Judd Apatow, Kentucky Sports Radio, And Lance Armstrong Documentary

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Interview with Judd Apatow.

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And we also have the best of Kentucky Sports Radio.

We love hosting every single year. Had some great calls this year.
Hall of Fame call from Dilbert. You gotta listen to it.
My main man, Dil. The Dilbert is...
I saw... I was tagged on a tweet.
Someone said that Dilbert called in to Kentucky Sports Radio and said he's gonna have to leave for a while. He's not going to jail.
Just wants that clear. But he's gonna have to leave for a while.
I love that. Sounds like jail.
You don't hear too many stories about guys just need to lay low for a while anymore. Just telling someone like, hey, man, I'm not going to talk to you for a while, and I know what you're thinking.
Jail. But that's not it.
Laying low. All right, so we have that.
We have our Lance Armstrong documentary review. What an asshole.
And we have Fyre Fest of what what hank what it's a good that's a good intro to the review what an asshole well asshole asterisk yeah yeah he's kind of he's an asshole but and then you can say he's a really talented human being but but a lot of butts all right ever had one of those days when it's just too cold to keep working nah neither has ariot ariot work jackets and boots are packed with all the cold stopping waterproof protection you need to get the job done under any conditions so you can take any job out there and always deliver check out ariot in your local workwear retailer or visit ariot.com work to 10% off your first order when you sign up for email

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Today is Friday, June 12th. And what are we doing here, guys? I feel like we're just in a weird waiting pattern.
It feels like another Friday the 13th right now. I was shocked when it wasn't the 13th this morning.
We're in a waiting pattern. We are, but we're excited now.
Golf is back. Golf came back today.
Brooks looks awesome. Brooks was out there in a tight shirt, mustache.
How did he do? He was okay. He's like, I think, five, six strokes back, something like that.
I was talking to Brooks. His shoes were awesome.
We're trying to get him on before the Blake of the Year. And I was like, you know, we're going to do Blake of the Year soon.
And he's like, fuck, man, I got to fucking play golf. I love it love any he was cussing on the on the open mic today yeah he was like nice fucking shot he looks so good though that mustache i hope he doesn't shave it because he is one of those guys that if he committed to the mustache life he could be a mustache guy forever instead he's probably gonna he's probably gonna shave it in like a week or two sounds like you're trying to get someone else on board board.
Well, he looks good. He does.
The mustache works on him. People try it out.
On the scale of you to Billy. Billy looks terrible.
No, it's coming in. This is quarantine stache.
It's coming in. Yeah, it's a playoff beard for not having playoffs.
The blonde stache is just not a look that people... I mean, Larry Bird kind of retired that.
He kind of looks like Larry Bird. I'm cosplaying.
Okay, he's cosplaying. Yeah, but no, Brooks looks awesome.
I really do hope... Please keep the stash, Brooks.
I hope he does, too. I could also see a world where Bryson DeChambeau shows up with a stash next week.
Because he's just copying everything. He's jacked, right? He's copying everything that Brooks does.
What? He put up an instagram video about what he did during quarantine it's like 15 minutes long he doesn't speak a single word you it's just a highlight video yes it's got music and it's got it's like a visual story it's it is antonio brown's video editor is now working for Bryson Duchambeau.

Bryson DeChimpanzee.

Ugh, gross.

Yeah, he's trying to do everything that Brooks already made cool about golf,

which is getting jacked up.

But you're not jacked.

I guarantee you Bryson's muscles are like,

hey, I'm way too cool to be hanging out with a guy named Bryson.

Ugh, gross.

All right, so yeah, Brooks is back. He's minus two, tied for 39th.
15 minutes. I root for two golfers.
15 minutes? 15 minutes long? Brooks Koepka. And the course? And then, well, three golfers.
Brooks Koepka, the course, and then for a swarm of bees to attack Bryson DeChambeau. And Phil, when he's in the state of New York, it was like, Yeah, that's pretty bad too um it was weird with no no fans though like they all the golfers thought that they were being the first person to like uh hold the ball up after they made a long putt and like salute the fake fans that weren't there they thought that was a big funny thing I I actually thought that it was completely normal and the fact that I just didn't watch because it was golf on a Thursday well they got me good me.
Good job, NBC Gold, making me buy because I didn't want to watch the Darren Revelle simulcast. They actually, that's a great.
You didn't watch it? I thought you had to. No, I didn't watch it.
I watched the NBC Gold one. I thought you had to go for.
I paid extra money to opt out of Darren Revelle. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, that doesn't work. The was at ping pong, right? Nobody reminded me of this bet.
What bet? The bet. That's how you got alerted that it was happening.
Yeah. Jake was like, Jake said that you guys should bet on this, and then you bet on it, and you lost in ping pong.
Oh, I didn't remember betting on it. When did I bet on it? On the text.
I don't think I ever bet on it. I don't think I ever bet on it.
I guess we didn't do like a handshake. But how do you think you didn't find out about it, Jake? Yeah, I know Jake texted it because he was like, this is relevant to your guys' interests.
Seems like you have to watch it. You have to watch it back.
It gave me a great idea, though, that the NFL or really any other sports league could use, which is just basically say that Darren Revell – no, don't even say Darren Revell is announcing something. Just give me a Darren Revell free option, and I'll pay extra for that.
Even if he wasn't going to be on the original cast. They could be like, hey, extra $10 a week to watch Sunday Night Football with no Darren Revelle on it.
I'd be like, yeah, just to be safe. To make sure that he doesn't show up.
Absolutely. If every single person on planet Earth died right before the game and they needed one announcer and Darren Rovell is the last person there.

They still wouldn't let him.

They,

they would not let him set foot on there,

but I caved like a bitch to NBC gold.

I was like,

yeah,

absolutely.

Here's,

here's my $9.

Not a footy fan.

I've had NBC gold for years.

Gotta be.

Yeah.

Gotta.

I,

yeah.

You know what?

I actually did.

I did have NBC gold.

Now that I think about it,

I didn't have the PGA live,

which is an extra add on. That's a convenient.
That's a convenient excuse for not being a footy fan. Come on.
EPL's coming back, actually. Wait, when is EPL? MLS is coming back, too.
Rivalry week. Who cares? It's six weeks of rivalry week.
That Galaxy guy who got fired or he got released. Neil deGrasse Tyson? No, no, no.
Ibrahimovic. No, the LA Galaxy player got cut because his wife said racist things.
Oh, yeah. I stared at that story for like two minutes, and I couldn't even muster a feeling because I was like, I don't know.
I don't fucking, who is this guy? I don't know. Yeah, to me it felt like it was a player who was probably going to get cut anyways.
And they're like, we're going to make a big deal out of this because we can also get a pat on the back. Like, sometimes you'll say, oh, I don't care, but you obviously care underneath.
I truly, I couldn't, I did some soul searching. I was like, what feelings are you going through right now? And they were none.
Yeah, backup midfielders. Not even wife, right? It was like backup midfielders.
I think it was wife. A wife, okay.
It was just like, I can't. I don't have a take.
I don't know. I have no feeling.
I couldn't muster. But shout out to Adam Schefter for addressing another controversy in the NFL today.
So the NFL announced that they were going to pay $250 million towards combating social justice over the course of the next 10 years. Now, if you're a cynic, you might say, oh, that's $10 million less per year than what Roger Goodell makes, personally.
But if you're Adam Schefter, you've got to spin it a little bit. It was a great spin.
Jerry, that water. He goes, this should put down all the naysayers that don't think that the NFL is in this for the long term.
Mission accomplished. they're spreading it out over the course of 10 years, not because it's easier to pay, but rather because they want to show that they're invested in the long term.
The Mets are invested in Bobby Bonilla for the long term. That's why they signed a 30-year contract.
Verbal meme, it's Roger Goodell, and it's, we got him, and then in parentheses, racism. We got him.
Racism. Got him.
Got his ass. And then it's Adam Schefter quote tweeting that and saying this is powerful.
Yeah, this means something from the top of the pyramid chain. I miss that.
I also, the one thing I did see about the NFL is that the NFL is allowing them to protest.

So is the protest now to not protest? Well, I thought you can't protest. Like if someone says, hey, go ahead and protest.
It's not a protest. That's not a protest.
You have to now stand for the National Anthem to protest the ability. Be like, no, you don't tell me what to do.
I'm going to do the opposite. Right.
Like if there was the KKK lining up to also join the protest movement,

then you're like, I can't be on that side.

Right.

They've ruined the pro like the NFL.

That's not what a protest is when you're like, hey, guys,

you're allowed to do this.

Yes.

And I'm not saying that the NFL is a KKK.

Obviously, I'm just saying I agree with you.

I said, fuck, I said what I said.

No backsies.

Yeah, absolutely.

No back.

