside and Josh Allen is like the king of small windows and just nailing these throws.
Right. Like if it's cold, it's like more impressive personally to my eyeballs to watch it.
But I do think that Josh Allen is the new king of windows in the NFL. I think he has windows that he hits that Patrick Mahomes, I don't think Patrick Mahomes can make those same throws.
Yeah. I think that Josh Allen, I think the Buffalo Bills could very well beat the Chiefs.
In fact, I think that the Buffalo Bills will beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. Oh, wow.
I'm going to be the first that I heard say it to say it. Okay.
The Buffalo Bills are going to the Super Bowl. I haven't heard anyone say it.
I know who said it and I don't want to give them credit. I'm going to say it with my chest, though.
All right, all right, all right. That's the Bruce Hart.
Yeah. These Buffalo Bills are going to the Super Bowl.
But they might have to play the Browns in the playoffs. I don't know who I'm going to root for then.
Well, the Browns got lucky because Mason Rudolph is now officially starting on Sunday. I figured that was going to happen.
Big Ben needed his bye week. Hilarious that Big Ben, like the reports after that game on monday after we had taped but he essentially just started calling his own plays yeah for the entire second half just like drawing it up in the that's that's old school gunslinger like brett farve like hey we're just gonna we're gonna we're gonna draw this up in the sand here and play backyard football yeah um the rams cardinals game which means a lot to my personal happiness that is uh up in the air in terms of kyler murray's hurt jared goff's hurt blake portals is back in on the rams blake portals saving the bears season would be fantastic and then the other news was duane hasens got cut yep and uh that was the correct move.
And I don't know. No one's really saying it would.
I haven't heard a single person be like, they should have kept him. How? Why? Yeah, why? What's going on? And I'm liking the reports that are coming out.
Like, everything is now in retrospect. At the time, hand up, I wanted Dwayne Haskins.
I'll admit it. I'm man enough to admit it.
How about some Giants fans who wanted Dwayne Haskins? I didn't know he was going to have diarrhea for a full calendar year and get cut. That's on me.
There's no way to tell that. But going back and looking at exactly who on the team wanted him and who didn't, it was very clear that Jay Gruden never wanted Dwayne Haskins.
The people that were coaching the team at the time never wanted to draft Dwayne Haskins, and Dan Snyder made him because he was from potomac maryland and went to high school with dance that is that is the epitome of rooting for a team that's owned by dan snyder yeah is he will make your scouts and your front office draft a guy because he knew him when he was 15 years old that's i mean that is what the football team has been about in recent history and then there are reports like uh that people in the war room wanted to throw up during draft night. I love that.
They're the same people who threw up when they saw Teddy Bridgewater's knee. Yeah, you know what? Puke.
Don't tell me that you thought about puking. I want to hear the report that you puked.
You're being what they call extra, okay? It's very extra, dramatic, drama queen. Oh, I'm going to puke.
I bet you if somebody had puked, they wouldn't have drafted him. Yeah.
They would have been like, oh, my God. Maybe that would have been the start of the coronavirus.
Yeah. What's going on? Or maybe they would have just ran out the clock of their pick like the Vikings.
Be like, oh, shit, our draft card is covered in vomit. Yeah.
I think he'll get at least one more chance, but who knows? He won't. Because the list, well, the list now of quarterbacks who were drafted in the first round in the last 25 years and cut by their team before winning four games, Achilles Smith, Johnny Menzel, Paxson Lynch, Dwayne Haskins.
So I wouldn't, like, there's a chance that he won't get another chance. Oh, he's absolutely getting another chance.
He's football young. Paxson Lynch and Johnny Menzel did not get another chance.
Yeah, but Dwayne Haskins is a little bit different. He's football young.
He was good enough. Okay, wait, wait, wait.
He was good enough in college. Hold on.
Johnny Menzel was a different story, too. You can't say that Johnny Menzel washed out because he wasn't good at football.
No, but Dwayne Haskins has other things besides football that got him cut. Yeah, he loves strippers.
Right. He's horny.
So when I say he gets another chance, I agree that he will be in a camp or something. Do you think he will start another football game in the NFL? Yes, he will start.
I do not. I don't.
It might be a situation where he's a backup and gets in at a starting because of an injury. Care to make it interesting? All these guys, the amount of turnover and how quickly you can just be done, it's fast now.
Well, all the old guys aren't going to retire, so Tom Brady and Phil Rivers and Drew Brees, they're never going to retire. Big Ben.
I don't think there's a lot of seats at the table left. There aren't, but he'll get it.
Think about all the backups. He will start.
I guarantee you. I will bet you $1,000 that he will start another game.
Think about all the backups that are now going to be looking for a job next year. Right.
You would take Dwayne Haskins over Marcus Mariota? I wouldn't. Are you talking to me personally? James Winston? No, no, no.
Absolutely not. James Winston? Marcus Mariota? James Winston.
Yeah, I'd take him too. Yeah.
Mitch Trubisky is going to be out there, which I know everyone's going to laugh, but someone will take a chance at him being a backup. I'd take him over Dwayne Haskins.
Certainly over Dwayne Haskins, yeah. I think it's going to be – dude, Josh Rosen's never going to play another game.
I think we've seen enough from Josh. I think the body of evidence on Josh Rosen – We've seen about the exact same.
12 games out of Dwayne Haskins? Yeah, Josh Rosen didn't play – not by a lot. Well, the Dwayne Haskins stat lines are very similar to Josh Rosen's stat lines.
He had games where he threw like 350 yards but like yes he's bad but the fact that he only played 12 games in college and like 14 games in the NFL there and his arm is good enough where there'll be a coach that's like I can fix this man I can he's got the raw materials I'll break him down I mean if if Urban Meyer gets into the NFL he's definitely going to bring Dwayne Haskins along as a backup. I'm just saying it's not as guaranteed as it used to be.
I normally would have been like, oh, yeah, he'll definitely get another shot. He's a first-round pick.
I don't think it's as guaranteed as it used to be. They played Josh Rosen and Dwayne Haskins have played the exact same number of games but josh rosin went to college for what like three years but but that they played the exact same number of games in the nfl but dwayne haskins will definitely and i mean josh rosin has gotten like four more shots after he got not starting after he got cut by the uh not starting though he hasn't started another trust me dwayne haskins he'll start a game it'll be i don't know it'll be interesting i i'm i'm not i'm not like guaranteeing that i don't I think Dwayne Haskins will get'll start a game.
It'll be ugly. I don't know.
It'll be interesting. I'm not, like, guaranteeing that.

I don't think Dwayne Haskins will get a starting job,

but he'll definitely get a backup job that will lead to a start at some point.

Okay, yeah, I could buy that.

He will never be named starter for a season again.

Oh, probably not.

Yeah.

Yeah, I agree with that.

Okay.

I think you and I were arguing two separate things.

Yeah, well, I still would say that I would say it's more likely than not that he does not start another game in the NFL. I really think that it can go a lot faster than people realize at this point with how close college and the NFL are together in terms of the play calling and they've come together a lot more and how many quarterbacks we see in the draft every single year, like flooding the NFL rosters, how quickly they turn over.
There'll be one coach though, because coaches fall in love with arms so easily. And Dwayne Haskins has an arm that there'll definitely be a coach be like, oh my God, I can, if I can harness the power of his arm, I can, I can ride this all the way to like a Superbowl.
But Dwayne Haskins is not. He does not have what it takes to be a full-time starter.

I'm more saying that I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't get another starting job ever again in the NFL. And it wouldn't be because of anything besides Dwayne Haskins kind of fucking himself over.
Yeah. Because I think that this is how the NFL works now where they just burn through guys fast.
They will move fast on a guy and it will be over. I think if you went back and listened to the show that we did when he came in in the third quarter, the middle of the third quarter against the Giants last year for his first reps in the NFL, we said, like, okay, Jay Gruden is absolutely putting him out there to show Dan Snyder that this guy sucks.
Please don't make me play him. At the time, people thought that we were crazy for saying that, but I think that just demonstrates our deep knowledge of Dan Snyder and the Gruden family.
Yes, yes. So Dwayne Haskins, who knows what's going to happen.
Then the other news, I'm trying to think, oh, the Cubs are doing a fire sale. That fucking sucks.
Whatever. The Padres are going to be – the Padres are basically getting loaded so that they can finish second to the Dodgers again.
I know this makes no sense, but you could put an all-star team on the Padres, and I would just assume that they would finish second place. Yeah, they're going to finish second place to the Dodgers.
They do have the sweetest uniforms in baseball. They do, and they got the vibe going in Slam Diego.
The Cubs are going to start dipping into very hateable, in terms of the ownership territory, very, very soon. Because I have a feeling they're going to do a fire sale and make everyone pay for their shitty TV network.
They're going to make everyone pay for all the new bars in Wrigley and everything, and they're going to suck on the field. So that was the other story.
Anything else? Yeah, do you want to get mad about rankings real quick? Sure. We can get mad about rankings because ESn just put out their list of uh the top 28 teams to ever make the college football playoffs so they've college football playoffed the college football playoffs okay over the years uh number one wait who wait i wanted i'd rather go the other way you want to start let's do top top 10 20 no i want to know So 28's got to be Michigan State or Washington.
Okay, the worst team to ever make – it's 2015 Michigan State. Okay.
Yeah. That makes sense.
And then 27 is Notre Dame from 2018. Okay, that makes sense.
They lost 30-3. They got their shit kicked by Clemson.
And then Notre Dame – well, Notre Dame's kind of like a dynasty here. Notre Dame's at 26 also.
Okay. But that's this year's Notre Dame team.
Okay. That's pretty disrespectful to rank them.
Yeah, that's very mean. 26 having not played in the college football playoffs yet.
Okay. Then we've got Oklahoma from last year.
I think that's kind of like if you played against LSU in this, you're going to be docked. You're going to be at the end.
And then 2016 Ohio State is number 24. So let's skip to the top five now because there's a lot of teams in between.
It's just Alabama and Clemson. Let's see.
Oh, no, Ohio State when they won it. Top five, number five, 2018 Alabama.
They went 14-1. Number four, 2016 Clemson when they beat Alabama in the natty.
Then 2017 Alabama. Then 2018 Clemson.
And then LSU, number one. Oh, wow.
So Ohio State was what, six? Ohio State was six, yeah. Okay.
Well, that's... But yeah, I think...
That was a snake eating its tail there. Eight out of the top ten are just Clemson and Alabama.
Yeah. I mean, they're better than everyone.
It happens every single year. Anything else I'm trying to remember? I think that's it.
We just got Bowl Mania, Cheez-It Bowl. We're taping this right before the Cheez-It Bowl.
But just a reminder, the 2018 Cheez-It Bowl is one of the worst, best games I've ever seen. No, best, worst games I've ever seen in my entire life with nine interceptions.
I was going back through it today to try to remember it and going through tweets. The quarterback for TCU went seven for 20 with four interceptions, 27 yards, and he actually got benched for a play by a guy who had dropped foot, which is paralysis in your foot.
It was incredible. I remember watching it and being like, what is going on? That sounds like a disease that you get in the trenches of World War I.
It was crazy. Someone sent me a screenshot this morning.
It was so funny. The progression, the quarterback for TCU, which they won the game, by the way.
The quarterback for TCU was like 4 for 15 for 10 yards and 4 interceptions. And then like a quarter later, he was 5 for 17 for 8 yards.
So he went backwards in yards in one more completion. I also remember they put a graphic up of like the quarterback that they brought in and it was like one of his legs doesn't work right one of his legs doesn't work and it was there was a moment in time where the tcu and the cal quarterbacks were the only two quarterbacks in all of division one who were seniors on their roster playing in a game when they had never started a game for the team that they were on.
That's crazy. It was insane.
It was absolutely insane. So, yeah.
One more thing. Jim Schwartz, it looks like, is trying.
He's put himself in a position of temporary interim head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. Oh, nice.
Because he gave a press conference, and he was talking about what they have to do this weekend on Sunday night. And he said, we've got to have a no hat rule this week.
So no hats. They're not allowing hats in the building because they don't want to have the Washington football team go into their house and then put a division champion hat on right after the game.
So they're leading by example. It's a t-shirt and hacky.
No hats. I don't no you guys are i'm scared now i'm scared well also i mean if you if carson wentz plays now you're really fucked because carson wentz if you take away his backwards hat he's a franchise quarterback but if he goes forward well no he's not wearing a hat he can't wear a hat i don't know i i still have the mindset that the more carson wentz tries to do the worse he is no the more cars don't want Carson Wentz.
I do want an extreme version of Carson Wentz. You don't want Carson Wentz.
Carson Wentz version of Carson Wentz possible. All right, let's do our best of.
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HelloFresh.com slash PMT10. here he is tim the tap man okay we now welcome on very special guest it is tim the tap man you know him he is a very famous person on twitch uh streamer video game guy you actually you might have actually found out about him through the Fall Guys situation that you had a couple months ago, which was electric.
That's how I first saw you on my radar. Tim, thank you for having us on, Tim.
Or thank you for coming on. Absolutely, absolutely.
It's great. We've been trying to set this up for a while.
I know, man. We're trying to broaden our horizons, get more involved in the Twitch.
Can you, can we start like from the, from the top, like your, your history, your story, how you got into all this? Yeah, yeah, sure. Absolutely.
So I started, I started streaming. I heard about Twitch about eight years ago.
Right. And, um, I, I used to watch soda pop and it was still a very large streamer.
Then I watched him years ago and I was like, man, this is kind of cool. This guy's just like playing video games and hanging out.
There's like a chat room and stuff like that. And, um, so I was like, I want to try that.
So I built my very first streaming PC about eight years ago. Now it was 800 bucks.
And, um, I just started kind of doing it casually on the side and I was working I was working full-time 40 50 hours a week just doing the normal thing and just kind of streaming like 20 or 30 on the side and then um after a while uh you know I finally got my sub button and I started being able to make some money on it and I was like oh dude this is this is cool and then uh I'll never forget was sitting there. I was like, man, I'm making more money on the side than I am in my full-time thing.
I was like, shoot, maybe I should give this a shot. Right.
And, um, I still won't forget. I went in and I talked to my boss and I was like, Hey, I appreciate you guys all a lot.
This is great, but I think I got to take a chance here. And, um, I got it.
And, uh, you know, here I am now seven years later, I've been full-time for almost seven years now. But it all just started as a hobby.
And it was a lot smaller back then, bro, a lot smaller. So when you were coming up and playing video games your whole life, I would imagine, were you always like an entertaining person while you were playing video games? Or were you like when you started, were you kind of quiet? And then you got good at talking shit.
And then you were like, hey, maybe I should be broadcasting this? Yeah, no, I always, I was always pretty vocal. My friends will tell you, no matter what I played.
I actually, I still, I have not played a game of Madden since I was 15 because I got so mad at one of my friends because I'm a big Cowboys fan, obviously, and he's an Eagles fan. And he was the Eagles, and I was the Cowboys, and I was losing 52-6 at half.
And he was just – I wasn't even saying anything. I was so mad.
I, like, freaked out. I, like, threw my controller.
I threw my phone into a wall. It was a whole thing.
But I've always just had to, like, express myself whenever I played, whether it's Call of Duty or Counter-Strike or a sports game game like madden you know um but i guess i've always just kind of been that way my whole life you know i wouldn't i don't know if i ever thought i was entertaining though it's just kind of what i did you know what i mean yeah there's definitely something to be said for like guys who are fun to play video games with i've got friends that are very fun and then some friends that are probably better but not as fun to play video games with and i'm always going to choose the person who's like better at shit talking you know exactly yeah right you want to you want to you know there's times where we would come home from work and we just play call of duty and just kind of you know hang out it's it's not as serious right even if we're not winning we're still having a good time right i think and there's a lot to be said about that man to just kind of decompress after work and stuff and just hanging out you know what i mean so so uh you you you tell the story about you know quitting your job that's an awesome moment anyone who bets on themselves you know pft and actually everyone in this room has kind of had that similar moment of like hey we're not going to do the traditional job we're going to give this a go but what was the moment where you realized oh fuck this is actually kind of a career here like this is being a video game player is now a legit career yeah i i really it was it was around the time i was going full time like i said i was kind of it was at a point where i was working less on the side but i was making more money i was like okay well wait maybe, well, wait, maybe I got something that I could take a shot here. But even when I did that, I'll never forget, I was talking to my dad and he was like, well, you got to be careful, have something to fall back on just in case.
And I did, you know, I did understandably because I mean, that long ago, people were making money playing video games when it wasn't anywhere near the level of money that we're looking at. Now, I haven't seen industry grow.
I mean, to be fair, I was younger, right? But growing up in this video game industry and seeing like the amount of money that a lot of these, a lot of these young kids even are making now is crazy. It's crazy to see.
It's like, it's almost a flip, right? When I was younger, my dad was like, get off those video games, go work, you know, go play outside. Now, now you got some parents that are like get on that video game quick it's like a it's a weird dynamic now or kind of flipped around but it really was around that time that when i for me personally it was that at that moment where i was kind of making more you know playing video games entertaining on the side and i was like i think this could actually be something here and i want to give it a shot yeah yeah did you have any any moments at your, uh, at your old, you know, real job where, uh, while you were working, gaining popularity, like somebody from, you know, your side universe that knew you from your streams brought that into, you know, your real orbit in the office or something like that.
And you had to kind of weigh your popularity offline versus what you're doing, like in an office environment or whatever your job was. Yeah.
Nothing like that ever really happened at work. I had gotten recognized a little bit while I was still working, but it wasn't at work necessarily.
And all my coworkers obviously knew what I did. And so it was kind of this thing where, you know, they were just kind of joking around like, oh, Tim, he plays video games for living, blah, blah, for living blah blah blah and um but i at that point in my in my career i've been recognized maybe a handful of times at that point you know because i'm from syracuse new york which is um a you know smaller town and i uh i you know i mean it's not super super small but it's a smaller city right and so i couple of times, like a real small handful of times.
And part of that, too, is because I didn't really go out much. Right.
I was working 40. I was streaming 30.
And then if I had time on the side, I was trying to hang out with some friends, stuff like that, you know, when I was a lot younger. So but no, not really at work necessarily.
But around that time, there were people that were starting to recognize me in the Syracuse area. So where do you rank on the skill-based level? Because, like, the Fall Guys is a perfect example where I think – Yeah, dude.
Yeah, maybe I'm new to streaming, understanding it, but it does feel like there are exceptional video game players and there are the people that are a fun hang and really entertaining. And it seems like this isn't a knock on your video game skills but would you say you fall into that category i definitely fall in the category of more fun to play with and i understand that um it's a weird dynamic though because i've always my chat always call me like a wild card right you kind of never know what you're gonna get out of base play for me every once in a while there's this weird you know version of me when I'm playing that just like almost like transcends.
And I'm like, I don't even know what I'm doing. Right.
And there's times where I've clutched up and pretty crazy moments. And, you know, even with something like Fortnite, like I have some earnings in Fortnite, I have earnings in war zone from tournaments, right? Not just my stream, but when you, when you look at me compared to a lot of these guys that are way, way, way up here, obviously I'm a lot less skilled than them.
But the reality is I'm playing with these guys like Nick, Swag, Cloaksy. These guys all got, excuse me, microphone.
These guys all got, what, five plus KDs maybe, like four or five-ish. I'm sitting around a 2-7.
So if you put me against 13-year-old me, I would have kicked my ass. Wait, what's KD? What's KD? Oh, KD's kill-death ratio.
So, it's like, for every time, like, Cloak sees to life, he'll get five kills before he dies. Right.
Does that make sense? Yeah. So, like, for me, that's kind of the base that a lot of people do with Warzone to kind of tell where you're at.
So, like, for me, I'm a 2.7, which means for me, I'm usually 2.7 every time I die. Average, normal, for most is around a one.
What about now? I mean, I haven't played Call of Duty in a couple years, but I was like a negative three, I think. That's not bad.
You know, it's one hand, right? Yeah, right, right. I played Warzone for the very first time last night.
I jumped out of the plane, got my parachute caught in a tree, and then I fell on the ground and died immediately. What is it? That's a negative? Is that just a negative one? That's a negative one, so I guess that's your KD right now.
It's an efficient negative one, though, because it was so fast. Yeah, right, right.
Time played is impressive, right? It's like, man, this guy played for like five seconds, and he's got a negative one KD already. What advice would you give to somebody, hypothetically, who is just starting to play Warzone? If you could give them like two pieces of advice to be the best Warzone player that they could be.
I have a good question, actually. Great question.
I would say, so a lot of us guys, they always see us dropping Superstore, right? They see us landing at these hot spots and just getting in. If I was starting, I would land a way out.
You know what I mean? Because Battle Royales have obviously been a genre that have been around for a very long time now. I remember Arma 3 Battle Royale.
This was six, seven years ago that I played it. And then you got games like H1Z1, which kind of came from it.
And I'd always played like Battle Royales. I'd always like the concept.
But when I first started, I was always like, okay, let's just go far away, try and like get myself situated. And then let's make our way in.
Whereas now in Warzone, I'm just like, okay, hop right in the middle. You got 25 people landing on you and it's crazy.
I like that advice. Take it slow.
Be a coward. I can use that advice.
I can lean into that. I don't know if coward, maybe be intellectual with your positioning.
That's how I'll frame it. Yeah, I'll be really extra smart with it.
Is it possible to win an entire battle royale without firing a shot? Because that's what I want to try to do. We did it in Fortnite.
Yeah, I finished like third in Fortnite once with just hiding in a bush. Yeah, that's what I want to do.
Fortnite, we made it happen. Warzone, I think, would be a lot, a lot harder.
I don't even know if we ever tried that in Warzone because Warzone's gunplay is so much. I mean, obviously, in Fortnite, it's like you get shot and you just kind of like build, right? And there i would say like pew pew pew kind of gunplay compared to warzone yeah or something would be really hard to not win by without a shot we we did win one where we we only used like melee cali sticks we did that but technically we didn't shoot cali sticks is like a uh you run around with these two sticks yeah and you just kind of pop pop and pop.
And yeah, you just like hit. So we actually, actually we might've gotten second.
I don't even know if we went with that. It was, we were really close with that though, but that was really hard because you got, if these guys know what they're doing and they, you know, most of the time they do and they have guns and we don't, I mean, that's just kind of, that's what I might try to do.
I might try to be a pacifist in war zone and see, see how get the riot shield out just kind of hold their you know i gotta tell you i've seen a lot of guys in the end game with just a riot shield just walking around because no one could kill them yeah um something to say there you know this is kind of it might be a boring question but i'm always you know interested in just day to day like what is your schedule like what do you do so i'm typically up around six or seven i have a kid uh my son he's he's a little less than two um so he's usually up bright and early right i have a son the same age yeah yeah i mean so you get it it's like they're up you're up you know what i mean it's like hey it's time the day's starting for everyone it's 5 o'clock. So, you know, 6 or 7 is usually when I get up.
I've been trying to look after my health a bit. So I'll try and go for like a little run, mile 2, 3 on a really good day.
You know what I mean? And then usually get some coffee in me. And I'm usually going live around 9 or 10 in the morning.
And then typically I typically I'll go to about five or six straight through and straight through, um, you know, times I obviously you'll get up, walk around, but I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm gone for like an extended period. It's, you know, like I think back when I used to work at a warehouse, right.
It's like out of 15, 20 minute break where I just kind of walked away and just didn't, I don't, you don't have anything like that necessarily, obviously, but like, if I got to get up and get something to eat really quick, I'll just go grab something, come back. Um, and then, and then, so then I'm streaming from about 10 to five, 10 to six on a long day.
And then, you know, sometimes I, I, a lot of times actually all that, you know, meetings, uh, something, you know, something like this, obviously this, I just shut my stream off and now here I am doing this. Right.
So there's a lot of stuff surprisingly that, that happens off the stream that a lot of people obviously don't see when you're not live. Right.
But then, Gene, I'm, I'm fricking, you know, usually like after this, I'll just go get some dinner, maybe a steak or something, and then, uh, relax for a little bit hour or two. Sometimes I play a video game off stream.
That's a funny conversation with my wife. Yeah.
Because, yeah, because it's hard to explain, but like when I'm playing, when I'm streaming, so for example, I just got done with Fortnite. I was playing Fortnite for about four or five hours there with Nick.
And when I get off stream, you know, I have like different games that I kind of, I chill out with more. You guys ever hear World of Warcraft? You know what that game is? Yeah game is I love WoW but I don't typically stream it as much just because it's not in my I guess you could say wheelhouse of uh how I entertain if you will right um there'll be times I'll be like eff it I'm just gonna stream it you know but it was always how here's what I always tell people is World of Warcraft I've been playing since I was 13 it's always how I d d defragged right so it's like i'd work come home from work hop on wow for like an hour or two and go to bed right so now sometimes i'm playing eight hours a day then i get off and i'm like all right you know hang out my hang out my son for a little bit put him to bed it's like all right i'm gonna go i mean like porn stars have sex right after they shoot porn that's right right that's right.
Exactly. It's kind of the same thing.
I've never thought of it that way. Yeah, you make love to wow.
To wow. There you go.
Right. You're fucking during the day.
Right, and then you're making love to wow at night. That's right.
That's right. Yeah.
I mean, that's a good way to look at it. I mean, absolutely.
But, yeah, that's usually my day in, day out kind of routine. Is it seven days a week? Do you take a day off? No, man.
I'm actually, so a lot of these streamers, a lot of them go hard for a really long time. I've always, always taken two days off.
And I think that's been great for me. I see a lot of, there's a ton of burnout.
As funny as it is to say, a lot of people, a lot of people looking outside in, they look at something like this as a job and they kind of laugh at it. Like, how would you burn out? All you're doing is playing video games all day, right? But there's a lot of people, man, just like mental burnouts that are just, they're done.
I think a big part of why I've been able to do this for so long is I have a pretty healthy balance, man. I'll take two days off a week usually.
With the exception of if there's something big's going on, I might hop on on a weekend or something

