Disgraced NBA Ref Tim Donaghy, Phil Rivers Career May Be Done + The Internet Is Poisoning Our Brains

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Speaker 9 On today's part in my take, we have the 15th anniversary of the Malice at the Palace. And we have the guy who was there, who officiated it, Tim Donaghy.

Speaker 12 You might know him from some other stuff.

Speaker 8 We talk about all of it.

Speaker 8 The entire betting scandal, how pissed David Stern was, how the Malice at the Palace happened.

Speaker 14 We have all that. We have...

Speaker 1 Let's say we're going to put maybe Phil Rivers' career six feet under.

Speaker 18 It's kind of over.

Speaker 19 Hot seat, cool thrown.

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Speaker 6 Today is Wednesday, November 20th, and Philip Rivers is done.

Speaker 28 D-O-N-E done.

Speaker 29 D-E-A-D dead.

Speaker 23 It's over. Tombstone just says, dag nab it.

Speaker 2 Mother freaker.

Speaker 4 I tried.

Speaker 8 tried yeah that's all it's dumb it was and he did try oh he tried so monday night football in mexico which was uh i love the nfl i love the the the peter kings of the world we talked about on monday saying that uh miles garrett attacking mason rudolph was the grossest thing he's ever seen and a harm to players safety and then we watched monday night football where they played on a sandbox and anyone could have gotten hurt at any moment because no one could grip And we're like, hey, this is great.

Speaker 35 We're growing the game.

Speaker 23 It looked like a dog park.

Speaker 23 It looks like one of those dog parks that you take your dog to, and they're running around, and you're like, we should really leave this park now because one of these dogs is going to tear an ACL.

Speaker 23 It was turf flying everywhere. But player safety.
Player safety first. They didn't change the location of this game.
They didn't, maybe

Speaker 23 last year they made Mexico sign a waiver at the last minute. And they're like, well, no, we got to change the location.

Speaker 23 This year, it was, if the field last year was unplayable, I want to know what that looked like. Right.
because this one was like FedEx field after it had been carpet bombed. It was so bad.

Speaker 2 A game that was weird.

Speaker 6 It felt like both teams didn't want to win it.

Speaker 18 But at the end, old faithful, Phillip Rivers, down,

Speaker 37 late, with the ball.

Speaker 21 By the way, did you see that people tried to jump the gun on it?

Speaker 6 People jumped the gun on it.

Speaker 14 They started saying it with like seven minutes left.

Speaker 30 It's like, dude, wait.

Speaker 7 We have way.

Speaker 8 We have so much more time here.

Speaker 1 We have so much more desperate Phillip Rivers moments because they had the ball, I I think, three times in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 23 Yeah, we are definitely Phillip Rivers hipsters where we're saying we're seeing all these new Phillip Rivers fourth quarter come from behind games who are really loving it and we want to grow the game.

Speaker 23 So we're like, yes, we want you to be part of the Phillip Rivers fourth quarter exceptions.

Speaker 38 But you have to wait.

Speaker 23 But you have to wait. It's like, oh, your real Phillip Rivers had named three of his backbreaking interceptions.
Well, he had two of them last night. Yeah.

Speaker 38 Four total. Yeah, but

Speaker 12 two backbreakers.

Speaker 23 Then you have to wait

Speaker 23 until the last real four minutes of the game. That's when you get in the river's sweet spot.
That's when the magic starts to happen. That's when he starts doing things like after an incompletion.

Speaker 23 He just jumps up in the air and just spazzes out like a grammatica. That's when he just...
Dives face down onto the ground after an interception. That's when he bats his own pass out of the air.

Speaker 20 Throws a ball off a guy's face.

Speaker 23 That's when the magic happens.

Speaker 23 This is the same Philip Rivers that, you remember this was like two years ago when we thought for about two hours that Philip actually punched a bird out of the sky, but it looked like it looked like a bird.

Speaker 23 It turned out that it was just his glove.

Speaker 20 He stomps. When he starts stomping and doing the clap and stomp because he can't get the ball snapped, it all was there.

Speaker 40 And here's what happened, though, PFT.

Speaker 32 Last night was different.

Speaker 6 And we've done this many, many times.

Speaker 13 It actually was the 61st loss by seven or fewer points as a starting quarterback that he's had, the most by a starting quarterback in the Super Bowl era.

Speaker 20 But last night it happened.

Speaker 43 And we all knew it was going to happen.

Speaker 6 We even had like the little bit of a curveball where he throws it deep down the field and completes it.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 20 But last night when all the dust settled, like literally I'm talking about dust because they were playing on dust, not grass, and Phil Rivers did the thing where he puts his head back and he takes in that like deep breath

Speaker 40 and just angry and closes his eyes.

Speaker 1 I said to myself, This is sad.

Speaker 40 And I think it might be over because there's something something about it that feels different.

Speaker 8 It feels like the desperation in Philip Rivers' face is so sad at this point because there's nothing.

Speaker 15 He is the classic guy who still has the brain for it, still can read the defenses and everything.

Speaker 1 The arm is just not there.

Speaker 3 And it just can't.

Speaker 2 It will never come back.

Speaker 12 And we're watching him kind of slowly fade away right in front of our eyes.

Speaker 2 And I love him so much.

Speaker 6 And it's time to say goodbye.

Speaker 23 And you know, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 And by that, I mean, obviously, the Broncos should sign him next year. Yeah.

Speaker 23 His career is not done. No, no, no.

Speaker 18 I'm still with the Chargers.

Speaker 23 And I'm not prepared to see the end of Phillip Rivers in this NFL. Now, I read a stat.
I forget who tweeted it out, so it might be completely incorrect.

Speaker 18 Go for it.

Speaker 23 Phillip Rivers actually has a winning record in one possession games.

Speaker 37 I doubt that.

Speaker 23 So, because last year, I think he went like 6-2 or 7-1 last year in his one-possession games. The only way...

Speaker 27 Well, actually, no, that would make sense.

Speaker 23 The only way I can think of to explain that is he's had so many fourth quarter drives where he has been trailing by one possession, where he's thrown a pick six or an interception that's led to an easy

Speaker 23 six points or three points on the other end, which makes the final score a two-possession game. Yes.
So he gets in positions where he is losing by six points,

Speaker 23 or seven points or three points, but he ends up losing by much more than that.

Speaker 20 It's just sad.

Speaker 30 I'm just, I don't want it to be over, but it's over.

Speaker 23 This is the year.

Speaker 28 2019 will be known as the year that we lost all of the 2004 draft class.

Speaker 23 Eli Manning. Do you think Eli is coming back after his

Speaker 23 barn burner of the last game of the season?

Speaker 6 I think Ben maybe has a chance next year, maybe, but this might be just hopeful thinking.

Speaker 44 But it really is sad to watch them because the quarterback position is unlike any other position where you become so attached to watching these guys on every Sunday and they become part of your life

Speaker 39 that when you have to say goodbye, it's like, damn, it's over?

Speaker 23 Like, we're not going to have this guy to laugh at and to laugh with sometimes

Speaker 12 every single Sunday.

Speaker 23 No, it's done. You know what it's like? It's

Speaker 23 these quarterbacks, this modern group of quarterbacks. I'm going to include like Peyton Manning and

Speaker 23 Tom Brady, Romo, a little bit into this, but this was like the first age of quarterbacks that really grew up with our internet as we know it right now.

Speaker 23 So we developed them into little characters in our mind.

Speaker 23 Put them in a walking boot sometimes.

Speaker 23 But we got to, we almost had a relationship with these guys as they were growing up. And so it's sad to see them evolve out of that.

Speaker 23 And we're going to have to replace them with a rebound relationship, maybe somebody young and exciting and who makes me feel all sorts of things like Gardner Minshew.

Speaker 23 But it has to, we have to, we have to find who our new characters are characters are going to be moving forward. And it's tough to move on from that.
Now, I heard a rumor.

Speaker 23 I'm not sure if it's true or not, but I heard a rumor that Big Ben, as he's becoming a mountain man, as he's entering his Bon Ivor stage where he grows his beard out and moves to an isolated cabin to write his next album,

Speaker 23 he's growing that beard out until he throws another NFL pass.

Speaker 23 How great would that be to have Ben show up for training cap next year with just a full bush? And he's not going to trim it. No, it's going to be

Speaker 6 over his mouth.

Speaker 23 It's going to be poking through his face mask.

Speaker 4 He's not going to, he might actually, this might be the one season that Big Ben gets back in shape because he literally cannot eat through the hair.

Speaker 23 Yeah, yeah, only milk, liquid-only diet for Big Ben.

Speaker 26 Either way, Phil Rivers, it's the famous saying: don't cry because it's over, smile because it mother freaking happened.

Speaker 8 I do Phil Rivers' career.

Speaker 23 I've really loved how he's embraced this the last couple years, too, where they're down in the fourth quarter, and he just has his guys run four verts, and he's like, I'm gonna throw it up to one of you guys.

Speaker 47 He runs Madenoff.

Speaker 14 I'm gonna throw it up to one of you guys.

Speaker 30 He says, Everyone, just go down the field and just throw it as high as you can.

Speaker 1 And last night it worked for a second, and then

Speaker 27 he threw a fucking interception to like a 5-7 guy.

Speaker 39 That was tough.

Speaker 23 He's developed selective blindness. He's developed Jameis Winston eyes, but only for safeties.

Speaker 30 But the other side of the ball, let's talk about that real quick.

Speaker 27 The Chiefs, a little weird.

Speaker 10 Tyreek Hill hurt again.

Speaker 1 Their offense is completely different when he's out.

