Bills GM Brandon Beane, Jay Glazer, Christian Dawkins + Mt Flushmore Of States

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Speaker 4 On today's part of my take, we have three guests. Huh? We have three guests.
We have Brandon Bean, the GM of the Buffalo Bills, talk draft, talk Josh Allen, talk strategy,

Speaker 4 what a war room looks like. Really interesting interview with him.
We have our friend Jay Glazer on to explain what the hell happened yesterday.

Speaker 4 Also, I demanded an apology and he gave one to America, so that will make you feel a little better.

Speaker 4 And then we have Christian Dawkins from The Scheme, which hopefully you watch because it's a fascinating documentary out on HBO. So we talked to him.

Speaker 4 We also have Firefest and Mount Flushmore of States, which got a little contentious. Not actually contentious between us, but people are going to be pissed.

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Today is Friday.

Speaker 4 April 17th.

Speaker 4 We've made it, guys. Fifth week of the quarantine dusted.

Speaker 4 We've We've reached the apex. We're on the downhill right now.
We're cheering the apex. We can see sports in the future,

Speaker 4 even if we're going to have spring football, maybe for college football.

Speaker 4 I would not hate that idea.

Speaker 4 College football is the one sport where I think fans matter the most. Yes, we need football in the fall.
So hopefully, NFL. I could watch NFL games without fans.
I could bring myself to do that.

Speaker 4 But if we got spring football on the other side, then boom, we got spring college. We've got a better better XFL.
I don't know if I'd say better.

Speaker 4 You would rank XFL over college football? Well, the players in the XFL are the best college football players. I would still probably rank college football.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, I mean, listen, we're making it through this. We're making it through this.
It's the fifth week of quarantine. Every time we get to a Friday, pat yourself on the back.

Speaker 4 I'm telling you right now, you listening to this right now, good job this week doing nothing.

Speaker 4 We have breaking news. Yeah.
Allie Quigley has just been eliminated in the horse competition.

Speaker 4 So credit to her. She just saved Chicago from massive

Speaker 4 events. Oh, another Zach Levine beater.

Speaker 4 Okay, so we'll do that. So it's him in the finals against Mike Conley, if anybody cares.

Speaker 4 I'm so happy that I was adamant when they announced that horse was coming out and I said, this is going to suck. And everyone was like, no, it's sports.
We need sports. This sucked.

Speaker 4 I actually think if they had just done it on Periscope, it would have been fine. The fact they put it on TV, it ruined it.

Speaker 4 You know what they should do is they should just get like a random selection of 60-year-old dudes that used to play in college that just show up at YMCAs across the country and just have those guys compete.

Speaker 4 Like the guys with the sick, wet jump shots that don't miss from 15 feet. With 60-year-olds, you can't have them leaving their house.
But just put them in a gym, an isolated gym by themselves. Got it.

Speaker 4 Like, mixed in some of those guys. I'm sure some of those guys could compete.
Yeah, absolutely. Little hook shot, just a hook shot horse game.
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I'm just happy we made it through another week, guys. We did it.
We did it.

Speaker 4 It feels good. We did it.
You did it. We did it.
We all did it.

Speaker 4 But we have. Has anybody checked in on Charles Barkley? No, he just went silent.
He doesn't have social media. Yeah, he just said.
That makes sense.

Speaker 4 He said that he might have it, but he was just tired a couple weeks ago. He's just, he's, he's probably just hanging out, having a great time, not being bothered by anyone.

Speaker 4 All right, so we have Firefest, Mount Flushmore coming up, Brandon Bean, Bills GM, and we also have Christian Dawkins. But before we do that, we have to get to the bottom of Jay Glazer's big poo-poo.

Speaker 4 That's what I'm calling it. Jay Glazer's big poo-poo.
What about his big oopsie? His big oopsie. He called in.
He owned up. Well, we had to kind of get him to apologize.
But we like Jay.

Speaker 4 It was probably, it was just that we're. What do you do? He doesn't understand.
So he said we have big, I have big national news, not a transaction, coming at 11 o'clock on Wednesday night.

Speaker 4 Everyone, of course, is thinking, oh my God, he's going to say the NFL season is going to be fine because all we're thinking about right now is give us good news. It wasn't that.

Speaker 4 It was that Rams center, what's his name? Brian.

Speaker 4 Bry guy. Brian.

Speaker 4 Bry guy had

Speaker 4 coronavirus, had it. He's already okay.
He's on the other side. So we all were like, wait, that was the big news? What the fuck?

Speaker 4 It's also unfortunate that the day after this big news came out, Von Miller said that he has it. Right.
So recurring guests, thoughts and prayers to him. Hope he makes a full recovery.

Speaker 4 But everyone got Brian. And to Brian Bob.
No, Brian's got to be. Brian got recovered.
He's recovered.

Speaker 4 But that's extra thoughts and prayers to him. Hank's pants pulled up? What's going on?

Speaker 4 His ass cracked. Yeah, Hank.
You can see your ass crack while you're sitting down. Hank's pants always fall down because he has no ass.
Stand up.

Speaker 4 Stand up, but don't adjust. Let's get you some.

Speaker 4 Now turn around.

Speaker 4 Let's see the back. Now pull up your shirt.
Pull up your shirt. Oh, that's not as bad as that.

Speaker 4 I've seen much worse. I don't know how you pulled that up.
That was sneaky what you just did. All right, yeah, but so Jay.

Speaker 4 Jay had an oopsie and he got crucified.

Speaker 4 And what we're doing is speaking for the common fan because I know personally, I was very upset when I found out that the news wasn't the news that the NFL was coming back.

Speaker 4 I was upset that this was built up all day because I don't think what Jay fully calculated. Jay probably has a life.

Speaker 4 The rest of us don't have a life anymore. Yeah, I set an alarm at 8 a.m.
yesterday being like, hey, I have to wake up if I'm asleep at 11 all day.

Speaker 4 By the way, holy shit. I can't wait for Jay Glazers.
11 p.m. is a preposterous time to break news.
It also is,

Speaker 4 I'll own a little bit of this. When he said, I have big news coming tomorrow at 11 p.m., we should have probably figured out that it wasn't like some news that Adam Schefter in Raphael had.

Speaker 4 Because like, they would have just

Speaker 4 there. Yeah, so we should have known.
But that's not how my brain works. Yeah, also, it's crazy if that news had been released a month earlier, it would have been Earth Shatter.

Speaker 4 He would have been the Rudy Gobert of the NFL, and maybe after him, the entire world would have shut down. And we're happy Bride Guy's okay, but it also looks like Brian.

Speaker 4 We thought it was going to be like, you know,

Speaker 4 Jay already announced like three weeks ago, so he's okay. So it's like, I didn't have a time to mourn

Speaker 4 for Bride Guy's fight. Do you think that Jared and Blake got checked up? Because they're the ones that stick their hands in his butt all the time to to take the snaps.
Jared's got a sick-ass mustache.

Speaker 4 He does. Jared does look awesome.
So sick. He looks so sick.
He looks sick. I hope not.
No. Ill.
Okay. Wait, he looks ill.
Ill, as the kids say. He does.

Speaker 4 What? Piff. Piff?

Speaker 4 That's a fake word. He looks to me.

Speaker 4 That's a real word. What you're doing to me.
That's piff. He looks fetch.

Speaker 4 When I say I'm piff, it's like code for like, I'm the biggest loser ever. No.
Piff is real. No, I'm piff, bro.
Piff. Piff? Yeah.
Got that piff.

Speaker 4 Okay. Why'd you do the okay, the white nationalist?

Speaker 4 What the fuck? No. Okay, all right.
I can see your ass again, Hank. Yeah, I can see your ass.
You guys are pulling up. I think you guys are going your ass.
Pull it up right now. You're bagging.
Whoa.

Speaker 4 So that's bad. No, like, piff.
Like. A spliff? Marijuana.
Crack. Good marijuana.

Speaker 4 Oh, it's like dope. Yes, piff.

Speaker 4 Sick.

Speaker 4 You're headed. No, Kush is a type.
Yeah, but it's like mad Kush. Nope.
Nope. Nope.
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When I went to Colorado last time, I smoked this stuff called Ghost Dog.

Speaker 4 It was the. How can you not buy Ghost Dog? Yeah, that's Jon Snow's Wolf.
Ghost Piff. Yeah, they're like, hey, you want some Ghost Dog?

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, you had me at Ghost, and then you sealed the deal at Dog.

Speaker 4 All right, let's get to, we digress, but let's do, let's get Jay Glazer on the phone.

Speaker 4 Okay, we now welcome on a good friend, recurring guest, Jay Glazer, NFL Insider, also MVP organization, which we always shout out.

Speaker 4 Jay, we had to have you on because I don't know if you realize this, but you really pissed off America.

Speaker 8 Dude, I totally shut my phone off a couple days, and all I've watched is the Tiger King. I have no idea what's going on.

Speaker 4 Okay, all right. So, walk us through it because from my perspective, and listen, I know you.
Um,

Speaker 4 you know, you've been on with us, I'm not about

Speaker 8 the way it's being perceived is not, is not my, it's never my M.O. And look, what I, what I, the thing that I wish I didn't do now is, um,

Speaker 8 well, so I went on Fox Sports Radio the other night. Look, I work for Fox, so I have to, you know,

Speaker 8 on Sundays during Fox NFL Sunday, I hold stuff from for the show that I'm going to do. Always do it.
I always have. And I lose a lot of scoops that way, but I work for a network.

Speaker 8 I don't work for Twitter and I don't work for ESPN or NFL network where it's Sports Center 24-7.

Speaker 8 So I do things for a show. When Brian Allen and I talked about this, he agreed to do this and wanted to get his message out for the show.
So when I was on Fox Sports Radio, the other night with

Speaker 8 Jason Smith and those guys who I love, they were like joking around as I was talking about. I was trying to promote the show who was on and they were joking around.

Speaker 8 And I was like, guys, no, this is, I'm serious. I'm not kidding.
I've got some national news that I'm breaking. And they kept joking around.
I'm like, no, I'm serious. I got national news.

Speaker 8 This is national, which is national. By national news, I meant it wasn't like sports news.
It was, it's not NFL news. It's like real news, you know? And I was like, no, I have real breaking news.

Speaker 8 And I'm like, I'm serious. I'm not kidding.
So when they put it in a tweet form and all you see is, I've got big national news.

Speaker 8 I'm not kidding I wish then I went on Twitter with a video and said no no God what I meant was I'm really not kidding like I'm trying to be serious here and and it's not something you should joke about is what I meant so I woke up the next day and I get calls from like all these people like oh my god what's the big breaking news I'm like what the hell are you all talking about and like I really had no idea what anybody was talking about and that was um that was yesterday and then it'd be like all these pop sports what are they gonna say you have big breaking news and i'm like and i was texting back whoever sent me up like no it's it's about the virus it's not like you guys think so I only tweeted out no folks it's not a trend and I try to tell people it's not a transactional thing it's not like some I'm not I'm not breaking something that someone's getting traded or something somebody's getting um

Speaker 8 somebody's retiring or somebody's signing that's not what it is and I looked at it like look it was serious national news because it's the first active player we know who had it and um then I would say I got crushed Like it was like, oh, you're using this to pump up your ratings.

Speaker 8 And why didn't you put it out beforehand? Because that's not how it works. Like you work for a TV network for a show.
That's where you do your news.

Speaker 8 And, you know, even Brian and I were talking to Brian. It's like, oh, my God, this is like, and I'm like, oh, my God, it's getting out of control.

Speaker 8 But I couldn't tweet out the news. That's not what he and I agreed upon.
It's, I, he, you know, wanted to put this story out also with me so

Speaker 8 we could show people what he went through and that he is coming through the other side.

Speaker 8 But to show people symptoms, like he, and I wrote it today for the athletic fully, the symptoms he told me, like I didn't really, I didn't know how bad it gets when you hear people say they lose their smell or their taste.

Speaker 8 He lost his smell to the point where he was using smelling salts and got nothing, zero. And God knows I know about smelling salts.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8 And his taste, he said, I have no, I only have, I feel texture. I don't feel any taste.
So I thought it was important to get out there.

Speaker 8 And, you know, I'm sorry that everybody wants me to break, like, if the Cam Newton's going somewhere or oh, Dell's getting traded, and that got screwed up, but that's never how it was.