like that. But usually Saturdays, Sundays, I'm off.
And then in summers too, I'll take like a

week family vacation. And not a ton of these streams.
I mean, to be fair, a lot of them are

kids, right? But it's like, I got my family, my wife, my kid, and I'll take them out of vacation,

just completely disconnect for a week to go hang out at Disney, Orlando, whatever, and just, you know, relax. And I think there's a big, you know, testament to that.
But, you know, usually five days a week, though. Yeah.
I mean, that's cool. I mean, it's interesting just to hear because you really, it's a job.
You know what I mean? You love it, but it's also a job. It really is like, here's my, I'm working a schedule just like anyone else who works.
I mean, in addition to the porn star thing, that's like us watching sports and talking about sports. And then we go home and we watch sports and we talk about sports.
But it's different because we're not, people aren't hearing us do it. Yeah.
Yes. This might be a dumb question, but do you do eye exercises? I actually, I don't.
Not a dumb question. And my eyes have gotten worse since I've been playing for so long.
I will say that, too. It's not to a point where I don't have any glasses.
Basically, when I started, I was 20-20 for a really long time, and now my vision is not as good as it was. I can tell.
Because I'm staring at the screen all day, right? I'm looking here. I'm looking here.
And then I like go to look at my TV and it's like way far away. And I'm like, what the heck? And I've definitely gotten to that point now where I don't know if it's old age comboed, you know, I'm 30 now.
I don't know if it's that comboed with, uh, you know, playing for eight hours a day, but I don't actually do eye exercises. What I will say is, um, you know, if I don't play wow or something, I try not to stare at a screen as much, even on my phone phone i try not to like be on my phone a ton like just try to get my eyes a little a little break at least you know do you dream about video games so i mean sometimes bro sometimes i there's i i are you good in those like are you yeah that's good because you're not in real life right that's that's the dream right it's it's you know thinking about oh man i just i just i squad wiped them so easy no i i i will i'll dream about like world of warcraft once in a while even times when i was playing a ton of fortnight i dream about fortnight it's weird man but i think that's kind of how it is with anything that you're kind of consumed with right you'll you'll you'll go to bed and your and your subconscious will be thinking about you know whatever it is that you know you're super super obsessed with you know and i mean video games for me i i'd always played my whole life i'd always loved them and it was a constant battle with me and my dad saying get off the video games but here we are man able to turn him you know turn my turn my obsession into a job thankfully yeah um so we got a so one of the guys who works here is a huge huge fan like he actually when we were uh getting ready to interview you he pulled me aside was like i have been the tim tapman fan forever i'm gonna send you guys a list so he sent us a list some of these questions we don't even really like know what they mean but can we fire off this yeah yeah this will be interesting because i'll be able to kind of tell yeah this is what like your hardcore fans probably want to hear um uh how much money do you make uh after taxes oh my god i don't even know about that no i'm just kidding that wasn't a real question but you know what's funny is i don't even know i don't even know off the top of my head bro because that's all my business manager no no.
No, no, that wasn't a real question. All right.
I was about to go through.

Why you should buy a Jeep over a Tesla? Oh, well, I mean, let's start with the base minimum, right? Jeeps are cooler, right? You can take the doors off. You can take the tops off.
One thing I love about my Jeep, so I drive Wranglers and I have a Gladiator. and you'll never see like one or two jeeps that are the same because there's so much like customization on them bro um you know one guy's got the dave matthew sticker in the top right hand corner one guy has the flag on the back on the tire yeah no you're right you're totally bro i'm a huge dave fan too so that's funny um but yeah i dude and dude, and if there's like a zombie apocalypse or something like that, and there's like a Tesla that is like, let's say, abandoned on the side of the road, right? Hypothetically, you disconnect your sway bar, you're in a Jeep, bro.
You just go right over it. You know what I'm saying? So there's a lot of benefits, but ultimately, Jeeps are just superior in every way, shape, and form form it's tough to quit dipping if you're driving

a jeep though because you're you're going first of all you're outdoors at the time second of all you're going to gas stations our good friend blake bortles purchased a tesla just so that he would stop going to gas stations to buy dip all the time really he still did it didn't work i don't know if the tesla worked then bro yeah that's a that's a expensive method of quitting Copenhagen. Yeah, cold turkey

might have been a little better

found the wallet, but what are you going to do? Here's another question that we got sent. How much taller are you than Nick Merckx? How tall do you guys think he is? I think he's my height.
What are you? Because he says that he's 5'11", 6 feet. I'm 5' half.
Okay. Yeah, he's right around there, 5'8", 5'9".
Okay. So you tall.
How tall are you? It depends on the shoes I'm wearing, but I'm around 6'3". Okay.
6'1", on a really good day. 6'1", on a good day.
I'm over 6 foot. Easy, though.
I have no idea how tall you are. You just gave us three different times.
Dude, if you're over 6'0, you don't have to lie. You know that, right? I'm 6'2 and a half.
I don't have to lie. I'm 6'2 and a half.
I am over 6'0, and Nick is just ever so under 6'0, and he really can't accept it. It's crazy.
Okay, could you beat him up in a fight that'd be a hard fight bro it depends on the circumstances he i mean he's uh you know he's and he's lifting right now heavy right now he kicked my ass probably i used to lift a lot back in the day but right now i'm kind of getting into my old age 30 you know i'm running you know my legs right now are strong but my my my you know my upper body's not there right now so he'd probably i could get a good hit though yeah what if you guys are both at your peak dude you can be that's a tough one that's a really tough one bro i i i got hit with a ford f-150 while i was running what and i and i popped up from it yeah i got hit like this guy blew a stop sign i was running this was back when i was lifting a good amount i was i was jogging and the guy blew a stop sign he wait i heard it last second yeah go ahead are you sure this just wasn't gta no i'm positive bro it's not this was real life all right so no tell the story tell the story yeah so so i was just you know jogging and um the guy i saw the truck i had a stop sign so i was like i'll just go through um he he apparently blew the stop sign and he just like hit me and i my only reaction was to jump up and lean into it thank god because if i otherwise it probably would have like went over me and i'd be in a lot a lot certain different circumstances right now but um it uh yeah it was i got hit and i popped up because always played sports when I was younger. So my dad, I like heard my dad in my head, like walking off kind of thing, you know, like I didn't just get hit by a truck.
So he hit me and, um, popped up and the guy pulled over and this is the funniest part to me, bro. It's, it's high noon on like a sunny December day in Syracuse.
And, um, I'm wearing a reflective jacket just for whatever reason. And, uh out of the truck I'm six foot 250 goes man you came out of nowhere I was like oh I was like I came out of nowhere bro I don't know what I don't know where you were looking but I was dead in the center of this intersection but yeah he uh yeah he hit me good and put like that didn't even knock me out you know what I mean? That kind of hit me, and I was like, oh, shit.

And I just kind of popped up.

But peak, it'd be an interesting fight, bro.

Sounds like you could win.

Sounds like you could win.

Let's think Burks is a truck.

You just said that you leaned into a truck as he was hitting you.

I did, and it didn't knock me out.

So I don't know.

But, you know, I mean, one good punch, that could really kind of, you know,

change your day.

You know what I'm saying?

So who knows?

That's true. Between you and Nick, if you guys were to play a game of Warzone, what's the BD ratio, the bros per death? How many bros do you let out during a game as compared to him? Because I know he's a big bro guy too.
Yeah, there's this whole running joke about how listening to a stream with me and him it's just every other word is bro bro bro i would say our average bro per death probably about six or seven to be honest for me it's probably probably higher than my higher than my kill death but him and i both we just kind of i don't know bro's always been um my whole life it's just been a middle middle, like middle conversation. You know what I mean? Just like, yeah, what's going on, bro? You know what I mean? That just rolls off the tongue.
But that's funny. Was that a question from the guy? Yeah.
Did he ask that? Yeah. Yeah.
Because we really, we say it way more than we probably should have, bro. Oh, I just did it right there.
That was like a natural, that was like a natural time where it just rolled off the tongue. It's a great word because you can be like what's up bro which is casual or you can be like bro which is like that's you've been betrayed wait yeah that one depending on the inflection there's a lot of things that bro can mean you know what i mean bro yeah uh what's the meanest thing that the chat has said or like what's the thing that really makes them mad or you makes you mad that makes me mad this is a dumb thing to answer by the way i've yeah right i've i've heard everything i mean well i brought i'm wearing this uh i'm wearing so this is ninja's new hoodie and i'm wearing this today and they're all spamming uh jiggly puff cosplay or kirby cosplay you know what i'm saying they just any anything any kind of clothing i wear anything besides like a black t-shirt if i have a base black t-shirt on i don't really hear anything i if i put any other color on it's i i it's unbelievable bro anything i wear they just kind of harp on it and it's it's it's literally gotten to me a point where most of my wardrobe is just black t-shirts because i typically typically don't wear this today and they roast me.
It's crazy. You got to do it.
I've slowly gotten into that zone too. Just wear black T-shirts all the time.
Slimming. Makes me look thinner.
Very slimming. What's your relationship with the chat overall? Is it like you converse with them the entire time? Do you have hardcore Tim, the Tapman fans that you know and you recognize? How does that work? Yeah, so there's viewers that I've seen since, like, day one.
There's a couple guys that have been there for eight-ish years now, I think. And so, like, I usually – I don't know how, but I'll usually catch them in the chat when they're in there.
But my relationship with my chat is good, man. We joke around a lot.
At the beginning of my stream, I always do like, it's almost like, I don't want to call it a podcast because it isn't. But it's like, I call it just chatting.
I literally turn my stream on. Similar.
I'm just talking. We're just bantering back and forth.
But instead of like me talking to someone else, I'm talking to the chat. That make sense? So it's like a little bit of a different dynamic there but you know i started i saw off every day with that and it's just kind of how i ease into it and um i i always say i always say this we joke around a lot and they roast me a lot but i know they'd all have my back in a bar fight that's what i always say and any of my viewers that i met i you know they would they would come you know have a right hook out of nowhere if someone would, you know, someone was trying to start something with me.

And it kind of feels like a tight family where you can joke around with each other and not take each other too seriously and, you know, hang out at the same time. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's awesome.
Have you ever done anything that's caused the chat to turn on you? Ooh. Anything sus? Will you change your intro? Oh! Bro, my my intro man and the new one is just so much better but some of them are so locked in on the old intro i i just how could you do that how can you do that how could i but it's like this these are clips from like seven or eight years ago it's like i'd like to change a little something at this point and then you know what you know what you know what my favorite part of the new intro is my old intro was three minutes long.
And it was like this little song, uh, that, that we made and it was really catchy, but the new intro thing is it locked me into that three minute intro. Does that make sense right now? My new intro loops for eternity.
So if I'm walking around the house, you know, just kind of easing into my day, I'm not basically, if i wasn't at my computer after three minutes they're staring at a black screen i got nothing there yeah now it's like i can leave that thing up for an hour bro whenever i want to come out you know what i'm saying yeah you have another 30 minutes but yeah the intro the the you know the old intro is great and every once in a while whips my my head mod he'll he'll play the he'll play the old intro just for a good measure you know what i mean just give it to him a little bit and uh you know have them be happy it's there i can i can understand that though it's like at some point that song it stops becoming like a pump-up song for you in your own head it's like a clock like ticking down to zero and it becomes like anxiety you know i heard i heard that song in my sleep still i can hear that song in my sleep so i'm watching this video right now so your son turned off your stream the other day how like that i mean i like i said i have a son that's pretty much the same age and all they all they do is just if there's a button he's pressing it but yep that's absolutely right literally and figuratively but how do you have you like at what point are you going to hope that your son's going to start playing video games with you and is that weird to think like i'm a dad but i'm also a professional video game player yeah i thought about that i i mean i i think a lot of parents some of them are kind of weary about you know televisions ipad stuff like that um just like kind of giving it to a kid at a young age i'm kind of the opposite and i don't know i i don that's necessarily good, but I want him to, I'd love to play video games with him. I think that'd be great.
I think about times when I was younger and even though my dad didn't like video games, he would still sit down every once in a while and kind of play with me. And those are some really loving moments that I have in my own memory.
So I'm really excited to have that happen with my own son. I will say that I'm planning on kicking his ass in video games for about as long as I can because there's probably going to come a point where he's going to be better than me, right? Because a lot of these kids, they're better than me right now.
I can admit that, you know, but I want him to think, oh, my dad's crazy good, right? Even though everyone else in the world is like, he's okay, he's average. But now he beats me and everything, you know.
But I think we're going to have a lot of great memories with that. I'm really excited for that.
I love that. Yeah, that's great.
It's like most dads are afraid of the first time their kid beats him in basketball. Actually, that's what I'm going to do with my kid eventually is I'm just going to beat the shit out of him in basketball when they're like five.
And then so they'll retain that memory and they'll think, oh, my dad, my God, my dad is that ever he could almost be in the NBA right yeah alright I had one last question for you the Cowboys let's talk about the Cowboys oh let me do this final question brought to you by Cross Country Mortgage America's crazy good mortgage company go to ccmlens.com slash take to learn more about your future home buying experience or refinancing needs equal housing opportunity all right the cowboys the cowboys cowboys the cowboys fucking suck dude it's a hard year man it's a hard year um it's been a hard which year are you talking about the last yeah right i was about to say it's been a hard it's been a hard long time i uh i you know i was i was three and four. I was born in 90.
So I vaguely remember 94. I consider myself that I watched that Super Bowl.
That's right. Because my dad is a huge Cowboys fan, and he sat me down next to him.
And so I jokingly say that I saw the Cowboys win. But, bro, I mean, this year, woof.
I mean, it's kind of like a rinse and repeat, you know, as a Cowboys fan. I always say that.
It's like at the beginning of the year, you're looking at it, and you're like, oh, we look good. We're looking good this year.
This looks great. Really, the talent, you look at the lineup, you're like, oh, my God.
How are we going to win? Right? And then a couple games in, you're kind of feeling it out. It's like, okay, well, and then maybe an injury happens or something like that.
You're like, well, okay. And then now we're, you know, I don't even know what we are now.
Three and seven. I think the whole, the whole NFC East right now is just a giant awful.
It's just terrible. Whoever, whoever wins that.
I always, I've been jokingly saying though, whoever wins the NFC is going to win the Superbowl watching. I think everyone's going to, everyone's going to underexpect it.
You know what I mean? I think they're probably going to win a playoff game. That happens all the time.
There's a 6-10 team. It was the Giants.
Didn't they win the Super Bowl coming off 8-8? They were 9-7, I think. Were they? I think they were 9-7 that year.
But the Saints won when they were 9-7 when they won their division. When they were 7-9.
7-9, right. They lost to the Seahaw Yeah.
I forget how that went. 7-9 didn't win a game.
Yeah, there was like a stat where it's like, you know, teams that are, you know, coming into the playoffs as the underdog have a Mario chance, whatever. But, you know, the Cowboys, man, I love them.
And I've been a fan my whole life. But it's, yeah, man, this year, I mean, I'm a rebuilding year.
a rebuilding year. I feel like I say that, you know, every year though.
Yeah, right. The Cowboys just reload, but they just reload to being exactly as inefficient as they were.
Yeah, 8-8, man. It's like their plague.
I don't even know. I don't even think we're going to hit 8-8 this year, but it's like 8-8 by the end of the year, every single time.
It's like, man, I don't know, bro. I don't know.
As a fan, I just watch it. I'm like, man, hopefully next year we get it all sorted out.
You know what I mean? I mean, I guess the spin zone is as long as you pay Dak, then he'll probably come back and you guys will be a solid eight, eight, nine, and seven again. Right.
You're right, right. I mean, Dak's a – I love him as a QB.
I was a huge Tony Romo fan too. I feel like a lot of people didn't really like Romo for whatever reason.