Speaker 18 Andy Reid, like, I don't know.

Speaker 28 That end of the game was just weird.

Speaker 35 It wasn't weird because Andy Reid not understanding that, like, hey, maybe just run clock here.

Speaker 13 But Patrick Mahomes, like that one pass, he almost got LaShawn McCoy killed, and then he got it tipped again going to the left.

Speaker 30 I don't know what's up.

Speaker 41 Like, he was just missing some guys that usually he hits that was just a little off.

Speaker 15 Maybe it was the altitude. I don't know.

Speaker 7 He did look good running the ball.

Speaker 23 He looked really good. That's what I was looking at: his knee seemed fine.
Yeah. When he ran.
Yeah, the offense looks out of sync without Tyreek. That's for sure.

Speaker 23 Andy Reed, you can forgive some of his play calling because him at altitude, that's like, oh, man.

Speaker 23 That's the equivalent of if you or I ran, like sprinted 800 yards and then had to call a play right afterwards. Yeah.

Speaker 6 His brain was not getting enough oxygen towards the end of that game.

Speaker 23 The thin air does not comport with Andy's general appearance.

Speaker 32 I think they showed those oxygen tanks in the locker room at halftime, those huge ones.

Speaker 36 That was just for Andy Reid.

Speaker 18 Both were for Andy Reid.

Speaker 23 They should have let Andy Reid coach this game with like almost a rocketeer-type backpack of oxygen tanks.

Speaker 18 The little cart, the smokers, you know, go shuffle into Walmart.

Speaker 23 Give him the cart. Give him the walker with the tennis balls on the front.
Yeah. and then have the little oxygen mask that goes into his nose.
Would have been great. It would have been awesome.

Speaker 23 Theater, and you want to grow the game, maybe look at an older demographic as well, Roger Goodell.

Speaker 13 Yeah, okay, let's do some hot seat cool throw, and then we're going to have Tim Donaghyan talk Malice in the Palace 15-year anniversary today,

Speaker 3 and also the fact that he bet on NBA games.

Speaker 44 And it was a pretty big controversy.

Speaker 23 Well, yeah, you'll hear this later, but he did not bet on NBA games,

Speaker 23 but he got paid because other people were

Speaker 38 totally different.

Speaker 3 And you can watch the interview, barstoolgold.com slash PMT, BarstoolGold.com slash PMT, sign up today.

Speaker 23 Hank Disney Plus for Barcelona. Yeah.

Speaker 46 Hank. My hot seat is anyone who actually thought Gronk was coming back to the Patriots.

Speaker 18 Yes.

Speaker 46 Including me. Even though I kind of knew because

Speaker 46 I assumed the fact that he was like promoting it ahead of time that the Patriots would not be cool with him like teasing his return.

Speaker 46 But regardless, he did a little teaser similar to when he was on this show. It was like, I have a big announcement tomorrow.

Speaker 46 Turned out he's just like doing a party in Miami and is probably coming back to the public.

Speaker 18 We're invited by the way, which is kind of cool.

Speaker 23 What are we calling that? Is it Gronkapalooza?

Speaker 18 Gronk Beach, I think.

Speaker 23 Altogron Music Festival.

Speaker 38 It's a beach in Gronk, which will be a great time.

Speaker 23 I'm excited to go to it, but he's not coming back to the Patriots this year, which is sad.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I feel like we have at least three or four more press releases from the Gronks that are like this.

Speaker 18 Yeah, well,

Speaker 46 it's kind of your fault, to be honest. Well, they realize how much buzz they could get with Gronk doing a teaser, so that the brands that are now working with him have

Speaker 38 to do that well.

Speaker 23 I like in the video that he put out where it's three Gronks having a debate

Speaker 23 what's going to happen, and eventually the party Gronk wins everybody over.

Speaker 23 On the table, there were like three monster energy drinks that have been crushed up, and then there was Gronk's brother's shaker bottle that he was also advocating for.

Speaker 18 It was a funny ad.

Speaker 6 It was funny. It was a funny video.

Speaker 23 I think he should just say, I have a major announcement to make, and then it just should be him in a bathrobe holding a drink on a diving board and saying cannonball like an anchorman. Nice.

Speaker 1 And they've been coming to the same party for the last 20 years.

Speaker 26 No way is this depressing.

Speaker 3 Shout out to True Wingo.

Speaker 46 My cool throne is Jeopardy fans.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 46 So we're getting a triple,

Speaker 18 triple threat,

Speaker 46 all-time champions match between

Speaker 18 Holzhauser.

Speaker 46 I don't know how you pronounce his last name, Ken Jennings, and Brad Rutter.

Speaker 23 And when is it happening?

Speaker 46 I'm not sure. I think it's happening in January.

Speaker 12 I guess the more appropriate question is, when is Darren Ravel going to spoil it?

Speaker 23 They better do this live.

Speaker 29 They better do it live because Ravel will.

Speaker 34 He loves playing the heel with that shit.

Speaker 38 Uh-huh.

Speaker 23 Imagine having to write those questions. There's a lot of pressure.
We don't talk about that in Jeopardy. Like, the game show writers are basically playing defense at this point.

Speaker 18 That's true.

Speaker 23 What about Watson? When's Watson coming back? Just have him compete against the company.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Who do you have?

Speaker 23 I'm going to Jeopardy James.

Speaker 46 I am too.

Speaker 46 I'm a Jennings guy. You are?

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 27 Interesting. You soak?

Speaker 38 I don't soak. No.
Is he a soaker?

Speaker 18 I don't know.

Speaker 23 he's from Utah. Yeah, so everyone from Utah.
I just assumed he soaked.

Speaker 44 He seems like a guy who soaks.

Speaker 23 Uh-huh.

Speaker 46 Interesting.

Speaker 46 But yeah, that's going to be electric. Electric TV.
I like the idea.

Speaker 46 Obviously, very sad with the Alex Truebeck's sickness, but I like the idea that whoever wins becomes the new host once Truebeck steps down.

Speaker 38 Yeah, it's not a better.

Speaker 23 I actually, I wrote about this yesterday. I like Chris Collinsworth becoming the host of Jeopardy.

Speaker 23 But then he's just like,

Speaker 23 here's a guy.

Speaker 18 Here's a guy that's that's your brain high on football.

Speaker 37 Here's a guy.

Speaker 6 It's like, here's your brain. Here's your brain on drugs.
Here's your brain.

Speaker 26 Here's your brain not being able to do anything without football.

Speaker 23 This guy had a dang apple fall on his head and studied gravity.

Speaker 14 Al.

Speaker 23 He ends every question without it, too.

Speaker 46 My other cool throne is now that it's Jamal Crawford. Now that Mello got signed, all the NBA players are like, when is he getting signed? When is he getting signed? When is he getting signed?

Speaker 18 Yeah, he dropped a 50-piece. Yeah.
Jamal Crawford has a lot of beds.

Speaker 46 It is crazy that he hasn't been signed.

Speaker 18 Yes, I agree.

Speaker 27 The Bulls could use him.

Speaker 12 They have a fucking worst offense.

Speaker 28 PFT, why don't you go?

Speaker 23 My hot seat is weed.

Speaker 23 That's right.

Speaker 23 Weed is on the hot seat big time because Joe Biden,

Speaker 23 he's running to be commander-in-chief, but he doesn't like weed and he says that it should remain illegal at the federal level because it's a gateway drug.

Speaker 3 Commander in Keith.

Speaker 23 Yeah, so he just lost the youth vote. Commander in not chiefing anything.

Speaker 23 So Joe's tripping out because he couldn't handle

Speaker 23 the new strains of weed that are coming out these days. He probably smoked reefer back in the late 70s.

Speaker 27 That's one of those situations where no one in his camp was like, hey, man, people have changed their mind on this thing.

Speaker 23 You also just don't say it.

Speaker 41 Yeah, but just like, this is one of those takes that it just, I just assume he hasn't been paying attention for the last 10 years.

Speaker 23 I'm getting to a point where it's not even like, would you legalize weed? It's do you ever smoke weed currently? Where is the big question? And if you say yes, then that's cool.

Speaker 23 And if you say no, you're a cop.

Speaker 26 Oh, I'm more like, it's not,

Speaker 34 do you legalize weed?

Speaker 6 It's like, when is Coke happening?

Speaker 37 Yeah.

Speaker 18 That's more like it. Yeah, right.
Let's keep this in mind.

Speaker 2 Keep it going down the line, folks.

Speaker 23 And then my other cool throne is... Or

Speaker 23 my other hot seat is meth.

Speaker 23 So all kinds of drugs are on the hot seat because South Dakota has a new slogan, and their slogan is meth.

Speaker 50 We're on it.

Speaker 18 What?

Speaker 12 Okay, so I saw people on the internet roasting it.

Speaker 23 Oh, I'm not roasting it. I think it's probably good.

Speaker 30 No, I know, but people were roasting it.

Speaker 23 Well, what happens is it's a South Dakota Dakota initiative against

Speaker 23 methamphetamines, and the people that are roasting it are New York media people with Adderall habits.

Speaker 15 Right. And I also looked at it.

Speaker 12 I was like, why are people roasting this?

Speaker 13 This actually seems pretty effective being like, hey, anyone,

Speaker 30 any age, any background could be addicted to this.

Speaker 12 This seems like a powerful message.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 16 I left being like, fuck the internet.

Speaker 18 I hate all of you. Yeah.

Speaker 23 People were like laughing at the

Speaker 23 stop it. So, yeah, I actually agree with you.
and I think that it's a good ad campaign.