It's like when Jerry Jones took a knee. Remember that? People forget about Jerry Jones taking a knee during the National Anthem back in 2016 or 2017.
That was so hilarious. When he's looking at the camera, he actually thought in that moment, like, I just, I did it.
Solved it. Solved racism.
It's over. Ray Lewis's knee still was the best.
The double knee. Yeah.
I thought he was going to pass out because he was so drunk. He took one knee for the cause and then one knee for Jesus, right? That's what I said? Right.
And he looked so sweaty and hungover. That feels like a fever dream to me.
The Ray Lewis, Jerry Jones taking a knee weekend. Oh, my God.
And Jerry, when he took his knee, the fucking sky cam was coming over him. And he timed it so that he looked up.
He winked. He winked, and there was like a little sparkle that shone on one of his teeth.
Yes. Like, there he is, Jerry Jones, taking a knee.
The only other news I had, well, there's two other pieces. Rob Manfred just lied to America during the MLB draft and was like, I'm pretty sure the players are going to come off of their, we want our salary stance.
And that was totally to appease everyone. Clearly not going to happen.
Well, he said like 100% playing baseball. Yeah.
He basically was like, hey, the draft is happening right now, and this is probably the first time anyone's actually watched the MLB draft. So we have to say all the right things, even if we don't mean them.
Well, it's also a classic case of somebody just saying something that they hope will come true right and we'll work back from that like i know that we want to have a season so i'm going to say we have a season therefore it sets the expectation that we're going to get there we're all invested in getting there i'm surprised they didn't have like some some kid like pulling a birthday cake as he blows out the candles away from him after that like we're gonna have a to have a season. Yeah.
It's kids slowly bending over over the course of the next, like, three months to pick up a lacrosse stick. Yeah.
It's like, you can stop this at any time. Yeah, it's the Neanderthals becoming humans.
They're slowly becoming lacrosse players. And the other thing was Paul Feinbaum has run out of takes, so his take now is that Nick Saban is running out of like like we all like he's on the downside of his coaching career well he's 69 um and he's gonna be he's gonna be 69 this year so he's like yeah he's too old okay so he's got the clock on nick saban despite the fact that alabama has been pretty good the last three years uh yeah well then alabama hasn't won a title since 2017, Paul.
Does Paul. He's also 64.
What? Paul Feinbaum's not a genius. Is Paul Feinbaum starting to lose it? Is the clock ticking on him? He's probably losing it, and he's like, well, Saban, if I'm 64 and I'm losing it, Saban's got to be.
The Paul McCartney song made 64 like the last cool age to be. Because everyone's like, oh, when I'm 64.
And they do that whole thing. So he probably still thinks he's young.
He's going to have a rude awakening next year. Also, it's good to just have somebody that's in the same profession of you who's five years older.
That way you can never be the old guy. Right.
And so he's pointing at Nick and being like, I'm not old. This guy's old.
Right. So Nick is turning 69 and he's on the downside of his career.
The clock's running out. Hasn't won a national title since 2017.
In almost three years. Almost three years.
At this point. Fuck it.
I like it. I'm on board for that.
Let's get the takes going. It's truly a I ran out of takes, so here it is.
Let's test. Let's dip our toes in the water.
Guess what? Water feels fine. Yeah, it feels great.
Get a hop on in. All right, let's do our fire fest.
Should we start with Billy? Dementia ain't played nobody, pal. Yeah, go ahead, Billy.
So I was driving into the city to get to work. So Billy's fire fest, for people who are listening, is just whatever happened most recently before he came to the office.
No, actually, this happened last time I was here. It happens every time you come here.
So I had to pee because I was hydrating all the way here and I was stuck in traffic. You drank water and you didn't pee before you left your house.
So they shut down a street on the way, like on 30th by the office. The police shut it down for obvious reasons.
So there was this huge traffic jam and I was like – What reasons are the obvious ones? I don't know. They're just shutting everything down around here.
So then I was like, I need to pee. Like I'm going to piss in my car if I don't pee.
So like during the traffic jam, I opened the door the door and, like, grabbed the Gatorade bottle and I was, like, between the door. 32 ounce or 24? It was a 32.
Wide, wide... Wide mouth? Wide mouth.
Okay. I think they're all the same size mouth, but still.
So, I was sort of one foot on the asphalt, one foot in the car, looking like I was looking forward

at something, but using it

to pee into the bottle. Okay, Billy, I got

a dumb question. Why did

you open up the door before you started

peeing? Because I couldn't pee sitting down.

Where's the fire fest?

So then this lady was walking by

and goes, what are you looking at?

So this part's made up.

No.

I was like, what do you mean you can't pee sitting down? You're in a car. I'm in a car.
He's too alpha. How are you not sitting down in a car? How are you supposed to pee in a car? I just couldn't pee by the time I...
I peed in the bottle and then someone was talking to me while I was peeing in the bottle. Inside or outside of the car? Outside of the car.
Oh, okay. All right, I'll go next.
My Fyre Fest is listening to that fucking story. That was pretty bad, Billy.
Jesus Christ. I'm also moving, but it was that...
Actually, I'm looking forward to my move tomorrow because I had to listen to that story, and I want to get out of this room. It's also more of a chore than it is a Fyre Fest.
Yeah. Obviously, Billy, that's the most classic lie that you could possibly tell.
I didn't lie. When story that's not going anywhere and then somebody asks you what else happened and then this chick was there and then tenzo washington was walking down she was like what's up billy i was like looking like talking to mike billy yeah all right hank what's your fire fest that really was my fire fest was listening to that uh my fire fest is kind of just like a vacation hangover, basically.
But my girlfriend, no.

Well, you guys can, I think, relate to this in some way, shape, or form.

My girlfriend's still on vacation.

She also went before I did.

And I was like, oh, I'll clean the apartment before I go.

And then it'll be clean when you're back.

Obviously, I put off cleaning before I went until this week. And then this week, I've put off cleaning until now.

And now I'm like, fuck, I have to do so much cleaning, so much laundry, and I've had like three weeks, and I just waited until the last day. Question, and I would like your 100% honesty on this.
Yes. Have you, at any point in these, the week before, the week after, done any light, subtle, or whatever shaming of Rhea for being on vacation? No.
No. None? Absolutely none.
Zero. Zero? You haven't been like, when are you getting back? Yeah, be like, oh, seems nice.
Yeah, I'm like, it looks awesome. I'm happy you're there.
Like, you don't have. Wait, say that again.
It looks awesome. I'm happy you're there.
That's sarcastic. Uh-huh.
Yep. I knew it.
It looks awesome. I knew it.
Ain't no fun when the rabbit's got the gun. I, trust me, Big Cat, Big Cat, I will never shame anyone for vacation ever.
But that's such a classic dad move. Take your kids.
Your mom goes out of town for the weekend or she goes on a trip or something, and then the dad's like, okay, we got 30 minutes until mom gets home. We all need to pull together and clean this mess up.
So you're going to – when's she coming back? Tomorrow morning, I think. You think? You better find out.

Dude, she's going to call you when she's a block away.

And you'll be like, get rid of the cake.

Yeah.

Risky business.

You probably just have a bunch of pizza boxes.

And laundry.

And laundry.

And actually cardboard boxes.

There's a lot of shit.

It's gross.

Laundry's pretty easy to just lie and get your way out of. Be like, oh, yeah, for some reason they haven't called me back.
So the cleaners have had it for five days. Yeah.
Or just start the load. Just put it in there.
And just be like, oh, shit, I forgot to turn it on. PFT, your Firefest.
My Firefest. It's actually more of a shout-out to the big J's out there that are covering the NBA.
It's really their Firefest, but it is an actual Firefest. So the NBA is obviously going to be doing their playoffs down in Orlando, Florida, as well as the losers bracket for all the teams that didn't make the playoffs.
And they've agreed to host some journalists down there under the condition that they stay themselves quarantined in the same rooms, same type of hotels that the players are. They're not allowed to leave and come back.
So we're going to get a bunch of journalists down there reporting on Orlando, Florida, like it's the Social Olympics with wolves roaming through the hallways. And like every single minor thing that's bad about their hotel room.
Like, oh, there was a spider in my bathtub. Every podcast is, I haven't seen my kids in a month.
Exactly. But I mean, to be honest with you, being stuck inlando sounds pretty sweet uh point of order july and august in orlando sounds horrendous very very humid oh my god it's a swamp they built a fucking city on a swamp and then put a put a fucking big golf ball in there uh yeah you got epcot though yeah you got disney world that's what i'm talking about yeah you have you have the character breakfast you can go to every day goofy's hanging out down there i'm also uh a kid that never went to Disney World.
So I think there's two camps. Like, if you never went to Disney World as a kid, you just have no feelings for it.
And then if you did, you're like, oh, my God, Disney World's the best. You know what they should do? They should just send.
We're like, fuck that. We're not going to.
We're not spending our vacation at a theme park. They should send the reporters kids down there and just have the reporters kids be the reporters.
Yeah. They would love that.
Yes. Like, send Windhorse kids down there.
SI for Kids, easy read. It'd be sweet as hell.
Fire posters, too. Yes.
Yes. Yo, really fire.
Faces in the crowd. The little trading cards, too, that they had.
You're like, oh, this is cool. Yeah.
Who was the Rick Riley of SI for Kids? I don't know. Probably Revelle.
Probably, yeah. A seven-year-old.
Posing as a seven-year-old? It's too much Revelle. Yeah.
Still, every now and then. Bleep out that last one.
Every now and then when he posts his, like, TBT, the time that I complained to, like, Crazonettes for not having, like, enough Crazonettes in the box. And they sent me this letter.
It's like, power of the letter, guys. It's a great lesson.
god damn it they should just they should have the reporter's kids hanging out like being babysat by the players yes and then turn that into content yes james harden like leaving them in a hot car outside a strip club like he ducks in there for a while i'll be right back um all right let's get to our interviews we got some great stuff coming up we got judd apat Apatow and then Kentucky Sports Radio Best Of. Before we get to Judd, we're going to get right back to the show.
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Hey, what's up, Judd? How you doing? What's up, man? It's happening. We made it happen using modern technology.
Yes. Does anyone tell you who we are at all? Oh, let me tell you.
I do my research. I listen to the podcast.
I hear the debates. I hear you guys talking about the last dance i've got my own theories i'm

