Barry Sanders, Colts LB Darius Leonard + Our Role In OBJ Gate

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On today's Pardon My Take, we have Barry Sanders, Hall of Famer, Barry Sanders, in the flesh. We interviewed him in New Orleans.
We also have Darius Leonard, pro bowler from the Indianapolis Colts, in the flesh. Interviewed him in New Orleans.
Very productive week so far. We also have a little cleanup from our national championship interview with Joe Burrow and Coach O on Wednesday.
We have some cheating by the Astros. Everyone's cheating.
Everyone's getting fired or walking away. It's chaos in the baseball streets.
And, of course, Championship Sunday. Preview of Championship Sunday.
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Okay, so to recap, if you missed Wednesday's show,

go back and listen to it right now

because it was an all-timer with Joe Burrow and Coach O

mere hours after they won the national championship.

We had a conversation with Joe Burrow,

just guys being friends, having a good time.

It had happened on Monday night.

Odell Beckham was handing out money.

Everyone saw the video.

It went all over the place.

We happened to ask just a

simple question of Joe.

Did Odell Beckham hand out cash?

Now, we didn't say it was a real cash,

but do we have this transcript?

Do you want to read it so that people can know?

Here we go. Here's the official transcript so that we can

exonerate ourselves.

Courtesy of Jake Marsh.

Snitchgate 2020. I almost said 2019.
Mr. Cat, did Odell give you money? Joe Burrow.
Um, yeah, I'm not a student athlete anymore, so I can say yeah. Did he give you money? Not real money, not fake money.
That's all he said. That's not part of the transcript.
Mr. Cat.
Yeah, that's sick. He was just handing out cash.
I was thinking it would have been awesome if Odell started printing fake money as a flex. Joe Burrow said, with like his face on it? Mr.
Cat. Yeah.
Like you try to pay for a drink and this is Monopoly money. That's sick that he was just handing out cash.
How much cash did he bring? Joe Burrow. I don't know.
So I. First of all, that's total exoneration.
A hundred percent. Cash does not mean real or fake.
Right. Does not mean.
You just asked cash. Right.
Cash. You were basically saying, were there bills that were put into your hand? If anything, Joe Burrow agreeing how funny it would be if it was monopoly money, it seems like he's very aware of what fake money would look like, which would make you think, hmm, that might have been fake money.
He's like, you're right, Big Cat. Yeah.
That fake money is hilarious. The night's coming back to me.
It was fake money. I'd also like people to go back and listen to the transcript before we did the interview where we talked about getting Joe into that room because technically we kidnapped Joe Burrow.
Yeah. He did not consent to the interview.
We went out. We brought him into the room.
We sat him down and started asking him questions. He was probably afraid at the time.
He was afraid for his life. Yes.
So he was going to say anything he could to get out of that room it was under duress yeah we were kidnapping we should be in jail we are so i don't go to jail for lsu you know what i will self-report yeah our compliance infraction of kidnapping to the ncaa yes part of my take is willing to shoulder whatever sort of punishment the ncaa deems fit and that will be on us as a podcast we will self-report that. So ultimately, it's really not a big deal because I think that LSU is going to deal with it by just giving the money back to Odell.
It was a weird situation. Odell had a night.
Odell really made it about Odell. And if anything, I feel like we're getting some blame that should be more, hey, how about the guy who was just handing out cash and putting them in a compromising situation, real or fake, we don't know? I don't think we're getting that much blame for it.
No, we aren't. Except the media.
Just taking those words and completely they have nothing else to talk about, so they're just taking those words and they said that Joe Burrow confirmed that the money was real using the quote when he said yeah. Very curious.
The question wasn't, was the money real? Very very curious that oftentimes no one and we don't actually care if people you know say our name when they use our interview we do the cease and desist as a joke like i don't care if colin coward gets our name right it's a fun back and forth i just want leroy to be credited one time it does it doesn't actually matter to us but it seems like the media is going above and beyond to credit us with this story the one story that could possibly be misconstrued as us being bad so that's bullshit i know what you're doing greenie i know what you're doing bro florio was the one that hurt yeah florio hurt yeah that was bad when he and he went out of his way to credit us big time on that yeah shit all right so florio right, so Florio's on my shit list too now. Fuck.
Okay, well, either way, we did nothing wrong except have a great time. Was hanging out with a buddy.
Yeah, having a great time. It's on TMZ.
I'll bet you he was a Bama fan, actually, at TMZ that wrote the initial article that got everything going. And Nick Saban probably gave Odell Beckham the money to hand out to the players as well.
So let's not let him off the hook for this. Plus, here's one other fact that was brought to my attention by a listener, Mike Martello.
So Joe said when we asked him how much money he was going to have in a couple months. Yeah.
Remember that? We said, man, you ever think about how rich you're going to be? Great question. His answer was probably a million times more than I have right now.
So he did the math on this. Kyler Murray made $32 million minus taxes or before that was before taxes.
So that would mean that Joe Burrow would have no more than $32 in his pocket at the time of the PMT interview.

Wow.

If he said he's going to have a million times more.

So, ipso facto.

And Odell was passing out alleged $100 bills.

So, that would lead one to believe that it was a fake Odell dollar bill

that Joe Burrow got, according to his own words.

New article you can run, Joe Burrow denies that it was fake money in the same interview.

So there you go.

We rest our case.

Also, Odell Beckham lost his mind.

So now he has a warrant out for his arrest.

He really made this about himself.

It was pretty crazy that he made it about himself this much.

And he interrupted Coach O's speech after the game.

Interrupted Coach O's speech.

Slapped a police officer in the ass.

Put a bunch of players in compromising situations with real or fake money we don't know odell beckham did a good job of making this national championship solely about odell beckham i the coach o interruption i didn't get as much of like an interruption vibe as a lot of other people did that just seemed like he was saying something and everybody in the room was like yeah like that seemed like it was the bounds of normal behavior. The rest of it, I just think he was fucked up.
Yeah. I think he was messed up in the locker room.
We all were. Having a good time like we all were.
We all were. Yeah.
Do you know this? Here's a fact, PFT, that I learned yesterday. Trevor Lawrence played like shit in the national championship game.
Yeah. I had no idea.
Overrated. 17 overthrows.
There you go. Did you know? Trevor Lawrence overrated.
I had no idea. It was crazy to learn that fact on Wednesday.
My big problem with Odell slapping the officer on the butt is he used one hand. And when we were kids growing up, we were taught to use two hands.
Really looked the ass into your hands. Pop the fence.
He's got no fundamentals. He's all about that one hand action.
And he didn't lick it first. No, he didn't.
So that was also very disrespectful. I'll take the fall for this one, too.
I'll take the fall for that one, too, because Odell saw the police officer. He was a short gentleman.
He probably thought it was me. Odell is a listener of the show.
He had a dunk. He heard me saying that I wanted to be slapped in New Orleans, and he was trying to do me a favor.
There you go. So thank you, Odell.
It was a good thing that you did in in theory it was just a case of mistaken identity sounds like we have uh gotten ourselves out of this one yep easily and people also said that's that yeah i saw some people saying but if it was fake money why were the players taking it well wouldn't you want as a novelty fake money from odell beckham that can be resold now that might be a violation i don't say they shouldn't resell it the fake money to resell fake money yeah as a novelty thing i think that's fine that's like the opposite that's double counterfeiting so okay so we're fine each other out yeah we're fine you know what we're fine we're fine i also like that lsu's initial explanation was no no he was just odell's just a counterfeiter yeah he's just as a he's he has millions counterfeit dollars that he's just passing out. Yeah, exactly.
And also, Clemson was passing out those $2 bills, which we learned is a thing. So everything was a little loose, fast and loose in New Orleans.
He can't really hold anyone accountable for that. I say we just, if you're the NCAA, this is a perfect opportunity to just move on.
Yeah. Just like, let them give the $300 back or whatever.
Yeah, worry about someone and just move on. LSU doesn't have problems with that in basketball either, so forget about it.
No, I have yet to hear anybody care about this issue from an actual, like, oh, man, this is bad standpoint. Wasn't that how It's Louisiana Who Cares started when the basketball coach was doing it? Yeah, so really, you're the narc if you care.
Yeah should care. You're the cop.
Yeah. I was saying earlier, the only people that could possibly care about this outside of the four people in Indianapolis whose job it is to only make sure how much money they make all year round at the NCAA would be somebody that has a burner account set up on an SEC message board just in case.
Right. Just in case their primary gets banned.
Right. So that's that.
We've moved on. Barstoolgold.com slash PMT, by the way.
You can see both of our interviews because they were in person. We have to move on to something else before we get to the preview.
The Astros. The Astros cheating thing has taken on an insane life of its own because now we have Alex Cora got fired.
Carlos Beltran down and on top of all that we now have Carlos Beltran's alleged niece tweeting that the Astros had buzzers under their jerseys and they have a clip where Altuve is running to home base and he's running he's after hitting a walk-off home run I think it was in the ALCS against Chapman and he's telling them do not rip off my jersey because I have a device underneath my jersey that buzzes me every time there's a fastball. Now he didn't say the last part but he did say do not rip off my jersey.
He was holding his jersey together like a very modest woman in a rainstorm and he was protecting it and he was saying, no, no, do not touch me, do not touch me. I think it's because they tore his jersey off the previous time, right? Yeah.
So he had to walk off, and they ripped his jersey off, so he was saying, don't do it this time. And allegedly it's because they had to buzz.
There's one solution to this problem. Make the players play nude.
And take away trash cans. I was going to say also.
Contribute to recycling. No trash cans in the clubhouse.
It's alleged that the Dodgers are going to get mixed up in this as well soon and that they were one of the teams. Okay.
So the other thing they should do is retroactively give the Cubs the 2017 World Series. So back-to-back, no big deal.
Are the Cubs a dynasty now? We lost to the Dodgers, and the Dodgers lost to the Astros. Cheaters, cheaters, cheaters.
Just doing the right thing.

I like that.

Another banner. Yeah.
Also, the Washington Nationals should get two trophies for this year for beating the cheaters. Yeah.
That's extra difficult that they did. The whole thing is crazy.
I mean, baseball, I love it because this is not uncharted territory for baseball. Baseball gets in a cheating controversy every 15 years that rocks baseball rocks baseball so greenies steroids pete rose uh i'm spitballs spitballs white socks the white socks there's all kinds of controversy so they'll be fine there's just they didn't let minorities play for a long time minorities play um they didn't let the cubs win a world series for a really long time.
There's a lot of things that baseball has done wrong.

