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Speaker 3 Today is Wednesday, April 1st, April Fool's Day, guys.

Speaker 3 We have no sports and everything's canceled forever.

Speaker 3 And I know I'm not trying to be a bummer, but when Brian Windhorse broke the Chinese basketball news to me, that was a gut punch because here's what I'm doing. I'm a calendar guy.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to figure out how we're going to get back into this thing.

Speaker 3 Chinese basketball, China is four months around, three months

Speaker 3 ahead of us, schedule-wise. That means we aren't going to have sports.
We're not going to be ready for sports at the very earliest, somewhere in June, July. And I don't think that's happening.

Speaker 6 I don't know how time zones work. I think they're only like 12 hours ahead.
At least when I was there, that's what the clock told me.

Speaker 6 I'm just thinking that China doesn't want us to have basketball. So that's why they're postponing their own season.
I think that...

Speaker 6 There's plenty of room for negativity to be coming up later this summer. Just give me something off in the distance that I can look forward to.
Give me a mirage that I can pull myself towards.

Speaker 6 Don't tell me that there's nothing out there. Allow me to be disappointed a little bit later.

Speaker 3 See, this is, I'm approaching this the exact opposite way. I have canceled sports for 2020, 2021, and possibly 2022.
And anything that we get that comes sooner than that is a bonus.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to let myself get my heart broken over and over because here's the thing. I'm so stupid, I still think somehow they're going to play March Madness.

Speaker 6 And I have to just remove myself from that that thought and be like listen nothing's getting played forever like not to be alarmist but the world has ended and sports are over well so that's not true first of all it's patently false and I can prove that's false because we are getting a golfing show down between Phil Nicholson and Tiger Woods with maybe Tom Brady and Peyton Manning like playing doubles against each other that would be awesome i think that like these celebrity golf things are are going to be the only thing that we're going to have to pull us through the springtime we could do

Speaker 6 like any sport that's one-on-one with distance, like tennis is perfect. We could just get Federic, have Federer play against Nadal every single weekend for the next three months.

Speaker 3 PFT, the future of sports is everyone watching video games and then every three weeks or so, a closed set where Dana White has people beat the fuck out of each other. That's all we have.

Speaker 6 You're forgetting about the Brady versus Manning thing.

Speaker 3 That's going to get canceled.

Speaker 6 I'm so like I'm not like you are, but it's going to be manning against Brady. I don't care if it's not football.
It's still,

Speaker 6 in my brain, it's football.

Speaker 3 They just created that event just so they can cancel it.

Speaker 3 Everyone's addicted to canceling shit now. It's fucking, it's a joke.
So I'm, I am, listen, this is the, this is.

Speaker 6 I want you to calm down.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. This is how, this is how you have to cope.
You have to put your guardrails up.

Speaker 3 You have to not let yourself get hurt repeatedly because I know some people are saying, oh, we'll wait till May 1st and we'll figure out.

Speaker 3 Just get this through your brain that we're never going to watch sports again. And then if they say, hey, guess what?

Speaker 3 We're going to play 10 games of baseball in fucking November, I'll be so pumped for that, I won't give a fuck. So that's where I'm going from.

Speaker 3 Like, if they give me an MLS, if the Sounders play the fucking Casey, whatever the hell they are, in

Speaker 3 December, I'm good with that because I've already set the expectation that I'm never going to see live sports again.

Speaker 6 Stand down. Stand down, pessimist cat, negativity cat.
i'm i'm not going to be able to deal with like

Speaker 6 going through the entire rest of this year with no sports whatsoever it's just not it's not even an option in my head we're going to get sports exactly that's why you're you know who's breaking your heart again

Speaker 6 i don't care my heart my heart is calloused over seven times there's enough game of thrones for me to watch going into 2022 if i have to okay i've got a stockpile of content that i can get into there's going to be sports wait wait hold on

Speaker 3 hold on is it weird though that you're watching game of thrones but you know exactly what happens because you watched the whole season last season with us.

Speaker 6 I watched the last season.

Speaker 3 And the full recaps that you talked about all the time.

Speaker 6 The recaps were about 15 minutes long, and every single clip was a second. So I don't know what the hell happens to any character.
I vaguely remember what happens to, like, to Aria.

Speaker 6 I know what happens to Aria and the Night King and all that stuff. I remember what happens to King's Landing.
at the very end and the dragons and all that.

Speaker 6 But there are so many characters in that show that

Speaker 6 I could not tell you what happens to the hound. I don't know what happens to Khaleesi's boyfriend or whatever.

Speaker 7 If I can make a recommendation, PFT, you should just skip to the third season and watch it 3-4-5-6-7-8-1-2.

Speaker 3 Yes. Fascinating.

Speaker 7 That's how true fans watch.

Speaker 3 Okay, all right.

Speaker 6 But no, big cat, here's what I'm saying. Like, there will be sports.
We need to say out loud, there will be sports. And you know why there will be sports?

Speaker 6 Because our good friend Mike Florio is going to ensure that there will be sports.

Speaker 6 Mike Florio is establishing emergency protocols. He wants the NFL to be run like the shadow government in case like New York, New York City and Washington, D.C.

Speaker 6 is hit with a thermonuclear bomb where they fly all the important people out to West Virginia, put them in the greenbrier in the hills, and just have it be a self-contained,

Speaker 6 coronavirus-free football league.

Speaker 3 Okay, you're you're misunderstanding where I'm coming from. I want there to be sports.
I want someone to solve it. I actually hated,

Speaker 3 I was watching, I don't even know, I was flipping through channels and I landed on the Lebartard show on Monday and they were making fun of Jay Williams and his cruise idea.

Speaker 3 You shut up Lebertard show. Anyone who has innovation in this sports, like trying to save sports, is welcome to me.

Speaker 3 Like I, Jay Williams, that idea is patently ridiculous, but I don't care because at least he's trying. So I'm down for people to try.
I will help trying. I'll use my brain.

Speaker 3 I will donate my brain to sports. I'm telling you, what I'm saying right now is to set the expectations so you cannot continually get your heart broken.
That's where I'm coming from.

Speaker 3 I do not want to tell myself, again, I'm the person who still thinks they're going to play March Madness. I don't know how, but I feel like they could.

Speaker 3 So what I'm trying to do here is set the expectation at no sports ever again. So that way, anything I get, I am so, so excited about.

Speaker 6 Okay. As a DC sports fan, I've had my heart broke enough where it's calloused over already.
I don't care if it continues to break my heart. I'm fine.
I'm fine.

Speaker 6 I'm just, I just need to have an illusion that there will be sports.

Speaker 3 But there are people out there who think that like May 1st, we're going to have sports. No, that's not going to happen.
That's not fucking crazy, man. That's not going to happen.
And I'm.

Speaker 5 Stop.

Speaker 6 I'm with you on the like, yeah, let's get as many minds, as many weird ideas in this room as possible.

Speaker 6 I want it to be like, you remember in Apollo 13 when they were trying to figure out how to fit that square air filter into the circle plug, and they just got all the nerds into a room and just dumped like coffee makers and shit onto a table.

Speaker 6 That's what America needs to be right now. We all need to be huddled in in the back room of NASA trying to contribute our ideas.
No stupid ideas, no such thing as a bad idea.

Speaker 6 Just dump it all out there on the table and i think we can make something happen so florio had the idea of putting all the all the nfl teams in the greenbrier the one resort in west virginia making everybody live there for a year florio just wants to be able to cover the team from his backyard like that's that's a

Speaker 3 like hey hey they should play the nfl they should play the nfl season in brooklyn Yeah, Mike Florio just doesn't want to fly because he's afraid of it.

Speaker 6 Yes. And so it's actually a genius move on his part.
But I don't hate the idea of whether it's the NBA or or the NFL or any sport playing in like a self-contained area because you can double dip.

Speaker 6 You can get a little extra revenue. You turn it also into a reality show, like the ultimate fighter.
So you get cameras inside the big houses.

Speaker 3 Like every single one.

Speaker 8 That's the big three's idea. Dude.

Speaker 6 The entire league is on hard knocks. And so it's a bonus reality show and sports league at the same time.
Like, let's, that's not a dumb idea.

Speaker 6 I know it's a dumb idea, but it's not a dumb idea right now. No,

Speaker 3 the big three is literally doing trying, trying to do exactly what you just said dude jay williams idea is smart it's stupid but it's fucking smart and he actually had a practical the thing what we need right now is everyone needs to start with a practical little colonel so his little colonel was that mickey air aironson the uh co the uh owner of the heat owns carnival cruises and you start an eastern conference cruise and a western conference cruise and you just fucking put the nba out in the ocean for the next three months and let them hash it out and everyone was mocking him and i don't want to hear that shit because because we need innovation.

Speaker 3 This is the Manhattan Project. This is the Manhattan Project to save sports.
So everyone shut the fuck up, get in line and figure out a way to give me a game.

Speaker 3 Because right now, you heard what I said at the start. I cancel sports till 2022.

Speaker 7 What is the Manhattan Project?

Speaker 3 The atomic bomb.

Speaker 6 It's two shots of bourbon, one of sweet vermouth, some bitters on top, on the rocks, shaking. Boom.
You're good. So I think that what we should do is let's just dump some ideas out there.

Speaker 6 Underwater football, but it's in a bubble, like at the bottom of the ocean.

Speaker 3 Okay. How about just going onto an island?

Speaker 6 I feel like you're going to want that ocean on top of you.

Speaker 3 No, I think we're going to do the NFL.

Speaker 3 The NFL actually should be looking at like island property right this second.

Speaker 3 They should be looking wherever the fucking Bahamas Bowls played, the Popeyes Bowl, when the MAC team goes there and scores like 100 points and the wind's blowing and there's like four people in the stadium, find that stadium wherever it is.

Speaker 3 I'm sure it's not hard because you could probably just Google it and set that up. Like, let's just play on an island.
Fuck it. Go to Hawaii.
Go back to the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 6 I mean, if we're doing Manhattan Project, let's go to the Bikini Islands and let's go to the middle of the desert in New Mexico. Yes.
I don't think that they've got an outbreak just there yet.

Speaker 8 Just play on former nuclear sites.

Speaker 6 How about that? That's actually perfect. I doubt the virus can exist in an environment where it's being bombarded by radiation all the time.

Speaker 3 They should play the NBA season. No one's in the hotels in Vegas right now.
Just fucking take over one huge hotel and seal that thing off, biodome that shit.

Speaker 3 Or even better, go to the Hoosiers gym in Indiana and watch everyone fucking, there's no three-pointers. And let's just go back in time and we'll play basketball that way.
I don't care.

Speaker 3 Like you, you take over a small town in Indiana, you could probably get away with, you know, not having the coronavirus get in.

Speaker 6 Where can the virus, where is it difficult for viruses to exist? In the heat?

