Jay Gruden, Viral Sensation Thomas "Snacks" Lee And We Have An Idea

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Uh-oh. I have an idea.
Are you ready for this idea? All great things start with those three words. I have an idea.
PFT. Four words.
Three. Yeah.
I have an idea. PFT.
No, an idea is not words. An idea is actions.
It is. Okay.
So here's my idea. Have you guys seen this smoothie? We talked about it briefly on Sunday.
The Ben Bark. Of course.
The Gatorade and eggs smoothie. Everyone in the media is drinking it.
Everyone's being like, oh, this is crazy.

Not us.

We're taking it suppository. This is similar to the Michael Phelps 20,000 calorie meal or whatever that everyone's like, I'm going to try this.
We need to find a recurring guest who is a current athlete and figure out a way for them to plant in the media a completely disgusting thing that they eat as training and see how many people we can get to okay so it'll be joe burrow and it'll be skyline chili he can't say it on the show though he's got to say it to regular media so he's got to be like hey yeah i've actually been getting in great shape i've been using a smoothie maker with Skyline Chili, four eggs, a scoop of tapioca pudding,

a scoop of... Hey, yeah, I've actually been getting in great shape.
I've been using a smoothie maker with Skyline Chili, four eggs.

A scoop of tapioca pudding.

A scoop of tapioca pudding, three ice cubes, but the ice cubes are in the freezer where the fridge has some stinky cheese.

So you got a little bit of the taste of that.

Worcestershire sauce?

16 fire ants. Dead.
We don't want to. Shout out Arrowwood.
Arrowwood We're going to just throw those in there Give you the strength What else can we put in there Vegetarian beef And the real beef from Skyline And the real beef from Skyline Maybe a little Lysol because of the coronavirus And top it off with just the marshmallows from Lucky Charms.

And a Bud Light seltzer. And you zap that up.
You've been drinking it every day. And look, Mom, I'm the number one pick in the NFL.
And see how many people, how many idiots we can get to drink this stupid concoction. I do like that idea.
Yeah, I do like that idea. That's pretty good.
I would actually try that. Yeah.
I mean, I'm so stupid. Yes, it just works.
I'm so dumb that we're creating a drink to put into the media to trick other people into drinking it because it's so disgusting. And I'm sitting over here thinking like, yeah, I kind of want to try that.
I want to find out what the big Joe Burrow secret is. Yeah, it dawned on me after I saw like the sixth video of someone trying it.
It was like, we could get anyone to do this. It's kind of like

our botched attempt where

I used M.

I thought M.O. was Montana, not Missouri.

And we were going to create

a fake Twitter account for a minor league

hockey team and a menu item that

Ravel would have to tweet about that was just a piece of

dog shit. Yeah.
That one

hand up and fucked up.

That happens a lot. It was an unaffiliated team.

Someone do that for us.

If you can get Darren Ravel to tweet a picture of dog

I'm sure. dog shit yeah that one we put in the wrong state up yeah wrong state that happens a lot it was an unaffiliated team someone do that for us just if you can get darren revell to tweet a picture of dog shit yes in any way create a fake team cultivate that no no tell you what we'll leave it up to you however you want to get darren revell to tweet a picture of dog shit do it and we will if you do that hank will send you one part of my take shirt fact uh all right so that was i just had that idea just popped in my head because i was scrolling through twitter there hasn't been there wasn't a lot going on the last two days well i have i have an experiment oh yeah you can get into my experiment right now do it so uh my dc defenders are home again this weekend where we defend where we only place you can win we defend outie field that's our fucking stadium.
I saw you were not to like really bring down

the mood, but you were eight in Renegade Jim's power rankings. Well, Renegade, he just did that to get under my skin.
I'm just saying. The only power rankings I read, the D.C.
Defenders were the worst team in the XFL. Well, okay, the D.C.
Defenders aren't even... The Guardians...
Wait, which one's the Guardians again? New York. New York Guardians.
They stink. The Dallas Renegades aren't even the best team in their state.
Well, Landry lost to the Vipers. Yeah, you lost to the Vipers.
Yeah, it's fine. The Vipers.
Dude, it was an aberration on the road. You got Viped.
Dallas lost to Houston. They're ipso facto.
They're the worst team in their state. Okay, so what's the experiment? So the experiment is Coach Pep Hamilton, my coach, coach for life, he said that he wants to get the Cupsnake going again this weekend.
The D.C. Defenders have embraced.
Stolen from the Cups. Who stole it from European soccer.
Who stole it from cricket. Yeah, who stole it from rugby.
Cupsnakes have been around for decades. So the D.C.
defenders are absolutely embracing it. And what they've said is Pep said that he wants to get the Cupsnake going again this weekend.
I'm challenging D.C. defenders fans to get a Cupsnake that goes around the entire stadium.
And I want to see how long, how many beers it would take. Fellas, how many beers? Do you have a cup?

You have cups.

I've got solo cups here.

You're just going to measure it? One of these stacks is 32 cups.

Okay.

So let me get to that.

So this experiment is just measuring cups.

Yeah, it's a science experiment.

Okay.

So we're going to measure this cup.

When does the baking soda come in?

We're not doing a volcano.

Where did you get that tape measure?

All right, this is 12. Yeah, where did you get that tape measure? That's a foot.
Perfect. Wow.
Also, it might be a little bit more because when there's liquid in the cups, it will give a little bounce to it. A little separation.
Yeah. So we're going to say it's 13 inches.
Perfect. 14 inches.
14 inches. 14 inches for 32 cups.
Okay. So now we have to figure out how many times 14 inches.
Wait, you just, this isn't a science experiment. You're just making us do math.
Yeah, science. Fuck this.
Science experiment. I'm not doing the math.
So there's 14 inches in 32 cups. How about everyone just brings their own cups? Cup snake.
Everyone brings 32 cups. You can't bring cups into the game.
Why not? I don't know. It feels like it's cheating.
I feel like there's no rules. All right, so let's figure out how many cups there need to be in this thing.
Again, you're just making me do math. 14 inches for 32 cups.
Sir, I refuse to do this math. I did the back of the napkin math.
Okay, good. So you don't have to.
I'm estimating about 15,000 cups to go around the entire stadium. So everyone has to drink like seven beers.
So everyone needs to drink one beer. If everyone can drink one beer.

All 400 of you got to drink 17,000 beers. You're showing your ignorance that you haven't been to a game at Audi Field yet.
Yeah. Ground zero for home field advantage in the XFL.
Okay. So I think that they can do it.
At the very least, they can break the world record, which as most as I can tell is 100 yards at a cricket game that was delayed two hours for lightning. So what does have to do with the on-field experience for cardell jones not being the worst quarterback in the xfl it just has maybe you know you get the you get the atmosphere going and if all the eyes are in the stands then maybe cardell will play with a little bit less nerves oh how about this instead of everyone bringing their own cup everyone bring their own laser pointer and just shoot it in the eyes of the opposing quarterback.
Yeah, the Battle Hawks, caca. Do that.
Yeah, or maybe if you get drunk enough, then Cardale Jones will look good at quarterback again. That also works.
Boom. Win, win, win.
Yeah, or just pop in the Ohio State winning the national title and just remember when he was good at quarterback. Or Tyree Jackson.
You can pop him in. Yeah, pop him in.

Alright, so are you going? I don't think so.

Okay, but it's going to happen.

It's going to happen. We're going to get the Cupsnake going around the Chelsea.
I'm happy that Pep Hamilton

is focusing on this. I might go.

Pep Hamilton's focusing on Cupsnake's not

part of Jones being good. He's keeping the boys loose

out there. That's fine.

Okay, the other story we had, we have two other stories we've got to get to before we get to Hot Seat Cool Throne. Then we have Snacks and Jay Gruden on.
These are actually both stories for Hank. So keep it calm.
Coach K with an all-time move. I'm actually going to compliment Coach K because this was like the look at my thumb, G, you're dumb way of grade school bullying.

He said after the game.

Wait, what was that?

Look at my thumb, and then he slapped him and said, G, you're dumb.

I've never heard that before.

Yeah, it's a little trick.

Smell my hand.

I never got bullied.

Or like, yeah, put your hand.

If your hand's bigger than your face, then you slap the guy's hand.

Then you're going to get sick and die, and you slap him in the face.

I just used to hit people in the balls. That works, too.
What's the capital of Thailand? Thailand, actually. Fuck, I just kicked the bench.
I was trying to reach you. I've grossly underestimated how far away you are.
You thought that your legs were like Dulcy from Street Fighter? No, I did not. That you could hit me from over there? So he did the look at your thumb, G, you're dumb, because he said, don't criticize the players directed at me.
And then he said, oh, when you question my coaching, come into Cameron and look up at the ceiling. See if you should do that.
What does he have, like journalists that are hanging from the rafters? I fucking love that. I love that, though.
Like, hey, don't come at my guys. Bring it all at me.
And then when you do bring it at me, make sure you take a little look-see upstairs and see all those fucking banners flying around in cameron so credit to coach k he i think we're going to get into very soon if we're not there already like the ornery uh like super angry at the media just mad all the time coach k senile we're entering he's already there. Yeah, no, but he's going to fully get in there.

And he's always had a little bit of that in him.

He was just very good at directing it mostly towards referees and officials.