You know, you think about the fumbled kick hold, whatever.

But it's like I always liked the way Tony Romo played,

and then Dak came in.

I was like, I like Dak a lot too.

And I really do have high hopes for Dak, man.

I hope they sign him and figure it out.

We'll see.

Yeah, yeah. I actually did see this one last one from the sheet.
Man of many looks throughout the years, just like you. He's talking to me, and he said fluctuating in various weights, which I actually noticed because I'm a bigger guy myself who fluctuates.
When you said at the beginning, you know, I'm trying to look after my health running a mile a day that is such a fat guy thing to say it is bro right like i'll be i'll say that every now and then be like yeah you know what i'm on a diet i went to the gym for 20 minutes today i'm trying to get healthy and then like check in three weeks from now and i'm eating a pizza doing the same shit so keep strong stay strong thank you hey i appreciate, bro. We'll get there eventually, right? One day at a time.
Yes, yes, yes. Well, yeah.
Holidays are coming up. You're doing the pre-holiday.
I'm doing that right now, too. Yeah, right.
Pre-holiday. Pre-holiday so I can bulk.
Yeah, it's games right now. You get to take that diet through January because it's the playoffs and the Super Bowl.
Yeah, right. Super Bowl.
You want to eat good on the Super Bowl, so you kind of like end of December into like Super Bowl area. Well, then Valentine's Day, you want to go for a nice meal too.
Valentine's Day, and then after that, it's like, oh, summer's coming up. We'll say it's spring.
All right, let's diet again a little bit. I think we figured out that America has really one month in which guys can realistically hope to diet, and that's April.
Like right after March Madness is over. You get April to kind of not eat anything, just drink a lot of water, eat salad, and then that through Memorial Day.
And then Memorial Day weekend through the summer. Memorial Day is like the kickoff, right? The kickoff of eating barbecue and drinking beer.
Yes, yes. Well, this has been awesome, man.
We really appreciate it. We've got to play some video games with you and Nick sometime.
I'm down, bro. Let's get you guys in some Warzone games or Fortnite or Warzone.
Which one do you like more? I'll play Warzone. I'm actually going to try to see how long I can last without firing a weapon.
Let's get it, bro. Let's get you in so that maybe when you put you next to me me people be like man maybe it seems actually you know kind of decent right maybe that would be the thing right right yeah the old adam case jay cutler yeah maybe we'll have nick murk sit in our studio and use the controls while i sit with a dummy controller and i murk idea smart smart smart i like that all right man well thanks so much really appreciate it absolutely man i appreciate you guys having me.
Smart. Smart.
I like that. Alright, man.
Well, thanks so much. Really appreciate it.
Absolutely, man. I appreciate you guys having me.
Thanks much for doing this. It's awesome.
Yeah. Go check him out on Twitch.
TimTheTapMan. Very, very entertaining.
Appreciate you. Appreciate you.
Okay. Thanks to TimTheTapMan.
Next up, PFT, we have... We're going to go actually in chronological order for the year for our best of and we have something that feels like it was 10 million years ago but it was the national championship in New Orleans.
It really does feel like that was 20 years. It makes no sense that this was 11 months ago.
The best time ever. It was one of my favorite weeks I've ever had and one of my favorite mornings that I've ever had.

It was right in the sweet zone when you were still drunk, but you hadn't quite started to get hung over yet. Right.
And so you were feeling great about all your decisions, which were probably questionable at best. Everything was funny.
Yes. Like everything was giggling.
Liam, what was your favorite memory from that morning? All of it. Yeah, all of it.
sleeping in liam had we we got back from the hotel at uh from after the game we got back to the hotel probably like three or four in the morning later like 4 30 and we're sitting there we get in the lobby and in the lobby there's a guy disgruntled with a huge bag of delivery food and he's like calling and he's asking the front desk person.

And he's like,

like,

I'm trying to bring this up to some guy named Liam.

And we're like,

all right, we'll take care of it.

So we went up to Liam's room.

We got a key card.

We dropped it off.

We tried to wake him up.

The next morning we went back,

all the food,

nothing had been touched.

And yeah,

it was a good night in New Orleans.

It was wonderful.

And,

and the morning after was incredible talking to Joe and to coach Joe, asking him just, like, probably the same four questions over and over again. Pretty much.
There was one point where I asked Joe Burrow a question, but I never really had a question. No, you just kept on rambling.
I was just like, you guys kick ass. Yeah.
It's pretty cool watching. It was the Michael Scott.
Like, you start a sentence, you don't know if it's going to end or not. Oh, I knew what I wanted to say to him.
And I just wanted to be like, yo, do you know how much ass you kick? That was the question I wanted to ask. Yes.
Some pretty hard-hitting stuff. But, yeah, we just kind of lost our train of thought a few times.
But one of the greatest mornings, one of the greatest weeks that we've had. And we're also going to throw in our interview with Jay Cutler, which was a great one as well.
So we did that in New Orleans as well. So it was a great little trip with Coach O, Joe Burrow, Jay Cutler.
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That hat was awesome, by the way. You said you just woke up 10 minutes ago.
We're in the same clothes that we wore last night. He slept through the Golik and Wingo interview or whatever it was.
Whoops. Kind of on purpose.
Yeah. Banging on my door at 8 8 30 in the morning so i didn't really want to get up it is funny that they they make you do interviews now like you don't you have no obligations like i would be on camera and i would look like crap because i had i would have literally zero sleep yeah and i would be going on camera with these people right look like And look like a fool.
Well, now you're with us and we're just the exact same as you. The podcast.
Right. We're the exact same.
Trust me, we are drunker than you are. Yes.
I can't see my beady little eyes right now. Yeah.
So, dude, you won the national title. Yes.
Yes, we did. That was crazy.
Pretty cool. Were you ever at any point in the game worried? Because you guys did go down.
Yeah, honestly, never. Not even no rah-rah speech? No rah-rah speech.
When we were down 17-7, we didn't even say anything on the sideline. Really? We knew what we had to do.
I mean, that seems like you probably should talk about the plays. I mean, we really didn't say anything to each other.
We just went out there and started playing football. We knew what we had to do.
It was like the second or third play of the game where you rolled out. First play of the game.
First play of the game, you're flushed out of the pocket, and you rolled out to your right, hit a receiver downfield. They called it back.
At that point, I was so mad because it was an awesome play.

Yes, it was.

I don't care if there's a penalty on it.

The play was so awesome that they should have let it stand.

Yeah.

Let us remember that play.

That was a tough one.

First play of the game, and it minus three instead of plus 45.

Yeah.

So that was a tough one.

Well, you also have, like, a thing going right now.

And I'm sure you've recognized it. Maybe you haven't, but, like can do whatever you want, and it ends up being a good play.
Yeah. Like that thing that you did against Oklahoma when you were just running and you just threw the ball.
Just up. You probably won't be able to do that in the NFL as much, but right now you might as well just fucking milk it for all it's worth.
I can just throw it up and let my guys get it. We'll be talking in meetings about like protections and getting the blitzes picked up and i'm really good at that but i also say if i don't get it picked up they still have to tackle me back there yes and they can't do that yes hell yes was there was there a rah-rah speech that coach o gave at halftime no not really I mean we just went, we just went, sat in there, went about our business, drank our water, said these guys can't mess with us, and went back out and played football.
These guys can't mess with us. I actually was more nervous for you guys at the second half when the second half starts, and I was like, if LSU scores seven here, it came over, but Clemson scores, so it's a three-point game.
They get the two-point conversion. No nerves then? No.
Like, hey, if they mess with us, if they're on the same field, they just can't touch us. I mean, yeah.
We were playing with so much confidence right there. I really don't think anybody ever could have stopped us.
I mean, we were just rolling. I mean, I could just throw the ball with my eyes closed.
My receivers were going to go catch it. That's how we felt.
I mean, we were just playing with so much confidence. You guys are the definition of a goddamn machine.
LSU's offense has been a machine this entire year. Just steamrolling everybody.
So it makes sense that you would be confident even after a slow start the first couple drives that you're able to put together if you just do what you did all year leading up to this point. So right now...
Is this question? I got lost in your question. What? I'm so fucked up.
I think we all are. The question just kept on going.
No, I was just talking. It wasn't a question.
I was just speaking. I got lost in it.
Oh, here's a good question. If everyone could see all of our faces right now, they would be...
We're so swollen. You look like a bunch of whales that have just been snorting salt all night.
It died inside of your question. It was like, where are we? I got to roll, man.
I want to go out for real. Here we go.
We'll be in touch. We'll be in touch.
All right, here we go. Ready, Hank? All right.
We now welcome on the man, the myth, the legend. It is our good friend, Coach Ed Ogeron, national champion.
Are you the king of Louisiana now? I think Joe Burrow is. I think you just talked to the king of Louisiana, my friend.
Okay. No, he's the prince.
You're the king.

I'm pretty sure you are the king of the state of Louisiana.

Well, it's been great.

It's been great to be in Louisiana.

I just love this state.

Yeah.

I think it's state law that you cannot legally purchase a beer for the rest of your life.

I think you're going to be paid for and taken care of from now on.

Actually, you know what's going to be interesting is like 18 years from now, you're going to see a lot of college recruits coming into football, coming into NCAA football that are named Ed. Ed has been a name that has kind of dropped off, but I think you're going to see some LSU babies 18 years from now.
That's big. Ed is back.
This is insane. Have you had a second to be like, if they wrote this script about you, they wouldn't make the movie because it would be like, no, he can't actually go to LSU and win.
Like, that's too not believable. Have you had a moment to be like, holy shit, this actually happened? Very thankful.
Very thankful. They couldn't have wrote a better script.
But you know what? You have to be in a place like LSU to do what we're doing, to attract the great athletes, to attract the great coaches. It's the expectation of the school.
Yeah. Have you had a chance to sleep yet? You know what? I slept about three hours last night.
Really? Yeah. I was in bed.
You got a little shut-up. There you go.
Did you put a worm in your mouth before the evening? No worm, man. No worm.
I don't have to do that with this team. They're motivated.
It's crazy. I mean, it's like well-oiled machine.
That was what Joe was saying when he was just talking to me. He said there was no rah-rah speech at halftime.
There was no talking about it. It was like, we're better than them.
We just got to go play our game. Execute.
And, you know, we got to believe in our players, our coaches, and our fundamentals. Unbelievable.
Did you set your jaw last night? I set my jaw several times. Oh, yeah.
I sat it at halftimeime also. It's probably the biggest one that I did.
And I sent a message. For people who don't understand what we're talking about, Coach O punches himself.
Well, it's kind of just a little. Yeah.
That was literally just punching yourself. Just to get things going just a little bit.
Just to remind you. Do you ever get worried that you're going to knock yourself out? No.
Because you're so strong that you can beat yourself up? I kind of pulled away at the end right now. Here's the deal.
You know how you get in a fight, you got a big plan and everything, and all of a sudden the first punch, all bets off, man. Yeah.
Then you kick into another gear. Yes.
And that's what I want our guys to kick into another gear mentally. Yeah, because the way the game started, you know, down early,

the field position was a struggle.

You guys just did unflappable.

It was crazy.

No panic.

Nothing.

You know, when you've got a quarterback like Joe, you believe.

You believe.

And you've got players like we've got and the coaches.

When your offense will score some points, we just have to figure them out. Can we get Joe to get like a master's degree or something? He's going to stay? I'm all for it.
I'm all for it, my man. Get a doctorate.
Did you cry after? What's that? Did you cry after the game? No, I didn't. No, I was good.
A little bit? No, not at all. It hadn't hit yet.
It's going to be emotional. I do believe when we get back to town, Baton Rouge,

see Tiger Stadium.

We always want to come back there 15 and on.

This means a lot when I see that stadium.

People are saying maybe one of the best,

if not the best, champions ever.

You guys beat five of the top eight teams

at the end of the polls.

I think we're in the conversation.

Incredible.

For sure.

Can I be honest?

You look very put together right now, considering what time time it is the day after winning a national title. You obviously got up early, took care of yourself.
We literally rolled out of bed. Sorry, Coach.
We partied harder than you did. I feel bad, Coach.
I feel bad. I'm getting old.
I don't do that stuff. No, I feel bad.
I feel bad, Coach. Oh, when we had Joe on, he told us this was right after the Heisman, Ray Baker.
We've got to talk about Ray Baker. Ray Baker, man.
Ray Baker, great friend of yours. Ray Baker.
You've got to be our friend. You've got to spend time with him.
If you don't spend time with him, he'll bake your ass. So Joe actually told us, I think this was off the air after we're done recording our podcast, but he said that one of the first times he met with you, you asked him, what do you think about Ray Baker? And Joe was like, he's a good player.
He was kind of bullshitting his way through it. And then you walked out of the room, and then he looked at his buddy.
He was like, who's Ray Baker? And he's like, oh, that's what Coach O calls the sun. That big yellow ball in the sky, man.
Those rays in the sky will bake your ass. Yes, they will.
Oh, man. All right, well, I know you've got to get going.
We appreciate it any time. Can we just do Go Tigers like 20 times in a row? You got it, man.
I mean, every time I love. Do you get mad? I get mad when they don't ask, let you say Go Tigers.
That's right. Do you say it when you're walking in the – Like when, okay, so if they're interviewing you at halftime and they don't let you say Go Tigers.
That's right. Do you say it when you're walking in the...
Okay, so if they're interviewing you at halftime and they don't let you have that Go Tigers, do you still say it? Yes, I still say it. Every time.
Okay, good. That's good to know because I always get so upset when it's like, wait, you didn't let him say it.
Put the mic back in front of him. He needs to be able to say Go Tigers.
All right, we got it. Go Tigers.
Go Tigers. There you go.
One last question. Have you figured out what you're going to buy with your millions and millions of dollars that they're going to pay you now? Because if you were going to be a rich man...
Can we negotiate your contract? Contract for life? We'll do it. Y'all need to go talk to AD, but I'm sure LSU will take care of me, and it's not about that.
To be honest with you, I'm going to put it away for my children. Good answer.
We'll get it. We'll get you a contract for life.
You want a contract for life? You guys are the best. You want it? I love it.
We'll get it. Coach for life.
Coach forever. That will be the name.
That will be the head coach forever. We'll be on in front of your door.
All right, Coach O, congrats again. Unbelievable.
So happy for you. Thank you for your friendship.
You guys are phenomenal. Go Tigers.
Go Tigers. And now for something completely different.
Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. Old friend of mine.
Owner of 14 Chicago Bear Records. Which you didn't know until I just told you.
It is Jay Cutler. Mr.
Primetime, Mr. Fourth Quarter.
What other nicknames do you have? Smoke and Jay. Anything else? I think that's it.
The sometimes confused for the bodybuilder. Yeah.
My son actually just found him on the internet and thinks it's the wildest thing he's ever seen in his entire life. So if you don't know what we're talking about, go Google.
Do a Google image search for Jay Cutler, and you will be shocked what comes up first. I want to jump in real quick because Big Cat when he intro'd you

he dropped the F word. The friend word.

Oh yeah. Was that over the line

or are you guys friends? No we're friends. Yeah we're friends.

Yeah we're back together. Yeah we're back.

There was a moment where we weren't together

and now we're back. We just needed it.
You know sometimes you need

some space. Right.
Four years.

Yeah. That's fine.
Yeah exactly.

Although we texted here and there.

Usually I would text Jay and then he

would. Jay does a really good thing.

Good job of making you feel really insecure by not texting you back until like a week later. Like even this, when we're coming to New Orleans, I texted him.
I was like, hey, we're coming to New Orleans. It would be awesome if you got you on the pod.
And then he talked to our friend Steven and was like, yeah, Big Cat texted me. I'm going to give that a few days.
That's a power move, though. And then he texted me like it was like total mid-conversation.
He's like, cool, we should hang out. Yeah, I like that.
It establishes dominance. Yeah.
All right, so. I felt good about it.
Yeah. Where do you want to start? Retirement? You feeling good? Are you officially retired? Yeah yeah i don't yeah yeah yes what so tomorrow i said that because i don't know if you like ever like there's no retirement papers you know like you just you just don't have a job anymore i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure there are retirement papers out there if you're under contract i think you have to fill something out but if you don't have a contract or if you're not on a team it's just it's over yeah i think a lot of people will be interested to know like how this how this bromance began because i honestly i don't really know like what the start of it was how how did you guys meet each other well jay's been was always a long time stoolie and fan of barstool and i actually like no joke like oh a lot to jay because back in the day when we were starting Barstool Chicago, we had no money as a company.
And I remember I said to Dave, we've got to make this shirt. We've got to put the Chicago flag with the stools.
It will sell like hotcakes. And he's like, I don't know.
It was back when shipping shirts took like a month. So I went and had three of them handmade and got them to jay and jay ward at a press conference and that was like our first big moment for barstool chicago yeah i remember whenever barstool was kind of up and rolling and uh you know back then it was more just um you know the written stuff with like a picture video and stuff and you really got to you i feel like you really got to feel like whoever was riding, a video, and stuff.
And you really got to – I feel like you really got to feel whoever was riding, you know, their riding style and stuff. And we would always – even some of the guys, when the big cats started doing it, like, this dude is – this dude's funny.
Like, he gets it. And then I don't know how we found you.
Yeah, I can't remember what the exact connection – I remember I met Chewy in the halftime of a Bears game and gave him the shirts. Yeah.
And then we started hanging out from there. I know, but how did we first track you down? I can't remember exactly...
Oh, that's a good question. Fuck.
Do you guys remember? Yeah. Oh, you do? Who...
Because there was the guy before you. Oh, yeah, Neil.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
He was the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And we brought him to your charity event. That's right, the charity event.
We had to reach out to him. Yes.
When he got canned, and I think me and you started messaging. Yes, because we would do your charity event every year.
Yeah. And then that started.
And it was huge because it's like the starting quarterback for Chicago Bears is wearing our shirt and like a fan of ours. And now, was it Greg Olson who got you into Barstool? Because he claims that.
It could be. Yeah.
I think we found it. I'll give him credit.
We might have found it at kind of similar times. But it was you and Greg, and I'm trying to think there's maybe a couple other, but Ryan Whitney, there's basically three or four guys in the early days who were pro athletes who were like, these guys are funny.
And it was so fucking huge. Yeah.
I mean, you guys took it and just skyrocketed. Yeah.
And then you made a lot of money selling the Cutler shirts and Marlboro cigarettes. Did he ever give you a taste? Did he give you that money? That one got ceased and desisted.
That one got taken down. The Marlboro one.
That was a great shirt. I have one.
Yeah, you have one. I'll give you some more.
I think we did a limited release. We had the Dicca shirt that he wore at press conference.
That was a good one. Yeah.
And then, yeah, we became friends. And we would hang out every evening, probably once a month.
And then I said I would take Andy Dalton over him. I had the flu.
I was doing – this was back when I had to really grind. I remember I was – You're playing her, yeah.
It was Ben Finfer was hosting 8 to 9 p.m. on ESPN 1000.
And they're like, hey, can you come in and... So you're blaming...
No, no, no, no, no. He was like, can you do this? I was like, it was a point in my career where I was like, you don't say no to anything.
You tell me where, I'll be there, I'm doing it. I was so sick.
I pounded two Red Bulls in two day calls. I mean, look at him now.
He just wore jumpsuits and you call the shots. I got him made.
And some caller called in and was like, would you take Dalton or Cutler? And Andy was like five years younger. And I was like, given everything, I'd probably take Dalton right now.
Went home, went to sleep, slept till like noon because I was so sick, woke up. And there was a bunch of text messages being like, hey, Big Cat, way to go, dude.
You're just going to take Dalton over Cutler? Jay never said it. Jay, to his credit, he never was like, fuck you, dude.
It was the rest of his crew that are loyal, and they're like, what's your problem? And that was kind of it for a while. We took a break.
Yeah, we went through a break, and now we're back. But it was always like, I mean, it actually taught me an important it actually taught me an important lesson too because it was tough, I think, for you too.
Like, we were legitimate friends but I also had to talk about the bears and when the bears went through bad times, it was like, I can't. And there were some dark times.
Right. And I had to, and people always said I didn't criticize you at all and I still had to at times and it was like, was a tough relationship to have at like some dark times.

