NBA Insider Shams Charania, Actor Danny Trejo And Big Cat Bought A Lottery Machine

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we got a lot to talk about. Sports obviously stopped on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 We will discuss the boycotts in the protests in the NBA, MLB, MLS. Didn't forget about you, MLS, WNBA,

Speaker 4 esports, professional games.

Speaker 1 Esports.

Speaker 1 All across the sports world. Do not forget about esports.

Speaker 1 We have Shams Trania from the Athletic, friend of the program. He's been on the show before.
NBA reporter. He's in the bubble.

Speaker 1 He tells us exactly what's going on, what's going to happen going forward with the NBA playoffs. We have actor Danny Trejo.
You probably recognize him as the badass guy in every single movie ever.

Speaker 1 We have Firefest of the Week. We have documentary review of Big Ben's Bigger Than Ben episode one.
And also, I bought a lottery machine. So we've got a lot to get to.

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Speaker 1 Today is Friday, August 28th.

Speaker 1 I have a quote for you guys. You ready? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Guess what, guys? Everything is going to shit. The world is fucking crumbling, but we have sports back, so just say fuck it and listen to part of my take.

Speaker 1 That was me last Friday.

Speaker 4 Good quote. Jinx Cat.
Sports are back. Sports are no longer back.

Speaker 4 Sports Week. Sports are coming back maybe Friday.

Speaker 1 Maybe Saturday.

Speaker 4 But yeah, yesterday was a big day in terms of no sports. It caught us all by surprise.
Everybody was expecting the Bucs and the Magic to play. The Magic had their buses lined up to leave.

Speaker 1 They were going to Turks and Caicos.

Speaker 4 They were excited to get the hell out of the bubble and go and get their asses kicked by the Bucks. And then the Bucs didn't show up on the court.
And then everything kind of dominoed from there. Yes.

Speaker 4 And the NBA went on strike.

Speaker 1 It was a crazy day.

Speaker 1 It felt like a historic day.

Speaker 1 I did say that on Twitter. Obviously, there were the cynics that were like, nothing's going to change.
And I get that. We can talk about that in a minute.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I don't remember a day when all the sports just stopped in protest.

Speaker 4 Last time this happened was a preseason game. The Celtics.
Bill Russell decided to boycott a game back, I think it was like the 70s, but it was a preseason game. Right.

Speaker 4 So, like, this is a, yes, it's a bubble game, which feels a little bit different, but it's definitely the first time that this has ever happened.

Speaker 1 Also, Andrew Luck last year.

Speaker 4 True.

Speaker 1 For the whole 2019 year.

Speaker 4 Yes, the magic. We're very surprised when that happened.
What were you saying?

Speaker 1 1961. 1961.
All right. So obviously, this show, everyone knows this show is lighthearted in nature.

Speaker 1 We don't usually get into serious topics, but this is a topic that is very, very heavy in the sports world.

Speaker 1 I guess, simply put,

Speaker 1 I'll always support the right to protest in this country.

Speaker 1 So being able to use your leverage and power to protest to try to enact change is kind of the most American thing you can do in my mind, personally.

Speaker 1 It's why this country is so great, is that you have the ability to say, I don't agree with something, I want to change something, and you can wake up tomorrow morning and it's not, you know, Putin's put you in jail.

Speaker 4 Right. Well, that's what happens every single day.
When the games are being played, it's the result of like a collective bargaining agreement between the owners and the players.

Speaker 4 And the owners are like, we want to make money through the rules that are set up right now. Here's what your collective bargaining stake is going to be.
And the players agree to that.

Speaker 4 But then if the players want to protest, it's their right.

Speaker 1 And they,

Speaker 4 people are saying like they don't have anything at stake. They're millionaires.
They actually do have a lot at stake, which we get into into a little bit with Shams. Like, yes, they have a great job.

Speaker 4 I think they all probably love their jobs, but they are putting it on the line, not only in terms of their reputation, but also future earnings if the salary cap does go down because of the actions that they take.

Speaker 4 So, like, yeah, they have some skin in the game, too. And I said this online yesterday.
Maybe I can clarify it a little bit, but there are a lot of people who

Speaker 4 just want to watch sports. And I totally understand that.
Sports is an outlet. It's an escape for a lot of people.
I get that. It's an escape for me all the time.
Yes. I fucking love sports, okay?

Speaker 1 We have that approach for the most part on this show.

Speaker 1 We treat sports as an escape.

Speaker 4 Yes, it's an escape, and it's a wonderful escape, and it kicks ass, and it's awesome. But there are a lot of people that say, you know, they're the kind of shut up and dribble crowd.

Speaker 4 Like, I want to be entertained.

Speaker 4 Don't mix politics with sports, that sort of thing.

Speaker 4 That's fine. You can think that way, but I also think that what we've seen over the last

Speaker 4 couple of months and especially the last few years, I don't think it's ever going to go back to players not using their leverage in terms of getting into political arguments or political discussions or activism or that sort of thing.

Speaker 4 So at this point, it's like you can either stop watching sports entirely or you can just kind of accept that this is going to be the new normal.

Speaker 4 You're not always going to agree with what the players are protesting for or all their views on everything.

Speaker 4 But I think that it's you're putting your head in the sand if you think that it's ever going to go back to more of the way it was when these two things didn't interact as much.

Speaker 1 Yep, I agree with that.

Speaker 1 Really, it comes down to this for me.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to tell

Speaker 1 a black person how to feel about this. And I don't think anyone sitting in my shoes should.
Or, like, you know, like that's that's kind of where it comes down. Like, it boils down to.

Speaker 1 I know there are a lot of people who are hurting in this country for various different reasons from all walks of life.

Speaker 1 We're not doing well. Like, everything's kind of feels like the world's falling apart.
2020 has not been a banner year,

Speaker 1 to put it lightly. And I know that, you know, people have lost their jobs and people are saying, well, athletes are getting to play a kids game and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 I get that people have grievances and they feel hurt in different ways. But at the end of the day, I'm not going to tell black people how to feel about this.
And I don't think you should either.

Speaker 1 But I also am not going to tell other people how to feel about it, too, because that's kind of the thing. Like, if you disagree with me, that's fine.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm not going to change my opinion on this matter. But if you think differently and you want to tell me that, that's fine.

Speaker 1 I also said yesterday that I'm not going to waste my energy on Twitter. Twitter is a broken platform for any type of real discussion or discourse.

Speaker 1 No one goes to Twitter to hear anyone else's frame of mind. Anyone else, they don't go to Twitter and say, I'm going to read a tweet and now change my opinion.

Speaker 1 They go to Twitter to see the tweet that either makes them mad and makes them want to reply.

Speaker 1 in anger or they go and see in their own echo chamber and bubble and retweet it and then they pat each other on the back, and it's all kind of bullshit, and everyone's kind of full of shit.

Speaker 1 So I'm not going to do it on Twitter. I'll say what I think here on radio, whatever videos we do, and that's kind of it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 4 I think that it's very tough to have these conversations because there is a lot of nuance and having these types of conversations online is impossible because no matter what you say, somebody can extrapolate your point and then be like, well, this fact in this case goes against what you're saying right now.

Speaker 4 But I think the bigger picture is the NBA players and even the ownership and players in other sports too want to see some progress made.

Speaker 4 They want to see some tangible progress made, whether that's reforming how district attorneys interact with police in terms of officer-involved shootings, that sort of thing.

Speaker 4 I think that's a noble cause, and I applaud them for standing out for what they believe.

Speaker 4 But again,

Speaker 4 you're right. The best place to have this discourse is probably not on Twitter.com.

Speaker 1 One last thing in a semi-serious way, but

Speaker 1 I get the cynic view of this thing. I totally do because I find myself being more cynical every single passing day.
So I get the response of, oh, they sat out of game. What the fuck's going to change?

Speaker 1 I get like people would have that cynical view because it's hard to change things. Like, it's very, very hard.
All I'm going to say is... Give it a chance and let's see.

Speaker 1 It's better than saying nothing can ever change ever. I'm never going to be that person because that person, what's the point?

Speaker 1 If nothing in your life can ever change for the better, you should just stop living. Oh, shit.
So it's like, this is the whole thing: is like, try to

Speaker 1 use whatever you can to make change. Maybe change doesn't happen today.
Maybe it doesn't happen tomorrow. Maybe it doesn't happen 10 years.
Maybe it doesn't have 100 years.

Speaker 1 But at least trying is better than saying nothing will ever change. Just like give up.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think that what the players want to accomplish is a noble goal, right?

Speaker 4 They want fewer black people to be killed by police officers, right? I think everybody can agree that if that were to happen, that would be a good thing, not a bad thing.

Speaker 4 Now it's just a matter of trying to figure out how that can happen logistically, what steps can be taken to address it in the right way.

Speaker 4 I think good for the players for using the power that they have. Again, don't know how it's going to pan out.
I do know that Stephen A.

Speaker 4 Smith right now is wearing his transition glasses on TV, and that is a very, very serious looking Stephen A.

Speaker 1 Look at at that. The rose colour, the blue shade.

Speaker 4 That is a man that will

Speaker 4 sit down and tell you some facts.

Speaker 1 That looks good. All right, so we've kind of talked about the more serious side.
Can we talk about the funner side?

Speaker 4 Well, the positive side is for about 12 hours, Blazers and Five became a possibility game.

Speaker 1 True. True.

Speaker 4 When LeBron James said that the Lakers weren't going to play anymore, then at that point, it was like,

Speaker 4 this is actually literally Blazers and Five. Yes.
I am right. And I felt good about being right, but then it looks like they're going to play.

Speaker 4 Which, listen, if it takes me admitting I was wrong about Blazers and five to bring the NBA back and have him play a full postseason, that'll be my cross to bear, and I'll be so happy.

Speaker 1 Yes, okay, that's huge by you.

Speaker 1 So LeBron was definitely pissed that

Speaker 1 the Bucs did it, went rogue, right? Yes. Very pissed.
Yes.

Speaker 4 LeBron, he knew that he had to make a stand during the meeting because he was like, how am I not the face of what's going on? Right.

Speaker 1 And I get that. Like, he's, he is the biggest player.
He is the league, but it's all the inner workings are very.

Speaker 1 Listen, it's obviously a bigger than sports cause, but then it's also funny to be like, like the this league aspect of it.

Speaker 1 They're still human beings and there's still a pecking order in the NBA. Yeah.
So it's funny to think about like, oh my God, like, yeah, I guess LeBron probably was mad.

Speaker 4 LeBron got a text saying like George Hill is starting this movie. He's like, who the fuck is George Hill?

Speaker 1 Right, right. Even though he was a teammate of his.
Yeah, but especially because he was a teammate.

Speaker 4 He's like, I thought I sent that guy to Canada. What happened?

Speaker 1 I also,

Speaker 1 I did appreciate the referee walk. I was just waiting for Joe West to pop out of a bush with his white armband and be like, hey, guys, I've been trying to get respect for refs.

Speaker 1 And then they'd be like, wait, Joe, this isn't about respect for refs. He's like, oh, shit.
Never mind.

Speaker 4 His referees matter shirts.

Speaker 1 He's like, finally, someone's standing up for the referees of the world. They're like, Joe, that's not what we're talking about.

Speaker 4 Referees have been leading the charge on all this. They went from having the segregated black and white stripes on their shirts to incorporate to blending them into a nice shade of gray.
Gray, yeah.

Speaker 4 So they've really been taking the start on it.

Speaker 1 I love these Stephen A. Smith glasses.

