Chargers TE Hunter Henry, Documentarian Gotham Chopra And Fyre Fest of Their Week

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On today's Pardon My Take, we got a twofer Friday. We got Hunter Henry from the San Diego Chargers, and then Gotham Chopra, a very interesting interview with him.
He has done documentaries with some of the greatest athletes of all time. Tom Brady, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant.
The cricket guy. Cricket guy, Kelly Slater.
All of them. You name it.
You name it. He has done it.
So very interesting interview talking about what makes these guys great. And it's going to be a great show because it is a Friday.
We also have a little football talk. Football was supposed to be back tonight, but that's okay.
That's okay. We're going to talk a little NBA, a little hockey, Firefest.
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Today is Friday, August 7th, and John Gruden has coronavirus.

Nice.

It was the ultimate psych. All-time football guy move.

John Gruden.

Expect the unexpected, guys.

And he holds a Zoom meeting, and he has, I think it was a special teams coach,

announces at the start, Coach Gruden is in the hospital.

He's dealing with coronavirus and all his players are like oh my god what the fuck and then they're like god just kidding gotcha not but take this seriously yes let's all learn a lesson from this i'm sure that lesson sunk in yeah your first clue that john gruden was not in the hospital for coronavirus is that i don't think john gruden would ever go to a hospital no for anything no if he had coronavirus he would just stand out like in the sun naked and just stare up at it until he felt better or he just died or he would i actually wouldn't be shocked if john gruden like went back in time to like the 1920s and had a doctor on call who came to his house and was like here here you go doc he yeah John Gruden would either do what you just said and be like I'm gonna outfit or he would lay down in his bed and be like this is my final resting place please get my papers in order he laid down at the 50 yard line I think and then have have Mark Davis walk out there with that black leather suitcase that old-timey doctors used to carry with the giant metal reflecting thing the circular thing on his head walk out there take his vitals pronounce him dead bury him at midfield in las vegas i think that would be a fitting a fitting into mr gruden what this does tell me though is that john gruden thinks there is 0.0 percent chance that he actually ever does get coronavirus because if you fake you have coronavirus yeah people are gonna bash you and make fun of you when you actually do get coronavirus but john gr Gruden's like, no, I feel confident that I will never get coronavirus. The football guy who cried wolf is what it would turn into.
Yeah, I think it would actually be very funny, though, if they had done it a little bit different and had Mark Davis host the Zoom meeting. You remember how Al Davis treated Lane Kiffin when he was fired? Have Mark Davis with like an overhead projector giving details about here's how you can protect yourself from the virus moving forward.
But yeah, it was an all-time football guy move for him to be like, let's learn a lesson from me pretending that I'm sick. Expect the unexpected.
I was thinking about that in terms of coaches that catch it. Can coaches opt out of this year too? Ooh.
Because I have a theory. Well.
I have a big-time stay-woke theory. Okay, before you give me your theory, this isn't an opt-out.

It's actually an opt-in.

But the Bulls, the reports out of Chicago, the Bulls are going to keep Jim Boylan because of the financial strain of coronavirus.

So he's kind of benefiting from coronavirus the reverse way.

What, they don't want to pay him severance?

Yeah, they don't want to have to pay him to leave when there might not be fans

next year's game. So really smart thinking, you get ahead of it yeah keep the shitty coach have a team be terrible uh for the short term so you don't lose i don't know like a couple million you could pay jim boylan with like a couple basketballs and a new pair of nikes he'd be like thanks for the honor i appreciate it's good job.
Yeah, here's a hard hat with a Bulls logo on it. So my big time stay woke on this is that Bill Belichick, he might opt out.
If coaches can opt out, I'm not sure what the rules and regulations around that are, but he's got so many players on defense that are out, right? If Bill Belichick opts out, McDaniels probably takes over, right? Or Steve Belichick. But if McDaniels takes over, they go 4-12, all of a sudden no one wants to sign Josh McDaniels to a head coaching contract next year.
He keeps the team together, maybe gets Trevor Lawrence. The only problem, I like the theory, the only problem with the theory is Bill Belichick is definitely in the camp of football coaches that if they stop coaching football, they will immediately die.
The Joppa. Yeah, or he could get into lacrosse heavy this offseason.
He could serve as a consultant. He just wouldn't be able to handle it.
His body wouldn't be able to handle not coaching football. You're probably right about that.
It keeps him alive. But just put that in the back of your head.
Samson's hair. In case that does happen, I think that that's exactly what Belichick is reverse engineering here.
Now, I think that there's a very simple solution for coaches. Just have a holdback guy, follow them around all the time, preventing them from getting within six feet of any other person.
Yep. That's what they should be.
There's a reason why you have Deuce Gruden on your sidelines, and it's to keep John away from other coaches. It's to be just a pit bull following you around.
So, it was supposed to be the Hall of Fame game. I'm not going to bum everyone out.
It was. It was supposed to be the Hall of Fame game tonight.
We going to bum everyone out it was it was supposed to be a hall of fame game tonight we're going to have hard knocks next week we actually have hunter henry on the show who is uh being taped as we speak with hard knocks but it's starting to get some of these football stories gets the juices flowing because we not only had john gruden faking coronavirus but we had our first first Mike Tomlin quote of the year. And he said when talking about what was it? Oh, the players coming into camp in good physical shape.
He said that was the Jell-O we couldn't get back in the box. I think what he was going for is toothpaste back into the tube.
Correct. But Jell-O is definitely more football, because there's nothing hygienic about Jell-O.

Also, Jell-O...

Jell-O is the grittiest dessert known to man,

because you can...

What does a pack of Jell-O cost?

Like 20 cents?

Yes.

I'm pretty sure they just...

It's ramen of dessert.

They just give it to you now.

Doesn't it come in like powder?

Yeah, no, it's the easiest thing ever

to put back in a box.

It's very, very easy.

Yeah, you put the packet literally into the box.

Right.

That's it.

It's pretty simple to do.

Who did the...

Who did the... who did the,

who had the quote

that was like the greased up kid

trying to get the greased up kid?

Fuck.

Epstein.

No.

Probably.

Have you read the papers?

No, I walked into that one.

What was the,

fuck.

I don't know.

That sounds like the Tomlinism.

Now it does.

Tomlin also said,

was I looking,

greased up kid?

Yeah.

Google greased up kid images

into a cage.

Family guy.

Best of greased up deaf guy. No, it was, fuck.
Greased up kid. Yeah, Google greased up kid images into a cage.
Family guy. Best of greased up deaf guy.
No, it was fuck. Greased up.
No, don't actually do images. Bubba's got it.
You got it? It was Rick Riley talking about. Yes.
Yes. Yes.
Yes. I'm going to find that.
Yes. This greased up kid looks like a piano.
He's like, wait, you grease up kids, Rick? I saw another quote from Tomlin that said, we're expecting Roethlisberger to walk out of a phone booth and put his cape on. Oh, okay.
So a little Clark Kent action. That's the one thing that I am a little bit disappointed about in the Hall of Fame game.
Besides just being able to gamble on unpredictable first game football, that's always fun. I was really looking forward to having Big Ben just standing on the sidelines underneath those lights in Canton because that field and those lights, they look like a high school game a little bit.
And having Ben out there in CrossFit shape, I guess he's in right now, he's the lightest that he's ever been. He looks good.
No, the quote was, he's the lightest he's been in 13 or 14 years. They didn't say which 14 years those were.
It first 14 years until ben was in middle school yeah he's never been this like before uh but yeah i was looking forward to just seeing ben on the sidelines with a twinkle in his eye you know that he wasn't going to get into the game he wasn't going to go out there and play he was just he was going to stand on the sidelines with an ice pack on every single joint in his body because he's already hurt probably just waiting you know looking like he'd want to get in like acting like he needed to be held back from getting in yes that would have been that would have been a nice kickoff to football season tonight yes it would have um fuck i want to find this quote someone someone try to find it i just searched greased up rick riley payton grease fuck man it is very funny to see all these different head coaches. Possibly the worst equipped people in the world to handle a global pandemic and how they're choosing to implement these changes on their staff programs.
There's a lot of talk about virtual bubbles. I'm really into virtual bubbles right now.
A virtual bubble is just a bubble without the bubble. And the MLB is trying to get to a virtual virtual bubble they have new rules that basically they should have had to start uh which we said extra endings start with the guy in third now yo we said it we said it i think on monday's show we're like hey why not just make a rule that if you get caught doing these things you can't play anymore yep they actually did that so thanks for listening rob manford we appreciate it.
Yeah, no more milk. No more going out to just random dinners.
Going out for milk definitely sounds like a Lenny Dykstra euphemism for hitting a titty bar. Oh, Lenny's been extra horny online recently.
I mean, that's not really news. The other football news we had, though, was Jim Harbaugh poked the bear.
I fucking love Jim Harbaugh so much because he's just so competitive all the time.

So there was...

Trouble in paradise, Michigan and Ohio State.

Yeah, so they released the...

Conferences are now releasing their schedules.

All-conference, Big Ten released theirs.

Ten-game conference schedule.

Yeah, I know Wisconsin somehow lucked in

in playing Rutgers and not playing Ohio State,

Penn State, tough shit. It's going to be...
They're probably going to get to the playoff just because it's this year, and then everyone's going to be like, asterisk. I'm going to put three asterisks on them.
Yeah, it's going to happen. But anyway, they were on a conference call, and Jim Harbaugh pointed out that he saw a picture of a linebackers coach with Buckeye players, which isn't allowed until Friday.
And Ryan Day said, how about I worry about my team and you worry about yours? Then, later on that night, Ryan Day, addressing his team, said he hopes the Wolverines better hope for a mercy rule this season because his team is going to hang 100 on them. I love this.
This gets the juices flowing. I'm like real hatred in sports is what keeps the world spinning.
You know, it does. It also gives Ohio state fans and Michigan fans something to bitch about besides Corona virus online.
So now they're attacking each other. Nature's healing.
It's one of those situations. I am team Harbaugh through and through.
I think you are too. Yeah.
I find it. Although it's hard to believe that in Ohio state assistant coach would overlook something.
Yeah. I don't.
He probably went up. He elevated to the proper channels.
Proper channels. Yes.
I can't remember. Is that Penn State or Ohio state? Both elevate to the proper channels.
Yeah. I don't think that a head coach at Ohio state would ignore one of his assistant coaches doing something dumb.
They should actually, if a school is smart, they should just have an assistant GA legally change his name to proper channels and just tell him all the times that players get in trouble. It's not a bad idea.
Listen, we have told the proper channels. Or just have Urban Meyer issue an apology.
That would be great. I know he doesn't work there anymore.
Retroactively. But have Urban Meyer just note zap it real quick and be like,

we're committed to changing everything at Ohio State to conform with all the rules and regulations.