Right.

And then after the games, he would kind of bite his tongue

and pretend to be very friendly with the media.

Sooner than later, we're going to see him on the sidelines,

and he's going to have the Jim Boeheim piss thing going on.

Jim Boeheim has an issue.

No, I know, but with Coach K, it's just going to be because he's angry and old he has nothing to do with medical issue there is an element though when you get up in age where you just the filter is gone and i think he's going to slowly lose the filter we're watching right now with joe biden like the filter's gone the filter when the filter goes he'll say whatever comes in his mind so i think I'm going to enjoy the twilight phase of Coach K having no filter and finally saying shit that he really has wanted to say for a very long time. Yeah, I don't know what's wrong with any of that.
Everything he said was a power move. It's similar to the Tom Izzo thing where everyone was getting mad at him for coaching his players.
And the players are like, I like that. You need that in a coach.
Coach K is like, you want to be the best. You want to be number one.
You got to talk like number one. I'm the most unbiased Duke hater out there.
I will tell you absolutely that I hate Duke no matter what. Everything they do, I will spin into I hate Duke.
While also saying it's Duke's year. While also saying it's Duke's year because it always is.
I thought that was a funny move. I thought that was a funny move by Coach K.
Because you can't win. You can't get past him when he brings it.
It's another one of those little Kleszins. Yeah.
They start with K's. It's a trapdoor.
Yeah, exactly. He's like, no, talk to me.
I'm the coach. Don't talk to these kids.
Oh, guess what, you motherfucker. How come I've won all these titles? Look at these rings.
And you have it. And he open hand slaps the reporter with all his rings.
Like, how do you like that? Speaking of Joe Biden, I figured out how to fix voter turnout. Oh, yeah? Yeah, just on the I Voted stickers, put little Supreme labels on them.
Bubba would be first in line. Bubba would vote in six states.
That's pretty good. If you got a Supreme I Voted sticker.
That is pretty good. That is pretty good.
Because people also, like, for the Instagram, it would look even cooler. Hell yeah.
Yeah. Or just have...
Or just have the zip ties, the off-white zip ties. Oh.
Just put a little zip tie on the end of them. That would be cool, too.
What do you mean? Just, like, arrest people and force them to vote? No, no. Just put a zip tie on the sticker.
Yeah. Oh, I got you.
Yes, yeah. Like Brooks Koepka.
Yeah. It's fashion, bitch.
Made in Oregon. Beaverton, Oregon.
And everyone's like, oh, man, where'd you get that? Or just promise Jordans at every single one and have it be, like, but have it be how the real Jordans are released and only one in 5,000 million people get it if you made a sneakers app for like getting to be able to register to vote then no one would be able to vote but then it'd be like oh sick when you won you'd think that's crazy i just won this voter registration yeah yeah and then you really want to use it but no one would get it because the sneakers no but that's what i'm saying use it i swear to god but you use it and that have used it and been conditioning, like it's been conditioning people to always lose at being able to buy the sneakers, right?

So when you win the voting one, you're like, I finally won.

Right.

That's the only thing.

No sneakers.

It's the only thing you can win on the sneakers at.

I swear to God, that sneakers app.

I would love to meet someone who actually won one.

I've won one.

And like, you know how many shoes I have.

Yes. It felt like the biggest win of my life and i've probably lost like hundreds yes i've i enter every single one hundreds of times i've tried i swear to god when you lose you have to pay anything no no they just send you an email or they send you an alert and like you lost again loser loser fucking loser when you just win the opportunity to pay money for a shoe correct

it gives you the opportunity to like share it on social media too yeah like hey i'm a loser again yes yeah it gives you a wolf yes yeah exactly um and then the other story hank uh barstoolworld.com slash pmt by the way if you want to watch us you want to do our tom brady update sure i mean it's a. It's a daily update because every single day, this is now clickbait for everyone.
Matthew Berry wrote a whole story that basically said, I was in Indy and, oh yeah, I talked to everyone and everyone thinks he's not going to sign with the Patriots. Then Tom Curran said, the smoke out in the Bay Area, not a forest fire.
It's actually real that the 49ers are thinking about parting ways with Jimmy G and signing Tom Brady. Now, Hank, would you take that? What if they sent Jimmy G back to New England? Not bad.
I don't want to think about living in a world where Tom Brady isn't on the Patriots. I'm not going to consider it a possibility until it becomes a reality.
So that is my official stance from today until my last day. Imagine Tom Brady in a 49ers helmet.
You're thinking about it right now. Boomer would go.
Boomer would be part of the deal. That would be the Chris Berman singularity.
He would. He would get back to ground zero.
I also have been reading, though, that because of the new CBA deal or whatever, that the Patriots and Tom Brady still haven't even talked yet because they have to figure out the deal before they can figure out how they're going to structure Brady's deal. So it's all just bullshit.
That's my understanding of the situation. When does the free agency start? March 13th? I'm actually kind of sick of it, to be honest.
Already sick of free agency? Yeah, I'm sick of the Tom Brady free agency. I'm a fan of the legal tampering window.
Yeah. I just like that peeping Tom effect where you can just reach in and start tampering.
Is it March 13th, I want to say? I don't know why I threw that out in my head, but March 13th sounds like it could be the date. But I'm ready for a resolution.
So then we can talk about whether he stays. You know, that then becomes how many more years or whether he leaves.

Then it becomes, whoa, this is so weird.

March 18th is the start of the 2020 league year.

Fuck, we have so long.

The unofficial but true start of free agency is the legal tampering period, which is March 16th.

Okay.

So March 16th is when you can tamper with your favorite players.

Got it.

Got it.

And I've been painted to this Jameis Winston thing. Oh, yeah.
Apparently Bruce Arians is ready to move on. Well, his name's not Tom or Payton.
It's not Tom or Payton, so the sabermetrics are out the window on there. I got sent the most fire Photoshop of Jameis Winston in a Patriots jersey today.
It is sick. Ooh.
And guess what? Matthew Berry, when he ranked, he said, I'd rank the non-Patriots teams likely to get him in this order. Tampa Bay Bucs won.
According to Matthew Berry? Yes. I don't know how much he knows.
He's just a fantasy guy. Yeah, well, that's a fantasy.
That's his fantasy. That's his fantasy.
But it would make sense because Brucerians did say he prescribes to analytics, subscribes to analytics. If a quarterback's named Tom, they're great.
And he does like older quarterbacks, too. He's kind of like a cougar hunter.
What's the male equivalent of a cougar? Oh, I think there's a name for it. Mountain Lion? Rob Lowe.
Sex Panther. A Lowe.
We call it a Lowe. Okay, a Lowe.
Yeah. A Rob.
A Rob a Robbers it a Paul Rudd a rhino a rhino okay nice so we actually look that up yeah oh wow you have some interesting autocompletes from now on okay Bruce Arians is definitely a rhino hunter yes because he liked Carson Palmer love Peyton Manning he likes these old guys He's basically a dentist from Minnesota. Exactly.
Is that where he's from? Cecil? Cecil the Lion. Got killed by a dentist.
Got killed by the Midwestern dentist. Yeah.
Remember that? Remember simpler times before the whole world, we thought it was going to burn and there was disease everywhere? Yeah. We were just pissed at a dude who killed a fucking lion.
Well, Cecil was a universally beloved lion. Oh, listen.
I was Team Cecil. Yeah.
For sure. But I'm just saying it seemed like those were simpler days.
And then the Jimmy Johns guy. Yeah.
He also went big game hunting. That's right.
I'm pretty sure Papa John drove over several endangered species in his Corvette. Too soon on Arambe.
Papa Bless. Can I get a Papa Bless? Papa Bless.
Thank you. Papa Bless.
But yeah, I would love to see Jameis go to New England.

Tom Brady in a Bucs uniform would look stupid as hell.

Crazy.

Which is why I kind of hope that it happens.

It almost seems like it's so beneath Tom Brady to be a Tampa Bay Bucs.

It is.

It is.

Yeah, but he probably is like, I want to play a home Super Bowl.

Tampa's got the Super Bowl next year.

Ooh, get that storyline going.

That's a great storyline that makes no sense. Nope.
Either way, I'm ready for, yeah, I'm ready for free agency to start. Because we're in this weird spot.
We're waiting for March Madness. We're waiting for free agency.
We're waiting for NBA playoffs, Stanley Cup playoffs. It's this weird, like, no man's land where we get to just watch senile Coach K get mad at people.
Which I don't hate that part, but I'm ready for some action. It's kind of fun, though.
He's been getting angrier and angrier over the years. It is like watching your grandfather descend into just madness.
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My hot seat is Randy Orton. Okay.
RKO? He RKO'd Sting's wife last night.

