Jeff Fisher, Drew Brees Breaks Another Record + Guys on Chicks

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Speaker 1 We have a good friend, recurring guest, Coach Jeff Fisher, in studio.

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Speaker 1 We also have Drew Brees record night. Oh yeah, that happens like every other day, it feels like.

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Speaker 1 Today is Wednesday, December 18th, and the year is 2060. And

Speaker 1 70-year-old Drew Brees has just broken another record as his three adult sons look on, and his adult daughter is nowhere to be found.

Speaker 1 No, his 45-year-old adult daughter still has the giant earphones on that you wear when you're using a chainsaw.

Speaker 1 He's broken Tom Brady's record for 167th time in a row because they keep going back and forth and both of them are going to play forever. And oh yeah, Drew Brees, another Monday night, another record.

Speaker 1 I feel like we've seen this before and we're going to see it again because he's just going to keep playing and he and Tom Brady are just going to go back and forth breaking each other's records.

Speaker 1 If I may step in and do your pod form and say that Tom Brady Brady actually has all the meaningful records when you take into account the postseason. True, true.
So really, this is just on paper.

Speaker 1 In fact, I was upset at the NFL. I want to put one in Roger Goodell's earhole.

Speaker 1 For an occasion like this, you need to at least break out an 8 by 11 inch piece of paper in Comic Sans saying, congrats on big record, Mr. Brees.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I have a couple questions for you, PFT, to start this show off. The first is...

Speaker 1 Is passer rating the dumbest statistic of all time? Because Drew Brees on Monday night, Drew Brees loves the dome Monday night, a record on the brink.

Speaker 1 It's his ninth record that he set on Monday night for he loves it. It is.
I think Sean Payton purposely calls plays and games leading up to potential record-breaking scenarios. Yes.

Speaker 1 If he knows that he has a Monday night coming up next week, he'll take the ball out of Drew Brees's hand so that he can do it

Speaker 1 on national television in prime time. And we also had the two-time celebration of it because there was a penalty on the first time he broke it.

Speaker 1 But Drew Brees was 29 for 30, 307 yards, four touchdowns, zero interceptions, and he was still 10 points shy of a perfect passer rating. Not good enough for me.
It's the dumbest statistic of all time.

Speaker 1 Not only that, because it's dumb, but it's also someone can explain to me why it's still graded out of 158.3.

Speaker 1 Somebody figured out, it was probably Archie Manning that put it together because Peyton Manning was

Speaker 1 based on Peyton's exact stats, being like, my boy has the record for most perfect passer ratings. If you can't imagine, I can't imagine he's involved in that.
And

Speaker 1 it was like the highest completion percentage record. Yeah, he broke that record.
He broke that record. Rivers had it.
Three touchdowns?

Speaker 1 Four touchdowns. Four touchdowns.
Zero interceptions. And he didn't win us our fantasy team.
That's why it wasn't a perfect game. If he had won us our fantasy league,

Speaker 1 which we needed 60 points out of him, that son of a bitch came up about 25 short. Okay, so second question.
Do we underappreciate Drew Brees? Oh, yeah. So it's legacy talk time now.

Speaker 1 I think that Drew Brees is perfectly appreciated legacy-wise, no matter if you think he's overrated or underrated.

Speaker 1 I think that everyone is correct in their opinion of Drew Brees because you can look at his career through several different prisms, say, like, yeah, okay, he only won one Super Bowl in New Orleans, but if you know anything about the Saints organization

Speaker 1 before he got there, that is an incredible thing that he did.

Speaker 1 Or you can be like, Drew Brees is the best quarterback because you can find some stats, completion percentage, and all this other stuff, and how many winning seasons in a row they've had out of the 11 or 12 years that he's been there.

Speaker 1 Was it like 13 years now?

Speaker 1 He has been in New Orleans. He's been there since 2006.
Yeah, so 13 years, and you can cherry-pick all sorts of stats and be like, he is the best player that's ever played the position.

Speaker 1 Drew Brees, though, is a classic case of a guy who just played in an era where there were one or two guys that were always just a little bit better than him. He's never won an MVP.

Speaker 1 You could make the argument that he's been deserving of an MVP, but his best years, 2011, his best kind of stretch was like that 2011, 2012, they weren't as as good as a team.

Speaker 1 In 2013, Aaron Rodgers threw 45 touchdowns and six interceptions in 2011 when the Packers were 15 and 1. 2012, AP rushed for over 2,000 yards, which is still kind of a hallowed thing.

Speaker 1 And then 2013, Peyton Manning threw 55 touchdowns for that Broncos team. And so Drew Brees gets lost in that, like, he's been incredible for his entire career.

Speaker 1 He's probably, he's definitely a top 10 quarterback all time, but there was never a specific moment in time where you were like this guy was the best quarterback in the NFL because he also played against Tom Brady, too, who has won MVPs and Super Bowls and everything like that.

Speaker 1 So it's so funny to watch him and realize that he's breaking all these records and think like, what year was his year? Probably the Super Bowl year, but what year was specifically his year?

Speaker 1 And it was just taken by someone else who happens to be an all-time great in Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or Adrian Peterson. I would say

Speaker 1 it's like Riley Reid coming up in the era of Tiana Trump, and she has to go up against

Speaker 1 the second Tiana Trump mention in the last two weeks. Yeah, Alexis Texas.

Speaker 1 Well, so you know what I'm saying. Like, Alexis Texas is the goat.

Speaker 1 Well, and unfortunately, it just so happened that two other would-be goats had to compete in the same live ball era of porn, if you will.

Speaker 1 It's one of those cool sports debates, though, where you're like, Drew Brees is unbelievable, but he never was.

Speaker 1 You can make the argument that that Drew Brees was the guy, though, for a couple of those years. But he was good, but I

Speaker 1 wasn't, though. The problem with him, with Drew Brees, yeah, he was.
Peyton Manning threw 55 touchdown passes in one of his best years.

Speaker 1 Peyton Rodgers was like 45 and 6. But he was the guy for a couple of those years.
There were definitely a couple years where you're like, Drew Brees is the best quarterback in the United States.

Speaker 1 It wasn't long term. The problem with Drew Brees is

Speaker 1 that the problem with Drew Brees.

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 1 I know why Hank's saying no, but the problem is

Speaker 1 because you had Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. And Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 No, wait. It was always Brady versus Manning.

Speaker 1 That's always been the debate. Brady versus Manning.
They were in the same conference. Then it was Rodgers.
Well, now Rodgers is the boat.

Speaker 1 I made that up right now as the best quarterback of all time, as opposed to Tom Brady. That's the goat.
Wait, there's a boat already.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. Max Kellerman said that about Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 6 You're right.

Speaker 1 So, no, but Aaron Rodgers was very good. But I definitely think that there were at least a couple years where Drew Brees was that guy.
And

Speaker 1 it's a debate that people are going to have. And legacy-wise, I think we can all just agree that Drew Brees was an excellent quarterback for a long time.
His best statistical year.

Speaker 1 And he made a lot of people happy. His best statistical year was that 2011 year where he threw 46 touchdowns and 14 interceptions.
It just so happened that that was the year that Aaron Rodgers threw

Speaker 1 45 touchdowns and six interceptions. You know what the problem? And they went 15 and one.
You know what the problem with Drew Brees was?

Speaker 1 Their defense has never been excellent. So I don't know the exact stat offhand, but I'm pretty sure that the Saints have won.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure that the Saints have lost lost more games where they've scored 35 points than any other franchise in NFL history. Like in this, in the 16-year span that he's been there.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Or 13-year span or whatever.

Speaker 1 Their defense has been atrocious. Yeah, they've had times.
Yeah, I mean, you could say the same. Peyton had some bad defenses in Indianapolis as well.
He had that kind of curse with him.

Speaker 1 But it's just, he's a fascinating guy to me because he is truly one of the best of all time. And I'm not taking that away from him.

Speaker 1 It's just when you think of the greatest of all times, like the top 10 quarterbacks, you can think of one year where you're like, oh, that was his year.

Speaker 1 And, of course, the Super Bowl year where the Saints were the best story in sports, that was probably the year.

Speaker 1 But in terms of like individual accomplishments, not having that MVP, it feels like maybe we're not appreciating him enough.

Speaker 6 And that year is a hindsight year because going into the Super Bowl, no one thought they were going to win.

Speaker 1 And it was all Peyton. True.
And the on-side kick, the famous on-side kick. That was a great onside kick.

Speaker 1 Also, I want to ask the NFL: we acknowledge all these individual records by players, by teams, even.

Speaker 1 We don't ever get to stop the game and award something to a referee for being like, you just broke the all-time record for holding calls. And who would get that?

Speaker 1 Probably Clee Blakeman. Yeah, probably Clee Blakeman.

Speaker 1 Triplett would probably be the all-time lead league

Speaker 1 in consecutive pass interference calls that were overturned on replay.

Speaker 1 By the way, we didn't even mention the fact that Drew Brees actually, if you look at it, last year might be his statistically best year when

Speaker 1 he had an incredible year last year, 32 touchdowns and five interceptions. Oh, yeah, it went up against Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 So he basically just, every year that he has a great year, it's like, oh, and here's another guy, and here's another guy. Has he had the down year, though? He's had it.

Speaker 1 He's had a couple years where he's had more interception. Like 2014, I'm looking at it right now.
He had 33 touchdowns, 17 interceptions. The Saints went 79.
I don't remember.

Speaker 4 That's still pretty good.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. He's been phenomenal.
I mean, you'll get to 540 touchdown passes and have a really, really bad year. He has been the model of like consistency and great.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying it's weird to look at a guy like that who's breaking all these records now and not have one specific year where it's like head and shoulders he was the best in the league.

Speaker 1 I think he's just always been in that discussion for so long that like the longevity of it, he should get like a second place forever trophy.

Speaker 1 I never felt like Drew Brees was undervalued by anybody because everyone likes him. No, you're not going to find anybody out there that's like, Drew Brees sucks.
Fuck him. I hate him.
He's awful.

Speaker 1 You can find find somebody out there that'll say that about the best quarterbacks of all time, but I've never heard somebody take like an anti-Drew Brees stat.

Speaker 1 So he's always been in the conversation of best passers during the time in football where we've had the best quarterbacks. Yeah, no, I'm not, this isn't anti-Drew Brees.

Speaker 1 It's just interesting to look at a guy like that who has been so accomplished and is one of the best of all time, but not have that one year where it's like, oh, he was so much better than everyone else.

Speaker 1 And he got a shout-out from Tom Brady, who congratulated Drew. He says, passing Peyton Manning on any list is impressive.

Speaker 1 So that was Tom Brady giving himself a little pat on the back and Jameis Winston a pat on the back for passing Peyton Manning in all sorts of statistical categories this season in those graphics that we've seen.

Speaker 1 It's going to be interesting because I actually think besides Patrick Mahomes, if he plays for like 15 years, there's actually not a ton of guys who are like, it's not one of those 540 is not one of those numbers, especially Drew Brees and Tom Brady still playing, that you can look and say, well, that's going to be passed in like, because remember when Brett Favre had it, it was like, well, Peyton's going to pass it and when payton had it was like well drew brees or tom brady are gonna pass it and now it's it's essentially let's not count out ryan fitzpatrick on any of these aaron rodgers is uh almost 200 behind so yeah i think it's gonna probably be jameis's award eventually right he's to just name it after jameis already jameis being the all-time touchdown uh passing leader is going to be the greatest that will be the greatest thursday night football game against uh i don't know who they're going to play with probably the panthers yeah they're going to play panthers and they're going to lose by 20 but he's going to throw four touchdowns and six interceptions interceptions.

Speaker 1 All right, the other part of the game, Booger. Shout out Booger for finally doing a Telestrator penis that we hadn't had in a long time.
We called it, right?

Speaker 1 We said that we were overdue for Telestrator penises, and he gave us a chode. Yeah.
He gave us a real fat one. A real fat, like a real

Speaker 1 choker of a dick that he drew. And he put the balls on there, too, which is nice.
He did.