i'm ready to go okay great i'm interested to to like what your reaction was just initially hearing our podcast for the first time were you like these guys are idiots that can sometimes sound smart or these guys are kind of smart but they sound like morons you know what that's the right question that the right question. Where did I land with your tone? And, you know, for me as someone who loves podcasts, I'm a big podcast fan.
The first thing I thought of was I would listen to this. I like it.
And I'm going to I'm going to subscribe and I'm going to go deep. I like it.
I like a good 20-minute conversation about Michael Jordan and did he really eat the pizza or is that a lie? I'm all for this. Okay.
All right, we're going to actually throw that question in later on in the interview because you buttered us up. So when people get to this point, they're going to be like, oh, that's why everything's going so well.
All right, let me intro you, though. It is Judd Apatow, filmmaker, actor, comedian.
He has a new movie coming out June 12th, The King of Staten Island. We both watched it.
I loved it. I thought it was great.
We actually just had Bill Burr on, and I told him that it passed my test of, am I still thinking about the movie the next day and this one passed the test

uh my first question about this movie is what was it like doing a movie with Pete Davidson where it's kind of his it is his life and you have to be sensitive to his life but also very funny which you pulled off oh I think when you do something like this you have to be very respectful to the offering of someone's life. You know, if someone's like, I might give you the truth of what I went through and you could fictionalize it and use pieces of it and make up other stuff.
You have to really care to do it well. And I always just think, man, if someone like Pete gives me their life as fodder and I screw it up and the movie sucks, that's awful.
It'd be terrible to ruin someone's life. So I feel it both as pressure and it's like an honor to get it.

When we did Trainwreck with Amy Schumer, she talked a lot about her father having MS, and that's the case in real life, and how it affected her and her relationships.

And I was well aware that, wow, it's a big deal that she's willing to share that with me.

And I want to make a good, thoughtful, funny movie with it. So it's both exciting and kind of scary when people will let you do that.
Yeah, I think you used the right word, which is thoughtful. And you've been pretty consistent over your career.
You've made a lot of very funny things. And you've also had a lot of things that you've produced and directed that have been a good combination of very funny but also very thoughtful.
Is there like a mix that's the golden ratio when you're going into a movie like this one, like King of Staten Island? Are you like, okay, we need it to be 30% laughs and we need it to be 70% drama and moving the story forward, making people think and maybe making people empathize with these characters or how do you balance that ratio? You know, for me, it's just like, if you're authentic and you're credible, people are funny anyway, right? Like you could, if you're real, people are weird. Like in real life, people are just nuts.
So you can, if you're telling a story about someone's life and some lesson they learned or how they got through something hard, if you take it seriously, it's still going to be funny. This brings us to the Michael Jordan eating pizza during the NBA finals question.
What is funnier than that, right? It's the highest stakes thing in the world. It's late at night, you're hungry, you get a pizza, you refuse to share it with any of your friends.
And then you're sick all night and you have to play and you have to play your best while sick. Or it's a fake story.
We don't know that. Now, if you say it is a fake story say that's the michael jordan cover-up for something else which we don't know that's kind of hysterical too like how am i going to get away with this other thing i did can you just tell people i ate a bad pizza right so like everything in life no matter how high the stakes are on some level it's still pretty fun right if that's like what they settled on for being the big explanation what let's say he was hung over and he was you know puking his guts out he was not feeling well to settle on like just go with the pizza angle on this is also very funny as like the big like conspiracy that they cooked up behind the scenes well because what is it really it's like i have a responsibility to my team so if this is movie, that's a great beginning of a story.
I'm the lead guy. I have to be the best.
I yell at everyone if they don't work hard. And if they break the rules, I destroy them.
And then I make a mistake, whatever the mistake turns out to be, whether it's eating a pizza or pretending to have eaten a pizza to cover up a mistake, that's high comedy stakes. And what would the end of that movie be? Having the best game of your life while almost vomiting the entire time.
Yeah, getting a pizza deal, an ad deal, and then becoming the king of pizza in Utah. Papa bless.
Yes, yes. Speaking of basketball, and you just mentioned train wreck, just how difficult was it to work with lebron to work with lebron you know before lebron came i asked people

i'm like how is it how is it to work with lebron because a lot of people you know who are not actors

or actresses they may not take it as seriously they may not understand you know what it means

to be responsible when you're like the most important person in your world and the truth is

Thank you. seriously.
They may not understand, you know, what it means to be responsible when you're like the most important person in your world. And the truth is, and it's not interesting at all, LeBron showed up early every day, knowing his stuff, having his own comedic ideas about it.
And when he was, you know, waiting in between things, he never walked away and went in his trailer. He just hung out with us wall to wall during that entire shoot, which was five days.
He was there Monday to Friday shooting all the scenes. And we would just laugh.
We would laugh that LeBron was there. That just made us laugh.
LeBron is here in this room with us. And he's forced to talk to us.
We're a bunch of comedy comedy nerds and LeBron is hanging out with a bunch of weirdos, us, and he's so polite and funny and he's kicking ass. So like to us, it was like one of the great experiences.
I can only compare it to James Taylor was in Funny People and we needed him to sing a song in this one sequence. And just as a goof, I said, you know, I don't know what song to use.
Do you want to sing a whole bunch of songs? And I'll figure it out in editing. And then we just forced him to sing about 10 different songs for two days, only because we loved him.
Right. And we just couldn't believe he was there.
We're like crying while he's singing all these songs. And that's what it felt like with LeBron.
Like, oh, my God. Thank God he's incredibly cool.
And he did crush it comedically. He had a real take on why that was funny.
Can you confirm that LeBron gave Amy the idea for her sketch that she used of just drinking one glass of wine out of the gallon-sized wine glass? It was not part of that conversation. But what was funny is when LeBron did the scene where he plays basketball with Bill, one was that he threw the craziest full court Swiss shot.
Like the kind you see in the documentary about him where he just throws it from all the way across the court and he goes in. He did do that in front of us.
But also just everyone in town just showed up you know it was like babe ruth was on the set like children just started appearing and suddenly chris rock is there with his kids and like everyone just started appearing because they just heard that lebron was there so i in in reading a little bit about you i mean we i've been a fan of yours for a long time and all the movies you've done.

But I didn't know this fact. When you were 16, you had a radio show and you booked the guests like Jerry Seinfeld, Jay Leno and who else?

Oh, Gary Shanley.

How the hell did you pull that off?

One.

And how nervous were you?

Two.

Well, this was like 1983, 1984 1984 so this is before the internet it's before podcasts and I was obsessed with comedy and I wanted to talk to comics and there really was no way to talk to them and there were no long interviews there was no place where you could listen to someone that you looked up to for an hour. And my friend started interviewing bands for our high school radio stations.

And so he interviewed REM and Susie and the Banshees and people like that.

And then one day he's like, you should just do a show.

We'll just make up a show where you interview comics and that'll give you an excuse to call them.

And then I would call them and I would never say

that it was for a high school radio station. I always just said it was for a New York radio station.
And I would call their publicists. And the other thing you have to remember is like back in 1983, 84, you know, when Jerry Seinfeld was, you know, just getting going, no one wanted to talk to him.
Like there wasn't a line of people trying to interview Jay Leno or people like that. And so when I would call, I think the PR people were happy to look like they were doing a good job getting them some publicity.
And they didn't know it was complete BS. It was just a high school radio station that barely got out of the parking lot.
And then I would show up with this huge tape recorder from the AV squad. And they would always look at it and kind of laugh like, now i gotta do this like they were always a little bummed who and then i was such a nerd that i hopefully asked them questions they were interesting so you invented podcasts kind of on on some level i was either trying to invent podcasting or the char Rose show.
I was trying to invent something.