What? On live TV. I mean, I saw the clip.
It's a hilarious, unbelievable clip. Sting the performer? The wrestler.
Oh, I was going to say, she's always having sex with Sting because he does that tantric stuff. But he RKO'd another man's wife on live TV.
I feel like that. It's got to put you on the hot seat in some way, shape, or form.
He's king. That's like the WWE version of Prima Nocta.
Yeah. It's over.
I mean, it's electric. He is the king of RKO, but even though you're watching a clip with Randy Orton, you're just not expecting it.
When he RKO's a guy's wife, it's always electric. How could you, sir? Then my cool throne is guys being in their feelings.
So it's cool. It's cool to be in your feelings because Mike Tyson did a podcast interview where he was like super honest, super open about how he used to be a killer.
That guy's not there anymore. Didn't he cry because he was scared of his former self, which makes perfect sense because his former self was a heavyweight champion of the world.
Yeah, he's like sometimes I feel like a bitch because I don't want that person to come out because if he comes out, all hell is coming with him. So he's basically talking about how it's like...
He doesn't want to fight Tyson. Right, he used to be a killer, but he's dealing with the fact that the killer is inside.
But I'd be scared of Tyson, too. No, but he's scared that other people are going to fight Tyson again.
No, but I think he's scared of old Tyson. The reason I'm crying is because I'm not that person no more and I miss him.
And it's not funny at all. It's not cool.
Like, I'm a tough guy. It's just that I hate that guy.
I'm scared of him. Yeah.
That guy's kind of dead now. He's scary.
But that wasn't easy. That guy didn't want to leave.
He wasn't leaving easy. He fought, screamed, and cried in scratch all the way until he died, you know? Oh, so Tyson...
And that's talking about himself. Old Tyson is dead.
Well, he's also saying that he feels like a bitch because he's no longer Old Tyson. Right.
Like the memory of Old Tyson is like, hey, haunting him. Like, hey, pussy, do something about it.
But yeah, he got really emo about it. It was crazy to watch.
But at the same time, it was like, it's probably good that he's handling his feelings by talking about them instead of in other more destructive ways. Absolutely.
Being in your feelings. Being in your feels.
All right, fellas. Cool throne.
We're talking about our feelings. We're going to cry at some point this year, all right? I'll cry.
We're crying and wearing dresses in 2020. We'll just do the crying part.
Whatever. Yeah.
What is your hot seat, cool throne, PFT? You know, in many cultures, males wear dresses all the time. It's not a masculine thing or a feminine thing.
How many cultures? A lot of them. Scottish.
A lot of them. Scottish, yeah.
Go to Central Africa. A lot of countries do that.
That's right. Scottish kilts.
I might get into kilt life. Nothing more masculine.
It's the most masculine dress possible. Can't go any farther, so why not do it all? My hot seat is Golden Tate.
Oh, what happened? Because Golden Tate got an endorsement deal with our good friends at Bud Light. This is not an ad, by the way.
I was going to do this anyways. Wow.
He got an endorsement deal with Bud Light, and then Darren Revell snitched on him on Twitter. He also chugged so slow.
Tough chug. In the commercial, Golden Tate did a little thing for Bud Light, took out a Bud Light beer, drank it pretty slowly.
Faster than Aaron Rodgers would, but still relatively slowly. And then Darren Revell quote tweeted it and said, go and take out an advertisement endorsement deal with Bud Light.
The NFL prohibits its players from drinking beers or alcohol in any commercial for them. So Darren knocked on him immediately.
He's the worst. We got barbecue.
What's her name? Barbecue Becky? Oh, he's the worst. Darren is barbecue brandy.
He's the worst. And we're going to talk about it with snacks, but he's the worst.
He ruins everything. Yeah, he's ruined the fun for Golden Tate, so that's tough.
It sucks that he likes to do that, too. Yeah.
He's well actually in real life. He's a walking well actually guy.
Mm- guy. God.
My cool throne is my liver.

So on the other side of that coin, I'm

doing sober January. Dry

January. Sober October.

Sober October for the next two weeks.

And except on weekends

obviously. And if I'm going to be helping to form a

cup snake. Does Thursday count as a weekend?

Depends on if there's a good game on.

Thursday counts as a weekend. I get buzzed on

Thursday. What if an XFL game goes into overtime? On a Monday.
It's on a weekend. Oh, yeah.
It's on a weekend. It's on a Monday.
What if a game gets rained out? There's a rain out game? Yeah, I think that supersedes. And then the Monday game goes to overtime.
Yeah, so, well, there are also some conference tournaments this Thursday or Friday, right? Yeah, we start Horizon League. There you go.
So,'m doing Sober October through the end of the week and going to stop once meaningful basketball games start occurring again. I'm giving my body, hitting the reset button on the old liver right now.
Nice. I'm going to feel great on the other side.
I'm going to support you in this. Even though I saw you.
Did you take a sip of the Bud Light Seltzer earlier? Yeah, but then I caught myself and I said, wait a second, I'm doing dry January right now. You caught yourself.
All right, my hot seat is handshakes because... Oh, no, wait.
My hot seat is Twitter. Sorry.
My hot seat is Twitter because Tom Izzo. Did you see Tom Izzo? He's going off.
You need to see this, PFT, because you love Tom Izzo. I do.
Tom Izzo has a very contentious relationship with Twitter. You would say that as a Tom Izzo.
I'm thinking he's going to try to submarine Twitter because earlier in the season he said that anyone who says anything mean, he said if there's any Michigan State people out there that are abusing some of my players on that freaking Twitter, I'm sick of it. And then he also said this past week he

forbade anyone from

going on Twitter and complimenting their

guys this week. So he said

I would ask all Twitter people, which

Twitter people, so

all you Twitter people out there

don't compliment our guys this week.

Don't insult them. Just let them go.

So he hates Twitter.

And I think he will take it down.

Instead of complimenting... It's March.

It's January, February, Izzo. He's going to report

I'm saying... about Cassius, you don't go to his Twitter account.
You go to Tom Izzo's Twitter account. Right.
And you tweet at Tom Izzo and say, hey, I was going to say this to your player. Tom Izzo, WFAN.
But I'm saying this to you instead. Mm-hmm.
Get him. Go after him.
Get Tom Izzo. Yeah, I love when coaches tell fans, it's the Nick Saban, the rat poison.
Don't put anything in their ears. Don't listen to him.
Don't say anything about them. All right, my cool throne is Howie Mandel, Liam's guy, Bubba's guy.
He's cool throne because he's been ahead of the times, not handshaking with anyone ever. The A-10 came out.
They have their tournament in Brooklyn. They have ended the handshake line after games.
Oh, my God. What are they going to do in the hockey playoffs? Every NHL team is going to come down with the coronavirus because their sportsmanship is so strong.
I like that the handshake line like, you know, guys will be playing, bumping up against each other, sweating on each other, breathing on each other, bleeding on each other, but do not shake hands after the game. Making out with each other.
That will be too much. So, Howie Mandel, you are ahead of your time.
He's from. Do you think Howie Mandel's going outside right now? No.
Howie Mandel, he's sealed hermetically in his office. He bought one of those vacuum sealers online, and then he tried to just dive through it.
One of the ones that you put a salmon in to keep fresh. He's got to be freaking out.
He's trying to stick his entire body through a vacuum sealer. And he's actually very susceptible because he has not been sick in, I assume, a really long time.
And he's got that soul patch. Listen, Howie Mandel, my friend, you are hairless all over your body.
But the fact that you lack the commitment to shave off that soul patch is going to be what gets you, brother. Yeah, won't stop the seal.
That thing is just a petri dish of coronavirus right now. So I was actually under the assumption, like what you just said, that it's the beard catches a bunch of disease and stuff.
It's actually the face mask it's just a seal you don't get a seal if you have a beard no but if you have a if you have a beard then stuff gets stuck in it all the time i don't think it i think it really is they're they're they're saying no i'm not buying that face mask i'm not buying that your your face right now we're not gonna face mask just bacteria everywhere okay you want to lick it no we'll give it a lick i actually i'm i am standing up right now and saying i respect coronavirus i'm done disrespecting it

i'm not i'm putting a respect i still think they're a fraud they've only won on the road they

haven't i am respecting coronavirus i'm not i'm sorry they've only won at home they haven't

listen just because you can win in china and italy doesn't mean that you can come over to the big

boy united states okay washington no they haven't yeah that you can come over to the big boy United States. They've been winning in Washington.
No, they haven't. Yeah, they have.
Six people died. A Washington state? Yeah.
Yeah, that's true. No, I'm not talking about Washington, D.C.
The D.C. defenders will defend that.
That's right. We're safe.
Audi Field is the safest place to be. That's ground zero where everyone gets Audi Field.
It's basically get to Winterfell. Yeah.
No, King's Landing. Everyone get to King's Landing? I don't know.
Fuck that show. All right, let's get to our interviews.
We have, what, are you mad now? Let's get to our interviews. We will run Jay Gruden first, then snacks afterwards, before we get to Jay Gruden.
Hey, what's going on there, pal? We saw you at the hockey game on. Do I know you guys? I'm Ryan Whitney.

I got a drink named after me.

Not a big deal.

Pink Whitney?

That's what I thought.

See you, fellas.

I invented the thing, you pigeon.

Pink Whitney for legendary moments.

Okay, here he is, Jay Gruden.

Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.