Speaker 1 And Booger, and yeah, I mean, I feel like that was a good way of just keeping the conversation off of any mistakes he might have made last night. It's like, hey, here's the Telestrator dong.

Speaker 1 That buys me at least a few more months here. Yep.

Speaker 1 Anything else from, I mean, the Colts, that's

Speaker 1 the season that Andrew Luck retired. Yeah.
That's what we said.

Speaker 1 That's the best, the best thing you can say about the Colts is they still played a season after Andrew Luck retired, which feels like a lot of people. And they were in the hunt for a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for a hot minute, they were.

Speaker 6 What were you going to say? I'm surprised you didn't start the show with this, but you guys lost your fantasy matchup.

Speaker 1 Despite

Speaker 1 his mission,

Speaker 1 it was funny when PFT was like, hey,

Speaker 1 to show how great we are at fantasy, I didn't even have the login on anything but my computer, and my computer was at work. And I was like, well, we must be close.

Speaker 1 And Hank was like, well, you're 30 points behind at like the end of the game.

Speaker 1 So, whatever. Fantasy season's over.
Who cares?

Speaker 6 You guys owe me 250 bucks.

Speaker 1 We already paid you. No, thank you.
We already paid you. No, thank you.
Here's a fun little stat. This was sent to me from Shi Jin Pimp, so it's a good stat.

Speaker 1 I actually, I double-checked it on the ESPN playoff simulator, so this is legit.

Speaker 6 See Jin Pimp?

Speaker 1 It's yeah, Chi, like the the president. See Jin Chi Pimp.
Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 It is a playoff scenario. That is not unlikely.
We could get into a situation where week 17, the Texans and the Titans could mutually agree to tie each other, and both teams would make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 But who would get the

Speaker 1 win the AFC South?

Speaker 1 Why wouldn't you do that? So it all. Because

Speaker 1 of what I just asked. One of them has to win the AFC South and get a home playoff game, so one of the teams wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 So it would be if Tennessee beats New Orleans, Tampa Bay beats Houston, and Pittsburgh loses to either Baltimore or the Jets, it would set up a week 17 playoff scenario where

Speaker 1 whoever won would eliminate the other team. But who would get AFC South champion if they tie it?

Speaker 1 I don't have it pulled up right now, so I can pull it up and let you know exactly what that would look like.

Speaker 1 But could you, first of all, it's not going to happen because if you think Mike Vrabel is going to go into a game and shake somebody's hand and say, hey, let's just tie you. Right.

Speaker 1 And also the playoff game. Yeah, Mike Vrabel would probably say that he would tie you and then just run the ball down your throat.

Speaker 1 Derrick Henry, just 100 times in the game.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we also have, by the way, if you want to watch our interview coming up with Coach Fisher, barsoegold.com slash PMT, we have news out of Detroit.

Speaker 1 The Matt Patricia Bob Quinn marriage is going on for another year. So congratulations to the Lions after everything we said last week or on Sunday,

Speaker 1 and how that franchise is just the saddest franchise in the world. Well, you get to keep being sad.
Yeah. They're calling her Marth Vader for Martha Ford.
I like that nickname a lot.

Speaker 1 I saw a rumor that Jeff Bezos might have been kicking the tires around about Alliance teams. About the Lions? About buying the Lions.
I hope.

Speaker 1 He's the guy now where, like, he's a mystery team, where he has so much money that he can just, every team, every fan base can just hope that Jeff Bezos will come in and buy their team.

Speaker 1 With their value is going up because there's such a rich guy out there that might be interested. Jeff Bezos is the new Las Vegas.
Yeah. Or the new Los Angeles.
He's just NFL teams.

Speaker 1 As long as you have that open space out there, you can dangle it. I think Eminem should buy the lines.

Speaker 1 All of D12 should team up.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he has enough money to do it, but that would be a great one. Kid Rock and Eminem together? What about the other D11? You don't think that they can put together a...

Speaker 6 No, maybe. Those chicks don't even know the name of that band.

Speaker 1 Ooh, nice nice thing to do. That's a deep cut right there.
That was a deep cut. Kid Rock.

Speaker 6 People forget, too, by the way, that Belichick was Owen.

Speaker 6 His three first seasons were losing seasons.

Speaker 1 So Matt Patricia is the next Belichick.

Speaker 4 Got it.

Speaker 1 Marth Vader also said that

Speaker 1 I think the line coming from the ownership is they liked the progress before the injuries happened. So that's a classic one where it's like, hey, we would have been good.

Speaker 1 And they got fucked by the refs. And they got fucked by the refs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so they should have another win but you have to pets that and they've got the quarterback of the future with with sloater on the team being being fucked by the refs as the lions you have to like write that in as you're like in your statistical analysis of how the lions are going to go their season is going to go you have to put at least one loss of we're going to get fucked by the refs is bob seeger still alive yes he should it should just be all of get ted nugent involved to purchase the team maybe jalen rose yeah yeah that would be good we get the whole the whole the whole gang together

Speaker 1 All these guys never met. They don't know each other.
Yeah, but Gilbert, you can get in there. The guy that owns Little Caesars.
Yeah. That son of a bitch.
Whoever owns four. Wait, no.
No,

Speaker 1 that's already there. Marth Vader.
I like that a lot. Marth Vader is good.
We should sell Marth Vader t-shirts. Yeah, we should.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do some hot seat cool throwing, and we'll get to Jeff Fisher.

Speaker 6 Hank, why don't you start?

Speaker 6 My hot seat is anyone that doesn't like their job and uses taking a shit to get out of it. I love this.
Yep.

Speaker 6 So I don't know who this guy is, Dave Sessio, but it was a tweet, so I'm going to take it as true word. Fact.

Speaker 6 New downward tilting toilets are designed to become unbearable to sit on after five minutes, and the main benefit of them is to improve employee productivity.

Speaker 6 So they're building toilets that if you sit on them and you're sitting on there, you know, 10, 15 minutes, you're like, your legs don't fall asleep. It just is a striking pain, and you have to get up.

Speaker 1 This is so illegal. Well, unless it's an NFL franchise, because then you're doing wall sits while you take a shit, so it builds up your quad strength, which I like.

Speaker 1 They should just, if you really want your employees to not spend a long time shitting, you should just install cell phone jamming services into your stalls.

Speaker 1 And that way you can't sit on their... Why am I saying this out loud? Yeah, don't because I don't want to speak this into existence.

Speaker 6 I feel like the art of going to the back, like even in high school, even in high school before I had a cell phone, I was still just like, let me get out of class and go take a shit.

Speaker 1 It's a mental health.

Speaker 6 So I don't even know that the cell phone thing would work as much. Like people back in the day, before cell phones existed, were still taking long shit breaks.

Speaker 1 Am I wrong? No, you're not wrong. It's where, like, I mean, just think about anyone, your father growing up.
Right.

Speaker 1 That was like, hey, dad's in there. Right.
Let him be. I'd read the newspaper.
Yeah. I would place it.
He's going in there for an hour. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Taking a nice long bathroom break, it's one of the small things in life that everybody looks forward to over the course of the day.

Speaker 1 Some people right now are listening to us as they're shitting right now. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 And you've probably been listening so long that if you were on one of these advanced downward-facing toilets, which sounds like a yoga move, you would have cracked your face

Speaker 1 in the stall. Also, this seems like it opens up lawsuits city for more toilet accidents.
Yes. It's like more people will fall off the toilet.
Don't fuck with our toilets. It's like all we got.

Speaker 1 It's all we got. It's the workers of America unite.
We can't have this happen.

Speaker 1 It might actually make me join a union. Solidarity.

Speaker 1 If this is how it's going to go.

Speaker 6 There is a lot better feelings, but there's no better feeling than just standing up and like falling over because you've been sitting in the toilet for like

Speaker 1 the creases in your legs. Yeah, that's

Speaker 1 as close as I'll ever get to serving in the military. It's just the feeling that I get after taking a really long shit and feeling too tired to walk.

Speaker 1 I'll get the mark on my face because I'm just like this the whole time. Oh, yeah.
You walk out of the toilet and you've got a bread.

Speaker 1 It looks like your forehead's like Peyton Manning after he's been wearing his helmet all day because your head's just been resting in your hand. I've seen that a few times.
Yeah, so let us shit.

Speaker 1 Just let me shit.

Speaker 6 My cool throne is Boner Dogs.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 6 We didn't talk about this on the show on Monday, but we actually Triggs made a movie poster for Boner Dogs, which you can buy. Get it framed.
I feel like it's a must-have.

Speaker 6 We're going to go in the studio.

Speaker 6 It's just a must-have for the Christmas season if you're in college. Like, you know, no more ninja turtles, no more pizza, pizza poster.

Speaker 1 No more Bob Marley. Boner dogs.
No more teachers, dirty looks.

Speaker 1 No more Belushi. Boner dogs.
No more the kiss. Actually, the kiss is a must-have.

Speaker 1 Because if you bring two chicks back to your dorm dorm room, you know they're going to make out. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 They're like, oh, we can do that?

Speaker 1 That's legal? Get one of those Pink Floyd posters where it's all the naked chicks from behind with the albums on it, even though you've never seen the Pink Floyd.

Speaker 1 How many of those people do you think are dead now? The Pink Floyd ass babies? There's at least three Pink Floyd asses that are dead. Think about that next time you put that poster.

Speaker 1 It's fucked up. If you're on a poster like that that transcends generations, you never really die.
Pink Floyd poster, that's for sure. You're looking at

Speaker 1 dead person's ass.

Speaker 6 There's like an oral history of the Pink Floyd

Speaker 1 ass poster.

Speaker 1 There's an old saying that you really die the last time somebody looks at your ass. That's when you're really done.

Speaker 6 Or if you've never had an ass your entire life.

Speaker 1 Same. If I've never theoretically.
If you don't have an ass, you should get ass implants, Hank.

Speaker 1 Well, we have the squat rack now. By the way, this is.
I'm going to go the all-natural route. Yeah, unassembled, but yeah.
This is from 1996. It's two-dimensional.
Assembled.

Speaker 1 1996 is when this poster came out. So, what do we got? 23 years?

Speaker 1 Am I doing my math? They're probably in their what, mid-20s? Late 20s? There's six women there. I'm saying two Pink Floyd asses are dead.
Think about that. I don't want to think about that.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Think about it. Okay, PFT, what do you got? Your hot seats?

Speaker 6 Also, short sleeve are part of my take short-sleeve sweatshirts.

Speaker 1 Okay. Nice.
Those are on the cool throne. Nice.
All right.

Speaker 1 My hot seat. Well, Hank had one of them already with the shitting thing.
I was all fired up about that.

Speaker 1 Hot seat is going to be former Denver Bronco Clinton Portis

Speaker 1 and former San Francisco 49er Carlos Rogers, who got busted for taking part in a medical fraud situation going on. I think they were like in the D.C.
area when it was happening or whatever.

Speaker 1 It's not important what team they were around at the time.

Speaker 1 But I guess that they were submitting claims on behalf of old NFL players to get medical devices that didn't actually exist and they were getting kickbacks for them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they actually got like a horse x-ray. I was reading it, and they got a horse x-ray.
They got

Speaker 1 one of those,

Speaker 1 is it sonar? It was like an electric stimulation thing. The pregnant sonar thing? They essentially got

Speaker 1 an athlete's version of a Sibian. Basically, they just ordered a shitload of Sibions that don't exist, and they're getting taken.
I think they got arrested for it, and they're in a lot of hot water.

Speaker 1 So, I hope that's not true because former Denver Bronco Clinton Portis was one of my favorite players growing up. Yep.
And former San Francisco 49er Carlos Rogers was also very good, too.

Speaker 1 Also hot seat Jacksonville Jaguars. 25% of NFLPA grievances over the last couple years have been against the Jaguars out of 32 teams.
So that's pretty high.