Speaker 46 I mean, the pictures of like the cowboys being like, I'm on meth, it looked like a Photoshop, like, SNL parody thing.

Speaker 18 I, like, I agree with you. I don't know, man.

Speaker 14 I think our brains get so fucked from the internet that it's worse than the meth.

Speaker 23 It should be, if anything, it should be

Speaker 23 regional where in New York, it's Sam Darnold doing that Monday Night Football intro where it says out mononucleosis, where he's like, out methamphetamine addiction. No, get our attention.

Speaker 3 It should be, what it should be is it should be like a coffee shop with a hipster and a beanie and a computer and he's like, I'm on irony poisoning.

Speaker 43 And like, you don't know what you like anymore, you fucking loser.

Speaker 23 I don't even know if I like that idea. Yeah.

Speaker 18 I like it ironically.

Speaker 14 Ironically, right.

Speaker 23 God damn it.

Speaker 43 Dude, the other,

Speaker 19 I had this as one of my hot sequel thrones, but this is a perfect, I'm just going to throw this in there.

Speaker 31 The hashtag advice for boomers.

Speaker 31 We're done.

Speaker 15 This is over.

Speaker 44 The boomer thing is done.

Speaker 31 It's too much.

Speaker 38 It's gotten too much. First reported by me.

Speaker 29 But yeah, you did report it.

Speaker 15 But it is like, because you know what it is?

Speaker 44 It's one of those classic situations where there are no baby boomers on Twitter.

Speaker 15 There's like a few people who write like op-eds in the New York Times, but we're really arguing with no one.

Speaker 23 Oh, that is something that's been pissing me off for a long time. It's the Z.

Speaker 16 It's like we're not arguing with anyone.

Speaker 23 There are like seven or eight people that work for, like you said, the New York Times or the Washington Post or like the Detroit Free Press, Mitch Album.

Speaker 23 And I would not know who any of these people are if it wasn't for people our age on the internet dunking on them

Speaker 23 and being obsessed with their columns and tweeting out fucking screenshots of

Speaker 23 Thomas Friedman or Brett Michael. I'm pissed off that I know these guys' names.

Speaker 23 I don't know anything about them and I don't want to know anything about them and I've done a pretty good job at avoiding that. But yeah, people's brains are just absolutely fucked.

Speaker 27 We're just fighting with ourselves.

Speaker 36 I clicked on the hashtag advice for boomers and I was like, this is just people fighting with no one.

Speaker 11 We are fighting with no one.

Speaker 12 We have created straw men all around us and we're just whacking at it with a machete.

Speaker 23 That's what's kind of fun. That also is fun.

Speaker 13 I'm not saying it is.

Speaker 6 It's fun sometimes, but it's just, it's, if you ever take a step back and like have a kind of a big view of the internet, you're like, this is psychotic.

Speaker 31 Yeah.

Speaker 18 The whole thing.

Speaker 23 All the inside jokes. I've heard, like, you ever hear somebody say the words in public, not online, say the words 30 to 50 feral hogs and then laugh at it.
It is, it makes me just want to kill them.

Speaker 23 I'm like, no, that's, no, do not bring this into the real world. This is not something that people talk about.

Speaker 38 Yeah. All right.
Go, what's your cool throne?

Speaker 18 My cool throne is... You feel good.
Yeah.

Speaker 23 I feel really good right now.

Speaker 23 Lying to your kids is on the cool throne.

Speaker 18 Speaking of the internet.

Speaker 23 Speaking of the internet, so lying to your kids is cool. Just tweeting out a picture and saying, I'm going to tell my kids this is so-and-so when it's not so-and-so.
It's like me.

Speaker 23 If I were to do it, I would have a picture of Danny Woodhead and say, I'm going to tell my kids this is God. Yeah.
There you go. A picture of Marlin's man.

Speaker 23 I'm going to tell my kids this is your grandfather. I mean it.
And it's a big joke.

Speaker 44 It was therapy for me because I tweeted out.

Speaker 18 Yeah, big joke.

Speaker 48 Huge joke.

Speaker 18 Yeah. Grandpapa Marlin's, man.

Speaker 47 You have no idea.

Speaker 11 It was therapy for me, though, because I tweeted out Mitch and said, I'm going to tell my kids that this was a fourth-round pick.

Speaker 21 And it was actually a great value taken where he was.

Speaker 23 Just make yourself believe that.

Speaker 18 Yeah, you don't have to make your kids believe that I'm talking about it.

Speaker 23 There's some truth to it because

Speaker 23 school, when you think about it, 16 years. of just lying to kids about various things.
Yeah.

Speaker 18 18?

Speaker 23 Dinosaurs. 18, 16? Yeah, some of us.
Oh, yeah. Some of us skipped a couple grades ago.

Speaker 38 Some of us went to college. Yeah.

Speaker 21 So, wait, what was that?

Speaker 46 I did bad math. I thought you started school when you were one years old.

Speaker 18 No, but you start when you're four or five.

Speaker 20 You do start.

Speaker 16 17.

Speaker 23 Yeah. Oh, Hank was thinking of doctors.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Dentists, actually, two years.

Speaker 45 Yeah, lying to your kids.

Speaker 40 That's going to be good.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh.

Speaker 23 It's going to be really good. My other cool throne is guys.

Speaker 23 Just guys, because it's International Men's Day today. Hell yeah.

Speaker 23 Finally, a day for dudes. Fuck yes.
I'm going to drink a beer, eat a steak, not express emotions. Yeah.

Speaker 23 Go to Hooters, not call my dad. Just guy stuff.

Speaker 32 Fuck yeah. Do it.

Speaker 20 All right.

Speaker 41 My hot seats is

Speaker 15 everyone on the internet who's not.

Speaker 26 Well, this is even more than the advice to boomers.

Speaker 35 Did you guys see that Mason Ramsey? Yeah.

Speaker 16 He is.

Speaker 8 It's actually me because I'm actually scared for myself, but Mason Ramsey turned 13 on Saturday and he declared,

Speaker 26 I'm controlling my Instagram now.

Speaker 27 Things are going to start changing around here.

Speaker 21 And one of the first things he changed was he now just replies to everyone on my Instagram saying, Let me shave your mustache.

Speaker 4 So I'm never going to post again.

Speaker 23 So Mason Ramsey has tweet alerts on it. Please bullying me.

Speaker 23 He has Instagram alerts on for your posts.

Speaker 39 He just hijacks the content.

Speaker 1 It's not the content that I post anymore.

Speaker 27 It's just Mason Ramsey saying he wants to shave my mustache.

Speaker 23 He's Instacucking you. So his

Speaker 23 mother's. How many likes are his posts getting?

Speaker 18 A lot.

Speaker 18 It was like thousands right away.

Speaker 18 I love it. Yeah.

Speaker 31 Things are going to change.

Speaker 26 You'll never see another Instagram post from me.

Speaker 23 You know what? This is how A-Rod felt when you first started commenting on his own.

Speaker 18 True, true, true.

Speaker 14 And it only took a year or two until I just still haven't got that paycheck.

Speaker 23 He's going to start a TikTok account with you at some point.

Speaker 27 My cool throne is Jason Witten.

Speaker 26 Jason Witten is on my cool throne because the internet has finally come for Booger McFarland.

Speaker 23 The reports of the internet coming for Booger McFarland have been grossly overrated.

Speaker 14 Well, I think Booger had that nice spot where he came in after Jason Witten, so it was like no one was paying attention for a little bit, and now people are starting to listen to what he says, and Devontae Adams and Stefan Diggs are roasting him.

Speaker 23 So he said

Speaker 23 that

Speaker 23 more games in the NFL are lost than one. Yeah.

Speaker 18 Which is true. It's a fact.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 31 But he's getting roasted.

Speaker 39 No, the internet is coming for him.

Speaker 23 That's fine. It is.
But it's a fact.

Speaker 23 If you look at what Trent Dilfer said four or five years ago when he said you cannot lose a game in the NFL and win at the same time, if you go by that math

Speaker 23 and our knowledge that you can win a game and lose, as evidenced by last Thursday night's Browns game, therefore

Speaker 23 you can,

Speaker 23 it's more likely that you lose a game

Speaker 23 than it is that you win. You just have to say ties.

Speaker 18 Yeah, that's why. Ties.
There you go. But you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 38 More games are lost than one.

Speaker 40 Yeah, it's okay to say that Booger said something stupid.

Speaker 23 No, I think it is stupid to those of us that aren't on that high plane of football knowledge.

Speaker 31 Booger is a good

Speaker 49 back on the mobile.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Booger is a lesson where like you want to keep that one guy around that everyone can go after.

Speaker 18 That's where we got Hank.

Speaker 6 As soon as you get rid of him, everyone's going to come for you.

Speaker 23 Again, I think that Booger is football dessert. He's not a main course.
He's not going to eat.

Speaker 43 But he's in the main course room.

Speaker 23 But I don't care. I still like dessert.
I'd still eat a dessert at a fancy restaurant if I'm not hungry enough for dinner.

Speaker 12 Oh, I'm not going after Booger.

Speaker 28 I'm saying it's coming, though.

Speaker 18 It's coming.

Speaker 20 Coach O'Shaughnessy.

Speaker 38 Yeah, it's arrived.

Speaker 18 It is arrived.

Speaker 46 Whether warranted or not.

Speaker 31 It is at his doorstep.

Speaker 46 Every media company is writing those blogs creating like that.

Speaker 18 And now people will listen more.

Speaker 23 You're not going to go out to eat at Monday Night Football and expect molecular gastronomy and weird experimental deconstructed dishes.