He is a professor there, right?

Is he?

Last year he did a professor.

He's on sabbatical.

He probably has tenure already.

He's on sabbatical to USC right now.

God damn it.

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one eye open. I made the mistake

where I watched the first

two periods on my couch, and then I was

like, yeah, you know what? I can watch

this on my iPad in bed

and I'll be fine, and then I just spent the third

period dozing in and out and woke up,

thank God, I think my spidey senses

with like seven minutes left

and was like, okay, here we go. but i just i i feel like you know i feel like an athlete out there i don't want to say i'm an athlete but i feel like i'm doing just as much as athletes it's always nice if your team's not playing in the late slot yeah you can kind of zone in zone out do that exact same thing where you wake up and you miss two goals and you're like oh wow that's cool yeah and then you in for the last, you know, five, ten minutes of the game and then you stay up for overtime because overtime hockey in the playoffs is like a drug.
Thank God. I would not have made overtime.
Even though it was like, you know, it's not much longer. I still wouldn't have made it.
Yeah, but it's great when it's not your team playing. When it is your team in that late time slot, unless you live out on the West Coast, that's tough.
That is, for us as bloggers, that's as close as we get to competing in a marathon. It zaps the energy.
And speaking of zapping energy, one of the annoyances of life that I'm so happy is back. My phone battery is obliterated because all I'm doing is checking scores all day.
Yeah. Which is just like, that's the best thing ever, where I am chasing a charge all day long, and I'm sitting there like i i had the realization today i was like why is my phone always at 25 oh yeah you have not stopped checking all of your bets like compulsively for the last five hours and that's the best feeling in the world has your phone started to do that thing where maybe around five o'clock in the morning if you wake up you check it and it stopped charging overnight it's like, usually you finish charging me between the hours of 6 and 8 a.m.
So I'll catch up there. And then you take it off the charger.
You look at it, maybe put it in a bed or something like that, put it back down. You never get it back into the charger, and you're at like 50% when you wake up.
Chasing a charge all day. It's something you can't recover from.
You just know it, too. Get an iPhone 6.

When you wake up and you're like,

this is going to be me all day.

I'm going to be the dude

looking for a charger all fucking day.

What were you going to say, Hank?

I was going to say,

you talked about it a few weeks ago, I think,

but the iPhone is definitely doing the thing

where they're just draining everyone's batteries

way quicker than usual.

Yes.

It's new iPhone season.

Yep.

For my whoop,

it's been telling me when I wake up,

it's like you are not getting as much sleep

as you normally do.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, because hockey goes until 1.30.

Thank you. Quicker than usual.
Yes. It's new iPhone season.
Yep. For my whoop, it's been telling me when I wake up, it's like you are not getting as much sleep as you normally do.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, because hockey goes until 1.30.
Fucking five hours of sleep last night. Yeah.
Hockey. Worth it.
I should put that in the whoop. I should be like, hockey.
Yeah. Log watching hockey on TV.
Whoop, if you're listening right now, that should be one of the strain categories that you can put in. Hockey.
Is watching playoff hockey. Yes.
Because the heart rate really gets up there um and then shout out to the nba zero i they just don't have coronavirus tests anymore like they don't have any positives which is uh-huh it's that is the best sign that we can do this because they keep every time they tweet that i auto retreat i'm like yep let's go they put their virtual bubble into a bubble that's phase two of bubbles it is And right now, off the top of my head, there are more teams that nobody wants to play in the playoffs in the NBA at this point than there have ever been. It's a fact.
Okay, no one wants to play Toronto in the playoffs. No one wants to play the Heat in the playoffs.
No one wants to play Oklahoma City in the playoffs. No one wants to play the Blazers in the playoffs, not even in the playoffs yet.
Yep, no one wants to play the Rockets in the playoffs. I think people want to play the Clippers and the Bucs right now.
No, I don't want to play them. Well, Hank just said the Bucs are trash.
Yeah, so therefore they are trash. I mean, this game isn't over yet, but they should be winless in the bubble.
Hank, no one wants to play your Celtics. Mike Greenberg's Celtics, he picked them as his sleeper team this year.
Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Mike Greenberg.
And new show called Greeny. Is that the name? Yes.
Greenies with Greeny. They should have gotten somebody else named Greeny, so it could have been Greeny and Greeny.
What kind of show? Chris Long and Mike Greenberg. It's a TV show? No, he's got a radio show now.
ESPN's going heavy in the Greenberg department. Yeah, they're going all in like i'd imagine the suits at espn sat in a board meeting with a big chart and they're like how can we get back to here more greeny well they just slapped a a sticker like a refrigerator sticker on it of mike greenberg's face it's very simple math it's which one of these anchors can carry the most ads during a given show green and it's great so they're riding the greenie train until he dies of exhaustion greenie is like a mount everest sherpa who's just got ads just like going up the mountain yep you know how heavy it is to the top he's got 1

800 flowers and mahinder tractor on his back at the same time never been done before more greenie

um all right let's get to our interviews so we're gonna do hunter henry first and then we have

gotham chopper second gotham chopper if you don't know he is a documentarian is that what you

Thank you. All right, let's get to our interviews.
So we're going to do Hunter Henry first, and then we have Gotham Chopra, second Gotham Chopra.

If you don't know, he is a documentarian.

Is that what you say?

Yeah, a documentarian producer.

He has worked with Tom Brady.

He's worked with Kobe, LeBron, Kelly Slater, all these incredible athletes.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest who is going to be on Hard Knocks. Ooh, we should actually run this next week right after Hard Knocks.
Do you want to run it on Monday or on Wednesday morning? It's Hunter Henry from the, we say San Diego Chargers, LA Chargers. Hunter, let's decide this right now.
Will you do something for us to give us a heads up? Like, hey, I'm on Hard Knocks.

How can we get on Hard Knocks?

Last year we had Luke Wilson wear a PMT shirt on the day he got cut.

You're probably not going to get cut because you signed a franchise tag, right?

So that would be pretty dumb.

Yeah, that would probably be bad.

That would probably be bad.

Not a good sign.

That won't be cut.

But we could definitely rep the brand for sure.

We could send you a shirt.

Okay, all right. So let's start there.
Have you noticed the cameras already? Are they all up in your face? Man, this, yes, you definitely notice them. You definitely notice them, but it's beginning to fade a little bit because, but this training camp is so weird so far.
It's just, it's just different than anything that I've ever experienced just because of COVID and everything that's going on. But when we're there, you definitely notice the cameras a little bit.
They're definitely trying to pick up on the content just because last week we really weren't in the building. We had to pass all these COVID tests last week just to get into the building.
So it's been a little different training camp, definitely to start. So a couple of years ago, I think we had Joe Thomas on the show right before the Browns were in hard knocks and we asked him i think we correctly predicted that bob wiley was going to be the breakout star of hard knocks in your opinion who's one coach or like a a guy on the team that we might not know on a national level that you think is going to be the guy that we're all talking about on wednesday morning oh man um gosh the underrated star we were talking about this the other day who would be an underrated star i'm excited for people to see joey a little bit more you know he doesn't show much uh personality but this dude is just he's he's hilarious like everything he says is hilarious um a low-key star a guy that's pretty funny a coach um has a lot of energy gus bradley our defensive coordinator hopefully dine in on him he has a great personality hilarious um so it'll be interesting to see the storylines especially with the rams coming into it with us so it'll be interesting are you guys are you guys at the same facility are you sharing facilities no no oh you You guys are...
Yeah't do that yeah yeah um that's right you guys are down at um fuck where is it that's where we're in costa mesa is technically uh the city that we're in our facility so um hard knocks all up in your ass i we're so excited hard knocks is going to be the one thing that will once we start watching we'll be like, oh, football is coming back because we don't have the Hall of Fame game. Has it, amidst everything, has it felt like, oh yeah, we have a season coming up in like six weeks.
This is crazy. It hasn't yet, honestly.
It's been so weird. Like I said, training camp is just, obviously last week we weren't in the building, and then this week is more of like just walkthroughs and strength and conditioning so literally we're just lifting and running kind of like we've been doing um and doing walkthroughs uh so it kind of feels like otas in a way um so it kind of feels like we're still far away from the season but i think once we start practicing and getting going it'll definitely ramp up.
Have you been running routes, catching passes yet, or is it just strictly getting in shape before you get on the field? Just getting in shape, man. It's crazy.
It's so weird. Literally just meetings, and we do them on Zoom.
You know, we kind of stay away from each other. And when we can, you know, outside of the field.
of the field um so yeah basically just strengthening conditioning we're throwing the ball around in the walkthrough but we're just walking through so so even like the tight ends meetings that you have those are all over zoom you don't have like a meeting room where it's just you guys so we did zoom most of the time we just had our first one we were in a big old room and there's four of us and we were in like a huge ballroom, and I could barely see the screen because I had to sit way in the back. We were spaced out like crazy, wearing masks.
So it's a different atmosphere for sure. I just realized that's going to be tough for the Bears to have their tight ends distance themselves.
We're cutting a few. But you've got ten still, right? Nine.
Nine tight ends. They're dropping like flies.
Nine tight ends. Nine tight ends, yeah tight ends yeah like 12 a few days ago

what formation that's the uh the 09 formation yeah if we're going by personnel yeah um not the best personnel great personnel how much do you not saying anything about justin herbert because i'm sure he's going to be great but how much do you miss phil rivers oh i miss phil a ton man he's he's a stud um and I mean he was just very underrated to me I mean he is just I think he's a Hall of Fame player um and you know everybody wants to debate that but I think he is I mean he he's a stud and just the things that he does in the background that I got to see just firsthand and how he prepares and how he plays and just the player he is,

the smack talk on the field, just everything he is, man.