Speaker 1 It's Tom Coughlin. I guess showing up 15 minutes early to everything isn't mandated by the current collective bargaining agreement.

Speaker 1 Turns out Tom Coughlin's a real dick. Well,

Speaker 1 never really saw that one come up. I'll say this.
Trying to get Tom Coughlin to abide by a legal piece of paper is like trying to teach a horse algebra. He's just never going to do it.

Speaker 1 He's just going to be like, no, this collective bargaining agreement makes my team weak, so I'm not going to do it. Right.
And so he's. Where's the toughness clause? He's never going to change.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 15 minutes early to all the illegal things that we're not supposed to be doing. Yes.
My cool throne is Genoris Jenkins because he got cut.

Speaker 1 by the Giants for calling a fan the the R word, not the red skin word, but the other, the real R word, during practice. So he tweeted the R word at a fan during practice.

Speaker 1 He got cut, and then he got signed by the Saints after explaining that calling somebody the R word is a hood thing.

Speaker 1 Cultural. So it's cultural.
It's like when Derek Rose said, like,

Speaker 1 kill yourself. That's what we, it's slang from Chicago.
Everyone says that.

Speaker 1 No, everyone actually does say kill yourself. You say it all the time around the office.
Yeah, people say it all the time.

Speaker 1 So Denoris Jenkins, the Jackrabbit, which is one of the best nicknames in sports, I think. Yes.
Jackrabbit Jenkins is on the Saints. Okay, so the Saints are are ready to go and maybe

Speaker 1 need some, like, you know, maybe a couple classes to teach people how to not say these things. I'm sure the Saints will react rationally when Roger Goodell suspended.
They got this, yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the whole Saints, Sean Payton, you just got suspended.

Speaker 1 Actually, what Sean Payton should do is he should just get a bunch of players that he thinks might be suspended soon, and that way they have more causes to rally left. Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 All right, my hot seat is guys with big dicks. Ah, fuck.
Oh, I had to say,

Speaker 1 wait, that was a setup. No, but Jason Derulo, yes.

Speaker 1 They CGI'd his large penis out of Cats, the new movie. So I'm a Jason Derulo.

Speaker 1 Yes, but as guys who like, you know, you can't have that happen to you. People need to know.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm a big truther on this because in that Instagram picture he put up, he definitely chubbed up. Oh, yeah.
He did some prep work before he put this. There's porn playing behind the camera.
I just know

Speaker 1 that this probably explains why you can never see my penis in any pictures because it's been CGI'd out. The internet CGIs it all.
It sucks. They're trying to take this out of it.

Speaker 1 So that's totally why my small penis never shows up.

Speaker 1 There's no bigger thrill in my life than going through airport security while I'm wearing meundis and the little alarm goes off on the other side and the stick figure has a box around the crotch.

Speaker 1 I'm like, yeah, that's right. I got a dick.
I was going to take pictures and like our phones in our pictures.

Speaker 6 I have it, but it looks just far enough to like it. It looks like you have a hog.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I have it. It's like when the phone's done, yeah.
No, when yeah, where the phone or I have a tin in and everyone's like, oh my god. It's like, yeah, dude, you didn't think I was packing?

Speaker 1 And they're like,

Speaker 1 actually, that's my fucking huge Costanza wallet because I never throw anything out.

Speaker 1 Or when Greene gets a picture when he's got the Johnsonville Brats just in his pocket, ready to read an ad at any given time. Yep.
And a condom on them. But he also has a big penis.

Speaker 1 He probably puts a condom on the Johnsonville brat before he puts it on the grill. And then he puts the tinfoil down on the grill before he puts the condo sausage on it.

Speaker 1 To make sure it's all no germs anyway. My cool throne is Jim Boylan because he's never going to be fired.
And he coaches with faith. He coaches by faith.
That's what he keeps saying. The Bulls lost.

Speaker 1 They had a 26-point lead last night. They lost.
And yeah, he is the worst coach in the NBA. He might be the worst coach in the history of basketball.
What does coaching by faith mean?

Speaker 1 It means that he's really stupid. But if you say, I coach by faith, you can throw out all the numbers, all logic.
It means any players get crossed up. Yeah, anything that makes perfect sense.

Speaker 1 He can just be like, no, I don't do that. I coach by faith.
Last night he called a timeout, PFT, with, they were up 26. The Thunder made a 10-point run.

Speaker 1 He called the timeout with 33 seconds left in the third quarter to stop the run. Okay.

Speaker 1 And then he had no timeouts at the end of the day. So, yeah, that's not ideal.

Speaker 1 By the way, that's what faith does. For people who don't understand, who don't watch basketball, because I know the NBA ratings are down, they stop the game in between quarters.

Speaker 1 So that there is a timeout. So there is a timeout that's not.
That's a big one. And how long? And how much time was left? 33 seconds.
33 seconds to stop the run.

Speaker 1 You know what? He's such a fucking idiot. I'm really good at knowing.
So flea flickers, I can tell you when a flea flicker is coming.

Speaker 1 I can also tell when a coach is about to call a timeout to make the crowd, to take the crowd out of it. Yeah.
Basketball. I've got like my finger on the pulse of those guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so John Paxon, good job. He's actually a genius because he hired just a walking, talking moron that we could all be mad at so that we're not mad at him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's, I mean, coaching with your gut is good. Faith.
Coaching with faith is like coaching with somebody else's gut. Like with God's gut.

Speaker 1 I actually, listen, as someone who does a lot of things with, you know, makes a lot of bets with faith, there is an element of like, hey, if I just, maybe it will be different this time, but it's never different.

Speaker 1 You always just lose. He just goes.
But maybe it'll be different. He coaches with delusion.
Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to work out this time. All right.

Speaker 1 Let's get to our interview with coach Jeff Fisher. He came into the studio.
I love him. Visited us.
Looks great. He does.
He looks nice and relaxed. He looks like he could play.

Speaker 1 And we talk everything with him, coaching, fishing, bears, awesome stuff.

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Okay, here he is, Coach Jeff Fisher.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on one of our favorite recurring guests. It is Coach Jeff Fisher.
He's in studio. He's come to visit us.

Speaker 1 First of all, I don't want to go like all Jewish grandmother on you here, but you're too skinny. You've lost too much weight.

Speaker 4 You need to eat. Well, you know, I've been, you tracked me down a couple times.
I was up in the mountains of Montana.

Speaker 1 Oh, fall. fall.

Speaker 4 I hadn't seen the freaking mountains or Montana in a fall for 20 years. So I made the most of it.
I was up, it was really cool. I spent some time in Wyoming with a buddy who's a fish and game guy.
And

Speaker 4 I was with a wildlife biologist, believe it or not.

Speaker 4 And we were stocking elk, you know, up at 11,000 feet. So I got a lot of cool stuff done.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we haven't, I don't think we've had you on since this became a question on this podcast. Hank, our producer, you know Hank.
Yep.

Speaker 1 He thinks that he can catch a fish with his bare hands like a bear. Okay.

Speaker 4 What kind of

Speaker 4 fish?

Speaker 1 A live fish? The inspiration.

Speaker 4 I'm sure you can probably get one that's floating.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not a dead fish.

Speaker 6 I'm sure you've done this too, but I got in like a mode of a few weeks where I was just watching Planet Earth any chance I got.

Speaker 6 And there was a segment about in Alaska during the salmon run or whatever you call it when the bears just go out and there's so many salmon that they literally just going around, just picking up with their bare hands.

Speaker 6 And I said in my head, if I was in the place where that bear is, I could definitely go in there, grab a fish, take it home.

Speaker 4 You probably need to use your feet,

Speaker 4 and then use your hands and just kind of scoop it up on shore. But you probably have a shock.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I don't consider scooping it up on shore.

Speaker 1 Grab it with his hands.

Speaker 1 He has to make a football act. Okay.

Speaker 4 You got to have some

Speaker 4 big-ass hands if you want to grab one of these because they are.

Speaker 6 The bears are just, they'll knock them down, and then you can, then you can.

Speaker 4 I'll tell you, the last time I was up there, which was last fall, we were fly fishing up there, and

Speaker 4 I was downriver, and my son Brandon was up bubbing with a guide, and I was walking back to the driftboat, and I looked, and down here, up down this current, something's floating.

Speaker 4 And I'm looking, trying to figure out what it is.

Speaker 4 It's a grizzly, it's the equivalent of a grizzly.

Speaker 4 It's a brown bear, and it's got his feet up in the on the surface, and it's floating like kids, like without a raft, but just kind of rafting down the river.

Speaker 4 And I yelled at them, and then they look and they yell, and this thing took hauls ass off, you know, takes off, gets his feet in the ground, and takes off, run the other way. But you could do that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 You could just float down the river.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you.

Speaker 4 That'd be easier than catching a fish with your hands.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're kind of bearing the lead here, which is you scared a bear.

Speaker 4 Your presence is.

Speaker 4 Up there, it's so different.

Speaker 4 they're not crazy about people they they they're they will run from you up there

Speaker 1 you know it's different in the montana wyoming area where you know they actually are beginning to now become more aggressive and right attack you right last time we had you on the show i think it was right before the super bowl it was uh the week before and we talked about a bear encounter that you had yes and i asked jared goff about that at media night i said do you feel partially responsible like coach is no longer your head coach and instead he's out getting attacked possibly killed by wildlife.

Speaker 1 He said that he felt bad about that, but he knew that he was confident in your ability to escape a bear attack. So my question is,

Speaker 1 have you had any more dangerous encounters with bears?

Speaker 4 Not dangerous, but this was cool back in Wyoming just a month or so ago.

Speaker 4 I cruised into fish and game in Cody, Wyoming, to meet up with some buddies to go out and head out in the wilderness. And I walked in there and was just talking to the people in the front office.

Speaker 4 And one of the guys comes in and goes, hey, coach, what's going on? I go, nothing, man. What what are you doing? He goes, come back here, check this out.

Speaker 4 So he takes me back through the, you know, into this big kind of garage-like area. And they had a, they had a truck and then behind it, they had a trailer hooked up to it.

Speaker 4 And they had just trapped a male grizzly bear that's probably about four years old. So up there, if they become a nuisance, they'll either trap them or most of the time trap them.

Speaker 4 But when they get them in the cage, they dart them and then they'll tranquilize them. And then they'll do, you know, a physical and then chip them and do that.

Speaker 4 But anyway, I got in there and this thing was probably like you guys, you know, sometimes remember the days you wake up in the morning and you're bouncing off the walls?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Yeah, what about that? That's like six.

Speaker 4 Yeah, okay. Days a week.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 that wasn't.

Speaker 4 Oh, but that's how this thing was still drugged.

Speaker 4 It wasn't quite together yet. It was just kind of coming out of it.
It was bouncing the back of this cage. And they said, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 So I reached in, I grabbed his hind foot and felt its claws and stuff like that. And it was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 It's an impressive animal.

Speaker 4 But anyway, they'll let it bring it to, and then they'll take it out and they'll transport it, you know, and transplant it actually, and then release it out someplace away where the people are.

Speaker 1 You are definitely an outdoorsman. I get the feeling that if we just dropped you into Yellowstone with a knife, you could probably survive for a couple months.

Speaker 4 I just walked to my cabin. That's how close we are to Yellowstone.

Speaker 4 And it's different. You got to have

Speaker 4 a tremendous sense of respect for the outdoors, especially some of the stuff. I mean,

Speaker 4 you talk about fishing in Alaska and the things that you see, the Mother Nature. Nature is amazing.
It's an amazing force and unpredictable. And you got to be careful and be with the right people.

Speaker 4 But anyway, yeah,

Speaker 4 you can kick it up on the show with your feet or your hands, and that counts.

Speaker 1 I think he's got to fall, but he's got to maintain possession of the fish for this to count. All right, so

Speaker 1 the other side of your life, football. Yeah.
You miss it, I'm assuming.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I've been watching it real close.

Speaker 1 So have you been watching the NFL in college every single weekend?

