Kevin Love, Mystery Teams, And Jamal Murray Is Insane

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Speaker 3 On today's part of my take, we have an extra long interview with Kevin Love, five-time NBA All-Star, gold medalist, NBA champion. We get into everything.
We get into the Cavs.

Speaker 3 We get into his time with LeBron. We get into college, UCLA, Bill Walton,

Speaker 3 pretty much everything.

Speaker 3 And it was an awesome interview. We sat there, we talked.
It was a casual conversation. Also, we might be in...

Speaker 3 His dog was there, too. His dog was there.
Very cute.

Speaker 3 We might be in the market for a new blake uh you'll find that out when you listen to his interview uh before what else we got oh we got sports are back we have uh who's back of the week we have the lottery machine gonna pick everyone right now if you're sitting here and you're and you're your friend's also in awl

Speaker 3 just decide what number you're gonna pick because and then bet it uh we'll do that at the end of every show and we also have billy's list and billy's gonna do hank's taxes for him we just found that out before the show hank don't shake your head billy's gonna do your taxes He's basically a CPA.

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Today is Monday, August 31st, and we are watching sports on TV.

Speaker 3 It is technically sports season. Is it the fall? That wasn't going to happen.

Speaker 3 I don't know about you, Big Cap, but I saw college football on Saturday. Oh, I saw college football on Saturday as well.
It was a terrible game, but that doesn't matter. I also, oh my God, this game.

Speaker 3 We're watching Utah-Denver game six. So for anyone, all the Jazz and Nuggets fans, like, you never talk about the game.
Here is me talking about the game. We're watching it.

Speaker 3 So after, was it Wednesday's show when we said that the Jazz and the Nuggets are the same team? They are. We sat down, we did some sporkles.

Speaker 3 We sporkled, and Jake actually forgot about the Jazz because right after we said he remembered the Nuggets. Yes.

Speaker 3 They should allow whoever wins this game or whoever was the series, they should just allow them to pick up like four players from the other team. And we wouldn't even know.

Speaker 3 So yeah, we had some college football on saturday night it was uh exciting to get the juices flowing even though it was a crappy game uh but we also had this weekend the first sign you know when the temperature gets below 80 and you're like oof is that fall is that fall blowing in here it's not there yet but is it they're never going to score again in this game i thought about putting on

Speaker 3 i thought about putting on long pants this weekend yeah i stepped outside i was like maybe i shouldn't wear shorts i was like no that's crazy talk it's still august i'm rocking my shorts But yeah, there was like a chilly breeze.

Speaker 3 It was, it felt glorious. So we did just go through what like the college football schedule looks like, the bones of the college football schedule.

Speaker 3 It was sad to go through what week two would have looked like with, I think it was like Oregon and Ohio State and Texas LSU. But let's not talk about that.

Speaker 3 Let's talk about sports that we can control right now. The Lakers are on to the next round.

Speaker 3 The Blazers, that was fun, but it's over. The Mavs are eliminated as well.
That was also fun, but it's over. Luca

Speaker 3 is a people, I love when the Clippers finished off the Mavs, the whole story was, well, Luca's arrived. Yeah.
He's arrived. He's a superstar.

Speaker 3 And I'm not going to argue with that, but they also lost the series in the first round. Yeah.
But he's arrived. Yeah, he has arrived.

Speaker 3 It was like, well, you need to put the pieces around. If you get the right pieces around Luca, then they could contend for a championship.

Speaker 3 And it's like, yeah, you could say that about a lot of good players. Right.
If you put the right pieces around him. And they also, they didn't have Chris Stopps.
Yep. So Przingis was out.

Speaker 3 So I think the series would have been a little bit different.

Speaker 3 They also finally had to meet Playoff P, who showed up in the last two games. Playoff P has arrived.

Speaker 3 He only scored 15 points today, actually. Poohover.
Playoff Morris. Playoff Morris.
Dude, Marcus Morris.

Speaker 3 He's such an asshole. The look on his face when he just straight up swung on Luca was hilarious.
He's such an asshole.

Speaker 3 And then Jeff Van Gundy was like trying to figure out, like, should I go down the route of saying like if this happened in the 90s, this was just a normal, like, hard foul.

Speaker 3 And then he had a bunch of people online tweeting you know getting really into it like oh if this was this was how they just shook hands in the 80s right punching you in the face right back when basketball players used to just like they would throw live scorpions at each other on the court back when men were men yeah shaq was shaq was like hey this is just hard basketball it's like shaq you were fucking 700 pounds okay like you can handle someone just slapping you uh you know on the head uh they're never gonna score again in this Denver Utah game and I have the over and they're never gonna since we started taping this podcast actually, since

Speaker 3 PFT said you're good, which was such a fucked up thing to say. Why would you say you're not? He only needs to do that.
You're such a jerk. You're giving me that.
That's such a jerk move to me.

Speaker 3 I was trying to offer support to you. No, but you saying you're good is.

Speaker 3 There's no chance. You would be very happy right now if they were.
You would not be blaming anything on me. But you can't say you're good.
You are good. You're good.
I'm 52 points. No.
I'm not good.

Speaker 3 I get 52 points just getting out of bed in the morning. I'm not good.
It's easy.

Speaker 3 Hank, congratulations on your Celtics winning game one.

Speaker 6 Wagon.

Speaker 3 Killed them. Killed the Raptors.
Was never close. Was never really close.
It really wasn't.

Speaker 3 How are you feeling? Are you feeling like there's maybe some championships? Oh, yeah. Today was a big

Speaker 6 going to smoke the Raptors. Hopefully, you know, all the analysts, like, everyone was picking the Blazers as, you know, the team to watch out for last round.
Everyone's saying the Heat now.

Speaker 6 They're like, oh, everyone, you know, they match up well with the Bucs. Like, they could beat them.
And if we play the Heat in the conference finals, I think we would smoke them, too.

Speaker 3 So are you saying that about the Heat? I'm saying that. Did you just hear me? I bet on the heat to beat the Blazers.

Speaker 6 Charles Barkley, like the whole NBA officer.

Speaker 3 Oh, Charles Barkley.

Speaker 3 The Blazers were going to sweep the Lakers. It was funny, the clip that was, I think I retweeted this morning of the Lakers being an underdog winning 4-1 because half of

Speaker 3 sports media had the Blazers beating the Lakers somehow. They're never going to score again, PFT.

Speaker 3 We just wanted fun. You're good.
You're Gucci. It's going to happen.
Stop saying that. Just say the opposite.
Okay. Fucking damn.
Pick out your fuck. Yeah, I know.
Like, honestly,

Speaker 3 I was trying to gas you up, but you're definitely fucked. It's not.

Speaker 3 Of course I am.

Speaker 3 All right, what else is going on? We have

Speaker 3 what else is going on in sports? What else we got? Golf. Big tens come back.
Big tens come back. Oh, dude, that golf is so good today.
It was so good. Douglas Johnson.

Speaker 3 Hats off to the Course for putting on a good showing up until the very last. The Course had no clutch gene.
Yes. It dominated the entire weekend, just spanked the shit out of all the golfers.

Speaker 3 And then Rahm hits, what, a 65-yard or 65-foot putt? After Bud Johnson hit one on the 18th that he needed to go to the state.

Speaker 3 It was incredible golf.

Speaker 3 Is golf having a moment? I think it is having a moment. And you know what? I was just thinking about this.

Speaker 3 What America needs right now more than anything is something, like, we need a miracle in ice, something that everybody can root for and be on the same team, pulling the same way.

Speaker 3 What we need is Tiger Woods to be in contention on Sunday at the U.S. Open.
Because, like, you remember at the Masters? Yes. Everybody gets behind Tiger on Sundays.
That would be.

Speaker 3 We need a moment in America where we're not, you know, at each other's throats. Or Brooks.
Yeah, or Brooks, either way. Hopefully,

Speaker 3 people would get. Yeah.
Actually, no, I think one or the other. I don't want to have to root against Tiger on Sunday, but I will if Brooks doesn't get to go.

Speaker 3 And we were joking about it, but like, this is why we never should have killed Saddam Hussein because he was the guy we just bring up every 10 years, be like, that's the bad guy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Who's the bad guy? That's the bad guy. Yeah, just run back to the Iraq war every 10 years.
Like, dude, that guy, he's a fucking asshole. All of our problems.
What we should do, problem-solving.

Speaker 3 We should elect a bush every 10 years and then re-invade Iraq. And then everyone is like, yeah, go USA.
Fuck yeah. We're at war.
And now we're good.

Speaker 3 And then we all forget about fighting against each other. Or Tiger be good at golf.
Or Tiger. I'm going to one or the other.
Whatever's the easiest. I don't think that low-energy Jeb is going to win.

Speaker 3 Whatever's the easiest. So let's just get behind Tiger Woods right now.
Whatever's the easiest.

Speaker 3 But it is, it was a good sports weekend. There was,

Speaker 3 I looked at that Saturday board, and it was, I think I had a, I think I bet on every single sport. I had WNBA MLS MLS is back

Speaker 3 there was some weird soccer I I swear to God in England they just create more and more of these cups and trophies that it's like I thought I had a grip on it and then Arsenal was just playing Liverpool for like the community award trophy I saw that it was like the community shield what is going on right now how is this really a cup yeah but the MLS is back again and then it's about to be back again in two weeks so back why does why does the MLS even have an off-season?

Speaker 3 They should just play year-round, right? Why do they have a season? They should just be the sport that's on TV

Speaker 3 or weird times during the week, and you just stumble across it. You probably get more viewers from just like happenstance when there's no other sports on at all.

Speaker 3 Or they should just make it penalty kicks all the time. Dude, the penalty kick channel? Like the red zone? Yeah.

Speaker 3 If MLS was just all penalty kicks all the time, I'd be in.

Speaker 3 Penalty kicks, and in between every penalty kick, it's like it's either porn or it's like those like 15 second pre-rolls that you see on YouTube so you sell an ad like every 15 seconds or it could just be so what happens to me often is I'll watch the Cubs game on the MLB package and afterwards they run these ads and it's pretty much always just like hey you thought you were cooking your steak correctly well here's how you should do it and I just end up watching 20 minutes of some attractive lady and some fat bozo with a chef's hat cooking steak in front of a live studio audience and I can't turn away.

Speaker 3 It's always like some weird painted copper kettle that you cook it into, like some weird thing. It's incredible.
You know what? I think I just solved EML's problem.

Speaker 3 Just call every game in the TV guide listing. Just have it say, like, try not to come challenge DC United versus Orlando.
Boom. And boom, you click on that.
We're ready to do it.

Speaker 3 I bet you I won't nut. Yeah, so it's been a great weekend for sports.
It was a great weekend for sports.

Speaker 3 We got some good second-round matchups coming. Oh, I forgot to mention that the Rockets are now back because Russ is back.

Speaker 3 and I really really want to see the Rockets versus the Lakers because that is a Frankenstein series. It's going to be insane.

Speaker 3 The Rockets are going to play no one over 6-6 and the Lakers are going to play everyone over 6-6.

Speaker 3 And then you're going to get people saying like Dan Tony's system is Mickey Mouse basketball, but it's still going to beat the Lakers. Right.
LeBron James is going to, it's going to be a flop out.

Speaker 3 It makes no sense those two teams playing each other and I'm very excited for it. I want that to go seven.
LeBron James and James Harden driving at each other, both of them flopping at the same time.

Speaker 3 That's going to be must-see TV. Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 All right. So let's get to our who's back.
Hank, you are going to have Billy do your taxes, correct? Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 We were talking about it before the show, and Billy was like, dude, I'm basically a CPA. Billy was like, I'm sick with money.

Speaker 6 He said, I took a class. I was like, Billy, I'm fully as capable as Googling the things that you would Google if you did my taxes.

Speaker 3 Billy will get nice with Quicken. Let me ask you a question.
Did you get a $500 from Cash App last week? I didn't. Exactly.
Well, then Billy's the financial genius. Yeah.
CPA Billy. True.

Speaker 3 Don't have to report that on your taxes. Well, now you do.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It was a gift.
That's their CPA. You don't have to report that on your taxes.
Yeah, that's true. Under

Speaker 3 $5,000. Shawshank redemption.
No, $10,000. No, $20,000.
$10,000, I think. $10,000.
Yeah. Whatever they said in Shawshank.
And Billy's profession at Microsoft Excel.

Speaker 3 As per his resume that he gave us three years ago. I actually know how to use Excel.
How many people do you think have fucked up their taxes just based on that one Shawshank tidbit? Probably so many.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, oh, I saw it in Shawshank. We're good.
Like, I can just give these gifts and we never have to pay taxes on any of it.

Speaker 3 All right, let's get to who's. But then they can break out of jail easier because they know all the truth.

Speaker 3 That's true.

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Speaker 3 Okay, who's back of the week? Hank.

Speaker 6 My who's back of the week is LeBron James losing in the finals.

Speaker 3 Oh.

Speaker 6 So you might be saying to yourself, well, you know, it's only the first round. How could that be true?

Speaker 3 That's what I was saying. Well, shot clock violation.
God fucking damn it.

Speaker 3 That's the worst. I mean, how do you have a shot clock violation? A shot client.
Yeah, when you have the over, that's tough. All right.
You're not going to get this. What a joke.

Speaker 6 LeBron James has a son, also named LeBron James. And today he joined the FaZe Clan esports organization who had a Call of Duty championship match also this afternoon, which they lost.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 no.

Speaker 3 I'm counting that three and seven in the finals, LeBron. Correct.
Well, no.

Speaker 6 LeBron James lost a championship today.

Speaker 3 Correct. So he lost another game in the first round, you might say.
So the Blazers still alive.

Speaker 6 No, it was the championship. It was the championship.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but it's while LeBron James was technically kind of in the first round. No, it was today.
Oh, fuck.

Speaker 3 All right. So you were wrong about the Blazers today.
All right, so Bronny,

Speaker 3 technically, yes, I was wrong about the Blazers. If you want to split hairs, if you really want to get into it.
I'll admit it, if you want to play a numbers game and be a big fucking nerd about it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they lost in, they didn't win in five games, technically.

Speaker 6 The only other thing that's weird about this is like, obviously, he's the number one basketball prospect.

Speaker 6 If all the other prospects start signing with esports organizations, I don't know how that's going to work with college once they're going to go.

Speaker 3 Oh, so we're going to snitch on Bronny. Well, the one and done rule is going to be gone soon.
So, what percentage of FaZe Clan does Coach K own?

Speaker 3 Right. That's my question.
It's dark money that's going into it. No one knows who finances it, right?

Speaker 6 It'll be interesting to see, you know, obviously with him being a little LeBron James of his generation, how that's going to work over.

Speaker 3 Can you go pro in multiple sports? Yes. Okay.

Speaker 6 But But you can be a pro gamer, but an athlete, a student athlete.

Speaker 3 You can't go zero dark 30 if you're a professional e-gamer, though. Right.
You can't log off. Correct.
Right. He just has to quit playing basket.

Speaker 3 His version is stopping exercising while he's in the finals for Faze Clan.

Speaker 3 I like that. That's good.
Who's back? Thanks. PFT.
My Who's Back of the Week. That's the only one, by the way.
Oh, okay. Thanks.
My Who's Back of the Week is Mystery Teams. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Mystery Teams are back in baseball. So does anyone know when the trade deadline is this year? July 31st.

Speaker 3 The Hot Stove League stops July 31st every year. This year, I don't know when it is, but my...
4 p.m. Monday, August 31st.
Whoa! 4 p.m. today.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 So the Padres just like did seven trades tonight.

Speaker 3 It is the Hot Stove League, which also means that it's Bob Nightingale season on Twitter, where you just throw shit up in the air and see if it lasts out there.

Speaker 3 I always laugh when his tweets come across my timeline because his profile picture is just so funny. And he's always wrong.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he looks like an indicted middle middle school teacher on his Twitter picture. But he was saying that there's a mystery team now.
So it's

Speaker 3 not just the Padres that are going after Mike Clevenger. It's also a mystery team who has improved their offer.

Speaker 3 So I don't think... Are these mystery teams ever real? Yeah.
Does the mystery team ever get the guy? Yes, there's always been. Yeah, no, the mystery team's gotten guys.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So swooping in last second. Franchise mode.

Speaker 3 Like when you start a new team in Madden and you take everybody else. But yeah, I guess the mystery team is now the front runner.
So he's he's the guy that got COVID, right?