What's his face's son in the clubhouse?

Oh, fuck. Adam Dunn?

Adam LaRoche.

Adam LaRoche, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, yes.

That's a huge controversy.

Drake LaRoche.

Drake LaRoche.

Drake LaRoche.

Drake LaRoche.

Chris Sale cutting up his jersey.

Yes.

At a protest of the collars.

There's a lot of things that have been done.

So it's time to ask.

Tom almost...

Who was it that almost got run over? Deion Sanders playing... Dusty Baker's son almost got run over.
That's right, yeah. In the World Series.
They had to scoop him out of the way. Deion Sanders playing two sports.
That was crazy. Lou was pissing on his hands.
Nuts. Can't do that.
Crazy scandals going on. Yeah, crazy, crazy scandals.
So is it time for Gary Bettman to resign? Sammy Sosa was framed and someone put cork in his bat and then bleached

his body. No, that's all.
Yeah, there's

all kinds of conversations. Someone dunked Sammy Sosa

in bleach.

No one's talking about that guy. It's bullshit.

There's just a bleacher running out there

scot-free. The

Rangers, like,

single A or whatever made each other jerk each other

off. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, we don't talk about that anymore.

That was a wild scandal.

No, just jerk me off. That was, yeah.

There's a lot of conversations. I like how that one

We'll be right back. single A or whatever, made each other jerk each other off.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, we don't talk about that anymore.
That was a wild scandal. Yeah.
No, just jerk me off. That was, yeah, there's a lot of countries.
I like how that one was branded as hazing. Yeah.
I just got a hand job for my teammate because he was hazing me. So I don't even know where baseball goes from here.
I feel like it's... Death penalty.
Lifetime baseball for the sport. Give lacrosse America's sport.
Give them all the stadiums. It should no longer be America's pastime the whole thing's so crazy though because now if they were wearing buzzers that's insane that's insane it is crazy so somebody called in to a radio show in Philly today I want to read this take because it is chef's kiss perfect they called in and said it was Mark and Reese the Mark and and Reese show in Philly, if we had stolen signs in World War II, we'd all be speaking Japanese.
So it does make you think. If America hadn't stolen signs.
Yes, if we hadn't stolen signs in World War II, we'd all be speaking Japanese. Sign stealing is the most American thing someone can do.
I think he, first of all, grossly overestimates Americans' capacity to learn foreign languages. Yes.
But secondly, that's just like I will take my hat off to that take. Yeah.
All day long. Making a lot of sense.
The Astros basically had little Enigma machines strapped to their body. We won the Cold War the same way.
Nothing more patriotic than that. Yeah.
You won the Cold War where you just had to, you know, spies everywhere. You need that shit.
So, yeah, baseball, I don't know where to go. People are just going to keep getting mad.
I like it because if you follow enough people on baseball Twitter, it's every hour a new video comes out where they're like, check this out. And it's like the fans of the teams that are getting fucked over are now looking for other teams to put the blame on them because they don't want to take responsibility.
This is actually a sneaky way for baseball to grow the game because I feel like in the last three weeks I have re-watched way too much baseball. This is the most social media friendly game of baseball.
Maybe that's why MLB didn't want their clips on social. It goes all the way up.
There we go. They're trying to hide everything, Hank.
Also Gary Sheffield Jr. is getting in on it.
Is he a player? He's saying that that account... Wait, does Gary Sheffield have a son? I'm sure he plays baseball.
He said... Is he a freak? Probably on the Blue Jays.
Like Vlad Jr., yeah. He's probably on the Blue Jays.
So he said that that account that was allegedly from Beltran's niece wasn't actually Beltran's niece, but rather it's a player. Oh.
Using that as a burner. So this is the most social media buzz that the game of baseball is.
They're executing the scandal perfectly to maximize clicks. And Jessica Mendoza went on Golik and Wingo and had the worst take ever.
That's right. There are so many tentacles to this.
She's really disappointed in Mike Fears for whistleblowing this whole thing. Like, what? Aren't you more mad that teams who are doing like doing crazy cheating that should probably be the story but either way people are mad at her so like steven a status yeah yeah so it was an interesting zag on everyone's like going one way like hey baseball this is kind of fucked up that everyone's cheating with buzzers under their jersey actually the real fucked up part is we is anyone ever snitched yeah people open their stupid lying mouths yeah actually you know what i'm we should probably defend jessica mendoza as an anti-snitching podcast that's true so you know what good take jess so jess would you know what if the scandal hadn't come to light major league baseball would have three great managers still managing their we've lost uh teachers of the game right we're trying to make baseball more accessible to a wider audience.
And to do that, we need the best product possible. So if you're able to get away with cheating, you should be allowed to do that no matter what.
Bring back steroids, too. Yeah.
Do it all. Steroids should be back.
Yeah. HGH at least.
Steroids won us World War II as well. Yes.
Because we copied, well, not steroids, but we copied the Germans' meth drug that they were handing out to the soldiers. Greenies, greenies.
Yeah. And so we gave our guys meth too.
And that's how we, so there you go. Yeah.
All right. Let's do some football talk.
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Okay, AFC Championship game.

Kansas City.

Back-to-back AFC Championship games.

Andy Reid, a game away from the Super Bowl. Andy Reid, a game away from Miami.

We're going to get Tommy Bahama, Andy Reid.

We're going to get Shorts, Andy Reid. But holy shit, the Titans and what they're doing are standing in the way.
I don't really know what to make of this game. So Andy Reid is what, one in five in championship games? Whatever.
Conference championships? Don't say that. Listen, Patrick Mahomes said earlier today that he wants to make Andy Reid happy more than he wants to make himself happy by winning this game.
Agreed. I like that.
Yes. In fact, that makes me happy for Patrick Mahomes because he cares more about making Andy Reid happy.
Right. That's how much I want Andy Reid to be happy.
And I'll put it this way. I want the Chiefs to win.
I'm rooting for the Chiefs. I'm betting on the Titans.
All right, I got a stat for you. Is that a good way to cover both my bases? Yeah, it is.
I got a stat for you. I have a stat.
If you were smart, you'd follow this stat. I'm not going to.
The under is 36-23-1 for Andy Reid at home with the Chiefs. It also is an under referee.
So the referee, I can't remember who's reffing this game. Cleep Blakeman.
Is an under referee, but I'm taking the over and I don't care. Because I actually, when you're looking at this game, I feel like both offenses match up perfectly with both defenses.
The Titans secondary will not be able to stop Kansas City. And Kansas City's run defense will not be able to stop Derrick Henry.
Give me the over. 53.
I don't care. I don't care.
I like that logic. The only thing is I think Mike Vrabel is going to do something weird with the defense but there's not that's the thing you can do weird stuff against you know like the Ravens you can stop the Ravens by putting eight men in the box and everything like you can't stop Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill and Mecole Hardman when they're all running routes down the field,

and you're like, holy shit, how do we guard all of these guys?

You know, the only way to do it, get pressure on Pat Mahomes with four guys.

Also play man-to-man coverage.

Warren Sharpe said that.

Yeah, just blitz him.

Just blitz him.

No, if you blitz him, you're fucked.

You're fucked.

Here's the trick to beating Pat Mahomes.

Sack him.

Sack him?

If you can tackle him before Patrick Mahomes can pass the ball,

he has a 0.0 quarterback.

Intercept him.

Yes.

Yeah, that's good.

Just get a lot of interceptions.

I also, this is going to be really stupid analysis,

but I think it matters.

The Chiefs in the Patriots game last year in the AFC Championship game

played at Arrowhead at night.

This one's going to be kicking off during the day.

I think that changes things.

Because you look at them and you're like oh i've seen this i've seen this movie before they've lost this game exactly this time last year under the lights in arrowhead now maybe it's gonna be a little bright out right a little different also the refs again it was very stupid analysis refs are going to be actively engaged in helping it to be a chiefs versus Packers Super Bowl so they can get that buzz of Super Bowl I repeated in year 100 for the NFL. So you're taking the Titans? I'm betting on the Titans against the spread, not straight up.
Seven and a half. Seven right now, actually.
Yeah, I'm betting on the Titans right now, but I'm rooting for the Chiefs. Okay, I'm going to take the over.
I don't care. Here's another stat if you want to bet on the Titans and you want to feel smart.
Underdogs in the playoffs, three and a half points or better since 2003, 43-28-1.

I knew that.

That's why I'm betting on it. So take those dogs.

Oh, sorry.

Underdogs that are not public underdogs.

So public money is on the Chiefs and the 49ers.

So that means you should probably take the underdogs.

Double dog.

Double dog's money line?

Double dog's.

You're going to money line them?

I'm going to money line double dog parlay.

No way.

I feel like it's the only way to end the season.

Put it in and tell us how much it pays.

$100 bet.

Okay, so the other game.

The Packers cannot win.

No, they cannot.

I don't think they will.

The 49ers defense is healthy.

Yes.

They kicked the shit out of the Packers the first time around. By the way, the Packers, did you see – what does it pay? 100 to 1, 800.
Whoa, that's pretty good. 8 to 1.
The Packers did a – on their social media, they did one play from each game, and it was hilarious because the Packers' losses have been bad losses. So it was one of the plays was them scoring a touchdown against the Chargers when they were down like 30-0.
And the other play against the 49ers was they were down 23-0 and they converted a fourth down. That was the one play they put in the one play highlight of the whole season.
What quarter was it in? It was the third quarter. Listen, here's the thing about this game, this matchup.
The Packers' defense cannot stop the 49ers' offense.

And the Packers' offense cannot stop the 49ers' defense.

I don't see a way that the Pack win this game.

I really don't.

No, you're fine.

Aaron Rodgers' revenge game.

I liked where you're going, but then you went too far.

No, what was it?

And I know what you're doing now.

What was it?

When you said, I don't see any way the Packers can win this game.

I should have done that.

Just by telling you that they—

That was too far.

When I implied they couldn't win this game, you were all—

Yes, I was with you.

But no, but—

Now you went too far, and now I know what you're doing.