Speaker 4 I hope he keeps these on.

Speaker 1 These are fantastic.

Speaker 1 He looks good.

Speaker 4 He's on mute, so I don't know what he's saying, but I'll tell you, I agree with that.

Speaker 1 Every great word that he's saying, he's making great points. Stephen A.

Speaker 4 Smith were president. He said that he would run and that he would dominate any debate against anyone, but he just doesn't feel like interjecting himself into politics like that.

Speaker 1 Making great fucking points. Jake's trying to get it.

Speaker 4 I don't think. Get close captioning.
That's all right. That's okay.
It's actually better that we don't hear what he's saying right now. That way we can imagine the best points.

Speaker 1 Any other thoughts?

Speaker 4 I actually think that a lot of it has to do, like this all coming to a head yesterday. It's like training camp, right? These guys have been locked in a bubble for forever.

Speaker 4 They're just all pissed off all the time by now.

Speaker 1 They have to be.

Speaker 4 They have to be sick and tired. They have to be bored.

Speaker 4 They've been kept in kind of isolation.

Speaker 1 Very few show up suit.

Speaker 4 But right now, it's just like at the end of training camp, you just want to fight everyone.

Speaker 1 It was cool to see some sports teams follow suit. There was baseball protests, obviously WNBA.
And shout out to MLS. MLS hopped in.
I didn't even know they were back, but now I do.

Speaker 4 That was a good yawn. Hank's yawning.

Speaker 1 Hank's yawning.

Speaker 1 How to so tired? It's like a huge one.

Speaker 4 I took those big catches mentioning MLS and Hank instinctively, boom.

Speaker 1 You slept in the car for an hour on the way back from where we were interviewing. We have Kevin Love coming on Monday.
It's a fucking awesome interview.

Speaker 6 It was like a three-hour drive, and I'm like a child when I'm in a moving vehicle for more than an hour. I fall asleep.

Speaker 6 And as you guys know, once I get woken up, I'm just pissed off and want to go back to sleep.

Speaker 1 So are you tired right now? I just need like a Red Bull. I just need like a Red Bull or something.

Speaker 4 You know what? Whenever Hank gets grumpy, let's just put him in the back of your car, Big Ken, just drive him around the block until he falls asleep.

Speaker 1 Were you going to.

Speaker 1 No, no, it's okay. You don't have to.
Oh, good job. Billy almost got up.
He did the.

Speaker 1 He did the, like,

Speaker 1 when someone's doing the dishes, like, oh, can I help?

Speaker 4 Right as they were finished. Also, shout out to the Cubs yesterday.
Jason Hayward was like, I'm not going to play, but you guys go ahead and play. Yes.
And his teammates were like, okay, cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, Dexter Fowler, too, with the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 Dexter Fowler with the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 I said earlier, it's like if your girlfriend or wife is like, no, I'm just feeling tired. You go out, though, have fun with the boys.

Speaker 1 And you're like, hell yeah.

Speaker 4 All right. See you later.
Let's see you at 4 a.m., babe. Yeah.
I'm coming back drunk as fuck.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So,

Speaker 1 crazy day.

Speaker 1 I do think it's going to be a day that we'll remember because

Speaker 1 it's never happened. Like we said, not for a very long time.
Hank.

Speaker 1 You asked me if you were fucking talking about social justice.

Speaker 1 And you're just yawning in my backswing. You guys asked me to

Speaker 1 forget it.

Speaker 4 Hank thinks that the NBA should kick the Bucs, the Raptors,

Speaker 1 the Heat. Who else out?

Speaker 4 That's fine. Kick the Sixers out too, anyways, right?

Speaker 1 Just for the hell of it. Next year.
So, yeah.

Speaker 4 And kick the Lakers out, right? And the Clippers. I would imagine.

Speaker 1 I would imagine Playoff P was like, yo, I just... got good in the playoffs.
Yeah. Like, we can't stop this now.
Please.

Speaker 1 Right? Oh, Hank.

Speaker 4 Hank's about to. He's fighting.
He fought that off with his eyes. Hanks just closed his eyes and went to the bottom.
Good job, y'all.

Speaker 1 All right, so we're going to talk to Shams a little bit more about it in a minute.

Speaker 1 But let's do some Firefest. We still have the Big Ben

Speaker 1 documentary review coming up. That's going to be great, but

Speaker 1 let's do a Fire Fest. Before we do that, PFD.

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Speaker 1 Breaking Moose.

Speaker 1 Breaking Moose.

Speaker 1 This is a big one, folks.

Speaker 1 Report.

Speaker 1 All Big Ten athletic directors are finally in agreement and asking Commissioner Kevin Warren to revisit fall football season, including Michigan and Michigan State per source.

Speaker 4 This is per Ari Abraham's report.

Speaker 1 Sur Yacht's back, baby. Sur Yacht is gone.

Speaker 1 Fuck Fuck off.

Speaker 1 Fuck off. Sur Yacht.
Wait, do you have a work set up for Suryatta? No, boy, I just got tagged in one being like, look who's back. And I read it and I was like, no, not a.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's making a lot of sense. This is all he has to do.

Speaker 4 He's like, once a week, pop up with this report. Just keep himself relevant.

Speaker 1 I'm ready to get hurt again.

Speaker 1 I'm ready to get hurt again.

Speaker 4 I want football studies.

Speaker 6 I know there's people that are listening to this that think like, oh, shit. Like, they probably listened live and then they thought you were being serious.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll explain it. So you know it.
Sur Yacht is Sur Suryat is a choose your own adventure source. He's wrong all the time, 100% of the time.
He pretty much makes it up.

Speaker 1 But if you want to live in a fantasy land like I do, listen to Suryat and, you know, ignorance is bliss in this respect.

Speaker 4 I do love the fact that, like, twice a week, the Big Ten comes back from the

Speaker 4 Schrödinger conference.

Speaker 4 There are some parents that are showing up outside Big Ten house.

Speaker 1 Now they're so funny.

Speaker 4 Maybe it's back. I just heard that two Nebraska players were suing the Big Ten.
Do it.

Speaker 4 And now the Big Ten is like shitting their pants because the documents will be open for discovery, which I would love to see how athletic directors reach a consensus about anything.

Speaker 1 Kevin Warren, resign, sir. Resign.
I'm going to start tweeting that every day. Resign.

Speaker 1 Not resign.

Speaker 1 Resign.

Speaker 4 Is it spelled the same way? That's always very confusing for me.

Speaker 1 Resign, resign.

Speaker 4 Resign with no dash.

Speaker 1 Resign with a Z. Resign, sir.
All right, Hank. My fire fest is your fucking yawn.

Speaker 6 I can't stop yawning. That's one of my fire fests.
My second one is, so we all got hooked hooked up with these PCs, NZXT PCs. They're like state-of-the-art,

Speaker 6 really nice pieces of equipment.

Speaker 6 But in my apartment, like where I play video games or whatever, you obviously need to run internet into the PC, but where my Wi-Fi router is on the exact opposite side of where

Speaker 6 my desk is.

Speaker 4 This is nerd talk right now.

Speaker 1 And so I would have to run away. Well, it's more like that.

Speaker 6 It's more like girlfriend talk. I need to figure out a way to run a hundred-foot wire like across my apartment over

Speaker 1 here. Here's what you do.

Speaker 6 Without her being like, absolutely not.

Speaker 4 Easy, here's what you do: just wrap Christmas lights around the wire. Christmas lights will make the inside of any apartment look elegant.

Speaker 1 Not the green and red ones. Do the white ones.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the white ones are classic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can put those.

Speaker 1 She'll think she's in 500 days of summer every single night.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you can like hang a giant fish above your bed as long as you stuff it filled with Christmas lights, and girls will be like, that thing is so sad. Nice.

Speaker 8 Billy, I would just run it between where the wall meets the floor boards.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You could also do that.

Speaker 7 And just get extra.

Speaker 6 I think Chris says, no, but that goes through.

Speaker 6 That crosses doorways and shit.

Speaker 1 Will you just sneak it under the door? No, you can buy a strip, like the little bump thing that you put in the doorway. Billy, great idea.
I'm pretty good at DYI. Yeah, you are.

Speaker 1 DYI. DIY.

Speaker 1 DYI.

Speaker 1 Do your do yourself? Driving you insane. Do yourself it? Do you it? Do you it, Hank? You're good at doing yourself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you do yourself.

Speaker 4 Hank, just get like a bunch of

Speaker 4 carpets.

Speaker 1 Just run carpets along the floor. You're so close, Billy.

Speaker 6 I can't explain it enough. It's literally like the worst place possible.

Speaker 4 Okay, then do the Christmas lights idea.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You're going to get so laid. She won't even know that there's internet in the house.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got this, dude.

Speaker 4 It's going to be sick. Is that it? Is that your only fire fest this week? And the yawning.

Speaker 1 And the yawning. And the yawning.

Speaker 4 Again, I've reached the point where I've heard Hank yawn so many times that's soothing to me. It's comforting.
That's how I know he's okay. All right, what's your fire fest?

Speaker 4 My fire fest of the week is I bought a new pair of shoes, and they're sick shoes, and they're awesome, and I love them.

Speaker 4 And they make me look like I'm five foot ten and a half because they have a big air bubble in the heel. Yeah, you might say to yourself, PFT, that's a sick thing.

Speaker 4 That's not a fire fest because check these out. Look at the heels on these suckers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're wearing lifts.

Speaker 4 They're my new favorite pair of wears.

Speaker 4 The problem now is her moon shoes

Speaker 1 way back in the day.

Speaker 4 The problem now is you're wearing them. No, dude, these are Nike Zoom 720s.
They're fly. All the kids are wearing them.

Speaker 4 But my problem is now I can't wear any other pair of shoes because I'm going to feel short as fuck in a normal pair of shoes. So I'm basically stuck in these until I die.

Speaker 1 Yes, that does happen when you start wearing lips.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's going to be like, you know how people at their funerals that have that have wigs, they like snatch their wig off and everyone's like, oh, holy shit, this guy was bald the whole time.

Speaker 4 Dude, like people are going to, they're going to pry these shoes off my feet when I'm 85 years old or however in my casket. And they'll be like, damn, this was a short king.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what? I'll make sure that they stay on your feet in your casket.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you'll stand guard. You're in charge.

Speaker 1 Don't touch the feet. I want somebody.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Nobody touch the feet. That means you, Billy's OnlyFan subscribers.
Yes. I want somebody to guard my grave like the Unknown Soldier.
Yes. Where you shift spots.

Speaker 1 I like that. I mean, by the way, I peep.
For some reason, the Twitch chat has decided to tell me that I have a receding hairline. I do not think I have a receding hairline.

Speaker 1 But if, here's what the Twitch chat doesn't realize.

Speaker 1 i want to be bald because if i were bald you won't shave it no i want to be naturally bald if i were naturally bald i would go and get the worst toupee ever and just dare people to talk about it yeah or just be like go ahead and fucking talk to me about my my skunk on the top of my head you won't or just embrace the horseshoe pattern there aren't that many guys outside of todd reardon the coach of the capitals who embraces the like wreath hairstyle there's a niche out there for guys that have a toupee that admit they have a toupee and just just tell people like go ahead You won't fucking make jokes about it Yeah, and you can show up like different days of the week with slightly different haircuts.

Speaker 4 Yes. Like oh, I'm bleached today.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I really do kind of want to go bald, but I naturally I have beautiful hair, so there's nothing I can do about it.