Speaker 23 What you're going to get from Booger is mashed potatoes, a perfectly fine steak, and then a nice chocolate lava cake for dessert. And that's comforting to me.

Speaker 35 Wait, that's more than just dessert.

Speaker 23 Yeah, but

Speaker 23 I'm changing my analogy right now. I'm saying Booger is comfort food.

Speaker 13 So he's now a full meal.

Speaker 23 So Tony Romero. Yeah, he's a full meal.
He's not just a goddamn snack anymore. I'm saying Tony Romo and more advanced statistical guys that call out plays before they happen.

Speaker 18 The really nice thing.

Speaker 38 Shall we say?

Speaker 23 That's like a fancy French meal that you get.

Speaker 23 That's like going someplace where the server brings you out your dish in a jar and he opens it up for you and there's smoke coming out and there's showmanship.

Speaker 23 There's all sorts of weird sauces and uh and foams on the plate that's like tony romo booger is a t-bone steak cooked medium even though you ordered it medium rare you have to really use a lot of analogies and a side of mashed potatoes and a cold beer on the side there you go

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Speaker 28 All right, here he is, Tim Donaghy.

Speaker 16 Okay, we now welcome on former NBA ref Tim Donaghy.

Speaker 45 He's got a new movie coming out.

Speaker 9 that's coming out uh friday correct yes so it is called inside game it's basically your story or actually told through your friend's eyes uh of the entire uh fixing games nba controversy

Speaker 6 how you ended up in prison, all that.

Speaker 33 So thanks for joining us.

Speaker 45 Appreciate you coming by.

Speaker 16 What's going on right now?

Speaker 7 What do you, are you,

Speaker 11 you know, are you going to be able to get back into the reffing game?

Speaker 3 That's kind of a stupid question, but I always wondered, like, do you go around watching games and being like, wish I could be reffing this?

Speaker 50 I mean, absolutely. I wish I was still reffing in the NBA when you talk about running up and down the court with the greatest athletes in the world.

Speaker 50 Something that's a great job, pays well, and it's missed.

Speaker 23 Yeah. Yeah.
And you got the movie coming out Inside Game. I was watching the trailer for, are you happy with who plays you? Did you have any say in the casting?

Speaker 50 I didn't. I tried to, but they told me basically to go pound sand.

Speaker 50 You weren't going to have a we're loudly cursed?

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 50 Yeah, they basically told me to fuck off.

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 So

Speaker 23 who ends up playing you in the movie here?

Speaker 50 Eric Mabius plays myself. Scott Wolf plays Tommy Martino, and Will Sassa plays Batista.

Speaker 23 So who did you want to play you?

Speaker 50 Shit, Bradley Cooper, right?

Speaker 18 Bradley Cooper. good-looking guy.

Speaker 18 Philly guy. Yeah.
There it is.

Speaker 27 So, what's so given your whole story, and we can get into the details of it, but what I'm always curious, what's the biggest misconception you think that's out there about the fixing games and your entire career as an NBA ref?

Speaker 50 Fixing games. I mean, people, you know, some people think that I went out there and put Shaquille O'Neal to the bench or LeBron James to the bench so that some of these bets won.

Speaker 50 That's really not what happened.

Speaker 50 I picked the games based on relationships that existed between referees and players, referees and coaches, and referees and owners, and what took place in the morning meetings with the referees and what was going to be called that night and how a team was going to be put at an advantage or disadvantage.

Speaker 40 So you're saying you didn't,

Speaker 25 when you would call in a bet and be like, hey, take this side, you wouldn't then make sure that you called more fouls against the team that you bet against?

Speaker 50 No, I knew what the crew was going to go out and do that night and how a team was going to be put at an advantage.

Speaker 50 Maybe there was an emphasis that day on Kobe Bryant going to the basket and there was a DVD sent in last week of plays that were missed by the referees.

Speaker 50 So I knew when the league came in and said, hey, listen, there's a problem here. Phil Jackson just sent in this DVD, 25 plays, Kobe getting fouled and nobody blowing the whistle.

Speaker 50 I knew the three of us were going to go out that night and he was going to go to the line 25 times and they were going to win by 15.

Speaker 23 So how often would you get special instructions like that?

Speaker 50 During the playoffs, every game.

Speaker 50 You know, during the regular season, there were points of emphasis that came out probably once or twice a week.

Speaker 50 But during the playoffs, you sat in a room and they showed you tape of the previous games, and they said this was missed. The referees got poor grades because they missed this, this, and this.

Speaker 50 And it was always for the team that was down in the series, and we knew basically what they wanted, and we went out and concentrated on those things. And, you know,

Speaker 50 the bets just flow through.

Speaker 23 So, for that example, you would see that, okay, Kobe's going to get a lot of calls today. You'd call your buddy and say, he's going to be on the foul line.
Let's take the Lakers on this one.

Speaker 23 Then you would all go in together on the Lakers or how would that work?

Speaker 50 Definitely. I would just tell him, I didn't actually tell him why or what was going on.

Speaker 50 I would just say in a code, which is portrayed great in the movie, you know, certain things of talking about Johnny or Chuck, which were Tommy Martino's brothers, in regard to if we're going to take the home or the away team.

Speaker 50 And we didn't really discuss how or why I was picking a game.

Speaker 47 Okay, so you pick a game, you tell them, when you're running up and down the court and you're refing an NBA game, things are moving a million miles an hour.

Speaker 3 Are you the whole time thinking about this spread?

Speaker 50 No, because we won right out of the gate so many times.

Speaker 50 In fact, there were some points where Tommy and I really didn't care if we lost because we thought we were, you know, so many red flags would be going up because

Speaker 50 we won so much. Right.

Speaker 23 Was there ever a game when afterwards you were in the locker room and you're like, shit, that was really obvious. I did some stuff that's going to jump out on the tape.

Speaker 50 No, because, again, you know, I wasn't doing anything that the league didn't want done.

Speaker 23 But you never, you never, like in a close game when the line was getting down to it at the end, you never blew your whistle one time when it was maybe like, you know, borderline. That would put,

Speaker 23 for me, if I were in your position, I would absolutely, even subconsciously, you know, call more fouls, get it closer to covering the spread for myself.

Speaker 50 And you know what? That's a great word that you just use subconsciously because that's what the FBI, I wrote a book, and in the book, Personal Foul, I talked about all this.

Speaker 50 And that was one thing that he wanted in the book that subconsciously I could have affected

Speaker 50 some of these games that way, because he was writing the Ford for the book and said, I told the truth at every turn.

Speaker 50 So that word that you just used was the word that Phil Scala, one of the FBI agents, said could have happened subconsciously, which is possible.

Speaker 50 But I can only tell you that I didn't go out there and send Kobe or Shaq or some of these big stars to the bench.

Speaker 50 I just did, you know, within the rules, what the NBA wanted to do, and I knew who was going to be put at an advantage or a disadvantage. But I will say this: there was one game where

Speaker 50 Allen Iverson threatened Steve Javi, and we felt as a staff he should have been suspended, but he was only fined $25,000.

Speaker 50 I had the next game, and the two referees and myself in the morning meeting decided that Alan Iverson, although he carries the ball all the time and it's never called, we were going to enforce that rule against him that night.

Speaker 50 And we went out in the first half, and we all each took a turn. You know, we had a pack.
We're all going to call a palming violation on him, and we did that.

Speaker 50 And I did did tell, you know, Tommy to bet against Denver that night. And Irison came up to me during a free throw and he said, Tim, how long is this going to go on for?

Speaker 50 I said, what are you talking about? He goes, you know what I'm talking about. And I just smirked and he smirked.

Speaker 50 And he knew it was, you know, he was going to have a problem for the next couple of games for what he did.

Speaker 26 So, so knowing all this, like, how much, and I know the NBA always said you're a lone wolf kind of situation.

Speaker 27 It's an isolated situation.

Speaker 18 But it sounds like the way you're describing it is every night the the refs are talking about how they're going to officiate the game, and every night it could be different, and every night there could be some personal vendettas.

Speaker 37 Do you think that that's true?

Speaker 50 100%. And in fact, I don't know if you guys know the name Michael Francisi.
He was a famous captain in the Colombo crime family who's now out of jail and become a preacher as left organized crime.

Speaker 50 He's on the record as saying that three NBA referees in the 1990s were on his personal payroll, and none of them were named Tim Donaghy. So I wasn't the only one passing along information.

Speaker 50 You know, was he paying them for? You know, I don't know what their setup was, but I'm sure he wasn't giving them chocolate bars, you know?

Speaker 30 Right, right.

Speaker 13 So the other thing, you've commented at times since the scandal, since you went to prison, that you'll be like, hey, this series is going to go seven, or this series, they're going to try to extend it.

Speaker 39 Is that something that you would talk about with the refs before a playoff game?

Speaker 3 Like, hey, the league needs us to go, you know, six here.

Speaker 21 We need to get this game to six, or we need to get this game to seven.

Speaker 3 Is that something that actually, because I think what happened more than anything with this scandal is that everyone got

Speaker 6 very paranoid about every game, and the NBA had a rigged feel to it.

Speaker 26 Do you think it is rigged?

Speaker 50 Definitely manipulated. When you talk about Dick Bovetta in 2002, I don't know if you remember the famous Lakers Sacramento game six, right?

Speaker 50 He openly said to a lot of us that he was the NBA's go-to guy. He was put on game sixes to make sure they went to a game seven.
And that was one of the most fucked up games in the history of the NBA.

Speaker 50 And when you talk about three referees supposedly making so many mistakes in a conference final game,

Speaker 50 where in America can you perform at that level in your job so poorly and still go to the next level and ref in the NBA Finals and get another bonus of $20,000?