That's for sure.

That's fantastic though.

I mean,

16 and interviewing.

I'm always fascinated by people.

Cause you,

you obviously started standup comedy at 17,

dropped out of college.

Did you just,

you just knew it.

You just knew that's what you wanted to do. And it was one focus,

one mind.

Cause a lot of people kind of float through life and don't find that one

thing.

Were you just locked in at such an early age that you knew that was what you were going to do for life I think so you know I was a kid I was obsessed with like all the talk shows when I was a kid which was like the Merv Griffin show and Dinah Shore then later Letterman hit the air and I loved the comics and in my head I thought oh it would be amazing and then steve martin hit and you know he was the beyonce of comedy and you know in 1978 and that's when my dream was born and i think i just pursued it really intensely my parents got divorced and i felt very unstable and i think my brain said you better get a job and you better work your ass off to be able to take care of yourself and so i think i had an irrational at 12 at 12 yeah well the 14 at 14 i had this feeling like learn to take care of yourself and it was so much irrational but it was you know the gasoline that made me the kind of kid who would you know drive an hour and a half to Poughkeepsie to interview Weird Al Yankovic. Was there one comic at that age? Because I feel like that age is when people really start to open their eyes to what their future interests are going to be, you know, for the rest of their life.
Was there one comic that you saw that it was just like a holy shit moment? Like, this is incredible. I'm obsessed with this now.
Well, Seinfeld was one. This is before the TV show.
And I used to go see him at Caroline's in New York back then, which was a small club. It was like 90 seats.
And his act was just the perfect hour of stand up. I used to see Leno and Gilbert Gottfried.
Gilbert was one of my favorites. I remember seeing Pee Wee Herman at the same club doing a version of standup comedy when I was a kid.
I think

probably just as a young Jewish guy on Long Island, there were a lot of guys who were like me, like Paul Reiser. And I thought, oh, people like me get to do this.
You know, I think a lot of people, they talk about diversity of voices in film and television. And a lot of people like Kamail Nanjiani would say, I never saw myself in anything.
And so I didn't think it was possible to do the things that I'm trying to do when I was little. But I was the opposite.
Everyone looked like me. Gary Shandling looked like me.
And I think it programmed me to think, oh, it's possible to do this. And also I had a grandfather who produced jazz and rock and he produced the first Janis Joplin record and he produced Ted Nugent, but he also produced Charlie Parker.
And he was a hustler. And I just thought, oh, I guess you just hustle.
I guess you hustle and that's how you break in. So I just started hustling from a young age.
So you get your start by doing standup. You did a lot of writing too.
I've always wondered about writing for Jim Carrey. I read that you did some rewrites for a few of his scripts.
Is he the easiest person in the world to write for or the most difficult person in the world to write comedy for? Well, he is the – none of it is easy because he's so smart and he's so imaginative and I'm not imaginative like Jim is. And so in that sense, it's very hard because he's like Salvador Dali or something.
And, and it's hard to come up with those visions for him, but Jim and I, you know, are really good friends. And when I was young, we would spend a lot of time together.
And I just think I was a good hang. You know, sometimes you're just, you're not the most creative guy in the world, but you're the kind of person that gets a creative person going.
Yeah, I was a good audience. I had a good sense of where he was going, was the right direction or not.
I knew how to get him

in a good mood. And I did

that for a lot of comedians when I was young. I wrote

for Roseanne.

I did

writing for all sorts of

people early in their careers. And I was a

kid. I wrote for Shandling.
I wrote the Grammys when I was

in my early 20s.

But I always felt like, I'm smart,

and I'm pretty funny, but I think I'm really

good at pointing them in the direction

where they will think of

Thank you. in my early twenties, but I always felt like I'm smart and I'm pretty funny, but I think I'm really good at pointing them in the direction where they will think of the greatest idea ever.
And a lot of my work with Jim was that, you know, he used to have me come to his house on the weekends to punch up movies like Bruce almighty or liar, liar. But a lot of it was just, he needed to do the rewrite.
And showed up he would do it yeah you know what i mean like he has an appointment with someone and i'm taking notes and asking questions and pitching a little bit but really it's to keep him organized so so speaking of being a good hang i'm sure you've been in some rooms with just i mean you've been in many rooms with many fantastic comedians

um is there one guy or girl who is always kind of the alpha who makes everyone else laugh even a room that's star-studded that you're amazed at like that person can command a room full of the funniest people in the world i mean there are certain people that just know how to kill any room.

I think Kevin Hart is like that.

I met Kevin Hart when he was really a young guy. I did a pilot with him in 2001 or 2002.
It was a pilot that started him, Amy Poehler, and Jason Segel, and Judge Reinhold, and January Jones. And it did not get picked up, you know up 18, 19 years ago.
And we knew it. We're like, Kevin's the guy.
And we wanted that show to get picked up. And then I had him on this TV show I did called Undeclared.
He did a few episodes and he was in The 40-Year-Old Virgin. But he's the guy, almost more than anyone, if he's just in the mood to, he could destroy any room.
Yeah. Interesting.
He's very funny. One of our favorite lines from Kevin Hart is when he goes, I farted out of my heart.
Did you enjoy that line also? Kevin and Romany were in 40 Old Virgin and there's a scene where they're like cursing each other out in the middle of the stereo store. Yep.
know in the movie it's kind of short but on the the extended version of the movie i let it go for like five minutes yeah and i just sat behind the monitor just watching them go so hard at each other um but uh yeah kevin is amazing do you uh still proudly wear cargo shorts because i know you had a little dude toot to do when you threw out the first pitch. Oh, you got them on right now.
Did you expect that type of backlash? Oh, yeah, there they are. Those are Nike shorts.
Those are from the people at Nike. Did you expect the backlash when you wore the cargo shorts throughout the first pitch of the Mets game? Let me tell you, it was so hot that day I I can't even tell you how hot it was so you decided I got extra pockets you wanted extra pockets for how hot it was I you know it was all about getting a little airflow going and all the the undercarriage but I never even considered wearing jeans I'm like I'm not going to Shea Stadium in 90-degree weather wearing jeans.
That's not happening. And I do not own any light slacks.
So they asked me to throw out the first pitch, maybe like the day before or the two days before. Now, I have not thrown a hard ball since seventh, eighth grade.
I literally have not held a hard ball. I played maybe some softball over the years, but like to throw a hard ball had not happened.
And when you try to practice that again, after not doing it for decades, you become aware of your mechanics, right? It's not muscle memory. There's no muscle memory.
And then you're like, do you throw it over the top? Do you throw it on the side? And I'm practicing and my arm is going out so fast from practicing. And then I go and I practice in the basement of the stadium.
And they say, Judd, when you're on the mound, you have to throw it higher because it's almost like an optical illusion. You'll throw it in the dirt.
You just throw high. And I got out there and I threw it straight, which I was proud of because a lot of people have not thrown it straight, but it hit the dirt.
And I will take that to my grave as a moment of humiliation. That's tough, but nobody remembers that you bounced it because everyone just talks about the cargo shorts.
Right. Well, what they don't talk about is, first of all, Dwight gooden was in the crowd okay and keith hernandez it was a little too much uh too much pressure for me and right before i did it i said i want this either to be the worst anyone's ever done it or i would like to do it perfectly i do not want to do it in the middle yes i don't want this to be kind of neither here nor there and i after i did it i'm like you know what know what? I think that was in the middle.
I don't think it was the worst throw ever, but it wasn't great. But then someone sent me a photo of it, and I look like Jerry Lewis in the photo.
I look so crazy that I said, yes, it was one of the worst ever. And then I was so happy.
That's great. That's great.
One thing I've always admired about you is that you have stayed very loyal to a large group of people for a very long time in Hollywood, which I imagine can't be easy. But I have to ask, did you guys like sit down and make a pact in the late 90s and say, this group right here, we're going to dominate every single comedic movie that comes out of Hollywood for the next 30 years.
And we're keeping this all in house together. You know, when I lived with Sandler, which was the early 90s, like 89, 90, we all had a sense that Adam was going to be someone who did well.
And then we all knew Jim Carrey. And so those are the two people that we thought, I think those are the people there.
Those are going to be the. I didn't think I was really going to be the one.
I was very quickly losing confidence in myself being around people that felt like other level. And then I met Stiller around that time.
I'm like, yeah, Stiller, like those three seem to be the ones. And then years later, I met Amy Poehler and I was like, I think she's the funniest person I've ever seen in my life, when she used to go on Conan and play Amy Richter's sister.
But for me, I loved all those Freaks and Geeks actors and actresses, and I really had a sense that they were great, and that outside of the show, they would be great, and made a conscious choice to try to do something with as many of them as I could. And, you know, I'm a loyal person.
So I, you know, but I feel like our group has gotten larger over the years. You know, we added Eric Banna during funny people and, you know, every once in a while, somebody you don't expect appears in one of our things.
Speaking of freaks and Geeks, what's the sliding doors moment on that like? So if Freaks and Geeks had not been canceled, it was a critical success, but you only got one season out of it. If that stretches out five, six, seven, eight years, what is the ripple effect on just comedy in Hollywood? Like what goes down? Well, you know what we did after undeclared.
There's no undeclared. The next thing I did, I produced Anchorman.
They probably would have made it without me. So there would have been a mutated Anchorman.
I'm sure it still would have been great. And then the 40-year-old virgin.
I mean, it's a domino effect of just people doing other things and maybe better things. Who knows? I mean, you say it like it's all good, but maybe all those people would have had some completely different path and turned into Daniel Day-Lewis and Meryl Streep.
And I held them all back. I was listening to a podcast you did with Conan, I think it was about six months ago, and you were talking about having the type of day as a creative person where you felt like nothing was working and that you felt like a fraud.
And it dawned on me that if Judd Apatow, one of the most accomplished guys in the comedy world, can have those days, then we're all screwed because we hope to one day have the success you have. How do you wrestle with that? Those days where you're like, I have all this success, but I don't feel like I belong.
And I feel like nothing else is going to work ever again. I think that, you know, sometimes, you know, just nothing comes, you know, like nothing comes that day.
You may say, I want to work on this script and try to fix it. And then you sit and like, you're not funny.