He's just a true football player at quarterback, man,

and it was just so fun to be around.

So definitely it's weird him not being in there.

The dynamic of him is awesome.

You say smack talk on the field, but he doesn't swear.

So what is Phil Rivers' smack talk like?

Thank you. not being in there wait so the dynamic of him is is awesome you say smack talk on the field but he doesn't swear so what would he what is phil rivers smack talk like uh yeah he's he's got a good uh swear replacements great swear replacements man horse mess is the go-to horse mess is crazy i love that's like when i like showed up when he said horse mess like he yelled at me one time and said, that's horse mess.
I was like, wow. I don't know.
Let's say it back to that. You know, golly day.
God, what's the other ones he says? We've heard gracious to Pete and gracious to Petrus. Gracious to Pete.
Gracious to Pete is an all-timer, for sure. All-timer.
He's always saying that. He just has a knack man on the field honestly he's just a he's a clean smack talker but he he he loves to smack talk get in their head a little bit yeah now we joke we're obviously huge huge football fans and we joke that um it always like sunday doesn't feel like sunday until the chargers are down to score late in the fourth quarter.
It's like 645 last game on the red zone channel. And Phil is like trying to bring you back.
Do you feel that? Have you had those moments where you're like, wait, we're here again? Like deja vu yet again. Yeah.
Yeah. That's funny.
You say that we talk about it nonstop. Yeah, it's brutal.
We put ourselves or in every single game always.

We somehow find a way to blow it and we make up ways to blow it.

You know, last year we, you know, we miss a field goal or we throw an interception at the end of the game or we're always going to be there at the end.

Like we're going to have a two minute drive to either go kick a field goal to tie it to go to overtime or touchdown and win it um yeah we're always there and um I mean that's the biggest thing I think we're trying to focus on this year is just trying to finish games I mean uh you know and winning those close ones I mean that's really what the good teams in the NFL do they win the close games um that That's a four-to-five game swing on your win-loss record right there. Well, what year was it? I'm going to give you a compliment.
What year was it, 2018? I declared the Chargers the best team to not make the playoffs. That's true, yeah.
2017 maybe. It's pretty much every year you guys are the best team to not make the playoffs.
That goes back. We started 0-4 that year.
Yes. And like nine out of the last 11 i kept on saying like don't let the chargers get in the playoffs and everyone laughed at me we were hot that year and we were like i remember we won the last game we beat the raiders and we were like the bills that was the year the bills got in um yeah to play the jags i'm pretty sure and we blew the bills out and so we were watching the Bills and we saw that the Bills got in and we were just like oh my gosh this sucks because we beat the Bills and they get in that goes back a long time in Chargers history like I think there was one team I want to say 2010 2011 where the Chargers had the best offense in the NFL by far the, by far.
And then there were weird things like special teams turnovers that, for some reason, took you guys from being one of the best teams of the last couple decades. I don't think you made the playoffs that year anyway.
So yeah, it's the small stuff, I guess. So how does Anthony Lynn start this training camp being like, hey, this year is the year that we're not going to fuck up the details? Yeah, I think the biggest thing they're preaching right now, obviously, I mean, I think the team that handles COVID the best right now is going to be, you know, one of the best teams at the end of the day.
So we're trying to attack that in a way and approach the protocols right and do everything right. But I think just paying attention to details, man.
And that's the biggest thing, you know, throughout the whole practice. And then, you know, knowing situational football.
So that's one thing we preach around there because we were trying to get better at situational football because, you know, for a while we just weren't playing good at the end of games. And also playing good throughout the game because sometimes this plays early on in the game take you out of the situation of having to be in a two-minute drill and to go win the game.

So there's a lot that goes into it.

I think turnovers are huge.

I think we're going to try to really focus on that.

We had too many turnovers last year.

And also, I know defensively, we really didn't take the ball away as much.

So those are two big things that help your football team every week.

So when you sign the franchise tag, from our perspective, whenever we see franchise tag, we're like, dude, that's sweet. Like, that's a shitload of money.
But from your perspective, are you like, I just really want a long-term contract? Like, what's the thought process that happens when you sign on the dotted line for a lot of money, but it's just for one year? Yeah, I mean, I was happy, you know. I mean, I was excited for it.
I mean, I get it for guys, and I get it. I mean, I definitely wanted something long-term for security and all that stuff.
But at the same time, I'm excited. I mean, I've been banged up in my career, so I kind of know that I got to go out and kind of just prove it, and I kind of have that kind of chip on my shoulder.
So I'm excited to attack this year under the franchise tag. I mean, it is a lot of money, so I'm excited about it in any aspect.
And it's just another year to go play ball, man. So I'm excited.
I want to go back to when you were a senior in college, the combine, right afterwards. You declined to do a lot of the workouts, but one of the two workouts that you elected to do was the bench press where you

put up 13 reps.

We can take your man card on that if we want to

play the Joe Buck drop right there.

We'll take your man card. Why did you decide

like, yeah, you know what, I'll bench, and then

you put up 13. Why was that one of the ones you

thought you would decide? I actually put up

18. They knocked

off a 5

for my hips.

Hips came off the bench a little too much, they said.

18, but

Thank you. 18, they knocked off five for my hips.
Hips came off the bench a little too much, they said. So 18, but knocked five.
So I looked kind of like a scrub. So that sucked.
Definitely, that one hurt. But I thought I was going to do better than that.
And honestly, combine week sucked. I hated the combine so much.
I'm just not built for the combine at all. Like, I'm just not that kind of player.
I'm more of just like a football player. I'm not going to blow you away in the combine drills or anything like that.
But I'm good at football. I like that.
Yeah, that's a very good answer. Also, my hips came up every time I tried to, so I got zero.
Yes. Which is bullshit.
Yeah, so, like, if your hips come up at all on the bench, you know, they're like, Hey, put your hips down. And then at the end, like I was, they just need to stop me at some point.
It was just, but okay. And he was like 18 minus five, 13.
And I'm just like, wow, that sucks. We can spin that though.
You can be like, I have the most explosive hips at the combine. Hey, hips were great.
Yeah. It's for sure.
hip down i'm not gonna lie but uh yeah i'm trying to work on that um so when you you went to arkansas from arkansas did you get recruited by bobby petrino i did yeah i did okay so getting recruited by bobby petrino and then playing for brett bielema that's two different worlds although kind of the same world in a weird way, maybe off-field in the same world. I don't think that would fit on a motorcycle.
Yeah, but when you go to Arkansas and now you're going to play – because those Arkansas teams, the first few years Brett Bielema – and I'm a Wisconsin guy, so I was pissed when he left. But the first few years at Arkansas, you guys had a good team, and he playing brett bielham a football i remember that you guys played alabama that year the closest they had a game like i think it was like 17 16 in the rain um was it weird though going to arkansas being like oh i thought it was going to be a little more wide open and now we're just fucking cement mixing everyone and just running the ball down their throat yeah so it was actually for myself i got recruited um petrino left my he got into trouble my scene or my junior year yeah junior year and then they did the whole uh john l smith thing uh brought in an interim for four months or whatever it was like the season and then they hired coach b so honestly i uh i honestly didn't really want to play for petrino um i wasn't a big fan of him honestly and so i actually was honestly really close um at that time um it was i was really interested in bama and georgia uh were two two two teams coming after me so i was like really close with those guys and i was really close and And then when Coach B got hired, I got to know Coach B, the tight end coach there was Coach Lonnie.
And just it clicked, man. And Coach B had produced so many tight ends in the NFL.
I was like, oh, this is a no-brainer. You know, I mean, he's worked with dudes that put, you know, the end goal of being in the NFL.
So, you know, the offense was pro style. We had, and we brought in a lot of studs early on really, really did.
I mean, I look back at our huddle and offense and pretty much all 11 guys in our huddle, my sophomore, junior year played in the NFL. So, I mean, we had talent.
It was kind of like the Chargers. So we lost a lot of close games at the end of the end of games.
We really did to good teams. I mean, the SEC West is brutal in itself.
So, you know, but we definitely played our style ball, Coach B's ball. Did you ever go out to dinner with Coach Bielema? I never did.
Never did. Really? Still haven't yet.
Yeah, I need to do that. Yeah.
He feels like a guy that – We went to the campus show when I was getting recruited, but that's about it okay with uh i was a recruit then you know so he's he's trying to put on his best best you know yeah right you're not you're not partying you're not uh he's probably letting everyone get seconds no blackjack before he gets seconds kind of thing yeah so he's a recurring guest of the show yes yeah when uh when he would come into like the team dinners he feels like a guy that would double dip that would take his dinner beforehand and then walk around the buffet line and be like, what is that? Tri-tip? Maybe just a little here, there, like a little snack and cheese. Yeah.
Just maybe do the standing where you just eat while you're standing and then go back. I could see it for sure.
Yeah. Coach B is great, man.
I love Coach B. Um, you know, he's, he's the man.
He really is. I mean, I have nothing bad to say about him.
I know, honestly, some Arkansas people, maybe Wisconsin people, have stuff to say about him. But I loved Coach B, and I would love to voice that to everybody.
No, I actually – honestly, I understood what he was doing because he had to be in Barry Alvarez's shadow. I was just more disappointed because I thought if he stayed at Wisconsin, he would have – like, he would have been able to be there for 30 years and run the same system for 30 years and been good for 30 years.
Yeah, I mean, we were paying good. We were paying him pretty good, too.
So, that, along with I think the challenge of the SEC and attacking that, I mean, that was, I think, definitely for him. I think that was, you know, he wanted to take that step up.

So, you also at Arkansas, part of one of the craziest plays of all time.