Speaker 6 Is that what Fauci taught us?

Speaker 3 Nope. By the way, Fauci's a little bit of a a clout chaser.

Speaker 6 Fauci is getting, yeah.

Speaker 3 Trump is getting mad.

Speaker 6 You can tell that Trump's getting mad because Fauci's becoming more popular than he is. So pretty soon, Trump's going to be like, Fauci's getting his ideas from me.

Speaker 3 What about playing it on a Navy ship? It's no different aircraft character. That's what I'm saying.
Play Michigan State and fucking Memphis, play week one in college basketball.

Speaker 3 And it's always so stupid because no one knows how to handicap a game that has wind and it's on an actual boat, but I don't care.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, I'm fine with that. I've been fine.

Speaker 6 I think that was the first suggestion that we had was to play the NCAA tournament on a variety of aircraft carriers, bring the world together, and have you all contribute your military ships for the greater good.

Speaker 6 That would actually help solve world peace if we could just get all our militaries to collaborate together on sports.

Speaker 6 Or you just play them out like in a giant field with no out-of-bounds markers so everyone can practice distancing.

Speaker 6 Because here's the thing, it's going to be impossible. I saw that there was talk of having NFL teams use like virtual reality headsets to do virtual walkthroughs and practices and stuff.

Speaker 6 That's not going to work. That's not going to work at all.
I mean, I can see the draft working.

Speaker 6 Another option, just give us like a bunch of drafts. Just do like seven drafts this year.
The year that there were no sports, only drafts.

Speaker 3 Bill O'Brien is going to kick ass at participating in drafts where where he's not even allowed to have physical contact with a person that's what sold him on brock osweiler turn him around i i don't care whatever has to happen they need to figure it out and i'm sick and this is my message to all the haters out there who say like this is a ridiculous idea how could you be throwing these ideas out there when there's a pandemic listen We know that they're ridiculous ideas, but some of the one of these ideas is going to hit.

Speaker 3 And at some point, one of these leagues is going to be like, yeah, you know what? Let's move everyone to a remote island.

Speaker 3 Let's move everyone to a cruise ship so the more like the more we get this into the mainstream talk that they need to start doing innovative things the better so keep doing that and the one thing i will say that that like the one solace i take in all this is i'm pretty sure the sec will play no matter what like the nfl could be canceled college football would be canceled every sport would be canceled until 2021 and the sec would be like no the show must go on so i guess at least we have that nick saban at the very least is going to be like I'm going to be out there on Saturday.

Speaker 6 I'm going to be there. And he'll just go out in the sideline and expect his boys to follow him out.

Speaker 6 Like, Nick Saban, if you think that you're keeping Nick Saban in the house for an entire fall, buddy, you got another thing coming.

Speaker 3 All right. So, someone fixed sports for us.
We're open to all ideas. Don't be a hater when people throw out crazy ideas.
They're not that crazy because, guess what? We need sports back.

Speaker 3 We just need it. We need it.
We need it. We need it.

Speaker 3 Moon golf. Moon golf works.
Hit it a million miles. Keeps going.

Speaker 3 Should we do the NFL 100? The running backs?

Speaker 6 Spicy. I'm just mad about a list.

Speaker 3 Yeah. All right.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 3 So let me throw out there what they ended up with. They had 12 running backs on this list, 12, which is a lot.

Speaker 3 I think what do we have? What did we do last week? What do we do?

Speaker 3 What do we do? Tight ends. Tight ends.
Tight ends was only like five or six.

Speaker 3 So the running backs they have, they have pre-1970 running backs, Tim Brown, Marion Motley, Steve Van Buren, Lenny Moore, Earl Dutch Clark, and Gail Sayers.

Speaker 3 So that group, I don't even know what we do with that group. Sure.
Jim Brown

Speaker 3 obviously number one. Just go through it.
Like, whatever. Who cares? I don't know, you know, Gail Sayers.

Speaker 3 I know Gail Sayers, I know Jim Brown. The other guy's like, okay, I'll take your word for it, kind of thing.

Speaker 3 The six more recent, so 1970s on

Speaker 3 Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, O.J. Simpson, Eric Dickerson,

Speaker 3 Emmett Smith.

Speaker 3 Where do you want to start? Because I actually have.

Speaker 6 I'm just going to get started by saying, like, O.J. Simpson, like, I get it, but I mean, come on.

Speaker 6 You could have very easily not put O.J. Simpson on this list, and nobody would have been like, hey, what the fuck? Why didn't you put O.J.
Simpson on the list? I agree.

Speaker 7 He was a running back of the 70s, though. I know that because I just watched the documentary yesterday.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 He's the guy.

Speaker 7 He was the guy.

Speaker 7 It would be incorrect for them not to put him in there.

Speaker 3 I agree with you, PFT.

Speaker 3 I could do without him. I also could do probably without Earl Campbell.
And I have, I think Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmett Smith, and Eric Dickerson are pretty much locks in there.

Speaker 3 So if we're saying we're going to take Earl Campbell out and OJ Simpson, and let's just say, let's go. I would keep Earl Campbell.
Okay, well, I disagree. I think.

Speaker 6 Okay, let's get into it.

Speaker 3 I think the three running backs that they totally missed and that at least two, no, actually, I think all of them are better than Earl Campbell. Adrian Peterson should be in there.
Agreed.

Speaker 3 LaDanian Tomlinson should be in there, and Marshall Fox should be in there.

Speaker 6 Okay, those are the three that I had on my list as well. That you probably could.
I also put Frank Gore on that list.

Speaker 7 No, but I had Jamal Lewis as well. Wait, wait.

Speaker 6 Now,

Speaker 6 if you're going to be a Jason Witten guy, you have to be a Frank Gore.

Speaker 3 Hold on. Frank Gore is way.
Wait, hold on. Hold on.
I wasn't a Jason Witten guy. I never said Jason Witten should be

Speaker 3 in the best tight ends. I said he was in my third group or second group, the next group.
So he was never in my,

Speaker 3 no, but remember, I put him after three other people. So he wasn't even, I put him after Shannon Sharp.
I put him after Ozzie Newsome, and I put him after another person. So don't

Speaker 3 Jason Witten was never in my, in my, even close to my top tight ends.

Speaker 6 He sounded like a Jason Witten stand. So you also could have put Curtis Martin on this list, I thought.

Speaker 3 Earl Campbell, I think Earl Campbell.

Speaker 3 Hold on, go back to

Speaker 3 Frank Gore. You, and we're going to get to wide receivers, you want Larry Fitzgerald, who's also a compiler of stats.
So where do you stand on that?

Speaker 6 I just don't like Jason Witten.

Speaker 3 I've been very close. All right.
But I never said Jason Witten should be even close to the top five. I said he was just somewhere close.

Speaker 3 He was after three guys. I had three guys that were better than him.
What are you doing, Hank?

Speaker 6 I think Hank's remembering this conversation a little bit differently.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. I had three guys that were ahead of Jason Witten, so he was the ninth best tight end.

Speaker 6 Okay, of all time, which is, so that would, that would have Frank Gore as maybe my ninth best running back of all time.

Speaker 3 So you would have him above Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, Marshall Falk, LT, Eric Dickerson,

Speaker 3 Jim Brown, Gail Sayers, all these other guys they have pre-1970.

Speaker 6 No disrespect to Earl Dutch Clark, but you only get one Earl per list. It's a rule that I just made up right now, but I feel like it's a good rule for this NFL 100.

Speaker 6 And Earl Campbell is the Earl that I'm going to go with.

Speaker 3 I at least remember.

Speaker 6 I've seen him play, and he's a great player. He's a great college player, great NFL player.
You saw that play where he put his head down and just ran that guy over.

Speaker 3 But we can't in this list, I think we have to, unfortunately, the way they like compiled this list, they have six guys that are pre-1970.

Speaker 3 I don't think we can, like, we have to just go with their pre-1970 list. We have to, if we want to replace current running backs with the current running backs list, we can do that.

Speaker 3 But I don't think we can touch because otherwise I just eliminate everyone except Jim Brown and Gail Sayers from the pre-1970. You know what I mean? I'm fine with that.

Speaker 3 No, no, but I'm saying I don't think we can. I think to make it difficult, we cannot touch the pre-1970s list.

Speaker 6 How about this? We should be able to get rid of one of the guys. We out of the group of Earl Dutch Clark, Marion Motley, who

Speaker 6 the big takeaway about Marion Motley from the people that nominated him was that they said that offensively he was a blocker as much as he was a runner.

Speaker 3 All right, so we get one of them away. So

Speaker 6 you got Marion Motley and then you have Steve Van Buren,

Speaker 6 who has a total of 5,800 career rushing yards.

Speaker 3 All right, so pre-1970, you get to take away one. I agree with that.
Now, give me your list then of, so it would be, give me your seven

Speaker 3 1970s and on list.

Speaker 6 Okay, so in that case, I'm going to go with

Speaker 3 Earl Campbell,

Speaker 6 Eric Dickerson,

Speaker 6 Walter Payton, Barry Sanders,

Speaker 6 Emmett Smith, Marshall Falk. That's six.
How many do I get? One more?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 6 LaDania Tomlinson. That would be my list if I could get rid of one of them.

Speaker 3 Wait, you just don't.

Speaker 3 Did you say Barry Sanders?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Wait, say it again then.

Speaker 3 Earl Campbell.

Speaker 3 Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson,

Speaker 6 Walter Payton, Barry Sanders,

Speaker 6 Emmett Smith, Marshall Falk,

Speaker 3 LT.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 So I think you don't have Ariane Peterson. And you don't have Adrian Peterson.
Ah, shit.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Adrian Peterson actually coming. I'm taking Marshall Falk off, putting AP on.

Speaker 3 Okay, so I'll make the case that my list would be

Speaker 3 Walter Payton. Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, Emmett Smith, Adrian Peterson, Marshall Falk, and LT.

Speaker 3 So I was looking through it.

Speaker 3 If you want to do Earl Campbell, who's like a powered running back, Adrian Peterson, and you could make the argument that it's harder to be a runner in like this era of the NFL.

Speaker 3 Adrian Peterson had eight years over 1,000 rushing yards, and one year he had 970. That was, he played 12 games.
He tore his ACL.

Speaker 3 Earl Campbell had five years over 1,300 yards. And if you go their best year to best year, Adrian Peterson, less than nine months after tearing his ACL, had 2,097 yards, 12 TDs.

Speaker 3 Earl Campbell had 1,934 yards, 13 TDs. I think Adrian Peterson's a better, longevity-wise as well, a better running back than Earl Campbell.

Speaker 6 I think so, too, but I'm still keeping Earl Campbell on the list.

Speaker 6 And most of it, admittedly, is because of that cool play where he put his head down, ran the dude over, and then he got his jersey taken off as he was running forward. Because that's just cool play.