And you just have to know that that's part of it.

That it's really about, you know, getting your ass in the seat every day and hoping that you have good ideas.

And then sometimes you have bad moments.

You know, we were testing the King of Staten Island.

And I couldn't seem to get the first act right. It just felt weird.
I loved all the scenes, but it just felt weird. My wife, Leslie Mann, was like, I think the scene that you have where he's driving in the car, that whole sequence probably should open the movie.
I don't think it should happen 20 minutes in. It seems like it should open the movie.
And I was like, you don't know what you're talking about about there's a whole reason why that's 20 minutes in the movie and she kept saying like you're making a mistake it should be the opening and then literally three months later i still felt like the first act's weird and i said to the editor can you put that driving sequence as the open maybe let me just see what it is let me see just so i could can tell Leslie it's wrong. And then it completely changed everything.
It's incredible. The first act suddenly made sense.
Every scene was kind of supercharged, had more depth. You really understood who Pete was.
But you know, I had months where I was like, maybe I just screwed up this whole first act. And so a lot of times you're just waiting for some inspiration to hit.
And sometimes it never does hit. And you just make something bad.
And other times you figure it out. I have to imagine that there have been some scripts that you've worked on that were very, very funny to write.
And you felt like you had something gold and you had all these great setups, all these great jokes. And then when it translated to either television or the big screen, it didn't work as well in real life as it did in your mind.
Is there a movie that comes to mind that you've done that kind of fits that description? Well, a lot of the movies that I didn't do as well as other movies, I like, sometimes I like them more. I think they're weirder.
And I like, you know, like Walk Hard is a movie that made, you know, very little money. Right.
And I think it's one of the funniest ones of all the ones we did. I don't know if people were dying for a movie which was a parody of Walk the Line and Ray and all the music biopics.
But now that the music biopics are giant and the Queen movie was so big, people revisited Walk Hard. And there were all these articles about how everything in the movie about Queen is already in Walk Hard like all the conventions of what's difficult about music biopics that makes them not work a lot of the time and there was all these articles just saying looking back Walk Hard was awesome so that's our favorite thing when you know something feels dismissed at the time and And it seems to hold up 10 years later.
I would say Popstar falls into that bucket, too. It wasn't like a resounding success at the time.
That's one of the funniest movies I've seen in the last 20 years. Yeah, those guys, the Lonely Island guys, are unbelievable.
And it is always a bummer when you don't have the box office you were hoping for. even with that one we had a sense like people are going to discover this on television like they did you know mcgruber which is another great one yeah and so you're both happy about it but you're also kind of bummed because in a movie theater with a full house pop star just crushed so hard yeah and it is so good but the most you know the most important thing is you'd like for me if i'm at home and i'm scrolling through the channels am i psyched when i see that my movie is on tv or am i embarrassed and when you that's all you care about like if you see like a movie up there and you're like oh man someone's probably watching that right now they're they're gonna have a little ride like that's the thing that makes you happy about it you just don't want to be ashamed ashamed of putting out garbage, you know, that, you know, you want something to make people happy.
Even now, everyone is home. Most of the time, people are really bored.
People are really down. And, and, you know, for me, it just makes me feel like, oh, maybe this was all worth it because I know there are people like having a rough day and they're going to put one of these things on and hopefully it gives them a, you know, a fun time for a couple hours.
Yeah. So what's the ripple effect from here going to be like for comedy? So like, obviously all productions are stalled right now, at least the ones that are set in the United States.
Are we just not going to have movies for the first quarter of next year? I think that, yeah, it's going to be a little weird. Like for us, they were like, you want to wait a year to have the movie come out? i was like no i mean it's done i'm like i'm not the kind of person that could have it like sitting on the shelf for a year and i said you know it's kind of about what's happening i think it should come out now let's just like get it out there you know this is about what people are experiencing and and uh but yeah it's gonna be a weird there's gonna be a moment

when we're like aren't there supposed to be more movies right now right i think there'll be a like

a backlog in the spring or the summer if the theaters are all open and cranking where there'll

be like tons of movies and then maybe next fall like fall 2021 there's no movies yeah do you think

that some studios just have real pieces of shit saved up that they thought were never good enough

Thank you. next fall like fall 2021 there's no movies yeah do you think that some studios just have real pieces of shit saved up that they thought were never good enough to release five years ago six years ago that they're like you know what fuck it let's put it in theaters six yeah men in black 19 well you know the truth is there's so many great movies that people have not seen in the movie theaters like you could pick a hundred of the best movies of all time and just go we're gonna put godfather 2 in the theaters on 2 000 screens and it would be the best thing ever so maybe they'll come up with some creative way to introduce people to all sorts of amazing movies that they never got to see well um we have a movie we do yeah do you are we gonna pitch them i don't know i feel like we should we already have We've got most of your friends that are already loosely attached to it.
Yeah, Adam Sandler has been loosely attached to it. We have to create roles for his wife and his kids.
Oh, yeah. Okay.
Do you want to hear our movie pitch? Of course I want to hear the pitch. Let me hear it.
Maybe a little more enthusiasm when you say that? I'd love to hear this pitch. Give me all you got.
Okay, it's called Boner Dogs. It's a dog with a boner.
Okay. That okay that's basically it it gets lost and then it comes back because the boner drags in the snow and everyone it's kind of rudolph the red-nosed reindeer meets what was the other thing meets hansel and gretel meets debbie does dallas everyone's like oh no this dog's got a boner it'll never be good for anything and then the dog's like actually i'm a very good sled dog because you can use my boner as the north star to find our way back home when we get lost in the snow and and adam sandler's involved i think we gave the role the voice of the boners to will ferrell yeah david spade is is involved as well topher grace yeah um zach efron actually is a definite yes yeah hard yes hard yes not no pun i have a question yeah what if what if the dog gets sad and loses his boner that's yeah that's the uh the second act right there yeah that's exactly it this is what i would do as a producer okay punch it up a little bit deep and figure out what is the emotion that leads to the lack of the erection and then how how does he get the erection back? Maybe he's running through the snow, and then he sees, like, on a tree, it's just a big box score with everyone's batting average, and he loses the boner right away because he starts reading that, like the old trick of, like, let me go through a batting lineup so that I can maybe not ejaculate too quick.
You know what I would say? If I was producing, you would say, I like that. But? Let's come up with other versions of why he would lose his boner.
Let's really think about the psychology of why he had the boner in the first place. Too much whiskey.
He drank too much whiskey. They were giving away $1 Long Island iced teas at the local bar.
Boom, boner gone. Why does he need to drink? What hurt him? Because he's upset that everyone makes fun of him for having a boner.
Yeah, yeah. I like that.
I like that. See, we're cracking it.
Beat by beat, we crack this story. So it sounds like you're in.
Well, you actually already are in. You've tweaked the script, so we're going to put you on.
Writing credit, yeah. We do it animated.
You can't do it live action. We do animated.
We can have this in theaters by November. Yes.
Easy. Yes.
And Adam Sandler said that if he doesn't get an Oscar for Uncut Gems, he's going to make the worst movie possible. Boom.
Boner Dogs. I feel like we've just packaged it.
Okay. Okay, and gets it back because they he drives the sled off a cliff in like a bad snowstorm it lands in the ocean and everyone's going to drown he accidentally inhaled some oysters which boom rush of blood boners back and then somebody from the shore casts a line into the ocean and hooks his boner, and then they lift him back up by his red lipstick.
Well, at least we know the end works, so we don't have to work on that part. Right.
We just work on the second act turn. Right.
Okay. Second act turn.
Yes, that's what I was going to say, too. Yes, we're definitely going to do that.
I had one last question. In King of Staten Island and also in other movies you've had, you've had your own family.
How hard is it to direct your own family? Is it I would imagine there's got to be moments where you're like, this is kind of weird because now we've got to go home and eat dinner together. And I didn't like something you did in front of, you know, the cameras.
Well, you know. I like that they have to listen to me.
OK, I'm generally powerless as a person in the house. And so it is the one place where they have to listen to me.
I, you know, I haven't worked with most of them in a long time. This is 40 was 2012.
So I actually haven't worked with anyone in the family other than Iris. Iris was in love, our TV show on Netflix.
And so Maude, I hadn't worked with actually as an actress, like on the set nine years. And now, you know, she's been in Euphoria and that TV show Hollywood.
And now she kind of knows what she's, she's doing. When she was a kid, I would just like, you know, seatbelt her into a seat at the kitchen table and put bacon in front of her and just, you know, torture her.
And that's, you know, what the scenes were. This was actual acting and it was it was it was super fun we actually have a really good time doing it and she plays pete's uh sister and is the one that gets to really tell him off and tell him everything that he's doing which is a painful for her yeah and so yeah we had a good time yeah that's great well i really enjoyed the movie i hope people go see it because it's it's definitely a good watch.
It's an interesting story because I have to imagine you are taking Pete Davidson's life and a big part of the comedy and a big part of things that push the movie forward is that his character in this movie can be kind of an asshole sometimes. and you have to like you have to take that bit of his life and be like okay pete we're gonna make you an asshole in this movie because that's what you said that you're like