If you haven't seen it, I'm sure everyone has seen it,

but if you don't remember it, it was overtime against Ole Miss, fourth and 25, and Hunter Henry threw the ball backwards,

like basically wasn't looking, and they converted the fourth and 25

for a touchdown and won the game. How often do you go back and watch that play? Man, I've seen it so many times in the last – I don't really watch it that much, but definitely when people bring it up and we talk through it, I've done some detailed walkthroughs on it.
Yeah, I've watched it. I mean, I've seen it a ton, obviously.

It's kind of famous in Arkansas

and obviously in college football.

I mean, it had big implications on college football

even in that year.

So it was, I mean, it's just a crazy play.

And I honestly never thought I'd be remembered

for throwing the ball.

I thought I'd make like a sweet catch

in the end zone or something,

but never really thought I'd be, one, throwing the ball, like lateraling it and be remembered for that. It's an awesome play.
Jerry Jones, was he like paying you then and then he had to stop writing the checks once you signed with another NFL team? Or how did that work? Did he just switch the payroll over to the Chargers? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He switched it over.
He know, he's a big donator over there in Arkansas for sure. We like to rep Jerry Jones.
So, you know, he's giving a lot to Arkansas. But, yeah, he switched it over to the Chargers, so the Chargers are handling it.
Smart. Hands clean on that end.
Have you ever met Boltman? I haven't. Who's Boltman? Oh, well, you might not know Boltman, but he was – Well, you were on the San Diego team for one year.
I was for one year. I got drafted.
He was the unofficial mascot. He was the big super fan that had the giant lightning bolt.
He was very civically engaged. He went to a number of town council meetings to try to keep you guys around.
Then he sold his outfit for like $60,000. Yeah.
Fuck. Hey, what a legend.
What a legend. You just met him, but yeah, in your mind.
Yeah. I remember him.
I remember him for sure. He's a legend.
Who was your favorite teammate on that San Diego team? And why was it Danny Woodhead? Danny Woodhead for sure. I just remember showing up, you know, you're a rookie.
So you're showing up like just everything's big-eyed anyway. Like you're like, oh, my gosh, we're in the NFL.
This is crazy. And just meeting Danny and just him just like running jokes and just him and Matt Slauson just getting after it in the locker room.
You know, just lots of good times in the locker room, man, eating with those guys. And then another – I think another teammate that took me under his wing like that was Gates.
Honestly, all-time teammate. Great dude.
Treated me like a little brother. I feel like Gates is still on the team.
He's going to play this year, right? Yeah, right. Like week nine, week ten.
Yeah, he'll probably come back. He'll probably come back.
He's sitting out. He's going to hold out camp, and then he'll probably come back once games start.
Is it going to be awkward catching a pass from somebody not named Phillip Rivers? Kind of on a serious note, is there a big difference? Could you pick out a Phillip Rivers spiral without seeing who threw it compared to any backup that you've caught passes from or going back to your days at Arkansas? Yeah, I probably could pick it out. Honestly, I've seen it so many times.
And then, obviously, his throwing motion is so unique. But, yeah, it's going to be different, definitely.
But our offense, honestly, is going to be completely different this year. So, you know, that's no shade to fill at all, but it's just what it is.
And we definitely have a different kind of offense this year. A lot more movement, a lot more different things that are going to entail.
All right, so I'm going to ask this question in a way that's not going to get you in trouble. Could take a second.
Yeah, I'm trying to think. You want to workshop it? You want to ask it to me? I want to be like, hey, dude, how much does it really suck to have no fans at the game and like when the steelers come out like it's all terrible towels like how much is that are you excited to see fewer pittsburgh steelers fans this year yeah we're honestly even playing field for everybody this year so uh it helps us helps us out a lot helps us out a lot um so we have a lot of experience with it.
We definitely have a lot of experience with what's going on this year. But we were opening a new stadium, and so we were very eager for the fans this year.
I think that was the biggest thing. We really do.
We do have great fans. Right.
But when Steelers come in, they kind of overshadow. Or the Chiefs or the Packers or the Bears or the – yeah, just like – Every team.
Every team. Yeah, no, but I want the Chargers back in San Diego, but that's just me.
So, speaking of San Diego Chargers and the L.A. Chargers, you picked out uh what your favorite new uniform is of the whole you guys had the chargers absolutely nailed it like no other team we roast uniforms all the time they came out with all those uniforms and they all are fucking gorgeous but is there one that you're like i cannot wait to wear this one obviously i love the powder blues the powder blues are all time um i don't know i have something with the they put kind of like a new navy blue um and the navy blue and then the bolt on the helmet is navy blue and we're wearing all navy um that honestly i think that's my favorite one and i've always kind of been a big like navy guy i love our all navies i think they're sweet obviously the powder blues are kind of honestly the best but the navy blues are they're sweet so can you feel it in the locker room when you guys are wearing your like best uniforms can you feel does it feel different like oh fuck we look awesome today oh yeah for sure definitely uh you kind of look good feel good you know like so uh anytime you walk out like that and you're feeling good, you know you look good, you feel a little extra kind of swag about you.
See, I'm so happy you answered it that way because as fans, we just assume that players are wired the same way our stupid lizard brains are, where we're like, oh, my God, if we could wear those uniforms, we'd be so fast. So it's good to know that, like, that actually is going through your heads.
When you wear the nice uniforms, you're like, we look sick. Oh, yeah.
I mean, you're always trying to look good, man. I mean, if anybody tells you you're not, they're not, then they're lying to you in a way for sure.
I mean, you know, you're trying to look good, look at yourself in the mirror and everything. But once you get in the game, you're not really thinking about it, obviously, but before the game, you're like, dang,

we look sweet.

See, I'd be like, as soon as I

fell down or made a tackle or something,

I was like, shit, I got grass stains on my uniform.

Yeah, I'd take

a hamstring injury during warm-ups and be like,

you know what, I'm going to chill on the sideline,

maybe stand behind a coach, try to get on TV

a little bit looking good, but as for that

tackling shit, no, I'm good. Yeah, no grass stains.
Just keep it clean. The photos are going to look good because you got those sick warm-up photos.
So, yeah, you know, it'll be good content for you. Yeah.
We usually ask this question to a linebacker or a defensive end, but I'm going to kind of flip it on you real quick, especially with Joey Bosa's new contract. He just got paid.
Would you want to ever get any reps at defensive end? Yeah, I would love to. That'd be fun.
I would love to. I would love to kind of get that feel.
I think I would need some work, but I think I could transition to it. Aren't safety like Rob Gronkowski, like a Hail Mary or like that didn't work out.
I think you're a better tackler than Rob at this point in your career, though.

Yes.

Yeah, that one didn't work out for him.

But, yeah, DN, that would be sick.

I mean, I could learn from Joey.

I mean, I think I'd be all right.

Do you have to block him in practice?

Oh, yeah, every day, every day.

How much does that suck?

It definitely makes you better.

Definitely makes you better. We've gone against each other now for whatever it is, four years.
And so you kind of – I mean, we get used to it and everything, but it makes you better. Dude's a beast.
I mean, he's just so – just technically sound. That's the thing too.
Like, obviously he's a freak. But his hands and just everything he does, like, he's just so detailed.
And so he's a tough guy to block. Definitely makes you a better player.
He's got bad hips, though. I just looked at his combine stats, and he had zero deductions in bench press.
Oh, wow. So you're a little bit more explosive.
Yeah, the explosion. Yeah, I guess I got him on the explosion by five.
You know, my hips were good. Has he changed since signing his new contract? Is he, like, walking around like Mr.
Big Shot? Absolutely not. I saw him the next morning, and it was just the same dude.
He's just like, duh. Like, he's just dry, man.
He's a dry dude, dry humor. Dude, he's a great teammate.
I love the same year, uh, same draft class. So, um, it's, it was crazy.
I mean, we actually played, I've known him since high school too. I mean, we were the same age and everything.
So it's, he's honestly been the same dude ever since I've been out. That'd be sick though.
If he showed up the first day after that contract, he's driving like a sling shot. Yeah.
He's got, yeah. The three wheel car, just flipping everybody off.
Just looking sick. Willie Beeman at defensive end.
Not that guy at all. He's the most low-profile guy ever.
I had one last question. So, taking you back to December 2018, you are injured.
You're probably laying in bed just waking up on the West Coast time. What happens to your phone steven a smith uh says he's excited to watch hunter henry tonight even though you had been out for a very long time oh what a legend for that man what a legend thanks thanks steven a big shout out to you man um yeah it was uh pretty crazy i was actually went with the team to that game because we were playing the chiefs, and it was like a big Thursday night game.
So I was like, I'm going to go watch it. This would be a fun game to go to.
I'm going to go to it. And I was honestly starting to kind of come back from my ACL that year.
So I was like, and that's when I kind of came back at the end of the year. So I was like, I'm going to go to this game.
And then I woke up in the hotel that morning, and I'm getting blown up by everybody, like everybody, my Twitter, everything to text. I come down to the meal room and everybody's like, dang, bro, you ready for tonight? Like, I didn't really look at everything.
And then they're like, yeah, Stephen A's just been blowing you up. So I'm like, wow, this is great.
I mean, it was just crazy. The whole process of it.
I was like, what is going on, dude? But a big shout-out to Stephen A for keeping me relevant. For knowing your name.
Yeah, he said he had a brain lock, which happens to the best of us. He just ran out of talent when he was doing that segment.
Actually, it's a good thing, though, because if you wake up and your phone's getting blown up and you're like, holy shit, why am I trending on Twitter?

That's probably the best reason that you could be trending is because Stephen A. Smith screwed something up

and not because of something you did.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, it's the best way to be trending on Twitter for sure.

Absolutely.

What is your record going to be this year?

16-0 is the goal, right?

Win every game.

But we're going to take it week by week.

