Grit Week - Deion Sanders, An NYC Garbage Man, And Monday Reading Sequel Waffle House Fight Guy

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, Grit Week 2020. Weird grit week, but grit week nonetheless.
We have an awesome interview with prime time Deion Sanders. We also have an interview with a real-life

Speaker 1 sanitation worker, trash guy, garbage man. So we get the ins and outs of the garbage business, and we also get to talk to Prime Time.
Pretty much two ends of the spectrum. Love it.

Speaker 1 It's going to be great. We have Who's Back of the Week? A little baseball weekend recap.
And then for our Monday reading, we check in with the other side of the

Speaker 1 Waffle House.

Speaker 2 Waffle House Fight, the cook that was making eggs in weird, fucked up ways from like three or four months ago.

Speaker 1 We get the story from the guy who was ordering the eggs. Remember, his girlfriend wrote in.
So his side of the story, it is must-listen to. Very excited for that.
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Today is Monday, July 27th. And welcome to Grit Week.
A little different this year.

Speaker 2 We obviously can't be going on the road. We can't be traveling in Vanny.
We can't be slumming it in Malibu with the celebs this year.

Speaker 1 Now, in our defense, so if you are just, if you are a new AWL, Grit Week is every single year. We've done this every single year.
We've had the podcast. So five years in a row, we have gone out.

Speaker 1 It was usually right before Memorial Day. We would go out on the road.
We'd do a bunch of interviews. We would see a different part of the country.
We've done the South. We've done the Midwest.

Speaker 1 We've done the West Coast. So this year, obviously with the pandemic, we weren't weren't able to go anywhere.

Speaker 1 We held off as long as we could. We were hoping that things would get better to the point where we could get on the road.
It turns out it didn't.

Speaker 2 We're going to combine it with a training camp tour that we also do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So we're going to go to like different training camps as they opened up in late July, but it became apparent that wasn't going to happen either. So we're making chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Speaker 1 And it's going to be fun. So we have some great interviews this week.
And on Wednesday, starting at noon. So from noon on Wednesday to noon on Thursday, we're going to be doing a 24-hour live stream.

Speaker 1 We're not going to be sleeping.

Speaker 5 Stream-a-thon.

Speaker 1 Stream-a-thon. We have a ton of stuff planned.
We're going to be raising some money. It's as gritty as you can get.
PFT is going to drink 24 beers. I'm going to eat 24 hot dogs.

Speaker 1 Billy Football is going to run a marathon on a treadmill. That's just a little taste of everything we're doing.

Speaker 2 We're going to have some celebrity guests. We're going to have interviews calling in.
We're going to have people that are playing us video games on the live stream.

Speaker 2 We've got a little bit of everything.

Speaker 1 What's grittier than that? So it is the grittiest way that you can sit on your couch. Pretty much, that's what week 2020 is.

Speaker 2 We timed it perfectly so it ends right when the NBA games pick back up. Right.
So we're going to try to watch those and probably just fall asleep on our couches. Correct.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we have adapted. It's going to be a lot of fun.
We hope that everyone will tune in during it.

Speaker 1 So that is Grit Week. We're in Grit Week.
Feel gritty.

Speaker 1 Let's talk. We had sports this weekend, finally.
Baseball all the way back.

Speaker 1 Any takeaways other than, I saw you tweeting about this, but the

Speaker 1 on pace for the 60 game season is going to be electric.

Speaker 2 It sucks though because not as many people are doing the on pace tweets. You know, like it's like the first Robin of Spring in early April.

Speaker 2 You always get the people who are like, oh, so Bryce Harper is on pace for 350 RBIs. Yes.
And I miss those tweets.

Speaker 2 There aren't as many popping right now because it's not as cool to say like, oh, John Carlos Stanton is on pace for 60 steroid assisted home runs. Yes.
You know, like it doesn't pop the same way.

Speaker 2 But there's still people out there that you're seeing in their native environment that are tweeting that out. And so my hat goes off to you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I had a few takeaways.

Speaker 1 The first was we're going to get more fights this year. Although, actually,

Speaker 1 let me step back because I don't know how they're going to fight social distancing, but there were, I was watching the Cubs game on Saturday.

Speaker 1 But I was watching the Cubs game on Saturday. It might have even been Friday, and it got testy.
And after the game,

Speaker 1 they were interviewing guys in the clubhouse, and they're like, yeah, we can hear literally everything the other team's saying. So like when they talk shit, we get pissed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's like a totally new normal where you, I think there might be more tempers flaring because you can hear every slight, every remark that is said in an empty stadium.

Speaker 2 I really want the broadcast to turn off the pumped-in crowd noise when there's a manager argument with the umpire because that's the one thing.

Speaker 2 Like I've always wanted to know exactly what gets said in those arguments. We got treated two years ago to my ass is in the jackpot.
Yep. And those types of gold lines.

Speaker 2 There was one back when I think it was Sparky Anderson got into a fight with an umpire where they had him mic'd up. That's just so awesome to hear.

Speaker 2 I want to hear every single fucking word that is said in those like belly-to-belly arguments.

Speaker 1 Did you see in the Cardinals Pirates game, the new normal, it is so fucking funny. The Pirates

Speaker 1 manager comes out, Shelton. He comes out and so the ump tosses him and they both are angry and they both pause to put on their masks.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they then stand five feet away from each other and scream at each other. It's like, this is, it's actually a great barrier.

Speaker 1 Like, it's a great way to have a, have a second to be like, okay, am I really mad? What am I mad about? Yeah. And take a, take a breath and be like, all right, this is what I'm mad about.

Speaker 2 It's a cool down period. It's like two boxers get into the ring before they start fighting.
They have to put on their masks.

Speaker 1 By the way, quick timeout.

Speaker 1 We're in the middle of the fourth quarter of our team, the Water Dogs, playing the Atlas. And Judas.

Speaker 1 Judas football is rooting for the fucking Atlas for some reason because he's a fucking loser. Billy,

Speaker 1 I still don't understand why you sat in this owner's suite of ours and you're like, I'm going to root for the Atlas today.

Speaker 2 Well, I think the Atlas have a lot of veterans with a lot of experience.

Speaker 2 No, they're an international team. You said it yourself.
It's basically Team USA from a couple years ago, right? So they're too used to playing the international game.

Speaker 2 No, it's Paul Rabel Anthony. It's Carmelo Anthony.

Speaker 6 You wrote that they have basically LeBron, James, Dwayne, Wayne, and Chris Bosch of Lacrosse on one team. Yes.

Speaker 2 And I get to pick wherever my allegiance is. They just tied it up.

Speaker 1 And they tied it up. We're falling apart.
That's fine. Whatever.
The Water Dogs have the best jerseys in the game. All right, so other baseball thoughts I had.

Speaker 1 So teams fighting,

Speaker 1 obviously

Speaker 1 the manager and the umps fighting with the masks on. The cardboard cutouts getting domed, which we mentioned on Friday.
That happened. It was awesome.

Speaker 2 The dog took a shot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was another one where a home run just went up, like, cut a kid's head off. They need to keep those up, though.
Yeah, they don't know. They don't need to be just complete

Speaker 1 a graveyard at the end of the season. Don't repair them.

Speaker 2 Show us how dangerous it is to really attend a baseball game.

Speaker 1 Right, and then they have the sad mascots, which I can't get enough of. Because there's mascots in the stands, and it's so funny seeing mascots with no one around them just being as sad as possible.

Speaker 2 It's also funny watching the game develop and figure out what works on TV and what doesn't work in this new normal. So they had, you know, they had the

Speaker 2 computer-generated fans,

Speaker 1 which were hilarious. It was N64 graphic.

Speaker 2 But, yeah, where they didn't do any rendering whatsoever on the people in the set.

Speaker 2 They should actually, like, there should be a video game that just concentrates the most about making the fans look as realistic as possible. Use that technology for this.

Speaker 2 Like, that'd be sick to have what would appear to be like an actual crowd that's all fake. But then

Speaker 1 instead of Madden, it would be just like Madden for fans. It would be just...
You don't get to play the game, you just get to go to the game.

Speaker 2 You get to attend the game. Right.
And

Speaker 2 get into a fight, maybe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 So like you, how many. This week we got the Chargers.

Speaker 2 Yeah. How many beers can you drink in an hour?

Speaker 1 Going to the Black Hole.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're at an Eagles game. Can you throw up on the person in front of you if they're cheering for the wrong team? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Block the battery or run from it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's Santa Claus. You've got a slingshot.

Speaker 1 I like that. You power up in Buffalo going through a table.

Speaker 2 Yes, it'd be sick.

Speaker 1 Your health is low. Go through a table to

Speaker 1 re-energize.

Speaker 2 Yeah, NFL fan 2K20.

Speaker 1 That would be a sick game. Someone write that game.
Someone write that game. But yeah, so

Speaker 1 the mascots are sad. The digital fans are weird.
I actually

Speaker 1 a low level of the crowd noise, the piped in crowd noise. Not too much, but just kind of that low murmur that you hear at a baseball game.
That's soothing to have.

Speaker 2 It's nice. Yeah, like when you're watching the Champions League and they have that low,

Speaker 1 yeah, right.

Speaker 2 They put the low murmur down pattern.

Speaker 1 It doesn't mean too much.

Speaker 2 They throw a chant in

Speaker 2 at some point, which, by the way, watching a little football this week in football reminded me that when we did our Mount Rushmore of stadium pump-up songs, nobody took the Ole, Ole, Ole song.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's that's pretty good. That's the international champions.
Yes.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I think that it's preseason or it's the start of the season for the behind-the-scenes graphics guys to the behind-the-scenes sound guys.

Speaker 2 So they'll learn how to hit the home run button and make the crowd gradually start sharing and stop eventually.

Speaker 1 Right. So that was baseball in NBA.
They're not ready yet. It's coming next week.
We're excited. They've actually had some preseason games which look good.

Speaker 1 But the big story was Lou Williams and the strip club incident, which is so fucking funny and so

Speaker 1 this league because

Speaker 1 Lou Williams, he left the bubble for, I think his grandfather passed away, and then he was,

Speaker 1 someone took a picture, one of his friends took a picture, a rapper, Jack Harlow, took a picture with Lou Williams in Magic City, the strip club in Atlanta, immediately deleted it.

Speaker 1 And then had the excuse when everyone's like, wait, Lou Williams is in a strip club. He said, I was just reminiscing because I miss him.
Yeah. Meanwhile, it's old time.
Meanwhile,

Speaker 1 Lou Williams was wearing the face mask that they gave out, the NBA gave out in the bubble.

Speaker 2 No, it's an old picture,

Speaker 2 I stand with Lou. By the way, if we're going to blame anybody for this, I'm absolutely blaming Jack Harlow.
Yeah. This is your fault, man.

Speaker 2 You should not, first of all, you're not allowed to take pictures in strip clubs. That's rule number one of any strip club that you've ever been to in your life.
Correct.

Speaker 2 It's like no cameras at any time. That's one.
Number two, don't take a picture of your buddy in a strip club when when you know that he's not allowed to be in there.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Number three, at least have his back when he's like, I was just picking up food, which I totally empathize with because some strip clubs have wonderful food.

Speaker 2 Jaguars in Dallas, Texas had one of the best breakfast buffets I've ever been to in my life.

Speaker 1 And let me tell you something. Lou Williams.

Speaker 1 He might have been there for the strippers, but he has had a history of saying that Magic City in Atlanta is his favorite food. They're famous for their wings.

Speaker 1 There are years and years and years of tweets, like 10 years of tweets of people asking Lou Williams like, what's your favorite spot? And he says Magic City every time.

Speaker 1 So I believe him.

Speaker 1 I just love the idea of like tweeting out a picture and then just being like, I just, I was just tweeting, I was just Instagram storing it because I miss him. Yeah.
Reminiscing.

Speaker 2 My old buddy. Yeah.
And listen. Simpler times.

Speaker 1 I thought you would put on Green Day.

Speaker 2 I blame two people. I blame one, Jack Harlow.
And then two, I blame Adam Silver. Because Adam Silver should have a strip club inside the bubble.
There should be a strip club.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 These are NBA players with needs, and that among these are casual lap dances and delicious lemon pepper barbecue wings. Yes.

Speaker 2 Which, by the way, I never thought that lemon pepper barbecue would be a good combination until I tried it.

Speaker 1 It's outstanding. Delicious.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Billy. You forgot the part where Lou Williams has wings named after him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 At Magic City? Yeah, look at that. They're called the Lou Will Lemon Pepper Barbecue City.
Oh, dude, he's totally off the hook.

Speaker 2 Now, I'm going to read a couple of these other flavors of wings that they have there.

Speaker 2 Uncle Jeff Honey Jerk.

Speaker 1 That I'd buy right away.

Speaker 2 Juju Rude Boy Jerk. Okay.
I don't know about that. Justice Magic sounds pretty sweet.

Speaker 2 And then they got the standard

Speaker 2 hot, naked.

Speaker 1 I go wings, they're describing

Speaker 1 dancers. I go Uncle Jeff Honey Jerk.

Speaker 2 Uncle Jeff Honey Jerk sounds like a good call.

Speaker 1 There's got to be a special recipe in that.

Speaker 2 Juju Rude Boy jerk. I don't know.
It seems like

Speaker 2 you might be getting into like a little hazing situation there, if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Hilarious this league story. And then the only other thing, which was kind of a big thing, Jamal Adams finally got traded, spoke it into existence, traded to the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 I actually love this trade for the Jets.

Speaker 1 Is it weird to say that they, like, the safety position is Jamal Adams is a great player. Yeah.
But to give up, what did they end up giving up? A first round in a, what was it?

Speaker 1 What was the final trade haul?