Speaker 4 Yeah, just about.

Speaker 1 Who's your MVP? Is it Lamar?

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 4 had you asked me

Speaker 4 yesterday before the game, I'd say clearly Lamar.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 4 that is an amazing feat. And I know what he did last night, what Drew did last night,

Speaker 4 is an accumulation of some amazing things over the years. But that is really hard to do what he did.
And you're not going to give somebody an award just based on

Speaker 4 a single game performance.

Speaker 1 Right. He was changing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Lamar, what they got going, of course, what they got going.

Speaker 4 It's just amazing to watch the dual threat quarterback and watch them come in, and then they go by, they disappear for a while, then they come back in.

Speaker 4 there's never been one like Lamar and you know you can just you can tell I mean the defenses are outnumbered and that's the that's the idea I remember when you know we were doing the RG3 trade with St.

Speaker 4 Louis and Washington with Mike Shanahan talking to Mike about it and you know that was quite a trade that we we you know we executed and particularly because we had a quarterback at Sam Sam Bradford.

Speaker 4 But Mike kept saying, you know, I got to do this, I got to do this, because it gives me a one-man advantage.

Speaker 4 It basically does. You're outnumbered on defense when you're playing such an athlete like that.
And now

Speaker 4 you can't even, with Lamar, you can't even spy the dude because there's no athlete on your defense that's equivalent to him. You just can't get him down.
And so, yeah, he's had a great year.

Speaker 4 It's been really fun to watch.

Speaker 1 That's interesting because if there is an athlete that's good enough to spy Lamar Jackson, they're going to move him to either playing wide receiver or running back or quarterback.

Speaker 1 So he's not even going to be a defensive player.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he won't fit in the system. And, you know, it's just everybody's trying different things.
And it's interesting to

Speaker 4 watch the defensive minds and see what they try to do. And, you know, week after week after week, you know, from Wade Phillips a few weeks ago,

Speaker 4 that was hard to watch.

Speaker 4 Yes. And then, you know, even Greg, you know, Greg Williams here, who has some players hurt Mrs.
Mosley and things like that, they gave him up 42 or whatever, you know, and it's just hard to do.

Speaker 4 So they'll be hard to stop.

Speaker 1 I mean, it worked in the playoffs last year. Whatever Anthony Lynn put together with, you know, putting seven defensive backs or however many it was on the field at any given time,

Speaker 1 that seemed to slow him down in the playoffs last year.

Speaker 1 If it were up to you, if we're talking defensive coordinator Jeff Fisher, if you're game planning for Lamar Jackson, what would you do to stop him?

Speaker 4 Well, I tip my hat, but,

Speaker 4 you know, you've got to do a lot of different things, and

Speaker 4 you've got to make that ball go out to the boundary if he's going to throw it. And he doesn't.
They do such a great job.

Speaker 4 All his big completions are inside the numbers and down the field.

Speaker 4 And, you know, you just got to give an ever-changing look and hope that you can, one, get him in third down and maybe get off the field.

Speaker 4 But it's definitely a situation where if you can hold him to three, field goals are wins against the Ravens right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So actually, it's interesting you bring up third down because the other thing the Ravens are doing is basically just not punting. They're going for it on fourth down all the time.

Speaker 1 Watching football now from your perspective outside of the game, if you do get back in the game, are there things that you would do differently, like maybe being more aggressive on fourth down and saying, hey, we're going to, the analytics have changed.

Speaker 1 People have started to get the numbers into the game a little bit more and do things a little differently, go for two in different situations.

Speaker 1 Have you done that? Like kind of

Speaker 4 always done that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 4 the analytic thing is is obviously it's trending right now um we saw what it did for the browns uh you know a few years ago it ruined the organization because that's what they stood behind but everybody's interested in that and basically analytics are all based on past based on past history.

Speaker 4 And you know, everything's different. Everything's subjective in the past.

Speaker 4 You don't know what the what the d why the decision was made or who was hurt or who was not hurt or what the where the momentum was.

Speaker 4 And there's there's all it's objective based on objectivity, based on the past. But, you know, the game is so subjective right now.

Speaker 4 I mean, when you flip over to the officials and, you know, it's got to be clear and obvious and no one knows what clear and obvious is.

Speaker 4 It's different. So there's a gut feel that you have to rely on when you're either going forward on fourth down or you're faking a punt or, you know, and those type of things.

Speaker 4 And, you know, you can't take that away. You can't rely on some guys down the hall sitting in a room, you know, punching on a computer, going back and finding information back from 15 years ago.

Speaker 4 It doesn't work. I mean, I saw it firsthand in a game.
I was familiar with,

Speaker 4 there was an individual helping us, a head coach, and his responsibility was to handle fourth down. And, you know, he was the analytic guy.

Speaker 4 And ironically, in this game, there were two fourth down opportunities that came up, and

Speaker 4 he didn't go for one and then went for the next. And in my opinion, they were both absolutely wrong.
But

Speaker 4 it was based on what the analytics recommendation is.

Speaker 1 It's got to be one of those things where whenever you see analytics, it happens in baseball as well, where I think

Speaker 1 the numbers are good and the numbers make everyone a lot smarter.

Speaker 1 But at the end of the day, there's an element, I think there was actually happened in the Belichick and Sabin documentary where Belichick was like, you can throw all the analytics out.

Speaker 1 We just didn't tackle. Like, you know, sometimes it's like, hey, if we don't want it more,

Speaker 1 if we don't tackle, or if we just don't play, you know, the assignment that we're supposed to play, the numbers can't help you.

Speaker 4 Well, yeah, but who's to say that the quarterback didn't give it up and Aaron Rodgers pulled the defense off sides on fourth down and it converted. So here's another net notch in this conversion.

Speaker 4 But see, that's the thing about it. And you just have to be real careful when you're relying on it.
Now, what it is, is it's a convenient excuse. Well, analytics say go for it.

Speaker 4 So I went for it and we didn't convert.

Speaker 1 so it's okay get off my ass it is hard data to sell the fans on why you made a certain decision it's like well don't be mad because the probability said that that was the right and it's true what you're saying like the i think the you know whatever the i can't remember what the exact percentage is for like a two-point conversion it's like 51 52 percent something like that yeah for the bears it's less I know that because their offense has struggled all year.

Speaker 1 So it's like you can't play exactly those numbers if your team, if you're off, and for the Ravens, it's more. Like the Ravens will get a two-point convert.

Speaker 1 The Ravens will get three yards, two yards, more than 51% of the time.

Speaker 4 Well, the Ravens are averaging, I don't know what it is, but 38 points a game. It's crazy.
So why not go for it on fifth down?

Speaker 1 No, it's true.

Speaker 4 Where the Bears are trying to win 13 to 10. Yep.
You know, it's true. And hope that you got a kicker that can kick a field goal.
So

Speaker 4 it's all different. You just have to watch.
So

Speaker 4 no, it's okay. The team that I, you know, I'm in Nashville right now, and they're playing a kicker.
Yeah. You know,

Speaker 1 actually, funny enough, their best kicker this year has been Cody Parky. Go figure.
That's wild. Auburn University.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I sat with his mom and dad for two years watching Cody kick at Auburn when my son played.
I mean, I'm a Cody fan. Did anybody ever say that that ball was tipped?

Speaker 1 Yes, people tried to, but I don't care.

Speaker 1 He's stunk all year.

Speaker 4 Okay, well, that's we don't have to go back in time.

Speaker 1 Let's get by the post. Okay.
So I want, let's do some story time because you told some great stories last time you were on the show.

Speaker 1 Let's go back to that Super Bowl run.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 1 So the playoffs. So

Speaker 1 we did the Miracle, the Music City Miracle last time you were on. The playoff run that you had when you guys went to the Super Bowl.
What's one of your favorite memories from that run?

Speaker 4 Well, you know, the first game

Speaker 4 was Buffalo, and that was a Music City Miracle. So second game, now we got to go on the road and we go up to Indy, and we're playing Peyton up there.
And that was the

Speaker 4 one thing that happened in that game, asides from us winning, was

Speaker 4 there was,

Speaker 4 we had a punt way deep to my left, and the ball was returned about 70 yards. Indy returned a punt about 70 yards.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I had both the kicker and the punter, Al Del Grocco and Craig Hentrick, come running to me going, Jeff, he stepped out of bounds. He stepped out of bounds.
Back, way back here.

Speaker 4 I go, and you can't trust players to challenge plays. And I go, are you sure? And these are two guys I could trust.

Speaker 4 And so anyway, back then, in instant replay, the head coach had to wear a pager and it had two buttons, had a button on the top and a button on the side.

Speaker 4 And if you got them both together, then that would page the referee, and the referee would shut it down. And that was how you notified him that you want to challenge the play.

Speaker 4 So I'm standing there paging, paging, paging, paging, and nothing's happening. And they're getting ready to run.
And I run on the field and I call timeout.

Speaker 4 And so anyway, I call timeout and they review the play.

Speaker 1 Sure enough, he stepped out of bounds.

Speaker 4 The fields flipped, and anyway, we ended up winning the game. So, two days after the game, in the mail,

Speaker 4 I get this

Speaker 4 piece of glass covered this

Speaker 4 shelf. And in case of emergency, break glass, and they had a red shop towel in it

Speaker 4 for your flag and kind of thing. So, going, all right, this is really cool, but hey, you know what? We got to go down and play Jacksonville again.
Okay, so we beat Indy up there.

Speaker 4 We go down to play Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 Jacksonville's 14-2. Their only two losses have come to whomever, Tennessee.
Right. Okay, so, and they just smoked.
Hard to beat a team three times. Of course it is.
And they just said smoke.

Speaker 4 They smoked Miami

Speaker 4 in their first game.

Speaker 1 Tam Reno's last game.

Speaker 4 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. Nice going.
Real?

Speaker 1 That was a really bad. People forget.

Speaker 1 Jacksonville put up like 60 on the game.

Speaker 4 It was 63, I think.

Speaker 4 Nothing or 7.

Speaker 4 So anyway,

Speaker 4 keep this in mind. There's only one week between championship game and Super Bowl.
Last time. There's always been two weeks.

Speaker 4 So could you imagine that happening now?

Speaker 1 I would love it because Big Cat's birthday is on January 30th. Mine's on the 31st.
Occasionally, the Super Bowl would be on her birthday.

Speaker 4 And you guys would be smalling ass across

Speaker 4 across the country in your van trying to get down for Media Week.

Speaker 1 Your Super Bowl. Media Day.
Your Super Bowl was my birthday. Okay.
January 30th. I had a birthday party.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was snowing outside. You had a birthday party for my birthday? Yeah.
Thank you. We hadn't even met yet.
It was a Super Bowl party. It was great.
Why don't they do that?

Speaker 1 Bring it back to January 30th. Okay, what did you serve? We're in.
What you bring in particular. Domino's pizza and two liters of orange soda.
Perfect. I got dogs and popcorn.
Nice. So, one.

Speaker 1 Your dad got you a popcorn machine. Yeah, and he pretended that we all got tickets to the game.
That's so cool. Yeah.

Speaker 4 One week. Well, you guys can talk about this later.

Speaker 4 I'm going to speak over them now. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 One week between

Speaker 4 Super Bowl or conference championship game and Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 So the week before we play Jacksonville down there, we got to send our advanced crew to Atlanta and have them come in there and check out the hotel and do all that stuff. Because you don't know.

Speaker 4 If you win, you're going to be there the day after. So you do all this stuff in advance.
So we send our crew down there. Jacksonville sends their crew down there.

Speaker 4 And their crew was a little, this is the feedback I got. They were like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Coach Coughlin wants the rooms to be like this, and this is how we're going to do the hotel.

Speaker 4 And they were kind of like, you know, this. This game really doesn't even matter.
We've already got it one, type of thing. Right.
And so, anyway, we win the game and

Speaker 4 we go down. It was a mess because we had to go from Nashville just to Atlanta, but Atlanta's frozen.
So I had the meeting the night after the game and the players come in.