And, I mean, the Bengals are our first game. So, got it for that one.
And, you know, you just got to take it week by week. Start 1-0.
So, 16-0 is what I heard. What I also heard was a guaranteed first week victory against the Bengals.
Mm-hmm. 1-0.
1-0. Hey, man, you got to go on with confidence.
I mean, if you don't go into the game thinking you're going to win, then I think every team goes in thinking they're going to win. And you got to know you're going to win going into every single week.
Or at least have a shot to win down seven with two minutes left. That's not our plan this year.
It's a new year. We're moving on from that.
I actually – I'm okay. Yeah, I'm okay with you guys moving on because I would rather it just go with Phil to Indianapolis.
It feels more natural. It does.
It's not a Chargers thing. Yeah.
Right. It's more Phil Rivers thing.
Oh, no. Don't put that on Phil.
No, we love him. No, we love him.
But he, you know, it's not even the fact that you guys are down. It's more just like he gets so demonstrative and he's like kicking in and doing audibles and just chucking it.
And it's just – it's the best. Yeah, Phil Rivers with his back against the wall is a delight to watch.
Yeah, it's – yeah, we've done it a lot. We've done it a lot definitely in these past years.
We're going to definitely try to move on from it. That's our plan going into 2020 season for sure.
Love it. love it.
Well, Hunter, thank you so much.

We appreciate it, man.

Good luck with Hard Knocks.

We'll be watching.

We'll send you something. Yeah, we're going to send you a shirt.
We'll send you a shirt and a hat so you can wear it in Hard Knocks. And then we'll be like, oh, shit.
I'll rep it. I'll rep it for you guys.
Love it, man. Appreciate it.
Thanks for having me on, guys. Thank you so much, man.
Good to talk to you. Bye, fellas.
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It's seven iconic athletes pulling back the curtain on what makes them great. You've been around these guys, LeBron James, Tom Brady, Alex Morgan, Usain Bolt, Sean White, Katie Ledecky, and Kelly Slater.
So that's the seven. You've also done Tom vs.
Time. You've worked with Kobe.
You've done it all, man. You've done it all.
You've been around some of the greatest athletes of all time. I guess let's start there.
Who is the greatest? Can you give us a goat of all the goats? Man, that's tough. I'm going to go with something not controversial.
I'll say out of this series, like being around Kelly Slater, and maybe because it's a sport I don't really know very well. You know, I've surfed maybe twice in my life, but there's something, you know, Kelly's kind of like Tom.
He's in his 40s. He's been there, done it all.
He's also lived this crazy life. So there was something kind of pretty, I don't know, just enchanting around him.
And Usain Bolt, he's another one. I mean, to me, like fastest man on the planet and heavyweight champion in the world, those are two like untouchable things, right? Yeah.
I love Tom, but we can sit around and debate, you know, is Tom the greatest of all time LeBron versus Jordan. But when you're like the fastest man on the planet, that's kind of untouchable.
Right. And the nice thing about sprinting is you can measure it and compare him to people that came, you know, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years before.
I've actually always wondered when it comes to an event like the 100 meter dash, how much faster do you think the human body can even go? Like, obviously, we can't run a 100 meter dash in five seconds. That's just beyond the scope of imagination.
But at some point, we're going to top out, right? You think? Yeah, I mean, yes. But you know, the four minute mile for the longest time, like, you know, was was the thing.
And and we just we make quantum leaps every once in a while. I mean, like the Jordan LeBron, you know, debate is fascinating.
But it's like, you know, what Jordan what LeBron is now like just physically and just everything about him, you just didn't see that. That is unique to this era.
It's like we've made an evolutionary leap or even if you think 10 years from now, Giannis. He's just blazing a trail.
It's a great thing about sports. I misspoke a second ago because Britney Spe Spears ran the 100 meter dash in what, four seconds in her gym.
I think she put that online not too long ago. But being around all these people, all these people who are obviously like elite at their professions, who work harder than everybody else.
Is there a moment where you're sitting down kind of going behind the scenes and watching their process where you're like, this person is actually insane to be doing it this way?

Yeah, I think it's even like, I'll go back to like Tom versus time, you know, when I worked on that. So when we started that, I think, you know, it was several weeks.
It was only a few weeks after the 28 to three comeback, that Super Bowl against the Falcons. And it was probably what that happened in February.
We were maybe at the end of March. I was out with him on a practice field filming.
And he was like working on his throwing motion. He had his throwing coach, Tom House with him.
And Tom was really like, there was something about his hip, whatever, that he was like, I'm not, it's not working right or whatever. Tweaking it.
And I said to him, I said, dude, you like three weeks ago, we won the Super Bowl in the greatest come. And he was like, that was like three weeks ago like for him it was just like you know that was yesterday I what do I care like that's over and he's thinking about the next one and so that sort of maniacal and that's consistent I mean that's LeBron that's like all of these people it's just like there's this like there's God-given talents there and gifts, but there's just like this, yeah, maniacal devotion and this edge.
And it's always like a little bit of me versus everyone. Like in this greatness code thing, you'll see consistently, like even with the Tom Brady's and LeBron James, it's like, no, like nobody believes in me.
It's me against the world. And so there's also something just like kind of sick in the mind with these athletes.
So how they get themselves. Yeah.
So I had two questions about Tom versus Tom. The first one's a little silly, but you put in all this hard work.
And then the most memorable moment is Tom kissing his son on the lips. Were you like, what the hell? Like, did you guys not watch the rest of it? It was really cool.
It was Tom Brady like he's never been seen before. I mean, you know, it's like everything that Tom did, especially off the field, like his smoothie became a thing, right? Like, yeah, the kiss, you know, with Jack was a thing, but like the smoothie was a thing.
And it's just because I think no one had ever been inside. No one's, you know, he, now he's on social media and everything.
But at the time, like he didn't have an Instagram account. Like he was barely, so just everything took on this larger than life.
So, I mean, I felt bad because, especially with Jack. I mean, Jack was like probably at the time like nine years old.
But I wasn't particularly surprised or bothered by it. It's just so funny when you have such hard work and you put together something so big.

And then the one take or not the one takeaway, but the one that the Internet runs with.

That's just the Internet. You can never control it.

So my other question about Tom versus time, and it was a debate that came up with The Last Dance and a lot of documentaries coming out.