Speaker 2 The final trade haul, I believe, was like they got.

Speaker 1 Billy, do you want to put this in there? He got

Speaker 2 two first round picks, a fourth round pick.

Speaker 1 That's so much.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a slap for safety. It's a win-win as far as trades in the NFL go because one, they get rid of a player who was not happy there, didn't want to be there in the long term.

Speaker 2 And two, the Jets get players that can't be called busts for at least another three years. Right.

Speaker 2 They just like punted on their future, and they're like, okay, you can't accuse us of blowing this draft pick until we actually take the guy.

Speaker 1 So it's Jamal Adams in a fourth-round pick to Seattle in exchange for Bradley McDougal, first-round pick in 2021, third-round pick in 2021, first-round pick in 2022. That's a fucking haul.

Speaker 1 Like the Jets, that's a great deal for the Jets. Because especially because they traded up for Sam Darnold and they've lost a little draft capital.
So now they get it back. I love that move for them.

Speaker 2 The only danger in giving the Jets so many first-round picks is now they've got... They've got first-round picks that they can kind of take a flyer on.

Speaker 2 So they can get a little fast and loose with one of these guys and

Speaker 2 pick a slot guy out of a Division I double-A school that just jumps off the charts with his measurables in the first round and be like, well, we've got a couple to burn through, so we can take a chance.

Speaker 2 And the Jets, when they're feeling frisky, like they can take chances, that's a dangerous position for them to be in.

Speaker 1 The Seahawks also are one of those teams that whenever they add, oh, now we're down. God damn it.

Speaker 2 Fuck the Atlas. 11-10.

Speaker 1 A minute left.

Speaker 1 The Seahawks are one of those teams that, because of their history, the minute they add a defensive player, you're like, oh, shit, this isn't unfair. They're going to be so sick.

Speaker 1 Like when the Ravens add Earl Thomas, you're like, this isn't fair.

Speaker 2 Yeah, with the Seahawks,

Speaker 2 I automatically just assume that Earl Thomas is still there. Right.
Richard Sherman's still there. Right.

Speaker 1 Minka Fitzpatrick.

Speaker 1 The Steelers. He blew it.
And you're like, damn, the Steelers.

Speaker 1 When you add a defensive player to a defensive team, you're like, this is not fair.

Speaker 2 I just thought of this. They should call their secondary the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone Coverage.

Speaker 1 Ooh,

Speaker 1 Chaz. Yeah.
So

Speaker 1 that was a big story. I don't know.
L'A'Veon Bell was not. He was like, fuck that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. L'A'Veon Bell, he's pissed off at.
Let me get this straight.

Speaker 1 He's mad at Jamal Adams for forcing a trade out of

Speaker 2 a team that he

Speaker 2 does not feel respected long-term for.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 2 I stand with L'A'Veon Bell.

Speaker 1 Yeah. People do all the hooting and hollering to get you brought in just to leave.

Speaker 1 Hello, like people weird, yo, the internet got these dudes doing whatever for attention, even when they tell you shit they don't believe themselves. That was L'A'Veon Bell.

Speaker 1 So maybe I guess he's saying that because Jamal Jamal Adams tried to get L'Avion Bell, quartered him, now he feels betrayed. I don't know.
It's tough. Yeah, it's tough for L'Avion Bell.

Speaker 2 Did Jamal Adams make a mixtape announcing where he was going to go? No. You remember that? Feels like that was forever ago.

Speaker 2 Like all the NFL journalists staying up until midnight trying to figure out how to find L'Avion Bell's mixtape. Yes.

Speaker 2 And then listening to every track and transcribing it, trying to piece together the equation. Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way, I think we should fire our coach.

Speaker 1 Like, just straight up, that was it. You can't have a loss like that.
It's zero goals in the last 18 minutes.

Speaker 1 Zero goals in the last 18 minutes.

Speaker 2 They took her foot off the gas. It's unacceptable.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying fire the coach. What's the coach's name? Andy Copeland.
Andy Copeland.

Speaker 1 Andy Copeland, dude. We were up.
You're on the fucking hot seat.

Speaker 2 They were up 8-6 at a half and scored two goals in the second half. 8-6, most dangerous lead in lacrosse.
Everyone knows. Damn it.

Speaker 2 That sucks. Do you think the Atlas are going to make 6-8 box score t-shirts?

Speaker 1 How do you lose that game? How do you lose that game? I want Andy Copeland. I want to call him right now.
He should be on the hot seat.

Speaker 2 The Atlas shouldn't have let you in the game.

Speaker 1 Shut up, Billy. I fucking hate that you root for the Atlas.
All right, let's get to our

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Speaker 1 I can't believe the water dogs lost.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's a choke chop. That is.
We lost, though.

Speaker 1 The Atlas didn't win.

Speaker 2 I don't want the Atlas to get points for this. We should just get negative.

Speaker 1 God damn it. God damn it.
All right, Hank, your who's back of the week.

Speaker 6 My who's back of the week is the Mets.

Speaker 6 We talked about it in the beginning of the show. No,

Speaker 6 they were one strike away from winning their first game.

Speaker 6 3-2 lead.

Speaker 1 Blew the save, blew the lead, blew the game.

Speaker 6 And it was just good, you know, like Saturday night, all the Mets fans, I was at.

Speaker 2 Wait, I thought they won on Friday, though.

Speaker 1 Or whatever. They won on Friday.
They were not not to have the first blown game of the season.

Speaker 6 It's just good. You know, it's one of those things.
Like, we're talking about the return of sports, everything. It's just like

Speaker 6 the more and more things like this happening, the more and more everything feels normal.

Speaker 2 How was Jose Sespites, Hank?

Speaker 1 He was fine. He's fine.
He's good.

Speaker 1 Ed Luz Diaz. Ed Luz Diaz.

Speaker 6 He blew the save and he was smiling. Mets fans were not happy with that.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. It does feel the nature is healing tweets.

Speaker 1 Like when Mets fans just start having meltdowns on Twitter, it does feel like, oh my God, like Frank the Tank, who is a co-worker of ours, saying the season's over after game two and predicting 10-game losing streak after that one.

Speaker 1 It just is like, ah, this is like getting, like, slipping into a nice warm bath.

Speaker 2 That would be a great level in the Madden fan simulator to be a Mets fan. Like a side quest.

Speaker 2 You give up on the Jets. You become Fireman Ed.
You quit the Jets for a season, turn to the Mets, and then go right back.

Speaker 1 And watch them just punch you in the dick every single day.

Speaker 1 All right. Is that it?

Speaker 1 All right. Great.
Good job.

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 2 Good job, Hank.

Speaker 1 Thanks. Good job, Hank.

Speaker 2 Thanks. My who's back of the week is Alex Smith.

Speaker 2 Oh, Alex Smith, his personal doctor cleared him to resume football activities, which I don't think any personal doctor should ever clear you to be like, hey, go out there and just play football.

Speaker 2 That doesn't seem like something that a family physician would do.

Speaker 1 Do you think he should use the Redskins doctor? Sorry, the Washington football team?

Speaker 2 The Washington football team.

Speaker 1 I'd say the personal doctor is much, much more trusted than that.

Speaker 2 Well, so now he still has to get cleared by the Washington football team doctor to play. But

Speaker 2 it just dawned on me a second ago that what doctor is like, you should go play football.

Speaker 2 That'll be good for you.

Speaker 1 I actually, though, think that he probably, like, that doctor is now sending him to, like, you know, the Simpsons Dr. Nick.
Yeah, go get cleared by the exact

Speaker 1 cleared by the Washington team.

Speaker 2 But, I mean, good for Alex Smith. Like, I'm excited for him because, like, he obviously almost lost his leg a couple years ago.

Speaker 2 I just don't think that playing on that field in Raoul John, Maryland, is going to be a good thing for his leg. I don't know.

Speaker 2 I'd like to see him succeed somewhere, and I think he's one of those guys that is probably going to be a quarterback coach, probably an offensive coordinator eventually.

Speaker 1 He's got a shitload of money.

Speaker 2 And he's like the greatest backup quarterback of all time. Like, he will coach up a guy that he's in the room with, like, a younger guy that's there with him.

Speaker 1 He's also part of one of my favorite trivia questions of all time.

Speaker 2 Is it the one where he didn't throw a touchdown pass to a wide receiver for like a year and a half?

Speaker 1 No, No, it's what

Speaker 1 college has the only

Speaker 1 number one pick in football and basketball.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. Who was it in?

Speaker 1 It was in the same year, I think.

Speaker 2 Who was it in basketball?

Speaker 1 Andrew Bogutt.

Speaker 2 Oh, crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Pretty fun, right? That is fun.

Speaker 1 I think it was the same year. I think it's what college in the same year had had the first-round pick.
Yeah, 2005. Was that Alex Smith as well?

Speaker 2 I believe so. I believe so, yes.

Speaker 1 That's

Speaker 1 fun little trivia for you guys.

Speaker 2 But another fun trivia fact is I think it was like 17 weeks in a row of NFL football that Alex Smith did not complete a touchdown pass to a wide receiver.

Speaker 1 Yes, that was also fun. Yeah, it's the trivia question is what team had the number one pick in football and basketball? Only one team ever.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I hope Alex Smith does good. I don't know where he's going to end up landing.

Speaker 2 I don't know if he's going to actually play football this year, but I'm glad that he didn't have to have his leg amputated at least. Now it seems like he's recovered.
So that's cool.

Speaker 1 Big time. All right, my who's back of the week is Tom Thibodeau.
He is back. Tibbs is back.
His five-year deal, I think, with the Knicks has been been finalized.

Speaker 1 This is going to not work.

Speaker 2 Nothing screams in New York City like Tom Thibodeau.

Speaker 1 Dude,

Speaker 1 he went from, like,

Speaker 1 he didn't trust the ownership in GM in Chicago, thought they were bugging his office, and everything fell apart, and now he's going to go work for James Dolan. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I guarantee you, Tibbs decides just to, like, he lives in Staten Island, takes the ferry over every day.

Speaker 1 He's him versus the media. It's going to be great.
I mean, good news for him is I think like half of the Knicks roster is old Bulls castaways, So I think he can probably just cobble together a team.

Speaker 1 But it's just, that is, that's not going to work.

Speaker 2 Tibbs always struck me as a coach that is really, really good at getting the most out of mediocre talent and really, really bad at getting anything remotely good out of excellent talent.

Speaker 1 Well, he's just, he's all gas, no breaks. So, you know, game 20 is the same as the second round in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 And let's just say load management has become a phenomenon in the NBA, and Tibbs does not understand it.

Speaker 2 He doesn't get that.

Speaker 2 I would hire Tibbs in a second to coach the Water Dogs, or at least to coach our coach on the Water Dogs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, shh, fucking Water Dogs.

Speaker 2 Andy Clifford, put off the gas in the second half.

Speaker 1 Fuck that guy.

Speaker 2 You got to stay aggressive. Score.

Speaker 1 He's out. He's out.
I'm firing him. We're firing him.
And then my other who's back is Ryan Pace in his draft pick.

Speaker 1 So he traded Adam Shaheen, who was the 45th overall pick, second rounder in 2017, for a sixth rounder. So

Speaker 1 that's a good

Speaker 1 asset management. Good haul.
Yeah. Inflation.
You're taking

Speaker 2 inflation. But you guys only have, what, 10 tight ends now?

Speaker 1 Yeah. We're starting to get depleted.

Speaker 2 That's an issue. Let's see what happens.
Did he not have the depth chart in front of him?

Speaker 1 I don't know. It's just, you know, it's always good to make sure that it's kind of Belichickian of Ryan Pace to just keep trading guys for picks, even though the value just makes no sense.

Speaker 1 I remember when he was drafted,

Speaker 1 there was a lot of talk in Chicago that, because that was the Mitch draft, obviously, that Ryan Pace went out and got his Drew Brees and Jimmy Graham. Okay.
So, well, in a way,

Speaker 2 it is the Ryan Pace version of a Drew Brees and a Jimmy Graham.

Speaker 1 I remember reading that article. It's like, he understands his time in New Orleans.
He understands needing a big tight end and a great quarterback. It's like, fuck yes,

Speaker 1 we're ready to roll.

Speaker 2 Did you see the most hilarious saber metrics of our lifetime over the weekend?

Speaker 2 Somebody DM'd this to me.

Speaker 2 Mitch Trubisky has by far the highest quarterback rating in the NFL when it's exactly 66 degrees.

Speaker 1 66 degrees. Build a dome.

Speaker 2 Bears fan, or better yet, just like go outside and light styrofoam on fire.

Speaker 1 Or better yet, why doesn't Ryan Pace fucking package that shit up and trade him for a first rounder to a dome team?

Speaker 2 To a dome team? Or I'm telling you, like, people in Chicago just make your city warmer, raise a bunch of cattle and feed them bees, get them farting all the time.

Speaker 2 Let's increase the methane gas if it's exactly 66.

Speaker 1 Let's just remember that

Speaker 1 like five, four. Yeah.
That's perfect timing. But that's not fair weather.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it doesn't matter. That's probably the only chance you get.

Speaker 2 I'm absolutely going to open up my weather app every single Sunday morning. And if it's 66, I'm unloading on Mitchell Trebis.

Speaker 1 You need the clock on the field, though. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I need a giant thermometer. Now, do you think it's because he likes that temperature, or do you think there's something in his head when he sees that it's 66? No.
He feels good.

Speaker 1 I think.

Speaker 1 We just, like, we've been in this pandemic for so long that someone just dug so deep into stats that they finally found something.

Speaker 2 It's probably like a late October game against the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 Someone searched every single temperature. Yeah.
Oh, you know what it might have been? There was a,

Speaker 1 I bet you, I was at the game against the Bucs. They,

Speaker 1 was I at the game? I might not have been at the game.