Speaker 3 Or he like skipped out on no, Zach Please, but I think Clevenger did too. I think Clevenger was pissed at Zach Plisak.
I can't remember that. I think Clevenger is it might they both violated protocol.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, I think Clevenger got it, but they both like won out or something, right? Right, he fucked his way out of Cleveland, okay. The old Delante West.
Um, all right, is that it? Yep, okay.

Speaker 3 Uh, my who's back is well, I got two. The first is uh, everyone tweeting about the Jaguars, how short a defensive window is, because Giannik Ngakwe.
Did I nail that? You absolutely crossed it.

Speaker 3 That felt good. Giannik.
Giannick. Giannick Ngakwe

Speaker 3 traded to the Vikings. That's going to be a problem in the NFC North.

Speaker 3 But everyone was talking about how they were in the AFC Championship game in 2017, and they now have two starters left from that game. They had six Pro Bowlers that year on defense, all gone.

Speaker 3 Weird that none of them mentioned that Blake Bortles is also gone. It feels like that's when it started to go downhill.
That's the real story.

Speaker 3 Yeah, okay, so they lost Jalen Ramsey and like a bunch of really good linebackers and defensive ends.

Speaker 3 But the real story is you have to score points in this league if you want to compete in an AFC championship game, and they got rid of the quarterback.

Speaker 3 I'm just excited for the Vikings' defense to be great, and then Kirk Cousins to let them down.

Speaker 3 Also, you think I'm worried about Yannick and Gakwe? Jimmy Graham's going to block that ass. Everyone knows Jimmy Graham is an elite blocker.

Speaker 3 I've forgotten the different weapons that the Bears have added this offseason, but they got Ted Ginn and Jimmy Graham dynamic through

Speaker 3 2000. Yeah, 2011 through 2016 also.
When they first got it, I had a tweet that was, if we just get half of their production from last year, we're going to be great.

Speaker 3 And it was then an asterisk that said, actually, it's 2013 because they both had like, I think they combined had like 20 touchdowns. Also, Jimmy Graham played basketball in college.
True.

Speaker 3 He could probably just box. We're not, right? We're good.

Speaker 3 All right. So we also, my other who's back is Darren Revelle pissing off all of Twitter, which he does intentionally, but he did it on Friday night.
He's weird.

Speaker 3 He somehow made a famous celebrity's death about him. Chadwick Boseman, which was very, very sad.

Speaker 3 You probably saw him, Black Panther, also Vantae Mack. Not going to, I mean, that was maybe not his best role.
That was my introduction to Chadwick Bozeman. But Devontae Mac, no matter what.

Speaker 3 But yeah, Ravel did the, he tweeted about how he died on Jackie Robinson Day, and he played Jackie Robinson, and he was 42, and Jackie Robinson played 42.

Speaker 3 Jackwick Boseman was 43, and then everyone got mad at him.

Speaker 3 I have a plea for the internet, though. Ravel just wants attention.

Speaker 3 So, when everyone replies to him and calls him an asshole,

Speaker 3 that's the happiest he can possibly be. I think his heart was in the right place on this tweet.

Speaker 3 He just wanted to point out a series of numbers that were the same as other numbers that were involved in someone, a beloved celebrity who had just died. Right.
That's what Revell wanted.

Speaker 3 He wanted to be the first to be like, look at these cool stats about this guy who died tragically.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he wanted to bring awareness to the fact that 42 was also featured in a movie that he was in, which happened to be his age. But like, are you really going to get mad at Ravel for that?

Speaker 3 Everyone replying to him being like, delete this dude. I also,

Speaker 3 it tickles me when I see those people because they're like, this is not right. It's like, if you are honoring Chadwick Boseman so well, you're spending your night arguing with Ravel.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Ravel has won. Yeah, like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 3 You're so

Speaker 3 beat up about his death that you spent the night night going at Ravel.

Speaker 3 I actually think that Ravel, shockingly, would be one of very few people on Twitter that people would pay money to read his tweets. And not because they like his tweets.
No, but they want to know.

Speaker 3 Like, being able to dunk on Darren Revelle online is actually worth an admission price. Right, but it's also become a sport that's not even a sport anymore.
It's like breathing.

Speaker 3 It's like you just do it.

Speaker 3 He tweets something, we dunk on him. It's kind of...
At least there was no video in this one. Yeah, that's true.
Billy, you're a who's back. I have two who's backs of the week.
Whoa, comes prepared.

Speaker 3 First one is Kim Jong-un is back from the coma. Oh, really? What about his sister? He reappeared.
His sister has now disappeared.

Speaker 3 So they think that he did a little switch to make sure to see who's loyal to him.

Speaker 3 She got a sex change.

Speaker 3 And now she's Kim Jong-un. Second who's back, also sort of communist-related, is the former Republic of Yugoslavia.

Speaker 3 Joseph Nurkic posted a picture of him, and he goes, Some Balkans boys, and it's a picture of Donkic, Bogdan, Boyan, Jokic, Vokovic, Dragic,

Speaker 3 and just all those European dudes.

Speaker 3 And I was realizing that all those guys, where the countries they come from, are all in the former Republic of Yugoslavia.

Speaker 3 So like they're, like, if that, if Yugoslavia remained today, their Olympic team, national team would actually be pretty good.

Speaker 4 And it could maybe live.

Speaker 3 There were really good athletes back in the day. Like, Yugoslavian soccer team was pretty good.
Their basketball team's always nice. That was just ASMR for Mark Cuban, too.
What you just did. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He was just like, say those names again.
Porzingis. Do it.
Do it again.

Speaker 3 Donkic, Bogdan Bogdovic.

Speaker 3 Bojan Bogdovnovich. Yo, how fat is Donkic's ass? Buch.

Speaker 3 Get him.

Speaker 3 Dragic. Yo, have you ever seen a donk like this?

Speaker 3 Smelajic, Zubek, Marjanovic.

Speaker 3 99 problems, but itch ain't one. It should have been a caption for that.
Anyway.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay. Yugoslavia.
Great job. Great job.
Yugoslavia is a sick name for a country, too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm tired of having to remember both bodies. So it's not a country.

Speaker 3 It's not a country anymore. Oh, yeah.
That's why it's used back. That's news to me.
Billy has gone full country. It's not back to Yugoslavia.
Billy's reuniting the Eastern Bloc countries.

Speaker 3 Anyway, a lot of these guys.

Speaker 6 Wait, so it's Yugoslavia in the USSR?

Speaker 3 They were part, yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, I don't know if they're like a satellite country. I don't know the history of Yugoslavia.
You're just talking to me on the side.

Speaker 3 You just looked at me and stopped talking to the mic and just look like, what did you say to me? No, I was.

Speaker 3 You should have a sidebar with me. Well, yeah, it's just kind of cool they can all sit at the same table because a lot of the countries they have like ethnic rivalries and stuff.

Speaker 3 So it's kind of a big show of unification of people getting a lot of people. Give pieces a chance.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 exactly. Right.
Peace is back. Right.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 All right. Let's get to our interview.
Awesome interview coming up with with Kevin Love. Really, really great.
Cannot recommend it enough. Before we do that.

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Speaker 3 Okay, here he is, Kevin Love.

Speaker 3 Okay, we now welcome on very, very special guest, five-time All-Star, NBA champion, gold medalist, Kevin Love. Kevin,

Speaker 3 would you rather be a gold medalist or an NBA champion? It's kind of the mellow question here.

Speaker 3 Which one was more important to you?

Speaker 4 I think for a legacy piece, probably,

Speaker 4 I mean, I think 100% it's the

Speaker 4 2016 championship.

Speaker 3 That's wrong. Why do you hate America? No, that's the reason.

Speaker 4 I love America, but America is such a superpower in general, let alone basketball. But like, you know, we could look at who we got to put on the floor.
It was a 20-year anniversary of the dream team.

Speaker 4 They were talking to us about being, you know, the second version of that, 2008, coming off the Redeemed team. But like, you know, we're supposed to win.

Speaker 3 So Big Cat said you were, what, a six-time all-star? Five-time all-star? Five-time. Do you really consider yourself a five-time all-star?

Speaker 3 Because that first one, that was David Stern being like, Kevin's going to fill in for Yao Man. RIP.
Yeah, RIP. But do you count that as an all-star?

Speaker 4 It's It's kind of an asterisk by it. I always tell everybody, it's like, okay,

Speaker 4 I've kind of, as far as being an all-star, getting accolades in the NBA, like I've been a six-man, most improved player, all-NBA. I've been an all-star starter.

Speaker 4 I've been an all-star straight up as a reserve, and I've been an injury replacement. So that first one, yeah, was a little like, you would think I would have called him up and asked him,

Speaker 3 but we'll never know. By the way, I did a bad job starting the interview.
I wanted to ask, do you want the hard questions first or the easy questions first?

Speaker 3 Well, I heard something about Primo box so yeah yeah do you want do you want the i don't i think we you want the hard question loose a little bit give me all right you want all right you want to get loose wet my beak what does it like being so great at everything kevin great at everything uh-huh

Speaker 3 um

Speaker 3 that's a loaded question uh that's an easy question just see yeah this is one of the softball ones i got the reason yeah you're just leading me in i don't know where you're headed with this but it's it's pretty fucking sweet yeah yeah yes i would imagine all right easy question um so the obviously the bubble's going on right now We're actually recording this right after the Bucs and the stoppage on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 Do you feel like you're being a little left out because of, like, everyone's talking about the NBA? Everyone's watching the NBA. The bubble has been fantastic.

Speaker 3 And for the teams that aren't involved, it's got to suck. Yeah, I mean, you got to commend,

Speaker 4 you know, it's hard for me not to say

Speaker 4 David Stern, but Commissioner Silver and everything that, I mean, CP on the player side, Michelle Roberts,

Speaker 4 you know, all the players too, because what they've been doing down there, the product's been amazing. Yes.

Speaker 4 It's almost like watching

Speaker 4 a heightened pickup game.

Speaker 4 These scores have been in the 130s, 140s. Guys are putting up monster numbers.
You saw what Luca did the other night.

Speaker 4 Donovan Mitchell 50 twice in Jamal series. Jamal Murray's coming back, and guys are talking shit.
And

Speaker 4 Luca and Montrez Harrell are going back and forth. You mentioned Murray saying, you know, you can't guard me.

Speaker 4 Lakers are putting, I mean, full playoff mode now after even myself saying it would be a good series between them and the blazers but i talked to jj the other day reddick about relevancy and us being in the delete aid and going into our own bubble and and having to play and not knowing we're going to play into next season but yeah it is really hard not to be a part of this but thankfully we have our i mean like you guys too it's it's you know our platforms in order to not only be backed in our messaging but the nba pushes us that's why it's great on all sides they push us into talking about you know certain messages or social injustice or everything that's going on with COVID.

Speaker 4 And it's a global game. And we had Yannis, who's Greek freak, obviously from Greece, MVP.
We have

Speaker 4 Slovenian that was rookie of the year last year.

Speaker 4 Obviously, everybody knows who that is, and Luca. And then from the Cameroon, I mean, we have the most improved player, Siako.
So, like, it's a global game.

Speaker 3 Oh, I forgot Andrew Wiggins. Canadian.
Canadian. Yeah.
Yeah. Kyrie.
Andrew Wiggins.

Speaker 4 Kyrie, Australian. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Very global.

Speaker 4 People wouldn't know. Deli.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 4 Big Deli has his own children's book. You know, Reaching That Younger Demo.

Speaker 3 I need to read that. Wow.
No, but it's a big one.

Speaker 4 He's like the Rudy of professional sport, like NBA.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I love him.
I mean, I always go back to after you guys won the championship when he was wearing that Hawaiian shirt hoodie, getting pictures with two coronas in his hands. Yeah.

Speaker 3 How good of a time did he have celebrating that?

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 funny you asked that. He was behind me.

Speaker 4 Like I had this, you know, convertible, you know, cut the roof off, whatever, you know phantom I don't even think it was like a ghost right Rolls-Royce and behind me he has like a fiat right and everybody's going crazy for Delhi because he's like a folk hero yeah and like Delhi should almost have a statue himself in Cleveland because every time he checks into a game and the the year before in 2015 if you guys don't remember he had to guard staff for like 40 minutes plus a game yeah and there was I forget what game it was after.

Speaker 4 It was like four or five. It was at our place.
So it must have been three or four because they had the the better recording than us. They had home courts.
The Warriors did.

Speaker 4 Came back, and I remember his whole body was just gone. They put him on IVs.

Speaker 3 He was cramping throughout his entire party. I've never seen it.

Speaker 4 He almost had to go to the hospital.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So like he gives everything to the game. So I appreciate that.
But I remember like, you know, I'm standing up. I got the two belts.
I got the cigar. You know, I

Speaker 3 took.

Speaker 4 Tristan's Cuban link and was wearing it. So I was sweet, you know.
And

Speaker 4 Meanwhile, Deli's just getting all the love from the back.

Speaker 4 I'm sitting up, I'm like, you know, in the big three, third guy, you know, what's up? And then Deli's just getting so much love.

Speaker 3 He should put a statue. It should be him like hitting Clay Thompson the nuts as his statue.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and it's made out of like brick or nails or some shit.

Speaker 3 Did he ever piss you off in practice? Like when he'd go harder than everybody else? Yes. Yeah.
Would LeBron ever go?

Speaker 4 And then when you would retaliate, it's funny. Like there's a situation where, you know, because he was going against Kyrie and he made Kyrie a lot better.

Speaker 4 Anybody who he plays, he's making a lot better. And there was a point where Kyrie just had enough, and we might have lost a couple games

Speaker 4 in a row, excuse me. And if we, that's the thing.
Like, we actually, I felt like because we had LeBron,

Speaker 4 there's just so much that comes with that. So therefore, there was so much pressure on us to win, especially in the East.
So like.

Speaker 4 Anytime we lost two games in a row, the world was coming crumbling down, especially in those first couple years.

Speaker 3 And,

Speaker 4 you know, Kyrie comes into practice. They're going after it.
You know, tensions are high. It's kind of midway through the season.

Speaker 4 And like, you know, there was a push, a shove, punches, thrown, the whole thing. And Deli's just like, you know, why don't we do that to the other team? Mike?

Speaker 4 Mike? Why would we do that to the other time?

Speaker 3 It's a good point. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And honestly, when you say it like that in that Australian accent, he does make a good point.

Speaker 4 If it would have been me, you know.

Speaker 3 So you mentioned

Speaker 3 LeBron and being on the big three.

Speaker 3 I'm

Speaker 3 a biased LeBron hater. So so I just want that out there so everyone understands where it is coming from.

Speaker 4 I think that's a common thread at Barstall. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 No, we have, he's fun to laugh at. I do think that he's the best basketballer.
Although I have an alternate persona of Laker Dan, but yes,

Speaker 3 I'm a LeBron hater. So,

Speaker 3 but I've always thought he is not a bad teammate, but his energy makes it difficult for his teammates to kind of exist. Because, like you said, like when you win,

Speaker 3 it's LeBron. And when you lose, it's usually his supporting cast isn't good enough.

Speaker 4 did you feel that like did you feel on on a given night like if things go wrong it's probably going to be on me not lebron well i definitely thought that i actually mentioned that to jj the other day it was a lot of the onus when we lost or had troubles was

Speaker 4 you know i would say most of the time pointed at me like we had a new coach we were getting to getting to know each other there was a bunch of hiccups road bumps along the way but you know for me it was i was coming from a situation where i was getting almost 20 shots a game in Minnesota.

Speaker 4 And with that starting unit, whenever I was in, we were rolling. I was catching the ball at the elbow.

Speaker 4 I was playing the game from the inside out, how I was always taught, like getting back to OG basketball. But, you know, then I then

Speaker 4 either at the break, we call it the titty sometimes, excuse me, 2020, can't say that, or I was in the corner, just spreading the floor.

Speaker 4 So we had two guys, you know, we had a freight train playing downhill, and then Kyrie, who you guys is just a magician. He's

Speaker 4 one of the best ball handlers ever and best below the roam rim

Speaker 4 finisher, excuse me, I've ever seen in my life. So we had to do whatever we could and sacrifice.
And I felt like I had to sacrifice the most in my game, especially,

Speaker 4 in order to get the best out of them and the rest of our team. So for me, it was, yeah, there was

Speaker 4 a lot of layers that went to that. But in figuring it out, it did take me a long time.

Speaker 4 But I do say this about LeBron, and people laugh when I say this, but he has such a gravitational pull in general that he's like a planet, right?