It is Jay Gruden, former head coach of the Washington Redskins, now offensive coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Good to finally have you on.
We've been circling each other for a while. It's an honor to be on this show.
Yeah. Okay, so we said right before we started that we were going to maybe bust your balls a little because we had Doug Marone on earlier, and you said that's fine.
We can do that. So I'll just start with one of my tweets that I found from 2014.
I just said, Jay Gruden creeps me out. Thanks.
I don't know why. I have no idea what that's about.
Why would you tweet that? I have no idea. What did I do that creeps you out? I don't know.
I really don't know. You probably didn't do anything.
So I apologize for that. Okay.
No. Yeah.
Apology accepted. But it's good to have you on.
If that's the worst yeah well no i don't know there's worse ones yeah why is jay gruden always out of breath i'm not always out of that's what i said in 2014 as well i don't know what it was uh must have beaten the bears or something i don't know what happened but i was mad both big cat and i think tweeted a picture of you wearing your headset kind of weird on monday night football oh yeah Yeah. Yeah, I have trouble with the headset.
Sometimes it should be on my left ear, right ear, and then I can't find my glasses. I said, and I am a Redskins fan.
I grew up a Redskins fan. I'm dyed in the wool.
Purposely watching this Redskins-Dolphins game should automatically kill you within 24 hours like the ring. That was from this year.
So, yeah, we're getting the – I wasn't there then. I'm getting everything out of my system right now.
Yeah. I was already on a golf course on that Sunday.
Okay, so let's start with there. So, obviously, this past year has been a little weird for you because you got fired by the Redskins midseason.
You're now with the Jaguars. How's it been? Like, you had a few months where you just weren't coaching football, and it was football season.
Yeah, I was a normal human living a normal life, playing a little bit of golf, taking some trips. Really kind of enjoyed it there for the first three or four weeks, and then you kind of wake up, and you're like, what am I going to do today? You know what I mean? If the weather's bad, you know what you do.
I'd take a 30-minute drive and go work out, so I'd have to drive 30 minutes back, maybe grab some lunch. But days started to stack up.
You were trying to figure out what to do. But stayed pretty busy, enjoyed the time off, but itching to get back in.
You do look like you're in good shape right now. You look rested.
You look like a little – That's another compliment by you guys. You look low-key jacked a little bit.
Like you could put me in a headlock right now. Yeah, probably could.
But I just twist your nipples. Another bad tweet, I might do it.
That's right. That's right.
So I sent you that video of us talking to Gardner Minshew at the Super Bowl. We gave him the word of advice.
You like it when players twist your nipples a little bit. Deshaun Jackson did do that a few years ago.
It looked like you were having fun with it at the time, so don't be surprised if Gardner just reached it over. It only happened one time, by the way.
I did knock out Deshaun and punish him for that. Have you talked to Nick Foles and Gardner Minshew and gotten to sit with them? We can't talk any football right now, but I was able to talk and say hello and introduce myself.
It's unfortunate we can't talk ball right now. But, yeah, I think it's going to be a process.
Both these guys bring something interesting to the table. Nick's played a lot of big games, won a lot of big games.
Gardner's got the excitement level and played great as a rookie. So the competition will be fierce.
I think Gardner listens to this show. So if you wanted to say anything to him, you could tell it to us, and then he'd hear it.
About football. Really? Yeah.
Not probably this way. He's got plenty of time.
He. Yeah.
You want to die? He's probably in an RV right now traveling across the country. True.
Right. True.
He definitely is. I like hearing the sound of your voice because it sounds like football.
You and your brother both have that Ohio. Whereabouts in Ohio is it from? Northeast Ohio? Well, yeah.
I kind of grew up in Indiana. I was born in Ohio, but I was an infant when we moved.
Grew up in Bloomington, Indiana, South Bend, Indiana, and then went to high school in Tampa. There you go.
You've got that football voice, and the first time we sat down with Coach McVay, we were like, you try to sound like a Gruden sometimes. You grew up around the Grudens.
He's a copycat. Yeah.
That's what I'm saying. He's a copycat.
Yeah. We got that trademarked.
He can't have it. Do you remember first meeting him, and he sounded completely normal, and and then slowly morphed into a gruden he didn't talk a lot when i first met him he was really young he was like john's a little office manager kind of just typed up scripts and all that stuff he came up the hard way now he he went on a fast track and did a great job but didn't talk a whole lot when i first met him right so a guy like that um when you see him and you meet him and you see what he's doing, do you have any inkling that this guy's head coach material? Can you tell even when a guy comes in the door the first day? You never really can't tell until they get in front of players and how they interact with players and how they get across what they need to get across in a professional manner to get the players to do what they're supposed to do.
And Sean's great at that. He's a very young-looking individual, but once he talks football uh the players have a lot of respect for him because his knowledge is great you gain respect with the knowledge that you have and the ability to get across to the players you know he coached Chris Cooley uh Chris Cooley has lots of great things to say about him and he moved on from tight end coach to obviously offensive coordinator with me people said I was crazy tiring this young offensive coordinator yeah now they say I'm an idiot.
They're there for letting him go. So, you know, that's just where you guys are in the media.
That is how the NFL works. It is kind of funny that way.
So, now you're down in Jacksonville. We were talking to Doug Marone earlier.
He said that one of the first things you mentioned was we need to get a fullback. I'm a big fullback guy.
We're a pro fullback podcast. And it seems like you want to introduce that wrinkle back to Jacksonville because they used to have what, Ohannon back in the day.
Have you thought about who that individual might be? No, no, there's some free agents out there. You can look at there's some guys in the draft possibly, you know, it's not a necessity to have a fullback, but that part of your offense, when you take that out of your game, you know, there's some that you're missing.
Play-action passes are excellent. Obviously, the running game can improve a little bit, but to have a good fullback goes hand-in-hand.
You better have a good tight end. It can block the edge as well.
We're trying to figure out the necessary pieces to our offense so we can come at and we can really have a really good grasp of where we want to go fullback tight end, two tight ends, three tight ends, one tight end. You know what I mean so we're still in the infantry stages but we'll figure it out how do you pick up new wrinkles to your offense do you just do through watching college through watching other coaches like what's that both really you know it's fun when you go and you start to evaluate these players for the draft I always got an idea reel something I haven't seen before and I click them on there and I store them and and go back to them, uh, to help just try to spark a thought.
And then obviously watching teams that are successful, watch what, uh, the 49ers did this year with their fullback, for instance, and watch obviously Patrick Mahomes play with Kansas city. I always like to watch Sean, uh, cause we have similar type things, but he's branched off and done some different things himself.
So there's about seven or eight teams that I like to watch and study and come up with good ideas. So if it was a battle royale, you and, well, your brother and Sean.
Wait, wait, let me finish. Actually, yeah, you're right, because it was going to be your brother and Sean versus you and Deuce.
Oh, Deuce and Deuce. I feel like Deuce is like you're attacked on.
How are you going to get Deuce out of the ring? I mean. I rarely get starstruck.
But when we were walking through the lobby last year at the combine, it was this very lobby. It was like 9 o'clock p.m.
and Deuce was grinding film just by himself at a table. And I was like, oh, my God, that's Deuce Gruden.
That's incredible. I might take Deuce's brother now.'s an mma fighter really he's he's three and oh right now he's he's he's jacked up too so i was i was doing a little research on your family and it's it's you and john but then you have another brother yeah who's a doctor who's a doctor yeah he's like the black sheep of the family like what's up with that some people run away to join the circus i grew up i was the youngest brother of three and uh those two guys you couldn't draw up two exact opposite human beings to be

brothers really i mean really jim is smart john was a jock and they you know they butted heads a

lot and argued and fought and i was always a mediator i just want to play you know uh but

ultimately they figured out and got along and everybody gets along good so does he watch all

your guys games is he coming you know come and see games during the season or is he yeah he comes uh

Now, the... Ultimately, they figured it out and got along, and everybody gets along good.
So does he watch all your guys' games?

Does he come and see games during the season?

Yeah, he's come before.

He's pretty busy himself, though.

Yeah.

But he got up to the Giants game, and he came to a home game for me last year.

So he tries to come as much as he can.

That would be cool if he had some random plays that he gave you. He was like the Gruden whisperer.

What is he, a doctor at Cornell, right? He's radiologist yeah that's crazy that's wild jay just gave you this look like yeah are you stalking me yeah what's going on you know everything about my family well i think i uncovered the secret i think yeah he has the best plays he gives them to you so if we can get to those plays we did used to play board games all the time college football the right don't roll dice and pick plays and stuff. Jim and I used to play that all the time.
He's a pretty good play caller. Okay.
Are you playing against the Raiders this year? No. Oh, man, that'd be awesome.
Damn. And your brother could show up wearing like a half visor, half Jacksonville, half black.
And I could wear my headset all crooked. Yeah.
That'd be awesome. Did you watch Hard Knocks? I did watch part of it, yeah.
What did you think? I thought it was pretty good. You know, we're in training camp as well, so I could, like, after meeting and stuff, I'd cook it on.
It was pretty good. Did you think your brother was maybe, like, kind of turning it up a little for the cameras? He wouldn't do that.
He doesn't play to the cameras. Of course he did.
Actually, that's the way he is, really. He coaches a lot of energy, a lot of passion, and a great motivator.
So, yeah, that's the way he is. Was it ever awkward when he was in media and he had to call your games? I never listen to games.
I don't listen to media. I really don't.
I try not to unless it comes to my attention that somebody says something really bad that I have to address or show something really bad. But, yeah, I just try to do my own thing.
It's a nice way to live, just to be kind of like not listening to anything. You go crazy.
You go crazy. Yeah.
What I have done before is really bad now. Some of the articles, I've scrolled down and read the comments.
Oh, you can't do that. Who writes those things? You can't do that.
I want to meet some of these comment writers. You can't do that.
It's unbelievable. The comments will kill you.
Have you ever read the pro football talk comment section? Unbelievable. The worst place on the planet.
Absolutely. Who writes those things? Probably mass murderers.
Psychos. Probably people that should be locked up.
Some are pretty funny, though. Some of them are.
You have to be able to laugh at yourself. That's a good point.
It strikes me as guys who are overcompensating for something, maybe height or whatever it may be. You get those comments.
Sometimes. You want to be humbled? Read a comment.
Yeah. That's right.
True. That's a great quote.
Put that on a quote point. Yeah.
I love that. Don't quote me because it'll be a comment underneath it.
Yeah. All right.
So PFT mentioned that you look good, and you do look good. You've been working out.
Who said that? PFT just said you look good. You look like you've been working out.
But you did once rank your own body as a 32 out of 100. Where are you at right now? I'm talking about 32 out of 100.