Speaker 1 The Bucs, they put up, I think Mitch threw six touchdowns, and it was right around like weeks five or six. That had to have been it.
That had to have been it. It was probably that game.

Speaker 2 That's Mitch Weatherbase. Yes.

Speaker 1 All right, Billy, who's back?

Speaker 2 My who's back of the week. This is impersonation.

Speaker 1 That bitch, Carol Baskins. Oh, Carol Baskins.

Speaker 1 Who's back? Frank Kellyndo. That's an awesome job, dude.
I tried. Anyway, you did.

Speaker 2 Carol Baskins was awarded the Tiger King Joe Exotic's former zoo in Oklahoma. So Carol Baskins sued Joe Exotic, his company, his mother.

Speaker 1 I thought it was in Ohio. No.
Zoo? Oklahoma. Yeah, Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so she's getting the zoo. She won the long game.
Okay. She played the long game.

Speaker 2 She came out on top. Her and her simp husband.

Speaker 1 Her and her simp husband.

Speaker 2 She is now the tiger queen.

Speaker 1 Okay. She won.
There you go.

Speaker 1 Billy, by the way, we'll do it after the interviews because after the interviews, we have the Monday reading, but we'll also just recap Billy's sheet, which is fantastic.

Speaker 1 Let's get, though, to our interviews. We have Deion Sanders, and then we have a sanitation worker from New York City asking what it's like to be a garbage man, grit week.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is. Primetime.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is NFL Hall of Famer, two-time Super Bowl champion.
You know him as Primetime. It is Deion Sanders.

Speaker 1 Should we call you Primetime or Deion? Which one? Deion Prime. Okay, Prime.

Speaker 1 You guys are friends. Okay, all right.
So, Prime, my first question, and we just saw you sprint down the hallway because you said, Can I get 60 seconds? I think you took about 45 of the 60.

Speaker 1 You are one of the few athletes in the world where I don't care what age you are. I assume that if you put on the pads or grab the bat, you could make an

Speaker 1 NFL or MLB team today. Do you think that that's true, or am I maybe exaggerating your skills? That is true, but I would have to play a limited role.

Speaker 1 I know me. I got to set myself up for a situation to succeed and not to fail.
But that is true.

Speaker 2 What would that limited role be?

Speaker 1 I could play nickel at a free safety in football. In baseball, I could pinch run.

Speaker 1 Yep. I could pinch run.
I could get in late, drop you down a bunt, the third, beat it out.

Speaker 1 I could play a limited role.

Speaker 2 I'm assuming that you've seen the video that came out yesterday of T.O. and Tyreek Hill running a hundred-yard dash against each other, and then they ran the 40.
Yeah, T.O., I think he's 46 years old.

Speaker 1 Yeah, T.O. looks good.

Speaker 2 He looks pretty good for a 46-year-old. The muscles on his back is just insane.
I've never seen that on even a statue. But he ran the 40 right afterwards, and I think he ran in about four, four, five.

Speaker 2 My question is: do you think that you could outrun T.O. right now?

Speaker 1 I get T.O.

Speaker 1 Out of 40. We're talking about a 40.
I get TO. Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay. How fast do you think you'd run it in?

Speaker 1 I call it NM speed. Next man.
I'm just going to run next man. I'm just going to be the next man.
If the next man is a 4-6, I'm going to be a 4-5.

Speaker 1 If the next man is a 4-5, I'm coming in at 4-4.

Speaker 1 One step better than the next man. Okay.

Speaker 1 So your incredible career,

Speaker 1 you won two Super Bowl

Speaker 1 titles. You played in a World Series.
You played two sport athlete. Doesn't happen anymore, really, at all.

Speaker 1 Obviously, growing up, you knew you were an unbelievable athlete, but was there a moment where you're like, holy shit, like I am so much better than everyone?

Speaker 1 Yeah, when I came out the womb.

Speaker 1 No, no, man. When I was a kid.

Speaker 1 Growing up in Fort Myers, man, playing three sports, football, baseball, basketball, I knew I had it, but not just knowing was enough because i didn't want to settle with mediocrity even back then i wanted to dominate man i wanted the high step i wanted to i was dancing in 74 so dancing in the nfl in 89 was nothing new to me i've been dancing i've been celebrating i've been having a good time baseball football basketball i was all stayed in that i mean so

Speaker 1 understanding the gift is one thing but working your butt off to enhance the gift and to take the gift another to another level that was everything for me okay so let me let me me re-ask the question a little bit of a different way.

Speaker 1 At what point in your career did you know that you had to put in more work and you couldn't get by just on that natural gift? Just seeing my mama work, man. I saw my mama work two jobs

Speaker 1 predominantly my whole childhood and just to make ends meet. So I picked up the work ethic from what I saw.
And I picked up the game and the hustle part of it from my biological father.

Speaker 1 And I picked up the consistency of getting up, putting on the uniform, and going to work, like putting on a suit, putting on a football, baseball, basketball uniform for my stepfather.

Speaker 1 So, that's why you got to be careful what you do around your kids. I picked up those little things, and at seven years old, man, true story, seven years old.
I told my mama, you know what?

Speaker 1 I'm going to be rich one day, I'm going to make a lot of money, and you ain't going to never have to work another day in your life. And she said, For real,

Speaker 1 go get that limo and cut that grass right now, though, you know, for the time.

Speaker 1 So, you, you got to do that. True story.
I told her that at seven years old.

Speaker 2 you get to Florida State and you're one of the best athletes on campus immediately. I think you started as a freshman, right, on the football team? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So was there a point when either you had to sit down and look yourself in the mirror or Coach Bowden had to talk to you and say, now's the time where you need to step it up the next level.

Speaker 2 Like this is no longer high school football. It's a little bit more difficult.

Speaker 1 No, because

Speaker 1 I came to Florida State to change the game, to change the way the game was played. I mean, I've always thought like that.
I remember my first few games, I was rotating. It was a three-corner rotation.

Speaker 1 You know, these two start. I come in the next series, then the other guy sit down and we rotate it.
And then one time,

Speaker 1 those two guys went out to one of the sporting goods stores and bought themselves towels and wristbands with their numbers on them. And they didn't tell me.
So I remember them warming up for the game.

Speaker 1 I say, oh, that's nice. Y'all didn't tell me, huh?

Speaker 1 They say, my bad. I say, you know what? I'm starting and I ain't coming out.
How about that?

Speaker 1 There you go. There you go.
So in college.

Speaker 1 That's when I started and then come out again. Yeah.

Speaker 1 In college, Bobby Bowden, I think, is one of the most underrated coaches. What made him

Speaker 1 so special?

Speaker 1 He had, I mean, there's something, I can't remember the exact stat, but it's something like 50 or like 10 years in a row where Florida State finished in the top five, which is just just like, it's almost impossible how good he was for how long it was.

Speaker 1 I think it was more than that. But what made him so special?

Speaker 1 Coach Bowden was a wonderful human being, very personable, very spiritual. He's like a father being away from home that we all need, especially in the African-American community.

Speaker 1 But he had a staff that was unbelievable. If you do the history on Florida State, Florida State didn't fall off a little bit until all those staff guys start leaving.

Speaker 1 Chuck Omaro went to North Carolina State, I believe.

Speaker 1 Coach Mark Rick went to Georgia. This guy went to that place, South Carolina.
This guy went here. This guy went there.
And that's when things start going south.

Speaker 1 But until those guys start departing, he had a staff that was unbelievable that could recruit his butt off and then develop players like no other. led by my defensive back coach Mickey Andrews.

Speaker 1 Florida State has put more guys in pros defensively than anything. Offensive guys have been good, but not like the defense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just looked it up. So to put it into perspective, Bobby Bowden had a 14-year stretch where the Florida State Seminoles finished in the top five.

Speaker 1 Nick Saban in the Alabama Cursed Titan, who've been, you know, you could say Nick Saban's run right now is probably the best run in college football history.

Speaker 1 He still, they had,

Speaker 1 in 2013, they finished seven and eight in the two polls. Last year, they finished eight and eight, like, you know, eight, ranked eight in the coaches, eight in the AP.

Speaker 1 So they only went four years in a row where they for five years in a row where they finished in the top five. 14 years in a row where they finished in the top five.
That's insane.

Speaker 1 That's insane, but you got to understand, Coach Sabin loses his staff, what, every two years? True, true. I'm talking about the whole staff, not just the OCDC.

Speaker 1 He loses everybody, and then he has a tree that's phenomenal. That's the difference.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Did he ever give any shit about your dancing, some of the high-stepping that you do? Because Bobby seems like he's an old school type of guy.

Speaker 1 Well, I didn't dance in

Speaker 1 college whatsoever, but you got to understand, when you're the hardest worker, what they're going to say?

Speaker 1 When you went on the field, the last one to leave, what they going to say?

Speaker 1 When you playing two sports and you coming over to practice in between your two sports that you're playing on the college campus, what they gonna say?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 tell me a little bit about being the hardest worker because we talked to Jerry Rice here, what, maybe six months ago. He told us about racing that horse down in Mississippi.
I forget the horse's name.

Speaker 1 But what was your workout regimen like where you would put in more effort than everybody else i just wanted to be the greatest ever man i want to be the best ever i didn't want to be the best and uh i've never heard about that race with jerry rice and that horse and how can a human beat a horse but that's a whole nother story we'll come back to that later but the work ethic was unbelievable because i just wanted to be the best ever man that's just who i was that's how i got down And I'm still that way right now.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm going to get up in the morning to work out and do my thing, even to this day.

Speaker 1 That's why my kids have a work ethic because they see their father's work ethic.

Speaker 1 When I get off this Zoom call with you guys, I'm going to get on that limbo and cut this grass like no other because of my work ethic.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you have probably the most swag of any athlete ever. It's up there.
True. In the Mount Rushmore, right? That is true.
Yes. No, no, no.
I'm not in the Mount Rushmore. I am.
the Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 That's fair. You are the Mount Rushmore.
You personify swag.

Speaker 1 Was there ever a time, though, when maybe you caught, you know, we're talking about yourself in the third person

Speaker 1 just wearing ridiculous, awesome clothing, like in a limo or something. You just broke character.
You're like, what the fuck is this? Like, this is crazy. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No, because most of my stuff is premeditated. Like, most of my stuff was choreographed.
Most of my stuff, I knew what I was after.

Speaker 1 I was always thinking one or two steps ahead of the media and whatever happened.

Speaker 1 I wish it would have been a time like this where we had social media where I didn't have to manipulate the media and they didn't have to try to manipulate me and shoot me back once I told them I was great and they caught on to it three years later, but they wanted to tear me down before then.

Speaker 1 It was

Speaker 1 fun. It was a fun time, but never did I have one of those moments that I had to really look in the mirror and say,

Speaker 1 that one right. Well, it's not, okay, no, you never, it was never not right, but like I'm looking at a picture right now.
It is the, it is the epitome of swag. You have a dollar sign earring.

Speaker 1 You're on a phone. You have the gold sunglasses.
You have about 16 chains on you. You're wearing a jumpsuit, like.

Speaker 1 Sweatsuit. That was draft day.

Speaker 1 That was draft day. It's incredible.
It's so fucking cool. What am I supposed to wear to draft day? Some overalls? Some Dickie House shoes? What am I supposed to wear? Draft Day is the

Speaker 1 epitome. Draft day is like the

Speaker 1 country music awards for a country guy. What am I supposed to do if I'm wailing Jennings? What am I supposed to do?

Speaker 1 I'm actually happy you answered it that way because it actually confirmed what I thought is that it's effortless, like cool, and you are that cool.

Speaker 1 And then it comes across as like, hey, this is what it is. Because I know, like, when we, when we'll do videos or something, and we'll put on a bunch of jewelry or do it, like, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 Like, we look ridiculous. Let me give you the method behind the madness of that day.

Speaker 1 In that time, that was

Speaker 1 88.

Speaker 1 My hometown, Fort Myers, Florida, was during the crack capital of the country in that time. Everybody that was looked up to back then was not the athletes.
It was the drug dealers.

Speaker 1 It was the hustlers.

Speaker 1 I wanted to show everybody in that state, hey man, you can live a good life.

Speaker 1 play this ball, get your education, go to college, and you can do it with that hustling with the risk of going to jail for the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 So that's where the jury came in. The girls, that's what the girls wanted to see.
And that's what the guys respected.

Speaker 1 And the earrings and insinuated, man, I'm doing my thing, and I'm making money just like you guys. I just ain't hide from the police.
So that was a whole message behind the madness.

Speaker 1 But oftentimes, you never get to the message because you magnify the madness. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's an unbelievable picture.

Speaker 1 I I mean it is the coolest it's one of the coolest pictures you can come up with especially drafting you are I mean it is the the the dollar the dollar bill uh the dollar sign earring is so fucking badass draft day it's time to go from obscurity to notoriety it is instantaneously when I get this phone call being broke is over okay yeah mom we have made it go to your job and I want you I don't condone profanity but go cuss everybody out that ever gave you a problem problem at Lee Memorial Hospital, okay?

Speaker 1 And we good. You don't have to go back.
You do not have to go back, mom.

Speaker 2 Did she take that advice? Did she go in and cuss people out?

Speaker 1 If you know my mama, she did.

Speaker 2 I love it. How long did it take for her to quit her job at that point?

Speaker 1 Immediately.

Speaker 2 I love it. That's such a good gift to give to a parent, one that's put in work like over the years and kind of gone out of their way to help you achieve something.

Speaker 2 And then immediately saying, you're done. You're done.

Speaker 2 You've won.

Speaker 1 But guess what?