Speaker 4 You got to do tickets and all that kind of stuff. You can imagine this.
The day after the championship game, they're going down for Super Bowl week and Monday media day is Tuesday.

Speaker 4 So I keep the coaches behind. We game plan.

Speaker 4 I go down with the players. We have this week and it's just a mess and

Speaker 4 can't practice outside, outside, all this stuff. And so, Friday press conference, okay.

Speaker 4 And it's the last question. Now, this is where the press conference where both coaches dressed up.

Speaker 4 So, Coach Vermill and I are dressed up, and you get to take your picture by the, you know, the Lombardi trophy. And so, last question out of the back

Speaker 4 to me. I said, yeah.
And

Speaker 4 he goes, Steve,

Speaker 4 what's it like to play in

Speaker 4 three different venues in three years or something like that?

Speaker 4 And I said, well, my name's Jeff.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 4 I said, it's actually four if you would include Altel Stadium in Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 Because that was like another home

Speaker 4 for us because we had just won there twice that year, and we've been winning there.

Speaker 1 You own that stadium.

Speaker 4 And that didn't go over very well with the Jacksonville Jaguar fans.

Speaker 1 But I mean, if they don't like it, then beat you.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So what did I? I just saw

Speaker 4 the Jacksonville quarterback, coincidentally, in Oakland. He said he saw more middle fingers.

Speaker 1 Oh, Minshu. Minshu.

Speaker 4 Minshu. Okay.
Than he had in his lifetime. Well, that's how it was every year after I went down to Jacksonville because I had told everybody, the world, that Jacksonville would just be another home.

Speaker 1 Another home place for you.

Speaker 4 Another home place for us.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so yeah, that was kind of some cool stuff that happened back then.

Speaker 1 Did Dick Vermill cry during that meeting day?

Speaker 4 I don't know. We were separate.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah. Have you ever seen that?

Speaker 4 And I never got to, I never, actually, I didn't get to get to him when the game was over.

Speaker 4 I couldn't get to him to shake his hand. And so, you know, obviously we talked after, but I got him after the, well, after the game.

Speaker 1 Do you ever regret wearing that vest during the Super Bowl? Yeah, I did.

Speaker 4 I paid for one of my kids' tuition with it. With the vest?

Speaker 1 No, hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Look at that. That's the vest.
Yeah, I remember the vest. It was a starter.

Speaker 4 And they said, hey, we got this. Will you wear this? And I said, yeah, well,

Speaker 4 do I have to wear it? It's indoors.

Speaker 1 Wait, that was the first time you'd worn that vest? Yeah. Oh, come on.

Speaker 4 They came to me.

Speaker 1 Coach, how could you do that?

Speaker 4 Well, they paid me for it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I actually don't mind. The game right there.
Yeah, that's it. The game was decided.

Speaker 4 I still have it. You got a new building here.

Speaker 1 You want it? We'll put it up a little bit. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I would absolutely put it. We'd frame it.
Yes, yes. The vest.
Without a doubt. Out of the two teams where there are openings right now, it's Washington, D.C.
and Carolina.

Speaker 1 Which of those two situations would be more attractive to somebody?

Speaker 4 Well, I think both of them are attractive.

Speaker 4 You have decent rosters on, and this is just my opinion.

Speaker 4 Not going to pick one or the other, but there's decent rosters in both places.

Speaker 4 You know, both of them have somewhat of a quarterback situation. It's a little bit in flux, so they're comparable.

Speaker 4 You don't know what's going to happen with Cam. You've got a young guy that showed he can do some things, And that's also the case there.

Speaker 4 I mean, you got the horrific injury, and then you got Casey Haskins. Now you've got Haskins there.
So, you know,

Speaker 4 there's a lack of stability at that position.

Speaker 4 And, you know, and I only bring that up because, you know, when I was out during the 2011 season, the year that I took off, when I did come back, I was really fortunate that I had an option to choose.

Speaker 4 And I narrowed that down to two. It was Miami, it was St.
Louis. And I ultimately made the decision based on one reason and one reason alone, and that was St.

Speaker 4 Louis because of the quarterback situation. Because at that point, Sam Bradford was coming in the second year.
I love that. Sam was a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 1 He had a great, great rookie season.

Speaker 4 He did. So here I come in, and, you know, previously to

Speaker 4 my arrival there, no team had lost more games in a five-year span than the Rams in NFL history is what I was told.

Speaker 1 We call that

Speaker 4 Chris Long. Yeah, and so, of course, it is.
So, so they're coming off 2-14.

Speaker 4 I come in, and there was a bad football team, and we started building and building, and so we're all excited because we got Sam Bradford.

Speaker 4 And in year one, we were 7-8-1 and 4-1-1 in the division with Sam. I mean, we're on our way.
Guess what happened in year two? Got hurt. And guess what happened in year three?

Speaker 1 Got hurt. Okay.

Speaker 4 And so, you know, you end up, who knows what happened had Sam not gotten hurt. But, you know, that's just the business.

Speaker 4 But if someone's going to choose, they're going to want to go in and choose whichever situation is most stable at the quarterback position or who's got somebody earmarked in mind to go develop.

Speaker 1 I'm curious about this because, you know, we're talking about the coaching position in the NFL, and there's always turnover, and it's always, you know,

Speaker 1 Black Monday when everyone in the season ends. You've been on the other side where you have, you know, had two times where it's kind of ended in Tennessee and then in L.A.

Speaker 4 I'm going to go on the record here. It was my choice in Tennessee.
Okay. So

Speaker 1 in a situation though, so both situations, do you kind of know, do you feel that maybe something's going on

Speaker 1 in the building? Like, are these teams that are coming down the stretch here in the last two weeks and they kind of know like, hey, this is it?

Speaker 1 Like, is it hard to get players to get up and to keep everyone kind of focused?

Speaker 4 It's not at all.

Speaker 4 You don't want to say it's their job, but players aren't going to go out and you know go through pretty good warm-ups and step on the field for the open kickoff not prepared to play and not play hard right now you can you know i can i can watch games and say okay

Speaker 4 this team is playing hard but they lack toughness Okay. That I can see that, but everybody's going to play hard.

Speaker 4 Now, I mean, a great example is just the stuff that you read today with respect to the Falcons, and they're playing for Dan Quinn's job.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he does. That's a cool thing.
So, you know, they're all going to go out and play, but at the end of the day, it's out of their control. And, you know,

Speaker 4 nobody wants to see anybody, well, at least no one in the profession wants to see anybody get relieved of their duties.

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 4 there's those, I think there's those that are out there that kind of like it because it's stuff to talk about.

Speaker 4 And I told you he was going to get in so-and-so, and they're going to guess who's going to be.

Speaker 4 It's part of sports.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're looking at it.

Speaker 1 No, No, no, you're not talking about

Speaker 1 it. Yeah, never say

Speaker 1 we should fire anyone.

Speaker 4 And what the reality is, is that these guys have given their heart and soul and every moment of their time to try to win football games for their team and for the owner, let alone themselves.

Speaker 4 And if they're doing it right,

Speaker 4 personally, it should be the third per that you should be the third reason on the list that you're trying to win games.

Speaker 4 You're doing it for your football team and your owner.

Speaker 4 It's not a self-serving thing.

Speaker 1 But you've got to understand from a fan perspective, when your team stinks, the only recourse you have is to just say fire everyone.

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 4 It gives good. Oh, it does.

Speaker 4 It gives fans hope. Yeah.
It does. But let me ask you the question.
Why is it just happening every three years?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's the revolving door.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So, you know, you get fans hope, and then they get their hope up for a year or two, and then everything's good.

Speaker 4 And now we cycle back again and give them more hope and more hope and you know i mean that's happened all around all around the league philadelphia right now like philadelphia as recently as a week and a half during the game last week i saw it they wanted to fire doug peterson so this guy brought your city a super oh well yeah he but but you guys didn't get the point he forgot how to coach yeah right

Speaker 1 he woke up one morning he forgot how to coach

Speaker 1 right yeah no it's it's it's a compliment to a franchise like the pittsburgh steelers who just never fire coaches and they stick through.

Speaker 4 Well, yeah, but look around. Look at Seattle and New Orleans and New England and up until a few weeks ago, you know, Carolina.

Speaker 4 But those teams that the teams that are

Speaker 4 that are that are building and planning and maintaining, that's hard to do.

Speaker 4 Maintaining is, especially now, well,

Speaker 4 I should say it's probably easier to maintain now than it was back when, particularly because

Speaker 4 we didn't have free agency as you know it now. So you can go out.
It's like Philly was a great example a couple of years ago.

Speaker 4 You know, I had someone call me that was in the industry that said it right the week before the trading deadline that he called me and said, well,

Speaker 4 I got Philly going to the Super Bowl. And I go, well, why is that? He goes, well, they just traded for J.I.
Jay.

Speaker 4 And that's the last missing piece that they needed. And I had them as a Final Four team, but they're going to the Super Bowl now.
Now, this was in October.

Speaker 4 So you can build through free agency if you do it right.

Speaker 4 You know, but so I think

Speaker 4 watching it now, people aren't doing it right.

Speaker 4 You know, you, all right, we want to go get a free agent-wide receiver that had 100 balls last year, and hypothetically, 60 of his balls were slants, okay?

Speaker 4 And he was the pro bowl receiver, but you don't have a slant in your offense, he's not going to fit into your offense, right?

Speaker 4 So, don't go overspend for this guy if you can't, if you don't have a place for him. And it's just a, it's just people have lost track on that.

Speaker 4 And I blame that partly on a lot of the analytic things because people are just, they're making decisions based on numbers, based on height, weight, speed, and these type of things, rather than the old school guys who are sitting there watching these guys play.

Speaker 4 Okay, there's no substitute for putting tape or film or video, whatever you call it now on and watching a guy play.

Speaker 4 There's no substitute. substitute and there's not enough good people in the league that are studying tape.

Speaker 4 I would go on a limb and say there's there's executives in this league that don't know how to watch tape or would rather not watch tape. Just get, if you can go get eight opinions of player A

Speaker 4 and six of them like them and four of them don't, then you like them.

Speaker 4 But if it's split down the middle, then you're going to go on to another player. That's how it's done now.

Speaker 4 And that's why I believe that the teams that are there year after year after year are doing the hard grunt work. It's, you know, you got to shut the door.

Speaker 4 You got to sit down and you got to watch tape. And you got to do that for pro free agency, for draft, for college free agency, and you got to do it on a weekly basis.

Speaker 1 I think there's probably room for both in the same equation. So you just described like a free agent, a wide receiver that you're thinking about bringing in.
He runs slants all the time.

Speaker 1 And your playbook doesn't feature those. I mean, what you're describing is, yeah, you can watch Philly and pick that up.

Speaker 1 It's also helpful to have somebody quantify that and say, hey, 55% of his catches were on slant routes.

Speaker 1 And then you know, okay, maybe we shouldn't give him a five-year, $35 million contract because he doesn't fit into what we do philosophically as our team, because we only run slant patterns with our outside wide receivers 5% of the time.

Speaker 1 Right. But there's room for both, too.

Speaker 4 There is. And I just brought up a hypothetical scenario to simplify it.
That, I mean, you got to to get the right guy. You got to plug the right guys into your systems.

Speaker 4 Now, which guys are easier to plug in? Well, they're probably, the further away from the ball they are, the probably easier they are to plug in your system.

Speaker 4 The wire receivers, the corners, you know, those kind of guys. So, but it's, you know, people need to do the work, and I don't think the work's getting done.

Speaker 1 Have you seen, so Herm Edwards obviously went down to Arizona State, has had a lot of success. You've seen some guys go from the pro game to the college game.

Speaker 1 Do you see you have any interest kind of in that or seeing maybe a program being like, I'd like to, even if you're not a head coach, like go and, you know, help out and be part of a college program going forward?

Speaker 4 Well, I have, I spent quite a bit of time, I think, since I was here last, on the college game.