Speaker 1 All right, my fire fest. I have two.
The first is Brian Erlacher was trending all day. We were out

Speaker 4 guys.

Speaker 1 We were out in the Hamptons. I think his hair plugs actually

Speaker 1 went into his brain.

Speaker 1 But we were out in the Hamptons interviewing Kevin Love. So I saw it, and I was like, well, got to do an interview.
Gonna just ignore this for a second. Came back, still trending.

Speaker 1 I actually, the Fire Fest really is like,

Speaker 1 I don't understand people who still at this point in time, like,

Speaker 1 are shocked when their favorite athlete has a bad take.

Speaker 4 A bad opinion.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a bad opinion. Like, oh, wow,

Speaker 1 you still think like your favorite athlete, because he was good at sports, has good opinions?

Speaker 4 Well, it's not just that. I think it's everyone who likes a certain athlete thinks and wishes and hopes that all their opinions are exactly the same.

Speaker 1 And they're never on.

Speaker 4 They match up perfectly. And in this case, I think Brian Erlacher's opinion matched up with no one's opinion.

Speaker 1 No, no, yeah. I mean, I wonder what Lance Briggs thinks when he sees that.
But he did steal a car. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, he did not steal a car. He crashed his Lambo and then reported it as stolen.
Okay. Big fucking difference.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that was quite a day for Brian Erlacher.

Speaker 1 My other Fire Fest is I have finally got my lottery machine so when the NHL had their ping pong snafu I said I need a lottery machine fifteen hundred dollars later Alibaba via China I have purchased my lottery machine so we're gonna we're gonna plug it in and we're gonna let it go

Speaker 4 just select a good I was gonna say you should put one ping pong ball in there that's like the next but have it weighted and so it never gets sucked up so here's so here's what we're gonna do so turn it on Billy here's what we're gonna do we're just gonna do a number number.

Speaker 1 We'll probably do it at the end of the show

Speaker 1 going forward, but we're just gonna pick a random number and AWS can start betting with their friends what number is gonna be picked.

Speaker 1 What? How many balls? Just one. Just one ball.
One. One ball.
So we got it. It's on.
Oh, boy. Listen to this thing.
Listen to this thing.

Speaker 1 There might be too many balls in there.

Speaker 4 It's so exciting, though.

Speaker 1 It's so exciting. Oh, that it almost

Speaker 1 is number

Speaker 1 40. No, no, let it go.
Let it go all the way down. Let it go all the way down.
Look at that.

Speaker 4 Number 40. Number 40.
Mike Allstott.

Speaker 1 Number 40. So if you had number 40, which on a game that we didn't announce until right now, you win.
There you go. But yeah, we'll do it.

Speaker 1 We'll do maybe while Billy does his speech at the end with Take on Me, I'll pick a random number. So start betting with your friends.
I don't know how you would bet it.

Speaker 4 If you're listening to the show together, then start betting now for the first time.

Speaker 1 Also, do one more. Do one more.
Hit do more. Do one.
Hit three, Bill.

Speaker 6 Like keynote numbers. Yeah, do one more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, do three. Do three.
It's fucking exhilarating, dude. This is like the greatest day of my life.

Speaker 1 Smash it, Billy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, hit three hit three smash it hit three hi-ho here we go welcome to the part of my take lottery number lottery number check your tickets check your tickets folks we have three drawings tonight number 96

Speaker 1 i can't read the bottom is that six 96 96 if you have number 96 check yours your card number 96 we have the second number about to be picked the second number lucky lotto 83

Speaker 1 96, 83.

Speaker 1 What will we have last? Will we have the powerball number? Powerball numbers are single-digit. That means you're double winner.
Double winner with the powerball number.

Speaker 1 Will we have a powerball here on Pardon My Takes lottery? The last number, 84.

Speaker 1 84. So 96.

Speaker 1 83 and 84. Wow, that's kind of crazy.

Speaker 4 That's nice. Yeah, so if your birthday is,

Speaker 4 I guess there's no birthday that matches that. So you'll have to keep listening to see if your birthday is drawn on part of of my take.
If we draw your birthday on part of my take, let us know.

Speaker 4 We'll send you something.

Speaker 1 Do one more. Do one more.
Do one more. This is fucking awesome.
You ask a question, PFD. Odds and evens.
Odds, yes. Evens, no.

Speaker 4 Pick a number between 1 and 100.

Speaker 4 Let's see what this lottery machine can do.

Speaker 1 I did it. It did it.
No. It said no.

Speaker 1 No, it said no.

Speaker 1 It said no. The answer is no.
It will not be.

Speaker 1 No, that was the last one. 94.
No.

Speaker 4 What was the last?

Speaker 1 No, it said no.

Speaker 1 You said pick a number between 1 and 100, and the lottery machine was even, so it said no.

Speaker 4 But it also picked a number.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. That was the number to say no.

Speaker 4 It was saying no. It was saying I will not.

Speaker 1 And it hasn't picked another number since.

Speaker 4 I wonder if it'll ever pick a number between 100. Try to pick another number.
Pick a number between 1 and 100, Lottery.

Speaker 1 It's off.

Speaker 4 Wait. It's off.

Speaker 4 We got to come up with a name for you. You literally broke it.
We got to come up with a name for it.

Speaker 1 You literally broke it.

Speaker 4 Wait, actually.

Speaker 1 I apologize, Billy.

Speaker 1 All right, Billy, go ahead. You're Fire Fest.
My Fire Fest of the Week is that my

Speaker 7 I'm out of the feet game.

Speaker 1 I'm out.

Speaker 1 What did you just do? No, because it's cheap.

Speaker 7 No, it got ruined. Is this in no, it got too real for me.

Speaker 1 Is this in solidarity with the NBA? Yes. Okay.
Yes. I am.

Speaker 4 You're going on strike on a foot strike.

Speaker 7 My feet are staying in the shoes because.

Speaker 1 Wait, what happened? Did guys say they were going to jerk off to it?

Speaker 7 No, it got too weird.

Speaker 1 Other feet.

Speaker 7 influencers started reaching out to me wanting you to do collab dude that's we collab

Speaker 1 no no no no, no. Okay, time out.
Time out. Time out.
Little fairy feet princess reaches out to you.

Speaker 1 That's why you made it moment. I don't

Speaker 1 even know for that time to reach out to them. Unfortunately, you

Speaker 1 have now become at the whims of the lottery machine. So we are going to decide if Billy has to do this or not.

Speaker 4 This is why we bought the machine.

Speaker 1 Billy, this is final. This is final.

Speaker 1 Like, no, I'm not joking. Like, if you disobey the lottery machine, you're fired.
Okay. All right.

Speaker 6 Pick a number, and if that number doesn't come out, you have to keep doing it.

Speaker 1 Odds and evens.

Speaker 1 Odds and evens.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 odds will be that you have to keep doing your Billy feet ball. Evens is you can end it forever.
Okay. All right, here we go.

Speaker 4 I like how Billy's thought process was like, I didn't mind doing the feet thing when there were only like 30 guys jacking.

Speaker 1 But now the little, now the chick showed up.

Speaker 4 Now that little Miss Feet princess wants to collapse.

Speaker 1 My god, you're done. All right, so odds, what did we say? Odds that you have to do it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Odds, you have to do it. Evens, you can stop.
Okay. All right, hit it.
One.

Speaker 1 Here we go. Odds, you have to do it.
And you cannot disobey this. This is the lottery machine's decision.
Odds, you have to do it. Odds, you have to do it.
Odds, you have to do it.

Speaker 1 56. God damn it.

Speaker 6 Double or nothing.

Speaker 1 No, that's 95.

Speaker 4 Big cat, that's 95.

Speaker 4 That's 95. Look at it.

Speaker 1 95. Billy's a 95.

Speaker 1 Billy has to keep his own fire. All right, no, you know what? I'm going to respect the lottery machine.
This is why we got it.

Speaker 1 You're done. You're done with Billy Feetball.

Speaker 4 Billy Feetball is retired.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's fair. That's fair.
I will respect the lottery machine.

Speaker 4 You're going to miss it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're going to be able to do it. You're going to miss the attention.
It's so easy just to make 20 bucks before beds. Yep.

Speaker 4 Dude, actually.

Speaker 4 There are other ways. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I give you permission. If there's anyone who's got like a fucking ping-pong ball fetish, you can use this.
Perfect. Yeah, so start doing that on.

Speaker 4 I guarantee you there's definitely like some ASMR ping pong.

Speaker 1 Well, and also the ping-pong shooting the ping-pong eye of the vagina, those videos.

Speaker 1 Not that I've seen them, but I have.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get. Jake, do you have a Fire Fest? Yeah, I actually have two.
Oh, whoa! What was going to happen if I didn't ask?

Speaker 1 You just eat it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You just go home and go tonight, go to bed.

Speaker 9 I'll have them prepared just in case I'm cold on.

Speaker 4 It's better to be over-prepared than underprepared.

Speaker 1 That's a that's the most Jake Marsh thing ever.

Speaker 4 Every time journalist answer right there, so go ahead. Wait, Jake, how many Firefests have you just swallowed? Yeah, you gotta home with.

Speaker 1 Are you gonna have a list of them? Yeah, are you like going to bed with just Firefests in your brain? No, well, here's the thing.

Speaker 9 The last time you guys asked me, I talked about the dry cleaning thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And that was a few weeks old.

Speaker 1 So it was in my back pocket. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 So first, we were in here until like 1:30 in the morning doing sporicals the other day, and

Speaker 9 I couldn't figure out the Kansas City Royals were an MLB team, so that's just my fault for not the pressure got to me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was bad, Jake.

Speaker 4 To be fair, they are somewhat forgettable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I gave you the hint that they had one. It was pressure.
You had one empty spot on AL Central. I said they've won a World Series in the last 10 years, and you still couldn't.

Speaker 1 No, it's my fault. That was bad.

Speaker 9 Second, I had a dream the other day that

Speaker 9 the college basketball season continued, and Vermont beat Hartford 119-82. We clinched our ticket to the dance, then I woke up and I got sad because

Speaker 1 that's badness didn't happen.

Speaker 4 It's not a dream, that's a premonition. There's a a big difference between the two.
So when they play against each other, bet your entire mortgage on Vermont. Right, but I won't be there.

Speaker 1 Are they going to play against each other? Do they schedule each other? I mean, they're for Vermont and Hartford? It's the conference. Oh, the conference final.
It's the conference title game.

Speaker 1 So the first time they play against each other.

Speaker 1 Odds are going to be Vermont. Evens are going to be Hartford.
Go ahead, Billy. Odds are

Speaker 1 Vermont, Evens or Hartford.

Speaker 9 Hartford hasn't beat them in three years.

Speaker 1 Just shut up and trust the lottery machine, will you? Odds are. What did I say?

Speaker 4 Odds are Vermont? Odds are Vermont.

Speaker 1 Odds are Vart.

Speaker 1 Even Hartford.

Speaker 1 All right, we're taking Vermont. All right, Vermont.
TV. Take it.
35. 35.
There you go. Take Vermont.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got you, bro. I can do a million more.
All right.

Speaker 4 Even LeBron, odd MJ. Okay.

Speaker 1 For 23 and 6.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think we can do that. Yeah, I think we have to.
Whoa, Billy, you're going to lose him. All right, hit it, Billy.
Hit it. No, no, no.
If the number 23 comes up, it's MJ.

Speaker 4 Yes, odds are MJ.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, no, just number 23. And then whatever LeBron's number is.