Speaker 4 So if he wants to come in and he wants practice to be hard, if his energy is up, we're going hard.

Speaker 4 If he comes in and he's not talking to anybody, if he's, you know, pissed off in a bad mood, we've lost two in a row and that's warranted, we're going to be stoking.

Speaker 4 We're going to be, so everybody is kind of hanging on to see how he's going to react to certain things. And he catches a lot of eyeballs.
He's just, that's who he is. It's LeBron James.

Speaker 4 So I think there is a lot to that. But on the other side, it actually lifts you up and makes you a lot better.

Speaker 4 And I think that's why, and I truly do believe that we were probably the most talented, underachieving team in regular season almost ever.

Speaker 4 Like, if you look at us on paper, you should say, oh, they should win 60-plus games every year. 100%.
Right. And we're going, you know, it's still top heavy in the Western Conference.

Speaker 4 So, therefore, we're only playing those teams twice. It's not like we're playing them four times, two at our place, two on the road, like we do at the Eastern Conference teams.

Speaker 4 So, you would imagine we would

Speaker 4 get 60-plus wins, at least 55 wins every single year, and should be

Speaker 4 the first team in the Eastern Conference and potentially contending for home court advantage in the finals. But again, come playoff time, come finals time, we were locked in.

Speaker 4 And a lot of that has to do with our identity and who LeBron Edison was.

Speaker 3 During the regular season, because I'm always interested in this,

Speaker 3 would he, like, if you guys had a bad spell, was he like, yeah, I don't care because it's not the playoffs yet? Because I always kind of respected that part of LeBron's game is that he...

Speaker 4 He saw the bigger picture.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you see teams will

Speaker 3 go balls to the wall in February. You're like, what are you doing? Like, this isn't.

Speaker 4 Would he consciously let the team know like hey we're trying to win but we're also not trying to get burnt out in the middle of January yeah I think he understands I mean I feel like we pretty much had our identity down when it came to playoff time that even that first year in 14-15.

Speaker 4 But I think it changes every series changes every kind of I guess you could say section or time of the season because I think throughout you want to continue to trend in a direction where it's conducive to win-income playoff time.

Speaker 4 So being locked in, continuing to string together as many wins as you could, like, that's great. But I think when we got to,

Speaker 4 you know, the 2017 finals or even that year,

Speaker 4 which I thought was our, I still do believe to this day, our most talented team.

Speaker 4 And, you know, we lost 4-1 in the finals, which is tough. I mean, a 73-9 team added Kevin Durant, one of the greatest players of all time.
I mean, that's, they added another MVP to the team.

Speaker 4 That's tough. But, you know, I really

Speaker 4 do feel like

Speaker 3 we

Speaker 4 kind of

Speaker 4 not like the foot off the gas but i'm thinking deep here is that we just really wanted to make sure that we were rested we were in the right place mentally so really seating didn't matter for us right and home court at least in the eastern conference didn't matter for us because we knew when we we locked in and we knew ty lu was so great

Speaker 4 when it came to X's and O's, when it came to play calling, when it came to after timeouts, when it came to just schemes

Speaker 4 for defenses or what we were doing on the offensive end throughout the playoffs.

Speaker 4 So we knew come playoff time that we were comfortable, we knew our identity, and moving forward, we were going to be great regardless of the seating. So I think Braun got pissed if we lost any game.

Speaker 4 And I think we took that personal as well. So, and the outside noise played a big part too.
Like, you try to say, oh, you don't listen to it, don't listen to it, but it finds you.

Speaker 4 It's just, we live in 2020, you know, it's an attention economy. Like, so much is getting put into that, right?

Speaker 3 Interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So, like, it just is part of it. You try to get away from it.
It's even like through COVID or the social injustice stuff.

Speaker 4 It's like you try to stay away from it, keep informed, but it's going to find you. And that's just kind of how it was for us.
It was a little bit of a soap opera, and we really did thrive under chaos.

Speaker 4 The more chaotic, the better we did, for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 2016 in the finals, game seven, the end of the game. You're supposed to lock down Steph Curry.
Were you afraid in that moment or were you like,

Speaker 3 if I were you, and this is probably why I'm not a basketball player, a professional basketball player, besides being only five, ten and a half, but if you were, if that were me, I would be contract height.

Speaker 3 Shitty, I'm five, I'm actually five, eight, but if I say five, ten or a half, nobody's

Speaker 3 six feet.

Speaker 3 Well, with these shoes, by the way, these are six shoes because they give me three inches, and they're not actually lifts. So technically, I guess I am six feet right now.

Speaker 3 But if I were you and I were in that position, I would just be shitting myself. I'd be like, I hope I don't fuck this up.
Is that what you were thinking, or were you like, I got this?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, naturally, you're going against the, I mean, first time ever unanimous MVP, right? This team 73-9. But again, I forgot to mention preparation when I came to

Speaker 4 Tylu and our team in general. Like, we had gone over that particular play.

Speaker 4 I mean, hundreds of times, gone through it in film hundreds of times, had seen it throughout the game, especially in their fourth quarter package, a number of times, because they knew that we were switching most of the time, one through five, and

Speaker 4 that I was on Draymond. So I was guarding the four.

Speaker 4 You know, he was going to set the flare for Clay, and we weren't going to switch that, come over the top. And then when he set the screen for Steph, and I think JR might have ended up on

Speaker 4 Draymond after that. But I always say it was actually, you know, I played great defense, but as far as a defensive scheme and play, it was actually a bad defensive possession.

Speaker 4 Because I wasn't supposed to let, I was supposed to deny the ball back to Steph, and I let him get the ball back.

Speaker 4 So Draymond had caught it kind of in the corner, was like, okay, I need, I'm going to need Steph to make this play because he's done it time and time again.

Speaker 4 And, you know, he throws it back to him. I'm actually supposed to deny that.
You know, luckily, I kept my feet down,

Speaker 4 you know, knew everything was at stake. But I think...
Part of the reason I was able to do that in that moment was because, yes, first of all, I was locked in. We went through it so many times.

Speaker 4 We prepared so many times. And that was a play that really stuck out to us in late game situation.
But I more than anything, it was my mindset changed in the series. You know, I come off a concussion.

Speaker 4 I hadn't played the next game in game three. We ended up winning.
So I'm like, I'm just going to focus on defense and rebounding.

Speaker 4 That's all I'm going to focus on here. So when that time came,

Speaker 4 I was more ready than I probably otherwise would have been had I not decided to focus on that.

Speaker 3 If he drives on you, though. I'll found the shit out of you.
Oh, you would have found him. No, it's funny because

Speaker 3 he did. It was good defense, but he also.

Speaker 4 I was guarding the three.

Speaker 3 You got to be like, thank God

Speaker 3 he took a shot there and not.

Speaker 4 And I've seen him make that shot.

Speaker 3 I mean, we all have to time and time again against even bigger players.

Speaker 4 Right. He comes back the next year in the finals.

Speaker 4 I think it might have been game one, maybe I think it might have been game two where they blew us out because game one was crazy, really suspect, foul call, the whole thing.

Speaker 4 Charge block, they went, you know, called it a charge, went back, so it was a blocking foul. That was suspect.
So it just had never happened before. It was unprecedented

Speaker 4 in a game, especially especially of that magnitude, an NBA Finals game. Braun has one of the best finals performances of all time.

Speaker 4 We go out there, I have a big game, guys are playing great, guys are ready for the moment, and then we lose. It's like that just took the wind out of our sails.

Speaker 3 So wait, so I'm sorry. So yeah, so you're like just

Speaker 3 so that play, but in general, as a bigger guy, when you get on an island with a guy with sick handles, a point guard, are you just like in the back of your head like, this fucking sucks?

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. I mean, it's tough.

Speaker 4 In today's nba it's it's tough because and and you know there's no hand checking anymore it's been like that for a while but it's such a pace and space league now i mean take a look at the rockets they're the best example of it uh you know there's a number of teams that you know

Speaker 4 i did a a story with with jackie mcmullen who you know was was talking about the new era of the big men And it said in the last five, she said in the last five years, because we have advanced stats now and analytics for every single team, like we base kind of sometimes what we do on that, right?

Speaker 4 And numbers tell a story. So she was saying that 50% of, I mean, excuse me, post-touches are 50%

Speaker 4 down in the last five years. I believe it.
So you don't see a traditional fiveman anymore. You even have guys like, I mean, you know, we were talking about Milwaukee earlier.

Speaker 4 You have Brooke Lopez out there shooting threes. You have Marcus Saul out there shooting threes.
Even Val Chunis out there shooting threes. Joel M.
Biede out there shooting threes.

Speaker 3 Not well, but yeah, he's out there shooting threes. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 If you don't have that in your game, it's almost almost like, you know, can I put him in in certain situations? Because you have to guard. You have to switch.
You have to guard ones and twos.

Speaker 4 You have to guard a staff. You have to guard a Kyrie.
You have to guard a Russell Westbrook, a James Harden. So switching onto them in the open floor and asking for help is already a disadvantage.

Speaker 4 Daniel Lillard, the same way. It's hard to do.

Speaker 3 Stephen Adams can't really play in the series against the Rockets. Like that's kind of what it is.

Speaker 3 He's playing, but you can't play him long minutes because it doesn't really fit with what you're doing.

Speaker 4 You help off of PJ Tucker. He's getting in the corner.
You're shooting threes. He shot the most, and I think he had maybe even the highest percentage of anybody in the league from

Speaker 4 that corner there. And he's 6'5 ⁇ .
Steve Adams, seven foot, and they're not able to take advantage of that. They go double.
Somebody else has to beat you.

Speaker 4 So, again, to answer your question, yeah, I think if I would have funneled him into the lane, we probably would have had to help.

Speaker 4 And maybe they would have kicked it out to Clay or kicked it out to another player, but we would have made somebody else beat us.

Speaker 4 But in that moment, you know, he even said it too. It's funny.
He came out in Arco and said, I should have driven past Kevin Love. I could have done it easily.
Yeah, that's fair, but you didn't.

Speaker 3 If I were you, I would watch the replay of that just like still nervous and think to myself, shit, I hope he doesn't drive.

Speaker 4 Yeah, by the way, I still watch that. I've never watched the game in its entirety.
I've never watched the game. By the way, first half, the first half of the game isn't even worth watching.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because then JR comes out and I think they're up eight points. He has two threes and scores a layup.
But

Speaker 4 I don't even watch the first half. I can remember walking

Speaker 4 back to the locker room with James Jones, who now works in the front office for the Phoenix Suns, really close friend friend of mine and he I looked at him I said does this even feel like a game seven and you know he had been a part of all the finals runs with

Speaker 3 with

Speaker 3 Braun and he's like no really yeah, and then the locker room at halftime

Speaker 3 Where's it like where's the energy?

Speaker 4 Where's the you know, we need accountability So we came out in the second half and we were we were we were locked in and ready to go So the second half is amazing. Yeah, it's incredible.

Speaker 4 And I remember the last four minutes. I'm sitting here like this at a timeout, but I remember the last four minutes, really, nobody scored.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Kyrie hit that big shot, and Braun had the block, the stop, whatever you,

Speaker 4 and Braun went to the free throw line, hit the one free throw, put us up four.

Speaker 4 But I can remember sitting down, so it always went Braun at the front, Kyrie, or excuse me, JR,

Speaker 4 myself, I was in the middle,

Speaker 4 Tristan, and then Kyrie was always at the end.

Speaker 3 So LeBron and Kyrie on opposite sides of each other.

Speaker 3 Yes. Got it.
As far away from each other as possible, you would say. I think both of them wanted to feel like they could leave a huddle.
No, no, yeah, no, you know what I mean? I get you. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 So you're sitting there? Yeah, so I'm sitting there.

Speaker 4 Nobody's saying a word, but I can remember looking, like, everybody's going crazy. I have Phil Knight sitting right there.
Lynn Merritt, who's the head of Nike Global Basketball. I see, you know,

Speaker 4 Guy Fieri. Yeah, Guy Fury's obviously there.
By the way, if you guys had Guy Fury on the show, we would love to.

Speaker 3 There before the grace of Guy Fury, Diners Drive-ins and Drives. I mean, like, that's a big list.

Speaker 4 That could be like a conversational pivot, but no,

Speaker 4 but I just remember, you know, I think everybody, like, we even had our fans there, the, you know, hundred people that were up there, friends and family.

Speaker 4 And, you know, we're in this chaotic Coliseum type experience, like, they just let the lions out, right? And I just remember looking at everybody like,

Speaker 3 oh, wow, we're like, we're going to win this.

Speaker 3 We're locked in.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 like, I'll never, unless you're in that moment and the guys are all locked in and around, because typically guys are going doing their own thing and and talking whatever guys are you know loose with with the huddle most of the time like we just we excelled a lot of the time because of how much talent we had but we were so locked in and when Ty Lou came in and sat down he just kind of looked at us drew up the play and I actually believe that might have been when you know Kyrie we came down in the possession and he hit the big shot but that type of thing you just can't draw up but I just remember how locked in we were and that still today like resonates with me in such a big way.

Speaker 3 In those finals, because hearing basketball players talk, and Kevin Durant always talks about how much he appreciates just great basketball.

Speaker 3 Did you have moments when you're in any of those finals, you're like, this is just insanely good basketball? Like, the level that both these teams are playing at, and

Speaker 3 the margin for error is so razor-thin, like, this is, did you have a chance to appreciate it?

Speaker 4 Yeah, actually, getting back to walking into the locker room at halftime, and it's a long walk at Oracle, R.I.P. Oracle.
I mean, it's not gone, but it's moved into the city.

Speaker 4 But to us, it's gone, which is too bad because what a great arena to play. Obviously, hate the fans, but also love the fans at the same time.
Loud place. But we're walking back.
It's a long walk. And,

Speaker 4 you know, I think the margin for error question is great because

Speaker 4 this is a team that we're playing against in the Warriors that if they get it to double digits,

Speaker 4 You you get in your brain. You're like, oh man, like you very seldom do you come back from double digits to this team.
They have so much firepower.

Speaker 4 Clay and Steph get going.

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 4 Dre is doing his thing. He's in the running from defensive player of the year every single year.
And they just have the thing rolling. If they get Oracle going, it's so loud.

Speaker 4 It's a tough place to play. Really, really tough.
Maybe the hardest at that time because they were 73-9. It's so good.

Speaker 4 But we knew that if we didn't make up any of our ground from that eight-point deficit, that if it got to double digits, we could be in trouble, especially in the second half.

Speaker 4 Guys are going to get a little, you know, assholes are going to get tight. Guys are going to get a little bit more tense.

Speaker 4 You know, guys are going to start doing things outside of maybe even their character or their game.

Speaker 4 And, you know, for that to happen to us would have been, you know, pretty tough because you've seen it time and time again, even in the playoffs and finals games as well.

Speaker 4 We saw it the next year when we played them. Like if you give them enough of

Speaker 4 a discrepancy, they're going to take advantage of it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they scored nine points in like 30 seconds. Yeah.
It's almost like you have to be up by 10 at halftime because in that third quarter, they can come out and get the best.

Speaker 3 And they're the best third quarter team in the league. They'll go on like a 16-0 run like that.

Speaker 3 And they're capable of that quick. Yeah.

Speaker 4 They get the crowd going, stuff's going. You know, it's just,

Speaker 4 it's a tough, tough place to play. And being on the road like that, we had to be locked in.
So that the margin for error was incredibly, incredibly low.

Speaker 3 That must have felt just incredible, though, after you did accomplish it. You win the championship.

Speaker 3 And then I almost think that it's better that you were coming back from the West Coast because you got to take all these detours on the way. You got to party, right? You have to have a great time.

Speaker 3 Jared Smith didn't put a shirt on for what, like a week?

Speaker 4 I mean, I feel like it was the whole summer.

Speaker 3 He was playing Canterbury in

Speaker 4 Cleveland. He was playing in the golf course with his shirt on.

Speaker 3 You're like, sir, first of all, you have to tuck it in.

Speaker 4 I'm like, oh, you know what? We'll just let it go. Well, the coolest thing was, so I'll talk about the detour after I say this, but I went to New York after the fact.

Speaker 4 And like, everywhere we went, we were saying, like, what's up, Champ? Like, oh, we got this. Take care of you.
Oh, this is on us. Oh, this is from the table over here sending you champagne.