Thank you. But no, but – Now you went too far, and now I know what you're doing.
The Packers are – I sniffed it out. They're not making – You don't have to worry.
I don't want it. You don't have to worry about being down in Miami and spending a week around Packers fans, putting their ownership certificates in your face, wearing the cheese set.
You're not going to have to deal with that. Have you – In of semi-football vacation down in Miami for the Super Bowl.
That would never happen to you. Have you factored in the fact that the 49ers passed up on Aaron Rodgers in the draft when he wanted to go there? Yes.
He talks about it all the time. I added that to my calculation.
I don't see that being a bad. I don't feel like Aaron Rodgers is the guy to carry a grudge.
Do you want a fun fact? If Aaron Rodgers wins this game, he will be 10-5 in the playoffs. One Super Bowl.
He'll have the exact same record as Joe Flacco. Oh, there we go.
So hopefully Aaron Rodgers can someday be as good as Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco, one of the best postseason quarterbacks of all time.
I'm just saying. That's the only thing you remember Joe Flacco for.
Everyone calls Aaron Rodgers the GOAT. He's 9-5.
No one calls him. They call him the BOAT.
You even say it big. I go, he's the best quarterback ever, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like, most talented or some shit. I mean, he is pretty talented.
He's probably going to win this game, and I'm going to hate myself. Also, I am.
He's going to give such a fucking cocky. Aaron Rodgers doesn't even have fun anymore.
He's not even happy. He needs to win this game to pay for the house.
No, he's going to do a post game. He's going to be like, yeah, I guess I'll go to Miami.
What's the Super Bowl bonus for Aaron Rodgers like? I'm sure he's got that incentive baked into his contest. Zero.
He probably needs that money. He can't make that mortgage payment without it.
Also, I don't want the Packers to win the Super Bowl because if they they do they do that thing where they sell more stock right after a super bowl win it dilutes my share yeah so i'm trying to i'm trying to safeguard my investment come on 49ers you got this i actually and then greg kittle's got like a little ankle i think you're safe he's gonna be okay he's full practice don't worry about it he's full practice. I need my boy.
I need my horse to ride. I really need him to ride to just fucking throw people out of the club.
Niners Chiefs. Great.
I would love that. That would be a fantastic Super Bowl.
Joe Montana, Elvis Gerback. Get all the big stars out.
Too much red, though. Alex.
The red is a little tough. No, don't do that.
Nope. Just saying.
saying, aesthetically. It would be aesthetically pleasing.
The grass is going to be green. It's fine.
It's fine. The 49ers are going to win.
The 49ers are going to win. The 49ers are going to win.
I think you're right. It's going to be fine.
And maybe we'll talk to some 49ers players. Because that's really what we're rooting for.
Because if the 49ers get there, we know people on the 49ers. Yeah, we haven't been to the Packers facility and interviewed their coach no that was a bit that people forget about that that was i don't think anyone forgets about that we had a lovely time up in lambo no no no i would like to go to lambo last last thing we should throw out there it's the little four blow ball i would actually say it is it is the boy dan snyder really fucked this up bull because it's two former former assistant coaches on the Redskins playing against each other.
Yikes. Yep.
Okay, let's get to our interviews. Let's start.
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Okay, let's do some interviews. Let's start with Barry Sanders, and then we will get Darius Leonard, a pro bowler from the Indianapolis Colts, right after him.
But here first is Barry Sanders. Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest, one of the greatest running backs of all time, maybe the greatest running back of all time, depending on who you pull.
It is Barry Sanders. Great to have you here.
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That's exactly right. Every time there's a score change.
So we wanted there to be a nice high-scoring game for Super Bowl. Yes.
You know, and so, yes. Every time there's a score change, $50,000, I believe at the end of the first half, they're going to give away half a million, and at the end of the game, they're going to give away half a million as well.
Damn, I like that. But I know to two separate individuals, they will give away half a million dollars as well.
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So it's great to have you on again.

Like I said, you were like one of our first maybe 10 guests at an autograph signing in Chicago for three minutes.

This one's be a little bit longer and we're a little bit bigger now and we're happy to have you on.

Where should we start? Should we with uh are you officially retired that's a serious question yeah he's not smiling over here i actually he's not smiling no okay so my dad has i swear to god for a decade after he retired he'd be like right around j, August, every year, he'd be like, you know who's out there?

Barry Sanders.

And he'd be like, I don't know.

And I still think that you could put up, what could you put up if you had to get out there

right now on a Sunday?

You have a great offensive line.

You got a great scheme.

How many yards are you putting?

I'm giving you 15 carries.

15 carries a game?

Yeah.

You know how many? Maybe I can put up, I don't know, 500, 600 yards, something like that for the season. Okay.
There we go. That's pretty good.
The thing is, like, you're not actually joking about that, and I'm not joking about laughing, because I believe that you could. Like, if you were in Kyle Shanahan's offense, if you played on the Niners, I think you could have 500 yards this season right now.
If I played on the Niners this season yes I appreciate that man yeah I appreciate that yeah at what point after you retired though like what age were you like ah maybe it's not like because I'm sure there was a couple years you're like I could still do it if I wanted to that's the great thing about retiring when I did you know I can I can always sort of play that game right even when like 90, you know, I can still sit there and say, you know, maybe I still have a little something left in those legs. Okay.
So at 50, I feel like I could run maybe a 4, 5, 4, 6, right? You know? This is good to know. Yeah, this is good to know because you're playing the same game that my dad's been playing for the last 20 years.
And like Barry Sanders still got something left in those legs. When was the last time you put the pads on? It was when I played.
That's it? Yeah, when I played. I feel like you put them on every now and then in the backyard.
You think I put them on at the house? Yeah, just watching the game. Maybe watching the game, put on the helmet and show the pads.
Just walking from the mirror, just looking at yourself like, I look like a football player. Yeah.
That's the one thing. When I look in the mirror, I do not look the same way I did when I was 25 years old.
Right. I look a lot different.
Far time. Yeah.
It happens, man. I mean, I feel like I'm decent for a 50-year-old guy.
51, actually. You look younger than both of us.
I'm decent. But, yeah, had you seen me, you guys weren't born back then, but had you seen me when I was 25, man, I'm telling you, you would be impressed.
Listen, we know Barry Sanders. We were like mid-90s.
We were about 10 years old. So we knew Barry Sanders.
Right, you heard the name. You heard the name.
You cut up the Bears all the time. You cut up everyone.
I try to. I try my best.
Yeah. Absolutely.
You have one of the best highlight reels of all time on YouTube. Do you ever watch old highlights and you're like damn that guy's good sometimes i do um you know people i don't like just go and google myself and watch him but just um having to see him espn's maybe doing something um for instance chris berman did his top 50 plays recently and i was thinking maybe maybe i'll come in at like number 20 or something like that um but I think I was like number five on his list of top 50 plays in NFL history and so that was like in the last few weeks and he showed you know the pastries run I had in 97 where I'm kind of spinning a guy around it may have been a Bears highlight I didn't have enough Bears highlights though that's one thing I regret I didn't have, I'm going to get to that later because I have some stats I'm going to read you.
I have a game we played with Jerry Rice when we had him on, so we'll do that later. But did you, there actually was a moment in the Ravens-Titans game where people were talking on Twitter because Derrick Henry turned Earl Thomas around and basically was pushing him in the back.
And it must be nice knowing that, like,

when you juke a defender so bad that he's actually turning around,

that's like Barry Sanders.

That's like a Barry Sanders thing.

That's a Barry Sanders highlight.

No, that's definitely a high compliment.

Yeah.

Like he got mossed or something like that sort of thing.

You got someone just turning around

not knowing where they are on a football field. Absolutely.
I mean, that's the thing that I live for as a running back. There was nothing I love greater than playing in the NFL and lining up seven yards deep, playing this game.
You never knew what was going to happen. And for me, I grew up watching great running backs.
You guys talked about Chicago. I mean, I was glued to the TV when Walter Payton played or Tony Dorsett or Marcus Allen or Earl Campbell.
The list goes on, you know. And so I loved – I mean, you know, hey, look, it's one of those games where sometimes you get humiliated and then sometimes you get to humiliate the other guy.
Right. You know, so.
Is it crazy, though, to look back, and I think one of the greatest, like, testaments to who you were as a football player is since you played, there hasn't been a guy who you're like, that looks like Barry Sanders. Even Saquon Barkley, people make that comparison, but it's not all the way there where the ability to juke guys out of their shoes to that level, like that's really the testament is that you are one of one kind of thing.
I guess, I mean, I'll take your word for it. You know, like I said before, man, I watched so many guys play and I feel feel like I borrowed here and there from different guys and maybe put my own little spin on it, so to speak.
No pun intended, but right. I've always wondered when it comes to an elite-level running back, and I think that you're a perfect example of this, you were always, you could tell watching you that you were thinking two steps ahead of the defense.

Like your reaction time was so much quicker than theirs. You would be able to get around them.
You knew where they were going to go. You knew how to get around them and all that stuff.
What is your internal monologue? Like what are you thinking? What does a running back think to themselves when they have the ball in their hands? well for me

it's really just trying to be focused

and trying to be able to react quick because, like I said before, you know, where I've said previous times, you know, being the smallest guy on the field but being, like, the biggest target, you understand that, okay, this is – you're playing against, you know, Mike Singletary or John Lynch or Ray Lewis or Lawrence Taylor or Ronnie Lott, and those guys mean business. And so for me, it was really just about being focused and really just keyed in to that specific thing, that particular play.
I would say my biggest fear playing the game was not playing well. You know, I mean, maybe sometimes, you know, I get a little bit of a flash of, okay, yeah, the game is dangerous or you can be injured.
But my biggest fear was just not being able to be great at running the football. You know, and so those are some of the things that I was thinking as I'm carrying the ball, as I'm practicing, as I'm, you know, running wind sprints, that kind of thing.
You know, being great, being excellent. You know, I never thought I'd be in the NFL, which a lot of people, if you saw me in high school or whatever, you would not have said, okay, there goes a future NFL player.
So when I got the opportunity to play, it was the greatest gift that I could ever imagine. So for me, it was just about cherishing it and making the most of it.
And like I said before, just being able to be in that setting against all those great players, for me, it was just absolutely phenomenal. And I just wanted to make the most of it.
That's interesting because Jerry Rice was saying when he had the ball in his hands, he was afraid. That's why he was fast, because he didn't want to get hit.
He was afraid of getting tackled sometimes. With you, you were just afraid of not being the best Barry that you could be.
Absolutely. Plus, I don't want to admit to being afraid of Mike Singletary and Lawrence Taylor.
Even to this day. I don't want to admit to that.
You can't let them have that even to this day. Hell no.
That's what Jerry was saying. He was like, he ran a 4-7-9 or whatever 40-yard dash at the combine.
But then when he played on the field and pads, he was much faster than that. Right.
Nobody was chasing him at the combine. Right.
What a beautiful player, you know, just a beautiful player. I mean, every game he was catching 50, 70-yard touchdown passes.
I had the pleasure of working out with him one summer, by the way. And that's exactly right.
If he and I lined up and ran a 40, I would probably finish first.