Speaker 4 Not necessarily studying different teams, but just in general, you know, the, you know, the recruiting and the compliance and all those things, the organizations and, you know, the,

Speaker 4 you know, the personnel departments, who's got the bigger personnel departments, who's doing a better job, and who's getting these guys, and

Speaker 4 who's not getting the guys, and who's recruited, and why, and who's not recruited, and why not. And so, yeah, there's some themes to it.

Speaker 4 Coaching's coaching.

Speaker 4 I think there's a misconception out there, and I'm not

Speaker 4 saying this personally, but people say, well, you never recruited.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 someone that says something along those lines with respect to a directed towards an NFL guy that's looking at college,

Speaker 4 I think is pretty simple-minded because

Speaker 4 as NFL guys, we're on college campuses all the time during the spring.

Speaker 4 There is an element of recruiting that takes place through free agency, but it's different.

Speaker 4 But the point is, is that we get these kids four years out of three years or four years after they've entered the university. Okay.

Speaker 4 And for all intents and purposes, these guys have come into the university with clean slates, looking forward to being student athletes, and leave the university with some issues

Speaker 4 that they're bringing to the NFL. Those are what we deal with all the time in the NFL, whatever those issues are.
And

Speaker 4 their background checks, their character checks, and all those things that you do prior to the draft. And so the attraction to me with respect to the college game is to be able to go get a young man

Speaker 4 as he enters the university before he makes some decisions that affect him later in life and help guide him with respect to those decisions.

Speaker 4 Because did you see that? I saw the commercial. I thought it was Jerry Rice.

Speaker 4 I got just a clip of it, but he was saying 45,000 or so people going to universities, but only whatever X the number was are going to end up in the NFL. Did you you see that commercial recently?

Speaker 1 I know who that's that. Okay, Enterprise.

Speaker 4 Yeah, oh, is that what it is? Okay, well,

Speaker 4 it's the truth. And, you know, everybody steps on campus wherever to have an opportunity to get to the NFL.
The fact of the matter is, and the reality is it's not going to happen.

Speaker 4 So why not go in there and help turn these young men into adult, mature adults? Right. You know, that to me is the attraction of college football and then competing and doing all those other things.

Speaker 4 But I just think

Speaker 4 it's really been interesting for me just to stand outside and watch it. My oldest son was a defensive coordinator at the Big Sky Conference this past season.
So I made five of his games.

Speaker 4 And I was there during spring training, there during camp, and I got to see it all happen. Now, granted, it's a smaller conference,

Speaker 4 but it's good football. And, you know, you just multiply that by 10 to the big stage, the power fives and everything, and take it.

Speaker 1 So along those same lines,

Speaker 1 I saw an an article that you were quoted in not too long ago about social media and how you're pro like players using social media.

Speaker 1 Do you, there was also the Saban Belichick clip that went around that was basically like, you don't need social media.

Speaker 1 Have you seen that evolve as like, hey, look, the guys are going to do what they're going to do?

Speaker 1 You've always kind of been like a player coach where you're going to let your guys be your guys and you don't see it as like an issue at all. You know, well,

Speaker 4 here's an example.

Speaker 4 Back when, when you stood up and talked about just the general media relations to your football team, and it's that presentation you do at training camp week day three or day four, just talk about media relations.

Speaker 4 One of the things that you say is how important it is to

Speaker 4 be positive and speak the truth and smile, you know, all those things on camera. And, you know, but don't be one of those guys that is that

Speaker 4 leak, leak,

Speaker 4 that source and things like that. Because this is what can happen.

Speaker 4 You can tell somebody off the record something, and he tells someone who tells someone, who tells someone who now runs it, and now it's tracked back to you, and we got a problem in the locker room.

Speaker 4 But the point is, is that that's a 30-minute conversation, maybe a reminder once or twice during the year. And that's back in the old days.
Now,

Speaker 4 it's got to be a

Speaker 4 continual educational process with respect to social media because you've seen where social media can get you in trouble with respect to what you say and what you don't say.

Speaker 4 It's happened, unfortunately, this week.

Speaker 4 A really good player in the National Football League was let go, one that I drafted.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because of something that he said or posted. And so, you know, there's just, you just have to spend more time in it.
And it's just things change. Times are changed.
You have to spend more time in it.

Speaker 4 But to get back to your question, I'm not opposed to it. You know, I took it on my shoulders just in the last eight or ten months.
And I mean, it's important. It's the way we operate now.

Speaker 4 But there are also a lot of other things that

Speaker 4 need to be discussed with respect to the players. They're different.
You know, they don't, I mean, every player in the National Football League, I say every, but most of them have sleeping disorders.

Speaker 4 And you go, oh, they got sleep apnea? No, no. They just don't go to sleep early because they're on their phone.

Speaker 1 I have that.

Speaker 1 You do. Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 4 So, are you, how productive are you at 6 o'clock in the morning?

Speaker 1 What? Oh, yeah. In slash A, not applicable.
Perfect. Okay.

Speaker 4 Well, that's the players nowadays, they're up a little bit longer than they were in years past. So why start the day at 6 in the morning? Start it a little bit longer.

Speaker 4 And, you know, then the other thing is that we did in St. Louis that I got a kick out of that some other people have picked up on.
But, you know, we took their, in St. Louis and L.A., you know,

Speaker 4 take their cell phones and put them in a basket in the hallway. You know, turn them off, okay? But studies have shown that it's 25 minutes max in a classroom environment.
That's it.

Speaker 4 Because on minute 26, their mind is what's on my phone in the hallway. And any other information that's being fed to them has got no chance of sinking in.
So give them a phone break.

Speaker 4 Let them go out check out. Colesbury had that.

Speaker 1 He was kind of criticized for that, right? People were like, oh, he's giving. He stole that from Coach Fisher.
Yeah. Look at him.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 When you saw that story come out, you were like, you son of a bitch. No, I didn't.

Speaker 4 I didn't at all.

Speaker 4 I had indirectly had some conversation. Regarding that, I want everybody to be successful, especially your alma mater, and he was there for a very

Speaker 1 coffee.

Speaker 4 But you want everybody to be successful there. But it's just common sense things.
That's all it is.

Speaker 4 And, you know, Bill's, I love to sit in some of Coach Belichick's meetings when he's talking about that, talking about it. It's common sense stuff.
You know, don't hurt the football team.

Speaker 4 Put the team first, and you are a member of this team, and we don't need distractions. I mean, distractions

Speaker 4 will tear apart your locker room, and they're debilitating, and you can avoid most of them. And it's your ability to deal with them really determines your success.

Speaker 4 And they come in all shapes and sizes and colors and everything, a distraction. It can be a move in the franchise.
It could be an arrest. It could be

Speaker 4 I want the ball more or whatever it is. Or I didn't really say that.
I didn't mean that, but now all of a sudden things come up and it's how you go about dealing with them.

Speaker 1 So one thing that I like about you is that

Speaker 1 you have very confident opinions in most things.

Speaker 1 You have a philosophy on most things. And I want to know, like, what is your general philosophy on life? Because you seem to know.

Speaker 1 exactly what you want, exactly what you don't like about nearly every single topic that we've ever brought up to you. So like just from a broad background, are you a spiritual guy? guy? Yes.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I am. I was raised that way, and I had spirituality in my life that increased over time.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Is it a personal thing? Yeah, it's a personal thing. Do I preach? No, I don't.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 I'm family-oriented.

Speaker 4 I believe you have to take time off what you do. I was talking to somebody last night in a phone conversation that's very, very successful in his business.

Speaker 4 And I said, have you taken some time for yourself? He goes, no, I'm too busy. I'm having fun, but I will eventually.
Well, you need to have that time.

Speaker 4 And I always have been one that I didn't bring work home with me. Now, I may stay late at the office.
You know, I stayed until I got the work done, but I wouldn't bring it home with me.

Speaker 4 I didn't have a...

Speaker 4 viewing station at my house that I had kids in the house, you know, and stuff. So don't take it home with you.
When you leave, leave. And I always was,

Speaker 4 I

Speaker 4 players and coaches, everybody, to know how important family time was and off time was and be able to plan for it and take advantage of it and kind of family-oriented kind of a person

Speaker 4 because

Speaker 4 I think that's important.

Speaker 1 It's grounding, you know.

Speaker 4 And, you know, yo, you can be crazy and have fun. And

Speaker 4 nobody likes to, you ask some of the guys, Chris Long, and some of the guys that I've had over the time. Nobody likes to joke around

Speaker 4 and prank and do things

Speaker 4 more than I do. I mean, I love guys having fun.
The bottom line is this. You know, anybody that comes to work has the right to park if you drive or when you get out to run in the building because

Speaker 4 you can't wait to get there because you're looking forward to coming to work. Okay, that's a good job.
And

Speaker 4 I think in time we have too many people in leadership positions that don't create that environment. Because people do their best when they're looking forward to

Speaker 4 coming to work and they're fired up. And, you know, and

Speaker 4 the thing that I learned real quickly about life in the National Football League as a head coach is that, you know, you're all fired up.

Speaker 4 You get in the office and you can't wait to get there and you're going to get all this stuff done. And then

Speaker 4 for the next two hours, you have that unanticipated stuff that comes up.

Speaker 4 This problem or that issue, or, you know, I've said this many times. Mom wants a different color escalade today,

Speaker 4 two days before a playoff game, and she wants it now. And your starting quarterback can't focus on the game plan because mom's wearing them out.

Speaker 4 I mean, that's so things come up, and it's your ability to deal with them.

Speaker 4 And I was, and I said this, and I probably said this on this show, but when I took over as the head coach for the Houston Ollers in 1994 as interim, 95, my first year, 80% of my stuff was X's and O's and 20% of my stuff was there's stuff that happens, that comes up, the anticipated.

Speaker 4 But you can make a case that when I left, it was flipped.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, with the move and everything.

Speaker 4 Everything.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so what it comes down to is your job as a leader, as a head coach, is to make sure that

Speaker 4 they are emotionally, mentally, physically,

Speaker 4 spiritually, whatever, prepared for the day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's interesting. That's it.

Speaker 4 Because if they are, then you're going to get the most out of them each day. Because the coach speak is, well, we're just going to get better today.
Right. You know, well, that's

Speaker 4 easier said than done.

Speaker 4 You know, how do you go about that doing it? Create the environment where they can do that. And, you know, you look around the league, guys aren't being.
taught technique now.

Speaker 4 You look at college, some of the colleges that are struggling, the programs that are struggling, they're not developing players. They're not getting the technique that they need.

Speaker 4 They're not emphasizing special teams or whatever it is. There's reasons for lack of success different places.
All right.

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Speaker 1 Okay, my last question.

Speaker 1 I've always wondered this. The

Speaker 1 time

Speaker 1 when all the coaches get together in the league meetings.

Speaker 1 It's like sometime in April, March, you're out in Florida or Arizona. You guys all get a picture together.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 1 What is that picture like?

Speaker 4 Well, it's ever-changing, as you would imagine. I took it for 20 years, and

Speaker 4 I have every single one of them.

Speaker 1 Okay. Are they on your wall? I do too.

Speaker 4 I don't. They're not on my wall.
No, I don't really have anything on my walls.

Speaker 1 That's a perfect coach thing out there. You just have them like on the ground leaning up.

Speaker 4 No, there's I got some cool masters flags that are signed by masters winners on the ground ready to go up on the wall. But if there's anything I collect, it's that.
But

Speaker 4 it was

Speaker 4 really cool. I mean, you know, way back when the head coaches that were in this league, I mean, Marty Schottenheimer and Dan Reeves, you know, and then, you know, when I left,

Speaker 4 there were just a few left. Right.

Speaker 1 But when you have that conversation, was there ever like who gets to sit where, alpha, like, oh, I get this seat or I get to stand here?

Speaker 4 No, it's usually, hey, guys, who are we missing? You know, who's not here? Well, he's not at the meeting, so we only have 31. Okay, we got 30.
Who's missing? And then it was for years.