It's a Romeo and Juliet story.

Two star-crossed lovers.

We're back.

We always had a good time together.

Yeah.

That's nice.

I like that.

That's really romantic, guys.

Yeah, it's good to be back.

It's good to be back.

It feels good.

I'll probably be out

in like two years again

but that's fine.

I mean...

It goes in cycles.

It is right, probably.

Any good relationship does though.

You're hot and you're cold.

Yeah, right.

You have to enjoy the ups when they're up. You're right.
Did you like the smoking Jay Cutler stuff? I didn't mind it. We never...
I don't think we ever really told anyone to stop doing it. People have sold stuff and there's things everywhere.
And we never really went after anybody. And you leaned into it with the picture that I took at your 30th birthday party where he was dressed up like a, it was an 80s themed party, right? And that was like, he leaned into it by posting, he posted a picture of him fake smoking a cigarette.
And like the internet went wild for it. It was a funny meme.
I mean, your face is perfect for people. There are a lot of people who think you actually do like smoke two packs a day.
I know. Have you ever smoked? No all really no i've ever shopped a cigarette into your ass and that in the naked picture that got put online it's very funny why'd you do that because i got i got the caption at j butler and everyone thought that was funny that's pretty good people laughed at that some people did fucking good i don't think i don't know okay you write your caption for your ass huh that's see that's not my thing though.
But I don't... See, I'm better at writing captions for your own ass than you are.
That's not an athletic event. That's probably...
Yeah, that's probably true. Yeah, you don't know.
The Olympics are hurting for events. Are they? You might add that.
Like, captions. Fuck Jerry.
I do want to get a team together for the Olympics. They have...
I think it's handballball but it's basically like a little ball that you throw around and then throw into a goal so it's like soccer yes indoor soccer with a ball that you throw oh you should play that you'd be a very good handball player that would be so sick if you started if you like there's there's a u.s team but like i want to go and do that yes you should just throwing missiles i think if it Fuck. I think if it was you, Patrick Mahomes, and LeBron,

just how many players play in handball?

Like eight a single time?

So if it was you three against eight players from any other country,

I think we win.

I guarantee we can put a team together that can win gold.

Yes.

Guaranteed.

I would absolutely agree with that.

Yeah, just from pure arm speed.

I don't think the guys in other countries and

just a really big guy is a goalie back right if you watch it i mean i've studied this from time to time it sounds like you're ready to go if you watch it usually all these teams like have an old guy that plays goalie that's just like he literally if someone's coming he just like just guesses and just throws his hand yeah sometimes hits the ball sometimes doesn. Alright, so you're in for that.
Okay, let's do... We're doing chronological, so let's go to the Super Bowl.
Super Bowl, also something that feels like a million years ago in Miami. Whoa, Miami, yeah.
Fuck. Is Miami, it was like the week before the Penn deal got announced.
It was right before the pandemic got announced.

Right before we sold out.

Right before the pandemic got announced.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So people were eating bats across the world without even a second thought.

We were just happy-go-lucky, regular people.

Yep.

So we have George Kittle, who played in the Super Bowl, David Baker, the man, the myth,

the legend from the Hall of Fame, and Baker Mayfield. Ooh, that's kind of funny, huh? Oh, yeah.
David Baker Mayfield. I like that.
David Baker, the man, the myth, the legend from the Hall of Fame and Baker Mayfield. Ooh, that's kind of funny, huh? David Baker Mayfield.
I like that. David Baker Mayfield.
Anything? So yeah, we're not going to the Super Bowl this year, right? I don't think so. Well, unless if the Bears go to the Super Bowl, or the Bills or the Washington football team, then we're probably going to go.
But it's going to be weird. It's going to be weird not going to the Super Bowl.
It's going to be strange. But it's also probably for the best.
Yeah, dude, that's going to be an awesome week of relative rest and relaxation compared to what we normally do that week. That's true.
That is true. All right, so what we normally do that week is a ton of interviews.
So here it is. George Kittle, David Baker, Mayfield.
Look at that combo. My biggest question to you is who is under more pressure? You or your dad? Because your dad sends you a letter before every game.
Kind of a try-hard move. This is the most important letter of his life.
How do you send a Super Bowl letter? What do you write in a Super Bowl letter? That's his Super Bowl. Yeah.
It is. Has he already started it? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What are you expecting in this letter? All right, so put in perspective, on like a normal game day letter, that's like three to five pages. That's so long.
That's so long. With pictures? Double font? No, it's a big font.
He throws a lot of pictures in there. It's a pop-up.
Yeah. He folds it open and pops it open.
NFC Championship game was 10 pages.

Oh, my God.

It was like a full 10.

It's like Dickens.

Dude, it was thick.

And so now it's the Super Bowl.

I'm expecting like 15 pages minimum.

And what time is he going to give it to you?

I get it the night before the game.

All right, because I was going to say, I would definitely fall asleep halfway through.

I don't read it until I get to the stadium, though.

Oh.

Yeah.

So are you prepping that? Are you telling everyone like, hey, coach, I'm going to need a little extra prep time because dad's going to give me, like, Moby Dick before this game. I might get on the early, early bus.
Yeah, right. Yeah, I got to give myself an extra 30 minutes.
It would be more powerful if he just wrote you, like, one line for this game. Just said, like, don't screw this up.
You're always a you're always out the club no like you're always a champion in my eyes yeah if you lose you're out of the family oh i don't know if you go that route i like the other one you said though just don't screw this up yeah no after i'll throw him out of the club yeah throw him out of the club so what are you expecting in this like is he gonna make you cry yeah is that his goal like no i would assume that it wouldn't be good for you to cry before the Super Bowl.

It's like one of those checklists I have before I go on in the field.

I do this.

It's part of my routine.

The letters just consist of whether it's family memories

or movies that we used to watch as a kid when I was growing up.

Oh, he's going to make you cry.

Oh, he's going to kill me.

Oh, he's going to make you cry.

He pulled a quote from Hildago, which was a movie.

Do you remember the Viggo Mortensen movie with the horse racing?

He pulled a quote from that. I was like, dude, come on, man.
I watched that when I was like 10. Relax.
You're going to make you cry. He pulled a quote from Hildago, which was a movie.
Do you remember the Viggo Mortensen movie with the horse racing? He pulled a quote from that. I was like, dude, come on, man.
I watched that when I was like 10. You're going to make me cry.
So what else is on the checklist before a game? You read the letter from your dad. What do you do to mentally and physically? Do you have anything else weird that you do? If you honestly want to know, so as soon as we come back in from warm-ups, I go puke.
Really? 100%. Before every game? Every game.
That probably makes you feel a little bit better. It does make you feel better.
Yeah, I always think, I'm like, all right, I'm going to step faster now. That's my positive mindset.
And then as soon as we're walking out, I put my helmet on and I headbutt a wall almost as hard as I can. It's good.
You have that in the right order. You put the helmet on first.
Yeah. So I learned that the first hit is always, like, hurts the most.
So get it out of the way. And then there's no first hit.
Yeah, I always felt that way. That's smart.
Playing any sort of contact sport, all the fear and apprehension you have kind of goes out the window the first time you get hit because your mind doesn't have time to worry about other stuff. You can just get out of the way.
Exactly. Well, just a heads up, you've never played in the Super Bowl.
Neither have we, but we've watched all of them. It goes really fast.
Does it? People say the speed is crazy in the Super Bowl. So be ready for the speed.
Have you played in the Super Bowl on Madden? Oh, dear. Not since probably like 2008.
Maybe that's what you do. Maybe you get like a PlayStation in your hotel room and simulate, like, sit down and play a few games just to get used to that game speed.
The game speed and the fans and and all that yeah the loneliness of the stadium yeah it's going to be different picture it i just heard you say you just dropped an oh dear and you kind of slipped into the todd and gordo i know you're a big fan you think that you're canadian sometimes we've heard that from some of your teammates i think there was an article in the ringer that said like sometimes he actually does believe that he's canadian yes um yeah so as todd and gordo in in your presence i'd like to maybe perhaps like trade trade off our services we have an idea of maybe something we could do to help you and then i don't think cat wants to explain that then i have a request from you yeah we're gonna so much like your dad writes you an entire book before every single uh game you as a fan of todd and gordo we haven't

done todd and gordo light in like two and a half years yeah i've been pretty disappointed so and

i told you this probably three weeks ago i was like if you get to the super bowl we will make

a todd and gordo hype video why do you think i was playing so hard yeah so wait so should we not

release it till after the super bowl phase two no release the second one okay all right

after the super bowl okay hype video before the super bowl we're gonna make a special

I'm going to go a special edition Todd and Gordo, like, one-minute Instagram hype video that you're going to release on your Instagram. Oh, I'm in.
On, like, Friday or Saturday. I'm in.
And it's going to get everyone pumped up. It's easy.
Okay. So as our payment for that, what's your bonus if you win the Super Bowl? I don't.
There's no chance that Greg actually even.

You probably don't even have access to your own bank account.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Partial.

Yeah, I was going to say.

Yeah, no, I do that stuff.

So I was going to say we either get 50%. No big deal.

Just maybe 50% to 60% of your Super Bowl bonus.

Okay.

Or if you win Super Bowl MVP, you get a Todd and Gordo tattoo. Oh.
Oh. Do you have tattoos? If we inspire you to.
Yeah, I'm not a tattoo. Okay.
Yeah, so then that's no problem. No, no, no.
I like the tattoo. Can we just do both? Yes.
Yeah, sure. Perfect.
You drive a hard bargain. Yeah, you really are a negotiator.
Wait, do you negotiate contracts like Richard Sherman? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay.
I'll pay someone to do that. That's probably for the best.
What about the reset button that you have on your arm? The Joker? Yeah, yeah. No, no.
Isn't the, what was the article said that he... In that same article, you have a reset button that you hit.
Oh, it is the Joker. It is the Joker.
You hit that? I used to have a wrist tape on and I'd put a big red button on it in college. So I'd slap it.
I've been a visualized guy. Yeah, yeah.
So you don't do that anymore? You don't have the, you just do the Joker? Joker. Boom.
Reset yourself. I just want to really quickly go back to how the actual selection goes down, because I think it's fascinating.
So you guys are all in a room. It's 50 people, right? 48.
48. Elite selectors.
Elite selectors. And you have people come up, make the case, so you whittle it down from a pool of how many to? Generally every year.
This is a different because it's a centennial year and we're having 20 for 2020. But most years it'll be 18 finalists.
Generally that's a senior and contributors that make up three. And then it is players and coaches who make up the other 15 finalists.
Right. And the seniors and coaches kind of go out on their own.
And then when we get to that 15, you go from 15 to 10, and then you kind of whittle it down to five. And now what is that room like? Are people arguing? Is it the greatest sports debate of all time? Is Peter King complaining about the coffee? Yeah, it seems like a fascinating place to be in.
Well, listen, we've learned a long time ago the way to get elite media there is food. Yes.
Okay, so I mean. Diet Coke.
We have cookies for you guys here today. Appreciate that.
I noticed that. But no, I think it's one of those things, PFT, where Peter King told me that he does 120 interviews all year round just to prepare for that one day.
And we've got guys like John Clayton and Sal Palantonio and Jarrett Bell from USA Today. And these guys take it.
I wish fans could see how seriously they take it. And most of them say that it's the most important day of their year.
Well, knowing how much NFL fans love the NFL, I think we should probably put it in the middle of April and make it a TV show. Well, listen, we had to watch it.
It's like the New York Times endorsement where they had the whole editorial board sit down and they put it out. That would make a very good TV show.
I'll watch the whole day. Well, I'll tell you, there's things that we're looking at in the future that might be a little bit different.
But I will tell you, these guys, you know, I didn't get this job just because I'm smart and good looking. I got it to them, 400 pounds, and you need a big guy to run this meeting.
No one's going to give you any back talk. You literally have the best knock of all time.
I think that was really just the resume, right? Well, they just took a piece of wood, and they're like, here, knock on this. Do you mind knocking on this table right now? Absolutely.
Oh, my God. Yeah, that's a Hall of Fame knock right there.
Yeah, that's why you got the job. Okay, yeah.
But, you know, let me tell you, we've got to be done by a certain time because we announce our guys live to the world, really in the middle, kind of the high point of the honor show. Right.
And so we've got to move. But it'll take, you know, many times that I've been here, it's taken 10, 12 hours.
For the Blue Ribbon Committee that selected this centennial class, you know, they met together for about 21 hours. Wow.
And guys are passionate about it. And one of the things I'd love for, I can't share what goes on in that room or what's said, but I can tell you that good stuff, bad stuff.
Right. I mean, the guys really get into it.
You have to have an honest conversation. And that's why it's confidential, so that guys can share stuff and bounce it off.
But I do think it's when you make it into the Hall of Fame, you have gone under an incredible level of scrutiny by a whole lot of people who are experts at doing it. Yes.
What's interesting is that you've got the centennial people that are getting in right now. You expanded the class a little bit.
I think as the years move forward, you're going to run into a lot of log jams along the way because of how the game has grown in the media. It's expanded so much that people are more, way more familiar with players that played in, you know, the early two thousands, late two thousands up to the modern day.
Then they were even with guys that played in the mid nineties. Those guys are, you know, since TV rights weren't ubiquitous, they weren't everywhere.
You couldn't watch them on every single bar. Those guys are in danger of kind of falling by the wayside, even though they had great careers.
Is there something that you guys have planned going forward where you make sure that there are some spots in perpetuity for the older players? PFT, that's really what the Centennial class was about. You know, I mean, this year we have 10 seniors in that class.
And you may not know Max Speedy or Bobby Dillon or Duke Slater. You Duke Slater was an African-American who played for 10 years in the NFL from 1920 to 1930.
Let me tell you, you better be a good player at that time to play in the NFL during that time. A great player.
And so we have our senior committee, and our senior committee meets all by itself a lot of time, and it's to find guys who may have fallen between the cracks. Right.
And then we have our contributors committee because the league isn't just those guys who are on the field. It's those guys who were owners who paid for payroll out of their kids' college fund because they had to make it, or those general managers who put these teams together, or a great guy like Steve Sable.
I mean, you guys are a little young. No, no, he was a big part of the reason why we got in the game.
I'll tell you, I fell in love with this because of Steve Sable. It wasn't just the score.
All of a sudden, it was the frozen tundra of Land Rofield and that cloud of grass coming out of your face mask in a horrible year way. To me, that showed you the determination and courage and the character of things.
And then we're looking at a special category just for coaches because sometimes, you know, for a lot of modern era guys, and one of the things the Hall of Fame does that's pretty cool is you've got to wait five years after you retire to be considered so if tom brady or drew breeze uh you know was to retire now um or eli manning retired just the other day there's five years from now before he's eligible for the pro football hall of fame and i think that's a pretty smart move because it gives perspective it allows time for history to settle and to to go into it but it's a very difficult process. It is, you know, with so many media outlets like yourself with, you know, the cell phone and, you know, Brett Favre on the Internet, it is – there's an opinion everywhere.
Right. And it's extremely controversial.
But what I would say is it should be hard to make it into the Hall of Fame. Yeah, absolutely.
It's not the Hall of Very, Very Good. It's the Hall of Fame.
People forget that. I love it.
I want to be your position. I want to be the president of the Hall of Very Good.
What steps do you recommend I take to achieve that dream? You know what, PFT, I'll tell you, you know, you, to me, and I've only known you here for maybe 20 minutes,

but I would tell you, you excel at mediocrity.

Whoa.

That's nice.

That is the nicest compliment I've ever gotten in my life.

Not everyone can do that.

I got butterflies in my stomach.

You're on your way.

That's incredible.

You're on your way.

Can we talk about you for a second?

I'm going to knock on my own door.

Congratulations, PFT.

Thank you, PFT.

You didn't play football because you were, quote, literally too big to play football. Yeah.
What does that mean? You were a great basketball player. You played in college.
You played in pros. Where I grew up, they weighed you to play football as a kid.
Okay. Okay.
And when I was 8 or 10 years old, I was about PFT side. So like 6'1", 8-ft side and uh and they would have put me in with you know with 15 year olds right um but i we kind of corrected this in the next generation with both my kids right you know sam played in the nfl and he was a three-time all-american assie and ben played both in high school and summit at Duke.
But I've always loved football the most. Yeah, I love that about you.
Basketball got me to college. And for me, it's important because we all come from someplace.
For me, my mom and dad couldn't read or write. And if it wasn't for sports, I wouldn't have gone to college, I wouldn't have gone to law school, had the opportunity to play around the world.
And I certainly wouldn't be sitting with guys like you here. Which is probably a downgrade, yep.
No, we're sitting in a pretty special place. I love that story, though, because you are the guy who's basically in charge of the history of the game.
You're the president and CEO of the Hall of Fame. And you love football, from everything I've read, more than pretty much anyone who's ever walked this earth.
And you didn't play. But that almost is poetic and perfect because that's how much you love it.
That's kind, and I appreciate it. I do love it.
And, again, what I love about sports, and this may be a serious topic for you guys, but I'll tell you what I care about it is there are so many lessons you can learn from sports. My guys on the Pro Football Hall of Fame, in terms of race, they were way ahead of the curve.
And they care about each other, and they love each other. We just lost Cristola last night, and you should see my phone blowing up from the Hall of Famers.
And there's something about that huddle. When I was cheering for my son at USC and we'd go to Notre Dame, we'd take 15,000 Trojans with us.
But let me tell you, you go to Lambeau Field and you're in Atlanta Falcon, you're lucky if there's 50 Falcon fans in there. But you get into that huddle, and when you get in the huddle, nobody says, hey, you Republican are a Democrat.
Right. Hey, before we do this, you know, what's your position on social change? Right.
You know, frankly, the only thing that matters is me trusting you, you trusting me, the color of our uniform, not the color of our skin. Yeah.
And that is just one thin sliver of this. Right.
And what I love about this, and again, I'm probably getting way too serious for you guys. No, I love that.
But what I love about this and the job I get to do is, yeah, I got the greatest job in the world because I'm hanging with some of the best football players in the world. But I've learned that there are pretty good people too.
And the game isn't just for those guys who have a bronze bust or those guys who got paid for it like my son. The game is for guys who become firemen and soldiers and police officers and fathers.
And I believe these principals and a whole lot of dedicated coaches who taught them. My son who played in the NFL is now coaching high school,

and he doesn't need to.

He made a lot of money standing on the shoulders of these other guys,

and he'd be the first one to say it.

But what he wants to do, he wants to have an impact in the lives of some kids

the way other coaches had an impact on him.

And respectfully, when your life is screwed up,

and every one of us are at some point, okay,

when your life is screwed up, you don't go back to your chemistry teacher, your calculus teacher for life advice. But I'll tell you, almost all of us go back to that coach.
Yeah. And I really believe, Big Cat, that it's because that coach teaches you how to keep going when you don't think you can or how to get up when you can't.
So I love this because there's so – it's great football, and, man, I love football. But I don't love it as much as John Madden does or some of the other guys that I've been with.
I mean, I'll tell you, Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick was on our Blue Ribbon Committee, okay, and he said it was one of the best days of his career.
This guy with eight rings, you know, talking about, you know, being at the Hall of Fame on that day, making history by selecting the Centennial class. These guys love the game.
Right. And to me, it's a fun game to be with your friends, to scream and yell, to cheer for your team, to drink a beer.
But there are so many wonderful lessons in it. And it's done a lot for me.
Sports has done a lot for me. It's done a lot for my two boys.
Right. And I hope that I and we can give back to it.
And now for something completely different. I noticed that you're going on Get Up tomorrow morning.
Uh-oh. It's a good cast tomorrow morning, yeah.
A lot of people that really like me yeah so especially rex ryan yeah on get up tomorrow uh you think he's gonna wear orange and brown he probably will to try to like diffuse the situation a little bit but don't fall for that nope no don't fall for it can i give you like some things that you can use i would love to you're a quick guy so i'm sure that you've you're going to be prepared going into it uh if uh he starts talking about your season, say, I'd say that you really put your foot in your

mouth. You're a quick guy, so I'm sure that you're going to be prepared going into it.
If he starts talking about your season, say,

I'd say that you really put your foot in your mouth,

but you'd probably enjoy that.