Speaker 50 If they were so bad and the league was so upset, you think that they would have not moved to the next round, but they advanced to the next round and got paid for it.

Speaker 23 So he told you personally, or he said openly out to the public, and maybe I'm unaware of it, that he is the NBA's guy when it comes to extended series. He's admitted that?

Speaker 50 I don't know if he's admitted it, but he said it to a lot of us, and we all talked about it and laughed. In fact, when he was refereeing that game, we knew it was going to game seven.
He joked.

Speaker 50 We would call each other on the phone and say, but that is, you know, watch him. Look what he's doing.

Speaker 6 What's your reputation now around?

Speaker 3 Because, you know, the fascinating part of NBA refs, and if you look into it, there's like a cradle of refing in in Delaware County and Pennsylvania.

Speaker 3 You know, there's a bunch of refs that came from the same area.

Speaker 21 I think you were the same high school as Joey Crawford.

Speaker 18 What is your

Speaker 31 do you go back there?

Speaker 53 Are you persona non-grata?

Speaker 7 Are you

Speaker 50 I don't go back there, I don't live there anymore.

Speaker 50 I live in Florida, so um, you know, there was a lot of referees from that area, uh, Eddie Malloy, um, Crawford, like you said, Ed Middleton, Oaks, Javi, there was, you know, about 10 of us, so Wonderlick and Callahan.

Speaker 50 Um, you know, we had a great time, and,

Speaker 50 unfortunately, I made some bad choices and ruined those relationships. And

Speaker 50 are my friends with them now? No, because they're still working for the league. But as each referee retires or moves into a different facet of life, I hear from them and speak to them.

Speaker 50 But the guys that are still working for the league, I don't talk to.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 23 How aware of the spread are NBA refs going into the game?

Speaker 50 Very aware. I mean, we get the USA today.
It's dropped at your door every morning.

Speaker 50 The first thing you do is you pick up the newspaper and you look at the line I mean I know I did and I know it was discussed you know amongst the referees so before you started uh kind of point shaving or putting your finger on the scale a little bit were you gambling on NBA games as a ref

Speaker 50 yes okay so games that you would referee or other games both both okay it started as you gambling with the referee it just escalated to the point and then you know unfortunately I had so much good information you know I started to relay that to them now was it partly because of debt because I know that that was thrown out there that you were losing gambling, so then you basically got linked up with guys higher up.

Speaker 18 But that's I've read it.

Speaker 50 I wish I had some excuse to tell you why I did it, but it just stupid and dumb. And I had information.
I hanging out with my buddies and just started to relay it and it just spiraled out of control.

Speaker 30 There was no, I mean, you would still be doing it if it wasn't because the other fascinating part about the story is you guys weren't caught directly.

Speaker 3 It was another, it was the FBI doing an investigation on the mafia in general, right?

Speaker 14 That basically.

Speaker 50 And that's what the great aspect and parts of the movie are in Inside Game. They really can portray the FBI agents and how it was discovered over Gambino wiretap.
And that in the film really is

Speaker 50 showed well. Yeah.

Speaker 27 Was there at any point in time when you were doing this, did you think, like,

Speaker 14 this isn't that illegal? Like, I'm betting with, you know, with bookies and people who are not like casinos.

Speaker 4 Like, who cares? You know?

Speaker 50 The bottom line is David Stern made a comment. I'll never forget he was on ESPN.
He said, legal gambling will cost you your job because it was in our contract. None of us were allowed to bet.

Speaker 50 And then he referred to me and said, illegal gambling will cost you your freedom, meaning I was going to go to jail.

Speaker 50 And, you know, then he did an investigation and found out 55 out of 58 NBA referees were gambling, going to casinos, betting on football, betting on goth, couldn't fire everybody, and he immediately started to backtrack that whole thing.

Speaker 50 You know, we would go to casinos with baseball hats pulled down over our foreheads so nobody recognized us.

Speaker 50 It was a little bit that it was out of control.

Speaker 14 You were a referee during the Malice at the Palace.

Speaker 23 Do you look back on that night with any regrets knowing that if you had kept the floor a little bit drier, Jermaine O'Neill would have knocked that guy's head off?

Speaker 50 Yeah, I mean, that was, I never forget, I was standing there, and that Mexican guy is lucky that he's still alive because he lost his back foot.

Speaker 18 But,

Speaker 50 yeah,

Speaker 50 it was something that, you know, as a referee, you don't want to be part of a fight because it always lands on your doorstep that kind of things got out of control.

Speaker 50 So, you know, maybe we could have got in there a little bit quicker and grabbed, ground our test before we ran up into the stands and everything just escalated to no return.

Speaker 53 Was there a moment when that was all going down that you were just like blowing your whistle, hoping that someone would be like, oh, the whistle blew, got to stop.

Speaker 50 Nobody was listening to anything. I'll never forget Larry Brown started screaming at me, do something.

Speaker 18 Yeah, you're blowing your whistle and you're like, do something.

Speaker 50 They're going to listen to you. They don't listen to me half the time anyway.
You do something. Right.
And

Speaker 50 nobody would stop anything.

Speaker 35 What coach or player did you have the most adversarial relationship with?

Speaker 50 Probably Rashid Wallace. Okay.

Speaker 30 Yeah, he threw a ball at you. Did he throw a ball at you or threw it?

Speaker 50 He threw a ball at my partner in a game that was a blowout, and I gave him a technical foul, and he got all bent out of shape that I did that and

Speaker 50 waited for me out in the... parking garage and basically wanted to fight me.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 what did you do? Did you cower?

Speaker 50 I squared up like I was ready to go with him, just saying prayers that somebody grabbed him. And right before he got to me, 10 people jumped on him.

Speaker 50 If not, I'd probably still be eating through a stroll today. Yeah, that's probably good for you.

Speaker 23 What about a coach? Is there a coach that you just didn't get along with?

Speaker 50 George Carl was a guy that was really tough. And, you know, I had a lot of run-ins with him.
So he was a guy. Larry Brown was tough, but off the floor, he seemed to be a good guy.

Speaker 30 Now, do you still gamble, I assume, right?

Speaker 51 Like, do you gamble on sports?

Speaker 50 No, you don't?

Speaker 31 No.

Speaker 40 Are you not allowed to, or is it?

Speaker 50 No, I just don't do it. I think it was a situation where it just got out of control and I started to cross too many lines.
Yeah. And, you know, you really can't win gambling.

Speaker 50 When I was gambling, I had somewhat of an advantage being on the inside. So, you know, to gamble, you really have to have a good edge and really look at it.

Speaker 50 I do have a website where I consult with people that like to gamble as a form of entertainment and try to help them and guide them through it.

Speaker 26 Okay, so you're in the gambling space a little bit.

Speaker 34 How much money do you think estimate you won during those four years, five years?

Speaker 50 However, many years you were helping out, you know, not as much as you would think, probably around $100,000. And I had to write a check for $30,000 back to the government from

Speaker 50 the scheme with Martino and Batista.

Speaker 23 What was the largest amount of money you ever put on a game?

Speaker 50 Probably $2,000 or $3,000.

Speaker 42 Okay.

Speaker 35 But there's, but what's the largest amount of money someone else put on a game that you were referencing?

Speaker 50 Hundreds of thousands. And in the movie, again, that's really,

Speaker 50 there's a scene with Batista of how he really manipulates the line. And,

Speaker 50 you know, we were going to bet one side at minus six, and he gets it, he bets the other side to move the line, and then comes back again and bets the side that we want and wins, you know, well over several million dollars.

Speaker 50 Yeah.

Speaker 23 So the lines, would it get to a point where a line would move? Did Vegas ever get whiff of what was going on before the FBI did?

Speaker 50 Yeah, there were things that nailed it. I understand that some of the lines were moving, you know, three, four, and five points, which is unheard of in the gambling world.

Speaker 50 And that's because Batista, and again, Will Sassa in the movie does a great job. This guy, I'd be shocked if he doesn't get some type of award for the portrayal.

Speaker 46 The comedian?

Speaker 4 Yeah, from Mad TV.

Speaker 50 Yeah, he really, I'm telling you, every time I watch it, I just look at the guy, and I think it's Batista half the time. The way he does everything is really incredible.

Speaker 36 Yeah, interesting. I mean, this is like,

Speaker 36 the story is fascinating.

Speaker 27 I would imagine, was there any point where you started to, while you're in the middle of it, started to feel bad or started to have...

Speaker 9 you know, second thoughts of like, hey, what I'm doing is wrong.

Speaker 50 Definitely. There were times when I was doing it with the guys at the country club where I'm thinking, what the heck am I doing? Because we were winning so much.
And I'm thinking,

Speaker 50 there's got to be red flags going up somewhere and we would stop and there was one time where he went to the casino and lost about $25,000 and took out a marker and said listen I need some picks I need to get this money back so you know I would give him some picks and then we would stop again and then eventually Batista who was getting these picks behind our back associated with organized crime you know had Tommy Martino trick Tommy Martino into you know bringing him down in front of me at the Marriott Hotel in Philadelphia.

Speaker 23 Were there ever any times that you thought that you you were getting caught that turned out to just be like a false alarm?

Speaker 50 No, it wasn't.

Speaker 50 In fact, I wish that would have happened because it probably would have scared me straight a little bit, but it wasn't until I was at the golf course and Tommy called me and said the FBI had been at his house three times.

Speaker 16 Oh, wow.

Speaker 42 So that moment, so

Speaker 45 that happens.

Speaker 26 When does the FBI come to your house?

Speaker 51 They come to your house like the next morning or what?