Where's the line when you are doing a documentary with the control of the person you are, you know, filming and their story and how much you let in, how much you can take out, like the creative control. Is that all decided beforehand? And where do you kind of fall on the debate that's been going on in media? Yeah.
Look, I think this is somewhat, I don't want to say generational, because I'm not, you know, like some young whippersnapper or something. But there's like, there's this sort of Ken Burns style documentary, completely objective.
And yeah, you really, there's no version of the subject having any control. But I would say, you know, working with Kobe in particular, and that was like the first high profile one, like there was no version of that.
And the best version of that was going to be something that the subject was really invested in. And I mean, emotionally, like belt quote ownership over it.
And so I sort of come from the perspective of like, well, I don't quote, see, you know, full creative control or final cut or anything like that. I do come from the school of no this is a partnership this is not on you Kobe Bryant or Tom Brady this is with you and so like every story every question you're asking me is a choice like you you make choices and that's kind of what guides the story and you leave stuff out and so you know that's just part of the process I mean it doesn't mean and I can tell you again especially with Kobe who's combative like that was his nature.
And so, you know, that's just part of the process. I mean, it doesn't mean, and I can tell you again, especially with Kobe who's combative, like he was, that was his nature.
I mean, there were endless creative, you know, debates. And, and I would say like, I won my fair share.
He won his fair, but that's part of the process. Well, from, from my personal perspective, I don't really have a problem with it, especially if it's,.
It's full disclosure like, hey, this person had part of the – you're not trying to dupe us or be like, we got inside Tom Brady and we're putting out stuff he didn't agree to. I actually appreciate it on the level that all these athletes spend their entire career being covered and having the media and their fans project their own thoughts on them of who they are and this is maybe a chance for them to show their own side instead of having someone else tell them how they've thought about things or rumors or whatever it may be so they almost get the power back which is kind of a cool dynamic that we've never seen in sports until today yeah and look this is a trend a lot of athletes now have their own production companies or or their entire platforms uninterrupted players to be in others that are really built on that premise of like them directly to the audience i think you know people like myself still have a role in terms of helping to guide a story like we're we're making a story and you have things, tension, conflict, setups and payoffs and stuff like that.
So I think that's cool. But I agree.
Look, we're not trying to be manipulative ever. And there's definitely a line.
Like you can feel it sometimes like when you are being lied to and therefore are you lying to the audience? And those are the areas that you really kind of have to be careful about. But I think in general, like you want to be the subject to feel a sense of like, no, this is my story.
I want to share this. Otherwise, you're going to end up like like everything else.
Right. So, yeah, it's interesting that you mentioned working with Kobe, because I feel like Kobe gets so in depth on everything that he does.
He's got like he had this passion behind him where he would focus uh you know solely on the task at hand he would he would be able to kind of go into whatever field interested him and uh take that on with a guy like LeBron when you're working with him how much you know when you're talking about the creative ideas that you're coming up with together is he getting down to the level of I want uh here's here would be a great place for a montage. We should do a voiceover here.
Can we get Morgan Freeman to do that part? Like how granular does it get with these athletes? No. So, I mean, what you just described is Kobe Bryant, was Kobe on the project.
So like, you know, every little detail, like in the minutiae, obsessive. And, you know, the truth is like these guys are the same off the court that they are on the court so that actually is not that surprising right like Kobe always wants the hand in his the ball in his hands etc so LeBron's kind of the opposite right like he's a he's thinking he's a facilitator he's about like how do I get you know my guys in the right you know position to do what they do best and and he does that kind of off the court as well.
He's got a core group of guys, Maverick Carter, Rich Paul, that he's grown up with that he trusts. So actually working with LeBron is largely working with those guys, because they kind of know what he likes and doesn't like.
I mean, he's, he's there, like the few times that I interacted with him, he's very supportive. Let me know I can be help.
If you ask him for his opinion on something, he'll give it to you. But he's not the guy, at least in my experience, like in the edit room, rolling his sleeves.
Whereas Kobe, I mean, I was with him two, three in the morning, the guy was like, no, no one's leaving. No one's leaving until we get this right.
And, you know, it was we called it affectionately Kobe jail. um but you know that was that was the process with him so religion of sports and you're around all these athletes and it's a religion for them do they ever fully understand how it's a religion for fans like what what do you what have you sensed from being around these these uh you know, men and women? Do they fully understand the impact they have on their fans and how much of our happiness, which is sad to say, but it's true, is dependent on them? Yeah, I think the guys and women later in their careers.
Right. Like they they do like they've been around long enough.
I mean, so, you know, when I started religion of sports and my two partners are Tom Brady and Michael Strahan, they both intuit, it wasn't the business plan that got them. It was, Oh no, I know what it means to be at the epicenter of this thing.
I understand, you know, not only is this my life's purpose, like for Tom to play this game, but I know, like, I can feel it when I'm out there, just like what, you know, how much is invested in me. And so I get this idea that, you know, sports, it's not like, like a religion, it is a religion.
And it sort of invokes the same type of feeling. So yeah, I think a lot of them do towards the end, you know, and it's partly, it's also it's also I mean Tom's had this forever goodbye tour who knows how long it'll go on for but it's it's that connection to the sport it doesn't last forever have you thought about flipping the uh you know like the camera I mean it wouldn't be flipping the camera on yourself but flipping the camera and like following uh a Cleveland Browns fan who face paints and drinks you know uh rum out of a bowling ball and throws a keg in the mooney lot and then goes and screams his face off all day and then gets up at like seven in the morning for his uh construction job on monday morning after the browns lose again that's the religion of sports we need that documentary too those are the true we believers.
Yes. Yeah, no, I absolutely, you know, how you market that, I'm not quite sure.
But like, you know, like in terms of those people, those stories, as you guys know, I mean, they're out there. I mean, there's tens of thousands, not millions of them.
I mean, today, like opening day of baseball in the middle of this weird pandemic and this time, like just what, again, it's, I'm going know you guys are might be yankees fans i'm a red sox fan but i can't wait till seven o'clock when i can watch yankees nationals because of what it means you know and it's it's bigger than sports yeah you mentioned michael strahan and tom brady i'm interested to know what that relationship is like if you've ever been in a room with those two if uh i'm sure that they're friendly with each other. Michael Strahan, it's hard not to like the guy.
But does he ever just bring up the Super Bowl? And he's like, hey, look at this ring, Tom. Look at this one.
So they are like active members of the company, both on the board. Every single board meeting starts with Michael talking about that game.
And Tom kind of like, you know. And for Tom, look, I mean, nine Super Bowls, you know, six of them wins, but it's the losses and it's that loss, the 18-1 loss that hurts the most.
That's the most memorable. And so, yeah, and Michael does not miss a beat to sort of, you know, remind him that, you know, he was at the epicenter of that one.
And the weird thing about it is in a way,'m sure that that loss actually motivates tom brady to be the quarterback that he is today because he suffered that defeat on that 18 and 1 season that actually makes him greater down there it actually makes him stronger oh for sure i mean so greatness code i always think there's like an analog to to greatness code which is about failure because the truth is it's the failures that are the most memorable for athletes. Like it's the one they'll always talk about.
And even if you go, like if you watch this series, like LeBron, the game he talks about is in 2012 game six of the Eastern conference finals. But really what it's about is game five, which he lost at home.
He talks about Paul Pierce hitting a shot in his face and everything. And he's like, because of that game and all every because this was before all the championships so it's that game everyone came out oh LeBron you know loser he can't win the big one he's all he's a choke and he's like that it was the failure that sort of catapulted the success and so that's another consistent thing you see with the greatest yeah um so being around Tom Brady as much as you have been, I think most people are fascinated by the TB12 method, his relationship with Alex Guerrero.
My whole take, and it's totally uninformed, but Tom Brady is exceptional because Tom Brady is exceptional and his work ethic is exceptional and he's also kind of a freak athlete in certain respects. And with or without Alex Guerrero, he does that.
It's almost just like a, not a placebo effect, but it's like an extra thing to believe what, what was, what's their relationship like? And do you really think that it's Alex Guerrero is like a major part in Tom Brady playing for as long as he's played? Cause I feel like Brady would have found a way no matter what yeah I mean like it's a good question I'd say I've been around Tom a lot for the last three or four years um and Alex is a huge part of his daily life like Tom does not miss even during the offseason you know all the body work he does like just the pliability and you know all the weight he doesn't use weights everything's about you know, all the body work he does, like just the pliability and, you know, all the weight, he doesn't use weights, everything's about, you know, again, like, stretching his muscles and stuff like that, lengthening and loosening. So I actually think, especially as his career has gone on and on, and like the years have added up, I do think it's a big part.
Look, there's a, there's a whole bunch of stuff they do like the body work and tom's endless hydration his sleep you know uh regulation i mean there's a lot of stuff and so i don't know where the line is like oh man this stuff is functionally really important versus this is part of like time tom's like like i said maniacal psychology i'm not sure where that line is, but I say I don't know like especially you know Tom did have a catastrophic injury early in his career and this was like that was the turning point for him and if he hadn't done this I mean the statistics show that well guys don't keep playing this no matter how talented they are I mean Tom's not most talented guy, and he'll be the first to say it.

So there have been many more talented guys

who have not played as long as he has.

How much water does he drink in a day?

I mean, you can, like, look on the –

I think I saw a clip today of him showing up at the Tampa Bay facility,

and he carries this jug, and it's, like, super ionized.

And, again, like, this is where – I mean, to your point,

like, does that

is that water have some secret in it that you know is prolonging spirit I don't know but Tom carries that thing around and I think he fills it multiple times a day and so um he's just like he's he's a mad scientist like when you you know he's always tinkering with something there's never a moment that he's not like thinking about football. So I was reading your Wikipedia page here and one thing jumped off the page to me and I wanted to ask you about it.
It says that you were a lyrical advisor to Michael Jackson at one point. What Michael Jackson songs did you write? And so, you know, I mean, this can go into some crazy places.
But like, yeah, I've known my, I knew Michael, you know, starting when I was pretty young. And then when I was in college in New York, I went to Columbia and Michael used to live in the top of the four seasons there in New York city.
And so I used to hang out with him and help him like with some of the, so mainly the album history. So songs like stranger in in Moscow, History, Scream, Will You Be There, some of that stuff.
But that was like pre-internet. I was bringing rhyming dictionaries and thesauruses down and just helping him find the right words.
I mean, he did all the music, so I'm not going to take any credit for that. Did you get any royalties off that? Yeah.
So you guys can appreciate, you know, I was in college at the time and I would go down and hang out with him and help at like two, three in the morning. And then Tom, I mean, Tom, Michael would be like, Hey man, so how much do I owe you? And I'd be like, I don't know.
And he used to keep pillowacks full of money like in his in his hotel suite or whatever and he would just like give me cash and at the time I thought like man like five thousand six thousand seven thousand I was like okay it's cool and then I would call my friends and we would go out to some of the you know things that college students do sure five thousand dollars in their pocket and have some fun. And at the time I thought like, this is great, man.
This is, I never thought about residuals or anything like that. That's almost better though than residuals.
Like if you gave me the choice, you can either get $5,000 cash when you're 21 years old in college, or you can get like $5,000 a year from when you're 25 until 35. I would take the $5,000 lump sum in college and just go have a hell of a night.
Yeah. Well, and I have great stories to tell.
So, you know, yeah. Um, so you've been around all these people, even counting Michael Jackson, but all these athletes out of all of them, who commands a room the most, who's that guy or girl who you walk in the room and it's just or they walk in the room it all eyes on them and they just have control of the room no matter what setting it is it could be a boardroom it could be a bar whatever it is they just are that person I think and you know part of this answer might be because of because of what's happened, but Kobe was a rock star.
I'd never really been around anyone like that. And Kobe, he was at the transition.
There was a pre-social media Kobe era. And so right now, because everyone's all over social media you feel like

even if you don't know them you know them because you've been around them through there but kobe had that i remember like when we were working on the project like we got to a point where like it was good but it wasn't great and kobe was like hey man we we're not done we have a long way to go and i was like kobe we don't have any more money from the network showtime at the time and Kobe's like set up a meeting

we'll get the money and I remember

like walking into that building, and he was, like, wearing sunglasses and everything. And he – it was like, oh, yeah, we should ask for more money because this guy just had a sort of charisma.
And, yeah, we walked out, like, you know, with as much money as we needed to finish that project. So Kobe had that.

I mean, look, I have a like a deep friendship with Tom.

So it's it's you know, I know him better.

Better. Yeah.

Yeah. But so Tom has, you know, charisma, too.

I think people are very curious about him and everything.

But yeah, Kobe had the sort of rock star like he used to fly.