Got him.

Boom roasted.

I don't think you can come back from that.

No.

If you say that, it's over.

You just walk off.

You can just walk off like it's an N1 mixtape.

Yeah.

Show's over.

That's a good one. A little more.
That was my was my best material. I think that's all I need.
The problem that I had was the willingness and commitment to continue talking to people that didn't matter. That was my biggest issue.
And I know people talked about the chip on your shoulder, and I said it a million times. In the league, they don't care about a chip on your shoulder it's grown men what did you what did you learn about the dynamics of the NFL that you couldn't translate that kind of MO from college it's a humbling experience it's a different ball game yeah I mean I let's just be honest I put my foot in my mouth a lot this past year yeah you just tell them you're not even the best coach in your family.
Yeah. Like Rob is a better coach.
And he's a better looking guy. He's got better hair.
Yeah. Absolutely the better hair part.
You can also do just the casual, hey, Rex, it looks like you lost weight, knowing he didn't. So it's like, what the hell? Like I'm still really fat.
Like that's a great one. That always hurts my feelings when people say that to me and I haven't lost weight.

You do look good though.

Thank you.

That hurt my feelings.

I've had a bad,

I'm dealing with a bad picture right now of my right breast that has been going around the internet.

Whatever.

It's,

you know,

bad timing.

Shadows,

everything.

Like,

it's a whole thing.

A lighting,

yeah.

Right.

And he did get off a plane like two days ago.

So again,

the opposite.

Right.

Right.

Okay.

Moving along in the calendar.

Come on. Yeah, right.
And he did get off a plane like two days ago. So again, the opposite.
Right. Right.

Okay.

Moving along in the calendar.

Combine.

Indy.

Another thing we'll probably miss this year.

Sucks.

Yeah.

I mean, the combine, I think they're just going to hold it remotely.

This is going to be a great season for lying about your height.

If you're a player.

Oh, yeah.

You can get away with murder.

Yes.

And also just like doing the frozen face.

If they ask you something like, hey, is your mom a stripper? Yeah. And you're just like, what? You cut out.
Was it Jeff Ireland? Hey, Des Bryant, your mom's a hooker, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, but yeah, the combine's going to be really strange this year.
I think it's going to be all done on Zoom, but if you were to put money on it, I would put money that the coaches are still going to go to Indy and just get drunk for a week. Yes, absolutely.
That's really what it disney world for scouts yeah they absolutely they probably like tell their wives and kids like you got to get out of the house because i'm just going to treat this like it is uh uh what is it what are the prime 57 and st elmo's st elmo's he's gonna be doing rails of wasabi so all right so we have adam schefter was the assault. It was the first time we'd seen him since the assault.

And then we have Mike Vrabel talking to him about the combine,

the playoff run the Titans had, and a lot more.

Before we get to that, though, PFT, you got something?

Yeah, I do.

I want everybody out there, if you can hear my voice,

I want you to be safe this holiday season.

I want you to get home safe.

I want you to be able to drive around without getting in trouble with the law. I want everybody to be safe this holiday season.
I want you to get home safe. I want you to be able to drive around without getting in trouble with the law.
I want everybody to be happy this holiday season. If you're on break, just remember that law enforcement is out from December 16th, 2020 through January 1st, 2021.
They're increasing enforcement on impaired drivers. This is coming to you guys from NHTSA.
That's the National Highway Transportation Security Administration. They want you guys to know that you need to drive sober or you're going to get pulled over.
Don't want anybody to be out there driving different. If you feel different, you drive different.
If you drive high, you get a DUI. It's 2020, turning into 2021.
Don't start the new year off on the wrong foot. I need you guys to call a cab, call an Uber, call a Lyft, get a sober driver, or just don't drink if you're going to be behind the wheel because you could hurt yourself, you could hurt somebody else, and you could also get in trouble with the law.
And there'll be some consequences to that if you plan on doing things down the line, I don't know, needing a security clearance for anything, or if you want to travel to Canada, if you feel different, you drive different. If you drive high, you're going to get a DUI.
So drive sober or get pulled over. I can't emphasize this enough.
We want you guys to be safe. We want everybody to be happy.
We want you guys to enjoy yourself if you're partying, but don't get behind the wheel of a car. Do us a favor.
get a sober ride. Do a sober ride.
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Assault.

Assault. We're off.

Assault.

I figured we'd start there.

I mean, it's been on my mind.

I was actually thinking about this before you got here.

If I could sit down and talk to anyone regarding that situation, I wouldn't talk to Miles Garrett.

I wouldn't talk to Mason Rudolph and say, hey, how'd that feel?

Not the Pounceys, not Baker.

I don't talk to Miles Garrett. I wouldn't talk to Mason Rudolph and say, hey, how'd that feel? Not the Pounceys, not Baker.
I just want to know Adam Schefter, assault. What was it that night? Battery.
It was battery. It was battery.
The reason why, because it's actual harm. Were you as upset as you watched that as the assault tweet made me think you were? No.
Basically, you're watching it, and the only thing I could think of is he just assaulted that guy. He assaulted him.
Assault. It's assault.
Wait, wait. Can you say that again? Perfect.
He assaulted him. No, no, no.
That's the way you just said it. With a little animation.
Assault. Assault.
Assault. It was assault.
Assault. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're going to beep that in. Okay, yeah.
Absolutely. You got it.
You got it. We got it.
We got in. Absolutely.
You got it. We got that idea later.
Did you think after, I think the period is what really said it over the top too. Assault, period.
Just something about it. That tweet might be my favorite tweet from 2019.
You know, the funny thing is I haven't seen it show up anywhere since then. Like nobody's tweeted it at me.
You guys haven't reminded me of it. This is the first time that anybody's brought that up since then.
It is great. You can apply the tweet assault to just about anything that happens online.
Anytime someone dunks on Ravel, assault is just a great reply to it. It's like something you always need to have in your back pocket to pull up.
And credit to you, I think that five years ago, Adam Schefter probably wouldn't have had fun with it, but you did right away. You kind of took the piss out of it, which is great because then it makes it funnier where it's like, yeah, it's assault.
Well, again, I've been through this enough to know that it's not going to go away, that it's going to follow me around. And so now we'll just have to come up with something again in the future, whatever that may be.
to supplant assault. Yeah, it'll happen naturally at some point.
Organically. In the aftermath of the assault.
Yeah. I personally.
It's going to be like the meow game in Super Troopers. See how many times we can say it.
But after the assault, I was very well connected in certain league circles. And I heard that there were rumors that there may have been some tapes out there.
You're a big the tapes exist guy. Oh, we'll get to that.
We'll get to that again in a second. But did you also hear the same rumors that there were tapes of what was said on the field just prior to the assault? I've never heard anything like that.
I've never heard the tapes. I don't know that those tapes exist.
And there are a wide array of opinions about what did and didn't happen that night. And I don't think we'll ever know what did and didn't happen.
I mean, it's amazing to me that Miles Garrett says this, says he heard it, and Mason Rudolph is vehement in his denials, and he's defended by his coach, and you've got people sticking up for him. So who's right? Right.
Now, so in terms of Miles Garrett going forward. I can't believe we're still doing Miles Garrett and Mason Rudolph and this whole assault thing.
It was assault. It was quite a night.
I'm so glad I didn't go to bed before that. Well, that's the funny thing is I actually did.
Oh. So you woke up and that was the first thing you thought.
I'm so glad I didn't go to bed before that. That's the funny thing is, I actually did.
Oh, so you woke up and that was the first thing you thought. Dad even makes it better.
I see it and I go, that's assault. That's assault.
You're like one of those precogs in Minority Report. You were asleep in your pool.
You're like, wait, there's a crime that's about to happen. You're dozing off.
I was dozing off. I was watching it.
There's a TV in my closet. And my wife.
What? Yeah, this is true. So basically, while she watches her show, I go into my little closet with a little TV.
And I watch Thursday Night Football. And oftentimes, to be perfectly frank, I'll be sitting in my chair.
And I'm watching the screen. And I just kind of doze off.
And I happen to doze off. And I woke up and I'm like, what the heck just happened? So you were watching this in your closet in a tiny TV, woke up, assault.
Assault. That's awesome.
That's so much better. That adds so much color to the story.
Yeah, and it's also like, this is obviously going to be something that's not relatable to the wider audience, but in terms of content creators, there's nothing worse than when you wake up and something big has happened, and you're like, wait, what? I slept through Kevin Ware's leg injury. I literally took a nap during it and woke up.
Oh my God, are you okay? I'm not okay, but time froze. I woke up, I was like, why is there no time? Why has there only been 30 seconds that have gone by and I've been asleep for 30 minutes? And then I realized Kevin Ware, the but that is the worst feeling waking up and be like what just happened you're like jolted awake yeah right that's that's that's a sensory assault right exactly that's a big time sensory people live life on the west coast as they wake up and it's noon on the east coast and they've already missed who knows how many examples of assault on that's that's one of the challenging parts of being on the west coast like either you're getting up late like you can't even imagine like the world is going on right stock markets crashed you would freak if you live on the west coast well it'd be a different deal like you'd be you'd be freaking yeah i don't know i could live there no you would you would be freaking yeah we were lucky enough that i uh had bet the second half of that game so that's why we were still watching and i was like oh my god, they could still score a backdoor cover or something.
And then assault happened. You just mentioned something that I want to do a follow-up question.
What's your favorite Real Housewives? Well, I watched the New York one. I watched New Jersey.
Do you like Bethany? I do like Bethany. I don't like you then.
You don't like her? got divorced from the Count, and she still calls herself a Countess. No, that's not Bethany.
Oh, sorry. Bethany is a skinny margarita girl.
Yeah, exactly. Luann.
Do you like Luann? Sorry, that's what I meant. I just tip my hands.
I think Luann likes herself a lot more. All right.
So you're New York and New Jersey. That's kind of me.
Sometimes throwing a little OC, but they're firing all the women out there So it's going to be weird New Jersey, New York, yeah Bethany, the guy she got divorced from on TV He seemed like the nicest guy in the world Yeah, they don't, I mean That's crazy that a reality television show Didn't really show the person's true personality One way or the other I can't believe it's not all legit It's Everything that happens in the real world, it's real. That's why they call it the real world.
I don't know about that guy, but the five minutes I saw him in a heavily edited program, I think he was a good guy. Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest and very good friend of the program.
It is Coach. I call him Coach.
It's like Braves. He gets mad when I call him Coach.
It's like Eli Manning. I was like, congrats, man.
What a career. Unbelievable.
Phenomenal. He's like, thank you, Coach.
And I'm like, Eli, cut the bullshit. That's nice, though.
Can we just go with Braves? He goes, yes, sir. That's a very Eli story right there.
Are you mad at Eli at all about the Super Bowls? No. I mean, that's sports.
That team got better. You know, that's a great example of a team that was a wild card that played us very tight at the end of the year, the last game, and they improved.
To their credit, they were playing the best football at the end of the year. It's a great message to not only my team, but a lot of people.
Is he a Hall of Famer? You know, I don't vote for the Hall of Fame, but I mean, I really try not to focus on Hall of Fame and this and that. The guy played really well in big games.
Okay, so he is. Yes.
Or he isn't. But he played very well in big games.
So he is. I mean, if you guys got to vote, would you vote, Eli? Yes.
Well, it's not the Hall of Very Good, and he was very great at times. Don't hide behind those glasses.
You want me to go raw dog with this interview? No, don't do that. I love that.
Do not do that. We'll all blow up.
Come on, Fraves. All right.
I like that you're committed to the vest game, by the way. Love it.
Stay vested up. Team issue.
That's it. Team-ish.
Talking about the Giants, your team obviously didn't get all the way to the Super Bowl, but there was a little bit of that peaking at the right time last year. Were you, after the season over, could you have a moment where you're like, man, that was really good like we it was and I tried to tell our team that I think they were frustrated and everybody was disappointed that we weren't going to be able to play for a championship but I was proud of the way that they continue to improve from where we were the early part of the season and we did we were playing our best football late but I think they also realized and I and everybody did that that's a tough road to go down a four straight road road playoff games is essentially what we did was Houston, New England, Baltimore, Kansas City and that's not the way that's not the recipe to to win a championship we're gonna have to play well enough during the season to be able to host some of those games.
Yeah so during the start of of that playoff run, you guys play against New England. That was a great game.
Before the game, you played, what was it, Catch Me If You Can? Like a clip as like a motivational. So I always enjoy that movie with Frank Abagnale Jr.
And the dad, you know, is in debt and he needs to get a loan. And he pulls his son up in his Cadillac.
And they're in these nice suits. And young Frank doesn't understand what they're doing.
And his dad's like, we're going to act like we have money. And this bank manager is going to walk out here and he's going to open the door for us.
And Frank's still figuring all this out. And then he says, you know why the Yankees always win? He said, because they have Mickey Mantle.
He says, no, because everybody's always staring at the pinstripes.

And I kind of like it.

It's just a nice message to be like, when we get there and we go out on the field,

there's going to be six banners that say world champion.

Boom, boom, boom.

That's not going to determine the game was my only point was like,

let's not stare up at the banners and worry about what they've done.

We got to go try to compete with them. That's like Hoosiers measuring the hoop.
No 10 feet same thing ollie getting on the shoulders 10 feet all-time moment i almost want to go call my dad and yeah cry right yeah let's do it you probably knew all the tricks that belichick was going to pull out like putting the uh the giant thermometers in the hallways letting you know that it's actually like 10 degrees colder than you think that it is i'm just keeping everybody on the weather report. Yeah.
All right, so let's talk about the tricks when you guys, when you basically became a time traveler in that game. How long had you known that that loophole was there? For a while.
It's just unfortunate that we were never in a situation to use it. You have to be ahead in the fourth quarter in that situation with the clock running outside of five minutes.
And whatever the league chooses to do, we're going to play by the rules that they give us. And that was available to us.
When you saw the situation and it first clicked like, uh-oh, here we go. Like, I'm about to time travel.
Well, I think you just try to— Especially to Belichick. I think what you try to do is try to anticipate what the situations in the game can be.
You were excited. Don't give me coach speak.
Well, no, I'm just trying to say like, it's not like spur of the moment. It's like, okay, depending on what happens here, like, are we going to go for it? And then we had a penalty.
So it was like, you did the Rainbow Road shortcut. You just jumped past like, you know, half of the track.
Right. It was like it's a perfect storm you did the rainbow road shortcut you just jumped past like you know half of the track right it was it's it's something that we felt like could help us win the game as coach speak as i could possibly be whether whoever was on the other sideline we would have executed that situation in that moment though as it was happening as you were time traveling were you trying hard not to smile because you knew how cool it was no i mean i think that I think that I've realized I've gotten good at being able to vomit and puke in my mouth without showing when bad things happen.
So I try to do the same thing when good things happen. It's just try to stay, keep my composure.
Okay. So after the game, after that game, you had some fun with Tom Brady's hyenas video.
Do you think that's going to hurt your recruitment of him? thought that was actually a great compliment uh to our football team nice because that's who i think we want to be is is these animals that that hunt and travel in packs and um are competitive um vicious and i think that's how we um try to approach our our our preparation. All right.
Well, so we just did Adam Schefter and Mike Vrabel. What happened after the combine? Well, shit kind of fell apart.
I remember vividly, too, watching the last game I watched that I can remember is Wisconsin versus Indiana. Wisconsin winning a share of the Big Ten and being like, I can't wait for the tournament.
And then all the tournaments were cancelled. Well, no.
Gonzaga won. Gonzaga won their tournament.
That happened. Duke lost.
Duke did not qualify for the NCAA tournament. There's a couple other tournaments I think that actually took place.
I think they played one game in the Big East. Yeah, I went to that one.
No, one half. One half of a game.
No, they played one full game. The second round, they played one game in the big east yeah right i went to that one yeah one half one half of a game they played one full game the second round they played one half yeah st i think it was st john's and georgetown were like fuck it we're playing yeah chris mullen was out there like i will punch the coronavirus in the face if i see it florida state counted themselves as a win yeah actually they played a round of the acc as well because i'm pretty sure NC, UNC lost and I had a future on them.

And then it's like, couldn't they have just not played? Yeah. And then the world just stopped all of a sudden.
And I said, I would inject myself with COVID, but whatever. We'll put that clip in there.
PFT. I'm going to say something that I may at some point regret, but I'm going to say it anyway.
Permission to go there. Granted.
If they cancel and they, I don't even know who decides this.

They.

Big time they.

Obama.

Big they.

If they. shouldn't go there granted if they cancel and they i don't even know who decides this they big time they obama big they if they cancel march madness i'm not talking about play it with no fans which would make it significantly uh less fun but still we can watch it if they cancel it outright cancel it i will get coronavirus the next day wow i will get coronavirus because i do not want to be healthy in a world where march madness does not exist yeah it happened when we get the uh the the uh vaccine i will take it right away i'll do it on we'll do a live stream of us taking that would technically count as injecting yourself with coronavirus right if you got the one that is the live version of the vaccine.
I will get every single one. Collect them all, like Pokemon? Yeah, we'll do it on live stream so that the public knows that it's okay to get the vaccine.
Yeah. We'll do that.
We'll do that for the people. That means that we get to skip to the front of the line.
Correct. We're essential.
That's just a coincidence. We did not plan that.
I did have a moment where I was like, are we essential? No. Okay.
I think podcasters are the most essential business in the world. One second.
One second. Us first and then the people who actually make the vaccine.
We should get it before them. I was like, wait, we're not hospital workers.
We're not frontline workers. But are we essential? In a way, we are on the frontline.
Yeah. I mean, we are the – they're our first responders right now we're listening to this podcast i mean we we are second respond we make the economy go right with the amount of seamless that we order yes absolutely so uh we have our covid special so it's uh talking about coronavirus before it actually happened dungeon and dragons love is blind remember love is blind remember messica messica oh my god i hope she's doing well yeah i do too uh blake griffin winning the blake of the year horace grant for the last dance and barbara corkeren so this is a full covid what happened in those six months uh mashup so get ready for that there were probably a million interviews that we did during COVID when we were on Zoom that I just don't remember.

Like, you remember we interviewed LeVar Ball?

I did not until you said that.

You remember we interviewed Jack, what's his name, Jack Pound?

Dick Pound.

Dick Pound.

Dick Pound from the International Olympic Committee.

Yeah, we interviewed Mark from Love is Blank.

Yeah, that's true.

Remember that?

Yes.

Jesus Christ.