Speaker 4 It's like, it was pretty

Speaker 4 a pretty amazing amazing ride and all things considered like unprecedented coming back from 3-1 city of cleveland 50 year 52 year drought for a major sports championship like that was that was really cool and going back to the deli thing like seeing the uh the parade you know they put all the barricades up but it seemed like everybody from the the bordering states everybody came in and they came into cleveland to to show their love if they were a calves fan and put the barricades up we're supposed to be a 45-minute deal go down east 9th 9th Street, and then just, you know, go near the water where the Browns play and have this, you know, epic

Speaker 4 sound stage and just a huge field of a ton of people. But it was a three and a half hour thing because they broke through the barricades.
And then if you've seen the photos, which are great,

Speaker 4 everybody's right next to the car. I can remember the security car that we had got his foot ran over like three times.

Speaker 3 So he's sweating.

Speaker 4 I was 100 degree day, like, you know, I'm smoking a cigar, like pouring, you know, all the alcohol and wine that I've had the last three days.

Speaker 4 We had a party and went went out the night before at my house, started there and went out. So we were out till four or five in the morning.
They shut down the streets for us. So like

Speaker 4 it was, it was a lot.

Speaker 3 You started playing beer pong at your house, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 We had three bars set up. It was pretty sweet.

Speaker 3 Did you see the video of the guy eating shit?

Speaker 3 There was a Cavs fan in the parade.

Speaker 3 I was going to say at my house. No, no, no, no, no.
Maybe. I don't know.
Yeah, who knows?

Speaker 3 We didn't have the dog yet. I mean, Jare might have been pretty high in some shit.
Good to him at the time. But

Speaker 3 at the parade,

Speaker 3 people were like flooding the street. Like you mentioned, they had the police horses, and the horses were shitting in the street.

Speaker 3 And one Cavs fan was so excited that he just runs out into the middle of the road, picks up a piece of horse shit, and eats it, and then turns to the crowd. Everybody applauds for him.

Speaker 3 So you had a big hand in that. Does that make you feel good?

Speaker 3 Or do you want to say thank you to the guy that you're going to be able to do?

Speaker 4 Yeah, thank you to the guy that decided to eat horse shit.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I hope it was

Speaker 4 a stallion or, you know, I'm trying to think of

Speaker 3 Clydesdale. Yeah, I thank you.

Speaker 4 Clydesdale would be more restricted.

Speaker 3 I can show you the video if you'd like to watch it. I would love to watch it.

Speaker 4 We can get a reaction.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 let me interject for one last second here. Oh, first of all, and I'm wearing this shirt.
Obviously, a huge Stone Cold fan. Used to try and stunner people when I was in fourth grade.

Speaker 4 Raw was so crazy amazing back in the day.

Speaker 4 And by the way, to me, best intro ever. Yeah.
Yeah. Glass shatters.
It still gives me chills today. We were actually.
Actually, when I score in Cleveland, that's what they play.

Speaker 3 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's a great call. That is sick.
But the, no, I did the beer bash after the game. I think people have seen that video.
And

Speaker 4 Stone Cold gave big love to that. But then people were throwing me beers in this car.
And I'm like, okay, there's this, you know, again,

Speaker 4 white.

Speaker 4 Lamborghini white Rolls-Royce Phantom going three miles an hour. It's stagnant.
It's, you know, 100% humidity. The heat index is 115.
I'm leaking, you know, 1942.

Speaker 4 And guys keep throwing me beer. So I'm smashing them, doing the whole thing.
And then, like, I grabbed two Blue Mountains Coors, throwing them out there right back to the guy.

Speaker 4 I'm like, no, no, no, I'm good. So I'm like, all right, let's see what the crowd can do with these beers.
So I'm like filming them. Everybody's taking photos.

Speaker 4 By the way,

Speaker 4 what I was really upset about with the Cleveland crowd, and especially

Speaker 4 the men, is that they didn't know how to do a proper beer bash.

Speaker 3 That's, I mean,

Speaker 3 that's got to be an age thing. No, it's a lifestyle.
It's got to be younger. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Too younger. I mean, it's, yeah,

Speaker 3 it's not a baby boomer.

Speaker 4 You're like the Gen Z.

Speaker 3 So it's literally just bash the beer. Smash beer style.

Speaker 3 You got to crack the top. You got to relieve some of the pressure.
Just a little bit. Just a little bit.

Speaker 4 That's all you need. It's not like a shotgun.
I've seen people mess it up way too many times, right? But the beer bash is a skill. And it's a skill that everybody should learn.

Speaker 4 It's like changing a tire.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. Because there's, it is something that I haven't done one.
I actually, the last time I did one was probably my 30th birthday, five years ago.

Speaker 3 But it is something that whenever people see you, but it's a milestone. Do it.
Yeah, they look at you. They're like, holy shit, that's not cool.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was actually that might have been like the first night Big Cat and I ever partied together was on his birthday down in Arizona, right? Yeah.

Speaker 3 And we got a party bus, and then somebody played the Stone Cold entrance music on the party bus. And then Big Cat was like, well, I have to do this.
Oh, it's a panty tour.

Speaker 3 The best part about that is it was a party bus, but it actually was one of those like Steel Cage matches? No,

Speaker 3 we had like some kind of giveaway where people got to party with us. So it was a bunch of strangers and I just soaked them all in beer.
And they were like, well, this isn't fun anymore.

Speaker 3 You hit him with the wet soccer with Mankind.

Speaker 3 Here's the video of the guy eating horse poop at the parade. This is great.
I thought we were past that. No, no, you're going to watch it.
Okay.

Speaker 6 There we go.

Speaker 3 So this guy goes for it at once. His buddies pull him back.
They're like, no, don't do it. It's not the big guy out there, is it? He got

Speaker 3 busts through. That would have sucked.

Speaker 4 It must be the Tim's he's wearing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Real dirty Tim's.

Speaker 4 Really dirty Tim's.

Speaker 3 Live reaction. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He's got the Kenyon Martin tattoo on his neck, too.

Speaker 4 Kmart. Shout out to Kmart.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 3 Has he eaten it yet?

Speaker 4 Oh, he didn't spit it out. He fully ate it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Full handful, too.
I mean, not just like yours, right? You said yourself. Yeah, 50 years.

Speaker 3 That's your legacy.

Speaker 4 52 years of eating shit.

Speaker 3 Now he took it. Now you can be like, hey,

Speaker 3 I don't do this shit anymore and then immediately does it. Right.
Yeah. We don't do that anymore.
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 3 All right. I'm going to read a tweet to you.
I want your reaction in the moment when you read it. Okay.

Speaker 4 Well, if I've read it or do you have it?

Speaker 3 No, you've read it. Stop trying to find a way to fit out and just fit in.
Be a part of something special. Just my thoughts.

Speaker 3 That hurt my feelings. Yeah.

Speaker 3 What are you serious? Like, when you read that, because

Speaker 3 I remember reading it at the time, like, damn, I feel bad for Kevin Love. Like, that's, because it was such a sub-tweet to, I mean, I don't know if it was specifically you, but it was the whole team.

Speaker 3 Was it specifically you? I mean, it was,

Speaker 4 it was like, you know, you do the 23 and me, and then you get like, I'm 80%, like, I was majority that guy. Yeah, it's like 80% Kevin Love,

Speaker 3 you know, 8% Deion Waiters, 3% Kyrie Irving.

Speaker 4 You know, Deli's like in the negative, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, right. There's like negative wind chairs on it.

Speaker 4 But no, I was, you know, It's one of those things now, like I look back, I probably did take it personal in the moment, and it was tough for me. Like I had to adjust.

Speaker 4 That's what all I wanted from those guys was to just have the recognition, like, oh, this guy's sacrificing a lot. And like his, his learning curve having to do that is a little bit different.

Speaker 4 And like, considering where I came from to where I am now, like, I need to be, you know, I didn't have a lot of vets and we almost had like a big revolving door in Minnesota.

Speaker 4 I think one year we had 27 different players.

Speaker 3 That's crazy.

Speaker 4 And guys that were trying to make their way into the league. And at one point, like Darko Milichis was our highest paid player on the team.

Speaker 3 That's crazy. Let's just imagine.
That's crazy. He's making like $6 million.

Speaker 4 So we had one of the lowest payrolls,

Speaker 4 a new coach, a new GM,

Speaker 4 and just... you know, guys that didn't know how to win.
So it was very, very tough for me to not have veterans.

Speaker 4 So I had to go through it. And that was only, I think, 20, 30 games in when that suite happened.

Speaker 4 So I think think he was trying to find ways to get the best out of me, get a rise out of me, but also like, you know, I'm going to play this to the media so that you come back and this doesn't happen again.

Speaker 4 So, you know, there was a lot to that. But since, I mean, Braun's a brother.

Speaker 3 Did you walk into the locker room the next day and you're like, what's up, man? Like, saw the tweet.

Speaker 4 No. That sucked.

Speaker 3 No. I never talked about it? No.
Wow.

Speaker 4 Never, never acknowledged it at that competition.

Speaker 3 I guess that's almost like the first test that he probably was putting you through. Like, I'm going to tweet this.
It's going to be about you.

Speaker 3 And then you're going to figure it out and we're going to move on.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you're either going to fit in or fit out.

Speaker 3 Fit in? Yeah, you can fit in right away. Did you just do anything to stop fitting out at that point?

Speaker 4 Well, I was just upset too that, you know, they never put me in any of the fucking photos.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, I did a problem.

Speaker 3 I want to get somebody.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I want to get some of that, you know, for the, for the, you know, we're dying breed.

Speaker 3 White boys in the NBA. Yeah.
I actually. We're the minority, you know.
I mean, I was put on for the Larry Birds of the world. Yeah.
I wrote a whole

Speaker 3 being like i think dream team chris mullen come on now i was like i think kevin loves taking the pictures like i think they're going out to yeah lebanon

Speaker 4 they're making this take a picture of us so at one point i i took somebody had done like a uh

Speaker 4 you know a photoshop of of my face and it was like literally like a square like you cut it out and i

Speaker 3 posted on there like what i would do like i'd be you know when i was young i had the big mark maguire poster yeah and it would just slap my face on there ward 25 what's up mark maguire i just love the just my thoughts part because i mean it is his twitter

Speaker 3 it's it's his twitter Twitter. So did that take the sting out of it a little bit that he put just my thoughts out of it.
Just my thoughts out there?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 The fact that it was just his thoughts.

Speaker 3 Yeah. No one else.
They took the sting out of it in a big way.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Just my thoughts.

Speaker 4 I might start. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know what? Actually,

Speaker 4 I have like a, obviously, like most people do, like a...

Speaker 4 proverb as a quote on my thing. Yeah.
I think I have something actually on my Instagram for Manthe Bourdain. I actually know I do.

Speaker 4 So for me, I think I might just, if you put just my thoughts, it's a great thing. You can't really, like, it kind of deflates it a little bit.

Speaker 3 Like after this, when we post this on Monday, you need to like quote treat the part of my take out. Had a great time.
Just my thoughts. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Had a great time. We covered a lot.
Primo box, just my thoughts.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that just my thoughts. That should be like the name of your autobiography.
Yeah. Just my sit down to write me.
Just my thoughts.

Speaker 3 Catherine Love.

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Speaker 3 And now, more Kevin Love. I do have kind of a serious question for you.
Is that okay?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Okay, so I know back in

Speaker 3 college,

Speaker 3 well, this is how we get into the hard stuff, and then later we'll talk about all the bad stuff.

Speaker 3 But back in college, I know that you definitely went through a hard time, or at least it seemed like you did, with opposing fans, right? Like, they got a hold of your phone number.

Speaker 3 You got a lot of death threats.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but also, to interject, you might even get there at some point, but the worst thing, I got death threats, my family got death threats, the whole thing. They said my uncle's music was bad.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That's not cool.
Beach Boys for people who are living under a rock.

Speaker 3 So are you ashamed that your uncle wrote songs with Charles Manson?

Speaker 4 No, no, that was Dennis.

Speaker 3 Oh. Okay.
Is that what your uncle told you? Nice. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Smart uncle. But if you've read my uncle's autobiography, which I know you both have,

Speaker 4 he actually said that,

Speaker 4 God, I'm forgetting the names now, of course. Like, I should really know this, but his first son, Mike, and

Speaker 4 his daughter,

Speaker 4 I don't know if

Speaker 4 it was summer, but

Speaker 4 a couple of the kids got babysat by one of the girls that.

Speaker 3 Charles Manson's whole thing. Wow.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I should really know know that better but I remember he also talks about you know he went out into the middle of the desert I don't know if it I don't think it was spawn ranch but uh I don't know if it was one of the women that went up to Cielo Drive either but he saw he he said he Dennis came back all shaken up and he was trying to get away from the family anyways

Speaker 4 but

Speaker 4 came back and he was shaken visibly shaken in front of the entire band and my uncle and he's like i just saw charlie shoot some black cat and stuff him down a well.

Speaker 3 Whoa.

Speaker 4 So I'm like, that's heavy duty.

Speaker 4 So like to

Speaker 4 add that, and that was some heavy-hitting stuff in the autobiography. But Dennis was like, he hit a house, I believe, in the Palisades, where Charlie showed up.

Speaker 4 and you know like dropped to his knees went to his feet and said i you know kissed his feet and said oh brother it's so you know great to meet you kind of tried to put him under the spell and then they started living in his house holy shit kind of like what we're doing right now yeah yeah we came here and you up and now we're in your pool house Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 3 Just my thoughts. You guys are

Speaker 4 that was a crazy, crazy time.

Speaker 3 Crazy period.

Speaker 4 That's why it's crazy because once upon a time in Hollywood,

Speaker 4 which I loved, by the way, and that setting and that era,

Speaker 4 he actually comes up and, hey, this is where Dennis Wilson lives. Like, he's asking for him, which is pretty crazy.
So, and it's amazing to me that they have his music.

Speaker 3 Get out of here.

Speaker 4 They have his music on

Speaker 3 Spotify. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And if you've seen Mindhunter, which I'm so upset that they canceled the show.

Speaker 3 They can't. Wait, what? They canceled Mindhunter? Yeah,

Speaker 4 they stopped it.

Speaker 3 What do you mean? Like, there's not going to be another season? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Which they just went over the Atlanta Child Murders or Murder. Yeah.
Excuse me.

Speaker 3 That was a great, great season.

Speaker 4 Amazing. And they went and talked to Charlie, and they have like the real transcripts and all that stuff.
But I remember Holden Ford goes, he's like,

Speaker 4 he's listening to his music. He goes, not that bad.

Speaker 3 Yeah, if your uncle had let him in the Beach Boys,

Speaker 3 we might be thinking about Charles Manson in a much different light right now. There's not another season?

Speaker 3 Yeah, have you ever heard his...

Speaker 4 Have you heard his song Garbage Can? Is it Garbage Can?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I don't find myself listening to serial killer music that much.

Speaker 4 I had to, you know, I just went there to know. Obviously, you're not going to understand it, but I just went there to know, like, oh, you can find his music on Spotify.
I'm like, why?

Speaker 3 Yeah, that is crazy. That's really weird.

Speaker 4 Whoever's going to listen to that other than to just, you know, if they're doing it for a paper or doing a bunch of people.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's a weird, that's a weird. A fan told you that your uncle's music sucks, and that made you really, that made your blood boil.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 i'm so angry uh no i actually didn't even understand how big my uncle's music was i just you know he's uncle mike we went to all that stuff you know all the concerts and uh it was still huge like you know the fact that he was on full house and john stamos is playing drums right yeah huge deal i mean come on uh until i got to ucla and then all the parents and the kids even the kids that were like you know my peers and a year you know same year year older whatever i was 07 08 i was there you know they were like oh your uncle is michael like beach Boys.

Speaker 4 And I love this. I love this, this album.
This, you know, I played this, you know, God Only Knows or something at my wedding or whatever it was. So that's when I knew that he was big.

Speaker 4 But the worst thing I got

Speaker 4 and the funniest at the same time, not anything like the death threats, obviously, that goes back to the Manson stuff. But

Speaker 4 I was in, we're at Pullman, Washington. We're playing Washington State.
And,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 whatever I had the night before, just like, you know, I was feeling some sort of way. It wasn't sitting right.
It's freezing cold, yet here I am feeling like my temperature's through the roof, right?

Speaker 4 And I started sweating all the way through my blue jersey. I mentioned like the baby blue with the gold, right? And we have the, that year we had reached 100 national championships and we had the C.

Speaker 4 Super cool. But no, they started screaming butt sweat.