But you never saw him get caught from behind.

Right?

And the fastest guys on the field are the defensive backs,

the guys who are chasing him.

You know, but that's, you know, I mean,

he's such a great player in that aspect where he had serious football game speed.

Did he work out with his horse?

Yeah.

Pete the horse.

I didn't have a chance to.

He did.

That's how he got fast.

He chased the horse.

Yeah.

He's not going to be a good one. where he had serious football game speed.
Did he work out with his horse? Yeah, Pete the Horse.

I didn't have a chance to.

He did.

That's how he got fast.

He chased the horse.

Yeah.

He said it was the best horse in town, and when he caught it. So just growing up, he had a horse?

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, okay.

No, I caught him once he moved to the Bay Area, you know,

when he left Mississippi.

I don't know.

No more horses.

Did he have the horse?

I don't think so.

I don't think he had the horse out in the Bay Area.

Did you have any?

I can see him riding down the 101 on his horse, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Did you have anything like that, though, like growing up, smaller town?

The world is different now where it's training camps and all that stuff.

Did you have anything like an old-school workout that you used to do, chasing horses, catching bricks, whatever?

Absolutely, absolutely.

For me, it was a couple things.

I love it. that you used to do? Chasing horses, catching bricks, whatever? Absolutely.
Absolutely. For me, it was a couple of things.
I lived close to Wichita State University. So I would go up there and run around the track.
I would run the stadium stairs and hop the stadium stairs, which was, you want a good workout, try hopping. And sometimes we did one leg, but mostly just like a squat hop.
You go all the way down. And they had about 80, there's about 80 stadium steps.
And so we got to the point where we would do that, me and my brother. And then there was a couple of my buddies also had weight sets.
I didn't have a weight set. I'm one of 11.
That's the last thing my parents were going to spend money on was weights. But one of my close buddies had a weight set, you know, the concrete weights wrapped in plastic, you know, to start breaking apart.
After a while, you can hear the little concrete inside kind of breaking apart. That's probably before you guys' time.
But there were two of my buddies that had weight sets, and I would go over to their house and just, you know, pump iron. And after that, go run at Wichita State University.
The cool thing about it was I got a chance to see like some of the college players that I was familiar with, you know, sometimes. And sometimes even the weight coach at Wichita State would allow me to work out in the training room with with the college kids, which was a big deal.
Yeah, yeah, I was always – that was my routine, just working out and running. And when I wasn't doing that, I was playing basketball.
And when I wasn't doing that, I was working with my dad. My dad was like a roofer.
So I didn't catch bricks, but I spent a lot of summers on top of different roofs,

you know, doing shingles and things like that.

So, yeah, I mean, I think some of those things really gave me good focus

and good work ethic, you know, and I think really helped me in my path.

Can you still dunk?

Well, I mean, were we talking about a 10-foot goal? Yeah.

Oh, a 10-foot goal, you're saying? Yeah. I just want to make sure.

Yeah.

What, 12? Yeah, because the 8-foot.

Yeah, 12. Yeah, there you go.

I'm hoping they move the goal up higher.

Can you?

Not at the moment, no. I don't think I could

dunk on a 10-foot goal. I know you're disappointed.

I feel like you could. I'm sorry, man.

No, I feel like you could. What was the last time you tried? Had you called me maybe 10 years ago? Maybe.
When was the last time you tried, though? It's probably been 20 years since I tried. I feel like if we had a hoop right now and we gave you like an afternoon, you'd be like, all right, here we go.
That's not true. I have a 15-year-old son who plays basketball.
And so I go out and fool around with him a little bit. So yeah, I've tried to dunk more recent than that.
Or at least try to touch. Well, I'll put it like this.
I've tried to touch the rim. So if you can't touch the rim, then you probably can't dunk.
You can still touch the rim though, right? No, no, no. No, I can't.
I can't touch the rim. Come on.
Because if you touch the rim, you could say that you could dunk. What is that? That's where my mind would go.
Like, if you can touch the rim, I would just say I could dunk. If I could just barely graze the rim, then you could say, yeah, maybe on a good day I could dunk.
I could tell that you had tried recently to dunk because you said definitively that you couldn't. And I know just from talking to you for the last 15 minutes that you would have an unwavering belief in yourself that you still could dunk if you were unsure.
Like, if you hadn't tried it recently. Exactly.
So you've gone out there, you just sized up the basket, and you're like, no, not anymore. And then plus, you know, at this stage, you don't want to exert that much energy on those kind of activities.
That's why I don't dunk. Things pop, man.
Yeah, right. Things pop and break.
Same reason. Better to stay on the ground.
I never dunk just because I don't want to exert the energy. But once upon a time, absolutely, man.
Yeah. Absolutely, yeah.
There's video to prove it. Sorew luck retired this past off season kind of you know similar not you were similar age where it's like you're retiring your prime everyone was for the most part like hey that's a good move he wants to retire when you retired everyone's like what the fuck is barry thinking what do you did you look at that this this time around like man things have changed where guys can retire in their prime and people will be accepting of it.
Yeah, I mean, things really have changed. They've come full circle.
And I think a lot of that has to do with, you know, understanding more of the dangers of the game. And certainly, you know, for Andrew, missing a season or two that he had to, you know, sort of experience and what have you.
But, yeah, things in the last 20 years, it's a much different reaction, you know. And, yeah, because when I did it, man, it was crazy there for a while.
It was very – I mean, pretty much all the coverage was negative. I know I probably could have handled it different, just being more honest about it.
You waited until like the last day and you faxed in your retirement to Wichita newspaper, right? Right, right. Yes, yes, yes.
Something like that, yeah. A buddy of mine was a writer for that paper, and so that's kind of how that happened.
And weren't you doing the solid to the running back at the time? Who was it that you basically were like, who was the running back who took over for you when you retired? For the Lions? Yeah. I couldn't even tell you, man, honestly.
Okay, so maybe that story's wrong. I was reading a story.
It was like Barry Sanders is the nicest human being ever, and you essentially helped whoever was the running back at the time by retiring late enough in the preseason that they couldn't go find a replacement and gave him a full shot. So there's literally our story.
That was nice of me. Yeah, Barry Sanders is the nicest guy ever.
But I've heard on different twists, I've just heard people say that maybe because I didn't want to break Walter Payton's record, because at the time I think I was second on the list of all-time runners, and Walter was first. And I think he had just recently passed.
No, he hadn't passed yet. Yeah.
He hadn't passed yet, but he was very sick. Yeah, sick.
Yeah, he was very sick. But for me, honestly, it was just one of those things where I understood that it was time to leave.
I knew that just that drive and determination and that fire that burned for me to be a player. And I think also because of the ten great years that I had and sort of how my career turned out, I could walk away in that fashion, you know, under my own sort of influences and powers and that sort of thing.
And so, yeah, that's pretty much what it was. But it is interesting just to see how different things are now than back then.
That gets lost sometimes. You played for 10 years as a running back.
Now that's like an eternity. Yeah.
No one would ever say that you're walking away from the game early. It's true.
It's a good point. If you play for 10 years these days.
Yeah. Especially if it was on the Lions.
Like Calvin Johnson, when he retired, everyone was like, we understand. Yeah.
Makes sense. We get it.
Right. Right.
Right. Especially, you know, and also the way that game was played, you know, in the 90s.
I mean, it was a different game in a lot of ways. Just how physical it was, you know, and maybe even more violent.
And it was much more run oriented, you know. And so, yeah, I mean, to play 10 years, you know, that's like probably 20 or 30 years doing something else.
You want to do some Barry Sanders stats? Because this my theory, that we talked about it with Jerry Rice when he was on, that with the explosion of fantasy football in the last 15 years, guys are remembered differently in the last 15 years than they were in the previous 15 years because everyone's like, oh, I had him in my fantasy team. He won me a title that year.
So I have the idea of we need to get a random twitter account that just tweets out like this day in jerry rice or this day in barry sanders history he had this many points so i got a few games i want to i want to know if you remember first of all just to say it out loud the 1988 season for oklahoma state you had 2850 yards 42 touchdowns In 12 games. Were you just in the zone for the entire season? Oh, wow.
No.

Hey, look. Oh, come on.
What's your question? Was I? Yes, I was in the zone. Yeah, you were in the zone.
The whole entire season. Yes, yes.
The entire season. Plus I had, you know, fifth-year senior offensive lineman.
Mike Gundy as a quarterback. Mike Gundy.
Yes. A gentleman, the guy on that team coming into that year, because no one would have really known who I was, but the guy who we knew was going to be a first rounder was a guy named Hartley Dykes, my receiver.
Just a great team, man, great team. And it was just one of those amazing, magical years from the kickoff, from the starting kickoff of that season, right, which I was still playing special teams when I ran back 100 yards, you know,

and it just got better from there.

They should wear those jerseys more often, by the way.

You think so?

Yes.

Those are unbelievable.

Those Oklahoma State.

All right, so Barry Sanders this week in fantasy.

Week 13, 1991 against the Vikings.

Do you remember your stat line?

Do you remember anything about that game? What year? Week 13, 1991 against the Vikings. Do you remember your stat line? Do you remember anything about that game? What year? Week 13, 1991.
Oh, yeah. I remember it was a really good game.
In Minnesota. Yes, 220 yards, four touchdowns on 23 carries.
That was probably one of the few games ever that I played where it felt almost easy.

Interesting. Because it never felt easy.

It always felt like I was working or grinding.

But that game, it felt like they never even saw me coming.

And it was the week after one of our players had one of my teammates had been injured very seriously.

Mike Utley had a serious neck injury.

And that following week, we go to the Metrodome.