Speaker 4 It was, does anybody know where Gruden is?

Speaker 1 You know, go check the closest hooters.

Speaker 4 Yeah, where's the mirror? He's in front of a mirror making faces.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you put you in front of the sun every time, too, so you guys look terrible. You can't wear glasses.
Can't wear glasses, staring at the sun.

Speaker 1 Maybe a long night the night before the treatment store.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and we're supposed to tee off in 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because we never had anything to do with the meetings because we always passed all the rules.

Speaker 1 You're just there for the picture. Yeah, there for the picture.
Was there a gentleman's agreement that only Andy Reid would get to wear a Hawaiian shirt?

Speaker 4 Hawaiian shirt and shorts.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, yes. Just Andy's.
Always, always, always.

Speaker 1 All right, well, coach. I got one last question.
Oh, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 So, hypothetically, if you were a former NFL coach and you were maybe looking to be gainfully employed in the next football season, would a person like that consider a general management position?

Speaker 4 A person could, but this person wouldn't.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 What about an owner? Would they consider being an owner?

Speaker 1 Just right.

Speaker 1 Just give you a football team? Yeah.

Speaker 4 That would be difficult.

Speaker 1 Okay. You're turning down an ownership.
You won't.

Speaker 4 A lot of my money's been spent on fishing.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.

Speaker 4 That makes sense.

Speaker 1 Oh, I actually have one last last question. Okay.
Your dog kisses the fish.

Speaker 4 Yes, you saw that.

Speaker 1 Durkee. Yeah, Durkee.
Oh my God. His dog, when he catches a fish, he has the dog kiss the fish

Speaker 1 before catch and release. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How does your dog not go crazy trying to eat the fish?

Speaker 4 I trained him. I had him when he was six weeks, and I trained him.
He goes wherever I go. And he's in the drift boat.
He's with me wherever. And we catch a fish, and he gets excited.

Speaker 4 He's actually a bird dog, a retriever type, but he loves to go fishing, and he just gets it. And yeah, that actually was a picture of my fishing with my brother this fall.
And

Speaker 4 I said, hey, let Dirky kiss it. And he called Dirk over and Dirky kissed it.
And I happened to take the picture just as this.

Speaker 1 He's licking it. They're licking or making it out.
Yeah, he's licking it.

Speaker 4 But the point is, is that fish was back in the water in 20 seconds, man. And we released those fish.

Speaker 1 Does the fish ever get weirded out? That, like, hey, a dog's making out with me right now?

Speaker 4 I don't know. There's probably some that I've caught a second time, but I haven't asked.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they're like, oh, not again. Yeah.
Dirk goes back to the fire. They spare the dog.

Speaker 1 They go back down. They're like, you'll never believe the afternoon I just said.

Speaker 4 You're not going to use

Speaker 4 a dog tongue as a fly.

Speaker 1 That's for sure. Right, right.
I just got to second base with some mammal. Yeah, I keep trying to bite these worms and end up with my dog tongue down.

Speaker 4 Thanks for bringing Dirk up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's my boy. He looks like a good dog.
Yeah. All right.
Well, coach, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 Thank you, guys. Always a pleasure here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and good luck, and we'll keep in touch for sure.

Speaker 4 Likewise, thank you. Have a great holiday, you guys, and the listeners.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 4 Say I love you guys. Dirky loves you guys.

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Speaker 1 All right, let's do some segments, and then we'll get to guys on chicks. First up, we have a this league.
So you have one, and I have one. Go ahead, you start.
So Dan Mullen's

Speaker 1 leagues.

Speaker 1 This leagues.

Speaker 1 This leagues. In the SEC, Dan Mullen was talking about

Speaker 1 what? This league. Who's league? Whom's this league?

Speaker 1 Who's on league?

Speaker 1 First.

Speaker 1 Whose leagues is? That's classic Abbott and Costello routine right there.

Speaker 1 This is about the SEC. Dan Mullen, head coach of Florida, the Gators, he was talking about how he likes to have fun.
He doesn't get enough of a rep as being like one of the fun SEC coaches.

Speaker 1 Maybe go fuck a shark, Dan. Maybe get a picture of you fucking a shark, then we'll start talking about you.

Speaker 1 Well, he does have his wife kiss every player.

Speaker 4 That's true.

Speaker 1 Well, his wife has fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fun family. Yeah, really fun family.
So he was saying he likes to have fun. Maybe not Joey Freshwater fun, but he likes to have fun.

Speaker 1 And you'll recall, Joey Freshwater was the name that Lane Kiffen was allegedly using for himself going to Alabama bars, hitting on various women, allegedly, and telling them that his name was Joey Freshwater, which is such a great name.

Speaker 1 It's that in Ron Mexico for greatest aliases of all time. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Who's this Ron Mexico again?

Speaker 1 Michael Viff, after he was trying to get STD checks. Uh-huh.
And then the NFL denied anyone making a custom Ron Mexico jersey.

Speaker 1 So Dan Mullen and Lane Kiffen now have a rivalry. Now they got beef going.
Yeah. Thankfully, the SEC has a terrible scheduling situation, so they might not play for like 20 more years.
Ever.

Speaker 1 But I love this because this is why we wanted Lane Kiffen back. Yeah.
It's perfect. It contributes to the soap opera.
Maybe they'll run into each other coaching at a senior bowl or something. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they'll get into a bar fight. No, Dan Mullen will just like, well,

Speaker 1 Dan Mullen better not have his wife around. Let's just say that.
Yeah. Because she's already going to kiss him.
That's almost too easy for Lane, though. Lane likes to thrill the chase a little bit.

Speaker 1 That's true. He can kiss her anytime he wants.

Speaker 1 All right. So my this league is the Warriors were named Team of the Decade.
We're doing end of the decade list. We're going to do one for our mega episode.

Speaker 1 But we have the Warriors as the Team of the Decade. They tweeted out like a recap of the decade.

Speaker 1 Every single year was like pictures, not one picture with Kevin Durant in it.

Speaker 1 This league.

Speaker 1 Omitted from history. A little passive aggressive.
Stephen. Little ballhog aggressive there.
It's insane.

Speaker 1 Just forgot about the guy who won two NBA

Speaker 1 finals MVPs. Yeah, so how many shots of Draymond were there? A lot? There was a few.
Actually, the more important, how many shots of JaVail were included in this team?

Speaker 1 I don't know if there was, there were a couple of team pictures, so maybe. I don't know how they got the team pictures without they just airbrushed him out.

Speaker 1 They just used, well, they used the team picture when he wasn't on the team, then they used the like shots of the sideline when he was on the team. So this league.
I also

Speaker 1 should have also given credit to Mark Jackson for putting that team together. True.
And then those are basically his championship. John Nelson has been there.

Speaker 1 He'll remind you that Mark Jackson was really the architect of these Golden State Warriors. Saw greatness in them.
All right. Next up, we have a PR 101 for our good friend, John Rostein.

Speaker 1 So he is in a little, the internet, I wouldn't even say it's a big deal, but it probably is because John Rosstein takes his job seriously, which isn't a bad thing.

Speaker 1 But anyway.

Speaker 6 It's definitely not a big deal.

Speaker 1 Not a big deal.

Speaker 1 There was a someone FOIA.

Speaker 1 The intercollegiate FOIA

Speaker 1 John Rostein's text messages to coaches because there was a rumor, which I think is just something we've said. I think we said that he texts every coach saying good luck.

Speaker 1 But he FOIAed the text message conversations John Rossine has had with various coaches in college basketball. And John Rossine texts good luck to the coach on the day of a game.

Speaker 1 And the FOIA showed that there were many coaches that just never replied. Fred Hoiberg, I'm looking at you.
A lot of them did reply, though, and say, hey, thanks, John.

Speaker 1 So now everyone's saying this is very unjournalist of him because he shouldn't be saying good luck to coaches. Why? But if he's wishing good luck to both sides.
Everyone.

Speaker 1 And he just wants everyone to play well. It's just

Speaker 1 so petty. People are coming after our guy.
It's sad that in this day and age, people get made fun of for using manners. Yeah.
And so texting a coach before a game, good luck, coach.

Speaker 1 And also, this doesn't even cover all the universities that you can't FOIA, like Duke University. It's not like he's saying he's.
I'm sure him and Coach K go back and forth multiple times a day.

Speaker 1 He's not saying he's rooting for them. He's just saying good luck.
Yeah, good luck. Hope there's no injuries.
That's a nice thing thing to say.

Speaker 1 And so I don't know why people are... If anyone has a big deal with this, come fight us.

Speaker 1 Come fight us. To our office, come fight us.
I will fight us. I will actually punch somebody.
I will too. At once.
You want to fight somebody? Yeah, I'll fight someone.

Speaker 1 If you have a problem with John Ross Dean texting, good luck, and most of the time getting left just completely ignored by the coach, come fight us. I will fight you.

Speaker 1 Also, it's just, me and Bubba were talking about this earlier. I don't...
You have to be a total psycho to have your red receipts, your read receipts on, right? Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 1 But Bubba bubbo loves having his read receipts on he doesn't understand why anybody doesn't damn it's because you want to ghost people sometimes bubbo you got to be mysterious keep them on their toes then they get the point they know exactly what you're doing if you leave them on red so you do it on purpose you just like being mean to you're more mean than than i am i like being mean but them not knowing that i'm being mean savage bruv i mean yes

Speaker 6 that's like petty wars by you yeah that that's the type of guy i am anyone who texts you you petty wars him i petty wars him all the time also like i mentally sometimes will just like i read read a text message and then I answer it in my brain, but I forget to text the person back.

Speaker 6 And then like eight hours later, I'm like, oh, fuck. But I wouldn't want them to be like, oh, he read this.
What an asshole.

Speaker 1 I actually, you know what? I will, in fairness to journalism, I will say I have one problem with John Rossien doing this. If a coach doesn't reply like three or four times,

Speaker 1 he should text them being like, worst of luck today, and see what they say. Just kind of

Speaker 1 combo on her. Yeah, right, exactly.
Be like, oh, now I have your attention. Yeah, you didn't like it when I you didn't appreciate the fact that I was just wishing you luck.
Now you get bad luck.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just the old trick in college, like write Mary Had a Little Lamb in the middle of one of your essays and see if a professor even reads it. No chance.
Yeah. No chance.

Speaker 1 So we got your back, John Rosteen. Open invite to anyone who is mad about this.
Genuinely mad. You know what? To actually be mad, we will fight you.
Well, Big Cat will fight you.

Speaker 1 No, you said you punched someone too. Well, if he beats you up, then I'll fight him.
No, come on, man.

Speaker 1 You wish me good luck.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll text you and say good luck against

Speaker 1 this nerd. What's the guy's name that's going to fight us? We don't know.
Hypothetically. There can't be anyone who actually cares.
Who's mad about this? There cannot be. Dockich.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Dockich, no chance. Well, I'll tell you who's probably mad about it now, that they know that they're going to get some clout by fighting you, is their good friend Doug Gottlieb.

Speaker 1 We'll just pretend to be mad about it. Yeah, okay.
No, but they can't pretend to be mad. They have to be genuinely mad.

Speaker 1 I have to look in your eyes and have you be like, yes, I am offended by the the fact that John Rosting texts good luck to every single coach in America.

Speaker 1 Doug's only mad because he's not a coach, right? And so he doesn't get the text messages from.

Speaker 1 Maybe that would be the new way to announce hiring.

Speaker 1 Is John Rossing text you? Good luck. Good luck, coach.
That's how you know you got the. Yeah, that's it.
There you go.

Speaker 6 FOIA sounds like what Mike Pornoy would say if you gave him the word foyer. FOIA.
Yeah. That doesn't sound like it's pronounced.

Speaker 1 That's where you hang your hat up. FOIA.