Speaker 50 They never come to my house. I get the call from Tommy and I just totally panic.
I lose about 30 pounds in less less than a month.

Speaker 50 And my attorney keeps telling me, sit tight, sit tight. And the stress was just unbearable.
And he called up the United States attorney and had him on speakerphone. And I was sitting in his office.

Speaker 50 And he said, listen, you tell Tim Donaghy, we know what he did. We know who he did it with.
He's going to lose his job.

Speaker 50 If we have to come get him, not only is he going to lose his job, he's going to go to jail for a long, long time.

Speaker 50 So I thought it was in my best interest and my family's best interest. The next day, I got on a plane and went to New York and met with the FBI.

Speaker 31 Okay.

Speaker 6 So you knew it was coming for a month while you were still reffing games?

Speaker 18 No.

Speaker 50 Okay. It was

Speaker 50 over at that point. It was the summer.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, that's right. It was the summer.
That's right.

Speaker 14 That's right.

Speaker 2 And now, have you ever, did you ever talk to David Cerner on the phone after that?

Speaker 50 I was in my attorney's office again, and we called the league office, and they picked up the phone, and they said, hey, listen, you know, I think we should come in and meet with you, and Tim wants to explain to you what he did and how he did it.

Speaker 50 And they said, okay, we'll get back to you, and we never heard from him again.

Speaker 9 He probably was pretty mad, huh?

Speaker 50 Oh, he's screwed.

Speaker 38 Yeah, he's probably pretty pissed at you.

Speaker 18 He kind of screwed that one up. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 53 I'd be mad if I was a commissioner.

Speaker 50 I would be mad. No doubt.
I mean, I'd be pissed too, but I think he could have handled it a much different way.

Speaker 18 How so?

Speaker 50 Well, when you talk about, you know, the way the business was operated and how they were dictating what the referees were calling, especially during the playoffs, I think there's some culpability there in the fact that you're not fixing these games, but you're manipulating them for the bottom line of

Speaker 50 going five, six, and seven games, and you have to accept some responsibility in that.

Speaker 26 Do you think the NBA has gotten better at this?

Speaker 14 Do you think they have maybe cleaned it up a little where it's not

Speaker 51 this type of manipulation as prevalent?

Speaker 50 I believe so. I mean, if you look at the playoffs last year, there weren't as many series going deep into the 5-6.
There's a lot of sweeps, which is unheard of in years past.

Speaker 50 So you'd like to think that they're starting to clean this up because it's been so

Speaker 50 out in the news. And

Speaker 50 I'm sure they knew the movie was coming out, and different things are going on to where

Speaker 50 I'm going to be on Barstool Sports talking about stuff like this, so they don't want their hand in the cookie jar.

Speaker 23 Yeah, so was it always just an extended series, or could you see the fingerprints of they want the team from the bigger market to move on to the next round?

Speaker 23 Was there ever any influence to say, okay, we need Boston to beat, you know, a smaller market team like Boston to beat Cleveland or something like that?

Speaker 50 Sure. I mean, there was a famous interview David Stern did.
It was a national televised interview, and the person said to him, you know, what's your ideal matchup for the NBA Finals?

Speaker 50 And he was so arrogant. He said the Lakers versus the Lakers.
And that's not something that the referees don't see and hear and realize.

Speaker 50 And the big market teams are something that brought global attention to the league. So we all knew that.

Speaker 50 And when there's a situation in a playoff series, you know, we gave the advantage to that big market team.

Speaker 20 Okay, my last question.

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Speaker 9 If you were refing today, would you call a travel on James Harden?

Speaker 18 No. That little step back thing you did?

Speaker 50 No, because it all depends. The thing is that the NBA doesn't want...

Speaker 50 that travel called and when he does travel and even when it's obvious they'll come out and say it has something to do with the gather the euro set the new the way the rules written it's just a bunch of bullshit to protect the fact that nobody called the travel.

Speaker 50 But what's going to happen is he's going to be in a playoff game, and it's going to be a situation where it's a game seven, and he does it, and he makes the winning shot, and the other side is going to be furious because the subjectivity of how the rule is written is just comical.

Speaker 13 So I always find that interesting, too, because James Harden is a perfect example of a guy who goes to the rim a lot, gets fouled a lot.

Speaker 26 Regular season, he puts up tons of numbers.

Speaker 53 They call it differently in the playoffs.

Speaker 6 Do you see refs, whether it be focus more be more on top of it, how different the playoffs in the regular season are officiated?

Speaker 50 No, it's definitely different. You have, you know, supposedly the top refs in the league at the time doing it.
And, you know, again, it's just a lot of subjectivity,

Speaker 50 a difference of how one referee will ref versus another one and what the league once called, because they're going to put those referees in a room and they're going to say, concentrate on this and let this go.

Speaker 50 And you saw in the playoffs where they had some problems where James Harden would be kicking out his feet or flare on his arms to where he got that call all year long, and then come to playoffs, he stopped getting it, and that's what created a lot of controversy.

Speaker 23 Yeah, what was your favorite call to make? Did you have a good N1? Did you do the like full fist pump when you hit it?

Speaker 50 You know, offensive foul is always you can be a little dramatic and come off the baseline when you're doing it.

Speaker 23 So, Joey Crawford with the skip down the court, you know, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 46 In Phoenix, yeah, did it bother you when they would say and one, even if it wasn't a foul?

Speaker 50 Oh, yeah, good question, hey.

Speaker 50 Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, definitely if you know, somebody started to taunt you and got the crowd down on you, you know, you did certain things to stick it to that guy to, you know, make sure he doesn't do that again.

Speaker 53 Would refs, when you're refering a game and the crowd is, you know, loud and maybe it's a playoff happens and they start booing, does that start affecting how you call the game?

Speaker 50 Some of the weaker referees, sure, but I kind of love that to make a call against the home crowd and have 20,000 people yell at you, especially when you knew you were right and made the hair stand up on the back of your neck.

Speaker 50 I kind of liked it.

Speaker 4 Okay. All right.
Interesting.

Speaker 21 All right, Tim Donaghy, the new movie is called Inside Game.

Speaker 51 Gambling, NBA, FBI, Mafia.

Speaker 50 All the good stuff that people can't get enough of. Every time I think the story is going to go away, somebody like Pauli Martino knocks on my door and says he's going to make a movie.

Speaker 50 So I think it's a great portrayal of the whole situation. And like I said, Scott Wolfe and Sassa do a great job in playing the characters.

Speaker 23 How many times Bradley Cooper in the sequel, though?

Speaker 38 Yeah, Bradley Cooper in the sequel.

Speaker 44 How many times have you apologized?

Speaker 50 Countless. You know, I can't.
Can you do one more? Absolutely. I mean, you know, I crossed some lines that I shouldn't have done, and unfortunately, I made some poor choices.

Speaker 50 And, you know, I can't apologize enough. I did some dumb stuff.

Speaker 11 That wasn't an apology.

Speaker 9 No, what was it? You said I can't apologize enough.

Speaker 23 That's

Speaker 23 something you can't.

Speaker 4 You got to say that.

Speaker 50 Let me dumb it down a little bit. I am sorry.

Speaker 18 Okay, there we go. All right.
All right. I'm going to let you off.

Speaker 42 All right.

Speaker 6 Thanks, Tim Donnegie.

Speaker 11 Appreciate it, man.

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Speaker 13 Okay, let's get some segments, wrap this up.

Speaker 44 We got first up, Sabre Metrics, and it is for the return of Mellow.

Speaker 28 So, Carmelo Anthony is back.

Speaker 6 He is playing.

Speaker 18 Starting.

Speaker 18 Breaking Moose.

Speaker 46 The breaking moves is that he is starting. Starting.

Speaker 18 Oh, man. Sorry.

Speaker 16 Start. Well,

Speaker 18 I mean, just announced by you.

Speaker 23 I've known it for a while. Who said that?

Speaker 9 Shams.

Speaker 18 Okay.

Speaker 23 Starting. Done.
Done.

Speaker 46 This is brought to you you by Breaking Moose for a real recovery that tastes real good. All right.
This Breaking Moves is brought to you by Chocolate Mill. Fuck.

Speaker 18 Damn. That's my mentor.
Yeah, by Breaking Moze Moz.

Speaker 46 It wasn't brought to you by Breaking Moves.

Speaker 18 Devontae Adolphus is going to quote tweet that for sure.

Speaker 35 And roast you along with Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 23 Yeah. You moves more games in the podcast game than you win.

Speaker 30 Okay, here we go. Saber metrics.

Speaker 18 Carmelo Anthony.

Speaker 26 He's changed his number to double zero.

Speaker 31 I love this.

Speaker 13 I think everyone loves it, but he gave out a sabermetrics on why.

Speaker 36 So here's the list.

Speaker 28 A number greater than any assignable quantity or countable.

Speaker 23 Fact check, insanely true.

Speaker 35 Countable number.

Speaker 36 Sorry, it's too.

Speaker 25 A number greater than any assignable quantity or countable number, symbol infinity.

Speaker 23 So zero is greater than any other number. Yeah.

Speaker 18 Apparently. Yeah.
True.

Speaker 23 Without end.

Speaker 23 Okay, I think he's just...

Speaker 23 I'm beginning to put the pieces together on this. I think he chose 0-0 because it kind of looks like the infinity.

Speaker 18 And he started on like some porn stars backtat.

Speaker 23 So everything from this point forward is just going to be about infinity, not double-zero.

Speaker 44 Okay. Without end.

Speaker 2 I don't. That's not.

Speaker 18 That's not true.