And, of course, Mike was paralyzed at home against the Rams. But it was just one of those eye-opening experiences.
But anyway, the Minnesota game followed that. And yes, it was one of the easiest games I've ever played in.
Seemed easy. 220 yards, what? 23 carries? 23 carries, 220 yards, four touchdowns.
Yeah, in the zone. That's a lot of points.
Week 6, 1995 against Cleveland. Do you remember that game? Not really.
You had 18 rushes, 157 yards, so that's 8.7 yards per carry and three touchdowns. Decent game.
In the zone? You're asking me? Yeah. Yes, yeah, I was in I wasn't yeah I mean some of these games are like

especially in that era of football when offense wasn't like it is now you had week seven against

Tampa in 97 you had 215 yards and two touchdowns if someone had you on their fantasy team that week

they'd be like Barry Sanders is the greatest of all time so that's what we need to do is just

retroactively get back and get those fantasy stats for you. I do run into guys who they say, well, you definitely won me a lot of money or you lost me a lot of money.
Got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I do hear that occasionally. But no, I think what you're saying, I'm down with that.
Yeah, let's do it. Did it ever feel easy to you when you were in college? And I think you had a couple games where you had, what, 300 yards rushing, something like that, 302 yards, 305, something like that.
It was your senior season at Oklahoma State. It didn't feel – it didn't really feel easy.
I mean, I was – I mean, that was my junior year. That was my first year starting.
I was trying to prove myself.

You know, to me, the greatest thing in the world was being a starting running back in the Big 8 Conference.

You know, I had grown up watching Big 8 football.

Now it's obviously the Big 12.

But I had grown up watching Big 8 football.

And I wasn't heavily recruited.

But I do remember just having that thought in high school that, man, it'd be nice to go to college and play college football. And so fast forward to sitting behind Thurman for two years, and to me, again, those were great years for me because not heavily recruited to, okay, now I'm here.
I'm at Oklahoma State, right? I'm in the Big Eight.

I played a little bit as a freshman.

I made All-American as a kick returner, as a junior.

And so I feel like I'm just almost really living my dream.

Right. And then my junior year happens, and I was, hey, I was as surprised as anyone.

Right.

I was as surprised as anyone. Were you surprised at how heavy the Heisman Trophy was? The thing was, sucker's heavy, man.
It's really heavy. I was surprised, yes.
Yeah. I was surprised, absolutely.
It must be, like, made of, you know, gold or something like that. It's crazy.
But, no, it is, yeah. It is.
All right, last question. We're with Barry Sanders, Hall of Famer, RocketMortgageSquares.com.
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So thank you for spending time with us. My last question.
I don't know if you do this intentionally, but I always wondered this. You're not a big smiler.
really like smiling in pictures no is that no you're right you're right yeah i like i'm a tough guy man i like it no i'm a tough guy because it would be like everyone would be smiling and barry's just sitting there like and i spending 20 minutes here with you you obviously do like to laugh and smile but for some reason the pictures always crack me up because it's like smile smile smile barry gonna steal your soul smile smile smile i have to do better with that you're right no no no no keep doing that yeah it's like you act like you've had your picture taken before right right right back to the referee yes yeah it's kind of like those photos from like the 1900s you know like no one's smiling you know it it's just like serious. It's like they hadn't even invented smiling yet.
Well, yeah, yeah. People are like 17 and they're in their old age and they're about to die.
Life really sucks. They're thinking about what's to come.
Yeah, I'm 17 years old and I've been working in a mill for the last 16 years. Or in a farmer.
Yeah, right, right. You do have a great laugh, so I feel like comedians should just pay you to go to their shows and send a front row.
That might be the nicest thing you said all day, man. There we go.
I appreciate that, man. It is a great laugh.
That's a great laugh. That's a fucking great laugh.
Appreciate it, man. We're going to use your laugh as the laugh track to our show so that people think that we're funnier than we are.
No, feel free, man. Okay.
Feel free. Perfect.
All right, well, thank you, Barry. Appreciate it so much.
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Great.

Absolutely.

We're going to get right back to part of my take. Now, Darius Leonard.
And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.
It is Indianapolis Colts linebacker, pro bowler, Darius Leonard. Thank you for coming by.
Thanks for having me. Appreciate it.
We have to start because I see you're wearing a Clemson hat. Now, we're sitting here in New Orleans.
We're getting ready for the national championship. Your brother went to Clemson, but you didn't get recruited by Clemson.
And I thought that was like a piece, a little chip on your shoulder that you've used to drive you to be great in the NFL. But now you're rooting for Clemson? Well, like you said, my brother went to Clemson.
Grew up watching Clemson. Clemson did recruit me.
It was partially my fault because it came after my very last test score to qualify and it came two weeks after signing day. They said they had no more scholarships left.
So, you know, I went to South Carolina State, played there, still was a Clemson fan. I mean, that was homegrown.
So I still have the love for Clemson. And I'll stitch it.
Okay. That's a fair answer.
A fan of the state. Yeah.
You strike me as, in reading everything about you, you strike me as there's kind of been an underdog story to your career and people doubting you. And I thought maybe you were, like, holding on to pull up you know every day that you didn't you didn't go to Clemson I'm just gonna make me stronger and stronger but you're being you're being a nice brother and being like I'll root for Clemson today um yeah I mean I did use that as a chip on my shoulder not being able to play and uh play with Clemson um but you know um you know just growing up being being in Clemson I mean I I started rooting for them since I was maybe seven, eight years old.
So, I mean, that's all I knew. I mean, it was love Clemson, hate South Carolina.
And that's what, I mean, I still to this day is the same exact thing. And, you know, cheering for Clemson and just cheering for South Carolina State, I guess.
So, if University of South Carolina was in the national championship, that's a funny thing to imagine, Will Muschamp coaching in a recording game. You don't have to worry about that.
But just like in a bizarro world, if he was here right now, you would not be rooting. You would be rooting against whoever there.
Or you were rooting against South Carolina. Yeah, without a doubt.
Okay. I like that chain, by the way.
Appreciate it. I like both of those chains.
What does it say? It says, fam. We're on 53.
The other one is first-round management.. First Round Management? Yes, sir.
What is that? It's my agent agency. So, you know, it's a gift from them.
Oh, it's a gift? That's kind of bullshit, though. They put their own name on the gift.
We actually get, like, similar things where it's just like, I think I got a mug and a tote bag. Kind of like the chain.
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's cool. I mean, they have something nice, but then, you know, they got to support their brand.
They got to advertise. Yeah, you should say that.
You should get money for advertising. That do sound good.
Now, if you join our agency. Yeah, the PMT agency.
We're going to give you a free PMT tattoo on your forehead. Right, right we'll make sure that you get compensated for everything including free publicity for your agency will you take our offer i don't think about it okay that's not enough that was not enough yeah that was officially not enough to be fair though it is a nice chain i would i would probably wear yeah if somebody gave me that chain, even if I had no idea what FRM.
If someone gave me a chain, it's like Big Cat sucks. And if it looked like that, I'd wear it every day.
Absolutely. I don't care.
Absolutely. You were in the NFL's top 100 list this year.
Did you pay attention to that when I was coming out? Were you watching to make sure that you were going to be on that list? Of course. Playing a game, you want to be the best.
Being in the top 100, that's something that you want to check off on your list. Just being a professional football player.
I'm a competitor. I wanted to compete, so I definitely wanted to make that list.
Do you still have the headline, the Bleacher Report headline on your phone? I do. Can I see it? Yeah, I got you.
For people people who don't know, this is why I thought you were a chip on a shoulder guy because this is the ultimate chip on a shoulder move. Bleacher Report, after Darius Leonard was drafted, had a headline that said, Darius Leonard worst pick in the draft.
Oh, wow. And he keeps it as a photo in his phone so that you can pull it up every now and then and be like, yeah, remember these idiots? I actually, I'm pretty sure that i said it was a fantastic pick at the time um because i'm a noted draft nick for the indianapolis cults yeah we do uh six round mock drafts every year i had we actually had you going yeah we had you going in the first round to indy yeah so you have this so you pull it up like every now and then just look at it yeah i do um they also had when russell wilson got drafted they gave that an f yeah that's tough wasted a third round pick on russell wilson yeah they need to lose their credibility i don't know who's taking over there gone we've just snatched the pro bowl that's credibility gone so you still use that kind of stuff to motivate you even though you're already i mean you're a pro bowler you made top 100 all that stuff has All that stuff has happened.
How do you stay, like, you know, motivated with this? You know, I love seeing negative comments. So, I mean, I do plenty of times.
I go to Twitter. I type in my name, and I just see, like, all the negative things that people say.
I like them, you know, and just use that as motivation because, I mean, with success, you know, that sometimes you can be complacent. So, if someone's still talking trash or saying you can't do something, I just kind of use that as motivation as well.
We got to start typing in his name. Yeah, Darius Leonard, absolutely.
Yeah, just having you search us after games. Do you have – oh, there it is.
So he's got an answer for negative things. Please report, Darius Leonard to Colts, one of draft's worst picks.
Kevin Hickey, April 30, 2018. What an idiot.
Bad take. What an idiot.
Awful take. I love it.
I love that. So you actually – I want to take a picture of you actually you go you name search yourself after every game i do just to see what people are saying yep and if it's too much positive stuff do you get a little bit upset because you're like hey there's no uh there's no motivational fuel for me here um no i mean there's like after each game and you know especially after a loss you, you know, that's when the fans get the point.

And so, you know, you definitely go there and see what's being said.

So, I mean, I use all of that to say, okay, well, I need to go do this right here

or I'm going to go prove this guy wrong.

Like I had some guys say that I was batting coverage this year,

that I wasn't a good run stopper.

But I was like, that's pretty crazy with over 100 tackles. Yeah, do you name search for misspellings of your name too? Because usually the dumbest stuff is written by people that won't be able to spell your name right.
Yeah. That is a true statement, but I never did that.
One time I said Le'Veon Bell, more like Le'Veon Smell, and he found it and he liked it. He searched for an alternate spelling of his own name.
So he does like four different combinations ofon smell and he found it and he liked it he searched for an alternate spelling of his own name so he does like four different combinations of letters and he just gets all his motivation from Twitter that way yeah that's that's pretty dope I definitely do something well I just type my name in and try to see all all the bad comments that I can take and use use as fuel so would that be frustrating like in practice I know that you know when you played uh with Andrew Luck he's famous for complimenting guys after they hit him. Have you – obviously you weren't allowed to sack Andrew in practice.
He had a big red jersey on or whatever. But did you ever make a play against him and then he gave you a big compliment? You're like, man, I wish he would be meaner.
No, well, my first time actually practicing in India, I picked him off and he just came up to me and said, hey, great play.