I mean, sadly, again, ironically, but in a helicopter, like it it was like hanging out with Batman, you know? It was just, like, so special. Have you talked to Tom at all about it? It seems like he's coming out of his shell more.
Is that a conscious decision that he's like, this is going to be different? Maybe it's the Tampa move. Maybe it's the end of his career.
But just he's definitely showing more Tom Brady than he used to. Yeah, I think it's like it's been the culmination of actually a couple years.
Actually, and Tom versus time was a big part of like the catalyst for that. But I think it's just it's over time.
And I could, you know, I'm a Patriots fan. I grew up.
So, like, I feel like I should have seen this coming and I probably didn't see it coming but then I just denied it because as a Patriots fan I probably didn't want it to happen but now looking back I'm like oh yeah like he had to leave like he just couldn't do it anymore in that environment and and he still wanted to play and I think he's really excited about the challenge in front I mean I've been down there you know in Tampa with him for a a few days and it's like he's he's got a different type of energy right now yeah i've seen in the last few years interesting as a filmmaker do you have a limit in your head as to how often you can use gimme shelter over a montage i mean it's you know it's all about having good editors and so no i mean there's you know's, you know, that's the great thing about sports. It's like so cinematic, you know, and so and every sport is different.
Yeah. I had one last question.
So kind of the reverse of my last question. Who's the one athlete, big star that you've been around? And you can't say Tom Brady because you just said that you know him so well.
That is just a regular guy or girl like they're you're shocked by oh my god they've done all this stuff and they just seem completely you know because we've been around athletes famous people it's no it's no diss on them that life changes when you have that type of stature but then we'll meet a couple people who'll be like wait they're just a regular dude like they're just completely normal uh you wouldn't even know that they were an NBA player or an NFL player just by the way they talk and hang out yeah good question I mean I have been around lots I feel like I do have to say somebody I know pretty well you know how we interacted so last. So last year I worked with Steph Curry for like almost a year.
And Steph, I mean, rock star quality in some ways, but also just like a really sweet, humble guy, you know, always around family. He has three young kids.
So that's a lot of hard work. He takes it really seriously.
There's not like tons of help. He's, you know, doing everything my father has to do.
So, and like, I went to the all-star game with him last year, like when we were working together. And Steph was like, you know, he loves, what's it called? The place down in North Carolina, there's like a chicken, like a fast food.
Cookout? Bojangles? Bojangles. Bojangles.
So so steph was obsessed with bojang and he grew up down there so it's like every moment he could he was like dude let's go to bojangles you know and and so just like a really sort of grounded guy in that way um so he was probably yeah the most um relatable and is there somebody that you want to work with really badly in in sports otherwise that maybe you're circling, maybe you've, you know, you've thought about, but haven't quite gotten around to making that introduction yet? I mean, you know, like I kind of started with Kelly Slater, like there's sports, actually, I would say that I'm, I'm almost like, I don't know as much. I grew up a huge, you know, basketball, football, baseball guy.
So, you know, I look at Lewis Hamilton, like hamilton like formula one or you know there's a lot of international soccer players that i find fascinating because kind of not them necessarily but what they represent so muhammad salah who plays for liverpool like you know uh ronaldo who in my opinion is like probably the most famous person on the planet which is its its own weird, you know, fame is an interesting thing.

So I kind of look at those just like those are interesting,

you know, even bigger than the person.

Those are things that are interesting.

Well, this has been awesome, man.

We really appreciate it.

Very interesting stuff.

I also really appreciate you.

I don't know if you realize what I did there,

but I asked you for the biggest alpha and then the most regular Joe. AndBron wasn't your answer for either of them.
Interesting. I don't know LeBron as well.
We're LeBron. Well, some of us are LeBron haters sometimes.
Did LeBron try to trade you away from his filmmaking team while he was working with you? You said he was the same off the court as on the court. Yeah, he didn't.
Okay, so here's my thing about LeBron. LeBron is, I mean, we could sit around and debate and do the basketball court thing on the court, but off the court, what that guy stands for, what he's done in all of that stuff, I'm a big admirer.
That's the thing that kills me because I hate LeBron, but I know he's such a good guy, which drives me insane. That drives me insane because I want him to be like – I want someone to be like, yeah, he was a real asshole.
It's like no one's ever said that. I mean, think about like – I mean, we won't veer into politics, but the next four months of what we're going to go – who's the one athlete who's going to stand up and speak?

Yeah.

Stand for something?

Yeah.

Before we let you go,

we're trying to expand into the Indian market by talking about cricket

every now and again.

And you did,

you work closely.

I'm going to butcher his name.

Is it Tendulkar?

Sachin Tendulkar.

Yeah,

pretty good.

We call him the master blaster too.

That might be easier.

Oh,

the master blaster.

That's sick.

Like a Stevie Wonder song.

Would you,

can you give us like a Stevie Wonder song.

Can you give us a real quick headline that maybe we can use to market to an Indian audience about their favorite cricket player?

I mean, in a country of over a billion people, of every faith on the planet, there's one God, and it's the Master Blaster.

You know, Sachin, he's everything. He's LeBron,.
You know, Sachin is, he's everything.

He's LeBron plus Tom plus Usain Bolt times a million,

you know,

in terms of what he means to that country and what he's meant to that

sport.

Okay.

He might be my answer now.

And somebody asked me just,

who's the,

who's the greatest athlete on planet earth right now?

The master blaster.

The master blaster.

I like that.

Cool.

Thanks guys.

It's super fun.

Yeah.

Thank you,

man.

A lot of fun. And if you're ever in New York, come by and let's do it in person.
Yeah. For sure.
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Okay, let's finish up the show. We've got FireFest coming up.
We've got Billy's. So, Billy's not here.
Hopefully, we have double the downloads because then we'll kick Billy off forever. That's our promise to you.
You know what it's like when Roger Goodell introduces

a shitty rule that nobody likes and

then he saves the game by removing

that shitty rule. Yes.
Actually, Billy, if you

are listening, we do love you. We love you.
Well, he's

not listening and it's so perfectly

Billy to like his stock was going back

up and he's like got to take a quick vacation

guys. Yep.
So I'm going to be

out of here. What? I support his taking

vacation. Okay.
guys yep so i'm gonna be out of here what my support is taking vacation okay um last week on part of my take billy football introduced the conundrum of the chinese seeds that were being mailed to america what do they do are they used for surveillance are they used as invasive species are they used to just screw with american? On today's part of my take, we get to the bottom of it. The mystery behind the Chinese seeds will be unveiled next week when Billy Football returns from his vacation, because he knows the mystery, and we don't.
That has been Serial on part of my take. We'll find out on Sunday, and he's going to have no.
He's not going to. He's just like, what? I thought you guys already talked about it.
I bet Billy planted the seeds and then just doused them with steroids. Yes.
Yes. I'm going to grow super, super pump.
Yeah. Make these seeds extra HGH.
All right. So his sheet, though, he did give us a sheet.
Jake Paul got raided. He's on steroids.
By who? The FBI. I thought you were talking about Twitch.
No. What happened? No.
He had a shitload of guns. He had guns? Yeah.
What is that? He had guns. Someone did a helicopter or something over his house, and he just had guns chilling out in the backyard.
Not even like... They were just obviously guns.
Free range guns in his backyard. I think you get to a point of wealth that you just run out of things that you can buy.
So you're like, now I'm just going to buy a shitload of guns. Yeah.
They're easily storable. You can hang them on the wall.
They're almost artwork. And then when you buy a bunch of guns, you're like, well, someone might steal my guns.
Need more guns. It's a good vlog, too.
When we're at Dan Bilzerian's house, half of his house is just guns. Because he got to protect his gun yeah he has the smaller guns up front and as you go through the house yeah i think you're actually right because the more rooms you go through the bigger they get right until he's just got like an atom bomb in his basement so it's a self-fulfilling prophecy you just need to keep buying guns until you have so many guns that your guns can never be touched also i think when you're as universally hated as jake pa Paul, you probably have a lot of people that want to kill you.
Do we hate Jake Paul or is it Logan? I think we like Logan, right? Logang? I'm the anti-Paul brothers. Both of them? Yeah.
Why? They're just the worst. Suicide force thing? Yeah.
Yeah, that was bad. Logan was a suicide force guy.
Oh, I thought that was Jake. Jake is the gun guy.
I thought Jake was in the suicide force. Got it.
Nope. Okay, yeah, so we disavow the Paul brothers.
Yes, yes. Disavow all Paul brothers.
And then also, I saw Ozzie Guillen went after Nick Swisher. I fucking love Ozzie Guillen.
He needs to... I wish he was managing somewhere, but that guy, he will always speak his mind.
He's fucking hilarious. I wish that he had a podcast with Jay Mariotti, actually.
Forget Woody Page. Woody's fine on his own doing his own show.
Yes. Just having those two go back and forth and be elected.
He should actually do a podcast with radio legend from Chicago, Mike North, who they had many run-ins, and that would be, they would just oil and water. That's about it.
He called Jay the hard F word. Yes.
Hard F. Yes.

Let's see.

Clemson was named number one.

Yeah, friend.

Or my buddy.

Good friend. So this actually is bad for Clemson because like 90% of Dabo's motivational skills come

from saying nobody respects him.

Yes.

They're not unanimous.

No.

So not getting enough respect for Clemson, we ticked that off the box.

Yep.

Wild beavers in England win right to remain at their homes. And that's when you know we've run out of things.
And River Otter. Billy just gets his animal planet portion.
I agree that there should not be beavers in Otter River. Yeah.
Mind your business, beavers. Yeah, exactly.
That's not your river. Stick to your own.
All right, so let's finish up with Fyre Fest. Let's finish up with Fyre Fest.
We have a great weekend

coming up. There's PGA Championship.
All the

sports are back. I'm so excited.

Brooks. We didn't even mention Brooks.

Brooks is tied for second.

Dude, if... I'm not

going to say it. I don't want to jinx anything.
If Brooks

wins the PGA Championship, it would be sweet

because I put in a bet. By the way...

He's a legend for life, too.

So Bubba is actually a sneaky gambling

guru. I don't know if he knows anything about the sports

that we've been winning on, but I've been asking him for his advice and picks, and as a unit, me and Bubba are six for seven in our last seven. This is also...
And we're heavily leveraged on Brooks to win the PGA. This is beginner's luck.
Ride them. Ride them.
Oh, I am time, one of the first times you ever bet horses at Joe's on Weed when we sat down and we hit like a trifecta instantly? That was my first race, I think. Yeah, and I was like, yeah, let's bet this.
And then we hit it for like $200. Is it always this easy? Nope.
I don't think I've won a horse race since then. So, yes.
Ride them. Bubba, give me, give me your picks too.
Thank you, Bubba. All right.
Let's do FireFest. Hank? I have a bunch.
I have a bunch of FireFest. Oh, good.
All right. Well, let me take off my shoes.
Okay. My first one, speaking of vacations, I don't really take any, so I'm inexperiencing kind of the whole how to figure things out.
This right now is your vacation. You realize that? Your job is to be on vacation, and right now your work is to be on a beach somewhere, and your actual vacation.
You realize that? Like your job is to be on vacation. And right now, your work is to be like on a beach somewhere.
And your actual vacation is behind that microphone. I like that.
All right. So I was trying to go back to work.
My family had a trip planned. For some reason, I was always in the impression it was the first week of August.
It's on Block Island. I was like, oh, I booked a- In Block Island.
Yeah, in Block Island. Booked a rent-a-car, got a ferry ticket, and then there was a big storm coming, and I was texting my parents.
I was like, oh, I'm going to come actually Thursday morning, not Wednesday night. And they were like, well, we're not going to be there until next week.
So I just had the completely wrong week, but I put all the things forth scheduled. I got the time off from work, luckily.
That got approved by you guys um and i was just completely off on the week yeah so i how much how much money did you lose on that a few hundred dollars oh man that's tough uh heartbreaking yeah if you work an extra week though then you'll get all that money back true true i'm sorry hank i appreciate that thank you it means a lot coming from you guys i know how much you you know me to take. So next week, though, you're taking a vacation? Yeah.
Oh, okay. So it's not.
You missed the most important part. He's trying to work as much as he can.
Right. His family just wouldn't let him.
Right. Exactly.
My second one is I watched Dr. Disrespect.
We've talked about him on the show. He finally came back, went on a live stream.
I watched it for an hour and a half, and it was just a holding screen, and he never actually went live, and he's doing it tomorrow. So that was just a waste of, like, two hours.
I thought he did another stream. I thought he did two streams today.
He put out a song. Dr.
Disrespect is just addicted to making songs. He put out, like, a song that didn't— A diss track? No.
Basically, he just likes to show off his voice, I think. Okay.
Yeah, he likes to show off his voice and his graphics are cool.