Speaker 8 I was trying to show people, no, no, it's not that. And I'm not the one, like, I didn't come on.
I, you know, I was trying to, and I should have clarified, but what I meant was serious news.

Speaker 8 Like, I'm serious. I meant it was serious.
It was a dude's life. Yeah,

Speaker 4 you got caught. You got caught in the promo machine by a tweet that quoted you from an interview.

Speaker 4 And you, you probably would you have uh tweeted out like in anticipation like hey tomorrow night i have very serious news breaking on on fox sports or or whatever the name of the show is

Speaker 8 i didn't like i did yesterday i wasn't like him hey coming on i don't think i if i did it was like um

Speaker 8 i think i had the tweeted out that sean mcvayne and jonathan taylor and we have one of our mvp combat vets john fulmer coming on to give us an incredible story about this key around his neck that he got and kicking in a door in a mission in Mosul is incredible.

Speaker 8 But anyway,

Speaker 8 I don't think I put out of anything like, hey, I have this big breaking news. It was just me talking to these guys and they were promoing the show.

Speaker 8 And then I was like, I actually got something tomorrow night that's national news.

Speaker 8 It's going to end up being big national news, which anytime somebody has the virus, it's a professional athlete, or in sports, it's going to be big national news.

Speaker 8 And that's really where I was going with it. And even like today, people are like, you're not taking responsibility.
I'm like,

Speaker 8 this is responsibility. Hey, this is the the responsibility I'm taking.

Speaker 4 You don't like it? I'm sorry. Okay, so, all right, we're good.
So, so,

Speaker 4 from my perspective, because I want to explain like the fans' perspective, the dumb person's perspective, because that's what I consider myself. I see national news.
I'm a captive audience.

Speaker 4 I got nowhere to fucking go. I'm stuck in my house.
I'm looking for someone to tell me something.

Speaker 4 Right. Someone to tell me something about football being back, or Roger Goodell bought an island, or this is all going to be okay.

Speaker 4 And I'm sitting there like 11 p.m. You know, Eastern Time.

Speaker 4 Jay Glazer is going to tell us that either, obviously, like Odell Beckham is traded, which you said it wasn't going to be a transactional, but you're going to tell us news that will make us feel good about football coming back.

Speaker 4 So, can you at least apologize to those people?

Speaker 8 No, but you guys said that. I never said that all of you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but

Speaker 4 that's how we think.

Speaker 8 Now, listen, I wish that I could have come back.

Speaker 8 I wish this wasn't wasn't the story that I had.

Speaker 8 I couldn't tell you that enough. I wish this wasn't the story that I have.
You think I want any of my friends having the virus?

Speaker 4 Hell no. Right.
I don't want anybody I know having the virus.

Speaker 8 Absolutely not.

Speaker 8 What I'm glad I've been able to get out what his symptoms are.

Speaker 8 And even, look, the more people that are angry at me, the more people are going to click on that and see what his symptoms are and what they're because Brian also didn't know. Somehow he didn't know.

Speaker 8 He's like, I didn't know loss of smell and taste were symptoms. And my friends were telling me, and that's why I got tested.
I'm like, how do you not know? He's like, I'm just rehabbing.

Speaker 8 I got my head. You know, I'm, I've got my head down.
I'm just rehabbing. I'm not watching all the stuff on the news.
I'm trying not to.

Speaker 8 So, you know, I hope that people in their anger will click on and see it. But I hear you.
Like, I wish it was.

Speaker 4 Just say sorry. I wish I had

Speaker 4 some dumb idiots.

Speaker 4 Yeah. But just say sorry to America.
Like, we're sad.

Speaker 4 We thought you were going to tell us good news.

Speaker 8 I get you, but it's incredible how angry.

Speaker 8 Like, remember last year when I said Odell's getting traded and everybody, the anger toward me, and I tweeted out that thing about how big top people are getting.

Speaker 8 Like, I don't know what it is when I do something because my track record is good. I don't get anything wrong.
But now, my track record is just crappy.

Speaker 4 Well, how about this? How about we give you a little opportunity for redemption? Do you have any sort of like red meat you can throw out about maybe like

Speaker 4 some nugget that you've heard about the NFL coming back?

Speaker 8 Yeah, Odell's not getting traded to Vikings.

Speaker 4 Okay, what about the NFL coming back?

Speaker 8 But here's the thing. I don't want to tell anybody that without being 100% right because that's the worst thing you could ever do to anybody.

Speaker 4 No, I disagree. I think if you just gave us some hope right now, even if it's like 50-50, that's going to buy you a lot of good will.

Speaker 8 They're going to do whatever they can. I think they're going to do whatever they can,

Speaker 8 even if it's, we already saw that they're saying without

Speaker 8 fans of the stands or whatever. I think that without a doubt, they're going to, look.

Speaker 8 And this is why everybody got so angry, is because what we are in sports is escapism. And instead of giving people an escape last night i gave them more coronavirus stories yeah but it also

Speaker 8 it is my job but

Speaker 4 but

Speaker 4 it also was probably because

Speaker 8 it also probably was because it was an offensive lineman and it was he had the coronavirus three weeks ago you have to say that's crappy too because that's not fair to him no that's that's crap to him you know it's oh because it was a bigger name then people would have been like oh wow that's crappy to him he's don't let's not judge human value value on no i agree a star player or not that's crappy to him i agree

Speaker 4 it's more it's more that it's more that we we hype the news up so much and that might not have been right on our account but that's

Speaker 4 yeah

Speaker 4 because we need news

Speaker 4 we need something uh-huh we need it we're dying out you're not actually dying that was that was the wrong choice of words we're we're desperate for news how about this jay have you heard anything at all i know your boys are robbowski i know for a fact that you talked to Rob Bronkowski.

Speaker 4 Is he coming back?

Speaker 8 I don't think he... Look, when we were training

Speaker 8 at the gym on Unbreakable About, you know, he had to come back by a certain time. And he's way fairer than he ever has been, right?

Speaker 8 So we were even talking about what it would take for him to come back. And he was never like, all right, I need a new program because I got to bulk back up.
He's way fair, way fair.

Speaker 8 Body's not even close to how it was when he played. So he'd have to change everything around pretty fast.

Speaker 8 But also, I don't see him going to Bucs with, they got two tight ends there.

Speaker 4 Still trying to get rid of O.J. Howard, though.

Speaker 8 And Cameron Braid.

Speaker 8 But the Patriots still own his rights.

Speaker 8 So why would they just be like, oh, yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 They would trade him because they could get something for him.

Speaker 8 No,

Speaker 8 I don't see that happening.

Speaker 8 If they're trying to prove that they can women out Brady, then they're going to want Gronk there. They're not going to just be like, oh, yeah, let's just send him to the guy who left us.

Speaker 8 Let's send him to go help him.

Speaker 4 They're not going to do that. I think Belichick would rather have some asset than have nothing at all because Gronk's not going to come back and play for New England.

Speaker 8 The asset is Rob Grinkowski. If he says I'm coming back, then they're going to be like, oh,

Speaker 8 why would the Patriots not say, okay, we'll take the Hall of Famer here? You know what I mean? He doesn't control it. They have his rights.

Speaker 4 Well, he could always say he's not going to play for New England, right?

Speaker 8 Then he doesn't play anywhere. They have his rights.

Speaker 4 Just say sorry to me, Jay.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry. There we go.

Speaker 4 And I'll accept it on behalf of America. And, Jay, I always have your back.

Speaker 4 I had your back last night because I knew that there was a little bit more to the story and that you weren't going out of your way to just like hype up something about the coronavirus to get people to watch.

Speaker 4 You got trapped in the spin cycle of promotion. You got crap, did I?

Speaker 4 Jay, stay safe. I accept your apology on behalf of all of our fans in America.
You're good now in our books. You always were good, but you're extra good.

Speaker 4 And hopefully we see you sooner than later, okay?

Speaker 8 Yeah, man. I appreciate it.
I hope you guys are staying safe, man.

Speaker 8 I just found out a friend of mine,

Speaker 8 I found out a couple of friends of mine got, but it's like crazy. So just anybody you hear, any friends of yours have, make sure you call them and go out of your way.
Say, hey, do you need anything?

Speaker 8 If they have kids, especially,

Speaker 8 could we watch your kids? Could we get you guys groceries? Can we get you supplies? Just call your people.

Speaker 4 Okay, can I watch your kids?

Speaker 4 Can I get your kid groceries? No. No.
Okay, I just asked. You did ask.
All right, it's a good message, though. You're right, Jay.

Speaker 4 Take care of each other. Take care of each other.

Speaker 8 Take care of each other during this time.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

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Speaker 4 Okay, Fire Fest of the Week. Henry Lockwood.
Daniel, do it. That was weird.

Speaker 4 Why? I don't know. You never called me Henry Well, it seems as if you guys were playing

Speaker 4 your stool streams and you give yourself a stern Henry? Yeah, you refer to yourself as Henry more than anybody else calls you Henry. Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 4 I mean, I was referred to as Henry up until I started working here, so it's like. And then you were handsome Hank.
Then I was handsome Hank. Now I like the name Honk, though.
Honk is a good name.

Speaker 4 Honk's good. Now, did you decide to go by Hank? Is this one of those things where you're like, I'm 18 now, I'm going to take my name into my own hands? Or did somebody just start calling you Henry?

Speaker 4 No, KFC, KFC Barcelo, actually, like one of my first days was just like, call me Handsome Hank. And that was kind of it.

Speaker 4 Did you have a beard then? Nope, nobody. And you had a girlfriend? It was kind of ironic.
I think it was an ironic handsome Hank thing, but it stuck.

Speaker 4 But yeah. Anyway, speaking of girlfriend, I was playing Call of Duty on stream, part of my take Twitch, and my girl, I got killed in an embarrassing fashion.
Girlfriend was watching me.

Speaker 4 She roasted the shit out of me, and then the clip got posted to Twitter, got posted to the main Barcelona Sports Instagram page, which has like 10 million followers, and they didn't even have the decency to tag me.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 I was basically subject to just getting roasted all over the internet by everyone.

Speaker 4 What did they caption it? Where they're like, look at this sad sucker getting roasted by his girlfriend. Loser plays Call of Duty.

Speaker 4 It was pretty much something. I would love to see the YouTube screen on that one where it's just Hank's face looking really upset and then big bubble letters behind you.

Speaker 4 Simp Boy gets killed in Call of Duty and in real life.

Speaker 4 Quigs, it got posted on TikTok too, and Quiggs went out of his way to say the simp thing. So he's on my shit list.

Speaker 4 Okay. Hold on.
I'm trying to find it. Simp Boy.
When your own girlfriend starts roasting your Call of Duty skills, that hurts.

Speaker 4 Simp girlfriend gives no GGs to boyfriend in Call of Duty. GGs.

Speaker 4 GGS.

Speaker 4 That's what it is. So

Speaker 4 GGS? Yeah. What? What is GGS? Good game.
Oh, good game. Okay, good soldier? Yeah.
Oh, stolen valor. So

Speaker 4 anyone who sees Hank out on the streets, or obviously not now, but when the world comes back to normal, please do not say, hey, what's up, Hank?

Speaker 4 Say, are you the dude who got roasted by his girlfriend because he sucks at Call of Duty? That would be awesome if Hank became a YouTube star, but every single clip was just Rhea making fun of him.

Speaker 4 Yeah, just you freak. Oh,

Speaker 4 you should actually tap into that. That's a good marketing.
Like, have Rhea come in after every single time you have a bad loss and be like, I'm done having bad losses. No, that's not true.

Speaker 4 Only dubs from here on. That's not true.
I got one last night. I'm going to get one later tonight.
I'm going to get one tomorrow, and I'm going to get one the next day. You got one against PFT? Yep.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I did. I did.

Speaker 4 Three out of five. It was supposed to be best out of seven.
Yeah. Not going to make excuses, though.
Okay. PFT, what's your fire fest?

Speaker 4 My fire fest is I lost to Hank in three out of five in ping pong, and so now I'm going to hear it from him and from you

Speaker 4 for a while now until we get back in there. It was, as I said, supposed to be best out of seven.
My spin zone is number one.

Speaker 4 U.S. rugby comes in second place all the time, and sometimes if you do that enough, you can be first place.