All right, so here's our covet

special uh uh part of my take weird you yeah okay it is that time again we have our very very good

friend tim woods back how do we start in theory i would start by first of all just highlighting who

your characters are and i know we didn't do this last time but in theory you can come up with a

I'm sorry. Tim Woods back.
How do we start? In theory, I would start by first of all, just highlighting who your characters are. And I know we didn't do this last time, but in theory, you can come up with a name for your character and decide as much backstory for them as you want.
New players, I never worry too much about that because we're going to be learning who these characters are together. But I'll say generally you would pick your character.
And what we could do is we had some great character selections last time. We had a barbarian, a bard, and a warlock.
That's a great group. We can pick those same characters again if we want, or we could pick different characters, like a different fighty type, a different spellcaster.
We don't have – well, the bard is kind of a sneaky skill-based character, so we have a lot of the best characters we could get. Was anyone, and I always say there's four different categories, the fighty types, the spellcasters, the healers, and the sneaky skill-based characters.
Was anyone interested in hearing about them, or did they just want to grab their own character? I personally feel like we should run back our characters and add Billy to our crew. Yeah, so I'd be, I'm a barbarian.
PFT is a bard. And Hank is a warlock.
So then Billy... Is that like Gimli from Game of Thrones? Is that warlocks? I mean, Lord of the Rings.
Lord of the Rings, absolutely. So Gimli the dwarf would kind of be like a barbarian or maybe a fighter.
A big, big bruiser. However, there is a classic archetype of the dwarven cleric, the dwarf who follows the god of Moradin.
That could be me. And that kind of dwarf is more of a healer, let's say, than Gimli would have been.
Can my bard also be a dwarf? Your bard can be any race you want it to be. If you want to be a dwarf, absolutely.
Okay, so what is the fourth category yeah make it make sure you really write it down very short five five six yeah um super short so what is the fourth category that we don't have now so we have a barbarian a bard and a whiz and a warlock what's the fourth category we don't have in theory the healer types would be the ones that you don't have yet so i the cleric, and that would be the fourth kind of perfect niche that you'd be filling right now. So the warlock's kind of your spellcaster.
The cleric is your healer. The barbarian is your big fighty type.
And the bard would be kind of the more skill-based, the talkative, the face. Also, the barbarian is like 20 pounds overweight.
Can you write that down? Nah, I've lost a little bit of weight. Just write that part down.
The barbarian's shaved too early and it's tasteless. That's true.
So, all right. So, Billy's going to be a cleric.
Absolutely. A dwarven cleric, I assume, or you can be a giant cleric.
No, he's going to be a giant cleric. Can he be a giant cleric? Yeah.
There is a race called Goliaths who are like half giants. They're not quite full giants.
They're playable, but you, you can be a big stuff. And you grow rock out of your like head.
Like your arms are like upper big rocks. He's basically Rick Smith.
Perfect. And cool tattoos.
Okay. So that's interesting to me because if you're a Goliath cleric, then actually you worship the Goliath gods.
And I'll admit I don't know a thing about them. So we get to get pretty creative about that.
So also, Tim, we should mention that PFT, Wayne, and Ehrlich. Yes.
They just played in a seven-game series in ping pong, and there's a lot of tension in the room. I am tension-free.
I feel great. No, you're tension free i have no i feel great if i got awarded a free bogus point in game it may spill over a little into this game i just want you to know and also there's tension between me and berserker billy because he's a fucking idiot and it drives me nuts but here we are uh i think you might i can't remember did you say you watched any sports? I've watched a little bit.
Okay.

All right, but you saw me throw there.

You would say that's better than a Division III quarterback.

That's like a Division I quarterback, right?

I would say definitely at least Division II we're talking.

Okay, all right, all right, good, good.

That could –

The 23, however, I'd say with the 23, that felt like a Division I quarterback.

Yes, yeah, baby. Definitely a lot better than receiver.
Yeah, great throw. That was a great throw.
Here we go. Insight.
18, I got the hot hand. Yeah, can I put a spell on Ehrlich to make him super confident? Essentially make him think that he's got a lead on me.
Yeah. Make him think he can read.

Shouldn't we be focused on the dragon, Tim?

No, I think we need to take out this dragon.

Hank, you're the best weapon that we have.

Yeah.

If you roll any wisdom-based skills like perception or insight.

Can I use...

Hey, can it's my turn, please?

No, wait.

Can I ask a question to Hank?

Ehrlich, can I ask a question to you?

Sure.

I would appreciate it if you're waiting your turn.

Does Ehrlich have enough wisdom to figure out if this dragon... Can he see in the future? Will you be able to see if this dragon is just going to leave? The dragon is taken aback like a cat.
He rears back for a moment like, ooh, what are you doing? Eyes widen and then in anger her eyes narrow and she snaps at you to bite you. Oh, I forgot to ask.
Oh, no consent.

You gotta respect Billy.

I'll give you a chance.

What do you say to her? I'd be like,

I just want to

grant you freedom in a life

free from servitude.

Do you just assume that every woman

that you run into is dominated by somebody

else?

Billy basically just walked up and was like, hey, is this guy bothering you? To me. It's like, he's a jerk.
Can I buy your drink? Billy literally commanded this dragon to come over with a beam of light. And he's like, hey, can I free you from whoever made you come here? Yeah, dude, let's just try to heal the dragon so that we can ride around on the dragon But Billy, so she just The dragon bit you because you tried to kiss it It doesn't want your advances But She's playing hard to get No, Billy, she tried to kill you No means no Billy, do not try to fuck this dragon I want to ride it We've got to get rid of this dragon We ride the dragon.
Dude, we're all trying to beat the dragon. You're trying to fuck it.
And it's not working. All right.
Here we go. Get this dragon out of here.
First roll. Seven.
Let's do the second roll. Twenty.
The dragon's my bitch. Yeah, Billy.
And two things happen. First of all, you said you were trying to fly this dragon away from here, right? Or just away.
Somewhere he can go and have some private time. He wants to take it to like an hourly rate hotel.
He wants to be like, hey, babe, you want to get out of here? The dragon is letting out a roar. Forget this village.
Yes. Woo! Woo! She takes off into the air, and all the cultists are like, yeah, Lenathon! And then they see her, with you on her head, fly away from the village.
Yeah! Oh, no! What's going on? And then, and this will be the cliffhanger, as your flying wave landed on, she shakes her head left, she takes her head right,

and then finally she says,

all right, little rock man,

let's talk, you and I.

What do you want?

Oh!

She likes her to it.

Never give up, Billy.

Never give up.

Really?

With a critical hit, you think this dragon is willing to maybe become friends with you. Yes! Yes, Billy! Dude, I'm so happy I told you to do that all along.
So we'll catch up tomorrow morning at brunch with Billy. Just dish about how your night was.
Billy's like, last night was a movie. First, he introduces himself.
He extends a gauntleted hand, and he flips up his visor and you see this guy is definitely built he's a strong looking older dude and he extends ahead and he says oh sir sir sir orgerton sir orgerton uh pleasure to meet you uh you can just call me sir oh sir oh uh it's a pleasure to meet you i'm taking command of this whole situation and i'm seeing a lot of cultists outside here right now this is Coach O. This is Coach O.
This is Coach O. We met Coach O in Dungeons & Dragons.
Yeah, so Jake asked a question, right? Seems like Spurser or... Yeah, what do you want? I mean, you're a journalist.
Come on. Yeah, so Coach O, coming off that big title.
Ask him a question about D&D, though. There's no time for that.
There's no time for my... I have an illustrious career.
I've done a great job in all of my work, but right now we're in the cult website. And they've got prisoners, and I know some information about this cult.
Alright, he's got a game plan. Find out what his game plan is.
Jake just tried to do a, like, talk about the game. Come on, Jake.
Let's reframe this. This is a pre-game interview..
Let's find out what his tactics are for his plan of attack. Get some bulletin board material, Jake.
What are your opponent's bigness weaknesses? Good, Jake. He says, well, you got rid of the dragon.
That was the number one thing. I'm really glad you got rid of that dragon.
I see it flying away. Perfect.
This is great. And he gestures at his insignia, and you can tell it's some kind of a strange cat on his shoulder.
Can't tell exactly what. And he goes, go Ligers.
Go Ligers. To find out what happens next, the last, you know, in theory at the end of initiative, turn still has to go.
Berserker Billy, the cult is fleeing, and then

Lenathon, the dragon, looks back at you

and says, ha ha ha, this was

fun. What

should we do next? And she's willing to

hear you out on whatever you suggest

next. Why don't we just build

a town into the sickest play place

ever. We can build a

medieval Dave and Buster's

with arrows and shit.

So, who wants to

live here?

What it... We can build a medieval Dave and Buster's With arrows and shit So Who wants to live here? Are you threatening us? Yeah I'm fucking threatening you I got a dragon Fuck you Billy Who wants to live? It's my fucking castle I would like to ask the dragon Yo do you want to just take over this castle And torture my boss Who's been pissing me off Go ahead and roll a persuasion check.
You're rolling two times and taking the higher number. You have advantage.
Commit treason into my building. Who's strong now? Go ahead and roll, bitch.
One. Seven.
Seven. Go ahead now.
Basically the same thing as one. Do the next one.
Here comes a one. Nineteen! You're fucked, boys.
Is it a critical hit? Yeah, 19. Humans hate magical creatures.
I hate you. No, yeah.
You better live. Billy, you better kill us.
I have the power here. I am the captain now.
For right now. You come at the king, you best that myth.
No, no, no. I have the power here.
Billy. This is the magical world.
I have the power. Yeah, I know who's on on the dragon? You better kill all three of us.
Because otherwise you're fucked.

Also, Billy, what you have to understand is this dragon right now, it doesn't give a shit about your small little games. This dragon's going to leave your ass.
Go ahead, Billy. Do your thing.
Do your thing. Go with your girlfriend and destroy what we've built together.
Go ahead. No, this is what I'm saying.
You better kill all of us. You need, it sounds like with a two that Berserker Billy rolled, he had a plus four on this.
So what you need is a six or higher, and you have a plus five on this. So I need a one? I need a one? I think you got this one, big cat.
So here's the thing. I'll be very clear about this.
Something crazy always happens if you get a one. So if you get a one, you still grab Berserker Billy, but the dragon takes off with both of you.
Oh, wait. Because of that bad roll, one way or another, Berserker Billy, you were hanging a little low on this dragon.
Okay, all right. It's a bad roll, Billy.
What happens on a two? Here comes the roll, Billy. You die on a two.
18. I think that's enough.
I think he jumps too far. You jump up.
You are, since you rolled well, getting exactly where you want to get to, and you are grabbing Berserker Billy and tackling him off the dragon's back. The dragon takes off, looks down at you, and I will give one roll, then looks at you, Berserker Billy, and just shakes her head and slides away

to the south,

where the cultists seem to be

fleeing towards.

And all of the army with the dragon

seems to be flying to the south.

But you do see, to be fair, for all your critical hits,

the dragon look back once at you,

looking sad,

and then again, like,

I shouldn't have done that. I feel bad.

Nah, forget it. And then she keeps flying

Thank you. Is there any sort of like Almost like a situation that you made yourself When you tried to kill us Well you know what Is there any way I can You thought we were going to take your side In fighting ourselves Let's just remind people that Billy on the last episode Tried to kill us This is not unprovoked I just tried to kill Norm It was the start of a battle against everybody.
I have no beef with you.

You thought I was just going to let my man sit out there and get attacked? Well, he hasn't been the best to all of us.

I think he's been pretty good this year.

The only person I've been mean to is you.

You know what?

Norm the Barbarian, you now have the Berserker Rage ability

where you can now swing two times just like Berserker Billy used to be.

Except you can do it every turn as much as you want.

Just to clarify, I'm stronger than Billy.

I now have the only thing that he brought to the table,

and he's still very much dead.

And he's still very much dead right now.

Okay, just wanted to make sure that that was all clear.

Absolutely, and you are now a Berserker Barbarian

with a lot of hit points.

13.

13, and the Griffin has a plus 5 and actually has advantage. Roll one more time on this.
So far, you got an 18. Bill, you want to roll? Just kidding.
Go! I've got to see that coming. Everyone saw it.
So we're going to go with the original roll. The 18 was a success for sure.
And the griffin flies back and says, Sure, Hank, thanks. Oh, no.
He says says you were looking for the hatchery right well I found it there's a pit that looks like there are maybe three dragon eggs or more I saw at least three dragon eggs but I also saw something else so Wayne we are up to are up to you. You're still invisible.
Can I go drag

Billy's dead corpse

off the ground, reanimate it,

and then make it sit on the roper?

You can definitely drag the

corpse. I would say that

you, looking at the

spells that you have...

Our griffin's got to be pretty hungry by now, right?

Leave me dead.

Your griffin is certainly hungry, and he is a carnivore, and he says, hmm, interesting, that body's a little old, but I'm hungry, I wouldn't mind picking at that a little bit. Yeah, I think I want to feed Billy's dead body to our griffin.
You start to feed Chokes. Just because he's hungry, yeah.
Absolutely. I'll also point out you're still invisible, so when you pick up Billy's body, it does kind of look like Billy's just walking around

because you're like an invisible puppet master

right now. Can I use like my hands to

make Billy have a really stupid face and

trip him a few times as he's walking? You make him

like walk around and like

you see Billy's face like contorting

different ways but then because he's

in different pieces the body parts start to like

fall over a little bit. You're a good, you have

a lot of dexterity though so you start catching him and juggling. Yeah I'd like to juggle Billy's testicles.
Juggling Barry's body parts. And then throw one against the wall.
There's a splat as something hits the wall, for sure. Okay, great.
So, yeah, now I'd like to feed his corpse to the griffin. Absolutely.
The griffin is actually saying, you know, there's something tiny about it, like dark magic or something, but you know, it's not bad, and the griffin keeps eating this. And the griffin is also thanking us for having freed him.
He does introduce himself after this delicious meal and says, you know, my name's Blake. It's an absolute pleasure, and I'm so, thank you for freeing me.
I really, really appreciate it. So he's now really feeling like a member of our team now that he got to eat our former teammate.
Oh, it's a Blake it's a former teammate. Got it.
Okay. Yeah.
I went down the wrong. Actually, I don't like Blake Griffin anymore.
Yeah. He kind of ditched us the other day.
I'm sorry. This can be a different thing.
No, Blake Griffin's fine. Okay.
Just for the record. I'm mad at him.
All right. So now that you want to take him out, you got any thoughts on that? Hank.
Just kidding. Tim, thank you so much.
We really appreciate your time as always. Absolutely.
Thank you, Tim. Good game.
Absolutely, everybody. Love is Blind.
Now, this show, I have not yelled at my TV while watching a show as much as I have watching this whatever it is.

I can't decide.

When I first started watching it, I was like, this show sucks.

I hate everyone involved.

But now I feel like I didn't want to stop watching it after the fourth episode.

I was like, I kind of love how much I hate some of these characters.

Okay, it was hard for me to physically watch.

Let's do big picture real quick.

So we found out there's actually 60 people that got invited so it's 30 guys 30 girls we probably only saw like 10 or 12 of them my question right off the bat and i don't want this to sound mean at all but because it's love is blind did they intentionally not pick like super attractive people because it was markedly i wouldn't the attractiveness was way lower than your Bachelor, your Bachelorette, your real world. It's the first season of a new show.
Yeah, exactly. The circle, their other shows like that too.
I'm going to throw a flag on that one because my first note was they should have had at least two very unattractive people.

Well, I think they did.

Very unattractive. I think they did if you saw the 60.
I didn't look at all the 60. No, no, no.
I'm saying there was even some clips. Like we were joking.
The 38-year-old dude who was like, are you an African-American? Yeah. That guy was whack.
That was perhaps the most awkward thing I've ever seen on a dating show on television. They threw some dogs in there, but I just noticed right away.
I wanted to see some notably dogish people on there that would shock the person if they got picked. They were, though, and I'm not saying I'm a good-looking guy because I probably would be perfect for Love is Blind or I'm probably less attractive than the people on there, but usually when you watch a dating show, you're like, holy shit, all these people aren't even real life.
There are some very attractive people on the show. There are a few.
there are a few but there also are a bunch show you're like holy shit all these people aren't even real life there are some very attractive people on the show there are a few there are a few yeah but there also are a bunch that you're like how'd that guy get there yeah so you're african-american yeah that was a great opening line like what's his name kenny who's a sweet dude he's not really why isn't there what about uh with cameron nice guy you're not like a looker why isn't there uh why isn't there a glory hole in the love pods right nick lachey acting like everyone just knows who he is yeah he's like obviously i'm obviously nick lachey and nick lachey like what did he do anything in between episodes one and four uh he did nothing basically the entire time they did even i watched the whole thing but yeah he did he does nothing the whole time he popped back up i'm nick Lachey yeah I'm Nick Lachey and then reads a cue card but they needed obviously a married couple here and they were like oh let's look like was Ashley Simpson and her husband not available I feel like that would have been good so alright so the show is patently ridiculous who do you where should we... I want to talk about Barnett.
I hate him. He's a fuckboy.
The very definition of fuckboy. And he's found his girl in Amber, who is the very definition of a hot mess.
So you got a fuckboy and a hot mess, and those are two unstoppable forces that are just going to rub up against each other until they get into a fight. Right.
So that relationship's not going to work, but they're going to have a hell of a time while they're in it uh but his jokes that he had to introduce himself to everybody they're like pre-dad jokes yes like he's going to be an excellent dad oh i wrote i wrote them down they were pretty bad so uh when when uh one of i think jessica said what do you think about dogs in the bed and he replied i am one i am one uh she also said do you kids, what do you think about dogs in the bed? And he replied, I am one. She also said, kids, what do you think about kids? And he says, do I have any? Not that I know of.
Well, he had a great quote when he was talking to the camera about what he's looking for on the show. He goes, I usually go for pretty girls, but this time I'm not looking for anything.
Well, not that I'm looking for anything ugly. He he's like i usually like to date pretty girls as my type uh i still do yeah but i usually in the past have also done that uh the the kids joke i think he said so he said not that i know of and then uh jessica said no i meant your position and he said what's my favorite position so really just really making everyone laugh and then the last one i wrote down they asked uh when they went back to the room where it was very odd odd dynamic they would all go back to the pad and be like who did you connect with and uh someone said who were you all feeling and he said none of them because it was through a wall good one very good and then he said all these girls love my jokes they it they love the jokes that was the big from the first five episodes jessica uh and barnett barnett being like i think

barnett actually i actually wrote it down it says he said if this place had no other guys and no

other girls i'd propose to you which that is quite the love you know throwing that out there and

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And then the next day she's like, hey, Barnett, did you mean all that stuff you said last night? And Barnett's like, nah, not really. Then she goes from that to, you know what, who's that first guy, Mark? Jessica is 34 years old, cannot figure out how all of her relationships fail, and then came on this show and basically got directly into a failed relationship.
Yep. Yeah.
Got dumped and then got a rebound in Mark. And was like, I'll make it work.
Yeah. She was like, I'm going to make this work.
We have so much in common. We're both from Chicago.
And Italian people. And dogs.
Literally, all they had in common was that they grew up near Chicago. And dogs.
So she kept, like, trying, when she would talk to herself and convince herself that things might work out with Mark, it was just going back to, like, we're built on something so solid, our foundation, that he really likes the Cubs. No, you forgot one thing.
The Christianity. When Mark explained his tattoo, it his tattoo was like yeah i have a cross on my side uh-huh and i left the space open for my future kids and she was like oh my god that is so romantic she strikes me as somebody who would who said multiple times like i'm not religious but i'm very spiritual i want no i want to raise my kids through the church yeah but i don't go yeah mark is Yeah, Mark is turning incel in front of her eyes.
Yes. Mark is a big time simp.
He's having to negotiate for the relationship to keep going every single conversation. Their entire relationship is just a series of important talks that they have to have with each other.
Yes. And every time it's Mark being like, I'm here for you and I'm still here and I'm going to make this work.
Are you going to make this work? And she's like, yeah, I guess so. And then she goes to the bathroom and fingers herself to throw up our net.
Yeah, and then Mark's like, hey, I've been thinking like, if we're really going to get married, maybe at some point you should actually not be completely appalled by the look of me. Yeah.
And she's like, I don't know. It's just taking a lot of physical you know what we're working on things like you're my best friend right yeah no it was he basically proposed to her he said will you do me the honor of putting me the fuck in your friend zone for life yes right now she's even said like i think of him as like my best friend like i love him brother yeah okay we now welcome on a very special guest it is four-time nba champion horace grant uh horace thank you for joining us it's everyone's obviously talking about the last dance we want to talk about your entire career but let's start there and what has it been like to watch to go back in time and see all this stuff see a young Horace Grant see all of uh the stories be retold on a national stage well uh looking back on it uh reminiscing if you will, kind of making me wish I was 22, 23 again.
You know, it was some great years. We had a fun time, a great run there in Chicago.
But just the camaraderie that we had as a team, the confidence that we had as a team when we got out there on the floor. Yeah.
Are there birds in the background? Are producers saying? Yeah. Let me close the window.
Okay, cool. Yeah, we can hear them.
They sound like they're having a good time. People would definitely, the whole interview, they'd be like, what the hell? What's going on? One of the best parts of the documentary so far was your reaction to that Piston series

where they walked off the court, didn't shake your hand.

I think you called them little bitches.

Have you heard from anybody on the Pistons about that?