Speaker 4 What is it, six now?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Does LeBron wear 23? Oh, that's a coincidence.
Weird. Odds, MJ?

Speaker 4 Odds are MJ. Even so, LeBron.

Speaker 1 I don't like this.

Speaker 1 No, I don't like this.

Speaker 1 No, it's not. Odds are in the game.
No, it broke. No, it broke.
It broke again. It broke again.

Speaker 1 Let's get to our last.

Speaker 1 No, it broke. Yeah, it broke again.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, because it broke.

Speaker 9 It's just stopped.

Speaker 1 Not for the official style. No, yeah, it totally broke.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is, Shams Trirania.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our friend, recurring guest, NBA insider and writer for the athletic and stadium. It is Shams Tirania.

Speaker 1 Shams, thank you for joining us. We know you're very, very busy.
You have been doing a bunch of different things. You are joining us live from the bubble.

Speaker 1 So we wanted to have you on because we want to better understand what's going on in the NBA, what took place last 24 hours.

Speaker 1 So why don't we just start there from the beginning of how everything unfolded on Wednesday, and then we'll get up to present day and where we're going.

Speaker 10 Yeah, so, you know, throughout the day yesterday on Wednesday, you know, the sense wasn't that

Speaker 10 any players are really going to seriously boycott. I think there was obviously talk about it.
There was

Speaker 10 definitely players that were considering it, but the actualization of

Speaker 10 going through with it was something that no one saw coming.

Speaker 10 Other players across the league, executives across the league, the owners, no one saw this coming. And so,

Speaker 10 as I reported,

Speaker 10 it really sparked pregame. in the Milwaukee Bucks locker room.
George Hill was the first player to say, guys, I'm not comfortable. I don't think we should be out there playing.

Speaker 10 We, we, we, we need to, you know, we need to sit. And Sterling Brown, his teammate, agreed with him.

Speaker 10 Yannis atakumpo was the third player, from what I'm told, that stepped in and said, We're not playing. Uh, if you're not playing, we're all gonna sit.

Speaker 10 And once that happened, you know, the Orlando Magic players were warming up, and so it was a shock to them. They intended to play, they wanted to play.

Speaker 10 But once they saw that Milwaukee sat,

Speaker 10 they ended up going back to the locker room. And that was your first boycott.
And it became a domino effect throughout the league.

Speaker 10 Once you saw one team do it, even though it blindsided everyone, and that was something that was later raised. And there was frustration toward the Bucs for blindsiding

Speaker 10 different players around the league. But these actions don't happen if you involve everyone because there's so many different opinions that go on.
And the Bucs, I mean, obviously, they took a stand.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So when George Hill decided that, you know, he wasn't going to play,

Speaker 4 was his thought that, like, we're done, I don't, because I know he had felt uncomfortable being in the bubble to begin with. Was his thought like, I don't feel comfortable finishing this out.

Speaker 4 Let's go? Or was his thought just like, we need to not play for today?

Speaker 10 From what I'm told, the Bucs only intended to sit that one game. forfeit the game.
They offered the Orlando Magic a forfeit, sit the game, get 3-2

Speaker 10 in the series, and move on the next day. But once the Orlando Magic also went back into the locker room, did not accept the forfeit, and it became a boycott.

Speaker 10 It became both teams or a strike, however you want to phrase it.

Speaker 10 Both teams decided to sit and it became

Speaker 10 a unifying point for everyone around the league. You had Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, they entered their arena fully prepared to play.
Russell Westbrook was going to give his quad a chance to play.

Speaker 10 I was told there was strong optimism he was going to return for that game five. But then him and Chris Paul huddled up and the decision was made.

Speaker 10 If one set of teams decide that they're going to sit, we have to sit as well. We have to stay unified.

Speaker 1 So after that, so we have all three games get canceled yesterday in protest. And then last night, it seemed like

Speaker 1 basically all the players in Orlando got together. Was that, maybe you can walk us through what happened there?

Speaker 1 Some of the players, all the players, whatever you got from your reporting,

Speaker 1 got together and had a heated discussion on what they were going to do going forward. Is that right?

Speaker 10 Yeah, so Chris Paul, I'm told, is the one that

Speaker 10 called this 8 p.m. meeting last night in Orlando, got most all players.
I mean, I haven't heard of a single player that, you know, marquee players, especially, but you had rank and file players.

Speaker 10 uh ended the bench players everyone showed out to this meeting and you know the environment was you know basically it was an open forum for discussion uh One of the first things that came up was, yo, Milwaukee,

Speaker 10 why did you guys, you know, in a way, go rogue and blindside the rest of us? Like, you should have given us a heads up. We could have planned.
We could have prepared. We could have done a joint thing.

Speaker 10 And from what I'm told, Kyle Corver was one of the guys that had to answer first. And he said, listen, guys, I apologize.
We should have been more communicative and we should have told you guys. And

Speaker 10 from there,

Speaker 10 it sparked a lot of

Speaker 10 tense moments. And you had players calling out the bucks.
You had different guys

Speaker 10 coming out and giving their thoughts and their feelings.

Speaker 10 Players, LeBron James and a couple other guys challenging ownership and feeling that the owners across the league aren't doing enough, are not being proactive enough and are just being reactive.

Speaker 10 They want owners to take a stand and take steps and really create change, not just

Speaker 10 talk verbally or throw financial commitments around.

Speaker 4 So when LeBron James, I guess the reporting I've read that he was one of the ones that was not in favor of continuing this postseason as it's going right now.

Speaker 4 When him and I guess the Clippers were the others, when it became apparent that there might be an issue going forward for those two teams, did all the other teams say, well, I guess we might just not play?

Speaker 4 Or was there talk amongst the other teams of like, maybe we will move forward without the LA teams?

Speaker 10 It was like this weird reversal situation where I think the Clippers and Lakers expected that everyone around the league was,

Speaker 10 sorry, I think everyone around the Lakers and the Clippers expected that all the other teams would also sit and would vote to sit and they would all be unified.

Speaker 10 But once the votes came in, the Lakers and Clippers were the only two teams that had voted to boycott the rest of the season.

Speaker 10 And so then the argument came to what are we doing here if we're not unified? And we have two powerhouse teams that are electing not to play or are making their poll or their vote not to play.

Speaker 10 And Eudonis Haslam of the Heat was one of the key figures I'm told that led a moment and a segment of that meeting after the vote. And basically it was like, like, we need to come together.

Speaker 10 What are we doing here? You know, what are we really going to do to create change? And if the Lakers and Clippers aren't playing, why are we all here? How will the season go on?

Speaker 10 And at that point, or shortly thereafter, LeBron James exited the meeting and the Lakers and Clippers weren't far behind.

Speaker 10 The rest of the players stayed in the room for a little bit before departing into the night. I'm told meetings went from four to five in the morning before the 11 a.m.
meeting on Thursday.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 this might be a question you don't even know the answer to, but I think a lot of people are wondering the protest, like from my perspective, I support the protest.

Speaker 1 Obviously, I think that's the most American thing you can do is protest peacefully in any manner and try to get use your leverage to enact change. What exactly are the changes they are looking for?

Speaker 1 Like, what's the actual action, and has that been formulated?

Speaker 1 Because obviously, it was a crazy day, a day that probably will end up being historical because we've never seen anything like this in sports. But what will be the follow-up?

Speaker 1 I think that's a lot of people are saying, What's the follow-up? If they're going to start playing again in a couple of days, what is going to change?

Speaker 10 That's a great question.

Speaker 10 I think, in a perfect world,

Speaker 10 what the players would want is

Speaker 10 what they feel would be justice for the Breonna Taylors and Jacob Blake's of the world.

Speaker 10 That's in a perfect world, but that doesn't happen overnight.

Speaker 10 That's what they were told by the Attorney General of Wisconsin, Josh Call, when they got a hold of him on Wednesday night that there's a process that needs to play out. That's what they were told.

Speaker 10 And so

Speaker 10 I think these players would love to enact just quick changes. But as you guys know, it doesn't necessarily happen like that based on city and state governments and

Speaker 10 the federal government. It just doesn't happen like that.

Speaker 10 So if you can't do it overnight, then you can't, you know, if the players can't fully control the uncontrollables, how else are they going to enact change?

Speaker 10 And I think this is their way of sparking the dialogue, trying to spark them and the owners. This call, you know, in a lot of ways, this call should have happened the first week of the bubble, guys.

Speaker 10 Like they should have gotten on a call with all the owners right as they entered the bubble and hashed things out and gotten everything on the table.

Speaker 10 But it took, you know, all these different events occurring, the Jacob Blake shooting and just the emotions running high.

Speaker 10 And that's what led to this owner's meeting that took place today as well.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think when you see the video of a man getting shot seven times in the back and then the following night, you know, three people getting shot and you can't look away from it.

Speaker 4 The video is right there for everybody to see. That's what makes people, you know, really feel like they need to take action.
And I'm with Big Cat. I agree.

Speaker 4 I think that peaceful protest is the best thing, the best way that you can go about doing these. And I get get the sense that from the owner's side, they in theory agree with their players.

Speaker 4 They want to support their players, at least a lot of them do.

Speaker 4 But it also is going to take a big, you know, deep, deep gulp from all those guys that are in ownership positions to be like, okay, I'm going to have to sacrifice some of my money and some of my equity in

Speaker 4 the teams that I own in order to support my players. Have you gotten the sense that the owners are on board with this 100% or behind the scenes?

Speaker 10 are they frustrated even if a couple are frustrated at the end of the day you know i think adam silver and the majority of owners do want to work hand in hand with the players and you know that's what the players challenged the owners about uh from my understanding on thursday which was we need you guys to be proactive like you guys can't just take a back seat uh at every single stop like you know the owners at different points um have wanted the players to kind of take lead on this right but it should be a joint initiative according to the players.

Speaker 10 And that's what they expressed to the owners, to the league office today,

Speaker 10 that

Speaker 10 the owners created a $300 million fund to help empower Black communities. And that is something that the league has never done.

Speaker 10 I can't remember any pro sports league that has created a fund of that amount of money from the owners of that organization.

Speaker 10 I think the players want change. They want to see action.
And you have all these different owners. Michael Jordan, I'm told, has been very instrumental behind the scenes.

Speaker 10 Steve Ballmer, I'm told, of the Clippers, he was a guy that was very vocal on this owner's call, just trying to find ways to help.

Speaker 10 And I think at the end of the day, the owners understand where the players are coming from for the most part and want to help.

Speaker 1 Where's Adam Silver in all this? Like,

Speaker 1 is he, he obviously was blindsided, but is he just like,

Speaker 1 you know, we got to figure out how to

Speaker 1 get your grievances heard, or is it we got to figure out a way to get everyone playing again?

Speaker 10 I mean, listen, from a business standpoint, you know, I think both sides, players and the league office, everyone understands how important it is to play games. So that's for sure.

Speaker 10 But I think, you know, Adam Silver has always been pretty,

Speaker 10 you know, informative, pretty vocal with the players, pretty accessible to the players. He had a hour plus phone call with the players on

Speaker 10 early in May, and he

Speaker 10 really was very, very inclusive to the players on the process. And you don't hear a commissioner get on a call for over an hour and really break everything down the way Adam Silver did.
So

Speaker 10 I think overall he's trying to be as inclusive

Speaker 10 to the players as possible. But again, these are players who day to day, their feelings, their different moods,

Speaker 10 it's changing every day.

Speaker 4 Are there players under advisement from anybody that's kind of looking forward in the future?