but we're also gonna make it funny was that ever awkward where you're like, hey, Pete, be more of an asshole? Well, sometimes people go, oh, man, I am just awful in this scene. I'm just a nightmare.
But I feel like a lot of good comedy is, you know, people are terrible. They learn how to be less terrible.
I don't know if you remember the beginning of Stripes.

It's like Bill Murray and the woman's yelling at him

and he's the cab driver and he stops the cab

on the middle of the bridge

and he tosses the keys into the river.

You know, that's like how comedies start.

You know, usually it is someone who's kind of a brat

or, you know, acting out in some way.

So I always think the worse, the better.

In the beginning, like when you've got the boner dog. In the beginning, he's not a nice boner dog.
Then he learns to be nice. Yep.
So now we've got some growth. Now we've got some growth.
You've really helped us. You've really sparked it.
You have been our inspiration today. This is it.
You know, I did one of those master classes. I think you guys watch it and apply all of it to your draft you are a good hang you're absolutely right you've got the creative people's brains going over here yeah you guys in this situation are the jim carrey and i'm the judge yeah wow uh all right uh thank you so much judd oh last question um if you could go back in time we're talking about freaks and geeks doing a sliding door Would you still vote for Trump? Would I still vote for him Like I did? Yeah You know what that secret vote I did for Trump And told my family You know I'd have to like see how the next few months go Okay How it all works out Yeah he's learning on the job right now So who knows yeah you know he's he's getting there it's a learning curve this is certainly a learning curve uh happening i've learned never say never so you wouldn't totally take back your vote i got it that's fair yeah yeah yeah of course you know because you get pence you know and that was always the big plus for me easy icing on the cake yeah um all right well judd thank you so much go see king of staten island uh june 12th what's the deal or can people buy it at home it's going to be a rental uh so you can rent it for a few days starting june 12th perfect and then i guess you know a couple of months later you can buy it and then we'll have the all the extras and stuff uh come out then all right love it oscar buzz there's oscar buzz around it let me tell you something if i can't win win an Oscar this year when there's no movies, I have no chance.
Well, we started the Oscar buzz. The only Oscar buzz we've heard is just when we interviewed Bill Burr earlier and we said, hey, there's Oscar buzz.
So that counts though. Let me tell you something.
You are in the media. So don't think your buzz is not real.
We control the media. There is Oscar buzz.
For your consideration. For your consideration, King of Staten Island, best director, best screenplay, best acting, Bill Burr.
Best new movie I saw this year. I'm telling you, if I can get a gold globe out of this, I am out of this game.
Best Kiss, the MTV Video Awards. If they still do that, Best Kiss, Bill Burr versus Tomei.
If I can get a blockbuster barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry barry Thank you, Judd. All right.
Thanks, guys. That was fun.
We're going to get right back to the show.

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on in kentucky it is kentucky sports radio sponsored by the law office a tj smith call tj he'll make them pay we're the boys from part of my take barstool sports we're guest hosting once a year it's one of our favorite days of the entire year pft good morning kentucky so here's what we have planned for today uh by the way i just gotta shout out tj smith what a t t call tj he'll make him pay that just that just hits different if listen if i'm looking for a personal injury attorney in kentucky I'm not making it past the T's in my phone.

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Let's go to Jordan.

Jordan, what's up?

Yeah, what's going on, boys? boys hey jordan where are you calling from uh possum truck kentucky oh love it all right jordan how you doing man what's up what's cooking what do you got well i had two questions for y'all okay uh first of all what was it like actually interviewing in The Undertaker? Oh. It was spooky.
Yes. I mean, that guy's, I mean, it's like he's not even a real guy, you know? Yes.
But kind of got brought to life when I interviewed him. Yes.
That's what happens when The Undertaker's around. He just comes back to life places.
Jordan, did you agree with me? You obviously sound like your big wrestling fan. I love wrestling.
Did you agree with me that someday The Undertaker will actually die, but I won't think he's dead forever? Like, they'll be in 50 years from now, I'll be like, The Undertaker's about to come back. Oh, yeah.
I'm just going to expect every WrestleMania to hear the dong, you know. Yes, yes.
And then what was your second question? My second question was would you rather have permanent Cheeto fingers or have a popcorn kernel permanently stuck in your tooth? I'm going to go Cheeto fingers. Appreciate you taking my call.
Thank you so much, Jordan. Thank you.
That was my favorite I'll hang up and listen of all time,

being like I want my Cheeto question answered,

but I'll hang up and take my answer off air.

I'm going to go with the Cheeto fingers because, one,

you can always lick your fingers.

That's delicious.

To me, that's massive.

That's not a problem.

If they lick them and they keep coming back, that's got to be annoying.

I agree with you. I would go Cheeto fingers.

Yeah, Cheeto fingers to me is like a bonus.

That's a good thing.

The kernel between the teeth, that's one of the worst feelings of all time.

Ever.

Yeah, you can't get rid of it.

Thank you. I would go Cheeto Fingers.
Yeah, Cheeto Fingers to me is like a bonus. That's a good thing.
The kernel between the teeth, that's one of the worst feelings of all time. Ever.
Yeah, you can't get rid of it. It stays around for like three days at a time.
There's no win out of that one. So I'm going to take the Cheeto Fingers easily.
Rico. Rico.
Rico. Uh-oh.
Yeah, Rico from up north in Covington. So-and-so from Cincinnati.
How y'all guys doing? What are you doing? Rico, come on. What are you doing? Don't insult our intelligence.
Coach Doug, you know, you go to these clinics. I'm wondering, you're in Lexington.
Are you managing getting stuff from John Calipari about how to manage the cap? Are you learning how to pay the players? The bag. Do you have a bag? Wait, is this a fake Rico? Is this a parody account? Yeah, John Calipari.
He's been playing pairs for years. Yeah, this is fake Rico.
Two of them vacated. I counted.
No, this is real Rico. Real Rico doing a fake accent? Who's Rico? No, I'm from Lexington.
We're from Covington. Covington's one of the earliest...
Covington, yeah. He's so much.
Covington, yeah, you only got us there.

What's awesome about this call right now is I'm sure that Rico has an entire sheet in front of him that he's written out about, like, his bio, his fake Rico bio.

Yeah, I've been going up to St. Mary's Basile's and playing with my nanner for 20 years.

I'm just wondering if Coach Doug is learning from that John Calipari about how to pay the player,

manage the cap.

Rico, who's your favorite coach? Who's my favorite coach? My favorite coach is the man who defended the country. His name likes for Sheffield.
Okay, so you don't think he pays the players at all? Absolutely not. Players graduate.
John Calipari's running a one-and-done factory. Maybe that's what you're doing.
Wait, Coach K there's like mel kuyper seeping in there yeah rico's calling from the year 2002 before coach rico what's your favorite give me one last one last question what's your favorite place to eat in lexington 30 my favorite place to eat lexington is uh that papa john's y'all The one everyone knows about. They got the good garlic butter.