Speaker 3 That's me. Butt sweat.

Speaker 4 And so my college teammates, who I'm still close with, they still give me shit for that to this day.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, but that'll get inside anybody's head. But if you've ever had, like, you got to respect the swamp, though.
Yes, swamps. Yes, it happens to everybody, but in the moment,

Speaker 4 I don't do well in humidity, even though it was, you know, probably six degrees in Pullman, Washington, and you're in the middle of nowhere. But, you know, it was the swamp was real.

Speaker 3 And that's a color that shows up big time if you got butts sweat. If it's like a light blue, it immediately turns, you know, navy.
100%.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I couldn't wear gray bottoms forever.
Here I am sitting with gray bottoms. Like, I'm okay now.
But we're in Washington just has that effect on me.

Speaker 4 We're actually Aaron Baines was the center, too.

Speaker 3 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So I had my down under was getting a little crazy.

Speaker 3 Yes. On the way over, we were talking about you and your college uniforms.
Have you ever worn a jersey that actually fits you? You're a big baggy jersey guy, right?

Speaker 4 That one was pretty, yeah. I think it's

Speaker 4 PTSD from,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 3 being

Speaker 4 as big as I was. You got

Speaker 4 a sweet chin strap, though. Yeah.
I was saying the other day, actually, to JJ, I was like, okay, you got to realize this.

Speaker 4 My mom was basically, I was going to like great great clips, and then my mom was cutting my hair.

Speaker 4 And that was pretty apparent when you look at those photos. Right.

Speaker 3 Here's a very funny picture from, I think it was like your senior year of high school where you're wearing like these shorts that go down past your shins.

Speaker 4 Wear than a shawl John.

Speaker 3 Then a jersey that goes down to your knees. That was like your team jersey that you were wearing at the time.
And here, I can actually pull it up. Were you worried? Oh, that was horrible.

Speaker 3 I know exactly. Were you worried at all when you lost weight, like you were going to lose all your power? Because that's why I'm trying to like stay a little bit heavier.
Yeah, this one right here.

Speaker 3 That's the picture that I'm talking about. There we go.
Slam.

Speaker 4 See, love slam. I had had the slam diary my senior year, right?

Speaker 3 Oh my god.

Speaker 4 I had the slam diary.

Speaker 3 And how about this?

Speaker 4 I was national, not only national player of the year, I was national athlete of the year.

Speaker 3 So when you showed that guy. That guy was national.
That guy.

Speaker 3 I wonder if you're not. I have more female national athletes.
Gold medal for 20 years.

Speaker 4 I was lost, one of the greatest, I mean, female athletes of all time, let alone basketball players, than that guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That's crazy.
I had always thought that when you were in college, this might be like one of those Berenstein Bears moments where you remember a memory that didn't actually happen to you.

Speaker 4 I was more with Thomas Lutrain, but okay.

Speaker 3 Okay, but yeah, I thought that you were a big undershirt guy. Like you wore big white undershirts in college, but I can't find a picture of you wearing one online.
Did you have those scrubs?

Speaker 4 I went in the, I mean, I wore the tanks, tight-fitting tanks underneath, and then when you, you know, you take it.

Speaker 3 It falls out.

Speaker 4 It's like, you know, you're dating in the winter in New York City, right? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Oh, man, I scored this.

Speaker 4 And then you go home and it's just like.

Speaker 3 And it works both ways. Right.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
I mean, you did it. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 You would take it. Oh, I did it.
Oh, I absolutely did. That's why.

Speaker 4 It's like, so when I lost the weight, speaking of the powers, like I lost the weight

Speaker 4 and I started to slowly start wearing like tighter stuff.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I found it. Good.
Yeah. Yeah.
Good.

Speaker 4 Major glow up. Lost like 30 pounds, got rid of the chin strap.
Chin strap was sweet, though. I forgot to finish that.
I went to

Speaker 4 right when I got down there, the first week that was at UCLA, that was before like my dad threw me the keys and was like, all right, you go and figure it out.

Speaker 4 Like, Oregon, we don't even pump our own gas. So I'm going to the gas station.
I'm like,

Speaker 4 I'll have $20 unleaded, please. Right.

Speaker 3 You know, so I,

Speaker 4 you know, I lost my train of thought, but we were

Speaker 3 AUCLA. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I got thing. Oh, haircut.

Speaker 4 So I went down to, one of my dad's best friends took me down to Carson, California. That's where he lives.
And took me down to Carson to Our People barbershop.

Speaker 3 But like.

Speaker 3 Our people.

Speaker 4 I mean, I was like, okay, what do I go in and ask for? I go, just, just

Speaker 4 do whatever. Like, I'll figure it out.
So he starts,

Speaker 4 like, gives me this chin strap. And then he takes the hair and just goes,

Speaker 4 gives me like a one, one and a half.

Speaker 3 I'll come in the next day.

Speaker 4 Full chin strap. I'm patchy here.
I'm completely white. I'm 278 pounds.

Speaker 3 All the guys are looking at me like, Jesus. But then you could ball.

Speaker 3 But then I could ball. So I got the respect.
The great equalizer. All right.
I have two more hair questions then because we're on this topic.

Speaker 3 How do you, I understand like when you're younger, you got bad haircuts. How do you explain the fade in the 2018 NBA Finals? That was atrocious.

Speaker 4 So I started watching Peaky Blinders.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, this is the story called Truth.

Speaker 4 And I was like, oh, Tom Hardy looks cool. Cillian looks cool.
Like, these guys look awesome.

Speaker 3 Let's try this.

Speaker 4 Okay. And like, nobody knows that's what I tried to do.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 3 So as soon as I saw it in the mirror, I'm like, oh, here's my hat. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm going to wrap a bandana.

Speaker 3 You got ready. And I was like, oh, great.

Speaker 4 Now I have to be, you know, 40 million people are going to be watching.

Speaker 3 So that was that story, and it didn't work out well for me but once you know i just i just was like all right i'm just gonna roll with it all right so then uh gray hair to gray hair are you gonna roll i'm i'm pro dying my hair and i tell people like i let everyone know i think you can't dye your hair and pretend that you don't like coach k

Speaker 3 i say like hey love you coach here's my day like i'll tell i'll tweet and be like dyed my hair today everyone be cool about it are you gonna just go with gray yeah you have a little bit more even though i get it just like right in my temples yeah so i get it kind of across the way excuse me.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 3 I'm just going to roll with it.

Speaker 4 It's like, you know, when they do those like just for men?

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, that's right.

Speaker 4 The guy has the black hair. The guy has like the full gray or white.
And then you blend them. It's like, oh, this guy's, he's too young to do this job.

Speaker 4 And then this guy, I just don't know if he has the energy, but it's like, you put him together.

Speaker 3 He's like, oh, man, this is a distinguished guy. We should hire him.

Speaker 3 George Cooney lived in that world for like 30 years. You couldn't tell if he was 40 or like 55.

Speaker 4 He was dating Stacey Keebler.

Speaker 3 And like, you know, he's just, you know. Okay, so you're rolling with it.
All right, that gives me a little bit of, I'm still probably going to die it, but that's okay.

Speaker 4 No, I think you got a little bit coming in on Harris.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, I got the beard too.

Speaker 4 The beard is a good look. I still haven't gotten there yet.
But both of my grandparents are both white at like 43,

Speaker 3 40. Yeah, I think you should continue to diet.
I think I have to die. Otherwise, it's tough to go on like Twitch and have like teenagers bully me and also have just

Speaker 4 hit the right demo. I mean, this show is.

Speaker 3 Yes, right.

Speaker 3 Some of us have to, yeah, there's some kids that have to think I'm still cool.

Speaker 4 But I mean, you got the hat thing down.

Speaker 3 I mentioned before we came on. Yes.
You can always run it. Which now people are saying every time I take it that my hair is receding, which it's not, but whatever.

Speaker 3 That's just hat hair.

Speaker 3 That's what happens. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I've always wondered when it comes to big rebounders, and a lot of people's contracts rely on getting those rebound numbers up to a certain point over the course of the season.

Speaker 3 If there's a free throw being taken that's uncontested, so there's nobody out from the other team trying to rebound it, do you make sure that you get first position down there?

Speaker 3 You're like, hey, this is.

Speaker 4 Oh, it's a known thing on our team, and it's been that way, especially now we have Andre Drummond, who's like led the league in rebounding three, four times.

Speaker 4 But like Tristan Thompson, Larry Nance, myself, but like Braun, when he was on, we all steal rebounds from each other.

Speaker 4 It's like a thing, like you're good to have two rebounds stolen from LeBron every game. With Andre Drummond, it might be three or four.
Tristan Thompson. But at the free throw line, that's a battle.

Speaker 4 Even if it's coming off the other side, I might try and grab it. We might even at some point knock it out of bounds.

Speaker 3 Because usually, my ball, my ball.

Speaker 3 Carmel, get the fuck out. I got the, you know,

Speaker 3 yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, for us, it's,

Speaker 4 yeah, we steal a lot of rebounds.

Speaker 3 That's it. That's it.

Speaker 4 Actually, I love that we went over that because when they see this, they're going to know, like, yeah, yeah. And they're going to say, you're just as bad as we are, as I am.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I just always wonder if there was like a hierarchy when it came to a team where you're, you know, unquestionably the alpha, where you're like the veteran on that team.
You can't say anything.

Speaker 3 You can't say anything. It's just every man for himself.

Speaker 4 It's just every man for himself. When it comes to, especially free throws, every man for himself.
But if it's like coming so far out of the way to come and grab it

Speaker 4 and doing it like way over somebody. It's like, I got this shoe right there, and then it just comes out of nowhere.
Like, that's

Speaker 3 excessive. Yeah, right.

Speaker 4 That's excessive.

Speaker 4 But, you know, I was taught from

Speaker 4 an early age. Maybe I should play tennis, individual sport.
But

Speaker 4 there's no such thing as a selfish rebound. You either end a play or you create an extra possession for your team.
Right.

Speaker 4 So, like, and that was for my dad, so you had a vested interest in obviously me getting rebounds. Yes.
But I'll probably teach my son that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, absolutely. When did you first realize that you were sick at outlet passes?

Speaker 4 I always kind of, it was just a feel thing that I did. So back to Mark McGuire I was talking about.
And by the way, great dock that they had.

Speaker 3 Oh, I hated it. You hated it? Yeah, we thought it was sucked.
Why? They pretended they didn't do steroids until the last 10 minutes. By the way,

Speaker 4 this is not something.

Speaker 4 But like, if everybody's juicing, love the long ball, and I love that people are throwing 100 miles away.

Speaker 3 I agree. Right? I agree.
They just didn't mention it until like the very end. They're like, oh, by the way, the steroids came in when Barry Bonds took the league over.

Speaker 3 They totally skipped, and they only had Sosa on there for like five or six minutes. So it's just basically like a Mark McGuire documentary that didn't mention Sosa.

Speaker 4 What's too bad about this? It's like it saved, that time saved baseball. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I had, like, who has baseball posters up in the room anymore if it's not like Aaron Judge? Right. Right.
Right. Like, it's, it's, I don't know.
I, I, I really, really hope that.

Speaker 4 I don't know what the numbers say not a dying sport, but like baseball, that was an amazing time. That's why I loved it.
Maybe go back because I think on my,

Speaker 4 it was my, uh,

Speaker 4 i think mark maguire hit 61 or 62 on my like 10th birthday because it was 98 right right so i was i was i was freaking i was watching every at bat it was like my dad used to call me in when griffey used to get up there right that sweet swing uh yeah that was a that was a uh a crazy time yeah so the outlet passes you were watching baseball and you realize like hey are you were playing baseball and you're like this is how i can exceed

Speaker 4 so i my dad was like oh you want to get big like mark maguire here i am 10 years old i'm like curling the bar and like it's breaking because it's like the,

Speaker 4 so that's what I was doing, everything like forearm-wise. Because remember they used to be like, oh, it's 22-inch forearms.

Speaker 3 I was like, yeah, that's natural.

Speaker 4 Little did I know.

Speaker 4 But I started doing that. And then I was watching.
I actually used to shoot like that. So I didn't have the strength because I played up three years with my brother at the time.

Speaker 4 He was very young for his age. And eighth grade, he stayed back because he was the youngest kid in his class.
And by the way, huge advantage for sports as well.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 no, I just that's how I shot, so I had the accuracy, and I was making, I was playing with my brother, just making, making, making.

Speaker 4 So, anytime I had a little bit of like an advantage and can get the ball up and over, I was shooting it like that. So, super, super uh, accurate with that shot.

Speaker 4 And then one summer, I just sat like this at my uncle's house in Southern California and just took the ball and started at like two feet, worked all the way back, added my other hand, and then finally I started shooting like that.

Speaker 4 So, when I got into the game and got a rebound, was throwing it up court. I just launched it.

Speaker 3 It was natural, natural. That's

Speaker 4 I used to throw a fit, threaten to run away,

Speaker 4 smash everything in my room because I wanted to play football.

Speaker 3 I want to be the quarterback.

Speaker 4 Let alone we had, you know, we did have a weight limit to, you know, where I come from, you have a weight limit to play quarterback, which I don't understand.

Speaker 4 It's like they should have a rule, like you can't rush the ball, right?

Speaker 3 You can't run the ball.

Speaker 4 Whereas like, you know, if you're on defense, you can be as big as you want, and you kill the guy that's little. So like you have a bigger quarterback, anyways.
whole other can of worms there.

Speaker 4 But no, I just, I want to play quarterback so bad that I was like, okay, here's my way.

Speaker 4 My dad's like, like the paint is football use your elbows use your body use your leverage and then when you get that ball throw it ahead plus watch Bill Walton a lot I watched those old school Boston Celtics tapes especially when he was the sixth man that was cool to see them go against the showtime Lakers and You know the teams from that era were unbelievable, right?

Speaker 4 And then on top of that I'm named after Wes Unsell RIP passed away this year. So I'm named after Wes Unsell and he had that great outlet pass over the head and from the chest one arm the whole thing.

Speaker 4 So I was watching him a lot and my dad had the presence of mind to have me watch both of those guys, but especially Wes, considering that my dad played with him and the namesake.

Speaker 3 And I would imagine. Middle name, right? Yeah.
Middle name. Just clearly.
Okay. I would imagine they're also,

Speaker 3 as fat Kevin Love, it was nice to not have to run all the way down the court when you hit that perfect outlet pass and they score. And it's like, I can just chill out here.
I'm just chill here. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's awesome. There's no defensive

Speaker 3 second key, so I just grabbed him. I did my job.
Just run the ball up the court.

Speaker 4 Especially if I had somebody

Speaker 4 who had a receiver type body or quality to them, like that was the best.

Speaker 4 Or throw it out to a fast point guard. It's three on two or two on one or one on oh.
Like, it's great.

Speaker 3 It was so cool, too, because you were, I feel like when you came on the scene at UCLA and everyone started talking to you on a national level, like you were known almost for that more than anything else, which is a very, like, you don't really have guys who get known for that, but it was such a cool throwback thing.

Speaker 3 Like, you got to check out Kevin Love's passes.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and at the time, I mean, I just, I'm never, I was never known for my jumping. I could actually jump at the time.

Speaker 4 People forget that I jumped 35 inches at the combine, uh, Max Vert, and you know, it was funny to see the guy's reactions all the way growing up into my first few years in the league.

Speaker 4 Like, oh, okay, okay, white boy. Actually, on my dad's, it's so funny because on my dad's draft card, it goes, you know, great shooter, forward center, 6'9,

Speaker 4 University of Oregon, runs the floor well.

Speaker 4 You know, great frame, broad shoulders, good jumper for for a white guy.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's really cool.

Speaker 4 We still have it back at home. Like, I was talking to my brother about

Speaker 4 my baseball and basketball cards the other day. I was like, do we still have those? And so here, actually, that's great.
That's cool. We brought this out, and

Speaker 4 Griffey was my guy, being from the Pacific Northwest. But you can see that my,

Speaker 4 it actually does spell base, but then I spell cards wrong, of course. You know, my penman's just.

Speaker 3 Oh, there we go. Yeah, you were.
Yeah. i love it yeah based on

Speaker 3 yeah

Speaker 3 yeah that was yesterday yeah that was uh yesterday i uh i read that when you were in college you reached out to bill walton for advice or like he was a mentor of yours is that is that accurate at all so ben howlin the coach at the time uh

Speaker 4 my college coach my my only year at ucla he uh part of the not recruiting process but once i had committed and signed my letter of intent he put me on with uh bill walton and

Speaker 4 literally i mean the guy it's like Coach Wooden said, it was like, yeah, he had a really bad stutter, but once he fixed it, it's great. It's like, now we just can't get him to shut up.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So, no, really.
We've interviewed.