Speaker 6 That's his Heisman moment for the NFL 100 list.

Speaker 3 I think Adrian Peters should be on it. Peterson should be on it.
Marshall Falk. I was looking through the Marshall Falk numbers.

Speaker 3 He had 11 straight years over 1,000 yards from scrimmage, four straight

Speaker 3 over 2,000 yards. And then

Speaker 3 in his

Speaker 3 2,000 season, he had 2,189 all-purpose yards, 26 touchdowns. And LT is the biggest travesty to me because LT,

Speaker 3 going through LT's numbers, it's fucking insane. His peak was so ridiculous.

Speaker 3 He had eight seasons in a row with over a thousand yards, at least 10 TDs, and then he had 100 catches in 2003, so he could do both. And then that 2006 season, I went through the game logs.

Speaker 3 I don't know, like, there's probably some people listening who probably don't.

Speaker 3 I don't know how old you'd have to be. If you were.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, if you were, if you're like 20, even if you're 25, what year would you be? Hank, what year were you born? 93.

Speaker 3 2006. Okay, so if you're like 22, you probably don't fully remember 2006, Ladanian Tomlinson.
So from week eight to week 15, I'm just going to read the stats because they're fucking insane.

Speaker 3 This is like the old, the Barry Sanders, like, go-through his, or Jerry Rice fantasy stats.

Speaker 3 He had 240 all-purpose yards, three touchdowns, 192 all-purpose yards, three touchdowns, 158 all-purpose yards, four touchdowns, 179 179 yards, four touchdowns, 114 yards, two touchdowns, 192 yards, two touchdowns, 112 yards, three touchdowns, and 204 yards, two touchdowns.

Speaker 3 In eight weeks, the Chargers went 8-0, and he had 23 total touchdowns.

Speaker 6 It's pretty impressive.

Speaker 3 That's fucking insane. Yeah,

Speaker 6 LT very clearly should be on this list. And I don't know why they devalued modern running backs because I don't care who you talk to.

Speaker 6 Adrian Peterson and Ladanian Tomlinson are probably two of the top four in the history.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I don't know why they left them off this list. I don't understand Adrian Peterson over, or Earl Campbell over Adrian Peterson when you stack them up.

Speaker 3 And it's like Adrian Peterson did it for a lot longer. And not to mention, like, Adrian Peterson did lose a year of his career to, you know, the whole off-field issue, which was

Speaker 3 still his peak. His peak,

Speaker 3 he like didn't peak. It's crazy to look at Adrian Peterson and be like, how did this guy do this? Like when he had, he hit a thousand yards last year, right? Two years ago?

Speaker 6 A couple years ago, yeah.

Speaker 3 It's crazy. So I think he should be on the list.
So that was my biggest bone to pick. Take Earl Campbell, take O.J.
Simpson off, and throw those three guys on.

Speaker 6 Now, are they putting anybody on this list that is a current NFL network employee? Because maybe that was a conflict of interest type deal.

Speaker 3 For Marshall Falk?

Speaker 6 And for LT. Doesn't LT contribute to them?

Speaker 3 Oh, he might be. Yeah, yeah.
I don't know. I just thought the whole thing, like, I actually actually got kind of mad looking at all the stats and I was like, why aren't these guys on this list?

Speaker 3 This makes no sense to me. There were some no-brainers that, like, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmett Smith, like absolute no-brainers.

Speaker 3 But when it comes to Adrian Peterson, LT, and Marshall Fox, like, well, this makes no sense. These guys should all be on the list.

Speaker 6 I agree. So I think in hindsight, we basically agree on everything except for Earl Campbell.

Speaker 3 Right. You have Earl Campbell and I have Mount.
He only did it.

Speaker 6 You had Geneal Sayers.

Speaker 3 He didn't. I thought you said you took Earl Dutch Clark off.

Speaker 3 I did. Yeah, so you didn't have to take Gail Sayers off.

Speaker 6 I want to send a message.

Speaker 3 Gail Sayers was pre-1970.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Gail Sayers was a hell of a player.

Speaker 3 I mean, Gail Sayers was kind of the,

Speaker 3 if you look, he doesn't have the stats. He was the more like, what if he didn't get hurt? And like, what if he played in modern era and was able to recover from a knee injury?

Speaker 6 Yeah, he was like, if you've watched Reggie Bush's highlights in college, that's what Gail Sayers looked like. Right.

Speaker 3 He's, he was like the tape kick where it's like the stats might not even come close to all these other guys, but if you watched the tape, you're like, this guy was just something out of control.

Speaker 6 He was cool. He was very cool.

Speaker 6 Also, the more I think about Earl Campbell, I think living in Austin probably is pushing me more towards wanting Earl on this list because the airport there, the bar is called Earl Campbell's. And so.

Speaker 6 When I was waiting for my plane, I would have a couple tall, cold Earl Campbells and have some good memories of that place.

Speaker 3 I'm not taking anything away from Earl Campbell. He's a hell of a running back, but if you're talking about like the longevity of Adrian Peterson, LT, Marshall Falk, I think should count.

Speaker 3 And Earl Campbell was fantastic, but it was really a three-year peak, four-year peak, and you know, his body kind of betrayed him. So I think that that's where I add the other three guys.

Speaker 6 I just think it's kind of ridiculous to have somebody with 5,800 career rushing yards on the list of best running backs of all time.

Speaker 3 And then one guy that was like a better linebacker than he was a running back yeah the pre-1970s i mean they're just doing it to be like no one's going to argue with that because like how could we we don't know and if belichek says that like he belich probably has watched every single game of steve van buren i was actually i actually thought that marion motley was a guy that belichek just invented to see if anyone was paying attention because he was marion motley sounds like he's what he wanted uh rob ninkovich to be like a great linebacker and a serviceable running back yeah and and belich Belichick definitely could sneak one on and be like, yeah, I used to watch this tape on my refrigerator with my dad and everyone would be like, okay, sounds good, coach.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he's a four-time AAFC champion.

Speaker 8 Okay, that's cool. Yep.
Sounds good.

Speaker 3 Sounds perfect.

Speaker 3 All right. It's good to get mad about a list.

Speaker 3 It's like all we have left. I actually get excited to look at these lists and be like, all right, where the fuck am I going to get mad about?

Speaker 3 What are we going to do next week? We're going to do QBs?

Speaker 6 You want to dive right into QBs?

Speaker 3 I don't know. It's going to be tough to like do do secondary and stuff.
I don't really know how. I mean, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 We got to do the top. It's two wide receivers.

Speaker 6 It's two wide receivers. All right.

Speaker 3 They all want to do wide receivers. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 They also released their top 100 games, and that's the thing that got me the most upset.

Speaker 3 Okay, we can get mad about that, too. What was their number one game? The Ice Bowl?

Speaker 7 All right. I don't even.
I forget.

Speaker 1 It was disgusting.

Speaker 6 Probably that Chargers, that overtime game in the playoffs, right?

Speaker 7 I feel like Peyton Manning breaks the single season, like regular season passing record.

Speaker 3 Drew Bree's Monday night game, the 15th one when he broke a record.

Speaker 7 By the way, I'm not even kidding. Like, there's like four of those in the top 20.

Speaker 6 Have you seen Sean Payton giving like fewer and fewer fucks as he gets older and older and goes on TV more?

Speaker 6 Like he's going on TV on like first take and breaking news and just saying, yeah, Drew Bree's going to retire after this year casually.

Speaker 6 I think that he's just like when he, when Sean Payton survives the coronavirus, he is going to be giving so many fewer fucks than he even was before. He's just going to go out there and be like,

Speaker 6 Taysom Hill, you're going to do onside kicks and recover him yourself too. Like he's just going to go off the deep end.

Speaker 3 He tweeted it like he's just started tweeting his playbook the other night. It was sick.
It was,

Speaker 3 I mean, shout out Sean Payton. He's like in this with everyone else.
He's like, what does it matter? We might never get this. We never may never get sports back again.

Speaker 3 I'm just going to give you guys all my playbook. Right.

Speaker 6 He's going to have the Saints spray paint like the Roger Goodell clown logo at center field or at midfield. That's how that's how like old grandpa I give no fuck Sean Payton is getting right now.

Speaker 3 Love it. Need more of it.
All right.

Speaker 3 Let's do hot seat cool throne.

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Speaker 3 Hank, hot seat, cool thrown.

Speaker 7 My hot seat is nerds.

Speaker 7 I feel like during this quarantine, like now all the NBA can do, they're starting to have NBA 2K leagues where all the players are just playing 2K, MLB is doing it.

Speaker 7 Everyone's getting into video games, and I feel like nerds have gotten their culture appropriated.

Speaker 7 Like, there's no situation where all the nerds would start playing sports, but all the sports athletes are playing video games. And I'm sure, like, all the Call of Duty servers are full.

Speaker 7 Like, it's kind of a shit show. So, I'm sure the nerds are heated and upset.

Speaker 3 Yes, they

Speaker 6 were here first. Yeah, I was born in the darkness.
You merely inherited it.

Speaker 3 We're on their block.

Speaker 7 Exactly.

Speaker 3 Okay, good one.

Speaker 7 And then my cool throne, this is kind of a cool throne hot in the streets.

Speaker 7 This is the new hot thing on TikTok. All the kids are doing it.
It's called

Speaker 7 being shy.

Speaker 7 This is the new universal sign for being shy.

Speaker 6 Like that, fingers together. Hank, it's a podcast, though, so you have to tell people what you're doing.

Speaker 7 And you just put your fingers together. Yeah, you point your two fingers together.

Speaker 6 Do you touch tips? Do you dock your index fingers?

Speaker 7 You do touch tips.

Speaker 3 Dude, I love that.

Speaker 7 It's the new, like, you know, like when you're being shy, but you have to podcast and you just do this.

Speaker 6 I feel like Hank's doing something and making us do the signal and we don't really know what it means.

Speaker 7 No, no, it's it's I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

Speaker 6 I don't know what this means. And I'm going to stop.

Speaker 3 It means being shy. I do love all the all the fraud introverts that have to like live with this right now.
You know, all the people are like, I'm actually an introvert. I don't really want to go out.

Speaker 3 It's like now they're stuck with this. Like, yeah, let's see how introverted you are, motherfucker.
That's always, that's always nice. I want to talk to one of those, the introvert, extrovert people.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I'm going to take you out back and make you smoke a whole pack of being introvert see how you like it then exactly uh pipsy what do you got my hank explain to me what that is with the being shy touch i literally just did

Speaker 3 all of a sudden you're doing stuff

Speaker 6 it's no it's it's it's hank's i know hank i do see your brain working right now we're gonna look like fools you're gonna put like you're gonna add in like a little dancing bit moji on my fingers and you're gonna make me look like a jackass hank no i'm telling you get on tick tock you'll be viral as fuck just being like when you have to be shy but you have to podcast Okay.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. He's actually, I am looking.
Images for being shy in those two fingers touching, are they?