Speaker 4 Because right now, as emotions are high and there are certain goals that they want to accomplish, goals that I think are important and necessary for them to take a look at.

Speaker 4 But there are things, there are impacts that could happen, unforeseen consequences that kind of domino from a decision like stopping these playoffs entirely, whether that be the salary cap in the future or something like that that could economically affect

Speaker 4 maybe not the biggest superstars in the league as much, but some of the other guys who might not be paid as much money moving forward.

Speaker 4 Do they have somebody that is communicating with them, kind of advising them on what those consequences might be and how they're going to play out should they choose to do things like go on strike?

Speaker 10 Yeah, no question. I mean, you've had guys like CJ McCollum.

Speaker 10 He's been very vocal for the last really couple of months, trying to explain to players the financial losses that they could occur if they sit the entire season.

Speaker 10 You're looking at 10% plus pay cut losses. And Michelle Roberts was also on the call on Wednesday night, also on Thursday.
And what she's explaining to the players is

Speaker 10 all of you guys are going to incur a loss for this season, but these are losses we anticipate. If you guys don't play, the losses are going to be far greater.

Speaker 10 And the negotiations for the collective bargaining agreement, which are slowly but surely

Speaker 10 trying to progress here,

Speaker 10 those are going to be a lot more difficult. And either way,

Speaker 10 no one is really fully,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 10 how do I say this?

Speaker 10 I think for the first time, Michelle Roberts vocalized the possibility of a lockout to the players and

Speaker 10 really expressing to them that I can't rule that out if you guys play or don't play, but here are the ramifications for if you don't play. It just becomes, it's just a practical matter.

Speaker 10 It becomes harder to negotiate with CBA.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 All right. So, Shams, you have been, I've seen you everywhere in the last like 24 hours.
You've been crushing it. I know you're on very, very little sleep, and we appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 my last question is um when do you like we're sitting here right now we're taping this Thursday night when do you think that uh games will resume if they will resume I should put it that way and if they do resume do you think that it's going we're going to see the the you know finality of the playoffs is it going to play out uh where is kind of everyone's head at right now with that yeah uh my sense is you know the games will either begin friday or saturday um it's seeming more and more like saturday because you know you want to give maybe these guys one more day of self-care and really practice for some of these teams.

Speaker 10 Some of these teams haven't even gone back into practice like

Speaker 10 Orlando, Milwaukee. They haven't practiced.
They didn't practice today. They had this meeting.
And so

Speaker 10 I think that could become important as well for

Speaker 10 these guys, for these teams.

Speaker 10 I think now that they've gotten past this major hurdle. that the playoffs finish up but uh guys you you guys know how fluid this is so um i don't know if i'm betting anything.

Speaker 4 One last thing for me. Was there any sense from some of the Magic players that they were ready, bags packed, ready to go? They were anticipating losing in five against the Bucs.

Speaker 4 And then they got blindsided by this and they were like, Jesus, we just wanted to leave the bubble.

Speaker 10 PFT, man. I think that's, I don't know if, I don't know how obvious that is or isn't.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 10 I don't know. I mean, listen,

Speaker 10 let's just put it like this. I think that they fully wanted to play that game and get that game out of the way.

Speaker 10 And, you know, not only just them, but there was talk last, like emotions were so high, guys, that there was talk throughout the bubble that, you know, what if I leave? What if I leave?

Speaker 10 What if I, you know,

Speaker 10 what can I do to get out of here? Like.

Speaker 10 So many emotions, so much being said in the spur of the moment that I think, you know, having a night to sleep on it probably did everyone a bit of good.

Speaker 1 Cool. All right.

Speaker 4 Thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 1 We did also see

Speaker 1 there was maybe a Twitter, I think it was a screen grab of LeBron playing Madden last night. Can you say that that was not true?

Speaker 10 I do not have knowledge of that situation, but I can check and get on that.

Speaker 1 No, it's okay. That's okay.
That's Twitter. Twitter gets crazy in these moments.

Speaker 1 And the new Madden came out, so people were trying to claim he was on Madden. I don't think he was.

Speaker 10 I think I reported that he had exited the meeting, walked out, and then not like 15, 20 minutes later, someone sent me a text of that tweet saying,

Speaker 10 LeBron left the meeting to go play Madden.

Speaker 6 I mean,

Speaker 10 to each their own. I mean, in the bubble, that's probably a very fun activity.

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Speaker 4 Now, Danny Trejo.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest he's been in a million movies he has a new documentary out and he also has uh a taco uh uh let's say this a taco he's gonna be a taco titan very soon because you have taco restaurants and you're gonna keep building them it is danny trajo uh great to have you on

Speaker 1 Thank you. You have your Rams hat on, so let's start there.

Speaker 1 You know, we are a sports podcast

Speaker 1 podcast. What do you think about the rams this year

Speaker 5 move over there they got it they go they're gonna do it i they got that new stadium my cousin that that did 38 years in prison and while he was there he learned electrician elect electrical

Speaker 5 and uh right now scott butnick got him out of prison and we're he's working on that so i got to see the inside of that and it is

Speaker 5 you know what it's going to be like the 10th wonder of the world yeah yeah

Speaker 4 So, I mean,

Speaker 1 unbelievable. A little birdie told me that back in the day used to sneak into the Coliseum and to Dodger games.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 how are you going to sneak into this stadium?

Speaker 5 I don't have to.

Speaker 5 I don't have to anymore. But you know what's so funny?

Speaker 5 Because

Speaker 5 they didn't have the kind of security that they got now.

Speaker 5 You could just stand by a bathroom and wait

Speaker 5 till a family walk by and just walk in with that family. And they would kind of like, oh, good, they adopted a little Mexican kid.

Speaker 1 And you just go ahead and walk in with them.

Speaker 5 Now it's like, kind of like, you know,

Speaker 5 you get cavity searched and stuff.

Speaker 4 Yeah, unless you have that one security guard from that meme that just like taps everybody on the side and lets them in.

Speaker 4 But yeah, you're right. Now it's like they've got, they brought electronics into the whole situation.
You have to scan your ticket, all that stuff. So you're excited for the Rams season, obviously.

Speaker 4 You think that Sean McVay is going to get back on the right track?

Speaker 5 you think that last year was just a little hiccup for him hey we got the only coach that looks like he just got out of high school okay i mean

Speaker 5 and if you watch him on the sidelines he's almost it looks like he's playing sand lot football because

Speaker 5 so i uh i love him you know i met him i met uh most of the team they're all just unbelievable man yeah it's gonna i think it's gonna be an interesting year in in la so it never even occurred to you to root for the Chargers.

Speaker 5 Well, you know what? It's like I'm an L.A. fan.
So I like the Lakers and I like the Clippers. I like the Rams.
I like the Chargers.

Speaker 5 I'm an L.A. fan.
And I'm born and raised in Los Angeles. So

Speaker 5 wherever my teams go, that's where I go. It's going to be fun if the Chargers and

Speaker 5 the

Speaker 5 Rams play in the Super Bowl. I'm going to watch one and half, one half, and then I am going to streak naked across the field to the other side.

Speaker 1 I like it.

Speaker 5 Everybody will see all the tattoos I got.

Speaker 4 There you go. What's your favorite tattoo that you have?

Speaker 5 You know what? The one on my chest was done by a guy named Harry Super Jew Ross.

Speaker 5 And he did it. We did it in prison, right? That big Mexican lady, you know, and...

Speaker 5 And, you know, it was funny because you get prison tattoos, but you think you're getting out. Well, I didn't think I was was getting out.
So I put this monster on my chest.

Speaker 5 If I would have thought I was getting out, I'd have put a little, you know, like Tweety bird or something.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 5 Right. You know, so

Speaker 1 it made me famous,

Speaker 5 made Harry famous, too.

Speaker 1 Love it. So you.

Speaker 1 When I introduced you here, I said you've been in a million movies, and I wasn't really joking. There's a stretch there in your career where you were in like 10 movies a year.

Speaker 1 How do you keep that straight? How do you keep it straight?

Speaker 1 straight what you're promoting what you're in lines all that stuff i mean that is that's very very impressive how many movies you've been in most of my lines my the first five years of my career i played inmate number one literally right you know

Speaker 5 i never had a name inmate number one and and and the directors all knew that i had this big tattoo so every time i walked on setting i'll tell you take take your shirt off and uh say something prisony okay so i said

Speaker 5 and then I get paid. So it was like, I was, you know, inmate number one or bad guy or

Speaker 5 Cholo dude.

Speaker 5 But I was, you know, I was making a living. In fact, the first time I ever got interviewed, because I was getting a little famous,

Speaker 5 this girl, fresh out of interview school,

Speaker 5 she said,

Speaker 5 Danny, don't you feel you're being typecast? And I didn't, I didn't know what she was, I said, what do you mean? She said, well, you're being, she looked a little Mexican. She was,

Speaker 5 you're being stereotyped. And I said,

Speaker 5 what? And she says, well, you're always playing the mean Chicano dude with tattoos. And I thought about it a minute.
I lifted it up my shirt.

Speaker 5 I said, hey, lady, I am the mean Chicano dude with tattoos. You know, they got it right.
They don't got.

Speaker 5 Marky Wahlberg playing a Mexican.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 4 I'm looking through your career here, and especially from like 1995 until 2001, you went on a run of action movies that I don't think will ever be replicated.

Speaker 4 I don't think that anybody will be able to put together this resume. You were in Desperado, Heat, from Dusk Till Dawn, Anaconda, Con Air,

Speaker 4 and then Inferno, then Reindeer Games, and then Hard Right turned Spy Kids. So Spy Kids was a little change of pace for you, I would imagine.
Was that like a challenge?

Speaker 5 Spy Kids, let me be in any airport in the world and hear, mommy, look, the man from Spy Kids in 45 different languages.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They watch that all over the world.
Yes. And

Speaker 5 from the time I did from dusk to dawn,

Speaker 5 I've been sleeping with Selma Hayak.

Speaker 1 Oh, there you go. Nice pillow there.

Speaker 1 I like it. So

Speaker 1 when you were in prison, and like we said, there's a new documentary out about Danny Trejo's life. When you were in prison, you were in San Quentin and you were a champion boxer in prison.

Speaker 1 Was there a moment where you're like, I am the baddest dude in the world? Because I would imagine winning a boxing championship in prison just makes you the baddest guy in the world.

Speaker 5 Let me tell you something. It was funny because I was walking around with this friend of mine.
We're walking the yard, right? And we're talking about our goals in life. And my goal was to be,

Speaker 5 well, just lightweight champion, you know? And I said, you know, my goal, yeah, to be lightweight champion, San Quentin. And this guy, stupid little shit, I'd like to stab him.
He said,

Speaker 5 oh, you don't got a very high goal.

Speaker 5 What are you talking about? You know, I mean, that was that was as high as my mind could think. You know,

Speaker 5 you get to a place to where that's your world. I couldn't think of boxing on the streets.
I just thought about

Speaker 5 my whole life ambition was to be lightweight champion of

Speaker 5 San Quentin, and I ended up lightweight and Walterweight champion. There you go.

Speaker 1 So you surpassed that point.

Speaker 5 Hold on. Shout out.
JJ and Jocelyn just got married in Deadwood, South Dakota, the Adams house, and they were all wearing masks.

Speaker 1 Wait, what was that? Where did you get that shout-out from? What did you just read that from?

Speaker 5 JJ, they just sent it to me

Speaker 5 on the phone. They just sent it to me from

Speaker 5 South Dakota.