Yeah, I got some cousins up in Brooklyn. They talk about the far.
I've never been that far. All right, Rico from Covington, thank you so much for finish hour one.
It's good to get a flavor of the real Kentuckians. All right, what do we got next call? Let's go to Dilbert.
Dilbert.

That's a fake name, right?

No, no, no.

No, guys.

I'm from a place called Corbin, Kentucky.

It's in southeastern Kentucky.

Okay.

Good to hear from you.

A couple quick facts.

We're the home of the first KFC.

Okay.

You guys need to come down here.

I don't know if you're ever down here.

It's amazing.

Basically, it's the same food that comes from wherever it does in corporate, but it's a neat little building. So we're home, First KFC.
To become a Kentucky colonel, you basically just have to know somebody. I mean, I don't mean to really talk bad about any Kentucky colonels, but it ain't that big a deal, just to be honest with you, because I know some guys that, you know, that should not have that honor.
But they've got it because they knew somebody and they got some papers signed. So it ain't that big a deal.
You've got to know somebody that knows somebody. I like it.
I'm going to look up and see who the Kentucky Colonels are and see if I know somebody. Okay, what else you got, Dilbert? Well, I got one question.
Yeah. This is something that I've done, okay? Two things I've done.
Would you rather step in dog poop barefoot with both feet and have to stay that way for several hours, or would you rather help birth a calf where you've got to get your hands all up and personal in the cow? Because it's a messy – I don't know if you've seen it. It's a messy experience.
But what would you rather do if you had to do one of those two? And I'm going to hang up. No, no, no, no, Dilbert, you do not hang up.
Do not hang up. Okay.
Okay, I'll stay on here. Why did you have to stand in dog poop for multiple hours? Several hours on end.
Well, no, no, no. So I used to, you know, I mean, I don't mean to be stereotypical or anything, but I used to run around with my shoes off a lot.

I lived kind of up in the country, and, you know, we had dogs and stuff up on the property,

and I was running and chasing one, and I stepped in just the biggest pile of dog crap.

I mean, it was amazing.

I was squishing your toes.

It was pretty nasty.

But I was kind of left alone, and so I went down to the pond and tried to wash my feet off,

Thank you. crap he very i mean it was amazing i was squishing his toes it's crazy nasty but i was uh i was kind of left alone and so i went down to the pond and tried to wash my feet off but it just it wouldn't come on it was like it was nasty and i stayed that way for about three four hours before i could take a shower and then um and then birthed in a calf my papa had a had a cow farm and uh there was a calf that was that the cow mama cow would have died if we didn't help and and he felt like it was a time to kind of teach his grandson something and so i mean i don't know if you've seen city flickers the first one where billy crystal kind of goes up in there and pulls out that calf that was a real thing he actually lost his watch up in there which is kind of a funny thing but anyway uh it's a messy experience and it's nasty uh but both of them are gross experiences um i think at least with the calf coming out you got a baby cow to look at it's kind of cute you know man it's neat and they grow up now can they walk right when you pull them out do you just pull them out and put them on the ground they they're a little bit wobbly they look like they've had several things to drink maybe eating some rotten apples or something i mean because they kind of wob kind of wobble.
Their legs are real flimsy, but you know, they grow up because you can kill later for a steak. And that's what we do.
You know what I mean? It's just what we do. I love it.
And, uh, so, I mean, at least you got that. That's kind of a, it's kind of like when you tell a woman, you've had a kidney stone and they say, well, have you had birth? And you say, no, but at least you got a baby to show for it.
All I had was a stone that I passed. Yeah.
I've said that a few times. I mean, if you're walking around with dog poop in between your toes, it's gross, but when you help birth a calf, there's at least a life that you're looking at, even if you get nasty.
You know what I mean? I love it, Dilbert. I love it.
It's a great pickup line to use, which is like, hey, I've helped a mama cow give birth to a cute little baby, and I reckon there's probably no way that you can do a C-section on a cow either, it yeah no you'd probably kill the mama you don't want to do that unless she's i mean unless she's fattened up yeah she's ready for the slaughter you know what i mean but i'd like to hear what you got i mean yeah you had to choose that i would i think i'd go with the cow because what you said dilbert i have one last question are you uh interesting name are you one of many Dilberts is the long line of Dilberts no no no no I mom and dad so well you know there was that old uh that old cartoon script yep my my dad my dad was a heavy drinker and he used to read that when he was a kid when he started drinking and he just liked Dilbert and I thought it was a joke to be honest with you when I was growing up and I got made fun of a lot when I was growing up because of that comic strip but I think that's what happened I think dad was just he was just wasted and told my mom you know mom she had a rough delivery with me I was a big old baby I was a fat kid and and uh and they said they didn't have my name picked out and here I come and dad says I want him to be named to be named Dilbert. And so it just kind of stuck, and it's been – I mean, it's been tough, but, you know, there's not a lot of Dilberts around.
You know what I mean? It's growing on me. It's growing on me.
I like it. Have you ever gone by anything but Dilbert, like Dilly or Bert, or has it always just been Dilbert? Well, Shannon would have to hit the dunk button if I told you what they called me when I was a kid.
Okay. I wouldn't sleep with that.

But Dilbert's been pretty much stuck because, I mean, I played baseball and stuff, too,

and it used to be so funny when they'd call me over the intercom.

They were like, now batting number four, Dilbert.

And people would laugh like it was.

I mean, it was a little bit embarrassing, but, you know, hey, in college it kind of stuck,

and now I just go with it.

I'm proud of it, just like I'm proud of my accent. It's where I'm from.
As long as I can speak grammatically correct and everything and not sound too dumb, just because I sound like a hick, that means that I don't know what's going on. I don't know.
It's been one of those things, guys. When I have grandkids someday, they might call me something different, but right now, Dilbert's going to be fine.
I love it. I think you've got a great outlook on life, and it sounds like part of that is being named Dilbert.
It's grown on me over the course of this call. I have one last question.
You mentioned that you were a big baby. How many pounds did you weigh when you were born? I was just over 10 pounds.
Wow. I look like it.
It's funny that my mama said that because I was in the nursery with a bunch of little kids, and there were a couple of premature babies and stuff.

Now, I know, actually, a couple of them were doing good because we shared the same birthday. But my mom joked and said to the doctor, when they looked at me,

they said, looks like you had twins, and he ate the other one.

I mean, I was that big.

I had twins for days.

I mean, I was a big old kid.

I was a big old kid.

But I'm not too big now.

I run about 200 pounds, about 5'8".

You know, probably not the ideal body weight.

But I got a dad bod, and I'm happy.

I'm fine.

I'm getting through life good.

That's Danny Woodhead size.

That is the ideal.

You might not like it, but that's the ideal male physical form.

Dilbert, thank you for the call.

This has been our best call of the day.

Do we have something we can give him?

Let's give him satisfaction for best call of the day. Dilbert, you just won satisfaction, my friend.
Yeah! Tell everyone. Yeah, Dilbert.
Be more like Dilbert. Go, Dilbert.
Go, Dilbert. Go.
If the entire world had the same outlook Dilbert had, we'd be in a much better place. You just let everyone know that you won satisfaction for part of my takeover on KSR today.

Dancing over here, bros.

I appreciate you guys. Have fun.
Thanks, Jeff.

Thanks, Dilbert.

We're going to get right back to the show.

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All right, back to part of my take okay let's uh finish up the show we have our documentary review of the week lance lance lance armstrong is an asshole and he's does he's not actually uh sorry is the actual title of it um, I think that that is watching this, the greater picture,

the biggest question I had going away from it is,

who the fuck does Lance Armstrong think he's fooling to be remorseful?

He's not remorseful.

He's not.

At all.