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 My hot seat.

Speaker 3 It also says you're down to be pegged.

Speaker 3 Okay, well, that's good. Fuck, Hank.

Speaker 7 You took it too far.

Speaker 6 You got too deep into Google.

Speaker 3 All right, what do you got, PFT?

Speaker 6 My hot seat's the rest of the world because USA Rugby is up for chapter 11 bankruptcy. So

Speaker 6 I don't know what that means, but I think that it means that I can buy it, that I can bail it out, that they can offload themselves onto me.

Speaker 6 I don't know, because all my bankruptcy knowledge comes from either Wheel of Fortune or just the office gift when Michael's screaming, I declare bankruptcy.

Speaker 6 So I don't know what it means, but I feel like it means that I can purchase every single rugby team and event in the United States, and then it becomes mine.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 So what's your first plan of action?

Speaker 6 First plan of action, every team gets a Pro Bowl linebacker from the NFL. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 I'm telling you, but the rules don't apply to them.

Speaker 3 No, no, no.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's the one. You can't commit a penalty.
No, no, no. We're not talking about what you're going to do with the league.
What's your first plan of action to actually get the league?

Speaker 6 We signed Tim Tebow.

Speaker 3 No, no, no.

Speaker 3 How are you going to get it?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 6 Neon jerseys on every team.

Speaker 6 Wait, wait, how am I going to get it?

Speaker 7 How are you going to acquire the league?

Speaker 6 I just told you, I don't know how bankruptcy works, but

Speaker 6 I'm pretty sure it means I can just bid $50,000 for the entire USA rugby. And if everyone else forgets to bid on it, then it becomes mine, right?

Speaker 3 So then you probably shouldn't talk about it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm going to bid $51,000.

Speaker 6 Then I come in second place and by the rules of rugby,

Speaker 3 I'm going to buy it and then just disband it right away. So we don't be there to talk about it anymore.

Speaker 6 I'll be there to collect the sweet, sweet drippings from that.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I'll be like the guys from Succession when they bought the fake Deadspin.
And I'm just going to gut it.

Speaker 6 You're not going to gut it. It's impossible.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm going to gut it.

Speaker 6 No, it's too gritty to be gutted. I think that I could make a good USA rugby president.
I just don't know how much it's going to cost. And I don't know how to run a league.

Speaker 6 But it'd be pretty cool to own an entire

Speaker 6 organization like that, wouldn't it?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it'd be cool to win.

Speaker 7 I want to try and get a sports team.

Speaker 3 It'd be cool to have sports back. We're talking about things that aren't realistic.

Speaker 6 That is realistic.

Speaker 6 How much do you think USA rugby costs uh i don't know i have no fucking clue what what it entails i bet most people don't so ten million dollars economy person to buy ten million dollars okay hey i'm gonna own usa rugby that's all i'm saying my cool throne is bored nba fans on reddit so if you think that mike greenberg comes up with some dumb rules and dumb theories uh you should check out nba was it like nba slash reddit slash nba i don't know what it is anyways uh here's a great theory that somebody came out with just because they're bored and there's no basketball Could an owner theoretically marry a player in order to circumvent the salary cap?

Speaker 6 It's actually brilliant, isn't it?

Speaker 3 Yes, that is brilliant. I don't see any holes in that.
I don't either.

Speaker 6 Michael Jordan could probably adopt his son, or you know, he could just have his son play if he was any good and just like write him more and more into the will every year.

Speaker 7 Like adoption

Speaker 6 isn't the same as marriage. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Why not?

Speaker 7 I don't know. I just feel it that way.

Speaker 6 Would someone who's not adopted?

Speaker 3 Can you adopt

Speaker 3 a grown adult? Yeah, exactly. You can.
I think you can.

Speaker 7 It's not a dependent.

Speaker 3 Tax.

Speaker 3 Look at that. Look at Hank.
Tax Hank.

Speaker 6 I don't know how that works.

Speaker 3 That's pretty good.

Speaker 3 I think the hot sequel drone is PFTE. You don't know how any of this stuff works, but your ideas are there.

Speaker 7 That's my other cool drone is just saying in this economy, because I've been saying it. Yeah.
I'm addicted to it.

Speaker 3 We're in a recession is back. That's big time back.
You can say that for everything.

Speaker 7 Does anything anyone says in this economy?

Speaker 3 yeah like no come on no no way we're in recession dude

Speaker 3 all right so i i i think marrying

Speaker 3 are there any are there any female owners i mean i guess you could marry

Speaker 3 genie bus yeah genie bus could she probably did marry lebron maybe she should adopt bronnie james jr before he turns 18. there now there's what you do yeah I mean, I don't see a problem with that.

Speaker 6 I think that you can like, okay, so what if Bronnie becomes a great player and then LeBron just says, I will add you into the will more and more every single year if you agree to sign with the Lakers.

Speaker 3 That's going to happen, I think.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that can definitely happen.

Speaker 6 That could, like, LeVar Bonnie.

Speaker 7 Oh, shit. I didn't even want to say this out loud.

Speaker 3 Oh, no. Say it.
Go off, game. It's that good of an idea.
By the way, fuck LeBron for pretending that he brought the fucking Jordan dock out. Like, everyone knew it was coming.

Speaker 3 Everyone knew it was coming. Literally.
I'm happy it's here, but everyone knew it was coming.

Speaker 7 Some team needs to give LeBron equity, and then LeBron can do what we're saying and just pay Bronny less. And it's LeBron's son.
Like, obviously, Bronny's taken care of.

Speaker 6 Well, I mean, LeBron could already do that with his son and just write him into the business. He needs a best friend to progressively write him into the wheel.

Speaker 3 He could own a team. That would actually be the most likely is LeBron owns a team and then just signs his son for nothing.

Speaker 6 And then LeBron Jr. kills his dad to get all the money.
Yeah. It's kind of Shakespearean.

Speaker 3 He can't play in the games because he's in jail.

Speaker 6 No, OJ. He gets away with it, though.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah. I've been watching that.

Speaker 3 And but LeBron's dead?

Speaker 3 I knew I could get you to say that.

Speaker 3 What about LeVar Ball?

Speaker 6 Since he's worth a billion dollars, he could probably write all his sons into the world and have so much more money left over.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's true. Billion dollar big baller brand.
All right. My hot seat is podcasts.

Speaker 3 So podcast numbers are down i read an article today so it's just a reminder to everyone to subscribe unsubscribe rate it five star we're gonna do roast on friday let's do roast on friday so leave a five star review and roast us but yes podcast turns out no one's commuting which is a good thing but that's when people listen to their podcasts and running in the gym And pretty much anywhere where they're not in their house.

Speaker 7 Right.

Speaker 6 I'm starting to listen to more podcasts as I fall asleep, even non-sleep-related podcasts.

Speaker 6 Play each part of my take twice, once when you normally listen, and then a second time as you're falling asleep.

Speaker 3 Yes. Yes.
So podcasts are getting hurt. We're actually fine.
We actually had a meeting about it, but podcasts, I think the podcast bubble is coming for everyone.

Speaker 3 So we're just planning ahead here and telling everyone, hey, maybe do your part and make sure you tell everyone to subscribe to part of my take over and over and over.

Speaker 3 Tell all your social distancing friends to subscribe to part of my take over and over.

Speaker 3 All right. And then my cool throne is anyone who wasn't

Speaker 3 part of my take didn't exist, but so anyone who wasn't a stoolie in 2015, because tomorrow night or tonight, they're replaying the Final Four and National Championship game from 2015 on CBS Sports.

Speaker 3 I've never watched the game on TV. I was at the game.
Hank was right next to me. I'm going to live tweet Kentucky versus Wisconsin, and then I'm going to Periscope

Speaker 3 Wisconsin versus Duke. And I've never watched the game.
So anyone who missed out on laughing at my dead corpse, we're going to do it all over again. It's going to be fucking great.
Little fun Charles.

Speaker 7 I remembered earlier, Big Cat, you basically shamed me out of wearing a Duke shirt to that game.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes, I did.

Speaker 7 You were like,

Speaker 7 are you here for work or are you here for Duke?

Speaker 3 I was like, well,

Speaker 3 both.

Speaker 7 And then it got in my head and I had to wear like a normal shirt. And afterwards, I was like, wait,

Speaker 3 I'll cheat out the rundown after.

Speaker 3 I mean, like, that game game meant everything to every like that game was everything i'll never get back to that point you'll be back to that point a million times over

Speaker 3 and that still stands true so there's also a picture out there someone has it i as i was walking out i i gave the finger to the duke's like student section like full on two birds out of just pure not funny pure anger i don't know if anyone has that picture but tweeted at me i was so so mad and uh yeah it was a terrible night so we're going to relive it tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 So anyone who wasn't able to enjoy that the first go-around, you can get it. Kentucky game was great, though.
Kentucky game was.

Speaker 3 Hank can attest, I didn't leave the bar after the Kentucky game for two days straight. I just was drunk for two days straight.
And I, because I was like, I'll never be back in that moment.

Speaker 3 I'd never be back in that moment.

Speaker 6 I think I speak for everybody out there that's listening that says that you should do Soggy Soros after the I mean, I'll probably start crying.

Speaker 3 Good point.

Speaker 3 I'll probably start crying. Thanks, I agreed.
It will probably be Soggy Sorrows.

Speaker 6 And get a cat.

Speaker 3 And get get a cat. And get a cat.

Speaker 3 All right. That is, so that's tomorrow night.
So tune in. It's going to suck.

Speaker 3 I'm going to get so mad about the refs Hank. Because have you ever re-watched it?

Speaker 7 No, no.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm going to get really mad. I'm going to make a fucking, I'm going to come out of that like Pepe Sylvia and just be like, just a huge corkboard of all the fucking calls.

Speaker 7 But you know, they're going to have, it's going to be one of those things where they have obviously selectively like edited it. So they're going to like, it's going to be the

Speaker 3 controversial call, and it'll just skip to the the next play like real quick yeah coach k probably had final cut on this on this broadcast for sure yeah the the kentucky game was awesome though yes it's i still can't believe wisconsin won that game 38 and one and and kentucky fans are still mad about it which it was so it was so fair i was i was uh on a bachelor party that weekend in key west and i remember watching that game in the bar and that uh monday championship game when i came back was one of the worst hangovers of my life so i don't even remember watching the game i was stone cold sober i watched the entire thing but my brain has just wiped clean that slate too so i'll watch it i'll watch it for the first time uh just to enjoy you enjoying it i uh i i also remember i drove back that next day on that tuesday morning back to chicago with one of my best friends and we it's like a three-hour drive and we said not a single word to each other for on a three-hour drive not one single word and it was just like It was misery.