Speaker 5 JJ, that's Chubby. That's my mechanic's son.
Got it.

Speaker 1 I thought you just randomly do outs all day.

Speaker 1 You just get it. You just get it and you just shout it out.

Speaker 5 Hey, let me tell you something.

Speaker 5 I watched this kid raise up from like a year old and right now he's an unbelievable mechanic. If you are ever in

Speaker 5 Silmar, Los Angeles, California, hey,

Speaker 5 that's your mechanic.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we've been through a couple times driving an old van. I actually wish that we had that name a couple years ago.
Yeah. Like last year in Grit Week would have been nice.

Speaker 5 let me tell you something i have a 65 buick riviera

Speaker 5 i have a

Speaker 4 56 chevy uh bel-air they keep them things running beautifully man all right so let's back up to you know your prison life you end up becoming a champion boxer you get out you become a boxing instructor to somebody on a movie and then was it was it the director that noticed you and was like hey i want to put you in the background

Speaker 5 what happened You know, like I was a drug counselor and I'm making $180 a week

Speaker 5 before taxes. And

Speaker 5 I'm trying to do this extra stuff, you know, and they give you extra 50 bucks cash, all right?

Speaker 5 They pay you. And any cash

Speaker 5 in the 80s was good, you know, so I think I got 80

Speaker 5 bucks cash.

Speaker 5 We go,

Speaker 5 I get a call from one of the guys I was working with,

Speaker 5 working as a drug counselor, you know, one of my kids. And he says, Danny, you know, check out the agency.
The agency that we were working with sent us to this movie called Runaway Train. And

Speaker 5 I go on this movie and

Speaker 5 I run into a friend of mine named Eddie Bunker, but I didn't really recognize him. He looked when

Speaker 5 the producer said, Take off your shirt, not the producer, the first AD, take off your shirt. And he sees the tattoo.
And so I'm standing there without a shirt.

Speaker 5 And now I'm going to be like the Cholo guy again with no shirt.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 5 this guy comes up and says, Hey, you're Danny Trevo. And I go, Yeah.
And I said, You're Eddie Bunker. And he says, Danny, I saw you win the lightweight and the walked away title up in San Quinn.

Speaker 5 I go, Yeah, Bunko. And this guy

Speaker 5 was

Speaker 5 unbelievably famous in prison because he knew how to write writs.

Speaker 1 You know, a writer,

Speaker 5 yeah, will get you out of jail. And he knew it's got has to be grammatically correct and in the language of the court.
And so he would make money.

Speaker 5 He got to come out of millionaire of the joint from writing writs. And he said, what are you doing here? And I said,

Speaker 5 making 50 bucks. What do you think? And he goes, are you still boxing? I said, no, no, I don't want to get hit in the face no more.
And he said,

Speaker 5 we need somebody to train one of the actors how to to box he adapted the screenplay

Speaker 5 you know he's a writer and i said what's it pay and he said 320 a day

Speaker 5 and i said how bad you want this guy beat up homes no i thought no no i thought he come on i wasn't making 320 a week right

Speaker 5 320 a day i said i couldn't understand how bad you want him beat up and how many days you want me to beat him up

Speaker 5 and uh and he goes no no you got to be careful this actor's really high strong daddy he might sock you. I said, Eddie, for $320, give him a stick.
Are you crazy? I've been beat up for free.

Speaker 5 Beat me up for $320.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 5 they already had somebody cast to box Eric in this movie. And I started training him.
And then

Speaker 5 when the two guys, Eric and the... like Eric's as pretty as his sister, okay?

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 the other guy,

Speaker 5 I called him the Antonio Bandera Bandera Spanish. You know, he was a real good-looking kid, slender and

Speaker 5 kind of guy you would want for your cell partner if you were doing a lot of time in prison.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 5 so's Eric, you know.

Speaker 5 And so it looked, it didn't look good. And

Speaker 5 Andre didn't like it. So

Speaker 5 they picked me to fight Eric because it was a contrast.

Speaker 5 Right, right.

Speaker 1 So and then that was your first acting gig. Now, all the acting gigs, and you talked about it, you know, being somewhat typecast.

Speaker 1 Is there ever a time where someone's like, oh, there's Danny Trejo? Like, do something badass. Like, be a badass.
Like, you know how comedians are like, hey, go say something funny.

Speaker 1 Do people expect you to be this mean, badass guy when they meet you in real life?

Speaker 5 No, people are pretty respectful in real life.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 5 I wouldn't run up to a guy with that on his chest and ask him to do something silly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. That's a very good point.
It's a natural determination. Yes.

Speaker 5 But people like,

Speaker 5 I'll mug for a camera anytime.

Speaker 5 I love taking pictures and signing autographs because it's such a beautiful way to make somebody's day.

Speaker 5 People have said, God, you made our vacation. And so, you know, and I'll just like mug for the camera or let them look, act like they're choking me or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 4 So you can like flip that switch because you're a really nice guy and you look really happy like a really positive person.

Speaker 4 Do you have a switch that you can flip to just immediately get back into that?

Speaker 5 Well, a director said that. A director said that I was doing a movie with Mickey Rourke and I killed about nine people in the first 20 minutes of this movie.

Speaker 5 I'm running up the steps and they told me this girl was a was a

Speaker 5 was a stunt girl. So you know slap her or something.
So I'm running up the step. I got a rifle.
Bam. It looked like I hit her with a rifle and she fell down.
And

Speaker 5 so,

Speaker 5 but then the director said, cut. And I went over and I started playing with my kids immediately, you know.
And so, yeah, I can go back to being

Speaker 5 that guy in prison that has a look that says, look, I'll kill you. And then I'm going to go kill the guy that dry cleans your clothes.
So, so

Speaker 5 I can do that, you know, but I got to get out of there really quick because it's a sickening feeling.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Do you have a number of people that you've killed in movies? Is there like a tally?

Speaker 5 I know, but I've died more than anybody in the film industry. I got the record, okay.

Speaker 5 So everybody says, Hey, how come you always die? I said, Because I love going to the bank, that's why.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 do you know how many times you've died?

Speaker 5 Uh, no, but I think wait, wait, I think they said 63 deaths.

Speaker 1 That's a lot. God, that's crazy.
Who's the best actor you've worked with?

Speaker 5 Oh, God, I love Robert De Niro. I, you know what? I swear to God, man, he is,

Speaker 5 he is unbelievable to watch. Because when we first did heat, come on,

Speaker 5 he actually pushed me into another category of actors. You know, because you got Robert De Niro, Valkyrie or Huckleberry, you know, Val Kilmer,

Speaker 5 Al Pacino, John Boyd, the top of the list, you know, and

Speaker 5 I'm working with with them and it was like that pushed my stock up a little you know i mean and and to watch to watch de niro to watch de niro go hey you

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 5 that's the guy yeah he is he is one of america's greatest actors yeah yeah what about what about con air what about nick cage how was he on set

Speaker 5 Nick is cool.

Speaker 5 Con air was a weird movie. They got all the want to be tough guys in Hollywood and put them on the same plane.

Speaker 5 So it was funny because somebody would spit, then

Speaker 5 somebody would spit further.

Speaker 5 It would turn into a beat. Everything turned into a competition.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Alpha energy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 there was, people don't know it, but, God, I always forget his name. Cuzak.
People don't realize it. Quzak is a bad mother.
People don't realize it. His sensei is

Speaker 5 Benny the Jet. Benny the Jet was five-time world kickboxing champion, right? Him and Chuck Norris are like the real.
If you ever want to shut up, if you ever want to shut up, John Claude Van Dam,

Speaker 5 who's the other tall guy?

Speaker 1 Steven Seagal.

Speaker 5 Steven, if you ever want to shut them up, just mention Chuck Norris.

Speaker 1 They love him. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Wait, so do you think that John Cusack could beat up Steven Seagal?

Speaker 1 No. Oh, God.

Speaker 5 You don't realize it.

Speaker 5 chuck benny the jet is is uh is uh uh

Speaker 5 uh john cusack's uh uh sensei and i watched john cusack bend a heavy bag you know the heavy bags that are that are the bags that are all the way down yeah yep you know the tall ones i watched him kick one and bend it i go wow So that means broken ribs, broken legs, broken arms.

Speaker 5 He will break anything he gets and and because he's based being taught by benny and uh

Speaker 5 and it was funny because every time every lunch break benny would come get me and take me away you know what i mean and i go what's up what's up with you benny look

Speaker 5 i grew up with benny's older brother mondo that's who taught benny and uh and He said, come on. I said, what is it, man? Why do we have to sit by ourselves?

Speaker 5 We'd always sit in his dojo on the set of God. He said, because Danny, you grew up with my brother.
I know you don't play well with others and you're not a good sport.

Speaker 5 And these guys all want to find out who got the biggest bit.

Speaker 5 And it was funny because we were all sitting around one day and they were all talking about this and mine's just big.

Speaker 5 And Nicholas Cage out of the clear blue sky said, you know what? Only one of you suckers, I'd be scared to meet in a dark alley's tray hole. And I'm off by myself.

Speaker 5 I look at him like, why me?

Speaker 1 Nicholas Gage definitely has alpha energy. I just looked it up.
You do have the record. You've died 65 times.
That's as of February 2020.

Speaker 1 I'm sure you've probably done like, well, I guess with the pandemic, you probably haven't done that many movies, but I'm sure you got like 10 new movies coming up.

Speaker 5 I died a couple of times in February.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. You just keep dying.
Yeah. 65 times.
That is the record.

Speaker 4 What is the secret to dying?

Speaker 5 Let me tell you something. My death scene in heat was one of the best scenes of that that

Speaker 5 it was unbelievable they marked it as one of the best scenes and i remember asking me and robert de niro were sitting there and he goes danny how how you gonna play this and i said i don't know bob what do you think and he says i think you're i'm almost dead i think you're you're i think you're dead but you just have enough to ask me to beg you to kill me you kill you

Speaker 5 and for a split second when he said what do you think i want to say nah bob i didn't i don't see it that way

Speaker 5 but

Speaker 5 bob didn't like you know what but that's what i was thinking i did it that way and i you know i followed his advice and

Speaker 5 man i swear to god we had we had michael mann crying on that death scene yeah it's a great scene it's a great movie too absolutely do you have dogs lots of them well i got eight dogs yeah do you ever do the thing where you pretend to die in front of your dogs and see if they'll come over and like try to wake you up you know what let me tell you something i got one dog that if you have an empty leg he's gonna try to hump you okay

Speaker 5 i got i got three other dogs that lick the hell out of you you know what i mean so it's like yeah

Speaker 1 you so last year you saved uh a baby from an overturned car and you made some headlines and i love the quote you had you said everything good that has happened to me has happened as a result of helping someone else and that's kind of a cool way to look at you know life because what you're basically, I mean, you could, you could speak to it, but like every circumstance you've been into, and we talked about your start as an actor, is helping someone else out.

Speaker 1 And that then leads to something bigger. So are you just walking around being like, how can I help? How can I get my karma points?

Speaker 5 Absolutely. Every one of my friends has

Speaker 5 thermal underwear and socks. Anybody that I call a friend has thermal underwear and socks in the trunk of their car because they pass them out to the homeless.

Speaker 5 here here here you know we buy we buy 25 hamburgers every other day and just give it to people you know what i mean and uh

Speaker 5 because you know what it's like and i don't i don't i don't we've been passing out food to the hospitals and stuff from my restaurants you know every other week every week on on this pandemic stuff and uh

Speaker 5 it's funny because every every time we pass out pampers to ladies, they'll say,

Speaker 5 do you have pampers? Do you have pampers?