Speaker 1 the gift is the gift is maintaining it so that's why the stuff that i preach spoke about the work ethic and all that the consistency that's when that comes because a lot of guys have done that

Speaker 1 but mama had to go back to work because you're gonna handle your business properly mama ain't worked since man uh when was the last time you doubted yourself

Speaker 1 the other day when i shaved I said, you know what? That great beard really looked good. I don't know if you should have took it off.

Speaker 2 It did look good. You screwed up.

Speaker 1 I like it. It was becoming me, but I could grow it back in a week.
That's the thing about it. I could grow a beard back in a week.
So I doubted myself just two days ago.

Speaker 2 Okay, but with an important thing, or you know, whether it be in the business world or whether it be broadcasting or athletically, when was the last time that Prime Time looked in the mirror and said, Prime, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I don't know if you got it today.

Speaker 1 Probably call him a play

Speaker 1 in the high school football game. Like,

Speaker 1 we lost for the first time in two years this past season on

Speaker 1 ESPN and we won

Speaker 1 three straight state titles and we were in overtime and

Speaker 1 I called a play on fourth down that

Speaker 1 I doubt I should have went with something else.

Speaker 1 But the snap was on the ground and it killed me. Like it was a bad snap.

Speaker 1 So my son, which is the quarterback, had to drop his head, take his eye off the coverage, pick the ball up off the ground, reset and try to make it happen.

Speaker 1 And we had two bad snaps in the roll, third and fourth down, and we lost. Should have caught a draw like Credit Carrier.

Speaker 1 I doubted that call. Yeah.
Fourth down. What was the play call?

Speaker 1 I don't recall it now, but I think it was a double in, corner, high, low, backside, double in on this side. We needed this fourth and eight.
We needed eight.

Speaker 1 Didn't make it happen. It's two o'clock.

Speaker 2 Shoot. It's two o'clock right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know what that one was.

Speaker 2 Does your computer tell you every hour on the hour what time it is? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why does it say like, hey, Prime?

Speaker 1 I didn't say that. I'm not really computer literate.
So

Speaker 1 my kids do all this stuff. That's why I got to live a good, clean life because they have access to everything.
I don't know too much about computers or phones or anything like that.

Speaker 2 So, Prime, you've played on some of the best teams of all time.

Speaker 2 I'm not just talking about football because obviously you played on the 49ers, you played on the Cowboys, you played on that Ravens defense, but also in baseball, you played on the mid-90s Braves, you played on the Yankees.

Speaker 2 What was the best sports team that you've ever played on?

Speaker 1 Best as in fun or best as in talent? Both.

Speaker 1 Fun was Atlanta.

Speaker 1 Atlanta. Oh, God.
Braves the Falcons.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can't get no more fun. Jerry Glanville's the coach.
Everything is everything.

Speaker 1 That was fun. We got our butts kicked, but we had fun.

Speaker 1 Talent-wise,

Speaker 1 probably

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 9449ers.

Speaker 1 I think we had the number one defense and offense in the league. Steve Young was fantastic.
I did my thing on the defensive side of the ball. I think he was the MVP of the league offensively.

Speaker 1 I may be mistaken, but I think he was.

Speaker 1 And I had that acclaim on defense. And it was just, it was still it.
It was just straight stilling. Just to know you got an offense that's going to score 30 or 40.

Speaker 1 And you just got to sit in the rocking chair the whole fourth quarter because the other team is trying to catch up.

Speaker 1 Did you guys start partying at all on the sideline in that super bowl no no wait we we we knew we were gonna win it was nothing yeah you're up like 50 in the third fourth quarter

Speaker 1 you knew we were gonna win before the game even started right did you have a sip though like maybe i you know pop a bottle on the sideline real quick first of all i've never tasted alcohol in my life so i wouldn't do that um second of all those guys is very straight-laced man they were like go

Speaker 1 click in the time you remember the old time clock you put the card in and it did that.

Speaker 1 They were like that. So when I came, I had to open that thing up and like, guys, let's have a fun.
Come on, man. So I was taking them out to the club.
I was taking them to party.

Speaker 1 I was taking them to do the dog home thing with a little relaxed atmosphere. They were workaholics at that time that didn't know how to play.
Yeah. I don't mind working, but you got to play too.

Speaker 1 So you have one of the greatest quotes of all time, too.

Speaker 1 What is that?

Speaker 1 If you look good, you feel good. If you feel good, you play good.
If you play good, you pay good. You knew what I was going to say.

Speaker 1 you just wanted to say it that was way back in college i came up with that

Speaker 1 you but do you like what what was when did you come up with it and when you came out the first time you're like oh my god that's fucking genius because it's true like like in college everything like i said was premeditated because this agent made a mistake in my sophomore year and gave me a pamphlet of how much everybody made.

Speaker 1 At that point in time, defensive backs was not handsomely paid. And it was one of the worst paid positions in the NFL.

Speaker 1 And I said, I got to do something about that because I promised my mama she was going to have to work. She's never going to have to work.
So I had to come up with something. And I came up with

Speaker 1 this guy, which my nickname was Primetime from Basketball or High School, but I had to enhance this thing. So I had to do some finagling, do some thinking, and do some creative marketing.

Speaker 1 And that's what happened. So the dress code went to a whole nother level.
I went to my senior, my last game against the University of Florida last regular season in a tuxedo in a limo.

Speaker 1 That's how I went to my last game because that was it. It was it.
And I knew it. It was it.
Oh, that's great. I mean, it's smart.
It's the self-promotion to get yourself paid more.

Speaker 1 But that quote, fuck, that quote is just all taught. It goes, it's true, though.
It was true. And it just rolled right out the tongue.
I didn't even premeditate that.

Speaker 1 That one just rolled right out the tongue. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It is true. If you look good, you feel good.
And if you feel good, you play good. Yeah.
Have you ever?

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 Have you ever had a bad game where before the game, you were like, man, I just don't look good enough?

Speaker 1 No, never, never that.

Speaker 1 I never even come to that. That's a crazy question.
I don't even know how you fix your mouth to even ask me that.

Speaker 2 I also love your Twitter account because you really enjoy ending tweets with hashtag truth. So

Speaker 1 I've had a youth organization for the last, I think, it's over a decade, and our team name is Truth.

Speaker 1 What truth means is trust in God, respect myself and others, understand I have unlimited possibilities, try my best, never give up, and honor the truth and is creed at all times.

Speaker 1 You could catch a kid five years old in this city with a truth shirt on and say, what does that mean? And they're going to be able to regurgitate that to you expeditiously, as well as their parents.

Speaker 1 That's our creed. So that's really what that means is what I'm saying.
Okay. I like that.
Have you ever met Gary Busey? Because that sounded like abuse season. Yes, that was abuse season.

Speaker 1 He's hilarious. Yes, he is.
He's hilarious. He's crazy.
Yeah, he is. Literally.
Yes. Yes.
But in a good way. In a way, in a good way.

Speaker 1 Not abusive. You got to listen to him because you got to scramble through all that stuff and you're going to find a nugget sitting right there.

Speaker 2 What would you rather do?

Speaker 2 Doubt yourself publicly or make a tackle

Speaker 1 I find opposition to what you just said and I'm going to explain okay

Speaker 1 find one game where I was reluctant and I missed the tackle let me explain my game was so strong that was the thing they thought they found wrong

Speaker 1 that never happened don't you think if you would have saw me being that type of player, you'd have remembered particular plays where they just magnified that on television time after time and time again.

Speaker 1 You never saw that. That's a vicious rumor to criticize my greatness.
So, yeah, so and I find that very appalling.

Speaker 2 So, would you say that maybe you shouldn't have been so good at playing cover defense and intercepting passes because then people would realize that you weren't that bad of a tackler?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 what I would say is when you reach the epitome,

Speaker 1 Mount Rushmore, and fathermore,

Speaker 1 when you have ever on the back of your name, like greatest ever,

Speaker 1 ever, not E-V-E-R, ever, like E-V-A-H, I'm the greatest ever, they find something wrong.

Speaker 1 You can't think of a player that was really ever that they didn't try to find something

Speaker 1 that was not great and astounding. And that's what they try to come with me.
You have never in your life, my coaches has never said, hey, Prime, I need you to come up and make that tackle.

Speaker 1 Nobody never tells me nothing stupid like that because it never happened. I've never hurt my team in that aspect.

Speaker 1 And you can't remember one game where you watched or you watched or whoever watching this said, you know what? He let me down this game. Hey, I didn't say it.
I'm watching it.

Speaker 1 I'm watching a clip to me. I'm watching a clip from the Super Bowl right now.

Speaker 1 You didn't stop him from saying

Speaker 1 he was driving down. You should have reached over there and said, hey, don't go there.

Speaker 2 I'm watching a clip right now from the Super Bowl. Uh, and on this play, they highlight this as a play that you didn't want to tackle on.

Speaker 2 But I'm watching it back, and you just were too fast that you ran in front of where the guy was going to be.

Speaker 1 No, because you know I know what particular play you're coming.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna tell you what really happened on the play.

Speaker 1 It was one of our guys right behind that guy.

Speaker 1 So, if I cut that guy's legs out, which was my only opportunity to tackle him,

Speaker 1 I'm getting hit not only by the guy, but the guy behind him. Mind you, I was playing offense and defense that game

Speaker 2 you know what if you lose me what happens you're right i'm watching it back there's a guy it looks like a defensive tackle no a linebacker coming right at you right behind him uh-huh so what's gonna happen to me if i bring him down in front of that guy and also you were you were also too fast just go with that spin zone just be like i outran the tackle let's not check find another one i got time

Speaker 1 All right, while he looks for another one, I had a question about playing both baseball and football because I don't think it's ever going to happen again. I don't know who would do it.

Speaker 1 The only reason why because kids don't have nerve, they're good enough. Matter of fact, they're great, but they don't have nerve, right? And they're allowing people to

Speaker 1 put them in a box at an early age. You only play baseball, or you only play football, and you play that all year round, or you only play basketball, and all of a sudden you play AU.

Speaker 1 You don't have time for the other sport. That don't make sense.
Everybody I know wants two stream, two streams of income. You want to do multiple things.

Speaker 1 But when it comes to a sport, you got some idiot that ain't never done nothing is going to tell you you can't do one thing. I got time, by the way.
I'm talking to him, but I can multitask.

Speaker 1 I'm waiting on you to come up with nothing.

Speaker 2 What I'm coming up with right now is you absolutely roasting Tony Romo for pointing something similar out. And I just want to say, I don't want that smoke.
I don't want that smoke problem.

Speaker 2 You can direct it. I want Tony Romo.

Speaker 1 That smoke there was about something else. That was about T.O.
smoke.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 okay that was bigger than that that where it really happened so so my question is was when you were doing both logistically how hard was it and did you ever feel like man if i didn't like if i didn't have to spend a little time in the film room today it might help a little bit baseball or vice versa no i barely did it simultaneously where it overlapped and they made it very comfortable for me to get in the helicopter in Atlanta and fly over everybody and land Atlanta Fulton and get out and do my thing.

Speaker 1 But no, that never happened because

Speaker 1 when I was playing one, I was really focused on the one thing and I'm not thinking about the other. And I had that kind of ability to compartmentalize everything in life,

Speaker 1 which is not a good thing sometimes. Yeah, but it did happen in the World Series, and you had an unbelievable World Series with the Braves.

Speaker 1 You guys lost to the Blue Jays, but during that time, like, were you in the zone constantly? It's incredible to think about that. You're playing in the NFL.

Speaker 1 You're playing in the World

Speaker 1 If it wasn't for David Cohn, I wouldn't have even played. Just so happens, baseball is analytical.
And there's a guy, they were trying to punish. I'm trying to help these fools win the World Series.

Speaker 1 I got a football contract, and you're trying to punish me? Like, what kind of sense did that make?

Speaker 1 And you think I'm going to miss the Falcons playing against Dan Marino, Duper, Clayton, and Nat Moore, and not be out there on the island?

Speaker 1 And I'm sitting on a bench for a straight nine, not even a thought of getting in. So, no.

Speaker 1 And I'm on a football contract. That's why we did the whole 30 for 30 because of this nonsense.
Because I'm on a football contract, but you try to punish me and not let me play. Thank God, David Cohn.

Speaker 1 And I was hitting like 600 or 700 lifetime off Cone. If it wouldn't have been no David Cohn, I would have never played in the World Series.

Speaker 1 So every time I see Cone or I see an ice cream cone, I just smile. And I get happy.
Because if it wasn't for Cone, I would have never played.

Speaker 2 I did find one more example, but I'm going to let you off the hook on it because I did. Oh, I did.
I did. Yes, I did.

Speaker 2 It was against Bo Jackson, though. So

Speaker 2 I can't hate on you for getting stiff arms through the cushion of yours by Bo Jackson because anybody would.

Speaker 1 Of the freshman to chase down a 225-pound man to shit sent straight from the hand of God. And you're going to try to bring that up on me? That's what I'm saying.
I said I wasn't away from that tackle.

Speaker 1 I ran up on Bo and he pulled my head and pushed me down like I was an infant. Me and Bo,

Speaker 1 we love each other, but that right there is like the elephant in the room when we see each other all the time. Yeah, but that wasn't.
You can't, and I'm 18, man. You can't indict me on that.

Speaker 2 That's why I said I wasn't going to bring it up. But the clip is out there if people want to watch it.

Speaker 1 You did bring it up.

Speaker 2 I didn't. I brought it up, but I retracted.
I will give you a pardon for that tackle. Is he the most athletic person you've ever been on a field with?