Yeah, that's what you said.

That's a direct quote from you.

He didn't read it in the media.

Yeah, you didn't read it in the media.

You said that.

You said it and then forgot it.

Well, I used to be quite chunky.

Yeah.

I used to be chunky.

I had a spell.

I had a couple bad knees and I was eating.

I wasn't able to exercise.

And you sit in the office all day.

You're watching film and not motivated at all to do any type of exercise.

So I put on a few pounds and then lost it all. So now what are you, like a 40 out of 100? You know, 45? I don't rank myself.
You did, though. What do you think I am? You ranked yourself a 32.
I ripped myself. I'm probably 35 now.
Yeah, I'd say you're 60. 60 out of 100? Really? Yeah.
Who's 100? Yeah. DK Metcalf? Yeah, that would be a good one.
Aaron Donald?

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

He's a little chunky.

No.

If he just has, like, one weekend where he just eats juice or drinks juices, he'll have a six-pack.

About 52, though.

Yeah.

Or 53.

Yeah.

Does that count?

So you've got to grade it on a scale.

As far as 52-year-olds go, you're probably, like, 70.

You're doing well.

Yeah.

Show me another 52-year-old.

Who else is 52?

No, I'm just kidding.

Yeah, there's a lot.

It's a weird age.

I'll see you next time. year olds go you're probably like 70 you're doing well yeah show me another 52 year old uh who else is 52 i'm just kidding yeah there's a lot it's a weird age weird age man do you feel weird it's a weird age yeah because you're in a you're in a you're not old hey but you're old old to feel this yeah young to feel this old but too old to young things like 60 is old 52 is like where are you man yeah i figure i got a few years left before i get old and then you look like that old stalker sitting around looking at you know what i mean yeah i have my fun now i think right right you're right at that age where it's like yeah 52 okay you know whatever you got a little left maybe a little left yeah um when you were with the redskins and kirk cousins was like hey can i get an office so that i can sit in an office and pretend to work all day? Were you like, come on, Kirk? Come on, man.
It's necessary for the quarterback because a lot of times they come in early. And if you don't have the office space, right, there's nowhere for them to go watch film.
So he wants to come in early or stay after practice. Well, we have to watch film and prepare for the next day or what have you.
So we set up a little cubby for him.'m glad he's in there watching it rather be doing that than playing a video game did you see how he grilled steaks though i did not see that you ever go to a barbecue at his house no i'm never invited kirk you never invited me to a barbecue kirk did colt ever invite you to a barbecue i don't no comment oh no never never i didn't really co-mingle with the players outside I guarantee you Colt McCoy's barbecue is a lot better than Kirk. Kirk Cousins, when he cooks a steak, he puts aluminum foil underneath it.
Yeah, but Colt, man, he drinks like milk, unpasteurized milk. He does some weird stuff.
I don't think I'd go over to Colt. I like that.
You do love Colt McCoy, though. Yeah.
I like them both. Yeah, I love them both.
I like a lot of players that I coach. But Colt's a great guy, very competitive.
It's just a shame that he had a couple opportunities and got injured, unfortunately. When you were coaching the Redskins, you had Rob Ryan and Jim Tomsula in our defensive staff.
What did that meeting room smell like? Doritos and Pop-Tarts and chicken wings. No.
Italian subs. No, they were great guys.
You know, they were, they were great. They got along very well.
And, uh, I didn't really go in there and smell their meeting rooms. I kind of had to work with the offense a little bit.
I turned the defense over to those guys. I felt pretty good about it.
Manusky and those cats. Yeah.
Um, all right. So here's another quote for you.
Uh. You were once called the MJ of arena football.

Do you remember that?

No, I don't.

Okay, so you were called the Michael Jordan of arena football.

Now, when I was looking at this quote, I was like, wow,

they were calling Jay Gruden the greatest of all time.

It was a little different.

It was when you made your comeback and everyone was saying,

is he going to be like Michael Jordan on the Wizards? But you still were called the Michael Jordan of arena football at one point. Yeah, I mean, we won four championships in six years as a player.
No big deal. Dynasty.
Then I came back to play and I broke my leg in half. The guy that I cut with the Predators when I was head coach was playing for another team as I played.
And I threw a little pass out in the flat and was standing there and snapped my leg in half. You did that on purpose.
Brutal. That's tough.
Now, you were ranked the number four AFL player of all time. So you're on the Mount Rushmore.
Yeah, I'm not very happy. I should have been at least three.
Yes, I'd agree. Who's in front of you? I believe George LaFrance.
Touchdown, Eddie Brown. Antonio Brown's dad is number one.
Barry Wagner's number two. And I think LaFrance is three and I'm four.
That's bullshit. Yeah, but I mean.
I'm out of Kurt Warner, though. Yeah, there you go.
You like that, Kurt? Yeah. Is there a Hall of Fame for the NFL? There is.
It's somebody's trunk. Yeah, it's your thing.
The league's done. It's over.
It's sad, man. I put a lot of work in it.
I love that league. It was a lot of fun.
And we're able to compete and build people's careers and give some people some money. Unfortunately, didn't get it done as far as longevity.

It's a cool – I mean, it was a cool league to watch.

I remember it was such kind of like a novelty when you'd turn it on and be like, what's going on here?

It was a blast.

Yeah, people just throwing it up and down the –

Points.

You know, points, points, points.

And then that weird – the weird extra point in field goal, the skinny –

Yeah.

I love those.

They feed wide, yeah.

Yeah, I love those.

I hate that part.

So you actually could be eligible for the football hall of fame, pro football Hall of Fame. It doesn't say NFL Hall of Fame.
It's Professional Football Hall of Fame. We talked to David Baker about this.
So there should be a wing for the AFL in there. You could have your bust in there.
It would just be like your shattered leg, a cast of your shattered leg. Yeah, be in the closet somewhere next to the coffee machine.
Hey, as you're getting your coffee, if you look over there in a corner by the trash can, there's the Arena League Hall of Fame. There's Jay Gruden.
Jay Gruden wearing a Michael Jordan Wizards jersey. He's looking great, folks.
Do you still hate meetings? What do you mean? That was a quote as well I read up. I got all these quotes.
What kind of meetings? Just meetings. I'm not a big meeting.
I hate meetings. There we go.
So I was right. Yeah.
I hate meetings, too. meetings too they're necessary they're part of it but i just don't like meetings yeah what do you like you obviously prefer practice to meetings i would like practice like getting out there walking through practice i mean meetings you got to do your installs and all that but the teams of the people that over meet team meet and just want to talk all the time you know there's only so many things you can say we got to teach our offense we got to practice it let's go i'd imagine you players appreciate that in you as a coach where it's like hey i'm not gonna be here for long it could have been a uh a negative too because i didn't have a ton of team meetings and all that stuff but i did you know i addressed the team a couple times a week and night before a game and i was more of an individually individual based coach i like to try to get guys one-on-one and talk to them.
Because everybody's different, you know. What motivates you doesn't motivate you, right? He's food.
But there are some team core values that you have to install in your team, still in your team, and try to do that the best you could. I liked it.
I think I'd like to play for Jay Gruden. Thanks.
Yeah, absolutely. So when you're going into your team meeting, though, that you have to do, is that a Friday meeting? Yeah, we usually have one Monday after the game and then maybe a Friday and then a Saturday night.
So the Saturday night meeting, when you're going in there and you're like, I've got to get these guys pumped up, do you sit down and prepare anything or do you just get up there and let people speak? We try to come up with a few talking points, but again, it was not a 10-minute, 20-minute speech. It was about three or four.
Because these guys, they've had a long week of practice. It's Saturday night.
They want to get to the rooms, eat their snack, and go to bed. You know what I mean? So we're not going to run through the tunnel Saturday night or run through the tunnel Sunday at 1 o'clock.
You know what I mean? Sure. So I just want to touch on a few points that we talked about during the week and something maybe motivational, something fun, and let them go to bed.
We've had both Harbaugh brothers on brothers on. We've not had your brother on, but since we're talking to you right now and hopefully someday we have John on, was there ever a point where as a younger brother you got stronger than John and you could maybe beat him in like a wrestling match? Yeah, John was strong.
He was one of those really stocky guys and lifted weights all the time, and I was more of a tall, ganglyly, skinny guy. He had his way with me growing.
He was three and a half years older than me. He put in his book my freshman year of college, sophomore year of college, I started a little stronger.
We had a fight in the front yard. Ended all the fights.
You won? I did good enough to where there was never going to be another fight.