Speaker 5 so i bought 150 boxes of pampers

Speaker 5 i didn't know pampers were that expensive bones

Speaker 5 so it broke us but but we would pass out pampers and mario my assistant he said danny you know what's gonna you know what happens right now if we go to the joint i go what he says we'd get a nickname like hey huggies come here

Speaker 5 brother loves come here i mean literally they'd give you a nickname it would be like you know know, Pampers or Loves.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, that's a great philosophy to have. It's just, it's saying what you put out in this world is going to come right back at you.

Speaker 4 And I think I've heard about that a lot in Hollywood: that if you are a nice person, you're a hard worker, and you're willing to do, you know, what you're asked at the beginning, that snowballs.

Speaker 4 And looking at the list of movies you've been in and shit, how many films overall have you acted in? Do you know?

Speaker 1 I think they got me at 300. Jesus.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Starting from absolutely nothing. Like starting from no acting career whatsoever and building an actual stage.

Speaker 1 You have to be the first time at like 33 or whatever it was. Yeah, you know,

Speaker 1 38, I think. 38.
Jesus.

Speaker 5 Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something.

Speaker 5 On my resume, it says San Quentin drama arts.

Speaker 5 Me and Eddie Bungler made that up because

Speaker 5 standing on the yard, like especially if you know there's going to be a riot, you know it's come. Everybody knows.
And you're standing there.

Speaker 5 You got four inches of steel in your belt and you're trying to act like you're not scared. You're trying to act like if you close with me, I'll kill you.

Speaker 5 And when you hear

Speaker 5 all inmates return to your cell, recall, you know, mandatory recall,

Speaker 5 you feel,

Speaker 5 oh, thank God.

Speaker 5 You know how to act relieved.

Speaker 1 So, Danny, this has been awesome. I have one last question.
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So you have Trejos Tacos and you have Trejos Donuts and Coffee.

Speaker 5 And Trejo's Cantina.

Speaker 1 And Trejos Cantina. Now give me your favorite taco.
Oh, and a book, Trejos Tacos. That's awesome.

Speaker 5 Cookbook of all our recipes.

Speaker 1 Favorite taco and favorite donut. By the way, that's like the best combo.
If you had to own... a type of restaurant and be like, I'm going to own a taco shop and a donut shop.
That's pretty damn good.

Speaker 5 You know what? I told you, everything good that's happened to me has happened as a direct result of helping someone else.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I literally, I got a trail beer, too. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 You're like Mike Ditka. Just put your face on anything.
Did I read that you did? And I don't, I don't drink, but everybody tells me that beer is really good.

Speaker 5 Let me tell you something. My agent, listen to your agents.
Do what your agents say. My agents wanted me to do this movie.
It was called Badass. No money.
They didn't have no money, right?

Speaker 5 It's a no-budget movie. That means they give you a lunch.

Speaker 5 I got a chance to do a movie over here for about 60 grand. And I said, let's do this little

Speaker 5 no, Danny, you know what? Listen,

Speaker 5 this is good. This is really, really good.
Says, no damn money.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 I hate smart women. Anyway, so she says, so we do this movie, badass.

Speaker 5 Damn thing turns into a trilogy, right? And I make

Speaker 5 three times a lot of money. And then, but I met on this movie, I met a producer named Ash Shaw.

Speaker 5 And he saw that I eat good food. I don't eat bad food.
I won't eat processed food. I eat good food.
And

Speaker 5 he asked me, Danny, why don't you start a restaurant? Jokingly, I said, Trails tacos. We did badass, badass,

Speaker 5 badasses, badass two, and then badass on the bayou, danny glover and uh

Speaker 5 and uh when we did badass on the bayou he brought me they brought he brought me a business plan but it was thick and and

Speaker 5 i don't read anything that doesn't have four killings in the first page and so

Speaker 5 it's a good action or nothing so i gave it to that smart lady act you know agent and uh

Speaker 5 and i gave it to my secretary and they both said

Speaker 5 women smart women they both said

Speaker 5 hey this isn't a bad idea danny they're on that they're not asking for a hundred grand up front they're not asking for any kind of just

Speaker 5 okay so let's so i wouldn't be in the i wouldn't be in the restaurant business if it wasn't smart ladies and anyway so i got like uh seven restaurants right now in a donut shop.

Speaker 5 We even got a, we got a restaurant at the airport like the puck guy. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Oh, hell yeah. That's when you know you made it.
When you got the little restaurant and and your tacos are like $25 in a restaurant or in an airport. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fuck you for making me pay so much money for your tacos in the airport. But yeah,

Speaker 1 that's when you've made it.

Speaker 5 So it's like, that's when you made it. And it's like, I go there because I check on them all the time, right? And

Speaker 5 I just go there just like,

Speaker 5 hey, buckle.

Speaker 5 We got one too.

Speaker 4 Are you doing an ice cream place too?

Speaker 5 We have ice cream

Speaker 5 in our restaurants okay nice in the donut nice in the donut shop we have we have donut ice cream and it's delicious oh hell yeah everything that sounds but let me tell you something if you go to the donut shop and you order the the pineapple fritter just eat one if you eat two you you'll need rehab okay

Speaker 1 all right good good heads up good heads up Well, Danny, this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate it.
You're welcome back anytime. You want to talk about the Rams this fall?

Speaker 1 We'll have you on anytime.

Speaker 5 Oh, Rams. You got it anytime, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah. God bless you guys.
All right. Thanks so much, man.

Speaker 5 Thank you, Holmes.

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By the way,

Speaker 1 in my fire freshman, I was talking about how I disagreed with Erlacher and I don't know how people can still think that their favorite players think like them.

Speaker 1 Matt Forte just released a statement like basically calling him out and now I'm like, oh Matt Forte, I knew I always loved him. And then I'm just doing it again.

Speaker 1 And then he's going to be like, yeah, he'll just tweet something like the Cubs fucking suck. I'd be like, this fucking guy.

Speaker 4 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 Five years from now, he's going to be like going on a rant in favor of Wayfair.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, yes. So

Speaker 1 wild day on Twitter. Look how tall everywhere.
Look how tall I am. Yeah, you are pretty tall.
That's actually. I'm really tall.
Very weight. That's like you're not.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows you're not your normal height.

Speaker 4 Billy, come stand next to me.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows you're not your normal height.

Speaker 4 Look at this. I'm almost as tall as Billy now.
What's up, short stack? All right, you can get stacked.

Speaker 6 Yeah, those are lifts.

Speaker 1 You're wearing them. No, they're not lifts.

Speaker 4 These are Nike Zoom 720s.

Speaker 1 They're lifts. Let me see them.
Look at them.

Speaker 4 Let me see that. Those are not lifts.

Speaker 1 Let me see that.

Speaker 4 Let me see what they're. My friend, these are...

Speaker 1 Do we have the box cutter?

Speaker 4 These are standards.

Speaker 1 These are standard airs.

Speaker 4 Listen, every basketball player in the world wears these.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do. We got Billy's list.
Billy, you got a list?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I got a list. Where's your list?

Speaker 1 It's right in front of you. We're down to one sheet.

Speaker 4 It's double size. It's front and back.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Billy's number one topic of the day is Barbie with Hulk muscles.

Speaker 4 There's an attractive Russian woman who can lift more than 200 kilograms. That is the biggest story in the news, according to Billy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I love it.
That's good.

Speaker 4 Then the Bills cut Stephen Hauska.

Speaker 1 Roy Jones might drop out.

Speaker 4 That sucks. So I like this.

Speaker 1 I was really excited for that fight.

Speaker 4 I like this as Billy's number three here.

Speaker 4 He said that Roy Jones is thinking about withdrawing from his highly anticipated bout, but then he said that Billy never said why he was thinking about dropping out. It's right underneath.

Speaker 1 What does it say?

Speaker 4 They change the date of the fight. He doesn't like to change a date?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, he's just like, is this like an

Speaker 1 astrology? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's an astrological thing? A Libra? I almost said astronomy. That would have been wrong.

Speaker 8 I think he has plans for November.

Speaker 1 Talking to him, Mike. All right, let's finish up the show.
Let's finish up the show. Let's get everyone out there.

Speaker 4 I actually like this topic on the back here. NYC the London airbridge reportedly being discussed by US and UK.
I like that. Like, you can drive from the United States to England?

Speaker 7 Over a bridge.

Speaker 1 Like a giant air?

Speaker 4 A giant bridge? Are you talking about an airplane? That's also an airplane.

Speaker 8 I'm not exactly sure, but it just sounded cool, so I put it in a bad one.

Speaker 1 No, that's definitely an airplane. I'm in the middle of the day.
Dude, that's like

Speaker 1 the Concorde. Why did they stop doing the Concorde?

Speaker 4 It just blew up once or twice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's, I mean, you got there so much faster. Yeah.
Airbridge.

Speaker 4 Airbridge.

Speaker 1 If there was an air, you know what could happen?

Speaker 4 John Madden could drive over there to announce all the London Jaguars games because he doesn't fly.

Speaker 1 But there's an airbridge.

Speaker 4 You know what, scientists? Just remake the Titanic. Just build another Titanic.
Put God Himself could not seek this ship on the bottom of it. Run the exact same route and be like, fuck you, God.

Speaker 1 All right, I got it. All right, here we go.
Oh, what were you saying?

Speaker 4 No, I'm just saying, like, build another Titanic.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah, they did.
They are. Are they? Yes.
Good. I think they're building a Titanic, too.

Speaker 4 And build a Jurassic.

Speaker 1 And everyone's just waiting for it to fall. So, an airbridge between London and New York

Speaker 1 to enable travelers to sidestep quarantine is being discussed in top-level UK-US government talks. The Telegraph understands, and then I have to pay for the article.

Speaker 4 Wait, so they're going to build a bridge to help us get past COVID? I would imagine that this bridge

Speaker 1 would probably take longer than a month. I'm going to find a free article.
I had no idea what it was to change. Airbridge.

Speaker 4 Airbridge. Well, Big Cat's looking up.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's just, okay, Dad. Come on, Billy.

Speaker 1 Officials are studying a plan for regional airbridges that would allow visitors from low-risk areas such as New York City to cross the pond to Britain.

Speaker 1 It's essentially just people want to go get their fucking meat pies

Speaker 1 in England.

Speaker 8 Check out the last story. That one's good.

Speaker 4 R. Kelly and solitary confinement following jailhouse beatdown.

Speaker 1 I'm fine with that. That shit rocked.

Speaker 4 He did. Sweet.
That's pretty cool. Yeah, that is actually cool.
I am incarcerated.

Speaker 1 got my face lacerated there we screenshot yeah pretty fly he should get beat up um all right took a beating like it got masturbated let's finish let's finish the show with uh bigger than ben bigger than ben yes episode one

Speaker 1 Big Ben's documentary. Now, before we get to it, Jake, I had tasked you.
I thought it would have been hilarious because we pulled this up and it turns out it is true. He is making a documentary.

Speaker 1 I just love the fact that

Speaker 1 someone in Big Ben's camp was like, hey, man, like,

Speaker 1 last dance, like, Brady's making documentaries. I think LeBron's got something out.
Like, the hot thing to do right now is to make documentaries. And then Big Ben was like, I'm in.

Speaker 1 And he made a fucking 14-minute YouTube video.