Speaker 4 My second spin zone is just basically that I have nowhere to go but up from here, and it's good to have a loss early in the season than it is to have one, say, in like the ACC championship game

Speaker 4 getting ready for the game. That is my firefest.
And like, potentially for a national championship. So I've got some time to work my way back.
I'm very grateful for that.

Speaker 4 And I want the computers to know I'm going to be really focusing on whatever analytics you have that I need to succeed at. I will do that.
I will work my way back.

Speaker 4 I'm going to do the Tim Tebow speech. You'll never see a person work harder than me at ping pong for the rest of your life.
I will work so hard. I promise I'm very excited to work hard.
And

Speaker 4 we'll post. If you didn't see it on the Twitch, we will post the full YouTube video.
It will be up right now.

Speaker 4 And if you didn't see it on my Twitter, PFT served the ball, and then it hit right back into his face.

Speaker 4 That was some fuzzy editing right there. Incredible moments.
It's amazing what you can do a deep fakes these days. That's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 4 My other Fire Fest of the Week was I watched the Red Wedding and I didn't have a camera on myself to capture my reaction because person watches red wedding reaction videos are also very, very lucrative on YouTube.

Speaker 4 So I'm an idiot for not doing that. Two girls, one cup.

Speaker 4 That was a sneeze. Don't worry.

Speaker 4 That's not part of coronavirus. Sneezing is not part of coronavirus.
I've had to explain that a lot.

Speaker 4 That was also one of those sneezes that just, you know, when you just, a sneeze just jumps in your nose? It's not anything. It's a ghost.
Yeah, it's a ghost. I got a ghost.
All right, my Fire Fest.

Speaker 4 Yeah, PFT alluded to it.

Speaker 4 I fucking shit the bed so bad. I played in the ACC Championship game.
I love our Fire Fest are just like playing games at this point. But

Speaker 4 I guess we have a good life right now. But I had the ACC Championship game.
Gus Duggerton spot in the national title. Jameis Winston threw six interceptions.
Well, you abandoned your game plan.

Speaker 4 I coached. You completely abandoned your game plan.
I coached. Completely.
Like a straight-up bitch. Like, no two ways about it.

Speaker 4 If we were reacting to my game on this show, we would be roasting Gus Duggerton for one of the worst coaching performances of all time.

Speaker 4 Panicked, left the run behind, didn't run my Heisman running back at all, just chucked it up up and threw six interceptions. You were playing against Georgia Tech, right? Georgia Tech.

Speaker 4 Were they running a triple option against you? Yes, because that's tough to defend right there.

Speaker 4 Your team hasn't seen an offense like that all year. This is a bad time to run into that.
They had two Heisman finalists, and I don't know what it is about the NCAA game, the franchise, but

Speaker 4 if you go enough years into the dynasty mode, Navy and Georgia Tech are always awesome.

Speaker 4 Always. Where's the game being played? Charlotte.
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 That's a pro-Georgia Tech crowd right there. But here's a spin zone.
I am playing in the Fiesta Bowl tonight against UConn. Okay.
Three-lost UConn.

Speaker 4 The new civil conflict. Listen, yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 If you can't play in the national championship game, actually, I'd rather play in the Fiesta Bowl. You got all the allure.

Speaker 4 For all the Tostitos, you got to make a trophy. You have to make a new civil conflict.
Yes, I actually have someone working on that. And if you lose, send it to UConn.

Speaker 4 We might have an extra bucket here, but you need to fill up a Gatorade bath and bath yourself in Tostitos. Oh, my couch.
Yeah, I don't think that would play.

Speaker 4 The electric.

Speaker 4 battle. Oh, with Tostitos, yes.
I was thinking with Gatorade. No, Stella would have the time of her life.
No, like the, yeah, like the guy with French fries.

Speaker 4 Listen, not trying to point fingers, but last night I played the ACC championship game, and my passing coordinator,

Speaker 4 Stella, had already gone to bed. So again, not pointing fingers.
No, she was up in the booth. She usually sits right next to me while I whisper into the mic on Twitch.

Speaker 4 She had already put herself to bed. Do you think that maybe it's time to put Coach Gus Duggerton up in the booth? He's been in the booth.
He's too fat to stand up.

Speaker 4 Well, then bring him down to the sideline.

Speaker 4 He can't stand for that long. I feel like bring him down to the sideline in like a Hugh Freeze hospital bed and just have him motoring around on his own little boogermobile.
It was so sad.

Speaker 4 I was so, so bad. There's nothing worse than just being so bad at a video game and having people watch so you can't restart it.
Like, I would have restarted if I was sitting at home. Of course.

Speaker 4 Shout out to the guy that does the Coach Doug's deep fakes that aren't deep fakes.

Speaker 4 We'll post a video like on Instagram or on the blog or whatever. One of the craziest visuals.
I love this guy. One of the craziest visuals I've ever seen.
Jaw-dropping stuff.

Speaker 4 Gus Duggerton's a very handsome man. This guy's a handsome man.

Speaker 4 But basically, what happened is I created a faked coach, and then a listener who lives in Jacksonville, who's a die-hard Florida State fan, was like, oh, that guy looks like me. And then just started.

Speaker 4 You might as well become him. And just started putting on the Florida State gear and being like, let's go, coach.

Speaker 4 I don't know how this works in this world.

Speaker 4 I actually think that if we go long enough in this quarantine, we should just start creating random players and coaches and seeing if people can find them in real life.

Speaker 4 You know, it would be great if that guy actually got some interest in being like an

Speaker 4 offensive coordinator or maybe even just like a quality control guy at a D3 school. He should.
Because he'll get some buzz on Twitter. Although maybe not after my performance at the ACC championship.

Speaker 4 That's fine. You got to see the ACC championship game.
Are you even a head coaching offer? Yes. Not after this.
Dude, I had the Heisman Trophy winner. But imagine if you lose the ACC Championship.

Speaker 4 I would not hire Coach Gus Duggerton coming off a performance like this.

Speaker 4 If this was your Kyle Shanahan Super Bowl moment and you bitched out, Colin McClow. I am Colin McCloud.
Colin McCloud, I am guaranteeing a Fiesta Bowl victory. Guaranteeing it.

Speaker 4 No way I lose in the Fiesta Bowl. What if you don't? What if you lose? I will not because I'm going to change the sliders so much in my favor that there is no chance I lose.

Speaker 4 I think if you lose, you have to do like a Dave Chappelle. Take a couple years off, a couple seasons on.
No chance I lose. Go hang out.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 like go to the, where would a guy like Gus Duggar be? Applebee's, he's been, he's actually got a $27,000 bill at Applebee's in Tallahassee.

Speaker 4 He'd probably go to like Montana and just fly fish for a couple years. No, clear his mind.

Speaker 4 And then being back.

Speaker 4 He would just kind of just chill out in like a nice leather chair and just fart into it for five years. A real fire fest of the week that's not about our video games and sitting on couch watching TVs.

Speaker 4 Well, this is actually like very appropriate for how the world is now. The only exciting moments we have is our simulated life.

Speaker 4 And you know what? I got crazy.

Speaker 4 I got mad at myself.

Speaker 4 I was getting as amped up as I've gotten in months. I got so mad at myself for not seeing the red wedding coming because I knew it was coming at some point.

Speaker 4 I didn't know which characters were going to be in it. It's wild.
But for not putting two and two together that a bridge guy would do it. Like, don't fuck with a bridge guy.

Speaker 4 That's the one thing.

Speaker 4 There's a family.

Speaker 4 Their entire family's purpose is to hang out next to a bridge and punish people that renege on their promises to cross said bridge. Of course, it's going to be that loser that does it.

Speaker 4 But a real fire fest, this is for a long time die-hard listener of the show. Our thoughts and prayers go out to you, the Davin Busters guy.
Yes.

Speaker 4 Because he has not been able to go to Davin Busters for a month and a half. But you know what? And his girlfriend loves Busters more than one thing.
You know what? I think that that guy right now...

Speaker 4 I actually envision that Davin Buster's guy is probably dealing with this whole thing better than anyone else.

Speaker 4 No, no, no, no, no. Hear me out.
Hear me out. Hear me out.
He's like, listen,

Speaker 4 I'm thinking about the betterment of the world. I have to just sit out for this.

Speaker 4 But the moment all he's done every single night since we've been in quarantine is dreaming about his return to Dave and Busters. And he has that.

Speaker 4 Like, a lot of people don't have the thing that they're going to be like, I can't wait to go back to work. Okay, cool.
This guy. can't wait to go back to Dave and Busters.

Speaker 4 I think he's not dealing well. I think that he's probably got a house that's filled with, like, he's got Golden Tea arcade games.
He's purchased an NBA Jam arcade game.

Speaker 4 He's He's got that bowling game where you spin the ball. I think he's, like, trying to turn...

Speaker 4 He's probably reached out to Exhibit and been like, hey, can you pimp my van and turn my entire van into a skee-ball machine?

Speaker 4 I think he's...

Speaker 4 I'm just saying. He could surprise people.

Speaker 4 He could surprise.

Speaker 4 I just imagine that he's just like, you know what? It's God's will that we had to close Davin Buster's. You're giving Davin Buster's guy a very healthy outlook on life.

Speaker 4 Well, that's because I actually think that he is unpredictable to that point where when you think you can predict him, he'll do the opposite. What do you think he misses most?

Speaker 4 The games, the food, or the prizes?

Speaker 4 He's not a prize guy. I don't think he's a prize guy.
I would say incorrect to all of them. And how about just the ambiance? The atmosphere.

Speaker 4 Yeah, just the electricity that goes through the air when you walk into a Dave and Buster. You walk in and you hear six air hockey tables going at once.
It's like God's slot machine in there. Yep.

Speaker 4 It's wonderful. Yep.
All right.

Speaker 4 He's probably going to like gas stations to play the claw machine. The sound of an air hockey table turning on and like being activated.

Speaker 4 If you don't put your hand down next to an air hockey table like it's like it's the fire burner at Benny Hanna right when you turn it on, you and I can't. You gotta feel it.

Speaker 4 That feels so good just having that delicate air come up to you like the world's softest bowling air blower. It's beautiful.

Speaker 4 All right, let's get to our interview. We got Bill's GM Brandon Bean.

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Speaker 4 And now,

Speaker 4 Bill's GM, Brandon Bean.

Speaker 4 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Bills, Buffalo Bills GM, Brandon Bean.
We appreciate you joining us. I know you're busy getting ready for the draft.

Speaker 4 I think the question that you know is coming and that all of our fans want us to ask before we get into this year's draft and everything else, how much did draft Josh Allen play a part in you drafting Josh Allen?

Speaker 11 It was every bit. I mean,

Speaker 11 if you guys didn't put that together, Josh Allen wouldn't be in Buffalo. You know that.

Speaker 11 That was the first thing I checked when I was going through which quarterback we really wanted to try and trade up and get. And I owe you guys big time.

Speaker 4 Yes. Yes.
Thank you. We love Josh Allen.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You've been doing a lot of media this week. I've noticed that.
That's a little bit unusual for a general manager. So we'll let you just have the floor.

Speaker 4 You tell us what misinformation you've been trying to get out there, what smoke screens you want to put out, and then we'll just let that. Yeah, we'll do that.
Yeah, give us your top three first.

Speaker 4 So it's right at the top.

Speaker 11 Honestly, the only reason, you know, I'm usually trying to avoid the media this time of year until I can get through the draft

Speaker 11 to your point on the smoke screens.

Speaker 11 But no, honestly, just been trying to get the word out, you know, to raise money in Buffalo for the covet 19 and the fun that we've got partnered with the united way but um other than that you know we're uh uh we're just trying to get adjusted and and there's really no smokescreens heck we're not picking in the first round due to the due to the digs trade so uh we're gonna have to watch and and then kind of make some decisions after thursday's uh uh first round so you you mentioned that that was actually gonna be my next question without a first round draft pick is there more pressure or less pressure when you're going to draft night because i'm sure you're sitting there being like well we don't have to to pick for a while.

Speaker 4 But are you still like, we got to make our picks count and maybe we'll try to trade up in the first round?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, we definitely have to, you know,

Speaker 11 make the most of this draft. We got us and I think Pittsburgh and Houston, we probably got the three

Speaker 11 least value of picks remaining. You know, if you don't have that first-round pick, it's so valuable.