Speaker 1 No, my cousin Junebo,

Speaker 1 he was a crackhead and uh good dude though but he was very athletic because he was still stuck when i came home from college and could never catch him could never catch him and he would sell it and i would have to go get it back at the hood in the from the from the drug dealers he was probably the most athletic my cousin jumbo but next to that i think it was both where are we uh primed with your fight against people who are terrible at using public bathrooms Dude, you mean the guys that can't hit the water?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you did a rant on Twitter not too long ago about people just not being able to hit the water. They're just pissing all over the toilet.
Is that not the worst? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then now you got the pressure of wiping the seats down or defunking the whole bathroom because when you go out and you're recognizable, they're going to think it's you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's true. So

Speaker 1 I got to make a decision. Yeah.
What do I do? I think

Speaker 1 I got to really wrap my hands up and wipe somebody else's pee off the lips of the toilet when it's just sitting there like a gold treat. And it just makes me mad.

Speaker 1 And then somebody leave 15 candy bars in the bottom of the toilet. And if you walk out of there, it's you.
That's well, no, you have to do...

Speaker 1 If you're talking about like a public restroom with stalls, you got to do the kick open method. Yeah.
You kick it open.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you see the mess, you move on. You move on.
You cannot leave a floater in there when you're recognizable. Because what's the first thing you're going to say?

Speaker 1 Hey, man, crime blew this bathroom on live, FaceTime. Oh, my God, we knocked our bottom out of this thing.
So, I'm, I got to make a decision.

Speaker 1 Wait, now, now that I'm thinking about it, you're seeming kind of suspect. You're kind of trying to get out ahead of it.
Are you blowing up bathrooms left and right?

Speaker 1 And you're trying to basically give yourself an alibi? I will get out. I'm in the country, first of all.
See, look, I pee outside. Everywhere I go, I pee outside.
Like, I'm an outside peer.

Speaker 1 I love the freedom. I love the air.
I love the breeze. Oh, I pee outside every day.
I get up at night and go outside just to pee. Hold on.
So that would actually be more in my favor of this argument.

Speaker 1 You aren't used to peeing in a toilet.

Speaker 2 It doesn't have target practice.

Speaker 1 You don't have the target practice. You're sounding suspect.
No, but

Speaker 1 if you're not close to the toilet, all you got to do is just do the split. Just spread your legs.

Speaker 1 I just love it. I remember seeing it on Twitter and being like, what the hell is the? Oh, okay.
This is actually a very important issue.

Speaker 1 That makes me mad. I got a real issue with that.
I do.

Speaker 2 I got an issue with that. I do agree with you, though, that taking a leak outside is much preferable to peeing indoors.
Like feeling grass underneath your feet and just pissing outside is

Speaker 1 I can't do that because I got bad feet. It's not the grass.
It's the coolness and the freedom. Yeah.
It's the freedom. And it's like the wind just whistling.

Speaker 1 They just, the wind just whistles around your you know around your nba balls and just just just the whistle the whistle of it going back to the bathroom thing you you don't strike me as a shy person why wouldn't you just walk out of the store and be like just so you know that's not a prime messenger that was there when i got into the bathroom so don't put it on i i don't have problems i don't have time to be explaining to nothing to a stranger that i don't know i'm trying to prove myself to you it's almost like i'm i'm admitting guilt if you're walking in the bathroom and i'm coming out dude I'm trying to tell you, man, that was not me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what you gonna think that was him? Yeah, that was Prime. Prime is messy in there.
He's got to be bad at something. Yeah, like

Speaker 1 with a forearm laying inside the toilet. Yeah, I can't be here.
Yeah, it actually would make sense. You're, you're, you're, you know, you played in the NFL, you played in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 1 Everyone has to have one fault. He can't hit a toilet, right? So that's how I think.

Speaker 1 You once said rock bottom for you was laying between two or three women at a time. Do you not understand what the phrase rock bottom is? Soliloquy.
Don't take the part of it. That was a soliloquy.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 But rock bottom, I don't think you know what that means. Yes, I do.
I didn't say that was rock bottom. What I said is, could you imagine

Speaker 1 sleeping in a 15,000 square foot home and not getting no rest? Can you imagine having hundreds of pairs of shoes that you can't go anywhere? You're not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 You can't take a step in the right direction. Can you imagine have several cars and you can't go nowhere? Can you imagine?

Speaker 1 It was soliloquies like that. Then I said, Can you imagine sleeping in between two and three women at a time and ain't nobody satisfied when you got up? Could you imagine?

Speaker 1 You gotta work harder. Yeah.
Walking out of the stadium with 67,000 people screaming before they don't even know your middle name. It was a whole soliloquy of things that I said.

Speaker 2 Could you imagine?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but all those things seem like really awesome stuff like oh i'm in a 50 50 000 square foot house oh i've got too many shoes yeah well i actually could imagine the not being able to satisfy two or three women i mean that's yeah who could do that

Speaker 1 yeah yeah but that's that was a long soliloquy of things that i just wanted to put you into place i wanted you to be me for a minute okay i would love to be you for a minute yeah that sounds sick do you when you get going on a soliloquy like that is there a part of your brain that's like fuck man this is really good?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 I'm going. I'm prime right now.

Speaker 1 No, no, because it's just, it's a button. Like, I can hit a button and then

Speaker 1 it comes, man. It's a button.
Like, you got to understand, like, as soon as I leave you guys, I'm not lying. I'm going to ready to get on the tractor and cut some grass.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Like, that's the difference. That's the dynamics of the personality.
I could be this, but I'm really that.

Speaker 2 What do you like to do to relax?

Speaker 1 I fish. Oh, I go out there and I fish.
Hell yeah. What do you catch out there? Bass.
I'm a bass guy.

Speaker 2 When you're on the boat, do you stand up and then pee over the edge or do you hold it?

Speaker 1 Every now and then.

Speaker 1 Every now and then.

Speaker 2 I do. It's a challenge because it's almost like you're surfing and you're activating those leg muscles to balance yourself when you're pissing out of a boat.

Speaker 1 No, I have a pontoon boat or I have this one little round boat that I'm in. It's just the only challenge is to make sure I'm over the edge.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I have a rainbow. It's really satisfying, though, to pee into a lake or into like an ocean, you know, nature's toilet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because the water is going to catch me. Yeah.
Are you angry at all that your Hall of Fame bus doesn't really look like you? No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 Only thing I'm angry about is why would they take the bandana off? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It don't make no sense. Like, like you told me you wanted to be me, and that was me.
So I don't understand why

Speaker 1 that was a problem yeah that's not right i'm looking at the picture right now they they didn't that was mean what they did you're a lot you're a good-looking dude and they i don't know what they did but it's just different it looked like a white dude from upstate new york like his name was bruce or harold

Speaker 1 it looked like his name is harold like that that's really what it looked like it don't look like a prime it's a harold

Speaker 1 What was it?

Speaker 2 What was it like prepping for that speech when you go in the Hall of Fame? Because I feel like you can just step up to the mic and just talk. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I didn't write anything down. Only thing is a few people that I didn't want to miss the thank you.
But as far as the speech, it's like a roller.

Speaker 1 It comes in your head and it just rolls down and you tell the story. I could just see the story strolling as I'm talking.

Speaker 2 What was it like when what's his name, David Baker?

Speaker 2 When David Baker came to knock on your door at the hotel and say, hey, you made me.

Speaker 1 He didn't knock on my door. I wasn't going for that.

Speaker 1 I wasn't going to put myself in that situation where you're going to get a chance to knock on my door or not knock on my door and tell me I'm good enough for your little committee.

Speaker 1 I wasn't doing that. I was actually coaching

Speaker 1 a youth football game versus Snoop when the announcements were having.

Speaker 1 And they stopped the game and said, Hey, Prime, and Snoop came over with the microphone and he did that. Snoop told you.

Speaker 2 Snoop told you that you made the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, that's how I went down.

Speaker 2 That is the most perfect game.

Speaker 1 I told him, I'm not coming to know. Because you guys don't know how they do this.
So imagine

Speaker 1 four of your guys in a room and they come and tell you two, hey, you guys got the podcast.

Speaker 1 Those two didn't.

Speaker 1 That's how it is. They come and tell you, then they take the guys that didn't out the back door and nobody ever heard of them.

Speaker 1 That's why T.O. said, I'm not doing it.
Because two years prior, every year, he was the guy that they had to walk out the back that didn't make it. And that's very humbling.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I never thought of it that way, but you're absolutely. Yeah, I wouldn't put myself in that situation.
You wouldn't do me like that. Damn.
I got kids. Yeah.
They look up.

Speaker 1 Speaking of which, are both of your kids going to go pro?

Speaker 1 I hope so. It's looking like it could be on the cooks.
Yeah. Are you going to go...

Speaker 1 I remember I think it was...

Speaker 1 Maybe January this year where you said you're going to be a head coach soon? Are you still planning on doing that at a college football? Yeah, I will be. 2021, I will be.
Where?

Speaker 1 I don't know, but I will be. Okay.

Speaker 1 Is it going to be a package deal with your sons?

Speaker 1 I don't know about that. I'm not a part of a package.
Like, I create the package. I'm not a part of a package.
Well, yeah, you did. You created the package.
You created your sons.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I create the package. I'm not going to be a part of the package.

Speaker 2 Do you have any eligibility left? I would love to see you go back to college.

Speaker 2 They should just give Deion Sanders one year so he can go play with his son at whatever college he wants to. Where would you go right now if you were being recruited?

Speaker 1 With my sons, plural. I would want them together, and I want to be there with them together.
I would want them on the same team.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's going to be... I would like that.
What school? They probably wouldn't, but I would like to.

Speaker 2 If it were up to you, though, what school would you go to if you were just coming into your own right now?

Speaker 1 That's tough because I haven't looked at it that way for defensive backs.

Speaker 1 But you got to understand, I'm a lot like my youngest son, and he's a lot like me, where Florida State wasn't Florida State until my class got there. So that 85 class got there.
And things changed.

Speaker 1 So he's the kind of guy that said, dad, if I go to one of these majors, they're going to be the same with them without me. I want to go somewhere and make it my own.
I want to make it that.

Speaker 1 I want to change the game. That's the way the little man thinks, man.
So that's why he chose FAU.

Speaker 1 I like it. That's smart.

Speaker 1 And it's

Speaker 1 eight minutes from a beach, too, by the way. Yeah, that's a good point as well.
Quality of life. And yeah,

Speaker 1 like going to, if you're picking a school and you're an athlete, I went to the University of Wisconsin. I don't know how they ever recruit anyone.
They recruited me. Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. How can they recruit a black man from Florida to Wisconsin? There's that.

Speaker 1 Who did that?

Speaker 1 Go visit?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I'm in Florida.

Speaker 1 I had a curl. You think my curl was going to withstand

Speaker 1 Wisconsin? No, that would have been great. I didn't even know how to

Speaker 1 spell Wisconsin. Probably still don't.

Speaker 1 But you you think i'm no i'm not going to wisconsin i didn't wear socks in high school i didn't own a jacket when i went to the university of georgia for a visit i walked through the little walkway and my curl froze he ain't coming here ain't no way in the world why would you invite a kid from florida to a visit in december that's the dumbest thing that's the dumbest bit of recruiting and then vince dooley to top it off he said mr sanders i hear you're pretty good i'll tell you what once you red shirt, you're going to really contribute with us.

Speaker 1 I said, sir, with all due respect, I'm better than everything that you got out there, what I just saw. They just lost to Georgia Tech.
Are you going to tell me about a red shirt?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm better than everything you got on your field.

Speaker 1 I really said that.

Speaker 1 Imagine being the guy who wanted to get prime time to fucking red shirt. What an idiot.

Speaker 2 Yeah, do you know where he is right now?

Speaker 1 You recruited me, man. You're one of the few people.

Speaker 1 That's because I love you guys you guys probably the

Speaker 1 it ain't too many people know that that i've really let in on that but they recruited me my senior year that's crazy how did that happen i don't know yeah that's my point though it's like i don't you you're saying your son's picking a place that's eight minutes from the beach i never understand

Speaker 1 how uh wisconsin ever gets anyone because it's like if i were uh recruited anywhere i'd be like fuck i'm going to the desert i'm going to the beach like i'm going to enjoy this right right But they do a great job.

Speaker 1 They got a great program, too. Yeah.
Yeah. Just run the ball.

Speaker 2 Prime, I got a little bit of history with you musically. So

Speaker 2 I purchased your CD.

Speaker 2 I believe it was called Primetime, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I purchased it from Sam Goody back in 2007.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 What was your favorite song? Must Be the Money.

Speaker 2 Why You Envy Me?

Speaker 1 Also a banger. You like that? You don't have to say another word.
Let me kiss you.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 You don't have to say another word. Because if you can remember that song, that was my favorite song.
That was my favorite song.

Speaker 1 And the video was supposed to be at a press conference with all these mics sitting up in my face. And I'm talking about why you hit me.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. That was a hit.
Did you write that?

Speaker 2 Did you write your own music?

Speaker 1 That was a hit. Yes.

Speaker 2 So I purchased it and it cost $0 when I bought it.

Speaker 1 Ain't nothing wrong. You still got it.
Okay. All right, cool.
There There was a message behind it.

Speaker 2 I liked We Can Roll too and how surprised.

Speaker 1 We can roll y'all. Yep.
I was driving down 85. That was the thought process there.
85 South in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 I had one last question for you. It's our body armor question.
Go drink body armor. I'm a strawberry banana guy.
Here. This is what I got.
You drink body armor prime.

Speaker 1 You should be drinking body armor. That's what my kids do.
My kids do. Delicious.
You can go to drinkbodyarmor.com or Amazon for any of their flavors.

Speaker 1 So, this is technically, we usually do grit week where we, right before Memorial Day,

Speaker 1 we travel around the country, we interview people out of the van. Obviously, coronavirus happened.
It canceled it. So we're doing it this week.
You're going to be part of it.