Well, you know, the ironic thing about that was I never knew what MJ said about the Pistons. I guess after game three, saying they didn't deserve to be champion, they messed the game up and all of that.
If I had known that, I don't think I would have called them bitches. I would have said crybaby.
But to answer your question, I talked to Isaiah Thomas, and we had a great, great conversation, man. I mean, and I see Isaiah all the time at All Star Weekend.
I mean, we have great conversations. So we had a great conversation about everything, and it's cool i just put it that way that that uh moment where you guys beat the pistons and and knowing everything that had come before that like i actually was kind of shocked they didn't go deeper into the migraine game the scotty migraine game knowing that you were so close with scotty what was michael's reaction to that because you can still see it on his face that he doesn't really believe that scotty had a migraine and that probably speaks to his psychopath you know competitiveness where he's like nothing could ever stop me when that happens are you you know right after the game are you like yes scotty clearly had a migraine or do you side with mj a little bit and be like it's crazy he wasn't able to compete in game seven listen when you have migraines and i had a couple migraines when you have migraines man you can you're it's blurry you can't see the noise is crazy there's no way scott have functioned out there with those migraines.
And he did have a migraine, man. And for us, I mean, for the people who second-guessed that, I mean, I don't know if you can say, you know, they can kiss my ass.
You know, that's crazy, man. And I saw when they asked MJ about that and he licked his lip and smirked a little bit.
The dude, that was your sidekick. That was your second in command.
He had a migraine. That's my thing.
We play this game with every guest that we have. It's called headline grab where we say something and then you give us something and we're going to make a headline and get some big news out of it.
So I'll rephrase Big Cat's question. How much money in debt was Michael Jordan from gambling when David Stern asked him to take a year off? Hey, that's something.
See, I was so oblivious to a whole bunch of things, guys. I'm telling you.
Because I was about playing basketball, partying, and going home. That was me.
That was me. So I don't know if David Stern told me to take a year off.
I just know MJ loved to gamble. That's what – I mean, even on luggage, even on, you know, what color you think that next car is going to be coming down the street.
So in terms of that, I don't know if that caused his retirement or not. Would you gamble with him? you gamble with him? would you gamble with him on the plane and everything? play cards? oh hell yeah we did myself, Pip, Oak Pete Mike a whole bunch of us would gamble how would you do? what would you say? are you up or down to MJ in your life gambling? Well, I can only say one thing that he ran out of cash one night.
He didn't have enough cash on him. And of course, you know, when you don't have enough cash, you know, we loan each other money.
And I think I loaned him about two thousand dollars and of course i was

talking trash every time i gave him about 400 500 and then he got he was so pissed that the next day he brought two thousand dollar work for crispy 100 bills all right so my last question and this is a hilarious thing to look back on, but I just need confirmation that it's 100% true. You once tried to skip practice because Scotty Pippen's cat died and you were mourning the cat.
Hey, true story. But the thing behind that, i was still drunk from the night before so that's that's you're really emotional about that cat you really were in your feels about that cat listen hey when you have a quite a few drinks and you still hung over you still get emotional about certain things it was a special cat cat.
It was a great cat. And the great part about a cat is they have nine times they can die, and you can miss nine practices.
I mentioned the book for everyone listening on Monday's show, Blood on the Horns, but it was like Scotty called in and was like, hey, my cat died. I'm not going to be in practice today.
And 15 minutes later, you called in. You're like, hey, Scotty's cat died.
I'm not going to be in practice today. Hey, we came in together in 1987.
So that was my day. Still my man.
That's friendship. That's deep friendship.
To be like, I'll come and sit and be bros with you when your cat dies. Absolutely.
I mean, the cat, I mean, we had a bond. A great bond, man.
What was the cat's name? I don't dare. I knew you wouldn't have that.
I knew you wouldn't have that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, ready, Hank? All right, here we go. You're a girl or a boy? I'm a boy.
Keep that in. Oh, no.
You want to see? I told you she's spicy. No, I don't want to see.
That sounds like a leading question. This is Barbara Corcoran.
You know her. She's the founder of the Corcoran Group, and she is an investor on Shark Tank.
I've always thought that. So I had a background in sales.
I sold pretty much anything under the map. You name it, I slanged it.
I was the best salesperson I could be right after I sold something else. Why was that? Because you were bouncing off a high, and you thought, I'm a mighty man pounding your check.
I can do anything. Yeah, you feel real good.
And did that work? Yeah, it worked really well. Before two deals, maybe.
No, no. I sold cats.
I sold used dogs. I sold Christmas trees.
I sold portable air conditioners, software, used cars. And you know, it's funny.
I could put you in a Honda Ridgeline like that. I wouldn't have bought any of those things from you.
Yeah. Not a single one.
And let me ask you, if you were such a good salesman, let me challenge that. Okay.
If you're such a good salesman, why don't you hop from product to product to product? Good salespeople don't do that. Oh, because there's a cap on my commissions when I was selling cats.
Oh. And so then I moved up to dogs.
This is the weirdest thing. And then Christmas, the higher the ticket item, the more money you get paid.
Also, I found that the higher the ticket item, the higher the dollar sign on whatever it is you're selling, a lot of times it's easier to sell the expensive thing than it is to sell the cheap thing. And why is that? Because the customers that try to buy a cheap thing, they're focused on the price and they'll just walk away at any given second.

Customers that want to buy an expensive thing, they're focused on the other stuff that you can highlight for them.

You've got to tell me something I'm curious about.

You're telling me that you went and sold high-priced shit to people with that haircut?

No.

Oh, you look different back then. That's a good point, yeah.

Because I wouldn't buy anything from you.

Right now, my only customer would be Kid Rock.

If he needed a legacy software upgrade, then I could hook him up. Oh, yeah, of course you could.
What is the one product that you've invested in that you wish you could take back? Oh, there's a lot of them. Okay.
The lipstick that makes you lose weight. Wait.
That's true? That sounds like a great idea? Sounds like a great idea, but guess what? It doesn't make you lose weight. Even though it burns the crap out of your lips, so you don't want to eat a hot dog next time, but it's terrible.
Wait. That's a real thing? That's a real thing.
That sounds like a high idea that we create. Or the dentist, if he uses toothpaste, it's going to put you to sleep at night.
I tried it. I was having a hard time sleeping.
I never went to sleep after I used this toothpaste. Oh, melatonin? After I invested, like, no, not melatonin.
Melatonin toothpaste, yeah. Oh, that, wait, maybe that's good.
Yeah. There was no melatonin that time.
So what was it that knocked you out? Hank has this. Hank has Listerquil.
NyQuil and Listerine combined.

He literally has that.

That's his idea.

This is great.

I'm going to try both these formulations.

Maybe my money's not lost yet.

Yeah, Listerquil has been a long-time idea.

Holy shit, Hank.

That was just proven that you're right.

Wait, I-

You invested in Hank's idea?

I don't know what to take seriously.

No, he-

Listerquil is a long-time idea of Hank.

It's in beta.

It sounds like you invested in Listerquil, but it't it was a wrong formulation yeah it didn't put you to sleep and it tasted like crap the only sad part is that it was after her saying her least favorite investment well that's yeah my favorite it wasn't successful formula wasn't good your formula worked she likes the idea barbara loves it she's in love with the It's the people behind it. Who would think I'd come here today and make money? Yeah.
I never saw that coming. Can Blake Griffin do it? I don't.
I think Kepka's got it. 5.5 is a tough number.
The hardest thing to do in sports is to repeat his champion. It's going to be very hard.
Okay, here we go. Blake Griffin.
Go. Oh, 3.3.
Holy shit. You did it again.
Blake. You did it again.
Congratulations. Blake to Blake champion.
You did it again. Blake Griffin.
You're a transcendent talent. It was a tough competition, though.
Do you want to know the finals? I need to know the times. So this year, Bortles had 5.75.
Koepka had 5.5. And you beat them both by 1.2 seconds.
Wow. Wow.
Yes. We actually were talking beforehand, and we said the storylines that were going into this Blake of the Year was,

will we look back and say that this was the GOAT status for Blake Griffin?

Will we look back, PFT was saying, and say, is Blake Griffin bad for Blakes?

Is it not fair anymore, do you think?

You know, I'm not even ready to answer those questions right now because I put in the time.

I'm also working on a Last Dance Blake of the Year documentary as we speak. And, you know, the footage will show that I put the time in and the footage will show that I care about this.
You know, if you can't accept that, then it's fine. You're not a real Blake of the the Year fan I think all the talk that we've had we've had Bortles and Kepka on recently and discussed the Blake of the Year with him I guess you could say Blake Griffin took it personally I took that personal every time you guys post a highlight of Brooks on the golf course posted his mustache compared it to Big Cat I take that personal.
I see it all. I don't comment all the time, but I see it all, and I take it personal.
It's impressive. I mean, you're clearly very emotional.
I can hear it in your voice. Congratulations.
The title is yours for another year. And, I mean, I don't know what else to say.
There are no words right now. We're truly in the presence of greatness.
Thank you, guys. And, you know, if I can real quick, I just want to address the fans.
Unbelievable support over this past year. But we brought another Blake of the Year home.
So you see me on the streets yell. Let's celebrate together because this one's for everybody.
Wow. He's sharing this with the fans.
What a guy. Blake, one last question.
Are you going to take some time to celebrate this, or are you thinking already, hey, let's move on. It's next year.
You're only as good as your next break. The way I see it, I have the rest of the day to celebrate, but then it's back to training.
Love it. Love it.
Heart of a champion. All right, Blake, we'll talk to you soon.
Oh, also don't say anything because we're going to run this July 6th.

So don't say anything. Wow.
I have to wait that long. Yes.
Yes. So when we do, when it does happen,

just pretend it was just that day. Okay.
All right. Okay.
All right. Thank you, Blake.
Congrats again. What a job.
All right. All right.
See ya. Okay.
We're rounding up. We got a couple left.
This is – we're coming out of the COVID part of the year. We have some good interviews with – great interviews with Matt Ryan and Kevin Love.
Kevin Love was the first interview we did in person a long ass time. Awesome to do.
Matt Ryan, really cool guy. Yeah.
I feel bad that I keep saying he's so sackable. But he is.
He is. That's just a fact.
I think he would even admit it. Defenders are like, I like this guy so much.
I wanted to just give him a big hug. But yeah, we had some good interviews once we got back into the office.
It was just good to see people face to face again. Yes.
I would love to never have to look into a Zoom kaleidoscope of hell anymore for the rest of my life. Yes.
So let's do that. Let's do our Matt Ryan and Kevin Love interview.
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All right, let's do it. All right.
We'll get out to a big start, and then you can come back. First question, how much did that suck? I mean, as much as anything can suck, right? Like, that's about as bad as it gets.
It still stings a little bit, but, you know, hopefully I get back there at some point and can change the narrative. I remember Ed Werder after the game asked you how crushing was this loss right after the game.
And that was maybe the most savage question in the moment. So credit to you for dealing with that in the moment and not like I would have freaked out and grabbed my Xbox controller and thrown it at everyone in the press and been like, I'm out of here.
So good job on that. Yeah, I gave my helmet a pretty good launch when I got into the locker room, saw the kind of speakers and stuff fly out.
So I basically did the same thing you would do with the Xbox controller with my helmet. I heard a nasty rumor that you got a contact high from Chris Long when he hit you in the fourth quarter and that's what kind of sent you downhill can you confirm that? Yeah I don't think that's true but you know it was that fourth quarter it was kind of a weird deal right because the end I mean we made some great plays to get back into field goal range late in the game then we kind of you know got bumped back out but there was no contact I from Chris I actually just talked to him earlier today all good he's still talking shit about that year and then the following year when he beat us with the Eagles which both those were were tough losses yeah that that was the 2017 Falcons who I I was saying they hadn't played their best game yet.

You guys lost, and I still was like, don't worry, they're going to be in the playoffs next week,

and they still haven't played their best game because I was a big believer in that team.

Have you had a chance, I assume, to talk to Kyle Shanahan?

I know that you guys have publicly, like, there's back and forth, you know, not blame, but Kyle Shanahan gets some of the blame for it. But have you guys buried the hatchet in that respect? Yeah, we're cool.
I mean, we talked a lot about it, you know, the week and a half after that game. And then, you know, obviously I was happy for him with the San Francisco hire and, you know, kept in touch with him and then obviously reach back out to him

after, you know, another tough one for them after the Super Bowl this year.

So I've been, you know, I've kept in touch with him and he's a, I mean, he's a great

coach, man.

He's a good dude, really good football coach, and he's going to get one.

I hope not during, you know, the rest of my career, but, you know, at some point after

that, he's going to get one.

Do you call into question his judgment knowing that he has Chris Sims's initials tattooed on his calf? We used to bust his balls all the time about that. Matt Sims.
So Chris's brother, Matt, was the third string quarterback with us for, I guess, two seasons while Kyle was there. And Matt, he was relentless, man.
He would break his balls all the time about that. And it is, you know, he tells a story about why they did it, and it still doesn't make sense.
I mean, it just, it was a bad decision. The Wood, they called themselves The Wood, right? It was like four bros at University of Texas.
They're like, hey, let's all get each other's names put on our legs. Yeah, just a bad decision at that time.
I mean, you couldn't have thought it was going to play out well. Right.
Speaking of Matt Sims, what is it about the name Matt that makes really good quarterbacks? Good question. Thanks.
I don't know. That's another weird part of that year.
So in that quarterback room, our quarterback coach was Matt LaFleur, current head coach of the Green Bay Packers. Our backup quarterback was Matt Schaub.
And our third string quarterback was Matt Sims. So all four of us in that room at the time were Matt.
And the running joke was that, you know, if anybody came in and asked for Matt, they knew who we were talking to. It was me.
So everybody else just kept their mouth shut. Yeah.
I'd like to talk to Matt Schaub. Have you ever asked Matt Schaub the streak, the pick six streak that he had going?

That's an all-time.

I mean, what happened there?

Have you ever been like, hey, dude, what was going on in that?

Yeah, he doesn't really want to go there.

When I bring it up, he doesn't really want to go there all that often about it.

But I think we're both like top 15 all time of

uh pick sixes thrown so uh that's pretty good for one quarterback room yeah did you did he ever suggest hey maybe we should work on our tackling never came up either either of us never really brought it up i want to do a quick uh throwback wondering what you was going through your head during this decision making, and it wasn't your decision,

but 2015, you're out playing the season. uh throwback wondering what you was going through your head during this decision making and it

wasn't your decision but uh 2015 you're out playing the san francisco 49ers you guys are down four fourth and goal on the one under three minutes to go you kick a field goal what were you thinking uh i don't know do you remember that play because i do we were out there 2015 out we had just opened the new stadium yeah i do we kicked it and then we didn't get the ball back i don't think correct correct you lost by one yeah yeah yeah probably not the right choice no i actually met we saw dan quinn at the combine a couple years ago and and i asked him about that because i kind of have just i don't know it's something i'm just hung up on um i think i had money on the game and i just was really mad definitely had money on the game and uh yeah he's yeah he was like yeah that was a mistake so out of character for dan though too i think he's changed it's probably one of the learning experiences for him as a head coach too because he honestly is one of the most aggressive uh you know aggressive guys in the league when it comes to going forward on fourth down and being aggressive and you know having the balls to to make those decisions and and being able to live with it uh which is one of the things you love about him but it was his first year as a head coach so I mean he's he's come along along. He's gotten better.
Yeah. That was a bad one.
And now for something completely different. 2016, in the finals, game seven, the end of the game, you're supposed to lock down Steph Curry.
And the Cavaliers by three. And I like the no timeout call by Steve Curry.
Love picks up Curry. Curry steps back, fakes the three, drives again, shut off nicely.
Were you afraid in that moment or were you like, if I were you, and this is probably why I'm not a basketball player, a professional basketball player besides being only 5'10 1⁄2", but if that were me, I would be. It's your contract height.
I'm actually 5'8", but if I say 5' I say 5'7", nobody – Yeah, he's 6'1". I'm 6'1".
Well, these shoes, by the way, these are six shoes because they give me three inches and they're not actually lifts. So technically, I guess I am six feet right now.
But if I were you and I were in that position, I would just be shitting myself. I'd be like, I hope I don't fuck this up.
Is that what you were thinking or were you like, I got this? mean naturally you're going against the the i mean first time ever unanimous mvp right this team 73 and 9 but again i forgot to mention preparation when i came to uh uh tyloo and our team in general like we had gone over that particular play i mean hundreds of times gone through it in film hundreds of times had seen it the game, especially in their fourth quarter package a number of times, because they wanted, they knew that we were switching most of the time, one through five, and that I was on Draymond. So I was, I was guarding the four, uh, you know, he's going to set the flare for, for Clay and, uh, we weren't going to switch that, come over the top.
And then when, when he screen for Steph, and I think JR might have ended up on Draymond after that. Found a green, seven to shoot.
Curry fakes the three, steps back, crossover, puts up a three. Rebound James with 30 seconds remaining.
I always say it was actually, you know, I played great defense, but as far as a defensive scheme and play,

it was actually a bad defensive possession

because I wasn't supposed to let,

I was supposed to deny the ball back to Steph

and I let him get the ball back.

So Draymond had caught it kind of in the corner,

was like, okay, I'm going to need Steph to make this play

because he's done it time and time again.

And, you know, he throws it back to him. I'm actually supposed to deny that.
You know, luckily I kept my feet down, you know, knew everything was at stake. But I think part of the reason I was able to do that in that moment was because, yes, first of all, I was locked in.
We went through it so many times. We prepared so many times.
And that was a play that really stuck out to us in late game situation. But I think more than anything, it was my mindset changed in the series.
You know, I come off a concussion. I hadn't played the next game in game three.
We ended up winning. So I'm like, I'm just going to focus on defense and rebounding.
That's all I'm going to focus on here. So when that time came, I was more ready than I probably otherwise would have been had I not decided to focus on that.
If he drives on you, though, you're cooked. I'm finding the shit out.
Oh, you would have been following him? No, it's funny because I don't. It was good defense, but he also.
I was guarding the three. You've got to be like, thank God he took a shot there and not driving on me.
And I've seen him make that shot. I mean, we all have time and time again against even bigger players.
Right. He comes back the in the finals i think it might be game one maybe i think it might have been game two where they blew us out because game one was was crazy really suspect foul call the whole thing uh charge block they went you know called it a charge went back so it was a blocking foul that was suspect so it just had never happened before it's unprecedented in a in a in a game especially of that magnitude an nba finals game yeah bron has you know one of the best finals performances of all time you know we go out there i have a big game guys are playing great guys are ready for the moment then we lose it's like that just took the wind out of our sails so wait so so i'm sorry so yeah so you're like just so that play but in general as a bigger guy yeah when you get on an island with a guy with sick handles, a point guard, are you just, like, in the back of your head like, this fucking sucks? Oh, yeah.
I mean, it's tough. In today's NBA, it's tough because, you know, there's no hand-checking anymore.
It's been like that for a while, but it's such a pace-in-space league now. I mean, take a look at the Rockets.
They're the best example of it. You know, there's a number of teams that, you know, I did a story with Jackie McMullen, who, you know, was talking about the new era of the big men.
And she said in the last five years, because we've advanced stats now and analytics for every single team, like we base kind of sometimes what we do on that, right? And numbers tell a story. So she was saying that 50% of, I mean, post touches are 50% down in the last five years.
I believe it. So you don't see a traditional five-man anymore.
You even have guys like, I mean, we were talking about Milwaukee earlier, Brooke Lopez out there shooting threes. You have Marc Gasol out there shooting threes.
Even Val Chunis out there shooting threes. Joel Embiid out there shooting threes.
Not well, but yeah, he's out there shooting threes. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
If you don't have that in your game, it's almost like, you know, can I put him in in certain situations? Because you have to guard. You have to switch.
You have to guard ones and twos. You have to guard a Steph.
You have to guard a Kyrie. You have to guard a Russell Westbrookok a james harden so switching on to them in the open floor and asking for help is already a disadvantage daniel lily same way like it's it's hard to do steven adams can't really play in the series against the rockets like that's kind of what it is what he's playing but you can't play him long minutes because it doesn't really fit with you help off of pj tucker he's getting in the corner and he's shooting three right he shot the most shot the most, and I think maybe even the highest percentage of anybody in the league from that corner there.
And he's 6'5". Steve Adams is 7'0".
And they're not able to take advantage of that. They go double.
Somebody else has to beat you. So, again, to answer your question, yeah, I think if I would have funneled him into the lane, we probably would have had to help.
And maybe they would have kicked it out to Clay or kicked it out to another player, but we would have made somebody else beat us. Yeah.
But in that moment, you know, he even said it too. It's funny.
He came out in an article. He said, I should have driven past Kevin Love.
I could have done it easily. Yeah, that's fair.
But you didn't. If I were you, I would watch the replay of that just like still nervous and think to myself, shit, I hope he doesn't drive.
By the way, I still watch that. I've never watched the game in its entirety.
I've never watched a game. By the way, the first half of the game isn't even worth watching.
Yeah. Because then JR comes out, and I think they're up eight points.
He has two threes and scores a layup. But I don't even watch the first half.
I can remember walking back to the locker room with James Jones, who now works in the front office for the Phoenix Suns, a really close of mine. And he, I looked at him, I said, does this even feel like a game seven? And, you know, he had been a part of all the finals runs with, with Bron and he's like, no, really? Yeah.
And then at the locker room at halftime, where's it like, where's the energy? Where's the, you know, we need accountability. So we came out in the second half and we were, locked in and ready to go.
So the second half is amazing. It's incredible.
And I remember the last four minutes, I'm sitting here like this at a timeout, but I remember the last four minutes, really nobody scored. Yeah, yes.
Kyrie hit that big shot, and Bron had the block, the stop, whatever. And Bron went to the free throw line, hit the one free throw, put us up four.