Speaker 3 Oh, no. He was like three hours.
Three hours into it. He goes, How long does this go? And we're like, you can decide when you want to leave, Bill.
And it was like, oh, okay.

Speaker 4 No, it was amazing. Like,

Speaker 4 it was an Oregon UCLA game a couple years back, and Russell had donated the money for the Mo Austin Center, which is men's and women's basketball. So it was, you know, I did the weight room.

Speaker 4 he did the courts, which is cool because we were college roommates, especially on the road.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I go up there and do this interview with ESPN, and it's just like, you can't get a word in edgewise.

Speaker 4 He's talking, he's literally singing my uncle's song, Barbara Ann, or whatever, California girls.

Speaker 4 And I'm just like, what is going on? And so, like, they're in his ear, and I can hear it because I have the headphones on.

Speaker 3 They're like, Bill, Bill, Bill, you have a commercial in two minutes.

Speaker 3 It was hilarious. Bill probably thinks that's like God talking to him.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 But he,

Speaker 4 yeah, probably for the 30 minutes,

Speaker 4 you know, maybe got a minute and a half in, maybe 90 seconds of me talking, he was saying UCLA and the tradition and the women and what it stands for. And Coach Wooden set the pyramid of success.

Speaker 4 Let me tell you my favorite quotes from that and the stories. And, you know, Lou Al Cinder and the big men and what your number means and where in there and Walt Hazard and the Hazard fans.

Speaker 4 So like on and on and on and on. And like, you know, God bless him.

Speaker 3 He could speak, you know, after having an awful stutter for so long. You became that, but it's like, I mean, it sounds like you remembered everything that he said.
Just stuff that you twisted off.

Speaker 3 Like, it stuck with you somehow. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. When I was, yeah, I think I was 17 years old when I committed.

Speaker 3 So that was big for me. When you played at UCLA, because I think I've heard stories that like a lot of NBA pros will go and play at UCLA over the summer.
Yeah. So did you do that?

Speaker 3 Would you play with guys in the NBA? And did you, like, did you think right away, like, I belong here? Or did it take a minute?

Speaker 4 Well, it took a minute against guys like, you know, because I think my second day I walked in there, and this was like, you know, 10 days after I graduated from high school. So you're 18?

Speaker 4 18 years old. And

Speaker 4 KG's in there. And, like,

Speaker 3 they, you know,

Speaker 4 just got traded or he's a Boston Celtic now. And, you know, they come back and they play that year.
I think they lost in the finals. They come back the next year and

Speaker 4 win in 08,

Speaker 4 I believe he was defensive player of the year. I always tell everybody, like, I played Dirk Nowitzki,

Speaker 4 Tim Duncan twice, and KG within my first dozen games in the league. Like, that's that's a in the Western Conference.

Speaker 4 If you go through like the power forwards and center on each team, it's pretty remarkable. But yeah, my second day there, I was like, man, I got to match up against KG.

Speaker 3 So you played against him? Well, he was cool.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was really cool. He didn't have to be.
He was really cool because he didn't know who I was from anybody.

Speaker 4 And I was like, I took him aside after we're all done and I said, hey, hey, listen, you know, how do I leverage, how do I score on you when you're, you know, say he's 6'11, he's 7'1. Let's be real.

Speaker 4 Like, same thing with KD. Like, he's not 6'9.
It was listed. He's taller than that.

Speaker 4 And, you know, he's like, get the fuck out. I'm not giving you any of this.
So Jordan Farmar, I remember, was there, who was on the Lakers at the time, said, no, no, no, he's serious. He's serious.

Speaker 4 So he took me aside for 10 minutes and started working with me. And it was just me there on the court.
So I'll always remember KG for that.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 4 Then, of course, I get drafted by Minnesota. He's the fifth pick.

Speaker 3 I'm the fifth pick. It's Minnesota.
He's like fucking

Speaker 4 a hot shot.

Speaker 3 He's like, fuck this guy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So he comes, you know, and he's barking. He's always like this, though.
He never takes every game. That's what I respect about guys like him and Russ and

Speaker 4 AI.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to think like Jordan.

Speaker 4 They never took a game.

Speaker 4 Rarely a possession off. Like those guys go hard.
That's a talent in itself.

Speaker 4 Even as he got older, he set the tone in practice. He set the tone.

Speaker 4 But yeah, when I got into the league, that changed a little bit because now I was, you know, at that time I wasn't a threat, but

Speaker 4 I was in the league and playing in Minnesota and playing the power forward.

Speaker 3 Wait, so you're 18 and you're playing pickup basketball with NBA players and you're like running up and down the floor and you're holding your own? That's nuts. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 I always felt like I belonged.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think I, in some ways, it was

Speaker 4 unhealthy how much I just focused on battle. Like I always say like I was an I was an athlete student.

Speaker 3 not the yeah no we saw you spell you can't spell right yeah yeah that was

Speaker 3 that was a bad we believe you on the basketball thing yeah that was ugly um but no it's just um yeah I always felt like I belong plus

Speaker 4 I think it was being familiar with the guys I was playing with too so if if you know it's tip there's three courts it's typically obviously you're running five so there's 30 guys out there and if SC guys came they would always be allowed on the floor if UCLA guys came they were always allowed on the floor at least five guys so I was playing playing with Russell Westbrook, Darren Collison, Luka Mbamute, like guys like that were on my team.

Speaker 4 So it was great. Like we felt like we had a vibe and had a good thing going.
We came in ranked preseason number one. Yeah.
That we had just come off of two Final Fours.

Speaker 4 Trying to make another one, which we did, lost to Memphis. Derek Rose, tough one.
But no, we felt like we belong. And actually, speaking of that, I can remember that my first day in the gym.
And

Speaker 4 I knew Russell, I knew Russ a little bit. And we had become friends.
First day I was on campus. I'm walking up Bruin Walk.
I'm with my academic advisor, which didn't necessarily mean, but

Speaker 4 Kenny Dawson, who actually acted as more of a therapist for me. But I remember Russ and I were crossing paths.
I was going to history class, and

Speaker 4 he just, he starts, he's like, eh, man, these sneakers.

Speaker 4 I was wearing Jordan 11s with like no socks and didn't have them laced up and I'm sweating like crazy because Bruin, like UCLA is like a fishbowl.

Speaker 4 So you have, you know, where all the students stay, all the dorms.

Speaker 4 You come down, you have the athletic center, you have the student activities center you have uh paule pavilion uh you know you have the men's gym you have everything walking up then it's the classes up bruin walk so i'm some leaking sweat and he's making fun of my tops backpack that i got from the mcdonald's all-american game my shirt you know this is where i layer up is like if i had a shirt like this on say i would have another down there so that one would soak up the sweat sure that one would soak up the sweat and then i would have this like yeah i'm good yeah and then the swamp was just like i would probably like put you know i'm a bit i still tie the sweater around the waist yes is that still a thing yeah oh absolutely.

Speaker 3 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 I feel like once you pass 30, it's like acceptable.

Speaker 3 Yes. Yeah.
I mean, if you are living in the Hamptons, then yeah, you can tie a sweater around your neck, around your waist, wherever.

Speaker 4 It's a strong visit plus.

Speaker 3 You're summering in the Hamptons. Thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 That's a little pretentious, but I'll take it. Yeah.
Yeah. It's a sweater tie guy.
But

Speaker 4 no, I can remember the first, yeah, I love the sweater thing. I'm not going to take you back.
By the way, speaking of sweat, it's got hot out here.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 It's a good luck. Roll with it.

Speaker 4 The

Speaker 4 first time I saw Russ in the gym, and we had played fives, but there was probably a six-month, eight-month window where I didn't see him play.

Speaker 4 And that first day, he's like grabbing rebounds, top of the square, bringing it down, surveying the court, coming down, seeing what he has, calls for a pick and roll, comes back, cross-grains the ball, comes over, kind of Euro steps, top of the square, left-hand.

Speaker 4 I'm like, holy shit, this kid's going to be good. Like, this kid's special.

Speaker 4 So people would ask me coming in, because I got a ton of interviews that, you know, hot shot, number one player, whatever, at UCLA and they would ask me like who do you think is gonna be a breakout star like who do you see is gonna be a breakout star I'll stop you right there easiest question I'm gonna answer all year Russell Westbrook so Darren Carlson yeah he's on my team yeah and like I wasn't trying to make a homer job out of out of or be biased I really believe that so

Speaker 4 You know, I can remember Darren Carlson got, I think he had an MCL sprain in his left knee, right knee, whatever it was. And he went down for not a dozen games, but close to.

Speaker 4 I think it might have been double-digit games

Speaker 4 that year. And so Russell took over the point guard, and that's when he just took off.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It's pretty cool.
Yeah. So you weren't surprised at all when he was.

Speaker 4 And like Darren, both of his parents are Olympic-level track athletes. Yeah.
So Darren, I mean, even to this day, he retired after 10 years.

Speaker 3 He,

Speaker 4 I mean, up and down the court from line to line, 94 feet, he... top five fastest player in the league.
And at that point, probably the fastest player in college basketball.

Speaker 4 So I was outletting the ball to him. And so here comes Russ.
He sees I get a rebound. He knows, just go.
Contest the shot and go.

Speaker 3 Boom. Layup.

Speaker 4 Dunk. He starts just dunking on guys.
He starts doing, I mean, just like everything with the ball.

Speaker 4 And that's when, I mean, he just took a major step forward because I think he got comfortable playing the point guard. We moved him to the two guard.
He defended. He got up and down.

Speaker 4 I hit him with the outlets. He made the right plays.
And nobody worked as hard as him. Like, I thought, okay, I'm going to be the first to the gym.
I'm going to get my shots up.

Speaker 4 Try and be the last to leave. I had to take two showers, big sweater.

Speaker 3 How do you manage that, by the way? I've been struggling with that this this summer.

Speaker 4 I'm actually good.

Speaker 3 Do you take like a cold shower to stop sweating? Because I'll shower and then 10 minutes later, I'm just driving.

Speaker 4 A cold shower in the morning is good. It's tough out here, though, because we work out outside, and it's so humid all the time that it's, I had Blake Griffin here the other day, and he was using it.

Speaker 4 He asked me, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Thanks for letting us know that you were in town, Blake. Blake, you can't.

Speaker 4 He did give the, oh, yeah, I've been on the show before. I said, well, okay.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, 100 times. But what the hell? Now I'm not very happy with him right now.
So now you're a best friend. Yeah, you're a best friend.
Now you're Blake Love right now. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Friendship with Blake over. Yeah, done.
Friendship with Kevin on. I appreciate that.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You should have said that because now me and Big Cat are actually mad at Blake. Yeah, no, I'm pissed.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 He's just a heads up. Sorry, Blake.
Yeah, no. Is he still out here?

Speaker 3 Mother, is he here?

Speaker 3 Is he in the house right now? Yeah. Yeah, he is.
He's like hiding in the bedroom. No, he's definitely still out here.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 he did his 30 minutes of maintenance work here.

Speaker 3 God damn it.

Speaker 3 Wait, was that who you were talking about was here earlier today?

Speaker 3 Yeah, Blake.

Speaker 3 What the fuck?

Speaker 3 This interview's over. What a jerk.
What a jerk. All right.

Speaker 4 Wait, why is the interview over for me?

Speaker 3 No, I don't know. Matt,

Speaker 3 he's back on.

Speaker 3 We're actually going to go for seven hours. Oh, no,

Speaker 4 you said this interview's over. Just my thoughts.

Speaker 3 Just my thoughts. Me and Big Cat are sidebarring right now.
I'm going to call him and let's see. What's going on? Yeah, I'm fucking.

Speaker 3 What a jerk. Yeah, what a jerk.

Speaker 3 I didn't realize when you said, oh, yeah, Blake was here earlier. I was like, what do you.
He doesn't have to come on the show, but just like, let us know that he's here.

Speaker 3 I'm going to be like, what are you doing today?

Speaker 3 What's the weather? Like in L.A., yeah.

Speaker 3 I gotta.

Speaker 3 He's not gonna pick up.

Speaker 4 No, he won't pick up. Because he knows.

Speaker 4 It's one of those. I'm sorry, man.
I'm on a Zoom.

Speaker 3 Yeah. This guy has his phone on him all the time, too.
We know that. He picks up his phone usually in like 1.9 seconds.
We time it.

Speaker 4 No, no. He was literally planking today with his phone.
Not filming. He was just like this with his phone.

Speaker 8 He'll call back, please.

Speaker 4 I may have made that up, but people are going to think it's true. God damn it.
Believe it. What a jerk.
You want to call him?

Speaker 3 All right. All right.
Well, he'll call back.

Speaker 4 Want me to try him?

Speaker 3 If he answers, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that. Don't do that.
That would break. Don't do not break that.

Speaker 3 That will hurt me. That will hurt me too much.
Don't do it. You're big into mental health.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Don't hurt mine. I won't.

Speaker 3 I didn't know how

Speaker 3 that would affect you.

Speaker 4 I know how that can be.

Speaker 3 Not a lot of people pick up my phone calls. How has it been with real question?

Speaker 3 You've been very outspoken about mental health. And I feel like you were maybe not a tipping point, but you were one of the first.

Speaker 4 I think DeMar was the first. Yeah, but he was the reason I felt compelled and felt like I could do it.

Speaker 3 So has it been,

Speaker 3 what's it been like to be like that vulnerable?

Speaker 3 I would assume people have been very receptive to it, but it's also got to be a little scary too to just talk about it like that.

Speaker 4 For sure. Just because, I mean, I think when I first pressed send on my article

Speaker 4 that I just didn't know how people were going to respond but for me it was it was so many things leading up to that point that I was like I just can't it was so hard for me to just be me like unapologetically Kevin like I've come to the point now because there is such a huge community and I could have never guessed that that was the case like now I I know a lot of the statistics the numbers I'm continuing to learn don't pretend to be an expert but like just try to consume as much as I can so I have an idea of what's going on.

Speaker 4 And plus, coming out of COVID and coming out of or being in and knowing what's going on with social injustice and Black Lives Matter, like there's so much anxiety with the unknown and the stress and are we going to be able to put food on the table?

Speaker 4 Where's my next paycheck coming from? Can I even go outside or am I going to be able to get see my baby born or I'm having to choose between going to work and being with my family?

Speaker 4 You know, if somebody passes away due to COVID or otherwise, I can't go to their funeral. So there's like so much unknown.
And then that leads to a deep and dark spiral of depression.

Speaker 4 And like with depression you can I know for me like it only takes this much like you can fall apart at any moment disproportionate to any circumstance right right like and you tend to I would say like over general generalize I said this the other day that it's like you wake up and say you know let's take a sip of coffee oh fuck my you know my coffee was shit I must be shit I'm a horrible person Like, and that's just how your mind goes.

Speaker 4 Like, so for me, it's been really great to just pay it forward to,

Speaker 4 because I do feel like it's a major thief of human potential for young and old, but for that younger demographic and that next generation, because I feel like, because youth uprising is a big part of my story, too, because I remember 10 days before I wrote my article, it was

Speaker 4 Parkland, Florida had happened.

Speaker 4 And then you saw what those kids did for even mental health related as well, but like gun reform and safety in classrooms.

Speaker 4 And like, what are we going to do to change this paradigm and and you know help help the world help the country in that way so it's very complex like I'm I'm still learning a lot like I have

Speaker 4 globally I know I just read this the other day that for every 10,000 people suffering there's one licensed therapist Wow And the rate of depression, anxiety has gone way up.

Speaker 4 But in this second, as opposed to

Speaker 4 second quarter, as opposed to 2019, the second quarter now, depression has quadrupled in America. It's at least one in four people now.

Speaker 3 So over. Are you able to kind of recognize if you're going through something that, like you said earlier, was like disproportional to how upset that you should be?

Speaker 3 You've realized to recognize like when that's happening as opposed to just being upset about something that is normal to be triggering you?

Speaker 4 For sure. And I know a lot more now just in working with the therapist, but also like I talk about medication.
Like obviously

Speaker 4 there's Western and Eastern philosophy.