Speaker 3 All right.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on one of our longtime friends, recurring guests. This is actually part of the lockdown.

Speaker 1 We've kind of been going back in time, and you are one of our first big guests that helped us break through. It is Adam Morrison calling us from his apocalypse bunker.

Speaker 1 Adam, how are you doing? First of all, like we were talking, we were texting a week ago, and obviously with diabetes,

Speaker 1 that's an underlying health condition. So you're taking obviously this very seriously.
But how is it out there being

Speaker 1 on lockdown and seeing everything that's going down?

Speaker 11 It's all right. I mean, I self-quarantine.
I was in Vegas for

Speaker 11 the WCC tournament calling those games.

Speaker 11 So I haven't left the house pretty much since i got back and then you know the governor of the state uh did a mandatory lockdown i think it was three days ago so um

Speaker 11 you know it's kind of weird i think everybody's going through their own little deal but yeah and you know type one diabetes has it a little bit scary for me um just trying to be out in public so i've been avoiding it at all costs but uh

Speaker 11 Yeah, just like everybody else, man, just kind of in shock of just how much this has affected everyday life.

Speaker 1 Do you prefer to be introduced as two-time NBA NBA champion, Adam Morrison? Did we drop the ball on that one?

Speaker 11 No, not at all.

Speaker 11 I handed out water and towels and stuff during that time, so I could let that one slide, but no, no thanks.

Speaker 1 I think recurring guest old-time friend and guy who helped us put us on the map is also the creator of part and my take, Adams. Pretty much.

Speaker 11 I'll take that one, but you guys have also done all the work, but I appreciate it. But yeah, the two-time NBA champion one, you know,

Speaker 11 I appreciate it, but also I'm not a narcissist or anything like that. So just Adam's fine.

Speaker 1 All right, so let's do a little quick history lesson for maybe some newer AWLs, because this was literally like the second or third month.

Speaker 1 We had Kyle Wilcher on the show right before Gonzaga played in the tournament, and he just happened to drop the fact.

Speaker 1 that maybe not be is a fact that Adam Morrison has an apocalypse bunker in his house. And you came on after.
We cleared it up.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 1 now would be a pretty cool time to have an apocalypse bunker, wouldn't you say?

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah, it's more or less a

Speaker 11 regulated gun room by the state. I have to have everything locked up.
So, yeah, but

Speaker 11 it's not an underground bunker or anything. But according to the law, I have to have everything locked properly.
So I do.

Speaker 1 How long could you survive in that room if, like, hypothetically, you accidentally got locked in there?

Speaker 11 Not very long. I don't have

Speaker 11 sanitation or, you know, I didn't panic by toilet paper and all that stuff like everybody did.

Speaker 11 Like I said, it's just, you know, it's just a room that's got a locked door on it. And then I got, you know, gun safes that I keep, you know, stuff that I have to.
It's by the law and stuff. So,

Speaker 11 but yeah,

Speaker 11 it would make sense now to kind of have one.

Speaker 1 Yes, big time. In retrospect, yeah.
So obviously there are more important things going on. More there's there's a lot of things that are being taken away from people right now.

Speaker 1 Their livelihoods, their, you know, their jobs, their social lives, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 But I have to also imagine that there's like a little part of you that is extremely disappointed that it sounds like Rage Against the Machines tour might be postponed for a long time.

Speaker 11 I was actually, I had tickets to the Portland show and I got General Admission once. So yeah, I'm pretty disappointed.
But I've seen him twice.

Speaker 11 I saw him at Coachillo 07 and I saw him at the LA Rising. And I I had a relationship with Tom Murillo for a while.
And I got to meet him a couple of times. I used to get him Laker tickets.

Speaker 11 And I've met Zach DeLaropa at the L.A. Rising.
So I'm pretty fortunate. But yeah, it sucks

Speaker 11 because

Speaker 11 they're a band that you can't go see at the casino when they're 65. So it's kind of

Speaker 5 to the point

Speaker 11 that you got to see them now when there's still energy behind it. So

Speaker 11 yeah,

Speaker 11 that's one of the minor things, obviously, like you mentioned. But

Speaker 11 they're unbelievable live if you've never seen them.

Speaker 1 All right, so the other minor thing,

Speaker 1 we got to talk a little Gonzaga hoops.

Speaker 1 Looking at the, I mean, the NCAA field was so wide open this year, and Gonzaga definitely was one of those teams that they were going to get a one seed.

Speaker 1 It felt like this was going to be a year where they're going to make a deep run.

Speaker 1 Being around the team and seeing that, like, do you think that this team had the makeup to make that deep run? And how disappointing was it, like, talking to all the guys afterwards?

Speaker 11 Well, i think um you know obviously i call all the games so yeah i've seen them from the the start of the season obviously to the end i think they had

Speaker 11 you know the lineup um to at least get past the first weekend for sure and and and we were slotted probably to be in spokane as well as one of the sites which is crazy um we were going to be a number one seed and then be in spokane

Speaker 11 But I think, all honesty, they had,

Speaker 11 you know, a really good chance to make a Final Four.

Speaker 11 You know how it is with NCA tournament. The matchups, the draws matter.
We lacked depth, but we also had

Speaker 11 a whole lot experience in the back court. We had

Speaker 11 pretty balanced scoring.

Speaker 11 I think we were number one in the in team scoring in points per game or scoring margin. So we had all the talent, but again, it's literally kind of a coin flip once you get past the first weekend.

Speaker 11 Um, but I I definitely think they could have uh at least been a Final Four team,

Speaker 11 you know, if everything went right. And then you never know what can happen from them.
But it's

Speaker 11 it feels so ancillary talking about hoops now because it's just like, well, what if? And now, like you said, everybody's just worried about what the fuck's going to happen next.

Speaker 11 And it's just literally day-to-day.

Speaker 11 So, yeah, I haven't really haven't put much thought into it, to be honest, because we landed from the WCC tournament and they had no fans, so everybody was pissed and spoke and.

Speaker 11 And then, literally, the next day, it was like fucking no tournament. It was just, it's been, it's been crazy on that front, obviously.
I don't know, man, this is this shit's bananas.

Speaker 1 So, did you guys actually play in any games in that tournament before they canceled?

Speaker 11 Because they played it. Yeah, we won the tournament, and

Speaker 11 I was a little bit nervous going to it. I had a birdie in my ear telling me this corona shit's going to get worse.

Speaker 11 So, I was a little bit

Speaker 11 scared to get on a plane then, you know, so I went down there

Speaker 11 and it was the first time I never gambled. I didn't do anything.

Speaker 5 I went to my room. I barely went out.

Speaker 11 But yeah, it was

Speaker 11 just an eerie feeling because right when the tournament ended is when the Big Ten canceled theirs, the ACC canceled theirs. So then you're sitting there like, well, fuck.
This is real.

Speaker 11 And I was just in an arena every night for, you know, two nights in a row. I went to the UFC fight, actually, too.

Speaker 11 And I was like, fuck, I was just in an arena with, you know, 20,000 people that could have it. And it's, it's been crazy just thinking of that.

Speaker 11 You know, so

Speaker 11 yeah,

Speaker 11 a lot of people were nervous down there before it even was announced, just talking to the other staff on the media guys. We were doing the elbow bumps and the finger points and all that shit.

Speaker 11 Like even in the media room, I didn't even want to touch it.

Speaker 5 It's just, it's been crazy ever since, obviously, too.

Speaker 1 So when you were calling those games, was it weird knowing that the players on the court could probably hear what you were saying?

Speaker 1 Because there were no, you know, obviously no crowd noise or anything like that.

Speaker 11 Oh, no, we had fans. No, there was fans in the arena.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was the last tournament.

Speaker 5 Right early, early.

Speaker 11 That was the last conference tournament, yeah. The WCC was probably the last one that completed.
Yes.

Speaker 11 And then everybody did the no fans, and then just right after that, you know, I think what they play only one game in the Big Ten tournament, then canceled it or whatever. So

Speaker 11 I don't know. It's been really weird

Speaker 11 sports-wise. I mean, what the fuck do you guys even talk about?

Speaker 5 Apocalypse bunkers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We just get weird with it.
We just, our brains go to dangerous places.

Speaker 1 We are doing like kind of a memory lane, too, having some of our old-time recurring guests on because it's like this is back to when we do Skype and all that stuff. And it's weird.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is a weird, weird time.

Speaker 1 I had one last question. I don't know if I've asked you this, but do you still, obviously not right now, but do you still play pickup hoops

Speaker 1 when the world is normal?

Speaker 11 I don't.

Speaker 11 I coach my daughter's basketball team. I obviously call games.

Speaker 11 So I get my cup filled in that regard. You know what I'm scared of is getting like an Achilles tear or something.
I know I was

Speaker 11 like, you pussy or something like that, but like I tore an ACL in the NBA, and

Speaker 11 me imagining rehabbing for no reason after that would just be the worst thing ever. So I don't do shit.

Speaker 11 i the last time i played was i played back to the basket one-on-one with uh jonathan williams who played in the league for a little bit i gonzag and another kid and i drew up walking to my car in the parking lot afterwards and we didn't even do it was back to the basket i mean i i fucking i'm soft as tissue paper right now so i couldn't even go up and down It would be sick, though, if you just showed up to a YMCA wearing like

Speaker 11 a very loose-fitting Heather gray Russell athletic t-shirt and like some really short blue athletic shorts and new balances and just pretended like you didn't know what you were doing but you were just wet from three yeah three-point line to three-point line yeah i could do i could still shoot jumpers i know that but like i said my wind is fucking awful and like my hamstrings hurt fucking walking up the stairs so i don't even know what i could do right now but yeah no hoops for me man no up and down i need that i i just always think about like retired athletes like how awesome it would be to just go and dominate people you just strap on some rec specs you might not even need the rec specs but it just kind of completes the look yeah john stockton has uh he lives in town and he has a sunday league that's pretty good and really gives me shit every time i see him um because he still plays and he's still good obviously but i'm always like john i just uh no thanks man but he's always called me a pussy and

Speaker 11 you know in a nice way but yeah he still plays and there's guys that played in new york and stuff are playing it so i could if i wanted to that's the only way i would do it is play with guys that played before i love that

Speaker 11 i love that john stockton is getting mad at people for not showing up to his game because he just wants to feed you assists yeah he's like gut you pussy show up to a game so i can i can hand you the rock and get you 18 points he he used to come to our gonzega practices when i was a freshman and he was i think it was about five or six years out the league he'd ride at 10 speed he'd have his shoes on with his socks and his short shorts and John never stretched.

Speaker 11 I don't think anybody ever knew that, like, didn't believe in it. And he would warm up.
He'd go up and down maybe twice with a basketball.