Speaker 1 You're actually going to be the lead. So everyone thinks primetime.
They think Flash. They think, you know,

Speaker 1 everything, right? The jewelry.

Speaker 1 But you are a guy who made it. to the highest level, the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and you have to have had at least a little bit of grit to get there.
So what does grit mean mean to you?

Speaker 1 And where have you in your life been like, Yeah, I got to just suck it up and be gritty?

Speaker 1 Grit means to being tenacious, involving tenacity,

Speaker 1 being hungry, being a fighter, being a warrior, just not stopping, not withstanding the mess, being able to not condemn but condone certain things, but yet it's still staying focused, man.

Speaker 1 When I was in AAA

Speaker 1 baseball, I think it was 88, playing for the Columbus Clippers.

Speaker 1 I didn't really see the vision. I'm in AAA and I'm getting ready to be a millionaire in a matter of time.
Why am I in AAA playing in a small town riding these buses all around the country?

Speaker 1 And my agent at the time, Eugene Parker, who's passed on, was like, hey, Prime, you got to suck it up, man.

Speaker 1 Trust me, trust me.

Speaker 1 Having the leverage is going to pay dividends for you and you can really play this game just suck it up i'm like dude i'm getting ready to get paid man why am i here why am i there i i don't want to be here and i i had to really take a look in the mirror and say you know what i got to sacrifice for what i want for that dream that i told my mother that dream of leading kids out of my inner city in fort miles florida and showing them the direction and showing them i'm not a quitter And I sucked it up, man.

Speaker 1 And the rest is history. I like that.

Speaker 2 Brit also means not being afraid to take some toilet paper off the roll and wipe up another man's piss if you have to. So you don't have to.

Speaker 1 You better wipe up your hands at least four times.

Speaker 2 Yeah, four wrap it. I love it.
Well, thank you, Dion. It was good to meet you, man.

Speaker 1 Do you still have the dollar sign earring? No,

Speaker 1 I haven't worn earrings in probably

Speaker 1 20 years.

Speaker 1 I don't. I don't.
Okay. I love that.

Speaker 1 Guys, what do you guys like to do? My turn for the question.

Speaker 1 What is your biggest hobby?

Speaker 2 I I watch a lot of sports, yeah, gambling.

Speaker 1 You watch a lot of sports, like what's your favorite sport?

Speaker 2 I love, I love football, I like rugby, I like actually anything.

Speaker 1 You know what? I'll tell you what, we need to do you and I, you and I, because we got to, we got to reunite because that stuff you said a minute ago kind of took me off of you.

Speaker 1 And I, I've been looking at my screen with you with a phone up and just looking at my guy, not you.

Speaker 1 But I apologize, but I just want to be honest. That's fine.
So, what we need to do to rekindle our relationship, we need to plan a rugby trip next summer

Speaker 1 and we need to get on a rugby team overseas and actually play a game okay i'm down to do that

Speaker 1 i'm gonna yeah we gotta play a game i i've been invited to join a couple rugby teams here in the united states the major league rugby team they know me they know me they won't let me get away with it we got to go and i i have a noed tretnaz is my name Noeed Tretnaz.

Speaker 1 That's Deion Sanders Backwards. I've gone by the millions of restaurants or Rich Blackman.
You know, first name, Rich Blackman is the last name. I go by that name as well, all around the country.

Speaker 1 But we need to go up on the Sume names and join that because I want to do it at least once. Okay.
Wait, so, okay, so that sounds like an awesome idea.

Speaker 1 Now, for me, we're going to go to Vegas and I'm going to gamble with your money. Is that how we're going to go? I'll only play Blackjack.
Okay. I'll play Blackjack for you.
But I'm very cheap.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 we'll do the full prime time, like draft day primetime experience.

Speaker 1 No, no no no i'm very cheap like what i do if i go to vegas which i rarely do i put a hundred dollars in my pocket and i go downstairs you ain't getting more than that that's it smart and i'm gonna play five dollars a hand all right well well prime thank you so much it's been so much fun we really appreciate it man and uh you're welcome on anytime god god bless you and i apologize that i did not have my phone i had my that's my country phone this other phone don't work out here i apologize guys because i'm never late for anything no don't worry that's fine this is perfect No, no, that bothers me sincerely.

Speaker 1 I do. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. We appreciate it.
We're going to give you a pass.

Speaker 2 I forgive you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Appreciate it. And we still got some bonding to do because that wasn't good.

Speaker 2 Listen, maybe you can teach me how to tackle because I've got.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not. I also

Speaker 1 tackled every bill my mother has since 88. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Thanks, man.
Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1 It is a sanitation worker.

Speaker 1 Is that the exact title? It is Cooker, who's a friend of the program.

Speaker 1 Sanitation worker, trash man, what's the correct way to say it in 2020?

Speaker 7 Correct terminology, sanitation worker, you are right.

Speaker 1 First time sanitation worker. Okay.
Well, I actually had one of the questions I had written down

Speaker 1 right off the bat is, do you ever, do people ever assume that you're in the mafia when you tell them what you do for a living?

Speaker 7 I always tell them yes. Always say yes.

Speaker 7 They run away from it. It's great.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's perfect.

Speaker 2 I like that. I mean, why deny it if they already think that? Yes.

Speaker 2 Are there any like classic sanitation guy jokes that you make, maybe to to like a rookie on like his first run or something like that, just to bust his balls a little bit.

Speaker 2 Like, what are some good inside jokes in the biz?

Speaker 7 Yeah, there's a few inside jokes who say, uh, it's picking up, you know, how's the job, picking up, has a bad thing.

Speaker 7 You know, just just all the crazy shit like that. Uh,

Speaker 7 and then, uh,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 that's I first came on, that's what they told me, and that's what we stick with.

Speaker 1 So, when you're working, I always wondered what how long, how,

Speaker 1 how big of an area can you cover as a sanitation worker? Like on a daily shift, what is that, eight hours? Are you working eight hours?

Speaker 7 Yes, we work eight hours. It's mostly in the morning, early morning, 5 a.m.
We start, and we cover sections of different neighborhoods. We can't do every neighborhood with one truck.

Speaker 7 We usually have three trucks that do one neighborhood. And we just bust their ass and get the job done and off the street by 8.30, 9 o'clock okay

Speaker 2 yeah yeah i've always wondered that because it always does seem like the trash uh the sanitation workers excuse me come during the morning time and they usually wake you up is there any neighborhood that you've ever worked in where the trash comes at like i don't know noon when people are at work uh yeah there's a few neighborhoods that do pick up starting at 4 p.m and then there's a few neighborhoods that do overnights uh the midnight shift because usually when you start in the morning you're done earlier enough uh

Speaker 7 usually off the street like I said, at nine o'clock the latest. It won't get too late after that.
And then a new shift comes on at 4 p.m. to annoy the other people driving home from work.

Speaker 7 We try to annoy the people going to work. 4 to 12 shift annoys the people coming home from work.

Speaker 2 Would you consider being a sanitation worker as being one of the hardest jobs that you've had?

Speaker 7 Yeah, most definitely. It's strenuous.
I've been doing it for 20 plus years.

Speaker 7 It takes a toll on your body.

Speaker 7 It takes a toll on your mind.

Speaker 7 Stressful, but it pays a lot of bills. I've done very well with the sanitation department.
I have no problems with what I've been doing for 20 plus years.

Speaker 1 What's the most stressful part of a sanitation worker's job?

Speaker 7 Trying to deal with the public is one thing. Plus, you're driving a big truck that accidents can happen.

Speaker 7 We consider ourselves one of the best drivers because we do have a commercial license. We do drive trucks.
And then we're just trying to avoid traffic, accidents, people in the street.

Speaker 7 Now we have these mopeds that are everywhere, bikes are everywhere. So

Speaker 7 it's stressful as a driver.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What's the weirdest thing that you have found or seen in all your years of working in sanitation?

Speaker 7 Oh,

Speaker 7 well, there's a few things. Well, besides personal pets that we take care of,

Speaker 7 there's personal fun items that people throw away

Speaker 7 in the bedroom sense, which

Speaker 7 we try not to touch with our bare hands, but

Speaker 7 we still throw them away. It's a few laughs.

Speaker 7 I've seen a couple of nice pictures that are thrown away that we have to throw away as well.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but

Speaker 7 mostly a story that I have come before I started the job when we were training is the trainers were telling us that there was a couch in the South Bronx that had drugs in it.

Speaker 7 But that's a few things that we find too, but I just missed it by a few weeks or else I wouldn't be here in that. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Ah, yeah. So, have you ever seen a dead body?

Speaker 7 Uh,

Speaker 7 parts, yes. I haven't seen a full dead body.

Speaker 1 No, whoa, parts. Uh, when you're figuring out

Speaker 2 kind of your crew and who you're going to be working with on a particular day, is it the same crew over and over that you work with?

Speaker 2 And how do you decide who gets to drive, who gets to stand on the back, who gets to ride shoddy?

Speaker 7 Right, because uh, well, I do have a steady partner, he has over 15 years in the job, so it's based on your all your you of your seniority so i'm consider the driver he's considered a loader we do switch it up once in a while i'll load a route and then he'll drive the route but most of the day shift is all the guys with a lot of time on the job that's 12 years 13 years and on and most of the night shifts are the junior guys we call them so uh those guys bounce around the clock working while senior guys take care of the morning shift

Speaker 2 Yeah, who's the guy that, like, what's what's the best position to have? The one that you have to stick around the longest for?

Speaker 2 If I look at a trash, if I look at a garbage truck going down the street, how can I identify, like, okay, it's, you know, seven in the morning, the guy that's driving, that guy is, like, the captain of his squad.

Speaker 2 What's that best position?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 7 probably a driver.

Speaker 7 The driver runs the show. He decides when we're taking break, if we're taking break, how long we can finish the route in, you know, and then, you know.

Speaker 7 He knows everyone on the route pretty much. He's talking to the, you call them customers, all the constituents.

Speaker 7 You know, I love seeing everyone in the street. So, pretty much the driver, because I'm a driver, I can see, I could,

Speaker 7 I'll say I'm the captain. If you ask my loader, my partner, he'll still say he's the captain, but I'd say, oh, the captain, the driver is always the captain.

Speaker 1 Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1 Do you guys look down on recycling men?

Speaker 7 No, not necessarily. That's actually a lot of work now these days, the recycling, because everyone is staying home and drinking their wine.
Everyone's staying at home drinking their brews.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so all the weights are going up

Speaker 7 with the pandemic. And I don't need to look down on them.
It's a lot of work. The recycling routes are actually longer than garbage routes.
Garbage routes are shorter.

Speaker 7 So the recycling guys are busting their ass as well. But it's tough all the way around.

Speaker 2 What can I do to be a better sanitation citizen as somebody who produces a lot of waste, whether it be in the kitchen, whether it be household items, things of that nature, what can I do to make your job easier?

Speaker 7 I say the lighter the bags, the better. If you have to go through four bags instead of two or three, I don't mind carrying the extra two bags.

Speaker 7 Just carrying that extra 20 pounds in the bag, it might rip in the street. I got to clean it up.
If I don't clean it up, then the phone calls come in.

Speaker 7 But I have to take care of my route, my section, my area. So I say the more bags, the better.
If I got to take an extra lap or two around the corner, that's not on me.

Speaker 1 Okay. Are there specific houses or buildings that you hate that you know, you're like, fuck these guys?

Speaker 1 They always fuck me over.

Speaker 7 Absolutely.

Speaker 7 I have a few on every route.

Speaker 7 You just got to smile and bite your tongue and just pick up their trash.

Speaker 2 Across the board, are there any certain types of buildings or types of industries that produce worse smelling trash than others, like a certain type of restaurant or a certain type type of apartment building set up or something like that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, there's a I have a few I have a few group homes and nursing homes on my routes. Those a lot of diapers, a lot of

Speaker 7 food scraps, and come to food scraps and diapers come the maggots and the maggots is a nightmare.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 7 I can smell a maggot two blocks away and then I know which bill or house it is. And it's usually one of those, a nursing home, group home type of thing like that.

Speaker 1 What's the biggest rat you've ever seen?

Speaker 7 Oh, I've seen rats as big as cats.

Speaker 7 The rats, I don't mind. Once I get to the raccoons and skunks, that's a different ballgame.

Speaker 1 Interesting.

Speaker 7 The rats have their own route going back to their crevice in the buildings or the people's houses. Raccoons and skunks are trying to protect their garbage.
And you know what? It's all yours.

Speaker 7 Enjoy yourself. I'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you'll stand down to a raccoon.

Speaker 7 Absolutely.

Speaker 2 That's interesting.

Speaker 2 We have an intern that he rehomed a raccoon. Would you, if you caught a raccoon, would you dispose of it or would you drive it 30 minutes out of your way and release it into a nice forest?

Speaker 7 I definitely toss him in the back.

Speaker 7 I'm a big fan of the raccoons and the scumps.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Billy didn't. Billy chose the other option on that one.
Yes.

Speaker 2 What are some physical attributes that you look for when you're evaluating who would be a good partner or who would be a good sanitation worker?

Speaker 7 What are some attributes that they're credited with?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Well, I do hear a lot of praise in the streets because I do work in the neighborhood that I was born, raised, and still live in. So I do try to keep it nice and clean on my route.

Speaker 7 I do hear a lot of thanks.

Speaker 7 A lot of people call my garage or call

Speaker 7 the sanitation department acknowledging us. And we are doing a great job.
So it's good. It means a lot.