Speaker 23 Yeah. It's like that straw question.

Speaker 10 It ends.

Speaker 14 It's 0-0.

Speaker 23 It never starts.

Speaker 40 Process that never stops.

Speaker 6 Again, I don't.

Speaker 18 Okay.

Speaker 23 Yeah, because he's a starter. This is not stopping.

Speaker 21 Melo is definitely reading this to himself as he's

Speaker 28 can never be given an exact value.

Speaker 26 Again, not true. Zero is a value.

Speaker 32 It's zero.

Speaker 6 There's nothing.

Speaker 23 I think it's like $2 million a year.

Speaker 40 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Is that what he's getting?

Speaker 6 No, it's not even guaranteed yet.

Speaker 9 So that is not.

Speaker 23 Actually, yeah. So there you go.
He's right. Can't be given an exact value.

Speaker 18 It's not an exact value. We don't know.

Speaker 26 His contract, what he gets paid is open-ended at this point.

Speaker 23 Zero-zero. We don't know.

Speaker 23 It's going to end in 0-0. Yeah.
We don't know what comes before that.

Speaker 26 Simplicity and balance.

Speaker 14 The mysticism of our past and the possibility for an eternal future given the infinity symbol, a sense of awe and wonder.

Speaker 41 How fucking high was he?

Speaker 23 He was watching the new Star Wars thing when he came up with this, I think.

Speaker 2 Infinite nature of God.

Speaker 31 We cannot stay away from God without him trying to bring us back to him.

Speaker 31 At this point, these aren't reasons.

Speaker 40 These are just, this is a paragraph that he's bulletpointing.

Speaker 23 Well, what happened is he was perusing Sammy Watkins' Twitter account and just plagiarized it.

Speaker 40 This is crazy.

Speaker 17 The chance to have a new and great beginning with the past left behind where it belongs.

Speaker 26 Beginnings or end?

Speaker 16 Alpha and Omega.

Speaker 23 So he's God.

Speaker 23 So it symbolizes God.

Speaker 27 Why didn't he just say, I'm doing double zero because the Stay Mellow thing, everyone was mocking and I wanted to change the narrative and maybe have people talk about something different than me just being old and begging for a job.

Speaker 23 It could be stay mellu with two rows or it could be breaking mooz with two zeros in it.

Speaker 18 I love double zero.

Speaker 23 I do too. Tribute to the legend Eric Montrose.

Speaker 28 He's not a double zero, but I love it.

Speaker 23 Uh-huh. What do you mean he's not a double zero guy? He's not a double zero.
He's not a double zero guy?

Speaker 15 No, double zero guys don't shoot threes.

Speaker 23 I think he could become a double zero towards it. He could rebrand.

Speaker 14 Just be a total bencher

Speaker 18 block player.

Speaker 44 All you need to get those post-touches, Mellow.

Speaker 23 All you truly need to be a double zero is be weird.

Speaker 18 That's it.

Speaker 38 Okay, well, he's got that.

Speaker 23 He's got that. So I think he could pull it off.
It also, I'm surprised he didn't include this one.

Speaker 23 Double zero also looks like the word boobs upside down if you have number 58 standing next to you and number five standing on the other side of it.

Speaker 47 So we got to make sure number 58, a well-known number in the NBA.

Speaker 23 For the Trailblazers. That's like, yeah, it's like number 18 at LSU.
They give that to the highest person in Portland.

Speaker 30 Also, he's 007.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's maybe he's on a James Bond kick.

Speaker 14 That is that's probably it.

Speaker 27 By the way, just totally sidetrack here: is Luka Doncic the best player of all time?

Speaker 18 Yes, he's pretty good. Okay, done.

Speaker 41 I think so.

Speaker 28 I think he's going to be.

Speaker 23 He's really good. Of all time.

Speaker 27 He's crazy.

Speaker 37 42-point triple-double.

Speaker 27 But no one's watching him because no one watches the NBA.

Speaker 23 Does he have a cool nickname yet?

Speaker 23 Luke and Raleigh.

Speaker 18 Luca. Luca.

Speaker 16 Luca Brazzi. Luca.

Speaker 18 Because he kills you.

Speaker 18 He murders you. Godfather.

Speaker 17 Lukak Shakur.

Speaker 18 Ooh.

Speaker 23 There you go. No, that's probably not that one.

Speaker 9 Did you see Boomer last night at halftime did a five-whooper?

Speaker 23 I was doing my workout. I was doing my Genesis halftime.

Speaker 18 It was wild.

Speaker 23 It was awesome. He was doing whoops.
I caught up with it after that.

Speaker 18 He still got it.

Speaker 42 He still got the whoops.

Speaker 23 The five-whooper was. I don't know if he's ever brought that up.

Speaker 18 I think he blacked out for a little bit at the end of it.

Speaker 23 We need to go back and see which players over the course of Boomer's career have averaged

Speaker 23 the most whoops per highlight.

Speaker 14 I'm going to play the five whooper real quick.

Speaker 23 What are you nerd saber metrics guys? Tell me.

Speaker 24 Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 46 Could be like with Daniel Thomason.

Speaker 1 It actually technically was a six whooper because he added a whoop in the it's a five whooper.

Speaker 23 I thought that was the fifth. Oh, that might have been I think that he ended it with that.
Okay, the five whooper.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 23 That's incredible.

Speaker 12 All right. Next up, we have Sorry, Not Sorry, Antonio Brown.

Speaker 27 He apologized to Mr.

Speaker 21 Kraft.

Speaker 36 Do you think he's coming back?

Speaker 46 I mean, did you see that every single Patriot basically liked it? And he used a semicolon, which means there's a chance that someone wrote it for him, which means that it was like, hey,

Speaker 18 post this apology.

Speaker 42 And

Speaker 38 maybe he'll come back.

Speaker 46 And maybe he'll come back.

Speaker 12 How do the rosters work?

Speaker 49 Can he come back? I have no idea.

Speaker 38 I have no idea.

Speaker 18 No, we don't. No, not that.

Speaker 14 You could tell me any week, and I'd be like, yeah, sure.

Speaker 38 Well, I think

Speaker 38 he's 14.

Speaker 46 That's what they were saying with Gronk. He has to come back by week 14.

Speaker 28 But he would have to, isn't he in the middle of like the, wouldn't the league then have to process that?

Speaker 23 Well, also, there's something about the fact that he played this year already. So it's not like he's been out this whole time waiting to come back.
He played in

Speaker 14 one game, right?

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 23 So I think he could come back.

Speaker 23 The Patriots would probably have to guarantee that $9 million again,

Speaker 23 which I still don't know how that works. It was guaranteed, but then it's not.

Speaker 6 Antonio Brown is just stuck in that spot where

Speaker 27 he thought he was going to be on a team by now.

Speaker 26 And now that he's not, he's like, whoops.

Speaker 12 Well, probably should start apologizing.

Speaker 46 But do you guys think it's a coincidence that after the Patriots' offensive performance on Sunday, that this all of a sudden comes very early the next week?

Speaker 46 And all, like, Brady Edelman, they're all, they all liked it.

Speaker 23 I think that it's very much. I think everything in Antonio Brown's life past a year ago today has happened out of sheer coincidence.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Literally everything. Yeah.
He's just been

Speaker 14 rolling the dice.

Speaker 43 You are right.

Speaker 18 The semicolon is don't know. Suspect at best.

Speaker 23 I'm an English major. I don't know what a semicolon does.
No. All I know is I think Kurt Vonnegut said that all a semicolon proves is that you went to college and that you look down on other people.

Speaker 26 Well, and Hank's allowed to semicolon shame others because if Hank released a statement with a semicolon, he'd be semicolon suspect.

Speaker 18 Correct. Big time.

Speaker 3 Big time suspect.

Speaker 18 Right.

Speaker 23 Yeah. I think you just use it when you don't know what, when you feel like a sentence.

Speaker 23 And based off of his text messages, I don't think he is a big punctuation or or like proper grammar guy what you thought he was going to hit the semicolon and then do like the grape or the the eggplant and then the water and then an emoji of someone's back

Speaker 23 no i'm saying he wouldn't put the semicolon on his own someone wrote that statement for him because they told him post a statement you might get back okay did he delete the other tweet that he had where he was saying robert craft got tugged off in a massage parlor but a b kicked out of the league probably that would be a good first step that would be yeah you want to delete that one for sure uh-huh uh he should just apologize to Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 23 The Vikings would probably pick him up at that point. Yeah, that's true.
The year of the apology.

Speaker 20 Let's do some guys on chicks.

Speaker 36 Let's finish up.

Speaker 46 Okay, this is from an old friend. My ex-boyfriend's wife of 50 years just passed away.
How long should I wait before I send him a Facebook message?

Speaker 23 You get right on that, Jilly. From Jilly.
Jilly, you slide in those DMs

Speaker 38 yesterday.

Speaker 38 Show up to the funeral.

Speaker 18 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 38 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Show up to the funeral. You know, red dress.

Speaker 23 I was going to say a black dress, but

Speaker 23 the one that is.

Speaker 30 Yeah, the low-cut black dress, Jilly.

Speaker 31 You got this.

Speaker 23 It's going to be the summer of Jilly this winter.

Speaker 46 What's up, guys? Totally serious question. I'm the only woman in my office, and I noticed my coworkers have an odd fascination with penises.
Why do men talk about dicks so much?

Speaker 46 Why is that the main content of jokes? Is this normal among all men, or

Speaker 38 should I also make dick jokes?

Speaker 18 Okay.

Speaker 18 Well,

Speaker 18 so

Speaker 30 you should

Speaker 39 test the waters.