Speaker 11 And then he'd be like, all right, let's go and just bust everybody's ass. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 5 Oh, it's like five years after he retired. That's incredible.

Speaker 11 It was incredible.

Speaker 11 He had this doctor in Utah. I visited him one time after him that did like this weird chiropractice shit and you like held pills in your hand and did like squats and stuff.

Speaker 11 And it was like a rollfer or some, I don't know what it was, but it worked for John. But like he never stretched, never did any of that shit.
I think he played 16 years without missing a game.

Speaker 11 so I have that for science I guess

Speaker 1 John Stockton never stretched um all right man well take care of yourself and hopefully we see you sooner than later because that would mean sports are back and uh we'll talk soon yeah guys you two stay safe man be safe

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Speaker 3 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is the longest-serving active member of the IOC.
He was once the VP of the IOC. He also was the first president of the World Anti-Doping Agency.

Speaker 3 It is Dick Pound. Thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 3 We have a lot of questions. Obviously, we're trying to figure out where to go with coronavirus taking away sports and what stories to cover.

Speaker 3 And we thought you'd be great to have on because just last week, the Olympics got postponed for a year. So let's start there.
Let's start with the decision-making process behind that.

Speaker 3 What was that the last like few weeks before you officially suspended it like?

Speaker 3 And what were the different alternatives that the IOC was discussing on how they could maybe get the games to be played this year?

Speaker 5 Well, the alternatives were were to carry on with the July 24th start if it looked like

Speaker 5 the virus was being sufficiently contained and that the curve was

Speaker 5 rounding out.

Speaker 5 That clearly wasn't happening. So your other two alternatives are cancellation, which is something that the IOC is entitled to do if it's concerned about the safety of participants.

Speaker 5 And I mean, up to now, it's always been because of wars. We've never had this particular threat.

Speaker 5 You know, we had it before Rio, the Zika virus, is going to end life as we knew it, but it was largely a manufactured crisis and

Speaker 5 never happened. But this is

Speaker 5 of a different order. And then the other alternative, if you can make it happen,

Speaker 5 is to postpone.

Speaker 5 And that's the sort of the middle ground that we were looking at. It took a while to get there because while you can unilaterally cancel if you're the IOC,

Speaker 5 you can't unilaterally postpone. You need to get

Speaker 5 your partners, the organizing committee and the Japanese government, to come to the same conclusion, which they did.

Speaker 5 And then when we checked with the World Health Organization, they said, look, this curve is going up. It's not coming down.
So we said, all right, it doesn't look like the July 24th start will work.

Speaker 5 Will a postponement work? Yes, that would work. Are the Japanese willing to do it? Yes, it turned out that they were.
And then you have to pick a date so you can stick a pin

Speaker 5 on a start date, and then everybody rejigs the many, many

Speaker 5 conclusions and deadlines and opportunities and obligations to meet the new date. And that's where we are now.

Speaker 6 Don, did it rub you the wrong way at all going through the process?

Speaker 6 It seemed like the International Olympic Committee was putting out signals saying, okay, we very clearly need to postpone, we need to postpone.

Speaker 6 And the host committee, they seem to drag their feet on it a little bit, especially towards the end there. Did you have to put any pressure on them to help them reach that same conclusion?

Speaker 5 Not so much pressure as saying, look, we're delighted that you seem to have a reasonable handle on things in Japan.

Speaker 5 But if you look around the world, the risk is if you persist with a July 24, 2020 date, you throw this big party and nobody can come to it because they can't travel and then they haven't had a chance to practice and so on.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 that would be a worse alternative for you than a postponement. And a cancellation just puts

Speaker 5 everything

Speaker 5 in

Speaker 5 the trash bin because nothing happens. And so from the Japanese, they've got all that investment on which there's no return.

Speaker 5 And as far as the Olympic athletes are concerned, a whole generation of Olympic athletes gets thrown into the dust pile too. So postponement was the right answer.

Speaker 3 So what I'm curious about is when I don't really understand or I don't follow how all the teams get made in the Olympic process, but were there any teams that were already decided?

Speaker 3 And then what happens to the athletes that potentially made the team, made these Olympics?

Speaker 5 Do they automatically make the next ones or is it just country to country they have to decide their own you know decision who's on the team who's going to be competing in the 2020 now 2021 Olympics yeah it depends to some degree on the sport in in some sports you qualify by team you know the United States is entitled to enter a team Canada is entitled to enter a team what the mix of the of the players on the team can be determined you know right up until games time practically in other sports where you you qualify on the basis of time or finish in the world championships or whatever the particular sport decides,

Speaker 5 it looks like the international sports federations have said: look, if you qualified already on that basis, you retain your qualification. And if you haven't, then you go into whatever

Speaker 5 the qualification

Speaker 5 process will be for a 2021 event. And

Speaker 5 it's kind of an interesting call on the part of some of the sports federations because normally it's the best athletes in every sport that get onto the team, like in the United States, if you win the trials year in.

Speaker 5 Here,

Speaker 5 you know, it's hard to stay at the top. So you might have been king of the mountain in 2020, and by the time you get to 2021, there's some young stud that's making you look like

Speaker 5 yesterday's newspaper.

Speaker 5 and so there'll be some

Speaker 6 some friction in there in some sports but but that's generally it's a sport by sport determination i imagine that you have to deal with a lot of friction from from various uh bodies whether that's uh you know the host committees or the different uh countries out there that you're dealing with um was this decision did you get any blowback from it

Speaker 5 No, I think everybody

Speaker 5 when the decision was made was relieved. I mean, I think everybody was

Speaker 5 being compelled to the conclusion that July 2020 wasn't going to work.

Speaker 5 And then what you do, you have your fingers crossed saying that, hope these old guys on the IOC don't cancel the games or something like that.

Speaker 5 And so the fact that it was A, postponed, and B, that we settled on a date pretty quickly so that everybody can

Speaker 5 match their training schedules and the peaking and all that sort of stuff with what they have now 16 months notice.

Speaker 5 I think everyone's satisfied that that was the right decision.

Speaker 3 So I'm also curious in your history against the anti-doping, and you have been at the forefront.

Speaker 3 Like I said at the start, you were the first president of the anti-doping agency and you've had a lot of run-ins with the Olympic sports, the IOC testing.

Speaker 3 First question is, were you not a fan of 90s, late 90s, early 2000s baseball? Were you not a fan of that? No, because that seems like that's a tough time.

Speaker 3 Like, I get what you're saying that we should have anti-doping, but that was pretty awesome with all the home runs.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. No, there's no question about it.
When you got

Speaker 5 guys, you know, 36-year-old-year-old guys hitting balls, they're still rising as they leave the property. Something is going on, and it's not mom's oatmeal porridge.
And so, I know I was a

Speaker 5 I was on baseball's case for a long time, and they've to their credit, they've eventually changed things.

Speaker 5 It's harder in the professional leagues because the rules are really set in accordance with the collective bargaining agreements rather than international standards that apply across all countries in the world.

Speaker 5 So it's harder to bring about a change.

Speaker 5 I think our breakthrough there was to say to the players association folks, listen, why is it that you're spending all your time and energy defending guys you know are doping

Speaker 5 and you know with salary caps and things like like that

Speaker 5 they're getting paid handsomely at the expense of players say in the infield or something like that that are as good as or better and are not all doped up so why why have you got your priorities uh right or not and i think that penny eventually dropped and they became much more amenable to a more

Speaker 5 more robust program than they ever had before.

Speaker 3 And my second question would be, how much of an issue issue is steroids in today's Olympics, in today's professional sports?

Speaker 3 Do you think that we're at a time where it's better than it's ever been, or is it still something that you see as a huge problem across the board?

Speaker 5 Still a huge problem.

Speaker 5 The progress we've made is that we're much more able to detect the use of steroids than in the sort of late 80s and early 90s and so forth.

Speaker 5 So if you're on a steroid and you get tested, you'll get caught. The big problem is to be able to find the athletes every day and figure out, you have to sort of reverse engineer this.

Speaker 5 If you're going to be the weightlifting gold medalist in the Olympics, what are you likely to be thinking? Some kind of a steroid or cocktail involving steroids. When are you likely to be doing it?

Speaker 5 And then we've got to be able to find you during that window, because if you get through the window,

Speaker 5 the steroids are out of your system in the sense of being detectable, but you've got the benefit of a steroid program, which can last you four, maybe five years.

Speaker 5 So it's kind of a cat and mouse exercise.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and I saw a documentary and I followed your career a little bit here, and you were not afraid to insert yourself into like the Russian body, their governing bodies, and kind of take them head on.

Speaker 6 Was there ever any point where you were like a little bit afraid? Like maybe maybe I should, you know, back off a little bit here?

Speaker 5 No, I mean, once you've jumped down

Speaker 5 the

Speaker 5 hole, you got to go right to the end of it. I'm not sure I would be

Speaker 5 a big Russian tourist these days, but I think I could probably get an entrance visa, but perhaps not an exit visa. from there.
But no, you just do what you have to do and

Speaker 5 the chips will fall where they may. I mean, basically, if I get a bad cold, it'll get blamed on Russia.

Speaker 3 So, yeah. Where's your

Speaker 3 feud with Lance Armstrong now? Because I know you had a pretty public one with Lance back in the day.

Speaker 3 Even though you never mentioned his name, I read that you didn't ever actually name him and he just assumed you were talking about him. Where's that stand today?

Speaker 3 Has he ever reached out or said, like, hey, maybe I was wrong, maybe I did do all those drugs? Or is it still a simmering feud?

Speaker 5 Well, he has acknowledged that throughout his professional career, he was doing doing this. And in those days, you know, we're talking 96 or something like that to 2000 and change.

Speaker 5 If you won the Tour de France, you pretty well had to be on steroids. You win it seven times in a row.

Speaker 5 You know, hello.

Speaker 5 And that's what

Speaker 5 eventually we

Speaker 5 tracked him down. And I must say, the US anti-doping agency did a good job in not getting run off

Speaker 5 as the criminal authorities did. They preferred not to have charges against him for that.
But they said, well, that's fine.

Speaker 5 You may not be charged criminally, but as far as we're concerned, we think you were doping. We're going to assert a doping case.
And eventually, Lance blinked and

Speaker 5 walked away from the arbitration proceedings. And so he got this life ban in some...
sports and a significant ban for other sports as well.

Speaker 3 Right, right.

Speaker 6 Now, do you have anyone that works for you who is like a almost like a catch-me-if-you-can situation where, you know, to catch a doper, you have to think like a doper.

Speaker 6 So you go out and you recruit somebody that has done something in the past to be on the good guy's side.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 when I was president of Water, there was a guy called Victor Conte who was with the Valco. You remember that?

Speaker 5 Designer?

Speaker 3 Barry Bonds.