Speaker 1 when you are busting your ass five six days a week for five to eight hours a day and people are acknowledging all the hard work that we do yeah uh oh quick overrated or underrated uh for two parts of the sanitation business overrated or underrated hanging on the back of the truck while the while the truck goes down the street oh that's underrated i used to love it

Speaker 7 our our union for safety reasons took off the back step on most of the trucks So that was maybe over 10 years ago. That's when I transferred into the driver's pool to become a driver.

Speaker 7 I mean, it was fun.

Speaker 7 Went 20, 25 miles an hour in the back. It was back when I had hair.
Hair was blowing in the wind.

Speaker 1 You can't beat it. All right.
And then overrated or underrated hitting the lever and watching all the trash get eaten up by the trash truck?

Speaker 7 It could be underrated too.

Speaker 7 I like when

Speaker 7 parents come up with their kids in the carriages, the watchers do it.

Speaker 7 It's fun to see all the faces or the expressions of the young kids that watch it. So if it's just me and my partner, I'll let him do it.
I'll walk to the front of the truck.

Speaker 7 But if there's kids there watching us, then I'll stay around and hang out and talk to the parents or the kids, just like conversate with them a little bit. It's fun to see that.

Speaker 2 Jumping back to Big Cat's question about the rats, is there a certain neighborhood or a certain borough of New York that's known for maybe having more aggressive or larger rats than the others?

Speaker 7 I mostly work in the Bronx, so and the Northwest Bronx, which is, I hate to say it's a cleaner garbage, but once you go a little south of where I am, forget about it, there's rats everywhere, almost

Speaker 7 flocks and flocks of rats. You pick up one bag of garbage, five rats scooting at a time into the back of the buildings or back of the houses, under the cars, pick up another bag, another five or six.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 I've experienced it before. I do see it once in a while now up here in

Speaker 7 North Riverdale in the Bronx, but it's not as bad as, say the south bronx or uh

Speaker 2 or like northern manhattan type of thing i like i like that we just gotta uh forget about it in the wild that was yeah that was a perfect forget about it too how many times

Speaker 2 yeah how many times you get in uh arguments with with with cars and like hey i'm like i'm trying to get around here and like you're honking and you're like i'm working here that kind of thing i used to when i first started years ago i used to get into with them now just i'm more mellow now i've been i've been doing it too long to argue with with the uh with the drivers i mean if you see a big white truck in the way would you follow it i mean on a one-way street or a narrow street just it's common sense if you see me down a street just please go the other way yeah yeah or sometimes just a taxi driver will just turn down a street behind you so they can keep the meter run and make a little extra coin oh yeah that's that's an oldest trick in the book uh you brought something up earlier and it made me think how you you know you work in a neighborhood that you grew up around i i have to imagine that a lot of people who work in your business do better work if they

Speaker 2 pick up trash in a neighborhood that means more to them, that they grew up in. Is that something that people look for when they're evaluating like who they should hire?

Speaker 2 It's like, oh, well, this guy lived in this neighborhood growing up, so he's going to take more pride in keeping it nice.

Speaker 7 Absolutely.

Speaker 7 I do take pride.

Speaker 7 There's only a few of us in my garage that work on neighborhoods, but you can tell you take pride.

Speaker 7 There's an old saying, when I came on, an old timer said, Well, you can't see it from my house. Well, if you leave garbage, well, actually, I can.

Speaker 7 That's why I take everything and make sure the whole neighborhood is clean because I do take it personal. I do love what I do.
It is my neighborhood. And if I don't do it, who will?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So I had one last question.
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Speaker 1 Have you ever had someone put a like gas canister or one of those little grill canisters and then have it blow up?

Speaker 7 Yeah, actually, I just read it happened this morning somewhere, but we do throw them in, but I make sure that

Speaker 7 our compactor is not as tight as it could this way that there's no pressure release for it or i do have to check the valves to make sure that we can throw it in but uh yeah i heard this morning that there's a big explosion because of a gas tank or like uh uh an air tank or i forget what it's called but exploded in a truck and it hurt one of our employees

Speaker 7 i do take precautions with it but there are some tanks that we are allowed to and there's some that that aren't but if it's all rusted out and i can't read if it is legal or not.

Speaker 7 So, I just throw everything out, and I hate to say, but I hope for the best.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. What about batteries? I've always heard that you shouldn't throw batteries away.
Is that true?

Speaker 7 The big car batteries, if you was the big acid,

Speaker 7 a few of our guys got hurt, a few got killed with the acid.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so I try to, we're supposed to put them in the side of the truck and dispose of them at the garage, and then a discussion truck takes it.

Speaker 7 But yeah, we put car batteries and stuff like that acid in the side of the truck, the few bins that we have room for, and then we just discharge of it at our local garages.

Speaker 2 I have one last question. It kind of dovetails on what Big Cap brought up earlier.
If you look down on recycling guys,

Speaker 2 is there a group of employees, maybe public sector employees that you do have a

Speaker 2 rivalry with, whether it's friendly, you know how like FDNY and NYPD, they all, you know, they have the basketball games and the football games against each other, things like that.

Speaker 2 Is there a group that you guys look at and you're like, those dudes are our rivals?

Speaker 7 No, not really.

Speaker 7 There's actually no rivals with the DSNY, I don't believe. I know

Speaker 7 everyone respects us to a degree.

Speaker 7 We respect the FDNY, we respect the NYPD, the MTA.

Speaker 7 There's really, like, our football team plays in the same league as them.

Speaker 7 I don't think we're as better as the cops in the firemen and athletics, but there's really no rivalry like the cops in the fireman.

Speaker 7 Where I work, we do share three blocks with the NTA. So it is annoying with all the traffic there.
That's the only thing I could see after the rivalry.

Speaker 7 We have 500 buses and 300 garbage trucks trying to pull out at the same time. And so that's the only problem I have with the NTA.
Other than I respect everybody that works in the city.

Speaker 2 I like that, though. I like that people give respect where respect is due to sanitation.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Well,

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Speaker 1 Yeah, Cougar, thank you so much. We appreciate it, man.
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Speaker 1 professionals out there in terms of sanitation business.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I appreciate you guys having me on. And yeah, like I said,

Speaker 7 you could just bust our ass out there, keep the city clean. And

Speaker 7 if we're in your way, we apologize. But there's other ways to go.

Speaker 2 all right there's other ways to go around us appreciate you guys having me on yeah yeah thank you very much for your time do you have any questions for for deon sanders we're about to interview him so maybe if you have a question we can just

Speaker 7 yeah i love prime time i prime time is my guy i was when he was on the yankees for that one year two years and he was the only guy who was faster than me back then and i was five nine three hundred pounds he's the only one that can beat me in a race there you go there you go all right well thanks so much man we appreciate it all right enjoy guys enjoy deon all right thank you see you have a good one

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Speaker 1 Okay, uh, we have a Monday reading that we're very excited for. Before we do that, um,

Speaker 1 Billy has been doing a great job. The rebuilding of Billy, uh, soy boy into a soy man.
So, he's been giving us a sheet before every single show that has the ten.

Speaker 1 He's been tasked with finding the ten biggest stories online. Now, this week, uh, he said to us, he said, there's really only six stories, and we said, well, Billy, you have to have ten.

Speaker 1 So I think what Billy did was he just went to Discovery Channel because stories. Well, yeah, that's exactly what he did.
Yeah, seven on, we'll read them out. Seven, Shark Week is happening August 9th.

Speaker 1 That's a story.

Speaker 1 Eight.

Speaker 2 Monkeys steal COVID-19 tests.

Speaker 1 Nine,

Speaker 1 I think eight was baby raptor fossil found in Alaska.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, he got a little fast and loose with the numbering here.

Speaker 1 Ten, Zoo Miami test gorilla for COVID.

Speaker 1 Oh, Oh, and then he did the Carol Bass.

Speaker 2 And then he did slim pickings for Monkey Temple residents as COVID-19 hits towards him. So that's exactly what Billy did.
He rounded it out with headlines from the Discovery Channel.

Speaker 2 There were only six articles that were posted on the internet today.

Speaker 1 All the internet. Half of our sheet is just monkeys and testing positive for COVID.

Speaker 2 So here's a

Speaker 2 nice story that was number four on the list. Elon Musk denies allegation he had a three-way with Amber Heard and Kiera Dela Vignette.
That's just like, no one actually accused Elon Musk of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm going to deny I had one.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I would like to go on the record and say that I did not sleep with Wonder Woman. What's your name?

Speaker 1 Gal Gado. Galgadot.

Speaker 2 I did not, despite all the rumors to the contrary, I did not have a dirty, kinky three-way with Gal Godot and Cardi B.

Speaker 1 Also, the lightning struck the Statue of Liberty at number five. Wasn't that like Wednesday last week?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was, I want to say Thursday night, maybe.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck. Good job, Billy.
All right, let's get to our Monday reading.

Speaker 2 Although I did, I loved Rob Manford when he was

Speaker 2 doing his speech on Thursday night. They were interviewing him for the Nats

Speaker 2 Yankees game on Thursday night, and he was just talking about what a great job they've done for player safety.

Speaker 2 And meanwhile, in the background, just like lightning is striking on every single side of him.

Speaker 2 He's like, you know, we're taking into account everything that we can to keep these guys safe and on the field. And then, boom, like the U.S.
Capitol explodes in the background.

Speaker 1 So, so perfect. All right, our Monday reading, it's rare because I don't think we've had any

Speaker 1 sequels. So, if you remember, we did it probably, I don't know, a few months ago.
It was the story of a girlfriend writing in and saying, I love my boyfriend.

Speaker 1 We've been together for, you know, many years,

Speaker 1 but we go to Waffle House and every time he goes, he gets in a fight with the cook, the same cook.

Speaker 1 And he, and she basically said, I can't go there with him anymore, but I know he still is going there. He's ordering his eggs.
The cook messes him up, and then they fist fight.

Speaker 1 And they've been doing it every single, like every other week for months it's just important to have a rival in this world yeah i don't really see anything that weird about but if this guy feels the need to defend himself then go off yeah so um we have the boyfriend's side which is electric so he i someone someone tagged me in this it was posted on facebook um

Speaker 1 so it starts with uh so my girlfriend has an issue with the fact that i don't get along with the cook at our local waffle house Apparently, she had such a problem with this that she posted about it here and it blew it up.

Speaker 1 It blew up, but it's been removed. I'm not familiar with this sub, so this actually was on Reddit, so I don't know the rules for posting and whatnot, so I don't know why it was taken down.

Speaker 1 Regardless, I think my side of the story should be explained. Agreed.

Speaker 1 My girlfriend and I have been together about three years, met in grad school, graduated, moved in together in a decent financial situation.

Speaker 1 We both work full-time, trying to get a head start on our college debts. Yada, yada, yada, clicked.

Speaker 1 This is backstory. We don't really need one of the things I love is eating.
I'm not overweight or anything, and I go to the gym and watch my intake, but come on, eating is just so nice. Okay?

Speaker 1 I totally agree, dude. I particularly love breakfast food.
My mom would always make eggs and pancakes and stuff like that for me when dad wasn't around. Their marriage wasn't amazing.

Speaker 1 While I certainly wasn't abused or neglected, there was a noticeable lack of being comfortable and at ease whenever dad was around.

Speaker 2 It's interesting that, like, it was a treat to be able to eat breakfast. Right.
Dad didn't like me eating breakfast.

Speaker 1 Right, so there's something deep here. So, on top of all this, for a while in middle school and into high school, this punk kid started bullying me.
We'll call him Aaron.

Speaker 1 I've never been super confrontational. I like to just mind my own business and do my thing.
I was a band kid, played trumpet.

Speaker 1 Aaron would do a lot of the small things to annoy me, and when I showed frustration, he would laugh and get others to laugh.

Speaker 1 His favorite thing to do was steal my trumpet and stick trash in it like watted up paper of food and make a spectacle of me when I'd be in the hall during passing period before band trying to clean it out.

Speaker 2 This honestly sounds like something that Billy would do.

Speaker 1 Yes, absolutely. I guess there's something hilarious about a skinny kid with acne and a cheap haircut not being happy.

Speaker 1 I had friends in school, but I was never socially high-ranking, probably because I didn't learn to be assertive and confident until I was in college.

Speaker 1 As a result, school was always something to be endured rather than enjoyed.

Speaker 1 When Aaron dropped out of my sophomore year, things got a little better, but my social position was already cemented in place. This kind of sounds sad.

Speaker 1 So when I'd come home after a long day of putting up with shit, Dad

Speaker 1 would never, hold on, I gotta find where this picks up. Dad would never express being happy to see me or

Speaker 1 make himself available to talk. If I tried, he would just passively say something about me needing to learn not to care or something.
He was never a comfort.

Speaker 1 So when he was gone, it was just me and mom at home, only child, I really felt safe and relaxed, and she would make me delicious breakfast-style food.

Speaker 1 Dad didn't care for it, though, so if she made any when he was home, he would make his opinion about it known. So there, he loves breakfast is his safe space.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes. And also, it sounds like what the dad's doing is the dad was trying to keep his son as a beta as he was growing up.

Speaker 2 He's like, I can't feed my kid protein in the morning because he'll get bigger than me. That's a very common dad thing.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 I think it made my mom happy to see me appreciate her in a way my dad never did. The point is, when she made this food, there was nothing but happiness, appreciation, and love to share between us.

Speaker 1 So I love breakfast food and always will. In my girlfriend and I'm budget, we have a room to go out and eat fairly often, like a couple times a week.

Speaker 1 I love going to breakfast places like Denny's, Dunkin' Donuts, and Waffle House. So we go to those once every week or two.
She's got a small stomach that doesn't handle it.

Speaker 2 Can I throw a flag real quick?

Speaker 2 Denny's doesn't need to be included in that triumvirate. No, you're talking about the best breakfast places.
You don't put Denny's in the rarefied air that Waffle House is in.