And, you know, it was pretty weird because, I mean, you know,

I was a rookie, and, you know, it was his first time being back on the field.

So it was definitely kind of weird kind of getting that compliment from him.

All right, I got one.

Oh, Darius Lennard.

So no O in there.

Oh, Darius Lennard want to howl?

I liked him, but now he's a bitch. Simple.
Oh. Should I retweet it? You've got to search all these, dude.
You're not doing your job. That is funny.
That was after the Dallas game. Yeah, probably.
I got so many Dallas fans after that game. Oh, because you howled.
Yeah. So, yeah.
It was definitely after that game, and they didn't like that. Oh, yeah, you did the Leighton Vander Esch, the Wolfman Howl.
I got to say, man, you have a lot more fans than you do haters. It's hard.
You got a lot of people who love you saying you're a beast and all this stuff. So, I don't know.
I think you're doing okay. Like, there's not a lot of people who are hating you out here.
I mean, that one comment, though, was pretty bad.

Yeah, that was tough.

That's worth 10 positive comments because the hard B.

And then he dropped simple at the end.

Instead of saying just, like, period, he said, bitch, simple.

Simple.

Like, it's over.

It's a wrap.

It's just facts.

You dropped the mic on Twitter.

It's facts.

Oh, my God.

That's funny.

That's funny. All right, so we got to start searching everyone else's.
We got to search misspellings as well. What's your burner account's name? I'm going to follow it right now.
I don't have a burner account. I don't.
Come on. I don't.
I mean, you look and then you. No, I don't.
I just. I was only.
I probably respond maybe one time to someone.

I usually never know.

I just like them and keep it going.

But then, okay, so this tweet that I found, the Darius Leonard,

I have a reply here, and it's from at Clemson shouldn't have passed on me,

one, two, three, and it says, Darius is a beast.

Shut your mouth.

That's not you?

No, that's definitely not me. Interesting.
Interesting. No, I just made that up.
How did you get the nickname Maniac? It was after the Clemson game my junior year in college. Ended with 19 tackles.
Came back on campus and they were like, hey man, he played like a straight maniac and kind of just went with it and ran with it. 19 tackles against Clemson? That's too many tackles.
At some point, aren't you like, this hurts me too? No, you don't feel it until maybe the next day. So, at that moment, you just, you know, you want to rack up on everything you can.
Did I see you wearing a full, like, shoulder pads and helmet this year watching the game on your couch? I had a helmet on. I didn't have the shoulder pads.
Oh, you weren't wearing your shoulder pads? Okay. What was the thought process behind putting on the helmet? I was in concussion protocol, and I couldn't go to the stadium.
And, you know, it sucked kind of just being at home away from the guys. And, you know, I just wanted to do something to kind of uplift my spirit a little bit.
So I threw the helmet on, threw the jersey on, and I like I was there. Plus, it's extra safe for your head if you're wearing a helmet.
Yeah, because I had a concussion. So it was like my safety gear.
Yeah. Do you like the dome open or closed? Closed.
Okay. Do you have alerts set up for when Jim Irsay tweets the roof will be open on Thursdays? He only – he don't tell us until Sunday.
So we already there. So we really don't know.
So usually when it get cold, that's when like everybody come in and the first thing we say, hey, is the roof open? They'd be like, well, he didn't announce it yet. So we just be waiting for it.
That's his favorite part of the job, I think, is getting to announce what the roof is going to be doing on Sunday. Yeah, I mean, I just hope it stays closed forever.
Yeah. Yeah.
But wait, that makes you guys soft, don't you think? No. What are you talking about? You got to play outdoors in the winter? He did not like the S word.
I mean, we, I mean, if you got a dome, why not just play in your dome? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I guess that. All right, that's a good counterpoint.
I mean, the point is to have a dome if you're not going to like, no, keep it closed. That's a fair counterpoint.
I understand that. I saw when Big Cat said the word soft to you.
You actually had a reaction. You don't like hearing that word.
Darius Lennard is soft. Simple.
I didn't mean when I said you're soft. I didn't mean that.
I just want to have that out there. 19 tackles, that's a maniac thing.
What was the score in that game? A lot, too. But still, 19 tackles.
You guys aren't expected to beat Clemson. That's true.
Was that Deshaun? No. Yeah, that was Deshaun year.
That was the year they won the second national championship. Damn.
19 tackles against that team. That's crazy.
They had some good running backs on that team, too.

Yeah, they did.

They had Wayne Gallman.

Who's the hardest player in the NFL to tackle?

Hardest player in the NFL to tackle?

From the running back position, I'd say Zeke.

He runs behind his pad as well, so I give it to Zeke.

And he also wears that mid-drift shirt so you don't want to touch his stomach. It's kind of weird.
He's basically playing naked. So you don't want to wrap him up.
I understand that. Yeah, it makes sense.
What about Derek Henry? So let's play a game. It's how to solve Derek Henry because he's big and he's fast and no one knows how to tackle him.
How would you tackle him? Oh, man. Well, you got to game tackle him.
It's very rare to see one person tackle Derek Henry I mean he's I say he's a DN playing running back yeah he's a monster he he's fast strong you got a nasty stiff arm so you can't go in there lacking so I mean it's just hard I mean you better hold on you better hit him first and wait for your other teammates to get there because you're not about to do it yourself Will Muschamp it won't surprise you hear this Will Muschamp recruited him but only wanted to play on. You better hit him first and wait for your other teammates to get there because you're not about to do it yourself.
Will Muschamp,

it won't surprise you to hear this, Will Muschamp

recruited him but only wanted to play linebacker.

He said, you're just going to,

I don't think that you can be a successful running

back in college, is what Will Muschamp said.

Talking about the coach for Sacre-Lonard?

Yeah, that's the one. Exactly.

You're not surprised.

What was the locker room like after

Andrew Luck came? Because that was weird how

it all went down because it

leaked while you guys were actually playing

I appreciate it. You're not surprised.
Yeah. What was the locker room like after Andrew Luck came? Because that was weird how it all went down because it leaked while you guys were actually playing the preseason game against the Bears.
And then he does the press conference. Did you guys have any idea that was coming? No.
We was standing on the sideline, and then we had a fan. I mean, just was screaming behind us, Andrew, don't leave.
Andrew, we love you. Then we had somebody cuss him out.
So then everybody was like, what's going on? What, did you get traded or something? What's going on? And they were like, Andrew retired. So we were like, there's no way he retired.
And, you know, just talking amongst the sideline. Then we found out it was true.
And then kind of went to the locker room, kind of went from there. Damn, that's wild.
It's also one of those stories that's crazy now because it feels like we're at the end of the season, and it feels like 10 years ago that that happened. I don't know if it feels like that for the Colts locker room.
It seems like you guys moved on pretty quickly. Yeah, we respect his decision, just seeing all the things he's been through and all the stuff he's done for the Colts.
And when he said he was done, I mean, you know, tipped my hat to him, and he had a great run, and we felt like Jacoby stepped in. We trusted Jacoby, came in and did everything he had to do.
So we just stood behind him and went from there. Yeah.
He played pretty well this year too. I know he was dealing with some injuries and stuff as the season went on, but I actually think that Jacoby Brissett can be a pretty good, like a top 15 started quarterback when he's healthy.
And I think you guys were like on the right track to get to the playoffs. So, um, but at some point, I forget what was, um, you went on like a little losing streak in the middle of the season.
Yeah, we did. That was terrible.
What was the game that kicked that all off? Was it Pittsburgh?

No, after we lost to Houston.

That's right, yeah.

We lost to Houston, and then it kind of went from there.

It snowballed.

So how do you do that?

I know you've only been in the league a short time,

but in your experience, if things start to snowball

and one bad thing stacks on another,

what's the best way to stop that, to regain the locker room? Is it like a players-only meeting? We're big fans of the players-only meeting. Yeah, close the doors.
I mean, yeah, of course we had a players-only meeting, but, you know, that only goes so far. I mean, you definitely got to go out and see what's going wrong.
And, you know, you can't go out and just try to fix everything at once. You got to figure out step-by-step where we're going to get better at

and kind of go from there.

All right, so my last question, we're with Darius Leonard, pro bowler,

Indianapolis Colts.

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You versus Quentin Nelson, who wins in a fight?

In a fight?

Yeah.

Well, me.

Yes.

Yeah, he's a lot bigger than you. Well, actually, no, he's not that much bigger than you.

He's like 320.

Yeah, he's a lot bigger than you.

But that's the maniac in you.

I love it.

I love it.

You've heard him saying it's not the size of a dog that's in the fight,

but the size of the fight that's in the dog.

Yes, there it is.

There it is.

And you're also a big dog, too.

Put this on the way.

You want to fight Quentin Nelson.

Oh, I didn't say that.

I didn't say that. Yeah.
Oh, man. All right.
Well, thanks, dude. This was awesome.
Appreciate it. We're going to start searching the mentions for you.
We'll bring those to life. Only the misspellings, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. We'll let you handle your regular name.
We'll handle all the alternates. Yes.
All right, cool. Just make sure you get them to me so I can see them.
Oh, we'll get them for you. We got your back now.
Yes, sir. I appreciate it.
It's part of our service. It only costs you $20,000 a year.
And we will search and get them for you. And I've got the appointment scheduled for your tattoo next week.
And you have the appointment to drop off the cash tomorrow. Okay, I'll be here tomorrow.
All right, okay, perfect. All right, thanks.
There he is later. No problem.
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All right, back to part of my take.

Yes, alright, let's do some segments.

Also, one thing that Hank and I observed when we were staying

in New Orleans for a few hours after

you left out, and

Hank actually made like $400 at the casino.

I know. Just to bring your chips back.

You want to give me my money? Oh, shit.

Sorry, Hank. I don't have my wallet on me right now.