Speaker 5 Designer Steroids. And I thought...

Speaker 5 Unfortunately, it was near the end of my term. I thought, here's a guy who does know what's going on.
And if you can build a relationship of trust with him,

Speaker 5 he can probably point you in the right direction and

Speaker 5 even identify the bad coaches and what's being taken, when is it being taken, where is it coming from, who are the suppliers, all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 5 But my successor thought of him just as a crook and not worth talking to.

Speaker 5 You got to use what sources you can.

Speaker 5 And whistleblowers and informants are, frankly, a better source of information than trying to be lucky enough to catch somebody peeing into a bottle on the right day what's your more of a light question what's your favorite olympic sport that maybe we don't i mean you obviously were a swimmer but what's your favorite olympic sport summer and winter that uh you always are looking forward to well it was interesting i i many years ago was the uh

Speaker 5 assistant chief of our the Canadian delegation in Munich. And in those days, my job was to go and watch Canadians in the preliminaries of events because we didn't get to too many finals.

Speaker 5 But when I came back from Munich, the next games were in Montreal and all my friends were saying, you know, what ticket should we get? You know, should we get swimming? Should we get gymnastics?

Speaker 5 You know, things like that. I said, volleyball.
And they're saying, volleyball? And I said, trust me. Volleyball in the Olympics is not like what you thought you were playing in school.
And I think

Speaker 3 probably

Speaker 5 in Montreal, the most exciting finals in the entire games were the volleyball ones. But you had Comonich and you had

Speaker 5 the Spinx Brothers and you had all kinds of fantastic other athletes. But the volleyball

Speaker 5 is really pretty special.

Speaker 8 And the Winter Olympics?

Speaker 5 Winter Olympics,

Speaker 5 I kind of like the long track speed skating. The short track is fun, but it's kind of like roller derby on ice.

Speaker 5 But the speed and the grace and so on of

Speaker 5 the long track speed skaters is really pretty special.

Speaker 6 Did you have anything to do with adding rugby to the Olympics?

Speaker 5 No, not in the sense of proposing it or anything like that, but having rugby sevens,

Speaker 5 I thought was a great addition to the program. And

Speaker 5 one of the advantages of it is, you know, it's got all of the elements of rugby, the speed and so on. But you can schedule matches 30 minutes apart.

Speaker 5 And it means that the players can play a tournament in the 16 or 17 days of the Olympic window.

Speaker 5 Whereas if you had the 15s with the great horses, you know, they can only play once a week or whatever it is. So I think it's been a great addition.

Speaker 5 And it's been great for both men and women.

Speaker 3 Do you think just looking at us and spending the last 15 minutes with us, would you say that we are borderline professional handballers? Because there's been a lot of debate.

Speaker 3 We had Jay Cutler on, former Bears quarterback, and he says that he could be a professional handballer. And we got the handball community very upset.

Speaker 3 Do you think we could, just looking at like us, you know, knowing that we're Americans, we probably played t-ball, we know how to throw a ball, we could probably compete in the 2021 Japanese Olympics in handball?

Speaker 3 Well, you know,

Speaker 5 when again, when I came back from Munich, Montreal, as the host, was allowed to enter enter a Canadian team in every sport. And so I said,

Speaker 5 ignorantly, I said, you know, we're all pretty good at throwing, and I played squash and all that sort of stuff. So

Speaker 5 we should get together and become the Canadian handball team. I think it helps to throw.
I mean, it's an advantage you get in North America because we throw rather than kick balls.

Speaker 5 But it's a tough, tough game. And if you think you can just, you know, put down your spikes and then step up there and score goals in team handball, think again.

Speaker 3 Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 6 I still feel like we could do it, but again, that's probably you know, you were in that same position as we are right now, and you learned your hard lesson. We have not learned our hard lesson yet.

Speaker 6 Going back to the Olympics that were supposed to take place this summer, what was the straw that really blew out the camel's back where the host committee said, okay, we're looking at the data,

Speaker 6 we have to postpone?

Speaker 5 I think it was the combination of seeing

Speaker 5 the statistics around the world, not just in Japan, where that curve was not going down. It was level for a while or just

Speaker 5 incrementally rising. But in the last four or five days before we made the decision, it had turned up and significantly up.
So

Speaker 5 this isn't going to be finished by July. It's probably not going to be finished by the end of the year.

Speaker 5 The clock is running and we should make a decision in the interest of everybody, the Japanese, spectators, broadcasters, athletes, everybody involved, make it as fast as possible and then stick another pin in the paper and say, all right,

Speaker 5 reset to this.

Speaker 3 We appreciate you joining us. I have one last question.

Speaker 3 I think it's the, I'm sure you've been on Twitter and you've seen every time you get in the news, have you thought about going by the name Richard? Do you get a laugh about that?

Speaker 3 Because people, Twitter has changed. I would imagine 30 years ago was a little different.
now it's

Speaker 3 you know you whenever you make a decision you go viral and I'm sure you've taken a peek and been like oh what's going on here and it's a lot of people just getting cheap jokes off oh yeah no no

Speaker 5 eventually some of these guys will get past their 14 year old giggles and move on

Speaker 5 but I don't I don't I don't go on Twitter for that

Speaker 5 for that reason Somebody told me I was a week or so ago that I was trending. I said, but

Speaker 5 what are you talking about? And it's the old Dick Pound thing, Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It's, it's every time.
Yeah. Every time you you have any kind of, I feel like you've been in the news a couple times in the last few years, and every time it happens, you trend.

Speaker 3 And I always wonder, like, growing up, like, growing up, were you ever like, I'm just going to go by Richard?

Speaker 5 Well, I did until I got to university. And, you know, when you get to university and get sort of higher up in sports, you tend to get, you know, you go by the, you're not Robert, you're Bob.

Speaker 5 And, you know, Richard became Dick. And I mean, it never, the juxtaposition never occurred to me.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 somebody there with

Speaker 5 a big sweat and 14 years old did.

Speaker 6 Yeah, right. A lot of people just never get past that stage and it's sad.

Speaker 3 I feel like if you grew up in America, it probably would have, it probably would have, I think Canadians maybe are a little too nice where they didn't connect it and

Speaker 3 like go after you when you were a kid.

Speaker 5 Oh, well, anyway. I don't regard that as my problem.

Speaker 3 It's true. It's good.
That's a good, that's a good perspective to have. In fact, fact,

Speaker 6 I would almost say that it might help you out in your professional job because you are the perfect spokesperson.

Speaker 6 Because if you ever want to get a message out, you just have to release your message and then let the rest of the world, as a bunch of juvenile 14-year-olds, they kind of will write up that story to make sure to include your name in it.

Speaker 6 And your message gets out there more than it would have before. So it's like almost a bonus for you.

Speaker 5 Man, smarter than I thought.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Bad news doesn't seem so bad when it comes from Dick Pound.
Like, that's actually a fact. You, because everyone just goes to the name and they don't go to the bad news.

Speaker 3 So, you got a life hack there.

Speaker 5 Oh, well, you never know how it's going to work out.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, we appreciate you joining us.
We appreciate it. Oh, one last question.
You are, you did work as a tax attorney, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's my job. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay. So, our producer, producer, producer, producer, just does, doesn't do his taxes.

Speaker 5 Is that wrong?

Speaker 5 That's our, that sort of broke up.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 7 it's breaking up.

Speaker 3 There he is. Yeah, he's still doing his taxes.

Speaker 3 I mean, he's losing it.

Speaker 7 That's unfortunate.

Speaker 3 I don't know if that's the same in Canada, but I feel like you should do your taxes.

Speaker 5 Yeah, indeed. Well,

Speaker 5 it's nice to have the problem.

Speaker 6 When is tax day in Canada?

Speaker 5 Normally, it's April 30th.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay. Okay.

Speaker 6 Is it pushed back this year?

Speaker 5 You guys are the 15th.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we're all

Speaker 6 if you choose to file, it's the 15th yes our producer doesn't always follow through

Speaker 3 yes well we thank you so much we appreciate

Speaker 3 yeah we appreciate you joining us and uh we're looking forward to the olympics in 2021 super well uh thanks for having me on it's been fun all right thank you thank you

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Speaker 3 No, but Russell Wilson, I feel like, didn't he? I think he's like back-to-back-to-back Nick, you know, Teen Choice Award winner.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 I feel like he's hosted the show before, too. Yeah, so he would be perfect.

Speaker 3 He could get slimed in between quarters.

Speaker 6 That's going to, why are they, why are they doing that to reach like six-year-olds that don't want to watch football with their dads?

Speaker 3 Well, I was going to say, it's just going to piss off a bunch of dads who are like, I don't want to watch this on Nickelodeon. I mean, it would be cool.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 What they're going to do is probably just put like a broadcast on Nickelodeon, which makes no sense. If they were going to do it and it was like a fun way, the score bug would be different.

Speaker 3 Like it would be Gronk and Amanda Bynes and Russell.

Speaker 3 they would think totally outside of the box and make it like really fun and like ooze coming out of the corner of the TV but they're not they're not going to they're just putting it on another station to boost the ratings instead of the Gatorade tub it's just slime and the coach just gets dunked in it after they win the game right the flat the refs flags are like at the bottom of a kiddie pool filled with a green goop that they have to dig through to find but what they're really doing is they're putting on nickelodeon so that they can capture the audience of everyone who just forgot to turn off their TV for whatever shows on Nickelodeon right now.

Speaker 6 I'm Ed Ed and Eddie Hockey. That'd be cool.

Speaker 3 That would be cool.

Speaker 3 All right. Should we do Mount Flushmore? Let's do Mount Flushmore to finish it off.

Speaker 3 Cartoon Network. I couldn't name one.
I'm sure I'm going to get in that game soon, the Nickelodeon game. So I'll be back in it soon.

Speaker 3 Mount Flushmore of Candy. Should we do it?

Speaker 3 PFC, you start.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 6 My first one is no-brainer. Circus peanuts.
They suck. Universally regarded as the most trash candy to ever be invented.
I don't even know why they're invented.

Speaker 6 I think they're just invented so that dads can have candy that they know that their kids won't eat.

Speaker 3 But the dads don't want to eat either.

Speaker 6 But it's still, it's something that you know that your kids won't steal from you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that one is just, it really makes no sense that that exists. Really, really stupid candy.
All right. My first pick, Good and Plenty.
Just another trash ass candy. I don't

Speaker 3 I don't know why that exists. And it just every time.

Speaker 3 I feel like Good and Plenty is one of those candies you have like once every five years. And you're like, oh, yeah,

Speaker 3 that's why it sucks. I'll never have that again.

Speaker 6 I mean, even right in the name, it says it's not great.

Speaker 6 It's good. And I guess there's a lot of it.
There's a shit. So we got a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 It's literally.

Speaker 6 It really inspired confidence.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it is the quantity over quality candy.