Speaker 4 And it was basically just a love letter to his wife. Right.
I can summarize it for you. He was basically saying, like, you know, last year was really tough for me.
I missed being around my teammates.

Speaker 4 But fortunately, I gained the best teammate of all, my wife.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was all coach speech at the beginning.

Speaker 1 All right, but I thought it would have been funnier if when we had pulled it up, it was just like a children's cartoon that just showed things that were literally bigger than Ben Roftlessberger. Yes.

Speaker 1 So I had Jake, I tasked Jake with finding things that are bigger than Ben Roftesberger and telling us how much bigger. So what do you have? We've got three.
I want someone to cartoonize this.

Speaker 1 I think there are people who still do that. Give us the bigger than Ben cartoon.

Speaker 4 It's Taiwanese animators, right?

Speaker 9 three height comparisons and three weight comparisons okay we'll start with the height he's six foot five listed that's the equivalent to 46.75 football fields okay bigger than ben 46.5 times bigger than ben 1.16 jose altuves okay go into ben that go inside of ben and then uh 226.6 benz would reach the peak of the empire state building that's it that's 226

Speaker 1 i think i did the math correctly now that's crazy that would be them standing on each other's other's heads, not shoulders, right? Correct. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 But that's just crazy.

Speaker 1 That's very interesting.

Speaker 9 It was around 1,400 feet.

Speaker 1 226 times bigger than Ben.

Speaker 9 226 times 6?

Speaker 1 That's a good thing. Yeah, 226 times is bigger than Ben.

Speaker 4 You know what? I've always struggled to figure out a way to describe Big Ben's posture, but I think I haven't.

Speaker 4 The way that he walks around with his head perfectly upright, he looks like he's balancing another Ben Rothelsberger on the top of his head.

Speaker 1 Yes, he's like Katie Ladecki doing the fucking swimmer with the milkshake. All right, and then what about weight?

Speaker 9 So obviously they play at Heinz Field. 240 pounds, his listed height, the same as 92 bottles of 20 ounce bottles of Heinz ketchup.

Speaker 1 So he's 92 times bigger than Heinz ketchup.

Speaker 9 His weight. He's the equivalent to 92.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's not bigger than Ben.

Speaker 9 Right. I thought

Speaker 1 I screwed up the whole thing. That's okay.
That's okay.

Speaker 4 It's the same size as Ben. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 These are all same size as Ben.

Speaker 4 Got it. To be as big as Ben, you would need that

Speaker 1 ketchup.

Speaker 9 70.59 air cast FP walking boots.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 And then 480 dishes of dynamite shrimp at PF Changs.

Speaker 1 So you screwed up the whole weight thing.

Speaker 9 I mean, I think I screwed up the entirety of the task.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. Empire State Building's 260 times bigger than Ben.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. You got that.
Oh,

Speaker 1 here comes Billy.

Speaker 1 It's okay to make mistakes, Jake. Sometimes everyone makes.

Speaker 8 No, seriously, like, don't let these guys go.

Speaker 1 That's okay, Jake. That's okay.
Maybe I wasn't clear. I also think that Billy's so mad that we handle Jake messing up so differently than him.
No, well, I'm like, hey, Jake, that's on me, dude.

Speaker 1 And then Billy does one thing wrong. I'm like, Billy, you fucking idiot.

Speaker 4 I just said, like, it's okay.

Speaker 4 This is Billy's way of reminding Jake that he messed up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Listen, hey, Jake, me and you. You're just like me.

Speaker 1 Both of the dogs. Same thing.
Same Z's. All right.
I apologize. No, that's okay.
That's okay. Maybe a tweet to make up for it tomorrow.
Things that are bigger than Ben.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Okay.
I did think it was funny that

Speaker 4 the way that they were describing his injury when he met with the trainer, and the trainer was like, well, Ben, well, he told me that I have one of two options.

Speaker 4 You can either not have surgery and not play football again, or you can have surgery and play football again.

Speaker 4 You just described literally every injury in the history of the surgeon.

Speaker 1 It got so somber, I thought they were going to diagnose Ben with a brain tumor.

Speaker 1 And he had the trainer, it was great, the trainer and the doctor both giving a quote that was essentially like, hey, we need to remind everyone that Ben's the toughest.

Speaker 1 And the quote was like, yeah, he told me I couldn't go back in. He never tells me I can't go back in.
And then it cuts the trainer. He's like, yeah, I never tell him he can't go back in.

Speaker 1 And then the doctor's like, he basically played in Cincinnati where he couldn't lift his arm over his head. It was the portion of the bigger than Ben where it's just like, here's how tough Ben is.

Speaker 1 And just listing everything. But

Speaker 1 it was a love story to his wife, to his own pain pain tolerance, I would say.

Speaker 1 And then also, I didn't understand the beginning when he was talking about all the haters, and it's like, who

Speaker 1 is really hating Big Ben?

Speaker 4 I mean, us, but out of love.

Speaker 1 No, we don't.

Speaker 1 But we don't think he's bad.

Speaker 4 We never say that Big Ben's bad.

Speaker 1 Who says he's bad?

Speaker 4 They were battling back from missing the playoffs by a game.

Speaker 1 Not even

Speaker 1 by half a game. Right.

Speaker 4 They were a tie away from making the playoffs in Big Ben's last,

Speaker 4 excuse me, full season before he got hurt. And so, yeah, it was a season full of doubters and haters.
Well, that was the summer of like AB and Le'Veon, right? Right. Like when they both left.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So maybe those. Maybe we did.
Maybe this was a story with a target audience of four. Me, you, Le'Veon Bell, and A.B.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 And his wife. And his wife.

Speaker 1 His wife. So the ending, oh my god, ready to run through a brick wall.
When his wife was like, I talked to Ben and I said, are you secure with your few, like everything you've done?

Speaker 1 Are you happy with everything you've done in your career? Which was like, insert, oh yeah, Ben won Super Bowls and Ben did this.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 Ben replied to me, Thank you, which is, how cold are you to your wife that you say that, like, when she's like, hey, are you happy with your career? And he says, thank you.

Speaker 1 I've processed what you've told me. I'm not done yet.

Speaker 4 And then Imagine Dragons kicks in. Next week on Bigger Than Ben, he works out for the first time in 12 years.

Speaker 1 He doesn't shake. And he gets surgery.
And we're going to find out this will probably, second episode of Bigger Than Ben will probably be the we've never seen an injury like this episode.

Speaker 4 Oh, for sure. It's like three out of five ligaments are gone.
Holy shit. This is how the ball is.
Most players would have asked me to just either cut it off or kill them on the spot. Yeah.
Not Ben.

Speaker 4 I also think that there's a big part of this where Ben was like, I'm in the best shape that I've been in my entire adult life.

Speaker 1 Wearing an apple watch.

Speaker 4 I lost a lot of weight. Yep.
So can we make a documentary of me in a t-shirt right now? Yeah. So I can memorialize this period of my life before I put on 40 more pounds in October.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. And he will be, like you said earlier, bigger than Ben now.

Speaker 4 Yes. Jake, yeah, we need to find out how much bigger than Ben Ben will be in 18.

Speaker 1 As soon as he gets a little chill in the air for the Stillers. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 4 They should call this Lard Knox.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 4 That would be too mean. Well, no, because he lost a lot of weight.
I'm saying that's good.

Speaker 1 That's too mean. That's too mean.
Lard Knox. That's too mean.
And Rofusberger. All right.
That is our show. Awesome interview with Kevin Love coming on Monday.
Awesome, awesome interview.

Speaker 1 We were just out there. We spent like an hour and a half with him.
Talked everything. Very open

Speaker 1 about everything.

Speaker 1 Also, we might be breaking up with Blake Griffin, but so you have to listen on Monday to find out why.

Speaker 4 It made me miss doing interviews in person so much.

Speaker 1 Should we do one more?

Speaker 4 Yeah, let's do one more.

Speaker 1 All right, hit it, Billy.

Speaker 4 Hank, do you have a question to ask the machine?

Speaker 1 Ask the machine real quick as we go.

Speaker 1 Oh, does PFT love the AWLs? Odd is no. Bullshit.
Even Even as yes.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, this is shit.

Speaker 4 Even as yes, even as I love you.

Speaker 1 Oh, what is it? Oh, there's two.

Speaker 1 34! I love you guys. I love you guys.

Speaker 4 The machine doesn't lie. Confirmed.
Billy, do you have any final thoughts? Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes, I did.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. I actually have something planned this time.
No, no, no. No, no, no.
I actually have something winned. I'm going to start this new thing.

Speaker 1 I'm going to leave you with a fun fact before every

Speaker 4 end of the episode. I'm going to leave you guys with the fun fact.
They used to do this.

Speaker 7 The largest dramedary camel population is actually in Australia, nowhere in the Middle East.

Speaker 1 Of course, a fun fact is about a stupid animal no one gives a fuck about. It's a fucking camel, bro.

Speaker 7 People don't think camels in Australia.

Speaker 1 Wait, Billy. No one cares about animals like you do.

Speaker 4 What does dramedory mean?

Speaker 1 It's one hump.

Speaker 4 Wait, what's the double hump?

Speaker 4 By By Dory?

Speaker 1 No, wait. All right, we're still recording? No.

Speaker 1 Well, yes. Are we? Yeah.
All right, let me do one more.

Speaker 1 One more, Hank. One more.

Speaker 1 Someone pick everyone pick a number. 17.
Hit it. Hit it, Billy.
Hit it. Everyone pick a number.
Quick.

Speaker 1 52. 52.

Speaker 4 45.

Speaker 1 I mean, 32. 73.
32. What? 52.
Was it say someone else? Billy picked two numbers. 32.
73. Why'd you change it? Oh.

Speaker 1 98. Wow.

Speaker 1 98.

Speaker 4 Brian Recho.

Speaker 6 Bill loves 45.

Speaker 1 Now, usually I don't do this, but uh, go ahead on button off with a little reusable remix, remix, remix, remix, remix, remix. The remix new ignition, hot and fresh out the kitchen by my own.

Speaker 1 And then Bobby got every net intuition. And it's been a fucking mom.
I'm like the water drone. You're freaking weak in the game about the hobby for fun.

Speaker 1 I'm not trying to be fooled, but hate to the girl feeling you The way you do the things you do Reminds me of my ladies too That's why I'm off in your drill Tryna get you to a home state though You must be a football coach The way you got me playing the field Baby, give me that dude And let me get that

Speaker 1 Running hot and do my bro I'm hoping

Speaker 1 I can fresh out the kitchen I'm a rollin' that body Got everything

Speaker 1 wrong Like the one drum Just a freaking weekend

Speaker 1 in this fresh naval cable

Speaker 1 the web as if the poppy cable

Speaker 1 to my head, bunnies on my body. I've been drinking fucking girl, we got to go all night.
And I thought the shoe is the

Speaker 1 party, yeah. I got a party, it's the hotel I.

Speaker 1 I'm about 40 dollars, yeah.

Speaker 1 Get to your home, man.

Speaker 1 Can I get up to the room? Can I get up?

Speaker 1 Bunny, I'm just gonna throw. And I'll be home from the toes.

Speaker 1 I can crush out the kitchen by my road. And that body that I'm feeling in the the wisdom.

Speaker 1 I'm like a water drum on the freaking weekend where I'm about to find it on the cooking listener. I can crush out the kitchen on my road and everybody's got every man in the wisdom.

Speaker 1 We're about to have it on

Speaker 1 the open

Speaker 1 side. I said I'm getting home.