I like that.

That is always the moment.

It's necessarily win or lose.

Yeah.

If the little brother can beat up the big brother, then fights stop.

It's like, nah, I don't want to do this anymore.

No more fights.

Yeah, right.

But we haven't really had any times where we had to get in a fight anymore.

We get along pretty good.

Okay, so then let me ask you this because I asked this to both Harbaugh brothers.

When you guys are maybe together, family outings, whatever it may be, holidays,

do you ever give them a look like, I'd kick your fucking no no i would never do that he's been really good to me in my coaching career i would not be sitting here with all the opportunities i've had without john's tutelage okay but sometimes i mean you don't you don't have to give the look as long as you know right it sounds like since that moment in your front yard he knows he knows yeah i mean that's we're both old neither one of us want to fight but uh but i also know what bothers him and he knows what bothers me and we try not to do things that bother each other right very cordial and very peaceful okay last i wanted to turn the heat up a little bit i'd do some things that agitate what's one thing that would get him one thing yeah i can name about three thousand i could chew gum and crack it pop the gum you know what i mean i could chew with my mouth open you know i could breathe really loud i could do a lot of things i could laugh like really loud and annoying you know i could do a lot of you know yeah but you would never do any of that never no no no because then you'd have to kick his ass yeah no we're not around each other enough to try to agitate each other. We try to just talk ball and talk about the kids and all that stuff.
I love it. So are you putting Spider 2 wide banana in the playbook? It's always in.
You need a fullback for it, though. Yeah, I have a fullback for it, though.
You can motion a tight end back to do it, but yeah. That's true.
Actually, I think our touchdown against the Eagles, our first touchdown of the year was Vernon Davis on a Spider 2. He a little bluff that ran a flat route, jumped over a guy and scored a touchdown on that.
That's right. That was probably the best.
Wasn't really a wide banana, but it was a little crossing route. That was the best play of the year for the Redskins.
Yeah, thanks. Yeah, that was under your tutelage.
Tutelage. Yeah, so what's more impressive, do you think, winning four AFL titles or actually lasting five complete seasons, or five seasons, as a Redskins headins head coach? Always proud to win a championship, but when you get to the NFL and you're able to be a head coach in National Football League, any season where you can last the entire season, a good season.
I felt pretty good about our accomplishments where we started and where we grew. Unfortunately, it didn't last.
You know, we had some unfortunate things happen to us injury-wise, and at the end of the day, it was time for a change. Yeah, yeah.
All right, I got one last question. It's a Seeky question, promo code take.
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So I would love to hear your take on the Joe Burrow. It was overblown, but the Joe Burrow, does he, does he not want to go to Cincinnati? You coached there.
Do you think that players like deciding, oh, I don't want to go there. Do you think that's ridiculous? Or do you think there is a merit in some organizations, maybe not being, you know, as great as others? You know what? I think every situation is different and every player has their own reasons for doing what they do.
Personally, I believe you're drafted there. We have draft for a reason, and they're number one for a reason.
They should have their chance at the best player in a draft. That's what makes the NFL great and equal.
So you feel like you have a chance to win every year because you're getting your pick of the litter if you have a bad year. So personally, I think he should have to go and play.
Cincinnati is a great place. I coached there for three years.
Mike Brown is a heck of an owner. He's fair.
He's loyal. And, you know, Zach Taylor's a good coach.
And I think if they get A.J. Green back, who wouldn't want to go to throw to A.J.
Green? Right. Yeah.
Yeah. My very last question is, I don't know if you saw the Redskins pregame reports that would come out every single week, but Larry Michael would have that board up.
It'd be offense, defense, special teams. and he'd check which team had the advantage.
And the fourth category was skin tangibles. That was like the X factor.
In your mind, what is a skin tangible, and were you feeding him descriptions of it? Skin tangible. You know, I think...
You guys always won the skin tangible call. It's funny because...
If he checked the other team on a skin tangible at our home place, we'd have a problem, right? That would be interesting. I think hustle, effort, protecting the football, creating turnovers, things that may not show up in a stat, receivers blocking for your running back, finishing games, finishing drives, physicality.
Might not be just a tackle.

It might be a physical tackle, right?

I like that.

I like how you said that.

Tone setter, tone setting plays.

And did you get those tone setting plays like by having,

like when the equipment guy would stir the Gatorade around with the styrofoam cups,

would that give a little skin tangibles into the Gatorade?

Yeah.

Did you ever see that?

Yeah.

That was another, I think that was the exact same game.

I think all these mean things that we're bringing up about the game were just from that one Monday night football game. Yeah.
It was great. One last, last question.
What's your favorite? I know you kind of like the horses. I do too.
What's your favorite track in America? That's easy for me. Well, I haven't been to Del Mar.
Okay. You know, Saratoga for me is not even close.
Okay. You've been to Keeneland? I've been to Keeneland.
I love Keeneland. I love Keeneland too.
Yeah. I just like to go.
I go to Saratoga, and I used to go for the opening weekend, and I'd get up early, and I'd go for a jog and hang out with the trainers and watch them train. That's my favorite part of it.
Yeah. Not so much going to the track, but just the whole setup and the old school feel of the town.
Yes. There's so much history there, and it's such a beautiful place that time of year it's gorgeous awesome and it is just do that really i mean i love it i i think about that often like that you know someday i want to retire i'm just going to live in a town where there's only they're only a couple months a year though yeah you get up at 5 30 in the morning go out there and watch these horses work out i mean it's beautiful they're yeah They're, yeah.
Being up close to a racehorse is pretty cool. Oh, man.
They take such good care of them, too. People talk about the, how, you know, how they're mistreated.
These thoroughbreds are treated like kings. Yeah.
Better than we are. Better than we treat ourselves.
Yeah. I mean, you're talking about, like, just practice again.
You just, like, going out and being around things that are practicing. Yeah.
Yeah. Love talking to trainers, too, because they have their issues, too, with all the horses that they have.
You know, some horses don't perform like they should. Some horses get a little injured and they can't get them off the injury report.
You know what I mean? And then what do you do with them? Do you try to put them in a claiming race to get rid of them? Or you try to keep building them up and spend a time with them. So it's pretty cool.
It's a, you know, it's a great sport, man. It's a lot of work involved.
Yeah. It's pretty awesome.
All right. Well, Jay, thank you so much.
Thank you. You're welcome on any time.
We'd love to have you and your brother on, maybe have you guys fight. Just wrestle.
Just for us. For charity.
Yeah, for charity. For charity.
For charity. We'll do charity.
But, yeah, this has been awesome. Thank you so much.
Hey, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.
Thanks, man. That interview with Jay Grun was brought...
Win or lose, no matter what happens, no matter where it happens, New Amsterdam Vodka is there. And now, snacks.
Okay, we now welcome on Viral Sensation and student manager for Jackson State's basketball team. It is Thomas Snacks Lee, the man who got into the game last night or tuesday monday night and whapped a three what's up man how how does it feel to be viral oh it actually still hasn't hit me yet still feel unreal to be actually go in a real division one basketball game and actually be able to attempt some some game shots right yeah were you confident get into the game that that if they gave you the shot you could hit one oh most definitely I often challenge my teammates every day uh to shooting competitions and sometimes I win and sometimes they end up being very competitive so they we challenge each other and I just said if I got the opportunity I had to make one and I knew the crowd was going to erupt so it was it was great okay so the proverbial turd in the punch bowl that is darren revel tweeted out that you actually took four shots and missed the first three if that's true you can say it's true but then we're just gonna pretend that never happened it was true but i only remember the make from last night hell yeah that's all we remember too we don't see we didn't see the the misses so you're one for one on the videos that I've seen of you shooting.
Shoot or shoot. Shoot or shoot, shoot or shoot.
Right, absolutely. And then so after you hit that shot, my favorite part was you getting back on defense and leaving the outside of the screen for just about a half second and then just staying back down and trying to get another basket real quick.
Was that part of the plan? Were you just like, hey, I'm not going to go back on defense.

Just get me the ball.

I score buckets.

I don't play D.

Actually, it was when I was on there, I said, man, I just scored.

Let me get the crowd into it. So I actually went on the other end talking to the fans.

So I was turning the fans up on the other side, saying like, this is my house,

this is my house.