Speaker 11 So obviously we traded it for Diggs, who, you know, we just, we thought at the end of the day that what we could get at 22 wasn't going to be the player that Diggs is.

Speaker 11 And so that's why we made the move. But it will be hard.
I'm very passionate about my draft picks. So rarely are you going to see,

Speaker 11 as long as I'm here, the Buffalo Bills trade in number one. But this was just, you know, a move.

Speaker 11 And especially in light of what's going on around our country, we don't even know what kind of offseason we're going to have. So to be able to get a veteran versus

Speaker 11 school and a rookie up, we just thought made the most sense this year. So to your question, it's going to be hard.
You know,

Speaker 11 I'm going to struggle watching the first round, but I'll be excited when it's over because at that point, I can start figuring out who's on the board and who we can try and scheme to get.

Speaker 11 But I don't see us going in the first round.

Speaker 4 So since you guys don't have a first round pick, do you still do your due diligence and you make a full big board, including the top guys like Joe Burrow, Tua, all those guys?

Speaker 4 Or are they actually like printed out on a board in your office?

Speaker 11 No,

Speaker 11 we still go through the process because, and we did a lot of this in February before the combine.

Speaker 11 You know, I try, and you know, me and and my staff, a lot of work on what these players are before we go meet them and watch them run 40s, whether they're good 40s or bad 40s.

Speaker 11 Let's grade on what we saw in the fall more than anything else. So, no, we did a lot of work.

Speaker 11 Now, I will say, once we traded the pick, at this point, we've kind of slotted off and said, all right, who are the automatics? Who are the guys we know right now? going in the top 10, top 12,

Speaker 11 top 15 that, you know, and honestly, we came up with about 20 names that we're like, these guys are all going in the first round. Doesn't matter, you know, which team.

Speaker 11 So after those 20, we've really focused on the rest because, you know, late first to end the two. I mean, you look at a guy like DK Metcalf last year.

Speaker 11 A lot of people had him going high in the first round.

Speaker 7 He falls to late two.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.
So, all right. So this might be a very stupid question, and you can tell me if it's stupid, but

Speaker 4 sitting there,

Speaker 4 you're you're sitting on your computer, you know that some of these experts are talking to everyone.

Speaker 4 Do you read the mock drafts that, you know, Mike, or not Mike Mayock anymore, Daniel Jeremiah, Mel Kuyper, Todd McShea, do you read those that they put out and be like, all right, maybe I can get some information from here that tells me what everyone else is thinking about?

Speaker 11 You know, I look at it, it's good bathroom reading.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 11 I do flip it on once in a while. It's a good time.

Speaker 11 No distractions and, you know, flip around and and see what you know those guys they have intel and and they're using team needs and things like that and as it honestly until it gets close you really don't pay attention that much i do think some of these guys um do have some pretty good intel when it gets close people start talking uh you know around teams and around the league but at the end of the day I use it more analytically as far as

Speaker 11 you know, putting a composite of a lot of mocks. And you can kind of figure out by the these are the consensus over 50 mocks that are we call somewhat credible.
And these are the consensus guys.

Speaker 11 It's not necessarily the order, but at least it's the guys that you know, hey, in 48 out of these 50,

Speaker 11 this guy is gone in the first round or gone when you pick 35.

Speaker 4 So, all right, so going off that question, because this is just a little quick follow-up that I'm always interested in.

Speaker 4 How much, what's the mandate when it comes to your scouts on how much they're allowed to talk to the media? Because I would assume they can get information coming back.

Speaker 4 So you want to let them at least have contacts. But are you like, hey, if you guys say anything to anyone, it's over?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, pretty much.

Speaker 11 I'm of the belief loose lips sink ships. And I would rather not have the intel than lose it.
So I really don't have my crew and Sean does a good job of having our coaches.

Speaker 11 This time of year, it's lay low. And less is more right now.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you worked very closely with Dave Gettelman in Carolina. Do you, I know that he probably impacted the way that you think about putting a football team together a little bit.

Speaker 4 Do you also believe that real swag is no swag?

Speaker 11 Dave, Dave's a swaggy guy.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 what's the real swagger? In what way is Dave Gettleman a swaggy guy? I'm interested.

Speaker 11 Dave's the only GM that walks around the office and flip-flops.

Speaker 4 Oh, okay.

Speaker 11 I give him props for that.

Speaker 11 He's a proud man.

Speaker 11 He calls his toes his puppies.

Speaker 11 Dave is a lot of fun to work for and work with, but he's got his own kind of swag. He really does.

Speaker 11 I got nothing but good things to say about Dave.

Speaker 4 How do you think he's going to deal with the computer situation on draft night? Because we did see the picture tweeted out of him at a computer, and it looked like he had never turned on a computer.

Speaker 4 No, he had a big binder in between him and the computer. It's like, this binder is what I'm actually using.
The computer is a paperweight. Yeah, so how, do you, is he a computer guy?

Speaker 11 You can't trust him. Dave's smart, man.
He's putting you, he's throwing

Speaker 11 all the curveballs out there. He's actually pretty tech savvy.
So don't don't let him fool you in all seriousness.

Speaker 4 Okay, so going off the Panther, your time with the Panthers, a free agent that's out there right now, Cam Newton, your guy who you guys drafted there, you went to a Super Bowl with him.

Speaker 4 Where do you think his skill set is at right now at this point of his career? Do you think he still has another five years as a starter? And what made you fall in love with him to begin with?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, his physical stature and his athletic ability and, you know, his ability to win. I mean, the guy didn't lose at Blenn.
He didn't lose at Auburn.

Speaker 11 And, I mean, he was, he was like a one-man band. I mean, there wasn't a lot of other talent on that team.
They had a couple of guys. Nick Fairley was on the D line, but they weren't loaded.

Speaker 11 And I mean, they came back and to beat Alabama the way they did in that game. Just the guy was a winner, and I think it carried over.

Speaker 11 And listen, I wouldn't be in my seat right now if we didn't have the success that we had. And obviously, the 15-1 season in Carolina.
And so Cam's a guy root for.

Speaker 11 I think he deserves another chance. You know, it's unfortunate the injuries the last couple of years have slowed him down.
And I'm sure there's some doubt around the league.

Speaker 11 And I think Cam is, as you guys, you know, I don't know if you've ever talked to him, but he's probably a little bit of a misunderstood guy.

Speaker 11 People aren't sure, okay, what would I be bringing into my building, into my locker room?

Speaker 11 You know, I think whoever signs Cam is going to know this guy's got a chip on his shoulder right now. I know how he's wired.

Speaker 11 He feels doubted. And I think he's in a strong spot.
You know, when he's doubted, he's going to try and prove people wrong.

Speaker 4 Does he text you in the weird, in the weird,

Speaker 4 shit?

Speaker 11 Honestly, you know, Cam and I, we don't text very often or anything like that. So I give him a good hug or, you know, bro hug or whatever if I see him.
But now nothing but love for Cam.

Speaker 11 And no, I don't understand all his texts.

Speaker 4 So this offseason,

Speaker 4 you're going into it a little bit differently than Buffalo has had to approach an offseason in the last. 15 years or so.

Speaker 4 Tom Brady is no longer in that division, so you're not going to play against him twice when you play against the Patriots. Is that going to impact the type of players that you're looking at?

Speaker 4 Just the sheer fact that you don't have to deal with him, and you're going to have to deal with a different type of quarterback in New England.

Speaker 4 Or is it just like, we're going to scout our guys the same way that we've always scouted them? What other teams are doing is not going to impact how we construct our football team?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, it's a good question in the sense that you do have to win your division. So you have to look at what you're going against.
And I will give you an example.

Speaker 11 When we were in carolina years ago when michael vick was rolling um that was the impetus for drafting thomas davis was we needed speed and you know thomas played safety at georgia and we converted him down to linebacker we just didn't have the speed to chase him down so there are times where you you will draft somebody to stop an opponent i know we we got uh we drafted you know josh norman and and um

Speaker 11 James Bradbury because we were going against Julio Jones, Mike Evans. You know, we needed a bigger corner to go against those guys.
So there are times you do that.

Speaker 11 You know, I would say for us, you know, we're trying to pay attention to everybody, including the Patriots. But honestly, I don't know yet what they're going to do at quarterback.

Speaker 11 I don't know if it's what's on the roster, if they're going to draft somebody. There's still, you know, you mentioned Cam Newton.

Speaker 11 There's some other veterans that are out there that maybe they're working on behind the scenes.

Speaker 11 So we're not, you know, plotting, you know, none of our free agent moves were based on who's a quarterback.

Speaker 11 We're just trying to, you know, be the best version that we can be, and we'll see what shakes out and what quarterback, you know, Bill Belichick goes with.

Speaker 4 Did you pop a little champagne when Brady announced he was going to the Bucs?

Speaker 11 I really didn't. You know, our fan base did, and they probably don't like it when I say it, but, you know, I know I speak for Sean as well.
We were 0-6 against Brady up here.

Speaker 11 And so to me, you know, there's nothing more

Speaker 11 exciting than

Speaker 11 we were looking forward to was the opportunity to take him, you know, take him down. And so he was became a free agent and he left.

Speaker 11 And so the only thing we can do is at some point, hopefully play him in Tampa and get a chance there. But

Speaker 11 at the end of the day, the Patriots, Bill Belichick, you know, he is probably the greatest coach of all time. I don't think they're going anywhere.

Speaker 4 What's the best pick you've ever made?

Speaker 11 The best pick I've ever made? I don't know. I mean, that's hard for me to say.

Speaker 11 you know we're still so young i've only had two drafts all right so maybe even count the panthers too what's the pick that you it was the you know draft night and you're standing on the table being like this is my guy the guy that you felt the strongest about yeah i mean uh probably the last draft there you know us drafting christian mccaffrey you know that was um and now I'm not going to lie, I couldn't tell you that he was going to be the highest paid running back that the contract he now has.

Speaker 11 But I was at his pro day, and not only did he put on, I think the most impressive thing that he did at his pro day was after he did the running back drills, he went out, and they had a few receivers that year that were later guys or free agents, but he went out and put on a clinic, you know, from the slot, from the outside.

Speaker 11 I mean, he looked like, God, I'd draft this guy, you know, at a minimum as a slot receiver and a returner. And then you know he had the running back skills.
So,

Speaker 11 you know, I think he was, he was what I call a sleep good at night pick.

Speaker 4 It is stand-on-the-table season, but I'm glad PitCap brought that up. Have you ever actually stood on a table in a draft room for somebody?

Speaker 11 No, but I've been waiting until I came to Buffalo since everybody breaks tables.

Speaker 11 So maybe at some point, maybe we should have everybody stand on the table and see if we can bust through a burning table or something like that.

Speaker 4 No, I've never.

Speaker 11 I've never stood on a table.

Speaker 4 When you decided to bring Frank Gore in, was the size of his balls a key contributor that you could see on all his highlights just flopping around.

Speaker 11 I can't lie. Frank definitely

Speaker 11 is a big baller.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's a big baller.

Speaker 4 Yeah, hey, look, we've all seen it. It just happens in slow-mo.

Speaker 4 All right,

Speaker 4 I got a dumb question for you.

Speaker 4 How much credit do you give to Moneyball and Billy Bean being probably the most famous GM out there in sports to you getting a GM job?

Speaker 4 Because I'm a big name guy, and when I saw Brandon Bean, I was like, like, oh, is he Billy's brother? Like, he must be smart.

Speaker 4 Do you think that plays maybe even 1% into you having the success you've had? No relation, by the way.

Speaker 11 Yeah, no relation.

Speaker 11 You know, I've been asked, you know, many times, was I kin to him along the way? And it's funny. It really came up when I got the job.
People that didn't know me from Buffalo asking that question.

Speaker 11 But, you know, you got to say there's probably some percent.

Speaker 4 I don't want to say zero. Yes.

Speaker 11 Because people probably said, oh, they probably just make the assumption he must be kin to Billy Bean.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And smart guy.
He knows how to draft. I mean, I had the exact same question.
There are a lot of people out there with dumb brains like us that would be willing to hire you just based on that.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, you definitely want a coin flip if they're like, all right, we could draft this guy. We could hire this guy or Billy Bean's maybe brother.

Speaker 4 Exactly. Hey,

Speaker 11 you made the assumption I won the coin toss. Let's say 5% of my job in Buffalo, I wouldn't get with if Billy Bean hadn't had his success.