You know what he's done is he's realized he's the most self-centered person

I think I've ever seen. That's not really an exaggeration.
I think he's the most selfish person in the world. But he's reached the point in his life where he's had to confront what a dick that he's been in public so many times that the best way that he can come out of this, his grand master plan for feeling better about himself is to make a documentary where he's like, yes, I asshole right but let's make a big documentary about me being an asshole yeah another run another run around the uh track of me of me the spotlight being on me because that's really what it comes down to is that he uh anytime someone has to apologize the amount of times he has none of them are real like.
Like, it's the quarter. Like, if you have six apologies, you have none.
He apologized to Oprah in whatever it was, 2013. He then did a re-apology in 2018 being like, oh, yeah, that apology wasn't really real.
Like, it didn't really work. He's apologizing.
Like, he is a guy who does not give a fuck that he is a complete and unrepentant asshole yet at the same time this is the problem that i have with lance armstrong he still wants us to love him and he like there is a part because you can't deny the cancer research you can't deny that he's done some great things but he he wants to have his cake he needs to he wants to be the asshole the win it all cost guy like yeah i'm doping but everyone was doping which is true for bicycle yes but he also wants us to be like we love you lance he has reached the point in his life where he has like he's gradually pulling back from all the lies that he's told right and he's never once come absolutely clean given what 10 11 public that he's had. So why am I going to think that this apology is admitting? He actually reminds me a lot of Pete Rose in the way that he deals with things where he once he's like caught red handed, he'll admit something.
And maybe he'll give you like a little bit past what you already know about him. Right.
But then you ask him, well, what about all this other stuff? And then he'll put up like blocker be like no i never did that it's so when he when he was talking about the lady that came into his hospital room who testified that like lance openly admitted that he was using he is still hanging on to the fact that like that conversation never happened right still hates floyd landis still like he he it's actually kind of in a weird way the way just explained it. It's genius that he has so many lies that he can basically, like, release, apologize for one every couple years and keep his relevancy.
That's what he's doing. And he has done great things.
Like, his charity did great things. Everyone remembers Livestrong.
my problem is if he was a cheater in a sport like that that is just rampant with cheating i'd have no problem if he was like i cheated yeah yeah it's the fact even if he lied about cheating and then someday came clean i'd have no problem no problem it's the fact that he's so like litigious and and and uh aggressive towards anyone who tries to tell the truth that's what makes him an asshole implying that lady that who was she was in charge of like giving the cyclist massages on their recovery days to help them be able to take on the next time trial or whatever he implied that she was a whore right he was a prostitute right he goes after these instead of being like either shutting his mouth because she was telling the

truth in the interview that she did he could have just not said anything instead he responded to be like yeah you know what she did a lot of inappropriate things with those cyclists but i don't want to get into all that right with with lance he he ruins other people's lives right instead of having somebody slightly damage his own and and i have a question for you go ahead Sorry.

No, I was just i was gonna

say like it's almost perfect because he he found a perfect enemy in cancer right i want to unleash the most ruthless asshole in the world on cancer i think most of us would be like yes whatever it takes we'll try to defeat cancer because it kills so many people per year so having having lance Armstrong dedicate his life and focusing his assholeness on cancer was actually a great thing. Because of this one guy, I would say probably 10 million lives, maybe more have been saved.
And like dozens more millions have been like greatly improved while they fought cancer. So yes, he's a huge asshole.
But at the same time, if he wasn't such an asshole, maybe we wouldn't be as far advanced in terms of cancer research the the other thing i was thinking about in this documentary and we'll get uh billy's thoughts in a second here um i was thinking about because it came out in the proximity the last dance in lance and like the being an asshole and i, I don't think Michael Jordan is anywhere near the asshole that Lance Armstrong is, uh, even close. But there is also an element of it's, it's very, uh, you're really out on your own when you play an individual sport.
I know there's teams in biking, but I wonder if Lance Armstrong wasn't in that type of sport if he played football if he played basketball if he had the the team victories and was a dick to his teammates would we see him differently because i think it's that idea that you are like solely out there you get all the fucking accolades you get all the you're the best ever it's not a team sport so when it comes the other way we're gonna rip you and tear you down kind of like tiger woods like we're going to destroy you yeah i think with lance's teams they only existed to help lance and i think that's every relationship that he has in his life if you saw the different people they were interviewing in that movie there were like nine or ten different subjects where the bottom line of the screen said their name. And then their description was former business associate of Lance Armstrong from like various businesses that he was in.
None of them were like current employees of Lance. None of them were like current coworker, Lance.
None of them were like current best friend. They were all like former.
I think Lance sees everybody in his orbit as being there to serve him. And in bicycling, your team is quite literally there serve right the number one person right so like you can't you can't act the same way in a team sport in a real team sport as you do in bicycling even if you do technically have teammates but like even his current wife or girlfriend whoever it was like you could see his interactions with her he was just there because he likes how she makes him feel about himself right right um hank did you have any thoughts before we finish with billy's because i'm sure they're great uh yeah there's i had a few thoughts i thought the i thought the the dad stuff was like very very interesting in the sense that like it i can't imagine how complicated that is where it's like you're named after this guy who's not your dad and like he wasn't you know what i mean like it was it was a weird thing where he's like trying to decide what his last name even was um the fact that he was as good as he was when he was 15 people that say like steroids he's a cheater it's like he was winning triathlons when he was 15 he's really the best clearly the best athlete we're gonna talk about sosa mcguire like and barry bonds and like all the you you there is steroids can make you better but you you're still better than everyone else regardless and i think to your point uh talking about the last dance too and how lance obsessed with himself like the interviews the amount of interviews like michael jordan they were basically cutting from the interview he did like he did like two or three interviews he sat down twice he sat down twice they had like 35 different angles of interviews with lance armstrong like he they he must have been like okay let's do another take yeah let's do let's do another shoot like we got to do a whole whole new shoot like there were also like running around his town in colorado or whatever just like yeah hey having having a camera crew in a car follow him while he's jogging through the streets there were tons of those yeah yeah it was very much like still a shrine to lance i think he just reached the point where he doesn't care that uh a lot of people think that he's an asshole, or at least that's what he tells himself.
I think he's still— He's moved into the—Lance, you're looking in the mirror in the morning. You don't care what the assholes think, but you're going to think about them all day.
Right. You're going to think about everybody else.
It's going to consume you. I also was thinking after the MJ documentary and the fact that Brady's doing one, there's going to be be in about like three or four years, the oversaturation of athlete made athlete documentaries is going to, it's going to be tough.
Cause it's just tough when it's slanted. You can just tell when it's like, Billy, let me see your phone record.
It's not, it wasn't a filmmaker making Lance Armstrong documentary. They also didn't say why they dropped that final federal investigation.
Yeah. They kind of glossed that over.
It's like, well, Lance made a couple important phone calls. And now that's the thing that Lance is currently lying about is why the feds just dropped the case entirely.
That'll be another apology in three years. Another Oprah interview.
Is this a text to yourself? Yeah. No, it's not.
It's a text to myself. You put yourself in as king? That was in high school.
Okay. You're not in high school anymore.
I want to hear what you thought about the documentary without any of these notes. It was really interesting to see the psyche behind such a competitor and sort of hear about the preparation.
That's not the most... No, keep going.
I want the most generalized... I mean, in the lengths you would take to win.
You're just repeating what I was saying. This is the greatest thing ever.
Right up your alley. You literally have no other job.
I don't have ESPN for us. Keep going.
Keep going. I watched Icarus.
Okay. So what did you think about that with Lance? No, no.
So I researched all the steroids he did. And it's actually kind of interesting because they're not steroids or PDs in the traditional sense that that you know the the layman knows steroids they're not performance enhancing drugs yeah well they're not like blood doping yeah well they're not muscle they don't make your muscles bigger make you stronger the stuff that he was doing was epo which is something your body secretes when you're like have um pre-com yeah no no uh frostb it's trying to get your body secretes this chemical when you get frostbite to push oxygen to your regions of your body that don't have oxygen are about to fall off.
So and then he also did another compound, which I forget the name of right now, but it's extracted from calves blood, which is another oxygenating. That's our show.
I love Billy's whole takeaway was I didn't watch it, but also, dude, can I tell you guys about more steroids? Then he did a regular steroid. To be fair, Billy came into the office and he was like, I'm going to watch it on double speed.
I was like, Billy, it's not a podcast. You can't fast forward it.
You can't listen and watch it. What does that mean? You can do that on YouTube.
Oh, my God. All right.
Next week, we're going to watch something on YouTube. I'm picking.
I'm going to pick the documentary next week. It's something that Billy can find.
I'm picking the documentary next week. One other thing I had on here.
Do you remember that clip in this documentary where they had all the bicyclists talking about how dangerous the Tour de France was? That's what I didn't really show any bike crashes, which are my favorite. And how deadly it is and how if you make one false move, you're going to meet your maker instantly.
Yes. How many deaths do you think have taken place in the Tour de France since it started in 1903? I don't know.
They didn't show us any. 117 years of bicycling.
Three. 30.
Or five. Five.
Five. And the first one was a guy that went swimming in the Mediterranean Sea on an off day, and he had a heart attack or whatever.
Oh, was probably blood doping. Yeah, probably.
One other guy was probably doing coke during the tour. They talked about how they used to do bumps during the bike race.
What a way to go that is. More dangerous than steroids.
There have been 27 spectators that have died and three cyclists that have died.

So it's more dangerous to not ride in the Tour de France than it is to ride in the Tour de France.

But think about the road rash.

That's true.

They didn't think about that.

The chafing.

He also used poison.

PTSD from road rash.

Dude, road rash is a real thing.

I know.

It's like sliding in softball.

Yeah, it's like when you go in the ocean, you have to ride your bike home.

All right.

We'll see you on Monday.

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