But I can remember sitting down.

So it always went Bron at the front, Kyrie – or excuse me, J.R., myself, I was in the middle, Tristan, and then Kyrie was always at the end. So LeBron and Kyrie on opposite sides of each other.

Yes.

Got it.

As far away from each other as possible, you would say.

I think both of them wanted to feel like they could leave a huddle. No, no, it's the end.
You know what I mean? I got you. Got it.
As far away from each other as possible, you would say? I think both of them wanted to feel like they could leave a huddle.

No, no.

It's totally.

I got you.

Go ahead.

So you're sitting there.

Yeah, so we're sitting there.

Nobody's saying a word, but I can remember looking.

Everybody's going crazy.

Phil Knight's sitting right there.

Lynn Merritt, who's the head of Nike Global Basketball.

I see Guy Fieri.

Guy Fieri's obviously there.

By the way, have you guys had Guy Fieri on the show?

No, we would love to.

He's on the left.

There before the grassy guy goes.

Thank you. ball i see you know uh guy fieri guy fury's obviously there by the way if you guys had guy fury on the show we would love to he's all there before the grassy guy go on yeah diners drive-ins and drives i mean like that's a big man that could be like a conversational pivot but i'm yeah but i just remember you know i think everybody like we even had our fans there the the you know 100 people that were up there friends and family and you know we're in this chaotic coliseum type experience like they just let the lions out right and i just remember looking at everybody like oh wow we're like we're gonna win this we're we're locked in and like i'll never unless you're in that moment and the guys are all locked in and around because typically guys are going doing their own thing and and talking whatever guys are you know loose with with the huddle most of time we just we excelled a lot of the time because of how much talent we had but we were so locked in and when tyloo came in and sat down he just kind of looked at us drew up to play and i i actually believe that might have been when uh you know kairi we came down in the possession and he hit the big shot But that type of thing you just can't draw up.
But I just remember how locked in we were, and that still today resonates with me in such a big way. In those finals, because hearing basketball players talk, Kevin Durant always talks about how much he appreciates just great basketball.
Did you have moments when you were in any of those finals where you were like, this is just insanely insanely good basketball like the level that both these teams are playing at and the you know the the margin for error is so razor thin like this is did you have a chance to like appreciate it yeah actually getting back to walking into the locker room at halftime it's a long walk at oracle r.i.p oracle i mean it's not gone but it's it moved into the city but to us, it's gone, which is too bad because what a great arena to play. Obviously, hate the fans, but also love the fans at the same time.
Loud place. But we're walking back.
It's a long walk. And, you know, I think the margin for error question is great because we were – this is a team that we're playing against in the Warriors that if they get it to double digits, you get in your brain and you're like, oh man, like very seldom do you come back from double digits to this team.
They have so much firepower. Clay and Steph get going.
You know, Dre is doing his things in the running for defensive player of the year every single year, and they just have the thing rolling. If they get Oracle going, it's so loud.
It's a tough place to play, really, really tough, maybe the hardest at that time because they were 73-9 and so good. But we knew that if we didn't make up any of our ground from that eight-point deficit, that if it got to double digits, we could be in trouble, especially in the second half.
Guys are going to get a little, you know be in trouble especially in the second half guys are going to get a little you know assholes going to get tired guys are going to get a little bit more tense you know guys are going to start doing things outside of maybe even their character or their game and you know for that to to happen to us would have been you know pretty tough because you've seen it time and time again even in the playoffs and finals games as well we saw the next year when we played them them like if you give them enough of uh you know a discrepancy they're going to take advantage they score nine points in like 30 seconds yeah it's almost like you have to be up by 10 at halftime because in that third quarter they can come out and they're the best third quarter team right they'll go in like a 16-0 run like that and before you know they're capable of that quick yeah they get the crowd going stuff You know, it's just, it's a tough, tough place to play. And being on the road like that, we had to be locked in.
So that, the margin for error was incredibly, incredibly low. Okay, wrapping up the best of, we got some dudes to finish it up.
We got Matthew McConaughey. We got Ryan Rosillo.
Some dudes. Rosillo's going to be so happy they got lumped in with Matthew McConaughey.
He's definitely going to reply to the tweet and tag McConaughey in it, being like, hey, great end of the year episode, and just in secret hopes that McConaughey will write him back. A couple dudes take off their shirts.
Should we do a number before we do that, before we get to them? So Bubba actually won. I got to put some balls back in there, but let's just not do it for this time.

I'm going to go 21.

New year.

I'll go 100 again.

21.

21, Bubba.

95.

95, trying to cuck me.

21.

If this is eight, I'm going to fucking... I'm going to shit twice and die.

Ooh.

Shit twice and die.

If it's eight?

Yeah, because that's what I normally pick.

Oh. Yeah, see, I...
Shit twice and die If it's 8 Yeah because that's what I normally pick Shit twice and die 8 I got 100 Oh 21 baby 50 Well look at that I guess we'll find out I hope Jake's taking these numbers down We'll have the full crew back from vacation. This is the not fucking around crew, me, Liam, and PFT.
We don't take days off. The rest of us, the rest of them, Hank and Billy and Jake, who just kind of freeload off our backs, will be back.
Yeah, Hank's in mourning because of the end of his dynasty. I can understand him wanting to take a day off.
And Billy is out making himself. This is a direct quote I saw through some of my sources.
Billy is going to make himself a weapon before the Jose can say go fight. He's turning himself into a weapon.
Yeah, turning himself into a weapon. Yeah, he's also probably making himself a weapon to have on his person.
Yeah. But, yeah, 2021.
Let's just do a redo, guys. Yeah.
Let's call that one a wash. Move forward.
Maybe we can get Hank to do Soggy Sorrows. Yes.
We can get back for the Patriots. Yes.
Hard bodies in 2021. Get excited.
We'll see everyone after week 17. Enjoy Matthew McConaughey and Ryan Russo.
Love you guys. I'm a terrific post player.
Terrific. I'll put that up against anybody.
But then yesterday, I was telling Big Cat, some guys were like hitting on me at hoops trying to ask me to play with them. It was weird.
Because you were backing them down too hard. You were sending the wrong signals.
No, no. They just saw me shooting around a little bit.
And I was trying to be COVID safe, so I didn't really want to play pickup with anybody anyway.

But I just wanted to get some shots up, get a little sweat in.

And I think they were high as fuck because they reeked.

I think one guy was playing in sandals, but he was really nice.

But then they were asking me how much I weighed,

and they had a bet on it,

which I thought was kind of cool and complimentary.

You know, so I was like, I don't know what to tell you.

So I told them I weighed, and they got excited.

And then it just immediately went into,

hey, do you guys want to join?

Do you want to join my buddies?

and the cool and complimentary you know and so i was like i don't know i don't know what to tell you so i told them i wait and they got excited and then it just immediately went into hey do you guys want to join you want to join my buddies and i on a text thread and we can we can pick and i was like no i actually don't want to give you my cell phone number you but i'll just be around you basically just met the west coast billy football because that's something billy football would absolutely say like yo dude how much you weigh like i'm looking at you right now you're looking pretty solid i don't know what's up with billy football's. Like, yo, dude, how much you weigh? Like, I'm looking at you right now.

You're looking pretty solid.

I don't know.

What's up with Billy Football's arms?

I thought he used to have big arms.

That's a good question, Ryan.

So he joined the team. Great question.

He doesn't have headphones on right now.

He joined the Jenga team, and then he cut his sleeves off,

and then he chose the only guy in the office that has bigger arms than him.

So now he looks like he's got little earthworms hanging from his shoulders.

Billy hasn't done curls in days. It's bad.
He asks, what's up with your arms, Billy? than him. So now he looks like he's got little earthworms hanging from his shoulders.
Billy hasn't done curls in days.

It's bad.

He asks, what's up with your arms, Billy?

Tell him.

Rosilla, I'll bench you 100%.

How much are you benching nowadays?

You know, once you get out of high school, you don't max a ton.

I know.

I'm out of college.

I still don't max a ton, but I know I can bench more than you.

You probably can, man.

I don't know.

What do you max?

Well, right now I'm out of college. I still don't max.
I know I can bench more than you. You probably can, man.
I don't know. What do you max? Well, right now I'm probably hovering around like 285.
Max? It's not a lot to brag about. Fucking put the microphone down.
How was you benching? I put up 315 three times today fucking around. Get back to me in a couple years.
You're probably a short-arm guy. That's man strength.
I'm not a short-arm guy. I don't know if you caught this.
You must have missed the part, but my post thing. Like 6'6", it's stupid.
It's fucking silly. The funny thing is I'm sure that Ryan actually knows exactly what his wingspan is.
Yes. No, 6'6".
He's got a new fighter chart on his wall. That's in the draft notes.
Ryan Rossillo, 6'6", wingspan. It's stupid.
Silly strong. I can't believe you're at 285.
I squatted. That's embarrassing.
Oh, we're doing squat numbers now? Yeah, my squat was my best lift. Go ahead.
Say your squat numbers. Squatted over 440.
That's great, man. Talk to me when you're 45.
Okay. Dude, 285? I didn't know what type of bench guy he was.
No, but 285. Like, don't go around.
That's what it is now. But Billy, Billy, Billy.
You were so confident. I assumed you were going to say like 365 or something like that.
I don't have at least three plates on, then you can't come at somebody. Billy, when you go out in public, you represent us, and you're telling people that you benched 285? That's embarrassing, dude.
Well, now, I mean, I'm not like... I dropped...
You guys made fun of me for being fat, so I don't... My body weight's lower.
So when I was like 240, I was benching way more, but then everyone was like, oh, belly football. So fuck, I gotta drop weight now.
I'll be honest with you. I don't care how fat you are.
If you can throw up three plates, then I'm fine with that. I've been in the past.
I'm disappointed with that. And Ryan just being like, I was fucking around this morning and threw up 315.
Like, he wasn't even benching seriously. Dude, he was warming up.
He was just having a laugh. Anyway, love to live with you.
Billy, by the way, don't let them. It's clearly they're getting in your head.
Don't worry about the big thing at all, man. Big as in.
Yeah, well, yeah, but this is a different work dynamic. I think we can all agree on that.
And by the way, when Big Cat says you represent us, Van Pelt said that to me one night and scolded the shit out of me, and it sucked to hear, but it also wasn't a lie. Yeah.
And then later on, I was like, hey. But later on, you become your own person.
You go, I don't want to hear that. Well, what did you do to have him say that? He benched 275.
Fuck. 285.
No, I told somebody to fuck off. Well, I haven't done it in a long time.
I could maybe hit 300. Yeah, I know.
The excuses are coming. Wait, Ryan.
Ryan, what did you say? You told somebody to fuck off? I told somebody to fuck off one night, and he didn't really love it. So whatever.
It was a long story. But you know what? He was fair.
It was fair. It was stern, but it was fair.
But yeah, Billy, seriously, man, you do have long arms. Your arms from this angle look better.
I'm trying to build you up a little bit. Oh, thank you.
Thank you. If you can't put up 315 right now, you shouldn't start stepping to other guys about Max Bench.
I know. I know.
You already knew this. You already this yeah i know you're suspended from cardio billy billy's and i i love you guy ryan i i don't know you i like billy you probably had those guys in uh in at espn so dion once told us it was a very apt thing like about the locker room dynamic he's like there's at least two guys in every locker room that's an i love you guy where you have to check in with him and be like, hey, man, I love you.
Like, straight up, I love you. Just so that they don't go crazy, that's Billy.
No, no, I'm not an I love you guy by any means. Sounds like you're being kind of an I love you.
Tom Brady literally is making love to Antonio Brown to keep him playing football, keeping him living in his house. He's the ultimate I love you guy.
guy you too this is awesome because every time it sounds like big cat's gonna compliment Billy it's no it's not no I mean that's the whole and then every now and then I might be a podcasting I love you guy now I think about yeah you are I love you dude no Billy no for real the podcaster world I mean yo Hank cut this part cut this part I love you dude I I love you, dude. I don't believe that.
Yeah. I love you.
For real. Anyway.
I do like Billy, though. I do.
What's crazy is that he had a big influence on me when I was 18 and we came to ESPN. He doesn't want to hear that, though, Billy, because now he's like.
No, it's a compliment. I was like, that's really cool.
The kid that I looked up to can only bench 285. Time out.
What was the big influence? Well, I just like, we went to his show and it was like really like big for me. I was like, it was like, I was, it was so cool to see like what was going on.
It was like a big moment in my life. Okay, but you're leaving out, you're leaving out a very important part.
You didn't know who I was at all. Look, I'm not, I was eight.
Like, you know, I don't listen to the radio. I was 18.
But now I'm like, I got into that world. I was like, wow.
Like, you know, like podcasting is a gateway drug to radio. Yeah.
Yeah. This is what is it best in show? It's like sting or no Zoolander.
Sting is one of my heroes. I don't really listen to it.
I was like, wow, this guy's really cool. I want to be like this guy.
And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest.
It is actor and now author Matthew McConaughey. His memoir is out October 20th.
It's called Green Lights. It is, I'll say it right now, the coolest memoir of all time, because it is, uh, his life experience teaching you about, uh, how to live life, how to be cool.
But more than anything, you wrote it, you had a journal for 35 years. And then I read that you wrote it, uh, by going to the desert for 52 days without electricity.
Is that true first 12 days were without electricity so i had a generator on me um and i pack up these 36 years worth of diaries i put them in the navigator i buy um 21 and 5 eighth inch ribeyes i ziploc them i get my uh My my long branch. Uh, I get three, five gallon jugs of water and a generator and my laptop and a printer.
And I headed out to this cabin in the desert. So for the first 12 days were, that was me.
And then the other, the other places I went after that were in the desert, but I did leave the generator and got some AC power hookup. So I had a little electricity.
Like going back and reading that stuff. Was that the first time that you'd sat down and read your thoughts? Yeah.
Yeah, it was. I mean, I write this in the book.
I always write things down not to remember. I write things down so I can forget them, you know, so I can go, Oh, jotted that down.
Cool. Now I can forget it.
And that's what I've been doing since I was 14. But I'll mind you, you know, the early stuff at 14, I'm a 14 year old kid, right? And going to my, you know, for this reason that most people go to their diary to write about the shitty stuff to write about, oh, you know, Gretchen broke up with me or, you know, Kathy cook won't go out with me or this worked out, or I got to second base last night or some kind of thing like that.
And then in my early twentiess, I had a time where I was kind of rolling, catching a lot of green lights. I was in college.
My relationships were good, man. I think I was making a little money, had a little money in my pocket.
And I said, you know what, McConaughey, go write in your diary now while you're rolling. Go dissect this success you're having right now because you may get in a rut again, which I did, which we all do.
And you can go back and look at what was I doing when I was rolling? Who was I hanging out with? Where was I going? What was I eating? What was I drinking? How was I seeing the world? So that was something that I was happy I've done through my life is try to write things down when things are going well, because another rut's always coming. And if you keep track and make a little bit of it, there's a science to some satisfaction.
There's some habits that I've found that I've had that have helped me be more satisfied. And they helped me get out of some of those ruts.
You can make a living on that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
There was one quote that you put in your book that you did not expand on,

and I'm curious to hear the entire backstory behind this.

This is like a throwaway line.

If you're Matthew McConaughey, this is how cool you are.

You can just toss this out here and forget that you even said it.

You said, I've done peyote in Rio de Catorce, Mexico,

in a cage with a mountain lion. Yeah.
And you just moved on from that. What's the story? How did that go down? Well, I'm in Raya de Catorce, and I'd gone off on a sunrise walk with the shaman.
And he was in a very cool way that a shaman can do, slowly disseminating the peyote as we hiked up this huge mountain that took hours to hike up and it was an awesome walk and it was an awesome return and when i got back down uh on the property there was this he had this mountain lion in his cage and i get up next to the cage and under so said influences of such peyote i'm getting on the same frequency of the mountain lion. And the mountain lion's getting on the same frequency as McConaughey.
And so now this mountain lion's up next to the gate and kind of just sticking whiskers through. And I'm scratching his under.
And so I get confident that me and this mountain lion are on the same frequency. So I move over to the gate and enter So Said Cage.
Mountain lion jumps around. I move very slowly, making sure to stay on the same frequency as So Said Mountain Lion.
I move over to the corner, slowly sit down. For about an hour, this mountain lion parries back and forth and slowly starts getting a little bit closer and a little bit closer and a little bit closer.
Until he comes up next to me and gets very close to my hand, wanting to get some more itches under his chin like he did when I was outside of the cage. I slowly give him a little scratch.
I don't intrude his space. I lean back.
An hour after that, that son of a bitch is sitting in my lap purring and i sat there for another hour and a half spent about four hours total in the cage then slowly got up and went my way and it was a really incredible experience is that one that you look back on in the diary and you're like you're scared for yourself in the past reading it sober No no no i mean no i was i was you know if you i don't know if you've ever done a peyote trip with just peyote and water and if you do it the right way with the shaman i would say i was incredibly sober um i wasn't out of my mind at all if anything i was more in tune uh than than than than normal uh that's a great thing about peyote done the right way um no i I don't look back on that at all. I look back on that and go, if anything, if you look through the book, there's times I've taken what would be a considered risk that absolutely paid off.
I would have regretted my instincts that I could make that work if I wouldn't have gone in. And you're like that wrestling match in Africa.
If I wouldn't have said yes to that challenge, I'd regret that to this day. Yeah.
And by saying yes to that challenge gave me, he's given me gifts since because of the people I met, the lessons I learned, all kinds of stuff.

It's also, you kind of have like an out there where if things go wrong and Matthew McConaughey

dies tripping on peyote by a mountain lion, like that's pretty much the coolest way to

die.

You're a legend forever right there.

So there's nothing but upside.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, and it'd be part of the food chain.

Right.

If I can go, I hope that's how it is. I hope it's not by a random drive-by.
Right. You live forever.
I'd rather go move on as part of the food chain. Yeah, you live forever in that respect.
There's probably also an element of the mountain lion, just understanding that this was Matthew McConaughey. He's pretty cool.
Like, oh, this guy, this is the dude from the Lincoln commercials. Yeah.
This guy sits in his car

and looks at Longhorn Bulls in the middle of the road and doesn't go around him he decides to let them have the right-of-way turns around and goes his own way yeah all right so i had one last question i uh found this i i love the scene in wolf of wall street when you do the the chest bumping and then i read a story that you that actually you do that before you go and act every single time to pump yourself up so can we do that once can we just do it you want to do the Wolf of Wall Street one or just the Matthew McConaughey whatever you're feeling right now because you said you do it in a different like tune or whatever you're feeling. Hold on.
Hey. Oh.
Hey. Oh.
Stick it to me. Oh.
Oh. Oh.
Oh. Oh.
Yeah, we can do that all day. Oh, man.
What was that bird? That was a cool bird. Yeah, that's fucking sick.
It's a, I'll do that before, you know, before I'm going to go get a speech.

You get nervous or something.

Try it.

It'll get you out of your head.

And it'll sort of also, doing that on your chest will lower your voice and relax you.

And it makes people go, what the fuck is he doing?

Which is also a good tool because they think you're out of your mind, which is usually somewhat true, which gives you an advantage when you go do what you do because you feel like you're on an island. Also, just the human body craves contact.
So you start slapping yourself around a little bit. You're like, okay, now I'm living.
Yeah. This is life.
The blood's flowing, man. Oh, love it.
I love it. Well, this has been awesome, Matthew.
Everything we wanted and more. Good luck trying to get Texas back.
I don't know if that will ever happen, but you'll see. And we'll make the Red Wolves happen, too.
We be in process. We be in process.
All right. See you, man.
See you. Take me off.
Thank you.