Speaker 4 And a lot of the Eastern is like medication is not not it and these drug companies are just trying to to profit and you know capitalize the whole thing so but for me medication has been huge getting that right it just sets the baseline for me to actually do the real work it really has it's been amazing for me so I know you know when i wake up in the morning i have my routine i'm such a uh you know routine-based person and a creature habit that if i do that i know that those triggers will less it's very it's a lot less likely that they will come up or they will arise if i do forward motion.

Speaker 4 And I always, I live by this, this, this quote, I'm going to throw a quote at you, but first of all, you can't heal what you don't reveal. Like I had to express it outwardly in order for me to

Speaker 4 be myself and be comfortable 100% in my own skin. Like the best, you know, say, oh, you know, Olympic gold medal, and we started off with that Olympic gold medal and

Speaker 4 2016 world champion, you know, Cleveland Cavaliers, 52-year drought, the whole thing. One of the happiest moments in my life is when I just walked into a room and felt like

Speaker 4 I'm just me and I can just be me in any situation. So that comfort, you know, I feel comfortable in my own skin more than I ever have.

Speaker 4 But so I know where my triggers through the work are going to come from. And I know when I start to get down that slippery slope, what can happen?

Speaker 4 Because the thoughts, like you have to recognize the thoughts, understand why you're doing that and doing the work because the thoughts are the thing that can be really disturbing.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I have to imagine that just for most professional athletes, it's such an unnatural position that you're put in.

Speaker 3 When you think about human beings as a species and just how the world works, to have you under such a microscope where, you know, regardless of whether or not people know you, you have 20 to 60 million people that have a strong opinion on you, one way or the other.

Speaker 3 That's not like a natural position for a human to be in.

Speaker 3 And I would guess that that would really set off a lot of triggers for a lot of players, and they develop coping mechanisms that at times might not be healthy.

Speaker 3 Sometimes they are healthy, but for like professional athletes to be speaking about it, it makes others, you know, vulnerable enough or I guess accepting the fact that like, yeah, I've dealt with this stuff too.

Speaker 3 So it's going to be, it has been like a tidal wave almost. I think it's actually

Speaker 3 a really good thing you guys have done. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Paul George came out and said the other day, he goes, man, I was, I was really struggling.

Speaker 4 I didn't factor in, you know, not, this isn't verbatim, but he's like, I didn't, I discounted how big of a deal or how much mental health actually affects you. He goes, I was dealing with anxiety.

Speaker 4 I was dealing with depression. So I hit him up.
I'm like, dude, for you to say that with

Speaker 4 how big of a player you are, like that, that is huge. We're working on social justice, education reform,

Speaker 4 all the way across the board. The NBA has done an amazing job, I feel.
But for him to say that is so big. It's just like DeMar saying it.

Speaker 4 Because you also have to factor in, like, racial lines play a major factor when it comes to mental health.

Speaker 4 And, you know, if you're going out for a job at corporate America, you're coming up in

Speaker 4 a classroom trying to be whatever, it's valedictorian or trying to have a lot of success.

Speaker 4 If you allow that to be spoken, you put that out into the world.

Speaker 3 I had DeMar say

Speaker 4 something to me at the Aspen Ideas Institute last year, and it was last, I believe, May, and

Speaker 4 he said something to the point of, and this is what I got out of it, is that it's just another weapon that people who you know can use it against you will use it against you.

Speaker 4 So you don't want to be vulnerable. Plus, we don't have enough racial diversity in people that can treat people of color.
So we need more people of color being therapists.

Speaker 4 We need more people of color working with them so that they can get the best out of them in any other way because we need early intervention.

Speaker 4 We need early intervention with these kids because your brain is going to change way before your behavior.

Speaker 4 So finding that and however you can do the screening, as I mentioned, early intervention, that's going to be huge. That's going to be huge.

Speaker 4 But we have to level the playing field with that, create tools, have research, educate, continue to beat down the stigma. Like there's so much to this, so many layers to that.

Speaker 4 And the tough thing is, if somebody has bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, you know, acute anxiety, depression, like you can't put, you know, myself and Big Cat into a box and say, okay, you guys both have bipolar disorder.

Speaker 4 We're going to treat this one way. Right.

Speaker 4 We have to have alternative ways to know the triggers, you know, pinpoint exactly what kids are going through, everybody's going through, and how are we going to treat this?

Speaker 4 Because it's just like with my meds. Like I had to toy with it in order to get it right.
How can we treat this person the right way so that they can reach honestly their full potential?

Speaker 4 And that sounds like a happy ending or a fairy tale version. Like the work is going to take a long time.
And for me, I know that I will... never get rid of this imbalance.

Speaker 4 And it's something that I just had to change my relationship with, but

Speaker 4 it's been really freeing for me. That's all I'll say.

Speaker 4 It's worth the work, and it does get better.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you can manage it, and

Speaker 3 it's going to be an issue, but it's also going to be better and more smooth overall if you do take that step. Yeah, I agree with Big Cat.
Like, that was kind of a huge moment, I think, in the NBA.

Speaker 4 And I also think, no, it's cool. And I don't want people to think it's just me.

Speaker 3 No, no, no, no, no. But I remember seeing it and being like, oh, yeah, Kevin Love, like, this is, because

Speaker 3 it is, there is a stigma. Male athlete, like, talking about this stuff is hard.

Speaker 4 So, right. And I do, like, I understand that it's probably easy for me to,

Speaker 4 I mean, easier, I should say. And I mentioned the racial lines or, you know, somebody who doesn't have to worry about their bills, their kids.

Speaker 4 You know, it's, you know, a white boy from suburban America, two-family, two-parent home.

Speaker 4 So many layers to it. But it doesn't matter.
It doesn't discriminate. Also, it was like with Robin Williams dying or...

Speaker 4 Kate Spade or, you know, that Anthony Bourdain was a quote I was talking about on my Instagram earlier. It's like, it just shows you that success is an immune to depression.

Speaker 3 That's a very good point.

Speaker 4 And it just does not discriminate. I don't care who you are, socioeconomic status, gender profile, whatever.
It does not, it doesn't care. And it's, a lot of the time it's inherent.

Speaker 4 Like, it's in your gene pool. There's already that imbalance.
So, and at any point, somebody's going to deal with grievances, loss.

Speaker 4 It's, I mean, I guess what I'm trying to say is there's so many layers to this. It's so complex, but it's really, we're in a pandemic.
It's the pandemic that nobody's talking about here. Right.

Speaker 4 Because globally, it affects over 300 million people. Depression does.
And anxiety.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's like, I think it's one-third of Americans now have, you know, are suffering from both anxiety and depression.

Speaker 3 That's every third person. You can't heal what you don't reveal.
I like that. And the fact that it rhymes, I think that's a big thing.
Just like we remember rounds. I remember rhyme.

Speaker 3 No, it's a Jay-Z line. Oh, shit.
Well, good. Yeah, no, we knew that was a Jay-Z line.
Yeah, it was on the Carter. It was on the Carter.
Blake just texted me saying, call him back.

Speaker 3 So I guess I'll call him back.

Speaker 3 Well, we can keep going. Finally, the hard question.

Speaker 3 At what point

Speaker 3 did you realize that LeBron was an alcoholic?

Speaker 3 Hold on. Let me ask you this.

Speaker 4 Alcoholic? Sheesh.

Speaker 3 No, he's not an alcoholic. No, no, no, no, no.
He loves wine.

Speaker 4 Alcoholic. Does that, yeah, I'm saying, is it

Speaker 4 what's the lesser of two evils to be more like drunk on wine or like power?

Speaker 3 Or drunk on power where he tries to hours.

Speaker 3 Uh-huh.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Fuck.

Speaker 4 Forget my proverb.

Speaker 3 Did you feel pressure to drink wine around him? Yeah, you like that.

Speaker 4 But again, victory is reserved for those willing to pay its price.

Speaker 3 True. Okay, I like that too.

Speaker 4 Little Sun Tzu.

Speaker 3 But was that, yeah, Art of War, was he saying, like, drink this wine and you will win? Like, Michael's secret stuff? Yeah, but it was like the

Speaker 4 blood of Christ.

Speaker 3 It's become a phenomenon in the NBA. It's pretty cool, though.
CJ McCollum also

Speaker 3 has 85 bottles of wine in his hotel room.

Speaker 4 Oh, I thought he brought it in. I was going to say, I offered.

Speaker 3 I offered. I think he got a shit.
You don't have that on film, but I offered. I think he wanted to sell it to everybody else that was there.

Speaker 3 So he just had a shitload of cases brought in, knowing that they might not be able to get good wine in the bubble. I'm going to have the market cornered on it.

Speaker 4 That sort of thing. What's what Jimmy Butler did with coffee?

Speaker 3 The coffee, yeah.

Speaker 4 $20 coffee. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Who do you think is doing that right now with marijuana? Who's got a just a room? There's a stash out. Probably JR.

Speaker 3 So that was my other question. Speaking of JR, what was the locker room like after the finals game when he ran out the clock?

Speaker 4 It was tough.

Speaker 4 You know, but a lot of people forget, you know, like there's so much on, like there's so, obviously in every game, there's times where you're like, fuck, I wish we had that possession back.

Speaker 4 I wish we had it.

Speaker 4 Time and score,

Speaker 4 you know, the whole thing. He was within a few feet of the basket right there.
It's tough.

Speaker 3 It was really tough. But like,

Speaker 3 also

Speaker 4 with George Hill, like, people forget the free throws as well. So it's like, that's where it becomes like a...
You throw everything in, it's an accumulation. Like, it was both of those.

Speaker 3 Right, right.

Speaker 4 But that was tough because it's not like he threw it up there he airballed it he threw it up and it went over the bat like he threw it up he got the shit you know pushed into the third row he like went backwards did he say anything in the locker room like what was the first i felt it was like mario kart when you're in eighth place and you just want the blue shell and then you just go backwards and you just start firing at you yes like when they're about to bowser's castle they're just about to like yes make the jump so wario stadium but who did it who's who talked who talked first who made the leap no who who said something when you get in the locker room was j.r.

Speaker 3 Smith like yo my bad

Speaker 4 i i think it was a given yeah like he just don't think we all just put his head down and we're like i mean he knew yeah and that that it was just a tough position because i love swish

Speaker 4 love swish he's such a good dude he's so misunderstood he's fucking he's just an awesome awesome guy but in that moment i mean everybody has that it just happened to be like when it happens on the biggest stage like that it's just something that always excuse me you'll never get magnified yeah if i was tough i i have two tough last questions one uh what kind of soup was it that J.R.

Speaker 3 Smith threw?

Speaker 4 That is a great question. It was

Speaker 4 one of my favorite favorites. What's the

Speaker 4 tortilla soup?

Speaker 3 Oh, tortilla soup. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 I feel like tortilla soup, depending on how you make it too, can hit a little different when you have

Speaker 4 face and skin.

Speaker 3 Did it have the chips in there? That's what, yeah. Because that can cut somebody.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 No, it really can. If they're stale,

Speaker 3 you better forget it. Yeah, if it's got chips and then the hot sauce can sting afterwards if you put like salt sauce on it.

Speaker 4 What I'm saying, you have if you have any Tabasco in there, chulu, not so much, but you put the right hot sauce in there.

Speaker 3 Right. It cuts you and then it gets into your pork.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Were you surprised how big of a story that was afterwards? That like the details of it was a cup of soup that was thrown. Were you surprised that that was the best? The funniest thing was,

Speaker 4 in perfect calves fashion, like I told you we thrive under chaos. Like we had a NBA meeting after the facts, like they say 90 minutes to 120, two hours.

Speaker 4 And he walked in and just sat down like nothing happened.

Speaker 3 Your dog is here now. Just pretending to be back.
But Blake said that he doesn't have servers, so he needs a FaceTime audio. Hey, man,

Speaker 3 I just saw those

Speaker 3 wildfires in Southern California.

Speaker 3 I was calling in to see if you're okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm all good. Okay, so

Speaker 3 is the smoke getting to your house in LA?

Speaker 3 As far as I know, no, I'm on the East Coast right now.

Speaker 3 Oh, you're on the East Coast?

Speaker 3 Where are you?

Speaker 3 I'm on the Hamptons right now.

Speaker 3 That's funny. We're in the Hamptons.

Speaker 3 Wait, wait, show me your background. Yeah, we're actually at Kevin Love's house right now.

Speaker 3 And have you ever been here? Have you ever been here?

Speaker 3 No, no, I haven't.

Speaker 3 It looks dope, though.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's interesting because it... It seems like you were planking with him this morning and you knew we were coming over and then you just were like, I don't want to see my guys.
So.

Speaker 3 I had to dip out. I completely forgot today was the day.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 All right. Well, Kevin's a good guy.
Blake Ribbon's our new guy's pretty good.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Kevin's our new guy. Yeah.
Yeah. You're out.
I'm out of it. Kevin's going to be the new Blake of the year.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Blake of Year. Blake lovely.

Speaker 4 He had a home run derby with Seinfeld and East.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 If Kevin legally changes his name, his

Speaker 3 middle names to Blake, then I'm okay with it. Okay.
All right. Well, enjoy the Hamptons, man.

Speaker 3 We'll be here for the rest of the week.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. Let's get to it.
I'm here until Sunday. I was just kidding.
We're leaving in like an hour, so thanks a lot.

Speaker 3 All right, Mambo.

Speaker 3 I can see it.

Speaker 3 God damn it, bleed.

Speaker 3 So somber. Yeah, he really didn't seem

Speaker 3 what makes it harder is he didn't even seem that upset that we caught him. Yeah.
He's just like, whatever. Oh, show me your background.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 4 Oh, I forgot today was the day.

Speaker 3 All right, I got to go.

Speaker 3 Let's go take it.

Speaker 3 Let's see. Do I have any other questions?

Speaker 3 I do have one last one.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 the Boston Sports Main account famously tweeted out a couple years ago. It was a video of a bunch of, it was a white guy dabbing around a bunch of black kids dabbing.

Speaker 3 And the white guy was the last one up. And it tweeted like, this is Kevin Love trying to fit in with his teammates.

Speaker 3 And you replied, well,

Speaker 3 being able to fit in with his teammates has gotten that little white kid a lot of primo box over the years.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 what is the most important way to fit in to get primo box?

Speaker 4 Lose 30.

Speaker 3 Gain 100. Actually, I don't know.

Speaker 4 I think the respect I got from having a chin strap probably led me into. But by the way, the best part of that whole thing is I was like, Primo, okay, where is the emoji emoji?

Speaker 4 It was the perfect emoji.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was to have that. For box? Oh, it was great.
Yeah. It also, you know.

Speaker 4 I don't know if it's FedEx or UPS, but the box.

Speaker 3 No, it was a very funny tweet. But when you respond, it was a good,

Speaker 4 like, it was a good comeback.

Speaker 3 When athletes respond like that and gauge, people, it's always a win for them.

Speaker 4 No, it's amazing. And by the way, I love Barstool.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So you were, because people definitely thought, like, oh man, he was mad. I didn't think you were mad.
That was a great clapback. No.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 It was an amazing clapback. And I would imagine if I came at you guys, there would be some price to pay with the clapback.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there'd be a little bit. But then I also liked a year later, you got a shipment of wine that came in a box, I think, from LeBron.

Speaker 3 And you took a picture of it and you tweeted at us and you said, look at this Primo box.

Speaker 3 Exactly.

Speaker 4 So it takes on a life of its own. I actually said, like, I have guys, people on the road, hey, love.

Speaker 3 Primo box. pre-mo bucks i'm like hey man it's 2020 maybe uh well now they're gonna say euphemism now they're gonna say blake yeah i hope you're preparing

Speaker 3 the year title i'm i'm definitely you're interim blake right now until such time yeah but typically when you're interim head coach you get fired

Speaker 3 not to hang up on the not to like

Speaker 3 like have this drug but did you tell him we were coming here yeah yes this is like this is like your first all-star we're david he goes he goes he goes we're david stern right now we're giving you

Speaker 3 a blake

Speaker 3 god damn it

Speaker 4 smiths is my witness. He goes, yeah, I've been on the show.
Those guys are cool.

Speaker 3 That's like being like, oh, yeah, this is my best friend. And they're like, yeah, this is my friend.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's why you have an acquaintance.

Speaker 4 You go, no, no, we're actually really good friends. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, oh, shit. Really good.
You like that? Really? Yeah.

Speaker 3 I love you.

Speaker 3 The Primo Box. Right back at you, pal.
Yeah. The Primo Box was, yeah.
That was great. Yes.
Great, great. Oh, I did have one last one.