Speaker 4 I know that there's certain teams out there that

Speaker 4 they're very impressed with college captains. So if you were a captain on your team, like a two-year captain or something like that, they give you bonus points for that in their mind.

Speaker 4 Do you take that into account at all? Or is it just strictly

Speaker 4 the other stuff that you evaluate and you say what their team voted on? That's not really what we're looking at here.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I think it's definitely part of the puzzle. And, you know, we do ask that.
You know, some teams only do game captains.

Speaker 11 So those can be bounced around. I don't hold a lot of weight in those, but the guys that are voted, the season captains, some of them, I like it when they do it at the end of the season.

Speaker 11 Some coaches will vote. This was our team captains for the end of the year.
These are the guys that led us all season. So you do have to kind of ask one question deeper.
Were you a captain?

Speaker 11 Well, were you, you know, was it voted on by your team? Is it voted on by the coaches? How did you get named that? But it definitely weighs in as a piece.

Speaker 4 What about birthday parties? Do you ever ask how many of your teammates came to your birthday party? Yeah.

Speaker 11 No, but you know what? I've never thought of that. It's not a bad idea.

Speaker 11 We'll add that to our

Speaker 4 list. So you haven't watched Draft Day then with Kevin Costner?

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 4 Damn. You're going to get taken to the cleaners.
Somebody's going to fleece you.

Speaker 4 Somebody who's watched that and owns it on DVD and seen the behind-the-scenes commentary is going to absolutely wreck you in the draft this year.

Speaker 11 What did he ask them their birthday party?

Speaker 4 Bo Callahan, the quarterback.

Speaker 4 Well, it was not a believable movie because it was Bo Callahan, the the star quarterback for Wisconsin also because the Browns were competent right where I went and we don't I mean we're not getting a first overall pick uh out of out of Wisconsin out of the big 10 like that but they basically were like well no none of his teammates went to his birthday party so he must not be a great locker room guy that was the intel I got you yeah

Speaker 4 I'm gonna add that that's actually legit I like it yes yes ask like who you know did you guys go you know play skee-ball with your quarterback yeah when his birthday came up? David Busters.

Speaker 4 Have you ever done a trick where you put like a dollar bill or a $100 bill in the back of a book, a playbook that you hand a guy, and then you wait to see if he brings it up in your interview with him?

Speaker 11 No, because all our playbooks are, I'd have to be like or something. They're all on iPads.

Speaker 4 Cash app. Yeah, you get to the last page and it's boom, cash app in your account.

Speaker 4 Yeah, mate. It's not a bad idea.
What's the weird question, or what's your go-to question at the Combine?

Speaker 11 Go-to question.

Speaker 7 Usually it's,

Speaker 11 how did you pick, you know, whatever school, Auburn?

Speaker 4 Like,

Speaker 11 what were your options, first of all? Because sometimes,

Speaker 11 you know, McNee State or wherever you went, that might have been your only option. But what were your options? And I always like to ask people, how many, how many stars were they?

Speaker 11 And sometimes look it up like, oh, I was a five-star. No, you weren't.
You were a two-star. You know what I mean? That kind of thing.

Speaker 4 Does anyone ever answer that question? They just paid the most?

Speaker 11 No, but I have inferred some things and gotten some smiles and said, oh they give you a bigger cash bag and uh

Speaker 4 oh no no and they're giggling in the side so right you know right yeah you know i love it i love it uh would you like to take this moment to thank antonio brown for using his non-existent trade clause last year to avoid uh going to buffalo oh man uh you got to bring that one up that's pretty good you know what uh

Speaker 11 is that here's one of the lines we have sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. Yep.

Speaker 11 And that happens. And that's so true.
There's sometimes you've had a guy and you almost got him and at the last minute you didn't and then something happened.

Speaker 11 He got hurt the first week of OTAs or the first game of the season. You're going, man, that would have cost me $12 million on my cap or something like that.

Speaker 11 I would say sometimes on this one, the best moves are the ones you don't make.

Speaker 4 I said this at the end of your playoff run, and I was rooting for the Buffalo Bills. I wanted the Bills to advance.
I thought that you guys had a fun team.

Speaker 4 It was constructed in a fun way, and we like Josh Allen a lot.

Speaker 4 But you're in kind of an interesting situation, Buffalo, because the way that you've built your team, it's kind of like you're going to play in this one style that you ended up playing in last year.

Speaker 4 I don't really, I'm dumb, so that might be part of it, but I don't really see

Speaker 4 what part of your team you would focus on making additions to this year, unless there are guys that are leaving that might be aging out of that position.

Speaker 4 But you're built to have, you know, a solid running game, good, strong, tough-nosed defense.

Speaker 4 And so I got to ask you, like, what is, is there a position in particular that you knew this entire offseason, we need an upgrade at this one to take us to that next level?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, I think Diggs was the move. We needed a number one.

Speaker 11 You know, I tried to make a trade

Speaker 11 at the trade deadline. You know, some of the receivers that you guys saw,

Speaker 11 we were checking in on pretty much all the ones that did get traded. And then some of the ones like Stefan, that

Speaker 11 the teams were not willing to part with them. But there were several that didn't get traded that we were after.

Speaker 11 And then some of the ones that did, it was either more than we were willing to give up or the team, you know,

Speaker 11 an NFC, I mean, an AFC team wanted to send them to an NFC team or something like that where they didn't want to, you know, have to play us. But

Speaker 11 I think that was the biggest thing. You know, you go back to that Houston game.
At the end of the day, we settled for too many field goals and not enough touchdowns in the first half.

Speaker 11 We got the touchdown the first drive, but after that,

Speaker 7 it was field goal, field goal, field goal.

Speaker 11 And, you know, it's hard to go 10 plays, 12 plays, 13 plays because one penalty or any, you know, a sack, anything like that, a negative play, and then you're either punt or a field goal most of the time.

Speaker 11 So Stefan is a big play guy. We just felt like we needed more juice.
A guy, you get the ball in his hands, and he makes one guy miss, and he can score. And so that was the impetus.

Speaker 11 We got to score more points this next season.

Speaker 4 All right, my last question. I'm always fascinated with this and how draft rooms work and the lead up to the draft.

Speaker 4 Do you do anything specifically to avoid having that confirmation bias when you're trying to pick a player? Like your scouts,

Speaker 4 you've already made your mind up and you're just looking for the two scouts that agree with you. How does that kind of break down when you're evaluating a guy right up until draft day

Speaker 4 and trying to figure out how to make this decision with all the intel that you can have and not just who you personally like.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that's real. I'll tell you today, you know, we were going through the horizontal part.
So you stack them vertically, you know, quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, all the way left to right.

Speaker 11 And now you start looking at,

Speaker 11 okay, I'm in the third round and I've got this wide receiver and then I've got this defensive tackle. and I've got this corner.
They're all around the same grade.

Speaker 11 You know, you work all the way down first round, second round, third round. Do these guys all belong in the same conversation? Is one of these guys clearly better?

Speaker 11 Should he be in another conversation? Should he be high three, low two? You just kind of, it's a checks and balances of not only your by position, but across the board.

Speaker 11 So that if you get on the clock and you got all three of those, three of those there's, who are you taking? And so, you know, we went back and forth.

Speaker 11 I mean, there's one of my scouts actually texted me when we broke for lunch. Hey, sorry if I got a little heated there.
And

Speaker 11 I said, no, I said i don't want groupthink yeah like we got to get it right it's it's not my board it's the buffalo bills board and so um i don't at the end of the day we got to get it right for us and it's not it's not just my guy there are times where um i really am more passionate about one guy but i'll stack the other guy if if if i'm clearly in the minority

Speaker 4 i like that i like passion you get good results from passion i've got a question um on the special team side of the ball uh if you are looking at kickers would you rather have a guy that can hit you know maybe four out of seven from 55 yards plus or a guy that could go nine out of ten from you know 35 and in well you're talking about a 35 yard field goal yeah

Speaker 11 i got you um yeah i mean i'd rather have the guy deep i mean i i think if you were gonna say count the same though

Speaker 4 yeah if you were gonna say 45 like if this guy is like nine of 10 from 45 and in no he's like like 3 of 10 from 45 no no he's like three of six 50 from 45 out

Speaker 4 and then anything 45 in will say 85 percent

Speaker 4 and he's got an on-side kick that hits a recovery rate of like 30 percent i take that especially in the new these current on-side kick rules no nobody can get a dang on-side kick anymore okay so that actually was me that i was describing you get a 30 time perfect on-side kick recovery yeah really yeah i can get 30 i've got a special on-side kick that nobody else uses.

Speaker 4 So that was me.

Speaker 4 I believe that you've verbally committed to signing me.

Speaker 11 Is this on Madden football? Or is this really your live kicking?

Speaker 4 This is my live kicking. This is training with Morton Anderson and on the field with the DC Defenders in practice.

Speaker 4 And also, I went out into the on-side kick with our co-workers Zah and Big T, who's like six foot five, and Zah is, what, three foot ten? Yeah. He recovered 30% of our on-sides kicks.
Oh, God.

Speaker 11 Do you have video of this so I can

Speaker 4 cut up a little highlight reel, a little hype reel for you?

Speaker 11 I want to see this guy's trying to recover. That'd be the best part.

Speaker 4 Yes. All right.
So I believe that's a verbal commitment to at least bring me in for workout. There you go.
It's a workout. It's a workout.

Speaker 4 All right. Well, Brandon Bean, thank you so much.
We really appreciate you spending some time with us.

Speaker 4 Can we plug the Is It United Way again one last time?

Speaker 11 Yeah, that'd be great. So tomorrow is the last day.
So by four o'clock, tomorrow it closes.

Speaker 11 Here's the website. It's wnyresponds.org.
If you can just go there, any of the any of the Bills Nation out there, we got

Speaker 11 six or seven cool prizes.

Speaker 11 One, you're going to be able to be on the phone with me when we turn in the first pick, and you'll see the interaction, as I call the draft pick that we select.

Speaker 11 And got some other cool prizes other than that. It's on the website, though.

Speaker 11 They can go on there and see it.

Speaker 4 Okay, yeah. Check it out.
Thanks so much. Really appreciate it.
Good luck in the draft.

Speaker 11 Thanks, guys. Good seeing you guys.

Speaker 4 All right. Good talking to you.

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Speaker 4 Okay, let's get to our Mount Flushmore. Then we're going to do a review of the scheme with Christian Dawkins,

Speaker 4 the guy who was in the scheme, the guy who was the main character of the scheme. That's coming up in a second.
We have a Mount Flushmore that I think we need to put a disclaimer.

Speaker 4 We're going to do the Mount Flushmore of states. But if you're listening to this and your state is called, just know we're not talking about you specifically.
We're talking about a space.

Speaker 4 We're talking about

Speaker 4 a geographical location. Not even that.
Not about you. No,

Speaker 4 if your state is called, think about the shittiest person you know. Think about the shittiest neighbor you have.
We're talking about them specifically, okay? It's not you.

Speaker 4 You actually made us think twice about putting your state on there. It's your neighbor

Speaker 4 that sucks. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 Neighbor Troy, who keeps fucking parking random cars in the front lawn, he's the worst. He is.
He's very, very bad.

Speaker 4 The guy that called the cops because you had a couple of friends over after 11:30, that's the guy that we're talking about. All right.
It's my pick first, and then who goes second?

Speaker 4 I think me second, and then Hank

Speaker 4 circles back.

Speaker 4 Yes, that's correct. Okay.

Speaker 4 I will start. Why don't I ever go second?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think Hank goes second. Okay, fine.
Hank goes second. I've never picked second.
That's not true.

Speaker 4 Because when you go first, Big Cat picks second. When I go first, you pick second.
When Big Cat goes

Speaker 4 you Shannon second, I got a good point. Fine, I'll go third.
I go twice. Good.
All right. I'll start with

Speaker 4 the most unremarkable state. I don't even know if we have a listener here.
If we do have a listener here, tweet us.

Speaker 4 We'd love to hear from the listeners in the great state of South Dakota. Who the fuck cares? Wait, South Dakota, Mount Rushmore.
Yeah, exactly. It's the opposite.

Speaker 4 You've got four great listeners there. Yeah, it's true, but it's the opposite.
This segment wouldn't exist if this state didn't exist.