Yeah, the Harrah's in

New Orleans has a really

bad cash outline. I just snitched on Hank.
Well, he has an anti-snitching podcast, but we have a really... I actually would have forgotten forever.
I would have given it to you. Yeah, but a terrible cash outline, so I just walked out on Sunday night with my money, with my chips, and then, of course, right as I'm about to get on the plane, I'm like, oh, well, this sucks.
Yeah. So we go back there.
So you gave me you had 700 in chips and you said I'll give you 200 if you cash this took the 200 put it all in black hit it first time ever that's ever happened to me. That was huge.
Are you going to now give me the 700? No. Wow.
No he used that Well I mean but you won with my money and then you're. Are you about to tell the blackjack story? Yeah then we sat down at the blackjack table This was unbelievable.
I was waiting for Hank because Hank had forgotten his ID to bring to the casino. So while I was waiting for him there as he was taking Uber back to the hotel, I was playing blackjack.
I proceeded to lose $200 immediately. So, Hank, you owe me $200.
And then Hank got back to the casino, sat down next to me at the blackjack table, gave me $200. $50? No, I gave you $50.
Oh, yeah. Sorry.
You gave me $50. I ended up with $200.
Hank, how much? Did you triple your money? Yeah. I mean, I walked in with $0, walked out with like $400.
Yeah, so it's pretty good. Hell, yeah.
I had five hands going at one time because I split eights five different ways. Hell, yeah.
It was amazing. There you go, boys.
One thing we noticed walking around New Orleans the day after the game, there are a ton of awesome spin zones going on by Clemson fans walking around town. They were all wearing their 2018 national championship.
They beat Duke that night. That sucks for Duke.
College basketball is a shit show. It is a shit show this year.
It's incredible. It was so strong though, just wearing really nice golf shirts that have Clemson vs.
Alabama on them. It's like, we get where you're going.
It's a good show this year. It's incredible.
It was so strong, though, just wearing really nice golf shirts that have Clemson versus Alabama on them. Right.
It's like we get where you're going. It's good.
We understand what you're doing here. All right, Fyre Fest.
Hank, why don't you start? I don't really have a Fyre Fest. My Fyre Fest was Tuesday night, Wednesday night.
We talked about it on the show on Wednesday, though, just traveling and then having to finish that video on no sleep and just super hungover. That was miserable miserable but now that i'm back in new york city i'm back with you guys i got some sleep i feel like i'm on top of the world i feel happy so there's no fire fest uh this week for me oh wow well yeah my fire fest of the week is i'm still hungover yeah so i am my fire fest is essentially i'm 35 whoa dude don't do that to us i'm saying my liver don't do that right now Don't do that to us.
It's a hangover that has now lasted three days. I'm just starting now to feel like a normal person.
So I feel like I might do dry January until we get to Miami. It's like a week and a half from dry January.
I did the thing where I had so much fun on Sunday and Monday night. I was like, man, I need to just start going out more.
That was fun. I forgot how much fun it was.
And then Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday hit, and I was like, oh, yeah. Fuck that.
Yep. Never doing that again.
I was getting the sweats. I was panicking inside.
I was just so anxious the entire time. There's no more of a I'm never drinking again moment than waking up on Wednesday

and finding yourself in

an NCAA investigation

and being on a football field having to

kick field goals.

These are bad places that I've gotten myself

into. So I'm never drinking

again until we get to Miami for the Super Bowl.

Yeah, it was a good time

though. Alright, my FireFest is

I have two of them actually. One is Hank.
Do you remember this? You probably do too, PFT. You were a couple sections away from us.
On Monday night, there was an SEC chant and I didn't fucking get video. After LSU won, there wasn't...
Do you remember that, Hank? Nope. Oh, fuck.
There was an SEC chant. They were chanting SEC, SEC.
It's pretty much everything I've been saying forever, and I didn't capture it.

They were probably just calling the Security Exchange Commission on Odell Beckham for handing out illegal cash.

Chatted going.

All right, my other fire fest is I'm chasing another high.

I'm chasing a big-time high.

I was at the airport, and a Secret Service member came up to me and was like,

Hey, Big Cat, huge fan, listen all the time to the podcast.

Can I get a picture? I was like, yeah, yeah for sure he handed me this pin this liam was there he handed me a pin that was like a special secret service pin and so i took it and i was like this is awesome you're being monitored hold on i then was sitting down and i struck up a conversation with the with the clemson fan and his young son like maybe years old, and I felt kind of bad. So as I was leaving, I was like, hey, kid, Secret Service, hand him the pen.
And he looked at me like, holy shit, this guy's such a badass. That was your mean Joe Green moment? So I'm now, yeah.
And you throw the pen at the kid, it sticks in his eye? I'm chasing the high of having little kids think I'm a Secret Service member. Well, what you actually did was you put that child under surveillance because that that secret service member was definitely trying to get some intel on you shout out the guy though if he if he's listening to this right now i'm sorry but i had to it was a moment that i could not pass up having a little kid think that i'm a secret service member yeah and being like look at this so you stole valor from the secret well is it stolen valor if he gave it to me well if the kid was under the impression that you were indeed from the Secret Service.
Yeah, well, is it stolen Valor if he gave it to me?

Well, if the kid was under the impression that you were indeed in the Secret Service.

I didn't say one thing or another.

I said, hey, kid, have this pin.

It's up to the kid what he thinks about you.

Right.

I didn't say, hey, man, just got back from, you know,

just walking the president around at the Superdome,

wanted you to have this pin.

No, I said, hey, kid, have this pin.

Just know that the NSA now has eyes on that kid. And I think I heard him whisper as I was walking around.
He's like, daddy, there goes that hero. And I walked back and I winked.
And that was kind of creepy. You know who the real heroes are? Your father and the police and paramedics, first responders, and teachers.
Second responders, Marlon's man. You know the drill.
We haven't talked about that, by the way. Marlon's man is definitely going to play a big part of Super Bowl week I don't want him to but he's going to you think he's going to be around you know what we should do he's going to treat it like it is he's probably he's hosting Super Bowl yeah he is hosting Super Bowl we should we should go see the cats god damn it Hank why did you say that the cats are incredible should definitely go see the cats.
We should also flood the street with Marlins men. Just like bring a shitload of orange jerseys and visors to hand out.
Hank, you got them walking all around. We got to go see the cats.
We have to go see the cats. God damn it.
Those cats are so fucking big. All right.
Next up, we have this league. Our guy, Brooks Koepka, just dunking on Bryson DeChambeau because Bryson DeChambeau said that Brooks doesn't have a six-pack or isn't, like, ripped.
He's like, I have a six-pack. And Brooks then tweeted a picture saying, yeah, I have two, was it four shy of a six-pack and it was just two huge trophies? Two cups shy of a six-pack and it was just four majors, wasn't it? No.
Oh, it was just four majors. Yeah, it was two big trophies, and then the other two were majors as well.
So, fuck you, Bryson DeChambeau. Yeah, fuck you, Bryson DeChambeau.
Well, yeah, I thought it was. I got confused.
They carry the same energy. They're both anti-Brooks guys.
Yeah, shout out Brooks Koepka, who's a friend of the program, for keeping it very easy for us to know who your enemies are and who we need to dunk on. They all have a lot of C's, H's, B's.
De Chamblots. M's.
Somewhere around there. If I see a De Chambla, I'm fucking dunking on him.
They've got all the worst consonants in their name. Yeah.
Brooks keeps it simple. Brooks.
Yeah. Maybe he has a phobia.
Maybe that's an unknown phobia. He just starts fights with people whose names sound vaguely French.
Yeah, sham. I'm not opposed to that.
Easy opponents. Either way, Brooks won that one fair and square easily.
You can't chirp Brooks about his body if he dominates you in golf, idiot. Count the rings, bitch.
Yeah. Do you get a ring in golf? You should.
We should make him some. We should make him some.
Yeah, make him rings for everyone. Next time Brooks comes on, let's have four rings ready to go.
You could just take a picture with one finger through each strap of the trophies. Hold them up.
You ever seen a waitress during Oktoberfest carry 20 beers on each hand? Yep. He could probably have all four trophies on one hand, just take one selfie.
Also, Brooks is looking pretty jacked because he just had knee surgery. Right.
He's ready to go.

Well, also, who cares if he doesn't have a six-pack on his abs?

He's a bulk guy.

It's a try-hard move.

Yeah, it's a try-hard move.

You have to diet for that?

He could if he wanted to.

You just didn't want to.

You have to stop eating protein sometimes

because you're trying to cut weight.

Brooks is trying to add mass.

Right, and if he does that,

then we got the other fucking asshole,

DeChambley Trambless,

and he's like, Brooks is too skinny.

So you decide, guys.

Brooks can't win.

Well, he can win.

I'm sorry. Then we got the other fucking asshole, Shambly Trambless.
Right. And he's like, Brooks is too skinny.
So you decide, guys. Brooks can't win.
Well, he can win. He wins four times.
How dare you body shame? Yeah. So how is this any different than Jillian Michaels or whoever it was telling Lizzo that one day you're going to get diabetes, making fun of Brooks' stomach? Yeah, that's absolutely true.
It's really just sad that we live in this day and age. I think Brooks' body's great, whether he's got a six-pack or a 12-pack or a zero-pack.
You know what I like? I like Brooks' personality and his brain. And his golf game.
And his shoes. Four times a year.
Size 12, Brooks. You never send me any.
He always flexes with his shoes, and then I just reply on Instagram. And his new logo.
Size 12. He says, done.
His new logo is much better. Much better.
Yeah. Way better than the one before, which is not saying much, because the one before was the worst logo of all time.
What a try-hard this DeChambeau is, because he's the guy that wears the scally cap out there. Oh, gee, that's him? Yeah.
That should have been retired with Payne Stewart. Get out of here.
That was his look. Get out of here.
That guy stinks. I hate him.
We're going to just eventually just hate everyone on the PGA Tour except Brooks, and I'm fine with that. Yeah, totally fine with that.
That's actually a great spot to be in. All right, last up before we get to FAQs.
There's a fight this weekend. That's all I got.
Who do you got? Connor versus Cowboy. I'm going to go with Connor in this one.
This is... Must win or can't lose for McGregor.
I don't know if it's because of McGregor. Who do you got? Conor versus Cowboy.
I'm going to go with Conor in this one. This is...
Must win or can't lose for McGregor. I don't know if it's because of McGregor's all the shit that he's done and he's not really a great guy.
He hasn't been able to do a lot of interviews. It feels like there's no hype for this fight.
And it's weird because if Conor McGregor loses his fight, he's done. If he loses his fight, he's done.
But if he wins his fight, cuts an electric promo, he's back. He's back.
So it's a must win. But then Masvidal, who I think we're team Masvidal, will kick the fuck out of Conor McGregor.
Definitely. I don't know.
You guys kind of sold me out to Masvidal. You want to go in the shadow realm? No, but...
I'll put you in the fucking shadow realm. He's going to baptize you, Hank.
He already hates me, so why should I be rooting for him if he already thinks I'm a bad guy? Well, because you want to get out of the shadow realm. Double down? I think so, yeah.