Yes.

That's pretty much it.

Right.

So then he went live, quote unquote, but it was just a cool graphic that played for an

hour and a half, and I was just sitting there with my putt in my hand like, what the fuck?

That's kind of cool.

That's like the Red Zone channel.

If you go to it right now, you get a little taste of that.

Yeah, pretty much.

I have breaking news.

So I think we're going to play this live.

I haven't listened to it.

It's Brooks after the round.

I think he's doing some trolling.

At the end of the day, I just feel good.

I'm playing good.

And there's no reason to be scientific with all the numbers and stuff like that on track.

I'm just going to go play.

Wish you the best. Congratulations on the day.
Oh, my God. He knows exactly what he's doing.
He loves it. I love it.
I actually did sit down and watch that video that Hank was talking about the other day, the 15-minute long Bryson DeChambeau saga about him coming home from his last round of golf. It is one of the more insane things that I've ever seen in my life.
Building a house. I have no idea what he was doing.
There was one scene he's about to make breakfast, and he set up his camera on his kitchen counter right next to the refrigerator, and then he closed the refrigerator door and turned towards the camera just to show his stomach and a six-pack in it. He deleted my ant comment on Instagram last night.
That's messed up.

That's an ant move.

Yeah.

It's a big time ant move.

Are there ants on the course this week?

I don't know.

Are there ants in California?

We should get.

It's gotta be.

We should send him an ant farm.

Yes, we should.

Yes, we should.

But again, please stop tweeting.

Don't.

Bryson, the ant emoji.

He does not like that.

And, you know, we're not trying to get under his skin too much. Love it.
I Unlike the fire ants. Love it.
All right, what else? And I have one reverse fire fest. Okay.
Something really good that happened. Yeah, so a lot of AWLs downloaded the Play Barstool app.
It got close to 200,000, but thankfully, well, not thankfully. It's unfortunate, but apparently people in Canada are not able to download the app because it's a different country and they have different regulations for that type of stuff.
So I think that kept it under $200,000 so I don't have to get a cat. Okay.
Okay. So you killed a cat.
So we keep that storyline going. We will someday get you a cat.
Maybe. Yes.
When we send Bryce in an ant farm, we will also send you a cat. Yes.
You have to get a cat at some point. I would have.
I'm a man of my word. When I put a cat pet on the line, I'll always honor the bet.
Okay. PFT, what's your Firefest of the week? My Firefest of the week is I have to come up with new reasons and new ways to defend Tom Wilson.
Oh, yeah. Scumbag.
No, he's not a scumbag. As I've said before, he's clumsy.
He's a scumbag. I need to workshop a few ways.
He just happens to be falling into people. So people are saying that Tom Wilson's running into people's backs and boarding them dangerously.
Gnashing brains in. I don't think that that's the case at all.
The best I could come up with at this point is that people are afraid of Tom Wilson. They're afraid to make eye contact with him.
And when you don't want to make eye contact with an alpha alpha like at a dog park you'll never like look at the alpha dog if you're a small little pooch. They will turn their backs on Tom as he's approaching and he accidentally hits them in the behind.
Have you thought about just saying fuck it and just put your hands up and be like hey you'd love him if he was on your team too. That's a great way.
That's what you should just do. It's a great way to defend a guy like that.
Just be like hey guess what I know he's a scumbag i don't give a fuck because he's my scum he's a guy that you love to play with but you hate playing against right which is just the best code for he's a fucking asshole at least i don't think he's a fucking asshole he's not at avery levels okay avery right was a pest tom wilson at least is a scorer uh maybe there's something different about the customs in canada that he's not getting acquainted with just. He's struggling with culture shock.
Yes. He keeps slipping.
Ice is slippery. The ice in Toronto is really, really bad.
We went over this. If this was out in Edmonton, I think he'd be fine.
He'd be fair play all the way. Nothing would have happened.
As it stands, he is boarding people again and I'm going to have to do some mental gymnastics to convince myself that it's not intentional.

My other fire fest.

I have more breaking news.

Yeah, go for it.

Sorry, I had to tell you all.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Please, please, please.

Bryson DeChambeau

just broke his driver.

Oh, yes.

Oh, ant move.

Wait, did we ever find

the Rick Riley tweet too?

No.

How did he break it?

I guess, I don't know.

Out of anger?

Out of rage?

Out of some sort of rage? Maybe he got upset about something? That's as relatable as it gets. Yeah, actually, that is.
No hard feelings. Oh, it broke.
Okay, so he might not have broken it. It broke.
Oh, it'd be great if he was fucking... If he was holding it.
If he was... I mean, I don't know if that's like a court of law thing, but if he was holding it and broke he broke it wait breaking news again we have more troll god i guess this was a commercial or something six eggs five pieces of bacon nine protein shakes please put that in there that'd be good he said what he's having for breakfast he said eggs bacon and nine protein shakes oh my god oh i fucking love it.
Bryson is probably going to complain to the PGA. No, well, he's definitely calling it.
And be like, Brooks is being mean to me. Absolutely.
He's like, Brooks is bullying me on the course. It's also perfect because it's golf and there is this unspoken gentleman's rule.
But why wouldn't? Brooks is competing against Bryson. It's fucking sports.
Yeah. What? Like it's trash talk.

Who the fuck cares?

Listen,

I think that if DeChambeau wants people to stop bullying him,

maybe then he should start doing the exact opposite of everything that he's

done in his entire life.

But he would,

you know,

even if he did that,

he would do it in like a scientific way.

At least like a video of like,

I'm going to do the Costanza.

Yeah.

No,

he would have like saber metrics about who the most likable people in the

world are.

Like he'd pull up a Tom Hanks,

like, like an Excel spreadsheet, logging every word that he said, and then try to mimic those and then be like, yeah, okay, this is fake, Bryson. You know what? I'm fine with this.
I'm glad that there is a rivalry in golf. We needed something like this.
The Tiger Field just doesn't do it for me the same way. Today was actually one of the first times that I've been watching golf and I've been more excited to watch somebody else besides Tiger Woods.
Hell yeah. It's been awesome.
I'm looking at this picture. It took us what? Like an hour and a half into the show but fuck you Bryson.
Boom ding. Fuck you Bryson DeChambeau.
Chrysan go cry me a river. So.
So the head of his driver is just laying on the ground next to his feet. It's a very sad-looking picture.
You can't. It doesn't not look like an ant's head.
What hole is he on right now? Because you can't. He's two under through six, so he's got a long way to go.
You can't use a new club. You don't get a new driver.
Can he call a rules official over? He probably did. He probably tried to duct tape it.
I don't know. Oh, my God.
Okay. So good.
Here's what he said. What? He said, I guess it's all the swings I put in.
Oh, my God. That's why you should never practice, Bryson.
I guess I'm so strong. I didn't know my own strength.
Again, this a problem that brooks would not have because he doesn't practice right right his clubs are fresh always um all right my fire fest is another fire oh yeah go ahead uh my bed sucks okay my bed sucks now it's broken and so i i dread getting in and out of the bed the slats always collapse every morning I wake up with a backache now. Feels like something you should fix.

Yeah, well, I'm getting... Some of the Mindy Kaling situation?

Yeah.

No, no, I've already put in an order for a new bed.

But in the meantime, like, have you...

There's no worse feeling than being really tired at the end of the day

or maybe after a 24-hour stream,

and all you want to do is lay down on your bed,

and you dread laying down on it.

You dread the feeling of the slats breaking underneath you.

Yeah, I would have fixed that instantly. Well, there's no way to fix it.
I just have to order a new bed, and you know what that means? Now I have to assemble a new bed. Yes.
Sucks. Alright, live on Twitch.
Let's go. Alright, my fire fest is I actually got an invite to be a virtual fan, and I bought a hat that says Laker Dan, and I sat there for an hour waiting to get let in and never got let in like a fucking idiot and then found out Laker Dan hats yeah I bought one at the store at the Laker store it came with a mini flag too and you're joking no yes I'm joking and then we found out that LeBron just invited all his fucking kids from his school fuck you Le, LeBron.
Those kids are in Akron.

They're not real Laker fans.

They're Cavs fans.

I'm a Laker fan.

Wait, he invited kids from his school on a Wednesday night?

On a school night?

It was like 6.30, so it was early.

On a school night?

On a school night, yes.

Nonetheless?

Yes.

What about the second graders?

Imagine being a second grader at one of those schools.

They just get fucked.

They probably didn't learn anything this morning.

Dude, I'll remember this, LeBron.

You don't want Lake or Dan to show up.

I'm just going to say that.

Not a threat.

You really, really don't.

But it's kind of a threat.

So be careful, dude.

All right.

We'll see you everyone Monday.

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You're shying away

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