Speaker 4 How can you say that? Yeah,

Speaker 4 that's a tough start. South Dakota.
Okay,

Speaker 4 Hank. It's me? Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 4 It was great pheasant hunting in South Dakota, by the way. You just Googled that? No, I just know it.
That's the only thing I know about South Dakota. My first one, an absolute no-brainer.

Speaker 4 A few years ago, I did a college tour where I basically went all over the South, every state, had a great time, and pretty much all of them.

Speaker 4 The only one that was a bad time, just a miserable place to be, Mississippi. Oh, wow.

Speaker 4 Northeastern bias. What about Brandon? Big sportsworter.

Speaker 4 Brandon Walker's all right. Okay, I knew this.
Mississippi. Uh-oh.

Speaker 4 Well, no, I knew that this was obviously going to get picked, so I told Brandon Walker, can you text me some nice things about Mississippi? They didn't hear it. They didn't sell ice.

Speaker 4 I was told basically that. Don't sell ice in the mission.

Speaker 4 No, I was basically told that there was some type of government corruption where one of the mayors owned all of the ice shops so that gas stations

Speaker 4 couldn't sell ice until like 2007. That sounds fucking awesome, though.

Speaker 4 You have a mayor and the mayor gets that power to just hoard all the ice? All the things that got switched over in the 60s and 70s, 80s, that didn't happen in Mississippi until like five years ago.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Here we go.

Speaker 4 Cool things about Mississippi. Brandon fucking Walker, Elvis, Oprah, Morgan Freeman, Fried Catfish, Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Brett Favre, Southern food.
But that's all

Speaker 4 examples.

Speaker 4 Well, yeah, Fried Catfish is also, you can get that anywhere. Yeah, there's so many good players from Mississippi.
I think Brandon just got hungry when he started listening to me.

Speaker 4 Missippy was such a shitty state that those people were so motivated to get out that they worked extra hard. That's really mean.
Yeah, I don't know. That's a friend of ours.
Elaine Kiffen, Mike Leach.

Speaker 4 I bet you they're just Brett Favre. Mike Leach literally just picked, he left Washington to go to Mississippi.

Speaker 4 Ed Werter for 60% of the 90s when he was hanging out next to Brett Favre trying to figure out if he was coming back. All right.
PFT, you have two picks. Mississippi is a bad choice.

Speaker 4 That's just I-95 Hank right there.

Speaker 4 I'm going to defend Brandon Walker

Speaker 4 telling the city was on your list PFT it was not on my list I'm looking through my list I'm not gonna give away too much I don't have any states that are in the south on my list wow I love the south okay

Speaker 4 to who the south the south okay well you just said I love the south I do I do love the south okay Delaware number one a number one Delaware what is in Delaware

Speaker 4 they've got all our taxes

Speaker 4 wasn't a state like when you said Delaware I just was like that's not a state you forgot about Delaware right you probably would have had it on your list but you forgot about it okay all that's in Delaware is, I guess, Joe Biden's corpse and those weird tax companies, credit card companies.

Speaker 4 Those are important, though. That's it.
Those are important. My second choice.
Dewey Beach is okay. Shout out to SVP.
Yeah, Dewey Beach. I thought you hope from Delaware.

Speaker 4 If you see SVP at Dewey Beach this summer, make sure you buy him a shot. He likes that.
Does that

Speaker 4 mean

Speaker 4 that you're going to be able to do that? Also, whisper in his ear, say, SVP,

Speaker 4 you look like a penis. And also be like, hey, SVP, remember to call me and leave me a message.
SVP, the terps stink. So, yeah,

Speaker 4 Delaware, easy number one. Tremendous value pick on my part, taking that number three.
My second is going to be,

Speaker 4 I'm going

Speaker 4 New Mexico.

Speaker 4 New Mexico,

Speaker 4 they've got hatched chili peppers. They've got breaking bad.

Speaker 4 That's about it. They tested nuclear weapons there because they knew there wasn't anything to blow up.
There's no hills. No hills, really.
Yeah. Okay.
Just flat. Hank.

Speaker 4 That was actually my second pick you took that from me i will go with uh the state we're all in right now new york oh new york state the big apple although i will say that since this quarantine has started it's one of those things where you realize that new york could be nice if like 80 of the population just wasn't here all the time because like walking around during quarantine it's nice like there's not a million people on the street and it's like a normal city you shouldn't be walking around Well, I had to get to the office somehow.

Speaker 4 And, you know, I take walks just to clear my mind.

Speaker 4 What if everyone took walks all the time? Walking is encouraged, I believe. What if everyone was doing it? Okay, so you're saying that New York.
Just keep social distance.

Speaker 4 New York City would be nice if it wasn't for all the people. Okay.
Yeah, just New York in general, trash teams. All right, trash city.

Speaker 4 My second pick will then be: I can't believe you didn't do this instead. How about New York City's parking lot? New Jersey.

Speaker 4 Sopranos. Sopranos.
Sopranos. And Jersey Beach.
And New Jersey gets a bad rap, I think. And the Jersey Beaches raps a little bit.
You ever been to a Jersey Beach? They're not bad.

Speaker 4 New Jersey embraces its its New Jersey. New York has this attitude of eliteness that I just don't appreciate.
You don't jive with it? Okay.

Speaker 4 And then my third pick, I'll go with Kansas. I have nothing for Kansas.
The Jayhawks. That's it.
Literally nothing. Wizard of Oz.
Was that movie made 300 years ago? Great.

Speaker 4 All right, piggybacking off that. Nebraska.
No. No, disagree.
Danny Woodhead. Danny Woodhead from North Platte.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 PFT. Really? Nebraska? Yeah, you picked Nebraska.
All right. College World Series.

Speaker 4 We all watch that. A lot of good stuff.

Speaker 4 Who won the last College World Series?

Speaker 4 LSU.

Speaker 4 That might be true. I might be.

Speaker 4 I think Vanderbilt? No.

Speaker 4 Vanderbilt? Vanderbilt does win it all. I was going to say, it's like Caltech Poly.
Vanderbilt had like two good pitchers three years ago, but I don't think they won.

Speaker 4 Vanderbilt did win it a couple years ago. 2000.
College World Series.

Speaker 4 Vanderbilt, thank you. Fuck you, PFT.
Vanderbilt. I knew they would.

Speaker 4 Yeah. All right.

Speaker 4 Don't question my Vanderbilt's juggernaut in baseball. A lot of pressure here.
College.

Speaker 4 I'm going to go with Missouri. Yeah, it's a good pick.
Not a fan of Missouri. You know what?

Speaker 4 Missouri should be better considering all the resources that they have there. They've got the Ozark Mountains.
They've got a lot of lakes. They've got some big metropolis areas.

Speaker 4 But their best. The metropolis areas is named after a different state.
Their best city, yeah, their best city

Speaker 4 is in Kansas. It's not even in Missouri.
Well, where is

Speaker 4 what were you going to say?

Speaker 4 Kansas City. It's in Missouri.
It's in Kansas. Right.
But, like, Arrowhead is in Missouri. Kansas City is in Kansas.

Speaker 4 Arrowhead's in Missouri. Do you disagree with the South? Cheap person in the United States?

Speaker 4 Okay, so the Kansas City Royals are in Missouri. Based out of Missouri.
Yes. So what are you talking about? You basically, you have like many pro sports teams.
Have you been to Kansas City, Kansas?

Speaker 4 No. Kansas City, Kansas is better.

Speaker 4 You don't know that. I've been there.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Did you go to a Chiefs game? I did not go to a Chiefs game. Because they're in Missouri.

Speaker 4 Super Bowl champs are in Missouri. That's not what was reported previously this offseason.
I don't know what jokes you're making about Trump. No, he said congratulations to the great state of Kansas.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I didn't know what joke you were making. Okay.
So I stay informed.

Speaker 4 I did not know. Stay informed.
Okay. And then my last one, this might be a little bit controversial.
Nevada.

Speaker 4 Vegas is great. This is awesome.
Vegas is great. Reno is okay.

Speaker 4 But in between that, there's a whole lot of nothing. Vegas is just too good of a thing to like.
That's someplace you go. I'm picking states I'm never going to go to.
Fuck them.

Speaker 4 Well, New Jersey. No, I'm not going to New Jersey.
Fuck that.

Speaker 4 Sportsbook? Yeah, I guess I'm going to go to New Jersey. All right.
Your last pick, Hank?

Speaker 4 This is tough.

Speaker 4 It's tough. Feels tough.
I was literally just about to look up the 50 states. I thought I had one.
Do it.

Speaker 4 List as many as you can. Hank says Massachusetts.
List as many as you can.

Speaker 4 I will go with the great state of

Speaker 4 Utah. Freaks.
Religious freaks. Whoa, whoa.

Speaker 4 Only state, only state.

Speaker 4 Our Mormon fan base is not going to be happy with that. But I don't understand how one state,

Speaker 4 how that works. How does that work? Who won't explain that to me? Hank, you should respect Utah's more because they are the ones that called LeBron a little B-word.

Speaker 4 That was Gordon Hayward. But you're going to be LeBron's little B-word.
Oh, true. Yeah.
That wasn't you. They weren't calling LeBron a B-word.

Speaker 4 They were saying that you're going to go be B-worded by LeBron. By LeBron, yeah.
I don't know. I feel like they wouldn't like LeBron much in Utah.

Speaker 4 Okay, my last pick is going to be Oklahoma. Do you think we have a lot of Mormon listeners? Maybe.
It's either all or nothing. Like, we're either the hottest Mormon podcast.
We're still joking.

Speaker 4 Like, like, we don't really get big rest. We're

Speaker 4 literally either the hottest.

Speaker 4 The hottest podcast in the Mormon community, or not a single Mormon has listened to it. I think it's one or the other.

Speaker 4 I don't think if you like poll Mormons, they'd be like, eh, maybe. Do you think that they have a version of part of my take that's like their version of beer where it's 3% alcohol?

Speaker 4 Bleeps everything out. Bleeped out.
Yeah, what? And they just don't do guys on chicks? Yeah, Mormons don't drink. They do guys on chicks on chicks.
What's the 3% alcohol thing?

Speaker 4 They serve near beer there. Fun fact about Utah, when they pour beer, you can only get like a 3% beer in a bar.

Speaker 4 And when they pour the drink, they have to do it behind a little curtain because you're not supposed to see the alcohol going into the cup because it's too sexual, right?

Speaker 4 But this whole thing was invented in like 1942, right? I think it was probably a little bit before that. Yeah.
I want to say 1800s?

Speaker 4 Yes, something like that. Oregon Trail Times.
Love Danny Ainge, though, and the Age fan. Okay, obviously not.

Speaker 4 Because your whole state sucks. Yeah, Oklahoma's my final pick.
Oklahoma, okay. I don't really.
It's a JV, Texas. It's a JV, Texas.
Tornadoes really suck.

Speaker 4 And also, I'll be honest, this is probably going to piss off some people, but I still feel like the Thunder have blood on their hands for robbing the world of the supersonics.

Speaker 4 It's just not right. I think that's fair.
It's just not right.

Speaker 4 You do have great college football. It is a college football state, not even college.

Speaker 4 We also have that waitress Raven at the Chilies in Oklahoma who had offered us mushrooms, like right after, like psychedelic mushrooms, mushrooms right after our appetizers in Oklahoma yeah for what city for what occasion we were passing through okay we stopped at Chili's and we started talking and like literally the second time she she like drank some appetizers then she came back she's like you guys like to party yeah I'm still friends with her on snapchat she gets blunted like on the daily before work good for her before work shout out Raven yeah good for her also they got their whole panhandle cucked by Texas yeah so they have the panhandle and it makes sense when it's Oklahoma because it does look like a panhandle but then Texas just said we're going to call that top left part of our state if you the panhandle it doesn't look like a panhandle but when i think panhandle i think like north of odessa right if you took the sooners and the oklahoma state cowboys out of oklahoma i would never think about oklahoma there's no reason to go there yeah i would never ever think about that state

Speaker 4 but i do like i do like watching sooner games because i love listening to the the music go and the and the fucking cart that's electric i do maintain that the the color of the sky at night during an oklahoma city night game it's a different pitch black.