Might as well.

You guys sewered me, so I might as well ride with McGregor.

But if you come out of the shadow realm, you come out a better person.

I like McGregor.

Okay.

Let's do FAQs.

Let's finish up with FAQs.

All right, so this is FAQ.

This is a PFT XFL-centric FAQ. But before we get to those questions, this is just a question AWL sent.

There are 328 million people in the United States, but only 98 million watch the Super Bowl. How are there people that aren't watching the Super Bowl? I hope you guys can get to the bottom of this.
People that don't watch the Super Bowl. They're liars.
A lot of people are just liars. They go to parties.
There's a way that they judge that. That's true.
I don't believe that they do it correctly, but they claim they can account for people in bars and at parties. Got it.
But that's bullshit. Yeah.
I think there's some people who probably forget that the Super Bowl is on. I don't know.
Yeah. That's so weird to think like, you know what? Call out to AWLs.
Let's find a person who has never watched the Super Bowl. I want to interview them in February.
I want to ask them what's going on. Like, what's in your brain? You've never watched.
I want to find someone who has never watched a Super Bowl. You know what? I've never been asked if I watched the Super Bowl.
So how accurate can this poll be? No, but I'm sure someone knows someone who's like, yeah, they've never watched the Super Bowl. Yeah, but what I'm saying is like, I don't have to work.
I agree with you. We should do that.
Yeah, but I'm saying I don't trust this poll's numbers because nobody has ever personally asked me like, hey, did you watch the Super Bowl? Right. So I'm not part of the statistic.
Are you? Nielsen box. I don't have a Nielsen box.
How do you know? Because you know. They tell you.
The only other question, non-XFL question is, what are the crew's all-time favorite video games? Donkey Kong Country was awesome.

GoldenEye and NBA Jam.

All right.

Mario Party 2.

NBA Jam.

Halo 3.

Madden.

NHL.

You were a big NHL guy?

NHL 11, yeah.

That's how I learned the rules of hockey.

What was the...

Call of Duty.

Call of Duty.

Oh, Grand Theft Auto. When it's World War II, I love Call of Duty.
Grand Theft Auto and Vice City Grand Theft Auto. Why can't I think of the name of the video game where they just race around? Mario Kart.
Cruising USA. Mario Kart.
Cruising USA was awesome. It was pretty good.
Mario Kart. Mario Kart.
Big time Mario Kart guy. Fuck.
Oh, and Cool Borders. Shout out Cool Borders.
Hell yeah. How about Paperboard borders hell yeah you ever play that yeah uh yeah so the rest of the questions are about pft's battle frog's hardest game ever which we haven't talked about on the show with pft how would you say your review of your trial went i'd say went good not great so there's a window there's a window that i can make the team and i've got maybe a a little ace in the hole that I can bring out to tell Coach about.

But Pep was there while I kicked.

He told me, you did a good job.

You surprised me.

I'm getting that a lot, actually, from people that were there.

Oh, that's the worst.

Like, I'm shocked that you were not totally incompetent.

You're taller than I thought you would be.

Literally no one said that.

Oh, shit.

Because everyone else on the team was huge.

Yeah, there was a couple pictures.

It was not.

Okay, first things first.

I noticed Big Cat very helpfully retweeted a picture of the punter slash holder tapping me on my head.

The person asked me to delete it, and so I deleted it.

You clicked the wrong button.

You actually clicked the retweet button on it.

But that was a bad issue for me because the punter slash holder slash other kicker on the team,

he's like 6'4 1⁄2".

So when he stands up after I kick it, it makes

me look pretty bad. You looked good.

I mean, your goggles were so goddamn funny

and that one picture was iconic.

So even if it doesn't lead

to you making a team,

I feel like the pictures

and the video are worth

it. Yeah, we'll be putting the video out early next

week. But overall, I'd say

it... Well, you find out on Thursday thursday mr 35 will come out on mr 35 yards uh i'll say that i did not as good as i could have but i i didn't do as bad as i was fearing that i was okay that's a win you'll have to see that's a win full video next week pft who do you think is more likely to kick a 35 yard field goal hank or or Big Cat? That's a good question.
I feel like we could start at 35, and it would take us until the 20 for one of us to hit one. I would either make the first one or miss 20 in a row and never have a chance.
I would toe it, so whatever chances you have. If you toe it, you have a pretty good chance.
I'd probably toe it, too. I'd say that you guys would both make them on your first time.
We would suck. Sup, boys, especially future Hall of Famer PFT.
If your coach calls a fake field goal and you successfully convert, what would be your go-to celebration? The Dougie? No one Dougies anymore. Remember that one? Yeah.
If you got blown up. I'm not.
Listen, it wasn't me who said this. It was someone who we work with.
Ran said it'd be very funny if I got paralyzed. He said that.
Like nine seconds. That was almost really hilarious.
Again, I didn't say I wanted you paralyzed. I said I wanted you.
Big Cat just broke a chair. Hot seat Slim Cat.
The wheel wheel broke off You broke the wheel Off the chair It just came off It was this fucking office It's a shit show It fell off Pete It's unbroken Listen If I scramble For a first down Get lit up And hold on to the ball My celebration Is just going to be Looking around For David Baker From the Hall of Fame To immediately induct me I did not i do not want you to get paralyzed i said that on the record i said it would be funny though if you got stretchered off and could give the thumbs up i would do thumbs down just maybe a dab and then break your neck why don't kickers why don't kickers just juggle the football like a soccer player until you get closer to the field goal. Does this person not know how?

There's a defense on the field.

You could kick it up, run around, catch it, and then.

If you had the world's. No, I think once you kick it, you can't advance it.

Right.

The kicking team is not allowed to advance.

I don't think you can just kick it from like. .

It's not rugby.

You can't kick it from past the line of scrimmage.

Yeah, but maybe if it's like if it doesn't hit the ground type situation.

No, I don't think that you can catch it. It's not a punt.
So I guess it might act like a punt. No, but you kick it, you catch it with your foot.
Like you juggle it like a soccer ball. I don't think you can double kick.
XFL should change that rule. Double kicks are allowed.
What is usually said in the studio immediately after PFT says, love you guys, the microphones go off and the episode ends question mark he says not sometimes i say that no occasionally i'll say that good show or what are we doing for dinner or fuck i can't believe i lost this we actually just don't say the second we only talk when yeah we never talk we're like uh uh mike and mike at the end no but yeah mike and mike at the end by the way are we are we now the new Mike and Mike because I'm a professional athlete and you're just some nerd from Chicago? Yeah, that's it. There it is.
Although I'm a professional athlete too. How? Because I got a contract for a minor league baseball team.
I played in a basketball tournament where people got paid. So I've been a pro athlete for a while.
Professional football player. and also i'm a pro uh professional leader so i've been in the professional arena i'm happy you've joined well professional football players a little bit different yeah no no that's true i'm still a football guy and now you're a football i'm a two sport athlete that's right i'm a three sport athlete i'm dion all right last question uh hey guys i was wondering could pft outkick Jay Feeley now if they were both wearing suits and reporting on the sideline and immediately got called in to start kicking field goals? Definitely.
Yes, Jay Feeley's a fucking loser. He needs his two little weird gloves to be able to kick.
I don't need that shit. Yeah, he doesn't play video games.
He plays real life. I kicked raw, dog.
No glove, no love. You'd fuck Jay Feeley up.
I absolutely would. And consider that a challenge.
Yes, this is me absolutely saying it to Jay Feeley's face. Right, and if Jay Feeley, you somehow do beat PFT, which is not going to happen.
Disavow. It immediately becomes a fist fight.
Yeah. It then goes to that.
Let me say, I think that there is actually like a 50% chance that I do get an XFL contract, that I am signed to the XFL. I'm going to find out on Wednesday night and be able to report on Thursday

morning what happened.

Let me just say, I'm going to donate my entire salary to charity.

Nice.

If I'm signed.

I'm donating to charity.

The Children's Hospital.

The one in Iowa?

A Children's Hospital.

I'm going to donate to a Children's.

The one in Iowa. We can find a good Children's hospital to donate to.
So, balls in your court, XFL. If you want money to go to a children's hospital, I think it's pretty clear what needs to be done here.
I like that. I like that.
I'll match. How much are you going to get paid? I don't know.
I'll match PFT's donation up to $50 to the children's Hospital. That's very brave of you.
So now it's, look at that. We've got a matching program.
Hank, are you going to match? Yes. And I'll give Big Cat $450.
Oh. Should your winnings go to the Children's Hospital? I won't make you do that.
I mean, should his winnings? Let's not get out of here. I don't have winnings anymore.
But the point remains, we are donating, donating as a podcast we are donating my entire salary yes to the to the children's hospital right um one which one the one the one in iowa that they wave to that way that way we can you can live on forever when they wave to it you're like well you know who the real hero is i'm not gonna i'm not i will let other people oh you know what we should match if i match if i do make the xfl we should pay for marlins man to go to every game and sit directly i think we'd have to ask okay sit directly in the middle of the uprights and i'll i'm gonna aim he'd be on tv yeah oh yeah no we don't have to pay i'm gonna aim for him for marlins man in the stands yes that is my guiding beacon he should hold the big hit it here pft i think he'll stand out or not and it's no but it's hit her hit it here pft and it's his face through the sign. And that way I'll know where he's sitting and make sure that my mom is on the opposite side of the screen.
If you hit Marlins man directly in the face with a field goal in an XFL game, I will donate $1,000 to the Iowa Children's Hospital. Now we're getting up there.
Now we're doing it. Now we're doing it.
35 yards. Yes.
Saving lives. Also, there's a little fine print there.

You'll find out on Monday's show with Von Miller.

$1,000.

Love you guys.

Not.

Not again.

Not again. To stay on stage anyway Today's another day to find me Shining away I've been coming for your love Take on me Take me on

I'll be gone

But I don't want to

Needless to say

I'm all just saying it is

But I need someone to wait

Thank you. I need less to say I'm all dissentious But I'm peace I went away The learning of life is a pain Say after me It's no better to be safe than sorry Say after me It's no better to be safe than sorry Take on Thank you.
I'll be gone And I turn your turn