So I was kind of getting them into it. And everybody was kind of embracing it and kind of just, you know, saying the same thing.
Oh, man, it's such an awesome moment. I love these, like, this is college basketball right around now when you have senior nights and guys get in the games that have been doing the work behind the scenes.
There's nothing better. I also saw that you wear number 35.
That's an homage to Kevin Durant, the Slim Reaper, as we call him. Did he shout you out afterwards? He actually shouted me out on Twitter.
He said, I see you, Snyte. And it was kind of like an unreal moment.
I couldn't actually believe it. I actually got a response from Kevin Durant.
And I also tagged him on my Instagram. And I told a lot of people to kind of tag him because I was trying to get an in-person.
I was trying to meet him, actually, because he's my favorite player. I've actually been following him since Texas.
So it was kind of like a great moment to see him actually shout me out on Twitter. So there's a lot of people commenting on my Instagram, adding him, trying to get me to get an opportunity to meet Kevin Durant.
I love it. Since you're more viral than Kevin Durant is right now, since he's been taking the year off, you should just tell people, hey, everybody go give my man Kevin Durant a follow on Instagram and on Twitter.
He needs a little bit more clout right now. So spread some of your juice out.
Let him get a little taste of that. I'm not going to.
I can't do that. That's my guy well given your range because you shot that from the parking lot do you think if you played one-on-one with kevin durant you think you'd be able to get a couple buckets almost definitely i'm definitely scoring i would actually like to make that happen i actually think i give him a run for his money okay all right yeah well i mean we can't really help set it up.
Maybe we can. That would be great to watch.
Yeah, we would be team snacks all the way. That would be a great one-on-one matchup.
Can you tell us anything behind the nickname Snacks, or how long have you had it for? I've actually had the name since about probably around about 2005, 2006, because I've actually been around the program for going on 15, 16 years, and I actually enrolled in Jackson State coming out of high school. My aunt, she used to always take me to the Jackson State games, and I would go with the players back in the locker room.
They would kind of embrace me as like a little brother, and I always had like Skittles and snacks and things like that and I actually uh used to eat them in the locker room and I actually uh get things for the players and like before the game I get them snacks and skittles before the game to kind of get the energy flowing and actually the ironic thing about it some of the guys that I actually gave snacks to they're actually still on the coaching staff it was a kind of surreal moment to actually see them on the sideline. Like two of our assistant coaches were actually playing at the time that I was coming supporting the team.
And one of our assistant coaches actually promised me if I made the honor roll that he would give me the opportunity to be a student manager here. So it was kind of it was all kind of connected as well as uh my final semester of college now whereas and they uh they let me finish my last semester actually on the basketball scholarship so it's all been just just rolling right now that's awesome and when they announced like snacks is in the game and snacks for three like that's that's a word you get the nickname snacks that's respect right and i see you got two games left in the regular season right have we seen the last of snacks are you planning on getting back in one of these games well snacks is on hold for now until we finish off the season but our coach uh gave the team an incentive that if they finish off these two games and we got the home seed and uh swag tournament because the first four teams get a home game so he said he promised me we get a home game snacks will be back oh I like it saving you for the playoffs wow so the people got to realize you guys are fifth right now you got to win out grambling states ahead of you right now and then we could maybe get a return of the snack snack attack might be back I love it all right uh well snacks thank you so much for joining us enjoy your viral moment that was like I feel like we needed something like that because every now and then people get too down on life and to see you get in there and hit that three I mean you hit it from the moon yeah it was an impressive shot I don't care who you are and it was your first shot right yeah it was my first yeah exactly first one yes it was kind of like a it was a great moment for me because it was kind of uh that's why I made the post that I made that you know kind of basically saying that if you put your mind to it you can do it I probably years ago I probably never thought I'd be in this position so to actually be able to actually get in the actual game and get an opportunity like that I didn't take it for granted so i had to at least go in and give me one to drop and to see my name in the stat sheet and on espn and things like that it was it was nice so i kind of felt like i was a d1 athlete that's awesome i love it man success is what happens when preparation meets opportunity that's fucking great well snacks much, man.
We're fans of yours. We're rooting for you guys

to get one of those top four

seeds so we can get Snacks back out there.

We are a Jackson State podcast. Yeah, and let us know

if you're ever in New York City, and we'd love to have you

come by the studio and hang out.

Most definitely. I'll most definitely let

you guys know, and it'll be a great opportunity.

Alright. Thanks, man.
Thanks so much, man.

Good luck. You guys have a great one.

Hey, it's Rhea from Chicks in the Office. It's officially mini skort season, and Abercrombie has the ones to go out in.
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Make plans to go out in abercrombie shop their newest arrivals in store and online okay let's get some segments first up we have bachelor talk for guys that don't watch the bachelor even though some of us do victoria f and hannah ann showed up to the rose ceremony madison was nowhere to be found but eventually showed up. Pete gave the first rose to Hannah Ann.

He then asked Madison if she would accept the second rose, because she said she wouldn't

if he slept with other women, which he did.

But, she accepted the rose.

I knew she'd be back.

Victoria F.

Goes home. Stand by

your morals.

Madison. At the women's tell-all,

Victoria F. sat with Chris Hansen, and he asked Victoria about the allegations that she broke up multiple marriages in the past.
Victoria F. vehemently denied the allegations and said they never happened.
Wait, what allegations are these? Apparently there's rumors on the internet that Victoria F. has slept with multiple, like upwards of five of her friend's husbands.
Whoa, homewrecker.

Damn.

Victoria, I didn't know. But that was one of those situations where it was like a kind of internet thing,

and then Chris Harrison was just like, is this true?

Damn.

Wow.

Victoria F. is like everyone hates her, right?

Yeah, she's a little bit of a wild child.

I liked her.

That's actually a good idea for a show.

Just call it The Homewrecker.

Yeah.

And have a giant mansion filled with happily married couples,

and then one just crazy hot chick. Who just comes in and just fucks everyone.
And also they destroy the house by the end of it. Victoria fucker.
With like a wrecking ball too. The home wrecker.
And then Pete sat in the hot seat. Friday is on Paramount Channel.
Pete sat in the hot seat at the woman tell all and he said that it was really hard dating 30 women at the same time oh but he doesn't regret any of his decisions and all the girls talked about what a valuable experience the show was for them our boy trent who writes these recaps was in the women's tell all at the at the episode so i asked him for uh like his thought process from the episode and he said his initial plan for being at the show was to not smile laugh or clap the entire the entire time. It worked for the first five minutes until I started to feel like an asshole.

They filmed for six hours and it would have been impossible to not clap the whole time.

Oh, and then he took a bottle to the face.

And then my plan for the champagne part was to not get it all over myself.

I mostly failed at that because Kelsey shook the bottle up like crazy, but I tried my best.

Okay, so we're down to the final two now, right?

Yep.

When's the final episode?

Next week.

Next Monday? Monday.

Probably like six hours long.

Yeah.

Is it really?

And then they announced a new bachelorette. She's like 46.
So can you gamble her? Wait, we don't age shame. I mean, kind of.
Is she 40? No. She's not 46.
No, we don't age shame. She's old.
Didn't they have a commercial asking for old people? Yeah, but that's for a different show. This is the bachelorette.
You should be... I don't know.
I don't know. She's 38.
Okay. Once you're over 35, you might as well be 46.
That's kind of how I look at things. Oh.
Once you're over 36, you might as well be 48. There you go.
Okay, I agree. That's how I look at this.
I agree with that. 36 is the number.
I'm still in my early 30s. Victoria F.
Bad Girl. Old.
Bachelorette coming. Pilot Pete sucks.
And it ended with a major, major, this is actually true, it ended with a major cliffhanger, and apparently, Reality Steve, even all the reality junkies, don't even know what's going to happen. They're like, you're not going to want to miss next week, it's some crazy shit that's never happened before.
Wait, who the fuck is Reality Steve? He's a guy that apparently like just gets all the spoilers for reality shows

and tweets them out.

How the fuck does he do that?

Why would anybody follow him?

How does he do that?

That's the best part is watching the show.

Because you want to know.

Yeah, I do want to know.

So this is the crazy...

I used to do it for the challenge.

So he says that this is like the craziest thing

that's happened in the history of reality shows?

Yeah, it's like unexpected.

What about the fish show?

You will not be able to expect what happens. What about Pumpkin spittingops or no new york what about puck spitting oh yeah puck that puck was very what about rosie getting taken to the hospital or tech diving into the pool naked on day one there's a lot out there what about ct eating adam's brains what about the backpack there's a lot of things what about danny badaduc chugging vodka? So can we bet on this? Can we bet on it? Who do you think is going to win, Hank? I feel like it's going to be Madison.
I feel like once Madison took him back. I'm not going to toot my own horn, but I said Madison episode one of this recap.
He can't go breaking Madison's heart again. Toot it away.
He can't. I watched the first episode, and she said that she won four state championships in a row in high school.
And I was like, that is a part of a champion. Even if she doesn't like this guy, she's going to compete to win.
That's a winner. And that's what she's going to do.
Winners win. This guy Pete seems like a real asshole, so I wouldn't put it past him if he failed to recognize what he had.
What? Yes. He got someone else pregnant? What else could happen where it's like, this result is you'll never expect it.
It's not going to be anything that you could guess. I don't think that it's clearly not going to be him picking one of the two girls because anyone would guess that.
It's got to be like, oh, by the way, Victoria F's got my child. That would be amazing.
I don't know. I don't trust Pete's sperm.
I feel like he's an impotent little prick. Yeah, we know a Pete who can't come.
That's right. PR 101 for the Knicks.
The Knicks have new guy running the show and you'd think that everything's going to change but you would think wrong because they have basically persecuted and made a mockery of their only fan remaining Spike Lee. Well, yeah.
I figured the Knicks were just going to go one by one, kicking every diehard fan out

of their game.

I guess it's Spike Lee's turn.

Well, he didn't get kicked out, but yeah.

Well, they have agreed, apparently, to not let Spike Lee in through the employee's entrance

anymore.