Speaker 27 I would say don't just jump right in with the dick jokes. It might be off-putting.

Speaker 8 Because it's more like our

Speaker 28 listen, a penis is a very funny thing.

Speaker 31 It's ridiculous.

Speaker 32 It's just something hanging off of us.

Speaker 6 So we make jokes about it because it's stupid and everyone's got one.

Speaker 21 And it's like a way for guys to bond.

Speaker 4 Like, you got a dick, I got a dick.

Speaker 18 Ha ha ha ha.

Speaker 11 So if you hop in, yes, it can be done, but just be careful.

Speaker 23 Yeah, I would say don't make any jokes about our International Men's Day. That's That's our day.
Correct. Where we want to feel safe and secure in talking about our penises in the workplace.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 47 you can be like, you can say like, suck my dick about your own

Speaker 11 fake penis.

Speaker 23 Yeah, when a woman says, suck my dick,

Speaker 23 that actually commands respect.

Speaker 1 Correct. But don't say, hey,

Speaker 2 Bill, your dick is really small.

Speaker 16 No, just that hurts our feelings.

Speaker 46 No, yeah, just call everyone Lil Dick.

Speaker 18 No, no, don't do that.

Speaker 18 Because

Speaker 23 if you call everyone Lil Dick, the guy that has a a little dick is going to get upset about it.

Speaker 18 He's going to lash out.

Speaker 23 A hit dog will holler, as they say.

Speaker 31 Yeah, to just say everyone's got a monster cock.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's the way to get everyone to get it.

Speaker 23 That's a good way to ingratiate yourself.

Speaker 30 Like, hey, hey, what's up, Joe?

Speaker 1 How's it hanging?

Speaker 18 Probably pretty long.

Speaker 6 That's a good joke.

Speaker 23 Hey, Bobby, I was trying to walk past you in the hallway, but I couldn't because your huge hog would have tripped all over it.

Speaker 1 Hey, Tim, what do you tie that thing off?

Speaker 15 I mean, man, that thing goes all the way down to your knee.

Speaker 30 Like, those jokes are very funny.

Speaker 18 Hey,

Speaker 23 morning, tripod.

Speaker 46 Hi, big cat and crew. So my question is, can you tell your boyfriend he's getting fat without causing serious self-esteem issues?

Speaker 46 My longtime boyfriend has always eaten whatever he wants and not gained weight. He's not a big gym goer, even though I go about five times a week.

Speaker 46 Normally it doesn't bother me, but lately he's been putting on some weight. I've tried to low-key get him to start working out more by saying things like, oh, are you going to the gym today?

Speaker 46 Or, you haven't been to the gym in a while, huh? But it hasn't gotten the point across.

Speaker 46 Basically, if I straight up told him he was getting fat, would he be hurt, or is there a a better way to approach it?

Speaker 23 Yeah, at this point, you have to be, you have to almost sneak it. So you can't say you're getting a little chubby.
You can't subtly suggest that he go to the gym.

Speaker 23 You have to skip straight to lightly poisoning his food or just switching out. sour cream for Greek yogurt and not telling him.

Speaker 23 You know how like when you give your dog medicine and you hide it in peanut butter? Just switch his diet without him knowing.

Speaker 18 Yeah, or

Speaker 34 the easiest way to get him to realize it is there's two things that always work for me.

Speaker 14 One,

Speaker 36 very bad picture of his jowls underneath his neck.

Speaker 7 Two, you can start buying

Speaker 38 his jowls.

Speaker 23 I think that's what it's called. Yeah, I mean, that is exactly what happened.

Speaker 23 That picture with Gronk.

Speaker 23 I saw my chin.

Speaker 6 And then, two is get him some clothes that are not,

Speaker 6 that are like really small and be like, here, I got you this great sweatshirt.

Speaker 11 And then when he puts it on, he'll feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 44 And then when he doesn't wear it, because there's nothing worse than wearing something that doesn't fit, you can be like, why don't you wear that sweatshirt I bought you?

Speaker 11 And that's like a hint, hint, you're fat.

Speaker 23 Yeah. Or you could just take all his clothes and wash them in cold water.
Is that the one that makes the laundry strong?

Speaker 18 I don't know. I don't.

Speaker 23 I think it's wash all his clothes in the water. I just wash all my clothes in cold water.
I just don't wash them.

Speaker 32 Because I'm scared of them running together.

Speaker 23 I just get new jumpsuits. Yeah.

Speaker 46 Boys.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 46 My boyfriend cups the bottom of my tits when I have no bra on and says, I'm supporting you.

Speaker 18 That's funny.

Speaker 38 How do I tell him to stop?

Speaker 46 I tried explaining to him how bras work, but apparently this isn't enough.

Speaker 23 What do you mean how bras work? That's what it is. Like a bra just basically

Speaker 23 fills you up all day.

Speaker 31 He's supporting you.

Speaker 14 Is that not how it works?

Speaker 23 It touches your nipple and makes it uncomfortable when you don't want to have your nipple touch. That's what bras do.

Speaker 36 I'm confused.

Speaker 29 What do bras do besides

Speaker 18 a nipple?

Speaker 6 Thing that a hand could.

Speaker 23 But that's a pasty could do that, Hank. Write back to us next week and tell us why this is wrong because we don't understand i think what bras do is they they keep the breasts from eventually sagging

Speaker 23 so it's like a preventative long-term thing might might help with your back too i think that's what it is

Speaker 23 it's a back thing yeah so yeah what's the big deal

Speaker 46 hey big cat pft and hank i want your opinion on something i have a friend parentheses no i actually do i'm not talking about myself yeah okay who puts her fuck buddy they're not dating before all of us in her friend group.

Speaker 46 He's made an effort to be nice to us lately when he comes to visit her, but I still believe he's a snake in the grass, even referring to her as his friend to me.

Speaker 46 I've kind of given up on our friendship because all she does is talk about him. Do you think there's any way to salvage things with her, or am I going to have to wait until he kicks her to the curb?

Speaker 23 So I think what you're describing is your friend has a boyfriend.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 23 That's what it sounds like. Fuck buddy, though.
That's our issue. Is that it's a fine line between a fuck buddy and a boyfriend.

Speaker 25 Listen, and this is going to happen.

Speaker 2 As you get older, people get, you know, they link up and then it's over.

Speaker 21 The friendships are changed forever.

Speaker 18 So, yeah,

Speaker 15 unless you want to maybe cuck her, I think it's over.

Speaker 23 Yeah, you can sleep with him. That would make sure that he just stayed a fuck buddy.

Speaker 44 Well, if you slept with him, too, you might be able to see her more often.

Speaker 19 Yeah?

Speaker 11 Good point.

Speaker 18 You know, you hang out in his bedroom.

Speaker 23 Do you remember back in

Speaker 23 middle school, maybe early high school, when a friend that had been married? You were totally having sex? No, definitely not then.

Speaker 23 When you had a friend that became the first girlfriend friend that you had, that's exactly the emotions that we were describing.

Speaker 23 You're just your friends just haven't had boyfriends in the last like 10, 15 years.

Speaker 44 Are you 14?

Speaker 44 Is the person 14?

Speaker 23 That's what it sounds like.

Speaker 38 Yeah, so, okay.

Speaker 46 All right, last one. Hey, guys, so my boyfriend for over a year broke up with me on Saturday and blocked me on everything.
It was pretty sudden breakup.

Speaker 46 I've been so hurt and I don't know how to pull myself out of this. Outside of destruction of property, how can I pass this?

Speaker 39 how can i move past this blocking on twitter this girl sounds like a monster he boscoed you she's already thinking about destruction of property yeah i mean maybe he just doesn't want to see your takes anymore

Speaker 38 it's actually i think that the full block on social media for everything is a healthy way to move on yeah because If you break up with someone, you're going to go creeping on their stuff and looking and be like, hope they're not doing well.

Speaker 44 So to go clean slate, I'm just going to remove everything.

Speaker 28 I think that's the healthy way to deal with the breakup in 2019.

Speaker 23 I would be offended if I was dumped. I'd be fine if the person in question unfollowed me on Instagram, on any

Speaker 23 Snapchat, all that stuff. Just don't block me on Twitter.

Speaker 38 Yeah. It's like, what?

Speaker 23 My tweets aren't gold anymore. Like, I need this clout.
I need that. You can always, you know what the worst part about this is?

Speaker 23 He was probably counting on you for a like on all his tweets. You know, you need to have your friend step in there and give him a little bit of positive feedback.

Speaker 23 It's his loss that he's not getting those favorites anymore.

Speaker 39 Now, with all that said, you should definitely slash his tires.

Speaker 38 Of course.

Speaker 40 Yeah, have to. At least slash one tire.

Speaker 44 Just one.

Speaker 19 That's actually more inconvenient than four.

Speaker 23 I would fuck his brother. I would fuck one sibling or friend of his until he unblocks you on every aspect of social media.
Smash his Xbox.

Speaker 18 That's it.

Speaker 9 Save him credit.

Speaker 23 Love you guys.

Speaker 23 I close

Speaker 23 my

Speaker 23 eyes

Speaker 23 only for a moment, and the moment's gone.

Speaker 23 All

Speaker 23 my

Speaker 23 dreams

Speaker 23 are fit for wise and curiosity.

Speaker 23 home we are just a green

Speaker 23 on

Speaker 23 song

Speaker 23 Just a drop of water in a landless sea

Speaker 23 Oh

Speaker 23 we

Speaker 23 do

Speaker 23 crumble to the ground the we're refused to street

Speaker 23 on me.

Speaker 23 Love the

Speaker 23 dead.