Speaker 6 It's Jason Witten of candies.

Speaker 3 It's the Frank Gore of Candies. And you're Larry Fitzgerald of Candies.

Speaker 6 You don't mean that. You don't mean that about Frank Gore.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I do. I mean it.
Hank, you're...

Speaker 6 Frank Gore would be circus peanuts, if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 Neco wafers.

Speaker 3 We didn't have enough dick jokes in this podcast.

Speaker 7 My first one, Neco Wafers.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 7 like Smarties without the taste.

Speaker 3 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 7 And Rollos.

Speaker 3 Oh, I like Rolos.

Speaker 7 Rolos are trash. You take a bite of Rolos.
I feel like every time I take a bite of Rolos, my tooth is coming out with it.

Speaker 3 but here's why i like rollos in defense of rollos no no hold on let me just tell you i like to to uh have fake portion control and rollos comes in the little fucking things so you can basically be like oh i only had five of them i'm good now they're like caramel chocolate mintos right

Speaker 3 they're like they're like uh uh reese's cups but with no peanut butter just caramel yeah and then they come in the little sleeve like

Speaker 6 the penny roll.

Speaker 3 You can like pop them, yeah.

Speaker 6 I agree with Big Cat. Those aren't bad.

Speaker 3 Yeah. They are.
They are bad. They're not that bad.

Speaker 7 Well, it's a good thing it's not Big Cat's list because it's my list.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 okay. Okay.

Speaker 3 All right. You know what's trash? Pixie sticks.
Those are trash. It's just sugar.

Speaker 6 Disagree.

Speaker 3 Disagree. It's just sugar.
It's not candy. It's just.

Speaker 7 Back in the day, Big Cat. I used to.

Speaker 3 I know you did, Hank. You had ADHD.

Speaker 7 I would rob my CVS, so I'd get like 10 packs of pixie sticks.

Speaker 3 Wait, actually rob? Yeah, it's a little gun.

Speaker 7 No, like I like there's a CBS down the street from me that was basically.

Speaker 3 This is like the town G-rated?

Speaker 7 Yeah, it was like before I got into like drugs and alcohol. Like I just got off by like stealing candy from my CVS.

Speaker 7 I would take like 10 packs of it, empty out a mountain dew bottle, which I would have drank, and then fill it to the top with pixie sticks. Okay.
And then just have a giant bottle of pixie sticks.

Speaker 6 I just think I put the spike into Hank at a young age.

Speaker 3 The pixie sticks are the laziest candy ever. They're not candy, it's just sugar.
It's not candy.

Speaker 6 It's delicious. I like picky sticks.
You can snort them. You can lick them.
You can pour them into other drinks and beverages.

Speaker 3 It's great. Great candy.
All right. What's your next two?

Speaker 6 My next, I'm going to go with black licorice.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 And malt balls.

Speaker 3 I don't hate malt balls. Are you talking about like

Speaker 3 whoppers? Whoppers are good. I don't like.
You have to put Whoppers on there. You can't put malt balls because malt balls sound like an old person candy.
No, malt balls. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 No, because Whoppers has malt in it, but it's not a malt ball person.

Speaker 3 No, those are malt balls is my choice, but that's not even a candy, like, no one knows where you can get that candy. You got, you got to be able to get the candy, yeah.
You can talk about whoppers

Speaker 6 if you want to get malt balls, you just go to your local convenience store, the bulk section, and it's like 90% malt balls.

Speaker 3 That's I mean, I think you got to put whoppers on there.

Speaker 6 My dad was a big malt ball guy, whoppers, whoppers.

Speaker 6 I didn't even get brand name malt balls.

Speaker 3 All right, so here's kind of in the same cousin of of whoppers uh is milk duds i fucking hate milk duds you never eat a milk dud that didn't get stuck in your teeth for fucking hours the most annoying candy to eat and it's

Speaker 6 it's one of those ones that's like it's like a dog like you're like oh this is good and then you get trapped it's like a fucking trap every time rollos what you just said it describes how i feel about rollos to a tea okay i like milk duds but i think i i only really enjoy them because i had braces for a long time and that's one thing that you're definitely not allowed to eat and that you can't eat if you have braces.

Speaker 6 So when you get them off, it's like, yeah, I'm free. I can eat all the milk dugs that I want.

Speaker 3 Braces or no braces, they get stuck in everyone's teeth no matter what. And they're the fucking worst.

Speaker 3 You eat a milk dug, you're eating it for the next week.

Speaker 3 Hank?

Speaker 7 Now and later.

Speaker 3 Okay, I see that. Wait, see that's the hardest thing? Hard as fuck.

Speaker 6 Yeah. There's like starbursts, right? Like worst starbursts.

Speaker 3 They're way harder. Scale and scale.

Speaker 7 always scale yeah like they crack like you can't they're just not just not good and uh my last one raisinettes oh disagree like raisinettes i like raisins

Speaker 6 too yes because it makes you feel like you're actually a healthy snacking yep great movie snack i would say raisinettes and probably uh junior mitts make sure

Speaker 3 delicious

Speaker 3 great things great things to eat during a movie all right my last one would be smarties

Speaker 3 unless you can actually think they make you smart but that's another one where it's like they don't put smarties. Smarties is the candy that they had before the depression.
Like they were.

Speaker 3 They call it pixie sticks, circular pixie sticks. Yeah, it was before candy innovation.
They're like, hey, here, have some candy. It's just this

Speaker 3 app that you just fucking give them. Like kids before the Dust Bowl, like during the Dust Bowl, we're like, hey, what do you got left? I got a Smartie.
Here we go. A little sugar left.

Speaker 6 I think those were just like what you found at the bottom of a bag of industrial-sized sugar, like a big bag.

Speaker 6 Like it coagulated together.

Speaker 3 And they're like, yeah, this is candy, but it's not, it's not candy. Okay, what's your last pick, PFT?

Speaker 6 My last pick,

Speaker 6 carefree gum.

Speaker 6 Care-free gum is the worst kind of gum that's ever.

Speaker 8 What is that?

Speaker 3 It's not even candy. That's gum.

Speaker 6 We're not counting gum?

Speaker 3 Gum is not candy. I don't think

Speaker 8 it's gum is gum.

Speaker 7 We can do a mouth flushmore of gum if we wanted to.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we could do a mouth flushmore of gum. We should.
That's a separate thing.

Speaker 6 I didn't Google this. Is gum candy?

Speaker 7 It's not. It doesn't matter what Google says.

Speaker 3 From a business perspective, hold on. PFD.
PFD, put it this way. PFD, put it this way.
Wait, hang on, Hank. There are $137 billion for Isgum Candy.
Okay, Ravel.

Speaker 3 Okay, Ravel. Okay, Ravel.

Speaker 7 PFD, you say, Hank, I need a sugar fix. Can you please go to the store and get me some candy? Yes.
I come back with a pack of gum.

Speaker 3 What did you say? If you said, Big Cat, can I get a piece of candy? And I handed you a fucking piece of trident,

Speaker 6 I would say thank you. No, at least it's at least this is another double bubble our carefree gum

Speaker 6 okay yellow warheads

Speaker 3 that's a decent pick what about i like atomic bombs those those those sucked or what no what were they called i like atomic warheads i like the warheads a lot what would the right about the fireballs fireballs those suck yeah those suck those are bad i should have said fireballs but only psychopaths like liked fireballs yes yeah yeah like only someone like yeah let me get a fireball it's like what i will eat any flavor of warhead and warheads were like trade gold at the lunch table.

Speaker 6 But the second you bring out a yellow one, get out of my face.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to think if there's anything we missed. Any other? Do you have any juicy fruit? No, jujifruit.
No, no, juji fruit. That is a juicy fruit.
Good pick.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Do you guys like,

Speaker 3 what is it? It's almond joy. And then what's the other one? Mounds.

Speaker 3 I can't remember which one I don't like.

Speaker 6 Almond Joy has nuts. Mounds doesn't have nuts.
Heath Bars are the exact same.

Speaker 3 Heath Bar is the craziest one because Heath Bars aren't good, but Heath Bar ice cream is good.

Speaker 6 Yeah, when it's crumbled.

Speaker 6 Deconstructed Heath Bar is really, really good.

Speaker 6 What about a payday bar? Those things suck.

Speaker 3 Oh, so bad.

Speaker 6 It's just peanuts.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's another one where it's like that's that was a pre-19 like 45 candy. We're like, hey, you want some candy?

Speaker 3 Here, here's a bunch of peanuts I just smashed together and like put a little bit of caramel in it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like back when you got paid, like you could only afford a candy bar. Paid out an extra nickel.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you know what it was? It was originally O'Henry bars. And then they said, this costs too much to produce.
So let's just make an O'Henry bar without the chocolate coating on it.

Speaker 6 And that was a payday.

Speaker 3 Ah, okay.

Speaker 3 Thousand grand. Those are actually good, though.
Yeah, a hundred grand.

Speaker 6 You're right on about payday introduced 1932.

Speaker 3 There you go. You can tell the candy where it's like, there's no candy innovation in this.
This was just the candy that like kids ate on Halloween when they actually dressed up like ghosts.

Speaker 3 Everyone dressed up. Have you ever seen like Halloween from like the 1930s? They would dress up to actually like scare the fuck out of every living person on earth.
And it was terrifying.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that was like Earl Dutch Clark's favorite candy

Speaker 6 when he was in the league. He probably did advertisements for it.

Speaker 3 It's like Marshawn Lynch ate Skittles, Earl Dutch Clark ate

Speaker 3 Smarties and Paydays.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's just like Nelson Rockefeller just jizzed in a pile of peanuts and let it freeze together and then handed it to me. Yum, payday.

Speaker 3 Anything else? I'm trying to think. I think we got most of the bad ones.
These are all the ones that you, if you put them in a bowl, they would just all be there at the bottom. We should try.

Speaker 3 I was going to say we should do a science experiment with all these to see what truly is the worst, but we're never going to be able to see people again.

Speaker 6 That's not true.

Speaker 3 That's not true at all.

Speaker 6 The drafts coming up. Also, stay woke on, did you see what JJ Watt's doing? He's got that game Ultimate Tag.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 He's trying to dovetail off the MJ documentary, like them bullying ESPN into releasing that early. So JJ was like, hey, Fox, is there a way that we can release Ultimate Tag early?

Speaker 6 And so probably tomorrow, Fox is going to be like, you guys asked for it. You got it.
Ultimate Tag with the Watt Brothers coming out next week.

Speaker 3 I could use some like terrible summer programming games. Why not? Throw it all out there.

Speaker 6 Rock and jock. Give me a rock and jack marathon.

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So everyone, make sure you watch it. You can watch it on YouTube.
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Speaker 3 We're trying to book a guest from it. We shall see.

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