Right.

There was a bit of a misunderstanding.

Spike Lee thought that he was banned from the Garden.

Right.

And then he went on a rant and said, like, are the Knicks, am I going to die before

the Knicks win another championship?

The answer is yes.

Spike Lee, I hate to break it to you.

Yep.

You were going to die.

It was also very funny watching him on first take and having everyone interview him like he had been actually assaulted They were like, so then tell us what happened next What did James Dolan do next? And now the extra part, which I love, because James Dolan cannot stay away from controversy. Spike Lee, the Knicks released a statement saying that Spike Lee, it's ridiculous what he's saying, what he's claiming.
He and James Dolan shook hands at halftime. Everything's fine.
The picture is from, like, way up high. And Spike Lee has released a statement or texted someone that got public saying that he was set up that james dolan came by to specifically shake his hand very quickly so they could get the photo op from a sniper upstairs and then release it and be like look they're friends yeah and i wouldn't put it past james dolan i would not at all this happens all the time in spy movies and TV shows where you send somebody up to get that long distance snapshot of them looking like something inappropriate is happening and boom you've got the propaganda right there, you've got the compromise I would not put that past James Dolan James Dolan has nothing better to do if you think that James Dolan is up in his suite pondering ways to actually make the Knicks better at basketball every single game, absolutely he's planning on getting revenge against all the people that have somewhat slighted him throughout the last 36 hours, and that's a long list of people.
Yes. It's great that he is spending that time, like, hey, can we make this team better? No.
Let's actually just try to get propaganda photos that we can put out there in case our number one fan and the only guy who keeps defending us to probably a point where it's ridiculous that Spike Lee's still going to these games and saying that the Knicks are going to be fine. Let's just make sure that we frame him to make this go away, which it won't.
None of these stories ever go away. They always make it worse.
They actually did Spike Lee a favor by kicking him out. That's one less thing that he has to worry about.
Spike Lee is going to turn into the most optimistic film director in the history of the world

now that he doesn't have to spend 40 nights every year

watching the Knicks play basketball.

Spike, Brooklyn's hot.

He's like, you know what?

The world's pretty nice.

Yeah, Brooklyn's hot.

Kyrie, KD coming back.

Just be a Nets fan.

Come right across the river.

Yeah.

That would be like Papa John going to Kentucky.

Yeah. It's tough.
Double Papa John. All right.
We have a respect the biz to finish up before we get on guys on chicks. What's this respect the biz? Respect the biz to Marshawn Lynch.
So Marshawn Lynch was invited to speak not at the Princeton graduation ceremony, not at commencement, but during graduation week. He was invited to give a speech to all the graduating seniors.
There was an op-ed that was filed in opposition to Marshawn Lynch being invited to speak. Well, I actually agree with him.
It says, among articles that praised Marshawn's NFL career and philanthropic contributions, we came across articles discussing Lynch's reticence with the media and his terse responses at press conferences. In 2013-14, for example, Lynch was fined $50,000 and $100,000 for refusing to speak to the media.
And during the 2015 Super Bowl Media Day, Lynch famously responded to multiple questions with variants of, I'm just here, so I won't get fined Wow. So people are mad that he's giving a speech now when he was disrespecting the media before.
Yes, exactly. So I stand in solidarity with the Princeton students.
Yeah. Essentially, they're crossing the picket line by saying, you know what? Okay, Marshawn, you didn't want to talk to the media then.
We'll take you now. No, no, no, Mr.
Lynch. That's not how it works, my friend.
Right, right. So there are probably like six people that are actually upset about this and wrote a letter to the editor.
I wouldn't even say six. Probably one.
Probably one person that made up five names and attached them to this letter. But thank you for taking a stand on behalf of all the capital J's out there.
I finally feel like we have justice for the time that he said I'm just here not to get fined. And it's probably just Pete Prisco that wrote this letter and then made up a French see ya.
Hank, guys on checks. My fiance is going to Vegas in two weeks claiming that he just wants to go for March Madness and says he absolutely will not go to any strip clubs.
Do I believe him? No. It depends how old he is.
No. I didn't.
You know how many strip clubs I went to last weekend? Zero. Zero strip clubs.
Well, would you go? Which one would you go to? If I were to go in the dress, I would go to Spearmint Rhino. Good one.
If I were to go.

Actually, no, March Madness, I'll say 50-50 chance you might not.

They also have the games on.

Yeah, true.

Strip clubs, allegedly.

And they all get dressed up like athletes and referees.

It's kind of a fun thing.

Get in the spirit of the season.

Sup, Dilfcat and PFT commenter.

My boyfriend is a listener of your podcast and always makes comments that only listeners would get. One that always gets on my nerves is when he makes fun of me by saying i can't play four quarters the other day i couldn't finish my wings and he said if you can't finish those wings and you can't play four quarters how do i get back at him uh i mean there's there's no way because you clearly don't have the stamina to get back at him you're a fucking quitter how about you stop quitting on everything how about how about you just go to the bank and you just change a dollar for four quarters and then you throw him in his face yeah here's my four quarters bitch yeah get 400 quarters put him in a sock and then smack him over the face with it or just four or four that wouldn't hurt as much i want concussion i'll bet if you put four quarters in like pantyhose and then hit somebody in the face with it, it would sting pretty bad.
It would sting, but I want concussion so then you can be like, looks like you got to go to the concussion protocol, bitch. And now he's the one.
That's good advice. Yeah.
Take away his helmet. What's up, PMT crew? So I recently accidentally...
PMT? PMT crew. If we ever get a strain of marijuana, we'll be the PMT.
That's brilliant. So I recently accidentally...
PMT? PMT crew. If we ever get a strain of marijuana, we'll be the PMT.
That's brilliant. So I recently accidentally stumbled upon my boyfriend's internet search history.
Pardon my toke. I was...
That's true. PMT is better.
I was shocked to find his porn history of thick black girls being general topic of search. This is the complete opposite of what I look like and I'm having trouble agreeing to my boyfriend saying

it doesn't matter. It's just porn.

What should I do in this situation? It doesn't matter.

It's just porn. You should never accidentally

stumble upon your boyfriend.

You don't just stumble. You snooped

and you got caught snooping and then you're judging

his porn. That's not fair.

Porn is really the last place

really in the world or in

the United States where you can it's just like blatantly racist all the time. Yeah.
There's so much racist stuff in porn. Yes.
But you should snoop. No one's being PC when they're typing in searches into UJs.
Do not snoop and do not judge. Those are the two rules with porn.
The authors of videos of porn names are some of the greatest clickbait artists of our generation yeah the one that i wrote the xxxfl article about last week it was like woman gets stuck in window and the entire premise of the video was a woman got stuck in a window and then like her boyfriend came in she's like help i'm stuck he's like oh yeah hang on real quick though you. And she's like, okay.
And they just do it because she's stuck in a window.

It was hilarious.

In the window?

Yeah, she was stuck halfway in, halfway out.

That's pretty sick.

He was on the back end.

Did they have the shot where you can see your tits in the glass?

No, because the boobs were on the other side of the window.

Oh, I didn't know if they had maybe another angle.

It was like a crazy magician's trick.

Yeah.

Solder in half.

My best friend keeps getting tricked into dressing up like a guy. She says she doesn't want to.
Weird. Every few months, she keeps getting dressed up as a guy as a prank.
Should we have an intervention? No, that sounds normal. Totally normal.
Yeah, it sounds really normal. Just roll with it, and maybe it's a phase.
And if it's not, you'll support your co-host no matter what. No, this is about a best friend.
Oh, about your best friend. Yeah, your best friend probably got dared to do it by somebody.
But no one actually dared him to do it. No, probably got dared to do it by your friend Marty.
That was actually the weird part, that it really was for nothing other than to dress up for it. When your friend Marty dared your friend to do this, they were probably like, sure, it'll be fun.
It'll make for excellent content, which it probably was. Your friend probably got a lot of laughs out of dressing up as a guy in this case.
Hey, guys, especially Wide Dog. My boyfriend goes to the washroom for five to ten minutes before we have sex every time.
Does he need to shit pre-sex, or what is he doing? He's jerking off. He's either getting a pre-rubub in or he's just washing real good.
He's fluffing himself.

Yeah, he's just, credit to him.

He realizes that he's like a two-pump chump.

So he's going to double those pumps by pumping himself.

Maybe he goes in and he likes his pubes at the exact same length every time,

even if it's just like a quarter inch off.

Yeah.

So he just, he takes out that same clipper, just always looks the same.

Yeah.

That's beautiful.

That's it.

Okay.

Friday.

Friday.

Friday.

Friday.

Doug Marone and Kevin Bacon.

How about that?

How about that?

Kevin Baloney.

Kevin Baloney.

How about that for a duo?

Baloney and Bacon.

That's pretty strong.

Pretty good.

All right.

We'll see everyone Friday.

Love you guys.

Love you guys.

Love you guys. Love you guys.
Love you guys. Thank you.
Don't hold me, make on me, I'll be gone

So needless to say, I won't say

But I'll be in some little way

I'm slowly learning, but life is okay

Say, don't need, I'm ready to be safe and sunny

Don't hold me, make on me, I'll be gone Thanks for betting to be safe this Sunday. Take me on the army.

Take me on the army.

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