Speaker 4 It's like the cover that spinal taps. Yeah, because they don't have lights anywhere in the city.
That's funny. In the state, yeah, in the entire state.
There are two stoplights. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Let's get to our interview with Christian Dawkins from the Scheme. Before we do that, PFT, you got one last act.

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I got a drink named after me. Not a big deal.
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Speaker 4 That's what I thought. See you, fellas.

Speaker 12 I invented the thing, you pigeon.

Speaker 4 Pink Whitney for legendary moments.

Speaker 4 Okay, we now welcome on Christian Dawkins from the new HBO documentary, The Scheme. If you haven't watched it, go watch it.
It is the story of the NCAA men's basketball corruption scandal.

Speaker 4 And Christian, you are central figure in this entire thing. Let's first start

Speaker 4 with what is your current legal status? Are you in an appeals process? Where Where are you at with that?

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 7 we are currently appealing

Speaker 7 both cases. I was involved with two cases, so we're appealing both of the cases that I was involved in, the outcome

Speaker 4 that I was involved in. Okay.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 let's start,

Speaker 4 like assuming that people haven't seen it. I'm sure a lot of people listening will have seen it because everyone has nowhere to go.

Speaker 4 Can you give us kind of the backstory of how you got involved in this entire thing and how you became a central figure for this documentary and this case.

Speaker 7 So are you saying from the vantage point of involved in the case or involved in a documentary?

Speaker 4 Involved in the in the case.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 7 So basically

Speaker 7 to make a long story short and not give away too much, I was working at a major company. I wanted to start my own representation business on the management side.
I decided I wanted to branch off.

Speaker 7 It was an amicable split and it was time for me to try to take in outside funding.

Speaker 7 As I'm having the conversations with the financial advisor at the time who's helping me raise the capital, he introduces me to

Speaker 7 what he calls, or what he thought they were at the time, was real estate investors. So they invested money into his fund.

Speaker 7 Obviously, to make themselves seem like they were legitimate business people.

Speaker 11 He then

Speaker 7 brings them to me as a potential investor into my new sports business.

Speaker 7 And once they got in and they gave me money, they bought a piece of the company. We created a contract, blah, blah, blah.
And they were my partners.

Speaker 7 And as I'm recruiting, as I'm trying to build a business, they're right there side by side.

Speaker 7 Trying to build a criminal case.

Speaker 7 That's essentially what happened.

Speaker 4 So your business that you were trying to start start was you were developing these relationships with kids, whether they were high school players from the AAU circuit, whatever,

Speaker 4 and just kind of being there for them, helping them as they were trying to figure out what college they were going to go to

Speaker 4 in the hope that when they were drafted in the NBA, you would be their legal representative for marketing deals, things like that. Is that a fair assessment?

Speaker 11 Correct.

Speaker 4 Okay, so

Speaker 4 you're trying to work with these kids, and the guy that you end up getting into business with turns out that he is working for the FBI. He's an FBI agent.

Speaker 4 And his idea is to give you money, but he's not interested in catching you paying kids because, as they said in the documentary, that's not illegal.

Speaker 4 It's not illegal for somebody to give a high school kid $10,000, $50,000. It just happens to be against the NCAA bylaws, which is not in the US penal code.

Speaker 4 So this guy, who is the FBI agent, he's trying to change the way that you do business and giving you money and instructing you to pay this money to coaches and it was fascinating hearing your reaction to that because it was clear that you were like this guy doesn't know how business is done here uh how long did it take you you know taking his money to be like

Speaker 4 there's something seriously wrong like what's in it for him if he's just giving you money to hand to coaches

Speaker 7 I'll be honest with you guys, man. I mean, the calls that you guys heard are, you know, pretty much the come to Jesus calls when we had, like, I'm like, this is stupid.

Speaker 7 But at the same time, there was numerous conversations almost immediately from the beginning when

Speaker 7 we just started discussing, discussing the finances. Cause you got to remember this, like, like,

Speaker 7 usually in the representation business, when you sign a first round pick, you don't commission them on their contract, their agency or the representation you give because it's set, it's slotted.

Speaker 7 How can you say that you should get paid? So, my whole thing was like, yo, we're not going to make money for four years on these players that we're signing. We can't spend

Speaker 7 hundreds of thousands of dollars paying their coaches because, think about it. If we're talking about five grand a month, that's 60 grand.
That's gone to someone who can't even really help.

Speaker 7 He can't close. They can help or they can hurt, but they can't close an agent or a manager or a financial person getting a player.
So, in my mind, it was like, in the beginning, I thought, well,

Speaker 7 maybe he's just over eager or into the sports business or he thinks i can be overly successful there's the call that i don't know if it got played in a dock i don't remember but between me and jeff d'angelo where i say to him who do you think signed the most players last year in the draft and he guesses and i said no it was me i mean because that year coming off at asm we had the most we had the most guys in the draft that year so i'm like i signed four guys last year

Speaker 13 I almost had to kill myself to do it.

Speaker 7 So I basically was like, you know, I'm not going to be able to sign 10 guys. I don't have the bandwidth for it.
So mathematically, mathematically,

Speaker 7 the numbers didn't make a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 7 And I also looked at it like we should be building cash flow. So if we do have to do something to require a client, we're taking care of them and their family, trade,

Speaker 7 that kind of stuff. So almost immediately I sensed it.

Speaker 7 I never sensed that it was the FBI, though. I'll be honest.

Speaker 7 Obviously, I would have just jumped out of it. But yeah, I never sensed that this was the FBI.

Speaker 7 I just thought it was an investor who really didn't understand the economics of the business that he was entering into.

Speaker 4 So there's a moment in the documentary where you're basically like, fuck the NCAA, and we kind of have the same mindset.

Speaker 4 it's a very weird story when you lay it all out, and it's like, what exactly is the crime to pay a player to go to a college? Like, why is that a crime?

Speaker 4 And the NCAA, my standpoint, has always been they know what's happening. They're going to look the other way because millions of dollars are being made, billions of dollars are being made.

Speaker 4 From your perspective, is every single NCAA major college basketball team cheating in some form or fashion?

Speaker 7 I think that

Speaker 7 if you, let's say it's 300 schools, I don't know how many is Division I.

Speaker 7 I would think, you know, a good portion of the schools that are winning at a high level are doing something. And it doesn't necessarily mean that they're dropping bags off at someone's house.

Speaker 7 But you've got to get creative, man. Like this is, it's a blood sport to get talent.
And if you think about it,

Speaker 7 Think about it from this perspective. And this is why I say fuck the incident AA.

Speaker 7 They have these rules in place when common sense would tell anybody: if you're being hired and being paid $4 million a year to coach, you better get the top players.

Speaker 7 No one wants to lose that job, bro. This is a great, great gig.
So,

Speaker 7 the basic rules of capitalism would have educated all of us to understand if there's a lot of money out here to be made, chances are people are going to

Speaker 7 do what they can

Speaker 7 to get it, especially if they're not hurting anyone or especially if they're not

Speaker 7 stealing. Like, nothing here is a crime besides people getting

Speaker 7 what they're supposed to be getting.

Speaker 4 You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 So, I don't think that cheating is something that doesn't happen

Speaker 7 because people feel bad about it or they think that it's an awful thing. You got to remember, a lot of these basketball coaches were once NCAA players.
So, think about it.

Speaker 7 Why would a coach think it's a bad thing when he's been there before? Right.

Speaker 7 They know what it is. So this whole idea that all these things are so terrible and cheating is occurring, I guess the question I would ask is, is something cheating if everyone's doing it?

Speaker 4 Yeah, we agree.

Speaker 7 So to me, I didn't say the fucked in Sebu to be

Speaker 7 rude or to be a bad person. It's literally the only organization in the world where

Speaker 7 they can generate billions and don't have to compensate the talent.

Speaker 7 I mean, if Jeff Bezos or, you know, one of of these Bill Gates, these other billionaires who gets blasted every day when you're using their likeness and you're using

Speaker 7 their images 20 years later and monetizing it, that doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I thought it was interesting that what they ended up charging you with was essentially fraud and saying that you had defrauded these universities by failing to deliver

Speaker 4 the promise of an athlete and essentially admitting that the athletes have this huge monetary value to the colleges that they end up playing for.

Speaker 4 So, like, by the standards of the United States government, they kind of are saying that players,

Speaker 4 their value is more than what, you know, a $20,000 a year scholarship or whatever it might be ends up being, you know, on paper.

Speaker 4 So, like, in a weird way, the United States government is saying, like, the NCAA is fucked up in the way that they're trying to pass off this whole concept of amateurism.

Speaker 7 Listen, the government was conflicted across the board because, think about it. Like you said,

Speaker 7 they had to admit that the client, I mean, excuse me, that the talent, the players were assets of the universities.

Speaker 7 They say that in the court transcripts. I don't know where you guys are from, but the only way something can be an asset is if they're purchased.

Speaker 7 It has to be a transaction. Something has to occur.
So it was confusing to me on one end, you're saying that I defrauded the university because

Speaker 7 I

Speaker 7 forced them, or excuse me, not forced, I took away their ability to make correct decisions, how they controlled their assets. That's the crime.

Speaker 7 Because they couldn't do a normal fraud charge on me because I didn't make any money. I didn't take any of the money, all the money, I gave it to the players.
So

Speaker 7 they put it, you know, created a theory that I caused Louisville and the universities to

Speaker 7 essentially make the wrong decision on how to allocate resources for their assets. So if you say that on one end, you have to acknowledge the fact that the players are worth something.

Speaker 7 Like they have to have value. So if the players have value, how can you say that it's a crime for someone to try to create or monetize that value? Like it literally makes no sense.

Speaker 7 So the whole thing is backwards, man.

Speaker 7 The whole case to me, again, I'm biased, but it never made sense to me. It still doesn't.
And you're right, there definitely is some conflicting theories.

Speaker 7 And that's why I didn't say fuck the Southern District or I didn't say fuck the FBI or fuck a judge or whomever. I said fuck them step away because all of it goes back to them, everything.

Speaker 7 Without them and those rules, the prosecutors can't charge these cases. They can't, we're not here.
We're not having a conversation because the doc doesn't even happen. So that's the reason why I

Speaker 7 said fuck them. And I still stand by that because they're the true criminals to me.
They're the true problem.

Speaker 7 And I hope that the athletes and the parents of athletes realize it and

Speaker 7 understand and try to figure out a way to make it right for them.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, I actually totally agree with you there because it always struck me as a case that the NCAA is only paying attention because the FBI was,

Speaker 4 you know, gotten, FBI got involved. Then the NCAA was like, oh my God, I can't believe this is happening.

Speaker 4 Even though they know it's happening and they basically are condoning it by looking the other way constantly and incentivizing coaches like you said, the way the coaches have been incentivized, why wouldn't they try to do everything they can to keep their job and be successful at it?

Speaker 4 I'm curious on this and just a logistical, like always curious about when the draft happens.

Speaker 4 You'll see a guy who had maybe like was a top recruit and he'll leave for the draft early and he'll be a second round pick.

Speaker 4 I've been told that those type of players are actually being abused by the system because they probably are leaving because they have to pay someone back because they took money to go somewhere and they have to pay back some agent or something like that.

Speaker 4 So they're basically going to the draft earlier than they should and not continuing their education, quote-unquote education. Is that any true?

Speaker 7 I've never experienced that because think about it from an economical perspective or a businessman perspective.

Speaker 7 If you've funded a family or if you've funded a recruit, obviously

Speaker 7 you want to have an ROI, right? So it doesn't really make sense to push a kid out of school if you have money into it and essentially ruin your investment. That makes no sense.

Speaker 7 I think some of the times people leave the draft early because they don't have the finances. to

Speaker 7 take care of their family and themselves.

Speaker 7 You got to remember, agents aren't paying these players hundreds of thousands of dollars a month or some crazy this is we're just talking about 500 bucks we're talking about a thousand dollars two grand this ain't real money this is just they're getting their necessities met they're not getting anything to to splurge with for the most part um so i think most of the time it's just that they may not necessarily have the finances that they that they're comfortable with and Sometimes, man, people's, you got to remember, everyone's getting feedback from scouts and representatives.

Speaker 7 There was a time where,

Speaker 7 for instance, the player, Fred Van Vliet, he had to make a decision between going back to school and going to the draft. But in his dynamic, like his draft stock, his value was what it was.