Speaker 1 All right. Last up before we get to guys on Italian for some reason.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Way to stay relevant in baseball. So there's a new rule, and it is that every pitcher has to face three batters.
Is that right? Yeah. So you can't bring in a lefty specialist.

Speaker 1 Is it been officially enacted? Nobody knows when things are going to be doing in baseball. They just say a lot of shit offseason.
That makes no sense. It's the ultimate way to stay relevant.

Speaker 1 It's not the same players of the world.

Speaker 6 The submarine pitching industry?

Speaker 1 Yeah. The sub-industry?

Speaker 1 You know who else was concerned about the sub-industry? Who? The H-Man. Ooh.
H-Man. We don't talk about it yet.
We don't talk about it.

Speaker 1 I like this rule. I don't like it, too.
I like it. It's designed to speed the game up.

Speaker 1 But I think baseball has become too focused on like their... They think their one issue with baseball is the fact that some people think it takes too long.
And that's not people's issue with baseball.

Speaker 1 No, it's not. But I like this rule because I just like the idea.

Speaker 1 I actually think they should go one further and a pitcher gets in the game and they have to finish the inning because it would be so funny watching a pitcher just die out there and give up a million home runs and be like this guy doesn't have it i think they should just make one position player pitch one inning every game i i'm okay with that as well you get to select what inning it is i'm okay with that as well if so if you were if you were in charge of a team would you have your guy like lead off like first inning your pitches get out of the way yeah would you wait to see how the game developed probably

Speaker 1 or would you just convert some of your pitchers to position players so then you can like your bullpen you basically make your bullpen your outfield but then they have to bat yeah So you just only draft guy.

Speaker 1 She Otani becomes the most powerful guy in all of baseball. Like Brendan Fraser in that movie where he's on the game.
He's in Nebraska. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Through the perfect game. Yeah.
Yeah. And hit the perfect game too.
People don't forget.

Speaker 1 Guys on Chicks Hank.

Speaker 6 Hey, guys. So I recently bought my husband the short-sleeve part of my take sweatshirt, and he looks amazing in it.
He wears it all the time, and I can't get enough of it. Great purchase.

Speaker 6 Just wanted to say thank you for creating such a great,

Speaker 6 interesting design.

Speaker 1 Where could they buy that?

Speaker 6 And I heard that you guys are close to hitting a bonus if you sell a few more.

Speaker 6 So I just wanted to rate this and let you guys know that it's a great shirt.

Speaker 1 She's really plugged into all the info.

Speaker 1 You left out the second part of the email, though, when she was like, we're having so much sex. Way more sex, way better sex.
Because

Speaker 6 every day he wears it, we have sex. Yeah, every day.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It says a lucky shirt.
When I see the sleeves get cut off, I know I'm about to roll up his other sleeves.

Speaker 1 All sex. He jumps, he stands up on the bed and he gets going.

Speaker 6 So, yeah, but if you want want to get one, you can on the Barcelon Sports Store.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. They're a really good story.
That's crazy that night. That was seamless.

Speaker 6 I know. I just love it.
It's one of those things where it's like, they almost read my mind. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Sup, boys. It'll be my boyfriend and I's two-year anniversary on Friday.
He told me we were going out to a really nice restaurant, and then afterwards, we were seeing Star Wars.

Speaker 6 I really don't want to go see Star Wars, but I also think he might propose that night. So do I agree to see Star Wars in hopes that he proposes?

Speaker 6 Because if I say no to stars, he definitely won't propose that night.

Speaker 1 Wait, this has to be the lowest floor, highest ceiling night of all time.

Speaker 1 You can either, you actually think there's a chance you're getting proposed to, or it could literally be dressing up to go see Star Wars.

Speaker 1 Is dressing up part of the

Speaker 1 dress up nice?

Speaker 1 But dress up, oh, yeah, putting on like a nice

Speaker 1 story.

Speaker 1 We are going to

Speaker 1 play a do your hair like Princess Leia. Get dressed up as Jar Jar Binks.

Speaker 1 I'll be the guy with the lightsaber.

Speaker 1 Misa wear a white dress. This is going to be,

Speaker 1 but we need a follow-up. Yeah, so I need a follow-up.
You know what it sounds to me like? So sometimes guys, we've set such a low expectation for ourselves that we can kind of turn into sometimes.

Speaker 1 So it might be a situation where he's like,

Speaker 1 we're going to go out to a nice dinner. We're going to go out to Star Wars because I know you love Star Wars, but he knows in your head.

Speaker 1 that you don't love Star Wars and you think he's dumb enough to actually think that that's a great night and then he's just going to surprise you with the engagement.

Speaker 1 And Star Wars isn't even on the plate. Okay, alternatively, there's definitely a chance he really is just that dumb.
Of course.

Speaker 1 And this all becomes just Star Wars night, and you guys are going to break up. I love this.
I love the, like, I need an update. So please, please update us.
That's fantastic.

Speaker 1 This guy is totally going to fuck up and just be like, what?

Speaker 1 I wasn't proposed. We've only been dating two years.

Speaker 6 Hi, PMT, guys, especially all of you.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 6 My husband and I are both big listeners, and I just want to say that even though it was kind of a gag on the show, you never know where motivation will come from because my husband was 230 pounds in January, is 180 today.

Speaker 6 Hell yeah. As 2019 comes to a close, hashtag year of the core.

Speaker 1 Very cool. Whoa,

Speaker 1 he actually had someone who did year of the core. That's what he said.

Speaker 6 I know it's kind of a gag on the show, but you never know what motivation will come from.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Year of the core.
So

Speaker 1 you said it so many times that it was ingrained in his head, and he's like,

Speaker 1 2020, tune in. I will be unveiling what 2020 is.
I don't know yet.

Speaker 1 I already know what I'm doing for 2020. Okay.
I'm going to say I'm going to get a six-pack and I'm not going to get one. Okay.
Well, I'm going to. That's the year.

Speaker 1 I'm going to have a hashtag. We'll do a hashtag

Speaker 1 towards the end.

Speaker 1 I don't really know. I might unveil it at the end of 2020.
You know what? It's going to be the year of the quad for me. There you go.
I'm going to just get those.

Speaker 1 Size are getting huge. You'd probably hit the whole harder.
You'll be able to tackle me real easy.

Speaker 1 I don't understand.

Speaker 6 give it your best shot. Hey, Slim Cat, D's, Nats, and Cheating Beard Hank.

Speaker 1 Cheating beard, Hank.

Speaker 1 I don't know what that means. Cheating.
Why are you cheating? You got a beard that makes you cheat on something?

Speaker 6 Maybe my beard is cheating because it makes me so attractive.

Speaker 1 Wait, did you cheat on something? Oh, cheating beard Hank isn't it covers your chin?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think at one point you're like, oh, it's cheating that you have a beard.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Okay.

Speaker 6 My fiancé has his bachelor party this weekend and won't tell me what he's doing after dinner Saturday night. I think he's going to a strip club.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 6 which I am not okay with.

Speaker 1 Is it okay for me to creep on his.

Speaker 1 Is it okay for me to creep?

Speaker 6 Is it okay for me to creep on his iPhone location to see if he's in chat going to a strip club?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're going to boo you. Listen, I'm not a strip club guy.
Everyone knows everyone has a strip club friend. Everyone has a strip club friend.

Speaker 1 The guy who's, you'll have a random Friday night and it will be like nine o'clock. Strip club, guys? Want to go to a strip club? I've never been that guy.

Speaker 1 I've probably been to like two strip clubs in the last five years. Boo.
No.

Speaker 1 You can't be location tracking him on his bachelor party. Yeah.
So that's insane.

Speaker 1 He really fucked us up, though. I'm going to blame him for this situation.
He just said he's going to start.

Speaker 1 Because what he should do is have an excuse ready. Like that's that's day one stuff is like you say we're going to answer.
What do you say though? You can say we're going to a club. Boom.

Speaker 1 Going to a club. People might strip out.
Done. And then oops, my phone ran out of battery, so my location sharing's off.

Speaker 1 you got to have you have to be ready to give an explanation before you ask that question i think it's not on you for asking location sharing comes up you should always try and get out of that that should never be something that is

Speaker 1 going to be like that's just that's what setting yourself up for a disaster i've shared i've shared location but that's crazy having it on all the time what's the point that's crazy relationships are built on trust dude exactly exactly exactly exactly trust exactly trust but you don't need location service trust but therapy george w bush did that and we found those fucking WMDs.

Speaker 1 This literally is a situation where I don't even know if you should get married if you can't trust him for one night to go to a strip club.

Speaker 1 He's way too drunk. I do blame him, though, for putting himself in this situation.
Yeah, for getting location verified. You should just say, like,

Speaker 1 I have a plan in place for my night when she asked me what I did on my own bachelor party. Yes.
That's day one stuff.

Speaker 1 So it's not your fault for being mad at him if he goes to a strip club when you told him not to.

Speaker 4 Just let him go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you should let him go. him go.
Nothing really happens. But if you're not okay with it, just nothing happens.
You shouldn't go. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Hi, Big Cat PFT and Hunky Hank. My husband and I just recently had our first kid.

Speaker 1 It's Chunky Hank. Let's see there.

Speaker 6 Every time I go to breastfeed our son, my husband always says, let daddy get a titty too.

Speaker 1 Guy humorous.

Speaker 6 I tell him to stop, and that it's weird for him to say that stuff, but he just makes jokes. I like that.

Speaker 6 The worst one yet was when he said, I just want to pony up on a boob and drink with my little Eskimo bro.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 They are Eskimo bros. Wait, wait.
So his

Speaker 1 son are, I guess they've both been in the virus. They both died in the same vagina.

Speaker 1 In and out of the vagina. That's what.
So nobody's born a virgin.

Speaker 6 Can you shame him so he'll stop this madness? No.

Speaker 1 I think that's guy humor, keeping it light. It's very stressful to have a newborn, so you've got to keep it light in the house.

Speaker 1 So keep going.

Speaker 1 Or shut him up and give him a tit. Have you had a taste? No.

Speaker 1 Hell no. Really? I don't.
I've drank breast milk before. Hank has, too.
He drank his aunt's breast milk. Wait.
All right. Wait, wait.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you the story one quick time, and then we'll get out of the show.

Speaker 1 This is old school. No, no, that's the end of the show.
I love you guys. This is old school.
I'll explain.

Speaker 6 We were at a cave house. I was on a family trip.
My whole family was there.

Speaker 6 My cousin had just been born, my girl cousin.

Speaker 6 Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, I guess it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 Only chicks drink breast milk. I was going.
So

Speaker 1 I was at a fucking cave house that wasn't.

Speaker 6 It wasn't my own personal refrigerator. I wasn't as familiar with it.
And I made a bowl of cereal, and I opened the fridge, and there was like a container.

Speaker 6 It wasn't a milk, it was just like a Tupperware-type canteen container thing with milk in it. So I took it, poured it in my cereal, and then I ate it.
I was like, that was disgusting.

Speaker 6 I think that milk is bad. And my dad was like, what milk?

Speaker 1 That milk and I gave it.

Speaker 6 He was like, that was not milk milk. So, yes, I had a bowl of cereal from my aunt's breast milk.

Speaker 1 That wasn't the milk.

Speaker 1 We've got a bowl outside. I have a cow.
You remember that from Kingpin? Yeah. You drank semen by mistake.
That's another classic gag.

Speaker 1 Let's end it here. But that was, yeah.
Hank drank his ants' breast milk. That happened.
It's full of nutrition, though. In fact, now I'm just thinking out loud.

Speaker 1 Brotein should have traces of breast milk in it. Hank's ants' breast milk.

Speaker 1 Hank's ants' breast milk in it. And if you just, I guarantee, if we just talk about how nutrition, nutritious breast milk is

Speaker 1 it'll be the next thing. Absolutely.
Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Don't king away.

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't know what I'm to say and change anyway.

Speaker 1 Today's a night

Speaker 1 to find you

Speaker 1 shine away.

Speaker 1 Oh, I've been coming for your love of three.