Speaker 1 Also, Dunkin' Donuts seems like

Speaker 1 budgeting for

Speaker 1 Dunkin Donuts, I feel you'd be hard-pressed to spend more than like $6.

Speaker 2 I think their most expensive value meal is like $4.99. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Delicious, but yeah, it would be hard to be like Brewster's Millions and spend $20 at Dunkin' Donuts.

Speaker 2 Just get out of here with the Denny's talk. You got to include IHOP.
You got to include Waffle House.

Speaker 2 How How about a diner? Maybe, yeah, maybe a diner, maybe a Bob Evans even. They're breakfast bowls that are like 2,200 calories each.

Speaker 1 Delicious.

Speaker 1 All right. So she's got a small stomach that doesn't handle a lot of grease and fat well, but she likes to have coffee and read or work while I demolish a plate of food.
I like this guy.

Speaker 1 He just fucking loves breakfast.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and also he just like slid in just under the radar. By the way, my girlfriend gets diarrhea a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. We were out running errands a couple months ago on a Saturday.
I was craving some breakfast for lunch, and there was a waffle house a block away, so we headed there.

Speaker 1 We sat down to order, and when the waitress went back behind the counter I thought I recognized the cook I shouldn't have start I've stared because he turned around and we briefly made eye contact it was Aaron yep

Speaker 1 I hadn't seen him in nearly 10 years he did not age well and it was obvious he hadn't made much of his life he looked surprised but turned back around and kept working Now, I like my eggs a little runny.

Speaker 1 Some people think it's gross, but some people don't need to express their opinions. He likes to yeah

Speaker 1 he likes hey why don't you shut the fuck up i like my eggs medium rare plus yeah um i ordered fried eggs a little runny i also kept exchanging glances with aaron and saw him realize how much more successful i had become than him uh you're listening we're all in a waffle house you cannot make a distinction between waffle house employee and waffle house customer once you enter that square building with the yellow roof we're all the same under god's eyes okay i love it you're not you're not any better than a waffle house cook i love it uh and my satisfaction must have shown on my face was he wearing a fucking tuxedo or something uh he narrowed his eyes a little and turned back to his skillet in a frustrated way he's got like a macbook pro and like a white face and he's all dressed up reading some court briefs or something what could aaron have possibly read on this kid to be like he really made it in life yeah um my girlfriend was completely oblivious browsing stuff on her phone.

Speaker 1 Our food was served. My eggs were hard.
I told the waitress that I'd ordered runny eggs, so she took the plate back.

Speaker 1 I normally just roll with it when stuff like this happens, but I was really looking forward to runny eggs this day. Girlfriend gave me a weird look about it.

Speaker 1 When the plate came back, my eggs were scrambled. What the fuck? I again said, This is not what I ordered.
So the waitress took my plate back again. Now, I was pretty busy in the restaurant.

Speaker 1 Had we had the same waitresses, she probably would have noticed and said something to Aaron, but she was busy across the cafeteria. So a young waiter came back to our table with my eggs.

Speaker 1 There were two hard-boiled eggs on my plate.

Speaker 1 I was tired of this, so I just ate them. Girlfriend was laughing, but I was pissed.

Speaker 1 Aaron gave me a sly grin as we left. I was going to tell my girlfriend about it all, but I forgot about it until the next weekend.

Speaker 1 We were shopping in the morning, and I remembered how Aaron ruined my Saturday. Now, I like to forgive and let stuff go, but breakfast food is special to me.

Speaker 1 Don't screw with that. I fucking love this guy.

Speaker 2 Every man has a line.

Speaker 2 You have to have a code, and this guy's his happy place is just eating a delicious plate of eggs.

Speaker 1 I fucking love this guy. All right, so girlfriend wanted to go anywhere else, but we were going back, and I was going to get my damn runny eggs.

Speaker 1 Get a Clint Eastwood fucking movie. I'm back for my eggs.

Speaker 1 We got there, and Aaron looked up and saw us. I ordered my eggs runny.
But Aaron cut the yolks and cooked them into the whites hard.

Speaker 1 So I asked what his problem was, and then I just wanted to eat my runny eggs and leave it at that. It was later in the day and past the rush, so there weren't many people there.

Speaker 1 When I got my plate back, he had my eggs in a nest.

Speaker 1 Dude, Aaron's a bully, but he's fucking funny. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 2 you can say that Aaron hasn't done much with his life, but the practical jokes have progressed so much since he was in high school. He's done a lot.
He used to just like shove trash into your trumpet.

Speaker 2 Now he's like going out and procuring nests so that he can make an elaborate practical joke on you.

Speaker 1 Good for him. Fucking eggs and toast.
I love breakfast food, but I hate the taste and feel of eggs and toast together.

Speaker 1 That is very particular.

Speaker 1 I was pissed, and this is Waffle House, so I threw it at him. I love that he acknowledged.
He's like, listen, any other place, I would have just ate him. This is Waffle House.
I can throw shit.

Speaker 2 Well, in a Waffle House, you are one with a cook. You're sitting right next to the kitchen.
There's no barrier whatsoever.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He picked it up and threw it back at me as he came around the counter. As I stood up, he started to come at me and we got into a mini brawl.

Speaker 1 I was never that good at fighting wrestling, but I'm great at being pissed and Aaron brought it out. After a moment, I realized this was stupid, so I said this was bullshit and we left.

Speaker 1 I was not going to let Aaron have the victory here. So the next weekend, we went again.
Girlfriend was pretty apprehensive, but I was going to talk to Aaron about it. But then I ordered my eggs.

Speaker 1 He scrambled them and put hash browns in them. So I stood up and kind of loudly said, seriously, and held up the plate.
He laughed and flicked hash browns at me with his patch

Speaker 1 with the same look as when he shot Spitwads at me in middle school. I slung my eggs and browns off my plate back at him.
Girlfriend was like, stop, this is so stupid.

Speaker 1 But Aaron was already coming at me. We had a brawl, but he's bigger and I couldn't grip him with the layers of waffle house grime and eggs that were all over him.

Speaker 2 Here we go again

Speaker 2 with the elitism dripping off this guy.

Speaker 1 So I slipped out because I'm scrappy like that and we left. Girlfriend told me she won't come with me to that waffle house again.
I also was not going to let Aaron win.

Speaker 2 This guy's just, is he addicted to getting his ass kicked?

Speaker 1 No, I fucking love this guy. He is such a hero.
He was going to make the runny eggs like I wanted. I tried to explain everything to my girlfriend, but I was too pissed to think clearly.

Speaker 1 I went back and ordered a loan. And I guess Aaron, seeing me without my girlfriend, thought he was successfully causing problems between me and her.

Speaker 1 He's right.

Speaker 2 He's absolutely right. I would say that Aaron Aaron is really causing all the problems here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. It's a good point.
As a result, he doubled down. That time, he didn't even make eggs.
He sent me pancakes.

Speaker 1 But it's a matter of principle. I have to stand beside the fights I choose.
And for better or worse, I chose this one.

Speaker 1 Because of this, I went back on a weekly basis till the shutdown, and I've tried to get the manager to come put him in his place.

Speaker 1 But the manager there doesn't care, and it doesn't even bother Aaron to clean the mess up when I leave. Dude, do you ever heard the saying, Don't get in a fight with a guy who has nothing to lose?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what you're doing here, buddy. Aaron's got nothing to lose.

Speaker 2 If you get into an argument with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Speaker 1 Aaron's got you. Now, I know this seems like just a rant, and it kind of is, but I'm posting this because my girlfriend really isn't responding well to this at all.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Yes, she took to Reddit and wrote like an expose about your relationship.

Speaker 1 I have have a fucking standing MMA fight with the fucking cook at Waffle House.

Speaker 2 We're going to start a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu gym. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're getting married and moving to a new city this summer, but I'm probably going to go back and let Aaron see my wedding ring so he knows he really accomplished nothing in causing me and my girlfriend to have problems.

Speaker 1 That'll show him.

Speaker 2 That's really healthy.

Speaker 1 However, my girlfriend disagrees with my philosophy of choosing my fights and sticking to them.

Speaker 1 Like I said, I'm usually willing to compromise on things and not make them a fight, but everyone got their things they defend.

Speaker 1 For me, it's not about the food, but about not understanding to the force that I let push me down for so long. I don't think she realizes how much this means to me.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I should give in to her and stop going back, or if I should stand firm in my decision. What should I do?

Speaker 2 Well, I think this guy actually likes being in this fight.

Speaker 2 He likes knowing that he's in the process of standing up for himself and doing something that his old self wouldn't do.

Speaker 2 So the second he goes back to the waffle house and they serve him the eggs that he wants, I think he's he's going to be a lost soul.

Speaker 2 He's dog chasing the car. He's going to miss having that fight.
He's going to

Speaker 1 have that rival. Yeah, so I obviously I'm very much on this guy's side.
I want him to win. I think he needs to start thinking a lot smarter, though.

Speaker 1 He needs to do like some kind of home alone trap on Aaron. You know what I mean? Like you're not going to beat him up.

Speaker 1 You're not going to unless you start doing steroids, Billy, hit him up. But like some kind of banana peel or embarrassing situation you can get this guy in.
You have to think smart.

Speaker 1 You have to like get this guy to be laughed at by everyone at Waffle House and that's your big thing.

Speaker 2 You find out what kind of car he drives and then you fill up his car with eggs.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like if he drives a pickup truck, just crack a million eggs into the bed of the pickup truck.
That's what you should.

Speaker 1 You could also just bring some eggs when he said when he sends you like pancakes, start just whipping eggs right at his face.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Just like find him on a day when his window is just like barely cracked down.
Yeah. And just slide a shitload of fried eggs into his car and then just wait.
It's kind of Monte Cristo stuff.

Speaker 2 You have to be patient with these things. Or you can mess with the supply chain and slip, like, I don't know,

Speaker 2 like pepper spray or some sort of sneezing powder or like a firecracker into an egg that he'll eventually crack open in the kitchen when he's doing his cooking and then he's embarrassed at work. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't know. But

Speaker 2 you're not going to beat him on his home turf. No.
You have to find a sneaky way to do this.

Speaker 1 Yes. I just love this rivalry so goddamn much.
So goddamn much. What do you think, Billy? Billy, you've.

Speaker 1 Billy's taken off his shirt and now he's just wearing an Atlas jersey.

Speaker 2 So I think Aaron's actually, in this guy's mind, the real winner because he gets to eat breakfast food all day. So he's actually jealous of Aaron behind the counter.

Speaker 1 Oh, it might be like a bad thing.

Speaker 2 That's why he's so angry.

Speaker 1 Aaron's got his dream job. Yeah, because he's like, I've gone in all these colleges and stuff, and I'm so angry.
And this guy, my enemy's out here eating breakfast food all day. It's true.
He's like,

Speaker 1 to this guy, Aaron is basically like working at like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory. Yeah.
Breakfast everywhere.

Speaker 2 Or the person who was like, my cousin works at Nintendo.

Speaker 2 All they do is play video games all day. To him, it's like, yeah, you can go into work and you just eat eggs all day and then you go home and you get paid.

Speaker 1 And the last thing I would say is you need to stop the gripe for right now, work your ass off, buy the Waffle House.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And promote him.

Speaker 2 Being manager of the Waffle House.

Speaker 1 Give him $100,000 salary, but he loses everything, his entire life, $100,000 salary, the minute he cooks eggs incorrectly. So every day is the most intense day of his life cooking eggs.

Speaker 2 You can do that or promote him to that level and then just pay him for the rest of his life and he'll be your friend. Yes.
Don't get mad at you.

Speaker 1 That would be cool as well.

Speaker 2 Or just you pin a tax scheme on him. You embezzle money through the waffle house and you leave a paper trail that implicates him as a manager.
He goes to jail for 50 years. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You get a shitload of money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like it. So we've given you a lot.
Hopefully you're a listener.

Speaker 1 Great fucking story. I do enjoy it.
And now you know we need Aaron's side.

Speaker 2 Yes, we absolutely need to.

Speaker 1 We need Aaron's side.

Speaker 2 It's not only that we got the other side. I thought that we were going to hear from the cook on all this.

Speaker 1 We need Aaron's side.

Speaker 2 But that's got to be like one of the best times of his week when this guy comes into the waffle house and orders the eggs. He gets a creative outlet for his work.

Speaker 2 He gets to kind of tap back into his glory days in high school.

Speaker 2 He can still bully a nerd.

Speaker 2 There's something very sad, but also like very beautiful about a bully from high school, like a jock, being so committed to how he was a jock in high school that he still acts like that into his 30s.

Speaker 1 Right, right. Oh, God.
Fantastic.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 That's our show. Grit week.
Get excited. Wednesday, we're going to have the live stream for 24 hours starting at noon.
And we also have some great guests. So get excited.

Speaker 2 Stay excited.

Speaker 2 If we have any doctors out there, real doctors, not the Washington football team doctors, that can advise me as to whether or not I'm putting my health in jeopardy drinking 24 beers a day.

Speaker 1 I think I am with 24 hot dogs.

Speaker 2 I think I'm good because I'm never going to get drunk, right? I'm just going to maintain

Speaker 2 because your body exercises out one beer per hour.

Speaker 1 0.02 BAC for 24 hours.

Speaker 2 Just maintain it at 0.02.

Speaker 1 So a little less than a buzz. All right.
That is our show. Bill, you have your

Speaker 1 send-off? Love you guys.

Speaker 1 I'm talking away.

Speaker 1 I'm the one to say I'll take it anyway.

Speaker 1 Today is a lot of the body.

Speaker 1 I won't say it.

Speaker 1 But be so a little way.

Speaker 1 Slowly learning if life is okay.

Speaker 1 drink on me. I love everything.