Speaker 7 It wasn't going to improve another year of school. So some kids just say, whatever,

Speaker 7 if I'm going to be a second round pick next year, that's what they're projecting me as.

Speaker 7 And I might as well come out of school because really, what are you, you're just wasting a year to possibly be injured, lose even more value.

Speaker 7 And at that point, you're not even going to make it to the NBA.

Speaker 7 So I don't, it's much, it's much deeper and it's, it's a lot more information that players have at their disposal when their representatives have at their disposal to make those kind of decisions.

Speaker 7 I don't think people are making them because they took, you know, three grand from an agent who really has no, what is an agent going to do? Like he can go tell, he can't tell nobody.

Speaker 7 So the players have all the leverage at that point. I don't think they're making decisions because some agent has paid a light bill or paid for someone to get to a game.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 4 So your line of business was just develop those relationship with players, keep in touch with them while they're in college, and then hope that once they start getting paid, that they'll come back to you and do business with you.

Speaker 4 But there was never any, like, you can't write a contract to say that, obviously, because it's against all sorts of rules.

Speaker 4 So you're just hoping that once they make it to the NBA, they're like, okay, Christian's been with me for the last couple of years. I know him.
He knows my family. We trust him.

Speaker 4 So now we're going to do business with him, right?

Speaker 7 Correct. Because if you think about it in theory, if I'm getting you paid before you're even a professional, you don't have to question,

Speaker 7 one, if I'll work hard for you and two, if I can get you paid. The proof is already there.

Speaker 7 So I almost sometimes in an agent business or people who represent talent, when they're trying to steal a client or get a client,

Speaker 7 the line is to become their agent before you're their agent.

Speaker 7 So you almost start to represent them and you start to do things and you start to do deals, because how else can you really show your value if you don't actually do it? You're just talking.

Speaker 7 So my theory was if I get in with these guys when they're young,

Speaker 7 I can essentially act as their representative to

Speaker 7 sneaker companies, to universities, to whomever, and hopefully provide some kind of value, provide information

Speaker 7 to point them in the right direction so they can obviously play well and make it and hopefully even maybe get them compensated

Speaker 7 so they can their time in college can be as

Speaker 7 stress-free and as smooth as possible. That was my plan.

Speaker 7 And like you said, if they turn pro, if they're actually a pro, I'll probably have a good chance to get them because if you get in early, you're able to show your value chances are they're going to stay with you.

Speaker 13 I mean,

Speaker 13 it's not that many guys you're, you know, that's going to the league every year, 30 guaranteed players. So we're all going after the same players.
It's a, it's a bunch of competition.

Speaker 13 You have to do something to separate yourself from the pack, from, from everybody else, from the pack. So that was my thinking of how to do it.

Speaker 13 Obviously, it didn't, it didn't fully work because of the case and everything like that, but that was my that was my plan and my strategy.

Speaker 4 Okay, so, so going off of that, how good were you at

Speaker 4 like picking out a guy in middle school, high school, and being like, that guy is destined for something? Like, did you know,

Speaker 4 you know, the story, the documentary starts, you grew up in the same town as Draymond Green. Like, did you know Draymond Green was going to be an NBA player at an early age?

Speaker 4 Do you know what was your hit rate, so to speak, of guys you would look at and be like, okay, this is someone I want to help out. This is someone that I hopefully someday become their agent.

Speaker 13 So, you asked a loaded question because my basketball evaluation skills are something that's very personal and dear to me.

Speaker 13 Of course, I think that I had a great eye.

Speaker 13 I did not know Draymond Greene was going to be a first bad Hall of Famer. I will not lie to you.

Speaker 13 But you got to remember, Draymond kind of changed the NBA too.

Speaker 13 So none of us would have thought that he was going to be who he was because the league wasn't, the league wasn't like.

Speaker 13 He made the league how it is today, if you really think about it. He kind of created his own lane.
But most of the time, I was usually on the money.

Speaker 13 You know, I started seeing Malik Beasley play when he was,

Speaker 13 you know, Kobe Simmons at the time was supposed to be the best player on his team.

Speaker 13 You know, Fred Van Vliet was undrafted.

Speaker 13 You know, Justin Patty, when I signed him, when I first started recruiting him, no one knew who he was. He had come off of a red shirt here at Creighton.
I mean, most of the people I had

Speaker 13 wasn't,

Speaker 13 well known like that in the beginning. Even when I was doing AAU at 17, 18, Kyle Kuzma, if you look at the dock closely, Kyle Kuzma was in the back of

Speaker 13 on that Doreen's Pride team.

Speaker 13 He was not

Speaker 13 NBA all-star potentially Kyle Kuzma at that time. I mean, Josh Jackson was on that team.
I knew he was the best player in the country. when he was 16.

Speaker 13 So it just depends on the player and the situation and

Speaker 13 everything like that. No one's perfect, but I think I had a pretty good eye.
And basketball is the one sport where you can kind of guess pretty accurately.

Speaker 13 Football, you can't do this because you don't know.

Speaker 13 But basketball, you kind of can have a more of an educated guess. And that's what I was doing.

Speaker 7 And I think I had a pretty good eye for it.

Speaker 4 One of my favorite parts of the documentary is when it talks about the recruiting service that you created back when you were in, I think, in high school, and you listed yourself as being four inches taller than you really were i mean welcome to the club that's like that's my life in a nutshell uh did you ever list anybody that you didn't like on a personal level as being like shorter smaller not as good just because you didn't want that to get them recruited um

Speaker 7 that's a great question that's a yes that's a yes

Speaker 7 and i'm sick that i didn't do it because i should have used that scouting service as a scouting service as a mechanism to take down my enemies but i didn't i may relaunch it and list people three inches shorter than they are that's really funny and something that i'm sure will annoy them um you should just you should relaunch it and just like do a scouting report for mark emmer and just and just list him as like 5'2 no skills that's just the whole skills that's the whole scouting report

Speaker 7 exactly

Speaker 7 I'm

Speaker 8 sure

Speaker 7 that Mark would love to hear from Christian Dawkins and hear what his thoughts are right now.

Speaker 4 Absolutely.

Speaker 7 I should do that and cover Mark Emmerlin. So do that piece.

Speaker 4 That was one mistake that you made. The other mistake that I thought you made in the documentary was you trusted somebody named Marty Blazer.
And that should be a red flag right there.

Speaker 4 That the guy's name is Marty Blazer. He's got like a McLemore haircut.

Speaker 4 This guy is the guy that started the entire investigation against you. Have you been in touch with him since the shit hit the fan?

Speaker 7 I wish I could be in touch with Marty Blazer. If I was, I probably really would be in prison right now.

Speaker 7 I want to correct you. I never trusted him.
He was smart because he did get to the person that I did trust.

Speaker 7 But he definitely was a red flag from the beginning for me.

Speaker 7 But it was pitched to me that he wouldn't be involved and he wouldn't be around. That's why

Speaker 7 when you see him in Vegas, my tone becomes irritated because I was pissed pissed that he was even there.

Speaker 7 But no, Marty definitely caused a lot of,

Speaker 7 I don't even know the word for what he caused.

Speaker 7 And it's kind of crazy to me that he was even able to kind of start his own mini investigation after stealing millions of dollars. I don't know how he was, how he pulled that off.

Speaker 7 But no, I haven't talked to him. I have no

Speaker 7 reason to talk to him. If Marty Marty Blazer,

Speaker 7 you know, if I never speak to him again, I won't be upset at all.

Speaker 4 Did you ever see the movie Mafia that he made? Because the doc glossed over that and it looks like it's fucking sweet.

Speaker 7 I think the mafia movie looks awful. So again, I'll disagree with you.

Speaker 4 Is that Ving Reigns like with blood on his hands being like, I'm in the middle of the movie?

Speaker 7 Well, I was about to say, Ving Reigns is actually my guy. I love him.

Speaker 7 I want to know who represents Ving because maybe I should be repping Ving Ving Reigns because who the fuck allowed him to be in that movie?

Speaker 7 But no, I didn't see the film. I don't know if anyone's seen the film.
I guess that's another thing we should probably find out. Is that film out in the world? Can we find that movie?

Speaker 4 We might buy a deview of it. We got to find it.
We got to find it.

Speaker 7 We do.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So, Christian, I had one last question, and it is

Speaker 4 what the future is for you. Because clearly you're talented at this,

Speaker 4 and I don't know if there's a still this exists or like you would be too you know you can't really be under the radar anymore so to speak so what like after everything happen you know settles let's say that you win your appeal does Christian Dawkins find his way back into the agent world this kind of uh gray area that the NCAA has created where where do you go Well, first and foremost, I want to do as much as I possibly can to share my story

Speaker 7 and through our foundation, try to get the incident away rules changed. That was part of the reason I did the documentary, just to kind of expose

Speaker 7 what the byproducts can be,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 what the incident away rules can cause basically.

Speaker 7 Um,

Speaker 7 so so that'll be my most important priority is through our foundation trying to get those rules changed. As far as me being back in the representation business, I manage artists and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 Now,

Speaker 7 if I'm going to be involved in the

Speaker 7 athlete business, it would have to be with agents who are certified and I'm overseeing.

Speaker 7 I don't have the time anymore to be as day-to-day as I was a couple years ago.

Speaker 7 So I have multiple businesses now. We're

Speaker 7 successful.

Speaker 7 God's blessed us through this COVID thing that we still have money coming in and everything like that.

Speaker 7 But as far as me with the management thing, that would be people. I'm just overseeing managers at this point.

Speaker 7 I can't, I don't have the time day to day because, like you said, I'm not really under the radar anymore.

Speaker 7 So, yeah, my plans is just to continue, you know, everything that I'm doing now on the label side. We have the joint venture at Atlantic.
We have a management company. We have a publishing company.

Speaker 7 Obviously, you know, we had the first, the scheme was the first project from a TV and film side, but there will be other announcements soon

Speaker 7 in the entertainment space. That's probably the only thing that I can say right now.

Speaker 4 Okay. My last question is, how much money is Coach K paying you to not throw him under the bus during this whole investigation?

Speaker 7 Listen, man,

Speaker 7 I wish. Coach K

Speaker 7 would do something for me. I have gotten nothing from Duke.
I will not let that be in the universe. Damn.

Speaker 7 um coach k coach k is just a great great person he's a great coach you're cutting out again christian can't hear you dude

Speaker 4 so it's a good amount

Speaker 4 that's hilarious that is hilarious real quick do it do a lot of these programs use like uh bitcoin and cryptocurrency to get away with with funneling some of this money I will tell you this, they should.

Speaker 7 If we use that, we wouldn't have been in this dynamic right now.

Speaker 7 that's the new that that is it's funny that you say that because and you're joking but like

Speaker 7 if the rules don't change they're gonna there's gonna have to be a way that the players and the families can continue to get what they're they're supposed to get it has to happen so it wouldn't surprise me if that's the that's the move in the next couple years if nothing changes

Speaker 4 I honestly don't know what I'm joking anymore. I think I was serious when I said that, actually.
Because it's frustrating. It's interesting to know.

Speaker 7 I mean, I think, honestly, listen, if the NCAA rules don't change, something is going to be the new thing because

Speaker 7 it is, again, that's how it works. It has to happen.

Speaker 7 So, what? It's the cost of doing business.

Speaker 4 What are the specific bylaws and rules that your foundation is trying to get changed right now?

Speaker 7 I just want, listen,

Speaker 7 the

Speaker 7 whole idea that everyone's going to get a salary and the players are all going to make

Speaker 7 money is probably not accurate. But I do think just the basic

Speaker 7 human right of being able to monetize your image, likeness, and name is something that is attainable for athletes. And that is the thing I think is most realistic and I wanna focus on.

Speaker 7 So there's conversations being had now with politicians and people that can actually change these laws.

Speaker 7 Obviously, you've seen stuff at the state level like in California, Florida, that's already taking place.

Speaker 7 So the momentum is in in the right direction. I think that

Speaker 7 our focus now is just going to be on solidifying and finalizing what the actual fine print will say, because that's something that's going to be hugely important for all athletes moving forward.

Speaker 4 Okay, awesome. Well, thank you very much, Christian.
We appreciate it. Everyone, go watch the scheme on HBO.
Christian Dawkins, thank you so much. Really appreciate your time, man.

Speaker 7 I appreciate you too, boss.

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