Speaker 3 Clay Thompson, you played literally baseball with him.

Speaker 3 Do we not have pictures of that? We do. Why don't they show, like when Clayton Kershaw and Matthew Stafford played, was it Clayton Kershaw and Matthew Stafford? Yeah, I think it was those two.

Speaker 3 They always throw that picture out there. Yeah.
Like I feel like we never get that picture of you guys playing Little League.

Speaker 4 I think they did it once because I remember Van Gundy, you know, I think it was Mike Breen,

Speaker 4 Van Gundy, and Mark Jackson. Like they always do the games together.
Right. And

Speaker 4 I actually love when they do the games. They have a great call, but

Speaker 4 they call the games great. But they brought that up and they had the, you know, they highlighted the faces on on this giant kid.

Speaker 3 He needed more, yeah, so young.

Speaker 4 He was the only 11-year-old on the 12-year-old all-star team. Pretty cool.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 Van Gundy always has like the good sound bites.

Speaker 4 He says, you know, can you imagine being one of those kids on that team and being like, I played with these two guys that are, you know, all multiple time all-stars in the finals, all NBA guys.

Speaker 4 Like, can you imagine what that must have been like? Like, looking back and looking. So it's a cool photo.
It's a really cool photo.

Speaker 3 Were you guys awesome?

Speaker 4 We were awesome. We should have, we felt like we should have made the Little League World Series, but we got at state, we had this one guy that threw seven.

Speaker 3 Either you did or you didn't.

Speaker 4 Yeah. What do you mean you should?

Speaker 3 You felt like we did. We felt like we should have.

Speaker 4 I mean, we felt like we should have.

Speaker 3 I said, we should have felt. Right?

Speaker 3 We either did it or we didn't. We didn't make it.
We were at state, and we had this guy that threw like a. Oh, did you ever go to the Little League? Hey Decky felt like we should have.

Speaker 3 How do you say his name?

Speaker 3 Submarine? Yeah.

Speaker 4 This guy threw basically submarine. He's throwing seven, which is like, you know, they do the adjustment to, you know, it's like inflation, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's 98 miles an hour. So this guy's throwing heat.

Speaker 4 Uh-huh. And nobody could hit it except for our like top three hitters.
The bottom of our lineup was bad.

Speaker 3 Well, I felt like you should have won the entire thing. Yeah.
Thank you. Sure.

Speaker 4 I felt like we should have.

Speaker 3 That's just my thoughts. Yes.
I felt like this interview went really well. And I felt like I was great friends with Blake Griffin until 30 minutes ago.

Speaker 4 I was told I take some getting used to, but I felt like this went really well.

Speaker 3 You were good.

Speaker 4 Well, no, from the outside, people are like, oh, what's this guy going to do?

Speaker 3 Who says that?

Speaker 4 Name name. I just felt like LeBron.

Speaker 3 JJ told me. Yeah, LeBron J.
J.J. No, LeBron.
Jonathan definitely was like, Kevin Love takes some getting used to. No, I think JJ was maybe trying to scare you away.
I think I fit in with you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's got a podcast now. He's trying to keep you all to himself.
Yeah, when are you going to do your podcast? I'm sure you got one in the works. Everyone, I mean, even Blake Griffin has one.

Speaker 4 As far as podcasts go, Barsteel is pretty much the way to go.

Speaker 3 If I'm not on,

Speaker 3 you know. But I'd be competing with you guys.
Yeah, we could call it. I want to be a celebrity guest.

Speaker 3 Stop fitting, fitting stop trying to fit kev out and start trying to fit kev in yeah and i'll have a program in my show where we say just my thoughts yeah well you're a recurring guest now so when we do want you back on which will be like in three months we'll just be like hey when you go to the delete eight perfect which is a great name for it is that is that an official name or is that just what you call it i mean i've heard that before so i just used it but i think it's a great name yes delete eight delete eight delete eight good luck are you trying to win how important is it to you to win the delete eight probably if you asked me three months from now and we ended up winning, Matt, if we won that, that would probably be all things considered with what's going on.

Speaker 4 If we won that, it would be a big deal.

Speaker 3 Oh, listen. If the Bulls win that, I'm making shirts.
I made shirts for them winning the summer league. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I want shirts even when we just start that say elite eight.

Speaker 3 Elite eight finalists. Yeah.
Any lead eight finalists. Even if you don't win.

Speaker 4 And I'm going to say, listen, listen, we made it to the quarterfinals.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 We felt like we could have won. We should have won.
We felt like we could have won. We have to.

Speaker 4 Either win.

Speaker 3 All right. Well, Kevin, this has been awesome, man.
Thanks so much. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for having me. Thanks for making your way out to the Hamptons.

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All right, Jamal Murray's insane right now, by the way.

Speaker 3 He's not going to score.

Speaker 3 44 points, 7 for 10 from 3, 15 for 22 field goals.

Speaker 6 If they win this series and he averages more than 40, that'll be like...

Speaker 3 Insane. The craziest shot of all time.

Speaker 3 Actually, Billy, you know what? I forgot to bring it up. This is all turned since you said I was fucked Peter.

Speaker 3 You don't believe that? I'm not even watching Big Bridge. You don't believe in that? No, I believe in that.
You're a terrible gambler, and that was a terrible pick. Correct.

Speaker 3 And both these teams stink. More, lay it on.
Fuck you for even gambling. Yes, give it to me.
Go off, Queen.

Speaker 3 But, Billy, I forgot about a fire fest for you on Friday.

Speaker 3 Oh!

Speaker 3 That's no way that went. Jamal Murray's insane right now.
They're going to take it off. That was a kill.
Foot was on the line. Fucking insane.
Foot was on the line. Anyways, Billy.
What has he been?

Speaker 3 He's been averaging 40. It's like 38 before this game.
I know he scored 40 back. He scored over 40 back-to-back with no turnovers, which is fucking ridiculous

Speaker 3 jesus christ go ahead sorry if he scores more than 40 in game seven he'll it'll be over 40 for sure they got to stop hitting these threes he scored 42 50 i just laughed that scored 12 and 14 and now i'm screwed game three and four hank that screws it um but billy i forgot about your firefest on friday so i tracked down with the help of our darling jake um the actual preseason game that my avatar on twitter the picture that it was taken from it was in october or no, excuse me, August 15th, 2010, Titans Seahawks game.

Speaker 3 Yeah. We found the footage online.
You have to watch the entire game. You can't look away.
You're going to watch it live on a live stream.

Speaker 3 So the live stream is going to be Billy watching the football game. If Billy looks away, call him out because he can't look away from the screen.

Speaker 3 I want you to find the section of that game that my Twitter avatar was taken from and then make clips of it and take some more screenshots because I want to find out who this dude is. Do I have to do

Speaker 3 the right broadcast? I think so. The Seahawks broadcast.
We found the Titans broadcast, but the one that we still have to watch this.

Speaker 3 And if it's not in there, then we have to track down the Seahawks version of the broadcast. Awesome.
So you will be doing that on a live stream. I would love to uncover.

Speaker 3 But you can't look away. You actually have to do work.
And your work in this circumstance is literally sitting still watching football on TV. Can you do that? I'm going to have to be medicated.

Speaker 3 It's the easiest assignment you'll ever get, Billy.

Speaker 3 Okay, I'll do it. You got this.
All right. So anything on Billy's list?

Speaker 3 Before we do our lottery numbers?

Speaker 3 Let's see.

Speaker 3 Bella Thorns ruined OnlyFans. Oh, fuck, and so did Billy.
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Speaker 3 I do like this quote from Les Miles. He said, players opting out because of COVID-19 concerns are actually opting into the pandemic.
Oh,

Speaker 3 they're letting the pandemic win. Exactly.
Yeah, you're simping for a virus. Wow.
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Speaker 3 Okay, so let's do.

Speaker 3 Oh, sorry. We have game two.

Speaker 3 It was game two and three that he sucked at. I'm looking at it right now.

Speaker 3 All right, we're ready to do the last.

Speaker 6 I heard the broadcast earlier. It's 30.8.
I thought they said 38.

Speaker 6 Like, he's averaging 30.8 points per game. So it's still possible.
But when I heard it earlier, I thought it was 38.

Speaker 3 30 point and then 8 sounds like he's also averaging 30 points and 8 points at the same time.

Speaker 3 So that would be 38 to your point.

Speaker 3 All right, you ready for picks? Let's do it.

Speaker 3 So here's the deal. The beefy question.

Speaker 3 I'm going to give the winner of this is going to get a link for Butcher Box. You ready for it? I'm only going to give it to the winner.
Okay. Butcher Box, the best.

Speaker 3 Receive quality meats delivered to your door now. Butcher Box.
All right.

Speaker 3 You guys going to pick a number? I'm going 17. 17.
Fuck. 17.
Is that where you were going to pick Hank? Whoever's closest. Whoever's closest.
Whoever's closest.

Speaker 3 13. Everyone knows Hank's lucky numbers.
83.

Speaker 3 Okay. Someone write this down.
I'm 17. 70.
I'm going to go 54.

Speaker 3 What numbers are hot right now? 83.

Speaker 6 16.

Speaker 3 All right, here we go. 18.

Speaker 3 44.

Speaker 3 44. Jake's got 44.
What do I have, Jake? I don't know. What'd you say? 53.
54. Big cap.
55. 13.

Speaker 3 96.

Speaker 3 Billy, 83.

Speaker 4 96 is the winner. Fuck.

Speaker 3 96 is the winner.

Speaker 3 I'm the closest. All right.
Billy, butcherbox.com slash PMT. Awesome, billionaires.
So that's your code, dude. That is your code.
Butcherbox.com slash PMT.

Speaker 3 That's your code. Awesome.
Yeah. Let the meat talk, Billy.
Yeah. Ooh, ooh, Donovan Mitchell just threw his chair.
Donovan Mitchell was mad.

Speaker 3 I do have a question for the lottery machine. Okay.
Can it help us solve a problem here? Yeah. Because Billy was trying to recruit us to do Sober September, whatever that is.

Speaker 3 I guess Billy just doesn't want us to drink during September along with him.

Speaker 3 We said no emphatically to that. It's not because I think we had any plans on getting loaded in September, but I don't want to be told what to do by Billy.
Yep.

Speaker 3 But we talked about flipping it on him and just getting hammered extra during September while Billy is not drinking at all. I like that.
Call it September.

Speaker 3 And I want to ask the lottery machine, how many beers should I drink during September? Ooh, okay, good one.

Speaker 3 I will match this number.

Speaker 3 I lost 96, which is unfortunate.

Speaker 3 I will abide by the lottery machine. We'll end the show with this.
How many beers will PFT drink in September?

Speaker 3 I hope it's like three, and then you basically have to deal with me then i'll just i'll drink liquor and mad dog four

Speaker 3 no you can only drink four i can only drink four beers dude yourself you did say how big the beers could be true good point four kegs yeah four kegs

Speaker 3 that's like six hundred sixty seventy beers bro you're too you would never dude i'm not gonna lie i really missed

Speaker 3 i really missed it what do you say you're too lazy to acquire a keg you won't acquire four kegs what do you mean i can't acquire a keg called you out you will not acquire called your ass out i guess i have to buy four kegs now.

Speaker 3 You called your ass out. I will buy a keg during September and I'll bring it into the office and everyone's allowed to have some except for you.
Wow. I'm excited for keg day off.

Speaker 3 This is going to be sick. It sucks.
Keg Day AI.

Speaker 3 So I'm going to put it at your desk. Legitimately.
In a bucket. Come into work and be like, hey, guys, like, I'm not going to college.
I have no friends because they all left.

Speaker 3 Which was very hurtful because I thought we were good friends. Well, yeah.
But so then I'm like, hey, do you guys want to do this thing? Like, it's stuff people do.

Speaker 3 And then it's like, no, fuck fuck you for trying to do something healthy. Well, no, now I want to get loaded.
You made me realize. You rekindled my love for beer, Billy.
Thank you.

Speaker 6 And September is such a good name.

Speaker 3 September is a, yeah. That's a great name.
September.

Speaker 3 Join along. Let me know.
And let Billy know if you're going to play along with part of my take. Big cat, do you want to get involved with September?

Speaker 3 I'm in September. We're all drinking four beers minimum this September.
Beers with the boys. It's happening.
Billy, I wish you could join, but I might do sober October. October.
I didn't agree yet.

Speaker 3 I don't have a partner I was going to do, so I might join with you, or am I not allowed? You're not allowed. Okay, so I guess I have to do sober September.
Sober September for Billy.

Speaker 3 Dude, the boys are getting loaded.

Speaker 3 I won't lie. Being away from my machine all weekend really sucked.
Cause I just... Let's do one more.
You had so many questions.

Speaker 3 I just

Speaker 3 loved being around. I just love being around.
It's the power of this machine. What, Hank? What? Oh, you want to go play your freaking Call of Duty, dude? I have nothing to do with that.

Speaker 3 This is fucking real life.

Speaker 6 I just laugh like when you guys are like, we're going to keep it tight. We're we're going to keep it tight, we're going to keep it tight.
And then we just like

Speaker 3 a lottery machine. All right, last one.
Last one. Even a ride question, but all right.
Uh

Speaker 3 fuck, I don't have one. Stop it.

Speaker 3 I can't stop it. I'll do it.
I got one. I got one.
I got one for the next one. Next one.
All right. We'll go let this one go.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 3 What was that?

Speaker 3 Odds. Is that 28? 20.
Does Hank suck at video games? Odds, yes. Evens, no.

Speaker 3 Odds, yes. Odds, yes, odds, yes, odds, yes.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 it's a 39, it's odd. You suck, dude.

Speaker 3 Little nerf guns. Dear lottery machine, should Hank have Billy do his taxes for him?

Speaker 3 If 51 to 100

Speaker 3 is yes. Okay.

Speaker 3 1 to 50 is no. Okay.

Speaker 3 Hank, you have to do it. I just won't do my taxes again.

Speaker 3 Where is it?

Speaker 3 Damn it.

Speaker 3 I should have kept track of the numbers that it was picking. Okay.
One more.

Speaker 3 If it's 20 and above, then Billy has to do it. 20 and above.

Speaker 3 Or no, 20 and below. How about? Give me the odds.
20 and below.

Speaker 3 If it's divisible by three. Okay.
Divisible by three. If it's divisible by four, Billy has to do it drunk.

Speaker 3 25. 25.
Shot neither of those. All right.
Damn it. The lottery machine is spoken.
Dude, Small Murray 50 Burger. Unbelievable.
Dude is sick. All right.
See everyone on Wednesday. I love you guys.

Speaker 3 And we have Billy's new segment, which is Billy's Fun Facts. Billy.

Speaker 3 90% of koalas.

Speaker 6 You got to talk louder.

Speaker 6 You got to talk louder.

Speaker 3 90% of koalas

Speaker 3 have chlamydia.

Speaker 6 I still couldn't really hear that.

Speaker 3 That's an insane amount.

Speaker 3 One more time. I had this really crazy dream.

Speaker 3 I had this really crazy dream

Speaker 3 where we went to. From the beginning.
Oh.

Speaker 3 About 90% of koalas have chlamydia

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 I had this crazy dream. We went to interview Elon Musk and we were like, why does he want to come on the show? Like there's no, he's like, what? Like he knows who we are.

Speaker 3 And then we went to his house and he locked us in his basement. He just fucks koalas.
And he was like, you're not allowed to leave the basement.

Speaker 3 90% chance Philly's got chlamydia. God damn it.
Philly's got chlamydia.

Speaker 3 You like going down there? That's a good thing. Anyway, like people who handle koalas at zoos sometimes catch chlamydia.

Speaker 3 God damn it.

Speaker 3 Anyway, Elon Musk wouldn't let us out until we cave a hot take to charge his time machine. And then we did.
Fucker. We don't

Speaker 3 do that.

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Speaker 3 I'm coming to your love, J.

Speaker 3 I

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Speaker 3 Needless to say,

Speaker 3 I've always said it's about me, somewhere in a way.

Speaker 3 Some of the learning life is okay. Stay after me.

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Speaker 3 Take

Speaker 3 it off,

Speaker 3 display my learning light.

Speaker 3 There are things I've got to remember. And you're shy and away.

Speaker 3 Love me coming for you, anyway.

Speaker 3 And you're shine away.

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Speaker 3 Take on me, ABO.

Speaker 3 It's pardon my tip presented by Bar School Sports.